| 00:07.47 | lcuk | ok, so i have a gtk window, it has a drawingarea on it, its kinda correctly refreshing in the frame, BUT, it is drawing itself, then gtk is drawing as well |
| 00:08.19 | lcuk | how do i block refresh of the gtk drawingarea thing? make it completely ignorant of the gtk actions |
| 00:08.58 | AStorm | uhm? |
| 00:09.13 | AStorm | you are supposed to handle the expose event |
| 00:09.33 | AStorm | blit to the window in it |
| 00:10.43 | lcuk | no can do, like opengl, its a different layer |
| 00:11.01 | AStorm | hmm |
| 00:11.07 | AStorm | then handle it blank |
| 00:11.13 | AStorm | or just block the event |
| 00:11.57 | AStorm | actually, you could handle it anyway |
| 00:11.57 | AStorm | redrawing nothing, only changing the overlay shape |
| 00:13.34 | AStorm | handle it returning True |
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| 00:13.56 | AStorm | (sorry, talking pygtk, but it's the same in normal gtk) |
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| 00:39.02 | lcuk | ok, now im really confused |
| 00:39.22 | lcuk | the xv overlay is infact being ummm overlayed by gtk still |
| 00:43.19 | nomis | lcuk: xv "overlay" works by a key color. At least on a regular desktop X11. |
| 00:43.38 | lcuk | o.O |
| 00:43.52 | lcuk | but it shows if i draw outside of the expose event |
| 00:44.09 | lcuk | if i do it in the expose event of the drawing_area it doesnt show at all |
| 00:44.13 | AStorm | because it's an overlay! |
| 00:44.33 | AStorm | you're supposed to redraw the key color in expose event |
| 00:44.34 | lcuk | yeah AStorm agreed, then why is gtk drawing over part of it |
| 00:44.52 | lcuk | the 2 areas are both the same color |
| 00:44.55 | lcuk | white |
| 00:45.27 | lcuk | i think the overlay part is not as we expect from desktop |
| 00:45.39 | lcuk | nomis, i would expect what you said if it was a hardware overlay |
| 00:46.26 | lcuk | i think its just the order things occur in, the LCD just blits rectangles over the top of each other with no specific hardware overlay - thats just a software abstraction within omapfb |
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| 00:46.28 | nomis | lcuk: quite possible. I have no real clue how it is implemented on the Devices. |
| 00:46.45 | lcuk | yeah me neither, im not even sure i need to get head too far into this at this point |
| 00:46.54 | lcuk | its beyond what i was thinking about earlier this morning |
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| 00:58.40 | pupnik_ | As the sun set, I drank a guinness and looked at the stream. http://pupnik.de/IndigoStream01.jpg |
| 01:05.41 | Grackle | That looks awesome. |
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| 01:08.04 | b-man | i tryed to make my ubuntu anouncment over at #ubuntu - way too crazy over there. :p |
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| 01:10.29 | pupnik_ | thanks Grackle |
| 01:10.36 | b-man | e.g. 5 posts per second - i got buried |
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| 01:29.14 | lcuk | oooooooooooooh it works if i just have a window and a drawing_area |
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| 02:08.32 | lcuk | how in holy hell do i make gtk listen to and let me know about strange events |
| 02:31.03 | alterego | What kind of strange events? |
| 02:31.27 | alterego | Basically you add event masks to the widget you're connecting the signal handler to. |
| 02:34.14 | lcuk | alterego, there is a ShmCompletionEvent which is sent to x11 when the data has been sent all the way to the lcd. if i touch the data before this point it tears. in native x11 i can see it, in gtk i have no way of seeing it |
| 02:35.33 | lcuk | i can listen for things like "realize" "expose_event" but there doesnt seem to be a catchall for the events outside of GTKs knowledge |
| 02:39.26 | alterego | You'll have to go straight to X11 via GDK then I'd imagine. |
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| 02:45.47 | derf | lcuk: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Windows.html#gdk-window-add-filter |
| 02:46.35 | alterego | Yes, remember that Gtk actually uses Shm Completion Event too I believe. |
| 02:46.36 | lcuk | :D thanks derf |
| 02:46.56 | lcuk | i only wanna listen for it, not doing anything |
| 02:47.42 | alterego | Fair nuff |
| 02:48.08 | lcuk | anything drastic* |
| 02:48.29 | alterego | ;) |
| 02:49.37 | derf | Note that you may also need to call gdk_x11_register_standard_event_type() |
| 02:50.14 | derf | E.g., gdk_x11_register_standard_event_type(display, XShmGetEventBase(display), ShmNumberEvents); |
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| 02:54.37 | lcuk | heh, this is taking much longer than i had considered :) |
| 02:55.18 | lcuk | i was on such a roll today, built libliqbase, made a load of tests actually seem to have it running without the house crashing down. expanded to see if i could pass in an existing window.. |
| 02:57.23 | pupnik_ | good job lcuk |
| 02:58.05 | robink | My BeagleBoard came |
| 02:59.22 | Grackle | whee |
| 02:59.36 | nomis | robink: which revision? |
| 02:59.48 | nomis | (are they shipping rev. C1 yet?) |
| 03:03.13 | pupnik_ | cold the air up there |
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| 03:26.49 | robink | nomis: B7? |
| 03:26.52 | robink | nomis: I'm not sure. |
| 03:29.06 | robink | nomis: The C1 isn't out until March |
| 03:29.14 | robink | ...and my board is indeed a B7. |
| 03:33.01 | AStorm | lcuk, so, you ended up writing a widget from scratch? :) |
| 03:33.18 | AStorm | maybe I'm on a roll today too, let's see |
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| 03:39.05 | lcuk | AStorm, i wrote my own widget way back when. |
| 03:39.38 | AStorm | when you ditched the DrawingArea :P |
| 03:39.39 | lcuk | it is what currently powers liqbase, the library I have put together today is the simple dumb render tool: sdl/pygame level |
| 03:39.50 | AStorm | ah |
| 03:39.56 | AStorm | not gtk then? |
| 03:40.08 | lcuk | when I first started drawing onto the xv YUV surface I could not use GTK... |
| 03:40.17 | AStorm | you could |
| 03:40.27 | AStorm | with gtk.gdk.Window |
| 03:40.40 | AStorm | (that is, lower level than gtk proper) |
| 03:41.15 | AStorm | anyway, good job if sdl works fine |
| 03:41.24 | lcuk | the canvas i draw on is similar in regard to mplayer |
| 03:41.57 | AStorm | btw, is xv really faster than usual X? |
| 03:42.07 | lcuk | you have seen liqbase :) |
| 03:42.13 | AStorm | (seeing as it's not hardware accelerated) |
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| 03:42.30 | lcuk | but gtk is decellerated, and yes actually, it is |
| 03:42.42 | AStorm | mhm |
| 03:42.57 | AStorm | weird then that I geet nice and low cpu usage out of it |
| 03:43.13 | AStorm | maybe it's because I do double buffering myself |
| 03:43.19 | lcuk | the xv mode is not the same as the x11 mode uses and talks directly with the omap |
| 03:43.31 | AStorm | hm. |
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| 03:43.49 | zakkm | anyone try the new Nitdroid yet? |
| 03:45.41 | AStorm | lcuk, hmm, I need a good hash over multiple numbers |
| 03:46.07 | AStorm | fast and with low collision probability |
| 03:46.08 | AStorm | not necessarily cryptographically secure |
| 03:46.23 | AStorm | 32-bit |
| 03:46.23 | zakkm | md5 512 ;p |
| 03:46.25 | lcuk | mmm? lots of numbers? strings? |
| 03:46.39 | AStorm | no, few numbers |
| 03:46.54 | AStorm | like, 3 to 6 |
| 03:46.56 | lcuk | build a tree |
| 03:47.01 | AStorm | no |
| 03:47.05 | lcuk | or just search |
| 03:47.10 | AStorm | *no* |
| 03:47.25 | AStorm | I mean, the input to the hash would be 3 to 6 numbers |
| 03:47.28 | lcuk | then just sum them |
| 03:47.32 | AStorm | the objects hashed will be many |
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| 03:47.37 | AStorm | no, sum will collide |
| 03:47.39 | zakkm | irssi bolds *'s ;p |
| 03:47.51 | AStorm | zakkm, yes :P |
| 03:47.53 | lcuk | often? |
| 03:48.01 | AStorm | often enough |
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| 03:48.25 | zakkm | i hate gentoo, taking ages to compile gnome |
| 03:48.35 | AStorm | who needs gnome? |
| 03:48.39 | zakkm | i do? |
| 03:48.46 | AStorm | also, there are tricks to speed it up |
| 03:48.53 | zakkm | im aware, ive done them all |
| 03:48.58 | AStorm | like, try a better filesystem for /var/tmp |
| 03:49.01 | zakkm | yup |
| 03:49.03 | zakkm | ram :) |
| 03:49.05 | AStorm | (e.g. tmpfs) |
| 03:49.08 | zakkm | ive done that |
| 03:49.12 | zakkm | gave it 20% = 2gb |
| 03:49.15 | zakkm | 50%** |
| 03:49.17 | AStorm | distcc |
| 03:49.22 | zakkm | i dont have other pcs |
| 03:49.24 | AStorm | parallel make |
| 03:49.32 | zakkm | makeopts is -j3 |
| 03:49.40 | AStorm | and not going over your head with flags |
| 03:49.44 | zakkm | xd |
| 03:49.56 | zakkm | i dont know so far im at like 3 hr 30min? |
| 03:50.00 | zakkm | just gnome packages |
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| 03:50.12 | AStorm | full gnome? what's the machine? |
| 03:50.15 | zakkm | im guessing another 15min? |
| 03:50.32 | zakkm | yes full gnome .. 2.24.2? .. pentinum E2180 2ghz, 4gb ddr2 ram |
| 03:50.42 | AStorm | lcuk, so, I need 2 hashes: one would be 65b -> 32b |
| 03:50.45 | zakkm | march=nocona :) |
| 03:51.06 | AStorm | another 130b -> 32b |
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| 03:51.18 | AStorm | zakkm, I take it you're running core2? |
| 03:51.25 | lcuk | no, you need a decent folding function |
| 03:51.26 | AStorm | and read the wrong wiki |
| 03:51.40 | AStorm | lcuk, yes, compression function = hash |
| 03:51.41 | zakkm | AStorm: ... not core 2.. but it follows same march |
| 03:51.47 | AStorm | pentium4 |
| 03:51.49 | AStorm | mhm |
| 03:51.51 | zakkm | no |
| 03:51.52 | zakkm | pentinum E |
| 03:51.59 | zakkm | pentinum dual core ... |
| 03:52.10 | AStorm | hmm, the laptop one? |
| 03:52.25 | zakkm | no. |
| 03:52.33 | zakkm | your really bad at knowing cpus ;p |
| 03:52.35 | AStorm | weird cpu |
| 03:52.46 | zakkm | It goes Celeron E, Pentinum E, then Core 2 E |
| 03:52.51 | zakkm | and then quad Core which is Q |
| 03:52.51 | AStorm | gimme /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 03:53.21 | zakkm | permission denied? |
| 03:53.24 | AStorm | as that Pentium might be like Pentium3 not 4 (which is nocona) |
| 03:53.31 | AStorm | zakkm, root? |
| 03:53.32 | zakkm | nooo lol |
| 03:53.34 | zakkm | yes root |
| 03:53.39 | zakkm | im noot that dumb lol |
| 03:53.45 | zakkm | its not pentinum 3 lol |
| 03:53.49 | zakkm | okay listen |
| 03:53.53 | zakkm | its after Pentinum D |
| 03:54.04 | lcuk | int32 hash = fold_from64(a[0],fold_from64(a[1],a[2])); |
| 03:54.05 | zakkm | it goes pentinum D.. .Pentinum E ... then Core2E |
| 03:54.51 | AStorm | lcuk, from 65 |
| 03:54.51 | zakkm | i wouldnt pay $72 for a pentinum 3 lol |
| 03:54.57 | AStorm | whatever |
| 03:55.06 | AStorm | the architecture is what matters |
| 03:55.07 | zakkm | lets go with a weak core 2 duo |
| 03:55.16 | AStorm | and I reckon it's not nocona |
| 03:55.21 | zakkm | same arch, weaker clock |
| 03:55.25 | AStorm | which is explicitly Pentium 4 |
| 03:55.26 | TrueJournals | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Dual-Core |
| 03:55.26 | zakkm | omg it is |
| 03:55.31 | zakkm | Astorm: onesec |
| 03:56.13 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.17 | zakkm | see XD |
| 03:56.30 | AStorm | ok |
| 03:56.31 | zakkm | it follows nocona |
| 03:56.40 | AStorm | it's *not* nocona |
| 03:56.54 | AStorm | it has no relation to Pentium4 |
| 03:56.55 | zakkm | yes it is |
| 03:57.00 | zakkm | -.- |
| 03:57.05 | AStorm | use march=core2 or mtune=generic |
| 03:57.08 | zakkm | no |
| 03:57.10 | zakkm | i cant use core2 |
| 03:57.13 | zakkm | core 2's can |
| 03:57.14 | AStorm | you can |
| 03:57.22 | AStorm | with -mno-sse4 |
| 03:57.25 | AStorm | or such |
| 03:57.33 | zakkm | dont even have gcc 4.3 |
| 03:57.43 | zakkm | i know nocona is right |
| 03:58.00 | AStorm | it's wrong |
| 03:58.05 | AStorm | benchmark first |
| 03:58.08 | zakkm | hows it wrong |
| 03:58.10 | zakkm | tell me |
| 03:58.21 | AStorm | because the cpu timings are all off |
| 03:58.30 | zakkm | cpu timings? |
| 03:58.46 | zakkm | its right lol |
| 03:58.54 | AStorm | no, it's frigginnot |
| 03:58.59 | AStorm | I checked the gcc code |
| 03:59.04 | AStorm | I benchmarked it |
| 03:59.14 | zakkm | lol |
| 03:59.49 | AStorm | it avoids certain instructions which were slow on P4 |
| 03:59.49 | AStorm | and optimizes for a deep pipeline |
| 03:59.49 | AStorm | which core doesn't have |
| 03:59.49 | zakkm | its no ta penintum 4 |
| 03:59.50 | zakkm | is ti? |
| 04:00.06 | AStorm | and this pentium dual core is core 2 with less cache |
| 04:00.08 | AStorm | :P |
| 04:00.32 | zakkm | its not a pentiunm 4 dual core |
| 04:00.36 | zakkm | its a pentiunm dual core |
| 04:00.47 | AStorm | ... |
| 04:00.53 | AStorm | and nocona is pentium 4 |
| 04:01.05 | AStorm | your's is either core duo or core 2 duo |
| 04:01.15 | AStorm | (no matter the brand) |
| 04:01.53 | zakkm | so your telling me is hould use =core2? |
| 04:02.02 | AStorm | yes, if available |
| 04:02.16 | AStorm | maybe =core if there's one (there's not in 4.3) |
| 04:02.52 | AStorm | it's probably Allendale, so that'd be core2 |
| 04:03.27 | zakkm | your a gentoo user? |
| 04:03.39 | AStorm | yes |
| 04:03.50 | zakkm | cool gnome just finished :) |
| 04:03.58 | alterego | shudders |
| 04:04.00 | AStorm | and I tested march nocona to hell on my core2 |
| 04:04.08 | zakkm | lol |
| 04:04.31 | alterego | goes to bed |
| 04:04.31 | zakkm | core2 is significantly better? |
| 04:04.31 | AStorm | and found it slower in apps |
| 04:04.31 | AStorm | it is |
| 04:04.31 | AStorm | even pentium3 is |
| 04:04.31 | AStorm | :) |
| 04:04.38 | AStorm | no march is better |
| 04:04.41 | zakkm | may i pm you the emerge info? |
| 04:04.44 | AStorm | sure |
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| 04:58.42 | AStorm | I guess I'll just go with CRC-32 or such |
| 05:00.19 | AStorm | hmm, no |
| 05:01.05 | AStorm | a hash function that has strong clustering would be better in my case |
| 05:02.47 | johnx | mornin' |
| 05:02.51 | AStorm | hmmmh |
| 05:03.24 | AStorm | nah, for similarity to work in my case, I'd need many more bits :/ |
| 05:03.56 | johnx | I can provide some extra bits: 010101 |
| 05:04.08 | Proteous | heh |
| 05:04.21 | zakkm | finally glibc finished ;p |
| 05:45.09 | johnnyjohnjohn | good evening |
| 05:45.26 | johnx | hi johnnyjohnjohn |
| 05:45.45 | johnnyjohnjohn | hey johnx |
| 05:46.23 | johnnyjohnjohn | question for you: know of any apps for maemo so I can browse my apps like an iphone? |
| 05:46.42 | johnnyjohnjohn | or a way of rearranging the interface |
| 05:46.50 | johnnyjohnjohn | I can't find any examples anywhere |
| 05:47.07 | johnx | itablet, and personal launcher |
| 05:47.12 | johnnyjohnjohn | and I wouldn't know where to begin with discecting ubuntu mobile |
| 05:48.49 | johnnyjohnjohn | awesome thanks |
| 05:48.49 | johnx | do you have experience with theming for other things? |
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| 05:49.02 | johnnyjohnjohn | only for the web |
| 05:49.09 | johnnyjohnjohn | I did some linux stuff |
| 05:49.21 | johnnyjohnjohn | but it was coded and cut by someone else |
| 05:49.33 | johnx | I can't picture re-arranging the panels being much more difficult than hacking css layouts |
| 05:49.45 | johnx | just...time consuming to get started |
| 05:49.53 | johnnyjohnjohn | you can look up my work via my name on gnome-look |
| 05:49.55 | johnnyjohnjohn | openartist |
| 05:50.23 | johnnyjohnjohn | I did the logo for Lighttpd |
| 05:50.27 | johnnyjohnjohn | :) |
| 05:50.56 | johnx | ah, love the style |
| 05:51.08 | johnx | I would love a really simple flat theme for maemo |
| 05:51.22 | johnnyjohnjohn | I'm working on a mobile interface project which is why I'm on IRC |
| 05:51.46 | johnnyjohnjohn | yeah, I'm trying to make a cross-platform theme |
| 05:51.51 | johnnyjohnjohn | for the desktop and mobile devices |
| 05:52.02 | johnx | aaah...dunno how much you'll be able to reuse |
| 05:52.07 | johnnyjohnjohn | a sort of standard theme across linux and open devices |
| 05:52.34 | johnx | you could some art I guess |
| 05:52.55 | johnnyjohnjohn | do you think there would be any volunteers out there to help make a theme? |
| 05:53.13 | johnnyjohnjohn | If I did the layouts and designs? |
| 05:53.45 | johnx | hmm |
| 05:54.09 | johnnyjohnjohn | I mean, as soon as I launch the project I'm sure to find some volunteers |
| 05:54.19 | johnnyjohnjohn | I'm pretty confident about it |
| 05:54.35 | johnx | theming on the tablet is pretty intensive in terms of artwork |
| 05:54.53 | johnx | lots of things that are done programatically on desktop linux are actually pictures in maemo |
| 05:55.00 | johnnyjohnjohn | well, it's actually as intensive as a large web project |
| 05:55.17 | johnx | a fair comparison I think :) |
| 05:55.26 | johnx | have you looked at theme-maker? |
| 05:55.30 | johnnyjohnjohn | not yet |
| 05:55.35 | johnx | it has a template |
| 05:55.42 | johnx | but that's for the normal layout |
| 05:56.17 | johnx | I've never known anyone who made an alternative layout except the ubuntu mobile guys |
| 05:57.04 | johnx | so basically, you want to kill off the left bar and have a desktop full of app launchers, like the iphone, right? |
| 05:57.26 | johnnyjohnjohn | yeah, well that, and have "multiple views" |
| 05:57.47 | johnnyjohnjohn | so that the desktop interface can be a number of different styles |
| 05:58.03 | johnnyjohnjohn | and transition animations are configurable |
| 05:58.21 | johnx | "different styles" as in different layouts for the panels? |
| 05:58.29 | johnnyjohnjohn | yeah, perhaps |
| 05:58.31 | johnx | cause that's getting pretty ambitious |
| 05:58.36 | johnnyjohnjohn | or for instance |
| 05:58.57 | johnnyjohnjohn | having a "list" menu style like a zune or the ipod |
| 05:59.11 | johnnyjohnjohn | with different kinds of scrolling |
| 05:59.14 | johnnyjohnjohn | through icons |
| 05:59.18 | johnnyjohnjohn | or just names |
| 05:59.20 | johnx | ok, now you're talking about coding a whole new launcher :P |
| 05:59.36 | johnx | hmm...or co-opting someone else's :D |
| 06:00.06 | johnx | yeah, I think you could get people interested |
| 06:00.35 | johnx | IMHO, you should put together a really rough, quick layout, and post on internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 06:00.49 | johnnyjohnjohn | cool |
| 06:01.15 | johnx | you certainly have me interested as I'm looking for a 640x480 maemo layout for my own ends :D |
| 06:01.24 | pupnik_ | i saw a complete uatx motherboard with atom cpu (missing RAM) for about 70 euro today |
| 06:01.37 | johnnyjohnjohn | oh cool |
| 06:01.45 | pupnik_ | dual atom-cpu @ 1.6ghz |
| 06:02.08 | pupnik_ | that would replace a desktop box for me in some ways |
| 06:02.16 | johnnyjohnjohn | well my whole concept is to really create an optimal interface for mobile and desktop environments |
| 06:02.17 | johnx | pupnik_, pretty nice deal. I think I've seen them just as cheap on newegg.com but good deal for people in Europe |
| 06:02.41 | johnx | johnnyjohnjohn, do you have a tablet? |
| 06:02.47 | johnnyjohnjohn | and I've been involved with the nuigroup.org project |
| 06:02.53 | johnnyjohnjohn | just a maemo |
| 06:02.57 | johnnyjohnjohn | but I use a waco |
| 06:03.04 | johnnyjohnjohn | wacom pen tablet :) |
| 06:03.16 | johnx | err...sorry, meant internet tablet in this case. n800? n810? |
| 06:03.40 | johnnyjohnjohn | n900 |
| 06:03.58 | johnnyjohnjohn | haven't used it much though |
| 06:04.04 | johnx | n900? |
| 06:04.08 | johnnyjohnjohn | yeah |
| 06:04.12 | johnx | the one coming out in june 2009 :) |
| 06:04.20 | johnnyjohnjohn | oh wait |
| 06:04.23 | johnnyjohnjohn | sorry |
| 06:04.50 | johnx | broke into Nokia and grabbed one of their prototypes? :D |
| 06:04.50 | johnx | now *that* would get people's attention on iTT :D |
| 06:05.17 | johnnyjohnjohn | n810 |
| 06:05.20 | johnnyjohnjohn | that's what it is |
| 06:05.51 | lcuk | johnnyjohnjohn, :) have you seen my work? |
| 06:05.56 | johnnyjohnjohn | no |
| 06:06.00 | johnnyjohnjohn | what is it? |
| 06:06.06 | johnx | lcuk, just who I was expecting to be interested :D |
| 06:06.24 | johnx | I should figure out some layout stuff then ... |
| 06:06.59 | johnnyjohnjohn | do you have a link? |
| 06:07.05 | lcuk | start here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ (and vote me up while you are there :P), my homepage is liqbase.net, and then to top it off for tonight, my app launcher |
| 06:07.16 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254048 |
| 06:07.35 | johnx | ahaha...what a wonderful timing coincidence :) |
| 06:08.44 | lcuk | im up *really* late tonight :S |
| 06:09.08 | johnx | jeez, no kidding. I didn't expect to see you for another ~4-5 hours |
| 06:09.33 | johnnyjohnjohn | it would be awesome if you could make your doodles hyperlinks |
| 06:10.00 | lcuk | johnnyjohnjohn, :) wouldnt it just |
| 06:10.25 | johnnyjohnjohn | I mean, I'd be into it |
| 06:10.27 | lcuk | johnx, got a lot straight in my mind tonight |
| 06:10.47 | johnnyjohnjohn | oh yeah |
| 06:10.59 | johnnyjohnjohn | and trigger sound files and movies |
| 06:11.04 | johnx | lcuk, good good. :) and looks like I have my next task to solve: panel layouts :$ |
| 06:11.16 | lcuk | johnnyjohnjohn, every single box in the ui can technically house a sketch |
| 06:11.42 | lcuk | every single sketch can contain multiple sketches |
| 06:13.12 | lcuk | anyway, bedtime |
| 06:13.24 | johnx | 'night lcuk :) |
| 06:13.38 | lcuk | johnnyjohnjohn, my mail address is clearly visible pretty much everywhere liqbase related, send me a mail |
| 06:14.24 | johnnyjohnjohn | cool |
| 06:14.28 | johnnyjohnjohn | have a good night |
| 06:14.29 | johnnyjohnjohn | :) |
| 06:16.57 | johnx | so, yes, definitely post a sample layout to itt forums, and I'll see if I can figure out the layout...but *no promises* |
| 06:18.15 | johnx | hmm, also can you picture your theme working ok rotated 90 degrees? as in 480x800? or 480x640? |
| 06:21.51 | pupnik_ | also nice |
| 06:22.05 | pupnik_ | a notebook hard drive consisting of 6 full-size SD slots |
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| 06:22.43 | johnx | yeah, seen those in a couple places. and I always liked the IDE->CF converters |
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| 06:56.45 | pupnik_ | yeah johnx |
| 06:57.32 | pupnik_ | btw i may seriously consider putting up a 'Hall of Shame' for apps that create their own repository / App-Mgr categories |
| 06:57.58 | johnx | you mean a nice list so people can add those repos and break their n8x0? |
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| 06:58.00 | johnx | :D |
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| 07:09.44 | johnx | hey rm_you| :) |
| 07:11.06 | rm_you| | bbl |
| 07:11.10 | rm_you| | heading to beths |
| 07:11.11 | rm_you| | >_> |
| 07:11.15 | johnx | grrr :P |
| 07:11.18 | rm_you| | i'll eat some hashbrowns for you |
| 07:11.21 | rm_you| | <_< |
| 07:11.30 | rm_you| | bbl |
| 07:11.35 | johnx | 'later |
| 07:11.36 | johnx | enjoy |
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| 07:20.53 | tlkg | anyone use irreco to connect to a linux box with the telnet backend? |
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| 07:49.01 | pupnik_ | johnx: in app manager - show installable applications - look at all the categories containing only one program |
| 07:49.31 | pupnik_ | that is an *embarassment* |
| 07:50.16 | qwerty12 | Like this: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/newappmgrcatergories.png? :D |
| 07:50.20 | johnx | pupnik_, push Nokia to get a new SSU out with GA's fixed catagories |
| 07:50.52 | johnx | 99% of the apps would be in Other right now :) |
| 07:50.56 | johnx | anyways, off into the world |
| 07:53.19 | pupnik_ | cheers johnx |
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| 09:43.59 | pupnik_ | what is a g1 |
| 09:44.20 | qwerty12 | pupnik_, http://www.t-mobileg1.com/ |
| 09:48.05 | pupnik_ | ah |
| 09:48.12 | pupnik_ | looks almost not sucky |
| 09:48.22 | pupnik_ | - no std headphone jack |
| 09:48.35 | pupnik_ | - 320x480 display |
| 09:49.17 | Vulcanis | thats IT?! |
| 09:49.32 | Vulcanis | 320x480 seems absurd |
| 09:49.35 | pupnik_ | + kbd looks usable |
| 09:50.14 | pupnik_ | iirc, iphone uses 320x480 and is very popular |
| 09:52.17 | qwerty12 | Hah, http://i37.tinypic.com/2vj2bk4.jpg |
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| 10:02.15 | MaceN800 | ok.. that was strange |
| 10:02.35 | MaceN800 | n800 batt went from 80% to low |
| 10:03.00 | Vulcanis | [04:50:15] <pupnik_> iirc, iphone uses 320x480 and is very popular -- its also disgusting |
| 10:03.15 | Vulcanis | qwerty12: My favorite was a vista error |
| 10:03.25 | Vulcanis | that told me the windows error reporting service had stopped |
| 10:03.30 | Vulcanis | er |
| 10:03.32 | Vulcanis | crashed |
| 10:03.47 | qwerty12 | Ha |
| 10:03.55 | MaceN800 | haha |
| 10:03.59 | qwerty12 | I like keeping it disabled anyway :P |
| 10:04.40 | MaceN800 | ugh... need my bbt kb |
| 10:04.43 | MaceN800 | bt |
| 10:05.06 | MaceN800 | wish i got an n810 insteaad of the n800 |
| 10:06.15 | MaceN800 | that's better |
| 10:06.15 | MaceN800 | i wonder if i coudl map the menu button on this thing |
| 10:06.26 | MaceN800 | you woudl figre an n800 would have support for a su8w |
| 10:07.15 | Jaffa | Mornin' |
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| 10:15.54 | keesj | hi ppl |
| 10:17.05 | qwerty12 | hi keesj |
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| 10:18.06 | keesj | been using n800 for real the last two weeks |
| 10:19.00 | keesj | used liqbase a lot and canola. really missed the gps |
| 10:19.29 | keesj | but my n810's touchscreen was killed by kids |
| 10:20.11 | qwerty12 | I'm surprised my N800's touchscreen hasn't died yet :P |
| 10:20.47 | keesj | the 770 screen where bad but the n800 and 810 are much better. |
| 10:21.29 | qwerty12 | Looking at the amount of WSOD's with 770, I think 770 was a disaster imo. Except for being able to play videos better :) |
| 10:21.35 | keesj | but specialy with liqbase you see sensditivity problems around the borders of the screen |
| 10:22.17 | keesj | the 770 plastics and raw design are what I really like |
| 10:24.12 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: do you know what is gonna happen if i copy /etc/osso-af-init from maemo to Mer? |
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| 10:27.38 | MaceN800 | hm |
| 10:28.08 | x29a | hey, anybody keen to help me set up my external sd card for booting? im following the wiki but i dont understand what the 480MB vfat partition is for, and the cloning script writes stuff to the second partition, so of course my initfs cant find anything to boot from |
| 10:28.54 | Meiz_n810 | x29a: search for "console-tools" at internettablettalk.com |
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| 10:30.57 | MaceN800 | there... that should do it |
| 10:34.34 | MaceN800 | gftp seems much better |
| 10:35.06 | MaceN800 | although im only getting 350K/s over wifi |
| 10:35.24 | MaceN800 | that might be n800 sftp overhead tho |
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| 10:44.38 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: not sure its such a good idea :P |
| 10:45.43 | Meizirkki | i just tried it, some errors, nothing else happened |
| 10:46.22 | qwerty12 | xscreensaver is brilliant on the n800, I just need to fix the settings window to show everything |
| 10:46.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it is very cpu intensive |
| 10:47.01 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe, I don't think people will use it to save battery, I'm using it for the effects :) |
| 10:47.05 | Meizirkki | is there any terminal emulator for Mer, that could work h-i-m |
| 10:47.06 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 10:47.33 | Meizirkki | with h-i-m |
| 10:47.45 | qwerty12 | Meizirkki, when I first built roxterm and didn't hildonize it, it supported hildon input method out of the box. In fact, it even said h-i-m in its menu |
| 10:48.24 | Meizirkki | ok, thanks |
| 10:48.34 | qwerty12 | This was in Maemo though |
| 10:48.45 | qwerty12 | goes and has some fun with glade... |
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| 10:51.55 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: we have some problems with osso-xterm and vte atm but sooner or later.. |
| 10:52.04 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 10:52.20 | Meizirkki | There is h-i-m selected in ROXterm menu, but i don't know how to get it up... |
| 10:52.55 | Stskeeps | click the terminal? dunno :P |
| 10:53.12 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, how about using libvte9 and applying maemo patches to that instead? but I don't know how far that would make you deviate from maemo though... |
| 10:53.35 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: maybe |
| 10:53.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i just suspect this isn't the only app we'll run into with that problem though |
| 10:54.13 | qwerty12 | yer |
| 10:54.35 | qwerty12 | I do think the mer sdk does need fixing though |
| 10:54.51 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:55.05 | Stskeeps | well one of the problems might be that your scratchbox core isnt recent |
| 10:55.36 | qwerty12 | Could be actually, I haven't updated this system in a long time (apologies in advance for blaming your sdk if it is me not updating) |
| 10:55.54 | Stslaptop | hehe, no need to apologise to me :) |
| 10:56.03 | Stslaptop | scratchbox is sometimes a bit of a clusterfuck :) |
| 10:56.08 | qwerty12 | hehe :) |
| 11:04.25 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: look at tablet-wireless script, there is following line: "ifconfig wlan0 up - was for network-manager" |
| 11:05.22 | Meizirkki | "-" should be "#" i guess? |
| 11:07.13 | Meizirkki | nm-applet still refuses to connect, when i removed the "- was for network-manager" part. |
| 11:15.38 | x29a | Meizirkki: so the vfat/dos partition is only for showing up when plugged in as usb-device? |
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| 11:20.49 | x29a | swapon > virtual memory? |
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| 11:22.58 | MaceN800 | hm. tmob only gives me an edge connection in my n95 |
| 11:24.16 | Stslaptop | Meizirkki: you're right |
| 11:24.45 | MaceN800 | i want to try nitdroid |
| 11:25.00 | MaceN800 | but no sound or bt? =) |
| 11:25.21 | MaceN800 | that's rough |
| 11:26.37 | Meizirkki | x29a: yes |
| 11:27.00 | Meizirkki | (swap = virtual memory [on card]) |
| 11:27.18 | x29a | ok |
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| 11:34.17 | MaceN800 | wow |
| 11:34.35 | MaceN800 | no maemo support for bt headphones still? |
| 11:34.48 | MaceN800 | am i missing something here? |
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| 11:37.34 | MaceN800 | figured a2dp would be there by now |
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| 11:48.32 | MaceN800 | wtf... i cant believe there is no a2dp support right out the box for an n800 |
| 11:54.39 | Stskeeps | MaceN800: trust me, i wasnt happy about it either :P |
| 11:55.11 | MaceN800 | is it possible to add it? |
| 11:55.13 | Stskeeps | but so it is. it supports bt headset, but not headphone. fremantle will support a2dp |
| 11:55.18 | Stskeeps | there's a larger thread on iTT on it |
| 11:55.36 | MaceN800 | fremantle? |
| 11:55.42 | MaceN800 | os 2009? |
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| 11:55.46 | MaceN800 | ;) |
| 11:56.38 | Stskeeps | maemo 5.0 :P |
| 11:57.01 | MaceN800 | hah! |
| 11:57.17 | MaceN800 | requires reflash? |
| 11:57.32 | MaceN800 | or can diablo update on the fly? |
| 11:58.01 | qwerty12 | It's not available officially on N800 or N810. |
| 11:58.07 | qwerty12 | Or rather, will not be |
| 11:58.24 | Stslaptop | which is what mer is for, but im not sure a2dp can run sanely on n8x0? :P |
| 11:58.43 | qwerty12 | Probably not, I think lardman says it uses the cortex for a2dp |
| 12:01.56 | MaceN800 | It has not yet been determined whether Fremantle will run on current N800, and N810 devices, though.[40] |
| 12:02.32 | MaceN800 | that's a let down |
| 12:02.48 | MaceN800 | ;) |
| 12:03.15 | MaceN800 | and i lost the wire phones that came w/ n800 |
| 12:03.17 | qwerty12 | "Maemo 5 comes today as an SDK only since it targets the OMAP3 architecture and no OMAP2 compatibility will be officially provided." ;) |
| 12:03.50 | MaceN800 | thanks qwerty.. and i was going to get an xohm n810 |
| 12:03.58 | MaceN800 | glad i didnt |
| 12:04.25 | qwerty12 | Yeah, the N900 with hspda will be better than wimax anyway :P |
| 12:04.29 | qwerty12 | *RX-51 |
| 12:04.50 | MaceN800 | yeah but i just killed my att acct |
| 12:05.01 | MaceN800 | and went w/ tmmob |
| 12:05.13 | qwerty12 | What, doesn't T-Mobile USA provide 3g? |
| 12:05.21 | MaceN800 | who are probably bw whores |
| 12:05.23 | qwerty12 | I know they do over here |
| 12:05.27 | qwerty12 | heh |
| 12:05.28 | MaceN800 | they do |
| 12:06.18 | MaceN800 | the woman at the store said that my service would be cut if i tried to use my g1 as a modem |
| 12:06.26 | MaceN800 | the g1/android plan throttles |
| 12:06.33 | qwerty12 | sucks :/ |
| 12:06.42 | MaceN800 | i tried using an android client to download stuff and they cut me off at 5MB |
| 12:06.55 | MaceN800 | i can use their edge all day long tho |
| 12:07.16 | MaceN800 | my quad band unlocked n95 wont' connect to their 3G network |
| 12:07.30 | MaceN800 | and i have no idea why heh |
| 12:07.59 | qwerty12 | Is it an American N95? 3g frequencies in America are different to the ones in Europe |
| 12:08.07 | MaceN800 | yah |
| 12:08.18 | MaceN800 | n95-3 |
| 12:08.27 | MaceN800 | it worked fine with att |
| 12:08.46 | MaceN800 | and if att's network wouldn't drop my ppp connectin all day long i'd have kept them |
| 12:09.00 | qwerty12 | Is the SIM a USIM? |
| 12:09.09 | MaceN800 | i think the moon had to be in a certain place for me to actually download more than 200M |
| 12:09.17 | MaceN800 | hm |
| 12:09.18 | qwerty12 | hah |
| 12:09.20 | MaceN800 | honestly dunno |
| 12:09.27 | MaceN800 | i havfe it in my n95 now |
| 12:09.41 | MaceN800 | taking the g1 back because it has a dead pixel |
| 12:09.51 | MaceN800 | made in china |
| 12:10.08 | MaceN800 | no 2 day old device should have dead pixels |
| 12:10.10 | qwerty12 | It's why I love my N800 - Made in Finland :) |
| 12:10.17 | MaceN800 | yah |
| 12:10.28 | MaceN800 | you can tell the quality difference between nokia products |
| 12:10.32 | MaceN800 | well.. most of them |
| 12:10.36 | MaceN800 | and htc stuff |
| 12:10.44 | MaceN800 | the g1 is flimsy |
| 12:11.15 | MaceN800 | it doesn't slide open as it more so CLUNKS open on this half circle arm thing |
| 12:11.22 | MaceN800 | the n95 slides so smooth i was expecting oil to leak from it |
| 12:11.41 | qwerty12 | Eurgh, hopefully, there will be better made products using android |
| 12:12.00 | MaceN800 | yeah... let's hope so |
| 12:12.10 | MaceN800 | because i have to admit.. android is really good |
| 12:12.32 | MaceN800 | i think it beats the crap out of symbian to tell you the truth |
| 12:12.51 | qwerty12 | Yeah, I quite enjoyed using nitdroid on the N800. Don't think it could replace Maemo on the N800 but I wouldn't mind having a separate android device |
| 12:12.53 | MaceN800 | i don't understand why symbian is so hard to make nice looking heh |
| 12:13.15 | MaceN800 | i haven't tried it yet |
| 12:13.25 | MaceN800 | no bt and no uhm.. no something that i like... sound? |
| 12:13.28 | MaceN800 | so i haven't bothered |
| 12:13.50 | qwerty12 | Blame linux-omap guys :P. Sound driver for N800 is too old :P |
| 12:14.00 | qwerty12 | Sound works on N810 :/ |
| 12:14.07 | MaceN800 | haha |
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| 12:14.34 | MaceN800 | does it? |
| 12:14.34 | MaceN800 | no gps support tho |
| 12:14.58 | MaceN800 | i wouldn't be able to live with myself having a piece of hardware in a unit not able to do anything |
| 12:15.13 | MaceN800 | yeah.. so far maemo seems the only way to go |
| 12:15.17 | qwerty12 | yeah, latest linux-omap tree has current support for sound in N810 |
| 12:15.27 | qwerty12 | Heh, looking at the gps, I think I could live without it :P |
| 12:15.37 | MaceN800 | i could too |
| 12:15.44 | MaceN800 | but it's the principle ;) |
| 12:15.50 | MaceN800 | and the bt |
| 12:16.03 | MaceN800 | i wouldn't be able to stand not being able to use my bt keyboard |
| 12:16.18 | MaceN800 | the n800 doesn't use a standard headphone jack does it? |
| 12:16.39 | MaceN800 | thinks there is only one way to find out |
| 12:16.51 | qwerty12 | Yep, it can use normal headphones fine. It has an extra 3rd prong but that's just for a microphone |
| 12:17.51 | MaceN800 | i thought the 3rd prong would mess up standard headphones |
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| 12:18.14 | MaceN800 | maybe it was a fluke last time i tried.. but the sound didn't seem right |
| 12:18.28 | MaceN800 | i wish nokia would release an android device |
| 12:18.33 | suihkulokki | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg08026.html |
| 12:18.37 | MaceN800 | oficially |
| 12:18.48 | MaceN800 | but they are stuck with symbian on their hones |
| 12:18.50 | suihkulokki | there's the intructions on porting n800 driver to current linux-omap :) |
| 12:18.51 | MaceN800 | phones |
| 12:19.11 | MaceN800 | suihk, i'm not that good |
| 12:19.13 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 12:19.58 | glass | MaceN800: google isn't as open/free about official android as they like to pose |
| 12:20.33 | MaceN800 | i'm wondering if the same could be said for nokia and symbian ;) |
| 12:20.58 | MaceN800 | google allowed just enough out there to allow people to develop for it |
| 12:21.00 | glass | MaceN800: symbian is actually more open.. and the native apps are native |
| 12:21.15 | glass | open in the sense of what you can d |
| 12:21.17 | qwerty12 | well, I found this ironic looking at the signing shit: http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/10/nokia-ad-open.jpg |
| 12:21.18 | MaceN800 | giving them a market with a huge selection of software in a short amount of time |
| 12:21.19 | glass | o |
| 12:21.53 | MaceN800 | but it's not as pretty and does not attract people to dev for it |
| 12:22.28 | MaceN800 | it's boring ;) |
| 12:22.40 | MaceN800 | symbian is great and powerful and you can get a lot done on it.. but it looks absolutely dull |
| 12:23.50 | MaceN800 | it's like having a quad i7... and running blackbox on it just because you want to remain minimal |
| 12:24.40 | glass | you mean theming? or the stupid ui lib on s60? |
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| 12:27.21 | MaceN800 | thhhhhhhhe ui |
| 12:28.38 | MaceN800 | it's just a shitty ui :) well.. not shitty.. but yoou could do so much more with the hardware in an n95 or e71 than what symbian does |
| 12:28.38 | MaceN800 | i'm waiting on an android for my n95 |
| 12:28.43 | MaceN800 | that would be so awesome |
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| 12:32.56 | florian | hi all |
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| 12:33.13 | Meizirkki | hi |
| 12:36.19 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: found weird fix for libtool oddity |
| 12:36.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, wicked |
| 12:36.42 | Stskeeps | go to ECHO="echo" in libtool (when generated), and change it to echo="echo" |
| 12:37.37 | qwerty12_N800 | This is why i hate case sensitivity sometimes :P |
| 12:38.08 | Stskeeps | yeah.. |
| 12:38.35 | MaceN800 | is there anything to boost the vol in maemo? |
| 12:38.56 | MaceN800 | the output from the jack seems so low |
| 12:39.25 | qwerty12_N800 | If you use easy debian, gnome alsa mixer works a treat |
| 12:39.55 | MaceN800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.08 | qwerty12_N800 | (although if truth be told, that's all I did use it for) |
| 12:40.19 | MaceN800 | i havent had time to tweak my n800 |
| 12:42.06 | Stskeeps | you got tired of your G1 already? :P |
| 12:42.31 | MaceN800 | lol no! |
| 12:42.42 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i kinda like the "open to anything" motto for tablets though |
| 12:42.53 | MaceN800 | i have it boxed up now |
| 12:43.06 | MaceN800 | going to return it because it has a dead pixel |
| 12:43.17 | MaceN800 | i don't play that shit on a brand new phone |
| 12:43.44 | MaceN800 | and i'd probably be able to deal with it if it were in a place i wouldn't notice it much.. but it's in a spot that shows up in every menu i open |
| 12:43.52 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yeah.. I hope the rx-51 raises the stakes... |
| 12:43.57 | MaceN800 | it's like bird shit right in front of your face on your windshield |
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| 12:45.24 | Stskeeps | MaceN800: think we have a rule in .dk dead pixels are ok .. up to 5 or so, but on a phone it might be different |
| 12:45.29 | Meizirkki | ! I didn't know that in Mer, "chr" button kiks up menu in non-hildonized apps o_0 |
| 12:45.30 | Stskeeps | as this rule is for tvs |
| 12:45.38 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i still dont have a n810 :P |
| 12:45.43 | Stskeeps | but neat |
| 12:45.59 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: how broken is installer right now btw? |
| 12:46.01 | Meizirkki | it comes up to the place, where mouse is :P |
| 12:46.12 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: it should work |
| 12:46.18 | MaceN800 | a tv has far more pixels |
| 12:46.19 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 12:46.28 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: "should work"? :> |
| 12:46.41 | MaceN800 | and i am sure that having a dead pixel on a brand new item is cause for return |
| 12:46.57 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i haven't tested the latest version, but we found what was wrong |
| 12:47.01 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 12:47.13 | Stskeeps | thanks for helping out, i just dont have time for those testings atm :P |
| 12:47.22 | Meizirkki | np |
| 12:47.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: think libtool in mer devkit might aid things? |
| 12:47.53 | RST38h | moos evilly, fresh from debugging 68000 code |
| 12:48.17 | MaceN800 | 68000 code? |
| 12:48.19 | MaceN800 | haha |
| 12:48.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, probably, even more so if it's fixed |
| 12:48.33 | MaceN800 | you coding for a sega genesis? |
| 12:48.39 | qwerty12_N800 | moo RST38h |
| 12:48.59 | RST38h | Mace: I am debugging a sega genesis. |
| 12:49.10 | RST38h | Don't ask. And I won't tell how gay it is. |
| 12:49.20 | MaceN800 | understood :) |
| 12:49.33 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: only "issue" is that libtool is 2.x in ubuntu though |
| 12:49.50 | Stskeeps | and i'm willing to bet a lot of crap breaks :> |
| 12:50.06 | RST38h | qwerty: whaZZZup? (judging from the number of downloads from maemo.org, it is more like ZZZ than up) |
| 12:50.26 | qwerty12_N800 | :/ |
| 12:51.03 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, heh, nothing much, just finished packaging zenity earlier :D |
| 12:51.03 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: on the other hand, these issues would arise when nokia upgrades to libtool 2 too:P |
| 12:51.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, maybe they never will :P |
| 12:57.00 | MaceN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_stereo_audio_with_XMMS |
| 12:57.05 | MaceN800 | wtf? |
| 12:57.25 | MaceN800 | so it's possible? |
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| 12:58.45 | gladiac | you can use a bluetooth device as a soundcard |
| 12:58.52 | gladiac | there is a kernel module for that |
| 12:59.12 | suihkulokki | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp |
| 13:01.10 | Stskeeps | i swear, with all the fucking about in scratchbox i've been doing, it's going to end up on my cv. |
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| 13:05.06 | johnx | Stskeeps, you can bet that once we get closer to Mer beta I'm going to add "package maintainer" to my resume |
| 13:05.15 | RST38h | Sts: "Skills: carmic sex with Scratchbox, deep knowledged of all positions" |
| 13:05.32 | RST38h | knowledge |
| 13:05.33 | Stskeeps | johnx: heh heh |
| 13:05.35 | johnx | RST38h, both giving and receiving |
| 13:05.43 | RST38h | yep. |
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| 13:09.30 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: certainly belongs to a buzzword style CV :) |
| 13:10.45 | Stskeeps | hehe :P |
| 13:10.48 | RST38h | Actually, "Skills: Scratchboxing' |
| 13:11.04 | Stskeeps | that kinda fits the experience once in a while, yes |
| 13:11.44 | Stskeeps | (no offense meant to scratchbox coders, it is actually a good tool, just a little like boxing with the additional rule it's alright to scratch eachother.) |
| 13:13.24 | johnx | yeah, cross compiling is a hairy problem. OE and scratchbox make it saner, but it can never really be simple by definition of the problem |
| 13:14.00 | johnx | MaceN800, if you didn't already know AT&T and T-Mo use different bands for 3G in the US |
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| 13:14.27 | Stskeeps | sometimes i don't blame the java people :P |
| 13:14.59 | MaceN800 | what band does tmob use? |
| 13:15.15 | johnx | hrrr...one of them uses 1700 and one uses 2100 |
| 13:15.20 | johnx | dunno which is which |
| 13:16.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: now with sane libtool, .. i think |
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| 13:17.13 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, brilliant. I'll give my system an update later |
| 13:17.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright |
| 13:19.41 | johnx | er, wait, t-mo uses *both* 1700 and 2100. but not the EU 2100. AT&T uses 1900 and 850 |
| 13:20.23 | johnx | GSM/WCDMA frequencies are SNAFU |
| 13:23.27 | RST38h | is most scare of three things in the US: the Cable Company, the Phone Company and the Cell Company |
| 13:23.34 | RST38h | scared |
| 13:23.49 | johnx | American oil isn't on the list? |
| 13:23.54 | RST38h | Satan's tripod |
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| 13:24.07 | RST38h | johnx: No, I do not have to converse with these |
| 13:24.42 | johnx | ah, I think they get us into more wars than the info-comm-tainment companies |
| 13:24.45 | RST38h | johnx: + oil guys are somewhere at the scale of natural disasters, they are not personified enough |
| 13:28.01 | johnx | oooh, other people working on omapfb? |
| 13:28.05 | Stskeeps | where? |
| 13:28.12 | johnx | http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/ |
| 13:28.18 | Stskeeps | same place afaik |
| 13:28.21 | johnx | darn |
| 13:28.32 | johnx | didn't know that's where they came from |
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| 13:29.25 | johnx | they have manual updates though I think O_o |
| 13:29.31 | Stskeeps | only wv |
| 13:29.32 | Stskeeps | xv |
| 13:29.34 | Stskeeps | i think |
| 13:30.00 | johnx | that's an odd choice |
| 13:30.17 | Stskeeps | ask kulve sometime about it i guess |
| 13:33.18 | johnx | someone really needs to tell the guys on linux-omap about deblet... |
| 13:33.58 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 13:34.14 | johnx | just read most of the thread linked in the scrollback |
| 13:34.24 | johnx | lots of people trying to make debian work with low degree of success |
| 13:34.49 | Stskeeps | url? |
| 13:34.50 | johnx | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg08026.html |
| 13:35.33 | Stskeeps | otto = solca btw |
| 13:36.13 | johnx | yeah, guessed that :) |
| 13:36.23 | johnx | from the last name and the subject matter |
| 13:36.57 | Stskeeps | that's a good thread so far |
| 13:39.14 | Stskeeps | but yea, it's fascinating to see how quick people get OS'es bootstrapped after getting to know what initfs tricks to employ :P |
| 13:39.34 | RST38h | BTW, gentlemen, what will you say if N9x0 comes with the 24bpp display? |
| 13:39.46 | johnx | bah, initfs tricks are cheating: why back in my day... *shakes fist* |
| 13:39.48 | alterego | I'll say, why they hell? |
| 13:40.09 | Stskeeps | yeah, men can only see 16 colors anyway |
| 13:40.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:40.12 | johnx | RST38h, i'll say: it'll be easy to switch to 16bit visuals in linux |
| 13:40.16 | Stskeeps | well, or distinguish |
| 13:40.21 | johnx | or name? |
| 13:40.25 | Stskeeps | .. that too |
| 13:40.36 | johnx | if I can't name it I don't want to see it :P |
| 13:40.47 | johnx | what's with muave and shartruse (sp?) |
| 13:41.10 | RST38h | johnx: no, what if the basic desktop color resolution is 24bpp? |
| 13:41.14 | alterego | Looks at Cairo::Colors :) |
| 13:41.23 | jaska | mauve chartreuse |
| 13:41.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Bring the colours on, baby! :p |
| 13:41.30 | jaska | had to look up chartreuse |
| 13:41.58 | johnx | RST38h, I won't be surprised, but for people who need 16bit it shouldn't be too hard. also: it will probably be 32bit |
| 13:42.45 | johnx | jaska, exactly. if I have to look them up, I don't need um! 4-bits is enough for anyone |
| 13:43.06 | jaska | hehe.. i just remembered it started with a c |
| 13:43.20 | johnx | Stskeeps, I think we have DPMS in x-x-v-omapfb (!). no more dsme blacnking! |
| 13:43.51 | johnx | <- spelling b0rken |
| 13:44.11 | qwerty12_N800 | I love dsme blacnking, don't you dare remove it |
| 13:44.26 | johnx | what about blanking? :P |
| 13:44.32 | johnx | can I remove that? |
| 13:44.35 | RST38h | johnx: Yes, it will be 32bit, i.e. twice as much data to move around |
| 13:44.45 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, sure :P |
| 13:44.53 | RST38h | johnx: And I am not asking it out of academic curiosity btw |
| 13:45.46 | Stskeeps | johnx: interesting |
| 13:46.29 | johnx | RST38h, if there's no difference in speed between 16/32bits on the GPU and they have the RAM to play with (say 512MB) it's just a question of making *damn sure* they don't do something really stupid with the LCD bus...again |
| 13:47.07 | ShadowJK | That xf86-video-omapfb thing... It does some software conversion if you feed it YV12 (which is the native format for nearly all video codecs by default)... Surprise surprise, benchmarking xv on Maemo shows that YV12->XV is slower than YUY2->XV, with mplayer doing the conversion in the second case... |
| 13:47.28 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: can you understand X driver structure? :P |
| 13:47.41 | Stskeeps | if so, code manual updates for us ;) |
| 13:48.10 | ShadowJK | And if this software behind-your-back conversion in the Xv driver hadn't been implemented in the first place, MPlayer would've automatically converted to YUY2 and it'd performed better without the need to tweak manually |
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| 13:48.53 | ShadowJK | (of course, the maemo port of mplayer has some scary raw omapfb output which slaughters xv anyway...) |
| 13:49.06 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, no I have no clue |
| 13:49.50 | johnx | ah, mplayer: a different output system for every fb :) |
| 13:50.51 | ShadowJK | yes well, when vendors and driver writers manage to cripple Xv so often, people resort to desperate acts |
| 13:51.17 | johnx | doesn't even remember xfbdev on the zaurus having xv... |
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| 13:52.56 | ssvb | ShadowJK: Xomap has an optimized YUV conversion code and it will slaughter that xf86-video-omapfb thing on Xv performance |
| 13:53.45 | ssvb | ShadowJK: that is until somebody cares to port optimized YUV conversion code to xf86-video-omapfb :) |
| 13:53.48 | johnx | yeah, but xorg fits so much better into ubuntu than xomap... |
| 13:54.18 | RST38h | johnx: there is x2 difference |
| 13:54.22 | ShadowJK | ssvb, quickly looking over it, I didn't find any other conversion than planar->packed? |
| 13:54.47 | ssvb | ShadowJK: that's the only relevant conversion |
| 13:55.04 | ssvb | the others are much less important |
| 13:55.10 | ShadowJK | right |
| 13:55.20 | johnx | RST38h, yes, in xv. but mice work 2x better or more in xorg. :P |
| 13:55.27 | RST38h | johnx: see, I started hacking into 5800 yesterday, an s60e5 device supposedly similar in hw to upcoming n9x0 |
| 13:55.29 | ShadowJK | What I just benchmarked was then Xomap's conversion vs MPlayer's conversion |
| 13:55.52 | RST38h | johnx: and it seems to be restricted to 32bit RGBA mode |
| 13:55.56 | johnx | RST38h, huh? a poervr sgx? mbx? |
| 13:56.15 | RST38h | johnx: did not touch that, I just need scren buffer access |
| 13:56.39 | RST38h | wanted to drop it into 16bpp like previous s60e3 devices but no go |
| 13:56.54 | johnx | RST38h, sorry if this sounds dim, so you mean just the LCD controller doesn't support 16bit? |
| 13:57.13 | RST38h | johnx: apparently |
| 13:58.10 | RST38h | or the os does not let you enable it for some reason |
| 13:58.10 | johnx | odd. I think it will be on-chip on the omap3, yes? is there a reason you think the LCD controller in the OMAP3 will be the same as the 5800? |
| 13:58.28 | johnx | and what chipset *is* the 5800 using? |
| 13:59.10 | RST38h | good question with no answer |
| 13:59.17 | RST38h | Nokia says "uses ARM11 CPU" |
| 14:00.44 | johnx | the LCD controller is probably on-chip I would assume. |
| 14:01.04 | alterego | I'm goign to be reinstalling my laptop today O_O |
| 14:01.14 | alterego | It'll probably take quite some time ^_^ |
| 14:01.24 | johnx | always does |
| 14:09.38 | johnx | ~hail qwerty12 :) |
| 14:09.39 | infobot | ACTION bows down to qwerty12 :) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:09.57 | johnx | woo! a nice clean version of zenity to use |
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| 14:27.29 | ShadowJK | heh time to playback 1000 frames: xv yv12 (Xomap doing conversion): ~70secs, xv yuy2 (MPlayer doing conversion): ~52secs, mplayer vo omapfb: ~43secs |
| 14:27.33 | ShadowJK | shocking :) |
| 14:27.41 | qwerty12_N800_ | johnx, :) |
| 14:28.12 | Stskeeps | next step on the road, a friggen toolchain |
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| 14:36.03 | ShadowJK | starts to see why mplayer omapfb output isn't in mplayer mainline |
| 14:40.55 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: how do i stop redirection of autoconf? |
| 14:42.00 | Stskeeps | nm. got a solution now. |
| 14:42.28 | Stskeeps | or not. |
| 14:43.10 | MaceN800 | i always thought not another teen movie was joking when they had the one black guy that was meant to say three things |
| 14:43.32 | MaceN800 | until i watched armegeddon and the big black dude said something cliche like 'harry.. you da man' |
| 14:43.38 | Stskeeps | token black |
| 14:43.50 | MaceN800 | yeah |
| 14:44.03 | MaceN800 | it's like when they have a movie about the military |
| 14:44.10 | MaceN800 | someone always has to salute at the end |
| 14:44.33 | MaceN800 | like a few good men |
| 14:44.57 | MaceN800 | where the Marine salutes indoors. Marines don't salute indoors unless they have a weapon |
| 14:45.09 | MaceN800 | but it made for good tv i suppose |
| 14:45.16 | qwerty12_N800 | stskeeps, I thought you could provide a full path to the one you want in your autogen script or similar? but something like (not tested), export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/autoconf ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH |
| 14:45.30 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 14:46.21 | Stskeeps | kludge on kludge.. |
| 14:47.38 | johnx | sunday, sunday, sunday! hot kludge on kludge action at the megadome! |
| 14:50.18 | ssvb | ShadowJK: your results are very strange, normally you should not get better performance with yuy2 |
| 14:51.13 | ShadowJK | ssvb, wouldn't this be because the hardware doesn't support YV12? |
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| 14:52.07 | ssvb | ShadowJK: but video decoders do not normally support YUY2, so a conversion is needed anyway |
| 14:52.16 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 14:52.59 | ShadowJK | I benchmark the 3 different implementations of this software conversion |
| 14:53.35 | ShadowJK | The video codec was still outputting YV12 |
| 14:53.42 | ssvb | ShadowJK: and your results are strange, because YUY2 conversion should be slower |
| 14:53.56 | ShadowJK | Why? |
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| 14:54.50 | ssvb | ShadowJK: because it has to crunch more data to provide 16-bit output instead of 12-bit |
| 14:55.37 | ShadowJK | Judging by xf86-video-omapfb, the hardware is not able to accept 12-bit YV12? |
| 14:56.06 | ssvb | ShadowJK: it is able to accept 12-bit weird packed YUY420 format |
| 14:57.05 | johnx | woo! xset dpms force off appears to *do the right thing* |
| 14:57.05 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 14:57.05 | johnx | it's almost like a normal linux machine! |
| 14:58.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: turning off display and backlight? |
| 14:59.06 | johnx | turning off backlight at least, how do I test to see if the display is really off |
| 14:59.15 | johnx | grabs a flashlight |
| 14:59.30 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:00.00 | johnx | I think it's really off |
| 15:00.03 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 15:01.02 | Meizirkki | johnx: pandora? |
| 15:01.10 | johnx | n800 |
| 15:01.16 | Meizirkki | ah |
| 15:01.17 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 15:01.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: funny detail about sleep_while_idle and n810 in that thread btw |
| 15:01.27 | johnx | no pandora in hand yet *sighs* |
| 15:01.36 | johnx | about the GPS uart? |
| 15:01.39 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:01.50 | johnx | wonder what's happening in maemo |
| 15:02.03 | johnx | I mean OS2008/maemo |
| 15:02.05 | Stskeeps | i guess it can't go properly to sleep when gps is on, maybe |
| 15:02.07 | ShadowJK | ssvb, so is Xomap converting YV12 to this weird packed format? |
| 15:03.34 | ssvb | ShadowJK: yes, and the same does mplayer in omapfb |
| 15:03.42 | ssvb | ShadowJK: anyway, just did a benchmark myself and the results are: yv12 xv (78 seconds), yuv12 xv direct rendering (72 seconds), yuy2 xv (85 seconds), omapfb (61 seconds) |
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| 15:04.42 | ssvb | ShadowJK: I suspect there is a problem in mplayer direct rendering implementation, theoretically it should be almost as fast as omapfb |
| 15:05.53 | ssvb | ShadowJK: enabling direct rendering: '-dr -nomenu', enabling yuy2: '-vf yuy2'. Did you try something different? |
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| 15:06.05 | ShadowJK | -vf format=yuy2 |
| 15:08.03 | ShadowJK | Atleast in the case of Xv vs vidix, xmga and similar things on x86, there's an extra memcpy() done by X in the Xv path |
| 15:08.59 | ssvb | ShadowJK: 'direct rendering' tries to get rid of this extra memcpy |
| 15:09.40 | ssvb | ShadowJK: anyway, YUY2 is still the slowest for me, you must have done something different in your test |
| 15:09.57 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 15:10.08 | ShadowJK | -ao null -noframedrop |
| 15:10.31 | ShadowJK | and -benchmark to play as fast as it can |
| 15:10.34 | ssvb | ShadowJK: I used -nosound -benchmark -quiet |
| 15:10.56 | ShadowJK | try add -noframedrop ? |
| 15:12.26 | ssvb | ShadowJK: what version of firmware/Xomap are you using? |
| 15:13.09 | ShadowJK | uh, whatever you get with diablo & ssu.. |
| 15:13.18 | ssvb | ok |
| 15:14.25 | ssvb | ShadowJK: I just thought that you might have been using old Xomap version, or rebuilt it yourself using configuration without armv6 optimizations enabled, nevermind |
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| 15:16.56 | alterego | begins backup process :S |
| 15:25.20 | alterego | yawns |
| 15:25.28 | alterego | This is going to take _ages_ .. |
| 15:25.41 | johnx | yawning? backups are exciting! |
| 15:28.32 | alterego | The should implement transparent compression over DMA .. |
| 15:31.50 | ssvb | ShadowJK: by the way, have you run your tests with frequency scaling disabled (and CPU forced at 400MHz)? |
| 15:34.03 | ShadowJK | let me do that |
| 15:34.14 | ShadowJK | rerunning without audio decoding right now |
| 15:34.37 | ShadowJK | forcing = set governor to performance? |
| 15:35.01 | ssvb | ShadowJK: also make sure that there is nothing like metalayer-crawler running :) |
| 15:35.39 | johnx | Stskeeps, the new builder '=' only applies if I'm not building the highest version number available, right? |
| 15:35.49 | ShadowJK | running everything 5 times |
| 15:35.50 | ssvb | ShadowJK: echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 0 > /sys/power/op_active |
| 15:36.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah. anything that needs gcc and such that needs building atm? i'm fucking about a bit with builder so |
| 15:36.07 | ShadowJK | what does op_active do? |
| 15:36.54 | ssvb | ShadowJK: the device supports OP modes 0, 1, 2 and 3. OP0 is 400MHz |
| 15:37.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: (kinda broken libtool right now.) |
| 15:37.15 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'll just do it later. no worries |
| 15:39.21 | ssvb | ShadowJK: also it is better to benchmark with '-nosound', with just '-ao null' audio is still decoded and using CPU |
| 15:39.22 | ShadowJK | yeah |
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| 15:59.35 | RST38h | Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015 |
| 16:00.14 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 16:01.18 | johnx | I don't really see military rockets "tainting" NASA. seems to make sense to me |
| 16:01.52 | RST38h | johnx: it will have to go both ways, if you know what I mean =) |
| 16:02.19 | johnx | they'll use old shuttles full of TNT as missiles? |
| 16:04.10 | RST38h | johnx: they will probably do more surveillance and military payload deliveries |
| 16:04.33 | RST38h | johnx: As to old shuttles, I don't think you really need TNT there =) |
| 16:04.57 | johnx | just drop them out of the sky on "people we don't like" |
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| 16:07.26 | RST38bis | Back |
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| 16:38.12 | Stskeeps | mm steak |
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| 16:39.33 | johnx | mmm...chikn! |
| 16:40.50 | Stskeeps | gonna make that one of these days too |
| 16:41.09 | Stskeeps | fiancee went back to berlin so |
| 16:41.18 | johnx | less cooking now? |
| 16:41.22 | johnx | or more cooking? |
| 16:41.45 | Stskeeps | more i guess |
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| 16:42.00 | ShadowJK | ssvb, it's still not showing "correct" results |
| 16:42.40 | ShadowJK | ~23, ~38, ~55 |
| 16:42.52 | ShadowJK | omapfb, yuy2, yv12 |
| 16:43.58 | johnx | maybe you guys should settle on a common video clip to test... |
| 16:44.23 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 16:44.29 | ShadowJK | that might help |
| 16:44.32 | RST38h | Or just blit stuff in a tight loop |
| 16:44.56 | RST38h | Personally, mmap()ped fb0 works the best for me. |
| 16:45.12 | RST38h | + hw scaling when in full screen mode. |
| 16:54.43 | Stskeeps | johnx: was it zenity you wanted to build, btw? |
| 16:55.19 | johnx | nah, the hildon session stuff |
| 16:57.27 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:57.55 | johnx | I can do zenity stuff locally until I actually have something that uses it successfully |
| 17:01.10 | Stskeeps | tries to see if the new libtool improves anything or it just breaks horridly. |
| 17:06.05 | w00t_ | votes for horrible breakage |
| 17:06.21 | Stskeeps | scaringily enough it didn't |
| 17:06.29 | w00t_ | I don't believe you |
| 17:06.33 | w00t_ | pix or it didn't happen. |
| 17:06.59 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:07.23 | lcuk | is in the doghouse |
| 17:07.54 | Stskeeps | you broke her new motherboard? |
| 17:08.09 | Stskeeps | and the doghouse is acceptable if the wifi isnt off and you can reach it with your tablet. |
| 17:08.12 | Stskeeps | P |
| 17:08.27 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:08.37 | lcuk | no, i ummm was up a tad late coding last night |
| 17:09.10 | GAN800 | 'tad' |
| 17:09.18 | johnx | ahaha |
| 17:09.53 | Stskeeps | lcuk: you're moving to johnx's timezone now? :P |
| 17:10.35 | lcuk | umm yeah sortof |
| 17:10.39 | johnx | heh, I'm moving east in terms of timezones though |
| 17:10.54 | johnx | farther into the future I guess |
| 17:11.34 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i got a little caught up with a couple of things |
| 17:11.43 | w00t_ | lcuk: unlucky you, I don't get in trouble for that :> |
| 17:12.05 | w00t_ | (I've been up until 7am my time for the holiday season.. ugh.. work tomorrow is going to bring a sudden dose of reality back to things :<) |
| 17:12.11 | Stskeeps | w00t_: your gf studies comp.sci, doesn't count |
| 17:12.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:12.51 | w00t_ | Stskeeps: true :P |
| 17:13.46 | b-man | Stskeeps, Johnx, what do you think of my new guide?; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 |
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| 17:15.31 | Stskeeps | b-man: clinkc,mce-dummy,770 packages,xresponse-visualize isnt needed under ubuntu/n8x0 |
| 17:15.39 | Stskeeps | and ke-recv-l10n-public :P |
| 17:16.10 | johnx | b-man, also: when is gdm starting. if it starts before hal then that's your keyboard problem right there |
| 17:16.30 | b-man | how can i fix that? |
| 17:16.45 | Stskeeps | b-man: and you forgot the warning ;) |
| 17:16.53 | johnx | you need to look in /etc/rc2.d and check which is starting first |
| 17:17.20 | b-man | Stskeeps; i'll add a warning too ;) |
| 17:17.29 | Stskeeps | (which is "this is a desktop distribution. it will take as much battery as it would on a laptop." :P) |
| 17:18.35 | Stslaptop | and the usual warning with bootmenu.d items and clone-to-SD scripts. |
| 17:20.19 | johnx | assembles his new nokia charger |
| 17:21.01 | Stslaptop | hehe. the bastard child of a nokia plug and a NTT charger? :P |
| 17:21.29 | johnx | yeah :/ |
| 17:21.41 | johnx | the converter is made by a company called "rasta banana" |
| 17:21.47 | johnx | I wish I was making this up |
| 17:21.48 | qwerty12 | hah |
| 17:21.50 | b-man | johnx; S24hal - in rc2.d |
| 17:22.29 | b-man | S30gdm |
| 17:23.20 | b-man | does this look right? :p |
| 17:23.34 | johnx | huh...interesting. Stskeeps, you're not using any hal modifications for the keyboard support in Mer, right? |
| 17:23.57 | johnx | b-man, you could try changing gdm to start later. just increase the number. maybe 60 or so? |
| 17:23.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: correct, but i'm not confident our keyboard support is correct |
| 17:24.49 | johnx | yeah, looks like our keymap is quite interesting...but better than nothing |
| 17:25.03 | b-man | johnx; that won't cause problems with LSB.. right? |
| 17:25.05 | Stskeeps | b-man: i'm not confident insserv won't screw things up immensely |
| 17:25.48 | Stskeeps | but that's just a hunch |
| 17:25.59 | johnx | woo! franken-charger seems to work just fine |
| 17:26.09 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 17:26.10 | b-man | lol |
| 17:26.49 | johnx | thank you mighty rasta banada! |
| 17:26.56 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 17:27.06 | johnx | did I mention their logo is a bunch of bananas the colors of the Jamaican flag? |
| 17:27.30 | qwerty12 | Do they ship a free zut with their chargers too? :) |
| 17:27.46 | Stskeeps | uploads new toolchain |
| 17:28.05 | b-man | goes and changes S30gdm to S60gdm and hopes he did not kill his ubuntu install :p |
| 17:28.30 | johnx | eh, you can change it back |
| 17:28.36 | Stskeeps | b-man: btw, just to be an ass so you don't get stupid people after you at some point, - you can't call it ubuntu :P |
| 17:28.47 | Stskeeps | (.. probably) |
| 17:29.00 | b-man | tabuntu! :D |
| 17:29.06 | Stskeeps | deargod |
| 17:29.07 | johnx | well, actually, he's providing instructions to install ubuntu |
| 17:29.10 | Stskeeps | true |
| 17:29.20 | Stskeeps | my bad then :) |
| 17:29.36 | johnx | plus, it would be fun to see those people get worked up again |
| 17:29.45 | b-man | lol |
| 17:30.48 | johnx | qwerty12, I feel so out of touch. I actually had to look up that word O_o; |
| 17:31.00 | alterego | tabluntu tremendous tablet. |
| 17:31.13 | qwerty12 | johnx, don't worry about it :P :D |
| 17:31.30 | alterego | Mobile mole |
| 17:31.55 | Stskeeps | tortoise.. by the speed |
| 17:31.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:32.11 | johnx | qwerty12, and the answer is not unless I'm supposed to roll one with the crappy cardboard it came packaged in and use it to smoke the plastic... |
| 17:32.30 | alterego | What's the command to get the load cycle count of a hard drive? |
| 17:32.38 | qwerty12 | johnx, lol... yeah, plastic is no fun :P |
| 17:32.50 | johnx | alterego, "tremendous tablet" reminds me of those giant 2m tall display model phones |
| 17:32.53 | johnx | alterego, hdparm |
| 17:32.57 | johnx | dunno the param you need |
| 17:33.14 | alterego | hdparm cool. I thought it was something to do with smart utils |
| 17:33.14 | johnx | errr.scratch that: smartctl |
| 17:33.19 | johnx | :) |
| 17:33.29 | alterego | Ah okay :) |
| 17:33.49 | Stslaptop | qwerty12: updated SDK instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide |
| 17:33.55 | johnx | had a brain lapse. I've done surprisingly little meddling in the affairs of my desktop linux box |
| 17:33.57 | Stslaptop | libtool seems to be sane now |
| 17:34.18 | Stslaptop | (differences are toolchain and devkit) |
| 17:34.24 | Stslaptop | and perl |
| 17:34.25 | qwerty12 | Stslaptop, brilliant. Just let me finish cannibalising the excellent acmonitor. |
| 17:34.29 | johnx | Stslaptop, that's like saying "nothing could possibly go wrong." |
| 17:34.42 | alterego | 59300 .. Is that a lot for an 8 month old laptop? |
| 17:34.44 | b-man | alterego; i know, it only took me a couple seconds to come up with tabuntu :p |
| 17:34.55 | Stslaptop | alterego: what currency? :P |
| 17:35.09 | Stslaptop | oh. |
| 17:35.10 | alterego | Heh, it's my load cycle count :P |
| 17:35.12 | Stslaptop | load counts :> |
| 17:35.44 | johnx | "load cycle" ?= number of spinups |
| 17:36.00 | alterego | Yes |
| 17:36.17 | alterego | It's the number of times the hard drive has parked and unparked. |
| 17:36.47 | Stslaptop | mm. i remember when having to tell my hd to park itself for transportation |
| 17:36.48 | johnx | 2278 on a very old desktop drive |
| 17:37.03 | alterego | Heh, there's one guy on this forum that's getting one a minute. |
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| 17:38.27 | johnx | ha! it's 0 on my other drive :) |
| 17:38.41 | alterego | It's usually an issue with laptops ;) |
| 17:39.02 | johnx | yeah, mobile devices with moving parts have never worked out well for me |
| 17:39.09 | johnx | like cars :$ |
| 17:39.09 | qwerty12 | Have we found a competitor for uptime records? :P |
| 17:39.31 | johnx | qwerty12, only respectible uptime to be had is on my router |
| 17:40.15 | qwerty12 | johnx, hah, my one reboots like crazy... although for my old one, I did compile tugs uptime client - dunno if it works though :P |
| 17:40.48 | johnx | <plug>my router was rebooting pretty often, then I got Tomato firmware. Thanks Tomato!</plug> |
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| 17:41.22 | alterego | Well, it looks like my hard drive, which has been up 178623 hours has an average of 3 load cycles an hour. |
| 17:41.26 | qwerty12 | I may as well get a router supported by tomato or maybe the wrt's then. This router goes when I finish with o2 anyway |
| 17:41.39 | churl1 | hi everyone! |
| 17:42.00 | alterego | Interesting, according to that my hard drive has been on for 7442 days. Even thought it's only 8 months old O_O |
| 17:42.20 | Stskeeps | refurbished? :P |
| 17:42.24 | johnx | hi churl1 |
| 17:42.26 | alterego | Something tells me that "Power_On_Hours" is actually minutes. |
| 17:42.34 | Stskeeps | never trust a hd |
| 17:42.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:42.52 | alterego | Because when I use it as minutes it has had a 4 month uptime, which is about right for a 8 month old laptop :) |
| 17:42.54 | johnx | alterego, it *might* be lying to you. does it also claim the temperature is 480C? |
| 17:43.07 | alterego | Temperature is 38C |
| 17:44.05 | alterego | Oh, and "Power_On_Hours" is incrementing every minute ;) |
| 17:44.06 | Stslaptop | johnx: builder clear |
| 17:45.05 | churl1 | i have an issue with putting my n800 to standby (power button then middle direction button). it just seems not to respond to the second button anymore. another funny thing it was doing was bringing up an applet's preferences with a push of the power button. where should i start with this issue? |
| 17:45.17 | alterego | Interesting, I just completed a charge test on my N810. If I charge it with the standard mains charger it lasts quite a bit less than a slow charge with the USB charger I made that never completes the charge cycle O_O |
| 17:45.27 | alterego | I'm going to do the test again to be sure :) |
| 17:45.36 | churl1 | yo johnx |
| 17:45.57 | johnx | churl1, which applet and which version of the OS? |
| 17:46.11 | alterego | I wasn't expecting Li-Ion batteries to have that dramatic difference with charger ratings. |
| 17:46.28 | alterego | I'll do an averaging test with my phone over a month too. |
| 17:47.50 | churl1 | johnx: os 2008 and on further inspection it (was) acting as if i had clicked on "home" when i pressed power. that part of the issue stopped after i ran the battery out and did a full charge |
| 17:48.05 | churl1 | diablo |
| 17:48.38 | churl1 | so i guess i cant get the screen to lock anymore is my real issue |
| 17:49.13 | johnx | did you install anything that might be related to this? |
| 17:50.15 | churl1 | nah, not that i can think of, i just picked it up one day (after the batt ran out or just after a week of non-use) and this issue started up |
| 17:51.46 | churl1 | johnx: but like i said, this issue seems to change as the battery life is fully drained and then charged back up |
| 17:52.30 | churl1 | oh, and it did work right after a full charge, just the next time i tried to go to standby, it wouldnt work |
| 17:52.52 | churl1 | so, im at a loss! haha |
| 17:53.21 | lcuk | alterego, people have been having spurious battery duration results for ages now |
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| 17:54.06 | johnx | so if you hit the power button, then hit "ok" to "lock screen and keyboard", what happens? |
| 17:54.28 | churl1 | johnx: it doesnt seem to register the "ok" |
| 17:54.47 | johnx | so the dialog goes away? |
| 17:54.55 | churl1 | the button works, it makes a click noise, |
| 17:55.01 | churl1 | no |
| 17:55.17 | johnx | does the button light up as if you clicked it? |
| 17:55.46 | churl1 | no, but im not sure if it ever does?? |
| 17:56.08 | lcuk | churl, does it light up when you press it at other times |
| 17:56.23 | churl1 | like a blue LED light around the "ok"? no |
| 17:56.27 | churl1 | it doesnt |
| 17:56.44 | johnx | churl1, I mean the "ok" button. does it give the "you clicked me" look? |
| 17:57.03 | churl1 | no |
| 17:57.13 | johnx | so you hear the screen tap, but the button doesn't "look clicked"? |
| 17:57.40 | b-man | added a disclaimer to the Ubuntu guide ;) |
| 17:57.58 | johnx | churl1, you're sure you never installed powerlaunch? |
| 17:58.46 | churl1 | doesnt sound familiar |
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| 17:59.12 | churl1 | correct |
| 18:00.01 | johnx | ok, what is the last piece of software you installed, even if it doesn't seem related? |
| 18:00.47 | lcuk | johnx, can you feel your ears burning :P |
| 18:00.53 | churl1 | maybe dukenukem |
| 18:02.08 | churl1 | i do have powerlaunch installed |
| 18:02.08 | johnx | next question: are you out of space on the internal memory? |
| 18:02.08 | johnx | bingo |
| 18:02.23 | churl1 | so kill powerlaunch? |
| 18:02.39 | johnx | well, are you using it for something? would you rather fix it or remove it? |
| 18:03.33 | churl1 | johnx: not as far as i know :( i just want this to work again :) |
| 18:03.44 | Stslaptop | do you have easy debian installed per chance? |
| 18:04.00 | churl1 | not yet ;) |
| 18:04.14 | johnx | churl1, I would try removing powerlaunch and rebooting to see if everything works again |
| 18:04.16 | Stskeeps | ah, cos that drags in powerlaunch, i think :P |
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| 18:05.49 | qwerty12 | qole removed the dependency with later versions |
| 18:05.55 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:08.49 | churl1 | johnx: ok, when i go to "lock touch screen and keys" should the screen go black? or just dim? |
| 18:09.02 | johnx | yes, depending on your settings |
| 18:09.27 | johnx | if dim and blank are set to the same time then it will blank, otherwise it will dim, then blank after a bit |
| 18:10.00 | churl1 | :) just saw it do all that |
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| 18:10.10 | churl1 | where are those settings? |
| 18:11.01 | johnx | in control panel -> display I think |
| 18:11.18 | churl1 | thanks a bunch johnx! |
| 18:12.15 | GAN8001 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:16.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw we might have a bigass recompile coming up at some point.. |
| 18:16.26 | johnx | fun fun |
| 18:16.29 | Stskeeps | we should have taken gconf2 along long ago |
| 18:17.15 | johnx | ah, gronk |
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| 18:19.54 | Stslaptop | wtf @ danish news. man drives in SUV with a _bull_ on an attached wagon, other driver notices man is driving kinda like he's drunk, other driver alarms police, other driver gets him to pull over, driver and man gets in a fight, man suddenly walks out in the middle of the highway and gets hit by a car |
| 18:20.24 | w00t_ | o.O |
| 18:20.31 | johnx | it's news because that sort of thing doesn't happen all the time... right? |
| 18:21.07 | Stslaptop | still, driving drunk in a SUV with a bull on an attached wagon, is kinda something. |
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| 18:30.44 | kpel | hi all |
| 18:31.31 | qwerty12_N800 | hi |
| 18:31.31 | Mousey_ | lo |
| 18:31.31 | Mousey_ | um |
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| 18:50.05 | Stslaptop | johnx: heads up, repository might break quite badly right now |
| 18:50.17 | Stslaptop | as gconf2-6 compiled |
| 18:51.07 | Stslaptop | (on the other hand, we are more api compatible with maemo now.) |
| 18:55.15 | johnx | fun fun :) |
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| 19:03.22 | ssvb | ShadowJK: sorry, I was akf. Your benchmarks confirm that yuy2 is slow :) And also show that there is something wrong with yv12 in your configuration too |
| 19:03.53 | ssvb | ShadowJK: what kind of video are you using for test? is there something special about its resolution? |
| 19:04.26 | ShadowJK | 432x288 |
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| 19:08.14 | ssvb | ShadowJK: then it's completely strange, there could be some problems with resolution (being not multiple of something), but multiple of 16 should be always fine |
| 19:08.47 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 19:08.48 | ssvb | ShadowJK: do you test it in fullscreen? are you sure that no downscaling is involved? |
| 19:09.06 | ShadowJK | it's fullscreen and widescreen |
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| 19:09.55 | ssvb | ShadowJK: please also try some other video |
| 19:10.10 | ShadowJK | Yeah, on it now :-) |
| 19:10.19 | lcuk | hiya ssvb :) |
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| 19:11.02 | zakkm | when i try to run flasher ( Gentoo amd64 ) using the amd64 flasher i get the error ./flasher-3.0.amd64: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 19:11.20 | ssvb | ShadowJK: another problem could be with the top left corner alignment |
| 19:11.47 | lcuk | zakkm, check you downloaded the proper flasher and not the html eual page as happens often |
| 19:11.53 | lcuk | eula |
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| 19:12.49 | alterego | I've got so much junk I need to organise it's unreal. |
| 19:12.59 | alterego | Oh well. It can wait another day. |
| 19:13.00 | Stslaptop | johnx: think i'll go to hell for substituting all libgconf2-4 (< 2.15)? |
| 19:13.01 | zakkm | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 19:13.03 | ssvb | ShadowJK: this weird YUV420 format consists of 4x2 pixel macroblocks, if anything is not aligned, it could fail some checks and fallback to a slow YUY2 code in Xomap |
| 19:13.04 | zakkm | same place i always get it from |
| 19:13.19 | Stslaptop | zakkm: cat it.. is it a html page? ;) |
| 19:13.31 | ssvb | lcuk: hi |
| 19:13.42 | zakkm | oh weird |
| 19:13.50 | zakkm | why? how? isnt it the right page |
| 19:14.02 | johnx | yes. don't right click and save to disk |
| 19:14.28 | zakkm | whats the right download page then? |
| 19:14.39 | johnx | Stslaptop, ehe, we're probably both going for some of the Mer stuff. see you there? |
| 19:14.52 | Stslaptop | hehe |
| 19:15.04 | lcuk | zakkm, if you havent actually entered your wifi ID onto the first page it always comes up and asks for it no matter what you try to download |
| 19:15.27 | lcuk | you have the right page, but your browser doesnt have a cookie or whatever it needs to say "yes this user has entered id |
| 19:15.33 | zakkm | ohh |
| 19:15.42 | zakkm | different browser? |
| 19:16.19 | johnx | also: left click to download |
| 19:17.38 | lcuk | zakkm, go here first with same browser |
| 19:17.39 | lcuk | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
| 19:17.45 | lcuk | it asks for your WLAN id |
| 19:18.04 | zakkm | lcuk: sweet thanks :) |
| 19:18.25 | lcuk | i believe all the files are then listed with proper download links |
| 19:18.30 | zakkm | well it succeeded just using firefox and going to old page, it had a disclamier that way |
| 19:18.38 | zakkm | now to get the new nitdroid kernel :) |
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| 19:26.25 | Jaffa | Anyone know how to put multi-key shortcuts in X Terminal (e.g. ^A p) |
| 19:26.58 | johnx | sure, it's <ctrl>a I think |
| 19:27.29 | Jaffa | ...and the following char? |
| 19:27.44 | Jaffa | I think I got the ctrl working |
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| 19:28.08 | johnx | a multi-key as in: |
| 19:28.10 | johnx | ctrl-a |
| 19:28.11 | johnx | p |
| 19:28.14 | Jaffa | yeah |
| 19:28.21 | Jaffa | A ha |
| 19:28.21 | johnx | yeah, no clue |
| 19:28.29 | Jaffa | '<ctrl>a p' |
| 19:28.34 | johnx | well nice :) |
| 19:30.22 | Jaffa | Wish I could get rid of the hardcoded ctrl entry |
| 19:31.50 | qwerty12_N800 | apt-get source osso-xterm :) |
| 19:34.00 | churl1 | hello all again, im having an issue with libhildonfm2 |
| 19:34.18 | ShadowJK | ssvb, still seeing same pattern with another file |
| 19:34.43 | ShadowJK | I used this one http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/benchmark/testsuite1/matrixbench_lowerdivx4_vbrmp3.avi |
| 19:35.16 | churl1 | im unable to update a few programs that use it. app man. says that libhildonfm2 (>=1:2.0.6.1) is missing |
| 19:35.21 | GAN8001 | churl1, update your OS. :) |
| 19:35.26 | GAN8001 | ~ssu |
| 19:35.27 | infobot | hmm... ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 19:36.08 | churl1 | GAN8001: ok, this may sound silly, but how do i do that? |
| 19:36.20 | GAN8001 | ~flashing |
| 19:36.21 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:36.24 | churl1 | apt-get update? |
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| 19:36.29 | GAN8001 | Click a link. . . . |
| 19:36.57 | churl1 | GAN8001: i have to flash? |
| 19:37.04 | churl1 | ok, ill read it |
| 19:37.06 | churl1 | :) |
| 19:37.09 | GAN8001 | churl1, depending on which version you're on. |
| 19:37.13 | GAN8001 | But the links will tell you. |
| 19:38.32 | alterego | Dinner time. |
| 19:38.35 | alterego | reset |
| 19:38.38 | alterego | Ooops .. |
| 19:38.54 | lcuk | GAN800, is your beagle puppy still poorly in its box |
| 19:38.58 | churl1 | im on os2008 4.2008.23-14 |
| 19:39.18 | GAN800 | ~ssu |
| 19:39.19 | infobot | i guess ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 19:39.29 | GAN800 | lcuk, yeah, it's up north. |
| 19:41.34 | alterego | eats and sorts out his school/work bag for tomorrow :) |
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| 19:42.31 | TrueJournals | *sigh* Don't remind me of school tomorrow.... |
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| 19:44.59 | Jaffa | 's gonna have a fun day at work and's on the 0653 train in |
| 19:45.22 | Stskeeps | mm, 0725 bus here if i manage to get that early up |
| 19:45.48 | Stskeeps | going into work for the sole purpose of getting out of my apartment |
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| 19:58.20 | TrueJournals | Methinks a freenode server reset...? |
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| 20:05.53 | b-man | MicroB just crashed because of this :) |
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| 20:19.12 | Stskeeps | motherfuckers. someone broke into my basement |
| 20:19.16 | Stskeeps | nothing stolen though |
| 20:19.36 | lcuk | did they tidy up? if so, it was your mum |
| 20:20.24 | lcuk | thats not good though really, how do you know they got in, and can you prevent it in future |
| 20:20.30 | RST38h | Amtrak Photo Contestant Arrested By Amtrak Police |
| 20:20.47 | RST38h | BTW, since when has it become illegal to take pictures of trains? |
| 20:21.06 | RST38h | Sts: They must have left SOMETHING! |
| 20:21.19 | lcuk | depends if he climbed the fence, shimmied along the powerlines and cut away part of the signalling to get a better photo |
| 20:21.21 | RST38h | Sts: A bomb. Or an alien egg. Or just some feces. |
| 20:21.47 | RST38h | lcuk: Not really, has been standing on the platform |
| 20:22.14 | lcuk | fscking jobsworths |
| 20:23.43 | RST38h | had to go to Wiki to translate that =) |
| 20:24.46 | lcuk | dear god, i thought qwerty was joking about my northern |
| 20:24.54 | lcuk | but whats worse is you are further north than me |
| 20:25.22 | RST38h | just further east. or west, depending on which country you count. |
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| 20:36.59 | lcuk | petpeeve: source code files which do not state their utility in the header |
| 20:38.22 | Jaffa | petpeeve: developers working for me who do not *show* any utility |
| 20:39.08 | lcuk | heh jaffa, the promotion getting to you already |
| 20:39.35 | lcuk | or are you talking about maemo developers :P |
| 20:40.09 | Jaffa | they were working for me pre-promotion; but now it's getting worse ;-) |
| 20:40.25 | lcuk | might i interest you in a stronger whip? |
| 20:41.02 | Jaffa | useful to persuade the higher ups that they may need more training ;-) |
| 20:41.53 | lcuk | doesnt sound unreasonable |
| 20:42.46 | lcuk | can i talk to the maemo mail client? |
| 20:42.54 | lcuk | and push stuff into its outbox? |
| 20:43.10 | lcuk | and vice versa |
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| 20:49.30 | Jaffa | not sure |
| 20:50.01 | TrueJournals | Hmmm... I just wrote a very small python daemon to watch for charger events and run scripts if the charger is connected or disconnected ;-) |
| 20:51.11 | qwerty12_N800 | uses acmonitor + a few system() calls for that |
| 20:51.30 | TrueJournals | likes my system better :-P |
| 20:51.48 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P |
| 20:51.50 | TrueJournals | Just drop scripts in /etc/acmon.d/connected.d/ or /etc/acmon.d/disconnected.d/ |
| 20:52.09 | qwerty12_N800 | ooh, that is a nice system indeed |
| 20:52.29 | TrueJournals | Much easier, no? |
| 20:52.47 | glass | nice |
| 20:52.49 | qwerty12_N800 | Can't disagree with that :) |
| 20:53.05 | TrueJournals | I think I'm going to write some connected and disconnected scripts to change the display backlight settings, and then try to package everything up |
| 20:54.00 | TrueJournals | Where did acmonitor store the settings? I'd like to keep compatibility with its settings... |
| 20:54.12 | lcuk | in the registry |
| 20:54.18 | qwerty12_N800 | In gconf |
| 20:54.26 | lcuk | errr sorry, gconf ;) |
| 20:54.29 | qwerty12_N800 | /apps/acmonitor |
| 20:54.46 | TrueJournals | Hmm... I think I need to install acmonitor :-P |
| 20:54.51 | qwerty12_N800 | beats lcuk up until the windows is out of him :p |
| 20:55.25 | lcuk | little boys in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :P |
| 20:55.51 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
| 20:56.00 | lcuk | hows vista doing on yours? |
| 20:56.29 | RST38h | He hasn't defenestrated it yet? |
| 20:56.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Speed is decent, but it's been a week since I booted into it :p |
| 20:57.56 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, there's ossoemailinterface but I don't think it is enough for what you wish to do |
| 20:58.24 | lcuk | theres tinymail, which if the default mail app uses it i should be able to as well |
| 20:58.36 | lcuk | it seems to have the interfaces i need to send mail from |
| 20:59.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Making liqsecuritysystem? :p |
| 20:59.36 | lcuk | no, thinking about my postcards :) |
| 20:59.57 | qwerty12_N800 | nice :) |
| 21:00.07 | GAN8001 | liqos |
| 21:00.08 | lcuk | im tempted to see if a real service could be setup |
| 21:00.19 | GAN8001 | still wants his goddamn refund |
| 21:00.25 | lcuk | where you take a photo, write the postcard and address and have real postcard sent |
| 21:01.40 | lcuk | the only problem there would be the postmark, thats half the appeal of postcards :) |
| 21:02.31 | lcuk | but anyway, sending by email will be a good first step :) |
| 21:03.54 | `0660 | lcuk, are you planning to reimplement mms messages? :) |
| 21:05.05 | lcuk | not at all gan, i just like natural handwriting. you can see emotion and passion and human feeling by looking at how a message is written |
| 21:05.57 | lcuk | something lost when converted to lucida console or whatever |
| 21:06.04 | `0660 | ok. that's something new :) |
| 21:07.02 | lcuk | `0660, ? not really ive wanted to do it for ages, i keep getting stuck on technical issues |
| 21:07.50 | qwerty12_N800 | but then it makes it useless for ransom notes :( |
| 21:08.01 | lcuk | no it doesnt :) |
| 21:08.10 | `0660 | :/ |
| 21:08.21 | lcuk | i still use random notes all the time and do not see that going anywhere |
| 21:08.32 | lcuk | but simply after a photo is taken you can turn it into a postcard |
| 21:08.41 | `0660 | he said ransom :) |
| 21:08.45 | lcuk | or one of another few things |
| 21:08.50 | qwerty12_N800 | I meant ransom as in ransom, not random :p |
| 21:08.51 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:09.15 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you could use my handwriting font and use different letters from different people ;) |
| 21:10.36 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, brilliant plan! I can have the police looking up north when I get caught :p |
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| 21:11.42 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:11.44 | qwerty12_N800 | rather, when they look for the person |
| 21:11.54 | qwerty12_N800 | is having a blonde day :) |
| 21:12.39 | lcuk | so you are feeling same as usual then :P |
| 21:12.54 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, pretty much :p |
| 21:13.20 | lcuk | anyway, now i have the core liqbase stuff pushed away and kinda encapsulated in a library i might get on and do the other stuff i need ontop of it |
| 21:14.09 | lcuk | back in a bit |
| 21:15.53 | Stskeeps | it sucks living in an old dorm where it seems like fuckers can unscrew the bloody handle to get in |
| 21:16.16 | Stskeeps | now it's gently provided with a good old fashioned steel wire lock |
| 21:16.44 | Proteous | electrified door handles FTW |
| 21:16.58 | qwerty12_N800 | yep |
| 21:17.20 | Proteous | people might wonder about the puddle of water in front of your door though |
| 21:17.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, has that router come back online yet? |
| 21:17.55 | TrueJournals | Alright... this seems to work... except if you're using the advanced backlight applet... |
| 21:18.02 | Proteous | as more and more people try to get in, the puddle starts to smell like pee |
| 21:18.48 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: no sadly |
| 21:19.00 | `0660 | :) |
| 21:19.06 | qwerty12_N800 | damn :( |
| 21:19.46 | Stskeeps | they prolly gave up after it didnt work first time |
| 21:19.57 | Stskeeps | (and not noticing there is actually a harddisk inside it :P |
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| 21:23.32 | GAN8001 | TrueJournals, why not provide a patch for adv-backlight? :) |
| 21:23.47 | GAN8001 | Since it's pretty safe to assume a lot of your potential userbase will be. |
| 21:25.04 | TrueJournals | GAN8001: I'd like to make it more expandable than that... An easy way for devs to do ANYTHING when the charger is connected or disconnected |
| 21:25.57 | TrueJournals | Besides, advanced backlight is in C, and... I don't really know C :-\ |
| 21:26.24 | Stslaptop | wouldn't mind seeing a generic event framework that is more sane than powerlaunch |
| 21:26.28 | GAN8001 | Well, at the very least, get with rm_you to make sure it works. |
| 21:27.18 | TrueJournals | Yeah, I'm trying to hack around with changing the gconf values for now, but somethings just not working right... |
| 21:28.08 | qwerty12_N800 | To change the backlight? |
| 21:28.19 | TrueJournals | Yeah... |
| 21:28.20 | Stslaptop | talk to dsme |
| 21:28.20 | Stslaptop | :P |
| 21:28.44 | TrueJournals | Well, it's acting very.. strange... |
| 21:29.01 | TrueJournals | The advanced backlight applet doesn't seem to live-update its gconf value |
| 21:29.33 | qwerty12_N800 | It's a bug fixed in the trunk version |
| 21:29.40 | TrueJournals | Ah... |
| 21:29.54 | TrueJournals | Well working with non-trunk will be very difficult then :-P |
| 21:30.12 | qwerty12_N800 | it'll actually save the setting if you just open its setting window + press ok |
| 21:30.20 | TrueJournals | Yeah, I noticed that |
| 21:30.33 | TrueJournals | Also, the GUI doesn't seem to change if I update the gconf value |
| 21:30.42 | TrueJournals | Is that also fixed in trunk? |
| 21:30.51 | lcuk | its not really a problem is it? |
| 21:31.01 | lcuk | since the gui isnt normally on screen |
| 21:31.05 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm not sure |
| 21:31.13 | lcuk | or do you mean the icon |
| 21:31.17 | TrueJournals | lcuk: It really is... the icon doesn't update to display the different level |
| 21:31.31 | TrueJournals | Plus, if you then open the gui, it still shows the old level, instead of the updated one |
| 21:31.40 | TrueJournals | Which is confusing, to say the least |
| 21:32.00 | lcuk | yes, thats a bug then, i thought you meant live whilst GUI is open, not the indicator icon - i thought that would update naturally anyway |
| 21:32.05 | lcuk | so yeah, that sounds like a bug |
| 21:33.06 | TrueJournals | Anyone in a dev environment want to build the advanced backlight trunk for me? :-P |
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| 21:34.14 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm running it but i don't think i have the space to install dpkg-dev so I can dpkg-repack :/ |
| 21:34.33 | lcuk | "Ancient spirits of evil, transform this decayed form to Jott, the Ever-Living! |
| 21:34.45 | lcuk | jott, we need you to rise up and build the trunk of abl ;) |
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| 21:39.38 | LinuxCode | lcuk, who are you to ask for godly powers to assist you in your quest! |
| 21:39.47 | LinuxCode | Explain or be damned to hell forever! |
| 21:39.50 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:39.51 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 21:40.03 | LinuxCode | ohh and good evening mate |
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| 21:42.40 | Stslaptop | evening cyrus__ |
| 21:42.46 | cyrus__ | What GPS unit does the N810 have and where can I find the driver for it? |
| 21:44.01 | lcuk | LinuxCode, Mumm-ra from thundercats, or by his irc nickname, jott |
| 21:44.10 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 21:44.19 | LinuxCode | you old hacker you! |
| 21:44.33 | LinuxCode | cyrus__, i believe is proprietary |
| 21:45.01 | Stslaptop | yeah, it is |
| 21:45.03 | RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY |
| 21:45.13 | Grackle | DECIMATE, MAIM |
| 21:45.13 | Stskeeps | RST38h: love affair with the 68000 over? |
| 21:45.21 | LinuxCode | RST38h, thats what should happen to all non-FOSS drivers yeah |
| 21:45.37 | RST38h | cyris: N810 has got a 5300 AGPS chip from Texas Instruments. It has got two I2C serial connections to the host system. |
| 21:45.44 | RST38h | cyrus: Feeling better now? |
| 21:45.52 | RST38h | Grackle: But RAPE FIRST. |
| 21:46.00 | Stskeeps | did anyone actually try reverse engineering it? :P |
| 21:46.26 | RST38h | Sts: Why? I think it uses pretty obvious protocols to talk to the host |
| 21:46.33 | qwerty12_N800 | is it even worth the time? :p |
| 21:46.35 | Stskeeps | typical GPS protocol? :P |
| 21:46.39 | RST38h | Sts: Won't be of much help though |
| 21:48.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, it'd still suck? :P |
| 21:48.48 | RST38h | 'm afraid so |
| 21:49.55 | ssvb | ShadowJK: I can finally confirm the Xv performance problem with the latest updates of both diablo and mplayer |
| 21:50.21 | Stskeeps | didn't they add some new stuff in Xomap though, in latest SSU? |
| 21:50.42 | ShadowJK | supposedly optimizations ;-) |
| 21:50.45 | ssvb | ShadowJK: but built-in player runs fine and uses accelerated color conversion function |
| 21:51.20 | ShadowJK | Oddly enough I find mplayer runs better |
| 21:51.24 | ShadowJK | with -vo omapfb |
| 21:51.49 | ShadowJK | built-in player needs a strange amount of time to switch back and forth between fullscreen |
| 21:53.16 | ssvb | ShadowJK: that's a problem of mplayer, using Xv suboptimally :) Or more like now https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1281 workaround stopped working in mplayer |
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| 21:54.23 | ssvb | ShadowJK: probably Xomap now has a bit more strict alignment/size checks which fail for mplayer, I'm going to see what can be done |
| 21:54.45 | ShadowJK | ssvb, that bug report seems to imply that you cant't get full performance unless you fullscreen ignoring aspect? |
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| 21:54.57 | ShadowJK | or encode with black borders to get an image that covers the entire screen? |
| 21:54.59 | ssvb | ShadowJK: the idea is that Xv with direct rendering should have comparable performance to omapfb output |
| 21:55.17 | ssvb | ShadowJK: no, just read a bit more carefully :) |
| 21:55.57 | ssvb | ShadowJK: as I said, that weird color format has 4x2 pixels granularity, and yuy2 has only 2x1 granularity |
| 21:56.51 | ShadowJK | I don't think you get direct to hw even with -dr |
| 21:56.57 | ssvb | ShadowJK: that means if you try to scale or position video overlay on screen, you mush make sure that te top left corner is properly aligned and the size is also multiple of something |
| 21:57.07 | TrueJournals | Hmm... well... I'm doing something wrong, but I've stared at my code too long to figure out what |
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| 21:57.12 | ssvb | ShadowJK: -dr does not provide direct access to hw |
| 21:57.26 | TrueJournals | If anyone wants to look at/play around with it -- http://truejournals.com/pyacmonitor.tgz |
| 21:57.36 | ssvb | ShadowJK: it just gets rid of extra memcpy operation |
| 21:57.54 | ShadowJK | isn't that just a codec -> vo memcpy? |
| 21:58.03 | ShadowJK | not that I remember very well |
| 21:58.26 | ssvb | ShadowJK: there is no point accessing framebuffer directly for video just because hw does not support planar yv12 format |
| 21:58.27 | TrueJournals | I have a feeling my asynchronous execution in python isn't working as it should, but I'm not sure how to fix it :-\ |
| 21:58.38 | ShadowJK | must ask dalias in #mplayerdev when he appears about it :-) |
| 21:59.07 | ssvb | ShadowJK: about what? |
| 21:59.20 | ssvb | ShadowJK: does he know anything about maemo port? |
| 21:59.30 | ShadowJK | what -dr in mplayer does |
| 22:00.08 | ssvb | ShadowJK: you can ask me instead :) http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/dr-methods.txt |
| 22:02.32 | lcuk | ssvb, would you happen to have the planarYUV -> omapfbchunky function on hand, academic interest has piqued and it would save me digging |
| 22:03.15 | ssvb | ShadowJK: the idea is that we have Xv buffers in yv12 format and mplayer decodes video directly into them, these buffers are also visible from Xomap because they use shared memory, Xomap runs color format conversion from these buffers into the framebuffer |
| 22:03.46 | ssvb | ShadowJK: so no extra copies are required |
| 22:04.53 | ShadowJK | And in the omapfb case? |
| 22:04.58 | ssvb | ShadowJK: if the hw supported yv12 natively, that would be another story and the direct framebuffer access would have an advantage |
| 22:05.14 | ssvb | ShadowJK: it's all the same, only without interprocess communication |
| 22:05.18 | GAN8001 | Jaffa, I wonder if it has something to do with accumulating ammo to convince Nokia that openness can be productive? |
| 22:07.02 | ssvb | ShadowJK: that's why direct rendering should be almost as fast as omapfb (interprocess communication should have a bit of overhead, but this should not be very noticeable), if everything is working right of course :) |
| 22:07.09 | ShadowJK | ssvb, though theoretically it could do YV12->native in one step without first decoding into a YV12 buffer and then converting the YV12 buffer to a the native fb? |
| 22:07.15 | Jaffa | GAN8001: Perhaps. But it's also been pointed out a few times (by people including myself) that you can't just mandate *receiving* openness. It's a two-way street, and saying "tell us what to do" isn't inviting a sensible guided conversation. They're still supposed to be the experts. A *much* better starting point would be "we've identified problems X, Y and Z. We think we can solve these by doing A & B. It'd help if you did C. What do you think? Is this achi |
| 22:08.13 | ssvb | ShadowJK: that's very theoretical question, the decoder should support output to this weird format natively, which is PITA to implement and nobody is going to do that |
| 22:08.13 | GAN8001 | Cut off at "Is this achi" |
| 22:08.19 | GAN8001 | And, yes, I agree with you. |
| 22:08.28 | Jaffa | "achievable within timescale D?" |
| 22:08.34 | GAN8001 | I'm pondering out the motives. |
| 22:08.58 | Jaffa | I suspect you may be right in the motive. It's the one which makes most sense |
| 22:08.59 | lcuk | ShadowJK, yes, but thats a very specific and long winded method, the function for converting is very optimized to handling full frames, manipulating individual pixels in the strange format is slower overall because its not aligned |
| 22:09.11 | ssvb | ShadowJK: moreover, video decoders are using planar formats and decode each color component separately, decoding directly to packed format can have extra overhead |
| 22:09.18 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 22:09.19 | Jaffa | Or, alternatively, this *is* an attempt at being open. Just not a very good one ;-) |
| 22:09.27 | Stslaptop | discussing igor's post? :P |
| 22:09.37 | Jaffa | Not specifically :) |
| 22:09.40 | GAN8001 | It may also be trying to enable us by giving us the opportunity to step up. |
| 22:09.44 | GAN8001 | But I don't much like it. |
| 22:10.05 | lcuk | ShadowJK, i was asked the same thing about liqbase, its entirely possible to draw on the compressed planes but its very messy and not optimizable in the same logical manner |
| 22:10.06 | GAN8001 | I'd rather see them bring some strong leadership that we rally around. |
| 22:10.15 | Jaffa | It's a bit unguided. It feels like a "step up, or we'll go back to how it was before" ultimatum. |
| 22:10.55 | ssvb | lcuk: check https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libswscale_nokia770/?root=mplayer |
| 22:11.00 | GAN8001 | Jaffa, anyway, I think it's something that needs an extended blog analysis. |
| 22:11.15 | lcuk | thanks ssvb :) |
| 22:11.31 | ShadowJK | I know in the case of having YV12 framebuffer, MPlayer can request the codec to output in smaller slices instead of whole frame at once, and push these smaller pieces through the filterchain and into the HW. This is supposedly faster because it stays in cache throughout the chain, and might be where the supposed speed advantage vs Xv comes from |
| 22:11.36 | Jaffa | Potentially inflamatory. I'll start thinking some more. What else could paternity leave be for? (Apart from keeping popping on to the work VPN to check how broken things are getting ;-/) |
| 22:11.47 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 22:12.09 | GAN8001 | Well, inflammatory isn't necessarily undesirable. ;) |
| 22:12.17 | GAN8001 | But if the approach is right. . . . |
| 22:12.17 | Jaffa | True :) |
| 22:12.25 | ssvb | ShadowJK: slices based decoding is a bad idea for mplayer (at least for omapfb output) |
| 22:12.42 | GAN8001 | "This is the problem I think I might see. Let's talk about it." |
| 22:13.09 | lcuk | heh ssvb, it might lead to a new fad in tearing : even sliced pieces of different frames :D |
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| 22:14.21 | ssvb | ShadowJK: the point is that we want to have a complete frame at once and push it to the framebuffer, if we try to output the first slice, it would stall waiting till the previous screen update is complete in order to be sure that we can overwrite the previous frame in the framebuffer |
| 22:14.46 | ssvb | ShadowJK: also the size of data cache is too small on ARM11 to benefit from slice based decoding |
| 22:15.50 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:16.02 | ShadowJK | actually it doesn't even work with slices |
| 22:16.18 | Jaffa | GAN8001: pasted a bit of this into an email; since I should go to bed. |
| 22:16.21 | Jaffa | g'night all |
| 22:16.25 | Stskeeps | gnite jaffa |
| 22:16.26 | ssvb | ShadowJK: yes, I was lazy to implement it :) |
| 22:16.38 | ShadowJK | (xv) |
| 22:17.08 | ssvb | ShadowJK: omapfb just does not display anything if you try slice based decoding |
| 22:17.37 | ssvb | ShadowJK: though showing a scary error message would be a good idea too |
| 22:18.05 | ShadowJK | hm, no way to tell mplayer that vo can not accept slices? |
| 22:18.43 | ssvb | maybe, but as I said, I was just lazy and focused on other things |
| 22:18.47 | ShadowJK | hey, slices and yuy2 xv works :-) |
| 22:19.18 | ssvb | yuy2 xv is irrelevant, it is never going to be fast on internet tablets :) |
| 22:19.52 | ssvb | well, at least on currently released internet tablets :) |
| 22:20.05 | ShadowJK | And you'd hope the next ones have YV12 |
| 22:21.44 | Stskeeps | any good debian packagers around? if i have package X which i'll replace with package Y, which is a drop-in replacement, you'd think i could do provides/replaces/conflicts in package Y with package X.. but what about the packages depending on X (>= some version)? :P |
| 22:22.01 | ShadowJK | it'd be cool to get omapfb into mplayer trunk, and other changes |
| 22:22.32 | ssvb | ShadowJK: it would be also cool if direct rendering was working reliably |
| 22:22.56 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 22:23.30 | ssvb | ShadowJK: it's a bit fragile and sometimes can be buggy with subtitles, also if you have menu enabled, it gets turned off internally and does not provide any speed improvement |
| 22:23.57 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:24.11 | ssvb | ShadowJK: mplayer with direct rendering and using xv that is reliable and has the same performance as omapfb would be the best solution |
| 22:25.07 | ssvb | ShadowJK: just because it plays nice with X server, does not have visual glitches and can be embedded into windows for use with different gui frontends |
| 22:25.13 | ssvb | canola for example |
| 22:25.52 | ShadowJK | OSD and subs flicker or don't appear on "normal" Xv displays too :-) |
| 22:26.50 | ssvb | ShadowJK: OSD and subs can work fine with direct rendering if implemented right |
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| 22:27.06 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 22:28.24 | Toba | hey guys, anyone here develop gui python apps for maemo? |
| 22:28.38 | Toba | i'm looking for a version of libnotify, for popping up notifications |
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| 22:29.21 | alterego | This backup is taking a little longer than I first anticipated. |
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| 22:29.33 | Toba | if it's a lot of files, that could certainly happen |
| 22:29.45 | ShadowJK | ssvb, so what's the story with ao_gst? |
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| 22:31.22 | ssvb | ShadowJK: it has absolutely no future :) |
| 22:31.35 | ShadowJK | hm? :-) |
| 22:32.00 | alterego | 13G left to go. |
| 22:32.07 | ssvb | shadowJK: that was a hack to use MP3 binary DSP decoder, unfortunately it did not have any public API except gstreamer, so gstreamer wrapper had to be used |
| 22:32.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Toba, does it have to be libnotify? the hildon way is hildon.hildon_banner_show_information (but i'm not a dev so...) |
| 22:32.42 | ssvb | ShadowJK: that's entirely bad idea, but it worked fine on Nokia 770 |
| 22:32.52 | Toba | oh, i guess i should make a branch for a hildon version of my app |
| 22:33.25 | ssvb | ShadowJK: the right solution is to develop open source DSP decoders and use them :) |
| 22:33.54 | ShadowJK | how come the gstreamer thing no longer works? :-) |
| 22:34.22 | ssvb | ShadowJK: because mplayer uses gstreamer not in the way it was intended to work |
| 22:34.46 | ssvb | ShadowJK: something got broken with gstreamer stack update on N8x0 |
| 22:36.35 | ssvb | ShadowJK: or it is better to say, it is not compatible with this hack anymore |
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| 22:36.43 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 22:36.55 | ssvb | ShadowJK: by the way, I was flamed quite badly by gstreamer developers when I tried to get some information whether it is possible to make this stuff work better |
| 22:37.05 | ShadowJK | I'm not surprised |
| 22:38.12 | D_Zirt | can anyone help me fix this infinite loop on my 770, all I did was install usbutils and it wont even boot to the desktop at all now |
| 22:38.31 | ShadowJK | but it sounds so easy in theory "gstreamer can play mp3, right" |
| 22:38.34 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 22:40.54 | ssvb | ShadowJK: That's like one would try to hammer in nails using a microscope (just because there was no better tool available), and then asking microscope manufacturers if there could be done something about making it a bit better suitable for this purpose too :) |
| 22:42.19 | ssvb | ShadowJK: gstreamer is designed to have full control over video playback, I just wanted to get it out of the way and do decoding entirely under mplayer control |
| 22:43.08 | ssvb | s/video/multimedia/ |
| 22:47.17 | TrueJournals | w00t! I fixed my pyacmonitor by adding a really complicated asynchronous process executing class |
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| 23:12.46 | alterego | 2 minutes until ubuntu reinstallation. |
| 23:13.55 | GAN8001 | Woo! |
| 23:14.11 | alterego | Yeah, wish me luck ;) |
| 23:15.47 | alterego | Here we go |
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| 23:20.09 | b-man | i updated my Ubuntu guide to include apt-pinning to speed up the install prosess ;) - http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 |
| 23:24.40 | D_Zirt | anyone know how to fix an infinite reboot loop on a 770? |
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| 23:28.28 | Stskeeps | reflash? |
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| 23:31.29 | GAN8001 | ~flashing |
| 23:31.30 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 23:31.52 | D_Zirt | it reboots before I have time to reflash |
| 23:32.06 | D_Zirt | Im thinking I have to disable watchdog whatever that is |
| 23:37.41 | AStorm | D_Zirt, just hold the home button while booting |
| 23:37.54 | AStorm | it will enter the special flashing mode |
| 23:39.04 | mavhc | the "oh crap I've forgotton to backup my files and now they're gone" button |
| 23:39.29 | D_Zirt | ya I tried that |
| 23:39.59 | D_Zirt | I just did a 'flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R |
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| 23:41.21 | GAN8001 | D_Zirt, follow the instructions on the wiki. :) |
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| 23:46.58 | D_Zirt | ok, so I disbaled th lifeguard reset, but it still reboots when I try to flash it |
| 23:47.46 | mavhc | so you're in flashing usb mode, why would it even be trying to boot? |
| 23:49.01 | D_Zirt | Im trying to re-flash because it Wont boot |
| 23:49.47 | GAN8001 | Again, follow the instructions on the wiki. |
| 23:49.58 | GAN8001 | If you disabled the lifeguard, you can flash. . . . |
| 23:50.21 | D_Zirt | I did disable lifeguard |
| 23:50.40 | GAN8001 | Which is just flashing with a different set of arguments. |
| 23:50.47 | D_Zirt | and now when I try to flash it just restarts it and takes it out of usb mode |
| 23:50.58 | GAN8001 | Is the battery dead? |
| 23:51.20 | D_Zirt | I hope not, it was sitting plugged in for several hours |
| 23:51.38 | D_Zirt | at least it was supposed to be charging, it just kept resetting |
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