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| 00:11.15 | MakeGho | Is it possible to get a bt mouse to work on n810? I'd need some way to create an external device for clicking a button on a web page ;) |
| 00:11.49 | MakeGho | Transforming my n810 into a chess timer for sure. |
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| 00:18.25 | Ulysses222 | forgot who ask but you can remove or add sidebar and bottom scrolling with gconf settings |
| 00:18.34 | Ulysses222 | in xterminal |
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| 01:17.43 | robink | Anyone know if the only compiler for the TI DSP used in the OMAP (the TMS320s) is TI's? |
| 01:21.01 | robink | misses lardman |
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| 01:25.44 | alterego | wonders how to access the GPS. |
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| 01:38.21 | alterego | Heh, done it :) |
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| 01:44.20 | alterego | Now to pass the NMEA data. |
| 01:44.28 | alterego | Erm .. ~parse ;) |
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| 01:52.34 | pupnik | what is NMEA alterego ? |
| 01:52.54 | alterego | National Marine Electronics Association |
| 01:53.05 | alterego | It's the format that GPS's generally communicate to other devices with. |
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| 01:53.37 | alterego | If you've got your N810 handy, open a terminal do 'cat /dev/pgps' then start nokia maps and you'll see it. |
| 01:53.41 | pupnik | is there a c library that does it? |
| 01:53.42 | alterego | It's quite a simple protocol :) |
| 01:54.04 | alterego | Almost certainly, I thought it'd be fun to write my own ruby implementation though :) |
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| 02:02.41 | pupnik | yes it would |
| 02:02.58 | pupnik | then we'll make a quick and dirty pac man game |
| 02:02.59 | pupnik | with the gps |
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| 02:03.11 | pupnik | to play in parking lots |
| 02:05.03 | sanchiii | hi there |
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| 02:05.52 | b-man | (random information) - merinstaller1.2.1-1.armel.deb successfuly built. - now hopfully everyone can install mer now :) |
| 02:06.04 | sanchiii | can someone explain me a (probably stupid) thing in python setuptools? |
| 02:06.36 | b-man | websplit! |
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| 02:09.16 | sanchiii | how can I set data_files and script_files easily without specifying them all separately when I use python setuptools and bdist_maemo? |
| 02:11.03 | sanchiii | e.g. if i have a python lib which is using setuptools, python setup.py bdist_dumb works fine, but python setup.py bdist_maemo is does not. |
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| 02:17.20 | born2wonder_N810 | hey every1. any updates on where to get mer to test? |
| 02:18.50 | b-man | i've just built a deb for the merinstaller :) |
| 02:19.18 | b-man | merinstaller1.2.1-1.armel.deb |
| 02:19.41 | born2wonder_N810 | thank you! is it available in the feeds or go i wget it from somewhere |
| 02:20.08 | b-man | i'll have to upload it, just a sec... |
| 02:20.20 | born2wonder_N810 | thanks! |
| 02:21.23 | lcuk | b-man, will this destroy my tablet contents or are there any other strange things i should watch out for |
| 02:21.47 | b-man | na, it's safe :) |
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| 02:22.06 | b-man | even though it's a beta1 build |
| 02:22.21 | b-man | http://rapidshare.com/files/179221896/merinstaller1.2.1-1.armel.deb.html |
| 02:22.29 | alterego | Oooo. |
| 02:22.47 | born2wonder_N810 | thank you so much! |
| 02:23.24 | b-man | let me know if you have problems - fsdisk has a tendency to not load partition tables. |
| 02:23.40 | b-man | edit; sfdisk ;p |
| 02:24.34 | born2wonder_N810 | i will update you with how the install goes soon (hopefully) |
| 02:24.47 | b-man | ok :) |
| 02:25.58 | b-man | also, that rapidshare mirror is only temporary - you can only download 10 times :p |
| 02:26.15 | b-man | so i'll send it to stskeeps ;) |
| 02:26.17 | born2wonder_N810 | glad i got mine :p |
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| 02:28.57 | lcuk | b-man, for your sanity, please warn people on the installer/descriptions this is destructive to a memory card. nothing else they install currently has the capability to wipe out everything on there |
| 02:29.41 | b-man | it does have a warning at installer startup. |
| 02:29.51 | b-man | in xterm |
| 02:30.54 | b-man | but i shuld add it to the discription in the deb. |
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| 02:32.10 | born2wonder_N810 | almost done backing up |
| 02:32.31 | lcuk | b-man, very cool though :) impressed that you have an actual installer and are selecting memory cards and stuff |
| 02:32.46 | b-man | thanks :) |
| 02:32.53 | lcuk | would be handy to create a simple version to just do boot from mmc |
| 02:33.45 | b-man | it does; simple install option and refresh_bootmenu.d :) |
| 02:33.50 | lcuk | its always been just too many ancient incantations and risk of cocking up thats prevented me from havin a go |
| 02:35.16 | b-man | in simpler terms, you don't trust my installer just yet. i understand :) |
| 02:36.25 | lcuk | no, i meant the boot from mmc thing |
| 02:36.35 | lcuk | i do *all* liqbase dev work directly on my only insertable mmc |
| 02:36.54 | b-man | oh |
| 02:36.56 | lcuk | theres no way in hell anything is going near that, but i imagine if my luke got hold of it i would lose it all |
| 02:37.17 | b-man | heh |
| 02:38.05 | lcuk | hence the warnings, theres nothing out there easily accessible which is interested in vaping the mmc, theres a lot of buzz about mer |
| 02:39.19 | lcuk | as b-man, you see its not you specifically, i applaud your efforts and think your script is 100% along the right lines |
| 02:40.01 | alterego | I really need to get into a good sleeping pattern for work on Monday. |
| 02:40.12 | b-man | heh |
| 02:40.34 | b-man | born2wonder_N810, how are things going? |
| 02:41.01 | born2wonder_N810 | just had to move some thing from my memory card. didnt start yet |
| 02:42.43 | b-man | if you chose advancde install, don't use fsdisk - it has issues ;) |
| 02:43.05 | born2wonder_N810 | thnx, ill keep that in mind |
| 02:45.02 | lcuk | gtk, does it do its rendering over the normal x11 drawing interface, ie using x11 remoting does gtk go through it? |
| 02:45.43 | b-man | it uses gxmessage and zenity ;) |
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| 02:46.37 | lcuk | i meant gtk itself :P |
| 02:48.16 | b-man | it does it's rendering over x11 and sends messages va numbers. e.g. 1,2,3. |
| 02:48.46 | b-man | with case and if,then,else. |
| 02:49.07 | born2wonder_N810 | b-man; im going to partition my external memory card through cfdisk in maemo. i will create a root ext3 partition and a swap one and maybe some fat partition as well. i wanna know if i have to put them in some specific order or the installed will let m choose? |
| 02:49.22 | born2wonder_N810 | installer* |
| 02:50.07 | b-man | if you chose advancde installer, it will let you chose your partition layout. |
| 02:50.29 | born2wonder_N810 | thnx, coz i prefer manually doing it. |
| 02:51.10 | lcuk | sadist |
| 02:51.41 | b-man | sadist? |
| 02:51.47 | born2wonder_N810 | lol |
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| 02:52.39 | born2wonder_N810 | its not really more painfull or more work to me, i enjoy it |
| 02:55.02 | b-man | oh f*ck, stop!!!! i did not include partitions.lst!!! |
| 02:55.14 | b-man | hold on |
| 02:56.59 | b-man | edit; never mind, it's there, phwe. :p |
| 02:57.23 | lcuk | b-man, open the window a bit, and perhaps its best if you change your underwear |
| 02:58.31 | AStorm | :P |
| 02:58.46 | b-man | hehe, i'm just a little jumpy because this is the first deb. |
| 02:59.47 | lcuk | heh |
| 02:59.57 | b-man | being too careful ;) |
| 03:00.45 | b-man | wow, i did not know i could doo that in irc 0_o |
| 03:00.52 | b-man | with /me |
| 03:02.03 | alterego | I thought it would be nice to write a small desktop applet that showed GPS information |
| 03:02.10 | AStorm | new to this whole interne stuff, eh? |
| 03:02.33 | alterego | Nice little exercise for experimenting with ruby-maemo development. |
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| 03:13.49 | b-man | born2wonder_n810; what's the status? |
| 03:14.44 | born2wonder_N810 | yah , just had to fix my apt-get |
| 03:14.48 | born2wonder_N810 | done with that |
| 03:15.35 | born2wonder_N810 | apt-get problems sometimes get very annoying |
| 03:15.54 | b-man | depenency issues? |
| 03:16.48 | born2wonder_N810 | yah, solved most now down to adblock |
| 03:17.14 | born2wonder_N810 | have to edit to commet a line in its postrm script |
| 03:25.05 | b-man | is pondering on how he can fix the xserver-xorg/vertual-keyboard issue in Ubuntu |
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| 03:30.37 | alterego | NOLOCK lat: 0.000000 lon: 0.000000 alt: 0.000000 |
| 03:30.40 | alterego | Useful .. ^_^ |
| 03:30.48 | AStorm | not |
| 03:30.57 | b-man | lol |
| 03:31.06 | AStorm | rip out starmap code from maemo-mapper |
| 03:31.15 | AStorm | now that's nice |
| 03:31.19 | alterego | Why? I've wrote my parser now :P |
| 03:31.28 | alterego | It's in Ruby too :P |
| 03:31.32 | AStorm | parser for what? |
| 03:31.37 | alterego | NMEA |
| 03:31.45 | AStorm | mhm |
| 03:31.53 | AStorm | so draw the starmap :) |
| 03:32.14 | alterego | Stars? |
| 03:32.18 | AStorm | sats |
| 03:32.28 | alterego | Ah, right. I was going to do that. |
| 03:32.42 | b-man | decided that it is a good time to start writing a tortal for installing ubuntu on the tablets. |
| 03:32.57 | alterego | It is a good time. DO IT NOW! |
| 03:33.07 | b-man | heh, ok |
| 03:33.38 | alterego | Well, appearantly there are 8 satellites in view. Though that's the maximum the chip can handle. |
| 03:34.15 | alterego | Now to write something that can plot azimuth and elevation onto a nice circle. |
| 03:34.30 | AStorm | chip can handle 11 |
| 03:34.38 | b-man | if born2wonder_n810 shows up, tell him i'll be back in a while ;) |
| 03:34.46 | alterego | That's not what I'm seeing. |
| 03:34.49 | AStorm | and I sometimes see as much |
| 03:35.01 | AStorm | probably not that many in view right now :) |
| 03:35.01 | alterego | 11 .. Odd number. |
| 03:36.08 | alterego | It's 3:30am I'm in the bath, and I'm hacking a GPS program. This is the life :) |
| 03:36.14 | AStorm | better than 43 of others :P |
| 03:36.16 | lcuk | is it simply accepted that gtk is not the fastest tool in the book |
| 03:36.40 | alterego | No, not the fastest, but performance to weight ratio is good :P |
| 03:36.54 | AStorm | nah |
| 03:37.02 | AStorm | fltk's better at that |
| 03:37.17 | alterego | Gtk is awesome .. |
| 03:37.21 | alterego | hugs Gtk. |
| 03:37.39 | alterego | Bit of a pig if you're not using a high level language though. |
| 03:37.52 | AStorm | nah |
| 03:38.07 | AStorm | it is extremely paining |
| 03:38.13 | alterego | Nope. |
| 03:38.14 | lcuk | i come from vb, i think in c - im kinda used to (dare i say it) speed with my core widgets |
| 03:38.31 | alterego | Gtk is easy as pie in Ruby |
| 03:38.35 | AStorm | alterego, it's too low level at times |
| 03:38.47 | AStorm | you haven't done any fun stuff with it then |
| 03:38.57 | lcuk | AStorm, i dont mind low level - i expect to do that for performance |
| 03:39.03 | alterego | Except Gtk::TreeView, that boggles the mind no matter what language you use. |
| 03:39.26 | AStorm | meh |
| 03:39.37 | AStorm | it's just enforced MVC |
| 03:39.44 | AStorm | like in stupid swing |
| 03:40.03 | alterego | I know what it is .. |
| 03:41.04 | lcuk | ok, next question - can i poke an xv window through a widget sized hole if i had to? |
| 03:41.45 | AStorm | yes |
| 03:41.55 | AStorm | even opengl |
| 03:42.23 | lcuk | im thinking throw away 50% of my code by simply using gtk, but keep the things which need speed (sketching/bookreader/graffitiwall) |
| 03:43.14 | lcuk | oh crap, that still doesnt work because i would still need to keep my tile class to handle the graffiti sketches |
| 03:43.27 | alterego | lcuk: I'll be interested to see how your software evolves with hardware accelerated graphics ;) |
| 03:43.35 | alterego | That is if you plan on obtaining the next tablet. |
| 03:45.02 | lcuk | alterego, in lieu of an omap3, i ported and compiled liqbase 0.1.5 to a pentium m tablet pc running enforced in powersave mode at 798mhz and screen res 1024*768 |
| 03:45.16 | lcuk | it runs like a dream |
| 03:45.24 | alterego | I meant bringing in the 3D eye candy :P |
| 03:45.55 | lcuk | tell me where i need eye candy :) i seem to have done pretty well so far |
| 03:46.52 | AStorm | 3D is useless :) |
| 03:47.02 | AStorm | we need compositing instead |
| 03:47.07 | lcuk | we have never needed 3d for presentation and in many ways gets in the way. opengl hardware accel will be utilised for texture rendering and glitz effects rather than for 3d |
| 03:47.13 | lcuk | yeah |
| 03:47.42 | AStorm | and for Quake :P |
| 03:48.04 | lcuk | gaming is different though :P UT ftw! |
| 03:48.14 | alterego | With OGL and S-Video out, I'm going to hook up a wii mote and have some serious fun O_O |
| 03:48.17 | lcuk | actually, nowadays its Portal! |
| 03:48.44 | AStorm | crysis? call of duty? |
| 03:49.11 | lcuk | nahh not for me |
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| 03:49.23 | johnx | lcuk++ |
| 03:49.27 | johnx | mornin' all |
| 03:49.38 | johnx | very good taste in games sir :) |
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| 03:49.47 | lcuk | i want new tablet for the camera, i want to snap a pic and write a message on the back |
| 03:50.34 | lcuk | if i could get this n800 flashed i would feel better |
| 03:50.38 | johnx | that would be kind of a neat interface. Do JPEGs have a "Notes" or "Comments" field? |
| 03:50.38 | AStorm | mmmh |
| 03:50.40 | lcuk | i could model the UI |
| 03:50.50 | AStorm | EXIF has |
| 03:50.55 | johnx | ah, right |
| 03:50.59 | johnx | was forgetting the name |
| 03:51.09 | lcuk | yeah and as part of the flickr api you can send up tags and notes |
| 03:51.37 | johnx | I can imagine a really slick 3D UI for it too |
| 03:51.43 | lcuk | damn tags |
| 03:51.50 | johnx | tags are awesome :P |
| 03:52.05 | lcuk | no, i keep thinking about the file format for liqbase tagging |
| 03:52.30 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 03:53.07 | AStorm | johnx, no, cubes are bling |
| 03:53.18 | born2wonder_N810 | b-man, i fanially tried to install using dpkg but ran into dependency problems requiring zenity and bootmenu |
| 03:53.20 | AStorm | and usability nightmare |
| 03:53.45 | johnx | AStorm, not cubes. just touch the corner of the pic, it flips and on the reverse side are your notes |
| 03:54.13 | AStorm | what do you need 3D for? |
| 03:54.14 | johnx | lcuk, have you tried f-spot on linux? I thought it had a pretty nice interface for tagging photos |
| 03:54.42 | johnx | AStorm, to make it look snazzy while flipping. it only needs to be an optional dependency |
| 03:54.57 | AStorm | meh |
| 03:55.06 | AStorm | you can do that in 2D |
| 03:55.18 | AStorm | wolfenstein 3D did that |
| 03:55.20 | AStorm | :P |
| 03:55.29 | johnx | ok, snazyy, not retro :P |
| 03:55.35 | alterego | I'm going to write a snazzy 3D satellite view. |
| 03:55.39 | AStorm | still snazzy |
| 03:55.46 | AStorm | alterego, hehe |
| 03:55.54 | alterego | Maybe something in a similar vein to the Elite scanner ^_^ |
| 03:56.09 | AStorm | johnx, I mean, you don't need hardware accel for that |
| 03:56.14 | lcuk | johnx, just looking now - same problem there as with anything desktop, the ui is too complex for smallscreen |
| 03:56.26 | lcuk | i think ive got it right |
| 03:56.28 | johnx | AStorm, prove it to me. code it up :D muahaha |
| 03:56.30 | lcuk | but i was in a code freeze |
| 03:56.43 | lcuk | on the branch i couldv tried it on |
| 03:56.45 | AStorm | johnx, sorry, unless you pay for it |
| 03:57.08 | johnx | lcuk, right, but the tagging interface. drag your most used tags from the bar on the left to a photo or a selection of photos |
| 03:57.10 | lcuk | which phone has the gps radar? |
| 03:57.22 | AStorm | is a greedy bastard |
| 03:57.26 | lcuk | yeah i think i posted something similar |
| 03:57.30 | alterego | GPS radar? |
| 03:57.36 | alterego | That sounds kind of cool ^_^ |
| 03:57.40 | AStorm | see, the next Nokia device can't pay for itself |
| 03:57.45 | AStorm | meh, radar? |
| 03:58.26 | AStorm | it's not a radar, but a normal radio |
| 03:58.26 | AStorm | same as the one we have in n810, but less sucky |
| 03:58.55 | alterego | What are you talking about AStorm? |
| 03:59.05 | alterego | You mean a GPS receiver? |
| 03:59.36 | alterego | I don't think that's what lcuk was talking about. |
| 03:59.53 | lcuk | johnx, theres the other problem of people wanting to keep visual tags as well as textual ones, but thats a bit easier to overcome |
| 03:59.59 | alterego | was thinking about a satellite view that looked like a stereotypical radar screen .. |
| 04:00.07 | lcuk | yeah me too |
| 04:01.18 | AStorm | meh, ui |
| 04:01.18 | johnx | lcuk, the f-spot UI had that dealt with as well. you could associate an "emblem" with a tag |
| 04:01.53 | lcuk | yeah, like i can in liqbase ;) easier |
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| 04:02.11 | johnx | lcuk, but yes, that sounds like an awesome program for taking pics, tagging and uploading, inside one app :) |
| 04:02.35 | AStorm | lcuk, ah, and improve scribbling |
| 04:02.45 | AStorm | make it multipage with smooth scrolling |
| 04:02.49 | AStorm | :) |
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| 04:02.57 | lcuk | whats wrong with scribbling |
| 04:03.21 | orifice | are there any midi tracking apps for maemo ? I did a quick search but only one thread came up on ITT and there weren't any results |
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| 04:03.34 | AStorm | that xournal has it done better :> |
| 04:03.51 | AStorm | (except its file format, which sucks |
| 04:04.02 | AStorm | and that it loads all pages at once) |
| 04:05.18 | lcuk | ok, a bit slower, whats wrong with scribbling - speed thickness options priority? its a simple pen based tool at present |
| 04:05.48 | AStorm | apart from hard pages, nothing |
| 04:05.49 | AStorm | :) |
| 04:05.49 | lcuk | file format, which sucks mine or xournal? tell me what you would like |
| 04:05.56 | AStorm | xournal's sucks |
| 04:06.11 | lcuk | ahh pdf, mines worse - at least xournal is documented |
| 04:06.11 | AStorm | and I'd love to have easy smooth page switching |
| 04:06.18 | lcuk | ill add svg output to this one |
| 04:06.19 | alterego | doesn't think AStorm likes a anything. |
| 04:06.23 | AStorm | not pdf |
| 04:06.30 | AStorm | it can export to pdf |
| 04:06.42 | AStorm | default temp format is something other |
| 04:06.53 | AStorm | and esp. xournal's handling of it |
| 04:07.27 | alterego | 4am and I'm still in the bath coding O_O |
| 04:07.39 | lcuk | johnx, ill look more carefully tomorrow, theres a reason you are mentioning ill find out why |
| 04:07.46 | AStorm | Waterproof n810? gimme :) |
| 04:07.57 | alterego | Laptop actually :P |
| 04:08.11 | alterego | Not really water proof, I do worry about the humidity .. |
| 04:08.23 | lcuk | does it have a floating point processor? or did it sink |
| 04:08.29 | alterego | :D |
| 04:08.30 | johnx | lcuk, no rush :) it mostly has a good workflow and I could imagine it working well on a tablet with most of the features cut out :) |
| 04:08.57 | lcuk | well ill dig into it properly |
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| 04:09.14 | alterego | $PNOKU .. That looks like a Nokia proprietary sentence |
| 04:09.48 | born2wonder_ | srry got d/c so i will ask again. does any1 know where to get the bootmenu that is required as a dependency by the mer deb installer |
| 04:11.00 | johnx | born2wonder, one sec |
| 04:11.13 | born2wonder_ | sure |
| 04:11.18 | alterego | Heh "magnetic variation" ^_^ |
| 04:13.44 | johnx | born2wonder, it might be simplest to install the "deblet installer" from here: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet#InstallationguidefortheNokiaN8x0s |
| 04:14.23 | johnx | that won't install deblet, just the installer for it |
| 04:14.33 | johnx | then you will have bootmenu and anything it depends on |
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| 04:15.17 | born2wonder_ | yah google was returning deblet results. well easy enough solution thank you. yah i aware about the installer , i had deblet b4. |
| 04:15.35 | johnx | ah, ok. :) just wanted to prevent confusion |
| 04:15.36 | lcuk | heres the b-man himself, he could tell you |
| 04:15.53 | born2wonder_ | appreciated :) |
| 04:15.53 | b-man | heh, hello |
| 04:16.09 | lcuk | b-man, how do you recover data off an mmc after ... only joking, easy one for you |
| 04:16.38 | b-man | hehe |
| 04:17.18 | johnx | ah, the wonderful world of data recovery |
| 04:17.39 | b-man | am i missing something here? |
| 04:17.46 | lcuk | <born2wonder_N810> b-man, i fanially tried to install using dpkg but ran into dependency problems requiring zenity and bootmenu |
| 04:18.13 | b-man | you need to add the deblet repo. |
| 04:18.40 | lcuk | :D |
| 04:19.21 | alterego | tests his console based GPS logger. |
| 04:19.29 | alterego | 11 satellites already :) |
| 04:19.59 | lcuk | b-man, hes just gone to do that - note as part of install instructions or before starting? |
| 04:21.30 | alterego | Woo! It's got a lock ^_^ |
| 04:21.36 | alterego | LOOK AT THAT DATA! |
| 04:22.20 | alterego | In theory, if I shift the decimal point two places, I should be able to input the lat/lon straight into google maps. |
| 04:24.26 | AStorm | mapper does that :P |
| 04:24.58 | b-man | johnx, could you help with this? When ever i try to type anything with xkbd or matchbox-keyboard, my ubuntu desktop keeps restarting. i think it has somthing to do with xorg not being able to find system keymaps. could you help? |
| 04:25.00 | alterego | I'm sure it does lots of things. That's really not interesting. |
| 04:25.15 | alterego | This is written in Ruby, which means it's infinitely better :P |
| 04:25.18 | alterego | chuckles. |
| 04:25.44 | johnx | b-man, let's see. I think you need more stuff from mer :) let me find the package name |
| 04:26.20 | lcuk | gnite fellas :) have fun |
| 04:26.27 | johnx | 'night lcuk |
| 04:26.28 | alterego | g'night |
| 04:26.44 | b-man | see you tomorrow lcuk |
| 04:27.06 | cars__ | Happy New Year, #maemo! |
| 04:27.32 | b-man | happy new year to you too |
| 04:27.33 | johnx | happy new year's cars__ :) |
| 04:28.10 | alterego | Happy New Year .. Though I'm back at work on Monday O_O |
| 04:28.23 | alterego | After four weeks it's going to be a bit weird going back ^_^ |
| 04:28.39 | b-man | i'm back in school monday :P |
| 04:28.48 | b-man | growns |
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| 04:30.31 | b-man | johnx, find it yet? :) |
| 04:30.39 | johnx | should be hal- something |
| 04:31.35 | b-man | looks in mer repo |
| 04:32.25 | cars__ | My N810 is like a new machine with all the gobs of space I have thanks to the clone to SD and Debian. |
| 04:32.47 | AStorm | and then your SD will die |
| 04:32.54 | AStorm | and you can't switch cards |
| 04:33.21 | johnx | cars__, just make sure to backup your filesystem on sd :) |
| 04:33.34 | johnx | AStorm, nah, haven't had that issue much with reliable cards |
| 04:33.55 | AStorm | with switching a cardin use? |
| 04:34.15 | alterego | Interesteing, I never created virtual memory after the last reflash O_O |
| 04:34.41 | johnx | huh, nah, cards dying. and I can switch cards in the external slot just fine while booted to internal :P |
| 04:35.47 | Vulcanis | mmc2 is internal, right? |
| 04:35.52 | johnx | yeah |
| 04:36.29 | alterego | highly confusing. |
| 04:36.52 | johnx | yes. it is. |
| 04:36.59 | cars__ | the only thing is the SD boot doesn't seem to touch the swap partition I made for it. |
| 04:37.04 | johnx | mmcblk0 -> mmc2, mmcblk1 -> mmc1 |
| 04:38.19 | b-man | johnx; no luck in finding enything with hal* :( |
| 04:38.38 | johnx | hang, on. booting into mer |
| 04:38.50 | AStorm | johnx, n810 :P |
| 04:38.53 | AStorm | so? |
| 04:39.09 | johnx | AStorm, so what? :P |
| 04:39.18 | AStorm | 1 slot only |
| 04:39.36 | johnx | no, he can't swap cards. my first point is still valid |
| 04:39.53 | johnx | and it does make recovery from a bad package reboot loop worlds easier |
| 04:40.17 | AStorm | not than a nice initfs |
| 04:40.53 | johnx | AStorm, so you think hacking around on the command line is easier than just restoring from a nightly rsync or tar.gz ? |
| 04:41.11 | AStorm | sftp |
| 04:41.16 | AStorm | use it :) |
| 04:41.36 | johnx | dropbear for initfs doesn't have it |
| 04:41.39 | johnx | IIRC |
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| 04:41.53 | AStorm | it does support scp at least |
| 04:42.19 | johnx | I'd like to see someone else try and restore their rootfs from a backup that way *first* before I trusted it |
| 04:42.46 | johnx | will just be happy moving my $HOME off of / |
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| 04:46.01 | johnx | I mean, will scp handle /dev entries correctly? what about symlinks and hardlinks? |
| 04:48.14 | AStorm | yes |
| 04:48.23 | AStorm | symlinks... hmm |
| 04:48.38 | AStorm | no, it can't do symlinks and hardlinks |
| 04:48.51 | AStorm | but you can send a tarball with it |
| 04:48.58 | johnx | rsync in a card reader will always be easier |
| 04:51.16 | b-man | johnx, have you found it yet??? :) |
| 04:51.45 | johnx | b-man, no I haven't!!! :) |
| 04:51.54 | b-man | hehe |
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| 04:52.38 | b-man | welcome back born2wonder |
| 04:54.44 | johnx | b-man, I'm not even 100% sure it works on mer actually |
| 04:55.26 | b-man | it did when i first installed mer... |
| 04:56.19 | b-man | unless stskeeps changed something... |
| 04:59.02 | johnx | sorry, b-man, no idea right now |
| 04:59.49 | b-man | ok :( :( :( |
| 05:00.17 | b-man | goes nutz |
| 05:00.36 | GAN800 | igor's comment is a bit depressing. |
| 05:01.05 | johnx | b-man, why not base this on mer instead of ubuntu? |
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| 05:02.15 | b-man | because mer uses an ubuntu base? :) |
| 05:02.33 | johnx | yes, and it has all the tablet hardware nicely working |
| 05:02.44 | johnx | instead of trying to hack things out of mer into vanilla ubuntu |
| 05:03.14 | alterego | Damn American date format O_O |
| 05:03.49 | johnx | ahaha....awesome isn't it alterego? though I prefer year-month-day-hours-minutes-etc in UTC |
| 05:03.53 | johnx | makes for better file names |
| 05:03.59 | alterego | :) |
| 05:04.01 | alterego | Me too .. |
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| 05:05.34 | GAN800 | Woo, I broke MicroB again! |
| 05:06.24 | b-man | double post :) |
| 05:06.25 | b-man | mabe i will contact stskeeps on how he got the keyboard working correctly tomorrow... |
| 05:06.27 | b-man | hehe |
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| 05:08.31 | andrewfblack | Hey I'm working one something for tablets using javascript is it possible to make a installer for a html file that will give you a menu shortcut for the file? |
| 05:09.29 | alterego | Hmm, I think it's definitely bed time .. (05:00) |
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| 05:09.43 | GAN800 | also broke Maemo |
| 05:09.54 | johnx | andrewfblack, yes, should be. you can package plain html files in a deb no problem and to launch it send a command to the browser with dbus |
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| 05:11.58 | andrewfblack | johnx thanks |
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| 06:24.17 | fauxmight | Hey guys, where do I look to get a mer image and a brief what-to-do-with-it doc? (Google's not being my friend today.) |
| 06:25.12 | johnx | fauxmight, one sec, let me find it |
| 06:25.43 | fauxmight | thanks johnx (if you remember helping me out with the gentoo project, I'm normally christendoc) |
| 06:26.00 | johnx | ah, yeah, the gentoo guy :) |
| 06:27.03 | johnx | latest: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=253801#post253801 |
| 06:27.09 | fauxmight | many thanks. |
| 06:27.26 | johnx | hopefully soon, I'll get some stuff wrangled and that'll be 0.5 :) |
| 06:28.33 | ds3 | a |
| 06:29.14 | johnx | b |
| 06:29.18 | fauxmight | c |
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| 06:48.04 | johnnyjohnjohn | has anyone ever heard of an iphone theme for maemo? |
| 06:48.29 | johnx | someone was working on a launcher that looks like an iphone for a while |
| 06:48.33 | johnx | called itablet I think |
| 06:48.45 | johnx | not sure if it works in the latest OS |
| 06:49.05 | johnx | and there was a keyboard demo that looked like an iphone as well |
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| 06:49.31 | johnnyjohnjohn | thanks johnx |
| 06:49.41 | johnnyjohnjohn | have you heard of any projects working on new themes? |
| 06:50.43 | johnx | nope |
| 06:50.58 | johnx | are you thinking about trying to make a them? |
| 06:51.28 | johnx | theme* |
| 07:02.24 | johnx | Stskeeps, where would hildon-desktop-env = 0.1-mer5 be found? is it in a bzr repo somewhere? |
| 07:04.32 | johnnyjohnjohn | yeah, I'd like to make a theme |
| 07:05.12 | johnnyjohnjohn | at the moment I'm just looking at what themes have been designed for maemo and other open source mobile platforms |
| 07:05.29 | johnx | theme-maker will help you |
| 07:05.58 | johnx | Also, just a note: There are some people who feel pretty strongly about the iPhone, so just be ready for that :) |
| 07:06.21 | johnnyjohnjohn | yeah, I'm not interested in making an iphone clone |
| 07:06.39 | johnnyjohnjohn | just interested to see if someone rearranged the menus and such |
| 07:06.58 | johnx | ah, that sort of thing. |
| 07:07.34 | johnnyjohnjohn | the close and minimize button in the far right corner is something I want to change as an example |
| 07:07.56 | johnnyjohnjohn | and changing the left sidebar |
| 07:08.01 | johnx | That would be hard to do at the "theme" level for Maemo. To do that you'd need to write your own home layout |
| 07:08.34 | johnnyjohnjohn | how would that be done? |
| 07:08.40 | johnx | what you'd want to do is compare ubuntu-mobile's hildon-desktop layout to Maemo's |
| 07:09.22 | johnx | and look around in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop |
| 07:09.56 | johnx | so you'll need a new layout for the panels, new pictures and a new matchbox window manager theme |
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| 08:31.14 | RST38h | moss |
| 08:31.14 | RST38h | moos, sorry |
| 08:33.34 | t_s_o | heh, as long as you dont try to start some kind of virtual mosh pit... |
| 08:35.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: apt-get source |
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| 09:02.21 | johnx | Stskeeps, ah, ok, I'll push it back into a bzr repo after that |
| 09:03.01 | johnx | makes beef curry. w00! |
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| 09:05.49 | johnx | mmm...jawa curry |
| 09:06.40 | Stskeeps | on tablet so cannot immediate see if i put it in bzr or not |
| 09:06.57 | johnx | I can see you didn't. that's why I asked :) |
| 09:07.10 | johnx | m00f RST38h |
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| 09:17.50 | Stskeeps | grabs his morning cup of coffee and tries to catch up |
| 09:19.10 | johnx | not much to catch up on. The internet has been quiet these days I think |
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| 09:22.05 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 09:23.23 | Stskeeps | so how's 0.5 going? ;) |
| 09:24.06 | johnx | about to see if I did update-alternatives right :) |
| 09:24.25 | johnx | any luck with osso-xterm? |
| 09:24.42 | Stskeeps | no, the libtool fucks up consistently. not sure i understand why |
| 09:25.16 | Stskeeps | ah. maybe it's cos it's /bin/dash. |
| 09:26.25 | Stskeeps | tries with /bin/bash instead |
| 09:26.26 | johnx | I'll try the hildonized roxterm |
| 09:28.12 | Stskeeps | nah, didn't help :( |
| 09:29.26 | johnx | I wonder if nokia tried to do things this way back in 2005 |
| 09:30.10 | Stskeeps | with sardine or? |
| 09:31.10 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, <reading scrollback>, I've sucessfully restored a flash blackup I made using mkfs.jffs2 using nokia flasher |
| 09:31.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Hildonized roxterm uses vte too |
| 09:32.00 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, I expected that method was possible. :) I had my doubts about using dropbear scp though |
| 09:32.02 | johnx | gah |
| 09:33.24 | msh | johnx: what doesn't work with dropbear scp? |
| 09:33.43 | johnx | symlinks and hardlinks? |
| 09:34.08 | johnx | but that's just a general scp thing |
| 09:34.14 | msh | ah right, yeah |
| 09:34.33 | msh | rsync the go? |
| 09:34.51 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, yeah, kotczarny was odd like that too... we had an argument over what was better: mkfs.jffs2 or restoring a tarball (of course mkfs.jffs2 was simpler and a lot faster at restoring but no...) |
| 09:35.25 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, heh...I much prefer to just change the problem. :) rsync to card reader = win |
| 09:35.44 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :p |
| 09:38.07 | RST38h | is attaching touch screen processing to the Symbian code |
| 09:38.38 | RST38h | (in other words, S60e5 is here!) |
| 09:39.04 | johnx | you can keep it there then. no real interest :) |
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| 09:39.36 | RST38h | johnx: it is actually pretty decent, albeit butt-ugly |
| 09:40.09 | RST38h | vaguely remembers that johnx is an Apple guy |
| 09:40.29 | johnx | only when other people are buying me things :P |
| 09:40.44 | johnx | made a nice work computer because I had no interest in hacking it :) |
| 09:40.49 | RST38h | johnx: Any idea why an iMac would lose wifi connection (DLink DI-624) and never try to reacquire it? |
| 09:41.06 | johnx | because you're not using apple's wireless card |
| 09:41.23 | RST38h | I am using apple wireless card. DI-624 is a router. |
| 09:41.44 | johnx | ah, fair enough. have you looked at the logs? |
| 09:41.54 | RST38h | Yep - loses connection, that is all |
| 09:42.02 | johnx | huh |
| 09:42.14 | RST38h | I have not looked at apple logs though |
| 09:42.58 | johnx | why it wouldn't try to reacquire, I don't know. what gen imac? g3, g4, g5, intel old, intel new? |
| 09:43.10 | RST38h | Intel New |
| 09:43.18 | RST38h | The one in a huge aluminium display |
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| 09:44.10 | johnx | if you have no luck with apple's logs, I'd trawl the official apple forums |
| 09:44.43 | johnx | but apple doesn't have a great record with wireless stuff in my book |
| 09:45.23 | johnx | and the right answer is definitely not buying an airport base station. contrary to popular suggestion |
| 09:45.23 | RST38h | sounds ominous... |
| 09:45.23 | johnx | no end of pain with those things |
| 09:45.42 | RST38h | that much I suspected...the machine isn't mine though and it is kinda remote at the moment |
| 09:45.51 | RST38h | oh well, will try fixing it in March |
| 09:46.21 | johnx | heh. I think there's a nice menu option to save the logs to the desktop for easy emailing |
| 09:46.38 | johnx | but it's been two years since I've touched a mac outside a store |
| 09:46.54 | RST38h | only had a brush with a Mac for a few days |
| 09:47.39 | RST38h | (if we forget those old MacOS8 and MacOS9 based Macs back at the university long time ago) |
| 09:47.47 | johnx | yes, please forget them |
| 09:47.48 | qwerty12 | used a macbook once, for a few hours, and knew they were not for me |
| 09:48.17 | johnx | it's a decent tool, but it's not as comfy as a linux box |
| 09:49.49 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, are you compiling vte under your builder or under your (odd) sbox sdk? Because I really can't get vte do anything under the sbox sdk, forget any libtool problems |
| 09:50.15 | t_s_o | recall reading about the supposed followup to os8-9 and thinking it would have been really impressive if they had gotten it to work... |
| 09:50.36 | johnx | misses nextstep, but never actually used it |
| 09:51.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: odd sbox sdk |
| 09:51.23 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yes. I'm deadly truthful. |
| 09:51.32 | Stskeeps | define "do anything"? |
| 09:52.06 | Stskeeps | perl error? :P |
| 09:52.45 | qwerty12 | "configure.in:3: error: Autoconf version 2.60 or higher is required", I can't even get autoconf2.60 - I thought this was meant to be ubuntu >.< :P |
| 09:53.06 | Stskeeps | hmm. |
| 09:53.14 | Stskeeps | fakeroot apt-get install autoconf? |
| 09:53.34 | qwerty12 | I've even done fakeroot apt-get install --reinstall autoconf* for fun |
| 09:53.47 | Stskeeps | ii autoconf 2.61-7ubuntu1 automatic configure script builder |
| 09:54.02 | johnx | qwerty12, apt-cache policy autoconf |
| 09:54.04 | qwerty12 | Yep, Version: 2.61-7ubuntu1 |
| 09:54.19 | Stskeeps | installed or not installed? |
| 09:54.34 | qwerty12 | installed, that was from dpkg -s |
| 09:54.39 | qwerty12 | Lemme reinstall |
| 09:54.51 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: do you have the mer devkit? |
| 09:54.58 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yep |
| 09:55.03 | Stskeeps | and debian-etch? |
| 09:55.18 | qwerty12 | yep, "Devkits: debian-etch cputransp mer" |
| 09:55.20 | Stskeeps | cos autoconf is in scratchbox tools in my 'which' |
| 09:55.43 | Stskeeps | you have any cancel-redirection env variables? :P |
| 09:55.47 | qwerty12 | Same, let's see what that version is, or I may just end up redirecting |
| 09:56.12 | qwerty12 | I had some a long while back for diablo but I commented those out in my .profile |
| 09:56.22 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 09:56.34 | qwerty12 | Yep, /scratchbox/tools/bin/autoconf is 2.59. I'll just set up redirection... |
| 09:56.35 | Stskeeps | i'm really stumped by the error im having though |
| 09:56.47 | RST38h | used NeXTstep a lot |
| 09:56.48 | Stskeeps | ah, may have to upgrade scratchbox :P |
| 09:57.05 | RST38h | On the second-gen pizzabox hardware from NeXT |
| 09:57.13 | johnx | RST38h, what'd you think of it? especially objc? |
| 10:00.26 | qwerty12 | Meh, vte is a shitpile. autoconf --version "autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61", vte : "configure.in:3: error: Autoconf version 2.60 or higher is required" |
| 10:00.55 | johnx | think it's failing to find things >2.60? |
| 10:01.45 | qwerty12 | Yeah, probably, let me redirect the rest... |
| 10:05.10 | Stskeeps | really doesn't like autoconf and friends. :P |
| 10:06.26 | johnx | does anyone? |
| 10:06.37 | johnx | I've never heard anyone say "autoconf is totally awesome." |
| 10:07.16 | RST38h | johnx: Was a very nice system, pleasure to use, great file browser (still miss it) |
| 10:07.17 | qwerty12 | It makes things a *little bit* easier if I'm using an cross compiling toolchain but that's about it |
| 10:07.27 | RST38h | johnx: Never used objc on it, just used plain gcc |
| 10:07.54 | RST38h | johnx: It was already getting somewhat slow for its time (used 68030) and had a b/w display |
| 10:09.17 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, the file browser style was one of the nice things in mac os x as well. Recently when I saw videos of it being demoed in the early 90's my initial reaction was: whack a modern rendering engine in that web browser and sign me up: looks totally usable |
| 10:10.06 | RST38h | MacOSX Finder can actually be coerced into NeXT-like mode |
| 10:10.29 | johnx | right, aka, "not a PITA mode" |
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| 10:38.35 | Stskeeps | morning Meizirkki |
| 10:38.44 | Meizirkki | morning |
| 10:39.04 | Meizirkki | how can i set the screen timeout in Mer? |
| 10:39.15 | Meizirkki | it's now very long |
| 10:39.25 | Meizirkki | *laptop optimized |
| 10:43.25 | Stskeeps | you mean screen blanking? |
| 10:43.35 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.46 | Meizirkki | yes |
| 10:43.58 | Stskeeps | dsme-tools package from deblet, and edit the /etc/init.d file for it |
| 10:44.09 | Stskeeps | 30 is dim time, 60 is turn off time |
| 10:44.32 | Meizirkki | it does it now, even when dsme-tools is not installed |
| 10:44.39 | Meizirkki | but it's long |
| 10:44.45 | Meizirkki | 5min i guess |
| 10:46.09 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:46.18 | Stskeeps | just adjust it with dsme-tools then |
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| 11:31.21 | Jaffa | Mornin' |
| 11:31.29 | Stskeeps | morning Jaffa |
| 11:44.09 | konttori | morning |
| 11:44.40 | konttori | is about to leave for a week in spain! (1 h) |
| 11:44.48 | konttori | see you all later! |
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| 11:45.02 | johnx | later konttori. have fun :D |
| 11:45.06 | konttori | thanks! |
| 11:45.18 | qwerty12 | hehe, enjoy konttori :D |
| 11:45.44 | qwerty12 | starts grumbling about the UK and its cold winters* |
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| 11:46.06 | Stskeeps | it snowed outside here today :P |
| 11:46.41 | johnx | nice. still about 5C here or so? (40F) |
| 11:47.00 | Stskeeps | just hope its not too slippery when my fiancée drives to berlin tomorrow |
| 11:47.26 | johnx | ah, yeah. driving on ice is never good unless the purpose of your trip is to drive on ice :) |
| 11:48.31 | Stskeeps | she has winter tires so it ought to help a bit :P |
| 11:48.52 | johnx | studded ones? |
| 11:49.08 | Stskeeps | no clue, but ones that are very good to have in nordic/european countries when its winter :P |
| 11:49.40 | johnx | yeah, wasn't much nicer for drivers in the Seattle are until a couple days ago :) |
| 11:49.54 | johnx | and that's only at ~48N |
| 11:50.24 | Stskeeps | most useless map ever.. marking roads with "slippery" and "normal road state based on the season" |
| 11:50.38 | Stskeeps | slippery -is- the normal road state in winter :P |
| 11:51.01 | johnx | "floor is slippery when wet" |
| 11:51.02 | Meizirkki | -11 C here :) |
| 11:51.11 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: snowed in yet? :P |
| 11:51.14 | Meizirkki | a lot |
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| 11:51.29 | Meizirkki | comparing to last two winters |
| 11:52.46 | Stskeeps | ponders the fact the road directorate information web page isnt responding |
| 11:52.47 | Meizirkki | maybe around 6-10 cm :P |
| 11:53.22 | johnx | Stskeeps, they'd reboot the server, but they want to check the roads before they drive into work... |
| 11:53.59 | Stskeeps | probably :P |
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| 12:14.08 | Meizirkki | grr.. ports.ubuntu.com down? |
| 12:14.42 | johnx | looks that way |
| 12:14.45 | johnx | or very lagged |
| 12:15.58 | Stskeeps | as i said, ports.ubuntu.com really needs mirrors |
| 12:16.32 | johnx | timed out :/ |
| 12:16.51 | johnx | heh...not exactly equipped to offer to mirror it sadly... |
| 12:17.49 | gladiac | wow, the browser with webkit backend is significant faster |
| 12:17.50 | Meizirkki | grr.. i just destroyed my mer installation. and now ports.ubuntu.com is down. this is my luck |
| 12:18.03 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: you're in luck, i need you to test b-mans mer installer anyway :P |
| 12:19.52 | Meizirkki | is looking forward to test it. :) |
| 12:20.02 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merinstaller1.2.1-1.armel.deb |
| 12:20.16 | Stskeeps | you might want to take out any SD cards that you dont potentially want erased |
| 12:20.38 | Stskeeps | and i need test of the 'simple' install first and foremost |
| 12:20.46 | Stskeeps | it needs zenity and deblet bootmenu |
| 12:20.50 | Meizirkki | how do i remove n810 internal card ?? |
| 12:20.51 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 12:20.54 | Stskeeps | hmm. :P |
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| 12:21.39 | johnx | maybe use a hammer? |
| 12:22.36 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: his code -looks- safe, but with all testing.. :P |
| 12:22.44 | Meizirkki | k |
| 12:22.47 | Stskeeps | (simple does automatic partitioning) |
| 12:23.04 | Meizirkki | is there already a name for the current mer release? like, current version of Ubuntu for arm is "jaunty".. |
| 12:23.15 | Meizirkki | or can i call it just "alpha" |
| 12:23.37 | Stskeeps | we just call it alpha for now. when things get a little more sane the unstable release will have codename 'brick' probably :P |
| 12:23.46 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 12:23.48 | Stskeeps | as it has the potential to completely brick your tablet ;) |
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| 12:24.37 | Meizirkki | installer will erase all data on external card or? if i make a empty partition, will the installer use it |
| 12:24.40 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 12:25.30 | Stskeeps | well there's two modes |
| 12:25.32 | Stskeeps | simple and advanced |
| 12:26.07 | Stskeeps | simple makes you choose internal or external card and it then partitions that card |
| 12:26.12 | Stskeeps | advanced lets you have some choices |
| 12:26.16 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 12:26.34 | Meizirkki | i'll take look at advanced |
| 12:26.37 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:27.02 | Meizirkki | rootsh needed... |
| 12:27.24 | Stskeeps | that too, yeah :P |
| 12:27.41 | Meizirkki | i used --force-depends :P |
| 12:27.47 | johnx | crap. bent the pin on my charger >_< |
| 12:27.48 | Stskeeps | it is needed though :P |
| 12:27.50 | Meizirkki | i don't have much space left |
| 12:27.52 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:27.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: hate when that happens |
| 12:27.56 | qwerty12_N800 | rootsh is the shit :p |
| 12:28.02 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: rootsh is very bloody small :P |
| 12:28.13 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: whatever :P |
| 12:28.29 | johnx | guess I can just head down to the Nokia store ... nearest one can't me more than a continent away |
| 12:28.53 | Stslaptop | they really pulled completely out of japan? |
| 12:29.00 | Stslaptop | with chargers and everything? |
| 12:29.05 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I hope that you don't have to go through as much n800 chargers as me (hint, ac-5x owns) |
| 12:29.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, nah. NTT still sells Nokia phones. just have to see if they sell chargers too. |
| 12:29.48 | Stslaptop | .. probably |
| 12:29.56 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, is that a Nokia brand charger or 3rd party |
| 12:30.27 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, a nokia one, it's been my longest working charger |
| 12:30.34 | johnx | UK though |
| 12:30.41 | Stslaptop | ac-5 |
| 12:31.16 | Stslaptop | +variant |
| 12:31.17 | Stslaptop | :P |
| 12:31.41 | johnx | seem to have an ac-4u |
| 12:31.52 | johnx | 100-240v / 50-60Hz |
| 12:32.15 | Meizirkki | Stslaptop: Cancel button does not work :P |
| 12:32.24 | Meizirkki | installer just keeps going |
| 12:32.31 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, 4u should be fine, just NEVER get a 3u |
| 12:32.41 | johnx | I'll keep that in mind |
| 12:34.07 | qwerty12_N800 | 3u's are too underpowered for the tablets, you'll think it's charging but in reality... |
| 12:35.01 | Meizirkki | Stslaptop: I selected mmcblk0p4 for swap, in terminal it says: mkswap: can't open '/dev/mmcblk1p4': No such file or directory |
| 12:35.07 | johnx | maybe I should just build one out of parts :/ |
| 12:36.38 | Meizirkki | Stslaptop: what's a userspace-partition?? |
| 12:37.08 | johnx | oooh, got a line on a US/JP plug AC-5U :D |
| 12:37.18 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: hmm. |
| 12:37.21 | Meizirkki | Stslaptop: NOOO!! |
| 12:37.28 | qwerty12_N800 | wicked :D |
| 12:37.41 | Meizirkki | partition select thing uses wrong card :( |
| 12:38.12 | Meizirkki | I just mkdosfs my cloned diablo |
| 12:38.22 | Stskeeps | which then proves fanoush's internal/external code doesnt work sanely under maemo |
| 12:38.55 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: sorry to hear that :( |
| 12:38.56 | qwerty12_N800 | which proves nokia fucked things up with the int. 2gb :P |
| 12:39.02 | Meizirkki | hmm... trying again.. |
| 12:40.06 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: no problem.. i can always clone it again |
| 12:40.31 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: but "good" to know that the internal external code fucks up immensely.. |
| 12:40.50 | Meizirkki | it fucked up with deblet installer too |
| 12:41.00 | Meizirkki | but only with n810 |
| 12:41.35 | Stskeeps | do me a favour.. |
| 12:41.37 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 12:42.30 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 12:43.37 | Stskeeps | cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/device/../slot_name |
| 12:43.39 | Stskeeps | cat /sys/block/mmcblk1/device/../slot_name |
| 12:43.47 | Stskeeps | (and tell me which one you think is which) |
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| 12:45.42 | Meizirkki | is says: external for mmcblk0 |
| 12:45.56 | Meizirkki | internal for mmcblk1 |
| 12:46.15 | johnx | ah, so the kernel lies. cute. |
| 12:46.19 | Stslaptop | is that correct or not? :P |
| 12:46.28 | Meizirkki | not correct in maemo |
| 12:46.32 | Stslaptop | lovely |
| 12:46.59 | Meizirkki | in Mer, mmcblk0 is external and mmcblk1 is internal |
| 12:46.59 | johnx | eh? |
| 12:47.16 | johnx | on n810? think it's the same as maemo on an n800 |
| 12:47.28 | Meizirkki | in maemo mmcblk0 in internal |
| 12:48.00 | Stslaptop | so the output lies? :P |
| 12:48.15 | Meizirkki | in maemo: when i take external card off, i can still mount partitions in mmcblk0 |
| 12:48.26 | Stslaptop | also, this output is from maemo, right? |
| 12:48.46 | Meizirkki | yes, the output lies |
| 12:49.03 | Meizirkki | in Mer/deblet/ubuntu: mmcblk1 is the internal |
| 12:49.14 | Meizirkki | sorry about the confusion i made :P |
| 12:50.20 | Stslaptop | k |
| 12:50.37 | Meizirkki | installer won't work as it should |
| 12:50.52 | Meizirkki | it fails to mount |
| 12:51.03 | Stslaptop | k, ta |
| 12:51.08 | Stslaptop | any other people with N810s around? |
| 12:51.51 | Stslaptop | Meizirkki: what does sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 say? |
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| 12:52.29 | Meizirkki | sec |
| 12:56.14 | Meizirkki | !! |
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| 12:56.36 | Meizirkki | my tablet is so full i can't save terminal output of installer into a text file |
| 12:58.28 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 13:00.29 | Meizirkki | installer output with small description @ trac.tspre.org |
| 13:01.23 | Stslaptop | thanks, you might want to remove the mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.4.tar.gz |
| 13:01.23 | Stslaptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.23 | Stslaptop | :P |
| 13:02.04 | Meizirkki | yep, i removed it |
| 13:02.07 | Stslaptop | i'll pass that on to b-man |
| 13:02.12 | Meizirkki | k |
| 13:03.21 | johnx | lulz. looks like the nokia charging solution in Japan is "buy an ac adapter for a normal ntt phone, then buy a little converter plug to plug it into your nokia phone" |
| 13:04.21 | qwerty12_N800 | You should have stocked up on chargers :p |
| 13:04.34 | Meizirkki | Stslaptop: sfdisk output uploaded |
| 13:04.35 | qwerty12_N800 | seriously through, kinda sucks :/ |
| 13:04.41 | Meizirkki | it looked weird |
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| 13:05.09 | johnx | it is kinda cool, because they make cheap "emergency power packs" for NTT phones that take AAs |
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| 13:05.38 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, N800 + AA batteries... :p |
| 13:06.25 | johnx | good in an emergency |
| 13:06.53 | johnx | and I have plenty of rechargeables floating around |
| 13:07.15 | qwerty12_N800 | Looking at the size of the N800 battery, I just couldn't imagine it lasting long on AA's |
| 13:07.22 | RST38h | go for the car battery! |
| 13:08.54 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, only if you agree to carry it around for me :P |
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| 13:09.09 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, 1500mAh x 3.7v = 5.5Wh, 1.5v * 2000mAh * 2 = 6Wh |
| 13:09.17 | johnx | unless my math is off? |
| 13:09.37 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: sfdisk -uM -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 13:09.59 | johnx | granted the voltage conversion is probably ~80% efficient on something so small and cheap |
| 13:10.25 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: actually, sfdisk -uM -s /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 13:17.17 | ShadowJK | and you're probably better off using 1.2V for that calculation if you're using nimh |
| 13:17.26 | ShadowJK | (and 1.0 with alkaline because they're so weak ;-) |
| 13:18.01 | johnx | still, it's the right order of magnitude |
| 13:18.18 | johnx | it should give me at least another 50% runtime |
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| 13:24.35 | johnx | wow...canola-cleanup is not my favorite application :( |
| 13:26.05 | johnx | just removed osso-software-version-rx34 and mplayer and bluemaemo |
| 13:26.39 | RST38h | wow |
| 13:26.47 | RST38h | mplayer I can understand but why the rest? |
| 13:27.04 | johnx | they depended on some "canola" libs |
| 13:27.09 | johnx | like the libe** stuff |
| 13:27.15 | qwerty12_N800 | bluemaemo depends on python efl stuff, same as canola |
| 13:27.45 | johnx | as for osso-software-version-rx34...and flash-and-reboot, and diablo-kernel-flasher...not so sure there :/ |
| 13:28.19 | johnx | ah well. certainly have more space now |
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| 13:29.11 | RST38h | but this basically means that your system update is gone? |
| 13:29.46 | qwerty12_N800 | osv doesn't take long to install back |
| 13:29.57 | RST38h | umgh |
| 13:30.09 | johnx | yeah, I can just apt-get by hand, but I wouldn't call this "optimal behavior" |
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| 13:31.29 | RST38h | looks like some guy has just done a non-python sensors applet for the desktop |
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| 13:36.57 | johnx | Meiz_n810, Meizirkki, ports.ubuntu.com is back |
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| 13:42.22 | Stslaptop | b-man: internal/external card lookup fails to work properly on N810, and http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/output |
| 13:42.56 | b-man | hmmm |
| 13:42.59 | Stslaptop | there should probably be some warnings "are you absolutely damn sure you want to format mmcblk1 etc :P" and showing current partition table etc |
| 13:43.23 | Stslaptop | and error checking, maybe set -x once interactive part is over |
| 13:44.53 | b-man | oh, i see, that funny little bug showed up again; it tryes to download to root instead of /mnt/mer. :P |
| 13:45.15 | b-man | i'll fix that :) |
| 13:46.17 | Stslaptop | alright |
| 13:47.40 | b-man | it looks like it failed at creating a bootmenu item and /mnt/mer directory also. :( how much free space did you have before using the installer? |
| 13:48.26 | b-man | edit; never mind |
| 13:48.34 | Stslaptop | Meizirkki did the testing, so :) |
| 13:49.06 | RST38h | Am I missing something or is 5800 display 24bpp only? |
| 13:49.15 | b-man | it looks like he's missing /mnt/mer and /etc/bootmenu.d ;) |
| 13:49.24 | Stslaptop | mkdir -p :P |
| 13:49.31 | Stslaptop | (make sure its there) |
| 13:49.50 | b-man | i thaught it was there ;p |
| 13:50.18 | b-man | revuews some code |
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| 13:52.16 | RST38h | In case anybody still needs it, "Developing Applications in the Maemo Platform Training Course" has been published by Nokia on Dec 29th |
| 13:52.47 | RST38h | is looking for the S60e3->S60e5 migration guide though |
| 13:55.33 | b-man | the target directory creation section is there, but the mkdir -p /etc/bootmenu.d section is not. :p |
| 13:56.04 | Stslaptop | fair enough :P |
| 13:56.05 | b-man | fixed that :) |
| 13:56.16 | b-man | hehe |
| 13:57.00 | b-man | i'll update the deb in s sec, hold on |
| 13:57.19 | Stslaptop | remember to up the version |
| 13:57.46 | Stslaptop | also, we should probably do something about the check for internal/external card :P |
| 13:57.52 | Stslaptop | i'm not sure what though |
| 13:58.28 | b-man | done :) |
| 13:59.05 | Stslaptop | since the kernel lies to us :P |
| 13:59.45 | johnx | May:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/mmci-omap.1/mmc_host\:mmc0/slot_name |
| 13:59.45 | johnx | internal |
| 13:59.58 | johnx | seems it really is lying on the N810? |
| 14:00.03 | johnx | pretty crazy |
| 14:00.10 | Stslaptop | or the internal card is wired as the external slot? :P |
| 14:00.16 | Stslaptop | b-man: n800 or n810? |
| 14:00.25 | b-man | n800 |
| 14:00.32 | johnx | that'd do it :) |
| 14:00.54 | johnx | heh. reverse the check on n810? |
| 14:01.20 | johnx | could someone else here with an n810 run that command and paste the output? |
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| 14:02.52 | cityL3 | hi |
| 14:02.52 | johnx | hello |
| 14:02.57 | cityL3 | how can I ask maemo to open .java files with the geany editor not notes? |
| 14:03.13 | b-man | new installer; http://rapidshare.com/files/179360448/merinstaller-1.3.1-1.armel.deb.html |
| 14:03.32 | Stslaptop | b-man: let me just give you a place to upload to with scp |
| 14:03.49 | Stslaptop | much easier really :P |
| 14:03.58 | qwerty12_N800 | cityL3, You could try pipeline's dbus-switchboard but you may have to add geany to the list manually |
| 14:04.08 | RST38h | Ok, happy to see that the poor critter behaves in the expected fashion. In fact, the whole migration guide is just a few screens. |
| 14:04.27 | RST38h | This thing is no iPhone by any measure (fortunately) |
| 14:06.50 | alterego | RST38h: where's the new training material you mentioned earlier? |
| 14:07.14 | Meizirkki | sfdisk -uM -s /dev/mmcblk0 uploaded |
| 14:07.37 | cityL3 | qwerty12_N800: when I run file test.java I get: ASCII C++ program text |
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| 14:08.24 | alterego | Oh found it :) |
| 14:08.28 | cityL3 | qwerty12_N800: I want to edit /usr/share/applications/defaults.list to add it |
| 14:08.31 | alterego | RST38h: nevermind ^^ |
| 14:08.49 | cityL3 | what is dbus-switchboard? |
| 14:09.00 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: what size is your real external card? |
| 14:09.17 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: 4gb |
| 14:09.32 | alterego | cityL3: http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/utils/dbus-switchboard.htm |
| 14:09.40 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: but remember... mmcblk0 is the internal |
| 14:09.46 | Meiz_n810 | in maemo |
| 14:09.47 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:09.56 | Stskeeps | that's really awkward. the kernel directly lies to us |
| 14:10.09 | Stskeeps | on a N810 at least |
| 14:10.18 | Meizirkki | but i have now faster internet :P |
| 14:10.27 | RST38h | alterego: Maemo training at Forum Nokia |
| 14:10.34 | johnx | Stskeeps, it seems that way. I'd like to get a couple points of reference on that though... |
| 14:10.41 | alterego | RST38h: yeah, I found it. It just wasn't under the maemo section ;) |
| 14:10.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: poll on iTT? :P |
| 14:10.59 | RST38h | yes, it seems to be for S60 developers, almost an invitation to migrate :) |
| 14:12.46 | cityL3 | alterego and qwerty12_N800 thanks |
| 14:12.55 | alterego | np |
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| 14:19.03 | johnx | so, any way to see if the battery is charging under Mer? |
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| 14:35.14 | RST38h | johnx: you can cat the /proc file |
| 14:36.32 | johnx | munch on retu values manually you mean? |
| 14:36.40 | johnx | nah, kcbatt works just fine :) |
| 14:37.42 | RST38h | semi-manually, as it is already in ascii there |
| 14:37.54 | b-man | Stskeeps; my f*cking pos computer crashed and i lost the password >:( what was the password again?, sorry. :( |
| 14:40.48 | Meizirkki | johnx: Stskeeps used statusbar-battery from nokia repo while ago |
| 14:40.56 | Meizirkki | it worked fine, he said. |
| 14:41.24 | johnx | not in maemo right now, but qwerty12_N800 reminded me about kcbatt, so I'm good for now |
| 14:41.35 | johnx | stupid fragile charger pin |
| 14:44.40 | b-man | hacks the deblet splash screen to work in Ubuntu :) |
| 14:48.08 | Meizirkki | b-man: say the output of the mer-installer i uploaded when you were not here? |
| 14:48.15 | Meizirkki | s/say/saw |
| 14:48.56 | b-man | yes, i saw it, and hopfuly fixed the problem ;) |
| 14:49.16 | Meizirkki | have you uploaded new version? |
| 14:49.23 | Meizirkki | *wanna try* |
| 14:49.34 | b-man | hold on.. |
| 14:50.16 | b-man | http://rapidshare.com/files/179360448/merinstaller-1.3.1-1.armel.deb.html |
| 14:50.26 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 14:50.59 | b-man | i haven't uploaded it to my ftp just yet, but eventually will :) |
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| 14:54.26 | Meizirkki | it's here too: http://personal.inet.fi/surf/deweb/evo/merinstaller-1.3.1-1.armel.deb |
| 14:54.40 | b-man | thank you |
| 14:56.15 | Meizirkki | i uploded it just because i want to have way to wget it to my tablet. :P |
| 14:56.40 | b-man | heh |
| 14:56.50 | b-man | ok :p |
| 14:57.53 | RST38h | Hmmm...minor problem. 5800 does not know anything about 16bpp mode |
| 14:58.35 | Meizirkki | b-man: still same happens.. |
| 14:58.45 | johnx | RST38h, wow...that's not gonna help performance |
| 14:58.48 | Meizirkki | should i remove the earlier version first? |
| 14:59.08 | RST38h | johnx: no, it won't help =( |
| 14:59.20 | RST38h | especially considering that the phone switched into 12bpp instead |
| 14:59.46 | lcuk | gcc params, i have created libliqpaint.so.1 how do i link that with an app, its stored in same place as source for now |
| 15:00.27 | b-man | Meizirkki, do you have /etc/bootmenu.d and /mnt/mer? |
| 15:00.28 | lcuk | it keeps telling me it cant find it when i use -llibliqpaint.so.1 param |
| 15:01.02 | Meizirkki | b-man yes |
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| 15:01.55 | johnx | lcuk, maybe gcc foo.c -L./ -llibliqpaint.so.1 -o foo |
| 15:02.00 | johnx | guesses |
| 15:02.01 | b-man | it might still be downloading to the wrong directory. what's in your /root directory? |
| 15:02.31 | lcuk | johnx, ive done the compilation part, ive got liqstars.o - ill try |
| 15:02.48 | Meizirkki | b-man: it downloads to /mnt/mer there is just nothing mounted to it |
| 15:04.05 | b-man | oh, ok, i'll take a nother look. i had this same problem, but (had) it fixed. |
| 15:04.24 | lcuk | ahhhh, ive created a dynamic lib |
| 15:04.29 | lcuk | different kettle of fish |
| 15:08.13 | johnx | shouldn't matter, IIUC |
| 15:08.40 | johnx | it's just -l in either case, but it won't look in ./ by default |
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| 15:13.17 | b-man | Meizirkki, hmmm... it looks like the target partition variable is not regestering. does the installer provide you a list of partitions to install mer to?, it shuld. |
| 15:14.25 | Meizirkki | i did not |
| 15:15.03 | Meizirkki | I selected: |
| 15:15.03 | Meizirkki | advanced |
| 15:15.03 | Meizirkki | external |
| 15:15.03 | Meizirkki | skip partitioing (i have already done it) |
| 15:15.03 | Meizirkki | ext3 |
| 15:15.04 | Meizirkki | no userspace partition (i already have fat-partition) |
| 15:15.06 | Meizirkki | it never asked me witch partition to format or use for mer and it failed to mount. |
| 15:15.08 | Meizirkki | Root shell enabled |
| 15:15.10 | Meizirkki | obtaining product information... |
| 15:15.12 | Meizirkki | product version RX-44 |
| 15:15.14 | Meizirkki | scanning available memory cards... |
| 15:15.16 | Meizirkki | /mnt/mer available |
| 15:15.18 | Meizirkki | starting internet... |
| 15:15.20 | Meizirkki | select-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x1a800, e4e04b7e-acb9-4e1e-a239-077d01831cf1, WLAN_INFRA, 0) |
| 15:15.25 | Meizirkki | select-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG default - connection_cb(0x1a800, 0x139a0, 0xacdcacdc) |
| 15:15.27 | Meizirkki | select-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG default - CONNECTED (e4e04b7e-acb9-4e1e-a239-077d01831cf1, WLAN_INFRA, 0, 0) |
| 15:15.30 | Meizirkki | advanced installer selected |
| 15:15.32 | Meizirkki | ext3 |
| 15:15.34 | Meizirkki | Usage: mkfs.ext3 [-c|-t|-l filename] [-b block-size] [-f fragment-size] |
| 15:15.36 | Meizirkki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.07 | b-man | starts planning a rewrite of the installer :( |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | /usr/libexec/mer/merinstall.sh: line 415: ext2: not found |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | mmcblk0p4 selected for swap |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 254979584 bytes |
| 15:16.07 | Veggen | Weizirkii: pastebin is a good invention |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | skiping user-space |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | writing bootmenu item... |
| 15:16.07 | Meizirkki | /usr/libexec/mer/merinstall.sh: line 415: cannot create /etc/bootmenu.d/mer-advanced-int.item: No space left on device |
| 15:16.07 | qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin |
| 15:16.08 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 15:16.08 | Meizirkki | target directory available |
| 15:16.08 | Meizirkki | mounting to /mnt/mer... |
| 15:16.08 | Meizirkki | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko': File exists (-1): File exists |
| 15:16.08 | Meizirkki | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko': File exists (-1): File exists |
| 15:16.08 | Meizirkki | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/jbd.ko': File exists (-1): File exists |
| 15:16.09 | Meizirkki | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': File exists (-1): File exists |
| 15:16.11 | Meizirkki | mount: can't find /mnt/mer in /etc/fstab |
| 15:16.13 | Meizirkki | checking for md5sum |
| 15:16.15 | Meizirkki | md5sum is allrety available |
| 15:16.17 | Meizirkki | running mirror options... |
| 15:16.18 | qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin |
| 15:16.19 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 15:16.19 | Meizirkki | /usr/libexec/mer/merinstall.sh: line 415: cannot create /usr/libexec/mer/ |
| 15:16.21 | Meizirkki | after "ext3" there is something weird |
| 15:16.25 | Meizirkki | it is here too http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/output |
| 15:16.27 | Meizirkki | yea i know _P |
| 15:16.28 | b-man | qwerty12 lol |
| 15:16.29 | Meizirkki | s/_P/:P/ |
| 15:16.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Meizirkki, so, why flood? |
| 15:16.51 | Meizirkki | sorry |
| 15:16.51 | b-man | lol |
| 15:16.54 | lcuk | well it stopped moaning now i made it as a .so but it wont link |
| 15:18.42 | lcuk | can i list the exports in a library? |
| 15:19.55 | b-man | Meizirkki, how much free space do you have on your device, i noticed a "no space left on device" error. |
| 15:20.13 | b-man | for /etc/bootmenu.d |
| 15:20.48 | Meizirkki | 11,5mb before it begins to download |
| 15:21.14 | b-man | has a headache |
| 15:22.26 | b-man | hmmm |
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| 15:26.42 | b-man | it looks like i'll need some time to work this problem out, i'll be back in a while. |
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| 15:49.49 | b-man | Meizirkki; http://rapidshare.com/files/179391102/merinstaller-1.4.1-1.armel.deb.html |
| 15:52.44 | lcuk | oooh |
| 15:53.04 | lcuk | i has liqstars running via libliqpaint |
| 15:53.18 | johnx | that was *fast* O_o |
| 15:53.25 | johnx | I mean in terms of separating it out into a lib |
| 15:53.34 | lcuk | ive been thinking about whats needed for a while |
| 15:53.45 | alterego | Anyone know what osso_cp_plugin_* is all about? |
| 15:53.45 | lcuk | its not right and its not the new code |
| 15:53.58 | lcuk | but its enough to use - its what all of liqbase released version works from |
| 15:54.40 | lcuk | im unhappy with most of it, but it works |
| 15:55.23 | lcuk | in terms of classes, there is : liqapp, liqcanvas, liqimage,liqfont,liqdraw, then everything is actually drawn onto a liqcliprect |
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| 15:56.07 | lcuk | ok, lemme try and clean this up today and see whether everything works |
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| 15:56.16 | lcuk | im gonna make a load of stand alone example modules |
| 15:56.30 | lcuk | then get back onto my actual app |
| 15:57.25 | bakarat | i'm trying to sync my gpe-* apps with evolution |
| 15:57.36 | bakarat | but i can only seem to track down an ancient tutorial for the n770 while i have the n810 |
| 15:57.43 | bakarat | i have installed the opensync plugin for evolution |
| 15:57.51 | bakarat | but it makes little sense without a decent how to :D |
| 15:58.05 | bakarat | i indicated "network" as the type (since i'm connection to wifi with the pda) |
| 15:58.10 | bakarat | but i don't have to enter an ip or anything? |
| 15:59.24 | qwerty12 | alterego, dunno if you got an answer so, osso_cp_plugin_* are about manipulating control panel plugins. osso_cp_plugin_exec will run an control panel applet |
| 15:59.40 | qwerty12 | s/applet/plugin/ |
| 15:59.46 | alterego | qwerty12: oh, cool :) Thanks. |
| 15:59.48 | qwerty12 | stops thinking in windows |
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| 16:00.38 | Pavlz | hi |
| 16:01.01 | qwerty12 | s/osso_cp_plugin_exec/osso_cp_plugin_execute/ |
| 16:01.04 | qwerty12 | np alterego :) |
| 16:01.36 | Pavlz | i found the definitive charge battery for nokia 770 |
| 16:02.13 | Pavlz | an old charger battery for cellular phone |
| 16:02.59 | Pavlz | an LG model TA-25GR3 |
| 16:03.32 | Pavlz | it's an input 100-240 Volt |
| 16:04.11 | Pavlz | Output 4.6 Volt and 800 mAmpere |
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| 16:05.27 | Pavlz | it's necessary to remove the cable of cellular phone |
| 16:05.58 | Pavlz | and mount the cable of nokia 770 |
| 16:06.03 | lcuk | ok johnx, so what now, its api isnt perfect, i know nothing about versioning theres a load of cruft, but basically libliqpaint exists :) should i apply for a new garage project |
| 16:06.38 | johnx | don't you already have an scm you use? |
| 16:06.43 | lcuk | or should i keep it in liqbase |
| 16:06.48 | lcuk | thats what i was thinking |
| 16:07.01 | johnx | just as long as it's public |
| 16:07.35 | lcuk | of course :) |
| 16:08.09 | lcuk | but for now liqbase itself doesnt use the library |
| 16:08.40 | Pavlz | then if you want you can too put a heatsink on the shell of charger battery as i did and now works fine |
| 16:08.48 | lcuk | it just and i think mangling it so it does would be wrong |
| 16:09.19 | lcuk | i will create liqsketch and liqreader nice and fresh and cleanly ontop of the library :) |
| 16:09.19 | Pavlz | without any problem and charge well the battery |
| 16:10.02 | Pavlz | happy hacking |
| 16:10.11 | Pavlz | Pavlz |
| 16:10.20 | Meizirkki | b-man: it still refuses to ask me what partition to use |
| 16:10.25 | Meizirkki | :( |
| 16:10.38 | Pavlz | and happy GNU Year |
| 16:12.05 | johnx | thanks for the info Pavlz |
| 16:12.10 | Meizirkki | b-man, also, when i select swap partition: mmcblk0p4, it shows "mkswap: mmcblk1p4 no such file or directory" |
| 16:13.28 | Meizirkki | oh, he's not online o_0 |
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| 16:17.17 | lcuk | should i call the lib libliqbase |
| 16:19.06 | lcuk | mmm other considerations, i will need to change the license to lgpl |
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| 16:20.42 | marcels | hey guys, I just flashed my 770 to the OS2008 version using SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin and it went all well and it is quitte stable, but it is very slow, using the browser is working very slow (I have to wait at least 10 sec. after each click with 100 percent CPU usage) |
| 16:21.10 | marcels | I already made an extra swap partition on the flash drive |
| 16:21.31 | marcels | but are there any other speed improvements I can make? |
| 16:21.48 | bakarat | hmm ok, i got my computer & the pda to sync over the network, but i can't seem to distinguish between calendars on the pda? |
| 16:21.59 | bakarat | as in, if i have 2 calendars on my computer and i sync, they get synced into a single one? |
| 16:22.08 | bakarat | (which could pose a problem for reverse syncs?) |
| 16:25.43 | johnx | marcels, maybe try a webkit based browser? such as tear? or midori? |
| 16:25.56 | RST38h | Aaaaargh! |
| 16:26.01 | RST38h | found what is wrong |
| 16:26.11 | RST38h | holy crap =( |
| 16:27.56 | marcels | johnx, are these in the repo's? |
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| 16:30.04 | qwerty12 | sighs about the joys of packaging... |
| 16:35.28 | RST38h | All right, everybody stop eating unless you feel like throwing up |
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| 16:36.54 | nico_ | navicore bug !! can't calc my way when i use different map for src/desr |
| 16:37.17 | nico_ | hi !! happy new year |
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| 16:42.22 | RST38h | Because in its infinite wisdom, Nokia introduced a new pixel format in 5800 and REUSED the id from the old 12bpp format |
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| 16:48.05 | johnx | marcels, might not be. check on itt. also no guarantees how they'll work with OS2008HE |
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| 16:48.08 | alterego | Hmm, what's the package name for libgpsmgr? |
| 16:48.32 | qwerty12 | libgpsmgr_0.2-21_armel.dev |
| 16:48.35 | alterego | Ah, it's in mameo explit. |
| 16:48.39 | qwerty12 | s/dev/deb/ |
| 16:48.42 | alterego | ~Maemo explicit |
| 16:49.00 | qwerty12 | /scratchbox/users/$USER/home/$USER/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.1/pool :P |
| 16:49.25 | alterego | Yes, I've found it :P |
| 16:49.49 | qwerty12 | :D |
| 16:54.30 | qwerty12 | grins as his dirty hacks to the genlocalepkgs script works |
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| 16:54.58 | alterego | groovy. |
| 16:55.07 | alterego | writes libgpsmgr-ruby |
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| 16:56.10 | qwerty12 | Although I'll have the en_GB locale installed in the main package, can't have real English being left out now, can we? :P |
| 16:56.39 | alterego | It should be the only English! |
| 16:56.59 | qwerty12 | For sure! :D |
| 16:58.35 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 16:58.36 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 17:02.22 | alterego | pang |
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| 17:08.53 | alterego | "No, we don't support Windows â get a better operating system." -- gpsd.berlios.de ^_^ |
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| 17:21.24 | lcuk | ooooh |
| 17:23.09 | RST38h | moooo? |
| 17:23.21 | qwerty12 | baaaa |
| 17:23.23 | lcuk | liqliqpaint is alive! |
| 17:23.35 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:23.37 | qwerty12 | Teh goggles! They do nothing! |
| 17:24.06 | RST38h | liqliq would be a good name on its own =) |
| 17:24.10 | lcuk | its written in an obscure variant of C though, northern99 |
| 17:24.26 | qwerty12 | damn, guess I won't be looking at it then |
| 17:24.42 | lcuk | with such wonderful constructs as: |
| 17:24.57 | lcuk | aye up lad : fetch thee font definitions() |
| 17:25.32 | lcuk | write that fancy scribble to th' wall over thar() |
| 17:26.44 | lcuk | i cant just drop it under liqbase as it stands though, cos i had to strip some fancy stuff out to make it a clean liqbrary |
| 17:27.56 | lcuk | RST38h, i decided to do the one thing: i dropped entirely the definition of my widget for now, people using sdl or pygame or (hint hint alterego) rubygame dont need it, they just need a way to draw pictures in places and write text and stuff |
| 17:28.26 | alterego | :P |
| 17:29.18 | qwerty12 | While python SDL bindings have the exciting name of pygame, the imaginative ruby developers went for the equally exciting Ruby/SDL name :P |
| 17:29.49 | RST38h | lcuk: yep. |
| 17:30.10 | lcuk | my apps will still use my liqtile/vcell classes which allows things |
| 17:30.18 | lcuk | but then other ppl can use it for whatever they want |
| 17:32.24 | lcuk | it will need a change of license |
| 17:32.32 | lcuk | i cant use the liqbase garage project :( |
| 17:33.07 | lcuk | lgpl for libraries usually isnt it |
| 17:33.34 | qwerty12 | yeah, it's less stricter |
| 17:33.52 | qwerty12 | I think it allows it to be used in commercial things too - not sure |
| 17:35.05 | Stslaptop | *nod* |
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| 17:35.23 | qwerty12 | Thanks |
| 17:37.57 | lcuk | do you think Stskeeps actually gives a hearty physical *nod* when he does that |
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| 17:40.16 | lcuk | ok, this is progressing quite nicely |
| 17:40.37 | johnx | good question. usually I am actually grinning like a maniac when I type :D |
| 17:41.40 | Stslaptop | lcuk: think of me of a long bearded man who nods in approval while sitting with his pipe in a leather chair :P |
| 17:42.05 | lcuk | why think, you left your webcam on one night. MY EYES! THE GOGGLES, THEY DO NOTHING! |
| 17:42.23 | lcuk | why dont you do things like |
| 17:42.24 | alterego | Okay, maemo-mapper has a nice use case of gpsmgr :) |
| 17:42.26 | lcuk | *strokes beard* |
| 17:42.49 | Stslaptop | a full beard is one of the best things of being an adult man |
| 17:42.50 | Stslaptop | :P |
| 17:43.15 | lcuk | and a fullbeard is useful for keeping a suppertime snack in |
| 17:43.34 | lcuk | just find odd bits from lunch lurking away, you know like a chicken leg or caserole |
| 17:44.00 | alterego | is reminded of "The Twits" |
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| 17:44.40 | johnx | fails at beards |
| 17:44.58 | Stslaptop | you had some asian blood or how was it? |
| 17:45.24 | johnx | nah, mostly Irish, somewhat Norwegian |
| 17:45.50 | Stslaptop | ah |
| 17:48.27 | Stskeeps | thinks he has a bit of swedish, danish and german, but thats about it. |
| 17:49.14 | johnx | my beard comes in all patchy. Can grow a fierce mustache though |
| 17:49.29 | qwerty12 | just resorts to a shaver |
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| 17:51.32 | Stslaptop | johnx: so what are you hacking on atm? |
| 17:51.48 | johnx | trying to find out why update-alternatives doesn't love me |
| 17:52.07 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:55.12 | Meiz_n810 | hmm.. zenity (in Mer) depends on some gnome stuff... |
| 17:55.27 | johnx | zenity in mer so far is just ubuntu's zenity |
| 17:55.34 | qwerty12 | I'm packaging zenity for Maemo |
| 17:55.34 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 17:56.24 | Meiz_n810 | nm-applet is weird ... it shows all near by ap:s buut is unable to connect :( |
| 17:56.30 | Meiz_n810 | (in Mer agn) |
| 17:56.42 | johnx | I blame cx3110x |
| 17:56.49 | Stslaptop | Meiz_n810: i had same problem though |
| 17:57.01 | Stslaptop | it doesnt show connection or attempt at it |
| 17:57.07 | johnx | even ifup wlan0 is kind of shakey |
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| 17:58.25 | Stslaptop | evening GAN800 |
| 17:59.04 | johnx | ok, update-alternatives will let me do x-window-manager but not x-session-manager |
| 17:59.15 | Stslaptop | that's odd |
| 17:59.27 | Stslaptop | you provide the alternative first, and then config to set it? |
| 17:59.45 | qwerty12 | ok, for zenity, I've split the packages like this: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/zenity.png . Any problems? |
| 18:00.11 | johnx | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-session-manager x-session-manager /usr/bin/start-hildon 50 |
| 18:00.22 | johnx | if I s/session/window/ it works |
| 18:01.15 | lcuk | this feels so much better as a library :) |
| 18:01.16 | Stslaptop | and if not, it does what? |
| 18:01.20 | johnx | got it :) |
| 18:01.24 | Stslaptop | ah |
| 18:01.52 | johnx | one of my earlier attempts must have set it to manual mode, so when I ran it in auto mode it was politely deferring to me :) |
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| 18:02.32 | GAN800 | Howdy |
| 18:03.11 | lcuk | hiya gan |
| 18:04.17 | johnx | how goes the war general? |
| 18:06.46 | lcuk | johnx, not good by the looks of things, he apparantly still has his fingers but his eyes have been removed |
| 18:07.20 | johnx | lcuk, I choose to believe he's typing me up a detailed status report on his onscreen keyboard :) |
| 18:08.38 | lcuk | not on your nelly, he is a general, he is dictating a detailed status report and some female soldier lass is typing up his notes onto his onscreen keyboard |
| 18:09.41 | GAN800 | johnx, last day at work. |
| 18:10.10 | lcuk | damn, i cant get my makefile to work, i want a simple file which for each *.c file will produce a same named binary (this is for examples folder) |
| 18:10.51 | lcuk | RST38h, did you say you had something similar |
| 18:12.09 | Stslaptop | GAN800: regarding mer & maemo.org sprint for january - we're getting closer to initial image, but think the only proposal i'd like to propose for jan 09 is discussion on mer repositories/builder and get the details down and such, and more discussion on redistribution |
| 18:12.21 | Stslaptop | er, distribution, not redistribution |
| 18:12.35 | Stslaptop | xmas holidays took a little more out of my time than expected :) |
| 18:13.17 | johnx | you can say that again |
| 18:13.21 | RST38h | lcuk: with the makefile? |
| 18:13.27 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:13.37 | RST38h | Here is how you do it: |
| 18:13.43 | RST38h | target: target.c |
| 18:14.07 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.13 | RST38h | for each example |
| 18:14.38 | RST38h | For CFLAGS: |
| 18:14.54 | GAN800 | Stslaptop, don't have to tell me twice. <_< |
| 18:15.25 | RST38h | CFLAGS = -Wall -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 gconf-2.0 libosso hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 --cflags --libs` |
| 18:15.27 | lcuk | yeah i can get cflags and ldflags RST38h , thanks |
| 18:15.30 | Stslaptop | GAN800: i said this already? :P my mind is messed up these days :) |
| 18:15.43 | RST38h | where the line after pkg-config contains the Maemo libraries you are going to use |
| 18:15.43 | Stslaptop | (or did you mean that xmas holidays took up more time for you too) |
| 18:16.04 | johnx | Stslaptop, I think that was agreement from him :) |
| 18:16.07 | lcuk | yeah rst, i already have: CFLAGS = -fPIC -DUSE_MAEMO -Wall `freetype-config --cflags` `pkg-config --cflags $(LIBRARIES)` |
| 18:16.09 | johnx | I'm gonna have to start gearing up for next christmas soon if it's gonna be like this one O_o |
| 18:16.23 | GAN800 | Stslaptop, maybe an Americanism. But I mean that I know exactly what you're saying. ;) |
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| 18:16.31 | lcuk | and a list of libraries in LIBRARIES |
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| 18:17.48 | lcuk | RST38h, do i have to specify each *.c file or can i enumerate from the folder (like i said i didnt want to do for the main code :D lol) |
| 18:19.26 | RST38h | lcuk: If you want to create separate binaries from them, you should specify such a rule for each .c file |
| 18:19.33 | RST38h | lcuk: at the top, add this line: |
| 18:19.44 | RST38h | all:<tab><list of all binaries> |
| 18:20.10 | lcuk | people like simple examples instead of monolithic ones im gonna just put a few together :$ |
| 18:20.11 | RST38h | this way, when you type "make" or "make all", it will know to compile all binaries |
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| 18:20.42 | lcuk | well this is the examples folder, i thought there was a way to just basically run gcc on everything |
| 18:21.00 | lcuk | but if not ill just list all of them |
| 18:23.25 | johnx | haha! auto-startx and hildon-desktop-env play nice :) |
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| 18:26.03 | johnx | next step: trim the init script out of maemo-launcher ... tomorrow |
| 18:26.14 | johnx | 'night all |
| 18:26.28 | GAN800 | night |
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| 18:27.46 | lcuk | johnx, see you in a few minutes |
| 18:28.55 | johnx | lcuk, just because of that little remark I won't be responding to any more comments tonight ... oh wait :P |
| 18:29.01 | lcuk | :D heh |
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| 19:08.59 | Meiz_n810 | hello b-man |
| 19:09.11 | b-man | hello |
| 19:09.34 | b-man | how did merinstaller-1.4.1-1 go? |
| 19:09.44 | b-man | eny errors? |
| 19:09.54 | Meiz_n810 | installer still doesn't want to ask me about partition to install |
| 19:10.05 | Meiz_n810 | :( |
| 19:10.25 | b-man | is flabergasted |
| 19:10.32 | Meiz_n810 | i used imager to get my Mer back |
| 19:11.12 | b-man | it did not work even with 1.4.1-1?? |
| 19:11.24 | zs | is there any info how to create .deb package step by step? |
| 19:11.41 | b-man | i tested it and it worked fine with me |
| 19:11.54 | b-man | is bewildered |
| 19:12.05 | Meiz_n810 | b-man n800 or n810? |
| 19:12.10 | b-man | n800 |
| 19:12.21 | Meiz_n810 | might be about it |
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| 19:13.32 | b-man | hmm, perhaps i could get someone with an N810 to help fine-tune the installer... |
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| 19:15.34 | b-man | Meiz_n810, you want to help in fine-tuneing? :) |
| 19:15.50 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 19:16.01 | Meiz_n810 | i'll help :) |
| 19:16.09 | b-man | i'll upload the sorce :) |
| 19:16.15 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 19:18.02 | b-man | http://rapidshare.com/files/179451932/merinstaller-1.4.1-1.tar.gz.html |
| 19:19.52 | Meiz_n810 | !! |
| 19:19.59 | Meiz_n810 | i know what's wrong |
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| 19:20.09 | b-man | what!?!?!? |
| 19:20.26 | Meiz_n810 | when it asks me: would you like to partition, i selected no |
| 19:20.48 | Meiz_n810 | then it skipped the target selection |
| 19:20.55 | Meiz_n810 | (too) |
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| 19:22.01 | AI6PG | me |
| 19:22.09 | b-man | i thaught i fixed that.... i guess it was the wrong script ;p |
| 19:22.32 | b-man | fells stupid |
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| 19:23.12 | b-man | zs; http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ - will tell you everything you need to know. |
| 19:28.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, would zenity be better if it used a hildon file selector? hmm, guess I'll have to make it do so anyway as gtk file selector is making zenity go crazy... |
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| 19:30.06 | b-man | i'd suggest hildon file select :) |
| 19:30.35 | b-man | a lot easer to manage. |
| 19:32.22 | qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, I'm sending it to extras-devel tomorrow after spending an hour or two packaging it properly so getting in some hildonizations will be good :) |
| 19:35.09 | b-man | i'm allmost done with the Ubuntu Jaunty on N8x0 guide :D expect to see it sometime tonight in the Debian thread. ;) |
| 19:35.33 | b-man | it's verry long. :p |
| 19:42.54 | Meiz_n810 | why debian thread? |
| 19:45.06 | b-man | because i just thaught that it would be a good place, unless you want me to contact Reggie and have a ubuntu thread :) |
| 19:46.52 | Meiz_n810 | i suggest to not use the subforums, then just say in your message, that it would be great to have ubuntu/mer subforums :P |
| 19:47.27 | Stskeeps | i'd wait personally with mer forums until its more established |
| 19:47.57 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 19:54.39 | b-man | Stskeeps, how did you get the vertual keyboard to work in mer? because my ubuntu-desktop keeps restarting every time i try to use xkbd or matchbox-keyboard. |
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| 19:55.03 | Stskeeps | b-man: it's hildon-input-method |
| 19:55.18 | Stskeeps | and requires matchbox so |
| 19:55.24 | Stskeeps | but its weird it restarts O_o |
| 19:56.18 | b-man | it claims that xorg restarts because hal can't find proper keymaps. |
| 19:56.30 | Stskeeps | not impossible i guess |
| 19:56.44 | Stskeeps | xkbdata or the likes maybe |
| 19:56.54 | Stskeeps | i dunno what hal is up to |
| 19:56.58 | Stskeeps | google the error? :P |
| 19:57.20 | b-man | it trys to look for kernel-keymaps... i think |
| 19:57.37 | b-man | but can't find them, so it fails |
| 19:57.43 | Stskeeps | console-data? :P |
| 19:57.57 | b-man | i'll check. |
| 20:07.38 | b-man | just installed it, hope my kb works.. |
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| 20:08.06 | lcuk | shakes his head @ make - my god its powerful but nothing at all like vb ;) |
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| 21:01.36 | solmumaha | any dbus-experts around? |
| 21:02.34 | Proteous | I'm a shortbus expert |
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| 21:03.00 | solmumaha | anyone know if it's possible to somehow give a commandline argument to an app when started from the menu but not when started by dbus? |
| 21:03.56 | x29a | hmm, apt-get says it cant find e2fsprogs, should i use the .deb that does it all instead? |
| 21:04.07 | solmumaha | it works if i remove X-Osso-Service from the .desktop so that it uses the Exec, but then i don't get the "Starting app" banner |
| 21:05.55 | qwerty12_N800 | In your service file, you have an Exec option there too |
| 21:07.04 | solmumaha | yes, but when started from the menu, it uses dbus which then uses that exec? |
| 21:09.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Yes, X-Osso-Service takes priority over the Exec line in the desktop file but I don't think I read your question properly |
| 21:09.01 | x29a | hmm, is the 480MB really enough for the system? |
| 21:09.08 | x29a | i want to boot from external, which is 8GB, i want to install a lot of appz, which will then go on / right? |
| 21:10.55 | solmumaha | qwerty12_N800: when the app is started from the menu, it needs a commandline argument, but when it's started by an rpc call (dbus), it shouldn't get that argument |
| 21:11.13 | alterego | cheers. |
| 21:11.24 | alterego | context = GPS.start; context.stop; |
| 21:11.33 | alterego | That's all you need to do in ruby to start and stop the GPS daemon :) |
| 21:11.46 | solmumaha | sounds complicated |
| 21:11.49 | alterego | No more starting Nokia Maps just to read GPS data now ^_^ |
| 21:12.41 | qwerty12_N800 | solmumaha, hmm, where else would it be launched via dbus apart from the menu? |
| 21:12.55 | solmumaha | from a desktop applet |
| 21:13.06 | x29a | folks, why is e2fsprogs not in apt-get? |
| 21:13.27 | alterego | x29a: have you tried enabling the extras repository? |
| 21:13.46 | x29a | alterego: yes, im in xterm |
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| 21:14.04 | alterego | How does being in xterm mean you've enabled the extras repository? |
| 21:14.05 | x29a | i do have extras, but im trying to follow the guide to boot from external |
| 21:14.27 | stelleg | hey anyone know how to kernel debug over usb? |
| 21:14.40 | stelleg | the fading nokia sign isn't particularly helpful |
| 21:15.06 | x29a | alterego: is there more then one 'extra repo'? i enabled the one which gives me a lot of apps to install via the graphical interface, but now im using apt-get |
| 21:15.20 | alterego | Hmm |
| 21:15.31 | alterego | Well, maybe it's not there then. |
| 21:15.40 | x29a | hehe |
| 21:18.26 | solmumaha | x29a: try enabling chinook extras |
| 21:19.30 | x29a | hm, my sources.list is empty |
| 21:19.42 | stelleg | oops |
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| 21:24.28 | x29a | solmumaha: adding the extra-devel helped |
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| 21:54.19 | born2wonderN810 | hi everyone, can i run the mer bootmenu and flashing setup (deb package) without having to go through the required steps of downloading and extracting the rootfs? |
| 22:00.54 | lcuk | \o/ i have test cases using the library for: grey font rendering, color font rendering, image blitting with and without blending, sketch blitting :D |
| 22:00.56 | born2wonderN810 | after installation of mer finished and the flashing seemingly done correctly , there is no bootmenu and NIT loads to flash automatically |
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| 22:01.27 | Mousey | hi |
| 22:01.34 | Mousey | will minigpsd make my gps aquire faster? |
| 22:03.06 | lcuk | no |
| 22:03.35 | Mousey | ;_; |
| 22:03.50 | lcuk | sure, they are here http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_204824.lib.scr.png |
| 22:03.50 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_213257.lib.scr.png |
| 22:03.50 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_213341.lib.scr.png |
| 22:03.50 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_215839.lib.scr.png |
| 22:03.50 | lcuk | balls |
| 22:05.21 | qwerty12_N800 | gets out his northerner to southerner converter |
| 22:05.55 | lcuk | oi, i need something which doesnt come back to different chans when im talking |
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| 22:09.16 | Proteous | something which doesn't come back to different chans? |
| 22:09.35 | Proteous | boggles on lcuk's sentence |
| 22:10.19 | qwerty12_N800 | Proteous, don't worry about it, i just pretend to understand northerner |
| 22:10.31 | qwerty12_N800 | -er |
| 22:11.07 | lcuk | at least my code isnt written in rabcnesbitt |
| 22:11.42 | qwerty12_N800 | see? who else understands that? |
| 22:13.00 | qwerty12_N800 | cackles loudly |
| 22:13.47 | x29a | hm, i dont get it, when booting from external card, what goes in the 480MB dospartition and what in the rest of the sd card? i want to use my sdcard instead of flash/internal mmc |
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| 22:45.09 | rm_you | what happened to maemo-recorder? |
| 22:45.29 | qwerty12_N800 | still should be in extras iirc |
| 22:45.33 | rm_you | hrm |
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| 22:48.46 | mib_ibbfeo | So I heard it's now possible to install Debian on an N810 |
| 22:48.53 | mib_ibbfeo | It's about time =) I've been waiting for that forever |
| 22:50.24 | oli | qwerty12_N800: has anyone made anyremote script set for tablets yet? |
| 22:52.52 | qwerty12_N800 | oli, nope, only thing ever done was http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=209643&postcount=25 which I don't think is what you are looking for... |
| 22:55.15 | oli | qwerty12_N800: yes, i've seen that post. I will try to modify it by myself. however it's nice to control mpd with my n6230i via bt :) |
| 22:55.39 | qwerty12_N800 | bemused mpd? :D |
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| 22:56.44 | oli | eee? no, normal mpd from maemo garage + anyremote bulit-in script |
| 22:57.44 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, thanks! Didn't know anyremote could do that, i built bemused mpd but it has an annoying disconnection problem |
| 22:59.08 | oli | anyremote+mpd is excellent, but it's the only script that works OK |
| 23:00.06 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, mplayer one gave me a funky double press problem last time iirc |
| 23:00.09 | oli | other ex. file browsing need change, busybox ls has got other parameters than ls from gnu coreutils |
| 23:00.59 | qwerty12_N800 | busybox's one sucks, i use http://nitapps.com/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/color_ls_1.0-1_armel.deb |
| 23:01.18 | qwerty12_N800 | replaces ls safely with an coreutils one |
| 23:01.31 | oli | i must have it, colors are really useful for me :) |
| 23:02.01 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, I can't live without ls with colour on tablet now :D |
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| 23:18.16 | b-man | ubuntu for nit's; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 - have fun! |
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| 23:34.38 | lcuk | standard gtk, what do i use if i want just a small (100x100pixel) area |
| 23:34.51 | lcuk | (with a backing x11 window) |
| 23:35.09 | AStorm | DrawingArea |
| 23:36.10 | lcuk | excellent, thank you :) |
| 23:36.28 | lcuk | (was just clicking onto the page as well :D) |
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| 23:42.25 | b-man | born2wonder; http://rapidshare.com/files/179521540/merinstaller.deb.html |
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| 23:51.34 | b-man | lcuk, Astorm; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 - take a look :D |
| 23:52.11 | AStorm | meh ubuntu |
| 23:52.24 | AStorm | I want a build of Gentoo :P |
| 23:54.41 | b-man | someone is allrety working on Gentoo :) |
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| 23:57.06 | AStorm | I know |
| 23:57.23 | AStorm | it should be simple really |
| 23:57.32 | AStorm | I'm just strapped for time right now |
