| 00:00.25 | zakkm | yeah |
| 00:00.25 | zakkm | i just rad |
| 00:00.25 | zakkm | read |
| 00:00.26 | zakkm | it broke gmail and stuff too |
| 00:00.55 | b-man | holy sh*t, 102 people vuewing nitdroid thread right now - 5 members and 97 guests... :O http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25410&page=28 |
| 00:01.23 | zakkm | its cause its amazing :) |
| 00:01.35 | b-man | yah! |
| 00:02.35 | b-man | including you, jakemaheu.. |
| 00:05.17 | christendoc | sip phone functional in nitdroid? (haven't looked - apology for ignorance in either direction) |
| 00:05.24 | jakemaheu | yay |
| 00:05.30 | jakemaheu | nom i don't think so |
| 00:05.39 | jakemaheu | s/nom/no/ |
| 00:07.09 | lcuk | im off 2 bed, gnite guys |
| 00:07.18 | zakkm | goodnight lcuk |
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| 00:08.41 | b-man | see you tomorrow |
| 00:12.37 | RzR | what about omoko support on NIT? |
| 00:14.29 | RzR | Stskeeps: i am reading your page : http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/wiki/770Port |
| 00:14.56 | RzR | Stskeeps: you said 2GB is requiered ? |
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| 00:17.29 | b-man | if you are using a desktop env... |
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| 00:41.26 | GAN8001 | RzR, OpenMoko sucks. |
| 00:41.45 | jakemaheu | why is that? |
| 00:41.56 | RzR | because it's opensource ;) |
| 00:44.40 | jakemaheu | wow |
| 00:44.50 | jakemaheu | so maemo sucks too? |
| 00:44.56 | jakemaheu | and linux in general? |
| 00:45.02 | GAN8001 | jakemaheu, it's about as polished as OS2005 was. |
| 00:45.03 | jakemaheu | and android? |
| 00:45.09 | jakemaheu | good point |
| 00:45.19 | GAN8001 | It suffers from a REALLY terrible UI |
| 00:45.22 | housetier | linux sucks bad, the rest sucks worse |
| 00:45.39 | jakemaheu | luckily, i got my 770 after os2006 came out |
| 00:46.05 | RzR | jakemaheu: which OS are you running on it ? |
| 00:46.21 | RzR | i am hesitating between nitdroid and deblet |
| 00:47.10 | jakemaheu | right now? |
| 00:47.30 | RzR | in next days ... |
| 00:47.31 | jakemaheu | i've got an n800, and i'm switching between diablo and nitdroid |
| 00:47.40 | jakemaheu | for little tasks |
| 00:47.52 | jakemaheu | it's not hard, just a little inconvenient |
| 00:53.24 | GAN8001 | RzR, the reality is that the only really day-to-day usable OS right now is Maemo. |
| 00:53.37 | GAN8001 | Deblet sucks battery and isn't finger-friendly |
| 00:53.44 | GAN8001 | Nitdroid is mostly PoC |
| 00:53.54 | RzR | poc ? |
| 00:54.01 | GAN8001 | Proof of Concept |
| 00:54.04 | RzR | ok |
| 00:54.19 | RzR | that's what i am interessed in |
| 00:54.27 | jakemaheu | it's not bad for a PoC |
| 00:55.37 | zakkm | hey if bugs get fixed, it wont be a PoC anymore ;p |
| 00:55.44 | lardman | night all |
| 00:58.25 | Vulcanis | pfft |
| 00:58.30 | Vulcanis | I want easydroid |
| 01:00.46 | jakemaheu | Vulcanis, I'm writing a guide to install it right now. |
| 01:01.03 | Vulcanis | no, I mean like easydebian |
| 01:01.09 | jakemaheu | ah |
| 01:01.13 | Vulcanis | where you can just run it without booting into it |
| 01:01.19 | jakemaheu | as in being able to install from extras |
| 01:01.25 | jakemaheu | i could probably do it |
| 01:01.29 | jakemaheu | oh |
| 01:01.40 | jakemaheu | just use penguinbait's |
| 01:01.54 | jakemaheu | lol that thread shouldn'y be stickied |
| 01:02.07 | Tu13es | does Skype for maemo do video yet? |
| 01:02.39 | Vulcanis | I don't know about the 810, but I wouldn't want anyone to see me with my n800 cam |
| 01:03.02 | Tu13es | i dont care if its crappy quality, i just want it to work |
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| 01:06.25 | GAN800 | Tu13es, harass Skype. |
| 01:07.37 | GAN800 | andre__, isn't your search redundant? |
| 01:08.17 | andre__ | to? |
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| 01:10.41 | Veggen | among other, of 25984987 |
| 01:11.00 | andre__ | GAN800, in a perfect world, all bugs get verified by the reporter :) |
| 01:11.08 | GAN800 | andre__, well, bugs can be CLOSED, RESOLVED or VERIFIED, but they're all 'FIXED' |
| 01:11.28 | GAN800 | FIXED is a separate field. |
| 01:11.42 | andre__ | oops |
| 01:11.59 | andre__ | i shouldn't answer mail when i just got home :) |
| 01:12.06 | GAN800 | or does only specifying 'FIXED' in a search _assume_ RESOLVED? |
| 01:12.23 | GAN800 | I demand an appology! :P |
| 01:12.43 | GAN800 | was worried he'd misunderstood the search mechanics. :D |
| 01:13.34 | andre__ | done :) |
| 01:14.52 | GAN800 | Long damn Christmas party and I gotta work in the morning. |
| 01:14.56 | GAN800 | dies. |
| 01:15.13 | andre__ | die after christmas! grab your presents first! |
| 01:15.30 | GAN800 | I already know what I got. |
| 01:15.48 | GAN800 | Kinda sad, picked out my own christmas present. :D |
| 01:15.54 | andre__ | tss! |
| 01:16.01 | andre__ | do good kids do this? NO! |
| 01:16.53 | GAN800 | Hehe, getting the perfect rice maker though |
| 01:17.33 | GAN800 | Oh, ha, I was gonna razz you yesterday because I triaged tz's latest round of insane bugs. :p |
| 01:17.58 | GAN800 | But you weren't here and I was disappointed. ;) |
| 01:18.05 | andre__ | sometimes leaves the country for a weekend and lives in hotels without wifi :) |
| 01:18.41 | GAN800 | Woo, 3G |
| 01:18.58 | andre__ | hehe, i'm sorry. :) was at a concert yesterday evening. don't expect me to hang on the internet when on vacation ;-) |
| 01:19.08 | GAN800 | :P |
| 01:19.45 | andre__ | i'm already glad that they allowed me to reenter germany again today :-P |
| 01:20.23 | dystopia | Tu13es: fwiw, Gizmo supports that |
| 01:20.26 | GAN800 | Never left the country. :/ |
| 01:20.37 | Tu13es | dystopia: hm, with other Gizmo users only yes? |
| 01:20.46 | andre__ | GAN800, because you're country is too huge. hard to get to its borders :) |
| 01:20.52 | andre__ | s/you're/your |
| 01:20.54 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 01:21.16 | GAN800 | I'd have to travel 3 days to get to a land border. |
| 01:21.40 | andre__ | for me it's like 3 hours by train. depends on the direction though... |
| 01:22.23 | GAN800 | Oops, yet another dupe |
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| 01:23.43 | andre__ | hmm, let's see what bugs GAN800 has left for me for tomorrow morning ;-) |
| 01:24.20 | GAN800 | Only the ones filed after I've gone to bed. :P |
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| 01:29.49 | AStorm | is Nokia going to use a real shell with fremantle, or still neutered busybox ash? |
| 01:30.03 | AStorm | (considering to write an enhancement request) |
| 01:32.28 | andre__ | busybox i think |
| 01:32.44 | andre__ | at least i heard that they plan to ship a more recent version for fremantle, so i assume that... |
| 01:34.09 | AStorm | more recent != with all the options |
| 01:34.20 | AStorm | so, I should better file a request |
| 01:34.44 | AStorm | (not that bash would hurt) |
| 01:34.54 | AStorm | (or coreutils) |
| 01:35.54 | ShadowJK_ | can't you apt-get bash? |
| 01:36.06 | AStorm | yes, but init uses sh |
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| 01:36.09 | AStorm | :) |
| 01:36.18 | AStorm | and esp. initfs |
| 01:36.32 | AStorm | and the more I'm diverging, the more SSU will break |
| 01:36.55 | AStorm | (binary distro, broken packaging dilemma) |
| 01:38.37 | AStorm | and less possible for me to report bugs |
| 01:38.52 | AStorm | (that's why I prize an amorphous distro like Gentoo) |
| 01:39.16 | AStorm | (although it does increase support load) |
| 01:41.37 | AStorm | that's what I think mer will become |
| 01:41.59 | AStorm | an actual collection of setups |
| 01:42.40 | `0660 | when can have gentoo for nits!? |
| 01:43.03 | `0660 | i cannot wait to compile everything with my tablet |
| 01:43.25 | `0660 | and his pathetic troll :) |
| 01:45.12 | christendoc | `0660: www.nosocomia.com/n810-gentoo :) It could work better, ... but it works. |
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| 01:47.47 | GAN800 | AStorm, initfs is gone |
| 01:47.59 | GAN800 | So anything related to it is WONTFIX |
| 01:48.00 | AStorm | mhm |
| 01:48.07 | AStorm | it's not |
| 01:48.13 | AStorm | it's related to shell |
| 01:48.22 | AStorm | more of a reason not to use busybox |
| 01:48.24 | AStorm | :) |
| 01:49.02 | AStorm | busybox is for really tiny constrained devices |
| 01:49.12 | `0660 | wow |
| 01:49.13 | AStorm | 256 MB of jffs2 is not that |
| 01:49.43 | AStorm | and they won't have to even port anything |
| 01:54.07 | AStorm | at least, enable all or most features of bb |
| 01:54.19 | AStorm | bug report tbd |
| 02:15.02 | jakemaheu | hey |
| 02:15.04 | jakemaheu | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=251617 |
| 02:15.24 | jakemaheu | I just wrote a tutorial to getting NITdroid working on the N800. |
| 02:15.55 | jakemaheu | Took me like 2 hours, and I did each step on my tablet before writing it. |
| 02:17.03 | Tu13es | oh, awesome |
| 02:17.14 | Tu13es | I *just* made a post somewhere basically asking for a newb guide lol |
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| 02:17.44 | shalabh | helo |
| 02:17.51 | jakemaheu | enjoy |
| 02:18.05 | jakemaheu | if you have any bugs, just post them and i'll try to help |
| 02:18.18 | Tu13es | will do |
| 02:18.54 | shalabh | I'm flashing n800 with the latest os2008 bin - it's stuck at 'Flashing initfs... ' how long should it usually take? |
| 02:20.02 | jakemaheu | i dnno |
| 02:20.10 | jakemaheu | s/dnno/dunno |
| 02:20.14 | jakemaheu | s/dnno/dunno/ |
| 02:20.28 | jakemaheu | crap |
| 02:24.22 | jakemaheu | what do ya think? |
| 02:26.30 | shalabh | ok i reflashed and it finished without problems |
| 02:28.07 | jakemaheu | GOOD |
| 02:28.13 | jakemaheu | s/GOOD/good |
| 02:28.14 | jakemaheu | s/GOOD/good/ |
| 02:28.19 | jakemaheu | gah! |
| 02:28.27 | jakemaheu | good, you were able to reflash |
| 02:28.37 | jakemaheu | ~curse sed |
| 02:28.38 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, sed ! |
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| 02:30.09 | jakemaheu | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=251617 |
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| 02:32.22 | UserID10T | Hey everyone! |
| 02:33.02 | UserID10T | Anyone have a moment to help with a hopefully quick question? |
| 02:33.15 | jakemaheu | sure |
| 02:33.23 | jakemaheu | shoot |
| 02:33.40 | UserID10T | I am attempting to update os2008 to the most recent version |
| 02:33.44 | jakemaheu | k |
| 02:33.45 | UserID10T | But it's telling me I'm missing packages. |
| 02:33.50 | UserID10T | I have no idea how to get those. |
| 02:33.56 | jakemaheu | hmm |
| 02:33.58 | UserID10T | I am fairly new to maemo, linux etc. |
| 02:34.07 | jakemaheu | do you have diablo or chinook? |
| 02:34.13 | UserID10T | diablo |
| 02:34.16 | jakemaheu | alright |
| 02:34.36 | jakemaheu | and you're trying to update to 5.43-7 or whatever? |
| 02:34.55 | UserID10T | Not sure... |
| 02:35.01 | UserID10T | Available version is... |
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| 02:35.09 | UserID10T | 1:4.2008.46-5 |
| 02:35.17 | UserID10T | correction: 1:4.2008.36-5 |
| 02:35.19 | jakemaheu | alright, just a sec |
| 02:35.35 | UserID10T | Thanks! |
| 02:35.50 | jakemaheu | what kind of tablet do you have? |
| 02:35.58 | UserID10T | N800 |
| 02:36.02 | jakemaheu | good |
| 02:36.20 | UserID10T | I've thought about snagging an N810 eventually. I dig the keyboard :D |
| 02:36.43 | jakemaheu | what packages does it say you're missing? |
| 02:37.38 | UserID10T | One second. Updating list. |
| 02:37.41 | jakemaheu | k |
| 02:38.58 | UserID10T | gstreamer0.10-plugins-extra, libdb4.2, libglade2-0, libxml2, makedev, and libtinymail-1.0.0 |
| 02:39.14 | jakemaheu | alright, do you want to keep your apps? |
| 02:39.34 | UserID10T | All of my apps? |
| 02:39.37 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 02:39.43 | jakemaheu | or any |
| 02:39.45 | UserID10T | I don't mind starting over. I can get the packages again. |
| 02:39.49 | jakemaheu | alright |
| 02:39.54 | UserID10T | If I can save a select few, great. |
| 02:39.58 | UserID10T | Easier recovery. |
| 02:40.05 | jakemaheu | are you on linux, mac, or windows? |
| 02:40.10 | UserID10T | Windows. |
| 02:40.37 | jakemaheu | alright |
| 02:40.41 | jakemaheu | you have the updater |
| 02:40.44 | jakemaheu | ? |
| 02:40.48 | UserID10T | I think I still do. |
| 02:41.07 | UserID10T | Yes. |
| 02:41.11 | UserID10T | Sure do. |
| 02:41.11 | UserID10T | Hooray! |
| 02:41.42 | jakemaheu | It should do a complete flash to the newest firmware: 5.2008.43-7 |
| 02:41.49 | UserID10T | Great. |
| 02:41.56 | jakemaheu | but you'll lose all your settings and apps |
| 02:42.08 | jakemaheu | not so great |
| 02:42.51 | jakemaheu | but it's prolly the fastest way, if you don't mind |
| 02:43.33 | UserID10T | Trying now. |
| 02:43.37 | jakemaheu | alright |
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| 02:43.49 | jakemaheu | hey pupnik |
| 02:44.51 | UserID10T | The updater isn't detecting the tablet... |
| 02:44.54 | UserID10T | What was the trick again? |
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| 02:45.41 | jakemaheu | turn it off, plug in the usb cable, then hold down the home key and the power button |
| 02:45.48 | jakemaheu | in that order |
| 02:46.12 | jakemaheu | did it give you a version number for the flash? |
| 02:46.18 | UserID10T | Working on it |
| 02:46.37 | UserID10T | Found it! |
| 02:46.45 | UserID10T | 43-7 |
| 02:46.48 | jakemaheu | Hurk |
| 02:46.49 | UserID10T | Is the newest |
| 02:46.54 | jakemaheu | it isn't |
| 02:47.00 | jakemaheu | the newest is: 5.2008.43-7 |
| 02:47.05 | jakemaheu | er, nvm |
| 02:47.09 | UserID10T | That's what I said. |
| 02:47.10 | UserID10T | Hehe |
| 02:47.11 | jakemaheu | i'm just retarded |
| 02:47.18 | UserID10T | HAHAHAHA No way, you're my hero. |
| 02:47.37 | UserID10T | I've been wanting to see these updates for a while now. |
| 02:47.43 | jakemaheu | it's no prob-- there are other ways, but reflashing is probably the easiest for you |
| 02:48.00 | UserID10T | apt-get would have worked, hm? |
| 02:48.07 | jakemaheu | the updates are stability, x-server (i think), and browser and modest updates |
| 02:48.45 | UserID10T | Yup |
| 02:48.47 | jakemaheu | modest is the email client |
| 02:48.49 | UserID10T | I am hoping to see them. |
| 02:48.50 | jakemaheu | btw |
| 02:48.53 | jakemaheu | alright |
| 02:48.54 | UserID10T | Yessir, I knew that. |
| 02:49.01 | jakemaheu | k |
| 02:49.04 | jakemaheu | XD |
| 02:49.06 | UserID10T | All I've learned, I've learned from breaking maemo <3 |
| 02:49.18 | UserID10T | And to thank you for your help. |
| 02:49.18 | UserID10T | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxn9jhypHfo |
| 02:50.04 | jakemaheu | no prob |
| 02:50.26 | UserID10T | I was having a weird issue... |
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| 02:50.42 | UserID10T | Whenever I got a certain package...it would change the display "Opening Application" |
| 02:50.53 | UserID10T | To "ckct_application...running" |
| 02:51.03 | UserID10T | Something like that. |
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| 02:51.25 | fluxnuk3r | johnx: you here? |
| 02:51.31 | UserID10T | At this point though, it should be gone, so thank you. |
| 02:51.38 | UserID10T | Reflashing WAS my best option. |
| 02:51.51 | jakemaheu | it's no issue |
| 02:51.54 | jakemaheu | heh |
| 02:52.10 | jakemaheu | i've helped like 2 people today and now i feel good about it |
| 02:52.24 | UserID10T | You should! Shame I can't really help you though. |
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| 02:53.29 | jakemaheu | it's fine-- usually if i have a problem i ask one of the higher-ups |
| 02:53.46 | jakemaheu | s/higher-ups/more knowledgeable people for help/ |
| 02:54.24 | UserID10T | Woah. |
| 02:54.25 | UserID10T | lol |
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| 02:55.06 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 02:55.13 | jakemaheu | that's called sed |
| 02:55.24 | UserID10T | sed? |
| 02:55.27 | jakemaheu | basically, if you mess something up |
| 02:55.31 | jakemaheu | you can try and fix it |
| 02:55.53 | jakemaheu | you type "s/original word/new word/" |
| 02:55.59 | UserID10T | Sometimes I like breaking things just to try to fix them. Heh. |
| 02:56.01 | jakemaheu | the s stands for sed |
| 02:56.06 | jakemaheu | type bob |
| 02:56.14 | UserID10T | bob |
| 02:56.16 | jakemaheu | then try sed |
| 02:56.19 | UserID10T | bob sed |
| 02:56.24 | jakemaheu | er type bob again |
| 02:56.30 | UserID10T | bob |
| 02:56.53 | UserID10T | I think it hates me. Heh. That or I misunderstood. |
| 02:57.37 | jakemaheu | try it now |
| 02:57.55 | UserID10T | s/bob/scooby doo |
| 02:58.05 | UserID10T | s/bob/scooby doo/ |
| 02:58.10 | UserID10T | lol |
| 02:58.15 | jakemaheu | you have to type scooby doo first |
| 02:58.17 | UserID10T | Well I get the functionality even though I forgot the / |
| 02:58.18 | jakemaheu | then do s/ |
| 02:58.28 | UserID10T | s/functionality/disfunctionality/ |
| 02:58.35 | jakemaheu | yes! |
| 02:58.36 | UserID10T | ;) |
| 02:58.38 | jakemaheu | there you go! |
| 02:58.46 | UserID10T | Awesome. That |
| 02:58.47 | jakemaheu | you've learned something new today. |
| 02:58.49 | UserID10T | That's really useful. |
| 02:58.58 | UserID10T | That I did. |
| 02:59.05 | jakemaheu | yeah, it comes in handy when you're on a lousy keyboard |
| 02:59.09 | UserID10T | Wow...browser IS better. |
| 02:59.14 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 03:00.27 | UserID10T | Any useful or cool apps you suggest? |
| 03:01.06 | jakemaheu | erm... mplayer |
| 03:01.08 | jakemaheu | mytube |
| 03:01.15 | jakemaheu | nitdroid |
| 03:01.16 | jakemaheu | lol |
| 03:01.20 | UserID10T | mplayer and mytube are PRICELESS |
| 03:01.26 | jakemaheu | i know, right! |
| 03:01.28 | UserID10T | I loved the new kinetic scroll update |
| 03:01.31 | jakemaheu | i love them |
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| 03:01.41 | UserID10T | You like nitroid? |
| 03:01.53 | UserID10T | s/nitroid/nitdroid/ |
| 03:01.57 | UserID10T | :D |
| 03:01.58 | jakemaheu | it's not bad, and i wrote a guide to getting it running |
| 03:02.09 | UserID10T | Sweet, I am eager to try it. |
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| 03:02.15 | UserID10T | Is there an iphone emulator? |
| 03:02.17 | jakemaheu | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25736 |
| 03:02.20 | jakemaheu | nope |
| 03:02.25 | jakemaheu | proprietary |
| 03:02.28 | UserID10T | Gotcha |
| 03:02.50 | UserID10T | I've been looking for an SNES emulator, but those who've gotten one to work say they run at about 10 or less fps |
| 03:02.56 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 03:03.07 | jakemaheu | the NES emus are pretty good, tho |
| 03:03.13 | jakemaheu | i use iNES |
| 03:03.23 | UserID10T | I use it too. |
| 03:03.36 | UserID10T | That and the gameboy emulator. |
| 03:03.42 | jakemaheu | same here, lol |
| 03:03.52 | jakemaheu | i have canola, but i don't use it very often |
| 03:03.57 | UserID10T | I use my n800 for games and movies primarily. |
| 03:04.00 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 03:04.00 | UserID10T | Canola is too heavy... |
| 03:04.02 | Vulcanis | sameish |
| 03:04.09 | UserID10T | I prefer lite players, but Canola is so pretty. |
| 03:04.14 | jakemaheu | Vulcanis, hmm? |
| 03:04.19 | UserID10T | Vulcanis? |
| 03:04.19 | jakemaheu | it is |
| 03:04.26 | jakemaheu | the user |
| 03:04.27 | Vulcanis | games+video+random other things |
| 03:04.29 | jakemaheu | ah |
| 03:04.48 | jakemaheu | Here's a game: name your most used apps |
| 03:05.02 | jakemaheu | no necessary order |
| 03:05.31 | UserID10T | ...mytube, mplayer, ines, gba... |
| 03:05.35 | UserID10T | Ummm... |
| 03:05.52 | jakemaheu | mine: mytube, ines, media player (built-in), xterm, nitdroid (not really an app), browser, modest |
| 03:06.08 | jakemaheu | i have modest set up to receive mail from my website server |
| 03:06.11 | jakemaheu | jakemaheu.com |
| 03:06.18 | jakemaheu | there's like nothing there, i think |
| 03:06.20 | UserID10T | Nice |
| 03:06.24 | UserID10T | Ah heh |
| 03:06.42 | UserID10T | chinook repositories aren |
| 03:06.47 | UserID10T | aren't useful to me anymore eh? |
| 03:07.18 | jakemaheu | eh, somewhat |
| 03:07.31 | jakemaheu | i think some apps work in diablo |
| 03:07.38 | jakemaheu | correct me if i'm wrong |
| 03:08.14 | UserID10T | I actually found that to be true. |
| 03:08.25 | UserID10T | I never know what repositories to go for... |
| 03:09.00 | Vulcanis | theres a list of like 50 somewhere on the web |
| 03:09.12 | UserID10T | www.gronmayer.com |
| 03:09.29 | UserID10T | But I still don't know the great ones. |
| 03:09.29 | UserID10T | Heh. |
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| 03:09.54 | UserID10T | I am so bad at linux/maemo...I feel like the people I help with PCs every day. |
| 03:10.22 | Vulcanis | same here at times. I know my way around, just not much more than that. |
| 03:10.22 | UserID10T | Oh, is there a good site for themes? |
| 03:10.24 | UserID10T | Yeah, I' |
| 03:10.32 | UserID10T | I've learned xterm a LITTLE |
| 03:10.35 | jakemaheu | yay |
| 03:10.40 | UserID10T | I can edit text files in it...but why? |
| 03:10.41 | Vulcanis | the best theme I've seen was nuvoclear2 |
| 03:10.42 | jakemaheu | it's a good thing to know |
| 03:10.51 | jakemaheu | nuvoclear is epic and i use it |
| 03:10.56 | jakemaheu | i hate vi |
| 03:10.56 | UserID10T | I'll find it. |
| 03:11.04 | UserID10T | OH |
| 03:11.08 | UserID10T | Another app... |
| 03:11.15 | UserID10T | Adv Backlight |
| 03:11.16 | Vulcanis | I have some random problem with ssh |
| 03:11.22 | Vulcanis | where vim and vi don't actually save |
| 03:11.24 | Vulcanis | and they bug out |
| 03:11.25 | Vulcanis | randomly |
| 03:11.35 | Vulcanis | and MC just shows random characters for the divider |
| 03:11.36 | UserID10T | Weird... |
| 03:11.49 | Vulcanis | oh, user, go grab MC, too. |
| 03:11.54 | Vulcanis | if you haven't already |
| 03:12.01 | UserID10T | MC? |
| 03:12.14 | Vulcanis | midnightcommander, though it should be there as just mc in the app manager |
| 03:12.30 | UserID10T | Oh I used...emfl2? |
| 03:12.30 | Vulcanis | its a filemanager that runs from xterm |
| 03:12.33 | Vulcanis | thats just... better. |
| 03:12.36 | UserID10T | elfm...? |
| 03:13.10 | UserID10T | xxfm2 or whatever |
| 03:13.51 | Vulcanis | that is? |
| 03:14.36 | UserID10T | file manager |
| 03:14.37 | UserID10T | 2 pane |
| 03:15.30 | UserID10T | It's a standalone |
| 03:15.37 | UserID10T | Pretty, looks like an ftp tool |
| 03:17.57 | Vulcanis | I just use mc instead of vi(m) and all the other things I'd need to do in xterm |
| 03:19.53 | Vulcanis | hm, I think I'm going to back up my card today, and install deblet. |
| 03:20.29 | jakemaheu | noooooo use nitdroid |
| 03:20.31 | jakemaheu | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25736 |
| 03:20.46 | jakemaheu | :D |
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| 03:23.04 | GAN800 | gronmayer is evil |
| 03:23.13 | GAN800 | You need one repository: |
| 03:23.20 | GAN800 | ~extras |
| 03:23.21 | infobot | i guess extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 03:24.35 | jakemaheu | no |
| 03:24.40 | jakemaheu | infobot is wrong |
| 03:24.59 | johnx | jakemaheu, what are you on about? |
| 03:25.22 | jakemaheu | infobot said extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 03:25.22 | infobot | okay, jakemaheu |
| 03:25.41 | johnx | jakemaheu, and that's correct |
| 03:25.46 | jakemaheu | it should be: http://repository.maemo.org/extras |
| 03:25.55 | GAN800 | No, no it shouldn't |
| 03:25.59 | johnx | the wiki page explains extras |
| 03:26.01 | GAN800 | Read the page. |
| 03:26.06 | jakemaheu | oh |
| 03:26.22 | jakemaheu | i thought it was giving the address of the repository |
| 03:26.25 | johnx | it explains extras to people who have never heard of it and also talks about extras devel and also includes a .install file to enable it |
| 03:26.39 | jakemaheu | i enabled extras-devel |
| 03:26.48 | jakemaheu | i found some neat stuff |
| 03:29.49 | oilinki | quick poll: are you using gmail account ? |
| 03:30.01 | johnx | yup |
| 03:30.09 | johnx | since like 2005 or so |
| 03:31.07 | oilinki | I'm wondering if I would put maemo-mapper POI database to google appengine. They would provide login etc which would possibly make the serverside creating more easy. |
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| 03:32.28 | oilinki | so that we could create the POI's either on the mapper or with the google maps. syncked in both ways |
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| 03:33.43 | jakemaheu | nope, i use my own server + website and forward my mail to modest on the tablet |
| 03:34.01 | jakemaheu | www.jakemaheu.com now works and has a wiki! |
| 03:34.10 | jakemaheu | s/has a wiki/is a wiki/ |
| 03:34.10 | johnx | gave up on running his own mail server if he wasn't getting paid to do it |
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| 03:34.47 | jakemaheu | it's called NITwiki and I'm using it to post info about my NIT and things running on it and new and stuff |
| 03:34.51 | jakemaheu | i just got it up |
| 03:35.48 | tulkastaldo | I'm sure your gf will be glad to hear it |
| 03:35.58 | johnx | how do you deal with spam? |
| 03:37.21 | jakemaheu | johnx: on what, email or wiki? |
| 03:37.40 | jakemaheu | tulkastaldo: lol |
| 03:37.41 | johnx | mail mainly |
| 03:38.05 | jakemaheu | i delete it-- i only get a message or two a week, so it's bearable |
| 03:38.53 | dystopia | Tu13es: not sure |
| 03:38.59 | jakemaheu | it's just annoying when i don't check my mail for a few days and then i have like 6 in my tablet inbox |
| 03:39.23 | jakemaheu | what's even more annoying is that modest doesn't purge the messages after it deletes them |
| 03:39.31 | johnx | but on the server side are you using spamassassin or greylisting or something? |
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| 03:40.02 | dystopia | he is blocking all data to port 25/tcp :p |
| 03:40.45 | jakemaheu | lemme check |
| 03:42.09 | jakemaheu | i am now using spamassassin |
| 03:42.40 | johnx | yeah, that's what I used too but I never got it trained well enough to keep spam out of my inbox |
| 03:42.52 | jakemaheu | what do you use now? |
| 03:43.22 | johnx | gmail |
| 03:43.42 | johnx | I gave up on running a mail server unless I was getting paid |
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| 03:47.15 | jakemaheu | nice |
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| 03:52.14 | Vulcanis | can anyone help me with partitioning for deblet? |
| 03:52.42 | Vulcanis | I don't actually know what the sizes should be :/ |
| 03:52.52 | jakemaheu | what size sd card? |
| 03:52.56 | Vulcanis | 8gb |
| 03:53.02 | jakemaheu | kk, just a sec |
| 03:53.17 | Vulcanis | I'd probably want to use 4-6gb for deblet |
| 03:53.34 | johnx | get cfdisk |
| 03:53.48 | johnx | or are you partitioning on your desktop? |
| 03:54.04 | jakemaheu | aren't you using easy-debian? |
| 03:54.10 | Vulcanis | I'm partitioning on the NIT. Cfdisk should be in the installer for it. I just don't know what size partitions I should make |
| 03:54.22 | Vulcanis | jakemaheu: I'm planning to install deblet? |
| 03:54.39 | jakemaheu | k |
| 03:54.50 | Vulcanis | That sounded bad. <shrugs> |
| 03:54.54 | Vulcanis | Anyway. >.> |
| 03:55.01 | johnx | Vudentz, make p1 a 2GB vfat partition, p2 a 5.9GB linux and p3 a swap with whatever is left |
| 03:55.11 | jakemaheu | umm... i use sfdisk |
| 03:55.24 | jakemaheu | to do what johnx said, it'd be: |
| 03:55.37 | jakemaheu | sudo sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 03:55.43 | johnx | he has cfdisk... |
| 03:55.47 | Vulcanis | thanks john. |
| 03:55.53 | jakemaheu | i know, i just use sfdisk |
| 03:55.58 | jakemaheu | on the tablet |
| 03:56.23 | jakemaheu | er, that should be sudo sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 03:56.30 | jakemaheu | ,2048,C |
| 03:56.36 | *** part/#maemo Tu13es (i=brandon@colobus.isomerica.net) |
| 03:56.59 | jakemaheu | ,6041,L |
| 03:57.46 | jakemaheu | ,,S |
| 03:58.01 | johnx | and that's the reason I hate sfdisk :) |
| 03:58.05 | jakemaheu | lol |
| 03:58.07 | Vulcanis | Bah |
| 03:58.12 | jakemaheu | hmm? |
| 03:58.42 | jakemaheu | i'd have to say gparted tops em all |
| 03:58.44 | Vulcanis | I'm getting "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final part" -- though, that may just be because the card has stuff on it right now...? I'll wipe it |
| 03:58.48 | Vulcanis | gparted does indeed. |
| 03:59.03 | jakemaheu | i love it, but running it as root is a bit annoying |
| 03:59.20 | johnx | cfdisk -z /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 03:59.31 | johnx | then just write out the blank partition table |
| 03:59.36 | jakemaheu | not so much annoying as frightening |
| 03:59.47 | jakemaheu | does -z zero everything? |
| 04:00.01 | jakemaheu | isn't familiar with cfdisk |
| 04:00.03 | johnx | it ignores the table on disk and starts you with a blank one |
| 04:00.06 | jakemaheu | ah |
| 04:00.26 | johnx | so if the sd card manufacturer does something "clever" you can just ignore it |
| 04:01.34 | jakemaheu | s/clever/stupid |
| 04:01.38 | Vulcanis | which of those three should be primary/logical? |
| 04:01.41 | jakemaheu | amirite? |
| 04:01.48 | johnx | Vulcanis, all three |
| 04:01.51 | johnx | primary |
| 04:01.51 | Vulcanis | jakemaheu: clever if you're an ebay scammer |
| 04:01.56 | johnx | makes things simple :) |
| 04:01.56 | jakemaheu | lol |
| 04:01.57 | Vulcanis | danke |
| 04:01.58 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 04:02.51 | jakemaheu | what is danke? |
| 04:02.52 | Vulcanis | and beginning, right? |
| 04:02.58 | johnx | yup |
| 04:02.58 | Vulcanis | thanks in german |
| 04:04.22 | Vulcanis | 0B W95 FAT32 and 0C is that with (LBA) at the end |
| 04:04.25 | Vulcanis | don't see Vfat |
| 04:04.36 | johnx | 0b is fine |
| 04:04.46 | johnx | or fat16 is ok for 2GB |
| 04:04.52 | johnx | just select 0b |
| 04:07.26 | Vulcanis | Thanks. |
| 04:09.19 | jakemaheu | so did anyone here read my guide yet? |
| 04:09.25 | jakemaheu | s/read/use |
| 04:10.08 | johnx | I skimmed it but I don't have much interest in android |
| 04:10.13 | johnx | looks thorough |
| 04:10.26 | jakemaheu | it is |
| 04:10.32 | jakemaheu | i took like 2 hours |
| 04:10.43 | jakemaheu | and tested every step before i wrote it |
| 04:11.24 | jakemaheu | and yet, there will still be morons who end up posting "oh i flashed it to nolo by accident and now it won't work durr" |
| 04:11.53 | jakemaheu | and to them, read the disclaimer: DISCLAIMER: I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF HUMAN ERROR. DOING THIS INCORRECTLY MAY CAUSE YOUR TABLET TO IMPLODE, A HOBO TO SODOMIZE YOUR DOG AND GRANDMOTHER, OR LCUK TO BURN HIS HAND MAKING BACON AGAIN. |
| 04:12.14 | johnx | it's a good disclaimer. again, very thorough |
| 04:12.38 | johnx | reminds me of the first disclaimer I did for debian and that wasn't even flashing anything :) |
| 04:12.59 | jakemaheu | if you watch the channel a lot, you'll know that lcuk burnt his hand the other day making bacon |
| 04:13.20 | jakemaheu | i felt sorry for him, but was lolling the whole time |
| 04:16.03 | johnx | ollowing these instructions may cause your tablet to steal your wife, kill your cat and burn down your house! |
| 04:16.33 | johnx | I guess debian must be a little less violent :) |
| 04:16.52 | jakemaheu | hobos love sodomy |
| 04:17.23 | johnx | and where would we be without your encyclopedic knowledge of such things? |
| 04:17.34 | johnx | anyways, off into to the world. 'later |
| 04:17.42 | jakemaheu | i know a lot of things i'd rather not |
| 04:17.44 | jakemaheu | bye |
| 04:17.53 | jakemaheu | s/bye/bye johnx |
| 04:18.03 | jakemaheu | dammit |
| 04:18.08 | johnx | :) |
| 04:18.22 | jakemaheu | i keep forgetting that last slash |
| 04:21.02 | jakemaheu | reggie should un-sticky 'Android Installer - for 810 (800 works sort of)' |
| 04:21.17 | jakemaheu | since it doesn't work vey well at all, compared to nitdroid |
| 04:21.23 | Vulcanis | Its not that hobos particularly enjoy sodomy; it tends to be an act of desparation. |
| 04:22.17 | jakemaheu | yeah, because they're addicted to buttsex |
| 04:22.25 | jakemaheu | s/buttsex/buttsecks/ |
| 04:22.29 | jakemaheu | lol |
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| 04:23.15 | jakemaheu | hullo b-man |
| 04:23.22 | b-man | hello |
| 04:24.12 | jakemaheu | check this out: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25736 |
| 04:24.59 | b-man | checking right now... |
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| 04:25.46 | jakemaheu | hey zakkm |
| 04:25.52 | jakemaheu | welcome back |
| 04:25.53 | zakkm | hey cool your on |
| 04:25.57 | zakkm | i just saw your guide |
| 04:26.01 | zakkm | it mentioned a internal keypad? |
| 04:26.11 | jakemaheu | yup |
| 04:26.12 | zakkm | does that change the onboard keyboard? |
| 04:26.21 | jakemaheu | no, the hardware keys |
| 04:26.27 | jakemaheu | you got the debug kernel |
| 04:26.28 | b-man | looks cool :) |
| 04:26.31 | jakemaheu | it already has the fix |
| 04:26.35 | zakkm | oh okay |
| 04:26.43 | zakkm | oh b-man |
| 04:26.51 | zakkm | there was so many people cause it got mentioned on engadget |
| 04:26.53 | zakkm | a few hours ago |
| 04:27.02 | zakkm | so ppl; saw the engadget and then clicked.. and it linked to forum post |
| 04:27.03 | jakemaheu | yeah, the cupcake |
| 04:28.01 | b-man | no wonder whi there were over 200+ guests. :p |
| 04:28.19 | zakkm | still very good for the itt community :) |
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| 04:28.34 | b-man | agreed. |
| 04:28.50 | zakkm | omg i so like it |
| 04:29.02 | zakkm | i like it turns off display.. and i press power once fast |
| 04:29.04 | zakkm | and display turns off |
| 04:29.53 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 04:29.54 | zakkm | hey jakemaheu: if i were to boot back into linux, would you mind helping me installing some apps to it? |
| 04:30.01 | jakemaheu | like? |
| 04:30.14 | zakkm | heard theres a meebo app |
| 04:30.35 | jakemaheu | sure, just wait a sec |
| 04:30.41 | jakemaheu | there's a command you use |
| 04:30.52 | zakkm | would take me more than a few secs to reboot ;p |
| 04:31.34 | jakemaheu | do you already have the adb binary? |
| 04:32.04 | zakkm | i did before |
| 04:32.10 | zakkm | would it work on mac? |
| 04:32.13 | zakkm | that would help me alot |
| 04:33.01 | jakemaheu | i dunno, lemme check |
| 04:33.10 | zakkm | sweet thanks :) |
| 04:33.52 | jakemaheu | no, unfortunately |
| 04:33.56 | jakemaheu | only linux |
| 04:34.04 | zakkm | dangg |
| 04:34.51 | zakkm | i have a download going, i cant reboot |
| 04:34.59 | jakemaheu | here it is: |
| 04:35.01 | zakkm | says 41minutes remaining |
| 04:35.10 | jakemaheu | ./adb push program.apk /data/app |
| 04:35.47 | b-man | I can't wait untill i get my new laptop, once i ddo i'm going to dual boot it with Ubuntu and try this out. :D |
| 04:36.14 | zakkm | jakemaheu: saved into document :) thanks |
| 04:36.20 | zakkm | b-man? why wait |
| 04:36.23 | zakkm | use livecd? :P |
| 04:36.24 | jakemaheu | no prob |
| 04:36.40 | zakkm | do i just plug into usb? thats all |
| 04:36.48 | zakkm | and run the command and replace "program.apk" |
| 04:36.52 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 04:37.02 | zakkm | sweeet |
| 04:37.03 | b-man | because i want a way to recover my device without a reflash. |
| 04:37.09 | zakkm | any programs you recommend for it? |
| 04:37.34 | jakemaheu | no clue |
| 04:37.42 | jakemaheu | i'll try some later though |
| 04:38.01 | jakemaheu | maybe if you find ones that work, post em on here |
| 04:38.37 | jakemaheu | b-man: thanks for the thanks on ITT |
| 04:38.48 | zakkm | they all should work shouldnt they? |
| 04:38.57 | b-man | your welcome. :) |
| 04:39.14 | zakkm | ppl talk about it being slow cause it runs out of memory? |
| 04:39.25 | zakkm | why it slows down / freezes after awhile |
| 04:40.34 | b-man | Btw, the other reason why i'm waiting until i get my laptop with linux is because i need a way to enable R&D mode. |
| 04:40.49 | zakkm | use livecd lol ;p |
| 04:40.55 | zakkm | or use wubi :P be lazy |
| 04:40.59 | jakemaheu | get damn small linux |
| 04:41.08 | jakemaheu | it's like a chroot in windows, lol |
| 04:41.31 | b-man | good idia, thanks |
| 04:41.32 | zakkm | ? |
| 04:41.35 | zakkm | chroot in windows? |
| 04:41.44 | zakkm | b-man.. just get cygwin -.- |
| 04:41.52 | b-man | k |
| 04:41.58 | zakkm | its like a linux terminal in windows |
| 04:42.01 | jakemaheu | zakkm: it's a joke |
| 04:42.14 | zakkm | seriously cygwin sounds like a good idea |
| 04:42.23 | Grackle | cygwin is what you use if you're not allowed to have linux |
| 04:42.32 | b-man | lol |
| 04:42.38 | zakkm | perfect for b-man ;p |
| 04:42.43 | Grackle | lol |
| 04:42.45 | b-man | hay |
| 04:42.48 | zakkm | ? |
| 04:42.55 | jakemaheu | i've never used it |
| 04:42.58 | zakkm | its your solution |
| 04:43.12 | jakemaheu | my dad's a huge geek like me, so we've got a bunch of spare systems |
| 04:43.13 | zakkm | jakemaheu: its just a linux terminal in windows.. as like "command prompt" |
| 04:43.24 | zakkm | but you cant startx or anything |
| 04:43.29 | zakkm | just pure terminal |
| 04:43.32 | jakemaheu | sort of |
| 04:44.50 | b-man | i wonder why microsoft never came up with there own version of chroot... |
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| 04:45.03 | zakkm | they have remote desktop? |
| 04:45.28 | zakkm | not quite the same |
| 04:45.30 | zakkm | but does the same job |
| 04:45.33 | b-man | that's like VNC |
| 04:45.50 | zakkm | yes |
| 04:45.55 | b-man | i'm talking chroot |
| 04:46.00 | zakkm | windows has no used for chroot |
| 04:46.00 | zakkm | -.- |
| 04:46.04 | zakkm | same with mac |
| 04:46.09 | zakkm | its a pointless command |
| 04:46.09 | Grackle | b-man, they've only just come up with a somewhat-proper multi-user system |
| 04:46.44 | Grackle | haha what |
| 04:46.48 | Grackle | is dumbfounded |
| 04:47.39 | b-man | how is chroot a pointless command?, i use it all the time.. |
| 04:48.16 | zakkm | thought you dont have a linux system? |
| 04:48.18 | zakkm | -.- |
| 04:48.21 | Grackle | chroot is very useful for system maintenance, and it's useful for setting up secure environments |
| 04:48.27 | b-man | maemo |
| 04:48.43 | b-man | +deblet+mer |
| 04:48.50 | zakkm | wow mer |
| 04:48.52 | zakkm | any good? |
| 04:49.07 | b-man | it's ok |
| 04:49.11 | zakkm | i still think once nitdroid gets bug-free and all |
| 04:49.17 | zakkm | it will be #1 |
| 04:49.33 | b-man | :) |
| 04:50.36 | b-man | i'm currently creating an installer for mer for Stskeeps. |
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| 04:51.33 | Vulcanis | [23:49:20] <zakkm> it will be #1 -- It will? Last I remember, applications for it cost money. |
| 04:51.44 | Vulcanis | atleast, many of them. |
| 04:52.05 | Vulcanis | there are a whole TWO applications that require payment for the nit |
| 04:52.09 | Vulcanis | currently |
| 04:52.21 | zakkm | thats not the point? |
| 04:52.32 | zakkm | the browser is nitdroid is significantly faster |
| 04:52.39 | zakkm | which is huge for a "internet" tablet |
| 04:52.47 | zakkm | the rotation actually workss |
| 04:53.11 | zakkm | webkit browser, which im not mistaken mer is using midori , which is gecko |
| 04:53.48 | zakkm | menus only appear when you press menu button.. when you do zoomin/out .. the volume thing pops up .. in maemo i dont see that |
| 04:53.48 | b-man | i'm using fiefox in mer.. |
| 04:53.57 | zakkm | w.e gecko still |
| 04:57.44 | zakkm | how would i go about and transferring something from nitdroid onto my pc? |
| 04:57.52 | zakkm | though usb |
| 04:57.55 | zakkm | through usb* |
| 05:01.11 | jakemaheu | like pics or music? |
| 05:01.13 | jakemaheu | or apps? |
| 05:01.19 | zakkm | videos |
| 05:01.23 | zakkm | normal files |
| 05:01.28 | jakemaheu | on mac? |
| 05:01.29 | zakkm | storage files, not system |
| 05:01.37 | zakkm | linux lets go for |
| 05:01.40 | zakkm | windows or linux |
| 05:01.46 | zakkm | actually windows.. cause i dualboot that |
| 05:01.56 | jakemaheu | oh, just plug it in |
| 05:02.14 | jakemaheu | if it brings up a found new device window, close it |
| 05:02.43 | jakemaheu | the tablet will have a notification at the top left, drag it down and mount the usb connection |
| 05:03.20 | zakkm | oh yeah |
| 05:03.25 | zakkm | why cant i click on anything at top right |
| 05:03.29 | zakkm | like time, or wifi or anything |
| 05:04.33 | jakemaheu | it's just status icons |
| 05:04.52 | zakkm | oh okay |
| 05:04.54 | jakemaheu | but if you drag down the other side, you'll have a new windows for notifications |
| 05:04.58 | zakkm | time doesnt work? |
| 05:05.17 | jakemaheu | nope |
| 05:05.43 | b-man | (random question) - does mac osx support bash? - since it is a unix-based system. |
| 05:05.48 | zakkm | wait |
| 05:05.50 | zakkm | i think i got it working |
| 05:05.52 | zakkm | it has the right time |
| 05:06.05 | zakkm | b-man: no idea |
| 05:06.16 | Grackle | b-man, I believe the default shell is bash |
| 05:06.21 | zakkm | jakemaheu: it shows the real time now? |
| 05:06.26 | jakemaheu | lemme check |
| 05:06.48 | zakkm | if i goto settings |
| 05:06.50 | zakkm | for date and time |
| 05:06.55 | zakkm | and i tap the "use 24-hjour format* |
| 05:06.59 | zakkm | the time updates.. and its correct |
| 05:07.11 | jakemaheu | yeah, huh |
| 05:07.13 | jakemaheu | sweet |
| 05:07.16 | b-man | Grackle: thanks |
| 05:07.19 | jakemaheu | that wasn't working before |
| 05:07.20 | Grackle | Yup b-man, bash is the default shell on new macs (it used to be tcsh, before 2002 or so) |
| 05:07.25 | zakkm | should tell someone |
| 05:07.31 | zakkm | jakemaheu: that might help them fix it |
| 05:09.21 | b-man | I also herd that it supports apt - is that true? - i'm a little doubtful. |
| 05:09.33 | zakkm | there is MacPorts |
| 05:09.37 | zakkm | that add apt and stuff to mac |
| 05:09.48 | zakkm | apt = debian... |
| 05:09.51 | zakkm | not linux |
| 05:10.06 | zakkm | debian is the only thing that uses apt |
| 05:10.23 | b-man | Ubuntu uses apt also. |
| 05:10.24 | zakkm | gentoo uses emerge, arch uses pacman , debian uses apt, fedora uses yum |
| 05:10.28 | zakkm | ubuntu is DEBIAN |
| 05:10.29 | zakkm | -.- |
| 05:10.36 | zakkm | ubuntu is a debian-based distro |
| 05:10.42 | b-man | i know |
| 05:10.47 | zakkm | so it uses apt |
| 05:10.56 | zakkm | mac wouldnt because its not debian |
| 05:11.03 | zakkm | gentoo doesnt cause its not debian, arch doesnt , redhat doesnt |
| 05:11.04 | zakkm | ;p |
| 05:11.13 | b-man | yes, i know... |
| 05:11.23 | zakkm | so why would mac support apt? |
| 05:11.30 | zakkm | if you know that |
| 05:12.00 | jakemaheu | it should support dpkg, however |
| 05:12.03 | jakemaheu | right? |
| 05:12.11 | zakkm | dpkg = debian |
| 05:12.15 | zakkm | -.- |
| 05:12.26 | zakkm | it uses debs.. which is debian -.- |
| 05:12.29 | jakemaheu | i guess macs are SOL |
| 05:12.53 | b-man | i allrety know all of this |
| 05:13.00 | jakemaheu | i don't. |
| 05:13.00 | zakkm | macs have their own variation of dpkg ... and apt .. but they dont have dpkg/apt ;p |
| 05:13.03 | jakemaheu | ah |
| 05:13.20 | zakkm | solca: you here? |
| 05:13.28 | zakkm | solca_: ? |
| 05:13.36 | solca_ | yep |
| 05:13.43 | zakkm | you do the nitdroid port right? |
| 05:13.55 | zakkm | i discovered that if i click set time.. in date and time.. that it fixes the time |
| 05:13.58 | solca_ | almost |
| 05:14.03 | zakkm | but time doesnt want to update on its own |
| 05:14.10 | zakkm | but if i do set time... it automatically corrects itself |
| 05:14.28 | jakemaheu | hey solca |
| 05:14.30 | zakkm | waitt time is goingg |
| 05:14.35 | zakkm | jakemaheu: i fixed time? |
| 05:14.37 | zakkm | :D |
| 05:14.48 | zakkm | time is going perfectly now |
| 05:14.48 | jakemaheu | yup, XD |
| 05:14.51 | jakemaheu | it is |
| 05:14.53 | solca_ | zakkm: how |
| 05:14.56 | solca_ | hey jakemaheu |
| 05:15.00 | jakemaheu | hey\ |
| 05:15.02 | zakkm | certain time and date settings ;p |
| 05:15.06 | zakkm | makes it work ;p |
| 05:15.29 | jakemaheu | solca: did you see the guide i wrote? |
| 05:15.48 | solca_ | zakkm: which settings? |
| 05:15.51 | solca_ | jakemaheu: where? |
| 05:15.57 | zakkm | i clicked alot randomly |
| 05:16.03 | zakkm | first one is checkmarked |
| 05:16.03 | jakemaheu | it just worked for me |
| 05:16.13 | zakkm | i clicked set time, clicked top one |
| 05:16.19 | zakkm | so its checkmarked.. use 24 hr is unche ckmarked |
| 05:16.25 | zakkm | and then time is working perfectly |
| 05:16.29 | jakemaheu | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25736 |
| 05:16.58 | solca_ | zakkm: letme check... |
| 05:17.05 | zakkm | ok :) |
| 05:17.35 | zakkm | this is more of a question to the porter not a fix or anything but do you know the battery life of nitdroid? |
| 05:17.41 | solca_ | jakemaheu: cool! can I link it from my crappy project site? |
| 05:17.44 | zakkm | like how long battery lasts? |
| 05:18.12 | zakkm | solca_: do you know battery life .. estimate |
| 05:18.20 | solca_ | zakkm: now with the brigthness is lasting more :) |
| 05:18.21 | jakemaheu | solca: i'd actually be honored |
| 05:18.28 | solca_ | jakemaheu: thx!! |
| 05:18.32 | jakemaheu | and it would get hits from engadget |
| 05:18.46 | zakkm | solca_ : so we talking like days or what |
| 05:18.52 | zakkm | cause like deblet only lasts like 6 hours idle i hear |
| 05:18.56 | jakemaheu | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/21/android-stuffed-cupcake-comes-to-nokias-internet-tablet/ |
| 05:19.25 | jakemaheu | zakkm: on standby? |
| 05:19.30 | zakkm | yeah |
| 05:19.34 | jakemaheu | just like a quick power button press? |
| 05:19.39 | solca_ | zakkm: more or less, I have to port some kernel drivers yet for full power savings |
| 05:19.39 | zakkm | noo |
| 05:19.50 | zakkm | solca_: so its safe to use? |
| 05:19.54 | zakkm | as like a full thing |
| 05:19.56 | zakkm | i want to leave maemo ;p |
| 05:20.21 | zakkm | solca_ did you try the datetime yet? |
| 05:20.37 | jakemaheu | zakkm: no |
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| 05:20.48 | jakemaheu | s/no/not quite/ |
| 05:21.01 | solca_ | zakkm: so settings/time ? |
| 05:21.06 | zakkm | settings - date and time |
| 05:21.11 | zakkm | click set time |
| 05:21.18 | zakkm | then at top .. first one |
| 05:21.23 | zakkm | click so its off.. then click again so its on |
| 05:21.38 | solca_ | which? automatic? |
| 05:21.43 | zakkm | yeah |
| 05:21.47 | zakkm | turn off , click set time |
| 05:21.51 | zakkm | turn it back on |
| 05:22.06 | zakkm | and it should change to right time.. and keep updated |
| 05:22.25 | solca_ | turn back on the "automatic" on the top ? |
| 05:22.35 | zakkm | yes |
| 05:22.40 | zakkm | turn it off.. click set time.. turn it on |
| 05:22.52 | solca_ | lets see... |
| 05:22.55 | zakkm | that should be enough |
| 05:23.05 | zakkm | i clicked randomly alot of stuff.. so im guessing small steps ;p |
| 05:23.11 | solca_ | I really have not looked into the time yet |
| 05:23.17 | solca_ | hopefully tomorrow |
| 05:23.30 | solca_ | but if this works can be a good workaround |
| 05:23.31 | jakemaheu | eh, it's fixed, let's leave it at that |
| 05:23.39 | zakkm | lol |
| 05:23.53 | zakkm | dont know how your code that though.. but under the guide maybe a "Get time and date working again" |
| 05:24.13 | zakkm | i want cookies lol |
| 05:24.18 | zakkm | i use gmail and stuff |
| 05:24.20 | zakkm | google docs |
| 05:24.23 | zakkm | and i get some cookies error |
| 05:25.26 | solca | zakkm: yea that seems to be a cupcake error |
| 05:25.32 | zakkm | oh okay |
| 05:25.41 | zakkm | i figured your here , time to ask many questions :D |
| 05:25.43 | solca | zakkm: time is fixed for me now!! |
| 05:25.47 | jakemaheu | we need sound |
| 05:25.49 | solca | coold |
| 05:25.55 | zakkm | jakemaheu: i was right about to ask ;p |
| 05:26.09 | zakkm | whats the point of sound though really |
| 05:26.14 | zakkm | its not like theres mplayer or anything |
| 05:26.20 | jakemaheu | there's a music player |
| 05:26.23 | zakkm | oh really |
| 05:26.30 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 05:26.39 | zakkm | oh cool |
| 05:26.42 | zakkm | yeah sound :) |
| 05:26.42 | solca | sound depends on the device, N810 is possible and it's close, N800 is not |
| 05:26.52 | jakemaheu | home screen > panel > Music |
| 05:26.56 | zakkm | solca_: n800 is more important :) |
| 05:27.00 | zakkm | XD |
| 05:27.03 | jakemaheu | yes |
| 05:27.19 | jakemaheu | how do you remove applets from the home screen? |
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| 05:27.37 | zakkm | same way you add probably |
| 05:27.58 | jakemaheu | nope |
| 05:28.10 | jakemaheu | i figured it out |
| 05:28.19 | solca | jakemaheu: when you perss an applet if you drag it to the trash it is removed |
| 05:28.26 | solca | s/perss/press |
| 05:28.33 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 05:28.42 | zakkm | oh that is sooo coool :) |
| 05:29.26 | zakkm | solca_: would you know why it starts to totally freeze after awhile? |
| 05:29.33 | zakkm | is there like swap or something? |
| 05:30.02 | solca | zakkm: what freezes? |
| 05:30.06 | zakkm | android |
| 05:30.10 | zakkm | like after awhile of insane use |
| 05:30.10 | jakemaheu | apps |
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| 05:30.18 | zakkm | i have to like take out battery |
| 05:30.22 | solca | apps or the system as a whole? |
| 05:30.32 | zakkm | i get a app not responding error |
| 05:30.34 | jakemaheu | apps cause the system to slow down |
| 05:30.42 | zakkm | but i cant click it.. cause its too slow |
| 05:31.02 | zakkm | it seems like a ram problem / no swap |
| 05:31.06 | zakkm | more than anything |
| 05:31.14 | solca | no, I trace a lot of hangs to the wifi driver |
| 05:31.31 | zakkm | is there a fix? |
| 05:32.13 | solca | not yet, but it will be better with time :) |
| 05:32.29 | zakkm | sweet |
| 05:32.34 | zakkm | i so love this :) |
| 05:33.58 | jakemaheu | is there any way to use the proprietary driver? |
| 05:35.19 | solca | jakemaheu: no way |
| 05:35.23 | jakemaheu | ah |
| 05:35.36 | solca | jakemaheu: unless Nokia recompilet for newer kernels than 2.6.21 |
| 05:35.38 | jakemaheu | is there a touchscreen calibration utility yet? |
| 05:35.40 | jakemaheu | ah |
| 05:35.58 | solca | jakemaheu: I plan to use the calibration data in the maemo partition |
| 05:35.58 | zakkm | why dont they ? :P |
| 05:36.04 | jakemaheu | ? |
| 05:36.11 | jakemaheu | oh, i get it |
| 05:36.32 | zakkm | reads maemo's .. not let you do new calibration |
| 05:36.35 | solca | zakkm: dunno |
| 05:37.00 | zakkm | solca: you know any good apps for it? |
| 05:37.15 | solca | what I was saying is that it is possible to use the touchscreen calibration data in the maemo partition |
| 05:37.49 | solca | zakkm: not really, I've been debugging... :( |
| 05:37.53 | jakemaheu | does NITboot work for anything yet? |
| 05:38.04 | zakkm | what is Nitboot? |
| 05:38.22 | zakkm | someone said on the forum and im wondering myself |
| 05:38.33 | zakkm | why is there "phone" .. seems like a waste of space |
| 05:38.36 | jakemaheu | http://guug.org/nit/nitboot/ |
| 05:38.48 | solca | NITboot is the part in NITdroid that starts the _required_ proprietary software |
| 05:38.53 | zakkm | you know what would be cool, if you could add sip accounts into it.. and use it for dialing :P |
| 05:39.06 | jakemaheu | someone else asked that earlier on here |
| 05:39.17 | zakkm | the sip account part? |
| 05:39.18 | solca | there are some aspects about the NITs like hardware watchdogs |
| 05:39.31 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 05:39.36 | solca | that needs to be driven by software, unfortunately currently that software is proprietary |
| 05:39.50 | solca | so NITboot just start the required software from the flash (MTD) |
| 05:40.21 | jakemaheu | neat |
| 05:40.26 | zakkm | wow so much work |
| 05:40.27 | solca | zakkm: I'm pretty sure many people is working in android apps for doing sip calls |
| 05:40.31 | zakkm | what does that mean? |
| 05:40.45 | zakkm | yeah but then you can convince ppl its a phone ;p |
| 05:40.48 | zakkm | if it used the builtin one :P |
| 05:40.52 | zakkm | since it autoconnects to wifi |
| 05:40.57 | zakkm | it would be really cool ;p |
| 05:41.07 | jakemaheu | shouldn't be too hard |
| 05:41.31 | zakkm | needsound and mic going though |
| 05:42.01 | zakkm | oh sweet :D |
| 05:42.07 | zakkm | can plug in.. do mount |
| 05:42.10 | zakkm | and it appears on my mac :D |
| 05:42.18 | jakemaheu | also camera |
| 05:42.20 | solca | yea, sound is very important... |
| 05:42.27 | jakemaheu | camera would be nice |
| 05:42.29 | zakkm | screw camera |
| 05:42.31 | zakkm | that should be last |
| 05:42.32 | zakkm | :P |
| 05:42.54 | solca | for the camera I had to port the old driver to newer kernels |
| 05:43.04 | solca | which is a lot of work but feasible |
| 05:43.36 | zakkm | solca: is there any way i can help .. i know alot about linux but not on the coding / porting .. part |
| 05:44.21 | jakemaheu | i'm always a willing guinea pig |
| 05:44.34 | jakemaheu | and i'll be on a lot more now that i'm on break |
| 05:44.48 | zakkm | jakemaheu: how old? |
| 05:44.53 | jakemaheu | 14 |
| 05:44.57 | zakkm | wow really? |
| 05:45.02 | jakemaheu | using computers since i was 3 |
| 05:45.06 | zakkm | i thought iwas too young for this place |
| 05:45.09 | zakkm | im 17. |
| 05:45.30 | solca | sure, you both can help |
| 05:45.34 | zakkm | sweet :) |
| 05:45.42 | jakemaheu | lets just say i liked the 'toilet flushing' sound win95 made when i dragged my dad's desktop icons into the recycle bin |
| 05:45.43 | solca | in reality I need ppl for testing before releasing |
| 05:45.51 | jakemaheu | the next day i had a computer |
| 05:45.55 | jakemaheu | lol |
| 05:45.58 | zakkm | solca: im in :D |
| 05:46.03 | jakemaheu | me too |
| 05:46.10 | zakkm | im a massive nightly person ;p |
| 05:46.14 | solca | cause as you can see I fix some things but others get borked :) |
| 05:46.16 | zakkm | used to be a gentoo user ;p |
| 05:46.27 | zakkm | i found the time workaround :) |
| 05:46.39 | jakemaheu | <(''<)<('')>(>'')> |
| 05:46.44 | jakemaheu | kirby dance! |
| 05:46.47 | zakkm | jakemaheu helped me install nitdroid , i dont know what i did wrong |
| 05:46.50 | jakemaheu | lol |
| 05:46.51 | zakkm | i cant figure it out |
| 05:46.58 | zakkm | i did the exact same thing |
| 05:46.59 | jakemaheu | i was at my grandmas house |
| 05:47.28 | solca | wow NITdroid is getting massively popular... |
| 05:47.41 | zakkm | ohh huge bug? |
| 05:47.42 | zakkm | i think |
| 05:47.44 | zakkm | i unplugged usb |
| 05:47.49 | zakkm | and now my nokia is frozen ;p |
| 05:47.58 | jakemaheu | nice |
| 05:48.06 | zakkm | yup |
| 05:48.08 | zakkm | competely frozen |
| 05:48.13 | solca | zakkm: do yuo have adb working? |
| 05:48.17 | jakemaheu | it has trouble remounting the fat partition on the sd card |
| 05:48.19 | zakkm | never tried ;p |
| 05:48.23 | solca | that's the first thing you must do |
| 05:48.25 | zakkm | im on mac.. jakemaheu said it doesnt work on mac |
| 05:48.26 | jakemaheu | he's on a mac/windows |
| 05:48.31 | solca | hmm |
| 05:48.32 | jakemaheu | your binary |
| 05:48.40 | jakemaheu | says linux |
| 05:48.47 | zakkm | i use mac |
| 05:48.51 | solca | yea it's just for linux |
| 05:48.58 | zakkm | but i also play some games that require windows.. screw wine lol |
| 05:49.02 | zakkm | so i have windows too |
| 05:49.03 | solca | what about Vis instructions? |
| 05:49.11 | solca | s/Vis/Vid |
| 05:49.14 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:49.17 | zakkm | Solca: ? |
| 05:49.18 | solca | on iTT |
| 05:49.23 | zakkm | for what |
| 05:49.32 | solca | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25682 |
| 05:49.36 | zakkm | why do i need adb? |
| 05:49.52 | solca | zakkm: for debugging the problems |
| 05:50.01 | zakkm | ohh |
| 05:50.06 | zakkm | for helping you? |
| 05:50.09 | zakkm | oh okay |
| 05:50.14 | zakkm | cant now though, im encoding |
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| 05:50.57 | jakemaheu | i'm gonna make a video for my tutorial |
| 05:51.15 | solca | jakemaheu: that's nice! |
| 05:51.42 | zakkm | hey any chance a more "maemo" keyboard is in the works |
| 05:51.46 | zakkm | the one in nitdroid is small ;p |
| 05:51.56 | zakkm | thumb keyboard style perhaps |
| 05:52.07 | jakemaheu | speaking of keyboard, when it crashes, it won't come back up |
| 05:52.30 | solca | zakkm: with the Cupcake release Google put in a new framework for inputting |
| 05:52.30 | zakkm | yeah that too |
| 05:52.38 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:52.40 | solca | the current keyboard is just a demo |
| 05:52.48 | solca | soon there wil be more keyboards |
| 05:52.49 | zakkm | ohhh |
| 05:52.55 | zakkm | awesomee :) |
| 05:53.08 | zakkm | wait is Cupcake official? |
| 05:53.11 | zakkm | i thought it was like a fork |
| 05:53.24 | solca | I'm pretty sure there will be many apps for Android, and for that matters for NITdroid |
| 05:53.36 | jakemaheu | the changes were originally a fork, then merged into the main tree |
| 05:53.41 | zakkm | ohh |
| 05:53.52 | zakkm | so its a fork.. that google just accepted and made it official? |
| 05:54.08 | solca | zakkm: when Google released Android 1.0 the development continue internally |
| 05:54.19 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:54.21 | solca | they have just released that work which is called Cupcake |
| 05:54.31 | zakkm | ah |
| 05:54.35 | zakkm | i like this |
| 05:54.41 | zakkm | whens this so called power saving coming? :) |
| 05:54.42 | solca | Cupcake is not an official Android release |
| 05:55.18 | solca | but now the Cupcake development is no longer internal to Google |
| 05:55.29 | zakkm | i dont get that part |
| 05:55.34 | zakkm | no longer internal to google/ |
| 05:56.05 | solca | right, the Cupcake development is public now |
| 05:56.14 | solca | so anyone can contribute or use that source code |
| 05:56.35 | solca | http://android.git.kernel.org/ |
| 05:56.36 | zakkm | so progress is going to be really fast? |
| 05:56.43 | solca | zakkm: sure |
| 05:57.02 | solca | it is progressing very fast |
| 05:57.02 | zakkm | do you use git |
| 05:57.07 | solca | yep |
| 05:57.11 | zakkm | swe:D |
| 05:57.13 | zakkm | sweet* |
| 05:57.24 | solca | git is needed to fetch the source code |
| 05:57.31 | zakkm | sounds like nitdroid should have a blog. |
| 05:57.36 | zakkm | i know but i meant like |
| 05:57.43 | zakkm | do you go by "stable" or do you get git.. and use it |
| 05:57.44 | solca | and for keeping up to date with upstream development |
| 05:57.49 | zakkm | or nitdroid releases |
| 05:58.04 | zakkm | i know what git is ;p i just wondering if you use it for nitdroid |
| 05:58.39 | solca | no, right now I just keep patches (diffs) against Android git |
| 05:59.08 | zakkm | get git, run patches and then make a .tar.gz for rootfs? |
| 05:59.43 | zakkm | sorry i ask many questions |
| 06:00.27 | solca | it's not that simple, a release carries a log of work (compiling, fixing, permissions, etc) |
| 06:01.25 | zakkm | oh |
| 06:01.44 | zakkm | sounds so awesome :) |
| 06:01.56 | zakkm | i so believe this can beat maemo |
| 06:03.01 | solca | zakkm: do you use the gesture blocking? |
| 06:03.06 | zakkm | whats that? |
| 06:03.09 | solca | it works for you? |
| 06:03.22 | zakkm | im not aware what it is |
| 06:04.06 | solca | go to settings/security/change unlock pattern |
| 06:04.34 | zakkm | oh |
| 06:04.35 | zakkm | i use that |
| 06:04.46 | zakkm | works perfectly |
| 06:05.05 | solca | good |
| 06:05.20 | solca | have you installed extra apps? |
| 06:05.25 | zakkm | no |
| 06:05.29 | zakkm | i want to though |
| 06:06.33 | solca | http://code.google.com/p/androidchat/ |
| 06:07.13 | zakkm | whats the point of that |
| 06:08.06 | solca | that's a nice app |
| 06:08.54 | zakkm | irc only by the looks of it' |
| 06:09.07 | zakkm | i need aim/msn and all |
| 06:09.07 | solca | but I can't install it, I wanna know if you can |
| 06:09.36 | solca | for aim/msn there is meebo |
| 06:09.38 | zakkm | i cant boot out of mac for another few hours |
| 06:10.24 | solca | zakkm: can't you use the nitdroid browser? |
| 06:10.30 | zakkm | oh |
| 06:10.33 | zakkm | you can install from browser?!?!? |
| 06:10.41 | solca | sure |
| 06:10.48 | zakkm | sorry im so new to android + nitdroid |
| 06:11.36 | zakkm | k im at the google codes page |
| 06:11.56 | zakkm | parse error |
| 06:12.01 | zakkm | there is a problem parsing the package |
| 06:12.03 | solca | app install from browser was broken one release ago |
| 06:12.09 | solca | yea, I get the same problem |
| 06:12.20 | zakkm | wait so it wasnt suppose to work? |
| 06:12.26 | solca | but I was able to install meebo |
| 06:12.53 | solca | it is supposed to work but I don't know why that app will not install |
| 06:13.02 | solca | maybe I'll mail the developers |
| 06:13.48 | zakkm | whered you get meebo? |
| 06:14.01 | solca | http://www.androidfreeware.org/download/meebo |
| 06:14.30 | zakkm | sweet :) |
| 06:14.33 | zakkm | thanks |
| 06:15.12 | zakkm | yeah |
| 06:15.14 | zakkm | its installing |
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| 06:16.20 | solca | there is opera mini browser |
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| 06:16.38 | solca | will try it to see how it compares to the android browser... |
| 06:17.02 | bigpig | I would like to suspend my alarms for a couple weeks while I'm on vacation... but I don't want to have to reprogram them. |
| 06:17.26 | zakkm | omg this is so cool :) |
| 06:17.48 | bigpig | if I move /var/lib/alarmd/alarm_queue.xml , will the alarms start working after I copy it back? |
| 06:18.07 | zakkm | bigpig: should, if thats the right xml |
| 06:18.20 | bigpig | zakkm: I think it is. |
| 06:18.38 | bigpig | I just jumped in, who has android running so far? |
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| 06:19.04 | zakkm | i do ? :) |
| 06:19.06 | zakkm | on n800 |
| 06:19.17 | zakkm | solca is the port'er |
| 06:19.23 | bigpig | zakkm: how long have you had it running/ |
| 06:19.28 | zakkm | few hours? |
| 06:19.34 | zakkm | maybe 5 hours? |
| 06:19.37 | bigpig | zakkm: stable? |
| 06:19.48 | zakkm | alot doesnt work |
| 06:19.52 | zakkm | but yes ill say stable |
| 06:19.56 | bigpig | wifi? |
| 06:19.58 | zakkm | no sound, no camera, no battery meter |
| 06:20.00 | zakkm | wifi works perfect |
| 06:20.06 | bigpig | zakkm: ah... |
| 06:20.08 | zakkm | theres alot that doesnt work .. but yes ill say its stable |
| 06:20.21 | zakkm | not fully featured though |
| 06:20.44 | zakkm | but this so beats maemo so much.. the way its at right now |
| 06:20.59 | bigpig | really? that says alot. |
| 06:21.08 | zakkm | well for one browser is instant |
| 06:21.13 | zakkm | im sorry but microb is sloww |
| 06:21.13 | bigpig | nice |
| 06:21.15 | zakkm | in maemo |
| 06:21.19 | zakkm | browser is so perfect |
| 06:21.31 | zakkm | its all just so perfect |
| 06:21.37 | bigpig | i wonder if Google Gears works? |
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| 06:21.49 | zakkm | nah |
| 06:21.52 | zakkm | probably not |
| 06:22.14 | bigpig | should work with Andriod, but maybe not in 'bastard' version. |
| 06:22.17 | zakkm | the onboard keyboard sucks now too .. in my opinion |
| 06:22.20 | zakkm | but im told thats soon to change |
| 06:24.10 | bigpig | sshd? |
| 06:24.28 | zakkm | ? |
| 06:24.57 | zakkm | ppl use adb |
| 06:25.01 | zakkm | so i dont know |
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| 06:27.17 | jakemaheu | no sshd |
| 06:27.24 | jakemaheu | adp has push functions |
| 06:27.33 | jakemaheu | s/adp/adb/ |
| 06:29.14 | zakkm | jakemaheu: you can download apk from browser |
| 06:29.19 | zakkm | and it will use an app installer :P |
| 06:29.37 | bigpig | yummy! You guys have fun. |
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| 06:34.15 | zakkm | solco: is it okay to leave it on for like 12 hrs? or will battery die? |
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| 06:50.05 | Meiz_n810 | opera mini on android is not very useful |
| 06:51.28 | jakemaheu | eff the video |
| 06:51.36 | jakemaheu | stupid camera |
| 06:53.09 | jakemaheu | i'll be back |
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| 07:01.38 | jakemaheu | hello again |
| 07:04.11 | Nanpaman | Hey again |
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| 07:16.14 | Stskeeps | notes way too much android in backlog |
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| 07:22.38 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
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| 07:22.51 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty12: ping pong? |
| 07:23.29 | Stskeeps | morn meiz |
| 07:23.43 | Meiz_n810 | morning |
| 07:23.59 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty:s xcompmgr works in Mer :P |
| 07:24.20 | Meiz_n810 | shadows and face-effects :P |
| 07:24.50 | Meiz_n810 | so, omapfb is supporting these features? |
| 07:26.57 | Meiz_n810 | btw, has johnx fixed the tslib yet? |
| 07:27.42 | Stskeeps | not sure, just woke up |
| 07:28.35 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:28.55 | Stskeeps | since builder is down i doubt it |
| 07:29.00 | Meiz_n810 | k |
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| 08:19.00 | johnx | blah, Meiz, you left too early :P |
| 08:21.31 | Stskeeps | he's prolly busy with homework and stuff |
| 08:21.35 | Stskeeps | will just put up builder again |
| 08:22.04 | johnx | ok, fixing tslib might actually be somewhat difficult if it's not a simple mistake on my part |
| 08:22.31 | Stskeeps | hehe, we'll see i guess |
| 08:22.56 | Stskeeps | might vanish suddenly today |
| 08:22.58 | johnx | wasted hours waiting at the doctor's office for a 10 minute check-up |
| 08:23.17 | Stskeeps | gf calling about her work permit application status so shouldn't wonder me if i have to take a bit care of her suddenly :P |
| 08:23.44 | johnx | fair enough :) 'tis the season for vanishing suddenly |
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| 08:30.12 | johnx | mmm...cup noodle |
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| 08:31.52 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 08:32.13 | johnx | not really, but I'm trying to convince myself |
| 08:34.57 | lcuk | jakemaheu, i didnt want you to feel sorry for me, i wanted you to take over cookin bacon for me for a while \@/ |
| 08:35.04 | Jaffa | 's just had a bacon butty |
| 08:35.13 | Jaffa | with a nice hot cuppa: breakfast of kings. |
| 08:35.16 | Jaffa | and Jaffas |
| 08:35.29 | lcuk | heh |
| 08:35.52 | johnx | chows down on reheated coffee and cup noodle |
| 08:36.05 | Jaffa | That does NOT sound good. |
| 08:36.13 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 08:36.28 | johnx | bachelor food. :D my wife is out of town |
| 08:37.50 | Stskeeps | wonders how many % of scratchbox he ends up rewriting. |
| 08:38.16 | johnx | end up with scratchbox 1.5? |
| 08:38.30 | johnx | or maybe stsbox? |
| 08:38.53 | Stskeeps | i mean. i finally got dpkg replaced yesterday |
| 08:39.00 | Stskeeps | and now it's a friggen 'readlink' problem.. |
| 08:39.34 | Stskeeps | at least it's closer to a solution |
| 08:41.38 | RST38h | moo again |
| 08:41.50 | johnx | re-moo? |
| 08:41.51 | Jaffa | renews his LWN subscription whilst waiting for someone at work to reset his password so he can get in on the VPN |
| 08:42.10 | RST38h | johnx: exactly =) |
| 08:42.48 | Jaffa | 's been following the NITdroid thread and Android development looks so much more pleasant |
| 08:43.01 | RST38h | Jaffa <-- Java guy |
| 08:43.21 | Jaffa | Mostly. But mostly just a "I want nice tools and easy ways of getting running" |
| 08:43.26 | Jaffa | +guy |
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| 08:43.43 | RST38h | Jaffa: There is no easy way to get running high performance apps on Android |
| 08:44.12 | RST38h | Jaffa: And, in fact, if you try to ask about writing something like a video codec at the main Andrid googlegroups, you will be moderated away :) |
| 08:44.18 | Jaffa | heh |
| 08:44.45 | johnx | RST38h, speaking of high performance, your gba emu is tantalizingly close to enjoyable |
| 08:45.01 | RST38h | seen it happen - it usually goes like question -> minor flamewar with some indian guy persuading the victim that he does not NEED a codec -> moderation kicks in |
| 08:45.35 | RST38h | johnx: yes, it is unusually fast on OMAP2. I wish it were this fast on an STMP37xx though... |
| 08:46.13 | Jaffa | Scratchbox just smells, architecturally. Not sure what could be better; apart from on-device compilation, which might be more realistic with a massive-storage OMAP3-based RX-51 |
| 08:46.13 | johnx | RST38h, any chance of remappable hardware buttons? |
| 08:47.12 | johnx | Jaffa, yeah, that's the problem: cross compiling sucks and no one has their app setup to cross compile sanely |
| 08:47.22 | RST38h | johnx: possible but why? |
| 08:47.36 | RST38h | Jaffa: Scratchbox is a piece of shit, indeed |
| 08:47.42 | Jaffa | johnx: it's a real hard problem |
| 08:47.54 | RST38h | Gentlemen, it is not a hard problem |
| 08:47.59 | johnx | RST38h, I need to hold R and press B. R on + and L on - would be really nice |
| 08:48.10 | RST38h | Now, tying your project to autoconf makes it a hard problem |
| 08:48.27 | RST38h | johnx: Oh that thing...You can do it easily |
| 08:48.47 | Jaffa | suspects the Right Way (apart from on-device compilation) is a full-blown emulator to do the same, with some common FS point. |
| 08:48.52 | RST38h | johnx: second alphanumeric keyboard row from the bottom is all mapped to B |
| 08:49.08 | johnx | RST38h, n800 |
| 08:49.11 | RST38h | johnx: Third row (QWERT...) is mapped to L R L R L R |
| 08:49.24 | RST38h | johnx: Oh. No multitouch. |
| 08:49.35 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: emu + distcc isn't half bad |
| 08:49.49 | RST38h | johnx: And you don't really want key remapping, youi want configurable touch areas? |
| 08:49.52 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: is that what you're using for mer? |
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| 08:50.05 | johnx | RST38h, no. I just want + to be R and - to be L |
| 08:50.21 | johnx | RST38h, the hardware zoom keys |
| 08:50.21 | RST38h | Jaffa: The right way is not to search for the right way but do it as the rest of the platforms |
| 08:50.33 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: we used to but it's not always reliable. right now i'm making scratchbox more sane |
| 08:50.39 | RST38h | Jaffa: I.e. a simple cross-compilation toolchain. |
| 08:50.41 | Stskeeps | sb2 is a step in the right direction but oh so buggy |
| 08:50.49 | RST38h | Yes, sb2 is much better |
| 08:50.58 | RST38h | Not very buggy to me, just unstable |
| 08:51.00 | Jaffa | RST38h: you still get into a compatibility mess on your host OS |
| 08:51.08 | RST38h | Jaffa: I do not |
| 08:51.25 | RST38h | Jaffa: Not using autoconf. Using HOSTCC to compile intermediate binaries. |
| 08:52.20 | RST38h | johnx: Mmm...Can't promise but will try to figure something out |
| 08:52.48 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: using sb is a breeze compared to compiling in-emu or on-device though.. 16 hour glib vs 15 min scratchbox |
| 08:52.57 | johnx | RST38h, that would be really awesome. also is there some hidden way to tweak frameskip. (that I don't care about too much.) |
| 08:53.12 | Stskeeps | i still support m-vo's post about scratchbox though |
| 08:53.20 | Stskeeps | but sb2 just isn't sane enough |
| 08:54.02 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: that's why we need performant JIT-based emulators (for example, RPCemu has an ARM->x86(_64) dynarec) or super-fast devices :-) |
| 08:54.21 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: qemu binary emulator isn't perfect either.. :P |
| 08:54.35 | Stskeeps | with eabi support it's better |
| 08:59.09 | RST38h | johnx: There is in gconf |
| 08:59.40 | johnx | RST38h, ah. I figured that you of all people would be the last person to use gconf. I didn't even bother looking in it :) |
| 09:00.27 | rm_you | i saw a stratagus port somewhere |
| 09:00.29 | rm_you | i thinik bundyo> |
| 09:00.30 | rm_you | ? |
| 09:00.35 | johnx | hey rm_you :D |
| 09:00.36 | rm_you | wow i manged that line |
| 09:00.39 | rm_you | *mangled |
| 09:00.45 | rm_you | i can't type like this >_< |
| 09:00.48 | rm_you | hey johnx |
| 09:00.51 | johnx | oh no! he has the mange |
| 09:00.54 | qwerty12 | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16774 |
| 09:01.18 | johnx | qwerty12, honestly. how do you come up with links that quick? |
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| 09:01.35 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:01.39 | johnx | do you have some kind of magic copy+paste buffer? |
| 09:01.42 | qwerty12 | johnx, google for stratagus & internettablettalk :D |
| 09:01.59 | johnx | yeah, but I was just about to hit search as you were posting that |
| 09:02.18 | qwerty12 | heh :D |
| 09:02.30 | rm_you | nice |
| 09:02.46 | rm_you | yeah i saw a garage page but no files |
| 09:02.49 | qwerty12 | I'm more pissed off at my beneath a steel sky save getting corrupted :( |
| 09:03.11 | qwerty12 | Playing it till 1am, try loading up my save and scummvm segfaults on me :@ |
| 09:05.39 | Norrit_ | Anybody having graphic problems with new diablo release and QT? |
| 09:05.40 | RST38h | johnx: I use whatever the platform offers |
| 09:05.47 | rm_you | qwerty12: you should send people these: http://tinyurl.com/82lt8s |
| 09:05.50 | RST38h | johnx: Windows version uses the registry |
| 09:06.00 | qwerty12 | rm_you, yeah, I saw that one :D |
| 09:06.08 | rm_you | lol |
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| 09:12.13 | Norrit_ | ...apparently not... |
| 09:12.56 | johnx | Norrit_, haven't tried qt yet. I don't think many people have |
| 09:13.46 | johnx | Meiz, get back here! :/ |
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| 09:15.26 | Norrit_ | Yeah...I suppose so...I may have to try to figure something out or go to the project's forum... |
| 09:15.57 | johnx | Norrit_, what kind of problems are you seeing? can you get a screenshot? |
| 09:17.22 | RST38h | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3949 <----- hehehehe |
| 09:17.36 | RST38h | Somebody should start making community releases of Modest |
| 09:18.03 | Norrit_ | now to dinner...I'll explane after that... |
| 09:18.09 | RST38h | There is no way maintainers will ever fix all these bugs by themselves |
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| 09:22.09 | Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 is my newly raised modest bug |
| 09:22.56 | qwerty12 | They should dedicate an entire bugzilla to modest |
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| 09:30.46 | johnx | haha! someone is doing my work for me. xf86-input-tslib is in launchpad for ubuntu |
| 09:31.47 | RST38h | Jaffa: This actually looks minor... |
| 09:31.59 | RST38h | (I mean compared to other gaping holes in Modest :)) |
| 09:32.39 | Jaffa | True. |
| 09:32.56 | Jaffa | I also hate the fact I can't choose the font in the composition window, so I can't get a 72-character non-Courier view. |
| 09:39.04 | Stskeeps | johnx: yay for upstream |
| 09:39.18 | johnx | except it's not compatible with their x server changes |
| 09:39.32 | johnx | stab stab stab |
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| 09:47.05 | Norrit_ | johnx: well...hard to explain exactly but generally some graphics are missing...for example window sliders. |
| 09:47.51 | Norrit_ | johnx: window was maybe a bad word...but slider generally...not allways though... |
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| 10:05.22 | Stskeeps | mer devkit now with .. coreutils updated |
| 10:06.04 | johnx | trawls the x.org mailing lists for mention of what to do about xf86GetMotionEvents being dropped from InitValuatorClassDeviceStruct |
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| 10:12.00 | gnuton | Hi there |
| 10:12.31 | X-Fade | Hi gnuton |
| 10:13.00 | gnuton | Hello X-Fade ! :D |
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| 10:13.14 | Stskeeps | wb w00t_ |
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| 10:20.55 | johnx | X is big |
| 10:21.29 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:21.58 | johnx | it's a miracle that anyone new dives in and starts hacking on it |
| 10:23.01 | Stskeeps | used to be worse |
| 10:23.14 | johnx | yeah. that's a scary thought |
| 10:23.32 | johnx | I remember compiling xfree86 3.3.x on a k6 @ 250MHz |
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| 10:26.02 | johnx | huh...well there's the fix I need. wonder why it interacts badly with the button-release fix |
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| 10:32.59 | Stskeeps | there's nothing like xmas cleaning when you have dust allergy |
| 10:33.08 | Stskeeps | is officially going to be a bit doped on meds the next days |
| 10:33.29 | johnx | yeah, dust is no fun |
| 10:35.16 | johnx | is the builder up? |
| 10:36.11 | Stskeeps | yeah, should work |
| 10:36.21 | Stskeeps | i havent switched it to the sb one yet |
| 10:36.35 | Stskeeps | i've made sb behave so much that it's possible to take a buildd rootstrap and use that |
| 10:37.18 | johnx | hot sauce |
| 10:37.59 | Stskeeps | instead of providing a all-bells-and-whistles rootstrap |
| 10:38.48 | Stskeeps | ok, 21.2k hits on nitdroid |
| 10:38.50 | Stskeeps | that's vaguely insane |
| 10:39.02 | johnx | :) |
| 10:39.19 | johnx | it *would* be neat to have a davlik runtime that worked inside X11 |
| 10:39.35 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 10:41.53 | johnx | closes off half of his apartment in a vain effort to keep the cold out |
| 10:44.06 | Stskeeps | mm. thats why i like my office. its so sealed off that my servers keep it warm |
| 10:45.09 | johnx | I just have the one machine hanging off a 200w power supply...but I also have a 1.x kw space heater under my desk :D |
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| 11:12.01 | Stskeeps | wb solca |
| 11:12.22 | Jaffa | Hilarity: http://bleb.org/misc/phish.txt |
| 11:12.35 | solca | hi Stskeeps |
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| 11:12.58 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, heh, idiots... |
| 11:13.55 | johnx | so you think they just harvest that automatically? wonder if they check for escape characters when parsing... |
| 11:14.22 | Stskeeps | solca: how's the nitchooser/selector/whatever going? |
| 11:14.32 | Stskeeps | solca: and impressive on the 21.2k hits on the nitdroid thread :) |
| 11:15.12 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: they are not even trying now are they? :P |
| 11:15.56 | solca | Stskeeps: selector is fine, I was able to boot to Mer without probs |
| 11:16.05 | solca | I'm using bionic libc |
| 11:16.14 | solca | still dont have the GUI working |
| 11:16.29 | Stskeeps | how big is it size-wise? |
| 11:16.35 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: it's almost like a Phisher Price "My first scam" :) |
| 11:17.13 | solca | so for my smallest kernel is 1.3MB + ~ 200K for the minimal userspace |
| 11:17.21 | solca | I dunno about the GUI |
| 11:17.41 | Jaffa | Quick question: is NITdroid actually usable/useful atm? |
| 11:17.55 | Jaffa | trying to persuade himself to have a play ;-) |
| 11:18.05 | Stskeeps | solca: gui is of secondary importance i guess |
| 11:18.24 | solca | Jaffa: not ready for everyday use, but closer... |
| 11:18.57 | solca | Stskeeps: probably, but without GUI is not very fun :P |
| 11:18.58 | Stskeeps | solca: how's hw support of the newer kernels? anything that doesn't work? |
| 11:19.01 | Jaffa | solca: what are the big gaps? |
| 11:19.07 | Stskeeps | solca: well, gui as in text mode ui is possible too |
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| 11:19.49 | Stskeeps | morning lardman |
| 11:20.04 | solca | Stskeeps: doesnt work: cpufreq, camera, sound on n800 |
| 11:20.46 | qwerty12 | camera isn't a big loss but the tosser who removed the n800 mixer driver should be nuked |
| 11:21.00 | Stskeeps | solca: k, i guess sound is DSP stuff? |
| 11:21.05 | Stskeeps | cpufreq sounds a bit serious.. |
| 11:21.27 | solca | Stskeeps: DSP is apart, core sound for N800 has to be ported to new ALSA SoC API |
| 11:21.35 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:21.38 | solca | cpufreq is serious |
| 11:21.59 | johnx | so what's it stuck at 320MHz or 400MHz? |
| 11:22.27 | solca | at least dynamic ticks (CONFIG_NO_HZ) is working nicely |
| 11:22.43 | solca | johnx: 320MHz if I remember right |
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| 11:23.00 | Stskeeps | solca: if we were to make "initfs" images with binary blobs in, what things would you need? |
| 11:23.10 | Stskeeps | retutime, wifi firmware, bluetooth firmware? |
| 11:23.44 | solca | dsme, battery stuff (bmx?) |
| 11:24.05 | solca | just what it is used by NITboot |
| 11:24.25 | solca | plus the bluetooth/wifi firmwares |
| 11:25.20 | Stskeeps | solca: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_firmware_image_distribution might be of interest |
| 11:25.26 | Stskeeps | btw, android SDK license is mean |
| 11:25.53 | solca | the good thing is with power management in newer kernels is that dymamic ticks and sleep while idle works |
| 11:26.02 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:26.05 | solca | I just need a few patches to shut up the serial clocks |
| 11:26.16 | solca | Stskeeps: will take a look |
| 11:26.18 | Stskeeps | "3.5 You agree that the form and nature of the SDK that Google provides may change without prior notice to you and that future versions of the SDK may be incompatible with applications developed on previous versions of the SDK. You agree that Google may stop (permanently or temporarily) providing the SDK (or any features within the SDK) to you or to users generally at Google's sole discretion, without prior notice to you. " |
| 11:26.41 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: just a formalisation of what Nokia could do to Maemo |
| 11:26.58 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 11:27.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, true |
| 11:27.13 | johnx | really just a CYA. it's kind of common sense that software might change... |
| 11:27.29 | Jaffa | Yeah, I wouldn't read too much in to it |
| 11:27.46 | solca | Stskeeps: where do you get that? |
| 11:27.50 | Jaffa | thinks Android on RX-51 could be *really* exciting |
| 11:27.52 | Stskeeps | solca: http://code.google.com/intl/da/android/download.html |
| 11:28.01 | Jaffa | Faster hardware, better 3D drivers, built-in connectivity. |
| 11:28.13 | Stskeeps | "(D) Google decides to no longer providing the SDK or certain parts of the SDK to users in the country in which you are resident or from which you use the service, or the provision of the SDK or certain SDK services to you by Google is, in Google's sole discretion, no longer commercially viable" termination clause is funny too |
| 11:28.21 | Jaffa | Of course, I'm also excited about fremantle, so roll on the beta programme |
| 11:28.23 | Stskeeps | so suddenly you can't develop for it anymore |
| 11:28.45 | solca | Stskeeps: that is the SDK |
| 11:28.48 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:29.02 | Stskeeps | still, it's needed to develop for android sanely, isn't it? |
| 11:29.10 | solca | I dont care about the SDK but the Android components which are Apache licensed |
| 11:29.27 | solca | Apache is more liberal than the GPL |
| 11:29.30 | Jaffa | How different is NITdroid from a commercial Android-based device like the G1? |
| 11:30.12 | Stskeeps | solca: yeah, i'm not a gnubie :P i was more talking from developer POV, not the OS components |
| 11:30.53 | solca | Stskeeps: I was reading the "firmware image distribution" page, does that means that every user needs to download the proprietary stuff individually? |
| 11:31.02 | johnx | Stskeeps, have you been able to boot Mer after the 43-7 SSU? |
| 11:31.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: didn't get SSU yet, just some parts |
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| 11:31.30 | johnx | I assume you don't have the kernel yet? |
| 11:31.38 | solca | Stskeeps: for a developer it doesnt matter much as long as his programs are not derived works of the SDK |
| 11:32.23 | solca | Jaffa: NITdroid is softare and the G1 is hardware |
| 11:32.35 | solca | Jaffa: but the NIT can be compared to the G1 |
| 11:32.46 | Jaffa | I meant the s/w which ships with the G1 |
| 11:32.49 | Stskeeps | solca: re the firmware it would be a way to say "i have this tar.gz with my distribution or whatever, please include the closed source bits in here, and distribute it through maemo.org license agreeing" |
| 11:32.56 | Stskeeps | so it would appear as a full image |
| 11:33.06 | solca | Jaffa: the G1 requires cryptograpically signed userspace and the NITs dont |
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| 11:33.57 | Jaffa | solca: Sorry, I meant is it as sparse as if you took the open bits of Maemo, or is it a polished (from a user point of view) system |
| 11:34.00 | solca | Stskeeps: I think the distributions terms are not that useful as I read it |
| 11:34.10 | Jaffa | should just try it |
| 11:37.30 | solca | "The resulting firmware images would only be downloadable through providing a valid MAC address for a Nokia Internet Tablet product and agreeing to a license covering the user's use of the firmware image, just like tablets-dev.nokia.com." |
| 11:37.45 | Stskeeps | solca: well, in best case we'll have a generic image which is nitchooser |
| 11:37.52 | Stskeeps | covering kernel and initfs |
| 11:38.03 | Stskeeps | with the blobs in it |
| 11:38.05 | lardman | belated hello all |
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| 11:38.43 | Stskeeps | solca: and the problem is that otherwise we can't distribute wifi firmware, stlc45xx-cal, etc without a non-free agreement |
| 11:38.51 | Stskeeps | world isn't that easy (sadly) :P |
| 11:38.55 | Jaffa | lo lardman |
| 11:39.08 | Jaffa | lardman: any feedback on the debmaster questions? |
| 11:39.17 | Stskeeps | but what it -could- do is, you can either provide your own image without the properitary bits, -or- if people want, download one with the blobs embedded |
| 11:39.26 | Jaffa | lardman: consider this an additional poke ;-) |
| 11:39.34 | solca | Stskeeps: I don't get it: how can the blobs be in it if every user have to provide its MAC and download the components himself |
| 11:39.43 | lardman | Jaffa: haven't looked, will see if I can find your email |
| 11:40.06 | solca | Stskeeps: we should file a bug report so newer propriertary blobs get included in new initfs versions |
| 11:40.22 | Stskeeps | solca: idea is.. distributions provide build script that assembles distribution on maemo.org server. build script provides result online behind a EULA |
| 11:40.23 | solca | at least that way we can use it without caring about ppl downloading stuff |
| 11:40.40 | Jaffa | lardman: I can repoke it, or just log in to Google Docs and it should show up |
| 11:41.14 | lardman | ok, hang on a tick |
| 11:41.40 | Stskeeps | solca: -but-, if that isn't an option for you, then we would have a build script that makes a FIASCO flashable image with kernel, and an initfs with chooser+kexec+the closed bits |
| 11:41.46 | Stskeeps | and people could download those and flash with |
| 11:42.44 | solca | Stskeeps: really, that would be awesome! |
| 11:42.58 | Stskeeps | solca: and that's what we're trying to work towards |
| 11:43.05 | Stskeeps | and in slow talks with nokia about |
| 11:43.16 | Stskeeps | (read the thread the wiki points to) |
| 11:43.49 | solca | cool, so all it needs is a script that runs on its servers and assembles the FIASCO image? |
| 11:44.13 | Stskeeps | yeah. ideally. but of course there's a bit of discussion to be done before this can happen :) |
| 11:45.18 | solca | Stskeeps: ok, ping me if necessary, I'll try to have something usable so we can test various distros with the selector |
| 11:45.23 | solca | hopefully this week |
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| 11:45.25 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:45.35 | Stskeeps | we need to figure out a way to boot "normal maemo" with it too |
| 11:45.40 | solca | but I can't promise anything as the Christmas holidays are in effect!! :P |
| 11:45.43 | Stskeeps | hehe, same |
| 11:46.12 | solca | wow I must be sleeping btw, (5:46AM here) |
| 11:47.14 | solca | Stskeeps: I boot normal maemo without problems |
| 11:47.34 | solca | Stskeeps: in fact next NITdroid version will have a 'Boot to Maemo' in its power menu |
| 11:47.42 | solca | using kexec |
| 11:51.30 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:51.42 | Stskeeps | but you go through initfs or that is kept free of chooser? |
| 11:53.24 | solca | the selector/chooser as nitdroid don't depend on initfs' linuxrc |
| 11:53.41 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 11:53.42 | solca | for kexecing maemo what it is needed is the maemo kernel |
| 11:53.52 | solca | which is in the rootfs |
| 11:54.14 | solca | if there were no maemo kernel there all this thing cant be done |
| 11:54.25 | Stskeeps | i wonder.. |
| 11:54.58 | Stskeeps | is initfs represented in rootfs? |
| 11:55.13 | solca | ? |
| 11:55.19 | Stskeeps | well it does flash it.. |
| 11:56.20 | Stskeeps | funny, initfs-flasher does have it in package but it removes it again |
| 11:58.47 | solca | for booting maemo both initfs and rootfs are needed, you load the kernel (which luckily is) in the maemo rootfs, point the root= argument as the initfs partition and kexec |
| 11:58.47 | solca | and that it |
| 11:58.47 | solca | you have maemo booting |
| 11:58.47 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:59.19 | solca | Stskeeps: ohh and for Mer the same is needed, a kernel in your partition unless you will use the normal maemo one |
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| 11:59.34 | solca | ot the selector one |
| 11:59.38 | solca | s/ot/or |
| 12:00.02 | Stskeeps | have you thought any about rescue stuff yet? |
| 12:00.31 | Stskeeps | and yeah, we would probably have a kernel in our partition |
| 12:00.51 | Stskeeps | how stripped is the kernel? |
| 12:01.04 | solca | rescue is not needed IMO as the selector is selfcontained |
| 12:01.17 | solca | the selector kernel is very stripped |
| 12:01.22 | solca | _very_ |
| 12:01.33 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:01.40 | Stskeeps | so it has stuff like ext2, ext3, jffs? |
| 12:02.16 | solca | it must have all the needed/possible filesystems |
| 12:02.53 | solca | but fancy stuff like dsp,sound,useless stuff... no |
| 12:02.56 | Stskeeps | i wonder how we could do "easy recovery" |
| 12:03.16 | solca | what you mean by easy recovery? |
| 12:03.51 | Stskeeps | well - the idea is being able to interface with your tablet when your boot options are exhausted |
| 12:04.12 | Stskeeps | such as telnet in, access through usb ethernet, whatever |
| 12:04.23 | Stskeeps | i guess it could technically be a file on a sd card |
| 12:04.43 | solca | Stskeeps: or a file in the initfs |
| 12:04.54 | Stskeeps | mm, maybe too big for that if it needs extra stuff? |
| 12:05.33 | solca | probably, the kernel components are very small, the userspace is the problem |
| 12:05.37 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:06.20 | Stskeeps | could it technically have space enough to mount a fat fs on mmc and mount it loopback? |
| 12:06.28 | solca | I'll give it a try this days, all depends in my ability to compile the needed binaries using my own "scratchbox" |
| 12:06.31 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:06.47 | Stskeeps | i'm trying to get a scratchbox sdk going, always fun :P |
| 12:07.15 | solca | yea, it could mount a file loopback |
| 12:07.42 | Stskeeps | is usb stuff disabled? |
| 12:08.07 | solca | right now yes |
| 12:08.18 | solca | I disabled everything not needed |
| 12:08.21 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:09.05 | solca | but I can reduce size further using SLOB instead of SLUB/SLAB and other tricks |
| 12:09.32 | Stskeeps | but can stuff be loaded through .kos still or? |
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| 12:09.57 | Stskeeps | lets say usb stuff :P |
| 12:10.09 | solca | .kos = loadable kernel objects ? |
| 12:10.12 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:10.18 | solca | yes |
| 12:10.52 | solca | as I said the kernel part doesnt worry me, its the userspace part |
| 12:11.01 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:11.33 | Stskeeps | hmm, can you pass a initrd from a fs or does kernel do that, when kexec? |
| 12:12.09 | solca | initrd must be passed by the bootloader |
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| 12:12.25 | solca | initramfs is embedded with the kernel image |
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| 12:12.35 | solca | so it doesnt need the bootloader |
| 12:12.38 | Stskeeps | yeah, but im wondering since the kernel is actually the bootloader in this case :) |
| 12:12.51 | Stskeeps | i'm just pondering to put a kernel and a initrd on a mmc fatfs and kexec it |
| 12:13.31 | solca | yea its possible except for the selector kernel |
| 12:13.47 | solca | which is execed by the real bootloader |
| 12:13.49 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:13.50 | solca | (nolo) |
| 12:14.36 | solca | the rescue can be a completely different kernel and initrd |
| 12:14.46 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:14.52 | solca | or better can be just a new initrd |
| 12:15.14 | solca | and reusing the same running kernel |
| 12:15.24 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:16.29 | Stskeeps | so we can make quite a versatile rescue menu that way then |
| 12:16.54 | timelE61i | choice=confusion |
| 12:17.04 | timelE61i | confusion=disaster |
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| 12:17.34 | solca | yea with that your idea about a initrd on any possible media everything is possible, we just have to stick to a convention |
| 12:17.43 | timelE61i | Does your rescue speak italian? |
| 12:17.49 | solca | for the rescue menu |
| 12:17.54 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: hey, it just might. |
| 12:18.00 | timelE61i | And russian? |
| 12:18.12 | solca | timelE61i: yes it could!! |
| 12:18.21 | timelE61i | Who's your target audience? |
| 12:18.26 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: console fonts are a good thing |
| 12:18.50 | timelE61i | Solca: all things are possible, some just won't be done on time |
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| 12:19.30 | solca | timelE61i: don't worry, there's more time than life :P |
| 12:19.32 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: we're not asking nokia to do it, if that's what you're thinking :P |
| 12:19.45 | timelE61i | Stskeeps: seriously, do you have a decent way to let the user pick their language? |
| 12:20.03 | timelE61i | And how much space does supporting them all cost? |
| 12:20.25 | solca | timelE61i: compressed strings dont cost a lot |
| 12:20.33 | timelE61i | And no, i didn't think you were foolish enough to ask nokia to do it |
| 12:21.13 | timelE61i | Solca: i see internals complaining about string size, but i'm more worried about UE than space |
| 12:21.15 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: yes, it's reasonably possible to do it |
| 12:21.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Do you really need translations for: "1. Mer", "2. Maemo", "3. Nitdroid"? |
| 12:21.36 | timelE61i | You're in console mode, right? |
| 12:21.39 | Stskeeps | and? |
| 12:21.43 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: rescue mode |
| 12:21.51 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: or a full framebuffer, depending on perspective |
| 12:22.08 | solca | qwerty12_N800: selector and rescue mode just have a small strings AFAICS |
| 12:22.14 | timelE61i | Well, how many rows do you have? |
| 12:22.24 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, my bad, i thought this was the selector discussion |
| 12:22.31 | timelE61i | And how many languages |
| 12:22.45 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE |
| 12:23.02 | timelE61i | On my e61i? Hrm... |
| 12:23.06 | Stskeeps | true. |
| 12:23.16 | Stskeeps | well you never know with nokia phones.. :P |
| 12:23.23 | timelE61i | "url in clipboard" |
| 12:23.31 | timelE61i | launches skyfire |
| 12:23.52 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: the idea is to provide a way out when maemo/whatever nukes itself. |
| 12:24.01 | Stskeeps | that doesn't involve reflashing completely |
| 12:24.08 | qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i, http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE&client=mv-google&gl=GB&hl=en&warned=True |
| 12:24.32 | timelE61i | err, one youtube url at a time? |
| 12:24.41 | Stskeeps | same youtube video, mobile edition |
| 12:24.48 | timelE61i | waits for skyfire to launch |
| 12:24.57 | qwerty12_N800 | ^^ ;) |
| 12:25.04 | timelE61i | oh, skyfire can handle desktop youtube |
| 12:25.18 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: the rescue menu is also a way to design PC-side tool that can aid users in rescuing their data. |
| 12:25.29 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: One tip: manual lens focus ;) |
| 12:25.36 | solca | ok, gotto go, see ya!... |
| 12:25.38 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: .. first youtube video |
| 12:25.41 | Stskeeps | cya solca |
| 12:26.02 | Stskeeps | and often a simple "Please dump my documents to a MMC" will do the trick. |
| 12:26.08 | timelE61i | Hrm, skyfire might not be able to compete w/ irc? |
| 12:27.34 | qwerty12_N800 | hates adv-power's new charging pic |
| 12:27.42 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 12:28.14 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: anyway, what conclusion we reached was ability to have a mmc with a kernel and a initrd (cpio) on fat |
| 12:28.19 | Stskeeps | and that would be a recovery console |
| 12:28.43 | qwerty12_N800 | Before it had a charging animation, like the original applet, but the new one just shows a static yellow/boring bolt |
| 12:28.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ok |
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| 12:29.18 | Stskeeps | sounds fair? |
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| 12:30.08 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, i'm not likely to object to anything (knowing nothing about omap kernels past 2.6.21) |
| 12:30.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and kernel would be kexec'ed :P |
| 12:30.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: well you know a lot about how to unfuck tablets ;) |
| 12:30.52 | lcuk | timelE61i, that skyfire demo, what spec system is it running on, |
| 12:30.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, :P |
| 12:32.01 | lcuk | doesnt matter, ive found a few more links |
| 12:32.22 | timelE61i | Which demo? |
| 12:32.33 | timelE61i | i just use it |
| 12:33.05 | lcuk | on your e61? |
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| 12:33.23 | timelE61i | i - yep |
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| 12:34.34 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: the idea is to use community expertise to create pre-made solutions for solving problems. that means, it doesn't have to be one generic rescue menu. it can even be icons only. |
| 12:35.07 | timelE61i | One more warning |
| 12:35.59 | timelE61i | Nokia - Finland was stupid enough to try icon only for pcsuite |
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| 12:36.23 | timelE61i | They picked a green check and a red x |
| 12:36.41 | qwerty12_N800 | w00ts at his BASS save game loading fine in scummvm 0.11.0. f*ck 0.11.2 |
| 12:36.51 | Stskeeps | yeah, that icons mean different things to different cultures |
| 12:36.53 | timelE61i | Too bad, i'm told that in finnish, the meanings are basically reversed |
| 12:36.57 | Stskeeps | i know that part :P |
| 12:37.10 | timelE61i | They didn't |
| 12:37.15 | timelE61i | And they live here |
| 12:37.21 | lcuk | timelE61i, is desktop youtube as fine as they show in different demos? |
| 12:37.26 | timelE61i | bangs head against nearest wall |
| 12:37.37 | Stskeeps | and that's why it's good to have ethnographers on your team :P |
| 12:38.05 | timelE61i | various lessons to be learned |
| 12:38.39 | timelE61i | I think i'd suggest "and that's why you should ask the people working on it if they see any problems" |
| 12:38.53 | timelE61i | And then perhaps, juist maybe, listen to their answers |
| 12:39.49 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:39.55 | timelE61i | Ok, two packs of toilet paper (8rolls each) for 3.79 or one pack of toilet paper (16rolls) 7.59 |
| 12:40.06 | Stskeeps | xmas coming up. lots of diaherra. |
| 12:40.08 | timelE61i | Anyone see a problem? |
| 12:41.02 | inz | timel, you pay extra .01 for easier carrying |
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| 12:42.33 | timelE61i | And then the cashier rounds my credit card bill to 7.60 |
| 12:42.44 | Stskeeps | they're not allowed to do that here |
| 12:42.53 | Stskeeps | 7.59 is literally dragged from your account :P |
| 12:43.49 | timelE61i | would rather 7.58 |
| 12:43.52 | jaska | kicking and screaming |
| 12:44.17 | timelE61i | anyway, inz: your country sucks |
| 12:44.47 | timelE61i | :) |
| 12:44.50 | jaska | o.O |
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| 12:45.30 | RST38h | [whispering] Now, inz, is the good time to launch the missiles. Do you want his cooridnates? |
| 12:46.54 | timelE61i | tries to remember if inz is in HEL |
| 12:47.44 | jaska | s/$/L/ |
| 12:48.13 | timelE61i | nO, hel |
| 12:48.28 | jaska | hell-sink-i |
| 12:48.46 | inz | timel, more like TRE (but not exactly that either) |
| 12:49.10 | timelE61i | Err@ lame ime. HEL (airport code/region) |
| 12:49.44 | Stskeeps | tampere? :P |
| 12:49.53 | inz | timle, oh sorry, Tampere is TMP in airport code |
| 12:51.01 | Stskeeps | (kinda sweet airport code, too.) |
| 12:51.03 | timelE61i | Cd $TMP |
| 12:53.04 | inz | Funny I got it wrong, it was only yesterday I removed the tag from our luggage |
| 12:53.12 | Stskeeps | wooo. sane scratchbox. it gets from bare buildd debootstrap to apt-get build-dep hildon-desktop \o/ |
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| 12:54.11 | johnx | O_o |
| 12:54.18 | lcuk | im goin again, bbl |
| 12:55.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: .. and ofcourse dpkg-buildpackage needs -d ;> |
| 12:56.21 | johnx | anyways, I'm out of my depth with x-x-i-tslib problems, but it seems to be maintained on lp for ubuntu, so I might wait a couple days and see if that guy makes a patch |
| 12:56.27 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 13:12.16 | oli | mplayer mplayer mms://video.4fun.tv:8080 |
| 13:12.35 | oli | it works on a windows mplayer, but on maemo not |
| 13:12.55 | oli | and there is no error - just 'connecting...' message |
| 13:13.00 | Jaffa | It's using the win32 codecs, probably |
| 13:13.32 | oli | but it should at least connect to stream |
| 13:14.10 | ShadowJK_ | the mplayer version on your desktop is probably newer than the one in maemo extras |
| 13:14.51 | ShadowJK_ | a recent mplayer seems to play it completely without binary codecs |
| 13:16.03 | RST38h | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/new-year-countdown-series-1/ |
| 13:16.06 | RST38h | Ho ho ho |
| 13:16.10 | ShadowJK_ | hm, it actually connects on tablet too |
| 13:16.43 | oli | ShadowJK_: sorry, it says 'connected', but nothing more |
| 13:16.45 | Stskeeps | "fermantle"? :P |
| 13:17.00 | johnx | RST38h, looks like ubuntu mobile's layout |
| 13:17.20 | johnx | you could really do that in fremantle with marquee-plugins and a new desktop-layout.conf I believe |
| 13:17.24 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:17.27 | Stskeeps | or even without :P |
| 13:17.28 | RST38h | johnx: Or Fennec |
| 13:17.36 | johnx | s/fremantle/diablo actually/ |
| 13:17.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: he's interested in mer too btw |
| 13:17.54 | RST38h | johnx: I am not sure I agree that this is a good idea though... |
| 13:17.55 | Stskeeps | prodded him some weeks ago |
| 13:18.26 | johnx | I'm working on a VGA screen layout. should be nice for the zaurus and wii :) |
| 13:18.29 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:18.29 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:19.07 | Stskeeps | hildon-desktop-layout helps things a bit |
| 13:19.09 | RST38h | And all those HTCs and Nokia S60s... |
| 13:20.12 | johnx | now a rant: it is pretty overwhelming digging into the desktop layout stuff with it's dozens of config files |
| 13:21.11 | Stskeeps | isnt it pretty covered in hildon-desktop-layout package? |
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| 13:23.37 | aquatix | hey all :) |
| 13:23.38 | johnx | hmm? define "covered"? there's a filler README in there and a file that specifices the default background |
| 13:23.44 | johnx | hi aquatix |
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| 13:24.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: hmm |
| 13:24.37 | johnx | it's fine, I'm getting somewhere with it, just not fast |
| 13:25.08 | Stskeeps | this one? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop-layout-alpha/files |
| 13:26.28 | johnx | huh |
| 13:27.02 | johnx | has more files than the one on my system :/ |
| 13:27.11 | Stskeeps | that's hildon desktop layout (which i made at some point) to seperate h-d and layout |
| 13:27.38 | Stskeeps | there might be more conf files though |
| 13:27.47 | johnx | yeah, I have h-d-l-alpha installed, says it's the latest version, but just has README.Debian and the background conf |
| 13:28.00 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 13:28.17 | johnx | anyways, don't worry, I was just ranting :) |
| 13:28.25 | Stskeeps | should contain all confs, weird :P |
| 13:31.08 | GAN8001 | shuffles tiredly off to work. |
| 13:32.04 | Stskeeps | morning GA, and have a good work day |
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| 13:33.52 | Jaffa | GAN8001: work?! :) |
| 13:34.12 | GAN8001 | Jaffa, my days of lazy hippiedom are over (for the next couple weeks, anyway). ;) |
| 13:34.23 | GAN8001 | Pulling in just enough to get me through another semester. |
| 13:34.28 | Jaffa | Heh, cool. |
| 13:34.47 | Jaffa | plus saving up for an RX-51 on (hopefully) discount |
| 13:35.07 | GAN8001 | Hehe, well, THAT money I've had ready since the end of 2007. :P |
| 13:35.28 | GAN8001 | I'm just glad I'm coming in towards the end of the Christmas rush (and it's a weak retail year). |
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| 13:36.28 | Jaffa | GAN8001: lardman suggested some changes to the questions for applicants, I've integrated them. |
| 13:36.44 | GAN8001 | I'll look at 'em at lunch. |
| 13:36.46 | GAN8001 | Later all. |
| 13:37.40 | Jaffa | cya |
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| 13:38.51 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 13:39.48 | johnx | huh...great minds think alike? :D |
| 13:40.07 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 13:49.46 | Stskeeps | and 87k on the "android installer" post O_o |
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| 14:02.23 | lcuk | Stskeeps, viral, and you dont help with mentioning it :P |
| 14:02.33 | Stskeeps | true |
| 14:03.20 | lcuk | i did something very odd last night |
| 14:03.30 | lcuk | i wrote a native x11 program which ran on both devices |
| 14:03.45 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 14:03.50 | Stskeeps | that's what x11 is for though :P |
| 14:04.11 | lcuk | yeah, but performance on both platforms was lacking :P |
| 14:04.37 | oli | lcuk: when you touch screen in 2 points only one value is reported, yep? |
| 14:04.45 | lcuk | yes oli |
| 14:05.35 | oli | so liqbase detects multitouching when this points moves too fast ? (touching screen in 2nd point) |
| 14:05.58 | oli | i was wondering about it ;) |
| 14:06.51 | lcuk | yes oli, its multitouch in 4d |
| 14:07.36 | lcuk | take the initial fixed static point, then detect if latws of physics have been broken (jumped beyond a radius within a timeframe) and take it that you placed a second finger |
| 14:08.05 | oli | but you cannot move the first point |
| 14:08.12 | lcuk | it fails hard if you expect true multitouch though because without the fixed thumb frame of reference it cant tell where its meant to be |
| 14:08.21 | lcuk | ... |
| 14:08.54 | oli | i think it would work well in canola /photos/ |
| 14:09.29 | lcuk | theres a few things needed from the first algo i put in place, but yeah it does work reasonably well (never ever going to be 100% perfect |
| 14:10.30 | lcuk | if you are gonna play with the algo before i push my next release you should ensure that your estimate of location for each finger doesnt move more than a real finger should do (this was the edge cases I mention when first talking about it) |
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| 14:13.23 | lcuk | oli, i wanted to use it for rotation as well as scaling but couldnt get a fast enough full resoltuion bitmap rotator in the time i alloted |
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| 14:14.55 | lcuk | bbl |
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| 14:29.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: dpkg-genchanges >../hildon-desktop_2.0.19-1mer10_armel.changes |
| 14:29.53 | Stskeeps | , woo |
| 14:30.29 | johnx | ah, it builds? |
| 14:30.36 | johnx | well that's awesome! |
| 14:30.38 | Stskeeps | sdk working |
| 14:33.39 | Stskeeps | now let's see if i can package it up for consumption.. |
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| 14:35.53 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: going to be on your comp during today? |
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| 14:36.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, in ~90 mins |
| 14:36.47 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 14:37.07 | Stskeeps | i'll update directions and have a deb ready with mer devkit then |
| 14:37.17 | Stskeeps | mer devkit might even be useful in maemo, heh |
| 14:37.21 | Stskeeps | updated coreutils, dpkg |
| 14:37.54 | qwerty12_N800 | updated coreutils is good, maemo's cp in sbox is old ass |
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| 14:48.06 | Stskeeps | oh boy |
| 14:48.37 | Stskeeps | nm |
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| 14:50.25 | andrade | hi |
| 14:51.31 | andrade | i've received the following error when trying to compile a c code |
| 14:51.32 | andrade | sbox-arm-linux-gcc: pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-1: No such file or directory |
| 14:51.43 | andrade | i didn't find anything on google :) |
| 14:52.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide if interested |
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| 14:53.22 | mib_vxt727 | Hi, I can't recall luarvique's nick - are you around? |
| 14:53.27 | andrade | anyone have experienced the same error before? |
| 14:53.45 | Stskeeps | andrade: that kinda looks like screwed up build script :P |
| 14:53.49 | qwerty12_N800 | mib_vxt727, you mean RST38h? |
| 14:53.53 | Stskeeps | or remembering `s |
| 14:54.04 | mib_vxt727 | qwerty12_N800: ah, could be |
| 14:54.20 | mib_vxt727 | the guy that reported https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 |
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| 14:54.52 | qwerty12_N800 | mib_vxt727, yeah, that is RST38h :) |
| 14:54.55 | andrade | Stskeeps: pvt, please :) |
| 14:55.26 | Stskeeps | andrade: no, sorry, in the middle of something. you -probably- forgot to have `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-1` (remember the `'s) |
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| 14:56.18 | andrade | no |
| 14:56.19 | andrade | gcc -o flyerframework flyerframework.c 'pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-1' -ansi -Wall 'pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-1' |
| 14:56.36 | Stskeeps | ` not ' |
| 14:56.41 | qwerty12_N800 | s/'/`/ |
| 14:56.42 | Stskeeps | ` means something different from ', so |
| 14:56.51 | andrade | hm |
| 14:57.19 | qwerty12_N800 | ` will use the output from a command which is what you need |
| 14:57.46 | Stskeeps | ok, so, sdk sane, .. next up, builder |
| 14:58.00 | andrade | now its working... thanks |
| 14:58.02 | andrade | :) |
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| 15:00.23 | Stskeeps | .. was that qgil or? :P |
| 15:02.12 | Stskeeps | nm |
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| 15:03.33 | MIA | test |
| 15:03.40 | aquatix | hi MIA |
| 15:03.45 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: you here? |
| 15:03.45 | MIA | hello |
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| 15:08.27 | MIA | does anyone know how to test if maemo-mapper will warn (sound - flite) that i'm approaching a POI (speed-camera) ? |
| 15:08.51 | MIA | the config looks ok, the real test could be tricky :) |
| 15:08.56 | qwerty12_N800 | do 120 on the motorway |
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| 15:09.36 | MIA | ok, i see. this should trigger the speed restriction warning, right? |
| 15:10.13 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, I was joking :) |
| 15:10.25 | MIA | i was not |
| 15:10.41 | MIA | you might have a point there, intended or not :) |
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| 15:12.51 | lcuk | worst thing about gps POI detection (especially cameras) is that its lane based, i am starting to ignore lots of camera warnings because they are for roads nearby where i am travelling |
| 15:13.07 | lcuk | that its not lane based ^ |
| 15:13.36 | qwerty12_N800 | annoying that snoopers were made illegal :) |
| 15:13.52 | MIA | not where I am |
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| 15:14.03 | lcuk | even more annoying that you know all the tricks yet you cant legally drive :P |
| 15:14.14 | MIA | however, a radar just over the hill cannot be detected in time |
| 15:14.26 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, here in the UK they are :( |
| 15:14.36 | lcuk | my car has protection against this anyway, it cant climb a hill faster than 20mph |
| 15:14.44 | MIA | :) |
| 15:14.45 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :P, I went to Maplin a lot :D |
| 15:15.38 | MIA | ok then, i'll see what happens tommorow in the real world. got all the speedcamera POI's up2date |
| 15:17.24 | t_s_o | well ill be... a response to a modest bug :P |
| 15:17.28 | MIA | lcuk, your the one writing liqbase? |
| 15:17.34 | MIA | you're ^^ |
| 15:17.53 | qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o, quick! get the reporters around! |
| 15:18.09 | t_s_o | hmm, i think i should yank the cards out of my N800 and see how much of a impact on battery drain it has... |
| 15:18.34 | t_s_o | qwerty12_N800: i was more thinking about printing it out and nailing it to a wall ;) |
| 15:18.47 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
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| 15:42.45 | zakkm | solco: you here? |
| 15:43.07 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.02 | Stskeeps | wb |
| 15:56.09 | qwerty12 | hi |
| 15:56.18 | qwerty12 | ~mer |
| 15:56.19 | infobot | mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint |
| 15:56.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide updated |
| 15:56.24 | lir1 | what are the improvements in connectivity and applications which the Os2008 Feature Upgrade provides? it's a 19mb download |
| 15:56.33 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nice, reading now :) |
| 15:56.34 | Stskeeps | lir1: X, for instance. and less crap modest |
| 15:57.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: changed rootstrap url |
| 15:57.41 | qwerty12 | Heh, yeah, I'm deleting my old target :) |
| 15:57.49 | lir1 | Stskeeps: is there a more detailed list somewhere? |
| 15:57.49 | andre__ | lir1, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?target_milestone=4.1.3&resolution=FIXED and more |
| 15:59.16 | andre__ | anybody else suddenly seeing 5.2008.43-7's Modest putting the sig at the bottom instead of the top in the composer? |
| 15:59.41 | timeless | you mean it's behaving correctly? |
| 15:59.46 | timeless | is that a crime? |
| 15:59.51 | X-Fade | andre__: As it is supposed to? :) |
| 16:00.08 | timeless | i mean, expected behavior from nokia is unusual, but is it really criminal? |
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| 16:01.58 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, installed :-) |
| 16:02.09 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: woo |
| 16:02.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: the big question is if it works obviously :P |
| 16:02.39 | Stskeeps | fakeroot apt-get update; fakeroot apt-get build-dep something always helps tell if it wdoes |
| 16:04.09 | qwerty12 | It would help if I had a deb-src line for the ubuntu repo :P |
| 16:04.36 | Stskeeps | hmm, forgot that it seems |
| 16:04.45 | Stskeeps | apt-get build-dep hildon-desktop :P |
| 16:05.25 | qwerty12 | hehe, I'm probably downloading mer mini looking at the packages it wants me to install :P |
| 16:05.36 | Stskeeps | probably :P |
| 16:06.48 | qwerty12 | Everything is unpacking fine |
| 16:06.58 | qwerty12 | Seemingly setting up fine too |
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| 16:07.13 | Stskeeps | as a scratchbox first? ;P |
| 16:07.42 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 16:07.52 | qwerty12 | and we're done |
| 16:08.17 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 16:08.50 | qwerty12 | But diablo_armel calls me back, I need scummvm 0.12 with mpeg4 :P |
| 16:08.53 | Stskeeps | apt-get source hildon-desktop, and then dpkg-buildpackage -d -rfakeroot (non -d will be fixed eventually) |
| 16:08.56 | Stskeeps | hehe, o |
| 16:09.14 | qwerty12 | I can do the hildon desktop thing, before I return back |
| 16:09.21 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:09.34 | Stskeeps | just want to verify it actually works so i can have xmas in peace :P |
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| 16:10.17 | ShadowJK_ | what? |
| 16:10.23 | ShadowJK_ | what!? |
| 16:10.26 | ShadowJK_ | whips stskeeps |
| 16:10.36 | ShadowJK_ | you'll spend christmas coding, and you know it! :P |
| 16:11.15 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:11.31 | ShadowJK_ | I think it's a sign of old age really, when you no longer think of xmas as nice slot of empty time you can fill with hacking on stuff |
| 16:12.10 | Stskeeps | well. gfs parents are visiting as well |
| 16:12.14 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.40 | Stskeeps | god, i hate ports.ubuntu.com |
| 16:13.42 | Stskeeps | it's so dead slow |
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| 16:13.50 | Stskeeps | or the internet is just acting weird |
| 16:17.09 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, in /scratchbox/devkits/mer/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps, comment #use strict and you don't have to use -d flag |
| 16:17.15 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:17.17 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 16:17.48 | qwerty12 | You get some warning but deps are shown properly |
| 16:20.57 | Stskeeps | fixing |
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| 16:21.37 | andre___ | timeless, X-Fade, yes, "as it is supposed to". but it's against nokia's specs for modest ;-) but don't imply that i don't like the new behaviour... :) |
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| 16:28.51 | jakemaheu | morning all |
| 16:29.29 | jakemaheu | where does maemo xchat put logs? |
| 16:29.57 | qwerty12 | /home/user/.xchat - look around in there |
| 16:30.15 | jakemaheu | can it be changed? |
| 16:30.16 | andre___ | .xchat2 actually, but yeah |
| 16:31.11 | qwerty12 | if you recompile it; it seems |
| 16:31.24 | jakemaheu | damn |
| 16:31.41 | jakemaheu | that feature should be added |
| 16:31.49 | andre___ | don't think you can change - xchat.conf doesn't offer a value for this it seems |
| 16:31.58 | andre___ | complain to upstream xchat |
| 16:32.13 | jakemaheu | (I set my logger to log 90000 lines) |
| 16:32.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: upped dfix |
| 16:32.33 | Stskeeps | of the devkit |
| 16:32.54 | jakemaheu | would a symlink work? |
| 16:32.57 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, cool, I hope you don't mind if I don't download the devkit again as I've already fixed it myself :P |
| 16:33.09 | andre___ | jakemaheu, don't know, didn't write the software - try it. :) |
| 16:33.10 | Stskeeps | hehe, its fine |
| 16:34.39 | jakemaheu | makin breakfast |
| 16:35.57 | zakkm | jakemaheu: may i pm you? |
| 16:36.38 | jakemaheu | go ahead |
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| 16:53.53 | Stskeeps | ~curse ports.ubuntu.com |
| 16:53.53 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ports.ubuntu.com ! |
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| 16:54.18 | qwerty12 | works fine here |
| 16:54.28 | woglinde | hi |
| 16:54.30 | Stskeeps | i dunno wtf's with my uni connection |
| 16:54.33 | qwerty12 | if you were referring to that :) |
| 16:54.34 | qwerty12 | hi woglinde |
| 16:55.08 | woglinde | hm newest diablo is fine with wpa2 and eduroam |
| 16:55.18 | woglinde | needed only o import the cert |
| 16:55.24 | pupnik_ | Casio goes insane with 2-inch, 960 x 540 pixel LCD http://display-design-ideas.blogspot.com/2008/09/casio-goes-insane-with-2-inch-960-x-540.html |
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| 17:00.30 | jaska | i want that res scaled to 24" desktop panel :D |
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| 17:01.20 | t_s_o | and any kind of pixel based ui will look like a postage stamp on those displays... |
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| 17:01.48 | zakkm | omg |
| 17:01.51 | zakkm | such high reas |
| 17:01.53 | zakkm | res* |
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| 17:28.35 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 17:51.23 | Stskeeps | lo born2wonder |
| 17:51.32 | born2wonder | hi |
| 17:51.46 | born2wonder | ready to test here :-) |
| 17:51.50 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:51.59 | Stskeeps | i'm perfecting SDK :P |
| 17:52.17 | born2wonder | haha, dream coming closer and closer |
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| 17:53.45 | Stskeeps | well SDK works, scaringily |
| 17:53.48 | born2wonder | should i set up a scratchbox compiling environment? and if yes, are there some systematic redundent things that have to be done, that even a noob in compiling can take care of? |
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| 17:54.02 | Stskeeps | if you'd like to - you know how to install diablo SDK? |
| 17:54.18 | born2wonder | i can google it, im sure ill be able to |
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| 17:55.00 | born2wonder | yah, looks pretty simply using ubuntu |
| 17:55.30 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide is guide for mer SDK (for cross-compilation, not for xephyr and friends) |
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| 17:56.07 | born2wonder | i am on it, thnx |
| 17:56.19 | Stskeeps | you need diablo SDK first probably |
| 17:56.22 | Stskeeps | it adds some nice things |
| 17:56.49 | born2wonder | yah i will start with that as stated at the beginning of the instructions |
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| 18:05.20 | Stskeeps | 'lo b-man |
| 18:05.27 | b-man | hello |
| 18:05.52 | b-man | i'm having truble with zenity... |
| 18:06.28 | Stskeeps | hehe, like? |
| 18:07.16 | b-man | when i try to select a partition from a list, $? doesn't register it so i can't set a variable |
| 18:07.56 | Stskeeps | well it first registers when it returns, or it prints out the selection |
| 18:08.08 | Stskeeps | $? is between 0..255 so :P |
| 18:08.10 | b-man | prints it |
| 18:08.22 | b-man | e.g. mmcblk1p1 |
| 18:08.40 | Stskeeps | fine, then MMC=`zenity --whatever` |
| 18:08.44 | Stskeeps | then MMC has it |
| 18:09.16 | b-man | thanks, i'll try that |
| 18:11.13 | lcuk | drops an ACME safe on b-man |
| 18:11.34 | b-man | hehe |
| 18:12.37 | qwerty12 | http://www.shanzhaiji.cn/uploads/allimg/081219/17331443.jpg 0_o (from http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.shanzhaiji.cn/labs/20081219/6564.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&history_state0=) |
| 18:13.13 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 18:13.39 | qwerty12 | Looking at how much of maemo they've ripped off, I think I'll call that Mer instead :P |
| 18:13.49 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 18:14.06 | Stskeeps | except that isn't community based :P |
| 18:14.15 | Stskeeps | .. :P |
| 18:14.42 | qwerty12 | hehe, they've done a brilliant job. I'd rate them except for the fact that they've stole open source apps too and rebranded them :P |
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| 18:15.32 | Stskeeps | in honesty it's not directly difficult to get to that point |
| 18:15.36 | b-man | Sweet!!, no more zenity problems! :D *gets back to typing code* |
| 18:18.26 | Mousey | wow, too bad no hardware keyb |
| 18:18.48 | Stskeeps | it's managable :P |
| 18:19.44 | qwerty12 | Spoken like a true N800 user :P |
| 18:20.00 | lcuk | that chinese n805 looks wicked |
| 18:20.38 | qwerty12 | I like the look of the media player |
| 18:20.57 | Stskeeps | any youtube videos out? :P |
| 18:21.04 | Stskeeps | besides that, the same company got raided at cebit :P |
| 18:21.09 | Stskeeps | for patent violations |
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| 18:21.59 | lcuk | whats the best, simplest linux graphics library that should handle liqbase type stuff? |
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| 18:22.44 | Stskeeps | cairo? |
| 18:22.46 | lcuk | dont worry about maemo performance for now, if i was going to start a new project what would you recommend i use |
| 18:22.49 | lcuk | ok |
| 18:22.50 | X-Fade | lcuk: cairo / clutter? |
| 18:22.54 | lcuk | ill try it |
| 18:23.02 | lcuk | clutter looks nice, i was playing last night |
| 18:23.24 | b-man | clutter uses GL.. i think |
| 18:24.01 | lcuk | clutter has bindings for multiple toolkits, i cant decide yet whether it is because it reproduces the toolkit rendering in clutter, or because clutter sits inside those |
| 18:24.16 | lcuk | rendering in opengl ^ |
| 18:24.42 | lcuk | :) im gonna have some time over xmas to forge a path :) |
| 18:25.15 | X-Fade | lcuk: clutter over xv? :) |
| 18:25.40 | lcuk | well x-fade, i am personally in need of a decent core widget class and i have considered 2d clutter on 8x0 |
| 18:25.40 | Stskeeps | that'd be interesting though :P |
| 18:26.03 | lcuk | ie write once in clutter and build for 8x0/900 |
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| 18:27.48 | lcuk | oooh tea ready bbl, but x-fade it would be great to do that wouldnt it! |
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| 18:28.03 | X-Fade | lcuk: Oh hell yeah ;) |
| 18:31.49 | zakkm | that screenshot.. what was it of? |
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| 18:41.40 | lardman | thinks his mex file is not very well optimised - 1059.8s for MEX vs 52.61 for plain MATLAB |
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| 18:48.59 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 18:57.09 | Stskeeps | moo, RST38h |
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| 19:23.41 | Stskeeps | ponders how to deal with the x86 port of mer. |
| 19:23.46 | Stskeeps | sdk wise |
| 19:23.59 | Stskeeps | i mean, .. anyone sane would just use pbuilder or something |
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| 19:26.35 | Stskeeps | evening yerga |
| 19:26.58 | yerga | hi Stskeeps |
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| 19:27.06 | Stskeeps | evening Meiz_n810 as well |
| 19:27.21 | Meiz_n810 | evening |
| 19:29.00 | Meiz_n810 | johnx: tslib yet? :P |
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| 19:29.48 | Stskeeps | think he was looking after you earlier |
| 19:30.57 | Meiz_n810 | i'll try if it's fixed |
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| 19:38.10 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:38.19 | slonopotamus | i've got a crazy idea |
| 19:38.30 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 19:39.14 | lcuk | slonopotamus, those are illegal in certain countries |
| 19:39.24 | slonopotamus | i can compile gentoo from scratch on tablet |
| 19:39.30 | slonopotamus | lcuk, :) |
| 19:39.32 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:40.45 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes, that's reasonably insane |
| 19:40.52 | slonopotamus | crosscompiling sucks. existing oabi image sucks (i didn't find any evidence it can be transformed into eabi one) |
| 19:41.10 | t_s_o | seems its those cheap SD cards im using that causes the drain. removed them and im looking at maybe .5% in an hour... |
| 19:41.21 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hehe. need crazy ideas - just ask me ;) |
| 19:41.41 | lcuk | slonopotamus, i also strongly dislike cross compilation :) i build liqbase entirely on device |
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| 19:42.11 | slonopotamus | lcuk, i built cross image. something in it even works ;) |
| 19:42.37 | slonopotamus | lcuk, bash doesn't :( |
| 19:42.37 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: it isn't impossible but have you considered doing it in qemu arm instead? |
| 19:43.12 | slonopotamus | Stskeeks, that broken emulator? no, thanks. |
| 19:43.14 | lcuk | we need to stop looking at ways to get round on-device compilation and look at exotic overclocking methods to make ondevice feasible ;) |
| 19:43.25 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:43.36 | lcuk | *within our lifetimes anyway |
| 19:43.56 | slonopotamus | i don't understand why everyone is so scared with onn-device compilation |
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| 19:45.12 | lcuk | nor do i - the worst thing that really upsets me about modern devs is that nowadays we have 100x the power we used to have and still they find other more complicated ways |
| 19:45.23 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:45.23 | lcuk | i used to build everything on my 7.14mhz amiga |
| 19:45.31 | lcuk | and that was fast! |
| 19:45.38 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 19:45.58 | slonopotamus | are you from estonia/finland? ;) |
| 19:46.01 | aquatix | lcuk: sounds more like we have 1000x that nowadays :) |
| 19:46.03 | lcuk | no |
| 19:46.14 | slonopotamus | ;) just kidding |
| 19:46.16 | lcuk | blames it on codebloat |
| 19:46.29 | lcuk | and gcc |
| 19:46.32 | aquatix | yeah |
| 19:46.37 | aquatix | gcc isn't optimal indeed |
| 19:46.55 | aquatix | intel compiler seems to be a lot better, but of course not Free, nor free |
| 19:47.02 | lcuk | its the equivilent of liqbase vs a general graphics toolkit |
| 19:47.09 | aquatix | and non-cross-platform ;) |
| 19:47.16 | aquatix | heh, yeah |
| 19:47.23 | lcuk | that will be solved after xmas i hope |
| 19:47.26 | lcuk | crosses fingers |
| 19:47.39 | slonopotamus | hmm. intel? what intel? we're on arm |
| 19:47.57 | lcuk | have ti released an optimized free omap compiler toolchain? |
| 19:48.22 | aquatix | slonopotamus: ah, just stating the difference between certain compilers |
| 19:49.15 | lcuk | bsd uses pcc doesnt it |
| 19:49.19 | lcuk | because gcc is slow |
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| 19:50.29 | lcuk | slonopotamus, the only thing that riles me personally about the toolchain for omap currently is that i cant run "./configure" on device properly |
| 19:50.48 | slonopotamus | why? |
| 19:50.52 | slonopotamus | i can ;) |
| 19:51.31 | lcuk | you have fixed the nonsense, i mean without making drastic underlying system changes |
| 19:51.48 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 19:52.06 | slonopotamus | i just installed gnu packages to /usr/local |
| 19:52.23 | slonopotamus | grep, findutils, coreutils, etc |
| 19:52.57 | slonopotamus | i don't think this is 'drastic'. whatever that means. |
| 19:53.05 | lcuk | oooh, ty |
| 19:53.16 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:53.34 | lcuk | apt gave me all sorts of warnings when i tried general install, im not very technical wrt linux :) |
| 19:53.40 | slonopotamus | yep |
| 19:53.57 | slonopotamus | don't try to install core stuff ftom apt |
| 19:54.02 | lcuk | now i know theres a path ill find out more and follow it up when i have time |
| 19:54.05 | derf | I have to laugh at people who say gcc is slow. |
| 19:54.27 | derf | For most packages, ./configure takes longer than the actual compilation. |
| 19:54.28 | slonopotamus | maemo strongly depends on busybox |
| 19:54.49 | lcuk | derf, on a large fast system agreed, but on device where every cycle matters its a ballache |
| 19:55.07 | slonopotamus | but /usr/local is my place. and ssystem packages are not allowed to die if i hack in /usr/local |
| 19:55.20 | slonopotamus | and, actually, they don't |
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| 19:55.40 | slonopotamus | i didn't hit any trouble with this config |
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| 19:56.00 | lcuk | well ill try over xmas and see where i get to |
| 19:56.10 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | muhahaahaa |
| 19:56.20 | slonopotamus | omg |
| 19:56.22 | Stskeeps | Meiz_fn-wont-wor: mm? |
| 19:56.32 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | i just too scrshot about h-i-m in mer |
| 19:56.41 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:56.43 | Stskeeps | alright |
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| 19:57.04 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | tslib not fixed yet |
| 19:57.04 | Stskeeps | does it work? :P |
| 19:57.08 | Stskeeps | yeah.. |
| 19:57.16 | Stskeeps | upstream library so |
| 19:57.28 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | h-i-m works great |
| 19:57.37 | Stskeeps | i'm all up for seeing a screenshot |
| 19:58.13 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | it seems to come up with xchat only... not sure |
| 19:58.54 | slonopotamus | lcuk, debian has 'important' - packages, that must always be present and apps must not directly depend on them. simply install them byy hhand to /usr/local and all other packages will build using dpkg-buildpackage (maybe with some minor modifications) |
| 19:58.54 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | i'll scp the scrshot |
| 19:58.54 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:59.07 | slonopotamus | lcuk, this way appeared to be _more_ compatible with maemo than scratchbox. |
| 19:59.09 | lcuk | slono :) excellent hint, ty its noted and ill look properly. its bugged me for a while cos i know actual compilation works |
| 19:59.35 | slonopotamus | i mean with maemo on device |
| 19:59.51 | slonopotamus | because it is actually on device |
| 20:00.02 | slonopotamus | well... you get the point ;) |
| 20:00.34 | slonopotamus | maybe i should blog on that topic... there are some ugly things |
| 20:00.37 | lcuk | yeah the buildpackage i got to run in the past with extensive help from jott (we miss you!) |
| 20:00.58 | lcuk | but then i upgraded to diablo and lost the caps :'( |
| 20:01.04 | slonopotamus | heh |
| 20:01.26 | slonopotamus | i could help you, i think. |
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| 20:03.00 | lcuk | it will be a while till i build a package and im gonna suss out scratchbox first which has it all in |
| 20:03.12 | lcuk | and hopefully by the time i package anything again mer will be running ;) |
| 20:03.35 | lcuk | ty for offer though, no doubt ill ask random questions along the way |
| 20:04.00 | lcuk | but for now, its native default debian that i need to look at |
| 20:04.09 | lcuk | theres some clutter that needs sorting out :) |
| 20:04.19 | slonopotamus | actually i still can't understand why they chose busybox |
| 20:04.24 | lcuk | size |
| 20:04.41 | slonopotamus | hm |
| 20:04.51 | qwerty12_N800 | you can replace busybox stuff but it's a pita |
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| 20:04.57 | lcuk | 99% of folks wouldnt care |
| 20:05.18 | slonopotamus | lcuk, size? don't have money for 1gb sd? |
| 20:05.25 | qwerty12_N800 | hi rm_you |
| 20:05.33 | lcuk | now, yes, when it was started i doubt it |
| 20:05.38 | rm_you | hihi |
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| 20:05.42 | lcuk | i still use a 256mb stick that cost me tonnes |
| 20:05.56 | rm_you | heh |
| 20:06.02 | lcuk | hiya rm, |
| 20:06.03 | rm_you | 16gb costs like $30 now doesnt it? |
| 20:06.04 | rm_you | >_> |
| 20:06.08 | lcuk | NOW |
| 20:06.09 | rm_you | sup lcuk |
| 20:06.17 | rm_you | right, so buy one now :P |
| 20:06.38 | lcuk | you missed the start of the convo :P get back to cleaning the c-base floors |
| 20:06.44 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:06.57 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 20:07.27 | lcuk | mmmm ive got a port on my x41 that doesnt look right |
| 20:07.45 | lcuk | its like a usb but a bit smaller, but only appears to have 3 connectors |
| 20:08.00 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 20:08.10 | jakemaheu | firewire? |
| 20:08.15 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | phew... |
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| 20:08.22 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | uploaded |
| 20:08.26 | lcuk | reviews say 3 usb slots |
| 20:08.35 | lcuk | i can see 2 plus this odd one |
| 20:08.56 | Meiz_fn-wont-wor | Stskeeps: scr one |
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| 20:09.53 | lcuk | http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/4517.jpg |
| 20:10.18 | slonopotamus | configure: WARNING: `missing' script is too old or missing |
| 20:10.20 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 20:10.31 | slonopotamus | they broke my mind |
| 20:11.01 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/Screenshot-1.png |
| 20:11.14 | Stskeeps | (what meiz is talking about) |
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| 20:12.09 | slonopotamus | what's that? |
| 20:12.15 | Stskeeps | mer |
| 20:12.22 | Stskeeps | xchat + hildon input method |
| 20:12.31 | Stskeeps | plankton theme |
| 20:12.32 | slonopotamus | heh |
| 20:12.39 | slonopotamus | good progress? |
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| 20:12.49 | Stskeeps | could be better |
| 20:12.52 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 20:12.57 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i'll see if I can do a proper source package to xchat soon... |
| 20:13.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright |
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| 20:13.06 | rm_you | my power is out <_< |
| 20:13.19 | rm_you | getting internet via a small gas generator :P |
| 20:13.30 | rm_you | 16.5" of snow outside |
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| 20:13.37 | qwerty12_N800 | :O |
| 20:13.39 | slonopotamus | rm_you, so you're powerless. |
| 20:13.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: life should be easier with the new scratchbox at least |
| 20:13.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yeah :P |
| 20:13.59 | rm_you | heh |
| 20:14.54 | Stskeeps | i'm really wondering how to get a sane i386 sdk |
| 20:15.43 | Stskeeps | it will either involve building ubuntu's gcc/libc for scratchbox, or not have a sb-integrated one:P |
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| 20:16.16 | slonopotamus | wonders when these guys will underrstand they don't need 'sdk' |
| 20:16.22 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well. |
| 20:16.27 | slonopotamus | ;) |
| 20:16.39 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: after compiling gtk for over a day on native arm, i decided it goes faster with sdk |
| 20:16.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:17.01 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 20:17.14 | slonopotamus | how much does your desktop cost? |
| 20:17.23 | lcuk | easy solution there: underclock your desktop cpu until it feels faster on device |
| 20:17.34 | slonopotamus | ;D |
| 20:17.38 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: server at work, don't have a desktop |
| 20:17.51 | slonopotamus | oh my |
| 20:17.59 | Stskeeps | well, at home :P |
| 20:18.03 | slonopotamus | you work on server? |
| 20:18.08 | Stskeeps | ssh? :P |
| 20:18.17 | slonopotamus | with?root privileges, i guess ;) |
| 20:18.24 | Stskeeps | yeah, obviously |
| 20:18.34 | Stskeeps | and normal user |
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| 20:22.57 | lcuk | native linux with touch/pen is annoying. the cursor gets in the way |
| 20:23.11 | Vulcanis | custom cursor that is just a dot? |
| 20:23.25 | lcuk | yeah thats for later (or non at all) |
| 20:23.30 | lcuk | im just playing in gimp atm |
| 20:23.39 | Vulcanis | I kinda like the cursor that looks like an o |
| 20:23.57 | lcuk | i dont like any, theres a certain amount of lag with it |
| 20:24.01 | qwerty12_N800 | has a thing for the middle finger cursor |
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| 20:24.31 | jpt9 | Hey |
| 20:24.44 | jpt9 | Anyone know a good cheap Bluetooth keyboard to use with my 770? |
| 20:24.52 | lcuk | apple |
| 20:25.00 | lcuk | oh, you said cheapo |
| 20:25.02 | lcuk | -o |
| 20:25.21 | jpt9 | At one point (IIRC), Apple's was actually one of the cheapest I could find! |
| 20:25.28 | Vulcanis | I use the uh... |
| 20:25.29 | Vulcanis | one sec |
| 20:25.41 | Vulcanis | it was like iThink or something. some random brand |
| 20:25.47 | jpt9 | I don't get why someone doesn't just take a cheap (~$20) keyboard, and make a $10 more expensive model with Bluetooth... |
| 20:26.24 | Vulcanis | well |
| 20:26.24 | lcuk | because if you did that you would piss your way through batteries |
| 20:26.33 | jpt9 | good point. |
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| 20:32.08 | Stskeeps | wb b-man |
| 20:32.46 | b-man | hi |
| 20:32.54 | Stskeeps | how's the zenity problems? |
| 20:33.11 | b-man | it's gone :D |
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| 20:33.35 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 20:33.57 | b-man | i'm allmost done re-writing the installer too. :D |
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| 20:34.25 | b-man | so far, no errors :) |
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| 20:52.41 | RST38h | rm_me |
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| 21:09.41 | rm_you| | back on city power :P |
| 21:10.04 | Stskeeps | hehhe |
| 21:10.07 | rm_you| | RST38h: don't do it! there are plenty of reasons to live! |
| 21:19.03 | RST38h | does it with passion |
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| 21:28.28 | lcuk | ive opened an ssh terminal session to my other machine, but it cant run opengl applications, i gather this is because my screen is in the wrong place, does anyone know how i point it correctly? (not programmatical, i think its a shell env var?) |
| 21:28.57 | Stskeeps | lcuk: GL doesn't go well over ssh :P |
| 21:29.14 | Stskeeps | as it needs direct rendering |
| 21:29.31 | lcuk | i know that, i am running commands from keyboard on one machine but using the tablet in tablet mode |
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| 21:30.09 | Stskeeps | export DISPLAY=something possibly |
| 21:30.15 | Stskeeps | and xhost something |
| 21:30.18 | lcuk | sounds right |
| 21:30.38 | lcuk | i just tried "set screen=" but your suggestion sounds more official ;) |
| 21:30.46 | lcuk | kot once shown me but i havent needed it since :P |
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| 21:32.48 | lcuk | \o/ ssh root@10.0.0.2 "export DISPLAY=:0.0; cd /usr/bin/liq; ./liqbase" |
| 21:32.57 | lcuk | thanks Stskeeps your mojo helped me find it |
| 21:33.10 | lcuk | (that was from my ancient buildscript |
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| 21:38.05 | RST38h | lcuk: GL probably won't work over remote connection |
| 21:38.22 | RST38h | It relies on the 3D hardware being locally available |
| 21:38.23 | lcuk | i know that, im not trying to make it work remotely |
| 21:38.31 | lcuk | it works now as i expect |
| 21:38.39 | lcuk | i have console on one machine and scp session |
| 21:38.43 | lcuk | i can edit files here |
| 21:39.03 | lcuk | the console is pointing to the other machine where the docs are stored and compiler and binaries should run |
| 21:39.14 | lcuk | the binary runs on other touchscreen device and i play |
| 21:39.36 | lcuk | i ctrl c on the first machine and it all stops :) |
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| 21:39.56 | lcuk | code stays on screen here whilst im running :) its ever so efficient |
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| 21:40.41 | lcuk | i think clutter will do the job for me :) |
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| 21:42.54 | rm_you | hrm |
| 21:43.04 | rm_you | i still havent gotten a chance toplay with clutter |
| 21:43.12 | rm_you | i have a tabletPC, so i really should try |
| 21:43.21 | lcuk | i got a tabletpc yesterday to do some testing over xmas |
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| 22:05.02 | jakemaheu | how do you pipe results from grep to umount? |
| 22:05.18 | StsN800 | xargs prolly |
| 22:05.40 | jakemaheu | i've got: mount|grep -e media| |
| 22:06.26 | jakemaheu | i need to put grep results into umount to automatically unmount a device for partitioning |
| 22:06.39 | StsN800 | qwerty12_N800, how difficult is it to disable kernel flash (initfs ok) in mar |
| 22:06.44 | StsN800 | maemo? |
| 22:07.19 | RST38h | better pipe 'em to mkfs! |
| 22:07.38 | Grackle | jakemaheu, yeah, xargs |
| 22:09.11 | timelE61i | Sts: mer? (mar?) |
| 22:09.33 | StsN800 | timelE61i, blame h-i-m |
| 22:09.43 | StsN800 | ment maemo |
| 22:09.49 | RST38h | la mer! |
| 22:10.58 | StsN800 | mm |
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| 22:32.21 | andre___ | anybody got a minute and can start MicroB in 5.2008.43-7, go to ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/ , tap&hold on "LATEST.xml" and click "Save Target as"? |
| 22:32.35 | andre___ | for me it crashes, but i'd love to have a confirmation |
| 22:33.34 | oli | is it possible to check n800's current power consumption (in mA) |
| 22:35.24 | oli | in software way, without connecting between battery and device ;p |
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| 22:36.37 | lcuk | andre___, where again |
| 22:37.07 | andre___ | lcuk, ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/ |
| 22:37.25 | andre___ | tap&hold on "LATEST.xml" (or any other file) and choose "Save Target as" from the context menu |
| 22:38.16 | lcuk | confirmed crash, left clicking opens it correctly however (cos my screen is dodgy it prefers not to allow me to tap and hold |
| 22:38.29 | lcuk | tap, hold, save as == crash |
| 22:38.37 | andre___ | cool. thanks a lot! |
| 22:38.55 | timelE61i | :( |
| 22:38.55 | lcuk | np, well you have a problem |
| 22:39.02 | timelE61i | Clearly not tested |
| 22:39.06 | lcuk | heh :P |
| 22:39.28 | lcuk | you can't click on every single link in the whole wide internet just fora point release :P |
| 22:39.29 | andre___ | i don't have a problem, only work :) |
| 22:39.38 | andre___ | and bug 3954 for this |
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| 22:41.29 | timelE61i | lcuk: i didn't touch that release |
| 22:41.37 | timelE61i | I'm not even sure who did |
| 22:42.25 | lcuk | heh timelE61i :) thats why quality has gone downhill ;) you wouldv actually stress tested every single link on the net multiple times (to check it wasnt a fluke) |
| 22:42.57 | lcuk | clutter is an evil temptress |
| 22:43.07 | timelE61i | lcuk: have you read about chrome? |
| 22:43.40 | lcuk | no, im staying away from browsers in general for now :) |
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| 22:44.27 | timelE61i | s'ok, but they basically test a large portion of the web w/ each change |
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| 22:45.18 | lcuk | cool! well i suppose it is google |
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| 23:34.03 | lardman | how does one do dialogs in GTK+/Hildon? |
| 23:34.15 | lardman | i.e. not appearing in the task bar, all that stuff? |
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| 23:37.32 | lardman | ah... gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons |
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