| 00:00.18 | lardman | ah sorry, my fault, that's the previous filter, let me try again |
| 00:01.19 | lardman | ssvb: which of T1/T2 were you saying you thought could go 16bit? both? |
| 00:01.55 | lardman | t1 won't be any larger than the input, which is 16 bit, so that's ok |
| 00:02.12 | lardman | ah, but then the mac |
| 00:05.09 | lcuk | mmmm shell question: if i have a script and i want it to change the current directory when it leaves the script how do i do it? |
| 00:06.05 | lcuk | ive tried with just a cd xyz line in the script itself but when the script terminates the actual path remains the same |
| 00:06.16 | lardman | ssvb: ok, sounds ok with everything 16bit |
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| 00:07.32 | lcuk | lardman, audio is very subjective ;) you need to start with double blind tests |
| 00:07.44 | ssvb | lardman: t1 should be 32-bit (or 40-bit) because it is used as accumulator, t2 can be 16-bit because it contains scaled down values that should fit it |
| 00:08.18 | ssvb | lcuk: there are also objective tests which can detect obvious problems |
| 00:08.26 | lardman | ooh, some artifacts though |
| 00:08.42 | lardman | I'll change t1 back to 32bit and see |
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| 00:08.59 | ssvb | t1 *must* be 32-bit at least |
| 00:09.10 | lcuk | oh yeah ssvb, but we know lardman is a perfectionist ;) |
| 00:09.10 | zakkm | anyone here been sucessful in installing nitdroid on n800? |
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| 00:09.59 | lardman | ok, with 32bit t1 I still get occasional artifacts |
| 00:10.16 | ssvb | lardman: it does not have effect on the use of 16-bit multiplication instructions as it is only used as destination operand |
| 00:10.16 | lardman | I'm passing my output as 16bit |
| 00:10.28 | lardman | yep |
| 00:10.54 | lardman | ah, I've also changed the intermediate sample buffers to 16bit, I suppose they should be 32bit too? |
| 00:11.06 | ssvb | which ones? |
| 00:11.16 | lardman | sbc_frame->sb_sample_f |
| 00:11.39 | ssvb | these should be 32-bit too |
| 00:12.05 | lardman | it actually doesn't sound bad with them 16bit; with some overflow prevention it might be ok |
| 00:12.06 | ssvb | because they don't always fit 16 bit |
| 00:12.10 | StsN800 | zakkm, re 900mhz it will run mer;) |
| 00:12.57 | ssvb | lardman: but you don't gain anything from converting them to 16 bit |
| 00:13.45 | ssvb | on the quantizing stage, it is multiplied by a value that also does not always fit 16-bit |
| 00:13.47 | lardman | no, that's ok |
| 00:14.23 | zakkm | StsN800: i was referring to making a server for mer development |
| 00:14.36 | zakkm | StsN800: my brother handed me a "throwout" 933mhz p3 the other day |
| 00:15.03 | zakkm | well yesterday. |
| 00:15.24 | lardman | ssvb: but the encoder state X is ok as 16bit? |
| 00:15.26 | zakkm | has a 10gb harddrive but i could network share as much space as you want with it |
| 00:15.42 | ssvb | lardman: doing saturation will distort sound, sb_sample_f are expected not to always fit 16-bit and if you cut them off, you will get worse audio quality |
| 00:15.54 | ssvb | lardman: X are perfectly fine as 16 bit |
| 00:15.55 | lardman | yep, fine |
| 00:15.58 | lardman | cool |
| 00:16.05 | StsN800 | zakkm, mm - we kinda hope to get needs covered by maemo.org, - but we will prolly need people testing/playing with mer/x86 |
| 00:16.27 | zakkm | oh |
| 00:16.42 | zakkm | some other purpose then? other than mer? i just thought that was the big project now so i mentioned it |
| 00:16.49 | zakkm | id love to test mer xd |
| 00:17.31 | StsN800 | soon people will be able to:P |
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| 00:19.17 | StsN800 | zakkm, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC00007.JPG |
| 00:19.37 | StsN800 | mer x86 on tv out;) |
| 00:20.11 | ssvb | lardman: I also remember that there must be some trick used to utilize dual multiplier |
| 00:20.22 | ssvb | lardman: like all the operands in DARAM |
| 00:21.22 | zakkm | StsN800: is mer more minimalistic than maemo? |
| 00:21.22 | lardman | yeah, but on different pages preferably |
| 00:21.26 | zakkm | in the ram usage sense? |
| 00:21.28 | born2wonder | stsN800, i can do some basic testing for mer x86 |
| 00:22.05 | StsN800 | zakkm, i think maemo is more minimalistic |
| 00:22.46 | StsN800 | born2wonder, hehe, alright. will keep in mind |
| 00:22.46 | zakkm | stsN800: did you try nitdroid on the n800? |
| 00:23.15 | StsN800 | zakkm, helped a bit with advice, other than |
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| 00:23.30 | lardman | ssvb: so the tables do repeat, so there's scope for dual MAC |
| 00:23.41 | StsN800 | that im not terribly interested |
| 00:24.00 | johnx | StsN800, mind if I disconnect the zaurus? |
| 00:24.00 | GAN8001 | doesn't get the appeal. |
| 00:24.11 | GAN8001 | Though, admittedly, I don't get the appeal of a lot of things. :P |
| 00:24.13 | StsN800 | johnx, go ahead |
| 00:24.17 | zakkm | am i suppose to chmod +x flasher-3.0? |
| 00:24.48 | ssvb | lardman: spru376 has some guidelines about 'Efficient Use of MAC hardware' |
| 00:24.49 | GAN8001 | zakkm, if you're planning on executing it. . . . |
| 00:24.56 | zakkm | k |
| 00:25.13 | zakkm | i just keep screwing up nitdroid install.. so i thought that was to blame -.- |
| 00:25.17 | StsN800 | johnx, fucky short->int conversions happen on 770 too |
| 00:25.30 | GAN8001 | "fucky" |
| 00:25.33 | GAN8001 | ehehe |
| 00:25.35 | lardman | ssvb: yeah, I'm reading the bit about if branching atm |
| 00:25.38 | zakkm | odd i know but i cant figure out what i keep doing wrong |
| 00:26.05 | lardman | ssvb: I'll have a look at arranging the coefficients to enable some dual mac tomorrow |
| 00:26.33 | StsN800 | GAN800, it puts the result in previous memory cell and puts garbage in the next 3.. |
| 00:26.41 | lardman | bed now though, night all |
| 00:27.14 | StsN800 | so, fucky is a good term:p |
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| 00:28.55 | StsN800 | johnx, now that i've given your zaurus new purpose, will you fix tslib&omapfb? ;) |
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| 00:34.18 | born2wonder | long live the zaurus ;-) |
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| 00:36.56 | zakkm | how much is the zaurus? |
| 00:37.19 | born2wonder | depends on model and source |
| 00:37.28 | zakkm | average |
| 00:37.42 | zakkm | one that would be decent |
| 00:37.45 | born2wonder | i got a c1000 that cost about 400 a while back |
| 00:37.51 | zakkm | http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/voloch/Hall/zaurus4.jpg |
| 00:37.52 | zakkm | like that one |
| 00:39.19 | born2wonder | i would recommend the 3100 or 3200 as they have an extra internal microdrive than can be replaced with a CF card |
| 00:40.16 | born2wonder | then u'll have the sd and external compact flash available for wifi/storage/dualboot expansions |
| 00:41.18 | StsN800 | bbl sleep |
| 00:41.22 | dick-richardson | is there any reason to run in red-pill mode? |
| 00:41.27 | dick-richardson | ...anymore |
| 00:42.27 | born2wonder | was needed for root but not needed anymore for the avg end user AFAIK, not sure though |
| 00:42.43 | born2wonder | regarding red pill mode |
| 00:42.54 | dick-richardson | that's what I've kinda seen...I got root, etc. w/o it |
| 00:43.09 | dick-richardson | ssu updates don't require it, do they? |
| 00:43.19 | born2wonder | never enabled it myself as i went for debian as soon as i got my nit |
| 00:43.24 | born2wonder | no they dont |
| 00:43.49 | born2wonder | deblet to be exact |
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| 00:44.21 | born2wonder | apt-get on mobile devices is just awesome |
| 00:45.02 | dick-richardson | yes...makes more sense than these app stores that keep coming out..ie Palm, Android, iPhone, etc. |
| 00:45.33 | dick-richardson | of course, it doesn't have a real business model for pay-for software...but you can sell .deb's I guess |
| 00:48.55 | born2wonder | not tryin to start a flame war but i sold my 16g iphone to my sister so as to buy the n810 .debian based devices are way more interesting to me than a few good games |
| 00:48.58 | zakkm | anyone how how to fix the reboot loop on nitdroid? |
| 00:49.37 | Vulcanis | is deblet fastish now? |
| 00:50.58 | born2wonder | i run deblet with nit-env-gnome and my own customizations. it exceeded my expectations in speed and useability |
| 00:51.46 | born2wonder | maybe ive just been using debian on my zaurus for too long ;-) |
| 00:53.18 | born2wonder | in gnome, a few tweaks such as replacing nautilus with pcmanfm can help greatly. also some customizations to make it more touch friendly are very easy to adjust for noobs |
| 00:54.04 | dick-richardson | how do you set up a socks proxy on a connection? |
| 00:54.43 | born2wonder | google is ur best friend there |
| 00:54.47 | dick-richardson | kk |
| 00:54.53 | dick-richardson | got a search going as well |
| 00:55.25 | dick-richardson | I've been using squid...wasn't sure if there was something (other than ssh) to run on the server |
| 00:55.37 | born2wonder | i am sure some1 more knowledgable than me has explained it thoroughly |
| 00:56.26 | born2wonder | not much experience in that field |
| 01:00.12 | born2wonder | question; will mer include the debian auto-complete bash scripts ? |
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| 01:01.21 | zakkm | why cant i pm ppl on itt forum? |
| 01:01.31 | LinuxCode | you are barred |
| 01:01.34 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 01:01.38 | LinuxCode | j/k |
| 01:01.43 | zakkm | not allowed? |
| 01:01.52 | LinuxCode | will maemo get flash 10 ? |
| 01:01.58 | LinuxCode | or was that in todays update ? |
| 01:02.11 | LinuxCode | zakkm, i was pulling your leg mate |
| 01:02.15 | LinuxCode | dont kknow |
| 01:02.23 | zakkm | LinuxCode: you try nitdroid? |
| 01:02.27 | zakkm | for some reason it works for everyone but me -.- |
| 01:02.29 | LinuxCode | no sir |
| 01:03.58 | born2wonder | zakkm , try to start fresh with diablo and a formatted card in the instructions, where r u getting stuck. i didnt install niitdroid but tried it on my zaurus in its early days |
| 01:04.18 | born2wonder | android that is.. |
| 01:04.35 | zakkm | im not getting stuck |
| 01:04.41 | zakkm | i followed it fine.. its just not working lol |
| 01:04.53 | zakkm | i get the robot for like few min.. it reboots.. robot |
| 01:04.56 | zakkm | it doesnt get past bootsplash. |
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| 01:05.01 | GAN8001 | LinuxCode, ha. |
| 01:05.07 | GAN8001 | Maybe for Fremantle. . . . |
| 01:05.24 | zakkm | born2wonder: its the older diablo.. and i formatted my card just recently in gparted |
| 01:06.11 | born2wonder | i think u have to update to the latest diablo but not sure for n800, did u try with latest diablo |
| 01:06.35 | zakkm | no but i dont see how that will help? cause i install the nitdroid kernel.. and use a new SD card. |
| 01:06.43 | zakkm | i dont see how maemo gets affected/involved? |
| 01:07.02 | zakkm | but people had it working fine, before the new recent update. |
| 01:07.44 | born2wonder | oh ok, let me do some quick searching |
| 01:08.02 | zakkm | born2wonder: thank you |
| 01:12.59 | zakkm | ill be back in a few minutes |
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| 01:17.00 | born2wonder | r u sure u flashed ur kernel with R&D mode enabled using linux. that seems to cause the reboot loop issue. check the nitdroid topic on itt , the last couple of pages for the commands |
| 01:17.12 | born2wonder | zakkm |
| 01:17.20 | zakkm | yes sorry, hhad to boot into mac |
| 01:17.30 | born2wonder | np |
| 01:17.33 | zakkm | yes i did.. and that causes a different reboot loop |
| 01:17.44 | zakkm | that, android boots.. but it reboots after 5 min or so |
| 01:17.49 | zakkm | this .. android doesnt fully boot at all |
| 01:18.16 | born2wonder | umm, did u try using a different card just for good measure |
| 01:18.18 | zakkm | i did check the topic.. i read every single page.. tried it in the past but theres been a new update in the nitdroid project that adds good n800 support |
| 01:18.25 | zakkm | and since then.. many ppl supposely got it working on the n800 |
| 01:18.31 | zakkm | so i thought id try again. but no luck |
| 01:18.34 | zakkm | yes |
| 01:18.39 | zakkm | ive tried 2 4gb's sdhc's |
| 01:19.20 | born2wonder | maybe ur rootfs is corrupt |
| 01:19.35 | zakkm | ? |
| 01:19.37 | zakkm | i extracted it twice |
| 01:19.42 | born2wonder | check if there is a md5 for it or just redoownload it |
| 01:19.44 | zakkm | and did all sorts |
| 01:19.46 | zakkm | i did |
| 01:19.55 | zakkm | 3 times downloaded |
| 01:20.00 | zakkm | on a knoppix livecd |
| 01:20.07 | zakkm | and one time on mac osx |
| 01:20.44 | born2wonder | ok, let me check smth |
| 01:23.41 | born2wonder | did u try penguinbait and qwerty's android |
| 01:31.57 | born2wonder | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:35.50 | LinuxCode | night all |
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| 02:13.44 | zakkm | burn2wonder: sorry, and no i havent |
| 02:13.50 | zakkm | born2wonder: its not quite the same though |
| 02:16.22 | born2wonder | well i c but seems like there is a diablo kernel for n800 for it, might be worth a try as its a very simple solution, 3 debs or so |
| 02:20.21 | born2wonder | at the end of the posts for that android topic, it seems that u have to have latest diablo for it. |
| 02:23.00 | born2wonder | furthermore did u confirm with pycage or others onn the forum who got the droid on their n800 about method and versions of files/os |
| 02:25.54 | zakkm | born2wonder: i cant pm on the forum |
| 02:25.58 | zakkm | i made the last post though |
| 02:26.22 | zakkm | born2wonder: thats for like really olddddd android.. and it doesnt have touchscreen or anything worthwhile |
| 02:31.24 | born2wonder | i c, but i thought qwerty got touchscreen working but manybe not for n800 for |
| 02:33.05 | born2wonder | did u use the latest kernel and userspace , 3days ago |
| 02:33.32 | born2wonder | and add --enable-rd-mode |
| 02:33.39 | born2wonder | to flasher |
| 02:35.39 | zakkm | yes |
| 02:35.45 | zakkm | born2wonder: yes |
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| 02:41.11 | disco_stu | hi zakkm |
| 02:41.20 | zakkm | hi |
| 02:41.29 | zakkm | burn2wonder: sorry, had to logout |
| 02:42.03 | born2wonder | np |
| 02:43.11 | born2wonder | someone mentioned something about disabling double frame buffering so userspace doesnt crash, might be already fixed though |
| 02:44.14 | born2wonder | try redoing the whole thing starting by redownloading ur kernel |
| 02:45.06 | born2wonder | i know its tedious but it seems to work for everybody. |
| 02:45.45 | disco_stu | zakkm, did you get the latest ssu? |
| 02:45.51 | zakkm | no |
| 02:45.52 | zakkm | should i of? |
| 02:46.06 | zakkm | redownloading my kernel? |
| 02:46.12 | zakkm | born2wonder: i just tried it several times today |
| 02:47.02 | disco_stu | zakkm, get the last ssu, speed improvements are huge |
| 02:47.07 | zakkm | really? |
| 02:47.10 | zakkm | i heard it wasnt significant |
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| 02:47.32 | disco_stu | yes, X server optimizations |
| 02:48.04 | zakkm | really? sweet |
| 02:48.06 | zakkm | maybe i should then |
| 02:48.18 | zakkm | in % .. how good you think? |
| 02:48.49 | disco_stu | you will lose rotation support for now, and you´ll have to set bootmenu again |
| 02:49.15 | born2wonder | i will install android soon and then might be able better to help u |
| 02:49.26 | zakkm | disco_stu: should i reflash.. or just update |
| 02:49.33 | disco_stu | dont know.. but is really nice |
| 02:49.36 | zakkm | born2wonder: you have n800 ? |
| 02:49.59 | disco_stu | just update fron app. manager |
| 02:50.19 | disco_stu | s/fron/from/ |
| 02:50.34 | zakkm | ok thanks :) |
| 02:51.57 | zakkm | 19mb only ;o |
| 02:52.15 | disco_stu | yeah :) |
| 02:52.36 | zakkm | i have 120kb/s internet.. so thats gonna take awhile ;p |
| 02:54.01 | born2wonder | no n810 |
| 02:54.37 | born2wonder | i would reflash to start fresh since ur facing unique problems |
| 02:55.07 | born2wonder | but as mentioned , update is though manager |
| 02:55.54 | zakkm | yeah im doing update |
| 02:55.56 | zakkm | thanks |
| 02:56.04 | disco_stu | wow. zakkm why do you have such an slow connection? live away from town? |
| 02:56.13 | zakkm | ... i live in Toronto , Canada |
| 02:56.14 | zakkm | lol |
| 02:56.26 | zakkm | 1/4-1/5 of canada lives in the same city ;p |
| 02:56.32 | zakkm | just have no money.. so buy cheap internet |
| 02:56.42 | zakkm | i dont download that much |
| 02:57.11 | disco_stu | i live in an small town of argentina and i have 2mb symmetric |
| 02:57.29 | disco_stu | for a few dollars |
| 02:57.50 | zakkm | ? |
| 02:58.02 | zakkm | 120kbyte/s .. not kbit |
| 02:58.30 | disco_stu | lol |
| 02:58.43 | disco_stu | its ok then |
| 02:59.13 | zakkm | its okay |
| 02:59.20 | zakkm | i used to have 1mbyte/s .. and it didnt help too much |
| 03:00.34 | born2wonder | very cheap internet providor in canada is acanac.ca |
| 03:01.18 | zakkm | thats pretty cheap |
| 03:01.34 | born2wonder | less than 20 bucks including tazes plue 6mbps and 100 gb og online storage with unlimited bandwidth |
| 03:02.17 | disco_stu | static public ip? |
| 03:02.27 | born2wonder | ideal if u want to overcome the throttling done by bell by ssh tunneling ur torrents throught that |
| 03:02.42 | born2wonder | static ips are 30 bucks |
| 03:03.03 | born2wonder | there is a catch |
| 03:03.08 | disco_stu | nice |
| 03:03.10 | zakkm | the residental adsl? |
| 03:03.22 | born2wonder | u have to pay for the whole year upfront |
| 03:03.32 | disco_stu | wow |
| 03:03.37 | zakkm | oh cant do that |
| 03:03.39 | zakkm | im with rogers |
| 03:03.44 | zakkm | im only 17.. my parents pay the bills ;p |
| 03:04.16 | disco_stu | zakkm, you keep stealing wifi to the neighbour? |
| 03:04.55 | zakkm | used to, they kept wifi off for ages now |
| 03:04.56 | born2wonder | well 234 for a whole years unlimited internet is worth it , plus the fringe benefits mentioned |
| 03:05.54 | disco_stu | thinks born2wonder works for acanac |
| 03:05.58 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:06.17 | born2wonder | be carefull as i some ppl leave their wifi open so as to gain info on connected users using sniffing tools and such |
| 03:06.19 | born2wonder | lol |
| 03:06.35 | disco_stu | yeah i do that |
| 03:06.56 | zakkm | lol |
| 03:06.58 | zakkm | its okay |
| 03:07.03 | zakkm | they arent that smart around here ;p |
| 03:07.21 | born2wonder | lol |
| 03:07.39 | disco_stu | have two wlans and i dump all the traffic from one |
| 03:07.52 | disco_stu | :) |
| 03:08.26 | zakkm | some also connect to open wifis |
| 03:08.28 | zakkm | to sniff them ;p |
| 03:08.45 | disco_stu | i do that too |
| 03:08.52 | disco_stu | :) |
| 03:08.58 | zakkm | what you use? |
| 03:09.17 | disco_stu | mostly tcpdump |
| 03:09.20 | born2wonder | well that gives u their plain passwords such as pop3, telnet,rdp (assuming no ssh tunneling) but mitm attacks for ssl sites are to be watched for |
| 03:09.28 | disco_stu | but ettercap too |
| 03:10.21 | disco_stu | ppl im going to study for a while. see you tomorrow |
| 03:10.36 | born2wonder | ettercap is the easiest with amazing filters and options |
| 03:11.00 | zakkm | wanna teach me how to use ettercap? :) |
| 03:11.13 | disco_stu | zakkm, install it |
| 03:11.15 | born2wonder | dont sniff networks u dont own though, u never know whose on the other side, plus its illegal |
| 03:11.25 | disco_stu | its very intuitive |
| 03:11.34 | zakkm | i did ages ago, its deleted now |
| 03:11.37 | zakkm | i didnt get it too much |
| 03:12.03 | disco_stu | well i can show you how to use |
| 03:12.07 | born2wonder | a google search will give u what u need |
| 03:12.22 | disco_stu | but maybe tomorrow, im leaving now |
| 03:12.28 | born2wonder | google ettercap tutorial |
| 03:12.31 | disco_stu | bye bye |
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| 03:13.26 | zakkm | byee |
| 03:14.04 | born2wonder | but u have to understand that this might bottleneck the network as traffic is directed through u when creating ssl-certs on the fly with ettercap, an admin can detect this and act accordingly |
| 03:14.36 | zakkm | act accordingly? |
| 03:15.21 | born2wonder | so its not an experimentation tool to try at school or the likes, |
| 03:15.57 | zakkm | my school isnt smart enough ;p |
| 03:16.04 | born2wonder | well , admins can ban macaddresses or certain accounts |
| 03:16.25 | zakkm | but untraceable to you? |
| 03:16.37 | born2wonder | well u have been warned and this is highly illegal |
| 03:16.51 | zakkm | im aware of its legality |
| 03:17.56 | born2wonder | well for a mac address, a simple macchanger -m device name will set ur device to a random man, also ur hostname can be seen |
| 03:18.22 | zakkm | you can easily change your mac address? |
| 03:18.39 | born2wonder | yes |
| 03:18.42 | zakkm | cool :) |
| 03:18.54 | zakkm | i found ettercap for nokia.. several weeks ago |
| 03:20.10 | born2wonder | the plain passwords work fine on it, but had problems with forwarding packets on it when using iptables to route the data using the ettercap conf |
| 03:20.29 | zakkm | plain passwords? |
| 03:20.33 | born2wonder | didnt try it again on maemo |
| 03:20.33 | zakkm | why are they ever used lol |
| 03:21.05 | born2wonder | since some protocols still use them like ftp rdp pop3 , |
| 03:22.31 | born2wonder | if u are interested in this kind of thing u should go the backtrack3 forums and start reading... .... alot of guides and info |
| 03:24.41 | born2wonder | but i have friends who got caught in university doing a mitm arp poisining attack. most schools allow u on their network only after some sort of authorization that will be able to distinguish u , by username for example |
| 03:24.56 | zakkm | i remember backtrace |
| 03:24.58 | zakkm | never used it though |
| 03:25.07 | zakkm | nah, |
| 03:25.14 | zakkm | my school just has password'd but everyone knows it |
| 03:26.51 | born2wonder | in that case, that part isnot a problem but still, u should have complete understanding of what ur doing before u use these tools |
| 03:28.13 | born2wonder | and i advise u against tryin it at school. a home test will be much more fruitful as u can tweak it and check its working properly .. |
| 03:28.28 | zakkm | oh ill test at home first of course |
| 03:30.49 | born2wonder | dont say i didnt warn u |
| 03:32.35 | born2wonder | is away: I'm busy |
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| 03:48.28 | redcomet | anyone online who has gotten sbrsh working between scratchbox and 810? |
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| 03:57.31 | redcomet | nevermind, problem was with sanbox setting |
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| 05:13.43 | twilightNoir | Quick question |
| 05:14.08 | twilightNoir | Is there an irssi for OS 2008? |
| 05:16.37 | `0660 | there is ssh+screen |
| 05:17.12 | `0660 | in the other hand, none of the current terminals let you open hyperlinks without frustration |
| 05:17.49 | twilightNoir | >.< |
| 05:19.06 | zakkm | ;p |
| 05:19.12 | zakkm | there is irssi |
| 05:19.13 | zakkm | just apt-get it |
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| 05:43.01 | spencer_ | can someoone help me?? in sb2, i can't seem to use configure script... the perl is always saying missing XML::parser but libxml* are all installed. |
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| 06:05.07 | tchan | XML::Parser is a perl CPAN module. It has nothing to do with libxml libraries. |
| 06:05.43 | tchan | You need to figure out how to get your perl to install a CPAN module |
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| 06:29.28 | pupnik | installing that stuff in sb was a pita |
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| 07:04.02 | vincenzo | Hello ;) |
| 07:05.06 | johnx | hi |
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| 08:02.38 | DamagE_425 | heyo! |
| 08:03.03 | johnx | hiho! |
| 08:03.49 | DamagE_425 | is this a new reality 2 have kde in my pocket device? o.O |
| 08:04.22 | johnx | eh, just think of it as a small laptop :P |
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| 08:05.15 | DamagE_425 | and what about all that kul apps? they're ready 2 install? |
| 08:05.58 | johnx | all the kde apps? well, it's a little more complicated in some ways |
| 08:06.57 | DamagE_425 | but i wanna install kde by myself and found only deb files which make all routines automatically |
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| 08:07.30 | johnx | no one's stopping you from installing it manually |
| 08:08.03 | DamagE_425 | could u give me instructions? |
| 08:08.46 | johnx | sorry, I don't use KDE |
| 08:08.53 | DamagE_425 | i see this site very usefull and "i'll be back!" ;))) |
| 08:08.55 | johnx | have you checked one of the threads in the KDE section of ITT? |
| 08:09.23 | DamagE_425 | ofcourse )) |
| 08:09.59 | DamagE_425 | thanks for all bye bye! |
| 08:10.06 | johnx | 'later |
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| 08:23.14 | rm_you | sighs |
| 08:24.13 | johnx | hey rm_you :D |
| 08:24.35 | rm_you | back in WA |
| 08:24.44 | rm_you | horrible day of travel tho |
| 08:25.31 | johnx | how's the snow by your place? |
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| 09:39.32 | Stskeeps | grrs at having a nightmare on getting late up, having to choose between a nokia tablet summit at his uni and research centre xmas lunch |
| 09:40.07 | johnx | this is a sign you might be working on tablet stuff too much |
| 09:40.25 | Stskeeps | ... and i actually woke up 3 hours later than supposed today |
| 09:40.30 | johnx | eep |
| 09:40.49 | johnx | you'll make it to the summit though right? we're all here waiting for you :D |
| 09:40.53 | Stskeeps | meh, ok, i'll have to skip that class then :P |
| 09:41.04 | Stskeeps | and will make it to xmas lunch, first in 4 hours |
| 09:41.13 | Stskeeps | need to further clean the house :P |
| 09:41.30 | johnx | unbreaks -tslib |
| 09:41.40 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 09:41.50 | Stskeeps | b-man was finishing up the installer |
| 09:42.01 | johnx | was feeling guility for letting it sit while I was out today |
| 09:42.14 | Stskeeps | i need to edit some packages so they don't rely on being installed from tablet to tablet |
| 09:42.23 | Stskeeps | so we can run imaging from a qemu lets say |
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| 09:45.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you see my comment on sapwood? |
| 09:45.26 | johnx | around when was that? |
| 09:45.43 | Stskeeps | last night i guess |
| 09:45.55 | Stskeeps | that r2d2rogers' problem but it exhibits differently |
| 09:46.12 | johnx | and a way to DoS it? |
| 09:46.13 | johnx | neat |
| 09:46.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, found by accident |
| 09:46.27 | RST38h | moo all |
| 09:46.35 | johnx | m00f RST38h |
| 09:46.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3939 |
| 09:47.04 | johnx | sorry that I pulled you into the pit of howling madness that is sapwood |
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| 09:47.54 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:48.00 | Stskeeps | well the bug is really funny |
| 09:48.15 | johnx | any gtk X client can cause it, right? |
| 09:48.23 | Stskeeps | we got it to trigger with gradient |
| 09:48.30 | Stskeeps | on his 770, any sapwood call will do it |
| 09:48.43 | johnx | haha! a different terrifying bug |
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| 09:55.31 | Stskeeps | ok, due to the class not being in calendar, it seems like everyone else has booked something else today |
| 09:55.44 | Stskeeps | fair enough, i'm not going to feel guilty about not going |
| 09:55.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:01.32 | johnx | there we go. should be able to build -tslib again. someone should revoke my license to edit source |
| 10:03.33 | RST38h | Gentlemen, could somebody help me with a stupid question? |
| 10:03.44 | johnx | only if it's really stupid |
| 10:03.50 | johnx | I don't answer smart questions |
| 10:03.56 | johnx | and don't think you'll be able to trick me |
| 10:03.59 | RST38h | In an OpenEmbedded Linux, what do I use to read hw buttons? |
| 10:04.06 | RST38h | Is there some generic device for that? |
| 10:04.22 | johnx | maybe /dev/input/eventN |
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| 10:04.31 | johnx | where N depends on your machine |
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| 10:04.48 | RST38h | ah |
| 10:05.06 | johnx | try /dev/input/by-path for hints |
| 10:05.20 | RST38h | Whatis it supposed to contain? |
| 10:05.36 | johnx | links to the event devices |
| 10:06.13 | johnx | root@Zero:~# ls -l /dev/input/by-path/platform-corgi-ts-event- |
| 10:06.14 | johnx | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 17 18:11 /dev/input/by-path/platform-corgi-ts-event- -> ../event2 |
| 10:06.16 | johnx | on a zaurus |
| 10:06.21 | Stskeeps | mm, RST38h, know of any good way to reveal stack buffer overflows on gcc4/arm? |
| 10:06.44 | RST38h | johnx: ! |
| 10:06.45 | RST38h | thanks |
| 10:06.54 | RST38h | Sts: Electric Fence may work |
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| 10:07.13 | Stskeeps | isn't that more of a malloc thing? |
| 10:07.24 | RST38h | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=electric+fence+armel&btnG=Search |
| 10:07.31 | RST38h | it is |
| 10:07.55 | RST38h | Wait, I think there is a really easy way |
| 10:08.10 | Stskeeps | "dont write crap code"? :> |
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| 10:09.31 | RST38h | First of all, add -fstack-check option |
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| 10:10.32 | RST38h | And then read http://tuvix.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/gcc-4.0.1/gccint/Stack-Checking.html although I think the default method is just fine for you |
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| 10:11.54 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 10:12.40 | Stskeeps | johnx: .. admittedly the summit in my dream was quite interesting. it was nokia busting through with a way to make a complete pervasive computing environment .. while serving danish xmas food and alcohol \o/ |
| 10:12.56 | johnx | is danish xmas food awesome? |
| 10:13.38 | Stskeeps | if done right, yeah |
| 10:13.51 | Stskeeps | there's the professional "modern" xmas food, which sucks |
| 10:13.53 | RST38h | Sts: Was the pervasive environment implemented through syringe shots of glowing multicolored liquids? =) |
| 10:14.13 | johnx | ...or plastic cups full of koolaid? |
| 10:14.29 | RST38h | As far as I know, koolaid *is* a glowing multicolored liquid |
| 10:14.51 | johnx | and a plastic cup is a lot like a syringe if you stab it into your arm hard enough |
| 10:15.15 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no, it was actually in style with the world :P |
| 10:15.40 | johnx | ok, I think I unbroke tslib |
| 10:15.48 | RST38h | Sts: Mm...with ugly gray laptops running Windows XP? |
| 10:15.50 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:16.16 | RST38h | [looking at the window] THEY TURNED ON THE LIGHT! |
| 10:16.17 | johnx | since I already ran /import-new-packages, will I have to bump the version number to re-upload? |
| 10:16.23 | RST38h | Not for long though. |
| 10:16.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah |
| 10:20.24 | johnx | jeez, that chinese n800-alike thing will run more than a pandora O_o |
| 10:21.03 | Stskeeps | .. we should port mer to it |
| 10:21.19 | johnx | we should get one free to port mer to |
| 10:21.23 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:21.49 | Stskeeps | seriously though, if there was proper easy-to-make-images maemo like os'es.. that could do interesting things for the market |
| 10:21.58 | johnx | though you're right. I'm running out of things that aren't a stones throw away from mer |
| 10:22.54 | RST38h | Sts: It will go out of business before you port mer to it |
| 10:23.06 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 10:23.22 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i mean, if it wasn't such a balant design ripoff, it would actually work out |
| 10:23.30 | johnx | that's true of a lot of companies given today's economy :/ |
| 10:23.48 | johnx | well, the problem would be marketing and global distribution |
| 10:24.14 | Stskeeps | if they were a bit creative with form factor, they'd have a kickass competitor :P |
| 10:24.16 | johnx | as for how well it would do in the native Chinese market...I really can't tell you about market trends in China |
| 10:25.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:25.47 | Stskeeps | i suspect it could work decently at danish market |
| 10:25.59 | johnx | with an off brand name and an off OS? |
| 10:26.19 | johnx | would people really risk it? |
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| 10:27.09 | Stskeeps | that's a good question |
| 10:27.16 | Stskeeps | i think people should just avoid saying it's linux |
| 10:27.23 | Stskeeps | and people would just take it as some mobile OS |
| 10:27.54 | johnx | people accept that for a mobile phone, but with a tablet they're usually looking for something more flexible than a smartphone |
| 10:28.07 | johnx | and even with smartphones users are picky about OS |
| 10:28.48 | Stskeeps | the problem with netbooks is that people expect to run their normal pc activities |
| 10:28.53 | Stskeeps | with a tablet its a tool |
| 10:29.02 | Stskeeps | or a media player |
| 10:29.02 | Stskeeps | etc |
| 10:29.21 | Stskeeps | with pleasant surprise when it can actually most of the same activities as a netbook would be able to |
| 10:29.59 | johnx | but only a small group of people are even interested in tablets and I'd really describe them as power users for the most part currently |
| 10:30.08 | johnx | crosses his fingers. tell me good news merbuilder... |
| 10:30.25 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 10:30.55 | Stskeeps | there's one thing i'd like to try once time is.. targeted community images |
| 10:31.02 | Stskeeps | "the chem students image" |
| 10:31.12 | Stskeeps | there's a tool for drawing molecules, for instance |
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| 10:31.28 | Stskeeps | omapfb built |
| 10:31.52 | johnx | yup, no changes except for a version bump |
| 10:31.59 | johnx | tslib should be fine |
| 10:32.20 | Stskeeps | k, so what was the issue, the -input-all/whatever stuff? |
| 10:34.00 | johnx | the omapfb issue was that Provides: had a substitution for xserver-xorg-video-4 and that needs to be -5 now with xorg-core >= 1:7.4~5ubuntu6 |
| 10:34.04 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:34.09 | Stskeeps | silly packaging systems :P |
| 10:34.18 | johnx | yeah, and tracking unstable distros |
| 10:34.41 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:35.21 | Meiz_n810 | xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-input-2.1 |
| 10:35.51 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: still buildin' probably |
| 10:35.57 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 10:36.16 | Stskeeps | i should really adjust merbuilder to use the sdk instead |
| 10:36.35 | johnx | luckily these are small |
| 10:37.05 | Stskeeps | yeah, but it is still faster on sdk :P |
| 10:37.16 | johnx | well yeah |
| 10:38.41 | Stskeeps | except im not confident on how to do it cleanly cos of all the packages in sdk already |
| 10:39.41 | Stskeeps | since we can't "just" start from a buildd foundation |
| 10:40.37 | johnx | yeah, but I think we can have an understanding that we'll start with whatever the SDK has and if we need a clean buildd-like setup we'll do that as needed |
| 10:40.49 | johnx | or am I confused? :D |
| 10:41.10 | Stskeeps | yeah.. something like that |
| 10:42.29 | Stskeeps | also i'm still pondering on the fact that i386 needs pbuilder+chroot or whatever, and armel needs scratchbox.. and with maemo it has both in scratchbox |
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| 10:45.20 | johnx | so what's qwerty12 doing with hildon-desktop-env? |
| 10:45.56 | Stskeeps | he added h-i-m to it (http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#December_tasks) |
| 10:46.14 | johnx | ok, so I can do some other changes without stepping on his toes? |
| 10:46.23 | Stskeeps | yeah, his changes were added |
| 10:46.35 | Stskeeps | so source+stuff is in repo now |
| 10:46.46 | Stskeeps | (i think) |
| 10:47.02 | johnx | if we're getting close to installable, I'd like to get the desktop startup stuff down solid |
| 10:47.16 | RST38h | Sts: You have not held their device in your hands so you do not know |
| 10:47.31 | RST38h | Sts: There is a LOT more than design that makes the product successful |
| 10:47.41 | Stskeeps | true |
| 10:47.57 | Stskeeps | like, not requiring to be on AC power constantly :P |
| 10:48.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: we should think about /home/user too. |
| 10:48.15 | johnx | so I'm thinking of having hildon-desktop-env -> /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 10:48.18 | RST38h | With these Chinese guys, the biggest problem is that they don't and can't market |
| 10:49.03 | johnx | Stskeeps, the $tablet_user thing didn't seem too bad |
| 10:49.14 | Stskeeps | $tablet_user? or /etc/tablet_user |
| 10:49.25 | johnx | sorry, the latter |
| 10:50.55 | Stskeeps | yeah.. im just worried about all the maemo apps relying on it being /home/user |
| 10:51.17 | johnx | hmm, that would be very dumb of them |
| 10:51.26 | johnx | are some of these apps confirmed to exist? |
| 10:51.27 | Stskeeps | one way could be a /etc/default_user that a package in maemo extras provides (with contents "user"), and for them to depend on |
| 10:51.34 | Stskeeps | not sure tbh |
| 10:51.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12 hinted there might be |
| 10:52.53 | johnx | tablet_user=$(cat /etc/tablet_user) ; ln -s /home/$tablet_user -> /home/user |
| 10:53.00 | Stskeeps | true |
| 10:53.45 | Stskeeps | is username renames possible? |
| 10:54.10 | Stskeeps | should be i guess |
| 10:54.18 | Stskeeps | just need some way to boot up and ask for username :P |
| 10:55.08 | johnx | would that be better as part of the install or part of the first-boot? |
| 10:56.03 | johnx | though if we distribute images eventually there is no interactive "install" |
| 10:56.06 | Stskeeps | first-boot. our goal is images |
| 10:56.17 | johnx | yeah, just thought about that |
| 10:56.34 | johnx | eventually we'll need a classy "first-boot" wizard I suppose |
| 10:56.38 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:56.50 | Stskeeps | i'm sure we can whop something together with zenity and h-i-m |
| 10:56.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:57.13 | johnx | yeah, so that will just run Xserver+first-boot.sh :) |
| 10:57.59 | johnx | yeah, shouldn't be bad I suppose |
| 10:58.04 | johnx | thank god for zenity |
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| 11:00.12 | Stskeeps | also we should find some portable way of indicating what kind of hardware its being installed on.. i mean, people look at /proc/component_version atm |
| 11:00.49 | johnx | yeah, that's notably missing on non-tablets huh? |
| 11:01.19 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:01.31 | johnx | what about: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Hardware: |
| 11:02.02 | johnx | minus the : |
| 11:02.53 | johnx | could someone with a N810 or 770 tell me what this says on your device: |
| 11:02.54 | johnx | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Hardware |
| 11:03.39 | florian | looks up in gpe-conf |
| 11:03.53 | florian | johnx: The 70 says: "Generic OMAP1510/1610/1710" |
| 11:04.09 | johnx | well, that's less than good |
| 11:04.26 | florian | indeed |
| 11:04.30 | johnx | I have visions of a giant branching sh script |
| 11:04.46 | Stskeeps | or simply making a echo $TARGET_NAME > /etc. |
| 11:04.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:04.53 | RST38h | that is Satan tempting you |
| 11:04.59 | florian | johnx: The N800 is better: "Nokia N800" |
| 11:05.12 | johnx | yeah, that's all nice and agreeable |
| 11:05.19 | johnx | and my zaurus does the right thing |
| 11:07.45 | florian | johnx: Most devices do - luckily. |
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| 11:08.00 | johnx | angstrom goes from that IIRC |
| 11:08.17 | johnx | I've devled into their giant machine guessing script |
| 11:08.38 | johnx | as long as it gets updated bit by bit as new machines are supported it's probably not a problem |
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| 11:10.16 | Stskeeps | morning yerga |
| 11:10.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: omapfb built on arm |
| 11:10.40 | yerga | morning Stskeeps |
| 11:10.42 | Stskeeps | (1724s) |
| 11:11.04 | johnx | you're right, that does take a bit of time |
| 11:11.49 | Stskeeps | glib took ~15 min on cross-compile |
| 11:11.55 | Stskeeps | like, what, 10 hours on not? :P |
| 11:12.26 | johnx | takes 4 or so natively I think without docs |
| 11:12.31 | johnx | but that's cheating of course :) |
| 11:13.36 | Stskeeps | my idea that binary-level emulation would accelerate that process a bit was right though :P |
| 11:13.42 | johnx | needs to eat real food instead of cookies |
| 11:13.52 | jumpula | cookies! |
| 11:14.02 | johnx | I ate all the cookies in the house :/ |
| 11:14.04 | jumpula | i'm all out :( |
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| 11:19.41 | johnx | craps :/ |
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| 11:19.54 | johnx | seems that ubuntu guys still haven't rebuilt most of their x packages yet |
| 11:20.40 | AStorm | hello |
| 11:20.50 | johnx | hey AStorm |
| 11:20.58 | AStorm | ehh, stupid SSU broke ukeyboard |
| 11:21.11 | AStorm | more exactly, all its added layours |
| 11:21.18 | AStorm | *layouts |
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| 11:34.54 | lardman | morning |
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| 11:40.18 | AStorm | hmm |
| 11:40.43 | AStorm | why oh why won't Nokia adopt ukeyboard and all the nice mods.. |
| 11:41.04 | AStorm | Stskeeps, mer will have all that, right? |
| 11:41.50 | Stskeeps | does it integrate into h-i-m or? |
| 11:41.59 | mgedmin | what layouts were added in the SSU? |
| 11:42.37 | Stskeeps | (.. what is it? :P) |
| 11:43.07 | AStorm | mgedmin, none |
| 11:43.18 | mgedmin | ah |
| 11:43.28 | AStorm | Stskeeps,it does not, it's a control panel applet |
| 11:43.37 | mgedmin | I misparsed your statement as "stupid SSU (more exactly,all its added layouts) broke ukeyboard" |
| 11:43.38 | Stskeeps | so it adds h-i-m layouts or? |
| 11:43.39 | AStorm | replaces standard one |
| 11:44.02 | AStorm | him doesn't care about layouts |
| 11:44.10 | AStorm | it can change them, yes |
| 11:44.26 | AStorm | but what's more important, can change X layout |
| 11:44.28 | Stskeeps | well if we can make it work with the vkb example, sure :P |
| 11:44.43 | AStorm | and allows picking your own new layouts |
| 11:45.02 | AStorm | = less broken |
| 11:45.17 | AStorm | I guess X update moved the basic layout somewhere |
| 11:47.10 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25677 |
| 11:47.12 | Stskeeps | this is awesome |
| 11:47.51 | AStorm | new browser is a tiny bit faster (of the SSU) |
| 11:48.00 | AStorm | and flash isn't horrible anymore |
| 11:48.53 | AStorm | Stskeeps, I guess it will fail at my handwriting |
| 11:48.59 | AStorm | as epitext does |
| 11:49.20 | Stskeeps | guess numbers and such are easier |
| 11:49.20 | AStorm | (about 33% probability of failure) |
| 11:49.24 | AStorm | no |
| 11:49.39 | Stskeeps | .. true, there are some confusing ones |
| 11:49.40 | AStorm | it mistakes 8 with 9 and 4 with 7 |
| 11:50.01 | AStorm | and rarely 3 and 9 |
| 11:50.11 | AStorm | it's just, meh |
| 11:50.15 | AStorm | not good enough |
| 11:51.21 | AStorm | that's why I'm writing a replacement |
| 11:52.02 | AStorm | the most annoing bug is that you can only have 256 samples |
| 11:52.23 | AStorm | and can't add your own symbols and dictionaries |
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| 11:57.34 | RST38h | Is this calculator in Extras? =) |
| 11:58.33 | AStorm | nice job though with the sqrt symbol |
| 11:59.00 | RST38h | alas it probably does not derive or integrate |
| 11:59.06 | AStorm | hehe |
| 11:59.13 | RST38h | 'cause SlideRule does ;) |
| 11:59.23 | AStorm | maybe it can do a discrete sum and permutation? |
| 11:59.33 | RST38h | prolly not |
| 11:59.46 | RST38h | But this would be cool as an input engine to Qalculate |
| 12:00.03 | AStorm | or a mode of epitext |
| 12:00.04 | AStorm | :) |
| 12:00.23 | AStorm | (hildon-i-m-) |
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| 12:08.53 | AStorm | hmm |
| 12:09.17 | AStorm | let's see if I can singlehandedly beat a team of developers from Beijing :P |
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| 12:17.52 | AStorm | nokia.com really needs .deb mime type fixed |
| 12:21.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: tslib built too |
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| 12:23.03 | Stskeeps | lo qwerty12 |
| 12:23.09 | qwerty12 | hey Stskeeps |
| 12:25.19 | AStorm | meh, their calculator can't read * |
| 12:25.20 | AStorm | :P |
| 12:26.37 | AStorm | ok, it fails worse than epitext on its own :P |
| 12:27.23 | Stskeeps | * or x? |
| 12:27.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:27.38 | Stskeeps | or the dot in the middle |
| 12:28.27 | AStorm | * as in star |
| 12:28.47 | AStorm | also, it frequently misreads numbers as powers |
| 12:32.41 | AStorm | misreads dots too (multiplication vs comma) |
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| 12:33.32 | AStorm | brb |
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| 12:34.41 | Meiz_n810 | hello! |
| 12:34.56 | Meiz_n810 | tslib and omapfb installable? |
| 12:35.00 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
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| 12:39.47 | qwerty12 | ~curse update applet |
| 12:39.48 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, update applet ! |
| 12:40.31 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: .. maybe. we fixed them but im not sure ubuntu compiled all their new x packages |
| 12:41.11 | johnx | yeah, x-x-i-evdev is still providing 2.1 |
| 12:41.22 | johnx | s/2.1/x-x-i-2.1/ |
| 12:42.06 | Stskeeps | do we need that or does it mess up install? |
| 12:42.29 | johnx | it gets depended on by xorg-core |
| 12:42.43 | StsN800 | ah |
| 12:42.59 | johnx | I don't think we can get Xorg installed without some of the X modules that are still 2.1 |
| 12:43.19 | johnx | all they have to do is rebuild, but depending on their backlog...I don't even want to think about it |
| 12:46.13 | StsN800 | mm |
| 12:46.42 | StsN800 | if it takes too long we'll compile on our own |
| 12:46.56 | johnx | we may be going through a lot of packages |
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| 12:47.52 | StsN800 | nah. xserver-xorg is pretty separated |
| 12:48.05 | johnx | well, there's bound to be more that need rebuilding |
| 12:49.35 | johnx | actually, guess not |
| 12:49.39 | johnx | just evdev... |
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| 12:56.02 | johnx | if we provide the same package name-version at a higher priority, then pull ours when ubuntu releases the fix upgrades should work ... I think |
| 12:57.06 | StsN800 | we already do pinning |
| 12:57.44 | johnx | right, exactly |
| 12:59.26 | lardman | ~lart Windows for needing reboots |
| 12:59.26 | infobot | keeps mailing Windows free America Online CDs until he drowns for needing reboots |
| 12:59.28 | lardman | bbiam |
| 13:05.29 | Stskeeps | will leave for xmas lunch in 10 mins or so |
| 13:05.48 | Stskeeps | i work at pervasive healthcare research centre.. xmas lunch dresscode is coming as a disease |
| 13:06.00 | johnx | ahaha |
| 13:06.13 | Stskeeps | i've gone for measles as i'm horridly uninspired, but i suspect whiteboard marker and skin isn't such a good thing |
| 13:06.20 | Stskeeps | good thing there'll be a doctor at the lunch |
| 13:06.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:06.47 | johnx | you need a sharpie marker, whiteboard marker will come off inside a couple hours :P |
| 13:07.05 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:07.12 | Stskeeps | http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/xserver-xorg-input-evdev_2.1.0-0ubuntu2_armel.deb <- isnt this the one in question? |
| 13:07.50 | johnx | yes |
| 13:08.13 | Stskeeps | so it isn't in packages, or just providing -2.1 still? |
| 13:08.24 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:08.28 | Stskeeps | (.. reading #u-a |
| 13:09.30 | johnx | :) |
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| 13:12.02 | johnx | starts a build and goes to buy dinner...and maybe a beer |
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| 13:12.27 | Stskeeps | i got two good things today, brilliant xmas food, cheap booze, and gf coming home \o/ |
| 13:12.41 | johnx | congrats |
| 13:13.15 | Stskeeps | bbl |
| 13:14.14 | johnx | same here |
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| 15:06.39 | oli | can i make a gtalk video call from n800 to PC? |
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| 15:17.34 | GAN8001 | oli, with a client that implements Jingle |
| 15:17.45 | GAN8001 | There are some, though that list doesn't include Google's own client. |
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| 15:24.38 | lardman | hey qgil |
| 15:24.43 | lardman | how are you? |
| 15:25.06 | lardman | in Deutschland? |
| 15:25.09 | GAN8001 | lol, Beta Labs doesn't know the difference between the N800 and N810. :P http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/handwritingcalculator |
| 15:26.06 | qgil | hi lardman: yes |
| 15:26.54 | lardman | GAN8001: well they probably deal mainly with symbian anyway |
| 15:27.18 | qgil | GAN8001 where is the confusion? |
| 15:27.36 | GAN8001 | qgil, he calls the N810 an "N800" twice. ;) |
| 15:28.10 | qgil | ah, the video |
| 15:28.36 | GAN8001 | I wish the platform HWR worked that well. . . . |
| 15:28.39 | qgil | the pages and videos are done by the own developer teams afaik |
| 15:28.52 | qgil | the beta labs people do know us |
| 15:28.59 | zakkm | you guys know where i could find extra stylus's? |
| 15:29.07 | qgil | actually they are in the same building in Helsinki :) |
| 15:29.08 | zakkm | my n800 one got lost |
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| 15:29.31 | lardman | zakkm: I thought a couple came in the box? |
| 15:29.34 | GAN8001 | zakkm, unless you can beg for one at one of the flagship stores. . . |
| 15:29.41 | qgil | btw anyone familiar with http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/feedcircuit/ ? |
| 15:29.51 | zakkm | they probably did, but i got it used.. and he gave me 2.. and i somehow lost both |
| 15:29.55 | qgil | and/or the developer(s) |
| 15:30.08 | lardman | no, sorry |
| 15:30.16 | GAN8001 | Nope |
| 15:30.21 | qgil | or any other remarkable feed reader for Maemo? |
| 15:30.31 | zakkm | ;o |
| 15:30.33 | zakkm | builtin :) |
| 15:30.46 | qgil | I'm a bit puzzled about the comments on that page..... |
| 15:30.52 | qgil | so enthusiastic |
| 15:31.46 | qgil | have you ever heard of anybody interested in improving the official RSS Feed Reader (open source) or putting time developing one? |
| 15:32.22 | zakkm | Is the new Kernel really important? |
| 15:32.38 | GAN8001 | Lot of duplicate rating. |
| 15:32.39 | zakkm | cause i tried nitdroid again, failed.. and only had the 36-5 kernel.. so i reflashed the nokia with that kernel |
| 15:32.50 | lardman | qgil: I guess it's one of those "would be nice, but have other things to do first" sorts of things |
| 15:32.57 | GAN8001 | zakkm, some xv and fb improvements. |
| 15:33.05 | zakkm | oh okay |
| 15:33.11 | GAN8001 | zakkm, nitdroid probably isn't really worth the effort. |
| 15:33.15 | zakkm | so i should download the bin and flash? |
| 15:33.23 | zakkm | it failed again, after some persons help on the forum |
| 15:33.30 | zakkm | now its a quicker rebot loop -.- |
| 15:33.47 | GAN8001 | qgil, qwerty12 and Navi have some small patches for the applet, but I've never really seen anybody interested in really developing for it. |
| 15:34.11 | lardman | more publicity about its openness might help? |
| 15:34.14 | lardman | dunno |
| 15:34.18 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, It's really Navi's work, I just applied his chinook stuff to the diablo version :) |
| 15:34.24 | qgil | do you think it's because of feed readers themselves are not interesting nowadays or because it would be too much work or...? |
| 15:35.04 | lardman | probably that it's not that interesting |
| 15:35.09 | GAN8001 | The feed reader seems to be important enough to a lot of people to complain frequently about it. |
| 15:35.28 | GAN8001 | But I doubt improving it would be very much fun. |
| 15:35.42 | GAN8001 | Seems like a long way to go to get the official client up to snuff. |
| 15:35.45 | lardman | if I had some complaint (that I could remember, I think I did once upon a time complain about it for some reason) I'd submit a patch |
| 15:36.07 | lardman | yeah, depends on what the source looks like I suppose |
| 15:36.22 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 15:36.24 | qgil | on the other hand... are there amazing fed readers out there |
| 15:36.27 | qgil | ? |
| 15:37.06 | GAN8001 | doesn't use RSS. |
| 15:37.22 | zakkm | thinks rss should come through email at a certain interval .. |
| 15:37.53 | lardman | doesn't use it much either |
| 15:38.02 | lardman | though it could be quite useful |
| 15:38.12 | GAN8001 | I'm usually just frustrated that it's not the web interface. |
| 15:38.17 | lardman | the way it was on the 770 - small headlines, etc |
| 15:38.18 | qgil | I would be happy pushing some "incentives" for either move the Diablo reader for a next level in Fremantle, or support a 100% community project challenging the official one |
| 15:38.27 | qwerty12 | just uses it to read the BBC news |
| 15:38.38 | qgil | my case is similar |
| 15:38.48 | Jaffa | uses the in-built reader for a few feeds (BBC, Techmeme, p.m.o & Facebook friends feed) |
| 15:38.59 | qgil | what I think though is whether feed readrs would be more used if they would address better the problems |
| 15:38.59 | zakkm | does ssh server work well on nokia? |
| 15:39.03 | lardman | bring on hw accel and scrolling will be fine |
| 15:39.11 | oli | zakkm: yep |
| 15:39.24 | Jaffa | It's not very good for many of them like p.m.o & Techmeme as I never remember to look at items "saved for later" when I've got a n/w connection. |
| 15:39.27 | oli | i've got a problem with adding a SIP account on my n800 |
| 15:39.34 | Jaffa | RX-51 with HSPA could help there |
| 15:39.42 | GAN8001 | qgil, I think a good feed reader will make a lot of people happy. |
| 15:39.47 | zakkm | does the deb in application manager automatically set up ssh server? |
| 15:39.53 | oli | i enter login, password and proxy adress, but it says it can't connect |
| 15:40.30 | qgil | GAN8001 this is my feeling too, but I'm unsure where to start |
| 15:41.27 | lardman | a page like the PIM one, asking what features people would like? |
| 15:41.57 | qgil | the thing is that, in this case, a team could take over almost completely |
| 15:42.08 | qgil | since the app is as free as the application manager |
| 15:42.09 | GAN8001 | For open development, I kinda get the feeling that the dev community is stretched a little thin to start driving Nokia applications forward. |
| 15:42.13 | qgil | but less critical, so to say |
| 15:42.34 | zakkm | ... i enter password in sshing to my nokia |
| 15:42.37 | qgil | lixe the osso-xterm, but for a different audience. :) |
| 15:42.37 | zakkm | but it says permission denied |
| 15:42.43 | lardman | GAN8001: it just needs one person who's really interested to start pushing it I suppose |
| 15:43.16 | GAN8001 | zakkm, connection refused or are you just entering the wrong password? |
| 15:43.19 | qgil | this is why I was asking about this http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/feedcircuit/ |
| 15:43.29 | zakkm | im entering the right password.. and no connection refused |
| 15:43.39 | zakkm | zak@192.168.0.198's password: |
| 15:43.40 | zakkm | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 15:44.06 | qgil | well, it's in extras so the guy has done some homework |
| 15:44.16 | qgil | I'll try it over the weekend |
| 15:44.51 | qgil | anyway, have to go - see you! |
| 15:44.52 | GAN8001 | I think getting some wheels moving on h-a-m's open development and seeing the beta SDK will help get people interested in these open projects. |
| 15:44.56 | GAN8001 | Later. |
| 15:45.19 | qgil | GAN8001 - agreed, hopefully git.maemo.org will play a role as well |
| 15:45.20 | qgil | bye |
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| 15:45.33 | oli | zakkm: try ssh root@127.0.0.1 on nokia and tell does it work |
| 15:45.36 | fnordianslip | i tend to use the iphone version of google reader in the browser, which looks nice. a standalone reader that worked similarly would be cool, i think - http://www.google.com/reader/i/ |
| 15:46.08 | zakkm | oli: im reinstalling openssh on nokia.. but ill try that, thanks :) |
| 15:46.26 | fnordianslip | its a bit like netnewswire, which i like on the Mac |
| 15:46.39 | zakkm | ;o |
| 15:46.42 | zakkm | i have a mac :) |
| 15:47.42 | zakkm | heyyy oli: it worked :D thank youu |
| 15:47.44 | fnordianslip | i have two, but i have more linux boxes |
| 15:48.05 | zakkm | your probably older too ;p |
| 15:48.11 | fnordianslip | git |
| 15:48.24 | fnordianslip | lols |
| 15:48.38 | oli | hm, would anyone help me with setting up a SIP account on my n800? |
| 15:48.48 | zakkm | oli: what sip ? |
| 15:48.53 | oli | sipphone |
| 15:49.02 | zakkm | uhh onesec |
| 15:49.12 | oli | it works on a PC client |
| 15:49.23 | zakkm | there was a guide i followeed to setup sipphone on mine |
| 15:49.28 | oli | but nokia can't even connect to the server |
| 15:49.51 | zakkm | yeah you gotta mess with server pages |
| 15:50.02 | zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOW_TO:_SIP_Setup_for_VoipDiscount%2C_VoipBuster%2C_etc. |
| 15:50.10 | zakkm | step 3b: ... |
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| 15:53.14 | zakkm | dont laugh please but would ssh -X or something work ..? to see nokia's screen on my mac? |
| 15:53.14 | oli | zakkm: try installing x11vnc |
| 15:53.14 | oli | it's a vnc server |
| 15:53.19 | zakkm | nokia can be the server though. or just client? |
| 15:54.16 | oli | server |
| 15:54.21 | oli | and client too |
| 15:54.24 | zakkm | oh sweet :) |
| 15:55.17 | zakkm | ssh'ing nokia helps so much :D |
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| 15:57.03 | oli | zakkm: http://i42.tinypic.com/25s7mza.jpg |
| 15:57.17 | zakkm | zune theme :) |
| 15:57.25 | zakkm | sorry , i love to skin |
| 15:57.42 | zakkm | would that work well on mac ? |
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| 15:57.56 | GAN8001 | Chicken of the VNC |
| 15:58.46 | zakkm | so i install x11vnc on nokia.. and chicken of the vnc on my mac? |
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| 16:01.20 | lcuk | what a day from hell |
| 16:01.26 | zakkm | lcuk: what happened |
| 16:01.32 | AStorm | lcuk, hehe |
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| 16:01.43 | lcuk | 5am this morning eldest screamed that jake was having a fit |
| 16:02.06 | lcuk | :( its the worst thing ive ever seen |
| 16:02.09 | AStorm | oh |
| 16:02.11 | zakkm | "unknown rectangle encoding 2097156 -> exiting ........... <--- vncing the nokia error ? |
| 16:02.32 | dneary | lcuk: One of your kids? How old is Jake? |
| 16:03.57 | lcuk | hes 6 1/2, outside the normal "expected" range for femitile(sp?) fits |
| 16:07.54 | zakkm | sh-3.2# ./flasher.macosx -f -F RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -R |
| 16:07.55 | zakkm | Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2) |
| 16:07.56 | zakkm | any ideas? |
| 16:07.58 | AStorm | what fits? :P |
| 16:08.31 | AStorm | broken download? |
| 16:08.43 | zakkm | it finished fine |
| 16:08.48 | zakkm | never had a broken download on my mac before? |
| 16:09.18 | zakkm | dont want to reboot into linux :( |
| 16:11.54 | AStorm | broken flasher then |
| 16:12.43 | zakkm | ./flasher.macosx -F RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -R |
| 16:12.45 | zakkm | does that sound right? |
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| 16:37.39 | AStorm | hello again |
| 16:38.14 | AStorm | do you know of a nice transparent "tunnel" that can autostart an ssh session? |
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| 16:38.27 | AStorm | and use that for tunneling |
| 16:38.54 | AStorm | so that I don't have to manually restart the session |
| 16:39.17 | AStorm | instead just connect to the port and the tunnel will start |
| 16:39.29 | oli | any SIP account doesnt work :| |
| 16:42.11 | GAN8001 | zakkm, restart x11vnc |
| 16:42.15 | GAN8001 | lcuk, :( |
| 16:42.21 | zakkm | GAN8001: i did |
| 16:42.32 | zakkm | oli: follow that guide? |
| 16:43.15 | AStorm | hey |
| 16:43.31 | AStorm | do we have a xinetd build for maemo? |
| 16:43.43 | AStorm | I need it for autostarting of ssh sessions |
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| 16:45.57 | born2wonder | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:45.58 | AStorm | Stskeeps, could you build a package? |
| 16:46.03 | oli | zakkm: i've followed, i've tried 2 sip providers and nothing |
| 16:46.21 | AStorm | born2wonder, public away is evil, disable |
| 16:46.36 | AStorm | oli, you're probably firewalled or natted |
| 16:47.12 | AStorm | so, could some kind sould build me a xinetd deb? |
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| 16:47.43 | oli | AStorm: net works, pinging the prov. domain too, and gtalk accounts works ok |
| 16:47.52 | AStorm | that's not enough |
| 16:48.03 | AStorm | for sip, you need two-way communication |
| 16:48.10 | AStorm | esp. incoming connections |
| 16:48.42 | AStorm | or a sip proxy :) |
| 16:48.55 | GAN8001 | oli, did you configure STUN and everything? |
| 16:48.56 | oli | yeah, i set up the outbound proxy |
| 16:49.06 | GAN8001 | proxy01.sipphone.com etc? |
| 16:49.18 | oli | yep. |
| 16:49.19 | born2wonder | is back (gone 00:03:22) |
| 16:49.26 | AStorm | stun is not enough sometimes |
| 16:49.39 | AStorm | it tries to bust the firewall |
| 16:49.41 | born2wonder | @Astorm , why |
| 16:49.47 | GAN8001 | born2wonder, please don't do public aways in here. :) |
| 16:49.55 | oli | maybe I will take screenshots of configuration screen |
| 16:50.14 | born2wonder | ok sure, just never really used irc .. |
| 16:50.28 | GAN8001 | born2wonder, it basically amounts to spam. ;) |
| 16:50.50 | GAN8001 | Unless you're really, really important, nobody really cares whether or not you're AFK. :P |
| 16:51.07 | AStorm | born2wonder, http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 16:51.09 | AStorm | :) |
| 16:51.10 | born2wonder | lol |
| 16:51.28 | born2wonder | good point |
| 16:52.18 | AStorm | ok |
| 16:52.27 | AStorm | so I'm still short of xinetd |
| 16:52.37 | AStorm | who volunteers for a build? |
| 16:52.47 | born2wonder | by the way can the great debian scripts for auto completion in bash be added in mer? |
| 16:53.13 | AStorm | born2wonder, ask stskeeps |
| 16:53.21 | born2wonder | ok |
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| 16:57.50 | AStorm | ehh |
| 16:58.10 | AStorm | no one with sb1 wanting to build me a xinetd package is around? |
| 16:58.29 | qwerty12 | should have asked when I was still in Linux :P |
| 16:59.11 | AStorm | I tried |
| 16:59.30 | AStorm | half an hour ago |
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| 17:01.13 | GAN8001 | qwerty12 is becoming remiss in his responsibilities. :P |
| 17:01.38 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 17:01.56 | AStorm | ok, so. Could *anyone* please build a package |
| 17:02.07 | qwerty12 | What can I say? Being internationally known & locally respected does sometimes lead to problems :P :D |
| 17:02.10 | AStorm | or submit xinetd deb to extras-devel? |
| 17:02.30 | AStorm | (or tell me how I can do that) |
| 17:03.02 | GAN800 | wonders what's eating battery so quickly. |
| 17:03.47 | AStorm | top, use it |
| 17:04.01 | AStorm | and enable ondemand/conservative sched |
| 17:04.19 | AStorm | also, wifi being active eats battery |
| 17:05.26 | AStorm | also, stupid SSU disables extras repo |
| 17:05.32 | AStorm | :P |
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| 17:06.32 | oli | can any one check -> http://www.oli.yoyo.pl/sip/ (screenshots related to my SIP problem ;) |
| 17:06.33 | GAN800 | AStorm, it's been fixed. |
| 17:07.11 | AStorm | gan800, not in latest |
| 17:07.17 | AStorm | :P |
| 17:07.23 | AStorm | it did disable that |
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| 17:07.47 | GAN800 | AStorm, it'll take one release for the fix to take effect. |
| 17:07.55 | GAN800 | But it's been fixed. |
| 17:07.58 | AStorm | mhm |
| 17:08.02 | AStorm | whatever |
| 17:08.13 | GAN800 | oli, I thought you were using sipphone. |
| 17:08.17 | AStorm | ok, so build me that xinetd :) |
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| 17:08.57 | GAN800 | AStorm, buy me a computer I can install the SDK on. |
| 17:09.01 | AStorm | heh |
| 17:09.02 | oli | GAN800: I'd thought that it could depend of provider so i checked sip2sip, but with the same result |
| 17:09.10 | AStorm | ok, another idea |
| 17:09.37 | AStorm | how do I submit a package for extras-devel autobuilder? |
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| 17:09.57 | qwerty12 | ~upload-extras |
| 17:09.58 | infobot | upload-extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
| 17:10.06 | qwerty12 | But you need an invite first |
| 17:10.07 | AStorm | ok |
| 17:10.11 | AStorm | drat |
| 17:10.17 | AStorm | I don't have one |
| 17:10.35 | AStorm | qwerty12, so, could you drop xinetd into it? |
| 17:10.44 | AStorm | (it has a debian package) |
| 17:11.04 | oli | GAN800: what do you think I should do? |
| 17:11.31 | qwerty12 | astorm, hmm, dunno, I don't really like sending stuff to the autobuilder unless I've checked it creates no problems when I compile in sbox |
| 17:11.53 | AStorm | what problems can xinetd create? |
| 17:11.54 | AStorm | :P |
| 17:12.34 | qwerty12 | I can't do it anyway, I need to generate a changes file and I'm in windows :P |
| 17:12.53 | AStorm | GAN800, then maybe you? |
| 17:13.27 | GAN8001 | AStorm, I don't have a machine I can install the SDK on. |
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| 17:13.40 | AStorm | you don't need one |
| 17:13.52 | AStorm | you need submit rights to extras |
| 17:13.53 | AStorm | :P |
| 17:13.56 | GAN8001 | I don't have a machine I can put together deb packages on. |
| 17:14.04 | AStorm | there is one already |
| 17:14.06 | GAN8001 | Nor do I have upload permissions. |
| 17:14.08 | AStorm | debian's |
| 17:14.11 | AStorm | ouch |
| 17:14.17 | oli | ... :P |
| 17:14.18 | AStorm | guess I'm SOL |
| 17:16.31 | AStorm | what about that "extras-assistant"? |
| 17:16.49 | qwerty12 | You need a invite to use it |
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| 17:16.55 | qwerty12 | + a changes file |
| 17:17.05 | qwerty12 | which you get when you make a source package in scratchbox |
| 17:17.17 | qwerty12 | it probably could be done by hand but too long |
| 17:17.18 | AStorm | blah |
| 17:18.12 | pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKKMj37Psd8&feature=channel_page angstrom on pandora, claws mail... |
| 17:18.52 | AStorm | I also need someone to build me btrfs-unstable |
| 17:19.01 | AStorm | and related tools :) |
| 17:19.27 | AStorm | that, or a way to set up sb1 w/o downloading hundreds of MB |
| 17:20.19 | GAN8001 | pupnik_, seeing other mobile UIs, it's amazing how polished Maemo looks in comparison. |
| 17:20.31 | AStorm | :P |
| 17:21.14 | GAN8001 | Will the Pandora have accelerometers? |
| 17:21.21 | pupnik_ | iirc no |
| 17:21.30 | pupnik_ | look at that ugly vkbd |
| 17:21.42 | GAN8001 | matchbox-kb |
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| 17:22.01 | pupnik_ | XMMS! woot! |
| 17:22.15 | pupnik_ | nice and fast |
| 17:23.42 | oli | Help, please ;) oli.yoyo.pl/sip/ |
| 17:23.48 | GAN8001 | Take any of that awesome and multiply it by 100 and you've got RX-51 |
| 17:24.01 | GAN8001 | oli, it may not be autodetecting the STUN server. |
| 17:25.11 | AStorm | or your firewall might actually be well designed |
| 17:25.15 | oli | STUN doesn't depend on sip provider? |
| 17:25.21 | AStorm | and unable to be tricked by STUN |
| 17:25.25 | AStorm | it doesn't |
| 17:25.57 | oyvind_ | I used the "Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!" from penguinbait post, when my OS was updated a couple days ago the bootloader disappeared, and it automatically boots to the original install. |
| 17:26.07 | GAN8001 | ~boot-sd |
| 17:26.08 | infobot | i heard boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 17:26.20 | oli | hm, (INTERNET) <adsl line> (MODEM) <usb cable> (PC) <wireless ad-hoc network> (N800) |
| 17:26.26 | AStorm | you need to reinstall the deb |
| 17:26.34 | disco_stu | no no |
| 17:26.35 | AStorm | ok |
| 17:26.45 | disco_stu | reinstallin will reclone |
| 17:26.52 | AStorm | the PC |
| 17:27.00 | AStorm | is doing some NAT |
| 17:27.07 | disco_stu | he will loose the update |
| 17:27.15 | AStorm | hehe |
| 17:27.17 | AStorm | ok, then |
| 17:27.28 | AStorm | you need to update initfs |
| 17:27.45 | disco_stu | you need to go to /root/ |
| 17:28.05 | disco_stu | and reflash with the fil in there |
| 17:28.20 | disco_stu | dont remember the name now |
| 17:29.30 | dneary | lcuk: Is it epilepsy? |
| 17:29.43 | disco_stu | /root/install_tools i guess |
| 17:29.56 | oli | but even with no STUN i should login to server, shouldn't I ? |
| 17:30.24 | AStorm | dneary, imo it's just a pissed off 6yo guy |
| 17:30.57 | oyvind_ | DoI need to reinstall bootloader or just activate the old one? |
| 17:30.57 | lcuk | the doctors cannot say, hes a bit old for a febrile seizure (got spelling now) but not so far out that its not possible. hes had a virus for a couple of weeks so was already zapped of energy |
| 17:31.22 | AStorm | ah, that |
| 17:31.41 | AStorm | these fits |
| 17:31.54 | lcuk | singular so far and hopefully |
| 17:32.00 | AStorm | probably still possible, but might be something more insidious |
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| 17:32.11 | AStorm | btw, never use aspirin in children |
| 17:32.12 | AStorm | :> |
| 17:32.38 | AStorm | just a reminder |
| 17:34.00 | lcuk | we dont, paracetamol and kiddie ibuprofen as required |
| 17:35.53 | AStorm | lcuk, maybe you can build me that xinetd, if you're not busy I mean |
| 17:36.12 | AStorm | ~scratchbox |
| 17:36.12 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 17:36.20 | AStorm | no |
| 17:36.25 | GAN8001 | penguinbait's .deb's are so evil. :\ |
| 17:36.25 | lcuk | xined? |
| 17:36.28 | AStorm | I want the guide |
| 17:36.30 | lcuk | xinetd? |
| 17:36.32 | AStorm | lcuk, xinetd |
| 17:36.34 | AStorm | yes |
| 17:36.37 | GAN8001 | They make it easy initially, but just lead to a lot of trouble later on. |
| 17:37.03 | AStorm | I want to use it to autostart ssh sessions |
| 17:37.20 | AStorm | uhm, ssh tunnels |
| 17:37.59 | lcuk | ive not got scratchbox at the mo |
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| 17:38.18 | AStorm | but you have the extras account |
| 17:38.30 | AStorm | and could upload debian's deb for it |
| 17:38.32 | dneary | lcuk: All OK in the end? |
| 17:38.44 | GAN8001 | AStorm is actually trying to get somebody to upload a virus. :P |
| 17:38.46 | AStorm | ah, no :> |
| 17:38.51 | AStorm | nah |
| 17:39.04 | AStorm | xinetd, not some virus |
| 17:39.21 | lcuk | think so, his temp is up and down - somethings goin through him |
| 17:39.55 | oyvind_ | I just reinstall the deb, dosent take ling to install my favorite programs, the script has worked great before the update |
| 17:40.23 | AStorm | no |
| 17:40.28 | AStorm | at least |
| 17:40.45 | AStorm | first update your "old system" with the latest SSU |
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| 17:59.06 | AStorm | ... I really need that xinetd |
| 17:59.13 | AStorm | ~scratchbox-howto |
| 18:01.07 | AStorm | ehh |
| 18:01.28 | lcuk | AStorm, i found it simplest to just use the vmware image |
| 18:01.41 | AStorm | which is 4G |
| 18:01.48 | AStorm | thank you very much |
| 18:01.55 | AStorm | my 64k would love it |
| 18:02.06 | AStorm | and my disk would just be enamored |
| 18:03.06 | lcuk | heh understood |
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| 18:03.42 | cyrus__ | Does the N800 use a tsc2005 while the N810 use tsc2301 |
| 18:03.50 | AStorm | yes |
| 18:04.46 | cyrus__ | can you tell me what, if any is the difference between those two drivers? |
| 18:04.57 | cyrus__ | reason I ask is that the current android port out there for the n810 uses the tsc2005 |
| 18:04.58 | AStorm | try diffing them |
| 18:05.09 | cyrus__ | I tried enavling the tsc2301 but it failed to initialize |
| 18:05.24 | AStorm | or maybe I was wrong |
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| 18:05.47 | AStorm | best way is to check |
| 18:05.49 | AStorm | anyway |
| 18:06.35 | AStorm | cyrus__, if you have the nokia kernel and toolchain ready, could you build btrfs-unstable from gitand btrfs-progs-unstable from git too? |
| 18:07.06 | AStorm | meh |
| 18:07.16 | AStorm | maybe I should do it myself |
| 18:07.47 | AStorm | where's the "build stuff in scratchbox" howto? |
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| 18:08.10 | cyrus__ | AStorm - what is btrfs-unstable |
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| 18:13.55 | AStorm | cyrus__, filesystem |
| 18:14.05 | AStorm | unstable branch of btrfs |
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| 18:14.20 | AStorm | (git is at git.kernel.org, ~mason one) |
| 18:19.48 | AStorm | ok, so how do I grab the fresh scratchbox env now? |
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| 18:25.27 | dick-richardson | how do you read the mouse-over text of an image on the web? xkcd is a good example |
| 18:26.32 | GAN8001 | dick-richardson, you don't |
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| 18:27.11 | dick-richardson | ok...it's actually only xkcd that I'd like it for regularly anyway |
| 18:29.14 | dick-richardson | f-f-fail whale! |
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| 18:32.39 | AStorm | GAN800, ok, where's the scratchbox installation guide? |
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| 18:35.52 | AStorm | hmm |
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| 18:36.14 | AStorm | no help in sight I guess :( |
| 18:36.14 | GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/development/ |
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| 18:36.36 | AStorm | :) |
| 18:40.57 | AStorm | ehh, it's huge |
| 18:41.09 | AStorm | scratchbox itself is 46 MB |
| 18:41.32 | AStorm | so, who will build me that xinetd quicker? |
| 18:41.50 | AStorm | the dl of it will take about 2h |
| 18:48.00 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: with exception of being drunk and such, looks good regarding legal guys feedback \o/ |
| 18:48.34 | Stskeeps | returns to being social |
| 18:49.20 | AStorm | Stskeeps, build me xinetd, please oh please |
| 18:49.43 | Stskeeps | AStorm: for mer? i think it's just apt-get install xinetd.. |
| 18:49.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:49.59 | Stskeeps | and you dont want me near any code right now |
| 18:50.00 | Stskeeps | bbl |
| 18:50.04 | AStorm | for diablo |
| 18:50.14 | AStorm | or at least a binary tar.gz |
| 18:50.46 | AStorm | :/ |
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| 18:52.33 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, did they contact you directly? |
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| 20:13.21 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: should be on m-c |
| 20:13.32 | GAN8001 | Ah, OK |
| 20:13.39 | GAN8001 | I wasn't sure if it was that or something additional. |
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| 20:21.11 | RST38h | moooo. |
| 20:22.04 | b-man | ??????????? |
| 20:22.23 | qwerty12_N800 | moo RST38h |
| 20:22.44 | b-man | i don't get it. |
| 20:22.57 | b-man | :/ |
| 20:26.36 | b-man | sooo, how is the weather out there qwerty12? |
| 20:27.39 | b-man | it's verry cold and there is ice everywhere here.... |
| 20:27.39 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, cold as ever :D. i think this is supposed to be our coldest winter for a long time :D |
| 20:27.56 | b-man | same here :D |
| 20:28.35 | b-man | we were suppose to get a snowstorm but it all turned to ice... |
| 20:29.02 | b-man | but school was canceld! :D |
| 20:29.28 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :D, but I got 2 weeks off today :P |
| 20:29.41 | b-man | same here. :) |
| 20:29.58 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :) |
| 20:30.27 | RST38h | qwerty |
| 20:30.36 | RST38h | WINE thread on iTT is hilarious |
| 20:31.03 | b-man | @ qwerty12; what are you doing/getting for christmas? |
| 20:31.24 | GAN8001 | WINE + ARM is always hilarious. |
| 20:31.37 | qwerty12_N800 | b-man, nothing much :/ |
| 20:31.41 | b-man | i'm getting a Dell studio 15. :D |
| 20:32.08 | qwerty12_N800 | heh nice :D |
| 20:33.13 | b-man | I' thinking of whiping out windows and installing Ubuntu on it. |
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| 20:33.44 | b-man | or dual booting.. |
| 20:40.08 | Pavlov | hmm |
| 20:40.16 | Pavlov | so lets say your n810 power cable is 2500 miles away |
| 20:40.23 | Pavlov | what is the fastest way to get something to charge it with? |
| 20:41.25 | GAN8001 | Local cellular store? |
| 20:41.25 | Pavlov | (it doesn't charge over usb does it?) |
| 20:41.29 | GAN8001 | No |
| 20:41.39 | `0660 | that handwriting calculator is so cool |
| 20:41.41 | GAN8001 | Most of the Nokia phones shipped use that plug. |
| 20:41.44 | Pavlov | ok |
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| 20:42.01 | GAN8001 | Radio Shack will have it for sure if you're in the States. |
| 20:43.47 | Pavlov | yeah? |
| 20:44.02 | Pavlov | any idea what voltage/etc i need? |
| 20:44.41 | GAN8001 | 5.7v |
| 20:44.44 | pupnik | i've found car adapters that do not actually charge the device, just power it |
| 20:44.51 | pupnik | claimed to be n800 compat |
| 20:45.05 | pupnik | so ymmv |
| 20:45.10 | GAN8001 | 890mA |
| 20:45.24 | GAN8001 | The car adaptors are usually closer to 400mA |
| 20:45.32 | GAN8001 | So it'll only charge if it's using very little power |
| 20:45.36 | Pavlov | just powering it would be fine |
| 20:45.43 | Pavlov | but charging would be nice |
| 20:45.50 | Pavlov | ok, so 5.7v 890mA |
| 20:45.55 | Pavlov | heads to radio shack |
| 20:45.56 | ||cw | if you power it off it would charge it |
| 20:46.08 | GAN8001 | Pavlov, http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2760955 |
| 20:46.12 | GAN8001 | Plus the adaptor |
| 20:46.26 | Pavlov | k |
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| 21:22.38 | Pavlov | woo i have the power |
| 21:22.55 | Pavlov | found the igo thing |
| 21:27.30 | GAN8001 | Pavlov, congrats. :P |
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| 21:32.50 | RST38h | Gentlemen, does anyone know how I can disable blinki console cursor when I am using it as a frame buffer (fb0)? |
| 21:32.54 | RST38h | blinking |
| 21:34.22 | RST38h | The OS is OpenEmbedded |
| 21:35.34 | AStorm | google knows |
| 21:35.42 | AStorm | and terminfo/curses/termcap too |
| 21:35.50 | AStorm | you have to toggle a terminal flag |
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| 21:36.30 | RST38h | Can't find it |
| 21:36.42 | RST38h | Proly don't know the right magic words |
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| 21:38.46 | AStorm | hint: X/Open specification |
| 21:39.26 | AStorm | http://www.usenet-forums.com/linux-general/96908-possible-hide-cursor-console-mode.html |
| 21:39.29 | AStorm | first hit |
| 21:39.33 | RST38h | aha |
| 21:39.34 | AStorm | you are *really* lazy |
| 21:39.46 | RST38h | I am. |
| 21:39.49 | AStorm | and my hint about terminfo was good too |
| 21:39.54 | RST38h | way too many things on my hands :( |
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| 21:42.09 | RST38h | naaah, tput did not do a thing |
| 21:46.00 | AStorm | it should |
| 21:46.01 | AStorm | hmm |
| 21:46.21 | AStorm | it works in my console (linux) |
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| 21:46.35 | AStorm | unless your terminfo database is broken |
| 21:46.53 | AStorm | then, complain to the distro author |
| 21:46.55 | AStorm | :P |
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| 21:51.16 | RST38h | AStorm: Not possible. |
| 21:52.25 | AStorm | maybe terminal doesn't support it, but that's very unlikely |
| 21:55.23 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:55.30 | woglinde | busbox problem? |
| 21:57.10 | woglinde | intressting in both mapages |
| 21:57.20 | woglinde | civis and cnorm is not described |
| 21:58.10 | AStorm | because it's just setting a feature |
| 21:58.35 | AStorm | it is mentioned in man terminfo here |
| 21:58.36 | AStorm | :) |
| 21:58.44 | AStorm | full name is cursor_invisible |
| 21:59.38 | AStorm | tcap codes are civis=vi and cnorm=ve |
| 21:59.58 | RST38h | AStorm: It is OpenEmbedded. God knows how their terminal is implemented. |
| 22:00.12 | RST38h | I cannot even find a device node corresponding to it |
| 22:00.29 | RST38h | all I know is that it shows a login: message and a blinking cursor |
| 22:02.11 | AStorm | BrokenEmbedded you say? :> |
| 22:02.34 | woglinde | he |
| 22:02.36 | AStorm | obviously, for tput to work, you have to be logged in |
| 22:03.03 | AStorm | in the meantime, could someone still build me xinetd? |
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| 22:03.23 | woglinde | rst we are wokring with water and fire only |
| 22:03.37 | woglinde | so nothing special about terminal |
| 22:03.54 | woglinde | rst are you using the angstroem image for the n810? |
| 22:09.44 | RST38h | woglinde: no, it is a completely different device |
| 22:10.01 | RST38h | AStorm: I am logged in, to the */dev/console*, no more no less :) |
| 22:10.12 | RST38h | apparently the lcd display is some other dev |
| 22:10.14 | AStorm | :> |
| 22:10.20 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:10.20 | RST38h | not tty0 and not tty1, I checked |
| 22:10.26 | AStorm | hack on hack on hack |
| 22:10.32 | AStorm | does /dev/fb* exist? |
| 22:10.46 | AStorm | if not, then the console is done as a driver directly |
| 22:10.53 | AStorm | and not framebuffer |
| 22:10.56 | AStorm | = evil |
| 22:11.07 | woglinde | hm by the way robert hacked up a recipe for openjdk and icedtea |
| 22:11.33 | woglinde | that means java 1.6 on embedded devices |
| 22:11.34 | woglinde | haha |
| 22:12.02 | RST38h | AStorm: fb0 exists |
| 22:12.13 | RST38h | AStorm: No shit, Sherlock... |
| 22:12.43 | RST38h | ~burn Java for being a self-important piece of shit |
| 22:12.44 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over Java for being a self-important piece of shit, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 22:15.54 | RST38h | is pushing this poor board to the last drop of performance |
| 22:17.18 | AStorm | RST38h: well |
| 22:17.23 | AStorm | it should work then |
| 22:17.36 | AStorm | if TERM=linux and terminfo database is installed |
| 22:18.07 | RST38h | no, fb0 does not seem to implement it |
| 22:18.44 | RST38h | 16fps hehe |
| 22:18.45 | AStorm | hm, weird |
| 22:19.09 | AStorm | well, if linux is implementing the console itself... then it should work |
| 22:19.21 | RST38h | I will do sound first, then wrestle input API specifics from the board manufacturer and then look at the fucking cursor |
| 22:19.26 | AStorm | (and it is, running on framebuffer... or not?) |
| 22:19.36 | RST38h | it is |
| 22:19.48 | RST38h | but the /dev/console appears to be routed to the serial port |
| 22:19.54 | AStorm | ahha |
| 22:20.03 | AStorm | so you should use tput with certain arg |
| 22:20.59 | RST38h | I tried. |
| 22:21.00 | AStorm | ah, still, it should set the terminal which tty gives |
| 22:21.11 | AStorm | what does tty say? |
| 22:21.12 | RST38h | I also tried echo to various ttys |
| 22:21.16 | RST38h | No effect. |
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