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| 00:17.39 | lardman | hey ssvb |
| 00:18.47 | ssvb | aha, not sleeping yet? |
| 00:18.59 | lardman | nah, hacking away at barcode app |
| 00:19.37 | lardman | anyway, did you see my message from last night? |
| 00:19.43 | ssvb | regarding sbc encoder, it's a bit broken now, but there is a hope |
| 00:20.10 | lardman | that patch produces nicer sound |
| 00:20.25 | ssvb | it needs a bit more patches |
| 00:20.39 | ssvb | I sent one more fix today |
| 00:20.45 | lardman | I was going to try to work out if the constants are correct for the existing implementation, as per your hint, but have no idea what the author was doing |
| 00:20.51 | lardman | ah ok, will have a look see |
| 00:21.13 | ssvb | you can just forget about existing implementation |
| 00:21.31 | ssvb | a new one is going to be a lot better |
| 00:22.32 | lardman | well that's good news |
| 00:23.04 | ssvb | I thought that you might consider joining linux-bluetooth mailing list |
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| 00:23.24 | ssvb | after all, you are working on a port for C55x |
| 00:24.13 | lardman | yes I ought to really, I didn't think sbc was getting any attention though, hence my not getting round to it |
| 00:24.51 | lardman | hmm casting as 64bit int won't work for me |
| 00:25.03 | ssvb | 40 bit is enough |
| 00:25.19 | lardman | I could do saturated arithmetic in hw? |
| 00:25.20 | ssvb | actually even 33 (or 34) would do :) |
| 00:25.27 | lardman | :) |
| 00:26.07 | ssvb | saturated arithmetic is not needed here |
| 00:27.03 | lardman | fine |
| 00:27.16 | lardman | how much of an improvement does your bitpacking patch make? |
| 00:27.23 | ssvb | btw, have you benchmarked fully 16-bit version of filter? |
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| 00:27.33 | lardman | not really |
| 00:27.55 | ssvb | bitpacking overhead depends on the bitrate |
| 00:27.58 | lardman | ah, 16bit version? As in all data <=16bit? |
| 00:28.16 | ssvb | yes |
| 00:28.48 | ssvb | all the data and constants are 16-bit already, they are just using a bit wrong types (wider than needed) |
| 00:29.12 | lardman | that is interesting, I was going to look at that |
| 00:29.21 | lardman | the output and input types are 32bit though |
| 00:29.30 | ssvb | input data is 16-bit |
| 00:29.51 | ssvb | it is just converted to 32-bits for no reason |
| 00:30.10 | lardman | yep |
| 00:30.20 | lardman | atm I'm running everything in 32bit mode |
| 00:30.38 | lardman | but switching to 16bit would be good, to allow some better hw optimisations, etc |
| 00:30.53 | ssvb | you can try some variation of http://marc.info/?l=linux-bluetooth&m=122946734112418&w=2 |
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| 00:31.38 | lardman | I'd not seen that email |
| 00:31.45 | lardman | must subscribe |
| 00:32.25 | ssvb | 'sbc_encoder_state->X' type can be converted to int16_t |
| 00:32.47 | ssvb | but a lot more optimizations can be still applied to this function |
| 00:32.50 | lardman | yep I saw that |
| 00:32.57 | lardman | ok, I'll take a look at it tomorrow |
| 00:34.20 | lardman | hmm, I tried the fp version from btsco, but no output yet |
| 00:35.31 | derf | Wait, someone's actually working on maemo-barcode? |
| 00:35.51 | lardman | yeah, in a branch |
| 00:36.18 | Macer_ | hi |
| 00:36.22 | GAN800 | Time to change the name. :p |
| 00:36.34 | Macer | hi |
| 00:36.47 | lardman | yeah, I know |
| 00:36.50 | derf | "Barcode for Yer Mother" |
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| 00:37.14 | GAN800 | 'Barcode yer Mother' |
| 00:38.41 | lardman | right, is getting late here, time for bed |
| 00:38.43 | lardman | night all |
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| 00:39.56 | Macer | hm.. think i just bricked my n800 :) |
| 00:39.59 | Macer | heh |
| 00:40.13 | Macer | oh.. maybe not |
| 00:44.21 | derf | Try harder. |
| 00:44.43 | Macer | blah.. was kind of hoping they fixed the microb/zimbra bug |
| 00:44.46 | Macer | guess not |
| 00:44.50 | Macer | damn you maemo |
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| 00:51.43 | Macer | anybody know how i map the email client's sent folder to the sent folder on my imap server? |
| 00:51.55 | Macer | it doesn't seem to put a copy on my imap server |
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| 00:57.07 | andre__ | hmm. fixing the mail notifications for qa contacts will turn this into a long night... sigh. |
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| 00:59.15 | zakkm | Stskeeps, GeneralAntilles, lcuk, qwerty12 : one of you here? |
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| 01:05.25 | ds3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.02 | cyrus___ | solca - are you around |
| 01:14.20 | andre__ | X-Fade: those whining messages - do you still get them? what's the exact sender address? i have the feeling that it's the test bugzilla installation triggers them |
| 01:35.02 | Sakkath | i lost my charger and bought a $10 charger for nokia devices from a store. yesterday my n800 fell like 2 feet off a couch and hit the charger, it broke. i just exchanged it saying it came broke. now my n800 will hardly hold a charge. it won't stay on and charge at the same time, it dies very quickly---about as long as i've had it charging. |
| 01:35.32 | Sakkath | is it the charger? did maybe something inside get damaged? |
| 01:36.13 | Sakkath | i would imagine it should always be able to stay on when it's plugged in |
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| 01:44.10 | johnx | if the charger won't supply it enough power to charge the battery and run the system it will end up running down the battery even while plugged in |
| 01:45.06 | Sakkath | so it's the charger.... |
| 01:45.17 | Sakkath | the one that i had yesterday (the same one) before it broke, worked fine |
| 01:45.31 | Sakkath | battery was dead for a LONG time, plugged it in and used it fine |
| 01:45.41 | Sakkath | so there's no possibility of internal damage that would cause anything like that? |
| 01:46.09 | Sakkath | johnx: you're a great helper =] btw found a way to get socks to work, because the browser is gecko based, was able to use about:config to set it for the browser. also pidgin has socks support so that's pretty much everything i need |
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| 01:47.49 | Vulcanis | eww, don't use pidgin |
| 01:47.56 | Sakkath | ..i'm just saying |
| 01:48.00 | Sakkath | what else would i use o.o |
| 01:48.03 | Vulcanis | I wonder if the rtconn patch has socks support |
| 01:48.47 | Sakkath | ok i have to go for now, ping me if you have a response. bye |
| 01:48.50 | Vulcanis | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21302 |
| 01:48.59 | Sakkath | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.59 | Sakkath | 20:48 < Vulcanis> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21302 |
| 01:49.03 | Sakkath | oops.... |
| 01:49.22 | Vulcanis | that puts most of the stuff pidgin can do, in the Chat app |
| 01:49.23 | johnx | mornin' all |
| 01:49.29 | Vulcanis | Hello |
| 01:50.09 | Vulcanis | Sakkath: no idea if that supports SOCKS, though, but it seems to have most of the pidgin default plugins' functions |
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| 02:28.07 | ShadowJK_ | sighs |
| 02:28.13 | ShadowJK_ | remind me to never visit itt |
| 02:29.26 | johnx | yeah, problem is, fun stuff shows up there from time to time |
| 02:29.51 | johnx | you just can't get sucked into the other stuff... |
| 02:30.45 | ShadowJK_ | ... So I saw the flashing red exclamation mark, and that it was SSU. I wondered how much free space on / I need and if the upgrade is going to hose anything... who would know... Oh, those folks at itt maybe. So I tap in the address, get the front page, then everything locks up. The back of the tablet starts getting hot, sure sign that it's swapping heavily. As by some miracle, I don't get brutally murde |
| 02:30.51 | ShadowJK_ | red by the watchdog, and the tablet eventually after 5 minutes or so recovers. I check, and swapfile usage has ballooned to 70 megs. srsly, you'd think a page for tablet users would be safe for tablet users. |
| 02:31.18 | johnx | heh |
| 02:31.21 | johnx | I blame the browser |
| 02:32.22 | ShadowJK_ | You can make any browser on any system die |
| 02:32.39 | ShadowJK_ | or rendered unusable.. |
| 02:32.44 | Vulcanis | this one is just easier than most. |
| 02:32.49 | johnx | and IMHO that should be considered a bug |
| 02:33.37 | johnx | no surprise that things as complex as browsers have lots of bugs. |
| 02:33.48 | ShadowJK_ | The page is too complex |
| 02:34.07 | johnx | well, I agree with that too. did you try the other themes? |
| 02:34.13 | ShadowJK_ | looks like ff3 on my sempron3100 needs several cpu seconds to display it too |
| 02:35.45 | ShadowJK_ | no I closed it in disgust before accidentally triggering any potential hidden javascript bombs that would have the watchdog murder me :-) |
| 02:36.21 | johnx | if they'd get to even a slightly newer ff3 the js performance would improve by maybe an order of magnitude |
| 02:36.22 | ShadowJK_ | these things tend to come in pairs :-( memory hogging complex website paired with cpu guzzling javascripts :) |
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| 02:54.07 | johnx | actually, testing ITT on my n800 now, you didn't have flash enabled, did you? |
| 02:54.11 | pupnik_ | hate such websites |
| 02:55.28 | johnx | Nokia finally totally nailed the SSU update procedure |
| 02:56.26 | johnx | looks smooth for everyone, even dual-booters O_o |
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| 03:00.27 | ShadowJK_ | I don't have flash enabled, no |
| 03:00.50 | johnx | it's really not that slow here |
| 03:00.56 | johnx | definitely not 5 minutes of hanging |
| 03:04.07 | ShadowJK_ | might've been some of the background daemons triggering at the same time which made the swapping all that worse, which would've also triggered the attempt to display the "not responding" notice for every single program, which would have slowed it down a magnitude more :) |
| 03:04.36 | johnx | yeah, when I first join a wifi hotspot my tablet goes nuts for a while :) |
| 03:05.14 | johnx | I actually enjoy it though, because I can be assured that even if I only connect for a minute or so I'll have my email, weather updates and fresh RSS entries to read |
| 03:05.25 | ShadowJK_ | but srsly, every time this happens I just get the feeling that whoever wrote that landing page should be confined to using a 770 with microb. Make it work fast on that, it should work acceptable on a wide range of things |
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| 03:06.13 | ShadowJK_ | hm |
| 03:06.19 | johnx | I can't imagine microb on a 770 would be fast enough for anyone's web page |
| 03:06.30 | johnx | I mean it's a web browser not a microb page :P |
| 03:06.40 | johnx | the browser needs to pick up the slack |
| 03:07.57 | ShadowJK_ | At that point people would just use the browser on their desktop machines, and write pages that instead of being instant on the average desktop, are almost instant or need "just" a few seconds. When you then put that page on machine with much less ram and CPU, we're back to where we started. |
| 03:08.34 | johnx | I'll get slaughtered over this but here it is: luckily we have iphone users on our side |
| 03:09.02 | ShadowJK_ | ipod and wii too |
| 03:09.48 | johnx | well if you're included the wii you might as well include WebTV :P |
| 03:10.34 | johnx | but I think the iphone is the force to be reckoned with. just glad that it helps rather than hurts us |
| 03:10.35 | ShadowJK_ | When I upgraded to ff3 it was awesomely fast and the CPU hogging problems of ff2 were gone. Now however I'm encountering more and more pages that trigger the "Javascript is taking too long to execute" message with ff3. I guess webdesigners upgraded to ff3 and Q6600 and use that as baseline for their crud |
| 03:10.55 | johnx | ah, prolly not. you should check your extensions |
| 03:11.09 | johnx | I had to go on an extension cleansing crusade a while ago |
| 03:11.27 | ShadowJK_ | session manager |
| 03:11.43 | ShadowJK_ | (because ff still crashes) |
| 03:11.44 | johnx | greasemonkey? adblock? |
| 03:11.50 | ShadowJK_ | nope |
| 03:11.59 | johnx | session manager is really it? |
| 03:12.29 | johnx | why not try ff3's builtin session manager? |
| 03:12.50 | ShadowJK_ | it forgets sessions :( |
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| 03:13.08 | johnx | sorry, all I have to offer is a "works here" :/ |
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| 03:17.27 | ShadowJK_ | On another note, SSU has never failed for me so far ;) |
| 03:17.39 | ShadowJK_ | shall try the recent one after work today |
| 03:18.34 | TrueJournals | Well, now you've jinxed it |
| 03:19.21 | ShadowJK_ | :) |
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| 03:57.22 | dick-richardson | what was the xml file a person needs to edit to add reboot, etc. to the power button menu? |
| 03:57.50 | dick-richardson | my google searches must be phrased poorly :/ |
| 03:58.06 | TrueJournals | dick-richardson: /etc/systemui/systemui.xml |
| 03:58.13 | TrueJournals | Just remove the lines <!-- and --> |
| 03:58.15 | dick-richardson | thank you! |
| 03:58.23 | TrueJournals | No problem |
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| 04:01.07 | Vulcanis | Hrm, anyone have a tutorial for installing+booting to an alternate operating system on the tablet? I know theres easydebian, but I'd kinda rather have the two separate |
| 04:01.41 | Vulcanis | I'll probably find it searching, though I'm pretty sure I tried quite hard earlier today. But I will look tomorrow when I am not 90% asleep, I guess. |
| 04:02.10 | johnx | want something ready-to-go or do you want to hack on something? |
| 04:02.22 | TrueJournals | Vulcanis: I could be mistaken, but doesn't easy debian install and run in its own SD card partition? Or does that run a chroot? |
| 04:02.46 | Vulcanis | its a chroot |
| 04:02.52 | TrueJournals | Ah, it's deblet that runs on its own |
| 04:03.08 | Vulcanis | Probably. I cannot remember. |
| 04:03.10 | johnx | yeah, deblet and mer. and someone is working on gentoo (!) |
| 04:03.13 | Vulcanis | John: Either works. |
| 04:03.31 | Vulcanis | ready-to-go is probably just as good, but I'm willing to spend time making it work |
| 04:03.42 | TrueJournals | Vulcanis: check out deblet at http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet there are some pretty good instructions there |
| 04:03.47 | johnx | and the other question is: what do you want to run on it? |
| 04:04.06 | Vulcanis | Thanks, True. |
| 04:04.20 | Vulcanis | John: The n800 for now |
| 04:04.29 | TrueJournals | On it, not it on :-P |
| 04:04.34 | johnx | like in terms of software? :P |
| 04:04.40 | Vulcanis | Oh |
| 04:04.45 | johnx | kde? gnome? maemo UI on debian/ubuntu? |
| 04:04.47 | Vulcanis | run ON it, not run it on. see, I told yo uI was asleep |
| 04:04.52 | Vulcanis | I really have no idea currently |
| 04:04.58 | Vulcanis | probably whatever's fastest |
| 04:04.59 | johnx | just to play then? |
| 04:05.08 | Vulcanis | Eh, for now. Eventually I'll start using it for more. |
| 04:05.14 | TrueJournals | I tried deblet on my n800 a little while ago, and it worked pretty well... the only problem I had was it couldn't connect to my network with a hidden SSID... |
| 04:06.03 | johnx | yeah, get your feet wet with deblet for now. Hopefully we'll get closer to a proper installer for Mer soon |
| 04:06.34 | Vulcanis | Oh, I didn't know mer was even an option at this point. Good to know they're that far along, at least. |
| 04:07.14 | johnx | well, it's going to be bootable soon for playing with. |
| 04:07.19 | johnx | things will be missing of course |
| 04:08.26 | johnx | nothing is ever simple or easy :/ |
| 04:08.43 | Vulcanis | Eh, I came into the tablet "scene" thinking that. |
| 04:08.49 | johnx | great |
| 04:08.51 | Vulcanis | so nothing new there. |
| 04:09.06 | click170 | Hey guyz n galz. Does anyone know why I would be getting this message when I try and do an 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get -f install' ? "The package metalayer-crawler0 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." |
| 04:09.36 | Dracie | weee |
| 04:09.38 | Dracie | ewww* |
| 04:09.44 | Dracie | metalayer the battery eater |
| 04:09.51 | johnx | Dracie, it doesn't anymore |
| 04:09.55 | Dracie | really? |
| 04:09.58 | Dracie | yay! |
| 04:10.06 | johnx | been fixed for months |
| 04:10.18 | Dracie | johnx i have been out of the loop for like every now |
| 04:10.42 | click170 | Thats fantastic and all, except it doesn't seem to be ^entirely^ fixed lol. I cant do any upgrades or anything because.... I duno maybe the repo is down? That cant be it |
| 04:11.18 | Dracie | wouldn't it just say then couldn't connect to (url) |
| 04:11.25 | johnx | click170, what version of OS2008 do you have? |
| 04:11.39 | click170 | I believe the latest, the Diablo one ? |
| 04:12.02 | click170 | You want a 'uname -a' ? |
| 04:12.03 | johnx | and did you uninstall metalayer crawler manually at some point? |
| 04:12.10 | click170 | No, not to my knowledge |
| 04:12.15 | click170 | this is practically a fresh install |
| 04:12.21 | johnx | well, that's odd |
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| 04:12.35 | click170 | I've installed ssh, gained root access..... and installed a couple other packages like pptpclient or whatever to play with, havent gotten there yet |
| 04:12.48 | johnx | the other thing being that you probably don't want to apt-get upgrade, use application manager instead |
| 04:13.26 | click170 | I tried, it told me I had an upgrade. "Great" I thought, so I tried to upgrade using App Manager. But it failed. Thusly, I dropped to CLI to actually get some debug output from the darn thing |
| 04:13.43 | johnx | it has a log right in the menu... |
| 04:13.51 | click170 | Does it now |
| 04:13.54 | click170 | News to me |
| 04:13.54 | click170 | lol |
| 04:14.23 | johnx | hang on, I'll see if it's available from some repo I have setup... |
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| 04:15.02 | click170 | ill do the upgrade through AppMan again and check the output it leaves in the in-app log |
| 04:15.29 | johnx | yeah, just pop back into app man and make sure the catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com repo isn't disabled or something |
| 04:15.33 | click170 | Hm.. Now I get a different message. |
| 04:15.39 | johnx | metalayer-crawler comes from there |
| 04:16.11 | click170 | The update appears much smaller, a mere 21Kb compared to the multi megabyte one before, and it says "Unable to updateOS2008 Feature upgrade. Some application packages required for the update are missing." |
| 04:16.14 | click170 | That doesn't sound good |
| 04:16.42 | johnx | yeah, don't do that :) |
| 04:17.19 | click170 | Its missing the packages bluez-utils icd2 mce mediaplayer-daemon metalayer-crawler0 ossso-obexserv and tablet-browser-daemon |
| 04:17.31 | johnx | ok, check that repo I asked you about |
| 04:18.25 | click170 | what does it appear as in the Catalogs list? |
| 04:18.32 | click170 | None of them show the url |
| 04:18.53 | johnx | should be called Nokia Catalog |
| 04:19.21 | click170 | Their there and they aren't disabled |
| 04:19.26 | click170 | they're* |
| 04:19.55 | johnx | ok, so from the CLI, try apt-cache policy metalayer-crawler0 |
| 04:21.08 | click170 | metalayer-crawler0: |
| 04:21.08 | click170 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.08 | click170 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.08 | click170 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.08 | click170 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.09 | click170 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.43 | johnx | ok, well it should be coming from that http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com repo |
| 04:22.14 | johnx | make sure that "Nokia Catalog" has "http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com" and "Components: user" |
| 04:22.16 | click170 | does that mean I should be seeing that url where /var/libdpkg/status is? |
| 04:22.24 | click170 | Yep, it does. |
| 04:22.41 | johnx | what happens when you run apt-get update |
| 04:22.50 | johnx | does it update successfully? |
| 04:23.11 | click170 | Its http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ for clarity's sake |
| 04:23.31 | johnx | yes |
| 04:25.30 | click170 | http://pastebin.ca/1288323 |
| 04:25.34 | click170 | A couple failed urls |
| 04:25.39 | click170 | nothing looks critical |
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| 04:27.30 | johnx | hmm |
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| 04:28.09 | johnx | ah, a thought :) |
| 04:28.59 | click170 | I'm on the edge of my seat |
| 04:29.06 | johnx | me too |
| 04:29.51 | johnx | ok, I had the wrong repo I guess, the updates one has metalayer-crawler |
| 04:30.08 | johnx | check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 04:30.23 | click170 | You want I should pastebin it? |
| 04:30.28 | johnx | do you have: deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./ |
| 04:30.37 | johnx | yeah, pastebin might be good |
| 04:30.41 | johnx | I'll pastebin mine too |
| 04:31.12 | click170 | http://pastebin.ca/1288327 |
| 04:31.16 | click170 | k |
| 04:31.40 | johnx | http://pastebin.ca/1288328 |
| 04:31.50 | johnx | O_o |
| 04:31.51 | johnx | wow |
| 04:31.58 | johnx | that's crazy |
| 04:32.01 | click170 | what'd I do |
| 04:32.11 | click170 | oh |
| 04:32.11 | click170 | I see |
| 04:32.16 | johnx | 54 lines of repos :) |
| 04:32.24 | johnx | going for a record? |
| 04:32.51 | click170 | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 04:32.58 | click170 | I didn't think it was anything special lol |
| 04:33.15 | johnx | you installed everything from gronmayer? |
| 04:33.16 | click170 | What can I say, they had a 'select all' button, couldn't help myself lol |
| 04:33.31 | johnx | and thus your current situation. :) |
| 04:33.50 | click170 | Figured it was the best way to get a feel for the different apps people had ported to it. Its not like the Debian repos where they are nice and centralized |
| 04:34.00 | johnx | it is now though |
| 04:34.04 | click170 | Oh? |
| 04:34.11 | click170 | Alrighty then. |
| 04:34.17 | johnx | almost everything in those repos is in extras or extras-devel now |
| 04:34.24 | click170 | Sweet, I didnt know that. |
| 04:34.29 | johnx | and people holding out are being pressured to conform :) |
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| 04:35.01 | click170 | I'd say people should take it upon themselves to package the apps and put them into the centralized repo instead of pushing for the app dev to do it, but hey whatever. |
| 04:35.20 | johnx | volunteering? |
| 04:35.22 | johnx | :D |
| 04:35.26 | click170 | lol Touche |
| 04:35.35 | johnx | lots of people are, yes |
| 04:36.26 | johnx | would you do me a favor and check what version you have in control panel -> about product? |
| 04:37.22 | click170 | Internet Tablet OS: Maemo linux based OS2008, Version: 4.2008.36-5 |
| 04:37.36 | click170 | Gremlins? |
| 04:37.54 | johnx | did you flash directly to that version? or did you update inside app man from an earlier diablo? |
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| 04:38.16 | click170 | I recall applying at least one system update via Application Manager post flashing |
| 04:38.39 | click170 | This before the system update that appears to have dropped me into this predicament |
| 04:39.07 | johnx | so then you did a system update that didn't complete? |
| 04:39.42 | click170 | Well, this one. I just tried to apply it, and it failed, then I dropped to the CLI etc etc, you know the rest |
| 04:40.13 | johnx | at some point you lost your entry for nokia updates |
| 04:40.21 | click170 | Gremlins. |
| 04:40.28 | johnx | failed update |
| 04:40.44 | johnx | ~40 something gremlins all starting with the word "deb" :) |
| 04:40.47 | click170 | system updates modify the apt source files? |
| 04:40.51 | click170 | lol |
| 04:41.07 | johnx | yeah, Nokia's distro != debian |
| 04:41.14 | johnx | they do some "clever" stuff |
| 04:41.34 | click170 | clever. Right. |
| 04:41.44 | click170 | Looks at the broken system in his hands |
| 04:41.47 | johnx | sooo, if I were you and I felt adventurous, I'd backup anything you care about, add deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./ |
| 04:42.24 | johnx | then before you open app man again, run apt-get update, apt-get -f install |
| 04:42.34 | click170 | Fantastic. I don't have anything I care about on there yet |
| 04:42.40 | johnx | then just reflash |
| 04:42.44 | johnx | really |
| 04:42.53 | johnx | reflash and only add repos as you need them |
| 04:42.56 | click170 | But that way looks much more exciting... Ill reflash if this doesnt work |
| 04:43.02 | johnx | fair enough |
| 04:43.12 | click170 | where do I add that repo to? |
| 04:43.19 | johnx | might set yourself up for pain if something is subtly broken later though |
| 04:43.23 | johnx | the same list you showed me |
| 04:43.26 | click170 | k |
| 04:43.38 | click170 | What device do you have? I've got the N810 |
| 04:43.42 | johnx | n800 |
| 04:43.51 | click170 | Ever considered putting Debian on it? |
| 04:44.01 | johnx | I did, January of 2008 |
| 04:44.13 | click170 | ! Tell me, what do you think? |
| 04:44.18 | johnx | Working on the Mer project now, Ubuntu+Nokia's Maemo UI |
| 04:44.33 | johnx | here's what I think: Desktop user interfaces on touchscreen devices kind of suck |
| 04:45.11 | click170 | Lucky for me I have the n810 with the tactile keyboard, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten an internet tablet. Its main purpose for me is as a portable terminal |
| 04:45.12 | johnx | and getting decent battery life while using apps not designed with power savings in mind is just really difficult |
| 04:47.11 | johnx | if you're really just going to be on the CLI the whole time, and you're willing to suspend-to-RAM instead of keeping the tablet always-on, then yeah, debian might be an option for you |
| 04:47.13 | pupnik_ | click170: customized your keymap yet?. |
| 04:47.41 | click170 | pupnik_: No. Have you? What did you change? |
| 04:48.02 | pupnik_ | added | and tab |
| 04:48.06 | click170 | johnx: Debian and suspend-to-ram? Isn't that taboo or something? lol |
| 04:48.18 | click170 | I've never tried it |
| 04:48.26 | johnx | should work with some hacking |
| 04:48.30 | pupnik_ | brb foodz nom nom |
| 04:48.40 | click170 | pupnik_: what did you map them to? |
| 05:08.22 | pupnik_ | click170: tab=fn+space, |=fn+z |
| 05:08.35 | pupnik_ | there was a nice blog post about it |
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| 06:17.04 | serrano | I have just upgraded my N800 with the last system upgrade (by clicking this damn orange icon) and my N800 is no longer able to connect to the wifi!!! I'm I the only one facing this problem. It there any one here with a suggestion? Thanks in advance. |
| 06:26.15 | sp3000 | can't find any references to that |
| 06:26.40 | sp3000 | but things like symlinks in mydocs had an issue with the earlier update |
| 06:28.23 | sp3000 | "apt-get -f install" probably finished the upgrade, and "flash-and-reboot" eventually to install a downloaded kernel update |
| 06:29.02 | sp3000 | ah, bug 3750 |
| 06:32.16 | serrano | Sorry I don't understand you. It is this an answer to my question? (I feel stupid, sorry)... |
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| 06:35.37 | serrano | I don't know if this is related to my problem but "apt-get -f install" fails with "E: The package metalayer-crawler0 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archvie for it." |
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| 06:42.17 | dick-richardson | anyone having problems w/openssh and the latest firmware? |
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| 06:59.42 | kleist | hello all, is there an IRC client for the N810 ? |
| 06:59.51 | qwerty12 | xchat which is in extras |
| 06:59.57 | qwerty12 | *diablo extras |
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| 07:00.00 | kleist | wow - thx |
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| 07:40.02 | Meiz_n810 | what's the difference between osso-software-version-rx44 and the unlocked one? |
| 07:40.50 | qwerty12 | unlocked uses >= as opposed to = (normal one) so you can install higher versions of system stuff without apt-get going all screwy on you about dependencies |
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| 07:43.23 | Meiz_n810 | k |
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| 08:17.12 | StsN800 | GAN800, quim mailed that its forwarded to legal btw, and proposals are better off in wiki than trying to make legal join mailing list;) |
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| 08:29.56 | johnx | hey StsN800 |
| 08:30.03 | johnx | how goes the apartment cleaning? :D |
| 08:30.15 | StsN800 | not out of bed yet |
| 08:30.25 | johnx | ahaha |
| 08:30.34 | RST38h | moo, johnx, sts |
| 08:30.41 | johnx | I need coffee before I can even cope with IRC. I guess I've degenerated more than you :) |
| 08:30.46 | johnx | m00f RST38h |
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| 08:33.42 | StsN800 | johnx: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-community/2008-December/002813.html |
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| 08:34.09 | StsN800 | has been fwded to legal |
| 08:34.46 | johnx | an interesting solution |
| 08:35.01 | johnx | also something we wouldn't be able to do if we wanted to be part of debian/ubuntu |
| 08:35.21 | johnx | I mean, I think we made the right choice in being autonomous because it leaves us these options |
| 08:35.36 | StsN800 | well this is just for the specialized nokia images |
| 08:36.11 | johnx | well yeah, but the ubuntu (and especially) debian guys would probably have a fit over something so non-free |
| 08:36.17 | StsN800 | you can do a lot of solutions with this model |
| 08:37.21 | StsN800 | f.x user downloadable tar.gz of firmware |
| 08:38.33 | StsN800 | and a mer release wouldn't require being run on maemo.org |
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| 08:39.10 | RST38h | makes a suggestion on where to stick those debian guys |
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| 08:39.18 | StsN800 | but if we want to add closed bits, it has to be generated on maemo.org |
| 08:40.31 | johnx | RST38h, it's good to have people pushing for "freeness" to counteract all the commercial interests |
| 08:41.46 | StsN800 | it also makes it possible to retrieve a common kernel plus initfs with closed bits, so all dists don't have to limit on functionality cos their os is fully oss |
| 08:42.19 | RST38h | johnx: religious fervor is never good |
| 08:42.31 | johnx | Stskeeps, good point as well |
| 08:42.59 | StsN800 | cos we'd see a long time waiting if we had to wait for relicensing of hw vendor firmwar |
| 08:43.26 | johnx | RST38h, you're right of course, but not everyone interested in free software is a zealot, even some of the people who are "far left" :) |
| 08:44.05 | RST38h | johnx: I specifically mean the debian cabal |
| 08:44.13 | RST38h | not everyone |
| 08:44.35 | johnx | RST38h, and I'm saying, not everyone involved with Debian is automatically a zealot |
| 08:44.54 | johnx | some of them are just being practical about things and taking the longer view |
| 08:45.13 | StsN800 | its just the zealots wjo |
| 08:45.20 | johnx | Stskeeps and I are of course heretics taking the short term view. :) maybe hedonists |
| 08:45.26 | StsN800 | who are most noticable |
| 08:45.34 | RST38h | satanists maybe? =) |
| 08:46.21 | johnx | resurrecting dead ARM hardware with arcane rituals and incantations in the middle of the night? does sound familiar |
| 08:46.29 | StsN800 | i am willing to sell my soul, yes |
| 08:46.58 | derf | Is anyone willing to buy? |
| 08:46.59 | johnx | heh, I'm not selling my soul. I'm keeping it locked up in a safe in case I want to use it later. keeps it clean too :D |
| 08:47.07 | RST38h | In order to make a good cybersatanist you should resurrect at least an IBM370 |
| 08:47.34 | johnx | RST38h, http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml |
| 08:47.41 | RST38h | dead ARM hardware makes you that Reanomator movie guy, at best |
| 08:47.50 | RST38h | Reanimator, sorry |
| 08:48.03 | RST38h | johnx: Umgh |
| 08:48.26 | johnx | did you miss that 4 years ago? |
| 08:48.29 | johnx | it's classic |
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| 08:48.52 | StsN800 | if i had a bt keyboard i wouldn't get out of bed except for nutritution |
| 08:48.53 | RST38h | I vaguely remember it |
| 08:49.20 | johnx | StsN800, let me guess: cold apartment? |
| 08:49.21 | RST38h | Sts: you forgot something. |
| 08:49.34 | StsN800 | johnx, yes |
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| 08:49.38 | StsN800 | atm |
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| 08:50.01 | StsN800 | RST38h, and bathroom, true |
| 08:50.44 | johnx | yeah, coming from the US I was not reading for the world without central heating running all the time |
| 08:51.02 | johnx | s/reading/ready/ |
| 08:52.13 | StsN800 | sideeffect of gf not wanting server standing in apt means it gets loads colder |
| 08:52.43 | RST38h | johnx: Funnily, I never had central heating inthe US |
| 08:52.52 | derf | johnx: It would work better if not for the paper-thin walls. |
| 08:53.12 | RST38h | johnx: It was always an AC/Heating unit |
| 08:53.17 | johnx | derf, I am luckily in a brand shiny new apartment with halfway decent heat retention |
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| 08:53.43 | johnx | RST38h, don't you love the idea of a heating unit up by the ceiling? sooo useful |
| 08:53.55 | derf | That's crazy talk. I assume they still do stuff like vent the bathroom directly to the outside. |
| 08:53.57 | johnx | or did you have a window-mounted one? |
| 08:54.05 | johnx | derf, yeah :( |
| 08:54.16 | johnx | and I didn't spring for a heated seat |
| 08:54.29 | derf | God bless the Japanese. |
| 08:54.37 | RST38h | johnx: for me, it was usually the wrong temp relay location |
| 08:54.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:55.00 | RST38h | johnx: never managed to maintain correct temperature throughout the house |
| 08:55.12 | johnx | RST38h, I have an AC unit basically inches from the 10ft high ceiling |
| 08:55.27 | johnx | works *great* for AC, does *nothing* for heating the place |
| 08:55.33 | RST38h | johnx: Route a huge pipe! =) |
| 08:55.33 | pupnik | just run more computers |
| 08:55.35 | johnx | the south facing window saves me though |
| 08:55.45 | RST38h | has got water heating now |
| 08:55.53 | RST38h | Works like a charm |
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| 08:56.17 | johnx | I will never rent/buy a place without a south facing window (N latitude) |
| 08:56.42 | RST38h | noooooooo... |
| 08:56.45 | pupnik | good point johnx |
| 08:56.49 | derf | South facing window is like free money. |
| 08:57.10 | RST38h | btw, why SOUTH facing and not WEST or EAST? |
| 08:57.19 | derf | Because it's cold in the _winter_. |
| 08:57.28 | derf | When the sun is always in the south. |
| 08:57.29 | johnx | RST38h, because the sun is always to the south at NOON |
| 08:57.38 | RST38h | Ah |
| 08:57.40 | RST38h | ok |
| 08:58.28 | johnx | and I get sunlight from sunrise to sunset through some kind of incredible good luck in street layout |
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| 08:59.27 | RST38h | absolutely hates direct sunlight through windows. Makes summer unbearable. |
| 08:59.37 | johnx | curtains |
| 08:59.45 | johnx | you put them between you and the sun |
| 08:59.50 | johnx | I can draw a diagram |
| 09:00.01 | RST38h | no light then =) |
| 09:00.07 | RST38h | at all. |
| 09:00.08 | johnx | au contraire |
| 09:00.27 | johnx | two sets, one that's semi-transparent, one that's "black-out" |
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| 09:00.36 | RST38h | ah |
| 09:00.46 | RST38h | way to complicated for me =) |
| 09:00.53 | johnx | came with the apt |
| 09:00.58 | johnx | never would have thought of it :D |
| 09:01.42 | johnx | and had no idea what direction the window was facing either until I tried to figure out why I was getting such nice sunlight last winter |
| 09:01.44 | johnx | ahaha |
| 09:02.37 | RST38h | lucky |
| 09:03.19 | johnx | very much so. looks like I'm paying off my luck-debt this month though :/ |
| 09:03.50 | johnx | I was wondering what would happened if I burned too much of it |
| 09:03.52 | RST38h | read "lcuk-debt" |
| 09:04.06 | johnx | heh, I do owe him a beer I'm sure |
| 09:04.23 | Stskeeps | mm, laptop, coffee and breakfast. |
| 09:04.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: any luck on memtest? |
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| 09:05.10 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, ran fine for 7 hours with a size of 32MB |
| 09:05.16 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 09:05.25 | johnx | zaurus was nice and warm |
| 09:05.26 | Stskeeps | solar flare measurements? |
| 09:05.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:05.52 | johnx | I'm telling you, this has got to be in one of the libs *or* gcc |
| 09:05.57 | johnx | that last idea scares me though |
| 09:06.07 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:06.09 | RST38h | Sharp stopped making them, just days ago |
| 09:06.27 | johnx | well, they've been winding down for a couple years |
| 09:06.32 | RST38h | sapwood bug? |
| 09:06.49 | RST38h | if it is gcc, there is relatively easy way to test it |
| 09:06.58 | johnx | RST38h, ok, shoot |
| 09:07.39 | RST38h | recompile for the oldest ARM arch it supports, optimizations off |
| 09:07.49 | RST38h | see if the resulting binary runs well |
| 09:07.52 | johnx | yeah, the noopt build had issues |
| 09:08.01 | johnx | well, the noopt build of gtk+ had issues |
| 09:08.11 | RST38h | if it does, gradually up arch type until you reach your target arch |
| 09:08.25 | johnx | that's the other problem: the sapwood code looks way to simple for a bug like this to hide in |
| 09:08.33 | RST38h | johnx: You can do the same with optimizations on |
| 09:08.48 | johnx | then I already did the test |
| 09:08.52 | derf | johnx: I've been able to trip gcc compiler bugs on ARM with _extremely_ simple code. |
| 09:09.01 | johnx | debian's version is baseline armv4t EAVI |
| 09:09.03 | derf | 3.4.4 is basically unusable, it's so bad. |
| 09:09.15 | johnx | EABI I mean of course |
| 09:09.19 | derf | I have no idea how the system runs at all. |
| 09:09.35 | johnx | well, this is across multiple versions of gcc 4.x |
| 09:09.50 | derf | Okay. 4.x has been much better, for me. |
| 09:10.13 | johnx | anyways, free shell access for anyone who wants to see this creepy problem :) |
| 09:10.18 | derf | I'm just saying that it doesn't take complex code to trip gcc up. |
| 09:11.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: mm, im pondering if we can do any sort of buffer overrun detection |
| 09:11.03 | derf | Like, I think almost every version of gcc until maybe 4.2 mis-optimized -abs(x) as abs(-x). |
| 09:11.35 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 09:11.38 | Stskeeps | that's bad |
| 09:11.44 | derf | Yet no one noticed! |
| 09:12.12 | derf | I think it was actually more subtle, like -abs(x) worked, but y-abs(x) was transformed to y+abs(-x). |
| 09:12.18 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 09:14.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: yes, ssh would be nice :P i have an hour to blow anyway |
| 09:14.43 | Stskeeps | got gdb and such? |
| 09:14.53 | johnx | yup, I'll give you root anyways |
| 09:15.04 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 09:15.23 | Stskeeps | so we have the following bug: 100% sapwood server, and which? |
| 09:15.27 | derf | Ah, no, it was -constant*abs(x) got transformed to abs(-constant*x), but y-constant*abs(x) worked as expected. |
| 09:15.28 | johnx | thanks for looking at this by the way :) |
| 09:15.44 | derf | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=34130 |
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| 09:15.56 | johnx | the easiest one to reproduce with very little code seems to be having sapwood load any image file |
| 09:15.56 | Stskeeps | derf: sounds like a lovely bug |
| 09:16.10 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: If Nokia legal is slow, we can always make a script which downloads the firmware image, extracts the goodies and repacks a new MER firmware image. |
| 09:16.15 | johnx | the png isn't loaded and the widget *of course* fails to draw correctly |
| 09:16.27 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: At the user's local machine.. |
| 09:16.28 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, - but still need some degree of licensing for that :P |
| 09:16.43 | Stskeeps | if we go completely by the book |
| 09:16.45 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well technically the user just downloads the image.. |
| 09:16.51 | X-Fade | But yeah.. |
| 09:17.08 | Stskeeps | tablets-dev isn't a maemo.org site is it? .. not sure how tightly knit it is :) |
| 09:17.12 | X-Fade | Although there has been talk to relicense a lot of things, so I think it will come.. |
| 09:17.15 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:17.28 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: tablets-dev is deliberately a Nokia site. |
| 09:17.37 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 09:17.56 | X-Fade | I don't have access to that one for instance. |
| 09:18.01 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: quim forwarded it to legal (sent a private mail to me), so we'll see what happens |
| 09:18.06 | X-Fade | To keep a clear separation. |
| 09:18.21 | Stskeeps | they might be slightly more inclined towards maemo.org than towards X weird project :P |
| 09:18.45 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: As I replied on the list, we can set that up easily. |
| 09:18.48 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 09:18.52 | X-Fade | Just need the OK ;) |
| 09:19.15 | X-Fade | And it seems that everything shuts down the coming 2 weeks, so ;) |
| 09:19.16 | Jaffa | lardman's points about compatibility will be more important |
| 09:19.53 | Jaffa | doesn't want to see lots of ITT threads saying "well, just install the Mer image" if it's not diablo or fremantle compatible to a large extent. That's exactly the split which would break things. |
| 09:20.07 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: obviously, and i would hate that situation myself |
| 09:20.07 | Jaffa | Of course, if Mer is good enough to be considered a Maemo 5 HE, then I'm less worried |
| 09:20.20 | X-Fade | Yeah, and we don't want to recompile everything either. |
| 09:20.36 | Stskeeps | being able to actually put it out for testing legally will help too :P |
| 09:20.41 | X-Fade | Although we might want to think about how we will separate downloads. |
| 09:20.54 | Stskeeps | but in this very minor case, it's stuff like firmware i'm targetting |
| 09:21.03 | X-Fade | For instance Fremantle/N900 and Fremantle/MER ? |
| 09:21.29 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: think we'll just claim Fremantle != Mer, but Mer includes some fremantle components |
| 09:21.33 | X-Fade | The downloads sections needs a big reorg.. |
| 09:21.34 | Stskeeps | fremantle is nokia's offering |
| 09:21.59 | Stskeeps | and if we design things right, if you write for maemo platform, you write for mer as well |
| 09:22.24 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, we can setup a mer target in the autobuilder too. |
| 09:22.29 | Stskeeps | true |
| 09:22.40 | Stskeeps | but honestly, it's all a big unknown right now, but i know where i would like it to go |
| 09:22.51 | X-Fade | So if one uploads the application to the autobuilder, it gets build on your sdk too ;) |
| 09:23.06 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 09:23.39 | Stskeeps | i still have to figure out what to do about i386 sdk. sb is kinda odd when it comes to just working as a glorified chroot |
| 09:23.54 | X-Fade | It would be pretty awesome if the community could get that whole thing to work though.. |
| 09:24.34 | Stskeeps | hehe. i'm even impressed with how much people make work of our quite not-so-easy-to-setup demo image |
| 09:25.02 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Imagine what you will get if you do get the image ;) |
| 09:25.20 | Stskeeps | yeah.. that's what we're warming up to atm |
| 09:25.51 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: But there is nothing stopping you for making the firmware image for private use ;) |
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| 09:26.22 | Stskeeps | yeah - meiz did this with themes and icons and such |
| 09:26.52 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/Screenshot-10.png |
| 09:26.55 | Stskeeps | i could really be fooled. |
| 09:27.01 | X-Fade | Can anybody confirm that bug #3566 hasn't been fixed in the last SSU? |
| 09:27.20 | X-Fade | Yeah.. |
| 09:27.40 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: think GA had similar problem |
| 09:27.59 | X-Fade | I reopened it anyway :) |
| 09:28.07 | RST38h | X-Fade: It did not disable Extras for me |
| 09:28.41 | RST38h | (if you mean the last ssu of course) |
| 09:28.48 | Stskeeps | it probably looks for GA's MAC to see if it should irritate him :> |
| 09:29.01 | X-Fade | RST38h: What do you have in the distribution field of that catalog? |
| 09:29.07 | X-Fade | RST38h: Mine is empty. |
| 09:31.19 | RST38h | mine is empty too and that is correct |
| 09:31.54 | X-Fade | RST38h: And the Catalog name? "maemo Extras" |
| 09:32.22 | RST38h | yes |
| 09:32.30 | X-Fade | Weird.. |
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| 09:55.40 | woglinde | hi |
| 09:56.07 | johnx | hi |
| 09:56.12 | Belagern | hi |
| 09:56.34 | woglinde | does some have a kernel and modules with mppe enabled? |
| 09:56.54 | woglinde | actual one |
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| 10:00.02 | woglinde | hms |
| 10:00.05 | woglinde | cant flash here |
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| 10:02.33 | woglinde | okay |
| 10:02.34 | woglinde | bye |
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| 10:04.00 | jagernot | morning all. im trying to upload my boxar app into extras. ive got the invite but my pgp key is invalid says the account maintenance page. |
| 10:04.02 | jagernot | any ideas/ |
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| 10:04.37 | X-Fade | jagernot: does your key depend on other keys? |
| 10:05.16 | jagernot | thanks X-Fade. i dont know. i just followed the instructions over at uploading to extras wiki page. how do i find out anyway? |
| 10:05.30 | X-Fade | And is you clock set correctly? |
| 10:05.57 | jagernot | clock shows current time over here |
| 10:06.02 | X-Fade | Ok ;) |
| 10:06.41 | X-Fade | Can you mail me the key you pasted in the form? niels at maemo. |
| 10:07.15 | X-Fade | That way I can see why it isn't accepted. |
| 10:07.16 | lcuk | johnx, RST38h ooooh yeah you can both pay off my debts :D |
| 10:07.44 | lcuk | hi jager, X-Fade |
| 10:08.00 | johnx | lcuk, ha! I'll buy you a beer. that's the limit of my generosity |
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| 10:08.14 | lcuk | X-Fade, why is december shutting down for 2 weeks any different to you recently :P |
| 10:08.27 | lcuk | johnx, ok ill bill you for the flight over to come pick it up |
| 10:08.56 | X-Fade | lcuk: I didn't. Was down for a few days, but worked from bed. Just didn't feel like answering mails :) |
| 10:09.10 | johnx | lcuk, that would be like the least successful billing attempt ever :P |
| 10:09.17 | lcuk | heh, "working from bed" good job we know you are technical |
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| 10:10.17 | lcuk | of course not johnx, i would bill you easily but whether you listen is another issue :P |
| 10:10.48 | johnx | lcuk, even if I wanted to pay for some strange reason my bank would laugh at me :P |
| 10:11.20 | lcuk | your bank manager has hand hovering over trapdoor button whenever you are near :D sounds just like mine |
| 10:12.40 | lcuk | anyway, cant stop. jagernot, you generate your pgp key in normal linux outside of scratchbox otherwise you end up with something invalid |
| 10:13.09 | lcuk | it moaned at me multiple times until i did it directly from the standard console on ubuntu |
| 10:13.20 | lcuk | anyway, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:13.25 | johnx | 'later lcuk |
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| 10:15.36 | jagernot | hi X-fade: i have emailed you my key |
| 10:15.48 | jagernot | lcuk, i did it outside scratchbox.. |
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| 10:17.40 | X-Fade | jagernot: ok, the problem was that this key has 4 keys in it ;) |
| 10:18.12 | jagernot | 4 keys?! |
| 10:18.14 | jagernot | how.. |
| 10:18.38 | X-Fade | jagernot: 5C997937, 4979134E, FE078C2E, B6BF845E |
| 10:18.53 | jagernot | scratches his head |
| 10:18.54 | X-Fade | I have imported it manually now. |
| 10:19.27 | X-Fade | jagernot: I'll set your account to 'Accepted'. |
| 10:19.45 | jagernot | no wait .. |
| 10:19.57 | jagernot | which key should i use? |
| 10:19.58 | X-Fade | jagernot: Please set your ssh key here: https://garage.maemo.org/account/index2.php |
| 10:20.26 | X-Fade | Any of the 4 ;) |
| 10:20.51 | X-Fade | There were 3 keys for you already imported on the 15th.. |
| 10:20.59 | X-Fade | And one now on the 18th. |
| 10:21.23 | X-Fade | 1024D/B6BF845E is the last one. |
| 10:21.24 | jagernot | how did u get the key ids the 5C997937 etc? |
| 10:21.42 | jagernot | yeah i tried 3 times on 15th and once now and it said all invalid while accepting it?! |
| 10:22.01 | X-Fade | jagernot: It seems that it only accepts one key at a time. |
| 10:22.25 | X-Fade | So if you would have tried another time, it would have succeeded ;) |
| 10:22.28 | jagernot | anyhow so if i use the last one it will let me upload i assume? |
| 10:22.39 | X-Fade | Yes. |
| 10:22.50 | jagernot | ok thanks X-fade for your help |
| 10:23.00 | jagernot | i will let u know :) |
| 10:23.35 | X-Fade | jagernot: np. |
| 10:31.47 | RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/america-needs-a-new-religion-lets-pick-a-pantheon/all/1/ |
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| 10:44.44 | aquatix | all of you installed the latest update already? |
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| 10:46.09 | Meiz_n810 | jagernot: u alive?? |
| 10:50.25 | jagernot | yes Mei |
| 10:50.28 | jagernot | wassup |
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| 10:54.49 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ping |
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| 10:58.05 | jagernot | Meiz_n810: i see you want me..how can i help |
| 10:58.34 | click170 | I just tried to do a system update, and the message I got is "Unable to update OS2008 Feature upgrade. Update file corrupted." |
| 10:59.18 | Stskeeps | click170: better than getting reboot loops :P |
| 10:59.57 | johnx | click170, reflash! |
| 11:00.29 | click170 | I just did... this is literally a fresh install. |
| 11:00.35 | click170 | It could only be fresher out of the box lol |
| 11:00.35 | johnx | ah |
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| 11:00.48 | click170 | Im trying again, its redownloading. I'm skeptical. |
| 11:00.55 | johnx | why didn't you just flash up to the latest one? |
| 11:01.09 | click170 | Well if this doesn't work thats going to be the next step isn't it |
| 11:01.12 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:01.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:01.26 | click170 | anyone have the link to the page for the image download? |
| 11:01.37 | Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 11:01.47 | johnx | http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/ |
| 11:01.50 | johnx | either works I guess |
| 11:01.50 | click170 | cheers |
| 11:03.40 | click170 | anyone care to volunteer their opinion of Maemo's Skype? I was in a call earlier, a long call, the call ended, and some time later I noticed the cpu was still pinned. It looked Skype related... its also never happened before |
| 11:04.44 | johnx | been using it for almost 2 years |
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| 11:05.01 | Stskeeps | click170: i use it to talk to my gf in berlin, seems to work "ok" :P |
| 11:05.06 | johnx | my onl complaint is call quality sometimes being crap depending on the internet connection and also unrelated factors |
| 11:05.18 | johnx | s/unrelated/unknown/ |
| 11:05.26 | click170 | call quality I definetly noticed. I was wondering if it was the Mic |
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| 11:05.29 | pcfe | prefers the SIP client, works like a charm. |
| 11:05.36 | johnx | I use a bt headset |
| 11:06.02 | pcfe | call quality with the N800 provided headset is impeccable |
| 11:06.04 | johnx | certainly not up to the quality of 3G voice, but it's the right price |
| 11:06.26 | click170 | I use Skype on my Macbook, and the quality is perfect, so I can cross off 'internet connection'. Whatever though, it works |
| 11:06.31 | pcfe | call quality on both Skype and SIP will go down dramatically on bad connections (low bandwidth or, worse, high latency) |
| 11:07.12 | pcfe | when using SIP and having a router that does l7 filtering, it helps tremendously to prioritise the traffic |
| 11:07.25 | click170 | Do you have a suggestion for that pcfe? |
| 11:07.36 | pcfe | click170: does your router run openWRT? |
| 11:07.44 | click170 | I use a linux box as my gateway. |
| 11:08.02 | pcfe | click170: standard kernel does not have the l7 filtering patches. You can do two things |
| 11:08.20 | pcfe | 1) apply the patches and have the pain to re-apply them at each kernel update |
| 11:08.36 | pcfe | 2) cheat (I do that) and just prioritise the IPs of all devices you do SIP on |
| 11:08.51 | click170 | pcfe I use Debian, not some silly bleeding edge distro like Ubuntu, kernel updates arent a problem. |
| 11:09.15 | click170 | pcfe: I was hoping you had a script of program loll cool though |
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| 11:09.27 | pcfe | but 2) works well for me as I have one device that does nothing but SIP, so fine to prioritise all it's traffic and the N800 does not hoover so much bandwith that it would matter that it's prioritised (i.e. will not distuirb anything else) |
| 11:10.25 | pcfe | click170: I can dig out the wondershaper instructions for fedora, they should apply to debian provided you do not expect the packages to install to have the same name, but that's what apt-cache serach is for |
| 11:10.26 | pcfe | mompls |
| 11:10.41 | click170 | Meh, been there done that got the wondershaper t-shirt. wasnt impressed |
| 11:10.50 | pcfe | http://www.harald-hoyer.de/linux/traffic-control |
| 11:10.56 | pcfe | that's the script |
| 11:11.17 | pcfe | tagging [ackets via iptables must be done otherwise tc does not know what to do obviously |
| 11:11.50 | pcfe | click170: alternative (debian build tools are quite OK to apply patches) is to get l7-filter from sourceforge |
| 11:11.56 | click170 | ... are you sure? I thought tc can classify traffic on its own based on things like source address |
| 11:12.14 | pcfe | click170: and then extract the filter script from the OpenWRT wiki and adjust it to your box (should be not too hard) |
| 11:12.25 | click170 | l7 filter, are you talking about QoS, as in the TOS field in the packet header? |
| 11:13.06 | pcfe | click170: could be, I tag them with iptables and then let tc work with the tags |
| 11:13.59 | pcfe | click170: yes, but not QOS in a way that you depend on the next upstream router to understand it, but rather so that your own router knows to prioritise certain packet types over others |
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| 11:19.46 | fnordianslip | hi all, is there an updated bootmenu.deb from penguinbait yet for latest SSU, or is none required and current one will do? Reading itT implies that an updated one is needed, but not yet available |
| 11:20.28 | Stskeeps | nop, he's not out with it yet |
| 11:20.38 | Stskeeps | both fanoush's and my .deb version with bootmenu.d items is out |
| 11:22.01 | GAN800 | X-Fade, m-vo mentioned something about it being FIXED but the fix will only take effect after the second update. |
| 11:22.19 | fnordianslip | Stskeeps: ah ok. i noticed your deb and gave it a whirl, but it didn't pick up on my root fs on my mmc1. Do I have to manually edit something with yours to put the menu entry in? |
| 11:22.27 | X-Fade | GAN800: Yes, I have been corrected already ;) |
| 11:23.05 | X-Fade | GAN800: I should have read the bug history again. Duh... |
| 11:23.22 | GAN800 | stabs tz |
| 11:23.44 | GAN800 | He's completely ignored the fact that he put a non-user/ package in user/ |
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| 11:24.04 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: yeah, make a .item in /etc/bootmenu.d/NAME.item , on the following form (http://rafb.net/p/MQyCaY80.html) |
| 11:24.17 | Stskeeps | and run refresh_bootmenu.d |
| 11:24.40 | GAN800 | We really need a unified bootmenu |
| 11:24.43 | Stskeeps | next time a SSU destroys your bootmenu, simply install the new .deb, install bootmenu, and your items are back |
| 11:25.02 | GAN800 | 3 options that basically do little more than confuse people. . . . |
| 11:25.25 | fnordianslip | Stskeeps: tnx. will have a go. |
| 11:25.46 | Stskeeps | i've tried prodding penguinbait about adopting bootmenu.d, but it was a bit like banging my head into a table with needles laying about on it. |
| 11:25.58 | johnx | GAN800, you're right! I'll design a 4th "unified" bootmenu that's better! |
| 11:26.18 | fnordianslip | lord of the bootmenus ? |
| 11:26.20 | Stskeeps | GAN800: saw my comment that quim has passed the proposal on to legal? |
| 11:26.35 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, yeah |
| 11:26.38 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:27.13 | GAN800 | johnx, assuming it invalidates all three others, yeah. . . . :/ |
| 11:27.23 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm personally waiting for solca's :P |
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| 11:29.50 | johnx | GAN800, well, no. it will just be incompatible and called "unified" |
| 11:30.47 | GAN800 | johnx, do you actually prefer having to troubleshoot for a bunch of different bootmenus (where'd all that sarcasm come from :\)? |
| 11:33.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: the zaurus runs well now? |
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| 11:34.04 | johnx | Stskeeps, you left that fixed sapwood installed right? |
| 11:34.06 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:34.11 | Stskeeps | in /root/p/v |
| 11:34.27 | johnx | I'll play a little bit more then |
| 11:34.29 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:35.09 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm really afraid to actually submit the patch for sapwood though as i'm entirely unsure why the heck this thing happens as per my knowledge, shit like this shouldn't happen :P |
| 11:35.32 | Stskeeps | maybe the PXA has a bad ushort->uint conversation |
| 11:35.58 | GAN800 | Somebody should probably file an enhancement for an interface to change boot images without them being trashed every update. |
| 11:35.59 | johnx | well if something similar was actually happening on the 770... |
| 11:36.36 | johnx | GAN800, now that will definitely go straight to "fixed in fremantle" |
| 11:36.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, wasn't the initfs flashing shot down like that? |
| 11:37.26 | Stskeeps | GAN800: the idea solca's working on with kexec and such can help a lot of these problems :P |
| 11:38.32 | Stskeeps | ponders idly |
| 11:38.54 | GAN800 | johnx, well, of course, but since I'm planning on buying an RX-51. ;) |
| 11:39.39 | Stskeeps | glares idly at the ipaq sitting on top of his router |
| 11:39.51 | johnx | Stskeeps, 320x240, right? |
| 11:39.55 | Stskeeps | true |
| 11:40.11 | Stskeeps | and armv4 |
| 11:40.24 | Stskeeps | i think |
| 11:40.44 | Stskeeps | ARM SA1110 is armv4 isn't it? |
| 11:40.48 | johnx | yeah |
| 11:40.53 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:40.56 | johnx | right before the "t" |
| 11:41.05 | johnx | so, no EABI for that little thing |
| 11:42.56 | Stskeeps | what does a zaurus have anyway? |
| 11:43.11 | johnx | depends: there were lots |
| 11:43.16 | Stskeeps | .. yours, then |
| 11:43.28 | johnx | I have a 5500 with a SA1100 |
| 11:43.38 | mgedmin | the SSU update error message is braindead |
| 11:43.43 | johnx | and the one I want maemo on is a C1000 with a PXA270 |
| 11:43.49 | towo | Just dist-upgrade from the shell. |
| 11:44.16 | mgedmin | if it needs libc6 =2.5.0-1osso9 because libc6-dbg requires that exact version, it shouldn't say libc6 is "missing" |
| 11:44.19 | johnx | dist-upgrade is not recommended |
| 11:44.46 | GAN800 | mgedmin, yes, everybody (including Nokia) knows the error reporting sucks. |
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| 11:45.14 | GAN800 | towo, dist-upgrade with the SDK repo enabled == brick |
| 11:45.14 | mgedmin | do they know how to fix it? |
| 11:45.19 | Stskeeps | just upgraded the components he was interested in, one at a time, since he royally messed up his syste |
| 11:45.22 | Stskeeps | m |
| 11:45.24 | GAN800 | towo, please don't recommend it. |
| 11:45.36 | mgedmin | apt-brick dist-upgrade |
| 11:45.56 | mgedmin | declines to make a backup before the SSU upgrade, because It Will Surely Just Work(TM) |
| 11:46.02 | GAN800 | mgedmin, make the errors more accurate? By 'they' you mean 'Marius', so yes. |
| 11:46.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: we should -definately- name our unstable release 'brick' |
| 11:46.11 | johnx | GAN800, bleh. :P calling something recoverable a brick is confusing |
| 11:46.30 | mgedmin | true |
| 11:46.34 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, I have all these neat logo ideas :D |
| 11:46.34 | mgedmin | soft-brick? |
| 11:46.37 | GAN800 | johnx, shorter than reboot loop and I'm tired of this finger keyboard atm. |
| 11:46.48 | towo | GAN800: Well, yes, but then again, who in their right minds has the SDK catalogue selected and no clue how to upgrade? |
| 11:46.56 | johnx | GAN800, b0rken |
| 11:47.10 | mgedmin | towo: people who believe the advice they get on the Internet, of course |
| 11:47.15 | johnx | towo, potentially people you're giving advice to |
| 11:47.41 | johnx | fring enables the sdk catalog, yes? |
| 11:47.41 | lcuk | hiya marius :) hope you are well. just flying past and spotted you |
| 11:47.41 | lardman | wonders why install files which enable repos seem to create new ones (they probably search for matching repo names, not details) |
| 11:47.42 | GAN800 | towo, people who tap on Fring's .install for one. |
| 11:47.49 | mgedmin | hi, lcuk |
| 11:47.56 | towo | Uuuh. |
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| 11:48.05 | GAN800 | lardman, correct. |
| 11:48.06 | towo | Well, someone should say hello to the fring guys then.. |
| 11:48.23 | GAN800 | towo, I've tried and failed on several occassions. |
| 11:48.23 | mgedmin | irc just helped me (yay searchable irc logs, I should thank whoever's responsible for them ;-) |
| 11:48.29 | johnx | also, lots of people might have it enabled by accident or because someone else was giving them advice |
| 11:48.31 | Stskeeps | the seperation of tools and os is stupid anyhow |
| 11:48.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:48.34 | mgedmin | so I though I'd participate more actively for an hour or two |
| 11:48.45 | towo | has to remember the phrase Death used in Hogfather... "But what if they hurt themselves?" "THAT WILL BE A VALUABLE LESSON." |
| 11:48.54 | mgedmin | which, unfortunately, means more sarcastic comments for y'all |
| 11:49.00 | lcuk | mgedmin, don't advertise them too much ;) |
| 11:49.26 | mgedmin | learned the value of saving the file you're editing every 30 seconds after a valuable lesson like that |
| 11:49.54 | johnx | towo, if they hurt themselves, great. if you give them advice on this channel that breaks things, not great. |
| 11:49.57 | towo | I learnt that back in the days on a 486, when Master of Magic crashed after two hours of gaming. |
| 11:50.16 | towo | johnx: Truth be told, I didn't know about the SDK-nonbooting. |
| 11:50.30 | johnx | right, "now you know!" :D |
| 11:50.53 | lcuk | wonders what the load average of mg.pov.lt is :P |
| 11:52.07 | mgedmin | lcuk: 1.11, 0.60, 0.37 |
| 11:52.07 | GAN800 | wonders why #3933 is crit/high |
| 11:52.07 | lcuk | gosh darn it, bbl. not bad, must do more |
| 11:52.07 | mgedmin | yay, the SSU added a contacts applet on my desktop, unasked |
| 11:52.08 | mgedmin | how helpful |
| 11:52.30 | RST38h | always does that |
| 11:52.30 | towo | reconfig of the hildon package for the desktop |
| 11:52.34 | towo | adds default conf. |
| 11:52.49 | towo | johnx: Then again, one could expect that, since it's like inviting experimental unto your Debian box, but then again, it shouldn't happen when installing normal software like Fring.. |
| 11:53.41 | johnx | towo, right. and other people providing advice may tell users to enable sdk repo to get a certain program |
| 11:54.15 | johnx | there are other ways for a dist-upgrade to go wrong too, and there are lots of other repos users could have enabled |
| 11:56.29 | GAN800 | Somebody want to dive in on this one? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3930 |
| 11:56.42 | GAN800 | I'm quite certain that's no blocker. |
| 11:57.22 | GAN800 | The summary is inaccurate, too. |
| 11:57.53 | Stskeeps | isn't it about lynching those who put wrong bluez-utils in user/? |
| 11:58.34 | GAN800 | libc6, so it's the -dev or -dbg version of the package that needs to be uninstalled |
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| 11:59.13 | GAN800 | But, yes, somebody needs to go kill tz on -developers for trying to blame Nokia for his own screw up. |
| 12:00.19 | lardman | GAN800: prepare your verbal salvo then |
| 12:00.34 | Stskeeps | ponders how hildon would do as a netbook distro |
| 12:00.41 | Stskeeps | got an old via c3 machine i want to try |
| 12:01.21 | GAN800 | lardman, I'd need a real keyboard first. :p |
| 12:01.27 | lardman | lol |
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| 12:03.40 | lardman | I don't really understand what he's saying |
| 12:03.52 | lardman | there's 7 in the repo, but 6 is installed by the update? |
| 12:06.11 | lardman | what's the url of the sdk repo? |
| 12:08.01 | lardman | hmm, that is curious, the update has installed bluez-utils-3.28-0osso6 while the repo contains bluez-utils-3.28.-0osso7 |
| 12:09.10 | click170 | Anyone know of a way to mount an nfs share from maemo? |
| 12:10.53 | mgedmin | had a reaction like lardman's: what in heck was that email was trying to say? |
| 12:12.59 | lardman | for one thing his dep issue can be sorted out with judicious use of >= in the control file |
| 12:13.21 | lardman | but the rest of the email does have some meaning, as there's no source for the installed version of bluez-utils |
| 12:13.36 | lardman | that's my take on it anyway, after some thought and searching too! |
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| 12:19.49 | johnx | it's always annoying when the people with the least to say end up getting so much attention :/ |
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| 12:22.12 | Stskeeps | hm, does mytube etc use flash plugin? |
| 12:22.30 | johnx | nope |
| 12:22.36 | johnx | it extracts flv streams |
| 12:22.42 | johnx | AFAIK |
| 12:23.01 | GAN800 | mplayer |
| 12:23.05 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 12:23.19 | johnx | ah, just passes the whole swf to mplayer lets it cope? |
| 12:23.36 | Stskeeps | just pondering about quim's reply with regards to 3rd party. would something along the lines of updates repo do the trick for 3rd party nokia stuff? |
| 12:23.57 | Stskeeps | .. one way to deal with that problem i guess |
| 12:25.34 | lardman | otherwise each user would need to extract those items from an image |
| 12:25.42 | aquatix | upgrades to latest OS update |
| 12:25.43 | lardman | which could be automated |
| 12:25.55 | Stskeeps | mm. |
| 12:26.07 | Stskeeps | updates repo is much easier, exists already ;> |
| 12:26.42 | lardman | true, does it contain all of the binaries in question, or just those that have been updated? |
| 12:26.51 | Stskeeps | it contains everything, i believe |
| 12:27.11 | lardman | fair enough, sounds ideal then |
| 12:27.26 | lardman | the other option is the sdk binaries package I suppose |
| 12:27.39 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 12:27.46 | lcuk | om nom nom: the food for this winter is baked potatoes :) |
| 12:28.39 | aquatix | ooh |
| 12:28.45 | lcuk | wont these repositories with nokia specific distro stuff on the updates be on nokias servers, and technically they could filter out requests which werent coming from default stock maemo image |
| 12:28.47 | aquatix | lcuk: mixes well with bacon ;) |
| 12:29.13 | lcuk | ill try that aquatix but ive had a bit of a fetish recently for jakcets with cheese n beans |
| 12:29.23 | aquatix | heh :) |
| 12:29.24 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i think that's how it's supposed to work but it's not very damn well hidden.. |
| 12:30.13 | aquatix | isn't that fond of beans |
| 12:30.19 | lcuk | hidden or not reading the mail from quim makes me feel we would have problems trying to automate inclusion of nokia licensed code |
| 12:30.36 | lcuk | ie the flash player etc |
| 12:30.52 | lcuk | aquatix, beans are good for you |
| 12:31.04 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, that's why i went "3rd parties?" in my original mail |
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| 12:31.13 | lcuk | yes agreed |
| 12:31.16 | aquatix | lcuk: good for the afterburner effect too ;) |
| 12:31.49 | aquatix | goddamn |
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| 12:31.55 | lcuk | Stskeeps, it is almost as if we would have to negotiate and obtain licenses from the 3rd parties themselves |
| 12:31.58 | aquatix | was updating his tablet from ssh |
| 12:32.02 | aquatix | Stopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd2 |
| 12:32.05 | aquatix | *sigh* |
| 12:32.21 | lcuk | who wants to contact adobe? |
| 12:32.34 | timeless | what's wrong w/ adobe? |
| 12:32.50 | lcuk | nothing at all |
| 12:33.02 | Stskeeps | lcuk: well. |
| 12:33.03 | RST38h | þÄÒØÏ |
| 12:33.04 | fnordianslip | Stskeeps: Thanks for the info above...now updated both installs and booting nicely of the card, although I made life hard for myself and did everything in the most inefficient order, requiring much faffing around |
| 12:33.09 | RST38h | Flash |
| 12:33.13 | click170 | are you kidding? "whats wrong with adobe?" lol |
| 12:33.20 | lcuk | we are discussing inclusion of 3rd party stuff in mer which is extracted from the maemo default |
| 12:33.22 | Stskeeps | lcuk: if we can get distribution ability with wifi firmware, that's enough |
| 12:33.37 | Stskeeps | (and bluetooth) |
| 12:33.41 | RST38h | while(gettimeofday()<something) {} <== that is what is wrong with adobe |
| 12:33.43 | Stskeeps | of the 3rd party stuff |
| 12:33.45 | timeless | hey, i talk w/ adobe at times, quite a few people |
| 12:33.53 | timeless | and they're fairly responsive/friendly :) |
| 12:34.05 | timeless | wonders if they fixed the last issue |
| 12:34.10 | Stskeeps | yeah, hmm, weren't there coming a ARM port of flash or something? |
| 12:34.14 | Stskeeps | according to rumours |
| 12:34.16 | lcuk | timeless, agreed, most people are |
| 12:34.21 | Stskeeps | (i know maemo has one, but a public one) |
| 12:34.29 | suihkulokki | lcuk: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200811/111708ARMAdobeFlash.html |
| 12:34.33 | aquatix | whoa, dpkg seems to just continue, even if the ssh connection fails |
| 12:34.37 | aquatix | interesting |
| 12:34.41 | click170 | timeless: Tell them to fix that painful drop-down menu issue being covered by other content thats been around for ^AGES^ |
| 12:35.06 | aquatix | click170: indeed |
| 12:35.10 | timeless | click170: the last thing i asked them to fix was on http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/releasenotes_64bit.html |
| 12:35.13 | timeless | and it isn't fixed yet :( |
| 12:35.15 | aquatix | but that's a direct rendering issue i think |
| 12:35.34 | timeless | layer'ings a mess |
| 12:35.46 | timeless | how about telling content authors not to use flash near layers :) |
| 12:36.05 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:36.08 | click170 | I duno what it is, but IMO the length its been around doesnt reflect well on Adobe. |
| 12:36.14 | timeless | you're barking up the wrong bug |
| 12:36.15 | aquatix | how about telling them not to use flash ;) |
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| 12:36.21 | lcuk | suihkulokki, wow nice :) doing that direct would ease one aspect for mer |
| 12:36.43 | lcuk | (i always want to type "meh!") |
| 12:36.44 | Stskeeps | lcuk: .. "royalty free for partners" |
| 12:36.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:36.47 | click170 | I actually avoid flash where-ever possible, I use NoScript |
| 12:37.10 | aquatix | has flashblock |
| 12:37.16 | suihkulokki | timeless: <layer><object><embed>... |
| 12:37.18 | lcuk | fixed flashblock once |
| 12:37.27 | lcuk | has his name in the credits :P |
| 12:38.11 | click170 | shakes lcuk's hand |
| 12:38.28 | timeless | do i get points for breaking flashblock? |
| 12:38.34 | timeless | wonders |
| 12:38.34 | lcuk | :D |
| 12:38.40 | timeless | isn't sure, but perhaps |
| 12:38.42 | click170 | lol You can have a single point |
| 12:38.48 | lcuk | lol timeless no you break everything |
| 12:38.50 | click170 | it's halfway to discovering a fix |
| 12:38.57 | lcuk | mumbles something about you breaking liqbase at the summit |
| 12:39.03 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:39.09 | lcuk | flashblock doesnt block though |
| 12:39.14 | timeless | hey, it comes naturally |
| 12:39.16 | lcuk | i bet i could make a webworm get through there ;) |
| 12:39.44 | timeless | suihkulokki: so, the keyword is 'optimize' |
| 12:39.56 | timeless | it's not 'release for public users' |
| 12:40.19 | lcuk | content interaction in a webpage should be handled by the core system. if a user says "for XYZ media type show me a clicker" then the flash or whatever should not even be started and should instead just have the clicker |
| 12:40.54 | timeless | <object><object><object><object><img src=goose> |
| 12:41.14 | fnordianslip | hmm. i uninstalled bluez-utils-test to get the SSU installed, and expected to find it in Extras-Devel to reinstall but its not there. any suggestions? i've noticed discussion about bluez-utils-test here, but paid no attention. |
| 12:41.20 | lcuk | you have multiple objections to my idea? :P |
| 12:41.23 | timeless | what do you want to see if there's a WMP, QT, Real, Flash stack |
| 12:41.42 | timeless | (i.e. each object is one of those) |
| 12:42.13 | lcuk | i would personally love to get my head into the core of QT - they have an excellent widget set but too much bloat, i need to clear the way right to the heart of it and see what can be done |
| 12:42.20 | timeless | err |
| 12:42.25 | timeless | that's Qt |
| 12:42.27 | timeless | this is QT |
| 12:42.31 | timeless | silly |
| 12:42.48 | lcuk | ahhh you mean quicktime ;) silly me |
| 12:42.57 | lcuk | is just thinking about such things :) |
| 12:42.58 | timeless | case matters |
| 12:43.08 | RST38h | lcuk: you either use widget set or you don't |
| 12:43.21 | RST38h | lcuk: so, there isn't much to see in the core |
| 12:43.24 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo |
| 12:43.34 | timeless | yeah yeah, been there, done that :) |
| 12:44.55 | lardman | well the gramatical correctness there is arbitrary, especially as buffalo isn't a verb in English |
| 12:44.55 | lcuk | RST38h, of course there is - i have a baseline widget set that runs fast, the core is designed around speed and scales up, i dont understand why i read so much about performance problems. i really need to investigate this further |
| 12:45.20 | lcuk | (perf probs in qt) |
| 12:45.41 | Stskeeps | ok, community people - proposals, where do these belong in wiki? |
| 12:46.21 | lcuk | i think lardmans proposal; went on his fiences finger |
| 12:47.03 | lardman | ? |
| 12:47.24 | lardman | I got the fiance's finger, proposal bit, but did I say something about the wiki? |
| 12:47.32 | lcuk | lol |
| 12:47.42 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, either Task or Objective: depending on scope |
| 12:47.58 | johnx | Stskeeps, everything I've tested looks great so far |
| 12:47.59 | timeless | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/buffalo#Transitive_verb |
| 12:48.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: good :) |
| 12:48.15 | timeless | the reason the sentence is valid is because it *is* a verb |
| 12:48.16 | Stskeeps | GAN800: k, Task:Community_Firmware_Image_Distribution maybe |
| 12:48.40 | GAN800 | Sentence case |
| 12:48.44 | johnx | though sadly Xorg is painfully slow on a zaurus, unless someone does some optimized screen rotation code |
| 12:48.44 | derf | lardman: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/buffalo#Verb would disagree with you. |
| 12:48.50 | lardman | timeless: the first meaning is the only English one then |
| 12:48.59 | Stskeeps | GAN800: k |
| 12:49.00 | lardman | timeless: ;) |
| 12:49.03 | derf | Oh, timeless already did that. |
| 12:49.09 | timeless | derf: not exactly |
| 12:49.14 | timeless | the wikipedia link is bad |
| 12:49.16 | timeless | fix it :) |
| 12:49.26 | derf | Bah, fix it yourself. |
| 12:49.33 | lardman | depends on your definition of English, I define it as the language spoken in England of course |
| 12:49.37 | timeless | but you have the right link! |
| 12:49.54 | lcuk | lardman, which part of england though? :P |
| 12:50.08 | timeless | hampshire |
| 12:50.09 | lardman | the south, no buffalo in the north |
| 12:50.17 | lardman | ;p |
| 12:50.42 | johnx | lardman, come by the US and get someone to buffalo some proper American English into you :P |
| 12:50.55 | lardman | lol |
| 12:50.56 | lcuk | yeah, just goes to show buffalo are wussy as well :P |
| 12:51.06 | lardman | I'll expect someone with an elephant gun? |
| 12:51.09 | johnx | you get to choose whether it's through definition 2 or 3 :D |
| 12:51.56 | mgedmin | derf: sudo fix it |
| 12:54.01 | timeless | grumbles |
| 12:55.14 | GAN8001 | ponders whether or not to address all of the remaining nonsense in the 43-7 thread. |
| 12:55.24 | timeless | You are currently using 3603 MB (49%) of your 7274 MB. |
| 12:55.29 | timeless | 43-7? |
| 12:55.33 | timeless | is that a week-build? |
| 12:55.40 | GAN8001 | Latest SSU |
| 12:56.13 | johnx | that thread started so well too :/ |
| 12:56.16 | derf | mgedmin is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 12:56.35 | not_mgedmin | is hiding |
| 12:56.38 | timeless | lol |
| 12:56.53 | not_mgedmin | is not hiding |
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| 13:00.59 | lcuk | whats the most compatible tablet pc for installing linux on |
| 13:01.23 | timeless | tablet == touchscreen? |
| 13:01.39 | timeless | and compatible = x86? |
| 13:01.55 | lcuk | yeah i cant get a decent omap3 complete package yet |
| 13:01.56 | RST38h | lcuk: compatible with what? |
| 13:02.02 | lcuk | best ill get is scratchbox in a real box |
| 13:02.32 | lcuk | RST38h, something like ubuntu? but touch and power saving and stuff should work |
| 13:02.43 | lcuk | i know if i get a cheap obscure one ill have problems |
| 13:02.52 | johnx | lcuk, usually the thinkpads do well, check thinkwiki.org for gotchas, but they're expensive. tuxmobil.org often has compatibility info / install guides for others |
| 13:02.56 | lcuk | im just thinking baseline compatible so i can install without a fuss |
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| 13:03.39 | lcuk | thanks johnx, i was eying up an x41 |
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| 13:04.16 | johnx | try to stay with intel stuff. the centrino plays really nice with linux |
| 13:04.28 | johnx | except, some people have issues with tv-out |
| 13:04.57 | Stskeeps | mm. |
| 13:05.02 | Stskeeps | ~curse sdvo, intel |
| 13:05.02 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sdvo, intel ! |
| 13:08.59 | StsN800 | lardman, at least its good we get this discussion going |
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| 13:12.30 | StsN800 | would be a bit ironic if we could backport fremantle but not distribute it.. |
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| 13:14.55 | lardman | StsN800: agreed |
| 13:15.09 | aquatix | http://notalwaysright.com/the-final-step-is-acceptance/1394 :) |
| 13:15.10 | lcuk | Stskeeps, it would be best of all to collaborate with the official version and distribute one single image :) |
| 13:15.22 | lardman | StsN800: there will always be a way for people to install the binary only stuff, though, I wouldn't get too hung up on this |
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| 13:16.22 | lardman | goes to grab some lunch & do some dsp programming |
| 13:17.40 | GAN8001 | lcuk, problem is, Flash licensing is for "Diablo + N800/N810", it hasn't been licensed for "Fremantle + N800/N810" |
| 13:18.16 | X-Fade | GAN8001: And certainly not _certified_ for.. |
| 13:18.27 | lcuk | then thats firstly for nokia to decide and iron out |
| 13:18.45 | StsN800 | 's focus is on hw blobs. technical pov |
| 13:18.46 | johnx | lcuk, just like they ironed out the pvr licensing for us? |
| 13:18.50 | timeless | what, nokia should pay to certify flash for a set of software that doesn't exist |
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| 13:19.04 | timeless | when do you expect nokia to do that? |
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| 13:19.49 | timeless | btw, fremantle flash will hopefully not be the same as the flash player for diablo |
| 13:19.55 | timeless | wants a newer version of flash |
| 13:20.57 | GAN800 | timeless, we're not _expecting_ anything, we're talking with Nokia to iron out these details. |
| 13:21.11 | johnx | I want flash to die horribly |
| 13:21.18 | lcuk | in a flash? |
| 13:21.20 | timeless | that's easy to arrange :) |
| 13:22.00 | johnx | timeless, heh...not just in my browser session :P |
| 13:22.30 | timeless | /bin/rm `find / -name '*flashpla*.so*' |
| 13:22.33 | timeless | ` |
| 13:22.58 | timeless | sure, not just you browser session :) |
| 13:23.04 | GAN800 | notices it's rather foggy out. |
| 13:23.25 | johnx | frankly I'd like PDF to go away as much as possible as well |
| 13:23.52 | timeless | sighs |
| 13:23.54 | timeless | typo |
| 13:23.57 | timeless | big typo |
| 13:24.40 | timeless | ok, so, my logic's all wrong :( |
| 13:24.48 | GAN800 | X-Fade, we're gonna have to start handing out rewards for reporting. :P |
| 13:24.59 | X-Fade | Heh ;) |
| 13:25.02 | timeless | gan800: i've sent shirts |
| 13:25.10 | timeless | did you get useful reports somewhere? |
| 13:25.29 | X-Fade | GAN800: I just write these things to see if somebody notices.. |
| 13:25.34 | GAN800 | timeless, Sprint reporting this time. |
| 13:25.49 | GAN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/December_08 |
| 13:26.38 | timeless | anyone here like reading js? :) |
| 13:29.05 | timeless | > JavaScript error: , line 0: uncaught exception: unknown (can't convert to string) |
| 13:29.11 | timeless | yum |
| 13:29.21 | X-Fade | timeless: NULL? :) |
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| 13:31.03 | GAN800 | When did we lose image scaling in MicroB? |
| 13:31.10 | GAN800 | Hi, etrunko. :) |
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| 13:31.38 | etrunko | hi GAN800 GAN800 GeneralAntilles |
| 13:32.05 | GAN800 | spams clones |
| 13:32.34 | johnx | w00! no more image scaling |
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| 13:33.36 | GAN800 | It's obnoxious when you're trying to look at a big picture of the space station and can only see a few hundred pixels at a time. :( |
| 13:33.54 | sp3000 | they should make smaller space stations |
| 13:34.03 | johnx | ah, damn. I thought you mean the ugly picture scaling when all I want is bigger fonts with zoom |
| 13:34.09 | GAN800 | Or smaller cameras |
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| 13:37.40 | StsN800 | a poll on itt to see what 3rd party closed src people use on tablet could be interesting |
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| 13:37.46 | RST38h | or smaller pixels |
| 13:38.17 | RST38h | sts: there are very few options though |
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| 13:38.51 | lardman | hmm, I've only just got 3 screens up and running and I could really do with another one or two |
| 13:39.32 | StsN800 | RST38h, true. skype, flash, codecs |
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| 13:39.46 | StsN800 | rhapsody, gizmo? |
| 13:39.53 | GAN800 | wants 5 |
| 13:40.44 | lardman | I reckon 6 would work well, 2 rows x 3 columns |
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| 13:46.08 | ShadowJK_ | hm, ~/.xchat2 doesn't get backed up by file manager's backup :-( |
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| 14:07.50 | lardman | bloody hell, that new bluez is shocking for sbc |
| 14:08.10 | johnx | fast? |
| 14:08.29 | lardman | no, really slow |
| 14:08.38 | lardman | everything sounds very slow |
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| 14:09.33 | lcuk | lardman, sounds like you have a heroesesq superpower |
| 14:09.34 | johnx | well it's a good thing you're here to save us from it :D |
| 14:10.09 | lardman | I was just trying some different dsp patches and wondering why it all sounded so back all of a sudden |
| 14:10.15 | lardman | and then realised it's not using the dsp at all |
| 14:10.16 | lcuk | have you tried switching your nokia from 33 to 45? |
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| 14:10.58 | ShadowJK_ | hm, did they do stuff to microb in this ssu... |
| 14:11.33 | lardman | lcuk: current ssu you mean? |
| 14:12.02 | lcuk | i mean rpm :P |
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| 14:12.32 | lardman | lcuk: lol, yeah sounds like that |
| 14:12.32 | jprocha | hi guys |
| 14:13.04 | jprocha | I am having trouble with hildon-thumbnail, have anyone used it successfully on Diablo? |
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| 14:15.50 | lcuk | jprocha, not tried it (yet), is it failing with everytihng or just certain niggles? |
| 14:16.19 | lcuk | really needs something to handle thumbnailing especially when larger images become the norm |
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| 14:18.56 | jprocha | well, my problem is that thumbnails do get created but the hildon_thumbnail_factory_wait() seems to wait forever |
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| 14:19.41 | ahem | lcuk: tracy see im not there any more |
| 14:20.01 | lardman | which header should CHAR_BIT live in, assuming it should do at all? |
| 14:20.01 | lcuk | oh my sodding god gewt some proper work done |
| 14:20.07 | ahem | :D |
| 14:20.08 | lcuk | -w lol |
| 14:20.14 | lcuk | skiver |
| 14:20.17 | ahem | you type as badly as me |
| 14:20.25 | ahem | people will think i am me |
| 14:21.04 | lcuk | then u look like ur talking to yaself 1st sign of madness that |
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| 14:21.19 | ahem | ppl in here have seen many other signs then :D |
| 14:21.34 | ahem | i am goin now babe, ill cya later on (K), cya other folks |
| 14:21.49 | lcuk | bye hun |
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| 14:33.36 | lardman | hmm, "sbc_tables.h", line 364: error: floating-point value does not fit in required integral type |
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| 14:35.32 | lardman | weird, as the declaration above apparently does fit |
| 14:36.24 | lardman | ah, the fp data is 2 dp longer |
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| 14:50.56 | lardman | biam |
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| 14:57.43 | jprocha | I am dying with the hildon-thumbnails here, anyone who have used it please pvt me :) |
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| 15:05.43 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: pong |
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| 15:19.04 | lardman|afk | say I have the following defines: http://pastebin.com/m3a96a69e |
| 15:19.33 | lardman|afk | when I try to compile, the compiler chokes on values of F(1.0000) |
| 15:19.52 | lardman|afk | is this expected? |
| 15:20.07 | lardman|afk | the error is: error: floating-point value does not fit in required integral type |
| 15:20.23 | lardman|afk | I should add that sizeof(FIXED_T)=1 |
| 15:21.19 | lardman|afk | so it expands to this: (int16)((1.0000)*((int32)1<<15)+0.5) |
| 15:23.07 | lardman|afk | 1<<15 should fit in a signed 16bit variable, the 0.5 should be floored by the cast, so it should fit; any flaws in my reasoning? |
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| 15:41.53 | not_mgedmin | lardman|afk: 1<<15 doesn't fit in a *signed* 16-bit variable |
| 15:42.07 | not_mgedmin | (1<<15) - 1 is the largest representable value |
| 15:42.33 | lardman | ah, well that is going to be an issue then |
| 15:42.53 | mgedmin | also, I think you mean sizeof(FIXED_T)==2 |
| 15:43.05 | mgedmin | unless... oh, right, that arch has 16-bit bytes |
| 15:43.22 | mgedmin | err, charachters |
| 15:43.22 | lardman | yeah, char is 16bit |
| 15:43.32 | lardman | bytes are 16bit too |
| 15:44.09 | lardman | right, will have to chat to ssvb and see what he was trying to do there then |
| 15:44.10 | lardman | cheers |
| 15:46.42 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, will be with you in 5, in bus |
| 15:50.04 | lardman | I wonder if it would work any differently if sizeof(FIXED_T)=2 and CHAR_BIT=8 |
| 15:50.11 | lardman | I don't think so |
| 15:50.21 | lardman | strange |
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| 15:55.55 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/gtk2-engines-sapwood_3.1.1-1_armel.deb |
| 15:55.59 | Stskeeps | grab this and see if it helps any |
| 15:56.32 | Stskeeps | (we got johnx's zaurus to behave earlier. there seems to be an quite odd uint16 -> uint32 conversion problem |
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| 15:58.04 | GAN8001 | sighs @ tz on -developers |
| 15:58.43 | matmo | hi all, just got an 8G microSD card for my N810, hmmm, no micro-mini adapter :-( About to order a SanDisk Mobile Memory Kit (inc 2G, £2.99, blahdvd.com). Does anyone know if adapters are SDHC compatible even if they don't mention it? |
| 15:59.13 | Meiz_n810 | should be |
| 15:59.44 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: indeed |
| 15:59.55 | GAN8001 | matmo, SDHC doesn't have anything to do with the pinout, so yes. |
| 16:00.07 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, why does he have to make everything so difficult. :( |
| 16:00.13 | matmo | OK, thanks for confirming |
| 16:00.38 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: you'd be out of work if there weren't people like him :P |
| 16:00.49 | Stskeeps | then we'd just have to fight with nokia and that's no fun ;) |
| 16:02.44 | GAN8001 | I need a script to detect when people try to create new pages in camelCase. . . . |
| 16:03.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:04.42 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: seriously though, is the man blind? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/b/bluez-utils/ |
| 16:04.48 | Stskeeps | osso7 is right there |
| 16:04.50 | disco_stu | GAN8001: what for ? |
| 16:05.11 | GAN8001 | He'd have a helluva lot less trouble if he would quit being belligerent and just use DBus. |
| 16:05.26 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, so I pointed out to him on the list. |
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| 16:05.36 | GAN8001 | disco_stu, article naming needs to be consistent. |
| 16:05.47 | GAN8001 | We use sentence case, not title case and not camelCase. |
| 16:06.01 | qwerty12 | bluez-utils is not a metapackage. we'd be fucked it it was. |
| 16:06.02 | disco_stu | GAN8001: its easy then |
| 16:06.03 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: admittedly it's kinda weird that you have to reinstall sdk per 4.1.x version or change your repos, though, instead of updating |
| 16:06.23 | Stskeeps | but it may make sense in some scenarios |
| 16:06.27 | GAN8001 | qwerty12, you're more qualified than most to dive in on this one. :P |
| 16:06.29 | yerga | He has reason in one thing: no sources for the osso6 version |
| 16:06.59 | GAN8001 | Well, osso6 could just be osso7 with different build options. |
| 16:07.02 | Stskeeps | is that the one in firmware image? |
| 16:07.16 | disco_stu | GAN8001: you should take the name, remove the first letter and convert it to lowercase and then check with the original, if not match then there is camel case |
| 16:07.29 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, Heh, I can't be bothered to argue :/. At the end of the day, he seems to be losing out with his program not being able to be installed - not nokia |
| 16:08.03 | GAN8001 | yerga, either way, he needs a whole lot less FUD and a whole lot more reason. ;) |
| 16:08.15 | yerga | GAN8001, agree completely ;) |
| 16:08.20 | GAN8001 | qwerty12, well, his users are losing out because he fucked up SSU. |
| 16:08.26 | lardman | what version of bluez-utils do you chaps have installed? |
| 16:08.39 | yerga | This bug doesn't have sense: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3937 |
| 16:08.42 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, heh, true |
| 16:09.01 | qwerty12 | lardman, 3.28-0osso6 |
| 16:10.13 | Stskeeps | why would audio.service be removed on the wimax anyway? im kinda curious about that |
| 16:10.16 | Stskeeps | no headsetting? |
| 16:10.20 | GAN8001 | sighs more |
| 16:10.35 | GAN8001 | Why do people hard-wrap text when putting it in the wiki. |
| 16:10.46 | Stskeeps | ducks |
| 16:11.01 | qwerty12 | gets back to using the scummvm tools. I should have used windows... why must *nix be so anal retentive about cases in file names? |
| 16:11.49 | lardman | qwerty12: well that's not the version in the repo |
| 16:11.53 | disco_stu | qwerty12: case sensitive is a must for a decent file system |
| 16:11.56 | lardman | qwerty12: but perhaps that's my one |
| 16:12.08 | qwerty12 | lardman, it's true, and that's one of tz1's points |
| 16:12.19 | lardman | yep, that's the one valid point I think |
| 16:12.20 | qwerty12 | but it is what is installed with the ssu update |
| 16:12.53 | Stskeeps | did anyone check if the sources are there on tablets-dev? :P |
| 16:13.02 | pupnik_ | <ADVERTISEMENT> Rubybox! The frontend for Dosbox on internet tablets - with ez-install of online freed games and custom configurations! Game list here: http://nakkiboso.com/rbox.php |
| 16:13.13 | qwerty12 | pupnik_, spammer! :P |
| 16:13.22 | pupnik_ | hangs head in shame |
| 16:13.23 | Stskeeps | nm |
| 16:13.24 | lardman | Stskeeps: no |
| 16:13.34 | lardman | has already installed osso7 |
| 16:13.39 | pupnik_ | coool |
| 16:14.13 | Stskeeps | pupnik_: oh boy. |
| 16:14.31 | Stskeeps | pupnik_: sure keen is freed? :P |
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| 16:15.23 | pupnik_ | hmm i am wrong |
| 16:15.33 | pupnik_ | i think that's the list of games with configs |
| 16:15.44 | pupnik_ | not the list of games solmumah4 hosts |
| 16:16.05 | qwerty12 | disco_stu, it's a must to annoy me sometimes :) |
| 16:16.38 | disco_stu | qwerty12: that is your windows brain thinking |
| 16:17.00 | disco_stu | with the years you get used to it |
| 16:17.37 | qwerty12 | it's the side that would like me to do something without having to convert the file names to lower case, do what I want and rename back to upper case. But i'm overreacting |
| 16:17.46 | GAN8001 | apt-get -f install seems to confuse people |
| 16:17.58 | GAN8001 | Why didn't they just use apt-get fix-install or somthing? |
| 16:18.07 | disco_stu | apt-get --fix-missing |
| 16:18.33 | disco_stu | is the long command argument |
| 16:20.08 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, isn't there an update script for the SDK that'd update the repository info? |
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| 16:21.32 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, there's no need to |
| 16:21.33 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: not sure |
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| 16:23.24 | fiferboy | I presume I am supposed to get something other than a blank screen when trying to boot nitdroid... |
| 16:24.31 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: installed, rebooting |
| 16:24.49 | Stskeeps | fiferboy: try removing external sd |
| 16:25.08 | fiferboy | Stskeeps: I will do that now... |
| 16:26.27 | fiferboy | Thanks, Stskeeps!! |
| 16:26.54 | fiferboy | Is that always a problem, or could it be because my external SD is ext3? |
| 16:27.29 | Stskeeps | fiferboy: i think theres a generic problem, not sure. just been watching the channel so :P |
| 16:28.22 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no change in behavior with new sapwood package |
| 16:28.26 | lardman | GAN8001: you can do -fix-install |
| 16:28.39 | lardman | I think anyway |
| 16:28.39 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: damnit. so still 100% cpu and no drawing? |
| 16:28.44 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 16:29.04 | r2d2rogers | can trdo the strace if you like? |
| 16:29.07 | r2d2rogers | redo |
| 16:29.24 | Stskeeps | mm, yeah |
| 16:29.54 | r2d2rogers | does it help any that the the menu for the home_ap_home_view menu and the applets show up white while the menu on the left doesnt' show at all? |
| 16:30.52 | Stskeeps | well if sapwood malfunctions, anything can happen :P |
| 16:31.04 | r2d2rogers | <G> |
| 16:31.27 | r2d2rogers | reboot for strace |
| 16:31.41 | Stskeeps | we should establish its actually sapwood.. sec |
| 16:31.53 | r2d2rogers | ? k |
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| 16:33.28 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.31 | Stskeeps | move that one away |
| 16:33.57 | Stskeeps | its going to be murder for your 770, but would show if its sapwoods fault :P |
| 16:34.11 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 16:34.22 | r2d2rogers | so move that file to somewhere else? |
| 16:34.37 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:34.39 | Stskeeps | out of the directory |
| 16:35.07 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 16:35.38 | r2d2rogers | stuff looks better and works |
| 16:35.43 | r2d2rogers | reboot to confirm |
| 16:35.51 | r2d2rogers | I moved it while it was starting |
| 16:36.30 | r2d2rogers | enter key works now too |
| 16:36.38 | r2d2rogers | from matchbox-keyboard |
| 16:36.50 | r2d2rogers | ok for the reboot |
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| 16:37.06 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:40.40 | r2d2rogers | looks the same, everything workds, just looks worse on the home screen, but better in the menus. |
| 16:41.02 | Stskeeps | define "worse"? :P |
| 16:41.24 | r2d2rogers | screenshot cometh |
| 16:41.35 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:41.44 | r2d2rogers | buttons and such are better, will have to figure out how to show those |
| 16:42.00 | johnx | r2d2rogers, they hilight blue when clicked? |
| 16:42.13 | r2d2rogers | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.2215.png |
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| 16:43.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, true, probably due to sapwood references in theme |
| 16:43.27 | Stskeeps | how's speed, even without sapwood |
| 16:43.41 | r2d2rogers | fine |
| 16:43.44 | matmo | Is there option to select speakers when headphones plugged into the N810? I just want to use the external microphone. |
| 16:44.10 | lardman | probably a sysfs entry |
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| 16:44.27 | lardman | iirc on the n800 you could plug in the headphones to use the radio and play from the speakers |
| 16:44.35 | r2d2rogers | no difference that I can tell, but the applet for CPU and mem can't be read |
| 16:44.54 | johnx | good luck r2d2rogers and Stskeeps. really lame that the zaurus fix wasn't related :/ |
| 16:45.01 | matmo | lardman: any idea which sysfs entry? |
| 16:45.02 | johnx | 'night all |
| 16:45.12 | qwerty12 | night johnx |
| 16:45.14 | RST38h | Hehe, 50% of Blackberry Storms are returned |
| 16:45.16 | lardman | matmo: 'fraid not, sorry |
| 16:45.17 | RST38h | night, johnx |
| 16:45.22 | Stskeeps | nini johnx |
| 16:45.24 | lardman | night johnx |
| 16:45.25 | r2d2rogers | can you get matchbox keybaord to exit politely? |
| 16:45.31 | Stskeeps | not really |
| 16:45.36 | Stskeeps | kill -9? :P |
| 16:45.36 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 16:45.42 | r2d2rogers | g'night johnx thanks |
| 16:46.50 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: let's say we move out the stuff in rc.local and start it later from usb.. does behaviour change? |
| 16:46.55 | Stskeeps | (when sapwood is installed) |
| 16:47.09 | r2d2rogers | k, so |
| 16:47.31 | Stskeeps | and with usb, install openssh-server or something so its a normal user login |
| 16:47.32 | r2d2rogers | mv the rc.local to another place and run it after I get in to the usb ethernet terminal? |
| 16:47.40 | r2d2rogers | I have ssh on it now |
| 16:47.42 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:47.44 | r2d2rogers | and a user |
| 16:48.28 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 16:48.37 | r2d2rogers | modding the sudoers also then |
| 16:51.14 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: so we want the sapwood library back in place or still moved? |
| 16:53.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, back in place |
| 16:53.20 | Stskeeps | it's obviously at fault |
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| 16:53.36 | r2d2rogers | reboot <G> |
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| 16:58.14 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: so I want to export DISPLAY=:0;startx &;start-hildon & ? |
| 16:58.43 | Stskeeps | .. i gues that would do the trick |
| 17:00.30 | Meiz_n810 | boots to Mer |
| 17:04.23 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: permissions error due to where I had the strace log set, trying again with out strace for now |
| 17:04.27 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 17:07.36 | r2d2rogers | came up with a terminal, tried kicking a menu and now the screen is black |
| 17:07.44 | r2d2rogers | no response from terminal... |
| 17:07.47 | Stskeeps | alright. does it still go 100%? |
| 17:07.58 | r2d2rogers | can't say |
| 17:08.01 | r2d2rogers | it died |
| 17:08.07 | Stskeeps | ah, tablet rebooted? |
| 17:08.14 | r2d2rogers | nope |
| 17:08.23 | r2d2rogers | just went black and unresposive |
| 17:08.28 | r2d2rogers | popping battery |
| 17:08.29 | Stskeeps | silly fact - try without & in start-hildon |
| 17:09.16 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 17:09.22 | r2d2rogers | botting back up fine |
| 17:09.25 | r2d2rogers | booting... |
| 17:09.33 | r2d2rogers | weird that the tablet just died like that |
| 17:09.46 | Stskeeps | experimental software ftw |
| 17:09.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:09.58 | r2d2rogers | point |
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| 17:11.33 | r2d2rogers | waiting to see when start-hildon finishes |
| 17:11.36 | r2d2rogers | ? |
| 17:11.56 | Meiz_n810 | how can i get the latest imager?? |
| 17:11.58 | Meiz_n810 | bzr branch <what??> |
| 17:12.31 | r2d2rogers | same behavior |
| 17:12.37 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no changes lately |
| 17:12.41 | r2d2rogers | getting in telnet with root to see what cpu is |
| 17:12.54 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: start-hildon doesn't finish until hildon dies |
| 17:13.03 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 17:13.03 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 17:13.13 | r2d2rogers | it was finishing when it was &'d |
| 17:13.41 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i deleted the old one so what was the command? :P |
| 17:13.43 | r2d2rogers | same fun |
| 17:14.01 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: bzr lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager |
| 17:14.04 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: strace then |
| 17:14.04 | r2d2rogers | white menu and sapwood hogging CPU |
| 17:14.07 | Meiz_n810 | thanks |
| 17:14.08 | Stskeeps | (strace -p pid) |
| 17:14.08 | r2d2rogers | wilco |
| 17:14.53 | r2d2rogers | nothing coming out of it |
| 17:15.01 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 17:15.07 | r2d2rogers | assumed you wanted strace -p (sapwood's pid) |
| 17:15.10 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 17:15.13 | Stskeeps | sapwood's pid :P |
| 17:15.22 | r2d2rogers | <G> |
| 17:15.25 | r2d2rogers | nothing |
| 17:15.32 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 17:15.39 | r2d2rogers | how to tell what it's blocking on is our problem right? |
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| 17:15.41 | Stskeeps | what the heck hogs cpu then.. |
| 17:15.54 | Stskeeps | gdb the sapwood binary <pid> |
| 17:16.07 | Stskeeps | and b |
| 17:16.09 | Stskeeps | bt |
| 17:16.58 | r2d2rogers | gdb?? not found |
| 17:17.01 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:17.04 | r2d2rogers | install package for it? |
| 17:17.04 | Stskeeps | apt-get install gdb :P |
| 17:17.06 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:17.16 | r2d2rogers | running |
| 17:17.25 | Stskeeps | http://www.millne.com/wp-content/uploads/15042008373-small.jpg |
| 17:17.26 | Stskeeps | hah |
| 17:17.45 | r2d2rogers | funny that still works while cpu is said to be pegged out |
| 17:18.01 | Stskeeps | yeah, multitasking is an interesting thing |
| 17:18.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:18.29 | r2d2rogers | whoa |
| 17:18.32 | r2d2rogers | something happened |
| 17:18.41 | r2d2rogers | the console popped up |
| 17:18.44 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 17:18.53 | r2d2rogers | maemo-launcher: child (pid=1766) terminated due to signal=9 |
| 17:19.02 | Stskeeps | dmesg? |
| 17:19.16 | r2d2rogers | out of memory |
| 17:19.20 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:19.27 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 17:19.36 | r2d2rogers | pastebin? |
| 17:19.43 | Stskeeps | from gdb? yeah |
| 17:20.09 | r2d2rogers | sapwood still 97~ percent |
| 17:21.40 | Stskeeps | i think i may have found my new nemesis, when it comes to software. sapwood. |
| 17:21.40 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.47 | r2d2rogers | \o/ |
| 17:22.51 | r2d2rogers | what's the other pastebin you had me use? |
| 17:23.48 | Stskeeps | rafb.net/paste |
| 17:24.53 | r2d2rogers | http://rafb.net/p/MU2uYX90.html |
| 17:25.11 | r2d2rogers | what was the bt part? |
| 17:25.23 | Stskeeps | write 'bt' |
| 17:25.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:26.01 | r2d2rogers | Cannot access memory at address 0x5 |
| 17:26.11 | Stskeeps | fair enough, and then no output? |
| 17:26.16 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 17:27.51 | r2d2rogers | the dmesg output on the out of memory bit http://rafb.net/p/MJeOx790.html. |
| 17:27.51 | Stskeeps | what permissions did you have with sapwod in start-hildon? |
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| 17:28.09 | r2d2rogers | permissions? |
| 17:28.27 | r2d2rogers | whatever the user was.... no sudo |
| 17:28.42 | Stskeeps | ah. sapwood runs as user |
| 17:29.06 | Stskeeps | so just strace -fF sapwood-running-command-or-how-was-it &> log |
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| 17:30.32 | r2d2rogers | strace -o ~/strace_sapwood-server.log /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server & look ok? |
| 17:31.13 | Stskeeps | fairenough |
| 17:34.35 | r2d2rogers | booted |
| 17:36.09 | r2d2rogers | doing the tail -f on the strace log gives me this when I click and get the white box: http://rafb.net/p/8sJYcb42.html |
| 17:36.43 | r2d2rogers | line 11 or 12 is the tap point |
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| 17:38.48 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:38.49 | Stskeeps | lookin |
| 17:38.50 | Stskeeps | ' |
| 17:39.43 | Stskeeps | you dont happen to have any output in shell from sapwood? |
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| 17:40.46 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: dump of shell output: http://rafb.net/p/yR0lsm34.html |
| 17:42.29 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: do me a fav and do .. strace -o ~/strace_sapwood-server.log /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server & > seperate.log |
| 17:42.33 | Stskeeps | in the boot instead |
| 17:42.38 | Stskeeps | there's a curious message |
| 17:42.53 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 17:44.04 | r2d2rogers | putting rc.local back and adding the console log for the strace of sapwood to the start hildon? |
| 17:44.04 | Stskeeps | you might want to do &> |
| 17:44.24 | Stskeeps | as in, i want to be able to tell about sapwood's output and everything else |
| 17:44.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:44.31 | r2d2rogers | cd ~ |
| 17:44.33 | r2d2rogers | oops |
| 17:45.18 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.21 | r2d2rogers | do you want the log output from the start-hildon command, or the strace of sapwood line? |
| 17:46.19 | Stskeeps | the strace of sapwood line |
| 17:46.24 | r2d2rogers | grok |
| 17:46.36 | Stskeeps | (show me the resulting line :P) |
| 17:46.53 | dick-richardson | on a fresh flash; only installing openssh; editing /etc/systemui/systemui.xml, /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and running visudo; my n810 on reboot will show the progress bar reach 100% and go no further |
| 17:47.14 | r2d2rogers | strace -o ~/strace_sapwood-server.log /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server &> ~/sapwood-server_strace.log |
| 17:47.23 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: & in the end there i think |
| 17:47.34 | dick-richardson | I can't tell if it's a bug or faulty hardware...someone available to test? |
| 17:48.19 | r2d2rogers | strace -o ~/strace_sapwood-server.log /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server &> ~/sapwood-server_strace.log & |
| 17:48.24 | Stskeeps | yea |
| 17:48.33 | Stskeeps | dick-richardson: you may have messsed up your systemui.xml |
| 17:49.02 | Stskeeps | with faulty hw you'd probably not even reach 100 :P |
| 17:49.03 | dick-richardson | Stskeeps, I just removed the comment designating lines |
| 17:49.26 | Stskeeps | dick-richardson: hm? |
| 17:49.43 | Stskeeps | dick-richardson: besides that systemui can blow up in wonderful different ways :P |
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| 17:50.06 | dick-richardson | it's not the systemui.xml file edits. I promise |
| 17:50.48 | dick-richardson | unless it's interacting with openssh or an additional line in /etc/sudoers unexpectedly |
| 17:51.02 | Stskeeps | if sudoers if unreadable for some odd reason.. system will fail to boot too |
| 17:51.04 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 17:51.36 | dick-richardson | 'user ALL = ALL' seem right? |
| 17:51.56 | dick-richardson | visudo doesn't complain when I exit... |
| 17:52.06 | Stskeeps | .. no not really. i think it may cause it to ask for a password each time |
| 17:52.16 | qwerty12 | indeed |
| 17:52.19 | dick-richardson | it does... |
| 17:52.31 | Stskeeps | so, there's your reason |
| 17:52.31 | qwerty12 | dick-richardson, how do you propose to enter this password? |
| 17:52.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:52.33 | dick-richardson | I'd rather not remove the password restriction |
| 17:52.46 | dick-richardson | qwerty12, at the terminal...? |
| 17:52.52 | dick-richardson | not understanding your question |
| 17:52.55 | qwerty12 | dick-richardson, yes, what terminal? |
| 17:53.06 | Stskeeps | dick-richardson: hint, OS uses sudo from the 'user' to some specific commands |
| 17:53.10 | dick-richardson | the terminal included with the device? |
| 17:53.12 | Stskeeps | to not having to run everything as root |
| 17:53.15 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: not finding the log files |
| 17:53.23 | r2d2rogers | I shouldn't have used ~/ methinks |
| 17:53.30 | qwerty12 | dick-richardson, good luck having that starting up everytime sudo wants to run something... |
| 17:53.36 | dick-richardson | I_added_ the last line. I didn't replace the entire file with that line :P |
| 17:53.46 | Stskeeps | dick-richardson: catch-all i think :P |
| 17:54.04 | dick-richardson | seriously...it worked that way the entire last firmware |
| 17:54.14 | Stskeeps | dick-richardson: anyway, that's a probable reason why it crashes :P |
| 17:54.14 | dick-richardson | all of the nopasswd designated lines are still there |
| 17:54.48 | dick-richardson | I added that last line to allow me to run other, previously non-specified commands, as root |
| 17:56.23 | Stskeeps | right, but, if it fails to work as intended, it would mess up your system |
| 17:56.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:56.48 | dick-richardson | fair enough...lemme try with nopasswd |
| 17:57.09 | Stskeeps | besides that is it /etc/sudoers or /etc/sudoers.d? :P |
| 17:57.19 | Stskeeps | cos your sudoers will be overwritten otherwise |
| 17:58.06 | dick-richardson | was /etc/sudoers |
| 17:59.52 | t_s_o | hmm, while i dont miss the modified modest interface much, i really do miss the app manager... |
| 18:00.05 | Stskeeps | hmm? |
| 18:00.10 | Stskeeps | (t_s_o) |
| 18:00.20 | Stskeeps | i've just upgraded parts of the OS, so :) |
| 18:00.28 | t_s_o | ah |
| 18:01.03 | Stskeeps | as i have removed some bits i probably shouldn't have |
| 18:01.10 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, if you have osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked installed, you can use http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/hildon-application-manager_2.1.20~unreleased_armel.deb fine |
| 18:01.10 | dick-richardson | ooc, is it still required to run in red-pill mode? |
| 18:01.37 | t_s_o | nope, no -unlocked here. last time i tried that i got a non-booting update :S |
| 18:01.38 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: nothing in the console output log |
| 18:02.02 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: looks like the previous logs int he other |
| 18:02.30 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, ah.. I still had my updated appmgr installed when I updated.. probably because I was using unlocked when I updated... |
| 18:02.44 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: can i seethe sapwood-server_strace.log one? |
| 18:03.10 | r2d2rogers | empty |
| 18:03.12 | Stskeeps | eh. |
| 18:03.31 | Stskeeps | and you've made sure to have two different files, right? |
| 18:03.40 | t_s_o | i somewhat look forward to mer being stable for casual use, as i have a itch to free this device from the nokia heavy handed updates... |
| 18:03.41 | Stskeeps | for -o and for output |
| 18:03.47 | r2d2rogers | yessir |
| 18:03.49 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:04.01 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: so we have a GTK application that spits absolutely nothing out at stderr |
| 18:04.04 | Stskeeps | that's a bloody miracle |
| 18:04.09 | r2d2rogers | <G> |
| 18:04.36 | r2d2rogers | what user is the rc.local run as? |
| 18:04.40 | Stskeeps | root |
| 18:05.09 | t_s_o | i just hope mer will have a equivalent to the bookmark button/menu, as thats one thing i find useful in maemo |
| 18:05.23 | r2d2rogers | I'm confused about all the \1\\\0\24... stuff in this line: |
| 18:05.26 | r2d2rogers | read(5, "\1\\\0\24\0\24\0\24\0\24\0\0/usr/share/themes/pla"..., 4109) = 92 |
| 18:05.35 | t_s_o | on the other hand, it needs to work with any kind of browser the users wants to install and designate as main |
| 18:05.39 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: it should be trivial to make. |
| 18:06.10 | t_s_o | Stskeeps: probably, but the devil is in the details ;) |
| 18:06.55 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: at least you didn't have johnx's bug which made it think it was sending 17k buffers instead of 92byte buffers.. |
| 18:07.17 | r2d2rogers | :;nods:: |
| 18:07.42 | r2d2rogers | but his works now? <G> |
| 18:07.44 | Stskeeps | can you send me the whole -o log? |
| 18:07.49 | Stskeeps | yes, by a bloody miracle |
| 18:07.49 | r2d2rogers | yessir |
| 18:07.56 | Stskeeps | i think it hit a compiler bug / processor bug |
| 18:08.07 | Stskeeps | lemme just give you a place to upload it to |
| 18:08.23 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 18:08.35 | r2d2rogers | yewah 'cause my webserver isn't open to public right now... |
| 18:08.57 | r2d2rogers | need to learn me up some firewall fun |
| 18:09.11 | r2d2rogers | one specific luser on the web |
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| 18:13.52 | Khertan_n810 | [W2I=000:u:0:000:] |
| 18:14.22 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 18:15.54 | Khertan_n810 | I have a question ... i m trying to implement crypted text in mNotes ...but i don t want to store the password in a database ... so when i uncrypt text how i can know that it use a wrong password ? (i use pyDes) |
| 18:16.20 | Stskeeps | add a checksum or something |
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| 18:17.00 | Khertan_n810 | a checksum on what ? the crypted text before crypt it ? |
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| 18:17.09 | dick-richardson | I'll be damned, you called it Stskeeps |
| 18:17.09 | Stskeeps | hmm. |
| 18:17.22 | Stskeeps | toldyou |
| 18:17.28 | Khertan_n810 | this will clearly break security, isn t it ? |
| 18:17.59 | dick-richardson | what was that display applet that showed both brightness and volume in one icon? |
| 18:18.06 | Stskeeps | advanced backlight |
| 18:18.15 | dick-richardson | thank you :) |
| 18:18.32 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: yes, i'm just trying to recall that example from cryptography.. |
| 18:18.36 | Khertan_n810 | dick: advanced something |
| 18:19.03 | Khertan_n810 | stskeeps: hehe |
| 18:19.15 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: .. encrypt(key, text+key), verify if decrypted text matches key? |
| 18:19.16 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, encrypt a known phrase at the start of the block |
| 18:19.38 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: that way there's no known phrase |
| 18:19.53 | Stskeeps | except for the secret key |
| 18:19.56 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk ? for an open source app ? |
| 18:20.03 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:20.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk: technically you know some of the plaintext then |
| 18:20.35 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... if i remember des is one way |
| 18:20.36 | lcuk | with good security you can give away the formula and equation used - remember, this is only your test |
| 18:21.24 | lcuk | or as part of your text store a hash using another formula - if the hash is recovered after decrypting then its fine |
| 18:21.26 | dick-richardson | is it safe to remove the documentation...or will that cause problems on upgrades yet? |
| 18:21.27 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: to encrypt, encrypt the key prefixed in the text, to decrypt, use key, and check key == start of plaintext :P |
| 18:21.27 | Khertan_n810 | only no differnciation between public and private key |
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| 18:21.58 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, the key is in their mind, not pub/priv |
| 18:22.20 | Khertan_n810 | stskeeps: huhu ... really unsecure |
| 18:22.38 | lcuk | you know, you could keep your app simple and leave it as is - if people want security they can use an encrypted fs |
| 18:22.42 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: eh, no |
| 18:23.13 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk: the prob is saying to the user that pass is wrong ... not display strange textg |
| 18:23.43 | lcuk | then you will need to incorporate a hash of the plaintext in with the string to encrypt |
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| 18:23.59 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk: do you have already try crypted fs on maemo ... a real pain |
| 18:24.05 | lcuk | khertan_encrypt(pass,md5(text) & ":" & text) |
| 18:24.34 | lcuk | if the password is good you can recover the text and check the md5 matches |
| 18:24.40 | Khertan_n810 | but a hash of the plain text on small text can be easily reverse |
| 18:24.46 | Stskeeps | it's encrypted.. |
| 18:24.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:25.19 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, technically why bother - let it be wrong |
| 18:25.38 | lcuk | if you put the wrong key in you get gibberish |
| 18:25.54 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk : because auto save feature will erase data |
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| 18:26.52 | lcuk | oooer, you are gonna be fighting then, either store the hash or dont bother with encryption |
| 18:27.00 | lcuk | which apps encrypt data on the fly anyway? |
| 18:27.29 | lcuk | ie where do you encounter encrypted data files currently |
| 18:27.35 | Khertan_n810 | plenty |
| 18:28.05 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: given pass, plaintext: to encrypt. ciphertext = encrypt(pass, pass + text). to decrypt and verify: plaintext = decrypt(pass, ciphertext); if text.beginswith(pass) decryptionok? :P |
| 18:28.07 | lcuk | ... ? |
| 18:28.09 | Stskeeps | that's not insecure |
| 18:28.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:28.52 | lcuk | if you are gonna do something like that, dont store pass inside - that was a mistake, just store something like the md5 of the plaintext |
| 18:29.04 | Stskeeps | lcuk: either is good :P |
| 18:29.12 | lcuk | all you need is a confirmation that its valid |
| 18:29.34 | lcuk | tbh though its not good, because an attacker knows how they can validate your formula |
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| 18:30.24 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, found anything which does on the fly encryption yet? :D |
| 18:30.26 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Mer refuses to install xserver-xorg |
| 18:30.28 | Meiz_n810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.35 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, johnx was working on it |
| 18:30.40 | Meiz_n810 | xserver-xorg-k |
| 18:30.42 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 18:30.42 | Stskeeps | they updated something in ubuntu |
| 18:30.45 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk ... yep not good |
| 18:32.18 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: simple check really. does the text we just encrypted, using the original key, encrypt back to the ciphertext we got? |
| 18:32.44 | Stskeeps | encrypted=decrypted |
| 18:32.51 | lcuk | time + cpu + battery killer, K.I.S.S. principles - its getting muddy fast |
| 18:33.12 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, but its verification :P |
| 18:33.23 | Stskeeps | and a DES doesn't take that much cpu :P |
| 18:33.44 | lcuk | of what, ive just done a few hunt n peck searches and i cant find anything really that produces encrypted data files on the fly |
| 18:35.16 | Khertan_n810 | stskeeps:yep encrypted key == decrypted key |
| 18:36.02 | glass | port truecrypt? (just jumping in..) |
| 18:36.04 | lcuk | Stskeeps, YES the text you got back WILL return to the encrypted text using the key you gave it |
| 18:36.09 | lcuk | whether it was gibberish or not |
| 18:36.18 | qwerty12 | glass, it's already been done but I think an really old version now... |
| 18:36.41 | glass | qwerty12: just started using tc with vista(for work partition) |
| 18:36.50 | Stskeeps | lcuk: meh, ok |
| 18:36.55 | Stskeeps | goes clean his apartment |
| 18:37.00 | glass | was pretty smooth. screw pgpdisk |
| 18:37.18 | qwerty12 | glass, nice, I once used it to hide some dubious tools on a usb I took into school :P |
| 18:37.31 | glass | qwerty12: haha |
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| 18:45.26 | pupnik | World War III coming? British nuclear submarines to run Windows XP... http://computer.t-online.de/c/17/16/22/60/17162260.html (german) |
| 18:45.48 | qwerty12 | We surrender |
| 18:46.16 | timelE61i | qWertz13 |
| 18:46.31 | lcuk | lets hope they have valid licenses, we dont want pirates roaming the oceans |
| 18:46.42 | qwerty12 | tImezE62i |
| 18:47.15 | timelE61i | Sorry, the z was a german ref |
| 18:47.30 | qwerty12 | hehe :) |
| 18:47.39 | timelE61i | The W is a feature of s60 |
| 18:48.15 | lcuk | qwertz |
| 18:48.29 | timelE61i | And the 3 is because i'm 1/2 finger tapping and i slipped |
| 18:48.50 | qwerty12 | liqbasztard |
| 18:48.52 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 18:49.07 | qwerty12 | is very imaginative, yes |
| 18:49.28 | lcuk | yes, you are |
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| 18:53.50 | t_s_o | i could have sworn that i have read about a us warship running win2k... |
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| 18:54.41 | qwerty12 | has an affinity for win2k, despite it being years since running it... probably because it saved me from windows ME.. |
| 18:55.06 | derf | Many US military systems run Windows. |
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| 18:56.12 | derf | What should really scare you is that we've shipped systems running HP/UX. |
| 18:56.12 | Juhaz | t_s_o, it was nt4, but you probably have. |
| 18:56.18 | Juhaz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_(CG-48) |
| 18:57.36 | aquatix | that win2k ship was dead in the water because of some worm back then iirc |
| 18:57.40 | aquatix | fun stuff |
| 18:57.50 | aquatix | well, scary rather, but still |
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| 18:59.00 | Juhaz | fun enough if it's just propulsion, but if gunnery systems with nuclear missiles in them are under windows control, well, better start planning for the move to next planet. |
| 19:00.35 | t_s_o | skynet, here we come |
| 19:02.14 | Juhaz | I wish, it'd be a lot more credible way to go to design something so advanced it takes over |
| 19:02.19 | Juhaz | rather than something so crappy it destroys the world by accident |
| 19:03.47 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: skynet.. running on windows? i doubt it |
| 19:03.52 | aquatix | `you are about to launch missile m42, cancel or allow?' |
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| 19:04.43 | cyberholic | goooood evening everyone! |
| 19:05.17 | t_s_o | Stskeeps: no clue there, but it will be using british satelites ;) |
| 19:05.57 | Stskeeps | http://blogs.msdn.com/architectsrule/archive/2008/07/01/real-life-dilbert-manager-quotes.aspx <- hah |
| 19:06.08 | t_s_o | aquatix: more like "imidiate or right now?" |
| 19:06.33 | Juhaz | murphy's law states that the person using the dialog will be the only mac or gnome person on the boat, used to alternative button order and clicking wrong one by reflex |
| 19:06.46 | Stskeeps | lol |
| 19:07.00 | aquatix | t_s_o: i was sort of referring to the annoying vista dialog in which everyone bashes `allow' anyway ;) |
| 19:07.04 | GAN800 | Maybe our new argument for beta releases will be: 'We'll stop filing shit bugs if you give us earlier access' |
| 19:07.18 | t_s_o | Juhaz: try mixing gnome and non-gnome apps on the same desktop. oh how fun... |
| 19:07.20 | aquatix | Juhaz: ghehe |
| 19:07.30 | GAN800 | The bugs on each new SSU release seem to be getting progressively less useful. |
| 19:07.36 | t_s_o | aquatix: heh, out of habit after about 5 mins ;) |
| 19:07.56 | cyberholic | hey guys, i have a proove that my n800 has feelings!!!!!!! |
| 19:08.07 | Stskeeps | you were the guy with the wet SD slot? |
| 19:08.33 | cyberholic | nah, not me. i am the guy with the mad flash ideas. |
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| 19:09.54 | cyberholic | i developed a site where you can see that you can interact with the n800.... go check this out: http://www.mojocafe.net/heart.html ... :) |
| 19:10.14 | cyberholic | put your finger on the area and you will see that the device checks your pulse! |
| 19:10.16 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 19:11.03 | cyberholic | i only need that "emergency room" heartbeat sound ... anyone knows where to get that? |
| 19:11.10 | GAN800 | Who can find the bug here? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3930 |
| 19:11.25 | GAN800 | ecg on youtube? |
| 19:11.35 | aquatix | cyberholic: doesn't work; but that might be because i'm on my laptop ;) |
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| 19:11.57 | aquatix | or does it mean i'm a zombie |
| 19:12.00 | cyberholic | lol... yeah. you gotta try it out on your device. touch the area and you will see your heartbeat |
| 19:12.05 | cyberholic | loooooooool true!!!!! |
| 19:12.16 | Stskeeps | cyberholic: it works when holding down mouse button too ;) |
| 19:13.04 | cyberholic | stskeeps: aeh...... well... aeh..... oh, my bus. i gotta go! byeeeeeeee! lol |
| 19:13.39 | aquatix | Stskeeps: but only once a cycle |
| 19:13.45 | Stskeeps | cyberholic: hehe |
| 19:13.47 | aquatix | slaps cyberholic around a bit |
| 19:13.50 | aquatix | :P |
| 19:13.52 | t_s_o | and i thought that i-am-free was silly... |
| 19:13.56 | cyberholic | :D |
| 19:13.56 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 19:14.17 | aquatix | i was actually thinking that it might use the pressure sensitiveness of the screen |
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| 19:14.36 | cyberholic | lol... yeah, it MIGHT do that if your device likes you! |
| 19:14.50 | aquatix | it does |
| 19:14.53 | aquatix | i think |
| 19:15.00 | aquatix | it knows too much of me ;) |
| 19:16.15 | qwerty12_N800 | the porn sites you visit etc... :p |
| 19:16.38 | t_s_o | meh, only geek porn ;) |
| 19:16.39 | cyberholic | looooooool |
| 19:16.48 | cyberholic | you visit porn on ya device? |
| 19:17.15 | qwerty12_N800 | I was asking aquatix :P |
| 19:17.25 | qwerty12_N800 | Nah, screen is too small :p |
| 19:17.30 | cyberholic | i thought NOKIA devices come automaticly with an adult protection. also for phone calls etc. |
| 19:20.04 | cyberholic | :) |
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| 19:22.10 | r2d2rogers | it would be nice to have a way to see the timezone spread in a channel .... |
| 19:22.34 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i think johnx would be moving between US time and japanese time .. :P |
| 19:23.17 | r2d2rogers | wow |
| 19:23.34 | r2d2rogers | so we kinda have the globe in three eh? |
| 19:23.39 | r2d2rogers | uk, US, Jp ? |
| 19:24.30 | Stskeeps | at least |
| 19:24.31 | r2d2rogers | err no you're not UK forgot... |
| 19:24.36 | Stskeeps | .dk |
| 19:24.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:24.37 | r2d2rogers | denmark? |
| 19:24.39 | r2d2rogers | yeah |
| 19:25.07 | r2d2rogers | should I try gdb on another process bofore I kill spawood? |
| 19:25.14 | r2d2rogers | spazwood? |
| 19:26.19 | Stskeeps | has strace_sapwood-server.log (Modified) Row 749 Col 1 8:27 Ctrl-K H for help |
| 19:26.22 | Stskeeps | _llseek(5, -6, [112], SEEK_CUR) = 0 |
| 19:26.25 | Stskeeps | .. been running for a while? |
| 19:27.23 | r2d2rogers | yeah since I went to lunch |
| 19:27.29 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:27.36 | Stskeeps | scp over new log? |
| 19:28.18 | RST38h | Ho ho ho |
| 19:28.21 | RST38h | It works! |
| 19:28.36 | Stskeeps | what works? |
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| 19:29.02 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I don't think it's different, but it's there |
| 19:29.07 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 19:29.21 | r2d2rogers | still nothing in the other |
| 19:29.23 | Stskeeps | and then it just runs to 100% |
| 19:29.25 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 19:29.52 | r2d2rogers | seems like it's stuck trying to get something, but the other process isn't responding? |
| 19:29.58 | Stskeeps | no, on the contrary |
| 19:30.14 | Stskeeps | it doesn't do any system calls |
| 19:30.39 | Stskeeps | you had gdb? |
| 19:31.05 | r2d2rogers | ? |
| 19:31.11 | r2d2rogers | had? have... |
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| 19:32.35 | Stskeeps | grab http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/gtk2-engines-sapwood-dbg_3.1.1-1_armel.deb and gdb /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server |
| 19:32.41 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.04 | Stskeeps | gdb /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server <sapwood-server pid> |
| 19:33.12 | Stskeeps | and bt |
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| 19:34.30 | r2d2rogers | wilco |
| 19:35.54 | Stskeeps | .. ok, maybe just /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server |
| 19:35.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:36.06 | r2d2rogers | verify, rerun start hildon with this or jsut run the gdb with that patha nd the current running process? |
| 19:36.23 | Stskeeps | running process |
| 19:37.21 | Stskeeps | .. if it fails, remove stracing |
| 19:37.39 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 19:43.37 | r2d2rogers | warning: Unable to find dynamic linker breakpoint function. GDB will be unable to debug shared library initializers and track explicitly loaded dynamic code. |
| 19:43.45 | r2d2rogers | after removing the strace |
| 19:43.59 | r2d2rogers | (gdb) bt |
| 19:43.59 | r2d2rogers | #0 0x40722a24 in ?? () |
| 19:44.25 | r2d2rogers | should I be running the debug one from start hildon? |
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| 19:53.23 | RST38h | Sts: VGBA |
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| 19:54.25 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: that's awkward.. |
| 19:54.32 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: try do that |
| 19:54.37 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ah |
| 19:54.49 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 19:54.59 | r2d2rogers | sorry for delay had email to answer :\ |
| 19:55.13 | Stskeeps | oh, i cleaned the kitchen and went to the laundry room in the meantime |
| 19:55.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:55.20 | Stskeeps | didn't even notice ;) |
| 19:57.30 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: .. any possibility of a ssh connection into it? |
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| 19:58.04 | Stskeeps | i think i know how to replicate it, so |
| 19:58.59 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: funky but doable |
| 19:59.08 | r2d2rogers | hang one |
| 19:59.12 | Stskeeps | reverse ssh tunnel is possible too |
| 19:59.14 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 19:59.16 | r2d2rogers | exactly |
| 19:59.24 | r2d2rogers | yeah |
| 19:59.25 | r2d2rogers | goo thought |
| 19:59.39 | r2d2rogers | tell me what port? |
| 19:59.40 | Stskeeps | ssh -R 0.0.0.0:10022:127.0.0.0.1:22 r2d2rogers@trac.tspre.org |
| 19:59.48 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 19:59.52 | Stskeeps | er |
| 19:59.54 | Stskeeps | 127.0.0.1 |
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| 19:59.57 | r2d2rogers | yeah <G> |
| 19:59.58 | Stskeeps | not ipv6 yet.. |
| 20:00.05 | r2d2rogers | what user you want? |
| 20:00.09 | Stskeeps | any :P |
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| 20:01.51 | mentalmonkey | hello I overtly discussed my interest in improving osso-xterm's capabilities to integrate with thumb pad input, and in general make n8x0 a better experience for cli lovers like myself but I'm not sure of what SDK I should work with, 4.1.x or 5 - I'm a hobbyist and a novice |
| 20:02.12 | mentalmonkey | s/thumb pad/thumb keyboard |
| 20:02.25 | Stskeeps | 4.1.x probably |
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| 20:03.21 | mentalmonkey | Stskeeps: I just don't want to invest a lot of time and just as I get somewhere 5 is released to the general public - however will 5 be useful for n8x0 devices - I should really be looking at the forum but you might have an immediate partial answer |
| 20:03.51 | Stskeeps | mentalmonkey: fact is none of us really know much about interfaces or anything, and that fremantle is atleast half a year ago.. |
| 20:03.56 | Stskeeps | er |
| 20:03.57 | Stskeeps | from now |
| 20:04.49 | lardman | hmm, 16bit sbc doesn't sound too hot |
| 20:05.08 | Stskeeps | mentalmonkey: and n8x0 users aren't going to disappear here and now |
| 20:06.35 | mentalmonkey | ok, so Diablo it is then, for the time being |
| 20:09.15 | mentalmonkey | does anyone know if the SDK for diablo can be installed via chroot on a x64_86 architecture using Archlinux - not Debian based? |
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| 20:09.43 | mentalmonkey | I am more than willing to use a virtual machine for this task, but if a chroot will work I think I prefer this |
| 20:09.53 | mentalmonkey | s/will work/will most likely :) |
| 20:10.32 | Stskeeps | it has to load some binfmt stuff.. so take a vm instead |
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| 20:15.01 | ShadowJK_ | urgh, binfmt? wtf |
| 20:15.17 | mentalmonkey | ? |
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| 20:15.39 | dick-richardson | how do you use openntpd? |
| 20:15.41 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: i kinda don't blame them. fakechroot stuff is weird |
| 20:16.04 | ShadowJK_ | the perversedness of their sdk continues to amaze me the more I hear about it |
| 20:16.06 | mentalmonkey | ntpd -s - to set your time for instance |
| 20:16.06 | dick-richardson | I can't tell what bin was installed... |
| 20:16.15 | dick-richardson | mentalmonkey, thank you! |
| 20:16.44 | mentalmonkey | dick-richardson: I this works for what is installed on maemo? if it does great!! |
| 20:16.57 | dick-richardson | seems to |
| 20:17.04 | mentalmonkey | awesome :) |
| 20:17.33 | ShadowJK_ | If you're going to do sick things, do the sickly cool things, like NetBSD's build system that cross builds itself and netbsd, on anything, anywhere :-) |
| 20:17.34 | mentalmonkey | ok, so vm for me not exactly the way I would have wanted to go, but not terrible |
| 20:18.08 | Stskeeps | mentalmonkey: better than having to install windows.. |
| 20:18.18 | t_s_o | hmm, im starting to like packageview... |
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| 20:18.29 | mentalmonkey | Stskeeps: :) |
| 20:20.03 | mentalmonkey | I've never used kvm - would that work |
| 20:20.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Is it a necessity that I have to have a virtual keyboard installed to use ScummVM properly (N800)? :) |
| 20:20.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i ran beneath a steel sky okay |
| 20:20.48 | mentalmonkey | I want to get the most bang for installing a a few gigs. of SDK |
| 20:20.56 | qwerty12_N800 | mentalmonkey, easiest way is probably vmware as a ready image exists |
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| 20:21.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, thanks |
| 20:21.11 | disco_stu | mentalmonkey, use virtualbox |
| 20:21.40 | mentalmonkey | disco_stu: ok, no fancy stuff then, you all recommend "do what works" I stick with that policy this time then :) |
| 20:21.49 | mentalmonkey | atleast |
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| 20:23.28 | dick-richardson | mentalmonkey, does ntpd run once and exit? |
| 20:23.52 | mentalmonkey | dick-richardson: not as far as I know, ps -A | grep ntp |
| 20:24.36 | slonopotamus | hell o |
| 20:24.54 | qwerty12_N800 | h ello |
| 20:25.00 | mentalmonkey | is this the right place to grab the vm http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:25.15 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, for vmware |
| 20:25.24 | mentalmonkey | I'm going easy peezy this time |
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| 20:26.05 | mentalmonkey | for the SDK is virtualbox fine or will I need vmware (player)? |
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| 20:26.57 | GAN8001 | mentalmonkey, there was some discussion from Nokia about opening up the XTerm development. |
| 20:27.26 | mentalmonkey | GAN8001: you mean it is NOT open right now, oh my |
| 20:27.37 | GAN8001 | mentalmonkey, the source is open |
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| 20:27.47 | GAN8001 | But the development mostly takes place behind closed doors. |
| 20:28.13 | GAN8001 | The idea would be to move all development into the open so the community has more power over osso-xterm's direction. |
| 20:28.37 | mentalmonkey | GAN8001: oh my I should learn to ask the right questions before downloading gigabytes of SDK :D |
| 20:29.20 | GAN8001 | Either way, it's a POSITIVE thing that times nicely with you wanting to get into hacking on it. :) |
| 20:30.16 | mentalmonkey | GAN8001: but it sounds somewhat tentative for Nokia will do with xterm, at least from what you have written above |
| 20:30.38 | mentalmonkey | GAN8001: do you what time frame this will take place? |
| 20:30.55 | GAN8001 | osso-xterm is being developed within Nokia at the moment as open source code |
| 20:31.10 | GAN8001 | the plan is to move that development process outside of Nokia and into the community |
| 20:31.17 | GAN8001 | This is a GOOD THING. ;) |
| 20:31.24 | mentalmonkey | but the time frame? |
| 20:31.29 | GAN8001 | Quim just mentioned it yesterday |
| 20:31.41 | GAN8001 | So the plan is just now forming |
| 20:32.55 | mentalmonkey | ok, so I should install the SDK but be relaxed an in a few months it will happen? |
| 20:33.01 | disco_stu | at last.. community will end up with an xterm on steroids |
| 20:33.31 | mentalmonkey | awesome for an n800 this is very good |
| 20:33.36 | RST38h | or many little xterms |
| 20:34.02 | GAN8001 | mentalmonkey, start hacking now and push your good patches to bugs.maemo.org as enhancement requests as you make them. |
| 20:34.10 | GAN8001 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 |
| 20:34.47 | mentalmonkey | GAN8001: thanks! |
| 20:35.31 | GAN8001 | mentalmonkey, my recommendation is to dive in and just get hacking. ;) |
| 20:35.58 | GAN8001 | The Maemo 5 SDK will be more ready for application-level hacking around the time of the beta release in ~April. |
| 20:37.03 | `0660 | i really wish that feature request would be solved |
| 20:37.18 | mentalmonkey | GAN8001: I'm applying to grad. schools in particle physics right now - meaning I have lots of other stuff happening - but I am interested improving o-xterm so I will get started |
| 20:37.28 | `0660 | irc is quite boring when i need to copy paste links by hand |
| 20:37.46 | mentalmonkey | `0660: boring or frustrating ? :) |
| 20:38.13 | Stskeeps | dear god, thank you for inventing wifi and tablets. i can wait in laundry room, connected to my wifi with my tablet |
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| 20:39.05 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, to remind you of these times you should see if theres a laundry screensaver |
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| 20:40.08 | `0660 | mentalmonkey, frustrating :) |
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| 20:48.44 | Vulcanis | Hmm, would anyone happen to know a good way to format a card that even windows doesn't recognize when I plug the n800 in? |
| 20:50.07 | disco_stu | Vulcanis, you dont windows to be able to see the card? |
| 20:50.18 | Vulcanis | no |
| 20:50.24 | Vulcanis | it /can't/ and I'm trying to recover it |
| 20:50.28 | Vulcanis | but its looking like its pretty dead right now |
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| 21:02.26 | florian | re |
| 21:03.27 | dick-richardson | where are known networks saved? |
| 21:03.40 | qwerty12_N801 | dick-richardson, gconf |
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| 21:04.15 | dick-richardson | I have a backup of /home...how do I import that into a newly flashed device? |
| 21:04.29 | dick-richardson | w/o overwriting the existing gconf |
| 21:08.48 | dick-richardson | er.../etc rather |
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| 21:15.04 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, I'm just glad I don't have to wait in mine. :P |
| 21:15.35 | Stskeeps | mm, managed to catch one quickly |
| 21:15.53 | Stskeeps | i had the washer throw an exception at me though, "error getting water" |
| 21:22.00 | ShadowJK_ | you need iWater(TM) |
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| 21:24.38 | dick-richardson | no way to restore known networks with /etc and /home backed up? |
| 21:25.04 | TrueJournals | dick-richardson: known networks are stored in gconf... which is stored in... /var I think? |
| 21:25.19 | christendoc | any mer/deblet guys have experience with binutils not recognizing the --mfloat-abi=softfp flag? |
| 21:26.11 | TrueJournals | dick-richardson: actually... nevermind... gconf seems to be in /etc.. let me get a path for you to restore |
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| 21:27.28 | vandenoever | i'm trying to download the firmware but the form on nokia.com does not recognize my wlan code |
| 21:28.48 | vandenoever | is there a way to download it anyway? |
| 21:29.47 | TrueJournals | dick-richardson: Ah, nevermind... gconf IS stored in /var |
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| 21:30.22 | TrueJournals | However, /etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir is a link to the configuration dir... depending on how you did the backup, you MIGHT have the data there |
| 21:31.07 | TrueJournals | vandenoever: Do you have a n800 or n810? |
| 21:31.17 | vandenoever | TrueJournals: both, but i'm updating the n810 |
| 21:31.38 | vandenoever | TrueJournals: it's in need of a fresh flash, it keeps rebooting |
| 21:32.59 | TrueJournals | vandenoever: Do you run Windows, linux, or osx? |
| 21:33.04 | vandenoever | TrueJournals: linux |
| 21:33.29 | qwerty12_N801 | vandenoever, it's easy to find a load of n810 mac addresses on the internet.. |
| 21:33.39 | vandenoever | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php does not recognize the mac address |
| 21:35.29 | vandenoever | qwerty12_N801: thanks! i found some |
| 21:35.42 | vandenoever | still weird that mine is not recognized |
| 21:36.16 | Stskeeps | N810W or N810? |
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| 21:37.38 | LinuxCode | impressive |
| 21:37.47 | LinuxCode | the new update makes the N810 faster |
| 21:37.53 | LinuxCode | its way more responsive now |
| 21:37.57 | vandenoever | Stskeeps: N810 (not W) |
| 21:37.57 | LinuxCode | thank god |
| 21:38.01 | LinuxCode | back to normal |
| 21:38.14 | vandenoever | any of you running kde4 on it? |
| 21:38.34 | disco_stu | LinuxCode, i had the same impression |
| 21:39.06 | LinuxCode | hopefully it will drain my battery less too |
| 21:39.24 | LinuxCode | i suspect that was the bug causing the sluggishness and battery consumption |
| 21:39.57 | disco_stu | im not having very good bat lifetime since i clonned os to sd |
| 21:40.32 | Stskeeps | LinuxCode: X optimization |
| 21:40.32 | Stskeeps | s |
| 21:40.39 | disco_stu | speed is now great |
| 21:41.36 | GAN8001 | Ahaha |
| 21:41.46 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, I see your edit in the recent changes. :P |
| 21:41.56 | GAN8001 | I was actually talking about hard-wrapping on the SSU page. :P |
| 21:42.14 | Stskeeps | it's called fear. |
| 21:42.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:42.37 | GAN8001 | plays with the banhammer. :P |
| 21:47.07 | Stskeeps | i really wonder what's wrong with these armv5 processors |
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| 21:47.32 | Stskeeps | sapwood goes horridly insane on them |
| 21:47.57 | Stskeeps | lo b-man |
| 21:48.02 | b-man | hello |
| 21:49.14 | Stskeeps | b-man: so how's the installer going? |
| 21:49.20 | b-man | i'm now to the debugging stage of the installer. |
| 21:49.37 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 21:49.51 | b-man | i'm trying to hunt down this annoying syntax error :P |
| 21:50.13 | b-man | in 366 lines of code |
| 21:50.14 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:50.18 | Stskeeps | what is it made in? |
| 21:50.23 | b-man | bash |
| 21:50.26 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 21:51.13 | b-man | do you know of any good bash debugging methods? |
| 21:51.36 | sp3000 | -eux and patience? :) |
| 21:52.02 | b-man | i've tryed sh -x and have had no luck. |
| 21:52.04 | Stskeeps | b-man: set -x -e maybe |
| 21:52.08 | Stskeeps | in top of file |
| 21:52.13 | Stskeeps | die when something goes wrong |
| 21:52.45 | b-man | i'll try that, thanks! |
| 21:53.05 | Stskeeps | and be verbose |
| 21:53.22 | b-man | verbose? |
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| 21:53.44 | vandenoever | ah, my maemo is back |
| 21:54.44 | Vulcanis | is anyone any good at recovering SD cards, or would know how to? |
| 21:55.04 | b-man | is it corrupt? |
| 21:55.25 | Vulcanis | well, I don't actually know. I'm trying to format it, but currently it doesn't show up in windows or the n800 |
| 21:55.43 | Vulcanis | I'm assuming its dead, but I was wondering if there were any ways I would not have looked at |
| 21:56.11 | disco_stu | did you clone your os ? |
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| 21:56.34 | b-man | mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1 or p2? |
| 21:56.43 | Vulcanis | Nah, I was trying to partition a spare 4gb I had lying around |
| 21:56.55 | Vulcanis | but never actually got around to cloning things. |
| 21:56.55 | disco_stu | cause when partitioned windows wont see it |
| 21:57.02 | Vulcanis | ah, ok. |
| 21:58.22 | b-man | in terminal in maemo you can use fsdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0 / mmcblk1 |
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| 21:58.57 | b-man | that's how i partition my mmc. |
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| 21:59.03 | Vulcanis | thanks. |
| 22:00.28 | Stskeeps | sfdisk |
| 22:01.14 | b-man | here's the syntax; | ,, = empty | ,512,C = 512mb vfat | ,,L = the rest in linux83. |
| 22:01.15 | vandenoever | at maemo conference i saw an awesome note taking app, does anyone know the name? |
| 22:01.24 | Vulcanis | Yeah, I don't have either of those, so do you know where the package for that would be found? |
| 22:01.32 | qwerty12_N801 | vandenoever, liqbase |
| 22:01.45 | b-man | apt-get install e2fsprogs? |
| 22:01.57 | vandenoever | qwerty12_N801: that sounds right, installing now |
| 22:02.14 | qwerty12_N801 | Vulcanis, you have to be root to 'see' sfdisk |
| 22:03.43 | Vulcanis | well, apparently it cannot see it even then, so I guess the card is toasted. Ah well, back to my dual 8gbs |
| 22:04.59 | b-man | do you have a device called mmcblk1 or mmcblk0, try 'ls /dev' to see if you have those devices. |
| 22:05.34 | b-man | you shuld have them. |
| 22:06.24 | Vulcanis | only when valid cards are in |
| 22:06.28 | Vulcanis | er |
| 22:06.30 | Vulcanis | working ones |
| 22:07.49 | b-man | what kind of error did you encounter when trying to format them? |
| 22:08.47 | Vulcanis | B-man: it died in the middle of a format |
| 22:08.50 | Vulcanis | so thats probably part of it |
| 22:09.35 | lcuk | vandenoever, is that the one you remember? |
| 22:10.03 | Vulcanis | B-man: You mean now, or back when I was trying to format it? |
| 22:10.17 | Vulcanis | because right now it just doesn't recognize the card at all, I guess. |
| 22:10.50 | b-man | now and back would be nice. ;) |
| 22:11.43 | vandenoever | lcuk: yes it is, its cool |
| 22:12.08 | lcuk | :) |
| 22:12.24 | Stskeeps | gah.. ok. sapwood is officially driving me insane. i just found a DoS for it that will cause it to lock up with 100% |
| 22:12.42 | lcuk | lol Stskeeps your nemesis is better than you |
| 22:12.53 | Stskeeps | the itch to rewrite it -has- come up. |
| 22:13.23 | Vulcanis | b-man: No real error back then, it just locked up for more than an hour and I decided to just turn it off |
| 22:14.20 | vandenoever | are there any nice apps for doing logging of things like personal weight, gps bike route, what your doing, what your eating |
| 22:14.29 | vandenoever | preferably in some semantic form |
| 22:14.48 | b-man | Vakcanis; try this insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/mbcache.ko; insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ext2.ko; insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/jbd.ko; insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ext3.ko |
| 22:15.01 | b-man | and see if that helps. |
| 22:15.52 | lcuk | vandenoever, how would it know your weight or your diet? |
| 22:16.11 | vandenoever | lcuk: i'd type it |
| 22:16.34 | vandenoever | lcuk: i'd want something simple like google base to enter recurring datatypes |
| 22:16.37 | lcuk | i was thinking standing on it like a wii fit and using the pressure reading ;) |
| 22:16.48 | vandenoever | lcuk: :-) |
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| 22:17.09 | lcuk | thats not too far from where i want liqbase, but for now lemme just see - ive spotted something recently |
| 22:17.17 | vandenoever | lcuk: actually, i was thinking that the next thing people will add to mobile phones is allow them to work like scales |
| 22:17.25 | vandenoever | (small ones for cooking) |
| 22:17.37 | vandenoever | also recording temperature should go in |
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| 22:17.54 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: where do you send security sensitive bugs? :P |
| 22:18.13 | Stskeeps | .. probably not a very serious one |
| 22:23.12 | lcuk | found it! |
| 22:23.16 | lcuk | vandenoever, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24790 :) |
| 22:23.33 | lcuk | might not be perfect, but sounds like what you are aiming for |
| 22:23.46 | LinuxCode | hey lcuk |
| 22:23.57 | lcuk | hi there lc :) how goes the wanderer |
| 22:24.04 | Vulcanis | Well, b-man, I ran it once, it crashed SSH, now run it and get |
| 22:24.07 | LinuxCode | good...im in Germany atm |
| 22:24.11 | Vulcanis | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko': File exists (-1): File exists |
| 22:24.11 | Vulcanis | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko': File exists (-1): File exists |
| 22:24.11 | Vulcanis | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/jbd.ko': File exists (-1): File exists |
| 22:24.11 | Vulcanis | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': File exists (-1): File exists |
| 22:24.12 | LinuxCode | how you mate ? |
| 22:24.17 | Vulcanis | sorry for pastespam |
| 22:24.29 | lcuk | tired but comfortable :) |
| 22:24.37 | LinuxCode | i second that |
| 22:24.37 | lcuk | Vulcanis, you will be \@/ |
| 22:25.09 | qwerty12_N801 | Stskeeps, http://maemo.org/community/security/ |
| 22:25.23 | lcuk | so lc, did they kick you out of the UK or did you go of your own volition? |
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| 22:25.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N801: .. think i'll just submit it on bugs.*, i doubt it can do any harm |
| 22:26.32 | lcuk | Stskeeps, to report security sensitive bugs you must first obtain the IP address of quims personal n9x0, use the exploit to hack into it, and leave him a big warning message on his screen |
| 22:26.37 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 22:27.09 | b-man | lol |
| 22:27.42 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: bugs.* has 2008.43-7 as 4.1.3 btw |
| 22:32.35 | lardman | considers how much difference there is between how good/bad tracks sound with sbc |
| 22:32.55 | Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3939 |
| 22:33.19 | Stskeeps | simple fix, really, but.. |
| 22:33.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:33.53 | ssvb | lardman: what about the difference? |
| 22:34.49 | lardman | some tracks sound ok, some sound very poor |
| 22:35.04 | lardman | ssvb: did you get my email? I've not checked my account for a while |
| 22:36.34 | ssvb | lardman: I guess not yet |
| 22:36.51 | lardman | hmm, was about some of the #defines in your patch |
| 22:38.44 | lardman | "sbc_tables.h", line 364: error: floating-point value does not fit in required integral type |
| 22:39.08 | lardman | here are the defines: http://pastebin.com/m3a96a69e |
| 22:39.19 | lardman | when I try to compile, the compiler chokes on values of F(1.0000) |
| 22:39.40 | lardman | sizeof(FIXED_T)=1, CHAR_BITS=16 |
| 22:39.50 | lardman | so it expands to this: (int16)((1.0000)*((int32)1<<15)+0.5) |
| 22:40.08 | lardman | and 1<<15 is too large to fit in a signed 16bit typr |
| 22:40.13 | lardman | s/typr/type |
| 22:41.57 | lardman | also, interestingly, the 16bit code is slower than the original (original as in the new filterbank + various patches from the list, but 32bit in/out + 16bit coeffs) |
| 22:42.21 | lardman | though the 16bit code still uses a 32bit out with 16bit in/coeffs |
| 22:45.02 | vandenoever | wonders how often people in this forum say that it is time to kick ass and chew bubble gum |
| 22:45.20 | vandenoever | because i've got a strong urge to say just that |
| 22:46.00 | Stskeeps | lardman: have you encountered strange happenings of unsigned shorts (16) -> integer conversions on armv5/770? |
| 22:46.08 | Stskeeps | 16 bit, that is |
| 22:46.16 | Stskeeps | cos we've seen them on two platforms now |
| 22:46.46 | lardman | I've not been looking I'm afraid, I'm talking about the DSP |
| 22:46.52 | lcuk | lardman, you cant use the sign bit for your shifted results |
| 22:47.05 | Stskeeps | lardman: yeah, sorry, it was an unrelated problem to the DSP stuff |
| 22:47.13 | lardman | apparently not, at least not in my compiler |
| 22:47.27 | lardman | Stskeeps: sorry :) |
| 22:47.33 | lcuk | merely drop a bit in the shifting? |
| 22:48.17 | lardman | I just wanted to check with ssvb as to what he was wanting to happen in the patch before fiddling |
| 22:48.34 | mavhc | why can't I see this new ssu in the app manager? |
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| 22:51.10 | Vulcanis | mavhc: check if your repos are diablo... I had problems until I went through and changed that |
| 22:51.11 | mike_xcr | hi all |
| 22:51.14 | lcuk | lardman, fair enough, i remember all this stuff from the fractint shifted ints library ;) |
| 22:51.16 | mike_xcr | i got problem... |
| 22:51.23 | mike_xcr | i load e17 to my n800... |
| 22:51.32 | mike_xcr | and i can't run this |
| 22:51.33 | mike_xcr | :( |
| 22:51.47 | lardman | lcuk: I've just tried listening to some other songs, and sbc encoded is pretty awful |
| 22:51.54 | lardman | lcuk: much work yet to be done |
| 22:52.15 | lcuk | whats wrong with it? have you sorted the speed yet? |
| 22:52.27 | lcuk | theres always work to be done :) |
| 22:52.44 | lardman | well I'm getting pitch variations, which is probably do to with speed |
| 22:52.55 | lardman | though I'm not sure it's a problem on the dsp, probably on the arm |
| 22:53.06 | lardman | as it happens with all the flavours of dsp task I have |
| 22:54.15 | lcuk | thats not good, have you tried sending test signal notes through it |
| 22:54.30 | lcuk | to see if theres a pattern to the variation or if its just wrong |
| 22:54.46 | lardman | no, I need to write a version of sbcenc which takes something other than BE pcm data and try that |
| 22:55.03 | lcuk | or you need to create some pcm data yourself |
| 22:55.18 | lardman | yeah, just bigendian is a pita |
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| 22:56.11 | cyrus__ | Does the N800 and N810 use the same MMC driver? |
| 22:56.17 | lardman | though I've been meaning to look at the gstreamer component to see if I could easily encode mp3 say and send it to file |
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| 22:58.10 | lcuk | lardman, you should be able to use gstreamer quite easily |
| 22:58.27 | lcuk | that is afterall what its there for |
| 22:58.36 | lardman | hmm, we'll see ;) |
| 22:58.56 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, dunno. |
| 22:59.03 | GAN8001 | Hang on |
| 22:59.34 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, http://maemo.org/community/security/ |
| 22:59.41 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, 4.1.3 is correct |
| 22:59.41 | Stskeeps | yeah, ok, too late :P |
| 22:59.57 | Stskeeps | reported to bugs.*, it's not a outside-dos bug so |
| 23:00.00 | GAN8001 | Just because Nokia's being a bitch about syncing the SDK and Maemo versioning. . . . |
| 23:00.37 | lardman | where does gst-launch live? |
| 23:00.45 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, johnx can confirm it? |
| 23:01.07 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: it's a logic bug and proven in source |
| 23:01.17 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, OK, I'll set it NEW then |
| 23:01.23 | Stskeeps | i can write up a mathematical proof for it if you'd like.. |
| 23:01.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 23:02.12 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, do you want editbugs/canconfirm? |
| 23:02.13 | lcuk | back later, got stuff to do |
| 23:02.25 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: not really yet, no |
| 23:02.34 | GAN8001 | How about canconfirm at least? |
| 23:02.45 | lardman | hmm, file is here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gstreamer0.10/gstreamer-tools_0.10.13-0osso13~diablo1_armel.deb |
| 23:02.46 | Stskeeps | i don't trust my own bug reports |
| 23:02.51 | lardman | how do I install it using apt-get? |
| 23:03.09 | Stskeeps | tools repo? :P |
| 23:03.16 | Stskeeps | or sdk |
| 23:03.51 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, sure, but you might be able to confirm others'. :P |
| 23:04.58 | born2wonder | hi, i just got some free time now and willing to run mer on my n810 instead of deblet, any advice where i can get started (a rootfs maybe) |
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| 23:06.41 | lardman | ssvb: any thoughts? |
| 23:07.07 | born2wonder | I checked on the mer site (blueprints and stuff) but couldnt find links to anything. |
| 23:09.45 | lardman | hmm, looks like I need to compile gstreamer-mad |
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| 23:14.05 | Stskeeps | born2wonder: we're finishing up the installer and will be providing images soon |
| 23:17.36 | born2wonder | Stskeeps: Thanks for the reassurance, thanks for all the great work people! deblet felt right at home, being a zaurus user (running debian) and ubuntu on desktops, cant wait for the successor! |
| 23:18.03 | Stskeeps | born2wonder: .. we just had mer running on zaurus ;) |
| 23:18.32 | Stskeeps | (eabi) |
| 23:19.59 | Stskeeps | johnx in here has one too so |
| 23:20.01 | born2wonder | lol, i guess its time for my zaurus to get a little attention ( i just got the n810 recently) |
| 23:20.28 | born2wonder | yah i had debian eabi ,ran well enough but deblet on n810 was way faster and smoother |
| 23:20.39 | born2wonder | eabi on z |
| 23:20.46 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 23:21.38 | Stskeeps | born2wonder: basically just hang around in here and you'll probably be drafted to test some stuff :P |
| 23:22.18 | born2wonder | :-) , i am not leaving thic channel from now on. just finished uni finals today |
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| 23:22.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 23:23.23 | Stskeeps | but before getting hopes up, there are interesting possibilities with mer right now, but they're in no way polished. your best tools are a usb cable and knowing how to pop battery :P |
| 23:24.01 | lcuk | born2wonder, what about when you need the toilet? |
| 23:24.30 | born2wonder | n810/zaurus/p1510 (fav laptop) |
| 23:25.00 | born2wonder | love the mobility |
| 23:25.11 | lcuk | please mark yourself as away when you are ummm busy |
| 23:26.07 | born2wonder | i go by the saying: if it aint broke, then break it and try to fix it... so usb cable and pop battery are essentials in my gadgets |
| 23:26.54 | lardman | ssvb: you still about? |
| 23:27.24 | lardman | ssvb: in your bitpacking patch, using the #defines, was there any particular reason why you waited for >=32bits of data before writing it? |
| 23:28.21 | born2wonder | by the way, is the stlc45xx driver gonna be used in mer? |
| 23:28.46 | ssvb | lardman: about http://pastebin.com/m3a96a69e, the compiler is right because 1 << 15 does not fit into a signed 16-bit value |
| 23:29.06 | lardman | ssvb: was that by design? |
| 23:29.21 | Stskeeps | born2wonder: eventually - we have people with working 2.6.28-rcsomething so |
| 23:29.24 | ssvb | what exactly? |
| 23:29.38 | lardman | the fact it doesn't fit :) |
| 23:29.40 | Stskeeps | born2wonder: still some quirks to be ironed out regarding distribution of firmware bits though |
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| 23:30.45 | ssvb | lardman: yes, because it would get the high order bit set and turn the value into negative, which is not what we expect |
| 23:31.23 | ssvb | this 1.0 constant is a special case, it is handled by a shift instead of multiplication in the filter function |
| 23:31.29 | lardman | ssvb: I meant, did you mean to change the sign of the value when converting it? |
| 23:31.30 | born2wonder | thanks, cant wait for the n810 to be a powerfull network auditing system (without usb adapter/hub). |
| 23:32.01 | ssvb | lardman: this value from the table is not used anyway |
| 23:32.18 | lardman | ssvb: this is true, as the 12th entry is unneeded |
| 23:32.19 | born2wonder | Hoping to work in that field one day |
| 23:32.36 | ssvb | you can try to use something like (int16_t)(int32_t)... to shut up the compiler :) |
| 23:32.37 | lardman | ok, so your compiler allowed that, while mine doesn't then |
| 23:32.48 | lardman | or indeed put any value in there |
| 23:33.09 | lardman | has a quick look at the code to check |
| 23:34.35 | ssvb | about the performance, the function still requires some optimizations to reduce the number of operations |
| 23:34.54 | ssvb | even if 16-bit multiplications are faster, there are more of them right now |
| 23:35.14 | ssvb | also checking disassembly output may help |
| 23:35.45 | ssvb | we need to be really sure that the compiler generates the right instructions here |
| 23:36.07 | ssvb | for example, there might make sense to change the accumulator value to 40-bit type |
| 23:36.11 | ssvb | or something like this |
| 23:36.19 | lardman | yeah well the 16x16->32 doesn't seem to be faster than 32x16->32 |
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| 23:38.53 | lardman | ssvb: well the good news is your patch works, thanks :) |
| 23:39.49 | lardman | and it sounds good too |
| 23:41.52 | mavhc | people have been optimising ARM code for years |
| 23:43.31 | ssvb | lardman: I'm going to optimized SBC for ARM, it should get quite fast there |
| 23:43.39 | lardman | cool |
| 23:43.53 | ssvb | at least I know that 16-bit multiplications are definitely faster there |
| 23:43.55 | lardman | I'll do some more for the dsp, learning along the way |
| 23:44.20 | lardman | I'll have to do some tests, no timers enabled on the dsp so hard to time things |
| 23:44.46 | lardman | I also don't know how much of the pitch variation is to do with sbc or the arm-side wrapper |
| 23:44.52 | ssvb | also I guess bitstream writer can be quite fast on C55x because it is big endian |
| 23:45.12 | lardman | hmm, it's mixed endian isn't it |
| 23:45.45 | lardman | certainly in the mode it runs in atm it's littleendian for 16bit types and mixed for 32bit |
| 23:45.49 | ssvb | from the DSP side it is fully big endian unless I'm missing something |
| 23:46.14 | ssvb | or wait, you might be right |
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| 23:46.37 | lardman | it might be possible to change the addressing mode or something, I don't know |
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| 23:47.50 | zakkm | does Nitdroid work on the N800 yet |
| 23:47.56 | ssvb | lardman: yes, I remember reading something about changing endianness on the fly in the memory controller |
| 23:48.03 | zakkm | according to nitdroid page it got a update supporting n800? |
| 23:48.25 | lardman | ssvb: good good, so neither of us is going mad :) |
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| 23:49.18 | mib_hoolagin | Hello is there anyone available to help me with a relatively simple issue? |
| 23:49.28 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.29 | zakkm | By solca to #NITdroid 1 day, 2 hours ago. Add Comment |
| 23:49.35 | zakkm | does that mean it would work well on my n800 now? |
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| 23:51.13 | mib_hoolagin | I have an n810 and i just updated to the new os2008 diablo and I am having a problem with installations; when i try to install an ap it doesn't give me the option i used to get with the earlier version of maemo to choose an alternate location for the files |
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| 23:52.36 | dick-richardson | some aren't for me, either...just go to control panel --> panels --> organize and move them where you want them |
| 23:53.06 | mib_hoolagin | thats not the directory i meant, thats more the for the launcher, i meant the actual placement of files |
| 23:53.24 | dick-richardson | not sure then |
| 23:53.33 | mib_hoolagin | when I install something it asks me where to install to and it gives me the launcher's folders. |
| 23:53.43 | mib_hoolagin | before it used to ask where I wanted to install the files |
| 23:54.05 | lcuk | and where did you used to install the files to? |
| 23:54.11 | mib_hoolagin | the 256 mb storage quickly fills up if I can't use the internal 2GB or an external card |
| 23:54.29 | mib_hoolagin | i used to install them to the internal 2GB storage |
| 23:54.36 | born2wonder | AFAIK, the only solution is using the script at itt to clone os to card |
| 23:54.38 | mib_hoolagin | rather than the 256 mb storage |
| 23:55.08 | mib_hoolagin | clone the os to card? |
| 23:55.16 | born2wonder | then u will will get a more capable 2gb filesystem partition (less (1.6g) after swap and optional fat32) |
| 23:55.23 | lcuk | i understand the problem, but ive not heard of a solution like you are suggesting used to happen |
| 23:55.47 | born2wonder | let me check the forums |
| 23:55.52 | mib_hoolagin | thanks |
| 23:56.17 | lardman | ssvb: 16bit version of your filter has lots of high pitch harmonics |
| 23:56.24 | mib_hoolagin | i believe the older version allowed to install programs to alternate drives like desktop os's do |
| 23:56.39 | lardman | s/harmonics/artifacts |
| 23:56.49 | zakkm | lcuk: would a p3 933mhz debian *server* help mer development or well anything maemo? |
| 23:57.04 | mib_hoolagin | okay i gotta go |
| 23:57.07 | born2wonder | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=165586 |
| 23:57.36 | lcuk | i dunno zakkm, speak to Stskeeps |
| 23:57.41 | zakkm | ok |
| 23:57.52 | born2wonder | clone to os site:internettablettalk.com is a good google search to get results better than built in foruum search |
| 23:58.04 | mib_hoolagin | ok thanks |
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| 23:58.28 | ssvb | lardman: is it in any way different from the other variants of the filter function? |
| 23:58.36 | mavhc | it's crazy you need to do all that, I'd have thought a symlink would be easier |
| 23:59.11 | lardman | ssvb: I don;t think so, just that it's 16x16->32 (i.e. T is the only 32bit var) |
| 23:59.41 | born2wonder | yah i remeber i ran a script that automated the whole thing but just gave him the first google like assuming that wa s it. i dont remeber who made it but should be easy to find |
