| 00:12.01 | Stskeeps | notes himself two bugs found so far |
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| 00:15.25 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I assume you're gonna want a Bugzilla product at some point? |
| 00:16.19 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm, i was actually talking about sb2 bugs |
| 00:17.53 | Stskeeps | i was annoyed at it erroring at many deb packages and i think i know why |
| 00:23.39 | lcuk | ive just read power blackouts are possible. can i get an exercise bike which would keep a couple of NITs charged? |
| 00:24.11 | Stskeeps | i'd say solar cell but that's kinda useless in britain. |
| 00:24.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 00:26.00 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sure, but you gotta find an old Jewish guy to power it for you. :P |
| 00:26.51 | lcuk | nahhh i just wanna see if i can keep em running |
| 00:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | Just remember, Soylent Green is people. ;) |
| 00:27.26 | lcuk | om nom nom |
| 00:27.30 | lcuk | gnite anyway |
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| 00:35.05 | Stskeeps | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19032 |
| 00:35.09 | Stskeeps | weirdest bug ever |
| 00:46.54 | timeless | stskeeps: i have a bug where we're crashing because _gdk_windownew or something like that retunred null |
| 00:46.57 | timeless | i bet it's weirder than your bug |
| 00:48.05 | Stskeeps | returned null? doesn't it smell a bit of malloc failure? :P |
| 00:48.15 | timeless | sure |
| 00:48.20 | timeless | so what? |
| 00:48.26 | timeless | gtk is supposed to kill itself when mallocs happen |
| 00:48.35 | timeless | except this wasn't one of those cases |
| 00:48.48 | timeless | so it isn't actually a malloc failure |
| 00:48.49 | timeless | which is what makes it cool |
| 00:48.54 | Stskeeps | stack corruption, perhaps |
| 00:48.58 | timeless | the caller incorrectly assumes that the callee could never fail |
| 00:49.07 | timeless | whereas the callee has a couple of ways to fail |
| 00:49.17 | timeless | i'm fairly certain it failed because the passed parent was a destroyed window |
| 00:49.23 | timeless | and it didn't approve :) |
| 00:49.32 | timeless | no true memory 'corruption' |
| 00:49.55 | timeless | it's just quite weird |
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| 01:32.43 | timeless | hrm, places as a daemon could make my group happy |
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| 01:44.23 | hydester | is there away to adjust volume or toggle mute via the command shell? |
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| 02:05.50 | zakkm | hydester: of course, terminal can do everything . its just a matter of what the command is ;p |
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| 02:41.46 | mib_nshyx1 | hello |
| 02:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hi |
| 02:42.44 | mib_nshyx1 | sweet, this works great on the tablet |
| 02:43.06 | mib_nshyx1 | gotta get ready for the meeting Sunday |
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| 03:56.04 | FrankB_TX | How does one add a page to the maemo.org wiki? |
| 03:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | FrankB_TX, just go to the page name you want to create. |
| 03:56.51 | FrankB_TX | Ah thanks |
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| 04:02.06 | hugo33 | I'm porting a Java app (written w/ NetBeans) to run on the N810. Eclipse will generate a SWT-based app whereas NetBeans uses Swing. Has anyone in here written apps that should run on multiple platforms (Maemo being one, Windows the other)? Have you any comments re: languages, GUI toolkits etc.? WxWindows looks promising, so does Qt, ... |
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| 04:08.39 | timeless | xul :) |
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| 04:10.30 | hugo33 | laughs |
| 04:12.57 | FrankB_TX | So i made a page that would have saved me some time |
| 04:13.15 | FrankB_TX | Accessing this channel with rtcomm |
| 04:13.44 | FrankB_TX | IRC_rtcomm |
| 04:14.04 | FrankB_TX | Worth putting in user topics? |
| 04:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | XChat's an easier option. ;) |
| 04:14.58 | Robot101 | :;( |
| 04:15.02 | Robot101 | er, :'( |
| 04:15.12 | FrankB_TX | I tried that |
| 04:15.18 | GeneralAntilles | Robot101, can I install the beta from Extras-devel yet? |
| 04:15.22 | FrankB_TX | Wouldn't install |
| 04:15.25 | FrankB_TX | Not in extras |
| 04:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | FrankB_TX, yes it is. |
| 04:15.33 | GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel anyway |
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| 04:15.46 | FrankB_TX | That's not quite the same |
| 04:15.59 | FrankB_TX | I suppose rtcomm's not either |
| 04:16.05 | FrankB_TX | Or is it now |
| 04:16.21 | FrankB_TX | Any way i'd rather reuse what i have installed |
| 04:16.40 | FrankB_TX | But it wasn't obvious to me how to join a channel |
| 04:17.27 | FrankB_TX | So i can trash the page or add some screen shots to improve it |
| 04:17.42 | GeneralAntilles | Why trash it? |
| 04:17.57 | FrankB_TX | Well if xchat is better... |
| 04:18.51 | FrankB_TX | How do you add it to users? |
| 04:19.44 | FrankB_TX | Sorry |
| 04:20.03 | FrankB_TX | How do you add it to user docs? |
| 04:21.51 | FrankB_TX | Never mind i see |
| 04:23.41 | Navi | Just keep the page |
| 04:23.48 | FrankB_TX | Thanks for the help General |
| 04:23.59 | FrankB_TX | Navi, I left it |
| 04:24.16 | Navi | Add a disclaimer somewhere that if the person goes with rtcomm, they are a loser |
| 04:24.23 | FrankB_TX | Hah |
| 04:24.28 | Navi | :) |
| 04:24.33 | FrankB_TX | I'm a loser baby |
| 04:25.52 | Navi | hugo33: timeless will always suggest his baby |
| 04:26.05 | hugo33 | ah |
| 04:26.24 | Navi | hugo33: I haven't heard anything about wxwindows on the tablets since it was hildonized |
| 04:26.34 | Navi | I don't suggest depending on that for the tablets |
| 04:27.08 | Navi | Support is shaky and nothing uses it, so it's another dep to install |
| 04:27.12 | hugo33 | nods |
| 04:28.23 | hugo33 | Because of the requirements of the project, it's coming down to a choice between H2(database)+Hibernate+Java+Eclipse and GTK+SQLite+(some IDE). The app has to run on Windows and Linux (one binary per platform is fine) and has to access an embedded SQL database that resides in the same folder as the app. |
| 04:28.59 | hugo33 | That's why Java is so appealing. Cross-platform language, cross-platform graphical toolkit (SWT), cross-platform database (SQL) accessed with a cross-platform SQL engine (H2). |
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| 04:29.48 | hugo33 | ...but Jalimo is relatively new, whereas hildonized GTK would not only run on Maemo but also on Ubuntu Linux (i386) and Windows. |
| 04:30.39 | Navi | heh |
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| 04:31.52 | hugo33 | If Maemo supported Swing then I would stick with NetBeans... but since SWT is what Jalimo currently supports (and since the efforts to recompile OpenJDK w/ IcedTea to run on the N810 have met with mixed results), I'm looking hard at Eclipse. Eclipse also has Maemo plug-ins of some kind. |
| 04:32.13 | Navi | Mmm |
| 04:33.39 | Navi | Well, the Eclipse plugin that has to do with Maemo is for use with scratchbox |
| 04:34.01 | Navi | I think there might be another one that was python-related |
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| 04:35.46 | Navi | But uh, does the tablets have a nicely running jalimo port/build? |
| 04:37.51 | hugo33 | Nokia N810 has been running Jalimo reasonably well for about a year now, I gather. I'm still tempted to try to run IcedTea on the N810, just to see if I can build a native .deb package for it. :) I know it'll take ages (it's not a fast CPU) but why not? |
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| 05:21.16 | hugo33 | PyMaemo looks good. |
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| 05:32.27 | Proteous | icecream sundays look good too |
| 05:33.40 | Navi | used frequently |
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| 06:00.03 | pupnik | i'd like to see a graph of cvs commits globally in the last year |
| 06:00.21 | pupnik | betcha they took a dive |
| 06:06.06 | Navi | pupnik: why? |
| 06:06.49 | pupnik | open-source work is a luxury |
| 06:06.53 | Proteous | because no one likes CVS |
| 06:07.06 | Navi | Proteous: :) |
| 06:07.07 | Proteous | if you were using subversion or git things would be differnt |
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| 06:27.08 | rwhitby | pupnik: alternate view is that those who loose jobs have lots of time for open source work ... |
| 06:27.18 | rwhitby | s/loose/lose/ |
| 06:28.00 | pupnik | good point rwhitby |
| 06:28.25 | rwhitby | I thought you were talking about CVS -> SVN/GIT transition :-) |
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| 09:16.48 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:17.07 | qwerty12 | Morning Jaffa, feeling better I hope? |
| 09:17.16 | Jaffa | Getting there |
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| 09:34.16 | StsN801 | morning |
| 09:34.36 | qwerty12 | morning StsN800 |
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| 09:50.29 | StsN801 | hm, pnatd mention in ke-recv |
| 09:50.40 | StsN801 | in assocation with g_nookia |
| 09:50.45 | StsN801 | -o |
| 09:51.07 | StsN801 | tether -to- your tablet? |
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| 09:53.18 | qwerty12 | Probably, as it does have a radio in it and pc suite lets you easily connect to your nokia phone to tether |
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| 10:25.38 | lardman | morning all |
| 10:25.53 | qwerty12 | morning lardman |
| 10:26.22 | lardman | hi qwerty12 |
| 10:27.20 | StsN800 | morn lardman |
| 10:27.21 | qwerty12 | lardman, when you used SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE to compile gmp, did it take you massively long ; out of question? :D |
| 10:27.45 | lardman | ah, don't think so |
| 10:28.01 | lardman | hi StsN800 |
| 10:28.13 | lardman | qwerty12: I do have a half decent machine though |
| 10:28.18 | qwerty12 | hehe, trying it with aptitude and it seems to be stuck on one file :/ |
| 10:28.23 | qwerty12 | lardman, ah, probably why :D |
| 10:31.49 | lardman | trying with aptitude? |
| 10:31.52 | lardman | to install it? |
| 10:32.18 | qwerty12 | no, trying to compile aptitude |
| 10:33.23 | qwerty12 | it's a shame that ubuntu stopped providing a gcc++-3.4 package for intrepid, I had to take the hardy one and butcher the deb to remove the dependencies line but I can't expect them to keep on supporting old stuff I suppose :/ |
| 10:33.42 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 10:40.40 | Meiz_n810 | haha, i have never had this much fun.. sending faxes to all my frends in the classroom |
| 10:40.58 | Meiz_n810 | the fax service calls 3 times in a row =P |
| 10:41.23 | StsN800 | meiz the script kiddie:P |
| 10:42.31 | StsN800 | waits for meiz' n810 to be confiscated |
| 10:46.55 | Meiz_n810 | Sts: gimme your number, you'll get some faxes |
| 10:46.58 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
| 10:47.00 | Meiz_n810 | not really |
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| 10:48.12 | StsN800 | pfft :p |
| 10:48.31 | Meiz_n810 | hmm, how can i build fennec ? |
| 10:48.34 | Meiz_n810 | for mer |
| 10:49.38 | StsN800 | blood sweat and tears |
| 10:51.21 | StsN800 | sb2 really needs documentation |
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| 10:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, actually, tethering was something I hadn't considered. |
| 10:52.09 | GeneralAntilles | For some reason I was thinking it wouldn't be possible. |
| 10:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | Which'd be problematic when the cable goes out (as it often does :\) since tethering is my fallback then. |
| 10:52.48 | StsN800 | sure is, just as g_ether + nat + hsdpa |
| 10:53.20 | StsN800 | or bluetooth pan instead of g_ether |
| 10:55.38 | StsN800 | pcsuite has one touch connect too so |
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| 11:04.44 | StsN800 | wb |
| 11:05.01 | qwerty12 | thanks StsN800 |
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| 11:09.41 | StsN800 | ponders if sb2 works better with a huge rootstrap than a minimal one |
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| 11:20.49 | Meiz_n810 | i can install nothing to Mer: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file |
| 11:21.29 | Meiz_n810 | it appeared when i ran dist-upgrade (it upgraded openjdk-6) |
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| 12:09.18 | kost-bebix | Hi. I am doing apt-get update and it says something like (it's in russian, so I'm translating): "Reading packages list...done \n W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org chinook Release: next signatures cannot be checked, because general public key is unavailable: NO_PUBKEY AE384AC3584BD4D6 \n W: you can do 'apt-get update' to fix those errors |
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| 12:17.53 | kost-bebix | I've disabled that mozilla repo and everything looks fine |
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| 12:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | kost-bebix, it's a non-critical error anyway |
| 12:19.29 | GeneralAntilles | You can ignore it. |
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| 12:30.02 | lardman | http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/gst-openmax-demo-on-the-beagleboard/ cool :) |
| 12:30.22 | kost-bebix | GeneralAntilles: apt should have some key to ignore it, right? |
| 12:30.39 | GeneralAntilles | kost-bebix, I dunno, but it doesn't actually mean anything. |
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| 12:34.13 | Stskeeps | sips his coffee |
| 12:35.38 | GeneralAntilles | wonders if they're waiting on the beta SDK to start working on the Fremantle Stars |
| 12:36.10 | Stskeeps | mm, not entirely unfair though - stars might look crap in the new UI |
| 12:36.39 | lardman | has all gone quiet hasn't it |
| 12:36.42 | kost-bebix | GeneralAntilles: you're right. Now I'm trying to do apt-get -f update |
| 12:36.45 | lcuk | alpha blended luminous stars maybe |
| 12:37.08 | lardman | wants galaxy simulator |
| 12:37.13 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, last I heard a few weeks ago when it was brought up on itT was that they were still looking at the candidates |
| 12:37.35 | lcuk | wrote "universe contains lots of worlds" last night :) |
| 12:37.37 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, there's always back-end work to be done. |
| 12:37.48 | lcuk | then promptly started thinking about a universe class :) |
| 12:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | Say they pick up lardman's barcode reader |
| 12:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | The UI is only a part of the bigger picture and I'm sure he'd appreciate some db help in the meantime. ;) |
| 12:38.16 | lardman | yeah, you seen my code hey? |
| 12:38.19 | lardman | :) |
| 12:38.23 | lcuk | lardman, galaxy sim would be cool actually, and with a accel built in we could really shake things up |
| 12:38.40 | lardman | I think the db stuff is pretty much finished now, untested mind you; now I need to read my gtk+ book and get a working ui |
| 12:39.03 | lardman | give me another day or so and I hope to start trying to compile, and iron out the bugs |
| 12:39.07 | lcuk | wants to help lardman and everyone as much as possible, whoever gets stars needs assistance :) |
| 12:39.17 | lardman | but the web parsing bit I will probably need help with |
| 12:39.19 | lcuk | its beneficial for all of us if we pull together and help all our projects |
| 12:40.29 | lardman | yep for sure |
| 12:41.01 | lardman | once I have something that shows the structure I'm looking for I'll do a call out for people to improve, etc |
| 12:41.13 | lcuk | the more i think about this 2d clutter idea, the more i like it - i really need a linux slate to get a feel for clutter |
| 12:41.19 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: curious, how many people does maemo.org employ? |
| 12:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, directly? |
| 12:41.42 | lcuk | unknown - perhaps every person at nokia is involved, or perhaps quim wears many hats |
| 12:41.46 | Stskeeps | as in people working full-time for maemo.org |
| 12:42.14 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, dneary, andre___, and eventually the debmaster |
| 12:42.16 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:42.35 | Stskeeps | and the usual structure is hired by a contractor i guess |
| 12:42.49 | GeneralAntilles | There are lots of people at Nokia whose job description involves a lot of maemo.org work |
| 12:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | then there's Nemien |
| 12:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | People like tekojo and _marcell_ are Nokia people that are basically working on maemo.org |
| 12:44.07 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo in particular |
| 12:44.09 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | All told probably a little over a dozen |
| 12:44.54 | zhaozhou | Anyone here got the GPS working on the n810? |
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| 12:45.50 | lardman | zhaozhou: yes |
| 12:46.18 | wiza | yes |
| 12:46.34 | zhaozhou | Hmm, so it's only mine then... odd. |
| 12:46.45 | wiza | wayfinger doesn't work? |
| 12:46.52 | wiza | *finder |
| 12:47.02 | lardman | doesn't work as in no lock, or doesn't start up? |
| 12:48.00 | zhaozhou | I cant find any satellites, ever. Even if i let it sit at the window for an hour it just stays at "searching" |
| 12:48.14 | zhaozhou | Don't have wayfinder, so i cant try that one |
| 12:48.17 | andre___ | zhaozhou, does it work outdoors, without any buildings around? |
| 12:48.55 | zhaozhou | I've tried at the park outside the house, clear skyes and everything, no go. |
| 12:49.07 | zhaozhou | there were buildings around, but not close |
| 12:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | zhaozhou, did you install A-GPS? |
| 12:49.18 | lcuk | is this too cheeky: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25548 |
| 12:49.34 | Stskeeps | lcuk: meh, if it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't:P |
| 12:49.39 | zhaozhou | GeneralAntilles, Uhm, no. Do i need it? |
| 12:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | zhaozhou, if you want fast locks, yes. |
| 12:49.56 | lcuk | yeah Stskeeps thats what im thinking |
| 12:50.04 | lardman | zhaozhou: where fast <age of universe |
| 12:50.08 | zhaozhou | GeneralAntilles, I'll try searching for it then. :-) |
| 12:50.09 | zhaozhou | haha |
| 12:50.14 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Asus has shipped that touch computer, haven't they? :P |
| 12:50.22 | gomiam | lcuk: no, not really. I've seen worse. If I wasn't still using my old laptop I would probably consider sending it :-P |
| 12:50.22 | lardman | it should be in the standard updates repo |
| 12:50.30 | lcuk | lardman, age of universe is a bit off - it overflows before then |
| 12:50.51 | gomiam | it's not a computer I can sell, anyway. |
| 12:50.59 | Stskeeps | time is constrained in a unsigned 64-bit integer. |
| 12:51.03 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yeah but cashflow got a bit worse with things happening |
| 12:51.10 | Stskeeps | (new religion item.) |
| 12:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what's wrong with your Windows machine, anyway? |
| 12:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | Can't you dual-boot Linux? |
| 12:51.36 | lcuk | i cant touch the screen |
| 12:51.47 | RST38h | Can't you use mouse instead? |
| 12:51.49 | lcuk | well, i can but its not the same |
| 12:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you can't touch the screen of a laptop, either. :P |
| 12:52.34 | kost-bebix | is there tcl/tk in maemo's repos? |
| 12:52.35 | lcuk | tthats why i ask for a touchscreen laptop |
| 12:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 12:52.43 | lardman | Stskeeps: yeah, but we can go fixed point with the 64bit number for the case of GPS locks, 1 bit of mantissa and 63 bytes of exponent, no sign needed |
| 12:53.08 | gomiam | oh, touchscreen laptop... that I have none of. |
| 12:53.26 | gomiam | lardman: 1 bit of mantissa and 63 bits of exponent? |
| 12:53.26 | lardman | s/63 bytes/63 bits |
| 12:53.33 | lardman | yeah, sorry, typo |
| 12:53.43 | gomiam | you mean sign and mantissa, right? :) |
| 12:54.02 | lardman | could probably round that anyway, no need for a mantissa, assume it's 1, then use all 64bits for exponent |
| 12:54.21 | lardman | gomiam: no, this is GPS time to lock, so we need large numbers ;) |
| 12:54.50 | gomiam | XD |
| 12:54.52 | zhaozhou | Odd applikation this, A-GPS |
| 12:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, alternatively, just ship a liqbase update that holds people's tablets for ransom. ;) |
| 12:55.14 | lardman | probably best to raise a googleplex to the power of the 64bit exponent too, just to add some extra range |
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| 12:55.14 | zhaozhou | How does it work? Does it add a GPS driver too or is it just a front-end? |
| 12:55.40 | Stskeeps | it helps by getting the information about sattelite positions from an online source afaik |
| 12:55.44 | lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles i keep tihnking about a beowulf cluster of tablets |
| 12:55.49 | lardman | zhaozhou: it downloads almanac/ephemeris data from online for your location and feeds it to the chipset when it starts |
| 12:56.12 | lardman | zhaozhou: make sure you close down the agps-ui before starting up the gps |
| 12:56.17 | lardman | so it will update |
| 12:56.17 | zhaozhou | Aah. Do i need to restart the device or is the info already there? |
| 12:56.24 | zhaozhou | lardman, oh, okay, thanks |
| 12:56.26 | lardman | restart the gps, yes |
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| 12:57.15 | lcuk | a-gps is a psychological tool designed to sidetrack you into doing the things people say in the forums ("restart device, wait for a bit, think about stuff, feed the cats") etc |
| 12:57.39 | lardman | lcuk: :p |
| 12:57.48 | zhaozhou | haha |
| 12:59.10 | RST38h | lcuk: sounds like maemo sdk |
| 12:59.17 | RST38h | on a smaller scale at least |
| 12:59.35 | Stskeeps | is still in a love-hate relationship with sb2 |
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| 13:00.50 | RST38h | Sts: it is better than my hate-hate relationship with sb1 |
| 13:00.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, agree |
| 13:03.06 | lardman | hmm, I have a working wifi connection, but the agps cache isn't being updated |
| 13:03.11 | lardman | no wonder people have troubles |
| 13:03.40 | zhaozhou | Sweet, it worked! |
| 13:04.28 | Stskeeps | woo, i reached the 200th thanking on iTT |
| 13:04.46 | zhaozhou | One more thing though, i wont always have a wifi-connection, if i'm on the road for example... what would i use for maps? |
| 13:04.47 | Stskeeps | 200 thanks in 85 posts, 232 posts in total. :P |
| 13:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 13:05.59 | Stskeeps | so far ratio shows me it's worth doing what i'm doing :P |
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| 13:08.27 | Stskeeps | lo meiz |
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| 13:09.00 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you only got that thanks because you STOPPED posting naked pictures of yourself and promised to release the squirrels you had been "abusing" |
| 13:09.20 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:09.46 | Stskeeps | .. in a previous open source project we had a coder that took countless pictures of squirrels on his campus |
| 13:09.46 | Meiz_n810 | hi |
| 13:10.13 | lardman | zhaozhou: download them in advance? |
| 13:10.25 | lardman | zhaozhou: or use a GPRS/other mobile connection? |
| 13:11.34 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm really starting to ponder if there's even OS-on-internal-flash in new device |
| 13:11.44 | zhaozhou | It seems maemo mapper isn't in the repos anymore though.. |
| 13:12.18 | zhaozhou | Oh wait, yes it is, i had a repo disabled |
| 13:12.21 | zhaozhou | nvm. |
| 13:12.21 | Stskeeps | ah, nm |
| 13:12.40 | Stskeeps | ponders what the hell fremantle needs a 4mb linux partition for. |
| 13:12.55 | Stskeeps | with a 2gb one just after it |
| 13:12.59 | Stskeeps | initfs? :P |
| 13:13.43 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows |
| 13:13.52 | lardman | 2Gb? |
| 13:13.58 | lardman | that's quite a bit of memory |
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| 13:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | I really hope it's a 32GB eMMC with an *GB rootfs |
| 13:14.16 | GeneralAntilles | Actually |
| 13:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | They've got OneNAND listed in the kernel |
| 13:14.26 | Stskeeps | lardman: internal mmc partitioning layout is 768mb swap, 4mb linux, and 2gb linux, and rest FAT |
| 13:14.40 | lcuk | holy moly @ desktop sized swap |
| 13:14.56 | lardman | perhaps the kernel is flashed in the separate partition? |
| 13:15.20 | lcuk | nahhh with that much space, its stored as source, as unicode |
| 13:15.29 | lardman | Stskeeps: how large is "the rest"? |
| 13:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, ,, |
| 13:15.45 | Stskeeps | lardman: no clue, it doesn't reveal that. it uses sfdisk notation for the rest |
| 13:15.49 | lcuk | isnt this kind of discussion like quim was saying yesterday? |
| 13:15.51 | lardman | lcuk: future proofing, esp with so much space avaulable |
| 13:16.01 | Stskeeps | lcuk: sure, but hope is good |
| 13:16.04 | lcuk | yeah lardman understood totally, |
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| 13:16.32 | lcuk | the 3x performance boost will get eaten by the 1`0x media requirements |
| 13:16.36 | lcuk | 10x |
| 13:17.03 | Stskeeps | ponders to sleep in his office tonight |
| 13:17.12 | Stskeeps | got a xmas lunch up here at campus |
| 13:17.19 | lardman | hm |
| 13:17.26 | lcuk | wont the night workers disturb you |
| 13:17.35 | lardman | I've got one next wed lunchtime, so that afternoon will be interesting :) |
| 13:17.49 | lardman | lcuk: he should be passed out, doubtful ;) |
| 13:18.03 | Stskeeps | lcuk: not many people on this floor work at night |
| 13:18.10 | Stskeeps | and my office is quite sound proof |
| 13:18.40 | lcuk | yeah, forward thinking, they know you snore |
| 13:18.46 | Stskeeps | backside however is i don't have a sofa. |
| 13:19.22 | lcuk | always an ouchy, waking up with YTREWQ on your forehead is such a good thing |
| 13:19.49 | Stskeeps | given it's the last xmas lunch while most of us are at university, i suspect i will end up duct-taped to the wall somewhere. |
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| 13:19.53 | lcuk | anyway, must dash, theres a problem with romans |
| 13:19.53 | lardman | they turn the heating off at night here, would get bloody cold |
| 13:20.10 | lardman | s/romans/barbarians ? |
| 13:20.12 | Stskeeps | lardman: i have my heating off. 3 towers in the room keep it warm |
| 13:20.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:20.21 | lardman | Stskeeps: :) |
| 13:20.53 | lcuk | you wll have to biverwack down behind the desk and burn books to stay alive |
| 13:22.16 | lcuk | "omg electrical engineering second edition 1976, a timeless classic" page by page |
| 13:22.39 | lcuk | i should be gonen ow shouldnt i |
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| 13:33.48 | webustany | hi there |
| 13:34.16 | Stskeeps | hi |
| 13:34.19 | webustany | has somebody here managed to run diablo in qemu ? I read the slides about that, created the image with poky image, but all I get is a white screen in qemu... |
| 13:34.32 | webustany | there's something happening behind, I see logs about mmc and touchscreen |
| 13:34.34 | Stskeeps | i think chinook runs but not diablo, though i'm not sure |
| 13:34.41 | Stskeeps | looked at hrw's posts? |
| 13:34.45 | webustany | yep |
| 13:35.14 | Stskeeps | admittedly i didn't have it booting myself either, except for kernel and initial initfs |
| 13:35.14 | webustany | I followed these slides http://www.slideshare.net/hrw/maemo-in-qemu-presentation/ |
| 13:35.22 | Stskeeps | what's your purpose for it? |
| 13:35.33 | webustany | scratchbox is a pain to install on fedora |
| 13:35.39 | webustany | I wanted to test it as a possible build env |
| 13:35.51 | qwerty12_N800 | diablo runs but you have to edit the source to reflect new flash layout |
| 13:35.58 | webustany | qwerty12_N800: yep, I applied the patch |
| 13:36.05 | webustany | because the initfs is larger |
| 13:36.05 | Meiz_n810 | What was the command to download imager? |
| 13:36.25 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: update or download from scratch? |
| 13:36.37 | Meiz_n810 | from scratch |
| 13:36.41 | Stskeeps | bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager |
| 13:36.45 | Meiz_n810 | thanks |
| 13:38.54 | qwerty12_N800 | webustany, what mtd dump are you using? it has to be taken from a device with the rd flag no-lifeguard-reset set |
| 13:39.34 | webustany | qwerty12_N800: yep, I ran the flasher with --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset or something like that on my n810 running diablo |
| 13:39.45 | webustany | then I did as root dd if=/dev/mtd1 of=dump |
| 13:39.56 | webustany | (not sure if it's the right way to do it) |
| 13:41.15 | qwerty12_N800 | i used 'cat /dev/mtd1ro > /media/mmc2/dump' but dd seems fine afaik. hrw linked me to a patch that supresses those errors but it seems it's been deleted from the pastebin :( |
| 13:42.06 | webustany | hmm, is there a difference between /dev/mtd1 and /dev/mtd1ro ? |
| 13:42.19 | webustany | I didn't apply the kill debugs patch, but it doesn't bother me |
| 13:42.54 | qwerty12_N800 | no, I just used mtd1ro for a tiny bit of added safety incase i messed something up :) |
| 13:43.03 | Stskeeps | ponders what to use the beagleboard in his office for. |
| 13:43.53 | webustany | qwerty12_N800: any hint on how I could guess where it fails ? Like hooking a gdb, or having verbose output... |
| 13:43.59 | Stskeeps | serial console? |
| 13:44.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:44.18 | qwerty12_N800 | webustany, no idea, sorry |
| 13:44.27 | Stskeeps | that's what i did personally |
| 13:44.34 | webustany | np, thanks anyway :) |
| 13:44.36 | Stskeeps | (there's command line things for that) |
| 13:44.38 | webustany | Stskeeps: the serial console ? |
| 13:44.42 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:44.47 | Stskeeps | maemo kernel likes ttyS2 i think |
| 13:45.35 | Stskeeps | there's a qemu thing to set ttyS2 to be stdio for instance |
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| 13:45.52 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: what is the package called "matchbox-window-manager-maemo" in jaunty repo? |
| 13:45.53 | suihkulokki | if you try some other serial port, you might end up putting login prompt to talk to some unexpecting hardware like gps ;) |
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| 13:46.11 | webustany | ok, I'm gonna try that |
| 13:46.18 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: probably the custom patches in new matchbox |
| 13:46.24 | Stskeeps | er |
| 13:46.26 | Stskeeps | in old |
| 13:46.28 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure really |
| 13:46.45 | Meiz_n810 | k |
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| 13:47.29 | Stskeeps | i wonder if there's any videos of clutter & matchbox-window-manager-2 |
| 13:47.47 | webustany | hmm, I can access the serial console using ctrl alt n, but it's all empty |
| 13:48.02 | webustany | does hrw hang here sometimes ? |
| 13:48.08 | Stskeeps | he used to i think |
| 13:48.10 | Stskeeps | ~seen hrw |
| 13:48.11 | infobot | hrw is currently on #oe. Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 5m 40s, last said: 'great'. |
| 13:48.25 | webustany | I could try to catch him... |
| 13:48.30 | webustany | Stskeeps: thanks |
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| 13:51.17 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: heading to work, but I was able to go through the entire imager run with a kingston card. |
| 13:51.46 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright |
| 13:51.58 | r2d2rogers | will check logs and upload later today, looks like behavior is about the same |
| 13:52.08 | Stskeeps | i'm going to be coporiously drunk the next two evenings, so we'll see how i function during the day |
| 13:52.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:52.15 | r2d2rogers | \o/ |
| 13:52.22 | r2d2rogers | be safe <G> |
| 13:52.35 | r2d2rogers | I'm out. |
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| 13:53.46 | Stskeeps | waits on imager to make a proper image for him. |
| 13:54.01 | Stskeeps | for rootstrap |
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| 13:55.24 | Stskeeps | we so need a more portable way for distingusing hardware types than /proc/component_version. |
| 13:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, run a benchmark suite on boot. :P |
| 13:55.55 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:58.44 | Stskeeps | trying to get a sdk set up of some kind |
| 14:00.31 | qwerty12_N800 | odd that the omap_rng & rng_core modules are shown as being shown as inserted on my N800 |
| 14:00.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: they're OSS right? never quite cleared that up |
| 14:01.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i don't think they are, at least i can't remember seeing source for them in the 2.6.21 kernel |
| 14:03.20 | Stskeeps | omaP_rng seems to be in 2.6.25 and above, at least |
| 14:04.19 | Stskeeps | would suck to have more closed blobs |
| 14:04.25 | Stskeeps | i'm already worried about g_nokia |
| 14:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it seems likely to be functionality that's more or less optional, right? |
| 14:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | more optional than WiFi, anyway |
| 14:05.21 | qwerty12_N800 | if it communicates with pc suite, i'm erring on th side of it being closed |
| 14:05.23 | Stskeeps | yeah, true |
| 14:06.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, no sorry, omap_rng can be found in 2.6.21 according to mxr |
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| 14:06.22 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, and there's more inertia behind opening stuff up these days than there was a year ago |
| 14:07.02 | GeneralAntilles | At worst, it'll probably be simpler to talk Nokia into updating in when an API break comes around. |
| 14:07.09 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 14:10.15 | lardman | am heading off now, should see you chaps later on today |
| 14:10.19 | GeneralAntilles | I think as long as the closed stuff isn't 3rd-party we're fairly well off |
| 14:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | Bye, lardman. |
| 14:12.46 | Stskeeps | begins to seriously think about qemu + distcc again. |
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| 14:24.37 | ccooke | hmm. Been looking around the forums... I'm trying to see what the consensus is for when we can start to expect the next tablet (yes, I realise the consensus could be "somewhere in the next year or two") |
| 14:24.53 | ccooke | anyone got a better feeling for it? |
| 14:24.59 | GeneralAntilles | Summer 2009 |
| 14:25.27 | AStorm | is that official? |
| 14:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, of course not. |
| 14:25.42 | AStorm | ah. |
| 14:25.42 | GeneralAntilles | But it's a reasonable conclusion based on the SDK timeline |
| 14:26.06 | ccooke | Huh. Slightly better than I was expecting, then. I hope that works out correct :-) |
| 14:29.45 | AStorm | but it means there will be o mind-reading interface ;) |
| 14:29.50 | AStorm | *no |
| 14:31.23 | RST38h | ccooke: Just yesterday we were promised a huge deadly laser in the next tablet |
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| 14:34.09 | ccooke | RST38h: really? Damn, that sucks. I was hoping for a chainsaw :-( |
| 14:34.51 | Stskeeps | RST38h: would a chroot with binary emulation be more sane for a SDK, with some binaries being native (compiler, sh, etc)? |
| 14:34.52 | aquatix | wants both |
| 14:35.04 | Stskeeps | it would sadly need binfmt stuff in kernel :P |
| 14:35.12 | Stskeeps | then it's no bullshit after that |
| 14:35.25 | ccooke | aquatix: now, that's just unreasonable. the vibration from the chainsaw would prevent you from aiming the laser, for a start. |
| 14:36.05 | ccooke | Stskeeps: you might be able to do it with the binfmt misc support |
| 14:36.11 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke, that's what the stabilizer chip they put in there is for |
| 14:36.18 | Stskeeps | ccooke: yeah, that's what i'm thinking |
| 14:36.39 | Stskeeps | admittedly it probably would just evolve into scratchbox. |
| 14:36.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:36.46 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: ah, I should have thought. I do apologise |
| 14:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | AD5820 :P ;) |
| 14:37.13 | aquatix | ccooke: excellent point |
| 14:37.34 | aquatix | ccooke: maybe a chainsaw extension then |
| 14:37.40 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: um, sorry, there is no matchbox-window-manager-maemo in jaunty repo... :P |
| 14:37.49 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 14:42.31 | Stskeeps | right, im going to go get horridly drunk |
| 14:42.32 | Stskeeps | bbl |
| 14:49.56 | dneary | Any sign of Tim about? |
| 14:50.37 | qwerty12_N800 | ~seen timsamoff |
| 14:50.38 | infobot | timsamoff <i=cfa0a5b4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3867854df3830ce8> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 17h 42m 25s ago, saying: 'w/ a Q.'. |
| 14:50.49 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, email's your best bet. |
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| 15:17.52 | ddenis | did anyone see these errors when flashing a maemo device? "usb_bulk_write: No such device" ? |
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| 15:18.43 | Oli-n800 | hey, i've just installed screen rotator on my n, it works ok but is there any key shortcut to turn the screen? |
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| 15:21.56 | webustany | Oli-n800: AFAIR you need an applet to do that |
| 15:22.06 | webustany | (or you can use the xrandr command line utility) |
| 15:22.58 | Oli-n800 | i've got advanced backlight applet but i want to use keys |
| 15:23.39 | Oli-n800 | to change screen orientation |
| 15:23.46 | webustany | I don't know how to do that... |
| 15:25.14 | qwerty12_N800 | Oli-n800, you want sliderotate |
| 15:26.39 | Oli-n800 | it's what i was thinking about, thanks qwerty12_N800 ! |
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| 15:36.06 | lcuk | calls for an airstrike of 40,000 banana skins near qwerty12_N800's house |
| 15:36.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Shit, it's raining bananas! |
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| 15:37.33 | lcuk | no, im saving the bananas themselves until the go black n mouldy, then im gonna pour em through your letter box :P |
| 15:37.57 | lcuk | (carefully navigating the skins of course) |
| 15:38.08 | inherited | wheee |
| 15:38.19 | inherited | is proud owner of a new 8gb sdhc card |
| 15:38.25 | qwerty12_N800 | I see, you want to start a North v South war (and then cry as you lose) :P |
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| 15:39.54 | lcuk | gives qwerty a chinese burn |
| 15:40.08 | lcuk | now whos cryin b1tch :P |
| 15:40.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Mercy! |
| 15:40.24 | Meizirkki | what package contains dhclient? |
| 15:41.14 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, you, as i kick you in the zone and run off :P |
| 15:42.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Meizirkki, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dhclient&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any |
| 15:42.47 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 15:47.17 | RST38h | EHLO, gentlemen. It is your SENDMAIL speaking. |
| 15:47.43 | RST38h | lcuk,qwerty: moo |
| 15:47.45 | RST38h | whaZZZup? |
| 15:48.01 | qwerty12_N800 | kill -9 `pidof sendmail` |
| 15:48.05 | qwerty12_N800 | moo RST38h |
| 15:49.29 | RST38h | is a zombie sendmail. kill -9 will not work. |
| 15:49.43 | qwerty12_N800 | damn |
| 15:50.05 | RST38h | Release the lock! RELEASE THE LOCK!!! |
| 15:50.21 | qwerty12_N800 | NO!!!! |
| 15:50.32 | RST38h | Too bad. |
| 15:50.38 | RST38h | deletes the lock file. |
| 15:50.59 | qwerty12_N800 | What have you done?! :O |
| 15:52.32 | RST38h | Too late. |
| 15:52.35 | mgedmin | applied a shotgun to the lock, hollywood-style |
| 15:52.48 | lcuk | you bastard, you should never kick a guy in the zune. i might lose my DRM protected media content |
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| 15:53.11 | mgedmin | serves you right for paying actual money for DRM-ed content |
| 15:53.21 | qwerty12_N800 | and then you will cry? |
| 15:53.34 | RST38h | lcukL You never owned it anyway, why bother? |
| 15:54.25 | lcuk | it was qwertys fault, he kicked mei n it |
| 15:54.52 | lcuk | will return later and unleash a devistating northerner attack |
| 15:55.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Omg, I'm.gonna.be.hit.with.snow. |
| 15:59.12 | Meizirkki | ARRgH |
| 15:59.16 | Meizirkki | Mer boot stops |
| 15:59.34 | Meizirkki | at DSP pausing failed, skipping OP change |
| 15:59.51 | Meizirkki | :( |
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| 16:01.54 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: may i pm you? |
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| 16:03.07 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, sure, give me some minutes as i'm connecting via my computer as soon as ndiswrapper gets its act together |
| 16:03.21 | qwerty12_N800 | and I see it has :) |
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| 16:23.13 | zakkm_ | Can anyone help me install Nitdroid on my n800 please |
| 16:23.34 | zakkm_ | I run Mac OSX on my computer by the way |
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| 16:51.47 | lfelipe | Hey, I'm upgrading some packages for maemo, and I've a new dependency that needs to be installed as part of this upgrade, and application manager is not showing this as a possible update (most likely because of the new package requirement). |
| 16:52.59 | lfelipe | (i.e. apt-get upgrade keeps the packages back because of the new dependency, and apt-get dist-upgrade marks everything to be upgraded) |
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| 16:53.14 | lfelipe | anyone has any idea of how to solve this ? |
| 16:54.54 | Meizirkki | I thinks you should not use upgrade or dist-upgrade on maemo, only hildon-app-mgr :P |
| 16:55.04 | Meizirkki | s/thinks/think |
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| 16:57.02 | Meizirkki | try apt-get install <package> |
| 16:57.36 | Meizirkki | app-mgr is annoyin it naggs about depends, even if they are available |
| 16:58.19 | lfelipe | Meizirkki: I'm not using, I just mentioned it because it shows a possible cause for the situation |
| 16:58.30 | lfelipe | I'm trying to fix it to work with application manager |
| 16:58.30 | Meizirkki | yup |
| 16:58.55 | lfelipe | apt-get install package works fine as well |
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| 17:00.29 | r2d2rogers | hello maemo <G> |
| 17:00.36 | Stskeeps | hvlo r2d2rogers |
| 17:00.49 | Stskeeps | back to beer! |
| 17:00.53 | r2d2rogers | different card boots faster |
| 17:01.06 | r2d2rogers | got a usb network connection working out to the interweb |
| 17:01.29 | r2d2rogers | trying to figure out where to go from there |
| 17:04.42 | r2d2rogers | Meizirkki: did you say you have wlan up with mer using deblet packages? |
| 17:04.56 | r2d2rogers | or am I mistaking you for another nick? |
| 17:06.30 | Meizirkki | yep, wlan works :P |
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| 17:06.43 | Meizirkki | How is mer now on 770? |
| 17:07.17 | Meizirkki | r2d2rogers: Meiz_n810 = Meizirkki |
| 17:08.21 | Meizirkki | some pics about mer on n810 with wlan are on my picasaweb |
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| 17:17.11 | r2d2rogers | Meizirkki: still trying to get the X up like it should be |
| 17:17.21 | r2d2rogers | but performance looks good |
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| 17:18.27 | r2d2rogers | I am trying to get locale-gen to run right now |
| 17:18.43 | AStorm | hey |
| 17:18.46 | r2d2rogers | howdy |
| 17:18.57 | AStorm | skype is broken with diablo apparently |
| 17:18.58 | r2d2rogers | Meizirkki: what packages should I look for? |
| 17:19.05 | AStorm | it has a "sound recording error" |
| 17:19.10 | r2d2rogers | has 770s |
| 17:19.22 | AStorm | log msgs in console tell that it can't find a GstBin |
| 17:19.35 | AStorm | should I report this as a bug? |
| 17:19.36 | Meizirkki | r2d2rogers: For wlan? |
| 17:20.04 | r2d2rogers | Meizirkki: yup |
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| 17:20.57 | Meizirkki | add deblet repo, normal + source. then install tablet-hw-n810-nonfree |
| 17:21.06 | r2d2rogers | hmm |
| 17:21.09 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 17:21.35 | Meizirkki | You need to have the source-repo to get umac-module deblet-way. |
| 17:22.00 | Meizirkki | http://packages.tspre.org/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 17:23.10 | Meizirkki | after installing nonfree, mount /mnt/initfs to /<chroot-dir>/mnt/initfs/ and run /usr/libexec/tablet-nonfree/make-repo |
| 17:23.39 | Meizirkki | (run /usr/libexec/tablet-nonfree/make-repo at Mer side) |
| 17:24.25 | r2d2rogers | thanks |
| 17:24.34 | r2d2rogers | I'm part way there I think |
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| 17:25.52 | Meizirkki | when you have the nonfree repo you can just install tablet-hw-n8x0-support and tablet-wireless with apt :P |
| 17:26.12 | webustany | AStorm: skype works here |
| 17:29.20 | AStorm | webustany, on diablo? |
| 17:29.29 | AStorm | it dooesn't here... for some reason |
| 17:29.40 | webustany | yep |
| 17:29.48 | webustany | I use it almost daily |
| 17:30.05 | AStorm | any idea why |
| 17:30.09 | webustany | AStorm: can you pastebin the log ? |
| 17:30.10 | StsN800 | Meizirkki, doesnt work that easily d |
| 17:30.16 | StsN800 | wi 770 |
| 17:30.36 | Meizirkki | k |
| 17:30.44 | AStorm | I get some assertions (null) os not GstBin |
| 17:30.44 | AStorm | yes, in a sec |
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| 17:31.28 | Meizirkki | mm.. i forgot 770.. of course n8x0-support sounds like it's not for 770 |
| 17:31.33 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: yeah I was planny on looking |
| 17:31.39 | r2d2rogers | no worries |
| 17:32.01 | r2d2rogers | I thought I had messed up by running the apt-get upgrade, but hildon desktop is up now |
| 17:32.22 | AStorm | webustany, later, now dling a lot and connection is sloooow... |
| 17:32.30 | webustany | ok |
| 17:32.35 | r2d2rogers | getting funky terminal errors due to the locale issues I think |
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| 17:33.49 | r2d2rogers | hmm |
| 17:33.56 | r2d2rogers | double spaceed top |
| 17:34.13 | StsN800 | beer is good |
| 17:34.41 | r2d2rogers | sapwood server is the theme engine right? |
| 17:34.52 | Meizirkki | gtk2 engine |
| 17:34.59 | Meizirkki | whatever :P |
| 17:36.39 | r2d2rogers | when hildon desktop dies it hits 98 percent of the cpu |
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| 17:48.33 | r2d2rogers | where is the xsession started in mer? |
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| 18:05.21 | gnuton | hi there! :D |
| 18:06.02 | thopiekar | hi |
| 18:12.21 | AStorm | hey... is there a way I could have system-wide eq on maemo? |
| 18:12.39 | AStorm | like, use pulseaudio with ladspa? |
| 18:12.53 | AStorm | (and hope it's fast enough) |
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| 18:14.29 | AStorm | has anyone got pulseaudio running here? |
| 18:14.45 | AStorm | (it should be fast with speex integer resamplers) |
| 18:17.10 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, rc.local |
| 18:17.11 | pupnik | AStorm: pulse on NIT? |
| 18:17.34 | AStorm | pupnik, yup |
| 18:17.48 | AStorm | possible definitely, but fast enough? |
| 18:18.02 | AStorm | (yes, it's possible to have ALSA on NIT) |
| 18:18.11 | AStorm | (with kernel config change) |
| 18:18.36 | AStorm | the modded esd uses some trick to send sound over dsp |
| 18:18.42 | AStorm | probably faster that way |
| 18:19.10 | pupnik | any young scruffs show up with interest in working on games? |
| 18:19.26 | pupnik | i can help ppl get started |
| 18:20.06 | AStorm | pupnik, does it involve ai? :> |
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| 18:21.50 | lcuk | heh pupnik you have to be nice to your proteges |
| 18:22.30 | lcuk | sure, some might actually be scruffy, but aren't you meant to say things like "urban ambience" or "disadvantaged youth" |
| 18:23.07 | pupnik | i want to start a compound of disadvantaged youth, feed them gruel, and tell them what to program |
| 18:23.41 | AStorm | mwhahaha |
| 18:23.49 | AStorm | pupnik, forgot about salaries |
| 18:24.00 | AStorm | gruel and housing is not enough nowadays |
| 18:24.46 | pupnik | wait a few months |
| 18:25.02 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: thanks, I have the firmware from my maemo install moved over now |
| 18:26.55 | lcuk | AStorm, housing as well? in my day we were thankful of a place out of the rain for a few hours a day. |
| 18:27.52 | lcuk | ballsack |
| 18:28.02 | lcuk | my wifi is bein arsy |
| 18:28.15 | qwerty12 | quake1 on the n800 is being a pita :( |
| 18:28.30 | qwerty12 | gives lcuk a router |
| 18:28.44 | lcuk | thanks :D got a tablet pc nearby as well? |
| 18:29.05 | qwerty12 | actually, my brother does but I don't think he would be too happy if I took it... |
| 18:29.43 | lardman | have a nice weekend chaps, am away I'm afraid |
| 18:29.45 | lardman | bye |
| 18:29.55 | lcuk | what about one of those touchscreen whiteboards you have lying around your house? |
| 18:30.03 | lcuk | yeah, cya speedy |
| 18:30.23 | lcuk | never gets time to say bye to lardman |
| 18:30.25 | qwerty12 | lcuk, as tempting as it would be, I'm not the one who steals those from my school :P |
| 18:30.32 | lcuk | its like musical bumps |
| 18:30.41 | lcuk | you just fence them for others |
| 18:30.46 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: bluetooth working |
| 18:30.52 | r2d2rogers | cli anyhow |
| 18:30.54 | lcuk | "sorry ociffer it was my mates" |
| 18:30.58 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 18:31.17 | lcuk | nearly walked into a policeman today |
| 18:31.30 | lcuk | he craftily avoided a situation by walking in the mud |
| 18:31.42 | lcuk | felt guilty afterwards |
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| 18:32.48 | lcuk | brb tea anyway |
| 18:33.24 | lcuk | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_UumpQtp5wU |
| 18:33.43 | qwerty12 | shoves a pizza in the microwave |
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| 18:34.38 | AStorm | lcuk, :P |
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| 18:35.34 | AStorm | lcuk, these whiteboards suck |
| 18:35.50 | AStorm | most are far too unresponsive |
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| 18:40.49 | konttori_ | http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news.aspx?id=47624&fragment=&SearchType=&terms= |
| 18:40.54 | konttori_ | nokia music store cracked |
| 18:42.11 | pupnik | somebody needs to work on mypaint |
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| 18:44.49 | qwerty12_N800 | konttori_, now tunebyte needs to be cracked (though i don't have tracks with drm)... |
| 18:49.36 | Navi | pupnik: I disagree |
| 18:49.59 | Navi | someone needs to stab it with a fork |
| 18:51.06 | pupnik | Navi: wut? it's the closest thing to usable sketch i found |
| 18:51.44 | pupnik | as far as approaching sketching with charcoal/pencil at least |
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| 18:54.33 | Navi | wonders what the best way to maximize screen space with mypaint is |
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| 18:55.02 | AStorm | by moving tools into fewer buttons? |
| 18:55.32 | AStorm | btw, I'd like a non-sucky combo of maemopad+ and xournal |
| 18:56.04 | Mousey | you mean liqbase? |
| 18:56.06 | Navi | Maybe a toggleable tool bar |
| 18:56.06 | AStorm | as xournal is extremely bad at handling large documents, while mp+ lacks a few nice drawing tools |
| 18:56.16 | Mousey | oh, nm |
| 18:56.28 | AStorm | Mousey, liqbase has next page as sucky as mp+ |
| 18:56.38 | AStorm | continuous is better |
| 18:56.38 | lcuk | agrees |
| 18:56.41 | Mousey | i just want one of those that saves to opendoc format |
| 18:57.00 | AStorm | Mousey, is pdf not enough? |
| 18:57.01 | lcuk | has things in his shed to deal with this |
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| 18:57.16 | Mousey | AStorm: no, not editable |
| 18:57.25 | Navi | Has Abiword officially been released yet? |
| 18:57.25 | AStorm | marker tool of xournal was nice |
| 18:57.43 | Mousey | Navi: i have it installed, from a repo. does that count? |
| 18:57.56 | lcuk | i would like to save the markings as side overlays to any arbritary document |
| 18:57.59 | AStorm | lcuk, now, when I'm done with text recognition, might help you with liqbase |
| 18:58.07 | Navi | Abiword has some open document compatibility in the works |
| 18:58.13 | lcuk | :) astorm, excellent! |
| 18:58.30 | Navi | but the ODT spec supports more features than Abiword supports |
| 18:58.35 | Mousey | Navi: i thot the regular version already handled odf |
| 18:58.35 | AStorm | e.g. putting the recognition into it :> |
| 18:58.41 | lcuk | you are interested cos of the strokes :p i saw your eyebrows raise when i mentioned that |
| 18:58.48 | Navi | Mousey: it's not done |
| 18:58.49 | Mousey | ah, that's how it is eh |
| 18:58.55 | AStorm | lcuk, :> |
| 18:59.10 | Mousey | achieves enlightenment |
| 18:59.13 | Navi | Nested shtick, column sizes for tables |
| 18:59.15 | AStorm | hopefully the code isn't too much of mess |
| 18:59.21 | AStorm | Mousey, e17? :P |
| 18:59.26 | Navi | anchored frames |
| 18:59.43 | Mousey | AStorm: ha, no the traditional kind.. |
| 18:59.46 | Mousey | e16r7 |
| 18:59.48 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 19:00.06 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: responsive desktop acheived, killed sapwood-server and the x session unfroze |
| 19:00.22 | AStorm | r2d2rogers, :> |
| 19:00.55 | r2d2rogers | now to figure out what else to do |
| 19:01.38 | lcuk | astorm, pm |
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| 19:08.35 | r2d2rogers | anyone know how to get the gpe-screenshot tool to upload? |
| 19:11.46 | pupnik | damn |
| 19:11.51 | r2d2rogers | got it! |
| 19:12.07 | r2d2rogers | Mer on 770 http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.22298.png |
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| 19:13.06 | AStorm | r2d2rogers, a bit... empty :> |
| 19:13.22 | r2d2rogers | yeah |
| 19:13.25 | AStorm | also, forgot to install l10n files |
| 19:13.26 | r2d2rogers | I need to install some apps |
| 19:13.30 | r2d2rogers | is that it? |
| 19:13.31 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 19:14.15 | r2d2rogers | little bit better http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.22359.png |
| 19:14.33 | StsN800 | AStorm, got a weird problem after upgrading to hildon fremanrtle |
| 19:14.58 | qwerty12_N800 | r2d2rogers, i see the cpu usage :( |
| 19:15.09 | AStorm | hm? |
| 19:15.17 | r2d2rogers | qwerty12_N800: not constant |
| 19:15.31 | r2d2rogers | only during the capture or other ops |
| 19:15.37 | qwerty12_N800 | r2d2rogers, ah, good news |
| 19:15.37 | r2d2rogers | it idles down nice |
| 19:17.04 | r2d2rogers | I installed hildon-input-method, trying a restart with sapwood commented out of start-hildon |
| 19:18.03 | AStorm | btw, what does sapwood do? |
| 19:18.18 | r2d2rogers | not sure... |
| 19:18.24 | r2d2rogers | messes me up ? |
| 19:18.50 | qwerty12_N800 | 'tis a theme engine, open source anyway |
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| 19:22.55 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, good to know progress |
| 19:23.38 | r2d2rogers | worked on reboot BTw looks like it was sapwood keeping the desktop unresponsive before |
| 19:25.24 | r2d2rogers | So, what l10n packages? <G> |
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| 19:33.22 | r2d2rogers | midori loads, but I have no text input yet |
| 19:33.30 | AStorm | r2d2rogers, hmm, let me check apt |
| 19:33.50 | r2d2rogers | midori loads google! |
| 19:34.01 | AStorm | any with l10n in name |
| 19:34.23 | AStorm | a lot of them |
| 19:34.54 | AStorm | I have 58 just for en_US |
| 19:35.01 | r2d2rogers | Mer on 770 with midori at google http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.22970.png |
| 19:35.51 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, how is speed? |
| 19:36.00 | AStorm | StsN800, tell me when all the important features are in |
| 19:36.09 | AStorm | then I might install it |
| 19:36.14 | r2d2rogers | great |
| 19:36.19 | r2d2rogers | some lag on witing to load |
| 19:36.26 | AStorm | StsN800, btw, do enable accessx for x server |
| 19:36.27 | r2d2rogers | but less than maemo |
| 19:36.34 | StsN800 | accessx? |
| 19:36.38 | AStorm | +accessx option and some xset |
| 19:36.45 | AStorm | for stickykeys |
| 19:36.49 | StsN800 | ah |
| 19:36.49 | r2d2rogers | browsing and scrolling are fine, some refresh issues with images on scroll |
| 19:36.58 | AStorm | (unlike h-i-m works everywhere) |
| 19:37.40 | StsN800 | AStorm, its xorg, should be trivial |
| 19:37.50 | AStorm | yup |
| 19:37.58 | AStorm | I mean, mod the init script |
| 19:38.06 | AStorm | and build xset :) |
| 19:38.30 | r2d2rogers | http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.23149.png |
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| 19:39.40 | lcuk | r2d2rogers, "warning, you are using a superuser account!" "why yes, I am a super user!" |
| 19:39.45 | r2d2rogers | <G> |
| 19:39.49 | r2d2rogers | ty ty <G> |
| 19:39.56 | lcuk | thats a badge of honour :D |
| 19:40.03 | lcuk | can i get a toolbar like that for mine |
| 19:40.45 | AStorm | StsN800, and build firefox 3.1b2 while you're at it |
| 19:41.33 | AStorm | lcuk, I'd like one telling "Hackers may take over your machine" |
| 19:41.38 | AStorm | I actually think an invitation might be in order |
| 19:42.41 | lcuk | what happens if i am myself a hacker |
| 19:44.27 | AStorm | oh, then you know what I mean :D |
| 19:45.14 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:46.12 | StsN800 | AStorm, im not sure why anyone would run it on tablet |
| 19:47.03 | AStorm | for ease of building packages? |
| 19:47.14 | AStorm | and modding |
| 19:47.15 | lcuk | excuse me |
| 19:47.29 | lcuk | wafts frantically and opens a window |
| 19:48.16 | Mousey | ...that reminds me |
| 19:48.45 | Mousey | does fsck EVER run at boot on the partitions on the n810? |
| 19:49.01 | Mousey | i set the mount count to 38457287345628793465289734659287346528734651287346582710934650128934 and it still didn't fsck at boot |
| 19:49.05 | Mousey | now my drives are ;_; |
| 19:50.09 | AStorm | Mousey, no, it doesn't |
| 19:50.17 | Mousey | rats |
| 19:50.19 | AStorm | no fsck being done |
| 19:50.38 | Mousey | so i have to periodically usbconnect and fsck, OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES |
| 19:50.42 | AStorm | does jffs2 have a working fsck anyway? |
| 19:51.01 | Mousey | well i'm more concerned with the internal and external flash |
| 19:51.02 | AStorm | why usbconnect? |
| 19:51.12 | AStorm | ah, well |
| 19:51.17 | AStorm | these can be unmounted |
| 19:51.22 | Mousey | so i can address them and fsck them |
| 19:51.41 | AStorm | and you'd need dosfsck and the one for immc |
| 19:51.58 | AStorm | do we have a dosfstools package? |
| 19:51.59 | Mousey | nope, i've reformatted my internal mmc ext2 |
| 19:52.21 | Mousey | since ext2libs and utils exist, it works fine, ext3 too |
| 19:52.28 | AStorm | yup |
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| 20:00.45 | zakmm | can anyone help me install nitdroid ? on Linux currently ( Clone to SD ) |
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| 20:02.42 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: should I upgrade omap-fb-tools and utelnetd from deblet? |
| 20:03.44 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: and I see the tablet-hw-su-18-nonfree and support now also |
| 20:11.16 | StsN800 | no |
| 20:11.41 | lcuk | bangs head against chanwall |
| 20:11.43 | StsN800 | mm |
| 20:12.23 | r2d2rogers | k, still looking good otherwise, trying to make headway on input, |
| 20:12.24 | t_s_o | hmm, now what? |
| 20:12.30 | r2d2rogers | midori shows up on the menu now |
| 20:13.59 | zakmm | As a workaround enable R&D mode to prevent turn off crash: sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode |
| 20:14.03 | zakmm | should i do that? |
| 20:14.08 | zakmm | when installing Nitdroid? |
| 20:18.16 | zakmm | -Flash the NITdroid kernel with 'flasher -f -k zImage-nitdroid-n8x0 -R'. |
| 20:18.22 | zakmm | where should i do that? on pc or nokia? |
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| 20:18.26 | zakmm | from the mountpoint? |
| 20:18.36 | zakmm | how should i do the flash nitdroid kernel |
| 20:19.36 | r2d2rogers | zakmm: wish I could help, but I know nothing about nitdroid |
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| 20:21.47 | zakmm | Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 20:21.57 | r2d2rogers | sudo ? |
| 20:22.08 | zakmm | ... that would give me permission not found |
| 20:22.16 | zakmm | or w.e permission related |
| 20:22.18 | r2d2rogers | true |
| 20:22.22 | r2d2rogers | plugged in? |
| 20:22.23 | zakmm | but yes i did sudo |
| 20:22.26 | zakmm | yes plugged in |
| 20:22.29 | zakmm | i can see it on desktop |
| 20:22.32 | r2d2rogers | AH |
| 20:22.35 | zakmm | /dev/sdc1-3 |
| 20:22.38 | r2d2rogers | turn it off |
| 20:22.43 | r2d2rogers | and then back on |
| 20:22.47 | zakmm | ohh right flash mode? |
| 20:22.52 | r2d2rogers | Yup |
| 20:22.52 | zakmm | how do i achieve that? |
| 20:22.54 | zakmm | i forgot |
| 20:23.04 | r2d2rogers | might just does when it's plugged in on boot |
| 20:23.11 | r2d2rogers | but you might need to hold down menu or home |
| 20:23.36 | zakmm | uh oh |
| 20:23.43 | r2d2rogers | ? |
| 20:23.50 | zakmm | apparnatly it worked before |
| 20:23.53 | zakmm | but now my nokia is all black? |
| 20:23.59 | zakmm | nothings happening |
| 20:25.06 | r2d2rogers | you sure it's on? |
| 20:25.19 | zakmm | yeah |
| 20:25.20 | r2d2rogers | not plugged into the charger on reboot was it? |
| 20:25.20 | zakmm | nokia goes |
| 20:25.22 | zakmm | and the backlight is on |
| 20:25.26 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 20:25.26 | zakmm | nope |
| 20:25.32 | zakmm | ohh there |
| 20:25.32 | r2d2rogers | no clue... |
| 20:25.33 | zakmm | nitdroid |
| 20:25.38 | r2d2rogers | tada |
| 20:25.39 | r2d2rogers | good |
| 20:25.41 | zakmm | just took a long time, first time i guess |
| 20:26.03 | zakmm | (The first boot takes longer populating cache) |
| 20:26.09 | zakmm | according to nitdroid page |
| 20:26.34 | zakmm | heard nitdroid is faster than maemo, so i thought id try it out :) |
| 20:27.39 | r2d2rogers | I'm on a 770, so there's a limit to what fast can be fore me ;) |
| 20:27.53 | zakmm | my 770 WSOD'd within like two weeks of buying |
| 20:28.03 | zakmm | and i bought it on ebay for $85.. and it went past the persons warranty |
| 20:28.06 | zakmm | so i was screwed |
| 20:28.18 | r2d2rogers | I ahve 2 |
| 20:28.23 | zakmm | got nokia n800 for $145 though, nicee condition and a nice case and all for it too |
| 20:28.27 | zakmm | and he came to me.. :P |
| 20:28.33 | zakmm | so i didnt pay shipping or anytihng.. paid cash |
| 20:28.38 | r2d2rogers | one original price, and one second hand from same age, 475 |
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| 20:29.43 | r2d2rogers | for $75... |
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| 20:30.40 | solca | zakmm: still there? |
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| 20:35.14 | r2d2rogers | what's the name of the network applet for maemo? |
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| 20:35.26 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, not oss |
| 20:35.34 | r2d2rogers | doh |
| 20:35.35 | r2d2rogers | thanks |
| 20:36.01 | zakmm_ | StsN800: you try nitdroid? |
| 20:36.16 | StsN800 | not interested in it |
| 20:37.13 | StsN800 | i believe its something that should be as easy to put on your tablet as maemo and mer however |
| 20:37.16 | zakmm_ | it keeps rebooting my n800 |
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| 20:37.30 | zakmm_ | i get animation booting |
| 20:37.35 | zakmm_ | and it just takes forever and then reboots |
| 20:38.30 | zakmm_ | is it safe to unplug battery |
| 20:38.37 | zakmm_ | while nokia is on |
| 20:38.42 | StsN800 | prolly |
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| 20:40.07 | zakmm_ | i heard nitdroid was faster |
| 20:40.20 | zakmm_ | and it would be cool to show ppl .. hey look at my new nokia phone.. it runs android :P |
| 20:40.32 | zakmm_ | have no service, so i cant call ppl though ;p |
| 20:43.00 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: any thoughts on getting the 770 online through wlan or even bt? |
| 20:45.18 | zakmm_ | Debugging kernels have the console output redirected to screen and serial. |
| 20:45.27 | zakmm_ | would that mean i would get to see error |
| 20:45.34 | zakmm_ | why it wont boot/restarts |
| 20:49.26 | `0660 | can anyone else use facebook with microb? |
| 20:49.41 | zakmm_ | works for me? |
| 20:49.45 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, bluetooth pan is easy. look at deblet hack challenges |
| 20:49.46 | zakmm_ | what error you get? |
| 20:50.00 | `0660 | it tries to offer me wap version :p |
| 20:50.10 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, wlan: patched cx3110x |
| 20:50.20 | zakmm_ | StsN800: finally got wifi at home ;p |
| 20:51.34 | `0660 | that's the address i use: http://www.facebook.com/ |
| 20:51.38 | lcuk | fffffffffffffkn freezing |
| 20:51.42 | `0660 | weird |
| 20:52.08 | zakmm_ | lcuk: you try nitdroid? |
| 20:52.11 | lcuk | 0660, they are scanning browser key thingies |
| 20:52.23 | lcuk | no, is it contagious? |
| 20:52.35 | zakmm_ | it keeps rebooting for me |
| 20:52.36 | zakmm_ | -.- |
| 20:52.59 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: patched? |
| 20:53.04 | lcuk | then use a stable system :) |
| 20:53.09 | lcuk | like maemo |
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| 20:53.24 | zakmm_ | ppl keep saying nice phone... so i want to have android |
| 20:53.31 | zakmm_ | plus it sounds like a cool alternate |
| 20:53.44 | `0660 | lcuk, they don't do it very well :) |
| 20:53.51 | lcuk | but its a phone os, and as far as i recall, the 810 isnt a phone |
| 20:54.05 | lcuk | unless you know something i dont |
| 20:54.12 | zakmm_ | i know |
| 20:54.24 | zakmm_ | but now i can be like yeah i know eh? :P |
| 20:54.35 | lcuk | cant personally see the point in installing something designed primarily for use as a phone on something that isnt one |
| 20:54.38 | zakmm_ | plus alot are like like android right |
| 20:54.43 | zakmm_ | lol |
| 20:54.50 | zakmm_ | i just want it working :( |
| 20:54.58 | lcuk | then buy a phone |
| 20:55.05 | zakmm_ | no money? |
| 20:55.40 | lcuk | thats a reasonable point - i have less than no money |
| 20:55.50 | lcuk | infact i have interest owning on the lack of money i have |
| 20:56.14 | lcuk | but even if i had a zillion quid i still couldnt make a proper call using android on n810 |
| 20:56.28 | zakmm_ | lol |
| 20:56.29 | Navi | lol |
| 20:56.35 | zakmm_ | i just want android OS .. not the calling part |
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| 20:56.50 | Navi | There's nothing good running on Android at the moment anyways :P |
| 20:57.01 | lcuk | but your mates will all go "oh cool, android, ARHGHGHGHGHGHH I HAVE FALLEN AND BROKEN MY LEG, CALL ME AN AMBULANCE!" |
| 20:57.03 | zakmm_ | Navi: you tried nitdroid? |
| 20:57.12 | lcuk | you would look like a right wally |
| 20:58.01 | lcuk | gets off his high horse and gets on with code |
| 20:58.08 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: there's a bunch of patches around for mamona etc that fixesproblems and amongst others gives WPA and wireless extesisons |
| 20:59.38 | r2d2rogers | awesome |
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| 20:59.53 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: thanks, I'll see if I can dig around for those tomorrow |
| 21:00.16 | lcuk | zakmm_, having said all that, hows perforance, or havent you got it runnin at all yet |
| 21:00.43 | zakmm_ | it shows the bootscreen |
| 21:00.46 | zakmm_ | of nitdroid |
| 21:00.51 | zakmm_ | and then it just reboots the nokia |
| 21:00.53 | zakmm_ | and it loops |
| 21:01.13 | zakmm_ | apparantly performance beats maemo significantly |
| 21:01.45 | Stskeeps | yes, but does power usage? :P |
| 21:02.03 | zakmm_ | i dont know |
| 21:02.06 | lcuk | that sounds like quite significant speedups, i doubt maemo could ever reboot that fast |
| 21:02.06 | zakmm_ | i want it workinggg |
| 21:02.17 | zakmm_ | lol |
| 21:02.35 | Stskeeps | lcuk: some of it is right probably but i haven't seen anything regarding hw interfacing to produce power savings so.. |
| 21:02.55 | qwerty12_N800 | you did make sure that the userspace was on the *3rd* partition right? |
| 21:03.11 | lcuk | power savings arent an issue personally, 9)% of time its tethered |
| 21:03.22 | zakmm_ | qwerty12_N800: the uhh |
| 21:03.23 | lcuk | 3 partitions? :O |
| 21:03.27 | zakmm_ | filesystem extracting? |
| 21:03.35 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah |
| 21:03.40 | zakmm_ | yes |
| 21:03.43 | zakmm_ | sdc3 it was |
| 21:03.46 | qwerty12_N800 | also, was it done as root? |
| 21:04.08 | zakmm_ | i copied the tar to /mnt |
| 21:04.13 | zakmm_ | mounted sdc3 to /mnt |
| 21:04.23 | zakmm_ | and then extracted the tar.. to the /mnt... |
| 21:04.26 | zakmm_ | from /mnt |
| 21:04.37 | zakmm_ | and then umount'd .. and then did the flasher... |
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| 21:05.24 | qwerty12_N800 | i'd bet my right ball, that if you did get it working, that there would be no touchscreen anyway |
| 21:05.45 | zakmm_ | according to nitdroid.. touchscreen works? |
| 21:05.55 | zakmm_ | The good: Latest Linux 2.6 kernel (2.6.28-rc8-omap). Touchscreen. |
| 21:06.07 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, for a patched N810 touchscreen driver |
| 21:06.24 | zakmm_ | isnt it the same driver? |
| 21:06.26 | zakmm_ | for n800 |
| 21:06.35 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm pretty sure that solca didn't do the modifications for the N800 |
| 21:06.37 | qwerty12_N800 | no |
| 21:07.34 | zakmm_ | so im out of luck? |
| 21:07.56 | zakmm_ | should i flash back diablo? |
| 21:08.16 | qwerty12_N800 | well, you could get the kernel source and get to patching yourself ;P |
| 21:08.52 | zakmm_ | difficulty level? |
| 21:08.54 | zakmm_ | i cant program . |
| 21:09.01 | zakmm_ | know linux quite well though |
| 21:09.27 | qwerty12_N800 | so can't I but I managed for the old android |
| 21:10.06 | zakmm_ | so should i reflash with diablo? |
| 21:10.13 | zakmm_ | since it doesnt look like android will work |
| 21:10.27 | zakmm_ | wont even boot.. let alone touchscreen |
| 21:11.16 | qwerty12_N800 | probably easiest for now :/ but you just have to flash back the diablo kernel, not the whole thing |
| 21:11.30 | zakmm_ | how do i do that? |
| 21:11.33 | zakmm_ | i use clone to sd... btw |
| 21:11.44 | zakmm_ | i got 2 SD cards though .. and i installed android to the other one |
| 21:11.48 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 21:12.00 | Stskeeps | you know the closed devices stuff is shit when a new word in the danish language is "jailbreak |
| 21:12.51 | qwerty12_N800 | zakmm_, flasher-3.0 has a --flash-only option but I prefer to unpack the fiasco image and use flasher with -f -k options to flash just the zimage |
| 21:13.28 | zakmm_ | i used -f -k when doing android? |
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| 21:13.49 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah |
| 21:13.59 | zakmm_ | so what would i do? |
| 21:14.01 | zakmm_ | guide me please :) |
| 21:14.42 | zakmm_ | meizirkki: you here? |
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| 21:16.12 | thoughtfix | Good afternoon |
| 21:16.20 | qwerty12_N800 | zakmm_, probably easiest to do sudo flasher-3.0 -F RX-34<tab> --flash-only=kernel |
| 21:16.29 | zakmm_ | oh cool :P |
| 21:16.38 | qwerty12_N800 | evening thoughtfix |
| 21:16.40 | zakmm_ | so i need diablo image? |
| 21:16.47 | qwerty12_N800 | yep |
| 21:18.00 | thoughtfix | tabletblog is still down. Grr @ Google/Blogger |
| 21:18.14 | thoughtfix | Apparently they're working on (i.e. breaking) custom domains |
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| 21:41.50 | Stskeeps | home sweet home |
| 21:44.07 | Stskeeps | heh, took 15 mins for my tablet to time out :P |
| 21:44.27 | lcuk | i was just gonna ask how much you pay for roamin |
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| 21:45.24 | Stskeeps | mm, pay too much for data, but its only choice i have atm |
| 21:45.50 | lcuk | heh, good job you dont use your NIT as repo |
| 21:46.07 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:46.17 | lcuk | anyway, its friday night |
| 21:46.22 | Stskeeps | mm indeed |
| 21:46.26 | lcuk | raises a beer to the hardworking guys around maemo |
| 21:46.33 | lcuk | all 2 of us :P :D |
| 21:46.41 | Stskeeps | had a bit too much of socializing so |
| 21:46.48 | Stskeeps | am a bit odd like that |
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| 21:47.20 | badw00t | you're not drunk enough, carsten |
| 21:47.21 | lcuk | Stskeeps, :) we do what makes us comfortable |
| 21:47.30 | badw00t | your typing is still comprehensible |
| 21:47.33 | Stskeeps | badw00t: that's true. |
| 21:47.34 | badw00t | passes the vodka |
| 21:47.47 | Stskeeps | i had beer tonight, not vodka, so :P |
| 21:47.52 | Stskeeps | vodka's tomorrow |
| 21:47.56 | lcuk | thats your problem then |
| 21:48.01 | badw00t | it is never too early to start |
| 21:48.07 | Stskeeps | badw00t: and you so need to come to .dk for a good night out |
| 21:48.11 | lcuk | why put off till tomorrow what you can drink tonight |
| 21:51.13 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ++ on the screenshots btw |
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| 21:51.35 | r2d2rogers | Meiz_n810: Stskeeps thanks |
| 21:51.40 | r2d2rogers | oops |
| 21:51.44 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: thanks |
| 21:51.53 | r2d2rogers | no luck witht he BTpan yet |
| 21:52.04 | r2d2rogers | script fails without saying why |
| 21:52.13 | r2d2rogers | suspect password |
| 21:52.45 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: if you can make a scrshot showing cat /proc/component_version and uname -a, it'd be a nice touch |
| 21:52.49 | Stskeeps | (from terminal) |
| 21:52.55 | Stskeeps | i think lxterminal might do the trick |
| 21:54.35 | r2d2rogers | lxt... k |
| 21:55.05 | r2d2rogers | what's the keyboard from deblet called? |
| 21:55.19 | r2d2rogers | xvkbd didn't quite work out |
| 21:55.29 | Stskeeps | matchbox-keyboard |
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| 22:00.57 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: enter on the keyboard seems not to work |
| 22:01.06 | r2d2rogers | same as the read foo issue |
| 22:01.16 | Stskeeps | physical or virtual? |
| 22:01.20 | r2d2rogers | either |
| 22:01.27 | Stskeeps | that's awkward :P |
| 22:02.00 | Stskeeps | stick key maybe or something |
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| 22:02.37 | r2d2rogers | stick key? |
| 22:02.38 | Stskeeps | ponders if there's any obvious sys info applets |
| 22:02.43 | Stskeeps | some stuck key |
| 22:02.45 | r2d2rogers | ahh |
| 22:02.51 | r2d2rogers | but I can type the rest? |
| 22:03.10 | Stskeeps | well since you can't press enter you can't really execute in an x-term.. :P |
| 22:03.28 | r2d2rogers | nope |
| 22:03.42 | r2d2rogers | bluetooth hid is a project I'm digging at though |
| 22:03.57 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:04.52 | r2d2rogers | I have a stowaway keyboard |
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| 22:05.02 | jakemaheu | rage |
| 22:05.31 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: is there a keymap for matchbox keyboard I can check? |
| 22:05.37 | r2d2rogers | the enter key is blank |
| 22:05.46 | Stskeeps | should work from scratch |
| 22:06.12 | jakemaheu | did anyone notice that in xTerm in diablo, when you close and then reopen the keyboard, that your previous entry disappears? |
| 22:06.44 | jakemaheu | er, that is, you can no longer edit it in fullscreen keyboard mode? |
| 22:09.44 | jakemaheu | also, can I get a hand with the linux flasher? |
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| 22:10.51 | lcuk | r2d2rogers, Stskeeps this enter key problem, when i had a keyboard plugged in it didnt respond the same with ENTER and CR |
| 22:12.10 | r2d2rogers | I remember seeing keycodes in some script, I don't suppose they'd be different from 770 to n8x0? |
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| 22:12.55 | Stskeeps | shouldn't be.. i dont think there's 770 specific code in the software |
| 22:12.57 | Stskeeps | at least i hope not |
| 22:13.00 | lcuk | dunno |
| 22:13.53 | lcuk | im just looking at a whole host of interfaces for phones - do these invisible swipe methods work? (to change between apps and rotate desktop etc) do you end up accidentally hitting wrong buttons in app you are swiping over? |
| 22:14.45 | r2d2rogers | poutting my screenshots on picasa |
| 22:14.57 | r2d2rogers | http://picasaweb.google.com/r2d2rogers/Mer770 |
| 22:15.00 | r2d2rogers | taht work for you guys? |
| 22:15.35 | lcuk | r2d2rogers, yes, and you are still a superuser |
| 22:16.02 | r2d2rogers | no new ones yet :0 |
| 22:16.28 | r2d2rogers | when I get the bt keyboard working I'll make a user and try to break something else |
| 22:16.32 | Stskeeps | yeah, theming not showing is cos you launch from shell i presume? |
| 22:16.40 | r2d2rogers | right |
| 22:16.49 | r2d2rogers | I'll update those now that that is fixed |
| 22:16.54 | r2d2rogers | rebot for items to show in the menu |
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| 22:17.35 | Stskeeps | true |
| 22:22.06 | Stskeeps | that that is fixed? |
| 22:22.10 | Stskeeps | what'd you do? |
| 22:24.49 | r2d2rogers | just ran from within instead of from the telnet |
| 22:25.23 | r2d2rogers | should the action for the matchbox-keyboard be return or enter |
| 22:25.31 | r2d2rogers | I found the xml key layouts |
| 22:26.13 | Stskeeps | return i guess |
| 22:26.20 | Stskeeps | puts on a good House episode. |
| 22:26.49 | jakemaheu | has 42 episodes of house on his computer-- 11.2 gb |
| 22:28.03 | Stskeeps | ponders how to contiue with the sdk saga |
| 22:32.25 | r2d2rogers | know now how the people he usually copies solutions from through google must have felt... |
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| 22:40.53 | zakkmm | how do i fix the resource not avaliable .. when using flasher? |
| 22:41.02 | zakkmm | Sending kernel image (139055 kB)... |
| 22:41.02 | zakkmm | Write failed after 0 bytes |
| 22:41.02 | zakkmm | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 22:41.23 | jakemaheu | lemme guess-- nitdroid? |
| 22:42.02 | zakkmm | i failed nitroid |
| 22:42.06 | zakkmm | trying to re put on diablo |
| 22:42.13 | jakemaheu | don't worry, i had the same problem |
| 22:42.21 | zakkmm | how do i fix? |
| 22:42.21 | jakemaheu | do you have a terminal open? |
| 22:42.25 | zakkmm | yes |
| 22:42.36 | zakkmm | jakemaheu:yes |
| 22:42.38 | jakemaheu | alright, are you in root? |
| 22:42.40 | jakemaheu | sudo -s |
| 22:42.43 | zakkmm | yes |
| 22:42.45 | jakemaheu | then your password |
| 22:42.49 | jakemaheu | alight |
| 22:42.49 | zakkmm | of course |
| 22:42.52 | jakemaheu | *alright |
| 22:42.58 | zakkmm | im not new to the linux world ;p |
| 22:43.03 | jakemaheu | ok |
| 22:43.06 | zakkmm | just not an tablet expert ;p |
| 22:43.19 | jakemaheu | are you just reflashing the kernel, or the whole system? |
| 22:43.23 | zakkmm | the kernel |
| 22:43.32 | jakemaheu | alright, and you've extracted it then? |
| 22:43.33 | zakkmm | i added --flash-only=kernel |
| 22:43.37 | zakkmm | no? |
| 22:43.43 | zakkmm | i got uhh |
| 22:43.51 | zakkmm | ./flasher-3.0 -f -k RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --enable-rd-mode |
| 22:44.10 | jakemaheu | the easier way to do it is this: |
| 22:44.34 | jakemaheu | ./flasher -u diablo.bin |
| 22:44.51 | jakemaheu | that will extract all components of the image, and you will have a separate kernel |
| 22:45.16 | jakemaheu | -u unpacks the image |
| 22:45.24 | zakkmm | didnt do anything? |
| 22:45.26 | jakemaheu | diablo.bin is just the name of mine |
| 22:45.36 | jakemaheu | didi you enter your filename? |
| 22:45.37 | zakkmm | i know |
| 22:45.39 | jakemaheu | *did |
| 22:45.39 | zakkmm | i renamed -.- |
| 22:45.42 | jakemaheu | ok |
| 22:46.01 | jakemaheu | just a sec |
| 22:46.34 | jakemaheu | sorry, the command is: |
| 22:46.48 | jakemaheu | ./flasher - F diablo.bin -u |
| 22:46.53 | jakemaheu | er, -F |
| 22:47.37 | zakkmm | k |
| 22:47.38 | zakkmm | it worked |
| 22:47.39 | zakkmm | now what |
| 22:47.51 | jakemaheu | alright, now you'll have a bunch of file, plus "zImage" |
| 22:47.55 | jakemaheu | that is your kernel |
| 22:48.53 | zakkmm | sweet |
| 22:48.54 | zakkmm | fixed :) |
| 22:48.56 | zakkmm | thankkk you |
| 22:49.02 | jakemaheu | no prob |
| 22:49.07 | zakkmm | btw, did you have a n800? |
| 22:49.07 | jakemaheu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.09 | zakkmm | yeah |
| 22:49.10 | jakemaheu | yup |
| 22:49.11 | zakkmm | perfectly ;p |
| 22:49.14 | zakkmm | im in maemo already |
| 22:49.15 | jakemaheu | schweet |
| 22:49.19 | jakemaheu | nice boot time |
| 22:49.28 | jakemaheu | don't forget to do a reboot |
| 22:49.37 | zakkmm | when? |
| 22:49.40 | jakemaheu | if you didn't already |
| 22:49.58 | zakkmm | damn it has a weird bootloader display now |
| 22:50.02 | zakkmm | for like 0.5s |
| 22:50.05 | jakemaheu | really? |
| 22:50.07 | jakemaheu | huh |
| 22:50.12 | zakkmm | yeah |
| 22:50.15 | zakkmm | it tells me some info |
| 22:50.17 | zakkmm | -.- |
| 22:50.31 | jakemaheu | it's because you're in R&D mode still, remember? |
| 22:50.35 | zakkmm | ya |
| 22:50.56 | jakemaheu | to remove it, run ./flasher --disable-rd-mode |
| 22:51.00 | jakemaheu | as root |
| 22:51.03 | jakemaheu | of course |
| 22:51.26 | zakkmm | sweet thanks |
| 22:51.33 | jakemaheu | no prob, man |
| 22:53.32 | jakemaheu | lol to reflash mine, I had to enable the serial port to keep it from rebooting, wtf |
| 22:53.39 | jakemaheu | bacon\ |
| 22:53.46 | lcuk | pardon? |
| 22:53.48 | jakemaheu | bacon is frigging delicious |
| 22:54.07 | lcuk | +1 |
| 22:54.09 | jakemaheu | also, i love you lcuk |
| 22:54.10 | jakemaheu | liqbase is one of my top apps |
| 22:54.23 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:54.30 | lcuk | bacon is one of my favorite foods |
| 22:54.40 | jakemaheu | any new changes coming? |
| 22:54.42 | jakemaheu | mine too |
| 22:54.49 | lcuk | infact, if i put it on my favorite food it would make it even better |
| 22:54.59 | jakemaheu | bacon+bacon is epic |
| 22:55.20 | lcuk | hmmm, yeah lots actually, but ive had to do some major internal shuftying to do stuff |
| 22:55.47 | lcuk | and cleaned out the crap i needed whilst learning :) (but kept the best bits) |
| 22:56.42 | jakemaheu | yay |
| 22:57.04 | jakemaheu | hey, did anyone ever figure out why the camera is screwy in diablo? |
| 22:57.44 | AStorm | it works here? |
| 22:57.45 | jakemaheu | the whole "a batch had a hardware problem" is bs, and so is them "not being able to reproduce the problem" |
| 22:57.54 | jakemaheu | well, sometimes it does |
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| 22:58.05 | AStorm | most of the time |
| 22:58.10 | jakemaheu | if you do a clean diablo flash, it will work |
| 22:58.19 | jakemaheu | er, the chat app will open |
| 22:58.26 | AStorm | like, more often than in chinook |
| 22:58.34 | jakemaheu | if you install videocamera or gpscamera, it will work |
| 22:58.38 | jakemaheu | until you reboot |
| 22:58.39 | AStorm | like, all the time :) |
| 22:58.43 | AStorm | hm |
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| 22:58.57 | jakemaheu | then it won't flip and chat won't open |
| 22:59.33 | jakemaheu | the solution (totally lame) is to take out the battery and start it again, and it will work-- until the next reboot, and so on and so forth |
| 23:00.08 | jakemaheu | knips works no matter what |
| 23:00.16 | lcuk | liqbase doesnt crash the camera |
| 23:00.16 | jakemaheu | because it is based off of gstreamer |
| 23:00.31 | jakemaheu | does liqbase flip it? |
| 23:00.31 | lcuk | but did notice if i tried pushing it to full 640*480 it was not stable |
| 23:00.46 | lcuk | no, but it will in next release as required |
| 23:01.13 | jakemaheu | sweet, what does liqbase use for camera control? |
| 23:01.25 | AStorm | v4l :P |
| 23:01.30 | jakemaheu | also, no offense, but knips is really unstable |
| 23:01.39 | jakemaheu | isn't it v4l2? |
| 23:02.30 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:02.37 | lcuk | gstreamer |
| 23:02.43 | jakemaheu | ok |
| 23:02.44 | lcuk | i think its v42 underneath |
| 23:02.46 | AStorm | ah |
| 23:02.49 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 23:03.03 | AStorm | so not v4l2 directly? :| |
| 23:03.25 | lcuk | heh |
| 23:05.06 | jakemaheu | you should add more bacon in the next iteration of liqbase |
| 23:05.27 | AStorm | nah, it should be fat-free |
| 23:05.29 | lcuk | MORE, theres already galaxies full of it |
| 23:05.36 | jakemaheu | lol galaxies |
| 23:05.38 | jakemaheu | nice |
| 23:06.39 | jakemaheu | there's this great restaurant in Frankenmuth, Michigan |
| 23:06.44 | jakemaheu | i can't recall the name |
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| 23:07.13 | jakemaheu | but if you order bacon, they literally bring you a PILE of bacon |
| 23:07.29 | jakemaheu | like, 10 in plate with a 7 in stack |
| 23:07.42 | lcuk | when you look up at the heavens towards pisces and consider that a full arc of the universe is a pig you have to ponder just how much bacon that is |
| 23:07.56 | jakemaheu | 42 |
| 23:08.00 | jakemaheu | tonnes |
| 23:08.14 | jakemaheu | or, 10 shit-loads |
| 23:08.48 | AStorm | 10 decimal or binary? |
| 23:08.49 | jakemaheu | it's a lot of bacon nonetheless |
| 23:09.09 | jakemaheu | decimal, isn't 10 in binary 2 in decimal? |
| 23:09.32 | jakemaheu | oh yeah, there are only 10 types of people in this world, those who can read binary and those who can't |
| 23:10.19 | Stskeeps | hums along to chicane - saltwater and ponders to look more at sb2 code |
| 23:11.22 | jakemaheu | is there a good guide to using scratchbox on ubuntu? |
| 23:11.38 | lcuk | if you find one, send it to sts ;) |
| 23:11.54 | jakemaheu | i will |
| 23:12.13 | Stskeeps | sb2, sb1 is more understandable |
| 23:12.27 | AStorm | I want one distro-unrelated |
| 23:12.34 | AStorm | generic sb2 guide |
| 23:12.37 | jakemaheu | that would be good |
| 23:12.55 | Stskeeps | AStorm: i would really like sb2 documentation |
| 23:13.06 | Stskeeps | i'm starting to see why it's cool and how it's made, but the tiny bugs are .. big |
| 23:13.08 | Stskeeps | when using it effectively |
| 23:13.08 | jakemaheu | there are some apps i'd like to just try getting on the tablet (in b4 deblet) |
| 23:14.03 | Stskeeps | AStorm: i can pretty much explain some of the inner workings or point to interesting pieces |
| 23:14.17 | jakemaheu | wonders when I'll get around to working on getting nitdroid to work again |
| 23:14.21 | jakemaheu | oh |
| 23:14.34 | Stskeeps | jakemaheu: mm. deblet is pretty much dead |
| 23:14.41 | jakemaheu | really? |
| 23:14.43 | jakemaheu | how so? |
| 23:14.53 | jakemaheu | i know that there's kde4 soon |
| 23:14.57 | Stskeeps | mer is really the successor |
| 23:15.11 | jakemaheu | and easy-charged turbo debian is even in extras |
| 23:15.23 | jakemaheu | you see, i can't find much info about mer |
| 23:15.30 | Stskeeps | right, sec |
| 23:15.42 | jakemaheu | i scrape tidbits, but i can't find real info |
| 23:16.05 | Stskeeps | basically it's a continuation of a proof of concept we had regarding a bunch of thoughts i had about reconstructing Maemo |
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| 23:16.18 | Stskeeps | after working hard with deblet and observing some trends |
| 23:16.32 | jakemaheu | is it based off another distro (other than debian) |
| 23:16.38 | Stskeeps | yes, ubuntu arm |
| 23:17.24 | jakemaheu | ok |
| 23:17.30 | jakemaheu | any releases of that yet? |
| 23:17.37 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed <- old thoughts, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , previous work, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New transformation |
| 23:17.51 | jakemaheu | ty |
| 23:18.04 | Stskeeps | we have an imager/installer but it's quite early on |
| 23:18.27 | Stskeeps | but interesting stuff is already possible. http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/ , http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2860444474240852735&ei=GlxBSdmQN4qGiQLr2e38Cw&q=n810+Mer |
| 23:18.38 | jakemaheu | it ticks me off that an old compaq armada e500 with ubuntu runs comparably to my amd athlon xp 2200 with a gig of ram and xp |
| 23:18.39 | Stskeeps | (midori under mer) |
| 23:18.43 | jakemaheu | neat |
| 23:18.48 | jakemaheu | i'll check those out |
| 23:19.00 | Stskeeps | midori video is impressive |
| 23:19.47 | jakemaheu | kewl |
| 23:20.09 | jakemaheu | can you run the newest 2.6 linux kernel on maemo 4.1? |
| 23:20.21 | Stskeeps | dont think they intermix that nicely right now |
| 23:20.29 | jakemaheu | i think the open-source wifi driver needs a newer one |
| 23:21.05 | jakemaheu | i guess solca got the 2.6.18 kernel running for his android port |
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| 23:21.14 | jakemaheu | that is the version, right? |
| 23:21.14 | Stskeeps | 2.6.28, yeah |
| 23:21.35 | Stskeeps | it's the idea in mer to have a common kernel project though that can support booting different kernesl |
| 23:21.41 | jakemaheu | alright |
| 23:21.44 | jakemaheu | nice |
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| 23:22.05 | Stskeeps | (no more need for reflashing, for instance) |
| 23:22.08 | Stskeeps | of kernels |
| 23:23.03 | jakemaheu | would any of you be interested in a portal-themed theme? |
| 23:23.08 | jakemaheu | as in the game |
| 23:23.25 | Stskeeps | i'm interested in any hildon themes if they're CC/SA or OSS :P |
| 23:23.49 | jakemaheu | if i make one, i'll release it under that |
| 23:24.01 | jakemaheu | actually, maybe CC/SA/NC |
| 23:24.32 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 23:24.34 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 23:24.52 | jakemaheu | actually, by-nc-sa |
| 23:24.54 | lcuk | forgive my innocence, is there a GUI available to allow me to setup and configure my booting and cloning options for NOT |
| 23:24.55 | jakemaheu | 2.0 |
| 23:25.07 | Stskeeps | lcuk: not? |
| 23:25.09 | lcuk | NIT even |
| 23:25.11 | lcuk | ffs |
| 23:25.15 | Stskeeps | lcuk: not yet |
| 23:25.25 | Stskeeps | lcuk: or maybe penguinbaits tools |
| 23:25.26 | lcuk | ok, do we have a page discussing whats needed? |
| 23:25.28 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles keeps pushing me to write one though |
| 23:25.28 | jakemaheu | that would be neat |
| 23:25.32 | lcuk | yeah i recall those |
| 23:25.40 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i would recommend waiting for solca's chooser |
| 23:25.45 | Stskeeps | that's next generation bootmenu |
| 23:25.51 | lcuk | alright, but a chooser is only one part |
| 23:25.55 | jakemaheu | @stskeeps: those are cmdline utils though, right? |
| 23:26.11 | Stskeeps | jakemaheu: hmm? |
| 23:26.17 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i keep thinking i might have a selection of OSes handy on different memory cards - old style floppy disk style |
| 23:26.29 | Stskeeps | lcuk: well then there's my .item system.. |
| 23:26.50 | jakemaheu | .item system? |
| 23:26.56 | Stskeeps | deblet bootmenu |
| 23:26.59 | jakemaheu | ah |
| 23:27.08 | Stskeeps | instead of a static bootmenu.conf |
| 23:27.12 | jakemaheu | ok |
| 23:27.41 | jakemaheu | interesting |
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| 23:28.18 | lcuk | is the password lock thing at BOIS level, or part of the default maemo stack? |
| 23:28.24 | lcuk | BIOS as well |
| 23:28.29 | Stskeeps | lcuk: maemo thing really. mce and systemui |
| 23:28.31 | lcuk | my fingers are cold tonight |
| 23:28.33 | Stskeeps | it's in CAL |
| 23:29.05 | AStorm | yup, but isn't the code stored somewhere fairly safe? |
| 23:29.07 | lcuk | so using an alternative would bypass the bootpass |
| 23:29.10 | Stskeeps | AStorm: nop |
| 23:29.14 | Stskeeps | AStorm: CAL |
| 23:29.50 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, but against the average non-qwerty12, it's not trivial |
| 23:30.33 | lcuk | yeah but if theres a big "insert workbench disk" coming up on everyboot, its not rocket science for someone to follow the breadcrumbs |
| 23:30.46 | jakemaheu | we really need to get penguinbait, qwerty12, solca and lcuk working on the same android project |
| 23:31.05 | jakemaheu | we have one that doesn't work with apps |
| 23:31.25 | lcuk | excuse me? android |
| 23:31.34 | jakemaheu | one that doesn't work without partitioning and tablet-threatening situations |
| 23:31.35 | jakemaheu | yeah |
| 23:31.41 | jakemaheu | you're good, lcuk |
| 23:32.18 | lcuk | why thank you :) |
| 23:32.34 | jakemaheu | also GeneralAntillies (sp?) |
| 23:32.44 | jakemaheu | plus qole, duh |
| 23:32.51 | jakemaheu | it's like a super dev team |
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| 23:34.52 | Stskeeps | jakemaheu: though.. there's no way in hell nokia would back an android project, other than maybe making room for the existence |
| 23:35.10 | jakemaheu | we don't need nokia's help |
| 23:35.11 | Stskeeps | and same generic kernel driver stuff |
| 23:35.21 | lcuk | holds his hand up |
| 23:35.23 | jakemaheu | we have an open-source driver |
| 23:35.26 | Stskeeps | trust me.. if you want to work seriously on the tablets, you do |
| 23:35.29 | jakemaheu | yes, lcuk? |
| 23:35.37 | Stskeeps | you still need to redistribute wifi firmware, talk with BME, etc |
| 23:36.00 | lcuk | my nokia isnt a phone, its a computer. whats the point in having a phone OS when you can't use its primary function? (im repeating myself) |
| 23:36.23 | jakemaheu | android is cool-- have you ever played with a G1? |
| 23:36.29 | Stskeeps | 'reboot' |
| 23:36.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:36.32 | glass_ | androids app model is certainly not cool |
| 23:36.33 | jakemaheu | i have-- it's magic even on edge |
| 23:36.52 | jakemaheu | some of the apps I would kill for on maemo, though |
| 23:36.59 | glass_ | androids as magical as a sidekick |
| 23:37.17 | jakemaheu | what is the reason for your opinions? |
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| 23:37.27 | lcuk | maemo.org is magic too :) and im really looking forward to having a full powerful computer in my hand :) |
| 23:37.35 | glass_ | dunno. people sorta pay me for my opinions |
| 23:37.45 | jakemaheu | interesting, brb |
| 23:37.48 | Stskeeps | jakemaheu: my opinion is based on hard work getting alternative distro working on tablets. |
| 23:37.48 | glass_ | the reason is that android is actually a lot like sidekick as a platform |
| 23:38.05 | glass_ | and that app model isn't cool in my opinion |
| 23:38.08 | suihkulokki | probably better than replacing the whole system with android is to make android just another app launched from maemo |
| 23:38.11 | lcuk | it is |
| 23:38.15 | glass_ | suihkulokki: exactly |
| 23:38.20 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: indeed |
| 23:38.26 | lcuk | but its not everything |
| 23:40.00 | Stskeeps | continues burying himself in sb2 code. |
| 23:40.10 | jakemaheu | nice |
| 23:40.24 | jakemaheu | i miss spending this much time on irc |
| 23:40.29 | jakemaheu | stupid high school |
| 23:41.17 | jakemaheu | is cooking grilled cheese |
| 23:42.00 | Stskeeps | it's really awkward how symlink /foo/bar/baz -> ../abc/cde, rm /foo/bar/baz will not work, but rm foo/bar/baz will. that really screws up a lot of postinst scripts |
| 23:42.17 | lcuk | lol sts you keep pushing that bug, move on :P |
| 23:42.26 | Stskeeps | sorry, it's just close to heart :P |
| 23:42.40 | jakemaheu | is there a radio api? |
| 23:42.46 | Stskeeps | fm radio? |
| 23:42.59 | jakemaheu | yeah, it'd be neat to have in canola |
| 23:43.19 | Stskeeps | fairly easy to use, think i saw a fmradio python module |
| 23:43.25 | jakemaheu | interesting |
| 23:43.46 | jakemaheu | first, of course, i have to figure out sb2 and then coding, lol |
| 23:44.20 | lcuk | jake :) i compile directly on device |
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| 23:44.28 | jakemaheu | guess what movie i'm seeing at 9:05? |
| 23:44.31 | jakemaheu | ah, neat |
| 23:44.31 | lcuk | cuts out a big step of messing |
| 23:44.38 | jakemaheu | how do you do it? |
| 23:44.54 | lcuk | install compiler and libraries and build my code |
| 23:45.07 | jakemaheu | huh, do you use the sb compiler? |
| 23:45.18 | lcuk | no, i use gcc |
| 23:45.41 | lcuk | its obtained from the same SDK repository that scratchbox uses for armel though |
| 23:46.45 | jakemaheu | cool |
| 23:47.20 | jakemaheu | i bet it takes a while though: http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 23:47.43 | jakemaheu | it's true, though |
| 23:48.14 | lcuk | no actually, if i recompile each modified file and work like i normally do, compilation and running is very similar to compiling in scratchbox and then transfering and executing the binary |
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| 23:48.38 | lcuk | full rebuild gives me a chance for a cuppa, but its certainly workable |
| 23:48.48 | jakemaheu | nice |
| 23:49.06 | lcuk | faster than .net building ever was |
| 23:49.07 | lcuk | brb |
| 23:49.33 | jakemaheu | kk |
| 23:51.48 | jakemaheu | brb, grilled cheese + tomato soup |
| 23:53.28 | jakemaheu | back |
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| 23:54.43 | jakemaheu | i like that approach, though-- only compiling the modified files |
| 23:57.55 | jakemaheu | what language does sb compile in? |
| 23:58.02 | jakemaheu | isn't it just c? |
