| 00:00.10 | qwerty12_N801 | GeneralAntilles, same, i don't have any experience with it either :/ |
| 00:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N801, those deb packages were just way to evil. :P |
| 00:01.21 | qwerty12_N801 | Especially with Linus saying how linux should be pronounced on bootup :p |
| 00:02.08 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
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| 00:07.25 | jakemaheu | has anyone tried nitdroid on the n800 yet? |
| 00:08.32 | qwerty12_N801 | you could be the first, but then you'll find you won't be able to use tne touchscreen |
| 00:09.42 | jakemaheu | eff |
| 00:11.09 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:11.16 | zakkm | is it speedy yet? |
| 00:11.19 | zakkm | compared to maemo? |
| 00:11.33 | jakemaheu | i dunno, i've gotta do a few more things |
| 00:11.40 | jakemaheu | it appears to be, besides bootup |
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| 01:47.45 | whooper | hey guise |
| 01:48.00 | whooper | i got nitdroid working-- kinda |
| 01:48.27 | whooper | however, i get some errors |
| 01:48.46 | whooper | anyone know how to help? |
| 01:49.47 | whooper | anybody? |
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| 02:09.16 | jagernot | got a youtube video of boxar now |
| 02:09.22 | jagernot | if anyone wants to see.. |
| 02:16.18 | disco_stu | jagernot, i want to see it |
| 02:16.32 | jagernot | hehe disco |
| 02:16.43 | jagernot | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tRQI4-7u46c |
| 02:16.44 | disco_stu | whats up |
| 02:17.00 | jagernot | didnt know 1 could play deep purple on boxar :D |
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| 02:17.05 | jagernot | that really made my day |
| 02:18.19 | disco_stu | the only piece of music i could put together |
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| 02:25.34 | disco_stu | someone refusing to use matchbox? |
| 02:25.49 | jagernot | disco_stu u saw it? |
| 02:26.07 | disco_stu | jagernot, yeah, liked it :) |
| 02:26.23 | jagernot | sorry i just nicked ur tune ;) |
| 02:26.37 | disco_stu | its awesome :) |
| 02:27.03 | jagernot | did u get the latest version? |
| 02:27.09 | jagernot | thats got the decay time adjust on it |
| 02:27.21 | jagernot | but then ah u dont have a keyboard on n800 |
| 02:27.33 | jagernot | u have to keep clicking the menu option then ... sorry :) |
| 02:28.04 | disco_stu | i have an usb kbd sometimes use for mailing |
| 02:28.37 | disco_stu | my n800 is about to lose power |
| 02:28.48 | disco_stu | i need to plug it now |
| 02:29.19 | jagernot | all the synth parameters can be played with now |
| 02:29.21 | GeneralAntilles | Gogogo |
| 02:29.56 | jagernot | general how r u |
| 02:30.14 | jagernot | sorry about yesterday just lost it for a few seconds |
| 02:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | Bored with studying |
| 02:31.19 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, is there any way i could switch batteries wthout turning nit off |
| 02:31.25 | r2d2rogers | Good Evening |
| 02:31.28 | GeneralAntilles | If only |
| 02:31.37 | GeneralAntilles | But, no, disco_stu, there's no "fat cap" to keep it alive. |
| 02:31.46 | r2d2rogers | anyone up to helping me trouble shoot a failed mer imager run? |
| 02:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, I wish there were, since it'd be such a simple thing to add |
| 02:32.35 | disco_stu | because some guy told me he was running his nit without a battery |
| 02:32.54 | disco_stu | he plugged the charger and removed bat |
| 02:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, he's either lying or did some surgery to solder on power leads directly to the battery terminals |
| 02:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | That's a lie. |
| 02:33.21 | GeneralAntilles | Suspend to disk might be a workable option |
| 02:34.35 | jagernot | disco_stu do u have the power on drama too? |
| 02:34.44 | jagernot | i have that with my n810 |
| 02:34.59 | jagernot | i found a few minutes in the freezer works..so far |
| 02:35.05 | jagernot | wrap it up in a plastic cover |
| 02:38.18 | GeneralAntilles | jagernot, um, did you upgrade the firmware? :\ |
| 02:39.20 | jagernot | no general, im too scared... |
| 02:39.26 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 02:39.32 | jagernot | i have a nice environment going |
| 02:39.39 | jagernot | i write code, it runs on the tablet |
| 02:40.02 | jagernot | everytime i try to do this upgrade/downgrade i tend to brick it for a week at least |
| 02:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | So you're running what, 42-19? |
| 02:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | :\ |
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| 02:40.39 | jagernot | hehe better..50-2 |
| 02:40.47 | jagernot | 2.2007.50-2 |
| 02:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Still old |
| 02:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | 51-3 has the NOLO fixes |
| 02:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, that's WAAAY old |
| 02:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | upgrade to Diablo already. |
| 02:41.21 | jagernot | can i downgrade if it doesnt work? |
| 02:41.28 | disco_stu | jagernot: yes |
| 02:41.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 02:41.33 | disco_stu | but you wont |
| 02:41.39 | GeneralAntilles | You can flash whatever you want with the FIASCO images |
| 02:41.42 | jagernot | do i have to recompile boxar? |
| 02:41.52 | disco_stu | no |
| 02:41.58 | jagernot | nice |
| 02:42.09 | jagernot | so that means esound (whatever u think general ;) works |
| 02:42.10 | jagernot | nice |
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| 02:42.53 | disco_stu | is going to play css for a while |
| 02:42.54 | jagernot | once ive submitted my entry to the nokia competition i will do this i think |
| 02:43.32 | jagernot | so in a week's time |
| 02:46.22 | jagernot | i think its an exciting time for maemo |
| 02:46.29 | jagernot | if it gets on a future nokia phone even better |
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| 03:24.02 | fiferboy | There's a new Personal Menu in extras-devel |
| 03:26.52 | fiferboy | If anyone finds any problems, let me know |
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| 03:59.03 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong (though I got to sleep soon) |
| 03:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I was gonna ask where to file #3922 |
| 03:59.14 | timeless | sleep is for the week |
| 03:59.17 | timeless | sleep is for the weak |
| 03:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | But I just stuck it in SDK general |
| 03:59.35 | GeneralAntilles | Sleeping all week sounds good to me. |
| 03:59.42 | andre__ | sleep? overestimated |
| 04:00.04 | andre__ | *shrug* |
| 04:00.05 | andre__ | dunnp |
| 04:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | Quim'll take care of it anyway. |
| 04:00.20 | timeless | s/estimated/rated/ |
| 04:00.42 | andre__ | right :) |
| 04:01.04 | andre__ | (don't expect me to speak proper english when i just got home from the club 5 min ago and am a bit drunk) |
| 04:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | Oh we'll expect it alright |
| 04:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | and you should expect lashings if you fail. :P |
| 04:02.55 | andre__ | yay |
| 04:03.04 | andre__ | i'll take a video fo that |
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| 04:06.50 | andre__ | sleep. tomorrow. |
| 04:09.06 | GeneralAntilles | 'night |
| 04:12.33 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: whats up |
| 04:12.38 | disco_stu | im bored |
| 04:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | I'm playing CoD4 |
| 04:13.20 | disco_stu | i play css |
| 04:13.52 | disco_stu | ill go to bed |
| 04:13.56 | disco_stu | n8 all |
| 04:23.25 | r2d2rogers | I don't understand this blanking out the osso-xterm is doing on attempts to install the bootmenu.deb |
| 04:24.47 | r2d2rogers | goes white has to be x'ed ouy |
| 04:24.49 | r2d2rogers | out |
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| 05:08.05 | zetheroo | is there a place to talk about the N95? |
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| 05:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | Probably not on Freenode |
| 05:19.37 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe #symbian? |
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| 05:24.26 | zetheroo | oh |
| 05:24.30 | zetheroo | is that the OS? |
| 05:24.54 | zetheroo | Symbian is something else than Linux right? |
| 05:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian |
| 05:25.56 | zetheroo | I just got the N95 ... its pretty sweet ... but I wish it was Linux :) |
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| 05:54.04 | l7 | did links disappear from the extras repo? |
| 05:59.04 | l7 | yeah, i have been thinking of getting a Symbian phone |
| 05:59.28 | l7 | dunno if i really like the Symbian environment though |
| 05:59.42 | l7 | it does have a lot of apps, but i would like access to linux tools |
| 05:59.58 | pupnik | True Story? Middle-School teacher siezes linux disks from kid. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html |
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| 06:22.23 | l7 | someone needs to get the guys from the Linux Action Show to intervene |
| 06:24.59 | l7 | Mr. Starks, I along with many others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back. |
| 06:25.14 | l7 | sounds a bit too silly to be real though |
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| 06:51.39 | l7 | ls |
| 06:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | IRC: ls: command not found |
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| 06:57.31 | l7 | heh |
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| 06:58.25 | l7 | speaking of shells, i noticed that bash-setup disabled the ctrl-l clear screen feature |
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| 08:41.32 | Meiz_n810 | mmm lxde now available |
| 08:41.44 | Meiz_n810 | for mer/ubuntu |
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| 08:57.19 | X-Fade | Morning |
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| 09:00.48 | Norrit_ | Has anybody any idea why my N810 restarts if I try to use certain USB-device with it |
| 09:04.14 | AStorm | kernel bug? |
| 09:04.16 | AStorm | :> |
| 09:04.32 | AStorm | and then watchdog kicks it around |
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| 09:08.06 | RST38h | moo all |
| 09:08.19 | Norrit_ | Well...that would be pretty dramatic...I don't know...maybe...Any good ways to trace this kiond of fault |
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| 09:09.35 | ShadowJK | what kind of usb devices? |
| 09:09.55 | Norrit_ | MP3 players... |
| 09:10.12 | AStorm | aka usb storage? |
| 09:10.24 | AStorm | probabbly tried to draw too much power |
| 09:10.30 | AStorm | do yoz have a powered hub? |
| 09:10.34 | AStorm | *you |
| 09:10.37 | ShadowJK | Especially if they charge through USB |
| 09:11.00 | AStorm | but then, the device shouldn't crash |
| 09:11.12 | Norrit_ | Yeh...I have powered hub and storage feature is disabled with both players |
| 09:11.21 | AStorm | hmm |
| 09:11.40 | AStorm | so what should they look like to n810 |
| 09:11.52 | AStorm | w/o any usb storage? :> |
| 09:12.09 | AStorm | probably the camera windoze protocol |
| 09:12.45 | Norrit_ | The main idea is to to try get these work with our app which uses MTP. |
| 09:13.28 | AStorm | mhm |
| 09:13.32 | Norrit_ | But I have now strugled with this for a while and I have noticed that tabled might crash only using "lsmod" commmand |
| 09:13.56 | AStorm | still, 99% it's a kernel bug... never seen any like it |
| 09:14.06 | AStorm | is the usb in host mode or otg? |
| 09:14.27 | Norrit_ | host mode... |
| 09:14.43 | AStorm | hm |
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| 09:15.06 | RST38h | AStorm: I installed that OE SDK yesterday |
| 09:15.19 | RST38h | AStorm: No X11 in sight (DirectFB only). Still 1GB+ in size |
| 09:15.30 | AStorm | ouch |
| 09:15.43 | AStorm | du -hs * and follow |
| 09:15.52 | RST38h | yea, that is what I wanna do |
| 09:15.53 | AStorm | find the culprit |
| 09:16.03 | AStorm | and bash them to hell |
| 09:16.54 | Norrit_ | At first I though that it was because libmtp but it must be related to usb-functionality of linux, because only inspecting of the USB causes the crash |
| 09:17.27 | AStorm | kernel bug, again |
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| 09:17.42 | AStorm | grab syslog and throw it over usbnet to some other machine |
| 09:17.51 | AStorm | might catch the oops |
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| 09:20.18 | Norrit_ | OK...I just wonder might it be because devices doesn't support (disabled) storeage feature...when I attach the device, maemo says that "unable to connect, no file system available" |
| 09:20.42 | AStorm | heh |
| 09:20.54 | AStorm | it shouldn't crash anyway |
| 09:21.09 | Norrit_ | that's true also ;-) |
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| 09:23.04 | Norrit_ | ok..."grap syslog"...meaning....? |
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| 09:28.38 | Norrit_ | Do you mean "dmesg"? that's one I have been monitored..../var/log folder is empty |
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| 09:30.31 | X-Fade | Norrit_: You need to install syslog first. |
| 09:30.58 | Norrit_ | Ou...ok... |
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| 09:41.57 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:52.31 | RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/ |
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| 10:07.50 | Meiz_n810 | Matchbox-kb s good enough while h-i-m is not working yet |
| 10:08.30 | Meiz_n810 | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer# |
| 10:10.18 | X-Fade | Meiz_n810: Heh, massive amount of keys :) |
| 10:11.54 | RST38h | Meiz: Can this be backported to vanilla Maemo? |
| 10:13.11 | aquatix | notices midori |
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| 10:36.35 | woglinde | hi |
| 10:36.41 | Rhoruns- | hello |
| 10:41.37 | Meiz_n810 | RST28h: maybe: souce is alailable |
| 10:41.47 | Meiz_n810 | it's moblin-keyboard-manager |
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| 10:46.24 | RST38h | ah |
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| 10:50.27 | RST38h | http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/vertu-boucheron-150-1.jpg |
| 10:51.08 | RST38h | Who buys those, anyway? |
| 10:51.22 | glass_ | someone with lot of money |
| 10:51.34 | RST38h | and no taste whatsoever? |
| 10:51.44 | glass_ | well yeah |
| 10:51.49 | glass_ | i'd buy one as a joke if i had zillions |
| 10:51.57 | glass_ | and then treat it like a shitter |
| 10:52.02 | RST38h | would you...mmm...use it? |
| 10:52.22 | glass_ | well yeah, for hammering nails and stuff and maybe for answering |
| 10:52.40 | glass_ | dunno if it's good for sniffing coke |
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| 10:54.37 | RST38h | not good for hammering nails as the gold is a rather soft metal |
| 10:54.55 | RST38h | coke - yes, maybe, wonder if it has got a special compartment for it =) |
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| 11:08.37 | Norrit_ | AStrom: I found a bug (3281) which is VERY similar to mine...I have to read the conversation of that bug if theres some help.... |
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| 11:09.39 | Stskeeps | ponders why his work n800 won't charge |
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| 11:13.04 | Stskeeps | lo johnx |
| 11:13.27 | johnx | managed to get some inet access |
| 11:14.04 | lardman | morning |
| 11:14.13 | Stskeeps | you doing alright then johnx? |
| 11:14.37 | johnx | on my n800 though... |
| 11:15.00 | johnx | yeah, doing fine :) |
| 11:15.01 | woglinde | he johnx |
| 11:15.47 | johnx | got some catching up to do it seems |
| 11:15.57 | Stskeeps | sure enough |
| 11:16.24 | Stskeeps | want a short summary? |
| 11:18.31 | johnx | i'll rtfm ;) |
| 11:18.36 | Stskeeps | hehe, alright |
| 11:19.18 | johnx | unless you have info that's not commonly available. then i'd love to hear it :D |
| 11:19.24 | Stskeeps | Maemo 5 Reveals its Features, is pretty interesting, and the announcement of pre-alpha |
| 11:19.42 | Stskeeps | and that nokia is not going to have fremantle on n8x0, but they will support the community in efforts of backporting |
| 11:20.00 | Stskeeps | and relicensing for needed components |
| 11:20.16 | Stskeeps | so we're basically stumbling to organize Mer as a real project now |
| 11:20.36 | Stskeeps | meiz has been playing with Mer and has some nice scrshots up :P |
| 11:21.17 | Stskeeps | and solca has a interesting kexec experiment going, and 2.6.28-rc6 |
| 11:27.11 | johnx | gah. i'm really missing out. :/ |
| 11:27.30 | Stskeeps | hehe, not really, it came like a firestorm all of this monday |
| 11:27.41 | Stskeeps | i was nearly going insane |
| 11:28.36 | Meiz_n810 | johnx: Jaunty based Mer: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer# |
| 11:28.39 | Meiz_n810 | =P |
| 11:29.10 | Meiz_n810 | I have tried to get wlan working with deblet packages... no luck |
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| 11:30.07 | woglinde | so what is mer now? |
| 11:30.14 | woglinde | a subset of maemo? |
| 11:30.16 | Stskeeps | woglinde: heck if i know :P |
| 11:30.22 | johnx | Meiz_n810, any luck doing it manually or the debian way? |
| 11:30.46 | Stskeeps | woglinde: my goal for mer is the "maemo reconstructed" proposal really, with fremantle components |
| 11:31.04 | johnx | woglinde, i used to know last thursday ;p |
| 11:31.05 | woglinde | stskeep ah okay |
| 11:31.07 | Stskeeps | just maintaining some half-broken image patching isn't my cup of tea, so :P |
| 11:31.18 | jagernot | morning |
| 11:31.23 | Meiz_n810 | johnx: i tried everything i can, but wlan-cal always fails... |
| 11:31.27 | Meiz_n810 | hi |
| 11:31.55 | johnx | Meiz, you don't need it, strictly speaking |
| 11:31.57 | lardman | Meiz_n810: that kb, last screenshot, must be painful to use! |
| 11:32.17 | Meiz_n810 | as you can see there are many choises |
| 11:32.27 | Meiz_n810 | thats the most painful |
| 11:32.32 | Meiz_n810 | in the pic |
| 11:32.50 | lardman | can we implement the Nokia methods? Or is that not wanteD? |
| 11:32.54 | lardman | s/D/d |
| 11:33.01 | Stskeeps | lardman: we can get h-i-m example atlast |
| 11:33.10 | lardman | good |
| 11:33.15 | Stskeeps | but there's going to be a long discussion on this probably |
| 11:33.30 | Stskeeps | and it's in degrees of importance |
| 11:34.07 | lardman | of course, if someone's interested in it they can always start the implementation, etc |
| 11:34.18 | Stskeeps | yeah.. |
| 11:34.38 | Stskeeps | i'm really wondering what kind of agreement can be reached with nokia |
| 11:35.51 | Stskeeps | for instance, mer arch would have great use of a "sponsor some hours to do <use this toolchain to build this binary blob>" |
| 11:35.54 | lardman | Stskeeps: how so? |
| 11:36.09 | lardman | us asking them you mean? |
| 11:36.11 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:36.23 | lardman | they will do it I'm quite sure, as long as we have a reason for wanting it |
| 11:36.26 | Stskeeps | sec, going to go grab a cup of coffee |
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| 11:40.35 | Stskeeps | basically, we should strive towards being able to provide flashable images. |
| 11:40.42 | lardman | yes |
| 11:40.43 | Stskeeps | and redistribute them |
| 11:40.45 | lardman | yes |
| 11:41.00 | Stskeeps | right now we can't take initfs and redistribute it, for instance. |
| 11:41.05 | Stskeeps | or alter it that well |
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| 11:41.21 | lardman | right, can we list the items that are problematic on the wiki then |
| 11:41.34 | lardman | then Quim can see them more easily and address them |
| 11:41.45 | Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/zzJAoB73.html |
| 11:41.52 | Stskeeps | is my sketch so far of initial task list for Mer arch |
| 11:42.01 | lardman | yesterdat I heard something about images too (like pngs)? |
| 11:42.23 | Stskeeps | yeah.. if we don't find a creative bunch in the community |
| 11:42.27 | Stskeeps | it should be possible though |
| 11:42.52 | Stskeeps | the things i've listed are needed for HW interfacing |
| 11:42.53 | lardman | well that's another thing to list on the wiki then, see what the reaction is; if possible we can use them as a stop gap until someone creative decides they want something else, etc |
| 11:43.07 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:43.09 | lardman | Stskeeps: have you started a Garage project then? |
| 11:43.13 | Stskeeps | not yet |
| 11:43.20 | Stskeeps | it's depending on the other sketch i have |
| 11:43.25 | Stskeeps | it'll be multiple garage projects |
| 11:43.33 | Stskeeps | one for Mer Arch, one for Mer UI, etc |
| 11:43.40 | lardman | ah yes, I saw that |
| 11:43.52 | lardman | I don't know either way |
| 11:43.55 | Stskeeps | and that depends on git.maemo going into action with some things, so :P |
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| 11:44.12 | lardman | what's the problem with git then? Not up yet? |
| 11:44.21 | Stskeeps | not up yet and i need some confirmations of features |
| 11:44.30 | lardman | have you pinged X-Fade? |
| 11:44.32 | Stskeeps | it's coming, however |
| 11:44.46 | X-Fade | lardman: Ferenc is working on it.. |
| 11:44.48 | X-Fade | Not me ;) |
| 11:44.49 | Stskeeps | well, i put it on the talk page for now :) |
| 11:45.10 | lardman | X-Fade: ok, sorry for waking you up unnecessarily ;) |
| 11:45.19 | lardman | Stskeeps: ok |
| 11:45.43 | Stskeeps | lardman: for "arch" we need some kind of agreement to be able to redistribute, and a future proof way of getting updated binaries matching the toolchains |
| 11:46.05 | lardman | Stskeeps: say what needs to be redistributed first though |
| 11:46.08 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 11:46.37 | lardman | Stskeeps: future-proof is hard I imagine, but Quim should be able to sort out a way of getting the binaries created for us, a contact or the like |
| 11:47.21 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:47.21 | lardman | so we have no images to download atm? |
| 11:47.36 | lardman | was after an image without needing to setup the builder stuff |
| 11:47.37 | Stskeeps | atm i don't even have any non-OSS stuff in mer :P |
| 11:47.47 | Stskeeps | so i can make you a tar.gz if you'd like |
| 11:47.51 | lardman | ah, so just a rootfs then? |
| 11:47.54 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:47.59 | suihkulokki | with EABI, I think current binaries will work for a very long time |
| 11:48.06 | lardman | does the builder create a jffs2 image? |
| 11:48.06 | suihkulokki | tc-wise, atleast |
| 11:48.16 | lardman | suihkulokki: yep |
| 11:48.19 | Stskeeps | lardman: for now, just debootstraps+stuff onto a partition |
| 11:48.22 | suihkulokki | the kernel interfaces can and will change, any binary depending on those will break |
| 11:48.51 | lardman | I think Nokia were going to open source their image builder weren't they, that will be useful |
| 11:49.20 | Stskeeps | i think it's really among the same lines as our current builder really |
| 11:49.32 | Stskeeps | same process |
| 11:49.36 | lardman | I was thinking of the FIASCO creation |
| 11:49.38 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:49.39 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 11:49.40 | Stskeeps | that would be useful |
| 11:49.44 | lardman | or at least a flashable rootfs, etc |
| 11:50.03 | Stskeeps | for 2.6.28 kernel it would probably be useful to use ubifs :P |
| 11:50.36 | lardman | yeah, well it looks like Fremantle will use that anyway, so we may as well follow suite |
| 11:50.43 | lardman | s/suite/suit |
| 11:52.37 | Stskeeps | partitioning layout in flash could be useful to have info on too |
| 11:53.22 | lardman | again, we'll need to stick it on a page with some justification and see what comes |
| 11:53.37 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 11:53.45 | Stskeeps | and that's what mer arch would start with as a group |
| 11:54.31 | Stskeeps | wonders if 770 bme and n8x0 one is similar .. :P |
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| 11:55.03 | lardman | hmm, no idea |
| 11:55.28 | lardman | which wiki page would be the best to list these questions then? The Mer one? |
| 11:56.18 | Stskeeps | i think we'll sit and and discuss at the bootstrap meeting - my idea is that we use maemo.org wiki, and then each team deals with their issues through that :P |
| 11:56.33 | Stskeeps | and a list of questions to be "sent" to nokia with reasoning |
| 11:56.33 | lardman | yes |
| 11:56.52 | lardman | they don't really need to be sent |
| 11:57.08 | lardman | I imagine they are looking to see how we get along |
| 11:57.12 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 11:57.18 | Stskeeps | and organization right now is bloody important :P |
| 11:57.18 | lardman | when's the meeting then? |
| 11:57.23 | lardman | yes indeed |
| 11:57.33 | Stskeeps | i -think- GA was aiming for sunday |
| 11:57.41 | Stskeeps | just a minor bootstrapping meeting |
| 11:57.46 | lardman | ok, I should be able to make that |
| 11:58.04 | Stskeeps | my gf is home next sunday and i think she'd strangle me if i spent too much time on the computer.. |
| 11:58.10 | lardman | lol |
| 11:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | yawns loudly. |
| 11:58.27 | johnx | i'll be there by hook or by crook |
| 11:58.27 | Stskeeps | morning GA |
| 11:58.35 | GeneralAntilles | Multi-car accident outside is a fun alarm clock. |
| 11:58.36 | lardman | I'd still like to see the discussion and progress reports moved to the mailing list, lots of people don't use irc and itt |
| 11:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | Do we want to set a time so I can schedule a maemo.org event? |
| 11:59.13 | Stskeeps | evening european time? |
| 11:59.15 | lardman | I was only vaguely aware of the project until the pre-sdk stuff came up and thought of getting it going on the omap2 |
| 11:59.32 | Stskeeps | lardman: well it did go a lot faster than expected suddenly :P |
| 12:00.08 | lardman | Stskeeps: my problem was more the confusion over the goal, I completely ignored the deblet stuff as I didn't want to replace Maemo with Debian |
| 12:00.14 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | 20:00 - 22:00 UTC? |
| 12:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | Earlier? |
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| 12:00.43 | lardman | Stskeeps: but once I knew about the sdk release I started looking at Mer as a base, and found that your goals were reasonably aligned anyway |
| 12:00.51 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: fine for me |
| 12:01.05 | Stskeeps | prods johnx and wonders if he's awake at that point |
| 12:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, originally the whole "Maemo Reconstructed" deal as a PoC to push Nokia towards better upstream alignment |
| 12:01.41 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: the separation between Maemo Reconstructed/Mer/deblet is confusing |
| 12:01.47 | Stskeeps | yeah :P |
| 12:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | Now, seemingly, additional hardware platform support for Fremantle and/or Diablo-on-steroids |
| 12:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, OK, toss out Deblet. |
| 12:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Reconstructed -> Mer |
| 12:02.22 | johnx | stskeeps, should be fine. my schedule is adjusted to normal local time right now ;) |
| 12:02.23 | GeneralAntilles | Is how the evolution went |
| 12:02.25 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: Well I know now, but imagine the case for those who don't have the time to investigate, etc., mailing list would be good |
| 12:02.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: hehe |
| 12:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | OK, 20:00-22:00 UTC it is. |
| 12:02.55 | Stskeeps | *puts in calendar* |
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| 12:03.19 | RST38h | Mr. Starks, I am sure you strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and spreading that misconception is harmful. ... This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping these children at all. |
| 12:03.40 | RST38h | Priceless. |
| 12:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, "Mer bootstrapping meeting" ? :P |
| 12:04.11 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, Mer Project bootstrapping meeting :P |
| 12:04.17 | Stskeeps | or something |
| 12:04.18 | aquatix | RST38h: whoa :) |
| 12:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, which page do you want me to link to for "Mer" |
| 12:05.29 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm. that's a good question. |
| 12:06.06 | Stskeeps | i think Maemo reconstructed and the blueprint for now, those cover the most |
| 12:06.13 | Stskeeps | but the meeting is really to figure out what our goals are |
| 12:06.17 | lardman | has anyone heard from etrunko, he was interested in getting Fremantle up on the N8x0 |
| 12:06.40 | johnx | did they include a much newer libhildon1 than the one in trunk or am i just behind the times? |
| 12:06.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: yup |
| 12:06.50 | Stskeeps | i was caught by surprise too |
| 12:06.58 | Stskeeps | well, not so much, i knew hildon was old in trunk |
| 12:07.07 | Stskeeps | it didn't have pannable area |
| 12:07.14 | johnx | heh, development in the open ;p |
| 12:07.25 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:09.08 | Stskeeps | but. Mer is not an effort to upgrade Diablo (the OS) to Fremantle, or take the fremantle OS and backporting it so it works for n8x0. it's a shift in perspective where we put the tablet OS in the hands of the community, and include nokia&contractors provided OSS components as part of this OS |
| 12:09.12 | RST38h | moo johnx, aquatix |
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| 12:09.35 | RST38h | Sts: Could you use a term more specific than "shift in perspective" |
| 12:09.44 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the whole maemo reconstructed thing |
| 12:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | paradigm shift! :P |
| 12:09.57 | johnx | m00f |
| 12:09.59 | RST38h | I mean, the dreaded "paradigm" word has not been used, but we are getting close =) |
| 12:10.02 | RST38h | Oh shit |
| 12:10.09 | RST38h | Not it has been used. |
| 12:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | had to do it. |
| 12:10.14 | RST38h | s/Not/Now/ |
| 12:10.17 | lardman | the important question is app compat? |
| 12:10.22 | Stskeeps | lardman: so far good |
| 12:10.31 | Stskeeps | having maemo GTK and libhildon helps a lot |
| 12:10.46 | johnx | lardman, so far better :D |
| 12:10.58 | RST38h | Sts: I would put it in plain, human readable English |
| 12:11.22 | GeneralAntilles | "A short, informal discussion meeting will be held in #maemo-meeting on Freenode to discuss the organization and goals of the Mer Project (the continuation of Maemo Reconstructed)." |
| 12:11.27 | johnx | nokia's hildon ui on ubuntu, trimmed for mobile devices |
| 12:11.27 | RST38h | Sts: What you want to achieve. Without using words like perspective, paradigm, solution, choice, etc |
| 12:11.31 | GeneralAntilles | Little thin on content, anything to add? |
| 12:11.34 | lardman | I mean if Mer breaks compatibility with one or other release of the Maemo core, then it's just another distro for the tablets |
| 12:12.01 | Stskeeps | lardman: some things are different deep down, but API wise, we want to stay close to the maemo platform |
| 12:12.11 | lardman | yes, that's the main point |
| 12:12.34 | Stskeeps | and yes, it's "another distro", but so would a community edition of diablo be :P |
| 12:12.43 | johnx | lardman, the current diablo-level of mer is almost completely compatible with diablo at a source level |
| 12:12.48 | lardman | otherwise I may as well flash a GPE image, do some hacking to get the desktop applets working with the battery stuff (easy enough) and dyntick, and I have somethjing usable, and pretty soon too |
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| 12:13.38 | RST38h | Sts: "Another tablet fdistro that is based on the official Nokia Maemo but seeks to improve parts that Nokia isn't willing to improve" |
| 12:13.49 | johnx | lardman, would you really prefer gpe over hildon? |
| 12:13.56 | RST38h | Sts: And next you put a list of parts that you seek improving |
| 12:14.02 | lardman | really if the packages released for Fremantle could be installed (e.g. the comms stuff, the browser backend, etc.) then people will benefit on the N8x0/770 from the Fremantle changes |
| 12:14.26 | Stskeeps | lardman: so far it's a matter of compiling it |
| 12:14.31 | lardman | johnx: no, but if there's no compat, so I can't install Maemo packages, then I'm in the same boat pretty much |
| 12:14.42 | johnx | RST38h, it's closer to what i said above |
| 12:14.54 | RST38h | johnx: yep |
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| 12:15.32 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer2.txt (slightly edited from maemo reconstructed) |
| 12:15.39 | Jaffa | "Nokia isn't willing to improve" is emotive. |
| 12:15.48 | RST38h | Ah, it is priceless indeed: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html |
| 12:15.55 | Jaffa | "Nokia isn't currently focused on improving" would be better and more constructive. |
| 12:15.58 | RST38h | Jaffa: What is wrong with emotive language again? |
| 12:16.16 | johnx | lardman, the big thing for me is remaining compatible with 3rd party apps and we have source for those |
| 12:16.17 | Stskeeps | and who knows, maybe Mer would be maemo 6. :P |
| 12:16.26 | RST38h | Maemo 666! |
| 12:16.41 | Stskeeps | (that url was for RST38h) |
| 12:17.02 | lardman | I guess my stance this this: I'd like to bring what features of Fremantle we can to the omap1/2 devices, which is perhaps the ui, but mainly the middleware (comms stuff, location stuff, etc.); the low level implementation details are perhaps not so important, though I would like to see us adopting a similar track to the maemo devs (though not if there's something better out there) |
| 12:17.08 | Jaffa | RST38h: because a) Nokia are increasing efforts; b) Mer is supposed to be a blueprint of increased upstream alignment for Maemo; which means you want Nokia buy-in. |
| 12:17.11 | RST38h | Sts: Checking |
| 12:17.24 | RST38h | Jaffa: Ok, bought it |
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| 12:18.12 | Stskeeps | lardman: mer would be "similar" in style to maemo mostly, targetting power saving measures, low footprint, etc |
| 12:18.31 | Stskeeps | and mer and nokia components would complement eachother |
| 12:18.35 | RST38h | Sts: Is making Maemo a general platform the main goaL? |
| 12:19.19 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it will help having this, to encourage use of platform on other devices - meaning more hands to work on it, and that we don't have to revamp the platform each time we get a new fancy device |
| 12:19.25 | Stskeeps | and having to leave some devices behind |
| 12:19.34 | RST38h | StsL If it is not the main goal, move it down |
| 12:19.36 | johnx | RST38h, yes, and improving it and making it more maintainable in the process |
| 12:20.02 | RST38h | johnx: Is improving it more important than making it available on non-nokia devices? |
| 12:20.16 | RST38h | johnx: If so, move improvement up, push compatibility down |
| 12:20.39 | RST38h | johnx: Also, it generally makes sense to move smaller, easier attainable goals up |
| 12:21.16 | johnx | RST38h, do you see a technical problem i don't that makes those things incompatible? |
| 12:22.02 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the goals intermix, and the text is primarily just the ideal properties of the Mer platform |
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| 12:22.58 | lardman | Stskeeps: sounds reasonable to me, I'm still in ;) |
| 12:23.18 | Stskeeps | the short term goals and long term goals will be discussed on the bootstrap meeting i guess |
| 12:23.33 | Stskeeps | right now the focus is, generality, and ensuring a future for n8x0y tablets |
| 12:23.56 | Stskeeps | and working out a relationship to nokia |
| 12:24.04 | johnx | needs to get faster at irc on his n800 |
| 12:24.18 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm dead slow too :P |
| 12:24.22 | aquatix | johnx: get a keyboard? ;) |
| 12:25.03 | RST38h | johnx: Yes, there is a slight problem: the English text flow is on-dimensional so you have to put them in some order no matter what :) |
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| 12:25.09 | johnx | i think i can get a little faster with the thumboard if i train its dictionaries |
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| 12:25.36 | RST38h | Sts: Although goals intermix, you are still forced to prioritize when putting them down on paper |
| 12:25.51 | Stskeeps | long term goals could be: general mobile device platform, foundation for nokia-maemo 6.0, not getting screwed over by nokia/whatever company leaving old devices behind and focus on new ones :P |
| 12:25.53 | johnx | RST38h, maybe we should improve the english language as a part of the project then |
| 12:26.04 | Stskeeps | RST38h: you just volunteered for public relations |
| 12:26.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:26.12 | RST38h | johnx: See my comment above about smaller, attainable goals :) |
| 12:26.22 | RST38h | Sts: What is the salary? =) |
| 12:26.30 | Stskeeps | hehe. |
| 12:26.43 | RST38h | Sts: Ok, I will rewrite this blurb but not right now: I am at a meeting |
| 12:26.47 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:26.58 | johnx | RST38h, and sometimes you have to do the big ones first |
| 12:27.45 | RST38h | johnx: usually leads to a failure |
| 12:28.01 | RST38h | sometimes you may get lucky though |
| 12:28.02 | lardman | Stskeeps: I'm also happy to do public relations, and obviously negotiations with Nokia (doing something in my Council role for once ;)) |
| 12:28.13 | johnx | eep. running out of battery ;/ |
| 12:28.30 | Stskeeps | eep |
| 12:28.54 | johnx | i'll try and be back tomorrow sometime |
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| 12:29.03 | Stskeeps | alright, good to see you're back in shape :) |
| 12:29.05 | johnx | 'night all |
| 12:29.10 | woglinde | bye johnx |
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| 12:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, is that blurb for the meeting good for you? |
| 12:32.32 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes |
| 12:40.01 | RST38h | "Yahoo! eyes! sarin!" (C)TheRegister |
| 12:40.18 | RST38h | Radical methods of personnel management |
| 12:40.29 | woglinde | rst where? |
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| 12:44.41 | RST38h | woglinde: www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/10/yahoo_sarin/ |
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| 12:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | Freaky damn tiger beetle |
| 12:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | Evil little bastards'll watch you. |
| 12:52.06 | Stskeeps | lardman: got a better name than working group? :P |
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| 12:52.35 | Stskeeps | commitee? |
| 12:52.49 | RST38h | General: looks cute |
| 12:53.01 | lardman | steering committee :) |
| 12:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, unlike most insects, these guys will look you right in the eye. |
| 12:53.22 | lardman | committee has bad conotations though |
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| 12:53.28 | Stskeeps | what, comrade? |
| 12:53.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 12:53.54 | Stskeeps | Mer steering (steering through the ocean.. :P) |
| 12:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | Mer taskmasters |
| 12:54.16 | lardman | we could call it the "bridge" |
| 12:54.18 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 12:54.36 | RST38h | The Night Watch |
| 12:54.40 | l7 | ~remove-xterm-scrollbar |
| 12:54.41 | infobot | i guess remove-xterm-scrollbar is "gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0" |
| 12:54.43 | RST38h | [and give 'em baseball bats] |
| 12:55.07 | l7 | ~remove-osso-scrollbar |
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| 12:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | misses _Monkey |
| 12:57.25 | torb | Hello! Does anyone know if it is possible to use cairo with python in maemo? widget.window.cairo_create() fails for me. |
| 12:57.44 | torb | (in gtk, that is) |
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| 13:04.20 | RST38h | Sts: Still here? |
| 13:04.33 | Stskeeps | yeah, writing up on the new blueprint |
| 13:04.34 | RST38h | Sts: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/mer.txt |
| 13:04.49 | RST38h | Sts: Use it as you see fit. Let me know when you get it so that I can delete it |
| 13:06.19 | Stskeeps | can i revise the developing parts of maemo to something that involves developing parts that community has interest in giving attention to? :P |
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| 13:08.00 | Stskeeps | *Developing parts of Maemo that has the interest of the community to improve upon. or soemthing |
| 13:08.40 | Stskeeps | because in-house developers may want to improve but it's contradictatory to the business model |
| 13:12.06 | Stskeeps | (and i've used it and gotten it now) |
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| 13:27.33 | Stskeeps | ok, people interested in Mer architecture (that is: kernel, initfs, hw interfacing, drivers, builders), please see https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New#Mer_Architecture and give me some quick feedback |
| 13:28.05 | Stskeeps | if that is anything they'd like to contribute to, and if the initial activities seem reasonable and merge into current community efforts |
| 13:28.18 | Stskeeps | in that area |
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| 13:35.47 | Stskeeps | lardman: saw http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New#Mer_Architecture |
| 13:35.48 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 13:36.07 | lardman | I think so, looking again |
| 13:36.15 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:36.24 | Stskeeps | this is the more specific one, not a direct sketch |
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| 13:36.40 | lardman | looks good |
| 13:37.04 | lardman | we should obtain a feed somewhere too |
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| 13:37.24 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 13:37.53 | lardman | if things are to be built, we should place them in a feed, not everyone should have to build their entire system from source |
| 13:38.02 | Stskeeps | yeah, ofcourse |
| 13:38.47 | lardman | that's quite important to get people involved I'd thing |
| 13:38.49 | lardman | think |
| 13:39.07 | Stskeeps | it'd be a mix of firmware images, and repository, probably |
| 13:39.14 | lardman | yep |
| 13:39.22 | lardman | but certainly somewhere to host it all |
| 13:39.25 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 13:40.20 | lardman | hmm, anyone have the link for the code sourcery gcc 4.x.x toolchain? |
| 13:40.25 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 13:40.49 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.52 | Stskeeps | is one i use |
| 13:41.02 | lardman | thanks |
| 13:41.10 | lardman | that uses the same libc as Diablo? |
| 13:41.36 | lardman | wants to compile giac, and needs something other than 3.4.4 |
| 13:41.57 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:42.11 | Stskeeps | -no- clue about libc :P |
| 13:42.21 | lardman | what do you compile with it then? |
| 13:42.53 | Stskeeps | native builders, atm :P |
| 13:43.09 | Stskeeps | i haven't gotten sb2 beaten into shape yet |
| 13:43.22 | lardman | targetting the tablets though? |
| 13:43.38 | Stskeeps | targetting ubuntu jaunty armv5el for now |
| 13:44.06 | Stskeeps | http://gizmodo.com/5106085/novatels-portable-mifi-gives-you-wi+fi-doh-everywhere |
| 13:44.09 | Stskeeps | i -so- want.. |
| 13:44.50 | lardman | cool, phone would be ok for me though |
| 13:44.59 | Stskeeps | and then wire it into my jacket |
| 13:45.08 | lardman | anyone know what GUPnP will be used for in Fremantle? |
| 13:45.16 | Stskeeps | replacing clinkc |
| 13:45.17 | lardman | Stskeeps: someone has to pay the bills though! |
| 13:45.25 | lardman | yeah, but doing what? |
| 13:45.29 | Stskeeps | upnp |
| 13:45.32 | Stskeeps | media player stuff usually |
| 13:45.35 | lardman | it's in connectivity & multimedia sections |
| 13:45.36 | Stskeeps | or storage |
| 13:45.49 | lardman | ah ok, the server stuff |
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| 13:52.05 | lardman | crap docs on the code sourcery site, they don't give the versions for older toolchains |
| 13:52.11 | lardman | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/portal/subscription3053 |
| 13:54.32 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: when i had tablet-hw-n8x0-support and tablet-wireless installed, it told me that cx3110x is missing in /proc/modules could that cause wlan-cal to fail? (tablet-wireless should insert cx3110x from /lib/.... but anyway?? |
| 13:54.58 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, it shouldn't insert it automatically i think, hmm. did you run depmod -a? |
| 13:55.18 | Meiz_n810 | no i didn't |
| 13:55.18 | Stskeeps | modprobe cx3110x and then try wlan-cal? |
| 13:57.33 | Meiz_n810 | tablet-wireless runs modprobe cx3110x antomatically if linuxrc is used i think. Last time i tried it failed to do that, so i changed modprobe to insmod /.../cx3110x, after that it was able to load cx3110x and did not crash anymore, but wlan-cal still failed |
| 13:57.41 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:57.48 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure at this moment, sorry |
| 13:58.02 | Stskeeps | thursday i should be more free. :P |
| 13:58.09 | Meiz_n810 | k :P |
| 13:58.12 | Stskeeps | wlan wasn't trivial under debian so |
| 13:58.29 | Meiz_n810 | is now installing build-things to his Mer. |
| 13:59.22 | Meiz_n810 | now when i have that tar.gz backup and i'm sure that hildon starts i will soon try to make wlan work again |
| 13:59.26 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:59.47 | Meiz_n810 | what changes did you made to network-manager? |
| 13:59.53 | Meiz_n810 | (the deblet one) |
| 14:00.29 | Stskeeps | non trivial ones, the new n-m jaunty uses is way differentt |
| 14:00.48 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
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| 14:15.57 | Stskeeps | oh pfft @ bootable android and interview.. they should interview the original movers :P |
| 14:19.40 | Meiz_n810 | bootable android for n810? |
| 14:19.47 | Meiz_n810 | gimme link :P |
| 14:19.51 | Stskeeps | iTT :P |
| 14:19.56 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 14:19.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, nthcode instead of the cool original people :P |
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| 14:24.12 | lardman | bbiab |
| 14:27.48 | Meiz_n810 | I am pretty sure Peter will tell him that Solca has made better port with WiFi.. They are kind of helping each other right now.. |
| 14:28.22 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:31.39 | Stskeeps | more Team bootstrapping suggestions..: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New#Mer_Foundation |
| 14:31.52 | andrewfblack | I really don't get why there are like 4 groups working on android wouldn't it be better for them to work together |
| 14:32.05 | Stskeeps | think there's 2 atm, on tablets |
| 14:32.12 | Meiz_n810 | 4teams? |
| 14:32.22 | andrewfblack | I know of atleast 3 I think |
| 14:32.43 | Meiz_n810 | what's the third? |
| 14:32.53 | Meiz_n810 | i know only solca and Nth |
| 14:33.28 | r2d2rogers | Good morning |
| 14:33.29 | Meiz_n810 | Solca and Nth guys are kinda working together right now... |
| 14:33.35 | Stskeeps | morning r2d2rogers |
| 14:33.36 | Stskeeps | what failed? |
| 14:33.36 | andrewfblack | is NITDroid Solca? |
| 14:33.42 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:33.42 | r2d2rogers | trying to figure out |
| 14:34.03 | r2d2rogers | it seems to be int he middle of the locales package install |
| 14:34.05 | andrewfblack | and the old installer thas been out for a while pre source release are they still working on it? |
| 14:34.13 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: fails or reboots? |
| 14:34.22 | r2d2rogers | but t5he bootmenu deb does the same behavior on another |
| 14:34.43 | andrewfblack | the one penguinbait released on itT |
| 14:34.52 | r2d2rogers | fails strangly, terminal goes white and I have to close all terminals to get the terminal to respond |
| 14:34.57 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 14:35.02 | r2d2rogers | But the tablet doesn't seem to be slowed down |
| 14:35.03 | Stskeeps | swapping heavily maybe |
| 14:35.07 | Stskeeps | ssh in instead? |
| 14:35.12 | r2d2rogers | will try today |
| 14:35.19 | r2d2rogers | have both 770s at work |
| 14:35.46 | Meiz_n810 | andrewfblack: So, they are working on the new android 1.0 ??? |
| 14:36.18 | Meiz_n810 | i tought they don't play with android anymore, it was just the old one they made... |
| 14:37.14 | andrewfblack | NOt sure I havn't seen anything from them in a while you might be right. |
| 14:37.24 | Stskeeps | think they gave up mostly really |
| 14:38.08 | andrewfblack | sucks they are the only person with a simple install right now |
| 14:38.28 | lardman | re |
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| 14:39.00 | Stskeeps | wb |
| 14:39.22 | Meiz_n810 | andrewfblack: maybe the new android will be as easy to install as the old, when solca announces his Nitselector |
| 14:40.21 | andrewfblack | maybe |
| 14:40.30 | Meiz_n810 | (New graphical boootmenu) but i have heard that it would be possible to install some stuff with it? flash kernels? |
| 14:40.54 | Meiz_n810 | boot different kernels at least |
| 14:41.29 | andrewfblack | cool |
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| 14:42.33 | RST38h | Sts: Was my text useful? |
| 14:42.42 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, made a comment above |
| 14:42.52 | Stskeeps | about one thing i changed a bit :P |
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| 14:44.24 | RST38h | Sts: I missed your comment (meetings). Could you repeat? |
| 14:44.33 | Stskeeps | "Developing parts of Maemo that has the interest of the community to improve upon. " |
| 14:44.39 | Stskeeps | insead |
| 14:44.40 | Stskeeps | +t |
| 14:45.00 | Stskeeps | cos nokia developers may have an interest to develop, but it may be contrary to their business model |
| 14:45.41 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: want some English improvements on that? |
| 14:45.52 | Jaffa | Given it's a little ungrammatical |
| 14:46.00 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, i'm finishing up the new blueprint and all changes are welcome :P |
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| 14:47.16 | pupnik | the green green meat of homegrown... |
| 14:47.16 | Jaffa | "Allowing the community to focus on development of parts of Maemo" (first draft, still clumsy) |
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| 14:48.40 | Stskeeps | yeah, i'll put the draft out to proof reading :P |
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| 14:52.11 | RST38h | Sts: I would not use "contrary to business model" |
| 14:52.25 | Stskeeps | RST38h: oh, that isn't part of the actual written thing :P |
| 14:52.29 | Stskeeps | it's just why i changed it |
| 14:57.36 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps :if i install deblet:s network manager, do i have better change tp get it work? |
| 14:57.52 | Stskeeps | i think it will conflict hugely with jaunty |
| 14:57.52 | Meiz_n810 | s/tp/to/ |
| 14:57.58 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 14:58.15 | Stskeeps | OK, Mer proofreaders: https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New |
| 14:58.27 | Stskeeps | if you want to change anything :P i have to catch my bus so |
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| 15:02.38 | RST38h | Changing |
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| 15:17.54 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: email sent, bbiab |
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| 15:38.19 | qwerty12 | lardman, hai, done any work with qalculate? I've made quite a few changes on this end (none related to hildonising sorry, unless you count fullscreen ability) :) |
| 15:39.55 | lardman | no, nothing at all, please do forward the source |
| 15:40.01 | lardman | did you fix the missing "x"? |
| 15:40.25 | lardman | I always wondered why it was pink, I see it's called the Queer Calculator, might explain why... |
| 15:40.38 | qwerty12 | hehe :P |
| 15:40.51 | qwerty12 | Soon as I've finished, I'll forward on the source |
| 15:41.06 | qwerty12 | But it's not really good custom to hardcode CFLAGS in the Makefile.am etc :P |
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| 15:46.22 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 15:48.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ta for change |
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| 15:50.33 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: NOLO, X-loader was in firmware images too right? |
| 15:50.48 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yes. |
| 15:50.58 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:53.25 | lardman | qwerty12: yeah, not sure how to get it in there otherwise though |
| 15:53.35 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: remember if FIASCO supports only updating certain parts, like, an firmware update that would only contain initfs? |
| 15:54.35 | trenka | Stskeeps: ? |
| 15:54.51 | Stskeeps | trenka: pong? |
| 15:54.54 | qwerty12 | lardman, yeah, cdbs is my pet hate :) but it can be done. I just need to edit the desktop file (made it install to the /hildon dir) :) |
| 15:54.59 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no idea. |
| 15:55.03 | trenka | Stskeeps: I did not get the question |
| 15:55.35 | qwerty12 | trenka, Would a FIASCO image that only contains one part (initfs in this example) be accepted as a valid image? |
| 15:55.38 | trenka | fiasco can contains any part(s), flasher can support update of certain parts |
| 15:55.46 | trenka | yes |
| 15:55.49 | Stskeeps | alright, sounds good |
| 15:56.10 | qwerty12 | trenka, ah, are you the fiasco-flasher guy? |
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| 15:57.01 | trenka | Stskeeps: just for nolo -- it should contain both |
| 15:57.45 | Stskeeps | trenka: alright, thanks - very good information to have :) |
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| 16:05.47 | Stskeeps | solca: ping? |
| 16:08.39 | solca | Stskeeps: pong |
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| 16:13.58 | solca | Stskeeps: I'm experimenting embedding a small payload (nitboot) on linux kernel |
| 16:14.12 | solca | to being able to boot to any partiotion without problems |
| 16:14.24 | solca | without rooting to initfs |
| 16:14.33 | solca | my current target is Mer |
| 16:14.36 | Stskeeps | sounds interesting :) |
| 16:14.41 | solca | calling /sbin/init directly |
| 16:15.02 | solca | if the experiment works |
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| 16:15.14 | solca | it would be trivial to change between kernels |
| 16:15.34 | solca | s/change/boot |
| 16:15.37 | Stskeeps | well a kernel always calls /sbin/init directly. so does bootmenu, linuxrc is just a hack in that area |
| 16:15.42 | Stskeeps | to avoid breaking maemo compatibility |
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| 16:16.02 | solca | yea, linuxrc currently assumes comes from initfs |
| 16:16.07 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:16.09 | solca | and thats good |
| 16:16.21 | solca | I would like a kernel with a payload that boots directly to initfs |
| 16:16.22 | Stskeeps | and maemo assumes it's being run through initfs heavily |
| 16:16.38 | solca | I dont think we can change maemo behavior |
| 16:16.51 | solca | but I think Mer can be architected to be flexible |
| 16:16.54 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 16:17.22 | Stskeeps | right now linuxrc is a hack to make it boot sanely :) it could just as well use otherwise |
| 16:17.26 | trenka | solca: goot thing |
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| 16:18.10 | Stskeeps | solca: i'm really looking forward to seeing what interesting things we can do with kexec :) |
| 16:18.11 | solca | with a payload (nitboot) embedded to it we could boot anything without disrupting watchdogs, etc |
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| 16:18.54 | Stskeeps | it could definately help reboot time.. probably |
| 16:19.31 | solca | Stskeeps: with kexec everything is possible, at least the maemo kernels boots good |
| 16:19.40 | Stskeeps | .. or for the slightly insane, netbsd/freebsd on tablet.. :> |
| 16:19.44 | RST38h | moo. what have I missed? |
| 16:19.50 | Stskeeps | not much |
| 16:19.55 | Stskeeps | nitboot discussion |
| 16:20.29 | Stskeeps | and the possibly of non-bootloader flashing firmware images |
| 16:20.55 | solca | I really need a _real_ small userspace that fits in less than 0.5MB |
| 16:21.19 | Stskeeps | uclibc here we come? :P |
| 16:21.19 | RST38h | hackers |
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| 16:22.39 | solca | Stskeeps: yea, will have to get back to my openwrt experiments to make a real small userspace |
| 16:22.59 | Stskeeps | isn't it possible to do something like zcpio? |
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| 16:23.23 | Stskeeps | (initrd) |
| 16:23.31 | solca | Stskeeps: I belive the kernel initramfs (kernel embedding) use it |
| 16:23.36 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:23.51 | RST38h | Salivate over this: http://gizmodo.com/5106370/hps-new-boston-power-laptop-batteries-last-3x-longer-charge-to-80-in-30-minutes |
| 16:24.04 | solca | and expand it when ready to a ramfs which becomes the rootfs |
| 16:24.26 | b1ackdeath | dose any one use there Tablet as a pentesting device? |
| 16:24.48 | RST38h | (ok, I know that Nokia BP-* batteries have similar characteristics already :)) |
| 16:24.53 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ah, another magic battery we will see in the future ;) |
| 16:25.15 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, it has got HP as the customer, a marketing name, and a release date in january |
| 16:25.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: So this one is most likely real |
| 16:26.10 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ping |
| 16:26.16 | X-Fade | I charge my lipos at 2.4A at 24v, so pushing in a lot of power in 30 minutes isn't that hard.. |
| 16:26.23 | X-Fade | But still.. |
| 16:26.55 | RST38h | Nokia phone batteries will charge to 9-% in 40-50 minutes or so |
| 16:27.03 | X-Fade | There are a lot of nice battery technologies coming out lately. But they all have a weight problem. |
| 16:27.13 | RST38h | And they do last longer than laptop ones, but I guess it is because of the lower capacity and lower power drain |
| 16:27.28 | pupnik | weight or volume X-Fade ? |
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| 16:28.02 | X-Fade | A123 for instance can charge really fast and can take a lot of abuse. But weighs a lot more than lipo. |
| 16:28.06 | RST38h | s/9-/80 |
| 16:28.36 | X-Fade | Technically that is LiFe btw. |
| 16:28.48 | solca | is anyone here good (or moderately good) on graphics art? |
| 16:28.50 | qwerty12 | lardman, ping |
| 16:28.59 | pupnik | can i invest in lithium futures? |
| 16:29.35 | RST38h | X-Fade: they do find use in automobiles though |
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| 16:29.49 | jagernot | solca: graphic art means? gimp/inkscape/icons kind? |
| 16:29.56 | solca | yep |
| 16:29.57 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah and in a drag bike ;) |
| 16:30.33 | RST38h | just seen that =) |
| 16:30.44 | solca | I would like some androids robots painted in nokia blue |
| 16:31.13 | solca | for the nitdroid logo |
| 16:31.37 | lardman | qwerty12: pong |
| 16:31.56 | andrewfblack | solca you just want the robots in blue? |
| 16:32.15 | qwerty12 | lardman, find my modified source here : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/qalculate/ - I've made lots of good packaging changes and added fullscreen by pressing the fullscreen button |
| 16:32.24 | solca | andrewfblack: yea, I try with the gimp to replace color but I really suck at that things |
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| 16:32.36 | lardman | good work! |
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| 16:32.50 | solca | wtf? |
| 16:32.54 | solca | :P |
| 16:32.54 | lardman | and hildonised the rest of it too? ;) |
| 16:33.12 | lardman | solca: not you, qwerty12 |
| 16:33.27 | RST38h | qwerty: thanks! =) |
| 16:33.29 | qwerty12 | lardman, ha, effing source is confusing me :P. I'll take a look now, but that source should produce a good debian package |
| 16:33.37 | qwerty12 | RST38h, it's lardman that found the problem :) |
| 16:33.45 | RST38h | Thanks to both of you! |
| 16:33.48 | lardman | qwerty12: did you work out how to sort the CFLAGS? |
| 16:33.59 | lardman | in a less hacky manner? |
| 16:34.01 | solca | lardman: I was talking about andrewfblack getting in/out of the channel very fast and fourious :P |
| 16:34.14 | lardman | ah, ok :) |
| 16:34.24 | qwerty12 | lardman, yep, it's effing cdbs, can be done by adding a few lines to debian/rules (still not as easy as a dh_make rules file) :/ |
| 16:34.26 | andrewfblack | yeah had a computer issue lol |
| 16:34.34 | qwerty12 | lardman, take a look at debian/rules, you'll see how I did it |
| 16:34.41 | lardman | cool |
| 16:34.43 | solca | andrewfblack: yea, I try with the gimp to replace color but I really suck at that things |
| 16:34.58 | qwerty12 | RST38h, if you want to qalculate gtk, take the deb from my link and dependencies from : http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/binary-armel/ |
| 16:35.02 | qwerty12 | ^use |
| 16:35.58 | RST38h | What are the dependencies btw? |
| 16:36.03 | lardman | just cln |
| 16:36.10 | lardman | and the lib qalculate |
| 16:38.11 | andrewfblack | solca this what you want? http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android.png |
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| 16:38.35 | solca | cool!!! |
| 16:38.36 | andrewfblack | thats the blue from this logo http://www.albatec.es/data/marcas/Nokia-logo.bmp |
| 16:39.17 | solca | excellent! |
| 16:39.27 | solca | do you think a 800x480 version is possible too? |
| 16:41.21 | solca | and if this one can be converted just the center android to blue too? |
| 16:41.23 | solca | http://richd.com/images/2007/android-rendered.jpg |
| 16:41.36 | solca | andrewfblack: yea, I know I'm abusing... |
| 16:41.39 | andrewfblack | yeah |
| 16:41.47 | andrewfblack | its cool give me one sec |
| 16:41.55 | solca | thx! |
| 16:45.57 | RST38h | lardman: that is relatively light =) |
| 16:46.32 | andrewfblack | here is 800x480 background http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480.png |
| 16:46.45 | andrewfblack | other one will take a little while longer |
| 16:48.02 | solca | andrewfblack: thx, the other one is more difficult because of the lighting right? |
| 16:48.10 | andrewfblack | yeah |
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| 16:51.59 | lardman | qwerty12: x (multiply) is still knackered |
| 16:52.28 | qwerty12 | lardman, that's your area, I didn't actually know that there was a problem there :) |
| 16:52.51 | lardman | looks like some unicode char |
| 16:52.55 | lardman | I'll alter it |
| 16:52.59 | qwerty12 | Though the decimal point could do with fixing... |
| 16:53.06 | lardman | I've not used that one yet |
| 16:53.22 | qwerty12 | You can see it :). It's a [] rather than being a . |
| 16:53.46 | lardman | ah, that's how the x sign appears in the edit window |
| 16:54.01 | lardman | at least the decimal point appears correctly in that window |
| 16:54.05 | Meiz_n810 | solca: how it the nitchooser project going? :) |
| 16:54.39 | solca | Meiz_n810: initial tests, I'm trying to embedd a small userspace payload in the kernel |
| 16:54.48 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 16:54.52 | Meiz_n810 | sounds good |
| 16:54.57 | solca | that in turn launch the UI or boot to any partition |
| 16:55.37 | solca | but I need a real small userspace that fits in less than 0.5MB |
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| 17:02.02 | Stskeeps | lo slonopotamus |
| 17:02.45 | slonopotamus | hi, Stskeeps |
| 17:03.22 | Proteous | solca: http://mike.ogaz.org/files/android-rendered-blue.png |
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| 17:03.58 | solca | Proteous: wow!! |
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| 17:05.02 | andrewfblack | solca look at this one http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v2.png |
| 17:05.40 | solca | andrewfblack: thats much better |
| 17:05.51 | solca | just the color inside the O is not the same? |
| 17:06.05 | andrewfblack | that is how is it on android logo |
| 17:06.22 | andrewfblack | well one that one let me fix it |
| 17:07.05 | andrewfblack | never mind thats my fault forgot I changed the background around the letters ll |
| 17:07.34 | andrewfblack | ok new version up |
| 17:09.20 | solca | andrewfblack: thats much better |
| 17:10.42 | andrewfblack | now I just need to get new Android on my tablet lol |
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| 17:11.20 | solca | andrewfblack: can you change this one to blue too: http://bp3.blogger.com/_vOWVJj4LO0w/R7TDtHJNa1I/AAAAAAAAAAQ/31bn4mpRHO0/s200/android_small_image.jpg |
| 17:12.56 | solca | Proteous: that with the lightinig rendering is very very cool! |
| 17:13.21 | Proteous | thanks |
| 17:13.21 | solca | Proteous: I wish you could do some nitdroid letters with lightning... |
| 17:14.48 | solca | andrewfblack: how would it look the 800x480 version but instead of white the android green? |
| 17:15.40 | andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/androidsmall.png here is small one |
| 17:16.03 | solca | thx! |
| 17:16.05 | andrewfblack | green around logo and text? |
| 17:17.51 | andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v3.png |
| 17:18.16 | solca | hmm I dont like it |
| 17:18.49 | andrewfblack | thats what you were asking about though wasn't it? |
| 17:18.54 | solca | yes that was |
| 17:18.58 | andrewfblack | ok cool |
| 17:19.19 | solca | and what about like that but the robot white inside |
| 17:19.28 | solca | just experimenting... |
| 17:20.45 | andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v4.png |
| 17:21.04 | solca | nope |
| 17:21.15 | solca | I had an idea |
| 17:21.22 | solca | as I want it as the start screen |
| 17:21.29 | solca | it must be white background |
| 17:21.47 | solca | so live v3 but with white background |
| 17:21.53 | solca | s/live/like |
| 17:22.19 | solca | but the robot fill in blue |
| 17:22.27 | solca | if is not much asking... |
| 17:23.30 | Stskeeps | ponders how big an artist community exists within maemo, and who could be prodded for a mer logo |
| 17:23.36 | andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v5.png |
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| 17:24.00 | andrewfblack | Tim is good |
| 17:24.50 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 17:25.27 | Meiz_n810 | What about v5 but black background? =P |
| 17:25.45 | Stskeeps | "nitdroid - join the dark side"? :P |
| 17:26.20 | solca | andrewfblack: I like v5 too |
| 17:27.21 | andrewfblack | Meiz_n810 http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v6.png |
| 17:27.39 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 17:28.51 | thopiekar | what about adding a N8x0 into one of the androids hands (logo) |
| 17:28.52 | thopiekar | ^^ |
| 17:29.15 | Jaffa | With an N900 around a (very large) corner? |
| 17:29.27 | solca | I think v2 and v5 are the best |
| 17:29.35 | solca | thopiekar: :P good idea |
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| 17:30.00 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: finished the bootstrap with some errors on packages, |
| 17:30.09 | r2d2rogers | can it boot like deblet? |
| 17:30.14 | thopiekar | this would make the logo very specific^^ |
| 17:30.51 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: can i see which errors on packages? |
| 17:30.55 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 17:32.48 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: digging through scroll, screen rocks... |
| 17:33.00 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:33.44 | Stskeeps | and when you say bootstrap, meaning imager finished? |
| 17:34.51 | solca | andrewfblack: one last experiment: v5 with just the NIT letters in blue ? |
| 17:36.51 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you might want to do yourself a favour and cp in fb0,fb1,fb2 to /dev as well |
| 17:37.17 | Meiz_n810 | solca: do you know how to change screen orientation in android? |
| 17:37.35 | solca | Meiz_n810: nope never tried |
| 17:37.41 | Meiz_n810 | i know only how to do it while browsing web |
| 17:37.41 | solca | Meiz_n810: but the kernel is capable |
| 17:37.43 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 17:38.17 | solca | Meiz_n810: I read somewhere there was a shell command to do it |
| 17:38.24 | solca | Meiz_n810: let me find it |
| 17:38.24 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 17:38.36 | Meiz_n810 | no, you don't have to |
| 17:38.38 | Meiz_n810 | :p |
| 17:40.43 | andrewfblack | this what you want http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v7.png |
| 17:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, pong. |
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| 17:42.04 | solca | Meiz_n810: cant find it but is sued the 'service' command |
| 17:42.12 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 17:42.27 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I'm not sure if it finished, it was still running package installation. |
| 17:42.28 | Meiz_n810 | andrewfblack: that's nice |
| 17:42.41 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: event doesn't show up on maemo.org (yet), but under events it does, with broken link. I was thinking about putting out a -developers post and a iTT post about the meeting, where i link to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New (needs some copy-editing i think) |
| 17:42.46 | solca | andrewfblack: yea but just the NIT letters, the droid always in green |
| 17:42.48 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: copy those fromwhere? |
| 17:42.53 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: /dev |
| 17:43.44 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: package errors http://pastebin.ca/1281801 |
| 17:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'm thinking it's related to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3920 |
| 17:43.47 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and blueprint_new being a proposal for discussion |
| 17:43.54 | andrewfblack | solca inside robot white? |
| 17:44.15 | Stskeeps | (for the meeting) |
| 17:44.26 | solca | in the nitdroid text the nit part in blue and the droid part in green |
| 17:44.42 | andrewfblack | ahh got it |
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| 17:45.44 | andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v9.png |
| 17:45.48 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: eh.. it looks like it's not faking invoke-rc.d and start-stop-daemon. can i see your platform script and your target? |
| 17:45.48 | andrewfblack | look at this one to http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v8.png |
| 17:46.12 | andrewfblack | v8 is more of a joke but funny |
| 17:46.27 | r2d2rogers | I copied the platform script from the 800 |
| 17:46.37 | r2d2rogers | the target coming up |
| 17:46.59 | solca | andrewfblack: thats funny |
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| 17:47.21 | andrewfblack | bit a bad looking tablet for about 1 min of work |
| 17:47.22 | solca | andrewfblack: but I dont thin I can put an image with a brand name on it |
| 17:48.11 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: target http://pastebin.ca/1281807 |
| 17:48.43 | Stskeeps | hmm. looks correct. and you run it with sh imager targets/mer-770-fs-only /target? |
| 17:48.58 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: copied the only existing /dev/fb0 to /mnt/deblet/dev (reusing the deblet mount point for the mer image |
| 17:49.19 | andrewfblack | going to have to save my little tablet image i like it |
| 17:49.22 | Stskeeps | yeah, i do the same (reusing mount point) |
| 17:49.34 | andrewfblack | so which one you going with? |
| 17:49.43 | solca | andrewfblack: I like it too, it could be useful |
| 17:50.16 | solca | andrewfblack: do you have the one with the nit part in blue and the droid in green? |
| 17:50.45 | andrewfblack | yeah its http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v9.png |
| 17:50.49 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yes: sh imager targets/mer-770-fs-only /mnt/deblet/ |
| 17:51.15 | andrewfblack | maybe I'll try and put a little maemo desktop screen shot on the tablet |
| 17:51.26 | solca | andrewfblack: it prints |
| 17:51.29 | solca | i like it |
| 17:51.38 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: can I get into a chroot like with the deblet to see what apt can do to reconfig? |
| 17:52.17 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: well, let's see if it boots. it won't show hildon, but it may boot |
| 17:52.23 | Stskeeps | it needs similar entry as deblet |
| 17:52.24 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 17:52.29 | r2d2rogers | have that already |
| 17:52.31 | Stskeeps | hold down home key during boot |
| 17:52.36 | Stskeeps | and select usb |
| 17:52.36 | r2d2rogers | one thing: Starting BT Connection Daemon: Called fake /mnt/deblet//sbin/start-stop-daemon .. |
| 17:52.42 | solca | andrewfblack: I know this is abusing you hehe |
| 17:52.47 | r2d2rogers | it did seem to have the fakle start stop in some |
| 17:52.47 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, fine |
| 17:52.52 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 17:52.54 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and that wonders me too |
| 17:52.55 | r2d2rogers | rebooting |
| 17:53.30 | solca | andrewfblack: but I would like v9 in 3 versions: 1. v9 as is , 2. v9 with green at 50% and 3. with white instead of green |
| 17:53.44 | solca | andrewfblack: that to make a nice animation |
| 17:53.53 | solca | andrewfblack: if possible... |
| 17:54.15 | andrewfblack | yeah |
| 17:54.18 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: got mer rescue menu |
| 17:54.25 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: progress |
| 17:54.25 | r2d2rogers | console on frame buffer? |
| 17:54.29 | andrewfblack | you just want 50% or ever 10% |
| 17:54.33 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: go for usb i guess |
| 17:54.49 | Stskeeps | it includes console on framebuffer |
| 17:54.57 | Stskeeps | then press center a couple of times to continue booting |
| 17:55.21 | solca | andrewfblack: I don't know, maybe you can decide, all I want is in the animation green starts dimished until full green |
| 17:55.22 | r2d2rogers | ethernet or serial USB? |
| 17:55.34 | Stskeeps | ethernet |
| 17:55.36 | solca | 3 steps I think are enough for a animation right? |
| 17:55.37 | Stskeeps | serial usb doesn't work |
| 17:55.41 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 17:55.49 | andrewfblack | not sure i don't do animations |
| 17:56.10 | solca | andrewfblack: the animations is done by android itself |
| 17:56.24 | solca | I just need to feed it with the static images |
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| 17:57.25 | andrewfblack | you want just green words 50% or all green |
| 17:57.29 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: getting the escape character and then connection closed my foreign host |
| 17:57.34 | r2d2rogers | trying continue boot |
| 17:57.36 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, cos udev doesnt work :P |
| 17:57.46 | Stskeeps | we'll get to that |
| 17:58.03 | Stskeeps | so far booting into console is a plus |
| 17:58.12 | r2d2rogers | center button not making it continue |
| 17:58.13 | DeathKing242 | hey Stskeeps, can I PM you for a minute? |
| 17:58.19 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: press several times |
| 17:58.20 | Stskeeps | DeathKing242: mmk |
| 17:59.05 | solca | andrewfblack: v9 but all green to 50% and another v9 with all green completely white (0%) |
| 17:59.11 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no response |
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| 17:59.20 | r2d2rogers | still responsive to USB cable plug/unplug |
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| 17:59.52 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you need to do 5 newlines |
| 18:00.01 | Stskeeps | think it's center |
| 18:00.09 | Stskeeps | on dpad |
| 18:00.53 | andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v9v2.png http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v9v3.png |
| 18:01.06 | r2d2rogers | center didn't work, nor did any of the other hardware buttons |
| 18:01.12 | Stskeeps | blah |
| 18:01.24 | Stskeeps | edit /etc/init.d/usbnet-emergency-telnetd |
| 18:01.27 | r2d2rogers | I don't have a hub to try a hardware keyboard but I can borrow one |
| 18:01.27 | Stskeeps | remove the read foo's |
| 18:01.39 | Stskeeps | (battery popping time) |
| 18:01.43 | r2d2rogers | wilco |
| 18:02.13 | andrewfblack | I need a good idea for a new maemo theme. |
| 18:02.25 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: make one for mer. plankton is fugly :P |
| 18:02.30 | r2d2rogers | the /etc/init.d/ on the card ? |
| 18:02.33 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah |
| 18:02.50 | r2d2rogers | I'll do that and get back to you after lunch |
| 18:02.55 | r2d2rogers | thanks for your help |
| 18:02.58 | Stskeeps | np |
| 18:02.59 | andrewfblack | how do I make my maemo themes for mer do they use the same layout? |
| 18:03.01 | Stskeeps | and thank you too |
| 18:03.05 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: same layout, yeah |
| 18:03.17 | solca | andrewfblack: excellent!! that's it |
| 18:03.18 | Stskeeps | hildon-theme-layout-4 |
| 18:03.29 | solca | andrewfblack: can I put you in the credits? |
| 18:03.45 | andrewfblack | If you want to |
| 18:03.58 | solca | andrewfblack: thx!! this art is awesome!... |
| 18:04.11 | andrewfblack | if you need anything else just let me know |
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| 18:05.51 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: any other themes you've done? |
| 18:06.32 | andrewfblack | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/ all these |
| 18:06.53 | Stskeeps | *looks* |
| 18:06.53 | andrewfblack | mostly me screwing around I need a good idea and stop doing ones based a on movie theme or somethng |
| 18:07.12 | Stskeeps | any screenshots of them? :P |
| 18:07.46 | Stskeeps | your www.themehackers.maemobox.org seems to have been hacked, btw |
| 18:08.06 | andrewfblack | lol yeah I see that was going to give you that link |
| 18:08.36 | andrewfblack | one sec |
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| 18:13.23 | Stskeeps | wb lardman |
| 18:13.40 | lardman | hey Stskeeps |
| 18:13.57 | lcuk | who wants my lurgy? |
| 18:14.02 | Stskeeps | lurgy? |
| 18:14.03 | andrewfblack | here are a few screenshots you can search itT also |
| 18:14.03 | lcuk | its open source |
| 18:14.06 | lardman | illness |
| 18:14.09 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:14.10 | lardman | no thanks lcuk |
| 18:14.19 | Stskeeps | lcuk: would you take my insanity then? :P |
| 18:14.22 | lcuk | are you sure, ive published the tissues |
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| 18:14.41 | lcuk | Stskeeps, ive got enough insanity for everyone |
| 18:14.47 | lcuk | but god do i feel lousy |
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| 18:15.09 | lcuk | si, did you get your compilation issue sorted |
| 18:15.12 | lcuk | or did you giveu p |
| 18:15.40 | lardman | lcuk: got it sorted, found a bug in the bugtracker |
| 18:15.45 | dwr | Stskeeps, DeathKing242, take invite |
| 18:15.52 | lcuk | good |
| 18:15.52 | lardman | well that was one issue, the C++ I didn't |
| 18:15.57 | lardman | qwerty12: you about? |
| 18:16.04 | Stskeeps | dwr: if it's about IRC, not interested |
| 18:16.05 | qwerty12 | lardman, sure |
| 18:16.10 | lardman | s/C++/2nd C++ |
| 18:16.31 | lardman | qwerty12: you were talking a while back about a later CS toolchain, which one was it? |
| 18:16.39 | lardman | GCC 4.x.x? |
| 18:17.06 | dwr | Stskeeps, well, someone posted me logs, but I don't think that it's good to discuss this in public channel |
| 18:17.14 | dwr | but yes, this is related to irc |
| 18:17.26 | qwerty12 | lardman, arm-linux-cs2008q3-41 with 4.3.2. Took me some messing though to get it to work with diablo sdk though |
| 18:17.48 | lardman | hmm, it has a later version of libc I thought? |
| 18:18.06 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps did you see my link. If you give me some ideas on a theme for MER you want I can make it. My problem is I can never come up with good ideas |
| 18:18.29 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: er, don't think you pasted one |
| 18:18.45 | qwerty12 | lardman, it may do but my messing seems to give me the gcc 3 version. dunno if it actually has a newer libc though, I'll check |
| 18:19.00 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps http://themehackers.maemobox.org/wp-content/gallery/ only screenshots I can find right now |
| 18:19.05 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 18:19.35 | qwerty12 | lardman, I would check but it seems I have no libc in this temp target :-) |
| 18:19.59 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: hehe @ xp theme |
| 18:20.17 | lardman | qwerty12: I just wanted something later to try with giac |
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| 18:20.41 | andrewfblack | yeah that was my first one, I noticed the broken Vista theme had like 40k downloads at the time so I thought it would get alot of downloads |
| 18:20.59 | andrewfblack | I thnk broken vista theme is up over 50k now |
| 18:21.35 | lcuk | well since microsoft havent released a working vista thats about on track |
| 18:21.46 | qwerty12 | vista isn't all that bad :P |
| 18:21.54 | qwerty12 | though not as great as xp, I do admit |
| 18:22.08 | lardman | curses MATLAB for placing everything in doubles, flagrant waste of memory |
| 18:22.43 | lcuk | if i buy myself a slate tablet thats currently got xp on it, whats the chances of getting drivers for linux working - note my linux adminning ability level... |
| 18:22.57 | andrewfblack | lcuk Don't worry soon Windows 7 will be out and vista will still be broke |
| 18:23.05 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: curious, when you make themes, how much is it based on the nokia imagery? |
| 18:23.09 | Stskeeps | you/anyone |
| 18:23.40 | lcuk | depends on source i assume |
| 18:24.04 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps I do all my themes starting off with Nuvo theme and modify from there is that what your asking? |
| 18:24.09 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 18:24.20 | Stskeeps | just pondering idly, i never did a theme so |
| 18:24.46 | andrewfblack | You could do it starting off with plankon or really a blank image if you wanted |
| 18:25.49 | andrewfblack | I take the easy way out and use theme maker for my themes. I have unpacked a few changed some files and repacked them but I don't mess with hildon tools don't have time |
| 18:28.20 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps any idea what kind of theme you want? |
| 18:28.53 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: i guess something in the style of theme-echo, but without being too similar |
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| 18:29.59 | andrewfblack | I'll work on something this week for you |
| 18:30.44 | andrewfblack | Can MER insall debs for maemo or does something need to be changed? |
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| 18:31.30 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: it will be source level compatible at least |
| 18:31.40 | andrewfblack | ok |
| 18:31.43 | Stskeeps | it's ubuntu based, so debs work fine |
| 18:31.50 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: it stops and becomes unresponsive after "USB cable disconnected" |
| 18:32.02 | r2d2rogers | no change on plug/unplug USB cable |
| 18:32.14 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: even after removing the read foo stuff? |
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| 18:32.21 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 18:32.28 | Stskeeps | try without usb right now |
| 18:32.30 | r2d2rogers | just the 5 lines right? |
| 18:32.32 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:32.33 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 18:32.38 | r2d2rogers | ahh |
| 18:32.46 | r2d2rogers | just boot nohome hold? |
| 18:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you're spawning an obnoxious number of wiki pages that seem to have an unclear relation to eachother. :P |
| 18:32.52 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm sorry :P |
| 18:32.58 | Stskeeps | i'll delete some of them |
| 18:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | Use one or two and then evolve them |
| 18:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | or make an overview page |
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| 18:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | Task:Mer project |
| 18:34.19 | Stskeeps | i'll clean it up a bit past the meeting, just had to get the info out in some way for now :P |
| 18:34.29 | Stskeeps | then Mer & Maemo reconstructed will be merged together |
| 18:36.07 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: stops after pivot root and starting /sbin/init |
| 18:36.17 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: even with console on? |
| 18:36.40 | Stskeeps | remembered to start the rescue menu? |
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| 18:37.58 | r2d2rogers | doing activate console on frame buffer shows the list |
| 18:38.12 | Stskeeps | list? |
| 18:38.13 | r2d2rogers | last item is hwa742: setting update mode to auto |
| 18:38.41 | r2d2rogers | looks like boot messages |
| 18:39.05 | Stskeeps | ok.. maybe it just boots |
| 18:39.06 | lcuk | ok, google search for "mer project" gives the bbc philharmonic "la mer project (in salford)" the Mars exploration rover a single "bazaar branches of the mer project" (on launchpad) and not much else. |
| 18:39.14 | r2d2rogers | [ 69.660949] hwa742: setting update mode to auto |
| 18:39.18 | lcuk | BIG question, why isnt there anything about it from the maemo wiki? |
| 18:39.30 | Stskeeps | lcuk: cos we're not sure what mer is yet :P |
| 18:39.42 | lcuk | but the wiki should have rank surely |
| 18:39.47 | lcuk | at least some |
| 18:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because Google fails |
| 18:40.11 | GeneralAntilles | Go blog about it and whore the links a bit. |
| 18:40.22 | lcuk | google does not fail for billions of other searchers - you need SEO work done |
| 18:40.37 | lcuk | agreed |
| 18:40.51 | Stskeeps | ponders if he can even delete pages |
| 18:41.11 | Stskeeps | other than just removing content |
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| 18:42.49 | Stskeeps | is it just me or does wiki.maemo.org search fail? |
| 18:43.06 | Stskeeps | .. or atleast not liking 3 letter names |
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| 18:44.14 | GAN800 | Yes, it fails |
| 18:45.19 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no shell, nothing else comes up, so how about that chroot idea? |
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| 18:50.29 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: if you have the time to wait, do sh ./imager targets/mer-770-onlyfs /TARGET 2>&1 > imager.log (i think that's the syntax), after mkfsing the fs and remounting it.. then we get to the core of the errors |
| 18:51.43 | r2d2rogers | I'll need to find a working mkfs.ext3 unless I can just rm -rf the fs |
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| 18:52.03 | Stskeeps | e2fsprogs? |
| 18:52.15 | r2d2rogers | will try it |
| 18:52.16 | r2d2rogers | thanks |
| 18:52.31 | esperegu | Hi. I have a nokia N810 and wondered how I can add a program to the left panel so it can be launched quickly |
| 18:54.32 | r2d2rogers | personal menu? |
| 18:54.45 | r2d2rogers | should be in the extras repository |
| 18:55.06 | r2d2rogers | gives you a customizable menu you can replace one of the icons on the left with |
| 18:55.22 | r2d2rogers | esperegu: ^^^ how's that work for you? |
| 18:55.48 | RST38h | http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00krf86t.jpg |
| 18:58.23 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: libuuid1 replaces that package? |
| 18:58.34 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: eh. |
| 18:59.20 | r2d2rogers | yeah that's about what I thought... |
| 18:59.28 | r2d2rogers | will install and see what I get |
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| 19:00.13 | r2d2rogers | reboots... |
| 19:00.34 | cypou | hi, does anyone know if maemo supports other resolution than 800x480 ? |
| 19:00.50 | cypou | I'm googling, but i can't find anything recent about that |
| 19:02.01 | GAN800 | cypou, yes and no |
| 19:02.16 | cypou | :), you mean ? |
| 19:02.27 | GAN800 | It'll work fine but it's not currently targetted for other resolutions |
| 19:02.40 | RST38h | Some parts of Maemo handle different resolutions just fine |
| 19:02.46 | GAN800 | The theme will be a bit off |
| 19:03.04 | RST38h | But not ALL parts. So you can expect a semidecent home screen view, but a lot of applications (including Nokia ones) will break |
| 19:03.49 | cypou | have you tested screen rotate ? |
| 19:03.54 | GAN800 | http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/02/09/hildon-desktop-scalability/ |
| 19:03.57 | cypou | I've read that it is available now |
| 19:04.14 | GAN800 | Has been since OS2005 |
| 19:04.57 | cypou | and the maemo desktop fits correctly ? |
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| 19:05.11 | RST38h | more or less |
| 19:05.41 | cypou | it should be usable |
| 19:06.23 | *** part/#maemo dwr (n=dwr@unaffiliated/dwr) |
| 19:06.41 | cypou | like that ? http://sse2.net/rotate/shot01.png |
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| 19:09.57 | cypou | GAN800, RST38h: thanks a lot |
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| 19:12.23 | Meizirkki | So, Mer is now connected to mi Wi-Fi ap and all i need is ip |
| 19:13.04 | Meizirkki | nm-applet wont work, what's the command to get it using dhcp? |
| 19:13.25 | Stskeeps | dhclient wlan0 i think |
| 19:13.30 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 19:13.38 | Stskeeps | or udhcpc -i wlan0 |
| 19:13.42 | Stskeeps | not sure which one is actually installed |
| 19:15.19 | Meizirkki | dhclient worked thanks |
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| 19:15.40 | Meizirkki | is downloading pidgin to his Mer so hi can chat from it |
| 19:15.53 | Meizirkki | s/hi/he/ |
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| 19:16.41 | Stskeeps | hehe, the worlds first mer user :P |
| 19:16.53 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 19:16.55 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: wlan-cal always fails at boot but i added it to rc.local |
| 19:16.58 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:17.04 | Meizirkki | it works after boot |
| 19:17.13 | Stskeeps | funky |
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| 19:17.26 | Stskeeps | remember screenshots galore :P |
| 19:17.33 | Meizirkki | ok :P |
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| 19:22.00 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: disable unicode by editing the conf file |
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| 19:22.23 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: so I guess it's a lack of a unicode font containing the x and . chars |
| 19:22.29 | thresh | probably a wrong place to ask, but what are the estimates for new tablet to come out? |
| 19:22.32 | lardman | will do further investigation to see |
| 19:22.37 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, cool, will do that now |
| 19:22.57 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: it should be possible from the menu, but the dialog is too long so you can't get to the bottom |
| 19:23.08 | Stskeeps | thresh: dunno, maybe summer 09 |
| 19:23.36 | thresh | well, considering the fact the new SDK is alpha state now, could be true |
| 19:23.39 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, i wish it wasn't using glade :( |
| 19:24.18 | lardman | yeah, well we could re-write it, not a big thing really |
| 19:24.23 | lardman | not this evening mind you |
| 19:24.47 | qwerty12_N800 | s/we/you :p |
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| 19:24.52 | Stskeeps | thresh: yeah, pre-alpha is to make platform developers happy |
| 19:24.53 | lardman | goes to see if his DVD player will play DivX on usb stick |
| 19:24.58 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: ;p |
| 19:25.38 | Stskeeps | ciroip_: good job on 3d mania theme |
| 19:26.15 | esperegu | r2d2rogers: I wanted to be able to click on it directly. but thx! |
| 19:26.33 | davi | Anyone know the <dookdook> email? |
| 19:26.35 | thresh | Stskeeps: yeah.. |
| 19:26.42 | davi | I need to contact him |
| 19:26.56 | thresh | i was considering buying the device to be able to develop VLC for it |
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| 19:27.11 | Khertan_n810 | Hello ! |
| 19:27.13 | Stskeeps | thresh: thought there was a bit of hildonization already in vlc? |
| 19:27.41 | thresh | Stskeeps: there is a new interface and some support for n8x0 in current vlc git master, yeah |
| 19:27.43 | Khertan_n810 | someone know a mud client for maemo ? |
| 19:28.08 | thresh | Stskeeps: doesnt mean it's completely finished though :) |
| 19:28.18 | Stskeeps | thresh: happen to have any scrshots of that, even if it's alpha? |
| 19:28.20 | qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_n810, hi, there's a command line one on itt |
| 19:28.36 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... |
| 19:28.57 | Khertan_n810 | thx qwerty12 ... i ll try it |
| 19:30.01 | thresh | Stskeeps: nope... |
| 19:33.37 | thresh | we had some from debian sid (not on device itself), and it was creepy :) |
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| 19:33.50 | Stskeeps | thresh: hehe |
| 19:34.09 | Stskeeps | vlc could be interesting in Mer :P |
| 19:34.32 | thresh | uhm "mer"? |
| 19:34.38 | thresh | (sorry i'm a newbie :) |
| 19:35.21 | davi | Does <dookdook> use to be in this channel? |
| 19:36.34 | andre__ | mer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint |
| 19:36.45 | Khertan_n810 | tf: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:36.47 | Khertan_n810 | arg |
| 19:37.27 | Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: nope mplayer is better |
| 19:37.29 | thresh | andre__: thanks! |
| 19:38.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_n810, symlink libssl.so.0.9.8 to libssl.so.0.9.7 |
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| 19:39.37 | Stskeeps | lo meiz |
| 19:40.03 | Meiz_n810 | w00t, chatting from Mer now |
| 19:40.05 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 19:40.08 | Stskeeps | screenshots! |
| 19:40.40 | Meiz_n810 | midori works really fast |
| 19:40.45 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
| 19:40.46 | Stskeeps | video |
| 19:40.58 | Meiz_n810 | no video today... |
| 19:41.00 | Stskeeps | ah :P |
| 19:41.26 | Meiz_n810 | but screenshots |
| 19:42.17 | Meiz_n810 | this whole thing seems to be ..stable.. |
| 19:42.31 | thresh | based on 5 minute test? |
| 19:42.32 | Stskeeps | scaringily |
| 19:42.39 | Stskeeps | thresh: i'm even surprised it lasts a minute. |
| 19:42.54 | Meiz_n810 | i was installing pidgin, browsing itt with midori and taking screenshots, not even close to crash |
| 19:43.20 | Stskeeps | and we dont even have swap on i guess |
| 19:43.33 | thresh | who needs swap nowadays :) |
| 19:43.41 | Stskeeps | 128mb ram tablets |
| 19:43.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:43.47 | Meiz_n810 | load-applet showed 3/4 memory |
| 19:44.03 | Meiz_n810 | i dont know if swap is enabled |
| 19:44.07 | Stskeeps | doubt it |
| 19:44.33 | thresh | dmesg | grep swap ? |
| 19:45.19 | qwerty12_N800 | cat /proc/swaps |
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| 19:45.55 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: since imager doesnt install swap in fstab, it doesnt get it probably :P |
| 19:47.17 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, dunno, ke-recv doesn't update fstab but /media/mmc2/.swap is listed there still |
| 19:47.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: no ke-recv yet :> |
| 19:47.40 | Meiz_n810 | it took some time to find out how to get the: | |
| 19:47.44 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:47.48 | Meiz_n810 | but there is no output |
| 19:47.54 | Stskeeps | no swap then |
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| 19:48.13 | Meiz_n810 | o_O |
| 19:48.17 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i know :), my point is more about it not updating fstab in general but /proc/swaps showing it |
| 19:48.45 | Meiz_n810 | deblet would have crashed if installing and browsing web at the same time |
| 19:49.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: *nod* |
| 19:50.03 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: if you're able to do a midori video at some point, it'd be wonderful :) |
| 19:50.18 | Stskeeps | but i'm looking forward to seeing screenshots anyway |
| 19:50.48 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 19:50.58 | Meiz_n810 | uploading.... |
| 19:51.11 | Stskeeps | you even upload through mer? :P |
| 19:51.22 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 19:51.41 | Stskeeps | thresh: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer <- very early alpha right now |
| 19:51.51 | Meiz_n810 | midori is faster than microb i think, but eats more memory |
| 19:51.56 | Stskeeps | possibly |
| 19:52.08 | Stskeeps | would really prefer faster than slow and less memory |
| 19:52.12 | Stskeeps | i only have 1-2 windows anyway |
| 19:52.44 | thresh | nice |
| 19:55.30 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: same url as above to you.. why we need theming ;) |
| 19:56.06 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: kicking off the log run |
| 19:56.33 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright, looking forward to seeing it |
| 19:58.44 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: could you verify 'imager' has the fake /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d in it? |
| 19:58.54 | Stskeeps | as in, the line fake /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d |
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| 19:59.32 | Meiz_n810 | grr |
| 19:59.43 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 19:59.51 | Meiz_n810 | picasaweb does not work with midori |
| 20:00.02 | Meiz_n810 | did not work in deblet too |
| 20:00.03 | Stskeeps | sec, lemme give you a scp to upload to |
| 20:00.09 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 20:00.32 | Meiz_n810 | i will upload them to picasa later |
| 20:01.16 | Meiz_n810 | midori took 42mb mem when i tried picasa |
| 20:01.25 | Meiz_n810 | o_O |
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| 20:03.52 | Stskeeps | yeah, gwt app prolly |
| 20:04.56 | Meiz_n810 | uploaded |
| 20:05.28 | Meiz_n810 | pidgin takes a lot of mem too |
| 20:05.52 | qwerty12_N800 | xchat! :P |
| 20:06.05 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/ |
| 20:06.12 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: midori fullscreen on its own? |
| 20:07.32 | Meiz_n810 | it is on top of hildon, what do you mean |
| 20:07.59 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty: there is no xchat for jaunty yet |
| 20:08.13 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: alright |
| 20:08.29 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: you can always try building the xchat one from maemo, but i suspect it uses browser headers.. |
| 20:08.44 | Meiz_n810 | i tried once |
| 20:08.49 | qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, ah :( |
| 20:09.07 | Meiz_n810 | i dont remember what went wrong... |
| 20:10.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, shouldn't do. when i applied the hildon patches to 2.8.6, i'm pretty sure it just used a dbus call to bring up the browser like i do in transmission |
| 20:10.51 | Stskeeps | k |
| 20:11.17 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yes it does, line 73 |
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| 20:12.06 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: k |
| 20:13.23 | Meiz_n810 | mm....synaptic :P |
| 20:15.02 | Stskeeps | something died? :P |
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| 20:16.53 | Stskeeps | wb |
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| 20:22.03 | davi | Anyone know the dookdook's email? |
| 20:22.15 | davi | He was asking at #gnu for a site where you could potentially bid on a project |
| 20:22.15 | Stskeeps | ~seen dookdook |
| 20:22.17 | infobot | dookdook <n=dookdook@82-41-14-247.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 206d 2h 46m 34s ago, saying: 'has anyone seen adn770?'. |
| 20:22.39 | Stskeeps | .. seems like it's a long time ago that person was in here |
| 20:22.40 | davi | shit! too much time |
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| 20:22.51 | Stskeeps | and which project? |
| 20:23.31 | oli | hm, n800 diablo, how to enable on-screen keyboard after using USB one? |
| 20:23.35 | davi | I do not know. I am looking for him to report about the http://gnuherds.org/pledges |
| 20:23.39 | davi | project |
| 20:23.54 | davi | Maybe GNU Herds is what he is looking for ... |
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| 20:24.16 | Stskeeps | mmkay |
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| 20:27.29 | r2d2rogers | oli: gconftool -t bool -s /system/osso/af/slide-open false |
| 20:27.43 | r2d2rogers | that's what I use for OS2008HE |
| 20:28.33 | r2d2rogers | oli: I have it in Personal Menu for when I need it |
| 20:29.20 | oli | r2d2rogers: thanks, will check it |
| 20:30.35 | r2d2rogers | oli: np |
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| 20:33.54 | Meiz_n810 | will try to compile numptyphysics for Mer :P |
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| 20:36.58 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: heh heh |
| 20:39.01 | Meiz_n810 | i can't |
| 20:39.12 | Meiz_n810 | one of its build deps: E: Couldn't find package libg11-mesa-dev |
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| 20:39.34 | Stskeeps | did you people know that the company who invented American Idol and stuff, is called Freemantle Productions?. |
| 20:39.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:39.45 | BULLE | Stskeeps: yes |
| 20:39.49 | BULLE | Stskeeps: nothing new there |
| 20:40.05 | BULLE | Stskeeps: they do all the brainded tv stuff that keeps people in the sofa, not thinking |
| 20:40.23 | Stskeeps | like, the tablet that makes me stay in bed instead of going to work? |
| 20:40.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:40.25 | Stskeeps | ;> |
| 20:40.43 | BULLE | yes! |
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| 20:42.47 | kartik | Well i dont know whether this is the right place to ask this question, but from where can i get a nokia 810 tablet |
| 20:42.52 | kartik | in INDIA |
| 20:43.09 | kartik | its not here on the official website of nokia |
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| 20:44.07 | Stskeeps | ask in a shop? :P |
| 20:44.14 | Stskeeps | order it from US? |
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| 20:47.01 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: any objections towards me advertising for meeting on iTT and m-d, and having meeting in #maemo-meeting? |
| 20:51.46 | kartik | well getting it from us does not seems to be an option, high dollar price will rip me off :) |
| 20:53.41 | Stskeeps | high? its low here :P |
| 20:54.07 | Stskeeps | hong kong maybe |
| 20:54.20 | kartik | but the dollar conversion rate is pretty high :P |
| 20:55.11 | kartik | yeah getting it from outside is always an option, but i did expected that by this time it would be released here it self. |
| 20:55.37 | kartik | I mean what is not common here opensource or nokia. None |
| 21:02.41 | lcuk | kartik, if OSS is not common, and nokia are not common, why did you think Nokias Open Source tablet would be plentiful? |
| 21:03.03 | lcuk | but you are best asking nokia themselves |
| 21:03.51 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i think he means the opposite |
| 21:03.57 | kartik | lcuk, you get me wrong |
| 21:04.11 | kartik | lcuk, yup i meant the opposite |
| 21:05.05 | lcuk | doh! well of course |
| 21:05.10 | kartik | both of them are very very common here and that is why it surprises me that we dont have devices running on maemo over here |
| 21:05.18 | lcuk | reverses everything someone says |
| 21:05.57 | lcuk | kartik, i also thought you could get them pretty much anywhere |
| 21:06.00 | lcuk | speak to nokia |
| 21:06.28 | kartik | I might will |
| 21:06.55 | lcuk | does that mean you wont? |
| 21:07.15 | kartik | No that means that i will |
| 21:07.21 | lcuk | is confuddled, please ignore my whitterings tonight :P |
| 21:08.14 | kartik | though i think that there wont be anyone in nokia that will even paid a heed to what i am saying |
| 21:08.40 | Stskeeps | kartik: you'd be surprised how much nokia hears |
| 21:08.54 | lcuk | well they will hear you, whether you get the answer you expect is another matter |
| 21:09.11 | kartik | Stskeeps: I will be very surprised |
| 21:09.36 | Stskeeps | kartik: try a post on iTT, write it nicely, write the case for india, and you would probably get a response.. |
| 21:09.51 | Stskeeps | but do check if it's actually a market already |
| 21:10.05 | Stskeeps | kartik: nokia people hang out in here, on iTT, etc, so |
| 21:11.23 | kartik | Stskeeps: Well there were many maemo stall with nokia 810 tablets in FOSS.in this year ( I was not there my self) |
| 21:12.06 | kartik | And nokia may not even release it in the main market because right now may be only developers will be interested |
| 21:12.19 | kartik | I will try on iTT |
| 21:12.40 | Stskeeps | well you people have blackberries.. so why not tablets |
| 21:14.05 | ShadowJK | though no iphones :P |
| 21:14.18 | kartik | Yup, plus it will be great fun to run python scripts while my teacher is boring with her lectures |
| 21:14.54 | kartik | ShadowJK: we have iphone here for some where arround $600+ officially |
| 21:14.57 | ShadowJK | heh, i have python installed on my phone too |
| 21:15.08 | kartik | I want it too :( |
| 21:15.20 | ShadowJK | karbas, yeah I know apple tried, but nobody wanted it? :P |
| 21:15.48 | kartik | Well for such a price no one will EVER want it |
| 21:15.49 | ShadowJK | I think $600 is the "real" retail price of iphone everywhere |
| 21:16.03 | Stskeeps | kartik: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=shop , contact some of the shops mentioned and hear? |
| 21:16.34 | ShadowJK | But of course in many countries the iphone is forcefully bundled with a contract, so you pay it 3 years and people are too stupid to figure out how much it costs :P |
| 21:16.49 | glass_ | ShadowJK: but it's only 199$ (not..) |
| 21:17.13 | lcuk | mental note: do not try to use tweezers as stylus |
| 21:17.32 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 21:17.34 | kartik | lcuk, get a beer |
| 21:18.00 | lcuk | a beer wont help, ill just have a wet n810 and still not do any pointing with it |
| 21:18.00 | kartik | that might put you to rest |
| 21:18.10 | lcuk | mind you, i could freeze the beer into an icycle |
| 21:18.25 | glass_ | lcuk: they sell/sold that in germany, i hear |
| 21:18.39 | glass_ | lcuk: beer icicles that had alco too |
| 21:18.41 | lcuk | beer lollies? |
| 21:18.52 | lcuk | ta for spelling :) it looked wrong but i couldnt suss it |
| 21:19.01 | glass_ | dunno if it's right :D |
| 21:19.10 | lcuk | yours looks righterer than mine :D |
| 21:19.18 | glass_ | i just remember the testicles reference from futurama |
| 21:19.34 | glass_ | test-sicles or something, name of some product |
| 21:20.08 | lcuk | WHOA! how did we get onto testicles? |
| 21:20.42 | lcuk | http://www.stefangeens.com/icycle.jpg |
| 21:20.53 | glass_ | from futurama reference, they were thinking of a name for popplers |
| 21:21.10 | glass_ | which remind me of poppers(a kind of sex enhancement drug you inhale) |
| 21:21.20 | glass_ | i should just shut up |
| 21:22.25 | lcuk | i just nearly dug a channel the size of the amazon across my lovely 810 |
| 21:23.33 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how's Mer so far then? |
| 21:23.53 | Stskeeps | ah, asleep |
| 21:24.37 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I'm not seeing the errors this time |
| 21:24.45 | r2d2rogers | still running |
| 21:24.46 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: interesting |
| 21:24.57 | r2d2rogers | I'm guessing PEBKAC |
| 21:25.32 | Stskeeps | well, i guess you're not talking about the fact you're not seeing any output, only in log fil ;) |
| 21:25.44 | r2d2rogers | lol |
| 21:25.56 | r2d2rogers | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.00 | Stskeeps | in .dk we call it error 40 .. problem exists about 40 cms from computer |
| 21:26.17 | lcuk | from your computer maybe :P |
| 21:27.54 | Stskeeps | and was used initially not to offend users when reporting back over the telephone |
| 21:27.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 21:28.10 | `0660 | :P |
| 21:30.24 | r2d2rogers | like and id 10 t error? |
| 21:30.38 | Stskeeps | hehe, yeah |
| 21:30.43 | r2d2rogers | hmm just lost the tail ssh session |
| 21:30.50 | Stskeeps | remembered swap? :P |
| 21:31.00 | r2d2rogers | was building local for GB-uk |
| 21:31.02 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 21:31.10 | Stskeeps | yeah.. that one is a bit rough |
| 21:31.11 | r2d2rogers | wouldn't have gotten that far ;) |
| 21:31.12 | Stskeeps | also on n810s |
| 21:31.15 | Stskeeps | i dunno why |
| 21:32.13 | Stskeeps | i suspect we'd have qemus doing it for us eventually :P |
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| 21:33.31 | r2d2rogers | trying to decide what to do now... |
| 21:33.40 | Stskeeps | did it complete or? |
| 21:33.41 | r2d2rogers | mm |
| 21:33.45 | r2d2rogers | not sure |
| 21:34.04 | qwerty12_N801 | Stskeeps, real English is more detailed :p |
| 21:34.04 | r2d2rogers | but the only reason I had the other was due to screen being in copy mode... |
| 21:34.20 | r2d2rogers | closing the terminal to look at the log |
| 21:35.09 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:35.17 | Stskeeps | locale generation is one of the last things so |
| 21:36.05 | r2d2rogers | it DRT |
| 21:36.08 | r2d2rogers | died right there |
| 21:36.24 | r2d2rogers | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.35 | r2d2rogers | no new line on that line |
| 21:36.38 | r2d2rogers | ifrom the log |
| 21:36.47 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 21:37.00 | Stskeeps | sure it isn't running still? |
| 21:37.43 | Stskeeps | upload platform file and target somewhere for me, and i'll build a tar.gz on a qemu :P |
| 21:38.03 | r2d2rogers | what would the process be names in top? |
| 21:38.08 | r2d2rogers | dpkg ? |
| 21:38.24 | r2d2rogers | s/names/named/ |
| 21:38.27 | Stskeeps | in this case, localgen |
| 21:38.28 | Stskeeps | in this case, localegen |
| 21:38.31 | r2d2rogers | l |
| 21:38.33 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 21:39.08 | r2d2rogers | not running |
| 21:39.29 | r2d2rogers | what does it need to do after the locale generation? |
| 21:39.45 | r2d2rogers | I'm thinking I can kick that part off again with apt |
| 21:39.49 | r2d2rogers | or dpkg |
| 21:40.10 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 21:40.13 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 21:41.59 | Stskeeps | the stuff in nokia_n800_postinstall() in platforms/n800 |
| 21:42.04 | Stskeeps | (nokia-n800) |
| 21:42.34 | Stskeeps | then |
| 21:42.35 | Stskeeps | unfake $TARGET/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d |
| 21:42.35 | Stskeeps | 115 unfake $TARGET/sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 21:42.44 | Stskeeps | and umounting /proc and /dev/pts inside it |
| 21:44.05 | r2d2rogers | as I thought PEBKAC |
| 21:44.23 | r2d2rogers | I hadn't changed the variable names in those to match the nokia_770 platform file |
| 21:44.33 | r2d2rogers | that would cause issues yes? |
| 21:44.36 | Stskeeps | .. maybe |
| 21:44.52 | Stskeeps | in any case, upload them somewhere and i'll put them in imager |
| 21:46.29 | r2d2rogers | will do |
| 21:46.38 | r2d2rogers | I started with a git repo for changes |
| 21:46.44 | r2d2rogers | so that should be easy |
| 21:46.58 | r2d2rogers | might give it one more go |
| 21:47.13 | r2d2rogers | do you have an account on github ot gitorious? |
| 21:47.23 | Stskeeps | nop, we use bzr (right now, will switch to git) |
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| 21:47.31 | Stskeeps | lo yerga |
| 21:49.22 | r2d2rogers | needs to figure out launchpad stuff anyhow |
| 21:49.32 | yerga_tablet | evening! |
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| 21:53.56 | Stskeeps | ponders if there's buildd alternatives |
| 21:56.21 | lardman | suggests bitbake ;) |
| 21:56.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:58.45 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: a small shell script and pbuilder is enough if you just have one build machine |
| 21:59.21 | Stskeeps | mm, yeah, but in this case preferably more |
| 22:00.33 | suihkulokki | with more machines, with a rewrite you'll soon end up with something as complex |
| 22:00.37 | suihkulokki | tried once :P |
| 22:03.04 | Stskeeps | too |
| 22:03.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:03.14 | Stskeeps | though it was more like a production line |
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| 22:08.05 | suihkulokki | ubuntu appears to run something custom with bits borrowed from sbuild/buildd |
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| 22:10.09 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: maybe that would bend for your use: http://julien.danjou.info/rebuildd/ |
| 22:10.14 | lcuk | drops an anvil on woglinde |
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| 22:10.19 | woglinde | he |
| 22:10.23 | woglinde | dont do that |
| 22:10.37 | woglinde | this gonna hurts |
| 22:11.12 | lcuk | nahhhh :D its an acme anvil |
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| 22:13.17 | lcuk | how you doing woglinde |
| 22:15.48 | lcuk | Stskeeps, nice! |
| 22:19.21 | woglinde | lcuk hm could be better |
| 22:20.05 | lcuk | mmmn :( not good |
| 22:20.10 | lcuk | you are normally chirpy |
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| 22:29.42 | acydlord | whats the current diablo release number? |
| 22:30.22 | lardman | 4.1.1 I think |
| 22:32.00 | andre__ | 4.1.2 or 4.2008.36-5 |
| 22:32.12 | lardman | oh well :) |
| 22:33.17 | Proteous | 4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.43.6.7.1999.2013 |
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| 22:33.51 | acydlord | ouch, i'm still running 4.2008.30-2 |
| 22:34.17 | Proteous | heh |
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| 22:43.48 | acydlord | wow, the fw image is slow to donwload |
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| 23:02.50 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: what's the baking the image section in the imager script? |
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| 23:07.03 | lardman | if I were using the sqlite3_column_int64(); command to retrieve data from an sqlite db, what format would I save it as? |
| 23:07.56 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I actually have a home_ap_home_view now. |
| 23:08.14 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: but the touchscreen doesn't work... |
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| 23:09.18 | lcuk | lardman, int64? |
| 23:10.01 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: no baking for only-fs, fabolous x starts and hildon too |
| 23:10.24 | lardman | lcuk: no, apparently INTEGER is the one, so I see from someone else's code |
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| 23:10.41 | Stskeeps | touchscreen.. i guess we have to look at tlib |
| 23:10.55 | lcuk | libxsp |
| 23:10.56 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: watching again, I got that far by going through console |
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| 23:11.14 | lcuk | Stskeeps, thats the touch interface in use on current device |
| 23:11.17 | r2d2rogers | tome for me to head home |
| 23:12.01 | StsN800 | alright - you are running an modern xorg atm:) |
| 23:12.08 | r2d2rogers | \o/ |
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| 23:12.50 | StsN800 | i suspect it is in xorg.conf we fix ot |
| 23:12.56 | StsN800 | it |
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| 23:13.23 | r2d2rogers | I think it didn't have fstab and xorg.conf the last tiem I attempted |
| 23:13.25 | gnuton | hi there |
| 23:13.52 | r2d2rogers | I think this might end up useable on this install, but I have another card to play with to tweak the scripts up |
| 23:14.18 | r2d2rogers | later,.. |
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