| 00:06.00 | timeless | sighs |
| 00:06.20 | timeless | vpn's can be really poorly implemented |
| 00:06.49 | timeless | sure, ti'd be a great idea to automatically pop up a dialog which steals keyboard focus when the session is about to expire |
| 00:07.03 | timeless | after all, the user definitely wants to enter random letters into the password field |
| 00:09.23 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise you might forget that it expired. Then what?! |
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| 00:24.58 | timeless | woohoo |
| 00:25.02 | timeless | apt-get now kinda works |
| 00:25.08 | timeless | wonders if this system is usable |
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| 00:36.07 | sin18 | on n800 (diablo) i can bring up the virtual kbd for easy debian (using set debian hw keys) but how can i turn it off (hide) after i am done. |
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| 00:39.58 | l7 | ["dd if=$USER of=/dev/bed" is a rather funny quit message :) |
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| 01:00.00 | z4chh | i installed hello-world-app version 0.7....i can't seem to find the source for it, the latest i can find is 0.4 |
| 01:01.19 | z4chh | this is my favorite app in the world, and i must see the source >:'(!! |
| 01:02.02 | lcuk | z4chh, you are welcome to look at my hello world app :) source and all http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ |
| 01:02.29 | z4chh | lcuk, that is to complicated for me probably ;p |
| 01:02.41 | z4chh | why do you think id even bother looking a hello world source |
| 01:02.47 | z4chh | at* |
| 01:03.09 | z4chh | but thanks :D |
| 01:03.11 | lcuk | most certainly, but look anyway. i dont know where a helloworld is - there was one in my vmware image but i dunno what version it was or anythin |
| 01:04.26 | z4chh | btw ive had liqbase for awhile now, great software, good job |
| 01:12.23 | pupnik | jagernot: what kind of synth would be fun to use - |
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| 01:18.30 | jagernot | pupnik: i dont know what do you like? |
| 01:19.14 | pupnik | Tb-303 forever :P |
| 01:19.52 | pupnik | a touchscreen ARP-2600 simulator would be great also |
| 01:19.57 | pupnik | for making R2D2 sounds |
| 01:20.06 | jagernot | im dont know many synths; din/boxar is my first sound project so.. |
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| 01:26.32 | timeless | ok |
| 01:26.38 | timeless | i think i can do debian stuff w/o debian |
| 01:26.41 | timeless | is happy |
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| 01:47.50 | z4chh | i think maemo needs more sample source code for programming applications >.< |
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| 01:52.21 | GeneralAntilles | z4chh, um? |
| 01:52.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/ |
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| 01:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | Go way |
| 01:56.55 | z4chh | GeneralAntilles, actually i was refering to this https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/ |
| 01:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | z4chh, meh, that's just an unused feature of gforge |
| 01:57.21 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't actually have much to do with Maemo |
| 01:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | There's plenty of example code available in the documentation |
| 01:57.36 | GeneralAntilles | and more if you start looking in the repositories |
| 01:57.52 | z4chh | why keep it then? >.< |
| 01:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | In case somebody wants to use it. |
| 01:58.23 | z4chh | haha |
| 01:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | Just because nobody currently uses it doesn't mean nobody ever will. |
| 01:59.21 | z4chh | "that's just an unused feature of gforge" contradicting yourself? :P |
| 01:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 02:00.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's currently unused, but that may not always be the case |
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| 02:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | there's no harm in leaving it there if somebody wants to start using it. |
| 02:00.32 | z4chh | anyways ill search through that source directory...thanks for the link |
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| 02:01.26 | GeneralAntilles | The MO for corporate support email seems to be "ignore questions we don't understand, then pretend that we care after they bitch about not receiving a reply 2 weeks later" |
| 02:05.45 | derf | They only ignore questions they _don't_ understand? |
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| 02:07.30 | GeneralAntilles | Fair enough |
| 02:09.41 | derf | I mean, really, it's a crappy job where the employees want to do just enough not to get fired. |
| 02:20.28 | solca | hey GeneralAntilles, it seems you just sleep like 2 hours a day, incredible performance! |
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| 03:06.47 | GeneralAntilles | Not looking good for better color performance in the N900: MAEMO SPECIFIC: MADE clutter-texture ALWAYS USE 16 BIT |
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| 03:11.23 | zakkm | Heard on engadget, the Fremantle SDK is out? |
| 03:11.31 | zakkm | does that mean much on a user end? |
| 03:11.37 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 03:11.53 | zakkm | i know sdk is developers kit |
| 03:11.55 | zakkm | but yeah |
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| 03:12.27 | zakkm | so was it as good as people hoped? |
| 03:15.07 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, thats a good thing :) |
| 03:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, it means gradients will still be upgly as hell. |
| 03:26.49 | nikosapi | do you guys have any idea why the tutorial for booting off an SD card has you create a 480MB vfat partition on the card? |
| 03:27.04 | GAN800 | But, yes, fewer colors to push around means less overhead |
| 03:27.34 | GAN800 | ~boot-sd |
| 03:27.35 | infobot | hmm... boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 03:27.42 | GAN800 | That one? |
| 03:27.54 | nikosapi | yup |
| 03:27.59 | nikosapi | specifically: https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card |
| 03:28.38 | GAN800 | Well, you'll at least want space for swap |
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| 03:29.16 | GAN800 | It's really only an example, though, so set it to whatever works for you. |
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| 03:29.28 | nikosapi | sure but not 480MB of swap... and couldn't I just create a swap file in the ext2 parition? |
| 03:29.33 | nikosapi | ah |
| 03:29.41 | nikosapi | so there's no real reason |
| 03:30.05 | GAN800 | You can, but not from the UI |
| 03:30.29 | GAN800 | and most people are likely to still want to store stuff on the card from Windows machines |
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| 03:30.44 | nikosapi | iirc the UI creates the swap image on the internal flash |
| 03:31.14 | GeneralAntilles | nikosapi, more accurately, mmc2 |
| 03:31.18 | GeneralAntilles | which is NOT an ext2 partition |
| 03:31.34 | nikosapi | yep, but which is the internal flash on the n810 |
| 03:31.44 | GeneralAntilles | No, it's not. |
| 03:31.50 | nikosapi | yes it is :P |
| 03:31.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's a FAT partition on mmcblk0p1 |
| 03:32.02 | nikosapi | yes |
| 03:32.09 | nikosapi | which cannot be removed |
| 03:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | Which is definitely not the same thing as "internal flash" |
| 03:32.27 | nikosapi | oh sorry |
| 03:32.31 | derf | Speak for yourself. |
| 03:32.33 | derf | I removed it. |
| 03:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | If mmcblk0p1 is ext2, then you can't create swap from the UI. :) |
| 03:32.39 | nikosapi | haha |
| 03:32.53 | derf | And I have swap working just fine. |
| 03:33.05 | derf | Created from the UI. |
| 03:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | derf, not without rearranging the automounting. |
| 03:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | Since it wont mount an ext* partition on mmc2 by default |
| 03:34.10 | derf | Well, yeah, of course you fix /etc/fstab. |
| 03:34.24 | GeneralAntilles | All of these things are possible, they're just too complicated to explain to people who just want to get the job done, and don't want to futz around for an extra 30 minutes for no advantage. |
| 03:34.42 | nikosapi | ok, well thanks for the info :) |
| 03:35.03 | derf | I mean, if you've used Unix at all, you know how to do these things. |
| 03:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | derf, obviously. |
| 03:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | The people going to the wikipedia on partitioning a flash card are not those folks. |
| 03:35.51 | derf | They probably actually want FAT, though. |
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| 03:35.51 | GeneralAntilles | s/wikipedia/the wiki/ |
| 03:35.56 | GeneralAntilles | derf, which is why the example has them set up a FAT partition. |
| 03:36.02 | nikosapi | GeneralAntilles: I really hope you're not refering to me :P |
| 03:36.02 | GeneralAntilles | Now we're back exactly where we started |
| 03:36.19 | GeneralAntilles | nikosapi, I'm referring to the average use-case for that page. |
| 03:36.25 | derf | I was just objecting to you two telling me I couldn't do two things I've done. |
| 03:36.43 | GeneralAntilles | derf, nobody told YOU anything. <_< |
| 03:36.54 | derf | Oh, well fine. |
| 03:37.01 | derf | packs up the toys and goes home. |
| 03:38.05 | nikosapi | hah, so derf is the memory that's mounted on /media/mmc2 on the n810 actually removable, or was a soldering iron required? |
| 03:38.36 | derf | nikosapi: I just removed the partition. |
| 03:38.45 | nikosapi | d'oh |
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| 03:39.08 | nikosapi | I was speaking of physically being able to remove the memory |
| 03:39.34 | derf | That probably would involve a soldering iron. |
| 03:39.51 | nikosapi | that's what I thought |
| 03:39.51 | derf | But I never actually checked. |
| 03:40.46 | nikosapi | well, at least I now have a rescue SD card in case I bork my n810 again \O/ |
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| 05:03.20 | timely | z4chh: i'd plug mxr.maemo.org/garage/find |
| 05:03.25 | timely | there's lots of code to read |
| 05:03.47 | timely | (there's actually more, but i haven't pushed to garage in a while) |
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| 05:52.39 | derf | So, claws-mail seems to actually work. But it is _astoundingly_ slow at opening a folder with new mail in it. |
| 05:52.53 | derf | A folder with 21k messages and no new mail, no problem. |
| 05:53.03 | derf | But 8k messages, 1 new, and it takes minutes to open. |
| 06:06.26 | Proteous | MINUTES!!! |
| 06:06.33 | Proteous | WE DON'T HAVE MINUTES TO SPARE |
| 06:08.25 | derf | Several minutes to open a folder to check one mail message is pretty unusable. |
| 06:09.09 | derf | I think the actual problem is that when it checked for new mail, it filled up all my RAM and is now swapping like mad. |
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| 06:11.49 | Proteous | yeah |
| 06:12.01 | Proteous | I'm just having fun with caps lock |
| 06:12.03 | Proteous | don't mind me |
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| 06:29.50 | derf | So, ultimately a failed experiment. |
| 06:30.03 | derf | Once again, a problem that would be completely solved if the tablet had about twice as much RAM as it does. |
| 06:31.34 | Kl0r | rams enough, what pisses you off the most is inability to use the 3dchip |
| 06:31.56 | derf | Where by "you" you mean not me? |
| 06:32.06 | derf | The RAM is really not enough. |
| 06:32.37 | derf | When I can't open two browser windows because the "Operation has been temporarily disabled due to low memory", you don't have enough RAM. |
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| 06:34.36 | pupnik | if I were dictator, i'd put half the web codemonkeys in work camps designing sites for 80286 PCs |
| 06:35.06 | `0660 | derf, stop using myspace :) |
| 06:35.08 | pupnik | i found a nice compound for them too |
| 06:41.28 | derf | It doesn't take some crappy Web 7.0 social networking site. A plain page with a big image background is enough. |
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| 06:43.22 | Kl0r | i should buy a blutooth keyb , xchat works fine in diablo, but typing is a bit of a pain |
| 06:48.34 | pupnik | derf, i have to agree. the primary target, "internet tablet" really requires more mem |
| 06:48.50 | pupnik | too bad mem eats power. would be nice if one could power up/down banks as needed. |
| 06:49.50 | pupnik | but you probably know more about this than i - any idea of what % of power the N8x0 memory eats, vs various cpu states? |
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| 06:55.28 | Proteous | turn on VM |
| 06:55.34 | Proteous | increas the browser cache |
| 06:56.02 | Proteous | there is also a nice thread on internettablettalk about some browser settings that help |
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| 07:38.04 | vincenzo | Hello all |
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| 07:39.37 | Mikho | is there any way to pass command line arguments to a program from a .desktop file? |
| 07:40.14 | Mikho | there's an Exec field alright, but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 07:40.31 | Mikho | the program only gets what I type in the corresponding .service file |
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| 07:41.03 | tekojo | Morning all! |
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| 07:42.12 | Mikho | actually, maemo seems to ignore the contents of the Exec field in the .desktop file |
| 07:42.32 | vincenzo | Mikho: You only want to start your program by a button ? |
| 07:43.52 | Mikho | yes, mostly |
| 07:44.11 | vincenzo | I had the same problem yesterday, 1 sec |
| 07:44.56 | vincenzo | Try to remove the .service file and remove the dbus-related line from .desktop file |
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| 07:45.32 | Mikho | well, actually I want the program also to start upon received dbus messages |
| 07:45.52 | Mikho | but there are some messages I'd like it to ignore |
| 07:46.34 | vincenzo | So i don't know, i'm a newbie :( |
| 07:47.27 | Mikho | np |
| 07:49.37 | Mikho | ooh, got it |
| 07:50.04 | Mikho | if the X-Osso-Service field is defined in the .desktop file, the Exec field will be ignored |
| 07:50.10 | Mikho | instead the service file is used |
| 07:50.51 | vincenzo | Thanks for the info :) |
| 07:51.14 | Mikho | so, if I remove X-Osso-Service field and leave the .service file alone, I can have different arguments for each way the program is started |
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| 07:53.53 | Mikho | the tutorials don't explain these things wery well |
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| 07:54.42 | vincenzo | Yes i have lost 5h to start my application with a desktop button :( |
| 07:55.33 | Mikho | argh, there's a flaw |
| 07:55.55 | Mikho | if I remove X-Osso-Service, it won't check whether the program is running already |
| 07:56.32 | Mikho | So I'll get 5 daemons in the background for 5 clicks on the button |
| 07:57.40 | vincenzo | Hmmm |
| 07:58.36 | vincenzo | May be this link can help you... : http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo:_Hildonizing_application_UI |
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| 08:03.17 | Meiz_n810 | Wlan still not working :( wlan-cal says: size zero, block not found... +yesterdays pastebin |
| 08:03.26 | Meiz_n810 | (in Mer) |
| 08:07.37 | StsN800 | yes, i'll look at o |
| 08:07.41 | StsN800 | it.. |
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| 08:37.17 | StsN801 | morn |
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| 08:58.06 | Mikho | gahh, this is annoying. Eclipse runs out of memory twice an hour |
| 08:58.32 | RST38h | Mikho: Should I tell you how to solve it or do you know it already? |
| 09:00.38 | Mikho | emacs? |
| 09:01.24 | RST38h | close, yes |
| 09:01.30 | RST38h | Start by removing Eclipse. |
| 09:02.24 | Mikho | but, then how can I create code with an useful error parsing feature? |
| 09:03.27 | RST38h | By hand? |
| 09:03.47 | RST38h | Oh, you mean you want a list of errors on which you can click... Try Geany |
| 09:04.49 | mavhc | stop trying to run eclipse on an n810 |
| 09:05.15 | RST38h | mavhc: "on an n810" was unnecessary in that statement |
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| 09:07.20 | Mikho | well, I'd be happy if it just remained stable for at least 2 hours |
| 09:07.58 | RST38h | Mikho: Eclipse will not. |
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| 09:08.47 | RST38h | More eyecandy: http://docent.msk.ru/lj/mosfilm/th_mosfilm_pano_3.jpg |
| 09:10.08 | mavhc | just buy another 4GB of ram, it's cheap these days |
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| 09:16.04 | AStorm | hello |
| 09:16.30 | AStorm | is there a n8x0 build of firefox 3.1b2 available? |
| 09:16.38 | AStorm | (no, not fennec) |
| 09:16.45 | RST38h | moo, astorm |
| 09:17.41 | AStorm | moo? |
| 09:17.53 | AStorm | so, do we have one? |
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| 09:18.40 | Stskeeps | AStorm: don't think so. maybe on debian |
| 09:18.49 | AStorm | hmm |
| 09:19.01 | AStorm | could someone build it for us? |
| 09:19.26 | AStorm | possibly using already existent xulrunner... but that's not necessary |
| 09:20.04 | RST38h | But why? It will be pretty large / slow |
| 09:20.16 | AStorm | definitely not slow |
| 09:20.23 | AStorm | and not larger than fennec |
| 09:20.31 | AStorm | (smaller actually) |
| 09:21.28 | RST38h | heh |
| 09:21.29 | AStorm | ui will need slight tweaks, yup |
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| 09:21.46 | AStorm | nothing a fairly simple extension can't handle |
| 09:22.29 | AStorm | (clickzoom, click-to-scroll, selection mode) |
| 09:22.57 | AStorm | so, is anyone willing to build it... or give me a nice *small" ready sbox2? |
| 09:23.55 | AStorm | Stskeeps, do you have one? |
| 09:25.42 | AStorm | sbox1 is ok too, but nowhere near as nice |
| 09:26.02 | AStorm | I have a problem preparing it for building debs |
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| 09:29.16 | Stskeeps | AStorm: not yet :P i'm planning to have one based on m-vo's post |
| 09:29.21 | Stskeeps | did you see his post about sb2 btw? |
| 09:29.32 | AStorm | no, sorry |
| 09:29.45 | AStorm | I'm not following ITT too closely recently |
| 09:29.59 | Stskeeps | oh, it's on planet maemo |
| 09:29.59 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 09:30.00 | AStorm | care to give me a link? |
| 09:30.08 | AStorm | ah |
| 09:30.17 | Stskeeps | http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/the-cardinal-sin-of-scratchbox-a-backhanded-stab-at-the-maemo-sdk-and-the-promise-of-a-pot-of-gold/ |
| 09:30.44 | RST38h | SB2 is way more sensible but I am kinda tired of babysitting it |
| 09:31.01 | RST38h | Every new updates seems to break something |
| 09:31.01 | Stskeeps | i would love a mode like he describes :P |
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| 09:34.36 | AStorm | fennec is almost good (as of nightlies) |
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| 09:35.07 | AStorm | but its way of showing tabs and its awesome bar are... yuck |
| 09:35.10 | RST38h | AStorm: Why is it larger than plain ff though? |
| 09:35.23 | AStorm | because of full xulrunner |
| 09:35.28 | RST38h | Isn't it supposed to be much lighter and faster? |
| 09:35.36 | AStorm | while ff doesn't use whole of it |
| 09:35.49 | AStorm | so an optimized build of ff is smaller than xulrunner |
| 09:36.02 | RST38h | Ah...Can the same be done with fennec? |
| 09:36.05 | AStorm | also, fennec is slow due to not using gtk |
| 09:36.09 | AStorm | no |
| 09:36.18 | AStorm | fennec is a python ui to xulrunner |
| 09:36.20 | AStorm | :P |
| 09:36.37 | AStorm | or something |
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| 09:37.27 | Stskeeps | AStorm: are you kidding me? :P |
| 09:37.34 | RST38h | urgh |
| 09:37.49 | AStorm | no, it is one |
| 09:37.55 | X-Fade | Hi all. Just finished reading the backscroll. Good stuff ;) |
| 09:37.57 | AStorm | also, the "canvas" has bugs |
| 09:38.22 | RST38h | feels depressed now. The first mobile FF browser, and it appears to be fundamentally shitty |
| 09:38.30 | Stskeeps | it is a python ui to xulrunner? :P |
| 09:38.39 | AStorm | it is |
| 09:38.45 | AStorm | check fennec .deb |
| 09:39.02 | Stskeeps | ok, i don't mind python but for this exact purpose it's madness |
| 09:39.05 | pupnik | nokia is looking to transform itself into an internet service |
| 09:39.14 | AStorm | it's not too crummy though |
| 09:39.15 | pupnik | from yesterday's "FAZ" newspaper |
| 09:39.22 | AStorm | needs a bunch of work |
| 09:39.31 | RST38h | pupnik: Are mushrooms THAT good in Finalnd? |
| 09:39.43 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 09:39.48 | pupnik | the article claimed it was 'betting the farm' on it |
| 09:39.58 | AStorm | they suck |
| 09:40.15 | AStorm | their crystal ball went broken |
| 09:40.22 | RST38h | Providing an online extension to its own hardware a la Apple I can understand |
| 09:40.28 | RST38h | Astorm: BOTH their balls |
| 09:40.38 | Stskeeps | AStorm: can't see any python in i686 version atleast |
| 09:40.49 | AStorm | Stskeeps, hmm? |
| 09:40.52 | RST38h | Transforming itself into internet service I cannot understand |
| 09:40.59 | AStorm | so what did I misread? |
| 09:41.19 | AStorm | Stskeeps, anyway, it is an ui to xulrunner |
| 09:41.25 | Stskeeps | yeah, that much doesn't surprise me |
| 09:41.52 | AStorm | well, it is... buggy and weak |
| 09:42.06 | AStorm | and the sidebars are too easy to toggle |
| 09:42.21 | AStorm | so, I want firefox 3.1 here |
| 09:42.39 | AStorm | with some minor tweaking, it'll be better than microb |
| 09:42.54 | AStorm | thanks to gecko 1.9.1 and features |
| 09:43.45 | pupnik | i can see nokia deciding that margins on hardware will continue to drop with commoditization of the technology |
| 09:44.01 | pupnik | and that new innovations in services/features are a must-have |
| 09:44.21 | AStorm | new lock-ins? yuck! |
| 09:44.54 | pupnik | it's a way to add value to a product AStorm |
| 09:45.20 | AStorm | negative value in my eyes |
| 09:45.47 | AStorm | yes, more $$$ for Nokia, maybe |
| 09:46.33 | pupnik | i'd be happy if the core OS went to linux and open-source |
| 09:46.59 | Stskeeps | .. it is quite already out there |
| 09:47.05 | AStorm | :) |
| 09:47.17 | pupnik | on nokia phones |
| 09:47.17 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:47.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, ok |
| 09:47.22 | glass_ | pupnik: what nokia is transforming into depends entirely who inside nokia you ask the question |
| 09:48.00 | pupnik | thanks for the correction, i should cite the source |
| 09:48.17 | glass_ | pupnik: like, really, some nokians seem to be pretty much blindfolded |
| 09:48.26 | glass_ | they talk trash |
| 09:48.36 | glass_ | like saying 3 years ago that in a year maemo would be in phones |
| 09:48.39 | glass_ | all |
| 09:48.48 | Stskeeps | they say that now though |
| 09:48.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:49.27 | AStorm | maemo is far too demanding in processing power :> |
| 09:49.30 | RST38h | they do not |
| 09:49.38 | RST38h | no dates named |
| 09:49.38 | Stskeeps | would/could |
| 09:49.41 | AStorm | see, they'd need better batteries |
| 09:49.51 | RST38h | AStorm: n8x0 hw is no different from n95 really |
| 09:50.08 | AStorm | to get it running and also wifi plus gprs |
| 09:50.23 | AStorm | RST38h, and n95 isn't known for runtime :P |
| 09:50.30 | glass_ | n95 has ok runtime |
| 09:50.35 | glass_ | if you don't torture the features |
| 09:50.38 | AStorm | anyway, ui needs a refresh |
| 09:50.50 | AStorm | like, less suck |
| 09:50.52 | AStorm | :) |
| 09:50.52 | RST38h | same with maemo really |
| 09:50.52 | Stskeeps | from seeing the new hildon widgets, it's sure getting it |
| 09:50.55 | glass_ | n95's new firmware made it less sucky again |
| 09:51.06 | RST38h | Sts: screenshot? |
| 09:51.30 | Stskeeps | yergas posted some.. hmm |
| 09:51.30 | AStorm | Stskeeps, gtk improvements like fingerfriendly scrollbars by default |
| 09:51.53 | AStorm | less menu abuse |
| 09:52.03 | AStorm | and less screen space waste |
| 09:52.19 | Stskeeps | http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets |
| 09:52.27 | RST38h | ah! |
| 09:52.32 | Stskeeps | unthemed |
| 09:53.41 | AStorm | anyway |
| 09:53.51 | AStorm | touchscreens are overrated |
| 09:53.58 | AStorm | they're good for drawing |
| 09:54.04 | aquatix | and for browsing |
| 09:54.09 | AStorm | nah |
| 09:54.17 | AStorm | dpad is better |
| 09:54.21 | aquatix | well |
| 09:54.44 | aquatix | i prefer the touchscreen |
| 09:54.46 | aquatix | it's more direct |
| 09:55.08 | AStorm | like, you're obscuring what you want to read |
| 09:55.11 | AStorm | :> |
| 09:55.23 | AStorm | it's good for picking links though |
| 09:56.01 | aquatix | yeah, picking links, quickly scroll |
| 09:56.13 | aquatix | there's always an area in the page which you're not currently reading |
| 09:56.21 | aquatix | and the dpad i have to slide out first |
| 09:56.24 | aquatix | on my n810 |
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| 09:58.31 | AStorm | scroll would be better with a dedicated kinetic touchpad |
| 09:58.32 | AStorm | not always |
| 09:58.36 | AStorm | meh, I should get paid for design :P |
| 09:58.38 | AStorm | or at least be able to design some prototypes |
| 09:58.40 | AStorm | for personal use |
| 09:58.44 | AStorm | altenative would be to have a slack space on the touchscreen (make it wider) |
| 09:58.52 | AStorm | like a kinetic scrollbar |
| 09:58.54 | AStorm | yup, that was design problem |
| 09:58.59 | AStorm | I'd like an up/down key with a shift to horizontal :P |
| 09:59.07 | AStorm | like some cellphones have |
| 09:59.24 | pupnik | i'd like the 'H' key to also be a trackpoint on every keyboard |
| 09:59.36 | AStorm | haha |
| 09:59.44 | AStorm | trackpoint... |
| 10:00.00 | AStorm | instead of dpad... good idea |
| 10:00.04 | AStorm | but it's patented |
| 10:00.08 | AStorm | :P |
| 10:00.14 | pupnik | give it a rubber surface, make it more sensitive than the IBM trackpoints |
| 10:00.29 | pupnik | wonder what the license costs |
| 10:00.48 | AStorm | no idea, probably high enough |
| 10:00.49 | Stskeeps | lardman|gone: thanks for answering that post :P |
| 10:00.58 | AStorm | seeing as no other laptops have them |
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| 10:01.12 | pupnik | i'm so addicted to trackpoint |
| 10:01.31 | AStorm | I prefer touchscreen/touchpad |
| 10:01.36 | AStorm | with good software |
| 10:01.49 | AStorm | snap-to-button is good |
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| 10:03.22 | AStorm | anyway, touchscreen is ok |
| 10:03.34 | AStorm | but we need slack space and kinetic scrolling :) |
| 10:03.57 | AStorm | (and less space wasted) |
| 10:04.22 | AStorm | e.g. make the screen 960x480 |
| 10:04.53 | AStorm | and insert a scroll on the right side |
| 10:05.13 | AStorm | a'la canola |
| 10:05.14 | aquatix | or have a sensitive (touchpad-like) area on the casing to the right or left of the screen |
| 10:05.22 | AStorm | yes |
| 10:05.33 | AStorm | same idea, pick the cheaper one |
| 10:05.34 | aquatix | now there's just metal there |
| 10:05.37 | aquatix | indeed |
| 10:05.50 | aquatix | safes you a wide scroll bar too |
| 10:06.19 | aquatix | btw, offtopic, but does anyone know how to fix connectivity with msn and other networks using collabora haze? |
| 10:06.32 | aquatix | it's installed correctly, but it complains about connection errors |
| 10:07.27 | AStorm | no idea |
| 10:08.36 | AStorm | btw, we could use a better debounce on touchscreen |
| 10:08.55 | RST38h | Greatly depends on the particular tuch screen |
| 10:08.55 | aquatix | debounce? |
| 10:08.59 | AStorm | and some other buttons too (fullscreen comes to mind) |
| 10:09.00 | RST38h | They are all different |
| 10:09.19 | AStorm | aquatix, clickclickclick instead of one |
| 10:09.29 | RST38h | Ah, forget debounce, buttons, etc |
| 10:09.30 | AStorm | esp. when holding |
| 10:09.44 | RST38h | Just protect the damn touch screen better: it is so easy to scratch or break |
| 10:09.56 | AStorm | or broken lines when drawing |
| 10:10.04 | AStorm | my screen is fine itself |
| 10:10.12 | AStorm | it's a driver problem |
| 10:10.30 | RST38h | pressure values seem to be meaningless too |
| 10:10.37 | AStorm | yup |
| 10:10.46 | AStorm | that is very hard to calibrate |
| 10:11.17 | AStorm | esp. whole right side gets higher values than left side :P |
| 10:11.59 | RST38h | Yours too? |
| 10:12.17 | AStorm | yup |
| 10:14.26 | AStorm | probably either mount problem |
| 10:14.42 | AStorm | or artifact of production process |
| 10:15.49 | RST38h | I would tell this to Quim or Peter and ask them to relay thecomplaints to appropriate party |
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| 10:16.28 | RST38h | Touch screen pressure variations, bouncing, and slightly bent screens can and should be fixed in the production process |
| 10:16.39 | RST38h | These are basically hardware bugs :) |
| 10:18.31 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: I changed modprobe to insmod <path>/cx3110x.ko in tablet-wireless script, wlan-cal still fails, but at least tablet no more reboots because of it |
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| 10:26.53 | aquatix | ah, i had to downgrade libpurple0 to 2.4.3 from collabora |
| 10:32.57 | RST38h | No no |
| 10:33.02 | RST38h | do not use collabora's libpurple |
| 10:33.30 | RST38h | AStorm,aquatix,Stskeeps: Check this out and comment: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=248059#post248059 |
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| 10:36.00 | aquatix | RST38h: well, it works now |
| 10:37.45 | Meiz_n810 | My n810 f/s and volum buttons are good |
| 10:37.48 | RST38h | aquatix: but Pidgin will not |
| 10:37.50 | Meiz_n810 | i can hear click |
| 10:37.57 | Meiz_n810 | and they really feel pessed |
| 10:38.02 | RST38h | can also hear click but just barely |
| 10:38.12 | RST38h | No, they don't really feel pressed... |
| 10:38.20 | aquatix | RST38h: i don't use pidgin |
| 10:38.27 | Meiz_n810 | In my n810 ther _really_ feel |
| 10:38.48 | Meiz_n810 | My n810 is made at 2005 :P |
| 10:39.10 | aquatix | lunch! |
| 10:39.12 | aquatix | bbl |
| 10:39.27 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: I don't have a n810 so :P |
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| 10:39.58 | Stskeeps | RST38h: and regarding surface.. screen protector should be a requirement :P mine is great so far :P |
| 10:40.21 | RST38h | Sts: Yea, I am also using screen protector |
| 10:40.51 | RST38h | But I think they should remove this requirement :) |
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| 10:41.08 | Stskeeps | i dunno.. a proper screen protector solves a lot of the problems |
| 10:41.23 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i can't upgrade matchbox-w-m: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute old pre-removal script: Exec format error |
| 10:41.34 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: ok, that might be because you're upgrading |
| 10:41.40 | Stskeeps | and it's a totally different branch |
| 10:41.54 | RST38h | Sts: Well, HTC Diamond and its friends do not require screen protectors |
| 10:41.56 | RST38h | Why should we? |
| 10:42.01 | Meiz_n810 | i have tried to remove it, then install new one, removing is the problem... |
| 10:42.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, cos of some oddity in old package stuff :P |
| 10:42.25 | Meiz_n810 | k |
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| 10:45.02 | AStorm | RST38h, does it have a glare screen? |
| 10:45.17 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: can you make a tar.gz of the new installer? :P |
| 10:45.18 | AStorm | or a more rugged like those other gps? |
| 10:45.26 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: there's no new installer yet :P |
| 10:45.36 | AStorm | also, its screen is lower resolution |
| 10:45.39 | Stskeeps | havent touched it yet |
| 10:45.43 | Stskeeps | going to play more with it today |
| 10:45.47 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: ok |
| 10:46.11 | RST38h | AStorm: I did not notice much glare |
| 10:46.16 | RST38h | But then I did not look closely |
| 10:46.28 | AStorm | i meant... not matt |
| 10:46.35 | AStorm | :> |
| 10:47.15 | AStorm | the most vulnerable part is the anti-glare coating |
| 10:47.43 | RST38h | From what I have seen, the Diamond has the same plastic for its face as for the rest of its body |
| 10:47.52 | AStorm | hmm |
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| 10:48.12 | AStorm | thick protective coating eats light... |
| 10:48.48 | AStorm | although, good enough transparent plastic shouldn't reduce efficiency so much |
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| 10:52.44 | pupnik | re HTC Diamond, commenter "baxter" says that the ui snazz on windows mobile is "lipstick on a pig" |
| 10:52.57 | pupnik | :) |
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| 10:53.14 | AStorm | exactly |
| 10:53.31 | AStorm | but the device is a nice design |
| 10:54.06 | RST38h | pupnik: it would be a nice device if not for Windows Mobile |
| 10:56.06 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gZn7TXtrdY ok i want one of these synths |
| 10:57.07 | pupnik | http://www.miniorgan.com/lib/view.php?miniorgan=51&srch=&srch_type=&sortby=&output= my first sampling keyboard |
| 10:57.09 | pupnik | sorry, offtopic again |
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| 10:57.50 | AStorm | pupnik, this is *old* :P |
| 10:57.56 | AStorm | and horrible |
| 10:58.00 | pupnik | it's awesome! |
| 10:58.07 | AStorm | has one of these a long-long time ago |
| 10:58.11 | pupnik | so bad, it's good! |
| 10:58.20 | AStorm | no, horrible |
| 10:58.24 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 10:58.39 | AStorm | sid is better |
| 10:58.41 | pupnik | the VSS-30 was actually pretty kickass - got stolen |
| 10:58.47 | pupnik | ah yes sid... |
| 10:58.50 | pupnik | forbidden forest theme |
| 10:59.06 | AStorm | heck, my old SB pro opl-3 synth was better |
| 10:59.35 | AStorm | again, I could build a better synth too :P |
| 11:00.55 | AStorm | that given my meagre time and resources |
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| 11:03.35 | pupnik | mmm dual-cpu heath/zenith z-100 for sale http://ln-s.net/2YZR |
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| 11:33.55 | lardman | morning |
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| 11:35.45 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 12:03.58 | lardman | Stskeeps: how's Fremantle assimilation going? |
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| 12:10.36 | cyberholic | Buenos Dias and HI everyone! oh jesus how i have been missing this chat! Hi General! Long time no seeee! |
| 12:10.59 | aquatix | Khertan2: you here? |
| 12:11.15 | cyberholic | aqua... there are two of them in here. |
| 12:11.24 | aquatix | yeah, noticed |
| 12:11.28 | aquatix | Khertan_WebIrc5: you here? :) |
| 12:11.32 | cyberholic | :) |
| 12:11.44 | StsN800 | Meiz_n810, i think mer installer as you have it should work now |
| 12:12.05 | cyberholic | Aqua, you know the name of the latest NOKIA model? that one they popped out a few days ago.... |
| 12:12.06 | StsN800 | when installing |
| 12:12.20 | aquatix | cyberholic: the N97? |
| 12:12.22 | cyberholic | does anyone know that name? |
| 12:12.26 | cyberholic | thanks a lot! |
| 12:12.34 | aquatix | wants |
| 12:12.35 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:12.38 | cyberholic | ah, nah. not that. |
| 12:13.05 | cyberholic | there is an other one. on the other hand i would like to know if the n97 support the flash plugin. |
| 12:13.45 | cyberholic | wait. sorry. my fault. you are right... its that! |
| 12:14.00 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:14.21 | cyberholic | oh.... i just read that even the G1 supports Flash.... interesting! Anyone owns that? |
| 12:15.54 | pancake | cyberholic: supports flash via SD |
| 12:18.48 | pancake | but you need to sign the image before |
| 12:19.06 | pancake | so you have to hack replace the android signatures first and you need root for this |
| 12:19.28 | lardman | solca: ping |
| 12:19.32 | StsN800 | lo pancake, great job on 0xffff |
| 12:20.05 | lardman | wonders if there's a mailing list for Mer, or just Jaiku? |
| 12:20.35 | StsN800 | jaiku - experiment |
| 12:20.47 | cyberholic | oh sorry. my fault... hihi... was talking about ADOBE FLASH plugin :) |
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| 12:21.35 | StsN800 | lardman, its easier to be kept updated/update with microblogging so |
| 12:22.42 | lardman | yeah, I was thinking more about structure of the system |
| 12:22.47 | lardman | thinking about DSME actually |
| 12:22.51 | StsN800 | but we'll have a bootstrap meeting to get things going |
| 12:23.08 | pancake | cyberholic: lol :) |
| 12:23.12 | StsN800 | mm, seems like ohm will replace |
| 12:23.54 | lardman | unfortunate choice of name |
| 12:24.30 | StsN800 | ohm, the media framework? ;) |
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| 12:24.42 | lardman | no just difficult to search for ohm :) |
| 12:24.53 | lardman | what was that new media framework called? |
| 12:24.59 | solca | lardman: pong |
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| 12:25.06 | cyberholic | png???? |
| 12:25.13 | cyberholic | pong i mean? |
| 12:25.14 | lardman | hey solca, give me a min or two |
| 12:25.19 | solca | lardman: ok |
| 12:25.50 | cyberholic | That just like the FLASH thing. You seek Flash and mean flashing the OS and not the adobe plugin. You search for PONG as system and find 3 decade old games :( |
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| 12:26.17 | lardman | http://www.slideshare.net/ensonic/maemo-multimedia-framework-presentation that one, what was it called? |
| 12:26.35 | StsN800 | its on garage i think |
| 12:27.01 | StsN800 | ohm=open hardware manager |
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| 12:27.37 | lardman | yeah I know that, just trying to remember what the media framework was called |
| 12:27.39 | cyberholic | sts: shouldnt it be more correct english to say.... its IN the garag... lol ;) |
| 12:27.49 | lardman | and I was sat there, will have to dig out my notes from the talk :) |
| 12:28.03 | lardman | cyberholic: yes, but not in this context |
| 12:28.12 | lardman | ah, MIDAS |
| 12:28.12 | cyberholic | i know, i was just kidding :) |
| 12:28.42 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/midas/ |
| 12:30.35 | lardman | aargh, can't message |
| 12:30.42 | lardman | bbiam, bloody irc client |
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| 12:41.16 | RST38h | MaemoSDK+ RC1 is out |
| 12:41.51 | StsN800 | woo |
| 12:42.21 | AStorm | yay |
| 12:42.24 | AStorm | how large? |
| 12:42.32 | AStorm | (and does it work OOTB) |
| 12:43.03 | cyberholic | you certainly will need some hope for it to work OOTB |
| 12:44.17 | RST38h | Well, the last beta worked |
| 12:44.25 | StsN800 | lardman, wrt dsme the discussion is also wether or not to have initfs |
| 12:44.29 | RST38h | So I expect tehe rc1 to work as well |
| 12:45.06 | lardman | StsN800: yeah, I was just wondering what the current thoughts were |
| 12:45.26 | lardman | StsN800: would it be worth having a mailing list for this, so people can comment, etc,? |
| 12:45.26 | StsN800 | and what place dsm like daemon has in ohm world |
| 12:46.03 | StsN800 | yeah.. we will have it when we decide on overall structure |
| 12:46.03 | RST38h | Ford is seeking to sell Volvo to a Changan Automobile Company (China) |
| 12:46.16 | RST38h | Here go your Volvos =) |
| 12:46.23 | StsN800 | bsd.tspre.org? |
| 12:46.26 | StsN800 | er |
| 12:47.21 | StsN800 | bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer.txt is a very raw project structure sketch, lardman |
| 12:48.13 | lardman | thanks |
| 12:48.24 | lardman | do you have a link to the hal plugin for battery stuff? |
| 12:49.30 | StsN800 | well some misunderstood what i said.. hald-addon-bme is downloadable on the model-locked updates repo |
| 12:49.52 | lardman | ah I see |
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| 12:50.01 | lardman | that's fine |
| 12:50.06 | StsN800 | bme |
| 12:50.11 | StsN800 | isnt yet |
| 12:50.16 | lardman | yeah I know |
| 12:50.19 | lardman | nor will it be |
| 12:50.33 | lardman | ah, downloadable you mean? |
| 12:50.38 | StsN800 | yeah |
| 12:50.39 | lardman | well it's on device anyway |
| 12:50.59 | StsN800 | it might eventually be redistributable |
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| 12:51.10 | lardman | indeed I'm sure it will be |
| 12:51.20 | StsN800 | but its up to us to figure whats needed |
| 12:51.25 | lardman | yep |
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| 12:54.58 | StsN800 | i'm personally for initfs, with a simple dsm daemon. with kexec/bootmenu and reboot loop prevention |
| 12:55.11 | StsN800 | and rescue possibilities |
| 12:55.36 | lardman | yes |
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| 12:56.16 | lardman | presumably using kexec to boot a different kernel to the one in the initfs? |
| 12:56.45 | StsN800 | yeah, solcas looking at that |
| 12:57.39 | StsN800 | and suceeded already |
| 12:58.19 | lardman | :) |
| 12:58.46 | StsN800 | booting diablo kernel with 2.6.28 |
| 12:58.46 | lardman | I'll have to learn about the debuildroot stuff and get setup |
| 12:58.52 | lardman | cool :) |
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| 13:04.01 | StsN800 | right now its really just devel on i386 and send compile on armel builder |
| 13:04.33 | lardman | yeah, well Debian building is still pretty odd for me |
| 13:04.48 | lardman | single packages are ok, builders I'll need to work out how to setup, etc,. |
| 13:04.51 | StsN800 | sb2 sdk should be in reach too |
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| 13:06.24 | StsN800 | my builder setup is largely self built atm:P |
| 13:06.40 | lardman | :) |
| 13:07.01 | lardman | I'm used to using bitbake, so I don't need to know the detauils |
| 13:07.15 | StsN800 | hehe |
| 13:07.19 | lardman | which is good if that's not what you're interested in |
| 13:07.34 | lardman | otherwise it's just annoying needing to learn something new to get started with what you actuallty want to do |
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| 13:35.04 | AStorm | meh |
| 13:35.10 | lcuk | lardman|lunch, this whole year has felt like that.. |
| 13:35.23 | lcuk | AStorm, its not that bad |
| 13:35.25 | AStorm | iPhone does a stujpid thing with ground :p |
| 13:35.37 | lcuk | bounces? |
| 13:35.53 | AStorm | now. having "iPhone compat" headphones... |
| 13:36.13 | AStorm | they friggin work with n810 only when the "talk" button is on |
| 13:36.37 | AStorm | or I don't push them all the way in |
| 13:36.46 | lcuk | well... now my nokia supplied headphones are similar |
| 13:36.57 | AStorm | similar plug |
| 13:37.12 | lcuk | ive only used them once, but it would be mainly mono but with a low sound in one ear |
| 13:37.19 | lcuk | UNLESS i pressed the talk button |
| 13:37.23 | RST38h | uses BT headphones |
| 13:37.29 | AStorm | thanks to 3rd channel? |
| 13:37.41 | AStorm | it's ficable |
| 13:37.51 | lcuk | yeah thats what i put it down to, ive not watched anything on it since |
| 13:38.02 | AStorm | by connecting the ground correctly *in the device* |
| 13:38.04 | lcuk | not worth hassle |
| 13:38.31 | AStorm | nah |
| 13:38.45 | AStorm | I could hardcode the talk to always on |
| 13:38.55 | AStorm | but I don't want to chop them down... |
| 13:39.21 | AStorm | it's a stupid gumstick style button |
| 13:39.23 | AStorm | :> |
| 13:39.57 | AStorm | they did it wrong by leaving the ground flying instead of connecting two proper large resistors |
| 13:40.22 | lcuk | dunno, has this been confirmed |
| 13:40.32 | AStorm | I mean, not nokia |
| 13:40.36 | RST38h | "A video of a burning fire is now available as a premium application for the iPhone, but it remains to be seen if even iPhone users are stupid enough to pay $2 to listen to advertisements for Christmas albums." |
| 13:40.45 | AStorm | the headphones |
| 13:41.11 | RST38h | iPhone users appear to be the ideal consumers. You can sell just about ANYTHING to them |
| 13:41.31 | AStorm | there's a cheap workaround though |
| 13:41.45 | AStorm | connect through a proper grounded converter |
| 13:41.48 | lcuk | if people are willing to give money for things do not grumble, merely hold your hand out and smile sweetly |
| 13:41.57 | AStorm | with a large resistor as flying ground |
| 13:42.17 | AStorm | it's nokia's fault too |
| 13:42.30 | RST38h | lcuk: Indeed. |
| 13:42.37 | AStorm | relying on ground, when it's meant to be fourth channel |
| 13:42.54 | AStorm | *third |
| 13:43.16 | AStorm | btw, there's an almost suitable attenuator in pack |
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| 13:49.25 | AStorm | I was wrong |
| 13:49.30 | AStorm | 100% nokia fault |
| 13:50.13 | AStorm | the ground pin is too close to the top of hole |
| 13:50.51 | AStorm | so makes contact with 3rd channel instead of ground if I push the plug in |
| 13:51.04 | AStorm | gah |
| 13:51.06 | AStorm | will mod the device |
| 13:52.23 | AStorm | or indeed, iPhone uses some idiot method of signalling |
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| 13:52.51 | RST38h | it uses a somewhat non-standard plug |
| 13:53.39 | AStorm | nah, normal 3channel plug |
| 13:53.58 | AStorm | same Nokia uses for the stock n810 phones |
| 13:54.29 | AStorm | except I think some kind of signalling uses ground |
| 13:54.53 | AStorm | connected/disconnected |
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| 13:55.49 | AStorm | meh |
| 13:55.59 | AStorm | time to build an adapter I guess |
| 13:56.27 | AStorm | what's funny is that n810 works well with a fully disconnected ground |
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| 14:00.02 | AStorm | I'll check exactly what happens later |
| 14:00.13 | AStorm | when I get to my proper lab tools |
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| 14:31.51 | lardman|home | any Debian gurus about? |
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| 14:37.57 | lardman|home | how ca I override the default CFLAGS in a debian build? |
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| 14:38.17 | trenka | lardman|home: vim debian/rules |
| 14:38.26 | lardman|home | have done that, no effect |
| 14:38.41 | lardman|home | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m53ea5962 is my modified one |
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| 14:38.57 | lardman|home | I added in the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS stuff |
| 14:39.52 | trenka | hates cdbs |
| 14:39.55 | disco_stu | lardman|home: what do you want to compile ? |
| 14:40.06 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is h-i-m working ? |
| 14:40.12 | lardman|home | I wonder where these are being set? http://maemo.pastebin.com/m7f055d9a |
| 14:40.19 | lardman|home | disco_stu: Qalculate |
| 14:40.32 | disco_stu | lardman|home: does it have a makefile ? |
| 14:40.36 | lardman|home | yes |
| 14:40.47 | disco_stu | well specify cflags on it |
| 14:41.01 | lardman|home | but I had hoped to patch rules and let it propogate - see the way configure is called in the pastebin above |
| 14:41.26 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: didn't try it yet |
| 14:42.02 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: but hildon-desktop should work with new matchbox-w-m ? |
| 14:42.11 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, we should use the old matchbox wm for now |
| 14:42.16 | Stskeeps | the new one requires clutter i think |
| 14:42.25 | Stskeeps | im going to bootstrap myself now too |
| 14:42.34 | Meiz_n810 | hmm.. |
| 14:42.41 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 14:42.45 | Stskeeps | it -should- work with old wm |
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| 14:43.04 | lardman|home | disco_stu: so I was really wondering what's calling configure, and where it gets its options from. Any ideas? |
| 14:43.41 | Stskeeps | lardman|home: checked debian/rules? |
| 14:43.51 | lardman|home | yeah the pastebin a bit further up |
| 14:43.55 | disco_stu | lardman|home: no idea |
| 14:44.10 | Stskeeps | lardman|home: if you want extra CFLAGS; just export CFLAGS= |
| 14:44.14 | lardman|home | unless the global rules default to those settings |
| 14:44.21 | lardman|home | Stskeeps: doesn't seem to work |
| 14:44.24 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 14:44.28 | lardman|home | though I left a gap |
| 14:45.07 | lardman|home | nope, my CFLAGS are overridden when configure is called anyway |
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| 14:47.32 | lardman|home | seems pretty bad form to patch configure to specify CFLAGS |
| 14:47.42 | lardman|home | as the Makefile will just be regenerated I guess |
| 14:49.27 | lardman|home | yeah, configure re-generates the Makefile so no luck there |
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| 14:56.41 | lardman|home | hmm, had to patch configure.in in the end, feels a bit hacky though |
| 14:56.50 | lardman|home | bbiab |
| 14:58.46 | b1ackdeath | is it posible to make the main menu icon's smaller as well as the text so you can see more of your app's, with out using personal menu? |
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| 15:03.57 | yerga | Just installed a Mer chroot in the desktop, but how could I test it in a device? ;) |
| 15:04.19 | Stskeeps | i'm testing if the current mer imager works on my n8x0 |
| 15:04.25 | Stskeeps | with the updated libhildon |
| 15:04.27 | Stskeeps | patience for a bit :) |
| 15:04.33 | AStorm | b1ackdeath, sure, if you resize all the icons |
| 15:04.41 | AStorm | or remove the large ones |
| 15:04.58 | GeneralAntilles | b1ackdeath, not without recompiling |
| 15:05.08 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, wrong :P |
| 15:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | The entry numbers are hard-coded. |
| 15:05.14 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i re-installed today. worked okay. |
| 15:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, the application menu? |
| 15:05.24 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: alright :) |
| 15:05.29 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: "okay" as it boots? :P |
| 15:05.33 | GeneralAntilles | Plenty of applications use smaller icons, it doesn't change the line height. |
| 15:05.43 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, I said you get to resize 64x64 icons |
| 15:05.45 | AStorm | yup, doesn't |
| 15:05.47 | AStorm | :) |
| 15:06.04 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: installing was okay, i'll boot when i have installed some stuff |
| 15:06.10 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, I'd like to see a screenshot of this. |
| 15:06.41 | AStorm | I a longer while |
| 15:07.01 | AStorm | now I'm testing/abusing my new ue super.fi 4vi |
| 15:07.10 | b1ackdeath | so if you resize the icons its not going to change the size of the menu spacing? |
| 15:07.22 | AStorm | no, it won't |
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| 15:07.38 | Stskeeps | oh boy, penguinbait is pissy over the pandora |
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| 15:07.59 | Stskeeps | and the fun fact exchange rate has jumped heavily |
| 15:08.04 | AStorm | harhar |
| 15:08.06 | b1ackdeath | haha pandora looks really kool tho |
| 15:08.21 | AStorm | b1ackdeath, vaporware sure looks cool |
| 15:08.27 | AStorm | it's 100% water |
| 15:10.27 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: hildon-desktop crashes early with the latest packages (matchbox) |
| 15:10.38 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: hmm. |
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| 15:12.33 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i'll try to install it but i'm doing an HCI assignment today so a bit busy :P finals coming up for this semester so |
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| 15:12.59 | b1ackdeath | so about then menu i will need to recompile it, to make it smaller? |
| 15:13.12 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i am now playing with solcas android, take your time :P |
| 15:14.29 | disco_stu | someone knows how to avoid matchbox restarting ? |
| 15:14.45 | AStorm | disco_stu, check the init script |
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| 15:15.03 | AStorm | it is being restarted by the kicker/dsme |
| 15:15.58 | b1ackdeath | sorry lost my cell connection, but the menu, yes or no on needing to recompile |
| 15:16.27 | AStorm | yes |
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| 15:17.18 | b1ackdeath | ok, thanks astorm for the info |
| 15:18.30 | Meizirkki | Finally! working wifi in new android! |
| 15:18.34 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 15:18.38 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 15:18.57 | lardman | re |
| 15:19.02 | RST38h | You mean, WiFi never worked in Android? |
| 15:19.17 | Meizirkki | solca got it working earlier |
| 15:19.31 | Meizirkki | but this is first time it works with my tablet |
| 15:19.36 | RST38h | ah |
| 15:19.43 | disco_stu | well im running openbox now, but i can use the menu to launch aps |
| 15:19.45 | Stskeeps | still crashes? |
| 15:20.00 | Stskeeps | (meiz) |
| 15:20.08 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: yes :( |
| 15:20.40 | AStorm | disco_stu, menu is hildon-something |
| 15:20.43 | AStorm | afaicr |
| 15:24.32 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: but it does not happen as often as it happened before |
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| 15:41.14 | Stskeeps | watches Mer install |
| 15:43.37 | lardman | watches the watching :) |
| 15:43.53 | RST38h | watches over all of you cackling evilly |
| 15:44.00 | qwerty12 | watches lardman who is watching stskeeps installing mer |
| 15:44.15 | qwerty12 | barges RST38h out of the way |
| 15:47.00 | AStorm | is the big brother |
| 15:47.00 | AStorm | I watch you all |
| 15:47.27 | qwerty12 | reports AStorm |
| 15:48.01 | AStorm | to me? |
| 15:48.15 | qwerty12 | You choose :P |
| 15:52.57 | Stskeeps | ponders if it would be an excellent fraud to announce big open source hw thing and then just systematically trick people out of the money.. |
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| 15:53.11 | qwerty12 | pandora? :D |
| 15:53.22 | suihkulokki | watches OOo build for the 5th day |
| 15:53.53 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i was wondering a tad.. |
| 15:54.09 | RST38h | Sts: Doing it with software is better |
| 15:54.32 | RST38h | Sts: It takes less expense to just put together a piece of crappy software and tell everyone that "this is IT" |
| 15:54.33 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, but people pre-order hw, you usually don't with sw |
| 15:55.14 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: you'd have to use something else than credit cards to rip the people off |
| 15:55.38 | Stskeeps | .. bank transfers? :P |
| 15:56.16 | suihkulokki | and convining people to preorder with something else than credit card is tricky :P |
| 15:56.59 | AStorm | even money transfers are hard |
| 15:57.04 | AStorm | too easy to trace |
| 15:57.11 | Stskeeps | yeah, western union would be better, with mules :P |
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| 15:57.26 | suihkulokki | and noone would be suspicous |
| 15:57.41 | AStorm | western ripoff? nobody sane uses that |
| 15:57.46 | AStorm | try paypal :P |
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| 15:58.22 | Stskeeps | AStorm: you'd be surprised how many people get ripped off through that.. |
| 15:58.34 | AStorm | code id10t |
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| 15:59.40 | qwerty12 | whee, Kismet takes the life out of your N800. I was running it for 17 hours, connected to the charger, just took it off and battery is at 55% |
| 16:01.09 | qwerty12 | Fanoush's latest thread is interesting |
| 16:01.17 | Stskeeps | which one? |
| 16:01.23 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=248126#post248126 |
| 16:02.42 | Stskeeps | yeah, we were wandering through it last night |
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| 16:07.56 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: so far it didn't crash for me (hildon), but i think we need to use m-b-2 |
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| 16:12.52 | cyberholic | hi everyone. me again. i just developed the first "photoframe" mojo on mojocafe.net - it snatches the photos from flickr.com so the question is: what kind of photo terms would you like to see on your device while acting like a photoframe? |
| 16:13.19 | Stskeeps | pornography, ideally |
| 16:13.27 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:13.37 | ciroip | cyberholic: pr0n? |
| 16:13.38 | Stskeeps | .. but i would preferably like to be able to adjust it to my own settings |
| 16:13.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:14.06 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, does the fremantle hildon-desktop have the ability to lock applets? |
| 16:14.25 | cyberholic | ciropip: lol... |
| 16:14.53 | cyberholic | sts: i will make such a mojo tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. you can then enter or a word or an user id |
| 16:15.11 | qwerty12 | cyberholic, can I request a "drug of the day" mojo? :P |
| 16:15.45 | ciroip | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.12 | cyberholic | qwerty: sure! more the wikipedia style or do you want to have a strobo effect that changes your brain? lol |
| 16:16.32 | qwerty12 | strobo effect please! :D |
| 16:16.43 | cyberholic | ciroip: as a slideshow? aint that tooo boring? |
| 16:16.56 | ciroip | sure is boring |
| 16:17.00 | ciroip | for normal people |
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| 16:17.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'm not sure |
| 16:17.14 | qwerty12 | ok |
| 16:17.15 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i dont have any applets right now.. |
| 16:17.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:17.21 | ciroip | u probably dont know a lot of wow players :) |
| 16:17.21 | cyberholic | ciroip: lol. for the first time in my life i have entered "pron" in flickr..... never guess what you will see ;) |
| 16:17.30 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe, hello world applet. NOW! :P |
| 16:17.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: building mbwm-2 atm |
| 16:17.48 | Stskeeps | clutter |
| 16:17.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:17.56 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:17.57 | Stskeeps | i wonder if it's built for armel.. |
| 16:17.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:18.57 | ciroip | http://www.figureprints.com/Gallery.aspx |
| 16:19.14 | qwerty12 | wtf, people buy this?! |
| 16:19.23 | ciroip | I told you |
| 16:19.45 | ciroip | that feature alone can convince people to buy a nokia tablet :) |
| 16:19.52 | ciroip | wow player are RICH and bored |
| 16:19.55 | ciroip | s |
| 16:20.03 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 16:20.11 | ciroip | and they are millions |
| 16:21.59 | glass_ | yeah and stupid, otherwise they'd notice that they' |
| 16:22.03 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: what's m-b-2 (matchbox-2?) |
| 16:22.04 | glass_ | 're bored of the game |
| 16:22.11 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah |
| 16:22.13 | Meizirkki | k |
| 16:22.16 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: but i dont think it'll compile |
| 16:22.19 | Stskeeps | on armel just now |
| 16:23.58 | AStorm | Stskeeps, build us e17 |
| 16:24.00 | AStorm | :) |
| 16:24.38 | qwerty12 | lardman, how did gmp go? |
| 16:26.59 | lardman | qwerty12: complied ok |
| 16:27.08 | lardman | qwerty12: with fix from that buf |
| 16:27.10 | lardman | bug |
| 16:27.12 | qwerty12 | cool |
| 16:27.21 | lardman | am compiling Qalculate atm, at home |
| 16:27.40 | qwerty12 | gtk version? :) |
| 16:27.56 | lardman | lib atm, then gtk version when I get back and start it |
| 16:28.01 | lardman | all with vfp enabled |
| 16:28.06 | qwerty12 | nice, nice |
| 16:28.20 | lardman | has taken a while as I've been compiling giac deps at the same time |
| 16:28.21 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: can you be coerced into a md5sum package? :P |
| 16:28.25 | qwerty12 | enables vfp on everything now, blindly. I'm a bad person. |
| 16:28.30 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, busy atm :/ |
| 16:28.32 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 16:28.39 | qwerty12 | doesn't debian have one? |
| 16:28.51 | qwerty12 | s/debian/ubuntu or whatever |
| 16:28.56 | Stskeeps | part of coreutils i think |
| 16:29.09 | Stskeeps | which dialog mode is it that makes them movable? |
| 16:29.15 | Stskeeps | in mb |
| 16:29.20 | qwerty12 | free |
| 16:29.54 | AStorm | qwerty12, it should work |
| 16:30.02 | AStorm | nicer and faster |
| 16:30.04 | qwerty12 | turning off supermodal too is nice |
| 16:30.14 | AStorm | but not than arm optimized assemblay |
| 16:30.14 | qwerty12 | AStorm, yeah, that's why I do it, in the hope :) |
| 16:30.21 | qwerty12 | yep |
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| 16:34.23 | Stskeeps | E: Build-Depends dependency for matchbox-window-manager-2 cannot be satisfied because the package libclutter-0.8-dev cannot be found |
| 16:34.26 | Stskeeps | damnit |
| 16:34.39 | qwerty12 | ooh la la |
| 16:35.40 | Stskeeps | isnt sure libhildon is for the old matchbox |
| 16:36.03 | AStorm | libhildon is wm-neutral |
| 16:36.05 | AStorm | afaicr |
| 16:36.19 | Stskeeps | mm. |
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| 16:52.32 | Stskeeps | curious question, qwerty12, in diablo, are the dialogs movable on the window contents with touch? |
| 16:52.41 | Stskeeps | with the movable dialogs thing |
| 16:52.49 | Stskeeps | not the title bar |
| 16:53.35 | qwerty12 | I can move a window by dragging from the area next to the ok & cancel buttons in hildon-desktop's select applets window |
| 16:53.46 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 16:54.10 | Proteous | cancel |
| 16:54.13 | qwerty12 | heh |
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| 17:04.23 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: how exactly does your hildon crash? |
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| 17:24.49 | Meiz_n810 | Web browsing in android: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7232749278972911905 |
| 17:25.16 | Stskeeps | again, what's with the zoom.. |
| 17:25.56 | Stskeeps | is quite considering the thought Meizirkki is a robot. |
| 17:26.00 | Meiz_n810 | it works pretty good |
| 17:26.05 | Meiz_n810 | (zoom) |
| 17:27.28 | Stskeeps | looks alright |
| 17:27.45 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: the camera is mounted in stand (or whatever) |
| 17:27.48 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 17:29.43 | Stskeeps | i'm just glad to see the versatile nature of the devices :) |
| 17:29.58 | Stskeeps | but is android something you'd use on a daily basis if it was stable? |
| 17:30.10 | Meiz_n810 | maybe not |
| 17:30.23 | Meiz_n810 | multiboot? yes :P |
| 17:30.50 | Meiz_n810 | itT is pretty heavy page... i should have used something else to show scrolling. |
| 17:31.41 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: My daily basics are something that can not be done in android :P |
| 17:31.46 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 17:33.17 | Stskeeps | notes to himself mr. scruff is ideal to listen to when doing HCI excersises. |
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| 17:35.29 | zs | hi what devices will be maemo 5 for? |
| 17:35.56 | Stskeeps | the next nokia device only, but backport effects of base packages is in progress. |
| 17:36.00 | Stskeeps | efforts |
| 17:36.03 | Stskeeps | by community |
| 17:36.14 | Stskeeps | and nokia is showing a good attitude towards helping out |
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| 17:36.35 | zs | ok but is there any information about next devices somewhere? |
| 17:37.20 | Stskeeps | not yet |
| 17:37.22 | Stskeeps | there's hints laying about |
| 17:37.25 | Stskeeps | it will have 3g data though |
| 17:37.28 | Stskeeps | and omap3 |
| 17:37.44 | zs | nice |
| 17:43.12 | Meiz_n810 | is still unable to get hildon-desktop start in Mer :( |
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| 17:44.47 | t_s_o | hmm, is there a chance to try out mer without having to flash a device, or dedicate a SD card to the task? |
| 17:45.07 | AStorm | yes, use immc? |
| 17:45.58 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: initfs flashing is needed (bootmenu), but i haven't made mer-in-a-file yet |
| 17:46.08 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: weird, mine worked fine |
| 17:46.13 | Meiz_n810 | t_s_o: try it on your computer? :P |
| 17:46.27 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i'll try to run it as a user |
| 17:46.30 | disco_stu | Stskeeps: could you paste your bootmenu.conf in a pastebin ? |
| 17:46.38 | Stskeeps | disco_stu: i use my bootmenu item system |
| 17:46.46 | disco_stu | right.. |
| 17:46.57 | Stskeeps | so what are you asking for then? ;) |
| 17:47.03 | Stskeeps | bootmenu.conf is a script in that, so :P |
| 17:47.11 | disco_stu | i have a problem setting a menu item for flash |
| 17:48.00 | t_s_o | immc? |
| 17:48.04 | Stskeeps | internal mmc |
| 17:48.12 | disco_stu | jffs |
| 17:48.12 | Stskeeps | and you don't need to dedicate a mmc, just a partitio |
| 17:48.13 | Stskeeps | n |
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| 17:49.01 | Meizirkki | disco_stu: you don't need to make .item for internal-flash |
| 17:49.23 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: i'll do a proper writeup to get the alpha in people's hands .. but for now i have a HCI excersise to focus on :P |
| 17:49.35 | Stskeeps | which i just want over with |
| 17:49.37 | disco_stu | Meizirkki: i am not using the item system |
| 17:49.47 | Meizirkki | k |
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| 17:49.54 | disco_stu | Meizirkki: im editing bootmenu.conf manually |
| 17:50.00 | t_s_o | Stskeeps: i own one of those "pesky" N800's ;) |
| 17:50.17 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: .. internal and external SD :P |
| 17:50.19 | Stskeeps | i have a n800 too |
| 17:50.26 | t_s_o | hehe |
| 17:50.56 | t_s_o | meh, maybe ill order myself a extra SD, just to have the main system cloned onto for emergencies... |
| 17:52.00 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it really wonders me your hildon fails to start - i just did an imager and it boots fine |
| 17:52.27 | Meizirkki | Maybe my fault... i made font size modifications into gtkrc |
| 17:52.31 | Stskeeps | that's possible |
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| 17:52.54 | andrewfblack | Hey guys |
| 17:53.25 | Meizirkki | hi |
| 17:53.26 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: now it just shows me left panel with nothing in it, and everything else it white |
| 17:53.38 | Stskeeps | ok.. might be because of gtkrc problem |
| 17:54.46 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/imager/files if you want to have a look around |
| 17:54.57 | disco_stu | after clonning my os , when hildon starts i hear a guy talking |
| 17:55.02 | disco_stu | wtf ? |
| 17:55.06 | Stskeeps | disco_stu: blame penguinbait |
| 17:55.17 | disco_stu | how do i remove it ? |
| 17:55.25 | Meizirkki | disco_stu: http://pastebin.com/m25db576c |
| 17:55.31 | Meizirkki | my bootmenu.conf |
| 17:55.38 | disco_stu | Meizirkki: thanks |
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| 17:55.54 | Meizirkki | disco_stu: linus tolwards :P |
| 17:56.03 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i assume that's my bootmenu, just without loading the .items :P |
| 17:56.18 | Meizirkki | yep |
| 17:56.26 | disco_stu | i dont want to hear that |
| 17:56.32 | Meizirkki | i have had a lot of problems with .item files |
| 17:56.42 | Stskeeps | fair enough, since you reflash so much |
| 17:56.49 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 17:57.41 | Stskeeps | commits the mer-d945glclf2-fs-only target (no X yet in it) |
| 17:57.51 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: even if i flash android kernel every day, i can just flash back the diablo:s kernel, it does not override diablo or even bootmenu :) |
| 17:57.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, true |
| 17:58.01 | disco_stu | Stskeeps: do you know how to avoid the sound ? |
| 17:58.14 | Stskeeps | disco_stu: i suspect torturing penguinbait would do the trick |
| 17:58.34 | Meizirkki | disco_stu: delete the sound file :P |
| 17:59.00 | disco_stu | dont know where it is |
| 17:59.07 | lcuk | use extreme earbuds |
| 17:59.16 | lcuk | 2foot long with a metal tip |
| 17:59.54 | Meizirkki | disco_stu: it's in /isr/share/sounds i guess |
| 18:00.05 | Meizirkki | no |
| 18:00.08 | Meizirkki | it's not |
| 18:00.24 | Meizirkki | it was somewhere around root:s home directory |
| 18:02.22 | disco_stu | what he did is a windows type of shit |
| 18:02.52 | Meizirkki | penguinbait or linus ? |
| 18:03.06 | disco_stu | penguinbat.. putting that stupid sound |
| 18:03.31 | Meizirkki | did you find the file? |
| 18:03.43 | disco_stu | not yet |
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| 18:04.56 | disco_stu | /root/.linux |
| 18:04.59 | disco_stu | /root/.linus |
| 18:05.00 | Meizirkki | k |
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| 18:05.13 | disco_stu | 900k |
| 18:05.35 | disco_stu | the fucking wav |
| 18:06.33 | Meizirkki | pretty big... |
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| 18:11.19 | netvandal | hi all |
| 18:11.29 | Meizirkki | hi |
| 18:12.03 | netvandal | i've a small problem with my n810.. can i ask here? |
| 18:12.19 | Meizirkki | of course |
| 18:12.22 | netvandal | :) |
| 18:13.13 | netvandal | my device had keyboard freeze after some idle time, and then, it reboot |
| 18:13.31 | netvandal | i checked the Rebootingissue on the wiki |
| 18:13.44 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i uninstalled plankton-theme, remover /usr/share/themes/plankton/, installed plankton back and hildon still won't start :( |
| 18:13.59 | netvandal | a sw_rst |
| 18:14.10 | Meizirkki | netvandal: have you checked itT? |
| 18:14.18 | Meizirkki | (internettablettalk.com) |
| 18:14.35 | netvandal | i've read of someone with similar issue |
| 18:14.43 | netvandal | but cannot find solution |
| 18:14.58 | netvandal | the only strange thing that i've found is in dmesg |
| 18:15.04 | netvandal | [ 52.140625] JFFS2 notice: (424) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0b7f030c: read 0x9a463a63, calculated 0xbeeb5144. |
| 18:15.16 | netvandal | but i'm not sure that is the problem |
| 18:15.42 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: rm -rf .osso? |
| 18:15.48 | Stskeeps | in user library |
| 18:16.01 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i'll try |
| 18:17.02 | Stskeeps | er |
| 18:17.10 | Stskeeps | user home directory, or /root |
| 18:17.46 | Meizirkki | i'm gonna start hildon as user so i removed .osso in user home |
| 18:17.53 | netvandal | i'm the only one with that message in dmesg? it could be a device issue? |
| 18:18.36 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: not working :( |
| 18:18.48 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: reinstall and dont touch it at first, then start tinkering :P |
| 18:19.15 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: if the imager has updates, can you pack me a tar.gz? :P |
| 18:20.47 | Stskeeps | get http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/bzr_1.10~rc1-1_armel.modfied.deb , take the files in http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/ and put in /usr/lib/python2.5 |
| 18:20.55 | Stskeeps | er, bzr/libz.tar.gz |
| 18:21.03 | Meizirkki | k |
| 18:21.04 | Stskeeps | (unpack, it's getpass.py, and tty.py) |
| 18:21.17 | qwerty12 | hehe, xchat highlighted :P |
| 18:21.22 | Stskeeps | and bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager |
| 18:21.27 | disco_stu | netvandal: have you flashed it = |
| 18:21.28 | Stskeeps | and you can update with bzr pull |
| 18:21.29 | disco_stu | ? |
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| 18:21.39 | Stskeeps | netvandal: usual error when doing a crash i think |
| 18:21.45 | netvandal | yes |
| 18:21.45 | Stskeeps | if it lost some kind of data |
| 18:21.59 | netvandal | but if i do a clean reboot the error is stille there |
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| 18:22.15 | Stskeeps | should fix itself eventually.. im not sure it's fatal |
| 18:22.27 | netvandal | i don't think it's fatal |
| 18:22.39 | netvandal | the device work correctly for hours... |
| 18:22.41 | disco_stu | i would try reflashing |
| 18:23.05 | netvandal | but after some idle time..., randomly, it freeze the keyboard and then, after some minute eboot |
| 18:23.11 | netvandal | i just reflashed |
| 18:23.18 | disco_stu | keeps doing it ? |
| 18:23.26 | netvandal | yes |
| 18:23.28 | netvandal | this evening i retry |
| 18:23.31 | disco_stu | shit |
| 18:23.38 | netvandal | but i've done it more than one time |
| 18:24.20 | netvandal | is quite annoing |
| 18:24.27 | disco_stu | you should check itt |
| 18:24.48 | netvandal | warranty? |
| 18:25.51 | disco_stu | eventually |
| 18:26.52 | netvandal | is what i try to decide.... if send to repair or not |
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| 18:31.57 | gnuton | hi there |
| 18:32.55 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: maybe n800 target should be named to n8x0 target.. or is n800 target for n800 and n810 will come later? |
| 18:33.03 | Stskeeps | i'll have a n810 target too |
| 18:33.09 | Meizirkki | k |
| 18:33.09 | Stskeeps | cos of the GPS driver and keyboard and such |
| 18:33.15 | Stskeeps | for now they're similar |
| 18:33.22 | Meizirkki | ok |
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| 18:36.23 | Stskeeps | and targets for nokia included binaries.. etc |
| 18:36.42 | Meizirkki | k |
| 18:36.46 | lcuk | o we have keyboard hardware mentioned anywhere? |
| 18:36.49 | lcuk | d |
| 18:37.12 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:37.15 | Stskeeps | it does have a kbd |
| 18:37.21 | lcuk | phew! |
| 18:37.31 | Stskeeps | and a vibrator, for the kinky |
| 18:37.41 | Stskeeps | gives a new meaning to wet sd slot |
| 18:37.45 | lcuk | can at least test haptics :) |
| 18:38.07 | Stskeeps | yeah, a tiny vibration when you press a key on on screen :P |
| 18:38.29 | lcuk | i was thinking when you stroke and you go over a boundary but yeah thats the idea |
| 18:38.57 | lcuk | could do it using jagernotes but it would be less effective |
| 18:39.10 | netvandal | thanks to all, i go out and when i come back try to reflash... onother time... bye... |
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| 18:42.18 | AStorm | waits for n-future impatiently |
| 18:43.16 | lcuk | twiddles astorms thumbs |
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| 18:49.55 | Meizirkki | is waiting for imager to install Mer impatiently |
| 18:50.28 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: as soon as this works, i'll make that tar.gz-backup :P |
| 18:50.31 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:52.26 | GAN800 | sighs at trolls |
| 18:52.42 | andrewfblack | Hey GA |
| 18:52.56 | GAN800 | Hi, andrewfblack |
| 18:53.38 | Stskeeps | GAN800: it's your authority-like nick that gives off a bad vibe ;) |
| 18:54.04 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, maybe I should change to 'OMGPonies' |
| 18:54.16 | Stskeeps | or HelloMaemo |
| 18:54.19 | GAN800 | With a Hello Kitty avatar |
| 18:54.39 | andrewfblack | GAN800 that would be so cute do it! |
| 18:54.58 | GAN800 | I can't seem to post anymore without some jackass interjecting theie '2 cents' about 'tone'. <_< |
| 18:55.30 | GAN800 | andrewfblack, we're switching bugzilla to a Hello Kitty theme for April Fool's. ;) |
| 18:56.12 | andrewfblack | GAN800 lol, wait I thought we always interjected our 2 cents about your tone. |
| 18:57.54 | Stskeeps | GAN800: quick question, you happen to know if the git maemo plans include per-user repos? |
| 18:58.08 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, per Garage project |
| 18:58.22 | Stskeeps | ok, because per user is -very- useful in terms of publishing and such |
| 18:58.38 | Stskeeps | as you can then merge into the project one etc |
| 18:58.42 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, mention it on the wiki page |
| 18:58.45 | Stskeeps | i will |
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| 19:00.46 | GAN800 | Well, andrewfblack, it's one thing if I'm actually being sarcastic, but way more obnoxious when I'm just trying to help somebody out. ;) |
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| 19:03.04 | andrewfblack | ohh yeah I would never say anything if you are helping someone out. I just figured you was talking about one of your here is the search link posts. Come to think of it I havn't seen one of those in awhile |
| 19:03.07 | lcuk | you arent obnoxious GAN800, simply annoying and frustrating and short and terse and bitchslappy and grating and angry. though somehow none of that matters any more cos you smile in your forum avatar :D |
| 19:04.25 | AStorm | :P |
| 19:04.33 | AStorm | blah split |
| 19:04.33 | lcuk | omg, the wrath of GAN - he caused a netsplit |
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| 19:04.36 | AStorm | lcuk, actually, you summed him up well |
| 19:04.36 | GAN800 | andrewfblack, I just link wiki pages |
| 19:04.37 | andrewfblack | lcuk lol |
| 19:04.37 | AStorm | :ÜPJ |
| 19:05.53 | AStorm | :P |
| 19:05.53 | AStorm | hides |
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| 19:05.53 | AStorm | GAN800, that smells of RTFM |
| 19:05.54 | lcuk | :D ive never thought of him like that |
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| 19:05.59 | GAN800 | AStorm, :roll: |
| 19:06.00 | GAN800 | AStorm, you'd prefer I just cut'n'paste the whole fucking wiki page into a new post to every 'how do I boot from sd' post? |
| 19:06.00 | lcuk | <kirk>GANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!</kirk> |
| 19:06.00 | AStorm | :> |
| 19:06.00 | Stskeeps | whoa |
| 19:06.00 | GAN800 | The wiki's there to answer those unending questions. |
| 19:06.00 | AStorm | no |
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| 19:07.05 | AStorm | yes, but more than just link |
| 19:07.05 | Stskeeps | GAN800: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Git_For_Garage#Per-user_git_repositories , i'm starting to have thoughts on how to use Garage for Mer teams, so |
| 19:07.05 | lardman | you lot seen this? |
| 19:07.05 | AStorm | have a canned paste or sth :P |
| 19:07.05 | lardman | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45664 |
| 19:07.05 | lardman | :) |
| 19:07.05 | GAN800 | AStorm, feel free to step up and do it. |
| 19:07.05 | Stskeeps | lardman: SGX though? |
| 19:07.27 | AStorm | GAN800, far too busy usually to even read the forums |
| 19:07.42 | GAN800 | AStorm, then don't tell how to do it. :) |
| 19:07.53 | lcuk | lardman, i get the feeling we will see the nokia pandora soon ;) |
| 19:07.56 | AStorm | I had my share of forum life a long time ago |
| 19:10.05 | Meizirkki | again |
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| 19:10.07 | AStorm | expecting a server notice any time soon? :> |
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| 19:23.56 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, you wanna shoot for this Sunday or the next? |
| 19:24.26 | RST38h | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:24.46 | RST38h | My poor little Ubuntu installation |
| 19:25.18 | AStorm | less ubuntu = more smarts :) |
| 19:25.37 | Meizirkki | :P |
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| 19:26.00 | Meizirkki | less Windows = more smarts :) |
| 19:26.38 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 19:26.41 | AStorm | that too |
| 19:26.50 | AStorm | unless it's 2008 Server |
| 19:26.55 | RST38h | Why does any Linux based SDK author thinks that he can use 1GB of my disk space? |
| 19:27.18 | RST38h | First Maemo SDK. Now Open-freaking-embedded |
| 19:27.20 | AStorm | RST38h, because they don't know about -Os |
| 19:27.52 | AStorm | also, glibc is a pig |
| 19:28.06 | AStorm | what's more, these are full chroots for some reason |
| 19:28.13 | RST38h | asks the Tentacled One to punish puny penguin worshippers |
| 19:28.36 | RST38h | AStorm: I did not ask them for a full chroot. I asked them for a toolchain! |
| 19:28.54 | AStorm | qemu is not part of one... |
| 19:28.55 | t_s_o | full chroots = little to no interference between environments? |
| 19:29.07 | AStorm | t_s_o, more or less |
| 19:29.17 | AStorm | and many times more space used |
| 19:29.18 | AStorm | :P |
| 19:29.19 | t_s_o | then it may well be wroth it... |
| 19:29.26 | AStorm | no |
| 19:29.34 | AStorm | :) |
| 19:29.54 | AStorm | RST38h, anyway, to build a system, you need a lot of disk space |
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| 19:32.36 | RST38h | AStorm: I do not need to build the fucking system |
| 19:32.42 | RST38h | Just develop applications for it |
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| 19:32.57 | RST38h | Which btw brings a question: why does Ubuntu Linux image package 98MB in size |
| 19:33.07 | RST38h | s/does/is/ |
| 19:33.08 | AStorm | RST38h, #or that you need a system |
| 19:33.16 | AStorm | *for |
| 19:33.25 | RST38h | AStorm: No. Just need a toolchain and a bunch of .h files |
| 19:33.33 | lardman | rejoined :) |
| 19:33.35 | AStorm | wrong |
| 19:33.45 | AStorm | you need dependent libs |
| 19:33.46 | lardman | have you chaps seen this?: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/pvr/ |
| 19:33.50 | AStorm | to link against |
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| 19:33.57 | RST38h | AStorm: Ok. And a bunch of libs. |
| 19:34.29 | AStorm | including libc |
| 19:34.38 | RST38h | including libc |
| 19:34.47 | AStorm | now, clean crossdev toolchain takes 100 MB |
| 19:34.50 | AStorm | :P |
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| 19:35.02 | RST38h | AStorm: But not 1GB, no? |
| 19:35.10 | AStorm | definitely |
| 19:35.23 | AStorm | adding a bunch of libs doesn't make it 1GB |
| 19:35.25 | RST38h | 'cause that is how much OpenEmbedded just wanted to take |
| 19:35.31 | AStorm | unless it's 200 MB of X |
| 19:35.45 | RST38h | is uninstalling OpenOffice and Evolution as we speak |
| 19:37.22 | RST38h | AStorm: There is no 200MB in X libs and headers. |
| 19:37.22 | AStorm | really? check it :> |
| 19:37.22 | AStorm | >100 MB afaicr |
| 19:37.22 | AStorm | qt takes 30 MB |
| 19:37.22 | AStorm | python 15 |
| 19:37.38 | AStorm | :> |
| 19:39.21 | RST38h | AStorm: That must be with KDE/GNOME/QT/GTK libs |
| 19:39.34 | RST38h | and I do not need any of those, my target device has got 320x240 screen |
| 19:39.34 | AStorm | nah |
| 19:39.46 | RST38h | In fact, screw X, gimme fb |
| 19:39.59 | AStorm | directfb could use more work |
| 19:40.37 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, this sunday ideally |
| 19:41.03 | m-c- | Wee - finally have the debian kernel on my n800 |
| 19:41.31 | AStorm | which version and how? |
| 19:41.34 | m-c- | Did not realize all the applications and the UI would remain mostly the same. |
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| 19:49.56 | solca | StsN800: how can I install newer Mer? |
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| 19:51.33 | Meiz_n810 | solca: goto qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr |
| 19:51.40 | Meiz_n810 | install the deb |
| 19:52.05 | solca | Meiz_n810: on maemo right? |
| 19:52.10 | qwerty12_N800 | untar libz.tar.gz to /usr/lib/python2.5 |
| 19:52.11 | Meiz_n810 | yes |
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| 19:52.40 | solca | ok |
| 19:53.00 | Meiz_n810 | btw solca, your latest android works really great! |
| 19:53.51 | solca | Meiz_n810: really? I didn't test it much as I discover some new wifi driver bugs |
| 19:54.56 | suihkulokki | m-c-: hmm? |
| 19:55.25 | solca | Meiz_n810: I saw on the G1 faq that scanning works, I always use it manually configured |
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| 19:55.45 | solca | Meiz_n810: do you see the scanning or you enter it manually? |
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| 19:58.33 | Meiz_n810 | solca: manually |
| 19:59.30 | m-c- | suihkulokki: I was hoping the debian install would aid in ogg file playback, but I see now that it is actually using much of the same original front end. I was misinformed by the original person telling me about the project. |
| 20:00.30 | m-c- | Interesting project none-the-less. Would be great if the N800 could eventually share in the same efforts that go into the debian project. |
| 20:02.18 | solca | Meiz_n810: any wishes apart from wifi scanning (which I'm currently working)? |
| 20:02.21 | m-c- | And this seems like it would get the nokia hardware drivers upstream. Has that been really done yet? |
| 20:02.45 | m-c- | Good luck with you own projects. |
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| 20:11.24 | lardman | hi qgil |
| 20:11.58 | qgil | hi mr lardman :) |
| 20:15.19 | Stskeeps | brr. cold outside |
| 20:15.28 | lardman | what is tribal fusion? |
| 20:15.38 | lardman | ~lart them whatever they are for slowing down itt |
| 20:15.38 | infobot | hauls them whatever they are up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles for slowing down itt |
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| 20:18.55 | Stskeeps | lardman: banner stuff maybe |
| 20:19.16 | lardman | yeah, some sort of advert stuff I imagine |
| 20:19.20 | lardman | soon to be gone :) |
| 20:20.21 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: you about? |
| 20:20.31 | lardman | have compiled Qalculate, not tested yet mind you |
| 20:21.09 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hehe, fingers crossed that we don't get a segfault ;) |
| 20:21.16 | lardman | any C++ debugging gurus about?: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1dd5529c |
| 20:21.18 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: yeah :( |
| 20:22.18 | lcuk | lardman, is this your own code or just building? |
| 20:22.29 | lardman | just building xcas/giac |
| 20:23.16 | qwerty12_N800 | you *still* use a chinook target? :P |
| 20:23.19 | lcuk | cos it says theres no valid constructor for passing a pointer to, you need to pass by reference or whatever its called |
| 20:24.07 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: me? |
| 20:24.10 | lardman | I don;t think so |
| 20:24.15 | lardman | lcuk: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/pvr/ |
| 20:24.23 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: or am I? |
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| 20:24.50 | solca | qwerty12_N800: I finished untaring libz.tar and dpkg -i <the deb>, now what? |
| 20:24.59 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hehe, it says chinook_armel. unless you went dist-upgrade route from chinook sdk to diablo :) |
| 20:25.14 | Stskeeps | bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager |
| 20:25.14 | lardman | yes I did |
| 20:25.16 | Stskeeps | , solca |
| 20:25.38 | solca | Stskeeps: do I need a partition or somethin? |
| 20:25.41 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, i don't know, i just told you that as far as the bzr packages go because they were a quick hack of mine :) |
| 20:25.43 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: ah good, was worried for a mo there |
| 20:25.57 | Meiz_n810 | solca: yes |
| 20:26.11 | Stskeeps | solca: this is just the imager scripts for now, you run it with sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /TARGETDIRECTORY |
| 20:26.21 | Stskeeps | where targetdirectory is a ext2/ext3 partition somewhere |
| 20:26.31 | lardman | lcuk: what does this mean?: giac::ref_mpz_t::ref_mpz_t(const __mpz_struct (&)[1]) |
| 20:26.49 | Meiz_n810 | what is the command to pack up a tar.bz2 ? |
| 20:27.04 | Stskeeps | tar -jxf |
| 20:27.05 | Stskeeps | er |
| 20:27.06 | Stskeeps | jcf |
| 20:27.07 | solca | ok, step by step plz :) first: bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager |
| 20:27.18 | lcuk | the & is (ifiak) reference and is different to (*) pointer |
| 20:27.34 | Stskeeps | solca: did you use imager before / debootstrap on tablet / had deblet installing on it |
| 20:27.36 | solca | next: sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /<target> |
| 20:27.37 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 20:27.55 | solca | Stskeeps: I have never used imager before |
| 20:27.59 | Stskeeps | k |
| 20:28.09 | solca | I installed deblet with the GUI installer |
| 20:28.38 | solca | os more easy, is there a tar somewhere? |
| 20:28.40 | Stskeeps | then you need md5sum from .. http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/installer/deblet-installer/usr/libexec/deblet/md5sum , put it in /bin and +x it |
| 20:29.04 | solca | wget "http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/installer/deblet-installer/usr/libexec/deblet/md5sum" |
| 20:29.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's more easy, and no tar yet, i would prefer people to get used to playing with imager as it is a bitch throwing about tar.gz's :P |
| 20:29.13 | lardman | lcuk: this code never compiles correctly, really annoying |
| 20:29.13 | solca | oops sorry... :P |
| 20:29.24 | lcuk | lardman, is it the version of gcc? |
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| 20:29.26 | lardman | solca: :) |
| 20:29.33 | lardman | lcuk: perhaps |
| 20:29.48 | lcuk | what was the build system originally? or dont you know |
| 20:29.55 | solca | Stskeeps: md5sum done |
| 20:30.08 | lardman | supposed to work on every thing from 2.95 to 4.2.0 |
| 20:30.11 | Stskeeps | and get debootstrap from .. |
| 20:30.19 | Stskeeps | http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10ubuntu1_all.deb |
| 20:30.38 | solca | done |
| 20:30.46 | Stskeeps | (dpkg -i it) and then run the imager :P |
| 20:31.00 | Stskeeps | it'll start cooking up the fs then |
| 20:31.09 | solca | dpkg -i done |
| 20:31.15 | solca | run the imager? |
| 20:31.18 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 20:31.28 | Stskeeps | sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /<target> |
| 20:31.54 | solca | and what about: bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager |
| 20:32.03 | Meiz_n810 | do it first |
| 20:32.06 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 20:32.10 | solca | which one? |
| 20:32.13 | Stskeeps | that gets you the imager directory |
| 20:32.15 | Stskeeps | the bzr branch |
| 20:32.20 | solca | ahh |
| 20:32.33 | solca | that in maemo fs right? |
| 20:33.06 | solca | bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager |
| 20:33.15 | solca | oops again! sorry... |
| 20:33.31 | solca | still is tired... |
| 20:33.34 | lardman | goes to test Qalculate! |
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| 20:34.37 | Stskeeps | yeah, in maemo fs |
| 20:34.39 | solca | imager |
| 20:34.50 | solca | I can't find imager |
| 20:35.16 | solca | I must +x imager/imager ? |
| 20:35.59 | Stskeeps | cd imager; sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /TARGET |
| 20:36.09 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: *sigh* same old |
| 20:36.18 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, :( |
| 20:36.20 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: will see what I can work out though |
| 20:36.26 | qwerty12_N800 | cool |
| 20:36.59 | lardman | later though, will get into trouble, been on computer too long :) |
| 20:37.35 | solca | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m2e245a72 |
| 20:41.42 | RST38h | lardman: Qalculate? =)~~~ |
| 20:42.04 | Stskeeps | solca: mer-n800-fs-only, sorry |
| 20:42.59 | solca | it's downloading stuff... |
| 20:43.05 | Stskeeps | yeah, that'll take a while |
| 20:43.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:43.12 | Stskeeps | it's bootstrapping the system |
| 20:43.39 | solca | is the new ubuntu arm support? |
| 20:43.53 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's based on ubuntu jaunty arm |
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| 20:44.53 | solca | directly from ubuntu? or the others guy? |
| 20:45.03 | solca | mojo |
| 20:45.04 | Stskeeps | directly from ubuntu |
| 20:45.08 | Stskeeps | mojo we used to use |
| 20:45.40 | solca | cool, this wil be ubuntu 9.04 right? |
| 20:45.44 | Stskeeps | yea |
| 20:45.49 | Stskeeps | based on, but butchered a bit |
| 20:46.19 | Stskeeps | then it needs a typical deblet bootmenu with a typical deblet .item :P |
| 20:46.31 | solca | and the fremantle stuff on top of ubuntu? |
| 20:46.52 | solca | using the normal maemo kernel right? |
| 20:47.49 | Stskeeps | solca: yeah, the mer-n800-onlyfs uses diablo kernel modules (for now) |
| 20:47.57 | Stskeeps | fairly easy to make new targets though |
| 20:48.58 | solca | Stskeeps: and this fetches the Mer debs (based on fremantle I pressume) too ? |
| 20:49.01 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 20:49.16 | Stskeeps | libhildon and hildon-control-panel and the things we picked up from svn already |
| 20:49.27 | Stskeeps | turns out they were similar to fremantle packages in many cases |
| 20:50.04 | lcuk | oh ship! |
| 20:50.42 | lcuk | i started to code something but i picked up vb instead :'( |
| 20:50.51 | solca | Stskeeps: and what w'll you use for updating? plain apt-get ? |
| 20:51.00 | Stskeeps | solca: for now, apt-get, yeah |
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| 20:51.08 | solca | for now? |
| 20:51.24 | Stskeeps | well the idea of SSU's isn't -that- bad |
| 20:51.51 | solca | what is SSU? |
| 20:52.01 | Stskeeps | seamless software updates |
| 20:52.05 | Stskeeps | the maemo updates |
| 20:52.06 | lcuk | a front end to apt-get |
| 20:52.11 | solca | but it uses apt |
| 20:52.25 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 20:52.32 | solca | apt sucks for this type of aplications |
| 20:52.40 | solca | I would prefer an image based upgrade |
| 20:52.44 | solca | based on rsync |
| 20:52.57 | Stskeeps | yeah, but that's bound to die with tinkering even worse |
| 20:54.20 | Stskeeps | so |
| 20:54.54 | solca | Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745 |
| 20:55.43 | Stskeeps | solca: \o/ |
| 20:56.02 | Stskeeps | that's brilliant news |
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| 20:56.25 | Stskeeps | the system works! |
| 20:56.29 | solca | haha |
| 20:58.39 | solca | Stskeeps: apt-get install sucks too, there is too much overhead |
| 20:58.47 | solca | Stskeeps: an image based installer will be fast |
| 20:59.38 | Stskeeps | solca: for initial setup, yes |
| 21:00.06 | Stskeeps | i agree on that part, but for now, we need to do quick edits, and we don't have the infrastructure to throw around 256mb images.. |
| 21:00.11 | Stskeeps | and update them constantly |
| 21:00.42 | solca | an image updater just will update the newer bits |
| 21:00.51 | solca | not the whole thing |
| 21:01.04 | solca | will waste less b/w too |
| 21:01.15 | solca | and much _much_ faster than anything |
| 21:01.20 | Stskeeps | .. the newer bits = same thing as package updating.. :) |
| 21:01.28 | solca | Stskeeps: nope |
| 21:01.55 | Stskeeps | ok, so you want to make the flash R/O and changes on mmc? :P |
| 21:02.00 | Stskeeps | and update the flash? :P |
| 21:02.23 | solca | because package based is the whole files + scripts, image updating just changes the changed files |
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| 21:02.25 | AStorm | xdelta? |
| 21:02.30 | solca | is much simpler and efficient |
| 21:02.34 | solca | AStorm: exactly |
| 21:02.36 | solca | just deltas |
| 21:02.45 | Stskeeps | solca: ok, fair enough, but also recipe for disaster |
| 21:02.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:02.53 | chelli | :) |
| 21:02.54 | AStorm | alternatively, diff :> |
| 21:02.59 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, nspeed in extras-devel is fun; even if hard to control :) |
| 21:03.09 | AStorm | Stskeeps, nah, it is like a full flash |
| 21:03.15 | solca | Stskeeps: with proper checksumming is ok |
| 21:03.20 | AStorm | you patch original image with it |
| 21:03.27 | AStorm | yup |
| 21:03.37 | AStorm | xdelta does checksums |
| 21:03.53 | Stskeeps | ok. its jffs2. there's no way we're going to know where the files are after the user touches it. |
| 21:04.09 | solca | AStorm: does it uses rsync? |
| 21:04.09 | AStorm | exactly |
| 21:04.14 | AStorm | no |
| 21:04.21 | AStorm | it is binary patcher |
| 21:04.32 | solca | Stskeeps: it doesnt matter if it is jffs2 |
| 21:04.38 | AStorm | use it for patching old image files |
| 21:04.41 | solca | you changing the file not the filesystem :P |
| 21:04.55 | AStorm | ah |
| 21:05.01 | AStorm | for that, csup is good |
| 21:05.16 | Stskeeps | ok, but a firmware image also includes config files and crap. :P |
| 21:05.17 | AStorm | freebsd uses that for ports |
| 21:05.26 | Stskeeps | and if we're going to do this sanely, we'll end up with dpkg anyway. |
| 21:05.32 | AStorm | this, or some other git |
| 21:05.38 | solca | Stskeeps: it doesnt matter, it will transfer just the changes in the config files for example |
| 21:05.43 | AStorm | those can be used for upgrades |
| 21:06.07 | AStorm | although tree will grow huge with time, so redo it every ondce and then |
| 21:06.09 | solca | Stskeeps: nope dpkg works totally different |
| 21:06.38 | Stskeeps | have you seen its conffiles handling lately? |
| 21:07.01 | Stskeeps | and if md5sum is similar of two binary files, dont bother updating |
| 21:07.35 | AStorm | Stskeeps, read gentoos etc-update |
| 21:07.42 | solca | md5 collision is hard to probe, but if that is a concern sha2 could be used |
| 21:07.42 | AStorm | do it that way |
| 21:07.55 | Stskeeps | AStorm: i've been an freebsd user for many years. i know how this works |
| 21:08.01 | AStorm | yup |
| 21:08.04 | qgil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897#c11 is an interesting answer |
| 21:08.13 | AStorm | just blacklist config files |
| 21:08.42 | Stskeeps | qgil: sure xorg contains a omapfb driver? i think it's just xorg framework |
| 21:08.47 | solca | Stskeeps: is package based too as far as I remember |
| 21:08.59 | Stskeeps | in pre-alpha |
| 21:09.08 | Stskeeps | (or i haven't looked closely enough) |
| 21:09.15 | qgil | if you have Xorg questions I'm not the kind of person to have the answers |
| 21:09.24 | solca | AStorm: binary deltas is like normal source patches, it just changes "the differences" _in_a_file_ |
| 21:09.32 | Stskeeps | qgil: yeah, was just your comment in the bug :) |
| 21:09.48 | Stskeeps | solca: build a system on top of apt that does binary deltas of deb packages.. same result |
| 21:10.14 | qgil | I just found funny that someone answers to his enhancment request saying that he's going to buy another device - has the G1 mouse support at least? |
| 21:10.29 | Stskeeps | qgil: if you buy a developer license and everything.. maybe |
| 21:10.53 | AStorm | solca, yes |
| 21:11.13 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 21:11.37 | suihkulokki | solca: for imager, youd need a binary delta against the filesystem, not just files |
| 21:11.48 | AStorm | funny, as n8x0 can support mice with just a tiny bit of work |
| 21:12.03 | solca | Stskeeps: not factible as you would need generating deltas agains all packages versions |
| 21:12.16 | AStorm | that being driver + visible pointer |
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| 21:12.39 | Stskeeps | solca: we'd need to anyhow.. in any case, i think the apt+dpkg system is "sane enough" (i don't always agree with it), for the purpose we have |
| 21:12.57 | Stskeeps | i mean, debian hasn't keeled over and died cos of it, and it has done some pretty big release updates.. |
| 21:13.33 | Stskeeps | whereas i have seen gentoo keel over .. several times |
| 21:13.48 | Stskeeps | but im not going into a distribution discussion :) |
| 21:14.04 | suihkulokki | why not? you could go on forever :) |
| 21:14.05 | solca | Stskeeps: you are right, apt-get is proved against anything hehe |
| 21:14.19 | Stskeeps | it is an advantage for Mer to be similar with regards to apt/dpkg, towards upstream, which has a strong debian package connection |
| 21:14.26 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: yes, and i have other things to do the rest of my life ;) |
| 21:15.26 | solca | Stskeeps: in other news deboostrap is unpacking... |
| 21:15.39 | AStorm | Stskeeps, gentoo had problems when the bugs were found in etc-update... a long long time ago |
| 21:15.41 | Stskeeps | solca: yes, it takes ages |
| 21:16.45 | Stskeeps | AStorm: and there's similar etc-update things for dpkg.. when there's edited a conffile, it asks on upgrade similar to freebsd/gentoo |
| 21:16.45 | AStorm | yes |
| 21:17.03 | Stskeeps | ok, back to wiki editing :P |
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| 21:17.42 | AStorm | heck, I use that part of dpkg almost daily :> |
| 21:17.44 | jeward | So , my n810 has developed some update problems. Anyone else have packages that won't update? |
| 21:18.00 | Stskeeps | jeward: verify you don't have extras-devel and sdk in your repositories |
| 21:18.08 | jeward | Checking. |
| 21:18.14 | Stskeeps | or tools, for that sake |
| 21:18.26 | AStorm | tools should work :> |
| 21:18.40 | Stskeeps | ideally :P |
| 21:19.57 | jeward | Stskeeps: Maemo extras okay? |
| 21:20.03 | Stskeeps | jeward: should be |
| 21:20.35 | jeward | Stskeeps: Test maemo Extras? |
| 21:20.41 | jeward | Er, Testing |
| 21:21.04 | Stskeeps | sounds like extras-devel? :P |
| 21:21.12 | AStorm | ... |
| 21:21.25 | jeward | Should I get rid of it and try updating again? |
| 21:21.32 | Stskeeps | can't harm :) |
| 21:21.32 | AStorm | extras-devel has a known update bug |
| 21:21.49 | Meiz_n810 | jeward testing extras is extras-devel |
| 21:21.52 | Meiz_n810 | remove that |
| 21:22.43 | jeward | Removed and trying to update again. |
| 21:23.54 | lcuk | jeward, would you stop trying to update, you keep breaking my internet |
| 21:23.54 | AStorm | split town :P |
| 21:23.54 | jeward | :) |
| 21:23.54 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:24.01 | jeward | My n810 is ALL powerful! |
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| 21:25.29 | r2d2rogers | caught ups |
| 21:25.38 | jeward | I also have a bunch of repositories that won't refresh, I should delete them too? |
| 21:25.53 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: do I neef to grab a fresher imager before I kick off on a 770? |
| 21:26.15 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: nop, havent touched it since last really |
| 21:26.22 | Stskeeps | it should install now |
| 21:27.24 | Stskeeps | curses wikis and tab closing |
| 21:27.54 | r2d2rogers | cool |
| 21:27.59 | r2d2rogers | thank you |
| 21:28.28 | Stskeeps | solca: i guess i won't have to tell you about the rescue menu to active console? (only way for X to work atm) |
| 21:28.45 | r2d2rogers | wishes he had not left his bt keyboard at home, or at least, that the backdoor tunnel via ssh would work right on his 770 |
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| 21:29.29 | r2d2rogers | stupid work firewall and non-working internal WLAN |
| 21:29.34 | jeward | Some application packages required for the update are missing. (libdb4.2) |
| 21:29.50 | jeward | lobglade2-0 |
| 21:29.54 | jeward | Er. lib |
| 21:30.01 | jeward | makedev |
| 21:30.10 | jeward | Operating System |
| 21:30.37 | solca | Stskeeps: understood, it just finished... |
| 21:30.49 | lardman|away | and the rejoin :) |
| 21:31.15 | lardman|away | qgil: not enough time spent on irc ;) |
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| 21:31.19 | jeward | Do those three sound familiar to anyone with regard to upgrade issues? |
| 21:32.29 | AStorm | libdb sounds like one |
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| 21:32.47 | jeward | Which repo should I try deleting next? |
| 21:33.09 | solca | Stskeeps: and when fremantle get released, Mer base will be ubuntu or fremantle based? |
| 21:33.36 | lcuk | jeward, disabled anything not nokia or maemo.org specific |
| 21:33.41 | lcuk | -d |
| 21:33.42 | jeward | Okie. |
| 21:33.45 | Stskeeps | solca: well technically it's both.. the idea of mer is also to reconstruct the system |
| 21:33.51 | lcuk | seems the most logical approach initially |
| 21:34.05 | Stskeeps | and see what we can do as community if we had our hands free to do what needs to be done |
| 21:34.59 | Stskeeps | solca: .. that's a pet peeve of mine, and one of my motivations for being in this |
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| 21:35.37 | Stskeeps | i don't want it to be ubuntu, i want it to be whatever upstream mangled to work well with mobile devices.. and have a sane ability towards porting from desktop distributions :) |
| 21:35.56 | solca | ok, I though we were using ubuntu base because fremantle packages were not ready |
| 21:35.57 | Stskeeps | and i think a child of ubuntu and fremantle will do that trick |
| 21:36.21 | solca | right |
| 21:36.23 | Stskeeps | no, the maemo reconstructed thoughts came before starting to think about fremantle sdk that much :P |
| 21:36.43 | Stskeeps | now we just have an increased purpose, so |
| 21:37.39 | solca | well, I had the wrong perception that Mer was a repacking of fremantle for n8x0 devices |
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| 21:37.57 | Stskeeps | solca: depends what you define as fremantle really |
| 21:38.26 | solca | fremantle: as packages published by nokia |
| 21:38.40 | solca | mer = fremantle for n8x00 |
| 21:38.51 | solca | but that's inacurate |
| 21:39.06 | Stskeeps | my goal is mer is the maemo reconstructed idea, with fremantle packages taken in where it makes sense |
| 21:39.12 | Stskeeps | and some things changed based on community need |
| 21:39.25 | solca | Stskeeps: thats pretty cool! |
| 21:39.39 | Stskeeps | but this is just my own personal thoughts, we'll discuss harder when we have the first meeting :P |
| 21:39.58 | solca | k |
| 21:41.11 | jeward | Okay, now I still have 3 problem packages: makedev, libglade2-0 and libdb4.2 |
| 21:41.14 | jeward | Any ideas? |
| 21:41.18 | Stskeeps | tools? |
| 21:41.39 | jeward | Application packages missing all end in osso? |
| 21:42.21 | jeward | Stskeeps: What do you mean: tools? |
| 21:42.33 | Stskeeps | tools repository or something |
| 21:42.38 | Stskeeps | brb |
| 21:42.39 | jeward | Checking. |
| 21:42.42 | qwerty12_N800 | What os version is your device? Chinook or Diablo? |
| 21:42.50 | jeward | Diablo. |
| 21:43.18 | zakkm | wouldnt they do fremantle hacker edition, ? lol |
| 21:43.26 | zakkm | why is everyone saying no n8xx support |
| 21:43.33 | jeward | Maemo Hackers? |
| 21:43.33 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, Do any of your distribution lines in app mgr's catalogues contain the word chinook? |
| 21:43.38 | jeward | Maemo CJK? |
| 21:43.44 | jeward | Yes. |
| 21:43.50 | jeward | Delete the Chinooks? |
| 21:43.54 | qwerty12_N800 | disable them |
| 21:44.07 | qwerty12_N800 | or delete them if you wish |
| 21:44.08 | Stskeeps | zakkm: not sane financially, and HE was done by idle nokia employees |
| 21:44.12 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 21:44.32 | zakkm | that would so suck then |
| 21:44.39 | zakkm | is it definite fremantle wont work? |
| 21:44.45 | lcuk | it looks like a CE version is more likely this time :) |
| 21:44.48 | zakkm | i bought my nokia hoping for fremantle, though diablo was new too |
| 21:44.57 | Stskeeps | yes, but that's what Mer is for.. bringing the fremantle parts to n8x0 |
| 21:44.58 | zakkm | my old 770 didnt like bora/chinook well :P lol |
| 21:45.03 | Stskeeps | .. and for other purposes |
| 21:45.22 | jeward | Okay, that got rid of makedev, |
| 21:45.30 | zakkm | you know the n800, it has a 3d uhh card right? |
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| 21:45.39 | jeward | Down to: libglade2-0, libdb4.2. |
| 21:45.39 | lcuk | why would anyone buy a device now to use on updated hardware - if you knew enough to know what fremantle was you would have known also the spec upgrades expected |
| 21:45.40 | zakkm | hardware acceleration, but no software |
| 21:45.42 | Stskeeps | zakkm: which we don't have drives for.. |
| 21:45.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:45.44 | zakkm | yes |
| 21:45.45 | Stskeeps | drivers |
| 21:45.49 | zakkm | but wouldnt it be in fremantle sdk? |
| 21:45.53 | zakkm | or fremantle release |
| 21:45.56 | Stskeeps | nop, different chip, |
| 21:46.03 | Stskeeps | ours is a MBX, theirs is a SGX |
| 21:46.06 | zakkm | cant someone like edit to to fit? |
| 21:46.06 | zakkm | or no? |
| 21:46.21 | Stskeeps | we'll see i guess |
| 21:46.21 | zakkm | oh okay, just wondering |
| 21:46.33 | zakkm | so the fremantle release basically means nothing to n8xx users? :P |
| 21:46.43 | Stskeeps | oh, it means a lot of things to us |
| 21:46.55 | Stskeeps | go read iTT, quite a heated up discussion, but a lot of interesting points too |
| 21:47.02 | zakkm | i saw the uhh |
| 21:47.07 | zakkm | main topic, but i havnet had time to read posts yet |
| 21:47.14 | zakkm | i saw it on engadget originally |
| 21:47.18 | zakkm | and it pointed to maemo.org |
| 21:47.39 | lcuk | almost exactly one year now for me :) |
| 21:47.56 | Stskeeps | but anyway, we've gotten a invitation from nokia that is quite unseen in open source circles |
| 21:48.05 | Stskeeps | when dealing with vendor OS'es |
| 21:48.15 | Stskeeps | unseen as in, a very bloody nice thing |
| 21:48.35 | zakkm | they sell out so fast |
| 21:48.43 | zakkm | the tablets |
| 21:48.58 | Stskeeps | i want a rx-51/n900 just so i can drool over it |
| 21:48.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:49.12 | lcuk | nokia:: PLEASE supply bibs and drip trays |
| 21:49.30 | zakkm | :D |
| 21:49.36 | zakkm | n900 is it ? |
| 21:49.39 | zakkm | like officially |
| 21:49.40 | lcuk | dunno |
| 21:49.48 | lcuk | rx-51 appears to be the model number |
| 21:49.56 | Stskeeps | or maybe just a devel board |
| 21:50.19 | lcuk | * rx-51: added waterproofing to case |
| 21:50.29 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:50.31 | jeward | Okay, now all I have is a 0kb Operating System update that never goes away. |
| 21:50.37 | Stskeeps | that's fine |
| 21:50.38 | jeward | Should I just reflash it? |
| 21:50.41 | jeward | Oh, okay. |
| 21:50.42 | qgil | GeneralAntilles: one bug for all the inappropriate @maemo.org addresses is enough, don't you think? |
| 21:50.58 | jeward | What repos SHOULD I have minimally? |
| 21:51.08 | jeward | All I have now are Nokia. |
| 21:51.38 | lcuk | then all is good :) nokia default tableteer ones as well as maemo.org diablo extras is most ideal for users |
| 21:52.20 | lcuk | once you go off the beaten track and start adding extra repos you run into conflicts like you encountered |
| 21:52.37 | jeward | lcuk: Where can I find the info to rebuild my repo list? |
| 21:53.00 | jeward | followed some article and added everything under the sun. |
| 21:53.16 | Stskeeps | mm, extras is all you need, and optionally extras-devel, these days |
| 21:53.19 | Stskeeps | and nokia repos |
| 21:53.20 | lcuk | that article needs flushing down the toilet :) |
| 21:53.38 | zakkm | maemo.org repo? |
| 21:53.57 | jeward | Do I populate it from cliking on links? I don't remember. |
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| 21:53.59 | zakkm | lcuk: whats maemo.org repo? |
| 21:54.17 | zakkm | i just have the default + extras enabled and extras-devel |
| 21:54.40 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 21:54.43 | zakkm | how much do you guys think the rx-51 will cost? |
| 21:54.48 | lcuk | no |
| 21:54.54 | lcuk | -devel shouldnt be used by default |
| 21:55.15 | zakkm | it is for me |
| 21:55.18 | zakkm | it always is |
| 21:55.28 | zakkm | just like i use sid for debian, and stuff |
| 21:55.39 | zakkm | and nightly's for browsers ;p |
| 21:55.55 | lcuk | then you know how to handle yourself - i wasnt talking to you :P |
| 21:56.06 | zakkm | oh sorry |
| 21:56.25 | jeward | Okay, got maemo extras. |
| 21:56.31 | zakkm | lcuk: still no luck on the pdf support for liqbase? |
| 21:56.35 | lcuk | my fault actually - i thought i was still chattin to jeward.. |
| 21:56.50 | jeward | I'm listening. :-) |
| 21:56.56 | jeward | Whoa, lots of updates now! |
| 21:57.45 | jeward | I think my updates have been broken a while. :-) |
| 21:57.57 | lcuk | zakkm, ive got nothing right now on device. im rebuilding a lot of stuff which i threw up whilst learning, ive knocked it down to give me an even stronger base (which will also make it easier to have 2 branches - diablo+fremantle) :) |
| 21:58.30 | zakkm | fremantle is so far away though ;p |
| 21:58.43 | jeward | Uhoh, the libdb4.2 is back. :( |
| 21:59.10 | jeward | Seems to be part of claws? |
| 21:59.16 | lcuk | zakkm, if i leave it as it is i cannto do what i really want: add transparent rotation support |
| 21:59.26 | jeward | Now libxml2. |
| 21:59.35 | zakkm | transparent rotation support? |
| 22:00.25 | lcuk | yes, i want my tablet oriented the other way - ive wanted it for a while but i made a big cockup at the start and it was difficult to make it work without having to hard code every bit in |
| 22:00.43 | zakkm | jeward, dont know much about the nokia's debian/maemo but would using apt-get versus application manager.. help? |
| 22:00.56 | *** join/#maemo cyberholic (n=Miranda@c130033.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 22:00.57 | lcuk | this sounds like apt-get tbh |
| 22:01.32 | jeward | tbh? |
| 22:01.38 | zakkm | to be honest |
| 22:01.42 | lcuk | to be honest |
| 22:01.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, does liqbase check the contents of the cpu scripts? i edited the powersave script to run transset-df but liqbase refuses to run it :/. is this some industrial strength security system :p? |
| 22:02.06 | jeward | Meaning I should try apt-get instead? |
| 22:02.13 | zakkm | jeward: yes |
| 22:02.16 | lcuk | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 22:02.19 | lcuk | no |
| 22:02.21 | jeward | AOK, as soon as this finishes. |
| 22:02.29 | lcuk | its probably a user permisionns thing now |
| 22:02.35 | zakkm | lcuk: should jeward try apt-get -f install ... ? |
| 22:02.38 | lcuk | cos you will have edited it and saved as root or something |
| 22:02.39 | qwerty12_N800 | k, thanks |
| 22:02.39 | zakkm | sounds like it might help |
| 22:02.48 | jeward | Edited what as root? |
| 22:02.52 | cyberholic | hi i am back. to those that i told about the flickr Mojo at mojocafe.net this afternoon, i just would like to thank and inform you that i changed the flickr mojo like you asked to. You can now enter a word at the start and will then be presented with the proper images. thanks again for your support! |
| 22:02.55 | lcuk | zakkm, i wouldnt have the foggiest |
| 22:03.07 | zakkm | jeward: do "sudo apt-get install -f" |
| 22:03.09 | zakkm | ahh |
| 22:03.13 | jeward | Will do. |
| 22:03.23 | zakkm | jeward: "sudo gainroot && apt-get install -f" |
| 22:03.28 | zakkm | or is it -f install? |
| 22:03.33 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it's in /usr/bin, i have no choice but to edit as root (but chown user:uses would work too I guess) |
| 22:04.13 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, i run "sudo liqbase-cpu-XXXXX" and since last time i tried that as root it moaned at me thats the only thing i can think ok |
| 22:04.49 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: school-boy error |
| 22:04.54 | lcuk | to all blind users leading other blind users doing apt-get update thingies: take bloody care. jeward watch yourself and read up before you go any further |
| 22:04.58 | qwerty12_N800 | fair enough :) |
| 22:05.04 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, :p |
| 22:05.10 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: one-line fix to the problem |
| 22:05.13 | lcuk | "can think of" |
| 22:05.19 | jeward | lcuk: I administer debian for a living. ;-) |
| 22:05.21 | zakkm | lol |
| 22:05.31 | zakkm | lcuk: i asked you first, you had no idea ;p but yeah |
| 22:05.36 | zakkm | no apt-get remove kernel** :P |
| 22:05.38 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I was talking about Qalculate btw |
| 22:05.46 | lcuk | zakkm, i didnt try to send him down the command path tho :P |
| 22:06.00 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, ah! |
| 22:06.00 | lcuk | jeward, then why so many questions :P |
| 22:06.14 | jeward | lcuk: Cause I don't want to have to reflash it? :-) |
| 22:06.14 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, nice work master lardman |
| 22:06.25 | zakkm | goes to high school for his living :P |
| 22:06.28 | lcuk | then administer it |
| 22:06.31 | jeward | is hoping someone knows more than he does. |
| 22:07.36 | qwerty12_N800 | goes to update the debianisations of kismet on his tablet... |
| 22:07.39 | lcuk | do i finish what i started lastnight and write a quick desktop server host for liqbase : in vb |
| 22:07.55 | qwerty12_N800 | waaa vb waaa |
| 22:08.02 | lcuk | SLAP |
| 22:08.18 | qwerty12_N800 | OW |
| 22:08.26 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:08.27 | jeward | Oh this is funny. |
| 22:08.31 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 22:08.37 | lardman | gtk_window_set_default_icon_from_file() causes the problem |
| 22:08.42 | zakkm | my kid keeps drawing in liqbase on my nokia, thanks to the liqbase-desktop he does it no more ;p |
| 22:08.50 | jeward | It says to do "apt-get auto-remove" and then says auto-remove is an invalid operation. :-) |
| 22:09.12 | zakkm | theres a flag auto-remove? |
| 22:09.12 | lcuk | liqbase-desktop? ahh the qwerty thing |
| 22:09.23 | zakkm | you said quick desktop server host ? |
| 22:09.30 | zakkm | i thought you mean vnc'ing the nokia, to control liqbase |
| 22:09.31 | zakkm | sorry ;p |
| 22:09.38 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, apt-get autoremove |
| 22:09.51 | lardman | right Debian gurus, how do I create a Packages file? |
| 22:09.59 | lcuk | lol zakkm, i mean having my sketches float up the screen from all connected hosts as they are drawn |
| 22:10.02 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, extras! |
| 22:10.05 | lcuk | and pulled into clouds |
| 22:10.08 | Stskeeps | lardman: apt-ftparchive maybe |
| 22:10.14 | Stskeeps | or reprepro |
| 22:10.16 | Stskeeps | (sp) |
| 22:10.21 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: all in the fullness ;) |
| 22:10.30 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: Thanks! |
| 22:10.31 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 22:10.44 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: do I have to put my email address in, or does the builder do it for me automatically? |
| 22:11.22 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, you have to do it yourself |
| 22:11.35 | lardman | right |
| 22:11.40 | suihkulokki | lardman: easiest way is dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz |
| 22:11.48 | lardman | thanks suihkulokki |
| 22:11.56 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, i assume you mean in files like debian/control changelog etc |
| 22:11.59 | suihkulokki | assuming you just have a few debs in dir . |
| 22:12.01 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'll put up a temporary repo, don't tell GeneralAntilles |
| 22:12.09 | lardman | suihkulokki: yep, thanks :) |
| 22:12.21 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hehe, you pinged him :O |
| 22:12.28 | lardman | damn! ;) |
| 22:13.12 | Stskeeps | ok, for everyone interested in Mer project structure.. here's a raw sketch: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Project_Draft , - i'd love any sort of constructive comment |
| 22:13.22 | Stskeeps | and it's not final in -any- way, just proposals |
| 22:13.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, IT SUCKS! :P :D |
| 22:13.37 | jeward | All better! :-) |
| 22:13.41 | jeward | Thanks Guys! |
| 22:13.47 | qwerty12_N800 | constructive enough? :p |
| 22:14.07 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: working on a platform file for the 770 now |
| 22:14.11 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright |
| 22:14.40 | r2d2rogers | mer_installer/platforms/nokia-770 missing line 6 of imager script |
| 22:14.41 | jeward | What do you guys think of Andoir? |
| 22:14.45 | jeward | Er, Andoird? |
| 22:14.50 | jeward | Android even. |
| 22:15.06 | Stskeeps | RST38h: hmm? |
| 22:15.08 | Stskeeps | er |
| 22:15.10 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hmm? |
| 22:15.42 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: sorry, error in line 6 of the imager script, missing platforms/nokia-770 |
| 22:15.59 | r2d2rogers | or... can't open... same think |
| 22:16.08 | Stskeeps | pastebin your target and your sh imager command line, and your platform file |
| 22:16.19 | r2d2rogers | don't ahve a platform fileyet ;) |
| 22:16.25 | Stskeeps | ah :P |
| 22:16.27 | qgil | there has been a lot of feedback about the kernel and then yerga had a look at Hildon too but... |
| 22:16.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, re the usb menu thing, can't you use ke-recv to do that? ke-recv is basically that, it runs usb-massstorage-enable.sh which does the work of insmodding g_file_storage |
| 22:16.43 | qgil | are you aware of feedback on all the rest in between? |
| 22:17.01 | Stskeeps | qgil: yeah, working hard on the rest personally |
| 22:17.22 | Stskeeps | .. but so far i don't see any bad things, - as a maemo developer, that is |
| 22:17.33 | qgil | not seeing any bad thing is good |
| 22:17.40 | qgil | what about seeing good things? :) |
| 22:18.04 | Stskeeps | oh, plenty - we're getting what was told at summit, so |
| 22:18.15 | Stskeeps | and those are postive developments |
| 22:18.16 | zakkm | jeward: it actually worked? |
| 22:18.27 | jeward | Yep! |
| 22:18.39 | lcuk | qgil, doesnt the summit seem like such a long time ago |
| 22:18.42 | jeward | I specifically had it install libdb4.2. |
| 22:18.48 | lcuk | cant wait for the next one :) |
| 22:18.52 | jeward | Then it automatically installed libxml2. |
| 22:19.01 | Stskeeps | qgil: i think most people are unsure what to think just yet as it is, a pre-alpha, and we don't know much about the actual tablet, and we don't know much about the new UI |
| 22:19.10 | qgil | I guess we'll need to pull the people around the upstream projects to find out if there is anything in the Fremantle implementation worth commenting |
| 22:19.11 | zakkm | lcuk: see it was safe :P |
| 22:19.16 | lardman | qgil: we're just waiting for Stskeeps to give us a decent Fremantle image to use ;) |
| 22:19.30 | lardman | come on Stskeeps! :) |
| 22:19.37 | zakkm | fremantle image? |
| 22:19.48 | lardman | well Mer with Fremantle components then |
| 22:19.51 | lcuk | i think the fremantle core shows one thing: nokia have been busy working on the new tablet for a while |
| 22:20.24 | lcuk | we are gonna have so much to play with \o/ |
| 22:20.44 | qgil | you're so obsessed about the new hardware... |
| 22:20.55 | Stskeeps | tablet lovers, all of us :P |
| 22:21.10 | lardman | qgil: of course, but new software is cool too |
| 22:21.28 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: you want to try Qalculate! ? |
| 22:21.33 | lcuk | heh - qgil :) as you know i work extremely hard to give maximum performance on this hardware and its gonna live for a long time - i just want a camera |
| 22:21.44 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, sure, please |
| 22:22.49 | qgil | It's a pity that the media application framework didn't make to this first release just for a bit since then the multimedia area would be basically complete |
| 22:22.56 | zakkm | will OMAP3 bring a huge boost? im trying to think if its worth waiting and get |
| 22:23.11 | zakkm | or just keep my nokia n800 and buy a cheap subnotebook or something |
| 22:23.20 | qgil | I expected more feedback in this area considering the amount of media players and codec lovers around, the dsp debates tc |
| 22:23.27 | Stskeeps | qgil: positive things: gcc4, updated gtk, gst-openmax, gupnp, clutter, matchbox wm 2, updated libhildon, new linux kernel, that it's 100% oss, the use of pulseaudio instead of esound, python in sdk.. |
| 22:23.46 | *** join/#maemo eichi_ (n=eichi@p5B202366.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:23.52 | Stskeeps | and dspbridge looks very nice too |
| 22:23.55 | qgil | python got there through the rear door, actually |
| 22:24.07 | zakkm | isnt pulseaudio very uhh high cpu compared to esound? |
| 22:24.21 | zakkm | it was for my desktop |
| 22:24.35 | zakkm | i guess they might add some hardware stuff so it doesnt, but just normally.. doesnt it?: |
| 22:24.38 | Stskeeps | depends on usage i guess |
| 22:24.41 | lardman | qgil: it's during the week, I've had day-job to do too! :) |
| 22:24.53 | qgil | aahhhh, true lardman :) |
| 22:25.13 | qgil | following ITt and this chatroom that is a detail easy to forget about many of you :) |
| 22:25.16 | Stskeeps | yeah, i was sitting half shell shocked in the middle of a class when the announcement came :P |
| 22:25.32 | lardman | we should probably do a wiki page saying what's new in Fremantle and how it will be cool, etc |
| 22:25.35 | lcuk | qgil - its the same for you though isnt it, you are off the clock now aren't you |
| 22:25.37 | zakkm | how old are all of you? |
| 22:25.39 | qgil | btw, thanks for all the time and enrgy you are putting on this |
| 22:25.47 | lardman | zakkm: 30 |
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| 22:25.53 | Stskeeps | zakkm: 24 |
| 22:26.05 | zakkm | wow maybe im too young for irc |
| 22:26.12 | Stskeeps | zakkm: i started on irc when i was 13 |
| 22:26.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:26.14 | zakkm | started at like 11 -.- |
| 22:26.19 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, 16 |
| 22:26.20 | zakkm | fine |
| 22:26.21 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: hmm, can I just stick up a straight feed or do I need random distro stuff too? |
| 22:26.26 | zakkm | too young for this channel ;p , im 17 |
| 22:26.36 | Stskeeps | pft :P |
| 22:26.37 | qgil | btw, do you know the creator of the IRC protocol wirks in the maemo SW team |
| 22:26.40 | qgil | works |
| 22:26.48 | Stskeeps | eh, jarkko? |
| 22:26.48 | zakkm | how many creators were there? |
| 22:26.49 | lardman | cool :) |
| 22:26.56 | Stskeeps | wasn't he in biology? :P |
| 22:26.56 | r2d2rogers | zakkm: 30 |
| 22:26.57 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, don't understand you, sorry? |
| 22:27.17 | qgil | Stskeeps: yes, perhaps you even find his name in the changelogs you are scanning these days |
| 22:27.19 | ^Tux^ | watch out.. Sts will get a big head if you brag of his whorage of the IRC protocol |
| 22:27.20 | ^Tux^ | ;P |
| 22:27.27 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: well I have feed/*.deb atm, do I need some sort of /diablo/ stuff in there? |
| 22:27.53 | lardman | knows nothing much about packaging, we should hire someone ;) |
| 22:28.07 | zakkm | wasnt that proposed? |
| 22:28.09 | zakkm | on maemo.org? |
| 22:28.14 | lardman | yes, I'm joking |
| 22:28.26 | zakkm | if i learn, would you guys hire me? :P |
| 22:28.35 | Stskeeps | qgil: interesting tidbit |
| 22:28.36 | lcuk | qgil, thanks go to you and your team also - we might have different focus and drive but the goal is the same: a nokia/maemo device in our hands |
| 22:28.47 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, i'm more of a packager than a repo manager :/. pm me (or whatever) with a link to the repo |
| 22:28.54 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: is the debootstrap pacakse supposed to create /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/jaunty? |
| 22:29.22 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: hang on, will scan this quickly http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto |
| 22:29.26 | qgil | speaking of IRC, Soumya & co had also a funny time getting the RTCom stuff out in this first release |
| 22:29.34 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: no, just refer directly to the jaunty debootstrap file |
| 22:29.35 | r2d2rogers | wishes he could blame line noise for his garbled typing |
| 22:29.44 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: there's a debootstrap package on ports.ubuntu.com |
| 22:29.51 | qgil | and this is another part not tied to hardware or ui |
| 22:29.57 | andre__ | hi qgil, do you know if there's some kind of versioning system for the fremantle alphas planned, |
| 22:30.05 | lardman | qgil: will location info now I hope? :) |
| 22:30.07 | andre__ | or if stuff in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ will be just added every week? |
| 22:30.11 | lardman | s/will/with |
| 22:30.12 | andre__ | in the same dir |
| 22:30.19 | lcuk | andre__, yes, this is the first - there will be a second, followed by a third :P |
| 22:30.30 | qgil | andre__: mmmm not yet - I was thinking about this specially when the weekly releases arrive |
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| 22:31.15 | qgil | andre__: now is the right time to discuss all this |
| 22:31.19 | andre__ | qgil, just wondering about bug reports - the date they were filed of course works somehow(TM) and it would be less work for me to not create new versions every week :-P |
| 22:31.35 | lcuk | right, ill bbl ive got some coding to be doing :) cyas later folks |
| 22:31.37 | andre__ | on the other hand it can increase confusion sometimes |
| 22:31.41 | qgil | andre__: whatever works best for you |
| 22:32.05 | andre__ | heh... i can live with anything, as long as i don't have to change the names later on |
| 22:32.15 | andre__ | so how do i call this version? 5.0prealpha? |
| 22:32.28 | andre__ | and what comes next in a few weeks? 5.0alpha? |
| 22:32.29 | qgil | 5.0prealpha1? |
| 22:32.48 | andre__ | (problem will be that the sorting of versions will be alphabetic) |
| 22:32.56 | qgil | alpha = API complete and it will take more than one go |
| 22:33.06 | andre__ | bugzilla does not support non-alphabetic version sorting (only for target milestones) |
| 22:33.31 | andre__ | so 5.0prealpha will be after 5.0alpha in the dropdown :-/ |
| 22:33.56 | r2d2rogers | Retrieving Packages ... |
| 22:34.01 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/diablo/stable/main/binary-armel/ |
| 22:34.09 | qgil | andre__: if you think my brain can gt any useful thought at this time of my long day... ;) |
| 22:34.11 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: remembered to put swap on? |
| 22:34.11 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: still uploading, make of the structure what you will :) |
| 22:34.20 | andre__ | qgil, want a beer too? :-) |
| 22:34.22 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, thanks :) |
| 22:34.27 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yessir |
| 22:34.32 | qgil | not a beer but a bed |
| 22:34.34 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: good, let's see where it goes :P |
| 22:34.36 | qgil | spaking of which... |
| 22:34.39 | andre__ | no need to decide today :) |
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| 22:34.56 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: and let me know what works for you in ham |
| 22:34.56 | mike_xcr | how i install e17 on my n800 ? |
| 22:35.06 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: also remembered to wipe deblet from the partition first ;) |
| 22:35.11 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: always good |
| 22:35.22 | qgil | anyway, good night! |
| 22:35.27 | andre__ | good night! |
| 22:35.27 | Stskeeps | goodnight qgil! |
| 22:35.33 | lardman | night qgil |
| 22:35.39 | *** part/#maemo qgil (n=qgil@a88-112-27-165.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 22:35.47 | lardman | mike_xcr: where have you heard about this? |
| 22:36.49 | r2d2rogers | doh |
| 22:36.51 | r2d2rogers | reboot |
| 22:37.05 | r2d2rogers | will double check swap <G> |
| 22:37.06 | mike_xcr | lardman: wait sec |
| 22:37.34 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: 770 is definately an area tar.gz might be considered.. |
| 22:37.35 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.36 | lardman | mike_xcr: I mean as an Angstrom image, or packages to install on a maemo system? |
| 22:38.00 | mike_xcr | lardman: http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News |
| 22:38.00 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: fineshed uploading, please give it a go |
| 22:38.23 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, cool trying it out. thanks! |
| 22:38.49 | lardman | mike_xcr: that screenshot is from a PC you know |
| 22:39.16 | lardman | mike_xcr: best idea is to try an Angstrom image, though you'll find the battery life isn't good |
| 22:39.19 | mike_xcr | lardman: search Sunday, 17 June 2007 on this page |
| 22:39.51 | Stskeeps | so, no comments on the draft? :P |
| 22:39.54 | lardman | 2007! |
| 22:40.04 | lcuk | LAG! |
| 22:40.49 | lcuk | damn this irc, ill bb tomorrow |
| 22:40.52 | lardman | mike_xcr: no e17 on that page |
| 22:40.56 | r2d2rogers | o/ reboot loops FTL |
| 22:40.57 | lardman | or the two either side |
| 22:41.22 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you didn't install accidentially to your jffs, did you? :P |
| 22:41.33 | lardman | anyway, you'll still need to try an Angstrom imahe |
| 22:41.40 | mike_xcr | ok |
| 22:41.49 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: nope it's the media find thig again I think |
| 22:41.54 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:41.58 | r2d2rogers | took out the card to kill it |
| 22:42.17 | lardman | mike_xcr: which means you'll need to build it yourself I guess, as the Nokia devices aren't available in the feeds any more |
| 22:42.20 | mike_xcr | lardman: i have - maybe impossible - question, can i get xfce or icewm on my n800? |
| 22:42.25 | lardman | mike_xcr: sorry I can't be of more help |
| 22:42.32 | mike_xcr | lardman: ok :-) |
| 22:42.35 | lardman | mike_xcr: yes, that you can do with deblet |
| 22:42.41 | lardman | I think |
| 22:42.45 | lardman | Stskeeps ? |
| 22:42.52 | Stskeeps | lardman: yeah |
| 22:42.58 | lardman | see above |
| 22:44.20 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I need to Hildonise it, that menu takes up too much space |
| 22:45.14 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, directory structure is a little funky, i'm still wrestling in vain trying to get the app manager to see it |
| 22:45.20 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, heh :) |
| 22:45.21 | lardman | lol |
| 22:46.26 | lardman | what about just the url, no other params? |
| 22:46.54 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, you'll need to make http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/diablo into http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo |
| 22:47.12 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, apt insists on using dists :/ |
| 22:47.29 | lardman | done |
| 22:47.34 | qwerty12_N800 | thanks |
| 22:47.56 | lardman | hmm, ham checking for updates can't be cancelled, sounds bug-like to me |
| 22:48.54 | qwerty12_N800 | time to go into red pill :) |
| 22:48.54 | lardman | does anyone know how to structure a debian repo? |
| 22:50.02 | lardman | hang on, will try to tweak dir struct |
| 22:54.24 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, you'll need to update packages.gz to reflect the new directory structure |
| 22:54.36 | lardman | ah |
| 22:54.45 | lardman | that may be difficult |
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| 22:55.32 | qwerty12_N800 | no problems, i'll use wget & dpkg :p |
| 22:55.33 | lardman | you sure? |
| 22:56.14 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yep, i can add the repo fine ; just when downloading, i get a package not found |
| 22:56.16 | lardman | I think Packages.gz us ok, probably in the wrong sections mind you |
| 22:56.51 | r2d2rogers | round 2, bootstrap! |
| 22:57.00 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hmm, i see, you're right. lemme clean it out here |
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| 22:57.31 | lardman | try adding::: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/, diablo, main |
| 22:57.43 | qwerty12_N800 | done that :) |
| 22:58.28 | lardman | hates Debian packaging |
| 22:58.59 | lardman | ok, looks like it works from red pill mode for me |
| 22:59.40 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, think it's messing me around..i'll just use dpkg |
| 23:00.11 | lardman | do try an apt-get, see what it says |
| 23:01.04 | mike_xcr | ok guys, i go, bye :-) |
| 23:01.16 | lardman | bye mike_xcr |
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| 23:01.45 | lardman | wonders if omap3 pvr patch will give insight into the omap2 situation |
| 23:02.02 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, "Failed to fetch http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/./qalculate-gtk_0.9.6-2_armel.deb 404 Not Found" which is B.S because "deb http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/ diablo main" |
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| 23:02.37 | lardman | strange |
| 23:02.40 | lardman | sorry |
| 23:03.05 | lardman | just grab cln, qalculate-gtk & lib |
| 23:03.06 | qwerty12_N800 | np, the problem is on my side :) |
| 23:03.14 | lardman | the other deps are for giac |
| 23:03.25 | lardman | I don;t think qalculate even wanted gmp this time |
| 23:05.48 | zakkm | nokia 770? isnt it too slow to do stuff? :P |
| 23:05.53 | zakkm | my old n770 was reallyy slow |
| 23:07.15 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yay! works nicely :p. just edit the corresponding Makefile.[.in & .am] and add a /hildon on the end of desktop_DIR :p |
| 23:07.24 | lardman | zakkm: old name, as I started doing this back then :) |
| 23:07.44 | lardman | ok, can do that easily |
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| 23:09.10 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I see nothing like that anywhere |
| 23:10.06 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hrm, it may be added differently. you'll figure it out way before then, but i'll look tomorrow |
| 23:11.51 | lardman | dunno about that :D |
| 23:12.26 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P |
| 23:12.38 | r2d2rogers | zakkm: I'm attempting to get Mer on my 770 right now |
| 23:12.51 | zakkm | ah |
| 23:13.09 | qwerty12_N800 | but yeah, the size of those menus! :p |
| 23:13.13 | lardman | aargh, why are all the dev docs on maemo.org pdfs now? |
| 23:13.34 | lardman | I'm looking for the tutorial to work out how to Hildonise, can't find the bloody thing any more |
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| 23:15.49 | zakkm | lardman: http://umeguide.net/C/ch07s04.html ? |
| 23:16.30 | lardman | found it under maemo 4.0 |
| 23:16.33 | lardman | thanks tho |
| 23:18.07 | Stskeeps | ponders how much of a problem it will be that we probably can't redistribute nokia imagery |
| 23:18.30 | zakkm | ? |
| 23:18.39 | Stskeeps | community edition |
| 23:18.54 | zakkm | why dont they let us |
| 23:18.58 | zakkm | its not like we wont evantually? |
| 23:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | shoots daggers at lardman. :P |
| 23:19.25 | Stskeeps | lo GA |
| 23:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 23:20.15 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Project_Draft , more scratch stuff |
| 23:20.39 | lardman | hey GA |
| 23:20.43 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, repository.maemo.org/community was already essentially agreed upon |
| 23:20.52 | Stskeeps | alright, sounds good |
| 23:21.01 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, it's our fracking server and we'll put whatever the frack we want on it. :P |
| 23:21.11 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, let me know how it goes, i could hildonize (or ratherm attempt to - my success rate varies depending on the program) parts and clean up the packaging a bit |
| 23:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, as for the scrum, I'd just as soon clone the maemo.org infrastructure and continue using it. |
| 23:21.43 | zakkm | Id like to learn Mer Testing :) |
| 23:21.44 | Stskeeps | k |
| 23:21.47 | zakkm | join* |
| 23:22.07 | GeneralAntilles | Though clearly you've become attached to Jaiku, so maybe maintain that as another, finer (and optional), layer of granularity on reporting. |
| 23:22.10 | Stskeeps | hehe, so far just a draft, zakkm, but testing will definately be needed |
| 23:22.25 | zakkm | i like saying whats wrong with stuff :) |
| 23:22.27 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, and im not 100% sure jaiku is the best thing |
| 23:22.30 | zakkm | and how it should be improved ;p |
| 23:22.39 | Stskeeps | it's the facility of microblogging im fond of |
| 23:22.41 | lardman | hildon-1 is called something else now isn't it? |
| 23:22.56 | Stskeeps | libhildon1 or something |
| 23:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, when you hit me with that earlier draft, I was thinking the Mer council was actually a separate council. |
| 23:23.23 | lardman | oh no, it seems to be there actually |
| 23:23.26 | lardman | weird |
| 23:23.34 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: oh, i actually say maemo council in all of mine |
| 23:23.35 | GeneralAntilles | Which was actually good, since I wasn't totally keen on deciding a direction for Mer. :P |
| 23:23.55 | Stskeeps | it was just to glue mer into the maemo.org organisation |
| 23:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | I'm plenty happy to play the PR and business manager, though. ;) |
| 23:24.13 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 23:24.34 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, it doesn't actually matter. |
| 23:24.37 | zakkm | im happy to take all the donations :) |
| 23:24.52 | Stskeeps | but there might be a need for a mer council or the likes / council of team leaders or something |
| 23:24.54 | Stskeeps | to cooperate |
| 23:25.03 | GeneralAntilles | Mer gets to use the Council name for glue and a little extra brand boost, and you guys get to do whatever the fuck you want. ;) |
| 23:25.09 | lardman | Stskeeps: a "working group" :) |
| 23:25.14 | Stskeeps | yeah :P |
| 23:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat now occupies 90% of my Jaiku updates |
| 23:28.18 | Stskeeps | saw his comment on you? :P |
| 23:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | I think I need some more talkative contacts, or maybe just more contacts, or maybe an "only every 5th" for Texrat. |
| 23:28.48 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no, missed it. |
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| 23:29.03 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=248314&postcount=99 <- this one, i meant :) |
| 23:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 23:31.50 | zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Internet:Microb_Tweaks do the about:config still apply? |
| 23:32.02 | zakkm | Speed tweaks specific for the Internet Tablets: **** |
| 23:33.29 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I give up |
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| 23:33.45 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: can't find the examples I was looking for about what needs to be replaced to Hildonise it |
| 23:35.09 | qwerty12_N801 | lardman, i'll have a go tomorrow, if i succeed, you get a patch :) |
| 23:36.08 | lardman | cool, will upload the source in a mo |
| 23:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | Where should I put this email bug. . . . |
| 23:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | andre__! |
| 23:37.00 | lardman | except Nautilus is playing silly-buggers with its backend (sftp that is) |
| 23:37.00 | qwerty12_N801 | lardman, no need to tell me... |
| 23:38.13 | Stskeeps | heads to bed |
| 23:40.02 | lardman | ~lart bloody Nautilus for randomly being crap and not saying why! |
| 23:40.02 | infobot | stuffs bloody Nautilus into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it for randomly being crap and not saying why! |
| 23:41.52 | lardman | qwerty12_N801: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/ |
| 23:42.27 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: one thing people completely missed out on is that nokia starts giving us 100% open source wifi driver.. |
| 23:42.33 | qwerty12_N801 | thanks lardman, i'll note that :) |
| 23:42.41 | Stskeeps | and that's a big move too |
| 23:43.02 | Stskeeps | like, from the start |
| 23:45.46 | lardman | qwerty12_N801: np |
| 23:46.16 | lardman | qwerty12_N801: I can give you the cln source and qalculate source too if you want to stick it in extras (but tell me how as you do it so I know for next time) |
| 23:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, I noticed that. |
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| 23:49.53 | jakemaheu | oh hai |
| 23:50.00 | qwerty12_N801 | lardman, Hmm, dunno, having it in extras would be nice... but for now, if you don't mind, we'll use your repo as qalculate extras-devel :p |
| 23:50.20 | lardman | yeah fine by me |
| 23:50.33 | lardman | we should hildonise it first anyway, I'll look into that tomorrow |
| 23:50.38 | jakemaheu | does anyone know where i can get fsdisk for diablo? |
| 23:51.40 | jakemaheu | or some other partitioning utility |
| 23:51.44 | lardman | qwerty12_N801: btw, it won't be rip-roaringly, ring-stingingly fast yet as I need to compile libm with vfp and do some LD_LIBRARY_PATH trickery to get it to use that one |
| 23:53.06 | qwerty12_N801 | lardman, heh, it's not at a bad speed already (bearing in mind testing = 1 +1) :p |
| 23:53.35 | lardman | depends if you use trig fns, and the like, unless they have been replaced by cln (not sure about that) |
| 23:53.52 | lardman | where and the like: exp(), sqrt(), log/ln() |
| 23:54.24 | lardman | right, bed time for me, see you all tomorrow |
| 23:54.36 | qwerty12_N801 | night lardman |
| 23:55.34 | jakemaheu | anyone? |
| 23:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | I wish we could get rid of that silly profanity filter on itT. |
| 23:55.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's so silly. . . . |
| 23:56.35 | qwerty12_N801 | GeneralAntilles, at least Reggie doesn't care if you "circumvent" it... |
| 23:57.16 | jakemaheu | i need to format my memory card so that I have four partitions: a user-space one on mmcblk0p1, an empty one on mmcblk0p2, a linux83 fs on mmcblk0p3, and another empty one on mmcblk0p4 |
| 23:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N801, yeah, I've know a few places to be a bit extreme about that. |
| 23:57.38 | jakemaheu | i have e2fsprogs installed |
| 23:58.25 | jakemaheu | any ideas? |
| 23:58.32 | GeneralAntilles | wishes qwerty12_N801 would give us a nice partitioning application. :P |
| 23:58.42 | jakemaheu | wishes someone could help, lol |
| 23:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | sfdisk |
| 23:58.54 | jakemaheu | really? |
| 23:58.57 | qwerty12_N801 | GeneralAntilles, i put cfdisk & parted in extras-devel :p |
| 23:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card |
| 23:59.19 | jakemaheu | @GeneralAntilles: I love you. |
| 23:59.40 | jakemaheu | Also, where abouts in MI do you live-- I'm in Port Huron |
| 23:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N801, I haven't looked at penguinbait's new "management tools" |
| 23:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | Any good? |
| 23:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody lives in MI? |
