| 00:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | maemo-mini-curl |
| 00:00.11 | zakkm | whats that |
| 00:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | wget alternative |
| 00:01.11 | zakkm | is it gui or console based? |
| 00:01.25 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: odd statistics that could be nice to have - how many % of bug reports lay in OSS components |
| 00:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, console |
| 00:02.10 | zakkm | is it worth using 48mhz kernel if i boot from a 4gb class 6 SDHC ? |
| 00:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, coerce andre into including it in his reports. :P |
| 00:02.30 | zakkm | thinking of reflashing my nokia |
| 00:02.33 | zakkm | its gotten so messed |
| 00:03.53 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: alright, ta. is interesting from pov of how much community "could do on their own" |
| 00:03.54 | ShadowJK | microb has issues with downloading anyhow, it has a 5 sec network read timeout that it applies to downloads, so if you happen to be browsing something at the same time, or launching another app, microb might not be able to execute within that 5 second window, especially if there's some swapfile use too... |
| 00:04.26 | zakkm | yeah |
| 00:04.30 | zakkm | mine used to suddenly stop |
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| 00:04.47 | zakkm | i want to make a txt file on my pc of direct links, send txt over to nokia and use wget -c |
| 00:04.47 | ShadowJK | And resume doesn't work for me after upgrading to diablo |
| 00:04.52 | zakkm | and make it read from text file |
| 00:05.07 | ShadowJK | (the resume bug is in bugzilla, I checked) |
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| 00:07.01 | zakkm | can anyone send me a guide to install 48mhz kernel please :) |
| 00:12.08 | l7 | why would you want a 48mhz kernel? more battery life in exchange for less speed? |
| 00:12.31 | zakkm | i thought 48mhz = faster speed? |
| 00:12.39 | zakkm | i thought it was other way around |
| 00:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | l7, 48MHz effectively overclocks the SD interface |
| 00:14.23 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think there's an appreciable battery life impact. |
| 00:14.33 | l7 | ah |
| 00:15.03 | zakkm | i use cloned to SD.. |
| 00:15.05 | zakkm | i boot off SD |
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| 00:15.12 | zakkm | wouldnt it help having that kernel then? |
| 00:15.50 | l7 | i wonder if it would be possible to release an iso or distro of maemo with all these customizations |
| 00:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the issue is less with what the community'd be able to fix and more with there being a lot of disincentive to fixing because it's A. unlikely that Nokia will even include the patch and B. we still don't have a very good idea of what Nokia's future plans are. |
| 00:16.13 | GeneralAntilles | Take the Fremantle transition as it stands now |
| 00:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they could go patch city |
| 00:16.26 | zakkm | release a iso |
| 00:16.27 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:16.29 | GeneralAntilles | but, particularly with UI stuff, we don't yet know what's going to happen |
| 00:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | l7, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_Community_distribution |
| 00:16.50 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: should i install 48mhz, ? |
| 00:16.52 | l7 | ah neat |
| 00:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, either your card will work with it or it wont |
| 00:17.03 | GeneralAntilles | I'd try it and see what happens |
| 00:17.09 | zakkm | if it does work |
| 00:17.13 | zakkm | is it worth it? |
| 00:17.16 | zakkm | more pros than cons? |
| 00:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, Nokia's current setup just plain sucks for accepting patches. |
| 00:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | We're so far behind the current development with the release we get. . . . |
| 00:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, cons are: your card may not be compatible |
| 00:18.04 | GeneralAntilles | pros are: you may get faster speeds |
| 00:18.05 | zakkm | but l7 is talking about lower battery life |
| 00:18.09 | zakkm | i like my battery life |
| 00:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | There's no battery life impact |
| 00:18.24 | zakkm | i know, but example |
| 00:19.11 | lcuk | o rly? mmm up the frequency and not effect battery life. magic |
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| 00:19.36 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what I mean is: the effect on battery life is trivial |
| 00:19.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's another one of those race-to-idle situations, anyway. |
| 00:19.50 | lcuk | :D thatl do for me |
| 00:21.33 | zakkm | where would i find the kernel i want? |
| 00:21.43 | GeneralAntilles | outpo.st/rotate |
| 00:22.02 | zakkm | thanks and uhh is rotate like on and off? |
| 00:22.06 | zakkm | is it easily toggable? |
| 00:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's totally transparent if you don't use it. |
| 00:22.34 | zakkm | i know but iwant to see what its like |
| 00:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | There are 4 little buttons in adv-backlight. |
| 00:24.04 | zakkm | You can also manually install the kernel with rotation and 48Mhz patch or one WITHOUT the 48Mhz patch, as well as the patched xserver. |
| 00:24.13 | zakkm | do i do the one with 48mhz, then install patched xserver? |
| 00:24.40 | robink | There were 3 android phones at the party I went to |
| 00:24.53 | robink | I was the only person with a Nokia anything |
| 00:28.11 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: do i install kernel with rotation and 48mhz patch AND patched xserver |
| 00:28.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 00:28.53 | zakkm | do i install kernel then patched xserver? |
| 00:29.08 | zakkm | sorry i screw up nokia stuff so much |
| 00:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | Open the appropriate .intsall |
| 00:29.35 | GeneralAntilles | then run apt-get install rotation-support-n800 |
| 00:29.42 | zakkm | the .install is just for rotation |
| 00:29.44 | zakkm | not 48mhz? |
| 00:30.43 | zakkm | unable to install kernel-flasher-diablo |
| 00:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | then run apt-get install rotation-support-n800 |
| 00:31.56 | disco_stu | zakkm: i installed that thing and the 48mhz didnt come i guess |
| 00:32.10 | zakkm | i want 48mhz |
| 00:32.35 | GeneralAntilles | Then download and flash the 48MHz kernel when you're done. |
| 00:32.40 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 00:32.41 | infobot | well, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 00:33.43 | zakkm | think i should reclone to SD |
| 00:33.46 | zakkm | from internal |
| 00:33.50 | zakkm | and then do everything from beginning |
| 00:33.51 | zakkm | nice and clean |
| 00:36.43 | disco_stu | i want to install kde in my other card now |
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| 00:37.12 | disco_stu | but it seems the installer will use internal |
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| 00:53.57 | lcuk | :( a sad sad day. http://othernews.uk.myway.com/article//20081208/A9763401228595967A00.html good job im too poorly to want any |
| 00:55.16 | zakkm | :( |
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| 01:02.03 | disco_stu | zakkm: whats up dude |
| 01:02.17 | zakkm | trying to install 48mhz kernel |
| 01:02.20 | zakkm | having no success |
| 01:02.45 | disco_stu | i wanna try kde |
| 01:02.55 | zakkm | whats stopping you?? |
| 01:03.30 | disco_stu | the thing is the installer "installs it" to the sd where you are booting |
| 01:03.37 | disco_stu | i want to install in the other |
| 01:04.34 | zakkm | switch sd card slots, and run the installer from flash? |
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| 01:05.23 | disco_stu | no, the installer will always install to where you are bootin from |
| 01:06.11 | zakkm | thats a bad installer |
| 01:06.14 | zakkm | ;p |
| 01:06.34 | disco_stu | yeah |
| 01:06.45 | l7 | you could clone your boot partition |
| 01:06.54 | lcuk | cant you boot into it and then install |
| 01:07.07 | lcuk | so then it would know where you are |
| 01:08.07 | disco_stu | i've already clonned |
| 01:08.23 | disco_stu | but i want kde in the other card |
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| 01:22.40 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people insist on putting their replies ABOVE the quoted text on itT? |
| 01:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, it's one thing in email where most clients position your cursor there anyway |
| 01:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | but you have to ACTIVELY reposition the quote block and your cursor to reply above the quoted text in forums. <_< |
| 01:25.27 | lcuk | gan i think its because of the default tiny little edit window - i know it can be made bigger but the setting is not persistant |
| 01:25.40 | GeneralAntilles | You need a real browser. ;) |
| 01:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | I can resize the text boxes in mine. |
| 01:26.03 | lcuk | i can in itt |
| 01:26.13 | lcuk | but the default is too small |
| 01:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have a problem with it. |
| 01:26.31 | lcuk | and your real browser, where does it store this data |
| 01:26.43 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't store it |
| 01:26.53 | GeneralAntilles | You just drag a little tab in the bottom right corner to resize the box |
| 01:26.55 | lcuk | so you have to resize every time you use it |
| 01:26.56 | GeneralAntilles | Just like any window |
| 01:27.08 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, 90% of the time I don't |
| 01:27.11 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's really plenty of space |
| 01:27.14 | lcuk | on itt tin the top right theres clickers for bigger smaller |
| 01:27.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know. |
| 01:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, I don't really buy that argument. |
| 01:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | It automatically places your cursor in the right place |
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| 01:28.05 | lcuk | tis personal observation - tbh most of the time a full block quote of the previous comment is not required anyway |
| 01:28.27 | GeneralAntilles | Well, yeah, that's the other place they tend to fail. |
| 01:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | But one issue at a time. ;) |
| 01:28.37 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 01:29.09 | lcuk | i cant shake this horrid head and bleugh feeling, had a big brazilian meal last night and ive suffered all day |
| 01:29.13 | lcuk | im off back to bed |
| 01:30.45 | pupnik | cheers lcuk |
| 01:31.10 | lcuk | cheers? |
| 01:32.49 | pupnik | well good rest then |
| 01:33.03 | lcuk | yeah dude, catch up with you another time |
| 01:33.28 | pupnik | <- makes some rice and turkey breast and stir-fry vegetables |
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| 01:42.35 | bef0rd | hola |
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| 01:49.41 | zakkm | how come i cant install kernel-diablo-flasher on nokia? |
| 01:49.47 | zakkm | the deb package |
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| 01:58.27 | zakkm | what does Failed writing body mean |
| 01:58.37 | zakkm | im trying to do rotation from maemo-mini-curl |
| 02:00.16 | bef0rd | maybe not enough free space to save the files |
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| 02:00.47 | zakkm | got cnflict problem now |
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| 02:15.46 | zakkm | could anyone help me get 48mhz kernel? |
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| 02:22.15 | zakkm | is it safe to uninstall osso-software-version-rx34 |
| 02:23.21 | bef0rd | I *think* so, but that will leave you without SSU updates |
| 02:24.17 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, jott's package installs everything you need. . . . |
| 02:24.19 | bef0rd | There is a package provided by jott that replaces it, and let you do whatever you were trying to do, and it also let you uses SSU |
| 02:25.02 | zakkm | jott's package? |
| 02:25.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://outpo.st/rotate/kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200835maemo1rotationfast_all.deb |
| 02:25.13 | zakkm | it wont let me install that |
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| 02:25.40 | zakkm | i dont need ssu updates? |
| 02:25.45 | GeneralAntilles | Did you apt-get install rotation-support-n800 like I told you to? |
| 02:25.50 | zakkm | yeah |
| 02:25.55 | zakkm | bui get the flash and reboot |
| 02:25.56 | zakkm | thingy |
| 02:25.58 | zakkm | reading blog now |
| 02:26.00 | zakkm | ahh itt |
| 02:26.07 | zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22099 |
| 02:27.05 | zakkm | i think im good now :) |
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| 02:28.16 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: i did clone to sd again like 30min ago, and hildon desktop still takes 24mb according to load-applet |
| 02:28.32 | zakkm | "unable to install kernel-diablo-flasher. incompatible application package." |
| 02:29.43 | zakkm | reading and flashing kernel image, image sucessfully flashed |
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| 02:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, good times: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247685#post247685 |
| 02:41.12 | GeneralAntilles | "jargon and developing" |
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| 05:33.13 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 05:38.31 | Myrtti | MOO |
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| 05:38.32 | bombas | Hello Maemo!! |
| 05:38.32 | r2d2rogers | Myrtti: baaa |
| 05:38.34 | r2d2rogers | Myrtti: "three singing pigs go Laaa laa laa." |
| 05:38.35 | r2d2rogers | oh wait... sorry my wife did bedtime stories tonight ;) |
| 05:38.35 | Myrtti | r2d2rogers: don't make me laugh like that, I've slept two hours and almost snorted coffee out my nose |
| 05:38.35 | r2d2rogers | \o/ |
| 05:38.37 | bombas | E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user. |
| 05:39.36 | r2d2rogers | Myrtti: to the baa or the pigs? |
| 05:39.37 | bombas | please help whats needs to done! |
| 05:40.04 | r2d2rogers | bombas: Sorry I haven't managed to get scratcbox working lately, I'm gonna be working more with Mer and my 770 |
| 05:44.28 | bombas | r2d2rogers: thanks for the reply. So is there any old builds/tools i can install for maemo setup? |
| 05:46.27 | r2d2rogers | bombas: what are you wanting to do? |
| 05:47.30 | r2d2rogers | ~development |
| 05:48.20 | infobot | methinks development is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20to%20compile%20applications%20and%20develop%20for%20the%20iPAQ |
| 05:49.04 | r2d2rogers | wow |
| 05:49.05 | r2d2rogers | for the iPAQ |
| 05:50.19 | GeneralAntilles | r2d2rogers, infobot is in several channels |
| 05:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org/development |
| 05:50.30 | r2d2rogers | ahha |
| 05:50.31 | r2d2rogers | thanks |
| 05:50.39 | r2d2rogers | ~maemo.org/development |
| 05:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-dev is http://maemo.org/development |
| 05:51.20 | infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles |
| 05:51.42 | r2d2rogers | thank you GeneralAntilles |
| 05:51.53 | r2d2rogers | bombas: does that help you any? ^^^ |
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| 05:53.27 | andrewfblack | Hello |
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| 05:56.30 | l7 | ~remove xterm-scrollbar |
| 05:57.18 | l7 | ~removing xterm-scrollbar |
| 05:57.19 | l7 | hrm, what did i name that thing? |
| 05:57.19 | l7 | ~removing osso-scrollbar |
| 05:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | ~remove-osso-scrollbar |
| 05:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | ~osso-scrollbar-remove |
| 05:57.59 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently nothing sensible. :P |
| 05:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | But it has to be all one word |
| 05:59.06 | RST38h | moo, General |
| 05:59.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, RST38h. |
| 05:59.46 | l7 | ~removing-xterm-scrollbar |
| 05:59.51 | l7 | ~remove-xterm-scrollbar |
| 05:59.52 | infobot | i heard remove-xterm-scrollbar is "gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0" |
| 06:00.01 | l7 | ah thanks :) |
| 06:00.26 | l7 | is there a way to get an index from infobot? |
| 06:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | Not that I know of |
| 06:13.00 | bombas | r2d2rogers: I want to setup maemo SDK. while doing that, i was getting some errors and solutions along, i kept fixing them till I stuck at this error "E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user.". is there a alternative way? |
| 06:14.34 | r2d2rogers | That I don't know, sorry |
| 06:15.39 | bombas | r2d2rogers: ok no issues. thanks! |
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| 06:38.27 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is the imager you gave me about 2 days ago outdated? |
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| 06:47.04 | Meiz_n810 | has to re-install Mer again... |
| 06:47.50 | r2d2rogers | Meiz_n810: I'm trying now on 770 |
| 06:48.33 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 06:48.41 | Meiz_n810 | good luck :) |
| 06:48.55 | r2d2rogers | thanks |
| 06:49.14 | Meiz_n810 | This time i'll try ubuntu-MID packages |
| 06:51.25 | l7 | ~mer |
| 06:51.46 | infobot | from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) |
| 06:52.45 | l7 | hmm, too bad it's not Maemo Reloaded |
| 06:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Too many horrible, horrible Matrix associations. |
| 06:53.30 | Myrtti | Follow The White Bunny |
| 06:54.16 | l7 | heh |
| 06:54.45 | l7 | Follow The White Bunny? |
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| 07:03.29 | Myrtti | well, bunnies are so much cuter than plain rabbits |
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| 07:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | Comment #3 is kind of a sad thought: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/the-cardinal-sin-of-scratchbox-a-backhanded-stab-at-the-maemo-sdk-and-the-promise-of-a-pot-of-gold/ |
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| 07:55.32 | Sargun | When is the new Nokia coming!? |
| 07:56.16 | bergie | Sargun: I don't think there is any definitive information about that :-) |
| 07:57.14 | Proteous | cries |
| 07:57.54 | Sargun | noooooo |
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| 08:05.09 | bergie | though, if the new nokia, whenever it comes out, is anyway similar to N97, I'd be happy |
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| 08:09.09 | Shezi | Hi, I want to know about File Manager metadata extraction.? How it extracts and where it stores the extracted metadata?A |
| 08:09.12 | vincenzo88 | Hello |
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| 08:59.13 | Shezi | is the trackerd daemon uses sqlite to store metadata information |
| 08:59.13 | Shezi | ? |
| 08:59.19 | Shezi | when the files are indexed |
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| 09:04.55 | qwerty12 | m-vo, is there plans to bring back the diablo branch of h-a-m? http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager is NOT a diablo branch and hence fails compiling under a diablo sdk. I would like to be able to do a "svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/hildon-app-mgr/branches/2.1.x/" which had the real diablo h-a-m but instead I get a README telling me to go to gitorious to download the fremantle version. What gives? |
| 09:05.56 | qwerty12 | Ahh, I'm being thick. Sorry, http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager/repos/mainline/trees/release_diablo |
| 09:06.09 | qwerty12 | Be nice if that readme pointed directly there :) |
| 09:06.13 | aquatix | gives qwerty12 a nice cup of coffee/tea |
| 09:06.26 | aquatix | (cross through what's not to your liking) |
| 09:06.33 | qwerty12 | Thanks aquatix :D |
| 09:06.37 | aquatix | yw :) |
| 09:06.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch. <_< http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager/repos/mainline/trees/release_diablo/catpo |
| 09:07.10 | qwerty12 | s/Able/Abel/g :) |
| 09:08.30 | qwerty12 | Now that I'm up; I may as well compile the latest h-a-m. |
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| 09:16.03 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: can you upload latest imager tar.gz? |
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| 09:21.41 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, sec, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-imager-20081207-2126.tar.gz |
| 09:21.45 | Stskeeps | is the latest one |
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| 09:22.41 | qwerty12 | ffs, git is a nice way to fucking piss you off |
| 09:23.25 | glass_ | "but it's so fast" |
| 09:23.31 | glass_ | "look at these stats" |
| 09:23.37 | qwerty12 | it's so anal retentive |
| 09:25.25 | w00t | what's up? |
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| 09:26.10 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: thanks |
| 09:26.50 | qwerty12 | All I want is the release_diablo branch/tree/whateverthefuckitiscalled and I keep getting the mainline. I've tried a shit ton of variations on the git command to no avail |
| 09:27.33 | Stskeeps | git clone <url> <branch>? |
| 09:27.38 | Stskeeps | .. dunno |
| 09:27.41 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I've tried that |
| 09:27.57 | qwerty12 | git just makes a new fucking folder and gets mainline |
| 09:28.13 | qwerty12 | at least with fucking svn, all that entails is /branches/2.1.x |
| 09:31.07 | pupnik | "Bank robbery is a dilletantish trade. Real pros found a bank." - Berthold Brecht |
| 09:32.28 | AStorm | qwerty12, can't use git properly, you? |
| 09:32.35 | qwerty12 | AStorm, yep |
| 09:32.41 | AStorm | the only thing it needs is partial pull |
| 09:32.53 | qwerty12 | Tell me more :) |
| 09:33.06 | AStorm | I don't know how to make a shallow clone :) |
| 09:33.12 | AStorm | about what? |
| 09:33.26 | qwerty12 | Heh, nothing, thanks for the pointer :) |
| 09:34.09 | AStorm | qwerty12, ah, you want to pull something#branch |
| 09:34.28 | AStorm | or use git remote to set the branch |
| 09:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, what's responsible for the "unplug your wallwart or bring about the end of mankind" banner? |
| 09:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | Is that the battery applet or one of the daemons? |
| 09:34.59 | qwerty12 | AStorm, Ah, thanks! |
| 09:35.01 | Stskeeps | battery applet i think |
| 09:35.16 | qwerty12 | yer, battery applet. You don't see it with advanced-power. |
| 09:35.34 | qwerty12 | Plus, I changed the locales of the battery applet last time. |
| 09:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | That's what I figured |
| 09:35.43 | GeneralAntilles | thanks |
| 09:35.44 | AStorm | advanced-power? what's better about it? |
| 09:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 |
| 09:36.08 | qwerty12 | AStorm, minus being made in python, it's way better. I'll get you a screenshit |
| 09:36.39 | AStorm | being in python is not a minus :P |
| 09:36.49 | qwerty12 | bollocks, kismet left my wifi unusable :/ |
| 09:36.52 | lardman | morning |
| 09:36.53 | AStorm | as python is already running for canolad |
| 09:37.00 | AStorm | :> |
| 09:37.01 | lardman | anything exciting happened today? |
| 09:37.06 | qwerty12 | AStorm, depends, you can see the delay when tapping the battery icon |
| 09:37.08 | qwerty12 | morning lardman |
| 09:37.08 | w00t | qwerty12: you get the whole repo, then you switch to the head you want |
| 09:37.09 | AStorm | hello |
| 09:37.10 | w00t | </late> |
| 09:37.19 | w00t | (partial pull would be nice, though, yes) |
| 09:37.28 | qwerty12 | w00t, no, no it's all helpful to me, thanks |
| 09:37.38 | AStorm | qwerty12, that's bad design |
| 09:37.46 | AStorm | my pygtk apps work ok |
| 09:37.49 | w00t | :) |
| 09:37.54 | AStorm | w/o lag |
| 09:38.23 | AStorm | (on tablet too) |
| 09:38.43 | Mikho | could someone help? I suddenly started getting the error: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/lib/libbenri-util.la' My library is in /usr/lib, not /usr/local/lib. Why is it searching in /usr/local ? |
| 09:39.13 | lardman | Mikho: how did you build it? |
| 09:39.22 | AStorm | --prefix? |
| 09:39.22 | AStorm | --libdir? |
| 09:39.23 | Mikho | with autotools |
| 09:39.37 | Mikho | just by typing "make" like always |
| 09:39.39 | AStorm | or, some other lib has that in its .la file |
| 09:39.54 | lardman | configure usually accepts a switch to tell it where the binaries & lib should do, often defults to /usr/local |
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| 09:40.14 | lardman | ah, we're talking about the linker though |
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| 09:40.19 | lardman | I'll go back to sleep ;) |
| 09:40.46 | Shezi | the searching capability via Trackerd! Do Trackerd uses sqlite on its backend to store metadata information of files |
| 09:40.48 | Shezi | ? |
| 09:41.18 | Stskeeps | Shezi: we have no idea how tracker will work as the sdk is not out yet |
| 09:41.25 | qwerty12 | AStorm, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/pybat1.png & http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/pybatt2.png |
| 09:41.41 | Shezi | but how it was working before? |
| 09:41.54 | Shezi | the same in Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 09:41.58 | GeneralAntilles | Shezi, you'd have to talk to upstream |
| 09:42.07 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo hasn't seen any Tracker yet. :) |
| 09:42.07 | Mikho | it was working before. The library and the pc file are in correct locations in /usr/lib |
| 09:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | lol, I knew if ANYBODY was gonna use that theme it was definitely gonna be qwerty12. :P |
| 09:42.43 | Shezi | GeneralAntilles, : According to Mikho, it was using trackerd before |
| 09:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | Shezi, we're getting lines crossed here. :) |
| 09:43.17 | Mikho | trackerd? |
| 09:43.20 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I tried it out yesterday :P, the clock design convinced me to keep it :P |
| 09:43.27 | qwerty12 | Before that, I was using Titan |
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| 09:43.56 | Shezi | Mikho, Trackerd , a demon which indexes files and extracts the metadata and stores them in a database |
| 09:44.20 | Shezi | Searching is usually done through Trackerd |
| 09:44.39 | AStorm | like beagle? |
| 09:44.43 | Shezi | yes |
| 09:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | Shezi, like I said, Maemo hasn't seen Tracker yet (it likely will very soon). For now, you'll need to talk to upstream. |
| 09:45.07 | GeneralAntilles | Shezi, they're available on GimpNet on #tracker. |
| 09:45.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/development.html |
| 09:45.42 | Shezi | all right |
| 09:45.57 | Shezi | but can you please tell me, how the searching worked in maemo... |
| 09:46.00 | Shezi | ? |
| 09:46.08 | Shezi | some libraries/plugins etc wat? |
| 09:47.09 | Stskeeps | closed source daemon which noone liked |
| 09:47.39 | Shezi | aha, so do it has a name. or they never made it public |
| 09:47.40 | Shezi | ? |
| 09:48.00 | Stskeeps | metalayer-crawler or something |
| 09:48.16 | Shezi | but it harvests only mediafiles metadata |
| 09:50.09 | Stskeeps | correct |
| 09:50.31 | Shezi | so what about emails, other files etc |
| 09:50.48 | Stskeeps | don't think it really does that |
| 09:50.56 | Stskeeps | which is why tracker would be an improvement |
| 09:50.57 | qwerty12 | For any noobs like me who want the release_diablo branch of h-a-m : git clone git://gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline.git ; cd mainline/ ; git fetch ; git checkout --track -b release_diablo origin/release_diablo ; git pull |
| 09:51.03 | qwerty12 | and that was a long pita to do |
| 09:51.15 | AStorm | btw, how do I disable the ctrl+e search? |
| 09:51.49 | qwerty12 | AStorm, you may be able to do it with the bluetooth keyboard applet. If not, then you could enter gconf because there are shortcuts in there iirc |
| 09:52.20 | RST38h | wonders loudly |
| 09:52.20 | Shezi | All right, so you think metalayer-crawler is responsible for emails, media files , phone book entry etc metadata |
| 09:52.22 | Shezi | ? |
| 09:52.36 | Stskeeps | didn't say that.. :P |
| 09:52.40 | RST38h | no just media |
| 09:52.50 | AStorm | qwerty12, where in gconf? |
| 09:53.35 | Shezi | lol :) |
| 09:53.48 | Shezi | RST38h, :) thanks |
| 09:54.27 | Shezi | but then i am still getting confused about the emails, phonebook, bookmarks etc , how their metadata is extracted though. If they are not using metalayer-crawler |
| 09:54.29 | Shezi | ? |
| 09:54.31 | qwerty12 | AStorm, /apps/osso/keybindings |
| 09:54.44 | RST38h | Their metadata is not currently extracted |
| 09:54.50 | Stskeeps | Shezi: manual search.. |
| 09:54.52 | AStorm | thx |
| 09:55.08 | Shezi | aha right, thats also possible |
| 09:55.45 | AStorm | qwerty12, howw do I get the nice icons on main screen? |
| 09:55.58 | qwerty12 | AStorm, fiferboy's personal launcher |
| 09:56.00 | qwerty12 | it's in extras |
| 09:56.08 | Shezi | But I think , phone book, emails and bookmark are using some plugins to extract the metadata, and then these metadata can be used by the search clients to find the files or its metadata |
| 09:56.15 | Shezi | sorry , only files |
| 09:56.44 | Mikho | I don't understand... all other projects using the same library compile & link without problems |
| 09:56.53 | AStorm | qwerty12, 5hx |
| 09:57.03 | RST38h | qwerty: Returning to yesterday, any chance of compiling that file manager for Maemo? =) |
| 09:57.04 | AStorm | thx |
| 09:57.14 | RST38h | Shezi: No. |
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| 09:58.04 | AStorm | Now, I'd only need a way to get rid of the left bar |
| 09:58.17 | AStorm | and put its useful buttons on the home screen |
| 09:58.24 | qwerty12 | RST38h, sure, I can try again after I've messed with h-a-m, but bewarned that it didn't work properly last time: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19270&highlight=pcman |
| 09:58.25 | Shezi | RST38h: Then i think the search client will have the capability of reading metadata directly from files and showing the results to the user, if the search is done through metadata keyword |
| 09:58.43 | AStorm | actually, one - menu |
| 09:59.17 | lardman | wonders what Google have done to Maps to make it sooooo slllooooooowwww? |
| 09:59.34 | qwerty12 | lardman, upgraded it of course! |
| 09:59.52 | RST38h | qwerty: Oh |
| 09:59.53 | lardman | qwerty12: damn, going to need to upgrade to a Quad core + 8GB of RAM now |
| 09:59.59 | AStorm | more javascrot |
| 10:00.06 | qwerty12 | lardman, hehe |
| 10:00.25 | AStorm | they "optimized" it for chrome |
| 10:00.30 | lardman | then again it might be Firefox that is just choking |
| 10:00.48 | AStorm | that's why maemo-mapper suddenly became so much more useful |
| 10:01.13 | lardman | well it would be a damn site quicker than trying to use my desktop browser anyway. Grrr! |
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| 10:02.24 | AStorm | ok, so how do I get rid of the bar on the left? |
| 10:02.40 | AStorm | have to replace wm to something? :P |
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| 10:03.03 | AStorm | (like, normal matchbox, not hacked) |
| 10:03.35 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 10:05.19 | AStorm | ok, hav to get rid of window borders |
| 10:06.49 | Shezi | RST38h: About File Manager, how it extracts metadata from file? |
| 10:07.14 | AStorm | gnomevfs? |
| 10:07.31 | Shezi | hmm dont know,.. :\ |
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| 10:11.17 | RST38h | Shezi: it does not |
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| 10:13.03 | AStorm | qwerty12, where do I get adv. battery? |
| 10:13.18 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 |
| 10:13.36 | qwerty12 | Stolen from GeneralAntilles's scrollback :P |
| 10:13.45 | AStorm | mhm |
| 10:15.41 | RST38h | Reminds me once again abut having to do a dock applet skeleton code |
| 10:21.04 | Mikho | right... solved the problem by remaking and installing a third library also using the same utility library |
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| 10:21.17 | Mikho | mysterious are the ways of the autotools |
| 10:22.02 | AStorm | autofail |
| 10:22.21 | Mikho | and the error messages are ambiguous enough for someone to invent a new religion based on them |
| 10:22.22 | AStorm | a bot, here? |
| 10:22.32 | AStorm | povbot, botsnack |
| 10:22.33 | povbot | AStorm: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command. |
| 10:22.40 | qwerty12 | ~botsnack |
| 10:22.40 | infobot | aw, gee, qwerty12 |
| 10:22.47 | qwerty12 | muhahahaha |
| 10:23.23 | AStorm | another... |
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| 10:25.52 | RST38h | ~burn autotools for who needs them nowadays? |
| 10:25.52 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over autotools for who needs them nowadays, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 10:26.31 | w00t | amen. |
| 10:26.35 | qwerty12 | ~bitchslap autotools |
| 10:26.36 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of autotools |
| 10:26.38 | qwerty12 | ~rob autotools |
| 10:26.39 | infobot | ACTION strips autotools of his nick, title and all rights & privileges and gives them to someone more worthy |
| 10:26.49 | qwerty12 | ~beat autotools |
| 10:26.49 | infobot | ACTION beats autotools with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 10:26.56 | w00t | I frequently say that autotools should die in a fire |
| 10:26.59 | w00t | now, it finally has. |
| 10:27.21 | Mikho | haha, I feel better already |
| 10:27.29 | RST38h | secretly believes that the whole reason for having Scratchbox instead of a normal SDK is the autotools |
| 10:27.43 | w00t | Stskeeps: you didn't mention that stuff involved autotools :( |
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| 10:30.34 | lardman | really needs to get a build-box setup at work |
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| 10:30.52 | murrayc | Stskeeps: What would a "normal SDK" be? The reason for having scratchbox is to have a simulation of the device and a build environment for it. |
| 10:30.59 | murrayc | I mean RST38h |
| 10:31.23 | AStorm | normal SDK would use normal crosscompiler |
| 10:31.31 | AStorm | like, say, T9 linux |
| 10:31.33 | lardman | murrayc: I guess he means a cross toolchain + libs |
| 10:31.42 | AStorm | not cpu emulation |
| 10:32.07 | murrayc | How would you run it without CPU emulation? |
| 10:32.42 | murrayc | What is T9 Linux? |
| 10:33.06 | AStorm | it's cross... |
| 10:33.06 | AStorm | T9 SDE |
| 10:33.17 | AStorm | google it up |
| 10:33.26 | murrayc | I am. I get nothing |
| 10:33.56 | AStorm | maybe they renamed it |
| 10:34.34 | murrayc | Reusing the T9 tradename would be foolish. |
| 10:35.32 | AStorm | hm? |
| 10:35.41 | AStorm | whoops |
| 10:35.50 | AStorm | T2 SDE or sth |
| 10:35.59 | AStorm | I mess up this nondescriptive name |
| 10:37.09 | RST38h | murrayc <-- kinda clueless |
| 10:37.34 | RST38h | murrayc: A plain vanilla SDK would be just a set of cross compilation tools and binary tools |
| 10:37.35 | murrayc | I am kinda clueless? |
| 10:38.00 | RST38h | murrayc: No emulation required in this case, it runs on the host architecture and produces target arch binaries |
| 10:38.25 | murrayc | AStorm: So it's a distro? It wouldn't be nice to force people to use one distro? (Though people are effectively forced to use Debian or Ubuntu with Maemo if they want an easy life, because of the problems that mvo mentions in his blog.) |
| 10:38.43 | RST38h | The reason why Scratchbox uses emulation and other mysterious crap is because "some software requires running binaries on the target architecture to compile" |
| 10:39.34 | AStorm | murrayc, scratchbox is a distro |
| 10:39.38 | murrayc | RST38h: And to get something like the behaviour of that architecture. Code acts differently on intel/arm sometimes in ways that are significant in the debugging phase. |
| 10:39.39 | RST38h | always wondered what binaries would that be until it struck him that they meant the freaking Autotools/ |
| 10:39.43 | AStorm | debian-like |
| 10:39.43 | AStorm | :P |
| 10:40.01 | murrayc | AStorm: In a way, yes. |
| 10:40.02 | AStorm | RST38h, some is mostly autofoo |
| 10:40.02 | AStorm | and they're too lazy to patch it |
| 10:40.16 | RST38h | murrayc: Absolutely insignificant as Scratchbox is next to useless for debugging |
| 10:40.33 | AStorm | t2 patches packages for cross |
| 10:40.33 | AStorm | and they work |
| 10:40.49 | derf | I've done almost all of my debugging in scratchbox. |
| 10:40.54 | RST38h | murrayc: It does not reflect the behaviour of your code on the real device and some system features (like file dialogs) do not even work |
| 10:40.57 | murrayc | RST38h: I think when you say "Plain vanilla SDK" you mean a Scratchbox that is self-contained. People agree that Scratchbox should be fixed and it looks like Scratchnox 2 could solve many of the problems. |
| 10:41.03 | AStorm | yup, scratchbox is useless for debug |
| 10:41.15 | AStorm | so you haven't hit real bugs yet :> |
| 10:41.21 | murrayc | RST38h: Yes, it's not a 100% simulation, but it's still closer than running as i386. |
| 10:41.21 | RST38h | murrayc: When I say "plain vanilla SDK" I mean plain vanilla SDK. |
| 10:41.33 | RST38h | I do not, DO NOT mean Scratchbox |
| 10:41.46 | AStorm | murrayc, most not |
| 10:41.46 | AStorm | the major being its debianisms |
| 10:41.46 | AStorm | :P |
| 10:42.01 | RST38h | murrayc: not close enough to be useful sorry |
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| 10:43.12 | murrayc | Scratchbox is vastly better than the proprietary development environments that I've used for other mobile platforms. |
| 10:44.33 | RST38h | mmm/...like what? |
| 10:45.01 | qwerty12 | For me, scratchbox is quicker because I don't have to mess around with configure arguments and export a bunch of variables to point to my new toolchain |
| 10:45.37 | AStorm | qwerty12, that's the debian part :P |
| 10:45.45 | qwerty12 | AStorm, probably :P :D |
| 10:45.47 | AStorm | actually, easy to do with one script |
| 10:45.52 | lardman | I don't like the way I have to pollute my build environment, it would be nice if the changes required to build a package (e.g. installing support libs) could be wiped away in one go |
| 10:45.56 | RST38h | only does it once and forgets about it |
| 10:45.58 | AStorm | so, not important |
| 10:46.24 | RST38h | While with SB mysterious holes leading to pools of fecal matter with weird file extensions open daily |
| 10:46.48 | lardman | RST38h: it does do the job though |
| 10:47.06 | lardman | RST38h: would you really prefer a cross compiler? |
| 10:47.20 | RST38h | lardman: yes, but I would rather write my own code than try figuring out why SB broke again |
| 10:47.24 | RST38h | lardman: yes |
| 10:47.30 | lardman | RST38h: consider building something like R, where the R binary itself is used to build parts of the support files |
| 10:47.42 | RST38h | lardman: I have that |
| 10:47.50 | lardman | cross compiled? |
| 10:47.56 | RST38h | lardman: I compile code-generating part with host CC |
| 10:47.58 | lardman | without hackery? ;) |
| 10:48.03 | RST38h | without any hackery |
| 10:48.05 | AStorm | lardman, then you need a cross binary of R |
| 10:48.09 | lardman | hmm |
| 10:48.14 | lardman | so you patched the Makefiles |
| 10:48.18 | AStorm | if they ignored that, R is too bad to live |
| 10:48.23 | RST38h | They are my own makefiles |
| 10:48.26 | lardman | while in scratchbox you just say go, and it compiles |
| 10:48.32 | AStorm | more fun is with python and such :P |
| 10:49.04 | AStorm | lardman, or breaks, more often |
| 10:49.04 | AStorm | with a segfault |
| 10:49.13 | AStorm | :) |
| 10:49.17 | RST38h | lardman: I can't install Scratchbox on my Windows machine (need to install Linux), it takes 1GB+ HD space (have to delete half of Ubuntu distro) and SB1 does not let me access host filesystem from inside |
| 10:49.19 | lardman | really? I've not seen many of those |
| 10:49.23 | AStorm | qemu niceness |
| 10:49.30 | RST38h | lardman: Sorry, but I will take a crosscompiler any time |
| 10:49.34 | lardman | RST38h: indeed, nothing is perfect |
| 10:49.51 | lardman | RST38h: but all of these are acceptable to me, cross toolchains are a pita |
| 10:50.18 | lardman | imo of course, from time spent compiling for the Zaurus |
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| 10:50.26 | AStorm | nah |
| 10:50.35 | AStorm | apps not build for crossing are |
| 10:50.45 | AStorm | *not built |
| 10:50.49 | RST38h | lardman: You probably port a lot of standard Linux software, then it makes sense |
| 10:50.58 | lardman | which, unfortunately, is many |
| 10:51.17 | AStorm | worst offender is perl |
| 10:52.05 | AStorm | for python, can just axe the .pyo, .pyc and redo these on target machine |
| 10:52.15 | vincenzo88 | Hello, i developp on N810 and i try to create a launch icon on the navigator bar. I have create the .desktop and .service files. The icon appear in the menu but when i click on the icon nothing append. Someone have and idea to help me ? Thanks. |
| 10:52.18 | AStorm | and it will correctly use cross CC |
| 10:52.39 | vincenzo88 | (the program work when i launch it with ./myapp) |
| 10:52.54 | RST38h | vincenzo: your program probably does not connect to DBus |
| 10:53.14 | RST38h | vincenzo: Remove the dbus-related line from .desktop and delete the .service file |
| 10:53.26 | qwerty12 | vincenzo88, where is the binary located and can you pastebin your desktop and service file? |
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| 10:54.27 | vincenzo88 | qwerty12: the binary is in : /usr/bin/folder/binary |
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| 10:54.52 | vincenzo88 | i paste my two files 1 sec ;) |
| 10:54.53 | lardman | hmm |
| 10:54.59 | qwerty12 | vincenzo88, hrm, iirc, it's not really orthodox to have subfolders in bin |
| 10:55.29 | vincenzo88 | Ok i will put the executable directly in bin folder |
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| 10:56.00 | qwerty12 | generally, files needed by your program should be loaded from /usr/share/program/whatever |
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| 10:59.19 | vincenzo | re this is the desktop : |
| 10:59.20 | vincenzo | [Desktop Entry] |
| 10:59.20 | vincenzo | Encoding=UTF-8 |
| 10:59.20 | vincenzo | Version=1.0.1 |
| 10:59.20 | vincenzo | Type=Application |
| 10:59.20 | vincenzo | Name=icuportable |
| 10:59.21 | vincenzo | Exec=/usr/bin/IcuPortable/icuportable |
| 10:59.23 | vincenzo | X-Osso-Service=com.nokia.icuportable |
| 10:59.25 | vincenzo | Icon=qgn_list_gene_default_app |
| 10:59.37 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 10:59.37 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 11:00.06 | RST38h | vincenzo: Remove X-Osso-Service= line |
| 11:00.20 | RST38h | vincenzo: It should work then |
| 11:00.23 | AStorm | vincenzo, is there such a service running? |
| 11:00.46 | AStorm | yup |
| 11:00.52 | vincenzo | I will put the binary directly in the bin folder too |
| 11:01.15 | RST38h | That is not necessary but probably is a good idea |
| 11:01.30 | lopz | hola |
| 11:01.37 | RST38h | creating subfolders in /usr/bin isn't good practice |
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| 11:01.54 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, #13 on #2285 sucks :/. Regarding extras, I don't think his package is debanized and he uses pypackager :/ |
| 11:02.32 | vincenzo | I delete the .service file too ? |
| 11:03.23 | RST38h | yes, unless you really implement the service |
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| 11:07.27 | vincenzo | It's work !! Many thanks for your help i search for 5 hours |
| 11:08.13 | RST38h | hehe |
| 11:08.28 | RST38h | [and now he is going to ask how to make it display the icon in the task bar] |
| 11:09.11 | qwerty12 | Well :P, gtk apps do that automatically from my knowledge and with sdl games, it's not hard to bend them into submission :P |
| 11:09.23 | vincenzo | it's not very important for the moment but i suppose i have to change the line "Icon" |
| 11:10.07 | AStorm | vincenzo, not just that :) |
| 11:10.18 | AStorm | some hildon stuff has to be done |
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| 11:10.30 | AStorm | I don't remember what |
| 11:13.58 | Macer | blah |
| 11:14.08 | Macer | boswars is pretty good for being on an n800 |
| 11:14.09 | Macer | :) |
| 11:14.42 | Macer | would be even better if there were more types of units |
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| 11:24.17 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/newappmgrcatergories.png |
| 11:24.27 | qwerty12 | debs are in the same place |
| 11:26.44 | lardman | is the General about? |
| 11:28.20 | caio1982 | qwerty12: neat theme, what is it? |
| 11:28.53 | qwerty12 | caio1982, ciroip's 3d mania : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24736 |
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| 11:29.02 | caio1982 | thanks :) |
| 11:36.29 | Stskeeps | murrayc: look at m-vos post on planet.maemo.org |
| 11:36.36 | Stskeeps | exactly like that |
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| 11:49.39 | aquatix | qwerty12: that .deb in the first post of that itt.com thread, is that the latest version of that theme? |
| 11:50.16 | qwerty12 | aquatix, probably not, I'm using the desaturated version: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=805 |
| 11:57.17 | aquatix | still wants to make a theme of his own |
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| 12:00.12 | yerga | Fremantle SDK is out! |
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| 12:00.15 | aquatix | .. ew? https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4956/ApplicationManager_Sshot_arlecchino_teaser.jpg |
| 12:00.19 | aquatix | yerga: ooh |
| 12:00.37 | yerga | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/first_maemo_5_sdk_release_targeting_platform_developers/ |
| 12:00.41 | qwerty12 | Party! |
| 12:00.53 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 12:00.57 | yerga | qwerty12, you should be hacking yet |
| 12:01.00 | Stskeeps | alpha? |
| 12:01.01 | aquatix | hm, i didn't check lately, but is there any word on compatibility with n8x0? (or am i the gazillionth person to ask) |
| 12:01.14 | lardman | at last |
| 12:01.16 | aquatix | of course, there's always community backporting |
| 12:01.25 | lardman | aquatix: +1 |
| 12:01.31 | qwerty12 | yerga, I've built the latest diablo app mgr with your mods etc, that's my hacking for the day :P |
| 12:01.58 | lardman | right, let's get building an image for the n8x0 then :) |
| 12:02.11 | Stskeeps | -finally- |
| 12:02.11 | qwerty12 | lardman, you first :P |
| 12:02.22 | lardman | qwerty12: ;) |
| 12:02.42 | qwerty12 | ooh, I don't know wtf wildmidi is but it has a funky name |
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| 12:04.08 | aquatix | qwerty12: some midi synth? |
| 12:04.22 | qwerty12 | yeah, I wonder what nokia are planning to use it for :) |
| 12:04.42 | Stskeeps | ringtones? |
| 12:04.50 | lardman | bluez4 |
| 12:04.51 | lcuk | ooooh @ shiny new stuff |
| 12:05.08 | lcuk | haptics ;) |
| 12:05.58 | qwerty12 | the sdk-default-icons now, seem awfully like the ones from diablo... |
| 12:06.10 | lardman | they are |
| 12:06.14 | lardman | same ui for the time being |
| 12:06.30 | lardman | lcuk: where's haptics? |
| 12:06.31 | qwerty12 | my point is that the sdk-default-icons in diablo are fugly |
| 12:06.47 | lardman | ah, well I'm sure we'll get the new ui when we get it |
| 12:06.57 | qwerty12 | pulseaudio! |
| 12:07.06 | lardman | surprised? |
| 12:07.11 | lardman | we knew that from the summit |
| 12:07.18 | qwerty12 | nope, I knew it was coming ;) |
| 12:07.22 | qwerty12 | still nice to see |
| 12:07.37 | Stskeeps | i wonder if dsme is out yt |
| 12:07.50 | lardman | wonders how the alarms will be handled now |
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| 12:08.47 | qwerty12 | openssh is included in the sdk now |
| 12:08.55 | lardman | libc is 2.5.1-1eglibc7 - what does that mean? |
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| 12:09.02 | andrewfblack | Morning |
| 12:09.07 | lardman | or just some random version? |
| 12:09.10 | lardman | hello andrewfblack |
| 12:09.16 | qwerty12 | afternoon andrewfblack |
| 12:09.39 | XTL | lardman: I'd parse that as -1e tending towards glibc v7.x |
| 12:09.59 | lardman | XTL: ok |
| 12:10.01 | qwerty12 | lcuk, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/mesa/ ! |
| 12:10.09 | XTL | No real idea, though. |
| 12:10.31 | XTL | qwerty12: heh |
| 12:11.19 | AStorm | qwerty12, where's our gallium on DSP? :P |
| 12:11.22 | lardman | maemo-chavo-runtime :) |
| 12:11.26 | lardman | what is that? |
| 12:11.29 | AStorm | write it! |
| 12:11.33 | qwerty12 | whee, 2.6.27 as default kernel |
| 12:11.37 | qwerty12 | AStorm, :P |
| 12:11.51 | qwerty12 | lardman, something to do with communications subsystem |
| 12:11.51 | AStorm | :D |
| 12:11.56 | lardman | AStorm: I hope it won't be necessary |
| 12:12.01 | andrewfblack | why are there so many kinds of security screws grrr |
| 12:12.06 | lardman | qwerty12: ok |
| 12:12.26 | AStorm | heh, why? |
| 12:12.36 | AStorm | it's opengl's future |
| 12:12.36 | lardman | AStorm: just because |
| 12:12.45 | lardman | on the DSP though...? |
| 12:13.14 | AStorm | well, that powervr is arm... |
| 12:13.29 | AStorm | so, you could push gallium pipeline there |
| 12:13.49 | AStorm | :> |
| 12:13.59 | lardman | AStorm: what? it's not ARM |
| 12:14.03 | lardman | libspeexdsp1 - interesting |
| 12:14.42 | AStorm | lardman, yes, the powervr chip is a specialized arm |
| 12:14.46 | qwerty12 | lardman, it's a standard library in debian too |
| 12:15.00 | lardman | AStorm: do you have a source? |
| 12:15.03 | AStorm | that's why they don't want to release drivers |
| 12:15.10 | lardman | qwerty12: ok |
| 12:15.12 | AStorm | because all gfx pipeline is there |
| 12:15.12 | AStorm | :> |
| 12:15.26 | AStorm | as in TI pages..., yes |
| 12:15.37 | AStorm | check them |
| 12:15.41 | lardman | url? |
| 12:15.53 | AStorm | it's a specialized arm implementation |
| 12:16.07 | lardman | ok, but do you have a url to the docs? |
| 12:16.11 | AStorm | sorry, my conn. is very loaded |
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| 12:16.22 | AStorm | but, it's on OMAP2 arch chart |
| 12:16.49 | AStorm | lardman, it's *highly* visible, please |
| 12:16.56 | lardman | I've never seen anything about the implementation of it |
| 12:17.18 | AStorm | no, no docs for that part of OMAP2, unfortunately |
| 12:17.32 | lardman | nor anything stating that it's an ARM core |
| 12:18.01 | lardman | is this the arch chart you mean? http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11988&contentId=4638 |
| 12:18.10 | lardman | or one specific to a SOC? |
| 12:18.16 | AStorm | really, check :) |
| 12:18.28 | lardman | I have done really, hence my wanting a pointer :) |
| 12:18.49 | AStorm | in a few secs |
| 12:18.54 | lardman | cool |
| 12:19.10 | AStorm | after I get to load the pages... |
| 12:19.31 | lardman | too many people doing Xmas shopping, slowing down the interweb! ;) |
| 12:20.50 | lardman | hmm, still running in scratchbox1 |
| 12:21.47 | qwerty12 | good, good |
| 12:22.03 | AStorm | nah |
| 12:22.13 | AStorm | my conn is loaded by OOo 3 download |
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| 12:22.23 | AStorm | and it's just 64kbps now :P |
| 12:22.49 | lardman | ok, so tell me which page it was on then |
| 12:22.50 | AStorm | so I'm in a timeout hell |
| 12:25.24 | Stskeeps | isnt sure if we're getting anything huge from sdk that we didnt have already |
| 12:25.37 | lardman | Stskeeps: just updates |
| 12:25.51 | lardman | AStorm: are you sure you're not thinking of the IVA2? |
| 12:26.25 | Stskeeps | lardman: most of them are in svn already. maybe matchbox wm 2 though |
| 12:26.30 | X-Fade | Hmmm modest seems to be removed from fremantle sdk? |
| 12:27.02 | lardman | X-Fade: is for platform devs, probably not been finalised yet? |
| 12:27.28 | Stskeeps | i welcome the death of modest |
| 12:27.31 | X-Fade | Yeah, or because it depends on that cert thing, which isn't open? |
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| 12:28.10 | X-Fade | And this SDK only contains the open parts. |
| 12:28.19 | StsN800 | true |
| 12:28.53 | AStorm | lardman, hmm, possible |
| 12:29.11 | AStorm | but IVA2 is an evolutionary development |
| 12:29.30 | lardman | AStorm: I've done a fair bit of work looking at the PowerVR and have never come across any information about it being an ARM core |
| 12:29.31 | AStorm | so IVA 1 is the same stuff... more or less |
| 12:29.47 | lardman | the IVA2 otoh is an ARM9 (iirc) + memory + coprocessors |
| 12:29.58 | lardman | I don't know anything about the IVA1 |
| 12:30.20 | lardman | nor what it was in - 770? |
| 12:30.25 | AStorm | heh |
| 12:30.42 | AStorm | so, on IVA2, our work should be to,write gallium core? |
| 12:30.46 | lardman | certainly IVA2+ is now the DSP + hw accel coprocessors |
| 12:30.51 | AStorm | :P |
| 12:31.09 | AStorm | take their softpipe, implement it on that arm, profit? |
| 12:31.13 | lardman | There's no way to get it working |
| 12:32.12 | lardman | Anyway there's some work underway to try OpenGL on the DSP |
| 12:32.35 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dspgl/ |
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| 12:35.40 | lardman | wonders if mesa will remain in place when the omap3 hw acceleration comes along |
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| 12:36.53 | lardman | ah, the license doesn't restrict it, no need for source to be provided |
| 12:39.31 | StsN800 | qwerty12, could you get libhildon and see if it has hildon-pannable-area? |
| 12:39.44 | StsN800 | .h |
| 12:40.31 | qwerty12 | StsN800, it does |
| 12:40.37 | StsN800 | woo! |
| 12:41.29 | yerga | someone with gstreamer experience can see if this is cool: http://yerga.net/files/camerabinvideo.c? |
| 12:41.40 | yerga | lines 66-70, specially |
| 12:41.54 | yerga | it is in the gstreamer-plugins-camera package |
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| 12:44.17 | lardman | interesting |
| 12:44.42 | lardman | afaicr audio will be handled on the ARM, though video was to be on the DSP |
| 12:44.49 | lardman | theora on the DSP...? I wonder |
| 12:45.22 | lardman | anyway, good spot :) |
| 12:48.10 | bombas | me newbie to maemo, can i use ubuntu for maemo development? in maemo docs i see hse kf Debian all the places |
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| 12:48.50 | lardman | bombas: I use a computer with Ubuntu installed for development |
| 12:49.05 | lardman | bombas: you'll install scratchbox which has a mini debian environment inside it |
| 12:49.45 | bombas | lardman: thanks! I have installed scratchbox and I could get emulator up too! |
| 12:50.23 | lardman | :) |
| 12:51.24 | StsN800 | oh boy, no n8x0 fremantle |
| 12:51.37 | lardman | StsN800: we can do our own |
| 12:51.40 | lardman | that is the idea |
| 12:51.47 | StsN800 | it seems feasible to port many things though |
| 12:52.44 | Stskeeps | but we will need hands, definately |
| 12:52.50 | lardman | indeed |
| 12:53.08 | X-Fade | And we need to think of a place where to put the ports? |
| 12:53.41 | lardman | X-Fade: do you happen to know if the Fremantle binaries are compiled for the Cortex? |
| 12:53.56 | lardman | If not, I hope most stuff should run, and the number of ports will be reasonably small |
| 12:54.24 | X-Fade | lardman: I have no idea. File should tell you? |
| 12:54.42 | lardman | yeah, I'll look when I get home |
| 12:54.46 | lardman | just commenting really |
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| 12:56.30 | lardman | am out this afternoon, I expect to see a working Fremantle image for the N8x0 by this evening when I come back ;) |
| 12:56.49 | X-Fade | We can push all source packages into diablo extras-devel and see? :D |
| 12:56.52 | StsN800 | technically mer is alre |
| 12:57.06 | StsN800 | ady using fm packages |
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| 13:03.25 | StsN800 | is there anything resembling the new interface in sdk? |
| 13:05.00 | t_s_o | whats going on? sdk release?! |
| 13:05.12 | StsN800 | alpha yea |
| 13:06.18 | t_s_o | anything really interesting in there so far? |
| 13:07.02 | kulve | kernel |
| 13:07.15 | kulve | with default config for the hw |
| 13:07.32 | StsN800 | any interesting hints? |
| 13:08.04 | yerga | StsN800, not much about the UI, except the dialogs are movable |
| 13:08.45 | StsN800 | k |
| 13:10.01 | StsN800 | if hildon lib doesnt change and h-d, fremantle is sure a possibility on n8x0, wo shiny effects |
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| 13:20.24 | GAN800 | StsN800, no UI changes for alphas yet, but expect some later. :) |
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| 13:21.18 | yerga | The kinetic scroll is there, at least in the filechooser widget. |
| 13:22.12 | RST38h | An alpha SDK release? Gimme gimme |
| 13:22.20 | RST38h | Where is it? =) |
| 13:24.16 | bombas | I have just installed 4.1.1 SDK, I see only settings app in emulator. doesn't it comes with existing applications ? like atleast browser? |
| 13:24.47 | RST38h | bombas: this is correct, it does not come with apps |
| 13:25.53 | bombas | and i need a account to download those application builds? |
| 13:26.19 | RST38h | I have never tried it, but my guess is that you can install them with apt-get |
| 13:26.25 | RST38h | No need to have an account |
| 13:28.49 | bombas | RST38h: thanks. maemo comes with mozilla browser right? can you tell me command to install that browser in my emulator? |
| 13:29.25 | andrewfblack | well I'm going to be selling my Tablet now |
| 13:29.43 | RST38h | Are we gonna have an online auction then? Right here? =) |
| 13:30.06 | RST38h | bombas: No - never has a need for it |
| 13:30.11 | RST38h | s/has/had/ |
| 13:30.58 | andrewfblack | lol nope not on irc, but looks like Maemo 5 isn't coming to old tablets so it wont be long and n810 will be out dated and have no software for them like 770s |
| 13:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, pfft |
| 13:31.24 | GeneralAntilles | Officially, perhaps. |
| 13:31.34 | GeneralAntilles | But it's certainly no dead-end |
| 13:31.37 | GeneralAntilles | not like it was for the 770. |
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| 13:31.51 | GeneralAntilles | Fremantle is WAY more open than any previous release |
| 13:31.59 | GeneralAntilles | which makes a community backport much more feasible. |
| 13:32.05 | andrewfblack | Maybe |
| 13:32.13 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, re #2285. Fuck 'em. ;) If they can't manage to pull their own heads out of their asses, and there's much better community options available, then there's no sense fighting it. |
| 13:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, it's a little early to be making snap decisions, anyway. |
| 13:32.30 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, hehe |
| 13:32.36 | andrewfblack | yeah I kinda knew this was coming anyways |
| 13:33.00 | andrewfblack | maybe this will put some fire under people to get some of the other OS ports running better |
| 13:33.37 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, that's not really the sustainable direction |
| 13:33.58 | GeneralAntilles | If you want to see the way forward for OMAP2 tablets and Fremantle, watch Mer. :) |
| 13:34.00 | RST38h | cell stuff is already in the alpha |
| 13:34.07 | RST38h | hehe |
| 13:39.18 | RST38h | Mesa is there. This means that things should THEORETICALLY work on N8x0 without 3D acceleration |
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| 13:41.56 | t_s_o | dog slow and battery eating? |
| 13:42.23 | RST38h | yep, but can't do much about that |
| 13:43.09 | t_s_o | true |
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| 13:47.10 | t_s_o | hmm, no more evolution data server... |
| 13:48.27 | RST38h | Maemo 5 is using SB2 as the default dev environment, right? |
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| 13:51.14 | AStorm | nobody knows... |
| 13:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, dunno, though the comments on m-vo's blog would seem to lead to that conclusion at some point. |
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| 13:52.20 | RST38h | General: That would be a great relief |
| 13:52.40 | RST38h | (and at least I will no longer be the only idiot pestering Jukka with bug reports) |
| 13:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it might be a point worth seeking clarification on on -developers |
| 13:58.25 | X-Fade | Current SDK is still using sb1. It can be installed next to the diablo devkit. |
| 13:58.51 | lcuk | does the sdk include 3d emulation and stuff? :D |
| 13:58.53 | X-Fade | But sb2 and sdk+ are planned. |
| 13:59.07 | RST38h | lcuk: it appears to do so |
| 13:59.12 | RST38h | libmesa is there |
| 13:59.21 | lcuk | ooooh i bet it will be bob for me in vmware ;) |
| 13:59.52 | lcuk | will have to purchase a new machine or rethink everything, shall see later |
| 14:00.12 | RST38h | I guess you mean N900 by "new machine"? |
| 14:00.38 | lcuk | if thats whats needed - i need a dev-env which isnt brainf*cked |
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| 14:01.12 | lcuk | scratchbox within linux vmware within windows is bad personally for me so ill have to find a better solution |
| 14:01.31 | RST38h | lcuk: I made a partition and placed Ubuntu there |
| 14:02.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo/ is missing. Any quick way to fix it? |
| 14:03.35 | lcuk | RST38h, ill have to have a rejig anyway, now might be the time ill look when im not at work |
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| 14:12.12 | X-Fade | RST38h: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo/ |
| 14:12.40 | X-Fade | Somehow it is 4-0-x now, I'll notify the documentation guys. |
| 14:14.13 | RST38h | X-Fade: thanks! |
| 14:14.23 | RST38h | they probably added one for diablo as 4-1-x |
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| 14:15.01 | X-Fade | RST38h: Maybe they are working on it, but now it isn't there at least. |
| 14:15.08 | X-Fade | RST38h: I'll ping them. |
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| 14:16.53 | vs93taras | Are there any other IT related channels? |
| 14:17.14 | RST38h | Yes/ |
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| 14:22.50 | X-Fade | RST38h: Can you chime in on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3803 ? |
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| 14:31.38 | RST38h | a moment |
| 14:32.09 | RST38h | X-Fade: I spent some time redesigning the docs page a while ago |
| 14:32.31 | RST38h | Sadly, my design went nowhere but you are free to use it if you want |
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| 14:35.22 | X-Fade | RST38h: I think we can use that with the redesign effort that is going on. |
| 14:35.32 | X-Fade | RST38h: dneary is coordinating that. |
| 14:36.36 | RST38h | I commented on the bug |
| 14:36.55 | Stskeeps | regarding sb1 vs sb2, they're going for sb2, dropping sb1 eventually |
| 14:37.01 | Stskeeps | it's the future, so |
| 14:37.26 | RST38h | X-Fade: Check Documentation part at http://fms.komkon.org/MaemoMain.html |
| 14:38.12 | RST38h | X-Fade: I suggest having a page like this for each major release, starting with 4.1/4.0 and doing older ones as time and resources allow |
| 14:42.43 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: we should probably sit down at some point and work out how to get Mer off its feet with community and such :P |
| 14:43.08 | GAN800 | Sounds like a plan. |
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| 14:44.35 | Stskeeps | why does maemo.org news when trying to access the actual news, redirect to maemo.org? |
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| 14:45.13 | bergie | Stskeeps: some news items have invalid URLs, I'd imagine |
| 14:45.17 | bergie | can you give me an example? |
| 14:45.21 | Stskeeps | bergie: this one is the SDK one.. |
| 14:45.32 | Stskeeps | First Maemo 5 SDK release targeting platform developers |
| 14:45.42 | bergie | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/first_maemo_5_sdk_release_targeting_platform_developers/ works for me |
| 14:45.52 | Stskeeps | in my firefox the link points to maemo.org |
| 14:46.05 | Stskeeps | and i'm talking about http://maemo.org where it happens |
| 14:46.32 | Stskeeps | under "news" |
| 14:46.36 | Stskeeps | not announcements :P |
| 14:46.39 | bergie | ah yes, I can see that |
| 14:46.53 | bergie | interesting is that in the sidebar the link is correct |
| 14:47.21 | bergie | I guess the issue is with local items, because that social news thing was intended to deal with remotely-fetched items ;-) |
| 14:47.58 | Stskeeps | GAN800: saw http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle has been updated? |
| 14:48.24 | Stskeeps | with quite a lot of info |
| 14:48.37 | Stskeeps | hah. "OHM introduced as a replacement for dsme and mce components which are responsible for device state and mode control. " |
| 14:48.40 | Stskeeps | i knew it |
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| 14:50.57 | Stskeeps | eh. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928 |
| 14:52.20 | RST38h | Sts: priceless |
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| 14:54.16 | RST38h | Sts: I especially liked the "WONTFIX for Diablo" part |
| 14:54.27 | Stskeeps | yes.. my "eh" was supposed to be a "wtf" |
| 14:54.50 | x29a | is this a security feature? |
| 14:55.05 | RST38h | Sts: Well, it seems to send WiFi SPI driver into frenzy, judging from comments |
| 14:55.18 | RST38h | Sts: Pretty low level stuff |
| 14:55.27 | Stskeeps | true |
| 14:55.39 | Stskeeps | may be solvable with stlc45xx. |
| 14:56.10 | Stskeeps | grabs libhildon |
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| 14:58.30 | RST38h | BusinessWeek is running a story asserting that the 'US is Losing the Global Cyberwar.' <eek> |
| 15:01.03 | suihkulokki | RST38h: who's winning this time? chinese, soviets, arabs or just generic terrorists? |
| 15:01.48 | RST38h | suihkulokki: Most experts claim it to be russians, but osama is still pretty much in fashion these days |
| 15:02.07 | RST38h | Ah, the Evil Chinese too! |
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| 15:03.59 | Knowledge | Any of you cats and kittens in here know what VDR is? and if so, have you streamed from vdr to a tablet?....if so......how? |
| 15:04.33 | RST38h | UPNP. |
| 15:07.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: is it possible to get a kernel event when the device is connected to anything by USB? |
| 15:07.22 | Stskeeps | so we can pop up a menu asking if it should be USB networking, USB storage, etc? |
| 15:07.44 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no idea, let me check |
| 15:08.02 | Stskeeps | it could be kickass to have. |
| 15:08.12 | Stskeeps | kinda like on the n95 |
| 15:08.22 | qwerty12 | yeah, that's what came to my mind ;) |
| 15:09.08 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, straight away on system bus: http://pastebin.com/d5f2e835d |
| 15:09.28 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 15:09.37 | Stskeeps | we so have to make that. |
| 15:09.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:09.48 | qwerty12 | shouldn't be hard to make a udev rule, i'll mess around |
| 15:11.35 | Stskeeps | sends libhildon to the presses |
| 15:12.35 | wiza | will fremantle work on n810? |
| 15:12.50 | Stskeeps | wiza: they are not going to officially support it, atleast |
| 15:13.00 | Stskeeps | but there will probably be backports |
| 15:13.11 | Stskeeps | or community distribution of the maemo platform (mer) |
| 15:13.40 | wiza | k |
| 15:13.45 | wiza | hopefully |
| 15:14.16 | Stskeeps | if you'd like to see it happen, join in the effort :P |
| 15:15.13 | wiza | when I have time I'll might, my non-PHP skills are little rusty |
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| 15:16.03 | Stskeeps | GAN800: "multimedia@maemo.org" too bw |
| 15:16.04 | Stskeeps | btw |
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| 15:22.17 | pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_be_a_giant_dick,_so_we_can_ban_you |
| 15:22.47 | qwerty12 | lol |
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| 15:23.11 | Stskeeps | lo meiz |
| 15:23.17 | Meiz_n810 | Hi |
| 15:23.33 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: when armel builder finishes up, we have a new libhildon from fremantle alpha sdk for you to play with |
| 15:23.42 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 15:23.49 | Stskeeps | our work has just become even more import now that nokia won't target fremantle on n8x0s .. |
| 15:23.52 | Stskeeps | important |
| 15:24.01 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 15:24.02 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what package is using that? |
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| 15:24.18 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: gupnp i think i saw it in, sec |
| 15:24.22 | Meiz_n810 | i installed tablet-hw-n8x0-support and now mer does not boot anymore :( |
| 15:25.14 | Stskeeps | gupnp-av |
| 15:25.15 | Meiz_n810 | is stops on "starting network manager" then reboots |
| 15:25.23 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah.. it isn't trivial |
| 15:25.40 | Stskeeps | i'll work on it a tad more once i've had my cup of coffee |
| 15:25.48 | Stskeeps | and done some menial tasks for school |
| 15:26.43 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 15:26.44 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: when wlan works, i'll use Mer all the time, exept when i'm at school |
| 15:27.15 | Meiz_n810 | i was able to use moblins matchbox keyboard thing |
| 15:27.36 | Stskeeps | we'll have hildon import method soon enough to |
| 15:27.36 | Stskeeps | o |
| 15:27.39 | Meiz_n810 | it can be started from statusbar and it supports many languages |
| 15:27.41 | Stskeeps | input |
| 15:27.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:27.43 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, let's have a little informal get together to discussion direction and organization |
| 15:27.57 | GeneralAntilles | then lead up to a more formal meeting with Nokia in a month or two. |
| 15:28.02 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, - not today though :P |
| 15:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, right. :P |
| 15:28.17 | Stskeeps | need to get myself an overview of the sdk first |
| 15:28.34 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, think you can jump in on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247798 at some point? |
| 15:28.57 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, fuck udev but this code launches osso-xterm when usb cable is plugged in: http://slexy.org/view/s2Hu7tQJ89 |
| 15:29.20 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: we so have to do something with that |
| 15:29.31 | Stskeeps | and when did you start coding python? |
| 15:30.13 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, my plan was to wait for the feelings to get a little higher in that thread and then jump in |
| 15:30.16 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I learnt a bit a while back for headset-control, that's just a modified version of that. But I only learnt a little bit so it's kinda forgotten now |
| 15:30.59 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i guess combined with powerlaunch we could do something nice |
| 15:31.20 | qwerty12 | hehe, yeah |
| 15:34.47 | Meiz_n810 | i'm still not able to get wifi working in android, userspace crashes when searching for networks... |
| 15:35.36 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 15:37.01 | Stskeeps | ponders how well Mer will work on 770s |
| 15:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | Not well |
| 15:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo doesn't work well on 770s. :P |
| 15:37.28 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:37.29 | GeneralAntilles | They're dog slow. |
| 15:37.42 | RST38h | Better suited for maemo.org webserver, indeed |
| 15:37.43 | Stskeeps | we'll see, r2d2rogers is porting ahead :) |
| 15:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, sadly that joke is much less enjoyable now that maemo.org actually works. |
| 15:39.34 | RST38h | it is still slow enough at times. besides, you can now tell this joke about iTT =) |
| 15:39.59 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do we have a FAQ template for the wiki already? |
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| 15:40.11 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, no. |
| 15:40.50 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I would like to make a FAQ for extras, but would like some help with the layout ;) |
| 15:41.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ |
| 15:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | can't even give advice anymore without getting flamed. <_< |
| 15:42.29 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Trolls? |
| 15:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247795&postcount=6 |
| 15:44.24 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I have seen much worse :) |
| 15:44.25 | Stskeeps | can someone do apt-cache policy hildon-libs-l10n-mr for me in SDK? |
| 15:44.29 | Stskeeps | (i dont have it installed atm) |
| 15:44.31 | Stskeeps | fremantle SDK, that is |
| 15:44.35 | RST38h | General: people really hate "out of your depth" comments |
| 15:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, oh, sure, but it's tiresome to get responses like that when you're just trying to pass on some advice. ;) |
| 15:45.23 | Stskeeps | interesting, python is part of SDK |
| 15:45.55 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Any sign of other runtimes? |
| 15:46.02 | Stskeeps | hmm.. looking |
| 15:46.31 | Stskeeps | no vala sorry |
| 15:48.41 | yerga | Stskeeps, there is hildon-libs-l10n-public and hildon-libs-l10n-public-mr0 |
| 15:48.47 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:49.03 | yerga | 6.0+r6368 and 6.0, respectively |
| 15:50.50 | Stskeeps | let's see how much this new sdk breaks :P |
| 15:51.49 | yerga | I am just testing the new hildon widgets |
| 15:51.55 | Stskeeps | how are they? |
| 15:51.58 | yerga | hildon-pannable-area looks good |
| 15:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | wishes Reggie hadn't made the alpha release a news item. |
| 15:52.12 | Stskeeps | i'd love to see screenshots, as it'll take a while before i can start playing with them |
| 15:52.24 | GeneralAntilles | itT users are exactly the audience it's not intended for. |
| 15:52.25 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i just wish he would fix the cross-poster he's using. |
| 15:52.27 | yerga | Stskeeps, I am doing screenshots too |
| 15:52.47 | X-Fade | yerga: blog! |
| 15:53.12 | yerga | :), I will upload it to Share on Ovi then |
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| 15:53.28 | Stskeeps | and so it starts in .dk .. bundled asus eee and 3g subscription |
| 15:53.37 | Stskeeps | for less than a dollar |
| 15:53.46 | Stskeeps | (subscription costs something obviously) |
| 15:53.46 | RST38h | yerga: any really interestnig screenshots btw? |
| 15:53.58 | RST38h | i.e. not just the empty screen but some new features? =) |
| 15:54.27 | RST38h | Sts: Lots of unsold EEEs and ASUS has to roll out new models for Christmas? |
| 15:54.51 | pupnik | acer one's keyboard is a bit better |
| 15:54.53 | Stskeeps | possibly |
| 15:55.27 | Stskeeps | wtf reggie. "A new revamped UI and a new media application framework dubbed "Ohm" " |
| 15:55.27 | yerga | RST38h, the screenshots tell little, it's better play with it |
| 15:55.35 | Stskeeps | that is -not- a media application framework |
| 15:56.14 | ||cw | Stskeeps: the 900? |
| 15:56.59 | Stskeeps | huh :P |
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| 15:57.38 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, do you want to correct him or should I? :P |
| 15:57.42 | Stskeeps | i did |
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| 15:57.51 | Stskeeps | that was just way too offensive for my tastes |
| 15:57.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:57.52 | RST38h | "Entire class fails computing exam by submitting in Word format" |
| 15:57.58 | RST38h | shakes in satanic laughter |
| 15:57.59 | Stskeeps | hah |
| 15:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, [url=http://ohm.freedesktop.org/wiki/]Open Hardware Manage[/url] :P |
| 15:59.01 | Stskeeps | RST38h: we had an algorithmics class.. the TA told us we could hand in, in any language.. so we took in everything ranging from COMAL to PSX basic.. |
| 15:59.26 | Stskeeps | everyone was accepted, except for the guy who handed in in playstation basic, the TA thought that was pure shit language :P |
| 15:59.36 | Stskeeps | (.. that guy ended up as a phd student) :P |
| 16:00.04 | b1ackd3ath | any one get the new extended batt for the n810 and do you like it |
| 16:00.36 | RST38h | Sts: If I were your TA, I would just remember that. And wait, WAIT for a good opportunity to fail you all ho ho Ho HO HO |
| 16:03.18 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, is it worth breaking up the "Implement new maemo.org look" task into several smaller tasks? |
| 16:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I committed just the big one because I wasn't certain of all the smaller pieces. ;) |
| 16:03.56 | timeless | hello world |
| 16:04.02 | timeless | what's the official name for the latest sdk? :) |
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| 16:04.42 | Stskeeps | fremantle alpha sdk? :P |
| 16:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, pre-alpha |
| 16:04.46 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 16:04.48 | Stskeeps | pre-alpha |
| 16:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | I think the alpha may still be coming in December. |
| 16:05.20 | Stskeeps | yeah, i'm waiting for OHM, and the release of legacy dsm :P |
| 16:05.35 | GeneralAntilles | How long overdue is that DSME code now? :\ |
| 16:05.36 | Stskeeps | (they announced ohm atleast) |
| 16:05.37 | Stskeeps | quite |
| 16:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | The Summit was in September |
| 16:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | It was supposed to be available that Monday |
| 16:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | then 2 weeks after the Summit |
| 16:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | now we may never see it. |
| 16:06.30 | Stskeeps | i think they realised what it actually contained |
| 16:06.30 | timeless | not the pre alpha one |
| 16:06.34 | timeless | and i want the official name |
| 16:06.48 | timeless | the one for the product i could actually buy :) |
| 16:06.58 | Stskeeps | maemo 5.0? :P |
| 16:07.07 | timeless | i can't buy that :) |
| 16:07.12 | timeless | and i mean the sdk :) |
| 16:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_prealpha_main/ |
| 16:07.19 | timeless | this question isn't meant ot be that confusing |
| 16:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | Are you indexing the code now? :P |
| 16:07.38 | timeless | (it is a hard question once you start getting to the right product, but... you're not even in the right year!) |
| 16:07.55 | timeless | i'm reviewing an update to the sdk docs |
| 16:07.55 | timeless | and the sdk can't figure out what to call it |
| 16:07.57 | timeless | (itself rather) |
| 16:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand |
| 16:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | According to that |
| 16:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | the SDK is "Maemo SDK" |
| 16:08.31 | timeless | which means i figured i'd ask people who might actually use it |
| 16:08.31 | timeless | to see if they knew what it was called :) |
| 16:08.39 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, looks like initfs will indeed be done (as said many times before). Have you seen osso core config? ttyusb now runs cal-tool from the rootfs rather than chrooting to /mnt/initfs like in diablo |
| 16:08.40 | GeneralAntilles | So a specific release of the "Maemo SDK" would be the "Maemo 5 SDK" |
| 16:08.44 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: how did you make the wifi work in deblet? Installing tablet-hw-n8x0-support just makes Mer unable to boot.. |
| 16:08.45 | qwerty12 | s/done/gone |
| 16:08.54 | timeless | alright |
| 16:09.05 | timeless | i'd still rather you talked about 4 and not 5 :) |
| 16:09.13 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: no i did not yet |
| 16:09.13 | timeless | vaporware doesn't interest me |
| 16:09.19 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, well, it's certainly not the Maemo 4 SDK |
| 16:09.24 | GeneralAntilles | As that was released a year ago. |
| 16:09.38 | timeless | we're releasing an update to the doc for that |
| 16:09.43 | timeless | since i'm reviewing it now |
| 16:09.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: and noone says we can't have "boot to seperate partition" though :P |
| 16:10.14 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe, I wonder how that will be managed... maybe we get to choose kernel command line on the fly :P |
| 16:10.28 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: sorry, i'll have to get back to you on that, i'm way too information overloaded right now |
| 16:10.40 | Stskeeps | and way too little energy to deal with all of it :) |
| 16:10.52 | Stskeeps | i'll add it to my queue of things to do |
| 16:11.00 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: :P |
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| 16:14.37 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You did see this one right? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style |
| 16:15.01 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yes, which is what reminded me to ask about that. ;) |
| 16:15.23 | timeless | kiicks svn |
| 16:15.42 | X-Fade | I still need to find out what Reggie needs to have done for talk. |
| 16:15.49 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'm just thinking it'd be easier to have 5 or 6 tasks and 4 of them end up completed by January than 1 task that ends up most of the way done but gets carried over. ;) |
| 16:16.04 | X-Fade | Yes, true. |
| 16:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | But, it's up to you. |
| 16:16.14 | X-Fade | Separate tasks is better. |
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| 16:17.46 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: how well does scrum work for you people in maemo.org? |
| 16:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I don't have enough background to make a judgement call on that one. |
| 16:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say it works pretty well |
| 16:18.26 | timeless | sighs |
| 16:18.27 | GeneralAntilles | but falls apart a bit when people fail to follow procedure |
| 16:18.29 | timeless | kicks something |
| 16:18.31 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 16:18.36 | GeneralAntilles | underreporting is a big issue |
| 16:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | particularly with people not directly involved with maemo.org |
| 16:19.04 | GeneralAntilles | Nemien folks and Nokians, etc. |
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| 16:19.36 | Stskeeps | microblogging could be a solution maybe to that |
| 16:19.43 | Khertan3 | Hello ! |
| 16:19.44 | Stskeeps | easier than logging into a wiki and editing |
| 16:20.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather they spend an extra 2 minutes and have it all in one place. |
| 16:20.16 | GeneralAntilles | bails from the SDK thread for the time being. |
| 16:20.33 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: one thing to prod nokia about, pushing SDK updates into stage svn |
| 16:20.49 | Stskeeps | the versions are damned out of sync atm |
| 16:21.11 | Stskeeps | stage svn/git/whatever :P |
| 16:21.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'm quite certain sjgadsby's ploy with breaking up the bug jar is pure karma whoring. :P |
| 16:21.33 | Khertan3 | hum .... i think we will hear many whining this next week .... |
| 16:21.46 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan3, they love to whine. |
| 16:21.55 | Khertan3 | like me |
| 16:21.56 | Khertan3 | != |
| 16:21.57 | Khertan3 | :) |
| 16:22.32 | Knowledge | ahoy hoy people...I forgot I had asked a question in here haha |
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| 16:22.50 | Stskeeps | Khertan3: hehe, saw meiz's mer screenshots? http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer , - it isn't that horridly difficult to get a hildon desktop going :) |
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| 16:23.20 | Stskeeps | so people shouldn't whine too loudly |
| 16:23.24 | Khertan3 | nope i look |
| 16:23.33 | Stskeeps | Khertan3: you did the home* python applets? |
| 16:24.10 | Knowledge | General: I never noticed how slow the 770 is until you mentioned it yesterday.... |
| 16:24.39 | Khertan3 | Stskeeps: yep ? why ? |
| 16:24.49 | Stskeeps | Khertan3: we'll probably include those in Mer :) |
| 16:24.55 | Khertan3 | héhé ... |
| 16:25.00 | Stskeeps | as they're open source and working nicely |
| 16:25.06 | Khertan3 | if you have idea for other |
| 16:25.10 | Khertan3 | i can do it too :) |
| 16:25.15 | Stskeeps | we'll have plenty coming up |
| 16:25.23 | Khertan3 | stskeeps > do you have see hometools ? |
| 16:25.24 | Khertan3 | :) |
| 16:25.33 | Stskeeps | yeah, think i saw a screenshot |
| 16:25.53 | Khertan3 | http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot01_m.jpg |
| 16:25.59 | Khertan3 | oups ... not this one |
| 16:26.00 | Stskeeps | you do status bar applets too btw? |
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| 16:26.06 | Khertan3 | http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot00_m.jpg |
| 16:26.16 | Stskeeps | hehe, looks cool |
| 16:26.25 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: My guess is that a lot of things from stage will move to git. |
| 16:26.31 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:26.38 | Khertan3 | Stskeeps> nope i ven't done one yet ... but status bar should not be very difficult to do too |
| 16:26.39 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Ferenc is setting that up now. |
| 16:26.45 | Stskeeps | lookin' forward to it |
| 16:27.05 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: And my guess is that you will see more active development there. |
| 16:28.42 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: I deleted start-x things from rc.local, and started hildon-desktop as user, matchbox-w-m did not start... |
| 16:30.12 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, it probably needs a bit of tinkering to work |
| 16:30.23 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 16:31.28 | Stskeeps | bbl |
| 16:31.41 | Meiz_n810 | why is solca living in the other side of the earth? |
| 16:31.53 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
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| 16:34.07 | timeless | gah, eds is annoying |
| 16:34.21 | timeless | wonders how many tagged versions of eds are in svn |
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| 16:36.47 | Khertan3 | eds ? the none Evolution sort of Data but not a Server ? |
| 16:37.02 | disco_stu | Khertan2, you should not make the refreshing thhing noticeable |
| 16:38.33 | Khertan3 | disco_stu ... hum... maybe |
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| 16:39.09 | lcuk | runs in sticks a "kick me" sign on Khertan3 and runs away again :P |
| 16:39.28 | Khertan3 | lol |
| 16:39.33 | Khertan3 | hi lcuk |
| 16:39.40 | disco_stu | ill probably hack it , to avoid that |
| 16:39.52 | Khertan3 | héhé ... not so hard |
| 16:39.56 | lcuk | hiya, i really cant stop hope everything is going well with your rebuild |
| 16:40.06 | lcuk | cya later |
| 16:40.43 | Khertan3 | remove the set_label() in the def foreground before the call to the get_text |
| 16:41.08 | Khertan3 | lcuk > this is going well ... but a bit slow |
| 16:41.25 | X-Fade | Props to bahram1 for noticing that he could edit his own karma score and making it 6000 ;) |
| 16:41.37 | lcuk | knows that feeling. |
| 16:41.47 | lcuk | oooh X-Fade can we all do it |
| 16:41.55 | X-Fade | lcuk: You could.. |
| 16:42.00 | X-Fade | But not anymore ;) |
| 16:42.00 | lcuk | could i edit yours? |
| 16:42.10 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan3, if only your clones were real. |
| 16:42.25 | X-Fade | No, you could only edit your own score. Although it got reset each night. |
| 16:42.27 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice to put your stuff together as an on-device development suite. |
| 16:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, who are we gonna con into building an autotester |
| 16:43.07 | lcuk | khertan doesnt need clones, he current uses 6 tablets at a time (i wont tell you how he manages it, but make sure you dont pick up his tablets) |
| 16:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if Nokia's got anything internally. . . . |
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| 16:44.10 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It really depends on what we want to test. |
| 16:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, there's that. |
| 16:45.03 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe if we kindnap some users and make them test incoming software Clockwork Orange-style. . . . |
| 16:45.06 | Khertan3 | GeneralAntilles > héhé ... yep my clone leak a good ia |
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| 16:46.06 | gnuton | sera |
| 16:46.13 | Khertan3 | ia == ai |
| 16:47.06 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, s/kidnap/hire/ and I'm all for it |
| 16:47.09 | AStorm | :> |
| 16:47.16 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, pfft |
| 16:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | We don't have the cash for that. |
| 16:47.29 | AStorm | pity :( |
| 16:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's slave labor or nothing. :P |
| 16:47.51 | GeneralAntilles | That said, we should set up an infrastructure for volunteer testing. |
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| 16:55.00 | RST38h | General: and incentives too |
| 16:55.00 | RST38h | or nobody will test |
| 16:55.10 | GAN800 | RST38h, karma |
| 16:55.51 | yerga | The promised screenshots: http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets |
| 16:56.50 | Khertan3 | ? ... |
| 16:56.52 | Khertan3 | really ? |
| 16:56.59 | Khertan3 | i was disapointed ! |
| 16:57.06 | Khertan3 | i'm disapointed ! |
| 16:57.10 | Stskeeps | Khertan3: unthemed |
| 16:57.18 | Khertan3 | specially by this one : http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11969 |
| 16:57.22 | yerga | Khertan3, they are simple examples |
| 16:57.47 | yerga | I think there some widgets not updated yet. |
| 16:57.49 | Stskeeps | oh, finger vs stylus, neat |
| 16:58.04 | Stskeeps | yerga: is it intentional all the dialogs are in the bottom? |
| 16:58.21 | yerga | Stskeeps, they are put there automatically |
| 16:58.25 | yerga | but you can move it |
| 16:58.28 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 16:58.46 | Khertan3 | http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11968 |
| 16:59.10 | yerga | This is nice: http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11978 |
| 16:59.11 | Stskeeps | yerga: thanks, will be interesting to try on mer |
| 16:59.15 | yerga | with multiple selections |
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| 17:00.03 | derf | Being able to move dialogs is already a big improvement. |
| 17:00.06 | Khertan3 | yerga: does there is inline editing with : http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11978 |
| 17:00.07 | Khertan3 | ? |
| 17:00.13 | Khertan3 | derf: or not |
| 17:00.55 | yerga | Khertan3, no it's static not editable |
| 17:01.06 | qwerty12 | derf, It can be already be done now (albeit being a hack) |
| 17:01.24 | Khertan3 | yerga > snifff |
| 17:01.51 | Stskeeps | remember this is -pre alpha- sdk :P |
| 17:02.11 | Khertan3 | start thinking that all this kinetic things will be mainly done the next device with a better touch feeling |
| 17:02.24 | yerga | Khertan3, but there is other pannable are with a treeview |
| 17:02.32 | yerga | it could be editable |
| 17:02.34 | derf | qwerty12: Or I could just rewrite all the code myself, but I have better things to do with my time. |
| 17:03.06 | Khertan3 | yerga > i already do it with treeview :) this is why i ask as it seems to be a easier widget to use |
| 17:03.35 | yerga | Khertan3, yeah it looks better than the treeview |
| 17:03.59 | yerga | this has a treeview: http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11980 |
| 17:04.06 | yerga | with gestures ;) |
| 17:04.20 | Khertan3 | but to be honest, i can t have much feeling about this widget without reading the api :) |
| 17:04.30 | Khertan3 | and a theming :) |
| 17:05.12 | Khertan3 | http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot54_m.jpg <- this is a treeview |
| 17:05.31 | Khertan3 | an other one -> : http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.mcalendar1_m.jpg |
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| 17:06.04 | yerga | Khertan3, looks nice the new UI |
| 17:06.55 | Khertan3 | this is not the new one :) |
| 17:07.12 | Khertan3 | i thinking of more things for the new one |
| 17:07.34 | Khertan3 | like a real week view |
| 17:07.41 | Khertan3 | and month display |
| 17:07.58 | Khertan3 | moving tool bar on the left, right or bottom |
| 17:08.12 | Khertan3 | a question about Maemo5 |
| 17:08.45 | Khertan3 | if it ll use omap3 ... this means that application should be specifically compiled for omap3 and omap2 to be compatible right ? |
| 17:09.13 | Khertan3 | so we will need separate repository for omap3 and omap2 based device right ? |
| 17:09.46 | disco_stu | dont think so |
| 17:09.58 | disco_stu | both are arm |
| 17:10.21 | disco_stu | architecture is what matters |
| 17:10.24 | Khertan3 | but doesn't support the same instructions if i understand well |
| 17:10.52 | qwerty12 | I don't think so, you only use processor specific instructions if you specify them iirc |
| 17:11.22 | Khertan3 | yep |
| 17:13.09 | Khertan3 | ok the two have the same arch ... arm11 |
| 17:13.29 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i'm breaking Mer repo right now |
| 17:13.42 | disco_stu | day one booting from sd and everything normal |
| 17:14.10 | Khertan3 | Mer repo ? |
| 17:14.37 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: phew, imager just finished downloading :P |
| 17:14.40 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:14.48 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i can't promise it will work :P |
| 17:15.01 | Meizirkki | Repo Imager or what? |
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| 17:15.12 | Stskeeps | as in, the setup you just got |
| 17:15.20 | Meizirkki | What do you mean? |
| 17:15.37 | Stskeeps | if you just finished dling i don't know if you got new libhildon or not :) |
| 17:16.05 | Meizirkki | new one will break something? |
| 17:16.56 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 17:17.00 | Stskeeps | so we'll see |
| 17:18.15 | Stskeeps | is waiting for some chinese rolls to cook, as he's kinda out of balance wrt food today :P |
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| 17:25.53 | qwerty12 | Meizirkki, hey, your Mer screenies aren't showing :/ |
| 17:25.59 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 17:26.05 | Meizirkki | at itT |
| 17:26.06 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 17:26.10 | qwerty12 | yep |
| 17:26.18 | Meizirkki | arrgh |
| 17:26.26 | Meizirkki | worked for me |
| 17:28.09 | Stskeeps | picasaweb works a bit oddly |
| 17:28.32 | Stskeeps | groans at fremantle sdk |
| 17:29.23 | Meizirkki | picasaweb has shitty copy-control :( |
| 17:31.15 | sp3000 | well that's odd |
| 17:31.35 | sp3000 | clicking on the most recent news item heading on maemo.org goes to ... maemo.org |
| 17:31.47 | Stskeeps | sp3000: hinted that to bergie earlier |
| 17:31.51 | disco_stu | i hate the stupid microb stealing focus ffrom other appz |
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| 17:32.13 | sp3000 | oh, the read more link does too, heh |
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| 17:34.49 | Stskeeps | okay, someone seriously needs to explain to me the sense of the -mr, -public, etc packages. |
| 17:35.02 | Stskeeps | and how the heck they layed out |
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| 17:41.53 | Stskeeps | ponders if he should simply start all over since they didn't bother to keep svn updated anyway |
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| 17:47.29 | sp3000 | Stskeeps: meh, I'll file a bug |
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| 17:48.13 | sp3000 | can't map Stskeeps to an email address, so nyah, no cc |
| 17:48.50 | Stskeeps | er, what bug? :P |
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| 17:49.47 | lardman | evening |
| 17:49.52 | Stskeeps | evening |
| 17:49.59 | lardman | where's my Fremantle n810 image then? ;) |
| 17:50.18 | Stskeeps | hands lardman a bunch of l10n packages to play with. |
| 17:50.21 | qwerty12 | We had a fight over who was getting it and it went into the fire :/ |
| 17:50.28 | sp3000 | oh, yes I can |
| 17:50.29 | lardman | damn! :) |
| 17:50.39 | sp3000 | was using a bogus profile url |
| 17:50.46 | sp3000 | Stskeeps: just the bad linkage |
| 17:50.52 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 17:53.03 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: should I hold off on trying a build then? |
| 17:53.32 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, just right now |
| 17:53.39 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 17:53.49 | Stskeeps | there were more changes than i expected |
| 17:53.56 | r2d2rogers | one less excuse to put off work ;0 |
| 17:56.40 | Stskeeps | feel free to check if you strip all the hildon packages and such from mer-foundation to see if you can get ubuntu going, always a good exersise |
| 17:57.08 | r2d2rogers | cool |
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| 18:07.24 | Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-translations |
| 18:07.26 | lardman | anyone checked to see if the Fremantle binaries are compiled for Cortex? |
| 18:07.40 | Stskeeps | not yet |
| 18:07.44 | Stskeeps | i'm busy unbreaking mer :P |
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| 18:14.10 | lcuk | lardman, have you got 5.0 up and running yet |
| 18:18.13 | lardman | lcuk: no, been out all day |
| 18:18.17 | lcuk | ditto |
| 18:18.21 | lardman | lcuk: would like to do so asap though |
| 18:18.44 | lardman | I need to look at Mer and how to build images the Debian way |
| 18:18.48 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: can you get mer repo up soon? |
| 18:18.52 | lcuk | yeah im gonna see how it sits inside the vmware thingy and if its not comfortable ill drag out the craptop |
| 18:19.14 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it will take a while.. why? |
| 18:19.30 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i do have a zfs snapshot of the old repo though |
| 18:19.36 | Stskeeps | what do you need from it? |
| 18:19.42 | Meizirkki | I wanna install h-i-m etc. :P |
| 18:19.46 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:19.49 | Stskeeps | sec |
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| 18:19.56 | Meizirkki | no |
| 18:20.04 | Meizirkki | you don't need to give me it |
| 18:20.16 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 18:20.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:20.20 | Meizirkki | i can live without :P |
| 18:20.21 | Stskeeps | it is running, the repo |
| 18:20.23 | Stskeeps | just fyi |
| 18:20.25 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 18:20.30 | Stskeeps | it is just not that installable from scratch |
| 18:20.52 | Meizirkki | why? |
| 18:20.59 | Stskeeps | cos all the l10n packages are wacked to hell |
| 18:20.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:21.03 | Meizirkki | k |
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| 18:21.11 | lardman | solca: ping |
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| 18:26.58 | Jaffa | signs off - since he's been ill for the last 5 days and it doesn't look like I'll be doing computer time for a while |
| 18:27.18 | qwerty12 | :/ |
| 18:27.24 | lardman | get well soon! |
| 18:27.28 | Jaffa | ta |
| 18:27.32 | Stskeeps | indeed, get well soon dude |
| 18:33.25 | lardman | Stskeeps: where are the debootstrap files you guys use? |
| 18:34.56 | Stskeeps | lardman: well since im pushing in fremantle sdk stuff atm, you can't bootstrap :P but, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/imager/files |
| 18:35.07 | Stskeeps | i have a tar.gz but cant find the url just right now |
| 18:35.38 | lardman | np |
| 18:35.48 | Stskeeps | it |
| 18:35.56 | Stskeeps | 's generally meant to be possible to target all sorts of diff configurations |
| 18:36.00 | lardman | you're sticking in the Fremantle stuff which is what I wanted to do |
| 18:36.27 | Stskeeps | well right now an upgraded libhildon is nice |
| 18:36.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:36.34 | Meizirkki | tar.gz it somewhere around bsd.tspre.org |
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| 18:36.49 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: it works now? |
| 18:36.53 | Stskeeps | not yet.. :P |
| 18:36.55 | Stskeeps | be patient |
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| 18:40.10 | qwerty12 | haxors osso-statusbar-cpu to bring back the old background picture |
| 18:42.17 | Meizirkki | This libhildon i have, must be installed with --force-overwite |
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| 18:42.40 | Meizirkki | *write |
| 18:42.42 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 18:42.56 | Meizirkki | is this the new one? |
| 18:43.01 | Stskeeps | no clue |
| 18:43.06 | Stskeeps | version? |
| 18:43.10 | Meizirkki | oh |
| 18:43.14 | Meizirkki | it's not |
| 18:43.31 | Meizirkki | 2.0.1-1ubuntu7 |
| 18:44.03 | Meizirkki | ubuntu instead of mer so... |
| 18:44.13 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 18:49.47 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 18:50.50 | Stskeeps | interesting, libopenmax has a vorbis decoder |
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| 18:52.28 | lcuk | throws a snowball @ Stskeeps |
| 18:53.25 | Meizirkki | lcuk: where did you get snow? :P |
| 18:53.42 | lcuk | forward thinking, i put some in the freezer |
| 18:54.00 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 18:54.52 | lcuk | now, i have a lot i was meant to do yesterday but then also so much thats been announced today |
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| 19:01.28 | Knowledge | is it possible to run mplayer on 07HE? |
| 19:01.34 | lcuk | try it |
| 19:01.44 | Knowledge | because unless I'm retarded, it's not working (playing back files) |
| 19:01.47 | lcuk | what would break if i setup a diablo machine to point at the sdk toolkit and did an update |
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| 19:08.39 | Stskeeps | lcuk: boom? :P |
| 19:08.56 | lcuk | heh didnt think anything else |
| 19:12.42 | lardman | lcuk: let us know :) |
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| 19:14.29 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, on the device? if in blue pill mode, nothing bad but if you are in red pill, as long as you know what you're updating, you should be fine |
| 19:15.06 | lardman | I guess some initfs tweaking will be needed too |
| 19:15.24 | lardman | wonders what changes have been made to the omap2 code in the new kernel |
| 19:15.35 | yerga | I am installing fremantle glib/gtk/hildon in Diablo ;) |
| 19:15.40 | lcuk | its ok ill leave it for now, im gonna try and get scratchbox running on the craptop, but since the 3d on my current 810 is better im not sure it will be worth it |
| 19:15.40 | Stskeeps | lardman: well solca has a 2.6.28 running so |
| 19:15.56 | lardman | and Fremantle is 2.6.27? |
| 19:16.09 | Stskeeps | 2.6.28rc6 |
| 19:16.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:16.15 | lardman | ah ok |
| 19:16.20 | lcuk | i might actually just start looking at clutter. they havent used tidy have they |
| 19:17.51 | Stskeeps | i am actually surprised they ported hildon desktop from 4 to 5 |
| 19:17.53 | Stskeeps | that's a nice gesture |
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| 19:18.27 | lardman | dsme is gone |
| 19:18.41 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know |
| 19:18.48 | Stskeeps | OHM will replace it, and replace mce too |
| 19:18.51 | Stskeeps | what i said all the time |
| 19:19.11 | lardman | no ohm in the release though, yet |
| 19:19.55 | lcuk | does the lotus position and starts meditating |
| 19:20.03 | lcuk | ohhhhhHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:20.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Sound constipated :p |
| 19:20.35 | Stskeeps | lardman: it'll come they said |
| 19:20.42 | lardman | yep |
| 19:20.55 | lardman | just thinking in the interim, keep dsme I guess |
| 19:21.04 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 19:21.16 | lcuk | let me get this straight: the ui is built ontop of clutter, not built directly on ogl |
| 19:21.26 | Stskeeps | lcuk: sec |
| 19:21.39 | lardman | lcuk: gtk with clutter components, those use opengl |
| 19:21.42 | lardman | something like that |
| 19:21.55 | Stskeeps | lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle is full now |
| 19:21.55 | lardman | mm, food time :) |
| 19:21.57 | lardman | bbiab |
| 19:22.02 | lcuk | yes, i realise that, but what i mean is a client app does not directly touch ogl |
| 19:28.17 | Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-translations <- so who starts making OSS translations? :> |
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| 19:28.51 | Stskeeps | andre__: suggestion for statistic.. how many % of bugs were against open source components |
| 19:29.06 | Stskeeps | could be useful in the future |
| 19:29.07 | qwerty12_N800 | i'll do east london and lcuk can do northerner |
| 19:29.26 | andre__ | for that i'd have to know exactly what components are not open source :-) |
| 19:29.32 | andre__ | but i agree, can be useful for argumentations |
| 19:29.46 | Stskeeps | "dude, fix it yourself"? ;> |
| 19:30.02 | andre__ | hey, that's my standard answer on *any* report :-P |
| 19:30.11 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you need ar eal londoner to do the east london translation, not some cheeky young upstart from the north |
| 19:30.24 | qwerty12_N800 | grr :p |
| 19:30.41 | timeless | why did bug jar 34 hit planet twice? |
| 19:31.53 | andre__ | because it's split now into platform and desktop |
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| 19:33.05 | lcuk | timeless, twice as many bugs? |
| 19:35.49 | sp3000 | mmm this talk of bugs is making me hungry |
| 19:36.36 | qwerty12_N800 | ~give sp3000 snails |
| 19:36.37 | infobot | ACTION gives snails to sp3000 |
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| 19:38.27 | RST38h | umgh |
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| 19:38.55 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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| 19:39.13 | RST38h | m! |
| 19:40.03 | Stskeeps | sets hildon-desktop to compile |
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| 19:48.14 | Meiz_n810 | tries to make wlan work in Mer (again) |
| 19:51.27 | RST38h | Are there any naming conventions for desktop/statusbar plugins? |
| 19:52.01 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: steps needed: cx3110x.ko (from deblet), and umac.ko from initfs, firmware 3826.arm in the firmware directory, chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal or something, ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 19:52.05 | Stskeeps | i -think- |
| 19:53.34 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i installed cx3110x-module, cx3110x-umac-module, udev, wlan-firmware, tablet-wireless from deblet repo... should make it? |
| 19:53.52 | Meiz_n810 | wlan-cal is needed? |
| 19:56.08 | Stskeeps | hmm. |
| 19:56.20 | Stskeeps | what does dmesg say and ifconfig -a |
| 19:56.35 | Meiz_n810 | i'm in chroot now... |
| 19:56.37 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:56.47 | Stskeeps | try simply to ifconfig wlan0 up, and /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart |
| 19:56.55 | Stskeeps | in mer |
| 19:57.28 | Stskeeps | there's a trick in deblet, network manager is patched towards liking cx3110x better |
| 19:57.51 | Meiz_n810 | what about /etc/ini.d/tablet-wireless? |
| 19:58.54 | Stskeeps | do a trick.. edit /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless and remove the # in front of ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 19:58.58 | Stskeeps | instead of everything i just said |
| 20:00.27 | Stskeeps | if nm-applet doesnt activate it at first, /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart |
| 20:01.54 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
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| 20:02.15 | kebomix_ | Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request-ebooks Here : |
| 20:02.17 | kebomix_ | http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:02.43 | Stskeeps | kebomix_: .. again, this is a publically logged channel, you just showed your IP.. do you really want a bunch of copyright fanatics after you? |
| 20:04.17 | solca | lardman: pong |
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| 20:05.36 | Stskeeps | lo solca |
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| 20:07.02 | Stskeeps | evening qgi1 |
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| 20:08.00 | solca | Stskeeps: :P |
| 20:08.08 | lcuk | hiya qgi1, come to hand out cigars :P |
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| 20:08.24 | solca | he was pinging me just 1 hour ago |
| 20:08.36 | solca | hopefully is not night at the other end of the world |
| 20:08.47 | solca | :) |
| 20:08.57 | qgi1 | hi there, reading the logs... |
| 20:09.00 | Meiz_n810 | hi solca :) |
| 20:09.05 | solca | Meiz_n810: hi! |
| 20:09.29 | solca | I read your post about the gui rebooting |
| 20:09.34 | Meiz_n810 | Wifi almost worked, no more file not founds |
| 20:09.41 | solca | have you access to your nit now? |
| 20:09.54 | Meiz_n810 | i am chatting from it |
| 20:10.16 | solca | hmm so you don't wanna reboot? |
| 20:10.21 | solca | hehe... |
| 20:10.46 | Stskeeps | thinks Meiz is getting a thrill from all this testing of new stuff :P |
| 20:11.10 | Meiz_n810 | solca: i can, but then i have to chat from my cellphone |
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| 20:11.17 | lardman | solca: was going to ask if you'd looked at the new kernel code |
| 20:11.33 | solca | lardman: what new code? |
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| 20:11.36 | lardman | hi qgi1 |
| 20:11.44 | Stskeeps | solca: fremantle pre-alpha sdk came out today |
| 20:11.47 | Stskeeps | with updated kernel code |
| 20:11.52 | solca | Meiz_n810: ok just pushing you hehe but no prob |
| 20:12.23 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: wlan_cal failed when booting Mer :( |
| 20:12.29 | lardman | solca: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ |
| 20:12.29 | solca | Stskeeps: do you know if it ships with wifi code? |
| 20:12.40 | Stskeeps | solca: didn't look at it yet |
| 20:12.47 | solca | Stskeeps: no :( |
| 20:12.49 | Stskeeps | i've been buried in l10n for the most of the evening |
| 20:12.56 | qgi1 | X-Fade: you wer wondering about Modest |
| 20:13.02 | Meiz_n810 | solca: can you help me to get wlan working in android? |
| 20:13.09 | solca | Meiz_n810: sure |
| 20:13.11 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hmm. is /mnt/initfs mounted? |
| 20:13.21 | lardman | qgi1: same here |
| 20:13.25 | qgi1 | there are many things that appear as "Removed" in the comparison table but this is just because they are still not there in this first SDK |
| 20:13.34 | qgi1 | modest will be in fremantle |
| 20:13.41 | solca | lardman: will take a look if they have something useful |
| 20:13.49 | Meiz_n810 | solca: wifi goes on but search fails.. any ideas? :P |
| 20:13.50 | lardman | solca: :) |
| 20:14.03 | derf | j0! |
| 20:14.43 | solca | Meiz_n810: hmm probably wpa_supplicant |
| 20:15.01 | solca | Meiz_n810: if you could run wpa_cli |
| 20:15.08 | Meiz_n810 | solca: saw pastebin from logcat? |
| 20:15.11 | solca | and do a 'scan' command |
| 20:15.21 | solca | followed by 'scan_results' |
| 20:15.35 | solca | Meiz_n810: I'dont know why but pastebin is unaccessible from here right now |
| 20:15.45 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 20:16.04 | solca | Meiz_n810: will try again |
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| 20:17.02 | solca | Meiz_n810: no, I still can't access pastebin |
| 20:17.11 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 20:17.12 | Meiz_n810 | solca: i cannot you computer anymore :( it's 22.15 here, if i flash android kernel i can't get into maemo anymore :P |
| 20:17.23 | Meiz_n810 | s/you/use/ |
| 20:18.41 | solca | Meiz_n810: ok no problem, will investigate what is going on and maybe you can try tommorows (for you) new userspace |
| 20:18.54 | Meiz_n810 | okay :P |
| 20:19.19 | Meiz_n810 | if you only could see the pastebin :/ |
| 20:19.39 | solca | Meiz_n810: can you paste the same thing to ther paste service? |
| 20:19.46 | solca | s/ther/other |
| 20:19.56 | Meiz_n810 | hmm, i'll try |
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| 20:23.54 | solca | wow Maemo5 specs some impressive changes |
| 20:24.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, i'm looking forward to seeing it in action |
| 20:24.30 | Stskeeps | or right now, how libhildon works on n8x0 :P :P |
| 20:24.34 | dMaggot | hello guys, I'm using the eclipse esbox plugin to code maemo applications, but when I try to run things it throws me the following error on dbus: process 20075: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory |
| 20:24.40 | solca | will it work on N8x0? |
| 20:24.47 | Stskeeps | so far it compiles.. |
| 20:25.03 | dMaggot | I'd pastebin the whole log but my connection is too slow right now |
| 20:25.15 | solca | Stskeeps: so mer was from maemo5 from the beginnings? |
| 20:25.33 | Stskeeps | solca: i've taken most of the stuff from svn, yeah |
| 20:25.33 | Meiz_n810 | run dbus-uuidgen --ensure and try again |
| 20:25.35 | solca | dMaggot: pasting text is not bandwith intensive :P |
| 20:25.44 | Stskeeps | they did stump me a bit with the huge leap in libhildon though |
| 20:25.52 | Stskeeps | but i guess it was needed for marketing purposes |
| 20:26.08 | Stskeeps | solca: http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets <- example widgets (not themed) |
| 20:26.32 | Meiz_n810 | dMaggot: run dbus-uuidgen --ensure and try again |
| 20:26.47 | dMaggot | solca: I can't reach www.pastebin.com |
| 20:26.48 | solca | Stskeeps: that looks pretty nice |
| 20:26.59 | Stskeeps | dMaggot: rafb.net/paste |
| 20:27.05 | solca | dMaggot: me too... |
| 20:27.10 | qgi1 | Stskeeps: we get a lot of heat about any "new UI" |
| 20:27.40 | dMaggot | solca: haha sorry I thought it was my connection XD |
| 20:27.48 | Stskeeps | qgi1: hehe, i mostly care for functionality, which is what the example widgets show |
| 20:27.52 | Stskeeps | and those look interesting |
| 20:27.58 | qgi1 | even if all eyes are turned on S60 where the big numbers happen, if we would show Hildon+Clutter as they are we would probably generate 2 effects |
| 20:28.11 | dMaggot | Meiz_n810: thanks, that did the job |
| 20:28.31 | Meiz_n810 | no prob :P |
| 20:28.38 | qgi1 | 1) a lot of expectation around this humble alpha, Ari Jaaksi & our developers getting more questions and noise |
| 20:29.06 | qgi1 | 2) comments about all the things that still don't work fine that we know (and you need the time of those devs to polish) |
| 20:29.15 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 20:29.25 | Stskeeps | not theming isn't a fault, it's an pre-alpha afterall |
| 20:29.26 | qgi1 | this is why it was decided to release that later, when the whole thing is more solid and convincing at first sight |
| 20:29.53 | qgi1 | as a side effect, and as you have noted, the Diablo UI is now ported to Fremantle |
| 20:30.00 | Stskeeps | yup, much grateful |
| 20:30.12 | qgi1 | (you can invite mostly Kimmo Hamalainen to a beer when you find him) :) |
| 20:30.21 | Stskeeps | i'll remember that at next summit ;) |
| 20:31.21 | solca | Stskeeps: and do you know what booting mechanics will the use now? |
| 20:31.31 | Stskeeps | solca: so far it points to no initfs |
| 20:31.41 | Stskeeps | solca: besides that we don't know much |
| 20:31.57 | Stskeeps | we'll have to wait for the .. alpha sdk :) |
| 20:32.05 | solca | Stskeeps: hopefully they ship with kexec enabled kernel |
| 20:32.16 | Stskeeps | solca: your selector will definately be of good use on n8x0 atleast |
| 20:33.14 | solca | Stskeeps: do you know if they plan to release a maemo5 backport to n8x0? |
| 20:33.20 | solca | or thats why Mer exists? |
| 20:33.40 | Stskeeps | solca: no, that was announced today there won't be official one, but nokia seems to be highly interested in helping out with backport efforts |
| 20:33.47 | qgi1 | no initfs (but don't ask me more because I simply don't know) But asking Eero Tamminen in maemo-developers should be enough to know more since there are no secret there |
| 20:33.49 | Stskeeps | (there's a larger thread on it on iTT) |
| 20:34.02 | Stskeeps | qgi1: yeah, think i read it in a bugreport somewhere |
| 20:34.12 | qgi1 | me too, but can't recall which one Stskeeps |
| 20:34.19 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: wlan-cal: http://rafb.net/p/qvV2Uj73.html |
| 20:34.31 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: is that inside Mer? .. |
| 20:34.59 | timeless | anyone here have skype? |
| 20:35.00 | Meiz_n810 | thats mer in chroot, but it's exatcly same what i saw in fb-console |
| 20:35.07 | timeless | is looking for some vulnteer to chase a bug |
| 20:35.11 | timeless | hi quim |
| 20:35.13 | qgi1 | Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745 |
| 20:35.14 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: mer in chroot definately wont work with that :P |
| 20:35.18 | timeless | quim: i guess i responded too late for you |
| 20:35.27 | solca | Stskeeps: how you plan to cope with clutter which seems need hw gl accel? |
| 20:35.49 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: the same thing happens when i boot into it |
| 20:35.53 | qgi1 | timeless: since the answer was right it was not too late since I have done the change already - thanks! |
| 20:36.00 | Stskeeps | solca: so far maemo sw has been wonderful and ported diablo UI to maemo 5 :) |
| 20:36.04 | timeless | oh cool |
| 20:36.06 | Stskeeps | so we can do without the flashy stuff right now |
| 20:36.45 | Stskeeps | solca: you should give input on the bug qgil posted about kexec and your successes |
| 20:36.52 | solca | Stskeeps: diablo UI to a maemo 5 env or maemo 5 gui in sw rendering mode? |
| 20:37.08 | Stskeeps | solca: .. let me just phrase this correctly, sec :) |
| 20:37.22 | solca | qgi1: where is the bug report? |
| 20:37.31 | Stskeeps | solca: [21:34] <qgi1> Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745 |
| 20:37.46 | solca | thx |
| 20:37.56 | Stskeeps | solca: <= diablo UI is hildon-desktop, >= fremantle is probably something else |
| 20:38.03 | Stskeeps | but diablo UI works in fremantle, it seems, so |
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| 20:39.07 | solca | Stskeeps: ok I get it, have you tried fremantle in sw rendering mode (if possible) |
| 20:39.15 | Stskeeps | solca: that part of fremantle isn't out yet, so |
| 20:39.23 | Stskeeps | the new UI isn't in this pre-alpha so |
| 20:39.57 | Stskeeps | can't test |
| 20:40.05 | Stskeeps | i'm happy if we get a diablo on steroids, really |
| 20:40.15 | Stskeeps | get/make |
| 20:40.45 | qgi1 | yerga had some fun with the widgets... |
| 20:40.50 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: so, what's the command i should add to /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless, that it would mount initfs better |
| 20:41.04 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it really wonders me why it isn't mounted.. |
| 20:41.19 | qgi1 | yerga was probably one of the few Maemo hackers on holiday today |
| 20:41.20 | lcuk | cries at using a mouse to simulate touch |
| 20:41.21 | Stskeeps | look for /tmp/dsmesock or something |
| 20:41.32 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: it is, because wlan-cal starts |
| 20:41.38 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: that's true |
| 20:41.46 | Meiz_n810 | there is just nothing in /mnt/initfs/sys |
| 20:42.02 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'll hack at it a bit when i have hildon going again |
| 20:42.06 | Stskeeps | hope that's alright for now |
| 20:42.13 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 20:42.16 | solca | Meiz_n810: /sys is a ramfs which needs to be mounted |
| 20:42.32 | Stskeeps | yeah, and the script should mount it for us |
| 20:42.33 | Meiz_n810 | tablet-wireless mounts it |
| 20:42.41 | Stskeeps | unless it's not mounted yet when tablet-wireless in run |
| 20:42.42 | Meiz_n810 | i'll keep trying.. :) |
| 20:42.50 | Stskeeps | make sure /tmp/dsmesock exists |
| 20:42.57 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 20:43.15 | qgi1 | RST38h: "Maemo 5 is using SB2 as the default dev environment, right?" |
| 20:43.33 | qgi1 | not at this point, but if we can really get it in shape...... |
| 20:44.07 | qgi1 | a problem here is that we use the very same SB1 based SDK for internal development and change it at this point of the release is pretty risky |
| 20:44.26 | qgi1 | even if the SDK+ based on SB2 is in good shape |
| 20:44.53 | qgi1 | but I'd definitely recommend you to use it when you start getting serious in Fremantle development |
| 20:45.04 | qgi1 | feedback is welcome! |
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| 20:47.03 | lcuk | qgi1, :P you killed the chan, insert 1euro to continue. :D |
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| 20:48.00 | Stskeeps | qgi1: so far i'm personally satisfied with the pre-alpha :) |
| 20:48.46 | ShadowJK | hm, why this hate on initfs? |
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| 20:48.58 | timeless | a pain for maintenance/upgrades |
| 20:49.07 | timeless | and inconsistency w/ the rest of the world |
| 20:49.11 | Stskeeps | but absolutely lovable when things go wrong |
| 20:49.21 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, yes, precisely |
| 20:49.48 | qwerty12_N800 | initfs is the shit. tbh, a lot of maemo is inconsistent... |
| 20:49.53 | qgi1 | Stskeeps: the first wave of feedback seems to be mostly good |
| 20:50.09 | Stskeeps | either that or kernel should be able to boot through usb cable from some app :P |
| 20:50.16 | Stskeeps | or from mmc |
| 20:50.21 | qgi1 | looking for more comments from upstream developers, or those knowing well the upstream components |
| 20:50.34 | qgi1 | since this pre-alpha is partially for them also |
| 20:51.52 | solca | Stskeeps: I update the bug report, kexec should be included in next Nokia kernels |
| 20:52.12 | Stskeeps | solca: alright, let's see if we get any response :P |
| 20:53.07 | Stskeeps | waits on hildon-control-panel building |
| 20:53.52 | Stskeeps | so need to get sb2 going using m-vo's thoughts.. |
| 20:54.01 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: did you get GMP to compile? |
| 20:54.32 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I saw this: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-November/000218.html and tried downgrading to that version, but same error |
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| 20:54.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, don't think I did |
| 20:54.47 | Khertan_n810 | Hello ! |
| 20:54.49 | lcuk | yo! khertan |
| 20:54.55 | lardman | hey khertan |
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| 20:55.38 | Stskeeps | wb meiz |
| 20:55.59 | Meiz_n810 | no luck :( |
| 20:56.04 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, quick q, how are you gonna test and dev on device? are we both gonna have to carry desktops on the train with us |
| 20:56.04 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 20:56.45 | Khertan_n810 | gnié ? |
| 20:57.45 | Khertan_n810 | i dev on device ? why do you think we will need to carry desktop ? |
| 20:58.06 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: bug #2465 |
| 20:58.13 | lcuk | tsk, yes you work on your device dont you? or have you moved onto your laptop now |
| 20:58.28 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, will check in a min.. |
| 20:58.32 | Khertan_n810 | nope still on n810 :) |
| 20:58.52 | Khertan_n810 | i don t have any laptop |
| 20:59.06 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: it said something about blocks and sizes in the middle of failedmessages |
| 20:59.07 | lcuk | just like me :) |
| 20:59.12 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: k, so HAL |
| 20:59.24 | Stskeeps | was it still dsmesock problem? |
| 20:59.43 | Meiz_n810 | dsmesock exists |
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| 21:00.29 | Meiz_n810 | same problem what i pasted, but withsome block size messages |
| 21:00.33 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk> why this question ? |
| 21:00.35 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: looks like there's a work-around anyway |
| 21:00.35 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:00.50 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: will test in a mo, if this version fails... |
| 21:00.53 | lcuk | cos i wanna play with new toys |
| 21:02.25 | Khertan_n810 | which toys ? |
| 21:02.38 | qgi1 | Stskeeps & GeneralAntilles , about DSME and Ohm I honestly think the only reason for delays are the deliveries they owe to the Fremantle program |
| 21:02.45 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, cool, can't wait to see your qcalculate port ;P |
| 21:02.49 | Khertan_n810 | sony vaio ux are great |
| 21:02.57 | Stskeeps | qgi1: hehe, i figured as much |
| 21:02.58 | qgi1 | kernel ans system software teams are working at 200% these weeks |
| 21:03.03 | Stskeeps | i'm looking forward to it :) |
| 21:03.25 | Khertan_n810 | hi qgil |
| 21:03.38 | qgi1 | allo messir |
| 21:03.40 | qgi1 | er |
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| 21:03.56 | qgi1 | (my rotten French) |
| 21:04.31 | qgi1 | GeneralAntilles "I think the alpha may still be coming in December." |
| 21:04.36 | Khertan_n810 | héhé |
| 21:04.56 | qgi1 | nah, most probably a next load will come after New Year |
| 21:06.00 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: going to see if giac/xcas will work this time too |
| 21:07.05 | qgi1 | Soumya (she doesn't drink beer but you can invite her to any fresh juice) is the first one willing to have the alpha in place since then the process of automatic weekly releases can start: more releases and less work for her team |
| 21:10.27 | konttori_ | ah nice. we have published the alpha sdk. good! |
| 21:10.45 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 21:10.59 | konttori_ | by the way, tracker will also receive a new version in the upstream that will be synced with the maemo version |
| 21:11.11 | Khertan_n810 | i ll look at it tomorrow |
| 21:11.11 | konttori_ | it will be 0.6.9.x series |
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| 21:19.45 | Stskeeps | solca: with 770 you will run into not having wifi (so far).. |
| 21:20.17 | solca | Stskeeps: somebody is porting stlc45xx to 770 on the mailing list |
| 21:20.50 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 21:21.45 | solca | Stskeeps: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/stlc45xx-devel/2008-November/000058.html |
| 21:22.00 | Stskeeps | yeah, i knwo |
| 21:22.19 | Stskeeps | just that it isnt here here and now :) |
| 21:23.36 | solca | Stskeeps: right, running android on 770 would be overkill IMO |
| 21:23.54 | Stskeeps | yeah.. we'll see how well even mer runs :P |
| 21:24.01 | Stskeeps | probably murders it horribly |
| 21:24.05 | Stskeeps | we did kill one 770 in porting deblet |
| 21:24.29 | solca | Stskeeps: define kill, brick it? |
| 21:24.34 | Stskeeps | well it was indirect.. |
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| 21:24.42 | Stskeeps | guy wired up his own usb power |
| 21:24.50 | Stskeeps | and got it a bit wrong .. :) |
| 21:25.01 | Stskeeps | so, kill |
| 21:25.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:25.08 | solca | Stskeeps: casualties kills hehe |
| 21:25.23 | Stskeeps | at least it's not hosting companies like with my previous open source project |
| 21:25.40 | Stskeeps | they seemed to go bankrupt/close right after they donated us web space |
| 21:26.20 | solca | hehe and what you end doing, relocating your project? |
| 21:26.28 | Stskeeps | yep. and appreciating backups. |
| 21:27.17 | solca | is feeling an indirect... |
| 21:29.07 | Stskeeps | ponders how to organize the mer project |
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| 21:29.18 | solca | is exploring the new SDK kernel |
| 21:29.24 | Stskeeps | anything interesting? |
| 21:29.30 | solca | not so far |
| 21:29.43 | Stskeeps | nothing wifi related i presume |
| 21:29.44 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 21:29.51 | Meiz_n810 | is re-installing Mer (Surprise!) |
| 21:30.09 | qgi1 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/08/maemo-5-os-gets-pre-alpha-release-specs-beyond-your-wildest-ima/ got the multimedia framework called "Ohm"... |
| 21:30.12 | Meiz_n810 | there was something fucked up in the rootf |
| 21:30.14 | Meiz_n810 | s |
| 21:30.20 | Stskeeps | qgi1: yeah.. i pointed that out to Reggie |
| 21:30.33 | Stskeeps | it's a good name for a multimedia framework, though |
| 21:30.41 | timeless | ponders |
| 21:30.53 | timeless | so, the maemo sdk suggests i can deduct stuff from make |
| 21:30.54 | Stskeeps | but also for a power management framework, as it actually is :P |
| 21:31.00 | timeless | wants to deduct 200hours from make |
| 21:31.22 | timeless | (just for this week) |
| 21:32.53 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: .. repo still in flux, may break, etc |
| 21:32.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:33.21 | Stskeeps | .. probably will break since it's still recompiling hildon-desktop to work with the new files |
| 21:33.37 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: that does't matter :P |
| 21:33.49 | Stskeeps | ok :P |
| 21:33.59 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: it will be compiled before i get that far |
| 21:33.59 | Stskeeps | came to your senses and made a tar.gz copy? :P |
| 21:34.02 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:34.03 | Stskeeps | true |
| 21:34.11 | Stskeeps | though i wouldn't bet on it |
| 21:34.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:34.28 | Meiz_n810 | tar.gz copy? |
| 21:34.40 | Meiz_n810 | of the rootfs? |
| 21:34.44 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:34.51 | Stskeeps | so you dont have to reinstall all over all the time |
| 21:34.58 | Meiz_n810 | i'll think about it... :P |
| 21:35.16 | qgi1 | ok, it's been a long day - enjoy Fremantle! |
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| 21:37.15 | Marzec | greetings |
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| 21:37.46 | Stskeeps | evening |
| 21:37.48 | Marzec | quick question: is there a way to increase the cache of the media player? |
| 21:37.49 | Stskeeps | got your tablet resurrected? |
| 21:38.12 | Marzec | yes works perfectly fine thanks to all the helpful souls in this channel |
| 21:40.44 | Marzec | the mplayer port seems to not work with mms so im stuck with the gstreamer based media player which sucks at streaming due to a to small cache i guess |
| 21:41.01 | solca | Stskeeps: nothing interesting there, anyway will make a kernel and see how it behaves with n810 |
| 21:41.09 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:41.26 | Marzec | google doesn't give any hints so i was hoping someone in here has a trick up his sleeves |
| 21:42.01 | solca | Stskeeps: on the other side could be interesting know if Nokia plans to use the mac80211 with their new proprietary drivers (if any) |
| 21:42.17 | solca | or if it will ship with open wifi? |
| 21:42.20 | Stskeeps | solca: is there really any other choice? :P |
| 21:43.08 | solca | Stskeeps: sure, just code a proprietary drivers that just export wireless extension API |
| 21:43.46 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 21:43.59 | suihkulokki | thinks solca is not looking very closely |
| 21:44.52 | solca | suihkulokki: please point me in the right direction :P |
| 21:45.22 | suihkulokki | points all around the diff.gz file :P |
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| 21:45.47 | solca | suihkulokki: my bad... thx!! |
| 21:46.03 | Stskeeps | oh, ubifs, neat |
| 21:46.46 | Stskeeps | more confirmation it's called rx51.. rx51_defconfig |
| 21:47.34 | solca | hmm rx51 hardware |
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| 21:48.34 | solca | rx51: omap34xx based |
| 21:48.55 | Stskeeps | wl12xx.. |
| 21:49.18 | solca | wl12xx = mac80211 |
| 21:49.21 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 21:49.23 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.36 | solca | wl12xx uses mac80211 neat!! |
| 21:49.47 | lardman | is that an open chipset? |
| 21:50.06 | lardman | or the same as we have atm? |
| 21:50.28 | Stskeeps | WL1251 |
| 21:50.30 | Stskeeps | TI chipset? |
| 21:50.52 | Stskeeps | " OMAP: Add audio endpoint and route to FM TX chip in Nokia RX51" |
| 21:50.54 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 21:51.39 | lardman | hmm, FM output? |
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| 21:51.46 | Stskeeps | seems so |
| 21:51.57 | suihkulokki | like solca said, nothing interesting there, move along :P |
| 21:52.04 | lardman | ;) |
| 21:52.27 | solca | suihkulokki: :P yea, it even pack some n8x0 fixes |
| 21:52.33 | Stskeeps | RX51: Enable leds-twl4030-vibra and led-triggers in |
| 21:52.42 | lardman | solca: that's interesting |
| 21:52.59 | Stskeeps | RX51: enable the CMT speech driver <- .. no idea what that is |
| 21:53.31 | lardman | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?DCMP=WTBU&HQS=ProductBulletin+OT+twl4030&contentId=4634&templateId=6123 |
| 21:53.39 | lardman | can drive vibration driver |
| 21:56.03 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.08 | Stskeeps | oo <3 |
| 21:56.13 | lardman | :) |
| 21:56.25 | Stskeeps | i'm going to hug someone from nokia soon |
| 21:57.10 | `0660 | \o/ |
| 21:57.44 | Stskeeps | + * Add support for "audio -" (KEY_F8) and "audio +" (KEY_F7) keys.? |
| 21:57.55 | solca | si4713 v4l2 radio transmitter ? |
| 21:59.19 | solca | rx51 hwmon, finally sane monitoring |
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| 22:00.24 | lardman | http://www.xhl.com.cn/ramtron/Si4712-13_short.pdf |
| 22:00.25 | lcuk | so i need to get you lot bibs? you are drooling |
| 22:00.32 | lardman | yes :) |
| 22:00.34 | lcuk | so, do i ^ |
| 22:00.37 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:01.00 | Stskeeps | yes indeed |
| 22:01.02 | lardman | hmm, that can transmit RDS data |
| 22:01.03 | Stskeeps | solca: wifi driver looks oss |
| 22:01.07 | solca | suihkulokki: you shoud procure us (Stskeeps and me) some boards to point and fix any problems ;P |
| 22:01.11 | lcuk | this device is gonna be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet |
| 22:01.18 | solca | Stskeeps: right |
| 22:01.19 | Stskeeps | solca: i'd end up just drooling on it. |
| 22:01.23 | Stskeeps | and damage it :( |
| 22:01.31 | lcuk | nokia: provide drip trays |
| 22:01.47 | lardman | Is there an FM receiver? |
| 22:02.03 | Stskeeps | haven't seen one yet :/ |
| 22:02.11 | Stskeeps | is it needed with 3g? :P |
| 22:02.43 | solca | Stskeeps: it seems wifi will be oss and {mac,cfg}80211 based: NEAT!!! |
| 22:02.51 | lcuk | better gps? |
| 22:03.25 | Stskeeps | k, im going to go insane if i read this patch through |
| 22:03.34 | *** part/#maemo henrique_ (n=henrique@189.7.84.98) |
| 22:03.36 | lcuk | keep calm |
| 22:03.56 | solca | brief description: RX51 rules!! |
| 22:03.58 | lardman | Stskeeps: thought RDS might be interesting to try to download traffic info |
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| 22:04.46 | Stskeeps | lardman: yeah, true |
| 22:05.23 | solca | too bad is not based on 2.6.28 so it doesnt' use the new in kernel power,driver facilities |
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| 22:05.35 | lcuk | still time isnt there |
| 22:06.07 | ShadowJK | hm, how does ubifs compare to logfs? |
| 22:07.17 | solca | Stskeeps: definitely it looks good |
| 22:07.39 | solca | Stskeeps: now if we could have some borads will be nice for our projects |
| 22:07.49 | solca | Stskeeps: same lauch day support :) |
| 22:08.00 | solca | s/lauch/launch/ |
| 22:08.44 | lardman | PM: Changed secure RAM storage size from 0x8000 to 0x803F |
| 22:08.57 | lardman | interesting, does that mean it uses some of the secure features |
| 22:09.05 | lardman | perhaps to support the sim card? |
| 22:09.14 | Stskeeps | ok, headphone amplifier, ambient light sensor, http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726/lis302dl.htm (one of these honeys), http://rafb.net/p/cxSmi179.html |
| 22:09.46 | Stskeeps | and some confusing video decoders |
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| 22:10.19 | Stskeeps | broadcom bt .. |
| 22:10.30 | Stskeeps | +CONFIG_PVR_SUPPORT_SGX1=y |
| 22:10.31 | Stskeeps | hmm .. |
| 22:10.40 | lardman | * Phonet: fix oops in phonet_address_del() on non-Phonet device |
| 22:10.45 | lardman | hmm |
| 22:10.47 | Stskeeps | lardman: celluar modem |
| 22:10.52 | lardman | ok |
| 22:11.21 | solca | RX51: Add support for twl4030 keypad to rx51 |
| 22:11.43 | Stskeeps | we should probably think that this -might- be a devel board |
| 22:11.59 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:12.05 | lardman | * RX51: Boards currently in use require separate VDIG |
| 22:12.08 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm, accelerometers |
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| 22:12.19 | lcuk | * RX51: added support for kitchen sink |
| 22:12.25 | lcuk | yup, its a dev board |
| 22:12.28 | Stskeeps | lcuk: heh |
| 22:12.40 | Stskeeps | still |
| 22:12.48 | lcuk | excuse me a moment |
| 22:13.00 | lcuk | walks to the other side of the room and covers up |
| 22:13.05 | lcuk | FUCKING AWESOME!!!! |
| 22:13.12 | lcuk | walks calmly back |
| 22:13.29 | Stskeeps | huh.. |
| 22:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:13.36 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm giddy on the inside |
| 22:13.42 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:13.49 | lcuk | christmas and all that :D |
| 22:13.57 | lcuk | this is gonna be so much fun! |
| 22:14.02 | Stskeeps | what did i just run into .. |
| 22:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | accelerometers . . . man |
| 22:14.11 | lcuk | the amount of doors this opens is amazing |
| 22:14.33 | lcuk | flies around the room with his arms out |
| 22:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | shoots the flying zombie |
| 22:14.45 | lardman | you get this one?: http://www.analog.com/en/power-management/display-and-lighting/ADP1653/products/product.html |
| 22:15.09 | lardman | * RX51: Small delay for adp1653 power-up |
| 22:15.29 | lcuk | where are you actually reading this lot from |
| 22:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, it's got a flash. :P |
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| 22:15.52 | lardman | kernel Changelog |
| 22:15.57 | Stskeeps | lcuk: there's pvr stuff in the diff btw |
| 22:16.12 | lardman | http://www.aptina.com/assets/downloadDocument.do?id=178 |
| 22:16.13 | lardman | nice |
| 22:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | With a big bright screen, the flash LED, and the indicator LED, we can turn this thing into a regular brick'o'light |
| 22:16.23 | Stskeeps | SGX though |
| 22:16.24 | Stskeeps | not MBX |
| 22:16.25 | lardman | * MT9P012: Add driver |
| 22:16.48 | Stskeeps | lardman: there's mixed linux and nokia patches |
| 22:17.29 | lardman | it's also got a vga camera, which is good |
| 22:17.35 | lardman | ah ok |
| 22:17.45 | GeneralAntilles | Oh really? |
| 22:17.45 | lardman | * VS6555: Maximum exposure hack |
| 22:17.46 | GeneralAntilles | Dual cam |
| 22:17.47 | Stskeeps | interesting.. there might be MBX pieces in it too |
| 22:17.50 | GeneralAntilles | that'll make a lot of people interesting |
| 22:17.55 | solca | is building the nokia kernel |
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| 22:17.59 | lardman | http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:zzCsWsJLEcMJ:www.st.com/stonline/products/promlit/pdf/flstv09860208.pdf+VS6555&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk&client=firefox-a |
| 22:18.02 | Stskeeps | +menuconfig PVR |
| 22:18.02 | Stskeeps | +tristate "PowerVR Services framework" |
| 22:18.02 | Stskeeps | +help |
| 22:18.02 | Stskeeps | + Kernel-level support for the Imagination PowerVR Services framework. |
| 22:18.02 | Stskeeps | + This module provides support for resource handling for a PVR |
| 22:18.04 | Stskeeps | + compatible 2D/3D graphics accelerator like the Imagination MBX and |
| 22:18.06 | Stskeeps | + SGX accelerator cores. |
| 22:18.07 | Stskeeps | (sorry for paste) |
| 22:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | Soooo, who wants to compile all this into wikipedia rumor mongering? :P |
| 22:18.26 | lcuk | you :P |
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| 22:19.23 | lardman | I wonder what an ET8EK8 is? |
| 22:19.37 | Stskeeps | looks like DSPbridge has omap24xx stuff too |
| 22:20.13 | Stskeeps | lardman: ok, is it a SGX or a MBX in our nokias? |
| 22:20.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, 15fps 720p |
| 22:20.20 | Stskeeps | cos i'm confused now |
| 22:20.21 | lardman | atm? |
| 22:20.23 | lardman | MBX |
| 22:20.25 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:20.30 | lardman | :) * UBIFS: do not print scary memory allocation warnings |
| 22:21.34 | solca | drivers/net/wireless/wl12xx/ |
| 22:21.54 | lcuk | + * UBIFS: get rid of scary lockup warnings |
| 22:21.59 | lcuk | mmmm lardman |
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| 22:23.22 | jakemaheu | Hello |
| 22:23.49 | Stskeeps | evening |
| 22:23.52 | lardman | * Now that's better... |
| 22:23.53 | lardman | lol |
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| 22:27.30 | lardman | anyway, looks pretty cool :) |
| 22:27.55 | lardman | where can I get patchutils from for scratchbox? build it myself I guess |
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| 22:30.35 | jakemaheu | has anyone had ideas on what the community is going to do about maemo 5 on the n8xx series? |
| 22:30.41 | Stskeeps | jakemaheu: plenty. |
| 22:30.43 | jakemaheu | has an n800 |
| 22:30.56 | Stskeeps | is brewing new libhildon atm |
| 22:31.17 | jakemaheu | snazzy |
| 22:31.21 | Stskeeps | ~mer |
| 22:31.22 | infobot | somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) |
| 22:31.25 | Stskeeps | look into that |
| 22:33.13 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer.txt , raw sketch of idea for management and development method.. |
| 22:33.17 | Stskeeps | very raw sketch |
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| 22:34.11 | solca | Stskeeps: it seems the new kernel ships with powervr kernel support |
| 22:34.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, for sgx, omap3 |
| 22:34.29 | solca | Stskeeps: and what about oma2xxx |
| 22:34.37 | Stskeeps | doubtful |
| 22:35.06 | solca | Stskeeps: other projects doesn't have mbx drivers? |
| 22:35.28 | Stskeeps | only binary blobs i believe |
| 22:35.33 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, do you want to try to round everybody up and schedule something? |
| 22:35.47 | GeneralAntilles | My availability during the day is gonna shoot way down after the end of this week |
| 22:36.04 | solca | Stskeeps: do you know where to find thos blobs? |
| 22:36.18 | Stskeeps | solca: think lardman knows more about this than i do |
| 22:36.29 | solca | lardman: ? |
| 22:36.40 | Stskeeps | lardman: did you ever try the info functions and info types thing btw? |
| 22:36.46 | lardman | solca: the only thing we have is a 2.4.x driver for the omap2430 |
| 22:36.54 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, it depends on who to involve i guess |
| 22:37.17 | lardman | Nokia have a 2.6.x driver but it's not separable into GPL + blob, so can't be released |
| 22:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'd try to schedule around all of the usual suspets |
| 22:37.19 | Stskeeps | maybe a call for interested parts |
| 22:37.23 | GeneralAntilles | then leave an open invitation for everybody else |
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| 22:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that layout looks quite fine to me |
| 22:38.17 | solca | lardman: they ever ship something with that 2.6 driver? |
| 22:38.26 | Stskeeps | yeah.. something like it is definately needed cos i'll go mad if i deal with all of them at once ;) |
| 22:38.33 | GeneralAntilles | though, in the short term anyway, I think it's likely to be overly organized for the small team we're going to have. |
| 22:38.34 | lardman | solca: not that I know of |
| 22:38.43 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's true |
| 22:38.46 | lardman | Stskeeps: I have the DWARF output somewhere here |
| 22:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, are you sure about Launchpad? |
| 22:38.53 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: not 100% |
| 22:39.06 | solca | lardman: the 2.4 drivers have a glue source or something? |
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| 22:39.11 | Stskeeps | but it does have a low entry |
| 22:39.17 | lardman | solca: at least not for an omap, though there was something for another main processor iitc |
| 22:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | Speaking from the direction of "communities" rather than "what's actually a good tool" I'd prefer to see it done in Garage. |
| 22:39.21 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a similar thing on maemo.org |
| 22:39.36 | lardman | solca: there's a kernel driver + userland library which uses it |
| 22:39.47 | GeneralAntilles | But that's assuming it actually supports the features you need/want |
| 22:39.48 | Stskeeps | like, with ease of having bzr branches and such, teams, etc |
| 22:39.57 | Stskeeps | yeah.. and that is what im wondering a bit about :) |
| 22:40.21 | lardman | crap, I forgot to enable vfp |
| 22:40.21 | GeneralAntilles | That said, there's nothing precluding it from being adapted to your needs as we move along. |
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| 22:40.44 | solca | lardman: the library is libGL.so or what? linked against X11 or for fbdevs? |
| 22:40.56 | lardman | both are available |
| 22:41.17 | lardman | I posted a directory listing the other day, let me find it |
| 22:41.23 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think I'd like to put together a blog post to stir up some interest. |
| 22:41.35 | Stskeeps | alright, sounds like a plan |
| 22:41.59 | Stskeeps | "So, you are disappointed you won't have Fremantle on your N8x0.." |
| 22:41.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:42.10 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, please, please, please re-add some sanity? :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247957&postcount=59 |
| 22:42.14 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/untitled.jpg |
| 22:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, god no. |
| 22:42.34 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna avoid anything that might agitate the users. ;) |
| 22:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | These people seem to be failing absolutely to see what's right in front of them. |
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| 22:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, my personal feeling with Launchpad is that even though the barrier to entry is low, it's higher than using a maemo.org service |
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| 22:44.45 | timeless | ping |
| 22:44.47 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, it's slashdot-itis, you don't read the article, just the headline |
| 22:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | Because, generally, I think the type of people you're after will have maemo.org accounts. |
| 22:44.52 | timeless | anyone know if conic is deprecated? |
| 22:45.14 | Stskeeps | i dont think so |
| 22:45.19 | Stskeeps | conic is actually not a directly bad thing |
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| 22:46.38 | timeless | which api did they deprecate? |
| 22:47.42 | lardman | timeless: Quim said that some of the REMOVED items have just not been added back in yet |
| 22:48.07 | timeless | i'm not talking about maemo 5 |
| 22:48.10 | timeless | i'm talking about 4.1 |
| 22:48.14 | timeless | doesn't care about maemo 5 |
| 22:48.23 | timeless | it doesn't exis |
| 22:48.24 | timeless | t |
| 22:48.32 | jakemaheu | says " who needs it, anyways" |
| 22:48.34 | lardman | ah sorry |
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| 22:50.31 | timeless | there were two networking stories |
| 22:50.37 | timeless | conic and perhaps dbus ? |
| 22:50.45 | timeless | i can never remember which one was the 'bad' one |
| 22:50.51 | timeless | i guess it was the dbus one |
| 22:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, sounds right. |
| 22:51.06 | GeneralAntilles | Conic is definitely not deprecated for Diablo |
| 22:51.31 | timeless | each time i ask this question, i have to go back and read the sources which touch both and remember 'oh that's the lame one' |
| 22:51.32 | timeless | it happens about 1-2 times a year |
| 22:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | You need a post-it note. :P |
| 22:52.03 | timeless | i *have* post it notes |
| 22:52.11 | timeless | in fact, a coworker gave me a stack of them as a going away present |
| 22:52.17 | timeless | (he went away!) |
| 22:52.37 | timeless | silly guy decided that getting married was more important than sticking out the winter |
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| 22:55.49 | ||cw | silly cow-orker |
| 22:55.59 | ||cw | i mean co-worker |
| 22:56.20 | timeless | i think he went to visit the goats, somewhere up in the mountains northeast of the indian holy cows |
| 22:56.21 | lcuk | lardman, the pvr stuff for the 2430 - that looks "interesting" |
| 22:56.35 | ||cw | ah, then cow-orker fits |
| 22:58.09 | timeless | anyone here know anything about hildon status bar? |
| 22:59.11 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247968&postcount=64 |
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| 22:59.39 | timeless | <blockquote> |
| 22:59.39 | timeless | Hildon Status Bar |
| 22:59.39 | timeless | Status bar is a UI component, displaying the status of various system tasks with |
| 22:59.39 | timeless | a small icon image on the main window. The maemo status bar can contain |
| 22:59.39 | timeless | user-defined items as well. Normally there is a place for two of these additional |
| 22:59.40 | timeless | items. These two slots are by default used by the usb connection indicator and |
| 22:59.42 | timeless | alarm indicator, but can be used by any plug-in. Although plug-ins can specify |
| 22:59.44 | timeless | a priority, the current version of the status bar does not handle the plug-in |
| 22:59.46 | timeless | priorities, so only two newest plug-ins are visible. |
| 22:59.48 | timeless | </blockquote> |
| 22:59.50 | timeless | is that true? |
| 23:00.19 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, Stskeeps. :P |
| 23:00.29 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: sorry, i just got offended by that post too :P |
| 23:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | The bit about priorities sounds odd |
| 23:01.06 | timeless | the whole thing sounds odd |
| 23:01.09 | GeneralAntilles | Presumably they're talking about sorting them in Panels in Control Panel |
| 23:01.11 | timeless | i'm more interested in the two slots bit |
| 23:01.15 | timeless | i don't think so |
| 23:01.21 | timeless | you couldn't call that unimplemented |
| 23:01.26 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: there's a status bar policy .so or something |
| 23:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | "main window" is awkward and non-descriptive |
| 23:01.56 | timeless | but seriously, what's w/ the 2 slots? |
| 23:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't know. |
| 23:02.09 | timeless | if i get 3 new status bar things, which oens go haywir? |
| 23:02.23 | timeless | pretend i lost the batteries for my devices :) |
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| 23:03.40 | timeless | does restore not actually kill all running apps before it starts? |
| 23:05.25 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: oh, and, definately a -sdk team too :P |
| 23:05.56 | r2d2rogers | d |
| 23:06.03 | Stskeeps | evening r2d2rogers |
| 23:06.10 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'm hoping we'll be able to con some Pandora folks into helping out. |
| 23:06.28 | lardman | nice post Stskeeps |
| 23:06.28 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: if i get my idea of making it cross-platform through, yeah |
| 23:06.37 | Stskeeps | lardman: i work best at midnight |
| 23:06.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:06.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's too bad Nokia basically shipped the only Linux OMAP2 device. |
| 23:06.43 | lcuk | timescales seems similar gen - and feature set over here seems better |
| 23:06.45 | timeless | oh, right, anyone here have skype? |
| 23:07.02 | Stskeeps | i do, but my tablet is laying over on my table |
| 23:07.10 | timeless | could you try something for me? |
| 23:07.16 | Stskeeps | .. i guess |
| 23:07.18 | timeless | 1. w/o skyp running, set an alarm for +5mins |
| 23:07.26 | timeless | 2. w/ skype running, set an alarm for +5mins |
| 23:07.32 | timeless | (wait forthe alarm to fire between steps) |
| 23:07.47 | timeless | 3. w/ skype running, set an alarm for +5mins and go to offline mode |
| 23:08.12 | timeless | to be save, make sure your device is not muted at step 0 and that the alarm volume is fairly audible :) |
| 23:08.18 | timeless | s/save/safe/ |
| 23:08.31 | Stskeeps | whoever made the alarm mode be so far down in the structure should be shot.. |
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| 23:09.03 | timeless | sts: *shrug*, most of those people were probably contractors |
| 23:09.16 | timeless | who have probably left for other projects |
| 23:09.18 | lardman | lcuk: talking about the Pandora? |
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| 23:09.37 | lardman | wonders how to stop docs from being built... |
| 23:09.39 | timeless | has no idea how to set an alarm |
| 23:09.42 | timeless | presumes it's possible |
| 23:09.48 | lcuk | to you lardman i asked about the screenshot you posted, to gen yeah i was |
| 23:09.57 | Stskeeps | lardman: what are ya building? |
| 23:10.35 | lardman | Stskeeps: building fltk atm |
| 23:10.41 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 23:10.51 | lardman | deps for giac/xcas and Qalculate |
| 23:10.57 | lardman | fltk is for the former |
| 23:12.00 | lardman | lcuk: screenie is the contents of the powervr sdk, I don't think pandora is anywhere near the Nokia in terms of what's in it - it was just supposed to be available 6months+ in advance |
| 23:12.20 | lcuk | yeah |
| 23:12.40 | lardman | not sure that will happen mind you |
| 23:12.50 | lcuk | it will come out in the wash |
| 23:13.04 | lcuk | you ready for xmas yet or not thought about it yet |
| 23:13.13 | lardman | pretty much ready |
| 23:13.20 | lardman | bought lots of stuff |
| 23:13.24 | lcuk | im off from xmas eve to jan5 |
| 23:13.25 | lardman | etc |
| 23:13.37 | lardman | same here I think |
| 23:13.41 | lcuk | couldv done with a whole month :) |
| 23:13.45 | lardman | lol |
| 23:13.59 | Stskeeps | ponders how much he'll get done in xmas |
| 23:14.13 | jagernot | will esound api be there in the new maemo 5 platform? |
| 23:14.14 | lcuk | everyones been poorly round here so its been extra work pollin together |
| 23:14.27 | Stskeeps | jagernot: there's pulseaudio instead, but esound compat |
| 23:14.41 | jagernot | esound compatible means? |
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| 23:14.46 | lcuk | jagernot, theres lots of shiny in the new device to play with |
| 23:14.54 | Stskeeps | jagernot: means api compatible |
| 23:15.08 | lcuk | i wonder if i could strap a pair to my eyes and have real 3d |
| 23:15.09 | jagernot | so i just recompile and it works right? |
| 23:15.11 | lcuk | or just use a barrier |
| 23:15.14 | lardman | jagernot: http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/fremantle/maemo4.1.1_vs_5.0prealpha_content_comparison.html |
| 23:15.24 | lcuk | holy poo, the accel will allow that to be real |
| 23:15.29 | lcuk | :D headaches here we come |
| 23:15.30 | lcuk | :D |
| 23:16.09 | lardman | aargh, another error in the rules file, need to recompile again! |
| 23:16.22 | timeless | ok, true or false: |
| 23:16.31 | timeless | Maemo launcher launches all applications on the maemo platform. |
| 23:16.45 | Stskeeps | "most" |
| 23:16.52 | timeless | that'd be "false" |
| 23:16.52 | timeless | thanks |
| 23:17.09 | Stskeeps | more apps should use it, though |
| 23:17.13 | lardman | a Baysian Boolean then? |
| 23:17.20 | jagernot | please forgive my stupidity .... do i then assume that i just recompile boxar which uses esound and it works? |
| 23:17.27 | Stskeeps | jagernot: probably yeah |
| 23:17.35 | timeless | if i'm asking a question, i usually want a correct English answer |
| 23:17.35 | lcuk | if not you would change it a bit |
| 23:17.44 | timeless | although sometimes i do want a mathematically correct answer |
| 23:17.47 | jagernot | timeless i agree with you ;) |
| 23:17.51 | lardman | I know ;) |
| 23:17.53 | lcuk | jagernot, there will be some kind of sound interface :) |
| 23:17.57 | lcuk | dont fret |
| 23:18.10 | jagernot | well yet another bloatware crap |
| 23:18.16 | jagernot | good enough to play .mp3s |
| 23:18.22 | jagernot | thats all anybody wants for audio nowadays |
| 23:18.29 | lardman | playbin? |
| 23:18.30 | jagernot | pulseaudio my foot |
| 23:18.33 | timeless | i want a pony! |
| 23:18.40 | timeless | oh, and a get well soon pill |
| 23:18.48 | timeless | (a card would be ok, but nowhere near as good) |
| 23:18.50 | lcuk | well you are not everyone and your audio is groundbreaking for this platform :) so i for one hope theres a decent audio interface for you |
| 23:19.19 | lcuk | :D do more with it |
| 23:19.21 | Stskeeps | yeah, we need something that'll use the FM transmitter. and the one that sends audio straight inside our skulls |
| 23:19.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:19.30 | lcuk | or to the car sterio |
| 23:19.32 | lcuk | stereo |
| 23:19.34 | lcuk | evne |
| 23:19.37 | lcuk | fffsfklnsdawe grios |
| 23:19.43 | lcuk | has a ministroke |
| 23:19.54 | Stskeeps | thinks he's going to sleep |
| 23:19.58 | Stskeeps | and trying to get to work in the morning |
| 23:20.20 | Stskeeps | got to rewrite the mer imager i made for the d945gclf2 board to be inside the imager framework |
| 23:20.59 | lcuk | gnite Stskeeps :) |
| 23:22.06 | ShadowJK | has a d945gclf2 |
| 23:22.14 | lardman | aargh, why does it keep running dh_installdocs ?!?!? |
| 23:22.23 | lardman | night Stskeeps |
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| 23:23.31 | timeless | wodners how safe it is to use apt from outside a debian world |
| 23:24.05 | GeneralAntilles | Why does everybody think the OMAP3 is way more power hungry? |
| 23:24.28 | timeless | it has more transitors, right? :) |
| 23:24.51 | GeneralAntilles | It gives you 2-3x the performance for the same power requirements as the OMAP2 |
| 23:25.18 | GeneralAntilles | Which means you're done and idling 2-3x faster than on OMAP2 |
| 23:25.26 | GeneralAntilles | s/faster/sooner/ |
| 23:27.38 | jagernot | is early access to omap3 tablet possible? |
| 23:27.52 | timeless | ask qgil :) |
| 23:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | jagernot, Nokia has plans for a dev program. |
| 23:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | But that's likely to be a lot closer to release. |
| 23:28.41 | jagernot | have to pay to get in or just show ur app and hope? |
| 23:28.48 | GeneralAntilles | jagernot, if you're just interested in playing with OMAP3, a Pandora or Beagle Board is a reasonable choice in the interim. |
| 23:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | jagernot, there aren't any details yet. |
| 23:29.35 | lcuk | jagernot, for all we know nokia might do a massive -dev program drop from an aeroplane at 30k |
| 23:29.59 | jagernot | maybe somewhere in yorkshire? :D |
| 23:30.02 | jagernot | flooded |
| 23:30.27 | lcuk | yeah "SOS" |
| 23:30.46 | lcuk | * RX51: added parachute |
| 23:31.59 | jagernot | i think playing with the tablet is important to pandora/beagleboard as its the distribution that comes along that determines what we can do |
| 23:32.13 | jagernot | i mean very few of us code in asm anymore |
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| 23:32.27 | ignacius | does anybody know if X version of maemo5 supports multitouch interfaces? |
| 23:32.51 | lcuk | o.O maemo4 supports multitouch :P (YMMV) |
| 23:33.15 | jagernot | yeah multitouch like kaoss pad |
| 23:33.21 | jagernot | try boxar and see ignacius ;) |
| 23:33.29 | solca | too bad new nokia kernel doesnt compile for omap24xx |
| 23:33.43 | ignacius | will look |
| 23:33.54 | lardman | jagernot: still no ideas when Pandora will ship mind you |
| 23:34.24 | GeneralAntilles | ignacius, Maemo is moving to Xorg, so, yes. |
| 23:34.29 | GeneralAntilles | There's no hardware support yet, though. |
| 23:34.41 | GeneralAntilles | (not really, despite whatever evil voodoo lcuk may try to sell you :P) |
| 23:34.42 | ignacius | great |
| 23:35.01 | lcuk | laughs evily |
| 23:35.06 | jagernot | so that means multitouch is not supported then doesnt it |
| 23:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | tries to plant another wooden stake through lcuk's heart. |
| 23:35.50 | GeneralAntilles | jagernot, not by the touchscreen technology used, though. |
| 23:36.08 | GeneralAntilles | boxar might possibly benefit from lcuk's evil, though. |
| 23:36.18 | timeless | s/ere/er/ |
| 23:37.26 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) we are talking often, theres a lot of scope for audiovisual goodness in this platform |
| 23:38.42 | StsN800 | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081208-broadcom-squeezes-11n-bluetooth-fm-into-new-cheap-chip.html , this one mentioned in kernel diff? |
| 23:40.35 | GeneralAntilles | 802.11n, though? |
| 23:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't we already got a wifi chipset? wl12xx |
| 23:41.07 | StsN800 | true |
| 23:41.11 | StsN800 | nm |
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| 23:41.21 | GeneralAntilles | Could be another combo chip maybe |
| 23:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 23:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | Fremantles new audio pipeline is FM transmitter -> FM receiver -> speakers. :P |
| 23:42.10 | derf | ... |
| 23:43.59 | jagernot | oh dear |
| 23:44.19 | jagernot | that is not a pipeline..that is more like the queue at a busy ticket counter :( |
| 23:44.34 | derf | And they're all out of tickets. |
| 23:44.46 | lcuk | and the counter closed 10 minutes ago |
| 23:45.15 | jagernot | somebody ought to tell nokia that design for performance |
| 23:45.23 | jagernot | and keep as few middlemen apis as possible |
| 23:45.33 | lcuk | i think you will find thats not the normal path ;) |
| 23:45.44 | derf | I assumed it was a hoke. |
| 23:45.53 | lcuk | unless its to a set of headphones.. |
| 23:45.58 | jagernot | s/h/j ? |
| 23:46.06 | derf | jagernot: If you insist. |
| 23:46.29 | jagernot | s/h/bl ? |
| 23:46.29 | timeless | jagernot: you need to pay attn to the smilies :) |
| 23:47.14 | jagernot | all i want to know is there any synth written with pulseaudio? |
| 23:47.22 | jagernot | or gstreamer |
| 23:47.37 | jagernot | i searched the whole wide internut and couldnt find any |
| 23:47.48 | jagernot | all i see are media players and recorder apps |
| 23:48.35 | jagernot | i truly love esound |
| 23:48.42 | jagernot | 2 lines to setup the audio |
| 23:48.51 | jagernot | and i could be making sounds |
| 23:49.53 | jagernot | oh dear lord, dont kill esound on the tablets |
| 23:50.38 | lcuk | hands jagernot the tissues |
| 23:50.56 | jagernot | for some weird reason esound doesnt read the mic :( |
| 23:51.06 | jagernot | completely crashes my tablet |
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| 23:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | ESD is crap |
| 23:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | PulseAudio is a much better direction. |
| 23:51.27 | lardman | they've probably not wrapped that part - it all has to go though the DSP |
| 23:51.35 | lcuk | jagernot, you can use many libraries, you have the motivation to find them |
| 23:51.55 | lcuk | and once you do you can wrap it in a similar 2 line interface and carry on being happy |
| 23:52.05 | jagernot | general: have you written any app using ESD. what do you know about it? huh? |
| 23:52.12 | jagernot | general: have you written any app at all? |
| 23:52.33 | lcuk | gnite folks |
| 23:52.38 | lardman | night lcuk |
| 23:52.49 | jagernot | night lcuk |
| 23:54.02 | GeneralAntilles | jagernot, your words cut deep |
| 23:54.40 | jagernot | general: you havent answered my question :D |
| 23:54.58 | timeless | grumbles |
| 23:55.13 | lardman | does too |
| 23:55.43 | timeless | you aren't trying to build debian core tools on a non debian platform too, are you? |
| 23:56.15 | lardman | no, trying to debug bloody C++ code/compiler errors |
| 23:56.23 | lardman | ~curse C++ |
| 23:56.23 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, C++ ! |
| 23:56.24 | timeless | i'll trade |
| 23:56.27 | lardman | :) |
| 23:56.27 | timeless | yours sounds much easier |
| 23:56.38 | lardman | yeah, just time consuming |
| 23:56.59 | lardman | anyway, time to hit the sack, night all |
| 23:58.05 | timeless | oh wow |
| 23:58.07 | timeless | dpkg runs! |
| 23:59.02 | timeless | frowns |
| 23:59.07 | timeless | so why did apt fail |
| 23:59.23 | timeless | anyone wanna explain why apt failed to me :) |
