| 00:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | soap, why sell? |
| 00:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, nope. |
| 00:00.24 | Stskeeps | we'll be opening a betting pool on the announcement date |
| 00:00.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 00:00.24 | Knowledge | right, I still have a 770, which is actually beeping at me because the battery is dying...my poor neglected 770 |
| 00:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | soap, I used my old ones as remotes, ebook readers or couch browsers |
| 00:00.32 | soap | GeneralAntilles, I, for one, can not afford to own both at the same time. (and suspect I am not alone in that situation.) |
| 00:01.38 | soap | I already own too many DAPs. Don't need to start compulsively collecting tablets as well. ;) |
| 00:02.57 | Knowledge | Man, I keep buying phones to get them to do what my 770 does, but I always end up going back to my 770. And even though I haven't touched my 770 in a long long time...I use my HTC Titan to browse the net, or do simple stuff and think "man, my 770 would whoop this things pitoot" |
| 00:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | You think the 770 would kick something's ass, you need to try an OMAP2 tablet. . . . |
| 00:04.49 | Knowledge | but I really think there should be a better way/place to get apps... |
| 00:04.52 | Knowledge | OMAP2? |
| 00:04.58 | Knowledge | let me joojle |
| 00:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | N8x0 |
| 00:05.12 | GeneralAntilles | downloads.maemo.org and Extras. . . . |
| 00:05.42 | Knowledge | oh, yeah...that...I dunno man, there's something about the 810 that I just don't dig...as for the 800, I sold it to go back to my 770 |
| 00:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | Um? |
| 00:06.09 | GeneralAntilles | That's a . . . bizarre choice. |
| 00:06.21 | Knowledge | I just couldn't stand looking at it... |
| 00:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | That's an awful strong aesthetic hate. :\ |
| 00:06.53 | Knowledge | it looked toooooo.......I dunno how to describe it.....like it tried to hard to be main stream |
| 00:07.48 | Knowledge | with the silver and shiny trim etc... |
| 00:07.57 | GeneralAntilles | :/ |
| 00:08.44 | Knowledge | awww don't tell me the new one is going to resemble it...I gotta tell ya, I wouldn't care if that thing could spawn money for you, I wouldn't take it. I really hated the 800...weird I know... |
| 00:09.24 | Stskeeps | Knowledge: people here are mostly maemo community, not getting revenue in any way ;) |
| 00:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | We don't know what it'll look like. |
| 00:09.43 | Knowledge | huh? |
| 00:10.41 | soap_ | as long as it looks like more flash, more RAM, and more CPU I'm happy. |
| 00:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | More CPU it'll have. <_< |
| 00:11.02 | GeneralAntilles | 2 or 3 times more. |
| 00:11.46 | GeneralAntilles | There seems to be a remote chance of it having 512MB of RAM. |
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| 00:16.43 | Knowledge | Might even be able to run an actual distro... |
| 00:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, well, you can do that now if you've got an N8x0 |
| 00:17.29 | Knowledge | what?! |
| 00:17.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 00:17.45 | Knowledge | man, I've been out of the loop...I have to catch up |
| 00:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | Should looked past the aesthetics. . . . |
| 00:18.50 | Knowledge | you mean screen shots? |
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| 00:22.21 | Knowledge | Wow, 8GB SDHC for the 770? I've gotta dedicate a few hours tomorrow to catching up... |
| 00:22.47 | Stskeeps | hopes to target 770 with mer too |
| 00:23.03 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the 770 is fscking slow |
| 00:23.08 | l7 | man, the n97 looks so cool |
| 00:23.31 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but did you see the vid the guy who's 770 died to get deblet on it? |
| 00:23.39 | Stskeeps | it wasn't directly bad |
| 00:23.49 | l7 | i wonder how many similiarities the n97 and n900 will have |
| 00:23.50 | GeneralAntilles | l7, Symbian sucks. |
| 00:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | l7, well, they wont be sharing a CPU anyway. |
| 00:24.11 | Knowledge | yea, the 770 is slow... |
| 00:24.24 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: why? it seems like a decent choice if you want an open-ish phone environment |
| 00:24.37 | l7 | i suppose you could also try some of the Motorola Linux phones |
| 00:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | l7, there isn't a single phone OS that interests me. |
| 00:25.08 | GeneralAntilles | l7, I mean, if I'm paying $700 for a phone, it better be a helluva lot more interesting than Symbian. ;) |
| 00:25.17 | l7 | heh there is that |
| 00:25.35 | l7 | i couldn't find an openssh sever for symbian anywhere |
| 00:26.19 | Stskeeps | symbian is a bit different creature is it? for openssh :P |
| 00:26.35 | rukbat | openssh is not very portable |
| 00:27.08 | l7 | it's not the most important feature in a phone |
| 00:27.10 | Knowledge | for 700 dollars, it better come with a bj... |
| 00:27.14 | rukbat | even the linux version needs a good size library to make things look like bsd |
| 00:27.24 | l7 | but i have gotten used to shelling into my tablet for all sorts of stuff |
| 00:27.25 | Knowledge | quick question...OS2007, BT PAN possible? |
| 00:28.03 | Stskeeps | wasn't the something about BT version in 770? |
| 00:28.11 | l7 | 700 is about the same price as an unlocked iphone, though the n97's hardware does seem better |
| 00:29.08 | l7 | if only the n900 could function as a phone too |
| 00:29.19 | GeneralAntilles | voip |
| 00:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'd actually be interested to see how that might perform. |
| 00:29.58 | l7 | it's a little difficult to recieve calls with voip isn't it? |
| 00:30.03 | Knowledge | damn it no BT PAN. |
| 00:30.10 | GeneralAntilles | l7, how do you mean? |
| 00:30.20 | l7 | seems like it would almost always go to voicemail when someone calls you |
| 00:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | VoIP can be 100% transparent to the user. |
| 00:30.27 | GeneralAntilles | Er, why? |
| 00:30.43 | l7 | how would you answer unless you had a network connection? |
| 00:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | 3g. . . . |
| 00:31.56 | Knowledge | Simultanious Voice and Data? |
| 00:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | VoIP over 3G |
| 00:32.11 | l7 | if 3g stays connected all the time, i guess it would work |
| 00:32.14 | Knowledge | Simultaneous I meant |
| 00:32.26 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, the N900 is data-only |
| 00:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | VoIP is just more data |
| 00:32.45 | Knowledge | Well, EVDO (tethered) you could do voice and data... |
| 00:33.05 | l7 | it is kind of a cool idea, if you could just get a good data only plan |
| 00:33.18 | GeneralAntilles | l7, I've been wondering about that |
| 00:33.21 | Knowledge | I have 2 phones with the same ESN (yes yes, I know illegal)....I tethered with one, and called with the other...and it worked....but incoming still doesn't work |
| 00:33.25 | GeneralAntilles | I think you can get a $30/mo plan from AT&T |
| 00:33.49 | l7 | hrm, that's not a bad deal |
| 00:34.20 | l7 | i've heard AT&T's network coverage lags a bit behind Sprint and verizon |
| 00:34.34 | l7 | but if you in a metro area it should be okay |
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| 00:35.27 | Knowledge | Another question...2007 = diablo? |
| 00:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 00:35.41 | Knowledge | damn it. |
| 00:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo is Maemo 4.1 |
| 00:35.44 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008.1 |
| 00:35.48 | Knowledge | ohh... |
| 00:35.49 | Knowledge | I see |
| 00:37.37 | Knowledge | I can't remember what I flashed onto my 770 |
| 00:37.47 | Knowledge | I hope 08, since Bluetooth pan is possible |
| 00:38.00 | Stskeeps | probably chinook HE |
| 00:38.34 | woglinde | Knowledge hm there is one small error with pan and smartphones like htc |
| 00:38.50 | Knowledge | ? |
| 00:38.54 | l7 | hmm, i wonder what kind of fancy tricks you could pull with an asterix server, voip and an n900 |
| 00:39.50 | Knowledge | woglinde: what is the error? |
| 00:40.05 | woglinde | Knowledge maemo will think its pda |
| 00:40.14 | Knowledge | hmm... |
| 00:40.20 | woglinde | and will not allow you do make inet connection over it |
| 00:40.34 | woglinde | but you can change this in the gconf-reg |
| 00:41.38 | Knowledge | hmm, I should try my other phone and see if I could tether...brb |
| 00:46.45 | Knowledge | is there a repository list that I could download? |
| 00:48.04 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: works for me (tm), did you remember to clean out your fs first before installing on top? |
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| 01:59.16 | zakkm | If i have transmission and i saved it to mmc-internal ... where would it save it to? |
| 01:59.38 | zakkm | cant find it anywhere |
| 01:59.56 | zakkm | "mmc-undefined-name-internal" |
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| 02:05.21 | zakkm | does anywhere know where mmc-undefined-name-internal is .. in / |
| 02:06.36 | SmackPotat | i want sound input on a usb sound card on a 770 i have the hardware and the drivers loaded and its showing up as /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c so what should i do next |
| 02:07.55 | SmackPotat | its a file zakkm |
| 02:07.59 | SmackPotat | ? |
| 02:08.04 | zakkm | its a folder? |
| 02:08.22 | zakkm | its a variable for a folder |
| 02:09.04 | SmackPotat | in root try this find / -name mmc-und* |
| 02:09.14 | inteliwasp | are there still any problems with diablo or can i move to that now? |
| 02:09.27 | timeless | diablo's how many months old now? |
| 02:09.43 | timeless | its only problem is that it doesn't get updated very often :) |
| 02:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | inteliwasp, just upgrade. |
| 02:10.03 | SmackPotat | on my 810 it has always worked great |
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| 02:10.46 | inteliwasp | b/c i saw on the canola site that they said that m player and other thigs are not ready yet... |
| 02:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | They work fine |
| 02:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook's now a year old. |
| 02:11.39 | inteliwasp | oh nice... *begings flashing...* |
| 02:12.48 | timeless | backup first? |
| 02:13.54 | inteliwasp | has a fit if he dies not back up, and besides nothing is on the n800 without being on other storage mediums first |
| 02:14.08 | SmackPotat | using my 770 for audio project is coming a long i now have a 16g card mounted and a usb sound card |
| 02:15.41 | inteliwasp | .... |
| 02:16.06 | inteliwasp | my flasher does not like my predownloaded img... |
| 02:16.11 | inteliwasp | oh well... |
| 02:17.28 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles |
| 02:17.38 | zakkm | where is mmc-undefined-name-internal |
| 02:24.07 | oilinki | SmackPotat: what is the benefit of using usb sound card? |
| 02:28.52 | timeless | external mic/line in? |
| 02:29.05 | timeless | the 770 doesn't have a mic jack |
| 02:29.18 | timeless | of an fm radio for that matter |
| 02:30.18 | LiraNuna | any comparison of N97 vs N810 |
| 02:30.53 | GeneralAntilles | LiraNuna, the N97 isn't released yet |
| 02:31.00 | oilinki | ah. I did not read well enough, sp did say 'sound input' .. sorry. |
| 02:31.14 | LiraNuna | http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article5274882.ece |
| 02:31.18 | LiraNuna | "launches" as keyword |
| 02:31.20 | timeless | it's ok, i did a double take when i first read it a while ago |
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| 02:31.35 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 02:31.59 | LiraNuna | I hate the iPhone and I want to either get the N810 WiMAX or N97 |
| 02:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering if the N900 will actually turn out to be Nokia's first OMAP3 device. |
| 02:32.15 | timeless | who cares? |
| 02:32.24 | benh | woul be nice to have a decent 3d engine |
| 02:32.24 | timeless | if it is, that just means it'll be buggier :) |
| 02:32.29 | benh | like some omap3 seem to have |
| 02:32.43 | timeless | all things considered, as a customer, i'd rather have device #5 |
| 02:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, well, it'd represent a first for the tablets. |
| 02:32.56 | timeless | bleeding edge? |
| 02:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | benh, the next tablet is coming with OpenGL. |
| 02:33.04 | oilinki | I'm mostly waiting for NXX which would have GSM chip inside |
| 02:33.05 | timeless | is that really a first you want? |
| 02:33.14 | benh | GeneralAntilles: have there been an announce or article yet ? |
| 02:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, I didn't say I wanted anything. :P |
| 02:33.22 | SmackPotat | oilinki, the 770 doesnt have a audio in and i want to connmect a fm radio |
| 02:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be an interesting change of pace, though. |
| 02:33.47 | timeless | hey, the touch screen was a first |
| 02:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | benh, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 02:33.52 | timeless | we did bleed there :) |
| 02:33.59 | oilinki | SmackPotat: undestood. I did not read your line well enough before :) |
| 02:34.01 | benh | well, omap3 can have powervr in it, though i don't think the GL ES stack is open source |
| 02:34.02 | timeless | (bleeding is like leading but with 2 spelling errors) |
| 02:34.06 | benh | GeneralAntilles: thanks ! |
| 02:34.22 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, S60 doesn't really have much to do with Maemo. |
| 02:34.30 | SmackPotat | cool im a bit behind on the conversation |
| 02:34.35 | LiraNuna | "Nokia executive Ari Jaaksi revealed today in a keynote at the Open Source in Mobile show that Nokia will add 3G/HSPA capabilities to an OMAP3-optimized Maemo 5 release for the tablets" am I reading this right? |
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| 02:34.53 | timeless | stop reading, it's hazardous to your health |
| 02:34.53 | GeneralAntilles | LiraNuna, that announcement is from months ago. |
| 02:34.54 | pupnik | yeah :) |
| 02:34.56 | zakkm | where is mmc-undefined-name-internal |
| 02:35.00 | zakkm | in / ? |
| 02:35.03 | pupnik | dunno |
| 02:35.04 | timeless | how can you be an uninformed /. user |
| 02:35.11 | timeless | if you actually read the articles... |
| 02:35.11 | zakkm | ? |
| 02:35.15 | timeless | tsk |
| 02:35.17 | zakkm | what articles? |
| 02:35.30 | timeless | zakkm /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2 |
| 02:35.36 | zakkm | transmission said it downloaded to mmc-undefined-name-internal and i cant find it anywehre |
| 02:35.43 | zakkm | thank you |
| 02:36.05 | timeless | and file a bug |
| 02:37.07 | GeneralAntilles | I'm a bit surprised that the N97 is gonna ship with an ARM11 |
| 02:39.17 | timeless | wonders what an arm11 is |
| 02:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | Slower than a Cortex A8 |
| 02:39.48 | timeless | slow is good, right? |
| 02:39.55 | timeless | better battery life |
| 02:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry, no. |
| 02:40.18 | timeless | i'm in a strange mood |
| 02:40.21 | timeless | i've been starving for hours |
| 02:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | Cortex A8 is significantly more efficient than an ARM11 at the same performance level. |
| 02:40.30 | timeless | and i filed ~5 security bugs |
| 02:40.42 | GeneralAntilles | Go eat something then go to sleep. :P |
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| 02:44.58 | lcuk | timeless, i hope one of your bugs was "feeling hungry, nothing in stomach" and that you actually managed to resolve it |
| 02:50.25 | timeless | i failed to resolve it |
| 02:50.49 | timeless | lcuk: have you read that bug? |
| 02:51.40 | timeless | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102849 => lcuk |
| 02:52.07 | lcuk | hahahahah |
| 02:52.42 | lcuk | no, i hadnt :D |
| 02:54.29 | lcuk | timeless, you areally are timeless |
| 02:55.23 | timeless | it's 5til 5a |
| 02:55.28 | timeless | food closes officially at 5a |
| 02:55.35 | timeless | but they stop producing sooner |
| 02:56.18 | lcuk | same everywhere - they dont want an order that will take 30 mins coming in 2 minutes before closing |
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| 03:05.37 | zakkm | is Mer suppose to bring performance boosts at all? |
| 03:06.06 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, you missed the point. |
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| 03:06.15 | zakkm | lol |
| 03:06.17 | zakkm | i know the point |
| 03:06.23 | zakkm | im just trying out fennec.. i know its in alpha |
| 03:06.27 | zakkm | and thinking how i want my nokia faster |
| 03:07.17 | SmackPotat | bloomberg.com |
| 03:08.29 | SmackPotat | opps |
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| 05:39.23 | timeless | oh, someone asked about mmc-undefined-name-internal |
| 05:39.24 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/libhildonfm-2.0.5/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-storage-dialog.c#1223 |
| 05:39.37 | timeless | that should be /media/mmc2 |
| 05:40.18 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-fm-l10n-public-5.0+r6135/po/en_GB.po#45 |
| 05:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, we gonna get Fremantle stuff in there once the alpha sdk is out. |
| 05:40.53 | GeneralAntilles | Er, make that a question. |
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| 06:09.15 | zakkm | Is it possible to update Flash in Maemo? |
| 06:09.27 | zakkm | Im told the newest Diablo still uses flash 9 , when 10 is clearly out |
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| 06:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, sure, if you can convince Adobe to compile you a copy. . . . :\ |
| 06:17.29 | zakkm | they dont release ARM versions? |
| 06:17.31 | mavhc | why is closed source bad again? |
| 06:17.53 | zakkm | cause ppl will fork and make it better than yours |
| 06:17.54 | zakkm | ;p |
| 06:18.02 | zakkm | look at debian and ubuntu ;p |
| 06:18.07 | zakkm | most ppl choose ubuntu |
| 06:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, lame analogy |
| 06:18.22 | mavhc | it's not a zero sum game though |
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| 06:18.30 | zakkm | lol |
| 06:18.46 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: you have a better one/ |
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| 06:19.01 | zakkm | better fork and ppl choose the fork |
| 06:19.01 | GeneralAntilles | For why closed source is bad? |
| 06:19.05 | zakkm | no |
| 06:19.16 | zakkm | better one than debian and ubuntu .. where the fork becomes the chosen one |
| 06:19.25 | zakkm | for most people |
| 06:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see who loses in that analogy |
| 06:19.39 | zakkm | isnt there uhh |
| 06:19.48 | zakkm | theres a opensource flash player i remember |
| 06:19.54 | mavhc | debian gets free paid employees |
| 06:19.56 | zakkm | it sucked lol but it existed |
| 06:20.06 | GeneralAntilles | So people stop using the thing you gave away for free. |
| 06:20.16 | zakkm | Gnash |
| 06:20.17 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds more like you won, because now your hosting costs have gone down. |
| 06:20.19 | zakkm | thats it, had to google |
| 06:20.25 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, Debian and Ubuntu target two different audiences. |
| 06:20.34 | zakkm | yeah i know |
| 06:20.42 | zakkm | mavhc: theres gnash? :P |
| 06:20.48 | zakkm | we should port gnash to nokia :P lol |
| 06:20.54 | rukbat | even better, there's mplayerplugin :-) |
| 06:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, I hear it's because evil companies put ungodly things in their source code and you can't tell. ;) |
| 06:21.24 | GeneralAntilles | Gnash is already running. |
| 06:21.30 | zakkm | High Quality Output |
| 06:21.31 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.49 | zakkm | mplayerplugin works? |
| 06:21.50 | zakkm | on microb? |
| 06:22.00 | rukbat | oh, probably not.. |
| 06:22.04 | zakkm | started really liking the LCARS skin :P |
| 06:23.27 | mavhc | is there a worse starting point for a gui than: I saw it on tv? |
| 06:24.29 | zakkm | ? |
| 06:24.37 | zakkm | oh lol |
| 06:24.41 | zakkm | lcars works nicely |
| 06:24.48 | zakkm | except black background screws up application manager |
| 06:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, it's just a theme. :P |
| 06:24.59 | zakkm | is uhh |
| 06:25.14 | zakkm | ... /home/user/.mozilla/microb/chrome/userContent.css |
| 06:25.18 | zakkm | still used for microb? |
| 06:25.36 | zakkm | should i do hosts method or usercontent for microb ad blocking? |
| 06:26.59 | zakkm | or both? |
| 06:27.43 | pupnik | mmm maybe i could make a hosts file out of the adblock subscription |
| 06:29.02 | zakkm | which is better method though |
| 06:29.04 | zakkm | hosts or usercontent |
| 06:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's a both deal, not either or. |
| 06:29.54 | zakkm | i should do both? |
| 06:30.00 | zakkm | hosts and usercontent ? |
| 06:30.23 | zakkm | hosts would redirect = blank it... .. what would usercontent do? |
| 06:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | Both. |
| 06:30.51 | zakkm | so i should do both |
| 06:30.55 | zakkm | replace hosts and usercontent? |
| 06:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | For the third time, yes, both. |
| 06:31.39 | zakkm | sorry, its late im tired |
| 06:31.50 | zakkm | trying to turn my nokia into more of a laptop |
| 06:32.02 | zakkm | but it seems a bit slow for normal laptop usage, well the way i use it |
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| 06:36.36 | mavhc | just install adblockplus |
| 06:37.46 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, AdBlock is slow and crappy |
| 06:38.56 | mavhc | is it faster than loading ads? |
| 06:39.15 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, that's why you use CSS/hosts. |
| 06:39.44 | GeneralAntilles | and, honestly, the ABP performance hit almost totally eliminates the "not loading ads" gains. :\ |
| 06:41.56 | zakkm | does it help alot? |
| 06:42.01 | zakkm | i try to view engadget and stuff on my nokia |
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| 06:48.54 | pupnik | i'm frustrated with the horrible slow websites |
| 06:49.11 | pupnik | simple, honest, nonfsckedup websites work great on the tablet |
| 06:49.29 | zakkm | lol |
| 06:49.31 | zakkm | google.ca :D |
| 06:49.31 | mavhc | anyone tried going via one of these mobile browser proxies to simplify the page? |
| 06:49.44 | zakkm | not on nokia, but on pc |
| 06:49.51 | zakkm | mavhc: ^ |
| 06:51.47 | mavhc | what about flashblock? I'd guess flash slows it down a lot |
| 06:52.18 | zakkm | why not just disable flash |
| 06:52.24 | pupnik | not to mention multiple security vulnerabilities last year |
| 06:52.24 | zakkm | and enable when need be? |
| 06:52.47 | pupnik | would be nice to be able to temp enable flash with a click on the flash region |
| 06:52.58 | mavhc | that's what flashblock is supposed to make easy |
| 06:53.08 | mavhc | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/downloads_os2008.html |
| 06:53.28 | zakkm | i use flashblock on my desktop |
| 06:53.30 | zakkm | in camino :P |
| 06:53.40 | zakkm | but its another plugin to startup = slow ;p |
| 06:54.05 | mavhc | slower than flash? |
| 06:54.12 | zakkm | you can disable flash |
| 06:54.14 | zakkm | in microb? |
| 06:54.18 | zakkm | with a click of two buttons |
| 07:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | Why does itT always seem to go to hell in the mornings? |
| 07:03.42 | zakkm | ? |
| 07:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | Either down or sloooow |
| 07:04.31 | zakkm | oh |
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| 07:42.07 | RST38h | moo all |
| 07:42.22 | RST38h | General: Too many Americans accessing it! |
| 07:42.53 | RST38h | [hmm, actually that is only partially true given that General is at the east coast] |
| 07:44.06 | AStorm | ok, do you have an idea how to prevent excessive swapping here with maemo |
| 07:44.18 | AStorm | or improve responsiveness in that case? |
| 07:44.41 | RST38h | What are you running? |
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| 07:45.27 | AStorm | browser :P |
| 07:45.34 | AStorm | that is microb |
| 07:46.02 | AStorm | got into swap with them, which neatly locked n810 up for a few minutes |
| 07:46.18 | AStorm | I'd expect at least the other apps to work |
| 07:47.22 | RST38h | ah |
| 07:47.34 | RST38h | The only way is to kill browserd |
| 07:47.37 | AStorm | also running were: xchat, pidgin, osso-xterm with vim |
| 07:47.47 | RST38h | once it is respawned you should be fine |
| 07:47.56 | AStorm | sure |
| 07:47.59 | RST38h | for a while at least |
| 07:48.05 | AStorm | but killing it took minutes |
| 07:48.31 | AStorm | oh, and it still is alive |
| 07:48.37 | AStorm | (and leaking :P) |
| 07:49.30 | AStorm | or... why is rss feed reader running? |
| 07:49.40 | AStorm | I don't have any such applet on desk |
| 07:50.30 | AStorm | s/is/was/ |
| 07:51.36 | AStorm | or obexsrv if bt is disabled? :P |
| 07:51.44 | AStorm | waste of a MB |
| 07:52.01 | RST38h | Astorm: there are two processes |
| 07:52.09 | RST38h | One browserd is a small one and it spawns the large one |
| 07:52.20 | AStorm | plus other services |
| 07:52.34 | AStorm | if bt is disabled, all these should be stopped |
| 07:52.39 | AStorm | and started as needed |
| 07:52.47 | AStorm | e.g. bluetooth audio service |
| 07:53.45 | AStorm | or gpsdriver |
| 07:53.57 | AStorm | we have dsme and hal for a reason |
| 07:54.52 | AStorm | these unused services take 32 MB or so together |
| 07:58.16 | AStorm | also, we could use a swap compression patch |
| 07:58.30 | AStorm | there was one recent I think |
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| 07:59.43 | AStorm | as the immc is *very* slow |
| 07:59.49 | RST38h | AStorm: wait |
| 07:59.51 | AStorm | 500 KBps |
| 08:00.00 | AStorm | ok |
| 08:00.07 | RST38h | swap compression will slow things to a crawl |
| 08:00.17 | AStorm | nah, why |
| 08:00.18 | RST38h | 'cause gzip is also not free CPU-wise |
| 08:00.23 | AStorm | we have enough cpu |
| 08:00.33 | AStorm | and immc is slow enough |
| 08:00.58 | AStorm | I think it's the mmc io that is taking a lot of time |
| 08:01.09 | AStorm | that's why swapping is so abysmal |
| 08:01.10 | RST38h | AStorm: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3705 |
| 08:01.20 | RST38h | AStorm: Enjoy |
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| 08:01.44 | AStorm | or we're hitting thrashing :) |
| 08:01.45 | GeneralAntilles | "bug" |
| 08:01.53 | AStorm | (read: need a kernel update) |
| 08:02.04 | AStorm | meh |
| 08:02.14 | AStorm | browserd died as I sent it a HUP |
| 08:02.44 | RST38h | AStorm: In my case browserd did not swap (I had swap off) but basically used 100% CPU |
| 08:03.00 | AStorm | hmm |
| 08:03.10 | RST38h | Once it goes into this kind of cardiac arrest, killing it of basically takes an ssh login + kill |
| 08:03.23 | AStorm | I get to restart it to have browser running |
| 08:03.38 | RST38h | even remembers playing with process priorities but it did not help |
| 08:03.45 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I've yet to have an issue like that with normal browsing. |
| 08:03.45 | AStorm | weird |
| 08:03.49 | RST38h | AStorm: That is because you kill the wrong browserd |
| 08:03.53 | AStorm | web doesn't restart it |
| 08:04.01 | AStorm | heh |
| 08:04.01 | RST38h | General: Greatly depends on the sites you are visiting |
| 08:04.06 | AStorm | how do I restart it? |
| 08:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | Please don't file another "bug" like that in the future, though. :\ |
| 08:04.23 | AStorm | I hupped it |
| 08:04.25 | RST38h | AStorm: Look at the process list. You will see two browserds, one small another big |
| 08:04.30 | AStorm | not killed per se |
| 08:04.32 | RST38h | AStorm: Kill the BIG ONE. |
| 08:04.39 | AStorm | but it died anyway |
| 08:04.39 | RST38h | HUP is the same thing |
| 08:04.46 | RST38h | At least for browserd :) |
| 08:04.49 | AStorm | how do I restart the small one then? |
| 08:05.03 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.15 | RST38h | General: It is a valid bug report for a valid issue |
| 08:05.16 | AStorm | weird, which didn't show it |
| 08:05.41 | RST38h | General: The only reason why I will not file another one like this is because I now believe that Nokia engineers don't give a fuck |
| 08:06.15 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's nothing of the sort. |
| 08:06.25 | AStorm | hmmh |
| 08:06.38 | RST38h | General: There is another report that is probably going to have similar outcome: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3913 |
| 08:06.45 | AStorm | ok, so, what args do I give to it? |
| 08:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's criticizing an architecture choice with specious arguments. |
| 08:07.01 | AStorm | (it should have an init script, meh) |
| 08:07.08 | RST38h | General: Well, it is evidently wrong architecture choice |
| 08:07.15 | RST38h | Has to be fixed |
| 08:07.23 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, clearly Nokia doesn't agree. |
| 08:07.46 | RST38h | General: Experimental results are not a matter of agreement |
| 08:07.49 | AStorm | architecture is ok, but leaks are not |
| 08:07.57 | GeneralAntilles | As it's rare that one person is always right about everything, it then comes down to a disagreement over use cases. |
| 08:08.03 | RST38h | General: Leaks memory. Hard to kill. Shaves 3 seconds off load time. |
| 08:08.18 | AStorm | and unless browserd is leakfree, it will be problematic |
| 08:08.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, AStorm, bugs that are bugs should be fixed. |
| 08:08.27 | AStorm | :) |
| 08:08.47 | AStorm | well, normal microb took more memory |
| 08:08.51 | RST38h | General: Once again: I have measured the advantage browserd give. It is 3 seconds. |
| 08:08.53 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, if you want to file a bug report, do so, but whining about architecture choices isn't what bugzilla is for. |
| 08:09.10 | AStorm | RST38h, and starting browser took 3s more |
| 08:09.13 | AStorm | so? |
| 08:09.13 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, personally, that's an advantage I'll take gladly. |
| 08:09.17 | AStorm | :) |
| 08:09.20 | RST38h | General: Ok, let s approach it from the other direction |
| 08:09.41 | RST38h | AStorm: Those 3 secs were the whole point of switching to browserd |
| 08:09.44 | AStorm | again, what args is browserd started woth? |
| 08:09.47 | AStorm | *with |
| 08:09.58 | RST38h | prolly without if it is the first process |
| 08:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you also realize that browserd will be used for more things than just the browser, right? |
| 08:10.34 | AStorm | like, applets? |
| 08:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | Which would end up reducing RAM usage in the long run, particularly with certain use cases |
| 08:10.41 | RST38h | General: No. Isn't it called BROWSERd? :) |
| 08:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, right. |
| 08:10.56 | AStorm | ... could be called xulrunnerd |
| 08:11.04 | AStorm | so don't complain :P |
| 08:11.07 | RST38h | General, it will not reduce the RAM usage. Think about it a bit more. |
| 08:11.16 | AStorm | it might, a bit |
| 08:11.25 | AStorm | by saving on data structures |
| 08:11.27 | RST38h | The proof here is very simple |
| 08:11.29 | RST38h | Nope |
| 08:11.38 | RST38h | Not a bit |
| 08:11.41 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I'm not really interested in having this discussion again. |
| 08:11.51 | RST38h | Let us approach it from a different direction |
| 08:11.56 | AStorm | like cookie tables, history, etc. |
| 08:12.02 | RST38h | We have got flash plugin that runs inside browserd |
| 08:12.06 | AStorm | and cache index |
| 08:12.17 | RST38h | It has got this nice feature of waiting in a busy loop doing gettimeofday() |
| 08:12.17 | AStorm | RST38h, yup, that is wrong |
| 08:12.24 | RST38h | Who isi responsible for fixing it? |
| 08:12.27 | AStorm | it should run in a subprocess |
| 08:12.32 | GeneralAntilles | Adobe. |
| 08:12.41 | AStorm | yes, Adobe |
| 08:12.49 | RST38h | AStorm: Think of it: all these things, cache, cookies, history do they go away once you switch to browserd? :) |
| 08:12.54 | AStorm | it could be worked around like Opera does |
| 08:13.07 | AStorm | RST38h, they're not duplicated |
| 08:13.11 | RST38h | Ok. So, you have got a flash plugin that hangs your tablet hard. |
| 08:13.21 | RST38h | You can't easily kill it because it is run from browserd |
| 08:13.30 | RST38h | You can't file a bug report on it because Nokia is not responsible |
| 08:13.36 | AStorm | the latter is a bug |
| 08:13.50 | RST38h | You can't file bug report with Adobe because Adobe also does not give a fuck |
| 08:13.51 | AStorm | I mean, it shouldn't be run from browserd process |
| 08:13.59 | AStorm | but a subprocess, like a sandbox |
| 08:14.03 | RST38h | What is the preferred course of action here? |
| 08:14.11 | AStorm | afaicr, new xulrunner supports that |
| 08:14.17 | x29a_ | chrome would not allow a flash to kill the whole device ;) |
| 08:14.18 | RST38h | AStorm: Ideally, it should be a subprocess with low priority |
| 08:14.33 | RST38h | Chrome would do it by itself instead? =) |
| 08:14.48 | AStorm | x29a, yup, firefox 3 can do that |
| 08:14.55 | x29a | from what i read, it implements the sandbox approach |
| 08:14.56 | AStorm | at least somewhat |
| 08:15.37 | AStorm | opera does it better though :) |
| 08:15.40 | RST38h | AStorm: BTW, there is another bug report about memory leaks: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3704 (do notice that it does not apply to swapping) |
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| 08:16.12 | AStorm | RST38h, can't view web until you tell me what argsbrowserd is ran with |
| 08:16.18 | AStorm | :> |
| 08:16.21 | RST38h | A moment, lemme check |
| 08:16.30 | AStorm | unless I start fennec |
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| 08:17.14 | RST38h | AStorm: /etc/rc0.d/K15tablet-browser-daemon |
| 08:17.32 | AStorm | ah, /etc/rc*/ not /etc/init.d |
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| 08:17.44 | AStorm | curses broken init system |
| 08:21.14 | x29a | is it true that you can install apps using the debian-arch branch via apt-get? |
| 08:21.28 | RST38h | No. |
| 08:21.59 | AStorm | not until you add repos |
| 08:22.09 | AStorm | and fix broken deps |
| 08:22.17 | x29a | ah ok |
| 08:22.19 | x29a | damn i cant wait |
| 08:27.25 | AStorm | whee, time to try out fennec tinderbox build |
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| 09:25.04 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: alive? |
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| 09:35.19 | RST38h | Anybody managed to run TangoGPS? |
| 09:35.30 | RST38h | The .deb package they provide does not install on Diablo |
| 09:35.45 | qwerty12 | I did but I don't have a GPS so I uninstalled it afterwards |
| 09:36.41 | qwerty12 | or rather, my only gps is unwilling to pair with my N800 :-) |
| 09:39.30 | RST38h | What is the magic trick? |
| 09:40.30 | qwerty12 | I just used dpkg. The package has a section of "unknown". Also the desktop file is installed to /usr/share/applications/ rather than /usr/share/applications/hildon so you can either run "tangogps" from the terminal or reboot for it to show up in the menu. |
| 09:41.38 | Meiz_n810 | many packages refuse to install via app-mgr |
| 09:42.49 | RST38h | qwerty: Any chance of asking authors to fix the package? |
| 09:43.10 | qwerty12 | RST38h, it doesn't really bother me as I don't have a use for the program |
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| 09:43.21 | RST38h | hehe |
| 09:43.25 | qwerty12 | I tried it out of curiosity :) |
| 09:44.48 | RST38h | is preparing a new fMSX release |
| 09:45.12 | RST38h | Next one will probably be the slot machine simulator |
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| 09:51.31 | RST38h | ~curse Perl for being anal retentive about locales |
| 09:51.32 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Perl for being anal retentive about locales ! |
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| 09:58.43 | qwerty12 | RST38h, I've got a proper debian package here anyway of tangogps... I'll clean it up and submit a patch |
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| 10:01.38 | RST38h | qwerty: Thanks! =) |
| 10:02.09 | AStorm | mmh, new fennec tinderbox builds are much faster :) |
| 10:03.58 | AStorm | and start faster too |
| 10:04.01 | Meiz_n810 | tinderbox buils of fennec? |
| 10:04.17 | Meiz_n810 | where can i download? :P |
| 10:04.39 | Meiz_n810 | fennec repo? |
| 10:10.43 | RST38h | Hehehe, I am going to turn Maemo users into obsessive gamblers! |
| 10:11.09 | qwerty12 | RST38h, are you really making a slot machine emulator? :D |
| 10:11.17 | RST38h | I already have one |
| 10:11.23 | qwerty12 | hehe, cool! :P |
| 10:11.26 | RST38h | Just need to port it from MSDOS to Maemo |
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| 10:16.25 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, - did you zap your filesystem totally and mkfs it and all that? |
| 10:17.58 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: after these yesterday failures i umounted that partition, did mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p2, mounted it back and started all over again. |
| 10:18.06 | Meiz_n810 | then it gave me that |
| 10:18.07 | Stskeeps | mm, and still failed |
| 10:18.45 | Meiz_n810 | btw, i'm now running merimager |
| 10:19.10 | Meiz_n810 | hope it gives me no errors |
| 10:19.38 | Stskeeps | yeah.. we should make some kind of logging for it. Do you get the console-setup questions? |
| 10:21.48 | Stskeeps | tries to wake up |
| 10:22.07 | Meiz_n810 | yes |
| 10:22.16 | Meiz_n810 | (that language setup) |
| 10:22.58 | AStorm | hmm |
| 10:23.09 | Meiz_n810 | i have messed with android, so there might be some problems in my tablet, i remember when i failed installing deblet 17 times, reflashing helped :P |
| 10:23.17 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:23.35 | AStorm | io to rootfs grabs tons of cpu... |
| 10:24.07 | AStorm | afaicr jffs2 uses gzip, which should be fairly fast |
| 10:24.26 | Meiz_n810 | Jaunty universe is almost as big as debians was 2 months ago |
| 10:24.56 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 10:26.20 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah.. go for the reflashing i guess, i can't exactly pinpoint why this should happen else |
| 10:26.38 | AStorm | hmm |
| 10:26.50 | AStorm | no, it's xomap granning tons of cpu |
| 10:26.54 | AStorm | due to fennec |
| 10:26.57 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i'am trying one more time... |
| 10:26.58 | AStorm | in background |
| 10:27.19 | AStorm | probably some Xomap bug or slow scaling or sth |
| 10:27.42 | AStorm | *grabbing |
| 10:28.45 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: else i'll just pack up a tar.gz i guess |
| 10:28.57 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
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| 10:42.29 | t_s_o | now that was slightly weird, my N800 had powered down over night again, and while trying to get it going again i booted it with the charger plugged in. what greeted me was a continual message, "usb device not supported", as if i had plugged in a usb storage device or something... |
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| 10:45.16 | AStorm | hmm |
| 10:45.19 | AStorm | funny bug |
| 10:45.56 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: would it be possible to create jffs2 partition to SD and install Mer in it? |
| 10:46.04 | Meiz_n810 | (is there any point) |
| 10:47.48 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no point and it's difficult |
| 10:48.10 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
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| 10:50.37 | AStorm | hmm |
| 10:51.17 | AStorm | damned "osso rss reader" grabs 100% cpu when it runs |
| 10:51.27 | t_s_o | seems i may be able to trigger it by booting the N800 using a usb charger on low battery... |
| 10:51.31 | qwerty12 | turn off the automatic scrolling |
| 10:51.37 | AStorm | why is that even starting/running when no rss app is on? |
| 10:51.48 | AStorm | qwerty12, the applet is off |
| 10:51.51 | AStorm | not added |
| 10:51.53 | qwerty12 | ah |
| 10:52.17 | AStorm | it looks like it's scheduled or sth |
| 10:53.44 | AStorm | oh yes, it was autoupdating every 1h |
| 10:53.49 | AStorm | disabled that.. |
| 10:54.00 | AStorm | no idea *why* it's on by default |
| 10:55.26 | t_s_o | soone being user friendly over at nokia? |
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| 10:56.25 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: can you compile load-applet? :P |
| 10:56.40 | qwerty12 | RST38h, I'd offer you a fixed deb of tangoGPS but the guy who opened the garage project and posted his maemo port thought he was being cute by uploading the original, untouched tangogps source |
| 10:56.40 | Meiz_n810 | so it would be easy to take scrshots |
| 10:57.36 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i remember it compiled with no problem on my ubuntu-box... |
| 10:59.50 | AStorm | hmm |
| 11:00.04 | AStorm | Xomap has problems with scaling apparently |
| 11:00.25 | AStorm | so it grabs tons of cpu when fennec is displaying |
| 11:01.21 | AStorm | actually, when fennec is updating its offscreen image |
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| 11:06.52 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: gpe-screenshot is quite good to |
| 11:06.53 | Stskeeps | o |
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| 11:13.28 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 11:19.47 | Zic | upgrade which are proposed by an apt-get upgrade in root are useful or useless? because they are not proposed by default by the graphic updater |
| 11:24.06 | Stskeeps | usually you should use the AM instead as there's potential for things screwing up horridly else |
| 11:25.25 | RST38h | qwerty: Heheh :) |
| 11:25.43 | RST38h | qwerty: Makes me wonder whether his deb is also the "original" one :) |
| 11:26.42 | qwerty12 | RST38h, hehe, no that's legit (done quickly by a dh_make and I'm guessing a dpkg-buildpackage straight after) program wise, just packaging is odd :) |
| 11:28.52 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: what do you answer at console-setup? |
| 11:30.24 | Meiz_n810 | Finland, Finland and Western europe... |
| 11:30.55 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:31.39 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Mer imager is almost done installing |
| 11:31.47 | Stskeeps | good |
| 11:32.19 | Stskeeps | if you're on a slow connection where you're at, and you have a linux installation, consider looking into apt-proxy |
| 11:32.19 | RST38h | Compiled the slot machine. No crashes so fare. |
| 11:32.19 | Meiz_n810 | Phew... |
| 11:32.20 | Stskeeps | it speeds up things quite a bit |
| 11:32.28 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: installing in which sense? debootstrap? :P |
| 11:32.41 | RST38h | The problem is I do not see the screen, sshing to a tablet hidden in storage 20 meters away |
| 11:32.56 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: it is all done now |
| 11:32.59 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 11:33.36 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: without swap, my tablet always crashes when generating UTF-8 locales |
| 11:33.38 | Stskeeps | is unpacking atm himself |
| 11:33.45 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah.. those locales :P |
| 11:34.09 | Meiz_n810 | Weird that the problem appears only with UTF ones |
| 11:34.16 | Stskeeps | well we only generate one, so |
| 11:34.22 | Stskeeps | en.GB_UTF-8 |
| 11:34.52 | Stskeeps | which is another funny issue for community distributions.. |
| 11:34.58 | Stskeeps | nokia sure has gotten their translation right |
| 11:35.36 | Stskeeps | and is it copyright infrigement if people remake the .pos with translations? even if they're the only way to translate |
| 11:36.09 | Stskeeps | (so they look similar to nokia translations) |
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| 11:36.30 | lardman | morning |
| 11:36.33 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 11:36.37 | qwerty12 | hi lardman |
| 11:36.55 | lardman | qwerty12: any more luck with Qalculate! ? |
| 11:37.27 | qwerty12 | lardman, I have no plans to touch it :) |
| 11:37.43 | lardman | ok |
| 11:37.46 | qwerty12 | Besides, you're the programmer :P |
| 11:37.51 | lardman | did you push the support libs to Extras? |
| 11:37.59 | qwerty12 | No :/ |
| 11:38.06 | qwerty12 | I don't have the source packages anymore |
| 11:38.09 | lardman | qwerty12: yeah programming is different to arsing about with someone else's package ;) |
| 11:38.20 | Stskeeps | aw, so i'm not a coder atm? damnit |
| 11:38.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:38.22 | lardman | qwerty12: no worries, I'll dig mine out and push them |
| 11:38.43 | qwerty12 | lardman, packaging seems fine, but when it crashes with a load of glib errors - I think coding is required ;P |
| 11:39.27 | lardman | yeah, I think that's due to our crappy compiler, at least that used to be the problem with it |
| 11:39.37 | lardman | ~lart code sourcery |
| 11:39.37 | infobot | whips out his power stapler and staples code sourcery's foot to the floor |
| 11:40.05 | qwerty12 | lart nokia rather :). codesourcery seem on top with their toolchains imo |
| 11:40.13 | lardman | hmm, maybe |
| 11:40.21 | lardman | always used to be very hard to build them |
| 11:40.38 | lardman | don't worry, I imagine we'll have something new pretty soon ;) |
| 11:40.50 | qwerty12 | you can get a cs2008 toolchain for scratchbox but the way I got it to work with the diablo sdk is flaky at best |
| 11:40.51 | lardman | hope there's a new version of GCC at least |
| 11:41.16 | lardman | hmm, might just compile it using OE |
| 11:41.22 | Stskeeps | lardman: gcc 4.2 seems to be used in fremantle sdk |
| 11:41.26 | Stskeeps | (i think) |
| 11:41.30 | lardman | good stuff :) |
| 11:41.40 | lardman | how do we know that? |
| 11:42.33 | Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/diff-newer.html |
| 11:42.41 | Stskeeps | gcc-4.2 |
| 11:42.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:42.54 | lardman | nice, thanks :) |
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| 11:43.17 | t_s_o | hmm, now thats a interesting page there... |
| 11:43.41 | Stskeeps | meh, not so much anymore |
| 11:44.22 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810, solca: does stlc45xx require firmware? if so, thats -probably- why your wifis dont work .. :P |
| 11:44.51 | Meiz_n810 | ooka |
| 11:44.52 | Meiz_n810 | y |
| 11:45.06 | Meiz_n810 | What modules i should add to bootmanu.conf to boot Mer? |
| 11:45.16 | Stskeeps | the usual deblet ones |
| 11:45.18 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I thought stlc45xx-cal was for that? (calibration data rather) and solca says he already runs it |
| 11:45.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it requires firmware blob too i think |
| 11:45.37 | qwerty12 | umac? |
| 11:45.38 | Stskeeps | .. i'll check |
| 11:46.29 | Stskeeps | "There is no separate firmware, stlc45xx uses the same firmware as |
| 11:46.29 | Stskeeps | cx3110x/umac combination. |
| 11:46.29 | Stskeeps | " |
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| 11:47.47 | Stskeeps | ret = request_firmware(&fw, "3826.arm", &stlc->spi->dev); |
| 11:47.51 | Stskeeps | that might be why i guess |
| 11:48.43 | t_s_o | in other words, Stskeeps, the content of said page is outdated? |
| 11:49.08 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: i dunno, but it is rather old and it was quite early they put that list out |
| 11:49.19 | t_s_o | figures... |
| 11:49.40 | Stskeeps | more interesting is the stuff in SVN |
| 11:50.00 | Stskeeps | 768mb swap partition, 2gb linux partition, rest msdosfs, for internal MMC |
| 11:50.29 | t_s_o | internal mmc? bah, i like my two SD card N800... |
| 11:50.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, me too |
| 11:50.45 | Stskeeps | but if there's suddenly 8-32gb inside :P |
| 11:51.12 | qwerty12 | be nice if it wasn't soldered on... |
| 11:51.19 | Stskeeps | indeed |
| 11:51.29 | Stskeeps | wouldn't mind a two sd-card setup again |
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| 11:54.41 | t_s_o | not likely to happen tho, i guess |
| 11:55.24 | qwerty12 | Yeah... I wonder who's turn it was to wear the retard cap when that decision was made. |
| 11:55.38 | Stskeeps | waits for mer to finish installing |
| 11:56.09 | lardman | qwerty12: I can't see why it makes any odds really, except to people who want to boot from the card |
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| 11:56.56 | t_s_o | lifetime of the device ;) |
| 11:57.01 | qwerty12 | lardman, On the N810 at least, there have been reports of it messing up and when swap and h-a-m want to create their files on the internal card only, it makes a lot of difference. |
| 11:57.36 | lardman | well that's a bug in the apps |
| 11:58.16 | t_s_o | and now i have a suspicion why nokia wont go dual sd again, it makes people uninterested in upgrading... |
| 11:58.34 | RST38h | ah, the conspiracy theories... |
| 11:58.45 | RST38h | Nokia won't go dual sd because nobody needs dual sd |
| 11:58.59 | AStorm | qwerty12, there is actually enough space to solder in mmc card mount |
| 11:58.59 | AStorm | but would have to exterminate the chip |
| 11:59.16 | lardman | RST38h: +1 |
| 11:59.18 | RST38h | People do need some semidicent amount of storage by default which means Nokia will continue soldering sd cards on board |
| 11:59.19 | AStorm | and mod the case |
| 11:59.25 | t_s_o | RST38h: nobody needs a internet tablet either, if one wants to go down that path. dont stop nokia from selling them... |
| 11:59.31 | qwerty12 | AStorm, sounds like a bit of work :/ |
| 11:59.40 | RST38h | t_s_o: This one is incorrect |
| 11:59.46 | qwerty12 | RST38h, just sell it with a 2gb card then |
| 11:59.49 | t_s_o | how so? |
| 11:59.54 | RST38h | t_s_o: It has been somewhat of a sought item last Christmas |
| 11:59.58 | AStorm | btw, my n810 just oom'd |
| 12:00.04 | RST38h | qwerty: more expensive |
| 12:00.18 | RST38h | qwerty: more problems to support too |
| 12:00.18 | AStorm | t_s_o, wrong |
| 12:00.39 | AStorm | it's just cheaper to make |
| 12:00.40 | AStorm | and "batteries included" etc. |
| 12:00.45 | qwerty12 | RST38h, true :/. I'm still not a fan of the soldered internal card though, I do think it is a shit idea imo |
| 12:01.05 | AStorm | otherwise, they'd have to include a card |
| 12:01.27 | AStorm | qwerty12, sure |
| 12:01.27 | AStorm | esp. soldering these BGA |
| 12:01.28 | lardman | is it a real card soldered in there? |
| 12:01.35 | lardman | just the gubbins I guess? |
| 12:01.43 | RST38h | qwerty: it is a shitty idea from tinkerer's point of view |
| 12:01.51 | qwerty12 | true :) |
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| 12:02.17 | AStorm | RST38h, why more problems? |
| 12:02.17 | t_s_o | meh, where is that pandora... |
| 12:02.39 | lardman | t_s_o: hmm, good question |
| 12:02.42 | AStorm | the controller and software support is there |
| 12:03.32 | AStorm | lardman, a mmc chip |
| 12:03.58 | lardman | AStorm: ok |
| 12:04.03 | AStorm | it looks like a card+mount, but is a chip |
| 12:04.15 | lardman | so basically a quick and easy way to add in memory as they don't have space for the slot, etc |
| 12:04.30 | AStorm | afaicr some Samsung chip |
| 12:04.57 | AStorm | nice and tiny |
| 12:04.57 | AStorm | but, not replacable |
| 12:05.13 | t_s_o | from what i recall reading its basically the internals of a SD card, in chip form... |
| 12:05.26 | lardman | AStorm: nor is the NAND though |
| 12:05.28 | AStorm | actually, it's an SD chip |
| 12:05.29 | AStorm | (not SDHC) |
| 12:05.44 | t_s_o | i guess one could solder of the chip and solder on a slot, if one feel like trying... |
| 12:07.05 | t_s_o | i guess nokia did it this way for a quick and reliable location for their gps maps, so some user would not wonder why the device was reporting no maps, and go scream at the support people... |
| 12:07.07 | AStorm | lardman, well, NAND doesn't look like sd card :P |
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| 12:07.22 | AStorm | they could put 2x SDHC slot |
| 12:07.22 | AStorm | and larger NAND |
| 12:07.35 | AStorm | that could fly |
| 12:07.47 | t_s_o | i think the nand is limited by the omaps controller |
| 12:07.49 | AStorm | yup |
| 12:07.49 | AStorm | which is wrong |
| 12:08.03 | t_s_o | and the sd slots hooked up via usb or something... |
| 12:08.05 | AStorm | :) |
| 12:08.05 | AStorm | they could've sold "map cards" :P |
| 12:08.24 | lardman | I working on the assumption that there is not enough room in the n810 to put another card slot, therefore they've just stuck in the gubbins as a cheap way to add extra memory |
| 12:08.27 | t_s_o | or just included a 2GB SD in the box... |
| 12:08.50 | Stskeeps | yeah, i got a 64mb in my n800 box :P |
| 12:08.53 | Stskeeps | no complaints there |
| 12:09.15 | AStorm | lardman, there is enough |
| 12:09.15 | AStorm | more than enough |
| 12:09.16 | t_s_o | iirc, the internals are just like the N800, they shaved of some size by removing the dpad from the front and shrinking the other buttons, thats all... |
| 12:09.27 | lardman | ah well |
| 12:09.33 | AStorm | theres a block of free space around that chip |
| 12:09.51 | AStorm | enough to fit another card mount like the one currently present |
| 12:10.06 | t_s_o | i suspect that if one put a N800 and a N810 with the back covers off, side by side, it would look more or less the same... |
| 12:10.58 | AStorm | t_s_o, I still have the naked n810 pics |
| 12:10.58 | AStorm | Stskeeps, in mer, please do activate accessx |
| 12:11.10 | t_s_o | :P |
| 12:11.14 | t_s_o | geek porn |
| 12:11.16 | AStorm | for sticky keys |
| 12:11.36 | AStorm | (instead of hildon-i-m doing them) |
| 12:11.36 | AStorm | Stskeeps, btw, I'm about to build a new kernel |
| 12:11.59 | AStorm | what is needed to run new wifi? |
| 12:11.59 | AStorm | umac.ko? |
| 12:12.22 | Stskeeps | AStorm: think solca's a better person to ask about these things |
| 12:12.31 | Stskeeps | stlc45xx doesn't need umac.ko |
| 12:12.42 | Stskeeps | but needs 3826.arm firmware it seems |
| 12:14.07 | AStorm | sorry, my irc is lagged due to 64k and updating kernel git trees |
| 12:14.07 | AStorm | solca, what is needed to run new wifi driver? |
| 12:15.03 | AStorm | mhm |
| 12:15.03 | AStorm | where do I get that? |
| 12:15.17 | Stskeeps | 3826.arm firmware is laying in initfs |
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| 12:16.09 | AStorm | also, I'll need a fresh Xomap video driver... any easy (read: no sbox) way to build it vs new kernel headers? |
| 12:17.16 | AStorm | good |
| 12:17.36 | Stskeeps | AStorm: use xorg omapfb driver i guess :P |
| 12:17.52 | Stskeeps | no clue if it runs on maemo though |
| 12:18.25 | AStorm | Stskeeps, or maybe you could build me a .deb of omap driver vs latest linux-omap headers? :> |
| 12:18.37 | Stskeeps | AStorm: i run typical diablo kernel sorry :P |
| 12:19.05 | AStorm | uhm... |
| 12:19.14 | Stskeeps | is looking forward to solca's kexec-enabled bootloader |
| 12:19.25 | RST38h | Yohooooo! Slots run! |
| 12:19.47 | AStorm | I don't have a build env |
| 12:19.47 | AStorm | because sbox is horrid |
| 12:19.47 | AStorm | I *could* build it on the device though... |
| 12:20.25 | AStorm | after moving system to immc |
| 12:20.25 | AStorm | and installing toolchain |
| 12:20.28 | Stskeeps | okay, status bar applets and home applets, suggestions anyone? |
| 12:20.32 | Stskeeps | has to be OSS and in extras |
| 12:20.44 | Stskeeps | i have a-backlight already |
| 12:21.02 | AStorm | Stskeeps, it doesn't matter what you're running |
| 12:21.02 | AStorm | only headers matter :) |
| 12:21.34 | AStorm | you could build one vs linux-omap git headers, right? :) |
| 12:21.34 | AStorm | (backup your current headers, obviously) |
| 12:22.09 | AStorm | load-applet |
| 12:22.44 | Stskeeps | mm, that's true, meiz ported that without issue |
| 12:23.58 | Stskeeps | ok, seriously, " automake-1.7 --add-missing --foreign || automake --add-missing> --foreign |
| 12:24.01 | Stskeeps | " |
| 12:24.02 | Stskeeps | i see that in countless files |
| 12:24.05 | Stskeeps | isn't the > an error? |
| 12:24.30 | AStorm | btw, kexec is simple enough, but I'm not sure busybox has a tool to use it |
| 12:24.59 | AStorm | something would have to be added |
| 12:25.10 | Stskeeps | yeah, solca's working on it |
| 12:25.42 | lcuk | wakes up after his first ever brazilian.. |
| 12:25.45 | lcuk | ..meal |
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| 12:27.43 | AStorm | yup, it is |
| 12:27.45 | lcuk | ate slices of practically every animal |
| 12:27.52 | Stskeeps | an error? |
| 12:28.01 | Stskeeps | why on earth is it -everywhere- then |
| 12:28.02 | AStorm | but, it might be some horrible workaround |
| 12:28.02 | AStorm | it isn't ran anyway |
| 12:28.16 | Stskeeps | on automake > 1.7 systems it is :P |
| 12:30.01 | AStorm | ohfail |
| 12:30.01 | AStorm | autofail |
| 12:31.15 | jaska | autofools |
| 12:31.27 | jaska | (not you, the software :) |
| 12:31.51 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is symlink fb0 > fb needed anymore? |
| 12:33.24 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, i fixed this |
| 12:33.32 | Stskeeps | Option "fb" "/dev/fb0" in xorg.conf |
| 12:34.33 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 12:34.34 | AStorm | gimme that mer |
| 12:35.10 | AStorm | a variant installable to immc :> |
| 12:35.10 | AStorm | and yojur build env |
| 12:35.51 | Stskeeps | hehe, if you're thinking of cross-compiler, we don't have one just yet, variant installable to immc.. sec |
| 12:36.14 | lardman | AStorm: why is sb horrid? |
| 12:39.53 | AStorm | lardman, it's debian |
| 12:40.26 | AStorm | sb1 requires disabling vm randomization |
| 12:40.26 | AStorm | and I hate packaging for debian |
| 12:40.41 | AStorm | did I mention I hate .deb? |
| 12:41.29 | Stskeeps | AStorm: grab http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10ubuntu1_all.deb , install http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/installer/deblet-installer/usr/libexec/deblet/md5sum in /bin/md5sum and chmod +x it, and apt-get install binutils, .. and then mer-imager-20081207-1339.tar.gz , cd mer-imager-*, sh mer-imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /YOUR/TARGET/FS |
| 12:41.45 | Stskeeps | (.. not very user friendly atm) |
| 12:43.13 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, is there wifi in mer? |
| 12:43.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: usbnet, no wifi just yet |
| 12:43.43 | Stskeeps | trying to avoid touching non-OSS things while i build atm |
| 12:44.19 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm :/ is g_file_storage available? usbnet doesn't agree with my desktop |
| 12:44.20 | x29a | i read that there is some openmaps app for maemo, is that totally free? |
| 12:44.28 | AStorm | Stskeeps, where? on the device? |
| 12:44.31 | Stskeeps | AStorm: yeah |
| 12:44.39 | Stskeeps | we'll make tar.gz's eventually :P |
| 12:44.43 | x29a | or am i bound to the nokiamaps/non-free solutions? |
| 12:44.59 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: could you add libgtkstylus and sudo to n800 target? |
| 12:45.11 | AStorm | x29a, maemo-mapper? |
| 12:45.12 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: sure on sudo |
| 12:45.22 | x29a | AStorm: ill check on that, thank you |
| 12:45.24 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 12:45.28 | AStorm | it can use OpenStreet and Google Maps |
| 12:45.28 | AStorm | and more |
| 12:45.42 | lardman | AStorm: I fear we're stuck with it until the tablets use a different format ;) |
| 12:46.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you can probably easily hack up g_serial |
| 12:46.08 | Stskeeps | i think the .ko is there |
| 12:46.31 | AStorm | ehh |
| 12:46.43 | AStorm | lardman, Gentoo on armel anyone? |
| 12:46.43 | AStorm | :/ |
| 12:46.43 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, shouldn't be hard, i've used it in maemo |
| 12:46.52 | lardman | AStorm: no way on Earth! |
| 12:47.06 | AStorm | I just want a new kernel with less "misfeatures" |
| 12:47.07 | Stskeeps | AStorm: slonsomething worked on this already |
| 12:47.19 | AStorm | Stskeeps, g_serial is from kernel |
| 12:47.19 | lardman | mad people |
| 12:47.20 | qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus iirc |
| 12:47.45 | AStorm | the serial gadget |
| 12:47.57 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know |
| 12:47.57 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yeah, compiling on device isn't my cup of tea either :P |
| 12:48.00 | x29a | AStorm: i guess im all set with http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/travel/ |
| 12:48.11 | AStorm | yup |
| 12:48.34 | AStorm | he failed at building something :) |
| 12:48.34 | AStorm | toolchain I guess |
| 12:48.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: bootmode 4 in rescue menu is g_serial, made the gfx already :P then it's pretty trivial to make one based on usbnet-emergency-telnetd |
| 12:48.59 | AStorm | that I've already done |
| 12:49.08 | AStorm | ah, no, python :) |
| 12:49.22 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, cool |
| 12:49.40 | AStorm | meh |
| 12:49.49 | AStorm | use dropbear |
| 12:50.02 | Stskeeps | AStorm: when he doesn't have usbnet.. :P |
| 12:50.05 | AStorm | emergency-ssh > emergency-telnet |
| 12:50.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: https://code.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/usbnet-emergency-telnetd |
| 12:50.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it actually boots straight into hildon now and has advanced backlight, woo :P |
| 12:51.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe, nice work! |
| 12:51.14 | Stskeeps | (though only when console is activated, hmm. :P) |
| 12:51.19 | AStorm | Stskeeps, how can he not have usbnet? |
| 12:51.21 | qwerty12_N800 | but load-applet or nothing :P |
| 12:51.34 | AStorm | g_ether |
| 12:51.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: compiling that right now |
| 12:52.03 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, one day; it worked with my desktop, the next day ; not |
| 12:52.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, woot |
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| 12:52.19 | Meiz_n810 | Maemo packages conflict with epiphany-webkit and gdm :( |
| 12:52.46 | AStorm | heh |
| 12:52.48 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah.. i haven't touched outside packages just yet |
| 12:52.53 | zpol | hola |
| 12:52.54 | Stskeeps | the big sinner is gnomevfs2 |
| 12:53.01 | Stskeeps | and apt for being silly |
| 12:53.03 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 12:53.26 | Stskeeps | does it boot into hildon? |
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| 12:56.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: load-applet hereby brewing |
| 12:56.41 | qwerty12_N800 | whee :) |
| 12:57.41 | Stskeeps | (#merbuilder on jaiku, warning, a lot of traffic.) |
| 12:57.58 | qwerty12_N800 | perhaps fiferboy's large-statusbar-clock or the statusbarclock if you like analog clocks? (both in extras) |
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| 13:02.16 | Stskeeps | mm, that'll have to be queued, don't have alarm framework yet |
| 13:02.20 | Stskeeps | (large-statusbar-clock) |
| 13:03.00 | qwerty12_N800 | ah. i dunno if anyone uses its alarm feature :) |
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| 13:03.51 | Stskeeps | but anyway, it seems like the stuff is stable enough to start putting stuff on top of now |
| 13:04.12 | Stskeeps | still some APIs missing obviously |
| 13:04.26 | Stskeeps | and contents of control panel. :P |
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| 13:05.26 | Stskeeps | should probably port osso-xterm.. |
| 13:06.53 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, if you do compile control panel (dunno if it's been done), include yerga's fullscreen patch |
| 13:07.30 | Meiz_n810 | i'll try to make kourou work :) |
| 13:08.51 | AStorm | mhm |
| 13:08.51 | AStorm | and xchat |
| 13:08.51 | AStorm | :) |
| 13:08.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: already done |
| 13:09.05 | qwerty12_N800 | cool |
| 13:09.16 | Stskeeps | dont really have any contents of it though |
| 13:09.20 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, +1 :) |
| 13:10.41 | AStorm | don't forget to grab ukeyboard too |
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| 13:14.52 | AStorm | meh, 64k + git = 10h dload |
| 13:14.52 | AStorm | :> |
| 13:15.18 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 13:21.49 | lardman | hmm, can I save long long data in an sqllite database? |
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| 13:22.20 | AStorm | sure |
| 13:22.31 | lardman | as INTEGER, or as TEXT? |
| 13:22.37 | AStorm | you can have even larger numbers |
| 13:22.53 | AStorm | sqlite stores all as text, so... |
| 13:23.01 | AStorm | doesn't matter |
| 13:23.11 | lardman | hmm, it can store real & integer data in binary form now |
| 13:23.17 | AStorm | INTEGER conversion will cut to 64b on most wrappers |
| 13:23.21 | lardman | ok, so all as text then will be easiest |
| 13:23.35 | AStorm | but e.g. not in python sqlite wrapper |
| 13:23.41 | lardman | actually I probably only need 64bit |
| 13:24.09 | AStorm | for what? |
| 13:24.16 | lardman | UPC number |
| 13:24.31 | AStorm | may I remind you to change transaction mode |
| 13:24.40 | AStorm | if you're writing a lot of data |
| 13:24.45 | lardman | please do, and tell me what/how too :) |
| 13:24.47 | AStorm | :) |
| 13:25.11 | AStorm | transaction in sqlite is expensive, ending it forces an fsync |
| 13:25.33 | AStorm | so, you don't want autocommit |
| 13:25.40 | AStorm | check sqlite docs |
| 13:25.47 | lardman | ok |
| 13:25.58 | lardman | right, have to go into town, bbl |
| 13:26.01 | lardman | thanks AStorm |
| 13:26.21 | lcuk | AStorm, do you need a transaction if you are writing a single record at a time |
| 13:26.25 | lcuk | on a single user db |
| 13:26.57 | lcuk | thought transactions were only required for bulk operations updating multiple tables requiring concurrency |
| 13:27.01 | AStorm | you don't |
| 13:27.13 | AStorm | but you want to disable autocommit then |
| 13:27.13 | AStorm | as it fsyncs on each commit |
| 13:27.24 | AStorm | lcuk, yes |
| 13:27.34 | AStorm | but sqlite fsyncs its files |
| 13:27.43 | AStorm | which is *slow* |
| 13:27.52 | AStorm | you don't want to do that every query |
| 13:27.54 | lcuk | ahhh, this is showing itself currently with firefox updating its good/bad site database |
| 13:28.16 | AStorm | thus, you batch things in a transaction |
| 13:28.20 | lcuk | on linux the fsyncing is taking much longer - i was reading a discussion |
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| 13:28.57 | lcuk | so sqlite stores transaction in memory until ready then blits it out in one go |
| 13:32.00 | lcuk | still cant believe he ate chicken heart |
| 13:32.34 | Stskeeps | lcuk: when i was in hong kong they served a whole chicken.. with head |
| 13:32.41 | Stskeeps | i don't like food looking at me |
| 13:33.10 | lcuk | yeah, that would be disconcerning |
| 13:33.46 | lcuk | the worst one that i could never try is live fish sushi |
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| 13:37.59 | Stskeeps | tries out load-applet |
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| 13:41.27 | RST38h | Gentlemen, anybody willing to look fo |
| 13:41.35 | RST38h | mghm |
| 13:41.51 | RST38h | Gentlemen, anybody willing to look for slots-related imagery on the Net? |
| 13:43.19 | lcuk | what do you mean |
| 13:43.44 | RST38h | stuff shown on slot machine drums |
| 13:46.48 | lcuk | RST38h, you mean the whole strip of these: http://www.allslotsgames.com/image/slots_work.jpg |
| 13:48.10 | lcuk | http://cgi.ebay.com/Golden-Nugget-Slot-Machine-Reel-Strip-Set_W0QQitemZ310103973488QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081127?IMSfp=TL081127112008r33459#ebayphotohosting |
| 13:48.49 | lcuk | you would be better starting with individual glyphs for each hit wouldnt you - that way you can arrange them how you want |
| 13:51.48 | RST38h | yea |
| 13:51.49 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: load applet works without hassle |
| 13:52.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, w00t |
| 13:52.59 | Stskeeps | best way to reboot.. kill dsme |
| 13:53.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:53.28 | RST38h | Need this: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/arts-and-entertainment/6910013-slot-symbols.php?id=6910013 but for free |
| 13:54.31 | lcuk | RST38h, go and troll the barroom games available in linux, most will be gpl and most will have assets like you need |
| 13:54.56 | lcuk | or just mock up your own while you wait |
| 13:54.59 | RST38h | ah |
| 13:55.18 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, run-standalone.sh dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.mce" --print-reply "/com/nokia/mce/request" com.nokia.mce.request.req_reboot ftw :P |
| 13:55.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: no MCE |
| 13:55.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:55.33 | Stskeeps | (yet) |
| 13:55.33 | qwerty12_N800 | powerlaunch? |
| 13:55.40 | Stskeeps | not yet, but it will be there |
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| 13:55.50 | gnuton | hey guys! |
| 13:56.06 | qwerty12_N800 | skeen, iirc powerlaunch listens to mce dbus commands |
| 13:56.09 | qwerty12_N800 | hi gnuton |
| 13:56.21 | gnuton | hello qwerty12_N800 ! :D |
| 13:56.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, it has a mce replacement |
| 13:57.07 | lcuk | hiya gnuton |
| 13:57.17 | gnuton | Hola lcuk ! :D |
| 13:57.26 | AStorm | broken replacement too |
| 13:57.40 | gnuton | lcuk: I installed your application (DEB) on my device.. :D |
| 13:57.41 | Stskeeps | so-so |
| 13:57.47 | lcuk | lets see if i get this right.. gnuton, you found your way here. hope mapper is going well |
| 13:58.04 | lcuk | :D excellent |
| 13:58.33 | gnuton | lcuk: but some time it reboot my device :P |
| 13:59.01 | gnuton | reboots |
| 13:59.03 | lcuk | :( thats not good, upgrade your drivers or buy a new graphics card |
| 13:59.22 | gnuton | lcuk: :P |
| 13:59.49 | lcuk | how often though? cos its not right that it dies |
| 14:00.30 | lcuk | mine copes with all sorts and i havent had it crash at all recently (mainly because ive become a user fulltime instead of screwing with it) |
| 14:00.44 | gnuton | It happens only few times. |
| 14:00.53 | lcuk | a few times more than it should |
| 14:01.41 | lcuk | the worst part is that i cannot code round it, its not a bug in code from what i or others can see and some machines are perfectly find whilst others are less stable |
| 14:01.50 | lcuk | fine ^ |
| 14:02.00 | gnuton | :( |
| 14:02.04 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, hey, you around? |
| 14:02.58 | gnuton | It's time for a good shower! See you later.. |
| 14:03.11 | lcuk | cya later - but 1 thing, did you like what you saw |
| 14:03.58 | lcuk | mmmmm idea for others, can i make liqbase part of the OS watchdog thing, so if it dies it will be restarted |
| 14:04.06 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 14:04.10 | Stskeeps | but the interfaces aren't public |
| 14:04.15 | Stskeeps | .. i think |
| 14:04.18 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, run it with dsmetool |
| 14:04.18 | Stskeeps | (dsmetool?) |
| 14:04.21 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:04.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:04.31 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 14:04.36 | lcuk | thanks, when it comes closer to the time ill look into it |
| 14:04.49 | Stskeeps | liqOS? |
| 14:05.19 | lcuk | no, you are building the OS :) ill just give you a pretty playground for the ui :) |
| 14:06.58 | lcuk | i do like the sound of it the more people say it though :P :D |
| 14:08.26 | Stskeeps | is ponders what kind of impact on that being able to royally fuck about with hildon desktop layout will do of possibilities |
| 14:09.41 | lcuk | "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical." |
| 14:10.02 | lcuk | "We can deluge you with a thousand channels or expand one single image to crystal clarity and beyond." |
| 14:10.09 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: think it's possible to inject the tty.py and getpass thing into the .deb so i can stop having to give people .tar.gzs? :P |
| 14:10.26 | Stskeeps | (i suspect you can actually put it in the bzr directory) |
| 14:11.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i'll do it when I'm on my but i didn't want to cause conflicts between packages :P |
| 14:11.18 | qwerty12_N800 | ^computer |
| 14:11.27 | Stskeeps | yeah, - that's why im saying it is possible to put them other places, i guess :P |
| 14:12.20 | qwerty12_N800 | if it works like that cool, if not, i'll make a postinst with dirty solutions involving || true's :P |
| 14:12.23 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 14:18.53 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-loadadv.png |
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| 14:20.00 | qwerty12_N800 | woot, now all you need is a clock & possibly adv-power (i know, i know ; it's not in extras :)) |
| 14:20.18 | Stskeeps | pybattery you mean? :P |
| 14:20.19 | Stskeeps | or? |
| 14:20.42 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, the General convinced him to change the name |
| 14:20.54 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:21.30 | qwerty12_N800 | the thread's title still saying pybattery is a limitation of vbulletin |
| 14:21.55 | RST38h | qwerty: You reimplemented it in C? |
| 14:22.10 | qwerty12_N800 | no :) |
| 14:22.16 | qwerty12_N800 | I wish :D |
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| 14:22.36 | RST38h | eh |
| 14:22.41 | lcuk | Stskeeps, thats amazing :D |
| 14:24.06 | Stskeeps | lcuk: still a long way to go |
| 14:25.01 | Stskeeps | so, what should be part of Mer base firmware image? |
| 14:25.04 | lcuk | Stskeeps, but its emerging |
| 14:25.08 | Stskeeps | only OSS things are allowed |
| 14:26.05 | qwerty12_N800 | goatse |
| 14:27.26 | Stskeeps | not OSS afaik :P |
| 14:27.39 | RST38h | how do you know? |
| 14:28.10 | qwerty12_N800 | it would be a very welcoming background image to replace plankton's one :p |
| 14:28.50 | RST38h | Weird...More and more people do not know what to do with a .zip file |
| 14:29.14 | RST38h | qwerty: or maybe you should go with tubgirl... |
| 14:29.29 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: feel free to find new bgs :P |
| 14:29.35 | RST38h | qwerty: as better reflecting the spirit of open source... |
| 14:29.42 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P |
| 14:30.27 | qwerty12_N800 | ~curse collabora's pidgin-data package for screwing with gconf and being full of shit |
| 14:30.27 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, collabora's pidgin-data package for screwing with gconf and being full of shit ! |
| 14:31.09 | RST38h | qwerty: Do not install collabora's pidgin |
| 14:31.24 | RST38h | They never tested it, and only provide it as a dependency for their own comms stuff |
| 14:32.49 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, i was following qole's instructions to get rtcomm working. did dpkg -L pidgin-data, found one useful file so i edited /var/lib/dpkg/status to remove the dependency on pidgin-data data and did a apt-get remove --purge pidgin-data |
| 14:33.05 | qwerty12_N800 | 20mb back :) |
| 14:33.12 | RST38h | Oh, never install this crap |
| 14:33.22 | RST38h | If you want pidgin install nix's version |
| 14:33.55 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, i don't want pidgin though :). their libpurple depends on it :/ |
| 14:34.32 | RST38h | pidgin-data is actually an optional package if you install nix's stuff |
| 14:35.23 | qwerty12_N800 | I can see why, it's just full of pics & sounds. God knows why libpurple for rtcomm needs it... |
| 14:36.01 | Stskeeps | queues python-hildondesktop for build |
| 14:36.05 | Stskeeps | think that'll make some things easier |
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| 14:52.08 | Meiz_n810 | Mer looks great! |
| 14:52.09 | Meiz_n810 | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer# |
| 14:52.13 | Meiz_n810 | added some pics |
| 14:53.31 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: how can i change the user that hildon-desktop is started |
| 14:53.45 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: so far it's "just root" :P i'll fix it later this week |
| 14:53.55 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 14:54.06 | Stskeeps | you should post those pics on Jaiku too |
| 14:54.24 | Stskeeps | and yes, that actually looks better than i expected O_o |
| 14:54.49 | Meiz_n810 | I posted already =P |
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| 14:54.53 | Stskeeps | hehe, good |
| 14:55.09 | Meiz_n810 | pcmanfm wont work :( |
| 14:55.14 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's a bit odd |
| 14:55.33 | Meiz_n810 | but it's running in the backround... |
| 14:56.09 | Stskeeps | gpicview seems to work fine though |
| 14:56.16 | Meiz_n810 | not for me |
| 14:56.23 | Stskeeps | oh, isn't that the image viewer? |
| 14:56.35 | Meiz_n810 | yes it is |
| 14:56.36 | Meiz_n810 | but |
| 14:56.49 | Meiz_n810 | if i try to open pic it crases |
| 14:56.54 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:56.55 | Meiz_n810 | *crashes |
| 14:57.16 | Meiz_n810 | Maybe because root user? |
| 14:57.28 | Stskeeps | well or just that it's a rather fragile system right now |
| 14:57.30 | Stskeeps | but maybe |
| 14:57.36 | Stskeeps | or problems with gnomevfs2 |
| 14:57.49 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 14:58.02 | Stskeeps | but yes, it actually looks quite good |
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| 14:58.11 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 14:58.12 | Meiz_n810 | i'll install lxterminal, so i can do something in Mer |
| 14:58.50 | Meiz_n810 | apt-get update takes forever with my great connection speed |
| 14:58.52 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
| 14:59.05 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:59.46 | b1ackdeath | quick question on porting software for the n810 would it be better to have a .deb file or a tar ball or it really just matters what the dependencies are??? |
| 15:00.56 | AStorm | .deb would be better |
| 15:01.52 | b1ackdeath | then its all a mater of the dependencies |
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| 15:05.11 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: you should try compiling some maemo apps i guess |
| 15:05.33 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 15:05.47 | AStorm | b1ackdeath, more like, ease of installation |
| 15:06.07 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: for armel or x86? |
| 15:06.34 | Stskeeps | armel |
| 15:06.35 | b1ackdeath | right? and all the tools i would need to port a deb are in the maemo vmware appliance |
| 15:06.48 | Stskeeps | compiling on tablet would probably be painful but possible :P |
| 15:06.48 | AStorm | b1ackdeath, yes |
| 15:06.49 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: ok |
| 15:06.56 | AStorm | in scratchbox |
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| 15:11.54 | b1ackdeath | has anyone looked at the extented battery for the n810 |
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| 15:25.17 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is it possible to add lancode repo and install diablo 12pt themes? |
| 15:25.35 | Meiz_n810 | :L |
| 15:25.39 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: im not sure we have the same icons and stuff. Maybe? |
| 15:25.55 | Meiz_n810 | I'll try :P |
| 15:26.22 | Meiz_n810 | when all this build stuff installs first |
| 15:26.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, it's probably easier just editing the gtkrc of your favourite theme to change sizes |
| 15:27.31 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty12_N800: size was not the biggest point... I want to try other themes too |
| 15:27.43 | qwerty12_N800 | meh |
| 15:30.33 | nikosapi | Might someone know why my n810 isn't booting past the initial "Nokia" screen? It doesn't even get to the loading progress bar... |
| 15:31.06 | Stskeeps | nikosapi: time for a reflash, i assume you've tried pulling the battery? |
| 15:31.08 | nikosapi | I tried re-flashing the kernel and the initfs and still nothing :( |
| 15:31.13 | Stskeeps | hmm :P |
| 15:31.18 | nikosapi | Stskeeps: many, many times :( |
| 15:32.31 | nikosapi | I don't really want to lose all my data... When you do a full flash, what else happens besides the kernel, initfs and rootfs images getting copied to the device? |
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| 15:33.11 | Stskeeps | rootfs usually contains your data, it doesn't zap your internal MMC though |
| 15:34.00 | nikosapi | right, so I don't think it even comes in to play this early in the boot process, right? |
| 15:34.01 | mavhc | your my docs is gone |
| 15:34.04 | Stskeeps | nikosapi: if it shows nokia logo and you can reflash kernel and initfs, it's probably not all hosed, just your rootfs |
| 15:34.17 | nikosapi | oh.. |
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| 15:34.34 | nikosapi | is there any way to debug this? |
| 15:34.57 | Stskeeps | i sadly don't have a n810, else i could have given you an initfs that would allow you to pull out your files :P |
| 15:35.21 | nikosapi | ooo, how does that work? |
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| 15:36.01 | Stskeeps | well if you had fanoush's bootmenu and installed usb telnetd, you could telnet in through usb and copy your files to mmc |
| 15:36.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, initfs images don't differ according to model :P |
| 15:36.21 | Meiz_n810 | i have n810 |
| 15:36.35 | ^Tux^ | I think what Sts is sayin is.. buy him an n810 and he'll fix your shit |
| 15:36.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: :P |
| 15:36.39 | ^Tux^ | haha ;) |
| 15:36.53 | Stskeeps | ^Tux^: there's a n810 at work i can play with if i wanted to |
| 15:37.00 | Meiz_n810 | ^Tux^ :p |
| 15:37.13 | woglinde | hi |
| 15:37.20 | qwerty12_N800 | best i can give is an initfs that gets ur lock code :p |
| 15:37.23 | qwerty12_N800 | hi woglinde |
| 15:38.01 | nikosapi | What if I booted it off of an SD card? Then could I access the data on the internal memory? |
| 15:38.08 | qwerty12_N800 | yep |
| 15:38.18 | RST38h | Hehehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/07/brit_isps_censor_wikipedia/ |
| 15:38.25 | nikosapi | great, now I just have to figure out how to do that :P |
| 15:38.26 | Stskeeps | nikosapi: but this requires a bootmenu which you dont have installed atm :P |
| 15:38.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, you can set root device via flasher |
| 15:38.52 | Stskeeps | true |
| 15:38.58 | nikosapi | yup, --set-root-device |
| 15:39.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: but kernel doesn't have ext2/ext3 in kernel. |
| 15:39.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:39.01 | Stskeeps | so |
| 15:39.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, linuxrc has code for insmodding |
| 15:39.48 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know |
| 15:39.50 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:39.51 | Stskeeps | true |
| 15:39.55 | Stskeeps | i'm being an idiot |
| 15:40.05 | Stskeeps | goes do homework |
| 15:40.05 | qwerty12_N800 | nikosapi, mkdir /mnt/intfs ; mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt/intfs |
| 15:40.17 | nikosapi | omg omg omg, it booted!!! |
| 15:40.19 | nikosapi | wtf |
| 15:40.25 | nikosapi | 20 minutes later |
| 15:41.03 | nikosapi | now what would cause a 20 minute boot delay? |
| 15:41.19 | mavhc | did you install vista on it? |
| 15:41.59 | Meiz_n810 | lol |
| 15:42.10 | nikosapi | hahah, yes but I'm using ReadyBoost(tm), I thought that should speed things up |
| 15:42.24 | nikosapi | crap, now it's frozen :S |
| 15:42.31 | mavhc | ssh? |
| 15:42.32 | Stskeeps | nikosapi: you probably want to install fanosh bootmenu to be able to rescue your data in the future |
| 15:42.37 | glass_ | readyboost takes time to get into action.. |
| 15:42.56 | glass_ | ah that was the other thing |
| 15:42.58 | glass_ | silly me |
| 15:43.36 | nikosapi | ok, now it un-froze itself in a wave of menus popping up and notifications. |
| 15:43.40 | nikosapi | time to back up |
| 15:45.46 | nikosapi | does rd mode disable that watchdog timer which reboots the device if it's unresponsive for too long? |
| 15:45.58 | glass_ | i think so(not sure) |
| 15:46.04 | glass_ | hmm |
| 15:46.10 | glass_ | i should just shut up and go get some sleep |
| 15:46.23 | Stskeeps | nop, thats another setting i think |
| 15:46.46 | nikosapi | oh, I'll look into that |
| 15:48.18 | nikosapi | --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 15:48.42 | AStorm | doesn't work |
| 15:48.44 | AStorm | :P |
| 15:48.48 | AStorm | checked that |
| 15:49.26 | AStorm | this one is for cpu hang |
| 15:49.32 | AStorm | which is hard to make |
| 15:49.49 | qwerty12_N800 | no-lifeguard-reset stops dsmetool from rebooting the device if it couldn't start something or if something ran by it is killed |
| 15:50.01 | AStorm | yup |
| 15:50.14 | AStorm | and there's also omap watchdog |
| 15:50.26 | AStorm | and a watchdog of the rtc chip |
| 15:50.39 | AStorm | the last one is the one usually restarting things |
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| 16:01.38 | Meiz_n810 | WTF? |
| 16:01.58 | Meiz_n810 | 20min ago jauntys universe was 4800kb |
| 16:02.05 | Meiz_n810 | now only 3600kb |
| 16:02.07 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 16:02.10 | Stskeeps | compressed? |
| 16:02.23 | Meiz_n810 | maybe .gz/.bz2 |
| 16:02.58 | Meiz_n810 | it's compressed, but it might be .bz2 now |
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| 16:05.28 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: if the theme chooser don't work how can i change theme? |
| 16:05.32 | Meiz_n810 | in mer |
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| 16:09.23 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, that's the problem :P |
| 16:09.29 | Stskeeps | edit start-hildon i think |
| 16:09.33 | Stskeeps | (/usr/bin/start-hildon) |
| 16:09.47 | Meiz_n810 | ah |
| 16:10.07 | Stskeeps | brb shop |
| 16:10.11 | Meiz_n810 | at least it works for matchbox... |
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| 16:35.05 | Ro9u3oR | im trying to get my n800 to take a charge from the usb. can someone walk me thru it |
| 16:35.17 | qwerty12 | you don't. |
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| 16:36.26 | qwerty12 | You could try a http://europe.nokia.com/A4317011 but that uses the charger socket |
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| 16:40.15 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: should i try to build some packages from extras or..? |
| 16:40.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, if you'd like to |
| 16:41.03 | Stskeeps | and talk about some of the build dependancies you run itno |
| 16:41.10 | Stskeeps | that are missing |
| 16:41.35 | Meiz_n810 | powerlaunch needs libconic0-dev |
| 16:41.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, i was working on that one |
| 16:41.54 | Stskeeps | focusing on homework atm :P |
| 16:41.59 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 16:42.04 | Stskeeps | try some of the "normal" apps |
| 16:42.59 | Meiz_n810 | what about mplayer? |
| 16:43.09 | Stskeeps | could try |
| 16:43.15 | Stskeeps | is it a source package? |
| 16:43.30 | qwerty12 | mplayer source is in extras |
| 16:44.14 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.12 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it possibly works like crap though performance wise, but we should give it a try |
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| 16:47.06 | ssvb | Stskeeps: :) |
| 16:47.12 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 16:47.15 | ssvb | what makes you think so? |
| 16:47.39 | Stskeeps | ssvb: we're having fb update mode auto and a new xorg omapfb driver.. |
| 16:47.45 | Stskeeps | nothing against mplayer, i'm sure it's fine |
| 16:48.17 | ssvb | fb update mode auto is probably very slow |
| 16:48.23 | Stskeeps | .. as i just said |
| 16:48.48 | ssvb | i see, does new xorg omapfb driver not support manual updates? |
| 16:48.49 | Stskeeps | omapfb doesn't do manual updates just yet, at least as far as i could see when i ran it |
| 16:49.42 | ssvb | yes, and it has quite nonoptimized, xv which is cpu hungry |
| 16:50.41 | Stskeeps | but for our purposes right now it's better than xomap :P |
| 16:50.58 | ssvb | what are your purposes? |
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| 16:52.10 | Stskeeps | ssvb: the whole maemo-reconstructed proof of concept distribution, Mer |
| 16:52.33 | Stskeeps | (i would love a xorg omap with manual updates.) |
| 16:52.35 | ssvb | I mean how does it affect xomap vs xorg omapfb issue? |
| 16:52.45 | ssvb | both are fully open source |
| 16:52.58 | ssvb | xomap is only based on older version of xorg |
| 16:53.10 | Stskeeps | ssvb: xomap doesn't really compile that well together with newer xorg header |
| 16:53.10 | Stskeeps | s |
| 16:53.37 | Stskeeps | in any case, it works for us atm :P |
| 16:54.11 | Stskeeps | looking forward to it improving, looks like there's quite a lot of activity on it |
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| 16:54.50 | ssvb | i hope they will not drop it halfway :) |
| 16:55.11 | Stskeeps | else nokia would obviously need something for their devices as they're dropping xomap too |
| 16:55.43 | ssvb | i would really like to see all the good stuff from xomap ported to the recent upstream xorg |
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| 16:58.35 | Stskeeps | ssvb: so you did the mplayer bits for 770/n8x0 since you woke up so abruptly by anyone claiming it would be slow? ;) |
| 17:01.39 | ssvb | yes, more or less |
| 17:01.54 | ssvb | but I dropped its support more than half a year ago |
| 17:02.16 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 17:02.27 | ssvb | I just though that somebody would want to take over its maintainance :) |
| 17:02.43 | Stskeeps | well it works quite well, i guess :P |
| 17:03.02 | ssvb | it needs to be upgraded to the latest upstream release |
| 17:03.26 | Meiz_n810 | What is the command for automatical build-depends install? |
| 17:03.43 | ssvb | i also tried pushing ARM performance patches upstream, but only roughly half of them reached it yet |
| 17:03.46 | qwerty12 | Meiz_n810, apt-get build-dep <package you want builddeps for> |
| 17:03.49 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: for extras packages i dont really think there is one.. dpkg-buildpackage will show you whic |
| 17:03.54 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 17:03.56 | Stskeeps | you're missing |
| 17:04.21 | ShadowJK | ssvb, anyone objected to the arm patches? |
| 17:04.31 | ShadowJK | I guess they'd mostly been libswscale or libavcodec stuff |
| 17:05.23 | ssvb | ShadowJK: it's a long story |
| 17:07.39 | ShadowJK | when you say "nonoptimized xv", I sure hope it isn't doing colourspace transform in CPU or something silly like that |
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| 17:08.02 | Meiz_n810 | Mediabox built with no problem |
| 17:08.19 | Stskeeps | sounds good, does it run? (no sound probably) |
| 17:08.31 | Meiz_n810 | sec |
| 17:09.51 | Meiz_n810 | mytube built too :) |
| 17:12.17 | Stskeeps | you building them on tablet i assume? |
| 17:12.25 | Meiz_n810 | yes |
| 17:12.36 | Meiz_n810 | mediabox wont install :( |
| 17:13.10 | Stskeeps | what errors? |
| 17:13.35 | Meiz_n810 | wait |
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| 17:14.07 | ^Tux^ | "Aiee Penguin on the SCSI-bus" |
| 17:14.08 | ^Tux^ | ? |
| 17:14.08 | ^Tux^ | :P |
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| 17:24.25 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: mediabox: Dependency is not satisfiable: python2.5-runtime |
| 17:24.31 | Stskeeps | hmm. |
| 17:24.54 | Stskeeps | maemoism |
| 17:25.06 | Stskeeps | edit debian/control, depend on python2.5 |
| 17:25.10 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 17:26.36 | Meiz_n810 | I also built tablet-hw-n8x0-nonfree from deblet repo :P |
| 17:26.41 | Stskeeps | hehe :P |
| 17:26.46 | Meiz_n810 | i wanna see if wifi works |
| 17:26.46 | Stskeeps | no clue if they work |
| 17:26.57 | Meiz_n810 | why not? |
| 17:26.59 | Stskeeps | need cx3110x too |
| 17:27.08 | Meiz_n810 | umac module? |
| 17:27.17 | Stskeeps | is in initfs |
| 17:28.05 | Meiz_n810 | make_repo built and installed cx3110x-umac automatically :) |
| 17:28.25 | Meiz_n810 | well, it did not install, but build |
| 17:28.30 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:29.03 | Stskeeps | wifi probably works with /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 17:29.20 | Meiz_n810 | nm-applet? |
| 17:29.31 | Meiz_n810 | i opened my wifi for android... |
| 17:29.49 | Stskeeps | or nm-applet could work too |
| 17:29.50 | Meiz_n810 | should work |
| 17:29.51 | Stskeeps | (start-hildon) |
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| 17:43.34 | pupnik_ | these toys that don't quite get released before christmas drive me nuts |
| 17:43.38 | pupnik_ | N810, Pandora |
| 17:43.56 | Meiz_n810 | n810? |
| 17:44.17 | pupnik_ | well - which don't ship |
| 17:44.23 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 17:46.08 | Stskeeps | will look forward to having his tablet when going home for xmas. :P |
| 17:46.17 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: helped? |
| 17:46.37 | Meiz_n810 | mediabox? yes |
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| 17:46.43 | Stskeeps | it worked? |
| 17:46.51 | Meiz_n810 | but mplayer is not available yet |
| 17:46.55 | Stskeeps | yeah, obviously |
| 17:47.01 | zakkm | does about:config work on microb? |
| 17:47.04 | Stskeeps | did you get th interface? |
| 17:47.21 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: what? |
| 17:47.33 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: mediabox, did the interface come up? :P |
| 17:47.45 | Meiz_n810 | It depends on mplayer |
| 17:47.47 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:47.53 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 17:48.12 | Meiz_n810 | maybe i'll force it and try anyway :) |
| 17:48.27 | Stskeeps | also a possibiliy |
| 17:48.28 | Meiz_n810 | moblin-media would be cool |
| 17:48.45 | Meiz_n810 | it conflicts with maemos packages :( |
| 17:49.15 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 17:49.38 | zakkm | force it :P |
| 17:49.46 | Meiz_n810 | moblin-media? |
| 17:49.51 | zakkm | yeah |
| 17:49.55 | Meiz_n810 | i don't think so :P |
| 17:50.03 | zakkm | hey moblin |
| 17:50.04 | zakkm | i heard of that |
| 17:50.07 | zakkm | it works on the nokia? |
| 17:50.41 | Meiz_n810 | ubuntu-MID should work now (including moblin pankages) |
| 17:51.02 | Stskeeps | pancakes? |
| 17:51.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:51.04 | Meiz_n810 | *packages |
| 17:51.05 | zakkm | whats the worse that can happen if you force a package? |
| 17:51.21 | Stskeeps | zakkm: apt stops working.. :P |
| 17:51.27 | Meiz_n810 | system will not boot |
| 17:51.28 | zakkm | its called make a backup first |
| 17:51.31 | zakkm | what if it does work? |
| 17:51.33 | tulkastaldo | the world will be destroyed in a ball of hellfire |
| 17:51.58 | zakkm | it might conflict withlike one line of coding |
| 17:52.13 | Meiz_n810 | last summer, i added debian repos to chinook and my tablet did not boot after i installed something |
| 17:52.18 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:52.24 | Meiz_n810 | <--- idiot |
| 17:52.29 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: but yeah, i'd like to see if mediabox interface works, could be interesting |
| 17:52.33 | zakkm | thats debian though ;p |
| 17:52.50 | zakkm | does moblin work on nokia? |
| 17:53.09 | Stskeeps | if you want to beat your head against the wall, it probably does |
| 17:53.14 | Stskeeps | ubuntu by itself runs so |
| 17:53.18 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: mediabox is designed for 800x480 display, when screen rotated 90 half of it is out of the screen |
| 17:53.20 | zakkm | huge price to pay |
| 17:53.33 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: your screen is rotated? :P |
| 17:53.40 | Meiz_n810 | not right now |
| 17:53.45 | Stskeeps | okay.. |
| 17:53.54 | Stskeeps | so what was the relevance? :P |
| 17:53.57 | Meiz_n810 | but i have tried mediabox rotated |
| 17:54.00 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:54.47 | Meiz_n810 | i was thinking about x86 with 1200x800 (whatever) running mediabox :P |
| 17:54.59 | Stskeeps | zakkm: i'm not personally pursuing pure ubuntu on the tablets, as it'll run into same issues as deblet. it's trivial to take the mer imager and make a ubuntu booting from that though. |
| 17:55.31 | Meiz_n810 | zakkm: you CAN use moblin software, just install ubuntu |
| 17:55.36 | zakkm | lol |
| 17:55.37 | zakkm | ew no |
| 17:55.39 | zakkm | im a mac user |
| 17:55.55 | zakkm | my linux days are over, as far as desktops are concerned |
| 17:55.57 | Meiz_n810 | i mean install ubuntu to your n8x0 |
| 17:56.11 | zakkm | oo |
| 17:56.17 | zakkm | hate ubuntu |
| 17:56.21 | zakkm | to me it was either gentoo or arch |
| 17:56.30 | zakkm | never did like ubuntu or debian for that matter |
| 17:56.36 | Meiz_n810 | It's the only way to use moblin for now :P |
| 17:56.51 | zakkm | i wanna use my n800 more like idk |
| 17:57.03 | zakkm | maemo is too slow for what i want it for i guess |
| 17:57.07 | zakkm | so i thought alternatives.. maybe |
| 17:57.22 | zakkm | i love maemo, i just wish it was faster lol |
| 17:57.54 | Stskeeps | did you ever manage to get deblet going? :P |
| 17:57.58 | zakkm | and please no, use links not microb.. :P |
| 17:58.04 | x29a | yay, gentoo |
| 17:58.07 | zakkm | no, i chose gtk remember |
| 17:58.09 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:58.11 | zakkm | and i couldnt type, for a user so it failed |
| 17:58.17 | zakkm | i decided not to do it again |
| 17:58.18 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is h-i-m working ? |
| 17:58.22 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: not yet |
| 17:58.27 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: well. ok, i didn't test |
| 17:58.35 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: does Midori install? |
| 17:58.42 | zakkm | ;o |
| 17:58.44 | Stskeeps | (im not even sure its built yet) |
| 17:58.46 | zakkm | midori on nokia? |
| 17:58.52 | Stskeeps | yeah, i had midori in deblet |
| 17:58.55 | Stskeeps | it was fucking speedy |
| 17:58.58 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: midori is in deblet repo? |
| 17:59.10 | Meiz_n810 | i have used it in ubuntu |
| 17:59.11 | zakkm | used on gentoo, desktop |
| 17:59.13 | Stskeeps | no, maybe it is in ubuntu repo |
| 17:59.16 | zakkm | is it good on nokia? vs microb? |
| 17:59.19 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:59.28 | zakkm | ;o |
| 17:59.30 | Stskeeps | microb could go home and shoot itself, so fast it was |
| 17:59.31 | zakkm | why dont they switch then |
| 17:59.42 | Stskeeps | more plugins for microb, dunno |
| 17:59.48 | zakkm | what plugins lol |
| 17:59.57 | zakkm | adblock? |
| 17:59.59 | zakkm | spellchecker? |
| 18:00.07 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i have used midori in jaunty, but it is not available anymore if it never was... |
| 18:00.23 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:00.42 | Stskeeps | i guess we'll have Tear as browser possibly |
| 18:00.47 | Stskeeps | uses webkit too |
| 18:01.07 | Meiz_n810 | teasr sucks |
| 18:01.13 | Meiz_n810 | on maemo |
| 18:01.18 | Stskeeps | mm how come? |
| 18:01.38 | Meiz_n810 | it is worse than IE7 |
| 18:01.51 | Stskeeps | .. not a reason, why? |
| 18:01.55 | Meiz_n810 | itT looks like a bunch of crap |
| 18:02.12 | Stskeeps | it always does that |
| 18:02.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:02.21 | Meiz_n810 | well it is usable somehow |
| 18:02.28 | Meiz_n810 | i'll test h-i-m in a minute |
| 18:02.54 | Stskeeps | you might need some stuff i told qole on a post somewhere though |
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| 18:04.16 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Midori is available in deblet repo :P |
| 18:05.22 | Meiz_n810 | is installing it |
| 18:06.58 | zakkm | should be in maemo :D |
| 18:07.00 | Stskeeps | lets see if it runs :P |
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| 18:07.21 | Meiz_n810 | it runs |
| 18:07.24 | Stskeeps | awoo |
| 18:07.27 | Meiz_n810 | i have tried |
| 18:07.38 | Stskeeps | scrshot :P |
| 18:07.51 | Meiz_n810 | wait |
| 18:08.00 | Meiz_n810 | *installng* |
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| 18:08.11 | Stskeeps | oh, i thought you meant it ran on mer :P |
| 18:08.31 | Meiz_n810 | i'll try it in a minute |
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| 18:11.35 | Meiz_n810 | boots to Mer |
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| 18:17.53 | lardman|away | ~curse 100 fold the person who pretty much blocked my garage |
| 18:17.54 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, 100 fold the person who pretty much blocked my garage ! |
| 18:18.10 | lardman|away | hmm, that hasn't made me feel much better |
| 18:18.23 | RST38h | lardman: that is when you really need a Huge Deadly Laser |
| 18:18.27 | qwerty12 | ~burn 100 fold the person who pretty much blocked lardman's garage |
| 18:18.28 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over 100 fold the person who pretty much blocked lardman's garage, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:18.32 | lardman | nice :) |
| 18:18.34 | qwerty12 | lardman, any better :) |
| 18:18.38 | lardman | now we're talking :) |
| 18:18.45 | qwerty12 | hehe :D |
| 18:18.48 | lardman | thanks |
| 18:18.57 | lardman | RST38h: yes laser would help the burning :) |
| 18:21.17 | RST38h | Gentlemen (and an ocassional lady in disguise), fMSX 3.5.4 is in Extras for your consumption now. |
| 18:30.12 | t_s_o | someones being productive |
| 18:30.44 | disco_stu | ~kde |
| 18:30.45 | infobot | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. We don't know when that will be, despite the dot article. It will most likely be in 2007 or 2008, but it could be later. |
| 18:31.26 | t_s_o | oO |
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| 18:42.44 | gnuton | what´s the status of the GBA emulator in maemo? |
| 18:43.50 | qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, RST38h 's one, VGBA, is very good |
| 18:44.39 | gnuton | qwerty12_N800: Ok. I'll try to install it. |
| 18:45.12 | RST38h | gnuton: it works. |
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| 18:48.46 | gnuton | RST38h: okay.. |
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| 18:50.41 | Meiz_n810 | SCRSHOTS!!!! |
| 18:50.43 | Meiz_n810 | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer# |
| 18:51.12 | Meiz_n810 | Midori works! |
| 18:51.41 | disco_stu | someone knows that if clonning os to sd makes rotation stop working ? |
| 18:52.00 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: woo :) |
| 18:52.16 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: bt and nm-applet still not work |
| 18:52.22 | Stskeeps | yeah, it takes a bit of bashing |
| 18:52.31 | Meiz_n810 | But it is nice anyway |
| 18:52.37 | Stskeeps | good great though, we're moving along :) |
| 18:52.45 | Stskeeps | what wallpaper is it on the last one? |
| 18:52.52 | solca | hi! |
| 18:52.57 | Stskeeps | lo solca |
| 18:53.07 | qwerty12_N800 | hey solca |
| 18:53.13 | Meiz_n810 | when nm-applet work, i will chat from Mer |
| 18:53.21 | Meiz_n810 | solca: hi! |
| 18:53.30 | solca | im getting off bed and its 12:53 here lol ;) |
| 18:53.37 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 18:53.49 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: impressive work |
| 18:54.02 | Meiz_n810 | solca: Stskeeps can tell you why wlan and bt don't work in android |
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| 18:54.09 | Stskeeps | solca: remembered the firmware files? |
| 18:54.20 | solca | it works for me |
| 18:54.26 | Meiz_n810 | works? |
| 18:54.33 | Meiz_n810 | it works now!??? |
| 18:54.38 | solca | since the beginning |
| 18:54.41 | Stskeeps | solca: but the tar.gz people have has the 3826.arm files or? :P |
| 18:54.48 | Stskeeps | that the stlc45xx driver loads :P |
| 18:54.49 | solca | I dont know why it doesnt work for you though |
| 18:55.13 | solca | Stskeeps: no that are in the /nit/initfs/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 18:55.18 | Meiz_n810 | solca: netcfg wlan0 up says no such file or directory |
| 18:55.20 | solca | hmm |
| 18:55.25 | solca | that tells me something |
| 18:55.31 | Meiz_n810 | what am i missing |
| 18:55.32 | Stskeeps | solca: well then stlc45xx needs somewhere to load from from .. |
| 18:55.40 | Stskeeps | .. probably /lib/firmware or something |
| 18:55.48 | Stskeeps | a symlink to the firmware files in initfs |
| 18:55.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:55.59 | solca | Meiz_n810: can you link that dir to /system/etc/firmware in nitdroid? |
| 18:56.04 | solca | Stskeeps: exactly |
| 18:56.08 | solca | that could be the problem |
| 18:56.11 | solca | for Meiz_n810 |
| 18:56.15 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 18:56.27 | solca | as I have a "devel" userspace that I think takes care of that |
| 18:56.31 | Stskeeps | kernel grabs firmware from there? strange :P |
| 18:56.49 | solca | Stskeeps: kernel not, but androids "hotplug" replacement |
| 18:56.55 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:57.04 | Meiz_n810 | solca: gimme that "devel" userspace! =P |
| 18:57.49 | Meiz_n810 | ok, so how can i make the wlan work? |
| 18:57.52 | solca | Meiz_n810: its nearly 200MB as it packs nitdroid plus my openwrt experiments |
| 18:58.08 | disco_stu | ~deblet |
| 18:58.09 | infobot | [deblet] http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 18:58.20 | solca | Meiz_n810: netcfg wlan0 up |
| 18:58.34 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: copy 3826.arm from /mnt/initfs onto /system/etc/firmware i think |
| 18:58.44 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.44 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 18:58.48 | solca | Stskeeps: thx for pointing about the firmware files, didnt think about |
| 18:59.25 | solca | Stskeeps: Meiz_n810: I think a symlink is better than copy |
| 18:59.51 | solca | ln -s /nit/initfs/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware /system/etc/firmware |
| 18:59.54 | Meiz_n810 | symlink must be created every boot? |
| 19:00.06 | solca | Meiz_n810: just the first time |
| 19:00.06 | Meiz_n810 | i'll try copying first |
| 19:00.11 | Meiz_n810 | ah |
| 19:00.17 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 19:00.21 | Stskeeps | solca: /* you mean |
| 19:00.21 | solca | Meiz_n810: I'll modify the userspace to take care about that |
| 19:00.33 | Meiz_n810 | great |
| 19:00.46 | solca | Stskeeps: nope |
| 19:01.09 | Stskeeps | no such folder as /system/etc/firmware or? |
| 19:01.29 | Meiz_n810 | solca: have you compiled new kekrnels :P |
| 19:01.31 | Meiz_n810 | ? |
| 19:01.35 | Meiz_n810 | *kernels |
| 19:02.01 | solca | Stskeeps: /system/etc/firmware must be a folder or a symlink to a folder |
| 19:02.20 | solca | Meiz_n810: yes I have a new ones with 2.6.18-rc7-omap |
| 19:02.42 | Meiz_n810 | 2.6.28 you mean? |
| 19:02.46 | solca | Meiz_n810: but are not completely finished as some patches dont aplly cleanly |
| 19:02.49 | Meiz_n810 | can you upload? |
| 19:02.52 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 19:02.58 | solca | Meiz_n810: yes 2.6.28 sorry |
| 19:03.09 | Meiz_n810 | what about nitchooser? |
| 19:03.25 | solca | Meiz_n810: nitchooser will rock!! |
| 19:03.30 | solca | hopefully |
| 19:03.31 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 19:03.47 | solca | Meiz_n810: do you copy or make the symlink? |
| 19:04.11 | Meiz_n810 | dunno |
| 19:04.20 | Meiz_n810 | i try first symlink |
| 19:04.57 | solca | Stskeeps: latest stlc45xx.ko doesnt need stlc45xx-cal tool anymore |
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| 19:05.02 | Stskeeps | solca: yeah, i saw |
| 19:05.10 | Stskeeps | firmware is a different thing though |
| 19:05.41 | solca | Stskeeps: but for the selector is good news as firmware are already in the initfs |
| 19:05.46 | Meiz_n810 | boots to android... |
| 19:05.58 | solca | Stskeeps: so the selector can use wifi :) |
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| 19:06.33 | Stskeeps | solca: yeah |
| 19:06.57 | solca | Stskeeps: I was thinking about the selector downloads some instructions from known distro sites |
| 19:07.06 | solca | and install appropriately |
| 19:07.10 | solca | or upgrade |
| 19:07.13 | Stskeeps | hehe, yeah, but then we need a supplicant and everything |
| 19:07.20 | Stskeeps | it's better with a .item system i guess |
| 19:07.31 | Stskeeps | what you're searching for is a combination of selector and fanoush bootmenu probably |
| 19:07.37 | Meizirkki | i get stuck on penguin screen :( |
| 19:07.44 | Meizirkki | the ext sd! |
| 19:07.48 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 19:08.08 | solca | Meiz_n810: :P |
| 19:08.16 | Meizirkki | i always forget |
| 19:08.31 | solca | Meizirkki: something is fishy about your sd I presume |
| 19:08.41 | Meizirkki | i think so |
| 19:08.42 | solca | Meizirkki: or my kernel sucks |
| 19:08.58 | Meizirkki | my sd is just shitty |
| 19:09.10 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: ping ? |
| 19:10.11 | Meizirkki | solca: symlink did not work :( |
| 19:10.16 | Meizirkki | i'll copy |
| 19:10.46 | solca | Meizirkki: wait! |
| 19:10.57 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 19:10.58 | solca | Meizirkki: can you get a shell? |
| 19:11.02 | Meizirkki | yes |
| 19:11.09 | solca | netcfg |
| 19:11.14 | Meizirkki | too late |
| 19:11.26 | Meizirkki | i'll reboot to android |
| 19:11.29 | Meizirkki | sec |
| 19:12.31 | solca | Meizirkki: in other news I finally fixed the keymaps |
| 19:12.46 | Meizirkki | great |
| 19:13.02 | solca | even the volume keys works |
| 19:13.05 | Meizirkki | are you gonna upload new rootfs soon? |
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| 19:13.33 | solca | Meizirkki: yes, but I want to fix the wifi thing with you and modify the rootfs |
| 19:13.35 | Meizirkki | netcfg wlan0 up worked! |
| 19:13.53 | solca | Meizirkki: ok, now dmesg and report the last lines |
| 19:13.53 | jagernot | hello mei |
| 19:14.01 | Meizirkki | hi! |
| 19:14.27 | jagernot | would u like to test boxar new version again? |
| 19:14.33 | solca | Stskeeps was right, it was not loading the firmware files |
| 19:14.39 | Meizirkki | solca: it looks like netcfg wlan0 up rebooted my tablet |
| 19:15.03 | solca | Meizirkki: unlikely, maybe is the other bug in action |
| 19:15.13 | jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar/ - a musical instrument for maemo |
| 19:15.29 | Meizirkki | jagernot: i am trying android now, but i will download latest boxar soon :) |
| 19:16.01 | jagernot | mei: ah you are so fickle :) |
| 19:16.52 | Stskeeps | jagernot: hehe, playing with it now |
| 19:16.55 | jagernot | if anybody else can try boxar that will be nice. |
| 19:17.13 | Stskeeps | jagernot: you should try lcuk's algorithm for semi-multitouch |
| 19:17.30 | Meizirkki | solca: http://pastebin.com/m12d6633d |
| 19:17.36 | Meizirkki | firmware loaded |
| 19:17.58 | jagernot | actually its can already do multi touch (ok sort of) with gtk/gdk |
| 19:18.13 | solca | Meizirkki: yes I see, now fire the wifi from settings |
| 19:18.23 | solca | but run logcat in the shell |
| 19:18.25 | Meizirkki | WOHOO! |
| 19:18.30 | Meizirkki | seems to work |
| 19:18.36 | Stskeeps | jagernot: think if my gf was home i would drive her nuts currently with this.. |
| 19:18.59 | jagernot | Sts: is that a good or a bad thing?! |
| 19:19.07 | Stskeeps | good for me, bad for her :> |
| 19:19.34 | Stskeeps | jagernot: you should get some experimental band to play with this.. |
| 19:19.46 | jagernot | why is it bad for her u think? she wont like the sound? |
| 19:20.02 | Stskeeps | hehe, yeah, i'm slightly differently audio-stimulated than she is :) |
| 19:20.06 | Stskeeps | it's quite interesting though |
| 19:20.10 | jagernot | yeah im already playing with what we call the 'cane toad orchestra' |
| 19:20.20 | Meizirkki | solca: i got permission denied when i netcfg wlan0 up |
| 19:20.36 | jagernot | no record deal yet ;) |
| 19:20.44 | solca | Meizirkki: what logcat say |
| 19:20.48 | Meizirkki | it can be done only once per reboot |
| 19:20.53 | Meizirkki | wait a bit |
| 19:21.17 | Stskeeps | jagernot: something about catching pieces of it and repeating could be interesting |
| 19:21.59 | jagernot | you mean play something and loop? |
| 19:22.03 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:22.28 | jagernot | ok havent added a recording feature yet |
| 19:22.33 | jagernot | but its not hard to do |
| 19:22.41 | Stskeeps | then again multiple tablets could do the trick.. it is an instrument afteral |
| 19:22.42 | Stskeeps | l |
| 19:23.03 | jagernot | have you tried throbbing the notes? |
| 19:23.05 | Meizirkki | solca: logcat is full of Nos uch file or directory |
| 19:23.11 | Stskeeps | yeah, playing with that right now |
| 19:23.31 | solca | Meizirkki: what does it said before "no such file..." |
| 19:23.34 | solca | ? |
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| 19:23.44 | jagernot | sounds better with good headphones or good loudspeakers as the tablet speakers are not good for bass. |
| 19:23.59 | jagernot | throbbing sounds better with good headphones. |
| 19:24.02 | Stskeeps | jagernot: must admit, quite good and creative use of tablet i've seen so far |
| 19:24.09 | Meizirkki | solca: Received wifi state changed from Unknown to Enabling |
| 19:24.16 | gnuton | hey RST38h it works fine! :D |
| 19:24.26 | Meizirkki | now it is enabled |
| 19:24.33 | solca | Meizirkki: can you pastebin the last part? |
| 19:24.41 | gnuton | RST38h: but unfortunately I've very slow framerate :( |
| 19:24.43 | Stskeeps | gnuton: if you haven't tried boxar (if you like experimental stuff like liqbase, you should definately try this one) |
| 19:24.46 | solca | Meizirkki: does it works now? |
| 19:24.50 | Meizirkki | mo |
| 19:24.52 | Meizirkki | no |
| 19:24.59 | jagernot | Sts: increase the decay time and throb for interesting fx |
| 19:24.59 | Meizirkki | still no such file or directiory |
| 19:25.14 | gnuton | Stskeeps: I never tried it! |
| 19:25.18 | jagernot | Sts: and/or lower the throbbing speed |
| 19:25.26 | Meizirkki | solca: and netcfg gives me permission denied |
| 19:25.34 | Meizirkki | solca: it rebooted |
| 19:25.37 | gnuton | I'll try... but Now I'm too happy to have the pokemon on my N810! :D |
| 19:25.53 | solca | Meizirkki: ok, so this time try this: |
| 19:25.56 | gnuton | So I know how spend my time in metro! :P |
| 19:26.10 | solca | get in with a shell, netcfg wlan0 up, logcat |
| 19:26.18 | solca | then enable wifi in the settings |
| 19:26.18 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 19:26.21 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 19:26.27 | Meizirkki | WTF? |
| 19:26.40 | Meizirkki | it's almost reboot loop here |
| 19:28.15 | solca | Meizirkki: battery is empty? |
| 19:28.25 | Meizirkki | no |
| 19:28.32 | gnuton | emulator freezed :( |
| 19:28.34 | Meizirkki | charger is in |
| 19:28.38 | solca | ok |
| 19:28.39 | Meizirkki | might be that |
| 19:29.18 | Stskeeps | jagernot: this so has to be tried with LSD involved.. |
| 19:29.22 | Stskeeps | (kidding) |
| 19:29.59 | jagernot | :D |
| 19:30.20 | jagernot | turn on the sway to get a 80s synth roving sound |
| 19:30.47 | Meizirkki | solca: wlan0 is up and settings says wireless is on, but it is still not working |
| 19:30.57 | ^Tux^ | operator error.. |
| 19:30.59 | solca | Meizirkki: logcat! |
| 19:30.59 | Meizirkki | logcat cries: no such file or directory |
| 19:31.17 | Meizirkki | and it rebooted |
| 19:31.26 | solca | Meizirkki: :( |
| 19:31.27 | Meizirkki | i have to go to slee now |
| 19:31.35 | Meizirkki | sleep |
| 19:31.38 | solca | Meizirkki: come on, is early!! |
| 19:31.48 | jagernot | Stskeeps: turn off throbbing, increase note decay to about 5 secs, turn on Sway and play slowly |
| 19:32.36 | jagernot | Stskeeps: you can also change any parameter while the sound is playing for realtime fx. |
| 19:32.36 | Stskeeps | jagernot: i'm on a n800 btw so , . aren't that easy to do :P |
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| 19:32.47 | jagernot | Sts: i think boxar works better on n800 than n810..i hate opening the keyboard out |
| 19:32.56 | jagernot | i have a n810 so.. :( |
| 19:33.21 | Stskeeps | got a youtube video of using boxar yet? |
| 19:33.36 | jagernot | not yet..maybe soon. |
| 19:33.51 | solca | Meizirkki: btw nice video! thx, now we need a NITdroid video with wifi working |
| 19:34.00 | qwerty12_N800 | jagernot, thought about hildonizing the menu? it would save you from having to toggle it |
| 19:34.02 | jagernot | is a youtube video useful? |
| 19:34.03 | Stskeeps | oh, there's one |
| 19:34.23 | Meizirkki | solca: can you upload your new rootfs and kernel? |
| 19:34.24 | jagernot | how do u hildonize it? |
| 19:35.00 | Stskeeps | jagernot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60fqnKS2ymU |
| 19:35.14 | Meizirkki | solca: it looks like i wont get it working with these :( |
| 19:35.26 | solca | Meizirkki: I'm exactly compiling a new rootfs, but upload last 10min (my connection sucks) |
| 19:35.59 | Meizirkki | solca: it will take at least 20 min here to download, my connection sucks too |
| 19:36.15 | solca | Meizirkki: ohh so minimum 30min |
| 19:36.16 | jagernot | jeez i didnt post this video :) |
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| 19:36.50 | solca | Meizirkki: I'll upload it and change its version number in the nitdroid web page |
| 19:36.56 | qwerty12_N800 | jagernot, i'm not the best on this subject (i only learnt how, kind of, recently) but : http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libhildon-2.0.4/HildonWindow.html#hildon-window-set-main-menu |
| 19:37.03 | Meiz_n810 | solca:ok |
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| 19:37.30 | solca | so you can check if there are new versions, btw I think we are close |
| 19:38.10 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 19:38.43 | solca | Meiz_n810: so you gonna wait or go to bed? |
| 19:38.51 | Meiz_n810 | both |
| 19:39.04 | Meiz_n810 | i can flash firmware on tablet... |
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| 19:40.12 | Meiz_n810 | solca: android seems to crash easier when usb-cable is plugged... |
| 19:41.35 | solca | Meiz_n810: really? will try to change some usb parameters in the kernel config, maybe that solves something |
| 19:41.46 | solca | Meiz_n810: and how about the fading crash |
| 19:41.57 | solca | I have not had any |
| 19:42.02 | solca | just reboots |
| 19:42.02 | Meiz_n810 | jagernot: can you give me the download link for boxar |
| 19:42.06 | Stskeeps | isn't it a lifeguard thing or something? |
| 19:42.29 | Meiz_n810 | solca: it faded then rebooted while i was messing with netcfg |
| 19:42.56 | solca | Stskeeps: I'm pretty sure I kickstart the proprietary stuff (nitboot) so watchdogs are happy |
| 19:43.07 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:43.17 | solca | Stskeeps: but I don't really know well what lifeguard means |
| 19:43.25 | Stskeeps | watchdog i guess |
| 19:43.51 | solca | Stskeeps: I dont think so as flasher have different flags for those |
| 19:44.43 | solca | Stskeeps: lifeguard had to do with dsme |
| 19:45.03 | solca | if dsme is not happy it triggers a reboot via init |
| 19:45.09 | Stskeeps | jagernot: think i better not play too much with this or i'll just go even more insane than i already am :P |
| 19:45.18 | solca | unless the no-lifeguard-reset flag is present |
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| 19:47.35 | jagernot | Meiz: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar/ |
| 19:48.15 | solca | Meiz_n810: I found another inconsistency with the rootfs and my devel rootfs: wpa_supplicant |
| 19:48.48 | solca | Meiz_n810: sorry for bugging you but can you boot to nitdroid and just run a command? |
| 19:50.10 | Meiz_n810 | no i can't |
| 19:50.43 | solca | Meiz_n810: ok |
| 19:50.47 | Meiz_n810 | i am 14, i can't say "i'll use my computer until it's 3.00 |
| 19:51.02 | Meiz_n810 | that's the problem :( |
| 19:51.14 | Stskeeps | and that's why you don't, and go there when your parents are asleep, and run up a 1200 euro phone bill |
| 19:51.22 | Stskeeps | on 64kbit isdn modem |
| 19:51.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:51.28 | Meiz_n810 | :PP |
| 19:51.41 | Stskeeps | hey, look where it brought me |
| 19:51.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:51.48 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
| 19:52.02 | Meiz_n810 | i should stop chatting in shower |
| 19:52.25 | solca | Stskeeps: ;P |
| 19:52.28 | Meiz_n810 | i can break my n810 |
| 19:52.39 | disco_stu | yes you do |
| 19:53.04 | Stskeeps | n900 better be waterproof. |
| 19:53.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ha :p. my parents were hating me for running up a £30 one on 33.6k :p |
| 19:53.29 | disco_stu | hopes n900 can be mind controlled |
| 19:53.51 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. it took ~6-7 years before i admitted it wasn't a linux malfuncion |
| 19:54.06 | disco_stu | Stskeeps: LOL ! |
| 19:54.27 | Stskeeps | (to my defense, i did have to pay it off in working with newspapers) |
| 19:54.39 | disco_stu | 30 isnt that much |
| 19:54.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe... i'd never have had been able to say that in the 1st place (avid windows user :/) :p |
| 19:55.09 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, yep, but to my parents... :p |
| 19:55.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i was dual booting into linux and it was magically connecting to the net even without me asking .. :P :P |
| 19:55.43 | disco_stu | qwerty12_N800: that was a lesson you'll never forget |
| 19:55.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lol :D |
| 19:56.27 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: iam living in the middle of forest, the nearest bus-stop is >10km away |
| 19:56.53 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: and your dad has a shotgun if you think of running from the bill :P :P |
| 19:57.01 | Meiz_n810 | i have fastest internet connection it is possible to get here |
| 19:57.14 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
| 19:57.16 | Meiz_n810 | haha:P |
| 19:57.35 | disco_stu | Meiz_n810: what do you have ? |
| 19:57.47 | disco_stu | 3g or something like that ? |
| 19:57.49 | Meiz_n810 | 512kb ADSL |
| 19:57.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, tell your local government that you will burn the trees if they don't make efforts to get better internet :p |
| 19:58.06 | Meiz_n810 | :PP |
| 19:58.19 | qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, ouch... i used to have 256.. 4 hours per psp iso :/ |
| 19:58.25 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Luckily he does not have :) |
| 19:58.59 | Stskeeps | was just happy that the huge phone bill caused the isp to give us flat rate as some of the first in the country |
| 19:59.12 | Stskeeps | and later adsl |
| 19:59.33 | solca | did something stupid: flash a fiasco image without the --flash-only=kernel parameter !!! |
| 19:59.45 | qwerty12_N800 | shit! |
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| 19:59.50 | disco_stu | qwerty12_N800: do you know how to customize bootorder in boot menu ? |
| 19:59.56 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, pong. |
| 19:59.57 | Stskeeps | solca: :( |
| 20:00.16 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, deblet's initfs? |
| 20:00.22 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: hi buddy |
| 20:00.29 | disco_stu | qwerty12_N800: no, os clonning |
| 20:00.41 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, better off extracting first :/ |
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| 20:01.31 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, oh, you just edit bootmenu.conf and move the items around and change the number in front e.g MENU_1_ID= etc |
| 20:01.45 | solca | damn I have some useful thing there plus all my customization work is lost :( wua wua |
| 20:02.12 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, if you've already flashed initfs, you can remount it readwrite and edit bootmenu.conf directly |
| 20:02.22 | qwerty12_N800 | in diablo |
| 20:02.38 | disco_stu | mmm |
| 20:02.41 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: saw meiz's new screenshots? |
| 20:02.43 | disco_stu | i clonned the os |
| 20:02.58 | disco_stu | havent done anything else |
| 20:03.22 | disco_stu | "mount initfs" ? |
| 20:03.45 | qwerty12_N800 | hrm, have you flashed fanoush's bootmenu? |
| 20:03.53 | disco_stu | yeah |
| 20:04.04 | disco_stu | it flashes with it when os clonning |
| 20:04.17 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no, way too much scrollback for me to care today. :P |
| 20:04.21 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, do you want to move the items around in the menu? |
| 20:04.27 | disco_stu | aha |
| 20:04.27 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe |
| 20:04.34 | disco_stu | yes |
| 20:04.52 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer |
| 20:05.28 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, as root, run : mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs |
| 20:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 20:06.12 | Stskeeps | we're moving ahead nicely :) |
| 20:06.48 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, then you can use vi (or whatever) /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf and change the MENU_X numbers etc and run mount -o remount,ro /mnt/initfs when done |
| 20:06.56 | RST38h | what is that fm? |
| 20:07.04 | disco_stu | qwerty12_N800: thanks man |
| 20:07.13 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: That MID launcher is kourou, but i have never been able to start it |
| 20:07.19 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:07.25 | Stskeeps | what's the question circle applet? |
| 20:07.36 | Stskeeps | question bulb |
| 20:07.41 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, pcmanfm |
| 20:08.43 | Stskeeps | someone should hildonize that |
| 20:08.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:08.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, go on :p |
| 20:09.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm busy enough fighting with the base system :P |
| 20:09.16 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 20:09.33 | Meiz_n810 | It doesn't look bad |
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| 20:15.21 | Meiz_n810 | is trying out the latest boxar |
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| 20:17.33 | Stskeeps | lo r2d2rogers |
| 20:17.39 | r2d2rogers | howdy Stskeeps |
| 20:17.41 | RST38h | qwerty: wanna! wanna! |
| 20:17.46 | r2d2rogers | I was hoping you were on |
| 20:17.49 | RST38h | qwerty: Please? A short recompile? |
| 20:18.14 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I findmyself with two 770s, are you at a place to need mer testing on the 770? |
| 20:18.30 | Stskeeps | yeah possibly, we might have a small bunch of people experimenting with it |
| 20:18.52 | Stskeeps | i plan to make 770 images atleast, and made space for this in imager and such already |
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| 20:18.58 | r2d2rogers | good deal |
| 20:19.02 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, i did one, about a year ago after some modifying :/ but I don't have the deb anymore and biggest problem was that I didn't know how to do a right click |
| 20:19.04 | r2d2rogers | I like the screenshots I have seen |
| 20:19.22 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i'm even surprised that we're capable of things like meiz have been showing at this stage :P |
| 20:19.27 | r2d2rogers | do you have any channels dedicated to the mer project on IRC? |
| 20:19.32 | r2d2rogers | wow |
| 20:19.33 | Stskeeps | this place really |
| 20:19.36 | r2d2rogers | cool |
| 20:19.46 | Stskeeps | and jaiku for updates, but i guess you're seeing those |
| 20:19.47 | r2d2rogers | I followed the channel on jaiku |
| 20:19.50 | r2d2rogers | yup |
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| 20:20.07 | r2d2rogers | about the only thing I have going in Jaiku any more. |
| 20:20.30 | Stskeeps | is an experiment really.. since there are people from different timezones, we need to keep eachother updated |
| 20:20.45 | Stskeeps | and microblogging is faster than reading through/writing big portitions of mails |
| 20:20.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:20.58 | r2d2rogers | makes sense to me... it's just another window in IRSSI for me <G> |
| 20:21.01 | r2d2rogers | good point |
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| 20:21.56 | r2d2rogers | is digging around the m-r launchpad page |
| 20:22.06 | Stskeeps | yeah, not much, except in code |
| 20:22.13 | Stskeeps | ~mer |
| 20:22.14 | infobot | methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) |
| 20:22.21 | Stskeeps | is the primary sources of info currently |
| 20:22.48 | Stskeeps | lemme just make a tar.gz for the shell script imager |
| 20:22.58 | r2d2rogers | \o/ |
| 20:23.00 | Stskeeps | you can probably build a 770 imager for that |
| 20:23.13 | r2d2rogers | awesome |
| 20:23.38 | r2d2rogers | I need to setup the dev environment again... |
| 20:23.44 | r2d2rogers | scratchbox... |
| 20:24.09 | Stskeeps | hehe, we don't use sb right now :P we need someone to get sb2 slapped into submission on top of a rootstrap |
| 20:24.24 | Stskeeps | we build natively, which obviously takes time. but building for i386 too helps on finding errors early |
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| 20:24.57 | r2d2rogers | well, with two 770's that won't hurt as bad as if I couldn't use one while compiling <G> |
| 20:26.34 | Meiz_n810 | wants to see the nm-applet working |
| 20:28.02 | r2d2rogers | I figure I'm in the minority in wanting a hardcase on the next tablet? |
| 20:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody have any experience with multi-lingual wikis or forums? |
| 20:30.47 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-imager-20081207-2126.tar.gz , look at targets/mer-n800-onlyfs and make a targets/mer-770-onlyfs .. you need "mer-rescue-menu nit-bootmenu-compat kernel-modules-770" included instead of the n800 ones |
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| 20:31.16 | Stskeeps | to install, sh imager targets/mer-770-onlyfs /your/mounted/fs |
| 20:31.30 | Stskeeps | you need to have swap enabled definately when installing. |
| 20:31.48 | Stskeeps | and the usual binutils, debootstrap, md5sum as on http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/wiki/770Port |
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| 20:31.59 | Stskeeps | it will do the debootstrapping itself |
| 20:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | is a bit worried about the commitment level from people. |
| 20:32.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm? |
| 20:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, subforums and wikis just becoming dropboxes for spam. |
| 20:33.02 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:33.03 | pupnik_ | time is scarce, GeneralAntilles |
| 20:33.16 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: go for International forum maybe |
| 20:33.17 | r2d2rogers | got the instructions, will have to get the other 770 booting from card right? |
| 20:33.17 | Stskeeps | it often works |
| 20:33.25 | r2d2rogers | or is this to work in flash? |
| 20:33.27 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, bootmenu as listed |
| 20:33.34 | r2d2rogers | good deal |
| 20:33.41 | Stskeeps | it does not install to flash (yet) on any of them, and i doubt it will on 770 (mer, that is, bootmenu will) |
| 20:33.54 | r2d2rogers | ::nods:: |
| 20:34.21 | GeneralAntilles | Even if you get enough people dedicated to keeping it clean and up to date initially, they surely wont last forever. |
| 20:34.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: wiki is a different thing.. i've had a wiki switch me to danish and completely stop working |
| 20:34.50 | GeneralAntilles | and, especially in the case of the wiki, since it's separate from the English offering, the English admins wont really be paying attention to it. |
| 20:34.53 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 20:35.15 | GeneralAntilles | We just don't have the critical mass that Wikipedia has. |
| 20:35.28 | Stskeeps | danish wikipedia isn't that good either :P |
| 20:35.34 | r2d2rogers | The best I've seen of a multilingual community effort lately was the gitisbetterthanx.com site |
| 20:35.35 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and for academic interest, bzr branch is lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager |
| 20:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't have any direct experience with multilingual communities |
| 20:36.58 | Stskeeps | does forum.nokia.com do any of it? |
| 20:37.03 | Stskeeps | or whatever it's called |
| 20:37.07 | Myrtti | can I translate something? |
| 20:37.12 | Myrtti | I wants to translate something |
| 20:37.22 | Myrtti | gimme something to translate kthxplzbai |
| 20:37.37 | Myrtti | no? |
| 20:37.39 | Myrtti | oh. |
| 20:37.42 | Stskeeps | Myrtti has experience in multilingual communities? :P |
| 20:38.37 | Myrtti | well I do translate software and am active in the Finnish Ubuntu community as well as in the international one... |
| 20:38.51 | Myrtti | *shrug* |
| 20:39.19 | Stskeeps | how does ubuntu deal with localized documentation/wiki and forums then? |
| 20:40.08 | Stskeeps | i guess it compares to maemo decently |
| 20:40.21 | Myrtti | well, Ubuntu has it's LoCo Council |
| 20:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=149 |
| 20:40.42 | Myrtti | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/LoCoCouncil |
| 20:40.47 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: should that tar.gz have already had the 770 target file in it? |
| 20:40.56 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: nop, you get the honor of making it yourself |
| 20:41.10 | Myrtti | localisation of documentation and wiki is done in teams |
| 20:41.10 | r2d2rogers | is a LoCo Team member too, but for a mostly inactive team |
| 20:41.11 | Stskeeps | just cp the old one and replace the packages_include |
| 20:41.15 | r2d2rogers | ahha |
| 20:41.18 | r2d2rogers | thanks ,G> |
| 20:41.34 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: could be a way, yeah |
| 20:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | Non-English subforums shouldn't be syndicated to the feeds |
| 20:41.58 | Myrtti | I'm part of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-fi/+members |
| 20:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | and need to have a decent moderator presence. |
| 20:42.35 | Myrtti | I see I'm procrastinating filing in hours |
| 20:42.36 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: perhaps if a population wants to be represented they should mainfest themselves in a group and become moderators in that area, and then the forums open based on their translations |
| 20:42.36 | Myrtti | ... |
| 20:43.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: like ze germans are doing atm |
| 20:43.53 | mavhc | I want a fake german translation |
| 20:44.04 | GeneralAntilles | Selecting moderators is difficult if the people coming in don't typically participate in the English forums. |
| 20:44.23 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 20:45.11 | Meiz_n810 | apt-get update: |
| 20:45.12 | Meiz_n810 | Fetched 5094kB in 2h1min25s (699B/s) |
| 20:45.26 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: mer or maemo? |
| 20:45.27 | Meiz_n810 | i changed my timezone in the middle of it |
| 20:45.30 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:45.32 | Meiz_n810 | Mer |
| 20:45.43 | Stskeeps | it's not still using trac.tspre.org i hope |
| 20:45.57 | Meiz_n810 | ? |
| 20:46.02 | Stskeeps | as in, repositiroy |
| 20:46.09 | GeneralAntilles | The moderator's in a non-English forum have to uphold the values of the rest of the forum. |
| 20:46.19 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: depends on your imager |
| 20:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | As it reflects on the whole of the community |
| 20:46.26 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: true, should be the right one then |
| 20:46.33 | Meiz_n810 | and it is |
| 20:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's hard to independently verify that that's what they're doing. |
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| 20:50.20 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: then again, there's values on iTT? :P |
| 20:50.36 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, humor aside, certainly. |
| 20:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | Censorship is avoided, free discourse is encouraged, personal attacks are discouraged |
| 20:51.28 | r2d2rogers | Time to go out an dabout with the family progress as it happens... |
| 20:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'd worry about a non-English subforum either being too heavy-handed in meeting out punishment, and pruning topics or not active enough, letting the place run rampant. |
| 20:52.55 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: only real way to go with it is have an initial group that volunteers, of the people who are active on both international and national.. and then handle when complaints come in |
| 20:53.07 | Stskeeps | and agreeing to a social contract or whatever |
| 20:54.53 | Stskeeps | .. dunno |
| 20:57.41 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: oh, - rescue menu is in place here too, so hold down the home key to activate rescue menu, and select console mode / usb |
| 20:57.58 | Stskeeps | i have no idea if the omapfb driver works properly on 770 |
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| 21:00.10 | m-vo | Stskeeps, I finally squeezed out my ideas for how the Maemo SDK should be set up. Maybe there is something for Mer in it as well? |
| 21:00.16 | m-vo | Here: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/the-cardinal-sin-of-scratchbox-a-backhanded-stab-at-the-maemo-sdk-and-the-promise-of-a-pot-of-gold/ |
| 21:00.27 | Stskeeps | i'll read up :) |
| 21:00.54 | m-vo | It's looong. :/ |
| 21:01.27 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, hi, is the diablo hildon-application-manager branch now in git too? |
| 21:01.32 | Stskeeps | i'm taking a course on social and collaborative computing these days. those papers are massive. |
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| 21:01.54 | m-vo | I'm slowly changing my opinion about Deblet and Mer, etc... maybe this is the only way to show Nokia what Maemo should be. |
| 21:02.10 | m-vo | qwerty12_N800: yes. |
| 21:02.11 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: hometools depends on python2.5-osso, can i change it to someting that replaces it? |
| 21:02.15 | m-vo | On gitorious. |
| 21:02.41 | qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, thanks, i couldn't tell it was the diablo branch.. |
| 21:02.50 | m-vo | Stskeeps: I bet they compress really well. :-) |
| 21:03.10 | Stskeeps | m-vo: Mer is the way ahead currently, deblet as a project is dead for now.. it's not possible to get sane low power usage out of a desktop system on a mobile device |
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| 21:03.29 | Stskeeps | and what i'm reading so far in your blog i agree with, had some similar thoughts |
| 21:03.46 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hmm. i'll look into that |
| 21:04.36 | Stskeeps | m-vo: i agree fully - sb2 should be as minimal as possible. it should only provide handy wrappers for some key interpreters/compilers, and besides that, get out of the way.. |
| 21:05.06 | Stskeeps | and just try to accelerating the rootstrap with native components |
| 21:05.25 | m-vo | Stskeeps: Yeah, if you get to the end, it is all pretty simple. I was afraid the cross compiler needs some major magic, but some -I and -L options seems to be enough. |
| 21:05.55 | m-vo | sb2 could be much simpler out of the box still. |
| 21:06.04 | m-vo | And a lot less specific. |
| 21:06.10 | Stskeeps | yeah, i think i'll play a bit with that. sb2 seems like a good idea but it does interfere a bit too much in some key areas |
| 21:06.33 | Stskeeps | it should basically be possible to take whatever rootstrap, slap a acceleration mapping on top, and compile away inside the rootstrap :P |
| 21:07.08 | Stskeeps | in deblet we had good experience with simply distccing to a cross compiler |
| 21:07.14 | Stskeeps | it didn't get in the way and did what it should |
| 21:07.21 | m-vo | There is also the intersting idea of qemu somehow producing the native binaries on the fly... |
| 21:07.34 | m-vo | Qemu as an emulator is probably not very high-tech. |
| 21:09.02 | m-vo | Sb2 should basically be a chroot-plus-bind-mounts-without-the-need-to-be-root. |
| 21:09.56 | m-vo | Or we could just all switch to GNU/Hurd! :-) |
| 21:09.57 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 21:11.04 | Stskeeps | i saw a qemu-arm chroot patch, could have been interesting, if it was possible to intermix native and foreign binaries |
| 21:11.20 | Stskeeps | didn't work sanely though |
| 21:11.57 | Stskeeps | i mean, i'm perfectly happy having a ssh server i can ssh into on my server that's actually running inside a mix native/foreign chroot :P |
| 21:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | m-vo, is there any chance of the categories updates making it into the next SSU? ;) |
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| 21:12.59 | m-vo | GeneralAntilles: the "next SSU" is a bit of a fuzzy concept... |
| 21:13.25 | GeneralAntilles | is a bit worried that Nokia's already totally done with Diablo. |
| 21:13.48 | GeneralAntilles | We're gonna end up with all this work going out the airlock until we get to Fremantle. <_< |
| 21:14.06 | Meiz_n810 | boots to Mer |
| 21:14.20 | Stskeeps | hehe, what are you trying out this time, Meiz_n810? |
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| 21:14.58 | m-vo | GeneralAntilles: that is unfortunately a possibility that I don't want to talk about... :-/ |
| 21:15.30 | m-vo | I can't say anything at all about releases, guys, sorry. |
| 21:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | m-vo, yeah, I understand. |
| 21:15.56 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if it comes down to it we'll just have to get Stskeeps working seriously on the community edition. :P |
| 21:16.09 | Stskeeps | heh, the only releases that matter to me are tags on stage.maemo.org svn ;) |
| 21:16.28 | m-vo | I don't like that, and we are really suffering because of not having public beta releases, but those are the rules... |
| 21:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Nokia pulls its head out of its own ass before it's too late. |
| 21:18.10 | m-vo | But, the time from cutting a release of the OS to when it actually hits the servers is pretty long. So, if I would release the catpo changes now, it would not surprise me when there is a SSU coming out after that that doesn't include the catpo changes. |
| 21:18.53 | m-vo | Nokia likes big launch events. |
| 21:19.18 | m-vo | There was a time when even code names like Diablo were secret... meh. |
| 21:20.14 | mavhc | is there a long delay because there's lots of testing? or is the release server just a long way to walk to? |
| 21:20.38 | Stskeeps | probably a whole production line to get through |
| 21:20.41 | m-vo | mavhc: haha :-) No, there is a lot of testing and certification. |
| 21:21.25 | mavhc | what's certification in this context? |
| 21:21.55 | m-vo | So that we can put all the USB and Bluetooth etc logos on the box. |
| 21:22.19 | mavhc | ah, damn those boxes |
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| 21:22.54 | m-vo | mentions in passing that all the good stuff like TCP/IP and the whole web 2.0 stack doesn't need any certification. |
| 21:24.30 | Veggen | m-vo: That doesn't mean that it could actually be an improvement if it did...? ;P |
| 21:24.44 | Veggen | eh, couldn't. |
| 21:25.29 | m-vo | Hmm, you mean things like making passing the acid test mandatory before you can call your program "web browser"? |
| 21:25.37 | Veggen | something like that? ;) |
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| 21:26.06 | mavhc | I tried to acid test my n810, now it doesn't work and there's a funny smell |
| 21:26.56 | m-vo | mavhc: not this acid test http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugacid.html |
| 21:27.15 | mavhc | I was just dipping it in acid |
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| 21:27.22 | Stskeeps | ah, if a tablet is usable while under the influence of acid |
| 21:27.26 | Stskeeps | always a good certification |
| 21:27.46 | mavhc | bug 14395: UI too scary when high |
| 21:28.14 | disco_stu | lol |
| 21:28.31 | mavhc | all too often the needs of hippies, or "stoned americans" as we prefer to be called, are not considered |
| 21:28.56 | Stskeeps | i suspect boxar would be very useful in an acid test. those are some trippy tunes possible with it. |
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| 21:29.36 | mavhc | anyway, considering how many tablets the updates screw up, less testing seems bad |
| 21:30.35 | Stskeeps | mavhc: well, mostly it happens cos of too much tinkering.. and it is impossible to avoid stuff caused by tinkering :) |
| 21:30.54 | m-vo | mavhc: we need more 'real' testing, not more of the artifical testing we do. |
| 21:30.59 | disco_stu | tinkering? |
| 21:31.14 | m-vo | Updates are pretty perfect when installed on top of unused devices. |
| 21:31.34 | mavhc | unused devices don't sell, call marketting |
| 21:32.10 | m-vo | :-) Err, I mean, updating a freshly flashed device with SSU works hundred percent, every time. |
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| 21:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | Well, fix osv and we're basically set update wise. :\ |
| 21:33.59 | GeneralAntilles | Running out of space when it tries (and fails) to install 20MB of PDFs was the primary cause of update failures last time around |
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| 21:34.24 | Stskeeps | would love a simple feature like "Would you like me to backup your rootfs to your MMC card, I'll restore if my updates fail" |
| 21:34.30 | l7 | why are those PDFs included with the updates anyhow? |
| 21:34.33 | Stskeeps | so it would revert for you |
| 21:35.10 | Stskeeps | zfs snapshots could be neat, if we didn't have so little space in flash :P |
| 21:35.15 | m-vo | GeneralAntilles: fix osv in what way? Make it more flexible? Yes, but I would say we need make it easy to avoid osv. |
| 21:35.29 | m-vo | l7: tradition. |
| 21:36.01 | l7 | tradition? that seems crazy |
| 21:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | m-vo, well, clearly it's hardly an ideal architecture, ;) but simply dropping the preinstalled documentation from the dependencies would've solved 90% of the update failures last time around. . . . |
| 21:36.20 | m-vo | Big corporations are all mentally insane |
| 21:36.29 | l7 | they could just post them on a website |
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| 21:37.03 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty: how can i change fonf size in hildon? |
| 21:37.10 | l7 | oh, well that would be thinking like a sane person |
| 21:37.20 | m-vo | GeneralAntilles: that's what I did... |
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| 21:38.10 | m-vo | has a lot to learn about how to implement change in a ig organization. |
| 21:38.19 | m-vo | "big". |
| 21:38.24 | l7 | how badly does a failed update hurt your tablet? |
| 21:38.44 | GeneralAntilles | l7, reboot loops last time around. |
| 21:38.52 | m-vo | The SSU stuff is not really understood well enough by us yet. |
| 21:38.55 | GeneralAntilles | m-vo, well, then the next round should go a lot more smoothly. ;) |
| 21:39.13 | qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, edit /usr/share/themes/<current theme>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc and find font sizes in there |
| 21:39.14 | m-vo | prefers to stay silent... :) |
| 21:39.16 | GeneralAntilles | When preinstalled failed to configure, it left stuff like ICD unconfigured |
| 21:39.25 | l7 | eh reboot loops sound bad |
| 21:39.29 | GeneralAntilles | Then, BOOM, ICD doesn't start, and reboot loop city. |
| 21:39.45 | Stskeeps | better than android's robot loops |
| 21:39.52 | l7 | seems like the best thing to do is just boot from SD all the time and keep a cloned maemo system handy |
| 21:39.55 | m-vo | Yes, running out of space is the worst thing and it basically means reflashing time. |
| 21:40.06 | Stskeeps | l7: or having fanoush bootmenu handy.. |
| 21:40.11 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty12_N800: what i should try to find there, i have tried font and size, no luck... |
| 21:40.28 | l7 | can you still charge the battery if you're stuck in a reboot loop? |
| 21:40.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, search for numbers like 16, you'll see the size next to the font name |
| 21:41.18 | Stskeeps | l7: well a reboot loop stops after a while afaik |
| 21:41.20 | Stskeeps | DSME makes sure so |
| 21:41.53 | Stskeeps | .. i think |
| 21:41.56 | l7 | what happens after it stops? |
| 21:42.04 | Stskeeps | zzz? :P |
| 21:42.56 | Stskeeps | i usually pop my battery before that though |
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| 21:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be nice if Nokia included a recovery system by default |
| 21:44.14 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's the most asked for thing in here really |
| 21:44.27 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty12_N800: Thanks |
| 21:44.30 | Stskeeps | "how do i rescue my files out of my tablet now that it has gone into a reboot loop" |
| 21:45.05 | l7 | yeah, it would have been nice to to have lost my configuration files because of having to reflash |
| 21:45.19 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: think solca's selector might be an interesting step in the right direction |
| 21:45.50 | Stskeeps | with both being able to kexec different kernels and having rescue facilities |
| 21:46.04 | l7 | are there any downsides to booting from SD aside from the loss of a card slot? |
| 21:46.22 | l7 | as it stands, booting from SD seems like a huge leap over booting from flash in every way |
| 21:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | l7, not even a whole slot, just a partition. |
| 21:46.42 | l7 | yeah, true |
| 21:48.22 | disco_stu | today i clonned my os to mmc1 and i think it goes faster |
| 21:48.37 | GeneralAntilles | It boots faster, anyway. |
| 21:48.38 | Stskeeps | disco_stu: it doesn't have to compress, so |
| 21:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming you're not using a crap card. |
| 21:48.43 | Stskeeps | or decompress |
| 21:49.04 | disco_stu | will see if the card can take the job |
| 21:49.38 | l7 | what brand of card is it? |
| 21:49.55 | disco_stu | sandisk 2gb |
| 21:49.59 | Stskeeps | one thing i definately want to experiment with in mer is "I see you have an internal card, would you like me to move from my constrained space to it, so you can feed me more applications for you to use?" :P |
| 21:50.15 | disco_stu | and i have a kingston with 4gb |
| 21:50.21 | Stskeeps | and introducing clippy into the UI. |
| 21:51.15 | disco_stu | now i have 1gb for appz |
| 21:51.28 | disco_stu | wich is cool |
| 21:52.45 | l7 | that SD card benchmark linked from the SDHC wikipedia entry is handy btw |
| 21:52.48 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: great idea :P |
| 21:53.01 | disco_stu | i dont want the card to break, and the jffs either |
| 21:53.09 | l7 | too bad it doesn't compare small vs big files |
| 21:53.33 | disco_stu | i do bench with 'dd' |
| 21:53.50 | l7 | ah what settings to you use? |
| 21:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, watch out for caching. |
| 21:54.16 | l7 | it seems like dd can only simulate the read or write of one large file |
| 21:54.29 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 21:54.53 | ShadowJK | For use as a system drive the random access speed matters more :) |
| 21:55.00 | disco_stu | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmblk count=something |
| 21:55.22 | disco_stu | that way caching wont do anything |
| 21:55.47 | disco_stu | but will erase your car |
| 21:56.10 | m-vo | Stskeeps: "Is that a card in my slot, or are you just happy to boot me?" |
| 21:56.12 | m-vo | Ouch. |
| 21:56.18 | l7 | with do you use time to measure the speed? |
| 21:56.22 | l7 | s/with// |
| 21:56.33 | Stskeeps | m-vo: haha |
| 21:56.41 | ShadowJK | bonnie++ is nice for benchmarking disks, it really shows how flash's big pagesize hurts |
| 21:57.12 | m-vo | l7: maybe of interest: http://linux-mm.org/Drop_Caches |
| 21:57.36 | l7 | s/Is that a card in my slot/Is that a wet card slot/ |
| 21:57.48 | Stskeeps | oh boy |
| 21:57.51 | l7 | to reference a really bad thread |
| 21:57.51 | Stskeeps | that thread was classic |
| 21:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 21:59.10 | l7 | m-vo: hmm, this is interesting |
| 21:59.30 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: where did you get the two moons wallpaper from btw? |
| 22:00.11 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: gnome-look.org |
| 22:00.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/downloads/date/any/ |
| 22:00.34 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:00.39 | GeneralAntilles | They have stuff in 800x480 |
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| 22:05.00 | disco_stu | i guess booting from sd makes swap slower |
| 22:05.16 | Stskeeps | do it on the external SD? :P |
| 22:05.45 | disco_stu | yeah could be |
| 22:07.02 | l7 | you could try placing the swap partition on a different card than the one you boot from |
| 22:07.32 | Stskeeps | m-vo: think i'll (or get someone to) do some experiments with that line of thought in your post, since native building on a qemu arm is a bit of a drag atm :) |
| 22:07.50 | l7 | not sure if that will increase performance though |
| 22:08.26 | l7 | or maybe build a small RAID array out of SD cards and connect it via USB ;) |
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| 22:16.20 | l7 | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/2+Moons?content=90890 looks neat |
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| 22:18.51 | marzec | greetings |
| 22:19.19 | marzec | i couldn't find an answer on the net for my problem so i want to try my luck here |
| 22:19.30 | Stskeeps | try us :P |
| 22:19.44 | marzec | for some reason the seamless software update does not work on my device ( n810, diablo 30-2 ) |
| 22:19.59 | marzec | so i figured i'd simply use the flasher provided by nokia |
| 22:20.26 | marzec | however, the flasher does not recognize the device when i connect it to my pc ( win xp, sp 2 )= |
| 22:20.41 | marzec | or rather, i'd notices a new device, tries to install drivers and fails |
| 22:20.51 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 22:20.52 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:20.58 | timeless | um, i don't suppose the seamoless software update had a log indicating why it failed :) |
| 22:21.01 | marzec | yes, i searched the net |
| 22:21.08 | Stskeeps | try to follow the instructions in there |
| 22:21.13 | marzec | i did so |
| 22:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, it does, more or less, in the Application Manager's menu. |
| 22:21.34 | marzec | i probably messed up something while was doing some usb related developement on the device |
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| 22:24.05 | timeless | marzec: it'd be nice if you checked the application manager log first |
| 22:24.18 | marzec | i'm doing so atm, just a second |
| 22:24.45 | marzec | when checking it in the application manager i only have a single entry saying hildon application manager 2.1.15 |
| 22:24.48 | marzec | *2.1.16 |
| 22:24.50 | marzec | however |
| 22:25.28 | marzec | when doing an apt-get update on the cli apt does not seem to be able to connect to the diablo repository |
| 22:25.43 | timeless | i don't suppose you poisoned dns at some point |
| 22:25.59 | marzec | hm, normal serving and pinging works though |
| 22:26.02 | marzec | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free |
| 22:26.02 | marzec | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free |
| 22:26.06 | marzec | that's my sources list |
| 22:26.06 | timeless | either by adding a package to do it, or changing the spelling |
| 22:26.16 | l7 | marzec: this is related to window's funky usb connection right? |
| 22:26.19 | timeless | load http://repository.maemo.org/404-404 |
| 22:26.28 | marzec | checking |
| 22:26.40 | marzec | l7, yes, when i try the flasher on win xp |
| 22:27.13 | l7 | you might try either using safe mode and seeing if the flasher can see your tablet |
| 22:27.36 | l7 | or go into device manager / computer manager and clean up some of the usb settings |
| 22:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/ is where updates come from |
| 22:28.00 | marzec | GeneralAntilles, i will add that to my repo list |
| 22:28.12 | marzec | timeless, that gave me a 404 but no dns error |
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| 22:28.26 | marzec | l7, i will check that. first i try the other source |
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| 22:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | marzec, unless you forcibly removed it, it's there. |
| 22:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's the only way system updates would show up. |
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| 22:29.10 | marzec | i probably forcably removed it |
| 22:29.13 | Stskeeps | isn't it in sources.list.d/hildon- instead of /etc/apt/sources.list? :P |
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| 22:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yes. |
| 22:31.05 | marzec | hm |
| 22:31.06 | marzec | Ign http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release.gpg |
| 22:31.11 | marzec | that doesn't seem right |
| 22:32.39 | m-vo | marzec: that is probably for the empty nokia-certified repo. |
| 22:32.49 | m-vo | apt-get helpfully omits parts of the URL. |
| 22:33.02 | timeless | hi m-vo |
| 22:33.10 | marzec | ic, i should really learn a bit more about debian |
| 22:33.10 | marzec | http://nopaste.com/p/axjdy40MA |
| 22:33.13 | m-vo | timeless: hi! :) |
| 22:33.14 | marzec | here's the apt-get update output |
| 22:33.24 | marzec | if anybody could take the time to check |
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| 22:33.26 | timeless | what brings you out in the open? |
| 22:33.28 | m-vo | marzec: well, this stuff right here is a bit obscure. |
| 22:33.51 | m-vo | marzec: look into /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 22:33.57 | m-vo | note the ".d" |
| 22:33.58 | marzec | checking |
| 22:34.01 | marzec | noted |
| 22:34.44 | marzec | /etc/apt/sources.list.d # cat hildon-application-manager.list |
| 22:34.44 | marzec | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free |
| 22:35.09 | marzec | that's the only file in there and the only line in the file |
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| 22:35.44 | m-vo | Oh. |
| 22:36.16 | m-vo | Hmm, how did this go again on Diablo... I keep forgetting... |
| 22:36.40 | m-vo | marzec: Did you try the Catalogue dialog in the AM UI? |
| 22:36.48 | m-vo | Maybe it is just disabled.. |
| 22:37.47 | marzec | the catalogue shows all three entries, 2 from the source.list and the other one from the hildon file |
| 22:37.58 | marzec | that is deb and deb src for diablo free / non free and the extras repository |
| 22:38.18 | marzec | however, i can not edit the diablo repositories in the ui |
| 22:38.35 | marzec | so i can not check wheter they are deactivated |
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| 22:38.40 | marzec | i can do so for the extras repository |
| 22:38.41 | m-vo | No "Nokia System Software Updates" entry? |
| 22:38.45 | marzec | no |
| 22:38.46 | thp | how can i set my maemo.org user icon? |
| 22:39.06 | GeneralAntilles | thp, edit your account |
| 22:39.24 | GeneralAntilles | thp, you may have to click save, then it'll lead you to a page with a bunch of checkboxes |
| 22:39.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's really obnoxious and roundabout and I need to file a bug about it. . . . |
| 22:39.44 | m-vo | marzec: try this one: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ |
| 22:40.04 | marzec | m-vo, checking |
| 22:40.06 | thp | GeneralAntilles: awesome! thanks :) that worked |
| 22:40.09 | m-vo | Err, add "deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:40.32 | marzec | thought so :) |
| 22:40.36 | m-vo | /etc/apt/sources.list.s/hildon- is overwritten by the AM. |
| 22:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | diablo-2 wont get you the updates for 30-6 |
| 22:40.44 | thp | GeneralAntilles: do you know if this will automatically update my planet.maemo.org icon too? |
| 22:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | thp, yes, they're the same. |
| 22:41.09 | thp | thanks :) |
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| 22:41.47 | m-vo | GeneralAntilles: no? Whats in diablo-2 now? Nothing? |
| 22:41.48 | marzec | wonderfull that got me the 36-5 update |
| 22:41.56 | marzec | trying to install it |
| 22:41.59 | m-vo | Aha! :-) |
| 22:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | Does it? |
| 22:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 22:42.10 | m-vo | marzec: uhh, I'm nervous... |
| 22:42.10 | marzec | m-vo, thanks a lot |
| 22:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | Did Nokia actually populate the latest repo with the latest packages? |
| 22:42.41 | m-vo | Yes, yes, we fixed that. Stupd oversight. |
| 22:42.44 | marzec | libhildonfm2 is missing |
| 22:42.47 | marzec | i can't install the update |
| 22:42.49 | marzec | oh well |
| 22:42.49 | m-vo | /Stupd/Stupid/ |
| 22:42.59 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, thank goodness, one less thing for me to bitch about about SSU. ;) |
| 22:43.08 | m-vo | Hmm, did you mess with your system? |
| 22:43.12 | marzec | yes |
| 22:43.22 | marzec | that's why i wanted to flash it via usb |
| 22:43.27 | marzec | which does not work |
| 22:43.36 | m-vo | let |
| 22:43.40 | m-vo | Errm. |
| 22:43.49 | marzec | but i think i have taken enough of your time for now. i'll try it at my company on monday |
| 22:43.51 | m-vo | let's try to fix it, marzec. |
| 22:44.02 | marzec | well if you have the time i'd be grateful |
| 22:44.12 | m-vo | Let's see. :-) |
| 22:44.28 | m-vo | I assume you feel at home in a root shell, right? |
| 22:44.46 | marzec | yes |
| 22:45.05 | marzec | checking apt-cache i can see that lib but only the debug version of it |
| 22:45.17 | marzec | wait there's the normal one too |
| 22:45.18 | m-vo | what you want to do is "apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44" (if you have a N810). |
| 22:45.21 | marzec | trying to manually installing it |
| 22:45.41 | m-vo | marzec: the -dbg packages only contain the symbols, no actual library. |
| 22:45.47 | marzec | ay |
| 22:45.57 | m-vo | marzec: you might want to disable all repos that are SDK related. |
| 22:46.04 | marzec | seems to work |
| 22:46.10 | marzec | i already tried that earlier that day |
| 22:46.18 | marzec | but i was obviously missing the repo :) |
| 22:46.21 | m-vo | what's apt-get trying to do? |
| 22:46.32 | m-vo | maybe it is removing half your system... :-/ |
| 22:46.35 | marzec | i get's all the needed stuff from the nokia update site |
| 22:46.41 | marzec | that would not be a problem |
| 22:46.46 | marzec | i backed up everything i need |
| 22:47.13 | m-vo | Ok... hmm , why didn't the AM do it itself, then... hmm.... |
| 22:47.22 | marzec | i have no idea |
| 22:47.27 | marzec | but it seems to update the os now |
| 22:47.33 | marzec | said it would update 87 packages |
| 22:47.39 | marzec | and they all seem to be core system packages |
| 22:47.43 | marzec | stuff like microb etc. |
| 22:47.48 | m-vo | AM handles conflicts differently. Apt-get remove anything? |
| 22:47.55 | marzec | no |
| 22:48.15 | marzec | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 22:48.15 | marzec | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 22:48.15 | marzec | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 22:48.15 | marzec | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 22:48.15 | marzec | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 22:48.18 | marzec | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
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| 22:48.20 | marzec | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 22:48.22 | marzec | grr |
| 22:48.24 | marzec | setting the paths and doing it again |
| 22:48.26 | marzec | ... |
| 22:48.27 | m-vo | Whoa. |
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| 22:49.25 | marzec | whoa does not actually sound that good heh |
| 22:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:51.22 | GeneralAntilles | I think I've had paths become unset after installing a package on an almost full system (and running out of space in the process) |
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| 22:51.47 | marzec | yes that could well be |
| 22:51.55 | marzec | manually setting the paths did the trick though |
| 22:51.59 | marzec | it seems to update the system now |
| 22:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | Somewhat similar to: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3795 |
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| 22:53.04 | marzec | hm, yes sounds familiar |
| 22:53.14 | marzec | i installed gcc plus some x-headers on the device |
| 22:53.21 | GeneralAntilles | Really messed up evil things tend to happen when the system runs out of storage space |
| 22:53.22 | marzec | and that seemed to have fucked up a lot |
| 22:53.35 | marzec | yeah, all that dev stuff took a lot of space |
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| 22:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | I really hope the next tablet has a sane amount of built-in storage |
| 22:53.47 | marzec | i guess i had like 5mb left on the root fs at some point |
| 22:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | marzec: |
| 22:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd |
| 22:53.53 | infobot | somebody said boot-sd was https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 22:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | If you're doing on-device development, you'll definitely want to boot from an SD card. |
| 22:54.21 | marzec | oh, yes that makes sense :) |
| 22:54.22 | m-vo | has a N810 with 8 GiB internal flash... 8-) |
| 22:54.43 | marzec | poser :) |
| 22:55.05 | marzec | ok great, that seemed to work |
| 22:55.07 | GAN800 | The ke-recv source with 768MB of swap on internal is interesting. |
| 22:55.35 | marzec | oh shit |
| 22:55.47 | marzec | i shouldn't have sshd via putty and update with that... |
| 22:55.54 | GAN800 | Ehehe |
| 22:55.56 | m-vo | yeah.... |
| 22:56.00 | Stskeeps | heard that one before |
| 22:56.08 | GAN800 | The pitfalls of updating icd. ;) |
| 22:56.44 | m-vo | marzec: just hang in there it might come back. |
| 22:56.47 | GAN800 | marzec, clearly an unsupported use-case. :p |
| 22:56.58 | marzec | nope cause it seems to have stopped the connectivity client |
| 22:57.14 | marzec | *demon |
| 22:57.16 | m-vo | yes, but it might bring it up again. |
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| 22:57.24 | marzec | hm |
| 22:57.27 | mavhc | you'd think it'd be eaiser to just symlink a part of the fs to an sd card |
| 22:57.37 | m-vo | not sure whether a lost netweork really stops apt-get. |
| 22:58.25 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, evil, evil, evil. |
| 22:58.28 | marzec | apt-get was already installing |
| 22:58.40 | marzec | and stopped the demon at some point |
| 22:58.47 | marzec | putty can't recover |
| 22:58.57 | marzec | put apt-get should execute to finish at least |
| 22:59.03 | marzec | so i guess i have a smoke and see what happens |
| 22:59.25 | marzec | thanks for all the great help, didn't expect that :) i'll be back to get on your nerves |
| 22:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, what happens there is that when the battery gets low it shuts down the SD cards. |
| 22:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | It also doubles the failure points |
| 23:00.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's much cleaner and easier to just boot from SD. |
| 23:00.24 | mavhc | same thing that happens as when it's all on SD? |
| 23:00.44 | l7 | at what point does power to the SD card get shut off? |
| 23:01.07 | l7 | i assume that means your system crashes if you're booted from SD |
| 23:02.18 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it shuts down SD cards when battery gets too low? didn't know that |
| 23:02.37 | Stskeeps | thought it would die way before that :P |
| 23:03.36 | ShadowJK | mine seems to do a clean shutdown |
| 23:03.43 | m-vo | marzec: good luck! |
| 23:03.59 | Stskeeps | heads off to bed |
| 23:04.26 | GeneralAntilles | l7, not an issue when you're booted from the card. |
| 23:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | It shuts down cleanly as usual. |
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| 23:07.21 | marzec | ow.. |
| 23:07.32 | marzec | if i remember correctly the n810 is not really multitasking is it? |
| 23:07.47 | marzec | that is, background stuff like an ssh session will go to sleep if not active anymore |
| 23:07.54 | marzec | so my apt-get just hangs there doing nothing |
| 23:07.56 | marzec | crap |
| 23:08.26 | marzec | top confirms it, apt-get and dpkg are running but at 0% cpu |
| 23:09.06 | Stskeeps | apt-get upgrade is not that suspectable to HUP |
| 23:09.31 | marzec | hopefully |
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| 23:09.40 | Stskeeps | it will probably finish. it multitasks fully |
| 23:10.49 | marzec | uh some life signals from dpkg |
| 23:10.57 | marzec | well, then i have to be patient i guess |
| 23:12.22 | GeneralAntilles | wonders if he's likely to hear back from integration. |
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| 23:18.22 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, how much swap have you allocated? |
| 23:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | 128MB |
| 23:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | More is likely to lead to performance degradation |
| 23:19.11 | disco_stu | i was going to try 256 |
| 23:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | No point |
| 23:19.49 | disco_stu | ok |
| 23:21.15 | ShadowJK | It's too slow once it goes much over 128 in use anyway |
| 23:25.08 | marzec | hm, apt is no longer locked |
| 23:25.16 | marzec | think it's save to reboot GeneralAntilles? |
| 23:25.42 | practisevoodoo_ | right, i know that kismet works on the n810 os2008 cause i have had it on here before but i didnt bookmark it and now i cant find it again, anyone got the url to the package saved? |
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| 23:28.12 | disco_stu | ~kismet |
| 23:28.13 | infobot | rumour has it, kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/ |
| 23:29.04 | marzec | nice i think i just killed my n810... |
| 23:29.18 | marzec | now i got the reboot syndrom... |
| 23:32.52 | GeneralAntilles | Disable the watchdog and try apt-get -f install or just wait and flash it. |
| 23:34.13 | marzec | well the device just reboots at startup, around 80%. same as the stuff i read on the forums |
| 23:34.21 | marzec | how could i disable the watchdog in that situation? |
| 23:34.53 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 23:34.53 | infobot | from memory, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 23:35.10 | nikosapi | so it seems my SD card got fried and now my terminal freezes for a long while when cd'ing and ls'ing :S |
| 23:35.19 | nikosapi | this is so bizzare |
| 23:35.57 | t_s_o | tried to insert it in a pc and run a filesystem check? |
| 23:36.19 | nikosapi | the SD card? |
| 23:36.49 | nikosapi | none of my computers/card-readers will recognize it |
| 23:37.14 | marzec | GeneralAntilles, i tried that already a couple of times |
| 23:37.28 | marzec | the problem is that the n810 does not wait for the flasher on startup but conitnues to boot |
| 23:37.31 | marzec | *continues |
| 23:37.49 | GeneralAntilles | marzec, are you holding down the swap key with the USB plugged in? |
| 23:38.04 | marzec | the home key, as described on the page |
| 23:38.18 | GeneralAntilles | and USB is plugged in? |
| 23:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | The charger is unplugged? |
| 23:38.22 | marzec | of course |
| 23:38.27 | marzec | check and check |
| 23:38.37 | marzec | windows xp, latest flasher from nokia site |
| 23:38.38 | GeneralAntilles | Are you SURE you're holding down the home key? |
| 23:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | and doing it while powering it on? |
| 23:39.07 | marzec | my my... i mistook the home key as being the power on key |
| 23:39.10 | marzec | i'm very sorry |
| 23:39.14 | marzec | english is not my first language |
| 23:39.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:39.29 | marzec | take that as an excuse for stupidity... |
| 23:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's the one on the front face with the two overlapping rectangles. ;) |
| 23:39.47 | marzec | ay, i figured :p |
| 23:39.50 | marzec | damn it |
| 23:39.58 | GeneralAntilles | I still need to dredge up some little pictures to show what the button is. |
| 23:40.26 | marzec | thanks, works like a charme now... |
| 23:41.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 23:45.43 | marzec | wow that was fast |
| 23:46.59 | marzec | finally back to slashdot |
| 23:47.07 | marzec | thanks a lot folks and gn |
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| 23:58.44 | zakkm | Is there a http downloader for the nokia, some kind of gtk wget perhaps? |
| 23:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB? |
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| 23:59.38 | zakkm | microb takes too much |
| 23:59.43 | zakkm | and the downloads like go ove reverything |
| 23:59.50 | zakkm | was hoping for it to accept from a text file |
| 23:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | wget? |
| 23:59.55 | zakkm | my install is so screwed, wget wont install |
