| 00:00.52 | zakkm | Stskeeps |
| 00:00.53 | zakkm | problem |
| 00:01.03 | zakkm | i picked gtk and i couldnt select anything for tablet user/ password |
| 00:01.11 | zakkm | cause im on n800, and it didnt work for me to type |
| 00:01.51 | Stskeeps | "GTK gives you a pretty user interface for the questions (see http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/debconf-gtk.png), but if you don't own a keyboard for/on your tablet, don't use it." |
| 00:01.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 00:02.03 | zakkm | i know, but its too late |
| 00:02.06 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:02.09 | Stskeeps | (feel free to shout things at me :P) |
| 00:02.22 | zakkm | its too late |
| 00:02.25 | zakkm | :( |
| 00:02.32 | zakkm | i dont wanna restart the installer |
| 00:02.55 | Stskeeps | wait half a week when we start having mer more possible to play with :P |
| 00:03.16 | zakkm | im very impatient :) |
| 00:03.30 | zakkm | what happens in half a week? |
| 00:03.45 | Stskeeps | i expect to be a little further than just booting a console system :P |
| 00:03.59 | Stskeeps | is a bit impatient himself, waiting for fremantle alpha sdk |
| 00:04.00 | zakkm | console works? |
| 00:04.12 | zakkm | got up to console ? |
| 00:04.25 | Stskeeps | we have X+hildon etc as well, in a previous iteration |
| 00:04.38 | Stskeeps | and yeah, i had console going earlier tonight |
| 00:04.51 | zakkm | install lxde ;p |
| 00:05.00 | zakkm | forget about hildon :P |
| 00:05.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, but then it'd just be a ubuntu port.. :P |
| 00:05.22 | Stskeeps | and run into same problems as deblet |
| 00:05.54 | GeneralAntilles | Desktop DEs make zero sense on the tablets. <_< |
| 00:05.57 | Stskeeps | and the idea is LXDE would run as well on Mer. as well as KDE, .. etc |
| 00:06.01 | Stskeeps | if people want it |
| 00:06.23 | Stskeeps | but default setup is hildon, obviously |
| 00:07.03 | GeneralAntilles | bursts. |
| 00:07.26 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 00:07.41 | Stskeeps | likes hildon better but for some things a desktop DE is "ok" |
| 00:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | Too much food. |
| 00:08.07 | Stskeeps | and there's always going to be people who want to paint the bikeshed a different colour |
| 00:08.08 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:08.23 | GeneralAntilles | Blue! |
| 00:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | BLUUUEEEEE! |
| 00:08.28 | zakkm | desktop DE's are fine :P |
| 00:08.32 | zakkm | hildon is too slow |
| 00:08.33 | zakkm | :D |
| 00:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | Erm? |
| 00:08.44 | GeneralAntilles | Desktop DEs are FASTER now? :\ |
| 00:08.48 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:08.52 | zakkm | i want fluxbox , honestly |
| 00:08.54 | zakkm | but yeah |
| 00:09.01 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 00:09.20 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: speed vs functionality ratio probably is less than hildons :P |
| 00:09.47 | zakkm | hildon is slow for me |
| 00:10.04 | zakkm | think i bloated it too much |
| 00:10.20 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: your beagle still dead btw? |
| 00:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I gave it another swing yesterday, was gonna ask you if you could give me a tarball to turn it into a build machine if I managed to revive it |
| 00:10.49 | GeneralAntilles | but no progress. :\ |
| 00:10.57 | jrayhawk | Well, it's probably not 'bloat', per se, but integration with a huge pile of helper programs. |
| 00:11.01 | Stskeeps | busted boot loader or, ? |
| 00:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, busted bootloader |
| 00:11.15 | GeneralAntilles | and the Beagle documentation still sucks |
| 00:12.08 | Stskeeps | is not 100% fond of beagle yet after weird problems with it |
| 00:12.14 | Stskeeps | it stands offline at my work atm too |
| 00:12.45 | GeneralAntilles | The software (kernel especially) really needs some time to stabilize. |
| 00:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | It's fantastic if you want to play with that sort of stuff, but not great for getting stuff done. |
| 00:13.22 | woglinde | ga hm? |
| 00:13.22 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 00:13.29 | zakkm | how much was the beagle? |
| 00:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | $150 |
| 00:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | Which makes it about the cheapest ARM development kit around. |
| 00:13.44 | zakkm | paid $145 for nokia |
| 00:14.02 | Stskeeps | i think i'm going to use my work's n800 for new kernel experiments & mer |
| 00:14.14 | Stskeeps | as i use my own actively |
| 00:14.19 | disco_stu | thinks GeneralAntilles should donate one to disco_stu |
| 00:14.20 | zakkm | OMAP3530 processor delivers laptop-like performance at handheld power levels |
| 00:14.24 | woglinde | hm we have lot of stuff at work |
| 00:14.31 | woglinde | today a gumstick board arvies |
| 00:14.31 | zakkm | it has the new omap thats suppose to be in the new nokia's? |
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| 00:14.35 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 00:14.40 | woglinde | and I have to time to play with them |
| 00:14.54 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, more or less. |
| 00:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be the OMAP3430 |
| 00:15.14 | GeneralAntilles | Which is for larger production runs, and includes some more proprietary stuff. |
| 00:15.33 | zakkm | you think it might make a good server? |
| 00:15.37 | zakkm | or should i just go x86? |
| 00:15.44 | jrayhawk | define "good" |
| 00:15.55 | zakkm | price vs performance |
| 00:16.08 | zakkm | not amount of dev work |
| 00:16.13 | GeneralAntilles | Well, storage interfaces are limited |
| 00:16.22 | GeneralAntilles | Connectivity can be a pain |
| 00:16.26 | zakkm | i saw a SD attached to it |
| 00:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, if you want something to invest a lot of time screwing around with |
| 00:16.34 | zakkm | i want a media server for my nokia, and some other stuff |
| 00:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | it's great |
| 00:16.36 | Stskeeps | zakkm: if i had it not eating MMC's for breakfast, and the ubuntu kernels providing OTG/pepherial for USBnet, i wouldn't mind.. |
| 00:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | but if you want something that just works, it's not the right answer. |
| 00:16.48 | jrayhawk | define "price" |
| 00:16.56 | zakkm | highschool student budget |
| 00:17.04 | Stskeeps | zakkm: atom board is probably more sane to get |
| 00:17.08 | zakkm | i have that |
| 00:17.12 | zakkm | the d945gclf |
| 00:17.19 | jrayhawk | okay, if you're not paying for power, x86 will always win out |
| 00:17.23 | zakkm | only recently upgraded my desktop from that |
| 00:17.29 | Stskeeps | i have gclf2 at work and i hate it. intel driver fucks up immensely on tv-out |
| 00:17.34 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:17.34 | Stskeeps | rolling picture |
| 00:17.37 | zakkm | never tried tv-out |
| 00:17.47 | zakkm | apparnatly the "2" is only like 15% faster ;p |
| 00:17.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, ARM's advantage is power consumption |
| 00:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | So if you're not running it off a battery, just get x86. |
| 00:18.07 | zakkm | yeah, would be attached to wall |
| 00:18.31 | jrayhawk | ARM also has the Java advantage. |
| 00:18.38 | zakkm | which is? |
| 00:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | If you've already got the Atom, it sounds like you have what you need. ;) |
| 00:19.09 | jrayhawk | The fancier ARM instruction sets support native Java execution. |
| 00:19.10 | zakkm | the d945gclf suppose to take alot of power though |
| 00:19.20 | zakkm | despite being atom |
| 00:19.32 | disco_stu | jrayhawk: what java advantage ? |
| 00:19.45 | zakkm | used to use it for mac osx x86 support, the d945gclf/lf2 , have perfect mac support |
| 00:19.48 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, the chipsets that go with the Atom are the killers at this point. :\ |
| 00:19.52 | zakkm | made a nice mac box |
| 00:19.56 | Stskeeps | woo, "ubuntu jaunty (development branch) Nokia-N800-23-14" |
| 00:20.04 | zakkm | ? |
| 00:20.05 | Stskeeps | tty1, login: |
| 00:20.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 00:20.06 | zakkm | what that mean? |
| 00:20.10 | zakkm | ;o |
| 00:20.16 | zakkm | you already said you had console? |
| 00:20.17 | Stskeeps | means my image baker worked |
| 00:20.28 | disco_stu | jrayhawk: n800 has it ? |
| 00:20.38 | Stskeeps | yeah, previously i reused my old installer for iteration 1, now i made a new more.. insane one |
| 00:20.39 | zakkm | stskeeps: suggestion,... use the + and - from volume |
| 00:20.42 | zakkm | to go from tty1-7 :P |
| 00:20.52 | zakkm | the hardware + and - |
| 00:20.54 | Stskeeps | hehe.. i don't intend to use console much |
| 00:21.04 | Stskeeps | got a n800 so |
| 00:21.08 | zakkm | yeah |
| 00:21.08 | zakkm | me too |
| 00:21.11 | zakkm | sounds nice though |
| 00:21.18 | zakkm | cause some might use console and like irssi and stuff |
| 00:21.30 | zakkm | would make it nice and barebone , or not even start X at all |
| 00:21.47 | zakkm | "fullscreen" does startx :P |
| 00:21.52 | zakkm | plus and minus = change tty |
| 00:22.05 | jrayhawk | I forget what the OMAP stuff is; cat /proc/cpuinfo and find out if it's ARMv5 or above. |
| 00:22.07 | disco_stu | jrayhawk: n800 has java caps ? |
| 00:22.17 | disco_stu | it says java |
| 00:22.38 | Stskeeps | jrayhawk: armv6 i think |
| 00:22.45 | Stskeeps | the nokia tablets |
| 00:22.53 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://tinyurl.com/5vu3uk |
| 00:22.59 | lcuk | omap2420 has jazelle opcode mode, but no framework around it |
| 00:23.24 | disco_stu | jrayhawk: its v6 and says java |
| 00:23.28 | disco_stu | what does it mean ? |
| 00:23.37 | Stskeeps | (how to describe a firmware image target, in this file, targeting a folder) |
| 00:23.42 | jrayhawk | It means that there are execution modes for executing native JVM bytecode. |
| 00:24.01 | disco_stu | wow |
| 00:24.09 | disco_stu | its a shame we dont exploit that capabilites |
| 00:24.24 | zakkm | exploit.. lol |
| 00:24.24 | Stskeeps | disco_stu: trade secret stuff :P |
| 00:24.31 | lcuk | i can think of more visible things which could be exploited |
| 00:24.39 | zakkm | never heard of using cpu's ability, exploting |
| 00:24.56 | zakkm | so does that mean java apps will start appearing? :P |
| 00:25.02 | zakkm | MER java edition :P |
| 00:25.04 | lcuk | tell that to mey intel celeron 300a |
| 00:25.07 | disco_stu | whatever |
| 00:25.09 | Stskeeps | .. openjdk and cacao |
| 00:25.21 | lcuk | ooo |
| 00:25.33 | jrayhawk | I do not know why you would bother since the majority of the Linux ecosystem already runs fine on native ARM instruction sets. |
| 00:26.06 | disco_stu | terms of speed i guess |
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| 00:29.36 | Stskeeps | ponders idly how much power this blinking cursor takes on the tablet.. |
| 00:29.51 | Stskeeps | (on a non-blanking screen on a console.. :P) |
| 00:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | More than zero? |
| 00:31.18 | Stskeeps | i swear, the first thing i'm going to change in mer is the behaviour of when charger is inserted.. |
| 00:31.45 | Stskeeps | so it's possible to move from the animation to hildon in a buttonpush |
| 00:31.58 | zakkm | how can i get adbock ? |
| 00:32.01 | zakkm | on diablo? |
| 00:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | Don't bother |
| 00:32.10 | GeneralAntilles | IT sucks |
| 00:32.13 | GeneralAntilles | CSS/Hosts |
| 00:32.16 | zakkm | okay |
| 00:32.36 | zakkm | trying to think of ways to speed it up |
| 00:32.36 | zakkm | ;p |
| 00:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Ad_blocking |
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| 00:33.57 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: if you're bored eventually, a simple list of included apps for a community distribution.. where we exclude everything closed source from nokia |
| 00:34.05 | Stskeeps | like, in the initial firmware image |
| 00:34.08 | zakkm | is havaplayer any good? |
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| 00:34.25 | Stskeeps | just so we have some kind of "goal" to work towards |
| 00:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, there are some sync issues with long term viewing |
| 00:34.28 | zakkm | ohh how do i install garnet-vm? :P |
| 00:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | but it works really nicely otherwise |
| 00:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, like the wiki page, but with everything? |
| 00:35.26 | zakkm | do one of you have a hava box for tv? |
| 00:35.27 | Stskeeps | (and apologies for any typos or weird sentences, i'm quite sleepy :) |
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| 00:36.37 | woglinde | hm anyone know how to get packages into sdk? |
| 00:36.41 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, yes, I have the Platinum |
| 00:36.48 | zakkm | wanna stream me live tv? :P lol |
| 00:36.50 | GeneralAntilles | Works great |
| 00:37.09 | woglinde | because I will start to get cacao with classpath into maemo |
| 00:37.20 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i forgot the url for the community edition again, what i'm seeking after is basically a list of apps/control panels/applets/etc that are OSS that should be on a community firmware image of Mer |
| 00:37.24 | woglinde | but some packages only needed for sdk |
| 00:37.36 | Stskeeps | within reasonable limits of flash space |
| 00:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_Community_distribution |
| 00:37.54 | Stskeeps | so we can use that list to see how close to acting like maemo we are |
| 00:37.56 | zakkm | thinks wget should be in this mer :D |
| 00:38.33 | Stskeeps | zakkm: think it is :P |
| 00:39.13 | zakkm | ok good :P |
| 00:40.08 | zakkm | ohh |
| 00:40.14 | zakkm | there is a way to do copy link .. from microb |
| 00:40.17 | zakkm | to clipboard |
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| 00:42.36 | zakkm | is there a list of all maemo skins somewhere? |
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| 00:47.11 | jrayhawk | I think emdebian is also working on the coreutils/busybox agnosticism problem in Debian |
| 00:48.09 | jrayhawk | It would probably be a good idea to look into their discussions and start stealing as many good ideas as your wiki can hold. |
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| 00:49.20 | Stskeeps | jrayhawk: mm, for now we go with coreutils.. helps more than it hurts atm |
| 00:51.01 | Stskeeps | mm, bed. gnite |
| 00:53.27 | zakkm | anyone here heard of ettercap? |
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| 05:47.44 | WormFood | anyone get all the way through hex-a-bop? that fuckin' game is so hard, playing it is like work |
| 05:48.44 | disco_stu | WormFood: never played it, is it good ? |
| 05:48.44 | WormFood | hey corq-FL, where abouts in florida are you from? |
| 05:49.02 | WormFood | I find it rather enjoyable, for the most part, but some of the levels are just crazy hard |
| 05:49.42 | WormFood | it appears there is 100 levels...I'm not 100% sure about that....but every level I complete, it says I'm that percentage done...20 levels = 20% finished |
| 05:50.07 | WormFood | I like good logic puzzles |
| 05:50.19 | disco_stu | i'll install it |
| 05:51.39 | WormFood | I always enjoyed logic puzzles as a kid |
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| 05:52.03 | disco_stu | i rather prefer fps |
| 05:52.05 | disco_stu | lol |
| 05:52.25 | WormFood | I find most FPS boring |
| 05:52.45 | disco_stu | numptyphysics is also good to play on NIT's |
| 05:52.46 | WormFood | DN3D was fun, as was Unreal Tournament (the original one), and the first quake |
| 05:52.58 | WormFood | yeah, that is fun too, but not enough levels |
| 05:53.07 | GeneralAntilles | We need to start a tablet-only server for Q3 when the N900 comes out. . . . |
| 05:53.41 | WormFood | also, I have creative ways win on numptyphysics, that isn't always what the designer envisioned |
| 05:54.14 | disco_stu | yeah |
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| 06:03.12 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, ping. |
| 06:11.52 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles whats up |
| 06:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | So, about minimalist |
| 06:12.16 | andrewfblack | yeah I want to redue it for new site |
| 06:12.24 | andrewfblack | full features |
| 06:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | The new maemo.org theme for itT is going to be a _LOT_ lighter than itT's existing theme. |
| 06:12.41 | andrewfblack | light enough to only need one theme |
| 06:12.46 | GeneralAntilles | INdT is currently working on the design right now |
| 06:13.00 | GeneralAntilles | Well, probably, but choice doesn't hurt. ;) |
| 06:13.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hang on, let me grab a link |
| 06:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HOME510.png |
| 06:13.31 | andrewfblack | I just love 1 with no images at all for use over cell phone |
| 06:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | That's the latest mockup. |
| 06:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | So, if you either want to update minimalist's colors and header to match that |
| 06:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | or get on maemo-community and discuss the changes |
| 06:14.48 | GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, I think it should be an option. |
| 06:14.56 | andrewfblack | cool |
| 06:16.11 | andrewfblack | I'll work on a redesign I really don't like the menu I have for minimalist theme right now either |
| 06:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'd recommend subscribing to maemo-community (if you aren't already) and discussing it some there |
| 06:16.47 | andrewfblack | ok |
| 06:16.49 | GeneralAntilles | As you'll likely get a lot of input. |
| 06:17.08 | GeneralAntilles | But I definitely think it should be included. |
| 06:19.04 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, actually, my initial thought when we first started talking about the move was "We should talk to andrewfblack for the new theme". :P |
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| 06:25.27 | andrewfblack | lol Its good to be though of I wish I could do more but for the community but my software programming skills are weak |
| 06:26.04 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, so are mine. :P |
| 06:26.41 | andrewfblack | and see how far you have come |
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| 06:28.53 | andrewfblack | I have been wanting to do a new minimalist theme for awhile just never could get Reggie into it |
| 06:32.40 | AStorm | hehe |
| 06:33.08 | AStorm | in the meantime, I'm still working on handwriting recognition |
| 06:33.27 | acydlord | i forgot my n810 charger at work |
| 06:33.58 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles When is new site going to launch |
| 06:34.04 | AStorm | and I'd like to ask if you'd prefer a ui like epitext (the current one) or something with a standard textbox |
| 06:34.51 | AStorm | with live correction too... (mouse-driven textbox :P) |
| 06:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, no date, but it'll probably be January or February |
| 06:35.14 | AStorm | I mean separate recognized text and written text, instead of replacing |
| 06:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | Likely to coincide with the new site launch |
| 06:35.46 | andrewfblack | cool |
| 06:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, I want Newton-style where I can write anywhere. :P |
| 06:36.11 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, hmm |
| 06:36.40 | AStorm | possible, if you can hook up "showing" a window and hiding it |
| 06:36.53 | AStorm | I could synthesize X input events |
| 06:37.02 | AStorm | which should work anywhere |
| 06:37.07 | GeneralAntilles | Probably not worth pursing |
| 06:37.23 | AStorm | pity matchbox can't do proper window management |
| 06:37.24 | GeneralAntilles | But replacing works for me |
| 06:37.40 | AStorm | for me, it works so-so |
| 06:37.58 | AStorm | hm |
| 06:38.18 | AStorm | maybe I'll add "tap to pick next possibility" |
| 06:39.11 | AStorm | letter and even maybe word |
| 06:39.40 | AStorm | that would be more t9 or newton style, right? |
| 06:39.59 | AStorm | the most important change is that now *you* add symbols :> |
| 06:40.17 | AStorm | so, I will finally be able to recognize Polish diacritics |
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| 06:41.45 | zakkm | should hildon-desktop be tak 31mb ram? |
| 06:41.48 | AStorm | that, and a better algorithm (already works better, w/o a dictionary :P) |
| 06:42.18 | AStorm | zakkm, no, here it grabs 11M |
| 06:42.29 | zakkm | for me its taking 31mb |
| 06:42.54 | zakkm | Astorm: newest Diablo? |
| 06:43.04 | AStorm | yes |
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| 06:43.28 | zakkm | uh oh |
| 06:43.42 | zakkm | why is mine taking so much |
| 06:43.45 | AStorm | 23-14 |
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| 06:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | How many applets? :\ |
| 06:44.35 | AStorm | so, 2008.36-5 here |
| 06:44.45 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles |
| 06:44.48 | zakkm | on desktop , only 1 |
| 06:44.51 | zakkm | the normal clock |
| 06:44.59 | AStorm | I have omweather, search, clock |
| 06:45.01 | GeneralAntilles | Statusbar, taskbar? |
| 06:45.02 | zakkm | at top thingy, just load-applet and advanced banklight |
| 06:45.13 | AStorm | and in tray, adv backlight and load-applet |
| 06:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | and is that "top"? |
| 06:45.23 | zakkm | no |
| 06:45.27 | zakkm | load-applet |
| 06:45.29 | zakkm | list processes |
| 06:46.40 | AStorm | here too |
| 06:46.51 | AStorm | btw, who has htop for diablo? |
| 06:47.05 | zakkm | probably would be the same as chinook? |
| 06:47.08 | GeneralAntilles | Probably in the Tools repo |
| 06:47.09 | zakkm | htop is very small :P |
| 06:47.19 | zakkm | it doesnt compile i dont think |
| 06:47.24 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, tools? where is that? |
| 06:47.46 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/tools/ |
| 06:48.10 | AStorm | hmm, news |
| 06:48.26 | zakkm | so Astorm: it says 11mb in load-applet for you? |
| 06:48.28 | AStorm | I should subscribe to some feed to keep myself updated |
| 06:48.29 | zakkm | for hildon-desktop? |
| 06:48.34 | AStorm | zakkm, yes |
| 06:48.40 | zakkm | damn |
| 06:48.43 | zakkm | ill try rebooting |
| 06:49.08 | zakkm | was thinking of reflashing |
| 06:49.18 | zakkm | and just getting the stuff i want this time, rather than trying new stuff |
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| 06:49.33 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, 0ity there's no gvim in there |
| 06:49.38 | AStorm | *pity |
| 06:49.44 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: you think LCARS could of caused the huge "memory leak" |
| 06:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | Doubtful |
| 06:49.56 | zakkm | hildon desktop is now 16mb |
| 06:50.03 | zakkm | somethings leaking ;p |
| 06:50.19 | AStorm | weird, here nothing is apparently |
| 06:50.26 | AStorm | except microb |
| 06:50.27 | AStorm | :P |
| 06:50.34 | zakkm | its a browser though |
| 06:50.37 | zakkm | i dont mind that |
| 06:50.38 | AStorm | but that is fixed with restarting it |
| 06:50.47 | zakkm | but hildon-desktop cant be restarted :P |
| 06:50.55 | AStorm | pity it doesn't support sessions |
| 06:51.15 | zakkm | adds to wishlist for mer :) |
| 06:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sure it can |
| 06:51.32 | GeneralAntilles | killall hildon-desktop |
| 06:51.37 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, haha |
| 06:51.42 | AStorm | almost a reboot |
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| 06:52.05 | AStorm | and won't it enter "safe-mode" and disable all the applets? |
| 06:52.06 | zakkm | killall -9 more like it ;p |
| 06:52.12 | AStorm | zakkm, wrong |
| 06:52.32 | zakkm | hell, why not just STOP it. ;p |
| 06:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, there's a file that it deletes when it closes cleanly |
| 06:52.48 | AStorm | mhm |
| 06:52.53 | GeneralAntilles | if that file's there it start, it starts up with default applets |
| 06:52.56 | AStorm | that I know |
| 06:53.08 | AStorm | but will sigterm make it remove the file? |
| 06:53.12 | zakkm | yeah |
| 06:53.15 | zakkm | it says 17mb now |
| 06:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 06:53.17 | zakkm | theres a leak :P |
| 06:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | They're easy enough to re-enable anyway |
| 06:53.28 | zakkm | not if you killall -9 :D |
| 06:53.48 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, not if you're running 10 or more:> |
| 06:54.02 | zakkm | oh wow |
| 06:54.06 | zakkm | you can kill hildon-desktop :D |
| 06:54.12 | AStorm | :P |
| 06:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | I wish it weren't so nastily put together |
| 06:54.28 | zakkm | oh yeah its so memory-leaked |
| 06:54.29 | AStorm | anyway, we need something less broken than matchbox too |
| 06:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | hopefully the applets will move to their own processes soon. |
| 06:54.39 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, oh, indeed |
| 06:54.51 | AStorm | I can't figure out the init system |
| 06:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | Which, I think they're planning on fixing at some point. |
| 06:54.57 | AStorm | want to add a script |
| 06:55.03 | AStorm | yet it doesn't work |
| 06:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | upstart in Fremantle |
| 06:55.44 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, wouldn't it be as easy as a system("some-applet")? |
| 06:56.21 | AStorm | or are they done in a hacky plugin way? |
| 06:56.49 | AStorm | (then it would be threading to fix it, or clone syscall) |
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| 06:58.04 | AStorm | (plus some signal watchdog) |
| 06:58.21 | zakkm | how did you get yours to take 11mb |
| 06:58.31 | zakkm | i think thats why my nokia is slow, goes into swap so fast |
| 06:58.33 | AStorm | eh, why oh why can't I have unlimited time... |
| 06:58.37 | AStorm | zakkm, nothing at all |
| 06:58.56 | AStorm | exactly, I'm running xchat here, browser, terminal etc. |
| 06:59.02 | zakkm | did you clone from sd ? |
| 06:59.04 | AStorm | pidgin |
| 06:59.07 | AStorm | no |
| 06:59.10 | AStorm | it's jffs2 |
| 06:59.51 | AStorm | personally, I'd use device-manager instead if going to such a low level |
| 07:00.03 | zakkm | ? |
| 07:00.07 | zakkm | device-manager? |
| 07:00.08 | AStorm | and raid0 the partitions |
| 07:00.11 | AStorm | yup |
| 07:00.43 | zakkm | i dont get it :( |
| 07:00.51 | AStorm | get 512M of space (about) for system |
| 07:00.58 | AStorm | and rest unraided for stuff |
| 07:01.19 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, did you see: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh ? |
| 07:01.44 | AStorm | I did reformat my card manually |
| 07:02.07 | AStorm | as per ITT |
| 07:02.34 | zakkm | where is {1} < -- defined? |
| 07:02.44 | AStorm | commandline |
| 07:02.49 | AStorm | first arg |
| 07:03.04 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, "o, they're now making partitions? |
| 07:03.15 | AStorm | what for? |
| 07:03.31 | AStorm | swap partitions are overrated and pointless |
| 07:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | Well, more interesting is the size |
| 07:03.43 | zakkm | ohh |
| 07:03.44 | acydlord | swap partitions are so 1996 |
| 07:03.50 | zakkm | wanted to ask if you dont mind |
| 07:03.53 | AStorm | swapfiles are just as fast... unless there is hibernation... |
| 07:04.10 | zakkm | if i leave my nokia idle, does it matter that i leave stuff open much |
| 07:04.14 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, hmm, indeed |
| 07:04.19 | AStorm | a bit too large |
| 07:04.19 | zakkm | or should i close everything, if leaving it for more than like 20min |
| 07:04.32 | AStorm | zakkm, shouldn't |
| 07:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, too large for what, though? 512MB of RAM? :P |
| 07:04.42 | acydlord | i've left it idle with crap running for days |
| 07:04.48 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, no, for the mmc chip |
| 07:05.05 | AStorm | they must've added a new one... |
| 07:05.24 | AStorm | so, the next device will have 3G internal mem and 512 MB ram |
| 07:05.25 | acydlord | i'm sad my n810 doesnt have the epicly huge operating time on battery it had for the firt week after i got it back from repairs |
| 07:05.28 | zakkm | cause im thinking its better to get things from systray |
| 07:05.33 | zakkm | than to open them |
| 07:05.34 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, well, that all adds up to 2.75GB, so it's certainly bigger than the N810's. :P |
| 07:05.50 | zakkm | 512mb ram |
| 07:05.51 | zakkm | wtf |
| 07:05.53 | AStorm | n900? Ä:P |
| 07:05.56 | zakkm | that would run maemo so well :P |
| 07:06.00 | zakkm | 3420 and 512mb ram ;p |
| 07:06.13 | AStorm | that would run full Xfce well |
| 07:06.15 | zakkm | forget optimizations :) |
| 07:06.20 | zakkm | screw xfce ;p |
| 07:06.31 | AStorm | xfce is nicer for small screen |
| 07:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | There's a variety of other plausible explanations, of course, but it does suggest more than 256MB |
| 07:06.35 | AStorm | tested myself |
| 07:06.37 | zakkm | hello ipod touch like interface :P lol |
| 07:06.48 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, yup, like, hibernation |
| 07:06.59 | AStorm | zakkm, nah, better |
| 07:07.00 | acydlord | if i wanted an ipod touch like interface i'd buy an ipod touch :p |
| 07:07.12 | zakkm | lol |
| 07:07.14 | AStorm | ipod touch has a mediocre interface |
| 07:07.16 | acydlord | i just need to afford the n97 to stuck in my pocket with my n810 |
| 07:07.33 | AStorm | n900 with gprs quad modem? |
| 07:07.37 | AStorm | gimme! |
| 07:07.52 | AStorm | (and don't lose wifi) |
| 07:07.57 | AStorm | (or bluetooth) |
| 07:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | N97 fails to excite |
| 07:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | Symbian just plain sucks |
| 07:08.15 | AStorm | welll... yes |
| 07:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, a Nokia exec mentioned Linux as a possible alternative to Symbian for Nokia's high-end phones in the future |
| 07:08.49 | acydlord | well it would be nicer with maemo |
| 07:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE4B16IO20081202 |
| 07:08.57 | acydlord | but i still like the n97 |
| 07:09.12 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo as it stands right now will suck for phones |
| 07:09.25 | AStorm | not suck enough |
| 07:09.27 | acydlord | so does android, but that doesnt stop anyone |
| 07:09.33 | AStorm | just need a good phone app |
| 07:09.34 | RST38h | Why would it suck? |
| 07:09.46 | AStorm | something for sms/mms |
| 07:09.46 | RST38h | AStorm <-- correct |
| 07:09.49 | AStorm | and calls |
| 07:10.07 | AStorm | decent contacts app too |
| 07:10.14 | AStorm | rest is already there |
| 07:10.15 | acydlord | lol, even if it did sms and no calls i'ditch my phone |
| 07:10.19 | RST38h | You can't suck harder as a phone than WinMobile. Yet, it is everywhere. |
| 07:10.30 | AStorm | :> |
| 07:10.33 | zakkm | microb javascript needs to be faster ;p |
| 07:10.49 | AStorm | zakkm, next device will have OMAP 3 |
| 07:10.56 | AStorm | so, the point is moot :P |
| 07:10.58 | zakkm | i cant afford it |
| 07:10.59 | acydlord | RST38h, apple sure is trying hard |
| 07:11.03 | zakkm | only got n800 cause i found it for $145 |
| 07:11.08 | AStorm | heh |
| 07:11.19 | AStorm | then port a webkit broser |
| 07:11.24 | AStorm | *browser |
| 07:11.33 | RST38h | Webkit has been ported to Maemo already |
| 07:11.39 | zakkm | theres tear or something |
| 07:11.43 | RST38h | yep |
| 07:11.49 | AStorm | hmm? oh... link? |
| 07:11.55 | RST38h | google? =) |
| 07:12.02 | GeneralAntilles | Or wait for MicroB to be upgraded to a recent Firefox release |
| 07:12.22 | RST38h | General: People who tried the beta say it is not significantly better |
| 07:12.24 | zakkm | should i wait for fennec/microb update? |
| 07:12.25 | AStorm | and flash too? |
| 07:12.28 | RST38h | Crashier - yes |
| 07:12.39 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, er, which beta? :\ |
| 07:12.44 | RST38h | Fennec |
| 07:12.48 | zakkm | i want to be able to use google docs, and it doesnt quite seem worth it the speed its at now |
| 07:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Fennec != MicroB |
| 07:13.03 | AStorm | I haven't noticed Fennec crashing |
| 07:13.06 | GeneralAntilles | and it's not beta yet |
| 07:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | Fennec is just about to hit alpha 2 |
| 07:13.19 | GeneralAntilles | which should have a lot of performance improvements. |
| 07:13.20 | AStorm | although its "springy" ui is annoying |
| 07:13.23 | RST38h | General: Well, you asked about the most recent FF release and it does not get recentlier than fennec =) |
| 07:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I didn't "ask" anything |
| 07:13.39 | AStorm | I enable the bars instead of scrolling often |
| 07:13.39 | zakkm | i like microb :( |
| 07:13.39 | RST38h | ok ok |
| 07:13.43 | zakkm | except speed of course |
| 07:13.49 | zakkm | but the buttons and all |
| 07:13.51 | AStorm | microb could use autozoom |
| 07:13.57 | RST38h | won't argue semantic details with a wikipedian :() |
| 07:14.01 | AStorm | other than that, it's fine |
| 07:14.41 | RST38h | MicroB flash plugin times itself by busy-looping on gettimeofday() |
| 07:14.52 | AStorm | yup |
| 07:15.02 | zakkm | feature and ui, microb is fine :) |
| 07:15.09 | zakkm | hates speed of microb ;p |
| 07:15.18 | AStorm | speed is ok |
| 07:15.19 | RST38h | And, also, "fit to width" feature has to be fixed (but not removed, hopefully) |
| 07:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's gone in Fremantle |
| 07:15.28 | AStorm | your webpages just suck :> |
| 07:15.28 | RST38h | Speed is fine withme |
| 07:15.37 | RST38h | General: that will suck. |
| 07:15.38 | zakkm | lol |
| 07:15.46 | RST38h | Not generally, but for a few pages =( |
| 07:15.49 | zakkm | would like to goto google docs on it, and engadget |
| 07:15.52 | zakkm | and no im not rss reading |
| 07:15.55 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, did they at least add fenneclike zoom? |
| 07:16.00 | zakkm | whats with the android 1.0 on n800 ? |
| 07:16.07 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, we don't have any UI details yet. |
| 07:16.08 | AStorm | zakkm, engadget is ok |
| 07:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | But, presumably, they're not stupid. :P |
| 07:16.35 | RST38h | General: The main usage case for the fit-to-width is really zooming (for better readability) and still having the whole page |
| 07:16.49 | RST38h | So, that one will be gone in Fremantle |
| 07:17.09 | RST38h | has some doubts about the "not stupid" part but will not elaborate. |
| 07:17.34 | AStorm | hm |
| 07:18.03 | AStorm | it was a nice, although slow, feature |
| 07:18.30 | zakkm | thinks there is too much hype about fremantle, |
| 07:18.37 | RST38h | what hype? |
| 07:18.56 | zakkm | i saw on itt forum how like how bugs supposely say like "fixed in fremantle" |
| 07:19.05 | RST38h | if you mean "will be all fixed in fremantle" claims, they are neither hype nor right |
| 07:19.05 | AStorm | it probably will be as nice as expected |
| 07:19.08 | zakkm | and then like new browser for fremantle.. right now |
| 07:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, right, that idiotic thread. |
| 07:19.26 | RST38h | is pretty sure a lot of things will actually get broken in fremantle with no recourse |
| 07:19.35 | AStorm | yup |
| 07:19.47 | zakkm | bugs have to happen with so many packages and even in one package |
| 07:19.50 | AStorm | so, there will be a few bugfix releases |
| 07:20.05 | RST38h | like...2? or 3? :) |
| 07:20.18 | zakkm | i want performance improvements :) |
| 07:20.20 | AStorm | releases, yes |
| 07:20.24 | AStorm | upgrades, more |
| 07:20.25 | zakkm | though i think mer will beat fremantle release |
| 07:20.32 | zakkm | making fremantle release quite worthless lol |
| 07:20.32 | AStorm | nah |
| 07:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, Mer wont have Fremantle's UI. |
| 07:20.43 | RST38h | zakkm: and you call fremantle "hype"? |
| 07:20.57 | zakkm | they changing the ui? |
| 07:20.58 | AStorm | I just hope they'll bash skype to make 2.x build for armel |
| 07:21.06 | AStorm | some |
| 07:21.12 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, quite radically |
| 07:21.23 | zakkm | any screenshots |
| 07:21.25 | zakkm | or mockups? |
| 07:21.29 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, no. |
| 07:21.37 | zakkm | so hype? :P |
| 07:21.45 | RST38h | zakkm: the best approximation is probably Moblin |
| 07:21.47 | GeneralAntilles | :roll: |
| 07:21.48 | AStorm | hm, so, stupid left bar going away finally? |
| 07:21.55 | RST38h | How close approximation we do not know |
| 07:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, likely. |
| 07:22.16 | RST38h | Hey, leave that left bar alone! |
| 07:22.25 | AStorm | it's pointless |
| 07:22.33 | AStorm | app list is on button |
| 07:22.44 | AStorm | only menus have to be moved |
| 07:22.48 | zakkm | wow |
| 07:22.52 | zakkm | moblin looks pretty cool |
| 07:23.50 | zakkm | oh wow its so late |
| 07:23.54 | zakkm | going to bed, night guys! :P |
| 07:24.29 | RST38h | Oil <$40/barrel hehehehe |
| 07:24.30 | AStorm | oh wow, it's so early here ;) |
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| 07:26.00 | AStorm | personally, I'd have the menus on some button |
| 07:27.22 | AStorm | and hopefully n9xx will have the dpad in a more accessible place... or better kinetic scrolling |
| 07:27.26 | Proteous | you and your button fetish |
| 07:27.37 | Proteous | no buttons FTW |
| 07:27.44 | Proteous | just put a button behind the screen... |
| 07:27.58 | AStorm | hm? :P |
| 07:28.03 | Proteous | mind controlled n9xx!! |
| 07:28.29 | AStorm | heh, I at least tried to be serious |
| 07:29.06 | Proteous | *interupting serious talk since 1995* |
| 07:29.21 | AStorm | oh, and a hardware reset |
| 07:29.37 | AStorm | it is unfortunately sometimes required |
| 07:29.50 | Proteous | not as required as my need for doorstops |
| 07:30.08 | Proteous | so many doors so little expensive electronic devices to hold them open |
| 07:31.16 | AStorm | use books, they're cheaper |
| 07:31.55 | Proteous | no no, I only use dead exspensive electronic devices |
| 07:35.20 | AStorm | btw, are there some fennec nightly builds around? |
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| 07:35.54 | AStorm | in a nice .deb form |
| 07:36.08 | Proteous | and a side of milk and cookies |
| 07:36.23 | Proteous | oatmeal cookies would be a plus |
| 07:37.54 | AStorm | are you off your meds or something? :p |
| 07:38.09 | Proteous | heh, sorry |
| 07:41.37 | Proteous | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430200 |
| 07:41.39 | Proteous | happy? |
| 07:42.47 | AStorm | I noticed a google group thread too :> |
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| 07:46.44 | gnuton | 'morning |
| 07:46.53 | Proteous | mornin |
| 07:50.03 | jrayhawk | Once Linux acquires USB support for it, the Emotiv EPOC would enable mind control of your Nokia. |
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| 08:03.27 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 08:03.44 | AStorm | fennec works better than I thought after ondemand fixes |
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| 08:09.57 | AStorm | and it crashed... oh well |
| 08:09.59 | AStorm | :P |
| 08:10.24 | qwerty12 | as you say that, nautilus crashes... |
| 08:12.53 | RST38h | Hildonized Nautilus? |
| 08:13.09 | qwerty12 | hehe, nautilus on my desktop |
| 08:13.44 | AStorm | and another crash... drat |
| 08:13.58 | AStorm | I really need a newer nightly |
| 08:14.51 | AStorm | probably crashes due to malloc failure :P |
| 08:16.21 | AStorm | it takes 31 MB and also enlarges Xomap |
| 08:19.21 | RST38h | Subject: EnLaRGE YouR XoMAP! |
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| 08:30.29 | liri | heya |
| 08:34.42 | AStorm | btw, where are fennec tinderbox builds stored? |
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| 08:45.31 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 08:48.03 | Stskeeps | you know it's saturday morning when you start typing in your irc nickname as login for mail services instead |
| 08:49.24 | qwerty12 | jumps for joy as he fixes the stand on his n800 |
| 08:49.30 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 08:49.35 | Stskeeps | glue and ducttape? :P |
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| 08:49.42 | liri | does kdepimpi supports sync'ing with google for calendar/contacts? |
| 08:49.55 | FreeSoul | hi guys :) can anybody tell me the bogomips that Nokia N810 cpu has? |
| 08:49.56 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no, just forcing the screw down and turning the screw with my finger :D |
| 08:50.40 | Stskeeps | FreeSoul: mine says 397.46 atm |
| 08:50.43 | qwerty12 | FreeSoul, 397.46 when it's running at its highest speed |
| 08:50.55 | FreeSoul | qwerty12: perfect!!!! |
| 08:51.15 | FreeSoul | and other question: does anybody of you knows who ported android to the N810? |
| 08:51.34 | Stskeeps | points to qwerty12, solca, .. other insane people |
| 08:52.29 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I did the old port (with code that wasn't mine) :). I think freesoul is talking about the NthCode as that is the one that is talked about as I don't solca talked about his one much :/ |
| 08:52.33 | qwerty12 | FreeSoul, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247259 |
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| 08:55.05 | FreeSoul | guys I can explain my problem... maybe you can address me. I've a Benq MID S6 that runs on an Intel Atom (x86) cpu and it comes with Midinux. It's linux but as linux user I can't sopport to use such a bad designed software. It comes with kernel 2.6.18-22 and all drivers, kernel, and all software is opensource. I need someone to port drivers to a more recent kernel like 2.6.25 to run android or an decent linux distribution. Can anybod |
| 08:55.30 | Stskeeps | please split up your sentences.. |
| 08:55.41 | FreeSoul | Stskeeps: ok sorry |
| 08:56.18 | FreeSoul | the idea is this: i've kernel 2.6.18-22 and full drivers opensource. I need to port the drivers to a recent kernel like the 2.6.25 |
| 08:56.29 | AStorm | FreeSoul, android is for arm afaicr |
| 08:56.41 | AStorm | which drivers? |
| 08:58.04 | FreeSoul | AStorm: touchscreen, poulsbo, wifi, gsensor, and so on... some are allready supported... but wifi for example is not, neither the hsdpa module |
| 08:58.23 | RST38h | FreeSoul: What is the problem then? Port the drivers and be happy |
| 08:58.32 | AStorm | are these binary drivers? |
| 08:58.42 | AStorm | RST38h, easier to say than do |
| 08:58.49 | FreeSoul | AStorm: yes but I've also the source code |
| 08:59.22 | AStorm | I could help you if I had time to spare :/ |
| 08:59.31 | AStorm | but, now, not |
| 08:59.35 | RST38h | AStorm: well, that it a beauty of open source - he has all the source code so he can easily port it |
| 08:59.42 | RST38h | ;) |
| 08:59.49 | AStorm | s/easily// |
| 08:59.50 | AStorm | :P |
| 08:59.58 | AStorm | it's code for kernel 6 versions old |
| 09:00.12 | Stskeeps | FreeSoul: did you check if someone else ported it? wouldn't surprise me |
| 09:00.17 | FreeSoul | RST38h: i've never developed anything for the kernel... it's not all tat easy |
| 09:00.18 | AStorm | sorry, 8 versions now |
| 09:00.27 | FreeSoul | Stskeeps: yeah, nobody :( |
| 09:00.32 | RST38h | AStorm: Whether he his professionally capable is a different thing |
| 09:00.38 | RST38h | ;) |
| 09:00.47 | RST38h | FreeSoul: Oh well, then use XP |
| 09:01.02 | AStorm | on atom? mwhahaha...hahah |
| 09:01.05 | FreeSoul | RST38h: i prefer to commit suicide instead of use xp |
| 09:01.07 | AStorm | on a mid |
| 09:01.17 | RST38h | The way I see it you have three options: |
| 09:01.18 | AStorm | even xp mobile would be hard |
| 09:01.20 | FreeSoul | RST38h: and I dunno what to do with a windows pc.... |
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| 09:01.24 | Stskeeps | FreeSoul: how is your battery time on midlinux? |
| 09:01.26 | Stskeeps | .. just curious |
| 09:01.34 | RST38h | 1) port drivers to the newer kernel 2) use XP 3) commit suicide |
| 09:01.43 | RST38h | Choose one |
| 09:01.48 | AStorm | r) pay someone to port the drivers |
| 09:01.55 | AStorm | 4) |
| 09:01.58 | RST38h | Yea, correct |
| 09:02.04 | Stskeeps | m) be test puppy for Mer on i386 |
| 09:02.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:02.14 | Stskeeps | ponders why X doesn't start |
| 09:02.24 | AStorm | nah, kernel doesn't have drivers |
| 09:02.32 | AStorm | Stskeeps, did you change the kernel? |
| 09:02.42 | FreeSoul | Stskeeps: if you keep touchscreen light down (low, i don't mean switched off) it can last for 5 hours i think... of course it depends on the usage of networking you do... it's not a really long charge... but it's acceptable |
| 09:02.43 | Stskeeps | AStorm: not yet |
| 09:02.48 | AStorm | if so, you have to rebuild Xomap vs its headers... |
| 09:03.04 | AStorm | or at least video driver |
| 09:04.14 | Stskeeps | AStorm: -omapfb driver |
| 09:04.19 | Stskeeps | but i suspect i might know why now |
| 09:04.43 | FreeSoul | brb sorry |
| 09:05.03 | AStorm | Stskeeps, do you have a mer build env done in a nice download form? |
| 09:05.17 | AStorm | like, click and build? :P |
| 09:06.12 | Stskeeps | AStorm: sdk or image builder? :P right now it's a strange system of shell scripts, on bzr lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager :P |
| 09:06.21 | AStorm | guess I'd have to revisit debian packaging |
| 09:06.47 | AStorm | sdk |
| 09:07.06 | Stskeeps | ah, then no - we need someone to tinker with sb2 properly |
| 09:07.12 | Stskeeps | or sb1 for that sake |
| 09:07.25 | AStorm | need to build a bunch of debs and sbox is horrible |
| 09:07.28 | AStorm | hmm |
| 09:08.05 | Stskeeps | we primarily native-build atm, but wouldn't mind sb2 going as well :P |
| 09:08.50 | AStorm | native-build is ok |
| 09:09.07 | Stskeeps | as armel builds are deadly slow |
| 09:09.19 | AStorm | as long as the app is small enough... :/ |
| 09:09.52 | FreeSoul | AStorm: can i write you privately? |
| 09:10.02 | AStorm | sure, /msg away |
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| 09:18.33 | Stskeeps | morning, lcuk |
| 09:18.46 | lcuk | urgleburgle |
| 09:19.16 | lcuk | hiya sts |
| 09:19.50 | qwerty12 | <3's his dirty hack to maemo-gtk for permanent wrap around menus |
| 09:19.53 | qwerty12 | hi lcuk |
| 09:20.12 | lcuk | nice qwerty |
| 09:20.44 | Stskeeps | what do you mean by wrap around menus, btw? |
| 09:21.04 | qwerty12 | by pressing up when at the top of a menu, it goes to the bottom and vice versa |
| 09:21.15 | qwerty12 | instead of staying stuck at the top when pressing up |
| 09:21.40 | qwerty12 | compare pressing up in a menu on the tablet and pressing up in a menu on a gtk program on the computer |
| 09:21.47 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:21.51 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:22.17 | lcuk | willy wonka menus. theres more stuff past the top floor |
| 09:22.55 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, seems nokia or gtk people have a thing against libtool too: " -e 's/^hardcode_libdir_flag_spec.*$$/hardcode_libdir_flag_spec=" -D__LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL__ "/' \" :P |
| 09:23.53 | Stskeeps | mm, sortof |
| 09:25.55 | Stskeeps | i have a weird screenshot on my hildon and i'm not 100% sure it's because of an error |
| 09:26.29 | Stskeeps | cos it vaguely makes sense |
| 09:27.01 | Stskeeps | sec, taking a scrshot :P |
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| 09:27.37 | lcuk | Stskeeps, ive been having that sort of feeling for months |
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| 09:27.59 | lcuk | widget number 1 is taking shape nicely |
| 09:28.06 | Stskeeps | lo meiz |
| 09:29.46 | lcuk | mmmm topless skydivers |
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| 09:34.31 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png |
| 09:35.52 | lcuk | heh Stskeeps thats b0rkened |
| 09:36.03 | lcuk | is part of it the default x11 core background |
| 09:36.23 | Stskeeps | lcuk: it's broken yes, but it's funny how hildon puts the widgets |
| 09:36.46 | Stskeeps | especially because the version we're basing on is for fremantle.. |
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| 09:37.20 | lcuk | o.O |
| 09:38.36 | Stskeeps | how does N97 interface look like again when on the side? |
| 09:39.19 | aquatix | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/ |
| 09:39.48 | lcuk | i dunno, but i have started keeping my nokia in portrait and all my tests are going for automatic rotations |
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| 09:40.25 | aquatix | Stskeeps: http://www.engadget.com/tag/N97/ has some more |
| 09:40.42 | lcuk | http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/1196504/ |
| 09:40.44 | Stskeeps | AStorm: if i didn't know better these two screenshots are similar.. |
| 09:40.46 | Stskeeps | er |
| 09:40.48 | Stskeeps | aquatix: |
| 09:41.17 | Stskeeps | tries to see where the difference is |
| 09:42.07 | aquatix | Stskeeps: which two exactly? |
| 09:42.34 | Stskeeps | aquatix: well i just ran a hildon-desktop which is tagged for fremantle |
| 09:42.39 | Stskeeps | and the layout is different than usua |
| 09:42.39 | Stskeeps | l |
| 09:42.47 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png |
| 09:42.59 | aquatix | yeah, saw it |
| 09:43.01 | Stskeeps | k |
| 09:43.16 | Stskeeps | with two desktop bars and an area below |
| 09:43.24 | aquatix | and you mean that it looks like n97? |
| 09:43.36 | Stskeeps | yeah, well, structure wise |
| 09:43.40 | Stskeeps | obviously not as pretty right now :P |
| 09:43.46 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:43.47 | aquatix | indeed |
| 09:43.51 | aquatix | interesting |
| 09:44.14 | aquatix | checks the videos from the 2nd of december |
| 09:44.41 | lcuk | the ui looks bad - she keeps doing that horrid unintuitive side swipe http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-n97-video-hands-on/ |
| 09:45.01 | aquatix | looking at that now |
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| 09:45.12 | aquatix | that side swipe doesn't have an animation |
| 09:45.16 | aquatix | which makes it weird |
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| 09:45.23 | aquatix | in the demo video there was an animation |
| 09:45.36 | aquatix | then it suddenly makes sense |
| 09:45.45 | RST38h | lcuk: this is not the final UI |
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| 09:46.06 | aquatix | i think they are still working on the transitions and such |
| 09:46.07 | lcuk | mine isnt either, but its sensible |
| 09:46.53 | RST38h | yours does not qualify for UI yet =) |
| 09:47.13 | RST38h | unless I have missed some update =) |
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| 09:47.37 | lcuk | why? because i chose to build apps in it which interested me and decided not to do a media player? |
| 09:48.27 | RST38h | you decided to skip the ui |
| 09:48.38 | RST38h | implemented features but no ui |
| 09:48.40 | lcuk | yes, and got on with using it |
| 09:48.41 | aquatix | well, it doesn't have a UI environment, like for example a fixed menu or status bar or a small navigation bar |
| 09:49.24 | aquatix | lcuk: if i want to do something else in liqbase, i have to go back to the main menu first |
| 09:49.45 | aquatix | and there's no good way to see immediately in what app i'm in |
| 09:49.47 | aquatix | just saying :) |
| 09:49.48 | RST38h | a strip of icons (like in a digital camera) is all I have been asking for :) |
| 09:49.52 | aquatix | likes liqbase a lot |
| 09:50.29 | lcuk | would take notes, but liqbase is in pieces |
| 09:50.37 | RST38h | context dependent and overlayed onto the screen |
| 09:50.51 | aquatix | lcuk: :) |
| 09:51.02 | aquatix | gives lcuk some paper and a pencil |
| 09:51.04 | lcuk | cant we just extend the screen so its not overlayed |
| 09:51.05 | aquatix | runs, hard |
| 09:51.16 | aquatix | s/hard/fast |
| 09:51.22 | lcuk | aquatix, no need, i have pad infront of me |
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| 09:52.11 | lcuk | wants to replace that with a tablet |
| 09:52.30 | lcuk | also wants to replace his pinboard |
| 09:53.18 | aquatix | doesn't have a pinboard, and only now and then uses paper |
| 09:53.35 | aquatix | maybe i should use my n810 more for drawing |
| 09:53.44 | lcuk | i only use paper when i cant fit my ideas onto nokia |
| 09:54.08 | lcuk | and even then when ive finished i copy whats on paper onto nokia - i wish it was automatic digital transfer tho |
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| 09:54.41 | aquatix | it'd need a semi-highres camera and some ocr |
| 09:55.36 | lcuk | no, it just needs me havign a slate :) |
| 09:55.47 | lcuk | and an asus top as my desktop monitor |
| 09:55.52 | lcuk | and something else on the wall |
| 09:56.13 | lcuk | spits on bitmaps |
| 09:56.22 | lcuk | strokes ummm strokes |
| 09:56.30 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:56.33 | aquatix | vectors++ |
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| 09:58.09 | lcuk | i see in the videos of the 97 its same kind of touchscreen as ours, ie not iphoneesq |
| 09:58.34 | aquatix | yeah, resistive |
| 09:58.50 | lcuk | the demo vids are done with fingernails - which makes me smile |
| 09:58.56 | lcuk | cos that means stylus will work |
| 09:58.58 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:59.17 | lcuk | ponders liqbase elsewhere |
| 10:00.21 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: can you pastebin your /etc/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf for me? |
| 10:00.33 | FreeSoul | which sw do you use if you need to hand write something? i mean, don't hand writing recognition, just drawing or writing... to use the touchscreen to take notes |
| 10:01.05 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/d617737aa |
| 10:01.18 | lcuk | FreeSoul, liqbase |
| 10:01.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, definately different |
| 10:01.36 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ or (and) http://liqbase.net/ |
| 10:02.04 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://rafb.net/p/bfSLCg90.html (mers) |
| 10:02.39 | FreeSoul | thanks lcuk |
| 10:02.41 | aquatix | FreeSoul: liqbase works a lot better than the included Sketch |
| 10:02.49 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ooh. I guess the Rx-51 is getting a resolution upgrade... |
| 10:03.15 | lcuk | is so pleased he finally sussed out colored font rendering |
| 10:03.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what makes you think that? |
| 10:03.59 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, X-Size-Width=480 from my N800 which has a res of 800x480 and X-Size-Width=800 from your file |
| 10:04.10 | FreeSoul | aquatix: unfortnuately i've no a nokia tablet... i need a sw like this for my mid |
| 10:04.12 | lcuk | orientation |
| 10:04.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, orientation |
| 10:04.26 | qwerty12 | skeen |
| 10:04.29 | qwerty12 | hangs head in shame |
| 10:04.39 | Stskeeps | still interesting though |
| 10:04.43 | lcuk | FreeSoul, which OS are you using? |
| 10:04.52 | Stskeeps | this one has been 17 months in making |
| 10:05.08 | FreeSoul | lcuk: midinux (a mid version of red flag linux) |
| 10:05.13 | lcuk | publically flogs qwerty |
| 10:05.22 | FreeSoul | lcuk: it runs on rpm |
| 10:06.23 | lcuk | FreeSoul, i havent done much testing with liqbase on anything other than maemo (its developed entirely on device and VERY specific for it) theres an x86 build mode which removes the maemo specifics but im not sure it will work - are there no other general linux sketching tools arouns? |
| 10:07.12 | lcuk | will also make a note of looking in other communities for software in future ;) |
| 10:07.51 | FreeSoul | lcuk: :) |
| 10:10.47 | Stskeeps | Xournal |
| 10:10.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:11.00 | lcuk | http://flickr.com/photos/jsmanrique/3086624756/sizes/o/ |
| 10:11.15 | Stskeeps | what's more important, horizontal space or vertical space? |
| 10:11.23 | lcuk | mmm that address book looks familiar |
| 10:11.32 | Stskeeps | for browsing, for instance |
| 10:12.18 | lcuk | i cant use vnc or read things in widescreen |
| 10:12.22 | lcuk | much |
| 10:12.36 | lcuk | for some reason portrait is better for experience |
| 10:12.44 | aquatix | Stskeeps: i like widescreen better for browsing |
| 10:12.48 | aquatix | 480px is too narrow |
| 10:13.40 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/newhildon2.png |
| 10:13.53 | lcuk | ewww letterbox |
| 10:14.15 | Stskeeps | lcuk: in their defense this doesn't have a proper theme on it |
| 10:14.15 | aquatix | Stskeeps: that's a lot of chrome wasting screen real estate imho |
| 10:14.22 | lcuk | but WOW you have a browser in there |
| 10:14.43 | Stskeeps | aquatix: can always go fullscreen |
| 10:15.04 | aquatix | Stskeeps: of course, but maemo by default already has more space available for it |
| 10:15.06 | Stskeeps | aquatix: i'm on plankton theme though, so it might look ugly :P |
| 10:15.23 | aquatix | i'm ignoring the looks :) |
| 10:15.39 | aquatix | barely ;) |
| 10:15.54 | lcuk | squint a bit and look past them |
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| 10:21.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what version of hildon-desktop? |
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| 10:22.03 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, 1:2.0.18-1fix1 |
| 10:23.18 | Stskeeps | ok.. cos that's funny, the source package put out has different desktop.conf |
| 10:23.48 | qwerty12 | meh, maybe its been modified when hildon desktop runs in safe mode |
| 10:24.29 | Stskeeps | mm, true |
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| 10:25.10 | Stskeeps | or that it was part of an SSU and hence everyone had proper themes already in .osso |
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| 10:26.16 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, well, here's the one from the latest ssu: http://pastebin.com/d511abe95 |
| 10:27.01 | Stskeeps | yeah, i just realized src package doesn't match deb on the repo |
| 10:28.38 | Stskeeps | nm |
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| 10:38.02 | lardman | morning |
| 10:38.14 | qwerty12 | hi lardman |
| 10:38.25 | lardman | hi qwerty12, how's things |
| 10:38.37 | qwerty12 | all good here, thanks :) |
| 10:42.02 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: my worry is that it might not work sanely without BME (charging battery).. |
| 10:42.19 | Stskeeps | "my nokia exploded in my pocket because i installed android on it!" |
| 10:42.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:42.47 | lardman | Stskeeps: it probably just won't charge |
| 10:43.01 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: My n810 did not blow up, it was charging many hourswith android running |
| 10:43.05 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:43.06 | lardman | which might make forays into Android reasonably brief |
| 10:43.16 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: solcas or? |
| 10:43.52 | Meizirkki | Solcas |
| 10:44.01 | Meizirkki | Solcas and roi |
| 10:44.03 | Meizirkki | d |
| 10:44.06 | Meizirkki | is better |
| 10:45.25 | qwerty12 | Did solca upload the patch set? The only thing stopping me from trying is that the touchscreen isn't functional unless you patch the ts2301 driver |
| 10:45.33 | qwerty12 | *functional for N800 |
| 10:45.39 | Meizirkki | will flash back to diablos kernel... (waiting for solca to upload kernel with working wifi |
| 10:47.05 | Meizirkki | Maemo did not boot... |
| 10:47.07 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 10:47.32 | Meizirkki | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.36 | Meizirkki | *now |
| 10:48.10 | Stskeeps | with new oro ld kernel? |
| 10:48.24 | Stskeeps | s/o ld/old |
| 10:51.08 | lardman | hmm, maemo bugs has gone tu |
| 10:51.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, downtime today |
| 10:51.22 | lardman | ah |
| 10:51.36 | lardman | should remember to read the notices from time to time... :) |
| 10:51.38 | lardman | thanks |
| 10:52.28 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: I flashed back to diablos original kernel |
| 10:53.05 | Meizirkki | it would be cool if solcas kernel would work with maemo |
| 10:53.15 | Meizirkki | :P |
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| 10:55.05 | Stskeeps | with a bit of hacking it possibly could |
| 10:55.10 | Stskeeps | but with the new wifi driver |
| 10:55.49 | Meiz_n810 | Is the new wifi driver better than the old one? |
| 10:55.56 | Stskeeps | depends on definitiion |
| 10:56.06 | Stskeeps | as stable? probably not |
| 10:57.07 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 10:57.51 | Meiz_n810 | what does the RD mode do? |
| 10:58.08 | Meiz_n810 | power up is "faster" |
| 10:58.19 | Meiz_n810 | one short click |
| 10:59.00 | Meiz_n810 | sun works |
| 10:59.07 | Meiz_n810 | su* |
| 10:59.16 | Stskeeps | mm |
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| 11:06.15 | Stskeeps | seperates hildon desktop layout from hildon desktop program. |
| 11:06.34 | Stskeeps | should make it easier to make custom desktop layouts |
| 11:08.32 | Stskeeps | (want widescreen maemo? make a layout!) |
| 11:09.26 | lardman | Meiz_n810: R&D mode also gives the blurb at boot and allows you to use gainroot to gain root |
| 11:11.05 | lcuk | morning lardman |
| 11:12.27 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 11:13.17 | lcuk | damn my phone being out of credit, the one time i actually really want a blt and have a chance of getting one and i cant txt and SOS to tracy |
| 11:14.20 | lardman | lol |
| 11:14.31 | lardman | sms from office to kitchen? |
| 11:14.36 | lardman | couldn't you shout? |
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| 11:14.52 | lcuk | no, shes just finishing work at the shop now - if i wanted a blt i need supplies |
| 11:15.12 | lardman | ah |
| 11:15.34 | lcuk | :D do you wanna send a random text to her askin her to get me bacon? :D |
| 11:15.51 | lardman | lol |
| 11:15.54 | lardman | yeah, if you want |
| 11:16.01 | lardman | why not just phone? |
| 11:16.02 | lcuk | "bring home the bacon" |
| 11:16.08 | lardman | yeah, to Bath! |
| 11:16.13 | lcuk | cos thats miles away |
| 11:16.13 | lardman | mmm, bacon! |
| 11:16.27 | lcuk | and im lazy this mornin |
| 11:16.54 | lardman | http://www.freebiesms.co.uk/ or similar ;) |
| 11:17.03 | lcuk | oooh but wont i get spammed |
| 11:17.07 | lcuk | umm she |
| 11:17.17 | qwerty12 | ~lart scratchbox for still requiring patching of check-lxdialog.sh even in linux omap tree to use make menuconfig |
| 11:17.17 | infobot | plops scratchbox into a giant vat of herring for still requiring patching of check-lxdialog.sh even in linux omap tree to use make menuconfig |
| 11:19.18 | lcuk | lardman, :O " For Messages sent to O2,Orange,3, Vodafone, Virgin Mobile, Guernsey, Jersey, Manx and T-Mobile networks, the recipient will have the option to pay £5 to read the message. " |
| 11:19.35 | lcuk | thats not free |
| 11:19.50 | suihkulokki | qwerty12: you could just make HOSTCC=host-gcc HOSTCXX=host-g++ make menuconfig |
| 11:19.56 | qwerty12 | lcuk, what network is she on? |
| 11:19.59 | Stskeeps | 5 pound to read a message? neat |
| 11:20.12 | lcuk | errrrrr o2 |
| 11:20.14 | lcuk | i think |
| 11:20.22 | qwerty12 | suihkulokki, ah, nice, but my dirty hack seems to be working :D |
| 11:20.24 | lcuk | yeah she is infact |
| 11:20.26 | glass_ | £5?? lol |
| 11:20.32 | qwerty12 | lcuk, damn, you can do it to t-mobile for free :/ |
| 11:20.50 | lcuk | damn |
| 11:20.56 | glass_ | lcuk: start hunting for some free sms site, they go down pretty quickly but new sites spring up |
| 11:20.56 | lcuk | oh gawd |
| 11:21.04 | lcuk | "dad i done a poo" :| brb |
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| 11:24.21 | lcuk | glass_, ive had exactly one use for them in recent years and that was 5 minutes ago |
| 11:25.22 | lardman | oh sorry, there used to be some completely free ones in the old days |
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| 11:26.00 | glass_ | lardman: there are sometimes now too, but they go down pretty quickly.. |
| 11:26.25 | glass_ | lardman: theres idiots who don't read theis sms gw contracts well enough, or people who abuse some system for a while to pipe them |
| 11:26.37 | lardman | glass_: ok, I just read you comment |
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| 11:33.32 | RST38h | http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/008/12/next_nokia_full_touchscreen_device_leaked.htm |
| 11:33.37 | RST38h | Enjoy |
| 11:34.44 | Stskeeps | N900? |
| 11:35.07 | Stskeeps | or not |
| 11:35.08 | lcuk | is a bit late now since im home ( is mrs lcuk) |
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| 11:35.59 | mavhc | weird url, suffers from the year 3000 problem |
| 11:36.06 | lardman | lcuk: (Mrs) did you bring bacon? |
| 11:36.11 | t_s_o | heh, looks like someone took the samsung ui and slapped it onto a N810 in vertical... |
| 11:36.17 | lardman | lcuk: Gary will be most disappointed if not ;) |
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| 11:37.19 | lcuk | no i didnt had no cash on me for once but anyway he wants a blt which isnt a proper bacon butty |
| 11:37.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: looks interesting but im not sure if it's a tablet or not :P |
| 11:37.33 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 11:37.37 | lardman | hmm, /me needs a built-in keyboard! |
| 11:38.23 | lardman | looks like a phone though, on the rh image you can see it says "calls" and "message" |
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| 11:39.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk: hah @ qole picture :P |
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| 11:53.10 | Stskeeps | so, people with n810s.. what would you prefer your internal MMC to be like? |
| 11:53.16 | liri | did anyone try that pigdin facebook chat plugin for maemo? |
| 11:54.18 | Stskeeps | would you like it to be a ext2 partition, have a swap partition, be the usual place the OS saves your documents, or? |
| 11:54.59 | lcuk | i just want it to be for static pre-installed data - i prefer not to write to it often |
| 11:55.08 | lcuk | ill use the external one for that |
| 11:55.11 | Stskeeps | internal mmc, not flash :P |
| 11:55.17 | lcuk | yes |
| 11:55.28 | lcuk | my 2gb - im happy its for maps mainly |
| 11:55.39 | t_s_o | liri: iirc, it works |
| 11:55.42 | lardman | Stskeeps: not swap! |
| 11:55.59 | lardman | Stskeeps: it can't be replaced |
| 11:56.21 | Stskeeps | is still wondering about nokia's 768mb swap partition on internal MMC |
| 11:56.24 | Meiz_n810 | 2gb internal: 8mb fat, 1gb ext2/3 maemo, 756mb android, 256 swap |
| 11:57.12 | Stskeeps | so you would prefer the OS to be in internal flash, and /home on internal MMC? |
| 11:57.18 | lardman | Stskeeps: really, I've never even tried to enable swap |
| 11:57.38 | liri | t_s_o: good to know, I'll try it |
| 11:57.59 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i want to have OS in internal MMC, because flash is so small |
| 11:58.00 | lardman | Stskeeps: that would be a reasonable solution |
| 11:58.23 | lardman | Meiz_n810: normally the os stuff is small compared to the stuff in home |
| 11:59.04 | liri | whats up with that global communication device |
| 11:59.24 | liri | I always forget the name. the one that replaces the current communication suite with sip and other protocols |
| 11:59.40 | Meiz_n810 | lardman: 256 jffs2 is too small even if /home is in internal MMC |
| 11:59.57 | lardman | ymmv ;) |
| 12:00.05 | lardman | works for me anyway |
| 12:00.11 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: so far we're stuffing 300m in 130mb flash :P |
| 12:00.27 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 12:00.48 | Stskeeps | i would really love something like unionfs.. except that it would fill up internal jffs first, and then flowover to external |
| 12:00.52 | Stskeeps | er, internal mmc partition |
| 12:04.58 | lardman | Stskeeps: is that a problem? |
| 12:05.12 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 12:05.13 | lardman | and also, I presume it could be told which is the primary partition |
| 12:05.19 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:05.24 | qwerty12 | liri, rtcomm |
| 12:06.01 | Stskeeps | i guess something like raid striping, but for fs's :P |
| 12:06.34 | Stskeeps | so you have flash which ideally shouldn't be touched much (taken care of OS to not wear it -too- much), and MMC external |
| 12:06.37 | Stskeeps | or something |
| 12:06.53 | lardman | Stskeeps: I really wouldn'ty worry about the wear thing |
| 12:07.31 | Stskeeps | glances at aufs |
| 12:08.29 | qwerty12 | will always prefer aufs over unionfs on the tablets as you don't need to reflash the kernel |
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| 12:09.45 | lardman | what sort of size jpeg image do you want to be able to decode? |
| 12:09.58 | lardman | must set a limit |
| 12:10.26 | Stskeeps | doesn't people usually make quite big jpgs initially? |
| 12:11.00 | lardman | probably |
| 12:11.05 | lardman | 10Mb? |
| 12:11.34 | lardman | wonders how much memory is actually left |
| 12:11.34 | Stskeeps | mm |
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| 12:20.02 | lardman | looks for a calc that does hex |
| 12:23.12 | Stskeeps | ponders stumbling to the shop and get some lunc |
| 12:23.13 | Stskeeps | h |
| 12:24.55 | lcuk | lardman ./calc 0x20*3 |
| 12:25.37 | lcuk | i was after something similar so me n kot made one with perl ;) |
| 12:25.38 | lcuk | echo $* |
| 12:25.38 | lcuk | pcom="print $*;" |
| 12:25.38 | lcuk | echo `perl -e "$pcom"` |
| 12:25.44 | lardman | lcuk: turns out the standard ubuntu one works nicely |
| 12:25.50 | lcuk | not on device |
| 12:26.03 | lardman | no, but dsp programming is hard on device ;) |
| 12:26.08 | lcuk | agreed |
| 12:26.13 | lcuk | it shouldnt be though |
| 12:26.32 | lardman | no toolchain |
| 12:27.08 | lcuk | :'( |
| 12:27.22 | lardman | I'd prefer to code on a PC tbh |
| 12:27.28 | lcuk | so do i |
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| 12:27.36 | lcuk | and i do |
| 12:27.40 | lcuk | its just i build on device |
| 12:28.00 | lardman | each to his own :) |
| 12:28.12 | lcuk | yeah, but thats the good thing about linux |
| 12:29.16 | lardman | hmm, I wonder how many free tlbs I have.... |
| 12:29.25 | lardman | searches the list for an old post |
| 12:30.00 | lcuk | tlb? aint that an activex type library |
| 12:30.50 | lardman | translation look-aside buffer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_lookaside_buffer |
| 12:31.16 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 12:33.33 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps what is the nit-bootmenu-compat? |
| 12:34.26 | lardman | ~6 it seems |
| 12:35.07 | lcuk | that doesnt sound like a lot, but considering you are already in the most constrained place on the device it doesnt surprise me |
| 12:35.43 | lardman | well that could map 6MB of shared memory |
| 12:36.04 | lardman | though from my previous emails it looks like I had problems mapping more than 1MB at a time |
| 12:39.59 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: former deblet-boot-basics |
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| 13:00.50 | lardman | to the shops! bbl |
| 13:01.32 | AStorm | back from the shops ;) |
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| 13:07.20 | Stskeeps | ;) |
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| 13:38.03 | `Mace_ | wow |
| 13:38.06 | `Mace_ | boswars is very interesting |
| 13:38.30 | `Mace_ | it actually runs haha |
| 13:39.35 | `Mace | wtf |
| 13:39.40 | `Mace | someone registered `mace? :) |
| 13:41.00 | lopz | hola |
| 13:42.11 | lcuk | `Mace, you perhaps? |
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| 14:13.11 | ssvb | trenka: yes :) |
| 14:14.26 | `Mace | boswars is friggin awesome for being something you can play on the n800 |
| 14:14.35 | `Mace | i'm sure it will be a lot better onc ei figure out what all the units do :) |
| 14:14.53 | `Mace | makes one wonder if starcraft 1 could be put on an n800 |
| 14:14.55 | `Mace | looks about the same |
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| 14:54.40 | andre__ | maemo.org Bugzilla Reorganization progress update for those that are interested: Need two hours longer than announced (due to myself, due to Bugzilla code, and due to some Nokians this morning) |
| 14:55.20 | AStorm | Nokians? sounds like aliens |
| 14:55.25 | AStorm | :P |
| 14:55.40 | qwerty12_N800 | I can't live without my bugzilla fix, and you're telling me I have to wait two more hours?!? |
| 14:56.11 | andre__ | qwerty12_N800, basically: yes. relax, get a coffee, realize there's a world out there too. ;-) |
| 14:56.41 | ShadowJK | qwerty12_N800, you should've known there was something fishy when the first hits were free |
| 14:56.44 | solca | hi! |
| 14:56.54 | qwerty12_N800 | andre__, I don't drink tea (or coffee) and bugzilla is my world!!!! |
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| 14:57.05 | solca | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247312 |
| 14:57.06 | qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK, lol |
| 14:57.10 | andre__ | qwerty12_N800, same here. But right now only I have access and you not :-P |
| 14:57.27 | solca | Meiz_n810: ? |
| 14:57.35 | qwerty12_N800 | andre__, hater :P |
| 14:57.41 | andre__ | :-D |
| 14:57.47 | ShadowJK | andre__, you could tease him by posting summaries |
| 14:58.00 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
| 14:58.03 | Meiz_n810 | solca: hi, is wifi working on android? |
| 14:58.10 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, great work! thanks! |
| 14:58.25 | andre__ | gosh, summaries? no, i just want to get this done :) |
| 14:58.41 | solca | Meiz_n810: for me yes but I notice some problems |
| 14:58.45 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 14:58.50 | Meiz_n810 | can i try? |
| 14:58.51 | solca | Meiz_n810: maybe you can check and report |
| 14:58.57 | solca | qwerty12_N800: thx :) |
| 14:58.57 | Meiz_n810 | sure |
| 14:59.09 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, arrgh, the stupid c****. any ideas why they are doing that for? |
| 14:59.15 | Stskeeps | andre__: vodka? :P |
| 14:59.35 | solca | qwerty12_N800: no idea but thats is sad for us |
| 14:59.40 | andre__ | Stskeeps, later, honey, later. :-P |
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| 14:59.59 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, yeah :( |
| 15:00.24 | solca | qwerty12_N800: but if those drivers were working in not a problem for now |
| 15:00.33 | solca | s/in/is/g |
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| 15:01.37 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, i'm not entirely sure those touchscreen drivers being removed affects us |
| 15:02.08 | solca | qwerty12_N800: really? I thought it was the ts for the n800 |
| 15:02.20 | solca | and n800 sound it seems |
| 15:02.31 | qwerty12_N800 | from what I remember, we use ts2301_<something>.c |
| 15:03.12 | qwerty12_N800 | but i only know that from 2.6.21, i don't know if they moved things about :/ |
| 15:04.28 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, yep, no 2301 references in input/touchscreen/omap/omap_ts.c |
| 15:04.44 | solca | qwerty12_N800: uuf |
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| 15:06.24 | qwerty12_N800 | i can't see them removing support for the touchscreen when the drivers for the n800 + n810 are so similar. as for sound, i have no idea |
| 15:06.28 | solca | qwerty12_N800: hmm from reading the changes they remove mixer support from the sound of the tsc2301 |
| 15:07.25 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, i don't get that part :/ |
| 15:08.21 | solca | qwerty12_N800: me neither but superficially I can say that if the code was needed is very easy to revert back those eliminations |
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| 15:08.43 | solca | hopefully those drivers compile in the first place |
| 15:08.48 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, cool :) |
| 15:09.05 | Stskeep | ~curse internet connectio |
| 15:09.05 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, internet connectio ! |
| 15:09.29 | qwerty12_N800 | I'll have to format my sd card again (oh, why did i put so much xvids on it :() |
| 15:10.09 | disco_stu | lol |
| 15:10.34 | Stskeep | "old unused touchscreen drivers", wtf? :P |
| 15:11.27 | solca | Stskeep: that is not very explanatory |
| 15:11.45 | Stskeep | solca: the notice about ts removal in git |
| 15:12.07 | solca | Stskeep: maybe that code didn't compile |
| 15:12.28 | solca | Stskeep: hmm: I have the source code prior to the commits, will check if it compiles... :) |
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| 15:14.25 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, I don't mean to bug, but I get a 404 on the kernel patch. I'd like to try a new android on the n800 with touchscreen :) |
| 15:14.35 | solca | qwerty12_N800: can't find support for TSC2391 |
| 15:14.50 | solca | qwerty12_N800: let me fix it... |
| 15:16.40 | solca | qwerty12_N800: was a typo in the filename, try again |
| 15:16.41 | qwerty12_N800 | :/. Call me nostalgic but when i have something with speakers, it is nice if they can be used :/. Damn linux-omap people |
| 15:16.49 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, ok, thanks |
| 15:17.35 | solca | qwerty12_N800: can't find support for 230x on the touchscreen section |
| 15:17.57 | solca | weird, maybe those drivers didn't were maintained all this time |
| 15:18.18 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah :/ 2.6.21 ftw! |
| 15:18.30 | Meizirkki | is untarring nitdroid |
| 15:19.19 | Stskeeps | wonders what power usage is like on nitdroid |
| 15:19.30 | solca | Meizirkki: this time everything w'll work (nah just kidding) |
| 15:19.41 | Meizirkki | solca: is rd_flags ftill needed |
| 15:19.45 | Meizirkki | *still |
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| 15:19.51 | solca | Meizirkki: no, that is fixed |
| 15:19.57 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 15:20.07 | solca | Stskeeps: it was charging good |
| 15:20.16 | Stskeeps | solca: yeah, well, im talking about battery life |
| 15:20.16 | solca | Stskeeps: but I never measure how it last |
| 15:20.44 | solca | Stskeeps: do you know how to get the battery meters |
| 15:21.08 | solca | how is done that part on maemo currently? |
| 15:21.10 | Stskeeps | kotczarny had a kcbatt |
| 15:21.15 | Stskeeps | it's done through HAL current |
| 15:21.17 | Stskeeps | hald-addon-bme |
| 15:21.29 | Stskeeps | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ |
| 15:21.32 | solca | Stskeeps: is that a zekr3t binary? |
| 15:21.42 | Stskeeps | hald-addon-bme is closed source, yeah |
| 15:22.09 | Meizirkki | i am stucked to the screen with penguin at top corner... |
| 15:22.21 | solca | Stskeeps: that sucks! that means I wil never fix the battery icon |
| 15:22.30 | solca | Meizirkki: for how long? |
| 15:22.40 | Stskeeps | solca: .. hence why we had our non-free repo |
| 15:22.47 | Stskeeps | solca: look at kcbatt.c and make something up |
| 15:23.01 | Meizirkki | solca: ~1min... the it shuts down |
| 15:23.16 | solca | Stskeeps: I don't think so as it uses hal |
| 15:23.17 | Meizirkki | rd-mode is disabled |
| 15:23.22 | Stskeeps | solca: kcbatt.c doesn't |
| 15:23.27 | solca | Meizirkki: hmm weird |
| 15:23.28 | Stskeeps | it talks to tahvo/retu |
| 15:23.45 | solca | Stskeeps: that is a good solution, will take a look |
| 15:23.55 | Stskeeps | but this may not be 100% precise |
| 15:24.04 | solca | Meizirkki: try again, maybe it crashed in the way |
| 15:24.07 | ShadowJK | Somehow I think there's more beyond what kcbatt can extract |
| 15:24.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, after seeing what ftd can drag out |
| 15:24.22 | Meizirkki | solca: i have tried now 4 times... |
| 15:24.22 | ShadowJK | exactly |
| 15:24.33 | Meizirkki | i'll try reflashing the kernbel |
| 15:24.54 | solca | Meizirkki: maybe try the debugging version to see what is going on |
| 15:25.03 | Stskeeps | waits on mer baking |
| 15:25.28 | Meizirkki | solca: ok |
| 15:25.42 | Meizirkki | solca: wait |
| 15:25.50 | Meizirkki | solca: i'll remove the ext-sd |
| 15:25.56 | Meizirkki | might be about it |
| 15:26.25 | solca | Meizirkki: yes, that was the problem yesterday if I remember correctly |
| 15:26.32 | Meizirkki | it boots |
| 15:26.50 | Meizirkki | i wonder why it stucks when ext-sd is inserted... |
| 15:26.50 | solca | Stskeeps: kcbatt reads directly from /dev/retu, that is nice |
| 15:29.06 | Meizirkki | solca: i still fail booting |
| 15:29.23 | Meizirkki | it reboots after a long time |
| 15:29.44 | Meizirkki | android splash stops blinking and then... reboot |
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| 15:31.42 | qwerty12_N800 | solca, hey, is where to boot from a kernel argument? I'm lazy, I don't want to make 2 new partitions :P :) |
| 15:32.40 | solca | qwerty12_N800: no, they are currently wired in the kernel cmdline |
| 15:32.47 | solca | Meizirkki: really? |
| 15:32.53 | Meizirkki | solca: yes |
| 15:32.53 | solca | hmm thats bad |
| 15:33.06 | Meizirkki | sometimes i see hortizontal lines before booting |
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| 15:34.53 | solca | Meizirkki: do you try the debugging kernel? |
| 15:34.59 | Meizirkki | i did |
| 15:35.04 | solca | Meizirkki: what the console say? |
| 15:35.35 | Meizirkki | there is nothing un-usual in console before android-splash comes up |
| 15:36.15 | Meizirkki | it looks like the userspace refuses to start |
| 15:36.29 | Meizirkki | i'll untar the rootfs again |
| 15:36.41 | solca | Meizirkki: do you get to the A N D R O I D part? |
| 15:36.46 | Meizirkki | yers |
| 15:36.50 | Meizirkki | *yes |
| 15:37.05 | solca | then to the animated splash? |
| 15:37.16 | Meizirkki | instead of the main screen i get hortizontal lines |
| 15:37.37 | Meizirkki | yes i see animated splash... |
| 15:37.42 | Meizirkki | i'll untar again |
| 15:38.19 | solca | Meizirkki: maybe I changed too much the blizzard timings |
| 15:38.34 | solca | Meizirkki: will try build another kernel |
| 15:38.49 | Meizirkki | it could be my bad |
| 15:39.13 | solca | Meizirkki: no, it doesnt get to the main screen here too |
| 15:39.19 | solca | wait a minute... |
| 15:39.20 | Meizirkki | okay |
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| 15:45.52 | solca | Meizirkki: it crashed again, will remove my hacks |
| 15:46.15 | solca | Meizirkki: this bug sucks!!! |
| 15:46.32 | Meizirkki | yep |
| 15:47.18 | Meizirkki | doesn't android recuire double/pageflipping framebuffer? |
| 15:47.45 | solca | Meizirkki: yes |
| 15:47.51 | solca | but that is working properly |
| 15:48.01 | solca | what is crashing is the blizzard LCD controller |
| 15:48.13 | solca | not the omapfb |
| 15:48.20 | Meizirkki | ok |
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| 15:49.22 | Meizirkki | could the blizzard LCD controller be used with maemo |
| 15:49.27 | Meizirkki | maybe mer? |
| 15:49.39 | solca | it is used |
| 15:49.44 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 15:50.13 | qwerty12_N800 | Meizirkki, when you watch a film and see it stuttering, you have proof that it's used :) |
| 15:50.24 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 15:50.26 | solca | :) |
| 15:50.38 | solca | Meizirkki: do you have the yesterday kernel? |
| 15:50.44 | Meizirkki | no.. |
| 15:50.59 | solca | hmm, thatm seems more stable that this ones |
| 15:51.08 | Meizirkki | i cleaned up my home directory 2 minutes ago |
| 15:52.16 | solca | too much pulchritude on your side ;) |
| 15:53.14 | Meizirkki | sorry, i do not understand what pulchritude means |
| 15:55.27 | solca | Meizirkki: somebody who demands cleaning very often |
| 15:55.45 | solca | maybe a modism from my side thou... |
| 15:55.51 | Meizirkki | well, thats not true ;P |
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| 15:56.47 | ssvb | qwerty12_N800: no, the problem is because good ARMv6 optimizations are missing in video decoder, blizzard is fast enough |
| 15:56.51 | Meizirkki | even if iclean up, my home directory is still full of s*hit ;) |
| 15:57.10 | Stskeeps | .. like my office |
| 15:57.12 | qwerty12 | ssvb, ah, learn something new every day :) |
| 15:57.17 | solca | Meizirkki: :P |
| 15:57.24 | qwerty12 | I'm sorry epson for all the times I've insulted you |
| 15:57.56 | Meizirkki | solca: i have the yesterdays kernel! |
| 15:58.06 | Meizirkki | i downloaded it to my tablet |
| 15:58.15 | solca | Meizirkki: phewww.... |
| 15:58.21 | solca | try it |
| 15:58.30 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer/Screenshot-1.png <- now we're getting somewhere |
| 15:58.51 | Meizirkki | is flashing yesterdays kernel... |
| 15:59.17 | solca | Stskeeps: it looks closer... |
| 15:59.26 | solca | Stskeeps: by the wasy are there newer tars |
| 15:59.46 | solca | s/wasy/way/g |
| 15:59.54 | Stskeeps | of mer? no, we have a image builder now |
| 16:00.27 | Stskeeps | i'll make some tar.gz's eventually |
| 16:00.35 | Stskeeps | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/imager/files |
| 16:00.48 | Meizirkki | solca: android refuses to boot |
| 16:00.53 | Meizirkki | wait |
| 16:00.57 | Stskeeps | (look at targets/mer-n800-onlyfs, and look back) |
| 16:01.00 | Meizirkki | i forgot the rd-mode |
| 16:02.50 | solca | Stskeeps: so how is the installation now? manually download to a dir and then mass copy to the target? |
| 16:03.29 | Stskeeps | solca: debootstrap required on device, run shellscript which then bakes everything together |
| 16:03.47 | solca | wonders how many more time he have left to flash his kernel partition |
| 16:03.58 | solca | Stskeeps: ah |
| 16:03.59 | Stskeeps | hehe, take out "too many flashes" insurance :P |
| 16:04.08 | Stskeeps | in the mer-n800-Ãonlyfs it just puts everything in the dir you tell it to |
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| 16:04.15 | Stskeeps | another target will generate a rootfs.jffs2, etc |
| 16:04.23 | Stskeeps | .. another will generate one for i386, and so on |
| 16:04.24 | qwerty12 | solca, don't worry about it, you don't want to know how many times I've flashed the kernel & initfs :PP |
| 16:04.27 | qwerty12 | *-P |
| 16:04.56 | solca | qwerty12: belive me, I do at least 1 flash every 5 min |
| 16:05.21 | qwerty12 | hehe, I went through tons of flashes when I was testing the black bootmenu |
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| 16:08.54 | solca | Meizirkki: do you solve something |
| 16:09.47 | Meizirkki | it did not boot with the old kernel and i cannot unmount partition cleanly after untarring because device is busy :( |
| 16:11.01 | Meizirkki | finally it unmounted cleanly |
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| 16:12.54 | solca | Meizirkki: I finally got something stable (until now) |
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| 16:14.55 | Meizirkki | solca: maybe problem in rootfs? |
| 16:15.06 | solca | no, the problem is the kernel |
| 16:15.19 | Meizirkki | android does not boot with the kernel it booted yesterday |
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| 16:15.46 | Meizirkki | i have rd-mode on, no ext-sd inserted... |
| 16:15.52 | Meizirkki | it worked testerday |
| 16:16.24 | solca | Meizirkki: are you trying the rootfs from yesterday or tadays? |
| 16:16.35 | Meizirkki | todays |
| 16:16.59 | Stskeeps | btw, why is it that android always pop up when i start new projects? :> |
| 16:17.05 | Stskeeps | happened with deblet too :> |
| 16:17.11 | Meizirkki | i don't even get the ANDROID to left side of the screen |
| 16:17.32 | solca | ok, display is working good now, will upload new kernels |
| 16:17.35 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: :P |
| 16:17.43 | solca | Stskeeps: :) |
| 16:17.46 | Meizirkki | solca: great :P |
| 16:18.01 | Stskeeps | ponders recompiling the x server |
| 16:18.47 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: Jauntys universe is now pretty big and most of the lxde packages are already built :) |
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| 16:19.54 | solca | Meizirkki: download the normal kernel again |
| 16:20.03 | Meizirkki | okay |
| 16:20.08 | solca | will upload the debugging |
| 16:20.17 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: woo |
| 16:23.26 | Meizirkki | is waiting for android to boot |
| 16:23.47 | solca | qwerty12 or Stskeeps: my kernels uses PREEMPT and NOHZ, that is good for batteries right? |
| 16:24.13 | Stskeeps | nohz is the dyntick stuff? |
| 16:24.20 | solca | Meizirkki: yep |
| 16:24.22 | qwerty12 | solca, no idea. I used a 2.6.21 kernel with preempt though fine with no adverse effects on battery |
| 16:24.33 | solca | Stskeeps: *yep |
| 16:25.09 | Meizirkki | solca: it boots and wifi goes on |
| 16:25.23 | solca | Meizirkki: finally... |
| 16:25.28 | Meizirkki | but it is unable to scan for networks |
| 16:25.53 | Meizirkki | and i can't type ssid because the hw-keyboard does not work :( |
| 16:26.11 | solca | Meizirkki: :( |
| 16:26.39 | solca | it seems I heavy broke the kbd layout |
| 16:26.42 | Meizirkki | nth:s android had working keyboard... but it was buggy comparing to yours |
| 16:27.06 | solca | Meizirkki: but you can remove my kbd layout |
| 16:27.07 | Meizirkki | i mean their android was buggy, not the keyboard |
| 16:27.18 | Meizirkki | solca: what do you mean? |
| 16:27.18 | solca | and it will fallback to normal qwerty |
| 16:27.27 | Meizirkki | how can i remove that |
| 16:27.30 | solca | you need to get into |
| 16:28.14 | Meizirkki | into what? |
| 16:28.16 | Meizirkki | rootfs? |
| 16:28.46 | solca | you need to remove this file: /system/usr/keylayout/Internal_keyboard.kl |
| 16:28.51 | Meizirkki | okay |
| 16:28.58 | solca | you can get in with adb |
| 16:29.09 | solca | and the usb cable |
| 16:29.22 | Meizirkki | solca: btw: thanks for all the help!!! :P |
| 16:29.57 | solca | Meizirkki: no prob, I'm excited that all this effort was not vane |
| 16:38.38 | aquatix | hm, i have the maemo news feed in google reader, but it imports a lot of double articles; every time the score of an article changes, it gets added |
| 16:38.54 | aquatix | some webmaster that can look at that? |
| 16:48.04 | Meizirkki | solca: keyboard still not working :( |
| 16:48.06 | Stskeeps | kulve: how are your manual updates on omapfb these days? |
| 16:48.35 | solca | Meizirkki: do you remove that file |
| 16:48.41 | Meizirkki | i did |
| 16:48.49 | Meizirkki | wait |
| 16:49.00 | solca | and reboot |
| 16:49.02 | Meizirkki | i made some modifications :P |
| 16:50.30 | Meizirkki | solca: where can i get ADB? |
| 16:50.44 | Meizirkki | solca: found it |
| 16:51.40 | solca | Meizirkki: just run it like this: sudo ./adb shell |
| 16:52.21 | Meizirkki | i can not untar it |
| 16:52.32 | Meizirkki | is it only 60kb? |
| 16:53.13 | solca | its not in tar, it is just bzip2ed |
| 16:53.14 | Meizirkki | untarred |
| 16:53.23 | solca | bunzip adb.x86.bz2 |
| 16:53.24 | Meizirkki | that was it :P |
| 16:53.28 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 16:53.32 | Meizirkki | (again) |
| 16:54.36 | solca | Meizirkki: hey WiFi scanning is not working here! |
| 16:54.52 | solca | fixes less than what he brokes |
| 16:55.08 | kulve | Stskeeps: we don't use manual updates I think |
| 16:55.15 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:55.56 | Stskeeps | definately speeds things up, just noticed you had a manual_updates branch, but it seemed to be for xv stuff |
| 16:57.50 | solca | Stskeeps: when trying to implement double buffering in the kernel I found that omapfb does have |
| 16:57.53 | solca | variuos "planes" |
| 16:57.56 | Meizirkki | solca: itold you that it does not work |
| 16:58.07 | solca | for xv |
| 16:58.12 | Meizirkki | solca: when i get kb to work i will manually add ssid |
| 16:58.14 | Stskeeps | solca: yeah |
| 16:58.50 | solca | Stskeeps: I'm getting crashes maybe because the LCD cant cope with double buffering |
| 16:58.55 | Meizirkki | solca: even the qwerty.kl won't work |
| 16:59.24 | Stskeeps | solca: no clue from here :P |
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| 16:59.44 | andre__ | Maemo.org Bugzilla reorganization done. Will go live again in a few minutes. |
| 17:00.00 | andre__ | Should go and buy three kilograms of chocolate now. |
| 17:00.12 | solca | Meizirkki: Stskeeps k, will keep investigating, maybe doing flipping with the planes could solve the whole thing |
| 17:00.22 | solca | Meizirkki: *sorry |
| 17:00.22 | Stskeeps | andre__: and a hello kitty tshirt? |
| 17:00.33 | Meizirkki | solca: no problem |
| 17:00.43 | solca | Meizirkki: there is another file |
| 17:00.57 | andre__ | Stskeeps, with sugar on top, please! YAY! |
| 17:01.05 | solca | Meizirkki: /system/usr/keychars/Internal_keyboard.kcm.bin |
| 17:01.07 | Meizirkki | solca: i should delete it? |
| 17:01.10 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 17:01.18 | solca | yea delete it |
| 17:01.25 | solca | or move it |
| 17:01.38 | solca | but you got to reboot |
| 17:02.13 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 17:02.15 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 17:02.31 | RST38h | andre: Buy it and use it to bribe female clerks |
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| 17:03.09 | andre__ | RST38h, i already have a skirt, isn't that enough? |
| 17:03.21 | Meizirkki | solca: is there a way to mount androids rootfs to one dir in my computer |
| 17:03.29 | Meizirkki | with adb |
| 17:03.30 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 17:03.41 | qwerty12 | whee: http://gitorious.org/projects/stlc45xx/repos/mainline/commits/6235c93f2bb3192364fc44e1819685382c86c428 |
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| 17:04.02 | solca | Meizirkki: dunno, but you can push or pull files at will |
| 17:04.14 | Meizirkki | ok |
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| 17:04.41 | Meizirkki | solca: i have had no fading away problems with this kernel :) |
| 17:05.00 | RST38h | andre: No. Chocolate is just about the best bribing currency though |
| 17:05.18 | solca | Meizirkki: I ocassionally get one when forcing to much redraws |
| 17:05.19 | disco_stu | someone notices difference between class 4 and class 6 mem cards in their tablets ? |
| 17:05.38 | solca | Meizirkki: so Wifi doesnt work |
| 17:05.54 | RST38h | qwerty: This stuff looks suspiciously like firmware |
| 17:05.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: \o/ |
| 17:06.00 | Meizirkki | solca: sure? |
| 17:06.11 | andre__ | writes down the words of wisdom from RST38h |
| 17:06.41 | solca | qwerty12: that is good news |
| 17:06.46 | qwerty12 | RST38h, if it is, you won't hear a word of complaint from me ;P |
| 17:06.54 | solca | wonders how much performance drops from not calibrating |
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| 17:09.13 | RST38h | BTW, gPhone is now sold unlocked, for $400 + $25 for developer registration |
| 17:09.52 | RST38h | In case anybody feels like writing Java apps at the cost of $425... |
| 17:10.16 | AStorm | nah |
| 17:10.31 | AStorm | I wouldn't want to write Java apps even if paid to do so |
| 17:10.39 | AStorm | unless I'd be paid a lot :P |
| 17:11.09 | RST38h | AStorm: There is plenty of people in Mumbai who will be willing to write 'em for less =) |
| 17:11.18 | andre__ | Yay, Bugzilla back up for public. Enjoy the party. I want flames! |
| 17:11.30 | qwerty12 | WOOT WOOT |
| 17:11.41 | AStorm | sets andre__ on fire |
| 17:11.52 | AStorm | you wanted flames, right? |
| 17:11.56 | andre__ | w00t w00t, exactly :) |
| 17:11.58 | RST38h | feels more and more like "I don't give a fuck" when commenting on bugs recently |
| 17:11.59 | t_s_o | burn the heretics! *moahahahahahaha!* |
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| 17:12.18 | RST38h | Not much is gonna happen anyway |
| 17:12.25 | AStorm | RST38h, as to outsourcing, they'll do it worse |
| 17:12.28 | AStorm | :P |
| 17:12.39 | RST38h | AStorm: Ah, nobody cares how java apps are written =) |
| 17:12.53 | RST38h | It is like VB - the standards are pretty low there |
| 17:13.17 | AStorm | that's why I dislike it, with a passion :P |
| 17:13.54 | x29a | cant wait for christmas |
| 17:14.15 | disco_stu | RST38h: thats not true |
| 17:14.20 | AStorm | uhm, no, no more bells |
| 17:14.23 | RST38h | Nobody is gonna tap you to do it though. Eastern Europe prices are higher so the only reason to outsource to Eastern Europe is when you actually want a developer who can do stuff on his own and explain it in passable English |
| 17:14.25 | AStorm | especially jingling |
| 17:14.45 | AStorm | RST38h, indeed |
| 17:15.03 | RST38h | Otherwise for each of you there are 5 Indians and 50 Chinese willing to do the work, cheaper |
| 17:15.10 | AStorm | that's why I'm looking for a nice embedded soft coding job :> |
| 17:16.11 | RST38h | wonders how long those are gonna last, with so many people being fired stateside... |
| 17:16.51 | AStorm | hehe |
| 17:17.00 | AStorm | chinese can't write english |
| 17:17.05 | x29a | AStorm: hehe, i hope my n810 will jingle the bells |
| 17:17.12 | AStorm | most of them |
| 17:17.52 | AStorm | RST38h, here they're still hiring |
| 17:18.18 | AStorm | but there's a problem with lack of proper R&D centers |
| 17:18.43 | AStorm | so really all the jobs are truly denigrating java orm... |
| 17:18.47 | AStorm | or analysis |
| 17:18.56 | AStorm | ehh |
| 17:19.05 | AStorm | bad country for me |
| 17:19.19 | AStorm | should move to Finland or somewhere |
| 17:20.17 | AStorm | (prereq is learning Finnish) |
| 17:20.43 | AStorm | or to Germany (prereq: improving my weak German) |
| 17:20.46 | AStorm | so, meh |
| 17:20.54 | AStorm | </rant> |
| 17:20.55 | Stskeeps | isn't prereq practising on your vodka drinking skills? |
| 17:20.58 | Stskeeps | for .fi |
| 17:21.10 | AStorm | Stskeeps, I'm Polish |
| 17:21.19 | AStorm | I can outdrink anyone who's not Russian |
| 17:21.20 | Stskeeps | ah. |
| 17:21.21 | AStorm | :P |
| 17:21.22 | Stskeeps | well in shape then. |
| 17:21.44 | Stskeeps | has a polish gf and when he met his mother in law first time, i was welcomed with several vodka shots.. |
| 17:21.44 | RST38h | AStorm: Same here, although at a lower rate |
| 17:21.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:21.52 | trenka | AStorm: competition? ;) |
| 17:22.24 | AStorm | trenka, nah, I don't have any on me |
| 17:22.28 | Meizirkki | solca: instead of fadeaways android sometimes power-offs |
| 17:22.33 | RST38h | AStorm: Although they have started firing the office mice - bottom level managers, journalists, sales people |
| 17:22.43 | AStorm | and a pointless management plan to write |
| 17:22.52 | AStorm | RST38h, expecting recession? |
| 17:22.59 | RST38h | AStorm: Apparently, you can survive in Fnland with English alone |
| 17:23.02 | AStorm | they are acting as to make one :P |
| 17:23.08 | RST38h | Germany - prolly need to learn German |
| 17:23.11 | ^Tux^ | I'm .us, but I once broke a metacarpel in my hand after drinking > 1gal of tank-car vodka (heaven hill) and doing cart-wheels off a deck.. so I'll get in on this vodka challenge.. :P |
| 17:23.12 | ^Tux^ | ;P |
| 17:23.18 | AStorm | really? I'll try it then |
| 17:23.19 | solca | Meizirkki: can you check if it happens when idle? |
| 17:23.22 | RST38h | AStorm: entering recession already |
| 17:23.56 | solca | Meizirkki: and how you feel it in speed compared to yesterdays version? |
| 17:24.05 | AStorm | Tux: hmmm, then you were drunk |
| 17:24.06 | RST38h | AStorm: construction slowing down, realty prices falling, etc |
| 17:24.17 | AStorm | RST38h, yep, bad times |
| 17:24.33 | RST38h | AStorm: The place is tied up to the oil/gas/ore prices and those are falling through the floor |
| 17:24.35 | AStorm | and in this fun time I get to enter the marketplace |
| 17:24.48 | AStorm | mah |
| 17:24.51 | Meizirkki | solca: it happens randomly |
| 17:24.55 | ^Tux^ | drunk was an understatement |
| 17:24.55 | ^Tux^ | ;P |
| 17:25.05 | Meizirkki | solca: i think the speed is mostly same |
| 17:25.15 | Meizirkki | solca: not slower |
| 17:25.21 | AStorm | Tux: 1gal = x liter? |
| 17:25.33 | ^Tux^ | |
| 17:25.33 | ^Tux^ | 1 US gallon = 3.78541178 liter |
| 17:25.33 | RST38h | AStorm: Somehow I do not think embedded programmming stuff is going anywhere |
| 17:25.36 | ^Tux^ | google |
| 17:25.36 | ^Tux^ | ;D |
| 17:25.43 | RST38h | It is akin to coffin making in that sense =) |
| 17:25.46 | solca | Meizirkki: do you think the speed is to slow or is adequate? |
| 17:25.49 | AStorm | RST38h, but demand will go up |
| 17:26.03 | AStorm | the devices will always be needed |
| 17:26.09 | RST38h | AStorm: For coffins or embedded devices? =) |
| 17:26.10 | solca | Meizirkki: I can't figure out how to squeeze more speed thoug |
| 17:26.14 | AStorm | heck, I could write code for washing machines too |
| 17:26.21 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 17:26.21 | AStorm | RST38h, both :P |
| 17:26.21 | x29a | which devices do you guys have? |
| 17:26.28 | RST38h | wrote code for a hot dog making machine once |
| 17:26.39 | x29a | is getting hungry |
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| 17:26.47 | ShadowJK | If you think speed is too slow, well it's always going to be "too slow", because desktop will still be ahead of whatever you've got in your hand :P |
| 17:26.56 | RST38h | and had to help designing the hw too |
| 17:27.03 | AStorm | ShadowJK, :> |
| 17:27.13 | AStorm | RST38h, fun, fun, fun |
| 17:27.16 | lcuk | ShadowJK, psh, design to take these things into account and it wont be slow |
| 17:27.21 | ^Tux^ | I hear JK has the problem of things being "too small" vs "too slow" when they're in his hand |
| 17:27.21 | ^Tux^ | :( |
| 17:27.34 | Meizirkki | solca: i think the speed is good enough for me, it is not too slow. at the end, n810:s hardware is not very fast |
| 17:27.38 | AStorm | RST38h, unlike coding Java |
| 17:27.39 | RST38h | AStorm: the way it cooked the sausage was almost erotic |
| 17:27.50 | lcuk | thinks the n810 is fast |
| 17:28.02 | ShadowJK | And if you have a webpage with 10 CPU hogging flash applets that peak your quad core desktop but still works fine, obviously it's going to be horrible on any CPU that fits with a powersource in your hand |
| 17:28.04 | RST38h | lcuk: When compared with my OMAP850 based E70 - yes |
| 17:28.06 | AStorm | n810 is fairly fast |
| 17:28.22 | AStorm | could use 2x ram and OMAP3 |
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| 17:28.29 | solca | Meizirkki: ok, I'm getting tired of the keyboard malfunction, is the next thing I'll fix |
| 17:28.30 | ShadowJK | E70 with opera mini loads reuters about 10 times faster than N810 :-) |
| 17:28.31 | AStorm | and proper LCD controller |
| 17:28.32 | RST38h | flash is just badly implemented, it is not supposed to hog CPU |
| 17:28.36 | solca | I promise :) |
| 17:28.43 | AStorm | heh |
| 17:28.51 | t_s_o | hmm, a unlocked version of G1, just need to sign up for a dev account over at google. tempting ;) |
| 17:28.56 | lcuk | AStorm, it would be faster if it could simply use all its limbs |
| 17:28.56 | RST38h | Shadow: Unless the OS decides to terminate that Opera when the memory gets exhausted |
| 17:29.06 | AStorm | lcuk, hmm? |
| 17:29.27 | ShadowJK | RST38h, and on N810 instead of getting the browser terminated, the watchdog just reboots the entire device when it starts swapping too much, heh. |
| 17:29.27 | AStorm | ShadowJK, sorry, not |
| 17:29.31 | AStorm | I checked |
| 17:29.34 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: "telnetd" |
| 17:29.35 | Meizirkki | solca: from adb: # wlan_loader |
| 17:29.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:29.35 | Meizirkki | fatal error opening "/sys/power/acquire_partial_wake_lock" |
| 17:29.44 | AStorm | ShadowJK, haha, simple to fix |
| 17:29.54 | RST38h | Shadow: Never happened to me |
| 17:29.56 | t_s_o | Stskeeps? |
| 17:30.00 | lcuk | powervr iva etc |
| 17:30.05 | AStorm | sysctl -w vm.overcommit_memory=2 |
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| 17:30.10 | lcuk | 2d accel |
| 17:30.23 | ShadowJK | AStorm, it does it even if I have lots of swapspace free? |
| 17:30.24 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680 |
| 17:30.26 | AStorm | lcuk, well, yes |
| 17:30.29 | solca | Meizirkki: no idea, wlan_loader is the tiwlan driver loader for the G1 |
| 17:30.35 | AStorm | still, lcd controller is junk |
| 17:30.39 | solca | Meizirkki: (I presume) |
| 17:30.49 | Meizirkki | solca: ok |
| 17:30.49 | suihkulokki | yeah, knowing finnish is not a requirement for (tech) job in .fi |
| 17:30.49 | AStorm | ShadowJK, that's old cpu sched for you |
| 17:30.59 | suihkulokki | alcoholo consumpition skills are, however, a bonus :) |
| 17:31.01 | solca | Meizirkki: logcat can tell you more things |
| 17:31.08 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 17:31.27 | t_s_o | Stskeeps: yep, i know about that bug... |
| 17:31.27 | AStorm | ShadowJK, also, olld timing code using jiffies |
| 17:31.35 | t_s_o | iirc, its patched now |
| 17:31.50 | ShadowJK | I don't really believe much in the idea that giving more computing power will make things faster. People constnatly find new stupid things to waste CPU,GPU and whatever on to take you back to slowness again :) |
| 17:31.51 | AStorm | ShadowJK, all fixed some time ago in linux-omap |
| 17:32.06 | lcuk | ShadowJK, +1 |
| 17:32.11 | AStorm | ShadowJK, unless we go to full 3D |
| 17:32.21 | lcuk | AStorm: farcry |
| 17:32.30 | ShadowJK | AStorm, I imagine it's just because flash is so slow to swap to, that it takes more than 30 seconds for whatever daeemon that prods the watchdog to run? |
| 17:32.32 | Meizirkki | solca: android settings says wlan is on, but netcfg says it is down... |
| 17:32.33 | AStorm | in 2D, there's just so many things to waste power on |
| 17:32.48 | AStorm | ShadowJK, yes |
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| 17:33.06 | AStorm | and watchdog isn't getting scheduled |
| 17:33.16 | AStorm | thanks to O(1) sched |
| 17:33.27 | Riiika | is there some lighter/faster flash to install to newest OS2007HE in Nokia 770 than flash9? |
| 17:33.32 | solca | Meizirkki: yea something is not working right, as when I turn on is good but if I turn it off the on it doesnt get on until next reboot |
| 17:33.46 | AStorm | Riiika, I don't think so |
| 17:33.48 | Meizirkki | solca: yep |
| 17:34.10 | t_s_o | its kinda funny how gpe file manager can scroll using dpad without input lag (release button, it stops) while app manger and other nokia made apps seems to scroll for 10 seconds after button is released... |
| 17:34.17 | solca | well got to go, see you |
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| 17:34.19 | Meizirkki | solca: # netcfg wlan0 up action 'up' failed (No such file or directory) |
| 17:34.21 | ShadowJK | Meizirkki, you can certainly slow things down with 3D too. Like, on my desktop I can use the gl output of MPlayer, the scaling and transform is accelerated by the GPU. This is however slower than Xv, which has a more direct 2D path to do the same. The GL approach starts performing better once you also have it do things liek sharpening, that you'd have to do in software with Xvideo.. |
| 17:34.42 | Meizirkki | k |
| 17:34.48 | AStorm | t_s_o, it's the same code really... they need to switch the kernel |
| 17:34.58 | AStorm | and check ondemand settings |
| 17:35.09 | Meizirkki | solca: bye |
| 17:35.14 | AStorm | set the threshold to 50 (it's 80 now) |
| 17:35.19 | t_s_o | AStorm: sorry? |
| 17:35.20 | ShadowJK | AStorm, the CPU scheduler can't do much if it's waiting for the watchdog to come back from swap... It'd need cleverer io scheduling and shorter io queues maybe.. |
| 17:35.45 | AStorm | ShadowJK, watchdog won't be swapped |
| 17:35.58 | t_s_o | i was talking about gpe file manager in use on my N800 running diablo... |
| 17:35.59 | AStorm | because it's an RT task |
| 17:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/jsmanrique/3086624756/sizes/o/ |
| 17:36.20 | ShadowJK | AStorm, which of the daemons is responsible for prodding the watchdog? |
| 17:36.23 | AStorm | t_s_o, it's the same gtk code |
| 17:36.43 | AStorm | ShadowJK, hmm, dsme afaicr |
| 17:36.52 | t_s_o | in other words, its something internal to the other code thats the issue? |
| 17:36.59 | AStorm | but you can also prod it manually via sysfs |
| 17:37.01 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i saw that, the contacts looks like mine damn them \@/ and the camera one isnt real |
| 17:37.03 | t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: looks like someone is dreaming of a iphone... |
| 17:37.05 | AStorm | t_s_o, yup |
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| 17:37.28 | ShadowJK | AStorm, dsme doesn't seem to have locked its memory? if you can at all trust the busybox 'ps'... |
| 17:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, it really does |
| 17:37.39 | lcuk | i wonder if the contacts are going to be floating like mine do |
| 17:37.42 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting that they'd use an N810 for what appears to be phone interface mockups. |
| 17:37.42 | AStorm | ShadowJK, sure |
| 17:37.47 | AStorm | it should mlock |
| 17:38.01 | ShadowJK | right, /proc/pid/status confirms that dsme's memory pages aren't locked, so it gets paged out like everything else too, even if its priority is set lower |
| 17:38.06 | ShadowJK | and it's not RT priority? |
| 17:38.12 | AStorm | but newer kernels won't swap out any RT priority tasks |
| 17:38.54 | t_s_o | the top right image reminds me of samsungs latest phone interface, only that samsung have the menu on the left... |
| 17:39.08 | t_s_o | all in all, meh... |
| 17:39.11 | AStorm | ShadowJK, ooh, bug! |
| 17:39.20 | AStorm | fix it, simple initfs change |
| 17:39.29 | AStorm | mlock will be harder |
| 17:39.48 | AStorm | alternatively, write a tiny daemon to prod the watchdog |
| 17:40.04 | ShadowJK | bme_RX-44 on the other hand is running at RT priority... |
| 17:40.14 | ShadowJK | dsme is just nice -1 |
| 17:40.26 | AStorm | I might have mixed them up |
| 17:40.45 | AStorm | check which one is started in initfs |
| 17:41.08 | qwerty12 | They're both started from initfs iirc |
| 17:42.21 | t_s_o | gah, i really would like a mark option in the edit menu of the browser, that would basically lock the scroll and allow me to mark text with a simple drag of the stylus rather then the somewhat silly double-tap and drag we have today... |
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| 17:43.03 | AStorm | yup, that would be nice |
| 17:43.16 | AStorm | write a bug maybe? |
| 17:43.24 | t_s_o | iirc, i may already have... |
| 17:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't recall one. |
| 17:43.39 | t_s_o | probably will go "fixed in fremantle" if not tho... |
| 17:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | Unlikely |
| 17:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see them implementing something kludgy like that |
| 17:44.05 | AStorm | one menu option? :P |
| 17:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, pfft. |
| 17:44.16 | t_s_o | well, thats the option alternative, GeneralAntilles |
| 17:44.20 | GeneralAntilles | You know better than that. |
| 17:44.24 | t_s_o | oops |
| 17:44.26 | lcuk | if we have a keyboard we could have something like shift to lock |
| 17:44.32 | AStorm | where's the kludge? it would be one step closer to vimperator :P |
| 17:44.45 | AStorm | (modal browser) |
| 17:44.48 | t_s_o | lcuk: sadly i only own a N800... |
| 17:44.50 | ShadowJK | I'd like to have an option to lock to right click, for times when I don't want it to mistake a hold for left click |
| 17:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | :shudder: |
| 17:45.13 | GeneralAntilles | Just wait for Fremantle's fully open-source browser |
| 17:45.31 | AStorm | heh |
| 17:45.32 | t_s_o | meh, maybe we could get someone in the community to unofficially patch the brower ui. or was that proprietary code? |
| 17:45.38 | AStorm | xul or gtk? |
| 17:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, it's closed. |
| 17:45.49 | t_s_o | figures... |
| 17:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | Better off talking to Bundyo about his selection methods |
| 17:46.02 | AStorm | t_s_o, fremantle will have that opened |
| 17:46.20 | t_s_o | AStorm: at that point i may as well be using a pandora... |
| 17:46.24 | ShadowJK | how does browser/browserd work, does browser just give a window ID for browserd to display to? is browserd opensource? |
| 17:46.36 | AStorm | t_s_o, heh. yes |
| 17:47.00 | RST38h | Pandora? Hehe :) |
| 17:47.05 | AStorm | ShadowJK, no and no |
| 17:47.10 | lcuk | people have their pandoras now don't they? |
| 17:47.23 | RST38h | lcuk: delayed by 6 months |
| 17:47.32 | lcuk | theres a surprise |
| 17:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | thinks pancake's a bit bitter. |
| 17:47.55 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, and what prevents you from running Fremantle on that? :P |
| 17:48.18 | t_s_o | on what? the pandora? nothing, but im not sure i would want to... |
| 17:48.29 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you can make the pancake sweeter by adding more memory to it |
| 17:48.36 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, pancake=0xffff guy or? |
| 17:48.39 | t_s_o | as i suspect nokia will be sneaking in some elements of "differentiation"... |
| 17:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, yes, maemo-community post. |
| 17:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, sneaking? |
| 17:49.05 | AStorm | what for? |
| 17:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | You do realize Fremantle will be significantly more open than Diablo, right? |
| 17:49.17 | RST38h | AStorm: To sell more different devices |
| 17:49.20 | ShadowJK | I wonder if they will kill icd |
| 17:49.27 | RST38h | This has been their trademark behaviour for years |
| 17:49.36 | AStorm | RST38h, different target audience? |
| 17:49.44 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, supposedly the networking setup will be changing. |
| 17:49.59 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, icd is awesome, so it would be in line with big corporation behaviour to kill it :) |
| 17:49.59 | RST38h | AStorm: Yes, basically the same hardware but some features (usually software like fast JVM or 3D API) disabled in some phones |
| 17:50.01 | t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: i will continue to be sceptical until the i see screenshots of running software, downloaded and compiled by not working for nokia... |
| 17:50.48 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, if the code is available. :\ |
| 17:50.51 | lcuk | t_s_o, they only need to release source once it goes on sale, before then they can stay in whatever cathederal they want |
| 17:50.53 | AStorm | RST38h, actually, yes |
| 17:51.02 | t_s_o | lcuk: bingo... |
| 17:51.04 | lcuk | but clutter itself is already open and available |
| 17:51.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, um, Fremantle beta? |
| 17:51.14 | lcuk | lives in a little chapel |
| 17:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting to note that there's no mention of the delays on http://openpandora.org/ |
| 17:51.36 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the fremantle beta is the core base with no applications |
| 17:51.45 | lcuk | or thats what i read |
| 17:51.53 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, none at all? |
| 17:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | I believe you're confusing the beta with the alpha |
| 17:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, h-a-m is shipping with the alpha. |
| 17:52.19 | lcuk | im oging under the impression it will be like xepyhr is currently |
| 17:52.24 | lcuk | core hildon with no apps |
| 17:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | You'd be under the wrong impression. |
| 17:52.51 | lcuk | then im in for a pleasant surprise then! |
| 17:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | "Beta SDK released between March-May, ready for application development including support for Mozilla based browser and Greasemonkey add-ons." |
| 17:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly that'll include the browser |
| 17:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | So there's at least two applications, h-a-m and MicroB |
| 17:54.51 | lcuk | no, it says support for, not includes |
| 17:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, how do you plan on testing addons without a browser? :) |
| 17:55.44 | lcuk | i dont plan on testing the browser, but i thought xul was universal |
| 17:56.03 | suihkulokki | completly OT: what's the easiest way to provide some n00b a easy way to upload a huge file? |
| 17:56.17 | qwerty12 | root access to your server |
| 17:56.29 | GeneralAntilles | How huge? |
| 17:56.33 | lcuk | yes, i concur with qwerty12, post your passwords |
| 17:56.38 | suihkulokki | 1+GB |
| 17:56.44 | t_s_o | i have probably asked about this somewhere else, but why isnt the browser interface open source? are the opera binding still floating around in there? |
| 17:56.58 | lcuk | suihkulokki, is it regular uploads? |
| 17:57.09 | lcuk | and do you have control of the server |
| 17:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, a variety of reasons, likely. |
| 17:57.33 | lcuk | regular as in often |
| 17:57.38 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, probably some having to do with availability of time, others to do with silly management thinking about differentiation. |
| 17:58.01 | suihkulokki | lcuk: for now it's one-time case. yes, I have any full control. |
| 17:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | Opera (closed everything) -> Diablo MicroB (open engine) -> Fremantle MicroB (open everything) |
| 17:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's a progression. :P |
| 17:58.23 | suihkulokki | I know apache/php is not going to be easy |
| 17:58.31 | t_s_o | http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1700/fc01658.htm <- this kind of management i take it? |
| 17:58.54 | lcuk | suihkulokki, if they are trusted users give them ftp account access, its resumable |
| 17:59.45 | lcuk | (i think) |
| 18:00.03 | suihkulokki | the problem with ftp is 1) firewalls 2) risk of becoming a international piracy hub |
| 18:00.24 | Stskeeps | scp? |
| 18:00.27 | lcuk | suihkulokki, not really, you can give upload perms only |
| 18:00.41 | lcuk | firewalls mostly allow easy ftp through |
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| 18:01.01 | GeneralAntilles | Let's go simple, what about box.net or similar? |
| 18:01.42 | lcuk | i still dont know how you get from an ftp account to international piracy hub |
| 18:02.03 | lcuk | you have control of the users and access permissions and quotas and everything |
| 18:02.26 | qwerty12 | lcuk, I don't know about now, but pirates used to scan for dodgy ftp's and upload their warez there |
| 18:02.35 | AStorm | public upload and download -> piracy |
| 18:03.25 | lcuk | dodgy == fully open with silly permissions == granted. but ftp is the still the usual way to transfer big files |
| 18:03.29 | AStorm | that's why any public upload dir must not have download permissions |
| 18:03.34 | StsN800 | qwerty12, silly ones yeah |
| 18:04.22 | lcuk | suihkulokki, you could write some kind of torrent tracker and let your users add their files to it |
| 18:05.02 | lcuk | when you notice a new file has been added just start downloading yourself (after making sure it doesnt contain the words "britney" && "naked" |
| 18:06.24 | AStorm | hehe |
| 18:06.31 | suihkulokki | grumbles about legacy protocols and starts reading vsftp docs |
| 18:06.32 | AStorm | private tracker theen |
| 18:06.39 | AStorm | *then |
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| 18:30.31 | t_s_o | hmm, is there a way to alter the font size of just the input boxes in the browser, or do i have to alter the fonts completely? |
| 18:40.02 | lcuk | t_s_o, sounds like a sane usability upgrade, but ive never see na way to do it without hacks. you oculd possibly do some css tweaking |
| 18:41.54 | GeneralAntilles | He apparently wants comments, but there appears to be no way to register an account to post them. <_< http://omag.es/blog/2008/12/06/nokia-n97-the-n810-and-successors-killer/ |
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| 18:42.36 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 18:42.41 | Stskeeps | i ran into the same |
| 18:43.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png <- weird hildon layout i found dormant from 17 months ago in hildon-desktop :P |
| 18:44.45 | AStorm | N97 is suck, yup |
| 18:44.52 | AStorm | as is Symbian :P |
| 18:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, lol |
| 18:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like Ubuntu Mobile or Moblin |
| 18:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, that's exactly the thing for me. |
| 18:46.28 | Stskeeps | yeah, but widescreen wasn't that bad for browsing |
| 18:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | Whatever may be cool for hardware-wise in a phone, the software kills it. |
| 18:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | I just don't care about Symbion/WinMob/Palm/iPhone OS/whatever |
| 18:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | They're all sucky and limiting |
| 18:47.18 | GeneralAntilles | and I don't want to pay $500+ for "sucky and limiting" |
| 18:48.21 | AStorm | of these, ... I'd pick Linux :P |
| 18:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 18:48.50 | GeneralAntilles | I want to be able to do stuff with a device that costs as much as a small laptop |
| 18:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | Symbian doesn't let me do stuf |
| 18:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | f |
| 18:49.21 | ShadowJK | n97 costs more than a small laptop :) |
| 18:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, let's not quibble lamely over degrees. . . . |
| 18:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | I could pick out a small laptop which it is marginally less expensive than. |
| 18:50.41 | t_s_o | lcuk: from what i can tell on the forum, altering the minium font size alters everything. but interestingly enough it can be done via bookmarks ;) |
| 18:51.09 | t_s_o | so that one can bump the fontsize up while entering something by bluetooth keyboard and them bump it back down afterwards... |
| 18:52.12 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: but we're finally on a sane level again now (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer/Screenshot-1.png) |
| 18:52.28 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, lol. |
| 18:52.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:52.56 | GeneralAntilles | "Welcome to Mer/the Diablo SDK" |
| 18:53.24 | Stskeeps | at least it's not LCARS. |
| 18:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 18:53.43 | Stskeeps | i've also seperated hildon desktop layout from hildon desktop app |
| 18:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure if shipping LCARS as default would attract the right or wrong sort of people. :P |
| 18:53.52 | Stskeeps | which means it is possible to tinker with the interface |
| 18:54.21 | Stskeeps | so if you want a widescreen theme, or mess things up, it's easy :P |
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| 19:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSWEN145820081206?rpc=64 |
| 19:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | Why can't we just let the losers go under and free up that capital for productive economic pursuits? :\ |
| 19:02.19 | Stskeeps | communism, my comrade |
| 19:02.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that. :/ |
| 19:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | Obama's bringing change my ass. |
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| 19:05.09 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, except that loser will drop a bomb in unemployed people |
| 19:05.10 | ShadowJK | It's a month or more until he becomes president? |
| 19:05.15 | AStorm | :> |
| 19:05.32 | ^Tux^ | a little over |
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| 19:06.44 | ShadowJK | The thing that puzzles me is |
| 19:07.05 | ShadowJK | why do they need money to developer more efficient cars, when they already sell such cars in europe, heh |
| 19:07.31 | ^Tux^ | probably because of .us epa laws |
| 19:07.38 | AStorm | nah |
| 19:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 19:07.42 | ^Tux^ | the clusterfuck that it is |
| 19:07.46 | AStorm | because of patents |
| 19:07.58 | AStorm | they can't just steal some ideas |
| 19:08.03 | RST38h | General: ever read Fred? |
| 19:08.30 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, steal what ideas? ShadowJK is talking about the more efficient American cars that Ford, etc sell in Europe |
| 19:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | Not European cars. :\ |
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| 19:08.51 | RST38h | That "Ford" is actually Mazda =) |
| 19:08.53 | GeneralAntilles | ^Tux^ is right, the EPA regulations are to blame. |
| 19:08.58 | AStorm | ah these |
| 19:09.03 | ^Tux^ | fuck it.. they'll have to pry my v8's from my cold dying foot |
| 19:09.09 | AStorm | whatever |
| 19:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:09.12 | RST38h | General: Anyways, check out http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm |
| 19:09.27 | GeneralAntilles | No, haven't read Fred, RST38h. |
| 19:09.43 | RST38h | The guy is somewhat repetitive but usually fun to read |
| 19:14.26 | Stskeeps | hm, didn't know iTT showed who voted for what |
| 19:14.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, depends on the poll |
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| 19:18.58 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/12/dos-1.jpg |
| 19:21.22 | lcuk | Stskeeps, wheres that |
| 19:21.39 | Stskeeps | ah, it was the "going to buy n900" poll |
| 19:21.42 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the one where he voted for who he hates most. |
| 19:22.56 | lcuk | i, for one, am also shocked the poll results are available - not for personal reasons merely because no other online site offers public stats like that |
| 19:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, lol? |
| 19:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of forums offer polls |
| 19:24.05 | lcuk | yeah but most dont show who voted for what |
| 19:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | It helps me put together shit lists. :P |
| 19:24.54 | ^Tux^ | hates Stskeeps |
| 19:25.00 | Stskeeps | ^Tux^: i know |
| 19:25.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:25.01 | ^Tux^ | oh wait.. shit.. I can do it annonymously? |
| 19:25.03 | ^Tux^ | runs |
| 19:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | We ALL hate Stskeeps. :P |
| 19:25.28 | ^Tux^ | if I really hated you.. would I have sat around harassing you for ummm... |
| 19:25.34 | ^Tux^ | what like almost a decade now? |
| 19:25.34 | ^Tux^ | :P |
| 19:25.48 | lcuk | tux, love n hate relationship, you love to hate him |
| 19:26.02 | ^Tux^ | I really love it when he hates me |
| 19:26.02 | ^Tux^ | :D |
| 19:26.09 | Stskeeps | ^Tux^: yeah, close to (a decade) |
| 19:26.09 | ^Tux^ | like when the LRTF was in full force |
| 19:26.11 | ^Tux^ | bwahaha.. |
| 19:27.00 | lcuk | makes his fishy stop swimming now |
| 19:27.25 | qwerty12_N800 | :/ |
| 19:28.26 | lcuk | heh qwerty, its part of my rebuild i have a fishy sketch rendering continuously swimming around my screen |
| 19:28.33 | RST38h | lcuk: ading salt, pepper, and boiling the tank? |
| 19:28.48 | GeneralAntilles | lol, liquarium |
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| 19:28.55 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:29.01 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, nice :D |
| 19:29.18 | lcuk | actually, its a small shoal of overlapping fishies |
| 19:31.51 | Stskeeps | goes port advanced backlight to Mer. |
| 19:32.13 | Stskeeps | (.. again) |
| 19:32.44 | ^Tux^ | slaps Stskeeps around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:32.45 | pupnik | n900 should be very exciting device |
| 19:32.49 | ^Tux^ | do it right the first time, beotch |
| 19:32.49 | ^Tux^ | ;P |
| 19:33.02 | pupnik | haha @ t-shirt |
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| 19:34.25 | sin18 | my tablet (nokia n800/diablo) is sporadically updating and get 'rescuing software update please do not interrupt' message when it boots .... any ideas ? |
| 19:34.31 | sin18 | updating=rebooting* |
| 19:36.59 | pupnik | wow |
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| 19:46.03 | t_s_o | never heard of that before... |
| 19:46.45 | qwerty12_N800 | has had it once but after rebooting, it started normally |
| 19:48.05 | t_s_o | http://computershopper.com/feature/apple-computer-the-very-early-years |
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| 19:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | sin18, there's supposedly a recovery mode |
| 19:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | I don't really have any details on it, though. |
| 19:52.17 | sin18 | GeneralAntilles : surprisingly i couldnt find any info on internetablettalk |
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| 19:53.05 | GeneralAntilles | sin18, I don't know what causes it to activate or what, exactly, it does. |
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| 20:01.38 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 20:06.18 | pupnik | need to build dosbox with dynrec core... |
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| 20:27.38 | RST38h | More ugly iPhone-related shit: http://gizmodo.com/5103465/santa-live-iphone-app-pulled-due-to-even-more-controversy |
| 20:31.18 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 20:31.21 | Stskeeps | hugs his tablet |
| 20:32.08 | ssvb | pupnik: I heard that dosbox dynrec core for ARM is not so fast as it could be, what was your experience using it? |
| 20:33.34 | qwerty12_N800 | remembers Scary Movie 2 with "Santa Claus is coming to moms" |
| 20:35.57 | ^Tux^ | slaps Stskeeps around a bit with a large trout |
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| 20:37.50 | pupnik | haven't tried it yet ssvb |
| 20:37.59 | ssvb | ok, i see |
| 20:38.23 | ssvb | I just thought that it might be a good idea to try improving it |
| 20:42.26 | b1ackdeath | i have the my n810 with the rotation stuff installed but, the applactation manager always wants to update the kernel flasher and destroy it, is there a way to tell the aplaction manager that its update |
| 20:43.16 | qwerty12_N800 | google something like apt-get pinning |
| 20:43.31 | b1ackdeath | sorry about the spelling i have really bad dyslexia |
| 20:43.34 | b1ackdeath | ok |
| 20:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, osv-u? |
| 20:43.51 | GeneralAntilles | outpo.st/rotate |
| 20:44.16 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, ? |
| 20:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked should solve it, right? |
| 20:45.52 | qwerty12_N800 | I think his problem is that the original kernel / xserver keeps showing up as an update. Jott installs his own version of osso-software-version |
| 20:46.13 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, jott just uses Nokia's osv-u |
| 20:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | He just provides it himself since Nokia can't seem to wrap their heads around proper repository structures. |
| 20:47.13 | qwerty12_N800 | True, but with differences. Look at the ~rotate epochs with jott's version |
| 20:47.17 | Stskeeps | mvo seems to be busy on documentation/making policy, atleast |
| 20:47.40 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, either way, jott's method seems to be slightly easy to use than pinning. |
| 20:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | "apt-get install rotation-support-n810" |
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| 20:49.09 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't know how rotation was installed by b1ackdeath but back to the transporter 3 :) |
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| 20:51.06 | InteliWasp | is there any problems with canola beta 9 maemo3? |
| 20:51.13 | b1ackdeath | qwerty12_N800, i installed kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200823maemo3_all.modfied.deb,libxrandr2_1.2.1-1_armel.deb,rotate-sb-plugin_0.1-1_armel.deb,xserver-xomap_1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202_armel.modfied.deb |
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| 20:51.37 | qwerty12_N800 | sounds like the old shit I put out. use GeneralAntilles's link |
| 20:51.47 | b1ackdeath | ok |
| 20:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | b1ackdeath, you can use adv-backlight for rotation, too. |
| 20:52.13 | b1ackdeath | i do =p |
| 20:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | b1ackdeath, http://outpo.st/rotate |
| 20:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | Click the .install appropriate for your tablet |
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| 20:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | Application Manager will bitch at you, tap through its dialogs then close it |
| 20:53.06 | GeneralAntilles | then run "apt-get install rotation-support-n810" |
| 20:53.07 | ShadowJK | does wayfinder work rotated? |
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| 21:05.44 | InteliWasp | is there a way to make a text file of all the packages on my n800? |
| 21:06.54 | qwerty12_N800 | could try 'dpkg-query -l > /what/ever.txt' |
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| 21:11.00 | Stskeeps | evening m-vo |
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| 21:15.20 | m-vo | Evening! |
| 21:15.54 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, m-vo. :) |
| 21:15.59 | m-vo | is trying out ERC that he has installed using Tom Tromey's Elisp package manager. |
| 21:16.44 | RST38h | Decoy fails to deploy, but missile test called 'success' <== umgh |
| 21:16.52 | Stskeeps | RST38h: Star Wars project? |
| 21:17.10 | m-vo | GeneralAntilles: I pushed the translations, did you try them? |
| 21:17.15 | InteliWasp | qwerty12_N800, thanks |
| 21:17.28 | RST38h | Sts: goddamn interceptor-based missile defense |
| 21:17.33 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yup, SDI :P |
| 21:18.00 | Stskeeps | it's not a good system when even a west wing episode deals with the topic.. |
| 21:18.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | m-vo, haven't looked yet, gearing up for finals next week. ;) |
| 21:18.26 | Stskeeps | .. or even robocop |
| 21:18.36 | RST38h | Sts: SDI was a little bit different animal |
| 21:19.03 | RST38h | Sts: This one is based on intercepting a ballistic missile at the early stage (after launch) |
| 21:19.12 | Stskeeps | true |
| 21:19.44 | RST38h | Sts: Bush majorly pissed off the Russians by insisting on placing it in .PL and .CZ "to protect against Iran" |
| 21:20.00 | RST38h | And the thing doesn't even work properly =( |
| 21:20.12 | m-vo | GeneralAntilles: ahh, good luck! |
| 21:20.49 | Stskeeps | RST38h: given his knowledge of geography, he probably thinks iran is a state within russia. |
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| 21:22.14 | RST38h | Sts: Whatever he thinks, his handlers definitely know what they are doing |
| 21:31.25 | Stskeeps | queues advanced-backlight for build |
| 21:33.09 | RST38h | reminds me to make myself an empty project for the status bar applet |
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| 21:35.34 | Stskeeps | lo moontiger |
| 21:35.52 | moontiger | yo! |
| 21:35.54 | moontiger | :) |
| 21:36.06 | moontiger | public internet in madrid sux |
| 21:36.20 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:36.30 | Stskeeps | aren't there hordes of FON spots? |
| 21:36.42 | moontiger | nope |
| 21:37.03 | moontiger | ut i do have my 3g data plan and can connect thru that at reasonable speeds |
| 21:37.07 | moontiger | +b |
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| 21:37.27 | moontiger | im on prepaid right now so its 1.39E per day |
| 21:39.14 | RST38h | Not bad |
| 21:43.06 | Meiz_n810 | here i would be 1.39E per megabyte |
| 21:46.07 | pupnik | those insane roaming costs should be ruled illegal |
| 21:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | lol, pupnik. :p |
| 21:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | they just need to kill the damn monopolies |
| 21:47.08 | Meiz_n810 | pupnik: it is not roaming :) |
| 21:47.16 | Stskeeps | pupnik: yet when you're standing in the mountains of poland and you have no wifi nearby to catch with the tablet.. you pay it :( |
| 21:48.47 | Meiz_n810 | Ubuntu-MID is installable =P |
| 21:49.12 | pupnik | Meiz_n810: on N8x0? |
| 21:49.18 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: scary |
| 21:49.18 | Meiz_n810 | yes |
| 21:49.31 | Stskeeps | flash or kourou? |
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| 21:50.05 | Meiz_n810 | both are available but i have no idea what it will use |
| 21:50.09 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:50.20 | Stskeeps | interesting anyway :) |
| 21:50.35 | Stskeeps | continues beating adv-backlight into submission |
| 21:50.55 | GeneralAntilles | comforts adv-backlight. |
| 21:52.52 | Stskeeps | atleast with this build procedure we're sure the packages are clean and neat. :P |
| 21:55.31 | pupnik | "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case.... Coincidence?" --Stephen Wright |
| 21:56.02 | t_s_o | :P |
| 21:59.30 | ^Tux^ | slow drinkers |
| 21:59.31 | ^Tux^ | :( |
| 22:00.28 | t_s_o | smart drinkers ;) |
| 22:02.58 | ^Tux^ | naw |
| 22:03.08 | ^Tux^ | I'm suffering SNRI withdrawal and already had 19 today |
| 22:03.17 | x29a | this seems to be a dev chan, is there a newbie/consumer chan as well? |
| 22:03.25 | ^Tux^ | it takes the edge off of the work week |
| 22:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | x29a, this is everything Maemo |
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| 22:03.59 | x29a | GeneralAntilles: ah ok, what device do you have? |
| 22:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | Several |
| 22:04.15 | x29a | i cant wait for my n810, so im trying to get all the information i can get |
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| 22:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org has a lot of good info |
| 22:08.21 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: latest installer in svn? |
| 22:08.36 | Meiz_n810 | (mer installer/image builer) |
| 22:09.57 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it's on bzr now.. sec, lemme make you a tar.gz |
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| 22:10.17 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
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| 22:14.34 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-imager-20081206-2311.tar.gz , cd mer-imager, sh imager targets/mer-n800-fs-only /your/mounted/partition |
| 22:15.49 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 22:17.42 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: |
| 22:17.43 | Meiz_n810 | + echo __ Bootstrapping into |
| 22:17.46 | Meiz_n810 | shit |
| 22:17.52 | Stskeeps | forgotaparameter? :P |
| 22:17.59 | Meiz_n810 | wait, i'll pastebin |
| 22:18.11 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:18.15 | Meiz_n810 | yes i forgeo |
| 22:18.18 | Meiz_n810 | forgot |
| 22:18.27 | Meiz_n810 | my bad (again) |
| 22:18.29 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 22:18.32 | Meiz_n810 | =P |
| 22:18.37 | Stskeeps | you have no idea how many times i've screwed up :) |
| 22:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | We should really take away your license to hack at some point. :P |
| 22:19.58 | Stskeeps | 10 years of hacking in public and it hasn't happened yet |
| 22:20.06 | Stskeeps | .. even though i did have some hillarious bugs |
| 22:20.31 | Stskeeps | like, an IRCd going on a killing spree and /kill'ing the entire network |
| 22:20.34 | Stskeeps | cos of a parsing error |
| 22:20.41 | Stskeeps | that was times.. |
| 22:20.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:20.51 | ^Tux^ | no |
| 22:20.55 | Stskeeps | now i'm in pervasive healthcare instead. ponder that. |
| 22:20.57 | ^Tux^ | times was when I found a bug in bahamut |
| 22:20.59 | ^Tux^ | told devels |
| 22:21.05 | ^Tux^ | they issued a "fix" that was shit |
| 22:21.10 | ^Tux^ | then went back and started killing dalnet |
| 22:21.11 | ^Tux^ | ;( |
| 22:21.49 | ^Tux^ | I think I still have my "bahamut-fuck" alias bound |
| 22:23.49 | Meiz_n810 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6988247315953961035 |
| 22:24.13 | Meiz_n810 | nitdroid would be nice with dualboot and working wifi |
| 22:24.56 | Stskeeps | mm, solca's selector will be nice to have |
| 22:25.03 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 22:25.20 | Meiz_n810 | we'll have it someday |
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| 22:25.46 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: got a new camera or a steady cam? you move it like a robot. |
| 22:25.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:25.51 | Stskeeps | .. or just zoom |
| 22:26.32 | Meiz_n810 | not zoom, not robot, not my hand |
| 22:26.36 | t_s_o | ah, no phone is complete without a snake game. thats what made those early nokia gsm's so hot ;) |
| 22:26.50 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
| 22:27.05 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: pretty neat though |
| 22:27.24 | Stskeeps | just goes to show how versatile this device is |
| 22:27.29 | Meiz_n810 | it is nice, but still not replacing maemo |
| 22:27.52 | Meiz_n810 | crashing at the end is cool :) |
| 22:28.51 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: but yeah.. maemo needs to shape up similar to that to compete i guess |
| 22:28.55 | t_s_o | heh, yellow out rather then white out, nice |
| 22:29.31 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: wtf @ the last thing showing on screen |
| 22:29.32 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 22:29.43 | Meiz_n810 | fadeout is always different color :) |
| 22:30.02 | Stskeeps | 02:08 shows residue of the tiger and clock, pretty neat :P |
| 22:30.46 | Meiz_n810 | i did notg mean to crash it |
| 22:30.50 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 22:31.00 | Stskeeps | yeah yeah ;) |
| 22:31.04 | Meiz_n810 | it crashed just the right time |
| 22:31.28 | Meiz_n810 | i had no idea what should i have done next |
| 22:31.43 | Meiz_n810 | fuck my english skills |
| 22:31.55 | Meiz_n810 | :0 |
| 22:31.57 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
| 22:32.41 | Stskeeps | you have better english than me at 13 :P |
| 22:32.49 | Stskeeps | it did improve after several years on irc though |
| 22:33.08 | Meiz_n810 | what about when you were 14? |
| 22:34.42 | Meiz_n810 | hates his slow internet connection |
| 22:35.13 | Meiz_n810 | (the slowness, not the connection :P) |
| 22:36.41 | Stskeeps | 14 wasn't much better. :P |
| 22:37.07 | Meiz_n810 | android itself does not die when fading away, the userspace just crashes |
| 22:37.30 | Meiz_n810 | i am able to run reboot from computer :) |
| 22:37.30 | Stskeeps | a |
| 22:37.31 | Stskeeps | h |
| 22:38.08 | suihkulokki | t_s_o: they have a 3d snakes as a free downloadable game for current symbian phones |
| 22:38.27 | Stskeeps | i think the main motivation for having a later kernel on n8x0s for me, is so RNDIS works.. :P |
| 22:38.32 | t_s_o | not surprised ;) |
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| 22:40.20 | Meiz__n810 | Stskeeps: mer installer stopped after Extacting :( |
| 22:40.34 | Stskeeps | Meiz__n810: swap activated? |
| 22:40.42 | Meiz__n810 | no |
| 22:40.51 | Meiz__n810 | i'll try with swap |
| 22:42.18 | Meiz__n810 | debootstrap command has --variant=minbase two times |
| 22:42.23 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 22:42.29 | Stskeeps | will fix, shouldn't hurt |
| 22:42.48 | Meiz__n810 | k |
| 22:52.47 | Meiz__n810 | Stskeeps: works now :) |
| 22:52.52 | Stskeeps | woo |
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| 23:20.56 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: you are aware the install will take .. ages?, right? :P |
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| 23:21.27 | Meiz_n810 | it just failed again |
| 23:21.45 | Stskeeps | ar fuck |
| 23:21.46 | Stskeeps | how? |
| 23:21.49 | Meiz_n810 | apt-get nagged about depends |
| 23:21.55 | Stskeeps | fine, i'd like to se |
| 23:21.55 | Stskeeps | e |
| 23:22.08 | Meiz_n810 | how can i skip debootstrapping partg |
| 23:22.33 | Meiz_n810 | is there a log i can show you? |
| 23:22.36 | Stskeeps | prefix with NO_DEBOOTSTRAP=1y |
| 23:22.48 | Stskeeps | yeah, the nag about depends :P |
| 23:23.06 | Stskeeps | also remember to umount /yourtarget/proc /yourtarget/dev/pts |
| 23:23.19 | Meiz_n810 | not workig |
| 23:23.26 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 23:23.33 | Meiz_n810 | it debootstrapps anybay |
| 23:23.36 | Meiz_n810 | way |
| 23:23.39 | Stskeeps | ctrl-c it |
| 23:23.57 | Meiz_n810 | done it already |
| 23:24.00 | Stskeeps | NO_DEBOOTSTRAP=1 sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /yourtarget |
| 23:24.35 | Meiz_n810 | it starts debootstrapping as i said |
| 23:24.41 | Meiz_n810 | ah |
| 23:24.44 | Meiz_n810 | sorry |
| 23:24.47 | Meiz_n810 | wait |
| 23:25.38 | Meiz_n810 | now it failed to mount /proc because it is already mounted :P |
| 23:25.43 | Meiz_n810 | i'll umount i |
| 23:25.45 | Meiz_n810 | it |
| 23:26.32 | Meiz_n810 | now it seems to work |
| 23:27.05 | Meiz_n810 | failed |
| 23:27.13 | Stskeeps | please to pastebin |
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| 23:29.14 | Meiz_n810 | http://pastebin.com/m74eed2f5 |
| 23:29.52 | Meiz_n810 | i will go to sleep... |
| 23:30.06 | Stskeeps | alright, ta |
| 23:30.10 | Stskeeps | i'll look at this.. weird error |
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| 23:47.06 | l7 | is this the most recent version of streamripper for maemo? -> www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8306 |
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| 23:50.06 | Knowledge | Still no word on the new tablet? |
| 23:50.17 | Stskeeps | plenty of rumours |
| 23:50.17 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, same as last time. |
| 23:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | Trust me, you'll notice when it's announced. |
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| 23:51.22 | Knowledge | Damn it...I want to buy something |
| 23:51.40 | woglinde | Knowledge bye some money |
| 23:51.43 | Knowledge | I already have everything that I need...and most of what I want. |
| 23:52.06 | GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, put the $500 in a 6 month CD and wait. :P |
| 23:52.22 | Knowledge | 6 months?!...dude...that would blow |
| 23:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | Summer 2009 |
| 23:52.36 | GeneralAntilles | Beta SDK is coming out in May |
| 23:52.38 | Knowledge | you're not kidding are you... |
| 23:53.30 | Knowledge | hmm...I'm hoping it'll be one HELL of a device |
| 23:53.38 | Knowledge | but then again with nokia, how wouldn't it be |
| 23:53.46 | ^Tux^ | they' |
| 23:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430, HD camera, HDPA? |
| 23:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | The signs are there. |
| 23:53.55 | ^Tux^ | ve bought a bunch of old ipaqs |
| 23:53.59 | ^Tux^ | and are rebranding them |
| 23:54.01 | ^Tux^ | as the new tablets |
| 23:54.11 | ^Tux^ | nokia tablet Stskeeps edition |
| 23:54.13 | Knowledge | HDPA? as in GSM? |
| 23:54.24 | Stskeeps | HSDÆA |
| 23:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | 3G data |
| 23:54.31 | Stskeeps | .. HSDPA |
| 23:54.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:54.39 | Knowledge | yeah, hsdpa..that's right |
| 23:54.56 | Knowledge | I already have EVDO... |
| 23:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | Er, HSPA rather |
| 23:55.15 | GeneralAntilles | But I didn't mean HSDPA |
| 23:56.01 | Knowledge | wait, HSPA looks like a better HSDPA... |
| 23:56.20 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be faster than EVDO, anyway. |
| 23:56.44 | Knowledge | pfft...that would be wonderful, I think EVDO is awesome...granted my carrier just got it about a month ago |
| 23:56.52 | Knowledge | sadly |
| 23:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, right, OpenGL, too. |
| 23:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | 720p decoding |
| 23:57.13 | Knowledge | woah. so, it's going to basically be a netbook? |
| 23:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | So, yeah, there aint much holding this tablet back. |
| 23:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | Er, well, a netbook power in a tablet's formfactor |
| 23:57.40 | Stskeeps | with battery life of a nokia cellphone |
| 23:57.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:57.47 | Knowledge | that's going to be nuts...I can't wait |
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| 23:59.41 | Knowledge | wow man, technology has come a far way if you really think about it....from huge computers to something that fits in your pocket... |
| 23:59.46 | soap | the trick will be to sell your current tablet exactly one day before the announcement. ;) |
| 23:59.58 | Knowledge | No word is what it's going to be called huh? |
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