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| 04:24.28 | johnx | bleh |
| 04:24.43 | johnx | ~lart hildon-desktop for failing to be a shared object when I tell it to |
| 04:24.43 | infobot | frags hildon-desktop with his BFG9000 for failing to be a shared object when I tell it to |
| 04:30.53 | johnx | well building with maemo-launcher support doesn't work for *anyone's* package in my build env :/ |
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| 04:59.20 | szczym_ | helo all das any one know how to install tomboy on n810 ? |
| 04:59.34 | szczym_ | here is the port http://code.google.com/p/tomboy-maemo/ |
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| 05:13.54 | johnx | dunno |
| 05:14.00 | johnx | that page doesn't look very up to date |
| 05:15.50 | johnx | have you tried the info on the page linked? http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo |
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| 05:22.46 | user_ | whats new |
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| 05:56.27 | RST38h | moo johnx |
| 05:57.08 | johnx | m00f |
| 05:57.21 | johnx | sighs and scowls at hildon-desktop |
| 05:59.17 | johnx | but, how goes it with you? |
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| 07:10.41 | `Mace | hi |
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| 07:27.31 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=246127#post246127 heh |
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| 07:35.05 | `Mace | hm |
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| 07:36.46 | t_s_o | i got mixed feelings here... |
| 07:37.30 | qwerty12 | Only thing I see wrong is that talk.maemo.org sounds odder than internettablettalk :P |
| 07:38.41 | t_s_o | i wonder about those added moderators... |
| 07:39.24 | t_s_o | last thing we needs is something like the apple forum, where whole threads are wiped because they talk negatively against the product or company... |
| 07:40.37 | t_s_o | yes, i know maemo.org is not nokia.com, but i still cant help it... |
| 07:41.01 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, I haven't seen that on the mailing lists. |
| 07:41.24 | t_s_o | your probably right, im just being paranoid... |
| 07:41.33 | t_s_o | it becomes a sad habit at some point... |
| 07:42.38 | t_s_o | i guess it comes from having one to many chats with right-wing americans... |
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| 08:10.31 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 08:19.02 | `Mace | anybody here get android going on an n8xx? |
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| 08:20.14 | ptman | I read the blogpost about a nokia announcement, but the time has already passed, does anyone have a link? |
| 08:20.41 | `Mace | im looking at a site now |
| 08:21.04 | `Mace | wish i could put it on my n95 |
| 08:21.25 | `Mace | i dont like symbian that much |
| 08:22.07 | `Mace | its ok but im sure i could get better apps for android |
| 08:23.08 | `Mace | wouldnt mind trying |
| 08:25.07 | Andy80 | it looks like we have a new device: http://conversations.nokia.com/home/2008/12/nokia-n97-marks-evolutionary-milestone-for-nseries-and-mobilekind.html |
| 08:25.09 | Andy80 | :) |
| 08:26.49 | `Mace | heh |
| 08:27.14 | `Mace | thought the n96 was a step backwards |
| 08:27.25 | Meiz_n810 | Looks good....but |
| 08:27.31 | Meiz_n810 | Symbian |
| 08:27.37 | `Mace | yeah |
| 08:27.50 | `Mace | symbian is lacking |
| 08:28.10 | `Mace | they need to ditch it |
| 08:28.47 | `Mace | symbian is good for 8yr old motorolas |
| 08:28.56 | Meiz_n810 | :D |
| 08:29.03 | `Mace | not an n95 |
| 08:29.29 | `Mace | i want to find a new os for it if i can |
| 08:29.53 | `Mace | which is why i am looking now |
| 08:31.27 | Meiz_n810 | there is video about running the android m3 on it |
| 08:32.29 | `Mace | most people think its fake |
| 08:32.36 | `Mace | i do too |
| 08:33.21 | `Mace | ah well. ill see about getting it going later |
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| 08:45.39 | t_s_o | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20081202 |
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| 08:59.44 | aquatix | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/ <- more info on the N97 for whoever is interested |
| 09:00.36 | bergie | shame it isn't maemo |
| 09:00.41 | aquatix | yeah |
| 09:01.01 | aquatix | otoh, the resolution might be a tad low for maemo |
| 09:01.18 | aquatix | and there needs to be some gsm-related maemo apps then |
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| 09:01.55 | bergie | telepathy backends for calling and SMS would be nice :-) |
| 09:02.22 | aquatix | heh, indeed :) |
| 09:02.23 | bergie | then you could use the existing IM app |
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| 09:07.07 | t_s_o | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/ <- presentation video |
| 09:09.29 | Stskeeps | could be interesting if you could switch between symbian and maemo on it.. |
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| 09:15.26 | t_s_o | now thats interesting, when playing around with the nokia product selector, checking "web browser with html" the N810 is hidden, but the N810w remains... |
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| 09:19.02 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:24.51 | t_s_o | i wonder what pockets some people aim for. skintight jeans? |
| 09:25.27 | RST38h | N97! |
| 09:25.29 | RST38h | Yahooooo! |
| 09:26.01 | RST38h | Will probably sell for $1000+ but what the hell |
| 09:26.48 | t_s_o | hehe |
| 09:27.02 | t_s_o | hmm, whats this rumour going around about a nokia 10" computer? |
| 09:27.43 | Jaffa | Oh? |
| 09:29.53 | t_s_o | http://www.cellular-news.com/story/34920.php |
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| 09:34.09 | Jaffa | Hmm |
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| 09:39.55 | RST38h | t_s_o: Easily solved |
| 09:40.20 | RST38h | t_s_o: Look at the leaked list of available development samples. If it is there, the rumor has grounds. Otherwise, it is bullshit. |
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| 09:44.23 | mavhc | that's the reason I bought an n810, half the price of a similar smartphone |
| 09:45.15 | johnx | be interesting to see if that remains true when they pack an HSPA modem into it |
| 09:45.51 | t_s_o | RST38h: thing is, that list may well only be leaked from the phone department. iirc, it didnt list a N900 or equivalent, only symbian running devices |
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| 09:51.31 | lcuk | shivers |
| 09:51.53 | t_s_o | turn up your heater then... |
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| 09:52.25 | RST38h | t_s_o: I would bet 8:2 that they have got a common HW list |
| 09:52.50 | RST38h | absolutely no reason to have two absolutely independent HW teams with their own lists |
| 09:53.07 | t_s_o | in others words, no now maemo device in the future either? |
| 09:53.39 | RST38h | Why? |
| 09:54.19 | t_s_o | iirc, the list didnt show any maemo device |
| 09:54.19 | RST38h | quietly salivates over N97 meanwhile |
| 09:54.42 | RST38h | t_s_o: They might not have the sample at the time the list was leaked |
| 09:55.15 | t_s_o | and the 10" computer could be a recent development... |
| 09:55.35 | t_s_o | basically, the relevancy of the leaked document is dropping rapidly... |
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| 09:57.39 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.42 | RST38h | Comparison |
| 09:58.00 | johnx | well they sure seem to have prototypes in hand a long ways before release |
| 09:58.05 | RST38h | The release date coincides with suspected N900 release date |
| 09:58.27 | t_s_o | hmm, dug up the list (kinda bothersome as engadget had tossed it thanks to some lawyers) and it ends around week 17 2009. thats about april. so plenty of time for new stuff to be added... |
| 09:58.40 | RST38h | true |
| 09:59.24 | RST38h | N97 screen size is just 640x360. Is it less than 5800? |
| 10:01.21 | Dasajev | the same |
| 10:01.26 | t_s_o | same stuff... |
| 10:02.07 | t_s_o | looking at a side by side comparison, the N97 is a 5800 with keyboard ;) |
| 10:02.14 | johnx | They're the same OS, right? |
| 10:02.21 | johnx | or the same version of S60 I mean |
| 10:03.01 | t_s_o | yep |
| 10:03.27 | t_s_o | ok, biggest diff, camera and internal storage. the N97 has 32GB! |
| 10:04.00 | lardman | do we have the spec of the n97 anywhere? |
| 10:05.33 | t_s_o | http://www.newmobile.com/Nokia-N97/ |
| 10:05.46 | RST38h | S60e5 |
| 10:05.48 | lardman | t_s_o: thanks |
| 10:06.09 | lardman | omap3...? |
| 10:07.01 | t_s_o | no clue |
| 10:07.19 | RST38h | will be funny if not |
| 10:07.28 | t_s_o | hmm, seems the screen tilt is not optional, like it is on the htc tytn2... |
| 10:10.18 | RST38h | notice - still no digit buttons and that uncomfortable d-pad |
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| 10:10.57 | johnx | heh...you have to buy a gaming system these days to get a decent d-pad :) |
| 10:11.44 | t_s_o | im not sure even those have one, most seem to focus on analog sticks these days... |
| 10:11.51 | lardman | X-Fade: it has a compass |
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| 10:11.59 | lardman | X-Fade: which is what I thought |
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| 10:12.22 | johnx | t_s_o, well, I'm thinking of one in particular... |
| 10:12.39 | t_s_o | now what could that be? |
| 10:12.52 | johnx | :P hint: runs linux, has omap3 |
| 10:12.58 | t_s_o | :P |
| 10:13.09 | t_s_o | now to get hold of one... |
| 10:13.34 | lardman | johnx: hmm, I wonder when the hardware issues will be ironed out though.... |
| 10:13.46 | johnx | shrugs |
| 10:14.20 | johnx | I'm happy enough for now just poking at stuff in Mer |
| 10:15.00 | lardman | yeah, just that I don't want to waste money on it if the Nokia device is out soon |
| 10:15.26 | johnx | fair enough. |
| 10:15.40 | johnx | I'll be passing on at least the next round of tablets though |
| 10:16.20 | lardman | ah |
| 10:17.37 | LiraNuna_ | anyone with the N810 WiMax here? |
| 10:19.26 | Meiz_n810 | WiMax is a lot better than wlan.. i would like to see it getting some space from wlan... |
| 10:19.52 | lardman | I don't think we have wimax over here |
| 10:20.09 | Meiz_n810 | where do you live? |
| 10:20.14 | lardman | England |
| 10:20.18 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 10:20.30 | Meiz_n810 | i am in finland |
| 10:20.36 | lardman | certainly no hype about it here anyway |
| 10:20.58 | Meiz_n810 | there is like one wimax spot in the country... |
| 10:21.04 | lardman | :) |
| 10:21.13 | Myrtti | Meiz_n810: Ruoholahti ;-) |
| 10:21.15 | lardman | got to start somewhere hey? |
| 10:21.27 | Myrtti | Meiz_n810: perhaps Hervanta |
| 10:21.30 | Meiz_n810 | Myrtti: k |
| 10:21.38 | Myrtti | no, I don't know in reality |
| 10:21.40 | Myrtti | just guessing |
| 10:22.10 | towo | I regret having the same telephone number as my windows colleague. |
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| 10:23.26 | aquatix | towo: :( |
| 10:23.28 | lardman | johnx: though reading the fora that latest update is more optimistic |
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| 10:24.47 | LiraNuna_ | I want to know what will work (or not) with deblet on N810 WiMAX |
| 10:24.59 | LiraNuna_ | I foresee WiMAX not working, and that's fine |
| 10:26.48 | johnx | lardman, meh. it will be released at some point before the rx-51/n900 and I'm thinking that the rx-51 will be at least a $100 premium for an HSPA modem and camera I have no intention of using |
| 10:27.51 | RST38h | If N900 is going to replace N810, it will have to be about the same in price |
| 10:28.36 | johnx | RST38h, don't be so sure. They're apparently going to call it a different name and slapping a wimax modem in the old n810 sure put a premium on that |
| 10:29.35 | Meiz_n810 | Comparing pandora and rx-51... rx-51 probably has bigger screen resolution... |
| 10:30.04 | johnx | I'll bet dollars to donuts it's 800x480 |
| 10:31.38 | Meiz_n810 | i bet rx-51 screen will be 1024x600 |
| 10:32.01 | johnx | well, the fremantle themes will certainly give us a clue |
| 10:32.43 | ShadowJK | Meiz_n810, there are several wimax operators in the country... |
| 10:33.33 | Meiz_n810 | k |
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| 10:40.20 | ShadowJK | but I don't think any of them use the same frequency as N810W :) |
| 10:49.39 | t_s_o | ok, im seriosly in love with dbus-switchboard now that it has a gui :D |
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| 10:52.45 | johnx | a GUI? I really have to look at that |
| 10:57.09 | t_s_o | that and gpe file manager have allowed me to work around the issue of the maemo file manager and open file dialogs sometimes not showing enough of the file names... |
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| 11:01.49 | Stskeeps | 'lo johnx |
| 11:02.18 | johnx | hey Stskeeps |
| 11:02.25 | Stskeeps | how goes the h-d? |
| 11:02.37 | johnx | building things with maemo-launcher support in jaunty is just not working it seems |
| 11:02.49 | Stskeeps | curious .. gcc3 vs gcc4 difference maybe? |
| 11:02.58 | johnx | possibly libtool? |
| 11:03.03 | Stskeeps | that's a possibility too |
| 11:03.16 | johnx | I can lead you up to where I got, but I think I'm getting out of my depth :/ |
| 11:04.10 | Stskeeps | i'll look into it i guess |
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| 11:07.04 | johnx | this seems to be the part of the Makefile meant to do the magic: http://pastebin.com/m76c91e08 |
| 11:10.59 | Stskeeps | does it run autogen.sh in rules? |
| 11:11.07 | johnx | yes |
| 11:11.09 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 11:11.19 | Stskeeps | i'll take a look when i'm home i guess |
| 11:11.27 | johnx | ah, that's the other thing: I can't get anyone's hildon-desktop package to do the maemo-launcher magic in jaunty |
| 11:11.34 | johnx | ah, sure. no rush |
| 11:11.49 | Stskeeps | going to make a image builder for an atom board for mer :P |
| 11:12.21 | Stskeeps | if you are in need of something less frustrating, we need to package tslib and omapfb again |
| 11:12.37 | Stskeeps | and possibly linking it with the upstream omapfb driver (sits on git) |
| 11:12.58 | johnx | yeah, that sounds comparatively pleasant :) |
| 11:13.01 | johnx | I'll take a look |
| 11:13.18 | Stskeeps | where's your h-d branch at? |
| 11:14.00 | johnx | I've been working with the vanilla stage.maemo.org one to minimize guesswork at what might be making it fail |
| 11:14.04 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:14.12 | johnx | exact same symptoms in all of them |
| 11:14.44 | johnx | also, Makefile reference and how it's expanded: http://pastebin.com/m4c10a624 |
| 11:14.57 | johnx | I mean, it *looks* right >_< |
| 11:15.00 | Stskeeps | and i guess we test on i386? |
| 11:15.38 | johnx | yeah |
| 11:15.51 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:15.55 | Stskeeps | makes it easier to debug .:P |
| 11:16.07 | johnx | yeah, would have gone crazy doing arm builds |
| 11:16.50 | johnx | qwerty12 tested for me inside scratchbox both ARM and x86 with the tags 2.0.19-1 version |
| 11:16.54 | johnx | both build as shared objects |
| 11:16.58 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:17.36 | Stskeeps | i'm also slowly moving repo and all mer-related things to a chroot |
| 11:18.08 | Stskeeps | .. it'll be sitting in my basement |
| 11:18.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:18.49 | johnx | planning on hosting the repo on your home internet connection? |
| 11:19.07 | Stskeeps | well, the master one and then mirroring it out |
| 11:19.20 | Stskeeps | trac was already on my home conn so |
| 11:19.43 | Stskeeps | but it's been hit by some odd bandwidth management where it's sitting atm so |
| 11:20.30 | johnx | ah, ick |
| 11:22.14 | Stskeeps | also i have a server with raid that's doing absolutely nothing, so :p |
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| 11:31.20 | Stskeeps | you know of any good platforms that does bzr hosting? |
| 11:31.39 | Stskeeps | i start to dislike lp more and more |
| 11:32.16 | johnx | I really don't |
| 11:32.17 | Stskeeps | but that might just be me.. |
| 11:32.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:32.19 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:32.25 | Stskeeps | well more as in products |
| 11:32.34 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: you want alioth pkg-maemo access? :P |
| 11:33.00 | johnx | "pkg-config --libs libosso" returns "-L//lib -losso -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0" |
| 11:33.04 | johnx | that looks odd to me ... |
| 11:33.19 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: what software does alioth run? |
| 11:33.29 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: gforge |
| 11:33.35 | Stskeeps | gforce supports bzr? |
| 11:33.36 | suihkulokki | (forked, as usual) |
| 11:33.53 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:34.09 | suihkulokki | not real bzr support, put it provides authentication to bzr.debian.org |
| 11:34.10 | Stskeeps | maemo.org was a gforge too wasn't it? |
| 11:34.17 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 11:46.38 | Stskeeps | sees if there's anything new on the stage today |
| 11:46.54 | bergie | Stskeeps: garage.maemo.org is gforge, maemo.org is Midgard |
| 11:47.21 | Stskeeps | bergie: thanks |
| 11:47.29 | bergie | and garage will probably start doing git in near future |
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| 11:48.01 | Stskeeps | seems like it has a git plugin too |
| 11:50.51 | bergie | Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/Git_For_Garage |
| 11:53.06 | Stskeeps | any idea if stage.maemo.org svn switch to git too or? |
| 11:53.24 | bergie | no idea except what it says in that wiki page |
| 11:53.38 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 11:53.49 | Stskeeps | sounds like a good plan though :) may encourage contribution |
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| 12:04.36 | Stskeeps | ponders trac or just continuing with launchpad |
| 12:05.42 | bergie | Trac is quite sweet |
| 12:06.41 | Stskeeps | yeah, but the question is always if it is collaborative enough |
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| 12:55.43 | RST38h | yawn? |
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| 13:01.56 | Stskeeps | yawn. |
| 13:02.11 | RST38h | Not excited by N97? =) |
| 13:02.44 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind it as a tablet. |
| 13:02.50 | Stskeeps | but symbian makes me cringe. |
| 13:03.17 | RST38h | Ah come on, it does the job |
| 13:03.18 | Stskeeps | and price level is quite high |
| 13:03.22 | johnx | if I was gonna go closed source, full featured smart-phone I would probably just get an iphone and be done with it |
| 13:03.23 | RST38h | e550? |
| 13:03.40 | RST38h | johnx: iPhone is a fashion item, N97 is a tool |
| 13:03.55 | `Mace | hm |
| 13:03.57 | RST38h | (even although Nokia is screaming that it is a fashion item :)) |
| 13:03.59 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i wouldn't mind a tablet "kit", - like, insertable touch screen, etc |
| 13:04.01 | Stskeeps | casing |
| 13:04.03 | `Mace | wtf do you need for nero recode to work with 5.1? |
| 13:04.07 | Stskeeps | so you can build your own sizes |
| 13:04.09 | RST38h | Sts: Why not Beagle then? |
| 13:04.15 | johnx | RST38h, you drank the anti-koolaid, or the Nokia-brand koolaid or something... |
| 13:04.22 | Stskeeps | RST38h: .. got one |
| 13:04.37 | RST38h | johnx: I drunk koolaid (real one) exactly one time in my life |
| 13:04.57 | Stskeeps | RST38h: actually, got two |
| 13:05.02 | RST38h | johnx: I remember it from having to wash the floor with heavy detergent to get rid of the colored spots |
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| 13:05.11 | johnx | ahaha |
| 13:05.15 | RST38h | Sts: Ah, then just stick them together for a bigger screen! |
| 13:05.27 | johnx | I grew up on the stuff so I'm mostly immune to the weaponized marketing version |
| 13:06.23 | RST38h | johnx: having said that, no memory cards, no BT, and no programmability make iPhone useless for me |
| 13:06.46 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well when i speak of kit.. stylish casings, integrated battery, board, ability to replace casing with a bigger one and insert bigger touch screen.. |
| 13:06.48 | RST38h | Overpriced toy with strings, sorry |
| 13:06.56 | Stskeeps | so if i wanted a 14" tablet, i could make it |
| 13:07.02 | Stskeeps | like desktop pcs |
| 13:07.10 | RST38h | Sts: Yes but how do you get BOTH ability to modify and the stylish factor in the same package? |
| 13:07.33 | `Mace | hm |
| 13:07.36 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well, different casings, possibly |
| 13:07.40 | `Mace | i wonder if the android install on the n95 is for real |
| 13:07.47 | `Mace | i would love to get rid of symbian |
| 13:07.49 | Stskeeps | `Mace: the verdict is still out on that one |
| 13:07.56 | Stskeeps | `Mace: i wouldn't mind trying out debian on a n95.. :P |
| 13:08.00 | johnx | RST38h, exactly. spending a lot of money on a phone I can't hack doesn't seem all that worthwhile to me. my next phone will probably be just a phone, likely with bt and 3g this time |
| 13:08.02 | `Mace | yeah... you would figure there would be more information about it |
| 13:08.04 | RST38h | Sts: Wouldn't you want to upgrade the hw too, as faster CPUs become available? |
| 13:08.12 | `Mace | especially since the video is a couple months old |
| 13:08.18 | Stskeeps | RST38h: replacing the soc is fine for me |
| 13:08.26 | RST38h | johnx: Actually, N97 would probably do it for me as a replacement for E70 |
| 13:08.43 | RST38h | Sts; Then why not replace the whole thing at once - display, SoC, casing? ;) |
| 13:09.00 | RST38h | johnx: the keyboard is definitely worse than E70's but you can't have it all |
| 13:09.05 | Stskeeps | RST38h: cos that requires a company to model those then |
| 13:09.16 | `Mace | i'm so sick of symbian on my n95 |
| 13:09.16 | RST38h | Sts: Nokia or HTC |
| 13:09.18 | RST38h | Choose one |
| 13:09.18 | Stskeeps | and i want to customize the tablets to my house/needs |
| 13:09.24 | `Mace | wonder if there is something else i can put on it |
| 13:09.26 | Stskeeps | and not based on marketing |
| 13:09.45 | RST38h | Mace: Should have known better than buying an overpriced brickphone |
| 13:09.58 | `Mace | i love my n95.. just don't like symbian that much |
| 13:10.03 | Stskeeps | `Mace: look into if anyone managed to flash anything on top of a n95 :P |
| 13:10.08 | johnx | finally got a noopt build of gtk for ARM done and it's broken >_< |
| 13:10.11 | glass_ | Stskeeps: afaik no |
| 13:10.12 | `Mace | i mean it's not BAD.. i just want a little more off it ;) |
| 13:10.17 | RST38h | What exactly is a problem with Symbian? It makes things tick |
| 13:10.32 | RST38h | What "more" do you want? |
| 13:10.32 | glass_ | RST38h: it's that people think they'd get more if it run qtopia phone ed or something |
| 13:10.35 | `Mace | i don't know if i can give a good reference |
| 13:10.38 | glass_ | having never tried them |
| 13:10.53 | RST38h | glass: Poor guys, tempted by ephemeral penguin |
| 13:10.54 | `Mace | well.. symbian is a little more difficult to tweak |
| 13:11.09 | RST38h | Mace: No, what exactly do you want from your N95? |
| 13:11.17 | glass_ | `Mace: would a closede linux be better? try some motorolas |
| 13:11.33 | glass_ | and well if you're the hackety type you can do quite a bit with symbian |
| 13:11.44 | glass_ | programming phonefeaturewise etc |
| 13:12.04 | RST38h | Symbian is pretty much hackable, as long as you are prepared to search and read documentation |
| 13:12.16 | RST38h | But before you do that, you should know exactly just WHAT you want to do |
| 13:12.18 | glass_ | and tear your hair |
| 13:12.21 | glass_ | yeah |
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| 13:13.30 | johnx | yeah, I've kind of accepted that right now there's nothing that's "hackable linux" and "usable as a phone" |
| 13:14.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, openmoko doesn't qualify for the last :P |
| 13:14.25 | RST38h | "What I found most impressive is that users simply looking for a no-nonsense, practical tool will find the N97 is worth a second look" (C)TheRegister |
| 13:14.34 | RST38h | Reading my mind, ain't they? |
| 13:15.07 | ShadowJK | The most sensible way to code apps for symbian is in python, which is saying something |
| 13:15.24 | RST38h | Sts: Btw, wherever you say "openmoko" you should be able to say "pandora" in a half a year ;) |
| 13:15.29 | johnx | so I might as well buy a phone that's just a tool for making phone calls, a "phone appliance" if you will and continue carrying a separate "mobile computer" |
| 13:15.46 | RST38h | ShadowJK: It is sayng that you have not taken time trying to learn how to do it in C or C++ |
| 13:15.55 | johnx | RST38h, they're adding a phone to the pandora? :P |
| 13:16.10 | ShadowJK | RST38h, well I'd need to invest in a new computer and buy Windows first too |
| 13:16.17 | RST38h | johnx: Ok, replace "phone" with ;gaming system" or whatever fits the description |
| 13:16.30 | RST38h | ShadowJK: On other words, you have not tried |
| 13:16.49 | suihkulokki | reliability req's for a gaming device is quite different from a phone |
| 13:16.51 | johnx | RST38h, Actually, the emulators are shaping up nicely it appears, the battery life looks good |
| 13:16.55 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Well, I had to install Ubuntu just to develop for Maemo too :) |
| 13:17.19 | johnx | RST38h, whether it's a usable PDA/mobile linux platform depends on how portable fremantle is I think :) |
| 13:17.21 | ShadowJK | RST38h, I went with python because it didn't require me to shell out more money |
| 13:18.11 | Stskeeps | hmm. can a x86 pc act as usb gadget? |
| 13:18.13 | RST38h | johnx: heh :) |
| 13:18.39 | RST38h | ShadowJK: [smiling sadistically] But you can run Windows inside a VMware appliance! B) |
| 13:18.43 | aquatix | ok, anyone in Nokia here that can ship me that N97 Soon(tm)? :) |
| 13:19.08 | johnx | like "Soon(tm)" in terms of geological time? |
| 13:19.12 | ShadowJK | RST38h, supposedly it even works in qemu, but I don't have any windows newer than win98, would that work? :-) |
| 13:19.30 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Isn't this what Nokia guys tell to us, poor sods who are tied to Windows? |
| 13:19.50 | RST38h | ShadowJK: My guess is that Win98 will do just fine with Symbian/S60 SDK |
| 13:19.55 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 13:19.56 | johnx | linux live disks actually work though :P |
| 13:20.22 | RST38h | The Symbian simulator prolly won't work but screw it anyway |
| 13:21.12 | aquatix | johnx: in terms as `damn, that's a nice christmas present' |
| 13:21.19 | GAN800 | t_s_o, what sort of mods do you think we're gonna dredge up? :/ |
| 13:21.22 | aquatix | christmas 2008 that is ;) |
| 13:21.39 | johnx | aquatix, ah, you caught that before I finished typing |
| 13:21.41 | johnx | :P |
| 13:21.43 | RST38h | aquatix: you will probably have to start celebrating 4th of July |
| 13:21.46 | aquatix | johnx: ;) |
| 13:21.56 | RST38h | aquatix: 'cause that is when N97 is gonna arrive |
| 13:21.56 | aquatix | RST38h: no way going to do that ;) |
| 13:22.01 | aquatix | ah |
| 13:22.14 | aquatix | well, i'll just celebrate aquatix.gadgets++ day then |
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| 13:35.31 | RST38h | wonders what will happen when some time in December we find out that Fremantle SDK uses 640x360 screen size |
| 13:35.58 | Stskeeps | torches |
| 13:36.16 | RST38h | And somewhere before the next summer it becomes clear that "N900" is just an N97 with an alternative OS |
| 13:36.24 | Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure i would mind |
| 13:36.40 | GAN800 | That's not gonna happen |
| 13:36.47 | RST38h | GAN: Sure? |
| 13:37.04 | RST38h | Specs seem to match what we know of N900 |
| 13:37.27 | johnx | RST38h, zaurus users will rejoice :) |
| 13:37.47 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't mind N97 with alternative OS |
| 13:37.48 | RST38h | johnx: All 5 of them? =) |
| 13:37.53 | ShadowJK | or N95 with alternative OS |
| 13:37.58 | ShadowJK | or E71, etc :P |
| 13:38.01 | RST38h | But it is a smaller screen, mind you |
| 13:38.30 | johnx | RST38h, there are plenty but they're quiet for the most part since it seems like their devices actually do most of what they care about |
| 13:39.48 | RST38h | I wonder if there are any Zoomer users left... |
| 13:40.35 | johnx | I have no idea what that is... |
| 13:40.55 | GAN800 | is surprised the talk.maemo.org announcement didn't generate more noise. |
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| 13:40.58 | johnx | wait, found it |
| 13:41.42 | RST38h | GAN: Just saw it. Cool |
| 13:41.43 | GAN800 | RST38h, the entire reason the tablets are useful devices is the resolution. |
| 13:41.53 | RST38h | GAN: Exactly |
| 13:42.02 | Stskeeps | GAN800: tablettalk.maemo.org sounds cooler than talk.maemo.org, and worries of censorship, but that's about it.. |
| 13:42.12 | Stskeeps | seems like nokia behaves on their own forums though |
| 13:42.14 | RST38h | And 640x360 makes them useless for full-page PDF viewing |
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| 13:42.39 | johnx | PDFs make themselves useful for rendering on anything but the creator's monitor... |
| 13:42.40 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, maemo.org is a community address. . . . |
| 13:42.41 | Stskeeps | GAN800: and this just makes maemo.org community larger |
| 13:42.43 | johnx | s/useful/useless/ |
| 13:42.44 | RST38h | Sts: You can have aliases, no problem there. As to censorship, I doubt you will see it in this particular case |
| 13:42.54 | Stskeeps | yeah, and i doubt it too |
| 13:43.10 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, they are ok, especially without alternatives |
| 13:43.11 | GAN800 | there wont be censorship |
| 13:43.15 | GAN800 | period. |
| 13:43.37 | GAN800 | I'll personally assure that. :) |
| 13:43.45 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, once you convert them to html and reflow them... |
| 13:43.50 | RST38h | Yahooooooo! XP booted! |
| 13:44.01 | Stskeeps | .. on your N95? :> |
| 13:44.12 | RST38h | johnx: I have got quite a few converted from old paper documentation scans. Can't do much about them =( |
| 13:44.21 | GAN800 | The servers aren't being changed and 'new admins' basically means 'X-Fade' |
| 13:44.30 | johnx | ocr -> pdftohtml -> enjoy |
| 13:44.33 | RST38h | Sts: this part is classified. |
| 13:44.46 | RST38h | johnx: No longer have original docs |
| 13:44.46 | johnx | May I suggest fbreader for long html files |
| 13:44.50 | GAN800 | You've all seen what a heavy hand he has on the lists :roll: |
| 13:45.00 | Stskeeps | GAN800: does this mean council members have control over iTT? :> |
| 13:45.16 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I'm not interested in that myself. |
| 13:45.19 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:45.44 | RST38h | will be delighted to run around the forums screaming "THE HAVE KILLED KAREL!" |
| 13:45.47 | GAN800 | But their position kinda == root@maemo.org |
| 13:45.50 | RST38h | s/THE/THEY |
| 13:46.20 | johnx | RST38h, what will kill him is maemo on pandora :) |
| 13:46.27 | GAN800 | Reggie's still at the wheel. |
| 13:46.53 | GAN800 | maemo.org is just is just ridding shotgun now. :) |
| 13:47.28 | Jaffa | Also, "tablet" talk won't be so appropriate when they drop the "Internet Tablet" moniiker |
| 13:47.57 | RST38h | johnx: There is still chance he will suicide when Pandora does not arrive in June |
| 13:48.24 | GAN800 | It was funny to see Peter talk about Maemo on N95s. |
| 13:48.35 | RST38h | Jaffa: I see no problem in having a DNS alias |
| 13:48.40 | Stskeeps | GAN800: @Marketing? |
| 13:48.48 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, yeah |
| 13:49.02 | RST38h | Jaffa: If there are people who like tablettalk.maemo.org and it does not cost anything, why not give them an alias? |
| 13:49.03 | Stskeeps | GAN800: nokia should really do an attempt in taking an older model, give community specs to get things booting.. |
| 13:49.16 | Stskeeps | and see what comes out of it |
| 13:49.20 | Stskeeps | (based on maemo, of course) |
| 13:49.26 | RST38h | GAN: Is he a real thing or a busybody not related to Nokia? |
| 13:49.39 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, Nokia has never been much for community support. :p |
| 13:49.43 | Stskeeps | GAN800: sadly :P |
| 13:49.51 | GAN800 | RST38h, Quim's boss. |
| 13:50.00 | RST38h | GAN: Ah, cool! |
| 13:50.03 | GAN800 | s/community/legacy/ |
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| 13:50.11 | Stskeeps | GAN800: still good publicity :P |
| 13:50.20 | GAN800 | Yeah |
| 13:50.21 | RST38h | So, there is a guy between Quim and Ari? |
| 13:50.51 | GAN800 | I bet 3rd party vendors like imagination tech are an issue thougj |
| 13:51.01 | GAN800 | RST38h, yes. |
| 13:51.17 | Stskeeps | "organisational chart of maemo.org and maemo sw" |
| 13:51.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:51.21 | Stskeeps | so needed |
| 13:51.26 | GAN800 | RST38h, that was my first reaction, to. |
| 13:51.31 | GAN800 | s/to/too/ |
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| 13:51.38 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, seriously. |
| 13:51.52 | GAN800 | They are a publicly traded company. |
| 13:52.05 | GAN800 | That should entitle us to SOMETHING. :P |
| 13:52.08 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:52.23 | abinader | :q |
| 13:52.30 | abinader | oops! :P |
| 13:52.39 | GAN800 | Though it'd be hilarious to put together a chart based on what we know. |
| 13:53.31 | GAN800 | 'OK, there's Ari up at the top, the over in marketing we have Peter telling Quim what to do, then ragnar's got the UI stuff . . .' |
| 13:53.43 | GAN800 | s/the/then/ |
| 13:54.13 | RST38h | Out of all tholse, you only want the people who make technical decisions |
| 13:54.35 | GAN800 | The product managers we NEVER see |
| 13:55.02 | GAN800 | Even though some, like Rodrigo (desktop), are on Freenode. . . . |
| 13:55.11 | RST38h | Finding common language with the marketing is going to be complicated by definition |
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| 13:55.40 | aquatix | brrr... marketing |
| 13:55.46 | johnx | well at least "What the hell is Maemo?!" is finally explained... |
| 13:56.04 | GAN800 | Well, so far, we've got Peter and Quim and they aint too bad. ;) |
| 13:56.30 | GAN800 | johnx, it's a development platform, didn't you hear? :p |
| 13:56.52 | johnx | I mean Maemo 5 not being OS2009 |
| 13:57.10 | GAN800 | I'm kidding. ;) |
| 13:57.20 | johnx | ah, wasn't sure :P |
| 13:58.23 | GAN800 | That's what it USED to ne |
| 13:58.27 | GAN800 | s/ne/be/ |
| 13:58.36 | johnx | well, according to some people |
| 13:58.49 | GAN800 | Before Nokia decided they wanted to use the trademark for themselves. |
| 13:59.13 | GAN800 | No, seriously, maemo was the development platform |
| 13:59.39 | GAN800 | Many people may have used it to describe other things, but it really was just the DP. |
| 14:00.06 | johnx | well, yeah, but then there was maemo.org hosting software, packages called maemo-desktop and the OS the tablets run being called "Maemo Linux" |
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| 14:00.31 | GAN800 | it was never called that |
| 14:00.43 | GAN800 | Not by Nokia, anyway |
| 14:00.46 | johnx | granted, Nokia didn't coin that last one |
| 14:00.57 | johnx | but they didn't offer anything besides OS200x |
| 14:00.59 | Jaffa | Do we know the screen res of an N97 yet? The d-pad on http://conversations.nokia.com/.a/6a00d834574c6e69e201053630d120970c-800wi looks awfully familiar |
| 14:01.09 | johnx | 640x360 ? |
| 14:01.16 | GAN800 | Nokia was always consistent in their usage, even if the community was not. |
| 14:01.20 | RST38h | Jaffa: The whole thing is familiar - just look at the virtual keyboard screen in S60e5 |
| 14:01.39 | johnx | maemo-desktop? that's what now? the desktop of my development environment? |
| 14:01.48 | RST38h | hildon-desktop maybe? |
| 14:01.53 | johnx | well it is now :) |
| 14:02.14 | Jaffa | Ah, 640x360 for N97 apparently |
| 14:02.32 | johnx | anyways, things are clear now, I'm happy, case closed, returns to hacking |
| 14:03.56 | GAN800 | lol, 'buying a community' |
| 14:04.29 | GAN800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25297&page=6 |
| 14:05.21 | johnx | it has a certain truth to it |
| 14:05.28 | johnx | but it's more like a rent-to-own program |
| 14:05.36 | johnx | leasing a community? |
| 14:05.39 | GAN800 | RX-51 has got to have at least 32GB onboard |
| 14:05.41 | timeless | looks up |
| 14:06.01 | johnx | GAN800, nah, tablets must be made out of Nokia spare parts. That's the rule. :) |
| 14:06.08 | timeless | it's true! |
| 14:06.36 | Stskeeps | wonders where the big touch screens came from then |
| 14:07.42 | johnx | what was the screen size on the older touchscreen Nokia phones? |
| 14:10.18 | johnx | ah, 4 inches and 4.5 inches? maybe the next one was going to be 4.3"? :) |
| 14:10.40 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:11.12 | johnx | what's the trick for having dch append mer instead of ubuntu while packaging? |
| 14:11.25 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure, i do it manually |
| 14:11.29 | Stskeeps | if you find out, please do say |
| 14:11.42 | GAN800 | I've found I just don't care about phones anymore |
| 14:11.54 | Stskeeps | heh, i usually use my tablet |
| 14:12.03 | Stskeeps | using skype on it to talk to my gf while she's in berlin |
| 14:12.13 | Stskeeps | tablet in pocket, headset plugged into tablet |
| 14:12.23 | GAN800 | They're all totally crippled by software. |
| 14:13.09 | johnx | GAN800, exactly! that's what I was getting at earlier. and if that's the case, they might as well be an appliance and do as little as possible |
| 14:13.38 | GAN800 | Which is where I'm at with my current Samsung |
| 14:13.39 | timeless | frowns |
| 14:13.49 | timeless | they really have auto rotation working? |
| 14:14.02 | GAN800 | Small, 3g, makes ans receives phonecalls. |
| 14:14.09 | GAN800 | Sounds like it. |
| 14:14.20 | johnx | preferably with lots of battery life and bt |
| 14:14.41 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind my cellphone simply functioning as a device that provides voice-over-whatever streams and connectivity. |
| 14:15.02 | Stskeeps | that wires into my tablet |
| 14:15.13 | GAN800 | Battery life is starting to wane |
| 14:15.26 | GAN800 | I'm due for a contract renewal soon |
| 14:15.40 | GAN800 | Not sure if I want a new phone or just get a new battery |
| 14:15.45 | timeless | sighs |
| 14:15.49 | timeless | nokia and user interfaces... |
| 14:15.59 | Stskeeps | i'm pondering to see if my usb cable for my s-e phone (which supports ACM/ethernet emulation) pulls any power from my tablet at all |
| 14:15.59 | GAN800 | As there's nothing out there that looks remotely interesting. |
| 14:16.12 | timeless | wonders what the three empty buttons on the application screen do |
| 14:16.15 | timeless | 'crash'? :) |
| 14:18.33 | Stskeeps | hm, what's iphone battery life like anyway? |
| 14:19.56 | GAN800 | Somebody slap thoughtfix with some capital M's . . . http://tabletblog.com/2008/12/nokias-latest-n97-takes-away-need-for.html |
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| 14:22.35 | Stskeeps | video on here, http://gizmodo.com/5100707/nokia-n97-unveiled-the-first-high+end-n+series-touch-phone does remind me of something clutter would be used for |
| 14:24.02 | johnx | that would be a very sensible use IMHO |
| 14:24.16 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:24.50 | Stskeeps | i'd actually consider that one, but i think i'm waiting for rx-51 |
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| 14:25.20 | RST38h | GAN: Thoughtfix is essentially correct |
| 14:25.35 | timeless | what did thoughtfix say? |
| 14:27.37 | Stskeeps | johnx: are there any .jp like tablets though? alike NITs |
| 14:28.28 | johnx | there is an absolute proliferation of multimedia dictionaries, think zaurus formfactor, proprietary OS, built in TV tuner, video player |
| 14:28.40 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 14:29.06 | johnx | in fact the linux-based zaurus was just a dead-end road for sharp in that regard |
| 14:29.24 | johnx | everyone just uses a phone |
| 14:29.58 | Stskeeps | they're more like mini computers i guess? |
| 14:30.21 | johnx | 3G is everywhere, websites are actually formatted for phones, and people have lots of time to use them one handed on the train |
| 14:30.47 | johnx | nah, mostly blocky clamshells with crappy proprietary OSes, but lots and lots of features |
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| 14:31.38 | johnx | every basic phone has 3G, AGPS, but most just have a mobile web browser, not even opera mini |
| 14:32.22 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 14:33.39 | RST38h | mobile web browser == WAP? |
| 14:33.49 | johnx | or something like it I guess |
| 14:34.16 | johnx | my phone has opera. totally lucked out in that regard |
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| 14:34.47 | RST38h | johnx: Why not buy a European phone and use TMobile or whatever GSM provider has invaded .jp by now? |
| 14:35.06 | johnx | there's no GSM network |
| 14:35.16 | johnx | let that sink in for a while |
| 14:35.28 | Stskeeps | if there was pervasive 3g/4g, i wouldn't care :P |
| 14:35.38 | RST38h | johnx: I think there is some |
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| 14:36.10 | RST38h | NTT and Softbank seem to be using 3G 2100 |
| 14:36.20 | RST38h | That it standard enough |
| 14:36.23 | johnx | right, but not GSM/GPRS |
| 14:36.35 | RST38h | Why not use a 3G Nokia phone then? |
| 14:37.06 | johnx | only some providers are actually friendly to signing foreigners up on contracts |
| 14:37.13 | johnx | and pre-paid is a terrible scam here |
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| 14:39.05 | RST38h | asks the Tentacled One to summarily teach those network operators a lesson |
| 14:39.09 | johnx | RST38h, hmm, might have jumped the gun on which networks support GSM. pretty sure docomo doesn't though |
| 14:39.33 | RST38h | johnx: TMobile had .jp operations afaik |
| 14:39.49 | johnx | news to me |
| 14:39.59 | johnx | never saw them represented in brick and mortar stores |
| 14:40.13 | johnx | like I said though. I don't care much since I want my phone to be an appliance |
| 14:40.46 | johnx | only thing it's missing is bluetooth |
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| 14:44.26 | ShadowJK | iirc japan avoided WAP like the plague. How sensible of them :) |
| 14:45.03 | GAN800 | Does anybody find the 'gender neutral' use of 'she' baffling? |
| 14:45.11 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Still, I remember NTT talking head saying that they are integrating Java in their phones "because it is the only way to send and receive pictures" |
| 14:45.22 | RST38h | GAN: I use "he". |
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| 14:45.26 | ShadowJK | GAN800, I've seen people use "hir" :-) |
| 14:45.44 | RST38h | Except when talking about a computer user |
| 14:46.02 | GAN800 | 'they' works |
| 14:46.13 | RST38h | 'they' will sound creepy |
| 14:46.24 | GAN800 | and it's in common enough usage these days. |
| 14:46.54 | derf | "She" is not gender neutral. |
| 14:47.45 | RST38h | Use 'it'. |
| 14:48.16 | Stskeeps | glances at the picopsu on his table |
| 14:48.19 | RST38h | Or 'he/she'. Or '(s)he' |
| 14:48.21 | Stskeeps | it's absurd how small this thing is |
| 14:48.28 | GAN800 | derf, clearly, but a lot of people use it like it is. |
| 14:48.36 | Stskeeps | ( http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f ) |
| 14:48.42 | RST38h | Sts: The important thing is how bad it blows up |
| 14:48.53 | derf | GAN800: Those people are dumb, or have a giant chip on their shoulder, or both. |
| 14:48.59 | GAN800 | h(or)sh/it |
| 14:49.07 | RST38h | Oh yeeees |
| 14:50.44 | RST38h | At least Russian grammar is free from this dilemma |
| 14:51.24 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, small things terrify me. |
| 14:51.42 | johnx | Stskeeps, the executive summary is: for not very good reasons it's kind of a pain to make dch automatically append mer$n without modifying it or changing our lsb_release away from Ubuntu :| (AFAICT) |
| 14:52.03 | johnx | RST38h, and full of other dilemmas? |
| 14:52.50 | RST38h | johnx: not of this kind :) |
| 14:53.16 | johnx | every language has its own new and special weirdness |
| 14:53.19 | Stskeeps | johnx: neato |
| 14:53.57 | johnx | changing dch and using a local version seems reasonable since it's just for convenience |
| 14:54.00 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:54.04 | RST38h | johnx: The he/she one is more of political origin. Proper English requires you to use "he" |
| 14:54.30 | johnx | no one speaks proper english :P |
| 14:54.41 | johnx | it's a mythical beast, like unicorns and honest politicians |
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| 14:55.35 | aquatix | s/he\/she/it/g |
| 14:56.04 | johnx | how about "the individual" |
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| 14:56.48 | RST38h | Use "the long pig" |
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| 14:57.05 | Stskeeps | let's use the character ~ for he/she |
| 14:57.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:57.19 | johnx | Stskeeps++ |
| 14:57.37 | RST38h | Stskeeps: or "user" |
| 14:57.50 | Stskeeps | $USER |
| 14:57.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:58.41 | Stskeeps | heads off to the bus |
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| 15:14.53 | johnx | the N97 UI looks a lot less slick on a real phone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?fs=1&v=AD-elt8MN3I |
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| 15:18.54 | RST38h | It doesn't look very slick on the Pr images as well |
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| 15:19.18 | RST38h | Don't think anybody expects it to look iphone-slick though... |
| 15:20.17 | ShadowJK | needs more smudgemagnet paint |
| 15:20.21 | johnx | well there was the PR video which had the applets rotating while the phone switched from portrait -> landscape |
| 15:20.35 | johnx | which seems kind of misleading |
| 15:20.37 | RST38h | and this also occurs in this video |
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| 15:20.45 | RST38h | and it does happen very fast |
| 15:20.59 | ShadowJK | It can take several seconds on my E70 |
| 15:21.06 | ShadowJK | (switching between portrai and landscape) |
| 15:21.10 | ShadowJK | portrait* |
| 15:21.19 | RST38h | other transitions are less fluid though |
| 15:21.34 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Hey, my E70 takes 40 seconds just to show contents of a folder in the app menu |
| 15:21.42 | summatusmentis | is the N97 the big Nokia announcement? |
| 15:21.58 | ShadowJK | RST38h, I recommend running chkdsk/fsck on the memory card :) |
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| 15:22.29 | Meiz_n810 | My 5500 is soo slow... |
| 15:22.45 | ShadowJK | welcome to symbian! |
| 15:22.46 | ShadowJK | runs |
| 15:22.53 | aquatix | johnx: it misses transitions in that video |
| 15:22.59 | aquatix | still looks quite ok to me |
| 15:23.11 | RST38h | ShadowJK: You mean, Windows version of checkdisk? |
| 15:23.16 | Jaffa | summatusmentis: yeah |
| 15:23.38 | aquatix | johnx: maybe the transitions wheren't enabled in that movie (stupid...) or wheren't done yet |
| 15:23.47 | aquatix | there's a reason we have to wait another 6 months ;) |
| 15:23.48 | ShadowJK | RST38h, yeah it's better than the Linux fsck.msdos |
| 15:23.52 | summatusmentis | what's it running? Symbian? |
| 15:24.00 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 15:24.17 | aquatix | summatusmentis: series 60 v5 |
| 15:24.23 | summatusmentis | hmm |
| 15:24.38 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Thanks, I will try |
| 15:24.48 | summatusmentis | thanks |
| 15:25.17 | ShadowJK | RST38h, what I ended up doing was saving pictures/videos/audio and then formatting the card |
| 15:25.39 | ShadowJK | lost the Maps cache and programs I had installed to the card, but it was much faster afterwards |
| 15:25.52 | aquatix | :) |
| 15:26.08 | ShadowJK | I had been reading/writing to the card with a card reader connected to PC. Unfortunately it turned out that the reader didn't quite cope with >1G cards, and was silently corrupting the card... |
| 15:26.10 | RST38h | But what happened after you installed those programs again? |
| 15:26.31 | aquatix | ShadowJK: ah, that sounds nasty indeed |
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| 15:27.28 | ShadowJK | RST38h, I had one minute delays in opening the gallery and such, those went away even after programs had been reinstalled |
| 15:27.46 | RST38h | hmmm |
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| 15:46.27 | lardman | any canola users here? |
| 15:46.36 | johnx | <- big canola user |
| 15:46.39 | johnx | almost every day |
| 15:46.50 | lardman | it doesn't seem to find my music, where should I search? Do they have a bugtracker? |
| 15:46.54 | t_s_o | canola? *gag* |
| 15:47.06 | lardman | it also takes a year to "update" from a single directory |
| 15:47.17 | GAN800 | lardman, did you add your folders? |
| 15:47.22 | lardman | update the music list that is |
| 15:47.27 | lardman | GAN800: yeah, just the one |
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| 15:48.04 | GAN800 | The bug tracker is bugs.maemo.org Mr. Council-member-that-pays-attention. . . . |
| 15:48.07 | lardman | hmm, apparently it didn't remember, no tick mark by it anymore |
| 15:48.19 | GAN800 | Or just harass etrunko in #canola |
| 15:48.21 | lardman | GAN800: there's a bug tracker?! |
| 15:48.25 | lardman | a maemo one?! |
| 15:48.28 | lardman | ;) |
| 15:48.32 | Meiz_n810 | I installed latest canola from extras (not extras-devel) to a fresh flash and there is no video icon :( |
| 15:48.52 | GAN800 | slaps lardman with a stack of current events. |
| 15:49.01 | MoRpHeUz | Meiz_n810: run "canola -vvv" and put the log here... |
| 15:49.11 | lardman | ducks his head further into the sand |
| 15:49.45 | Meiz_n810 | no problem anymore, i flashed and installed again |
| 15:50.13 | lardman | still doesn't work! |
| 15:50.17 | lardman | rubbish, |
| 15:51.15 | johnx | not detecting any of your music? |
| 15:51.21 | lardman | yep |
| 15:51.33 | johnx | but it is taking time after you hit refresh? |
| 15:51.34 | lardman | well I think the issue is more that it forgets where I've put it |
| 15:51.45 | lardman | yeah, takes a couple of minutes after I select a directory |
| 15:51.51 | lardman | saying "updating" or similar |
| 15:52.03 | qwerty12 | lardman, I think your issue is that you deleted the lethal bizzle son |
| 15:52.07 | qwerty12 | +g |
| 15:52.13 | lardman | qwerty12: lol |
| 15:52.25 | lardman | qwerty12: how do you know I didn't hang on to it....? ;) |
| 15:52.41 | qwerty12 | I just figure that the song is not to your taste ;P |
| 15:53.08 | lardman | qwerty12: yeah, sounds worse since I fixed mono playback via a2dp ;) |
| 15:53.22 | qwerty12 | lardman, lol |
| 15:53.43 | lardman | hmm, "updating media library..." really takes a long time, I wonder what it's doing... |
| 15:53.56 | aquatix | laughing at you |
| 15:54.16 | lardman | aquatix: well I'm laughing back as I fire up "apt-get remove" ;) |
| 15:54.20 | aquatix | :) |
| 15:54.27 | aquatix | that's the canola library? |
| 15:54.27 | GAN800 | lardman, canola -vvv ? :P |
| 15:54.28 | qwerty12 | lardman, don't forget the --purge! |
| 15:54.44 | GAN800 | I'm assuming you're not using b10? |
| 15:54.45 | t_s_o | lardman: could it be a slow SD card? |
| 15:55.00 | GAN800 | Canola cleanup then reinstall may also be productive. |
| 15:55.03 | aquatix | canola was quite slow here with indexing |
| 15:55.26 | GAN800 | Tracker should help |
| 15:55.43 | t_s_o | who needs indexing anyways? just toss it all into a playlist and hit random ;) |
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| 15:56.09 | lardman | lots of errors in the output, and yet it fails silently in the gui |
| 15:56.36 | qwerty12 | worships mpd because it doesn't use the dsp :P |
| 15:57.03 | aquatix | uses mpd on his laptop |
| 15:57.34 | aquatix | i didn't quite like it on my handheld |
| 15:58.11 | lardman | hmm, some error about a table not existing |
| 15:58.21 | aquatix | lardman: hm |
| 15:58.30 | aquatix | maybe purge the data files and let it recreate its db |
| 15:58.40 | lardman | how does one do that? |
| 15:59.35 | lardman | cd / && rm -rf |
| 15:59.42 | lardman | :) |
| 16:00.13 | qwerty12 | Where's your *?!? |
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| 16:00.31 | lardman | qwerty12: I wanted to avoid someone accidentally destroying their world |
| 16:00.44 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:01.10 | aquatix | oh noes |
| 16:01.18 | aquatix | i had mounted my nfs shares there too |
| 16:01.27 | qwerty12 | cd C:\ , C: , rm -rf . Command not found |
| 16:01.31 | aquatix | and my backup hdd and ... |
| 16:01.37 | aquatix | *carrier lost* |
| 16:02.17 | qwerty12 | has never figured out why windows's command prompt requires you to type <drive letter>: to go to the root of a new drive instead of being able to cd there |
| 16:02.34 | aquatix | backwardness |
| 16:02.34 | RST38h | because there are multiple root |
| 16:02.35 | lardman | well you can cd before you get there can't you |
| 16:02.39 | lopz | hola |
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| 16:02.58 | aquatix | RST38h: well, something like "cd c:" should work imho |
| 16:03.05 | RST38h | and when you do cd X:\ this moves cwd for THAT drive to its root |
| 16:03.17 | RST38h | aquatix: nope |
| 16:03.35 | Meiz_n810 | Hastys universe packages.gz 3.2mb , Jauntys universe packages.gz 4.1mb... |
| 16:03.35 | aquatix | RST38h: read `imho' |
| 16:03.51 | aquatix | eh |
| 16:04.12 | aquatix | RST38h: it has cwd's for each drive? |
| 16:04.14 | aquatix | ah yes |
| 16:04.17 | aquatix | hm |
| 16:04.27 | aquatix | still weird syntax though |
| 16:05.41 | lardman | installs Kagu instead and sees all the Map app .ogg files being parsed... :( |
| 16:06.38 | RST38h | aquatix: i.e. the problem you are reporting is syntactically correct |
| 16:06.58 | RST38h | lardman: Maps uses .ogg? =) |
| 16:07.07 | lardman | yep |
| 16:07.09 | aquatix | RST38h: yeah :) |
| 16:07.21 | RST38h | lardman: holy shit |
| 16:07.27 | aquatix | thankfully diablo has an `ignore the map oggs in media player' |
| 16:07.40 | qwerty12 | yeah, if you use ogg-support, it installs a control panel applet that lets the built in media player ignore the map oggs |
| 16:07.49 | lardman | 'and all other oggs too' ? |
| 16:07.54 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 16:07.56 | aquatix | lardman: no, only the map ones |
| 16:08.06 | aquatix | ah yes, that option was from ogg-support itself indeed |
| 16:08.10 | RST38h | likes the "iignore all oggs option" |
| 16:08.14 | qwerty12 | lardman, would defeat the purpose of ogg-support :P |
| 16:08.27 | lardman | aquatix: default tablet state ;) |
| 16:08.36 | lardman | qwerty12: I know |
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| 16:09.26 | lardman | aaarrrgggghhhh! |
| 16:09.32 | lardman | what is it with me and music apps |
| 16:09.33 | lardman | ? |
| 16:10.03 | qwerty12 | A dsp hacker can't get music apps to work for him. :P |
| 16:10.09 | lardman | kagu crashed with an error too, couldn't open ~/.kagu/album)cashe.tga |
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| 16:10.31 | lardman | qwerty12: I need to resort to the command line, I just thought a nice fluffy player would be nice, but i was wrong! |
| 16:11.01 | qwerty12 | mplayer /music/directory/* -loop 99999999999999 |
| 16:11.07 | aquatix | lardman: :) |
| 16:11.30 | aquatix | cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp |
| 16:11.36 | aquatix | white noise++ |
| 16:11.37 | aquatix | ;) |
| 16:11.43 | qwerty12 | What /dev/dsp :P |
| 16:11.55 | RST38h | lardman: you are too smart and they feel it |
| 16:12.03 | qwerty12 | on the tablets it's something like /dev/dsptask/pcm3 iirc |
| 16:12.13 | aquatix | ah |
| 16:12.13 | Zakk_maemo | where are the menu .desktop kept? |
| 16:12.23 | qwerty12 | /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 16:12.24 | lardman | I think I'll give up and go back to using the built-in media player :( |
| 16:12.35 | aquatix | lardman: i did that too |
| 16:12.40 | aquatix | i even think it's quite ok |
| 16:12.53 | aquatix | wfm so to say :) |
| 16:12.56 | lardman | aquatix: yeah, not very pretty though |
| 16:13.11 | aquatix | lardman: well, i don't see it when it's playing ;) |
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| 16:13.36 | aquatix | generally located somewhere in my dashboard or in a pocket of my jacket |
| 16:13.55 | lardman | ah, finally, music :) |
| 16:14.52 | lardman | oh well, I'll just remember to not try to fool myself and use user-ready apps :) |
| 16:15.11 | aquatix | :) |
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| 16:16.25 | lardman | apologises for ranting, it's been a long week |
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| 16:20.09 | aquatix | lardman: it's ok |
| 16:20.18 | aquatix | that's where /ignore is for |
| 16:20.20 | aquatix | runs |
| 16:20.38 | lardman | :p :D |
| 16:20.42 | qwerty12 | tries /ignore aquatix :P |
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| 16:21.25 | qwerty12 | Seems to be working... |
| 16:21.31 | aquatix | \o/ |
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| 16:22.56 | aquatix | pokes qwerty12 |
| 16:23.43 | qwerty12 | looks to the side, sees noone there, continues on with his business |
| 16:28.01 | lardman | curses phase unwrapping |
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| 16:35.02 | lardman | cu later chaps |
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| 16:35.10 | qwerty12 | bye lardman |
| 16:35.36 | z4chh | hi |
| 16:35.45 | qwerty12 | hi |
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| 16:45.00 | etrunko | gone |
| 16:45.01 | etrunko | :S |
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| 17:22.44 | Proteous | here's a tip, if you are going to set up svn on a windows box and are going to use ssh to connect/authenticate just use cygwin and save yourself hours of frustration |
| 17:23.36 | inz | Proteous, s/ just use cygwin/, don't/ |
| 17:23.56 | dougt_ | Proteous: why don't that work? |
| 17:27.26 | oli | hey, how to I forward wlan0 to usb0 ? :) |
| 17:28.09 | oli | i am connected to a wifi network and i want to route the traffic to my pc over Usb |
| 17:28.34 | oli | (using vnc isn't comfortable) |
| 17:30.18 | Stskeeps | get bridge utils? :P |
| 17:31.00 | johnx | well, you could setup a static route, a bridge or NAT |
| 17:31.07 | johnx | it all depends on the situation |
| 17:31.28 | disco_stu | Hi |
| 17:31.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: looking into h-d now |
| 17:31.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: some of those transparency scrshots are mean cool |
| 17:32.03 | johnx | Stskeeps, ah, thanks |
| 17:32.09 | johnx | about to put up omapfb |
| 17:32.13 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 17:32.20 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, :). It's fun messing around :D |
| 17:33.28 | qwerty12 | Nice part is that I didn't have to recompile xserver-xomap because compositing is set by default if not disabled explicitly via configure. And guess what, nokia never specified to disable it. |
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| 17:33.51 | disco_stu | hey i need help, i moved to Diablo and now i cant remove stock games and so.. because dependencies, anyone with a trick ? |
| 17:34.37 | Stskeeps | ok, i might be an ass right now, but why don't people just call SetBackground on org.maemo.hildon.background_manager on dbus to make a wallpaper changer? |
| 17:34.58 | Proteous | I wants an n97 with maemo or android |
| 17:35.05 | Proteous | nokia can keep s60 |
| 17:35.06 | johnx | Stskeeps, that works? |
| 17:35.12 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Does that work? I was running dbus-monitor and I never saw paths being passed... |
| 17:35.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: it's in te .xml for the interface |
| 17:35.23 | Stskeeps | i'll see if it is actually implemented |
| 17:35.31 | oli | johnx: i've tried to use iptables (nat) but when i use the same rule when sharing net from pc to nokia - it doesn't work |
| 17:37.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: looks implemented to me |
| 17:37.49 | johnx | oli, it doesn't forward packets or the iptables command fails? |
| 17:37.55 | Stskeeps | gets out tablet |
| 17:38.13 | johnx | well, that's especially odd given that Nokia said it couldn't be done, IIRC |
| 17:38.15 | Stskeeps | since my pizza place has decided to first serve me in 1h30 m |
| 17:38.15 | Stskeeps | bastards |
| 17:38.31 | johnx | sadness :/ |
| 17:38.35 | johnx | mmm...pizza |
| 17:38.49 | qwerty12 | hehe, dominoes here delivered one here in 30 mins the other day :P |
| 17:38.59 | oli | johnx: command fails, will paste result in a moment... |
| 17:39.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i've had 20 min ones too |
| 17:39.47 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, does your pizza place do the thing that you get the pizza free if they are more than 30 mins late? |
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| 17:40.31 | Stskeeps | no sadly |
| 17:40.46 | Stskeeps | it's never really happened except once |
| 17:40.54 | Stskeeps | was a burger place instead and a huge order |
| 17:41.02 | Stskeeps | and far away |
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| 17:41.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: odd idea. can't dsp be used for composite? |
| 17:41.48 | Stskeeps | as far as i recall it's fairly easy stuff |
| 17:42.08 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, No idea, I don't know anything about the composition itself nor about the DSP. |
| 17:42.11 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:42.24 | Stskeeps | i had a tangent once with graphics systems .. :P |
| 17:42.43 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 17:43.23 | lardman | what are we compositing? |
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| 17:44.20 | johnx | lardman, pizza as far as I can tell |
| 17:44.42 | qwerty12 | lardman, look at the last page here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=246293 |
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| 17:45.51 | oli | johnx: iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 17:46.32 | johnx | well, the answer is that you need to download some modules and then insmod them |
| 17:47.00 | qwerty12 | afaik, there's the iptables more modules in extras[-devel] |
| 17:47.54 | oli | any links/details? I'm tablet newbie ;] |
| 17:48.12 | johnx | ~extras |
| 17:48.13 | infobot | well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 17:48.28 | johnx | there's a start :) |
| 17:49.15 | johnx | and a general tip about searching for googling about the tablets: try including "maemo" in your search instead of a specific tablet |
| 17:49.50 | oli | will read :) |
| 17:50.19 | oli | btw, why can't I have 2 ssh connections to nokia? |
| 17:50.34 | johnx | you can |
| 17:50.35 | lardman | sorry, I had to composite my reading here and unpacking the shopping |
| 17:51.05 | qwerty12 | has nautilus (via gnome-vfs) connected to an sftp session on the tablet & an ssh session in a terminal to the tablet at the same time |
| 17:51.06 | lardman | I see |
| 17:51.25 | Jaffa | oli: you might have reach the max number of pttys |
| 17:51.56 | oli | sorry, I can :) |
| 17:52.10 | oli | but why does connecting second session takes so loong ;p |
| 17:52.31 | johnx | <- empowering words, 50% off, today only |
| 17:52.54 | johnx | maybe your router or maybe it's connected to the tablet going into wifi power saving mode |
| 17:53.36 | oli | johnx: Internet <aDSL> router <wifi> n800 <usb> PC ;) |
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| 17:54.36 | johnx | usb networking can be a little flakey it seems |
| 17:55.09 | oli | when I am not ssh-connected it connects immediately |
| 17:55.19 | oli | anyway, this is not a point :) |
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| 17:57.12 | z4chh | are there grandcentral invites still? |
| 18:00.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: k, isn't an api for that |
| 18:00.42 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, to change background? |
| 18:00.46 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 18:01.47 | Stskeeps | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg13791.html |
| 18:02.31 | lcuk | throws a snowball @ qwerty |
| 18:03.01 | qwerty12 | lcuk, hey, hey, you got snow up north?! |
| 18:03.12 | lcuk | yeah, lots of it |
| 18:03.16 | qwerty12 | aww :( |
| 18:03.26 | qwerty12 | orders train tickets |
| 18:03.49 | qwerty12 | We do have lots of rain down here though :) |
| 18:03.49 | lardman | would like some snow too! |
| 18:03.54 | oli | johnx: extras enabled |
| 18:03.56 | lardman | cold rain :( |
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| 18:04.45 | lardman | likes having 3 monitors :) |
| 18:05.01 | Stskeeps | misses having three monitors |
| 18:05.22 | qwerty12 | breaks into where lardman is and takes a monitor as a souvenir :) |
| 18:05.23 | oli | 20"LCD, 15"CRT , 17" CRT? :D |
| 18:05.40 | Stskeeps | had 3x17" crt |
| 18:05.42 | lardman | 22", 20" and 19" all LCD |
| 18:05.45 | Stskeeps | that was space well used. |
| 18:05.51 | johnx | CRTs are pain |
| 18:05.58 | johnx | well, all the ones I owned |
| 18:06.28 | lardman | yeah, I chopped a CRT for the 22" lcd to save some desk space |
| 18:06.59 | lardman | wonders whether he could find wall brackets and go for a second tier.... :) |
| 18:07.21 | derf | Giant projectors, man. Fill the whole wall. |
| 18:07.35 | lardman | lol |
| 18:08.37 | oli | i guess the iptables-ext can help me, am I right? |
| 18:08.54 | derf | http://www.cs.unc.edu/Research/stc/ |
| 18:10.02 | lardman | looks interesting, just need the desk to be a screen too :) |
| 18:10.22 | lardman | not that I can see anything of the top of my desk though |
| 18:10.35 | derf | I was thinking in particular of http://www.cs.unc.edu/Research/stc/Projects/wav.html |
| 18:11.00 | konttori_ | will fix ogg support bugs in ukmp.... There .. ogg_support=False. |
| 18:11.17 | konttori_ | that was nice and easy. |
| 18:11.39 | qwerty12 | imagines konttori_ as a bugmaster. And I do not see konttori_ as a successful bugmaster. |
| 18:11.42 | lardman | konttori_: I had issues with kagu earlier |
| 18:11.51 | derf | uninstalls ukmp. |
| 18:11.57 | konttori_ | ;) |
| 18:11.58 | lcuk | 4inch 4inch 4inch 24inch |
| 18:12.21 | lcuk | has lag |
| 18:12.23 | lardman | derf: ah, fs stuff :) |
| 18:12.24 | konttori_ | I so am going to add ogg support when the packages are nicely installable in the maemo extras and playbin support is reliable |
| 18:12.53 | derf | What's unreliable about playbin? |
| 18:13.03 | lcuk | hiya konttori_, how deep is the snow today? (we had 10cm - first all year) |
| 18:13.12 | lardman | does anyone have history of my earlier rant, around 4.30pm utc? What was that file I was missing? ~/.kagu/ something? |
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| 18:13.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: i get binary on .launch as well |
| 18:13.35 | Stskeeps | will investigate |
| 18:13.44 | lcuk | ~/.kagu/album)cashe.tga |
| 18:13.49 | qwerty12 | <lardman> kagu crashed with an error too, couldn't open ~/.kagu/album)cashe.tga |
| 18:13.56 | qwerty12 | lcuk beat me :) |
| 18:13.59 | lardman | hmm, I didn't even notice the typo earlier |
| 18:14.03 | lardman | thanks |
| 18:14.14 | lcuk | i didnt even see the convo before |
| 18:14.14 | lardman | ~/.kagu/album_cache.tga I guess it was |
| 18:14.30 | lcuk | irc should have a filter field at the top to allow quick reduction like that |
| 18:14.41 | lardman | konttori_: kagu crashed on startup with an error about missing the above file |
| 18:14.41 | johnx | Stskeeps, not to engage in too much schadenfreude in it failing for you, but it makes me feel better that I wasn't just doing something dumb |
| 18:14.59 | lcuk | mashes potatoes |
| 18:15.01 | lcuk | bbl |
| 18:15.13 | lardman | better than peeling them hey? ;) |
| 18:15.25 | qwerty12 | lardman, konttori_ doesn't make kagu... If disq is around, you wish to ask him |
| 18:15.33 | johnx | eats his potatoes with the peels on :) |
| 18:15.34 | lardman | oh, I thought he did |
| 18:15.41 | lardman | must have got my wires crossed, sorry |
| 18:15.43 | johnx | s/peels/skin/ |
| 18:15.44 | johnx | dur |
| 18:15.48 | konttori_ | lcuk: no snow anymore. all gone for now. |
| 18:16.42 | Stskeeps | johnx: hehe :> |
| 18:16.49 | konttori_ | and yeah, I'm not working on kagu. |
| 18:17.21 | lardman | yeah sorry, it was developed from ukmp though wasn't it originally? I must have been thinking along those lines |
| 18:17.31 | Stskeeps | wtf. |
| 18:17.35 | lardman | or perhaps just going mad |
| 18:17.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://rafb.net/p/Dqg1c313.html |
| 18:18.02 | Stskeeps | well that -clearly- says it's -shared |
| 18:18.56 | johnx | I was thinking it might be connected to that trick where libtool keeps the real binary in .libs and replaces it with a bash script to make testing easier |
| 18:19.06 | johnx | but, yes, I was highly confused |
| 18:19.52 | Stskeeps | i'm willing to bet it's an issue with the order of parameters or something equally scary |
| 18:20.07 | disq | lardman: hmmm. |
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| 18:21.38 | johnx | ah, good thinking. didn't occur to me at all |
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| 18:26.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: compile might take a while since trac is still crapping out |
| 18:27.02 | Stskeeps | it might actually succeed, too |
| 18:27.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 18:33.04 | lardman | disq: any ideas? |
| 18:33.09 | johnx | Stskeeps, alright, off to bed. I wish you luck with hildon-desktop |
| 18:33.56 | lardman | disq: was a fresh install, it did the search and then I started kagu up and it fails on that cover cache file |
| 18:35.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: hang on a sec if you're still und |
| 18:35.57 | Stskeeps | around |
| 18:36.07 | johnx | yeah |
| 18:37.02 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/wierd.txt |
| 18:37.10 | Stskeeps | it simply doesn't pass shared in next |
| 18:37.54 | Stskeeps | (ignroe the extra /'s on the side) |
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| 18:39.13 | johnx | hmm |
| 18:39.42 | johnx | so wait, that top section is the contents of 'foobar'? |
| 18:39.49 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:39.56 | Stskeeps | tries with older automake |
| 18:40.25 | Stskeeps | er |
| 18:40.27 | Stskeeps | newer |
| 18:41.01 | disq | lardman: i'll bbl and read the chatlog later, but have you tried rm -r ~/.kagu/ and then doing it all over again? |
| 18:41.02 | Stskeeps | think that might solve it |
| 18:41.31 | johnx | seriously? a new automake? |
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| 18:41.50 | Stskeeps | h-d uses automake 1.7 |
| 18:42.01 | Stskeeps | trying with 1.10 |
| 18:42.12 | johnx | this does work in scratchbox though |
| 18:42.30 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 18:42.36 | Stskeeps | well sb is sb.. |
| 18:42.40 | johnx | heh |
| 18:42.50 | Stskeeps | will have our answer in a sec or two |
| 18:43.30 | Stskeeps | nop, didn't help :P |
| 18:43.35 | Stskeeps | *sigh* :P |
| 18:43.51 | Stskeeps | well we have something to hunt now, libtool cting up |
| 18:46.34 | Stskeeps | heh, "I don't see anything in Android which would make it better than Linux maemo," Lappalainen said. |
| 18:46.40 | Stskeeps | neato :P |
| 18:47.19 | BULLE | Stskeeps: other then the fact that android is shipping in mobile phones now, maemo isnt, its only in the internet tablets so far |
| 18:47.50 | Stskeeps | BULLE: for nokia it's probably trivial to add a driver for their cellphone chips.. |
| 18:48.03 | Stskeeps | a bit of wiring, AT commands, .. and you're there |
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| 18:49.45 | BULLE | Stskeeps: and add the missing apps, like phonebook, and so on, but yeah |
| 18:50.52 | Stskeeps | "Contacts" |
| 18:50.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 18:51.52 | johnx | yeah, it just eats -shared |
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| 18:53.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: fact: diablo sdk in sb uses libtool 1.5 |
| 18:53.08 | Stskeeps | we use 2.2 |
| 18:53.28 | woglinde | hi |
| 18:53.37 | johnx | yeah, I was worrying about that earlier |
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| 18:54.52 | woglinde | Stskeeps debian unstable is still at libool 1.5 too |
| 18:55.36 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 18:55.39 | woglinde | just for notice |
| 18:55.52 | Stskeeps | johx.. trying to add -module now |
| 18:55.53 | woglinde | in oe we are at 2.4 while 2.7a is out |
| 18:57.09 | johnx | has a thought :) |
| 18:57.41 | woglinde | and libtool 2.x breaks at more shitty autotools abuse |
| 18:59.31 | johnx | meh...nm |
| 19:03.09 | Stskeeps | waits for pizza |
| 19:03.37 | johnx | it drops -shared and -export-dynamic, but not -fPIC or -rdynamic |
| 19:04.29 | woglinde | johny which package? |
| 19:04.37 | johnx | hildon-desktop |
| 19:05.10 | johnx | from Stskeeps earlier: http://rafb.net/p/Dqg1c313.html |
| 19:05.37 | johnx | the top part being the contents of "foobar" and the bottom, what happens when you run it |
| 19:07.09 | Stskeeps | libtool experts are welcome to help :P |
| 19:08.06 | woglinde | hehe |
| 19:08.07 | woglinde | mom |
| 19:09.06 | woglinde | whats the exact problem? |
| 19:09.25 | Stskeeps | hildon-desktop is built as a executable instead of a shared library. |
| 19:09.30 | Stskeeps | to put it simply |
| 19:09.48 | Stskeeps | even though libtool gets explicitly asked to build it shared |
| 19:10.00 | johnx | long version: We want to build hildon-desktop with maemo-launcher support. That works by having hildon-desktop compiled as a shared object that maemo-invoker loads |
| 19:11.17 | woglinde | Stskeeps hm are |
| 19:11.26 | woglinde | show me the Makefile.am |
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| 19:13.34 | johnx | sec |
| 19:14.06 | johnx | the top level one or the one for that directory? |
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| 19:15.55 | Stskeeps | pizza came \o/ |
| 19:16.24 | woglinde | okay |
| 19:16.32 | Stskeeps | woglinde: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-desktop/files |
| 19:16.51 | Stskeeps | file in question is built in sc/ |
| 19:16.53 | Stskeeps | src/ |
| 19:17.13 | johnx | anyways, I'll leave this in both of your capable hands. I'm off to bed for real |
| 19:17.18 | Stskeeps | nini |
| 19:17.49 | lcuk | johnx, you say that all the time, i think you are actually a short shell script |
| 19:18.21 | woglinde | now I am watching arte |
| 19:18.55 | lcuk | hiya woglinde |
| 19:19.04 | johnx | /bin/sh while true ; do echo off to bed && sleep 3h ; done |
| 19:19.30 | zs | 3h? can't be |
| 19:19.38 | lcuk | you forgot the branch which says "to sleep for real" |
| 19:20.58 | johnx | would add it but he's really asleep |
| 19:21.03 | lcuk | :P |
| 19:21.10 | lcuk | gnite john |
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| 19:23.10 | woglinde | Stskeeps ah its easy to fix |
| 19:23.15 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 19:23.47 | woglinde | its the same as compiling one or more objects with different LD_FLAGS |
| 19:24.26 | Stskeeps | so because they have different flags, it bombs out and refuses to add -shared or what? :P |
| 19:24.33 | woglinde | no no |
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| 19:27.10 | woglinde | stskeep change hildon_desktop_SOURCES to hildon_desktop_la_SOURCES |
| 19:28.34 | woglinde | then you can add to maemo-invoker_la_LIBADD hildon_desktop.la |
| 19:28.46 | woglinde | this should work |
| 19:31.05 | Stskeeps | checking.. |
| 19:31.38 | lcuk | Stskeeps, just let woglinde send you a patch :D |
| 19:31.51 | woglinde | no |
| 19:31.54 | lcuk | pmsl |
| 19:31.56 | woglinde | thats to trivial |
| 19:32.01 | lcuk | has that put you off helping woglinde |
| 19:32.17 | lcuk | or do u laff everytime |
| 19:32.18 | Stskeeps | woglinde: well, since there's no maemo-invoker in source.. :P |
| 19:32.30 | Stskeeps | in the .am, that is |
| 19:32.37 | woglinde | Stskeeps haha what is johnx then talking about? |
| 19:33.14 | Stskeeps | woglinde: that the reason why this thing -ought- to be a shared object and not an executable, is for the purpose of maemo-invoker/launcher |
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| 19:33.55 | Stskeeps | our problem is really, - libtool links hildon-desktop as a executable, not a shared object |
| 19:33.57 | Stskeeps | even if it gets asked to |
| 19:34.15 | woglinde | Stskeeps yeah because now it is build als binary |
| 19:34.20 | woglinde | as |
| 19:34.30 | Stskeeps | which it shouldn't be.. |
| 19:34.33 | woglinde | with the _la_ it is build as .o |
| 19:34.34 | Stskeeps | i mean, we give -shared along to it |
| 19:34.35 | woglinde | in the end |
| 19:34.51 | Stskeeps | ok, so based on src/Makefile.am, how'd you do it then? |
| 19:35.10 | woglinde | where are you building maemo-inovker? |
| 19:36.31 | Stskeeps | ok, maemo-launcher/invoker is a system that loads shared objects, so that's out of the picture right now. problem is : under libtool 1.5, hildon-desktop builds the file 'hildon-desktop' as it should, as a .so, under 2.2, it builds it as an executable |
| 19:36.39 | Stskeeps | even though it has a -shared -fPIC and all that stuff |
| 19:37.13 | Stskeeps | example: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/wierd.txt |
| 19:37.17 | Stskeeps | it leaves out -shared |
| 19:37.51 | Stskeeps | ignore the /'s that prefixes |
| 19:38.22 | woglinde | hm again the _la_ builds a .so |
| 19:38.23 | Stskeeps | libtool removes the -shared statement, causing it to build an executable |
| 19:38.25 | Stskeeps | ok |
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| 19:41.02 | woglinde | stskeep are |
| 19:41.56 | woglinde | and lib_LTLIBRARIES = hildon_desktop.la |
| 19:41.56 | woglinde | sorry |
| 19:41.57 | woglinde | forgot that |
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| 19:42.28 | Stskeeps | ok, looking at it |
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| 19:49.27 | Stskeeps | ~seen GAN800 |
| 19:49.28 | infobot | gan800 <n=ryan@2416422hfc34.tampabay.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 54m 2s ago, saying: 'Tracker should help'. |
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| 20:03.46 | Stskeeps | "libtool: link: libtool library `hildon-desktop.la' must begin with `lib' |
| 20:03.47 | Stskeeps | " |
| 20:03.50 | Stskeeps | oh for crying out loud |
| 20:04.30 | lcuk | :( |
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| 20:05.49 | Stskeeps | this is going to get ugly |
| 20:06.17 | lcuk | i dunno what you are even trying to do |
| 20:06.30 | Stskeeps | i'm tryin gto make maemo launcher work with a newer libtool |
| 20:06.39 | Stskeeps | and something tells me this isn't going to be the first time we do this |
| 20:06.56 | lcuk | last time * |
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| 20:07.06 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, how do i get an mer sdk? |
| 20:07.20 | lcuk | i gather these restrictions and limitations are new to the version |
| 20:07.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i386 fine? |
| 20:07.34 | Stskeeps | i don't have an armel one just yet |
| 20:07.37 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, sure |
| 20:07.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Mer_Developer_Tools |
| 20:08.32 | Stskeeps | we test on i386 chroot first, cos if it doesn't work on i386, it probably doesn't on armel either |
| 20:08.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, cool, i'll try and set one up in a vm tomorrow |
| 20:08.53 | Stskeeps | k |
| 20:09.07 | lcuk | sts, wipe all your pron and backup your current devenv |
| 20:09.13 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 20:09.13 | lcuk | as a vmimage |
| 20:09.53 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, it's not using sbox so i'll install one into my real ubuntu install |
| 20:10.01 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's a chroot |
| 20:10.25 | Stskeeps | armel we use qemu's in similar fashion |
| 20:11.38 | Stskeeps | .. for now, would very much like sb2 to start working |
| 20:12.52 | Stskeeps | repo url is subject to change this week sometime possibly |
| 20:13.20 | qwerty12_N800 | eww, i would set a vm then for sb2 |
| 20:13.25 | qwerty12_N800 | *set up |
| 20:13.29 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:13.47 | qwerty12_N800 | finds sb2 not as n00b friendly :) |
| 20:14.00 | Stskeeps | well if you can get our rootstrap going under sb1.. :P |
| 20:14.10 | Stskeeps | sb2 is the way ahead though |
| 20:14.36 | RST38h | moo all |
| 20:15.04 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 20:15.18 | qwerty12_N800 | all I have to do with sb1 is put vdso=0 in menu.lst and some lines in sysctl.conf. I hear sb2 isn't playing nice with ubuntu atm |
| 20:15.24 | qwerty12_N800 | hey RST38h |
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| 20:28.03 | woglinde | stskeep hm |
| 20:28.36 | Stskeeps | woglinde: may have gotten it now.. we'll see |
| 20:28.48 | Stskeeps | sat down and read libtool manual |
| 20:30.03 | qwerty12_N800 | reads on how to add a string to an about screen without making the program segfault >.< |
| 20:30.30 | woglinde | Stskeeps hm its not the automake doc too |
| 20:30.50 | Stskeeps | it had a reference to some automake stuff |
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| 20:31.48 | woglinde | Stskeeps hm but where is the problem to name it lib |
| 20:31.55 | Stskeeps | woglinde: i forgot -module |
| 20:32.05 | woglinde | hm? |
| 20:32.08 | woglinde | hm hm |
| 20:32.18 | Stskeeps | (it is a .so, not a libX.so :P) |
| 20:32.22 | Stskeeps | as in, a module to be loaded |
| 20:32.28 | woglinde | okay |
| 20:32.31 | woglinde | right |
| 20:33.01 | woglinde | are yes |
| 20:33.14 | woglinde | and there are the automake lines for this |
| 20:34.14 | woglinde | mymodule_la_LDFLAGS = -module |
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| 20:35.33 | woglinde | are |
| 20:35.35 | woglinde | ah |
| 20:36.21 | woglinde | and maemo_invoker_LTLIBRARIES = hildo-desktop.la |
| 20:36.42 | woglinde | case closed |
| 20:36.44 | woglinde | I think |
| 20:36.46 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:36.50 | Stskeeps | we'll see :P |
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| 20:39.05 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you oculd do it like you used to with windows :P use a hex editor "haxx0red by qwerty" |
| 20:39.26 | lcuk | (or still do :P) |
| 20:41.29 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :P, since I stopped dabbling with phone patches, I haven't touched an hex editor since :( . but I did have some good times remotely executing "small cock alert" (changed from small penis alert) :P |
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| 20:51.58 | Stskeeps | great.. http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/report/1 (spam bots) |
| 20:52.18 | GeneralAntilles | You've arrived! :P |
| 20:53.02 | Stskeeps | wb home GA, i guess |
| 20:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | My computer's still waking up. . . . |
| 20:53.20 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: to be nitpicky, maemo.org -is- a nokia domain :> |
| 20:53.25 | Stskeeps | (according to whois) |
| 20:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | You know what I mean. . . . |
| 20:53.41 | Stskeeps | hehe, yeah :) |
| 20:53.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'm quite certain they'd transfer it in a heart beat if it were requested. |
| 20:53.58 | guardian | evening, i would love to learn clutter, i'm looking for maemo apps making stuning use of it, could you please recommend some ? |
| 20:54.18 | Stskeeps | guardian: .. we're waiting for GL and clutter in the community :) |
| 20:54.20 | GeneralAntilles | guardian, none yet. |
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| 20:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | guardian, MAYBE there'll be the first small starts with the Fremantle alpha SDK. |
| 20:54.47 | guardian | none because there is no acceleration on N800/N810 ? |
| 20:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | But for sure there'll be some with the beta SDK release in May. |
| 20:54.53 | lardman | I'm shattered, night all, cu tomorrow |
| 20:55.19 | guardian | GeneralAntilles: Fremantle is next sdk release, for N900 ? |
| 20:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | guardian, Fremantle is Maemo 5, which will run on whatever tablet Nokia releases next. |
| 20:55.48 | guardian | ok |
| 20:55.55 | guardian | sorry for the cluelessness |
| 20:55.58 | guardian | long time no maemo coding |
| 20:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | guardian, you may want to look at Ubuntu Mobile if you want a head start. |
| 20:56.38 | guardian | ah yeah, i still need to install that on a samsung Q1 |
| 20:56.52 | guardian | there is one lying around at work |
| 20:57.03 | guardian | it has vista, no one uses it :) |
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| 20:58.23 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, are we porting maemo to n97 |
| 20:58.33 | Stskeeps | get a bootloader and i'm on it |
| 20:58.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:58.44 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 20:58.45 | Stskeeps | .. well, .. linux kernel booting |
| 20:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, not anytime soon. |
| 20:59.01 | GeneralAntilles | Practically nobody's hacked open Nokia's phones. |
| 20:59.05 | lcuk | sts, i know you are joking, you would ask for a device to test |
| 20:59.21 | lcuk | is that because of lack of desirables? or simply price? |
| 20:59.47 | lcuk | the new one reminds me of n810 muchly |
| 20:59.50 | Stskeeps | lcuk: if someone has a kernel booting and ability to flash, - i'm in :P |
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| 21:02.08 | qwerty12_N800 | with some early models (n80 etc) people were able to flash hexedited firmware (*cough* lcuk) as an early method of opening up more permissions for apps |
| 21:02.39 | guardian | GeneralAntilles: is ubuntu mobile all gtk based like maemo ? |
| 21:02.41 | woglinde | stskeep hm there is another phone you can port maemo to |
| 21:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | guardian, yeah, and they're using Clutter right now. |
| 21:03.04 | GeneralAntilles | guardian, they're actually fairly close to Maemo in a lot of ways. |
| 21:03.31 | Stskeeps | woglinde: with 800x480? :P |
| 21:04.13 | woglinde | E-TEN glofiish M800 |
| 21:04.16 | woglinde | hm okay |
| 21:04.26 | lcuk | 800*480 is overrated :P |
| 21:04.34 | lcuk | but purty |
| 21:04.45 | Stskeeps | well, i dunno how hildon looks on 640x480 |
| 21:05.02 | lcuk | if its designed right it should look the same :P |
| 21:05.17 | Stskeeps | probably better if the fotn sizes werent huge.. |
| 21:05.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:05.33 | woglinde | only 640x480 |
| 21:05.47 | lcuk | woglinde, 640 should be enough for anyone |
| 21:05.50 | woglinde | http://www.glofiish.com/index3.htm?no=m800 |
| 21:06.06 | XTL | Hmm |
| 21:06.27 | guardian | GeneralAntilles: is ubuntu mobile what's on intel classmate pcs ? |
| 21:06.29 | XTL | Am I wasting my time trying to look up how to access the dsp chip on n810? |
| 21:06.37 | XTL | And whether there are any compilers |
| 21:06.46 | GeneralAntilles | guardian, dunno. They target MIDs and UMPCs, though. |
| 21:06.56 | guardian | ok |
| 21:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | guardian, Intel's got Moblin. |
| 21:07.07 | Stskeeps | XTL: people have done DSP programming before |
| 21:07.12 | lcuk | xtl, there is an open source dsp compiler toolchain available |
| 21:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, 800x480 is not overrated. |
| 21:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | You just do too much stuff that's less dependent on resolution. |
| 21:07.37 | woglinde | 800x480 is better for nx |
| 21:07.41 | woglinde | hm remindes |
| 21:07.43 | woglinde | me |
| 21:07.47 | woglinde | to put out the freerunner |
| 21:08.03 | XTL | hmm |
| 21:08.13 | Stskeeps | woglinde: .. looks interesting |
| 21:08.14 | lcuk | xtl, i dont use it, but lardman does lots of dsp dev |
| 21:08.37 | lcuk | if he were here he would tell you what was needed, but i also think hes setup a wiki page about it all |
| 21:08.51 | woglinde | stskeeps based on lafOrges work we have first support in oe |
| 21:08.57 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Programming_the_DSP |
| 21:09.24 | XTL | Argh.. funny that that didn't show up on searches :) |
| 21:09.28 | Stskeeps | woglinde: i'll keep that device in mind for Mer, yeah |
| 21:09.58 | woglinde | XTL wiki searches mostly dont find want you want |
| 21:10.03 | woglinde | even it is there |
| 21:10.11 | woglinde | its the same on the openmoko wiki |
| 21:10.18 | Stskeeps | woglinde: how expensive is an m800? |
| 21:11.22 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:11.25 | woglinde | oh 474 euros |
| 21:11.26 | XTL | The compiler sounds pretty gruesome. Mostly I'm interested on how to get the results on the chip, though. |
| 21:11.34 | XTL | Thanks |
| 21:11.47 | woglinde | oh |
| 21:11.53 | woglinde | oearl.de has it at 250 euros |
| 21:11.56 | woglinde | pearl |
| 21:11.57 | woglinde | great |
| 21:12.01 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 21:12.23 | lcuk | xtl, what do you mean results on the chip? |
| 21:12.32 | lcuk | oyu have to build and run code to get results |
| 21:12.38 | XTL | lcuk: I mean load the actual binary and run it on a real target |
| 21:12.41 | woglinde | stskeep mormal price the vendor suggest 649 |
| 21:12.43 | lcuk | sprinkles fairydust for xtl :D |
| 21:12.45 | woglinde | http://www.pearl.de/a-PX4129-4090.shtml |
| 21:12.53 | XTL | dsp chips/boards seem to be hard to come by and/or expensive |
| 21:12.56 | Stskeeps | woglinde: ah, armv4t though |
| 21:13.06 | lcuk | xtl, i have a dsp inside my n810 |
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| 21:13.12 | XTL | (expect dspic) |
| 21:13.17 | GeneralAntilles | XTL, Beagle's a good platform to play with if you're interested in getting read for the N900. |
| 21:13.19 | lcuk | and the code built with the free compiler works on it |
| 21:13.30 | lcuk | yes agreed gen :D |
| 21:13.32 | XTL | But since I have the n810, that might be one way to mess with dsps |
| 21:15.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, woglinde that glofish looks nifty |
| 21:15.10 | GAN800 | XTL, lardman's usually about, and he knows a thing or two about the DSP, so pick his brain if you run into him. |
| 21:15.16 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, but also armv4 it seems |
| 21:15.27 | lcuk | but the keyboard has a windows key for some reason |
| 21:15.29 | XTL | GAN800: I'll keep that in mind |
| 21:16.20 | woglinde | lcuk hehe you can paint it what you want |
| 21:16.32 | woglinde | lcuk normaly it runs windows mobile |
| 21:16.43 | lcuk | why would i paint over it - i want windows on my phone damnit \@/ |
| 21:17.05 | lcuk | not pathetic crap cutdown windows, i want the full windows fistula experience |
| 21:17.30 | lcuk | "someone wants to call you, cancel or allow" type things |
| 21:17.33 | woglinde | +lcuk you can switch it to linux |
| 21:19.39 | lcuk | speaking of which i need to change my desktop |
| 21:21.52 | XTL | Generic Host Process for winmo has encountered a problem and needs to close |
| 21:23.40 | thopiekar | good evening ;D |
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| 21:23.56 | thopiekar | to all the germans here in the channel... |
| 21:23.57 | thopiekar | guten abend alle zusammen... ich habe seit kurzem ein forum erstellt.. http://dcodercommunity.forumieren.com/... in dem es vorallem darum geht auf internettablets von nokia programme zu entwickeln.. auÃerdem soll hier das verständnis und interesse für neulinge geweckt werden ... dabei läuft auf diesen Geräten ein voller Linux Kernel + Debain.. auÃerdem soll hier das verständnis und interesse für neulinge geweckt werden ...ich weià |
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| 21:24.07 | thopiekar | schönen abend noch.. |
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| 21:24.26 | Stskeeps | did we just get hit-and-run germaned+ |
| 21:24.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:25.00 | Benny1967 | Stskeeps: warum fragst du? ;) |
| 21:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | Bizarrre |
| 21:25.41 | woglinde | hihi |
| 21:25.42 | qwerty12_N800 | So Debian is Debain in German... |
| 21:25.43 | woglinde | genau |
| 21:29.39 | Stskeeps | there's actually quite a bit of armv4t stuff on market |
| 21:30.30 | GAN800 | It still slow. :( |
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| 21:38.13 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: there's even people who are unhappy about dropping support for armv4 (without t..) |
| 21:52.22 | Stskeeps | wonders how much of hildon that breaks horridly under libtool2 when it comes to dealing with launcher |
| 21:52.41 | woglinde | Stskeeps ;( |
| 21:52.59 | Stskeeps | woglinde: i got it working now but it wasn't a pretty fix |
| 21:53.20 | woglinde | hm why? |
| 21:55.04 | Stskeeps | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-desktop/revision/1100?start_revid=1106&remember=1106&compare_revid=1106 |
| 21:56.49 | woglinde | stskeeps hm looks good |
| 21:57.58 | Stskeeps | i'd really prefer it to put it in bin first than put in some plugin folder.. |
| 22:00.52 | Stskeeps | hmm. |
| 22:01.49 | Stskeeps | actually, it may be okay that we have it be a binary |
| 22:02.10 | Stskeeps | it should just be -export-dynamic and -fPIC |
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| 22:02.26 | Stskeeps | according to the docs |
| 22:11.00 | l7 | instead of the n900? |
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| 22:11.36 | l7 | oops, that was from before |
| 22:12.35 | GAN800 | I wonder what Nokia's expectation was with Modest. |
| 22:12.59 | GAN800 | 'Maybe if we half-ass an open source client the patches will just start pouring in' |
| 22:13.32 | Stskeeps | or getting people to use claws.. |
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| 22:13.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:14.20 | GAN800 | Maybe that approach would've made sense if any of the Modest devs were actually visible. |
| 22:15.04 | suihkulokki | the main developer atleast was very noisy |
| 22:15.12 | hopefull | somebody any idea how to get wpa-suplicant working under os2008 ? |
| 22:15.39 | woglinde | hopefull install the new wlan-driver |
| 22:15.54 | woglinde | and hope its already enough for wpa_suplicant |
| 22:16.04 | Stskeeps | hopefull: there's a small bunch of patches for cx3110x |
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| 22:16.12 | GAN800 | suihkulokki, well, the Modest product on bugzilla basically went ignored |
| 22:16.36 | GAN800 | Maybe they were active somewhere, but it certainly wasn't here. |
| 22:17.49 | hopefull | wogline where can i get it ? |
| 22:17.56 | GAN800 | What's more bothersome is that it gets shipped with Diablo and all the devs instantly move on to other projects like they actually shipped something resembling a 1.0 or something. |
| 22:17.58 | Stskeeps | my god, what is with those ogg fanatics.. |
| 22:18.14 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, impressive, aren't they? |
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| 22:18.35 | hopefull | woglinde where can i get it? |
| 22:19.09 | derf | Some people have nothing useful to do with their time, I guess. |
| 22:19.24 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i still think the case of xvid gaining such a place in piracy was interesting from format point of view |
| 22:20.00 | Stskeeps | .. just thought of that they have a bit in common |
| 22:20.35 | Stskeeps | more adoption, less complaining, really |
| 22:20.41 | suihkulokki | I'd like to understand why rar is so popular with pirates |
| 22:21.19 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 22:21.20 | woglinde | hopefull http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 22:21.32 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: history, and the fact it has excellent spanning |
| 22:22.25 | Stskeeps | and the fact everything can be verified in bite size chunks and fxped over and all that stuff easily |
| 22:22.32 | Stskeeps | since connections aren't always so stable |
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| 22:23.42 | ShadowJK | rar enabled a user-driven manual bittorrent-like distribution :P |
| 22:25.40 | hopefull | woglinde looks like a tricky work...... |
| 22:26.04 | ShadowJK | I don't think it's coincidental that after people started using special purpose parity archives, the rar people integrated parity volumes into rar :P |
| 22:26.11 | Stskeeps | GAN800: did you get tired of Modest now too or? :P |
| 22:26.20 | ShadowJK | What IS modest? |
| 22:26.30 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: diablo mail client |
| 22:26.38 | ShadowJK | hasn't dared try |
| 22:26.43 | Stskeeps | it was called modest in chinook, before it got embedded |
| 22:26.47 | ShadowJK | I need to figure out a way to export my mail first |
| 22:27.18 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I'm in a foul mood sitting here with a splitting headache waiting for the pizza guy who's now 30 minutes late. . . . :p |
| 22:27.18 | ShadowJK | (from ~ behind nat+firewalls onto some imap) |
| 22:28.04 | Stskeeps | GAN800: mine took an hour longer than normally. i was pissed too :P |
| 22:28.16 | Stskeeps | heh. http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=246393&postcount=31 - this is something that's hard to show on MIDs |
| 22:29.08 | ShadowJK | what makes pretty graphs like that |
| 22:29.51 | ShadowJK | oh maybe I should click view thread.. |
| 22:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | Finally |
| 22:30.30 | Stskeeps | pizza? :P |
| 22:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:30.57 | hopefull | Stskeeps where can i get the battery tool |
| 22:31.09 | Stskeeps | hopefull: .. it's an active thread on internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 22:31.47 | Stskeeps | or Talk Maemo or whatever it's called now |
| 22:31.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:32.12 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, not yet. :P |
| 22:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | Probably "Talk" will be sufficient, though. ;) |
| 22:32.32 | Stskeeps | talk maemo sounds cool |
| 22:32.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | I hope that graph gets into adv-power. |
| 22:32.52 | qwerty12_N800 | Talk Maemo sounds like a chat show :P |
| 22:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hosted by qwerty12_N800. |
| 22:33.10 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: iTT drama would belong on oprah.. |
| 22:33.11 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 22:33.28 | Stskeeps | or dr phil |
| 22:33.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 22:54.49 | Stskeeps | http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/ <- heh |
| 22:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . "Linux maemo" |
| 22:54.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINL251396920081202?rpc=44 |
| 22:55.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, read |
| 22:55.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Bastards! Where's the capital M? |
| 22:56.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering what the hell "Linux maemo" is. |
| 22:57.06 | Stskeeps | better than s60 maemo |
| 22:57.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:57.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 23:07.29 | StsN800 | whoa, didn't know there was a organise applications button |
| 23:08.08 | qwerty12_N800 | how long have you had a tablet now? :p |
| 23:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | Really |
| 23:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, learn to explore control panels better. :P |
| 23:09.08 | StsN800 | im astonished i didn't find it before |
| 23:09.43 | GeneralAntilles | reduces StsN800's competence grade a few points. :P |
| 23:16.41 | StsN800 | mm |
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| 23:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome, Benson's gonna put up the new voting procedure. |
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