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| 00:20.05 | lcuk | its hard to overstate my satisfaction |
| 00:26.47 | bef0rd | ha ha. |
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| 00:36.14 | samr7 | lo all |
| 00:36.20 | samr7 | who knows anything about multimediad? |
| 00:36.56 | samr7 | nobody? |
| 00:37.41 | samr7 | aww come on, _somebody_ has to know what multimediad is |
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| 00:39.44 | sp3000 | ooh, the gpl on lsd |
| 00:43.19 | lcuk | lol sp3000 |
| 00:43.36 | lcuk | samr7, i think thats the media scanner |
| 00:43.58 | samr7 | scanner? |
| 00:44.09 | samr7 | I hear tell it handles bluetooth audio devices |
| 00:45.44 | samr7 | I'm trying to get a hands-free application to work |
| 00:45.54 | samr7 | this aspect of multimediad is of interest |
| 00:53.06 | lcuk | dunno |
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| 02:21.15 | zakkm | anyone know a way to call landlines free, over nokia ? |
| 02:21.28 | zakkm | SIP method perhaps |
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| 02:52.39 | blkno1 | Is it possible to access the entire file system via file manager? |
| 02:55.43 | lcuk | blkno1, not by default, but i believe you can create a symlink somewhere, but it causes havock with certain software |
| 02:56.05 | lcuk | i know nothing more cos i stopped trying when i heard it broke stuff |
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| 02:59.01 | blkno1 | I mounted some nfs shares and am trying to get to em. |
| 03:00.39 | zakkm | just use a different file manager ;p |
| 03:01.02 | zakkm | hey couldnt you tell filemanager to start at / ? .. wouldnt that then show all the filesystem? |
| 03:01.10 | zakkm | start at / when open? |
| 03:01.26 | blkno1 | whats the binary name for file manager pgm? |
| 03:02.06 | zakkm | osso-filemanager <-- i believe |
| 03:04.00 | blkno1 | hmm tons of oss-xxxxxx just no file manager |
| 03:13.27 | GAN800 | emelfm2 |
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| 03:15.26 | blkno1 | checking it out now GAN800 thanks |
| 03:25.52 | zakkm | dolphin!!! |
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| 04:16.13 | samr7 | who knows anything about multimediad? |
| 04:16.45 | samr7 | going once, going twice |
| 04:21.16 | samr7 | aww come on, _somebody_ has to know about multimediad |
| 04:34.47 | samr7 | nobody?? |
| 04:35.08 | tulkastaldo | I know about cheese |
| 04:35.24 | samr7 | lol, what's cheese? |
| 04:35.48 | samr7 | at least somebody's alive! |
| 04:35.55 | tulkastaldo | oh, it's great. A dairy product made from the milk of cows or goats usually |
| 04:36.25 | tulkastaldo | I'm not so much alive as undead :P |
| 04:37.04 | samr7 | lol |
| 04:37.21 | samr7 | that's great |
| 04:37.27 | samr7 | just don't vant to suck anybody's blood |
| 04:37.42 | samr7 | and we can be friends |
| 04:38.04 | samr7 | but we could be better friends if you know something about multimediad |
| 04:38.14 | tulkastaldo | spiffy, so buddy... ya got $20 I could borrow? ;) |
| 04:38.37 | tulkastaldo | yeah, I know thing about that |
| 04:39.15 | samr7 | aw, and I just pulled out a fresh $20 |
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| 04:40.45 | tulkastaldo | I know about a lot of other things though |
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| 04:49.59 | samr7 | hey tulkastaldo tell me something interesting and cool |
| 04:50.27 | tulkastaldo | there are 336 dimples on a regulation golf ball |
| 04:50.40 | tulkastaldo | in 1994 all major presidential candidates were left handed |
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| 04:51.25 | samr7 | damn dude! |
| 04:51.28 | derf | All none of them? |
| 04:51.50 | derf | Presidential elections were 1992 and 1996, not 1994. |
| 04:52.00 | samr7 | haha |
| 04:52.10 | samr7 | in the US they were |
| 04:52.24 | derf | Yes, well. |
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| 04:57.50 | tulkastaldo | gah, was 92 I was thinking of senate elections for some reason and got the dates mixed up |
| 04:58.05 | samr7 | alright, no multimediad experts here |
| 04:58.37 | samr7 | but tulkastaldo is a knowledgeable dude nonetheless |
| 04:58.40 | samr7 | later all |
| 04:58.43 | tulkastaldo | if there is they're sleeping :P |
| 04:59.00 | samr7 | then they need to wake up and talk to me |
| 04:59.05 | samr7 | hear that? |
| 04:59.10 | samr7 | WAKE UP MULTIMEDIAD EXPERTS! |
| 04:59.26 | tulkastaldo | that should do it |
| 04:59.46 | samr7 | sometimes you just have to resort to shouting |
| 05:00.30 | samr7 | alright, night all |
| 05:00.35 | tulkastaldo | peace |
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| 08:17.40 | Meiz_n810 | Mer guys | Stskeeps | johnx | anybody...: Is there a start-hildon -script downloadable somewhere? |
| 08:19.45 | Meiz_n810 | ok, maybe i don't need it yet... glib is needed before. |
| 08:27.59 | Stskeeps | it'll come |
| 08:30.34 | Stskeeps | right now im bootstrapping it so |
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| 09:00.06 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 09:00.15 | Stskeeps | as we need to make the launcher work |
| 09:00.20 | Stskeeps | and then we prolly get some patches from johnx |
| 09:02.55 | Stskeeps | it's not much worth doing huge amount of work until sdk is out as that may change the game completely |
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| 09:13.41 | Meiz_n810 | ok :) |
| 09:16.23 | Stskeeps | heh, just received an advertisement.. and there's a n810 in it |
| 09:16.59 | Stskeeps | for 1,073.41 euro. |
| 09:17.03 | Stskeeps | now -that's- a ripoff company. |
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| 09:18.08 | Stskeeps | (approx 1320 usd) |
| 09:19.05 | Stskeeps | at least they put it under portable pcs and not mobile phones. |
| 09:19.45 | Stskeeps | interesting, n810 is down in same price range as i bought my n800 in |
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| 09:34.09 | Meiz_n810 | xD 1,073,41??? |
| 09:34.53 | Meiz_n810 | when i bought my n810 it was 370 euro |
| 09:35.13 | Meiz_n810 | now it's 310 at the same store |
| 09:37.00 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, i checked out the operation, it's obviously 2x prices |
| 09:37.06 | Stskeeps | or 3-4x |
| 09:37.17 | Stskeeps | i can offer a cheaper price just ordering for people and sending it to them |
| 09:37.37 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 09:38.41 | Meiz_n810 | pandora will propably drop n810 price a bit... |
| 09:40.21 | Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure really |
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| 09:42.25 | Meiz_n810 | i guess it will... they are both portable "computers", but ofcourse, pandora is meant to be a gaming console... |
| 09:42.52 | Stskeeps | well it can only help having more omap3 stuff on the market i guess |
| 09:43.13 | Stskeeps | but what will push down prices is netbooks and ipod touch and such instead |
| 09:43.28 | Stskeeps | or HSDPA bundling |
| 09:43.36 | Meiz_n810 | k |
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| 09:45.21 | Meiz_n810 | i am really waiting for arm-based laptops (12-15 inch screen) |
| 09:45.40 | mavhc | n810's dropped 5ukps in 6 months in uk |
| 09:45.40 | Meiz_n810 | there will propably be some at the next summer |
| 09:45.48 | Meiz_n810 | when ubuntu-arm in offical |
| 09:45.53 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 09:46.03 | mavhc | debian has had an arm version for years |
| 09:46.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, but is debian very consumer oriented? :P |
| 09:46.53 | Meiz_n810 | debian should have versions for diffrent boards, not only armv4 |
| 09:47.31 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'm still wondering if armv6t-vfp makes a different to armv5t, if you optimize certain libraries for armv6t-vfp |
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| 09:54.47 | Meiz_n810 | Ubuntu will make "installers" and kernels for many devices |
| 09:54.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, probably |
| 09:55.10 | Stskeeps | but which things benefit from being compiled for later arm versions |
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| 10:00.28 | AStorm | Stskeeps, obviously, media stuff |
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| 10:00.56 | AStorm | especially from vfp |
| 10:01.16 | AStorm | unless the lib is fully integer |
| 10:02.55 | Stskeeps | yeah, stuff like libm and other heavy duty stuff :P |
| 10:09.42 | t_s_o | heh, got some spare time on your hands again qwerty12? ;) |
| 10:09.58 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, haha, yeah :P |
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| 10:49.57 | Macer | well.. upgraded my esx box :) |
| 10:51.18 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 10:51.22 | Macer | heh |
| 10:51.31 | Macer | Stskeeps - only reason i did it was to give you guys dev shells :-P |
| 10:51.39 | Macer | i still have to make the VM for debian |
| 10:51.53 | Macer | but it has a core2duo 2.8GHz and an extra 1TB in it now |
| 10:52.00 | Stskeeps | sounds good |
| 10:52.07 | Stskeeps | .. what kind of link is it on anyway? |
| 10:52.15 | Macer | comcast commerical line |
| 10:52.21 | Macer | i think 16/2 |
| 10:52.33 | Macer | something like that |
| 10:52.37 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:52.55 | Macer | maybe faster.. who knows :) |
| 10:52.56 | Stskeeps | i'm sure it can fit in the infrastructure :P right now we're waiting a bit for fremantle sdk |
| 10:53.12 | Macer | well... i'll give you root on the vm |
| 10:53.15 | Stskeeps | and to be sure, quotas on traffic? |
| 10:53.17 | Macer | after that you can take it from there |
| 10:53.17 | Macer | haha |
| 10:53.25 | Macer | no quotas |
| 10:53.27 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:53.28 | Macer | it's a commercial line |
| 10:53.32 | Macer | got it for just that reason ;) |
| 10:53.39 | Stskeeps | i've bankrupted hosting companies in the past on my other open source project :P |
| 10:53.45 | Macer | HAHA |
| 10:53.53 | Macer | well.. it will only go as fast as you allow it ;) |
| 10:53.59 | Macer | you have 934872394837 people downloading shit off the 2mbit line.. |
| 10:54.04 | Macer | it's not going to make for a good day haha |
| 10:54.13 | Stskeeps | cos they didn't think a 1.4mb download of an ircd could make that much traffic |
| 10:54.23 | Macer | hahah |
| 10:54.25 | Macer | sure it could |
| 10:54.29 | Macer | if enough people need ircd ;) |
| 10:55.08 | Macer | just try to save me 128k of my upstream ;) |
| 10:55.16 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:55.18 | Macer | so i don't hiccup when trying to check my email |
| 10:55.19 | Macer | haha |
| 10:55.31 | Stskeeps | 16/2, just noticed ;) |
| 10:55.34 | Macer | yeah |
| 10:55.37 | Stskeeps | we'll figure out something to use it for :) |
| 10:55.37 | Macer | 2mbit isn't that much |
| 10:55.41 | Macer | haha |
| 10:55.48 | Stskeeps | i have 1mbit on trac.tspre.org up |
| 10:55.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:55.58 | Macer | where's it located? |
| 10:56.19 | Stskeeps | in .dk, in a server room, dorm :P |
| 10:56.23 | Macer | ah |
| 10:56.24 | Stskeeps | dedicated 2/1 though |
| 10:56.38 | Macer | heh.. well... |
| 10:56.52 | Macer | might help to have a US spot |
| 10:57.02 | Macer | anyways.. i'll work on the debian install in a bit |
| 10:57.05 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:57.07 | Macer | i'm moving my other VMs to the 1TB |
| 10:57.24 | Macer | little shuttle has 1 80G and 1 1TB in it now |
| 10:57.27 | Macer | hope the psu doesn't melt |
| 10:57.30 | Stskeeps | no rush, as said, sitting a bit ducks till fremantle comes out :P |
| 10:57.33 | Macer | on a good UPS so shouldn't have any problems there |
| 10:57.34 | Stskeeps | (alpha sdk) |
| 10:57.37 | Macer | ah |
| 10:57.42 | Macer | ok... well... i'll let you know when it's up |
| 10:57.56 | Macer | although.. you may have to tell me to set up my httpd to redirect to the VM |
| 10:58.05 | Macer | any specific hostname you want for it? |
| 10:58.16 | Macer | it would be xxx.rancorous.net |
| 10:58.16 | Stskeeps | nah, something 'mer' related possibly |
| 10:58.23 | Stskeeps | so mer.rancorous.net |
| 10:58.28 | Macer | ok |
| 10:58.35 | Macer | i'll set that up too after i'm done moving all this crap to the new hd |
| 10:58.43 | Macer | i'll let you know when i'm done |
| 10:58.45 | Stskeeps | fine |
| 10:58.50 | Stskeeps | continues compiling stuff :P |
| 10:58.55 | Macer | heh |
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| 10:59.51 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/ |
| 11:00.29 | lcuk | has firefox become old and bloated and slow? |
| 11:00.35 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:00.43 | Stskeeps | i recall when firefox was bloody speedy |
| 11:00.56 | Stskeeps | .. and when IE was faster than netscape |
| 11:01.05 | lcuk | yeah ive still got a 1.x branch at work |
| 11:01.25 | Macer | haha |
| 11:01.38 | lcuk | ive just done a v simple test and my internet explorer 6 beats it! |
| 11:01.42 | Macer | firefox kinda went the monolithic route |
| 11:01.44 | lcuk | the 3.x i mean |
| 11:01.47 | Macer | at least opera is still around :) |
| 11:01.58 | lcuk | came from ie to ff |
| 11:02.43 | lcuk | i spent about 3 hours yesterday cleaning up tonnes of stuff only to discover its not my machine or fs |
| 11:02.56 | Macer | this stuff really needs to hurry up and copy |
| 11:03.01 | Macer | my zimbra server is down because of this :) |
| 11:03.08 | AStorm | Macer, firefox monolithic? wtf? |
| 11:03.26 | lcuk | anyway, good mornin chaps \o |
| 11:03.29 | AStorm | you meant the other way? |
| 11:03.41 | AStorm | hi lcuk |
| 11:03.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: how slow is the transparency? |
| 11:03.55 | lcuk | he said slow |
| 11:04.06 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:04.07 | Macer | no |
| 11:04.11 | Macer | characterized by massiveness |
| 11:04.56 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Not very much tbh. Usable but there is a little delay. If you want to try it out, I could upload the two debs (xcompmgr is "toggableable" from the menu) |
| 11:04.58 | Macer | my god this copying is killing me |
| 11:05.07 | Macer | i need to get these damn VMs started back up :) |
| 11:05.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: maybe will later :P compiling a lot of stuff |
| 11:05.24 | Macer | maybe i'll go smoke and when i come back.. they'll be done |
| 11:05.25 | lcuk | has a lean mean win machine, everything else runs nicely ;) |
| 11:05.28 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe |
| 11:07.56 | lcuk | qwerty12, what does the fade actually fade from and to? |
| 11:08.08 | lcuk | could we use it to fade between background images? |
| 11:08.37 | qwerty12 | lcuk, no idea, I've never used xcompmgr before, I've only noticed it fading in the on screen keyboard & menus so far |
| 11:08.39 | lcuk | (on idle during charging) |
| 11:09.40 | qwerty12 | mpd. can't beat it. |
| 11:10.25 | AStorm | can. xmms2 |
| 11:10.37 | qwerty12 | Nah, xmms2 was never to my taste |
| 11:10.56 | AStorm | uhm, servers are a matter of taste now? :P |
| 11:11.39 | qwerty12 | Yes :P. I like the range of clients and programs for mpd etc |
| 11:12.30 | AStorm | yup, that xmms2 can't beat yet |
| 11:12.43 | qwerty12 | Plus after compiling ~30 dependencies for moar features, you'll be hard pushed to change my mind :P |
| 11:12.45 | AStorm | unfortunately, mpd has a sucky audio output |
| 11:13.02 | AStorm | the deps are similar |
| 11:13.09 | qwerty12 | yeah, on the tablets I have to get it to use libao which sends it to esd :/ |
| 11:13.18 | qwerty12 | be nice if it could just send to esd directly |
| 11:13.41 | AStorm | you can |
| 11:13.54 | AStorm | I use it for pulse on my machine |
| 11:14.04 | AStorm | *used |
| 11:14.12 | Stskeeps | looks forward to pulseaudio on tablets. |
| 11:14.30 | qwerty12 | oh, on the computer. Yeah, I used to use pulseaudio in one of my past ubuntu installs but took me ages to set up :/ |
| 11:14.37 | AStorm | looks forward to proper ALSA |
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| 11:14.55 | AStorm | ages? it's 5 minutes |
| 11:15.25 | qwerty12 | Getting as much apps as you can to use pulse natively? |
| 11:15.32 | AStorm | yes |
| 11:15.40 | AStorm | the worst was actually mpd |
| 11:15.56 | AStorm | and some portaudio apps |
| 11:16.05 | qwerty12 | worst for me was flash. stupid wrapper would cause firefox to crash |
| 11:16.39 | AStorm | fixed now :) |
| 11:17.44 | LinuxCode | anyone know a kernel arg to specify keyboard type ? |
| 11:18.04 | LinuxCode | or a list of kernel args or how I can obtain one ? |
| 11:18.12 | qwerty12 | Ah, cool! It's tempting to try pulseaudio and get this back again: http://i25.tinypic.com/35i50uf.png :P |
| 11:18.14 | Stskeeps | .. maybe you should start by telling what you're trying to codo |
| 11:18.14 | LinuxCode | Id imagine there would be a file somewhere |
| 11:18.17 | Stskeeps | , todo |
| 11:18.35 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, its not maemo related really |
| 11:18.38 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
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| 11:20.44 | AStorm | nah,. compiz sucks |
| 11:21.02 | AStorm | I actually meant nvidia sucks :P |
| 11:21.08 | qwerty12 | ATI here :) |
| 11:21.15 | AStorm | game framerate is cut in half |
| 11:21.19 | qwerty12 | Though a shitty IGP >.< |
| 11:21.41 | AStorm | cube is pointless |
| 11:21.43 | AStorm | unusable |
| 11:21.44 | RST38h | has got a trident |
| 11:22.03 | qwerty12 | Heh, I remember the time when everyone was advocating NVDIA for Linux... |
| 11:22.10 | RST38h | so, there is NO game framerate |
| 11:22.14 | AStorm | a trident or the trident? |
| 11:22.21 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:22.21 | RST38h | a |
| 11:22.47 | RST38h | or I would use it on a few people |
| 11:22.50 | qwerty12 | RST38h, I used to have an nvidia riva tnt2 :P. 32MB memory! |
| 11:23.13 | RST38h | ah, tnt at least supports 3d |
| 11:23.25 | AStorm | I used to have S3 Savage 4 :P |
| 11:23.43 | AStorm | pity S3 folded so quickly |
| 11:23.47 | qwerty12 | I have the Epson LCD controller! |
| 11:24.25 | lcuk | r0xx0r! |
| 11:24.34 | AStorm | too |
| 11:24.46 | RST38h | well at least it does hw scaling |
| 11:24.57 | slonopotamus | hates configure scripts |
| 11:25.09 | AStorm | I have a 1bit diode framebuffer :P |
| 11:25.19 | lcuk | RST38h, it does hardware dynamic scaling as well - i identified a mode ages ago which turns it into a lens |
| 11:25.20 | AStorm | fun project, that one |
| 11:25.31 | slonopotamus | 10kb app + 700kb configure script. idiocy. |
| 11:25.50 | AStorm | lcuk, :D |
| 11:26.14 | AStorm | slonopotamus, that's autoconf for you |
| 11:26.18 | AStorm | it should die |
| 11:26.21 | lcuk | reboots |
| 11:26.33 | lcuk | autoconf is good and its bad, i cant use it :( |
| 11:26.48 | slonopotamus | conditional compilation is evil |
| 11:27.18 | AStorm | slonopotamus, not always... win32 is different enough to warrant some |
| 11:27.46 | slonopotamus | make standard lib and write apps against it |
| 11:27.57 | slonopotamus | without any conditionals |
| 11:28.15 | AStorm | yeah right |
| 11:28.24 | AStorm | it's called cygwin? |
| 11:28.26 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:28.34 | slonopotamus | only c/cpp has this troubles |
| 11:28.40 | slonopotamus | these |
| 11:28.41 | AStorm | yup |
| 11:28.56 | slonopotamus | bad lib design? |
| 11:29.57 | AStorm | you mean, stdlib from 60s? yup |
| 11:30.06 | slonopotamus | java, for example, doesn't have preprocessor at all |
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| 11:30.47 | slonopotamus | and many languages too |
| 11:31.00 | AStorm | yes |
| 11:31.12 | slonopotamus | and that doesn't prevent then from writing good software |
| 11:31.14 | AStorm | cpp is an old hack |
| 11:31.51 | slonopotamus | just moaning, don't mind |
| 11:32.21 | lcuk | let us know when you stop moaning so we can un /ignore you |
| 11:32.27 | lcuk | :P |
| 11:32.30 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 11:33.07 | lcuk | i just had my first go on rockband |
| 11:33.22 | lcuk | tracy said i got the bike face |
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| 11:34.11 | lardman | morning all |
| 11:34.16 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 11:34.25 | lcuk | hiya |
| 11:34.30 | qwerty12 | ello lardman |
| 11:35.00 | lardman | hey chaps |
| 11:35.17 | lardman | Am just taking a look at baddu's opengl-on-dsp code |
| 11:35.32 | lcuk | now THAT makes me smile |
| 11:35.44 | lcuk | you have a buildable gl? (on any processor!) |
| 11:36.04 | lardman | vincent? |
| 11:36.08 | lardman | opengl-es then |
| 11:36.09 | Stskeeps | opengl-on-dsp? |
| 11:36.20 | lcuk | lardman, needs full thing, not just vincent |
| 11:36.37 | AStorm | dammit |
| 11:36.39 | lcuk | we couldnt get a from source system setup |
| 11:36.42 | lardman | ah well, just opengl es then for starters |
| 11:36.44 | AStorm | browserd crashed... again |
| 11:36.59 | lcuk | lardman :D |
| 11:37.07 | Stskeeps | is curious what lardman is talking about :P |
| 11:37.40 | lardman | I've emailed baddu and suggested he starts a garage project as I'm sure at least a few people will be interested in this |
| 11:37.40 | lcuk | i am intruiged by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 11:37.49 | AStorm | uhm? he implemented a shader pipeline on dsp? |
| 11:37.49 | lcuk | oh yes |
| 11:37.59 | lardman | AStorm: not sure yet |
| 11:38.10 | lcuk | but its dsp, so the dev size shrinks :( |
| 11:38.34 | lcuk | but its opengl so i will cheer you on every step of the way :D |
| 11:38.37 | lardman | yeah but it's just C/C++ code, the dspgateway stuff can be hidden away |
| 11:38.48 | lcuk | not on device though |
| 11:38.56 | lardman | yes it can |
| 11:39.06 | Stskeeps | isn't a 3d accelerator just a glorified DSP anyway? |
| 11:39.06 | lcuk | full build system on device? |
| 11:39.09 | lcuk | yes |
| 11:39.17 | lardman | lcuk: ah, ok not build system |
| 11:39.19 | lcuk | and a dsp is just a glorified arm |
| 11:39.48 | lcuk | hey simon, i got over a major sticking point in my code last night |
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| 11:39.59 | lardman | dsp has specialisms, macs and the like, lots of numeric-helping microcode/extra registers, that sort of thing afaik |
| 11:40.11 | lardman | lcuk: what was that? |
| 11:40.27 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24821&page=10 |
| 11:40.31 | lcuk | scroll down, theres pictures |
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| 11:45.15 | AStorm | dsp is a specialized arm :) |
| 11:45.34 | lcuk | arm is a specialized leg |
| 11:45.38 | AStorm | and not using it is just a waste of 133 MHz |
| 11:45.41 | AStorm | :P |
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| 11:45.53 | lcuk | yes, sitting idle is a waste |
| 11:46.35 | lardman | well not really, as the DSP can be switched off completely |
| 11:46.58 | lardman | but it would be good to be able to use it for more stuff of course :) |
| 11:46.58 | lcuk | yeah deffo |
| 11:47.20 | lcuk | which do you prefer by the way, handwriting or ttf |
| 11:47.29 | lardman | me? |
| 11:47.33 | lardman | typing |
| 11:48.33 | lcuk | lardman, i mean the handwriting font - it is still typed - its just a font but YOUR handwriting |
| 11:48.47 | lardman | ah ok |
| 11:49.34 | AStorm | ouch, my handwriting is less legible |
| 11:49.39 | AStorm | and takes more space |
| 11:50.12 | lcuk | astorm, its scalable |
| 11:50.50 | lcuk | i was looking at a variation engine initially, make x boxes each with a sketch and show all variations of a certain tag |
| 11:53.49 | AStorm | ? |
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| 11:54.21 | AStorm | lc |
| 11:54.37 | lcuk | lol |
| 11:54.54 | lcuk | AStorm, the handwriting font thing didnt start as handwriting |
| 11:54.54 | AStorm | well, my handwriting scaled would be illegible |
| 11:54.59 | lcuk | it was just me playing |
| 11:55.05 | lcuk | ahhh - but it would |
| 11:55.20 | lcuk | you can read your handwriting at different distances from your eyes cant you.. |
| 11:56.24 | AStorm | to some limit |
| 11:56.33 | AStorm | not at 9pt |
| 11:56.38 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:57.04 | AStorm | that would be the equivalent of 2m distance |
| 11:57.40 | lcuk | heh, what if i got celebs to supply their handwriting |
| 11:57.42 | lcuk | or doctors |
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| 11:58.33 | lardman | yeah mine's pretty bad ;) |
| 11:58.53 | lcuk | ahhh excellent "Fonts by Community Council member lardman" |
| 11:59.03 | lcuk | or should i say sfjkhawefuiesrg |
| 11:59.09 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:59.27 | lcuk | my god luke hasnt stopped with rockband all morning |
| 11:59.48 | lcuk | at least modern drums are quieter than real drums :) |
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| 12:00.58 | AStorm | lcuk, no, they aren't |
| 12:01.12 | lardman | where can I read a good technical overview of opengl (es)? |
| 12:01.24 | lcuk | which aspect si |
| 12:01.34 | lcuk | the api or usage |
| 12:01.52 | lcuk | http://www.opengl.org/documentation/ |
| 12:01.57 | lardman | api I suppose, what sorts of data are passed |
| 12:02.18 | lardman | good stuff, thanks |
| 12:02.44 | lcuk | need faster internet on tablets |
| 12:02.47 | lcuk | and leave one in bathroom |
| 12:02.56 | lcuk | but you cant rip pages off it in an emergency |
| 12:04.05 | lardman | certainly need faster internet, not sure about the rest :) |
| 12:04.15 | lcuk | lol |
| 12:05.02 | lcuk | i started to pull in the core libraries and methods for parsing text yesterday |
| 12:11.19 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 12:14.03 | lardman | hi Jaffa |
| 12:16.17 | lcuk | hiya jaffa |
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| 12:23.54 | `Mace | well |
| 12:23.58 | `Mace | let's see about installing debian |
| 12:23.59 | `Mace | blah |
| 12:24.13 | lcuk | heh, microsoft are rethinking software rendering :D http://games.slashdot.org/games/08/11/29/2058259.shtml |
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| 12:27.14 | AStorm | lcuk, I see it as "take that, Intel" |
| 12:27.22 | lcuk | yup i do as well |
| 12:27.25 | `Mace | haha |
| 12:27.40 | `Mace | wtf is wrong with crysis? |
| 12:27.58 | lcuk | of course the example crysis is just silly numbers, its for glass but it it shows its possible |
| 12:27.59 | `Mace | i mean seriously.. even the newest of the new cards seem to not work very well at playing it |
| 12:28.28 | `Mace | screw that. it's all about quake 3 arena |
| 12:28.40 | `Mace | Stskeeps - you around? |
| 12:28.44 | lcuk | is more a ut99 fan |
| 12:28.55 | `Mace | i honestly never played it |
| 12:28.58 | AStorm | ultimately, they fail |
| 12:29.00 | `Mace | although i think that q3 kinda sucked |
| 12:29.01 | lcuk | i still play it |
| 12:29.14 | lcuk | and portal :D |
| 12:29.15 | `Mace | quake 1 was probably the most balanced |
| 12:29.16 | AStorm | I find ut more to my taste |
| 12:29.27 | AStorm | although q3 has its charm |
| 12:29.29 | `Mace | just because you could rocket jump heh |
| 12:29.36 | lcuk | hated what they did to ut - they seem to have found mojo recently though |
| 12:29.42 | `Mace | q3 made it extremely difficult to aim |
| 12:29.46 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 12:29.55 | slonopotamus | eight-core i7 |
| 12:30.05 | `Mace | is that an actual 8 core? |
| 12:30.10 | lcuk | suckers should try doing it on omap2 |
| 12:30.11 | slonopotamus | almost beat intel integrated vieo |
| 12:30.11 | `Mace | or is it a ht 4 core? |
| 12:30.15 | AStorm | `Mace, sucking at rj? lol |
| 12:30.16 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 12:30.20 | lcuk | they dont know the meaning of constrained |
| 12:30.22 | EgS | `Mace: 4core with ht |
| 12:30.27 | Stskeeps | `Mace: mm? |
| 12:30.29 | AStorm | :> |
| 12:30.32 | `Mace | heh |
| 12:30.33 | lcuk | egs, oooh ht |
| 12:30.38 | `Mace | Stskeeps - how much space do you need? |
| 12:30.56 | AStorm | lcuk, I think the DSP would beat intel's junk |
| 12:30.57 | AStorm | :P |
| 12:31.08 | Stskeeps | `Mace: er, how much are you willing to give? :P 5-10gb? |
| 12:31.11 | lcuk | i think a dead squirrel would beat intel mobos |
| 12:31.12 | `Mace | er |
| 12:31.18 | `Mace | so 400 would be ok? |
| 12:31.19 | `Mace | heh |
| 12:31.23 | Stskeeps | er. 400gb? |
| 12:31.26 | `Mace | yeah |
| 12:31.35 | Stskeeps | .. i think you can set it to 100gb while we're negotiating |
| 12:31.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 12:31.45 | Stskeeps | more than enough for quite a while |
| 12:31.46 | `Mace | 5 - 10? .. you living in 1992? :) |
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| 12:31.54 | AStorm | hmm, any nice laptop with cheap ht multicore, and power efficient too? |
| 12:31.58 | `Mace | i like to think future.. i'll give you 250 for now |
| 12:32.02 | Stskeeps | .. okay |
| 12:32.03 | `Mace | if you need more i'll give you space on my fs |
| 12:32.08 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:32.14 | lcuk | AStorm, theres a nokia tablet you might be interested in |
| 12:32.15 | `Mace | i'm going to work on the debian install now |
| 12:32.21 | lcuk | its multicore |
| 12:32.22 | AStorm | lcuk, I have one |
| 12:32.34 | AStorm | no hnt though |
| 12:32.35 | `Mace | Stskeeps - you want debian? |
| 12:32.37 | AStorm | *ht |
| 12:32.39 | AStorm | :P |
| 12:32.39 | `Mace | or would some other distro be better? |
| 12:32.48 | Stskeeps | `Mace: it's debian or ubuntu server.. ubuntu server may be better with our work |
| 12:32.51 | slonopotamus | 8-core i7 is a little bit quicker then integrated graphics. hehe. didn't they compare the price? |
| 12:33.04 | `Mace | hm. |
| 12:33.14 | Stskeeps | but it doesn't matter since it's all chroot stuff |
| 12:33.17 | lcuk | anyway, back later ive got some coding to do |
| 12:33.28 | lcuk | look at me still talking then theres science to do D: |
| 12:33.30 | `Mace | hm.. i'll use ubuntu server then |
| 12:33.32 | lcuk | mmm |
| 12:33.34 | lcuk | :D even |
| 12:33.57 | slonopotamus | is there compiz in ubuntu server? :) |
| 12:34.34 | Stskeeps | it doesn't matter when we access with ssh.. |
| 12:34.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:34.39 | AStorm | lcuk, same... after some unfortunate shopping :/ |
| 12:34.50 | slonopotamus | no compiz over ssh?! |
| 12:35.25 | slonopotamus | man, then it's not better then old debian ;) |
| 12:35.29 | slonopotamus | than |
| 12:36.47 | AStorm | compiz over ssh? wtf? |
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| 13:13.14 | lardman|out | xmas shopping beckons :( |
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| 13:16.22 | johnx | m00f |
| 13:16.57 | qwerty12_N800 | foom |
| 13:17.08 | jaska | oomf |
| 13:17.27 | qwerty12_N800 | fmoo |
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| 13:22.30 | LinuxCode | lardman|out, dont mention x-mas lol |
| 13:22.36 | koos | what if my maemo/extra package has a runtime depency on xsltproc, which is in maemo/sdk repo, does the autogenerated .install files add this repo? |
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| 13:29.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: hildon-desktop is bootstrapped in repo btw, and on lp:~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-desktop |
| 13:29.30 | johnx | ah, beat me to it |
| 13:29.36 | johnx | I just got back to my apartment |
| 13:29.41 | Stskeeps | armel build is in progress |
| 13:30.18 | johnx | so you pulled in start-hildon and killed off dependency on osso-af-init and hildon-initscripts I assume? |
| 13:32.17 | Stskeeps | nah, just to level where it builds and libhildondesktop-dev is installable for launcher |
| 13:32.32 | Stskeeps | almost straight from svn tag |
| 13:33.05 | Stskeeps | juf |
| 13:33.19 | johnx | ah, so then it won't install without those I think |
| 13:33.24 | Stskeeps | just needs hacking now |
| 13:33.28 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:34.11 | Stskeeps | just branch mine i guess |
| 13:35.20 | johnx | ok, sounds good |
| 13:37.46 | Stskeeps | but im just sitting ducks till fremantle alpha sdk comes out |
| 13:39.25 | Stskeeps | k, h-d is built for armel too |
| 13:40.22 | Stskeeps | feel free to use builder, follow directions in blueprint, (upload source package, /import-new-packages on server, and say "build srcpackage" on #merbuilder on jaiku) |
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| 13:47.34 | `Mace | sts |
| 13:47.42 | `Mace | you want this ubuntu server install to use auto updates? :) |
| 13:50.09 | `Mace | nevermind.. i just chose no. |
| 13:50.10 | `Mace | heh |
| 13:51.32 | `Mace | i might have to drop your RAM % .. you'll probably only get 512-1G |
| 13:51.44 | johnx | yeah, that's fine |
| 13:56.56 | `Mace | heh |
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| 13:57.13 | `Mace | johnx - you're both working on this mer stuff right? |
| 13:57.40 | johnx | yeah, but right now Stskeeps is doing most of the work. just saying, that it shouldn't matter |
| 13:58.02 | `Mace | well.. ijust wanted you to set up the ubuntu box ;) |
| 13:58.06 | Jaffa | koos: no, your extras apps should only have dependencies on packages which are part of the system install, or available in extras. |
| 13:58.18 | Jaffa | koos: if you depend on xsltproc, you'll have to put it in extras |
| 13:59.23 | koos | Jaffa: thanks, I'll do that then |
| 14:00.17 | koos | Jaffa: btw, can I just take the same one from /sdk, ie no version change? |
| 14:01.32 | suihkulokki | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.15 | Jaffa | koos: should be ok, I think |
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| 14:08.41 | lcuk | damn damn damn damn |
| 14:11.26 | GAN800 | They should just fold the Tools repo into Extras. |
| 14:11.41 | GAN800 | Who do we need to talk to to make that happen? :/ |
| 14:11.45 | lcuk | tears someone elses hair out (to save his own) |
| 14:15.03 | Jaffa | GAN800: We tried already and there was some Nokia pushback/washing hands of it |
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| 14:26.58 | GAN800 | Jaffa, I'm not convinced we got all the way to the source |
| 14:32.55 | lcuk | i cant get this 800 updated |
| 14:34.13 | lcuk | gonna confirm it works when i connect via normal disk mode |
| 14:34.47 | LinuxCode | lcuk, pull mine |
| 14:34.56 | LinuxCode | smears some curry into his hair |
| 14:35.01 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 14:35.02 | lcuk | mmmmm yummy |
| 14:35.06 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 14:35.08 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 14:35.26 | LinuxCode | actualy wasnt that yummy |
| 14:35.33 | LinuxCode | i wanted a madras but they didnt have one |
| 14:37.00 | lcuk | i thought you would be more like a mild korma (with extra cream) |
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| 14:37.43 | lcuk | ahhh usb is on the fritz mm |
| 14:38.53 | lcuk | no, it adds the 2 drives |
| 14:39.22 | lcuk | and drops them if i unplug - right, thats working. any mojo required to update an n800 with windows flasher? |
| 14:40.24 | qwerty12_N800 | Save yourself from pain & just use the linux flasher. windows' one involves installing shit like bb5 drivers |
| 14:42.12 | qwerty12_N800 | dreads booting into vista. i know that there will be a backlog of updates waiting for me :/ |
| 14:42.35 | lcuk | same usb port finds my n810 correctly first time |
| 14:42.47 | lcuk | its waiting now |
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| 14:44.25 | lcuk | mmmm thats odd then |
| 14:44.38 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, if you insist, run cmd and run the following: set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 , start devmgmt.msc and choose show all devices from view menu and uninstall the stuff like nokia phone adl parent, bb5 etc |
| 14:45.01 | lcuk | thanks :) i do insist |
| 14:49.03 | GAN800 | Windows. . . . |
| 14:50.33 | johnx | ~windows |
| 14:50.33 | infobot | rumour has it, windows is either a 64bit hack on the 32 bit hack or just a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs, or bloatware, or an operating system |
| 14:50.57 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 14:51.16 | johnx | guess he couldn't take the windows bashing? |
| 14:52.30 | qwerty12_N800 | shame that 0xffff didn't work in windows last time when i hacked it enough to compile in cygwin :/ |
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| 14:55.44 | drwx | Hi, do you know how to do page up and page down on N810 |
| 14:56.29 | andrewfblack | I'm on a windows pc right now, and i don't mind the bashing |
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| 14:56.49 | lcuk | poo |
| 14:56.54 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 14:56.58 | lcuk | foo |
| 14:57.38 | lcuk | ~flashing |
| 14:57.39 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:57.40 | andrewfblack | I will admit the only real reason I'm on windows is I havnt taken the time to put linux on this new laptop |
| 15:00.00 | drwx | Do you know how to do page up on N810 please |
| 15:01.58 | johnx | drwx, if someone knows they'll respond, no need to repeat quite so often |
| 15:02.26 | GAN800 | I should probably stop posting from this thinf |
| 15:02.34 | GAN800 | s/thinf/thing/ |
| 15:02.56 | GAN800 | The finger keyboard makes me flammier than I intend to be. :P |
| 15:03.05 | johnx | GAN800, the lack of *anyone* even making positive noises about a community supported edition hurts |
| 15:03.42 | GAN800 | johnx, I'm gonna address THAT point later. . . . |
| 15:03.52 | GAN800 | Hi andrewfblack. :) |
| 15:04.05 | johnx | just, please don't stir people up too much about it |
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| 15:06.19 | GAN800 | johnx, I was just planning on point at the activity. :p |
| 15:06.35 | johnx | hmm, in that case give me a couple days :) |
| 15:08.19 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 15:08.37 | slonopotamus | s/hmm/hmmm/ |
| 15:09.12 | slonopotamus | s/\//\// |
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| 15:10.00 | slonopotamus | hmm |
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| 15:14.30 | Stskeeps | wonders what's going on now :P |
| 15:17.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: quim seems positive about variants, atleast, and keeps on referring to it :P |
| 15:18.23 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, the issue is the idiots on itT. :P |
| 15:18.27 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:18.36 | johnx | yeah, which is nice. having the diablo desktop with fremantle-level libs is probably a realistic goal |
| 15:18.36 | Stskeeps | it's easier to discuss than do something |
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| 15:22.35 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, well, rant and foam at the mouth. ;) |
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| 15:24.59 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you use maemo gtk in beta2 btw? |
| 15:25.12 | Stskeeps | never tried out beta2 so has no idea the level of functionality it had |
| 15:25.31 | johnx | I used all debian packages |
| 15:25.49 | johnx | that was before I realized the extent of changes in the gtk library |
| 15:26.13 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:26.40 | johnx | functionality was ok, but the system was a minefield. install a debian package and it would just overwrite random stuff I had hacked into place by hand |
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| 15:26.56 | johnx | it was more "demo" than "proof of concept" |
| 15:27.28 | GAN800 | Input was the real killer for out-of-the-box for me. |
| 15:27.37 | johnx | ah, well that too |
| 15:27.41 | johnx | heh |
| 15:27.43 | GAN800 | stabs Matchbox keyboard |
| 15:28.02 | Stskeeps | GAN800: you have impressive skill in typing on your on screen keyboard, i must say |
| 15:28.10 | GAN800 | lol |
| 15:28.16 | GAN800 | Lotta practice |
| 15:28.39 | GAN800 | I'd be better if it weren't for the myriad of bugs that slow me down. |
| 15:29.52 | derf | I've still never really used the one that comes with the device. |
| 15:30.41 | GAN800 | vkb? |
| 15:30.57 | GAN800 | I hate that thing. qwerty12 is insane for using it. |
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| 15:31.04 | GAN800 | qwerty12_N800, |
| 15:31.11 | GAN800 | lol |
| 15:31.34 | derf | I use maemocjk. |
| 15:31.44 | johnx | ah, matchbox-keyboard :) |
| 15:31.46 | GAN800 | Multitouch would reduce the number of phantom returns. :/ |
| 15:31.59 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN800 = hater :P |
| 15:32.07 | GAN800 | Woo Woo |
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| 15:51.32 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'm signed up on launchpad (finally, I know). What do I have to do to be able to push to mer's bzr? |
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| 16:01.35 | thopiekar | hi |
| 16:01.57 | thopiekar | do you know who is responsible for the maemo-sdk-vm on m.garage? |
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| 16:02.30 | lcuk | thopiekar, nope, isnt there a contact page on the garage |
| 16:02.48 | lcuk | but whats up with it |
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| 16:04.29 | thopiekar | i just wanna make some how-to's and help other people here in germany working with it... so i even wanted to ask the publishers to get multi-language support |
| 16:05.23 | thopiekar | something like the ubuntu's language-changing-dialog on the first start of the vm |
| 16:05.50 | thopiekar | and multilanguge-support in eclipse would be useful |
| 16:05.50 | thopiekar | .. |
| 16:05.52 | lcuk | well i think theres other problems first isnt there - is it still using the chinook build stuff |
| 16:06.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: nothing |
| 16:06.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: bzr push lp:~yourusername/m-r/packagename |
| 16:07.39 | Stskeeps | and bzr merge to grab from your upstream |
| 16:07.42 | johnx | ah, awesome |
| 16:08.00 | thopiekar | i started myself to make a own vm.. but i stopped working on it because i remembered that there is something on m.garage... |
| 16:08.37 | Stskeeps | vm or wm? |
| 16:08.46 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:08.48 | thopiekar | vm |
| 16:08.49 | thopiekar | ^^ |
| 16:08.51 | Stskeeps | nm :) |
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| 16:10.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: and the ease of uploadign and publishing branches is one positive side of lp i guess |
| 16:10.19 | Stskeeps | johnx: ~johnx on there? |
| 16:10.27 | johnx | John Bloom I think? |
| 16:11.30 | Stskeeps | well, you have a username |
| 16:11.50 | johnx | ah, gave me johnxx from my email I guess |
| 16:11.53 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:12.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: remember bzr whoami btw |
| 16:12.31 | johnx | yeah, gotta fix my bzr settings :/ |
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| 16:16.04 | Stskeeps | still isn't fond of launchpad |
| 16:16.23 | Stskeeps | too unstable |
| 16:16.30 | johnx | unstable? really? |
| 16:16.45 | Stskeeps | "https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/3.0-2r4480/", unstable bzr, etc.. |
| 16:17.15 | GAN800 | lcuk, it was updated a while ago. . . |
| 16:17.26 | lcuk | ok thanks |
| 16:19.13 | johnx | Stskeeps, ok, just as you said that it died trying to update my location :/ |
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| 16:29.29 | Stskeeps | er, odd paste |
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| 16:34.33 | Stskeeps | takes a look at the donated space from Macer |
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| 16:41.54 | Stskeeps | notes launchpad is as slow as maemo.org when the 770s were running it |
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| 16:43.59 | Meiz_n810 | ! |
| 16:44.02 | Meiz_n810 | The interpid version of ubuntu-mobile does not use hildon-desktop or matchbox-window-manager at all! |
| 16:44.22 | johnx | yes |
| 16:44.46 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hm? |
| 16:44.59 | Stskeeps | didn't know that |
| 16:45.02 | Stskeeps | what does it use then? |
| 16:45.04 | Meiz_n810 | so, we can have both maemo-desktop and u-m desktop on jaunty |
| 16:45.23 | Stskeeps | ideally, i guess |
| 16:45.31 | Meiz_n810 | it uses gnome things |
| 16:45.33 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:45.38 | Meiz_n810 | like gnome-panel... |
| 16:46.02 | Stskeeps | sounds slow :P |
| 16:46.15 | GAN800 | Ah, now the thread has come full circle. |
| 16:46.17 | Meiz_n810 | it seems to use openbox... |
| 16:47.30 | Stskeeps | but yeah, switching between DE's could be neat |
| 16:47.55 | Meiz_n810 | not sure about openbox |
| 16:48.10 | Stskeeps | "my nokia can be anything i want: android, ubuntu mobile, maemo, gnome, kde, fluxbox, .. or windows" |
| 16:48.41 | Stskeeps | open platform, open device |
| 16:48.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:49.34 | Meiz_n810 | i wanna try u-m on my ubuntu-box, how to start it? |
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| 16:56.47 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no clue :P |
| 16:57.11 | Meiz_n810 | is now asking from ubuntu -channels... |
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| 17:00.28 | johnx | kind of nice to be commiting to my own space. At least I don't have to worry about stepping on other people's toes :) |
| 17:00.52 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:01.10 | johnx | forgot how fast my desktop was, re: compiling |
| 17:01.58 | Stskeeps | i guess it helps a bit in development that we also build for i386 |
| 17:02.26 | johnx | anyways, I think I re-re-debianized hildon-desktop successfully |
| 17:03.26 | Stskeeps | still using launcher? |
| 17:04.01 | GAN800 | Have you been adding variants-related bugs to the wiki? |
| 17:04.34 | johnx | it appears not |
| 17:04.48 | Stskeeps | fairly easy to add |
| 17:05.08 | johnx | just a tweak to configure? |
| 17:05.13 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 17:05.20 | johnx | I wonder if it affects the way it's started |
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| 17:05.52 | johnx | I'll just diff your rules with mine |
| 17:06.26 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 17:06.56 | Stskeeps | GAN800: we have them partly documented in our bzr branches and our jaiku log |
| 17:07.25 | Stskeeps | so far they're not that rough really |
| 17:07.26 | johnx | hmm, in debian's package, maemo-launcher support is you export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=maemo-launcher |
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| 17:07.43 | johnx | I assume we want it on all the time |
| 17:07.46 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:07.53 | Stskeeps | now that we have the package bootstrapped |
| 17:08.06 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, put it on the wiki. :p |
| 17:08.48 | Stskeeps | GAN800: the real issue is when we start investigating architecture.. which relies on us knowing how fremantle looks |
| 17:08.54 | Stskeeps | as we'll be beating a dead horse |
| 17:08.57 | Stskeeps | +else |
| 17:09.24 | Stskeeps | real issue appears |
| 17:09.40 | Stskeeps | fremantle arch, / alpha sdk |
| 17:09.56 | Mousey | didja know there's a new Garnet VM beta for nseries? |
| 17:10.02 | aquatix | yep |
| 17:10.04 | aquatix | :) |
| 17:10.06 | Mousey | it's almost got me wondering.. WHY? |
| 17:10.07 | aquatix | got an email |
| 17:10.14 | Mousey | didn't stop me from installing it tho = |
| 17:10.18 | Mousey | =) |
| 17:10.25 | aquatix | myeah, there are 30000+ palm apps |
| 17:10.33 | aquatix | so it's nice to be able to run some |
| 17:10.38 | aquatix | for example medical ones |
| 17:10.51 | Mousey | yah, i still have a Treo700p |
| 17:10.51 | aquatix | or the PIM ones if you're really attached to them ;) |
| 17:10.56 | johnx | emulation is the future :) |
| 17:11.07 | Mousey | i love the Palm PIMs |
| 17:11.17 | Mousey | emulation bah, abstraction! =) |
| 17:11.40 | l7 | what kind of medical palm apps are there? |
| 17:11.44 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'm gonna get some sleep before I try and reconcile debian's "rules" with maemo's "rules" |
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| 17:11.59 | aquatix | l7: lots of documentation and calculation stuff iirc |
| 17:12.15 | l7 | hrm, i guess that might be handy for doctors |
| 17:12.20 | aquatix | indeed |
| 17:12.21 | Stskeeps | johnx: alright, gnite |
| 17:12.29 | aquatix | and for all kinds of other medical personel |
| 17:14.57 | l7 | yeah, i guess it could help them go paperless |
| 17:15.22 | l7 | i wonder if anyone has tried switching a hospital to palm devices |
| 17:15.55 | l7 | it seems like they might need something with more power like a tablet pc though |
| 17:16.00 | l7 | or a n900 |
| 17:18.00 | Meiz_n810 | allright... meta-package "ubuntu-mobile" installs gnome with the "Xandros style launcher" and installing kourou installs hildon etc... So we won't be able to have maemo-desktop and u-m on Mer at the same time. :( |
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| 17:23.38 | GAN800 | Dropbear spam |
| 17:23.56 | GAN800 | Somebody needs to show Matt what a metapackage is. . . . |
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| 17:25.24 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: well ubuntu-mobile is what the new u-m is then i guess |
| 17:26.11 | Stskeeps | "According to Stu, a netbook with a 10-inch screen is "fine for an hour. It's not something you're going to use day in and day out." |
| 17:26.17 | Stskeeps | i wonder if they're referring to the battery time.. |
| 17:26.23 | GAN800 | qwerty12, you're kidding with that gFTP description, right? <_< |
| 17:26.38 | GAN800 | Your regex is showing. . . . :p |
| 17:27.03 | l7 | Stskeeps: it sounds like they're talking about productivity |
| 17:27.24 | l7 | all some people do is surf the web and webmail though |
| 17:27.28 | GAN800 | Still haven't heard back from mvo about the translations. |
| 17:27.35 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Looks fine to me. |
| 17:27.41 | GAN800 | Needs to finish that up this week. |
| 17:27.59 | GAN800 | qwerty12, yes, well, you're a crazy person. ;) |
| 17:28.15 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: they are still devenloping the "old" ubuntu-mobile, but maybe it is more mobiln related... |
| 17:28.16 | Stskeeps | l7: i could easily imagine situations where simply being able to drag windows from my desktop to my tablet would be useful |
| 17:28.17 | qwerty12 | I have no plans on changing it so... |
| 17:28.32 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: well you have to consider moblin ditched ubuntu as base |
| 17:28.40 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, did I even get an updated Location & Navigation translation from you? |
| 17:28.51 | l7 | Stskeeps: oh yeah i would do most of my surfing on the couch from a tablet for starters |
| 17:29.00 | l7 | or email reading |
| 17:29.05 | Stskeeps | GAN800: well there was the whole discussion about Location :P |
| 17:29.06 | GAN800 | qwerty12, would you accept a patch? :P |
| 17:29.25 | qwerty12 | Maybe. :P |
| 17:29.30 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, RST38h's solution was reasonable. |
| 17:29.47 | Stskeeps | which was what again? |
| 17:29.51 | qwerty12 | The long description was from debian actually, I never changed that |
| 17:29.55 | GAN800 | position? |
| 17:29.57 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:30.47 | GAN800 | qwerty12, why do you need to tell people it's a GTK application in the pretty name? |
| 17:30.51 | Stskeeps | asks away |
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| 17:31.40 | qwerty12 | GAN800, because there is also the gftp-common & gftp-text packages. I don't want people to get confused (Not much chance, I know...) |
| 17:32.09 | GAN800 | Should be zero chance if the others aren't in user/ :P |
| 17:32.57 | GAN800 | konttori_, ping? |
| 17:35.21 | GAN800 | I wonder if integration@maemo.org actually points anywhere |
| 17:35.36 | GAN800 | It should really be a nokia.com address. |
| 17:36.17 | qwerty12 | GAN800, maemo integration release the source to their stuff :P |
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| 17:37.45 | GAN800 | Clearly I would know who it is if it were actually a community package |
| 17:38.03 | GAN800 | since I don't, it's clearly not. :P |
| 17:38.19 | GAN800 | and therefore doesn't belong on a community address. |
| 17:38.51 | qwerty12 | :P, I associate nokia with all the closed source evil stuff and Maemo.org with the good stuff :D |
| 17:41.34 | GAN800 | s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g :P |
| 17:41.58 | qwerty12 | Ah, right. So Maemo on its own is capitalised right? :) |
| 17:41.59 | GAN800 | Don't need Nokia soiling our good name? ;) |
| 17:42.04 | GAN800 | Right |
| 17:42.08 | qwerty12 | Skeen |
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| 17:54.45 | Stskeeps | http://partiwm.org/browser/README.xpra <- interesting |
| 17:54.55 | Stskeeps | could make some interesting tech demo with that |
| 17:56.13 | Stskeeps | .. ok, it's kinda like vnc instead |
| 17:56.49 | Stskeeps | ah, ok, not |
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| 18:08.37 | lardman | re |
| 18:08.59 | Stskeeps | wb |
| 18:09.34 | lardman | ty |
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| 18:13.53 | RST38h | moo, all |
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| 18:22.17 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5100065/calling-all-wannabe-dr-evils-super-secret-london-tunnel-lair-for-sale <=== Anybody willing to donate $8 million? |
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| 18:32.41 | Ro9u3oR | are there any word processing and spreadsheet apps for the n800? |
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| 18:36.59 | RST38h | Ro-oR: Gnumeric |
| 18:37.13 | RST38h | And Abiword for word processing, when somebody intelligent finally finishes it |
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| 18:38.01 | Ro9u3oR | lol |
| 18:38.12 | Ro9u3oR | thanks ill look into it |
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| 18:38.39 | Ro9u3oR | RST maybe you can help me with this also |
| 18:39.13 | baddu | lardman: hello |
| 18:39.13 | Ro9u3oR | would the WEP be located on the actuall router? for instance my linksys router |
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| 18:51.46 | konttori_ | GAN800: pong |
| 18:54.25 | RST38h | Ro-oR: Last known location of the WEP is in your pants |
| 18:54.35 | RST38h | [translation: invalid question] |
| 18:58.42 | Ro9u3oR | and to think i was dealing with educated linux user, who am i fooling |
| 19:01.02 | Stskeeps | Ro9u3oR: this isn't a support channel though. WEP/WPA/etc settings for your wireless network is configured at your wireless router |
| 19:01.59 | Ro9u3oR | Thanks St.. any support channels you would like to mention? |
| 19:03.06 | Stskeeps | http://www.tabletscene.com/forums/ or http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 19:04.18 | GAN800 | konttori_, you know anything about the Maemo control packages? USBNet, system services, etc. |
| 19:04.21 | drjnut | RST38h, my typical answer is "in your body, somewhere near your back office.... deeper..." |
| 19:04.35 | GAN800 | The maintainer is set to 'integration@maemo.org' |
| 19:05.30 | konttori_ | GAN800: sorry. I assume they are coming from the nokia integration, so probably provided by relevant teams and then the nokia integrators team is providing the packages also to extras. |
| 19:05.34 | konttori_ | Just my guess. |
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| 19:09.41 | disco_stu | GAN800: wich is the best way to use msn with the bult in client in Diablo, rtcomm ? |
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| 19:12.10 | GAN800 | konttori_, I guess I've got to ask X-Fade if that email points anywhere, but Nokia shouldn't be using maemo.org addresses |
| 19:12.52 | GAN800 | disco_stu, add the colabora repo and install the appropriate telepathy addons. |
| 19:13.31 | disco_stu | ack |
| 19:14.06 | RST38h | drjnut: You are wasting words for political correctness sake. Not worth it. |
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| 19:14.50 | drjnut | RST38h, you mean I could use the standard form (IYA)? |
| 19:14.54 | drjnut | ;-) |
| 19:14.58 | disco_stu | GAN800: i think collabora has problems with pidgin |
| 19:15.07 | RST38h | drjnut: Obviously |
| 19:15.31 | RST38h | GAN: Collabora has its own untested version of Pidgin |
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| 19:16.01 | RST38h | GAN: Once you let it install that stuff from Collabora repository, nobody knows what will happen to Pidgin - Collabora guys haven't checked |
| 19:16.03 | GAN800 | RST38h, Pidgin sucks |
| 19:16.14 | RST38h | GAN: Maybe. But it is no reason to break it. |
| 19:16.25 | disco_stu | GAN800: pidgin rulz |
| 19:17.00 | GAN800 | If you're using rtcomm, pidgin functionality isn't important anyway |
| 19:17.17 | RST38h | GAN: Except that Collabora's rtcomm stuff relies on libpurple |
| 19:17.19 | GAN800 | Other than that, there's the rtcomm beta. |
| 19:17.55 | GAN800 | OK, whatever, figure it out amongst yourselves, I'm gonna watch the Princess Bride. |
| 19:17.59 | RST38h | has got 20fps from that MIPS. Isn't it simply miraculous? |
| 19:18.04 | RST38h | Urgh |
| 19:18.07 | drjnut | RST38h, yeah, but sometimes the long form could hit harder than the typical form |
| 19:18.11 | disco_stu | princess bride ? |
| 19:18.15 | disco_stu | wtf |
| 19:18.26 | GAN800 | Never seen it? |
| 19:18.30 | RST38h | drjnut: With the long form, you can get waaay more creative |
| 19:18.40 | GAN800 | I recommend you go educate yourself on IMDb. |
| 19:18.50 | disco_stu | lol |
| 19:18.55 | RST38h | no longer watches new movies, just the old stuff |
| 19:18.55 | drjnut | right |
| 19:19.04 | disco_stu | old stuff |
| 19:19.16 | GAN800 | RST38h, new being 1987? :p |
| 19:19.21 | disco_stu | nice girl |
| 19:19.26 | drjnut | I do "mplayer -fixed-vo -shuffle -loop 0 *.avi" |
| 19:19.28 | RST38h | has tried The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen last time and it sucked. |
| 19:19.44 | RST38h | GAN: Nah, I am not THAT picky |
| 19:20.04 | drjnut | ... especially within my porn dir |
| 19:20.10 | RST38h | GAN: Last good American one was probably Mars Attacks |
| 19:20.17 | GAN800 | Pfft |
| 19:20.23 | RST38h | And Wag The Dog, if you like documentaries =) |
| 19:20.25 | GAN800 | The Dark Knight |
| 19:20.36 | RST38h | Pure SFX - nothing to watch |
| 19:20.57 | GAN800 | There's very light cgi in that movie |
| 19:21.12 | GAN800 | Basically the stupid batcycle is the only cgi |
| 19:21.16 | RST38h | Still, does not add it any storyline :( |
| 19:21.28 | GAN800 | Everything else is either models or real |
| 19:21.33 | RST38h | Ok, wait, I enjoyed Firefly the series |
| 19:21.40 | GAN800 | Did you see it? :rolleyes: |
| 19:22.04 | RST38h | Dark Knight? Downloaded it, watched for 15 minutes, fell asleep |
| 19:22.13 | GAN800 | Pfft |
| 19:22.35 | GAN800 | notes not to bother discussing movied with RST38h |
| 19:22.51 | GAN800 | s/movied/movies/ |
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| 19:24.41 | RST38h | is a boring old fart, correct. |
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| 19:25.18 | woglinde | hehe |
| 19:25.22 | Stskeeps | GAN800: "posisjon" |
| 19:25.26 | woglinde | I watching the transporter right now |
| 19:25.30 | RST38h | (reads books, ignores special effects) |
| 19:25.32 | Stskeeps | (position) |
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| 19:26.27 | GAN800 | logs into the wiki |
| 19:27.41 | GAN800 | Ehehe http://wiki.maemo.org/Git_For_Garage |
| 19:28.12 | woglinde | gan800 hehe |
| 19:28.32 | woglinde | gan800 hm there is now git plugin for gforge right now |
| 19:28.36 | woglinde | no |
| 19:28.41 | woglinde | so no git for garage |
| 19:30.24 | GAN800 | woglinde, read the page. |
| 19:30.29 | woglinde | yeah |
| 19:30.32 | woglinde | I saw the plan |
| 19:30.35 | woglinde | we will see |
| 19:32.10 | oli | when would skype support the built-in camera in n800? ;) |
| 19:32.23 | woglinde | oli lol |
| 19:32.26 | woglinde | ask skype |
| 19:32.36 | GAN800 | oli, harass Skype about it. |
| 19:33.22 | GAN800 | woglinde, what do you mean 'we will see'? it's ferenc working on it, not some random community spare-time deal. |
| 19:33.56 | woglinde | gan yeah |
| 19:34.10 | woglinde | but that can fail too |
| 19:34.26 | oli | none of my friends are using gizmo/msn ;( |
| 19:34.57 | woglinde | I wouldnt use it either |
| 19:35.11 | GAN800 | Meh, he knows what he's doing. |
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| 19:54.58 | woglinde | he qerty |
| 19:56.37 | qwerty12_N800 | hi woglinde |
| 20:07.04 | Mousey | hi #maemo |
| 20:07.17 | woglinde | hi mousey |
| 20:07.19 | Mousey | anyone know where i can get a wallpaper rotater for my n810? |
| 20:09.58 | lcuk | cant you just grab your n8x0 and move it round? |
| 20:10.26 | sp3000 | that's what I was thinking |
| 20:10.34 | sp3000 | but then I realized it's rotate as in change |
| 20:10.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Mousey, there's a bug about that on the bugzilla... |
| 20:11.00 | oli | hm, my n800 isn't flipping image when i turn camera, is it bad? |
| 20:11.04 | sp3000 | which means, enable the camera and then move the device about :P |
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| 20:11.41 | GAN800 | ~ping |
| 20:11.41 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:11.42 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 20:12.04 | slonopotamus | my camera doesn't popup video call dialog |
| 20:12.10 | slonopotamus | it did before |
| 20:12.27 | oli | 's cam behaves the same |
| 20:12.57 | lopz | hola |
| 20:13.23 | slonopotamus | in chinook it 100% did that. and annoyed me when i wanted just to record some video |
| 20:13.41 | slonopotamus | something broke? |
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| 20:15.40 | curious | hello. it might be offtopic question... is there any option to expand RAM in nokia n800/n810 ? |
| 20:16.06 | slonopotamus | curious, i think no here too ;) |
| 20:16.31 | Stskeeps | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad |
| 20:16.36 | oli | slonopotamus: strange thing with this cam ;) |
| 20:16.39 | Stskeeps | lcuk: fell over this in an article i was reading |
| 20:17.11 | Stskeeps | reminded me of liqbase :P |
| 20:17.18 | slonopotamus | oli, yep. don't know when this started (i use it very rarely) |
| 20:17.24 | lcuk | im grinnin from ear to ear |
| 20:17.55 | GAN800 | curious, serious question? :P |
| 20:17.59 | oli | me too, I run diablo since I've bought n800 and I remember it worked : P |
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| 20:19.05 | Mousey | i just meant a wallpaper changer, i guess rotater was a bad choice of words |
| 20:19.16 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 20:19.16 | lcuk | ooooooooh If the user changed the master drawing, all the instances would change as well. |
| 20:19.27 | qwerty12_N800 | curious, dd if=/media/mmc2/.swap of=/dev/zero bs=9999999999 ; mkswap /media/mmc2/.swap ; swapon /media/mmc2/.swap :P |
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| 20:19.48 | slonopotamus | swapon |
| 20:19.56 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 20:20.04 | ShadowJK | qwerty12_N800, those are kinda reversed |
| 20:20.08 | sp3000 | kinda |
| 20:20.11 | ShadowJK | if and of |
| 20:20.25 | qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK, hehe, i don't use dd much :) |
| 20:20.26 | slonopotamus | funny thing for non-it people, i guess |
| 20:20.27 | ShadowJK | and maybe you don't want the entire media filled... |
| 20:20.39 | lcuk | holy fuck |
| 20:20.41 | GAN800 | Mousey, http://interfacelift.com/ |
| 20:21.02 | ShadowJK | dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/.swap bs=1M count=256 ; mkswap /media/mmc2/.swap ; swapon /media/mmc2/.swap |
| 20:21.02 | Mousey | GAN800, they have a wallpaper changing program for n810? |
| 20:21.08 | qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK, oh, the bs argument was intentional |
| 20:21.41 | qwerty12_N800 | not because i'm an evil bastard but because i was j/kin |
| 20:21.44 | GAN800 | lol . . . |
| 20:21.59 | slonopotamus | can i borrow your swapon? :) hehe |
| 20:22.14 | lcuk | Stskeeps, did you watch the video? |
| 20:22.23 | lcuk | im in awe |
| 20:22.29 | qwerty12_N800 | finally gets the swapon joke >.< |
| 20:22.40 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 20:23.03 | Stskeeps | lcuk: nop |
| 20:23.29 | lcuk | he had to build the display himself :) |
| 20:23.33 | slonopotamus | anyway. curious wanted ram |
| 20:23.50 | lcuk | ive got a silly grin on my face |
| 20:23.59 | ShadowJK | so like |
| 20:24.07 | ShadowJK | could you solder more ram ontop of the cpu? |
| 20:24.26 | slonopotamus | solder - ? |
| 20:24.57 | lcuk | in-credible |
| 20:26.37 | GAN800 | ShadowJK, it's not a PoP in the N8x0 |
| 20:26.39 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i have to write about that, its given me goosebumps |
| 20:26.47 | ShadowJK | GAN800, oh :( |
| 20:27.10 | ShadowJK | lcuk, what video are you talking about |
| 20:27.22 | GAN800 | You might be able to source bigger chips to replace the ones on the board |
| 20:27.35 | lcuk | on the sketchpad page theres a picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad underneath the picture it says video |
| 20:27.45 | GAN800 | But, the short answer is: no, you can't upgrade the RAM. |
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| 20:27.59 | lcuk | the sketchpad video starts about 3 minutes in |
| 20:28.19 | lcuk | its some 80s college guy talking about it |
| 20:30.31 | Stskeeps | lcuk: well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Sutherland |
| 20:30.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:31.46 | sp3000 | hm, that audio is a bit odd |
| 20:31.52 | sp3000 | wonders if a channel is inverted |
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| 20:36.20 | lcuk | heh own handwriting fonts :D |
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| 20:37.54 | Stskeeps | lcuk: hope it might serve as some inspiration |
| 20:38.16 | lcuk | heh, i tihnk im evolving at about 10 years a month |
| 20:38.31 | lcuk | by next year i should be in the 23rd century |
| 20:39.14 | ^Tux^ | if I keep eating these dominos oven baked sandwiches and drinking beer my butt's gonna be in the 23rd century in ~30m |
| 20:40.08 | ShadowJK | Scary |
| 20:40.18 | ^Tux^ | pj33r my gas, jk |
| 20:40.20 | ^Tux^ | ;( |
| 20:40.30 | ^Tux^ | you're just everywhere, aren't you? |
| 20:40.50 | Stskeeps | ^Tux^: get a tablet will you, as well as me and JK :P |
| 20:41.09 | ^Tux^ | too lazy |
| 20:41.12 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:41.14 | ^Tux^ | I have enough projects that arent complete |
| 20:41.18 | ^Tux^ | I cant be assed with another |
| 20:41.42 | ShadowJK | Sun sent you any fun gear lately? |
| 20:41.54 | ^Tux^ | no, havent asked for any more |
| 20:42.11 | ^Tux^ | I figured they'd get pissed.. "this asshole keeps trying shit and doesnt buy" |
| 20:42.11 | ^Tux^ | haha |
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| 20:45.04 | lcuk | i can has time machine? |
| 20:45.36 | ^Tux^ | no.. you were pushing your luck with the cheeseburger. |
| 20:45.59 | lcuk | damn |
| 20:46.09 | Stskeeps | (cheese and bacon) |
| 20:46.50 | lcuk | im gonna stop and just port this stuff ;) |
| 20:47.46 | lcuk | the first one (sketchpad) needed a machine so large it had its own building! |
| 20:47.52 | Stskeeps | hehe, sketchpad from a 30-40 year old piece of software? ;) |
| 20:48.24 | lcuk | its a shame, the guy said its not been seen since - it wasnt programmed so much as built |
| 20:48.40 | lcuk | the last machine in the US which needed its own roof! |
| 20:48.52 | lcuk | not exactly pocketable |
| 20:49.00 | ShadowJK | So like, does the camera actually work for anyone? I get scary looking page allocation failures from kernel in dmesg :) |
| 20:49.12 | ^Tux^ | operator error ;( |
| 20:49.19 | ShadowJK | As if the driver was attempting to allocate a huge contigous area of physical ram |
| 20:49.26 | lcuk | ShadowJK, liqbase uses the camera extensively |
| 20:50.11 | lcuk | grrrr Stskeeps you have put me off now lol |
| 20:50.21 | Stskeeps | lcuk: apologies, inspiration is a nasty thing :P |
| 20:50.24 | ShadowJK | ok, let's try. With swap and all, there's >300M ram free |
| 20:51.03 | ShadowJK | [245177.835937] mplayer: page allocation failure. order:7, mode:0xd1 |
| 20:51.12 | lcuk | its not so much inspiration but its extremely interesting - especially how much hasnt been carried through which should work intuitively |
| 20:51.19 | ShadowJK | (I tested mplayer because I can limit it to one frame so that it doesn't bring down the system) |
| 20:51.24 | ShadowJK | order 7 is.... huge? |
| 20:53.08 | ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/m2b502a6a |
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| 20:59.56 | RST38h | moo, lcuk |
| 21:02.27 | lcuk | ello rstr |
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| 21:10.11 | ShadowJK | hm, camera works right after fresh reboot |
| 21:10.17 | curious | thanx |
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| 21:10.38 | curious | no, swap is not enough. i am considering getting n800, but amount of ram is quite scary |
| 21:11.02 | GAN800 | curious, it's a mobile device, not a laptop. |
| 21:11.31 | curious | well, yes, but 128M ? come on |
| 21:11.50 | curious | i expected 810 having bit more, but seems nope |
| 21:12.00 | GAN800 | :/ |
| 21:12.09 | andrewfblack | never had any problem with only 128m ram and I run multiple things at one time |
| 21:12.23 | GAN800 | Name me some mobile devices from 2007 that have more. . . . |
| 21:12.40 | GAN800 | I'll answer that one for you: there really aren't any. |
| 21:12.54 | Stskeeps | curious: when i use my tablet, even for hardcore stuff, i usually have memory free |
| 21:13.08 | GAN800 | It's top-of-the-line for its day |
| 21:13.24 | Stskeeps | i mean, 256m would be nice, but not a requirement. |
| 21:13.35 | curious | yes, i understand, especially ram is quite expensive thing, altrough sometimes there is just free place on board so user can expand |
| 21:13.37 | Stskeeps | curious: try out a n800 somewhere first |
| 21:13.46 | Stskeeps | or look at demos of it |
| 21:13.57 | Stskeeps | i mean, an ipaq had 16mb back in its day.. |
| 21:14.03 | ^Tux^ | ipaq ;( |
| 21:14.08 | curious | ye, generally it is very cool device, one of first serious things |
| 21:14.19 | ShadowJK | constantly runs out of ram |
| 21:14.23 | Stskeeps | and this thing is so bloody small, i wouldn't know where to put a insertable ram bloc |
| 21:14.26 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:14.31 | ^Tux^ | JK: you've bastardized shit? |
| 21:14.32 | ^Tux^ | :P |
| 21:14.37 | Stskeeps | (except for mmcs) |
| 21:14.38 | ShadowJK | ^Tux^, not at all |
| 21:14.47 | GAN800 | andrewfblack, in the $380 range |
| 21:15.08 | ^Tux^ | ShadowJK: I blame Sts |
| 21:15.09 | curious | well, i would not expect insertable ram expansion, more like just 256M versions or ablity to re-solder chips |
| 21:15.09 | ^Tux^ | :P |
| 21:15.17 | curious | indeed size of n800 is impressive |
| 21:15.33 | curious | one of reasons i consider getting one :) |
| 21:15.38 | andrewfblack | GAN800 What? |
| 21:15.49 | GAN800 | Pandora |
| 21:15.57 | andrewfblack | ohh thanks |
| 21:15.58 | curious | ok, thanx for help |
| 21:16.18 | Stskeeps | GAN800: saw a (obviously shit) shop sell n810 for 1300 usd today. heh |
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| 21:16.32 | andrewfblack | I figured it would be going up and up in price since they cna't seem to release it not that I'm buying on anyways |
| 21:16.33 | GAN800 | lol |
| 21:17.04 | Stskeeps | i find it nice getting advertisements with nokia tablets in them, though |
| 21:17.07 | Stskeeps | in my mailbox |
| 21:17.26 | ^Tux^ | 1300? wtf |
| 21:17.30 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:17.43 | BULLE | i manage to run low on ram while browsing some very big news webbapges |
| 21:17.45 | ^Tux^ | that sucker better whipe my ass for 1300 |
| 21:17.52 | Stskeeps | i browsed the local price comparison and i found it for 390$ |
| 21:18.04 | ^Tux^ | they're all over ebay here for like |
| 21:18.05 | ^Tux^ | 200 |
| 21:18.06 | Stskeeps | so it was a ripoff shop by some loner guy :P |
| 21:18.10 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:18.14 | Stskeeps | i choked a bit when i saw the price |
| 21:18.21 | ^Tux^ | NO LUBE. |
| 21:18.45 | BULLE | there is always time for lube! |
| 21:19.18 | ^Tux^ | not when you buy a tablet for 1300 |
| 21:21.04 | lardman | ^Tux^: what that whip or wipe? ;) |
| 21:21.19 | lardman | s/what/was |
| 21:21.37 | ^Tux^ | whipe ;P |
| 21:21.59 | lardman | simultaneous I guess :) |
| 21:22.01 | qwerty12_N800 | has big wheels on his whip |
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| 22:08.36 | GAN800 | chuckles at the Thanks. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=245711&postcount=90 |
| 22:09.33 | qwerty12_N800 | hits the thanks button :p |
| 22:09.59 | GAN800 | generates a hit list. ;) |
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| 22:23.04 | ^Tux^ | yawns |
| 22:24.26 | bef0rd | pwns |
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| 22:28.36 | GAN800 | lcuk, it doesn't have anything to do with sources. |
| 22:28.44 | lcuk | of course it does |
| 22:28.51 | lcuk | if its open we can fix things ourselves |
| 22:29.16 | GAN800 | They don't care whether the fix is available for them to use or not, only whether Nokia ships an official Fremantle image for OMAP2 |
| 22:29.16 | lcuk | there is a good chance that the bugs noticed are gonna be in incompatible packages |
| 22:29.37 | GAN800 | No, really, that discussion isn't related to sources. |
| 22:29.51 | lcuk | if they want to be opensource they will not juist kill an actively used code branch without doing something about it |
| 22:29.53 | GAN800 | Most of these bugs have been resolved on open source stuff |
| 22:30.02 | lcuk | then whats the problem? |
| 22:30.06 | lcuk | its available |
| 22:30.14 | lcuk | isnt it? |
| 22:30.30 | GAN800 | While source may be relevant to the larger picture, it isn't to that discussion. |
| 22:30.39 | GAN800 | It's that people are stupid |
| 22:31.21 | GAN800 | They don't seem to realize that Fremantle's openness really enables a community backport |
| 22:31.37 | GAN800 | They only seem to be concerned with FUD |
| 22:32.22 | lcuk | which os have you got in your 770 |
| 22:32.51 | Stskeeps | lcuk, the main issue is the need for community editions which actually remix the newer packages into the mix |
| 22:33.02 | lcuk | yes sts |
| 22:33.24 | lcuk | and one of those ingredients is simple fixes to the existing software |
| 22:33.34 | lcuk | not waiting for a whole os to be backported |
| 22:34.03 | lcuk | lots of people are happy with their current system |
| 22:34.07 | Stskeeps | most bugs can be fixed by simply compiling the new packages |
| 22:34.33 | lcuk | hopefully |
| 22:34.36 | GAN800 | OS2008HE |
| 22:34.49 | Stskeeps | and the mechanism for delivering those sanely doesn't exist yet |
| 22:35.05 | lcuk | GAN800, i hear lots of folks in here who try it as primary and have dropped back |
| 22:35.29 | lcuk | Stskeeps, technically svn would work |
| 22:35.34 | Stskeeps | (should community take over SSU maintaince? |
| 22:36.00 | lcuk | shouldnt owner simply be able to choose ssu server? |
| 22:36.07 | lcuk | nokia|maemo |
| 22:36.41 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i really dont see why not, its not much different to extras |
| 22:36.45 | lcuk | infact itsthe same isnt it |
| 22:36.51 | lcuk | i get update reports from extras |
| 22:37.01 | Stskeeps | or atleast ability to push updates to be included in ssus |
| 22:37.08 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, ssu servers are just plain repo with h-a-m having instructions to treat it as an software update repo |
| 22:37.45 | lcuk | yeah qwerty |
| 22:38.11 | qwerty12_N800 | actually, people even apt-get upgrade instead of using h-a-m to upgrade to an new ssu |
| 22:38.40 | Stskeeps | GAN800: worth considering, - maemo community can contribute updated packages for ssu? |
| 22:38.59 | Stskeeps | mechanism for this |
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| 22:39.27 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, osv-c |
| 22:39.40 | GAN800 | We should just roll our own if we're going thaat route. |
| 22:40.04 | lcuk | its not unreasonable - ive heard about oss keeping old versions alive in all the camps over the years, why we dont consider it here is strange. at least iin the short term it would relieve anxiety from people |
| 22:41.01 | GAN800 | lcuk, to each his own |
| 22:41.09 | GAN800 | I like OS2008HE |
| 22:41.13 | Stskeeps | GAN800: well also a way for nokia to gain from community |
| 22:41.28 | lcuk | gan, people buy a tool, they invest time in making sure it works for them and sometimes simply dont want to change |
| 22:41.41 | Stskeeps | and keeping older devices going |
| 22:41.45 | GAN800 | lcuk, that's fine. |
| 22:42.08 | lcuk | if fremantle on device is stable in 12 months they might change |
| 22:42.08 | Stskeeps | k, sleep time |
| 22:42.15 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, there's no need to involve Nokia beyond perhaps enlisting them for additional support |
| 22:42.21 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:42.34 | GAN800 | But if we're pushing a community edition, best to go all the way. |
| 22:42.46 | lcuk | GAN800, im simply thinking it would ease tension :) |
| 22:42.49 | GAN800 | No need to piggyback on Nokia's setup. |
| 22:43.16 | GAN800 | lcuk, you're tossing irrelevant things into the mix. :P |
| 22:43.45 | lcuk | yeah, but theres middle ground in all camps - im really looking forward to playing with the new devices |
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| 23:26.42 | killfill | hi! |
| 23:26.50 | killfill | how do i control the volume from console? |
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| 23:31.32 | killfill | or how do i scan bluetooth devicves from console?... |
| 23:31.50 | killfill | hcitool doesnt exist.. :S |
| 23:36.32 | BabelO | killfill: sdptool browse or inquire |
| 23:36.55 | BabelO | sdptool search |
| 23:38.33 | killfill | BabelO, all i have is dp-query |
| 23:38.33 | killfill | sdp-query |
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| 23:38.46 | BabelO | killfill: so you miss package |
| 23:39.11 | BabelO | did you try hcitool inq |
| 23:39.30 | BabelO | you need the bluez backage |
| 23:39.34 | BabelO | or blueztools |
| 23:39.35 | killfill | hcitool doesnt exist either.. :S |
| 23:39.57 | killfill | apt-cache search blueztools |
| 23:40.02 | killfill | doesnt give output.. :S |
| 23:40.10 | woglinde | bluze-utils |
| 23:40.11 | killfill | oh.. just fond this: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#kbdd |
| 23:40.52 | killfill | it doesnt contain any binary.. :S |
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| 23:47.04 | killfill | guys.. and how do i set the volume? |
| 23:47.21 | killfill | i wish to i.e. mute it.. or set it to 90% etc. |
| 23:47.23 | killfill | from console |
| 23:50.08 | l7 | hrm, i wish i knew |
| 23:50.24 | l7 | maybe you can edit something /proc |
| 23:50.26 | Mousey | aumix? alsamixer? |
| 23:50.32 | l7 | but don't take my word for it |
| 23:52.16 | GuySoft | hey, when debian lenny comes out. would mamo move the lenny codebase? |
| 23:52.41 | GAN800 | GuySoft, Fremantle is upgrading many libraries |
| 23:53.01 | GAN800 | It's not dependent on Debian cycles, though. |
| 23:53.21 | GuySoft | Fremantle? |
| 23:53.56 | Mousey | huh? |
| 23:53.57 | GuySoft | GAN800, it just seemed logical to me since now its part etch part lenny.. and when lenny comes out they will support the armel architecture.. |
| 23:54.07 | GAN800 | GuySoft, check the wikipedia article on Maemo, but it's the next release. |
| 23:54.13 | Mousey | why aren't you running stable and testing and unstable already tho? |
| 23:54.14 | GAN800 | ~maemo |
| 23:54.15 | infobot | somebody said maemo was a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 23:54.31 | Mousey | why wait for releases, i didn't think that's how debian worked, and it certainly seems that way since they NEVER release |
| 23:55.48 | GuySoft | i am just annoyed i carn't cross-compile anything because the packages carnt be moved from debian to maemo.. and it seems logical since its really simular |
