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| 00:33.30 | ro9u3oR | how do you launch downloaded apps on the n800 running os2008 |
| 00:33.53 | Navi | go to the meny |
| 00:33.56 | Navi | menu* |
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| 00:35.10 | ro9u3oR | there not listed in the menu |
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| 00:37.43 | johnx | what did you download? and where did you download it to? and where did you download it from? |
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| 00:39.16 | Navi | johnx: luls, you asked about gc-linux in #wiili |
| 00:39.42 | johnx | Navi, the sf project for the linux kernel for the wii is called gc-linux :) |
| 00:40.15 | Navi | johnx: Yes, and that's the only project fer Linux on the Wii, at the moment |
| 00:40.22 | Navi | but that what gets me is the irony |
| 00:40.25 | johnx | or was it because #wiili is more for the wiimote stuff than the linux-on-wii stuff? |
| 00:40.43 | johnx | ah |
| 00:40.43 | Navi | That was the first Wii-linux-related thing in #wiili for months |
| 00:40.50 | Ro9u3oR | how can i run down loaded apps |
| 00:40.50 | johnx | ahaha |
| 00:41.04 | johnx | Ro9u3oR, <johnx> what did you download? and where did you download it to? and where did you download it from? |
| 00:41.20 | Navi | If you want answers, you should visit gc-linux's channel on efnet |
| 00:41.36 | Navi | WiiLi is just there for the owner to make ad money |
| 00:41.36 | johnx | gah, more IRC channels :/ |
| 00:42.02 | johnx | and why are you there? O_o |
| 00:42.09 | Navi | To tell people the truth |
| 00:42.21 | Navi | and troll |
| 00:42.24 | Navi | mostly trolling |
| 00:42.32 | johnx | BTW, #gc-linux is a channel with just me :) I guess that's a pretty good answer |
| 00:42.46 | johnx | time to shoehorn a dev env onto my wii once other people stop using it :P |
| 00:43.07 | Navi | sorry, #gc-linux on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:43.35 | Navi | bluetooth networking should be as straightforward on the wii as it is on a normal Linux desktop |
| 00:43.56 | johnx | except I'm missing bnep.ko |
| 00:45.05 | Navi | which means, it:P |
| 00:45.07 | Navi | :P |
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| 01:50.01 | poppabear | is there an irc app for os2008 yet ? |
| 01:50.27 | poppabear | irc app - irc client whatever you want to call it :P |
| 01:51.47 | johnx | xchat and irssi are available |
| 01:51.51 | johnx | xchat is in extras |
| 01:52.11 | johnx | and xchat has been out for quite a while :) |
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| 01:54.56 | poppabear | i don't have the tablet yet ... was thinking of buying it but an important feature i would need is the ability to chat via irc |
| 01:55.10 | GAN800 | xchat |
| 01:55.13 | johnx | well, it's definitely there :) |
| 01:55.32 | johnx | xchat, irssi, pidgin, and even the built in chat client can kind of do it |
| 01:55.49 | poppabear | kool |
| 01:56.10 | poppabear | is the N810 a good device for the price ? |
| 01:56.27 | johnx | depends on what you want to do, but overall yes |
| 01:56.35 | johnx | I have an N800 though :) |
| 01:58.34 | poppabear | well, i mean my main concern is the fact that i would be mainly using it at work but they don't have wifi in the area so i'm not sure if i could connect to the internet without wifi or anything ..... any suggestions as far as that goes |
| 01:59.14 | johnx | you could use bluetooth to tether it to a cell phone |
| 01:59.51 | johnx | in that case you would need a phone that has bluetooth and a data plan for it |
| 02:00.04 | poppabear | i have the sidekick slide from t-mobile that has internet and bluetooth so that might just work |
| 02:01.19 | johnx | out of curiosity, is there an IRC app for the sidekick? |
| 02:03.22 | johnx | you do need to make sure that your sidekick supports "Bluetooth DUN (dial up networking)" or "Bluetooth PAN (Personal Area Network)" |
| 02:05.01 | poppabear | not sure i will have to check on that but as far as IRC on the sidekick i was able to develop a client to work on it, however it was a qwik development and could use some enhancements :P |
| 02:06.35 | poppabear | when its debugged and running a little faster and more effeciant then i will submit it to Danger and see if they approve it as part of there application list, but i haven't really messed with it in some time |
| 02:07.47 | johnx | from a quick search it looks like the sidekick side doesn't support those bluetooth profiles |
| 02:08.02 | poppabear | with the Danger OS there isn't much you can do with it, all applications are developed under the Java Platform |
| 02:08.48 | poppabear | my strong development skills are in shel based OS's and Windows based OS's |
| 02:09.06 | johnx | yeah, that closed OS always turned me off the sidekick |
| 02:09.09 | poppabear | i'm not real strong in Java "yet" |
| 02:09.16 | johnx | the hardware looked really nice though |
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| 02:09.47 | poppabear | its ok ..... i'm not a big fan of it myself but hell it was free to me :P |
| 02:11.35 | poppabear | it would be awsome if the Nokia devices could have a internet service you could signup with and be connected constantly ...... without having to be tied into a cell phone provider |
| 02:12.02 | johnx | well there is a wimax version |
| 02:12.15 | poppabear | much more expensive ? |
| 02:12.22 | johnx | of course :) |
| 02:12.26 | poppabear | heh |
| 02:12.27 | johnx | and the next one will have a builtin 3G modem |
| 02:12.50 | johnx | the wimax version is $450, but most places don't have wimax yet |
| 02:12.52 | poppabear | 3g is soooo overloaded though |
| 02:13.13 | poppabear | wimax is in Baltimore only isn't it |
| 02:13.23 | johnx | yeah, and DC is in trials |
| 02:13.26 | johnx | IIRC |
| 02:13.38 | johnx | they'll be more places later of course |
| 02:13.43 | poppabear | yea |
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| 02:15.24 | poppabear | se thats really the only thing right now stopping me from "checking out" :P |
| 02:16.02 | poppabear | an internet tablet is useless without internet :P |
| 02:16.09 | johnx | actually, I tend to use mine offline quite a bit |
| 02:16.19 | johnx | reading RSS feeds, reading books, taking notes, etc |
| 02:16.21 | GAN800 | Hardly |
| 02:16.23 | poppabear | my main use would eb online tho |
| 02:16.37 | GAN800 | Music, movies, podcasts, ebooks, games, emulators. |
| 02:16.46 | johnx | yeah, and if you have no inet access at all with it, it's a pain to install apps |
| 02:16.53 | poppabear | i agree with that, but useless to me knowing what i need it for |
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| 02:18.09 | poppabear | does it have a Terminal that you can use to create shell scripts and be able to run them ect ...... ? |
| 02:19.32 | johnx | of course |
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| 02:20.47 | poppabear | is it like a full functional (without restrictions) Linux OS ? |
| 02:21.00 | johnx | well it's fully open, if that's what you mean |
| 02:21.06 | GAN800 | Basically |
| 02:21.10 | johnx | it has busybox instead of coreutils/bsdutils/bash |
| 02:21.29 | poppabear | it doesn't have bash shell ? |
| 02:21.42 | johnx | you can install it as a user shell if you need it |
| 02:22.06 | johnx | but the main shell used is ash |
| 02:22.10 | poppabear | i don't alot of my shell scripting in Bash |
| 02:22.18 | poppabear | i do " |
| 02:22.30 | johnx | if you stay sh compatible you're fine, if you need bash, install it |
| 02:22.41 | poppabear | kool |
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| 02:29.38 | joyious | lcuk: Hi |
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| 03:13.10 | poppabear | how do you guys feel about Palm Powered devices ? |
| 03:13.25 | johnx | I really like them for PIM |
| 03:13.30 | johnx | awful for web browsing |
| 03:13.55 | johnx | and the OS is pretty old and creaky. Ask anyone how fun it is to program for :) |
| 03:15.27 | johnx | for a phone, might actually be pretty nice |
| 03:17.24 | Macer | ahhhhhh... good sex :) |
| 03:17.33 | Macer | goes to take a shower.. smoke a cigarette.. eat some food... and sleep |
| 03:17.39 | Macer | talk about a perfect day |
| 03:17.41 | poppabear | was thinking something like this http://www.buy.com/prod/hp-ipaq-211-enterprise-handheld-marvell-pxa310-624mhz-128mb-256mb-rom/q/loc/101/205835522.html |
| 03:18.22 | johnx | Macer, pretty funny how you've been on IRC the whole time ... |
| 03:19.06 | johnx | poppabear, you won't find many people here who have something nice to say about winmo :) |
| 03:19.42 | poppabear | really ... :P |
| 03:26.41 | ShadowJK | I bet it's less frustrating to develop for than symbian |
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| 03:37.44 | poppabear | night guys |
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| 03:48.18 | Ro9u3oR | hey, i installed usbcontrol to my n800 and cant locate the program now on the device |
| 03:48.32 | johnx | it's in the extras menu :) |
| 03:49.03 | Ro9u3oR | not there, could it be a bad install |
| 03:49.47 | johnx | does it show up as installed in application manager |
| 03:49.52 | johnx | ? |
| 03:50.01 | Ro9u3oR | no |
| 03:50.12 | johnx | how did you install it? |
| 03:50.49 | Ro9u3oR | downloaded it from maemo org onto my sd |
| 03:51.05 | johnx | then you installed it with application manager? |
| 03:52.59 | Ro9u3oR | yes |
| 03:53.08 | johnx | and the install went fine? |
| 03:53.30 | Ro9u3oR | i thought so |
| 03:55.45 | johnx | try installing directly from application manager. go to available applications and just select usbcontrol from that list |
| 03:56.48 | Ro9u3oR | when i went thru app installl there werent to many apps |
| 03:57.16 | johnx | add this first: |
| 03:57.17 | johnx | ~extras |
| 03:57.18 | infobot | i guess extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 03:57.26 | johnx | just add extras for now, not extras-devel |
| 03:57.40 | Ro9u3oR | just extras |
| 03:57.57 | johnx | right |
| 03:58.18 | johnx | so basically just open that page in the browser on your tablet and click on the link on that page :) |
| 03:58.45 | Ro9u3oR | ill give it a shot |
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| 04:45.22 | Ro9u3oR | whats the link o download extras for n800 os2008 |
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| 05:15.01 | johnx | ~extras |
| 05:15.02 | infobot | [extras] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 05:15.09 | johnx | ah, nm |
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| 06:12.36 | kulve | app.mgr has an option called "Ignore packages from wrong domain". What's a "wrong domain"? |
| 06:13.45 | AStorm | hello |
| 06:14.03 | AStorm | any idea how to nicely chain immc with the / flash? |
| 06:14.28 | AStorm | because installing system on a card with n810 is a no-no |
| 06:14.42 | AStorm | I could install on immc though... |
| 06:15.05 | AStorm | just ran out of space |
| 06:15.24 | AStorm | trying to install fennec... too many apps I guess, esp. qt4 |
| 06:17.11 | kulve | copy the whole maemo rootfs to mmc? |
| 06:17.35 | kulve | or why is it a "no-no"? |
| 06:18.04 | AStorm | immc is ok |
| 06:18.08 | AStorm | emmc is not |
| 06:18.23 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 06:18.28 | kulve | with "e" you mean external? |
| 06:18.33 | AStorm | though immc can't use jffs2 |
| 06:18.33 | kulve | why isn't it ok? |
| 06:18.35 | AStorm | yes |
| 06:18.44 | AStorm | because I like to swap cards |
| 06:18.52 | kulve | oh, that's a good reason :) |
| 06:19.05 | kulve | I though you meant there's some technical issue.. |
| 06:19.15 | AStorm | nah |
| 06:19.35 | AStorm | so, the trick is that compression gives a lot on mmc |
| 06:19.43 | AStorm | and I have no compressed fs on radar |
| 06:20.06 | AStorm | (see, it's only 5 Mbit) |
| 06:20.16 | johnx | "wrong domain" is probably referring to upgrades the come from a different repo than the original package |
| 06:21.03 | kulve | johnx: I uploaded the package to the extras-devel and I'm now trying to install it from there. Before that I removed the old version from command line with dpkg.. |
| 06:21.33 | johnx | I really don't know |
| 06:21.37 | johnx | app mgr is ... special |
| 06:21.40 | kulve | yeah.. |
| 06:21.59 | kulve | with apt-get it would get installed just fine. And the "Section" is user/multimedia |
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| 06:26.13 | lopz | nigth |
| 06:26.50 | AStorm | hmm, nobody can recommend a nice compressed fs for mmc? |
| 06:27.09 | AStorm | (for uncompressed, I can just grab btrfs) |
| 06:29.19 | Stskeeps | morn johnx |
| 06:29.34 | AStorm | reiser4 is out (is buggy, loses files, etc) |
| 06:30.03 | Stskeeps | like its author |
| 06:30.45 | johnx | hey Stskeeps :) |
| 06:30.56 | AStorm | Hans is out? guess i'm old news |
| 06:31.31 | Stskeeps | true, not out:P |
| 06:31.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw the mer blueprint appendixes? |
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| 06:35.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: also quims post was a lot more interesting - alpha sdk for platform developers |
| 06:36.11 | Stskeeps | not power/general users |
| 06:36.32 | Stskeeps | and 100% oss |
| 06:37.19 | johnx | yeah, but I'm more worried about n8x0 / armv5 / anything without 3d compatibility now |
| 06:37.40 | Stskeeps | yeah obviously |
| 06:38.20 | Stskeeps | but then again there were religious 770 users on the inside (HE) |
| 06:39.53 | johnx | I guess I pinned too many of my hopes on maemo :/ |
| 06:41.27 | Stskeeps | next clutter theory - wm, they were dubious about full screen switches |
| 06:41.52 | AStorm | well |
| 06:42.07 | AStorm | indeed, ui is cluttered |
| 06:42.16 | AStorm | wasteful |
| 06:42.41 | AStorm | instead, give us a main menu button |
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| 06:42.43 | AStorm | :> |
| 06:42.50 | Stskeeps | ponder if zoomable ui is integrated.. |
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| 06:50.47 | AStorm | also, 960x560 screen would be nice and should fit in current form factor |
| 06:51.20 | AStorm | though then I dont know how where they would place the camera (which is fairly useless now) |
| 06:52.22 | AStorm | maybe foldable one |
| 06:52.52 | AStorm | I'm sure such a fine company would solve this problem |
| 06:52.54 | AStorm | :P |
| 06:54.00 | hahlobit | any information who and when they hire that debmaster? |
| 06:54.15 | AStorm | :) |
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| 07:11.40 | joyious | Hi, how can i access the other frame buffer plane? such as /dev/fb1 |
| 07:13.46 | AStorm | there is one? |
| 07:14.07 | AStorm | ah, you mean the otherö, internal TI fb? |
| 07:14.17 | AStorm | it's not hooked up to display afaicr |
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| 07:17.47 | joyious | AStorm: So there is no overlay support ? |
| 07:18.06 | AStorm | use xv? |
| 07:18.12 | AStorm | no idea really |
| 07:18.32 | AStorm | ask someone else, like johnx |
| 07:18.42 | joyious | AStorm:I'm using directfb, not X |
| 07:19.05 | AStorm | directfb has its own overlaying and compositing... |
| 07:19.32 | AStorm | so why do you even try to access other fb device |
| 07:19.38 | joyious | AStorm:But there is no omap overlay driver there |
| 07:19.55 | AStorm | hm |
| 07:20.14 | AStorm | I think omapfb mplayer driver code might be enlightening |
| 07:20.17 | joyious | AStorm: actually I just want to play some video and draw some UI on top of it |
| 07:20.49 | joyious | AStorm: this is what johnx suggest me to check |
| 07:20.50 | AStorm | not sure if that is possible in hardware |
| 07:21.11 | AStorm | the driver does support partial updates I think |
| 07:21.52 | AStorm | another thing is to check kernel fb driver for what it supports |
| 07:21.56 | joyious | AStorm: it does support partial update in one plane |
| 07:22.15 | AStorm | which is enough to do overlaying in software :) |
| 07:22.46 | joyious | AStorm: But i need 2 plane, video is YUV and UI is RGB |
| 07:23.03 | AStorm | ah right |
| 07:23.09 | AStorm | you'd have to convert |
| 07:23.35 | AStorm | hmm |
| 07:23.44 | joyious | AStorm: And also I wonder if there is some blending |
| 07:23.50 | AStorm | no idea if multiple planes are supportes |
| 07:24.13 | AStorm | I haven't seen any blending support in the driver... but I might have missed it |
| 07:24.45 | joyious | AStorm: I searched on the internet, someone are discuss this here |
| 07:25.16 | AStorm | hm |
| 07:25.22 | joyious | AStorm:it says the n810 got 3 planes, but I got no way to use it |
| 07:25.46 | AStorm | directly, yes |
| 07:25.57 | AStorm | because stupid epson chip buffer is weird |
| 07:26.05 | AStorm | :) |
| 07:26.49 | joyious | AStorm: I know nothing about the epson chip |
| 07:26.57 | AStorm | might be possible using DMA or some other hack |
| 07:27.18 | AStorm | the fb driver doesn't support that, but mplayer omapfb might |
| 07:28.17 | joyious | AStorm:I check the mplayer source, it just use /dev/fb0 and partially update the screen |
| 07:28.21 | AStorm | at worst, just convert in software using dsp |
| 07:28.28 | AStorm | mhm |
| 07:28.41 | AStorm | yes, mplayer doesn't have to overlay |
| 07:28.47 | AStorm | it mixes in software |
| 07:29.20 | AStorm | though DSP->fb transfer is tricky |
| 07:29.24 | joyious | but mplayer do have some OSD menus there |
| 07:29.33 | joyious | I dont know how they do it |
| 07:29.44 | AStorm | in software |
| 07:30.06 | AStorm | they output correct rgb, yuv, whatnot |
| 07:31.28 | AStorm | for simple menu, it works well enough |
| 07:32.20 | joyious | and also some transpaency between those |
| 07:33.42 | AStorm | yes |
| 07:33.51 | AStorm | simple mixing |
| 07:34.12 | AStorm | it does use the dsp for some of this (esp. yuv<->rgb conversion) |
| 07:35.07 | joyious | I check the vo code, it use omapfb and just put yuv data to fb |
| 07:35.24 | AStorm | yes |
| 07:35.35 | AStorm | check other parts of mplayer code |
| 07:35.46 | AStorm | for conversion assembler |
| 07:35.49 | joyious | so you mean before the vo, it already mix the menu with videos? |
| 07:36.16 | joyious | that conversion is just from YV12 to omap's YUV420 |
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| 07:39.11 | AStorm | :) |
| 07:39.34 | AStorm | so you have to write one for rgb to yuv420 |
| 07:39.56 | joyious | why ? |
| 07:40.12 | AStorm | ... see, no overlay for you |
| 07:40.21 | AStorm | unless you figure out how to do it |
| 07:40.42 | AStorm | then I'd be grateful if you write a good doc |
| 07:41.30 | joyious | actually now I can update the whole screen with YUV420 data and then partial with RGB data for UI |
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| 07:45.39 | AStorm | that won't work |
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| 07:45.51 | AStorm | unless you convert rgb to yuv420 |
| 07:46.02 | joyious | but they are accessing the same framebuffer, so some side effect |
| 07:46.46 | joyious | It works, just to tell the device what format is the update window |
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| 07:49.34 | AStorm | really it does? |
| 07:49.53 | AStorm | still, unless you're updating rectangles only, opaque |
| 07:50.05 | AStorm | you will have to convert some parts |
| 07:50.36 | joyious | the problem is UI and video output are updating the screen seperately |
| 07:51.06 | Macer | hm |
| 07:52.07 | joyious | Yes, just some rectangle |
| 07:52.44 | joyious | opaque |
| 07:52.51 | Macer | johnx - were you watching the txt video stream or something? :) |
| 07:52.57 | Macer | just because i am on irc doesn't mean i'm on irc |
| 07:53.40 | AStorm | Macer: /away is your friend |
| 07:53.41 | AStorm | :) |
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| 08:23.55 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:26.23 | Macer | heh |
| 08:26.26 | Macer | samurai girl is hot |
| 08:26.35 | Stskeeps | morn Macer, Jaffa |
| 08:27.22 | Macer | hi |
| 08:27.53 | Macer | i'm watching samurai girl |
| 08:27.57 | Macer | it's come to this |
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| 08:35.33 | Macer | whattodo whattodo |
| 08:38.36 | Macer | hm |
| 08:40.37 | X-Fade | Morning.. |
| 08:41.40 | X-Fade | Let's see if GA awakes from his turkey induced coma ;) |
| 08:46.38 | johnx | another several hours yet I think :) |
| 08:47.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: sapwood change log had a notice about memory corruption btw |
| 08:47.09 | Stskeeps | like, quite recently |
| 08:47.54 | johnx | hmm |
| 08:51.19 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I especially like the FIXMEs in that code ;) |
| 08:51.45 | Stskeeps | hehe, it's always comforting maemo isn't running nuclear facilities.. |
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| 09:02.35 | X-Fade | Can somebody login on the wiki and see if they get a captcha after you hit save? (Should not be) |
| 09:02.54 | X-Fade | You'd have to edit an article. |
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| 09:06.12 | aquatix | lcuk: sorry, am around now again |
| 09:06.15 | aquatix | morning all btw :) |
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| 09:20.26 | RST38h | moo all |
| 09:21.07 | aquatix | hey RST38h |
| 09:21.34 | johnx | m00f RST38h :) |
| 09:22.25 | RST38h | Anyone planning to track down Mara and torture the pretty n900 pictures out of him/her? =) |
| 09:23.48 | X-Fade | RST38h: Book a flight to .fi ;) |
| 09:24.19 | RST38h | X-Fade: Sending the evil minions! |
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| 09:26.26 | hahlobit | here is cold. |
| 09:26.49 | hahlobit | better fly to .br |
| 09:27.12 | johnx | 12C here. what about where other people are? |
| 09:27.18 | RST38h | +3 |
| 09:27.25 | RST38h | Will be -3 before long |
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| 09:27.58 | X-Fade | 2.6C here (NL) |
| 09:29.53 | hahlobit | 3c |
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| 09:30.29 | johnx | well, looks like I got the better end of the deal :) ... except that I do enjoy snow |
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| 09:33.48 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: check jaiku, there is wrong repo in maemo wiki |
| 09:34.15 | Meiz_n810 | is it is for armel :) |
| 09:35.30 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, it is actually entirely correct - those are developer tools for i386 |
| 09:35.39 | Stskeeps | for installation on a linux PC |
| 09:35.44 | Stskeeps | jaunty-i36 |
| 09:35.46 | Stskeeps | i386 |
| 09:36.09 | Stskeeps | for testing if your package compiles first :) |
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| 09:44.45 | RST38h | johnx: yours is probably more humid though |
| 09:45.31 | johnx | well yeah, but not right now |
| 09:45.50 | johnx | it's pretty awful in the summer though |
| 09:46.31 | aquatix | X-Fade: meh, it's 3.7C here :( |
| 09:46.47 | aquatix | but it seems it's getting lower |
| 09:46.56 | X-Fade | aquatix: Cold south here ;) |
| 09:47.12 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 09:47.26 | aquatix | lives near the Northsea, so that doesn't help getting it cold here |
| 09:47.35 | X-Fade | I don't mind the cold, but I hate these fully grey skies. |
| 09:47.55 | aquatix | true |
| 09:47.57 | X-Fade | Cold + blue sky + sun is a lot more friendly to the eye :) |
| 09:48.06 | aquatix | loves a freezing day with blue sky and sun |
| 09:48.07 | aquatix | indeed |
| 09:48.10 | johnx | I used to live in Seattle. It was like that from the beginning of fall into late spring |
| 09:48.18 | aquatix | maybe add in some snow here and there |
| 09:48.23 | johnx | (overcast I mean) |
| 09:48.48 | X-Fade | johnx: Yeah, overcast sucks.. |
| 09:49.27 | aquatix | it's so damn gloomy |
| 09:49.27 | RST38h | got used to gray skies |
| 09:49.27 | johnx | definitely |
| 09:49.33 | aquatix | RST38h: :) |
| 09:50.06 | RST38h | It is funny how all city photos are made in the night during November-March period though |
| 09:50.12 | aquatix | X-Fade: http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=INOORDHO4 <- at this rate it will be freezing by evening :) |
| 09:50.26 | X-Fade | Well at least it isn't dark until 10am and goes dark again at 3pm here ;) |
| 09:50.27 | aquatix | RST38h: ah? |
| 09:50.29 | johnx | RST38h, and all photos of Seattle are made in the Summer :) |
| 09:50.58 | aquatix | X-Fade: well, it only is dark until 9am and goes dark at 4pm ;) |
| 09:51.24 | X-Fade | aquatix: Yeah, like I said. At least ... |
| 09:51.35 | RST38h | aquatix: During the night, this place is illuminated and looks pretty much like klingon capital |
| 09:51.43 | aquatix | hm, shall i turn up the heat a bit or shall i run some demanding app on my pc... |
| 09:51.47 | aquatix | X-Fade: :) |
| 09:51.48 | RST38h | aquatix: During the day it is uniform gray though |
| 09:51.57 | aquatix | RST38h: heh :) |
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| 09:52.08 | aquatix | RST38h: yeah, that 360-view was yours right? |
| 09:52.15 | Stskeeps | aquatix: my office is entirely heated by the 2 servers, atom board, tv and screens, and a beagleboard |
| 09:52.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:52.22 | RST38h | aquatix: Nope, somebody else made it |
| 09:52.23 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:52.35 | aquatix | RST38h: fair enough, but at least your city :) |
| 09:52.48 | aquatix | Stskeeps: i'm glad i don't have servers in this room |
| 09:53.01 | aquatix | only me, my workstation and my huge-ish tft |
| 09:53.06 | RST38h | aquatix: more stuff here: http://www.ivan.ru/ (do check the archive) |
| 09:53.15 | aquatix | clicks |
| 09:53.31 | aquatix | ooh, nice |
| 09:54.05 | aquatix | http://www.ivan.ru/uploads/2008/08/moscow04.jpg <- whoa |
| 09:54.16 | aquatix | that's almost spooky |
| 09:54.43 | X-Fade | Very cool photo. |
| 09:55.06 | RST38h | That is postprocessing |
| 09:55.08 | aquatix | RST38h: is that tower on the background the wannabe highest of europe? http://www.ivan.ru/uploads/2008/08/moscow05.jpg |
| 09:55.42 | RST38h | aquatix: Nope. The highest one has not been started yet and they seem to have suspended the plans |
| 09:55.51 | aquatix | yeah, read about that |
| 09:55.56 | RST38h | this one is still pretty high though |
| 09:55.58 | aquatix | thought they already where building it |
| 09:56.07 | aquatix | heh, yeah, that's why i asked |
| 09:56.11 | RST38h | yes, the base is there |
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| 10:29.49 | chrisak- | When setting up cell phone operator, if selected country shows no service providers does that mean i'm outta luck? |
| 10:31.20 | RST38h | no it just means you will have to configure manually |
| 10:33.34 | hahlobit | no i don't think so. my operator didn't show either. |
| 10:36.17 | hahlobit | you can set them by hand if you know access points and such. |
| 10:38.56 | chrisak- | ok thanks :) i'll keep at it then. Thailand and Cambodia both had lists of local mobile providers but Vietnam lists none |
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| 10:50.16 | lardman | morning |
| 10:50.36 | mmm_bacon | om nom nom |
| 10:50.52 | mmm_bacon | hiya simon |
| 10:50.57 | lardman | hi Gary :D |
| 10:51.23 | Gary | :'( hilights ftl |
| 10:51.32 | RST38h | moo, lardman |
| 10:51.48 | lardman | Gary: sorry! |
| 10:52.03 | mmm_bacon | feels like crap, if anyone wants me ill probably answer later |
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| 10:53.26 | lardman | mmm_bacon: I don't need to want you ill, you already are ;) |
| 10:54.03 | mmm_bacon | bleugh, this is very interesting by the way: movial omap3 in tablet form factor http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O7oTlmlfV20&feature=related |
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| 10:55.37 | mmm_bacon | lardman i can barely focus on anything :( i left windows closed all night and heating on |
| 10:56.37 | GAN800 | X-Fade, right about now. ;) |
| 10:57.02 | lardman | mmm_bacon: carbon monoxide poisioning? |
| 10:57.16 | lardman | s/poisioning/poisoning |
| 10:57.17 | mmm_bacon | more like methane |
| 10:57.20 | X-Fade | GAN800: No too bad ;) |
| 10:57.26 | lardman | beans too hey? |
| 10:57.41 | mmm_bacon | blames the cheese n bean jacket potato |
| 10:57.49 | GAN800 | I hit the bed so hard after we got home last night. <_< |
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| 10:59.11 | lardman | GAN800: where were you out too? |
| 10:59.27 | GAN800 | Friends place for Thanksgiving |
| 10:59.40 | GAN800 | 26lbs turkey |
| 10:59.42 | lardman | ah, turkey population halved? ;) |
| 10:59.56 | lardman | bloody hell, what were they feeding it? |
| 10:59.57 | GAN800 | sees the stupid Fremantle thread exploded. |
| 11:00.00 | lardman | lead shot? |
| 11:00.08 | GAN800 | Hormones, clearly. |
| 11:01.37 | aquatix | those damn geeks |
| 11:02.44 | mmm_bacon | lardman, have you seen that video ^^ |
| 11:03.21 | X-Fade | mmm_bacon: The part where they scroll is pretty bad. |
| 11:03.38 | mmm_bacon | it made me smile :) |
| 11:03.41 | lardman | yeah |
| 11:03.51 | GAN800 | I really hope these assholes don't totally screw up the bugzilla process. |
| 11:04.04 | lardman | has no sound on work pc |
| 11:04.23 | lardman | wonders how the n810 will handle all new widescreen YouTube |
| 11:04.23 | mmm_bacon | you dont need sound to see the smooth scrolling effects |
| 11:04.38 | mmm_bacon | wonders whats wrong with it |
| 11:05.13 | mmm_bacon | anyway, back to bed for me |
| 11:06.20 | GAN800 | sighs. |
| 11:06.37 | Stskeeps | morning GAN800 |
| 11:06.39 | Stskeeps | good turkey? |
| 11:06.51 | GAN800 | Yeah, it was all excellent |
| 11:07.11 | lardman | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/470460 |
| 11:07.14 | GAN800 | Had a slice of keylime and a slice of pumpkin for dessert. |
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| 11:22.49 | Jaffa | lardman: shiny! |
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| 11:32.37 | lardman | Jaffa: I think it's actually faster playing through flash than it was on the original machines :) |
| 11:33.25 | lardman | which is not to compliment flash in any way of course! |
| 11:33.25 | GAN800 | lol newgrounds |
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| 11:33.31 | GAN800 | played that regularly in middle school. |
| 11:33.57 | qwerty12 | is more of a miniclip fan |
| 11:35.46 | lardman | Worms or bomberman, man needs nothing else |
| 11:36.11 | lardman | though now that fps do coop mode, I'm tempted to resurrect afternoon gaming in the office ;) |
| 11:36.58 | GAN800 | I've hardly played a recent FPS not in coop |
| 11:37.19 | GAN800 | This is what we should have. http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/28/nokia-quake-iii-gains-on-phone-server-bluetooth-keyboard-and-mo/ :(( |
| 11:37.21 | lardman | We used to play a few years back, when Doom3 first came out - not much had coop mode then |
| 11:38.10 | lardman | yeah, we'll have to find out about driver support or not |
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| 11:38.26 | qwerty12 | Oh god, now I want a E90 soo badly |
| 11:38.45 | GAN800 | You should want drivers more. :P |
| 11:38.49 | lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_(Gearbox_Software) looks promising for late evening coop play (in deserted uni, with headsets to talk as we're all in different offices) |
| 11:39.11 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Call me a pessimist but I've come to the conclusion that we won't be seeing drivers anytime soon :) |
| 11:40.05 | GAN800 | Maybe the dreams of an innocent (ha!) child will bring them for us. :P |
| 11:40.16 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 11:40.59 | GAN800 | How did 'Freemantle' become such a popular misspelling? :/ |
| 11:41.14 | Stskeeps | free willy? |
| 11:41.20 | Jaffa | Cos people are thick, like, innit |
| 11:41.51 | qwerty12 | Since people like to rant without knowing the background behind a decision :/ |
| 11:42.24 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, Ooh, nearly passed as a Vicky Pollard |
| 11:43.46 | lardman | easy mis-type though, I automatically type two ees |
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| 11:43.53 | GAN800 | widescreen YouTube aint so good fir |
| 11:43.58 | GAN800 | the tablets. |
| 11:44.01 | dystopia | why won't we get the linux security patches |
| 11:44.32 | Stskeeps | you want to lock down your tablet like fort knox? :P |
| 11:45.32 | dystopia | like Fristaden Christiania ;-) |
| 11:46.53 | GAN800 | Feel free to help out with the stlc45xx |
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| 11:47.37 | dystopia | or backport hmm |
| 11:47.45 | guardian | hi |
| 11:47.47 | guardian | is there a known release date for the N900 ? |
| 11:47.49 | Stskeeps | dystopia: .. that's about how open tablet is already |
| 11:47.58 | lardman | guardian: no |
| 11:48.04 | guardian | ok |
| 11:48.11 | GAN800 | Best guess is Summer 2009 |
| 11:48.28 | guardian | ok it's in a while then |
| 11:48.44 | lardman | From the comments on ITT there are prototypes around though, i wonder if people have been checking the browser id strings lately....? |
| 11:49.10 | GAN800 | Hehe, I doubt they're at that point quite yet |
| 11:49.38 | GAN800 | Bug Reggie about it. ;) |
| 11:49.41 | Stskeeps | GAN800: saw Mara's comment? :P |
| 11:49.47 | lardman | I don't know, my original impression was that they were fairly well advanced |
| 11:50.06 | lardman | or X-Fade ;) |
| 11:50.18 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, er, about them browsing with them not about there being prototypes. |
| 11:50.27 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:52.11 | lardman | wonders why Outlook is so crap |
| 11:52.33 | GAN800 | It's MS duh |
| 11:54.10 | GAN800 | Showed the tablet to an iPod guy last night. He about died when I started playing When We Left Earth from the DVR at home with the HAVA. |
| 11:54.27 | qwerty12 | Lol |
| 11:55.48 | lardman | GAN800: so true |
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| 11:57.38 | GAN800 | It's interesting to see what hits home with different people |
| 11:57.57 | GAN800 | Some really dig media playback, others love the browser |
| 11:58.09 | lardman | how? |
| 11:58.21 | Stskeeps | "There's nothing conceptually different between my laptop running Debian and my N800 running, for all practical purposes, a Debian derivative. " |
| 11:58.24 | Stskeeps | that's so wrong.. |
| 11:58.34 | Stskeeps | there's tonnes of differences in how you deal with a ultramobile syste |
| 11:58.35 | Stskeeps | m |
| 11:58.35 | lardman | not that I can comment as I've not submitted patches, but the browser really is too slow still |
| 11:58.58 | GAN800 | You show one person liqbase and they're totally non-reactive, but the next will frek |
| 11:59.04 | GAN800 | s/frek/freak/ |
| 11:59.40 | GAN800 | lardman, but compared to a crap cellphone browser or Palm? |
| 12:00.01 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, please feel free to correct them. :P |
| 12:00.12 | lardman | GAN800: yeah no idea, I use neither |
| 12:00.42 | GAN800 | lardman, really, honestly, the tablets offer some of the best mobile browsing around. |
| 12:00.55 | GAN800 | You'd be amazed at what some people are using. |
| 12:01.04 | lardman | I'd still prefer to wait and boot my pc |
| 12:01.22 | lardman | or use my gf's ipod touch |
| 12:01.30 | GAN800 | It's not laptop fast, but it's damn better than almost anything else in the class. |
| 12:01.51 | GAN800 | But, again, it's interesting to see what people react to. |
| 12:02.04 | lardman | I agree, with you, it;s just that it needs to be sufficiently fast to not make me boot the pc in preference |
| 12:02.16 | GAN800 | iPod Touch over N810? urgh |
| 12:02.18 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i will, when i'm done with work :P |
| 12:02.23 | lardman | it's not even the speed for me, it's the bloody lock-ups and random scrolling behaviour |
| 12:02.31 | GAN800 | Why would you even turn off your computer? |
| 12:02.35 | lardman | speed-wise it's fine |
| 12:02.39 | Stskeeps | GAN800: making a Mer image for a intel atom board :P |
| 12:02.40 | GAN800 | turb |
| 12:02.47 | lardman | GAN800: expensive bills over here |
| 12:02.50 | GAN800 | turn off js and flash |
| 12:02.55 | GAN800 | it'll flj |
| 12:03.04 | GAN800 | s/flj/fly/ |
| 12:03.14 | lardman | stuff like itt is still painful |
| 12:03.22 | lardman | image loading is slow |
| 12:03.27 | GAN800 | lol, Modest and IM notifications messing up my thumb typing. |
| 12:03.36 | GAN800 | lardman, minimalist. |
| 12:03.50 | lardman | yeah, there are ways |
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| 12:09.11 | lardman | hmm, shame the itt site doesn't automatically give us the low bandwidth version from the browser id |
| 12:09.43 | qwerty12 | lardman, if you haven't already done changed the theme, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/?styleid=10 |
| 12:09.45 | GAN800 | lardman, give it time. :p |
| 12:10.26 | Jaffa | finds most browsing slightly too painful on an N810, unless I'm stuck, or doing something very specific. |
| 12:11.44 | lardman | qwerty12: thanks |
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| 12:12.13 | lardman | Jaffa: yeah, it's ok if you've got something bookmarked to work in low-fi mode, but just general browsing is too clonky |
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| 12:20.37 | GAN800 | Who'da thunk it'd take 3 days to fill 30,000 gallons from a hose. . . . |
| 12:20.54 | Jaffa | Someone with a calculator who knew the water flow rate? ;-) |
| 12:22.27 | GAN800 | Say hello to the $500 water bill |
| 12:23.51 | GAN800 | Though, interestingly, you can get them to bill you the average of your last three instead if you get a letter from the pool company saying they had to fix a leak. |
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| 12:24.38 | aquatix | GAN800: ... you have a pool? |
| 12:26.11 | GAN800 | At my parents house. ;) |
| 12:26.31 | GAN800 | We just had our 50-year-old pool resurfaced. |
| 12:26.38 | aquatix | ah cool |
| 12:26.55 | johnx | so you got rid of the 50-year-old water as well? |
| 12:27.06 | aquatix | meh, now i've just raised the specs of my next house to include a pool as well ;) |
| 12:27.09 | aquatix | dreams on |
| 12:27.14 | GAN800 | They can't resurface it wet. . . . |
| 12:27.35 | aquatix | ha |
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| 12:29.44 | Speedy2 | Hey all. Does anyone here use the Access Palm Emulator on their n810? I'm wondering about the performance. |
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| 12:31.42 | johnx | hi Speedy2. yeah I tried it a while back. it seems pretty fast |
| 12:33.10 | Speedy2 | johnx: Which device do you have, n810? |
| 12:33.22 | johnx | n800 |
| 12:33.45 | Speedy2 | Just curious, what apps did you try out? |
| 12:34.05 | johnx | just the included ones, memo, datebook, etc |
| 12:35.08 | Speedy2 | Gotcha. |
| 12:35.17 | Speedy2 | Thanks :) |
| 12:35.20 | johnx | for graphics heavy stuff it gets slower |
| 12:35.32 | Speedy2 | Hrm. I had the crazy idea of running TomTom on it |
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| 12:35.52 | johnx | would be interesting, give it a shot :) |
| 12:36.08 | Speedy2 | I don't have any Nokia tablets :/ |
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| 13:32.17 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 13:45.14 | slonopotamus | tried to order beagleboard, but got 'us export regulations' reject |
| 13:45.38 | qwerty12 | Ouch. That's fucked up :( |
| 13:45.50 | slonopotamus | yep |
| 13:45.59 | Stskeeps | wow, harsh :P |
| 13:46.02 | Stskeeps | where are you? |
| 13:46.10 | slonopotamus | russia |
| 13:46.13 | Stskeeps | .. ah |
| 13:46.23 | slonopotamus | what? |
| 13:46.41 | qwerty12 | You may use the beagleboards to launch a planned missile strike on the US :D :P |
| 13:46.48 | Meiz_n810 | lol |
| 13:46.49 | Stskeeps | i didn't know russia had us export regulations on eletronics :P |
| 13:46.56 | Stskeeps | +c |
| 13:47.06 | Stskeeps | but with the DSP you can make missiles.. :P |
| 13:47.11 | slonopotamus | why it's ok for n8x0 but not for beagleboard? |
| 13:47.22 | Stskeeps | that's a very good question |
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| 13:47.25 | slonopotamus | ah. nokia is in finland |
| 13:47.30 | Stskeeps | one is exported from US, the other asia? :P |
| 13:47.31 | slonopotamus | err |
| 13:47.38 | Meiz_n810 | My n810 is "made in Finland" |
| 13:47.42 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:47.43 | slonopotamus | somewhere in europe |
| 13:48.17 | slonopotamus | and mine |
| 13:48.18 | Meiz_n810 | all the parts are from china, but at least it is put together here =P |
| 13:48.22 | fiferboy | qwerty12: Glad the patch worked |
| 13:49.00 | slonopotamus | so i'll have to use n8x0 for missile strike. |
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| 13:49.06 | qwerty12 | fiferboy, Yep, I'm about to send another version to the autobuilder (using quilt so people can see the changes easier!) :) |
| 13:49.19 | qwerty12 | I really want to start work on trying to fix 1.40 :( |
| 13:49.25 | Stskeeps | i wonder if there's anywhere nokia puts source packages for the stuff in tags/ |
| 13:49.36 | fiferboy | What was the uPNP problem in 1.40? |
| 13:50.18 | qwerty12 | fiferboy, Seems to be broken, it won't connect to the router and forward ports. I even tried using the upnp code from 1.34 slotted into 1.40 and it still wouldn't work :/ |
| 13:51.01 | fiferboy | Strange. Have you heard whether this is a problem on the desktop too? Or does it seem to be tablet specific? |
| 13:51.23 | qwerty12 | Tablet specific from what I can tell because 1.40 on the desktop forwards ports fine :/ |
| 13:51.49 | fiferboy | Even stranger. |
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| 14:23.13 | fiferboy | qwerty12: When is transmission going to the auto-builder? |
| 14:23.21 | qwerty12 | fiferboy, already been sent :) |
| 14:23.30 | qwerty12 | It's already built afaik |
| 14:23.53 | qwerty12 | just waiting for the debs to slide over to extras-devel... |
| 14:24.02 | fiferboy | Ah, but not promted. Gotcha |
| 14:24.31 | qwerty12 | I forgot to change the Maemo-Upgrade-Description. Ah well :P |
| 14:26.15 | fiferboy | There's always something |
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| 14:27.57 | qwerty12 | Grr, it's being slow. I'm still waiting for transmission_1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix2_armel.deb to be transferred to extras-devel :/ |
| 14:28.45 | fiferboy | That does seem slower than usual. Maybe the servers are full from Amerian Thanksgiving dinner |
| 14:28.56 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 14:28.59 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 14:29.10 | aquatix | Server error: stuffed |
| 14:29.11 | aquatix | ;) |
| 14:29.21 | fiferboy | :D |
| 14:29.26 | qwerty12 | Maybe mikkov is making it scream with the boost builds :P |
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| 14:29.32 | fiferboy | Hopefully |
| 14:29.44 | fiferboy | Although nothing shows in the autobuilder queue |
| 14:29.54 | qwerty12 | There we go! http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/t/transmission/transmission_1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix2_armel.deb |
| 14:30.27 | qwerty12 | Be nice if i386 builds could be disabled... I don't see the point in a i386 build of transmission... |
| 14:30.56 | fiferboy | mikkov said something about building boost serialization for just armel |
| 14:31.09 | fiferboy | Maybe if you speify the architecture in the control file? |
| 14:31.21 | qwerty12 | Yeah, I saw the log, dh_pythonsomething messed up on serialisation :/ |
| 14:31.28 | fiferboy | It would be nice if we had a debian packaging master to tell us things like this |
| 14:31.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's a good way to see if things screw up horridly before getting the big machinery out |
| 14:31.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:31.46 | johnx | the little machinery? |
| 14:32.02 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I *never* use the DIABLO_I386 target in my sbox :P |
| 14:32.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: well, ok, in my language it is like the expression "big guns" :P |
| 14:32.35 | fiferboy | qwerty12: i386 is good for memory testing, because some of the tools don't work in armel in sb |
| 14:32.55 | Stskeeps | wow, nokia's sure taking a beating on OS practices atm |
| 14:33.02 | qwerty12 | fiferboy, ah... good point |
| 14:33.05 | johnx | Stskeeps, right, I get what you mean. I was just having fun cause an ARM board is really the smaller machine :) |
| 14:33.05 | Stskeeps | that's a lot of dislike in those threads O_o |
| 14:33.32 | johnx | you weren't here for the 770 -> N800 transition, were you? |
| 14:33.42 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 14:33.48 | Stskeeps | it must have been even worse |
| 14:34.32 | johnx | people don't like being told "your product isn't supported anymore, go spend $400+ on a new one" |
| 14:34.48 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:35.01 | Stskeeps | which is why it could be a benefit for nokia to seperate the HW and the SW :P |
| 14:35.31 | fiferboy | I stopped reading that thread |
| 14:35.58 | johnx | Stskeeps, and sell the SW separately? or commit to free updates for x years? |
| 14:36.16 | johnx | at the end of the day Nokia is *selling* *hardware* |
| 14:37.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: well, system base should be OSS obviously.. and providing drivers like vendors do (wifi firmware, etc), .. and then sell some of their SW bundled with HW |
| 14:37.03 | Stskeeps | on their own basis |
| 14:37.07 | Stskeeps | along those lines |
| 14:37.25 | Stskeeps | if their new SW requires new HW, so it does |
| 14:37.32 | qwerty12 | I wish dannym would fix the dependencies on his unzip-fm in extras-devel. I was looking at the code, seems really useful :( |
| 14:37.33 | Stskeeps | rest of OS shouldn't have to be touched for it |
| 14:37.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm working on the hildon-theme- packages btw |
| 14:37.56 | Stskeeps | and getting them branched and uploaded |
| 14:38.17 | johnx | ah, sounds good, I'm doing a quick compile of hildon-desktop to see if the memory corruption fix solves my problem |
| 14:38.25 | Stskeeps | for sapwood? |
| 14:38.36 | johnx | yeah |
| 14:38.49 | johnx | I guess I should just use one of the sapwood demos, huh? |
| 14:38.55 | johnx | <- duh |
| 14:39.11 | Stskeeps | there's sapwood demos? :P |
| 14:39.14 | Stskeeps | (didn't knwo that) |
| 14:39.59 | fiferboy | qwerty12: Wow, you fix more than just adding my patch in this version |
| 14:40.05 | fiferboy | I was expecting a minor release |
| 14:40.29 | qwerty12 | Heh, it is really, just mainly to fix the things I forgot to hildonize :) |
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| 14:40.44 | johnx | well there were :/ |
| 14:41.50 | johnx | nope, top level of the source under "demos" |
| 14:42.26 | johnx | s/nope/yup/ |
| 14:44.06 | RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/11/20082811-russia-5800-launch-500.jpg |
| 14:44.51 | qwerty12 | RST38h, http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8373/5800salesstartmoscow2hi6.jpg |
| 14:45.33 | RST38h | qwerty: The packaging seems to be an attempt to simulate iPhone |
| 14:45.37 | aquatix | looks... wanted |
| 14:45.51 | Stskeeps | "The sources of the Maemo platform and related Nokia developed open source applications are available at git.maemo.org. (planned) " |
| 14:45.54 | Stskeeps | that's interesting |
| 14:46.25 | RST38h | Well, with 120 units only and the locals looking for a new status gadget, you can't go wrong |
| 14:46.27 | johnx | 's brain explodes from too man scms |
| 14:46.31 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:46.34 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Yeah, but imo, a lot of these new touch screen phones without a keypad/little amount of buttons come off as iphone clones to me |
| 14:46.38 | Stskeeps | is unsure what he thinks of launchpad so far |
| 14:46.46 | Stskeeps | so far it is just a bzr hosting service, and not a directly good one at it |
| 14:46.56 | RST38h | qwerty: And such they are. |
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| 14:47.24 | RST38h | qwerty: But who gives a damn? Let us all thank Steve for pinching phone industry in the butt |
| 14:47.32 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 14:47.50 | johnx | I kind of like having buttons on my phone... |
| 14:47.52 | qwerty12 | Finland are selling it for 389 |
| 14:48.06 | RST38h | does not care for buttons as long as whatever replaces them is usable |
| 14:48.27 | johnx | can't use it without staring at it = not usable |
| 14:51.34 | RST38h | johnx: a displayed button won't do? |
| 14:52.33 | johnx | I rely on tactile feedback so that I don't have to constantly look at my phone while typing on it |
| 14:52.55 | RST38h | johnx: a beeping or clicking on vibrating displayed button won't do either? |
| 14:53.24 | johnx | will I be able to find it with my thumb *before* clicking/activating it? |
| 14:53.48 | woglinde | gu |
| 14:53.53 | RST38h | qwerty: The price was 15000RUR ($545) and the 50 initial units were gone in 44 minutes. No advertising, no notice, nothing |
| 14:53.57 | johnx | This isn't the "did I hit it" question, it's the "Where is it?" question |
| 14:54.04 | woglinde | ups hi |
| 14:54.31 | qwerty12 | RST38h, hehe |
| 14:54.36 | qwerty12 | hi woglinde |
| 14:54.38 | RST38h | smiles evilly and suggest making slight bumps at the screen surface where buttons will be shown |
| 14:54.51 | johnx | or just leave the *$&%ing keypad alone |
| 14:55.01 | johnx | see, wasn't that easier? :) |
| 14:55.18 | RST38h | johnx: I want my datapad. |
| 14:55.35 | johnx | isn't there an apple store near you? :> |
| 14:55.43 | RST38h | Thankfully, no |
| 14:56.28 | johnx | I still wonder about all the hate for the iphone |
| 14:56.38 | RST38h | It is not the iphone, it is the users |
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| 14:56.54 | RST38h | Like one aquaintance of mine put it, "gays and whores" |
| 14:57.05 | johnx | ah, if I had to avoid products 'cause dumb people used them I'd be bare naked out in the street |
| 14:57.16 | johnx | "dumb people live in apartments and houses, so I can't" |
| 14:57.22 | RST38h | And people in general either hate those or at least do not want to be mixed with them |
| 14:57.43 | johnx | I saw a dumb guy wearing a shirt once... |
| 14:58.39 | RST38h | johnx: What you cite is really a counterargument used by apple nutcases |
| 14:58.55 | johnx | so basically people hate it because it's successful, and some geeks dislike it because of Apple's draconian "app store" policies |
| 14:59.03 | johnx | meh |
| 14:59.06 | RST38h | johnx: pretty simple one too - "you are either a looser or a nerd and I am a normal guy" |
| 14:59.32 | johnx | sorry, I don't buy into this hating things because of their users |
| 14:59.57 | RST38h | johnx: Well, have you actually talked to any hardcore apple adepts? |
| 15:00.03 | johnx | yeah |
| 15:00.11 | RST38h | And you are still not buying it? |
| 15:00.13 | johnx | well, define "hardcore" |
| 15:00.39 | RST38h | Hardcore: Owns iPod, iPhone, iMac, and eager to tell everyone about it |
| 15:00.46 | johnx | I used to work at a place where all the computers were Apple, but it was for technical reasons, so I guess that doesn't count |
| 15:00.54 | RST38h | it does not |
| 15:01.09 | RST38h | Lots of US .edu sites were stocked with Macs in the 90s |
| 15:01.30 | RST38h | Apple had edu discounts and the lab setup was easy (unlike with PCs) |
| 15:01.57 | Stskeeps | ke-recv, "first steps taken for pcsuite support" |
| 15:02.01 | Stskeeps | that's intruiging |
| 15:02.18 | RST38h | Nothing exciting. They want the tablet to talk to PCSuite |
| 15:02.32 | Stskeeps | and a g_nokia |
| 15:02.50 | RST38h | PCSuite basically uses serial-over-USB protocol, it is written in Java, huge, unstable, nad better to be avoided |
| 15:02.56 | johnx | g_nokia, now that's pretty random : |
| 15:03.40 | Stskeeps | RX-51 |
| 15:03.41 | RST38h | johnx: Btw a few days ago had to listen to a fanboy explaining that iPhone battery is non-replaceable to avoid people replacing it with exploding 3rd party one |
| 15:03.48 | Stskeeps | that N900? |
| 15:03.55 | johnx | guess so |
| 15:04.02 | RST38h | johnx: And that bt data exchange is not being implemented to avoid VIRUSES |
| 15:04.03 | Stskeeps | googleable stuff, yay |
| 15:04.04 | johnx | is that the first time we've seen an rx-** for it? |
| 15:04.09 | Stskeeps | first time i have |
| 15:04.16 | RST38h | let's ask google |
| 15:04.42 | qwerty12 | http://markmail.org/message/zt2epehzqppioet3 |
| 15:04.47 | qwerty12 | rx51 is there |
| 15:04.47 | johnx | RST38h, I'm not arguing with you that people are stupid, but like I said, there are stupid people everywhere, using all products |
| 15:05.11 | RST38h | RX-51: http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/AchatsVentes/Hardware/tablette-internet-bluooth-sujet_413158_1.htm |
| 15:05.27 | RST38h | johnx: These are not stupid. They are demented. |
| 15:05.42 | johnx | shades of grey |
| 15:06.15 | RST38h | johnx: Nope. Stupidity is not contagious, dementia is |
| 15:06.47 | johnx | so let's just get this out in the open: you're afraid that if you buy an iphone you will become demented |
| 15:06.58 | RST38h | johnx: Actually, I am |
| 15:07.18 | johnx | and this somehow makes more sense than "OMG! viruses over bluetooth!"? |
| 15:07.19 | RST38h | johnx: (although I own an Apple BT keyboard and it did not made me go nuts so far :)) |
| 15:08.06 | RST38h | johnx: Well, I haven't seen BT viruses so far but I have seen at least 3 of my friends buy apple stuff |
| 15:08.18 | RST38h | johnx: And none of them escaped. |
| 15:08.39 | johnx | are they happier now? |
| 15:08.42 | woglinde | hm maybee my nest task for maemo is |
| 15:08.46 | RST38h | johnx: No idea, probably |
| 15:08.50 | woglinde | to get cacao in extras-devel |
| 15:09.12 | RST38h | johnx: But way creepier to talk to |
| 15:09.30 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm curious over af-startup no longer having matchbox in it |
| 15:09.32 | johnx | maybe you just need to drink the proverbial koolaid and join the cult? |
| 15:09.44 | RST38h | johnx <-- evil |
| 15:09.58 | Stskeeps | .. what on earth is source_if_is? |
| 15:10.05 | johnx | heh |
| 15:10.13 | johnx | don't read that. that's the true cause of dementia |
| 15:10.17 | RST38h | johnx: Naah, aside from the mental danger, iPhone just plain does not do what I use my phone for |
| 15:11.03 | RST38h | johnx: But if N9x0 finally becomes an iphone-like tablet, I will buy it indeed |
| 15:11.55 | johnx | I'm still coming out with mixed feelings an environment like maemo as a phone |
| 15:12.37 | johnx | users adding random daemons and long-running programs in a non-managed way, combined with the need for 24/7 stability and battery life |
| 15:13.17 | johnx | or did you mean "iphone like, without the phone"? |
| 15:13.26 | Stskeeps | Preparing the plugin for animated video thumbnails |
| 15:13.29 | Stskeeps | dear god. :P |
| 15:13.34 | RST38h | johnx: does not matter much to me |
| 15:13.45 | Stskeeps | (apologies to the writer who is in here) |
| 15:14.00 | RST38h | johnx: Won't hold the whole pad to my ear anyway and I do not particularly like headsets |
| 15:14.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, wow. I think some of this is beyond even desktop linux O_o |
| 15:14.27 | RST38h | johnx: But if you worry about stablity, battery life, etc, just look at WinMobile :) |
| 15:14.48 | RST38h | Whatever Nokia does to Maemo is going to be better than THAT thing |
| 15:15.12 | johnx | well yes, that goes without saying |
| 15:15.27 | johnx | but WinMo is the one platform I won't make any apologies for |
| 15:15.46 | jaska | id take winmo over symbian any day tho |
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| 15:15.55 | RST38h | Still it is being used in phones and so far it is not dead |
| 15:16.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: woo, "through noreturn functions work on ARM with gcc-4.2.1" |
| 15:16.09 | RST38h | jaska: Sorry, I would rather use Symbian |
| 15:16.13 | Stskeeps | gcc4 \o/ |
| 15:19.06 | jaska | why sorry?:) |
| 15:19.28 | RST38h | 'cause Symbian is not exactly a paramount of perfection either |
| 15:19.49 | jaska | heh, i hope they dump it for linux eventually so i dont have to buy htc phones |
| 15:19.54 | RST38h | But at least it works |
| 15:20.11 | RST38h | What's wrong with Symbian? |
| 15:20.28 | jaska | all that symbian signed crap etc. |
| 15:20.43 | jaska | and the symbian c++ stuff is naaasty |
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| 15:22.57 | RST38h | it's ok when you understand it |
| 15:23.08 | RST38h | heavy handed but ok and seems to work |
| 15:23.28 | jaska | i just see no excuse for not allowing the owner of a device run whatever he wants |
| 15:23.31 | RST38h | wince is basically a bastardized win95 quickly and dirtily ported to arm though |
| 15:23.47 | jaska | i dont love wince either, its just the lesser evil of the two for me |
| 15:23.48 | inz | If there's an event involved with symbian, I really hope it's name ends 'L'... |
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| 15:24.28 | woglinde | RST38h to ppc and mips too |
| 15:24.31 | RST38h | jaska: in practice, self signed apps get pretty much all the rights you would need for a non-system-level app |
| 15:24.42 | RST38h | woglinde: yea, but those died rather quickly |
| 15:25.00 | RST38h | mips version is still being supported, kinda, but not actively developed or used |
| 15:25.18 | jaska | agree to disagree?:P |
| 15:25.32 | jaska | as its somewhat ot and going nowhere |
| 15:25.50 | johnx | I had to support WinMo phones in a previous job. Never. Again. |
| 15:26.21 | woglinde | johnx he you got a handy board support package |
| 15:26.58 | johnx | ha! I didn't even get one of my own to play with |
| 15:27.25 | johnx | it was just "these people need their new WinMo phones to sync with their Macs" |
| 15:27.29 | ShadowJK | the funniest thing is that some nokia people when you whine to them about symbian signed being crap/not working/offline/timing out, they sometimes tell you to jailbreak your phone and get around the symbiansigned stuff permanently :) |
| 15:27.42 | johnx | and then to top it off the things had random bugs, failures in addition |
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| 15:29.25 | RST38h | sincerely hopes Nokia will take the Symbian Signed crap away now |
| 15:29.40 | qwerty12 | RST38h, +1 |
| 15:29.43 | RST38h | It did nothing but provide income stream for Symbian |
| 15:29.54 | RST38h | undeserved income too |
| 15:29.55 | Olly | :) |
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| 15:32.52 | Khertan_45872 | Hello ! |
| 15:34.05 | johnx | hello Khertan clone #45872 |
| 15:34.17 | johnx | how is #48573 doing today? |
| 15:35.21 | Khertan_45872 | #48573 command unknow |
| 15:35.24 | Khertan_45872 | :) |
| 15:35.31 | Khertan_45872 | I'm fine and you ? |
| 15:35.47 | johnx | pretty good |
| 15:35.52 | johnx | about to get some sleep |
| 15:35.57 | Khertan_45872 | héhé |
| 15:36.23 | Khertan_45872 | have just get is new phone |
| 15:36.37 | johnx | working better than the old one? |
| 15:36.49 | Khertan_45872 | must wait until 5 December before the line will be activated |
| 15:36.56 | Khertan_45872 | Johnx > don't know yet |
| 15:37.10 | Khertan_45872 | johnx> but the problem wasn't the phone ... but the ISP. |
| 15:37.19 | Khertan_45872 | and i change the both :) |
| 15:37.31 | johnx | ah, well that's a good start |
| 15:37.38 | johnx | I hope this one works out better |
| 15:37.40 | Khertan_45872 | yep ... hoping it ll be better |
| 15:38.19 | Khertan_45872 | i ve now a 6500Slide ... |
| 15:38.23 | Khertan_45872 | not a bad phone |
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| 15:38.43 | Khertan_45872 | i like it to be honest |
| 15:38.44 | Khertan_45872 | simple |
| 15:38.49 | Khertan_45872 | and nice |
| 15:38.55 | johnx | Stskeeps, tried the latest sapwood sapwood from svn with gtk from mer: ./buttonbox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open |
| 15:39.25 | johnx | is that gtk from trunk? or tag? |
| 15:40.25 | qwerty12 | hah, synaptic actually compiles... |
| 15:41.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: get glib too |
| 15:42.16 | johnx | good call |
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| 15:42.39 | johnx | ssh'ed into too many different "ubuntu armel jaunty" machines O_o |
| 15:42.42 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:42.47 | Stskeeps | groans about bzr |
| 15:43.37 | Stskeeps | isn't sure he likes either bzr or launchpad |
| 15:45.56 | johnx | well it runs, still the same obscure message |
| 15:46.13 | johnx | I mean the sapwood error I've been seeing |
| 15:46.20 | johnx | anyways, time for bed |
| 15:46.32 | johnx | 'night all |
| 15:46.35 | aquatix | johnx: nn |
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| 16:19.06 | GAN800 | Refusing to provide an option to disable screen dimming . . . nice |
| 16:19.36 | GAN800 | "The problem really is that our implementation isn't good enough! |
| 16:20.05 | GAN800 | "We'll make it awesome. Swear!" |
| 16:24.22 | Stskeeps | OHM, i believe |
| 16:24.51 | Stskeeps | (and that i'm willing to bet DSME will not have screen dimming as part of it's functionality) |
| 16:25.51 | Stskeeps | as that'd be transferred to ohm prolly :P |
| 16:30.10 | GAN800 | brightness is diferentiation |
| 16:30.15 | GAN800 | So it'll be closee. |
| 16:30.16 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 16:30.20 | GAN800 | s/ee/ed/ |
| 16:30.25 | Stskeeps | yay. :P |
| 16:30.34 | GAN800 | That's why they moved it out of dsme to mce |
| 16:30.44 | GAN800 | Where the fuck is DSME? |
| 16:31.07 | Stskeeps | good question, think they're waiting to coincide it with OHM |
| 16:31.14 | GAN800 | lol @ the Fremantle thread |
| 16:31.29 | Stskeeps | that thread is really going toxic |
| 16:31.39 | GAN800 | it was supposed to be out after the Summit. |
| 16:31.51 | Stskeeps | but i hope git.maemo.org, mer and other projects start seeing more community patches etc |
| 16:32.00 | GAN800 | It dragged out all the retards to contibute their two cents of idiocy. |
| 16:32.01 | Stskeeps | start seeing = make maemo start seeing |
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| 16:35.15 | woglinde | re |
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| 17:02.41 | Jaffa | *tries* to inject some sense into the thread :) |
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| 17:07.40 | GAN800 | Jaffa, unpossible. |
| 17:08.19 | Jaffa | makes GAN800 fail English |
| 17:08.27 | aquatix | plays the mission: unpossible theme |
| 17:08.44 | aquatix | (rather similar to the mission: impossible one) |
| 17:10.03 | GAN800 | Not a typo. |
| 17:12.11 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 17:12.15 | Jaffa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.41 | GAN800 | Even more impossible than impossible. |
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| 17:19.24 | GAN800 | Jaffa, I think the problem really is is that they're not as far along on the five stages as we are. :p |
| 17:19.54 | GAN800 | I've moved on to bargainning 'Let's make a deal . . .' and they're still stuck on anger. ;) |
| 17:20.07 | Jaffa | heh |
| 17:20.16 | Jaffa | 's done anger, and now's just itching for some fun new hardware |
| 17:20.30 | Jaffa | Especially after seeing the Movial OMAP3430 demo from April |
| 17:20.36 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 17:20.53 | GAN800 | OMAP3 is terrifying |
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| 17:21.24 | GAN800 | There's at least one thing to be said for the mobile space these days: it sure is exciting. |
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| 17:23.14 | Jaffa | Blimey. Jaffa Jr. is using the scrollwheel on his mouse. |
| 17:24.32 | woglinde | jaffa haha woglinde jr. is using the scrollwheel of my mouse |
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| 17:27.18 | Jaffa | woglinde: how old is your jr? |
| 17:27.34 | woglinde | 2 years and 4 month |
| 17:27.34 | lopz | hola |
| 17:28.50 | Ro9u3oR | can someone help? i installed usb control but its not working when i connect to the usb port of my n800 |
| 17:29.04 | woglinde | Ro9u3oR I think this applet os broken |
| 17:29.11 | Jaffa | 's is 2.75 |
| 17:30.09 | woglinde | jaffa but since 2 weeks he likes the number 5 |
| 17:30.17 | woglinde | he is searching it on all tinks |
| 17:30.27 | woglinde | things |
| 17:30.33 | Jaffa | heh |
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| 17:31.23 | Ro9u3oR | how can i get it working wog? |
| 17:31.38 | woglinde | Ro9u3oR dont know |
| 17:31.41 | woglinde | didnt look at the code |
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| 17:41.23 | Ro9u3oR | is the usbcontrol app the same as the one in the respiratory |
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| 18:15.40 | Stskeeps | anyone with launchpad/git/bazaar experience? :P |
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| 18:18.17 | mgedmin | Stskeeps: what kind of experience? |
| 18:18.23 | mgedmin | does "using them for 5 minutes" count? |
| 18:23.48 | Stskeeps | hehe. i guess :P which one would seem most appealing for contributing to Maemo like projects? |
| 18:29.44 | mgedmin | not garage.maemo.org? |
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| 18:30.01 | mgedmin | the sourceforge-like UI is horrible, yes, but it's sort of the unofficial official place for it |
| 18:30.20 | mgedmin | launchpad isn't too bad, e.g. the bug tracker doesn't suck so much as the one on garage |
| 18:31.10 | mgedmin | git is faster and more stable, but is, perhaps, a bit harder to use sometimes than bzr |
| 18:31.54 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 18:32.56 | mgedmin | if you want source hosting on launchpad, that may be a reason to use bzr |
| 18:34.01 | Stskeeps | well, let's say you want to contribute to let's say, hildon application manager, - would you then branch the HAM repository and upload your branch to somewhere? how many steps are acceptable? (i mean, compared to uploading your branch to a public_html or the likes, instead of making a launchpad account, etc..) :P |
| 18:35.24 | mgedmin | publishing a git branch is a huge pain, compared to publishing a bzr branch |
| 18:36.09 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:36.30 | mgedmin | I suppose it depends on how much effort you want to invest in learning the tool |
| 18:36.35 | mgedmin | if you want something easy to use, use bzr |
| 18:36.48 | mgedmin | if you want something powerful, use git, and expect to be frustrated initially |
| 18:36.59 | mgedmin | in the past bzr used to frustrate me a lot with its bugs |
| 18:37.05 | mgedmin | having your branch rendered unusable is not fun |
| 18:37.36 | mgedmin | and it's not fun when it happens the second time, a year later, after assurances from bzr fanboys claiming all bugs of that kind have been fixed for years and now it's really really stable |
| 18:37.37 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 18:37.50 | mgedmin | and when it happens the *third* time another year later, you're pretty pissed off |
| 18:37.52 | mgedmin | at least I was |
| 18:38.01 | mgedmin | but that was also about 6 months ago and I haven't tried bzr since |
| 18:38.04 | mgedmin | maybe they fixed everything (ha) |
| 18:38.11 | mgedmin | or maybe I'm just good at triggering bugs |
| 18:38.44 | Stskeeps | i have same issue, like, branching from svn, then figuring out there's settings of the branch structure, and your existing branches can't pull from their upstream :P |
| 18:39.06 | mgedmin | interop with svn opens a whole new can of worms |
| 18:39.17 | mgedmin | and they're all crawling around |
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| 19:52.48 | RST38h | yawn |
| 19:53.02 | aquatix | !coffee RST38h |
| 19:54.07 | RST38h | moos at aquatix |
| 19:54.24 | aquatix | yawns at RST38h |
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| 19:54.55 | Stskeeps | ~curse bzr |
| 19:54.56 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, bzr ! |
| 20:00.48 | RST38h | what's new & exciting? |
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| 21:17.40 | konttori_ | xorAxAx: thanks for the interesting info about the pypy guys. Yeah, psyco is 386 only. Works wonders on python code though. Doubled the perf of my test case. |
| 21:17.55 | konttori_ | just by including two lines of code. |
| 21:18.09 | konttori_ | import psyco and psyco.full() |
| 21:18.57 | konttori_ | but, yeah, pypy should be interesting as well. the psyco guy has also joined pypy forces as far as I know |
| 21:23.55 | Stskeeps | yeah.. pypy really has a lot of potential |
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| 21:24.47 | qwerty12_N800 | can't bring himself to say pypy for some reason |
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| 21:34.32 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: you just did |
| 21:34.33 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:34.58 | Stskeeps | wonders what g_nokia.ko will do |
| 21:35.50 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, ORLY? hehe, i'll give you the point ;) but prouncing it sounds odd :p |
| 21:35.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i think you know :p |
| 21:36.01 | aquatix | yep |
| 21:36.13 | aquatix | i say it like pie pie |
| 21:36.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. well, ok, implement pc suite protocol |
| 21:36.25 | aquatix | hmmmm, pie... |
| 21:36.32 | Stskeeps | (does this mean sane sync?) |
| 21:37.50 | qwerty12_N800 | makes a note to get transmission to use the default hildon icons, gtk ones suck |
| 21:38.32 | Stskeeps | wonders why on earth maemo gets booted into while charging, instead of doing it in initfs.. |
| 21:39.57 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: do you really want to know? :P sometimes ignorance is quite a bliss :) |
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| 21:40.38 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i hoped it was cos then it would be instant to switch from charging mode to maemo actually running, but it doesn't seem to do that.. also, initfs size could be a factor |
| 21:40.51 | Stskeeps | .. or worst, they want to use sound when it's charged |
| 21:40.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:48.18 | konttori_ | probably some parts of power management are done at kernel level |
| 21:48.35 | konttori_ | and by power management, I mean charging management |
| 21:49.12 | Stskeeps | ah, i was talking about it from UI point of view |
| 21:49.26 | Stskeeps | that the charging animation actually happens inside X |
| 21:49.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 21:52.10 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: you see the text below animation? |
| 21:52.39 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: now consider the initfs has uClibc without locales.. |
| 21:53.05 | qwerty12_N800 | hah >.< |
| 21:55.07 | RST38h | An Italian right-wing party is offering 1500 euros to parents who name their babies after wartime fascist dictator Benito Mussolini or his wife Rachele, saying their names are under threat. |
| 21:55.29 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: ah. |
| 21:55.36 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: yes, some things i'd not like to know |
| 21:56.23 | RST38h | A worker at a Wal-Mart in Long Island, New York, was killed when a throng of shoppers broke down the doors to the store early this morning and knocked him to the ground. |
| 21:57.41 | doc|home | really? |
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| 22:00.00 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, and a pregnant woman lost her baby as well |
| 22:00.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Greedy motherfuckers. |
| 22:01.39 | Stskeeps | economic crisis, eh :P |
| 22:02.56 | aquatix | well, pumping some money around only helps |
| 22:03.03 | aquatix | but consumers are weird |
| 22:03.26 | RST38h | Darwin at work. He never sleeps. |
| 22:03.41 | RST38h | For the first time, Planned Parenthood in Indiana is offering gift certificates. The organization said a big increase in calls and visits from newly unemployed and uninsured Hoosiers prompted what it calls the unusual, yet practical gift option. |
| 22:05.37 | doc|home | aquatix: only helps as long as they can afford it. Credit cards don't count. |
| 22:05.46 | RST38h | Sts: Here go the babies |
| 22:06.13 | qwerty12_N800 | For those who really can't afford tablet getting shut off by mce so soon : dbus-send --system --type=signal /com/nokia/bme/signal com.nokia.bme.signal.battery_full :P |
| 22:06.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i've had deblet run my tablet down to a vegetative state |
| 22:06.42 | RST38h | qwerty: How much extra time does it give? =) |
| 22:06.46 | Stskeeps | had to pull battery after it died |
| 22:07.35 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, no idea :P. but useful if you need to finish quickly typing something.., |
| 22:07.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, heh |
| 22:08.30 | RST38h | Speaking of dbus...Is there a list of system dbus messages somewhere? |
| 22:08.44 | RST38h | I mean, messages accepted by all the standard firmware stuff |
| 22:10.16 | aquatix | doc|home: myeah, the US economy is weird as everything is on a loan (see credit cards instead of debit cards) |
| 22:10.46 | doc|home | aquatix: so is its currency, it all has to get paid back at some stage |
| 22:10.53 | RST38h | That is not economy, that is stupidity |
| 22:10.59 | doc|home | yup |
| 22:11.32 | doc|home | that's what happens when you have a federal reserve that cuts interest rates to nothing and a government which gives out money to stimulate the economy |
| 22:11.43 | RST38h | wonders whether this will eventually end up with indentured servitude |
| 22:11.54 | doc|home | RST38h: what do you think the national debt is? |
| 22:12.22 | doc|home | sorry, that sounded confrontational, it wasn't meant to |
| 22:12.48 | RST38h | I actually mean literal indentured servitude |
| 22:13.19 | RST38h | Where debtor's life eventually becomes the property of his lender |
| 22:13.39 | doc|home | aren't people already in that position with taxes and the government? |
| 22:13.44 | RST38h | No |
| 22:13.55 | doc|home | you have the choice of not paying taxes? |
| 22:14.18 | RST38h | You pay taxes for the right to live in a country to which you pay taxes |
| 22:14.34 | RST38h | Don't like it? Move somewhere else |
| 22:14.41 | doc|home | not really, even if you decide to sell all your assets to leave the US you're forced to pay an even bigger cut to the government |
| 22:14.59 | doc|home | and where else is there that doesn't have taxes? |
| 22:15.12 | RST38h | Well, that is your task to find |
| 22:15.22 | Stskeeps | anarctica? :P |
| 22:15.25 | Stskeeps | the moon? :P |
| 22:15.28 | doc|home | sure, just like finding a master who won't whip me |
| 22:15.49 | RST38h | As to leaving US, I am aquainted with the law and if you get rid of US citizenship you do not need to pay US taxes |
| 22:16.10 | RST38h | If you live outside US but retain citizenship, you only need to pay taxes on anything above $80k |
| 22:16.20 | doc|home | there's a law, or at least a plan for a law, to force you to pay X years taxes if you give up citizen ship |
| 22:16.23 | RST38h | Sts: Somali will probably do the job |
| 22:16.37 | RST38h | doc: When it becomes a law, let me know |
| 22:16.41 | doc|home | not sure why he put a space in there |
| 22:16.44 | doc|home | RST38h: ... |
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| 22:27.41 | RST38h | The two penguins have started placing stones at the feet of parents before waddling away with their eggs, in a bid to hide their theft... But the deception has been noticed by other penguins at the zoo, who have ostracised the gay couple from their group. |
| 22:29.03 | RST38h | DailyRotten is heavy on parenting tonight |
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| 23:34.00 | AStorm | hmm |
| 23:34.08 | univac_ | siema AStorm |
| 23:34.25 | univac_ | masz n-ke? ;d |
| 23:34.30 | AStorm | this channel is in English last I heard :> |
| 23:34.41 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:35.03 | univac_ | 810? |
| 23:35.17 | AStorm | yes, so? |
| 23:35.24 | univac_ | 2 ;p |
| 23:35.44 | AStorm | I'd like some more info about getting maemo to start öy init script |
| 23:35.47 | AStorm | *my |
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| 23:37.01 | AStorm | I wrote one, dumped it into init.d, added proper symlinks from rc.<somenumber> |
| 23:37.10 | AStorm | yet it still isn't started |
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| 23:40.38 | samr7 | hello all |
| 23:40.43 | AStorm | hi |
| 23:40.56 | samr7 | hi astorm |
| 23:41.14 | samr7 | I'm developing an audio application |
| 23:41.25 | AStorm | hmm, with my ondemand settings on, fennec is much more snappy |
| 23:41.39 | samr7 | and am looking for some explanations of how sound works on Maemo |
| 23:41.55 | AStorm | loves its clickzoom |
| 23:42.03 | samr7 | ex: does Skype have good quality audio? |
| 23:42.12 | AStorm | well, it's mostly esound on top of alsa |
| 23:42.18 | AStorm | good enough |
| 23:42.24 | samr7 | it's full duplex? |
| 23:42.27 | AStorm | although it uses a subpar codec |
| 23:42.40 | AStorm | uhm... there would be no point in half duplex |
| 23:42.48 | samr7 | lol, good |
| 23:42.56 | samr7 | does it provide good sound latency? |
| 23:43.02 | AStorm | i's skype 1.4 |
| 23:43.03 | samr7 | what backend does it use, ESD? |
| 23:43.05 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:43.11 | AStorm | no idea |
| 23:43.15 | AStorm | probably esd |
| 23:43.34 | AStorm | can't use alsa directly while esound is active |
| 23:43.43 | AStorm | might be using gstreamer though |
| 23:43.49 | samr7 | ah.. |
| 23:43.51 | AStorm | but I don't think so |
| 23:44.20 | samr7 | everybody is telling me that ALSA is not the way to go, because of how the DSP driver is implemented |
| 23:44.44 | samr7 | and that ESD works a lot better |
| 23:44.54 | AStorm | well, esd has a dsp resampler |
| 23:45.06 | AStorm | which is faster than alsa's |
| 23:45.29 | AStorm | and approx. same quality |
| 23:46.02 | AStorm | what I find intriguing is how they hacked esd to provide reasonable latency |
| 23:46.11 | AStorm | it's not meant for that |
| 23:47.35 | samr7 | hmmm |
| 23:47.42 | samr7 | looks up the maemo ESD source code |
| 23:48.55 | samr7 | ESD certainly blows chunks using ALSA |
| 23:49.04 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:49.06 | samr7 | can't even get it to stream full-duplex without skipping |
| 23:49.12 | derf | AStorm: Do you know what the latency of the gstreamer interface is? |
| 23:49.24 | AStorm | no idea |
| 23:49.29 | AStorm | test it |
| 23:49.38 | AStorm | not bad though apparently |
| 23:49.47 | derf | Test it with what. |
| 23:50.06 | AStorm | derf, uhm, try full loopback? |
| 23:50.20 | AStorm | and measure time difference |
| 23:50.27 | AStorm | or try small buffers |
| 23:50.29 | derf | That sounds like work :) |
| 23:50.36 | AStorm | and seee when it starts to skip |
| 23:51.03 | AStorm | samr7, this maemo ALSA interface it a bit weird |
| 23:51.21 | AStorm | it looks like 3 sound cards |
| 23:51.33 | samr7 | ? |
| 23:51.38 | samr7 | to which application? |
| 23:52.07 | AStorm | ... |
| 23:52.12 | AStorm | to everything |
| 23:52.19 | AStorm | see /dev/sound |
| 23:53.03 | samr7 | what does 'aplay -l' think? |
| 23:53.49 | samr7 | alsa-lib is very inconsistent about how it presents devices and plugin configurations, and they need to clean it up |
| 23:54.26 | samr7 | doesn't actually have access to an N8x0 |
| 23:54.58 | AStorm | ok, I'll check |
| 23:55.12 | AStorm | no aplay |
| 23:55.28 | AStorm | well, I'll see if there are alsa-utils in repo |
| 23:55.55 | AStorm | nope |
| 23:56.07 | samr7 | hmmm |
| 23:56.23 | AStorm | let me send you /proc/asound/cards |
| 23:56.31 | samr7 | it's got one of those?? |
| 23:56.47 | AStorm | hmm |
| 23:56.48 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:56.50 | samr7 | which platform are you using? |
| 23:56.56 | AStorm | n810 |
| 23:57.02 | AStorm | diablo |
| 23:57.10 | AStorm | it's 2.6.21-omap |
| 23:57.18 | AStorm | there's but one device |
| 23:57.32 | AStorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.57 | AStorm | which is full-duplex I guess |
| 23:58.12 | samr7 | interesting! |
| 23:58.26 | samr7 | is that a dummy device maybe? |
| 23:58.33 | samr7 | what's in /dev/snd/ ? |
| 23:59.07 | samr7 | I thought ALSA support was implemented using an alsa-lib plugin that connected to their private, non-ALSA kernel DSP interface |
| 23:59.25 | AStorm | nothing except controlC0 |
| 23:59.37 | samr7 | ah, so it's a mixer plugin only |
| 23:59.40 | AStorm | so it bypasses alsa and writes through dsp itself |
| 23:59.50 | AStorm | sneaky bastards |
