| 00:11.47 | l7 | are those ipaq cases still being sold new? |
| 00:12.04 | l7 | if they're cheaper it might be a nice deal |
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| 00:22.40 | l7 | has anyone noticed a difference between the internal and external slot on the n800 in terms of performanceeeeee or reliability, etc? |
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| 00:30.58 | Proteous | yeah, my external slot is filled with pocket lint, it seems to slow the transfer speed down to about 0 |
| 00:34.52 | johnx | I usually put sd cards in it instead of pocket lint, but it's your choice |
| 00:37.13 | l7 | heh |
| 00:37.16 | Proteous | I tried to put an sd card in there but the lint got in the way |
| 00:37.30 | Proteous | then I tried a microSDHC card |
| 00:37.37 | Proteous | it fit but it wouldn't mount |
| 00:37.42 | johnx | heh :P |
| 00:38.10 | l7 | if you're that paranoid about lint you could put some tape around the external slot |
| 00:39.06 | johnx | to keep the lint from getting out? :D |
| 00:39.10 | Proteous | I just shrinkwrapped my whole IT |
| 00:39.11 | soap | I haven't seen any read/write numbers on the internal memory, but I would hope it is decently (>10MB/s) fast. |
| 00:39.23 | l7 | to keep the linux from getting out :) |
| 00:39.27 | Proteous | heh |
| 00:40.02 | l7 | i heard somewhere that linux will escape into the wild or get into your other devices if you're not careful |
| 00:40.21 | johnx | it's because the GPL is a viral license |
| 00:40.33 | johnx | soap, I think it's a little lower |
| 00:40.58 | l7 | maybe the GPL has cooties |
| 00:41.07 | l7 | freedom cooties |
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| 00:45.20 | zakkm | how usable is Maemo-R on a user level? |
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| 00:46.04 | johnx | zakkm, right now? for normal users? not really usable yet |
| 00:46.16 | zakkm | heard deblet gives really poor battery life |
| 00:46.34 | zakkm | and battery life is really important to me, so i dont want to use that |
| 00:46.45 | zakkm | i mean after install... |
| 00:47.06 | zakkm | im sure its alot of dev stuff to get it installed.. but i mean like does things work and stuff |
| 00:47.10 | johnx | it's a problem of lots of things running that keep the CPU awake |
| 00:47.30 | johnx | and the answer is no, it's less usable than deblet right now |
| 00:47.37 | zakkm | i want to use fvwm-crystal, and deblet seemed so nice |
| 00:48.01 | johnx | heh...the problem is all the user software running that keeps the CPU awake |
| 00:48.03 | zakkm | but GeneralAntilles said the battery life on idle is only like 12 hours |
| 00:48.15 | zakkm | so fvwm-crystal will be fine you think? |
| 00:48.16 | johnx | in fact fvwm might even be one of the contributing factors |
| 00:48.18 | zakkm | not that hungry |
| 00:48.32 | johnx | it's not a question of CPU usage |
| 00:48.50 | johnx | think about it this way: 100% CPU usage in 1 second wastes less power than 1% constantly for 100 seconds |
| 00:49.03 | johnx | that low grade constant usage is what shortens the standby time |
| 00:49.16 | zakkm | o |
| 00:49.30 | zakkm | what about a shorter timing? |
| 00:49.32 | johnx | Nokia has spent a lot of time optimizing the software in maemo to not wake up the CPU when it's not needed |
| 00:49.52 | zakkm | :( |
| 00:49.56 | zakkm | so its totally hopeless? |
| 00:50.12 | johnx | well, you could use software suspend in deblet |
| 00:50.28 | johnx | instead of leaving the tablet on all the time you could use "suspend to ram" |
| 00:50.32 | zakkm | i saw a old fvwm-crystal in show your screenshots ( vnc of course.. ) and it looked so cool, used it on desktop quite a bit |
| 00:50.41 | zakkm | and i bought my n800, hoping one day i could use it |
| 00:50.51 | zakkm | wouldnt that take alot of cpu to use? |
| 00:51.01 | johnx | hmm? |
| 00:51.09 | zakkm | the "suspend to ram" takes awhile doesnt it? |
| 00:51.21 | johnx | "suspend to ram" ... not really. it would take maybe up to 5 seconds |
| 00:51.32 | johnx | I think it's less though |
| 00:52.19 | zakkm | is maemo reconstruct going to have proper battery life, sorry with the 20 questions. |
| 00:52.42 | johnx | no way to tell until it's done |
| 00:52.47 | johnx | but that is the goal |
| 00:53.10 | zakkm | i really want to use fvwm-crystal :( |
| 00:53.18 | johnx | have you tried it? |
| 00:53.27 | zakkm | on desktop, roughly a year ago |
| 00:53.31 | zakkm | never on nokia |
| 00:53.36 | johnx | I mean, have you tried using desktop software on a tiny touchscreen with your fingers |
| 00:53.44 | zakkm | no |
| 00:53.45 | johnx | to be honest it's a pain |
| 00:53.49 | zakkm | i stay away from abiword and stuff |
| 00:53.54 | zakkm | thats why i want a wm, not a DE :P |
| 00:54.00 | zakkm | i think gnome is ridicous on it ;p |
| 00:54.08 | zakkm | but i thought a WM wouldnt be half bad |
| 00:54.11 | johnx | not the processing power required, but actually interacting with it |
| 00:54.44 | zakkm | i know, thats what im talking about |
| 00:55.07 | zakkm | gnome and stuff requrie alot of screen space, WM's dont ;p |
| 00:55.18 | johnx | right, and I'm saying that using a normal WM with a finger or stylus is a pain :) |
| 00:55.25 | zakkm | i lost my stylus |
| 00:55.35 | johnx | never had one myself |
| 00:55.36 | zakkm | so i have to use finger, though i always did anyways |
| 00:56.14 | zakkm | would you happen to know, if i have a download going in microb |
| 00:56.18 | johnx | looking at fvwm-crystal, I think it would be a huge pain to try and use that with my fingers. lxde/openbox is pretty similar |
| 00:56.22 | zakkm | how i can close the window of the site, and keep the download going |
| 00:56.36 | zakkm | openbox is empty first of all |
| 00:56.47 | zakkm | lxde is a desktop ;p |
| 00:57.05 | johnx | yeah, it takes up about as much screen space as fvwm-crystal |
| 00:57.22 | johnx | and I think you have to leave at least one microb window open |
| 00:57.42 | zakkm | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2021/2173422430_5f95c04329.jpg?v=0 |
| 00:57.53 | johnx | ahaha |
| 00:58.01 | johnx | that would be insane to use on an actual tablet :) |
| 00:58.03 | zakkm | that was the one on the itt forum |
| 00:58.32 | johnx | all those tiny buttons |
| 00:58.46 | zakkm | maemo is getting boring ;p |
| 00:59.04 | johnx | the only problem is it's just better than the alternatives |
| 00:59.27 | johnx | just *try* deblet and install fvwm-crystal and if you actually enjoy it, then worry about how to work on battery life |
| 01:00.07 | johnx | some kind of "suspend-to-RAM" setup should be completely possible |
| 01:00.09 | zakkm | would take alot to try, just the way i dont have wifi at home and stuff |
| 01:00.29 | johnx | then I guess you're out of luck |
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| 02:55.54 | joyious | Hi, could some tell me does n810 support overlay framebuffer ? |
| 02:56.28 | johnx | I believe so |
| 02:58.13 | joyious | johnx: Can you tell me more about this ? |
| 03:00.31 | johnx | I'm afraid I don't know very much about it |
| 03:01.24 | joyious | Oh, all right, I guess maybe i have to read the source code |
| 03:02.17 | johnx | depending on what you want to do, there might be a library already available |
| 03:03.32 | joyious | I just what to playing some video and show the ui on top of it |
| 03:04.48 | johnx | libxv might be good to look at |
| 03:05.51 | joyious | But I'm not using X here, we are using directfb on n810 |
| 03:08.51 | johnx | in that case you might want to look at the maemo mplayer source code. I believe it can output directly to the framebuffer, so it likely has similar code to what you're working on |
| 03:10.01 | joyious | thanks a lot, i'll check that |
| 03:10.17 | johnx | http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 03:18.13 | soap | anyone use one of these cases? |
| 03:18.14 | soap | http://cgi.ebay.com/NOKIA-N810-WiMAX-EDITION-GPS-PROTECTIVE-CARRYING-CASE_W0QQitemZ360107993505QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item360107993505&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 |
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| 03:31.32 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: You keep fixing bugs faster than I can |
| 03:32.24 | johnx | yeah, he does that to everyone O_o |
| 03:32.39 | fiferboy | It's not fair! I want to patch transmission |
| 03:33.46 | johnx | you need to find projects he's not interested in and then don't tell him about them |
| 03:33.52 | johnx | that's about the only way I think :) |
| 03:34.08 | fiferboy | I would try to fix things when he's asleep, but I don't think he sleeps |
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| 07:04.43 | Stskeeps | yawn |
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| 07:06.05 | Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 |
| 07:06.14 | qwerty12 | hey, morning Stskeeps |
| 07:06.27 | Stskeeps | retries building hildon-thumbnail |
| 07:06.40 | Stskeeps | doing things by the book sure takes time. |
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| 07:11.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what really confirms your intelligence is posts like this: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25216 |
| 07:13.14 | qwerty12 | Well, to be fair, he is 3 years younger than me :) |
| 07:13.34 | qwerty12 | (apologies if I come off as conceited) |
| 07:13.34 | Stskeeps | still |
| 07:13.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:14.20 | Stskeeps | but yeah, logs from 13 to 15 of me on irc was miles apart |
| 07:16.35 | RST38h | Anyone needs confirming his intelligence? |
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| 07:17.01 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 07:17.21 | Stskeeps | had a lousy coder self esteem when he was growing up |
| 07:17.28 | Stskeeps | which is why i grew up to be a karma whore |
| 07:24.03 | RST38h | Do you at least do it for lulz? =) |
| 07:24.51 | Stskeeps | fame and fortune |
| 07:24.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:25.04 | Stskeeps | curses ubuntu's old vala version |
| 07:26.44 | Myrtti | dear GOD what am I doing awake |
| 07:26.57 | Myrtti | no, wait. it's already 0930 EET |
| 07:27.00 | Myrtti | nvm, continue |
| 07:27.14 | hahlobit | what is average age of tableteers? seems young |
| 07:28.34 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: a poll on iTT seems like it's quite evenly distributed |
| 07:28.53 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=80 |
| 07:30.19 | hahlobit | i just turned 50 and hardly see these small letters in deblet's xterm :P |
| 07:30.38 | Myrtti | hahlobit: ah, 50. I was just about to have my age crisis again. |
| 07:30.42 | Stskeeps | it isn't exactly optimized for small displays :P |
| 07:30.47 | Myrtti | thanks for making me feel young. |
| 07:30.52 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: 40? |
| 07:30.59 | Stskeeps | ducks from flying objects |
| 07:32.21 | hahlobit | Myrtti: is young and beautiful |
| 07:32.33 | Myrtti | starts to throw inanimate objects, starting from "Learning Python"-book to wrinkle cream bottles and huge scented candles |
| 07:32.57 | Myrtti | hahlobit: thank you ^___^ |
| 07:33.36 | Stskeeps | oh, a learning python book wouldn't be bad :P |
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| 07:35.33 | Myrtti | chucks a bag full of guinea pig poo, emacs pocket reference and some feminist literature too |
| 07:36.09 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 07:37.42 | Stskeeps | puts on some slagsmÄlsklubben and gets ready for several hours of HCI report writing..:( |
| 07:37.58 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: maemos gtk conflicts with lxdes packages :( |
| 07:38.06 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: thought so |
| 07:38.11 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how btw? |
| 07:38.13 | Stskeeps | please do document |
| 07:38.17 | Meiz_n810 | check jaiku |
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| 07:38.36 | Stskeeps | oh, you need to have the glib from maemo too |
| 07:38.47 | Stskeeps | maemo/mer |
| 07:39.03 | Stskeeps | (why of all things they didn't contibute that part to upstream, i'm not sure.) |
| 07:39.17 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 07:39.39 | Meiz_n810 | if its only that, i'll remove that jaiku? |
| 07:39.47 | Stskeeps | yeah, fine |
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| 07:42.08 | Myrtti | jaiku? jaiku? where is a jaiku? oh. Browser. Does it really show I've slept only two hours? no. sorry. |
| 07:42.22 | Myrtti | sips more coffee |
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| 08:19.04 | Stskeeps | hums along to nine inch nails - la mer |
| 08:22.20 | Myrtti | thank Gaia, I didn't kill the conversation |
| 08:23.03 | Stskeeps | i went to get coffee |
| 08:23.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 08:53.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:53.45 | X-Fade | morning |
| 08:54.38 | Stskeeps | morn |
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| 08:55.18 | makak | Hi ! |
| 08:56.03 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 09:05.40 | Stskeeps | ponders if mamona devel stalled completely |
| 09:10.30 | RST38h | Hehe, Nokia has announced the first crisis-related change of plans |
| 09:10.36 | RST38h | And the victim is... (guess) |
| 09:11.02 | Khertan_WebIrc5 | Hello |
| 09:11.34 | Stskeeps | RST38h: maemo? :P |
| 09:11.42 | RST38h | Incredibly, no |
| 09:11.48 | X-Fade | Japan :) |
| 09:11.51 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 09:11.55 | RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/11/nokia-exits-japan.jpg |
| 09:12.04 | RST38h | X-Fade <-- read his Gizmodo, apparently |
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| 09:12.24 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, engadget ;) |
| 09:12.31 | RST38h | ah |
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| 09:13.39 | RST38h | ...and Christmas in Somali: http://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/0001tpqx |
| 09:14.04 | Stskeeps | japanese christmas, too |
| 09:14.29 | RST38h | Japanese is here: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/3046765685_f0f662d3bb_o.jpg (notice the difference: NO GUN) |
| 09:14.52 | Stskeeps | http://gizmodo.com/5099616/obama-looking-for-ways-to-hold-onto-his-blackberry <- talk about addiction.. |
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| 09:16.12 | RST38h | Sts: The real question is: Is this going to be easier for him than making Congress declare war on Iraq? =) |
| 09:16.57 | Stskeeps | give him a tablet.. :P |
| 09:17.21 | RST38h | btw, not a bad solution |
| 09:17.35 | RST38h | at least if they have got a wifi router nearby |
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| 09:18.21 | Myrtti | blackberry ewwwww |
| 09:20.48 | RST38h | is it still Java only and uses text console for some of its apps? |
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| 09:30.43 | inz | Myrtti, you do know they come in pink? |
| 09:30.56 | Myrtti | inz: blackberry ewww. |
| 09:31.10 | inz | ^^ |
| 09:31.33 | Myrtti | Asus One also comes in pink. I still want a Dell mini. |
| 09:31.38 | Myrtti | or MSI wind. |
| 09:31.59 | Myrtti | (which also come in pink) |
| 09:33.54 | aquatix | ooh, netbooks |
| 09:34.03 | aquatix | Myrtti: be sure to try the keyboard before you buy one |
| 09:34.23 | aquatix | i noticed some have really crappy (read: slightly too small) keyboards |
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| 09:45.30 | RST38h | how can it have a large keyboard? |
| 09:45.44 | RST38h | just buy yourself a real subnotebook |
| 09:47.44 | aquatix | RST38h: well, of course it depends on the size of the netbook, but for example to 10" Acer One has a way better kb than the 10" Eee imho |
| 09:48.08 | aquatix | but maybe it was the 9" Eee i tried (they looked about as large though) |
| 09:50.49 | RST38h | only the LCD size changes |
| 09:50.56 | RST38h | they have all got a huge bezel though |
| 09:51.11 | RST38h | almost as ugly as Lenovo Thinkpads |
| 09:58.12 | Meiz_n810 | Aspire one has crap batterylife |
| 09:58.44 | aquatix | the Samsung NC10 seems really nice |
| 09:58.55 | aquatix | as in: decent design, *good* battery life |
| 09:59.05 | aquatix | might get one |
| 09:59.09 | makak | I have a kohjinsha for myself, and if it has a 7" lcd screen, it has a really good keyboard for its size ... so, the size of a keyboard don't make the whole thing |
| 09:59.26 | RST38h | aquatix: Toshiba R600 |
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| 09:59.54 | RST38h | aquatix: lighter than most "netbooks" and a real computer too |
| 10:00.20 | RST38h | http://explore.toshiba.com/laptops/portege/R600 |
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| 10:02.08 | aquatix | was looking at the Dell XPS M1330 yesterday |
| 10:02.14 | aquatix | 13" regular laptop |
| 10:02.20 | aquatix | comes with Ubuntu even :) |
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| 10:07.01 | RST38h | regular as in "4+ pounds"? |
| 10:11.29 | RST38h | Weight: Starting at 3.97 lbs, Height: 2.31cm 3.38cm -- naaah |
| 10:13.46 | aquatix | yeah, but that's of course not the same class as a netbook |
| 10:14.03 | RST38h | Too heavy, too large |
| 10:14.04 | aquatix | it'll be an interesting candidate for replacing my 4.5 year old 15" laptop though |
| 10:14.10 | aquatix | well |
| 10:14.14 | aquatix | depends really |
| 10:14.28 | RST38h | Nope. 4lbs is too heavy :) |
| 10:14.38 | RST38h | Especially after you used a 2lbs laptop |
| 10:15.02 | aquatix | except that you can't work for 8 hours straight on a 2lbs laptop without inducing all kinds of pains |
| 10:15.16 | aquatix | i can work all day for weeks on this 15" machine |
| 10:16.16 | RST38h | I can |
| 10:16.35 | RST38h | The Porteges have a full sized keyboard, they are no netbooks |
| 10:16.54 | RST38h | Just very thin and light |
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| 10:21.00 | aquatix | 12"? |
| 10:21.09 | aquatix | that sounds ok |
| 10:21.18 | aquatix | they're a tad expensive though |
| 10:22.52 | aquatix | i also like the Samsung X360: http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/28/samsung-debuts-x360-lighter-than-air-ultraportable/ |
| 10:23.28 | aquatix | 2.8lbs is fine with me |
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| 10:27.47 | aquatix | RST38h: you have an ssd in yours? |
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| 10:28.39 | aquatix | RST38h: what battery life does it have in real life btw? |
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| 11:16.20 | lardman | morning |
| 11:16.45 | johnx | mornin' lardman |
| 11:16.55 | lardman | hi johnx |
| 11:17.05 | Stskeeps | morning johnx |
| 11:17.11 | johnx | ah, hello Stskeeps |
| 11:17.24 | inz | greetflood! |
| 11:17.42 | Myrtti | co-co-combo braker |
| 11:18.01 | johnx | rebasing to jaunty to see if somehow sapwood magically works on my zaurus now |
| 11:18.06 | Stskeeps | oki |
| 11:18.47 | Stskeeps | is doing focus shift analysis for HCI course :( |
| 11:18.53 | Stskeeps | and compiling away on osso-gwobex |
| 11:19.43 | johnx | and I might try to get bluetooth networking up on my wii. anything that just sits there in standby so often should at least be a build box |
| 11:19.52 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:21.22 | Stskeeps | i'm getting closer to where you have the experience of the packages.. and i just made something to speed up armel builder a bit (disable man page building..) |
| 11:22.42 | johnx | does that actually save much time? |
| 11:22.54 | Stskeeps | yeah, cos man page building tages ages |
| 11:22.58 | Stskeeps | i run with clean chroots so |
| 11:23.08 | johnx | aaah |
| 11:23.20 | johnx | yeah, that hurts, but you really need it |
| 11:23.21 | Stskeeps | the ways is basically, bzr branch <maemo svn>, verify if they have autogen.sh, add autoconf, automake, libtool to build-dep's and make sure they call autoconf before ./configure, add changelog entry, bzr commit -m "change message", bzr push lp:~johnx/m-r/<package name> .. and tell 'build lp:~johnx/m-r/<package name> <source pkg name>' on #merbuilder |
| 11:23.26 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:23.50 | Stskeeps | well it's obviously needed in user interfacing, but not in a buildd :) |
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| 11:24.15 | johnx | alright, I'll start picking up packaging again in a bit |
| 11:24.17 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:24.20 | johnx | thanks for the executive summary :) |
| 11:24.33 | Stskeeps | call autoconf = call autogen.sh |
| 11:25.58 | johnx | ah, right |
| 11:28.47 | Stskeeps | i've had to resort to 3.0.9 of hildon thumbnail as the current package is a bit broken (and unreleased) |
| 11:28.57 | Stskeeps | woo, osso-gwobex done for armel |
| 11:29.17 | Stskeeps | i can recommend working out of a jaunty debootstrap on i386 |
| 11:29.21 | Stskeeps | in a chroot |
| 11:29.32 | Stskeeps | saves time in checking if things build /build-deps are satisfiable, etc |
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| 11:33.13 | `Mace | good evening |
| 11:33.17 | `Mace | morning.. whatever |
| 11:33.19 | Stskeeps | evening |
| 11:33.24 | johnx | mornin' |
| 11:33.24 | `Mace | hi Stskeeps |
| 11:33.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: also a bomb isn't always fatal on armel builder - sometimes there are just not any arch-dep package to build |
| 11:33.58 | Stskeeps | (i386 takes care of this) |
| 11:34.03 | Stskeeps | the indep ones |
| 11:34.22 | `Mace | my poor p3/500 is getting hammered right now :) |
| 11:34.29 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:34.34 | `Mace | wait... DUAL p3/500 |
| 11:34.37 | Stskeeps | what are you doing to it? |
| 11:34.44 | `Mace | you don't even want to know |
| 11:34.58 | `Mace | :) too much.. little thing is a champ tho |
| 11:35.09 | Stskeeps | is building quite a bit on i386 and qemu builder |
| 11:35.15 | `Mace | that reminds me.. i need to set up my n800.rancorous.net page |
| 11:35.23 | Stskeeps | `Mace: were you Macer or how was it? |
| 11:35.25 | `Mace | i was going to wait until january tho |
| 11:35.27 | `Mace | yes |
| 11:35.30 | Stskeeps | ah, alright |
| 11:35.53 | `Mace | apache is up and running.. i've just been a lazy bastard.. i was going to wait until my son left to stay with his mother |
| 11:36.15 | `Mace | it's hard to work on a web site when you have to watch a 2 yr old by yourself ;) |
| 11:36.31 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:37.07 | `Mace | i have the vhost all set up. the dir and space is there.. i just have to make the actual site |
| 11:37.41 | `Mace | which i'm sure i'm horrible at :) |
| 11:37.48 | `Mace | it's probably going to look very bad haha |
| 11:38.01 | Stskeeps | gah.. power just went on my builder server |
| 11:38.01 | Stskeeps | #€"! |
| 11:38.08 | `Mace | heh |
| 11:38.12 | Stskeeps | and the rest of the hall |
| 11:38.12 | `Mace | that's why i got a monster ups |
| 11:38.31 | Stskeeps | `Mace: read what me and johnx and others are working on these days? |
| 11:39.50 | `Mace | not for a while.. i've kinda been out of things for a bit |
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| 11:39.57 | `Mace | spending more time with my gf when i can |
| 11:40.08 | Stskeeps | hehe.. mine is home this week too |
| 11:40.10 | `Mace | you know... n800 or sex... it's an easy choice ;) |
| 11:40.33 | `Mace | mine is a chicago police officer |
| 11:40.44 | `Mace | she's actually at work now... pulling over thanksgiving eve drunks |
| 11:40.46 | Stskeeps | ..easy? :P |
| 11:40.55 | `Mace | haha |
| 11:41.06 | `Mace | for me it is :) i don't th ink i've touched my n800 in 2 weeks |
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| 11:41.32 | `Mace | i was going to buy a popcornhour a-110 and n810 soon... i think it's time to retire the n800 |
| 11:41.51 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ |
| 11:41.51 | `Mace | might just sell it to someone or put it up on ebay |
| 11:41.58 | `Mace | er |
| 11:42.04 | `Mace | that's a lot of web sites :) |
| 11:42.04 | Stskeeps | -> Mer |
| 11:42.08 | Stskeeps | er, Mace |
| 11:42.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, but brief to look through :P |
| 11:42.28 | Stskeeps | last page tells what Mer is |
| 11:42.45 | `Mace | Mer? |
| 11:42.48 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:42.58 | Stskeeps | deblet successor, really :P |
| 11:43.00 | aquatix | Stskeeps: gqview \o/ |
| 11:43.09 | Stskeeps | aquatix: hehe, johnx's choice ;) |
| 11:43.21 | aquatix | my fave on the desktop/laptop |
| 11:43.27 | `Mace | why Mer? :) |
| 11:43.30 | aquatix | toolbar seems a bit off in that screenshot though |
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| 11:43.51 | Stskeeps | `Mace: Ocean in french, or 'More' in danish.. or a reference to Nine Inch Nails - La Mer |
| 11:43.54 | Stskeeps | :p |
| 11:43.56 | Stskeeps | also |
| 11:43.57 | Stskeeps | we called it M-R before |
| 11:43.58 | Stskeeps | so |
| 11:44.24 | Stskeeps | (short for Maemo Reconstructed, which we can't call it.) |
| 11:44.39 | Jaffa | Hmm, resolution of #3470 is intersting |
| 11:44.47 | aquatix | NiN \o/ |
| 11:44.54 | aquatix | sorry, i'm off to work again already ;) |
| 11:45.08 | `Mace | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png |
| 11:45.12 | `Mace | that looks kinda ugly ;) |
| 11:45.14 | aquatix | enqueues some NiN |
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| 11:45.28 | Stskeeps | `Mace: not polished |
| 11:45.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:45.35 | `Mace | haha.. i figured ;) |
| 11:45.39 | aquatix | `Mace: the font is a bit large too |
| 11:45.40 | `Mace | so what has happened to deblet? |
| 11:45.57 | Stskeeps | `Mace: realization power management wasn't going to get better without acting like maemo |
| 11:46.15 | `Mace | so you are building ubuntu on top of maemo? |
| 11:46.25 | Stskeeps | nop, maemo on top of minimal ubuntu base |
| 11:46.39 | Stskeeps | we hope to be able to switch between maemo UI and desktop UI without issue |
| 11:46.46 | `Mace | you should do it the other way around like PB's kde install ;) |
| 11:46.51 | johnx | `Mace, gqview isn't hildonized though I'd love it if someone did :) |
| 11:47.05 | Stskeeps | `Mace: that kde install is a hack :P |
| 11:47.11 | Stskeeps | in this case, it wouldn't require hacks |
| 11:47.17 | `Mace | heh.. but it works ;) |
| 11:47.34 | Stskeeps | also we want mer on other devices than nokias |
| 11:47.41 | Stskeeps | i386.. Maemo/Hildon on TV. ;) |
| 11:47.42 | aquatix | johnx: I second that |
| 11:47.43 | `Mace | everything is controlled by maemo.. kde only replaces the desktop |
| 11:48.25 | johnx | and so you have all the same problems as maemo |
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| 11:48.34 | `Mace | yeah i suppose |
| 11:48.46 | `Mace | but then again there are problems no matter what you use ;) |
| 11:49.24 | `Mace | PB's kde install basically turned the n800 into a desktop capable of running koffice |
| 11:49.42 | johnx | of course. it's all about finding the compromises you're willing to make |
| 11:49.45 | `Mace | only reason i got rid of it was because there was no way to have a plain base install and add what you wanted .. he kinda lumped it into one giant install with everything under the son |
| 11:50.04 | `Mace | it printed with cups ;) heh |
| 11:50.26 | `Mace | if ooffice wouldn't murder an n800 it would be interesting to see how that would work |
| 11:50.46 | johnx | eh, I even use abiword on my desktop these days |
| 11:50.56 | aquatix | uses latex and gnumeric ;) |
| 11:50.59 | `Mace | heh |
| 11:51.07 | Stskeeps | wouldn't mind a smart latex editor on tablet. |
| 11:51.10 | aquatix | and latex beamer to complete the suite |
| 11:51.10 | `Mace | there's a maemo install of abiword.. but maemo doesn't have much printer support |
| 11:51.14 | aquatix | Stskeeps: lyx? |
| 11:51.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, for instance |
| 11:51.20 | `Mace | it would be awesome if it did |
| 11:51.29 | aquatix | Stskeeps: or vim? :P |
| 11:51.31 | Stskeeps | but i wouldn't mind a keyboard either.. and i have a n800 |
| 11:51.37 | Stskeeps | aquatix: .. \'s are murder on on screen |
| 11:51.37 | `Mace | heh |
| 11:51.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:51.48 | `Mace | i got an su8w |
| 11:51.51 | `Mace | for the n800 |
| 11:52.10 | `Mace | you can actually type pretty easily on it considering its size |
| 11:52.23 | Stskeeps | `Mace: but anyway, the ability of Mer is choice of how you want to run your tablet, easy porting to the platform, .. etc |
| 11:52.25 | aquatix | Stskeeps: that's why i have an n810 :) |
| 11:52.30 | aquatix | and a bluetooth kb |
| 11:52.35 | Stskeeps | if you want hildon you can have it, if you want KDE, you can .. etc |
| 11:52.48 | `Mace | i see |
| 11:52.54 | `Mace | well. it will be interesting to see how it comes along |
| 11:53.00 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 11:53.04 | `Mace | and if you give me some time i'll put up a site for you to use |
| 11:53.05 | `Mace | ;) |
| 11:53.15 | `Mace | i have 4TB to spare haha |
| 11:53.32 | `Mace | well.. maybe not that muh.but i can proably give yu 1 or 2 ;) |
| 11:53.58 | Stskeeps | we can probably always use qemu hosts or repo mirrors |
| 11:54.12 | Stskeeps | mine is on a 2/1mbit, so :P |
| 11:54.23 | `Mace | don't know how well qemu would work on fbsd ;) |
| 11:54.29 | Stskeeps | fine, i think |
| 11:54.30 | `Mace | i don't have any linux boxes |
| 11:54.32 | `Mace | heh |
| 11:54.38 | `Mace | i can make one if it's important |
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| 11:54.45 | `Mace | on my esx box |
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| 11:54.59 | johnx | all qemu wants is gobs and gobs of processing power :) |
| 11:55.00 | Stskeeps | maybe, - if our queues get too large on the builder |
| 11:55.00 | Stskeeps | s |
| 11:55.53 | `Mace | johnx then that box probably won't do too well for it |
| 11:56.04 | `Mace | i might swap my desktop box and the other one.. i have 2 of these things |
| 11:56.21 | `Mace | but this one has a core2duo 2.8GHz .. other one has a dual core intel 2G |
| 11:56.24 | johnx | qemu is what makes me want to go to a dual core |
| 11:56.43 | `Mace | not to mention it's running a zimbra vm on it ;) |
| 11:56.47 | Stskeeps | i've considered making my work n800 a builder, but.. :P |
| 11:56.52 | Stskeeps | it would probably choke badly |
| 11:56.54 | `Mace | the web server... and uhm... something else but i forgot |
| 11:57.11 | `Mace | it would probably be horrible |
| 11:57.23 | `Mace | i'll make a debian vm.. you can have root on it if you'd like |
| 11:57.26 | Stskeeps | well, i build on a qemu arm as well. :P |
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| 11:58.12 | `Mace | once i get a chance i'm going to swap hard drives and give the esx box the stronger shuttle |
| 11:58.19 | `Mace | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Shuttle/ |
| 11:58.27 | johnx | I honestly think my n800 is faster for builds than qemu on an athlon 64 @ 1.8GHz |
| 11:58.31 | `Mace | i have 2 of those.. i skimpped on the cpu for the first one |
| 11:59.09 | `Mace | as a matter of fact.. i'll start working on installing debian on it now |
| 11:59.13 | johnx | those are nice little machines :) I'm thinking about getting one to replace my desktop eventually |
| 11:59.34 | `Mace | heh.. only thing that sucks is if you want an internal slim optical drive |
| 11:59.41 | `Mace | you have to laser cut a hole in the plastic panel in front |
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| 11:59.54 | Stskeeps | rarely uses cd these days |
| 11:59.57 | johnx | eh, no interest in CDs |
| 11:59.57 | `Mace | (which wold probably work the best as far as neatness) |
| 12:00.10 | `Mace | heh.. you'd be suprised tho |
| 12:00.17 | `Mace | it sucks when you need it that one time ;) |
| 12:00.21 | Stskeeps | usb :P |
| 12:00.25 | johnx | I'll keep around an old machine |
| 12:00.29 | `Mace | i don't have a usb optical drive |
| 12:00.35 | `Mace | but i'm going to get one just for this damn thing heh |
| 12:00.55 | `Mace | if you want to run esx on it though.. y ou'll need to get an intel server nic |
| 12:00.57 | johnx | I'd like a pci-express x16 slot. I really enjoy having a fast graphics card if only for compiz and google earth :) |
| 12:01.02 | `Mace | just giving you a warning ;) |
| 12:02.02 | `Mace | they make for nice little servers. i don't know about desktop machines tho.. i am running vista on the one i'm on now |
| 12:02.10 | `Mace | i suppose it goes fast enough |
| 12:02.48 | `Mace | i really like esxi tho.. works pretty well |
| 12:03.01 | Stskeeps | wouldn't mind an integration of esx and qemu |
| 12:03.08 | Stskeeps | with some instances being other processors |
| 12:04.12 | `Mace | i'm working on building the debian vm now |
| 12:04.18 | Stskeeps | sounds good |
| 12:04.19 | `Mace | i hope i can just swap out hard drives |
| 12:04.33 | `Mace | and put the other hard drive in the stronger shuttle.. i don't see why i wouldn't be able to but you never know |
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| 12:05.39 | johnx | should be fine |
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| 12:13.12 | johnx | Stskeeps, did you have a script for debootstrapping into jaunty or should I just do it by hand? |
| 12:13.20 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 12:13.20 | lardman | lcuk: you about? |
| 12:13.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: arm or x86? |
| 12:13.53 | johnx | n800 |
| 12:14.07 | Stskeeps | just by hand i guess, debootstrap from jaunty rep |
| 12:14.24 | johnx | ah, ok already done, then I'll just borrow the linuxrc from deblet |
| 12:14.29 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:14.55 | `Mace | hm |
| 12:15.03 | `Mace | ok. i'm going to have to put a different hd in this thing :) |
| 12:15.36 | `Mace | i have a 1TB sata drive lying around... i'll wait until friday to do everything |
| 12:15.46 | `Mace | this is what i get for putting an 80G drive in it haha |
| 12:16.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: we should probably also discuss how to handle multi-arch stuff, for n800 we'd have n8x0-initfs-compat or something for boot basics :P |
| 12:19.28 | johnx | the good news is I think the n8x0 is the only device that needs that sort of thing |
| 12:19.42 | johnx | on other platforms it would just be convenience packages |
| 12:19.45 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:20.00 | Stskeeps | and when we move into initfs territory ourselves we wouldn't have that |
| 12:20.29 | `Mace | yeah. i think i'm just going to swap out the nic and wipe the vista install on this one and use the 1TB drive for esx |
| 12:21.01 | `Mace | then install vista on the 80G on the lesser box.. since i really don't need all the space for vista anyways :) |
| 12:21.23 | `Mace | i'm backing up my VMs now |
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| 12:39.56 | towo | maemo on an N95? ;) |
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| 12:41.21 | thopiekar_n95 | No just mirggi on symbian^^ |
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| 12:42.47 | towo | Ahhh. |
| 12:43.31 | thopiekar_n95 | ;D |
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| 12:49.42 | Stskeeps | wonders idly where nokia is planning on putting clutter stuff really |
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| 12:50.00 | johnx | you mean at what level of the UI? |
| 12:50.45 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:50.56 | Stskeeps | pango/atk/cairo or? :P |
| 12:51.14 | johnx | my guess is that it will be an optional thing in that way that canola uses the enlightenment libs |
| 12:52.05 | Stskeeps | libhildon maybe |
| 12:52.11 | thopiekar_xp | whats up with the *rtcomm (chinook)* - project .. will the developters ever port it to diablo? |
| 12:53.06 | johnx | thopiekar_xp, it works in diablo I believe |
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| 12:55.14 | thopiekar_xp | hmm... time to test it... but i think there will be some problems with apt ... nokia meta-packaged everything across... if you know what I mean ;) |
| 12:55.50 | thopiekar_xp | because even sudo apt-get update is very difficult to run... |
| 12:56.15 | johnx | there was a thread on ITT with info on getting it installed |
| 12:56.20 | johnx | didn't seem too difficult |
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| 12:58.00 | aquatix | thopiekar_xp: i installed account-plugin-haze and telepathy-haze instead of rtcomm btw |
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| 13:00.22 | woglinde | hi |
| 13:00.36 | woglinde | I got /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h:217: error: syntax error before "__s32" |
| 13:00.46 | woglinde | when compiling a v2l app |
| 13:05.30 | thopiekar_xp | aquatix: which chat-services provides these packages? |
| 13:05.52 | thopiekar_xp | is away for around 15mins |
| 13:07.09 | aquatix | thopiekar_xp: the IM app now lists AIM, Google Talk, ICQ, Jabber, MSN (Haze), SIP and Yahoo |
| 13:07.41 | GAN800 | X-Fade, fyi, spam's back as of yesterday. |
| 13:07.54 | X-Fade | GAN800: Yeah, I noticed. |
| 13:08.29 | X-Fade | GAN800: We could protect the main page, but I guess it will soon come to other pages too. |
| 13:08.36 | woglinde | ah solved |
| 13:08.42 | woglinde | but this suckz |
| 13:08.59 | woglinde | sdk libc-headers and diablo-kernel-headers are out of sync |
| 13:10.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: i suspect it will be glued into GTK |
| 13:10.12 | Stskeeps | Clutter-GTK seems to exist |
| 13:10.56 | johnx | reads up |
| 13:11.42 | johnx | well clutter-gtk is embedded clutter in gtk, not gtk on top of clutter it appears |
| 13:12.01 | Stskeeps | http://www.vimeo.com/374006 |
| 13:12.42 | johnx | right, so it's a clutter window in a gtk app |
| 13:12.46 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:12.52 | Stskeeps | sure? |
| 13:12.57 | johnx | if I understand correctly |
| 13:13.02 | johnx | no, I'm never sure |
| 13:13.17 | johnx | ok nevermind |
| 13:13.29 | johnx | just got to the tricky part of that video :) |
| 13:14.13 | woglinde | o.hand |
| 13:14.28 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know, intel, but open source.. |
| 13:14.32 | johnx | offscreen rendering probably won't be so hot on the n8x0 ... |
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| 13:17.35 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 13:19.17 | Stskeeps | well if you can speed up normal gtk and add in 3d effects.. :P |
| 13:22.05 | woglinde | hm |
| 13:22.07 | woglinde | mmap |
| 13:22.18 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/clutter/trunk/clutter-qt/ |
| 13:22.35 | lcuk | offscreen or overlay |
| 13:23.39 | lcuk | clutter is a game engine ontop of ogl, its the same principle as ummm glut i believe |
| 13:24.45 | thopiekar_xp | is back |
| 13:24.59 | thopiekar_xp | aquatix: thx |
| 13:26.33 | aquatix | yw |
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| 13:27.32 | woglinde | lcuk do you use v4l2 to get images from the cam? |
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| 13:29.42 | thopiekar_xp | i've got a question about the garage-'portal' |
| 13:31.27 | thopiekar_xp | I get these Emails everyday... 7 B60-commits moderator request(s) waiting... while I used SVN and I don't know how to comfirm these requests... |
| 13:32.44 | thopiekar_xp | even when i type in the password of my maemo-account on 'mailman' it says that this password is wrong... |
| 13:33.46 | thopiekar_xp | have you some ideas? |
| 13:34.10 | thopiekar_xp | or even tipps^^ |
| 13:36.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: around? |
| 13:36.58 | johnx | Stskeeps, still here |
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| 13:37.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think we should switch policy to using the tags, as we are using their ecosystem, instead of trunk, - to make our job easier eventually |
| 13:37.34 | Stskeeps | tags have autoconf and everything |
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| 13:37.41 | Stskeeps | and we can move to newer versions with bzr rebase |
| 13:38.29 | johnx | is everything we need in tags? |
| 13:38.33 | Stskeeps | yeah, think so |
| 13:38.42 | Stskeeps | they release internal versions often |
| 13:39.00 | Stskeeps | i'm not going to rebuild everything, just starting from now so |
| 13:39.16 | johnx | alright, I'll keep that in mind |
| 13:39.24 | johnx | still getting everything switched to jaunty |
| 13:39.37 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:42.19 | Stskeeps | .. ok, not all of them has autoconf, but ok |
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| 13:44.54 | Stskeeps | ok, bzr rebase isn't perfect :P |
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| 13:45.37 | RST38h | moo johnx |
| 13:45.49 | johnx | m00f |
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| 14:30.48 | t_s_o | ugh, im becomming tired of the marketing speak... |
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| 14:34.54 | GAN800 | t_s_o, where? |
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| 14:37.20 | t_s_o | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=245012&postcount=4 |
| 14:38.42 | t_s_o | i think i see where things are going. nokia is at odds with the typical evolutionalry ways of the open source world. they want to put a shiny face on the next maemo based device, but they cant without pulling another 770... |
| 14:41.04 | Stskeeps | sure they can.. get a 3d driver for the n8x0 |
| 14:41.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:43.18 | RST38h | In other words, it is like he wants to tell us "you are fucked folks" |
| 14:43.41 | RST38h | But this, of course, is not news. |
| 14:43.56 | Stskeeps | unless they suddenly pull a surprise and release all source for old UI :P |
| 14:44.26 | RST38h | Which still leaves you fucked until someone get enough time and will to backport it |
| 14:44.48 | `Mace | you have to love high quaity network cards |
| 14:44.53 | `Mace | er.. quality too |
| 14:45.21 | `Mace | like when you get actual real performance out of them.. it's nice :) |
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| 14:48.10 | lardman | RST38h: not backport, as the driver will be for a different chipset |
| 14:48.46 | RST38h | lardman: I am sure the 3d driver will not be the only difference |
| 14:49.17 | lardman | oh sorry I misread, I thought you were talking about that driver, not the whole of maemo5 |
| 14:49.21 | RST38h | lardman: you can expect most differences in HAL, system initialization, input device drivers, connectivity drivers |
| 14:49.36 | RST38h | of course I mean the whole thing |
| 14:50.54 | lcuk | i would like to see the early pre-alpha seeded version running on actual hardware, just because nokia doesnt have time to optimize does not mean we cant |
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| 14:52.35 | lcuk | or was it really that bad and slow that it was fired up once or twice in postcard mode(like playing doom4 on an old laptop) |
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| 14:53.24 | annew | I'm just getting to grips with a N810 - can anyone help me with a mail query? |
| 14:53.37 | annew | it downloads my Inbox but no subfolders |
| 14:54.11 | aquatix | annew: that's with an imap account? |
| 14:54.12 | RST38h | lcuk: Well, let me read my crystal balls |
| 14:54.18 | annew | yes |
| 14:54.29 | annew | I used the same settings as work on my EeePC |
| 14:54.39 | RST38h | lcuk: They say that the performance explanation, as well as HSPA explanation are both bogus |
| 14:54.50 | Stskeeps | annew: diablo/newest firmware update? |
| 14:54.51 | RST38h | lcuk: Added to the post for completeness |
| 14:55.04 | annew | ah - no. |
| 14:55.13 | RST38h | lcuk: The real explanation is Clutter and its reliance on OpenGL |
| 14:55.13 | annew | I'll see if I can find that, thanks. |
| 14:55.15 | Stskeeps | annew: there's some fixes for it :P |
| 14:55.36 | annew | Stskeeps: I'd like gpg too - is that possible? |
| 14:55.38 | RST38h | lcuk: There is no way to have OpenGL on n8x0 running at decent speed |
| 14:55.48 | lardman | with a driver there is... |
| 14:56.04 | RST38h | lcuk: [whether it is due to the Epson chip usage or due to PowerVR guys being anal retentive is a different thing] |
| 14:56.05 | Stskeeps | annew: not sure for maemo, but claws has a gpg plugin.. |
| 14:56.22 | RST38h | lardman: Effectively, there is none, so far. So the current answer is no |
| 14:57.21 | RST38h | lcuk: Now, I (personally) do not understand why you would need Clutter at all. Current UI is good enough as far as I am concerned and Canola shows that you do not need 3D for a decent PMP like UI |
| 14:57.41 | annew | Stskeeps: ok - I'll see what I can find, thanks |
| 14:58.08 | X-Fade | RST38h: I guess it will also be used for compositing? |
| 14:58.19 | lardman | RST38h: it will look prettier |
| 14:58.22 | RST38h | But both Ubuntu and Moblin seem to go in Clutter's direction |
| 14:58.29 | RST38h | lardman: not by a huge amount really |
| 14:59.02 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, compositing has very limited use in UIs and in a pinch you can do it with some tight assembly code |
| 14:59.03 | X-Fade | TR@N51T10NzzZZz ;) |
| 14:59.14 | Stskeeps | yeah.. animations |
| 14:59.41 | RST38h | X-Fade: n8x0 has 16bpp display - I have some very tight code for compositing in 16bpp on arm |
| 14:59.44 | Stskeeps | in any case, alpha sdk will be out this year. |
| 14:59.50 | X-Fade | And accelerated rendering, I guess. |
| 14:59.52 | Stskeeps | so we'll know soon |
| 15:00.10 | RST38h | X-Fade: Current hw does that already |
| 15:00.50 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, but probably it will be a lot better in the next hardware. |
| 15:00.55 | lardman | ;) |
| 15:01.01 | RST38h | for bitmaps, anyway, but that is what you would normally use in UI |
| 15:01.03 | X-Fade | Less hardware limitations. |
| 15:01.10 | RST38h | X-Fade: Just has to be good enough really |
| 15:01.23 | lcuk | optimized,2d or 3d or whatever the BIG thing people want is glitz and shine and smooth fluid effects. |
| 15:01.26 | RST38h | Current HW handles UI easily |
| 15:01.39 | lcuk | brb |
| 15:01.44 | RST38h | It folds on JavaScript, Flash, and CSS rendering but who doesn't? |
| 15:01.45 | t_s_o | lcuk: i blame apple for that... |
| 15:01.46 | X-Fade | lcuk: Indeed. |
| 15:01.51 | lcuk | not easily, liqbase is hard |
| 15:02.07 | RST38h | lcuk: You do not have UI to speak about yet =) |
| 15:02.12 | lardman | RST38h: it could always be quicker though, no point arguing either, the decision has already been made |
| 15:03.00 | RST38h | lardman: Yes, correct. In fact, I am not trying to argue with the decision (pointless) just reading my crystal balls trying to restore some hidden details of it |
| 15:03.23 | RST38h | My current guess is that they want to sync up with Ubuntu/Moblin by going Clutter route |
| 15:03.46 | Stskeeps | or simply get closer to some of their own modern uis |
| 15:04.00 | X-Fade | RST38h: I think it is more because apple changed people's perception. |
| 15:04.34 | X-Fade | Khertan_WebIrc5: Which one of you 2 is real? :) |
| 15:04.41 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yes but a tablet is not an Apple desktop by any measure |
| 15:05.00 | X-Fade | RST38h: Next device is not a tablet :) |
| 15:05.07 | RST38h | And if Nokia wants to simulate iPhone, it probably shouldn't start with Clutter :) |
| 15:05.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: Are you telling me we are finally gonna get StarTrek datapads? =) |
| 15:06.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: I honestly don't know, but it will probably not be called datapad. |
| 15:06.32 | Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arL_-tQndzI |
| 15:06.36 | Stskeeps | probably stuff like that we'd see |
| 15:06.45 | X-Fade | RST38h: Although: http://www.nokia.com/A4707477 |
| 15:07.48 | RST38h | X-Fade: Shiny! Still a tablet though |
| 15:08.14 | X-Fade | RST38h: No! An Eco Sensor ;) |
| 15:08.17 | RST38h | wonders if the screen will be physically protected in the next one |
| 15:08.37 | Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mNO8i7jMYE&feature=related <- ok .. kinda neat |
| 15:08.38 | RST38h | it is terribly fragile and defenseless in the current one |
| 15:09.32 | RST38h | Sts: I really do not see why this trivial stuff is worth switching to Clutter |
| 15:09.58 | Stskeeps | RST38h: admittedly i'm more for a maemo ui but then again i'm grumpy and old.. :P |
| 15:10.25 | aquatix | wants a maemo-based phone :) |
| 15:10.33 | RST38h | Sts: Dunno, it just seems trivial and cheesy to me. If they do go OpenGL way, I would expect something more interesting |
| 15:11.10 | Stskeeps | it's kinda curious that hildon-desktop hasn't been worked on for 4 months |
| 15:11.31 | RST38h | Sts: Confirms that they are gonna drop it? |
| 15:11.36 | Stskeeps | not sure |
| 15:11.47 | X-Fade | Hildon + clutter on EeePC ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivLZNp4FZYs |
| 15:12.18 | RST38h | aquatix: There is hope they will make voice circuitry work in the next tablet...So that it can be used with BT handsets |
| 15:12.28 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I was wondering about that too. Perhaps they have a private branch somewhere.. |
| 15:12.52 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: isn't that just the flash ui maybe? |
| 15:13.08 | aquatix | RST38h: you mean that you dial through a bt phone? |
| 15:13.10 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I gues the SDK will tell. I have no idea. |
| 15:13.16 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:13.27 | Stskeeps | i'm waiting for that too cos it will have wide implications on any of my work |
| 15:13.41 | X-Fade | yeah, I can imagine. |
| 15:14.55 | Stskeeps | did anyone see how far they could get with opengl es software render and dsp anyway? :P |
| 15:16.26 | annew | Stskeeps: checked for updates - it only offered maps - but |
| 15:16.39 | annew | then said the update conflicts with software from another source |
| 15:16.45 | annew | I haven't installed any yet |
| 15:16.52 | annew | advice? |
| 15:17.02 | RST38h | aquatix: more or less, although you can dial on the tablet |
| 15:17.08 | RST38h | the idea is that you speak into the handset |
| 15:17.30 | Stskeeps | annew: hmm, did you install diablo by flashing? |
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| 15:18.45 | annew | Stskeeps: no - haven't found it yet |
| 15:18.48 | annew | still exploring |
| 15:19.06 | lcuk | sorry for timing, i just keep thinking that this device offers lots, but each tiny incremental step will be hard which is why the omap3 move is going, tbh though peter is right it will offer nice things |
| 15:19.45 | Stskeeps | it better be bloody good |
| 15:19.57 | lcuk | iphone is basically omap2+pvr isnt it? |
| 15:19.57 | Stskeeps | annew: is it a N810 and you have not firmware flashed it before? |
| 15:20.20 | RST38h | lcuk: No |
| 15:20.36 | annew | Stskeeps: that's right |
| 15:20.40 | RST38h | lcuk: iPhone is a Samsung ARM-based media processor + ARM-based baseband chip |
| 15:20.52 | RST38h | lcuk: I suppose Samsung does include PowerVR |
| 15:20.54 | lcuk | yeah, equivilent to what omap |
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| 15:21.08 | lcuk | is it closer to 2 or 3 |
| 15:21.08 | Stskeeps | annew: mac, linux or windows? |
| 15:22.13 | annew | Stskeeps: linux I presume |
| 15:22.29 | aquatix | RST38h: yeah, but that kinda defeats the purpose; i want a smartphone with maemo :) |
| 15:22.50 | lcuk | damn ill bb @ 6ish, its gettin busy over here |
| 15:23.00 | RST38h | aquatix: there is a physical problem with that |
| 15:23.03 | aquatix | otoh, that'd be only very usable when the device is large-ish (big screen) |
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| 15:23.14 | aquatix | so maybe i don't want a maemo phone |
| 15:23.22 | RST38h | aquatix: Anything with usably large screen will be too awkward to hold close to your ear |
| 15:23.36 | RST38h | But having it work through a BT handset is fine |
| 15:23.58 | aquatix | well, there are wince phones with slide-out keyboard with a 800x480 screen |
| 15:24.08 | RST38h | One of these handsets: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/ |
| 15:24.13 | aquatix | Toshiba Portege G900 for example |
| 15:24.27 | aquatix | RST38h: ha |
| 15:24.27 | RST38h | aquatix: same problem - either pixels are too small or the phone is too large |
| 15:24.32 | RST38h | After all, there is E90! |
| 15:24.36 | aquatix | yeah |
| 15:24.40 | aquatix | likes the E71 |
| 15:24.49 | aquatix | but i'll wait for the Nokia Eitri |
| 15:25.46 | aquatix | anything with usable touchscreen and qwerty and no wince will do i guess |
| 15:26.02 | RST38h | yea |
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| 15:31.33 | florian | RST38h: The E90 is nice but S60 does not play well with the form factor and it is too slow. |
| 15:34.08 | RST38h | no wonder, with this screen size and the amount of deadwood in the base OS |
| 15:35.42 | RST38h | waiting for the public verdict on 5800 =) |
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| 15:39.40 | aquatix | 5800 seems nice |
| 15:39.41 | Navi | johnx: luls, you asked about gc-linux in #wiili |
| 15:39.47 | aquatix | but i miss a physical kb |
| 15:40.06 | RST38h | n810 physical kbd is nothing to miss really |
| 15:40.12 | aquatix | RST38h: that's why i'm curious about the Eitri |
| 15:40.16 | RST38h | misses e70 kbd though |
| 15:40.17 | aquatix | RST38h: well, i use it |
| 15:40.27 | aquatix | i think it's rather nice for a handheld |
| 15:40.45 | aquatix | a lot better than if i had to do with only touchscreen |
| 15:43.13 | GAN800 | lcuk, OMAP2. It's still a shitty ARM11 |
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| 15:43.41 | fiferboy | qwerty12: Fullscreen button already works in transmission |
| 15:43.58 | qwerty12 | fiferboy, Really? Because it doesn't here :/ |
| 15:44.07 | fiferboy | It does on my N810 |
| 15:44.35 | qwerty12 | Bollocks, It doesn't on N800 >.<. I'll change it from F6 to HILDON_HARDKEY_SOMETHING |
| 15:44.46 | fiferboy | Wait, now it's not. |
| 15:45.02 | aquatix | does the fullscreen button work for you guys in gnumeric? |
| 15:45.05 | aquatix | it doesn't here :/ |
| 15:45.15 | aquatix | the View > Fullscreen menu option works though |
| 15:45.21 | fiferboy | I added a patched version to my tablet to test, and that worked. Then I upgraded to the latest in h-a-m and now it doesn't |
| 15:45.31 | fiferboy | Darn, I fixed it and thought you did! |
| 15:45.48 | qwerty12 | Heh :) |
| 15:46.08 | fiferboy | Now I'm giving you credit for things I do! |
| 15:46.55 | qwerty12 | I'm currently working on making transmission open websites in the Maemo browser, I've done it successfully for the about dialog, just need to finish it off... |
| 15:47.06 | fiferboy | Nice |
| 15:47.17 | qwerty12 | steals fiferboy's credit muhahaha |
| 15:48.29 | fiferboy | My development environment is in shambles right now, but I'll send you the fullscreen patch when I can |
| 15:48.44 | qwerty12 | Ok, thank you for that :) |
| 15:49.01 | fiferboy | Assuming you don't add if before I can get it to you! |
| 15:49.12 | qwerty12 | Not much chance of that :) |
| 15:49.30 | fiferboy | Good! I want to finally contribute something to transmission |
| 15:50.07 | qwerty12 | It will be much appreciated :) |
| 15:55.53 | RST38h | BTW, transmission does not search from the bar |
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| 15:56.42 | GAN800 | The eko1 stupidity just wont die. |
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| 15:57.41 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Oh, hrm. I never tried the search thingie. I can try and fix it but you know me... |
| 15:58.18 | mimshita | Hello!i'm running an application based on sofia-sip, on chinook, when runnig it gives me this error: ./popkorn: symbol lookup error: ./popkorn: undefined symbol: stuntag_server |
| 15:58.55 | RST38h | qwerty: Surpprise me, please =) |
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| 15:59.30 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 15:59.55 | fiferboy__ | How do I get rid of my zombies? |
| 16:00.02 | RST38h | cover them with asphalt |
| 16:00.18 | fiferboy__ | They keep coming back |
| 16:00.26 | qwerty12 | /ghost <name_of_guy_you_wanna_kill> <nickservpass> |
| 16:00.33 | fiferboy__ | Thanks |
| 16:01.15 | fiferboy__ | Hmm, "Error: GHOST fiferboy" |
| 16:01.38 | fiferboy__ | Ah, there he goes. |
| 16:01.43 | fiferboy__ | Good old timeout |
| 16:02.05 | GAN800 | Good thing they aren't flying. |
| 16:02.28 | fiferboy | Flying zombies? |
| 16:03.39 | GAN800 | :cower: |
| 16:03.42 | qwerty12 | Can the default File Manager open a specific directory via a DBUS call? |
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| 16:06.17 | qwerty12 | Time to D-Bus introspect... |
| 16:07.13 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 16:07.14 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:07.29 | Stskeeps | -> annew |
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| 16:11.24 | Khertan87564 | Hello ! |
| 16:11.44 | Khertan87564 | http://khertan.net/index.php/pages/mNotes |
| 16:11.45 | Khertan87564 | :) |
| 16:12.26 | Khertan87564 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/mnotes/ :) |
| 16:12.32 | Khertan87564 | not yet tested :) |
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| 16:15.20 | GAN800 | Another Khertan clone! |
| 16:16.29 | Khertan87564 | yep |
| 16:16.47 | Khertan87564 | but this time with a real cloned machine ... and auto destruct features |
| 16:17.36 | Stskeeps | hm, do you know any 3g/HSDPA .. dongles, no need for phone functionality, not USB? |
| 16:17.51 | aquatix | non-usb dongles? |
| 16:17.52 | Khertan87564 | is using the japplet of undernet.org |
| 16:17.57 | aquatix | parallel port ones? :) |
| 16:18.21 | aquatix | Khertan87564: can mnotes sync with a service? |
| 16:18.22 | Khertan87564 | pcmcia |
| 16:18.27 | Khertan87564 | aquatix> nope |
| 16:18.32 | Stskeeps | aquatix: well a phone without display and keyboard |
| 16:18.34 | Khertan87564 | aquatix> local only |
| 16:18.34 | Stskeeps | for tethering |
| 16:18.36 | aquatix | pccard is not really a dongle :) |
| 16:18.46 | aquatix | Stskeeps: aight |
| 16:18.59 | Khertan87564 | i know one using firewire |
| 16:19.00 | Khertan87564 | :) |
| 16:19.04 | Stskeeps | basically something i can charge once in a while |
| 16:19.28 | Khertan87564 | firewire hsdpa dongle ? no need ? ;) |
| 16:19.48 | Stskeeps | for n800 :P |
| 16:20.00 | aquatix | Khertan87564: hm, what's the advantage of mNotes above the build-in Notes? |
| 16:20.08 | aquatix | Khertan87564: the left list? |
| 16:20.25 | Khertan87564 | no need to save |
| 16:20.27 | Khertan87564 | auto save |
| 16:20.42 | aquatix | ah right |
| 16:20.45 | aquatix | palm style |
| 16:20.52 | Khertan87564 | yep a bit like palm style |
| 16:20.55 | Stskeeps | will just have to wait for n900 i guess |
| 16:21.13 | Khertan87564 | (old palm user) |
| 16:21.27 | Khertan87564 | (and developper ;) ) |
| 16:21.32 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, find an excuse to upgrade your phone? |
| 16:21.58 | X-Fade | Any omap3 phones out yet? |
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| 16:22.13 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i have a 3g phone .. the problem is that my provider doesn't have a decent data plan |
| 16:22.18 | Stskeeps | well, they do |
| 16:22.21 | GAN800 | Not that I've noticed |
| 16:22.23 | Stskeeps | but they don't combine phone + data well |
| 16:22.54 | aquatix | Stskeeps: providers are weird that way |
| 16:23.00 | Jaffa | Khertan87564: Oooh, this sounds like what I want (and was planning to do with whizzy Clutter effects when Fremantle SDK comes out) |
| 16:23.29 | aquatix | is annoyed about those recent laptop ads; you think they sell a cheap laptop, but actually it comes with a 2-year data plan |
| 16:23.58 | aquatix | Jaffa: whizzy Clutter effects for a notes app? :) |
| 16:24.12 | aquatix | pokes lcuk |
| 16:24.13 | Khertan87564 | stskeep > come in france ... none isp have real data plan |
| 16:24.22 | aquatix | Khertan87564: ghehe |
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| 16:24.49 | Khertan87564 | still doesn't know what will look like Clutter ? |
| 16:26.59 | Khertan87564 | hum ... |
| 16:27.12 | Khertan87564 | found some interesting things to read about clutter ... |
| 16:27.39 | Khertan87564 | aquatix & jaffa > something like that for the notes list : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=arL_-tQndzI |
| 16:27.42 | Khertan87564 | ? |
| 16:28.18 | Khertan87564 | with bookmark as list ... and browser renderer as textview |
| 16:28.30 | aquatix | downloads movie |
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| 16:29.42 | Khertan87564 | does clutter could be run on actual nit ? |
| 16:29.52 | Khertan87564 | as i think the power will be a bit short |
| 16:31.09 | Stskeeps | they claim it will for n900 :P |
| 16:31.21 | aquatix | clutter looks nice, but is it really that necessary :/ |
| 16:31.33 | aquatix | as said, something like canola pulls off is really nice already |
| 16:31.48 | Khertan87564 | yep .... but they said this will be for fremantle |
| 16:31.59 | Khertan87564 | not for n900 specifycally ? |
| 16:32.17 | Khertan87564 | or maybe i ve missed something since the summit |
| 16:32.32 | Stskeeps | well |
| 16:32.45 | Stskeeps | they are claiming n900 will be the thing that fremantle runs on, and .. maybe n8x0 |
| 16:33.10 | Khertan87564 | aquatix> yep but not really easy to do something with efl |
| 16:33.51 | Khertan87564 | Stskeeps> yep ... i understand it like that ... it should run ... on n8x0 ... but we don't say if it ll be a hacker edition ;) |
| 16:34.13 | Khertan87564 | or if all things will run |
| 16:34.16 | Khertan87564 | like clutter lib |
| 16:34.56 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 16:35.01 | Stskeeps | we'll see i guess |
| 16:35.16 | X-Fade | Well, hildon-desktop could fall-back to normal behavior when no hardware is found? |
| 16:36.09 | Stskeeps | yeah.. i agree that would definately be an option |
| 16:36.13 | X-Fade | There are supposed to be a lot of goodies in Fremantle that do not need any hardware features. |
| 16:36.27 | X-Fade | So even if we only get those ;) |
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| 16:47.00 | qwerty12 | Sending an open_folder call to com.nokia.osso_filemanager at least starts up the file manager, now it would be nice if it actually opened the folder I wanted... |
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| 16:50.30 | Meizirkki | disco_stu: Can you give me the ad-hoc how-to page addr again? |
| 16:51.12 | GAN800 | Khertan, there isn't really a 'look' |
| 16:51.29 | GAN800 | 3d widgets you can do whatever with. |
| 16:54.02 | Khertan_the_real | ... a look ? |
| 16:54.31 | Khertan_the_real | ah you mean about clutter ? |
| 16:54.55 | Khertan_the_real | yep i ve see ... it s just a lib to ease dev with a gnome style |
| 16:55.10 | Khertan_the_real | rendering in 3D :) |
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| 16:56.06 | lcuk | aquatix, already in mind :) |
| 16:56.17 | lcuk | but im notmeant to be here now, ill talk to you in a bit |
| 16:57.05 | b1ackdeath | can some one help me with qwerty12's winexe real quick |
| 16:58.34 | b1ackdeath | i enter ../winexe -U WORKGROUP\administrator%mypassd\\ 192.168.1.4 and get nothing |
| 16:59.15 | b1ackdeath | his instructions say ./winexe -U WORKGROUP/<user>%<password goes here > //<ip> |
| 17:00.32 | Stskeeps | uhm, you stated \\ in first, // in second |
| 17:01.03 | qwerty12 | Is your machine actually in the WORKGROUP workgroup? |
| 17:01.51 | b1ackdeath | ./winexe -U workgroup\administrator%mpasswd// 192.168.1.4 |
| 17:01.58 | b1ackdeath | nothing |
| 17:02.06 | b1ackdeath | i get the help list |
| 17:02.30 | qwerty12 | You're formatting the command wrong then. Take the time to actually read the help. |
| 17:02.58 | b1ackdeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.15 | b1ackdeath | cuz thats a copy and past my n810 |
| 17:04.17 | Khertan_the_real | i really don't like this thread : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25221 |
| 17:04.57 | Khertan_the_real | specially Peter@Maemo Marketing: ... is it a real guy ? |
| 17:05.24 | b1ackdeath | qwerty12 thanks for you help |
| 17:05.25 | Khertan_the_real | i mean a real guy from the maemo marketing ? |
| 17:05.42 | GAN800 | Khertan, he's Quim's boss |
| 17:05.51 | GAN800 | and there's nothing new there. |
| 17:06.58 | Khertan_the_real | GAN800> :) |
| 17:07.16 | Khertan_the_real | really ? |
| 17:07.43 | Khertan_the_real | when it s mean that for n8x0 it ll be only hacker edition |
| 17:07.50 | Khertan_the_real | anyway ... |
| 17:07.58 | Khertan_the_real | is happy with diablo :) |
| 17:08.05 | GAN800 | Well, we already knew it wasn't likely. |
| 17:08.35 | GAN800 | Still, getting most of Fremantle running on OMAP2 hardware should be pretty straightforward. |
| 17:08.55 | Khertan_the_real | is looking for google trad for !straightforward! |
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| 17:09.36 | Khertan_the_real | yep i think too |
| 17:10.28 | Khertan_the_real | but what surprise me the most in this post ... is to see a post from the it nokia team which was not quim :) |
| 17:10.44 | Khertan_the_real | but maybe i ve read many post from nokia guys without know it :) |
| 17:10.55 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 17:11.04 | GAN800 | You've surely missed some |
| 17:11.16 | GAN800 | There are lots of Nokia folks about |
| 17:11.41 | GAN800 | Though Quim and Peter are in positions to wear their Nokia hats a little more actively. |
| 17:11.55 | GAN800 | Since their job is largely to speak for Nokia. |
| 17:12.53 | Khertan_the_real | yep have see texrat |
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| 17:15.06 | Khertan_the_real | ... |
| 17:15.07 | GAN800 | Mara and Igor too |
| 17:15.12 | Khertan_the_real | will take train ... |
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| 17:15.18 | GAN800 | Ragnar |
| 17:15.29 | Khertan_the_real | and i ve left orange isp ... so no more phone :) |
| 17:15.33 | Khertan_the_real | see you tomorrow |
| 17:15.37 | Khertan_the_real | good night |
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| 17:24.00 | konttori_ | Wohoo! ukmp in downloads.maemo.org. Please test. https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukmp/ |
| 17:28.48 | tank-man | anyone know about the long term availability of the garnet vm (palmos) for the NITs ? |
| 17:28.57 | Stskeeps | GAN800: it's probably trivial -if- nokia is open to firmware mixing.. and if nokia pulls the usual N900-to-get-firmware.. :P |
| 17:30.10 | RST38h | Sts: You won't be able to run omap3 firmware on omap2 |
| 17:30.23 | RST38h | hw is different |
| 17:35.26 | Stskeeps | yeah, okay, true |
| 17:35.41 | Stskeeps | that poses more problems for a HE from community :P |
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| 17:37.22 | GAN800 | tank-man, they haven't announced anything. |
| 17:37.47 | tank-man | i got an email yesterday about a new beta3 out |
| 17:37.55 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I don't think they'd be against the community doing the work on a backport. :) |
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| 18:10.22 | lcuk | Khertan is one of you still alive |
| 18:10.29 | lcuk | damn |
| 18:11.39 | lcuk | aquatix, are you still about |
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| 18:22.07 | kulve | I tried to use advanced search in maemo.org and got this: |
| 18:22.11 | kulve | /export/hda3/4.4.102.M.36/local/conf/frontends/wiki/domain_filter (No such file or directory) |
| 18:23.25 | kulve | and now I tried again directly with advanced search and it works.. |
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| 18:47.05 | riot | why does the mediaplayer break when i upload a single mp3 via sftp onto the sd-card? I can't access the library afterwards |
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| 18:52.39 | unixSnob | how do you folks get openvpn working when a TLS key is required? |
| 18:54.53 | riot | hmm. weird, it works normal again |
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| 18:55.10 | riot | all i did was firing up the filemanager and deleted one mp3 in my home.. pff |
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| 18:56.34 | fiferboy | qwerty12: How do you want me to send you the patch? email a diff? |
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| 18:57.21 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, Yes please, my email address should be in debian/control |
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| 18:58.03 | fiferboy | Gotcha. I accidently built it against the wrong version (the 1.40 before the menu was hildonized) |
| 18:58.11 | fiferboy | Do you mind if I just send the actions.c diff? |
| 18:58.18 | qwerty12_N800 | sure |
| 18:58.24 | fiferboy | I'm PRETTY sure that's all I ended up touching ;) |
| 18:59.34 | qwerty12_N800 | i switched to quilt (many thanks to mikkov_) and i got to say that managing the patches is *way* easier |
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| 19:08.46 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, can i borrow that quilt, im f*cking freezing |
| 19:09.44 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, it's been horrible in London too, can't imagine what it is like in the north :( |
| 19:09.46 | Stskeeps | sb supports quilt? scary |
| 19:11.09 | lcuk | apt-get install quilt, slippers, pipe |
| 19:11.28 | lcuk | something really got my goat today |
| 19:11.55 | lcuk | i was thinking of a layout algorythm |
| 19:13.01 | lcuk | and i found myself idling setting it up and visualizing what i wanted in vb in seconds. god damn me not having such simplicity on maemo (yet) |
| 19:13.28 | Stskeeps | glade? :P |
| 19:13.29 | Stskeeps | python? |
| 19:13.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:14.22 | GAN800 | is cold at 65 |
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| 19:17.18 | hahlobit | Stskeeps: why nit-env-gnome-basic matchbox doesn't fit the screen but nit-env-lxde fits? |
| 19:17.21 | mikkov_ | fiferboy: libboost with serialization for armel only is submitted to autobuilder, let's hope that it actually works this time |
| 19:17.43 | fiferboy | mikkov_: Excellent! I will be waiting to hear the results. |
| 19:17.55 | fiferboy | I take it it takes quite a while to build |
| 19:18.26 | mikkov_ | it should take one more hour or so |
| 19:18.36 | mikkov_ | submitted it two hours ago |
| 19:18.37 | lcuk | all people trying to make a WM, have you tried using it in portrait orientation, i use vnc that way round because for some reason a proper desktop fits |
| 19:18.48 | lcuk | it always looks cramped on widescreen |
| 19:19.21 | mikkov_ | and didn't test locally because it takes so long ;) |
| 19:19.45 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: er. apples and oranges and bulldozers. |
| 19:20.59 | hahlobit | just suspect that nit-env-lxde is more tuned |
| 19:22.29 | fiferboy | Man I suck at creating patches |
| 19:22.38 | GAN800 | Stupis goddamn Fremantle thread. |
| 19:24.11 | lcuk | GAN800, chill |
| 19:27.52 | GAN800 | lcuk, it's such a boring discussion |
| 19:28.28 | GAN800 | I swear I've talked about the community backport a half-dozen times in the last two days. |
| 19:28.46 | GAN800 | Turkey time, you guys can all freeze to death. :P |
| 19:29.24 | qwerty12_N800 | Interesting way of saying "See you later". :P |
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| 19:53.17 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: Which patch do you want me to send? My first one where it would fullscreen fine then crash coming out, or my second one that works flawless? |
| 19:53.24 | fiferboy | The first one is, obviously, much more fun! |
| 19:54.08 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, what the hell, I love spontaneous crashes so I'll take the first one please! :P |
| 19:54.26 | fiferboy | Yes! I knew you wouldn't let me down |
| 19:54.37 | qwerty12_N800 | Hehe |
| 19:54.42 | fiferboy | I can incorporate an 8MB/s memory leak too, if you want. |
| 19:55.07 | l7 | ~installing from SD |
| 19:55.14 | l7 | ~boot from SD |
| 19:55.15 | infobot | ACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across from SD to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts from SD out to where he belongs! |
| 19:55.36 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, Yes, please! |
| 19:55.40 | l7 | hmm, how do i get it to give out the wiki page? |
| 19:55.41 | qwerty12_N800 | ~boot-sd |
| 19:55.42 | infobot | i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 19:55.50 | l7 | qwerty12_N800: ah, ty |
| 19:55.59 | fiferboy | One last test (to make sure the package builds after applying the patch) then I'll send it along |
| 19:56.02 | l7 | i have to say the other result was entertaining |
| 19:56.59 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, Ok, thank you for your work on this. |
| 19:57.28 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: Not a problem. Anything else you are looking to do with transmission? |
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| 20:00.32 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, Trying to see I can get Transmission's open folder feature and the default file manager to play nicely. I found that you can send a open_folder event to com.nokia.osso_filemanager to make it open a folder but it don't it likes the paths transmission sends to it... |
| 20:00.52 | fiferboy | What dbus line are you using? |
| 20:01.18 | fiferboy | Oh, you can get it to work if you format the folder location differently than transmission does? |
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| 20:01.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Good point actually, I haven't actually tried dbus-sending it manually >.< |
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| 20:03.21 | l7 | is "umount /media/mmc2" supposed to unmount the internal memory card? |
| 20:03.35 | l7 | it keeps telling me the device is busy even though i'm not using it |
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| 20:09.25 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: The patch is winging its way to you |
| 20:10.20 | qwerty12_N800 | thanks! I'll apply it tomorrow (I practicaly have the entire day off :P) |
| 20:11.09 | fiferboy | Well, I don't think it will take the entire day to apply it, but I would leave yourself a 6-8 hour window. |
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| 20:12.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, got the email. Thanks again! (i should have a thanks counter :) ) |
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| 20:16.50 | konttori_ | Has anyone used pythons psyco ever? |
| 20:18.09 | konttori_ | I just tried it out for a few simple tests and it actually seems to be giving quite a boost |
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| 20:22.08 | Stskeeps | mm, yeah, but did it work on arm? :P |
| 20:22.15 | Stskeeps | i can't recall if it did |
| 20:22.39 | konttori_ | I'll see if it does. |
| 20:22.51 | Stskeeps | pypy is the interesting player in this game atleast |
| 20:22.57 | Stskeeps | (which are interested in maemo too) |
| 20:23.15 | xorAxAx | psyco is hardcoded x86 |
| 20:23.27 | xorAxAx | even x86_64 would be some manmonths of effort |
| 20:25.26 | xorAxAx | yeah, pypy is currently seeing whether it would be a fit for the maemo platform |
| 20:25.52 | xorAxAx | some of the pypy guys own internet tables and did some hacking lately |
| 20:25.57 | xorAxAx | tablets |
| 20:27.48 | b1ackdeath | software hacking? |
| 20:28.50 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, seems like the file manager just plain sucks. I just did an dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_filemanager /com/nokia/osso_filemanager com.nokia.osso_filemanager.open_folder string:/media/mmc2 and it just shows the MyDocs folder |
| 20:31.19 | fiferboy | Hmm... |
| 20:32.18 | fiferboy | I don't get anything at all :( |
| 20:32.42 | qwerty12_N800 | i had to do it a few times :/ |
| 20:32.52 | fiferboy | Nice |
| 20:33.01 | fiferboy | There we go, second time |
| 20:33.29 | fiferboy | There we go, put the location in single quotes |
| 20:33.34 | fiferboy | Works for me. |
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| 20:35.04 | qwerty12_N800 | I tried string:'/media/mmc2' but it's still stuck on MyDocs. Let me add a trailing slash |
| 20:35.05 | fiferboy | Well, worked for me one time. Now it's gone back to just opening MyDocs... |
| 20:35.52 | fiferboy | Trailing slash didn't help me. |
| 20:36.09 | fiferboy | It did it for me the first time I put in quotation marks, but now it won't do it again. |
| 20:36.39 | qwerty12_N800 | grr, may as well leave it. as we can see, osso_filemanager is not the most consistent of applications. |
| 20:36.44 | fiferboy | There, just randomly did it again with the trailing slash, after not work three times. |
| 20:37.42 | qwerty12_N800 | I called it 3 times in a row with success. Crappy behaviour imho. |
| 20:37.55 | fiferboy | Does it work at all programatically? Maybe osso_rpc_async_run would work better... |
| 20:39.18 | qwerty12_N800 | No idea, thanks for the pointer, maybe I can make transmission send the dbus call twice... |
| 20:44.58 | lcuk | just did a stinker of a fart, im surprised it didnt knock me off the internet |
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| 21:01.56 | Stskeeps | "The first Fremantle SDK will be 100% open source (missing some components and features certainly, but being functional and buildable)." |
| 21:01.59 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 21:02.16 | Ro9u3oR | where can you fine some good apps for the n800 running os2008? is there anything out there other than whats available in the maemo download section? |
| 21:02.30 | Stskeeps | Ro9u3oR: enabling Maemo extras is a good start |
| 21:02.33 | Stskeeps | ~extras |
| 21:02.33 | infobot | i heard extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 21:03.10 | Ro9u3oR | where can you fine some good apps for the n800 running os2008? is there anything out there other than whats available in the maemo download section? |
| 21:03.20 | Meiz_n810 | Ro9u3oR: check repo page, gronmayer.com/it |
| 21:04.05 | b1ackdeath | i get 90% of my stuff from gronmayer,com/it |
| 21:04.35 | Meiz_n810 | well, gronmayer.com/it has extras too |
| 21:04.39 | Meiz_n810 | =P |
| 21:05.33 | Ro9u3oR | thanks |
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| 21:19.32 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Mer_Developer_Tools |
| 21:20.05 | Stskeeps | er, sec, refresh :P |
| 21:20.12 | Stskeeps | (remove s in http too) |
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| 21:24.14 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: I should be around tomorrow if you run into any problems with my patch |
| 21:24.23 | fiferboy | There should be no problem, though |
| 21:25.19 | unixSnob | does the openvpn applet work for anyone? |
| 21:25.28 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, yep, seems nicely done. Thank you for making the patch in your own time |
| 21:25.45 | fiferboy | No problem. Glad I could help |
| 21:26.55 | fiferboy | Later |
| 21:27.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Bye |
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| 21:29.21 | unixSnob | can openvpn be used to bond two uplink together? |
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| 21:32.11 | unixSnob | how do you connect to a hidden wifi network? |
| 21:32.44 | unixSnob | the connection manager lets me add hidden networks, but only shows visible ones on the connection screen |
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| 22:27.48 | l7 | does anyone happen to know what the purpose of the small metal plate on the inside of the nokia's battery cover is? |
| 22:28.07 | l7 | i'm guessing it may tell the device the battery cover is closed, but not sure |
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| 22:36.05 | bradd | l7, something to do with the sdcard i guess.. when i open / close it powered on, it tells me 'memory card available' |
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| 22:40.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, had you read the comment by Peter@marketing when you asked about clutter a while ago? |
| 22:41.15 | lcuk | :'( some guy demoing omap2 running 3d software its so sad we havent got it running yet |
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| 22:41.40 | lcuk | the omap3 looks nice though, much more capable |
| 22:41.50 | johnx | yeah |
| 22:41.56 | johnx | no need for that "yet" |
| 22:42.21 | woglinde | he johny |
| 22:42.23 | woglinde | and lcuk |
| 22:42.30 | johnx | hi |
| 22:43.14 | lcuk | hiya woglinde, hows tricks |
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| 22:43.53 | woglinde | hm dont know why the ssh folks using aclocal.m4 instead of copy it to m4/openssh.m4 |
| 22:44.01 | woglinde | but that was easy to fix for now |
| 22:44.04 | l7 | bradd: yeah, i was wondering if it completes a circuit that tells the tablet that the lid is on |
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| 22:44.21 | l7 | or maybe it's just there to cushion the SD card somehow, though that seems less likely |
| 22:45.04 | johnx | there's a little magnet that acts as the lid sensor |
| 22:45.51 | l7 | oh, where is this magnet? |
| 22:47.46 | GuySoft | hey, is there a way to "mute" the nokia's led? its annoying.. |
| 22:47.53 | Ro9u3oR | whats the correct image to download if you are trying to upgrade your os on the n800 |
| 22:48.08 | Ro9u3oR | im at the site now and there are a few to chose from |
| 22:49.56 | lcuk | the latest date |
| 22:50.26 | Ro9u3oR | do i download that to the sdcard? |
| 22:52.33 | l7 | hrm, maybe moving a n800 too close to a demagnetizer would be bad |
| 22:52.54 | lcuk | Ro9u3oR, i dunno, i use the windows flasher |
| 22:53.06 | l7 | if it demagnetized the magnet for the rear battery door |
| 22:53.09 | Ro9u3oR | im working from a windows machine |
| 22:53.16 | Ro9u3oR | think you can walk me thru it |
| 22:54.33 | lcuk | i could barely walk myself through it last time i tried |
| 22:55.10 | Ro9u3oR | thanks anyway |
| 22:55.27 | lcuk | http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html |
| 22:56.01 | Ro9u3oR | good start |
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| 23:30.36 | Ro9u3oR | hope this upgrade works |
| 23:34.53 | Ro9u3oR | so far so good |
| 23:35.00 | Ro9u3oR | i think |
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| 23:41.46 | Ro9u3oR | im trying to upgrade my device anyone think they can help |
| 23:41.56 | Navi | Still? |
| 23:42.03 | Ro9u3oR | lol |
| 23:42.07 | Ro9u3oR | first attemp |
| 23:42.14 | Navi | :/ |
| 23:42.15 | bef0rd | ~flashing |
| 23:42.16 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 23:42.30 | Navi | infobot: I love you |
| 23:42.31 | infobot | You love you? |
| 23:43.10 | Ro9u3oR | ok it worked |
| 23:43.12 | Ro9u3oR | thanks guys |
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