| 00:00.56 | Guest69449 | would it be on maemo.org? |
| 00:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | Probably, but not sure. |
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| 00:05.07 | Guest69449 | g2g, thank...i'll check around more...g. |
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| 00:13.46 | monarch | hello all |
| 00:13.58 | GAN800 | Hi |
| 00:14.57 | bef0rd | hola |
| 00:16.08 | l7 | heya |
| 00:16.35 | l7 | does anyone here have an iphone or ipod touch? |
| 00:16.41 | monarch | how is it going tonight? |
| 00:16.54 | monarch | any devs work with ssl on here now? |
| 00:16.54 | crashanddie | l7, wrong channel |
| 00:17.08 | l7 | crashanddie: actually i'm interested in a comparison |
| 00:17.25 | crashanddie | shoot |
| 00:17.25 | GAN800 | l7, there are about a billion on itT. |
| 00:17.42 | l7 | mainly of what features i'd miss from the n800 and what would be gained by getting a ipod touch |
| 00:18.17 | crashanddie | the way you ask that question shows you're already pretty much biased |
| 00:18.26 | GAN800 | A closed platform that's decent at doing exactly what Apple lets you |
| 00:18.33 | crashanddie | so there's no real point in arguing anyway |
| 00:18.35 | monarch | I am having problems getting ssl connections working on my updated maemo system |
| 00:18.58 | l7 | i've been using a n800 for about a year or so, so yeah i'm a bit biased |
| 00:19.19 | l7 | but i'm also bumping up against the tablet's limitations so i'm curious what else i can try |
| 00:19.47 | GAN800 | The iPod is much more limited if anything. |
| 00:20.27 | l7 | it seems to have a bit more processor horsepower though |
| 00:20.42 | GAN800 | Not by all that much |
| 00:21.00 | l7 | i really wish my n800 was faster for some tasks, so maybe the touch offers a better browsing experience |
| 00:21.25 | GAN800 | Not really, they're about the same. |
| 00:21.42 | GAN800 | Except the iPod has no Flash support |
| 00:22.30 | GAN800 | I'd just wait out the N900, personally |
| 00:22.52 | GAN800 | That will blow the N800 and the iPod clear out of the water. |
| 00:23.13 | l7 | hmm, yeah that's an interesting choice too |
| 00:23.26 | l7 | what're the things you're most looking forward to in the n900? |
| 00:23.36 | GAN800 | OMAP3 |
| 00:24.09 | GAN800 | 2-3x the performance of the OMAP2 with the same or better power consumption. |
| 00:25.34 | l7 | yeah, better performance would be great |
| 00:26.03 | l7 | i suppose on the apple front, i'd have to see whether hell freezes over before apple adds keyboard support to their bluetooth stack |
| 00:26.12 | GAN800 | Putting it in real terms, it can decode 720p without issue |
| 00:26.20 | GAN800 | Also: 3d drivers |
| 00:26.51 | GAN800 | With a GPU that blows the OMAP2's out of the water. |
| 00:27.07 | l7 | oh yeah, is it going to use Clutter? |
| 00:27.15 | GAN800 | Yeah |
| 00:27.33 | GAN800 | You should also be able to play Quake 3 without issue. |
| 00:28.08 | l7 | i can't think of any reason why i would want to though :) |
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| 00:28.28 | GAN800 | Tablet deathmatches sound fun to me. |
| 00:28.46 | `0660 | i wonder if they will release it before the second half of next year |
| 00:28.52 | l7 | can you get a mouse working on the tablets? |
| 00:29.20 | l7 | otherwise i guess everyone would have the same problem trying to use a stylus to aim |
| 00:29.42 | GAN800 | Yes, though the current xserver needs to be beaten into submission |
| 00:30.00 | GAN800 | But that's a moot point for Fremantle, as it'll bw Xorg |
| 00:30.16 | GAN800 | l7, have you tried Quake? |
| 00:30.30 | GAN800 | It's actually pretty smooth considering. |
| 00:31.01 | l7 | GAN800: not really, though i've been playing with Bos Wars |
| 00:32.06 | l7 | what are the most useful tablet apps aside from games though? |
| 00:32.19 | l7 | either current ones or n900 stuff to expect |
| 00:32.25 | lcuk | gan http://liqbase.net/liq.20081124_002613.gary.scr.png |
| 00:32.41 | l7 | mytube and videocenter seem like the best apps so far |
| 00:32.44 | GAN800 | lol |
| 00:32.52 | GAN800 | Maemo Mapper |
| 00:32.57 | GAN800 | FBReader |
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| 00:33.06 | GAN800 | ~musthaves |
| 00:33.11 | pupnik | rock |
| 00:33.13 | GAN800 | ~musthave |
| 00:33.14 | infobot | hmm... musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects |
| 00:33.21 | GAN800 | paper |
| 00:33.28 | lcuk | wonders why hes isnt on that list :P |
| 00:33.31 | l7 | i guess i should plunk down the cash and get that GPS unit then |
| 00:34.09 | l7 | maemo notes is pretty nice too |
| 00:36.04 | l7 | hrm, that's a handy wiki page |
| 00:36.10 | pupnik | 'must have' is someone's opinion |
| 00:36.22 | l7 | "Advanced Backlight : Replaces the default Volume and Brightness applets with a unified applet that also provides rotation orientation selection." |
| 00:36.32 | l7 | does that mean advanced backlight can rotate your screen? |
| 00:36.53 | pupnik | no it rotates *you* |
| 00:37.21 | l7 | maybe that's only supported in soviet russia |
| 00:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, feel free to add your own to that list. :) |
| 00:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | l7, with outpo.st/rotate |
| 00:37.49 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, or development a non-opinion metric for computing must-have applications. :) |
| 00:37.51 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: ah cool |
| 00:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | s/development/develop/ |
| 00:38.17 | l7 | i can't think of why i would want to rotate my screen though |
| 00:38.40 | l7 | maybe for certain webpages |
| 00:39.04 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: i like the list |
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| 00:39.55 | l7 | which console emulator is the best one of the bunch? |
| 00:40.04 | GeneralAntilles | Video game console? |
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| 00:40.06 | l7 | yeah |
| 00:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | Any of RST38h's are quite excellent. |
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| 00:40.16 | l7 | the last one i tried seemed a bit buggy |
| 00:40.17 | GeneralAntilles | I like VGBA and VGB |
| 00:40.51 | l7 | i could give those a spin later |
| 00:41.01 | pupnik | what emu do you want |
| 00:41.07 | GeneralAntilles | They work really well. |
| 00:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | A SNES emu would be nice to get, though. |
| 00:41.20 | l7 | NES and SNES mainly |
| 00:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | iNES, then. |
| 00:41.27 | l7 | i think i should back up my system every now and then |
| 00:42.03 | l7 | the tablet seems to get unstable with certain combinations of apps |
| 00:42.42 | l7 | can anyone think of any iphone apps they wish were available on the tablet? |
| 00:45.36 | lcuk | none that i know of, the iphone doesnt have technology that i need |
| 00:45.56 | TokyoDan | I'm using Maemo Mapper and when I try to clear a track or route I get "Failed to write to path database. Tracks and routes may not be saved. SQL logic error or missing dadabase. Should I reinstall Maemo Mapper? |
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| 00:46.42 | lcuk | TokyoDan, sounds more like a data issue than an app issue |
| 00:47.03 | lcuk | ie i think it will still be the same after uninstalling and reinstalling, but you can try anyway |
| 00:47.21 | lcuk | is it perhaps a full disk? |
| 00:47.40 | GeneralAntilles | Check the routes database. . . . |
| 00:48.32 | TokyoDan | Well, I did clear everything, maps, routes, tracks, etc. successfully once before I started having this problem. |
| 00:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | It keeps an SQL database in MyDocs |
| 00:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure it's not full, ro or something. |
| 00:48.59 | TokyoDan | Is there a way to see the state of the memory cards? |
| 00:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | It may be easy to move that database to a card in Maemo Mapper's settings. |
| 00:50.06 | TokyoDan | My device memory is almost full. But the cards are only 1 %/ |
| 00:50.42 | TokyoDan | Device memory says .98 available. |
| 00:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's in MyDocs by default |
| 00:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | So unless you've moved the db or symlinked MyDocs. . . . |
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| 00:51.26 | TokyoDan | I didn't move or symlink anything. |
| 00:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | Then either move it in Maemo Mapper's settings |
| 00:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | or free up some space |
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| 00:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | You should free up some space, anyway. |
| 00:52.19 | TokyoDan | I don's see a MyDocs anywhere, Just Documents in main mem. |
| 00:52.22 | GeneralAntilles | s/anyway/either way/ |
| 00:52.27 | zakkm_ | GeneralAntilles: I got the bluetooth adapter, but i cant seem to do bluetooth networking through leopard? |
| 00:52.36 | GeneralAntilles | Uninstall some applications or something. |
| 00:52.50 | TokyoDan | OK, I'll try that. |
| 00:52.51 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm_, it's in Sharing |
| 00:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | I can't help you with the adaptor, though. |
| 00:53.05 | zakkm_ | adapter is fine |
| 00:53.09 | zakkm_ | they both recognize eachother |
| 00:53.26 | zakkm_ | bluetooth sharing? |
| 00:53.45 | zakkm_ | use bluetooth sharing preferences and set up your compute rto share files with other bluetooth enabled computers and devices. ? |
| 00:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Internet Sharing |
| 00:54.17 | GeneralAntilles | or Bluetooth Sharing |
| 00:54.19 | GeneralAntilles | Don't remember |
| 00:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | Poke around a bit. |
| 00:54.39 | zakkm_ | share your connection from: bluetooth. . . to computers using : ethernet? |
| 00:54.50 | zakkm_ | is that right? |
| 00:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | Reverse it. |
| 00:55.12 | zakkm_ | if i do ethernet... "to computers using: " only shows ethernet |
| 00:56.39 | zakkm_ | do you have a bluetooth option or something? |
| 00:58.09 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: how did you get the buttons working in vgba? |
| 00:58.31 | l7 | it doesn't seem to accept my keboard input |
| 00:59.41 | zakkm_ | isnt vgba for stylus? |
| 00:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | l7, see the menu |
| 00:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | Use the touchscreen and the dpad. |
| 01:00.30 | zakkm_ | menu - stylus cues |
| 01:00.56 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine with fingers too. |
| 01:01.14 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: which menu item? configuration > input only seems to offer autofire controls |
| 01:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | l7, zakkm_ told you. |
| 01:02.11 | zakkm_ | GeneralAntilles: i cant find it |
| 01:02.11 | zakkm_ | oh wait |
| 01:02.11 | zakkm_ | is PAN what i want? |
| 01:02.11 | zakkm_ | bluetooth PAN? |
| 01:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 01:02.20 | l7 | oh right, thanks |
| 01:02.48 | zakkm_ | i got " the cable for bluetooth pan is not plugged in" |
| 01:03.01 | l7 | i wonder if there's a way to remap the keys in a configuration file |
| 01:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm_, are you sure the adaptor works? |
| 01:04.09 | zakkm_ | GeneralAntilles: now i got it to do . .sahre your connection from ethernet to computers using: bluetooth pan |
| 01:04.12 | zakkm_ | yes |
| 01:04.16 | zakkm_ | they both recognize eachother |
| 01:04.19 | zakkm_ | i just cant get internet going |
| 01:04.25 | zakkm_ | and it was my friends old one |
| 01:04.58 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 01:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | You could try #macosx |
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| 01:06.19 | zakkm_ | how would nokia read the internet connection |
| 01:06.25 | zakkm_ | would it appear as a wifi hotspot? |
| 01:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.02 | zakkm_ | oh i dont have that? |
| 01:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno |
| 01:08.50 | GeneralAntilles | Did you install it? |
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| 01:38.38 | TokyoDan | I gave up an uninstalled Maemo Mapper now I can't install it because there's not enough space. Is there a way to 'clean up' the N810 storage and get rid of temp, left over orphan files? |
| 01:40.53 | TokyoDan | My internal mem is 249.5 MB with 3.42 free, mad up of 54.2MB "Other Files". |
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| 01:49.36 | TokyoDan | I hve xulrunner installed taking u 25MB. I wonder if it is for the native N810 Diable browser or left over from that Fennec browser that I tried and then uninstalled. |
| 01:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's for Fennec |
| 01:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | Remove it. |
| 01:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | In the future, when people tell you something's not going to help, it's generally advisable not to do it anyway. ;) |
| 01:50.29 | TokyoDan | Thanks a million. |
| 01:51.37 | TokyoDan | So u think my problem was lack of storage space? |
| 01:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | I'm 100% certain it was. |
| 01:52.23 | TokyoDan | I am in the habit of starting over. I like to uninstall and reinstall to get back to a clean state. |
| 01:52.32 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't typically work that way. |
| 01:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you specifically purge things. |
| 01:53.21 | TokyoDan | Well thanks again General (And I'll continue to behave on ITT. Still leaning on-line manners). |
| 01:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | Settings generally aren't uninstalled when removing an application |
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| 01:55.03 | TokyoDan | That's what I'd like to know...How to get rid of those old settings/config files. |
| 01:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | dpkg --purge |
| 01:56.03 | TokyoDan | do I execute that as is? |
| 01:56.22 | GeneralAntilles | When you want to remove a package and all its settings. |
| 01:56.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's the nuclear version of --remove |
| 01:56.53 | TokyoDan | so I need to preceed that with the package name. |
| 01:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | Works just like dpkg -i |
| 01:57.43 | l7 | hrm, does sound work for anyone on vgba? |
| 01:57.52 | l7 | i have to say it is a pretty nice emulator aside from that |
| 01:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | l7, it seems to be very quiet. |
| 01:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | So make sure volume's at max. |
| 01:58.23 | l7 | it only produces clicking and faint pops for me |
| 01:58.29 | TokyoDan | I got rid of a game (Egnima) and that fennec file and got 22.7 MB free on myinternal storage. |
| 01:58.39 | l7 | even with sound maxed out |
| 01:58.49 | l7 | maybe it's game specific as some forum posts suggest |
| 02:00.11 | GeneralAntilles | l7, yeah, that too. |
| 02:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | It also seems to be occasionally variable. |
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| 02:26.40 | TokyoDan | GeneralAntilles: Maemo Mapper is working fine now. Thanks again for your help. |
| 02:27.16 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing |
| 02:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | Low storage space causes a lot of problems |
| 02:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | So it's a good idea to leave yourself a buffer. |
| 02:30.15 | TokyoDan | I'll keep that in mind. Well back to reading my Python/Djago books...learning new things. Later. |
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| 03:18.48 | monarch | I am having a strange problem on my n810 |
| 03:19.04 | monarch | I can connect to the wifi |
| 03:19.18 | monarch | but if I use any ssl based connection it kills my wifi connection |
| 03:27.58 | Proteous | that is strange |
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| 05:31.10 | Livingroom | HAI! |
| 05:31.12 | Livingroom | how is everyone? |
| 05:31.42 | Livingroom | is anyone awake? |
| 05:32.23 | solmumaha | not quite, still working on the second cup of coffee |
| 05:32.47 | Livingroom | lol |
| 05:32.52 | Livingroom | so i have the N800 |
| 05:32.58 | Livingroom | and it's epic, but i dont know what i can really do with it. |
| 05:34.19 | solmumaha | what would you like to do with it? |
| 05:34.26 | Livingroom | well |
| 05:34.34 | Livingroom | i dont know |
| 05:34.36 | Livingroom | honestly :( |
| 05:34.41 | solmumaha | :) |
| 05:34.46 | solmumaha | good bought then |
| 05:35.04 | Livingroom | i was hoping to use it to run a websever |
| 05:35.07 | Livingroom | and also to crack wep |
| 05:35.15 | Livingroom | and it needs VNC or RDP server |
| 05:35.22 | Livingroom | and preferably i'd like multi-user shellspace |
| 05:35.25 | Livingroom | and it needs GCC onboard. |
| 05:35.41 | Livingroom | so i can compile MUDs for ARM or maemo or whatever and run them |
| 05:35.55 | Livingroom | and i want to have a full featured website |
| 05:36.03 | Livingroom | and if it could automatically upload camera pictures taht'd be great too |
| 05:37.20 | Livingroom | that's kinda what i wanted. |
| 05:37.45 | solmumaha | compiling on the device isn't very fast |
| 05:37.53 | Livingroom | doesnt matter |
| 05:37.59 | Livingroom | the fact that it can do it makes me giddy. |
| 05:38.17 | Livingroom | also: i want to have the ARM/Darwin toolchain installed for ondevice mobile development of iphone apps! WEE!! |
| 05:38.55 | solmumaha | well i guess most are doable |
| 05:39.16 | Livingroom | sweet |
| 05:40.01 | solmumaha | but you may be overestimating it's cpu :) |
| 05:40.08 | Livingroom | perhaps |
| 05:40.15 | Livingroom | it wont do all of those things at the same time though |
| 05:40.24 | Livingroom | each thing i want to do would be on it's own |
| 05:40.46 | solmumaha | well for starters you can check http://gronmayer.com/it for software |
| 05:41.00 | Livingroom | been there |
| 05:41.04 | Livingroom | it's somewhat confusing |
| 05:41.13 | Livingroom | for example, i dont know what to do with the sources.install file |
| 05:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ew, solmumaha, not gronmayer. <_< |
| 05:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 05:41.52 | infobot | it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
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| 05:42.05 | Livingroom | personally |
| 05:42.13 | Livingroom | i think the n800 is the most awesome pda available |
| 05:42.19 | Livingroom | ...once you get it to do what you want it to do :) |
| 05:42.26 | solmumaha | GeneralAntilles: I shouldn't help here, should I? :) |
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| 05:42.28 | Livingroom | hmm, that site isnt pulling up for me |
| 05:42.39 | GeneralAntilles | solmumaha, well, feel free to help, just don't recommend that site. :P |
| 05:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | Not anymore, anyway. |
| 05:42.49 | solmumaha | the fact is, not everything is in extras yet |
| 05:42.53 | Livingroom | whats wrong with gron? |
| 05:42.55 | GeneralAntilles | Livingroom, you'll want the sdk/sdk and sdk/tools repos: http://maemo.org/development/tools/#apt-example |
| 05:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | Livingroom, you want the long explanation or the short one? |
| 05:43.35 | Livingroom | whatever is best |
| 05:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | Well, traditionally, Maemo hasn't had a very strong central repository |
| 05:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | and the result of that has been a lot of 3rd party repositories |
| 05:44.15 | Livingroom | o |
| 05:44.25 | GeneralAntilles | these repositories basically only serve to make some developer's lives easier at the expense of users and other developers |
| 05:44.33 | Livingroom | oh |
| 05:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | The community has been working on centralizing everything into Extras |
| 05:45.03 | GeneralAntilles | and gronmayer is kind of counter-productive to that effort. ;) |
| 05:45.20 | solmumaha | yes, but it will die once the job is done |
| 05:45.41 | Livingroom | extras is a blank screen in firefox for me |
| 05:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | solmumaha, and encouraging its use just delays that end. |
| 05:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | Livingroom, there's an issue with the caching daemon on the wiki. |
| 05:46.06 | GeneralAntilles | The webmaster is going to fix it this week |
| 05:46.10 | Livingroom | o ok |
| 05:46.16 | GeneralAntilles | but for the time being, just ctrl-shift-r |
| 05:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | Squid is serving up blank pages sometimes. |
| 05:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | One or two reloads (as long as you forcefully avoid the cache) will get the real deal. |
| 05:47.16 | GeneralAntilles | You'll probably be interested in Deblet: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 05:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | x11vnc in available in Extras-devel |
| 05:47.51 | Livingroom | deblet looks cool but |
| 05:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | build-essentials is available from the SDK repository, but it's not really intended for use on-device, so be careful when you have it enabled. |
| 05:48.00 | Livingroom | does it work? or is it a work in progress |
| 05:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | It works well enough |
| 05:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a replacement for Maemo for mobile usage |
| 05:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | but it's probably going to be a better development platform. |
| 05:48.30 | Livingroom | ill stick with maemo |
| 05:48.41 | Livingroom | have they improved the screen rotation yet? |
| 05:48.46 | Livingroom | last i checked was in may |
| 05:48.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/install-stable.html <- .install |
| 05:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the issue is that the DE just isn't set up for any resolution but 800x480 |
| 05:49.23 | Livingroom | oh |
| 05:49.30 | Livingroom | whats the hildon app mgr? |
| 05:49.41 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be improving moving forward, but I doubt many of those improvements will make it to Diablo |
| 05:49.50 | GeneralAntilles | The GUI package manager for the Hildon DE |
| 05:50.28 | Livingroom | oh |
| 05:50.37 | Livingroom | i'm so lost by all this. |
| 05:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, too fast? ;) |
| 05:51.01 | Livingroom | just so much to take in at once |
| 05:51.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Platform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon |
| 05:51.21 | GeneralAntilles | Good places to start. |
| 05:51.23 | Livingroom | may was the last i fooled around with this and everything still seemed a little rough from the 2007-2008 transition |
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| 05:53.04 | Livingroom | and canola is just annoying. |
| 05:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 05:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | To Each His Own |
| 05:53.40 | Livingroom | true |
| 05:53.45 | Livingroom | but i'd still like a version of XMMS |
| 05:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's available. |
| 05:55.04 | Livingroom | i'm a bit overwhelmed by what's available, and underwhelmed by how little it does that i want so badly for it to do, so i'm just kinda 'meh' |
| 05:55.31 | Livingroom | much of it i simply dont know how to use |
| 05:55.45 | Livingroom | like bluez-utils |
| 05:55.52 | GeneralAntilles | Different people tend to access media in different ways. Canola tends to appeal a bit more to the iPod/PMP types. |
| 05:55.53 | Livingroom | or aircrack |
| 05:57.25 | Livingroom | there's something called 'bonnie++' it's a hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite- hard drive? in my n800? |
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| 06:18.36 | Livingroom | canola is just a media management program, right? why does it have a flickr plugin? |
| 06:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | Well, a media playback and viewing program |
| 06:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | For the same reason it handles photos? |
| 06:19.44 | Livingroom | hmm |
| 06:19.51 | Livingroom | oh! |
| 06:19.54 | Livingroom | i was thinking uploads, silly me. |
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| 06:29.31 | Livingroom | if something says programname-GTK - does that mean it has a gui frontent? |
| 06:29.33 | Livingroom | *frontend |
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| 07:51.08 | pupnik | yes Livingroom |
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| 08:00.14 | Sargun | What method does Maemo use to make the mouse cursor disappear? |
| 08:00.29 | X-Fade | transparant icon ;) |
| 08:00.56 | Sargun | there are also builds of X |
| 08:01.01 | Sargun | that have nocursor |
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| 08:18.08 | baaba | is there something special i need to do with a deb repository for it to show up in the application manager? |
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| 08:18.34 | baaba | works fine with apt but the app manager refuses to show anything i put there |
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| 08:23.05 | Meiz_n810 | app-manager shows only packages from repos that are in sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 08:23.38 | Meiz_n810 | if you want to browse all installable packages, like libraries etc.. enable red pill mode |
| 08:24.00 | baaba | ah okay, thanks |
| 08:27.46 | Meiz_n810 | np |
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| 08:35.26 | aquatix | hm, better not do red pill mode |
| 08:35.37 | aquatix | rather use apt-get or something in a terminal |
| 08:42.11 | Meiz_n810 | i prefer apt-get too |
| 08:42.43 | Meiz_n810 | app-mgr goes laggy, when it has to list so many packages |
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| 08:49.56 | aquatix | yeah |
| 08:50.05 | aquatix | still use it though |
| 08:50.19 | aquatix | as it's convenient to just hit the orange ! when there are updates :) |
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| 09:03.35 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:04.21 | zhaozhou | Good morning. |
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| 10:08.59 | lardman | is just reading the rant about kismet on -users, glad I don't usually listen to that list |
| 10:10.27 | X-Fade | heh, some people never learn. I gave up. |
| 10:12.02 | timelyx | ping? |
| 10:12.07 | timelyx | can someone do me a favor? |
| 10:12.16 | timelyx | i'm looking for the chess pictures |
| 10:13.05 | timelyx | find / -name '*hess*jpg' |
| 10:13.07 | timelyx | find / -name '*hess*png' |
| 10:13.11 | RST38h | Google. |
| 10:13.41 | timelyx | on a device |
| 10:13.50 | RST38h | lardman: Imagine -users traffic converted into podcasts and read to you using Flite every morning |
| 10:13.52 | lardman | weird, they seem to be somewhat paranoid about some conspiracy against them by the great satan known as Nokia |
| 10:14.13 | lardman | RST38h: lol, it would prepare me to deal with bureauocracy at least ;) |
| 10:15.08 | RST38h | Finnish terorirsts indeed, bent on importing hundreds of ravenous bears into the States |
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| 10:16.57 | lardman | I more got the feeling that by stopping the rest of the world from using kismet, they would easily be able to take over all computer networks everywhere! ;) |
| 10:17.20 | lardman | bears sound like a good second wave though ;) |
| 10:18.16 | lardman | do they have bears in Finland? |
| 10:19.04 | RST38h | lardman: Yea, some come across the border from SpB, once they exhaust food supplies of western tourists there |
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| 10:20.28 | timelyx | lardman: i'm sure we do |
| 10:20.49 | timelyx | http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=25582 |
| 10:20.52 | lardman | well I'll pack a rifle if I ever come to visit then ;) |
| 10:21.08 | timelyx | nice |
| 10:21.35 | lardman | timelyx: I meant for self protection actually |
| 10:21.40 | solmumaha | lardman: or come in winter time |
| 10:21.55 | lardman | and was probably thinking of polar bears; not many bears left in the UK |
| 10:22.49 | RST38h | lardman: are there any animals left in the UK, anyway? |
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| 10:24.05 | lardman | RST38h: well I read an article in the paper at the weekend about feral youths |
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| 10:26.35 | RST38h | lardman: Are they tasty? =)~ |
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| 10:32.46 | lardman | RST38h: too dirty in geneal, and you can't tell unless you get very close as they all wear hoodies :D |
| 10:33.49 | RST38h | Ehhh |
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| 10:42.41 | X-Fade | A nice look on the hardware testing side: http://thesymbianblog.com/2008/11/21/a-tour-of-the-nokia-test-center-see-devices-put-through-extreme-testing/ |
| 10:43.50 | lardman | hmm, didn't test my 6300 well enough, hand free kit stopped working after a month |
| 10:44.30 | lardman | still, pretty cool |
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| 10:52.48 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, Classic Mark Haury thread. ;) |
| 10:54.50 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I couldn't bring myself to even finish reading it, painful! |
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| 10:56.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's bad. |
| 10:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty much every thread he participates in ends up like that |
| 10:56.32 | GeneralAntilles | though the OP was more helpful than usual in escalating it quickly |
| 10:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I still haven't figured out if he's just trolling or if he's actually that deluded. |
| 10:57.24 | lardman | What's happened to Karel out of interest (thinking of ITT)? |
| 10:57.35 | lardman | He seems pretty anti the Pandora now too |
| 10:57.59 | GeneralAntilles | He's another odd one. |
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| 10:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | He fluctuates from being a decent person and helping out people to a foaming-at-the-mouth-rabid Nokia hater. |
| 10:58.39 | lardman | lol |
| 10:58.39 | GeneralAntilles | s/a decent/a half-way decent/ |
| 10:58.59 | lardman | add Pandora-company hater to the list now as well then |
| 10:59.37 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly, though, he just trolls any thread that could be construed as being remotely Pandora-relevant. |
| 10:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't seen any hate from him so far. |
| 10:59.57 | lardman | on the Pandora fora, very anti what I've read recently |
| 11:00.03 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 11:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | Links to any decent ones? |
| 11:00.16 | lardman | let me have a look |
| 11:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | I don't pay attention to those forums, and he's surely too embarrassed to try to get himself out of the corner he's painted himself into on itT re: the Pandora. . . . |
| 11:01.25 | lardman | yeah, well the Pandora is delayed yet again, I can sort of understand his frustration |
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| 11:02.01 | GeneralAntilles | One should never bank that heavily on stuff like that. ;) |
| 11:02.28 | GeneralAntilles | It only leads to letdowns and embarrassment. |
| 11:02.52 | RST38h | The Pandora is delayed? Really? |
| 11:03.05 | lardman | lol |
| 11:03.11 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, since April! ;) |
| 11:03.23 | suihkulokki | you _can_ bank on any company making their first product to get many unexpected delays :) |
| 11:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, not really the first. |
| 11:03.46 | RST38h | Oh well |
| 11:03.51 | baaba | what does the device name thing affect exactly when starting an n810 for the first time? |
| 11:03.54 | baaba | bluetooth only? |
| 11:04.07 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I can't search for posts by one person, crap forum software, sorry don't have the time to search through all the posts |
| 11:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, did they switch software? |
| 11:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | I thought they were using IP.Board |
| 11:04.54 | lardman | I think the main issue is the lack of transparency with the process, some delays are expected, but no info then little dribs and drabs is annoying |
| 11:05.06 | suihkulokki | GeneralAntilles: hmm.. what did they do before? |
| 11:05.08 | lardman | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showuser=14393 |
| 11:05.15 | lardman | well perhaps not setup properly then? |
| 11:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | But I thought OpenPandora was supposed to be the new bastion of openness? :P |
| 11:05.28 | lardman | ah, user error! |
| 11:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, GP32x |
| 11:05.40 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: my arse |
| 11:05.50 | lardman | :) |
| 11:06.28 | suihkulokki | GeneralAntilles: iirc pandora people were GP32x resellers, they werent' involded in design/manufacturing |
| 11:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? I figured they were somehow involved with its manufacture. |
| 11:08.19 | suihkulokki | GeneralAntilles: http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Various/Pandora/news.asp?c=8667 |
| 11:09.09 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: hmm, I have a feeling he edited his post when he found out he wasn't going to lose money on the refund, either that or I misread |
| 11:09.12 | GeneralAntilles | Speaking honestly, I really could care less about the project. |
| 11:09.26 | lardman | Anyway, that's the feeling I'm getting now too |
| 11:09.28 | RST38h | lardman: The main issue is that they are a tiny company which has no experience building devices and no funds |
| 11:09.33 | lardman | Though I would like some new hardware |
| 11:09.52 | RST38h | lardman: In fact, you may remember telling this from the start |
| 11:09.59 | lardman | RST38h: no experience yes, they have a backer though, so I don't think the funds are an issue, though it's all rather opaque |
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| 11:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, I've been meaning to ask you, did you have much experience with how the Zaurus community handled documentation between incompatible devices/software? |
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| 11:10.25 | RST38h | Not that I have anything against Pandora, but their chances are kinda low in my view |
| 11:10.28 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I igorned everything that wasn't OpenZaurus and that wasn't the latest release |
| 11:10.35 | lardman | (in terms of docs that is) |
| 11:11.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering what the best way of handling incompatible documentation between OS2008 and Maemo 5. |
| 11:11.03 | lardman | RST38h: yeah, I was ever hopeful they'd have some cool hardware out that I could play witn though |
| 11:11.08 | GeneralAntilles | We sorta sidestepped the issue with the 770. |
| 11:11.34 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: depends on whether the N8x0 can be upgraded or not, if so we just tell people to upgrade |
| 11:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | My guess is that that answer will be: no. ;) |
| 11:12.00 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, that still doesn't solve it moving farther forward. |
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| 11:12.07 | RST38h | lardman: As far as this stuff goes, leave all hope at the entrance |
| 11:12.28 | lardman | RST38h: in terms of seeing finished hw you mean> |
| 11:12.30 | lardman | ? |
| 11:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | Going in with optimism about targets and projections is just going to leave you disappointed. |
| 11:17.40 | lardman | don't worry I'm cynical |
| 11:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | Does anybody want more from this, or can I wrap it up? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Document_the_maemo.org_Sprint_procedure |
| 11:18.14 | GeneralAntilles | Brontide never did get around to laying out his voting procedure on the wiki. |
| 11:18.16 | GeneralAntilles | Damn. . . |
| 11:19.16 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, is it because you or Quim stopped reporting? :P |
| 11:20.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Heh, I just wanted to point out to others that they need to be reporting too ;) |
| 11:22.26 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Otherwise it looks like nobody is doing anything. |
| 11:22.50 | GeneralAntilles | has his suspicions. :narrowedeyes: |
| 11:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | You're all laid up drinking and watching Law & Order reruns, aren't you. . . . |
| 11:23.39 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What? That we are working on a final Maemo5 release tomorrow? :D |
| 11:23.48 | GeneralAntilles | :headsplode: |
| 11:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's gonna end up being an OS2005 re-releases with updated copyright information |
| 11:24.36 | GeneralAntilles | I just know it. |
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| 11:25.14 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Heh just a general s/OS200/Maemo / replace ;) |
| 11:25.44 | X-Fade | So we can do even better and release a Maemo 8 ;) |
| 11:25.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:25.57 | X-Fade | Which is one more than Windows 7. So it must be better. |
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| 11:26.10 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should put together a wiki page with all of the Maemo default themes. |
| 11:27.27 | caio1982 | GeneralAntilles: which, btw, reminds me that qt4 is not packaged with gtkstyle by default on maemo/diablo :) |
| 11:28.10 | X-Fade | caio1982: The one in extras-devel? |
| 11:28.40 | caio1982 | X-Fade: yep, at least my qt4 stuff looks theme-less |
| 11:29.07 | caio1982 | i was told only app menu and context menus were hildonized, so far? true? |
| 11:29.32 | GeneralAntilles | caio1982, I think the svn has it. |
| 11:29.38 | X-Fade | caio1982: I have no experience with qt4 on maemo. gnuton might know. |
| 11:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | jott would be able to tell you if he weren't hiding. . . . |
| 11:29.51 | caio1982 | GeneralAntilles: oh! |
| 11:30.15 | caio1982 | GeneralAntilles: cool beans, i'll take a look at the svn data before bothering him ;) |
| 11:30.31 | lardman | hey GeneralAntilles are you registered? |
| 11:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | caio1982, I recall something along those lines when I last overhead them discussing it about a month ago. |
| 11:30.38 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, for? |
| 11:30.41 | lardman | pm |
| 11:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | This account is almost 6 years old. |
| 11:31.02 | lardman | yeah, but have you identified yourself to the server i meant? |
| 11:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | I should think so. |
| 11:31.32 | lardman | hmm, perhaps my client has gone wrong then, I can't pm you |
| 11:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 11:32.07 | Stskeeps | freenode oddity? :P |
| 11:32.23 | lardman | ah well no need for a pm I guess, here you go :) http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?s=&showtopic=45378&view=findpost&p=671862 |
| 11:32.24 | w00t | nevar |
| 11:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, get mine? |
| 11:32.52 | lardman | nope |
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| 11:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | Edited by an admin, I guess? |
| 11:34.13 | lardman | yeah |
| 11:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | lulArchos |
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| 11:34.42 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. |
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| 11:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | Guess I shouldn't include guenther when talking about the maemo.org team anymore. . . . <_< |
| 11:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully the next time somebody moves on everybody actually finds out about it. :\ |
| 11:39.37 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I was supposed to stop in September, I think. |
| 11:39.42 | X-Fade | * he ;) |
| 11:39.59 | lardman | and we're still stuck with you!?! ;) |
| 11:40.25 | X-Fade | lardman: At least until the end of the year ;) |
| 11:40.41 | lardman | whatever happened to that who's who page? With mugshots too would be good for the next meeting |
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| 11:40.53 | lardman | X-Fade: good, and hopefully beyond |
| 11:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | I, for one, will be demanding a contract renewal. |
| 11:41.01 | lardman | lol |
| 11:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, it was axed. |
| 11:41.07 | lardman | shame |
| 11:41.16 | lardman | would be useful |
| 11:41.21 | GeneralAntilles | if not a contract renewal, we're gonna have to go Clockwork Orange on you, X-Fade. :P |
| 11:41.39 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, well, it would never actually be completely up to date |
| 11:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | it would never be complete due to the difficulty of tracking people's movements and people who opt-out |
| 11:43.00 | lardman | better than nothing though, but fair enough, more important fish to fry and all that |
| 11:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | The end decision was basically that people should keep their maemo.org profiles up to date. |
| 11:44.19 | X-Fade | Hmm we could make a mugshot page based on profile images ;) |
| 11:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | I think the maemo.org team would be appropriate |
| 11:45.02 | lardman | many of those are missing for Nokians though |
| 11:45.06 | GeneralAntilles | We can exclude Nokia people. |
| 11:45.15 | lardman | hmm |
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| 11:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | Where'd ferenc disappear to anyway? |
| 11:47.47 | X-Fade | He didn't have a contract. |
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| 11:48.27 | X-Fade | But he will be working on things from week 48 again. |
| 11:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK, sounds good then. |
| 11:49.21 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: He's not working for Nokia anymore, so he did work on project base. |
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| 11:57.37 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: any opinion on that post on m-d from Ian? there's probably something to be said but not sure what :P |
| 11:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hehe. |
| 11:57.54 | GeneralAntilles | Well, not really. |
| 11:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno, it probably sounds reasonable |
| 11:58.24 | GeneralAntilles | but I guess the real issue is that Ubuntu doesn't actually target the type of device Nokia deals with. |
| 11:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | Whereas with Dell. . . |
| 11:58.49 | Stskeeps | yeah.. and wrapping Maemo into Ubuntu isn't feasible |
| 11:58.55 | Stskeeps | contradicting goals |
| 11:59.02 | GeneralAntilles | Though maybe it's a non-issue |
| 11:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | and Ubuntu is interested in pushing in Maemo's direction |
| 11:59.16 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 11:59.57 | Stskeeps | we'll see what mer brings about of what is needed to get sane results, i guess.. so far, things do conflict a bit |
| 12:00.07 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, I can't really imagine it being feasible in anything but the long-term. . . . |
| 12:00.45 | Stskeeps | saw the quim comments on linux.org.uk or who was it? |
| 12:00.58 | ccooke | Stskeeps: I'm curious about the "wrapping Maemo into Ubuntu isn't feasible" comment - I can install maemo onto any Ubuntu box. It's in the standard repositories |
| 12:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not convince Nokia would really get anything out of it. |
| 12:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | Or that they'd necessarily need anything more than they already have. |
| 12:01.34 | Stskeeps | ccooke: maemo != hildon |
| 12:02.08 | Stskeeps | the really interesting part about maemo is not hildon. it's the underlying OS |
| 12:02.14 | ccooke | Ah ha. |
| 12:02.26 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://www.linuxuk.org/ubuntu_on_maemo |
| 12:02.34 | Stskeeps | (comments) |
| 12:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, I read through them before. |
| 12:02.47 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:03.07 | Stskeeps | it quite states "fremantle definately won't be a huge shift" ;) |
| 12:03.12 | Stskeeps | which is a good thing i guess |
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| 12:04.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's funny, more and more I get the feeling that when things like this come up that Nokia doesn't really have a set-in-stone direction for Maemo and that they're willing to take input on that direction. |
| 12:04.45 | Stskeeps | they have the backup plan which is improving upon existing base i guess |
| 12:04.56 | Stskeeps | and use visions, hw visions, i guess |
| 12:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | Which is weird coming from the Apple community where the rumor-mill churns away and it always comes out that Apple's plan was this or that. |
| 12:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | Whereas our rumor-mill churns away and spit out stuff like "Ubuntu + Maemo" and it turns out that Nokia doesn't really have any hard plans there, but would be happy to discuss it. :P |
| 12:05.52 | Stskeeps | and maemo is quite an experiment in open platform, open device |
| 12:06.16 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm willing to bet they wouldn't jump into something without solid proof it would be a benefit :P |
| 12:06.21 | Stskeeps | which is a good thing |
| 12:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | Of course |
| 12:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'm used to there always being a plan machinating away behind the corporate iron curtain. |
| 12:08.27 | Stskeeps | well plans are sometimes contrary to innovation i guess |
| 12:08.37 | Stskeeps | bottom up vs top down |
| 12:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | Apple has an entirely different relationship with its customer base than Maemo Software. ;) |
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| 12:10.01 | Stskeeps | i think nokia embraces the fact innovation happens both in community and behind the walls |
| 12:10.18 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Maemo Software does anyway. |
| 12:10.20 | Stskeeps | and embracing community can lead to cheap innovation |
| 12:10.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:10.31 | Stskeeps | yeah, when i say nokia i usually mean maemo sw :P |
| 12:10.39 | Stskeeps | when i mean the iron giant nokia, i mean the corporation |
| 12:10.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:10.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, so do I. |
| 12:15.19 | w00t | Stskeeps: you make me feel warm and fuzzy |
| 12:15.33 | Stskeeps | w00t: no more fat guys dancing videos from you, please |
| 12:15.38 | w00t | haha |
| 12:15.42 | w00t | did i scar you for life? |
| 12:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | quickly finds mugshots of the maemo.org team because the GA clones are just too damn creepy. |
| 12:16.07 | Stskeeps | fairly. not as bad as numa numa. :P |
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| 12:16.46 | w00t | has the whole CD |
| 12:16.51 | w00t | :P |
| 12:17.07 | Stskeeps | brik's, i hope :P |
| 12:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, maemo.org profile shots are too small. |
| 12:17.46 | w00t | Stskeeps: no, mine |
| 12:19.57 | Stskeeps | scary. |
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| 12:24.59 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, lardman, how about something like https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team ? With a paragraph description of the position. |
| 12:25.38 | lardman | yep, looks good |
| 12:26.47 | X-Fade | That seems to work.. |
| 12:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | Not to include Nemein or Nokia people. |
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| 12:28.25 | lardman | I think including people one might see would be useful though, and that includes core Nokia people |
| 12:29.06 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I don't have anything against including non-maemo.org-core people |
| 12:29.07 | lardman | what we need is some CSI-tastic image processing to make Dave's and Niels' images useful ;) |
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| 12:29.24 | GeneralAntilles | But I'd rather have a subset of people that's complete |
| 12:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | than a larger set of people that's incomplete |
| 12:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, yeah, the maemo.org profile is limited to 50px max |
| 12:29.59 | GeneralAntilles | We were using 72px for the Council |
| 12:30.30 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=e4ccb37a3d430175bd4f6f2a7b901cb7&rating=PG&size=72 |
| 12:30.34 | lardman | is Dave holding a cabbage? |
| 12:30.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 12:30.44 | X-Fade | Or change it to any size you want. |
| 12:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | I believe that's a child. :P |
| 12:30.54 | lardman | oops |
| 12:30.56 | lardman | :) |
| 12:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | Cabbage |
| 12:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | That's classic. |
| 12:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that looks upscaled. |
| 12:31.24 | lardman | well it was a random guess :D |
| 12:31.49 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna have to remember that one. |
| 12:32.54 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me wish we had a #maemo qdb. |
| 12:33.32 | lardman | apologies to the child in question |
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| 12:34.56 | GeneralAntilles | Now somebody just needs to type up some role descriptions. |
| 12:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, OK, if we add some Nokians, who are you thinking? |
| 12:36.42 | GeneralAntilles | Quim and Tero? |
| 12:37.03 | lardman | For starters |
| 12:37.24 | lardman | personally I'd like to see pictures of the people we talk to on the mailing lists, etc |
| 12:37.34 | lardman | i.e. the developers |
| 12:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | Well, then we're back to a Who's Who |
| 12:37.43 | GeneralAntilles | Which was shot down. |
| 12:37.44 | X-Fade | gravatar.com ;) |
| 12:37.48 | lardman | I know, I think it would be useful |
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| 12:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | Coerce them into putting up profile pictures. :P |
| 12:38.24 | lardman | yeah |
| 12:38.24 | X-Fade | lardman: I've been playing a bit with account pictures for the forum: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ |
| 12:38.36 | X-Fade | lardman: Although that is only a test ;) |
| 12:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | God that layout is the worst ever. |
| 12:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | Talk about whitespace city. |
| 12:39.01 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There is no layout for that one yet ;) |
| 12:39.23 | lardman | X-Fade: they are too small to be used for anything other than a representation (i.e. I know the pattern of colours is such and such) |
| 12:39.39 | lardman | X-Fade: interesting idea though |
| 12:39.59 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: that's it, let's kick his idea some more shall we? ;) |
| 12:40.06 | X-Fade | I think we have the original imnages too. |
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| 12:41.25 | lardman | goes to find some food |
| 12:41.26 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, I say we just start kicking him. ;) |
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| 13:13.19 | lcuk | whats all this about pictures? you lot can have my avatar but not my real pic - i crack lenses |
| 13:13.26 | lcuk | (though i know theres pics around :D) |
| 13:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | We already got it. :P |
| 13:13.44 | lcuk | you should have my avatar |
| 13:13.47 | lcuk | not my pic |
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| 13:14.05 | lcuk | never released his image under any license |
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| 13:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | LinuxTag and the Summit. |
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| 13:15.21 | lcuk | yeah i know people have taken picture of me, but usage of those pictures is a different thing (i really dont care im just bein argumentative, ill find you a better pic) |
| 13:15.48 | lcuk | i joined up for nokia friendview thing and my avaqtar looks bob in there |
| 13:15.56 | lcuk | i was thinking of upping a picture anyway |
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| 13:29.07 | lcuk | does anyone know how ttf actually works? |
| 13:29.20 | lcuk | i know its a font program, but is it interpretable |
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| 13:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | "program"? |
| 13:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's a font format. |
| 13:31.01 | lcuk | yes, the fonts are a generated program and the glyph at a particular size is the result of running that code |
| 13:31.11 | lcuk | ie, its not stored as pixelmaps |
| 13:31.24 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, alright. |
| 13:31.28 | GeneralAntilles | Have you looked at FreeType? |
| 13:31.38 | lcuk | i use freetype now |
| 13:31.45 | lcuk | but it generates bitmaps in the wrong format |
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| 13:32.11 | ShadowJK_ | eh? |
| 13:32.14 | lcuk | and hence i have a limitation, im thinking about something to get round this limitation |
| 13:32.30 | lcuk | ShadowJK_, i cannot use freetype to write to the YUV plane |
| 13:32.33 | lcuk | it knows rgb |
| 13:32.41 | lcuk | hence wrong format |
| 13:33.38 | ShadowJK_ | just copy/add g to y? |
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| 13:34.48 | ShadowJK_ | I'm hoping you only want black text ;) |
| 13:35.23 | lcuk | well i have white text on black background - thats simplest because I can OR the resultant greyscale bitmap and get decent results (as i have currently) |
| 13:35.58 | woglinde | hm there is no other lib like freetype I know of |
| 13:36.01 | lcuk | but if i want to put black text on a white background i have to incorporate a full aplha blending algorythm and lose the 32bit aligned super speedy approach i currently use |
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| 13:36.43 | lcuk | woglinde, im thinking of diving directly into freetpye and seeing whether i can get it doing YUV updates faster |
| 13:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure they'd appreciate that approach. ;) |
| 13:37.07 | lcuk | the alternative is for me to expand upon my "ransom" font and make it work properly |
| 13:37.31 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, nothing wrong with adding an additional output type if it fits with the rest |
| 13:37.53 | lcuk | it already supports an enumeration of different formats, YUV would simply be an additional one |
| 13:37.58 | woglinde | lcuk maening rewrite render stuff with arm asm |
| 13:38.01 | lcuk | if thats the way i went |
| 13:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | Er, what I mean is: I'm sure they'd appreciate you adding functionality to an existing lib instead of rolling your own. |
| 13:38.16 | lcuk | ahhh yes gen i agree |
| 13:38.38 | lcuk | but to do that i would have to "understand" the ttf format i think and understand the library, hence me asking if anyone know |
| 13:38.58 | lcuk | did you see my ransom note |
| 13:39.13 | GeneralAntilles | Talking to upstream is probably the logical next step. |
| 13:39.16 | GeneralAntilles | No? |
| 13:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 13:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
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| 13:39.36 | lcuk | :D well that saves this for those that didnt |
| 13:39.46 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081124_002613.gary.scr.png |
| 13:40.18 | lcuk | it works in fullcolor and since i did this I put it in with the bookreader code, its freaky to see my own handwriting |
| 13:40.19 | woglinde | lcuk lol |
| 13:40.21 | lcuk | in a book |
| 13:40.32 | woglinde | lcuk the lcuk-grafiti-font? |
| 13:41.19 | lcuk | yeah woglinde, obviously it needs work (it just takes every glyph as same size and fits it within the boundary of the ttf glyph hence the sizes are screwed, needs tidying up, but it works |
| 13:41.36 | woglinde | heheh |
| 13:41.40 | lcuk | and as an extra bonus, its rotatable |
| 13:41.47 | woglinde | what? |
| 13:41.56 | woglinde | ah if you rotate the screen |
| 13:41.58 | lcuk | the glyph vectors |
| 13:42.07 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.11 | woglinde | I tought of rotating only one glyph |
| 13:42.44 | lcuk | automatic 90deg rotation is easy, and only a little bit harder for arbritary |
| 13:43.07 | woglinde | hm I not so firm with font-stuff |
| 13:43.12 | woglinde | only minimal knowing |
| 13:43.19 | woglinde | aeh knowledge |
| 13:43.30 | woglinde | hence my english is getting worser and worser |
| 13:44.06 | lcuk | lol no problem, you are understandable |
| 13:44.15 | lcuk | lets just say: http://liqbase.net/liq.20081123_012734.gary.scr.rot.png this was the first test |
| 13:44.50 | lcuk | ive been thinking about fonts for a while and knew the day would come when people wanted something other than white text on a black background |
| 13:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | demands it right now. |
| 13:45.06 | GeneralAntilles | Or else. |
| 13:45.23 | lcuk | heh |
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| 13:45.49 | lcuk | you can have it, but ill lose serious amounts of time by having to render and re-render the fonts from ttf->rgb->yuv |
| 13:46.36 | lcuk | doing it with sketches works nicely, so as my quick fix ill drop that in and see how it looks ;) |
| 13:46.44 | woglinde | lcuk if you are in the mood, you could read the bio of one of the font masters |
| 13:46.49 | woglinde | http://download.linotype.com/free/howtouse/ZapfBiography.pdf |
| 13:47.04 | lcuk | im just finishing my dinner hour |
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| 13:47.33 | lcuk | i suppose i could sit down for a couple of hours this afternoon and read through ;) |
| 13:47.40 | lcuk | would get in trouble tho |
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| 13:48.50 | lcuk | can see a mandelbug screenshot on tablet :) i like infinity, anyway, back later |
| 13:48.55 | lcuk | thanks for ideas |
| 13:49.19 | woglinde | bye lcuk |
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| 14:03.08 | Khertan2 | [W2I=000:u:0:000:] |
| 14:03.14 | Khertan2 | Hello |
| 14:03.24 | woglinde | hi khertan |
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| 14:03.46 | Khertan2 | it s seems there is a small bug with the web chat irc ... |
| 14:04.00 | Khertan2 | i still see old nick connected ... |
| 14:04.25 | Khertan2 | do you know a way to unlock screen with vnc ? |
| 14:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, has PyPackager been obsoleted, or is it waiting on something? |
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| 14:04.40 | Khertan2 | as my n810 is locked |
| 14:05.05 | Khertan2 | PyPackager is ... a way to create .deb for maemo ... |
| 14:05.15 | Khertan2 | but not to upload them to extras |
| 14:05.25 | Khertan2 | this is why i suggest using py2deb |
| 14:05.51 | Khertan2 | to create file and archive to upload it to autobuilder which will create the package |
| 14:06.13 | Khertan2 | but i ll rename in a few time py2deb to pypackager .... |
| 14:06.16 | Khertan2 | and merge their feature |
| 14:06.18 | Khertan2 | why ? |
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| 14:06.41 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I was going to say you should add in Maemo-Display-Name and Maemo-Upgrade-Description |
| 14:07.24 | Khertan2 | Yep ... and change the category list in py2deb to force to use the good one |
| 14:08.02 | X-Fade | the autobuilder has been changed to submit warnings when you use a wrong category btw. |
| 14:08.21 | woglinde | hehe good |
| 14:08.57 | GeneralAntilles | You know what's going to happen next, don't you? |
| 14:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | The next SSU push will be the last Maemo update until Fremantle and the new categories list will be 100% useless until Summer 2009. :P |
| 14:09.36 | X-Fade | Extras assistant also will show a warning now. |
| 14:09.53 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, at least we already have correct packages in the repo by then ;) |
| 14:10.18 | X-Fade | Can't be worse than what we have now ;) |
| 14:10.55 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, getting these new categories shipped is currently blocked by YOU. |
| 14:10.59 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, get a move on. :P |
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| 14:11.19 | woglinde | hi qwerty |
| 14:11.31 | qwerty12 | hi woglinde |
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| 14:12.15 | woglinde | hm chatting as root |
| 14:12.40 | qwerty12 | x-chat frowns upon you if you try chatting as root :P |
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| 14:15.24 | qwerty12 | finishes packaging bemused-mpd |
| 14:16.09 | StsN800 | woo |
| 14:16.24 | woglinde | moo |
| 14:16.30 | qwerty12 | loo |
| 14:17.10 | lardman | p... |
| 14:17.19 | qwerty12 | imp? |
| 14:17.24 | lardman | ooh |
| 14:17.30 | woglinde | hrms I am freezing today |
| 14:17.36 | lardman | yeah, same here |
| 14:17.39 | qwerty12 | woglinde, brr, same here |
| 14:17.48 | qwerty12 | bloody London :) |
| 14:18.01 | StsN800 | .dk too |
| 14:18.10 | woglinde | and I turned the heater to max |
| 14:18.31 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, The Nordic countries are always cold anyway :P |
| 14:18.46 | woglinde | *g* |
| 14:19.08 | StsN800 | .dk isn't as bad as .fi |
| 14:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | I wish there were a way to encourage registered users to actually edit logged in on the wiki. |
| 14:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | I seem to recall a login-on-edit plugin. . . . |
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| 14:21.26 | StsN800 | doesn't https already do that? |
| 14:21.50 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 14:21.59 | StsN800 | k |
| 14:22.22 | qwerty12 | Add some annoyances like captcha and some maths questions |
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| 14:22.41 | X-Fade | Already there ;) |
| 14:23.14 | qwerty12 | Shows how much I edit :P |
| 14:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | You wont see them logged in. |
| 14:27.49 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, do you have the right access to install mediawiki extensions these days? |
| 14:28.17 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I have root, even better ;) |
| 14:28.21 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 14:28.27 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 14:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'm hunting cool extensions |
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| 14:29.48 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Did you see?: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-November/035675.html |
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| 14:32.19 | jpt9 | Hey. |
| 14:32.36 | jpt9 | I have a Nokia 770; I'm looking for memory cards for it (still have the 64MB one that came with it). |
| 14:33.09 | jpt9 | I know it has an RS-MMC slot; I'm curious if MMC Mobile cards will also work (I'm pretty sure they're basically the same thing, at least from some of the reviews I've read). |
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| 14:35.30 | fiferboy | Yay! Looks like a few more minor bugs to fix, though. |
| 14:35.52 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Well, at least you don't get bored that way :) |
| 14:36.16 | fiferboy | And it beats finding my own bugs. I like having them pointed out. |
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| 14:38.15 | Stskeeps | groans at his beagleboard which seems to eat mmcs |
| 14:38.33 | fiferboy | X-Fade: What command does the autobuilder run when building a package? dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? |
| 14:38.42 | jpt9 | Hey. |
| 14:39.26 | jpt9 | I'm looking for a memory card for my 770; I can't seem to find too many RS-MMC cards around. I did find one, but the image and description seem to conflict as to whether it's RS-MMC or MMCmobile. |
| 14:39.39 | jpt9 | Are these basically the same thing? Any specs I need to watch out for? |
| 14:40.04 | X-Fade | fiferboy: I think so, it should be in the logs too. |
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| 14:40.49 | Stskeeps | jpt9: .. no need to repeat, if someone knew the direct answer, i'm sure they'd answer :P |
| 14:40.59 | jpt9 | sorry. |
| 14:41.22 | fiferboy | Ah, it is the "root" log that has the build up, and the "build" log has the build output. |
| 14:41.26 | fiferboy | Thanks, makes sense. |
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| 14:41.43 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Hmm yeah, but the command is not shown. |
| 14:41.53 | jpt9 | Knowing the likely market for the Nokia 770, I'm wondering if most of the people here are geeks that stay on IRC all the time (even when they're asleep) :-) |
| 14:42.10 | jpt9 | I don't do that, but I'm pretty much on all the time I'm awake, even if I'm not paying attention to it. |
| 14:42.14 | baaba | anyone know why sb2 apt-get update might try to use the real /var/* dirs as opposed to the ones under ~/.maemo-sdk/rootstr... |
| 14:42.16 | fiferboy | It builds the source packages too, right? Not just binaries |
| 14:43.02 | Stskeeps | jpt9: did you search internettablettalk.com/forums first per chance? i got instant hits regarding 770 and sdhc/mmc/mmc mobile |
| 14:43.07 | X-Fade | fiferboy: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -sa -D |
| 14:43.22 | fiferboy | Thanks! |
| 14:43.33 | jpt9 | Stskeeps: Not yet; I have to admit that I completely forgot about those; I haven't used my nokia in a while... (now that I have an OLPC) |
| 14:43.37 | jpt9 | I'll go check there. |
| 14:43.52 | X-Fade | fiferboy: It uses sbdmock: http://www.bifh.org/wiki/sbdmock |
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| 15:04.20 | fiferboy | X-Fade: What is the best way to contact Eero if I have some questions about fixing the problems he raised? |
| 15:04.21 | Stskeeps | wonders idly if lcuk is high |
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| 15:05.49 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, email. ;) |
| 15:06.18 | hahlobit | Stskeeps: can one run deblet-installer from sdcard diablo? |
| 15:06.20 | fiferboy | Thanks |
| 15:07.39 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Just reply to him on the list or just email him. He's not a bad guy ;) |
| 15:08.03 | fiferboy | Gotcha, thanks |
| 15:10.03 | lcuk | Stskeeps, no just pissed off with bickering folks |
| 15:10.11 | X-Fade | wonders if we should record this case in some kind of testing document. |
| 15:10.30 | X-Fade | Should be a big help to many people. |
| 15:12.35 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: yes think so |
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| 15:20.41 | baaba | what is "sb2 apt" supposed to do exactly? |
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| 15:21.25 | baaba | because i'm unable to use "sb2 apt-get update" as it apparently tries to use the host's /var/* directories and fails because it doesn't have the rights to do so |
| 15:21.38 | Stskeeps | sb2 -e apt-get update may give a better result |
| 15:22.00 | baaba | no |
| 15:22.24 | baaba | isn't it supposed to use the rootstrap directories? |
| 15:22.28 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I finally got the other mmc clone to boot on my 770, apparently it's ext2 or I didn't add the right kernel modules. |
| 15:22.35 | woglinde | sb2 -e fakeroot apt bla |
| 15:23.23 | Meiz_n810 | pybattery shows 47.25 °C temperature... Pretty warm |
| 15:23.36 | Meiz_n810 | backside is hot |
| 15:23.48 | Meiz_n810 | Is this normal? |
| 15:23.48 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ah, good :) |
| 15:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | Meiz_n810, well, what are you doing to it? |
| 15:24.01 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: wifi power saving not on? |
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| 15:24.41 | GeneralAntilles | The hard-ceiling for temperature is somewhere in the 80-90°C range. |
| 15:24.53 | Meiz_n810 | wifi power saving is on, i was downloading big .flv file with browser and watching it with mplayer at the same time |
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| 15:25.26 | baaba | "fakeroot not installed" |
| 15:25.53 | baaba | but really, am i wrong that it should not even attempt to use the host system's /var? |
| 15:26.15 | yerga | qwerty12, you around? |
| 15:26.38 | qwerty12 | yerga, yep |
| 15:26.48 | yerga | take a look: http://yerga.net/files/gftp-gtk_2.0.18-17maemo1_armel.deb |
| 15:26.53 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, that will do it.. wifi active all the time |
| 15:27.03 | qwerty12 | yerga, cool, thanks, downloading... |
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| 15:27.08 | baaba | and if not, where might the configuration for that be |
| 15:27.19 | yerga | changed a bit the UI |
| 15:27.39 | baaba | the problem appeared after updating to the latest sdk+ version, i guess i should try to go back to the previous one |
| 15:27.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: btw there was a guy on stlc45xx-devel who says he has decoded CAL, what wlan-cal/stlc45xx-cal actually does.. doesnt have time to write a full doc, but will answer specific questions |
| 15:29.17 | qwerty12 | yerga, brilliant! You may want to remove my name from the About screen though, I was under the impression that I would finish it at the time :) |
| 15:29.22 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, cool |
| 15:29.58 | yerga | nah, qwerty12, you are well there ;) |
| 15:29.59 | Stskeeps | but then again, what are the benefits of knowing CAL? :P |
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| 15:30.54 | qwerty12 | yerga, But that means I'm taking credit for your ui changes, I'll take credit for the packaging though :P |
| 15:31.32 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, It's good fun :P. Nah, I'd like to be able to switch Rd mode on the fly and for the poor people with a US tablet, they can unlock the full range of frequencies ;) |
| 15:32.30 | Stskeeps | hmm, stlc45xx with IBSS |
| 15:32.33 | Stskeeps | that's interesting |
| 15:32.52 | Stskeeps | er.. |
| 15:32.57 | Stskeeps | ok, mesh was more intersting |
| 15:34.36 | Stskeeps | thought it was AP mode for a sec :P |
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| 15:35.19 | nano- | When I do: $ sb2 apt-get update |
| 15:35.22 | nano- | I get this error: |
| 15:35.37 | nano- | Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free Packages Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/repository.maemo.org_dists_diablo_sdk_free_binary-i386_Packages - open (30 Read-only file system) [IP: 195.54.111.96 80] |
| 15:35.47 | nano- | What's up with that? Google gave me nothing :/ |
| 15:38.07 | sp3000 | you're not saying if you've checked the obvious |
| 15:39.12 | nano- | No mount points that I can see are read-only. |
| 15:40.40 | sp3000 | can you touch in the directory the file it's compaining about is in? |
| 15:41.11 | sp3000 | doesn't recall if 'mount' will show remounted-ro cases as ro, or if /proc/mounts is better wrt that |
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| 15:41.53 | Stskeeps | nano-: sb2 -r apt-get update maybe |
| 15:41.56 | nano- | I'm not sure what directory it is. This is in sb2-land. Is that in my ~/.meamo-sdk? |
| 15:41.57 | Stskeeps | cant recall the command |
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| 15:42.13 | nano- | Stskeeps: same result. |
| 15:42.14 | Stskeeps | the one to indicate use of fakeroot |
| 15:42.18 | Stskeeps | and -e? |
| 15:42.24 | sp3000 | it should be searchable I suppose |
| 15:42.25 | Stskeeps | -r -e |
| 15:42.35 | nano- | same problem. |
| 15:42.45 | Stskeeps | #scratchbox maybe :P |
| 15:42.58 | Stskeeps | is bothered by same problem in sb2 really |
| 15:43.16 | baaba | nano-, i'm having the same problem, seems sb2 itself mounts the rootstrap that is under .maemo-sdk as ro |
| 15:43.39 | sp3000 | does it protect your files at large by claiming inappropriate FSs are read-only or something? |
| 15:43.48 | qwerty12 | sb1 ftw |
| 15:43.52 | nano- | yeah, sb1 ftw. |
| 15:44.07 | sp3000 | how's #scratchbox ? |
| 15:44.17 | sp3000 | oh, I'm so late today am I not |
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| 15:44.44 | Stskeeps | wouldn't mind local sb2 experts |
| 15:45.23 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, we're docking all of your awesome points. |
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| 15:52.34 | cowbellemoo | Hey, can anyone point me to a wiki (or anything) on Mer? |
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| 15:55.50 | Meiz_n810 | trac.tspre.org/projects/m-r |
| 15:56.04 | Stskeeps | cowbellemoo: er, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , -- .. launchpad.net/m-r |
| 15:56.28 | Stskeeps | .. and this place |
| 15:57.27 | cowbellemoo | :D thanks all. |
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| 15:57.49 | Stskeeps | (me, johnx and Meiz_n810 are involved so far on devel side) |
| 15:59.39 | Stskeeps | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-quicknote-menuxwd.png , http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png is about how far we came in iteration 1 when we decided to restart and do it by the book :P |
| 16:05.02 | cowbellemoo | :O I'm not a dev, I just got curious when I started hearing about the ubuntu ARM focus |
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| 16:07.48 | GeneralAntilles | cowbellemoo, not really as exciting as it sounds |
| 16:08.31 | lcuk | dpeends on context, some are more excited than others |
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| 16:08.36 | Stskeeps | cowbellemoo: primary reason for mojo/ubuntu base was cos of upstart and initially that they targeted higher arm versions |
| 16:08.50 | cowbellemoo | my fanboy quotent is high, so my excitement threshold is low. :P |
| 16:08.53 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:09.01 | Stskeeps | and this is just some crazy people trying stuff out :) |
| 16:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's irritating when your music library gets large enough that you can't just spot a song you can't remember the name of. . . . |
| 16:09.52 | lcuk | cowbellemoo, listen to everything Stskeeps says, but when he starts talking about rainbows and government conspiracies just nod quietly ;) |
| 16:10.11 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: try to sing it in one of those applications ;) |
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| 16:10.52 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, it's probably best classified as electronica |
| 16:10.54 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, playlists should recall most played, or you should be able to simply bash buttons with device in pocket to indicate "i like this song" (alternatively it could mean "Im having a heartattack" |
| 16:11.06 | GeneralAntilles | and the primary sample seems to be from a bunch of German elementary school students. |
| 16:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, that would normally help, except my recently played numbers were recently nuked. |
| 16:12.14 | lcuk | well thats what they get for storing most played tracks in 32bit numbers, its inevitable that "britney spears best hits" will wrap eventually |
| 16:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | Guess it's George Clinton for the time being. . . . |
| 16:13.18 | lcuk | i have a couple of coding albums - stuff i can code to, most music puts me off |
| 16:13.51 | cowbellemoo | Lemme see if I have this: Nokia's next gen maemo is (was?) built for a non-backwards-compliant architecture, so making an alternative that was seemed a good idea. Did the next maemo (fremantle?) become backwards compatable later? |
| 16:14.23 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you must not be listening to the right stuff, then. |
| 16:14.34 | GeneralAntilles | cowbellemoo, huh? |
| 16:14.44 | RST38h | cowbellmoo: You are talking in past tense about something that has not yet been built |
| 16:14.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ubuntu's move really doesn't have anything to do with Maemo. |
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| 16:14.55 | lcuk | cowbellemoo, fremantle hasnt been released yet - are you posting from the future? |
| 16:15.24 | RST38h | lcuk: Achtung! He has got crystal balls! |
| 16:15.27 | Stskeeps | cowbellemoo: we have no clear idea if fremantle will exist for N8x0 or not yet |
| 16:15.42 | lardman | It's the LHC! |
| 16:15.52 | cowbellemoo | GeneralAntilles, lcuk, Sorry; I'm just thinking about the specs for fremantle in the past tense |
| 16:15.54 | X-Fade | lcuk: Don't you have it yet? We have all been playing with it for at least 6 months ;) |
| 16:15.55 | lcuk | must be |
| 16:16.01 | RST38h | larman: Or it WILL BE the LHC |
| 16:16.14 | cowbellemoo | Stskeeps, Ah, that clears alot up. |
| 16:16.19 | Myrtti | IANAMDAN should be added to every comment ;-) |
| 16:16.27 | Stskeeps | cowbellemoo: and the Mer thing wouldn't influence fremantle, probably - except in the opening of some things / minor changes |
| 16:16.30 | lcuk | x-fade, ive had it since march, what do you think liqbase is built from ;) |
| 16:16.31 | lardman | RST38h: unless those who came back before the suspicious helium leak sabotaged it to stop others..... |
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| 16:16.39 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: IANAMDAN? :P |
| 16:16.55 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: I Am Not A Maemo Developer At Nokia |
| 16:16.57 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:16.59 | RST38h | lardman: The helium leak was the comeback event, I guess |
| 16:17.15 | lcuk | oh myrtti, i thought you meant the guy who started the excellent FUCK FUCK FUCK thread |
| 16:17.27 | Myrtti | lol |
| 16:17.56 | lcuk | oh sorry, thats iamnotdrtran |
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| 16:18.09 | lcuk | close ;) |
| 16:18.20 | RST38h | Have Maemo mailing lists finally deteriorated to FUCK FUCK FUCK? |
| 16:18.30 | lcuk | no but jaiku ones have |
| 16:18.32 | Myrtti | RST38h: no, talking about jaiku threads |
| 16:18.45 | lcuk | quite relaxing at first actually, now its kinda sad |
| 16:19.02 | baaba | it does demonstrate considerable restraint that it hasn't gone to that :P |
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| 16:19.17 | Havi | fuckfuckfuck |
| 16:19.19 | lcuk | like those days you go to the coast and scream at the seaside knowing no1 is listening |
| 16:19.21 | woglinde | das ist witzig |
| 16:19.23 | woglinde | ups |
| 16:19.24 | woglinde | sorry |
| 16:19.27 | RST38h | oh |
| 16:19.40 | RST38h | lcuk: [scared] You do that? |
| 16:20.03 | lardman | lcuk: what's the seaside done to you? |
| 16:20.18 | Myrtti | lcuk: I have my own IRC prayer for that |
| 16:20.38 | Myrtti | I recite it all over and over again, and play few rounds of same gnome or something |
| 16:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at the new Mark⢠comment. |
| 16:20.51 | lcuk | heh @ u lot. the seaside is just someone who doesnt care how loud you shout at it |
| 16:21.29 | lcuk | it could be in your car after annoying cow orkers get to you, or at other opportune moments where swearing at people would be frowned upon |
| 16:21.30 | RST38h | General: Show! Show us his might! |
| 16:21.33 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i did that with forests :P |
| 16:21.37 | Stskeeps | poor forests. |
| 16:21.58 | RST38h | Sts: Try catching a squirrel and skinning it live next time! |
| 16:22.05 | lcuk | lol, did you see any bears crapping? |
| 16:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-November/023234.html |
| 16:23.01 | lcuk | speaking of cow orkers, bbl anyway |
| 16:23.17 | X-Fade | bacon? |
| 16:23.18 | lardman | lcuk: I just swear at people |
| 16:23.25 | lardman | lcuk: far more satisfying |
| 16:23.31 | lardman | ^ directly |
| 16:24.01 | lcuk | yes, but tact is important |
| 16:24.32 | lcuk | and i dont think ive ever actually swore at someone in anger :$ |
| 16:24.37 | RST38h | General: Well, he has got one thing right - the User/Developer division at Maemo.org may have to be clarified and the site should be advertised as the site for both |
| 16:24.54 | lcuk | bbl |
| 16:24.56 | RST38h | becomes very polite when angered |
| 16:25.09 | lardman | sends letters when annoyed |
| 16:25.12 | RST38h | Very, VERY polite. Almost like a lawyer. People absolutely LOVE that. |
| 16:25.34 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm sad to say but i thought maemo-users was for tablet users, too :P |
| 16:25.42 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, it is, now. |
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| 16:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is the home of the Maemo Community |
| 16:26.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's as simple as that. |
| 16:26.19 | Stskeeps | was nokia shifting away from OS notation and calling it Maemo now btw? |
| 16:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 16:26.27 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:26.28 | GeneralAntilles | Fremantle is Maemo 5 |
| 16:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | The problem is, "maemo" was traditionally the development platform |
| 16:26.48 | X-Fade | Which reminds me, we need to do a /downloads/ reorg ;) |
| 16:26.53 | GeneralAntilles | So somebody who used "maemo" was a developer |
| 16:27.17 | RST38h | X-Fade: You finally need to insure all karma components show up in profile =) |
| 16:27.17 | GeneralAntilles | People who developed the platform used maemo-developers |
| 16:27.30 | X-Fade | RST38h: They do? |
| 16:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | At some point that became people who develop for Maemo and people who use Maemo. |
| 16:27.45 | RST38h | X-Fade: Right now it truncates some data (like list of apps) and seems to hide certain components completely |
| 16:28.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: not for me - right now I am missing itt_thanks |
| 16:28.18 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ah, yeah that is per design spec. But can be changed. |
| 16:28.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: it was other fields before that |
| 16:28.25 | X-Fade | RST38h: And it does show posts? |
| 16:28.25 | lardman | bah, silly Americans and using insure instead of ensure ;) |
| 16:28.42 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yea, the truncation thing is obviously by design, but the missing components is not |
| 16:28.49 | RST38h | lardman: they use both |
| 16:28.52 | lardman | X-Fade: i agree that the lists should be fully visible |
| 16:29.06 | lardman | RST38h: so you're not one of them? |
| 16:29.07 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yes it shows posts |
| 16:29.24 | RST38h | lardman: I am more like the Odo guy in StarTrek |
| 16:29.44 | X-Fade | RST38h: We fetch those counts directly from itT, so perhaps there was a disconnect. |
| 16:29.52 | lardman | you can turn into a cabbage? (or arbitrary object) |
| 16:29.58 | lardman | or is that the wrong chap :D |
| 16:30.00 | RST38h | X-Fade: It looks like the score is actually counted, just not shown |
| 16:30.04 | X-Fade | RST38h: Btw, when was the last time you logged in at maemo.org? |
| 16:30.17 | RST38h | lardman: yea, although lacking this particular ability :) |
| 16:30.23 | RST38h | X-Fade: Today. |
| 16:30.24 | lardman | lol |
| 16:30.37 | X-Fade | Hmm.. |
| 16:30.58 | X-Fade | Need to go now, bbl. |
| 16:31.08 | RST38h | g'luck =) |
| 16:31.11 | lardman | RST38h: I'm suffering from missing groups too |
| 16:31.30 | lardman | and missing Discussion for that matter |
| 16:32.10 | Stskeeps | hm, did qtopia have a PIM, btw? |
| 16:32.15 | RST38h | it did |
| 16:32.23 | Stskeeps | .. wasn't that trolltech? |
| 16:32.35 | RST38h | Yep. |
| 16:32.46 | RST38h | ttg home |
| 16:32.51 | Stskeeps | .. why the hell don't nokia use that then? |
| 16:32.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:33.12 | RST38h | BTW, what is that Trolltech logo guy so scared of? Is he looking at Nokia people closing in? |
| 16:33.19 | RST38h | http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia2.0/html/face.png |
| 16:33.24 | Havi | Lol |
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| 16:33.47 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, what does that have to do with Americans? |
| 16:33.53 | GeneralAntilles | We use those words the same way you do. . . . |
| 16:35.13 | lardman | really? |
| 16:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, really. |
| 16:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | People are just stupid. |
| 16:35.30 | lardman | Oh, I seem to read lots of stuff that always says insure, so I assumed it was used to cover both |
| 16:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 16:35.41 | lardman | fair enough, my mistake, i take it back |
| 16:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's like to and too. |
| 16:36.02 | lardman | one less black mark against you lot ;) (still don't like the zed/zees mind you :) ) |
| 16:36.30 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: yeah, just use 2 shorter to text |
| 16:36.40 | sp3000 | hm, how do I convince apt that it won't need /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:37.35 | sp3000 | just wants to apt-get update and maybe apt-get search with no intention of doing anything that needs root |
| 16:38.09 | Havi | Damned Americans |
| 16:38.22 | Havi | Especially middle-North Americans |
| 16:38.27 | Havi | I hate them so much |
| 16:38.30 | lardman | Havi: I wasn't going quite that far! |
| 16:39.24 | GeneralAntilles | Havi's a self-hating American. |
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| 16:43.05 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Jaunty has synaptic :) |
| 16:43.11 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 16:43.38 | Meiz_n810 | i don't understand why mojo releases don't |
| 16:43.57 | sp3000 | doesn't want to go through a fakechroot dance |
| 16:45.54 | lardman | sp3000: presumably the apt db accesses are non-atomic |
| 16:46.08 | GeneralAntilles | plays a Polka for sp3000. |
| 16:46.47 | baaba | sp3000, sdk+? |
| 16:47.28 | sp3000 | lardman: sure, but I'm not interested in touching any database in the neighborhood of the lock it insists on getting |
| 16:47.45 | sp3000 | and I don't see an option to configure that path :( |
| 16:49.09 | lardman | sp3000: ah, do you not have write access to the location then? |
| 16:49.51 | sp3000 | I don't want to clobber the system's dpkg foo :) |
| 16:49.56 | lardman | sp3000: I was thinking of the design of the apt database system, presumably it doesn't work with a server, so you must open it exclusively, which means a lock |
| 16:50.31 | sp3000 | I'm ok with locking, I just want a different "it" |
| 16:51.18 | lardman | I've no quick-fix ideas I'm afraid |
| 16:51.20 | sp3000 | ooh |
| 16:51.33 | sp3000 | ok, so yeah, the config example was confusing |
| 16:51.41 | GAN800 | Anybody have an idea of what it'll take to get easy-to-install AIM/Yahoo/MSN support out of the box for rtcomm? |
| 16:52.00 | sp3000 | Dir "/" -> State "var/lib/apt/" -> status "/var/lib/dpkg/status"; is the one I want, but the var/lib/apt bit distracted me |
| 16:54.43 | lardman | GAN800: the extra protocols aren't the issue though are they, it's rtcomm itself? |
| 16:55.08 | lardman | sp3000: no idea, sorry, use dpkg directly? |
| 16:55.35 | sp3000 | no, I should be ok now, I found the right config (for this bit, dunno if more evil lurks behind the corner) |
| 16:56.45 | GAN800 | lardman, they're installable from the Colabora repo with two packages. |
| 16:57.10 | qwerty12 | The question should be, what will it take for Nokia to finally include the rtcomm beta preinstalled? Minus MSN support, the other components have had no problems :) |
| 16:57.11 | lardman | directly and without needing Red Pill? |
| 16:57.18 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 16:57.27 | lardman | well I guess it will come as it was/is a beta still |
| 16:58.00 | woglinde | bye till later |
| 16:58.38 | qwerty12 | yerga, yeah, I forgot to mention I forgot to include the hildon & osso build-deps :/ |
| 16:58.51 | woglinde | qwerty haha |
| 16:58.54 | yerga | qwerty12, ;) |
| 16:59.06 | yerga | no problem I will upload it again |
| 16:59.09 | GAN800 | qwerty12, legal issue |
| 16:59.18 | GAN800 | Gotta license with the providers. |
| 16:59.21 | qwerty12 | woglinde, :P, I'm not used to adding build deps because scratchbox has everything :P |
| 16:59.25 | lardman | cu tomorrow chaps |
| 16:59.27 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Ah, fair enough :) |
| 16:59.33 | qwerty12 | bye lardman|gone, woglinde |
| 16:59.36 | qwerty12 | yerga, hehe ;P |
| 16:59.54 | yerga | qwerty12, is necessary libssl 0.9.8? |
| 17:00.01 | yerga | chinook only has 0.9.7 |
| 17:00.28 | qwerty12 | yerga, nope, change it to (>= 0.9.7) if you wish, diablo build should still use 0.9.8 |
| 17:01.01 | yerga | yeah, will change it for chinook |
| 17:01.58 | sp3000 | ahh |
| 17:02.03 | sp3000 | wins, I think |
| 17:02.18 | qwerty12 | 1 - 0 to sp3000 |
| 17:03.11 | sp3000 | needed « Dir "/path/where-ever"; Dir::State::status "/path/where-ever/var/lib/dpkg/status"; » |
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| 17:15.06 | qwerty12 | ~seen dannym |
| 17:15.10 | infobot | dannym <i=d5960157@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7d8b24642712a741> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 45d 8h 8m 35s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
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| 17:50.38 | lcuk | Stskeeps, not good |
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| 18:08.14 | slonopotamus | hi |
| 18:08.36 | slonopotamus | where i can get deblet's bootmenu sources? |
| 18:09.14 | slonopotamus | deblet-installer has Depends: bootmenu |
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| 18:09.50 | suihkulokki | slonopotamus: somewhere under here: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser |
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| 18:10.45 | slonopotamus | nope |
| 18:10.57 | slonopotamus | searched there |
| 18:12.17 | slonopotamus | opensource... huh. |
| 18:12.35 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus, bootmenu is a script... |
| 18:12.53 | slonopotamus | deblet-installer has Depends: bootmenu |
| 18:12.58 | qwerty12 | Minus that, https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=80 |
| 18:13.09 | qwerty12 | So? |
| 18:13.19 | slonopotamus | hm |
| 18:13.38 | slonopotamus | script dependency? |
| 18:13.57 | qwerty12 | bootmenu gets installed along with the deblet installer |
| 18:14.10 | script | dependency who? |
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| 18:14.22 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 18:14.24 | qwerty12 | script, time to change your nick :P |
| 18:14.29 | script | ;) |
| 18:14.29 | slonopotamus | omg |
| 18:14.35 | script | once a month .. |
| 18:16.38 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, bootmenu is a package, from your link. |
| 18:17.00 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus, yeah, I said it's a script in response to your opensource comment |
| 18:17.10 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, is that thing a 'fanoush bootmenu'.? |
| 18:17.43 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus, I guess. With Stskeeps's item.d modification |
| 18:18.49 | slonopotamus | and with a feature for loading on-mmc linuxrc? |
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| 18:19.32 | slonopotamus | cp /mnt/new_root/$2 /tmp/linuxrc |
| 18:19.32 | slonopotamus | ahha |
| 18:19.52 | RST38h | moo. |
| 18:19.56 | slonopotamus | that 'fanoush bootmenu' is fanousher than mine |
| 18:22.02 | slonopotamus | everyone's cheating... lost an hour trying to understand why my 'fanoush bootmenu' doesn't read linuxrc from partition |
| 18:22.14 | qwerty12 | Sigh.. The joys of finding one of your friends on a warez site... |
| 18:22.54 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 18:24.20 | lcuk | qwerty12, could be worse - i assume your mum uses an alias :P |
| 18:25.20 | qwerty12 | lcuk, lol, she can't even use the computer (sorry mum) :P |
| 18:25.50 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:25.57 | lcuk | is freezing |
| 18:26.02 | qwerty12 | Oi, my mum isn't my friend :P |
| 18:26.06 | qwerty12 | is slow today |
| 18:26.38 | lcuk | different to usual? :P |
| 18:27.44 | qwerty12 | slips another northener crack in lcuk's preinst |
| 18:28.15 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:28.22 | qwerty12 | :P :D |
| 18:28.38 | lcuk | any idea why gan only found a really long lens blurry shot of dneary? |
| 18:28.56 | lcuk | its like one of those pictures you see in the newspaper "police are looking for. ..." |
| 18:28.58 | dneary | lcuk: Because I ran away? |
| 18:29.00 | qwerty12 | dneary's in hiding |
| 18:29.01 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:29.09 | dneary | lcuk: Which picture are you talking about? |
| 18:29.14 | lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team |
| 18:29.16 | dneary | I can ship you one if needs be |
| 18:29.21 | lcuk | not me |
| 18:29.24 | lcuk | im just a user |
| 18:29.43 | dneary | I think it's because he took IM buddy icons |
| 18:29.49 | dneary | He didn't ask me for a photo |
| 18:29.53 | lcuk | yeah most likely |
| 18:29.58 | dneary | Or maemo.org buddy icons |
| 18:30.15 | lcuk | actually, it reminds me more of those lock ness photos |
| 18:30.51 | lcuk | how you doin dave |
| 18:31.10 | Myrtti | holy heck the COSS logo on maemo.org front page scared me |
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| 18:31.57 | lcuk | its quite stark |
| 18:32.30 | Myrtti | I'm mainly just bored with it |
| 18:32.50 | Myrtti | YMMV. |
| 18:32.54 | lcuk | has never seen it to be bored |
| 18:32.58 | lcuk | but its not very exciting |
| 18:33.03 | lcuk | it doesnt fill me with happy thoughts |
| 18:33.18 | Myrtti | I still have few of my old business cards left :-> |
| 18:33.21 | lcuk | what should it be? |
| 18:34.02 | Myrtti | *yawn* |
| 18:35.13 | lcuk | Myrtti, could you do something create with them? (make a small bonfire in your room or something?) |
| 18:35.33 | Myrtti | naah, I can still give them away |
| 18:35.50 | Myrtti | but when I'm out, I'm out. |
| 18:36.12 | Myrtti | which reminds me that I've still not ordered Ubuntu business cards. |
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| 18:53.22 | hahlobit | this bootloader is too complicated to me :P always some os doesn't boot :P |
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| 19:09.24 | mikkov_ | fiferboy: ping |
| 19:09.46 | fiferboy | mikkov_: Hi |
| 19:13.35 | mikkov_ | hi |
| 19:13.44 | guysoft42 | hey, does anyone have any kind of information on the microb browser and extensions building for it? because we got foxmarks employees interested in it: http://getsatisfaction.com/foxmarks/topics/foxmarks_on_maemo_microb_browser?utm_content=reply_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification#reply_677864 |
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| 19:13.53 | mikkov_ | fiferboy: boost is coming up ;) |
| 19:14.00 | fiferboy | With serialization? |
| 19:14.08 | mikkov_ | yes |
| 19:14.16 | fiferboy | Wow! Thanks! |
| 19:14.35 | mikkov_ | wave failed on me this time, but I'Ã'll make another try |
| 19:14.36 | fiferboy | I don't know how you managed to get it to build. It always chokes near the start for me |
| 19:14.53 | mikkov_ | it's some toolchain issue |
| 19:14.58 | mikkov_ | I have it too ;) |
| 19:15.37 | fiferboy | That just makes it more impressive |
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| 19:16.31 | dneary | lcuk: This better for you? https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Dave_and_sean_small.jpg |
| 19:21.38 | fiferboy | mikkov_: Do you know if regex is going to be built? |
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| 19:25.01 | oli-n800 | could anyone be so kind and test gtalk video calls with me? plz /q if so ;) |
| 19:25.02 | mikkov_ | fiferboy: gotta wait and see ;) I enable it for next build but I haven't tested it |
| 19:26.16 | lcuk | dneary, :d heh yeah, you have focus and clarity (how olds your little one now?) |
| 19:26.38 | dneary | He'll be 2 in July |
| 19:26.43 | dneary | So... 16 months? |
| 19:28.32 | mikkov_ | fiferboy: but serialization I tested with my other machine. It's just faster to test with autobuilder because my machines are pretty slow |
| 19:29.24 | fiferboy | That's fantastic. Thanks for doing the legwork getting boost working. |
| 19:30.50 | lcuk | :D awww dneary mine are much bigger now, just watch for the terrible twos :P |
| 19:31.09 | dneary | That one's my third - been there, done that :) |
| 19:32.49 | RST38h | moo |
| 19:33.00 | dneary | Thomas: 7 in June, Paul: 4 in March, Sean: 2 in July |
| 19:33.35 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: ping |
| 19:34.03 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, pong |
| 19:34.03 | rm_you | status of rotation-support/mmc/etc kernel as of latest diablo update? |
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| 19:34.16 | rm_you | been away for a while |
| 19:34.19 | rm_you | need to find a new kernel |
| 19:34.24 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, works, www.outpo.st/rotate |
| 19:34.44 | lcuk | dneary haha then you have been busy |
| 19:34.58 | dneary | and will be for another 16 years or so |
| 19:35.05 | dneary | Bye :) |
| 19:35.14 | rm_you | wtf |
| 19:35.14 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, not my link, wait... |
| 19:35.19 | rm_you | my DNS doesn't know www.outpo.st |
| 19:35.26 | rm_you | isn't that right? |
| 19:35.31 | rm_you | it's jott's hosting |
| 19:35.49 | qwerty12_N800 | ~rotate |
| 19:35.55 | qwerty12_N800 | ~rotation |
| 19:36.13 | qwerty12_N800 | bollox |
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| 19:36.36 | rm_you | wtf |
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| 19:36.47 | rm_you | the google cache works but the page won't load with my current DNS |
| 19:37.26 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, http://outpo.st/rotate/ - jott doesn't believe in www. :) |
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| 19:38.19 | qwerty12_N800 | that 1 click install don't work with current app-mgr, add repo and apt-get install rotation-support-n800 |
| 19:38.55 | rm_you | no srsly, my dns can't find outpo.st |
| 19:38.58 | rm_you | wtf |
| 19:40.00 | rm_you | switching to verizon DNS servers |
| 19:40.20 | RST38h | rm_me |
| 19:43.57 | lcuk | sneezes |
| 19:45.30 | rm_you | bah have to do this later |
| 19:45.32 | rm_you | late for work |
| 19:45.37 | rm_you | grumbles |
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| 19:47.31 | fiferboy | mikkov_: Do you packages build for chinook as well? |
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| 19:51.00 | bef0rd | ~flashing |
| 19:51.01 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:52.15 | hahlobit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.44 | hahlobit | ups space |
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| 20:01.56 | lcuk | does anyone have experience with SDL_TTF fonts |
| 20:02.10 | lcuk | (whether in maemo or not) |
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| 20:27.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: deblet bootmenu src is at garage bootmenu svn btw |
| 20:28.14 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i know, i gave him the link to garage |
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| 20:29.53 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:30.08 | Stskeeps | sorry, just woke up after a nap that was longer than it was supposed to be :P |
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| 20:33.38 | RST38h | All right, gentlemen, here is the second Android Phone! |
| 20:33.40 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/11/zzzandroid.jpg |
| 20:33.49 | RST38h | (do try not to throw up) |
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| 20:40.21 | Stskeeps | is that a sex toy or a phone? |
| 20:40.45 | doc|home | why would they have to be mutually exclusive? |
| 20:40.58 | X-Fade | "Menu now conforms to UI spec v 1.4 |
| 20:41.03 | X-Fade | Interesting ;) |
| 20:42.40 | Stskeeps | is annoyed libhildon isn't being updated in public |
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| 20:44.31 | Stskeeps | but that's an interesting thing to write an article about |
| 20:45.01 | l7 | makes a mental note never to borrow doc|home's phone |
| 20:45.37 | doc|home | switches off vibrate :/ |
| 20:45.39 | Stskeeps | competiveness in hw markets by doing offline development, which you contribute close enough to release/announcement, so cheap chinese producers can't possibly catch up |
| 20:45.46 | l7 | lol |
| 20:47.10 | jahor | hi does exist some app to have two page up/down virtual keys on the screen to have easy accessible scrolling on n810 please? |
| 20:47.30 | Stskeeps | think pdf uses something like that |
| 20:47.45 | l7 | jahor: like in osso xterm? |
| 20:49.24 | jahor | nope. idealy on right top and bottom edge of the screen |
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| 20:50.18 | jahor | when reading in public transport .. deadly usable without opening the keyboard |
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| 20:58.46 | lcuk | thinks he just added double buffering to liqbase but cant tell the difference in speed |
| 20:59.09 | Stskeeps | heh, neat http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/11/24/nokia-build-website-lets-your-dream-7310-supernova-come-alive/ - themeing your physical look of your phone |
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| 21:04.57 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: heh, glib build is 3 hours 30 minutes so far.. |
| 21:06.32 | lcuk | bangs head on wall |
| 21:07.55 | Stskeeps | forgot to draw into the buffer, then switch, and just drew on both? :P |
| 21:09.51 | lcuk | no i left the wait until render complete |
| 21:10.05 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 21:10.07 | lcuk | ie even though i was switching buffers i was still going slowly |
| 21:10.24 | lcuk | but its barely noticable even now :| |
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| 21:11.13 | Stskeeps | i've found it's hard to determine UI perfromance |
| 21:11.15 | Stskeeps | performance |
| 21:11.38 | Stskeeps | i mean, you can see if something is slow, but i've lost the ability to tell if a boot sequence is 30 or 45 secos |
| 21:12.04 | lcuk | get a big clock displaying seconds and you will keep track |
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| 21:13.44 | Stskeeps | yeah, i had to resort to timing it |
| 21:15.16 | lcuk | ballsack! |
| 21:16.24 | lcuk | single buffering drawing sketch: i simply append the tiny bit of new data onto the already existing sketch. refresh. works a charm and is quick |
| 21:16.47 | lcuk | now, i have 2 broken sketch portions |
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| 21:18.31 | l7 | why does /tmp only show up as 512k when i invoke du? |
| 21:18.50 | l7 | i'm sure i have more virtual memory than that |
| 21:19.12 | qwerty12_N800 | /tmp != VM |
| 21:19.49 | qwerty12_N800 | tmp is mounted on the initfs partition which is 2mb |
| 21:20.15 | qwerty12_N800 | use /var/tmp to store tmp files if the need arises |
| 21:22.44 | l7 | ah |
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| 21:26.53 | guysoft422 | hey, i was thinking on installing the android like so: http://www.talkandroid.com/134-android-nokia-n810-install/ . the thing is i have my primary OS on mmc2, will this screw up my bootloader? |
| 21:28.10 | l7 | oh right, free is the proper command to check vm |
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| 21:33.38 | guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800,did you you build the android installer? |
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| 21:35.55 | Stskeeps | wtf, olpc xo's need developer keys? .. :P |
| 21:36.14 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft422, just the diablo kernel (the patch wasn't mine but i did some work in bringing it from chinook) |
| 21:37.23 | Stskeeps | signed firmware and all |
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| 21:37.58 | Stskeeps | has the world gone mad or are tablets and freerunner the last bastions regarding open devices? :P |
| 21:38.53 | guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, if i have a system on mmc2, and i run that.. will it destroy it? |
| 21:39.02 | l7 | it's the last alliance of tablets and freerunners |
| 21:39.14 | l7 | everyone else joined Mordor |
| 21:39.24 | l7 | there is Android, but it doesn't seem that free to me |
| 21:40.01 | RST38h | Ho ho ho ho |
| 21:40.01 | l7 | why does olpc require developer keys? |
| 21:40.10 | RST38h | plays with his ring |
| 21:40.54 | RST38h | l7: Stupid people think that having signed apps protects their product from viruses |
| 21:41.45 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft422, no idea |
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| 21:42.12 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, symbian really took the piss there :\ |
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| 21:43.36 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft422, that android is v.old now though |
| 21:44.03 | guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, ah, do you know of a new one then? |
| 21:44.22 | qwerty12_N800 | no :/ |
| 21:45.11 | l7 | oh yeah symbian is open source |
| 21:45.44 | l7 | hrm, an openssh client session uses less than 400k |
| 21:46.17 | Stskeeps | l7: open platform, closed devices |
| 21:46.28 | Stskeeps | (android) |
| 21:46.42 | Stskeeps | l7: i have no clue why it requires developer keys, i was surprised too |
| 21:47.16 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_Developer_Keys |
| 21:47.30 | RST38h | qwerty: Yea, it allows self signed certificates |
| 21:47.33 | l7 | a roxterm tab uses about 1700k on the other hand |
| 21:47.41 | RST38h | qwerty: Which kinda defeats purpose of signing |
| 21:47.56 | RST38h | And not having those certificates makes development impossible |
| 21:48.13 | RST38h | Heheheheheheee: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/11/Sony_Reader_PRS-700_review_opener.jpg |
| 21:49.00 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, i just remember all the crap I had to go through to install binpda stuff :P |
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| 21:52.08 | l7 | RST38h: which article is that from? |
| 21:54.53 | aquatix | RST38h: thanks, now i have to buy another keyboard |
| 21:54.58 | aquatix | whoops |
| 21:55.03 | aquatix | scrollback error |
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| 21:55.10 | aquatix | RST38h: was talking about that android phone |
| 21:55.54 | qwerty12_N800 | gives aquatix a ticket to go to the present |
| 21:56.36 | l7 | the sony reader looks pretty neat |
| 21:56.40 | l7 | now that it can annotate |
| 21:57.23 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: thanks! |
| 21:57.33 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
| 21:57.46 | aquatix | is present again o/ |
| 21:57.50 | lcuk | aquatix, make sure you only redeem that ticket once or it will be like groundhog day |
| 21:58.04 | aquatix | lcuk: ooh |
| 21:58.10 | aquatix | that'd be... interesting :/ |
| 21:58.25 | aquatix | also remembers an X-Files episode |
| 21:59.15 | l7 | aquatix: hmm, why do you need a new keyboard? |
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| 22:00.56 | RST38h | l7: Who cares? :) |
| 22:01.33 | l7 | RST38h: you like reading from the tablet? |
| 22:02.05 | l7 | i find reading too much text on an LCD gives me a headache |
| 22:02.11 | Stskeeps | likes reading and annotating on tablet |
| 22:02.24 | Stskeeps | though i wouldnt mind a way to show it on a bigger screen occasionally |
| 22:02.38 | l7 | how do you annotate? |
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| 22:02.53 | l7 | FBreader doesn't have that feature from what i recall |
| 22:02.55 | aquatix | l7: i puked when seeing that fugly pink android beast |
| 22:03.13 | aquatix | 21:33:40 RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/11/zzzandroid.jpg |
| 22:03.15 | l7 | lol |
| 22:03.28 | Stskeeps | l7: xournal |
| 22:03.31 | Stskeeps | annotate pdf |
| 22:03.33 | aquatix | but i then figured it was posten 1.5h ago ;) |
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| 22:04.20 | l7 | aquatix: man that is ugly |
| 22:04.28 | aquatix | l7: yup... |
| 22:04.37 | l7 | what are the knobs? |
| 22:04.42 | l7 | are the nipples? |
| 22:04.47 | aquatix | i hope so |
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| 22:04.50 | l7 | ew |
| 22:05.02 | aquatix | wouldn't know, just got the link from RST38h |
| 22:05.44 | l7 | well there is that quote about the nipple being the only intuitive interface |
| 22:06.00 | l7 | still, it seems wrong on a phone |
| 22:06.28 | lcuk | its only wrong cos theres no milk |
| 22:06.45 | aquatix | :) |
| 22:07.46 | aquatix | lcuk: well, i prefer them milkless generally |
| 22:08.06 | Stskeeps | woo, http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/presence/49624326 \o/ |
| 22:08.15 | Stskeeps | (heart means it compiled for both source, i386 and armel) |
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| 22:08.24 | lcuk | ahhhh stage 2, to examine that API you must first know how to unlock the bra |
| 22:09.16 | RST38h | l7: Yea, tablet reading is fine with me |
| 22:09.35 | RST38h | Although in a pinch I can even read off E70 |
| 22:11.28 | lcuk | should i annotate my text or should i textify my sketches .. |
| 22:11.50 | lcuk | or should i turn my text into annotations |
| 22:12.14 | Juhaz | throw dice? |
| 22:12.52 | lcuk | firstly i best undo the double buffering |
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| 22:15.29 | RST38h | Do the boring stuff first |
| 22:15.52 | RST38h | Make it a real app, UI, icons, installer, etc |
| 22:15.53 | lcuk | yes, which is why ive been pondering colored glyph rendering |
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| 22:16.12 | lcuk | still have limitations |
| 22:16.25 | RST38h | lcuk: For UI, use white icons with black outlines - it is the standard way to show contrast icons |
| 22:17.05 | lcuk | mmm the whole ui is black anyway |
| 22:17.23 | RST38h | Check out this screenshot: http://filearchive.cnews.ru/img/zoom/2008/08/29/vi2_17815.jpg |
| 22:17.43 | RST38h | Good example of how to do UI in applications where you do not control what is underneath |
| 22:18.01 | lcuk | its the text color thats limited, not images or sketches |
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| 22:19.20 | RST38h | lcuk: right - they are the background in this case =) |
| 22:19.45 | RST38h | lcuk: but UI icons will also be limited in color, just like text because you want them to stand out above background |
| 22:20.23 | lcuk | thats not important for now though, as i said icons can be anything i want them to be |
| 22:21.01 | lcuk | the algo quite simply will not render anything other than white text on a background |
| 22:21.46 | lcuk | so if i have a white background i see nothing |
| 22:22.02 | lcuk | i have to alpha blend the text |
| 22:22.14 | lcuk | which will slow it down dramatically |
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| 22:23.21 | lcuk | i can sidestep the issue by actually rendering hand drawn sketches as glyphs, but i have been looking at alternatives using ttf still |
| 22:25.39 | RST38h | What do you need the text anyway? |
| 22:26.27 | Stskeeps | lcuk: why isn't freetype usable btw? |
| 22:26.32 | lcuk | i dont, but if people want to read documents with a white background (as has been requested) then it has to work |
| 22:26.48 | Stskeeps | i mean, you can't be the first with a YUV backend :P |
| 22:26.57 | lcuk | freetype returns a greyscale bitmap, this still needs colorizing and blitting |
| 22:27.02 | RST38h | lcuk: But this does nt sound like must-have functionality |
| 22:27.06 | lcuk | and, yes i can |
| 22:27.10 | Stskeeps | lcuk: ah |
| 22:27.31 | RST38h | Decent UI is a must have though |
| 22:27.34 | lcuk | RST38h, its been an annoyance for a while |
| 22:27.43 | lcuk | i agree, it all goes hand in hand |
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| 22:28.07 | lcuk | im right in the core again and whilst im here im trying to make sure ive catered for everything required |
| 22:28.33 | lcuk | the next step is the tile based widget sets and explicitely the ->textcolor property... |
| 22:29.37 | lcuk | ok, supposing i left it as a stub |
| 22:30.05 | lcuk | ill leave a big todo and a few links about what ive discovered and the directions ive tried |
| 22:30.29 | lcuk | so it will be easier for myself (or someone else) to pickup later :) |
| 22:31.57 | Stskeeps | .. you know you've been working in academic setting too long when it comes easily to you to come up with paper titles |
| 22:32.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:32.34 | lcuk | lol |
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| 22:35.07 | lcuk | emma, i smiled, was anything meant to happen? |
| 22:41.20 | emma | lcuk: now you feel good about yourself :) |
| 22:42.28 | lcuk | :D excellent, i thought it was an inventive way to get emotes into flat text irc |
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| 22:50.11 | lardman | evening |
| 22:50.37 | lcuk | hiya |
| 22:50.49 | lcuk | kicks double buffering to the kirb |
| 22:52.22 | lardman | hey gary, how's things? |
| 22:53.08 | lcuk | tough, im trying to fix a limitation, can only draw fonts in white on a dark background, wanting to allow any color |
| 22:54.26 | lardman | fonts, sounds like something to do with a gui to me... ;) |
| 22:54.32 | lcuk | is everything ok with you? |
| 22:54.35 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:54.46 | lardman | yeah not bad, pretty busy |
| 22:54.56 | lcuk | arent we all |
| 22:55.19 | lardman | so true, and pretty much all non-busy time is spent xmas shopping, uurgh |
| 22:55.27 | lcuk | i did find one way to solve my crisis by the way, but its kinda strange |
| 22:55.38 | lcuk | mmm xmas shopping, yes |
| 22:55.44 | lcuk | i tihnk tracy already got most tihngs |
| 22:57.20 | lcuk | hmmm |
| 22:57.23 | lcuk | think and things |
| 23:00.56 | lcuk | lardman, http://liqbase.net/liq.20081124_225643.gary.scr.png barring actually correctly scaling them, a handwritten font is colorable, scalable and rotatable and relatively fast |
| 23:01.13 | lcuk | (the scaling is not done because im not sure if i want to continue |
| 23:01.26 | lardman | cool, looks very nice |
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| 23:01.34 | lcuk | for a ransom note |
| 23:01.59 | lardman | how do you decide which bits are which colours, do the gaps in the strokes separate the objects? |
| 23:02.29 | lardman | so it does recognition too then? |
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| 23:02.36 | lcuk | i make a grid |
| 23:02.36 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081123_012734.gary.scr.rot.png |
| 23:02.55 | lcuk | then just draw the font, the colorization at the moment is just something none white |
| 23:03.17 | lcuk | its rotated wrong in that one, hang on |
| 23:03.22 | lardman | ah, so it's not handwritten, it's your own font |
| 23:03.30 | lardman | that's ok, I understand |
| 23:03.56 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081124_225420.gary.scr.png |
| 23:03.58 | lardman | the GPL is not handwritten that is, you just rendered it using your custom hand-written font glyphs |
| 23:04.23 | lardman | cool :) |
| 23:04.27 | lcuk | yeah, when it comes to a point when it needs to render a glyph, if there is a sketch in the table it will use it |
| 23:05.00 | lcuk | just fannying around, but getting ideas for other things |
| 23:05.50 | lardman | next thing is to replace entire words with images/sketches |
| 23:05.52 | lardman | :) |
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| 23:06.09 | lardman | so if you write "bacon" you get a rasher rather than words :) |
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| 23:06.17 | lcuk | :) you mean after writing a word simply be able to physics it ;) |
| 23:06.21 | lcuk | hehehehe |
| 23:06.34 | lcuk | i was thinking more bacon becomes a gateway to rasherworld |
| 23:06.40 | lardman | yes, physicing words would be cool too |
| 23:06.41 | lcuk | click and open the whole bacon info |
| 23:06.54 | lcuk | hyperlinks :) |
| 23:06.58 | lcuk | but hand drawn |
| 23:07.04 | lardman | click and it turns on your auto-grill, connected via wifi |
| 23:07.14 | lcuk | :D |
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| 23:11.06 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 23:11.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: am i supposed to be able to edit on wiki without https? |
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