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00:00.55lcukthe more i look at these older OSes and systems, the more I want to get hold of them :) im gonna get myself a newton as soon as I possibly can
00:01.43lcukanyway, im vanishing, its been a long day
00:01.59lcukgnite t_s_o qwerty gen etc :)
00:02.04t_s_onight
00:07.40lights234bye bye
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00:14.41dieb_hi, what is the default music folder? /home/user/.MyDocs/Music ?
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00:43.09jaemhello
00:43.58jaemjust wondering... does anybody know why disabling bluetooth in the GUI doesn't stop the BT services to save resources?
00:45.38Stskeepsthink it probably will in fremantle
00:46.06jaemthanks - I couldn't see any good reason for that...
00:47.35jaemalso, any word on SOCKS proxy support?  I noticed references to it in the if-up script, but it's not in the GUI.  Given that it doesn't support TTLS-PAP (what my uni uses), I'd like to be able to tunnel through my desktop with ssh
00:52.38sp3000gah wtfpileupbbq bug 2639
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00:57.20sp3000giggles at the suggestion that documentation would help cover ux changes in a minor release
00:57.28tigruxis away: Away
00:57.38sp3000slaps tigrux
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01:14.35jagernotquite a bit of crowd today: time to pimp my work in progress sound synth for n810: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar_1.0-1_armel.deb
01:14.42jagernotcomments appreciated :)
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03:45.17zakkmAnyone know a good way to read cbr's on the nokia?
03:50.50disco_stuzakkm: what are cbr's ?
03:51.06zakkmcbr = comic book reader.. its a zip file with images in it
03:51.20disco_stuzakkm: there is something for that i guess
03:51.21zakkmbut evince can open it, but its too slow to be anywhere near usable
03:51.29zakkmthere is a program , but its way too slow too
03:51.29disco_studid you check the repo ?
03:51.34disco_stuok
03:51.37zakkmyeah i have most
03:51.51zakkmi was wondering if there was a hidden good program in garage or something
03:52.01zakkmor a cbr support in some program i dont know about
03:52.05disco_stuzakkm: dont think so
03:52.07zakkmor some other way to use it or something
03:52.20zakkmlike should i unzip in maemo, and then use image viewer? or something
03:53.56disco_stuzakkm: i was planning to do some kind of program that could work in a similar way as a cbr reader
03:54.01disco_stubut to pack slides
03:54.17disco_stuso you could practices speeches or something
03:54.18zakkmplannig to port or create?
03:54.37disco_stucreate i guess
03:54.42zakkmcbr is strictly comic book though, and the problem is is its compressed zip
03:54.44zakkmcbz = rar
03:54.53zakkmso it has to uncompress when open "on-the-fly"
03:55.33disco_stuzakkm: what is the average file size you are using
03:55.36disco_stu?
03:55.42zakkm18mb
03:55.49zakkmits a normal comic book issue.
03:55.51disco_stuhow many slides ?
03:56.10zakkmpages... 20?
03:56.17disco_stualright
03:56.20zakkm26*
03:56.33zakkmthey're about 396kb jpg's
03:56.38disco_stusounds reasonable
03:56.49disco_studont know how it could be so slow
03:56.51zakkmevince takes like 5min to open it.. and my nokia is frozen during that
03:57.01zakkmand then its just overall slow.. so i cant like read it
03:57.02disco_stuwhoa
03:57.04zakkmits not worth it at all
03:57.08disco_stu5 min
03:57.13zakkmtheres a actual comic book program for it too
03:57.21zakkmcbrpager.. thats a bit better.. but nothing worthwhile
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04:02.36zetherooone thing I noticed with Maemo Mapper is that when you acquire a route it will usually be one which is technically the shortest route in kilometres but not the fastest route. Is there a way to change that?
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04:33.11zetheroowhich is the "swap button" on the N810000?
04:33.14zetherooN810*
04:33.53disco_stuzetheroo: the one with two squares
04:34.01zetheroook .. thanks
04:34.50zetherooI am reflashing to the latest OS2008 release ... maybe that will fix my flite/mapper issue ... :)
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04:35.52disco_stuzetheroo: hope so
04:36.01disco_stugood luck
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04:49.11zetheroothis command does not work
04:49.11zetheroosudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
04:50.17disco_stuzetheroo: what error you got ?
04:50.38zakkmwhere is the bin file, where you installing to?
04:51.18zetheroosudo: ./flasher-3.0: command not found
04:51.26disco_stulol
04:51.30zakkmis the file flash-3.0 there?
04:51.32disco_stuyou need to download flasher
04:52.09zakkmhow frequent are diablo releases?
04:52.16zetherooyes
04:52.24zetherooI am in my Desktop folder
04:52.26zetherooand its here
04:52.30disco_stuzakkm: that is a kind of question only GeneralAntilles can answer
04:52.33zakkmspelled the same?
04:52.35zetheroothis happened before
04:52.43zetherooyes
04:52.53zakkmGeneralAntiles: you have been asked for, are you there? :)
04:53.03zakkmI require your expertise
04:53.08disco_stuzetheroo: you are pointing it out wrong
04:53.17zetheroohuhhh?
04:53.31disco_stuzetheroo: flahser is not it yor CWD
04:53.45zetherooCWD?
04:53.55disco_stucurrent working directory
04:54.27zetherooI am in Desktop and I do ls
04:54.31zetherooand its there
04:54.38zetherooflasher-3.0
04:54.47disco_studid you chmod it ?
04:54.49GeneralAntilleszakkm, every 1-3 months
04:54.55zetheroochmod ... no
04:54.58disco_stuchmod +x
04:55.06disco_stuto flasher
04:55.22zakkmWow, it does work.. you need someone and they're here :)
04:55.22disco_stuand try again
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04:55.44disco_stuzakkm: they are all bots.. keep the secret
04:55.44zetherooso the command is : chmod +x flasher-3.0
04:55.50disco_stuzetheroo: aha
04:55.56zetherooyes?
04:55.59disco_stuyes
04:56.15zakkmchmod +x flasher-3.0 would just make it executable wouldnt it?
04:56.20disco_sturight
04:56.29zetheroook .. its working
04:56.34zakkmso he needs the other one afterwards
04:56.35zetheroowhy is that info not in the wiki?
04:56.51zetherooit really should be there
04:56.59disco_stuzetheroo: because it so obvios for Linux users.. that they forgot
04:57.00zakkmdepends your linux setup :P
04:57.10disco_stus/obvios/obvious/
04:58.20disco_stuwhen you execute "ls" and you see that a file is there, if you know that that file is an executable program it should be colored green
04:58.35GeneralAntilleszetheroo, I'm quite certain it is. . . .
04:59.00disco_stuso whitout noticing you end up doing it automatically
04:59.02zetherooGeneralAntilles: well it may be somewhere ... but not where it would help the most
04:59.18disco_studamn, my spelling skills are down
04:59.54GeneralAntilleszetheroo, that's basically one of the basest skills in Linux, though.
05:00.26zetherooGeneralAntilles: :) ..
05:05.47disco_stuboring night.. isnt it ?
05:06.12zetheroohmm
05:06.22zetherooI can't see flite in the repos
05:06.47zetheroowhy is flite not there? I have Maemo Extras enabled
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05:28.38zetherooI downloaded flite.install and executed the file but got this message:
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05:29.02zetherooUnable to download flite. Application Package not found
05:29.15GeneralAntillesIt's not in Diablo Extras.
05:30.24zetheroohmm .. what was the simple command to enter root in the terminal?
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05:32.25GeneralAntilles~root-access
05:32.26infobotsomebody said root-access was http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access
05:33.31zetheroothat link opens a blank page for me
05:34.43johnxin your browser, hit ctrl+shift+r
05:35.41zetheroooh wow
05:35.44zetheroowhat did that do?
05:35.55johnxmagic
05:36.01johnxpretty neat huh?
05:36.06johnxit uhm, refreshed the page :)
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05:36.37johnxstale cache on the proxy
05:36.38zetherooha
05:36.52zetherooI had used the refresh button but that did not work
05:37.08GeneralAntillesThat wiki really needs to be fixed.
05:37.37johnxGeneralAntilles, you mean have them just dump squid's cache or is there something else?
05:37.55GeneralAntillesjohnx, whatever needs to be done to make it load pages consistently needs to be done.
05:38.38zetheroowhat does this mean? user is not in sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
05:38.51GeneralAntillesThe FBI is coming to get you.
05:39.04johnxjust install rootsh and type root
05:39.05zetherooharhar
05:39.18zetherooI just install rootsh
05:39.24zetherooinstalled
05:40.03zetheroonow I am in /home/user/
05:40.55zetheroook .. I did "cd /" and not I am in the root folder
05:41.02zetherooI think
05:41.21zetheroowould this command work in Maemo: sudo apt-get install
05:41.23zetheroo?
05:41.40johnxyou're already root so just do
05:41.44johnxapt-get install package
05:41.49zetheroook
05:43.23zetheroowell I am downloading flite 1.3 and want to compile it on the N810
05:43.30zetheroois this possible?
05:43.40johnxyes, and it's a pain
05:43.52johnxyou won't find someone to walk you through it I think
05:44.37zetheroois it a pain because compiling on MAemo is hard ... or just because of flite itself?
05:44.55johnxthe 1st one. I don't even know if flite is hard to compile
05:45.47zetheroowould you know what tools I need to have installed on Maemo to compile apps with?
05:45.51zetheroolike gcc or soemthing?
05:46.41johnxyes, you need gcc, and a lot of packages with headers from the sdk repository, and if you can't find both on your own you're pretty much doomed before you even get started
05:46.53johnxyou'll also need to boot from sd so you have enough space available
05:46.54zetherooargh
05:48.37johnxI'm really not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to save you some time
05:48.47johnxyou installed flite, correct? and it works in the x-term, right?
05:48.57johnxwhy would a different version work better?
05:49.20GeneralAntillesI would love for somebody to set up a "Compiling on device" wiki page. . . .
05:49.38johnxGeneralAntilles, no. that's a bad idea. that would only encourage people
05:49.41GeneralAntilleszetheroo, I think GNUite had to hack on flite quite a bit to get it to work.
05:49.43GeneralAntilleslol
05:50.01GeneralAntillesjohnx, it's like letting the peasants have access to movable type? ;)
05:50.16zetherooha
05:50.25johnxnope, it's like giving out simple, step-by-step instructions to playing with high voltage
05:50.42zetheroojohnx: I reflashed my N810 to the latest release of PS2008
05:50.55zetherooso I am starting from scratch
05:51.37johnxjust grab the flite that you had before, it's probably not the problem if it works from the command line
05:52.01zetheroowell its not in the repos .. and I forgot how I installed it last time
05:52.37GeneralAntillesjohnx, psh
05:53.20johnxGeneralAntilles, plus, in almost all cases, the people who would benefit from it already know exactly what to do
05:53.46GeneralAntillesjohnx, well, I would like to try, but haven't yet managed to get entirely from point A to point B.
05:54.06johnxgetting from point A to point B is a test
05:54.09johnx:D
05:54.15GeneralAntilles:rolleyes:
05:54.35zetherooGeneralAntilles: are you a Maemo developer?
05:54.40GeneralAntilleszetheroo, no.
05:54.47johnxanyways, if it's that hard then I'm probably not the one to write the sdk in the first place. I cheat at "compiling on the device"
05:54.47GeneralAntillesI've never compiled anything for Maemo ever.
05:55.02johnxs/sdk/howto/
05:55.06GeneralAntillesPartly because the SDK doesn't support my platform.
05:55.26zetherooso where would one go to talk to people who make the distro and its repos etc?
05:55.34GeneralAntillesjohnx, I stumbled on getting GTK to play nice.
05:56.27johnxzetheroo, some Nokia office building in Finland
05:56.41zetheroogreat
05:56.42johnxGeneralAntilles, and the answer is "it might not work at all, it was never designed for this purpose"
05:56.50zetherooI thought I would find them on forums or chat..
05:56.52johnxreally, sometimes there are nokia people here
05:57.05johnxbut they mostly are busy working on software for us
05:57.12johnxcouple marketing guys on the forums from time to time
05:57.24zetherooGeneralAntilles: flite is in an older repo right?
05:57.32johnxbut really, what is the question. I'll try and give you an honest answer at least
05:58.07zetheroomy question?
05:58.32johnxhmm? you're looking for nokia people. I assumed you had a question for them?
05:58.56zetherooI want flite to be in the latest repos
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05:59.11zetherooand I would very much like flite to work with mapper
05:59.17zetheroo:)
05:59.35johnxnot a Nokia thing :)
05:59.55zetheroook .. so who's thing is it?
06:00.09johnxindividuals like you and me
06:00.27zetherooindeed?
06:00.32johnxtruly
06:00.37zetheroowell we don't have power over the repos do we?
06:00.43GeneralAntillesWell, *individual* mostly.
06:00.48zetherooha
06:01.00GeneralAntillesGNUite hasn't submitted flite to Diablo Extras because he lost the source package, apparently.
06:01.22zetheroowhat do I place in mapper to get it to see my internal GPS again?
06:01.38zetherooGeneralAntilles: no way .... :-/
06:01.41johnxselect bluetooth and type nothing
06:02.20zetheroook
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06:03.28zetheroobut shouldn't flite still function with mapper even if flite is installed from another repo? ... or does that stuff it up?
06:03.54johnxit should work fine
06:04.04johnxother people were using it as recently as june 2008
06:04.15zetheroodo you knwo any of them?
06:04.21johnxhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10960&page=2
06:04.23zetherooI need to find someone who got it working
06:11.58zetherooGeneralAntilles: which repo would flite be in?
06:12.34GeneralAntilleshttp://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/f/flite/
06:13.43zetherooI should be able to just install this file "as is" right?
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06:15.31zetheroook it installed perfectly
06:16.18RST38hmoo, all
06:17.47l7hmm, has anyone else had success with this method of SD booting? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639
06:17.55l7penguinbait's deb seems buggy
06:19.17l7" I ran into a case where my boot menu stopped booting to the SD and it would have been nice to have been able to recover my settings intact after a reflash/reclone."
06:21.21RST38h7997! Ho ho ho ho
06:21.22GeneralAntillesl7, just use the wiki page?
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06:22.00l7GeneralAntilles: actually it worked now :)
06:22.22l7it's weird that i had to install once, get a fail message, reboot and try to update the install
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06:22.49l7i guess i'll give the manual method a try later, but the partitioning webpage is really confusing
06:23.23GeneralAntillesWhat's confusing?
06:23.51l7it would be great if there was a good usage example there
06:24.03GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card
06:24.07GeneralAntillesThe first code block?
06:24.09l7"Note: on the N800 and N810 the filesystem mounted under /media/mmc1 is the external media card and the internal card is mounted under /media/mmc2. The device that is mounted under /media/mmc1 is /dev/mmcblk1 and not mmcblk0 that is mounted under /media/mmc2. If you plan to format the external media card replace mmcblk0p with mmcblk1p."
06:24.10GeneralAntillessfdisk sucks, I know.
06:24.15l7this block rather makes my head spin
06:25.05l7a usage example like "this is what you do with a 2GB or 4GB card" would clarify things i think
06:25.07GeneralAntillesReload
06:26.26l7what changed?
06:26.38GeneralAntilles* The external card is mmcblk1
06:26.39GeneralAntilles* The internal card is mmcblk0
06:26.57l7yeah that does help
06:27.41GeneralAntillesI wish somebody would put together a wizard to do all this for people. . . .
06:27.48l7what is the optimal size for the swap and system partitions btw?
06:28.51GeneralAntillesI wouldn't bother with a swap partition, personally.
06:29.00GeneralAntillesI'm not sure why penguinbait insists on it.
06:29.10l7hrm
06:29.26GeneralAntillesI usually do the second partition as a 1-3GB system partition as EXT3
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06:29.31l7how about the small FAT partition as partition 1?
06:29.37GeneralAntillesand the first partition as the rest of the card as FAT
06:29.48GeneralAntillesAt least 130MB is good.
06:30.01l7what is the FAT partition for?
06:30.07GeneralAntillesSwap
06:30.12l7oh
06:30.13GeneralAntillesand storage
06:30.36GeneralAntillesI find it more convenient to just keep my storage on FAT
06:30.39johnximages needing about 13GB of swap
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06:30.54GeneralAntillesEasy to get to when need to put the card in other machines
06:31.00l7yeah, a seperate swap partition seems strange if you can just use the storage partition
06:31.22johnxtechnically a swap partition is marginally faster or something
06:31.40GeneralAntillesI wonder if I could talk somebody into putting together a wizard if I did some mockups.
06:32.13RST38hno. :)
06:32.36l7i'm not sure you really need a wizard if the steps are clearly defined
06:32.54GeneralAntillesSome people immediately freeze up when they encounter a console.
06:33.28RST38hThat is when you euthanize them.
06:33.33GeneralAntillesThere really isn't much advantage to the console method, either, other than the simple fact that nobody has coded a GUI yet.
06:34.01l7i would have found a list of commands in with clear example usage fine to deal with
06:35.51GeneralAntillesl7, feel free to improve it when you figure it out. ;)
06:36.07l7yeah, maybe later
06:36.15l7i'll play around with penguinbait's example for a bit
06:36.28GeneralAntillesThose debs are pure evil
06:36.49l7why? no source?
06:37.08GeneralAntillesNah, setting things like that up with .deb postinsts is just nasty business.
06:37.21johnxcoffee++
06:37.45GeneralAntillesl7, it's all bundled into a single .deb
06:37.57GeneralAntillesSo, say, if you lose your bootmenu, you're kinda screwed for reinstalling it.
06:39.22l7hrm
06:39.35GeneralAntillesThe way it really _should_ be done, is with a .deb that installs the bootmenu along with a control panel to set it up
06:39.48GeneralAntillesa partitioning application, and a wizard.
06:40.13l7so should the partitioning be done from a the bootmenu?
06:40.23l7s/a the/the/
06:40.32GeneralAntillesNah, there should be a partitioning application
06:44.00l7an interactive shell script wouldn't be a bad solution
06:44.21l7unless the even that will scare away people
06:47.31l7penguinbait messed around with the startup script to make the tablet say how Linus pronounces Linux
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07:08.23RST38hGeneral: In ~15 years, I have never seen a partitioning application that a non-geek can use
07:08.36GeneralAntillesRST38h, have you tried Apple's?
07:08.48RST38hNo, I stay away from Apple
07:08.51GeneralAntillesIt's pretty low-impact
07:09.10GeneralAntilleshttp://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/17/0,1425,sz=1&i=172906,00.jpg
07:09.25GeneralAntillesStuff like BootCamp is handled by a wizard.
07:09.34l7the gnome partitioner isn't bad
07:09.35RST38hGeneral: Looks similar to WinNT's
07:09.56GeneralAntillesActually, I think a couple of tickboxes/a short questionnaire would be a good way to do it.
07:10.07RST38hGeneral: Never gets used by end users because it has got so many weirdly labeled controls
07:10.13GeneralAntillesSo it looks at the size of the card, and the user answers a few things about what they're planning to use it for.
07:15.05johnxthe problem is that the concepts at work in partitioning aren't that easily conveyed
07:15.08BugBlueapple's partioner is scary for 'users'
07:15.14BugBlueI tried it by putting a user in front of it
07:15.33BugBlueshe ended up with an installed but unuseable system
07:15.37johnxactually ubuntu installer's partitioner is a lot more usable than apples (I've used both extensively)
07:15.52GeneralAntillesI like the idea of a questionnaire
07:16.04GeneralAntilles"Will you be using this card with Windows or Mac OS X?"
07:16.26GeneralAntilles"How many operating systems do you want to install on this card?"
07:17.07GeneralAntillesThen run down exactly what it all means at the end.
07:17.42RST38hGeneral: Questionnaire idea breaks once you want the user to tell what partition sizes he wants
07:18.00GeneralAntillesYou don't
07:18.03RST38hAlthough if you are really eager, you can create a special UI for that
07:18.06GeneralAntillesYou decide for him based on the answers.
07:18.16GeneralAntillesIf they want to manually configure it, offer a manual mode.
07:18.20johnxI kinda like this approach :)
07:18.31RST38hCan't - this isn't a question that can be decided from a questionnaire
07:18.44johnxwhy not?
07:18.47GeneralAntillesIt can't arrive at results that are perfect for every case
07:18.54GeneralAntillesbut you can hit most of the curve pretty well.
07:19.16johnxif the user doesn't even know how much space they need, then you decide for them and they're never the wiser
07:19.23GeneralAntillesPeople using Windows or OS X aren't going to want a giant ext* partition
07:20.02GeneralAntillesSo you allocate 1GB or 25% (whichever's larger) to the OS and leave the rest as FAT.
07:20.32RST38hGeneral: The remaining 5-15% will scream mad though
07:20.45GeneralAntillesThen they can use manual mode.
07:20.46johnxwho cares about them? make them use the manual method
07:21.04RST38hjohnx: The problem is, they will scream mad once they hit a problem with that predecided allocation
07:21.10GeneralAntillesYou're doing pretty good if you're covering about 90% of all cases.
07:21.26johnxthe point is that 50%+ of people are confused and scared now, so 10-15% mad is fair game
07:21.39zetheroowell ... reflashed my N810 and reinstalled flite and mapper ... but its still not working... :( sigh
07:21.43johnxinclude in big red text "If you want to manually choose sizes this is not for you"
07:22.15GeneralAntilles"If you would prefer to set up your partitions manually, click here."
07:23.51zetheroomaybe the version of mapper I am using is not compatible with flite?
07:24.45Hirvinen11111111111111111111111111
07:24.58GeneralAntilles222222222222222222222
07:25.01johnxyou seem to have a stuck key
07:25.06johnxguess it's contagious
07:25.45zetheroo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:25.48zetherooits spreading
07:26.44zetheroohow can I get in touch with the person who maintains flite?
07:26.56GeneralAntillesIt's GNUite
07:27.06GeneralAntillesHis email should be available from the maemo-mapper Garage page.
07:27.25zetheroook cool
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07:30.00zetherooI am here
07:30.02zetheroohttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper/
07:30.10zetheroois that where his info should be?
07:30.19GeneralAntillesYeah
07:31.18zetheroothere is a whole list of developers ...
07:31.34GeneralAntillesJohn Costigan
07:31.46zetherooah ... the Admin
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07:38.05zetheroook ... well I have written to dear John ... this should be interesting ...
07:38.06zetheroo:)
07:44.07johnxpoor canola guys :/ it sounds like they've had a really rough time of it
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07:44.27timeless?
07:45.06johnxseems like they switched teams on their way to beta10, ended up firing that team, bringing back the old guys, and having to toss the work on beta10
07:45.22johnxhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242479&postcount=8
07:46.45GeneralAntillesOuch
07:46.52GeneralAntillesThat doesn't sound fun at all.
07:47.02johnxnot really, no
07:47.26johnxI really look forward to seeing it open sourced. I really hope people surprise them and actually contribute patches, etc
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07:47.51GeneralAntillesand, sadly, I think the pessimism about the likelihood of community devs jump in once the source is out there is justified.
07:48.00qwerty12+1
07:48.07johnxsighs
07:48.09GeneralAntillesmay make that an issue to push.
07:48.19johnxgets back to his own projects
07:48.45GeneralAntillesqwerty12, it's Python learnin' time for you, buddy. :P
07:49.19johnxahaha, maybe I'll smack rm_you around and get him working on it
07:49.29johnxhe really does like watching video on his tablet I know
07:49.35GeneralAntilleshigh-fives johnx.
07:49.39GeneralAntillesSounds like a plan! :D
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07:53.18qwerty12_~strangle ndiswrapper until it chokes and dies
07:53.18infobotACTION strangles ndiswrapper until it chokes and dies with a keyboard cord.
07:53.40johnxclassy
07:53.53johnxbut yes, that's why none of us uses it
07:54.15qwerty12_is a cheap bastard, I have no choice ;p
07:54.17qwerty12_*:P
07:54.30johnx<- used to be
07:54.51johnxenough fighting with crappy reverse engineered drivers and windows emulation cured that
07:55.25johnxalmost drove me to a Mac in the process, until I realized if I just spent a little bit more time researching, finding linux compatible hardware really isn't that hard
07:55.43qwerty12It doesn't help that I'm using a ndiswrapper module compiled for 2.6.27 on a 2.6.24 kernel :/
07:56.12qwerty12johnx, At the time, Linux compatibility wasn't an issue for me as I was using windows only then :/
07:56.27johnxand next time you'll know better :)
07:56.40qwerty12GeneralAntilles, I can't bring myself to learn any language :P
07:56.42qwerty12:P
07:56.55johnxwelcome to learning the hard way
07:56.59GeneralAntillesIt's just a matter of applying the correct incentive. *eg*
07:57.35qwerty12johnx, my computer knows too when I'm always doing a REISUB :P
07:57.39qwerty12heh :p
07:59.00GeneralAntillesqwerty12, where are those services descriptions.
07:59.03GeneralAntillesTick tock. . . . :P
07:59.11johnxI just use s u b
07:59.56qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Well, as I was typing, all my keyboard output was getting sent to /dev/null and I realised it too late...
08:00.01qwerty12^was
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08:12.39Meiz_n810is there a cx3110x-umac-module .deb for deblet somewhere?
08:13.00johnxhttp://trac.tspre.org/deblet/pool/main/c/cx3110x-module/
08:13.09johnxthe umac.ko can come from your OS2008 install
08:16.07Meiz_n810ok
08:16.08Meiz_n810thanks
08:16.41johnxsure :)
08:20.32Meiz_n810apt wants umac deb... cannot install tablet-wireless
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08:20.46johnxah, I just unpacked the deb and copied stuff around
08:21.15Meiz_n810deblet-installer builds it on tablet?
08:21.29Meiz_n810(the umac-module)
08:21.50johnxit might, I honestly don't know :)
08:22.02johnxprobably
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08:31.02vincenzo88Hello all !
08:31.19johnxhi
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09:06.33JaffaMorning, all
09:07.10johnxmorning Jaffa :D
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09:08.39X-FadeMorning.
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09:40.30johnxwell ha!
09:40.57johnxinfobot, lart sapwood and hildon-input-method for being a pain
09:40.57infobotexecutes killall -KILL sapwood and hildon-input-method for being a pain
09:41.09johnxhow very appropriate
09:41.12johnx~botsnack
09:41.12infobotthanks, johnx
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09:49.07johnxok, so my current assumption is that the current trunk versions of hildon-input-method, sapwood and gtk+ don't play all that well together
09:54.24Stskeepsmorning johnx
09:55.00johnxmornin' Stskeeps
09:55.12Stskeepsjohnx: http://jaiku.com/channel/merbuilder , http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/
09:55.19johnxI've got hildon-input-method working as long as you don't need to see the characters or the buttons
09:56.58Stskeepshehe
09:57.18johnxwow...that kind of seems like an abuse of jaiku, but I can follow it with rss which is awesome
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09:59.04Stskeepsthe app that runs it can be used with multiple build boxes too, if they can be sshed to
10:00.09Stskeepsand i'll make the log urls and such be on http
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10:02.22Stskeepsjohnx: seems like a sane way? control in #merbuilder, status reports on the presence
10:02.32Stskeepsit determines access based on nickname
10:02.48johnxcertainly an interesting way
10:03.30johnxyeah, seems sane, and definitely appropriately experimental
10:03.55Stskeepsand commands are in form of <regexp for archs> <bzr branch>
10:04.11Stskeepsso you can do jaunty* or hasty* etc
10:04.15hahlobitStskeeps: i got W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt mount -t proc proc /proc
10:04.43Stskeepsin what, sorry?
10:05.41hahlobitwhen run command
10:05.45hahlobitdebootstrap --verbose --arch armel jaunty /opt http://ports.ubuntu.com/
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10:06.48Stskeepsdoes /opt exist and have a ext3 filesystem mounted on it?
10:06.54hahlobityes
10:07.30hahlobitor /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /opt type ext2 (rw)
10:07.44hahlobitbut i did mkfs.ext3
10:08.47hahlobitis it cause wrong fs?
10:08.48Stskeepshahlobit: i'm not entirely sure, try probe Meiz_n810, he did jaunty on the tablets
10:09.01hahlobitok
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10:11.13Stskeepsjohnx: and http://trac.tspre.org/mer/ as well
10:11.17Stskeeps(been busy..)
10:11.30johnxwow!
10:11.38johnxdid you build straight from hardy to jaunty?
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10:12.10Stskeepswell i havent actually started a full blown compile yet
10:12.18Stskeepsas i'm looking for the appropiate cflags
10:12.37Stskeepsi don't assume mojo/jaunty's set them to target armv5 / armv5-vfp / armv6-vfp on thier own
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10:13.04johnxit's set inside their version of gcc IIRC
10:13.13johnxas in, the optimizations flags are the defaults
10:15.20Stskeepsso when i compile in a mojo armv6-vfp it makes it compile for armv6-vfp?
10:15.53johnxI think that's what they were saying
10:15.56johnxlet me find the page
10:16.03Stskeepsk
10:16.39Stskeepsbut anyway, when we give the builder a branch it will compile for all 4 arm bases, and for i386 as well
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10:19.58Stskeepswhich means we can at any point build images for these archs
10:22.52Stskeepsand if we say, start focusing on jaunty instead of mojo, this is possible too
10:23.12Stskeepsor if someone wants to build an image for an armv5, they can too :P
10:23.19johnxwoo :)
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10:28.05Stskeepswants to see maemo on his old via laptop ;)
10:28.11johnxubuntu's wiki on their arm port is interesting reading :)
10:28.12Stskeepsor on the touchscreen at work
10:28.39johnxmmm...makes me want to find money for one of those old crusoe based mini-notebooks
10:29.42johnxit looks like there's a way to set default CFLAGS / LDFLAGS globally for builds
10:30.16johnxhttp://209.85.175.132/search?q=cache:KM0rKpLrIEEJ:www.handhelds.org/hypermail/mojo/current/0085.html+mojo+ubuntu+gcc+optimizations+default&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a
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10:32.29Stskeepsyeah, armv5el: ++#define SUBTARGET_CPU_DEFAULT TARGET_CPU_arm10tdmi
10:34.58Stskeepsalright then
10:35.02Stskeepsno need for pretty cflags
10:35.10Stskeepslet's hope ubuntu arm does similar :P
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10:38.11Meiz_n810why so many different dists in trac.tspre.org/mer?
10:39.54johnxStskeeps, looks like they're doing things differently :(
10:40.01johnxhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/MobileAndEmbedded/ARM-EL-port
10:40.09johnxthey seem to be setting CFLAGS / LDFLAGS globally?
10:40.11StskeepsMeiz_n810: covering our bases
10:40.19Meiz_n810ok
10:40.31Stskeepsjohnx: i have come to realize the only way to get authorative info is to ask in #ubuntu-arm
10:41.18johnxwhat network is that? freenode or ...?
10:41.46Stskeepsyeah
10:42.24johnxheh...we're developing a #maemo delegation in that channel :)
10:43.43Stskeepsmy biggest point against the ubuntu arm thing wasn't something nokia directly knew of or participate in, is that the place isn't swarming with nokia people :P
10:43.50Stskeepsbeagle has quite a bit of them
10:45.59GeneralAntillesThanks, Stskeeps. :P
10:46.03hahlobitStskeeps: you don't like nokia people?
10:46.13GeneralAntillesNobody likes Nokia people
10:46.17GeneralAntillesThey're like lepers.
10:46.32Stskeepshahlobit: no no, i didn't say that
10:46.38hahlobithehe
10:46.38GeneralAntillesHa
10:46.56GeneralAntillesor cockroaches.
10:47.14GeneralAntilleslcuk, http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/20/asus-eee-top-launched-loved-by-children-and-product-waifs/
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10:47.19GeneralAntilles(love the title)
10:47.43johnxengadget is exactly the right amount of snarky 90% of the time
10:47.59GeneralAntillesHehe
10:48.02GeneralAntillesThey really know their trade.
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10:50.16hahlobitsecond try with debootstrap seems to go better
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11:14.13lcukGeneralAntilles, :) told you
11:14.34lcukwants a sugar daddy to buy him one :$
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11:17.51JaffaCould be nice with Ubuntu Netbook edition for the kiddies
11:18.00JaffaNice replacement for Alex's old ThinkPad at some point
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11:23.10Stskeepswonders how speedy maemo is on a 2ghz
11:23.10Stskeeps:P
11:25.19johnxdoesn't even want to think about why this works:
11:27.19lcuki just want to push a sketch down from the big screen onto my tablet to take away with me
11:27.24johnxhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/gqview-keyboard.png
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11:28.39lcukStskeeps, did you see the forum comment about audio in the graffiti - i wanted wind noises, someone said book page flipping sounds
11:28.39johnx+1 for book flipping :)
11:28.54inz+1 for silence
11:28.55lcukyeah, sounds quite nice actually, dunno how well it would work, i just wanted a nice bit of ambient
11:29.08lcuklol inz, ill make sure volume is set to max for you
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11:29.30johnx~kill h-i-m
11:29.30infobotACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-proton gun at h-i-m
11:30.02inzlcuk, don't bother, not really using it anyway
11:31.00GeneralAntillesThe problem with sounds is that the variety usually sucks
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11:38.36sampohow can i encode my icon to base64 with uuencode ?
11:38.45sampolets say if i have icon.png
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11:41.27Jaffasampo: if you browse the mud-builder svn, lib/MUD/Build.pm does it based on arbitrarily provided icons for the package.
11:42.39RST38hsampo: uuencode -m
11:42.46GeneralAntilleshttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/lib/MUD/Build.pm?revision=241&root=mud-builder&view=markup
11:43.18JaffaGeneralAntilles: ta
11:48.23GeneralAntillesX-Fade, do you know about the errors after commenting?
11:50.55X-FadeNo, but I will check it out.
11:51.21johnxalright, so h-i-m crashes when you press return or backspace but other than that basic text entry is possible
11:51.26GeneralAntillesX-Fade, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/comment-error.jpg
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11:52.04X-FadeAh, well I can fix that easily.
11:52.30sampohow about those few '=' marks at the end of encoded output, should i include those if i paste that output to XB-Maemo-Icon-26 field on debian/control file?
11:53.04X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Should be better now.
11:53.09GeneralAntillesThanks
11:53.24X-Fadeshoots PEAR.
11:54.44johnxso, mer-people (mer-men and mer-maids?) what's the next thing to get packaged as part of the proof of concept?
11:55.05Jaffasampo: yes, include the ==: they're padding to make it valid Base64
11:55.11GeneralAntillesThe rest of the Hildon stuff?
11:55.59sampook thanx :)
11:56.00johnxGeneralAntilles, well yes, that is the eventual goal. I was looking more for a single package that interests people, or pulls in a lot of interesting deps, or is shiny
11:56.16GeneralAntillesI Am Free is shiny. :P
11:57.21johnxWhat is your personal favorite, all-open-source, can't-live-without app?
11:57.52GeneralAntillesDid Stskeeps already do FBReader?
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12:01.28RST38hjohnx: /usr/bin/kill ?
12:01.57johnx|zaurusRST38h: there's a hildonized kill?
12:02.11RST38hsure there is, part of the CPU Load
12:02.35johnx|zaurusaaah, well the cpu-load applet might be interesting
12:06.56GeneralAntillesWait, um, x11vnc update?
12:07.13GeneralAntillesAh, right, tz uploaded it.
12:07.32johnxGeneralAntilles, let me check if fbreader is there. I remember him working on it but he might have run into problems
12:07.39sampowhere should this XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: info show when i install an updated package?
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12:10.40sampoin my opinion someone should add screenshots to this page http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_packaging_features_you-re_missing_out_on/XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: to get better understanding what kind of changes are to be made
12:10.57GeneralAntillessampo, it works the same as the Description: field.
12:11.06X-Fadesampo: Pester GeneralAntilles ;)
12:11.39GeneralAntillessampo, I was considering it, but gave up when Canola and Carman didn't have a perfect little contrast to illustrate the pretty names. . . .
12:12.40GeneralAntillesActually, I think I can get that screenshot now.
12:12.46GeneralAntillessampo, I'll look at it later today.
12:13.10GeneralAntillesX-Fade, do I know how to add images?
12:13.58X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Do you have an image icon in the editor?
12:15.05GeneralAntillesUmm
12:15.06GeneralAntillesNo?
12:15.56GeneralAntillesGotta go get groceries
12:15.59GeneralAntilleswill be back later.
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12:17.06RST38h{
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12:17.16aquatixflood!
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12:17.25johnxrun for the hills!
12:17.26RST38h}
12:17.28RST38hOh holy shit
12:17.30RST38his sorry, really sorry
12:17.37aquatixslaps RST38h
12:17.49RST38hshaves his head in shame
12:18.00aquatixooh, shiny ;)
12:18.20johnxjust glad I'm not the only one who does that :)
12:18.33aquatixirssi asks whether you really want to paste such a text
12:18.36aquatixjohnx: ghehe
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12:18.56aquatixRST38h: nah, it's ok, shit happens :)
12:19.03sampohmm but i cant see that field anywhere, let say if i have version 1.0 installed and i install over version 1.1 ... i cant see update changelog anywhere... where is it supposed to show? in what dialog... i hope you get those screenshots :)
12:19.58aquatixbehind the Details button in the appmanager?
12:20.30hahlobitStskeeps: got deblet-installer related error  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/deblet.png', which is also in package deblet-installer
12:20.55sampoaquatix: there is only 3 tabs, Summary, Description and Uninstalling
12:21.05Stskeepshahlobit: trying to install Easy Debian?
12:21.10sampobut i gotta go now... lets sort it out later:)
12:21.12sampobye ->
12:21.19Stskeepsif so, complain to qole :P
12:21.57hahlobitStskeeps: yes
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12:22.20hahlobiteasy-deb-chroot
12:22.35mib_nnm79fhey
12:23.01mib_nnm79fdoes anyone know how i can install packages to mmc2? because i ran out of space in a week like that
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12:24.23johnxyou can boot from sd if you want
12:24.37guysoft4222jonx, is that a good idea?
12:24.48johnxif you have no space: yes
12:25.54guysoft4222jonx, do you do that?
12:26.07johnxno, I have plenty of space left
12:27.09guysoft4222johnx, you do well with 256MB for the complete system?
12:27.21johnxyes
12:27.23hahlobiti do boot sdcard
12:27.25johnxI have about 50MB free
12:29.11guysoft4222hahlobit, and how do you install the maemo system on the sd card?
12:30.48johnx~boot-from-sd
12:30.49infobotit has been said that boot-from-sd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
12:35.30hahlobitguysoft4222: yes copy or clone i should say
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12:42.49guysoft4222hahlobit, is there a manual for this?
12:47.29hahlobitguysoft4222: follow that http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
12:48.37guysoft4222thanks :-)
12:48.52guysoft4222btw - is unitonfs a good idea?: http://www.hczim.de/software/mmc-unionfs.html
12:49.44johnxguysoft422, no
12:51.32guysoft4222johnx thanks :-)
12:51.46guysoft4222one more question - how can i get java installed on the microb browser?
12:52.31RST38hyou can't
12:52.37RST38hah, he couldn't
12:53.22johnxjava probably crashed his browser :)
12:54.38RST38hMention of Java crashed his computer =)
12:55.13johnxhis computer: "oh god! not more java programs! *dies*"
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12:55.24RST38hlooks into the window: there is b&w snowstorm raging
12:55.36lcukmost sensible reason is he clicked his own link in mibbit ;)
12:55.47RST38hjohnx: Eats last memory and swap file, then dies
12:55.48guysoft4222got disconnected
12:56.00RST38hguysoft: Returning to your question, you cannot.
12:56.26Stskeeps"Authors of code accepted in a software component are entitled to get copyright assignment when the solution provided conforms a creative work."
12:56.29Stskeepshuh? :P
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12:56.52guysoft4222lcuk, i don't rmember i did.. but i guess so. thats why i need java, the network is protected here with a stupid system that needs java\
12:57.39guysoft4222RWT38h, how come? isn't there a way to get it to work? its open source after all..
12:57.41lcuksensible network engineers dont want haxx0r kiddies mucking about in worktime :P
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12:57.57johnxguysoft422, yes, it is open source. so get working on it :)
12:58.42hahlobitjohnx: you aren't java fun?
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12:59.12lcukStskeeps, copyright assignment is one thing, but just wait until i patent a "method of encoding textual data insidea numeric binary representation"
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12:59.54johnxI don't particularly dislike it. I even wrote a game in it once, but I'm not going to spend my time making it work on maemo
13:00.56lcukjohnx, you can drive cars, but you are not mr ford
13:01.08GeneralAntillesStskeeps, fixing the contribution guidelines is on the agenda.
13:01.32GeneralAntillessampo, you have to actually be upgrading. :)
13:01.33johnxlcuk, I can drive cars, I can build cars given enough instructions, but I won't fix yours :D
13:01.47RST38hguysoft: It is open source but nobody gives a dman about it
13:02.04RST38hs/dman/damn/
13:02.40GeneralAntillesI will die if I ever have to move to a cold climate.
13:03.44johnxGeneralAntilles, ahaha. you ever get snow in your area?
13:03.52GeneralAntillesFlorida?
13:03.56GeneralAntillesLike, once ever 20 years.
13:04.11RST38hGeneral: heating is cheaper tan refrigeration =)
13:04.17GeneralAntillesThe year I was born, but not any farther south than Jacksonville recently.
13:04.28RST38hThey get hurricanes instead ;)
13:04.29GeneralAntillesRST38h, our powergrid can't handle freezing temperatures.
13:04.48GeneralAntillesThere were blackouts and brownouts over half the state when it snowed.
13:05.00RST38hGeneral: it can't handle boiling temperatures too, judging from what happens every summer in MD
13:05.13GeneralAntillesI'm not talking about MD
13:05.23GeneralAntillesWe don't have any issues with power over the summers in Florida.
13:05.29johnxhas no central heat, and *does* get snow
13:05.42RaytrayGeneralAntilles, Go visit Count in Alaska. :P
13:05.45RST38hSo what actually happens in FL? Is it just ice on the wiring? Or too many heaters?
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13:05.53derfjohnx: Yay Japan.
13:06.09GeneralAntillesIcing screwing up the infrastructure
13:06.26GeneralAntillesYou should see how long it takes for them to get things going after a hurricane.
13:06.39johnxyeah, apparently my aircon will blow hot air, but it's 3m up the wall, making it a ceiling heater
13:06.40derf"Go sit under the kotatsu, you pansy."
13:06.41RST38hjohnx: Lemme guess...Aluminium window frames? With holes? And a huge hole under the front door? =)
13:06.45GeneralAntillesHell, wimpy little tropical storms have been known to take the power out in some areas for weeks.
13:07.04RST38hGeneral: Icing only appears when it is not cold ENOUGH ;)
13:07.10X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Can you see if you now have that image icon?
13:07.17johnxRST38h, hah...yeah, not really loving my mail slot right now, or the fan in the bathroom connected right to the outdoors
13:07.31RST38hAt -20oC all the water ioccurs in nice powdery state
13:08.33johnxderf, I don't have a kotatsu. I'll break out the portable space heater in a bit though
13:08.36johnxmaybe tonight even
13:08.42GeneralAntillesX-Fade, where should I be looking? I don't see it in the midgard floating bar and I don't see it on the page.
13:09.01X-FadeGeneralAntilles: In the wysiwyg editor..
13:09.17RST38hjohnx: Somebody living in Japan reported how they tried to close off all the holes once
13:09.28GeneralAntillesX-Fade, I don't know if I have one of those.
13:09.31johnxRST38h, and suffocated on their own BO?
13:09.34GeneralAntillesI've got one that seems to insist on HTML
13:09.39X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Edit article?
13:09.40RST38hjohnx: the one under the door, the window frames, the mail slots
13:09.43GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/community/council/edit/5852749cb4dd11dd8c204922509a3a523a52/
13:09.53RST38hjohnx: Close. The walls started getting wet.
13:09.58johnxahaha
13:10.17GeneralAntillesFinally, an sv_SE translation
13:10.23GeneralAntillesNow just no_NO and pt_PT
13:10.25guysoft4222johnx, oh well, i guess we would have to wait.. i have no time for that now :-S
13:10.42johnxwell if you don't have time, who will have time?
13:11.06RST38hLaid off SUN employees maybe? =)
13:11.26RST38hBTW, with DOW <8000 we are gonna have lots of those now
13:11.49johnxwell looks like apple and linux will be the last real commercially supported unices :)
13:12.19RST38hWell, I don't think Solaris is that close to the grave yet
13:13.43johnxsomehow I don't see a huge comeback in its future
13:13.58Stskeepszfs is lovely
13:14.15guysoft4222johnx, someone that does not need java to access the VPN in the university, because the already have a degree i guess..
13:15.09johnxok, then just keep waiting
13:15.25Jaffa~/last jaffa
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13:22.02RST38hguysoft: What does Java have to do with VPN?
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13:33.37guysoft4222seems to be having a problem
13:33.55GeneralAntillesWoo, 1,500
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13:57.17JaffaGeneralAntilles: your karma's gone wild.
13:57.47Jaffa(but not reached 1500 yet)
13:58.18X-FadeJaffa: He really is a Karma wh*** lately ;)
13:59.40GeneralAntillesJaffa, I blame it on things I contribute intensely to suddenly being counted. :P
13:59.54GeneralAntillesThough the master plan called for at least a 1:1 ratio of Thanks! to karma points originally. ;)
14:00.08Jaffa:)
14:00.44X-FadeI actually reflects your contributions quite well now.
14:00.51X-Fade*think
14:00.56X-Fade*it
14:01.07X-FadeMental package loss, sorry ;)
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14:01.40GeneralAntillesCreepy.
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14:33.27Stskeepsstarts up the builder and hears it roar.
14:33.54johnxcompiles roxterm to go with his working h-i-m
14:34.09Stskeepsit works now?
14:34.42johnxwell, it crashes when I hit backspace or return
14:34.45johnxno idea why
14:35.04Stskeepsheh
14:35.24johnxno idea what fixed it either except that I recompiled with some debugging printfs, it worked, took them out, recompiled and it still works
14:35.47Stskeepshttp://trac.tspre.org:8000/jaunty-i386_1227191591.14.log
14:36.09Stskeepsgah
14:36.14Stskeepswtf is wrong with this connection
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14:36.23Stskeepseither that or trac.tspre.org is fucked
14:36.50Stskeepseverything peers so
14:38.26johnxhmm? what's wrong?
14:38.37GeneralAntillestakes some screenshots.
14:38.57Stskeepsjohnx: usb0 connection very unstable on beagleboard or something
14:39.17johnxah, sad
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14:40.18Stskeepsor my NAT setup
14:40.20Stskeepsnot entirely sure
14:40.29Stskeepsponders a bridge instead
14:40.42johnxno! don't jump
14:40.46GeneralAntillesWhat kernel are you using?
14:41.03Stskeeps2.6.26-omap1-oer62
14:41.05GeneralAntilles(less because I have anything useful to contribute than because I'm interested. :P)
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14:45.22GeneralAntillesCan anybody think of a package using upgrade descriptions? . . .
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14:47.41GeneralAntilleslardman, delivery error again. . . .
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14:57.45GAN800Modest's wandering divider bar has to be the greatest thing ever.
14:58.05GAN800I'm quite certain it's sentient.
14:58.07Stskeepsjohnx: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/presence/49340299 :)
14:58.20X-FadeGAN800: I have actually been thinking that it saves the position mirrored.
14:58.39johnxStskeeps, ah, more fun with circular deps?
14:58.45X-FadeSo when it is at 40%|60% it restores as 60%|40%.
14:59.02Stskeepsjohnx: more like i dont think maemo glib is supposed to be built on i386
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14:59.13Stskeepsbut i'll see what jaunty says
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14:59.30X-FadeStskeeps: SDK?
14:59.38X-FadeStskeeps: Surely that is i386..
14:59.49Stskeepswell, ok, libtool 2.* it seems like
15:00.04Stskeepsas it fails on armel too
15:00.19GAN800X-Fade 3/97 seems to be remembered properly
15:00.36Stskeepsbbl bus
15:00.42GAN800It's probably trying to fit the folder texy.
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15:07.13mimshitaI'm trying to install the maemo-runtime-sdk for armel the ap-get gave an error and now i'm pretty much stuck, cannot remove the package and reinstall or install over it...
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15:10.33X-Fademimshita: What does it say when you try to remove the package?
15:10.54mimshitaE: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
15:11.28mimshitacouldn't open log `/var/log/dpkg.log': Permission denied
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15:12.10X-Fademimshita: Inside scratchbox?
15:12.20mimshitayes
15:12.35X-Fadetry putting fakeroot in front of it..
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15:13.15mimshitano sorry....i was on another window...i'm an ass...
15:13.26RST38hX-Fade: Attention: mimshita is from .pt domain!
15:13.37RST38hX-Fade: You know what to ask ;)
15:13.41X-FadeRST38h: I already had https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories#Translations handy ;)
15:13.48RST38hhehe
15:14.01mimshitaX-Fade: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory
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15:14.19X-Fademimshita: That last thing doesn't matter.
15:15.36Meizirkkido you know a way to get internet from ubuntubox to n810?
15:15.42mimshitaX-Fade: sorry?
15:15.49Meizirkkii have only cable internet here
15:16.02X-Fademimshita: dpkg-preconfigure
15:16.19disco_stuMeizirkki, ubuntubox is wifi capable?
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15:16.32Meizirkkidisco_stu: yes
15:17.00disco_stuyou can share cable through wifi then
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15:17.24Meizirkkibut i don't know how (using hardy)
15:17.35disco_stui'll show you
15:17.50mimshitaSetting up gconf2 (2.16.0-1osso9) ...
15:17.51mimshitadpkg: error processing gconf2 (--configure):
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15:18.26disco_stuMeizirkki,
15:18.38Meizirkkimimshita: may be corrupted archive, delete it and download agn
15:19.01qwerty12mimshita, is this in scratchbox?
15:19.18mgedminit's definitely a bug in the package
15:19.29mimshitayes in scratchox.. the thing is i can't delete... this is remove result...
15:19.31mgedminyou may need to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst to recover
15:19.54mgedminhmm... remove runs post-inst? well, maybe
15:20.01disco_stuMeizirkki, http://www.fmhq.com.ar/2008/08/compartir-conexion-internet.html
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15:20.42disco_stuthats my blog, it is in spanish but you'll understand i guess
15:20.57qwerty12GeneralAntilles, If you really want an example of an h-a-m update description, I could update subcatstest...
15:21.16mimshitaedit, dunno what ot write...
15:21.38GAN800qwerty12, nah, not important. I can mock it up in 5 minutes.
15:21.41disco_stuMeizirkki, you need only the 5 cli lines
15:22.23disco_stuchange what is in blu to match your set-up
15:26.37mimshitamgedmin: edit... dunno what ot write...
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15:26.47puffandstuffhello
15:27.02aquatixhi puffandstuff
15:27.14Meizirkkidisco_stu: thanks a lot
15:27.37puffandstuffis there any paper describing maemo graphic requirements (gpu, performaces etc ..)
15:28.02mgedminmimshita: pastebin the current one
15:28.59mgedmininsert 'set -x' after the first line, try 'dpkg --configure -a' again
15:28.59mgedminyou'll see which command fails
15:29.04mgedmincould be it's just missing an 'exit 0' at the very end
15:29.32disco_stuMeizirkki, you'll need to set an ip to your tablet manually. within the range you have configured
15:29.48Meizirkkiokay
15:30.23puffandstuffwell wich x extensions the project use (xgl, glx aiglx etc...) sorry if my question looks huge
15:30.35disco_stuif you cant let me know and we can go step by step
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15:34.09mimshitamgedmin: http://pastebin.com/d5a5b8a9e
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15:35.44mgedminmimshita: ok, the error is clear enough
15:36.04mgedminbut could you also paste the source of the postinst script?
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15:37.22mimshitamgedmin: http://pastebin.com/d7c967817
15:38.36mgedminwell, if you add '|| true' at the end of 'chown messagebus:messagebus /var/lib/gconf', dpkg won't abort the installation/deinstallation
15:38.40mgedminbut gconf won't work
15:39.16mgedminbut your scratchbox should have a messagebus user defined in /etc/passwd
15:39.17mgedminmine has
15:39.21mgedminwhich scratchbox is this?
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15:41.09mimshitait uses apophis
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15:42.13mimshitamgedmin: I was searching, it's version 1.0.8
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15:46.41Stskeepsneat sideeffect of survey about porting problems.. nokia people actually stating what has been fixed
15:47.17qwerty12The same shit about it's all been fixed in fremantle, fuck you diablo users makes me yawn though
15:47.38mimshitamgedmin:messagebus is not defined in etc/passwd
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15:49.09Stskeepsyeah, true
15:49.48Rjelaricould some one help me out compiling hildon-desktop-2.0 ?
15:49.56Rjelarii am getting compilation error.
15:50.04Stskeepswhere are you trying to compile it? :P
15:50.37mgedminmimshita: I believe /etc/passwd comes from the rootstrap
15:50.45Rjelariin scratch box?
15:50.45mgedmin4.0 is diablo, right?
15:51.05mgedminI have diablo (the armel version), and my /etc/passwd has messagebus...
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15:51.32johnx4.1 is diablo
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15:51.53mimshitamgedmin:well following what is said in the instalation howto is chinook
15:52.09mgedminah
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15:54.56RjelariStskeeps,  i get the following error
15:54.57Rjelariusr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:347: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89
15:54.57Rjelari/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:356: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89
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15:56.50qwerty12Warning != error
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15:59.33Rjelariqwerty12,  ;).. but the compilation stops  /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:356: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89
15:59.33Rjelarimake[2]: *** [libtasknavigatorpolicy_la-tasknavigator-policy.lo] Error 1
15:59.33Rjelarimake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/rjelari/packages/hildon-desktop-2.0.18/policies'
15:59.33Rjelarimake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
15:59.33Rjelarimake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rjelari/packages/hildon-desktop-2.0.18'
15:59.35Rjelarimake: *** [all] Error 2
16:00.41Rjelarijust trying to compile hildon-desktop in scratch box
16:01.13qwerty12Hrm, you've reminded me anyway, I need to compile hildon-desktop too with Rafi's latest patch
16:01.50X-FadeCan I have a quick poll amongst the developers here what to do about: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/beware-personal_launcher/
16:02.05X-FadeWhat should we do if we detect misbehaving applications?
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16:03.15Rjelariqwerty12,  ;).  but still!.... appreciated if you let me know how to resolve this !
16:04.16t_s_owhile not a dev, i would say one should contact the one working on the app and tell them about the problem...
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16:04.47X-Fadet_s_o: But meanwhile people trash their devices..
16:05.03qwerty12Rjelari, I really don't know :/. I've already compiled it 3 times successfully. What SDK are you using? Scratchbox 1 or 2? How are you starting the compile (configure/make, dpkg-buildpackage)?
16:05.03X-FadeAnd on the other hand we don't want to be hostile..
16:05.51t_s_oi recall using said program for quite a while, but i dont recall it being a issue. still, i have been using it out of extra-devel so long i cant say if its been fixed or not and simply have not made its way to extra proper for some reason
16:06.05mimshitamgedmin: problem seems solved! thanks for the help
16:06.10StskeepsX-Fade: i think "extras" should have a sense of quality, imho
16:06.11mgedminnp
16:06.23mimshita:)
16:06.24StskeepsX-Fade: but definately contact developer
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16:06.41mgedminX-Fade: imho harmful packages ought to be demoted to extras-devel
16:06.43t_s_oX-Fade: meh, tell the person working on it, and them that person can take the needed step to remove it from extras...
16:06.56t_s_othen
16:07.04X-FadeStskeeps: Yes, but as long as we don't use thave QA before promotion we need at least some solution.
16:07.22X-Fadet_s_o: Well, nobody can remove it, but the admins..
16:07.29X-Fadet_s_o: But that is besides the point ;)
16:09.08mgedminalso, the maintainer (or the person who promoted) ought to get an email with the reason for demotion
16:10.44errordeveloperhey ..
16:11.15errordeveloperi still cannot figure out to get the right options to mount the memory card with ext2
16:11.43errordeveloperso that everything written to it appears with uid=29999 in maemo?
16:12.08X-FadeI have sent the author a mail. Let's see what happens.
16:12.17johnxerrordeveloper, you could change your uid
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16:13.17errordeveloperright ..
16:13.30errordeveloperbut i'm not too keen on doing that
16:13.41johnxwell, I can't really think of any other way
16:13.48errordeveloperthen i need to chmod everything on the system
16:14.20errordevelopermay be i should just try with gorup ..
16:14.33errordeveloperbut not sure how you will delete files after
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16:14.56errordeveloperbetter to have some sort of uid masking ..
16:17.50johnxright, I don't think you'll find a way to do that
16:19.39Stskeepsgrr @ modern technology, - when for once i want to order pizza, the payment service is down
16:20.08johnxhuh? they don't have a dude come to your door and collect cash?
16:20.17johnxI though *I* was the one living in the future...
16:21.21Stskeepsthey do, but i try to avoid carrying too much cash
16:21.36Stskeepsprimarily doing electronic payments
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16:23.02Stskeepscurses that peer error
16:23.30johnxcurses sapwood on the pxa270
16:23.45johnxah, I should see if it happens on a versatile pb
16:28.41sp3000wonders why X-Fade changed the quotes around personal launcher in the mail subject
16:28.57sp3000threadbreaker!
16:29.13sp3000(well, for gmaily subject-sniffing threads anyway.)
16:29.14X-Fadesp3000: I just hit reply? :)
16:29.23sp3000your mua is weird :)
16:29.29aquatixX-Fade: what mua do you use?
16:30.06sp3000User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [CVS]
16:30.23sp3000/nick lazyirc
16:31.08sp30008MB/min, srsly?!
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16:31.26X-Fadesp3000: Even http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/beware-personal_launcher/ gets it.
16:31.31X-Fadesp3000: But weird indeed ;)
16:33.18sp3000oops, I suck at reply-all in gmail
16:33.32sp3000wondered where the heck the list lost his msg
16:33.34sp3000sigh
16:33.40X-FadeI do that too, all the time ;)
16:34.02sp3000hey, it's google, it's supposed to DTRT automatically, or at least suggest it, right?
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16:44.56X-FadeHmm 8MB/min leak.. That is a lot.
16:45.15X-FadeI'll go and have dinner first. Bbl ;)
16:47.23l7anyone know if battery life is shorter when booted from SD?
16:47.59Stskeepsways to make yourself more productive: shut yourself out of the server at your office when trying to make a bridge from eth0 to usb0.
16:48.35Stskeepsthat pizza come soon or i'm going to end up sitting in a fetal position and smoking cigarettes, that is how bad this day is :P
16:48.53qwerty12Stskeeps, When are you going to release the book? :p
16:49.33Stskeepsheh :P
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16:52.37johnxalmost at the end of the week
16:52.39johnxjust hang in there
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17:25.39rm_youjohnx: did you ping me?
17:26.16johnxjust said I'd coerce you into coding stuff
17:26.24johnxnothing big :)
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17:27.16rm_youah yes
17:27.21rm_youi do like watching video on my tablet
17:27.26rm_youthat's basically why i have it :P
17:27.43rm_youand is related to most of the things I actually work on
17:27.45rm_youlike a2dp
17:27.47rm_youand mplayer
17:27.50rm_youand streaming stuff
17:27.53rm_youand uPnP
17:27.59rm_youand mythtv
17:28.03rm_youand... things
17:28.27johnxwhat are you using for video these days? built in player? mplayer? canola?
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17:29.06rm_youmplayer
17:29.16rm_youpretty much always mplayer
17:29.31rm_youit seems to be the most reliable video player I know about, on virtually every platform I have ever touched
17:29.34rm_youor thought about touching
17:29.51johnxI just wish there was a way to make it play nicer with canola
17:30.02rm_youat this point, i'm wondering if the quality of mplayer performance is actually a major deciding factor in whether or not i'll touch a platform >_>
17:30.20johnxwell it *should* be if it's not already
17:30.21rm_youneat: http://www.quartics.com/QV1721.html
17:30.27rm_youI want 5
17:30.31johnxanyways, anything with an omap3 will be basically golden :)
17:30.32rm_youon all of my devices
17:31.17johnxrealtime 1080p is pretty impressive. omap3s will cover up to 702p at least though, so not a big issue for future devices
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17:33.13rm_youhttp://www.fit-pc.co.uk/index.html
17:33.16rm_youalso neat
17:33.29rm_youhttp://www.fit-pc.co.uk/fitpc-slim-specs.pdf
17:34.04johnxsomewhat
17:34.11johnxI'm more impressed with the beagle really
17:34.19rm_youisn't this smaller?
17:34.40johnxbeagle is 3"x3"
17:34.50rm_younot sure about power consumption on the beagle...
17:34.53johnx's metric conversion fails
17:34.58rm_youI might need 5 or 7 of them though
17:35.02johnxit's gonna be less than any x86 box :)
17:35.03rm_youI need a lot of things <_<
17:35.08rm_youand by need I mean want
17:35.11rm_youand by want I mean need
17:35.52johnx:P
17:36.08johnxthat is impressively small though
17:36.19rm_youhrm
17:36.26rm_youthey only ship to europe >_>
17:36.34johnxvga out is the only choice on that though, which is sad
17:36.34rm_youwill have to get lcuk to ship it to me :P
17:36.42rm_youat least it HAS video out
17:36.53johnxow, a little steep too
17:36.58johnxwhat would you use it for?
17:37.03rm_youyeah 219 GBP
17:37.08rm_youerm
17:37.15rm_yougood question
17:37.18rm_youfor the powers of good?
17:37.25johnxwould you really though?
17:37.25Stskeepsbeagles are definately cheaper
17:37.25rm_youfor great justice?
17:37.28Stskeepslike 70 gbp or something
17:37.32rm_youwow
17:37.33rm_youhrm
17:37.45rm_youhrm
17:37.49rm_youyeah $149
17:37.50johnxlike the imac? and the ... other stuff... in your room...at home?
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17:37.56rm_youI do kinda want one
17:38.02rm_youlol
17:38.04rm_youno :P
17:38.09johnxahaha :D
17:38.10rm_youthat iMac is just... lol
17:38.23johnxit should be *doing something* though
17:38.26rm_youa very large paperweight. that just happens to completely obscure the paper
17:38.27johnxand I have just the thing
17:39.09johnxit should probably be running webcollage
17:39.11rm_youdid GA ever say how nice video looked on the beagle?
17:39.34johnxI don't remember
17:39.44rm_youhrm
17:39.49rm_youbeagle has svideo and dvi out?
17:39.59rm_youlike... mini dvi that needs a dongle or something?
17:40.06johnxdunno
17:40.20johnxyes, probably
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17:40.35johnxhuh, says "dvi-d"
17:40.43rm_youdunno what that is
17:40.46rm_youbut looks tiny
17:40.48rm_youand sounds like DVI
17:40.54johnxah, hdmi plug
17:41.25rm_youoh, nice shopping list
17:41.27rm_youhttp://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardShoppingList
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17:42.10johnxcontinues to kill time waiting for ubuntu to install on qemu-system-arm
17:42.45qwerty12wastes time *again* packaging the latest mpd with opts of all libraries involved >.<
17:42.49disco_stusomeone has a 150x sd card ?
17:43.58johnxneed. more. RAM.
17:46.00rm_you<_<
17:46.03rm_youI am so out of the loop
17:46.21rm_youi have no idea what's going on with technology in the past like 3 months
17:46.44johnxwell since you're never on here I assume that means you're never online?
17:47.06rm_youbasically
17:47.08johnxwhich I do find hard to believe ... but still :P
17:47.53johnxyou've heard of the pandora, right?
17:48.17rm_youyes
17:48.31rm_youthat was like... summer :P
17:48.40rm_youi still haven't unpacked from germany <_<
17:49.07johnx>_<
17:49.32rm_youi just kind of up-ended by suitcase in a corner and grabbed clothes as I needed them
17:49.38rm_youit's all still sitting in a pile
17:50.50qwerty12avahi is a big motherfucker...
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18:16.14lcukrm_you, what am i shipping to you
18:16.20lcukand will i get arrested
18:16.24qwerty12Ganja green
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18:17.09rm_youlcuk: fitPC, but nm, it's expensive and meh :P
18:17.17lcukahhh ok
18:17.40rm_youalternatively, Absenthe :P though I think jott is a better option for that
18:17.56rm_yousince he can just run over to the Depot ^_^
18:18.18rm_youapparently it's legal here now?
18:18.19johnxback in a sec
18:18.24rm_yousomeone told me that... dunno if I believe them
18:19.10qwerty12fiferboy :O
18:19.21fiferboyYes?
18:19.36qwerty12Hehe, hi, never seen you here before :)
18:19.42fiferboyNo, I don't ICR much.
18:19.53fiferboyCame in about the "Personal Launcher" problem.
18:20.00fiferboyICR = IRC ;-)
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18:21.19fiferboy'Beware "Personal Launcher"' seems a bit harsh to me, but I'm a bit biased...
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18:24.37rm_youwhy beware it? what are people claiming is wrong with it?
18:25.09johnxawesome. qemu-arm just sefaulted in the middle of my ubuntu install
18:25.14fiferboyMemory leak.  Apparently 8MB/min, but I can't see how that is possible.
18:25.55fiferboyI've never heard any other reports, so I am wondering who had this issue.
18:26.41Guest9198_887hello
18:26.47qwerty12Eero Tamminen - from maemo-developers. Nokia employee, I'm guessing he tested with his own memory leaking tooks (sp-*)
18:27.34Guest9198_887I want to reset my n800
18:27.57Guest9198_887but it needs me to input a code
18:28.16qwerty12Have you changed this code?
18:28.24Guest9198_887no
18:28.43fiferboyI ran mem-monitor from sp-memusage in scratchbox, and there is no variation.
18:28.49Guest9198_887i dont know the code
18:28.52qwerty12It's something like 12345
18:29.20fiferboyIt only reports total, free, and used memory and it show no variation.
18:29.39Guest9198_887to return it to factry settings
18:30.31Guest9198_887so i just try 12345 but no luck
18:30.55qwerty12sigh. Get root access first:
18:30.57qwerty12~rootsh
18:30.57infobotit has been said that rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
18:31.10Guest9198_887i have a app on it that i can not remove
18:32.01Guest9198_887so if i reset the device it will remove that app
18:32.08mimshitahi! i'm trying to compile an application, one of the libraries isn't found by the aplication, libgtkhtml-2.0, i've already installed it, but no result...still the same error
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18:32.30rm_youmimshita: you need the -dev package
18:32.39rm_youprobably libgtkhtml-2.0-dev
18:32.47rm_youthat's what the compiler is looking for
18:33.01qwerty12mimshita, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pkg-config
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18:33.07mimshitahumm, ok, i'll try that, thanks
18:33.14rm_youwaves at Khertan_n810
18:33.21rm_youand now i'm really off
18:33.26johnx'later rm_you
18:35.13mimshitarm_you: thanks, it is done
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18:35.37Khertan_n810Hello !
18:36.06Khertan_n810and hello rm_you :)
18:36.18Stskeepsjohnx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint
18:36.20Stskeepscomments so far?
18:36.44Stskeepsi think we'll add some qemu arms and so on for the build system
18:36.45Khertan_n810have try fennec
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18:37.01Khertan_n810and what can i say...
18:37.32Khertan_n810a french expression maybe : this smell like a fennec
18:38.07Khertan_n810this app is really not ready to be use ... (yes i know alpha version)
18:39.15johnxStskeeps, looks great
18:39.40Khertan_n810pray to see the mcalendar sync not crashing
18:39.48Stskeepsand then we'll work out what is to be considered the core system
18:40.08Khertan_n810fail ...
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18:40.35fiferboyAre there any debian packaging gurus who know how to rename a debian so it will recognize the new package name as a replacement for the old package name?
18:40.43fiferboyThe best I can find is: http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package
18:40.45Khertan_n810Xlib: sequence lost (0x1108b > 0x108c) in reply type 0x0!
18:40.51Khertan_n810ouuch
18:40.57fiferboyBut it only works on a dist-upgrade, which people don't do on the tablet.
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18:41.17lcukKhertan_n810, ive had those type of errors - extremely randomly though, not reproducable ever
18:41.20lcukwhats causing yours
18:41.37lcukhiya btw
18:41.53Khertan_n810lcuk ... at a first look i ll say a gtk lib call in a thread
18:42.04lcukits reproducable in your case?
18:42.14Khertan_n810not everytime
18:42.29johnxfiferboy, so you want your package to be replaced with a normal upgrade?
18:42.33Khertan_n810in fact it s mainly depends of the charge of the cpu
18:42.48fiferboyIf that is possible.
18:43.07johnxI think that's not possible. it tends to go against "the user is in control"
18:43.14Khertan_n810gtk.gdk.threads_enter() should do the trick
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18:44.01fiferboyThat explains why I couldn't find it.  The problem, then, is making users aware that the old package name is no longer being updated and there is now a new package name.
18:44.31Khertan_n810lcuk : i confirm a call to gtk while in thread
18:44.56johnxmake an update to the old one that causes it to pop up a message: "I am out of date! uninstall me and install this package instead."
18:45.17lcukahhh i wish mine was so clearcut, but since ive only encountered it a few very random times i cant do anything
18:45.32Khertan_n810or maybe do a postinst script calling apt-get ?
18:46.03Khertan_n810lcuk : in fact the message is clear ... async ...
18:46.16lcukin your case, yes
18:46.25qwerty12_N800Khertan_n810, /var/lib/dpkg is locked when one apt is running already
18:46.26lcuki dont use gtk nor work really async
18:47.02Khertan_n810qwerty12_N800: right
18:47.55Khertan_n810qwerty12_N800: a postinst script which launch a process waiting and running it once dpkg is no more locked ?
18:48.07fiferboyjohnx: Not a bad idea!  I guess another option would be to just change the XB-Maemo-Display-Name so it shows up with a different name but keeps the same package name.
18:48.23Khertan_n810lcuk : yep but maybe an other lib which isn t thread safe
18:48.28qwerty12_N800fiferboy, maybe making the old package a metapackage that depends on your new package?
18:48.41Stskeepsjohnx: you think having a package system that builds system images with debootstrap & apt-get and chroot and mkfs.jffs2 would be satisfying enough for system builders?
18:48.45Khertan_n810qwerty12 : better :)
18:48.47Stskeepsso they can value-add packages on top of the system
18:48.57lcukyeah Khertan_n810, ive pondered if its something else intefering with xlib, but thats outside my scope really
18:49.05Stskeeps(wifi driver, GPS, hal/ohm addons, software differentiators)
18:49.06mimshitathanks for the help, see you all tomorrow:)
18:49.26Khertan_n810lcuk: which lib do u use ?
18:49.35lcukx11+xv
18:49.46Khertan_n810lcuk: maybe a gdb could help ?
18:50.10fiferboyqwerty12_N800: I have thought of that.  I was hoping to have the first package uninstall afterward, but if the worst case senario has an extra metapackage sitting there, that's not too bad.
18:50.35johnxStskeeps, sounds totally reasonable. a .tar.gz/bz2 target should also be an option for us and other enthusiasts
18:50.42lcuknot really, its SOOOOOOO infrequent i could sit there for days (ive not seen it for weeks now)
18:50.58johnxfiferboy, if that's the worst problem then I would definitely just do that
18:51.40fiferboyI'll try the meta package route again, though I seem to recall running into a problem with it.
18:51.47fiferboyCan't remember what the problem was, though.
18:53.03RST38hmoo again
18:53.16X-Fadefiferboy: Hi, it was me who sent you the email to warn you..
18:53.21qwerty12_N800moo RST38h
18:53.22Stskeepsjohnx: one of our target images / Po's should be a n8x0 image with initfs and rootfs, with vendor differentiators (wifi firmware, etc) as an example i guess. (scripts for building this, not distributing, x86 images and beagleboard i guess
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18:54.24Khertan_n810oups sorry
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18:54.39Khertan_n810i get now strange gcalendar
18:54.48Khertan_n810gdata.calendar error
18:54.49Khertan_n810grrr
18:55.18Khertan_n810sslerror: (8, 'EOF occurred in violation of protocol')
18:55.36Khertan_n810this work well 6 weeks ago ... and now ... grrr
18:56.08lcukomg khertan, is this linked to a comment i spotted about someone being an hour out
18:56.23lcuknow that daylight savings has changed
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18:57.27fiferboyX-Fade: Hi.  I really haven't heard of a problem like this from anyone else who has used Personal Launcher
18:58.02fiferboyWith an 8MB/min drain, it would be extremely obvious as the device would be on it's knees after a few minutes.
18:58.28X-Fadefiferboy: It is just that the person who wrote about this is about the most knowledgeable guy there is ;)
18:58.31Stskeepsfiferboy: he did mention it stops when it's filled up though
18:58.43X-Fadefiferboy: That is what made it sound prudent to me.
18:58.52Stskeepshe's practically mr nXXX isn't he? :P
18:59.03Stskeepsfrom sw point of view
18:59.31Khertan_n810lcuk : ?
18:59.43fiferboyI don't doubt his report, but the fact that 11000 other people have downloaded the software and not had any similar problem sunfuses me.
18:59.53fiferboysunfuses = confuses
18:59.56X-Fadefiferboy: But it can be something that triggered it.
19:00.09Stskeepsare we speaking about the sidebar applet of personal launcher or the desktop one?
19:00.12lcuki spotted a message very recently from someone who said they enter dates into mcalendar one hour from the actual time, and this is related to the daylight savings changes
19:00.25X-Fadefiferboy: As he also said: "For some strange reason its memory usage evened out after it's eaten about all there is.  It's possible that there was some triggering condition for this, I don't know."
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19:00.38fiferboyI would need to know what conditions he was running it with, and whether it can be reproduced.
19:00.42lcuki didnt think twice about it (i think it was one of your threads) but you just saying "something worked a few weeks ago" clicked
19:00.49X-FadeAnd if it would leak badly there would be an OOM situation pretty soon.
19:01.00fiferboyStskeeps: the desktop one.  Sidebar is Personal Menu
19:01.04Stskeepsah
19:01.20Khertan_n810lcuk: yep in the version in repository their is many problem with daylight and current version in repository
19:01.22fiferboyX-Fade: agreed
19:01.32Khertan_n810but the 0.5 should fix this
19:01.32l7is it possible to store all your data in ext2 format when booting from SD?
19:01.39Khertan_n810(and many other things)
19:01.42lcukKhertan_n810, :) np whatsoever
19:01.51fiferboyDo we know how he determined it was Personal Launcher?
19:01.52lcukexcellent that you are busy
19:02.10Khertan_n810but i think their will be new problems as it s a complete rewrite of mCalendar
19:02.21lcukoooh sounds familiar
19:02.31Khertan_n810:)
19:02.32lcukhas bits of liqbase scattered around the garage
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19:04.26X-Fadefiferboy: fwiw, I have installed the application now too. And it seems ok for now ;)
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19:05.19fiferboyI have run it through valgrind and mem-monitor without issue, so it must be some condition.
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19:05.45X-Fadefiferboy: What does it monitor to redraw?
19:06.02fiferboyExpose event or configuration file update.
19:06.22fiferboyWhich is why I can't understand why it would trigger even with the screen blanked
19:06.39fiferboyUnless something is sending it expose events when it shouldn't be.
19:07.01X-FadeOverlapping applets perhaps?
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19:09.06fiferboyI haven't done any formal memory testing with overlapping applets, but I have definitely has them on my tablet without issue.
19:09.30fiferboyUnless it is a specific applet combination.  Can I find that out?
19:10.03X-Fadefiferboy: Well, eero is always on -developers.
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19:10.34X-Fadefiferboy: I will comment to the thread that I don't see that behavior on my tablet.
19:10.44fiferboyThanks.
19:11.01X-FadeI see one redraw after I move an applet away.
19:11.15X-FadeBut not constant redraws.
19:11.29fiferboyThat's good.
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19:15.23Stskeepsjohnx: did we ever discover what is actually special about nokia's glib?
19:15.57johnxhmm
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19:16.23johnxuhm, nothing?
19:16.53johnxah, there are changed in the debian/changelog
19:17.01johnxnothing sweeping I think
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19:17.36johnx"* Add realtime scheduling for GThreadPools and atomic operations for ARM." looks the most interesting at first glance :)
19:17.50Stskeepsk
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19:38.23glaubertsouzahi all.!
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19:40.18korgothhello guys
19:40.30korgothanyone using wikipedia dump reader?
19:41.22johnxthe browser based one?
19:43.30korgothdont think its browser based.. i havnt seen that browser based ure talking about?
19:43.37korgothwhere to find it'
19:43.37korgoth?
19:44.30johnxone sec
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19:46.01korgoththe one i have is working fine excedpt it does not support cyrillic searches :(
19:46.21johnxlet's see, there's the mokopedia one, the sdict based one, and then I guess you could just take a dump of wikipedia and look at it in a browser
19:47.21korgoththe thing is the one i have is reading from the tar.gz
19:47.28korgothsaves a lot of space..
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19:48.42korgothanyway.. the other thing that bugs me is the applications stealing focus from one another
19:49.04korgothis there some upgrade ot fix for that
19:49.05korgoth?
19:52.59X-Fadefiferboy: My n810 is still alive ;)
19:53.02johnxthey say they'll fix it on a case by case basis
19:53.25fiferboyX-Fade: :-D
19:53.31fiferboyThat's probably a good sign
19:53.43X-Fadefiferboy: With 8MB/s it should be dead by now ;)
19:53.48johnxkorgoth, might be interested in reading this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2430
19:54.15sp3000X-Fade: well eero said it's happy as soon as it has all of it
19:54.44sp3000you could grab the sp-endurance bits and run that in a loop with sleep for pretty graphs
19:54.48fiferboyX-Fade: Do you still have a reasonable amount of memory free?
19:54.48X-Fadesp3000: But I still have 3 blocks free on my cpu/mem monitor applet ;)
19:54.49sp3000(tools repo)
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19:55.04sp3000well that's no fun
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19:59.51X-Fadesp3000: If I actually had more time to spare, I would do that. But I have already worked more than 12 hours for maemo.org today and I think it is enough :)
20:00.21sp3000what, but there's another 12h left!
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20:01.37X-FadeI'm pretty dedicated, but that is pushing it ;)
20:02.24lcuksp3000, yes as X-Fade says, its pushing it.  hes entitled to a 15minute break before his next shift
20:02.39sp3000starts the timer
20:02.46lcukheh
20:02.47X-Fadelcuk: The graveyard shift? Nooooo..
20:03.12lcukX-Fade, i hope you keep your crackberry clone (nokia branded of course) on you during your "down time" and answer any calls which come in
20:04.01lcukis hunting for a wii-fit
20:04.34lcuki doubt ill find one though
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20:05.19qwerty12_N800refrains from making north comment :P
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20:06.31puffandstuffany spec about mamemo raphics please ? (3D features, X, egl or something else clutter) i want to read anything
20:06.55lcukwhats a mamemo raphics?
20:07.30puffandstufflcuk, graphics sorry
20:07.43lcukheh i kinda gathered ;)
20:07.45lcukits got x
20:08.06lcuktheres a software opengl driver out there somewhere (though not compilable from source)
20:08.28lcuktheres a dedicated 3d core on the device but no1 bothered to include a switch
20:08.35lcukso its set to "off"
20:08.52lcuktheres plenty of clutter on my desktop but its not 3d
20:09.38puffandstufflcuk, Ok thanks for the information. Is there any design documents or any sepcifications for that ?
20:10.21lcuknot sure which aspect you mean, clutter is documented somewhere but useless, as is ogl and im quite certain x is as well
20:10.49puffandstufflcuk, thanks
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20:15.49X-FadeVDVsx: Hi.
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20:16.12X-FadeVDVsx: Can I ask you to translate these few categories in pt_PT? https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories#Translations
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20:21.02VDVsxX-Fade, no prob, I will do it
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20:23.04X-FadeVDVsx: Thanks!
20:23.15X-FadeSo now we only need somebody with no_NO :)
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20:36.28*** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/
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20:56.36StskeepsX-Fade: i have a no_NO translation laying in my log, with gplv2 verified
20:57.28StskeepsGeneralAntilles: no_NO: Skrivebord, Programming, Undervisning, Spill, Grafikk, Multimedia, Navigasjon, Internet og Nettverk, Kontor, Vitenskap, System, Verktoy
20:57.57GeneralAntillesStskeeps, attribution?
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21:01.22GeneralAntillesStskeeps, Navigation is Location & Navigation
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21:03.51GeneralAntillesOnce we get pt_PT we're mostly done.
21:04.09GeneralAntillesA few translations don't have attribution, a few more I still need to confirm the licensing on.
21:04.26GeneralAntillesSome of the translations are Education and some are Educational. :\
21:05.40VDVsxis something wrong with the wiki ? I can't stay log'ed
21:07.19GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3788
21:07.32GeneralAntillesMake sure you're using https
21:08.55VDVsxhumm, I'm using https
21:12.57GeneralAntillesandre___, ping?
21:13.09andre___GeneralAntilles, peng!
21:13.16GeneralAntillesandre___ -> #canola
21:15.36VDVsxpt_PT done
21:16.06l7is Bos Wars any fun?
21:16.29Stskeepsjohnx: still awake?
21:16.30GeneralAntillesVDVsx, OK, is GPLv2 acceptable? :)
21:16.44VDVsxGeneralAntilles, sure, lol
21:16.48johnxStskeeps, yeah
21:16.53GeneralAntillesVDVsx, thanks! :D
21:16.55Stskeepsjohnx: finally got the builder up again :P
21:16.59Stskeepsnow it doesn't do the peer stuff
21:17.07johnxah, what was the problem?
21:17.38Stskeepseither double-NAT or linux NAT acting up
21:17.42Stskeepsit's now bridging so
21:17.56Stskeeps(which was why i threw my works development server offline by accident..)
21:18.22johnxeep
21:18.32johnxwell at least nothing else can go wrong today, right?
21:18.43Stskeepsi hope not
21:18.43Stskeeps:P
21:19.31johnxanyways, I'm just trying to get ubuntu installed on qemu so I can go back to actually using my arm devices
21:19.36Stskeepsbut, http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/ is kinda cool
21:19.39Stskeepsyou can see why it fails etc
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21:20.43Stskeepsand we can easily attach qemu builders on to it
21:20.52johnxso is this using one of the debian autobuilder daemons?
21:20.52Stskeepsjust needs a place to ssh to
21:20.55Stskeepsnop
21:20.59Stskeepsself written monster
21:21.11johnxso it doesn't build in a clean chroot?
21:21.30Stskeepsfor now, no
21:21.32Stskeepsbut hmm, "nd_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 253408
21:21.35Stskeepsthat's nasty
21:22.16johnxyeah, very icky
21:22.35johnxchewed up a nice new SD card?
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21:22.43johnxit's not an adata 4GB is it?
21:23.17Stskeepskingston 4gb i think
21:24.02Stskeepsshould probably use nfs boot next time
21:24.24Stskeepsponders idly if there's a wasy to cut usb power from command line
21:24.43johnxI've used enough hardware at this point that I'm running out of brands I haven't had a screw up badly on me
21:24.58sp3000X-Fade: not reproducible for me either -- it does have an animate option for when you tap stuff but I can't get the animation to stick or anything
21:25.08johnxif you rmmod the usb root hub driver I think it will cut power to connected devices
21:25.43Stskeepsjohnx: on the other hand it just surved a machine reboot
21:26.27Stskeepsright,rootstraps on nfs next time
21:26.30Stskeepsmakes mental note
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21:35.04GeneralAntillesStskeeps, no armv7?
21:35.18StskeepsGeneralAntilles: there's no mojo armv7 afaik
21:35.24GeneralAntillesReally?
21:35.25GeneralAntillesHuh
21:35.32GeneralAntillesI could've sworn there was
21:35.49Stskeepsno such thing in ubuntu either
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21:36.04GeneralAntillesHrm
21:36.06GeneralAntillesI guess I remember that.
21:36.22Stskeepsthey will make customized libs/etc for armv6/vfp/armv7 though
21:36.32GeneralAntillesYes, I do remember that
21:36.43GeneralAntillesThat's the advantage Ångstrom has.
21:37.11Stskeepsangstrom's kinda like a gentoo i guess
21:38.11johnxexcept worth it
21:38.18johnx:)
21:38.18GeneralAntillesHa
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21:38.50johnxif everything wasn't completely broken to cross compile I would have switched to angstrom/OE long ago
21:39.05johnxbut everything is completely broken to cross compile, so I might as well use debuntu
21:39.44Stskeepsjohnx: we should also ponder about straying from Maemo's "we must crosscompile 100%" to native compilation + distcc
21:40.31johnxit would be nice to not regress if we can avoid it, but I see no problem with native
21:41.04johnxthere are fast, cheap arm build machines, and it saves huge amount of maintainer time (and sanity)
21:41.04GeneralAntillesNative is even better considering OMAP3
21:41.29johnxI think the fastest ARM might still be a dual core marvell board
21:41.48GeneralAntillesDid you catch the 1GHz ARM they were using for Debian?
21:42.35GeneralAntillesBlog post somewhere which, of course, I can't find now.
21:42.42Stskeepsjohnx: i guess sb2 might be more sane
21:44.12johnxStskeeps, maybe, one day
21:44.16sp3000GeneralAntilles: http://suihkulokki.blogspot.com/2008/09/marvell-mv78x00-board.html
21:44.27GeneralAntillesThat's the one
21:44.29GeneralAntillesThanks, sp3000. :)
21:44.35johnxthat's what I was referring to :)
21:44.38sp3000/nick googlebot
21:45.11moontigeris teaching some google people right now :)
21:45.45rkabirout of curiousity - does anyone know how many people on this channel are employed by Nokia?
21:47.00Stskeepsrkabir: it's not always easy, cos some are hired by maemo.org, and not maemo sw for instance :P
21:47.41rkabirStskeeps: what do you mean?
21:48.21GeneralAntillesrkabir, well, there are Nokia employees, there are Nokia contractors, and there are maemo.org people
21:48.23Stskeepsrkabir: as in there's people hired for running maemo.org, some are hired for developing the maemo system inside nokia, some are in companies that nokia contracts with..
21:48.31Stskeeps.. what GA said
21:48.32Stskeeps:P
21:48.44GeneralAntillesAll of them technically employed by Nokia, but to different degrees and for different purposes.
21:48.54GeneralAntillesrkabir, more than the average for these sorts of projects, I'd imagine.
21:49.00rkabirok, that makes sense
21:49.19GeneralAntillesI'll not point any of them out unless they wish to step forward themselves, though. ;)
21:49.21rkabirmy question stems from wanting to understand why I *always* find traffic on #maemo, and never on any of the OLPC-related channels
21:49.35GeneralAntillesBecause Maemo's super awesome? :P
21:50.16rkabirGeneralAntilles: no, of course not :) I just wanted to get an idea - thanks. And no argument there!
21:50.31rkabirStskeeps: thanks - makes much more sense
21:50.40Stskeepsrkabir: tablets are like brain slugs. on your body at all times..
21:50.41Stskeepsor something
21:51.29moontigeryou mean headcrabs?
21:51.35rkabirStskeeps: that's more what I was thinking. I've been trying to decide between the two projects to get my hands dirty - and my N810 seems much more compelling to hack on, though the OLPC seems like such a good cause
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21:52.43Stskeepsrkabir: N810 is a very versatile device and any stuff done in tablet area may also change the world eventually
21:53.09Stskeepsas many of the challenges are similar, power consumption, ease of use, etc..
21:54.03ShadowJK_christmas is nearing and no N900 in sight? :-(
21:54.12rkabirStskeeps: absolutely. Personally, I'm hoping to learn enough to fix the bluetooth latency I'm seeing with my keyboard. I do like the fact that I can work on something *i* will use. I'm a selfish bastard after all :)
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21:54.36johnxShadowJK_, sometime after june 2009
21:54.42ShadowJK_bah
21:55.13ShadowJK_Looks like I'll have to spend money on presents for other people, then :)
21:55.33johnxthat date was set in september you know...
21:56.01ShadowJK_Oh I guess I saw something before that speculating a christmas surprise
21:57.12Stskeepswonders if there are any desktop jaiku clients
21:58.00rkabirStskeeps: what desktop OS?
21:58.21Stskeepswell in this case xp, i have mauku on my n800 :P
21:58.46rkabiri've used http://jay-q.com/
21:58.53StskeepsShadowJK_: have you seen my builder of doom?
21:59.01ShadowJK_nop
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21:59.20StskeepsShadowJK_: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com
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22:01.11ShadowJK_nice
22:02.38lcukmoontiger, that thread is epic
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22:08.06moontigerhahaha
22:09.07lcukpost in it then, dont just talk about it, leave you mark
22:09.23lcukbut include the word fuck somewhere or ppl will shout at you ;)
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22:11.56VDVsxthe admin/responsible for the maemo.org site is here ?
22:13.49GeneralAntillesVDVsx, here, not sure if he's still available, though.
22:13.52GeneralAntillesWhat's the question?
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22:14.21VDVsxGeneralAntilles, the fosdem dates should be changed
22:15.34GeneralAntillesVDVsx, you mean the one here? http://maemo.org/news/events/
22:15.37GeneralAntillesI think I can edit that. . . .
22:16.01VDVsxGeneralAntilles, yup, it also appear in the front page
22:16.10GeneralAntillesVDVsx, what's the correct date?
22:16.30VDVsxGeneralAntilles, 7 and 8 Feb
22:16.44VDVsxGeneralAntilles, http://fosdem.org/2009/
22:16.58GeneralAntillesOK, correct now? http://maemo.org/news/events/fosdem_2009/
22:17.23lcukmoontiger, ive never seen you swear (mind you, ive not seen many people swear around here)
22:17.45GeneralAntillesGo die in a fire you goddamn wanker bastard, you, lcuk. :P
22:17.57qwerty12_N800haha
22:18.01lcukand you said that with your post-virginity cheesy grin on your face
22:18.37GeneralAntilleslcuk, the timings a bit off. :P
22:18.45lcukon that score gen, the reaction from people has been more positive
22:18.48VDVsxGeneralAntilles, yup, but still wrong in the maemo.org front page
22:18.57GeneralAntillesVDVsx, yeah, it should change at some point.
22:19.02GeneralAntillesI'm not sure how often it updates.
22:19.12GeneralAntillesBut thanks for pointing out the problem! :)
22:19.17VDVsxGeneralAntilles, ok :), many thanks
22:20.40lcukGeneralAntilles, ok my timings a little off, you mean the grin will get even bigger when you finally lose it?
22:21.03GeneralAntillesadds evil things to lcuk's wanker death. :P
22:21.46Stskeepsam i the only one who could wish for a little resistance in material on the stand for the n800?
22:22.09lcukwhat do you mean resistance?   strength or friction
22:22.18Stskeepsso you can use stylus on it when standing on slippery surface
22:22.34disco_stuStskeeps: you can mod it
22:22.40lcukthe 810 is worse
22:22.59disco_stuyou could glue some rubber squares
22:23.03lcukbut mine doesnt move anywhere, space age elastic bands
22:23.12Stskeepsdisco_stu: considering to glue on some rubber, yeah. :P
22:23.26disco_stuStskeeps: i was serious
22:23.27disco_stu:P
22:23.53lcuki put a rubber patch from puncture kit on the back of my 810
22:24.01lcukbefore i built my woody
22:24.16Stskeepsso was i, disco_stu, i was typing at same time as you said it :P
22:24.51moontigercorrected now :)
22:24.55disco_stuStskeeps: i thought it was sarcasm
22:25.04GeneralAntillesStskeeps, mine just ends up backing up against my left monitor or left speaker.
22:25.10GeneralAntillesYou could buy a little rubber pad for it.
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22:26.03lcukmoontiger, i saw, what do you teach btw
22:26.19Stskeepsdbus for beginners? :P
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22:27.20moontigertoday im teaching sql stuff to google people
22:27.20lcuki was thinking English for Junior kids.  eventually one day they will look up their teachers jaiku page and discover their perfect teacher is a swearing lout :P
22:27.40moontigeri also do php / apache / ajax / javascript
22:27.48lcukahhh google employees, same mental age as juniors ;)
22:28.13moontigerhahaha so if u see the results from google get better soon then thank me ;)
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22:28.43moontigerStskeeps, i wish
22:28.46moontiger:)
22:28.56Stskeepslcuk: i had an alcoholic as english teacher in high school.. one day he didn't show up for class, we sat outside and waited for 15-20 mins at a locked class room door.. we leave, 30 mins later we see him stumble out still partly drunk and hungover after obviously sleeping in the classroom
22:29.09lcukoh shite
22:29.15Stskeepsthat was entertaining
22:29.43disco_stuStskeeps: what a good teacher
22:30.00disco_stuin argentina he would all kids idol
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22:30.04GeneralAntillesHa
22:30.12disco_stus/would/would be/
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22:57.34Stskeeps5 hours of making slides gives you a headache like no other. :P
22:58.53johnxbelieves it
22:58.57johnxwhat kind of slides?
22:59.31Stskeepspresentation on "Privacy issues in Location-Aware Mobile Devices"
23:00.18GeneralAntilles"Local access trumps all"
23:00.30GeneralAntillesOh, right
23:00.32GeneralAntillesPrivacy
23:00.36GeneralAntillesbecomes literate.
23:01.20johnxwow. that was fast
23:01.37GeneralAntillesiz smaert
23:02.59lcukComputer of the future: "Welcome home stskeeps, I've warmed up the lube and inflated Mandy for you."
23:03.05lcuksts: "but i'm still at work"
23:03.55GeneralAntilleslcuk, as it blares over the speakers of your N9000 while you're sitting at the office? ;)
23:03.57lcuksomeone was saying they want their device to actually react in locations
23:04.24GeneralAntillesBluetooth proximity can be fun for that.
23:04.35GeneralAntillesSet away status based on the proximity of your cellphone or tablet to your computer.
23:04.36Stskeepslcuk: mandy the sheep?
23:04.37lcukok bluetooth is good
23:04.42lcukbut gps based is not so much
23:04.55GeneralAntillesGPS chips will get better
23:04.58lcukyeah Stskeeps i fixed the puncture and put her back in your cupboard
23:05.18lcukGeneralAntilles, will never be perfect :)
23:05.29GeneralAntillesWell, perfect is relative
23:05.34GeneralAntillesIt'll be "good enough"
23:05.41lcukindoors?
23:05.44GeneralAntillesSure
23:05.46lcuknear buildings?
23:06.05GeneralAntillesNew satellites will go up, new chipsets will come out.
23:06.19GeneralAntillesBesides, there's cellphone towers
23:06.27GeneralAntillesThey're already adding them to malls and airports.
23:06.30GeneralAntillesMore will come.
23:06.34johnxit's really impressive on my phone for example
23:06.40GeneralAntillesThe grid will own you soon enough. :P
23:06.49GeneralAntillesBut, again, it's all about "good enough"
23:06.52StskeepsUWB positioning for the masses.
23:06.53Stskeeps:P
23:07.04GeneralAntillesKnowing you're "at the mall" is sufficient
23:07.08johnxheh...easy enough to go off grid. I just climb a 1200 and bam, no geolocation :)
23:07.12lcukcurls up with just the glow of his n810 to keep him company
23:07.13Stskeepsponders if anyone cited his paper yet
23:07.16GeneralAntillesYou don't necessarily need to know you're in the GAP
23:07.20johnxs/1200/1200m mountain/
23:08.00lcukGeneralAntilles, but it cannot know that all the time
23:08.11GeneralAntillesFor now
23:08.13GeneralAntillesBut give it time.
23:08.45lcukstands around patiently waiting for technology to catch up with GeneralAntilles
23:08.59GeneralAntillesJust having the lights turn on and the AC switch from power saving when I walk in the door would be pretty sweet, though.
23:08.59lcuklooks at his watch
23:09.10guysoft422hi again - do 16GB mini sdhc cards work on the nokia n810/
23:09.12guysoft422?
23:09.14lcukyou were right with bluetooth
23:09.15GeneralAntillesputs lcuk into a coma for the next 10 years with a tire iron.
23:09.20lcuki think thats 100% more realistic
23:09.26GeneralAntillesguysoft422, any SDHC card up to 2048GB will work fine.
23:09.39lcukcan i have one of those when gps works always?
23:09.50lcukand will i also be able to play duke nukem forever?
23:09.57lcukwhilst driving my flying car
23:10.01guysoft422GeneralAntilles, thanks, ill keep that in mind when they have a 2TB card on sale :-)
23:10.05GeneralAntillesSD capacities are doubling, what, once a year?
23:10.31GeneralAntilleslcuk, that's 6 years away
23:10.34lcukw000t only 5 more years (assuming 64 now)
23:10.44GeneralAntillesWhich assumes no bigger breakthroughs in the meantime.
23:10.49guysoft422GeneralAntilles, yes, but the price here is double , so we are a year behind..
23:11.11guysoft422lcuk, wont they hit that magical size limit?
23:11.13GeneralAntillesguysoft422, then I guess you'll just have to buy a 1TB card. :P
23:11.20GeneralAntillesThat limit is 2048GB
23:11.25guysoft422GeneralAntilles, lol :)
23:11.34lcukwouldnt it be 2000GB?
23:11.55lcukformatted to 128mb
23:12.16guysoft422the annoying thing is i just got a 8GB sdhc card for my XO
23:12.21GeneralAntillesDon't mix units.
23:12.35GeneralAntilles2000GiB
23:12.50lcuk2000gib, thats gotta be a messy movie
23:13.15GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GiB
23:13.18guysoft422more like 2000 space captivity..
23:13.46lcukhow many library of congresses is that?
23:14.21Stskeepswoo, someone actually cited me and my former boss' paper on positioning :>
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23:14.51GeneralAntillesWhat is an LoC, 10TB?
23:15.20guysoft422are there deb-src repos for maemo? i wanted to add a small fix to the GPE summery applet - it there are long lines it looks bad..
23:16.13`0660GeneralAntilles, Lines of Code?
23:16.47derfThat'd be one heck of a line.
23:18.06Stskeepshttp://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/ has them all at least
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23:20.21GeneralAntilles`0660, Library of Congress
23:21.07guysoft422`0660, why? its just "if line over x" then add newline
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23:28.02`0660i should have read the previous lines first :)
23:28.40GeneralAntillesWho wants to bet that Windows ME consisted of a single 10TB line of code, though? :P
23:33.48lcuknahhhh, notepad on win9x was limited to very small files
23:34.13lcukit was purely luck that technological problems prevented it however ;)
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