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| 00:14.03 | l7 | hey, does anyone know how to extract the original initfs file from the diablo image and restore it to the tablet? |
| 00:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 00:14.20 | infobot | from memory, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 00:15.15 | disco_stu | l7: you did it a few days ago |
| 00:15.37 | disco_stu | did you get your tablet back to work ? |
| 00:16.54 | l7 | yeah, i don't want to reflash the entire tablet though, just the initfs part |
| 00:17.18 | l7 | disco_stu: not yet, i had to go out of town for a bit so the tablet is still stuck where it is |
| 00:17.37 | disco_stu | l7: the charger was working ? |
| 00:17.52 | l7 | still don't know, i am going to call nokia tech support later |
| 00:18.11 | l7 | i found out the phones i have don't have the same size charging port |
| 00:18.15 | disco_stu | l7: you can always try with your tongue, remember.. lol |
| 00:18.23 | l7 | lol, no thanks |
| 00:18.29 | disco_stu | old phones |
| 00:18.49 | l7 | i *think* i may be able to take the tablet into the nokia store and see if they'll help there |
| 00:36.43 | l7 | hrm, now i wonder whether i should mess around more in telnet mode or just try to reflash |
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| 00:54.54 | disco_stu | infobot: wanna play poker ? |
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| 01:04.41 | l7 | phew, reflashing worked |
| 01:04.55 | l7 | i better learn how to clone the system to sd now |
| 01:05.05 | GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd |
| 01:05.06 | infobot | it has been said that boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 01:05.21 | l7 | heh thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 01:05.59 | l7 | hmm, it looks like i have full battery |
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| 01:06.44 | l7 | so i guess the thing was charging all along |
| 01:07.01 | l7 | now that i put my ear to it, the charger makes a distinctive buzz-click sound |
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| 01:20.34 | l7 | the Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY thread is a bit odd |
| 01:20.38 | l7 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 |
| 01:20.59 | l7 | why does he recommend different swap partition sizes based on the size of your SDHC card? |
| 01:21.39 | l7 | i would think you'd just want to take the optimal amount of swap based on available ram to maximize your tablet's performance |
| 01:21.57 | GeneralAntilles | l7, dunno. |
| 01:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | Just use the wiki page. :P |
| 01:22.33 | l7 | heh ok |
| 01:22.56 | l7 | can any old SD or SDHC card be used for booting? |
| 01:23.37 | GeneralAntilles | Well, assuming it's bigger than 512MB |
| 01:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | Class 6 is more desirable because of the speed. |
| 01:24.27 | l7 | hrm, this kind of makes me rethink my SD card buying plans |
| 01:25.19 | l7 | it seems like having a few smaller 2 to 4GB SD cards lying around would be handy to hold a backup system |
| 01:25.32 | l7 | though i guess i could buy a massive 32GB card and partition it up |
| 01:25.51 | disco_stu | l7: congrats |
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| 01:26.25 | l7 | disco_stu: thanks, i was really worrying the thing would brick |
| 01:26.34 | l7 | it turned out i had a full battery strangely |
| 01:27.25 | l7 | does your charger make a distinct sound by the way? |
| 01:27.43 | l7 | it seems like it will buzz-click when charging and simply buzz at a higher pitch when it's full |
| 01:28.14 | l7 | it buzzes at a lower pitch when the device is unplugged |
| 01:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's probably failing |
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| 01:32.40 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: what makes you say that? |
| 01:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | They usually don't make noises when they're in good shape |
| 01:33.36 | l7 | hmm |
| 01:34.21 | l7 | i suppose it's possible the charger corrupted some data on my device and caused it the become unbootable |
| 01:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | Unlikely |
| 01:35.02 | lcuk | what buzzes, the psu plug or the nit itself |
| 01:35.15 | l7 | then the device becoming unbootable and the possibly failing charger are just a coincidence? |
| 01:35.21 | l7 | lcuk: the charger |
| 01:35.46 | lcuk | the noise difference is under load or not, i hear it with electronics all the time |
| 01:35.57 | lcuk | you say you are having a problem with it though |
| 01:36.16 | l7 | lcuk: i don't know if it's the charger exactly |
| 01:36.36 | l7 | here's the sequence of events: |
| 01:36.41 | lcuk | what is happening |
| 01:36.45 | lcuk | heh |
| 01:37.14 | l7 | the device became unbootable at some point and would always get stuck at the end of the booting progress bar |
| 01:37.21 | l7 | reflashing fixed it |
| 01:37.37 | l7 | now i noticed the charger makes some noise when i put my ear to it |
| 01:38.01 | l7 | of course you have to put your ear about 2 inches away to hear it, so maybe it's always been that way |
| 01:38.23 | l7 | it makes a rhymthmic buzz-click when it's charging the tablet |
| 01:38.37 | l7 | when charging is done, it will buzz at a high pitch |
| 01:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that's bad. |
| 01:38.51 | l7 | when the tablet it unplugged, it seems to buzz at a slightly lower pitch |
| 01:38.54 | l7 | hmm |
| 01:39.01 | l7 | let me listen to my other nokia chargers |
| 01:39.24 | l7 | does anyone else's tablet charger buzz? |
| 01:39.28 | lcuk | is that the only problem? |
| 01:39.44 | lcuk | whats your AC voltage and how large is the brick |
| 01:40.29 | lcuk | it should do it to varying degree with all electronics |
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| 01:41.50 | l7 | hrm, let me get a ruler |
| 01:42.07 | l7 | hey, this is interesting: the charger buzzes when it shares an outlet with my laptop |
| 01:42.11 | lcuk | heh, is it bigger than a std plug |
| 01:42.20 | lcuk | or same size |
| 01:42.36 | l7 | but when i plug it into a wall outlet by itself, it does not buzz |
| 01:42.40 | lcuk | i can hear my cellphone charger from across the room |
| 01:42.51 | lcuk | practically no current draw |
| 01:42.57 | l7 | it's about 2 and 1/2" inches wide |
| 01:43.18 | l7 | 3/4 inch tall, 1 1/2" inch deep |
| 01:43.44 | l7 | i thought all tablet chargers should look about the same, but maybe with a different plug in europe |
| 01:44.04 | lcuk | where are you? |
| 01:44.24 | l7 | in the US |
| 01:44.45 | lcuk | ahh, im in the uk, us plugs are smaller than ours, it would make for a different design |
| 01:44.48 | l7 | it's too bad they don't use the same plugs around the world anyway |
| 01:44.58 | lcuk | for other reasons |
| 01:45.09 | l7 | weird, why would the UK version get bigger chargers? |
| 01:45.11 | lcuk | have you tried your other chargers |
| 01:45.23 | l7 | some kind of EU or UK consumer law maybe? |
| 01:45.35 | l7 | let me grab the phone charger |
| 01:45.37 | lcuk | plug form factor can fit charger circuit within it |
| 01:46.08 | lcuk | not larger though than a standard plug, but some chargers (older higher amp) are larger bricks |
| 01:48.33 | SmackPotat | a lot of chargers work both on 120 or 220 |
| 01:48.58 | SmackPotat | voles |
| 01:48.59 | l7 | re |
| 01:49.08 | SmackPotat | volts |
| 01:49.10 | l7 | okay, my phone's charger also makes a high frequency buzz |
| 01:49.51 | lcuk | l7, be thankful you can still hear things, or be upset at the onset of tinnitus |
| 01:50.22 | l7 | heh |
| 01:50.26 | lcuk | i can hear every outlet in the room, and often go round switching them off to get some p&q |
| 01:51.16 | lcuk | the worst offender is our knackered old tv, its got a dodgy pot inside which squeels in a different note on different channels |
| 01:51.57 | l7 | one of those old picture tube TVs? |
| 01:52.04 | lcuk | heh yeah :) |
| 01:52.19 | l7 | those things all make the most annoying whine |
| 01:52.38 | lcuk | well we just confirmed you are sensitive to it |
| 01:52.39 | l7 | never seemed to bother my parents, but perhaps it's in a frequency range that old people can't hear |
| 01:52.56 | SmackPotat | can i use a 16gb flash drive with a 770, how about a usb sound card |
| 01:53.07 | l7 | usb sound card?? |
| 01:53.25 | SmackPotat | ya a $5 one |
| 01:53.47 | SmackPotat | for imputing from a fm radio |
| 01:54.27 | l7 | by attaching it through a usb hub i guess? |
| 01:54.38 | SmackPotat | i got host mode a female femal plug and a hub |
| 01:54.45 | l7 | i don't think i've ever considered such a thing |
| 01:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | SmackPotat, if you have drivers for it. . . . |
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| 01:56.02 | SmackPotat | how does that work i should load the modules from /mt/infs/lib/modules/current |
| 01:56.08 | SmackPotat | ? |
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| 01:56.35 | l7 | it probably depends on the specs of the sound card |
| 01:57.11 | l7 | it seems unlikely to be that maemo would include many extra drivers, though maybe the deblet would |
| 01:57.11 | SmackPotat | ok |
| 01:57.55 | SmackPotat | ya the files are there but it says file exists(-1) when i try to insmode |
| 01:58.14 | l7 | man, i have a slight ear ache after putting my ears up those chargers |
| 01:58.18 | SmackPotat | could they just be placeholders |
| 01:58.26 | SmackPotat | lol |
| 02:03.13 | l7 | messing with kernel modules is a bit beyond me |
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| 02:05.24 | SmackPotat | me too |
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| 02:08.05 | l7 | hrm, i wish the printable version of the wiki pages would be a bit more streamlined |
| 02:08.44 | l7 | dropping the ToC would help a lot |
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| 02:47.50 | disco_stu | jjo: arcitelan ? |
| 02:48.35 | disco_stu | guess not |
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| 03:24.21 | Jsn0327 | has a2dp been implemented on the n810 yet? |
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| 03:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | Does somebody unfamiliar with the maemo.org development process want to look at this and tell me whether it actually informs you about the process? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints |
| 03:53.21 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i read the doc |
| 03:53.35 | disco_stu | but as im very familiar with scrum |
| 03:53.47 | disco_stu | sounds good |
| 03:54.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm digging up some non-scrum-familiar friends to read through it and tell me whether it help.s |
| 03:54.30 | disco_stu | right |
| 03:55.16 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't expect them to suddenly become experts from it |
| 03:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | The bugzilla stuff is probably a bit heavy for newbies |
| 03:55.27 | disco_stu | of course |
| 03:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | but it's not really critical to understanding the overall process. |
| 03:56.23 | GeneralAntilles | This might be a useful link, actually. |
| 03:56.24 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2.18/html/bug_page.html |
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| 05:18.00 | Luria | is it just me or has maemo slowed down since diablo? |
| 05:19.00 | Luria | im going to reflash later tonight, but i haven't really done much to my IT. |
| 05:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | It's just you |
| 05:19.24 | GeneralAntilles | There've been significant optimizations throughout the whole system over the past few months. |
| 05:20.03 | Luria | idk, the memory footprint grows and grows. |
| 05:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | Usually an install doesn't get faster as time progresses and you install more and more stuff. |
| 05:22.17 | Luria | its not like i'm running apache. i haven't added any daemons. well, hopefull the reflash helps. |
| 05:22.31 | zakkm | :) |
| 05:22.57 | Luria | sigh, cant wait for my pandora. |
| 05:23.19 | zakkm | pandora ? |
| 05:23.29 | Luria | still, i like my n810 so much. |
| 05:23.38 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, and the gpx menu launcher? :P |
| 05:23.56 | Luria | zakkm: #openpandora |
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| 05:24.14 | Luria | well, itll be fast :-) |
| 05:24.30 | zakkm | 430-MHz TMS320C64x+⢠DSP Core |
| 05:24.51 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, fast doesn't mean much without software to go with it. ;) |
| 05:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, look up the OMAP3530 |
| 05:25.15 | Luria | thats the dsp, not the cpu |
| 05:25.25 | zakkm | oh right |
| 05:25.28 | zakkm | 600mhz ;p |
| 05:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, hopefully there'll be enough progress with Maemo Reconstructed to get it running on the Pandora by the time it ships, though. |
| 05:25.39 | Luria | very similar to the beagle board |
| 05:25.42 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 is terrifying |
| 05:25.46 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, same SoC |
| 05:26.00 | zakkm | how much is the pandora? |
| 05:26.07 | GeneralAntilles | $379 or so |
| 05:26.08 | GeneralAntilles | USD |
| 05:26.11 | zakkm | oh expensive |
| 05:26.17 | GeneralAntilles | But there wont be anymore available until the Spring |
| 05:26.24 | Luria | $365 shipped |
| 05:26.34 | zakkm | maemo reconstruct working well? |
| 05:26.38 | Luria | also, 256mb ram |
| 05:26.39 | zakkm | is it worth trying on my nokia ? |
| 05:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's also the ugliest piece of hardware you've ever seen. |
| 05:26.57 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's not quite usable yet |
| 05:26.59 | zakkm | yeah it does look bad |
| 05:27.08 | GeneralAntilles | It really wont offer you any advantages over regular old Maemo at this point. |
| 05:27.11 | zakkm | it looks like its suppose to be a gaming system |
| 05:27.20 | zakkm | what about speed improvements? |
| 05:27.20 | Luria | that depends. |
| 05:27.23 | zakkm | lower memory usage? |
| 05:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, probably more at the moment. |
| 05:27.56 | zakkm | oh |
| 05:29.11 | zakkm | would be nice to have gnome and stuff ;p |
| 05:29.35 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, be warned, the kernel still isn't quite up to speed for OMAP3 |
| 05:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | So unless OpenPandora has a shitload of patches waiting in the wings, be prepared to play with your kernel. |
| 05:30.10 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, GNOME sucks on a 4" screen |
| 05:30.16 | zakkm | yeah lol |
| 05:30.26 | zakkm | i was thinking more resolution than screensize |
| 05:30.39 | GeneralAntilles | You'll have to hit insanely small targets with the stylus. |
| 05:30.40 | zakkm | im a gnome fan for desktop usage |
| 05:31.02 | Luria | wonders how quickly the maemo flash9 is going to get "borrowed" for pandora |
| 05:31.07 | Luria | hulu on the go would be nice. |
| 05:31.07 | Luria | i wish nokia would give us an omap3 IT already |
| 05:31.13 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, I give it about a day. |
| 05:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised it hasn't already, actually. |
| 05:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, well, OMAP3 has only just hit production silicon this month. . . . |
| 05:32.10 | zakkm | why the rush |
| 05:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | Rush for? |
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| 05:33.40 | zakkm | a OMAP3 IT |
| 05:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | Because OMAP3 is batshit insane. |
| 05:33.58 | zakkm | speed? |
| 05:33.59 | GeneralAntilles | Easily 2-3x the performance of OMAP2 |
| 05:34.07 | l7 | how long should it take to complete https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card ? |
| 05:34.17 | zakkm | 20min? |
| 05:34.27 | l7 | i guess i can stay awake that long |
| 05:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | l7, copying over the data is probably the longest part |
| 05:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | about 10 minutes for that |
| 05:34.44 | l7 | for the awesomeness of SD booting |
| 05:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | 720p decoding whereas we can't even manage manage DVD quality with OMAP2 |
| 05:34.45 | Luria | the performance and battery life is outstanding |
| 05:34.45 | Luria | needs to get a beagleboard to tinker |
| 05:35.03 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: ah cool |
| 05:35.07 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: I do 350mb xvid's just fine though |
| 05:35.07 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, also, a lot of us have been using OMAP2 tablets since January 2007 |
| 05:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | It's getting a little long in the tooth. |
| 05:35.15 | zakkm | its not dvd quality but yeah |
| 05:35.19 | zakkm | ah |
| 05:35.24 | qole | suggests a pandora |
| 05:35.33 | zakkm | things are getting faster though ;p |
| 05:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, sure, I watch movies and TV shows on my N800 all the time |
| 05:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | But the quality could be better. |
| 05:35.42 | zakkm | i see alot of "newest SSU is faster" on the forums |
| 05:35.43 | l7 | i feel it would be useful to have a backup of a vanllia install before i go messing it up by filling it up from extras |
| 05:35.55 | zakkm | but 720p is huge filesize for one |
| 05:36.03 | zakkm | it takes alot of storage space |
| 05:36.21 | Luria | yeah, im on my third tablet.. and it doesnt feel much different from the 770 |
| 05:36.25 | zakkm | l7: the install-tools deb is nice :P i used that for cloning |
| 05:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, sure, and the screen can't even display most of a 720p image |
| 05:36.39 | GeneralAntilles | The point is mostly to illustrate exactly how insanely powerful the OMAP3 is. |
| 05:36.41 | zakkm | that too ;p |
| 05:36.47 | Luria | since the tablet is all interface and not crunching |
| 05:36.48 | zakkm | its only 800x480 .. bitrate could be higher though i guess |
| 05:36.57 | Luria | feel is important |
| 05:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, actually, OMAP3 has a higher ceiling for power usage. |
| 05:37.01 | zakkm | also cpu load.. |
| 05:37.18 | zakkm | it takes alot of cpu load to do 720p.. battery life will die |
| 05:37.18 | zakkm | ;p |
| 05:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's just that it can totally switch the CPU off while idle instead of practically switching it off. ;) |
| 05:37.59 | Luria | yeah, looking forward to a hundred hour mp3 player |
| 05:38.18 | l7 | zakkm: there's no deb mentioned in https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card do you mean Deblet? |
| 05:38.20 | GeneralAntilles | The fscking massive battery on the Pandora helps, too. |
| 05:38.25 | zakkm | no |
| 05:38.30 | zakkm | install-deb or install-tools |
| 05:38.31 | zakkm | onesec l7 |
| 05:38.32 | Luria | yes :-) |
| 05:38.44 | l7 | oh, so there's another way to do this |
| 05:38.50 | zakkm | http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=12 |
| 05:39.00 | zakkm | you just install deb.. in maemo ;p and then it does everything for you |
| 05:39.04 | zakkm | copying and stuff, bootloader ;p; |
| 05:39.12 | zakkm | okay so its lazy but yes :) |
| 05:39.12 | Luria | i've been looking for the modern equivalent to a hp200lx for a long time |
| 05:39.31 | zakkm | l7: read that page :P |
| 05:39.43 | Luria | i have hope for pandora |
| 05:39.54 | zakkm | n810 looks alot nicer than the pandora :P |
| 05:40.01 | l7 | zakkm: oh this is the weird one that varies your swap size according to SD card dize |
| 05:40.05 | l7 | size |
| 05:40.12 | Luria | (not as a pda, but a long life computer in clamshell) |
| 05:40.24 | zakkm | l7: you know how to shrink swap partition dont you? :P |
| 05:40.25 | qole | I'm excited to see the real world reviews of the Pandora. |
| 05:40.31 | l7 | still, it sounds neat if it doesn't require any work aside from opening the deb |
| 05:40.32 | zakkm | or even delete and raise the other |
| 05:40.44 | zakkm | it works though and doesnt brick ;p |
| 05:40.47 | l7 | zakkm: not really |
| 05:40.55 | zakkm | 2gb only made 128mb swap ;p |
| 05:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | qole, I'm exciting to see Karel lose it when he finds out exactly the kind and quality of software he's going to get out of the box. |
| 05:41.13 | zakkm | oh i have 4gb card.. so 256mb swap ;p |
| 05:41.15 | l7 | zakkm: oh i mean i guess you can change partition size after it's done |
| 05:41.20 | qole | haha...true |
| 05:41.28 | zakkm | it works though, so whatever :P |
| 05:41.32 | zakkm | its not like swap gets wasted |
| 05:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | More than 128MB of swap is likely to actually reduce performance |
| 05:41.37 | Luria | im ok with an ncurses ui :-) |
| 05:41.40 | qole | all hacker-quality stuff |
| 05:41.42 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure why penguinbait thought more swap was a good idea. |
| 05:41.45 | zakkm | whats the swapiness at? |
| 05:41.48 | zakkm | in maemo? |
| 05:42.05 | zakkm | vm.swapiness |
| 05:42.24 | Luria | hows deblet coming along? |
| 05:42.39 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, 0 |
| 05:42.49 | l7 | zakkm: is the source for that deb available? |
| 05:42.49 | qole | I don't know anything about Angstrom, I should read up on it |
| 05:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | qole, he's got it good with all of Maemo's UI to bitch about |
| 05:43.02 | zakkm | l7: no idea, i just saw the blog post and installed ;p |
| 05:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | He's gonna get this out of the box with the Pandora: http://archive.gp2x.de/cfiles/screenshots/gmenu2x.png |
| 05:43.06 | l7 | heh |
| 05:43.38 | l7 | man, i hate it when my browser tries to display a deb file |
| 05:43.40 | Luria | i love how ubuntu dropped power and picked up arm |
| 05:43.51 | Luria | that was very apple of them. |
| 05:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, well, if you look at the numbers. ;) |
| 05:44.13 | zakkm | dropped powerpc? |
| 05:44.14 | Luria | s/power/ppc |
| 05:44.17 | zakkm | oh |
| 05:44.25 | zakkm | was wondering what power was ;p |
| 05:44.25 | GeneralAntilles | ARM _is_ the most popular architecture on the planet |
| 05:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | By several orders of magnitude. |
| 05:44.32 | Luria | yes, power pc, not power |
| 05:44.40 | zakkm | no way.. xbox's use ppc :) |
| 05:44.50 | zakkm | know how many people have one :D |
| 05:44.52 | l7 | hrm, didn't know that |
| 05:45.06 | GeneralAntilles | l7, all current consoles are PPC, interestingly. |
| 05:45.06 | qole | GeneralAntilles, are you serious about that menu? |
| 05:45.13 | GeneralAntilles | qole, yeah. |
| 05:45.22 | GeneralAntilles | They probably have SOME improvements in store for the Pandora release |
| 05:45.28 | qole | just...wow |
| 05:45.29 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: oh yeah, now i remember that the Gamecube was PPC |
| 05:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | but that's what it looked like on the GP32x |
| 05:45.45 | zakkm | the xbox 360 is a tricore powerpc .. |
| 05:45.46 | GeneralAntilles | l7, as is the Wii. |
| 05:46.07 | zakkm | powerpc as a desktop is dead, not the architecture though ;p |
| 05:46.08 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's not nearly as powerful as it sounds |
| 05:46.16 | l7 | i'm so out of it, i haven't played with any of the shiny new consoles |
| 05:46.18 | zakkm | i know |
| 05:46.22 | zakkm | but its still popular :P |
| 05:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | very little cache, only one process per core |
| 05:46.30 | zakkm | made it sound like ppc was dead |
| 05:46.32 | zakkm | :P |
| 05:46.39 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, console sales don't even come close to ARM sales. |
| 05:46.42 | Luria | im thinking of buying an old POWER4 box for shits und giggles |
| 05:46.48 | l7 | why do they use PPC on consoles anyway? |
| 05:46.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's a fairly elegant architecture. |
| 05:47.03 | l7 | is it that much faster for gaming? |
| 05:47.06 | zakkm | yeah but someone was like apple dropped powerpc, now ubuntu did.. made it seem like it was going dead ;p |
| 05:47.17 | zakkm | its probably stable ;p |
| 05:47.33 | GeneralAntilles | l7, consoles have the advantage of not having to worry about legacy compatibility. |
| 05:47.36 | Luria | thats not what said |
| 05:47.48 | Luria | damn n810 keyboard |
| 05:47.48 | zakkm | hard to emulate :) |
| 05:47.53 | zakkm | lol |
| 05:48.03 | zakkm | :D |
| 05:48.07 | l7 | hmm |
| 05:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | The computing world would totally not be using x86 if Intel didn't have so much money behind it and there weren't 30 years of legacy behind it. |
| 05:48.30 | zakkm | x86_64! :D |
| 05:48.31 | l7 | that reminds me, the original xbox was x86 based |
| 05:48.50 | l7 | i think it was related to the fact that MS wanted to throw something together quickly |
| 05:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | It was basically an off-the-shelf Celeron box. |
| 05:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 05:49.03 | Luria | its not intel's fault |
| 05:49.06 | zakkm | wait, its x86? |
| 05:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | They also lost shitloads of money on it. ;) |
| 05:49.12 | zakkm | wouldnt that make a ncie x86 server then? |
| 05:49.15 | l7 | heh |
| 05:49.21 | Luria | they've tried killing x86 twice |
| 05:49.33 | Luria | and boy did it cost 'em |
| 05:49.33 | l7 | that's why so many people like to hack the xbox i guess |
| 05:49.58 | l7 | kinda wish i bought one for media center use now |
| 05:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | l7, ebay! |
| 05:50.12 | l7 | heh |
| 05:50.13 | GeneralAntilles | They're super cheap these days. |
| 05:50.22 | zakkm | ebay.... |
| 05:50.25 | zakkm | junk yards :D |
| 05:50.26 | GeneralAntilles | You can probably get in for about $100-$150 with software hacks. |
| 05:50.33 | Luria | ebay ftw |
| 05:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | and they're fantastic media centers |
| 05:50.34 | l7 | that's not bad |
| 05:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | 'course, for that price you should be a real Linux hacker and get a Beagle Board. ;) |
| 05:50.58 | l7 | maybe upgrade the hard drive and it the other parts should last a long time |
| 05:51.08 | Luria | i got a as/400 for fun... $95 shipped |
| 05:51.19 | l7 | ah, Beagle Boards are probably too technical and time consuming for me |
| 05:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's a project |
| 05:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | The Xbox has fairly mature software and tools. |
| 05:51.43 | zakkm | beagle board is that really small arm motherboard right? |
| 05:51.50 | l7 | n800's and my linux box are enough project for me right now :) |
| 05:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | Weekend thing as opposed to every weekend until the Beagle goes up in smoke. ;) |
| 05:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's a Pandora without the case. |
| 05:52.51 | zakkm | wow its late here ( 12:52AM ) |
| 05:52.54 | l7 | it's a little ironic how microsoft invented such a nice open source platform |
| 05:53.23 | l7 | i think cory doctorow called it taking advantage of some else's failed business model to make a cool project |
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| 06:43.10 | RST38h | ~seen handful |
| 06:43.13 | infobot | handful <n=marceloe@200.184.118.132> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 46d 10h 13m 36s ago, saying: 'RST38h: hail! :)'. |
| 06:43.20 | RST38h | heh |
| 06:43.27 | RST38h | ~seen etrunko |
| 06:43.28 | infobot | etrunko <n=edulima@200.184.118.132> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14d 11h 7m 9s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 06:43.28 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, #canola is usually a good bet |
| 06:43.32 | RST38h | ah |
| 06:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | Or email. . . . |
| 06:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | But it's 4 in the morning there. |
| 06:44.00 | RST38h | Too bad...Oh well, will come a bit later |
| 06:44.17 | RST38h | 'cause I found why Carman installation failed and it is not pretty |
| 06:45.21 | RST38h | when ~MyDocs is symlinked, Carman scripts can't install directories in it |
| 06:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a Nokia bug. :P |
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| 06:48.28 | RST38h | well, if you consider these guys working on Canola/Carman as nokians... =) |
| 06:48.53 | RST38h | Sorry, I used a wrong word - not install, MAKE directories |
| 06:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | Symlinking MyDocs is just a nasty plan all around. |
| 06:50.08 | RST38h | well, there are no alternatives that I know of |
| 06:50.14 | GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd |
| 06:50.14 | infobot | well, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 06:50.27 | RST38h | No, thanks, as it is way more invasive |
| 06:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't break things |
| 06:50.54 | RST38h | until you do an update |
| 06:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | It speeds things up, gives you a bootable backup, and also increases application install space. |
| 06:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, just reflash the initfs |
| 06:51.12 | GeneralAntilles | Takes 5 minutes. |
| 06:51.18 | RST38h | although yes, it does inscrease app install space |
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| 06:52.24 | RST38h | Anyways, I do not think failure to mkdir stuff in symlinked MyDocs is a system level problem. It is probably some minor glitch in the Carman postinst script |
| 06:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, my point was that it's the same bug that Nokia had with the preinstalled documentation postinst that messed up the last round of SSU updates. |
| 06:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not that it was a platform issue. |
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| 06:59.28 | hahlobit | when you pull something with wget, filemanager doesn't seem to find it? |
| 06:59.38 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on where you pull it to. . . . |
| 07:00.10 | hahlobit | just opening terminal |
| 07:00.29 | hahlobit | like every other linux |
| 07:01.37 | RST38h | General: Weirdly, the last SSU worked for me |
| 07:01.51 | hahlobit | had to cp it to some Mydocs before it findw |
| 07:02.01 | hahlobit | finds it |
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| 07:06.26 | hahlobit | is there any better filemagers for os2008? |
| 07:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | emelfm2 |
| 07:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | xterm |
| 07:07.28 | l7 | anyone tried kingston vs transcend microsd cards on their tablets yet? |
| 07:08.01 | l7 | there's a bunch of 4gb microsd cards for 9 or 10 bucks on newegg |
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| 07:10.35 | l7 | "The thing almost melted in my PC it got so hot. I was using the micro adapter and inserted it into the side of my computer's SD reader when I noticed it wasn't recognizing with Windows. When I tried to take it back out of the PC it nearly seared my fingertips. It also wouldn't work with my new Windows Mobile 6.1 phone." |
| 07:10.48 | l7 | scary to imagine this one melting down in a tablet |
| 07:16.06 | hahlobit | emelfm2 seems better thanks |
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| 07:45.40 | zetheroo1 | is there any user-friendly documentation available for getting Maemo Mapper and flite to work together? |
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| 08:17.53 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24606 <- i'm not sure if the second post is spam or an awesome reply :P |
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| 08:32.44 | johnx | Stskeeps, I think it's spam but somehow it's still awesome |
| 08:34.54 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:37.23 | Stskeeps | got a mojo bootstrapped on the beagleboard yesterday |
| 08:37.46 | GeneralAntilles | Oh good lord |
| 08:37.56 | GeneralAntilles | I've got 4 wiki edits queued and the damn server goes down. |
| 08:38.00 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 08:38.08 | Stskeeps | i plan to do a simple solution with a irc bot responding to some commands to grab bzr/svn and compile it, johnx |
| 08:38.29 | Stskeeps | and then have different targets such as x86/armv5el-mojo/armv5el-vfp-mojo, and so on |
| 08:38.35 | Stskeeps | in different chroots with diff parameters |
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| 08:45.07 | Stskeeps | so we'll have a service set up that'll build the various versions for all targets :P |
| 08:45.22 | hahlobit | about using xterm as a file manager, how to send somefile with bluetooth to somedevice? |
| 08:46.09 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: What wiki down? |
| 08:46.17 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo, it's back up. |
| 08:46.40 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: This just proves I am slow :-) |
| 08:54.17 | hahlobit | what about man pages, haven't found them yet? |
| 08:54.24 | GeneralAntilles | Purged |
| 08:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | They're mostly available on maemo.org |
| 08:54.31 | GeneralAntilles | ~manpages |
| 08:54.32 | infobot | You can find manpages online at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi . You can find here manpages appropriate for your unix or Linux distribution |
| 08:54.36 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-man |
| 08:54.36 | infobot | from memory, maemo-man is http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/ |
| 08:56.51 | hahlobit | ok used to use them in every other unix |
| 08:57.03 | GeneralAntilles | Remember, we're limited on storage space |
| 08:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | Having 20MB of manpages isn't exactly ideal. :) |
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| 08:58.25 | hahlobit | true |
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| 09:00.22 | hahlobit | apps just keep telling rtfm :) don't run as root just make it suid so we can drop priviledges, please read man page! |
| 09:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | Karma still stuck. . . . |
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| 09:08.12 | johnx | Stskeeps, we can also add hooks to bzr I think |
| 09:08.17 | johnx | build on upload or somesuch |
| 09:08.28 | johnx | s/upload/commit/ |
| 09:08.29 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nah, there is just this code: if (user->username == 'generalantilles') die(); |
| 09:09.17 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I don't blame you, gotta keep the status quo intact. :D |
| 09:10.02 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It still takes at least a day to be sure that the problem isn't fixed by the upgrade. |
| 09:10.50 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, if it keeps up I'm gonna have to put together one of these https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Bugzilla_report_card that'll read "X-Fade's report card" and fail you in a bunch of made up subjects for a bunch of arbitrary and trivial reasons. :P |
| 09:11.15 | X-Fade | Heh.. |
| 09:13.21 | GeneralAntilles | Knitting - he hasn't made maemo.org sweaters as tribute to the Council yet - F- |
| 09:13.33 | johnx | non-zero number of dashes in user name |
| 09:13.55 | Myrtti | knitting? what where? |
| 09:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | ~nickometer X-Fade |
| 09:14.29 | Myrtti | if someone makes a knitting pattern software for maemo that saves the patterns in KnitML, I'll make mittens for him/her. |
| 09:14.37 | GeneralAntilles | Nick isn't lame enough - F- |
| 09:14.46 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Not too bad ;) |
| 09:14.50 | Myrtti | the touch screen in maemo and the usecases would be excellent. |
| 09:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | My sister has a sewing machine that hooks up to a Gameboy for patterns. |
| 09:15.25 | Myrtti | possibly also bake a selection of seven Finnish traditional cookies and send over courier mail |
| 09:15.42 | Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: DS or older? |
| 09:15.55 | GeneralAntilles | The original Advance, I think. |
| 09:15.55 | Myrtti | (please, DS, I have one) |
| 09:15.58 | Myrtti | damnit |
| 09:16.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: also a possibility i guess |
| 09:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://pocketgaming.blogspot.com/2007/07/singer-izek-gameboy-controlled-sewing.html |
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| 09:16.56 | Myrtti | again. The touch screen with stylus would make maemo tablets / Nintendo DS a perfect thing for knitting patterns |
| 09:17.18 | Myrtti | I guess I'll have to start lobbing that idea again for the applicants of Finnish Summercode |
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| 09:17.44 | johnx | i've set it up before with svn |
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| 09:23.24 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, but bzr is a bit different creature:) |
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| 09:24.04 | johnx | I gathered that. it has to have commit hooks though, right |
| 09:24.26 | Stskeeps | not sure really, but haven't looked that close |
| 09:26.02 | Stskeeps | ok, im off to the bus |
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| 09:27.18 | Meiz_n810 | Offical ubuntu midori port seems to work better than mojos one.. Newer version.. |
| 09:28.51 | Meiz_n810 | they will soon compile kernel for omap2 |
| 09:31.14 | johnx | well that's really fast turnaround time after their announcement |
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| 10:09.49 | Guest2113_541 | hi |
| 10:10.01 | Guest2113_541 | how to get targus mouse to work? |
| 10:10.48 | Guest2113_541 | i get it work but in some reasons its works too slooooooow |
| 10:11.01 | Guest2113_541 | its normal? 0_0 |
| 10:11.24 | Guest2113_541 | hello? any buddy? |
| 10:11.59 | Guest2113_541 | \quit |
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| 10:30.50 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how do you mean "work better"? |
| 10:32.18 | Meiz_n810 | settings dialog works in hildon, and it actually works, mojos midori stalled when i tried last time |
| 10:36.25 | Stskeeps | settings panel work with M-R packages or? |
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| 10:48.30 | johnx | Meiz_n810, set priority in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 10:50.33 | Meiz_n810 | thanks |
| 10:51.03 | johnx | there should be an example already :) in fact your probably just want to reverse the current priorities |
| 10:52.26 | Myrtti | O NOES! my long thumb fingernail I've used as a stylus chipped! how can I live now?! oh wait. nvm. |
| 10:52.42 | johnx | start using more thumb friendly software :) |
| 10:52.56 | towo | Oh noes, a Myrtti here. |
| 10:53.02 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:53.10 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: glue on a stylus tip |
| 10:53.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:53.30 | Myrtti | how can I irc now with no long thumbnails in either of the hands |
| 10:53.33 | Myrtti | eep. |
| 10:53.43 | Myrtti | huggles towo |
| 10:54.01 | towo | Myrtti: Use a bluetooth keyboard. |
| 10:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Same way I IRC. . . . |
| 10:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | With the finger keyboard |
| 10:54.27 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Havaplayer is incoming. |
| 10:54.32 | Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: it's unintuitive for me... I've tried, several times |
| 10:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, is it really? |
| 10:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | I harassed their support again yesterday |
| 10:54.49 | GeneralAntilles | Fast turnaround |
| 10:55.06 | Myrtti | with irssi and lots of channels it's really cumbersome |
| 10:55.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, I just sent out the invitation after I got a request. |
| 10:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think the first request actually went anywhere productive. |
| 10:55.54 | GeneralAntilles | Same thing seemed to happen when I tried going through Boingo's public support channel. |
| 10:56.05 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: karel : "Angstroem on NAND and Ubuntu for download on SD. VLC Player likely to be preinstalled. Applications available as self-contained ZIP archives. There is now talk of OpenPandora becoming an Ubuntu Partner." |
| 10:56.12 | Stskeeps | how is this any different than maemo? :P |
| 10:56.21 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, he lives in a delusional world. |
| 10:56.38 | Stskeeps | Maemo on NAND, ubuntu for download on SD, VLC able to be installed, applications as debs, .. |
| 10:57.25 | johnx | maemo on pandora is like the best of all possible worlds |
| 10:57.51 | johnx | in terms of potential software environments for the pandora |
| 10:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | Good lord . . . I believe Netflix on Xbox may very well end me. |
| 10:59.04 | johnx | because of it not working or because of it working? |
| 10:59.18 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's like regular Netflix but without the mailman delay. <_< |
| 10:59.57 | X-Fade | wonders if he should approve a project on garage named 'wtf'. |
| 11:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, what's the description? :D |
| 11:00.21 | X-Fade | he Comicviewer (which is, due to a lack of a better name, named wtf) is/will be a small application to view Comic Book Archives in standard .cbr and .cbz container files, optimized for maemo devices. |
| 11:00.23 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, it works great, actually. |
| 11:00.30 | RST38h | johnx: Blasphemy! |
| 11:00.44 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is the latest mer-installer in svn? |
| 11:00.45 | RST38h | johnx: Karel will murder you with an ice pick |
| 11:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | A rusty ice pick |
| 11:01.08 | RST38h | General: That depends on how often he uses his |
| 11:01.20 | johnx | RST38h, heh. just wait, I intend to try and get everyone behind it as the primary development platform too :) |
| 11:01.27 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, probably often, and it's probably not cleaned between uses. |
| 11:01.30 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: think so |
| 11:01.31 | X-Fade | So the description isn't offensive :) |
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| 11:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, maybe an intermediate email telling him he can't change it later would be appropriate. |
| 11:01.52 | RST38h | General: He licks it. |
| 11:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, I could care less if it were called "Fuck all tablets" |
| 11:02.22 | RST38h | johnx: I do suspect you mean the upper level and not the system level? |
| 11:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | But it just isn't a very inspired name. . . . |
| 11:02.59 | RST38h | Comic readers are hardly inspiring... |
| 11:03.01 | johnx | RST38h, right. think m-r :) |
| 11:03.13 | Stskeeps | mer ;) |
| 11:03.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you just haven't seen any good ones yet. :P |
| 11:03.23 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I like Mer. |
| 11:03.41 | RST38h | Never needed one, really... |
| 11:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe talking about Maemo Reconstructed -> m-r -> Mer to make the (well, a) connection for people. |
| 11:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, neither have I come to think of it. . . . |
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| 11:04.48 | RST38h | Golemaemo |
| 11:05.03 | johnx | RST38h, GeneralAntilles spend more time on trains and you'll want a comic reader :P |
| 11:05.29 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: MAemo Reconstructed => Maer => Mær => bitch, in danish |
| 11:05.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:05.30 | RST38h | johnx: I spend 3 hours a day in trains and buses |
| 11:05.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'd probably just stick to FBReader and/or 3G stuff like web and IRC. |
| 11:05.46 | johnx | what do you *do* in that time? O_o |
| 11:05.56 | RST38h | johnx: Just don't understand why a normal text-based book is not sufficient |
| 11:06.06 | RST38h | johnx: Books. Mail. Web. IRC =) |
| 11:06.42 | johnx | ah, those last 3 aren't an option without a reasonable data plan (or a lot more income :P ) |
| 11:06.46 | johnx | for me at least |
| 11:06.53 | RST38h | johnx: Remember, it is .RU |
| 11:07.12 | johnx | ok, you'll have to make a better sales pitch to get me to move though :P |
| 11:07.16 | RST38h | johnx: $.15/MB of GPRS traffic |
| 11:08.01 | RST38h | johnx: this is without any special data plan (but with heavy internet usage option added for ~$3/month) |
| 11:08.53 | RST38h | Rather slow though, given that my E70 has no EDGE and MTS has no 3G yet |
| 11:09.06 | johnx | next time I'm up to renew my phone contract I'll look again |
| 11:09.41 | johnx | for now I'm locked in to something with just IRDA or clunky USB for tethering |
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| 11:29.59 | hahlobit | how much that maemo-launcher should eat memory? mine takes 29% must be something wrong |
| 11:30.26 | johnx | sounds right |
| 11:30.39 | hahlobit | that much |
| 11:30.42 | johnx | a lot of stuff is actually running inside the maemo-launcher process |
| 11:30.51 | johnx | desktop applets, plugins, etc |
| 11:31.00 | johnx | also, remember that it's not really "29%" |
| 11:31.17 | johnx | a lot of that are shared libraries that other apps are using as well |
| 11:31.31 | hahlobit | ok thanks |
| 11:32.07 | hahlobit | i try to close it but bounced back on |
| 11:32.23 | johnx | if you actually stopped it your tablet would stop really working |
| 11:32.34 | johnx | until you rebooted of course |
| 11:33.06 | hahlobit | does deblet has it? |
| 11:33.23 | johnx | no actually |
| 11:33.52 | johnx | it's mainly used for saving memory if you're running hildon-desktop, but it's kind of a pain to make it work outside of maemo |
| 11:34.32 | hahlobit | you have more free memory on deblet then? |
| 11:34.44 | johnx | not really. no |
| 11:34.48 | X-Fade | johnx: I think it is more for speeding up application start. |
| 11:34.57 | johnx | but it depends on what desktop you're running |
| 11:35.04 | X-Fade | johnx: As you don't have to load all the libs anymore. |
| 11:35.49 | johnx | X-Fade, ah, ok. must have misremembered |
| 11:36.13 | hahlobit | can we add ram to tablets? |
| 11:36.18 | johnx | hahlobit, no |
| 11:36.28 | hahlobit | ok pity |
| 11:36.34 | johnx | back later |
| 11:39.22 | hahlobit | what about browserd does it have to run all the time? |
| 11:41.05 | GAN800 | Speeds up browser startup |
| 11:41.27 | GAN800 | and will eventually provide a browser engine for other applications |
| 11:41.43 | GAN800 | So will end up saving RAM in the long run |
| 11:42.09 | GAN800 | hahlobit, things are the way they are for a reason. :) |
| 11:42.33 | GAN800 | Nokia doesn'r just arbitrarily do things to waste RAM. |
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| 11:44.39 | hahlobit | GAN800: ok nokia is more ram friendly then |
| 11:45.07 | suihkulokki | maemo-launcher saves ram and start apps faster. however, as a consequence it makes it look like all the applications running are instances of maemo-launcher |
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| 11:48.16 | hahlobit | so one cannot tune tablets much better? |
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| 11:49.26 | GAN800 | Well, you could tune them for a different set of requirements |
| 11:49.51 | GAN800 | But Nokia has done a pretty good job of tuning for the 'mobile' use case. |
| 11:50.10 | hahlobit | ok |
| 11:51.02 | hahlobit | just use to speed up operating systems |
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| 11:52.53 | RST38h | hahlobit: What do you mean by tune? |
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| 12:03.33 | Guysoft42 | hey, if i want to develop for maemo, in linux. what toolkits do i need? |
| 12:03.43 | RST38h | Maemo SDK |
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| 12:20.51 | Guysoft42 | RST38h, where can i get the sdk? |
| 12:22.32 | disco_stu | ~sdk |
| 12:22.33 | infobot | Software Development Kit |
| 12:22.54 | disco_stu | ~scratchbox |
| 12:22.55 | infobot | scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 12:23.22 | zetheroo1 | is there any user-friendly documentation available for getting Maemo Mapper and flite to work together? |
| 12:23.23 | johnx | errr...not really though |
| 12:24.18 | disco_stu | it should work with both installed |
| 12:24.18 | johnx | maemo sdk is here: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ |
| 12:24.29 | johnx | ~maemo-sdk |
| 12:24.29 | infobot | hmm... maemo-sdk is the development environment for the Nokia Internet Tablets, found here: http://maemo.org/development/ |
| 12:24.37 | johnx | well, and there |
| 12:25.12 | zetheroo1 | disco_stu : got both installed on my N800 and N810 ... and it does not work on either one |
| 12:26.40 | disco_stu | in maemo-mapper configuration you have to enable flite |
| 12:27.03 | zetheroo1 | disco_stu: yep, done that as well in both machines |
| 12:27.16 | zetheroo1 | and in both machines flite works in the Terminal |
| 12:29.24 | zetheroo1 | I also started a thread in the Maemo Mapper site ... but nobody is answering there either ... :( |
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| 12:30.06 | disco_stu | well.. i cant help you further |
| 12:30.34 | zetheroo1 | disco_stu: have you actually got it working yourself? |
| 12:31.41 | disco_stu | no.. no gps |
| 12:31.54 | Guysoft42 | oh , another silly question - is there a way to left click in places lice vnc? |
| 12:32.12 | disco_stu | i dont use mapper that much |
| 12:35.00 | zetheroo1 | disco_stu: ok ... |
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| 13:32.20 | Stskeeps | lo meiz |
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| 13:33.37 | Meizirkki | hi |
| 13:33.54 | Meizirkki | just installed mer and x wont start |
| 13:34.16 | Meizirkki | wait, i'll give you pastebin |
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| 13:34.37 | Meizirkki | http://pastebin.com/d43f7add4 |
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| 13:35.50 | Stskeeps | ln -s /dev/fb /dev/fb0 :P |
| 13:36.03 | Meizirkki | :) |
| 13:36.11 | Meizirkki | i forgot this time |
| 13:36.22 | Stskeeps | is setting up a build beagleboard |
| 13:36.49 | Stskeeps | (http://beagleboard.org/) |
| 13:37.07 | johnx | other way around though: ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb :) |
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| 13:37.17 | Meizirkki | =P |
| 13:37.20 | Stskeeps | ah, yeah |
| 13:37.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:37.30 | johnx | Stskeeps, awesome! so awesome. :D (re: the beagleboard) |
| 13:38.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: we can just switch DEFAULT_DEVICE in omapfb btw :P |
| 13:38.50 | Stskeeps | it's a #define |
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| 13:39.10 | Stskeeps | and establish some kind of branch of the git tree of the driver |
| 13:40.25 | suihkulokki | or you could fix udev =) |
| 13:40.32 | aquatix | ooh, maemo.org is a lot faster! |
| 13:40.52 | aquatix | any idea why the small thumbs in the software section consist of larger physical images though? |
| 13:41.03 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i've yet to see a /dev/fb, but that's just me not having enough fb devices :P |
| 13:41.32 | X-Fade | aquatix: Because we don't have smaller versions. |
| 13:41.33 | suihkulokki | it seems some other distros have it |
| 13:41.54 | aquatix | X-Fade: heh, fair enough :) |
| 13:42.04 | aquatix | just wondered, as it makes for longer loading times |
| 13:42.47 | X-Fade | aquatix: Yeah, we need to see if we can create the smaller sizes too. Although I'd wait until the new website design is more clear. |
| 13:43.05 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 13:43.08 | aquatix | sounds good |
| 13:43.24 | X-Fade | As maybe we won't need the small ones. Or anoter size. |
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| 13:44.07 | aquatix | yeah, i figure |
| 13:44.16 | aquatix | i just noticed and dumped it here |
| 13:44.25 | aquatix | but now i'm curious to the new design :) |
| 13:45.26 | X-Fade | aquatix: Well, we will have a separate webserver serving all static files soon. So they will even be served faster. |
| 13:45.55 | X-Fade | And you can still influence the new design as there is still a lot of discussion going on for that :) |
| 13:46.09 | aquatix | yay |
| 13:46.17 | aquatix | here or on a forum? |
| 13:46.28 | aquatix | votes for green on black ;) |
| 13:46.49 | Stskeeps | johnx: think i'm making several build types, distcc ones too, etc |
| 13:47.27 | Meizirkki | Hoe to save file in vi text editor? |
| 13:47.30 | Stskeeps | :wq |
| 13:47.55 | Veggen | or, omit the q if you want to continue editing. |
| 13:49.21 | X-Fade | aquatix: -community and https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org#Maemo.org_Homepage_refresh |
| 13:49.49 | X-Fade | aquatix: See also design drafts. |
| 13:50.01 | aquatix | check, thanks |
| 13:50.50 | aquatix | great drafts! |
| 13:51.19 | aquatix | rather likes http://samoff.maemobox.org/maemo_redesign/samoff-variation_of_HOME_03_MOD.png |
| 13:52.06 | aquatix | anyways, back to work |
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| 14:03.15 | Meiz_n810 | Offical arm-ubuntu team is close to get gnome-desktop working |
| 14:03.32 | Stskeeps | i guess i should follow #u-a too |
| 14:03.49 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 14:03.53 | ron1n | is a tablet distro in ubuntu's roadmap? |
| 14:04.16 | Stskeeps | no clue |
| 14:04.23 | Stskeeps | don't think so |
| 14:04.29 | ron1n | hmm |
| 14:04.30 | Stskeeps | i think maemo will accelerate past it before that really |
| 14:04.32 | johnx | for the nokia n8x0? I'd guess "no" but that's part of my pessimism talking |
| 14:04.43 | Stskeeps | or mer, depending on perspective |
| 14:04.52 | Meiz_n810 | they promised to build omap kernel... :) |
| 14:05.07 | ron1n | they do have a MID project, that with an arm port |
| 14:05.08 | johnx | a *lot* of things use OMAPs :P |
| 14:05.14 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, but useless for tablets probably :P |
| 14:05.21 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 14:05.23 | ron1n | and an omap kernel, this is looking nice and easy |
| 14:05.26 | Stskeeps | ron1n: yeah, but i doubt the power conservation is so good.. |
| 14:05.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:05.31 | ron1n | heh |
| 14:05.35 | ron1n | thats very true |
| 14:05.54 | johnx | eh, they'll have to rework power consumption stuff unless this "always-on" idea was just a fad |
| 14:06.09 | Stskeeps | always-on-when-battery-works |
| 14:06.18 | ron1n | er suspend to disk |
| 14:06.24 | johnx | I'm sure ARM isn't paying them to screw around |
| 14:06.24 | ron1n | i mean, we're talking flash here lol |
| 14:06.45 | Stskeeps | ron1n: life isn't always that easy :P |
| 14:06.52 | johnx | suspend to flash would be a lot slower than suspend to disk actually |
| 14:07.05 | Stskeeps | suspend to ram is better isnt it? |
| 14:07.16 | ron1n | johnx, suspending to a flash swapfile is slower than suspending to a spinning disk? |
| 14:07.19 | johnx | definitely, but it's still not the same as always on |
| 14:07.24 | ron1n | Stskeeps, its faster, but still requires power |
| 14:07.42 | johnx | ron1n, suspending to slow built in flash with a compressed filesystem is slower than suspending to a typical laptop drive |
| 14:07.50 | ron1n | I see |
| 14:07.58 | johnx | suspend to RAM is a fair trade off most of the time |
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| 14:08.36 | johnx | but it's not the same thing as being "always on, always connected" |
| 14:08.45 | ron1n | do we have suspend to ram support in deblet? |
| 14:09.06 | ccooke | johnx: I'd have agreed with that... until I tried the N810. |
| 14:09.27 | johnx | ccooke, hmm? |
| 14:10.06 | ron1n | "always on, always connected" is why I have a desktop =P, a tablet is simply an extension to that in my experience |
| 14:10.10 | Stskeeps | ron1n: we'll definately have it in Mer.. |
| 14:10.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:10.21 | ron1n | awesome =] |
| 14:10.34 | johnx | ron1n, you're not the tarket market then I bet :) |
| 14:10.39 | Stskeeps | ponders where he has enough space to store a repository for Mer |
| 14:10.39 | ccooke | johnx: "< johnx> suspend to RAM is a fair trade off most of the time" - the next line hadn't arrived here yet |
| 14:11.08 | johnx | it's a fair trade off, but it's not really optimal, I agree |
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| 14:31.16 | ron1n | has become quite reliant on suspend2 for quick book times on x86 |
| 14:31.22 | ron1n | boot* =P |
| 14:31.36 | johnx | I just leave all my stuff on |
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| 14:35.32 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Karma better now? |
| 14:37.03 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: so control panel worked without hitch in jaunty? that's weird |
| 14:38.07 | aquatix | should fix suspending etc on his debian laptop |
| 14:38.20 | aquatix | otoh, it boots quite quickly |
| 14:38.56 | johnx | heh...my only laptop is a P4 with ~10 minutes of battery life on a good day. all the rest of my mobile stuff is ARM :) |
| 14:38.56 | ron1n | johnx, not an option with my lust for old school tablets and gadgets on ebay =P |
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| 14:39.43 | aquatix | johnx: my laptop is constantly running from DC here |
| 14:39.49 | aquatix | as i'm at work anyway |
| 14:39.55 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps, i meant the midoris "Prefrences" window fits into screen (so it is possible to click Close. With mojos midori, i was unable to save settings) |
| 14:39.59 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:40.02 | johnx | hmm, I guess I do leave my zaurus in suspended to RAM most of the time |
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| 14:41.06 | johnx | i'm not making any progress on h-i-m. I'm giving it a break for a day and I'll try python-hildon instead |
| 14:41.10 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 14:41.24 | Stskeeps | i'm setting up repos and build box atm |
| 14:41.25 | johnx | if anyone else wants to step in I will *not* be offended :) |
| 14:41.38 | Stskeeps | as we'll be getting closer to a reset to get things right |
| 14:42.33 | johnx | hopefully for the most part we can just re-apply our own diffs to get moving |
| 14:42.37 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 14:43.13 | Stskeeps | and we'll triple build for all 4-5 targets, so |
| 14:43.34 | Stskeeps | so we easily can build images |
| 14:43.42 | johnx | mmm...images :) |
| 14:44.00 | johnx | mmm...someone else's machine doing the building :) |
| 14:44.04 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 14:54.25 | b1ackdeath | has any one had trouble install Debian chroot tubro on there internal flash? |
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| 15:02.08 | matrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.20 | matrx | misfire |
| 15:03.06 | aquatix | <- instahungry |
| 15:03.28 | johnx | misfiring t-bone? I hear it's a problem |
| 15:03.54 | aquatix | yeah, there was a recall |
| 15:04.07 | johnx | you just have to check the fuel mixture and spark timing |
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| 15:12.25 | matrx | i just did a reflash to the latest diablo, now i can't clock to 400mhz anymore even though it's listed as an available freq in sysfs, any insight? |
| 15:13.52 | mgedmin | do you have any mp3 playing? |
| 15:13.52 | X-Fade | matrx: Something using the dsp? |
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| 15:22.44 | lardman | ~lart Windows device drivers |
| 15:22.44 | infobot | shoots Windows device drivers in his sleep |
| 15:23.57 | matrx | hrmm... nothing should be playing when i try |
| 15:24.17 | matrx | i wonder if something has the device open |
| 15:24.36 | matrx | this didn't happen before the most recent diablo updates |
| 15:24.50 | lardman | matrx: which governor are you using? |
| 15:25.08 | matrx | tried them all |
| 15:25.25 | lardman | so on performance, for example, it's not at 400MHz? |
| 15:25.26 | matrx | i used to be able to use the default ondemand at set max_freq to 400000 |
| 15:25.40 | matrx | but performance is locked at 330000 max/min |
| 15:26.00 | lardman | interesting, does sound like dvfs lock caused by the dsp |
| 15:26.58 | lardman | run "dspdld -p" from the command line somewhere (in another window to your cpufreq stuff as it won't return) |
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| 15:28.14 | matrx | it killed off 3 pids, failed to open /lib/dsp/dsp_dld.conf, and returned |
| 15:28.27 | matrx | which i'm guessing isn't expected behavior |
| 15:28.56 | lardman | ah yeah, sorry you need to symlink from /lib/dsp/dsp_dldavs.conf to /lib/dsp/dsp_dld.conf |
| 15:29.10 | lardman | first name might be slightly wrong, can't remember off the top of my head |
| 15:29.19 | lardman | dsp_dld_avs.conf probably |
| 15:29.28 | matrx | but you're right, as whatever it killed seems to have resumed the clocking to 400mhz |
| 15:29.30 | lardman | then run dspdld -p again |
| 15:29.47 | lardman | well if you have the loader open you should be able to see what was is started running |
| 15:29.56 | lardman | then again perhaps some task just got stuck |
| 15:30.17 | qwerty12 | lardman, hi, does the sysfs patch to change op_mode on the fly work for you? I echoed 0 to op_active and pybattery still says it's running at 330. It's tempting to just edit n800-board-dvfs.c and recompile the kernel and be done with it. |
| 15:30.20 | lardman | with that symlink in place, issuing dspdld (no -p) will restart the dsp and reload the conf files, etc. |
| 15:31.07 | lardman | qwerty12: can't change op_mode directly I don't think, need to echo into some sysfs entry (something with dsp in the name) |
| 15:31.40 | qwerty12 | lardman, I'm talking about the patch that lets you do that :) |
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| 15:33.18 | lardman | echo 1 > /sys/power/op_dsp |
| 15:33.29 | lardman | echo 0 even |
| 15:34.00 | matrx | i don't see anything new opening on the dsp_dld session, but it seems to cleared whatever was pegging the scaler |
| 15:34.07 | qwerty12 | Thanks lardman |
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| 15:34.38 | lardman | matrx: yeah, fair enough, just make sure you re-reun dsp_dld when you quit out of the non-daemonised form |
| 15:34.44 | lardman | qwerty12: np |
| 15:35.11 | lardman | s/dspdld/dsp_dld for all of the above ;) |
| 15:36.01 | matrx | i figured :) |
| 15:36.10 | matrx | i'm going to reboot and see what happens |
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| 15:42.08 | X-Fade | Interesting: http://cia.vc/stats/project/maemo/.message/fb30e6 |
| 15:42.12 | matrx | lardman: should conf be symlinked by default? |
| 15:42.40 | matrx | having done that, the problem seems to have resolved itself on subsequent reboots |
| 15:43.27 | matrx | and strangley now 400mhz is the default max_freq for the ondemand gov |
| 15:48.43 | lardman | matrx: no, it needn't be symlinked, but if not you need to add another switch + the path to the conf file |
| 15:49.11 | lardman | matrx: this is handled correctly by the init scripts and dmse, just easier to symlink if you need to restart it often to avoid typing |
| 15:49.20 | lardman | s/dmse/dsme |
| 15:50.03 | matrx | so it's just chance that this reboot worked as expected? |
| 15:50.58 | lardman | well not chance, it's just the fact you restarted the DSP |
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| 15:51.13 | lardman | had you rebooted the entire machine before and it not fixed the issue> |
| 15:51.14 | lardman | ? |
| 15:51.29 | matrx | i had in fact |
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| 15:51.38 | matrx | it's actually why i reflashed diablo |
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| 15:51.56 | lardman | oh, wierd then |
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| 15:52.39 | lardman | well it may re-occur then, restarting the dsp is not something different to what happens when you restart the machine, and the symlink should make no odds whatsoever |
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| 16:00.53 | matrx | so oh well |
| 16:01.17 | lardman | might it have been something you installed? |
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| 16:07.30 | matrx | lardman- i'll just move on and pretend i was crazy unless it starts happening again |
| 16:07.56 | lardman | best plan :) |
| 16:07.59 | aquatix | that's not that hard anyway ;) |
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| 16:50.51 | mgedmin | "sapwood [...] may well be the most advanced Gtk pixmap engine right now" -- http://dborg.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/creating-themes/ |
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| 17:03.20 | lcuk | bangs head on desk multiple times |
| 17:03.55 | RST38h | reMoo |
| 17:04.16 | RST38h | supplies lcuk with a few silicate bricks |
| 17:04.38 | lcuk | prefers to nuzzle in silicone |
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| 17:06.55 | RST38h | lcuk: whazzup with liqbase btw? |
| 17:07.38 | johnx | mgedmin, nevermind the fact that it can be a huge PITA :/ |
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| 17:09.12 | lcuk | RST38h, what do you mean whazzup? |
| 17:11.41 | Stskeeps | plays with a builder script |
| 17:13.23 | RST38h | lcuk: any new features coming? release quality ui? icons? |
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| 17:14.49 | lcuk | talk soon |
| 17:16.10 | RST38h | evil, keeping everybody in suspense like that |
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| 17:22.08 | lcuk | RST38h, not evil, just have customer vnc session and ive booted everyone out of their database and i need to finish this first :P |
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| 17:22.48 | pupnik | hoohoo |
| 17:23.35 | RST38h | lcuk: drop *; commit4 done |
| 17:23.51 | RST38h | pupnik ehlo |
| 17:24.24 | pupnik | good day RST38h |
| 17:24.54 | pupnik | you're hanging out in #maemo a lot lately RST38h :) |
| 17:25.20 | pupnik | i'm using my dentist's internet atm... (heh) |
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| 17:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, pupnik. |
| 17:27.45 | RST38h | pupnik: my screen is |
| 17:28.15 | RST38h | lcuk: well at least they will finally haul him off and you wont hear the screams |
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| 17:31.46 | pupnik | hey |
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| 17:52.20 | mimshita | hello, i see to have a problem with gtkhtml, i can find the correct repos for that group of packages |
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| 17:57.07 | mimshita | can anyone help me, thanks |
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| 17:58.06 | johnx | I think it's installed on the tablet to start with. do you need the dev files for it? |
| 17:58.26 | johnx | s/dev files/headers/ |
| 17:59.16 | mimshita | i'm using the cross platform |
| 17:59.21 | mimshita | maemo armel |
| 17:59.36 | mimshita | to compile the source code first |
| 18:00.21 | johnx | well the packages are here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/g/gtkhtml/ |
| 18:00.48 | mimshita | but maybe i'm doing it wrong...this step should be on the tablet |
| 18:00.52 | mimshita | humm... |
| 18:01.14 | johnx | you compile in scratchbox, but I think it should already have gtkhtml installed |
| 18:02.51 | mimshita | i thought so too, but the reality is whrn compiling my application it gives an error because of the missing package |
| 18:03.07 | johnx | try this: apt-cache policy gtkhtml-dev |
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| 18:03.57 | johnx | does it say that gtkhtml-dev is installed? |
| 18:06.40 | mimshita | yes |
| 18:06.54 | mimshita | gtkhtml-dev: |
| 18:06.55 | mimshita | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.55 | johnx | then the problem is likely that your application isn't finding it correctly |
| 18:07.16 | mimshita | maybe it is trying for an older version... |
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| 18:08.22 | Khertan_n810 | Hello ! |
| 18:08.30 | johnx | hi Khertan_n810 |
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| 18:09.24 | Khertan_n810 | treeview and preferences gui are a real pain to do ! |
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| 18:10.37 | mimshita | this has been a real pain just from install |
| 18:11.09 | mimshita | i started to install maemo 4.1 then updated to 4.1.1 and always had lots of problems with the repos |
| 18:11.26 | johnx | well the problems with repos should be over |
| 18:11.35 | johnx | the servers were being shuffled around recently |
| 18:12.13 | mimshita | good:) |
| 18:12.59 | mimshita | can one of you tell me a url with a nice howto install maemo, I found an txt, that had all the steps |
| 18:13.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: now with hasty-armv5el{-vfp}, hasty-armv6-vfp, jaunty-armel, jaunty-i386 build rootstraps :P |
| 18:13.26 | mimshita | but i always have the feelling that not all was installed |
| 18:13.38 | johnx | mimshita, why do you think that? |
| 18:13.57 | johnx | Stskeeps, great. see the latest screenshot? |
| 18:14.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: nop? |
| 18:14.07 | johnx | it actually doesn't look b0rken :) |
| 18:14.19 | johnx | http://tinyurl.com/6nk2ow |
| 18:14.21 | Stskeeps | oh that's quite neat |
| 18:14.38 | Stskeeps | :) |
| 18:14.49 | johnx | that's the most important use of my tablet so it had to be first...now I just need to be able to enter text :) |
| 18:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh, nice, johnx. |
| 18:15.54 | mimshita | for example this, is is strange that the install file does not recognize or is able to find the lib on compilation, unless... |
| 18:15.56 | johnx | for most basic python apps it should really just be some dependency tweaking :) |
| 18:16.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: there's always the home-applets maybe |
| 18:16.13 | Stskeeps | home-ip etc |
| 18:16.16 | johnx | mimshita, that's a normal part of cross compiling I think |
| 18:16.21 | Stskeeps | they're python so |
| 18:16.27 | johnx | ah, I could do python-desktop next I guess |
| 18:16.28 | Khertan_n810 | homeip |
| 18:16.31 | Khertan_n810 | no - |
| 18:16.35 | mimshita | do you know the latest version of libgtkhtml? |
| 18:16.57 | mimshita | probably:), i'm kinda new to the process |
| 18:17.18 | Stskeeps | mimshita: libgtkhtml is a bit special on tablet |
| 18:18.08 | Khertan_n810 | if special == slow: |
| 18:18.12 | Khertan_n810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.54 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: what that's screenshots ? |
| 18:19.12 | johnx | quicknote running in Mer (formerly maemo-reconstructed) |
| 18:19.34 | johnx | infobot, mer is the distribution formerly known as Maemo Reconsctructed |
| 18:19.35 | infobot | okay, johnx |
| 18:19.46 | Khertan_n810 | maemo-reconstructed ... i still doesn t understand what this mean ... but |
| 18:20.09 | johnx | it's Nokia's maemo UI parts on to of a minimal ubuntu base |
| 18:20.10 | Meiz_n810 | johnx: try to add usb-host command to rc.local, and then you can use usb keyboard... |
| 18:20.28 | Khertan_n810 | the app look like interested infact ... |
| 18:20.30 | johnx | well, yeah, that's the easy way out, but it's cheating :P |
| 18:20.32 | Khertan_n810 | simple ... |
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| 18:20.54 | mimshita | I see...nowadays it's constantly running against the clock, and each error is a head against the wall:) |
| 18:20.55 | Khertan_n810 | Does it s available for a 'normal' maemo os ? |
| 18:21.06 | johnx | Khertan_n810, I highly recommend it. It shares a lot in common with the PalmOS Memo app |
| 18:21.18 | Khertan_n810 | yep this look like |
| 18:21.31 | Khertan_n810 | i ve planned to do something like that |
| 18:21.40 | Khertan_n810 | but don t have the time to write it |
| 18:21.53 | johnx | if you want it: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/quicknote/ |
| 18:22.06 | zakkkmm | how come i cant install rtcomm? it has missing dependencies |
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| 18:22.09 | zakkkmm | ( diablo , n800 ) |
| 18:22.21 | zakkkmm | i added the colla... repository |
| 18:22.31 | zakkkmm | and added several with it. |
| 18:22.57 | johnx | did you follow all the instructions? |
| 18:23.16 | zakkkmm | johnx: talking to me? |
| 18:23.21 | johnx | yes |
| 18:23.32 | zakkkmm | theres instructions? |
| 18:23.40 | Meiz_n810 | johnx: did you start quicknote from menu? |
| 18:23.46 | johnx | Meiz_n810, I did |
| 18:23.49 | zakkkmm | on my old n770, it just required me to click install ;p |
| 18:24.40 | Meiz_n810 | if i start something from menu, window-decorations diappear immediately |
| 18:24.43 | johnx | zakkkmm, http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 18:25.00 | johnx | Meiz_n810, that's odd |
| 18:25.07 | Meiz_n810 | starting from telnet does not brake window decorations |
| 18:25.22 | Khertan_n810 | johnx: an other repository ? not in extras ? |
| 18:25.39 | zakkkmm | oh cool, thanks johnx |
| 18:25.44 | johnx | Khertan_n810, extras-devel |
| 18:26.06 | Khertan_n810 | hum... strange that application manager ask for adding repository |
| 18:26.08 | johnx | Meiz_n810, does it crash matchbox or something? |
| 18:26.12 | Khertan_n810 | as i ve already it |
| 18:26.21 | johnx | they might have the title of extras devel different? |
| 18:26.28 | johnx | I wonder if that would cause it... |
| 18:26.33 | zakkkmm | what does red pill actually do? |
| 18:26.44 | johnx | it changes which packages are allowed to be installed |
| 18:26.44 | Khertan_n810 | ... it stupid if this is only that |
| 18:27.02 | zakkkmm | so its like "super" devel? |
| 18:27.02 | timeless | it gives you ~8 more options |
| 18:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | ~red-pill |
| 18:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | zakkkmm, evil things |
| 18:27.11 | Meiz_n810 | johnx: menu and advanceb-bklight still appear in the right place, but the app i start from menu appears in top corner... |
| 18:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode |
| 18:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | ~red-pill is https://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode |
| 18:27.28 | infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles |
| 18:27.52 | zakkkmm | im on my highschool pc |
| 18:29.41 | Khertan_n810 | do you have some ui freeze while many apps are open on maemo |
| 18:29.43 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 18:30.13 | zakkkmm | khertan_n810: me? |
| 18:30.23 | johnx | Khertan_n810, probably a memory shortage? |
| 18:30.33 | Khertan_n810 | i ve about three web page, 12 xterm, 2 python app, file manager, and music player running |
| 18:30.39 | Khertan_n810 | johnx : maybe |
| 18:30.49 | johnx | definitely a memory shortage |
| 18:30.54 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 18:30.56 | johnx | I'm sure lots of stuff is paged out |
| 18:30.57 | zakkkmm | wow |
| 18:31.09 | Khertan_n810 | and xchat :) |
| 18:31.19 | johnx | surprised you haven't dropped from IRC actually |
| 18:31.28 | Khertan_n810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.35 | zakkkmm | xchat is nice :) |
| 18:31.35 | zakkkmm | ;o |
| 18:31.37 | Khertan_n810 | nope xchat work well |
| 18:31.41 | zakkkmm | 3.72 ... that must be laggy :P |
| 18:32.00 | Khertan_n810 | the only drop i get is from a phone data connection lost |
| 18:32.09 | Khertan_n810 | not really laagy in fact |
| 18:32.18 | Khertan_n810 | just get sometime a 5s lag |
| 18:32.28 | zakkkmm | calls that laggy |
| 18:32.45 | Khertan_n810 | specially when i make a large svn commit |
| 18:32.58 | zakkkmm | on the nokia? :p |
| 18:33.01 | zakkkmm | you use svn on the nokia? :P |
| 18:33.26 | Khertan_n810 | yep but this 5s appear sometime ... i ll say with 15 min of interval |
| 18:33.36 | Khertan_n810 | yep i use svn on the tablet |
| 18:33.43 | zakkkmm | oh |
| 18:33.44 | Khertan_n810 | as i code on the tablet :) |
| 18:33.55 | zakkkmm | anyone know a good free sip, for the nokia? |
| 18:34.03 | GeneralAntilles | zakkkmm, Khertan_n810 is what we in the biz like to call a "crazy person". ;) |
| 18:34.12 | Khertan_n810 | the most laggy thing is running glade one the tablet |
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| 18:34.26 | zakkkmm | never heard of glade ;p |
| 18:34.38 | zakkkmm | coding on the nokia just sounds odd ;p |
| 18:34.47 | Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles: not a crazy personn just someone optimizing time |
| 18:34.50 | thopiekar | aaah a little question... if i view my svn-"repo" of maemo-garage with eclipse it don't show any folders... |
| 18:35.02 | zakkkmm | i guess the n810 has a keyboard but yeah |
| 18:35.21 | Khertan_n810 | yep but before n810 i code with an n800 |
| 18:35.22 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 18:35.33 | thopiekar | but when i'm using my google.code's svn i works fine |
| 18:35.34 | johnx | hence "crazy person" |
| 18:35.44 | Khertan_n810 | and before on my palm directly with an onboard compiler |
| 18:35.54 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 18:36.16 | johnx | update on h-i-m: sapwood is the one triggering the X error |
| 18:36.21 | Khertan_n810 | who is responsible of the icon for quicknote ? |
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| 18:36.30 | johnx | I have no idea |
| 18:36.52 | johnx | there's a homepage for it listed on the page on maemo.org/downloads though |
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| 18:37.05 | zakkkmm | how would irc work in rtcomm? |
| 18:37.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: happens with both Xomap and xorg? |
| 18:37.27 | zakkkmm | does it show channels as ppl ? |
| 18:37.29 | johnx | I can't get that part to work in Xomap :/ |
| 18:37.42 | johnx | I guess that should be my next real test |
| 18:37.46 | Stskeeps | it crashes in Xomap too or what do you mean? :P |
| 18:37.50 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 18:37.51 | Stskeeps | right |
| 18:37.53 | Stskeeps | tslib was it? |
| 18:38.14 | johnx | in Xorg, the keyboard starts to draw then crashes |
| 18:38.24 | johnx | in Xomap, it won't try to pop up the keyboard |
| 18:38.29 | zakkkmm | anyone know a good SIP, for nokia? |
| 18:38.35 | johnx | I'll test again as I'm out of good ideas |
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| 18:38.57 | mimshita | sofia-sip! |
| 18:39.00 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:39.09 | GeneralAntilles | zakkkmm, channels are chat rooms. |
| 18:39.16 | GeneralAntilles | It sucks in comparison to XChat. |
| 18:39.22 | Khertan_n810 | hum quicknote ui is a bit strange |
| 18:39.58 | johnx | Khertan_n810, you get used to it. it has the right workflow at least: open, right note, close, never worry about saving |
| 18:40.31 | Khertan_n810 | yep ... don t worry about saving is ok |
| 18:40.56 | johnx | right -> write of course |
| 18:40.58 | Khertan_n810 | what is strange is 'new note' in the list ... as their is an add button |
| 18:40.59 | johnx | mer |
| 18:41.22 | zakkkmm | why does MSN ( haze ) give network error? |
| 18:41.26 | Khertan_n810 | mer what ? |
| 18:41.34 | Khertan_n810 | don t understanf |
| 18:41.44 | Khertan_n810 | s/understanf/understand |
| 18:41.46 | johnx | at myself for for right/write |
| 18:42.00 | Stskeeps | passes johnx some coffee |
| 18:42.28 | johnx | Stskeeps, heh...not if I want to sleep at anything resembling a normal time...lost cause already huh? |
| 18:42.34 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:42.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 18:42.58 | zakkkmm | how come i recieve network error with msn and irc? |
| 18:43.09 | zakkkmm | aim connects okay though |
| 18:43.39 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm pondering if the beagleboard at my work is on fire or something.. i'm giving it quite a beating |
| 18:44.34 | johnx | my zaurii haven't died yet, neither has my n800 |
| 18:44.40 | johnx | your beagle will be fine |
| 18:45.17 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:45.47 | zakkkmm | how come it shows irc connected, but it didnt join this chatroom nor did it appear in "online" |
| 18:46.00 | johnx | because it's a beta |
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| 18:52.43 | Khertan_n810 | arring at train station |
| 18:52.45 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 18:52.47 | Khertan_n810 | arriving |
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| 18:54.23 | Pavlov | hrmp |
| 18:56.03 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, hehe, yes, that's better. ;) |
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| 19:11.50 | qwerty12_N800 | "I downloaded this app called "Hello World App" on my nokia n800 then i realized it didn't do much," |
| 19:11.57 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 19:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, you should patch it to ask for a name and say "Hello World, and $NAME!" :P |
| 19:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | Then, maybe, he'll be satisfied. |
| 19:13.03 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 19:14.12 | lcuk | what is the modern equivalent of "10 print 'hello world' : 20 goto 10" |
| 19:14.33 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ferencs got karma feeding a dummy user. http://maemo.org/profile/view/test_user/ http://maemo.org/profile/view/test/ :D |
| 19:15.12 | qwerty12_N800 | All that karma should be mine! |
| 19:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, mine would be: 1. Offer lcuk bacon for coding a Hello World app. 2. lcuk codes Hello World app. 3. The bacon is a lie. |
| 19:15.42 | lcuk | haha, but if the bacon is a lie wont the bpig be angry |
| 19:20.51 | johnx | while true ; do echo oh hai there ; done |
| 19:21.31 | johnx | even updated the message to be understandable by today's youth |
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| 19:22.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer/apt.preferences , would an extra section with a=jaunty work too? |
| 19:22.13 | qwerty12_N800 | s/oh hai there/wag1 |
| 19:22.48 | johnx | Stskeeps, sure |
| 19:23.39 | Stskeeps | with same pin priority? |
| 19:24.15 | johnx | thinks through all the implications |
| 19:24.27 | GeneralAntilles | Any comments on this? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints |
| 19:24.35 | lcuk | johnx: |
| 19:24.36 | lcuk | 'while' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 19:24.36 | lcuk | operable program or batch file. |
| 19:24.44 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: what are you planning to do with jaunty? |
| 19:24.58 | johnx | lcuk, your shell is wrong :) |
| 19:25.19 | disco_stu | his shell is ill |
| 19:25.22 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: we're compiling for a bunch of different bases to cover our bases |
| 19:25.22 | johnx | Stskeeps, yes, as long as mojo guys have been good and haven't modified any packages without bumping the version number |
| 19:25.37 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
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| 19:26.12 | johnx | but really, you probably want to track one distro explicitly if you want to maintain some kind of sanity |
| 19:27.18 | johnx | jaunty should always be higher or equal...but I don't like leaving it to that |
| 19:27.18 | disco_stu | johnx, do you know an easy way to change wlan txpower |
| 19:27.19 | johnx | you can reduce it in the connectivity settings |
| 19:27.23 | johnx | but it won't help you |
| 19:27.25 | disco_stu | iwconfig doesnt work |
| 19:27.45 | johnx | correct |
| 19:28.19 | disco_stu | johnx, in that dialog it takes a lot |
| 19:28.33 | disco_stu | to actually get there |
| 19:28.42 | johnx | yes, it does |
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| 19:28.48 | johnx | but also "it won't help you" |
| 19:28.53 | johnx | it will not affect battery life |
| 19:29.03 | johnx | it's only to comply with regulations in certain countries |
| 19:30.00 | disco_stu | johnx, it does reduce battery consumption |
| 19:30.24 | johnx | no it doesn't according to the Nokia engineers |
| 19:30.34 | johnx | I'll dig up the quote if you need me to |
| 19:31.35 | disco_stu | its alright |
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| 19:32.49 | disco_stu | i've experinced how it improves range |
| 19:33.08 | disco_stu | too bad it doesnt with battery life |
| 19:33.48 | johnx | most of the time the card is idle so the radio is off |
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| 19:34.04 | disco_stu | yes |
| 19:34.17 | johnx | it's possible that if you were right next to the access point, uploading constantly it might have some effect |
| 19:34.40 | johnx | but if you set it to the lower value it will just force the card to retransmit all the time and waste power |
| 19:35.06 | disco_stu | a problem i found is that the n800 wont disassociate from aps when intended to do so |
| 19:35.37 | johnx | just switch to offline mode |
| 19:36.25 | disco_stu | the card goes offline |
| 19:36.45 | disco_stu | but the ap still thinks she is there |
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| 19:36.59 | johnx | that's by definition the AP's problem |
| 19:37.15 | disco_stu | no |
| 19:37.33 | disco_stu | it only happens with n800 |
| 19:38.10 | disco_stu | nor with palms, notebooks |
| 19:39.27 | johnx | is it a stale dhcp lease? is it an entry in the ARP table? lots of possibilities |
| 19:39.33 | johnx | also: does it cause any problem? |
| 19:39.45 | johnx | anyways, I'm off to bed, so good luck with your AP |
| 19:39.50 | Stskeeps | night johnx |
| 19:40.25 | disco_stu | the assoc list has nothing to do with dhcp |
| 19:40.44 | disco_stu | nor arp cache |
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| 19:41.16 | disco_stu | and it doesnt cause problems, just upsets me |
| 19:41.49 | disco_stu | johnx, n8 |
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| 19:44.42 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: where should i create symbolic link to get flash work in epiphany-webkit? (using jaunty) |
| 19:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, then stop looking at the list. ;) |
| 19:53.16 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: lol |
| 19:53.43 | disco_stu | the thing is that i had an script running in my accespoint wich blinks some leds, just to know if i have clientes connected |
| 19:53.51 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: er.. look in the source for the package i guess |
| 19:53.54 | disco_stu | and my n800 is spoiling int |
| 19:54.02 | disco_stu | s/int/it/ |
| 19:54.03 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 19:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't your N800 be connected when you're home, anyway? |
| 19:54.53 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i use it a lot at home |
| 19:55.02 | disco_stu | :P |
| 19:55.27 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, that took, what, 3 days for the community to do what Nokia couldn't manage in 8 months? |
| 19:55.29 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 19:56.17 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, I know. It's pretty effing pathetic in my opinion. |
| 19:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I think it's about time to jettison dependence on Nokia. |
| 19:57.26 | qwerty12_N800 | For sure. :) |
| 19:58.34 | GeneralAntilles | Always leverage the strengths of the resources available to you. |
| 19:58.56 | GeneralAntilles | Fast turnaround and sane policies are not one of Nokia's strengths. |
| 19:59.03 | Mousey | id |
| 19:59.05 | Mousey | oops |
| 19:59.07 | Mousey | tu |
| 19:59.16 | Mousey | oops, wrong channel |
| 20:00.47 | RST38h | General: Nokia's handling of Maemo is better than 90% other companies would do though |
| 20:01.26 | RST38h | General: Examples: Motorola's developer support, Adobe's "open sourced" flash player, Sun's "open sourced" MIDP2 lacking crucial sourcecode pieces |
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| 20:02.05 | RST38h | Google's....mmm...whatever they call Android nowadays |
| 20:02.14 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, sure, but I don't do business with those other companies. |
| 20:02.24 | RST38h | Luckily for you :) |
| 20:02.54 | RST38h | Pretty much the closest to Nokia is Microsoft with WinMobile |
| 20:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | No reason not to expect better simply because other companies do a lot worse. |
| 20:03.15 | RST38h | Support-wise. But I would rather eat toilet paper than use WinMobile... |
| 20:03.27 | RST38h | General: Just saying that Nokia is trying. |
| 20:03.30 | Stskeeps | toliet paper, you say.. |
| 20:03.53 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, winmo here over uiq (and i like symbian) |
| 20:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, and I'd be the first to say so. ;) |
| 20:04.09 | RST38h | General: like a dinosaur trying to bite off a dandelion, indeed, but trying |
| 20:04.51 | RST38h | qwerty: UIQ wasn't that bad really. Buggy implementations, but not as fundamentally broken as WinMobile |
| 20:06.34 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, Serious lack of programs for it. Even uiq hacking is small compared to s60 hackers (and sony ericsson enea ose based phones have a shitton of hackers) |
| 20:07.55 | RST38h | qwerty: That's different from being fuckied up as a platform |
| 20:08.18 | RST38h | qwerty: Has to deal with Sony ericsson not marketing UIQ phones at all |
| 20:08.50 | RST38h | ok, they tried with P1 in Moscow and a lot of people still have P1s here |
| 20:11.06 | qwerty12_N800 | The results of Sony Ericsson's inactions still makes me want to go with WinMo instead :) |
| 20:11.40 | RST38h | Oh, do try, if you really have to |
| 20:11.59 | RST38h | Just don't buy WinMo phone, borrow it for a week |
| 20:14.46 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, when are you gonna put together a wifi page so we can stop staring at this same retarded thread over and over and over again. . . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=243217#post243217 |
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| 20:16.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Fine, but I may need help with tables in the wiki :P |
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| 20:18.17 | GeneralAntilles | Woot! |
| 20:18.27 | GeneralAntilles | Just get the info in there, I'll make it look pretty. |
| 20:19.31 | qwerty12_N800 | dislikes that applet actually. It seems to have an inability with restoring disabled services back in the correct order (browserd is a nice example, but I guess it's because the applet uses update-rc.d) |
| 20:19.45 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
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| 20:22.30 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=243215&postcount=4 - evidently not a sarcasm fan :p |
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| 20:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:26.14 | RST38h | General: Maybe making a list of all services running on the tablet with explanations of what each service does is in order? |
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| 20:26.45 | RST38h | like WinNT service administration list does (it has got explanations for each service) |
| 20:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, qwerty12 seems to be on it. |
| 20:26.56 | dougt_ | weird question -- is there a way to remove the battery, have the device plugged in, and have it work. mozilla is setting up a testing lab and wants to be able to hard reboot this in case of an error (by automatically removing power). |
| 20:27.35 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, that's what i've been commissioned for :p. i'll start a draft in the morning (typing that draft on the n800 would kill me first) |
| 20:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | dougt_, sadly, no. |
| 20:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | dougt_, it's not wired for that |
| 20:28.47 | RST38h | qwerty, General: Just give me a wiki page address and I will make a table there |
| 20:28.55 | RST38h | with all the currently running services |
| 20:29.01 | RST38h | we can fill in explanations later |
| 20:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | Partially because the tablets can actually draw more power than the wallchargers can provide. |
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| 20:32.02 | dougt_ | GeneralAntilles: so, what happens when the battery is at zero and that happens? |
| 20:32.17 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, I haven't started anything yet (and I'm not good with titles either :)) |
| 20:32.23 | disco_stu | dougt_: what could happen |
| 20:32.44 | GeneralAntilles | dougt_, that situation doesn't really exist. |
| 20:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | The battery is never truly at zero |
| 20:33.18 | RST38h | ok, lemme see if I can start it |
| 20:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | The tablet would turn itself off if the battery level is at critical, though (30% or so) |
| 20:33.38 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, RST38h! :) |
| 20:34.31 | dougt_ | one more bad question, any router suggestions to work well with the n810s? PSM has been killing me. I am using a airport extreme and see frequent router reboots |
| 20:34.53 | GeneralAntilles | dougt_, I've had no issue with DD-WRT and Tomato stuff. |
| 20:35.02 | dougt_ | got a link? |
| 20:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | I'd recommend the Buffalo WHR-G125, but they're been locked out of sale in the US thanks to some idiotic patent issues. |
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| 20:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | WRT-54GL is the old standby |
| 20:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | dougt_, http://www.polarcloud.com/tomatofaq#what_will_this_run_on |
| 20:36.45 | GeneralAntilles | Tomato is a lighter, faster, more open-source friendly replacement for DD-WRT |
| 20:38.00 | RST38h | General: Hwo do I create a new page? |
| 20:38.13 | RST38h | Found it |
| 20:38.15 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, just type in the title |
| 20:38.23 | qwerty12_N800 | would love it if his netgear ran dd-wrt. I spend my time cross compiling the stuff I want and then updating the code i use to glue <whatever> to nvram : |
| 20:38.51 | GeneralAntilles | DD-WRT looks good in comparison to default firmwares |
| 20:39.02 | GeneralAntilles | but it's an ugly piece of shit in comparison to Tomato |
| 20:39.09 | GeneralAntilles | and DD-WRT pretty much hates open source. |
| 20:39.42 | Veggen | uhm...openwrt? |
| 20:39.45 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: pop quiz, cflags for armv5el, armv5el-vfp, and armv6-vfp? :P |
| 20:40.10 | qwerty12_N800 | thomson routers should be avoided like the plague if you like custom firmwares. |
| 20:40.29 | GeneralAntilles | Veggen, generally less newbie-friendly, I guess. |
| 20:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | But also a good option. |
| 20:40.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i can get you armv6-vfp flags, the others, not a chance :p |
| 20:40.58 | Stskeeps | k |
| 20:41.30 | Stskeeps | is setting up the builder atm so |
| 20:41.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, if by armv5, we mean 770, 770 doesn't have a fp |
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| 20:42.05 | Stskeeps | mm |
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| 20:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | dougt_, if they want to be a little more dirty, they could probably wire up power directly to the battery pads. |
| 20:44.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, "-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mtune=arm1136jf-s" |
| 20:44.51 | dougt_ | yeah, that is what I am thinking |
| 20:44.57 | dougt_ | GeneralAntilles: do you know the specs? |
| 20:45.05 | dougt_ | (i guess, i could just look at the battery. |
| 20:45.06 | dougt_ | ) |
| 20:45.21 | GeneralAntilles | dougt_, 3.7v 1500mAh |
| 20:45.45 | dougt_ | please tell me you have one in front of you. |
| 20:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | Well, um, technically yes. |
| 20:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm not looking at it. :P |
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| 20:58.58 | Mousey | I AM NOW HOLDING MY NEW SANDISK 16GB *MICROSD* CARD! |
| 20:59.18 | Mousey | happiest n810 evar, on the brink of happinesshood! |
| 20:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | Congratulations, you're now exactly where N800 owners were 8 months ago. :P |
| 20:59.43 | Mousey | GeneralAntilles, ha ha |
| 20:59.49 | qwerty12_N800 | gets the ski mask. Mousey's happiness will not be for long muhahahaha |
| 21:01.37 | Mousey | well if i had a REAL SD slot, instead of this miniscule blahblah tinyslotnonsense |
| 21:01.39 | RST38h | General: Beautify at will: http://wiki.maemo.org/Services |
| 21:01.55 | Mousey | =P |
| 21:02.08 | Mousey | clicks |
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| 21:03.12 | Mousey | i know the answrs to some of the ???'s! |
| 21:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | Aaah, excellent, RST38h. :D |
| 21:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, <nitpick>It's either "Extras" or "maemo.org Extras"</nitpick> |
| 21:05.22 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, cool, thanks. brightness-permission is installed by adv-backlight for 770's with fanoush's kernel to let you echo to required sysfs entry to change brightness. n8x0 users have no need of it at all actually (and is disabled by default for n8x0) |
| 21:05.56 | qwerty12_N800 | ...echo to required sysfs entry to change brightness ^ as"user" |
| 21:06.24 | GeneralAntilles | Any other columns that should be added to the table? |
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| 21:07.31 | lcuk | Mousey, are you a red dwarf fan? |
| 21:08.10 | RST38h | General: You fix it, ok? =) |
| 21:08.12 | qwerty12_N800 | is willing to add to descriptions & add a new table for daemons that are not on the device by default tommorow. and a "required/essential/willmydeviceblowupifidisablethis" column |
| 21:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, it's all cleaned up. |
| 21:08.26 | RST38h | And add the links and the styles too because I am stupid and hate Wiki markup language |
| 21:09.19 | RST38h | qwerty: I have got those in the same list (like carmand) |
| 21:09.35 | Mousey | lcuk, not so much, familiar with it, but not a big fan |
| 21:09.36 | RST38h | qwerty: What the table really needs is idiot-proof descriptions |
| 21:10.57 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, i know :). I have the feeling that i will be seeing "zomg, i don't have carmand listed in my services, do i need to reflash" |
| 21:11.10 | qwerty12_N800 | if they aren't separated |
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| 21:12.40 | RST38h | qwerty: maybe... then you want to separate ones that only run on startup |
| 21:12.59 | lcuk | mousey (and others) i think of this EVERY time i'm holding a memory stick http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DpZiNO2CRtw |
| 21:13.36 | lcuk | 2 minutes 05 for the specific |
| 21:19.06 | RST38h | General: I added some descriptions. Check please. |
| 21:19.42 | GeneralAntilles | Would some "types" be useful? |
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| 21:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I separated the tables. |
| 21:23.51 | RST38h | ok |
| 21:26.08 | RST38h | More descriptions added |
| 21:26.24 | RST38h | You want someone from Nokia to add more involved descriptions |
| 21:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | I think there are some descriptions in the documentation |
| 21:28.03 | qwerty12_N800 | maemo-launcher isn't responsible for "Loading..." messages. hildon-desktop produces them when starting an app via dbus |
| 21:30.40 | RST38h | what is it responsible for then? |
| 21:31.39 | qwerty12_N800 | maemo-launcher precaches some gtk stuff like pango etc. if your application is linked to maemo-launcher, your application can startup quicker |
| 21:31.48 | RST38h | ah |
| 21:31.52 | RST38h | making change |
| 21:35.02 | qwerty12_N800 | promises to add detailed descriptions in the morning (must have said it about 3 or 4 times already :)) |
| 21:35.37 | RST38h | ok, I am going to go read and hit the bed |
| 21:35.45 | RST38h | that page is all yours now |
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| 21:43.08 | Stskeeps | is in evil scientist mood today. builder that connects to jaiku |
| 21:43.43 | Stskeeps | ok, mad scientist more closely |
| 21:43.43 | RST38h | "See, what airplanes are good at is blowing up expensive, visible, identifiable things, to include other airplanes. An aircraft carrier in the open Pacific fits the bill nicely" |
| 21:43.45 | RST38h | Hehe |
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| 21:51.59 | RST38h | "Never, ever underestimate fun as a driver of military policy." |
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| 21:54.36 | Stskeeps | http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/ , hehe |
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| 22:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you're a sick person. |
| 22:08.27 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 22:08.39 | Stskeeps | this guy would be the most irritating to have as a contact |
| 22:11.42 | RST38h | Why "Mer"? |
| 22:11.56 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: pipe your bash commands too? :O http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/bti.html |
| 22:12.13 | RST38h | You should really rename it into "La Mer" =) |
| 22:16.09 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: hehe, this has a bit of purpose, it's not just a log |
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| 22:40.15 | lcuk | huzzah! i have 1KB downloads for liqbase :D http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ (would be nice to have more than 4bit voting) |
| 22:40.21 | Stskeeps | woop |
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| 22:40.36 | lcuk | ie vote now :P |
| 22:42.48 | Stskeeps | is designing his monsterbuilder |
| 22:43.34 | jagernot | nice lcuk |
| 22:44.08 | jagernot | 2 questions from a wannabe...how do i get my app into multimedia, and how do i take screenshots? |
| 22:45.53 | lcuk | after you have registered your project with extras and got it through the serious builder you can then build up one of these download pages, and as for taking screenshots, i dunno in general maemo, liqbase includes screenshot capabilities by default (just press the [Fullscreen] button anywhere in the system :) |
| 22:46.03 | lcuk | and if you think its nice vote for the sucker :P |
| 22:46.14 | lcuk | rarely whores his app it normally does the talking |
| 22:46.52 | jagernot | that whore title goes to jag/boxar :) |
| 22:47.39 | mikkov_ | load applet can take screenshots |
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| 22:47.59 | jagernot | where is this load applet mikkov? |
| 22:48.07 | mikkov_ | extras |
| 22:49.02 | GeneralAntilles | I just use x11vnc. |
| 22:49.26 | GeneralAntilles | Since I've got a script to automatically capture, crop, compress, upload and stick the URL into my clipboard on my computer. ;) |
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| 22:52.35 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i bet you've given your script some kind of catchy name like "autocropcompressuploadcopyurlclip.sh" havent u |
| 22:52.50 | GeneralAntilles | wincapnsize |
| 22:53.42 | lcuk | at the moment, its a multiple step process to upload images taken in liqbase to my server, but at least the media stream is sensible and I know i just sort the folder to get the latest stuff |
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| 22:54.02 | lcuk | though i have got an upload script already available |
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| 22:55.07 | lcuk | cant believe my whoring didnt work :'( no1 voted for it http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ |
| 22:55.59 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk is a bad pimp. |
| 22:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | Give me $5 |
| 22:56.11 | lcuk | yeah qwerty i am :( |
| 22:56.47 | lcuk | tries to wear a pimp coat but just looks like a pratt |
| 22:57.24 | lcuk | so qwerty12_N800 how would i do it better then |
| 22:57.43 | lcuk | and GeneralAntilles i already owe you beers, ill just add more onto the tab |
| 22:57.50 | GeneralAntilles | Rated |
| 22:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | Whore |
| 22:58.03 | lcuk | gets on his knees |
| 22:58.27 | lcuk | finds his contact lens |
| 22:58.39 | qwerty12_N800 | crushes them |
| 23:00.24 | lcuk | thats just bad form qwerty, now i cant find anything |
| 23:01.24 | lcuk | is rough |
| 23:01.29 | lcuk | :D |
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| 23:07.21 | Genobob | Hello, i have a quick question |
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| 23:08.32 | lcuk | fire away bob |
| 23:09.18 | Genobob | does the Maemo OS have the ability to be a simple Kiosk? My needs for the Nokia N810 would be simple and ONLY to access the internet over wifi via a web browser, and perhaps have the GPS on. I want to make it so the user only can have the web browser open if possible |
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| 23:09.30 | Genobob | so basically lock it down completely. Make sense? |
| 23:09.52 | Stskeeps | you can probably hack yourself into that situation, yeah |
| 23:10.39 | Genobob | I do not have the N810 yet, just looking into it currently. I am most familiar with Slackware as a Desktop OS. Does anyone have tips on how to do it? |
| 23:11.07 | Stskeeps | it's a matter of tinkering quite a bit, but not impossible |
| 23:13.21 | Genobob | so it is possible. Awesome. Do you know of anyone who has done what I am considering? |
| 23:13.32 | timeless | i saw an internal demo |
| 23:13.47 | timeless | :) |
| 23:13.56 | Genobob | lol |
| 23:14.29 | Genobob | alright, thanks |
| 23:14.43 | timeless | but in general it'd take a considerable amount of effort |
| 23:14.52 | timeless | typically the browser will let you launch other apps |
| 23:15.06 | timeless | you'd probably need to whack most of the .desktop files to suppress that |
| 23:15.15 | timeless | (or uninstall the apps) |
| 23:15.47 | Genobob | yeah... most likely I will be uninstalling them |
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| 23:15.54 | timeless | making the browser launch visibly at startup and dealing w/ the desktop will probably involve you replacing the desktop app |
| 23:16.04 | lights234 | hi all |
| 23:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | Wire up the faceplate with a taser that goes off whenever you try to do an unauthorized operation. |
| 23:16.20 | Genobob | lol |
| 23:16.27 | Genobob | if only |
| 23:16.41 | GeneralAntilles | Get some of those Wiimote wristbands so people don't drop them. |
| 23:16.55 | lights234 | once I couldnt see any application in the application menu from the desktop |
| 23:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | Kiosk mode is requested a lot |
| 23:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should put together a jffs2 image or something. |
| 23:17.18 | lights234 | I got an advice here and copied some file from /usr/share and it solved it |
| 23:17.36 | lights234 | however I can no longer edit the application menu |
| 23:17.42 | lights234 | how to fix it? |
| 23:18.09 | lcuk | heh lights234 could you tell Genobob how you managed to remove all your applications from the menu, hes interested to know |
| 23:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:19.00 | lcuk | i am constantly surprised by how many different directions people want to pull their devices in :) |
| 23:19.53 | lights234 | lcuk: dont know how :-( |
| 23:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, there's not a lot of decently open, fast, versatile hardware like the tablets out there. |
| 23:20.08 | lcuk | and unfortunately i dont know how to repair it |
| 23:20.10 | GeneralAntilles | Most of the other fast stuff is pretty well locked down. |
| 23:20.32 | qwerty12_N800 | lights234, chown user:users the file that you copied to ~/somewhere |
| 23:20.38 | lcuk | hey shush, this tablet is fast :) its only slightly disabled |
| 23:21.01 | lights234 | qwerty12_N800: hi you saved me last time :-) |
| 23:21.05 | lights234 | I like you |
| 23:21.15 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 23:21.22 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, did you happen to get ogl built from source or did you give up (i didnt manage it either) |
| 23:21.27 | lights234 | but I dont remeber which file it was |
| 23:21.54 | lights234 | can I use find to find to find it? |
| 23:21.57 | lcuk | lights234, qwerty has linux superpowers |
| 23:22.02 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i gave up, files missing etc |
| 23:22.04 | Genobob | yeah, i figured kiosk mode would be requested prior to me, but i couldnt find much online about it.... unless I used a different OS that is specifically designed to be a kiosk, but not for phones |
| 23:22.44 | GeneralAntilles | Genobob, I think the problem is is that most of the people asking are after custom solutions. |
| 23:23.02 | GeneralAntilles | Say, museums distributing them to patrons |
| 23:23.19 | lights234 | btw there is a woot off now |
| 23:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | So they go and roll their own solution and it never sees the light of day outside their deployment. |
| 23:23.24 | lcuk | Genobob, would something like "while 1; browserui;" work along with wiping as many user apps as possible? |
| 23:23.25 | lights234 | www.woot.com |
| 23:23.45 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, museum guy is happy using built in paint |
| 23:23.54 | lcuk | i think |
| 23:23.56 | lights234 | qwerty12_N800: where are these desktop files? |
| 23:24.20 | qwerty12_N800 | lights234, /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 23:24.44 | lights234 | ok, so I need to seek a file that has root:root permitions? |
| 23:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there's been more than one. |
| 23:24.59 | lcuk | same guy |
| 23:25.07 | lcuk | was speaking to him a couple of weeks ago |
| 23:25.25 | Genobob | yeah, maybe... but I need the ability to lock it down so its either the browser or its off.... you know what I mean? |
| 23:25.27 | qwerty12_N800 | lights234, not in that folder. lemme scour the irc logs :) |
| 23:25.50 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm talking into 2007. |
| 23:26.34 | lcuk | ahhhh ancient times themselves thats life before tablet |
| 23:26.36 | lights234 | I was CityLights |
| 23:26.42 | lights234 | in them logs... |
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| 23:27.40 | t_s_o | heh, i keep coming back to the thinking that canola, liqbase and the other fullscreen apps (especially ones they get plugin support) is just another OS/DE stacked on top of a existing OS/DE... |
| 23:27.55 | qwerty12_N800 | I guess it's inevitable that searching those logs is getting slower :( |
| 23:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, like johnx said. "Yep, emacs." |
| 23:28.15 | lcuk | heh t_s_o agreed, i had problems though with switching apps, liqbase was never meant to be modal |
| 23:28.53 | lcuk | hits tso on the head with an ipod |
| 23:29.34 | lcuk | it was funny you posted here just now, id just wrote that ^ in the forum |
| 23:30.11 | t_s_o | :P |
| 23:31.53 | qwerty12_N800 | lights234, what does ls -l /home/user/.osso/menus/applications.menu say? |
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| 23:33.05 | lights234 | min |
| 23:33.17 | lights234 | user users |
| 23:33.29 | t_s_o | im not sure i follow you when you say that liqbase was never ment to be modal, lcuk |
| 23:34.06 | t_s_o | but them im not fully up to speed on the "lingo" of user interfaces... |
| 23:34.07 | qwerty12_N800 | lights234, hrm, that isn't your problem then (in captain obvious mode) :/ |
| 23:35.35 | t_s_o | anyways, as i think about its, liqbase strikes me as a variant of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archy |
| 23:35.38 | lights234 | maybe I should run some stat -c %a /path/to/somewhere | grep 644 ? |
| 23:35.47 | t_s_o | only using graphics rather then text |
| 23:36.55 | t_s_o | and i keep also being reminded of how the apple lisa handled the creation of new files... |
| 23:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | lulz Lisa |
| 23:38.09 | t_s_o | the thing was that you started by creating the file first, then filling it with data, not creating the data first and then putting it somewhere... |
| 23:38.11 | lcuk | t_s_o, thank you |
| 23:38.31 | t_s_o | your welcome |
| 23:38.58 | lcuk | ive never seen archy, but am reading more :) it looks intruiging |
| 23:38.59 | t_s_o | anyways, that removed the need for a "save file" dialog, as the file was allready created in some location or other... |
| 23:39.20 | lcuk | you're camera does it |
| 23:39.24 | lcuk | your as well |
| 23:39.25 | lcuk | ffs |
| 23:39.52 | lcuk | you take pictures without care as to its name, you can retrieve the data later |
| 23:39.54 | t_s_o | i would not know the inner workings of a digital camera, but it would not surprise me |
| 23:39.56 | lcuk | and sort and tag it |
| 23:40.15 | lcuk | i mean in principle, not in practice |
| 23:40.28 | lcuk | most just increment a filename |
| 23:40.58 | lights234 | qwerty12_N800: find /usr/share/ -name *.desktop -perm 664 -print gives no answer |
| 23:42.03 | t_s_o | true that, lcuk |
| 23:42.48 | qwerty12_N800 | lights234, I honestly have no idea :/. Maybe a update-desktop-database (but no idea if this will help any)? |
| 23:43.32 | lights234 | even find /usr/share/ -perm 664 -print gives two other files.. |
| 23:46.49 | lights234 | the update fixed it! |
| 23:46.59 | lcuk | t_s_o, the zooming interface sounds similar to what i want :) the stamp tool is my first view to this, but i want to be able to click on any inserted sketch and zoom in/out (but with better spatial tricks ontop) |
| 23:53.35 | t_s_o | hmm, it seems the wikipedia article on the apple lisa dont touch on the file creation thing, so a qick google dug up this: http://www.applefritter.com/node/3198 |
| 23:58.29 | lcuk | lots of systems do creation without specifying names |
