| 00:00.22 | Andy80 | hi test |
| 00:00.31 | Andy80 | I've a similar problem |
| 00:00.57 | Andy80 | can you test if you can access internet from scratchbox, just using wget for example? |
| 00:06.05 | test | sorry, I was eatin'.... ok, Andy80... yep, I've got internet access from Scratchbox (wget,...) |
| 00:06.26 | Andy80 | same problem then! |
| 00:06.28 | Andy80 | :( |
| 00:06.38 | Andy80 | and I still don't know how to solve it |
| 00:06.48 | test | Andy80: it's internet access from OS2008 (after af_sb_init start) that doesn't kick in.. I don't know why |
| 00:07.45 | Andy80 | we should post on maemo-developers mailing list |
| 00:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's depressing when filing a new bug doesn't actually send an email to anybody @nokia. . . . |
| 00:12.00 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: well... if you post it on maemo-developers ML they should read it.... I think... |
| 00:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | Andy80, maemo-developers isn't the place to file bugs. |
| 00:12.35 | GeneralAntilles | That's what bugs.maemo.org is for. |
| 00:13.57 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: yes, but.... fill it on bugs.maemo.org, then announce it on mailing list... |
| 00:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | Andy80, it doesn't work like that. :) |
| 00:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | That's what we like to call spam. ;) |
| 00:15.09 | Andy80 | it's not spam.... if you submit a bug it's because you want to improve Maemo... I think it's related to the mailing list too.... |
| 00:15.16 | GeneralAntilles | It really isn't |
| 00:15.46 | GeneralAntilles | The way it should work, is the appropriate Nokia engineers and product managers should be watching the bugzilla products and components they own and actioning bugs as appropriate |
| 00:15.49 | GeneralAntilles | but they aren't. |
| 00:17.01 | Andy80 | well, this is a clear "hole" in the maemo management.... you could blog about this and ask Nokia people to do something :) |
| 00:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, well, it's been being "worked on" since 2006 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630 |
| 00:24.19 | Andy80 | I'll vote for the bug |
| 00:26.54 | andre__ | either vote or blame me :-P |
| 00:27.35 | Stskeeps | death to xephyr based emulation! |
| 00:27.37 | Stskeeps | chants |
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| 00:27.39 | Stskeeps | goes to bed |
| 00:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | andre__ -> /msg |
| 00:41.56 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: good email :) |
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| 02:00.53 | test | Hi everybody, I'd like to know if anyone has ever gotten internet connectivity to work in the sb_af_init.sh UI from scratchbox ? |
| 02:01.08 | timeless | hello world |
| 02:01.15 | timeless | anyone here have time to 'play'? |
| 02:01.32 | timeless | is looking for something to break |
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| 02:05.35 | fred23 | Hi everybody, I'd like to know if anyone has ever gotten internet connectivity to work in the sb_af_init.sh UI from scratchbox ? |
| 02:07.43 | fred23 | I've installed Maemo SDK 4.1.1 DIABLO in scratchbox and everything seem to work fine... the only problem is : When I start the emulated version of OS2008 (X86 target) on the Xephyr server, with sb_af_init, I cannot access the web, nor can I start a new browse page with the browser... what's wrong ? |
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| 02:28.21 | `0660 | fred23, i always had trouble with /etc/nsswitch.conf in scratchbox environment |
| 02:29.29 | `0660 | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2007-February/014351.html |
| 02:29.41 | `0660 | i'm not sure if it still applies |
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| 07:35.33 | zetheroo | anyone here having any luck getting Maemo Mapper to talk? |
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| 08:29.37 | zetheroo | anyone here having any luck getting Maemo Mapper to talk? |
| 08:34.00 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 08:51.10 | lslarry | re. ppl, can you tell me which application is usable for phonebook sync (like gnokii front-end)? |
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| 08:53.24 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:55.08 | zetheroo | anyone here having any luck getting Maemo Mapper to talk? |
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| 09:00.17 | zetheroo | so far I have only heard from one person who got flite to work in Mapper ... |
| 09:00.27 | zetheroo | and that was with an N710 |
| 09:02.21 | zetheroo | I also tried getting it working on my N800 ... but nothing doing |
| 09:02.41 | zetheroo | I also cannot find any documentation or helpful information on how to get it working |
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| 09:12.38 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Can i scp libgpsbt and libgpsmgr to trac.tspre.org? |
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| 09:17.19 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: sorry, it's closed source and non-redistributable so we can't touch it for now |
| 09:17.30 | Stskeeps | as we're targetting a "free" generic platform |
| 09:17.33 | Stskeeps | it's alright though |
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| 09:19.57 | Meiz_n810 | Maemo wiki says target is not to make completely-open-source os. But is it illegal to add non-free packages to repo? |
| 09:20.13 | Stskeeps | well |
| 09:20.47 | Stskeeps | no, maemo reconstructed wiki page doesn't say it should be completely open source - it says the base system should be free, and vendors can add value-adding services/apps/etc on top |
| 09:20.51 | Stskeeps | and hardware support |
| 09:21.07 | Stskeeps | and yes, it would be illegal for us to redistribute nokia packages |
| 09:21.19 | Stskeeps | as in, the closed source ones |
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| 09:21.42 | suihkulokki | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM |
| 09:21.56 | Stskeeps | *looks* |
| 09:22.10 | Meiz_n810 | i said: maemo wiki says target is NOT to make completely-open-source... |
| 09:22.30 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:22.45 | Meiz_n810 | but if we do not redistribute, only use =P |
| 09:23.01 | Stskeeps | we can do it in our own internal hacks but as soon as it leaves your tablet :P |
| 09:23.33 | Stskeeps | "The primary differences are 1) Ubuntu uses "armel" as the architecture where mojo uses "arm" " |
| 09:23.37 | Stskeeps | oh thank god |
| 09:24.10 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 09:24.45 | Stskeeps | and putting it in a repo constitutes redistribution, so :P that's why we have the local non-free repo on your tablet |
| 09:26.40 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: but what libgpsbt will be is that it's contrary to ideas of a generic platform a pervasive device likes GPS'es are not standardized on the platform :P |
| 09:27.57 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 09:28.43 | Stskeeps | and gah @ hildon-control panel and launchers :P |
| 09:28.45 | Meiz_n810 | is dpkg-repack and then aupping in the repo illega redistributing |
| 09:28.50 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 09:28.57 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 09:29.51 | Stskeeps | basically rule of thumb i use is, if there's a LICENSE or COPYING file indicating a gpl / bsd / etc license, and it's actually possible to get the source code without agreeing to a license agreement, it's good enough for now :P |
| 09:30.40 | RST38h | Wait, wait, once it is GPL, you can actually put more conditions on getting the code??? |
| 09:30.53 | RST38h | can think of some REALLY GOOD conditions |
| 09:31.07 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no, i've been in a fight with debian-legal on that, not again |
| 09:31.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:32.15 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: recompiling control panel with nolauncher |
| 09:32.34 | Meiz_n810 | good |
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| 09:42.14 | Stskeeps | attempts building advanced-backlight |
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| 10:00.08 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: hildon-control-panel deps on osso-app-killer |
| 10:01.30 | Stskeeps | yeah, i'll get to that |
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| 10:03.30 | Meiz_n810 | Advanced-backlight installed with no prob, will it start automatically with hildon? |
| 10:03.59 | Stskeeps | no clue, you may have to select it in applets |
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| 10:05.58 | Meiz_n810 | i'll try :) |
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| 10:11.04 | Stskeeps | morning lcuk |
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| 10:14.03 | Stskeeps | http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2007-08-03/ |
| 10:15.03 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 10:17.24 | Stskeeps | melmoth: try now |
| 10:17.25 | Stskeeps | err |
| 10:17.30 | Stskeeps | wheredidmeizgo |
| 10:17.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:20.29 | Stskeeps | goes hunt extras for apps that would be a good example that what we have is actually a maemo platform.. |
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| 10:26.52 | GAN800 | Carman? |
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| 10:27.44 | GAN800 | Vagalume, Maemo Mapper |
| 10:28.05 | Stskeeps | Maemo Mapper is (sadly) out of the question, it depends on libgpsbt and libgpsmgr |
| 10:28.11 | Stskeeps | which are closed source |
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| 10:28.35 | RST38h | Carman is not in Extras |
| 10:28.58 | GAN800 | Have you stuck them on the closed source page? |
| 10:29.10 | GAN800 | RST38h, yes it is. |
| 10:29.24 | Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah, it's there already |
| 10:29.26 | RST38h | checks |
| 10:29.38 | Stskeeps | GAN800: the irony is libgpsbt used to be open source :P |
| 10:29.47 | GAN800 | I'd've said Canola, but it's not open yet |
| 10:30.05 | Stskeeps | yeah.. and we don't have python hildon just yert |
| 10:30.24 | GAN800 | Vagalume should be really easy |
| 10:31.31 | Stskeeps | yeah, need to compile dsp stuff first |
| 10:31.33 | Stskeeps | then it seems trivial |
| 10:32.12 | Stskeeps | or something.. hmm |
| 10:32.19 | GAN800 | FBReadee |
| 10:32.50 | RST38h | Yaaaaa! |
| 10:32.57 | RST38h | Carman is in the Extras! |
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| 10:34.19 | GAN800 | Coerce RST38h into compiling VGBA for it. :p |
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| 10:36.20 | Stskeeps | hehe.. it'd run like hell since our X isn't well performing cos it doesn't do framebuffer updates yet |
| 10:36.45 | GAN800 | steps on more landmines. :p |
| 10:37.20 | zetheroo | anyone here having any luck getting Maemo Mapper to talk? |
| 10:37.59 | Stskeeps | zetheroo: that's the fourth time you ask :P try on ITT, i'm sure there's some |
| 10:38.36 | RST38h | zetheroo: Theoretocally you only need to install Flite |
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| 10:38.56 | RST38h | Practically, neither speech nor navigation are usable without bending over |
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| 10:42.34 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.48 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.04 | zetheroo | Stskeeps: ITT? |
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| 10:48.43 | user__ | Stskeeps: have you found a way to make icons work? |
| 10:50.08 | Meiz_n810 | Control panel is not in the app-menu, if fact there is nothing.. Does it have something to do with icons? |
| 10:58.56 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: not yet, waiting for johnx |
| 10:58.57 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1805#c9 |
| 10:59.23 | Jaffa | Blimey #303 (24h clock) has been marked as "fixed" |
| 11:00.21 | GAN800 | X-Fade, 'policy follows tools' is what they said |
| 11:00.27 | lcuk | yes, it now correctly shows time in cubic 36 hour spans |
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| 11:00.46 | GAN800 | So the policy update is dependent on h-a-m getting updated. . . . |
| 11:01.07 | derf | Jaffa: HOORJ! |
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| 11:09.36 | mik_ | hi |
| 11:10.11 | mik_ | after updating my n800 to diablo maemo-pan won't work anymore for using the internet connection from my wm6 device |
| 11:10.24 | mik_ | anybody knows that problem and has a workaround for me? |
| 11:12.20 | Stskeeps | ponders idly if fbreader is actually openoffice in disguise |
| 11:12.27 | Stskeeps | sure as hell is bringing my buildbox to its knees |
| 11:13.16 | GAN800 | libz is probably pretty nasty |
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| 11:14.27 | Stskeeps | yeah, zlibrary |
| 11:14.48 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, think it would help to get the policy people to say something? |
| 11:15.15 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: About what? |
| 11:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | The category list changes for Diablo. |
| 11:16.04 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I guess it all depends on when it shows up in AM and when there is a SSU which includes it? |
| 11:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it would be unfortunate for the documentation to be wrong for the rest of Diablo's lifespan just because the dates didn't line up by a couple weeks. . . . |
| 11:17.31 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well Eero said that he didn't want to change the policy unless there were more additions on that wiki page? |
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| 11:17.53 | X-Fade | But do we really have any other changes that should go in the document? |
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| 11:20.43 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, Eero said wait for more changes (/me doesn't really know of any important ones), and Juha Koivisto came back with "policy will be updated when the tools are updated" |
| 11:21.20 | lardman | morning |
| 11:21.26 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It seems to me that either we are waiting on the tools or we are blocking ;) |
| 11:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, unless you can round up some more changes. . . . |
| 11:22.28 | GeneralAntilles | makes a note to handle the next issue like this on a public list. |
| 11:23.36 | GeneralAntilles | If it's going to become impossible to change the Diablo documentation after this next update, then it seems like pushing the new list there shouldn't be dependent on the policy changing. |
| 11:23.59 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There is no harm in using the new list. |
| 11:24.09 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Only benefits. |
| 11:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Jarmo seems to be saying they're not gonna use the new list if it's not in the policy. |
| 11:25.11 | GeneralAntilles | If only all this had been wrapped up in the spring. ;) |
| 11:26.00 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i added advanced-backlight.desktop to both user and system statusbar.conf, and it now starts automatically :) files |
| 11:26.48 | Meiz_n810 | files at the end is accident |
| 11:27.05 | Meiz_n810 | gonna try if it works now |
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| 11:32.15 | johnx | Stskeeps, waiting for which package? |
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| 11:34.04 | Stskeeps | johnx: i can't seem to get icons on the install |
| 11:34.05 | bradd | just a quick scratchbox question.. Can I substitute using xnest instead of xephyr? |
| 11:34.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: on hildon |
| 11:34.16 | Meiz_n810 | A-B works great! |
| 11:34.28 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: usual screenshot :P (xwd?) |
| 11:34.47 | Meiz_n810 | how can i take scrshot? |
| 11:34.57 | Meiz_n810 | with the same comman i start X |
| 11:35.31 | johnx | Stskeeps, h-i-m? h-d? which package? |
| 11:35.35 | Meiz_n810 | i'm at school now... |
| 11:35.38 | johnx | bradd, yeah, that would probably work fine |
| 11:35.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: hildon desktop |
| 11:36.02 | Stskeeps | i have hildon-icons installed and all |
| 11:36.20 | johnx | didn't I upload that? |
| 11:36.48 | Stskeeps | i'm confused now :P |
| 11:36.59 | bradd | johnx, thanks |
| 11:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | notices the Plenware spam has stopped. |
| 11:37.26 | Stskeeps | i have the same problem as the first scrshot you showed me of h-d :P |
| 11:37.44 | johnx | the one from my zaurus? or the one with no icons? |
| 11:38.00 | Stskeeps | the one with no icons |
| 11:38.42 | johnx | aaah, right, one more thing to fix then :) |
| 11:39.35 | Stskeeps | what's the underlying problem then? :P |
| 11:39.49 | johnx | just need to add the path to the icon theme into the gtk theme |
| 11:39.49 | Stskeeps | wasn't able to solve it |
| 11:39.51 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:39.54 | johnx | since the names don't match |
| 11:40.03 | johnx | sorry, figured it out and never documented it. oops |
| 11:41.03 | johnx | gtk-icon-theme-name = "hildon" |
| 11:41.21 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:41.29 | johnx | add ^that^ somewhere in /usr/share/themes/plankton/gtk-2.0/gtkrc |
| 11:41.35 | Stskeeps | so we need to recompile plankton, k |
| 11:41.57 | johnx | I guess that's reasonable in the short term |
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| 11:49.35 | Meiz_n810 | it was all about icons, menu is now full of stuff! |
| 11:50.13 | suihkulokki | johnx: do you have a nicele package plankton? |
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| 11:53.25 | johnx | suihkulokki, well, it seems to *work* but I think it's just a straight checkout and dpkg-buildpackage from Nokia's svn repo |
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| 11:53.53 | suihkulokki | pkg-maemo is missing it atm |
| 11:54.17 | Stskeeps | plankton is CC 3.0 now i think |
| 11:55.00 | johnx | suihkulokki, oh, thanks for the packaging job for hildon-desktop 2.0.7. hildon-desktop 2.0.19 works fine with that packaging applied to it |
| 11:55.05 | Summeli | I have some path problems in scratchbox: the platform is searchin libs under /target/DIABLO_X86/usr/lib instead of /usr/lib |
| 11:57.54 | Stskeeps | right, i'm off to class |
| 11:58.02 | Stskeeps | fbreader is compiling |
| 11:58.13 | johnx | 'later Stskeeps. I'll beat my head against h-i-m again for a while |
| 11:58.17 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 12:04.10 | Meiz_n810 | crap quality pic about m-r with a-b: http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/MaemoReconstructed#5269966649978278514 |
| 12:04.53 | Meiz_n810 | screen rotation (surprise!) kills xorg |
| 12:04.59 | johnx | heh :) |
| 12:05.17 | johnx | you have a rotation enabled kernel installed? |
| 12:06.53 | johnx | suihkulokki, did you ever take a look at suihkulokki? is it worth using or not? |
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| 12:07.13 | suihkulokki | am I worth using? |
| 12:07.21 | johnx | change that second one to maemo-launcher |
| 12:07.41 | suihkulokki | =) |
| 12:07.45 | johnx | is apparently making random typo's tonight, blames his paste buffer |
| 12:08.11 | suihkulokki | maemo-launcher is usefull when you start getting many hildon apps on your system |
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| 12:11.12 | johnx | back in a couple minutes |
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| 13:05.22 | disco_st1 | hi |
| 13:05.51 | disco_st1 | s |
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| 13:22.01 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 13:22.11 | slapin | is there some kernel gurus there? |
| 13:22.32 | slapin | I'd like to ask for directions on tty ldisc changes in kernels >2.6.25 |
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| 13:23.26 | slapin | offtopic question, but i was unable to find answers elsewhere. I just need some code sample of ldisc implementation with new kernel |
| 13:27.25 | StsN800 | johnx, we need to consider where we base from now ubuntu ports to armel.. |
| 13:28.34 | johnx | you mean in terms of the base distro part or the maemo part? |
| 13:29.07 | StsN800 | base i guess |
| 13:29.29 | StsN800 | in next poc iteration obviously |
| 13:29.47 | StsN800 | where we get beagleboards building for us |
| 13:30.23 | StsN800 | ubuntu arm targets armv5-vfp |
| 13:30.36 | johnx | grr...that's really not the most useful thing ever |
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| 13:31.25 | StsN800 | mm? |
| 13:31.47 | johnx | well it's not optimized completely for the n8x0 or beagle/pandora |
| 13:31.52 | johnx | but it also won't run on the zaurus |
| 13:32.31 | StsN800 | true |
| 13:33.03 | StsN800 | mojo has the benefit it targets multiple, but has arch arm |
| 13:33.22 | StsN800 | and is sponsored by nokia |
| 13:34.03 | johnx | I wonder a little about the future of mojo |
| 13:34.10 | StsN800 | yeah.. |
| 13:35.11 | StsN800 | but if maemo-r goes in full swing there would be benefit to atleast armv6 and non-vfp |
| 13:35.32 | StsN800 | while ubuntu takes care of armv5el-vfp |
| 13:35.34 | suihkulokki | StsN800, ubuntu doesn't target armv5-vfp |
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| 13:35.50 | johnx | ah, what are they targetting? plain armv5? |
| 13:36.02 | StsN800 | hm, thought i just read that |
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| 13:36.27 | suihkulokki | it's armv5t with armv6/armv7/vfp/neon optimized libraries where there is significant performance gain. |
| 13:36.29 | StsN800 | http://blog.canonical.com/?p=74 |
| 13:37.51 | suihkulokki | you can allways join #ubuntu-arm and ask :) |
| 13:38.02 | StsN800 | is there size benefits to v5 vs v6 for instance? |
| 13:38.08 | StsN800 | i just might |
| 13:38.30 | johnx | well if you avoid vfp you can use thumb, IIRC |
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| 13:40.13 | StsN800 | anyway, when we've been through this first iteration we will set a proper builder up so we can rebase easily |
| 13:40.44 | johnx | is there a beagleboard to do it full time or will it be on qemu somewhere? |
| 13:42.09 | StsN800 | yeah, i'll set up connected at my work |
| 13:42.23 | johnx | woo! |
| 13:42.29 | StsN800 | 2x |
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| 13:43.42 | StsN800 | we'd probably see i386 builds too though |
| 13:44.01 | StsN800 | as we have a atom board to target |
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| 13:47.58 | johnx | interesting. looks like ubuntu uses matchbox-keyboard in ubuntu-mobile |
| 13:49.10 | StsN800 | mm |
| 13:50.04 | StsN800 | the question is really kbd icon vs click in text field |
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| 14:44.34 | StsN801 | wonders idly if his city is being evacuated or something |
| 14:44.54 | disco_stu | StsN801: why ? |
| 14:45.47 | StsN801 | never seen that amount of passengers and cars.. or ive managed to steer clear of the real rush hour the 5 years ive lived here.. |
| 14:45.52 | StsN801 | :P |
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| 14:46.56 | disco_stu | where u live ? |
| 14:47.37 | StsN801 | .dk |
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| 14:48.03 | disco_stu | whic means.. |
| 14:48.10 | disco_stu | s/whic/wich/ |
| 14:48.14 | StsN801 | denmark |
| 14:48.18 | StsN801 | :) |
| 14:48.36 | disco_stu | nice place for sure |
| 14:49.38 | matrx | anyone experiencing file manager no longer detecting smb shares on an n810? still works on the n800, both running diablo |
| 14:50.35 | disco_stu | matrx: i experienced that for some time.. but then i flashed to diablo and now seems to work |
| 14:51.15 | disco_stu | other thing is, if the share is password protected filemanager wont show it |
| 14:52.45 | matrx | yeah, looks like it's reflash time |
| 14:53.10 | matrx | this will be my first reflash since diablo was released, i was getting spoiled |
| 14:53.55 | disco_stu | matrx: maybe it is not neccesary.. it maybe something within your network |
| 14:54.07 | disco_stu | s/maybe/may be/ |
| 14:54.20 | disco_stu | shit |
| 14:54.32 | matrx | naw, it still works on the n800 running diablo |
| 14:55.02 | disco_stu | certainly.. |
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| 15:03.30 | bobbytek | Anyone familiar with Nokia N810 Mozilla browser? |
| 15:05.26 | bobbytek | I'm trying to get a 3gp video playing inside the browser. Is that possible? |
| 15:05.47 | johnx | probably not |
| 15:05.54 | johnx | can you just download it? |
| 15:06.09 | bobbytek | well, we have a web page we are trying to display in the browser |
| 15:06.21 | bobbytek | We were hoping that this could embed a 3gp video |
| 15:06.28 | bobbytek | Right now it just opens with the media player |
| 15:06.37 | johnx | I think that's the best you can do |
| 15:06.46 | johnx | you could embed flash video but it would be slow |
| 15:06.57 | bobbytek | Well, embedding flash does work |
| 15:07.10 | bobbytek | Are you familiar with the device? |
| 15:07.15 | johnx | I have one, yes |
| 15:07.22 | bobbytek | Can't find much in the way of documentation |
| 15:07.36 | bobbytek | Just http://nokia.us/A4686332 |
| 15:08.00 | bobbytek | I notice the browser supports "components" |
| 15:08.00 | johnx | it comes with an instruction manual I think, and other than that there is wiki.maemo.org for advanced DIY type stuff |
| 15:08.22 | bobbytek | Don't know where I can get these components, and how to install them though :/ |
| 15:08.23 | johnx | yes, it supports normal netscape-stype plugins I believe |
| 15:08.37 | johnx | s/type/tyle/ |
| 15:08.44 | bobbytek | Hmm, you think there might be a plugin for 3gp? |
| 15:09.19 | johnx | probably not. maybe it would be possible to port mplayer-plugin? |
| 15:09.38 | bobbytek | hmm, I'm not that saavy :) |
| 15:11.59 | johnx | you could maybe find someone to do it for you :) |
| 15:12.11 | bobbytek | "He also thinks that Fennec will be unique because Firefox developers will be able to build add-ons for it." |
| 15:12.24 | bobbytek | http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=105865 |
| 15:12.33 | bobbytek | well, maybe if it comes to that :) |
| 15:13.06 | johnx | well, add-on is kind of a different thing than plug-in, but microb (the included browser) supports both |
| 15:13.16 | johnx | compoents = plugins |
| 15:13.20 | johnx | addons = extensions |
| 15:13.24 | bobbytek | I thought it was fennec? |
| 15:13.32 | bobbytek | ah |
| 15:13.41 | johnx | the included browser is "microb" |
| 15:13.55 | bobbytek | oh, that article seemed to suggest otherwise |
| 15:13.55 | johnx | also using the mozilla engine, but with a UI from Nokia |
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| 15:14.25 | johnx | right, there's two "mozilla-based" browsers |
| 15:14.33 | johnx | for the n8x0 |
| 15:14.51 | johnx | the one included on the device is the mozilla rendering engine (gecko) with a Nokia UI |
| 15:15.11 | johnx | fennec is now available for the device, which is gecko with a customized UI from Mozilla |
| 15:15.32 | bobbytek | so the n810 is mircob not fennec? |
| 15:15.46 | johnx | well you could run either one |
| 15:15.53 | johnx | microb is what comes pre-installed |
| 15:15.55 | bobbytek | I'm not sure which one I have :) |
| 15:15.58 | bobbytek | oh, okay |
| 15:16.09 | johnx | do you remember installing fennec? if not then you don't have it |
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| 15:16.30 | bobbytek | I have only looked at one this morning when my boss dropped it on my desk :) |
| 15:17.02 | bobbytek | "most Firefox plugins require porting and repackaging before they can be used with MicroB" |
| 15:17.07 | bobbytek | sadness |
| 15:17.26 | johnx | might not be too bad |
| 15:17.41 | bobbytek | well, I might have to yet |
| 15:17.51 | bobbytek | Thanks for your help johnx :) |
| 15:17.55 | bobbytek | Much appreciated |
| 15:17.56 | johnx | sure |
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| 15:23.00 | bradd | is /scratchbox/users/me/scratchbox supposed to be a link? |
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| 15:25.52 | bradd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.38 | mgedmin | bradd: it's supposed to be a directory |
| 15:26.52 | mgedmin | where /scratchbox is bind-mounted so it's visible inside the chroot |
| 15:27.28 | bradd | oh. I made my /scratchbox a symlink.. this is a problem i take it? |
| 15:27.44 | mgedmin | could be |
| 15:28.02 | mgedmin | I've no idea how that impacts mount --bind /scratchbox /scratchbox/users/me/scratchbox |
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| 15:33.16 | bradd | mgedmin, when I do the bind outside of the chroot, it seems to bind correctly |
| 15:33.38 | mgedmin | then it shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:33.43 | bradd | am I forgetting to start something else? after a fresh reboot I should just '/scratchbox/login' correct? |
| 15:34.00 | mgedmin | IIRC there's a scratchbox init.d script somewhere in /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:34.03 | mgedmin | that should be started |
| 15:34.30 | mgedmin | if not, you may need to manually do 'sudo sbox_ctl start' once after boot |
| 15:37.04 | bradd | mgedmin, ok, that works. I'm adding sbox_ctl start to my startup scripts |
| 15:37.07 | bradd | thanks |
| 15:39.28 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 15:41.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: still beating your head at h-i-m? |
| 15:42.24 | johnx | yup, got it built without maemo-launcher at least thanks to qwerty12 |
| 15:43.56 | r2d2rogers | hello Stskeeps |
| 15:44.06 | Stskeeps | lo r2d2rogers |
| 15:44.09 | bradd | could a missing "keybindings.rc" stop hildon-desktop from starting? |
| 15:44.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: alright |
| 15:44.31 | r2d2rogers | I still havn't been able to boot my cloned to MMC maemo since I started playing with deblet |
| 15:45.01 | Stskeeps | was this 770 or n8x0? |
| 15:45.04 | r2d2rogers | is there a way to get more info on the error? |
| 15:45.08 | r2d2rogers | 770 |
| 15:45.24 | Stskeeps | and OS2006/07HE/08HE? |
| 15:45.28 | r2d2rogers | 08HE |
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| 15:45.53 | Stskeeps | can i see your /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item? they should be in initfs |
| 15:46.03 | r2d2rogers | yup be a minute |
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| 15:47.00 | Stskeeps | right now i'm not fiddling much with deblet since we're having some amazing results with a proof of concept of "Maemo Reconstructed" |
| 15:47.06 | Stskeeps | which may pay off to 770s too |
| 15:47.13 | r2d2rogers | I like to hear about that <G> |
| 15:47.33 | r2d2rogers | I did get teh bluetooth working |
| 15:47.41 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed |
| 15:48.28 | RST38h | moos |
| 15:48.39 | Stskeeps | moo, RST38h |
| 15:48.44 | RST38h | qwerty,sts: hello |
| 15:48.59 | qwerty12 | hi RST38h |
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| 15:52.53 | r2d2rogers | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.15 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.ca/1260459 |
| 15:53.18 | johnx | hallo RST38h :D |
| 15:53.41 | RST38h | johnx: Heya. Looks like you won't have your wish about dragging plot in SlideRule after all |
| 15:53.45 | r2d2rogers | I know the last line is wrong, Stskeeps, but I was reading forum posts and trying to figure it out |
| 15:53.49 | johnx | RST38h, too difficult? |
| 15:54.09 | RST38h | johnx: I have found how to report motion events (with lcuk's help) but it takes enormous processing resources in GTK |
| 15:54.32 | johnx | really? I wonder how other things are doing it smoothly... |
| 15:54.36 | RST38h | And less expensive mode (offered by GTK+) does not seem to work |
| 15:54.47 | RST38h | johnx: Well, I have to redraw the damn plot... |
| 15:55.03 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: remove _LINUXRC line totally |
| 15:55.08 | johnx | well there's that I guess |
| 15:55.15 | Stskeeps | for the boot menu item |
| 15:55.19 | Stskeeps | for maemo |
| 15:55.21 | RST38h | johnx: And it is not cheap, even partially because I have to do tearing analysis |
| 15:55.40 | RST38h | johnx: I.e. 1/x gets torn at x=0 |
| 15:56.12 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: ok, done |
| 15:56.24 | r2d2rogers | all else looks right? |
| 15:56.25 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and then refresh_bootmenu.d i guess |
| 15:56.29 | r2d2rogers | k |
| 15:56.30 | Stskeeps | yeah, decently |
| 15:56.46 | r2d2rogers | I gues it has to be something on the cloned mmc then |
| 15:56.52 | r2d2rogers | will dig there |
| 15:57.09 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 15:57.22 | Stskeeps | well if you had linuxrc line at all, it definately wouldn't boot :) |
| 15:57.27 | r2d2rogers | right |
| 15:57.33 | r2d2rogers | it doesn't work either way |
| 15:57.47 | Stskeeps | did you update it in initfs? |
| 15:57.59 | r2d2rogers | so the issue seems to be with the OS on the MMC |
| 15:58.17 | r2d2rogers | I have before and I will again after I look at the stuff on the card |
| 15:58.57 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:59.05 | r2d2rogers | thanks for your help |
| 16:00.39 | Stskeeps | np |
| 16:01.56 | Stskeeps | ponders why he now he has -some- icons |
| 16:02.13 | johnx | because sdk-icons isn't complete? |
| 16:02.45 | Stskeeps | well |
| 16:03.00 | Stskeeps | i'm not getting your >> for instance |
| 16:03.12 | suihkulokki | iirc you need a mix of hicolor and sdk icons |
| 16:03.46 | Stskeeps | any of the dists that has done the hard work? :P |
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| 16:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, I think karma is officially stuck again. <_< |
| 16:11.50 | RST38h | karma whore! |
| 16:12.00 | RST38h | BTW, I sitll do not see itt thanks section in my profile |
| 16:12.12 | RST38h | It is counted into the total, seemingly, but not shown |
| 16:12.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'm missing mediawiki edits. |
| 16:12.37 | RST38h | It is random - a week ago I missed other sections as well |
| 16:13.32 | Stskeeps | heh, funny about the resemblance between tablets and star trek PADDs.. :P |
| 16:14.13 | Stskeeps | n900 will probably be released at same time as the new star trek movie.. that would be cheesy |
| 16:14.21 | RST38h | thinks StarTrek pad is what we will end up with anyway |
| 16:14.23 | GeneralAntilles | December? |
| 16:14.38 | Stskeeps | true, a bit too early |
| 16:14.38 | RST38h | So why wriggle? :) |
| 16:14.49 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah.. that's my vision of tablets too really |
| 16:15.09 | RST38h | The UI may end up being a bit different but not by much |
| 16:15.25 | Stskeeps | we have LCARS already.. :P |
| 16:15.45 | RST38h | I will only be satisfied when we get real deathrays though |
| 16:15.50 | Stskeeps | i mean .. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Sarah_Sisko_reconstruction.jpg |
| 16:15.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:16.17 | Stskeeps | which reminds me i should bury myself in one of the star trek series again sometime |
| 16:16.26 | RST38h | prefers Dr Who |
| 16:16.42 | johnx | gah, I always thought the PADDs looked horribly unusable |
| 16:17.02 | RST38h | johnx: They have been designed by professional ergonomics people though |
| 16:17.18 | johnx | professional just means they get paid |
| 16:17.20 | mgedmin | if I hold that thing with both hands, what do I use to manipulate things displayed on it? |
| 16:17.33 | mgedmin | where's the integrated kickstand? |
| 16:17.42 | RST38h | mgedmin: Do you REALLY want this question answered? |
| 16:18.13 | RST38h | Well, you are probably supposed to place it into a console niche and use it there |
| 16:18.34 | GeneralAntilles | I always found it funny that they insisted on passing the things around like paper reports |
| 16:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | rather than having a personal unit that has access to all data. |
| 16:18.59 | mavhc | I think that's because it's a tv show, from the 80s |
| 16:19.11 | mavhc | or 60s |
| 16:19.19 | RST38h | General: Remember, that was *pre* networking |
| 16:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | 1990s? |
| 16:19.38 | johnx | late 80s |
| 16:19.38 | RST38h | PADD appeared in the Next Generation |
| 16:19.53 | RST38h | That is late 80s. RS232, at best coaxial Ethernet |
| 16:20.08 | RST38h | No wireless. Maybe some inductive technology |
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| 16:20.23 | johnx | when were the first satellite phones again? |
| 16:20.36 | RST38h | about the same time but it is not the same thing |
| 16:20.37 | mavhc | the display appeared in TNG, the device was in tos |
| 16:21.31 | RST38h | Soviet buses did have inductive communications (with little loop antennas installed at the bus stops) around that time |
| 16:21.50 | RST38h | But I do not think this stuff was mainstream anywhere in the world |
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| 16:23.52 | dmsuperman | So any news on a new n800/n810 successor yet? |
| 16:24.11 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA |
| 16:24.12 | qwerty12 | says a massive thank you to "rafi" |
| 16:24.44 | dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles: I meant like an n900. I like the nokia line |
| 16:25.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, like I said: OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA |
| 16:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | That's the extent of what we know |
| 16:25.24 | dmsuperman | Oh I see |
| 16:25.29 | GeneralAntilles | current speculations says it'll be released around Summer 2009 |
| 16:25.38 | GeneralAntilles | based on the release schedule for the alpha and beta SDK |
| 16:26.16 | dmsuperman | Mmmmmm |
| 16:26.29 | johnx | infobot, n900 is OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA, Maemo 5 (Fremantle), probably Summer 2009 (or later) |
| 16:26.29 | infobot | johnx: okay |
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| 16:28.40 | Stskeeps | wonders who else is marked as lead users at nokia since lcuk was on the list for a n900 :P |
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| 16:30.29 | Stskeeps | continues fighting plankton |
| 16:33.20 | Stskeeps | (which is about just as fun irl as it is on tablets.) |
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| 16:36.46 | johnx | ah the horrible plankton wars of 1934 |
| 16:37.30 | qwerty12 | Plankton's ugly :P |
| 16:37.30 | lardman | Plankton vs Barton & Beebe? |
| 16:37.38 | hahlobit | is it sure that n900 comes out? |
| 16:38.13 | johnx | hahlobit, we know nokia is making something that will run maemo but isn't a phone. they haven't said anything else |
| 16:38.26 | johnx | "n900" is just what people outside nokia call it |
| 16:38.37 | hahlobit | ok |
| 16:39.22 | X-Fade | johnx: And it isn't an internet tablet either ;) |
| 16:39.35 | johnx | right, saw that much from ITT |
| 16:39.35 | hahlobit | has these tablets sell well? |
| 16:39.44 | johnx | your marketing guy is realyl spilling the beans :P |
| 16:40.06 | Stskeeps | i guess he's real, but he's quite open mouthed |
| 16:40.13 | qwerty12 | aint complaining |
| 16:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that's Quim's boss. |
| 16:40.41 | hahlobit | they pulled away ngage even many people liked it |
| 16:40.42 | Stskeeps | oh boy |
| 16:41.03 | X-Fade | He knows what he is talking about, be sure about that ;) |
| 16:41.03 | johnx | yeah, what will all the side-talkers do now? |
| 16:41.12 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i guess that means less rumours :( |
| 16:41.29 | Stskeeps | and more facts.. rumours are more fun |
| 16:41.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:41.43 | qwerty12 | hahlobit, N-gage lives on in the N-gage platform that runs on normal looking phones :P |
| 16:42.19 | johnx | jeez that thing was hideous |
| 16:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, think it'll be reasonable to mothball osv-c in favor of m-r in the medium-term? |
| 16:42.38 | qwerty12 | johnx, mine lives in pieces :P |
| 16:43.02 | johnx | define medium term? |
| 16:43.05 | hahlobit | ngagers waited accelerated wifi phone but got nothing |
| 16:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | 1-3 months |
| 16:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | osv-c is a semi-positive spin on what sort of amounts to a dead platform |
| 16:44.08 | GeneralAntilles | m-r is a much more positive (if more complicated) new direction |
| 16:44.11 | Stskeeps | "The N-gage also suffered from a memory management issue causing a "White Screen of Death,"" heh |
| 16:44.32 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, really? Mine was overclocked and I never had a WSOD on it :/ |
| 16:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | Given limited resources and the inertia that's already behind m-r. ;) |
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| 16:44.43 | hahlobit | ain't here any nokia people who could tell for sure about n900 |
| 16:44.45 | johnx | what is osv-c again? |
| 16:44.59 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: if we can put the idea into more executive language and say we're not directly targeting fremantle, but harmattan maybe |
| 16:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | hahlobit, yeah, if they want to lose their jobs and get sued. |
| 16:45.10 | lardman | hahlobit: I'm sure there are, but they wouldn;t remain employed for long... |
| 16:45.22 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_Community_distribution |
| 16:45.35 | hahlobit | ok |
| 16:45.36 | Stskeeps | and fremantle as things that needs to be fixed ideally between alpha and beta of fremantle |
| 16:45.47 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, m-r without the platform overhaul. |
| 16:45.49 | johnx | has anyone stepped up to actualyl build it? |
| 16:45.56 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, so far, no. |
| 16:46.03 | johnx | do you think that will change? |
| 16:46.08 | GeneralAntilles | jott sorta dropped off the face of the planet after I started pushing the idea. |
| 16:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | Seems unlikely at this point |
| 16:46.24 | GeneralAntilles | and I'd rather see any effort that might go there put to m-r instead. |
| 16:46.44 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'd like to wait until alpha SDK comes out to start really pushing |
| 16:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, fair enough. |
| 16:46.58 | hahlobit | would n900 got 3d accelerating? |
| 16:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | hahlobit, yes. |
| 16:47.05 | johnx | it's easier to stay off the public radar right now |
| 16:47.10 | hahlobit | good |
| 16:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | hahlobit, can decode 720p, too. |
| 16:47.17 | lardman | what's the deal with the n8x0 driver anyway....? |
| 16:47.19 | Stskeeps | johnx: proof of concept yeah |
| 16:47.51 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and when we have actual practical and reasonable results or close to, a push is good |
| 16:47.57 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, fair enough, but if you could think on it. ;) |
| 16:48.42 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, looking at osv-c, I'm not sure what it's really trying to solve |
| 16:49.01 | lardman | bbl |
| 16:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, Nokia's messed up idea of what the "OS" includes. |
| 16:49.15 | Pavlov | heh |
| 16:49.37 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so is this going to be a meta package installed after flashing? or a flashable image? |
| 16:49.57 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, an easy and clean way for users to start using all of the neat community hacks and open-source replacements for Nokia's stuff. |
| 16:50.21 | GeneralAntilles | I was planning on a side-grade from osv to osv-c on installed systems. |
| 16:50.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's a lot of what m-r does, but without the platform revamp and much more limited in scope. |
| 16:52.08 | johnx | in the short-medium term a quick package that replaces/provides osso-software-version-unlocked and depends on less stuff would make some sense I guess |
| 16:52.14 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: btw what was it sardine was supposed to be? i keep on finding references |
| 16:52.34 | johnx | it was supposed to be beta versions released as source only for people to play with |
| 16:52.42 | johnx | I guess no one picked up so it was canceled? |
| 16:52.57 | Stskeeps | it also seems a little like m-r though, though pushed from nokia's side |
| 16:53.06 | Stskeeps | with build scripts and everything |
| 16:53.14 | johnx | ah, interesting |
| 16:53.19 | GeneralAntilles | It would've been useful if they had actually used it. |
| 16:53.32 | johnx | well the idea being that anyone could use it |
| 16:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | But it seemed like more of a half-cocked plan from a few Nokians rather than a real concerted effort. |
| 16:54.01 | johnx | I think the problem of an osv-c distro is that no one wants to pour their time into forking further from debuntu |
| 16:54.15 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: my current plan is that we finish this PoC, take the experiences into a plan to form a platform from |
| 16:54.26 | Stskeeps | and start building stuff and such |
| 16:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, it isn't much more than changing the dependencies on a meta-package and playing with some other packages that'll be useful without osv-c anyway (like bootmenu) |
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| 16:57.05 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and based on the experiences its a hope that we can start getting people more interested from nokia.. but we'll see |
| 16:57.06 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, in that case is there a real tangible advantage to lumping all the OSS pieces together vs just letting people install what they want? |
| 16:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, makes stuff like rotation and bootmenu a lot easier |
| 16:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | as well as patched Hildon-* stuff |
| 16:59.53 | qwerty12 | I could make a jffs2 image but I get the feeling that Nokia will merc me if I distribute it |
| 17:00.12 | johnx | qwerty12, nope. We've got qgil saying they won't |
| 17:00.23 | johnx | want the link? :) |
| 17:00.37 | qwerty12 | Yeah please :) |
| 17:00.37 | Stskeeps | does marketing trumph lawyers? |
| 17:00.40 | johnx | the problem being SSUs |
| 17:00.47 | johnx | that's what I wondered |
| 17:01.36 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=233546&highlight=sue#post233546 |
| 17:01.41 | qwerty12 | johnx, how's the quest with hildon input method going? :/ |
| 17:01.43 | qwerty12 | thanks |
| 17:01.58 | johnx | qwerty12, well your second configure.ac went great. :D |
| 17:02.08 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
| 17:02.21 | johnx | and I think it's coming down to missing libatk somehow O_o |
| 17:02.27 | johnx | or strace thinks so |
| 17:04.31 | johnx | nm, I read it wrong |
| 17:05.55 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, is 128 correct erasesize for rootfs too? |
| 17:06.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'm actually not sure, look what fanoush does? |
| 17:06.44 | qwerty12 | fanoush uses 128 for initfs too |
| 17:06.58 | qwerty12 | ah well, proc/mtd lists the same number for both rootfs & initfs |
| 17:07.40 | johnx | ah, I do wonder :) |
| 17:08.15 | Stskeeps | reads up on bzr |
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| 17:14.10 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: "Maemo Reconstructed" is against trademark policy if we called something Maemo Reconstructed PoC, isn't it? |
| 17:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 17:14.33 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:14.38 | johnx | mame-o reconstructed? |
| 17:14.59 | qwerty12 | Maeho Reconstructed |
| 17:15.01 | johnx | or is that maim? |
| 17:15.06 | Stskeeps | hah |
| 17:15.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | No Nokia Bullshit |
| 17:15.34 | johnx | "some Nokia bullshit, where we couldn't be arsed to do something better" |
| 17:15.37 | johnx | kinda long though |
| 17:15.57 | qwerty12 | |\/|@|\/|0 Reconstructed |
| 17:16.09 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm thinking to use launchpad for next stage |
| 17:17.04 | Stskeeps | (is there any movement on collaboration task?) |
| 17:17.13 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, not really. |
| 17:17.19 | GeneralAntilles | Feel free to jump in, though. |
| 17:17.22 | Stskeeps | i did |
| 17:17.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:17.57 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i think we can use M-R for experimental collaboration too |
| 17:17.58 | derf | pÇÊÉnɹÊsuoÉÇɹ oɯÇÉɯ. See, it's not at the beginning anymore. |
| 17:18.11 | Stskeeps | O_o |
| 17:20.06 | Stskeeps | hmm @ https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208 |
| 17:21.52 | johnx | will that be a problem? I don't think we can re-distribute closed source stuff anyways |
| 17:22.00 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 17:26.25 | Stskeeps | "As this seems to be in the Desktop area and a non-critical issue (hence by |
| 17:26.25 | Stskeeps | default a WONTFIX for Desktop as far as I understand" |
| 17:26.25 | Stskeeps | huh? :P |
| 17:26.58 | johnx | is that your pet bug? |
| 17:27.03 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:27.09 | Stskeeps | atleast eero suggested a sane thing |
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| 17:27.59 | Stskeeps | which i hope gets adapted |
| 17:29.50 | johnx | so Desktop category is a WONTFIX by default? |
| 17:30.21 | johnx | that totally won't lead to priority inflation :/ |
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| 17:33.34 | derf | cd |
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| 17:34.51 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://rafb.net/p/ecrqo529.html review? |
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| 17:35.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: i kinda wondered about that too, but at least it seems like eero saw the sanity of it |
| 17:36.18 | qwerty12 | Cool, advanced-backlight seems not to require any extra dependencies ;) |
| 17:38.44 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, s/It is a/It is an/ |
| 17:38.55 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, drop a space in there after Hildon between Hildon( |
| 17:39.05 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:40.34 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 17:42.15 | Stskeeps | guillem did a proper answer |
| 17:43.08 | Stskeeps | is satisfied with that answer and that they reflected on it |
| 17:48.27 | thopiekar | Could someone please tell me how to fixx my problem with garage.maemo (SVN) and eclipse? When I use the "new-project" wizard it doesn't show me any folder on my svn... what can I do? |
| 17:52.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: https://launchpad.net/m-r |
| 17:53.29 | johnx | looks good |
| 17:53.35 | johnx | guess we're all big and official now :) |
| 17:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, bergie, bergie. . . . |
| 17:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | Capitalizing maemo.org. . . . |
| 17:56.23 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think we'll branch the packages on stage probably |
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| 17:57.43 | johnx | and put some nice orig.tar.gz files into a proper debian source repo? |
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| 17:58.51 | Stskeeps | probably yeah :P |
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| 17:59.02 | Stskeeps | well i'm reading a bit up onthis |
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| 18:01.00 | lcuk | RST38h, have a mouseisbusy flag and only refresh 1/10 of the plot lines when in motion |
| 18:01.07 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i like the fact theres a list |
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| 18:04.42 | Stskeeps | johnx: made an account yet? |
| 18:04.48 | johnx | not yet |
| 18:04.54 | johnx | hang on :P |
| 18:04.56 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 18:06.46 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yours worked so it looked correct and not the black shadow of death? |
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| 18:08.25 | Meiz_n810 | what black shadow of death? |
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| 18:08.57 | Meiz_n810 | advanced-backlight? |
| 18:09.10 | Stskeeps | the icons problem |
| 18:09.23 | Stskeeps | it looks like johnx's scrshot? |
| 18:09.36 | Meiz_n810 | your new plankton theme worked with me |
| 18:09.50 | johnx | I'm finding out more about icons too |
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| 18:09.59 | johnx | will sum it up in a sec |
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| 18:10.26 | Meiz_n810 | before installing i dpkg -r hildon-theme-plankton and rm -r /usr/share/themes/plankton |
| 18:11.18 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 18:11.40 | johnx | looks like most (all?) of the icons in hildon-icons (/usr/share/icons/hildon) are actually part of the individual themes on os2008 |
| 18:11.47 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:11.56 | Meiz_n810 | have you uploaded more scrshots, johnx? |
| 18:12.07 | johnx | Meiz_n810, nope |
| 18:12.13 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 18:12.17 | johnx | also, the default gtk theme folder is linked to /usr/share/themes/default |
| 18:12.36 | johnx | I think there might be some config file or variable pointing to the default theme as well |
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| 18:12.53 | Meiz_n810 | matchbox seems to lag |
| 18:13.40 | Meiz_n810 | hildon-control-panel appears to be small box in top corner... |
| 18:14.33 | Stskeeps | yeah, i had similar problem |
| 18:14.43 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: we arent on the fastest X right now |
| 18:14.52 | Stskeeps | cos of it not doing updates on its own |
| 18:15.53 | Meiz_n810 | i remember u-m start-hildon script had more options in matchbox-line... |
| 18:16.37 | hahlobit | does these usb dvb sticks work in maemo if they work in pc-linux? |
| 18:17.26 | qwerty12 | hahlobit, if dvb-h : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=153348 |
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| 18:18.04 | hahlobit | ok thanks |
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| 18:19.51 | Stskeeps | flash count, 124mb |
| 18:25.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: is your home screen black with no window decorations too, and nothing on left side too? is it cos it's missing a background or? |
| 18:26.08 | johnx | nothing on the left side? you mean nothing is visible? or the panel isn't there? |
| 18:26.32 | johnx | also, there should be the menu icon in the middle left |
| 18:26.38 | Stskeeps | yeah, there is |
| 18:27.03 | Meiz_n810 | window decorations crash when i open the menu |
| 18:27.06 | Stskeeps | ok, i guess it's just a lack of wallpaper |
| 18:27.18 | johnx | yeah, it's saying it can't find the wallpaper file |
| 18:27.22 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:27.28 | johnx | I didn't worry about it for now |
| 18:28.11 | Stskeeps | yeah, i just freaked, until i realized it was actually transparent |
| 18:28.24 | Stskeeps | heh, http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/files/2007/02/hildon-desktop-scaled.jpg |
| 18:28.26 | Stskeeps | neat photo |
| 18:28.41 | johnx | and there's the "two overlapping windows icon" visible on the middle left, correct? |
| 18:29.05 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 18:32.03 | johnx | yeah, that is a really neat look. too bad that version of hildon-desktop apparently got nowhere |
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| 18:40.33 | Stskeeps | heh, ten bucks thats where the inspiration for netbooks came from.. |
| 18:40.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:41.20 | johnx | which is funny because linux netbooks tend to have a much worse UI :) |
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| 18:42.46 | johnx | Xomap installs just fine alongside Xorg, right? |
| 18:43.37 | Meizirkki | Window decorations crash immediately after clicking some app on menu |
| 18:43.46 | Meizirkki | before it they work |
| 18:43.49 | Meizirkki | weird |
| 18:44.09 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, think so |
| 18:44.43 | johnx | nm, I guess all I need is the binary anyways |
| 18:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, resolution independence is on the roadmap somewhere along the line. |
| 18:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | Though, actually, an m-r release with a hildon-desktop like that for netbooks would be pretty bitchin'. |
| 18:48.15 | johnx | yeah, a little sub-optimial with a mouse present I think |
| 18:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | It looks really classy scaled up like that, though. |
| 18:48.54 | johnx | it really does. I kinda miss plankton :) |
| 18:49.06 | johnx | I have my own GUI ideas though |
| 18:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the new plankton leaves a lot to be desired. :( |
| 18:49.22 | johnx | I doubt I could convince anyone to code them though |
| 18:49.33 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i plan to build for i386 too at work :P |
| 18:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | I really want a netbook with Hildon now. <_< |
| 18:50.53 | lcuk | the applications running on a desktop/mouse driven system wont feel right will they? what works on a 5cm screen scales up as big and dopey |
| 18:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | Well, scaling to 7" or 9" isn't that much. |
| 18:52.09 | johnx | scaling from touch to mouse is the one that gets you |
| 18:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 18:52.29 | lcuk | yeah, kinetics with a mouse is wrong |
| 18:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | But for a touchscreen netbook, maybe. . . . |
| 18:52.56 | johnx | I'll tell you a secret: touchscreen on a notebook form factor kinda sucks |
| 18:52.57 | lcuk | mmmmmm touchscreen slates :) |
| 18:53.05 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, I'll bet. |
| 18:53.22 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, made an half "osv" jffs2 image: http://pastebin.com/d1de3ca7b |
| 18:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | I should say, with one of those interesting, but impossible to build or sell screen rotating designs. |
| 18:53.25 | lcuk | yeah johnx, it feels incomplete and is deffo a for the sake of it |
| 18:53.42 | lcuk | johnx, have you seen the eee desktop touchscreen model |
| 18:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | still thinks touch on a desktop is rather retarded. |
| 18:53.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, you mean the fujitsu loox and the zaurus? |
| 18:54.04 | lcuk | its a monitor replacement - all in one jobbie, but includes mouse and keyboard for normal use |
| 18:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah. |
| 18:54.15 | johnx | lcuk, nope, but I played with a touchsmart the other day |
| 18:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, hit the documentation and bundled media stuff? |
| 18:54.39 | lcuk | http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/653/860/-/7728112/Asus-Eee-All-In-One-Touch-Screen-PC-ETP1602-WT-X0010-Intel-Atom-1-6GHz-1GB-160GB-15-6-Wide-Panel-Touch-Screen-Windows-XP-Home-Desktop-PC/Product.html?searchtype=genre |
| 18:54.46 | johnx | wasn't all that bad actually. i can imagine writing notes on it while it's hanging on the wall, or maybe sitting at it like an eazel? |
| 18:55.30 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, This is just an N800 testing rootfs image. I could do it but it's kind of pointless at this stage imo# |
| 18:55.46 | johnx | the problem with touch notebooks is two fold: 1) that you're writing on something upright 2) that the screen moves when you poke it |
| 18:55.48 | lcuk | johnx, i want to replace my current monitor with a touch, not for normal use, but as you say for extension activities, my tablet sits between keyboard and monitor and i keep wanting to extend my touch up |
| 18:55.56 | johnx | IMHO 2) is the killer, not 1) |
| 18:55.58 | qwerty12 | I'll set up hrw's qemu emulation again tomorrow and test that image |
| 18:57.22 | johnx | it would be nice to see decent sized slate |
| 18:57.46 | lcuk | yeah johnx :) big brother |
| 18:58.14 | johnx | a convertible tablet is close, but definitely not thin and light |
| 18:58.31 | johnx | people are really comfortable with the notebook layout though |
| 18:58.44 | lcuk | doesnt have to be as long as they are synced up, i can get things done on small one and use the additional space on the larger one to expand on ideas |
| 18:59.14 | johnx | but *I* want thin and light :P |
| 18:59.32 | lcuk | gives johnx a piece of paper and space age pencil |
| 18:59.53 | johnx | how about a beagleboard with a 10" screen and make the rest batteries :) |
| 19:00.55 | johnx | ahaha...I can actually imagine prototyping it in wood :) |
| 19:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, a bit like trying to tap on an N800 with the kickstand out on a smooth surface? ;) |
| 19:00.58 | lcuk | well a large form factor omap would be desirable |
| 19:01.04 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, worse |
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| 19:01.29 | johnx | not only does your notebook move, but the screen also tilts back |
| 19:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | What was that Magnum tablet that was on Engadget for April Fool's? |
| 19:01.38 | lcuk | i hate that stand i cant even use it when its up |
| 19:01.41 | lcuk | its only for watching |
| 19:01.55 | johnx | loves his stand |
| 19:02.08 | lcuk | hits johnx on the head with his wooden crate |
| 19:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | The stand is pretty much the best thing ever invented. |
| 19:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/05/the-gigantic-htc-magnum-is-convenient-inconspicuous/ johnx |
| 19:02.23 | johnx | actually my 10" tablet prototype idea would be a close relative of the lcuk wooden n810 case |
| 19:03.00 | lcuk | hahaha GeneralAntilles actually, there was a crackberry storm that size in the phone shop at weekend, jakey was pressing the buttons |
| 19:03.19 | lcuk | johnx, i want more tablet in that form factor, but i need a decent bezel still |
| 19:05.04 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, your picture still makes me laugh |
| 19:05.45 | qwerty12 | likes it. It puts me under the impression that GeneralAntilles has a nice side :P |
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| 19:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's more effective when you jump between the old and new. |
| 19:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehehe |
| 19:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | pats qwerty12_N800 gently on the shoulder. |
| 19:07.39 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
| 19:08.29 | GAN800 | lcuk, sadly I haven't yet collected any interesting data. ;) |
| 19:09.14 | lcuk | its making a difference now, people the world over just wont argue with a guy who puts his laid face on the chan |
| 19:11.13 | RST38h | ehlo again |
| 19:11.30 | RST38h | what's new and exciting? |
| 19:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, maybe I'll start world peace? ;) |
| 19:12.10 | lcuk | <lcuk> RST38h, have a mouseisbusy flag and only refresh 1/10 of the plot lines when in motion |
| 19:12.51 | lcuk | hippy |
| 19:14.25 | RST38h | lcuk: aha |
| 19:14.44 | RST38h | lcuk: already have the flag. can't refresh 1/10 plot lines |
| 19:14.51 | lcuk | why not? |
| 19:15.16 | RST38h | lcuk: it's not a bitmap |
| 19:15.37 | RST38h | have to do computations on the fly *and* some symbolic analysis Mathematica-style |
| 19:16.23 | lcuk | yeah, but just draw less detail.. ie instead of calulating 800 points only calc 10 |
| 19:16.45 | lcuk | 80 ^ |
| 19:17.13 | RST38h | yes but it will look shitty =) |
| 19:17.38 | lcuk | then as soon as you have stopped it renders again |
| 19:17.47 | lcuk | people will understand |
| 19:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | takes another swing at https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com |
| 19:18.06 | lcuk | 1/10 might be too much, just see if its worth a limit |
| 19:18.13 | derf | Hmm, Carmn looks neat, but $170 for a BT OBD-II reader seems a bit steep. |
| 19:18.16 | derf | *Carman |
| 19:18.24 | johnx | car stuff = expensive |
| 19:18.27 | RST38h | There is one starting at $57 |
| 19:18.37 | johnx | a real ODBII reader is a lot worse |
| 19:18.40 | RST38h | johnx: Like...like...ENGINES! |
| 19:18.47 | Meizirkki | what is the command i can take scr shots from console? |
| 19:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | derf, they discount them every so often |
| 19:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | Sign up for their mailing list if you want to wait for a sale. |
| 19:19.00 | johnx | RST38h, oh the stories I could tell O_o |
| 19:19.02 | derf | Well, normally it is $200. |
| 19:19.09 | RST38h | lcuk: Anyway, I gave up for now. But the good thing is, I have made digit keys work without Fx |
| 19:19.22 | lcuk | nice |
| 19:19.24 | GeneralAntilles | It could be cheaper to get the RS232 adaptor and then an serial to BT adaptor. |
| 19:19.28 | lcuk | that is a good thing indeed |
| 19:19.50 | RST38h | General: Anything that *hangs* inside a car is a bad idea |
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| 19:19.58 | RST38h | Will get broken sooner or later |
| 19:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I routed mine up under the dash. |
| 19:20.16 | RST38h | smart |
| 19:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | The port is right between the drivers knees |
| 19:20.46 | RST38h | isn't that skillfull though. Would just plug the thing into ODB port under the glove box |
| 19:20.47 | mgedmin | wondered for a while what debian's minimalistic shell had to do with routing |
| 19:20.48 | zakkm | is "tear" web browser any good? |
| 19:20.52 | zakkm | compared to the builtin one |
| 19:21.00 | GeneralAntilles | I just disconnected it from the plastic and insinuated it into a wiring harness. |
| 19:21.09 | Meizirkki | it is good, but i still prefer microb |
| 19:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | It wasn't particularly difficult with my Camry. |
| 19:21.18 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's early alpha |
| 19:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | My dad's old Volvo had the port in the center console storage unit. |
| 19:21.37 | RST38h | wouldn't do that to any of the three Camrys in his life |
| 19:21.41 | lcuk | is this car diagnostics module bidirectional? |
| 19:21.43 | zakkm | trying to find new things to tryout on my nokia ;p |
| 19:21.44 | RST38h | Scary stuff |
| 19:21.47 | lcuk | can you feed stuff back to it? |
| 19:21.49 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, do what? |
| 19:21.56 | GeneralAntilles | Disconnect a couple plastic clips? |
| 19:22.02 | RST38h | General: Route stuff under the dashboard |
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| 19:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | Wasn't particularly exciting. |
| 19:22.28 | johnx | RST38h, oh, you *need* a project car :) |
| 19:22.52 | GeneralAntilles | I stuck XLE foglights on my LE Camry, though, so maybe I'm atypical. :P |
| 19:23.17 | johnx | replaces alternators in the rain, in the dark |
| 19:23.30 | johnx | ahaha...then drives in the dark when they disconnect and short out :D |
| 19:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:23.48 | lcuk | i might repalce my read lights with a pair of n8x0s |
| 19:23.51 | lcuk | rear |
| 19:23.53 | lcuk | replace |
| 19:23.55 | lcuk | ffs |
| 19:24.34 | GeneralAntilles | I <3 my crappy FWD car. :P http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/sweetride.jpg |
| 19:24.35 | lcuk | hahahahahahahaha |
| 19:24.45 | johnx | nothing like suddenly having all the electrics and power equipment (sterring breaks) on your car die on a dark windy road |
| 19:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, what, not manual steering? :P |
| 19:25.43 | johnx | well it turned *into* manual un-boosted steering |
| 19:25.44 | johnx | I believe in *some* comforts :) |
| 19:25.47 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, im laughing at the picture comment |
| 19:25.55 | lcuk | in the cool thread |
| 19:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | Cool thread? |
| 19:26.50 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242916&postcount=8 |
| 19:27.11 | johnx | gah, I should add a real avatar to ITT, huh? |
| 19:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Ehehe |
| 19:27.21 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, stupid grin! |
| 19:27.28 | johnx | got one lined up :) |
| 19:27.34 | GeneralAntilles | Jaiku? |
| 19:27.41 | johnx | the same |
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| 19:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | I should probably replace my Jaiku avatar, too. |
| 19:27.56 | GeneralAntilles | But I just love those sunglasses. |
| 19:28.06 | Myrtti | Jaiku ⥠|
| 19:32.24 | RST38h | johnx: Replacing headlights on an '84 Camry in freezing rain - will it qualify as a project? |
| 19:32.40 | GeneralAntilles | Headlights or headlight bulbs? :P |
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| 19:32.54 | RST38h | headlights, '84 camry had modular lights |
| 19:35.42 | Stskeeps | johnx: so - how do we go around m-r iteration 2? start "all over again", bzr branch a hildon package, bzr commit locally till it's done and compiling, bzr push to personal branch|team branch|project branch, hint builder boxes to build packages for the branch which then uploads to repo and adds? |
| 19:36.33 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1951/monkeylol1oi4pw0pdna8.jpg |
| 19:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | Creepy monkey |
| 19:37.06 | lcuk | monkey got fscked too |
| 19:37.43 | lcuk | Myrtti, isnt jaiku just irc for web2.0 |
| 19:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | and lazy people |
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| 19:38.49 | zakkm | do any of you guys use the stylus, or just use a thumb'/fingers ? |
| 19:39.00 | GeneralAntilles | I hardly ever use my stylus these days |
| 19:39.03 | johnx | eep backlog |
| 19:39.04 | GeneralAntilles | Only for sketching |
| 19:39.12 | johnx | Stskeeps, yes, that seems like a great workflow |
| 19:39.12 | Myrtti | lcuk: don't mock it, I found a boyfriend just two months ago in Jaiku |
| 19:39.20 | johnx | RST38h, I mean a whole *car* that's a *project* :) |
| 19:39.31 | lcuk | Myrtti, not knocking it at all :) im a member and use it etc |
| 19:39.36 | johnx | lcuk, it's for people who want some permanence to the record |
| 19:39.48 | johnx | zakkm, no stylus from the beginning |
| 19:40.10 | lcuk | johnx, not really any difference to now |
| 19:40.16 | lcuk | everything we are saying is in google |
| 19:40.47 | johnx | I think there's something more to it, think of it as a high pass filter built in, and a more specific topic |
| 19:41.05 | Myrtti | it's better than twitter and identica in that it does threads |
| 19:41.17 | Myrtti | and you can ignore the rss-feeds of others selectively |
| 19:41.24 | lcuk | heh, it leaks information though (in a good way) the cross talk makes it interesting |
| 19:41.36 | lcuk | from your personal irc channel it expands nicely |
| 19:41.59 | Myrtti | the leaking is configurable |
| 19:42.05 | Myrtti | you can set yourself to private... |
| 19:42.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: will also make it possible for people to easily contribute and so on i guess |
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| 19:43.31 | lcuk | i really like the mauku integration :) |
| 19:43.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: .. and if this doesn't have a great effect on nokia, we can always turn the project into being called Mer (ocean) :P |
| 19:44.03 | Stskeeps | .. or bitch, if told in danish.. |
| 19:44.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:44.17 | johnx | ahaha |
| 19:44.32 | johnx | now that is finally a name I can really get behind |
| 19:45.12 | Stskeeps | or the direct translation, "More" |
| 19:45.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:45.55 | lcuk | Myrtti, i hope you didnt mblog whilst on first date |
| 19:46.42 | Myrtti | no, but he did take a picture of me looking at the present he gave me... |
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| 19:47.25 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: any objections against M-R changing name to Mer? :> |
| 19:47.53 | emma_goldstein | is there anyone running "labyrinth" on actual diablo (python 2.5.2) ? I got "importing gconf"-error |
| 19:48.05 | lcuk | Myrtti, tsk tsk so was it the present that won your heart then |
| 19:48.58 | Myrtti | lcuk: yeah, an O'Reilly Pocket Guide on vim (as I'm an emacs user) and he also flashed my N95 with new firmware as he had Windows laptop with Nokia Update tool and I run only Linux... |
| 19:49.06 | johnx | also, it's a great onomatopoeia: "What should we call it?" "Uhm, Mer, I dunno." |
| 19:49.14 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:49.15 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i don't care much about the name =P |
| 19:49.19 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:49.34 | Myrtti | what can I say. |
| 19:49.36 | lcuk | but how on earth could you date a windows user :P |
| 19:49.53 | Myrtti | lcuk: work laptop... he uses Gentoo and Mac in personal use |
| 19:49.54 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: isn't giving an emacs user a guide on vim like challenging someone to a duel? .. |
| 19:50.12 | lcuk | it seems to have worked |
| 19:50.30 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: I actually need vim from time to time when I work on servers that don't have other editors. |
| 19:50.40 | Myrtti | so the pocket reference actually came in handy |
| 19:50.58 | Myrtti | I do have emacs one of course as well. |
| 19:51.51 | lcuk | you must have big pockets, or a mary poppins handbag |
| 19:52.33 | Myrtti | of course I have a huge handbag... |
| 19:53.51 | lcuk | you women are all the same, my missus just got a *bigger* bag, its like the frikkin tardis |
| 19:54.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ocean_surface_wave_icon.svg <- this pretty much illustrates our fight with maemo/hildon.. |
| 19:54.45 | solarion | "you women are all the same" |
| 19:54.53 | solarion | smacks lcuk until sense trickles in |
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| 19:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | Does anybody else get absolutely massive text on wiki commons? |
| 19:55.07 | Myrtti | lcuk: I keep my pocket guides in my laptop backpack, though |
| 19:55.15 | solarion | that said, a tarids-back would be freakin' schweet |
| 19:55.18 | lcuk | its ok, im used to gettin smacked about |
| 19:55.19 | solarion | bag |
| 19:55.28 | johnx | You hu-mans are all the same, you all have two legs! what's up with that? |
| 19:55.49 | johnx | Stskeeps, I was thinking more like this: http://www.theartofdredging.com/rogue-wave.jpg |
| 19:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | dies trying to coerce this wikitable into submission. |
| 19:55.54 | solarion | will refrain from the humourous reply that just about flew from his fingertips |
| 19:55.59 | qwerty12_N800 | solarion, yer, getting smacked is common in the north, lcuk don't mind :p |
| 19:56.07 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:56.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: haha |
| 19:57.21 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah.. that quaifies as a "watch out for us" :P |
| 19:57.23 | Stskeeps | +l |
| 19:57.31 | lcuk | johnx, http://www.flickr.com/photos/13964815@N00/99491056/ |
| 19:58.32 | zakkm | does the theme maker work on mac? |
| 19:59.37 | johnx | it should |
| 19:59.40 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, it's a java app (i assume you are talking about konttori's one) |
| 20:06.59 | lcuk | bbl |
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| 20:10.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: so, from bottom we start with glib and gtk, deblet svn packages (boot and such), i guess, and i get a build beagle set up |
| 20:10.36 | _786soul | Got a small question. How can I disable the onboard wifi in my n810 to plug in and use an external one I'll connect through USB? |
| 20:11.33 | johnx | Stskeeps, sounds ok |
| 20:11.46 | johnx | I am still trying to track down this freakin' h-i-m problem |
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| 20:14.22 | Stskeeps | *nod* maybe it would help when it's not a hacked up platform i guess ;) |
| 20:14.31 | Stskeeps | i wonder why the heck control panel acts weird though |
| 20:14.36 | johnx | I'm worried that it's something in gtk2.12 |
| 20:14.55 | johnx | apparently the java guys ran into something that triggers a similar message |
| 20:15.07 | johnx | java using gtk to display that is |
| 20:15.07 | Stskeeps | sec |
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| 20:17.11 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 20:17.42 | johnx | this: http://pastebin.com/m68992eab |
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| 20:18.00 | johnx | sapwood sure causes me a lot of pain |
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| 20:21.11 | Stskeeps | that looks odd, maybe X relays wrong depth? |
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| 20:21.26 | johnx | I tried it in xephyr with the same result |
| 20:21.37 | cars__ | Hi guys. I'm having a problem using ssh to login to or from the n810 on my LAN. I have generated and shared the appropriate keys, but it says it can't resolve the hostname (name or service not known). How do I solve this? Do I have to make the server discoverable somehow, or relax the firewall permissions? I'd perfer to ssh both to and from the n810, but mostly use the n810 as a client. |
| 20:22.08 | johnx | I can't test it in xomap as xomap seems to return pressure events causing hildon-input-method to think it should launch the thumboard |
| 20:22.46 | Stskeeps | tslib conflict maybe |
| 20:22.57 | johnx | cars__, try using the IP address directly instead of the hostname |
| 20:24.01 | johnx | anyways, can't think any more. going to sleep |
| 20:24.14 | Stskeeps | nini |
| 20:24.18 | johnx | I'll have my revenge tomorrow sapwood / h-i-m *shakes fist* |
| 20:24.59 | Stskeeps | SAPWOOOOD!. or something |
| 20:25.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:25.11 | johnx | exactly :D |
| 20:26.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:29.33 | johnx | I think it might just be some flux in sapwood at the moment |
| 20:29.39 | johnx | <- lied about going to bed |
| 20:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | :O |
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| 20:30.01 | Stskeeps | there were sapwood updates so maybe a recompile is in order |
| 20:30.15 | johnx | ah, good, I'll do that tomorrow |
| 20:30.28 | johnx | really sleeps |
| 20:30.50 | aquatix | johnx: nn |
| 20:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | More lies |
| 20:31.01 | GeneralAntilles | I bet he's gonna go brush his teeth first. |
| 20:31.12 | aquatix | bets too |
| 20:31.50 | aquatix | might have to do with his alcohol breath though ;) |
| 20:31.54 | disco_stu | where does johnx live? |
| 20:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | In some fake timezone he made up. |
| 20:32.09 | aquatix | at his home |
| 20:32.22 | aquatix | yeah, gtm+johnx |
| 20:32.24 | aquatix | *gmt |
| 20:32.26 | Stskeeps | right now hes sortof around russia or finland i guess, timezone wise |
| 20:32.35 | aquatix | he's drifting west |
| 20:32.42 | GeneralAntilles | Aren't we all. |
| 20:32.44 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, he always goes to sleep early |
| 20:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, Japan. ;) |
| 20:33.05 | aquatix | 21:32:57 [freenode] [CTCP] | Got TIME reply from johnx: Wed Nov 19 05:32:57 |
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| 20:33.17 | aquatix | disco_stu: define `early' ;) |
| 20:33.55 | disco_stu | i go to sleep normally at 3 am |
| 20:34.12 | aquatix | very boring at about 23:30 |
| 20:34.12 | disco_stu | and now it is 5pm |
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| 20:34.15 | Stskeeps | aquatix: jees |
| 20:34.37 | aquatix | Stskeeps: otherwise i crash my car into something when driving to work the next day |
| 20:35.00 | Stskeeps | was referring to his 5am go to sleep |
| 20:35.13 | Stskeeps | if i did that, i would be sleeping atleast 12 hours after |
| 20:35.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:35.17 | user__ | could someone make transparent keyboard for maemo ? |
| 20:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | user__, there are a couple floating around |
| 20:35.30 | cars__ | johnx, Thanks. That works. :) |
| 20:35.40 | user__ | thx |
| 20:35.45 | aquatix | Stskeeps: ah :P |
| 20:35.52 | GeneralAntilles | But we're a little slow to do real translucency. |
| 20:35.53 | aquatix | yeah, me too |
| 20:37.51 | disco_stu | i installed an irc bouncer, so you'll be seeing me online 24/7 |
| 20:37.54 | user__ | how about video out ? i didnt hear any thing new from those guys from bochum |
| 20:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | user__, VNC or something similar |
| 20:38.09 | aquatix | disco_stu: /me just does irssi in a screen session |
| 20:38.26 | GeneralAntilles | typically uses irssi proxy. |
| 20:38.43 | aquatix | it's more convenient for me to use irssi as client too |
| 20:38.53 | disco_stu | plus i can switch fron pc and tablet without you notice it |
| 20:39.05 | aquatix | too ;) |
| 20:39.11 | aquatix | hell, i can even irc from my phone |
| 20:39.18 | disco_stu | aquatix, i dont keep a pc on |
| 20:39.25 | aquatix | has a server :) |
| 20:39.26 | lcuk | disco_stu, thats really good news, i installed an ignore device today you i cannot see you 24/7 :P |
| 20:39.39 | user__ | vnc ? ;/ i was thinking about something to connect n800 to tv like i do with itouch |
| 20:39.52 | GeneralAntilles | user__, it doesn't have video out. |
| 20:39.52 | disco_stu | so i put the bouncer on my router |
| 20:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | user__, unless you're really, really good at soldering BGAs and writing kernel drivers. |
| 20:40.24 | lcuk | disco_stu, watch out for memory buffer sizes |
| 20:40.30 | disco_stu | lcuk, :) |
| 20:41.34 | disco_stu | lcuk, not a problem |
| 20:41.40 | user__ | i now ;/ that nokia dont have but those guys from nokia labs bochum ? show movie were they use tablet without vnc |
| 20:42.25 | user__ | general im not as good |
| 20:42.26 | lcuk | ive seen people go to the moon |
| 20:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | user__, that was effectively VNC |
| 20:42.44 | GeneralAntilles | It wasn't really a hardware solution. |
| 20:43.08 | user__ | ;/ thats bad ;/ |
| 20:43.19 | lcuk | this was the sync thing wasnt it gen |
| 20:43.25 | lcuk | ummm doofer thingy |
| 20:43.33 | lcuk | turns up a blank |
| 20:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | There's a machine connected to the TV, it wasn't just straight tablet-to-TV. |
| 20:43.37 | user__ | thanks for help anyway |
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| 20:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | yerga, ping. |
| 20:45.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'm loving the fact that you actually remain logged in on maemo.org now. . . . |
| 20:47.06 | lcuk | "Maemo DP team blog" that sounds wrong |
| 20:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | development platform |
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| 20:47.28 | lcuk | i know what it means, it still sounds wrong |
| 20:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | Which, interestingly, includes the website. |
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| 20:49.55 | disco_stu | sees some latin nicknames |
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| 20:56.29 | Stskeeps | dp, where? :P |
| 20:56.46 | qwerty12_N800 | >.< |
| 20:56.55 | Stskeeps | as in blog, not deep penetration, qwerty12_N800 |
| 20:56.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:57.03 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 20:57.06 | lcuk | deep? |
| 20:57.16 | aquatix | sees some filthy minds |
| 20:57.28 | lcuk | close your browser then |
| 20:57.37 | qwerty12_N800 | dbl, then whatever floats your boat then lcuk :P |
| 20:57.43 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, what can i use for auto pop3 checking |
| 20:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | Modest? |
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| 20:59.02 | disco_stu | like an applet.. just to know there is mail.. not modest downloading it |
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| 20:59.22 | zakkm | isnt there mnotify ? |
| 20:59.26 | zakkm | applet to check pop3 ? |
| 20:59.40 | zakkm | like google notifier for mac / linux. |
| 20:59.55 | zakkm | disco_stu: like that? |
| 21:00.02 | disco_stu | zakkm, i think that was the name |
| 21:00.14 | disco_stu | i'll look for it |
| 21:00.21 | zakkm | it was in uhh |
| 21:00.32 | zakkm | i have extras and extras-devel.. and it was on my nokia |
| 21:00.37 | zakkm | i dont know what repo it belongs to though |
| 21:01.06 | yerga | GeneralAntilles, pong! |
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| 21:02.21 | disco_stu | zakkm, i downloaded it, i think is in extras |
| 21:03.23 | disco_stu | zakkm, thx |
| 21:03.52 | disco_stu | i need to check if it is safe |
| 21:04.10 | zakkm | oh i dont know, just stumpled upon it.. i like to app manager search through stuff |
| 21:07.40 | disco_stu | i mean.. how it sends my info through the net |
| 21:07.55 | lcuk | giggles |
| 21:08.45 | disco_stu | well.. see you later. i'll head to the gym |
| 21:10.01 | Meiz_n810 | is messing the offical ubuntu port for a while |
| 21:10.33 | Stskeeps | where did you find it at? |
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| 21:10.45 | Meiz_n810 | ports.ubuntu.com |
| 21:11.19 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 21:11.21 | Stskeeps | debootstrapping it? |
| 21:11.50 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 21:12.31 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:12.42 | Stskeeps | i guess we're safe no matter what just as long as there's a ubuntu upstream |
| 21:12.52 | Stskeeps | we're not really relying on it being mojo or ubuntu |
| 21:12.58 | Meiz_n810 | just trying (like always) |
| 21:13.31 | Stskeeps | hehe, that's what experimentation is |
| 21:13.50 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 21:15.07 | Meiz_n810 | but the good thing is: deblet repo can be added, and packages needed for booting can be installed |
| 21:15.23 | Meiz_n810 | like they can be in m-r |
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| 21:16.50 | Stskeeps | yeah, true |
| 21:17.35 | Meiz_n810 | i believe i'll get m-r back to my tablet very soon. Results of my first try with the offical ubuntu was: apt-get update fails in chroot |
| 21:18.03 | Stskeeps | hmm? |
| 21:18.08 | Stskeeps | what does it say? |
| 21:18.31 | Stskeeps | you use install_mr or raw debootstrap? (without minbase i believe?) |
| 21:18.55 | Meiz_n810 | it just failed to connect |
| 21:19.13 | Stskeeps | copy in resolv.conf? |
| 21:19.14 | Stskeeps | to etc |
| 21:20.02 | Meiz_n810 | my first try was with .tgz from: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/OMAP35x_EVM/ |
| 21:20.28 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 21:21.46 | Meiz_n810 | now trying to debootstrap with gutsy:s script |
| 21:22.15 | Meiz_n810 | as suggested by persia at #ubuntu-arm |
| 21:22.31 | zakkm | sounds like maemo reconstruct is getting far in progress |
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| 21:23.34 | Stskeeps | mm, first iteration |
| 21:23.51 | Stskeeps | most frustrating, but next one is more structured |
| 21:24.44 | Stskeeps | goal was to have hildon base going in 110-120mb flash, and we have, so there's reasons to go on with it |
| 21:27.01 | zakkm | so it works ? |
| 21:27.05 | zakkm | just not simple? |
| 21:27.06 | Stskeeps | and this was without not trying too hard to strip down |
| 21:27.21 | Stskeeps | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png |
| 21:27.38 | Stskeeps | it needs to be cleaned up and some functionality added on top, but yeah, it is feasible so far |
| 21:27.47 | zakkm | woww |
| 21:27.59 | zakkm | full hildon? |
| 21:28.10 | Stskeeps | it is a hildon ui, yeah |
| 21:28.21 | Stskeeps | but we still have a lot to go |
| 21:28.25 | zakkm | faster than actual maemo? |
| 21:28.27 | Stskeeps | systemui, mce, et |
| 21:28.27 | Stskeeps | c |
| 21:28.30 | zakkm | less ram usage? |
| 21:28.48 | Stskeeps | faster is hard to evaluate cos our X server isn't acting perfectly yet :) |
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| 21:29.11 | Stskeeps | but the goal was if it was possible to build a small enough system |
| 21:29.31 | Stskeeps | even if it was a minimal ubuntu base, and not some embedded system |
| 21:29.33 | zakkm | that looks really nice :P |
| 21:29.51 | zakkm | small enough system? like storage wise or minimal ? |
| 21:30.04 | zakkm | minimal apps* |
| 21:30.49 | Stskeeps | it fits in 124mb flash, there's 250 in your device |
| 21:30.56 | Stskeeps | there's 300 mb of uncompressed data there |
| 21:31.02 | zakkm | isnt maemo smaller? |
| 21:31.32 | Stskeeps | possibly |
| 21:31.45 | Stskeeps | but we haven't begun to -really- strip down yet |
| 21:31.54 | Stskeeps | and this can both run LXDE, KDE, etc if you wanted it to |
| 21:32.08 | Stskeeps | without having to spend years porting stuff for it |
| 21:32.12 | zakkm | ill go with fluxbox ;p |
| 21:32.28 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: saw http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/MaemoReconstructed?pli=1#5269966649978278514 ? |
| 21:32.34 | zakkm | is there a way to mimic a rightclick? |
| 21:32.48 | Stskeeps | tap and hold? :P |
| 21:32.52 | zakkm | oh |
| 21:33.01 | zakkm | :P |
| 21:33.19 | zakkm | sounds very good then :) |
| 21:34.30 | smackpotato | is it possible to mount a 16gb usb dongle on a 770 |
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| 21:35.33 | smackpotato | do i have to load drivers, do i have to mount by hand |
| 21:35.43 | zakkm | mount by hand :) |
| 21:35.54 | zakkm | ( i dunno.. ) |
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| 21:36.02 | smackpotato | hmmm |
| 21:36.53 | smackpotato | I have the hardware and also host mode |
| 21:37.15 | zakkm | your 770 didnt wsod yet? |
| 21:38.03 | smackpotato | lol the touch went but it wa warrenty |
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| 21:38.28 | smackpotato | i use a 810 nowadays |
| 21:38.40 | zakkm | my old 770 wsod within like 2 weeks of buying |
| 21:38.44 | zakkm | and it came no warranty |
| 21:39.18 | smackpotato | and you still buy nokia products |
| 21:39.56 | zakkm | of course |
| 21:39.59 | zakkm | cheap of course |
| 21:40.07 | RST38h | Carman failed installing :(( |
| 21:40.07 | zakkm | my 800 was only $145 Canadian |
| 21:40.23 | smackpotato | with karma? |
| 21:40.28 | zakkm | how new of a car do you need for carman to work? |
| 21:40.35 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, pastebin your log :P |
| 21:40.42 | smackpotato | 80s |
| 21:40.48 | zakkm | really? |
| 21:41.03 | RST38h | qwerty: There was no log - App Manager just showed a message "Installation Failed" |
| 21:41.10 | zakkm | im too young to own a car but it would be cool to go into other ppls cars and be like check this out :)! :D |
| 21:41.14 | zakkm | app manager has a log ;p |
| 21:41.19 | zakkm | in the menu at the top |
| 21:41.23 | zakkm | tools - log, or something |
| 21:41.27 | RST38h | The carman icon did appear in the menu but when I run carman it does not let me do anything |
| 21:41.32 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, get it from the menu after that message |
| 21:41.32 | smackpotato | im sure you need to buy the bluetooth interface |
| 21:41.43 | RST38h | (ok, I do not have OBD BT device) |
| 21:41.51 | RST38h | will have to try reintalling |
| 21:42.56 | RST38h | The ODB thingie is not necessary for Carman operation, right? I will still show maps, etc? |
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| 21:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | yerga, is GPLv2 acceptable for your translation? |
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| 21:50.48 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, I saw. |
| 21:52.02 | yerga | GeneralAntilles, yes, of course. |
| 21:52.17 | yerga | it was only some words |
| 21:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | yerga, yeah, just making sure. ;) |
| 21:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think anybody will have any issues. |
| 21:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | But better to cover the bases and not end up shipping translations and having somebody object afterwards. |
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| 22:08.55 | lcuk | my stomach muscles are still achy from weekend :'( |
| 22:09.10 | GeneralAntilles | You're so out of shape. :P |
| 22:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | Go take 15 minutes and stretch |
| 22:09.27 | lcuk | im a geek, out of shape is perfectly healthy condition |
| 22:10.19 | lcuk | you are right though, i should really do more, perhaps with the next super tablet ill make it connect with cybernetic implants to actually force me to get up |
| 22:10.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | Need one of those muscle stimulators from the Matrix |
| 22:10.52 | lcuk | i had a TENS machine a few years ago |
| 22:11.43 | emma | There really should be a technological solution to waking up in the morning. The alarm clock doesn't really cut it for me. |
| 22:11.48 | lcuk | i might have a go at making another one, but i can only get AC from the wall, it might be a bit more dangerous |
| 22:11.58 | lcuk | emma, same here |
| 22:12.00 | emma | What is a TENS machine? |
| 22:12.17 | emma | maybe like electric shocks to get you up. |
| 22:12.26 | GeneralAntilles | emma, the Jetsons has some fairly decent options. :P |
| 22:12.34 | lcuk | little pads stuck on my back going to a battery pack which delivers controlled shocks |
| 22:12.37 | emma | Or something like in the movies where the bed tilts up and you are in the shower. |
| 22:12.42 | RST38h | Here is how Carman install fails: |
| 22:12.42 | RST38h | Unpacking carman (from .../carman_0.7~beta1-8_all.deb) ... |
| 22:12.42 | RST38h | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:12.42 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.42 | RST38h | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 22:12.46 | RST38h | Any ideas? |
| 22:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | emma, Jetsons. :) |
| 22:12.51 | lcuk | emma, alarm clocks have to be random and different |
| 22:12.54 | Stskeeps | RST38h: out of space? |
| 22:13.19 | RST38h | Sts: nope, 40+MB free |
| 22:13.20 | emma | Well an Alarm Clock does it's job. It does wake me up. The problem is getting me out of bed. |
| 22:13.24 | lcuk | my missus woke me once by whispering "why is your computer doing that?" |
| 22:13.40 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 22:13.43 | lcuk | it doesnt work if you preplan it though |
| 22:13.54 | emma | Maybe something that could induce an overwhelming need to pee. |
| 22:14.09 | Meiz_n810 | corrupted archive? |
| 22:14.14 | Stskeeps | lcuk: that'd work with me too.. |
| 22:14.15 | lcuk | nahhh emma, |
| 22:14.44 | lcuk | do you snooze your alarm clock? |
| 22:14.46 | emma | I find that on days when I can sleep in, the reason I finally do get out of bed and get going is because I gotta 'go'. |
| 22:14.52 | lcuk | or do you just sleep though it |
| 22:14.54 | emma | Yes, like a dozen times. |
| 22:15.05 | lcuk | theres a great clock which is on a string from the ceiling |
| 22:15.08 | emma | I set it for 4 am and I hit snooze until like 7 am. |
| 22:15.11 | lcuk | everytime you snooze it it goes heigher |
| 22:15.19 | lcuk | eventually you cant reach it |
| 22:15.36 | emma | I have my alarm clock already on the other side of the room so that I have to get out of bed to go hit the snooze. |
| 22:15.38 | lcuk | i just sleep through the snooze and the neighbours put up with it for 45 minutes |
| 22:15.48 | lcuk | then dive back in bed :D |
| 22:15.59 | emma | yes i hit the snooze then dive back in bed. Exactly. |
| 22:16.14 | emma | I really hate getting up. It hurts me physically. I curse the stars each morning. |
| 22:16.23 | emma | There must be some technological way to force me to just get going. |
| 22:16.24 | lcuk | if i HAVE to get up, ive got crappy macnhester music really loud on computer, alarm clock mobile phone, and 2 nokias - all at once |
| 22:16.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 22:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's amazing how many times you can run across the room without ever waking up. |
| 22:16.40 | lcuk | emma, its called moving to a different country with sane times for waking up |
| 22:16.42 | emma | exactly. |
| 22:16.50 | lcuk | i am perpectually living in the middle of the atlantic |
| 22:16.53 | emma | I literally hit the snooze probably at least 10 times each morning. |
| 22:17.03 | emma | each time i get back in bed and sleep ten more minutes. |
| 22:17.17 | lcuk | what time do you go to sleep at/wake up at |
| 22:18.11 | emma | I have to leave the house by 7 am in order to avoid paying 35 dollars for a cab. But if I do pay the 35 dollars for a cab, then I can leave the apartment at 7:30. Any later and I'm late for work. |
| 22:18.30 | emma | Such is my inability to really get going in the morning that pretty much I pay 35 dollars 5 times a week. |
| 22:18.41 | lcuk | so what time do you go to bed |
| 22:18.48 | lcuk | (and 7am is ungodly) |
| 22:18.57 | emma | Between Midnight and 2 am usually. |
| 22:19.24 | emma | I have to get up at like 5:30, I have to leave the house at 7 or 7:30. |
| 22:19.31 | lcuk | ok, so if you could get your boss to let you work flexi and start at 10am is that better for you? |
| 22:19.37 | emma | Because I have to work at 8:00 |
| 22:19.52 | lcuk | or will it throw you even more - ie start sleeping even later |
| 22:19.55 | emma | No not really I don't have that sort of career. |
| 22:20.09 | lcuk | but if you could, would that help your waking up |
| 22:20.13 | emma | I'm really my own boss but the industry such as it is, you can't keep people waiting. |
| 22:20.17 | lcuk | i have no trouble waking up once i know im late |
| 22:20.23 | emma | I think it might. |
| 22:20.32 | emma | I think part of it is the hours. But part of it is just getting up. |
| 22:20.44 | lcuk | its your body telling you you need more sleep - i bet though no matter what you cant sleep earlier |
| 22:20.53 | emma | probably true. |
| 22:21.02 | emma | I really can't sleep until it's time to crash. |
| 22:21.12 | lcuk | yeah same here |
| 22:21.12 | emma | Ive never really gone to bed until I would collapse if I didn't. |
| 22:21.16 | lcuk | i get very little sleep |
| 22:21.27 | lcuk | but more at weekends :) |
| 22:21.44 | lcuk | hibernates on a 7 day cycle |
| 22:22.00 | emma | The uberman sleep schedule seems interesting to me. |
| 22:22.02 | emma | heard of that? |
| 22:22.20 | lcuk | nope, but google will have, sec |
| 22:23.20 | emma | supposedly it's what ben franklin, and thomas edison did. |
| 22:23.40 | lcuk | ahhh yes, i went through a phase of that years ago |
| 22:23.55 | emma | train your body to go into REM imediately by taking a 20 minute nap every 4 hours. |
| 22:24.36 | RST38h | ~curse INDT for writing crufty installation scripts |
| 22:24.37 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, INDT for writing crufty installation scripts ! |
| 22:26.40 | RST38h | Ok, I know why Carman install fails |
| 22:26.52 | lcuk | cos you are a bikeman? |
| 22:27.00 | RST38h | It fails creating subdirs under MyDocs when MyDocs is symlinked to the external memory card |
| 22:27.05 | RST38h | is a walkman mainly |
| 22:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | emma, is that the one Kramer tried on Seinfeld? ;) |
| 22:28.01 | lcuk | bbl (not napping honestly) |
| 22:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | jettisons lcuk out the airlock. |
| 22:30.44 | lcuk | oi |
| 22:31.40 | RST38h | Carman lives! |
| 22:33.50 | emma | GeneralAntilles: I think he might of yes. |
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| 22:38.55 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping. |
| 22:39.05 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong |
| 22:39.18 | andre__ | or peng? |
| 22:39.35 | Stskeeps | wow, that's a rant on m-d |
| 22:40.15 | Jaffa | mutters at still being at work at 2241. |
| 22:40.29 | GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . |
| 22:40.34 | Stskeeps | passes coffee to Jaffa |
| 22:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | entered 2241 into bugzilla. <_< |
| 22:41.14 | Jaffa | 2340 train home. Gets in to my station usually about 20 minutes ahead of schedule (0100, rather than 0120). |
| 22:41.18 | Jaffa | This is the last train home. |
| 22:41.19 | qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps, i've compiled x11vnc fine :/. it's not also entirely hard to convert a package from debhelper 6 to 5 :/ |
| 22:41.51 | Stskeeps | mm, and i've had to go from 7 to 6 in ubuntu too |
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| 23:55.28 | jagernot | boxar (my audio synth) update: stereo rhythms and melody warping fx..download: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar_1.0-1_armel.deb comments welcome. |
