| 00:00.45 | lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, do you believe in open source and ensuring public access to code and processes? |
| 00:01.09 | lcuk2 | or would you prefer a prorietary locked down system with secrets? |
| 00:01.14 | woglinde | lcuk I do |
| 00:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | I believe in banning qwerty12. :P |
| 00:02.08 | GeneralAntilles | Odd timing, lcuk2, I was just poking at https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com#Introduction_to_open_source |
| 00:02.19 | lcuk2 | heh |
| 00:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | What provoked the question? |
| 00:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | I'd've figured my beliefs would be fairly clear. |
| 00:02.57 | lcuk2 | you wanting to ban qwerty for posting open source documentation for resetting a password |
| 00:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | You missed the big giant KIDDING tags. :) |
| 00:03.16 | lcuk2 | (if it is open anyway) |
| 00:03.26 | qwerty12_N800 | how can i be banned if the only rule is no personal attacks? :p. And i remember the sd_proto stuff (and we are still here) |
| 00:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, don't take things I say so seriously. |
| 00:04.17 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk2, text2screen -t `strings /dev/mtd1ro | grep [0-9] | grep -v [a-zA-Z@] | tail -c 7` -s 5 - the "magic" line |
| 00:04.22 | lcuk2 | i try not to GeneralAntilles, must be extra grottyness and tiredness from mey side |
| 00:04.29 | lcuk2 | :O |
| 00:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | If something seems extreme or out of character, it's usually because I'm joking and you either missed the humor or don't know the full story. |
| 00:04.46 | lcuk2 | :O / ignore qwerty12 my eyes, the goggles they do nothing |
| 00:04.59 | qwerty12_N800 | lol *grin* |
| 00:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, YOU knew I was kidding, right? |
| 00:05.29 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, No. i thought you meant it :(. *cries* |
| 00:05.50 | woglinde | GeneralAntilles do you ban now all who did read the line qewerty was posting? |
| 00:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, I was poking fun fun at Qole for http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242288&postcount=14 |
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| 00:06.55 | GeneralAntilles | woglinde, dunno, did you? ;) |
| 00:06.57 | lcuk2 | yes and my reply was in part to qole |
| 00:07.08 | lcuk2 | tso just summed it up :) |
| 00:07.51 | qwerty12_N800 | easy-deb-chroot gives me access to cracking tools that i haven't bothered to compile :p. should he be nominated for a ban? :P |
| 00:07.55 | lcuk2 | i surprise myself at how much of an OSS mindset ive gotten this year |
| 00:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | raises his iced tea to lcuk2. |
| 00:08.41 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you's been spiking your food with mood-altering drugs. :P |
| 00:08.45 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 00:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | "Transparency, flexibility, diversity, emancipation..." |
| 00:09.24 | qwerty12_N800 | before I had a tablet. Open source is nice but i like commercial apps more. |
| 00:09.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not loving the use of emancipation |
| 00:09.39 | qwerty12_N800 | now. open source everything! |
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| 00:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:09.50 | lcuk2 | the source does not matter |
| 00:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | That confused me greatly until you added the second line. |
| 00:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | s/./:/ |
| 00:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | Die, infobot, die. |
| 00:11.02 | GeneralAntilles | Sourciness doesn't matter to most people until they actually benefit from it directly. |
| 00:11.30 | woglinde | ~snackbot |
| 00:11.30 | infobot | ACTION gobbles up tarzeau. |
| 00:11.36 | woglinde | fine |
| 00:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | Just like the vast majority of people don't care what language a program is written in. |
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| 00:12.49 | qwerty12_N800 | I know :(. I have to admit, not a lot (release wise) gets done with the source that is released :/ |
| 00:13.00 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot, eat woglinde |
| 00:13.00 | infobot | ACTION eats woglinde and falls over dead |
| 00:13.09 | lcuk2 | the source is most useful after an app becomes stale |
| 00:13.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's tough to reach that critical mass. |
| 00:14.02 | GeneralAntilles | The people with the skills to dive into a project and contribute something useful to its code are few and far between |
| 00:14.16 | GeneralAntilles | and usually already occupied by their own projects. |
| 00:14.23 | lcuk2 | it was this part which marius taught me whilst i was in berlin. he wants the source just so he can poke and try to fix something rather than sitting there with futile bemusement at why a problem is occuring |
| 00:14.34 | jagernot | has anybody seen that ironical ad from ibm? stop talking. start doing. :) |
| 00:15.50 | lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, agreed about own projects - its just not worth the extra hassle to dive in and take over |
| 00:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | Quim's got 3 days to finish up https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com |
| 00:16.19 | GeneralAntilles | wishes him luck. <_< |
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| 00:27.08 | lcuk810 | why am i here? |
| 00:27.17 | woglinde | dontknow |
| 00:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:27.34 | GeneralAntilles | I suppose that wasn't an existential question. |
| 00:27.36 | lcuk2 | i just picked it up |
| 00:28.22 | lcuk | noticed the little icon was flashing |
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| 00:44.12 | lcuk | oh pussbagged tossed salad lite mayonnaise beggin strips |
| 00:44.29 | GeneralAntilles | OK then |
| 00:44.30 | lcuk | komodo edit lost my settings |
| 00:44.35 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 00:44.56 | lcuk | my code looks pants |
| 00:45.14 | lcuk | i spent a good long time crafting the settings for that to work nicely |
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| 01:46.26 | lcuk | watches terminator |
| 01:48.11 | qnr-lt | is there a way to turn the boot splash screen off so I can see what is causing my n800 to reboot continuously on power-up? |
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| 01:48.35 | lcuk | qnr-lt, the splash is not just a cover |
| 01:49.00 | lcuk | i think its possible to replace it with bootmsgs, but its quite an indepth thing i believe, so never followed the thread |
| 01:49.00 | qnr-lt | ok |
| 01:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting |
| 01:49.17 | qnr-lt | I see |
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| 01:49.45 | qnr-lt | thanks, I'll check it out, but I kind of doubt it will help if I can't boot in the first place |
| 01:50.20 | qnr-lt | well, technically, I can boot, to the internal flash, but not to mmc2 |
| 01:50.28 | GeneralAntilles | Then mount mmc2 and fix it. |
| 01:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | I'd start by fscking |
| 01:51.21 | qnr-lt | that's on the agenda, I was just on this computer trying to ssh over to it, so I thought I'd ask |
| 01:52.15 | qnr-lt | unlikely TBH (the fsck) - I probably screwed up and caused a confict (ran apt-get update and was rebooting) |
| 01:54.38 | qnr-lt | actually, I mean I ran apt-get upgrade |
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| 02:02.00 | qnr-lt | isn't too worried anyway, getting a 16gb class 6 in Monday, destined for use as mmc2 |
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| 02:39.55 | mdg_ | hello! |
| 02:40.43 | mdg_ | I have a 770 with OS2007, trying to set it up with WPA - cannot connect |
| 02:42.03 | mdg_ | Is there a screen timeout setting I need to adjust or something? |
| 02:43.08 | mdg_ | local-link ip somthing .....? |
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| 02:51.04 | camel_liu | hi, everyone |
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| 02:53.19 | camel_liu | I want to control gstreamer stream playing in my SDL app. Can I receive EOS message in the SDL loop? |
| 02:55.52 | camel_liu | If I don't run g_main_loop_run, can my callback of gst_bus_add_watch receive thenmessage? |
| 03:12.08 | mdg_ | Anyone with experience with WPA? |
| 03:13.20 | mdg_ | OS2007 WPA???? |
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| 03:16.17 | mdg_ | Anyone have WPA recommendations? |
| 03:18.11 | mdg_ | Hi matt_c |
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| 03:22.20 | mdg_ | WPA setup anyone? |
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| 04:50.46 | cyrus__ | anyone here use mamona? |
| 04:51.20 | cyrus__ | the mamona channel, no one ever talks |
| 04:56.11 | bef0rd | hehe |
| 04:58.37 | cyrus__ | I am trying to create the fiasco image with MIC but get - http://pastebin.com/m24cc1acd |
| 05:09.54 | bef0rd | haz no idea, sorry |
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| 05:31.44 | zetheroo1 | when I was using mapper with GPS I was trying to get it to move the map as I went along the downloaded route ... |
| 05:31.51 | zetheroo1 | does anyone know how to get that working? |
| 05:33.02 | johnx | turn on auto center maybe? |
| 05:33.08 | johnx | I don't have a gps though |
| 05:36.47 | zetheroo1 | hmm |
| 05:36.48 | zetheroo1 | ok |
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| 05:40.17 | zetheroo1 | how do i stop the screen from going dim? |
| 05:41.32 | johnx | this is maemo mapper, right? |
| 05:41.57 | johnx | look through the options and preferences. maybe read the help file. I know there's an option for keeping the screen on |
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| 05:48.17 | zetheroo1 | ok ... looking |
| 05:50.01 | zetheroo1 | not finding anything about the screen though |
| 05:50.08 | zetheroo1 | :( |
| 05:50.31 | fiekia2 | im driving |
| 05:51.56 | johnx | zetheroo1, preferences -> misc. -> unblank screen: |
| 05:52.28 | johnx | did you get the auto center working at least? |
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| 05:55.47 | zetheroo1 | johnx: yes thanks... I think Auto-center works and Unbankscreen shoudl ork too |
| 05:55.53 | zetheroo1 | work* |
| 05:56.07 | zetheroo1 | my last thing is to get flite working ... |
| 05:56.08 | zetheroo1 | :) |
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| 05:57.25 | zetheroo1 | what is Tracking btw? |
| 05:59.21 | johnx | I'm not sure exactly, but there really is a very complete help file |
| 06:00.33 | zetheroo1 | ok ... well I drove with my N810 to a place this morning and Tracking was enabled and now on my map I have a red line going to my destination and I would like to get rid of that ... |
| 06:02.28 | zetheroo1 | ahh ... I did it |
| 06:02.47 | zetheroo1 | Track > Clear ... |
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| 06:10.27 | rm_you | bbl |
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| 06:22.59 | zetheroo1 | bbl? |
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| 07:34.21 | RST38h | qwerty1234 |
| 07:34.51 | RST38h | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7730125.stm |
| 07:34.53 | RST38h | Hehehehe |
| 07:40.07 | RST38h | Even better: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1085915/Divorced-reality-All-accounts-Second-Life-love-triangle-saw-woman-separate-husband-having-cyber-affair.html |
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| 08:38.08 | bradd | hi. is itt the place to ask maemo dev setup related questions? (using xepyhr, etc) ? |
| 08:40.59 | RST38h | yes. |
| 08:41.05 | RST38h | Development forum. |
| 08:41.07 | bradd | ok, thanks |
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| 08:51.34 | Stskeeps | hm, many people compile maemo apps under poky instead? |
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| 08:54.59 | Stskeeps | a |
| 09:01.26 | hahlobit | does os2008 got gcc so you could compile from source? |
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| 09:04.55 | bradd | hahlobit, not sure, but I know there is a dev environment for linux that you can compile from source in |
| 09:06.40 | hahlobit | ok apparently at least gcc-3.4 found |
| 09:07.08 | RST38h | Sts: check with hrw |
| 09:07.20 | RST38h | He sounded like a poky fan once |
| 09:07.50 | bradd | poky is another scratchbox kind of thing? |
| 09:11.12 | Meiz_n810 | hmm, i am still unable to compile most of the lxde packages for m-r |
| 09:11.48 | Meiz_n810 | it wants perl 5.x and i have perl 5.8 |
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| 09:18.41 | qwerty12 | ~curse cross compiling kernels |
| 09:18.42 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, cross compiling kernels ! |
| 09:21.39 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: thats odd |
| 09:22.37 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i try to get lxde working by force-architecturing lxpanel and lxsession-lite from armel repos |
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| 09:33.46 | Stskeeps | k |
| 09:51.22 | RST38h | is now getting spam in Turkish |
| 09:51.57 | RST38h | First Polish, now this. Why, WHY? |
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| 09:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just glad the Cyrillic spam stopped. |
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| 10:04.20 | Meiz_n810 | Damn, need to force pcmanfm too... |
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| 10:13.11 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:13.16 | Meiz_n810 | Okay, i give up with lxde... |
| 10:13.24 | RST38h | General: Lucky you |
| 10:13.28 | Meiz_n810 | need to force so many packages |
| 10:13.30 | RST38h | General: 'cause it did not here |
| 10:13.56 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it's really weird ubuntu doesn't have lxde |
| 10:14.01 | RST38h | Also, I am now redirecting all email from *.cn to /dev/null |
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| 10:15.31 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: We'll see where ubuntu on arm goes... |
| 10:15.50 | Stskeeps | yeah, can't harm i guess |
| 10:16.33 | Meiz_n810 | yep. Gpicview is on hasty repo, but it is too old to work with lennys lxde... |
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| 10:24.49 | RST38h | Sorry for a stupid question but how do I make a short beep in maemo? |
| 10:29.00 | Stskeeps | think you have to go through playing a sound really |
| 10:29.09 | RST38h | there is gdk_beep() |
| 10:29.14 | RST38h | not sure if it works though |
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| 10:46.54 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ++ on the "i am bitter" thread :P |
| 10:47.35 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'm not sure processor architecture will mean anything about stability.. rather speed |
| 10:47.46 | Stskeeps | the processors are backwards compatible |
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| 10:56.19 | RST38h | gdk_beep() does not appear to do anything |
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| 11:07.13 | qwerty12 | RST38h, hildon_play_system_sound - http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libhildon-2.0.4/hildon-hildon-sound.html . Use it to play /usr/share/sounds/ui-default_beep.wav |
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| 11:12.08 | RST38h | thanks! |
| 11:27.06 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: if the system works slow, i think it is not stable :) |
| 11:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | Um? |
| 11:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | What, exactly, is your definition of stable? . . . |
| 11:28.57 | Stskeeps | stability is if the system lives up to the functionality it provides for the duration of it's running |
| 11:29.03 | GeneralAntilles | Because it doesn't seem to quite mesh up with the rest of the universe. |
| 11:29.42 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 11:31.33 | Stskeeps | performance is a different creature, a program may be horridly slow but wouldn't mean it's not stable if it actually does what it's supposed to :P |
| 11:37.03 | ShadowJK_ | hm, does kcbatt author still visit this channel? |
| 11:37.19 | qwerty12 | ~seen KotCzarny |
| 11:37.19 | infobot | kotczarny <n=ariel@pool-72-76-3-73.nwrknj.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 45d 1h 45m 49s ago, saying: 'nite nite'. |
| 11:37.25 | qwerty12 | probably not :/ |
| 11:37.35 | Stskeeps | ~seen KotCzarny_ |
| 11:37.36 | infobot | kotczarny_ <n=ariel@pool-68-162-32-101.nwrk.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 225d 16h 54m 46s ago, saying: 'hi pupnik'. |
| 11:37.44 | Stskeeps | he's in liqbase though :P |
| 11:40.50 | ShadowJK_ | the charging rate value almost acts like bit 9 of it was a flag, but that seems kinda odd coming from a ADC |
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| 11:41.14 | Stskeeps | mm, well, the "easy" way is to just use lsha |
| 11:41.14 | Stskeeps | l |
| 11:41.23 | Stskeeps | or look at qemu retu emulator |
| 11:41.31 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.20 | ShadowJK_ | oh, that's cute |
| 11:43.27 | ShadowJK_ | wonders why the battery-status thing grobes dbus |
| 11:43.33 | Stskeeps | HAL |
| 11:44.13 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, probably not battery status. it uses dsme to talk to bme |
| 11:44.23 | qwerty12 | s/dsme/dbus |
| 11:47.17 | ShadowJK_ | can't find any rate value there anyway |
| 11:48.28 | Stskeeps | or that |
| 11:48.39 | qwerty12 | ~stab 2.6.8.1 kernel for not obeying CROSS_COMPILE variable |
| 11:48.40 | infobot | ACTION runs at 2.6.8.1 kernel for not obeying CROSS_COMPILE variable with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 11:48.50 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: hint, "ftd" |
| 11:50.33 | qwerty12 | needs to reinstall that actually. the init scripts piss around though with the usb mounting |
| 11:53.57 | RST38h | adding plot dragging to SlideRule |
| 11:54.15 | RST38h | johnx is gonna get all his wishes except for cut&patse |
| 11:55.28 | Stskeeps | what's sliderule again? |
| 11:58.16 | RST38h | Sts: maemo.org/downloads/os2008 |
| 11:58.18 | ShadowJK_ | oh... heh.. it does make more sense as "charger voltage" than rate... |
| 11:58.28 | ShadowJK_ | thanks for ftd, sts |
| 11:59.33 | Stskeeps | RST38h: oh that |
| 12:00.05 | Stskeeps | doubt he would be able to take his n800 to exams though |
| 12:03.45 | GeneralAntilles | "Let me just look that up on wikipedia." |
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| 12:05.18 | Stskeeps | well we usually have open book exams so its useless to go on wikipedia :P |
| 12:05.23 | Stskeeps | or oral ones |
| 12:07.16 | RST38h | what university? |
| 12:07.33 | RST38h | haven't heard about oral exams in the us |
| 12:10.53 | Stskeeps | i'm in .dk :P |
| 12:11.04 | Stskeeps | and au.dk |
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| 12:11.57 | RST38h | ah |
| 12:12.15 | RST38h | The last citadel of academic excellency! |
| 12:14.08 | Stskeeps | we have four types of exams, - oral (you know the number of topics and which beforehand, you draw a random number, then present for 10-20 mins about the topic in question, they ask questions, afterwards give grade), written exams, multiple-choice (which are possibly to fail miserably and not possible to do randomly), and take-home exams (48 hours to solve certain tasks) :P |
| 12:15.48 | RST38h | sounds pretty much like Russia, except that multiple-choice were not used during my time and take-homes were known as homework B) |
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| 12:36.52 | lcuk | damN!! no coffee, sugar, cereal, or chocolate sprinkles. the world is about to end |
| 12:40.10 | Stskeeps | passes lcuk baco |
| 12:40.11 | Stskeeps | n |
| 12:40.37 | lcuk | i hadnt checked the bacon supplies, but i think they are in just as sorry a state |
| 12:40.51 | lcuk | yesterday was shopping day, but was spent adventuring |
| 12:41.47 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 12:42.26 | lcuk | hows "R" coming on |
| 12:42.35 | lcuk | or have you been pondering other things |
| 12:43.17 | Stskeeps | building an image atm |
| 12:43.39 | Stskeeps | and there's the developer porting survey on maemo-developers |
| 12:44.24 | sp3000 | suspects the /topic is stale |
| 12:44.43 | sp3000 | either that or there are a lot of sprint meetings ;) |
| 12:44.47 | lcuk | i wonder if there is any simple way to (a) make "configure" work on device (b) speed up gcc (c) speed up c++ |
| 12:45.41 | Stskeeps | for (a), "don't use busybox" |
| 12:45.59 | lcuk | but thats not simple to change |
| 12:46.07 | Stskeeps | sure it is |
| 12:46.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:46.14 | lcuk | that needs a *shock* chroot doesnt it? |
| 12:46.17 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 12:46.35 | lcuk | last time i looked at this i nearly broke my tablet |
| 12:46.51 | Stskeeps | but i know the reasons of busybox on the tablet, but part of this is showing to nokia there's reasons to change that would benefit the tablet |
| 12:47.28 | lcuk | yes, and having the sensible build tools available for use on the device itself would lower the cost of ownership |
| 12:47.38 | lcuk | it means people on every kind of OS can develop for it |
| 12:47.56 | Stskeeps | i hope we get closer to a sane hildon desktop on this thing, so we can get people testing trying to port things |
| 12:48.12 | johnx | wanders by :) |
| 12:48.22 | johnx | I guess I should test and upload the new hildon-desktop deb |
| 12:48.25 | lcuk | its not the testing, almost all folks who get far enough to actually compiling their software make the program they want |
| 12:48.27 | Stskeeps | 'lo johnx |
| 12:48.36 | lcuk | but theres so many people who *want* to try but never get far enough |
| 12:48.54 | Stskeeps | lcuk: well the idea is to show there's a high success rate in porting when using M-R principles, so |
| 12:49.16 | johnx | I need to fix the changelog, but that will take another rebuild, with docs and everything :/ |
| 12:49.26 | johnx | so I'll upload this for now after I test |
| 12:49.37 | Stskeeps | is it a new version or a changelog? |
| 12:50.29 | Stskeeps | er |
| 12:50.32 | johnx | well it's the debian packaging for 2.0.7 applied to 2.0.19, but the changelog is from 2.0.7 ... |
| 12:50.37 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:50.48 | Stskeeps | is the version higher than the latest one? |
| 12:50.51 | johnx | also, I messed up the version number "2.0.19" instead of "1:2.0.19" |
| 12:50.54 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:50.57 | johnx | so no :/ |
| 12:51.13 | johnx | I'll just fix that and rebuild now. I was putting it off out of frustration |
| 12:51.21 | Stskeeps | nah, upload first and test |
| 12:51.25 | Stskeeps | i'll remove it from repo |
| 12:51.26 | Stskeeps | the former one |
| 12:52.07 | johnx | alright, let me run a quick test here |
| 12:52.10 | johnx | 5 minutes :) |
| 12:52.37 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:53.13 | Stskeeps | so far porting issues: old GTK+, GLib and no 3D (hardware), missing / convoluted dependencies and needing a newer version of gcc (or was it python?) I think I gave up on compiling Boost |
| 12:53.51 | johnx | what uses boost? |
| 12:54.04 | lcuk | i could do with a boost |
| 12:54.24 | Stskeeps | johnx: quite a lot of c++ apps i guess |
| 12:54.24 | lcuk | is going rockclimbing today |
| 12:57.01 | johnx | well, it's not any more b0rken than it was before (this is on the zaurus) and it starts with just start-hildon |
| 12:57.38 | johnx | I'm sure there will be other problems as we get more of it running, but this seems like a much more sane start than the hildon-initscripts and osso-af-startup |
| 12:58.08 | johnx | I just wish I knew why this doesn't behave on the zaurus... |
| 12:59.18 | GAN800 | sp3000, fixitfixitfixit |
| 12:59.42 | johnx | life is one big sprint meeting :) |
| 13:00.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you cut the hildon-initscripts and af-startup dependancy? |
| 13:00.04 | *** topic/#maemo by sp3000 -> http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
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| 13:00.21 | johnx | Stskeeps, that I did :) |
| 13:00.38 | johnx | no one else should ever have a linux machine desecrated like that |
| 13:00.50 | Stskeeps | lol |
| 13:01.01 | lcuk | whats the lightest window manager / widget set that people know |
| 13:01.13 | johnx | matchbox and xaw |
| 13:01.24 | johnx | so you're already set for one :) |
| 13:01.49 | lcuk | im not necessarily thinking in x.. |
| 13:02.24 | johnx | maybe screen and ncurses? or do you mean something like directfb? |
| 13:03.02 | lcuk | well ive got the backbuffer, ive make my own crappy widget but its not functionally complete and is limited |
| 13:03.18 | lcuk | im looking to replace my widget set with the core of something expandable |
| 13:03.52 | lcuk | but i dont want to spent 6 months of my life doing it - the core libraries for a widgetset are like the core libraries for a 3d app - small |
| 13:04.38 | lcuk | just pushing this out might actually align my head with whats needed |
| 13:04.39 | Stskeeps | lcuk: QNX, Phonon? |
| 13:04.45 | Stskeeps | photon |
| 13:05.08 | johnx | isn't that closed? |
| 13:05.20 | Stskeeps | well he asked about the lightest ;) |
| 13:05.23 | lcuk | open or closed downst matter john, its the principles |
| 13:05.49 | johnx | well, I assume you want to see some source or headers without paying a couple grand |
| 13:05.54 | lcuk | ive pondered seriously about implementing the same kind of framework as windows user controls (activex without the network bit..) |
| 13:06.12 | johnx | actually, no here's something I'd love to see: BeOS's widget set :) |
| 13:06.29 | lcuk | heh, i keep thinking about the workbench and magicui |
| 13:07.23 | lcuk | the very first thing I did with liqbase when I created it was made a tiny applet for drag creating rectangles and UI elements |
| 13:07.42 | lcuk | but i had no concept of classes or sketch files to save to |
| 13:07.49 | lcuk | so the code went on the cutting room floor for a while |
| 13:07.55 | johnx | I'll throw out a couple ideas: fltk (it has fast and light in the *name* even :D ), haikuOS/BeOS widgets, or what about gnustep (but I guess that ties you to "Object Oriented C") |
| 13:08.21 | lcuk | johnx :) thanks |
| 13:08.46 | lcuk | can I get an object oriented c (objective c???) compiler? |
| 13:09.00 | lcuk | or would I have to generate my own |
| 13:09.17 | johnx | you mean binaries? yes for native compiling on debian/ubuntu |
| 13:09.33 | lcuk | native on device |
| 13:09.38 | johnx | so wish Stskeeps and I luck :) |
| 13:09.39 | lcuk | if i have an ide there i want to build from it |
| 13:10.47 | lcuk | johnx, i am watching you and sts rebuild the distro every day with a lot of interest :) i think its amazing to see the components go together and its giving me an appreciation of just what a linux system is composed of |
| 13:11.14 | johnx | well thankfully we've got a sane base to work with |
| 13:11.39 | Stskeeps | johnx: 2.0.19-2 is your current one? |
| 13:11.42 | lcuk | i know that johnx, i picture you and sts standing in the matrix "give me code, lots of code" |
| 13:11.43 | johnx | yes |
| 13:11.53 | Stskeeps | cos there's a -3 one, which i'll remove |
| 13:12.14 | johnx | well mine would beed to be the only one, cause 1:2.0.19 is higher than 2.0.19 |
| 13:12.29 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 13:12.37 | Stskeeps | i |
| 13:12.38 | johnx | but I'm going to fix things, replace the changelog with the right one, and re-upload after it compiles |
| 13:12.45 | johnx | should be a couple hours |
| 13:12.53 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:13.00 | johnx | so maybe you should test this one if you want to and not add it to the repo |
| 13:13.20 | Stskeeps | fits me better adding to repo for now |
| 13:13.22 | johnx | when I upload the next one I can just put it at -4 and make everything clean and sane |
| 13:13.26 | johnx | your call |
| 13:13.28 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:14.04 | Stskeeps | since it's a moving target we can blow up stuff as much as we want |
| 13:14.11 | Stskeeps | i have 3 day rollback of the repo so |
| 13:14.15 | Stskeeps | from my backup system |
| 13:14.28 | johnx | ah, very nice |
| 13:15.49 | lcuk | freshmeat! |
| 13:16.02 | lcuk | im going trolling the depths and seeing what i can find |
| 13:16.05 | johnx | lcuk, something like that, except with lots more time at the command line than they spent in the matrix :) |
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| 13:16.33 | johnx | maybe the tk from tcl/tk? |
| 13:16.48 | lcuk | im also still trying to work out which one of you is trinity |
| 13:17.37 | johnx | >_< |
| 13:18.21 | Stskeeps | johnx: imho hildon desktop should depend on all things making it a DE, icons, etc |
| 13:18.53 | johnx | hmm, do we want to do it in the binary package or maybe make a separate meta package? |
| 13:18.58 | Stskeeps | good question |
| 13:19.03 | Stskeeps | hildon-env maybe |
| 13:19.13 | johnx | hildon-desktop-desktop-hildon |
| 13:19.15 | Stskeeps | its something that always annoys me with hildon on debian/ubuntu |
| 13:19.15 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:19.19 | Stskeeps | hildon-desktop-env |
| 13:19.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:19.47 | johnx | sure, we can rename later if we want to upload back up to debian |
| 13:22.05 | Stskeeps | flash count, 113mb, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/113mb.txt |
| 13:22.19 | johnx | great! is that before compression or after? |
| 13:22.41 | Stskeeps | this is jffs2 compressed |
| 13:23.02 | Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/RLNusi67.html |
| 13:23.13 | Stskeeps | trying to add in hildon-desktop now |
| 13:23.16 | johnx | still not bad at all |
| 13:23.49 | Stskeeps | i would be happier with 120 mb with hildon-desktop really |
| 13:23.51 | Stskeeps | so we'll see |
| 13:24.13 | johnx | I keep picturing how to work aufs into this mix, but I can't see a sane way :/ |
| 13:24.47 | Stskeeps | dm-loop on vfat partition? |
| 13:24.50 | Stskeeps | dunno |
| 13:25.29 | johnx | well just in terms of having upgrades installed to the flash and apps installed somewhere else leads to pain at an apt/dpkg level |
| 13:25.40 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.41 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 13:26.09 | johnx | hmm, I'll fix that too |
| 13:26.11 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:26.35 | johnx | wait, are you sure that's the right hildon-desktop? |
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| 13:27.44 | johnx | I think that's ubuntu's |
| 13:27.48 | lcuk | oh no, its that haxx0r |
| 13:27.59 | johnx | do you have package pinning in place? |
| 13:28.19 | Stskeeps | hmm, lemme see |
| 13:28.20 | johnx | lcuk, has "peer" struck again? |
| 13:28.39 | qwerty12_N800 | hello to you too, lcuk :P |
| 13:28.46 | Stskeeps | true, it's ubuntu's |
| 13:28.51 | Stskeeps | how was pinning like again? |
| 13:28.54 | Stskeeps | i'll include it in the installer |
| 13:28.59 | lcuk | hiya qwerty, hows your sunday so far, mine is surprisingly sunny |
| 13:29.14 | johnx | http://pastebin.com/m6904e4d1 |
| 13:29.42 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, dark & cloudy down here :\ |
| 13:29.59 | lcuk | boo |
| 13:30.00 | bradd | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.00 | Stskeeps | and this goes in what file? |
| 13:30.48 | lcuk | bradd, this is a desired feature - people are discussing making a profile based doofer for managing things like wifi brightness cpu etc |
| 13:30.51 | johnx | bradd, check out dbus-scripts in conjunction with gconf |
| 13:31.27 | qwerty12_N800 | bradd, sounds like you want acmonitor |
| 13:31.34 | bradd | let me look.. |
| 13:31.51 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, well, that would be the easy way. easy = cheating :P |
| 13:32.14 | bradd | qwerty12_N800, wonderful.. that will do.. thanks |
| 13:32.25 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, easy methods ftw :P |
| 13:32.49 | bradd | I was actually thinking about writing this, but since its already made i'm happy |
| 13:32.50 | johnx | frontend to dbus-scripts would win |
| 13:32.59 | lcuk | does acmon do wifi as well? |
| 13:33.01 | lcuk | the one i had didnt |
| 13:33.28 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it pings google from time to time to keep the connection up |
| 13:33.36 | lcuk | ahhhh |
| 13:34.05 | lcuk | only when on power though |
| 13:34.21 | lcuk | neat sidestep :) |
| 13:34.30 | Stskeeps | johnx: installed.. calculating flash size |
| 13:34.57 | Stskeeps | did you get theme and such too? |
| 13:35.06 | Stskeeps | to get to your scrshot |
| 13:35.12 | johnx | I installed plankton and matchbox I believe |
| 13:35.19 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:35.22 | johnx | but that screenshot isn't representative |
| 13:35.57 | johnx | something odd is b0rken in some lower level xlib when run on the zaurus (pxa270) |
| 13:36.14 | johnx | something that's really been a huge pain to track down |
| 13:39.34 | lcuk | fixed his komodo configuration issue |
| 13:40.03 | qwerty12_N800 | yay, more liqbase für us :P |
| 13:40.19 | lcuk | there will be actually, im specing out lots of things |
| 13:40.54 | lcuk | ive been using real paper this week and am making code notes about desirables and evaluating what worked and what didnt |
| 13:41.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: 114mb with hildon-desktop |
| 13:41.30 | lcuk | liqbase has basically nothing now :) its such a good thing to know im gonna rebuild it better |
| 13:41.33 | Stskeeps | no themes and suc yet |
| 13:41.34 | johnx | hot sauce! |
| 13:42.45 | lcuk | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5593 Nov 15 03:04 liqbrain.c |
| 13:43.27 | lcuk | that means im still logged in with root doesnt it |
| 13:43.53 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 13:44.08 | johnx | whoami |
| 13:44.10 | lcuk | ooooer |
| 13:44.14 | lcuk | you are johnx |
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| 13:51.38 | Stskeeps | ponders if the theme stuff will make it jump 40 mb..:P |
| 13:51.44 | johnx | O_o |
| 13:52.03 | Stskeeps | kidding ofcourse, but wonder what impact it will be |
| 13:52.36 | Stskeeps | hildon-icons, where does people get that? |
| 13:53.06 | johnx | hildon-sdk-icons I think? |
| 13:53.27 | amrileria | does anyone remember how to fix in maemo-mapper the inaccuracy of Google maps? at least in Beijing the Google maps are too inaccurate but on the other hand they have best coverage / details. |
| 13:53.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: nop, google doesn't know it |
| 13:54.14 | johnx | ah, well it's in debian |
| 13:54.24 | johnx | just "hildon-icons" |
| 13:54.26 | johnx | http://packages.debian.org/sid/hildon-icons |
| 13:54.32 | Stskeeps | yeah.. just wondering where the upstream nokia one is |
| 13:55.26 | qwerty12_N800 | the sdk ones are cc licenced. the ones with the nokia device aren't free to share |
| 13:57.56 | Stskeeps | ah, sdk-default-icons |
| 13:59.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: grabbing debian's one i guess |
| 13:59.22 | johnx | for packages that aren't in trunk Debian's packages are best |
| 13:59.53 | johnx | and since ubuntu has gone an entirely different direction if we ever want to merge upstream it would be with debian |
| 14:00.10 | johnx | wants to avoid more forking |
| 14:00.57 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 14:02.22 | Stskeeps | kinda likes mauku's "light screen and show update" |
| 14:02.30 | Stskeeps | makes me notice when there's something new |
| 14:02.54 | johnx | ah, I should install mauku :) |
| 14:02.59 | lcuk | fools http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7731936.stm (this is really near me) |
| 14:03.34 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, the car crash? :\ |
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| 14:08.05 | lcuk | yeah |
| 14:08.25 | lcuk | they went down a 30 road at silly mph |
| 14:11.31 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 14:11.34 | Stskeeps | was maemo firmware prelinked? |
| 14:12.20 | Stskeeps | nm, no prelink.cache in /etc :P |
| 14:12.40 | Stskeeps | could be interesting to try http://linux.die.net/man/8/prelink on some key executables |
| 14:14.36 | johnx | crosses his fingers, pulls the trigger on a new build of hildon-desktop |
| 14:15.21 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:15.55 | Stskeeps | gets going on hildon-theme-plankton |
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| 14:26.13 | oys | I'm a little confused about the 48 mhz kernel patch. is the speedup with my class 6 sdhc card noticable if I run the OS from flash? and is a precompiled kernel available for v4.2008.36-5 or will I need to compile my own? |
| 14:26.57 | johnx | "is it noticeable?" depends a lot on what you do with files on your sd card |
| 14:27.43 | qwerty12_N800 | oys, re 2nd question: http://outpo.st/rotate/kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200835maemo1rotationfast_all.deb |
| 14:30.51 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://rafb.net/p/YkknOn65.html |
| 14:31.05 | Stskeeps | (hildon-icons -> gnome-icon-theme (hicolor) |
| 14:32.08 | johnx | hmm, patch maemo gtk to provide it? or hack the librsvg2-common package? |
| 14:33.44 | Stskeeps | think it's more sane to provide it i guess |
| 14:34.25 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 14:34.32 | Stskeeps | was it you or me compilg it last time? |
| 14:34.35 | Stskeeps | (maemo-gtk) |
| 14:35.11 | lcuk | congrats jaffa :) |
| 14:35.22 | Stskeeps | ah, me |
| 14:35.24 | johnx | you I think :) |
| 14:35.29 | Jaffa | lcuk: ta :) |
| 14:35.31 | lcuk | the hard work was worth it :D or are they moving you from what you are good at |
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| 14:35.58 | Jaffa | Nah, same job. Just more money and the option of a company car. |
| 14:36.13 | lcuk | reasonable |
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| 14:36.43 | Stskeeps | oh come on @ the top 10 posts, "boot in 5 seconds" |
| 14:37.33 | johnx | the other top post is the "safety & politics" right? |
| 14:38.22 | johnx | if I had to wait 5 seconds to resume from suspend-to-RAM I'd claw my brains out. what is with micro-optimizations of the exception "cold-boot" case? |
| 14:38.54 | Stskeeps | i think my s2ram was really along the lines of 2 secs really |
| 14:39.15 | Stskeeps | it was like same time taking to activate mce power button |
| 14:39.23 | Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: I thought one of the nokians had updated the rtcomm stuff into maemo-extras? |
| 14:39.27 | Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: maybe I'm wrong |
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| 14:44.24 | Stskeeps | johnx: 114mb after hildon-theme-cacher and hildon-theme-plankton |
| 14:44.51 | johnx | well we might stay under 120MB after all |
| 14:44.58 | johnx | that would be pretty incredible |
| 14:45.21 | Stskeeps | it would certainly make me happy |
| 14:46.52 | Stskeeps | and if we count on 50% compression rate like there is currently, we have what, 279mb free for docs and apps? |
| 14:47.22 | johnx | well some thing compress and some don't |
| 14:48.05 | lcuk | you two sound like the engineers of the apollo 13 mission "gotta keep the reboot under 120 amps |
| 14:48.35 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:49.12 | johnx | but yes, another 200MB+ for user apps sounds totally reasonable |
| 14:50.07 | johnx | and in practice user apps are the only thing that need to be on the internal flash |
| 14:50.18 | johnx | and those compress well so, yeah, that seems good |
| 14:50.42 | johnx | anyone expecting that they can fit 200MB of JPGs and AVIs on there will be in for a rude surprise though :D |
| 14:50.55 | lcuk | is it possible to supply the base boot from mmc type functionality into this |
| 14:51.29 | lcuk | without people having to become console ninjas |
| 14:52.33 | johnx | in your opinion, is the deblet installer easy enough? or were you looking for something simpler? |
| 14:53.11 | Stskeeps | thinks it would be a flashable image for users really |
| 14:53.20 | Stskeeps | and then a control panel allowing you to clone or something |
| 14:53.35 | lcuk | yes Stskeeps exactly |
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| 14:53.55 | lcuk | im used to being able to insert a disk and formatting it and marking bootable |
| 14:54.28 | johnx | well partitioning and formatting is usually the hardest part |
| 14:54.30 | lcuk | from there a gui app could have clone to bootable : and list any partitions it finds |
| 14:54.53 | lcuk | didnt penguinbait just relase something like this |
| 14:55.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, and ruined multiboot for everyone else |
| 14:55.53 | lcuk | whoosh, i didnt look at the specifics |
| 14:56.14 | Stskeeps | but this multiboot is part of the proposal so |
| 14:56.18 | lcuk | i dont know the mechanics of booting from mmc or the complexities |
| 14:56.44 | lcuk | i just know its desirable and people want to do it |
| 14:56.50 | lcuk | they know the internal flash wont last forever |
| 14:57.10 | lcuk | heh, it would be nice to use the mmc like old amiga disks |
| 14:57.19 | johnx | but it really will... |
| 14:57.22 | lcuk | i used to boot from my dev floppy when i wanted to do stuff |
| 14:57.34 | lcuk | or a different one for gaming |
| 14:57.47 | lcuk | it put me in the right frame of mind :) |
| 14:58.09 | lcuk | then i got a harddrive :D |
| 14:58.22 | johnx | the good old days aren't what they used to be :P |
| 14:58.42 | johnx | and I'll be terribly happy to see the death of mechanical storage |
| 14:58.49 | lcuk | johnx, but the good old days were more focused |
| 14:59.07 | johnx | yes, and there was less potential |
| 14:59.34 | johnx | digs up a great essay for you to read :D |
| 14:59.48 | lcuk | heh not now |
| 14:59.50 | lcuk | goin skiing |
| 14:59.57 | johnx | it's fine, bookmark it for later |
| 15:00.03 | johnx | it's titled "the past sucks" :D |
| 15:00.11 | qwerty12_N800 | amen |
| 15:00.39 | lcuk | "the past" had smoother graphics than now |
| 15:00.53 | qwerty12_N800 | 0000000_oooooooo |
| 15:01.30 | johnx | the future will have even smoother graphics |
| 15:01.35 | lcuk | of course |
| 15:01.46 | lcuk | but i have a handheld device here which *can* do it now |
| 15:02.07 | johnx | multiboot will not make graphics smoother |
| 15:02.20 | lcuk | no lol |
| 15:02.35 | lcuk | but its just another tihng which "the past" could do |
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| 15:05.11 | johnx | finally, here it is: http://web.archive.org/web/19970108031014/www.coupland.com/story7.htm |
| 15:05.37 | qwerty12_N800 | the irony... a archived copy |
| 15:06.08 | johnx | well it's from 1996 :D |
| 15:06.24 | johnx | it gets better with time as we get to laugh at all the awesome new tech he talks about |
| 15:06.36 | johnx | s/1996/1995/ |
| 15:07.28 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
| 15:08.19 | lcuk | even though its our past its the future from the past sucks guys perspective so it must be full of awesome |
| 15:08.56 | johnx | it is. I have a handheld more powerful than his laptop for 1/10 the price that runs for 10 hours on a charge |
| 15:16.23 | Stskeeps | ponders to storm with some more bugs since #3858 isn't getting any love so far |
| 15:16.51 | Stskeeps | which brings me to the philosophical question: does every bug report deserve an honest answer? |
| 15:18.18 | derf | Every bug is special. |
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| 15:40.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, well a couple hours have passed and I now have a sane hiidon-desktop. unfortunately it's also a "19-2" after fixing the changelog. *sighs* |
| 15:40.28 | johnx | should I just bump one more time to 19-3? |
| 15:42.38 | Stskeeps | sane as it in actually shows correctly or? |
| 15:42.46 | Stskeeps | yeah, 19-3 is fine |
| 15:43.01 | Stskeeps | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035635.html |
| 15:43.03 | Stskeeps | oh boy |
| 15:43.19 | johnx | not on zaurus, and I can't test on n800 or qemu right now. but sane as in the versions, deps and changelog are "right" |
| 15:43.38 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:44.14 | Stskeeps | (read that post btw) |
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| 15:44.53 | johnx | yeah, that's icky |
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| 15:45.51 | johnx | I think we'll see an increase in patent trolling in the short term as software/business practice patents are coming under more scrutiny in the US |
| 15:46.00 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 15:46.30 | johnx | so companies want to make their money through settlements before their patents turn to pumpkins |
| 15:46.43 | Stskeeps | my goal of tonight is recompiling maemo gtk and experimenting with how big a flash hildon-icons adds |
| 15:47.11 | johnx | alright, and now that I have everything up to hildon-desktop I'll try getting a semi-usable desktop up on the n800 |
| 15:47.35 | Stskeeps | want my latest installer tar.gz? |
| 15:47.37 | Stskeeps | actually |
| 15:47.42 | Stskeeps | i'll just check it into svn |
| 15:47.46 | johnx | that would be great |
| 15:48.11 | johnx | I'm going to re-upload 19-2 for now, and I'll run the re-package again as I head to sleep. I'd like to be able to actually use my machines for some non-compiling purpose for a couple hours :) |
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| 15:50.14 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer/ |
| 15:50.15 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 16:31.10 | johnx | looks like there's a bug with mouse release events in xorg tslib. |
| 16:31.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, meiz was talking about that |
| 16:31.33 | johnx | got a fix from debian :) |
| 16:31.36 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:31.38 | johnx | patch/release coming soon |
| 16:32.33 | Stskeeps | sounds good |
| 16:32.55 | Stskeeps | i'm compilin' away |
| 16:33.05 | johnx | what package now? |
| 16:33.26 | Stskeeps | maemo-gtk |
| 16:33.37 | Stskeeps | with make -j4 though |
| 16:33.57 | Stskeeps | so we can install hildon-icons |
| 16:34.03 | Stskeeps | what was the changes in the latest one you uploaded? |
| 16:34.15 | johnx | maemo-gtk? hildon-desktop? |
| 16:34.18 | Stskeeps | h-d |
| 16:34.47 | johnx | cleaning up the way I applied the debian packaging |
| 16:34.55 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:35.40 | johnx | it fixed a couple dep bugs, has the right changelog and (nokia's instead of debian's) and is "1:2.0.19-2" again |
| 16:35.55 | Stskeeps | k - then i will just do the switcheroo in the repo |
| 16:36.21 | johnx | thanks. I'm so sick of waiting for that same package to recompile and get its docs back together |
| 16:36.29 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:36.53 | Stskeeps | why not do DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nodocs though? |
| 16:36.56 | Stskeeps | i did tha :P |
| 16:37.00 | johnx | debian's package doesn't have it |
| 16:37.24 | johnx | I could add it, but that's one more thing to go wrong |
| 16:38.09 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 16:41.51 | Stskeeps | added to repo |
| 16:42.26 | johnx | thanks. I'll keep my versions correct from now on |
| 16:44.53 | Guysoft42 | hey, i seem to have a bug when i type an email in hebrew with the on-screen keyboard. the e-mail program crashes. where do i report that bug? |
| 16:45.55 | Stskeeps | bugs.maemo.org i believe |
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| 16:46.53 | Guysoft42 | you think anyone will handle it? |
| 16:47.10 | Stskeeps | well the hebrew thing was part of the OS or not? |
| 16:48.00 | Stskeeps | and the e-mail program shouldn't crash at international input |
| 16:48.53 | Guysoft42 | its the hebrew package.... |
| 16:48.56 | Guysoft42 | not sure what repository it comes from |
| 16:49.08 | johnx | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/him-hebrew/ |
| 16:51.31 | Stskeeps | still, it shouldn't crash at international input :P |
| 16:51.33 | Stskeeps | try reporting it anyway |
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| 17:01.32 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: johnx ran into the clicking problem too btw |
| 17:01.32 | Guysoft42 | maybe its bidi... there was a simular bug in nautilus when copying multiple files in hebrew only |
| 17:02.10 | Meiz_n810 | Allright, at the second i am reflashing my n810, you guys upload hildon-desktop and make world littlebit better. |
| 17:02.26 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hehe.. still some small issues to go |
| 17:02.29 | johnx | Meiz_n810, have a fix for mouse events coming up too :) |
| 17:02.46 | Meiz_n810 | It looks like xorg does not work really well with tslib |
| 17:02.50 | Meiz_n810 | :( |
| 17:03.18 | johnx | define "not well" |
| 17:03.42 | johnx | there is probably more than one problem with things as they are :) |
| 17:03.53 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 17:04.07 | Stskeeps | i still think it's amazing to have xorg and not some kdrive thing |
| 17:04.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:04.53 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 17:05.13 | ShadowJK_ | What advantage does xorg have? |
| 17:05.27 | johnx | input support |
| 17:05.29 | Meiz_n810 | can i get wlan working? for now it is the only reason i have to chroot... |
| 17:05.53 | ShadowJK_ | hm |
| 17:05.54 | ShadowJK_ | input support? |
| 17:06.02 | johnx | ShadowJK_, more of it :) |
| 17:06.03 | Meiz_n810 | mouse works |
| 17:06.15 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, i'll make some nonfree hack at some point |
| 17:06.16 | Stskeeps | for firmware tc |
| 17:06.18 | ShadowJK_ | johnx, what's missing in kdrive? |
| 17:06.39 | Stskeeps | ponders if xinerama is possible.. :> |
| 17:07.04 | Meiz_n810 | ShadowJK_: you can not use "real" mouse. |
| 17:07.23 | ShadowJK_ | No support for normal mice? |
| 17:07.48 | ShadowJK_ | I've had mouse pointer appear and stick until reboot once... |
| 17:08.10 | johnx | I think the HAL patch might be interfering with the button release patch :/ we can always re-add HAL support later |
| 17:08.18 | ShadowJK_ | But I guess if it doesn't know how to read /dev/input/mice :( |
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| 17:11.55 | Meizirkki | m-r console just started asking me a password |
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| 17:12.19 | Stskeeps | right, i forgot to add passwd and securetty in installer |
| 17:13.41 | Meizirkki | passwd is installed |
| 17:14.00 | Meizirkki | back to chroot |
| 17:14.16 | Meizirkki | and now back to m-r |
| 17:16.25 | Meizirkki | johnx: does the keyboard work in xorg? |
| 17:16.41 | Meizirkki | i remember i was unable to type anything in gdm |
| 17:16.42 | johnx | I honestly have no idea. it does on my zaurus though |
| 17:16.50 | johnx | likely a HAL thing |
| 17:17.01 | Meizirkki | ok |
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| 17:21.04 | Meizirkki | If i force-architecture tablet-hw-n8x0-non-free and install wlan-firmware, should i be able to connect open wlan somehow? |
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| 17:21.31 | Stskeeps | mm, somewhat |
| 17:21.41 | Stskeeps | you're probably better off waiting for me :) |
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| 17:28.10 | johnx | rotated framebuffers are funny. always strange to see the screen refresh from left to right :) |
| 17:28.19 | qwerty12 | Does sshfs explicitly need openssh-client? |
| 17:28.20 | guysoft422 | strange.. the bug stoped.. and it happened twice. |
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| 17:31.03 | RST38h | anyone knows what gtk event i can use to track a stylus/finger drag? |
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| 17:47.29 | Bilaw | hello all! |
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| 17:51.14 | Bilaw | I'am having a serious problem with my tablet: it keeps rebooting (memory card corrupted or not fomated). I am trying to reflash it (I'm using Linux), but bash says: Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted |
| 17:51.23 | Bilaw | Any idea , anyone? |
| 17:51.31 | andre____ | what exact flash command do you use? |
| 17:51.33 | qwerty12 | prefix the command with sudo |
| 17:51.43 | andre____ | become root i guess, yepp |
| 17:52.23 | Bilaw | Alright, I'll try that! |
| 17:57.03 | Bilaw | Holly mackerel, it was ONLY that ('tis about my fourth reflashing, and I still can't learn how to do it properly?!?). Many thanks, andre__ & qwerty12! |
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| 17:57.47 | andre__ | there's a wiki page describing it :-P |
| 17:58.48 | Bilaw | but this page IS MY BIBLE, andre__! Here's the sadness in it! Even though I read VERY carefully everytime, theres still something I miss! |
| 17:59.20 | dt | Is there a simple command to add a file to the media player's current playlist? |
| 18:00.02 | dt | thinking I'd like gpodder to enqueue, at least sometimes |
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| 18:06.05 | Veggen | evening. |
| 18:06.49 | Veggen | Had a rather annoying GPS-event in the weekend, with my BGT-31. The UI *completely* locked up. Was impossible to turn off at all, and battery can not be removed. |
| 18:07.01 | Veggen | But now, it ran out of batteries - and is om again. |
| 18:07.10 | Veggen | ugh. wrong channel. |
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| 18:07.30 | disco_stu | lol |
| 18:07.38 | johnx | makes a note to stay away from the BGT-31 |
| 18:07.57 | qwerty12 | googles BGT-31 and realises I'd never want to buy it anyway :P |
| 18:08.06 | johnx | I don't really trust things without an off switch anyways |
| 18:08.30 | johnx | but it's always funny when I "crash" me bt headphones while testing |
| 18:08.32 | disco_stu | copies from his irc mates |
| 18:08.40 | RST38h | same crap happens with other receivers as well |
| 18:09.23 | RST38h | holux 240 is like that as well - had to return it after it went nuts |
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| 18:10.27 | Veggen | qwerty12: I kind of like it enough to give it another try :) |
| 18:11.08 | Veggen | i.e. it's damned good for my use :) |
| 18:11.16 | qwerty12 | :). I have no need for a GPS anyway at the moment so I'm just rambling :/ |
| 18:11.46 | Veggen | can never have enough GPSes. |
| 18:12.04 | Veggen | I need more of them, so I can lend out to others that can track their hiking trips etc ;) |
| 18:12.27 | disco_stu | Veggen: would you lend me one ? |
| 18:13.02 | Veggen | disco: if you were in my area, and was gonna go on a trip I wanted the track from, definitely. |
| 18:13.19 | disco_stu | lol |
| 18:13.35 | RST38h | Veggen: so, what do you do with those others while you are tracking them on their hiking trip? |
| 18:13.53 | qwerty12 | goes to Norway, gets Veggen to lend me one, goes on a "trip" back to London :p |
| 18:13.53 | disco_stu | are you a stalker ? |
| 18:14.00 | disco_stu | lol |
| 18:14.01 | Veggen | disco_stu: nah, I'm a mapper ;) |
| 18:14.13 | RST38h | is cannibalism involved? =) |
| 18:14.22 | Veggen | www.openstreetmap.org |
| 18:14.23 | disco_stu | Veggen: i can map you argentina if you lend me one |
| 18:14.28 | disco_stu | s/you/for you/ |
| 18:14.53 | Veggen | disco_stu: If you promised to map all of Argentina and stood by it, I'd *donate* one ;) |
| 18:15.01 | Veggen | heck, I might even donate several. |
| 18:16.10 | disco_stu | is a huge country :) |
| 18:16.27 | johnx | well, then you have a lot of work to do |
| 18:16.29 | johnx | :D |
| 18:16.34 | disco_stu | lol |
| 18:18.50 | guysoft422 | hey, does anyone know where i can download tango (gps) for nokia n810? |
| 18:19.36 | disco_stu | Veggen: www.proyectomapear.com.ar |
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| 18:19.49 | disco_stu | Veggen: the whole country mapped |
| 18:19.58 | disco_stu | open source work |
| 18:20.01 | qwerty12 | Hrm, is there a command that shows me the dependencies of a module? |
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| 18:20.45 | qwerty12 | Oh, I'm blind, modinfo :) |
| 18:21.22 | johnx | but you'll have to follow it recursively if you want the whole tree |
| 18:21.43 | Veggen | disco_stu: hmm. Is that a Garmin-map only project? My spanish is non-existing, virtually... |
| 18:21.46 | qwerty12 | Sure, It's only smbfs. I only had to trace it once back to nls_base :) |
| 18:22.39 | disco_stu | Veggen: its only for garmin |
| 18:22.44 | disco_stu | :( |
| 18:23.02 | Veggen | hmmf..and also non-commercial, says the license. |
| 18:23.03 | disco_stu | in my n800 is so slow to open garmin maps |
| 18:23.19 | Veggen | and also only for personal use. |
| 18:23.26 | Veggen | El Usuario es libre de utilizar el Software, copiarlo y distribuirlo en forma gratuita, siempre para uso individual y no comercial. |
| 18:23.50 | Veggen | too bad. |
| 18:24.09 | disco_stu | but we are in argentina |
| 18:24.17 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 18:24.28 | disco_stu | we dont care, we break every law or license |
| 18:24.35 | Veggen | disco: I would not call the "open source"-work, tho. |
| 18:24.44 | disco_stu | so if someone breaks one we dont care |
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| 18:25.01 | johnx | but something like that could never be part of a real international free software project |
| 18:25.21 | Veggen | disco: Well. I wouldn't rip it off to put it into www.openstreetmap.org, cause someone could eventually care, and I would probably have destroyed and caused all Argentina to have to be ripped out again. |
| 18:25.34 | Veggen | (even the contributions made after, because it could be derived from etc) |
| 18:25.53 | disco_stu | i would love to have arg in thah repo :'( |
| 18:26.05 | Veggen | disco_stu: Get a GPS and start on it? ;) |
| 18:26.49 | disco_stu | maybe i would ask that people to change the license |
| 18:27.18 | Veggen | there's some coverage on Argentina in it, though. |
| 18:27.37 | guysoft422 | er - doesn't anyone here use tango gps? |
| 18:27.59 | disco_stu | Veggen: tomorrow google street maps get available for arg |
| 18:28.11 | disco_stu | we are so excited ! |
| 18:28.24 | Veggen | disco_stu: google streetmaps are not free either. |
| 18:28.58 | disco_stu | Veggen: but i can use them on my n800, wich is my need right now |
| 18:31.21 | johnx | Guysoft42, if anyone did, they would have answered the first time |
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| 18:33.08 | disco_stu | guysoft42 what is tango for ? |
| 18:35.02 | disco_stu | Veggen: how much costs a gps to you ? in usd dollars |
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| 18:37.00 | Meizirkki | What the fuck is wrong with my n810 |
| 18:37.18 | Meizirkki | debootstrap naggs about corrupted relese file |
| 18:37.22 | Veggen | disco_stu: depends, but one that you could use with the n800 would cost around $100 for a decent one that has other functions than to relay GPS-info realtime to the n8100. |
| 18:37.26 | Veggen | eh, the n800. |
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| 18:37.58 | Veggen | double it for a decent one that you can log data and mark waypoints with.. |
| 18:38.19 | johnx | Meizirkki, run dmesg and see if something's up with your sd card? |
| 18:38.23 | Veggen | double it again for a good Garmin w/color screen and possibility to use maps etc :) |
| 18:38.56 | StsN800 | Meizirkki, segfault again? |
| 18:39.03 | Meizirkki | no |
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| 18:39.20 | Meizirkki | This time it gone insane another way |
| 18:39.32 | StsN800 | hm? |
| 18:41.27 | Meizirkki | everything was slow, up and down keys was not usable in terminal, etc... |
| 18:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, would the English translations of the categories qualify as your work? |
| 18:41.55 | GeneralAntilles | Robot101, well, they uploaded some of them, but not all of the dependencies are there, so it's not actually installable. |
| 18:44.16 | StsN800 | Meizirkki, in maemo or m-r? |
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| 18:46.40 | StsN800 | wb |
| 18:48.21 | Meiz_n810 | debootstrap never worked when booted from internal mmc, but not the one in flash stopped working |
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| 18:49.23 | johnx | and there's nothing interesting in dmesg? |
| 18:49.36 | StsN800 | weird, md5sum is in /bin? |
| 18:49.45 | Meiz_n810 | wait... |
| 18:49.58 | johnx | StsN800, could be needed in early bootup? |
| 18:50.40 | StsN800 | im not sure what the main problem is:P |
| 18:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | Is qole really that thick? |
| 18:56.59 | johnx | eh? |
| 18:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242424&postcount=122 |
| 18:57.09 | johnx | sure he's not qoling? :D |
| 18:57.22 | StsN800 | watch out, he watches logs ;) |
| 18:57.54 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800 . . . lol. |
| 18:58.08 | GeneralAntilles | I was so hoping you guys were gonna throw down. |
| 18:58.39 | johnx | no time to flame, must hack |
| 18:59.33 | GeneralAntilles | I can only imagine trolling through logs to find places where people have said potentially negative things about you then confronting them about it. |
| 19:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure it was just incidental to reviewing the logs, but the way he approached you about it. . . . |
| 19:00.11 | johnx | I should really go further and defend anyone with the same nick as me :D |
| 19:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, my finger moved to the kick key after he said that. <_< |
| 19:01.05 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, meh - fair is fair, i'm a little blunt at times and i got what i deserved |
| 19:01.54 | GeneralAntilles | I think my karma's stuck. . . . |
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| 19:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, first patch for the open source wifi driver |
| 19:05.27 | gentooer | my root partition is being mounted read only.. i have no clue why. is there anyway to force it RW? |
| 19:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | root partition on a card? |
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| 19:05.50 | gentooer | GeneralAntilles, yes internal card |
| 19:05.54 | gentooer | ext3 |
| 19:05.56 | GeneralAntilles | N810? |
| 19:05.59 | gentooer | n800 |
| 19:06.06 | GeneralAntilles | Is the card corrupted? |
| 19:06.13 | johnx | you should try and run fsck on it |
| 19:06.19 | gentooer | i don't believe so, the second partition mounts fine |
| 19:06.23 | gentooer | i'll check it |
| 19:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | Partitions can become corrupted independently of each other. |
| 19:06.47 | gentooer | hmm i don't have fsck.ext3 installed |
| 19:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | Out of interest, what brand is the card? |
| 19:06.59 | johnx | e2fsprogs |
| 19:07.09 | gentooer | pny |
| 19:07.23 | gentooer | i probably can't install it since it's read only.. |
| 19:07.55 | johnx | ah, you're booting from SD? |
| 19:07.59 | gentooer | yes |
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| 19:08.10 | gentooer | so it's obviously not that messed up |
| 19:08.13 | johnx | dmesg | tail |
| 19:08.28 | johnx | ^anything obviously strange in that^ |
| 19:09.37 | gentooer | just "EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled" |
| 19:09.48 | gentooer | not sure what that's about |
| 19:09.53 | johnx | that's normal |
| 19:09.54 | johnx | well, the remount probably happened a while ago :/ |
| 19:10.07 | johnx | I would try and boot to flash, install e2fsprogs and check it |
| 19:10.21 | gentooer | ok i'll try that |
| 19:10.27 | johnx | it could be some other problem, but it's nice to eliminate fs corruption first |
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| 19:13.03 | Stskeeps | wb Meiz_n810 |
| 19:13.18 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: another cause of corrupted can also be that you didn't have anything in /mnt/deblet mounted |
| 19:13.44 | gentooer | huh.. i just did a reboot from a root shell and everything is fine now.. does the power button not do a full reboot? |
| 19:13.44 | Meiz_n810 | i had |
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| 19:14.19 | qwerty12-N800 | gentooer, not if the charger is in |
| 19:14.20 | johnx | gentooer, check your fs for corruption :P |
| 19:14.54 | gentooer | yeah i'm installing e2fsprogs now |
| 19:14.59 | johnx | good :) |
| 19:15.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: mr1 up |
| 19:15.37 | Stskeeps | of maemo-gtk |
| 19:15.45 | johnx | great |
| 19:15.57 | johnx | I'll put up a new screenshot of hildon-desktop in a sec |
| 19:16.01 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:16.05 | Stskeeps | you got it to be more shinier? |
| 19:16.08 | GeneralAntilles | Who can we get to slap together a DE/user switcher for use on boot? |
| 19:16.33 | johnx | gdm will work "out of the box" |
| 19:17.00 | johnx | but we're not anywhere near that stage yet :P |
| 19:17.07 | Stskeeps | even though gdm is not the most lightweight ;) |
| 19:17.10 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, so the question is actually. "Who will make GDM shiny and sweet"? |
| 19:17.19 | Stskeeps | the world really needs a lightweight dm that looks sane |
| 19:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm a dreamer. ;) |
| 19:17.29 | johnx | no one. the people who want to use it prefer to use desktop apps |
| 19:17.54 | johnx | gpe-dm is close to sane |
| 19:19.07 | Stskeeps | what isn't sane of it though? |
| 19:19.15 | Stskeeps | (is it GTK?) |
| 19:19.19 | johnx | well it's not shiny |
| 19:19.32 | johnx | and it's actually missing a DE switcher |
| 19:19.41 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:19.51 | johnx | but it's lightweight and has a method for having an embedded keyboard |
| 19:20.01 | johnx | s/embedded/embedded onscreen/ |
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| 19:24.46 | guysoft422 | johnx, how come its not available - they seem to mention it in the homepage of tangogps :-S . and open moko user use it.. |
| 19:24.57 | guysoft422 | disco_stu, tango is a gps program |
| 19:25.20 | johnx | Guysoft42, you're asking me why a program I don't use isn't available? |
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| 19:33.33 | guysoft422 | johnx, i am asking - you dont have to answer :-) . |
| 19:33.53 | johnx | I'm just wondering why you're asking me specifically? |
| 19:34.15 | guysoft422 | johnx, you are welcome to advise on another. i am just trying to find a mapping program that works for my county. the thing is that the opem moko user i talked to recommended tangogps |
| 19:34.17 | Stskeeps | johnx: flash count with hildon-icons and such on |
| 19:34.37 | Stskeeps | guysoft422: maemo mapper can take a wide range of online mapping services |
| 19:34.42 | Stskeeps | johnx: +comingup |
| 19:35.09 | johnx | Stskeeps, great, grabbing hildon-icons in a sec, then I'll put up screenshots |
| 19:36.25 | Meiz_n810 | Just reflashed... I hope debootstrap works noe... |
| 19:36.27 | guysoft422 | does it use Openstreetmap? |
| 19:36.30 | Meiz_n810 | *now |
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| 19:37.08 | johnx | Guysoft42, it uses openstreetmap, or google maps, and some other services too |
| 19:37.31 | guysoft422 | johnx, allright, thatks :) |
| 19:38.05 | RST38bis | anybody knows how to track finger/stylus drag in maemo? |
| 19:38.26 | RST38bis | gtk motion event does not seem to work |
| 19:38.39 | guysoft422 | johnx, if you want me to talk about mamo-mapper, it does not seem to detect my gps .. does it need to point to /dev/pgps? or the gpsd at 127.0.0.1? |
| 19:38.58 | johnx | I actually don't have a GPS :) |
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| 19:39.46 | qwerty12-N800 | Guysoft42, set it to bluetooth (yes, even if you are using n810 internal gps) |
| 19:42.04 | guysoft422 | qwerty12-N800, that might solve the problem :-) .. should i put anything else there? |
| 19:42.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: 123mb |
| 19:42.23 | johnx | ah, well, pretty close still |
| 19:42.23 | Stskeeps | not 100% accurate though, going to reinstall image |
| 19:43.08 | qwerty12-N800 | Guysoft42, nope, leave the textbox next to the bluetooth blank :) |
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| 19:48.08 | guysoft422 | qwerty12-N800, right, ill try that next time i have wifi and a clear view of the sky |
| 19:48.36 | guysoft422 | qwerty12-N800, or is there a way to force it to download maps now? |
| 19:49.07 | qwerty12-N800 | no idea, i don't use maemo mapper |
| 19:49.37 | Stskeeps | yeah, qwerty doesn't get out of the house after we made him hack in a cage for our profit |
| 19:49.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:50.07 | guysoft422 | um, anyone else knows maybe? |
| 19:50.08 | qwerty12-N800 | :p |
| 19:50.27 | Stskeeps | guysoft422: search internettablettalk.com/forums for it |
| 19:50.31 | qwerty12-N800 | ~curse initfs for wanting programs in big endian |
| 19:50.31 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, initfs for wanting programs in big endian ! |
| 19:50.31 | Stskeeps | there's a comprehensive guide somewhere |
| 19:50.53 | Stskeeps | why in big endian? |
| 19:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | Force what to download maps? |
| 19:50.57 | Stskeeps | uclibc? :P |
| 19:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper? |
| 19:51.01 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: caching maps in MM |
| 19:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | Just center up the area that you want in your view and download away. . . . |
| 19:51.41 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think there's some good candidates for alternate dependancies.. |
| 19:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | This is my recommendation to anybody and everybody with questions about Maemo Mapper: take 15 minutes and browse through the menu options. Everything you need is there. :) |
| 19:51.49 | Stskeeps | whatever depends on pciutils, for intance. |
| 19:52.11 | Stskeeps | i mean, i would love a pci slot at the edge of my tablet, but.. :P |
| 19:53.01 | Stskeeps | and the things making initramsfs's |
| 19:54.00 | Stskeeps | ok, seriously, the white screen of death on wiki is just too ironic. it is definately a 770 running it. |
| 19:54.07 | johnx | heh |
| 19:54.20 | johnx | openmoko phones apparently have some software related WSoD as well |
| 19:54.36 | Stskeeps | i can't take openmoko seriously after seeing one of them in action |
| 19:54.40 | GeneralAntilles | Do they really? |
| 19:54.40 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:55.18 | johnx | Stskeeps, software problem or hardware? |
| 19:55.46 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure which honestly, but we were trying out the moko equivalent of bluemaemo |
| 19:56.04 | Stskeeps | and i've never seen such a unresponsive and slow interface, and connectivity |
| 19:56.35 | Stskeeps | and not really strong processor either |
| 19:56.57 | Stskeeps | hm, reading up on it, it should really be stronger than it appeared.. |
| 19:57.43 | Stskeeps | waits for debootstrap |
| 19:58.07 | johnx | some kind of memory bus problem |
| 19:58.08 | RST38bis | does bluemaemo work at all? |
| 19:58.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: aren't we quite close to actual base system? missing MCE and DSME, but besides that |
| 19:58.15 | Stskeeps | RST38bis: yeah, it was decent |
| 19:58.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: (or OHM) |
| 19:58.49 | johnx | Stskeeps, I think so |
| 19:58.50 | RST38bis | didn't work for me - host does not find it |
| 19:59.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: for that i think we'll use powerlaunch (MCE) |
| 19:59.11 | Stskeeps | well, powered |
| 19:59.19 | disco_stu | someone could use bluemaemo in Linux ? |
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| 19:59.48 | johnx | new screenshots: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktopxwd.png |
| 19:59.53 | johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png |
| 20:00.12 | johnx | that first one is awesome cause I posted one that looks exactly like it 9 months ago :) |
| 20:00.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: is sapwood running? |
| 20:00.40 | johnx | yes |
| 20:00.46 | johnx | it's working fine too |
| 20:01.11 | Stskeeps | the first one is under same session as the secon? |
| 20:01.14 | Meiz_n810 | Shit, i am out of all fun :( |
| 20:01.29 | Meiz_n810 | i have now reflashed three times |
| 20:01.30 | johnx | nope |
| 20:01.33 | Meiz_n810 | nothing helps |
| 20:01.38 | johnx | first one was before icons |
| 20:01.42 | Stskeeps | johnx: ah! |
| 20:01.51 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: reinstalled deblet installer too? |
| 20:01.55 | RST38bis | try soldering iron! |
| 20:02.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: and this is on n800? |
| 20:02.18 | johnx | interesting side note: hildon-desktop is pretty crashy if it's missing its icons |
| 20:02.18 | Stskeeps | or aurus |
| 20:02.22 | Meiz_n810 | if i reflash, it means i have to install deblet-installer again... |
| 20:02.28 | johnx | Stskeeps, n800 (note 800x480) :) |
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| 20:03.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: bloody glad we made it to this point |
| 20:03.19 | guysoft422 | Stskeeps, thanks ill have a lok |
| 20:03.21 | guysoft422 | look* |
| 20:03.49 | guysoft422 | another question - is there a simple way to set up usb network over linux and the device, so i can sync gpe ? |
| 20:03.59 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah :D this time it feels like we have a sane base to work with |
| 20:04.16 | johnx | unlike the last time I was at this point with all sorts of weird hacks that I didn't even remember |
| 20:04.43 | johnx | Guysoft42, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 20:04.48 | Stskeeps | this with "my" installer, btw? |
| 20:05.14 | johnx | yes, but I ended up installing addition packages so the disk usage isn't representative |
| 20:05.15 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I guess so. |
| 20:05.22 | Stskeeps | johnx: k |
| 20:05.23 | *** part/#maemo nielsle (n=nielsle@1385163737.dhcp.dbnet.dk) |
| 20:05.23 | johnx | can't live without rsync/screen |
| 20:05.26 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:06.06 | Stskeeps | i think i'll wait for my debootstrap and then bait some attention from nokia |
| 20:06.23 | RST38bis | ah, screen.. you saved me so many times... |
| 20:06.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: but these screenshots definately belongs on hall of fame on the jaiku channel :) |
| 20:06.55 | Stskeeps | so should be posted for logging |
| 20:07.15 | Stskeeps | locales worked out of the box? |
| 20:07.28 | johnx | they're somewhat there :/ |
| 20:07.37 | johnx | I had to locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 20:07.42 | Stskeeps | fine, same with me |
| 20:07.49 | johnx | and even so only some of the strings are converted |
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| 20:08.06 | Stskeeps | feel free to add that to the installer so it does that |
| 20:08.10 | Stskeeps | installer copies in xorg.conf as well so |
| 20:08.15 | johnx | also hildon-desktop is somewhat crashy. might just be an artifact of it being pulled from trunk |
| 20:08.40 | johnx | where would the ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb go? somewhere in udev scripts I guess? |
| 20:08.40 | Stskeeps | maybe cos of lack of sound devices |
| 20:08.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: think it's a udev script somewhere |
| 20:09.27 | Stskeeps | we really ought to recompile so it looks for /dev/fb0 instead though |
| 20:10.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: atleast this is a fairly portable maemo base |
| 20:11.54 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, OK, GPLv2 acceptable for the license then? ;) |
| 20:11.54 | Stskeeps | now we can slowly start showing off, i guess, - gparted running without anything but hildonization, etc :P |
| 20:12.26 | johnx | I finally have a reason to learn basic hildonization techniques (!) |
| 20:12.39 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:12.49 | johnx | and no more excuses |
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| 20:13.26 | qwerty12-N800 | learnt the basics the other day, even I could do it :/ |
| 20:13.53 | johnx | I guess I'm just a better procrastinator then :D |
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| 20:14.25 | Stskeeps | we need hildon-input-method and friends too i guess |
| 20:14.38 | qwerty12-N800 | johnx, you don't know me with homework :P |
| 20:14.53 | johnx | qwerty12-N800, been there, done that :P |
| 20:15.00 | Stskeeps | http://v1.moblin.org/toolkits/basicDevGuides/simpleApp/toolkits_DevGds_simpleApp_GTKApp.php |
| 20:15.08 | Stskeeps | seems simple enough |
| 20:15.10 | johnx | I guess we do have the example h-i-m to use |
| 20:15.29 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 20:15.55 | johnx | this time I think we should avoid closed source stuff at an app level |
| 20:16.53 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yeah :) |
| 20:17.03 | qwerty12-N800 | finally fixes that bug where that initfs mod doesn't show more than 5 digits. damn, i've got to learn proper shell scripting |
| 20:17.14 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think it's possible to have flash in this thing too though |
| 20:17.17 | Stskeeps | now that we have maemo-gtk |
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| 20:17.45 | Stskeeps | but for now our target is the "open" base and find out where we can't exist without closed source stuff |
| 20:18.21 | johnx | ok, so time for hildon-input-method :) |
| 20:18.59 | johnx | I think I'll get back to compiling on my n800. the zaurus is just too slow for this O_o |
| 20:19.16 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:19.23 | Stskeeps | we should get sb2 going at some point too i guess |
| 20:20.44 | Stskeeps | even though the opposite direction of qemu and distcc surprisingly works well |
| 20:21.40 | johnx | it fought with scim/anthy (JP input) last time I tried it, so I need to try bootstrapping again |
| 20:21.51 | johnx | qemu, not sb2 |
| 20:22.05 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:22.54 | Stskeeps | think where it works best is having a huge rootstrap with -dev and everything installed, with not that many "fancy" packages on top as the emulation isn't 100% solid |
| 20:23.46 | johnx | well basically, I couldn't get input into the console because scim was trying to be too clever |
| 20:23.51 | RST38bis | sts: first thing to remenber about rootstrap: |
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| 20:24.01 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps, johnx: do you have armv6el rootfs tar.gz somewhere? If not, i can use qoles one. |
| 20:24.16 | RST38bis | do not, DO NOT include TeX |
| 20:24.36 | johnx | Meiz_n810, sorry, I just installed a huge amount of stuff :/ |
| 20:25.04 | RST38bis | no, really, you won't believe it but people do not need tex and docinfo tools |
| 20:25.10 | Meiz_n810 | No problem, i will use qoles :) |
| 20:25.23 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: look in /debootstrap/debootstrap.log on your debootstrap target and tell me if something suspicious tis there |
| 20:25.40 | Stskeeps | RST38bis: aw, but latex is cute =P |
| 20:25.51 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps:ok |
| 20:26.03 | RST38bis | sts: so keep it in your bed or something |
| 20:26.07 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:26.13 | qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps, steady on! :P |
| 20:26.33 | RST38bis | I am also not sure if dev lib versions are necessary |
| 20:26.51 | Stskeeps | RST38bis: you're hereby in charge of developing the sdk |
| 20:26.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:26.53 | RST38bis | too large, may be better off as an option |
| 20:27.20 | RST38bis | sts: ok, how much per hour? =) |
| 20:27.26 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:27.50 | Stskeeps | good man, i said the same the other day to someone who expected i'd do several hours of computer work for free that isn't part of my volunteer work at the dorm |
| 20:27.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:28.50 | Stskeeps | i think i just really need to get my hands dirty with sb2 though |
| 20:29.51 | GeneralAntilles | tex is included in Fremantle |
| 20:29.55 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 20:30.11 | Stskeeps | i mean, i wouldn't mind stuff like LyX on tablet, but. |
| 20:30.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:30.33 | Meiz_n810 | who was the genius asking about md5sum? |
| 20:30.38 | Stskeeps | <- |
| 20:30.38 | Meiz_n810 | thats it |
| 20:30.42 | Stskeeps | told you |
| 20:30.42 | Stskeeps | :p |
| 20:30.52 | Meiz_n810 | where can i get it? |
| 20:31.02 | Stskeeps | run deblet installer but dont make it install |
| 20:31.07 | Stskeeps | (press cancel a couple of types) |
| 20:31.09 | Stskeeps | times |
| 20:31.23 | Meiz_n810 | okk |
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| 20:32.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: we so need to get splash working.. :P |
| 20:32.38 | Stskeeps | as well |
| 20:32.39 | RST38bis | general: if i remember correctly it is needed for some obscure documentation scrit tha nobody really uses |
| 20:32.50 | johnx | sighs |
| 20:33.35 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 20:33.37 | RST38bis | general: unfortunately, it still gets included and then you have to remove it manually to ffree space |
| 20:33.49 | johnx | prefers to see boot messages |
| 20:34.04 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:34.13 | Stskeeps | so do i, but if we're showing off to executives ;) |
| 20:34.27 | Stskeeps | and boot messages are what rescue menu is for |
| 20:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | Just make sure the option is toggleable in a control panel. |
| 20:35.29 | Stskeeps | splash is on by default, hold down "home" button at boot, select framebuffer console in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE ;) |
| 20:35.37 | Stskeeps | to get boot messages |
| 20:36.33 | Stskeeps | 16min50s |
| 20:36.38 | Stskeeps | mojo so needs mirrors. |
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| 20:39.35 | Stskeeps | i guess i should try demoing it on beagle too eventually :P |
| 20:39.49 | Stskeeps | (inspired by GA's deblet on beagle photo) |
| 20:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | glances sadly over at the Beagle. |
| 20:40.18 | johnx | and I'd really love to track down this stupid problem on the zaurus |
| 20:40.19 | Stskeeps | is it dead or? |
| 20:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | Still no working bootloader |
| 20:40.31 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:40.34 | GeneralAntilles | I can't figure it out for some reason. :/ |
| 20:40.45 | GeneralAntilles | So now I'm just waiting a month or two until the kernel stabilizes a bit. :P |
| 20:40.53 | GeneralAntilles | and things like sound and s-video actually work. |
| 20:41.38 | Stskeeps | yeah.. i think i might have pulled the trigger on that too soon when my work bought the two beagles, thought it was decent already |
| 20:41.52 | Stskeeps | so we are working on an atom board atm with a picopsu |
| 20:42.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, as did I. :\ |
| 20:42.33 | Stskeeps | (which also will be running m-r if i have my will.) |
| 20:42.45 | johnx | twiddles his thumbs while he waits for his own omap3 |
| 20:43.00 | GeneralAntilles | The Overo's cheap. |
| 20:43.14 | johnx | but the pandora is ordered :) |
| 20:43.20 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 20:43.56 | johnx | thus my other renewed interest in mojo/re-maemo |
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| 20:44.09 | GeneralAntilles | I'm still saddened that Karel made me hate the Pandora so much. |
| 20:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | Damn that thing is creepy small: http://www.gumstix.net/Overo/cat/Overo/115.html |
| 20:44.56 | johnx | oh, just wait. I can't possibly see a scenario in which he's happy with how it works for the first 6 months |
| 20:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm not really sure what he expects. |
| 20:45.22 | johnx | most of the accessories actually live on a separate board though (re: overo) |
| 20:45.52 | johnx | he expects all the community vaporware to condense into reality before people have them in their hands |
| 20:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | I don't get his angle on the UI |
| 20:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | He seems to hate Maemo so much for having a shitty UI |
| 20:47.02 | guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, did you get the usb-networking to work on diablo? i get "module inversion error" |
| 20:47.03 | johnx | in terms of user experience the n8x0 is basically the shining example for linux handhelds (except android devices) |
| 20:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | Pandora's gonna be, what, Enlightenment? |
| 20:47.25 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, gmenu2x from the start |
| 20:47.37 | johnx | then, whatever people put on it |
| 20:47.40 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft422, my ubuntu desktop disagrees with it for some reason :\ |
| 20:47.53 | guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, so does my debian... |
| 20:48.06 | guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, but i was talking about the nokia device iself |
| 20:48.06 | GeneralAntilles | I love UI projects that don't have screenshots on their websites. |
| 20:48.09 | guysoft422 | itself* |
| 20:48.19 | johnx | that's why I'd like to show up at launch day with maemo-reconstructed and herd everyone in that direction |
| 20:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | Oh yeah, he's gonna loooove this: http://archive.gp2x.de/cfiles/screenshots/gmenu2x.png |
| 20:49.03 | mavhc | really UI projects should have video, I could make a screenshot that made a windows/macos/linux GUI look good |
| 20:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, videos usually mean Flash |
| 20:49.27 | GeneralAntilles | Which I hardly bother loading anymore. |
| 20:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, anyway, I'm not actually interested in an in-depth usability study. I just want to know generally what it looks like. |
| 20:50.58 | johnx | it's things like that gmenu2x screenshot that make me bite my tongue everytime karel trolls, just so I don't tip him off |
| 20:51.16 | johnx | if I was responsible for him adjusting his expectations early, I donn't know what I'd do |
| 20:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:51.49 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo on the Pandora will be cool, though. |
| 20:51.56 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be interesting to see what comes with the alpha SDK |
| 20:51.57 | johnx | yes, I hope so |
| 20:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at the new hell johnx is going to plunge Karel into. |
| 20:52.57 | johnx | I really, really hope that the pandora doesn't end up with 10 mutually exclusive UIs with their own set of programs |
| 20:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo's gonna end up being the only decent one |
| 20:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | he'll never escape! :P |
| 20:53.56 | johnx | ha! and did you see *my* recent screenshot |
| 20:54.01 | johnx | still a long way to go |
| 20:54.03 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: alpha sdk is one thing but qgil indicated there's plenty of room for change |
| 20:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | h-a-m should be included in the alpha release |
| 20:54.23 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how much of the UI is coming with it. |
| 20:54.33 | Stskeeps | which is why we're stressing a bit with m-r atm |
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| 20:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | I wish I had the skills to help. :P |
| 20:55.11 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: meh, you seem to help with community and such atm, which is what i'm personally not that good at |
| 20:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | (which is code for, I'm really glad you guys are doing all of the heavy lifting instead of me. :P) |
| 20:55.40 | johnx | well, if you have a lack of skills, try substituting ungodly stubbornness :D |
| 20:55.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm duplicating your post to bait qgil a bit as he follows my jaikus |
| 20:56.04 | johnx | which post? |
| 20:56.07 | Stskeeps | the scrshot |
| 20:56.11 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 20:57.38 | GeneralAntilles | Be cool if you get some Nokians involved once the SDK is out the door. |
| 20:58.20 | Stskeeps | yeah, think they're a bit stressed out these day |
| 20:58.21 | Stskeeps | s |
| 20:58.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | They're always stressed. |
| 20:58.54 | johnx | they've already done a lot to improve their packages and get caught up with upstream |
| 20:59.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, i was less stressed with this than expected |
| 21:00.01 | johnx | and thank god for the pkg-maemo guys \o/ |
| 21:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, oh, about that bug |
| 21:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | Were you actually expecting a real turnaround there? :P |
| 21:00.46 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 21:00.55 | johnx | awesome jaiku feature: being able to mark my own posts as spam |
| 21:00.55 | Stskeeps | it was testing the waters |
| 21:01.04 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, simple, stupid stuff from 2007 is just now getting WONTFIXed because Nokia ignored it until the window of opportunity ran out. . . . |
| 21:01.11 | johnx | a shot across the bow if you will |
| 21:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | Eero's a good one to CC about platform stuff, anyway. |
| 21:01.37 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: there's plenty other bugs to report from the #reconstructedPOC log |
| 21:02.26 | johnx | heh...I've got two "osso-af-startup exists" and "hildon-initscripts exists" |
| 21:02.58 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 21:03.00 | Stskeeps | h-i-m or? |
| 21:03.08 | johnx | nah, those are my two pet bugs |
| 21:03.11 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 21:03.16 | Stskeeps | that osso-af-startup exists |
| 21:03.21 | Stskeeps | yeah, that's a clusterfuck |
| 21:03.23 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:03.26 | johnx | yeah |
| 21:03.34 | johnx | on the other hand h-i-m-f builds happily :) |
| 21:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | Things will hopefully be changing for Fremantle |
| 21:04.00 | johnx | my magic 8-ball says: those won't |
| 21:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | Well, harass them about it after the alpha's out. |
| 21:05.04 | Stskeeps | we will since dsme and ohm should follow around same time |
| 21:05.25 | johnx | well, here's the thing: It's totally a "not meshing with mainstream distros" bug |
| 21:06.38 | johnx | it *works the way it's intended to* but the design choices are ... strange |
| 21:06.54 | Stskeeps | i think they're going to have to remake a lot of things to work sanely with upstart, really |
| 21:07.12 | johnx | they are switching to upstart? |
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| 21:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | lifts johnx's rock. |
| 21:07.29 | Stskeeps | what GA said |
| 21:07.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:07.42 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, was announced at summit |
| 21:07.46 | Stskeeps | which fits fine with OHM as well |
| 21:07.54 | Stskeeps | that's one reason i wanted ubuntu as base |
| 21:07.58 | johnx | ah, missed the upstart thing |
| 21:08.00 | johnx | huh |
| 21:08.06 | johnx | well that's swell of them |
| 21:08.20 | Stskeeps | cos debian's upstart is .. not updated |
| 21:09.35 | suihkulokki | did ubuntu move to upstart 0.5 yet? |
| 21:10.14 | Stskeeps | 0.3.9 |
| 21:10.25 | Stskeeps | ok, so ubuntu isn't either |
| 21:10.27 | johnx | looks like 0.3.9-8 in intrepid and jaunty |
| 21:10.45 | Stskeeps | but it's embedded in base system which is what i meant :P |
| 21:11.36 | Stskeeps | waits impatiently on install_mr |
| 21:15.38 | johnx | oh yay, Werror strikes again |
| 21:16.33 | qwerty12_N800 | Werror & pedantic need to be killed |
| 21:16.41 | Meiz_n810 | is installing m-r with Stsleeps great installer too. |
| 21:17.11 | johnx | it's just funny because the last changelog entry is from may and I assume they've compiled between then and now |
| 21:17.13 | Meiz_n810 | *Stskeeps =P |
| 21:17.21 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: the svn version? |
| 21:17.51 | Meiz_n810 | downloaded your installer from bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps |
| 21:17.56 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 21:17.59 | Stskeeps | we moved to svn |
| 21:18.04 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 21:18.17 | Stskeeps | svn checkout http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer |
| 21:18.36 | Stskeeps | uploading a new version in a couple of secs though so hang on |
| 21:19.25 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 21:19.39 | Meiz_n810 | i have to start over? |
| 21:19.54 | Meiz_n810 | installing in already on apt-get part |
| 21:20.31 | Meiz_n810 | *is |
| 21:20.33 | Stskeeps | nah, when done, do NO_BOOTSTRAP=1 sh ./install_mr |
| 21:20.45 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 21:21.32 | Stskeeps | will skip debootstrap and just install |
| 21:22.22 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 21:22.28 | RST38bis | yawns |
| 21:22.33 | lcuk | can barely move |
| 21:22.48 | johnx | is ending up in the wrong timezone |
| 21:22.49 | Stskeeps | no bacon? |
| 21:22.51 | lcuk | im typing with my toes cos my arms are gonna fall off |
| 21:22.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: mine? :P |
| 21:22.58 | RST38bis | lcuk: bacon!!! |
| 21:22.59 | johnx | I think so |
| 21:23.06 | johnx | shakes his first at Stskeeps |
| 21:23.08 | lcuk | cant lift blt |
| 21:23.25 | johnx | lcuk, lots of coding or ... ? |
| 21:23.31 | lcuk | i was gonna take nokia to the top of the wall with me for an action shot |
| 21:23.44 | lcuk | but then i had a vision of it bouncing and didnt |
| 21:23.49 | johnx | ah, right, rock climbing |
| 21:23.50 | RST38bis | i am on gprs, but if you look at engadget, you will find an iphone case made of bacon. |
| 21:24.03 | lcuk | chill factor - skiing climbing etc |
| 21:24.25 | lcuk | http://gizmodo.com/5088786/bacon-iphone-case-is-most-savory-gadget-protector-yet |
| 21:24.31 | lcuk | saw it earlier |
| 21:24.36 | RST38bis | dunno if it fits n810, it may |
| 21:24.53 | lcuk | should do |
| 21:25.13 | lcuk | and if not, theres more bacon in the fridge |
| 21:25.42 | Stskeeps | johnx: with locales, 123,6mb base image |
| 21:25.47 | RST38bis | still looking for a way to track stylus movement |
| 21:26.05 | RST38bis | why doesn't motion event work?? |
| 21:26.29 | johnx | wouldn't lots of apps have examples? like maemopad? or are you trying to do something different? |
| 21:27.01 | lcuk | RST38bis, stylus tracking? in what library |
| 21:27.26 | RST38bis | gtk |
| 21:28.01 | RST38bis | johnx: trying to grant you a wish of plot dragging |
| 21:28.07 | lcuk | are you linking the event correcntly? i thought these things came through |
| 21:28.16 | lcuk | or do you need one of those eent handler things |
| 21:28.38 | RST38bis | lcuk: i installed an event handler |
| 21:29.00 | RST38bis | enter/leave events work but motion does not |
| 21:29.25 | Stskeeps | lcuk: saw johnx's screenshot? |
| 21:30.17 | johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png |
| 21:31.03 | lcuk | nice johnx :D starting to look like a real hildon |
| 21:31.48 | johnx | yup. need to build some plugins and hildonized apps now |
| 21:32.05 | Stskeeps | advanced backlight is an obvious candidate too :P |
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| 21:32.35 | johnx | definitely |
| 21:33.30 | Meiz_n810 | is microb open source? |
| 21:33.35 | Stskeeps | not yet |
| 21:33.44 | Stskeeps | but we should use stuff like Tear instead, mho |
| 21:33.45 | Stskeeps | imho |
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| 21:33.58 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 21:34.00 | johnx | fell in love with webkit? |
| 21:34.27 | Stskeeps | after seeing midori.. |
| 21:34.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:34.56 | johnx | midori: not just a color and a melon flavored aclcohol any more |
| 21:34.56 | disco_stu | i love midori too |
| 21:34.59 | Meiz_n810 | Is there a click and drag for tear? |
| 21:35.04 | Stskeeps | we also need stuff like the control panel |
| 21:35.11 | Meiz_n810 | a* |
| 21:35.14 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 21:35.30 | Stskeeps | and h-a-m :P |
| 21:36.03 | Meiz_n810 | Synaptic will work too |
| 21:37.13 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 21:37.21 | Stskeeps | synaptic wasnt compiled just yet i think |
| 21:37.30 | Meiz_n810 | ? |
| 21:37.35 | Meiz_n810 | why? |
| 21:37.35 | Stskeeps | in mojo |
| 21:38.02 | Meiz_n810 | :p |
| 21:38.34 | Stskeeps | .. no clue, go see their build reports |
| 21:38.37 | Stskeeps | it was in waiting |
| 21:38.57 | Meiz_n810 | Canola in m-r would be nice... =) |
| 21:39.57 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:40.01 | Stskeeps | its not open source yet afaik |
| 21:40.07 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, Seen the catpo folder by any chance? |
| 21:40.22 | Meiz_n810 | maemo-mapper? |
| 21:41.25 | Meiz_n810 | is maemo-mapper open source? |
| 21:41.40 | Stskeeps | yeah, but we need gps libs and such |
| 21:41.45 | Stskeeps | you're welcome to start compiling :P |
| 21:42.25 | Meiz_n810 | i will :) |
| 21:42.30 | Stskeeps | ponders what he was about to do |
| 21:42.34 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 21:42.35 | Stskeeps | powerlaunch |
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| 21:44.31 | Meiz_n810 | last time i tried powerlaunc, my n810 gone insane. both screen and hw-keyboard backlight worked randomly... |
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| 21:45.05 | Stskeeps | hm, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/rootimagescripts/ |
| 21:45.07 | Stskeeps | didn't see that before |
| 21:45.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, incomplete last time i looked :/ |
| 21:46.24 | Stskeeps | "echo I AM gconftool-2 THE WRAAAPPPEEEERRR, DUDE!>/dev/stderr |
| 21:46.26 | Stskeeps | wtf. |
| 21:46.53 | Robot101 | lol |
| 21:47.14 | Robot101 | to stop postinst scripts modifying the host system by running gconftool-2 to do schema installations, presumably |
| 21:48.31 | johnx | wow...that is far too awesome for words |
| 21:49.00 | Stskeeps | ok, sumtool, must take that into consideration when we build jffs images |
| 21:49.07 | Stskeeps | it will reduce from 60s mount to 5s mount at first boot :P |
| 21:50.49 | suihkulokki | ;) |
| 21:51.03 | suihkulokki | that's a very old version of rootimage scripts |
| 21:51.16 | Stskeeps | alright, i did notice hints it was old jffs2 versions :P |
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| 22:02.28 | Stskeeps | hah, i didn't know tutorial-applet could be used as a standalone flash player |
| 22:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, hmm? |
| 22:02.51 | lcuk | Stskeeps, neat eh |
| 22:02.58 | Stskeeps | yeah, that's truely awesome |
| 22:08.10 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/2.1.x/catpo/?root=hildon-app-mgr |
| 22:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | We can yank a few of the old ones, then. |
| 22:12.13 | Stskeeps | respect to nokia about libconic's true purpose, they actually insist on their apps using libconic, and not talking directly to ICD |
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| 22:16.31 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Segmentation fault is really annoying, every second installation ends up with it |
| 22:16.55 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: gimme a copy of your debootstrap.log next time |
| 22:16.59 | Stskeeps | when it fails |
| 22:17.05 | Stskeeps | (it may be in var/log/bootstrap.log too) |
| 22:17.12 | Meiz_n810 | it failed now |
| 22:17.26 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:17.30 | Stskeeps | then get me that :P |
| 22:17.37 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
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| 22:18.24 | Meiz_n810 | where is the log file? |
| 22:18.38 | Stskeeps | debootstrap/debootstrap.log or var/log/bootstrap.log |
| 22:18.50 | Stskeeps | on the target |
| 22:18.54 | Meiz_n810 | found it |
| 22:18.56 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 22:23.18 | Meiz_n810 | http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gyiywhnm2tj |
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| 22:24.29 | AngieQ | wonders if there is a keylogger for the n810 |
| 22:24.58 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: k, i'm giving you a scp account :P |
| 22:24.58 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: k, i'm giving you a scp account sec |
| 22:29.49 | bef0rd | uhm |
| 22:29.50 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: done |
| 22:30.01 | bef0rd | wiki seems to be broken :/ |
| 22:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | Working fine |
| 22:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | Reload. . . . |
| 22:32.23 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles seems to be broken :P |
| 22:32.25 | bef0rd | oh, weird, I get a blank page at http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 22:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | Reload |
| 22:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure you clear any cache. |
| 22:32.37 | bef0rd | but other pages work |
| 22:32.51 | qwerty12_N800 | bef0rd, ctrl+shift+r |
| 22:33.20 | mikkov_ | one of the mystic bugs of maemo.org... |
| 22:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | Not really mystic |
| 22:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | They just need to upgrade them damn server already. |
| 22:33.47 | mikkov_ | it must be mystic if it takes this long to fix ;) |
| 22:34.08 | bef0rd | thanks qwerty12_N800, that actually worked. I was using ctrl + r only :P |
| 22:36.14 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: looks perfectly sane |
| 22:36.33 | johnx | hildon-common-strings-l10n will probably fill out more of the strings in hildon-desktop |
| 22:36.37 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 22:36.47 | Stskeeps | i mean, common and all.. |
| 22:36.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:37.05 | johnx | also a dep of hildon-input-method |
| 22:38.46 | lcuk | 's arms are gonna drop off |
| 22:39.12 | Stskeeps | what on earth have you been doing? |
| 22:39.19 | lcuk | rockclimbing |
| 22:39.45 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:40.10 | lcuk | and im a seriously out of shape computer geek, i do this perhaps 2-3 times a year mainly cos it takes so long to recover |
| 22:40.35 | lcuk | stretches my back out though |
| 22:40.45 | johnx | so does a torture rack |
| 22:40.54 | lcuk | can you still buy them>? |
| 22:41.00 | lcuk | it would be easier |
| 22:41.02 | AngieQ | mmmmm, the rack.... |
| 22:41.18 | bef0rd | ~flashing |
| 22:41.19 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:41.27 | lcuk | laughs at the SNL "iRack" skit |
| 22:41.51 | lcuk | *madtv |
| 22:42.37 | Stskeeps | johnx: powerlaunch up |
| 22:42.44 | Stskeeps | powered is probably of most interest |
| 22:43.00 | johnx | awesome |
| 22:43.15 | johnx | I'll put hildon-input-* up and then probably pass out somewhere |
| 22:43.42 | Stskeeps | same here |
| 22:45.09 | Stskeeps | for end result M-R base we should abstract out some of the powered part.. or even hint austin about this work |
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| 22:45.50 | Stskeeps | like, LED control doesn't always make sense :P |
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| 22:52.16 | Stskeeps | wonders idly if powerlaunch is turing complete. |
| 22:52.42 | lcuk | damn, my lifetime record 2 week linux uptime died along with my battery |
| 22:54.33 | qwerty12_N800 | used to have fun running uptimed on the tablet :P |
| 22:55.11 | Stskeeps | okay. seriously, powerlaunch is a small programming language. |
| 22:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:55.31 | Stskeeps | no wonder noone can figure out how it works |
| 22:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | powerlaunch typically hasn't been stable enough when I've tried to use it. |
| 22:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | It needs another layer of abstraction for humans. |
| 22:56.05 | Stskeeps | oh, i agree, but it is a systemui+mce replacement |
| 22:56.07 | lcuk | heh "powerlaunch2, now with butler service" |
| 22:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | A half-dozen pretty, clean, useful default setups would do wonders for its adoption rate. |
| 22:56.42 | Stskeeps | plans to abuse the std conf in m-r |
| 22:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | Currently it's a bit like being handed a Build Your Own Formula 1 Car kit |
| 22:57.15 | GeneralAntilles | With the only instructions being "Put all the parts together" |
| 22:57.16 | Stskeeps | .. if i can figure out how the heck it's glued togethher |
| 22:57.32 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so you mean it's the best day of your whole life? |
| 22:58.02 | GAN800 | Hehe, if only I had that much free time. ;) |
| 22:59.41 | GAN800 | But while that might be fun for a lot of us, normal people look at it and run screaming. |
| 22:59.50 | Stskeeps | i mean.. |
| 22:59.51 | Stskeeps | on_show = if $offline inofflinemode innormalmode; widget_list systemui_menu.main.treeview tklock "Lock touch screen and keys" softpoweroff "Soft poweroff" switch_mode $mode_text device_lock "Lock device" reboot "Reboot" shutdown "Switch off!"; widget_set systemui_menu.main.treeview 0; widget_focus systemui_menu.main.treeview; widget_show systemui_menu |
| 23:00.56 | Stskeeps | i start to wonder if he has a JIT and a bytecode interpreter in there too.. |
| 23:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody would just take the time to put together a control panel and preset pack. |
| 23:04.03 | johnx | that's pretty crazy |
| 23:04.07 | johnx | is it turing complete? |
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| 23:04.16 | Stskeeps | yes, that was what i was pondering |
| 23:04.49 | johnx | why settle for a power daemon that is anything less? :D |
| 23:04.54 | Stskeeps | this is insane enough to make me think that definately should be in m-r |
| 23:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | Only if you actually provide sane defaults. |
| 23:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise you're just being mean to normal people. |
| 23:05.48 | Stskeeps | yes, ofcourse |
| 23:09.51 | Stskeeps | ponders if MCE led patterns are copyrighted. |
| 23:10.15 | Stskeeps | "PatternPsychedelia" (from mce.ini) |
| 23:10.20 | Stskeeps | tablet going into a seizure? |
| 23:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:10.27 | johnx | I'd love to see that go to court |
| 23:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should do a morse set |
| 23:11.01 | johnx | what about tablet-to-tablet communication with LED flashes picked up by the camera? |
| 23:11.24 | Stskeeps | right, this is getting insane enough for me to head to bed :P |
| 23:12.30 | johnx | me too, I can't really think coherently about packaging any more, but I think we'll have a working hildon-input-method in a couple minutes |
| 23:12.32 | lcuk | johnx, i believe we considered semaphore with that before linuxtag |
| 23:13.08 | johnx | :D could you do uucp over that? |
| 23:14.07 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:14.20 | lcuk | problem is the data rate |
| 23:14.36 | lcuk | i suppose you could multiplex and use all 3 colors |
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| 23:14.38 | lcuk | and filter it |
| 23:14.58 | johnx | not on an n800 :/ |
| 23:14.58 | lcuk | or just use a matrix on the screen |
| 23:15.15 | GeneralAntilles | . . . and this is better than Bluetooth, why? :P |
| 23:15.18 | johnx | heh, dynamically generated qr codes? |
| 23:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | slaps everyone in the room with a reality check. |
| 23:16.10 | lcuk | bluetooth is so harsh and computery, you want something warm and cosy like blinding someone by shining an n8x0 strobe at them |
| 23:16.14 | johnx | you compile hildon deps for a couple days and tell me how well you maintain your objective grip on reality :P |
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| 23:17.21 | johnx | also, it's an excuse to bring back uucp |
| 23:18.02 | lcuk | uucp over tcp :) |
| 23:18.23 | johnx | nah, that would take all the unreliability out of it |
| 23:18.26 | johnx | that's like cheating |
| 23:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:18.59 | lcuk | get me a back-hoe and ill bring back the "reliability" you seek |
| 23:19.25 | lcuk | (and a ticket to your country - japan isnt it?) |
| 23:19.44 | johnx | that's what the host mask says I guess :) |
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| 23:28.44 | johnx | Mand off to sleep with me. O_o |
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