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| 00:44.40 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, define "lame WONTFIXes" ;-) |
| 00:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | WONTFIXed because Nokia couldn't be bothered to triage their goddamn bugs, and here we are 8 months after they were filed with Diablo having been frozen. |
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| 00:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | is now done venting about Bugzilla. |
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| 02:14.03 | lcuk | Khertgan_again, not on orange now :) |
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| 03:04.15 | lcuk | damn! thats the most sensible thing ive heard goron brown say in a long time http://othernews.uk.myway.com/article//20081114/B142323291226670321A0.html |
| 03:09.51 | woglinde | lcuk get om sleep |
| 03:10.02 | woglinde | I will do the same now |
| 03:10.12 | lcuk | im thinking :) |
| 03:10.28 | lcuk | very peacefully actually |
| 03:10.29 | woglinde | about what? |
| 03:11.37 | lcuk | parsing and trees and recursion and journeys :) ive stripped liqbase down to a raw core |
| 03:12.43 | lcuk | its going to be rebuild extremely cleanly using only the components that worked and adjustments to those which didn't |
| 03:13.44 | woglinde | yes |
| 03:13.49 | woglinde | good way |
| 03:13.54 | woglinde | for software engeneering |
| 03:14.08 | woglinde | crictical commits only by 2 acks from devs |
| 03:14.09 | woglinde | haha |
| 03:14.40 | lcuk | heh |
| 03:16.06 | woglinde | okay |
| 03:16.10 | woglinde | just joking |
| 03:16.13 | woglinde | good nite |
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| 06:42.27 | johnx | ok, osso-af-startup is full of "do not want" :P |
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| 07:22.33 | Meiz_n810_ | Stskeeps installer worked great |
| 07:23.39 | Meiz_n810 | But after debootstrapping apt-get asked Y/n. |
| 07:24.22 | johnx | what did it want to do? |
| 07:25.11 | Meiz_n810 | just install packages normally, but i tought it would not ask. Deblet installer uses -y and --force-yes options |
| 07:25.34 | Meiz_n810 | but i think it is better when it aska |
| 07:25.39 | Meiz_n810 | *asks |
| 07:26.20 | Meiz_n810 | because i loose sometimes my internet connection... |
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| 07:59.32 | RST38h | yaen |
| 07:59.36 | RST38h | yawn, sorry |
| 08:00.49 | johnx | love to stay around of the yawning but I have beer to drink :D 'later |
| 08:03.52 | hahlobit | beer is better |
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| 08:14.29 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah |
| 08:18.48 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps, is usb host mode enabled in m-r for default |
| 08:19.19 | Stskeeps | if usbnet isn't enabled i guess it is in whatever standard mode it is wihout gadget loaded |
| 08:21.08 | RST38h | Sts: Is SB2 broken again? After the last update, it can no longer package stuff |
| 08:21.21 | Meiz_n810 | If i add host mode command in rc.local, will i be able to use usb-keyboard? |
| 08:21.38 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: possibly, i never tried usb host stuff on my tablet |
| 08:21.45 | RST38h | Reports a broken assert() in xargs at the dh_fixperms stage |
| 08:21.45 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no clue, haven't used it for a wihle |
| 08:21.54 | Stskeeps | i'm at my trusty qemu + distcc to crosscompiler |
| 08:22.05 | RST38h | Sts: I thought you were using sb2 as a model? =) |
| 08:22.28 | Stskeeps | i was |
| 08:22.45 | Stskeeps | right now we're just going for the OS running and having sufficient packages and developing for it |
| 08:22.50 | Stskeeps | and then when that's stable, make a rootstrap for it |
| 08:23.34 | ryoohki | anyone here use maemo mapper? |
| 08:23.45 | RST38h | ryoohki: yes. your question? |
| 08:23.52 | Stskeeps | i will eventually return to sb2 though |
| 08:24.01 | Stskeeps | since we discovered why the X server died in the emulator |
| 08:24.10 | RST38h | Looks like sb2 goes into some kind of an infinite directory traversal |
| 08:24.15 | ryoohki | how do i set the start address, then end address, and have it plot a trip so i use the download maops along route feature? |
| 08:24.33 | RST38h | ryoohki: You don't, it does not work well. |
| 08:25.44 | hahlobit | if usb host mode in use can luser crank up more voltage to usb port somehow? |
| 08:26.06 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps, usb-host mode worked with deblet, but i don't know is it possible tu use usb-keyboard in fb-console. (why not) |
| 08:26.07 | Stskeeps | isn't it like max 200mA without powered usb hub on n800/n810s? |
| 08:26.13 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: try? :P |
| 08:26.29 | Meiz_n810 | yep, when i get back to home |
| 08:26.56 | Stskeeps | pft, i've seen people stare at me when i've popped a mattery in the bus ;) |
| 08:27.10 | hahlobit | usb powered fan doesn't run well |
| 08:28.19 | Meiz_n810 | get mugen battery, and hack tablet to give fan a lot power? |
| 08:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | hahlobit, USB OTG is limited to 100mA |
| 08:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, see the help, but, download the route (from the menu), then do the normal manage maps steps except pick along route instead of area. |
| 08:29.20 | Meiz_n810 | fan will drain a lot battery :p |
| 08:30.14 | qwerty12 | hahlobit, just get a normal pocket fan, round here, practically any shop selling them sells them for £1 :P |
| 08:31.21 | ryoohki | but the problem is, how do i say "From the current gps coordinates, i'm going to "123 Address Pl, Town, ST 95123"? |
| 08:32.08 | ryoohki | also, does nayone know if a new rom image has been made available for the n810 wimax edition? |
| 08:32.11 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: are you trying to make your tablet fly? :P |
| 08:32.33 | ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: i read help but it doesn't really say very much\ |
| 08:32.39 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | In the "Route" menu, appropriately enough. |
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| 08:33.49 | RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/raymond-%E2%80%9Cchuck%E2%80%9D-foster-imperial-wizard-of-the-kkk/ |
| 08:34.07 | RST38h | do kkk members qualify as geeks? |
| 08:34.44 | ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: yes i see but there is only Open/Download/Save/Show Distance to Next Waypoint/Show Distance to End of Route/Reset/Clear there is no "Enter Start Addres" or "Enter End Address" |
| 08:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | Tap Download |
| 08:35.50 | GeneralAntilles | then use the dialog that pops up. . . . |
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| 08:38.40 | ryoohki | is there a way to use google maps? |
| 08:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | Um? |
| 08:39.10 | Meiz_n810 | yes, there is |
| 08:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, take 15 minutes and just tap through the dialogs a bit. |
| 08:39.39 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the prosecutor said "It's kind of impressive for a group with a pretty small IQ to be able to cleanse that site so well," - after the people who did it went to a local shop and asked how to get blood stains out of their clothes.. and the shop keeper then called the cops |
| 08:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | Everything you need is fairly easy to get to. :) |
| 08:44.29 | RST38h | Sts: yea, not the brightest bunch |
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| 08:46.25 | RST38h | Sts: they make late Pvt. Lynndie England look bright. |
| 08:46.48 | RST38h | [and cute too, as horrible as it may sound] |
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| 08:49.29 | jagernot | where can i find dh_make? |
| 08:49.38 | jagernot | dh_make command not found in scratchbox |
| 08:49.43 | jagernot | or on my local machine |
| 08:50.23 | ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: thanks! working now! |
| 08:50.44 | RST38h | dh_make is a step in packaging process, right? |
| 08:51.04 | qwerty12 | yeah, makes a debian folder with sample rules etc |
| 08:51.27 | jagernot | yes RST |
| 08:52.02 | RST38h | remembers typing something to this effect in sb1 but it wasn't dh_make |
| 08:52.07 | RST38h | weird |
| 08:53.45 | jagernot | i have a whole bunch of dh_ files except dh_make in scratchbox |
| 08:54.13 | qwerty12 | jagernot, post the contents of "echo $PATH" on a pastebin |
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| 08:55.00 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody else think the profile link in the maemo.org header should link to the profile proper instead of the edit page? |
| 08:55.19 | jagernot | what is a pastebin qwerty? |
| 08:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | ~pastebin |
| 08:55.25 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 08:55.39 | RST38h | GAN: I do |
| 08:55.52 | RST38h | GAN: Suggested that months ago, too |
| 08:56.10 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, did you file a bug? |
| 08:56.20 | RST38h | Don't remember. A moment. |
| 08:56.37 | jagernot | http://pastebin.com/m7fd74548 |
| 08:56.50 | jagernot | qwerty12: http://pastebin.com/m7fd74548 |
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| 08:57.10 | qwerty12 | jagernot, yep. That isn't complete. Are you in diablo armel target? |
| 08:57.41 | jagernot | qwerty: what does that mean? im in scratchbox |
| 08:58.00 | qwerty12 | jagernot, does it say [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL:? |
| 08:58.18 | jagernot | qwerty: yep...only CHINOOK_ARMEL |
| 08:58.28 | jagernot | sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL > |
| 08:59.06 | RST38h | GAN: I did not. |
| 08:59.15 | RST38h | But you seem to have filed one already, I am voting for it. |
| 08:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | Have I? |
| 09:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, that one's different |
| 09:00.11 | RST38h | no, it is different |
| 09:00.18 | RST38h | ok, I will file one for edit profile |
| 09:00.23 | qwerty12 | jagernot, run "sudo gedit /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL.config" and where it says SBOX_DEVKIT_NAMES, add :debian-etch to the end |
| 09:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | That's modifying the breadcrumb in the profile view to let you get to the list view |
| 09:00.33 | GeneralAntilles | bug 3861, RST38h. |
| 09:00.40 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3861 |
| 09:01.18 | qwerty12 | jagernot, then restart scratchbox and see if dh_make shows up then |
| 09:01.34 | RST38h | ack. voted. |
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| 09:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | wins the karma-whoring skirmish. :P |
| 09:02.40 | jagernot | qwerty12: cant do that says SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set |
| 09:03.06 | RST38h | me throws a laurel leaf in General's direction |
| 09:03.09 | qwerty12 | jagernot, I'd reinstall scratchbox. I don't know how you installed it but clearly, it's not been done right. |
| 09:03.36 | jagernot | i installed from the automated scripts |
| 09:04.17 | qwerty12 | Then the targets should have been set up properly with SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD set to the right qemu etc. you should have debian-etch as a devkit already |
| 09:04.52 | qwerty12 | jagernot, for reference, here's my diablo_armel config : http://pastebin.com/m9bab027 |
| 09:05.30 | jagernot | ok thanks will check |
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| 09:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, thanking Texrat but not me. Too ranty? ;) :P |
| 09:08.21 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you quoted yourself :P |
| 09:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | Only to illustrate where bugs entered into the discussion. ;) |
| 09:08.52 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:14.27 | Stskeeps | thanked now :P i read the post when i was just waking up :P |
| 09:16.14 | GAN800 | I'm going to have to start whoring by quoting clever things I've said in the past in reply to vaguely related posts. :D |
| 09:16.49 | Stskeeps | i'm just waiting for your postings to become sentient and start replicating themselves.. |
| 09:16.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:16.53 | jagernot | qwerty12: what is a rootstrap and how do i install 1 |
| 09:17.55 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: pop quiz, does setting performance cpu governor while booting decrease boot time, and is it noticable on battery? |
| 09:18.14 | Stskeeps | as in, start from rootfs booting till hildon has started |
| 09:18.33 | GAN800 | I need a karma-whoring bot |
| 09:18.58 | qwerty12 | jagernot, a rootstrap is like a base (afaik) and installing one, i have no idea how to (except when making a new target). The scripts should have installed the rootstrap for you. |
| 09:19.12 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I've never tried setting performance on boot |
| 09:19.26 | qwerty12 | (though it's a one liner in linuxrc...) |
| 09:19.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: could be interesting to see if it improves anything |
| 09:21.46 | Stskeeps | http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2008/11/11/license_hacking/ <- and this is why I don't like GPL and friends. |
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| 09:33.10 | RST38h | gan: if you continue at this rate, your karma will exceed quim's and that will be unmodest! |
| 09:33.16 | RST38h | =0 |
| 09:34.24 | GAN800 | Does that mean I have to eat his heart? :P |
| 09:34.58 | RST38h | yes but only if we get to watch it on video |
| 09:35.21 | Stskeeps | battle to the death in the circle of karma? :P |
| 09:36.12 | GAN800 | pistols at dawn |
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| 09:39.13 | RST38h | ok, xargs is broken in sb2 |
| 09:39.37 | RST38h | the weird thing is that typing "sb2 xargs" works but going into sb2 and then running xargs does not |
| 09:41.20 | qwerty12 | Check which xargs it's running. |
| 09:41.30 | hahlobit | Stskeeps: ok probably something wrong in the fan. in laptop it runs well only one usb-port which gives more power. |
| 09:42.58 | hahlobit | increasing voltage could be useful in the other things too. |
| 09:45.20 | GAN800 | USB OTG is rated for 100mA |
| 09:45.47 | GAN800 | You may be able to increase it, but say goodbye to battery life. |
| 09:46.04 | GAN800 | No guarantees that you wont damage the interface, either. |
| 09:49.55 | RST38h | [SB2 devel chinook40_armel] fms@ubuntu NXC2600 $ which xargs |
| 09:50.05 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.57 | qwerty12 | What about when you run "sb2 which xargs"? Still the same? |
| 09:52.13 | Stskeeps | and sb2 -e which args |
| 09:52.15 | Stskeeps | xargs |
| 09:53.36 | RST38h | sb2 -e which xargs does not print anything |
| 09:53.57 | RST38h | sb2 which args prints /usr/bin/cargs |
| 09:54.01 | RST38h | xargs sorry |
| 09:54.14 | Stskeeps | no xargs in the rootstrap? |
| 09:54.22 | GNUton | gmorning guys |
| 09:54.58 | RST38h | Sts: why should it run rootstrap's xargs? I am using host tools |
| 09:55.18 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 09:58.07 | Stskeeps | thinks iTT should have a "i went for device Y instead of n8x0 because of" thread, instead of the constant new threads.. |
| 09:58.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:58.42 | RST38h | Sts: The shorter title would be "I am bitter now" |
| 09:58.47 | Stskeeps | yes, that too |
| 10:00.10 | GAN800 | 'I think people actually care what I spend my money on.' |
| 10:03.09 | Stskeeps | glances at gplv3 |
| 10:03.45 | GAN800 | Actually, that's really not a bad plan. |
| 10:03.53 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 10:03.59 | GAN800 | I may post a Comment/Suggest later. |
| 10:04.43 | GAN800 | 'My self-importance is so overwhelming that I think everybody needs to know what device I used.' |
| 10:04.48 | GAN800 | s/used/use/ |
| 10:04.55 | GAN800 | Device y thread |
| 10:05.01 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:05.12 | GAN800 | Much easier to ignore one thread instead of dozens. |
| 10:09.45 | hahlobit | is there much diffrence between tablets? some say 770 was better built. |
| 10:11.29 | qwerty12 | Yep, they were built so well, the WSOD is a myth |
| 10:11.48 | Stskeeps | so, license discussion of the day. does GPLv3 software on a mobile device pose problems for a open platform, open device (as in, non-tivo like restrictions on replacing software/gaining root)? |
| 10:12.24 | Stskeeps | just something i'm pondering after reading through gplv3 highlights |
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| 10:13.15 | hahlobit | i only have n800, most have all three |
| 10:15.33 | Stskeeps | only has a n800 as well |
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| 10:27.07 | lcuk | Stskeeps, how do you get input to your 800 |
| 10:27.32 | Stskeeps | lcuk: touchscreen |
| 10:27.43 | Stskeeps | which is why i type slowly when im on it :P |
| 10:28.05 | lcuk | what about when you are faffing with all this reinstallation stuff and you dont have touchy keyboard |
| 10:28.14 | Stskeeps | sshing in |
| 10:28.21 | Stskeeps | or telnet through usb |
| 10:28.47 | lcuk | ok, so you are used to using your big computer keyboard as an input device for n800 :) |
| 10:28.50 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:28.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:28.51 | lcuk | great! |
| 10:30.34 | Stskeeps | right, i'm off to pick up my dad at the station |
| 10:31.13 | lcuk | have fun |
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| 10:42.04 | StsN800 | n800, the best travel device |
| 10:42.36 | hellwolf-n810 | what about n810 |
| 10:42.42 | StsN800 | 3g tethering, xchat, music, etc:) |
| 10:43.00 | StsN800 | well, n8x0 then |
| 10:43.15 | hellwolf-n810 | :D |
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| 10:47.55 | StsN801 | until microb freezes up the ui obviously. |
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| 10:59.39 | StsN801 | qwerty12, what interesting apps have you had to give up on cos of lack of proper unix base/gtkmm/dependancies? |
| 11:00.12 | StsN801 | give up trying to port that is |
| 11:01.01 | lcuk | StsN801, opengl-es |
| 11:01.35 | StsN801 | yeah, ok, but thats hw support? |
| 11:01.44 | qwerty12 | StsN801, gparted, aptitude, aircrack-ng (although I got this one to compile with cs2008 toolchain) |
| 11:02.31 | StsN801 | k |
| 11:03.35 | StsN801 | im thinking to start an itt thread asking what apps people didn't manage to port and why |
| 11:03.57 | StsN801 | to show theres room for improvement |
| 11:04.09 | qwerty12 | StsN801, -developers rather? |
| 11:04.21 | StsN801 | maybe |
| 11:05.14 | mikkov_ | flamerobin, netpanzer, audacity |
| 11:06.16 | StsN801 | qwerty12, and primary issues were? |
| 11:06.25 | StsN801 | (mikkov too |
| 11:07.03 | mikkov_ | compiler or something else crashing in scratchbox ARMEL target |
| 11:07.43 | qwerty12 | StsN801, for aircrack-ng, default c/c++ compilers shipped with sbox are too shit for gparted/aptitiude, a load of errors which I can't remember at all |
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| 11:09.45 | mikkov_ | hedgewars because I haven't accomplished in compiling a working free pascal compiler |
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| 11:15.52 | StsN801 | ta |
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| 11:21.27 | guysoft42 | hey, how do i know if i have diablo or not? |
| 11:29.55 | aquatix | guysoft42: look at the version in Settings > Control Panel > About Product |
| 11:30.40 | guysoft42 | aquatix, should it say diablo/ |
| 11:30.42 | guysoft42 | ? |
| 11:31.06 | aquatix | it should say something about the version os OS2008 |
| 11:31.12 | aquatix | s/os/of |
| 11:31.30 | guysoft42 | i serr version 4.2008.36-5 |
| 11:31.37 | aquatix | that's the latest |
| 11:31.42 | aquatix | so that's surely diablo |
| 11:31.58 | guysoft42 | mamo linux based os2008 |
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| 11:32.27 | guysoft42 | um, aquatix i seem to be missing software repositories |
| 11:32.38 | qwerty12 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7730018.stm 0_o |
| 11:32.48 | aquatix | guysoft42: ah, which? |
| 11:32.55 | aquatix | qwerty12: yeah, awesome story :) |
| 11:33.05 | guysoft42 | let me paste the sources.list |
| 11:33.08 | aquatix | qwerty12: the guts to just mail yourself away |
| 11:33.19 | aquatix | guysoft42: sources.list is empty |
| 11:33.30 | aquatix | it's in the subdir |
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| 11:33.41 | qwerty12 | aquatix, made me laugh :D. Well, who *wants* to be in prison :p |
| 11:33.59 | aquatix | ;) |
| 11:34.16 | aquatix | guysoft42: take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 11:34.17 | Proteous | At the end of his shift, the inmate climbed into a cardboard box and was taken out of prison by express courier. |
| 11:34.20 | Proteous | they make it sound so easy |
| 11:34.26 | aquatix | Proteous: well, it was i think |
| 11:34.31 | Proteous | haha |
| 11:34.37 | aquatix | later on, a guard says she needs a lot more people |
| 11:34.50 | aquatix | because the inmates wheren't guarded well |
| 11:37.18 | qwerty12 | http://www.readnrock.com/?p=22 - best jail in the world |
| 11:37.23 | guysoft42 | wont let me pastebin :-S it thinks its spam |
| 11:38.48 | guysoft42 | aquatix, http://rafb.net/p/wBfyzL95.html here are the sources |
| 11:40.46 | lcuk | scratches his screen |
| 11:40.58 | guysoft42 | id would be nice if you can recommend software repositories.. i am brand new here.. |
| 11:41.58 | lcuk | maemo extras :) |
| 11:44.10 | aquatix | guysoft42: actually, i think you have more in there then me :) |
| 11:44.18 | aquatix | i have the claws-mail one |
| 11:44.21 | aquatix | but that's about it |
| 11:44.45 | aquatix | ah, and packages.collabora.co.uk for more IM stuff |
| 11:45.29 | guysoft42 | aquatix, what does packages.collabora.co.uk have? |
| 11:46.06 | aquatix | telepathy haze and such |
| 11:46.16 | aquatix | more IM networks for the build-in IM client |
| 11:46.46 | guysoft42 | aquatix, i have pidgin there at the moment |
| 11:47.07 | aquatix | that also works of course, but i liked the integratedness |
| 11:47.24 | guysoft42 | aquatix, i use quite a lot of im networks- msn, gtalk,jabber, icq, yahoo and facebook-plugin |
| 11:47.47 | guysoft42 | aquatix, do those work like in pidgin? |
| 11:48.23 | aquatix | it lists AIM, Google Talk, ICQ, Jabber, MSN, SIP and Yahoo |
| 11:48.39 | guysoft42 | no facebook? |
| 11:48.50 | aquatix | not sure why it doesn't do others, as it uses libpurple too |
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| 12:00.47 | lcuk | my brain hurts |
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| 12:05.49 | towo | shoot lcuk in the head. |
| 12:06.03 | towo | Call me pain killer. |
| 12:06.07 | lcuk | thanks, that feels so much better |
| 12:06.39 | lcuk | plus, now ive got space to slot in a nokia tablet |
| 12:06.55 | towo | Yay \o/ |
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| 12:10.52 | lcuk | havin half my brain splattered on the wall isnt exactly condusive to going on an adventure is it |
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| 12:19.48 | inz | Arrg, maemo's poll() bites |
| 12:20.15 | inz | poll(..., INT_MAX - 1) works pretty much like poll(..., 0) |
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| 12:27.19 | lcuk | holy!! http://www.creepygif.com/image.php?i=524 |
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| 12:35.50 | aquatix | *g* @ ``(wait up to few minutes while animation fully loads)'' |
| 12:50.28 | guysoft42 | um, i installed the lcars, but the damn thing wont switch back to any other themes, the splash screen and sound effects remain |
| 12:51.58 | guysoft42 | is there a way to get rid of it? |
| 12:55.31 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: can you add "testing" component to mrrepo? Johnx said test his hildon-desktop before adding to repo but it would be nice to have it installable via apt. The users that don't want to use testing packages would only have main, contrib and non-free in their sources.list :) |
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| 13:08.05 | guysoft42 | is there a way to install/remove multiple packages? like in synaptic? |
| 13:10.36 | Meiz_n810 | in xterm it is possible |
| 13:11.07 | Meiz_n810 | just become root, and run "apt-get install package1 package2" |
| 13:11.59 | guysoft42 | Meiz_n810, yes, just done that now |
| 13:12.27 | Jaffa | Afternoon, all |
| 13:12.34 | guysoft42 | why carn't we just cross-compile synaptic? |
| 13:12.55 | Meiz_n810 | thanks, i can't wait to get back to home.. |
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| 13:28.09 | Meiz_n810 | umm, sorry i tought you were Stskeeps saying he added tasting component to repo :) |
| 13:37.41 | sp3000 | gah, navicore switches maps by moving files around? |
| 13:37.50 | sp3000 | that's ...awesome for backups |
| 13:38.23 | sp3000 | sighs |
| 13:44.47 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 16:07.10 | lcuk | puts 10p in the internet to make it go faster |
| 16:07.34 | woglinde_ | haha |
| 16:08.01 | lcuk | woglinde, it took me about 10 minutes last night to realise what you meant by your comment |
| 16:08.12 | woglinde_ | uh |
| 16:08.13 | johnx | at least those sprint-cogent issues have cleared up |
| 16:08.20 | woglinde_ | but I only had one beer |
| 16:08.23 | lcuk | there were issues? |
| 16:08.34 | woglinde_ | and I know my english isnt the best |
| 16:08.38 | lcuk | heh, i dunno how many i had had |
| 16:08.51 | lcuk | one nokia thing: which of the phones are touchscreen |
| 16:08.56 | johnx | a while ago they stopped transferring data to each other, and blackholed routes to the other's network |
| 16:09.01 | woglinde_ | none? |
| 16:09.31 | qwerty12 | lcuk, Nokia 5800 |
| 16:09.39 | lcuk | but thats a lot later |
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| 16:10.03 | qwerty12 | lcuk, apart from that then, none. |
| 16:10.05 | lcuk | just felt like a pollock then :) |
| 16:10.10 | lcuk | knows that now |
| 16:10.17 | guardian | hi |
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| 16:21.54 | RST38h | moo again |
| 16:22.20 | johnx | hey :D |
| 16:22.38 | RST38h | johnx: Any idea why would xargs fail in the latest sb2? |
| 16:22.55 | johnx | define "fail" |
| 16:23.10 | johnx | there's a lot of ways to use xargs incorrectly depending on the input of the program handed to it |
| 16:23.16 | RST38h | I have found a similar problem report from somebody upgrading from hardy to Intrepid and there it was traced down to libc incompatibility |
| 16:23.26 | RST38h | johnx: oh believe me, it is not the input. look: |
| 16:23.45 | RST38h | fms@ubuntu:~/EMUL8/SlideRule/Maemo/Package$ sb2 |
| 16:23.45 | RST38h | [SB2 devel chinook40_armel] fms@ubuntu Package $ xargs |
| 16:23.45 | RST38h | xargs: xargs.c:450: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed. |
| 16:23.45 | RST38h | Aborted |
| 16:23.52 | johnx | hot |
| 16:25.35 | RST38h | Actual problem occurs with /opt/maemo/dists/etch/usr/bin/xargs |
| 16:26.21 | johnx | is it an i386 program? what happens if you back up and copy the host's xargs in its place? |
| 16:26.24 | RST38h | it is |
| 16:26.37 | RST38h | I can try. Although I have already told sdk to use HOST TOOLS |
| 16:26.44 | RST38h | Don't even know why I need etch |
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| 16:27.11 | johnx | don't look at me |
| 16:27.33 | johnx | gets back to compling on a machine with 64MB of RAM just to avoid all this cross compile weirdness |
| 16:28.40 | RST38h | johnx: it is too-smart-for-their-own-good-engineers weirdness |
| 16:29.03 | johnx | cross compiling in a world where native compiling is the norm is not easy |
| 16:30.25 | lcuk | then dont cross compile |
| 16:30.47 | lcuk | *yes, i know you will be waiting till the end of days for something large :P but the principle exists |
| 16:30.58 | RST38h | ok, replaced xargs and it kind of worked |
| 16:31.01 | RST38h | not completely... |
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| 16:31.14 | johnx | RST38h, what now? |
| 16:31.33 | RST38h | dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code |
| 16:31.33 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.33 | RST38h | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libsb2.so.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 16:31.34 | johnx | lcuk, I use the best of all worlds :) native host and distcc to a fast x86 machine |
| 16:31.45 | RST38h | but it did create the package |
| 16:31.47 | lcuk | johnx, sounds nice |
| 16:31.56 | RST38h | and .changes file too |
| 16:32.00 | johnx | so configure runs natively, c gets compiled in a cross environment and linking happens on the native device |
| 16:32.26 | lcuk | but it sitll requires a scratchbox install somewhere along the way |
| 16:32.30 | johnx | nope |
| 16:32.40 | johnx | just on cross toolchain on a unixy host |
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| 16:32.48 | johnx | s/on/one/ |
| 16:33.00 | johnx | no headers on the x86 host even |
| 16:33.03 | lcuk | i thought that was what scratchbox was |
| 16:33.37 | johnx | it's a whole build environment, toolchain+other stuff |
| 16:33.51 | johnx | the other stuff is what causes the problems most of the time, (as in RST38h's case) |
| 16:33.55 | StsN800 | johnx, how's hildon doing? |
| 16:34.26 | RST38h | ~curse Etch for being the fifth wheel |
| 16:34.27 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Etch for being the fifth wheel ! |
| 16:35.32 | johnx | StsN800, attempting to bring debian's hildon-desktop package to trunk's hildon-desktop. |
| 16:35.49 | StsN800 | k |
| 16:37.14 | johnx | hildon-initscripts and osso-af-startup are definitely not harmless |
| 16:39.25 | johnx | dealing with all these env setting scripts must be an insane amount of work |
| 16:41.10 | RST38h | Anybody wants a fresh Slide Rule to test? |
| 16:41.37 | johnx | ya know, I don't think I ever used one |
| 16:44.00 | RST38h | Now is your chance =) |
| 16:44.52 | RST38h | http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/sliderule_1.0.1-1_armel.deb |
| 16:45.46 | johnx | a chance relive a facsimilie of the past I never experienced in the first place? sure, why not :D |
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| 16:50.11 | johnx | well it's certainly colorful |
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| 16:50.51 | johnx | and the graph is really nice |
| 16:52.02 | johnx | heeey, don't think you can trick me. this isn't a slide rule! this is one of them new fangled calcumalators isn't it? |
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| 16:52.32 | lcuk810 | rst, link plz |
| 16:54.01 | lcuk | http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/sliderule_1.0.1-1_armel.deb |
| 16:54.07 | lcuk | is impatient ;) |
| 16:55.19 | lcuk | arghhh any reason why my browser is stuck on "Updating" |
| 16:56.17 | johnx | some problem with browserd? or it's coming back from being paged out |
| 16:56.42 | qwerty12 | lcuk, if it's still not coming, as root: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon force-reload |
| 16:57.50 | lcuk | thanks once again qwerty, what screwed up there? |
| 16:57.55 | lcuk | and why doesnt it run this itself |
| 16:57.57 | lcuk | \@/ |
| 16:58.06 | qwerty12 | lcuk, Hrm, is this on a fresh reboot? |
| 16:58.19 | lcuk | nahh i havent rebooted in yonks for this one |
| 16:58.42 | qwerty12 | hehe, it's probably just browserd being a-retentive then |
| 16:58.57 | lcuk | its eaten my console though |
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| 16:59.11 | qwerty12 | just open a new console or close that one |
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| 16:59.17 | lcuk | bleugh |
| 16:59.30 | johnx | wasted consoles! think of where it all goes! |
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| 16:59.41 | lcuk | ctrl-ced it |
| 17:00.01 | RST38h | johnx, lcuk: does it work?=) |
| 17:00.19 | lcuk | yeah! uptime is a whole 10 days! |
| 17:00.30 | johnx | RST38h, works nicely. a couple minor nitpicks |
| 17:00.33 | lcuk | i dunno rst |
| 17:00.37 | lcuk | sidetracked ;) |
| 17:00.51 | lcuk | it was waiting on folder select - its installed correctly |
| 17:00.52 | RST38h | johnx: which ones? |
| 17:01.32 | StsN800 | johnx, so you neutered the init scripts or? |
| 17:02.33 | johnx | RST38h, doesn't cut+paste from hildon apps, window not refreshed after home menu is popped up, would be nice to have drag to scroll on the graph (but that's a personal preference I think) |
| 17:02.52 | johnx | StsN800, it seems debian gets away without them |
| 17:02.53 | lcuk | was thinking about the scrolling mechanism |
| 17:02.57 | lcuk | is there a reason its not? |
| 17:03.29 | RST38h | johnx: some of these can be granted =) |
| 17:05.11 | StsN800 | johnx, k |
| 17:05.42 | lcuk | RST38h, numbers |
| 17:06.07 | RST38h | lcuk: ? |
| 17:06.08 | lcuk | on my n810 keyboard i cannot type numbers |
| 17:06.14 | RST38h | weird |
| 17:06.23 | RST38h | you should , really... |
| 17:06.24 | StsN800 | johnx, so it doesnt depend on initscripts? |
| 17:06.28 | lcuk | i have to have pressed Fn |
| 17:06.43 | RST38h | ah, but this is default behaviour |
| 17:06.50 | lcuk | ahhh, it works if its hed down whilst pressing,but thats not normal |
| 17:06.54 | johnx | StsN800, nope. They have a 30 line start-hildon script. It looks very manageable, but has some defaults hardcoded (such as theme) |
| 17:07.17 | johnx | but it lets you use hildon-desktop as a session inside X, as opposed to something started by init |
| 17:07.54 | StsN800 | johnx, so in m-r hildon desktop it will not depend on initscripts? |
| 17:08.02 | lcuk | RST38h, i cant complain, i probably have same thing |
| 17:08.38 | johnx | StsN800, if I have my way, yes. Does that sound reasonable? |
| 17:09.35 | StsN800 | yes |
| 17:10.01 | StsN800 | what about run-standalone.sh? |
| 17:10.05 | RST38h | lcuk: it is normal if you process keydowns rather than keyclicks |
| 17:11.26 | johnx | it would be nice to have I think. but from what I understand there are advantages to having things be launched the normal hildon way (something about fork?) |
| 17:11.55 | StsN800 | k |
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| 17:13.17 | Happy0ne | hi I just got a nokia 810 yesterday and trying to setup rtcomm but can't get one of the dependencies to work |
| 17:13.27 | Happy0ne | it says im missing telepathy-haze |
| 17:13.34 | StsN800 | johnx, we should strive towards a sane hildon startup |
| 17:14.04 | Happy0ne | i got the telepathy-haze but it was version 0.1.4 and it needs 0.2.0 |
| 17:14.15 | johnx | StsN800, sane as in "closer to a normal DE's launch" or sane as in "close to maemo/os2008" |
| 17:14.23 | StsN800 | johnx, hildon is a session not the os.. think we will go by that rule |
| 17:14.36 | johnx | great. I fully agree. |
| 17:14.48 | GeneralAntilles | Good thinking. ;) |
| 17:14.52 | johnx | those $*&%ing scripts even ate my locale settings |
| 17:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | That's a god question, when are the rtcomm beta dependencies actually going to be uploaded? |
| 17:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | Robot101? |
| 17:15.35 | johnx | in that case, user switching can actually be handled externally to hildon with no pain |
| 17:16.21 | Happy0ne | hmm, so it requires an update on the repository? |
| 17:16.53 | qwerty12 | Happy0ne, use this link to the installer instead of the one on the rtcomm website: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/deb/rtcomm-beta-installer-os2008_0.7_armel.deb |
| 17:17.06 | Happy0ne | thank you |
| 17:17.08 | Happy0ne | will try it |
| 17:17.30 | StsN800 | johnx, we should investigate dm vs startx too |
| 17:18.37 | johnx | StsN800, sure, but that's a fairly minor question. A low overhead "startx" init.d script that conflicts with kdm and gdm seems workable, rght? |
| 17:18.43 | StsN800 | deblets startx vs gdm wasnt pretty |
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| 17:19.04 | RST38h | gets a feeling johnx and Sts have finally got to resolving the xephyr madness |
| 17:19.27 | johnx | what xephyr madness? |
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| 17:19.31 | StsN800 | hildon madness rather |
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| 17:20.46 | RST38h | johnx: Necessity to specifically configure and run xephyr and then use some really weird scripts to run hildon on it and run your app inside that hildon |
| 17:21.07 | RST38h | ideally, it should look like typing "n810 <appname> [enter]" |
| 17:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping hrw's emulation pans out. |
| 17:21.25 | johnx | RST38h, that will still be necessary, but the scripts will be a lot more sane hopefully |
| 17:21.31 | RST38h | GAN: It has already, hasn't it? |
| 17:21.43 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, officially supported and bundled. |
| 17:21.56 | RST38h | johnx: if possible, hide all this crap under a single program or script |
| 17:22.01 | RST38h | That takes app name |
| 17:22.24 | johnx | sorry RST38h, but I don't even use sb any more :/ |
| 17:22.26 | RST38h | I do not want to know anything about xephyr, just want a magical window with my program. |
| 17:22.54 | johnx | I stopped seeing a reason to bother fighting with it |
| 17:22.57 | RST38h | GAN: That is more unlikely than not ... |
| 17:23.02 | StsN800 | start-hildon, run-standalone |
| 17:23.45 | StsN800 | RST38h, with their focus on devel envs they might |
| 17:23.48 | RST38h | start-hildon is know to shit all over the console you run it from |
| 17:23.55 | RST38h | known |
| 17:24.31 | johnx | that's like 10 well placed &> /dev/null away from being fixed. why not have at it? |
| 17:31.14 | StsN800 | RST38h, you're welcome to try and write a blueprint for a sb2 sdk |
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| 17:38.48 | RST38h | sts:sb2 sdk already exists |
| 17:39.08 | RST38h | maemo sdk+ at garage |
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| 17:39.35 | johnx | debian packaging is surprisingly not that hard, just totally arcane and unintuitive |
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| 17:48.00 | johnx | StsN800, building hildon-desktop using the debian packaging. I'm gonna leave it overnight and get some much deserved sleep |
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| 18:52.26 | zakkm | If i have a motorola charger that fits into the usb part of the nokia |
| 18:52.35 | zakkm | will it break my nokia to try and charge it that way? |
| 18:52.53 | zakkm | says input 100V-240V -50/60Hz 0.1A |
| 18:52.53 | GeneralAntilles | The tablets don't charge over USB. . . . |
| 18:53.00 | zakkm | output : 5.0V -- 550mA |
| 18:53.06 | zakkm | i lost my charger :( |
| 18:53.20 | GeneralAntilles | Amazon sells them for something like $1.50 a piece. |
| 18:53.53 | zakkm | someone from school said he'll sell me one for $10 on monday, but i need some way to charg ebefore then |
| 18:54.01 | zakkm | my battery is dead and i gotta show my nokia to someone |
| 18:54.27 | mikkov_ | around here nokia chargers are so common that you can probably find one from the street |
| 18:54.54 | RST38h | would suggest against plugging motorola charger into random gadgets: Motorola is known for "special" chargers |
| 18:55.10 | zakkm | k i wont try |
| 18:57.04 | LinuxCode | you dont plug random bodyparts into random sockets |
| 18:57.08 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
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| 18:57.31 | LinuxCode | <-- plugged his fingers into a power socket when he was a kid |
| 18:57.35 | LinuxCode | lesson for life |
| 18:57.38 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 18:57.56 | zakkm | touched the metal part of the plug.. while inserting a gadget |
| 18:57.59 | zakkm | to a outlot |
| 18:58.02 | zakkm | outlet* |
| 18:58.12 | RST38h | weaklings! =) |
| 18:58.16 | zakkm | with his fingers |
| 18:58.18 | LinuxCode | RST38h, lol |
| 18:58.38 | RST38h | tried to straighten out an oscilloscope power cable pins once while the other end of the cable was plugged into 220V |
| 18:58.48 | LinuxCode | RST38h, lol |
| 18:58.50 | RST38h | had burn marks for the next 3 months or so |
| 18:59.10 | LinuxCode | no proper fuse box ? |
| 18:59.32 | RST38h | the definition of "proper" was different that time and place |
| 18:59.50 | zakkm | 1901? :P |
| 19:00.19 | Meiz_n810 | ~bitchslap Segmentation Fault |
| 19:00.20 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Segmentation Fault |
| 19:00.21 | RST38h | a bit later than that |
| 19:01.03 | Meiz_n810 | Why i got segmentation fault when i try to use lxde. |
| 19:01.19 | Meiz_n810 | (okay i know the reason: i compiled it) |
| 19:01.32 | RST38h | Hehehehehe: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081110/tv_nm/us_fcc_digitalcrash |
| 19:02.00 | RST38h | Meiz: compile with -g, make it drop core dump, load into gdb and type "bt" |
| 19:02.14 | RST38h | you will get a stack backtrace of function calls that led to the crash |
| 19:02.26 | StsN800 | Meiz_n810, lxde or? |
| 19:03.07 | zakkm | whats the point in compiling for it? |
| 19:03.12 | zakkm | if theres already a binary |
| 19:03.21 | zakkm | for nokia's... |
| 19:03.28 | Meiz_n810 | StsN800: i compiled lxlauncher for m-r, everytime i try to start i got Segmentation Fault |
| 19:04.06 | StsN800 | zakkm, we're doing experimental work |
| 19:04.09 | Meiz_n810 | compiled it from debian sources using dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 19:04.23 | zakkm | i wanna join in sometime :) |
| 19:05.14 | Meiz_n810 | zakkm: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/m-r |
| 19:05.14 | StsN800 | Meiz_n810, using lxsession? |
| 19:05.29 | Meiz_n810 | no, i first tried it in chroot |
| 19:05.41 | Meiz_n810 | could that be it? |
| 19:05.49 | StsN800 | yeah |
| 19:05.55 | Meiz_n810 | ookay |
| 19:06.00 | Meiz_n810 | thanks :) |
| 19:06.23 | Meiz_n810 | i fail to compile lxpanel |
| 19:06.38 | zakkm | wow, getting close |
| 19:07.20 | zakkm | i can make you guys a compile slave out of my old atom 1.6ghz if it'll help progress |
| 19:07.58 | zakkm | not much, but all i got. ( high school student ) |
| 19:08.54 | Meiz_n810 | Sts and johnx are devenlopers, ask them for more information, i am now training some compiling =P |
| 19:10.23 | RST38h | 1.6ghz atom is considered old now? |
| 19:10.25 | RST38h | hm |
| 19:10.30 | zakkm | lol |
| 19:10.32 | zakkm | old pc of mine.. |
| 19:10.35 | zakkm | not old pc in general |
| 19:10.42 | zakkm | its the d945gclf :P |
| 19:10.51 | zakkm | mini-ITX :D |
| 19:11.44 | zakkm | i was going to turn it into a media server for my nokia, but that still leaves alot of unused cpu and stuff |
| 19:12.06 | zakkm | oh yeah, does ssh -X work on the nokia? |
| 19:13.05 | StsN800 | try to look into n8x0 emulation, always helpful, zakkm |
| 19:13.44 | zakkm | StsN800, would it be helpful to make a "server" for you guys? |
| 19:14.17 | zakkm | base install whatever you want, with ssh access |
| 19:14.29 | StsN800 | well experimental work is what really helps |
| 19:14.50 | zakkm | im no good at too tech stuff work |
| 19:15.41 | StsN800 | sec |
| 19:17.00 | zakkm | how is Poky on the n800? |
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| 19:17.42 | GeneralAntilles | Last time I tried it really wasn't all that exciting. |
| 19:17.55 | zakkm | is it worth trying? |
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| 19:18.21 | zakkm | functional, battery lasts long in it? |
| 19:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, it wasn't day-to-day usable last time I tried. |
| 19:18.50 | StsN800 | i think only maemo gets battery life cirrect |
| 19:19.00 | StsN800 | ok. how |
| 19:19.04 | RST38h | the only day-to-day usable setup on n8x0 is Maemo |
| 19:19.09 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder about Poky as a DE option on top of m-r. |
| 19:19.25 | StsN800 | do you paste in xchat? |
| 19:19.26 | zakkm | how "hard" is it to dualboot poky? |
| 19:19.36 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, vkb menu? |
| 19:19.47 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think the kernels are compatible |
| 19:19.49 | StsN800 | oh there |
| 19:20.10 | RST38h | Sts: menu option or Ctrl+V |
| 19:20.11 | jagernot | would anybody like to try the latest version of my audio synth http://www.poojyum.com/boxar ; comments/feature requests welcome :) |
| 19:20.26 | Meiz_n810 | updated? |
| 19:21.01 | zakkm | Is poky hard to install? |
| 19:21.01 | jagernot | mei: yep fixed multiple notes |
| 19:21.01 | Meiz_n810 | okay |
| 19:21.01 | jagernot | and also added rhythmic strumming |
| 19:21.02 | StsN800 | zakkm, http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ - try to get this emu image running |
| 19:21.22 | zakkm | im on mac currently ;p |
| 19:21.28 | jagernot | Rhythm menu doesnt work yet..u have to use keyboard short cuts ...press esc key to change rhythm, press - and + to change bpm |
| 19:21.34 | jagernot | Scale menu works |
| 19:21.42 | StsN800 | zakkm, your atom :P |
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| 19:21.52 | zakkm | yeah thats sitting on the floor under my bed |
| 19:21.56 | StsN800 | k |
| 19:21.59 | zakkm | as a motherboard alone |
| 19:22.13 | zakkm | i was going to just build it.. attach to wall outlet, install debian or whatver you wanted |
| 19:22.22 | zakkm | and ssh .. and give you root access |
| 19:22.25 | zakkm | that was all.. |
| 19:22.37 | zakkm | and leave it to do "whatever" you wanted |
| 19:22.39 | Meiz_n810 | jagernot: you are doing great work, i love it! |
| 19:23.02 | zakkm | my idea wasnt to get involved in developing, just offer my pc as a "slave" for you guys |
| 19:23.14 | jagernot | thanks mei: you can hide the menu if u like by pressing top left corner key...F6 i think |
| 19:23.15 | RST38h | zakkm: We all have PCs |
| 19:23.29 | StsN800 | zakkm, k - though you are more than welcome to participate in testing such |
| 19:23.39 | zakkm | i know, but this way it could all be centered on my pc |
| 19:23.44 | zakkm | which everyone will have access |
| 19:23.46 | RST38h | Although the idea of having one for quick collaborative compiles is probably not that bad |
| 19:23.50 | zakkm | rather than sending eachother files, |
| 19:24.20 | zakkm | the whole "maemo-reconstuct" lets say could be on it.. and you guys could edit at the same times, multiple files |
| 19:24.28 | RST38h | Where multiple people can log in under the same account and work on some quick project ( like "recompiling qalculate") |
| 19:24.33 | zakkm | and download backups, from a cron script |
| 19:24.43 | jagernot | Mei:press the direction pad button turns off the menu |
| 19:24.50 | zakkm | rather than being like ohh i edited qaculate.c and im going to send to you now.. oo wait guys who has ___ |
| 19:25.16 | jagernot | Mei: press the Esc button to get urself a new strumming pattern, then use - and + to change its bpm to speed it up or slow it down |
| 19:25.36 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 19:26.00 | zakkm | RST38h: yeah |
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| 19:27.26 | Meiz_n810 | jagenot: when i press esc, the only thing happens is that sound starts lagging. |
| 19:28.18 | lcuk2 | *rolleyes* at lost missus |
| 19:28.46 | GeneralAntilles | TrayTray needs a TrayTray? |
| 19:28.48 | lcuk2 | she has n810, she has map license, she has lock |
| 19:28.56 | lcuk2 | she got to destination |
| 19:29.15 | lcuk2 | she left the fudging thing switched on all afternoon guiding her round the conference centre in her handbag |
| 19:29.23 | lcuk2 | now shes lost |
| 19:29.38 | StsN800 | hehe |
| 19:29.43 | jagernot | Mei: no that is a rhythm pattern...now press + to speed it up..for trance like effect :) |
| 19:29.47 | lcuk2 | actually, shes not that far off, just an extra 30 or so miles |
| 19:29.56 | lcuk2 | hi there jager |
| 19:29.58 | jagernot | lcuk: hi i have a new version that u might like :) |
| 19:30.13 | jagernot | lcuk: its got scales and rhythm patterns |
| 19:30.25 | jagernot | lcuk: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar |
| 19:30.26 | lcuk2 | i didnt like the one you made the other day :P it was too warbly oooh ill try the shiny errrrr whiny? |
| 19:31.02 | lcuk2 | i havent done anything at all with liqbase in the last couple of days, just spent time thinking aobut everything |
| 19:31.30 | jagernot | lcuk: im soldiering on with gtk/gdk at the moment |
| 19:31.36 | Raytray | ? |
| 19:31.39 | lcuk2 | yeah |
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| 19:31.55 | Raytray | antilles? |
| 19:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | Raytray, what the hell is your problem? |
| 19:32.08 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody hates you. |
| 19:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | Go away. |
| 19:32.18 | Raytray | :( |
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| 19:32.22 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 19:32.35 | lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, :S as the head of the community thats a very poor attitude |
| 19:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | pats Raytray on the shoulder. |
| 19:32.53 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, we know eachother. ;) |
| 19:33.08 | Raytray | Who the hell are you? |
| 19:33.12 | Raytray | :p |
| 19:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | Not a quitter like you. :P |
| 19:33.36 | RST38h | A decider then? |
| 19:33.38 | Raytray | Pssh, you don't even play anymore. |
| 19:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | I played yesterday. |
| 19:33.56 | Raytray | :p |
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| 19:46.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 19:46.17 | GeneralAntilles | Asus R50A == $1878 |
| 19:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | The problem with portable devices that expensive is that you can't take them out of the house. |
| 19:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | Having a $400 tablet lost or stolen is one thing. . . . |
| 19:53.41 | Meiz_n810 | StsN800: where can i get perl 5.x for m-r? lxpanel won't compile without it... |
| 19:54.05 | StsN800 | Meiz_n810, should be part of base system |
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| 19:54.41 | shapr | Hey, how do I remap a bluetooth keyboard? Can I use .xmodmap files from my desktop? |
| 19:54.44 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: not to mention that here in my country |
| 19:54.44 | Meiz_n810 | perl is newest version, but that seems to not be enough |
| 19:55.12 | disco_stu | where people stole even your shoes if they are fancy |
| 19:56.45 | shapr | Aha, I found what I need: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/ |
| 19:57.26 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: "configure: error: perl 5.x required for intltool" I have 5.8 so what can i do? |
| 19:58.27 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping. |
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| 19:59.58 | StsN800 | Meiz_n810, perl-dev maybe |
| 20:00.09 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
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| 21:50.45 | jagernot | hello..im trying to debianise my package and running into trouble.. |
| 21:51.57 | jagernot | ive gotten this far: http://pastebin.com/d5c0af55b |
| 21:56.39 | woglinde_ | jagernot copy the original.tar from one dir above to another place |
| 21:56.44 | woglinde_ | aeh move |
| 22:00.13 | jagernot | woglinde: will try thanks |
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| 22:13.16 | Stskeeps | stretches and yawns |
| 22:14.01 | Guysoft42 | hey. i seem to be having a bug this instant, where the load cursor is stuck on the normal cursor |
| 22:14.18 | Guysoft42 | its useful!! |
| 22:14.28 | Stskeeps | thewhat? |
| 22:15.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft42, you know the normal arrow cursor can be enabled right?:p |
| 22:15.32 | Guysoft42 | the cursor is visable |
| 22:15.48 | Guysoft42 | ah, just stoped |
| 22:16.30 | Guysoft42 | qwerty how? |
| 22:16.38 | Guysoft42 | q |
| 22:17.22 | Guysoft42 | and i still miss the tab button here |
| 22:17.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft42, as root, open /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme in a text editor and comment out the inherits line and reboot |
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| 22:17.52 | Guysoft42 | wants to complete nicknames on irc |
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| 22:25.38 | Guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, ah got it.. |
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| 22:38.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: will a reflash wipe out lock code? |
| 22:38.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, merely disables it |
| 22:38.48 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 22:43.42 | LinuxCode | the hildon lock code ? |
| 22:46.18 | jagernot | im trying to make a .deb out of my program and running into trouble. |
| 22:46.26 | jagernot | ive gotten this far: http://pastebin.com/d5c0af55b |
| 22:46.53 | jagernot | woglinde: if i removed those orig.tar.gz files..the .deb file builds but cant install in app manager |
| 22:46.57 | woglinde | jagernot I told you hat to do |
| 22:47.15 | woglinde | jagernot not right |
| 22:47.25 | woglinde | provide a sane .desktop file |
| 22:47.49 | qwerty12_N800 | jagernot, what's the section in control? |
| 22:47.54 | jagernot | where can i find a .desktop file |
| 22:47.57 | jagernot | user/other? |
| 22:48.29 | woglinde | qwerty12_N800 args right |
| 22:48.32 | woglinde | sorry |
| 22:48.34 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, that's fine |
| 22:48.38 | woglinde | desktop was only for menu |
| 22:48.53 | woglinde | yeah control file for app manager |
| 22:52.07 | jagernot | ? |
| 22:52.16 | jagernot | any ideas pls |
| 22:52.42 | woglinde | put the right section in control file |
| 22:52.51 | woglinde | as qwerty says |
| 22:53.11 | jagernot | i have user/other is that wrong? |
| 22:53.42 | qwerty12_N800 | user/other is fine. |
| 22:54.28 | GeneralAntilles | For now |
| 22:54.43 | jagernot | i can install it within scratchbox itself |
| 22:55.02 | jagernot | with fakeroot dpkg -i boxar_1.0-1.armel.deb |
| 22:55.33 | woglinde | jagernot right |
| 22:55.46 | woglinde | you can do dpkg -i on the tablet too |
| 22:55.57 | woglinde | yi you are root |
| 22:55.58 | jagernot | wont i need root? |
| 22:56.04 | woglinde | args |
| 22:56.18 | woglinde | hehe my keys seems to change at random |
| 22:56.27 | jagernot | i am root when i run that command? |
| 22:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | user/other is technically invalid and the moment and will be totally invalid once the new Application Manager ships. |
| 22:57.47 | GeneralAntilles | s/and/at/ |
| 22:58.18 | GeneralAntilles | So, nobody around who can provide no_NO, pt_PT, or sv_SE? |
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| 23:00.06 | woglinde | GeneralAntilles haha grep it from your host system |
| 23:00.14 | woglinde | grap |
| 23:01.56 | jagernot | ok wow now i have it installed but i cant see it on extras or any other section :( |
| 23:02.07 | jagernot | and if i type the command name on xterm it says not found |
| 23:02.21 | woglinde | ????? |
| 23:02.31 | woglinde | did you copy it to the tablet? |
| 23:02.50 | woglinde | whats dpkg -L yourpackagename saying? |
| 23:02.51 | jagernot | yes copied the .deb to the internal memory card |
| 23:03.03 | Stskeeps | sends off the "What apps did you have to give up on trying to port to maemo" post and eagerly awaits results. |
| 23:03.19 | Stskeeps | either that or a huge flame war about surveys.. |
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| 23:03.59 | GeneralAntilles | pours lighter fluid on Stskeeps for good measure. |
| 23:04.22 | Stskeeps | yay inflammable |
| 23:04.53 | Stskeeps | but anyway, it might highlight some generic issues |
| 23:05.16 | Stskeeps | and may answer the question "why is there a lack of apps for maemo" :P |
| 23:05.46 | GeneralAntilles | Because of the secret Nokia conspiracy to keep the community down. |
| 23:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | Dude, grammar check. :P |
| 23:06.22 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 23:06.23 | Stskeeps | sorry |
| 23:06.26 | jagernot | woglinde: it shows its installed in /boxar |
| 23:06.35 | woglinde | what? |
| 23:06.37 | Stskeeps | i need a secretary |
| 23:06.49 | woglinde | jagernot you screwed up something |
| 23:06.58 | woglinde | and didnt understand how packaging wokrs |
| 23:06.59 | jagernot | woglinde: yeah i can sense that :) |
| 23:07.03 | woglinde | and where to install stuff |
| 23:07.29 | jagernot | uninstalling should undo that? |
| 23:08.16 | woglinde | jagernot right |
| 23:08.24 | woglinde | thats the sense of a package |
| 23:08.28 | woglinde | clean remove of stuff |
| 23:09.25 | jagernot | nice |
| 23:09.32 | jagernot | how on earth could i have put it in /boxar |
| 23:09.34 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: which is why i'm not that good at the community interaction, i prefer to do insane things in my lab and leave the external discussion to others to fend for my insane ideas ;) |
| 23:10.13 | jagernot | what is the $DESTDIR |
| 23:10.21 | jagernot | hmm yes i think $DESTDIR was null |
| 23:10.30 | jagernot | so it installed in /boxar |
| 23:10.30 | Stskeeps | not when dpkg-buildpackageing |
| 23:10.57 | jagernot | what should i set the $DESTDIR to? where can i set it? |
| 23:11.13 | woglinde | jagernot look into an othr package |
| 23:11.14 | Stskeeps | DESTDIR is set when calling your Makefile.. |
| 23:11.21 | woglinde | apt-get source packageyoulike |
| 23:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, just one re-read. It'll do wonders. :P |
| 23:12.03 | jagernot | ok i have picked up hello world |
| 23:12.57 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i did one =P |
| 23:13.08 | Stskeeps | my english has really been slipping lately, dunno why |
| 23:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | OK, four. ;) |
| 23:15.01 | Stskeeps | fine, next time i'll send it by you :P |
| 23:15.11 | Stskeeps | (a local grammar nazi is always good to have.) |
| 23:15.16 | jagernot | man im struggling with this...one can write an app but to not get it installed this sucks |
| 23:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | I'm always up for copy-editing. :) |
| 23:16.47 | Stskeeps | anyway, i think it might be interesting to see the results/answers to this.. atleast it will help document there is a need for some change in some areas of the platform |
| 23:17.03 | Stskeeps | +if |
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| 23:19.58 | Stskeeps | heads to bed |
| 23:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | 'night |
| 23:20.16 | woglinde | nite Stskeeps |
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| 23:36.50 | jagernot | wow i have now installed my app in /usr/bin but it wont show up in extras from the menu..i can only launch from the cmd line. how do i bring it up in the menu? |
| 23:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | Need a .desktop file. |
| 23:40.04 | jagernot | dpkg will use that if i provided one? |
| 23:41.07 | woglinde | jagernot no hildon will used it |
| 23:41.12 | woglinde | dpkg only installs |
| 23:41.16 | woglinde | or deinstalls |
| 23:42.19 | jagernot | where should that file be for hildon to use it. who will put that file. sorry for newbie questions |
| 23:43.37 | qwerty12_N800 | You make the file. it goes in /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 23:46.18 | woglinde | jagernot apt-get source qtnx |
| 23:46.30 | woglinde | there is an desktop file I wrote |
| 23:46.52 | jagernot | thanks woglinde |
| 23:46.52 | woglinde | you should copy it over tune for your programm |
| 23:47.51 | jagernot | woglinde: unable to find source package qtnx says the program |
| 23:48.16 | woglinde | ah |
| 23:48.26 | woglinde | because my package is in extras-devel |
| 23:49.02 | jagernot | hmm |
| 23:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints |
| 23:49.06 | jagernot | so how do i get it? |
| 23:49.16 | GeneralAntilles | Can somebody read through that quickly and tell me what needs detail? |
| 23:49.38 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to expand the IRC outline a bit. |
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| 23:51.53 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 is such an evil haxer. :P |
| 23:53.20 | qwerty12_N800 | :P. Austin Che even wrote a program to do it which does it using a cleaner method then what I done in that initfs :P |
| 23:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'm with Qole |
| 23:54.30 | GeneralAntilles | ban qwerty12. |
| 23:55.32 | qwerty12_N800 | I'll come back... players like me don't die, we multiply :P |
| 23:55.56 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 the hydra |
| 23:55.59 | qwerty12_N800 | I doubt Reggie cares anyway. |
| 23:56.50 | qwerty12_N800 | (*hopeful*) |