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| 00:17.07 | prez00 | any chance n8x0 video/audio chat will work with new google audio/vid? |
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| 00:43.30 | jagernot | i copy my files from jag@localhost to scratchbox all the time and have to enter a password how do i prevent that? |
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| 00:48.48 | shapr | ssh master |
| 00:49.22 | shapr | At the end of your ~/.ssh/config put: |
| 00:49.36 | shapr | Host * |
| 00:49.36 | shapr | ControlMaster auto |
| 00:49.36 | shapr | ControlPath /tmp/ssh-%h-%p-%r |
| 00:50.27 | shapr | Then you ssh into your scratchbox in one xterm, and "scp jag@scratchbox *" will no longer ask you for a password, because it reuses the existing ssh connection. |
| 00:50.37 | shapr | jagernot: Sounds good? |
| 00:51.46 | jagernot | thanks shapr..sorry for delayed reply. |
| 00:51.49 | jagernot | will try this out |
| 00:52.22 | shapr | poke me if you have any problems |
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| 00:54.45 | prez00 | any chance n8x0 video/audio chat will work with new google audio/vid? |
| 00:55.36 | Robot101 | prez00: it'll probably be possible to update a few components to make it work |
| 00:55.40 | Robot101 | prez00: we're working on it atm |
| 00:55.47 | Robot101 | they need to add H.263 support |
| 00:55.50 | Robot101 | but I've heard its planned |
| 00:55.55 | prez00 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:56.06 | Robot101 | the signalling we've basically got done |
| 00:56.11 | jagernot | shapr: it says bad control master and bad control path |
| 00:56.19 | Robot101 | they only have one codec choice atm though |
| 00:56.30 | Robot101 | and it's a weird variety of H.264 which isn't supported at all by the N810 |
| 00:58.28 | prez00 | why'd they go with weird h.264? |
| 00:58.48 | Robot101 | it's a new standard called H.264/SVC, scalable video coding |
| 00:58.58 | Robot101 | it has a basic H.264 low-detail stream |
| 00:59.04 | Robot101 | then if you have more bandwidth it can add more detail |
| 00:59.14 | Robot101 | its pretty nice for video conferencing |
| 00:59.25 | Robot101 | but it has basically 0 free implementations |
| 00:59.37 | Robot101 | and I'm not sure I've seen any linux implementations at all |
| 00:59.55 | prez00 | open standard? |
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| 01:03.57 | Robot101 | prez00: yeah, ish. as much as H.264 is, in that some of the stakeholders could have patents or other IPR in there, and demand licensing fees |
| 01:04.18 | Robot101 | but the specs are obtainable for a fee etc, it's an ITU standard |
| 01:06.09 | prez00 | got it, thankss |
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| 02:34.52 | bef0rd | thanks for answering that Robot101, I asked the same thing yesterday :P |
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| 02:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | goes through the translation table to figure out who provided what. |
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| 03:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | Can anybody confirm or deny those existing attributions? |
| 03:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://slexy.org/view/s2qlAmluvg |
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| 03:21.59 | halley | have had some problem with vi not editing well in utf-8 files. no problems with same locale on other platforms |
| 03:22.41 | halley | also backspacing on sh command lines when dealing with utf-8 characters. |
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| 04:58.25 | camel_liu | hi, everyone |
| 04:58.50 | camel_liu | I want get lftp for my n800. Where can I get it? |
| 04:59.04 | camel_liu | Maemo repo? |
| 04:59.54 | camel_liu | apt-cache search lftp returns nothing. |
| 05:01.39 | tulkastaldo | try looking around http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/ ? |
| 05:05.37 | camel_liu | There is no result matching the search criteria 'lftp'. |
| 05:06.13 | tulkastaldo | that's about the extent of my help, I'm pretty useless :P |
| 05:07.17 | camel_liu | thanks anyway. |
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| 05:12.23 | bradd | camel_liu, I found -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=135615#post135615 |
| 05:15.42 | shapr | Does the N800 read mobile codes? |
| 05:16.21 | dsn800 | mobile codes? |
| 05:16.46 | Navi | Wut |
| 05:16.49 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 05:17.36 | oilinki | mobile codes as 2D bar-codes? |
| 05:18.10 | dsn800 | ah you mean qrcodes and datamatrix |
| 05:19.10 | tulkastaldo | datamatrix, that the geeky version of a dominatrix? |
| 05:21.34 | GeneralAntilles | Do any of the karma listings work for anybody? |
| 05:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | They always timeout server-side for me. |
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| 05:46.59 | bef0rd | hai |
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| 05:48.24 | bef0rd | shapr, I believe there is a garage project for that |
| 05:48.34 | camel_liu | bradd, thanks, I'll try this lftp |
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| 06:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody needs a throw-away SD: http://www.woot.com/ |
| 06:04.58 | Luria | hmm |
| 06:05.05 | Luria | an interesting proposal |
| 06:05.24 | bef0rd | crap |
| 06:05.30 | bef0rd | that's cheap |
| 06:06.46 | Luria | meh. dont need it. need hsfs for dual socket f |
| 06:07.02 | Luria | my dynatrons are loud and dont mount right. |
| 06:07.10 | Luria | one fell into my gtx280 |
| 06:07.22 | Luria | broke two fan blades |
| 06:07.35 | Luria | i hope everything survives |
| 06:07.49 | Luria | well, lifetime warranty ftw |
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| 06:09.41 | prak | how long does the screen shown in http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouchcrystal/cleartouch-crystal-screen-protector-nokia-n810_3045.htm#details usually last? |
| 06:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | I'm still on my first one from a year ago. |
| 06:10.47 | GeneralAntilles | I recommend the anti-glare over the clear-touch, though. |
| 06:11.28 | prak | why anti-glare over the clear-touch? |
| 06:14.53 | camel_liu | I uncarefully reset target DIABLO_ARMEL. Can I install it only? |
| 06:15.05 | oilinki | I think my wife is technically more advanced that I am. It took me 5 minutes to open the front cover of N800.. my wife could do the same with an single drop to the floor. |
| 06:22.48 | prak | how effective is the boxwave screen protectors against scratches? |
| 06:22.56 | prak | how often would i need to replace the screen protector? |
| 06:23.36 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said, I'm still on my original |
| 06:23.51 | GeneralAntilles | Better texture, anti-glare protection |
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| 06:25.25 | prak | GeneralAntilles, how long have you been on the original? |
| 06:25.37 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said, one year. . . . |
| 06:26.23 | prak | sorry that i have missed that |
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| 06:32.46 | prak | how well does android work on the n810? |
| 06:32.57 | prak | i had a lot of problems installing android on it last month |
| 06:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's a dead end. |
| 06:33.06 | prak | how is it a dead end? |
| 06:34.01 | GeneralAntilles | Unless we have a page flipping framebuffer and 3d, it's just not going any farther. |
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| 06:39.10 | prak | what's wrong with those? |
| 06:39.13 | prak | running too slow? |
| 06:39.18 | prak | or the features just not there? |
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| 07:18.02 | camel_liu | when I do apt-get update, I got: Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk Release.gpg |
| 07:18.03 | camel_liu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.11 | camel_liu | What's the matter? |
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| 07:19.15 | camel_liu | Is the repo down? |
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| 07:22.18 | camel_liu | Does anybody know what happens to maemo repo? When I update, it always returns error of 'Got a single header line over 360 chars'. |
| 07:26.31 | tulkastaldo | seems that way |
| 07:32.54 | camel_liu | Can anyone do a help? |
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| 07:38.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:43.28 | camel_liu | Afternoon, all |
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| 07:54.36 | oilinki | hmm. even opening and cleaning the touch screen on n800 did not resolve issue with very bad calibration on right bottom corner. |
| 07:54.53 | oilinki | my display is still about 7mm off. |
| 07:56.07 | oilinki | I have also reflashed (without restoring backup) the device. is there any other thing I could do to resolve the calibration issue? screen calibration can not do it as the calibration is too much out. |
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| 08:01.07 | oilinki | or do you remember where was the information about displays in 770, n800, n810.. is it possible to swap an display module from 770 to n800? |
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| 08:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | No |
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| 08:03.33 | oilinki | also n810 and n800 have different modules? |
| 08:05.30 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 08:06.27 | oilinki | hmm. not good then. |
| 08:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3859 |
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| 08:16.38 | camel_liu | What wrong with maemo repo? I cannot update or install anything! |
| 08:17.19 | camel_liu | Always 'Got a single header line over 360 chars' |
| 08:17.41 | mischamolhoek | hi everyone! |
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| 08:19.46 | mister_m | hi all, |
| 08:20.17 | camel_liu | Nobody here? |
| 08:20.22 | mister_m | me :) |
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| 08:20.47 | mister_m | let me check if i can install/// |
| 08:20.55 | mister_m | n800 btw |
| 08:22.46 | camel_liu | I cannot update or install in scratchbox. |
| 08:22.57 | mister_m | aha, that i don't know |
| 08:23.18 | mister_m | do you have connection with the outside world, within you scratchbox? |
| 08:25.53 | camel_liu | of course |
| 08:28.22 | bradd_ | camel_liu, works for me from a fresh install (yesterday) |
| 08:28.56 | camel_liu | see: http://pastebin.ca/1255984 |
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| 08:31.00 | Mek | probably a problem with your proxy? |
| 08:31.05 | camel_liu | I found a proxy info in that. Maybe when I install armel target, I try a proxy. |
| 08:31.30 | camel_liu | Yes, Let me try to find it |
| 08:34.23 | Mek | well, according to that output you are using a proxy, and that proxy server seems broken |
| 08:35.02 | camel_liu | I found a 99proxy in target's apt.conf.d directory, and I del it, but problem is still here |
| 08:36.33 | camel_liu | What else can I do? restart target? |
| 08:39.02 | camel_liu | Mek, How can I find if I use a proxy in scratchbix? |
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| 08:44.57 | Guysoft422 | hey; is there a way to install firefox 3 on mamo? |
| 08:45.09 | camel_liu | There's a proxy ( http://192.168.1.181:9014/) used in wget, but I did not set it, how can I delete it? |
| 08:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, but there isn't much point. |
| 08:45.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's slow and crappy. |
| 08:46.13 | camel_liu | How can I set proxy in scratchbox? |
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| 09:03.06 | camel_liu | I resolved it |
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| 09:07.32 | guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, is there a way to sync bookmarks between them? and install greasemonkey? |
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| 09:52.35 | Meiz_n810 | i wanna lxde for m-r,but i have had no luck yet. I downloaded sources from sourceforge, but i have no idea how to compile... |
| 09:52.36 | prak | is it more worthwhile to put debian or android on n810? |
| 09:52.40 | prak | or rather |
| 09:52.50 | prak | which one is better for what type of applications? |
| 09:53.41 | StsN800 | debian is good if you want apps from debian, android if you want an outdated port |
| 09:54.02 | prak | outdated port? |
| 09:54.17 | prak | i just want to try out android just for fun |
| 09:54.23 | prak | but i'm having trouble installing it |
| 09:54.27 | Meiz_n810 | for now it is really outdated |
| 09:54.39 | prak | http://www.talkandroid.com/134-android-nokia-n810-install/ and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198240 is what i followed |
| 09:54.45 | Meiz_n810 | the installer thing |
| 09:54.45 | StsN800 | Meiz_n810, get source packages from ubunu? |
| 09:55.04 | Meiz_n810 | StsN800: thanks |
| 09:55.05 | prak | you mean the installer being outdated could be the problem of my installation troubles? |
| 09:55.12 | StsN800 | and dpkg-buildpackage them |
| 09:55.15 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 09:56.20 | Meiz_n810 | that android is pretty old |
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| 09:56.46 | Meiz_n810 | but i believe there is team working with the new one |
| 09:56.46 | prak | Meiz_n810, but until then, i probably can't install android, even with the old installer? |
| 09:56.52 | prak | and the old installer is the only installer out there right now? |
| 09:56.58 | Meiz_n810 | yes |
| 09:57.09 | Meiz_n810 | old installer is for old android |
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| 09:57.41 | prak | i guess i'll wait for the new one to come out then |
| 10:00.02 | prak | thanks for the heads up |
| 10:05.34 | Meiz_n810 | StsN800: i tried apt-get source lxpanel lxde-common. It says there is no packages called lxpanel os lxde-common |
| 10:05.41 | Meiz_n810 | *or |
| 10:06.14 | StsN800 | you have proper sources.lidst? |
| 10:06.40 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 10:07.05 | Meiz_n810 | i have all these what are listed at http://mojo.handhelds.org/hasty-armv6el-vfp |
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| 10:09.25 | camel_liu | What IDE do you use in scratchbox for development? |
| 10:10.12 | Meiz_n810 | I am trying to compile in tablet :) with chroot |
| 10:11.11 | camel_liu | Could anyone give a suggestion about IDE development tools in scratchbox? |
| 10:13.20 | RST38h | camel: Geany |
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| 10:16.05 | prak | when using maemo mapper, how long should the gps take to locate where i am? |
| 10:16.19 | RST38h | Depending on where you are and whether you are running AGPS |
| 10:16.25 | camel_liu | not know about Geany |
| 10:16.34 | StsN800 | Meiz_n810, maybe debian source packages then |
| 10:16.49 | StsN800 | find at packages.ubuntu.com |
| 10:16.51 | StsN800 | er |
| 10:16.56 | RST38h | camel: Do you know about google? |
| 10:16.56 | StsN800 | debian.org |
| 10:17.06 | camel_liu | not know AGPS neither |
| 10:17.23 | prak | RST38h, AGPS? |
| 10:17.30 | prak | or a gps? |
| 10:17.59 | RST38h | ~info agps |
| 10:18.07 | RST38h | hmmm |
| 10:18.12 | RST38h | ~what agps |
| 10:18.42 | prak | i got confused when RST38h said agps |
| 10:18.58 | RST38h | Ok, let us approach it from a different direction |
| 10:19.03 | prak | ok |
| 10:19.13 | prak | it seems that my gps on my n810 keeps searching forever |
| 10:19.22 | prak | hence i never gotten it working properly |
| 10:19.24 | RST38h | yea, so it does |
| 10:20.05 | RST38h | Install this program: agps-ui from the Maemo Extras |
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| 10:20.10 | prak | ok |
| 10:20.23 | RST38h | Run it, select your current locaiton on the map (as prcisely as possible) |
| 10:20.30 | prak | i'll check if agps-ui is installed |
| 10:20.35 | RST38h | Then quit agps-ui and run Map or Maemo Mapper |
| 10:20.49 | RST38h | Do make sure you are outside and the sky view is not blocked by buildings. |
| 10:21.04 | RST38h | It should take 40seconds to 5 minutes for the GPS to lock on. |
| 10:21.41 | RST38h | Oh, almost forgot: your tablet should have an internet connection (wifi or gprs) but as you are using the Mapper, you probably have it anywya |
| 10:21.58 | prak | i can't find agps-ui |
| 10:22.03 | prak | i can find a-gps |
| 10:22.09 | prak | i'm not sure if they are the same thing |
| 10:22.14 | RST38h | same thing |
| 10:22.15 | prak | and a-gps is a beta version |
| 10:22.17 | prak | ok |
| 10:25.17 | prak | should i see the world map when selecting the location for gps to sync? |
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| 10:51.39 | RST38h | A law criminalising denial of service attacks and the supply of hacking tools has been brought into force in England and Wales after a number of delays. The law was already in force in Scotland. |
| 10:51.41 | RST38h | hEHE |
| 10:56.09 | johnx | laws against "hacking tools" worry me a little |
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| 10:57.09 | RST38h | They are wonderful - make it much easier to jail people at random |
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| 10:57.33 | johnx | so laws against DDoS...does that make slashdot illegal? |
| 10:57.34 | RST38h | Although I kinda thought UK had no problem with this even without hacking tools |
| 10:58.04 | RST38h | johnx: Yes, so generally, UK may incarcerate or even execute Slashdot |
| 10:58.06 | RST38h | =) |
| 11:02.03 | lardman | bergie: ping |
| 11:02.10 | lardman | morning all |
| 11:02.31 | bergie | lardman: pong |
| 11:02.55 | lardman | bergie: I didn't quite understand the fix made to the karma, what's this about duplicate accounts? |
| 11:03.10 | lardman | bergie: is that some duplicate on the server side, rather than duplicate email accounts? |
| 11:03.30 | bergie | lardman: there were sometimes issues with user import from garage, and because of that many users have duplicate (inactivated) accounts |
| 11:03.40 | lardman | ah, that makes sense now |
| 11:03.43 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 11:05.03 | bergie | the issue was that sometimes garage produced corrupted user list transfer file |
| 11:05.16 | bergie | and so the importer thought some accounts had been removed and inactivated them |
| 11:05.22 | bergie | then in next import it created new copies |
| 11:05.40 | lardman | ok |
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| 11:16.59 | StsN800 | yawns |
| 11:22.27 | johnx | hey Stskeeps :D |
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| 11:28.23 | StsN800 | lo johnx |
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| 11:37.44 | zap | how's called that nice matchbox-sized thingy with an OMAP 3530 on it? |
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| 11:38.07 | zap | bearbox or something like it |
| 11:39.11 | StsN800 | zap, beagleboard? |
| 11:39.18 | johnx | gimstix, beagleboard. omapzoom? |
| 11:39.34 | johnx | pandora (for a big matchbox) |
| 11:39.45 | StsN800 | gumstix |
| 11:40.02 | johnx | yes, gumstix overo, not gimstix :) |
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| 11:42.46 | zap | StsN800: thanks |
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| 12:08.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think i'll work a bit with installer this afternoon |
| 12:09.03 | Stskeeps | any luck on finding the minimal subset? |
| 12:15.30 | brphelps | Does maemo sdk 4.1 work with the n770 |
| 12:17.00 | Stskeeps | good question i guess |
| 12:17.16 | Stskeeps | it technically does target diablo, but i dunno if its impossible to compile for 770 :P |
| 12:17.39 | brphelps | So if I am targetting the 770, I need to use 2.2? |
| 12:18.53 | Stskeeps | well, there's OS2006 or OS2007HE and OS2008HE too.. |
| 12:20.34 | brphelps | n770 uses OS2006, I'm a bit confused, does 4.1 do OS2006 or am I better off using 4.1? |
| 12:20.46 | brphelps | sorry 2.2? |
| 12:20.52 | brphelps | not 4.1 |
| 12:20.52 | RST38h | you are better off using 2.2 |
| 12:21.22 | RST38h | is checking whether the latest sdk even provides an os2006 rootstrap |
| 12:21.29 | brphelps | Ok, RST38h thanks |
| 12:23.55 | RST38h | yes, Nokia says use 2.2 |
| 12:25.31 | brphelps | So if I use 0.1 vmware image on http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ I'll be ok? |
| 12:26.51 | brphelps | Its the only one with Bora and Gregale |
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| 13:13.14 | guysoft42 | hey, how do i change the position of applications in the appplication menu? |
| 13:13.59 | mgedmin | control panel -> panels -> organize |
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| 13:29.13 | guysoft42 | mgedmin, thanks :-) |
| 13:29.47 | guysoft42 | btw, i carn't seem to get a lock on the GPS ( i tried standing out side , no luck) . what could be the problem? |
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| 13:36.43 | woglinde | hi |
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| 13:39.43 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: n810 gps isn't exactly known to be that fancy |
| 13:39.52 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: people are still trying to trace down the issue |
| 13:40.19 | woglinde | strike I solved the problem I am working the whole week on |
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| 13:48.53 | woglinde | hm what do you think which license is the /usr/share/X11/xkb directory? |
| 13:49.09 | Stskeeps | good question really.. |
| 13:49.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 13:49.25 | Stskeeps | if it's on repository.maemo.org/pool, probably openish |
| 13:49.54 | woglinde | stskeeps the files beside the files from nokia are mit |
| 13:50.02 | woglinde | because xserver is mit |
| 13:50.16 | woglinde | hm probably they are mit too |
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| 14:19.12 | johnx | Stskeeps, still dealing with stupid things |
| 14:19.16 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:19.41 | johnx | some of the problems I *am* making for myself though :) |
| 14:23.39 | woglinde | he johnx |
| 14:23.46 | johnx | hi woglinde |
| 14:23.48 | woglinde | johnx I got it work |
| 14:23.50 | woglinde | yeah |
| 14:24.09 | johnx | really? so does that mean an easy to setup nx client? |
| 14:24.41 | woglinde | copied the whole xkb dir to the server and put a if in the nxnode.conf to change to that dir when using the nokia |
| 14:24.48 | woglinde | args nxnode |
| 14:25.45 | woglinde | hehe and you must link keycode.dir to keymap.dir |
| 14:25.48 | lcuk | wanders around irc intoxicated |
| 14:25.58 | lcuk | blames Stskeeps |
| 14:26.08 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 14:26.16 | lcuk | hiya woglinde, hows tricks |
| 14:26.30 | johnx | lcuk, did Stskeeps drive you to drink? |
| 14:26.46 | Stskeeps | i think that might have happened with some deblet uses |
| 14:26.49 | Stskeeps | users |
| 14:26.57 | woglinde | haha |
| 14:26.59 | lcuk | heh, not really the cruel git left me a beer in #liqbase |
| 14:27.15 | lcuk | and its inpolite not to drink it all |
| 14:28.27 | Stskeeps | i'm having one myself irl :P |
| 14:28.39 | lcuk | ill have lots tonight |
| 14:28.50 | lcuk | reminderdate:1300,remindercount:600,POANextDueDate::POADate |
| 14:28.53 | lcuk | oh crap |
| 14:30.02 | lcuk | Stskeeps, so how hammered will you be later? |
| 14:30.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think i'll make a shell script installer for this, - deblet installer is a bit too heavy for our PoC stuff |
| 14:30.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk: probably not too much. dad coming to visit me tomorrow |
| 14:30.28 | lcuk | and can we expect to see the next version of mamemmemmmo rereconstructulated tonight |
| 14:30.44 | lcuk | fair enough |
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| 14:31.37 | woglinde | *g* |
| 14:31.43 | johnx | Stskeeps, sounds, good. I'll try and get a default package set to send to you |
| 14:31.49 | johnx | if hildon-desktop will cooperate |
| 14:31.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: is dpkg-deb -x armelpack dir; dpkg-deb -e armelpackage.deb dir/DEBIAN; change architecture to arm from armel, dpkg-deb --build the easiest to rename arm? |
| 14:31.56 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 14:32.06 | Stskeeps | i don't expect a huge system, just one that boots sanely :P |
| 14:32.23 | johnx | boots into Xorg/hildon-desktop, right? |
| 14:32.31 | johnx | I haven't had hildon-desktop running yet O_o |
| 14:32.55 | Stskeeps | well boots into whatever really, as long as it boots ;) |
| 14:33.04 | Stskeeps | as a foundation |
| 14:33.14 | johnx | boots into a white screen with no input possible? ok, done! :D |
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| 14:33.41 | johnx | yes, that's the quickest way to change architecture when you don't have a source package |
| 14:33.43 | Stskeeps | .. or rescue menu with console |
| 14:34.25 | Stskeeps | ponders a little about the <script> parameter of debootstrap |
| 14:34.46 | johnx | well, I'm going to give hildon-desktop a couple more tries before I give up for now, so wish me luck |
| 14:35.31 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:36.53 | Stskeeps | how do you do pinning btw? |
| 14:37.26 | johnx | something of a dark art: http://pastebin.com/m6904e4d1 |
| 14:37.45 | johnx | be careful with changing the priority numbers. they actually mean something |
| 14:38.43 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:39.03 | johnx | for some reason the Release file on trac.tspre.org doesn't seem to be processed, so I had to pin by origin instead of release |
| 14:39.38 | Stskeeps | think we'll do the experiment of having a derived distribution that has a main base, and some replacement packages |
| 14:39.44 | Stskeeps | so we have both repos |
| 14:39.52 | johnx | that's what I figured |
| 14:39.55 | johnx | hence the higher pin |
| 14:40.02 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:40.10 | Stskeeps | wonders if he can make debootstrap do pinning |
| 14:40.20 | johnx | aaaahhh....well, hmm |
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| 14:40.50 | johnx | what needs to be pinned inside minbase? |
| 14:41.03 | Stskeeps | well we might run into that eventually |
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| 14:41.27 | johnx | lets cross that bridge when we come to it. that almost calls for switching to debian-installer |
| 14:41.54 | Stskeeps | debian-installer uses debootstrap though? |
| 14:42.39 | johnx | hmm, probably does I guess |
| 14:42.45 | johnx | nevermind me :) |
| 14:43.16 | Stskeeps | looks at cdebootstrap |
| 14:43.44 | johnx | I guess we should just make our own unified repository at that point |
| 14:43.55 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:43.55 | Stskeeps | true |
| 14:44.11 | Stskeeps | could be an interesting way at some point though |
| 14:44.22 | Stskeeps | deriative, but keeping up to date without huge effort |
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| 14:51.03 | johnx | I should add that the file I gave you with the pins should be /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 14:53.45 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:54.05 | Stskeeps | would an apt-get dist-upgrade force-upgrade it to the versions on the mirror then? |
| 14:54.11 | Stskeeps | (does apt track origins?) |
| 14:55.03 | johnx | hmm, this calls for me to RTFM :) |
| 14:55.28 | Stskeeps | just a curious question, so :P |
| 14:57.19 | johnx | man apt_preferences actually has a concise description of the logic |
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| 14:58.02 | johnx | but yes, priority is more important than version |
| 14:59.16 | johnx | ah, though it won't downgrade unless the priority is over 1000 |
| 15:03.16 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:04.11 | Stskeeps | what should minbase include? i have apt-utils, wget, udev atm |
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| 15:04.44 | johnx | we want something that boots to a UI or is this going to boot to a shell? |
| 15:05.24 | Stskeeps | well, the base system itself, shouldn't include more than what we need to drag in from ubuntu to boot.. rest will be taken care of through apt |
| 15:05.59 | Stskeeps | grr @ white screen of wiki on wiki.maemo.org |
| 15:06.03 | johnx | ah, just your debootstrap base? then you'll chroot in as part of the install to flesh it out? |
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| 15:06.25 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:06.33 | johnx | try prefixing with https |
| 15:06.59 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know, but it's irritating when refering people to it they get a white screen |
| 15:07.02 | Stskeeps | 770 all over again |
| 15:07.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:07.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:07.07 | johnx | ahaha |
| 15:07.17 | johnx | a cruel joke to early adopters |
| 15:07.29 | johnx | I actually got away without wget. I used it from outside the chroot |
| 15:07.50 | johnx | otherwise it looks fine |
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| 15:10.16 | Meiz_n810 | what is difference between lxsession lxsession-lite |
| 15:12.53 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.05 | Stskeeps | think lxsession-lite is the actual one that people use |
| 15:13.44 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
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| 15:14.21 | johnx | Stskeeps, if that's base, add net-tools, udhcpc | dhcp3-client |
| 15:15.07 | Meiz_n810 | i used to add ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb to rc.local. Is that good way to make it automatical? |
| 15:15.23 | Stskeeps | johnx: k |
| 15:15.28 | johnx | Meiz_n810, seems fine |
| 15:16.24 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 15:16.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: don't think i can | in debootsrap |
| 15:16.40 | johnx | sorry, I meant for you to parse that |
| 15:16.46 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:17.03 | johnx | whatever you feel is better |
| 15:17.59 | Stskeeps | well udhcpc isn't in ubuntu is it? |
| 15:17.59 | johnx | it is |
| 15:17.59 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 15:17.59 | johnx | universe though |
| 15:17.59 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 15:20.00 | Stskeeps | let's see if --components=main,multiverse,restricted,universe work s:P |
| 15:26.55 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'll just do a silly tar.gz installer that requires deblet installer installed + bootmenu for now |
| 15:26.58 | Stskeeps | and probably put it in svn |
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| 15:27.13 | johnx | ok, that seems completely reasonable for now |
| 15:27.38 | johnx | I'm still fighting with hildon-desktop. These startup scripts really, really need to be completely refactored |
| 15:27.43 | johnx | I'm kind of dreading it |
| 15:28.40 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:28.55 | Stskeeps | i think we're going to convert some of them into upstart jobs |
| 15:28.59 | Stskeeps | or the likes |
| 15:29.04 | johnx | adding stuff to my /etc/profile = not cool |
| 15:30.18 | Stskeeps | yeah.. there's several WTFs among those |
| 15:31.51 | Stskeeps | noone said reconstructing maemo would be easy, and now we have proof :P |
| 15:34.18 | johnx | it all started out so smoothly though :P |
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| 15:36.29 | johnx | well, I got it to *run* and display the sidebar with messed up graphics |
| 15:36.38 | johnx | I'm stealing debian's start-hildon script |
| 15:36.59 | johnx | later, using as much of their packaging as possible seems like the best idea |
| 15:39.09 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 15:41.13 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hmm, is it pointless if I modify zenity to show an icon in the task navigator? |
| 15:42.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it primarily does modal dialog boxes |
| 15:43.12 | Stskeeps | http://linuxuk.org/ubuntu_on_maemo <- god, i think they're so wrong.. |
| 15:43.13 | qwerty12 | Yeah, that's why I don't see the point. The dialog boxes can't get "lost" right (been a long time since I used deblet installer :)) ? |
| 15:43.22 | Stskeeps | afaik yeah |
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| 15:43.52 | Stskeeps | "press release delayed fremantle sdk" |
| 15:44.08 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I agree with you. Although it would be easy to get some small apps installed. |
| 15:44.26 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: But really don't want a full desktop on my tablet ;) |
| 15:44.42 | Stskeeps | well, ofcourse a ubuntu port is wrong but a full ubuntu desktop does -not make sense- on tablets |
| 15:45.03 | Stskeeps | it will reduce n900 to a tiny desktop with 4 hours of battery |
| 15:45.38 | Stskeeps | and judging from the nokia people's jaikus, i doubt this was expected from nokia's side |
| 15:45.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:45.51 | lardman | where's that info from? |
| 15:45.57 | X-Fade | Heh, yeah.. |
| 15:46.32 | X-Fade | All people complain about in G1 and IPhone is basically battery life. |
| 15:46.37 | X-Fade | Well, we have that ;) |
| 15:47.00 | johnx | though after almost 2 years mine is really going south :/ |
| 15:47.05 | Stskeeps | i can't see how the hell they expect ubuntu mobile to be viable power saving |
| 15:47.31 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: It sucks on my laptop, so I can't imagine it on my tablet. |
| 15:48.05 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: The number of wakeups of some of the desktop applications will really kill battery life. |
| 15:48.13 | Stskeeps | and i must admit, after playing with optimizing deblet power usage, nokia -gets-it, regarding power saving |
| 15:49.10 | johnx | yeah, I always wondered where all the man-hours there went until I read some of the changelogs |
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| 15:49.44 | johnx | aside: is there a kernel that can be used with powertop? |
| 15:49.46 | Stskeeps | ah, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all |
| 15:50.14 | Stskeeps | that's what qgil meant by "let's see how mobile this Jackalope's arm will be" |
| 15:50.23 | johnx | ahaha |
| 15:50.53 | X-Fade | Yeah, I really think that it makes more sense on netbooks. |
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| 15:51.33 | johnx | or something that isn't "always on" |
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| 15:51.54 | qwerty12 | johnx, powertop kernels only work if the wifi is switched off :/ |
| 15:52.41 | X-Fade | But it is really amazing to see that people think that compiling a distro for arm makes it a mobile distro ;) |
| 15:52.48 | johnx | I must say I'm really excited about the new kernel and open wifi :) |
| 15:54.15 | qwerty12 | ~bitchslap cdbs |
| 15:54.16 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of cdbs |
| 15:57.06 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, hehe, that always makes me laugh. |
| 15:57.55 | X-Fade | And the conclusions Jamie is drawing out of this are really funny. |
| 15:58.45 | Stskeeps | well some of the things might actually happen (debian/ubuntu base), but some of them are about as conspiracy-like as some of my thoughts until i started seeing other indications |
| 15:59.26 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well even now Maemo is not really Debian based. |
| 15:59.53 | Stskeeps | i think it kinda stems from history really how it has developed |
| 15:59.54 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: So changing the whole OS to run on Ubuntu before mid 2009.. Sure.. |
| 16:00.14 | Stskeeps | for fremantle maybe not but for harmattan, maybe |
| 16:00.14 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: It uses debian packages, but ... |
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| 16:01.20 | X-Fade | Realistically, how many packages would you really use from Debian on a consumer grade tablet. |
| 16:01.43 | X-Fade | It is all lower layer stuff, not a lot end-user. |
| 16:02.03 | johnx | it makes getting packages on it easier |
| 16:02.09 | Stskeeps | well, if we see it from the POV of hildonizing apps, libraries are the kicker |
| 16:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | Can anybody confirm whether Kate actually provided the fi_FI translation? |
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| 16:02.32 | Stskeeps | not having to deal with all the maemo weirdnesses is a big plus too |
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| 16:03.06 | johnx | though really, most of the stuff on stage in trunk is fairly in line with recent debian and ubuntu package naming, |
| 16:03.09 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: My guess is that a lot of hildonization issues go away with QT :) |
| 16:03.11 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i am not saying i want a full ubuntu desktop though |
| 16:03.14 | johnx | and most of it just builds without problems |
| 16:03.35 | johnx | X-Fade, only for apps written in QT... |
| 16:03.36 | lardman | debian builds seem to hook in loads of extraneous crap |
| 16:03.40 | lardman | as deps |
| 16:04.00 | johnx | lardman, yes, and those are easy to tweak |
| 16:04.01 | X-Fade | johnx: Sure, but at least those apps look more decent by default. |
| 16:04.27 | Stskeeps | lardman: debian doing "install all recommended" doesn't help either |
| 16:04.28 | hahlobit | GeneralAntilles: whois Kate? kde editor? |
| 16:04.44 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia person, not important. |
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| 16:04.57 | X-Fade | hahlobit: Kate is a more awesome hacker than all of us here together ;) |
| 16:05.41 | hahlobit | X-Fade: you mean katix kate? |
| 16:05.54 | lardman | yep |
| 16:05.55 | X-Fade | hahlobit: Yep |
| 16:06.09 | hahlobit | ok |
| 16:06.41 | X-Fade | So any people from Norway, Sweden or Portugal here? |
| 16:09.58 | johnx | and hildon-desktop lives! |
| 16:10.04 | lardman | X-Fade: you mean you don't?! |
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| 16:10.13 | lardman | X-Fade: speak those that is :) |
| 16:10.54 | X-Fade | lardman: I guess I can google it, but that might not be the best solution. |
| 16:10.57 | johnx | maybe lives is a little strong, undead might be more appropriate |
| 16:10.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: woo! scrshot? |
| 16:11.16 | Stskeeps | undead is okay |
| 16:11.16 | Stskeeps | :p |
| 16:11.19 | johnx | heh...you won't like it :) |
| 16:11.29 | lardman | X-Fade: a reply to the General's first post highlighting the needed countries? |
| 16:11.36 | X-Fade | lardman: Don't want to have situations lie this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3332019/Out-of-office-reply-appears-on-street-sign.html |
| 16:11.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: meh, i like any progress |
| 16:11.44 | X-Fade | s/lie/like/ |
| 16:11.57 | lardman | yeah, that's great :D |
| 16:12.03 | Stskeeps | w00t_: brik up for a quick .no translation? |
| 16:12.09 | lardman | but then who cares, only Welsh hey? ;) |
| 16:12.28 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:12.33 | lardman | hopes his best man's wife doesn't read that.... |
| 16:12.42 | X-Fade | Yeah, I can really understand how things like this happen. |
| 16:12.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: 57mb flash image without any sort of docpurge of base system btw |
| 16:13.00 | johnx | oh, translation. the stories I could tell :) |
| 16:13.48 | X-Fade | http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/then-well-grab.html |
| 16:13.51 | X-Fade | Same thing ;) |
| 16:13.55 | Stskeeps | you're an english teacher, johnx, right? |
| 16:14.03 | Stskeeps | i guess you must see horrendous examples |
| 16:14.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:14.08 | X-Fade | "Translate server error" |
| 16:14.33 | johnx | I also see the process, which is sometimes more terrifying |
| 16:14.39 | Stskeeps | "go to babelfish"? |
| 16:15.03 | lardman | some of those translations are pretty shocking |
| 16:15.17 | johnx | boss to slave^Wworker: "I heard you know english. translate this important business document" slave: "oh shits, better ask my english tutor" |
| 16:15.22 | Stskeeps | hah |
| 16:16.26 | Stskeeps | anyone know perl and feel like patching dpkg-divert so that when docpurge is in place, /usr/share/man and such diversions are out of line? |
| 16:16.45 | Stskeeps | (ie, just ignore the attempt) |
| 16:17.03 | Stskeeps | and print ** Not diverting man page because of docpurge, or something silly :P |
| 16:17.25 | lardman | cu chaps later |
| 16:18.31 | Stskeeps | which leads me to the zen question of today. can dpkg-divert divert itself? :P |
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| 16:18.47 | johnx | this is on a zaurus. for some reason it has problems with sapwood: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/desktopxwd.png |
| 16:18.58 | johnx | I suspect some lower level x11 problem though :/ |
| 16:19.09 | Stskeeps | is m-r though? |
| 16:19.16 | johnx | yes, m-r |
| 16:19.20 | Stskeeps | hey, progress |
| 16:19.51 | johnx | I'll add the "start-hildon" script to hildon-desktop, rebuild and upload |
| 16:20.06 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:20.10 | johnx | also a dependency fix |
| 16:20.37 | johnx | locales will be non-working except for en_UK.UTF-8 |
| 16:20.47 | Stskeeps | you mean en_GB? |
| 16:20.54 | johnx | yeah, oops :) |
| 16:21.05 | johnx | thought that looked weird |
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| 16:22.29 | Meiz_n810 | i accidentally compiled some lxde packages succesfully |
| 16:22.41 | Stskeeps | first try? |
| 16:23.07 | Meiz_n810 | not my first compilation, but first that might work |
| 16:23.11 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:23.20 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 16:26.03 | GeneralAntilles | feels compelled to address qgil's hardware confidentiality comment and the scores of old, and perfectly valid OS2008 bugs that were simply WONTFIXed because of Nokia's negligence. |
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| 16:29.04 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: this in the ITT thread about feature trackers? |
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| 16:31.04 | thopiekar | X-Fade : Are you there? |
| 16:31.52 | Meiz_n810 | mouse in Xorg seems to stay pressed even if i release... |
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| 16:34.59 | Meiz_n810 | when i tried gnome, menu open with single click, but when i try to click next menu item the menu just closes... So i had to click and hold to get the menu stay open |
| 16:36.16 | Stskeeps | im not sure if that's usual part of gnome interaction or not |
| 16:36.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: hmm, doesn't powerlaunch provide MCE, alarmd and some others? |
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| 16:37.21 | johnx | I know nothing about powerlaunch, sorry |
| 16:37.30 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:37.55 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah. |
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| 16:38.49 | Stskeeps | notes people are confused by xephyr, calling it an emulator |
| 16:40.35 | johnx | a lot of people are confused about programming their VCRs too |
| 16:40.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 16:41.04 | johnx | really the more general statement to be made here is "A lot of people are confused." |
| 16:41.05 | Meiz_n810 | F*ckin Segmentation Fault |
| 16:41.10 | dougt | <blink> 12:00 </blink> |
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| 16:42.52 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, at the risk of sounding like a cunt, those people are the people who don't know shit anyway |
| 16:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | But qwerty12 knows shit |
| 16:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | he knows shit good. :P |
| 16:43.26 | Myrtti | mmm chocolate pudding |
| 16:43.27 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 16:43.33 | qwerty12 | lol |
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| 16:55.12 | Stskeeps | johnx: can you make tslib provide: xserver-xorg-input-2? |
| 16:55.15 | Stskeeps | it will save some space |
| 16:55.22 | johnx | ok, sure |
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| 17:05.04 | Stskeeps | we dont really need wacom support in the tablet so.. :P |
| 17:05.08 | Stskeeps | atleast by default |
| 17:05.11 | johnx | or synaptics |
| 17:07.02 | Stskeeps | xserver-xorg-input-kbd though? |
| 17:07.09 | w00t_ | Stskeeps: what is it, and how much will she be earning? \o/ |
| 17:07.13 | johnx | I think we need it |
| 17:07.19 | w00t_ | PM btw for my lovely adventures |
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| 17:07.29 | Stskeeps | w00t_: zip null and it's 10 words |
| 17:07.37 | ShadowJK_ | I'd love a touchpad for tablet |
| 17:07.40 | ShadowJK_ | or a trackball |
| 17:07.41 | w00t_ | drop it in PM and i'll get her to take a look |
| 17:07.50 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:08.58 | johnx | changed, rebuilding, will upload then off to sleep. I'll let hildon-desktop run overnight :/ |
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| 17:09.27 | GNUton | hi |
| 17:09.52 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 17:10.23 | GNUton | Hey Khertan_n810 |
| 17:10.47 | Khertan_n810 | week finish ! |
| 17:10.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: k |
| 17:11.41 | Khertan_n810 | will migrate his website to a blog in few time |
| 17:11.54 | GNUton | Khertan_n810:Wordpress? |
| 17:12.28 | Khertan_n810 | nope last time i used wordpress i was hacked |
| 17:12.52 | Khertan_n810 | dotclear |
| 17:13.08 | XTL | With an axe? |
| 17:13.28 | Khertan_n810 | my tests : http://khertan.net/dotclear |
| 17:13.44 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, Sorry, I didn't mean to do so much damage |
| 17:13.45 | Khertan_n810 | xtl : hacked not slashed |
| 17:13.59 | XTL | Who'd use an axe for slashing? |
| 17:14.10 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 ? |
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| 17:14.29 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, I'm joking :P |
| 17:14.36 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:15.15 | qwerty12 | I'm trying to see if I can figure out a dirty way of getting lockable desktop applets |
| 17:15.17 | Khertan_n810 | what do you think of it ? |
| 17:15.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: recompile hildon desktop maybe |
| 17:15.39 | Stskeeps | from trunk |
| 17:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | GNUton, did Kate actually end up providing the fi_FI translations? I'm trying to figure out attribution for all of them, and the IP came from Beijing, so I wasn't sure. |
| 17:15.41 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, I actually very much liked it. Looks good :) |
| 17:16.02 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 a easy way is to make the applet full screen and transparent |
| 17:16.04 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Well, I'm looking at hildon desktop that is with diablo. Don't know if I want to risk a trunk build :/ |
| 17:16.11 | Khertan_n810 | thx |
| 17:16.22 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, Doesn't work well when you have lots of applets :P |
| 17:16.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: you of all people not wanting to risk something.. ;) |
| 17:16.33 | GNUton | GeneralAntilles: Kate is here in Finland. |
| 17:16.42 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12> yep |
| 17:16.52 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I effed up hildon desktop last time when I recompiled the rss reader applet ffs. And I didn't have ssh then... |
| 17:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | GNUton, so I assumed, which is why I wasn't sure. |
| 17:17.00 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 17:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder why provided the fi_FI translation. . . . |
| 17:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | s/why/who/ |
| 17:17.52 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, This is just a guess, but I think it's from someone who speaks Finnish :P |
| 17:18.41 | Khertan_n810 | is trying to find a way to resize a gtk.CellRendererToggle |
| 17:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, got a name? :P |
| 17:19.40 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Hmm, I'll have to come back to you on that one :P |
| 17:20.51 | Stskeeps | johnx: ta |
| 17:21.07 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-desktop/ is the same as the released diablo one anyway :/ |
| 17:21.57 | Khertan_n810 | someone have try my new homeapplet ? |
| 17:22.08 | Khertan_n810 | what do you think of it ? |
| 17:22.34 | mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: I know that it wasn't me, so you have 5.6*10^6-1 options left ;) |
| 17:23.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: and ofcourse ubuntu doesn't do the -2 trick. |
| 17:23.56 | Stskeeps | %"% |
| 17:24.06 | johnx | ... |
| 17:24.25 | Stskeeps | ponders wwhat causes it |
| 17:24.52 | johnx | install -tslib explicitly *first* |
| 17:25.00 | johnx | then install other stuff. I think it worked here |
| 17:26.19 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, it'd probably be easier to just get somebody I can actually identify to re-translate. |
| 17:27.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: i officially hate apt |
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| 17:27.18 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, GNUton, lardman|gone, Jaffa, RST38h, andre__, are you good with GPLv2 for your translations? |
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| 17:27.35 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: er. public domain |
| 17:27.49 | Stskeeps | or BSD licensed (non-GPL conflicting one) |
| 17:27.58 | Stskeeps | but if it gets too much trouble, sure, gplv2 |
| 17:28.17 | mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: do you need to know the author? Translations would be the same anyway |
| 17:28.36 | johnx | well, public domain is the same as letting someone else put it under the gplv2 :) |
| 17:29.04 | johnx | and yes, sometimes I hate apt as well. Then I remember that there's not anything *better* out there |
| 17:29.29 | mikkov_ | I'm not sure if you can even claim copyright of couple of simple tranlations |
| 17:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, mvo recommended GPLv2. |
| 17:29.44 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, yes you can, and yes the attribution does matter. |
| 17:29.48 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, sure |
| 17:30.05 | woglinde | hi GeneralAntilles |
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| 17:30.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: if i change around tslib and omap, it wants to load all of the x servers but not the input devices.. |
| 17:31.08 | Stskeeps | apt really needs a severe severe beating |
| 17:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, woglinde. |
| 17:31.29 | johnx | huh...I swear I have both installed and almost nothing else |
| 17:31.34 | mikkov_ | you can't claim copyright for something that is too simple or obvious |
| 17:31.36 | woglinde | Stskeeps????? |
| 17:31.45 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, you can claim copyright on translations. |
| 17:31.46 | woglinde | Stskeeps when the package depends suckz |
| 17:31.49 | GeneralAntilles | Trust me on this one. :) |
| 17:31.58 | woglinde | apt cant do it other way |
| 17:32.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, but translations of words? :P |
| 17:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | Translations are translations. |
| 17:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | Better to just attribute them and avoid issues later. |
| 17:32.30 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I don't doubt what you are saying but it sounds a little pointless to claim copyright on translations imho |
| 17:32.47 | andre__ | Translations DO have copyrights. |
| 17:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, and I very much doubt any of the translators will actually care |
| 17:33.01 | johnx | Stskeeps, four packages: xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-tslib xserver-xorg-video-omapfb |
| 17:33.15 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:33.19 | johnx | I don't remember doing anything special to get them installed without anything else |
| 17:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | but better to spent a short while to cover your bases than having one person object after the strings have been shipped with the next SSU. |
| 17:33.29 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 17:33.30 | johnx | but *don't* install xserver-xorg first |
| 17:33.48 | mikkov_ | yes, but if translation of one word necessarily doesn't meet mininal standards of originality |
| 17:34.41 | qwerty12 | hildon-desktop's debian/rules: "# Use soft-float and thumb mode if it enabled.".eww. Time to change that... |
| 17:34.49 | mikkov_ | "In Australia and the United Kingdom it has been held that a single word is insufficient to comprise a copyright work" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrights |
| 17:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, either way, getting the attributions doesn't hurt anybody and certainly stands to reduce pain in the long run. |
| 17:35.19 | andre__ | that's why some of the strings I translated were two words. :-P |
| 17:35.57 | mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: you are right. And translation of set of words is copyrighted anyway ;) |
| 17:36.34 | johnx | qwerty12, did you the benchmark results about mixing thumb and vfp code? |
| 17:37.00 | woglinde | johny there are 2 or 3 meta packages which pulls in all xserver packages |
| 17:37.21 | qwerty12 | johnx, nope :). I have a habit though of compiling big programs with vfp :/ |
| 17:37.38 | woglinde | thumb needs some care |
| 17:37.53 | woglinde | with binutils 2.19 some thinks are broken |
| 17:38.00 | johnx | qwerty12, if you don't recompile the libs you'll probably get a net performance loss |
| 17:38.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://rafb.net/p/otkrI439.html |
| 17:38.14 | johnx | qwerty12, http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html |
| 17:38.24 | qwerty12 | Thanks johnx, reading... |
| 17:38.37 | Stskeeps | (and i guess for woglinde too.) |
| 17:38.53 | johnx | what about individually? |
| 17:39.18 | johnx | though aptitude is really the right job for this, not apt-get |
| 17:39.38 | woglinde | hahah |
| 17:39.42 | woglinde | I am using dselect |
| 17:40.16 | woglinde | stskeep hm |
| 17:40.19 | johnx | gah! |
| 17:40.20 | woglinde | xserver-xorg-input-all is the problem |
| 17:40.21 | Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/FKpphp95.html |
| 17:40.39 | Stskeeps | (individually) |
| 17:41.13 | Stskeeps | i guess it might work better if it was a metapackage instead of a large string of packages |
| 17:41.43 | Stskeeps | but it's stupid it doesn't include command line parameters in the dependancy graph.. |
| 17:41.54 | johnx | maybe I downloaded, did dpkg -i and then apt-get -f install? wonder if that makes a difference... |
| 17:42.23 | Stskeeps | possibly |
| 17:42.45 | Stskeeps | tries with metapackage |
| 17:42.47 | johnx | all I know is I have just those four packages and apt isn't complaining about missing deps |
| 17:43.01 | johnx | I think there's an option to turn off the "install recommended" bit |
| 17:43.07 | johnx | that would be highly suggested |
| 17:43.11 | woglinde | Stskeeps what is the goal only the four packages? |
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| 17:43.47 | Khertan_n810 | hi again |
| 17:44.09 | woglinde | hi khertan |
| 17:44.15 | Khertan_n810 | so'eone know how to remove border between two gtk treeview column |
| 17:44.31 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 17:44.33 | woglinde | Khertan_n810 does the gtk-doc says nothing? |
| 17:44.39 | Khertan_n810 | hi woglinde |
| 17:44.52 | Khertan_n810 | nope i don t see anything about that |
| 17:45.15 | johnx | hildon-desktop building, I'm off to bed |
| 17:45.18 | Khertan_n810 | maybe i m wrong |
| 17:45.20 | johnx | good luck Stskeeps |
| 17:45.38 | woglinde | nite johnx |
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| 17:46.15 | Khertan_n810 | google don t say anymore |
| 17:46.20 | Khertan_n810 | maybe wrong search parameters |
| 17:47.13 | woglinde | Khertan_n810 sorry I can not cope with gtk so much |
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| 17:48.54 | salty | hello all |
| 17:49.08 | rdorsch | Hello, I have on my N800 an "$ ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper" and get a "-sh: ldd: not found". Any ideas what is going wrong? |
| 17:49.16 | rdorsch | which ldd give /usr/bin/ldd |
| 17:49.52 | qwerty12 | [1|root@Nokia-N800-36-5|~]dpkg -S `which ldd` |
| 17:49.52 | qwerty12 | libc6: /usr/bin/ldd |
| 17:51.00 | salty | i wonder if someone can point me in the right direction for instructions to compiling outside source code for the N800 with maemo OS2008 using scratchbox2 with diablo-4.1-armel rootstrap |
| 17:51.13 | Stskeeps | woglinde: okay, it fails as a metapackage as well. lovely |
| 17:51.25 | rdorsch | qwerty12: I have the same output of dpkg -S here |
| 17:51.27 | woglinde | Stskeeps again what you want achieve? |
| 17:51.59 | rdorsch | Any idea what could ldd stop form working? I am wondering if a locale setting could be an issue. |
| 17:52.21 | qwerty12 | rdorsch, ah, it's a script. Try "busybox sh /usr/bin/ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper" |
| 17:52.46 | qwerty12 | rdorsch, you don't have bash installed which means no ldd (1: #!/bin/bash) |
| 17:52.52 | Stskeeps | woglinde: i have two packages. one is an x server, another is an input method. it is supposed to satisify the xorg-input-2 and such provides fromx server-xorg |
| 17:53.29 | woglinde | Stskeeps hm okay |
| 17:53.41 | qwerty12 | rdorsch, busybox's sh is too shit for ldd, install bash or something |
| 17:53.53 | Stskeeps | and it can't be true apt changes behaviour based on the order of command line packages.. |
| 17:54.30 | woglinde | but the apt-get puts the meta packages in |
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| 17:58.15 | rdorsch | qwerty12: thanks, installing bash fixed the problem. |
| 17:58.36 | RST38h | moo, all |
| 17:58.54 | woglinde | moo rst |
| 18:00.59 | Mousey | apt-get moo |
| 18:01.19 | Stskeeps | apt-get grenade and wait around a bit |
| 18:01.39 | Mousey | you for got --pin or --no-pin |
| 18:01.48 | Mousey | heheh, apt-pin |
| 18:03.39 | lcuk | has a small panic on |
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| 18:03.53 | woglinde | lcuk why? |
| 18:04.39 | RST38h | THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING! |
| 18:04.49 | lcuk | well we know that |
| 18:04.51 | RST38h | --=* WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE! *=-- |
| 18:04.51 | Stskeeps | passes lcuk more beer |
| 18:04.56 | lcuk | !!! |
| 18:05.09 | lcuk | more - id forgotten about the first i drunk earlier - then just drove home |
| 18:05.11 | Jaffa | thinks he's just fixed his millionth character encoding issue of the week. And this one used to work on Monday. |
| 18:05.11 | lcuk | damn you stskeeps |
| 18:05.38 | lcuk | ouch jaffa, i had regression bugs in my software - between a working function this morning and one this afternoon |
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| 18:06.14 | RST38h | Here, have a panic now |
| 18:06.18 | Khertan_n810 | sorry 3g connection not stable |
| 18:06.19 | lcuk | (incidentally, the beer was virtual irc beer - for thos thinking im that silly) |
| 18:06.33 | lcuk | is feelin a bit calmer |
| 18:06.37 | Khertan_n810 | hi lcuk |
| 18:06.40 | Stskeeps | ponders idly why his software updater starts blinking all of a sudden |
| 18:06.42 | lcuk | hiya khertan |
| 18:06.45 | RST38h | Jaffa: That is why one should always use cp1252 =) |
| 18:06.58 | RST38h | Ok, cp1251 if you need cyrillics. |
| 18:07.05 | Khertan_n810 | woglinde: do u have an answer about gtk treeview ? |
| 18:07.17 | woglinde | khertan sorry no |
| 18:07.26 | woglinde | I am not a really gtk guy |
| 18:07.35 | Khertan_n810 | gtk.treeviewcolumn.set_spacing isn t the answer |
| 18:07.38 | Khertan_n810 | nope |
| 18:07.51 | Khertan_n810 | i just ask in case as i was disconnected |
| 18:07.57 | RST38h | what's the problem with treeview? |
| 18:08.37 | Khertan_n810 | i have bg color between column |
| 18:08.43 | Khertan_n810 | hum |
| 18:08.48 | Khertan_n810 | i have bg color set |
| 18:09.03 | RST38h | ok, a moment |
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| 18:10.19 | Khertan_n810 | rahhh ! orange sucks ! |
| 18:10.25 | Khertan_n810 | back again |
| 18:10.36 | lcuk | heh Khertan_n810 |
| 18:10.52 | RST38h | gtk_tree_view_set_vadjustment |
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| 18:11.45 | Khertan_n810 | grrrr |
| 18:12.07 | RST38h | gtk_tree_view_set_vadjustment |
| 18:12.07 | Khertan_n810 | will make a murder ! |
| 18:12.15 | Khertan_n810 | really ? |
| 18:12.34 | RST38h | Khertan: do use the killdozer |
| 18:12.53 | lcuk | killdozer, is that a decepticon? |
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| 18:13.37 | Khertan_n810 | RST38h: i ll try ... thx |
| 18:14.02 | RST38h | lcuk: No, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer |
| 18:15.29 | RST38h | also gtk_tree_view_set_fixed_height_mode |
| 18:16.12 | Khertan_n810 | i ve already fixed heigh :) |
| 18:16.36 | Khertan_n810 | all this thing just to do rubber banding due to stupid maemo theme |
| 18:16.52 | RST38h | ah |
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| 18:19.04 | Khertan_n810 | and some other color background in some case |
| 18:20.25 | Khertan_n810 | hum |
| 18:20.33 | Khertan_n810 | this doesn t resolv my problem |
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| 18:21.03 | RST38h | Still different color between the rows? |
| 18:21.11 | Khertan_n810 | nor vadjustment, nor hadjusment |
| 18:21.26 | Khertan_n810 | not between the ... between the columns |
| 18:21.31 | RST38h | oh, ok |
| 18:21.37 | Khertan_n810 | i ll post a screenshot so you can see |
| 18:21.39 | RST38h | this is different then |
| 18:21.43 | RST38h | yes please |
| 18:23.07 | RST38h | btw, should I install roxterm? How is it better than the osso xterm? |
| 18:23.31 | qwerty12 | RST38h, it isn't really tbh |
| 18:24.11 | rdorsch | Is anybody using maemo-mapper_2.5-os2008 on diablo (not 2.4.1 or 2.5.1) ? |
| 18:24.49 | rdorsch | If yes, does it work? If yes, can you send me your output of "ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper"? |
| 18:25.52 | lcuk | RST38h, holy ship! that killdozer is mental |
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| 18:26.02 | Khertan_n810 | RST38H:http://khertan.net/dotclear/index.php?pages/mTasks |
| 18:26.10 | Khertan_n810 | sorry upload was a bit slow |
| 18:26.14 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea, it is a nice story |
| 18:26.21 | RST38h | lcuk: Got the following too |
| 18:26.45 | RST38h | Khertan: How about http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/gtk+2.0-2.10.12/libgtk2.0/GtkTreeView.html#gtk-tree-view-set-grid-lines ? |
| 18:27.18 | RST38h | Khertan: this is the main site URL not an image |
| 18:27.20 | Khertan_n810 | this is worse as ... line is not draw for CellRendererToggle |
| 18:27.26 | RST38h | ok |
| 18:27.29 | Khertan_n810 | look at the page mtasks |
| 18:27.31 | RST38h | next idea... |
| 18:27.57 | RST38h | yea I see it |
| 18:28.11 | Khertan_n810 | (i ve found how to set the bg color of the Toggle but i ve also this blank separator) |
| 18:28.34 | RST38h | It MAY be a separator |
| 18:28.43 | RST38h | Are you sure it is not a separator? |
| 18:29.05 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... i don t create one |
| 18:29.14 | Khertan_n810 | so i don t think it s |
| 18:29.27 | Khertan_n810 | i think the first time it was a border size |
| 18:29.43 | Khertan_n810 | but there is any for TreeViewColumn |
| 18:29.57 | Khertan_n810 | doesn t seems to be spacing too |
| 18:30.12 | Khertan_n810 | as set_spacing(0) do not remove it |
| 18:30.40 | Khertan_n810 | the two first column is fixed width but not the third |
| 18:30.56 | Khertan_n810 | grid_line is set to False |
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| 18:31.50 | Khertan_n810 | height is fixed too |
| 18:32.00 | RST38h | How about http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/gtk+2.0-2.10.12/libgtk2.0/GtkTreeViewColumn.html#gtk-tree-view-column-set-spacing ? |
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| 18:34.24 | Khertgan_again | ... |
| 18:34.27 | Khertgan_again | already try |
| 18:34.30 | Khertgan_again | i ve fixed it to 0 on each column |
| 18:34.39 | Khertgan_again | other idea ? |
| 18:34.45 | Khertgan_again | as i don t have anymore |
| 18:34.51 | RST38h | is at loss |
| 18:35.10 | RST38h | Maybe this is how it SHOULD be? Have you checked other GTK+ apps? |
| 18:35.21 | Khertgan_again | maybe modify silently gtkrc theme at install |
| 18:35.30 | rdorsch | Does anybody know why the install file on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper/ still points to chinnok? Is that intended? |
| 18:36.03 | RST38h | I think I found it. |
| 18:36.12 | Khertgan_again | RST38h: i don t think as the size of the space is different between col 1-2 and col 2-3 |
| 18:36.18 | RST38h | Khertan: I found it |
| 18:36.22 | Khertgan_again | ? |
| 18:36.28 | RST38h | The "horizontal-separator" style property |
| 18:36.35 | RST38h | on the GtkTreeView |
| 18:36.47 | Khertgan_again | want to believe |
| 18:40.02 | Khertgan_again | hum |
| 18:40.09 | Khertgan_again | how do u set it ? |
| 18:40.14 | Khertgan_again | it s read only |
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| 18:44.28 | Khertgan_again | maybe i should stop coding ... i m tired and don t do anything good |
| 18:46.41 | Stskeeps | it's friday, go for the beer |
| 18:46.48 | Stskeeps | when you're done with the hungover, you're good to go again |
| 18:48.03 | Khertgan_again | why does this property is read only in python and read and write in gtkmm |
| 18:48.04 | Khertgan_again | grrr |
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| 18:49.25 | lcuk | Stskeeps, if i had a drink everytime you mentioned beer today i would be very drunk. planning a party tonight or something? |
| 18:51.01 | Khertgan_again | hum ... i ll stop coding ... this thing ll make me bad ... |
| 18:51.08 | Khertgan_again | thx for help ! |
| 18:51.09 | Khertgan_again | bye |
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| 18:54.19 | RST38h | heh |
| 19:02.37 | Stskeeps | lcuk: nah, relaxing evening |
| 19:03.08 | zs | how can i detect keyboard events? I want to do something when keyboard button A is pressed on N810 |
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| 19:06.52 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: >_> |
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| 19:07.40 | rm_you | i'm double-scheduled for pretty much every hour of my day for the next week. >_< periodically triple-scheduled |
| 19:07.46 | rm_you | this sucks so hard |
| 19:08.00 | rm_you | I can't wait till winter break <_< |
| 19:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:08.33 | GeneralAntilles | Poor rm_you |
| 19:08.34 | rm_you | this is the one major reason that i'd rather be working for a living vs. being a student |
| 19:08.43 | rm_you | at your job, you can GO HOME |
| 19:08.58 | rm_you | at school, they can make you work 36 hours a day if they feel like it |
| 19:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | Did you see adv-power? |
| 19:09.33 | rm_you | no |
| 19:09.35 | rm_you | is it neat? |
| 19:09.42 | RST38h | rm_me |
| 19:09.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's off to a good start. |
| 19:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Python right now, but he wants to switch to C. |
| 19:10.10 | RST38h | rm_you: it will end sooner or later |
| 19:10.21 | RST38h | and the worst thing is, YOU WILL MISS IT |
| 19:10.45 | rm_you | <_< |
| 19:10.47 | rm_you | probably |
| 19:10.53 | rm_you | but at least i'll have actual free time |
| 19:11.25 | rm_you | like... when i go home, even if it isn't until 8pm or so, i'll BE ABLE TO DO THINGS without worrying about what I have to turn in for the morning |
| 19:11.40 | rm_you | i'll be sad about losing the community tho :( |
| 19:11.50 | rm_you | though I don't get to do much with people these days anyway |
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| 19:11.54 | RST38h | free time? no, not really |
| 19:11.56 | rm_you | summers off is nice |
| 19:12.04 | rm_you | do you do work at home? :/ |
| 19:12.11 | RST38h | + you will be brainfucked by the management daily |
| 19:12.27 | RST38h | works any moment he isn't babysitting |
| 19:12.38 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I wish I could have done backlight in python :P i would have known what the hell i was doing |
| 19:12.43 | rm_you | better in C tho, in the long run |
| 19:12.48 | rm_you | and hey, I learned some C :P |
| 19:14.21 | rm_you | aww, we aren't on the top anymore :() |
| 19:14.22 | rm_you | :( |
| 19:14.26 | lcuk | rm_you, you have been replaced |
| 19:14.32 | rm_you | truth |
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| 19:15.04 | lcuk | heh how u doin |
| 19:15.14 | rm_you | that happens when you have to essentially leave the community for months at a time <_< |
| 19:15.24 | rm_you | lcuk: my life is hell right now :) |
| 19:15.27 | rm_you | thanks for asking |
| 19:15.28 | rm_you | yourself? |
| 19:15.32 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, make an update to bklight to reclaim the number one spot :P |
| 19:15.35 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 19:15.57 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:16.01 | lcuk | adv-backlight-cpu-power-rotation-lock |
| 19:16.02 | rm_you | we have an update to push |
| 19:16.03 | rm_you | actually |
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| 19:16.16 | rm_you | i just haven't >_> |
| 19:16.24 | rm_you | a deblet compatibility fix |
| 19:16.33 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, great, when will I see it in liqbase? :P |
| 19:16.33 | rm_you | and something jott did, i forget what exactly |
| 19:16.58 | lcuk | i dropped it in last week ;) |
| 19:17.04 | rm_you | where is adv-power? |
| 19:17.07 | lcuk | rm_you, you never actually saw my brightness applet did you |
| 19:17.09 | GeneralAntilles | itT |
| 19:17.10 | rm_you | i want to see it :P |
| 19:17.13 | rm_you | lcuk: no >_> |
| 19:17.15 | lcuk | we have the advanced power |
| 19:17.23 | woglinde | hm |
| 19:17.24 | rm_you | i know |
| 19:17.27 | rm_you | like, literally, link? |
| 19:17.28 | woglinde | time for a beer |
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| 19:18.17 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_235650.gary.scr.png |
| 19:18.17 | rm_you | roflcopter |
| 19:18.18 | rm_you | so |
| 19:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 |
| 19:18.18 | rm_you | how could that possibly work <_< |
| 19:18.27 | lcuk | you click on it and the brightness changes.. |
| 19:18.27 | rm_you | it's relative! >_< |
| 19:18.27 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, 0_o |
| 19:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, johnx decided liqbase now == emacs. ;) |
| 19:18.30 | lcuk | surprisingly |
| 19:18.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:18.41 | rm_you | johnx == correct |
| 19:19.16 | rm_you | fennec alpha 1? |
| 19:19.22 | rm_you | weren't we already all trying it? |
| 19:19.28 | rm_you | was it in pre-alpha? |
| 19:19.32 | lcuk | :) actually GeneralAntilles its not now - i culled a lot of stuff |
| 19:19.33 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081110_201702.gary.scr.png |
| 19:20.12 | lcuk | removed crufty test and has started a clean build :) |
| 19:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, yeah, it just hit a real alpho |
| 19:20.18 | rm_you | hrm |
| 19:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | s/alpho/alpha/ |
| 19:20.22 | GeneralAntilles | Still slow, though. |
| 19:20.24 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: link to adv-power? |
| 19:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | scrollback |
| 19:20.39 | rm_you | ah |
| 19:20.40 | rm_you | missed it |
| 19:20.45 | lcuk | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 it started off bein called pybattery |
| 19:20.52 | rm_you | ah |
| 19:20.56 | lcuk | but someone *cough* gen *cough* thought adv-power would be better |
| 19:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | I convinced him that latching on to our existing brand recognition would be good for everybody. |
| 19:21.30 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:21.33 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you hadnt seen the brightness thingy? |
| 19:23.22 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, not 'till now |
| 19:23.37 | rm_you | I agree |
| 19:23.39 | rm_you | err |
| 19:23.42 | rm_you | I agree with GeneralAntilles |
| 19:23.50 | RST38h | rm_you: port pybattery to c! |
| 19:23.57 | rm_you | getting together a suite of open source alternative utilities is a good idea |
| 19:24.06 | rm_you | and a unifying name is good |
| 19:24.10 | rm_you | blegh |
| 19:24.12 | rm_you | i hate C |
| 19:24.16 | RST38h | ok, C++ |
| 19:24.22 | rm_you | and i have negative amounts of time |
| 19:24.27 | rm_you | like i said, already double-booked |
| 19:24.31 | RST38h | poor rm_you... |
| 19:24.35 | rm_you | i'm talking to you guys instead of eating lunch <_< |
| 19:24.45 | lcuk | rm_you, ahhhh if time is your problem, write your GUI apps in assembler, they will run faster than naything |
| 19:24.46 | RST38h | Lunch is overrated |
| 19:24.51 | rm_you | lol lcuk |
| 19:24.53 | RST38h | What are you majoring in anyway? |
| 19:24.57 | rm_you | Computer Science |
| 19:24.58 | lcuk | timewasting |
| 19:25.12 | rm_you | i finished with the major in 2.5 years |
| 19:25.16 | Stskeeps | thinks there's actually quite a neat bunch of open source replacements |
| 19:25.20 | RST38h | rm_you: Still going through general electives then? |
| 19:25.27 | rm_you | now i have a bunch of liberal arts shit to take care of, yes |
| 19:25.33 | Stskeeps | battery applet, MCE (powerlaunch), battery applet.. |
| 19:25.35 | RST38h | oh, that stuff sucks |
| 19:25.38 | rm_you | none of which i give a &$@* about |
| 19:25.47 | rm_you | and all of which require a ridiculous amount of work |
| 19:25.50 | RST38h | rm_you: stick to history classes. NEVER take women studies. |
| 19:25.54 | rm_you | and not just like... generic whenever work |
| 19:25.55 | rm_you | like |
| 19:25.58 | rm_you | they require me to BE places |
| 19:26.03 | rm_you | for specific amounts of hours |
| 19:26.09 | RST38h | rm_you: what kind of class is that? |
| 19:26.16 | woglinde | RST38h he in women studies are women |
| 19:26.20 | rm_you | mostly drama stuff |
| 19:26.31 | RST38h | rm_you: Well, you have made a wrong choice then. |
| 19:26.31 | rm_you | production techniques (set building, essentially) |
| 19:26.33 | lcuk | what would be nice is to have a profile based system which knows what to do if you in combinations of Charging/Locked/online etc |
| 19:26.40 | rm_you | requires me to be in the studio for a certain amount of hours |
| 19:26.59 | rm_you | and i'm required to work backstage on the theater productions |
| 19:26.59 | rm_you | so |
| 19:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Harmattan |
| 19:27.10 | rm_you | that's like... 5 hours a day |
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| 19:27.18 | rm_you | during my nights |
| 19:27.21 | rm_you | 6pm-11pm |
| 19:27.27 | lcuk | no GeneralAntilles, harmattan is however many years away |
| 19:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | More like year |
| 19:27.42 | rm_you | and i have work |
| 19:27.55 | lcuk | there is motivation now for these sorts of things |
| 19:28.05 | rm_you | during the same hours i have to be: A) helping work on the play, B) working in the scene shop |
| 19:28.13 | lcuk | whether rm_you gets off his arse and does it is another matter :P |
| 19:28.20 | rm_you | >_> |
| 19:28.24 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:28.29 | rm_you | I have to leave in like... soon, but |
| 19:28.34 | rm_you | yeah.... hopefully i'll have like |
| 19:28.34 | lcuk | raises a glass |
| 19:28.38 | GeneralAntilles | Fuckin' lazy bastard. |
| 19:28.42 | rm_you | 1-2 days free over thanksgiving break |
| 19:28.42 | woglinde | lol |
| 19:28.52 | rm_you | and then winter break should give me a week or two |
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| 19:29.12 | lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles the more i see rm_yous schedule the more i think harmattan wait isnt so long |
| 19:29.25 | rm_you | actually, going to germany for the summit kind of didn't help |
| 19:29.33 | rm_you | cause i started off a week behind in all my classes |
| 19:29.54 | lcuk | but it was worth it to fall asleep in the c-base time machine toilets |
| 19:29.55 | rm_you | definitely worth it tho :P |
| 19:30.00 | rm_you | rofl |
| 19:30.01 | rm_you | yes |
| 19:30.15 | rm_you | and then black out at a mcdonalds :P |
| 19:30.24 | rm_you | actually what order were those things in |
| 19:30.33 | rm_you | i really don't actually recall much of that :P |
| 19:30.36 | lcuk | we woke you to go i think |
| 19:30.52 | RST38h | rm_you: here is a little hint |
| 19:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 19:30.58 | rm_you | all i remember is: C-Base... McDonalds ... home somehow |
| 19:31.03 | woglinde | lol |
| 19:31.09 | RST38h | rm_you: Never take libart classes that require you to do stuff, especially in groups |
| 19:31.15 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:31.17 | rm_you | like |
| 19:31.26 | rm_you | i would just say fuck it, and not even go to some of that stuff |
| 19:31.31 | RST38h | rm_you: pure disaster, especially considering that americans don't work well in random groups |
| 19:31.35 | rm_you | except like... they play would seriously FAIL if i skipped |
| 19:31.55 | rm_you | cause i'm responsible for a bunch of the scene change stuff |
| 19:31.55 | RST38h | rm_you: take US history - it isn't very elaborate, although you will have to read a lot |
| 19:32.01 | rm_you | blegh |
| 19:32.17 | rm_you | history classes make me want to stab myself in the eyes and ears with silverware |
| 19:32.21 | RST38h | rm_you: jewish studies are fine, especially if you get a few hasidic jews in the class |
| 19:32.50 | RST38h | rm_you: well, suffer but persevere: they give you better chance of success and they are less trouble |
| 19:32.56 | woglinde | so now is really time for a beer |
| 19:33.42 | rm_you | next semester: Game Design Seminar, German 2, Statistics, Peoples of Russia, possibly Beginning Digital Photography |
| 19:33.44 | RST38h | rm_you: you CAN take ancient English literature if you are good with languages. Do keep in mind that 90% of the class won't be able to understand what they read at least until Francis Bacon |
| 19:33.45 | rm_you | should be MUCH easier |
| 19:33.55 | RST38h | German - no |
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| 19:33.58 | lcuk | mmmmmm bacon |
| 19:33.58 | woglinde | rm_you nice you are learning german |
| 19:34.07 | RST38h | Statistics - I thought you should have taken that already? |
| 19:34.10 | rm_you | i specifically designed me schedule to have some slacker classes |
| 19:34.12 | rm_you | I did |
| 19:34.15 | rm_you | and withdrew |
| 19:34.17 | rm_you | >_> |
| 19:34.25 | rm_you | i'm not a math person |
| 19:34.54 | woglinde | with math you are a better coder |
| 19:34.57 | woglinde | trzst me |
| 19:35.01 | woglinde | uos trust |
| 19:35.01 | rm_you | well |
| 19:35.10 | RST38h | woglinde: We are not talking advancement here |
| 19:35.19 | woglinde | otherwise you never will understanding cryptpgraphics |
| 19:35.23 | RST38h | We are talking how to pass goddamn general electives without killing oneself |
| 19:35.30 | rm_you | i'm a better coder now than... well, this may be ego talking, or not, but... i THINK i'm a better coder than pretty much anyone else in the department |
| 19:35.47 | rm_you | and a lot of them know crazy math |
| 19:35.51 | RST38h | rm_you: It is OK to take environmental studies but make sure the class it tought by a real chemist or physicists |
| 19:35.53 | woglinde | rst as minor I toook social education haha |
| 19:35.53 | lcuk | you have something that they wont have |
| 19:36.00 | RST38h | woglinde: Bleah |
| 19:36.04 | RST38h | took Math as a minor |
| 19:36.04 | lcuk | real world experience with dealing with requests and bugs from users |
| 19:36.08 | lcuk | adaptability |
| 19:36.11 | woglinde | rst 90% women |
| 19:36.12 | woglinde | haha |
| 19:36.15 | woglinde | nice women |
| 19:36.21 | RST38h | wogline: yes, it is no better than women studies |
| 19:36.28 | rm_you | also, I do this for fun |
| 19:36.30 | RST38h | or dietology |
| 19:36.38 | rm_you | 95% of them don't code outside of classes |
| 19:36.39 | lcuk | i would only date a whole woman, 100% of nothing |
| 19:36.46 | mgedmin | still had no idea what 'women studies' are |
| 19:36.47 | lcuk | 100% or nothing even |
| 19:36.51 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:36.59 | mgedmin | imagines a room full of adolescents studying a woman |
| 19:37.01 | woglinde | mgedmin litrature |
| 19:37.08 | rm_you | i'm doing Drama as a minor |
| 19:37.09 | lcuk | mgedmin, whats wrong with that? |
| 19:37.12 | rm_you | because i'm insane, i think |
| 19:37.19 | lcuk | passed with flying colours |
| 19:37.22 | RST38h | mgedmin: imagine a room full of adolescent women studying male chauvinism |
| 19:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 19:37.32 | RST38h | mgedmin: now, RUn FOR THE HILLS |
| 19:37.43 | woglinde | rst in the us this bad it is? |
| 19:37.46 | lcuk | mmmmmmmm boobies |
| 19:37.51 | lcuk | who mentioned hills? |
| 19:37.55 | RST38h | woglinde: in THIS sense - yes |
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| 19:38.16 | woglinde | re meiz |
| 19:38.19 | RST38h | woglinde: But in general a university is a better place, you can always find people like yourself there |
| 19:39.06 | woglinde | rst in the u.s. this diffrent form europe |
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| 19:39.15 | RST38h | woglinde: really? |
| 19:39.16 | woglinde | because most is taking part in the campus |
| 19:39.34 | Guysoft422 | i have xchat here |
| 19:39.41 | woglinde | here univeristy is rather like doing a job |
| 19:39.51 | woglinde | go there early and leave late |
| 19:40.05 | woglinde | or not going there at all |
| 19:40.05 | RST38h | woglinde: same in the US unless you are not studying |
| 19:40.09 | Guysoft422 | ah , worng channel :-s |
| 19:40.37 | RST38h | woglinde: but you can still find intelligent people there who can be reasoned with |
| 19:40.42 | rm_you | also, i run two student organizations <_< |
| 19:40.49 | woglinde | rm_you baalalahaa |
| 19:40.50 | rm_you | that doesn't help |
| 19:41.04 | lcuk | rm_you, take a class in knowing your limits |
| 19:41.05 | woglinde | what type of organizations? |
| 19:41.12 | RST38h | woglinde: once you leave the university, it is dog eats dog, and rather often both canines are rabid |
| 19:41.13 | rm_you | local chapter of the ACM |
| 19:41.15 | lcuk | it runs 9 times a week for 6 hours a session |
| 19:41.20 | rm_you | and... anime club :P |
| 19:41.26 | woglinde | hehe |
| 19:41.35 | woglinde | anime club woth women? |
| 19:41.50 | rm_you | actually, like 75% of our members are female |
| 19:42.04 | woglinde | this sounds good |
| 19:42.12 | rm_you | doesn't need to have taken a statistics class to figure that out! |
| 19:42.16 | RST38h | rm_you: ACm or anime? |
| 19:42.20 | rm_you | Anime |
| 19:42.21 | rm_you | ACM is... |
| 19:42.24 | RST38h | hehe |
| 19:42.27 | rm_you | 90% male |
| 19:42.30 | rm_you | 95% |
| 19:42.34 | Stskeeps | 99% |
| 19:42.37 | Stskeeps | :p |
| 19:42.39 | rm_you | >_> |
| 19:42.39 | lcuk | 110% |
| 19:42.44 | rm_you | yeah ok... so we have ONE |
| 19:42.52 | rm_you | ONE female |
| 19:42.55 | RST38h | incredible |
| 19:42.56 | lcuk | and has she always been a woman |
| 19:43.06 | rm_you | and i dont think she'd show up if her boyfriend weren't an officer >_> |
| 19:43.08 | RST38h | actually had more females in the CS classes |
| 19:43.17 | GeneralAntilles | finds the strange reactions to application lists bizarre. |
| 19:43.31 | RST38h | Even got accused of sexual harassment once |
| 19:43.32 | rm_you | yeah, our CS department is 95% male |
| 19:43.49 | woglinde | CS? |
| 19:43.57 | rm_you | but our campus overall is like 60% female |
| 19:43.57 | lcuk | counter strike |
| 19:44.01 | rm_you | Computer Science |
| 19:44.01 | RST38h | Had to explain that by selectively harassing women only an instructor reduces the amount of people he can harass by 50% |
| 19:44.04 | woglinde | lcuk bah suckz |
| 19:44.05 | RST38h | Bad, BAD idea |
| 19:44.38 | woglinde | rst its past |
| 19:44.43 | woglinde | dont worry anymore |
| 19:44.45 | rm_you | RST38h: that is... lol |
| 19:45.52 | lcuk | ok rm_you, you have just extensively run over all the things you do on a monday mornin in uni, what about the rest fo the week |
| 19:46.27 | rm_you | lol? |
| 19:46.37 | woglinde | lol |
| 19:47.08 | Stskeeps | oh, neat, docpurge -is- actually gpl |
| 19:47.14 | RST38h | I am sure he is making make-believe coffins for the drama class the rest of the week =) |
| 19:47.36 | rm_you | that's my schedule for pretty much EVERY day |
| 19:47.37 | RST38h | For the cemetery scene, you know |
| 19:47.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, come on, it's not exactly hard to make a clone :P |
| 19:47.59 | rm_you | there is a sort of cemetary scene <_< but you don't see anything :P |
| 19:48.16 | RST38h | ehhh |
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| 19:48.25 | lcuk | thats cos cemetaries are always in darkness |
| 19:48.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i know, but i was just curious. in the big spreadsheet it says nokia closed |
| 19:48.37 | lcuk | its ALWAYS midnight in every cemetary |
| 19:49.01 | rm_you | oh, it's at like... 6pm |
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| 19:49.09 | rm_you | but the graves are actually slightly offstage |
| 19:49.27 | woglinde | hm whats cemetary, sorry for asking |
| 19:49.28 | rm_you | because otherwise we'd have to make a LOT of headstones |
| 19:49.32 | Stskeeps | woglinde: graveyard |
| 19:49.34 | rm_you | because every night he smashes four of them |
| 19:49.35 | woglinde | ah |
| 19:49.35 | woglinde | okay |
| 19:50.03 | woglinde | thanks srs |
| 19:50.07 | woglinde | ups stskeep |
| 19:50.21 | Stskeeps | sts, please |
| 19:50.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:50.51 | rm_you | any johnx's about? |
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| 19:50.59 | rm_you | looks around for a spare johnx or two |
| 19:53.58 | Stskeeps | think he went to bed while his hildon-desktop compiles |
| 19:55.24 | rm_you | hrm ok well |
| 19:55.25 | rm_you | ACK |
| 19:55.31 | rm_you | holy crap it's late |
| 19:55.35 | rm_you | i gotta run |
| 19:55.36 | rm_you | ttyl |
| 19:55.39 | rm_you | leaves for a week |
| 19:55.41 | woglinde | bye rm_you |
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| 19:58.04 | RST38h | all right, time to update Sliderule |
| 19:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, maemo-users, how we love you. |
| 19:58.34 | RST38h | more crazy people? |
| 19:58.48 | GeneralAntilles | Another Mark Haury® thread. |
| 19:59.09 | RST38h | ah |
| 20:00.31 | RST38h | not really crazy though, no fun |
| 20:01.07 | GeneralAntilles | Give it time. |
| 20:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, does GPLv2 work for you for your translation? |
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| 20:02.58 | RST38h | GAN: Yes, I do not care |
| 20:03.03 | RST38h | It is a dozen of words. |
| 20:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | Cool, thanks. ;) |
| 20:03.10 | RST38h | "FIRESTRIKE is a solid-state laser (think raygun), which weighs 400 pounds, has an Ethernet interface, and can be chained together with up to 7 other identical modules to create a 100 kw beam." |
| 20:03.37 | RST38h | [translation: you should start scanning the internet for these right now =)] |
| 20:04.33 | Stskeeps | if i had a fenced garden, i would probably get one |
| 20:04.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:05.14 | RST38h | need at least four - one for each corner |
| 20:05.41 | lcuk | and a manufactured diamond to focus and merge the beams without actually ending the universe |
| 20:05.46 | RST38h | and a real doomsday weapon to place into the central cave |
| 20:06.09 | lcuk | would you have a big red button (TM) to activate it? |
| 20:06.19 | lcuk | and if you did, who would you have to voice the countdown? |
| 20:07.30 | RST38h | it is controllable over ethernet |
| 20:07.39 | lcuk | haxx0rs? |
| 20:07.44 | RST38h | so, once you know the right IP addresses... |
| 20:07.59 | lcuk | or do you have microsoft one care live to protect it |
| 20:08.21 | lcuk | oh, you havent actually got one? |
| 20:08.57 | RST38h | at least not yet... |
| 20:13.20 | lcuk | ahhh phoey |
| 20:15.53 | Stskeeps | heh, armv6-vfp certainly makes a difference |
| 20:16.07 | Stskeeps | apt-get install isn't dog slow at loading dependancy graph |
| 20:17.03 | qwerty12h8r | Stskeeps, i built dpkg, apt-get & h-a-m for maemo with armv6-vfp, works good for me too :p |
| 20:17.21 | lcuk | Stskeeps, which is which then - i gather the default compile mode is thumb and using emulated floating point math |
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| 20:18.31 | Stskeeps | waits for today's flash count |
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| 20:22.18 | Stskeeps | aand the verdict is in. in 101 mb flash you can fit, amongst a armv6-vfp ubuntu, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/101mb.txt |
| 20:23.31 | Meiz_n810 | Pretty good |
| 20:24.09 | lcuk | sts, is that a valid desktop |
| 20:24.13 | woglinde | canonical and arm wants to build a special ubuntu version for arm powered netbooks |
| 20:24.24 | Stskeeps | woglinde: old news, and it will suck as much power as deblet on a tablet |
| 20:24.35 | Stskeeps | lcuk: it will boot into console and it has a X server and can run X apps |
| 20:24.40 | lcuk | xv apps? |
| 20:24.40 | woglinde | Stskeeps pffffffffffffff |
| 20:24.56 | Stskeeps | and full GTK, hildon, osso, etc libraries |
| 20:25.03 | lcuk | libxv1 |
| 20:25.07 | lcuk | ooooooh |
| 20:25.08 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm not sure how good the xv is in the version we use, but i guess so |
| 20:25.29 | lcuk | i gotta get me a usb asap |
| 20:25.45 | Stskeeps | heh, this will boot from a sd card |
| 20:25.46 | Stskeeps | .. i think |
| 20:25.49 | Stskeeps | should actually try, hmm :P |
| 20:26.44 | qwerty12h8r | lcuk, still using bora? :P |
| 20:26.58 | lcuk | yeah, still have no usb |
| 20:27.29 | qwerty12h8r | wire up the serial port :P |
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| 20:27.42 | Stskeeps | .. you know you're a alternative OS hacker for the tablets when you keep long nails to be able to pop the battery easier.. :P |
| 20:27.56 | woglinde | hahahaaa |
| 20:27.57 | lcuk | n810 battery falls out |
| 20:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, tap it on your palm. . . . |
| 20:28.28 | lcuk | you just pop the metal and hear a metal CLANG! THUD as the cover hits the stand followed by battery and then onto desk |
| 20:28.40 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:28.44 | qwerty12h8r | Stskeeps, i'm happy to say i used a knife long enough on the tablet battery to be able to use short fingernails |
| 20:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | You guys are nuts |
| 20:29.04 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, just tap the damn thing on your palm once or twice |
| 20:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | comes right out. |
| 20:29.19 | lcuk | i could barely get the 800 battery out, it was like the time i slept between 2 buxom ladies |
| 20:29.25 | ShadowJK_ | I cut and folded some battery to put around the N810 battery so that it wouldn't rattle inside... |
| 20:29.26 | Stskeeps | hm, not on my n800 :P |
| 20:29.40 | ShadowJK_ | some paper* |
| 20:29.43 | lcuk | though i dont think the battery actually gasps "let me out i cant breathe" |
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| 20:29.48 | lcuk | hmm maybe i shouldnt use that analogy |
| 20:29.59 | qwerty12h8r | lcuk, you can feel what's happening in your dreams? |
| 20:30.04 | Stskeeps | woo, it boots too. though i haven't seen that console font before.. |
| 20:31.51 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'm updating the m-r.tar.gz installer script |
| 20:32.12 | Meiz_n810 | great :) |
| 20:32.13 | Stskeeps | .. once my tablet has booted again |
| 20:32.20 | Stskeeps | it requires deblet installer installed though |
| 20:32.29 | Meiz_n810 | i have it |
| 20:32.30 | Stskeeps | and your fs mounted in /mnt/deblet, so |
| 20:32.32 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 20:33.22 | Stskeeps | is kinda amazed over the 101mb |
| 20:33.38 | Stskeeps | i was afraid we were going to hit some real hardship once the hildon and gtk libs started coming on |
| 20:34.13 | Meiz_n810 | Now i am debootstrapping because of that fucking segmentation fault error. m-r.tar.gz is armv6-vfp? |
| 20:34.15 | Stskeeps | admittedly we still lack a proper ui and features, but .. |
| 20:34.25 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: m-r.tar.gz is a debootstrap installer |
| 20:34.30 | Stskeeps | which sets things up right |
| 20:34.41 | Stskeeps | give me a couple of secs to update the |
| 20:34.42 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 20:34.43 | Stskeeps | tar.gz |
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| 20:36.22 | Stskeeps | updated |
| 20:36.27 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 20:37.08 | Stskeeps | read through the install_mr script to see what it does, atleast |
| 20:39.42 | Meiz_n810 | where is that tar.gz? |
| 20:40.23 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/m-r.tar.gz |
| 20:40.28 | Stskeeps | (noted it on jaiku :P) |
| 20:40.39 | Meiz_n810 | thanks |
| 20:43.15 | Stskeeps | do me a favour and see if rootfs is mounted rw or ro when it has booted |
| 20:44.13 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 20:44.37 | Stskeeps | wasn't gUPNP supposed to be part of fremantle instead? |
| 20:44.43 | Stskeeps | .. why is it in diablo updates then? |
| 20:45.50 | qwerty12_N800 | ain't complaining |
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| 20:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, isn't some of the stuff being pushed to Diablo for early testing? |
| 20:51.11 | Stskeeps | possibly |
| 20:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain that was the plan with Tracker, anyway. |
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| 20:51.52 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: your installer seems to work well |
| 20:52.07 | Stskeeps | k |
| 20:52.22 | Stskeeps | oh crap |
| 20:52.23 | Stskeeps | wait |
| 20:52.37 | Stskeeps | it isnt debootstrapping, is it? |
| 20:52.43 | Stskeeps | just think i gave you one that doesnt debootstrap :) |
| 20:52.54 | Meiz_n810 | i debootstrapped manually, so it just installs needed packages |
| 20:53.05 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:53.28 | Meiz_n810 | but i looked at the installer file, and it should debootstrap |
| 20:53.53 | Meiz_n810 | maybe it does not because i already have dont it |
| 20:53.57 | Meiz_n810 | *done |
| 20:54.06 | shapr | Is anyone using a 32GB SDHC card yet? |
| 20:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 20:54.46 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: updated tar.gz, it will debootstrap using my base system and all then |
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| 20:55.01 | shapr | GeneralAntilles: Is that, yes you are using a 32gb card? |
| 20:55.27 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: should i try it? |
| 20:55.33 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: .. wait :P |
| 20:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, not me personally, but plenty of people are. |
| 20:56.53 | GeneralAntilles | 2048GB cards will work without issue. |
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| 20:57.39 | Meiz_n810 | 2048 GB!! |
| 20:57.47 | Meiz_n810 | lot of space |
| 20:58.28 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yes, updated now |
| 20:58.40 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 20:58.58 | Stskeeps | testing if it works on my install too :P |
| 20:59.07 | Stskeeps | yep |
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| 21:04.16 | Meiz_n810_ | Debootstrapping now with your installer Stskeeps =P |
| 21:04.21 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:05.58 | Meiz_n810_ | i'll go to sleep now, i'll see if it has done what it should... |
| 21:06.24 | Stskeeps | nini |
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| 21:47.35 | lcuk | mm |
| 21:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | Aaah, redundancy, "neither Nokia nor maemo cares" |
| 21:49.46 | lcuk | Aaah, redundancy, "neither Nokia nor maemo cares" |
| 21:50.00 | GeneralAntilles | Is there are echo in here? |
| 21:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | s/are/an/ |
| 21:50.25 | qwerty12_N800 | Is there are echo in here? |
| 21:50.28 | qwerty12_N800 | s/are/an/ |
| 21:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently |
| 21:51.08 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm not sure where the border goes really |
| 21:51.11 | Stskeeps | wall of information, maybe |
| 21:51.16 | lcuk | bah! by copying your line i lost the block i was gonna write |
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| 21:51.32 | qwerty12_N800 | hahahhahaha |
| 21:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, "Maemo" is a mobile software platform |
| 21:52.05 | GeneralAntilles | as software platforms aren't yet intelligent, they don't particularly care about anything. ;) |
| 21:52.21 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Software is a division of Nokia. |
| 21:54.20 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping. |
| 21:57.33 | Stskeeps | oh, a qgil response to ubuntu/arm..*read* |
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| 21:58.49 | Stskeeps | hah, thought o |
| 21:58.50 | Stskeeps | so |
| 22:02.25 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i notice from your package lsit you include the c++ compiler, is it needed in the default build? |
| 22:02.43 | Stskeeps | cpp is a preprocessor |
| 22:02.45 | Stskeeps | not c++ :) |
| 22:03.12 | Stskeeps | i have no idea what needs it but .. |
| 22:03.31 | Stskeeps | cpp = c preprocessor :P |
| 22:03.33 | lcuk | you could hit a nice round 100mb though :P |
| 22:03.35 | lcuk | yeah i know |
| 22:04.06 | Stskeeps | worst part is i'm not really doing anything active for it |
| 22:04.13 | Stskeeps | it just dropped 10-20 mb cos of armv6 |
| 22:04.39 | lcuk | heh |
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| 22:10.32 | thomastp | Hi. Somehow the third option in my power key menu has gone, the one to work offline. Anyone know where I can re-enable it ? |
| 22:19.52 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, have you been keeping mental track of the bugs with lame WONTFIXes? |
| 22:35.38 | lcuk | awwwwwww |
| 22:35.38 | lcuk | thats norty, where do i file a bug |
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| 22:42.48 | L0cmini9 | a proposito |
| 22:42.50 | L0cmini9 | ops |
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| 23:11.35 | mgedmin | no way it's 1am already! |
| 23:13.38 | doc|home | it's always 1am somewhere |
| 23:13.50 | towo | It's only ten past midnight. Tch. :p |
| 23:16.44 | qwerty12_N800 | grumbles at having to remember to setup an uclibc target in sb so i can just compile strace for initfs |
| 23:17.29 | lcuk | i dont know whether to be happy or not that i kinda sorta understood what you said then qwerty12_N800 |
| 23:18.11 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P |
| 23:19.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: why not just follow-fork and use chroot? |
| 23:19.41 | lcuk | and then its gone |
| 23:20.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, strace built against glibc stracing an uclibc program isn't as accurate |
| 23:24.59 | Stskeeps | true |
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| 23:31.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: feel free to try out the m-r.tar.gz "installer".. it's at 106mb flash now |
| 23:31.08 | Stskeeps | we'll put it in svn eventually so we can cooperate on it |
| 23:31.38 | Stskeeps | bbl sleep *yawn* |
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