| 00:00.09 | nokia770fan | hello? |
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| 00:03.23 | jagernot | hi again; am here to (yet again) present my audio synth for comments/feedback/feature ideas |
| 00:03.37 | jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar |
| 00:03.42 | jagernot | its a box guitar for n810 |
| 00:04.00 | jagernot | screen: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png |
| 00:05.06 | jaska | thought it looked more like a low-res worms game |
| 00:05.35 | jaska | err, worm game.. not worms |
| 00:05.54 | jagernot | jaska: talking to me? |
| 00:06.21 | jaska | just thinking aloud really |
| 00:15.02 | bef0rd | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/say-hello-to-gmail-voice-and-video-chat.html |
| 00:15.20 | bef0rd | would that video chat thing work with a n810? |
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| 00:26.18 | johnx | bef0rd, nope |
| 00:27.29 | johnx | not even available for desktop linux :/ |
| 00:28.49 | bef0rd | oh, yea, but I mean, a video conversation between n810 builtin chat client, and a windows desktop? |
| 00:30.53 | johnx | only one way to find out :) |
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| 00:43.22 | disco_stu | is testing last.fm and he loves it |
| 00:43.35 | akshay_ | anyone know about battery life API calls? |
| 00:43.53 | akshay_ | I want to know the remaining battery life or energy used |
| 00:44.44 | GAN800 | disco_stu, Vagalume |
| 00:44.53 | johnx | akshay_, battery-status - http://nitapps.com |
| 00:44.54 | disco_stu | is better ? |
| 00:45.03 | johnx | vagalume is a last.fm client |
| 00:45.13 | GAN800 | Is a native application to play last.fm streams |
| 00:45.36 | disco_stu | ah |
| 00:45.43 | disco_stu | i was using canola 2 plugin |
| 00:45.51 | johnx | well that's good too |
| 00:46.15 | disco_stu | i have to go to eat cause my mom is yelling me |
| 00:46.18 | disco_stu | brb |
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| 00:47.42 | akshay_ | thanks |
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| 01:48.32 | johnx | ah, dependency hell. how I didn't miss you :/ |
| 01:54.40 | disco_stu_away | the hell.. last.fm is very nice |
| 02:03.08 | bef0rd | yes, yes it is |
| 02:04.40 | GAN800 | Hrm, guess I should mock up a decent looking UI for adv-power. ;) |
| 02:06.47 | disco_stu_away | i searched for ozzy osbourne, then i got a song |
| 02:06.53 | disco_stu_away | but the others were related |
| 02:07.10 | disco_stu_away | is there any way to listen just to an artist.. or that is the trick ? |
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| 02:48.56 | l7 | has anyone run into a problem where the n800 will get stuck in the bootup process? |
| 02:49.37 | johnx | lots of people I'm sure |
| 02:49.51 | l7 | my tablet gets all the way to the point where the progress bar finishes and then it freezes |
| 02:50.29 | l7 | hmm, any ideas on how i can fix it? |
| 02:50.32 | johnx | are you booting from sd? |
| 02:50.55 | l7 | unfortunately not |
| 02:51.31 | l7 | i have MyDocs symlinked to an external SD but never got around to setting up SD booting |
| 02:51.48 | johnx | well at least you have your files |
| 02:52.00 | l7 | tried boot both with the SD card in and out with no luck |
| 02:52.01 | johnx | I don't really know a simple way to fix the problem you're having |
| 02:52.14 | l7 | i can get into USB mode, so i'm considering reflashing |
| 02:52.23 | l7 | but the weird thing is that the tablet won't charge the battery |
| 02:52.50 | johnx | out of curiosity, try shutting down, unplugging, pulling the battery for 30 seconds then put it back together and try booting |
| 02:53.15 | johnx | it probably is charging, just not showing you the charging screen |
| 02:53.20 | l7 | yeah, i tried taking out the battery for about half an hour with no luck |
| 02:53.24 | l7 | hrm... |
| 02:54.00 | l7 | the thing with the charging is that it enters the first stage of the charging screen, but the battery icon is always half way full |
| 02:55.03 | l7 | even after 8 hours of charging |
| 02:55.06 | disco_stu_away | l7 |
| 02:55.07 | l7 | maybe it always does that though |
| 02:55.13 | disco_stu_away | power on the tablet |
| 02:55.25 | disco_stu_away | and when she is booting take the battery out |
| 02:55.30 | l7 | hmm |
| 02:55.37 | l7 | at what stage of the boot? |
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| 02:55.57 | disco_stu_away | you pick |
| 02:56.08 | johnx | disco_stu_away, how will that help? |
| 02:56.08 | l7 | what is this supposed to do? |
| 02:56.25 | l7 | does this reset some kind of bios or PRAM setting? |
| 02:56.31 | disco_stu_away | takin the battery out, will consume all the energy in the piezoelectric capacitors |
| 02:57.08 | l7 | won't leaving the battery out overnight do the same thing? |
| 02:57.19 | disco_stu_away | no |
| 02:57.23 | l7 | hrm |
| 02:57.35 | disco_stu_away | beacuse the cicuit is interrupted |
| 02:57.43 | l7 | i have pulled the battery out after the boot cycle got stuck |
| 02:57.44 | disco_stu_away | and charges remain still |
| 02:58.05 | l7 | about 5 or 6 times |
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| 03:02.42 | l7 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12651 same issue here, no answers |
| 03:03.28 | SmackPotat | about nvd_data from the gps how do i view the 8 bit values as text http://pastebin.ca/1254918 is what i want without the spaces and newiles actually starting a new line |
| 03:04.34 | l7 | oh yeah, can i access the n800 in USB mode to fix it's settings? |
| 03:05.34 | johnx | l7, not really. that depends on it being bootable |
| 03:05.58 | johnx | are you running linux on your desktop? |
| 03:06.06 | l7 | yeah, i have an ubuntu install |
| 03:06.10 | l7 | also a mac install |
| 03:06.51 | johnx | possibly I could make a backup of my initfs and you could try using the rescue mode in bootmenu to get a console |
| 03:07.10 | l7 | i can get into the USB mode used for flashing by pressing the home key |
| 03:07.12 | l7 | ah cool |
| 03:07.39 | disco_stu_away | flash it then |
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| 03:07.53 | l7 | eh, i don't know how much battery's left at this point |
| 03:07.58 | disco_stu_away | but you have to be sure the battery will have enough power |
| 03:08.13 | l7 | yeah that's the problem, i don't know if it's capable of charging |
| 03:08.22 | johnx | it's capable of charging |
| 03:08.29 | l7 | it *should* be, but i guess i need a second tablet to be sure |
| 03:08.37 | l7 | you're sure? |
| 03:08.45 | johnx | 90%+ :) |
| 03:08.51 | disco_stu_away | lol |
| 03:08.53 | l7 | then i should probably plug it in overnight and let it do it's thing |
| 03:09.00 | l7 | the charging screen is messed up |
| 03:09.07 | johnx | I think that's the case |
| 03:09.18 | disco_stu_away | 20 seconds of flashin wont consume that much power |
| 03:09.21 | johnx | flashing just an initfs is safe though, even if it runs out of power in the middle |
| 03:09.27 | l7 | it should display a battery icon that fills up in 3 or 4 stages |
| 03:09.39 | disco_stu_away | yes |
| 03:09.42 | l7 | but it just shows a half full battery and then a black screen |
| 03:10.21 | johnx | but it will charge even without linux running |
| 03:10.41 | l7 | have you noticed the device makes a very slight sound when charging? |
| 03:10.52 | johnx | most do I think |
| 03:11.05 | johnx | or are you asking me? |
| 03:11.11 | l7 | yeah |
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| 03:11.27 | l7 | normally i can hear the n800 as a rhymthic buzz on my stereo when it's connected on the same power strip |
| 03:11.36 | l7 | but i don't hear that buzz now |
| 03:11.54 | l7 | maybe it only causes a buzz when the device is booted into linux though, hard to say |
| 03:12.11 | l7 | i wish i had a second tablet to measure to battery charge |
| 03:12.11 | johnx | hmm...well that's slightly worrying, but it could also mean the battery is full and it's not charging |
| 03:12.37 | l7 | i think the device always goes into charge mode from my experience |
| 03:13.00 | l7 | i will say it's in charge mode for about an hour if you disconnect it after a full charge and plug it in again |
| 03:13.48 | disco_stu_away | my charger does a different sound when charging and not charging |
| 03:14.28 | johnx | n810 or n800? |
| 03:14.39 | l7 | johnx: n800 |
| 03:14.52 | johnx | great :) |
| 03:14.53 | l7 | unless you're asking disco_stu_away |
| 03:14.55 | johnx | running diablo? |
| 03:15.04 | l7 | are you asking me? |
| 03:15.09 | johnx | yes |
| 03:15.13 | disco_stu_away | no, mine does |
| 03:15.13 | l7 | is running diablo |
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| 03:15.33 | johnx | l7, just trying to figure out if I can make you a compatible initfs to flash :) |
| 03:15.39 | l7 | maybe i'll put my ear next to the charger later, i haven't tried that yet |
| 03:15.41 | l7 | ah |
| 03:16.08 | l7 | is initfs a startup script for linux? |
| 03:16.36 | johnx | well, kind of. you can think about it that way |
| 03:17.26 | disco_stu | initfs is a file system image that holds the files needed to boot |
| 03:18.05 | l7 | hrm, and init is the daemon that executes the files in initfs then? |
| 03:18.27 | disco_stu | init is the father of all processes |
| 03:18.40 | disco_stu | when your computer boots init is executed |
| 03:18.57 | disco_stu | and in Linux, process are spawned in a process called fork |
| 03:19.12 | disco_stu | so when init wants to execute a program |
| 03:19.16 | disco_stu | it forks |
| 03:19.26 | disco_stu | so you will have init and one clone |
| 03:19.34 | disco_stu | then the clone makes a execl |
| 03:19.53 | disco_stu | where it mutates to the the binary you want to execute |
| 03:20.07 | disco_stu | and the you have two different programs running |
| 03:20.59 | disco_stu | so.. every program in your tablet has init as its ancestor |
| 03:21.08 | disco_stu | if you kill init your tablet dies |
| 03:21.23 | l7 | hrm, i never thought of it that way |
| 03:21.57 | l7 | i've seen a hierarcherical list of processes on the mac though |
| 03:21.58 | disco_stu | thats the way the kernel handles it |
| 03:22.07 | disco_stu | mac uses Linux kernel |
| 03:22.12 | disco_stu | works the same way |
| 03:22.16 | johnx | bsd actually, but close enough |
| 03:22.17 | l7 | it uses mach actually |
| 03:22.26 | disco_stu | is a fork |
| 03:22.33 | l7 | but yeah it's very similiar |
| 03:22.42 | johnx | well, bsd on mach |
| 03:22.45 | disco_stu | its a copy |
| 03:22.47 | disco_stu | :P |
| 03:22.58 | l7 | yeah |
| 03:22.59 | johnx | a copy of linux? o really? :P |
| 03:23.08 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:23.11 | l7 | heh |
| 03:23.16 | disco_stu | i hate mac |
| 03:23.29 | disco_stu | is for ladybugs and girlies |
| 03:23.33 | l7 | eh, i don't want to get into that debate |
| 03:23.37 | johnx | eh, they're perfectly nice machines if they work the way you want them to |
| 03:23.55 | johnx | waiting for initfs backup to finish |
| 03:24.03 | johnx | and finished |
| 03:24.09 | l7 | i like things and hate things about apple at various stages |
| 03:24.24 | disco_stu | johnx: why are you making that ? |
| 03:24.28 | l7 | i just like ubuntu though |
| 03:24.39 | johnx | disco_stu, for l7, so he can get to a rescue shell |
| 03:24.41 | disco_stu | he can ue the initfs of the original firmware image |
| 03:24.51 | disco_stu | s/ue/use/ |
| 03:25.02 | disco_stu | just flashing initfs |
| 03:25.16 | l7 | hmm |
| 03:25.21 | johnx | right, but the initfs he has doesn't have the rescue menu built in :) |
| 03:25.55 | disco_stu | thats a good one |
| 03:25.56 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:26.13 | l7 | johnx: this is because you're using boot from SD right? |
| 03:26.18 | johnx | right |
| 03:26.55 | l7 | too bad nokia doesn't include it in it's images |
| 03:27.36 | l7 | i guess it might confuse average tablet users, though i am convinced average tablet users are all geeks like us anyway |
| 03:27.44 | GAN800 | Bull |
| 03:27.47 | johnx | they really aren't :) |
| 03:27.51 | l7 | really? |
| 03:27.59 | johnx | read ITT for like 5 minutes |
| 03:28.07 | l7 | i mean i thought normal people would just buy an iphone or something |
| 03:28.28 | l7 | i guess it's good that the device has a broader appeal |
| 03:30.42 | johnx | ok, grab this: http://rapidshare.com/files/163258937/initfs.orig.jffs2.html |
| 03:30.53 | johnx | sorry about the rapidshare, no host right now :/ |
| 03:31.03 | johnx | note to self: get a new webhost |
| 03:31.29 | disco_stu | johnx: dont you have a public ip ? |
| 03:31.37 | johnx | disco_stu, nope |
| 03:31.43 | disco_stu | ok |
| 03:32.07 | disco_stu | i dont have one either :( |
| 03:32.10 | johnx | free inet connection at my apartment, but the whole building is behind one public IP |
| 03:32.19 | johnx | so I'm actually behind two NATs :/ |
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| 03:33.09 | johnx | l7, tell me when you have the file |
| 03:33.56 | disco_stu | is smashing stupid Tomcat |
| 03:34.15 | johnx | the web server or your pet? |
| 03:34.18 | l7 | by the way, mediafire.com has slightly nicer hosting than rapidshare |
| 03:34.36 | johnx | I'll use them in the future |
| 03:34.51 | l7 | yeah, they have no wait times, which is nice |
| 03:35.03 | l7 | cool, i have the file now |
| 03:35.11 | l7 | thanks for preparing it btw |
| 03:35.19 | johnx | sure, it was super easy :) |
| 03:35.23 | disco_stu | i download a file of about 700mb from a free hosting dont remeber the name |
| 03:35.23 | johnx | and you have the linux flasher already, right? |
| 03:35.40 | l7 | hrm, not yet |
| 03:35.40 | johnx | I'm just going to sign up with a new web host later today probably |
| 03:35.49 | l7 | last time i flashed i was still using windows |
| 03:35.54 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 03:36.02 | johnx | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 03:36.03 | l7 | is there a chance of bricking the tablet doing this? |
| 03:36.09 | johnx | nope |
| 03:36.20 | l7 | it could lose power though right? |
| 03:36.29 | johnx | even if it loses power, it won't matter |
| 03:36.32 | l7 | oh |
| 03:36.43 | johnx | we're flashing initfs. the flashing is done by the bootloader |
| 03:36.51 | l7 | oh |
| 03:36.53 | johnx | so if it fails, you just recharge and reflash again |
| 03:37.04 | l7 | trashing the bootloader is what bricks the tablet forever then? |
| 03:37.24 | GAN800 | Well, until you build a serial cable. |
| 03:37.33 | l7 | hrm |
| 03:37.35 | johnx | has it actually happened to anyone? |
| 03:37.49 | johnx | I don't want to say "it's never happened" but I've certainly never heard of it |
| 03:37.59 | l7 | dunno, GeneralAntilles was explaining how it could happen a while back |
| 03:38.03 | GAN800 | Nor have I |
| 03:38.21 | GAN800 | The probabilities are rather ridiculously low |
| 03:38.48 | GAN800 | Fuck GeneralAntilles. That guy's a stupid asshole. |
| 03:39.18 | johnx | yeah, next time, I'm voting GAN800 for community chair-man |
| 03:40.31 | disco_stu | what happened here ? |
| 03:40.32 | l7 | his explanation was pretty good compared to the other guy who was ranting about how you could brick your tablet |
| 03:40.52 | GAN800 | No, he sucks |
| 03:41.07 | disco_stu | what GeneralAntilles said is that you will brick your tablet if the power is lost while flasgin NOLO |
| 03:41.11 | GAN800 | I hope GeneralAntilles dies and goes to hell. |
| 03:41.16 | disco_stu | wich is a 5msec windows |
| 03:41.27 | disco_stu | GAN800: behave |
| 03:41.40 | l7 | disco_stu: yeah |
| 03:41.41 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is a very good person |
| 03:41.50 | disco_stu | he helped me a lot |
| 03:41.56 | l7 | man such acrimony in the OSS community isn't good |
| 03:41.59 | GAN800 | Pfft, he's a terrible person. |
| 03:42.05 | johnx | l7, so download an appropriate version of flasher-3.0 from that site and once you do, login as root on your desktop |
| 03:42.18 | l7 | linux is all about collaboration and sharing and love right? |
| 03:42.25 | l7 | well maybe not "love" |
| 03:42.33 | disco_stu | love ? |
| 03:42.38 | l7 | johnx: okay i'm switching to ubuntu |
| 03:42.42 | disco_stu | i think you mean geeks |
| 03:42.43 | l7 | sharing and collaboration though |
| 03:42.51 | l7 | yeah, geeks |
| 03:42.59 | l7 | epic geekery |
| 03:43.06 | disco_stu | thats right |
| 03:43.32 | johnx | well I can deinitely say that both GAN800 and GeneralAntilles are totally geeks. maybe it's some kind of alpha-geek competition :/ |
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| 03:44.35 | GAN800 | Ehehe, sorry, that was evil |
| 03:44.42 | GAN800 | is GeneralAntilles |
| 03:44.54 | GAN800 | GeneralAntillesN800 ;) |
| 03:45.42 | l7 | okay, i'm on the ubuntu box now |
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| 03:46.54 | l7 | hrm, do i want flasher-3.0? |
| 03:47.05 | l7 | or the static one? |
| 03:47.07 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:47.17 | johnx | if you're on ubuntu i386 just get flasher-3.0 |
| 03:47.29 | l7 | yeah, 32 bit ubuntu |
| 03:47.43 | johnx | put the flasher-3.0 binary and the initfs.orig.jffs2 in the same directory, open up a terminal, cd to that directory and run: |
| 03:47.50 | johnx | sudo ./n800-flasher3 -f -n initfs.orig.jffs2 -R |
| 03:47.55 | l7 | make the wrong choice and the tablet explodes? |
| 03:48.07 | johnx | nah, if the flasher runs it'll flash |
| 03:48.11 | disco_stu | just cut it off with your fears |
| 03:48.17 | johnx | if it's not the right thing, then it won't run :) |
| 03:48.24 | johnx | we won't mislead you |
| 03:48.56 | disco_stu | GAN800: why do you have two nicks ? |
| 03:49.08 | GAN800 | GAN800 is my N800 |
| 03:49.13 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:49.21 | disco_stu | i didnt know it was you |
| 03:49.34 | GAN800 | I tend to act a little differently when hindered by a virtual finger keyboard, so I like people to know why. |
| 03:49.48 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:49.59 | l7 | so i have flasher-3.0 on the desktop |
| 03:50.19 | l7 | and the initfs.orig.jffs2 file |
| 03:50.36 | johnx | so open up a terminal and type: |
| 03:50.38 | johnx | cd Desktop |
| 03:50.50 | l7 | yeah i'm there |
| 03:51.19 | l7 | flasher-3.0 is an executable? |
| 03:51.20 | johnx | then the line with sudo ^a couple messages back up^ |
| 03:51.24 | johnx | yes |
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| 03:51.42 | l7 | i assume it's |
| 03:51.43 | l7 | sudo ./n800-flasher3 -f -n initfs.orig.jffs2 -R |
| 03:51.47 | johnx | yes |
| 03:51.53 | l7 | don't i need to chmod +x it? |
| 03:52.01 | johnx | yup |
| 03:52.46 | l7 | and should i plug in the tablet in USB mode first? |
| 03:52.52 | johnx | nope |
| 03:52.56 | l7 | oh ok |
| 03:53.03 | johnx | follow the normal flashing instructions: |
| 03:53.06 | johnx | ~flashing |
| 03:53.07 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 03:53.09 | disco_stu | is the same if he plugs it |
| 03:53.23 | disco_stu | infobot: no, you are a sucker |
| 03:53.24 | infobot | disco_stu: what are you talking about? |
| 03:53.24 | johnx | except use the command I gave you instead of the one for flashing the whole firmware |
| 03:53.28 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:53.40 | johnx | infobot, don't listen to disco_stu |
| 03:53.41 | l7 | ./flasher-3.0: 2: Syntax error: newline unexpected |
| 03:53.49 | disco_stu | infobot: no, flashing is a t you are a sucker |
| 03:53.50 | infobot | okay, disco_stu |
| 03:53.52 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:53.53 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:53.55 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:53.59 | GAN800 | ~botsnack |
| 03:53.59 | infobot | aw, gee, GAN800 |
| 03:54.16 | disco_stu | infobot is friendly with me |
| 03:54.26 | GAN800 | disco_stu, fixit fixit fixit :P |
| 03:54.30 | disco_stu | ok |
| 03:54.39 | johnx | disco_stu, fine, but you have to answer the next questions about flashing :> |
| 03:54.49 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:55.04 | johnx | l7, hmm |
| 03:55.09 | disco_stu | infobot: no, flashing is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 03:55.09 | infobot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, disco_stu |
| 03:55.14 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:55.17 | l7 | yeah i didn't get a proper download of the flasher file |
| 03:55.35 | disco_stu | you both had to exchange md5sums |
| 03:55.42 | GAN800 | ~no flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 03:55.42 | infobot | okay, GAN800 |
| 03:55.58 | disco_stu | i was going to GAN800 |
| 03:56.14 | GAN800 | :p |
| 03:56.15 | l7 | trying again |
| 03:56.21 | GAN800 | I'm faster. ;) |
| 03:56.27 | disco_stu | just wanted to know if the puppy would just obey normal people |
| 03:56.36 | GAN800 | Sure |
| 03:56.38 | disco_stu | you know, since you are klingons |
| 03:56.44 | GAN800 | Define anything you need |
| 03:56.45 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:57.14 | l7 | johnx: now it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" |
| 03:57.23 | disco_stu | GAN800: are there any ircstats for the channel ? |
| 03:57.26 | l7 | time to plug in and hold down the home key? |
| 03:57.34 | disco_stu | l7: yes |
| 03:57.35 | johnx | l7, yes |
| 03:57.59 | GAN800 | disco_stu, um, jott parsed the logs a few months ago |
| 03:58.13 | GAN800 | Don't have a link handy, though. |
| 03:58.30 | GAN800 | IRC will likely end up in karma at some point. |
| 03:58.32 | l7 | oh that was quick, it's booting from flash |
| 03:58.53 | l7 | looks like it's still stuck at the progress bar again |
| 03:58.59 | disco_stu | ircstats are very funny |
| 03:59.06 | johnx | hmm? it didn't give you a boot menu? |
| 03:59.28 | l7 | it did for about a second |
| 03:59.34 | l7 | i guess i gotta yank the battery again |
| 03:59.52 | johnx | odd |
| 03:59.59 | johnx | it should give you 30 seconds |
| 04:00.01 | johnx | hmm |
| 04:00.05 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: another thing is faster in Diablo is the file manager |
| 04:00.17 | l7 | press and hold the menu key it said |
| 04:01.00 | GAN800 | Yeah, still slow, though. :( |
| 04:01.09 | disco_stu | GAN800: and i edited mce.ini so i can double click power button and set the nit to softpoweroff |
| 04:01.10 | l7 | okay cool, i have a boot menu now |
| 04:01.20 | johnx | l7, ok, what are your options? |
| 04:01.24 | l7 | internal flash / deblet or power off |
| 04:01.42 | GAN800 | Too bad David refuses to let you double-click to wake it. |
| 04:01.45 | johnx | does it have text across the top? hold xxx for rescue or similar? |
| 04:01.49 | GAN800 | For some retarded reason |
| 04:01.56 | l7 | hrm, i didn't see that |
| 04:02.04 | l7 | i wandered into USB networking mode |
| 04:02.18 | johnx | ah, nevermind, that's right :) |
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| 04:02.25 | johnx | just didn't remember the text at the top :D |
| 04:02.28 | l7 | there's no recovery mode accroess the top |
| 04:02.40 | johnx | usb networking is what you want |
| 04:03.21 | disco_stu | GAN800: who is David ? |
| 04:03.26 | l7 | johnx: trying to telnet in now |
| 04:03.30 | l7 | it's rather slow |
| 04:03.46 | johnx | hmm. it shouldn't be |
| 04:03.57 | l7 | am i supposed to get a login prompt right away? |
| 04:04.03 | johnx | did you already setup the networking on your desktop? |
| 04:04.34 | l7 | no, everything on ubuntu is pretty much default |
| 04:04.44 | l7 | do i need to install a package? |
| 04:04.52 | GAN800 | programmer in charge of mce |
| 04:05.10 | johnx | nope, but you need to activate the usb0 interface on your desktop before you can telnet |
| 04:05.20 | l7 | oh, how do i do that? |
| 04:05.24 | disco_stu | what is mce btw ? |
| 04:05.26 | johnx | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 |
| 04:05.39 | johnx | checks to make sure that's right |
| 04:06.09 | l7 | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 04:06.09 | l7 | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 04:06.10 | disco_stu | he will have to insmod |
| 04:06.35 | GAN800 | daemon that controls power and device state stuff |
| 04:07.29 | johnx | actually, unplug the usb and replug it, then try that same command again |
| 04:07.57 | l7 | weird, my tablet switched itself off |
| 04:08.13 | johnx | as soon as you unplugged usb? |
| 04:08.37 | l7 | no while i was messing around pasting some stuff into gedit |
| 04:08.43 | l7 | trying agian |
| 04:09.31 | johnx | you know the other thing here might be that your battery is dying or your charger |
| 04:09.50 | l7 | whups i did "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.15" by mistake" |
| 04:10.11 | disco_stu | is the same |
| 04:10.31 | l7 | now i get "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host" instead of hanging at the telnet prompt |
| 04:10.56 | disco_stu | can you ping it ?? |
| 04:11.18 | johnx | and if that fails, put the output of ifconfig on pastebin |
| 04:11.32 | l7 | seems to be 100% packet loss |
| 04:11.39 | johnx | BTW, does the tablet refuse to start if there is insufficient power? at what point in the boot process is that checked? |
| 04:11.39 | disco_stu | ok |
| 04:12.25 | l7 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/71188/ |
| 04:12.28 | l7 | here's the ifconfig |
| 04:13.35 | johnx | ah, alright, try that ifconfig line again |
| 04:13.40 | johnx | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 |
| 04:13.41 | disco_stu | it is missing the ip address |
| 04:14.23 | l7 | okay done |
| 04:14.39 | l7 | the command returns a newline with no error messages |
| 04:14.43 | johnx | correct |
| 04:14.48 | johnx | now ping or telnet again |
| 04:15.04 | l7 | 100% packet loss |
| 04:15.09 | johnx | gak |
| 04:15.19 | l7 | i can give the mac a try |
| 04:15.29 | johnx | nah, that probably won't work |
| 04:15.35 | l7 | tablet went to sleep again |
| 04:16.06 | johnx | do you have any friends with a nokia phone charger you can borrow? |
| 04:16.15 | l7 | what is the best order to reboot the tablet in? |
| 04:16.25 | l7 | a phone charger? |
| 04:16.34 | johnx | any charger that's the same as the n800 |
| 04:16.42 | l7 | i happen to have a nokia phone charger that might be compatible |
| 04:16.47 | johnx | most current nokia devices use the same charger |
| 04:17.17 | l7 | how is the phone charger different than the charger that came with the n800? |
| 04:17.44 | johnx | well, you said your battery doesn't show a charging animation, and you can usually hear it charging |
| 04:17.50 | johnx | and it keeps shutting off randomly |
| 04:18.03 | l7 | hrm |
| 04:18.17 | johnx | always test the simplest things first :) |
| 04:18.53 | l7 | how does charging work when in recovery mode? |
| 04:19.10 | l7 | i guess i can plug it in |
| 04:19.26 | johnx | or test your n800 charger on your phone |
| 04:19.55 | l7 | it's about the same size and shape |
| 04:20.04 | johnx | actually the real question is: does it turn on when you plug in the current charger? |
| 04:21.07 | johnx | if it fits, then it should work, but you can double check that the voltage match on the charger if it makes you feel better |
| 04:21.19 | disco_stu | johnx: lol.. that just will answer if the charger works |
| 04:21.43 | johnx | disco_stu, yeah. like I said, test simple things first. ever work on a car before? :D |
| 04:22.09 | disco_stu | i dont get what you mena |
| 04:22.14 | disco_stu | s/mena/mean/ |
| 04:22.21 | l7 | the voltage is a bit different on the phone version |
| 04:22.29 | disco_stu | doesnt matter |
| 04:22.38 | l7 | anyway, why don't i just plug in the n800's charger? |
| 04:23.23 | johnx | disco_stu, eh, I was thinking briefly that his charger might be dead, thus not charging, thus why his tablet randomly just shuts off in recovery mode |
| 04:24.01 | l7 | is this tablet not supposed to shut off in recovery mode? |
| 04:24.13 | johnx | I've never had it happen |
| 04:24.24 | l7 | i suppose it's possible that a surge damaged the charger so that it will turn the tablet on but not charge |
| 04:24.27 | disco_stu | maybe it is |
| 04:24.41 | johnx | I think a recovery mode where the tablet randomly shut down would be kind of really dumb |
| 04:24.46 | disco_stu | you want to know if the charger works ? |
| 04:24.51 | johnx | yes |
| 04:24.58 | disco_stu | put the connector in your tongue |
| 04:25.08 | l7 | uh, no thanks |
| 04:25.20 | disco_stu | i'm not joking |
| 04:25.28 | disco_stu | it wont hurt you |
| 04:25.28 | l7 | i know |
| 04:25.37 | l7 | i'd rather get a voltage testing kit |
| 04:25.42 | l7 | i'll try to find that old phone first though |
| 04:25.44 | disco_stu | thats good too |
| 04:26.19 | disco_stu | i dont know how i lived till today without last.fm |
| 04:26.41 | l7 | well here's the thing, the n800 doesn't shut down by itself when booting from flash |
| 04:26.57 | l7 | but it does turn off in recovery mode while waiting for telnet |
| 04:26.57 | johnx | it just stays hung? |
| 04:27.12 | l7 | yeah, it just shows the hands screen |
| 04:27.20 | l7 | or the star trek version of it actually |
| 04:27.42 | disco_stu | GAN800: im using the maemo startup logo you made |
| 04:27.57 | johnx | the usb networking telnet mode should be pretty bulletproof |
| 04:28.05 | disco_stu | but sometimes it appears with a blue thingy |
| 04:28.13 | GAN800 | disco_stu, did I link you to the Err set, too? |
| 04:28.14 | l7 | is the n800 supposed to stay in the boot menu indefinitely? |
| 04:28.16 | johnx | do you have it plugged in when it shuts off? |
| 04:28.31 | disco_stu | GAN800: maybe.. |
| 04:28.40 | disco_stu | the one that says maemo im using |
| 04:28.41 | johnx | not the boot menu, but the usb telnet mode yes |
| 04:28.44 | l7 | johnx: it was unplugged and in telnet mode when it shut off |
| 04:28.44 | johnx | let me test on mine |
| 04:29.11 | l7 | i'm going to move over to the mac and see if i can get USB networking on it |
| 04:29.14 | GAN800 | I tweaked the maemo.org set a bit, not sure if I ever uploaded i. |
| 04:29.26 | disco_stu | l7 you wont make it |
| 04:29.31 | disco_stu | mac wont be useful |
| 04:29.33 | disco_stu | please |
| 04:29.45 | johnx | the mac doesn't have the right networking drivers I think |
| 04:29.46 | disco_stu | erase that partition |
| 04:29.50 | l7 | hrm macs aren't that bad eh? |
| 04:29.51 | disco_stu | lol |
| 04:30.03 | johnx | it's just a lack of drivers |
| 04:30.06 | johnx | I have nothing against macs |
| 04:30.17 | johnx | disco_stu is just insecure about secretly loving Macs :D |
| 04:30.22 | l7 | heh |
| 04:30.22 | disco_stu | lol |
| 04:30.26 | disco_stu | i hate them |
| 04:30.27 | l7 | i'll try the ports in the back of the PC |
| 04:30.39 | disco_stu | i'm a GNU gentleman |
| 04:30.49 | johnx | just try having it plugged in to a charger while in usb telnet mode |
| 04:31.13 | l7 | sucks some pentium exhaust |
| 04:31.22 | disco_stu | thinks l7 is not the geek he thought |
| 04:31.33 | l7 | for using a mac? :p |
| 04:31.56 | l7 | maybe i'm a wannabe |
| 04:32.08 | johnx | heh...it's funny, cause a mac is closer to unix than linux is |
| 04:32.10 | disco_stu | no for the mac |
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| 04:32.30 | l7 | yeah, i used the mac as part of my transition plan from to unix |
| 04:32.41 | disco_stu | because you didnt want to stick you're tongue to the charger |
| 04:32.46 | disco_stu | lol |
| 04:32.48 | l7 | lol |
| 04:32.56 | l7 | i didn't want to gunk up the charger |
| 04:33.04 | johnx | wouldn't have stuck his tongue to a charger he didn't trust either |
| 04:33.07 | disco_stu | i'll grab a glass of pepsi |
| 04:33.08 | l7 | anyway, what order do i want to plug in and turn on the tablet for USB networking? |
| 04:33.16 | disco_stu | i would |
| 04:33.32 | l7 | tablet has not shut down in boot menu by the way |
| 04:33.33 | disco_stu | i trust my live to everything that says nokia on it |
| 04:33.46 | disco_stu | l7: start a console now |
| 04:33.54 | disco_stu | and start usb networking |
| 04:33.57 | johnx | turn on, get to telnet mode, plug in to power, plug in to usb, run sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.2 on the linux machine, telnet 192.168.2.15 |
| 04:34.17 | l7 | weird, it just powered off when i yanked the USB cable |
| 04:34.36 | johnx | was it plugged into power? |
| 04:34.44 | disco_stu | are there any ghosts or spirits there |
| 04:34.48 | l7 | no |
| 04:35.12 | l7 | okay, no correlation between yanking the USB and the device switching off now |
| 04:35.13 | johnx | try the order I just put up above ^ |
| 04:35.17 | l7 | ok |
| 04:36.15 | l7 | have you guys noticed the nokia chargers don't have a positive and negative pole on the plugs? |
| 04:36.40 | johnx | yeah, that's normal. international design |
| 04:36.47 | disco_stu | its an standard |
| 04:36.54 | disco_stu | positive is on the inside |
| 04:37.12 | johnx | you mean on the part plugging into the outlet, right? |
| 04:37.40 | l7 | yeah |
| 04:37.54 | l7 | positive is normally the bigger prong right? |
| 04:38.11 | disco_stu | no no |
| 04:38.22 | disco_stu | the oulet part would be the wall ? |
| 04:38.39 | johnx | yes, that's what we're talking about |
| 04:38.54 | disco_stu | that wont never have positive or negative |
| 04:39.04 | disco_stu | because is AC |
| 04:39.06 | disco_stu | no DC |
| 04:39.16 | l7 | oh |
| 04:39.17 | disco_stu | ac doesnt have polarity |
| 04:39.24 | l7 | so it doesn't matter which way you plug in the charger |
| 04:39.31 | disco_stu | exactly |
| 04:39.58 | disco_stu | the other part, the one that goes into the nit is DC current and there it matters polarity |
| 04:40.34 | johnx | gah, think I might have just killed my usb stick :/ |
| 04:41.28 | Navi | johnx: nah, I just set you up |
| 04:41.44 | Navi | I murdered the stick and planted false evidence that pointed to you |
| 04:41.46 | johnx | nooo, I was framed! I didn't do it |
| 04:41.54 | l7 | johnx: woohoo it worked now! |
| 04:41.59 | l7 | how strange |
| 04:42.10 | johnx | l7, when plugged into power? |
| 04:42.15 | l7 | yeah |
| 04:42.24 | johnx | whistles, tunelessly |
| 04:42.33 | l7 | or maybe it was just doing everything in this order |
| 04:42.33 | johnx | now the hard part |
| 04:42.50 | johnx | you need to figure out why it won't boot :) |
| 04:42.52 | l7 | i guess i'll copy this into gedit to add to the wiki later |
| 04:43.04 | johnx | that would be great |
| 04:43.05 | l7 | hrm |
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| 04:43.55 | johnx | so now you need to figure out why it won't boot |
| 04:44.02 | johnx | did you install anything new recently? |
| 04:44.18 | l7 | yeah, i have a lot of apps |
| 04:44.21 | disco_stu | does maemo have a syslog ? |
| 04:44.23 | l7 | probably too much junk |
| 04:44.30 | johnx | disco_stu, not by default |
| 04:44.44 | johnx | l7, is there anything you installed after the last time you rebooted? |
| 04:46.00 | l7 | sorry, was writing down what we did |
| 04:46.15 | l7 | okay this is weird |
| 04:46.24 | l7 | # Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 04:46.43 | l7 | the telnet connection turned itself off |
| 04:47.02 | johnx | anyways, hopefully someone else can give you some ideas, as I have to get to work |
| 04:47.08 | johnx | back later tonight |
| 04:47.10 | l7 | maybe it gets times out after a certain amount of inactivity |
| 04:47.16 | disco_stu | GAN800: when in softpoweroff my tablet blinks its led, even when is not intended to do so |
| 04:47.23 | disco_stu | why is that ? |
| 04:47.26 | l7 | johnx: okay cool, thanks for your help in getting this far |
| 04:47.31 | johnx | might want to try a different usb cable if you have one |
| 04:47.37 | l7 | hrm |
| 04:47.50 | l7 | i'm even using the heavy duty stock nokia cable |
| 04:48.04 | l7 | also, the other thing is i used a USB port from the back of the machine |
| 04:48.13 | l7 | that might make a difference too |
| 04:48.21 | l7 | i'll try a cheapo USB cable though |
| 04:49.55 | l7 | hrm tried a new cable, same port but without charging |
| 04:50.29 | l7 | oh this is very strange |
| 04:50.41 | l7 | telnet always fails when power is not plugged in |
| 04:50.54 | l7 | the minute i plug in the power cable, USB networking works |
| 04:52.43 | l7 | lastlog http |
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| 04:55.38 | GAN800 | disco_stu, in mce.ini there's a configuration for the LED behaviour in soft poweroff, set the duration to zero and restart. |
| 04:58.07 | disco_stu | GAN800: nice man |
| 04:58.09 | disco_stu | thx |
| 04:58.23 | disco_stu | i'm not used to see the led flashing |
| 04:59.05 | disco_stu | in the other side it is good because is the nit is turned off you will end up turning it on |
| 04:59.21 | disco_stu | while trying to take out from softpoweroff |
| 05:00.11 | disco_stu | btw |
| 05:00.59 | disco_stu | GAN800: is softpoweroff better in terms of power consumption or is just a shortcut to lock screen and offline mode |
| 05:01.00 | disco_stu | ? |
| 05:01.42 | GAN800 | It used it be a shortcut |
| 05:01.56 | GAN800 | but these days it may actually suspend processes |
| 05:02.20 | GAN800 | I know the browser doesn't continue loading pages in soft poweroff. |
| 05:02.20 | disco_stu | that is good news |
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| 05:03.38 | l7 | "usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" seems to happen a lot randomly |
| 05:08.20 | l7 | so what do i do once i am in telnet recovery mode? |
| 05:09.33 | GAN800 | There's a lot of new stuff on the OS2008 user site. |
| 05:09.41 | l7 | the wiki? |
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| 05:10.23 | l7 | hrm it's fun to run top with only 15 processes |
| 05:11.12 | l7 | man the tablet keeps randomly rebooting while telnetted in |
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| 05:18.28 | disco_stu | l7: the thing is |
| 05:18.43 | disco_stu | "is your tablet charging?" |
| 05:19.23 | l7 | can i check my battery level from the shell prompt? |
| 05:20.09 | disco_stu | in a normal linux pc yes |
| 05:20.12 | disco_stu | no sure there |
| 05:20.36 | disco_stu | check if you can get into |
| 05:20.54 | disco_stu | /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/ |
| 05:20.59 | disco_stu | dont know |
| 05:22.33 | l7 | hrm ok |
| 05:23.17 | l7 | i don't believe there's a /proc/acpi |
| 05:23.43 | l7 | i'll do a ls -R of /proc after i log back in |
| 05:25.55 | l7 | okay this is weird |
| 05:26.05 | l7 | telnet will hang every now and then |
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| 05:26.34 | l7 | but doing "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.2" from another console unfreezes the telnet session |
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| 05:27.35 | disco_stu | lol |
| 05:28.06 | l7 | it works, i don't know why |
| 05:28.09 | l7 | voodoo |
| 05:28.44 | l7 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/71210/ |
| 05:29.05 | l7 | no acpi directory in all of proc |
| 05:31.39 | disco_stu | well 2:30 am here |
| 05:31.50 | disco_stu | im going to hit bed |
| 05:31.53 | disco_stu | see you around |
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| 05:58.23 | guillermo | :-DDD |
| 05:58.30 | guillermo | sorry |
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| 06:54.25 | vincenzo88 | hello all! |
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| 07:16.49 | Meiz_n810 | My m-r does not boot :( |
| 07:18.14 | Meiz_n810 | deblet rescue menus text shows with the screen of linuxrc messages... |
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| 07:23.10 | bradd | i am having problems installing the maemo-sdk. when I sh the file i eventually get 'dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of maemo-core-runtime: depends on sudo however pacage sudo is not configured yet |
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| 07:35.22 | vincenzo88 | bradd, have you do a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 07:36.10 | bradd | I installed scratchbox fine, then I went with the sdk auto-installer. That was where the error occurred. |
| 07:36.37 | bradd | should I login to scratchbox and do the apt stuff you mentioned before installing the sdk? |
| 07:37.33 | vincenzo88 | 1sec |
| 07:37.40 | bradd | nm. |
| 07:37.49 | bradd | i installed sudo on the host and everything installed |
| 07:37.52 | vincenzo88 | I am a novice in the developpement on maemo OS :p |
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| 07:40.31 | vincenzo88 | " NOTE: If you have existing Scratchbox targets named DIABLO_ARMEL |
| 07:40.31 | vincenzo88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.31 | vincenzo88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.43 | vincenzo88 | test with this : sh maemo-sdk-install_4.1.1.sh -y |
| 07:40.59 | bradd | vincenzo88, thanks for looking, but it has installed fine now |
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| 07:41.54 | vincenzo88 | Good, what was the problem ? |
| 07:42.20 | bradd | my host distribution was missing sudo itself. I installed the package then the install succeeded |
| 07:42.39 | vincenzo88 | Ok |
| 07:55.18 | jjo | bradd: what script required sudo to be installed? |
| 07:55.53 | bradd | jjo, maemo-sdk-install_4.1.1.sh |
| 07:57.10 | jjo | hmm... as far as I can see, it's not using sudo for anything and at least it shouldn't use it for anything |
| 07:58.13 | bradd | sorry, the text is gone.. but this was done on a fresh install of arch linux |
| 07:58.15 | jjo | I'll have to take a look |
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| 08:22.22 | chenkai | Hi, everyone. I have a basic simple question about A2DP profile. how can i make my Nokia N810 A2DP-enabled? The internet tablet is officially declared to be A2DP-disabled. i wonder if i could get some patch to install...Thanks for advance :) |
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| 08:31.24 | bradd | does maemo provide a #define for me to know I'm compiling on it? |
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| 08:38.25 | vincenzo88 | You have to compile in the scratchbox environment no changes in the sources codes are requiered |
| 08:38.42 | RST38h | vincenzo: oh really? :) |
| 08:39.07 | vincenzo88 | seriously! |
| 08:39.08 | bradd | vincenzo88, I need to know if I'm compiling for maemo (so I can do some specific maemo stuffs) |
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| 08:40.19 | bradd | (like pixel-doubling, fixed size windows for now) |
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| 08:42.50 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 08:44.24 | StsN800 | morn |
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| 09:00.54 | RST38h | Here, feed: http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/12/htc-max-4g-officially-announced-worlds-first-gsm-wimax-phone/ |
| 09:02.56 | RST38h | And, for the whole measure, this: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/10/nokia-internal-smartphone-roadmap-revealed/ |
| 09:05.01 | X-Fade | Well, voip over hsdpa and a voip-in number would make my tablet a phone ;) |
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| 09:09.14 | guardian | wow |
| 09:09.21 | guardian | maemo is heaven |
| 09:09.39 | guardian | i never thought I would have been that assertive once |
| 09:10.32 | guardian | I got punished, I have to work on another linux based embedded platform :( |
| 09:10.46 | derf | Haha. |
| 09:11.24 | derf | Be happy it isn't VxWorks-based. |
| 09:13.07 | guardian | the platform I have in hands is like "happily insert specific extensions to GTK+ by adding custom signals and new virtual functions but be sure you don't declare those at the end of the structs to be sure binary compatibility breaks ALWAYS" |
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| 09:13.53 | derf | "For your convenience." |
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| 09:14.25 | guardian | it smells NIH all around |
| 09:16.48 | jjo | bradd: I wonder if the package maemo-version-dev would be what you need |
| 09:17.17 | jjo | it should be installed by default in recent maemo releases |
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| 09:21.22 | bradd | jjo, ok, thanks. I'll look into it |
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| 09:22.00 | bradd | btw, has anyone gottan an xephyr session running on a different client than the maemo dev cliient to work? |
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| 09:29.46 | bradd | for what its worth, I find MAEMO to be defined during compilation |
| 09:30.05 | bradd | oh, sorry thats wrong.. |
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| 09:46.28 | jagernot | hi again; am here to (yet again) present my audio synth for comments/feedback/feature ideas |
| 09:47.03 | jagernot | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.57 | bradd | jjo, ok pkg-config --exists maemo-version works for me. except I also need to know if I'm compiling in the X86 env or maemo env. (I am going to use this test to determine compile-time endianness) |
| 09:50.19 | bradd | err ARMEL env |
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| 09:59.01 | gromgull | Does anyone know what pacakge I need to install to get ldd? |
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| 10:03.37 | X-Fade | Hmmm interesting A javascript -> dbus bridge http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge |
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| 10:05.16 | RST38h | GTK+ is fragile by its nature anyway |
| 10:05.49 | RST38h | And its authors have got some strange aversion to C++ |
| 10:08.04 | X-Fade | StsN800: Can you do the no_NO translation here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#Translations |
| 10:10.07 | RST38h | X-Fade: [as a reminder] catch some Finn to do fi_FI |
| 10:10.26 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, already looking at my jabber contacts ;) |
| 10:11.03 | X-Fade | Any Swedes around? |
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| 10:12.48 | johnx | mornin' StsN800 :) |
| 10:14.07 | RST38h | moo, johnx |
| 10:14.14 | johnx | m00f :) |
| 10:14.31 | johnx | finds dependency hell in the weirdest places :/ |
| 10:14.36 | johnx | it's like a talent |
| 10:15.02 | RST38h | or a mental disease =) |
| 10:15.12 | X-Fade | johnx: Just buy a 16GB card and do static linking ;) |
| 10:15.45 | StsN800 | X-Fade, im danish on a mobile provider owned by norwegians.. |
| 10:15.47 | johnx | won't fix the fact that other people depend on odd libraries :/ |
| 10:16.13 | X-Fade | StsN800: Heh, I went with the .no ;) Sorry... |
| 10:16.20 | johnx | can you trick their customer service into doing a translation? |
| 10:16.59 | X-Fade | I wonder if we should add more languages even though they are not officially supported. |
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| 10:20.28 | RST38h | X-Fade: I would at least add pl_PL and lt_LT or whatever it is called |
| 10:20.49 | RST38h | X-Fade: PL can be done by AStorm or hrw. mgedmin can do LT |
| 10:20.57 | woglinde | hm I just wondered the locales packages striped out utf8 stuff |
| 10:21.10 | X-Fade | RST38h: yeah, indeed. |
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| 10:21.35 | X-Fade | RST38h: It would be interesting if johnx could do jp_JP :) |
| 10:21.39 | RST38h | I think we have also got a Belgian and an Italian in the crowd (please, stand up =)) |
| 10:21.50 | X-Fade | RST38h: Belgian is no language. |
| 10:21.56 | woglinde | *g* |
| 10:21.59 | RST38h | X-Fade: Better yet, his gf could ;) |
| 10:22.11 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, there is already es_MX ... |
| 10:22.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: I think it is there because it is officially supported? |
| 10:22.45 | RST38h | X-Fade: Probably... |
| 10:23.00 | RST38h | But it makes fr_BE sound logical |
| 10:23.31 | johnx | X-Fade, Sore wa mendokusai -_-;; |
| 10:24.00 | RST38h | johnx: Could you ask someone to do jp_JP, really? It is just a dozen of words |
| 10:24.07 | X-Fade | RST38h: As does nl_BE and de_BE, but yeah.. |
| 10:24.30 | johnx | yeah, shouldn't be a problem |
| 10:25.18 | RST38h | X-Fade: fanoush may be able to do CZ |
| 10:25.44 | woglinde | someone knows what happend with jolt? |
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| 10:27.59 | RST38h | X-Fade: Also, try KotCzarny for PL (looks like he is online) |
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| 10:34.15 | lardman | morning |
| 10:34.26 | woglinde | hi lardman |
| 10:34.34 | lardman | hey woglinde |
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| 10:35.47 | lcuk | RST38h, kots not in here though |
| 10:36.03 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 10:36.09 | lcuk | hiya woglinde |
| 10:36.13 | lcuk | hows it goin |
| 10:37.30 | lcuk | RST38h, kot is awake and in #liqbase, go have a word |
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| 10:40.27 | lcuk | lardman, no more mega meetings this week then? or are you stuck in eternal hell |
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| 10:41.42 | vincenzo88 | I want to create a shortcut off my application on the desktop to execute the application with a doubleclick. Someone have a solution to relove my problem ? Thanks |
| 10:41.52 | vincenzo88 | (on N810) |
| 10:42.24 | woglinde | vincenzo88 you could lookinto the .desktop file of first steps |
| 10:42.58 | lcuk | bbl |
| 10:43.17 | johnx | vincenzo88, have you seen personal launcher? |
| 10:44.03 | vincenzo88 | Johnx : i have tried to create a debian package but not work, and i have not seen the personal launcher |
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| 10:50.54 | lardman | lcuk: nah, all meetinged out now thankfully |
| 10:51.13 | lardman | lcuk: might even be able to do some coding (or non work stuff) over the w/e |
| 10:51.20 | lardman | s/or/of |
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| 11:04.02 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 11:04.58 | lardman | hi Jaffa |
| 11:16.03 | woglinde | hi jffa |
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| 11:44.18 | caio1982 | isn't really allowed for a systray app to use context menus (right-click)? is there a workaround for that or not? |
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| 11:51.23 | mgedmin | use left-click menus? |
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| 11:53.56 | Stskeeps | tap and hold? :P |
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| 11:59.20 | johnx | fights with intrepid libtool |
| 11:59.49 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 11:59.55 | Stskeeps | setting up own machine or? |
| 12:01.00 | johnx | it's a backport, to satisfy libcanberra which is also a backport to satisfy ... I don't even remember any more |
| 12:01.03 | johnx | it's for m-r |
| 12:01.45 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:01.57 | Stskeeps | libcanberra a backport to satisfy? |
| 12:02.03 | Stskeeps | where on earth does the enter into the picture? |
| 12:03.03 | johnx | hang on, I'll remember the whole tree in a sec |
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| 12:09.26 | johnx | maemo-launcher -> hildon-initscripts -> osso-af-startup -> osso-af-utils -> libcanberra (new audio layer of some type) -> libltdl7-dev (only available in intrepid's libtool) |
| 12:09.45 | johnx | yes, I question how I got here as well |
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| 12:11.27 | johnx | I guess I should just see if the one in icy will install without problems |
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| 12:19.35 | christefano_ | does anyone have any ideas about why my N810's backlit keyboard is no longer backlit? |
| 12:19.58 | christefano | according to light-meter, the light sensor is working |
| 12:21.09 | Stskeeps | johnx: O_o |
| 12:21.30 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah. I thought we were really close |
| 12:21.38 | Stskeeps | i guess it's cos we're on trunk |
| 12:21.46 | johnx | this is just one "branch" of the dependency tree |
| 12:22.05 | Stskeeps | which may have made things more difficult for us |
| 12:22.45 | johnx | ah yes, but there's no point in trying to bash our way through the current setup, really |
| 12:22.56 | johnx | s/setup/diablo versions/ |
| 12:23.00 | johnx | <- tired |
| 12:23.08 | johnx | thank god for s/ |
| 12:23.20 | Stskeeps | yeah, - as they're outdated |
| 12:23.39 | johnx | ah, well that's anticlimactic, libtool and friends from intrepid installs without conflict |
| 12:23.43 | johnx | back up to canberra :) |
| 12:25.20 | Stskeeps | *nod* should definately be noted on jaiku |
| 12:29.07 | johnx | crap, crap, crap :/ |
| 12:29.29 | Stskeeps | that bad? |
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| 12:30.00 | Stskeeps | AF, though? |
| 12:30.02 | johnx | wants a newer libasound. I wonder if it really needs the newer version or just asks for it |
| 12:30.05 | Stskeeps | what does that stand for? |
| 12:30.30 | johnx | in osso-af-utils ? |
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| 12:31.21 | Stskeeps | well, my plan was to butcher osso-af-utils to fit ubuntu, atleast |
| 12:31.23 | Stskeeps | er |
| 12:31.25 | Stskeeps | af-startup |
| 12:31.56 | johnx | starting to look like a good plan :) |
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| 12:33.54 | Stskeeps | cos why should hildon desktop depend on a certain system layer? |
| 12:35.29 | johnx | yeah, osso-af-utils looks like a good candidate for replacement actually |
| 12:37.16 | Stskeeps | or even dependig on hildon initscripts |
| 12:38.34 | Stskeeps | i think i'm going to start filing some bug reports and see if nokia appreciates it or not |
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| 12:46.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: "We are a small bunch of people from community trying to "reconstruct" Maemo (see proposal at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed, ), and we are attempting a sort of proof of concept of this proposal. In this PoC we take most published parts of Maemo and try to refit them onto a up-to-date Debian/Ubuntu base to see what problems arise - also to improve problems with porting to Maemo. As part of this work, we're reporting this bug to help ... |
| 12:46.52 | Stskeeps | ... improve Maemo." |
| 12:46.55 | Stskeeps | sounds as a good prefix to know what the pretense is for the bug? |
| 12:48.08 | johnx | sounds good, might want to change "improve problems porting" to "fix problems porting" |
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| 12:53.16 | johnx | or better yet "reduce problems porting" |
| 12:53.50 | christefano | does anyone have an idea about why my N810's keyboard lights don't work? it's possible that I installed something that did this, but nothing sketchy is listed in the application manager |
| 12:54.21 | johnx | did you change the setting maybe? sorry, I don't have an n810... |
| 12:55.30 | christefano | johnx: where is that setting? |
| 12:56.08 | johnx | I don't even know if there is one, I'm just trying to give you an idea |
| 12:56.19 | johnx | my n800 only has an onscreen keyboard :) |
| 12:56.27 | christefano | johnx: as far as I can tell, there isn't a setting anywhere :( |
| 12:56.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3858 |
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| 12:57.07 | christefano | I had Autolock installed and removed it, but rebooting afterwards didn't clear up the problem |
| 12:57.56 | johnx | Stskeeps, I think that will be a good indicator of how interested they are |
| 12:58.20 | GAN800 | mvo just brought up copyright assignments for translations, id anybody who provided a translation really interested in copyright assignment? |
| 12:58.36 | Stskeeps | public domain |
| 12:58.43 | X-Fade | GAN800: Geez, lawyers :) |
| 12:58.48 | Stskeeps | and isn't there a thing about wiki about that? |
| 12:59.47 | Stskeeps | ah. |
| 12:59.54 | Stskeeps | maemo_wiki:Copyrights is a dead link obviously.. |
| 12:59.55 | Stskeeps | :p |
| 13:00.15 | Stskeeps | GAN800: does that bug seem like a reasonable way to test the waters? |
| 13:00.32 | GAN800 | All wiki contributions are probably technically licensed under a permissive license, but I'm not sure if we ever really decicded that one definitevly. |
| 13:00.57 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, seems fine. |
| 13:01.00 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:01.14 | Stskeeps | even if it is a kinda trivial bug it could technically have technical consequences |
| 13:03.06 | christefano | are there any utilities that can control the N810's keyboard backlight? |
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| 13:12.53 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, you might need to put the preamble in the first bug you file. |
| 13:13.02 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 13:13.14 | johnx | he did :) |
| 13:13.16 | Stskeeps | i did |
| 13:13.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:13.24 | GAN800 | How many bugs are you planning ob filing? I wonder if a new keyword is in order. |
| 13:13.33 | Stskeeps | GAN800: so far we have a small bunch of issues |
| 13:13.48 | GAN800 | er, you probably _only_ want to put it on the first bug |
| 13:13.55 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:14.09 | Stskeeps | well, testing the waters first, which is why i put it there |
| 13:14.10 | GAN800 | Don't cutnpaste it to every bug you file is what I mean. ;) |
| 13:14.16 | Stskeeps | and then i'll probably use a keyword or something |
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| 13:15.25 | Stskeeps | to group them together as we are noticing issues/annoyances left and right |
| 13:15.31 | lcuk2 | stskeeps, are you planning a massive bugfiling raid? will that get you upto level 70? |
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| 13:16.07 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: only if there seems to be response to the issues |
| 13:16.54 | johnx | wow...I got one: the postinst for osso-af-startup runs chown user:users /etc/osso-af-init/locale |
| 13:17.03 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 13:17.21 | Stskeeps | that's why i think this stuff should be carefully shaped, the osso-af-startup stuff |
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| 13:17.43 | lcuk2 | did you 2 ever sort out multiuser stuff or is this related |
| 13:18.18 | johnx | we didn't really decide if we cared about multiuser, but this is just impressively anti-unix is all |
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| 13:18.40 | johnx | do other people care about multiuser? |
| 13:18.49 | johnx | open discussion :) |
| 13:18.56 | lcuk2 | i agree, but i think multiuser has to be quick and dynamic if its gonna work (and it has to include a wii mii import facility) |
| 13:19.27 | lcuk2 | if its gonna work its gotta be really quick and simple to switch |
| 13:19.28 | johnx | you get us fast enough software 3D to smoothly display a mii and I'll certainly think about it :) |
| 13:20.30 | lcuk2 | the 3d part is not important, its the facial modification logic and parts library |
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| 13:22.25 | lcuk2 | johnx, as you have seen in liqbase its insanely easy for a new user to pickup the device, if a single device is shared with multiple people it needs to be simple to allow their details to be stored (whilst also allowing viewing public info from all users) |
| 13:22.39 | Stskeeps | thinks device is too limited to give proper multiuser. |
| 13:22.48 | lcuk2 | i agree sts |
| 13:23.30 | Stskeeps | hildon complexity increases highly if it has to be done properly |
| 13:24.03 | lcuk2 | yeah it does i agree |
| 13:24.31 | johnx | you mean user switching done properly or hildon done properly? |
| 13:24.56 | lcuk2 | full desktop user switchinguser switching |
| 13:25.00 | lcuk2 | heh |
| 13:25.10 | suihkulokki | getting rid of user/users isn't hard. desktop switching is just.. unimplementd. |
| 13:25.32 | lcuk2 | and would be extra complex |
| 13:25.49 | lcuk2 | my god im not finishing my sentences |
| 13:26.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: as in doing it in a fast manner, without having to restart hildon-desktop to log in as a another user.. |
| 13:26.23 | johnx | oh that, yeah...way out of scope |
| 13:27.44 | lcuk2 | bbl |
| 13:27.49 | johnx | suihkulokki, good, I'm sure we'll be looking at the debian packages for clues :) |
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| 13:31.23 | GAN800 | multiuser is largely pointless for Maemo |
| 13:31.44 | GAN800 | Though naming user something sane would be a good plab |
| 13:31.47 | GAN800 | plan |
| 13:32.10 | GAN800 | and reducing the multiuser-hostile behaviours to a minimum. |
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| 13:35.46 | johnx | going insane trying to figure out why pinning isn't working O_o |
| 13:35.51 | Stskeeps | yeah.. i don't think init scripts should depend on it being a certain user, or atleast use tablet_user behaviour liek in deblet |
| 13:36.24 | suihkulokki | johnx: that specific case is irrelevant for m-r (you don't have the language change applet anyway) |
| 13:36.40 | RST38h | GAN800: I suggest "punter" or "hamster" |
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| 13:37.06 | johnx | RST38h, maybe guinea pig? |
| 13:37.18 | RST38h | johnx: can't use spaces and underscores are evil |
| 13:37.54 | RST38h | Of course we can be frank and call him "moron" or "idiot" which will make good disctinction between normal and superuser modes |
| 13:39.30 | GAN800 | Maybe add a step to the startup wizard? |
| 13:39.48 | RST38h | good idea |
| 13:40.00 | RST38h | an maybe add an "add more users" settings applet |
| 13:40.10 | RST38h | because users do tend to have husbands, wives, and children |
| 13:40.29 | GAN800 | But rarely those that share a mobile device |
| 13:40.41 | RST38h | you will be surprised... |
| 13:40.55 | RST38h | rarely a phone but often a media player |
| 13:40.56 | GAN800 | Somebody else can handle the direct implementations of multiuser conveniences |
| 13:40.58 | johnx | a restricted guest account might actually be nice in some cases |
| 13:41.36 | GAN800 | I think just removing the blockers to multiuser support is enough |
| 13:41.43 | RST38h | yep |
| 13:42.11 | GAN800 | Just steal Apple'd user creation page from their first-boot wizard. |
| 13:42.34 | GAN800 | s/'d/'s/ |
| 13:44.06 | RST38h | and pick up their kernel and ui frameworks while you are plundering them |
| 13:45.39 | GAN800 | Well, I'd assume it doesn't look too different from anybody else's first-boot user configuration wizard, but it's the one I have the most experience with. |
| 13:48.18 | RST38h | Simpler question: |
| 13:48.28 | RST38h | does GNOME have a GTK based user management tool? |
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| 13:50.32 | johnx | yes, it even looks reasonable and fits under 640x440 :) |
| 13:51.44 | RST38h | so just reuse the damn thing |
| 13:52.16 | johnx | that's the easy part |
| 13:55.03 | guysoft42 | I just got my N810 :-) |
| 13:55.12 | guysoft42 | is charging it |
| 13:55.48 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 13:56.40 | guysoft42 | whats the first thing to do when you get a nokia 810 then? |
| 13:57.01 | Stskeeps | install rootsh |
| 13:57.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:57.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=241649#post241649 |
| 13:57.31 | johnx | yeah, read that somewhere else |
| 13:57.36 | mgedmin | guysoft42: make sure you've got the latest OS |
| 13:57.38 | johnx | looks like we picked the winner :) |
| 13:58.06 | Stskeeps | and yeah, flashing to latest OS |
| 13:58.30 | mgedmin | which is 4.2008.36-5 |
| 13:58.39 | mgedmin | and then install OS updates with application installer |
| 13:59.03 | mgedmin | one downside of the SSU (Single Software Update) feature is that now it's no longer sufficient to flash the latest image |
| 13:59.14 | mgedmin | after that you have to install a SSU, reboot, install the second SSU, reboot |
| 13:59.27 | johnx | nope, the 36-5 image is up now |
| 13:59.53 | mgedmin | ahh, good |
| 14:00.06 | johnx | just installed its kernel the other day :) |
| 14:00.39 | johnx | haha! ok, I beat the packages around enough to install them. time to see what happens |
| 14:00.50 | guysoft42 | mgedmin, how do i upgrade it? |
| 14:00.59 | johnx | ~flashing |
| 14:00.59 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:01.12 | johnx | guysoft42, ^head to that page^ |
| 14:01.22 | johnx | there's instructions for updating from windows, linux and mac |
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| 14:02.13 | johnx | hmm, maemo-af-desktop-l10n-engb coming in from mojo...wonder if that's kosher |
| 14:02.19 | Stskeeps | noå |
| 14:02.20 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 14:02.29 | Stskeeps | get it from trunk instead |
| 14:02.45 | Stskeeps | incoming your packages now btw |
| 14:02.46 | Stskeeps | in apt |
| 14:04.06 | Stskeeps | added |
| 14:06.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: atleast that probably means for n900 there'll be a stable ubuntu.. and i think it's kinda silly that now the mojo project won't be mentioned, even though i -bet- the patches there are basis of ubuntu/arm |
| 14:06.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:07.18 | johnx | well if ubuntu targets armv7-vfp I really, really hope mojo keeps going |
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| 14:07.45 | johnx | otherwise I'll have busy build machines here :/ |
| 14:08.14 | Stskeeps | true |
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| 14:19.52 | Stskeeps | wonders if he should report more yet or wait it out |
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| 14:24.47 | Meiz_n810 | I had strange problem with m-r this morning |
| 14:25.38 | Meiz_n810 | i installed gnome, added m-r repo, installed deblet-rescue-menu, but it still did not boot up |
| 14:25.59 | johnx | define "boot up" |
| 14:26.11 | johnx | were you left with the white screen telling you it's booting from linuxrc? |
| 14:26.32 | Meiz_n810 | rescue menus text was shown at white background and linuxrc msg:s |
| 14:27.05 | johnx | well, it's "booted up" I'm sure |
| 14:27.11 | johnx | did you install gdm? |
| 14:27.16 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
| 14:27.37 | johnx | and Xorg worked normally when you ran it by itself? |
| 14:28.11 | Meiz_n810 | it was same problem i had when i did not remember to copy fb devs from maemo |
| 14:28.25 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: fb0 fb1 fb2 still :P |
| 14:28.36 | Meiz_n810 | i had fb devs |
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| 14:28.54 | Stskeeps | is it in /your/target/dev? |
| 14:28.59 | Meiz_n810 | i copied em from maemo |
| 14:29.00 | Stskeeps | when mounting it from meaemo |
| 14:29.19 | Stskeeps | well the question is if they're on the SD card or a udev thing |
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| 14:29.32 | Stskeeps | rescue menu happens before udev so |
| 14:29.39 | Meiz_n810 | ? |
| 14:30.00 | Stskeeps | mount the m-r partition in maemo, ls dev o nit |
| 14:30.02 | Stskeeps | on it |
| 14:30.06 | Stskeeps | is fb0,fb1 etc there? |
| 14:30.10 | Stskeeps | (dont use chroot) |
| 14:30.18 | disco_stu | l7: any luck ? |
| 14:32.08 | dneary | hey hey |
| 14:32.32 | Meiz_n810 | anyway, i first tried to copy fb devs from maemos /dev to /debian/dev (/debian is the dir i manually mounted /dev/mmcblk1p2) when it still did not boot, i removed fb devs, mount chroot without mounting maemos /dev to chroots /dev, deleted fb devs in chroot and then i ran /sbin/MAKEDEV in chroot to make fb devs |
| 14:32.54 | Stskeeps | sounds about right |
| 14:33.09 | Meiz_n810 | But it still did not boot |
| 14:33.36 | Meiz_n810 | i tried to run nautilus in chroot, and got Segmentation Fault |
| 14:33.40 | Stskeeps | when you say chroot you mean chroot /path something? |
| 14:35.34 | guysoft42 | johnx, thanks :) |
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| 14:35.48 | johnx | guysoft42, got it flashed to the latest version now? |
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| 14:36.25 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps, i done it many times same way, that it have worked before. Now i think it was about Segmentation Fault, every third time i install mojo, it gives me Segmentation Fault and i would say, this time it was not about missing /dev/fb*, it was about bad installation... |
| 14:36.29 | guysoft42 | johnx, its still charging.. and i have University homework to do in the meantime |
| 14:36.33 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: awkward.. |
| 14:36.42 | guysoft42 | johnx, where do i get the firmware file, and where do i get the flasher? |
| 14:36.48 | LinuxCode | wow a student that isnt laxy |
| 14:36.50 | LinuxCode | lazy |
| 14:37.01 | LinuxCode | guysoft42, hold |
| 14:37.02 | johnx | guysoft42, you have a linux desktop I take it? |
| 14:37.17 | guysoft42 | johnx, yep :) |
| 14:37.25 | guysoft42 | LinuxCode, hold? |
| 14:37.50 | Meiz_n810 | firmware images are in tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 14:37.55 | LinuxCode | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 14:37.58 | johnx | guysoft42, they're listed on that page I linked under "Flashing your tablet" |
| 14:38.20 | LinuxCode | you will need your wlan mac |
| 14:38.22 | LinuxCode | to enter |
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| 14:40.02 | vincenzo88 | What is the equivalent of cron (Ubuntu) in Maemo OS please ? (i need to execute a script when the N810 starts) |
| 14:40.42 | LinuxCode | when it starts ? |
| 14:40.51 | disco_stu | vincenzo88: if you want to execute it only when the device starts you dont need cron |
| 14:40.51 | LinuxCode | or at set intervals ? |
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| 14:40.58 | vincenzo88 | I want to start an application when the N810 turn On |
| 14:41.03 | LinuxCode | rc.local |
| 14:41.14 | johnx | no rc.local on the tablets |
| 14:41.16 | vincenzo88 | Thanks |
| 14:41.19 | LinuxCode | ahh |
| 14:41.24 | LinuxCode | doh |
| 14:41.27 | vincenzo88 | :-( |
| 14:41.36 | johnx | yeah, I thought that too |
| 14:41.52 | LinuxCode | maybe on purpose |
| 14:41.53 | johnx | easy enough to add something like it |
| 14:42.16 | johnx | nah, they just use a different init setup |
| 14:42.32 | LinuxCode | ahh k |
| 14:43.16 | disco_stu | just to be curious, vincenzo88 what do you want to execute ? |
| 14:43.33 | vincenzo88 | A Qt4 application i have developped |
| 14:43.48 | disco_stu | vincenzo88: what is it for ? |
| 14:44.19 | vincenzo88 | The application ? |
| 14:44.26 | disco_stu | yes |
| 14:44.44 | vincenzo88 | Displays cameras IP on screen |
| 14:45.01 | disco_stu | nice |
| 14:45.06 | vincenzo88 | :) |
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| 14:45.49 | guysoft42 | johnx, do i need flasher-3.0 or flasher-3.0-static? i am on a pentium M here |
| 14:45.55 | woglinde | vincenzo88 I think /etc/init.d is your friend |
| 14:45.57 | johnx | either one |
| 14:46.01 | johnx | flasher-3.0 is fine |
| 14:46.10 | vincenzo88 | woglinde, i will study this thanks |
| 14:46.22 | disco_stu | vincenzo88: |
| 14:46.28 | disco_stu | add a line at the end of |
| 14:46.40 | disco_stu | /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 14:46.44 | disco_stu | and you are done |
| 14:46.52 | woglinde | vincenzo88 hm yes script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:47.07 | woglinde | vincenzo88 and then a link to /etc/rcX.d |
| 14:47.08 | johnx | disco_stu, is there an x server running by then? |
| 14:47.20 | vincenzo88 | Ok i will try this |
| 14:47.36 | disco_stu | johnx: i miss that point |
| 14:47.38 | disco_stu | lol |
| 14:48.04 | disco_stu | im just waking up. you'll understand |
| 14:48.06 | disco_stu | lol |
| 14:48.16 | baaba | vincenzo88, make sure the read the docs regarding /etc/rcn |
| 14:48.42 | woglinde | vincenzo88 link to /etc/rc5.d/ S62scriptname should do |
| 14:48.45 | vincenzo88 | I don't know rcn but i will learn about :p |
| 14:48.57 | woglinde | s61 starts osso ui |
| 14:49.01 | baaba | replace n with 1..6 |
| 14:49.06 | baaba | and add .d :P |
| 14:49.16 | vincenzo88 | Many Thanks |
| 14:49.27 | woglinde | baaba it doesnt make sense in all runlevels |
| 14:49.30 | baaba | there's a specific way the /etc/rcn.d/ dirs are set up, your script needs to support calling with a certain way |
| 14:49.36 | johnx | actually, /etc/rc2.d/S62script |
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| 14:49.52 | baaba | doesn't make sense? |
| 14:50.04 | johnx | vincenzo88, read some existing scripts and copy the way they're setup |
| 14:50.07 | woglinde | args |
| 14:50.17 | woglinde | why the hack maemo starts all in runlevel 2 |
| 14:50.27 | baaba | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-booting |
| 14:50.51 | woglinde | baaba normaly you dont have in all runlevel the X server |
| 14:51.02 | baaba | yeah maemo's runlevels are kinda funky |
| 14:51.08 | woglinde | someone at maemo didnt care about this |
| 14:51.15 | woglinde | or nokia |
| 14:51.16 | johnx | woglinde, debian thing |
| 14:51.21 | baaba | well, debian's 2..5 are the same thing generally |
| 14:51.28 | baaba | they don't distinguish between them in debian |
| 14:51.33 | baaba | in some other distros they do |
| 14:51.35 | woglinde | hm right |
| 14:51.49 | woglinde | maemo should switch to semothing other |
| 14:51.54 | woglinde | with fremantle |
| 14:52.01 | woglinde | but I guess this is out of scope |
| 14:52.03 | johnx | yay! and be even further from debian. woo! |
| 14:52.05 | baaba | there are some differences between the 2..5 in maemo though, but i'm not entirely sure why |
| 14:52.47 | woglinde | minit would be nice |
| 14:52.53 | baaba | also on an unrelated note, i tried disabling bluetooth stuff by removing them from the rc2.d and then lifeguard put the device in a reboot loop :P |
| 14:53.05 | baaba | can you somehow configure lifeguard? |
| 14:53.08 | woglinde | in openembedded we should switch to something else too |
| 14:53.15 | johnx | baaba, use the flasher to disable it |
| 14:53.19 | woglinde | sysv suckz in many ways |
| 14:53.30 | baaba | johnx, yeah you can do that, but i don't want to fully disable it |
| 14:53.30 | johnx | woglinde, what's your opinion of upstart? |
| 14:53.54 | woglinde | johny hm |
| 14:53.58 | woglinde | args |
| 14:54.01 | woglinde | johnx |
| 14:54.10 | woglinde | have it here at the new ubuntu |
| 14:54.10 | baaba | i have a pretty specialized project that uses n810s and i'd like to get rid of extra stuff i know i won't need, like bluetooth |
| 14:54.12 | johnx | baaba, ok, that means that some other program started by dsmetool crashed as a result of you disabling bluetooth |
| 14:54.24 | woglinde | it suckz in disabling stuff |
| 14:54.31 | woglinde | conslekit namly |
| 14:55.04 | baaba | is there a logfile or something? |
| 14:55.25 | johnx | no logs |
| 14:55.33 | baaba | ideally i'd be able to disable a bunch of app framework stuff as well but i'm not sure how that's gonna fly |
| 14:55.40 | suihkulokki | johnx: see /var/lib/dsme/stats/ |
| 14:55.53 | johnx | suihkulokki++ :D |
| 14:55.58 | suihkulokki | s/johnx/baaba |
| 14:56.02 | baaba | ooh nice, thanks |
| 14:57.17 | guysoft42 | johnx, which buttion is the home button? |
| 14:57.29 | disco_stu | app switcher |
| 14:57.37 | johnx | guysoft42, on an N810 it's the one with two squares |
| 14:58.34 | guysoft42 | johnx, ah wait, whats the swap button? |
| 14:58.51 | johnx | guysoft42, it has two squares |
| 14:59.17 | johnx | swap = home = app switcher = (n800 house) = (n810 squares) |
| 14:59.43 | guysoft42 | johnx, on the top? |
| 15:00.03 | johnx | maybe? I don't have an n810 to look at :) |
| 15:00.18 | guysoft42 | johnx, got it :) |
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| 15:00.43 | guysoft42 | johnx, thanks |
| 15:00.48 | johnx | sure :) |
| 15:01.07 | johnx | you get to answer the next person who asks :P |
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| 15:12.56 | guysoft42 | johnx, how do i get the video working on skype? |
| 15:13.10 | johnx | there is no video calling in skype on the tablets |
| 15:13.22 | johnx | in fact there's no video calling in skype on linux :) |
| 15:14.34 | Meiz_n810 | Gizmo supports video calling :) |
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| 15:21.02 | guysoft42 | johnx, really? i thaught there was. so what i can use the camera for? |
| 15:21.20 | Myrtti | [17:13] < johnx> in fact there's no video calling in skype on linux :) |
| 15:21.21 | Myrtti | huh |
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| 15:21.28 | Myrtti | well I must have been dreaming then |
| 15:21.37 | johnx | Myrtti, ah, did they add it? |
| 15:21.48 | Myrtti | I swear I talked to my boyfriend last night with webcams |
| 15:21.58 | johnx | hasn't used skype on the desktop in a *long* time |
| 15:22.21 | johnx | guysoft42, google talk between tablets, gpscamera, gizmo calls, videocamera, motion detection |
| 15:22.31 | Myrtti | johnx: it's about the only crossplatform voip app that works with webcams |
| 15:22.55 | guysoft42 | johnx, how come? after all skype on linux has camera support |
| 15:23.08 | Myrtti | and with this I mean Linux x86/x86_64, Windows, Mac OS X |
| 15:23.15 | johnx | well hey, I was wrong about desktops :) |
| 15:23.32 | johnx | but the tablet is probably a lack of processing power (or laziness on skype's part) |
| 15:24.19 | johnx | yeah, last time I used it on a desktop was probably more than a year ago, which would explain a lot... |
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| 15:26.11 | Myrtti | we've tried empathy/telepathy/ekiga god knows what |
| 15:26.30 | Myrtti | and what remains is that skype unfortunately has the best success rate |
| 15:26.42 | johnx | yeah, I gave up on video a long time ago, but I use skype audio chat on my tablet all the time |
| 15:29.15 | guysoft42 | johnx, is there any application you would recommend me to download? is there a software repository i should add? |
| 15:29.34 | johnx | you should go to http://downloads.maemo.org/ |
| 15:29.38 | johnx | lots of great stuff |
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| 15:30.04 | johnx | I recommend canola for music, omweather, quicknote and personal menu |
| 15:30.32 | guysoft42 | yay. apt-get moo works :) |
| 15:31.17 | qwerty12 | guysoft42, cowsay ftw :P |
| 15:31.33 | guysoft42 | um, whats the superuser pass? |
| 15:31.42 | johnx | it's locked |
| 15:31.42 | qwerty12 | ~root-access |
| 15:31.43 | infobot | root-access is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 15:31.44 | johnx | ~rootsh |
| 15:31.45 | infobot | i guess rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 15:32.03 | johnx | tips his hat to qwerty12 of the fast typing |
| 15:32.13 | guysoft42 | infobot, no root? :( .. but i am the owner.. |
| 15:32.36 | qwerty12 | johnx, You'd have beat me if you didn't say it was locked :) |
| 15:33.08 | guysoft42 | how do i get that? |
| 15:33.33 | johnx | you click on one of the links |
| 15:33.36 | johnx | pick one :) |
| 15:33.54 | qwerty12 | psst, rootsh (I give it my personal seal of approval ;P) |
| 15:34.32 | johnx | psst, if you don't pick rootsh qwerty12 will cry. :D |
| 15:34.39 | qwerty12 | :D |
| 15:34.55 | qwerty12 | I like the rootsh & sudser combo |
| 15:36.15 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I've hildonised roxterm btw. I'll move it from extras-devel into extras later. |
| 15:37.36 | woglinde | qwerty whats the feature of roxterm? |
| 15:39.19 | qwerty12 | woglinde, nothing really. osso-xterm is vastly superior on the tablets, but osso-xterm messes up with the deblet installer etc. Plus with roxterm, hardware presses actually get sent to the application (e.g pressing minus button in osso-xterm zooms out, pressing minus button in roxterm which has htop open reduces nice value of a process) |
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| 15:49.37 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: geat :) |
| 15:49.38 | Stskeeps | great |
| 15:50.57 | qwerty12 | Just need to fix some bugs :) |
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| 15:57.55 | perseus__ | Does maemo not mount partition according to the fstab? The reason I ask is that in my /etc/fstab file it says to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 to /media/mmc1 but that device gets mountd to /media/mmc2 |
| 15:58.12 | perseus__ | I have a n810 and therefore the mmcblk0p1 is the internal partition 1 |
| 15:58.32 | johnx | correct. maemo doesn't mount according to fstab |
| 15:58.41 | perseus__ | johnx - what does it mount according to |
| 15:58.53 | johnx | some scripts stashed somewhere |
| 15:59.08 | qwerty12 | dpkg -L ke-recv |
| 15:59.21 | johnx | qwerty12++ |
| 15:59.22 | disco_stu | ~extrad-devel |
| 15:59.26 | disco_stu | ~extras-devel |
| 15:59.27 | infobot | [extras-devel] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel |
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| 16:01.26 | qwerty12 | Grr, nautilus really needs to not crash when you open a tab and that results in a error |
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| 16:02.53 | ron1n | I really wish the tablets came with xrandr |
| 16:03.29 | qwerty12 | It's planned in Fremantle : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 |
| 16:03.41 | ron1n | you think they're useful when you get debian on them, and then when you use xrandr its a whole different story |
| 16:04.11 | Stskeeps | ron1n: there's rotation kernels and patches, though |
| 16:04.33 | ron1n | Stskeeps, I know, I'm using it now on my friends n800 =] |
| 16:04.58 | ron1n | I just didn't even think about it until I came across it on the interweb |
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| 16:05.20 | ron1n | now that I've tried it, it makes things like menus so much more useful =] |
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| 16:07.15 | Stskeeps | has been fiddling with a n95 the latest days |
| 16:07.19 | Stskeeps | absolutely hated the interface |
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| 16:07.35 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, really? I quite happen to like S60 |
| 16:08.00 | qwerty12 | johnx, if you really want boxfs, I guess I can be persuaded to run dh_make :P |
| 16:08.18 | johnx | honestly, I probably wouldn't use it |
| 16:08.27 | johnx | I compiled it once and never touched it |
| 16:08.33 | ron1n | I have one =D |
| 16:08.35 | qwerty12 | Same, I don't have a box :P. |
| 16:08.37 | ron1n | N95 8GB |
| 16:09.07 | johnx | without a 3G connection I don't really grab big files while away from home |
| 16:09.41 | ron1n | one word, buggy. Very buggy. After a couple of firmware flashes its pretty stable, but before that it was pretty unstable. |
| 16:09.58 | ron1n | I was an early adopter, so I don't have 3G in the states |
| 16:10.06 | ron1n | but if I ever make a eurotrip I will =P |
| 16:10.21 | qwerty12 | remembers the film and grins |
| 16:10.41 | ron1n | not an issue though, a is stands now 3G coverage is crap where I live |
| 16:10.50 | ron1n | much less when I bought it back in Feb |
| 16:10.58 | johnx | ah well, my *phone* has 3G, but it doesn't like to talk to my devices :/ |
| 16:11.10 | johnx | and I don't want it it to since my data plan is not unlimited |
| 16:11.35 | ron1n | I have an unlimited data plan with AT&T, the rates where quite resonable |
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| 16:17.08 | Stskeeps | ponders what decent data plans are in these days |
| 16:17.46 | qwerty12 | Heh, last time I talked to my friend in CPH, he said prepay is expensive :P |
| 16:18.34 | vincenzo88 | Goodbye everybody ;=) |
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| 16:22.09 | Stskeeps | i just kinda wonder cos my provider has like mobile broadband, for decent prices, which is data-only.. but it is not possible to link this to a phone, heh |
| 16:22.18 | Stskeeps | and the one able to do that,has insaneprices |
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| 16:40.55 | jagernot | my synth with menus and settings is ready |
| 16:41.03 | jagernot | somebody try pls? |
| 16:41.09 | jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar |
| 16:41.15 | jagernot | screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png |
| 16:41.23 | jagernot | features in this version: can select two scales pentatonic and blues from a menu; change BPM by using - and + buttons and select a strumming pattern by pressing the esc key (bottom left on the touch screen) |
| 16:41.40 | jagernot | quit by pressing home key and kill app from list. |
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| 16:43.02 | johnx | oooh you fixed the distorion bug |
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| 16:43.30 | jagernot | mostly fixed unless you decided to went haywire |
| 16:43.36 | jagernot | go* |
| 16:45.34 | woglinde | this will be become a nasty work |
| 16:46.02 | woglinde | merging xkbdir from old fedora core 5 and diablo |
| 16:46.16 | woglinde | but do not see another way |
| 16:46.51 | johnx | woglinde, and why are you doing that? |
| 16:47.22 | woglinde | johnx for nx stuff |
| 16:47.28 | johnx | aaah |
| 16:47.35 | johnx | yeah, I never had good luck with it |
| 16:47.48 | woglinde | loading nokia.xkm file segfaults the nxagent |
| 16:47.48 | johnx | I always started playing and never had it work |
| 16:47.54 | woglinde | hm mom |
| 16:47.59 | woglinde | I got an idea |
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| 16:48.24 | woglinde | if I remeber correct I can set xkbdir path on the commandline |
| 16:48.34 | woglinde | let me check this |
| 16:48.41 | woglinde | that could be a sort of rescue |
| 16:50.25 | perseus__ | Trying to use fanoush bootmenu to boot mamona off of the internal SD card. I setup my bootmenu.conf to boot from mmcblk0p1 but when I select that option from the menu it says boot failed. Is there anyway to diagnose why it failed? on the root / of mmcblk0p1 is there a certain file that it is looking for? |
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| 16:50.51 | johnx | /sbin/init I would imagine |
| 16:51.16 | perseus__ | johnx - ok..so there is not other way to determine why it says failed? |
| 16:51.48 | johnx | you could use the usb telnet built into bootmenu and step through the process manually |
| 16:52.45 | perseus__ | johnx - ok..didn't know that existed. So I just telnet into the tablet while the bootmenu is up? |
| 16:53.04 | johnx | read the instructions displayed on the screen. :) |
| 16:53.08 | perseus__ | k |
| 16:53.16 | johnx | hit menu (? I think) |
| 16:53.31 | johnx | then plug the tablet into your computer via usb |
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| 17:24.41 | Khertan_n810 | Hello ! |
| 17:25.51 | johnx | hi |
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| 17:26.05 | Khertan_n810 | i ve uploaded to extras repository pychecker :) |
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| 17:26.36 | johnx | sorry, what is pychecker? |
| 17:26.51 | Khertan_n810 | pychecker.sourceforge.net |
| 17:27.07 | qwerty12 | Nice, thanks! :) |
| 17:27.14 | Khertan_n810 | a tool to check some common mistake in python code |
| 17:27.40 | Khertan_n810 | i m testing the package to see if all is ok |
| 17:28.09 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... not extras but extras-devel |
| 17:28.31 | qwerty12 | It can always be moved :P |
| 17:28.52 | Khertan_n810 | yep but need test before |
| 17:28.54 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:29.01 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 17:29.32 | qwerty12 | Need to finish off little bits and I'll upload hildonised roxterm soon (yes, I know I said this an hour ago :P) |
| 17:29.48 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 17:30.06 | Khertan_n810 | what is the interested thing in roxterm ? |
| 17:30.10 | Khertan_n810 | i don t know it |
| 17:30.23 | Stskeeps | it's slightly less crap than osso-xterm |
| 17:30.26 | qwerty12 | <qwerty12> nothing really. osso-xterm is vastly superior on the tablets, but osso-xterm messes up with the deblet installer etc. Plus with roxterm, hardware presses actually get sent to the application (e.g pressing minus button in osso-xterm zooms out, pressing minus button in roxterm which has htop open reduces nice value of a process) |
| 17:30.54 | disco_stu | i used roxterm |
| 17:31.04 | disco_stu | only think i liked where tabs |
| 17:31.36 | qwerty12 | yeah, Stskeeps installs it with deblet. The only reason I put it initially in extras-devel was for that purpose |
| 17:32.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, note about hildon-desktop in m-r: it doesn't contain /usr/bin/hildon-desktop |
| 17:36.09 | johnx | anyways, time for me to sleep |
| 17:36.11 | johnx | 'night all |
| 17:36.33 | qwerty12 | night johnx |
| 17:37.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: that's funny |
| 17:38.12 | Stskeeps | i'll look into that |
| 17:38.34 | johnx | ok, I'll leave it to rebuild overnight here and see if I see anything interesting in the output |
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| 17:40.59 | Meizirkki | Where goes the line between mojo and maemo-reconstructed? |
| 17:41.37 | Meizirkki | If i am using mojo project with m-r:s boot packages can i say i am using maemo-reconstructed? |
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| 17:45.28 | Stskeeps | hehe.. good question |
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| 17:45.37 | Stskeeps | right now it's just a proof of concept so nothing |
| 17:45.41 | Stskeeps | 's sure |
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| 17:46.19 | Meizirkki | Maemo Reconstructed still sounds a lot cooler :) |
| 17:47.52 | Meizirkki | is trying to play with hasty-armv6el in qemu |
| 17:49.03 | Meizirkki | Mojo guys have released their images for armv6el |
| 17:50.53 | disco_stu | johnx: do you have a clue on where lies the wifi antenna on the n800 ? |
| 17:51.43 | Meiz_n810 | top border i would guess |
| 17:52.02 | disco_stu | i can guess too, but need precise location |
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| 17:56.58 | qwerty12 | disco_stu, This precise enough: http://i33.tinypic.com/2d0mbfb.png ;) |
| 17:58.39 | disco_stu | :) thats the reason i asked you |
| 17:58.39 | disco_stu | thanks |
| 17:58.39 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 18:01.48 | guysoft42 | er - what to do if the device gets stuck> |
| 18:02.07 | Meizirkki | stuck how? |
| 18:05.48 | hahlobit | must say that sshd is useful, can log in to stucked diablo and close bad apps |
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| 18:08.35 | hahlobit | before had to remove battery |
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| 18:12.11 | xorAxAx | does anyone know whether/why not mojo(.handhelds.org) uses scratchbox like maemo? |
| 18:12.43 | xorAxAx | they say that they are not cross compiling but using a native (probably) debian env on qemu |
| 18:13.50 | GAN800 | They use real ARM hardware |
| 18:14.04 | Proteous | my n810 is stuck |
| 18:14.45 | Proteous | I think it's a combo of peanutbutter and bubblegum |
| 18:15.15 | AngieQ | mine has gotten stuck before but i just held the power button to shutdown |
| 18:15.29 | AngieQ | then rebooted |
| 18:16.07 | hahlobit | how long you have press the button? |
| 18:16.37 | Proteous | how long you got? |
| 18:18.10 | hahlobit | 4sek didn't help |
| 18:18.11 | hahlobit | but removing battery helps |
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| 18:19.18 | disco_stu | hahlobit: could you ssh into it ? |
| 18:19.30 | hahlobit | yes |
| 18:19.36 | disco_stu | well |
| 18:19.38 | disco_stu | init 6 |
| 18:19.46 | disco_stu | is better than removin the battery |
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| 18:20.45 | hahlobit | thats why i said sshd is useful, didn't have to even reboot just close browser |
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| 18:21.12 | disco_stu | alright |
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| 18:27.02 | brphelps | Why is there only a 32-bit maemo SDK, is there binary only blobs? |
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| 18:33.23 | akshay | hello everyone, this is my first time here and I have a battery management question for the maemo platform |
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| 18:33.52 | disco_stu | akshay: shoot the boys will answer ya |
| 18:33.55 | akshay | I have searched and searched but I don't know any function calls that will allow me to query battery life remaining or say battery voltage usage |
| 18:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | akshay, adv-power? |
| 18:34.23 | akshay | is that a package |
| 18:34.26 | qwerty12 | akshay, re battery life remaining, that can be obtained from dbus |
| 18:34.31 | qwerty12 | s/from/via |
| 18:34.57 | akshay | Antilles, what about voltage monitoring. |
| 18:35.25 | brphelps | Hi all, is there only a 32-bit maemo SDK? |
| 18:35.28 | akshay | I have never used dbus before is there a direct call available? |
| 18:35.36 | disco_stu | akshay: http://nitapps.com/ |
| 18:35.39 | RST38h | General: Can we please changed Educational to Education? |
| 18:36.10 | RST38h | General: KotCzarny noticed it today - it is the only adjective among nouns on the category list |
| 18:36.14 | madhav | did anyone get strace on arm running..? |
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| 18:36.39 | qwerty12 | madhav, it's in the sdk repo. |
| 18:37.36 | madhav | ok |
| 18:38.33 | akshay | disco: say nitapps already, even viewed the python code |
| 18:38.59 | akshay | I guess I was more interested in finding battery energy usage |
| 18:39.07 | akshay | I have no leads yet on how to do that |
| 18:39.36 | akshay | disco: seen not say, sorry about that |
| 18:40.18 | qwerty12 | akshay, if this does what you want (run it as root) : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/kcbatt , then look at : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/kcbatt.c |
| 18:40.46 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I thought it was Education. |
| 18:40.48 | lcuk2 | karate chops qwerty12's new power adapter |
| 18:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | It was last time I checked, anyway. |
| 18:41.08 | qwerty12 | lcuk2, lol :P. This one works brilliant, ac-5x ftw :P |
| 18:41.44 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, hrm, yeah, I completely missed that. |
| 18:41.45 | lcuk2 | lol, you need to get nokia to supply you one with a soldered on chainlink charger |
| 18:42.42 | qwerty12 | heh |
| 18:42.47 | RST38h | General: I almost fixed it this morning but then saw that some translations also have it this way |
| 18:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I changed it. |
| 18:43.43 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody will need to review the translations. . . . |
| 18:46.49 | akshay | qwerty: thanks, I am looking into it |
| 18:47.22 | Stskeeps | akshay: lshal |
| 18:47.48 | brphelps | I'd really like to install the SDK on a 64 bit machine without a VM, is that possible |
| 18:47.53 | brphelps | ? |
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| 18:51.25 | akshay | stskeeps: thanks, this is great! It shows the battery voltage as well. Should I be looking at the hal database api to get these values? |
| 18:54.22 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, chinook hildonised roxterm in extras-devel. Waiting for diablo one to be built... (I also took the liberty of updating roxterm to 1.13) |
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| 19:24.22 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/13/darpa_aware_ware_srs_go/ |
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| 19:26.29 | LinuxCode | now lets attach nuclear weapons to that thing and death will be more swift |
| 19:26.51 | LinuxCode | there has to be some sort of population control |
| 19:27.04 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 19:27.07 | RST38h | no |
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| 19:27.40 | RST38h | Attaching nuclear weapons will prevent hunting humans with lasers in urban theater unrealistic |
| 19:28.23 | RST38h | The Really Good Solution will actually hunt humans for energy and spare parts |
| 19:28.32 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 19:28.38 | LinuxCode | god you hate people dont you ? |
| 19:29.11 | RST38h | Not really, why? |
| 19:29.15 | RST38h | just likes a good show |
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| 19:29.37 | LinuxCode | RST38h, haha |
| 19:29.42 | LinuxCode | "show" |
| 19:29.52 | LinuxCode | De you filthy humans! Die! |
| 19:29.56 | LinuxCode | Die |
| 19:31.45 | RST38h | There is a joke about a little girl playing in a sandbox, tearing the head off the teddy bear |
| 19:32.11 | RST38h | A passerby asks: What are you doing, girl? Don't you like animals? |
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| 19:32.51 | RST38h | And the girl answers: Well, I don't even like the humans... |
| 19:33.19 | disco_stu | RST38h: is not funny |
| 19:33.31 | deejoe | blinks |
| 19:34.49 | disco_stu | anyone used Tor in the nit ? |
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| 19:40.49 | brphelps | Is alsa available for the n770? |
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| 19:42.46 | disco_stu | brphelps: dunno |
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| 19:43.25 | brphelps | I have an app I'd like to port that uses alsa and fftw, is there a libfftw port? |
| 19:45.17 | brphelps | Has anyone here written code for the DSP core in the OMAP? |
| 19:45.33 | lcuk2 | im sure some people have |
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| 19:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | Like, say, lardman|gone. |
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| 19:56.25 | lcuk2 | yeah, but since hes |gone it wasnt fulfilling his query |
| 19:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | It may at a later date, though. |
| 19:57.00 | lcuk2 | ahhh, if we are answering like that, lets put qwerty forward then, hes gonna get his fingers in that pie one day |
| 19:57.05 | lcuk2 | ;) |
| 19:57.44 | lcuk2 | i was gonna mention lardman anyway, but brphelps seems to have run away |
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| 19:58.15 | GeneralAntilles | Damn, left my Firewire 800 cable down south. . . . |
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| 20:00.12 | brphelps | lcuck2: I'm here |
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| 20:02.03 | lcuk2 | what do you want the dsp for (im just nosey, i dont know anything about it myself) |
| 20:03.05 | lcuk2 | actually, nm im goin |
| 20:03.06 | lcuk2 | bbl |
| 20:04.06 | brphelps | need fft of audio data for analysis |
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| 20:16.22 | brphelps | When I try to install maemo sdk I get E: Add user with '/home/brphelps/sb2/sbin/sbox_adduser brphelps' |
| 20:16.33 | brphelps | but I can't find /sbox_adduser brphelps |
| 20:16.37 | brphelps | but I can't find /sbox_adduser |
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| 20:54.41 | Meiz_n810 | hmm, strange problem with xorg |
| 20:55.03 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 20:55.17 | Meiz_n810 | n810 hw keyboard does not work |
| 20:55.19 | Meiz_n810 | at all |
| 20:55.22 | Meiz_n810 | i have gnome installed |
| 20:55.43 | Meiz_n810 | not even the enter key |
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| 20:58.09 | Stskeeps | probably something to deal with HAL or alikes.. note it as a bug i guess |
| 20:58.26 | Meiz_n810 | it worked before.. |
| 20:58.38 | Meiz_n810 | at least enter key |
| 21:00.21 | Meiz_n810 | when i start xorg, first comes up a little screen that contains all that text i have tried to type... Then the xorg comes up and keyboard stops woring |
| 21:00.27 | Meiz_n810 | *working |
| 21:01.25 | Meiz_n810 | i should start all over again... i don't like gnome... too heavy |
| 21:01.59 | Meiz_n810 | are there lxde packages for mojo somewhere? |
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| 21:06.15 | Stskeeps | possibly |
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| 22:01.39 | ds3 | After 4 weeks of usage, Diablo on the N800 is crap. The problems outweigh the fixes over chinook :( |
| 22:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | Bull |
| 22:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds more like your install is broken. |
| 22:04.23 | ds3 | There are too many things scattered all over - bluetooth keyboard stopped working; Modest is loosing mail (same POP account is viewed elsewhere and it is in the pop account), I can name more |
| 22:05.11 | ds3 | looks like it is not just me on the BT keyboard - there is a thread on it on ITT |
| 22:05.21 | GeneralAntilles | Mine works fine |
| 22:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | Did you restore a backup? |
| 22:05.28 | ds3 | nope |
| 22:05.44 | ds3 | flash the image and installed the updates online |
| 22:05.51 | Myrtti | meh, I'm just getting frustrated with people complainin about their problems with chinook and diablo, while I still have 770 with OS2007HE2 |
| 22:05.55 | Myrtti | :-/ |
| 22:06.30 | LinuxCode | Myrtti, let the complain a bit longer then buy a n900 |
| 22:06.37 | LinuxCode | them* |
| 22:07.20 | Myrtti | LinuxCode: nah, if it has hardware keyboard it's pretty useless to me |
| 22:07.37 | Myrtti | I've been lurking behind my friends back if he would sell me his old n800 |
| 22:07.39 | Stskeeps | should really follow a bit up on the 770 deblet, just haven't found the time.. |
| 22:07.40 | Myrtti | then I'd be happy |
| 22:07.40 | LinuxCode | Myrtti, then you wont be buying any new Nxxx device |
| 22:07.51 | Myrtti | LinuxCode: nope |
| 22:07.57 | Myrtti | LinuxCode: perfectly aware of that |
| 22:08.12 | LinuxCode | in fact..I think there wont be any device without a hardware keybaord soon |
| 22:08.15 | LinuxCode | not just nokia |
| 22:08.27 | ds3 | it is very frustrating with all these regressions in diablo |
| 22:08.35 | Stskeeps | would like a hw keyboard, but not like n810's |
| 22:08.37 | LinuxCode | stuff is getting so small.... they need new ways to make up the space |
| 22:08.45 | Stskeeps | slide out touchscreen however.. |
| 22:08.50 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, why not ? |
| 22:08.56 | LinuxCode | I find it very usable |
| 22:09.07 | Stskeeps | too much use will hurt my wrists insanely |
| 22:09.32 | LinuxCode | hmmm |
| 22:10.28 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind something like the thumb/finger keyboard popping up on a slide out touchscreen, so you can adjust layouts, do tricks with two displays, etc |
| 22:11.07 | Myrtti | the hardware keyboard Finnish layout isn't as faithful to the original as I'd like it to be, and I'm also multilingual and lend my apparatus to my foreign friends - hardware keyboard is something that adds up to the price in comparison to n800 with less functionality - easier to break when dropping or getting guinea pig hair, wool lint or crisp bread crackers in between :-P |
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| 22:11.29 | Myrtti | I'm an awful person, I know. |
| 22:11.50 | Stskeeps | you lend your 770 to your guinea pig? |
| 22:11.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:12.59 | Myrtti | no, but I do use my 770 when holding them... |
| 22:13.01 | Myrtti | :-P |
| 22:13.29 | Myrtti | though I did consider for a while that if I'd get n800, I'd lend it to them to use as a cavycam |
| 22:13.32 | Myrtti | :-D |
| 22:13.52 | Myrtti | then the whole family would be networked :-P |
| 22:15.41 | ds3 | anyone know if the Linux flasher will do the right thing if I give it a chinook fiasco image to flash a device that has diablo on it? |
| 22:16.30 | qwerty12_N800 | yes. even windows flasher lets you downgrade |
| 22:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | can't imagine why anybody would want to. |
| 22:19.20 | Stskeeps | has learnt to accept diablo, but is using claws instead of modest now, and think things are going in the right direction |
| 22:19.50 | GeneralAntilles | Compared to Chinook? |
| 22:19.52 | GeneralAntilles | I just don't get it. |
| 22:19.55 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook was slow and shitty |
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| 22:21.47 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't go back to chinook though as all the progress happens in diablo, and extras being sane is a good thing |
| 22:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you go back to Chinook? |
| 22:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo is better than Chinook for me in every way possible. |
| 22:23.30 | guysoft42 | is there a way to get xchat on N810? |
| 22:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | guysoft42, install it from Extras-devel. |
| 22:24.03 | guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, is there a simple way to add repos? |
| 22:24.17 | GAN800 | ~extras |
| 22:24.18 | infobot | from memory, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 22:24.19 | Stskeeps | you only really need two, extras and optionally extras-devel |
| 22:24.31 | GAN800 | with the .install there |
| 22:24.40 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: did roxterm get added+ |
| 22:24.41 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 22:25.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, it's in extras-devel yet. i decided to leave it until it's been tested properly. |
| 22:26.29 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42, open http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/install/xchat.install with the browser on the tablet |
| 22:26.55 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: k, removing from deblet repo then |
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| 22:27.51 | Stskeeps | eh, seems like i've already removed it |
| 22:27.55 | qwerty12_N800 | it's working fine for me so i'll promote it in a couple of days |
| 22:28.13 | Stskeeps | this a hildonization of an earlier extras devel version? |
| 22:28.21 | qwerty12_N800 | yep |
| 22:28.23 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:28.33 | ds3 | cuz Diablo is buggy for my usage |
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| 22:28.48 | qwerty12_N800 | i've learnt the basics after fucking around with transmission |
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| 22:29.00 | Stskeeps | then zenity is last on my list that isn't bootmenu or deblet installer |
| 22:29.06 | ds3 | it cost me about 6 hours of debugging to figure out how diablo broke basic static IP address networking and to assemble a workaround |
| 22:29.29 | ds3 | then there is the odd behavior of modest loosing mail; and now bluetooth keyboard doesn't work |
| 22:30.23 | ds3 | while it is true the microb in diablo is a lot better, web browsing is only part of the tablet functionality I need |
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| 22:32.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hrm Bundyo says zenity is a straight compile, i could package that when i get the time? |
| 22:32.17 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, thanks :) |
| 22:32.27 | qwerty12_N800 | np :) |
| 22:32.33 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright |
| 22:32.34 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, i seem to have a long way to go.. |
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| 22:33.09 | Stskeeps | by the time you've fiddled enough around with the tablet, you're addicted, and it's too late |
| 22:33.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:34.00 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 22:34.37 | Stskeeps | bought his after lurking in here for a while, playing around with it at work, and seeing it on a conference |
| 22:34.52 | Stskeeps | .. and dragging around a heavy laptop for 5 days in hong kong |
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| 22:37.25 | qwerty12_N800 | bought it after seeing kismet & kde running on it. i used kde once & kismet takes a long while :p |
| 22:37.25 | Guysoft422 | is now on his n810 |
| 22:38.15 | ds3 | under chinook, I had things working well enough that it was doing 85-90% of what i needed a laptop for; only thing it couldn't do was serve as a mobile cross compile platform (lack CPU power) |
| 22:38.34 | ds3 | now under diablo, that things barely useful...ARRG :( |
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| 22:40.38 | Stskeeps | ds3: then how do your tablet wish-OS look like? from system level |
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| 22:41.14 | ds3 | Stskeeps: system level? as in kernel features or higher up? |
| 22:41.16 | GAN800 | Speak English much good? :p |
| 22:41.48 | Navi | GAN800: no i not very good at english |
| 22:42.06 | Navi | pleas don't make fun me :( |
| 22:42.28 | GAN800 | Hey! Listen! |
| 22:42.29 | Stskeeps | ds3: well, anything you'd like to see improvement in, i guess |
| 22:42.34 | Guysoft422 | is there a way to install fonts for other languages on maemo? |
| 22:42.42 | Navi | GAN800: I refuse to listen, and I choose to hey. |
| 22:43.13 | qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, It is possible, what language? |
| 22:44.33 | ds3 | Stskeeps: well, things actually work; a ligher weight browser (or one that gives me more knobs to turn off javascript/flash features); a more configurable network manager; ability to export WiFi back overbluetooth; native A2DP support; proper Vorbis support |
| 22:45.13 | ds3 | and consistantly larger screen controls so a stylus isn't needed. Graffiti input would be a plus |
| 22:45.19 | Guysoft422 | qwert |
| 22:45.42 | Stskeeps | ds3: wifi back over bluetooth isn't impossible though. that'd be NAT at most and PAN |
| 22:46.02 | Guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, hebrew |
| 22:46.11 | Stskeeps | configurable network manager we can probably agree on, but have you been fighting with NetworkManager recently? :P |
| 22:46.21 | Guysoft422 | btw, is there a way to do tab here? |
| 22:46.23 | Stskeeps | lightweight.. Tear, or Midori |
| 22:46.40 | ds3 | actually, the networkmanager stuff is the FIRST thing I fought with on diablo |
| 22:46.48 | GAN800 | hebrew is in Extras |
| 22:47.05 | Stskeeps | when i saw NetworkManager i mean the one from normal linux. ICD = nokia's |
| 22:47.11 | ds3 | my wifi setup is a 10.x.x.x/24 using static addresses and that does not work under the current stuff; it ignores the netmask |
| 22:47.18 | qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, Well, there is a package in extras called... wait for it... hebrew :p |
| 22:47.21 | ds3 | oops, I meant fighting with ICD then |
| 22:48.29 | Guysoft422 | what about the tab? |
| 22:48.29 | Stskeeps | ds3: you have any interest in the system architecture then? if we look below ui surface though |
| 22:48.41 | Stskeeps | Guysoft422: you mean nick completion or tabs? :P |
| 22:49.00 | Guysoft422 | yep |
| 22:49.14 | qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, No idea sorry, i don't know about tab on n810 keyboard except that it is weird to do :p |
| 22:49.20 | Guysoft422 | or anywhere else for that matter |
| 22:49.23 | ds3 | Stskeeps: the lower level stuff is what I am most familiar with... |
| 22:49.39 | Guysoft422 | brb restart |
| 22:50.30 | Stskeeps | ds3: a bit of balant advertising then, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , - feel free to contribute proposals / changes / ideas etc on the talk page |
| 22:51.37 | ds3 | Stskeeps: are you with Nokia? |
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| 22:51.56 | Stskeeps | ds3: nop, community |
| 22:52.53 | Stskeeps | doesn't mean we can't create proof of concepts and show to nokia that some changes would be viable for platform improvement |
| 22:53.02 | ds3 | Stskeeps: I should cool off a bit before doing any contributions; right now I am half way ready to toss out most of the Maemo stuff and replace it with my own like I did with the SLS stuff back in 92 |
| 22:53.51 | Stskeeps | ds3: hehe. i did Deblet, so i know some of the hardships - but, nokia is actually showing to be more and more open to changes |
| 22:54.44 | ds3 | Stskeeps: did you keep the Nokia kernel + the dsme for power management? |
| 22:54.55 | Stskeeps | ds3: for deblet, yeah |
| 22:54.55 | Guysoft422 | qwerty, then how do you complete names in IRC? |
| 22:55.08 | Stskeeps | ds3: OHM will come out sooner or later and that'd probably be a replacement |
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| 22:55.14 | Stskeeps | ds3: dsme is trivial to talk to so |
| 22:56.12 | Stskeeps | ds3: deblet was/is mostly an exersise to show alternative OS'es on tablets/environments are viable, but maemo are doing some right things in terms of power management |
| 22:56.16 | GAN800 | ds3, any relation to ds2? |
| 22:56.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, Type the first few letters of the name and press tab to cycle through. I don't know how you do tab on an N810 keyboard (N800 with osk here) |
| 22:57.13 | Stskeeps | and some of those tricks make less sense for typical desktop distros, until they start catching up with power saving on regular machines :P |
| 22:57.17 | Guysoft422 | osk? |
| 22:57.24 | ds3 | GAN800: same... different nicks since #maemo traffic is so high |
| 22:57.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, on screen keyboard |
| 22:57.42 | ds3 | Stskeeps: how long of a battery life can you get with deblet running? |
| 22:57.51 | GAN800 | Aah, right then. Thanks for the Beagle help. :) |
| 22:58.21 | Stskeeps | ds3: well, considering it's running a desktop system, 12 hours or so. nothing impressive really. |
| 22:58.27 | Stskeeps | 12 hours idle, that is |
| 22:58.47 | Stskeeps | still better than a laptop |
| 22:58.59 | Guysoft422 | strange, the hebrew keyboard only works on screen |
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| 22:59.39 | Stskeeps | Guysoft422: there's a keyboard layout thing in control panel probably? |
| 23:00.06 | Guysoft422 | yes, but it sets up only the osk |
| 23:00.54 | ds3 | Stskeeps: ah, so you didn't set it up to do all the idle things for PM? |
| 23:01.27 | Stskeeps | ds3: but basically we're trying to see what happens if we reconstruct maemo from bottom up with the software published, and which problems we run into if we try to base it on let's say, ubuntu minimal base, and try to build the system up around principles of power saving (.. upstart job descriptions, OHM, hibernating applications, etc) |
| 23:01.37 | Stskeeps | just the sleep while idle stuff and such from linux kernel |
| 23:01.40 | Stskeeps | (re PM) |
| 23:01.48 | Stskeeps | and wifi power saving |
| 23:02.00 | Stskeeps | DSME isn't that magic really |
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| 23:02.39 | ds3 | I am thinking more of all those little animations that a stock desktop likes to put up |
| 23:03.27 | Stskeeps | ah - well we didn't experiment so much with that in deblet, initial goal was to get a sane debian system going, which we did |
| 23:03.43 | Stskeeps | but also inherited the power usage of a debian desktop system |
| 23:03.57 | ds3 | gotcha |
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| 23:04.42 | Guysoft422 | stskeeps, that sounds alot like how they built the ubuntu flavor of OLPC |
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| 23:04.51 | ds3 | I doubt it would be well received but I would like to see stuff like dbus go away and just have a tighter coupling, prehaps with more of a binary protocol |
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| 23:06.03 | Stskeeps | well considering how little dbus messages fly around and that we're dealing with at least a 166mhz machine, it's probably good enough to have a more abstract view on the world like dbus |
| 23:06.20 | Stskeeps | for flexibility |
| 23:07.32 | Stskeeps | which is something maemo usually has going for it, it is a versatile platform, but has its walls regarding some things |
| 23:07.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:07.40 | Stskeeps | walls/barriers |
| 23:08.02 | ds3 | it is still a process with a footprint |
| 23:08.42 | Stskeeps | i would really have preferred to see dbus as a kernel thing instead really.. i was quite inspired by the fast ipc possible with L4 for instance |
| 23:09.15 | Stskeeps | and dbus should be minimal obviously, - direct bloat doesn't belong in dbus :P |
| 23:10.08 | ds3 | I much rather see a direct usage of sockets instead |
| 23:10.18 | derf | The big problem with dbus is that if the server dies, all its clients die. |
| 23:10.32 | derf | Which means that upgrading dbus basically means rebooting. |
| 23:10.41 | ds3 | I can tolerate dbus just prefer otherwise |
| 23:10.57 | derf | Bringing the Linux experience one step closer to being just like Windows. |
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| 23:13.59 | Stskeeps | ds3: you could probably hack up your own ICD if you wanted.. patches for cx3110x exist to give the full wireless-tools |
| 23:14.10 | Stskeeps | ICD is "just" a dbus participant anyway |
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| 23:14.41 | Stskeeps | had NetworkManager going in Deblet, for instance |
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| 23:26.43 | Stskeeps | oh, i didn't know RSS reader was OSS |
| 23:26.44 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 23:26.52 | ds3 | Stskeeps: I know. |
| 23:27.31 | ds3 | I have done the swap in the kernel and shove your own app down the frame buffer thing already; have to make it a bit more useful |
| 23:28.51 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 23:28.56 | Stskeeps | i'm off to bed, bbl |
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