IRC log for #maemo on 20081111

00:00.10dmsupermanWell, I'd like something that leaves the entire front face open
00:00.16dmsupermanBut if not, at least the screen and stylux
00:00.19dmsupermanstylus*
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00:00.50dmsupermanSo I'm thinking if teh n800 can slip out of that silicone case easily
00:03.56cars___dmsuperman, I'm using an Otterbox for mine -- very safe, but it's not exactly pocket-friendly :)
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00:06.27johnxmine is pretty similar to this: http://www.vavolo.com/productdetails.asp,ProductID,3880,,.htm
00:06.49johnxyou can just unzip it and use the tablet normally
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01:29.00solcajohnx: the weird thing is that afaik you just open the watchdog device and keep writing every 10s
01:29.11johnxstill having problems with it?
01:29.55solcasorry I hit up-return and post the last entry :)
01:30.32johnxno prob
01:32.23solcajohnx: I have now maemo-r installed from the tarball, how I can installed the new updates?
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01:32.54johnxright now it's kind of a piece-by-piece method
01:33.25solcaand where are you posting the new stuff?
01:33.39johnxpackages compiled by stskeeps are at: http://trac.tspre.org/stskeeps and packages compiled by me are at http://trac.tspre.org/johnx/packages
01:33.54johnxwe're compiling from stage.maemo.org with as few changes as possible
01:34.15johnxwhich reminds me, I need to get hacking on osso-gnomevfs packaging
01:35.12solcaexcellent, will try those packages
01:35.38johnxit's not enough to have a desktop yet, just a good start at building more packages
01:36.45solcasure, X with a terminal is enough for me right now to test a working kernel
01:37.17johnxThere might not be a keymap in X yet
01:37.56johnxyou could set it up to give you a console over usb ethernet though
01:38.06johnxs/console/telnet session/
01:38.32solcaright now I'm at the console via the deblet rescue menu
01:38.37solcawhich is a good thing
01:38.54johnxah, I thought you were booting directly to rootfs
01:39.50solcaI haven't tried, I boot via bootmenu and then pressing the home key to get the rescue menu
01:40.05solcaand then the console
01:40.52Mouseyresearches canola+daap
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01:44.17Mouseycomes up empty
01:44.21Mouseycries
01:44.22Mousey;_;
01:44.30johnxwow...that was some fast research
01:44.38Mouseyi'm that good
01:45.00johnxcanola+upnp works well enough, but it doesn't cope that well with a couple thousand songs
01:45.10MouseyCanola doesn't support any Daap Authentication Method.
01:45.15Mouseyas of 12-13-2006
01:45.29Mouseyyah, i've used it with mythtv
01:45.34Mouseyworks really well
01:45.35Mouseybut
01:45.42Mouseydaap would be the nice
01:45.48Mouseystupid self correcting spelling
01:46.06johnxwhat uses daap again? is it itunes?
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01:54.04Mouseyand those little music server thigns you plug in
01:54.27johnxI wouldn't buy a music server unless it ran Linux :)
01:55.10johnxor maybe os x
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02:08.20solcawtf: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
02:08.22solca?
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02:08.38johnxhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
02:08.55johnxerr...well, that's not working either :/
02:09.02solca;)
02:09.07johnxit'll be back eventually I'm sure
02:19.13lcukhttp://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1024575&cid=25714077
02:20.02solcajohnx: are you compiling source packages from stage.maemo.org or from mojo?
02:20.11johnxstage.maemo.org
02:21.50solcaI understood that all packages was from mojo (ubuntu) and just some parts from maemo...
02:23.02johnxwell the base distribution is from mojo. Then the maemo GUI is pulled from stage.maemo.org
02:24.15solcathe mojo packages are recompiled or just installed directly from mojo to your tarball?
02:24.43johnxit's just a tarball of a mojo debootstrap
02:24.56johnxwith a couple things added to make it bootable
02:27.20solcajohnx: thx, now if I understand correctly the boot sequence: kernel->initfs->linuxrc->mmcblk0p2->linuxrc->/sbin/init ?
02:27.36johnxseems about right
02:27.45solcaok thx!
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02:34.18derfhttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5185504436.html
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02:54.48solcaany ideas what state 'MALF' means?
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05:01.04darkblue_Bhello - I have been away from this for a couple of months, forgive my dense questions.. I want to do a demo tomorrow with an http server of sone kind.. lighthttpd ?
05:02.51johnxlighthttpd is good
05:02.59johnxare you just serving static web pages?
05:04.44darkblue_Bhmm, I have some dojo toolkit pages
05:04.49darkblue_Bso its 'ajax'
05:05.02darkblue_Bthey are not php, if thats what you are asking
05:05.30darkblue_BI'm trying to remember how this works.. looking for my OS version
05:05.39darkblue_Bits fairly recently updated
05:05.43darkblue_BI am logged in as root
05:05.56darkblue_BI have some python scripts .. thats already installed and runninng
05:06.14darkblue_Bthe web pages call them on the python http server, on a seperate port
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05:10.15johnxI think apache2 and nginx are available as well if that doesn't end up working for you, but I've got to head out for now
05:10.17johnxgood luck
05:10.24darkblue_Bjohnx: I dont think I see a lighthttpd in the app mgr list on the N800.. which repo do I go it?
05:11.13darkblue_B.. to find it?
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05:13.15darkblue_BNokia-N800-23-14
05:14.03johnxhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23840&highlight=lighttpd&page=2
05:14.19darkblue_Blooking, thx
05:16.14darkblue_BI use sqlite3 from python, btw
05:16.18darkblue_Bto do this work
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05:20.47darkblue_Bjohnx: geez, that was easy.. it worked
05:20.57darkblue_Bphp there, even though I dont need it
05:21.06darkblue_Bnow to figure out where everything landed
05:21.20johnxdpkg -L packagename
05:21.41johnxglad it worked :)
05:21.45johnxheads out the door
05:22.20darkblue_B:-)
05:22.49darkblue_Bthank you
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07:19.58Sagehi, is it possible to install multiple packages (that do not have dependencies to each other) with single .install file on maemo 4.x?
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08:09.32X-Fademorning.
08:12.07RST38hmoo, XFade
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08:37.43SargunWait, can you upgrade the internal storage on the N810?
08:39.55aquatixSargun: not that i'm aware
08:40.09aquatixmaybe with some soldering
08:40.30X-FadeNo, forget about that.
08:41.00X-FadeUnless you are good at bga unsoldering and want to remove your cpu ;)
08:42.35SageBecause nobody said anything, I guess that nobody knows answer to my question? :)
08:43.15X-FadeSage, I don't think so.
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08:43.28X-FadeI think you need to create a meta package for that.
08:43.47Sargunheh...
08:44.39Sargunso I heard on ITT that some people have some sort of real time traffic for way finder map
08:44.43SageSo there is no ways to have single file install for multiple packages located in different repos.
08:44.47SargunI purchased a wayfinder license
08:44.54Sargunhow do I get real time traffic working?
08:45.28X-FadeSage: No. But multiple packages in different repos is about the worst thing you can have.
08:47.38X-FadeAs that sets you up for dependency hell.
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08:56.12SageIs it possible to create a meta package, e.g., meta.deb what installs also dependencies from repositories when installed? Or does that meta.deb also have to be in some repository?
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08:58.19X-FadeSage: Or you just upload all your packages to Extras and have non of these issues?
08:59.16inzSage, yes, the meta package must be in a repository
09:02.13SageSo it is as hard as I though :)
09:02.25Sagethx, for the informations.
09:03.44inzSage, just put the package in a/the repository
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10:50.59Meizirkki_n810M-R team?: does xorg packages in http://trac.tspre.org/m-r/incoming/ work. Touchscreen?
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10:56.20camel_liuhi, all
10:56.28Meizirkki_n810hi
10:56.54camel_liuI'm trying to install gst-plugins-bad in scratchbox.
10:57.04camel_liuI met a problem
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10:59.47camel_liuI installed swfdec lib, but gst-plugins-bad's configure seems to be unaware of the installed swfdec lib. When configure finish, the plugins' list of will not be built always includes swfdec.
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11:01.39camel_liuthe same with timidity, but different with wildmidi. When I installed wildmidi lib, it will be move to the list of 'will be built'.
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11:09.00JaffaMorning, all
11:10.20Meizirkki_n810good evening ;)
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11:55.26johnxMeizirkki_n810, those should work, yes
12:05.13StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: go for the ones johnx has
12:05.17Stskeepsi think
12:05.43johnxStskeeps, I didn't even see those ones built for m-r when I built mine
12:05.52johnxI'm sure mine aren't any better and possibly worse
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12:07.02Stskeepswell yours definately work;)
12:07.11RST38hA survey has shown that almost half of Brits haven't got a clue how to use the possessive apostrophe correctly, with the most common lapse being the inability to "punctuate a possessive plural"
12:07.13RST38hHehe
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12:32.31johnxStskeeps, random thought about osso-gnomevfs and "Provides: "
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12:35.49johnxtrying to find out if "Provides: foo" provides a specific version or just foo in general
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12:35.57lcukRST38h, where's this survey result page. it sounds' like fun
12:37.03StsN800johmx, thats a good question
12:37.14lcukStskeeps, how much faster is beagle vs n8x0?
12:37.18johnxyeah, looks like provides: doesn't provide a specific version
12:37.39StsN800omap3 vs omap2, 600mhz i think
12:38.26lcuki dont mean mhz, i mean usable speed differences - if it feasible to run office etc natively without a 5 minute startup time and stuff
12:38.43StsN800lcuk, no clue
12:38.59StsN800didnt get a screen on it yet
12:39.11lcukahhhh
12:39.48johnxso the other question about osso-gnomevfs2 is: Is it really a drop in replacement for the real gnomevfs?
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12:40.10StsN800it does provide it
12:40.42StsN800and its based upon afaik
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12:41.26StsN800and has soname libgnomevfs
12:41.55johnxso we'll assume it's a drop in replacement unless something fails :)
12:41.58StsN800maybe a package rename is in order
12:42.20StsN800so logic starts working again
12:42.47johnxyeah, that's pretty icky, but I guess it's the same situation as gtk :/
12:44.10StsN800think we should ask sui, he might have a better solution
12:44.50johnxwe also might want to ask Nokia. osso-gnomevfs is a little old. they probably are planning to up to at least the current version for fremantle
12:45.13StsN800that too
12:47.45RST38hlcuk: No idea, but I guess the rule of thumb is to check the BBC =)
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12:50.21StsN800johnx, guess we can leave the problem for now and continue towards hildon
12:50.58StsN800since we.have it microdocumented we can return to it
12:51.20johnxfair enough. any suggestion for a compile to start before I head off to bed?
12:51.31johnxIt's requests hour :)
12:52.27lcukcould you compile me a list of open access bank account numbers with passwords?
12:52.30StsN800fix g_gnuc_function in gtkhtml to g_strfunc and compile i guess
12:52.44StsN800matter of search and replace
12:52.47lcukRST38h, the bbc is not better
12:53.10johnxthink I'll manage :)
12:53.17StsN800im in classes and work the next 8 hours so
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13:18.08RST38hlcuk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/11/apostrophe_abuse/
13:18.45RST38hdoesn't get it by the way. Why is it so hard for native speakers?
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13:21.28user__buongiorno a tutti
13:22.19proto1anyone tried synergy on  the n810?
13:24.19Meizirkki_n810Johnx: You got Xorg working? Do i have to mess with xorg.conf or orher files?
13:24.44johnxnope, just download the xorg.conf from http://trac.tspre.org/johnx/packages/x11/xorg.conf
13:25.04johnxyou need to run ts_calibrate before that though
13:26.01Meizirkki_n810can i copy pointercal from maemo?
13:26.09johnxerrr...maybe?
13:26.17johnxyeah, should work
13:26.29Meizirkki_n810ok, thanks :)
13:27.59StsN800and the ln -s fb0 fb
13:28.21johnx<3 distcc
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13:28.47Meizirkki_n810yep
13:29.51johnxheh...everyone is is using their tablet. I'm just compiling on mine :)
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13:34.08Meizirkki_n810i have compiled once
13:34.13Meizirkki_n810with my tablet
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13:34.44StsN800we should make omapfb use /dev/fb0 instead of /dev/fb
13:34.45Meizirkki_n810i compiled svn version of tablet-hw-n8x0-nonfree
13:35.05StsN800hehe. and its just a script
13:35.30Meizirkki_n810yep, and my compilation did not work ;J
13:35.57Meizirkki_n810no access to nokia files
13:36.09StsN800mm
13:36.13Meizirkki_n810when i just force-arch it, it works
13:37.01Meizirkki_n810it looks like xorg needs at least xfonts-base
13:37.10StsN800yeah
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13:39.13Meizirkki_n810but it is not dependanchy
13:39.23Meizirkki_n810need to install manually
13:39.53Meizirkki_n810anyway, now i finally got working ubuntu
13:40.01Meizirkki_n810no more segmentation faults
13:40.07Meizirkki_n810=)
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13:41.32StsN800yay
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13:44.14Meizirkki_n810if i install gdm does it start automatically when xorg starts
13:45.14Meizirkki_n810or when i run startx?
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13:48.00johnxit will run when you do: /etc/init.d/gdm start
13:48.44aquatixon debian that's done automagically
13:49.15Meizirkki_n810does that start xorg too?
13:50.23johnxMeizirkki_n810, yes
13:50.31Meizirkki_n810thanks
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13:55.29johnxgtkhtml wants gnomeui...
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14:01.27Stskeepseh.
14:01.55Stskeepsgtkhtml from trunk says especially that it does not have gnome dependancies
14:02.05johnxyeah, I'll try --without
14:02.16johnxafter all it's exactly the same gtkhtml as in diablo
14:05.59RST38hgtkhtml SHOULD NOT require gnome UI
14:06.22RST38hit's a widget after all
14:06.30Stskeepsjohnx: where on earth does it want it?
14:06.59Stskeepsin source?
14:07.01johnxit's configure script wants it, I'll try --without-gnomeui in a second, but I'm fighting with glade ATM
14:07.43Stskeepsk
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14:11.02Stskeepsweird though, didn't get that part
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14:16.24Stskeepsheh, i discovered something funny about iphones today.. people use the shiny backside to use as mirror instead
14:16.27Stskeeps:P
14:16.45johnxglade wins round one. I'm going to sleep. :P
14:17.00NaviEw
14:17.02NaviSleep
14:17.04NaviSleep is for the weak
14:17.08Stskeepsnini johnx
14:17.43johnxNavi, yeah, usually that's my line. :P
14:17.45johnx'night all
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14:19.48prez00hello
14:19.48Navinight
14:20.42prez00ever since latest update, my n800's email usinh imap stops updating, my browser gets stuck with an updating window and machine reboots randomly..
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14:22.09Stskeeps.ni?
14:22.39prez00nicaragua
14:22.41Stskeepsah
14:22.52Stskeepsprez00: you're running into Modest, it sounds like :P
14:23.10prez00suggestions?
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14:23.56Stskeepsnot really, i have same issue
14:24.50disco_stuprez00: hola nicaraguense
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14:24.52Meizirkkihttp://pastebin.com/d42d3f3e3
14:25.00Meizirkkixservder did not start
14:25.07Meizirkkixorg
14:25.24prez00right now i can't even open browser... i get an updating window in upper right corner...
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14:25.31RST38hSts: you do understand that a real man (tm) never uses a mirror except for shaving
14:25.34RST38h=)
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14:25.47StskeepsRST38h: this was a woman, too
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14:25.52RST38hSts: Ah
14:25.56prez00i killed browser and tried to restart, nothin
14:26.40StskeepsMeizirkki: try add Nokia-N810-23-14 to your /etc/hosts maybe
14:26.56Meizirkkiok
14:27.05Stskeepsjust 127.0.0.1
14:27.15MeizirkkiThere is nothing in /etc/hosts!
14:27.20Meizirkkiweird
14:27.22mgedminthere should be
14:27.24Stskeepsthat's probably an issue too
14:27.35Meizirkkicopy from maemo?
14:27.36Stskeeps127.0.0.1       localhost
14:27.37Stskeepsatleast
14:27.37mgedmin127.0.0.1 Nokia-N810-23-14 localhost
14:27.41Meizirkkiok
14:27.43Meizirkkithanks
14:27.44mgedminis the default content of that file
14:27.47Stskeepswhat mgedmin said
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14:30.01disco_stuif i create a swap partition in my mmc1, will maemo use it ?
14:30.34Meizirkkiyou can activate it by running "swapon <patrition>
14:30.36Stskeepsif you insert a swapon somewhere in your init script
14:30.37Stskeeps:P
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14:31.15disco_stuthen i wont be able to hotswap it, right ?
14:32.01Stskeepsyou'll have very interesting experiences if you do, yeah
14:32.36disco_stuand it will be added to the virtual memory already created in the control panel ?
14:32.43disco_stuwill it*
14:32.45Stskeepsmaybe
14:33.24disco_stulets check
14:33.49disco_stuwhat is the schema of partitions, here ?
14:34.08StskeepsmmcblkXpY
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14:34.52MeizirkkiXll won't work
14:34.52disco_stuthe swap is added
14:34.55disco_stunice
14:35.05Meizirkkii'll try johnx:s compilation
14:35.32Meizirkki*Xorg
14:36.10StskeepsMeizirkki: odd, may just be startx messing up though
14:36.25Stskeepstry X & ; export DISPLAY=:0; xmessage hi
14:36.30Meizirkkiok
14:36.31Stskeeps(with x11-utils on)
14:36.35Stskeepsthis in bootable or chroot?
14:36.42Meizirkkibootable
14:36.59Stskeepsk
14:36.59Meizirkkitrying to start it from telnet
14:37.13Stskeepsyou have pressed the three enters so the system keeps booting
14:37.14Stskeeps?
14:38.33Meizirkkiyep
14:38.42Stskeepsk
14:38.54Meizirkkiit shows this : xf86PciVideoInfo is not set
14:39.15MeizirkkiWait
14:39.26Stskeepsnormal, and fine, i believe
14:39.33Stskeepsn800's don't have pci
14:40.17MeizirkkiThe johnx:s xorg.conf seems to not be applied :P
14:40.25Stskeepsput it in /etc/X11?
14:41.23Meizirkkii downloaded it with wget when i was in that directory
14:41.39Meizirkkiand of cource wget named it xorg.conf.1
14:41.45Stskeepsah
14:44.19X-FadeDuh, AWACS plane flying low over my house..
14:44.46X-FadeThat bastard is loud.
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14:48.42aquatixX-Fade: they found you?
14:48.57X-FadeDon't take my tablet.. Please.....
14:49.02aquatixexpect helicopters next
14:49.11aquatix*g*
14:49.22X-Fadeaquatix: I'm used to those. Apache base 10km from my house ;)
14:49.37X-FadeAnd chinooks too.
14:49.53disco_stuX-Fade: i envy you
14:50.04aquatixdoesn't
14:50.12aquatixlikes some rest when at home
14:50.18X-Fadedisco_stu: Chinooks have a habit of dropping out of the sky..
14:50.24aquatixlol
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14:50.33aquatixsees enough helicopters at work
14:50.51disco_stuaquatix: where u work ?
14:51.53aquatixdisco_stu: dutch naval base
14:52.31disco_stuwow.. awsome
14:52.42disco_stus/awsome/awesome/
14:52.45X-Fadeaquatix: DH?
14:52.47aquatixsounds more interesting then it is ;)
14:52.50aquatixX-Fade: yeah
14:53.22X-Fadeaquatix: Not many other options ;)
14:53.25Stskeeps.nl has a naval fleet? :P houseboats? :P
14:53.40aquatixX-Fade: ;)
14:53.47aquatixStskeeps: ghehehe
14:54.00aquatixlooks at a submarine in the drydock
14:54.26disco_stuaquatix: i u take a pic of some choppers you could share them with me
14:54.36aquatixisn't allowed to
14:54.48disco_stunoone should see ya
14:54.55aquatixstill :)
14:55.06aquatixbesides, my n810 makes shitty pics ;)
14:55.29Stskeeps"where's your tablet today?" "sitting in .nl's first nuclear bomb"
14:55.42aquatixghehe
14:56.00aquatix`oh, it's powering our new submarine. why?'
14:57.01MeizirkkiXorg still won't start: 0: /usr/bin/X11/X(xf86SigHandler+0x70) [0x7dcbc]
14:57.12Stskeepsln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb
14:58.54Meizirkkithanks
14:59.20Stskeepsheads home
14:59.40Meizirkkii done it before my first try, but noe i did it again and worked
15:00.59MeizirkkiTouchscreen and D-pad does not work :(
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15:09.00hahlobiti have noticed too that tablets doesn't like rebooting.
15:11.15Meizirkkiubuntu-mobile runs directly :)
15:11.21hahlobitmaybe they are  evil cause permissions goes 666 when reboot :)
15:11.32Meizirkkiat least somehow
15:11.41Meizirkki:)
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15:19.10MeizirkkiIs there some script that runs before xorg, wehre i could add "ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb"
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15:45.31StskeepsMeizirkki: pic?
15:45.37Stskeepsit actually works?
15:46.01MeizirkkiI can see that top-panel
15:46.06Meizirkkilike in chroot
15:46.18Stskeepswoo, screenshot is in order i guess :P
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15:46.31Meizirkkitrying to make mobile-basic-flash work
15:46.36Stskeepsapt-get install imagemagick, import -window root img.png i think
15:47.16Meizirkkiadobe-flash player gives me /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so
15:47.26Meizirkkidoes it work?
15:47.49Meizirkkiln -s it to xulrunners plugins
15:47.52Stskeepshmm.
15:47.58Stskeepsdo you have the gtk version we have?
15:48.02Meizirkkii tried, but it seemed to not work
15:48.16Meizirkkijust basic mojos thing
15:48.19Meizirkkis
15:48.30Stskeepsk
15:48.41Stskeepselse you need the libdebletflashplayer.so thing
15:48.48Meizirkkideblet-flashplayer did not give me that
15:48.53Stskeepsi know
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15:49.29Stskeepsbasically libflashplayer requires some things that are only in the maemo GTK, afaik, and some other libs, and libdebletflashplayer.so is a hack that makes it think it is in that environment
15:50.38Meizirkkiok
15:51.09Stskeepsbut its kinda a difficult hack
15:51.17Stskeepsi would love a screenshot of U-m running, even just with top bar
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15:51.31Meizirkkiso, installing your gtk would help?
15:51.48Stskeepspossibly, yeah
15:52.02Meizirkkigonna try... :)
15:52.03Stskeepsthere was some other thing too but i cant recall off hand
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15:53.17ron1nhey guys
15:53.47ron1ndo we know anything about a 'next gen' or 9 series nokia internet tablet?, I'm holding out on buying one
15:54.01Stskeepsnot a certain date but we do know some things about it
15:54.04Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps: sorry, there is one thing wrong in my DUN guide
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15:54.12StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: mm?
15:54.12ron1nStskeeps, thanks
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15:54.35Meizirkki_n810in /etc/ppp/peers/mobile file
15:54.37Stskeepsron1n: but not anything like form factor, look, etc
15:54.43StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: lemme just add you to the user file
15:54.43Stskeepssec
15:54.53ron1nI bought a 770 a few years ago, and then nokia goes and comes out with the n800 -_-
15:55.48mgedminron1n: expect one no sooner than middle of next year
15:55.52Meizirkki_n810ok
15:56.05mgedminbut it'll have 3d
15:56.40ron1nmgedmin, awesome
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15:59.04RST38hAnd it will run WinXP^H^H^Hsorry
15:59.17GAN800lcuk, 3x faster. More if we get more RAM.
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16:00.44X-FadeGAN800: Not counting the multimedia extensions/accelerators, which would help more.
16:00.46MeizirkkiHow can i edit deblet wiki after logging in?
16:00.51MeizirkkiStskeeps:
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16:01.43MeizirkkiFound it :)
16:02.07GAN800X-Fade, sure, specific cases like with NEON and video will be more insane.
16:02.53Jaffabingles mvo with some magic fairy dust
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16:03.08X-FadeGAN800: http://maemo.org/profile/list/category/mediawiki_edits/ :)
16:03.22X-FadeGAN800: Will fill in the upcoming days of course..
16:03.38X-FadeBut that will probably give you a big boost.
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16:04.32GAN800X-Fade, what's the modifier?
16:04.55X-FadeGAN800: sqrt(edits > 50 chars)
16:05.53Stskeepswe should have a line count from irc counting in karma too
16:05.53JaffaX-Fade: btw, just looking at the URL reminded me: I keep thinking there should be a "by total" in the sort list
16:06.01Stskeepsi'd definately be a karma whore then
16:06.21JaffaStskeeps: it's been discussed. I'm in favour of it, but I dunno if anyone's working on it.
16:06.39X-FadeJaffa: Which point to /profile/list/ ?
16:06.42Stskeepsyeah, but difficult to use for anything really
16:07.01w00t_Stskeeps: you're always a karma whore
16:07.23JaffaX-Fade: correct
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16:07.37JaffaX-Fade: you can do it from the breadcrumb trail, but I always double-take
16:08.00X-FadeYeah, let's see if I can do that.
16:08.24X-FadeIt currenly uses a list of plugins. But the total list is no plugin. So..
16:08.29Stskeepsw00t_: you mean you've always been
16:08.31X-FadeSome hacking is probably needed..
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16:18.35StskeepsGAN800: do you get absolutely spammed by my reconstructedPOC stuff? not sure how much other people see
16:23.08GAN800On Jaiku you mean?
16:23.10GAN800No
16:23.28Stskeepsgood
16:23.43GAN800X-Fade, so I have about 900 'useful' edits out of 1200, which will net me 30 karma.
16:23.45Stskeepswas worried cos there was a lot of activity on the channel :)
16:24.51StskeepsMeizirkki: any luck with screenshots?
16:25.05X-FadeGAN800: I see 1143 edits for you now.
16:25.23Meizirkki_n810wait
16:25.37GAN800X-Fade, that are ove 50 chars?
16:25.45X-FadeGAN800: Yes.
16:25.48Meizirkki_n810i'll first try to get flash working
16:25.56Meizirkki_n810with maemos gtk:s
16:26.13X-FadeGAN800: Ah and modifier is * 2, btw.
16:26.30X-FadeGAN800: So that will be 66 karma for you..
16:26.49StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: alright
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16:27.14X-FadeBut we can discuss the weight ofcourse...
16:27.56GAN800Leave it for when we overhaul all of the modifiers
16:28.09GAN800I'll poke at dneary's proposal later this weel.
16:28.14X-FadeYeah, that will be corrected probably..
16:28.16bergieGAN800: Hirvinen is working on that right now
16:28.18GAN800s/weel/week/
16:28.28bergieso the earlier you can poke it the better
16:28.38lcukthanks GAN800 :)
16:28.54X-Fadebergie: I think there need to be discussions first, so don't expect quick answers.
16:29.17bergieX-Fade: oh... I though the points there were the things to implement this Sprint
16:30.02X-Fadebergie: No?
16:30.08GAN800bergie, that's only dneary's list.
16:30.28X-Fadebergie: I see karma for applications and detaching thumbs down from karma.
16:31.34X-Fadehttps://wiki.maemo.org/Karma#Proposed_improvements is still under discussion.
16:32.07GAN800Should probably be pushed to a task
16:32.22X-FadeYes, I think so.
16:34.21bergieok... dneary was talking about "detaching thumbs down" and the proposed improvements at same time, so I though they were both to be implemented now
16:35.38GAN800#3767 is valid and can be fixed
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16:35.52GAN800But all the modifiers still need to be discussed.
16:36.07crashanddieGAN800: hey, can you give me some advice?
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16:36.25bergiewell, we can play with the modifiers... the recount is only 48h anyway
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16:37.10GAN800crashanddie, depends. :P
16:37.14crashanddieAnyone know of a embedded device (possibly n800 or n810, but other options would be nice) that plays nicely with RFID readers? I saw the video on YouTube about the n800 reading tags, but the n800 is quite hard to get by these days (in large quantities)
16:37.37crashanddieThis would be for a medium sized projet (between 30 and 100 units)
16:37.48lardmanqwerty12: you about?
16:37.51Hirvinena question about proposed karma improvements: from the wiki page: "Discussion: Modify discussion points to be scored as 2 * sqrt(# posts)" <- should that be (sign of good_posts + bad_post_modifier * bad_posts) 2 * sqrt(abs(good_posts - bad_post_modifier * bad_posts)) ?
16:37.56qwerty12lardman, yeah
16:38.06crashanddieHey Q, wassup bro?
16:38.12lardmanqwerty12: which SDK version were you using to compile Qalculate! ?
16:38.14GAN800Find a reader that works reliably with Linux and go from there?
16:38.28qwerty12wag1 crashanddie, I'm good here, how about you? :)
16:38.32X-FadeHirvinen: thumbs down should not give negative karma. That is all for now..
16:38.38qwerty12lardman, 4.1.1 iirc
16:38.42GAN800WinMob seems like it might require less work to get going, though.
16:38.44crashanddieqwerty12: good good, job and everything :)
16:38.58qwerty12heh, good to hear :)
16:39.00HirvinenX-Fade: ok
16:39.23X-FadeHirvinen: Other things need discussion first. And probably pretty heated ;)
16:39.37crashanddieGAN800: well, it's for a student project, and the students are mostly trained to work with Linux (my old school, one of the last bastions of free developers)
16:40.27crashanddieso when I heard about it, I thought about the n800 immediately... Though it's for a university, so I'd like to think in terms of costs as well (and well, a uni has a bit of problems ordering 30 individual units on ebay)
16:40.36HirvinenX-Fade: Are there parts of karma changes that are agreed upon?
16:41.00X-FadeHirvinen: No, only this one and that we need karma for applications.
16:41.09bergieHirvinen: only the one in that bug entry
16:41.44lardmanI still think bad posts/bad blogs should reduce that section to 0 (and no lower)
16:42.29X-Fadelardman: Yes, that seems fair.
16:42.30GAN800lardman, per-post zero, not per-section
16:42.54X-FadeWell, yeah if you mess up one time you don't need to be punished too much.
16:43.07X-FadeBut if you mess up every time, you will stay at zero.
16:43.12mikkov_aret
16:43.14mikkov_hmm
16:43.23GAN800thoughtfix shouldn't not receive any karma for his timeline and interview posts just because people really hate some of his iPhone and UI posts.
16:43.28lardmanGAN800: per section
16:43.35GAN800per-post
16:43.57GAN800The problem is 'bad' doesn't mean anything
16:43.59mikkov_are those karma lists sorted by comments, favourites etc supposed to work?
16:44.01lardmanin which case it doesn't disuade people from posting rubbish
16:44.21bergiemikkov_: yep... but unfortunately sometimes the DB server timeouts
16:44.23GAN800It's often more about the groupthink not agreeing with your opinions
16:44.35X-Fademikkov_: Try again in the morning :D
16:45.06GAN800lardman, clearly if it really becomes an issue it can be addressed to a poster directly.
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16:46.06X-Fadelardman: We can always remove a bad author from the planet. Which will do the same..
16:46.19lardmanyeah, that's not quite what I mean though
16:46.35lardmanif people repeatedly post off topic, their overall blogging karma should be reduced
16:46.41GAN800thumbers are too unfair
16:46.57lardmanyes, but I don't think people have abused them have they?
16:47.07GAN800But what if they just say interesting, on-topic, but unpopular things?
16:47.15GAN800Sure they have
16:47.25GAN800Hell, I have. ;)
16:47.26lardmanstill wonders how his ~220 ml posts produce 38 karmas
16:47.26X-FadeMaybe we need a top 10 thumb downers ;)
16:47.41X-FadePublicly visible..
16:47.58lardmanlist people who give a thumb either way
16:47.58X-Fadelardman: -community isn't counted yet.
16:48.14lardmanX-Fade: yeah, that's not many of my posts though, -dev's the main one
16:48.35X-FadeYeah, but the forum import is broken atm.
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16:48.45X-FadeIt is not parsing all mails correctly.
16:48.57lardmanfair enough
16:49.00X-FadeSo your account isn't attachted to all of them..
16:49.27lardmandon't worry :)
16:49.49X-FadeOne day...
16:49.49Jaffalardman: as long as it's sorted before cheap N900s start getting given out, eh? ;-)
16:50.28lardmanJaffa: I'm not too concerned about that either, just that it should be right if it's being done
16:50.32X-FadeJaffa: I think lardman will be recognized without karma too..
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16:50.48JaffaX-Fade: one would hope
16:50.56X-Fadebbl, dinner.
16:51.14lardmanDon't worry, with all my complaining about karma I';m sure I will be, probably in the wrong direction mind you! ;)
16:52.29jagernothi im working on a synth (some of u know)..i use esound for sound generation and gdk for ui... result here: http://www.poojyum.com/h
16:52.51jagernotthe trouble is i cant update the ui as i play the instrument
16:53.01jagernoti can but audio drops
16:53.36Stskeepsthreading maybe?
16:53.53jagernoti am threading the audio
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17:01.12lardmanargh, what do I add to sources.list to add the Extras repo?
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17:01.29lardmanas you can see, /me would have to do quite a bit of debian packaging learning ;)
17:02.23qwerty12lardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras#Setting_up_Scratchbox_to_use_the_extras_repository :P
17:02.26Meizirkki_n810Damn, pellet truck arrived... tookna lot of time...
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17:02.59qwerty12lardman, I have to remind myself to update the Build-Depends everytime I add a library...
17:03.51lardmanthanks
17:05.33lardmanI just tried to update my diablo SDK install and it's pulling from maemo4.1, rather than maemo4.1.1
17:05.53lardmanis that expected behaviour?
17:05.54Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps: i screwed my hasty agn
17:06.27StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: hehe.. happens
17:06.59RST38hlardman: may depend on your linux
17:07.26Meizirkki_n810i tried to install all packages on /stskeeps and now apt-get naggs about missing depends, and apt-get install -f wants to remove evrything i have installed so far
17:07.44RST38hdo check if the repo for your linux flavor contains 4.1.1
17:08.14lardmanyep it does
17:08.41lardmanhttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1
17:10.28Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps: when i boot directly to ubuntu mobile it looks pixel-to-pixel same than the screenshot i took when using u-m first time in chroot
17:10.31RST38htry apt-get update then apt-get upgrade and see what keeps it back
17:10.34StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: good
17:11.35Meizirkki_n810anything i tell apt-get to do, returns with incorrect depends messages
17:11.46StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: feel free to link scrshot on the jaiku saying this ran like this
17:11.47lardmanRST38h: I did that, nothing kept it back, it just doesn't decide to upgrade the url
17:12.00RST38hhmmm
17:12.01lardmanRST38h: will try again after my build has finished
17:12.05StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: apt-get -f install might help
17:12.30RST38hmaybe a typo in the sources file?
17:12.46Meizirkki_n810apt-get -f install suggests removing all these u-m and other packages...
17:12.52lardmanno, that's what I mean, it lists maemo4.1 in the sources file
17:12.59lardmanI'd expected it to change that to maemo4.1.1
17:13.35StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: yeah.. i suspected the maemo gtk might blow some things up
17:13.36RST38hmaybe its just not that smart?:)
17:13.54lardmanRST38h: yeah, will have to look at how to upgrade in the correct way eventually :)
17:14.00StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: give me a pastebin of the errors about apt-geti nstall something
17:14.08Meizirkki_n810ok
17:16.51Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps: V
17:16.53Meizirkki_n810http://pastebin.com/d11a87163
17:16.56Meizirkki_n810sry
17:18.39Meizirkki_n810I'll try apt-get -f install even if it removes something
17:18.51lardmanqwerty12: you have any issues compiling libgmp?
17:19.13qwerty12lardman, I can't remember properly but I think I did
17:19.54lardmanrubbish C++
17:20.44StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: thanks, please edit it on the wiki and make a note in jaiku about this
17:20.51Stskeepssince it's an instance of maemo gtk messing up things
17:21.03Stskeeps(put the exact error somewhere and link to it)
17:21.11Stskeepspastebins arent forever so
17:21.21Meizirkki_n810ok
17:21.54lardmanqwerty12: apparently an issue which has been fixed in GCC4.x.x
17:22.28qwerty12lardman, hrm, i'll set up an cs2008 toolchain later
17:29.25Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps: these confilicts might be nto about meno GTK, maybe i got errors because i tried to install all packages you have upladed so far, and some of them have missing dependacies?
17:29.49Meizirkki_n810*might to be about maemo...
17:30.03Meizirkki_n810so much typos =P
17:31.21StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: one of the reasons is probably osso-gnomevfs2
17:31.25Stskeepsthat blows up UM definately
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17:31.51Stskeepsstick with the maemo gtk for now instead of everything else
17:31.55Stskeepsyou would get a better result
17:32.02lardmanqwerty12: were you using the SDK+ sdk by chance?
17:32.12lardmanqwerty12: iirc that has gcc 4.x.x on it
17:32.12qwerty12lardman, never...
17:32.25lardmanoh, ok
17:33.07derfGetting the cs2008 toolchain up and running wasn't hard.
17:33.16derfIt took up 2GB of disk space for no apparent reason, but it wasn't hard.
17:33.28lardmanis that GCC 4?
17:33.31derfYes.
17:33.33StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: but in any degree any problems you run into are important to microdocument, cos we will definately deal with them later
17:33.36lardmanah, ok
17:33.43derfYou need it for the qrcode stuff.
17:33.52derfgcc 3.x has way too many compiler bugs.
17:33.57lardmanright-ho
17:34.00lardmanyeah
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17:35.40derfActually, I guess I used cs2007q3, which was also gcc 4.x.
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17:36.48lardmanI may as well use OE to build it then really
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17:38.10Meizirkki_n810ok
17:42.06lardmanhmm, or not, doesn't appear to be in the metadata
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17:48.12GAN800Can anybody with some language experience look over the list of categories and start generating l10n?
17:48.33GAN800I have a feeling Nokia may take forever to do the translation.
17:48.50lardmanstick them on the wiki and let people suggest I suggest
17:49.15MeizirkkiStskeeps: done
17:52.44lardmanGAN800: can we add an extra section to the wiki page with a table of names + column for each translation?
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17:56.46Jaffalardman: how's your mediawiki syntax? ;-)
17:57.02JaffaBah, going to be another night tonight whe re I don't get home until gone 11pm
17:57.09lardmannot very good, and I don';t have the email to hand either
17:57.37lardmanJaffa: I've just had two nights where I did get home, but just kept on going till I went to bed
17:57.46lardmans/going/working
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17:58.02Jaffadoh
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17:58.58Jaffabetter damn well get a payrise (hmm) and a promotion (yay, more perks) on Saturday... or else
17:59.31gomiam(Southpark mode) "or else?" Jaffa: "Exactly!"
17:59.31gomiam;-)
18:00.05lardmanis that where "perk"=="working late more often"? ;)
18:01.00gomiamlardman: that depends on your home situation :-)
18:02.15MeizirkkiStskeeps: are you going to switch to armv6el release soon? =)
18:02.33lardmangomiam: :)
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18:03.20StskeepsMeizirkki: when i get the installer and repo going, yeah
18:03.36Stskeepsbut the issue is that i cross-compile on a qemu that doesnt seem to like vfp, oddly enough
18:03.46Meizirkkiok
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18:03.55GAN800lardman, the table's on the wiki.
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18:04.39lardmanStskeeps: or have you passed an -mcpu flag too?
18:05.32lardmanGAN800: ok
18:05.39Stskeepslardman: debootstrap died so :P
18:05.44GAN800Jaffa, I suspect we'll want an English l10n before any others.
18:05.45Stskeepswasn't really much to do to get a rootstrap
18:05.48Stskeepsto chroot into
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18:07.33ron1nanyone try to get armedslack on an internet tablet?
18:08.09lardmanGAN800: so you ok with my adding a table with multiple rows to that page then? (assuming I can work out how of course...)
18:08.33Stskeepsron1n: there was a blog of some guy going insane over it..
18:08.40Stskeepsor was that gentoo..
18:09.48GAN800lardman, https://wiki.maem.org/Task:Package_categories#Translations
18:10.54lardmancool
18:11.01Stskeepsron1n: think most active alternative OS'es are mamona, deblet, and this strange thing we're doing in here
18:11.35GAN800Stskeeps, Dr. Frankenstein
18:11.39ron1nStskeeps, thanks
18:11.51StskeepsGAN800: Maemo "Frankenstein"
18:11.52Stskeepsi like that
18:11.53Stskeeps:P
18:12.38Stskeeps.. but i'm more of a dr jekyll and mr hyde really
18:12.39Stskeeps:P
18:12.57MeizirkkiStskeeps: where can i get libdebletflashplayer.so?
18:13.29GAN800Can somebody provide a quick translation for that table?
18:14.05Jaffalardman: Company car or car allowance.
18:14.08lardmanright, I added columns
18:14.14lardmanJaffa: ah, not so bad then
18:14.18Jaffahas his eye on a nice shiny new fast VW Scirocco.
18:14.31lardmanAston Martin?
18:14.38JaffaDoubtful
18:14.42lardman:D
18:14.47StskeepsProgramming and not Development? :P
18:15.01JaffaGAN800: I think I've been persuaded of "Sound & Video" for user/multimedia.
18:15.02lardmanDevelopment has many menaings
18:15.08JaffaIndeed.
18:15.13Stskeepsmm
18:15.17lardmanis happy with Multimedia, it's well known
18:15.30Jaffalardman: Fair enough. I'm equally happy with either.
18:15.31GAN800Jaffa, change it if you want. ;)
18:15.40JaffaGAN800: was trying to build consensus ;)
18:15.57GAN800has no opinion
18:16.17Stskeepsand Desktop is ambigious, what does it cover?
18:16.25Stskeepsit would be easier to translate if the justifications for the name was there
18:16.26Stskeeps:P
18:16.26Jaffais ambivalent. And lardman is pro "Multimedia". So I'm fine.
18:16.39JaffaStskeeps: scroll up about 400 px ;-p
18:16.42lardmanStskeeps: stuff to go on the desktop - applets
18:16.43Stskeepsar
18:16.45GAN800Desktop is applets
18:17.24GAN800Interestingly Apple just has 'Music'
18:17.50GAN800and just 'Navigation' for the location stuff.
18:18.04Stskeepsdislikes the "desktop" metafor for a tablet home screen for some reason, but that's a personal
18:18.15lardmanGAN800: do you want to reply to Marius' email to ask people to add their translations here? If I reply I'll lose the threading as I don't have the original here
18:18.49GAN800pulls up gmail
18:20.21lardmanwonders who will do the All and Other translations?
18:20.21Stskeepswhy user/development and then Programming?
18:20.21Stskeepsthat's slightly confusing :P
18:20.21lardmanStskeeps: just 'cos
18:20.21lardmanStskeeps: you'll never see the user/development unless you develop; if you're an end user it's ambigous
18:20.21GAN800Packagers know what 'development' is
18:20.36lardmangetting a company car?
18:21.20ron1nwhy do debian packages from ARM have arm in the package name, and deblet packages have armel in the package name?
18:21.44Stskeepsron1n: debian has armel too
18:21.55Stskeeps'arm' is getting taken out the back and shot eventually afaik
18:22.04ron1nStskeeps, is armel significantly different from arm?
18:22.10StskeepsABI-wise afaik
18:22.10Stskeepssec
18:22.16Stskeepsgotta finish this translation first
18:22.22ron1nmhmm
18:23.05lardmanron1n: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
18:23.18ron1nlardman, thanks
18:23.24lardmannp
18:23.43Meizirkkironln: arm packages in debian repos are for armv3 and they don't work on tablets
18:24.08ron1nI'm really taking intrest in getting uladulteraded slackware (armedslack as I hear is) on a tablet
18:24.12lardmanthey used to work on the 770 though before the abi change
18:24.15ron1nMeizirkki, I see
18:24.40ron1nlardman, I remember that from when I still had my 770, thats why I'm a bit confused
18:25.25lardmanyeah, have a read of that url, should explain it all - eabi is far better for all except keeping compatible
18:25.46ron1nthe TI omap series is just the processor that is used with the eabi arch, correct?
18:25.51lardmanespecially good for the n8x0 as it moved to vfp as default fp format, away from the awful fpa
18:25.57Stskeepscontributes a danish translation for sections
18:26.10Stskeepseven though they probably need verification
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18:26.13lardmanron1n: yes, it could run the old abi
18:26.49lardmanStskeeps: cool, thanks
18:26.59ron1nso eabi is the new evolution in arm, got it
18:27.10ron1nI just need to see if armedslack is eabi ready
18:27.20lardmanheads to grab a beer while cln compiles....
18:28.16GAN800lardman, replied.
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18:30.03Stskeepsron1n: if you want to get it running on tablet, use the deblet boot basics and friends scripts, they're all open source and in svn on deblet home page
18:30.16Stskeepswill save you a lot of time and headache
18:31.06Stskeepsbut, you will probably run into same problem as everyone else - power usage
18:31.06rafiksgot error installing deblet installer
18:31.23Stskeepsnot impossible
18:31.26Stskeepsbut which?
18:31.59rafiksunable to installs
18:32.08Stskeepsthat's a bit vague :P
18:32.09rafiks,,.
18:32.24rafiksis te
18:32.25Stskeepsgoes back to building stuff
18:32.35rafiksThe
18:33.24rafiksis there a bug on the package?
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18:34.05rafiksI have an n800 w/os2008..
18:34.29Stskeepsdo you have extras enabled?
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18:34.43Stskeepsand i dunno if there's a bug.. look in application manager log
18:34.52rafiksyes,i think
18:36.11StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: my bootstrap.tar.gz seriously wrote a debootstrap on top of meamo? :P
18:36.17Stskeeps(reading bug reports)
18:36.44Meizirkki_n810i think so, but i am not sure
18:37.09Stskeepsk
18:38.20Meizirkki_n810installer gave some error, then i wanted to try debootstrapping manuallu
18:38.39Meizirkki_n810but the terminal has gone crazy
18:38.41rafiksjust looked @ d log,apparently it doesn't like easy deb package,are this 2 the same?
18:39.10Stskeepsno, but it may conflict heavily
18:39.16Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps, i am sure it was the installer..
18:39.30Stskeepscan you copy-paste the log to me, rafiks?
18:39.33StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: alright, :P
18:39.44Stskeepsthat was probably that night i was drunk and coding on it..
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18:41.22rafiksStskeeps: wiil do .
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18:44.37MakeGhooh my... Fennec is so heavy and slow that it's not a clever choice, at least yet.
18:45.36MeizirkkiStskeeps: can you give me direct link to libdebletflashplayer.so I did not find it from trunk
18:46.42Stskeepshttp://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/export/6/trunk/nit-base-packages/debian-flashplayer/usr/lib/browser/plugins/libdebianflashplayer.so
18:46.52Meizirkkithanks
18:47.05Meizirkkii was looking from the wrong place :)
18:47.13GAN800MakeGho, it's just barely an alpha release.
18:47.34Stskeepstry Tear or something instead, MakeGho
18:50.21MakeGhoGAN800: I know :) But I'm wondering because some sources said it to be "six times faster"
18:50.27rafiksStskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m6de839fa
18:50.47GAN800MakeGho, that was only one js benchmael
18:50.51GAN800s/mael/marl
18:50.55GAN800marj
18:50.58GAN800good lord
18:51.01GAN800mark
18:51.17MakeGhooh ok
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18:51.33GAN800MakeGho, and that's only because it's based on a newer release of Firefox
18:51.48MakeGhoyup
18:51.54GAN800MicroB will get those js improvements eventually, too.
18:53.14Stskeepsrafiks: you should poke qole about that.. we seemingily ended up using same name for our icon
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18:54.19MakeGhoStskeeps: What's this thing you're refering to? I can't succeed to find anything useful.
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18:55.44StskeepsMakeGho: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24293&highlight=tear
18:55.48rafiksStskeeps: qole's not here is he?
18:56.57Stskeepsrafiks: nop, he's on itt, solution is uninstall easy debian for you, it's unintentional we share same icon filename and path..
18:58.30ron1ndoes the ARM kernel have its own home like the x86 kernel resides at kernel.org?
18:59.34rafiksStskeeps: thanks..will try that.
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19:05.46||cwron1n: kernel.org is THE home for all officially supported arch's
19:06.19||cwron1n: every platform tends to have their own patches that are not supported by kernel.org though
19:06.20ron1n||cw, I found the ppc and ps3 ports, hunting for the arm port still
19:06.26ron1n||cw, I see
19:06.38||cwppc is arm....
19:06.46Stskeepswtf. :P
19:06.51||cwwell, in source
19:07.02StskeepsMeizirkki: http://trac.tspre.org/mrrepo/
19:07.04||cwwell, it's all just source anyway
19:07.05ron1nI have a lot to learn =P
19:07.26||cwand there are multiple types of arm
19:07.27ron1nI am use=Pd to x86 and that is about it
19:07.29||cwppc being one of them
19:07.45MeizirkkiStskeeps: You got it up! =P
19:07.47Meizirkkifinally
19:07.49ron1nI am used to x86 and thats about it =P***
19:07.55||cwsure... except now x86 is 2 arch's too, with x86-64
19:08.38ron1nyeah, but the 32 bit vs 64bit is the only difference
19:08.55ron1nwhile looking at ppc and arm, they seem to be very different
19:09.06Meizirkkiis adding mr-repo to his sources.list
19:09.09ron1nI had no idea they derive from the same source
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19:10.26StskeepsMeizirkki: codename is 'reconstructed' or 'testing', main, non-free and contrib
19:10.35Stskeepsi'll be adding boot packages later tonight
19:10.42Meizirkkiok
19:12.25Stskeepsso we can install easily
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19:14.03Stskeepswb
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19:17.43MeizirkkiUbuntu-mobile starts now when i type startx :)
19:18.44Stskeepswoop
19:18.53Stskeepstake a pic, even though it's crap quality
19:18.56Stskeepsit's a nice showoff
19:19.12Meizirkkiwhat about crap quality 3gp video
19:19.20Meizirkki=P
19:19.35Stskeepspic is better thancrap quality 3gp :P
19:19.42ron1nsays this topic is relative to his intrests
19:20.08Meizirkkiookay
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19:20.16Meizirkkii'll take both :)
19:20.25Stskeepsron1n: we're doing a proof of concept of http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed
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19:29.07ron1nStskeeps, the deblet project uses jaiky instead of twitter!? =P
19:29.11ron1nis a big twitter fan
19:29.19ron1njaiku*
19:31.59ron1nthis is awesome, this is what I expected to see when I first purchased my 770 early 2006
19:32.37ron1nI mean, a little app here or a little app there is cool and all, but I really wanted to see the open source community really "run with" the internet tablets
19:32.37Stskeepsron1n: well this is just a offshoot of the deblet experiences
19:32.44RST38hmoos evilly
19:33.16ron1nStskeeps, I understand, I'm speaking of my recent findings with maemo in general
19:33.17Stskeepsand not a nokia project, but something we in community try to do to somewhat prove to nokia this really ought to be the way to go :P
19:33.33ron1nthats what I really wanted to see from the begining
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19:34.10RST38hSts: Looking at your maemo reconstructed wiki page, "or installing a VMware appliance for non-Linux users" is wrong
19:34.28RST38hSts: it should be a native windows sdk coming in the .msi package
19:35.02ron1nNokia is a big company. Big companies like open source, but to a point it just isn't practical. Blobs exist everywhere with in OS200x
19:35.16Stskeepsron1n: it's actually not that bad when you look closer
19:35.23RST38hSts: Scratch any mentions of eclipse - I don't think anybody but java diehards use this beast
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19:35.48StskeepsRST38h: yet it seems to be used for a variety of different langs
19:36.03StskeepsRST38h: and the eclipse/etc is input from other sources in this case :P
19:36.05ron1nStskeeps, when I checked OS2006 out, it was bad. Everything from the wireless, to low level touch screen stuff was a blob
19:36.39RST38hSts: it *supports* different languages
19:37.00RST38hSts: But do try to use Eclipse for serious development and you will see why it is not worth the effort
19:37.10StskeepsRST38h: i'm a bit of a vim/make person
19:37.11Stskeeps:P
19:37.17Stskeepsso i'm not the best to argue in this area
19:37.21RST38hSlow, unstable, has non-standard UI - typical java app
19:37.24ron1nKdevelope? works nicely
19:37.41RST38hSts: pico/make here
19:37.54Stskeepsick pico
19:37.59ron1nRST38h, pico is the way to go for plaintext all the way
19:37.59Stskeeps:P
19:38.07Stskeepsis a joe or vim guy
19:38.10Stskeepsdepending on what i need to do
19:38.17RST38hjoe is probably ok, not much different from pico
19:38.38Stskeepsi grew up on the polypascal editor so it kinda went from there..
19:38.42Stskeepssame shortcut
19:38.42ron1nI'm a firm believer in optionally reading the man page, I really don't feel like flipping through the mah an appn page just to get up and running wit
19:38.43Stskeepss
19:38.46qwerty12_N800(despite only knowing the basics) is a vim fan :p
19:39.01ron1nqwerty12_N800, vimtutor is the way to go
19:39.08ron1nI mean to use it, I just haven't found the time
19:39.15RST38hanything that does not support arrow keys out of the box is not a real text editor
19:39.33ron1nRST38h, uses something similar
19:40.18qwerty12_N800ron1n, yeah... I just can't bring myself to run it :/
19:40.22RST38hno, "something similar" won't do
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19:40.33RST38hIf arrow keys do not work, I am not using it
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19:57.16StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: if you get bored.. see if you can compile kernel-diablo natively
19:57.39Meizirkki_n810are you kidding?
19:57.48Stskeepsi said if you got bored ;)
19:58.00GAN800RST38h, can you do an ru_RU translation for https://wiki.maem.org/Task:Package_categories#Translations ?
19:58.14Meizirkki_n810okay, it is the next thing i will try :)
19:58.36RST38hGAN: Depends on how much work it is
19:58.38Meizirkki_n810that kernel tihng
19:58.42Meizirkki_n810*thing
19:59.00RST38hif it is just typing a text file then yes
19:59.01GAN80012 categories
19:59.06Meizirkki_n810now i am fighting with ubuntu-mobile =)
19:59.28GAN800Just stick them on the wiki, or send them to me and I'll stick them there.
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20:00.02RST38hWorking.
20:00.07lcukwhy does os2007 do different stuff and try to guess if i use finger or stylus?
20:00.24GAN800Because that's the way it was programmed
20:00.45GAN800It was dropped for OS2008 because it really didn't work very well.
20:00.51lcukyeah i can tell
20:01.14lcukgood idea in principle
20:01.30lcuknow sees what people meant about stylus friendly
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20:02.55mlpugi attach n810 with usb to computer. /media/disk pops up with some subdirectories. Where are these in n810 filesystem?
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20:03.37StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: actually nm
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20:03.56StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: i'll do that on my own, as it is deadly :P
20:04.09Meizirkki_n810ok
20:04.32mlpugI mean if I run  e.g. cp /home/mlpug/file.avi /media/disk     where in n810 I can find that file.avi?
20:06.06qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, hmm, compiling the kernel on n800? Do you plan to do that after you've taken drugs? :P
20:06.43milhouselike flashing, recompiling the kernel on the n800 should always be done with the charger connected...
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20:07.00Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: no, vodka!
20:07.08RST38hGAN: Ready
20:07.12qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, heh...
20:07.13VeggenWell. We *did* compile kernel back in the days when we had 386/25 w/4 MB memory, too...
20:08.34derfThe kernel was a lot smaller back then.
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20:08.52RST38h1MB kernel was considered huge
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20:09.02derfSLOC-wise, too.
20:09.07GAN800RST38h, I see it on the wiki. Excellent, thank you! :)
20:09.20RST38hFreeBSD had 600kB..1MB kernels
20:09.31GAN800Hi, milhouse. :)
20:09.42milhousehi GAN
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20:10.13Veggenderf: true. But the n810 has more memory and is faster ;)
20:10.13RST38hOSF/1 had a huge 10MB kernel that was actually a Mach "microkernel" + crap
20:10.27qwerty12_N800milhouse, hrm, want to update your schematics folder? ;)
20:10.30milhousewe got a new one?
20:10.56qwerty12_N800milhouse, i found n810 ones and some other goodies a while back...
20:11.12milhousesure - you got the url?
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20:18.22GAN800Somebody should package up avahi for Extras so it doesn't need to be coerced into working.
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20:25.34qwerty12_N800GAN800, Bug pH5 :P
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20:26.04qwerty12_N800according to summary, he's the uploader
20:26.42sjgadsbyWhy am I bothering to argue with allnameswereout?
20:26.45GAN800Imma bug qwerty12
20:27.10Stskeepssjgadsby: the kind of person that's kinda like fly paper?
20:27.12GAN800sjgadsby, S'okay, it's hard to avoid
20:27.26GAN800I still want to know his angle
20:28.06lcukneeds to update to 2008, its all strange in here
20:29.01sjgadsbyHe appears to be omniscient and infallible.
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20:29.14GAN800Clearly
20:29.20lcukhiya sjgadsby
20:29.24GAN800He's an intellectual
20:29.33sjgadsbyHiHi, lcuk.
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20:30.28Meizirkki_n810with telnet, i would be able to start apps in ubuntu-mobile-desktop...
20:31.21qwerty12_N800lardman|afk, compiled gmp with cs2008 toolchain, gcc went fine, libtool did not...
20:32.16lcukdo you think tim could become an opensismus trainee? (i really hope he gets sorted)
20:32.19StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: scrshots!
20:32.57qwerty12_N800lardman|afk, attempted to compile rather :)
20:33.02Meizirkki_n810they look exsactly same that those i already have in picasaweb
20:33.40Meizirkki_n810okay, i'll upload some more :)
20:34.25GAN800lcuk, well, he's not in Berlin and he'  waaaaaay overqualified.
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20:35.24lcukyeah i know gan, it bites
20:35.55Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps: Sould i uplodad em somewhere that is possible for anybody to download?
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20:36.52qwerty12_N800GAN800, seen pybattery? if there should be something that takes the name of adv-power, it's that...
20:37.15StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: picasa is fine i think
20:37.21Meizirkki_n810ok
20:39.33milhouseoh dear - what's going on here? Open this link on Jaaksi's site (http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/10/few-thoughs-on-openness.html) then click the link to Jaffa's "ideas and opinions" and get a 403 because Jaaksi is a spammer... :)
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20:40.24lcukwhy the heck did they remove the layout mode from 2007?
20:41.01milhouselcuk: to annoy you (probably)
20:41.28Stskeepslcuk: layout mode?
20:41.29lcukhas never run os2007 before
20:41.34lcukdesktop applets
20:41.40lcuklocked unless in layout mode
20:41.55Stskeepsah
20:42.00milhouseDesktop applets that couldn't be locked in place was a genius feature
20:42.08qwerty12_N800lcuk, but at least they were able to be locked :)
20:42.08milhouses/was/is/
20:42.22lcukqwerty12_N800, thats the point, why remove the feature
20:42.37lcukshakes head lol
20:42.42Stskeeps"we don't need no stinkin' layout mode when we have lock touch screen and keys!"
20:43.00lcukis forever movin his clock around
20:43.56milhousestskeeps - on the contrary, because it IS a touchscreen is exactly why you need them locked down! :) too many times i've messed up the desktop just picking up/putting down the n8x0... takes about 5 minutes to get everything back to normal 'cos the snap to grid is so shit
20:44.33Stskeepsmilhouse: i was being mildly sarcastic, i want to lock mine too, bloody irritating "feature"
20:44.34qwerty12_N800a free shank to whoever makes a patch for hildon-desktop to add an option to lock applets!
20:44.36Stskeeps:P
20:44.44GAN800Fremantle.
20:44.59milhousestskeeps: sorry thought you were a nokia drone :)
20:45.32Stskeepsoi, i take offense to that :(
20:45.34qwerty12_N800someone "frontport" the relevant code from maemo-af-desktop into hildon-desktop :p
20:45.47milhousestskeeps: hehe, sorry :)
20:46.20GAN800milhouse, you've been away too long. ;)
20:46.32GAN800See Maemo Reconstructed. :)
20:46.52milhouseyah, just been monitoring bugzilla mostly
20:47.03milhouseGAN800: Again!
20:47.21milhouseGAN800: It's like rearangging deckchairs on the Titanic...
20:47.27milhouse:(
20:48.29milhouseGAN: No offence to you and the guys who are busting a gut for Nokia, but well you know how it is...
20:49.29milhouseI shall read the Wiki entry though
20:49.48Stskeepspersonally isn't, - if nokia sees potential in this stuff, we'll have a kickass maemo future, if not, we have a kickass maemo alternative :P
20:49.53GAN800milhouse, we're moving in a positive direction these days.
20:50.18milhouseI do wonder sometimes when I read some of the "WONTFIX" and "RESOLVED" bugs in bugzilla
20:51.10GAN800Well, WONTFIXing recently is more of a Diablo -> Fremantle issue
20:51.26GAN800A LOT of platform stuff is changing in Diablo
20:51.40GAN800s/Diablo/Fremantle/
20:51.53milhouseMaybe, the ones that have got my goat the last few days are the GPS one and the English (Canada) bug... I mean how hard would it be to support English (Canada)? I like Canada.
20:51.56milhouse:)
20:51.58GAN800Anyway, I'm not busting a gut for Nokia
20:52.10GAN800I'm busting a gut for the community.
20:52.20milhouseGAN: There's always lots of platform changes with every big release, that seems to be part of the problem...
20:52.34GAN800Nah, these are good.
20:53.05milhouseHaving said that, I look at 2008 and compare it to 2005 and I don't see a huge amount of change in 3 years.... most of it is under the cover, still the same old sh1tty UI and application bugs...
20:53.18milhouseGAN: I hope you are right, I really do.
20:53.29GAN800Fremantle is a brand new UI direction
20:53.48milhouseGAN: I really appreciate your gut busting :)
20:54.13GAN800Trust me, I'm just as jaded, tired and cynical as you and I'm feeling good about things.
20:54.34milhouseGAN: I know, that means many of the old bugs will be "WONTFIX"'d (good) but new ones will emerge that will be ignored for 3+ years until the next major UI redesign etc. It's this attitude which must be changed... somehow.
20:54.42Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: you ever tried bashing your head in with the source package for kernel-diablo-modules-extra_2.6.21-200829maemo1_all.deb and such?
20:55.08GAN800milhouse, thing is, though, we're getting close to that step 5
20:55.35milhouseGAN: I got a developer N810 which makes me feel guilty about slating Maemo so next time I'll pay full whack for a N900 and have a clear conscience. :)
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20:55.55Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps: There are some photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/MaemoReconstructed# They are VERY crappy quality. I'll continue playing with this tomorrow, it is 22.50 here.
20:56.05Stskeepsnini, Meizirkki_n810
20:56.12qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, nah. just compiled the kernel the "traditional" way, go on to ssu repo and replace their kernel  image in the deb with mine
20:56.16Meizirkki_n810=)
20:56.41milhouseGAN: Is there a Step 6?
20:56.46Stskeepsand what meiz just posted is ubuntu mobile on a n810
20:56.49Stskeepsbooting
20:56.54Stskeepsvery blurry pics
20:57.37lcukmilhouse, harmattan
20:57.45GAN800milhouse, pressumably
20:57.47Meizirkki_n810There are better quality pics in n810 album, but they are from chroot
20:57.47milhouseAh yes...
20:57.49GAN800No
20:57.58GAN800lcuk, Fremantle is step4
20:57.58lcukno?
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20:58.08lcukfremantle is maemo 5 is it not?
20:58.14milhouseit is
20:58.14GAN800Harmattan is either 4.1 or 5
20:58.18GAN800step
20:58.28milhousebut I think the N810 was step 3.5 of 5 wasn't it?
20:58.42milhouseor something like that...
20:58.43GAN800770, N800, N810, N900, Nxxx
20:59.36lcukwhat about the w
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23:15.36Stskeepsi think we'd run in a bunch of problems but then again, im not sure hildon is dependent on it being /home/user
23:15.47Stskeepsmaybe not multiple users at the same time
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23:17.20johnxI don't think it's that dependent, but now would be a good time to push for multiuser if there were people who had a legitimate interest in it
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23:26.22Stskeepsmm - im not sure its a good idea on such low power devices though
23:26.34Stskeepsi mean, if there was a "fast user switch" with suspended sessions, maybe, but..
23:27.55Stskeepsokay, i'm off to bed
23:30.41johnxalright, I'll take a look at packages needed to boot
23:30.51johnx'night
23:32.15towoMhm. Any help against the GPS doing erratic jiggling when it's not mounted rather statically?
23:33.00Stskeepsjohnx: debootstrap --arch=arm --variant=minbase --include=wget,udev,apt-utils hasty /mnt/deblet http://repository.handhelds.org/hasty-armv5el/
23:33.08Stskeepsis my current debootstrap atleast
23:33.09Stskeepsbbl
23:33.16johnxok, looks good :)
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23:49.28bef0rdhttp://mail.google.com/videochat
23:49.36bef0rd;_; no linux
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