| 00:00.33 | GAN800 | Yeah. :/ |
| 00:00.51 | GAN800 | Squid really shouldn't be on for the wiko anyway. |
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| 00:02.04 | Navi | ew\ |
| 00:02.18 | GAN800 | Hi, Navi. :) |
| 00:02.22 | disco_stu | Hi |
| 00:02.26 | Navi | Navi? Where? |
| 00:02.38 | GAN800 | Hello, disco_stu |
| 00:02.44 | disco_stu | someone with backlight problems ? |
| 00:03.01 | disco_stu | i just found in mine :( |
| 00:04.11 | GAN800 | backlight problems? |
| 00:05.03 | disco_stu | well.. my n800's screen has a verticarl rectangle in the center of the screen, that is dimmer than the rest of the screen |
| 00:05.22 | GAN800 | center? bizarre |
| 00:05.45 | disco_stu | its a perfect rectangle |
| 00:06.41 | GAN800 | picture? |
| 00:06.42 | disco_stu | i'm taking a pic |
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| 00:10.12 | disco_stu | GAN800: there you go |
| 00:10.12 | disco_stu | http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01230dn9.jpg |
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| 00:12.50 | lardman | what type of backlight is it? |
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| 00:12.59 | lardman | looks like a strip has failed, or is on the way? |
| 00:13.53 | disco_stu | hope it doesnt get worse |
| 00:14.09 | disco_stu | cause im in argentina, and here there is no tech service |
| 00:14.10 | lcuk | change to a dark theme so its not as noticable? |
| 00:14.27 | disco_stu | in the dark and extreme white it is not noticeable |
| 00:14.29 | lardman | must be summer there too, so no need for the backlight ;) |
| 00:19.45 | lardman | hmm, enough looking at random crap on the internet, time to go to bed |
| 00:19.58 | lardman | night all, till the morrow |
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| 00:43.33 | qole | tests new N800 xchat install |
| 00:45.41 | lcuk | its broken |
| 00:46.22 | qole | thanks, you just verified the opposite... |
| 00:46.41 | lcuk | damn! |
| 00:46.43 | lcuk | how you doin |
| 00:47.09 | qole | getting by... |
| 00:47.42 | lcuk | ahhh, is that secret code for "need more absinthe" |
| 00:47.47 | qole | I'm thankful nothing I'm responsible for is broken |
| 00:48.15 | lcuk | yeah, that sounds ominous enough thou |
| 00:48.38 | qole | After a release, there's a week of emergencies |
| 00:48.51 | qole | two weeks of mop-up |
| 00:49.02 | lcuk | heh, i know that one ;) |
| 00:49.10 | lcuk | just getting back into the swing after the summit |
| 00:49.39 | qole | and another two weeks of random WTF questions |
| 00:50.09 | qole | The summit seems like last year already. |
| 00:50.10 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:50.22 | lcuk | it does :( |
| 00:51.40 | lcuk | areyou gearing up for xmas now |
| 00:52.17 | lcuk | tracy has bought most things already |
| 00:52.32 | lcuk | its super strange cos we dont normally so early |
| 00:52.40 | qole | I think I'm going to do a maemo post about using the tablet like a laptop... without knowing how to gain root |
| 00:53.14 | lcuk | in what way do you mean? |
| 00:55.11 | qole | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=240216#post240216 |
| 00:57.52 | lcuk | qole, i think simply using their 810 like a laptop is good enough reason to write another post :D |
| 00:57.53 | qole | Haven't started thinking about Christmas, just finished editing our Hallowe'en video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9174804504187422010&hl=en |
| 00:59.13 | lcuk | heh qole |
| 00:59.56 | qole | I'd like to set up a hypothetical situation where someone gets a Word doc as an e-mail attachment... |
| 01:00.12 | qole | hm, even better, maybe a powerpoint presentation |
| 01:00.55 | lcuk | is your wife wearing a wig or is that her natural color? |
| 01:01.12 | qole | then the person procedes to open the attachment with OpenOffice |
| 01:01.34 | qole | wig |
| 01:02.42 | lcuk | cool :D |
| 01:02.56 | qole | oh yeah I guess I just posted a link to my family Hallowe'en video on a publically logged IRC channel... d'oh. |
| 01:03.19 | Proteous | the bigest DOH is uploading a private family link to google video... |
| 01:03.22 | lcuk | yeah, but its on a publically accessible server |
| 01:04.16 | lcuk | you could remove and reup it with a different url |
| 01:05.16 | qole | it isn't searchable, so theoretically, until now, nobody would have found it... |
| 01:06.33 | qole | just for anyone reading these logs, it's nothing interesting, just my 3 year old going trick or treating for the first time |
| 01:06.48 | lcuk | heh |
| 01:07.15 | lcuk | how much absynthe have you had tonight? :P |
| 01:07.23 | qole | and don't go heh like I'm lying or something, now everyone's going to want to see it |
| 01:07.47 | qole | it isn't even dinner time here on the west coast of North America |
| 01:08.33 | lcuk | didnt think you were lyin or anyfink :$ |
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| 01:09.33 | bef0rd | I just saw it to check if you were lying |
| 01:10.07 | lcuk | *facepalm* |
| 01:10.44 | qole | shakes his head |
| 01:10.48 | bef0rd | hehe, kidding, nice video though |
| 01:11.34 | lcuk | your little one is so much more advanced than jacob, hes a bit behind - catching up though :) |
| 01:11.51 | qole | She's got her daddy's gift of the gab |
| 01:12.43 | lcuk | yeah, luke was the same, walking and talkin before 1 basically, but jake is 6 now and hes very delicate |
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| 01:15.14 | jagernot | hi im working on a sound synth: http://www.poojyum.com/h ; pleased to know your thoughts |
| 01:16.48 | lcuk | jaget |
| 01:16.50 | lcuk | jagernot, |
| 01:17.06 | jagernot | yep lcuk |
| 01:17.18 | lcuk | im not downloading a random file called h |
| 01:17.28 | lcuk | but your p/p project sounds VERY interesting |
| 01:17.31 | jagernot | hmm ok |
| 01:17.47 | lcuk | have you seen liqbase |
| 01:17.49 | jagernot | thanks lcuk... |
| 01:17.55 | jagernot | no.. |
| 01:17.58 | jagernot | will see now |
| 01:18.05 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/ |
| 01:19.07 | lcuk | ive got a load of particle systems in mind and spend a great amount of time doing small apps like your /p/ |
| 01:19.13 | lcuk | are you using windows over there? |
| 01:19.28 | qole | aaanyway, I'd like to showcase DBus Switchboard |
| 01:20.18 | qole | show how you can associate any file type with any application |
| 01:20.29 | jagernot | lcuk: that text scroll is fast |
| 01:20.38 | lcuk | qole, go for it! anything which helps users feel at home would be perfect |
| 01:20.39 | jagernot | pls check out my synth...i have a couple questions |
| 01:21.34 | lcuk | jagernot, the synth is only one tiny fraction, the startup starfield is 2000 pseudo3d stars in realtime |
| 01:21.49 | lcuk | i mean the text scroll sorry |
| 01:22.01 | jagernot | yeah i noticed that star field |
| 01:22.09 | jagernot | can i see your code?.. :) |
| 01:22.16 | lcuk | yes, its all open |
| 01:22.22 | jagernot | where where where |
| 01:22.25 | lcuk | on garage |
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| 01:22.39 | lcuk | watch the video of the screen in use |
| 01:22.47 | jagernot | yeah i saw it on youtube |
| 01:22.48 | lcuk | it does more justice than an empty install ;) |
| 01:22.48 | jagernot | nice |
| 01:22.52 | jagernot | nice work |
| 01:23.09 | lcuk | theres a more thorough runthrough on liqbase.net - my presentation at the recent summit |
| 01:23.18 | qole | jagernot: Is there a better link you can give us? |
| 01:23.47 | jagernot | well guys im genuine..pls check out my website http://www.poojyum.com/ |
| 01:23.59 | bef0rd | hey lcuk, just wondering, how can I get the sketches exported to SVG like http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php ? |
| 01:24.09 | jagernot | im trying to port some of my synth http://code.google.com/p/din |
| 01:24.14 | jagernot | to n810 |
| 01:25.02 | jagernot | i named the file 'h' cos its easy to type from shell |
| 01:25.03 | lcuk | bef0rd, i will be releasing a new version in a couple of weeks. im in the middle of some rearranging and shifting to a database for things, but part of what i want is proper svg export |
| 01:25.16 | qole | jagernot: you name your projects with a single letter?? |
| 01:25.28 | jagernot | no i will call it boxar |
| 01:25.32 | jagernot | but for testing |
| 01:25.59 | qole | I guess it's a pc program? |
| 01:26.02 | jagernot | im doing a very tedious way of developing |
| 01:26.03 | lcuk | jagernot, are you in windows? |
| 01:26.07 | qole | not a tablet program? |
| 01:26.10 | jagernot | no its a tablet program |
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| 01:26.16 | jagernot | n810 program |
| 01:26.26 | lcuk | no, i mean now - are you typing from windows? or linux? |
| 01:26.31 | jagernot | i have the scratchbox, then copy to internal card |
| 01:26.41 | jagernot | then type the app name from shell |
| 01:26.44 | jagernot | im on linux |
| 01:26.46 | jagernot | now |
| 01:26.54 | jargon | any maemo.org admins here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware is not working - all i get is a page w/ the word 'crap..' :) |
| 01:26.57 | jagernot | i dont use windows |
| 01:27.00 | jagernot | :D |
| 01:27.18 | lcuk | jargon, ahhh, lardman noticed that for one page earlier this evening |
| 01:27.36 | lcuk | i thought it might be a database corruption and the code "crap.." is coming out of mediawiki, it sounds more likely |
| 01:27.56 | lcuk | jagernot, damn i was gonna show you something |
| 01:28.03 | jargon | lcuk, ok, i'm seeing a google cache - maybe i can get what i want done w/ that - |
| 01:28.46 | bef0rd | lcuk, I see, thanks! |
| 01:28.47 | qole | jagernot: synth is VERY COOL |
| 01:29.03 | jagernot | hehe thanks qole for trying..just the beginning |
| 01:30.01 | GAN800 | lcuk, it's Squid |
| 01:30.02 | jargon | lcuk, interesting , the link is working now... |
| 01:30.11 | qole | yes, it would be neat to set the notes or something |
| 01:30.22 | GAN800 | Caching daemon is crapping out. |
| 01:31.29 | lcuk | jagernot, is http://code.google.com/p/din/ == http://www.poojyum.com/h |
| 01:31.37 | jagernot | not quite |
| 01:31.55 | lcuk | whats it wrote in? |
| 01:31.59 | jagernot | din is c++ |
| 01:32.10 | lcuk | and h? |
| 01:32.15 | jagernot | h is c |
| 01:32.26 | jagernot | its a n810 program if its not clear |
| 01:32.31 | qole | jagernot: my wife just told me to turn it down :) |
| 01:32.33 | jagernot | so u can try it |
| 01:32.37 | lcuk | i am.. |
| 01:33.01 | qole | if you hit too many notes too quickly, there's some weird interference stuff going on... |
| 01:33.03 | lcuk | whats the graphics in use? is it native x? |
| 01:33.03 | jagernot | as i said im still trying to work it out...im using pulse waves which distort |
| 01:33.08 | jagernot | yes qole |
| 01:33.13 | jagernot | no gdk |
| 01:33.32 | lcuk | qole, interference is fascinating :) something to be tamed ;) |
| 01:33.41 | jagernot | qole: thats right, im not happy about that..will fix it..think its because of the pulse waves im using |
| 01:33.58 | qole | still, very sweet, nice to just play random stuff, you've set it up so it doesn't sound bad even just being totally random |
| 01:34.01 | jagernot | qole: and why did ur wife ask u to turn it down |
| 01:34.20 | jagernot | yes qole..its a pentatonic scale so whatever u play will sound in tune :D |
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| 01:34.24 | jagernot | each row is 1 octave |
| 01:34.31 | jagernot | 5 rows |
| 01:34.31 | qole | I had it too loud and was playing it in the middle of the kitchen |
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| 01:35.23 | qole | I'm just standing here in the kitchen chatting on my N800 |
| 01:35.37 | qole | drinking afternoon coffee |
| 01:35.59 | jagernot | cool |
| 01:36.00 | lcuk | aren;t nokias fun :) |
| 01:36.12 | jagernot | my wife asks me to turn the volume down all the time lol |
| 01:36.13 | qole | the MOST fun. Evar. |
| 01:36.25 | lcuk | jagernot, well i have to say, you have impressed me :) |
| 01:36.44 | jagernot | so have u lcuk ;) |
| 01:37.16 | qole | jagernot: your synth is very nifty, but your naming scheme isn't the best ;) |
| 01:37.23 | lcuk | agreed qole |
| 01:37.36 | lcuk | jagernote :) |
| 01:37.55 | jagernot | lol |
| 01:38.00 | jagernot | i was thinking of calling it boxar |
| 01:38.03 | jagernot | box guitar |
| 01:38.28 | qole | One early feature I'd like to see is fullscreen. If you go fullscreen, the boxes either get bigger or there are more boxes (full octave) |
| 01:38.29 | lcuk | call it whatever you like, but think people will have to install and remember what its called |
| 01:38.32 | jagernot | it will bcome boxar qole and hopefully u wont remember the bad days |
| 01:38.43 | jagernot | how do i go full screen..i want to |
| 01:39.01 | jagernot | 2 things..i want to draw on the screen as its played...in the background....and go full screen. |
| 01:39.14 | jagernot | right now i do idle function and it messes up the audio |
| 01:39.28 | qole | I don't know how to do it programmatically, but I use wmctrl and xbindkeys to do it |
| 01:39.29 | jagernot | so i stopped drawing while playing so the boxes are empty |
| 01:39.43 | jagernot | hmm..programming |
| 01:40.07 | qole | I'm just a hacker not a programmer |
| 01:40.18 | lcuk | if you need to idle it sounds like your code is in the wrong place, you might be better with threading or changing where you process things |
| 01:41.02 | jagernot | my audio is rendered in a thread |
| 01:41.10 | jagernot | how are u doing ur scrolling? |
| 01:41.16 | jagernot | the braking |
| 01:41.29 | qole | I'm planning to put together a little hack package that will let you hit a key combo to fullscreen any tablet app, and make a pop-up keyboard available for all apps |
| 01:42.07 | lcuk | is that any x11 app qole? |
| 01:42.27 | jagernot | how do u go full screen lcuk? |
| 01:42.30 | lcuk | jager, ive taken a lateral step and used the Xv YUV video mode - its the only method which allows fullscreen tearfree rendering |
| 01:42.43 | jagernot | hey i want that! |
| 01:42.44 | lcuk | fullscreen is a parameter of the XV library and x11 window |
| 01:43.03 | jagernot | basically the idea is to light up the buttons as you play them |
| 01:43.07 | lcuk | i can choose to be fullscreen or not (but that throws things out) |
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| 01:43.28 | lcuk | and fade as required? |
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| 01:43.49 | qole | lcuk: any app that can be fullscreened with wmctrl |
| 01:44.05 | lcuk | qole, i meant the keyboards |
| 01:44.10 | lcuk | it wouldnt work for lb |
| 01:44.19 | jagernot | yep lcuk |
| 01:44.26 | jagernot | each note will light up and fade |
| 01:44.36 | jagernot | i have already done in opengl version on my laptop |
| 01:44.44 | jagernot | its nice to look at gives good feedback |
| 01:44.51 | qole | lcuk: just tried it, I can make liqbase windowed :) |
| 01:44.53 | jagernot | i can do it in idle loop but that is messing up the audio thread |
| 01:45.19 | lcuk | heh qole! but did you notice that it was still taking 800*480 and shrinking it?! |
| 01:45.35 | lcuk | only newest version automatically adapts |
| 01:45.47 | qole | it is very weird, because liqbase grabs the whole touchscreen, even though it is windowed... |
| 01:46.03 | lcuk | yeah, thats because of the xsp library |
| 01:46.15 | lcuk | i should really stop that if i ever push none fullscreen |
| 01:46.21 | qole | and yes, it looks like it is squished fullscreen |
| 01:46.45 | lcuk | but im not so bothered for now, its not a user option |
| 01:47.02 | jagernot | lcuk...what should i do..? :) |
| 01:47.31 | lcuk | i dunno jager, i dont know how you are currently doing it |
| 01:47.44 | jagernot | i use gdk |
| 01:47.56 | jagernot | have drawn the boxes on expose_event |
| 01:48.09 | jagernot | and trap button_press_event and motion_notify_event |
| 01:48.42 | jagernot | i tried idle function to update the buttons but that affects the audio rendering...breaks |
| 01:48.43 | lcuk | i dunno how gtk works, do you have a paint event |
| 01:49.15 | jagernot | neither do i b4 2 days :) |
| 01:49.19 | lcuk | heh |
| 01:49.39 | jagernot | can i post a paint event ? |
| 01:49.56 | jagernot | or get out of that main loop |
| 01:50.48 | lcuk | i dunno, maybe in your mouse event you simply need to indicate you want to render |
| 01:50.51 | qole | MPlayer can be windowed, but video disappears |
| 01:50.59 | qole | only audio |
| 01:51.05 | lcuk | then in the paint event (if there is one) you actually draw the boxes in the correct state |
| 01:51.26 | lcuk | are you sure qole? i thought it was fine in windowsed |
| 01:51.31 | lcuk | -s |
| 01:52.14 | lcuk | yeah, im watchign anna abreu now |
| 01:52.44 | jagernot | lcuk: i originally used the example code for using pressure sensitive touchscreen data. |
| 01:52.49 | jagernot | that didnt use gdk |
| 01:52.54 | jagernot | used X calls |
| 01:53.19 | jagernot | do u know how to map the touchscreen coordinates to screen coordinates (800x480) |
| 01:53.42 | jagernot | cos the values are not straight forward to map |
| 01:54.02 | jagernot | that example was drawing circles based on pressure but it was putting the circles at the wrong place |
| 01:54.35 | qole | lcuk: just reporting what happens when I try windowing it |
| 01:54.37 | lcuk | xsp library is uncalibrated |
| 01:54.55 | lcuk | yeah qole, surprised ppl are hacking :$ |
| 01:55.39 | lcuk | its a nice feeling :) |
| 01:58.06 | jagernot | is it possible to get calibrated data? |
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| 01:58.30 | qole | I think mplayer works fine windowed, if you start it that way from the command line, but it doesn't handle being windowed on-the-fly |
| 02:00.13 | jagernot | lcuk where can i find your code? |
| 02:00.33 | lcuk | jagernot, i never founda way, i just recalbrated the equation it gives and ive not heard of any problems so far |
| 02:00.44 | lcuk | garage project liqbase |
| 02:00.52 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/ |
| 02:01.07 | jagernot | cant read .deb file |
| 02:01.12 | jagernot | .tar.gz? |
| 02:01.15 | lcuk | svn |
| 02:01.21 | jagernot | oh ok |
| 02:01.25 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=716 |
| 02:02.03 | lcuk | its a bit out of date, but theres nothing drastic - if you consider using anything let me know ill give you a hand |
| 02:02.05 | qole | I *wish* other people would start using lcuk's code to add some of the neat features to their programs. |
| 02:02.53 | lcuk | qole, i wish i didnt need any of it |
| 02:03.04 | lcuk | but we need the features |
| 02:03.37 | jagernot | yeah im looking to make my synth really hot |
| 02:03.48 | jagernot | plucking based on pressure |
| 02:03.53 | qole | I'd like to see liqGL, a software OpenGL renderer that renders to the YUV overlay |
| 02:04.02 | jagernot | yeah me too |
| 02:04.51 | qole | I saw an iPhone app that lets you play beautiful ambient music with the touchscreen, wherever you touch the screen it causes a visual ripple effect |
| 02:06.47 | qole | jagernot: http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/10/review-brian-en.html |
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| 02:11.10 | qole | another blog about Bloom: http://www.intomobile.com/2008/10/09/brian-enos-bloom-iphone-app-wants-to-relax-you-while-composing.html |
| 02:11.42 | qole | That's what the iPhone's got |
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| 02:16.32 | jagernot | qole thanks |
| 02:17.06 | jagernot | but you will see that boxar will be better ;) |
| 02:17.54 | jagernot | you can specify scale patterns, arpeggios etc...vaporware now but.. |
| 02:19.03 | lcuk | jagernot, i have to go sleep now, but get in touch with me tomorrow http://liqbase.net/fading.AVI |
| 02:19.27 | qole | You gotta get a big name to be involved. See if Bono Vox can put his name on it. |
| 02:20.14 | jagernot | i dont need a big name |
| 02:20.22 | jagernot | this is free software |
| 02:20.52 | lcuk | jagernot, watch the video.. |
| 02:20.59 | jagernot | yes lcuk |
| 02:21.07 | jagernot | where r u in uk lcuk? im in uk too |
| 02:21.21 | lcuk | where bouts? |
| 02:21.31 | lcuk | manchester |
| 02:21.36 | lcuk | sorry lol tired |
| 02:21.42 | qole | lcuk: that video doesn't play on mplayer |
| 02:21.48 | jagernot | wheres the code lcuk please |
| 02:21.49 | qole | just shows a single frame |
| 02:21.50 | jagernot | i want that! |
| 02:22.13 | lcuk | that was 15 minutes with basically the same code, contact me tomorrow and we will see how best to use it |
| 02:22.21 | lcuk | same code as svn |
| 02:22.33 | jagernot | yes |
| 02:22.35 | jagernot | we should |
| 02:22.49 | jagernot | where do i start reading ur code |
| 02:22.52 | jagernot | which file |
| 02:23.17 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_testfeatures.AVI |
| 02:23.24 | lcuk | ummmmm errr |
| 02:24.05 | qole | lcuk: just downloaded it and played it, it works that way |
| 02:24.16 | qole | doesn't stream properly :) |
| 02:24.24 | qole | nice effect |
| 02:25.30 | qole | wow, 15 mb on that second one |
| 02:26.00 | lcuk | that ones nice for ideas ;) |
| 02:27.04 | lcuk | jagernot, im too tired tonight to go through, just have a look. newer modules created which use liqtile.h and have ->handler* event handlers are best |
| 02:27.36 | jagernot | ok see u 2morrow |
| 02:27.46 | lcuk | mk_micro.c should be there, its the baseline framework for a gui window, sorry theres no docs :$ i write as i need to |
| 02:27.51 | qole | there needs to be a liqbase team. lcuk makes new stuff, someone else puts it into useful apps. |
| 02:28.12 | lcuk | yes i need to be off and away from trunk |
| 02:28.18 | lcuk | anyway, gnite lads :) |
| 02:28.25 | qole | lcuk is the artist who makes the pretty baubles, he shouldn't be forced to actually make useful apps |
| 02:28.45 | lcuk | :) |
| 02:29.03 | qole | it slows you down from making more pretty things |
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| 06:54.50 | Meizirkki | hi |
| 06:55.05 | Meizirkki | anybody knows what is depmod |
| 06:55.08 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 06:56.39 | Meizirkki | i fail installing kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon because: depmod No such file of directory |
| 06:59.44 | tank-man | depmod -- program to generate modules.dep and map files. |
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| 07:04.45 | Meizirkki | where can i get it? |
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| 07:35.27 | camel_liu | hi, everybody! |
| 07:35.41 | camel_liu | Can I play .swf using gstreamer in maemo? |
| 07:35.59 | camel_liu | Is there a plugin for libswfdec? |
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| 07:44.13 | camel_liu | I'll try GStreamer Bad Plugins 0.10 |
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| 08:03.54 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
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| 08:36.41 | citylights | hi |
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| 08:37.18 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 08:37.22 | citylights | can anyone tell me |
| 08:37.29 | Khertan_n810 | me |
| 08:37.39 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 08:37.50 | citylights | i can't edit the application menu |
| 08:38.06 | citylights | to set the program order |
| 08:38.32 | citylights | my .desktop file was destroied |
| 08:38.45 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 08:39.03 | Khertan_n810 | you don t edit it with navigation control panel ? |
| 08:39.42 | citylights | on thr left the button with boxs. the one that shows all application on my handheld |
| 08:40.30 | citylights | i cant edit it with panels from th control panel |
| 08:41.40 | Khertan_n810 | yep ? |
| 08:41.40 | Khertan_n810 | you can t drag application ? |
| 08:42.41 | Khertan_n810 | strange |
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| 09:02.42 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 09:04.28 | Jaffa | Morning |
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| 09:26.26 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: Is there something that automatically installs packages that are listed in your .txt files? |
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| 10:08.29 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: only a long chain of unix commands :P |
| 10:08.43 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 10:09.56 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:25.00 | lardman | X-Fade: ping |
| 10:25.06 | X-Fade | lardman: pong |
| 10:25.30 | lardman | Yesterday squid was "crapping out" on the wiki |
| 10:25.49 | lardman | the General was wondering if squid is necessary for the wiki |
| 10:26.14 | lardman | still doing it for me here anyway: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM |
| 10:26.27 | X-Fade | No the squid is not needed. It is a side effect of how it was configured for the old situation. |
| 10:26.32 | lardman | useful error message ;) "crap.." |
| 10:26.41 | X-Fade | The server should be reconfigured. |
| 10:26.46 | lardman | ah fair enough, just thought I'd mention it |
| 10:27.21 | X-Fade | It is already on the agenda. |
| 10:27.29 | lardman | cool |
| 10:27.33 | X-Fade | So I hope it will be done soon ;) |
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| 10:46.31 | robtaylor | make |
| 10:46.39 | robtaylor | damnit, wrong window =) |
| 10:46.54 | Stskeeps | this isn't an android phone, you know |
| 10:46.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 11:08.54 | pupnik810 | hmmmmmmmmmmm aaaggggaaaaiiiinnn sooooo laaagggggeeddddd? |
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| 11:10.32 | Stskeeps | heh, poor pupnik810. at my dorm network we are capable of having 100mbit/s between each residence, but the provider has limited it to 200kb/s for dubious reasons |
| 11:10.35 | Stskeeps | fuckers |
| 11:10.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:11.13 | pupnik810 | 49 second ping |
| 11:11.51 | Stskeeps | neat :P |
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| 12:17.55 | notcoolbuthot | hi, does anybody know if eclipse Europa is capable of updating the makefiles and the other build-related stuff when you add a class to a maemo project ? |
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| 12:22.13 | lardman | does anyone actually have an n95/n81 that they could do some GPS comparisons with? |
| 12:22.25 | lardman | you'll need an n810 too |
| 12:22.49 | lardman | or would Nokia like to lend me one to do some testing with? |
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| 12:28.45 | X-Fade | lardman: What do you want to test? |
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| 12:33.06 | lardman | gps chipset performance |
| 12:33.42 | X-Fade | Ah, to get a baseline.. |
| 12:33.47 | lardman | yep |
| 12:33.57 | X-Fade | But you would be testing antenna performance, probably.. |
| 12:34.06 | lardman | yes pretty much |
| 12:34.17 | lardman | and I'd like to grab agps data and rule that out too |
| 12:34.25 | lardman | just to finally lay this to rest |
| 12:37.32 | X-Fade | Any idea how you would capture the data from the phone? |
| 12:37.55 | lardman | yeah, I've dug out a couple of apps |
| 12:38.35 | lardman | in the bug iirc, let me find the post # |
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| 12:39.16 | lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878#c83 |
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| 12:41.46 | lopz | hola |
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| 12:57.18 | notcoolbuthot | does anyone know how to make a new project for maemo with auto-managed makefile in eclipse? so that any new class source files added will be taken into account and will be present in the makefile ? |
| 12:58.39 | lardman | no |
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| 12:59.49 | notcoolbuthot | or put in another way.. if I make a maemo template with eclipse, how can I add a new class in such a way that when I compile things it will be taken into account? |
| 13:00.48 | cars__ | Hi guys, I have two issues: First, Maemopad+ suddenly comes up blank - all my data is gone even though it was saved. What is the default location foe maemopad's data, and does anyone have suggestions for possible recovery of the data? Second, my internal speakers are no longer functioning. It's as if the device has muted them because it thinks there are headphones plugged in the speakers work intermittently if I put headphones |
| 13:00.49 | cars__ | slightly into the jack. |
| 13:00.51 | X-Fade | notcoolbuthot: Did you look at Pluthon? http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 13:02.13 | cars__ | The possible recovery of the data is the more important issue at the moment. |
| 13:03.05 | X-Fade | notcoolbuthot: Or esxbox if you use C/C++? http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 13:03.39 | X-Fade | s/esxbox/esbox/ |
| 13:08.37 | notcoolbuthot | X-Fade: I am using ESBox plugin and I can run templates both on the emulator and on the device via SSH, I also make modifications to the templates and they work, but what I am interested in is how can I add a class to one of those templates, or to the maemo empty project, in such way that before running it I won't have to manualy change the Makefile or autogen or config or that building stuff |
| 13:09.35 | X-Fade | notcoolbuthot: I haven't used eclipse myself, but can't you add your files to the project, so it will include them automatically? |
| 13:10.19 | notcoolbuthot | no, when I add the files it doesn't automaticaly generate new building files, and the compiler does not take them into account |
| 13:10.21 | notcoolbuthot | :( |
| 13:11.15 | X-Fade | There must be an option to regenerate those files. I really can't imagine that you have to manually hack on your makefile and autotools files. |
| 13:13.33 | Stskeeps | cars__: somewhere in /home/user definately.. |
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| 13:24.40 | lcuk | mental note: bacon ribs are not bacon, they are like beggin strips |
| 13:28.44 | cars__ | thanks Stskeeps. |
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| 13:30.35 | Meizirkki | You are doing great work with maemo-recontrtucted :) |
| 13:31.07 | Meizirkki | Are you going to add compiled packages to m-r repository soon? |
| 13:31.57 | Stskeeps | eventually when i get bored enough to tinker with rerepro |
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| 13:34.43 | Stskeeps | just really looking forward to getting hildon going on it |
| 13:34.47 | Stskeeps | so we can show off some things |
| 13:35.17 | Meizirkki | ok' |
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| 13:37.31 | Meizirkki | I lied when i said that i will keep my roofs small ;) |
| 13:38.02 | Meizirkki | i tried to get ubuntu mobile going with the new kourou |
| 13:38.19 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:38.27 | Stskeeps | it's fine, that's my job to see if we can squeeze it |
| 13:38.34 | Meizirkki | you have some u-m packages at packages.tspre.org... |
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| 13:38.49 | Meizirkki | i tried to install these, but still missing some depends |
| 13:38.52 | Stskeeps | yeah, built some of them for deblet at one point |
| 13:38.56 | Stskeeps | i don't expect u-m to fit in 250mb flash :P |
| 13:39.17 | Meizirkki | I don't think it is -that- big... |
| 13:39.38 | Stskeeps | we'll see, i guess |
| 13:39.51 | Stskeeps | okay |
| 13:40.03 | Stskeeps | why on fucking earth does hildon-thumbnail require -vala- to combine? |
| 13:40.20 | Meizirkki | don't know... ;) |
| 13:40.21 | Stskeeps | i mean, come on |
| 13:41.09 | Meizirkki | okay, even if ubuntu-mobile fits in flash, there will be no space to install anything else... |
| 13:41.17 | Stskeeps | hehe, yeah |
| 13:41.33 | Stskeeps | but being able to install U-M interface when cloned to SD is okay |
| 13:41.43 | hahlobit | is there ubuntu for tablets too? |
| 13:42.01 | Meizirkki | it does not work 100% |
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| 13:42.49 | Meizirkki | I'll try if i can get flash working... then mobile-basic-flash... |
| 13:43.06 | Meizirkki | kourou has too much missing depends... |
| 13:44.03 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 13:44.37 | hahlobit | deblet and maemo only working distros? |
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| 13:45.37 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 13:45.55 | Stskeeps | deblet, maemo, mamona, .. slackware i think someone did too, .. |
| 13:46.08 | hahlobit | cool |
| 13:46.53 | Stskeeps | and we're working on a experimental maemo, where it's designed to be a future version of maemo :P |
| 13:46.59 | Stskeeps | (non-nokia people) |
| 13:49.40 | lcuk | (earthlings) |
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| 13:50.28 | lcuk | Stskeeps, how did the lecture go |
| 13:51.58 | Stskeeps | lcuk: kid next door ran around, jumping, screaming until 3-4am last night |
| 13:52.14 | lcuk | what were you doing next door till that later? |
| 13:52.17 | lcuk | :P |
| 13:52.20 | lcuk | late ^ |
| 13:52.38 | Stskeeps | well i could obviously hear the kid through the walls and floor .. :P |
| 13:52.50 | Stskeeps | and i hadn't made myself a proper dinner so i was hungry => totally dead in the morning :P |
| 13:53.00 | Stskeeps | so taking a sick day off |
| 13:53.07 | lcuk | i suppose the dog ate your homework as well :P |
| 13:53.29 | Stskeeps | didn't have any to hand in |
| 13:53.50 | lcuk | heh, im only yanking your chain |
| 13:53.58 | lcuk | have you won any battles this morning then |
| 13:54.13 | jumpula | in soviet it industry, homework eats your dog |
| 13:54.18 | lcuk | ie managed to fit bootable maemo onto a floppy? |
| 13:54.29 | Stskeeps | hehe. maybe a 120mb floppy |
| 13:54.33 | Stskeeps | no, just compiling packages today |
| 13:54.56 | dneary | hey ho |
| 13:54.58 | lcuk | its a start, "please insert disk #98 to ocntinue installation" |
| 13:55.08 | lcuk | hiya dave |
| 13:55.31 | lcuk | crapola, back later |
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| 14:01.50 | Meizirkki | i lost all window decorations on my interpid computer |
| 14:01.54 | Meizirkki | weird |
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| 14:15.22 | Meizirkki | what the hell? |
| 14:15.33 | Meizirkki | rm: No not found |
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| 14:15.41 | Meizirkki | *not found |
| 14:16.16 | Stskeeps | you're having about as good a day as me it seems |
| 14:16.22 | Meizirkki | /bin/sh: not found |
| 14:16.24 | GAN800 | pulls his hair out over 3844 and 3845 |
| 14:16.37 | GAN800 | What the hell in qgil thinking? |
| 14:16.43 | GAN800 | s/in/is/ |
| 14:17.07 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: your ld.so maybe? |
| 14:17.17 | Meizirkki | it looks like i just destroyed my ubuntu |
| 14:17.32 | Meizirkki | there is no /bin/sh ! |
| 14:18.28 | GAN800 | Can somebody maybe put together some patches for it at least? |
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| 14:18.28 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: desktop one? |
| 14:18.29 | Meizirkki | no, tablet |
| 14:18.29 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:18.29 | Stskeeps | happens |
| 14:18.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:18.32 | X-Fade | GAN800: In the end it is Marius' call. And he doesn't seem unreasonable or unwilling to me ;) |
| 14:18.49 | Meizirkki | okay, i'm gonna start all over again ;) |
| 14:19.15 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:19.20 | Stskeeps | what'd you do that caused it? |
| 14:19.34 | Meizirkki | i don't know |
| 14:19.36 | Meizirkki | wait |
| 14:19.44 | Meizirkki | therer IS /bin/sh |
| 14:19.55 | Meizirkki | chroot says not found |
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| 14:20.55 | mgedmin | Meizirkki: you're missing a dynamic library |
| 14:20.58 | mgedmin | or the linker |
| 14:21.00 | mgedmin | in your chroot |
| 14:21.14 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 14:21.18 | Meizirkki | rebooting |
| 14:21.28 | mgedmin | that's not going to fix anything |
| 14:21.40 | Meizirkki | it might fix |
| 14:22.25 | Meizirkki | you don't know what have i done to my tablet ;) |
| 14:23.21 | Meizirkki | okay it did not fix... |
| 14:23.38 | Juhaz | of course not. |
| 14:23.52 | Meizirkki | it worked fine about minute ago |
| 14:24.03 | Meizirkki | What should i do? |
| 14:24.26 | Meizirkki | :) |
| 14:24.29 | Juhaz | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list /bin/sh |
| 14:25.41 | Meizirkki | in maemo? |
| 14:25.46 | Meizirkki | or via telnet? |
| 14:26.00 | Meizirkki | in maemo: here: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: Not found |
| 14:26.15 | Stskeeps | chroot /path /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list /bin/sh |
| 14:26.21 | slapin | Meizirkki, try .3 |
| 14:26.44 | slapin | Meizirkki, if everything else fails |
| 14:27.19 | Meizirkki | wait... |
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| 14:28.10 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: atleast you didn't come close to maiming your maemo install like i did the other day :P |
| 14:28.33 | Meizirkki_n810 | #/home/user # /lib/ld-linux.so.3 --list /bin/sh |
| 14:28.41 | Meizirkki_n810 | s*** |
| 14:28.47 | Meizirkki_n810 | paste problem again |
| 14:29.01 | Meizirkki_n810 | The website? |
| 14:29.20 | Meizirkki_n810 | where i can paste? |
| 14:29.45 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 14:29.46 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 14:29.54 | lardman | that what you're after? |
| 14:30.07 | Meizirkki_n810 | yep, thanks |
| 14:30.10 | lardman | np |
| 14:30.19 | Jaffa | GAN800: doh |
| 14:31.17 | Meizirkki_n810 | http://pastebin.com/d5bb94a6b |
| 14:32.01 | Juhaz | what Stskeeps said. that's not from the chroot, is it? |
| 14:33.06 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: chroot /path /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list /bin/sh |
| 14:33.10 | Meizirkki | sec |
| 14:33.30 | Meizirkki_n810 | http://pastebin.com/d2ec0ffb6 |
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| 14:33.50 | Stskeeps | any other ld-linux files there? |
| 14:34.07 | Stskeeps | if not, that's why your sys doesn't work :P |
| 14:34.59 | Meizirkki_n810 | http://pastebin.com/d46f2be98 |
| 14:35.06 | Meizirkki | there is no files... |
| 14:35.33 | Stskeeps | in /lib? |
| 14:35.55 | Stskeeps | well, that's why your sys doesn't work, time to start over :P |
| 14:36.02 | Meizirkki_n810 | maemos /lib or m-r:s /lib? |
| 14:36.13 | Meizirkki | yep |
| 14:36.19 | Stskeeps | m-r's :P |
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| 14:37.23 | Meizirkki | i have been starting over about 10 times, but that does not matter, because i have nothing very important going on and thins is bun anyway ;) |
| 14:37.34 | Meizirkki | *fun |
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| 14:40.00 | Stskeeps | is (thank god) getting closer to being able to build hildon-desktop |
| 14:40.47 | Meizirkki | looking forward to test it :) |
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| 15:11.15 | Stskeeps | admits to himself he has -no- clue how maemo's l10n packages are structured. |
| 15:14.11 | Stskeeps | ah. there. |
| 15:14.55 | suihkulokki | it's not really as complicated as it seems |
| 15:15.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, i got confused by the -public source packages and the ones in trunk |
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| 15:54.51 | camel_liu | hi, everyone! |
| 15:55.20 | andre____ | hi. |
| 15:55.54 | camel_liu | When I build swfdec-0.8.2 in scratchbox, I met: -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so -pthread |
| 15:55.55 | camel_liu | //usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `hildon_g_scanner_cache_open' |
| 15:56.23 | camel_liu | Could anyone give a help? |
| 15:57.26 | GAN800 | You didn't get the Debian forwarding thing either, eh, andre__? |
| 15:57.59 | camel_liu | In order to install swfdec, I have to download, configure, build and install so many package, and used a whole night. |
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| 15:58.37 | melmoth | camel_liu, most probably some -L or -I option lacking |
| 15:58.45 | melmoth | pkg-config should help you |
| 15:58.47 | dneary | Hi all |
| 15:59.00 | camel_liu | hildon_g_scanner_cache_open is obviously relative to maemo. |
| 15:59.02 | GAN800 | Hi |
| 15:59.10 | camel_liu | hi all |
| 15:59.39 | GAN800 | Hrm, I wonder who thumbed my categories post. |
| 16:00.14 | camel_liu | melmoth, What should I do? |
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| 16:00.41 | melmoth | try to find wich package define hildon_g_scanner_cache_open . |
| 16:01.05 | melmoth | find wich file in /usr/include defines it, and try to match it with an entry in "pkg-config --list-all" |
| 16:01.23 | qwerty12 | Is it *strictly* required to call osso_deinitialize? |
| 16:01.36 | andre__ | GAN800, what debian thing? |
| 16:01.44 | qwerty12 | osso_initialize is a must, I know but I'm lazy. |
| 16:01.47 | andre__ | probably not :) |
| 16:01.49 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: Can i try the Xomap package in m-r repo? |
| 16:02.01 | Meizirkki | or is it sure that it won't work? |
| 16:02.04 | qwerty12 | andre__, Heh, thanks. I'm guessing if it quits, it quits :P :) |
| 16:02.20 | GAN800 | andre__, foo's post on your blog. |
| 16:02.53 | melmoth | camel_liu, then add the missing package in your gcc line with `pkg-config --cflags pkgname --libs pkgname` |
| 16:03.07 | camel_liu | melmoth, I'm new in linux. There're many files, how to find a file defined that? |
| 16:03.32 | melmoth | grep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr |
| 16:03.37 | melmoth | should do the trick |
| 16:03.44 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: should work |
| 16:03.57 | melmoth | maye be evene better to try grep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr |grep define |
| 16:04.00 | andre__ | GAN800, ah. no clue. people should use real email addresses so i can follow up. if it's just a debian fanboy it's sth to ignore, if he's a bit involved it could be interesting to continue discussing |
| 16:04.02 | camel_liu | I'm trying |
| 16:04.06 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: the deblet one is the same |
| 16:04.14 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 16:04.47 | GAN800 | andre__, I was having trouble imagining exactly what would be forwarded |
| 16:04.58 | andre__ | same here |
| 16:05.24 | GAN800 | Maybe if Maemo "R" goes through for Fremantle or later and we're actually somewhat aligned with upstream. . . . |
| 16:05.42 | camel_liu | -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so -pthread //usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `hildon_g_scanner_cache_open' |
| 16:06.08 | camel_liu | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 16:06.08 | camel_liu | make[2]: *** [swfplay] Error 1 |
| 16:06.35 | Stskeeps | GAN800: so far it seems like maemo is more aligned than i thought |
| 16:06.46 | Stskeeps | people just have the wrong view |
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| 16:07.50 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, perception not meeting reality? Interesting. ;) |
| 16:08.06 | Stskeeps | and it really depends what people want |
| 16:08.28 | Stskeeps | should maemo surrender and merge to be a part of debian? because that's a uphill battle cos debian doesn't target mobile devices as such |
| 16:08.33 | suihkulokki | people want free cake and eat it |
| 16:09.02 | Stskeeps | and some of the abilities of maemo are difficult to merge with traditional desktop systems without breaking everything else |
| 16:09.11 | Stskeeps | and ending with a sub-optimal result |
| 16:10.00 | camel_liu | melmoth, it returns many lines ending with 'No such file or directory' |
| 16:10.10 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: the only big non-alignement as far as I see is gtk |
| 16:10.23 | camel_liu | and the last line is 'grep: warning: /usr/X11R6/bin/X11: recursive directory loop' |
| 16:10.44 | suihkulokki | with QT things should be merrier (as trolls actually understand why binary compatablity is important) |
| 16:10.47 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i think it's minimal things when it comes to it, - i did the experiment of running maemo-gtk in LXDE |
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| 16:10.54 | Stskeeps | it didn't burn -that- badly |
| 16:11.35 | Stskeeps | and part of the R thing we're doing atm is to find the places where maemo gtk makes interoperability impossible |
| 16:11.56 | suihkulokki | Hmm, in that direction things would indeed be easier to work |
| 16:12.03 | Stskeeps | i think having a community-controlled distribution will really satisfy most people |
| 16:12.10 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I'm taking away your hyphen privileges. :P |
| 16:12.11 | suihkulokki | running maemo-gtk apps on top of stock gtk is more painfull |
| 16:12.16 | camel_liu | 'grep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr' returns some matches: libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.12, libgtk-x11-2.0.so |
| 16:12.29 | GAN800 | No more ', - ' :p |
| 16:12.30 | Stskeeps | yeah, and again, why should you run hildonized apps on gtk? |
| 16:12.48 | Stskeeps | hildonized apps are for mobile devices, not desktops :) |
| 16:13.08 | melmoth | camel_liu, are you compiling something you wrote, something somebody else wrote ? did he create a makefile ? |
| 16:13.25 | camel_liu | melmoth, I think libglib and libgtk-x11 are the reason |
| 16:13.32 | melmoth | if you wrote things, find where the symbol comes from and use pkg-config to add the correct I and L option to the gcc command |
| 16:13.40 | camel_liu | of cause |
| 16:13.59 | camel_liu | I built many packages from source tonight |
| 16:14.14 | camel_liu | begin from glib |
| 16:14.41 | melmoth | hmm. You should have glib and glib-devel in your scratchbox by default |
| 16:15.33 | camel_liu | libsoup, pixman, cairo and then swfdec |
| 16:16.06 | Meizirkki | M-R guys: I am reading a pdf from mojo site and there was speed test between armv5 and armv6 |
| 16:16.14 | Stskeeps | url? |
| 16:16.17 | Meizirkki | Tested on a TI BeagleBoard, we saw a 15-20% speedup |
| 16:16.17 | Meizirkki | from the Hasty ARMv5EL distribution to the Hasty ARMv6EL+VFP |
| 16:16.30 | Meizirkki | mojo.handhelds.org |
| 16:16.35 | Stskeeps | yeah, but more exact? :P |
| 16:16.37 | Meizirkki | it is on the home page |
| 16:16.49 | melmoth | camel_liu, i think there is no need to recompile libsoup nor cairo as there are already available too |
| 16:17.02 | camel_liu | I have just install glib-2.18.2 from source in scratchbox |
| 16:17.05 | melmoth | at least in extras, maybe cairo is in the regular repository |
| 16:17.20 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: http://mojo.handhelds.org/files/HandheldsMojo_CELF2008.pdf |
| 16:17.30 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 16:17.38 | melmoth | camel_liu, why ? |
| 16:17.39 | camel_liu | but newest swfdec require new version of them. |
| 16:17.55 | melmoth | camel_liu, use the one available in the repos, |
| 16:18.19 | melmoth | all the binary are build on top of them. yuou change the glib binary you use, you take the risj of breaking everything that use it. |
| 16:18.21 | camel_liu | i cannot find swfdec from repo! |
| 16:18.27 | melmoth | wich is, mainly eveything in maemo |
| 16:19.06 | melmoth | well, then try to port it and have it compile againts the glib version diablo use |
| 16:19.37 | camel_liu | how can I fix my glib then? |
| 16:20.04 | melmoth | reinstall scratchbox ? |
| 16:20.12 | camel_liu | ah? |
| 16:20.30 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i honestly think people just want to have maemo platform so they can use it in their distros, be more popular in the huge exploding market, using to their advantage etc.. |
| 16:20.44 | camel_liu | reinstall scratchbox and maemo SDK again? |
| 16:20.57 | Meizirkki | From the mojo PDF: Considering building Debian |
| 16:21.04 | Meizirkki | in future work |
| 16:21.05 | Stskeeps | sounds good |
| 16:21.10 | Stskeeps | better not be 'arm' platform name. |
| 16:21.15 | Meizirkki | yep |
| 16:21.34 | melmoth | may be just reinstalling the sdk would be enough. I do not know to be honest. I use scratchbox in a virtual machine, so when i break it, in resintall everything |
| 16:21.40 | melmoth | just to be sure . |
| 16:22.00 | Stskeeps | GAN800: whereas a open platform like maemo that is easy to understand and move to other devices etc will do the trick instead.. why align to distros? its the individual packages that should get packages :P |
| 16:22.04 | Stskeeps | er |
| 16:22.06 | Stskeeps | patches |
| 16:22.12 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: maybe we should spam their mail-list with messages asking about arch-naming? ;P |
| 16:22.53 | camel_liu | melmoth, is not the problem of libglib and libgtk-x11? |
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| 16:23.18 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: nah, better not bite the hand that feeds.. |
| 16:23.30 | Meizirkki | :) |
| 16:23.39 | Stskeeps | camel_liu: did you per chance recompile gtk too? |
| 16:23.52 | camel_liu | no, just glib |
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| 16:24.33 | melmoth | camel_liu, chances are this symbol is specific to the maemo glibc https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/glib/glib/gscanner.h |
| 16:24.38 | camel_liu | can I unintsall glib and reinstall it fromn repo? |
| 16:24.49 | melmoth | you can try |
| 16:25.09 | melmoth | s/maemo glibc/maemo glib/ |
| 16:25.27 | camel_liu | ?? |
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| 16:26.10 | melmoth | was there not a bot suppose to tell what i meant when using s/// ? |
| 16:26.24 | Stskeeps | infobot, yeah |
| 16:26.25 | infobot | rumour has it, yeah is YEAH |
| 16:26.33 | camel_liu | yes |
| 16:27.00 | melmoth | I meant glib not glibc in my previous sentence. That was what was meant with the s/maemo glibc/maemo glib/ |
| 16:27.20 | qwerty12 | melmoth, it only corrects the last sentence you did |
| 16:27.21 | camel_liu | oh |
| 16:27.28 | melmoth | may the flea of a thousand camel infest your most intimate region oh infobot for having missed my s/// ! |
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| 16:28.27 | qwerty12 | ~curse overly long Makefile.in & Makefile.am files |
| 16:28.27 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, overly long Makefile.in & Makefile.am files ! |
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| 16:30.05 | camel_liu | I want to play .swf in my program using gstreamer, gst-plugins-bad and swfdec. |
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| 16:31.31 | camel_liu | melmoth, but I cannot find gst-plugins-bad and swfdec from maemo repo. |
| 16:32.18 | melmoth | most probably this is because of the nature of the bad plugings themsefl. Are there not the proprietary one ? |
| 16:32.49 | camel_liu | yes, .swf is non-free |
| 16:32.49 | melmoth | or are those the ulgy one ? |
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| 16:33.28 | melmoth | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-plugins-bad.html looks like proprietary are the ugly ones |
| 16:33.52 | melmoth | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-plugins-ugly.html |
| 16:34.25 | camel_liu | I download gst-plugins-bad from there |
| 16:34.33 | melmoth | ok. |
| 16:34.51 | melmoth | I m just wondering. Is not uktube using gstreamer to display youtube video ? |
| 16:34.57 | camel_liu | but first I have to install swfdec, the plugin needs it |
| 16:35.06 | melmoth | I m not sure, but if this is the case, you may want to look at how it does. |
| 16:35.25 | melmoth | if it s using gstreamer, it will be the most easy way to get inspired. |
| 16:35.39 | camel_liu | mplayer is using gstreamer |
| 16:35.50 | melmoth | otherwise, you will have to recompile the plugin coming from free desktop, but, against the library avaialble in scatchbox, wich may be ...tricky |
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| 16:40.58 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i am going to give one more try for ubuntu-mobile. Is there any results of working flash with deblet-flashplayer? |
| 16:41.19 | Stskeeps | haven't worked on it and talking a bit to my finnish ex atm, so im a bit occupied =P |
| 16:42.18 | Meizirkki | :) |
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| 17:07.25 | Stskeeps | lo johnx |
| 17:08.02 | johnx | hi |
| 17:08.15 | johnx | gets on jaiku |
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| 17:09.25 | johnx | hildon-thumbnail certainly has interesting depends, huh? |
| 17:11.08 | Stskeeps | i'm at osso-gwconnect now and pondering why version 3.29 of libbluetooth-dev doesn't satisfy > 3.2 |
| 17:12.34 | johnx | I'll take a look |
| 17:13.34 | Stskeeps | think it's just to remove the >= really. |
| 17:13.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:15.00 | solca | Hi! I'm wondering why in Deblet using the latest omap git tree kernel \ |
| 17:15.28 | solca | using ext2 as the rootfs any operation end in something like 'Stale NFS file handler' |
| 17:15.31 | solca | any ideas? |
| 17:15.51 | Stskeeps | this on tablet? |
| 17:16.04 | solca | yes |
| 17:16.39 | Stskeeps | i have no idea really - didn't try with any other kernel than diablo |
| 17:16.53 | Stskeeps | or how tablet acts without dsme and friends |
| 17:17.19 | solca | but I try with ext3 and everything works fine except that it reboots |
| 17:17.27 | solca | really weird |
| 17:17.39 | Stskeeps | disabled lifeguard and watchdog |
| 17:17.39 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 17:18.07 | solca | yes I disabled all the 2 watchdogs and the lifeguard and same thing |
| 17:18.14 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:18.42 | solca | other good thing is that the new stlc45xx is working for me in Diablo but not in Deblet |
| 17:19.09 | solca | I presume Deblet runs all the dsme stuff right? |
| 17:19.25 | Stskeeps | solca: you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , we have a jaiku channel for making a proof of concept for it at http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC (if you need a jaiku invite say) |
| 17:19.30 | Stskeeps | deblet gets dsme from initfs |
| 17:19.40 | Stskeeps | as deblet is a bit of a dead end regarding power consumption right now |
| 17:20.06 | johnx | is your kernel using initfs or is it mounting the rootfs directly? |
| 17:20.22 | solca | johnx: is mounting mmcblk0p2 directly |
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| 17:21.50 | johnx | hey Meizirkki_n810 :) |
| 17:22.06 | Meizirkki_n810 | hi |
| 17:22.25 | solca | Stskeeps: will take a look at that sites |
| 17:22.49 | Stskeeps | and skills like yours could definately come in handy |
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| 17:24.44 | solca | Stskeeps: sure, just that I'm new to the tablets |
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| 17:25.00 | Mousey | huggles his n810 |
| 17:25.02 | solca | but I want to help in anything I can |
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| 17:25.14 | Mousey | huggles solca |
| 17:25.34 | qwerty12 | Mousey, Get a room! :P |
| 17:25.42 | Mousey | huggles qwerty12 |
| 17:25.45 | Mousey | ^___^ |
| 17:25.50 | qwerty12 | :P |
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| 17:26.39 | Stskeeps | johnx: i had no idea nokia's send by bluetooth/turn on off etc was open sourced :P |
| 17:26.51 | Stskeeps | (osso-gwconnect) |
| 17:27.20 | johnx | I think I knew that osso-gwconnect was open sourced, but I don't think I ever looked what it did |
| 17:27.58 | Stskeeps | it's stuff like sdp queries etc, dbus, etc |
| 17:28.47 | solca | one newbie question: what are the differences between the retu and omap watchdogs and why 2 watchdogs? |
| 17:30.53 | Stskeeps | good question |
| 17:31.57 | suihkulokki | historic reasons |
| 17:32.45 | solca | suihkulokki: please elaborate... :) |
| 17:32.48 | Meizirkki_n810 | If mojo project starts to compile debian, it propably will carry arm architecture, but if mojo:s projects grow a lot, people will start to compile everything with arm name :) |
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| 17:33.28 | suihkulokki | I hope if mojo starts compiling debian they use armel |
| 17:33.29 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: better be armel or they will be having a fatwa from debian.. |
| 17:33.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:33.54 | Meizirkki_n810 | .) |
| 17:33.59 | Meizirkki_n810 | whops |
| 17:34.01 | Meizirkki_n810 | :) |
| 17:34.12 | suihkulokki | besides, the official ubuntu arm port will use armel as well, afaik |
| 17:34.56 | johnx | Stskeeps, what did you end up doing about osso-gnome-vfs using deprecated glib functions? |
| 17:35.12 | Meizirkki_n810 | is there any information yet about the offical ubuntu arm port? |
| 17:36.17 | suihkulokki | Meizirkki_n810: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ARM-EL-port |
| 17:37.05 | Meizirkki_n810 | thanks |
| 17:37.08 | johnx | solca, it seems (from a couple mailing lists) that retu watchdog was just used differently in the past |
| 17:37.31 | johnx | but, IIRC, in later kernels it behaves like a normal watchdog |
| 17:38.07 | solca | johnx: could that be the problem that I get latest kernel rebooting, that I need a normal watchdog daemon to keep it happy? |
| 17:38.48 | solca | how maemo and deblet keep the watchdogs happy in the maemo 2.6.21 kernel? |
| 17:39.06 | lardman | dsme |
| 17:39.19 | johnx | deblet and maemo both run a lot of things from initfs before actually getting control |
| 17:40.34 | solca | I'm confused by the dsme stuff, what I know is that there exists a config partition |
| 17:40.52 | solca | where things like R&D variables are stored |
| 17:41.12 | solca | but if you enable let's say the no-retu-wd flag |
| 17:41.37 | suihkulokki | solca: you can remove retu and omap-wd support from kernel and neither should bother you |
| 17:41.43 | solca | somebody has to poll that variable and don't activate the watchdog, right? |
| 17:41.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: G_GNUC_FUNCTION -> G_STRFUNC |
| 17:42.08 | johnx | was the change that small? |
| 17:42.08 | qwerty12 | solca, like lardman says, dsme |
| 17:42.13 | suihkulokki | solca: someone said the rebooting on newer kernel is due to overheating (or something thinking it's overheating) |
| 17:42.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, in two files |
| 17:42.44 | johnx | heh, ok. I won't bother with a glib rebuild then :) |
| 17:43.16 | solca | suihkulokki: great info! I'll disable the watchdogs |
| 17:43.42 | solca | suihkulokki: one more thing, doest maemo uses the normal cpufreq stuff or its own |
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| 17:43.49 | solca | to keep cool the cpu? |
| 17:44.58 | solca | the n800_defconfig has the CPUFREQ stuff disabled |
| 17:45.13 | solca | but if I remember correctly the maemo kernel have it enabled |
| 17:45.17 | suihkulokki | solca: that's probably better asked on linux-omap mailing list |
| 17:45.29 | solca | suihkulokki: ok thanks |
| 17:45.35 | johnx | well, (again, IIRC) there are two things at work: cpufreq and support for dvfs |
| 17:45.41 | johnx | in maemo, that is |
| 17:46.08 | johnx | even if you disable cpufreq the CPU will still idle when it doesn't have any work to do |
| 17:46.48 | johnx | but, all it takes is some small loop running to keep the CPU from idling |
| 17:46.54 | GAN800 | Wow, Tim got laid off too. |
| 17:47.15 | solca | johnx: AFAIK cpufreq will reduce the speed of the processor and a kernel with NOHZ will sit idle until a timer expires or an interrupt |
| 17:47.52 | solca | johnx: who is working in cpufreq, so I presume the cpufreq in maemo kernel is not the standard in Linux? |
| 17:48.18 | Stskeeps | GAN800: where was he at? |
| 17:48.29 | johnx | solca, that's more than I know |
| 17:48.53 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, not sure, but not Nokia anyway |
| 17:49.21 | solca | johnx: ok thanks! I'll keep investigating... |
| 17:49.53 | Stskeeps | gets going on hildonfm |
| 17:50.20 | lardman | GAN800: bad news |
| 17:50.20 | Meizirkki_n810 | is installing ubuntu-mobile (again) |
| 17:50.38 | lardman | goes back to debugging bloody Windows applications |
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| 17:53.17 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: video-omapfb crashed on my real n800 too btw |
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| 18:00.06 | Meizirkki | Noo, it is storm here >:( |
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| 18:01.24 | Stskeeps | "implements its power management by passing tokenised dead mice through a wormhole" |
| 18:01.28 | Stskeeps | best quote ever |
| 18:01.43 | Meizirkki | :) |
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| 18:06.01 | Meizirkki | i have installed both xserver-xomap from deblet repo and xserver-xorg-video-omapfb from m-r repo |
| 18:07.26 | Meizirkki | is there something else that needs to be installed for working X? |
| 18:08.49 | Stskeeps | ah, xserver-xomap ought to be enough |
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| 18:10.12 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 18:10.21 | Stskeeps | refer to Xomap, not X, when running X |
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| 18:11.23 | Meizirkki | what does the package tablet-hw-su-18-nonfree contain? |
| 18:11.45 | Stskeeps | something that constructs a local repository and fetches some hardware-specific packages from nokia for it |
| 18:12.27 | Meizirkki_n810 | sh** i accidentally kicked my computer :( |
| 18:12.49 | qwerty12 | Meizirkki_n810, You do that by accident? :P |
| 18:13.35 | Meizirkki_n810 | i accidentally kicked the table, that my computer is on |
| 18:14.04 | Meizirkki_n810 | Now it does not boot up :( |
| 18:15.06 | Stskeeps | deblet/m-r victim count: electrocuted 770, dead sd cards, and now a computer |
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| 18:15.50 | Meizirkki_n810 | Stskeeps: what is difference between tablet-hw-su-18-nonfree and tablet-hw-support-n8x0-nonfree |
| 18:15.51 | lcuk | GAN800, :O @ news |
| 18:15.58 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: are you missing /dev/fb ? |
| 18:16.13 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: think i have it since i have fbcon.. |
| 18:16.30 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki_n810: one of them is a virtual package |
| 18:16.33 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 18:16.34 | Stskeeps | no |
| 18:16.38 | Stskeeps | one is for 770, one is for n8x0 |
| 18:16.44 | Meizirkki_n810 | ok |
| 18:17.00 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: on my default deblet there was only /dev/fb0 |
| 18:17.15 | Meizirkki_n810 | so i will use n8x0. :) |
| 18:17.17 | suihkulokki | added a symlink and it started working |
| 18:17.23 | Stskeeps | and it needs all three? k |
| 18:17.31 | Stskeeps | i'll boot into it later |
| 18:17.44 | Meizirkki_n810 | Whew, my computer finally boots up... :) |
| 18:18.05 | suihkulokki | fb -> fb0 syml |
| 18:19.21 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:19.21 | Stskeeps | thought udev takes care of that |
| 18:19.21 | suihkulokki | yes, it should probably be fixed in udev |
| 18:19.48 | solca | Stskeeps: maemo R POC is in simple terms a maemo refactored to behave more like a normal Linux distro? \ |
| 18:20.00 | solca | or refactoring + reimplementation for the closed source bits? |
| 18:20.53 | Stskeeps | solca: somewhat, but also trying to seperate the nokia from the maemo somewhat |
| 18:20.58 | Stskeeps | and have some new sdk ways |
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| 18:21.30 | Stskeeps | it will also show that what nokia actually does open source, is quite a lot |
| 18:21.52 | Stskeeps | and to see if maemo really can be as easy to port for as to just hildonizing and recompiling |
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| 18:22.14 | solca | Stskeeps: but I though it was already separated via packages |
| 18:22.33 | Stskeeps | not that well really |
| 18:22.53 | Stskeeps | but we'll see |
| 18:23.02 | Stskeeps | in any case, we end up with an interesting alternative to current maemo state |
| 18:23.19 | solca | and what is the current status? |
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| 18:23.44 | Stskeeps | bootable image that fits in 113mb flash, with full gnu tools, x libs, .. sec |
| 18:24.34 | Stskeeps | "Today's flash count: 116m flash, 276.4m uncompressed, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/116mb.txt - now with Maemo GTK, Libhildon, Maemo-DBus. " |
| 18:24.47 | Stskeeps | and not stripped down that much |
| 18:24.55 | Stskeeps | (look at package list) |
| 18:25.14 | Sargun_Screen | hey, is there a way to manually update wayfinder mapper? |
| 18:25.23 | Sargun_Screen | update maps I mean.. |
| 18:25.34 | solca | Stskeeps: and does it requires the diablo kernel + initfs or it ships with it's own stuff? |
| 18:25.44 | Sargun_Screen | I downloaded the mapdata directory, I just don't know the UID |
| 18:25.55 | Stskeeps | solca: right not it uses diablo kernel and initfs |
| 18:26.04 | Stskeeps | as we're trying to get a hildon + maemo gtk and such running |
| 18:26.08 | Stskeeps | not=now |
| 18:26.10 | Sargun_Screen | anyone here have wayfinder gps? |
| 18:26.29 | Stskeeps | rest of it we're not doing, but if you have a curiousity in that area, you're welcome :) |
| 18:26.35 | Stskeeps | doing right now that is |
| 18:26.59 | Meizirkki | I have wayfinder gps but i have never used it... |
| 18:28.06 | solca | Stskeeps: another thing, are you using the same toolchain and libc or differents? |
| 18:28.27 | solca | better checks the package list :) |
| 18:28.39 | Stskeeps | we're basing off mojo handhelds |
| 18:28.41 | Meizirkki | Sargun_Screen: http://www.internettablettalk.com/search/results.html?cx=partner-pub-1540416982644573%3As1i8nedfnqe&cof=FORID%3A9&q=wayfinder+maps+manual&sa=Go#1352 |
| 18:28.49 | Stskeeps | so for cross compilation codesourcery 2008q3 |
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| 18:31.00 | solca | Stskeeps: so it is mojo plus the maemo packages? |
| 18:32.01 | johnx | Stskeeps, well, xorg omap works fine with the link here :) |
| 18:32.48 | Stskeeps | solca: brb phone |
| 18:36.18 | solca | hmm, mojo have armv6el-vfp packages |
| 18:37.55 | Meizirkki | i am using armv6 release |
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| 18:38.19 | solca | Meizirkki: do you compile it yourself? |
| 18:38.30 | Meizirkki | no |
| 18:38.38 | solca | because mojo just have v6el |
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| 18:38.47 | Meizirkki | i meant armv6el |
| 18:39.13 | solca | good! any speed boost? |
| 18:39.45 | Meizirkki | Tested with Beagle Board: armv6el-vfp was 15-20% faster than armv5el |
| 18:40.44 | Meizirkki | i read it from mojos pdf |
| 18:40.44 | solca | wow, if I remember correctly the beagleboard is >v6 right? |
| 18:41.00 | Meizirkki | i think so... |
| 18:41.23 | johnx | v7 |
| 18:41.38 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 18:41.45 | solca | Meizirkki: but you are running in a blagle or in a nit? |
| 18:41.55 | Meizirkki | nit |
| 18:41.57 | Meizirkki | n810 |
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| 18:42.06 | Meizirkki | i read it from mojo pdf |
| 18:42.15 | Meizirkki | the speed test |
| 18:42.46 | Meizirkki | mojos interpid release "icy" is going to have armv7 port too |
| 18:43.14 | solca | ok, now I'm wondering the difference in speed for the nits |
| 18:43.25 | Meizirkki | we'll see... |
| 18:43.52 | solca | so you are running the maemo R? |
| 18:44.01 | Meizirkki | kinda... |
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| 18:44.54 | Meizirkki | I am running the same thing but i have not installed all the new packages compiled by Stskeep and johnx |
| 18:46.27 | solca | from the list that Stskeeps posts, almost all base packages are from maemor R :) |
| 18:47.12 | Meizirkki | :) |
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| 18:49.49 | solca | Stskeeps & johnx: I finally get it (or I thinkso)! you are basing it on mojo and creating all base + maemo packages |
| 18:49.55 | solca | and fixing all build problems |
| 18:50.03 | johnx | exactly :) |
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| 18:50.15 | johnx | plus "integration" problems |
| 18:50.21 | solca | wow that's a lot of work |
| 18:50.31 | solca | including the meamo gui? |
| 18:50.43 | johnx | well, so far Nokia's cleaned up their packages a lot since diablo versions |
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| 18:51.00 | johnx | well, mostly the maemo GUI |
| 18:51.10 | johnx | that's what makes it maemo after all :) |
| 18:51.47 | solca | :) |
| 18:51.54 | solca | and what about the closed source bits? |
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| 18:52.47 | johnx | well there's closed stuff at lower levels (as you know I'm sure), but we're not worrying about that |
| 18:52.59 | johnx | and there's closed stuff at the user level, as well |
| 18:53.07 | johnx | we're mostly worried about the middle level for now |
| 18:53.33 | johnx | by "user level" I mean applications that the user uses |
| 18:53.43 | johnx | the libraries are free for the most part, as is the core desktop stuff |
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| 18:54.00 | solca | I don't know if Nokia ships all closed source binaries statically linked |
| 18:54.15 | johnx | they don't |
| 18:54.15 | solca | but AFAIC the toolchain is ancient |
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| 18:54.34 | Meizirkki | is it possible to use dpkg-repack for some nokias closed source apps? |
| 18:54.39 | solca | so I don;t know if there could be linking problems |
| 18:54.50 | johnx | Meizirkki, yes |
| 18:54.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Meizirkki, yes, but no point imho |
| 18:55.16 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 18:55.55 | johnx | solca, well, actually, if I understand correctly, current maemo apps might not run without some small source changes on "maemo 5" |
| 18:56.08 | johnx | so things will have to get recompiled anyways |
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| 19:05.28 | hahlobit | can i watch quicktime objects .qtl with some application in n800? |
| 19:06.28 | deejoe | so, does the bl-5f battery work in the n800? |
| 19:06.31 | johnx | can any piece of software use those except for the Apple's quicktime? |
| 19:06.55 | johnx | deejoe, n800 has a bp-5l |
| 19:07.17 | deejoe | right. |
| 19:07.28 | johnx | are they interchangeable? |
| 19:07.43 | deejoe | well, the bl-5f is cheaper, but has fewer amp-hours |
| 19:08.27 | deejoe | what I don't know is whether it physically fits, or has other qualities that make it either a bad idea or an ok one. |
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| 19:08.50 | timeless | hello world |
| 19:08.58 | timeless | anyone know why Python is listed as disconitnued? |
| 19:08.58 | johnx | hi timeless |
| 19:09.02 | timeless | (sp) |
| 19:09.15 | johnx | where is it listed as discontinued? |
| 19:09.25 | timeless | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_bugs.maemo.org#Draft_structure |
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| 19:10.29 | Stskeeps | odd, that's contrary to what i've heard |
| 19:10.46 | lardman | yeah, I thought Python was going to be brought into the fold |
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| 19:15.30 | solca | so how I can install maemo R? deboostrap? |
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| 19:16.43 | johnx | solca, there's a tarball to start with, then just grab packages as they become available |
| 19:17.12 | johnx | tarball is here: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-booting.tar.gz |
| 19:17.30 | johnx | for now we're keeping status updates here: http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC |
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| 19:18.22 | solca | johnx: I untar to a empty partition? ext3fs is good? |
| 19:18.35 | johnx | yes, ext3 is what I use |
| 19:19.08 | solca | and I direct the rootfs via the kernel parameter or I have to make an entry to the bootselect? |
| 19:19.35 | johnx | well, the rootfs is designed to boot with bootmenu |
| 19:19.48 | solca | sorry I meant bootmenu not bootselect :) |
| 19:19.53 | johnx | I'm not sure if it will work right if mounted directly as a rootfs |
| 19:19.59 | Meizirkki | i lost everything.... |
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| 19:20.22 | johnx | Meizirkki, darn. that sucks. :( |
| 19:20.37 | solca | johnx: deblet works but it reboots, probably because it didn't start dmse |
| 19:20.51 | Meizirkki | Anybody knows what causes that segmentation Fault error |
| 19:21.06 | johnx | which segmentation fault error? |
| 19:21.40 | Stskeeps | okay. weirdest error-ever, po/en_GB.po:124: ...but some messages have 3 plural forms |
| 19:21.41 | johnx | solca, how warm did the tablet get before rebooting? also, that was the kernel with both watchdog's enabled, right? |
| 19:21.51 | Meizirkki | EVERY app i am trying to start shows me a f***** segmentating fault error! |
| 19:22.01 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: armv6 or? |
| 19:22.12 | Meizirkki | yep |
| 19:22.27 | Meizirkki | i have always used armv6el |
| 19:22.28 | johnx | every app? does ls and cd still work? |
| 19:22.39 | Meizirkki | okay ls and cd work |
| 19:22.44 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: this was after debootstrapping again? |
| 19:22.48 | Meizirkki | but firefox... |
| 19:22.51 | Meizirkki | yep |
| 19:23.02 | Stskeeps | well firefox might be a little rough on the tablet |
| 19:23.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:23.04 | solca | johnx: the tablet feels cold here so I'm pretty sure the rebooting is not by getting hot \ |
| 19:23.10 | Meizirkki | ... |
| 19:23.19 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: you got X working? |
| 19:23.27 | solca | it always reboots almost at the same 30s after idle |
| 19:23.33 | Meizirkki | Armv6el version of firefox runs well |
| 19:23.39 | Stskeeps | sounds like wd though, solca |
| 19:23.40 | Meizirkki | X works |
| 19:23.46 | solca | Stskeeps: exactly |
| 19:23.58 | Meizirkki | But most of the apps says Segmentation Fault |
| 19:24.03 | Meizirkki | like hildon-desktop |
| 19:24.40 | Meizirkki | This have happened before |
| 19:24.47 | Stskeeps | got swap activated? |
| 19:24.52 | Meizirkki | yes |
| 19:24.55 | solca | but as already said in the omap tree the watchdogs react as normal watchdogs so maybe a bad interaction beetween apis |
| 19:25.07 | Meizirkki | Mayde it has something to do with locales |
| 19:25.10 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 19:25.32 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: are you booted into it or chrooting? |
| 19:25.48 | Meizirkki | Chorrting |
| 19:25.58 | solca | johnx: the weird thing is that afaik you just open the watchdog device and keep writing every 10s |
| 19:26.06 | Meizirkki | booting directly does not work for some reason. |
| 19:26.23 | Stskeeps | solca: http://www.atomide.com/linux/n8x0/ maybe |
| 19:26.29 | solca | johnx: well that is what the normal debian watchdog daemon does |
| 19:26.35 | solca | looking... |
| 19:26.38 | Meizirkki | I can see rescue menus text, but anything else is behind white screen |
| 19:27.19 | Meizirkki | I'll try again... |
| 19:27.28 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: there might be a binary incompatibility in some way |
| 19:27.42 | Stskeeps | if you got the packages from deblet |
| 19:27.50 | Stskeeps | the omap-fb-tools ones |
| 19:27.51 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 19:27.53 | Stskeeps | i know what's wrong |
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| 19:28.11 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: cp fb0,fb1,fb2 from /dev on maemo to the /dev on the partition |
| 19:28.32 | Meizirkki | thanks, i'll try |
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| 19:30.46 | Meizirkki_n810 | cp says they are same files |
| 19:31.51 | Meizirkki | because of chroot |
| 19:31.51 | solca | Stskeeps: yes I already have that patches, but from muru.com which seems is the same site |
| 19:32.25 | Meizirkki | and now i am in deep shit, i removed em. |
| 19:33.35 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:33.53 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: next victim, your n810? |
| 19:33.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:34.43 | Meizirkki | i guess so... |
| 19:35.04 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.11 | Meizirkki | thanks a lot |
| 19:35.22 | Stskeeps | remember fb1 and 2 |
| 19:35.31 | Meizirkki | yep |
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| 19:35.58 | GAN800 | timeles, not sure why it's in there in the first place. |
| 19:36.31 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i think you just saved my n810 :) |
| 19:36.48 | GAN800 | timeless, it's probably related to Gazpacho, actually. |
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| 19:39.12 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: if not my n810, at least my mind |
| 19:41.02 | timeless | k |
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| 19:43.23 | emma_goldstein | I'm trying to get avahi-daemon running automatically |
| 19:43.51 | emma_goldstein | are there any scripts that will be called after connecting to a wlan-network (wlancond)? |
| 19:44.23 | johnx | you can use dbus-scripts to watch for a connect and run a command |
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| 19:45.02 | qwerty12_N800 | emma_goldstein, http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2008/11/get-avahi-working-on-maemo.html |
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| 19:50.49 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | Still segmentation fault |
| 19:50.53 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | :( |
| 19:51.17 | Stskeeps | sucks, guess there are some problems with it |
| 19:51.37 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | Segmentation Fault is random error. |
| 19:51.46 | Stskeeps | does dmesg say anything? |
| 19:51.54 | Stskeeps | and is this still a chroot? |
| 19:51.55 | Mousey | is there an equivalent of service-discovery-applet for maemo once avahi is working?? |
| 19:51.59 | Mousey | that wuold be HAWT!! |
| 19:52.18 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | chroot |
| 19:52.40 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki_n810_2: you use glib and such from m-r or? |
| 19:53.15 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | Almost everything is from mojo repos |
| 19:53.26 | Stskeeps | got udev? might help |
| 19:53.29 | Stskeeps | er |
| 19:53.35 | Stskeeps | remembering to mount dev/pts and proc? |
| 19:53.40 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | gmesg shows a lot of tect |
| 19:53.40 | Stskeeps | in chroot |
| 19:53.47 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | dmesg |
| 19:54.03 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | qoles chroot scripts... |
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| 19:55.38 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | I'll start all over again |
| 19:56.18 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | i am sure it has something to do with loale settings |
| 19:56.24 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | *locale |
| 19:56.42 | Stskeeps | mm, seems odd that it crashes cos of that |
| 20:00.48 | Meizirkki_n810_2 | Finally Meizirkki_n810 timed out :) |
| 20:01.07 | emma_goldstein | qwerty12_N800: thanks - up and running now |
| 20:01.29 | emma_goldstein | Mousey: in terminal "avahi-browse -a" |
| 20:01.42 | Mousey | gmm |
| 20:01.43 | Mousey | hmm |
| 20:02.00 | Mousey | i like the libnotify style of service-discovery-applet, maybe i can learn python and become useful! ^_^ |
| 20:02.55 | emma_goldstein | Mousey: as avahi is about services, it's just useful displaying available data in clients, i use the discovery-applet just for debugging purposes |
| 20:03.17 | Mousey | really.. i use it for network monitoring =) |
| 20:03.45 | Mousey | superficial coffee shop style network monitoring.. not like etherape or wireshark or something |
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| 20:03.57 | dksaarth | Hi guys |
| 20:04.10 | dksaarth | not having much luck here... |
| 20:04.32 | dksaarth | im using sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b to try and build a library from source |
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| 20:04.41 | dksaarth | and i'm getting configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:04.54 | dksaarth | i think that is because /usr/bin/cc says file not found |
| 20:05.08 | dksaarth | dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-libosip/libosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 /usr/bin/cc |
| 20:05.09 | dksaarth | /opt/maemo/dists/etch/bin/bash: /usr/bin/cc: No such file or directory |
| 20:05.26 | dksaarth | yet..... |
| 20:05.27 | dksaarth | dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-libosip/libosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 ls -als /usr/bin/cc |
| 20:05.28 | dksaarth | 184 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 183444 2008-11-10 21:44 /usr/bin/cc |
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| 20:06.27 | dksaarth | any ideas ? |
| 20:06.31 | johnx_ | about to have input working in Xorg :) |
| 20:06.48 | Stskeeps | johnx_: you did the /dev/fb symlink? |
| 20:07.00 | johnx_ | yup, it already runs and displays windows |
| 20:07.06 | RST38h | DHL kaput! |
| 20:07.10 | Stskeeps | johnx_: neat |
| 20:07.12 | RST38h | moo, johnx |
| 20:07.14 | RST38h | hey sts |
| 20:07.17 | johnx_ | I'm just pulling in the tslib xorg input from debian |
| 20:07.20 | johnx_ | m00f RST38h |
| 20:08.25 | Stskeeps | johnx_: note on jaiku ideally, then we have that as a note for later adoptees |
| 20:08.45 | johnx_ | i will once it works. I'll upload packages, source and xorg.conf as well |
| 20:08.48 | Stskeeps | k |
| 20:08.58 | Stskeeps | i'll continue building stuff |
| 20:08.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 20:13.38 | Meizirkki_n810 | Touchscreen does not work? |
| 20:13.54 | johnx_ | in xorg? I don't think so |
| 20:13.57 | johnx_ | I tried a couple things |
| 20:14.06 | johnx_ | evdev, evtouch, but good old tslib seems to do the trick |
| 20:14.11 | Mousey | huh? |
| 20:14.14 | johnx_ | just making my patch nice now :) |
| 20:14.15 | Mousey | oh |
| 20:14.27 | Meizirkki_n810 | when i tried Xomap last time in hasty it worked... |
| 20:14.36 | johnx_ | xorg, not xomap :) |
| 20:14.42 | Meizirkki_n810 | ookay :) |
| 20:16.29 | Stskeeps | xorg is much cooler :P |
| 20:16.53 | johnx_ | they already have lots of HAL stuff as well :) |
| 20:17.00 | Meizirkki_n810 | yep |
| 20:17.18 | Meizirkki_n810 | It works now? |
| 20:17.33 | johnx_ | jeez, gimme a minute :P |
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| 20:22.29 | Meizirkki_n810 | damn, debootstrap failed... |
| 20:24.27 | Stskeeps | maybe sd card getting corrupted? |
| 20:26.40 | Stskeeps | phew, finally, hildon-fm going :P |
| 20:26.49 | Meizirkki_n810 | :) |
| 20:26.54 | Stskeeps | had a bunch of dependancy |
| 20:28.04 | Meizirkki_n810 | My sd have always been littlebit weird, sfdisk cannot read it and deblet installer thinks it's internal card .L |
| 20:29.41 | Stskeeps | then it is.. :P |
| 20:29.54 | Stskeeps | if the debug says so |
| 20:30.08 | Meizirkki_n810 | no errors with fdisk |
| 20:30.17 | Meizirkki_n810 | fsck sorry |
| 20:30.23 | Meizirkki_n810 | :) |
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| 20:31.50 | timeless | hey |
| 20:31.53 | timeless | if i'm a program |
| 20:31.58 | timeless | and i want to use an env var... |
| 20:32.05 | Meizirkki_n810 | thinks he should sleep |
| 20:32.10 | timeless | what env var can i use to figure out "device language"? |
| 20:32.16 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1968#c1 |
| 20:32.21 | qwerty12_N800 | LANG |
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| 20:32.40 | timeless | qwerty12_n800: hrm. nope |
| 20:32.43 | timeless | see bug |
| 20:33.10 | qwerty12_N800 | my bad, I shouldn't jump the gun :) |
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| 20:37.39 | timeless | anywayk, if you can figure out the right patch |
| 20:37.41 | timeless | please post it :) |
| 20:38.33 | dksaarth | hi guys - anybody know how i can get around this ? |
| 20:38.34 | dksaarth | dh_installman -plibosip2-dev |
| 20:38.34 | dksaarth | debian/tmp/usr/share/man/man1/osip.1: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 120. |
| 20:39.01 | dksaarth | there is debian/tmp/usr/local/share/man/man1/osip.1 |
| 20:39.19 | dksaarth | for some reason the files are in usr/local instead of usr |
| 20:39.42 | johnx_ | building a new .deb package? make sure you pass --prefix=/usr to configure |
| 20:40.32 | dksaarth | i'm trying to build an existing source package - can i do a sb2 ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 20:40.38 | dksaarth | and then a sb2 dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 20:40.46 | dksaarth | i'm trying to use an ubuntu source package |
| 20:40.57 | dksaarth | which might not go so well with an etch tool set ? |
| 20:41.00 | johnx_ | strange that it's installing into usr/local |
| 20:41.14 | johnx_ | just look in debian/rules |
| 20:41.25 | johnx_ | and add a --prefix=/usr to their configure command line |
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| 20:43.59 | dksaarth | aah thanks for the info johnx - i did a configure --prefix=/usr and then the dpkg-buildpackage, which seemed to have worked |
| 20:44.16 | dksaarth | in debian/rules, at the top it says make -f |
| 20:44.28 | dksaarth | can I add a -j5 there to take advantage of my multicores ? |
| 20:44.36 | dksaarth | or is that a no no when doing cross compiling ? |
| 20:44.38 | johnx_ | for that kind of thing just: |
| 20:44.46 | johnx_ | export MAKE="make -j5" |
| 20:45.19 | johnx_ | no need to tweak debian/rules for something that's a local change only |
| 20:45.25 | dksaarth | aaah thanks :D |
| 20:45.45 | johnx_ | I actually have a little file that I source before I start building things |
| 20:46.16 | RST38h | What multicores? |
| 20:46.27 | dksaarth | oh ? anything else that might be usefull / i can learn from ? |
| 20:46.36 | dksaarth | i'm running a quad core as the host computer? |
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| 20:47.40 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless, got it. $LC_MESSAGES |
| 20:47.46 | RST38h | found yesterday that MIPS assembler will add NOPs into assembly code wherever it feels that the CPU will get into a pipeline hazard |
| 20:47.55 | johnx_ | dksaarth, ah, if you're building packages that take forever to build their documentation and you have no need for it: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nodocs" |
| 20:48.15 | dksaarth | thanks again :) |
| 20:48.33 | RST38h | (holy shit, the MIPS is so ancient that it actually had problems with certain instruction sequences and those were taken care of in the software) |
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| 20:50.26 | derf | Cheaper than fixing the hardware. |
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| 20:52.04 | Stskeeps | johnx_: choice of version numbers, adapt ubuntu to maemo, or adapt maemo to ubuntu? |
| 20:52.47 | dksaarth | hmmmm, im still running into the problem of not finding my cc |
| 20:52.55 | dksaarth | it went away, and came back ;/ |
| 20:53.00 | dksaarth | dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-exosip/libexosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 cc -v |
| 20:53.01 | dksaarth | /opt/maemo/dists/etch/bin/bash: /usr/bin/cc: No such file or directory |
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| 20:53.36 | RST38h | derf: much less efficient though |
| 20:53.50 | RST38h | especially with slow SDRAM found in embedded devices |
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| 20:57.58 | johnx | hmm...starting to get tired of my computer randomly turning off |
| 20:58.15 | johnx | BTW, does xorg's omapfb do manual fb updates? |
| 20:58.34 | RST38h | I think yes |
| 20:58.54 | johnx | so is it an option to turn on? |
| 20:58.54 | dksaarth | Sigh i can not understand why /usr/bin/cc says it does not exist, yet ls /usr/bin/cc shows that it exists |
| 21:00.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: think suihkulokki mentioned something about it not being manual |
| 21:00.31 | johnx | aaah, ok |
| 21:00.36 | johnx | that's what I gathered |
| 21:00.40 | johnx | just wanted to confirm |
| 21:01.58 | qwerty12_N800 | how does fb-progress do it? it doesn't need automatic framebuffer afaik but uses the fb to display the bar |
| 21:02.26 | johnx | it manually calls for an fb update |
| 21:02.28 | RST38h | johnx: it is an fctl |
| 21:02.34 | RST38h | ioctl, sorry |
| 21:03.05 | ryoohki | i've installed a tomcat app in a centos vmware machine now when i start the service( Alfresco) the java process hangs in futex wait( seen using strace) |
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| 21:04.00 | ryoohki | any ideas what might be wrong? |
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| 21:27.00 | suihkulokki | /help hilight |
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| 21:32.14 | emma_goldstein1 | is there some "autogreet" in nokia chat to register with nickserv? |
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| 21:45.07 | cyrus___ | anyone know what the plat-omap architecture is within the linux kernel? |
| 21:45.13 | dksaarth | sigh, still no cc joy |
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| 22:05.57 | dksaarth | can anybody here help me get my app installed to the emulator ? I have successfully installed the necessary libraries from source packages, and succesfully built my program |
| 22:06.06 | dksaarth | im now trying to get it to my emulated device |
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| 22:06.39 | dksaarth | how do I go about that ? previously i could install the made packages, but i now i only have source file, make file and executable ? |
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| 22:08.00 | johnx | one power supply later... |
| 22:08.06 | Stskeeps | ick, it died? |
| 22:08.08 | dksaarth | eeek |
| 22:08.12 | dksaarth | welcome back johnx |
| 22:08.23 | johnx | it died a slow painful death |
| 22:08.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: one more for the deblet/m-r "in memoriam" list |
| 22:08.49 | dksaarth | johnx, could you give me some more advice ? is it necessary to build a package to get it onto my emulated device ? I have successfully installed the necessary libraries from source packages, and succesfully built my program |
| 22:08.52 | Stskeeps | with the other project i had it was hosting providers going bankrupt, heh |
| 22:09.06 | dksaarth | but I only have source files, make file and a executable |
| 22:09.11 | Stskeeps | dksaarth: qemu emulator or? |
| 22:09.23 | dksaarth | sb2 ? I dont understand the question ? |
| 22:09.49 | dksaarth | the thing that shows up when I do maemo-runtime start diablo41_armel :) |
| 22:09.50 | Stskeeps | sb2 is basically just a cross-compilation environment |
| 22:09.53 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:09.56 | Stskeeps | that's xephyr |
| 22:10.04 | johnx | dksaarth, you can just copy stuff in to place, but the more libraries you have the more of a pain it is |
| 22:10.16 | Stskeeps | export DISPLAY=:1; ./yourprogram or something isnt it? |
| 22:11.28 | Stskeeps | or the run-standalone.sh one |
| 22:11.39 | Stskeeps | (i dunno with maemo sdk+) |
| 22:13.43 | johnx | so what are the practical consequences of osso-gnomevfs not conflicting with libgnomevfs? |
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| 22:15.00 | johnx | s/not// |
| 22:15.20 | dksaarth | thanks Stskeeps |
| 22:15.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: everything gnome breaks |
| 22:15.38 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm recompiling with style similar to ubuntu |
| 22:15.46 | Stskeeps | 2:version vs version |
| 22:17.47 | dksaarth | is it possible to get network access through this emulator ? I'm trying to see if my program can run on these devices without too much recoding - so far i have install the necessary libraries, compiled it, and it appears on screen |
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| 22:19.10 | dksaarth | I would like to see if some of the network functionality is there (to test out if my libraries worked, but if i can compile and run they should have been done correctly right ? ) |
| 22:19.13 | Stskeeps | well its not really an emulator, it's just a x server within a x server and your binary runs on top of your linux kernel |
| 22:20.10 | dksaarth | okay, compiled for arm tho ? |
| 22:20.14 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 22:20.20 | Stskeeps | it uses a binary emulator so |
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| 22:21.01 | Stskeeps | should have net access then, may need to use ips then |
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| 22:22.57 | dksaarth | woot |
| 22:23.06 | dksaarth | the sending of the sip messages works |
| 22:23.11 | Stskeeps | finds HCI papers goes down a lot easier with vodka. |
| 22:23.16 | dksaarth | hah |
| 22:23.51 | dksaarth | Basically, the reason I have been playing around with this stuff is that I want to write a proposal for our lab to get 2 N8x0's |
| 22:24.06 | dksaarth | but in order to do that, I need to say it won't be that hard to port the software |
| 22:24.21 | Stskeeps | we have a bunch of n8x0s (i'm a student programmer), two beagleboards.. i love my work |
| 22:24.29 | dksaarth | aah awesome |
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| 22:24.48 | dksaarth | i have my app on screen apparently working - is this as far as I can take it before buying one ? or is there some more emulation I can do ? |
| 22:25.15 | Stskeeps | there's some more possibility but you need a firmware image and stuff |
| 22:26.14 | dksaarth | aah okay |
| 22:26.35 | Stskeeps | but if you have your app working like that, you're good to go |
| 22:26.45 | dksaarth | awesome! |
| 22:26.52 | dksaarth | now I just need to convince my supervisor ;) |
| 22:28.12 | Stskeeps | and if he says anything there's also debian for the tablets and prototype ubuntu-based maemo system by community going on |
| 22:28.20 | Stskeeps | so porting is a lot easier |
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| 22:28.40 | dksaarth | Nice, thanks |
| 22:28.49 | Stskeeps | what do you research in? |
| 22:29.48 | dksaarth | A couple of the guys here look at the IMS (IP multimedia subsystem) framework - sip based telecommunications framework |
| 22:29.55 | dksaarth | Im tinkering around with videoconferencing |
| 22:30.05 | dksaarth | (over the IMS) |
| 22:30.10 | Stskeeps | i had stuff working with gstreamer atleast |
| 22:30.32 | dksaarth | aah nice - we use gstreamer for our ims client |
| 22:31.06 | dksaarth | a couple of N8x0's would be a nice demonstration of our work + it would get rid of the need to carry machines around to show our work off |
| 22:31.47 | Stskeeps | yeah, except when you have to deal with projectors, then you need usb2vga stuff :P |
| 22:31.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: brilliant:) |
| 22:31.55 | dksaarth | haha |
| 22:32.37 | johnx | it'll be chunky until we can get back to manual fb updates though |
| 22:32.45 | Stskeeps | yeah, well, we aren't viewing video :P |
| 22:33.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: does it actually work? and is it the tslib sui had? |
| 22:34.21 | johnx | it's probably the same tslib, given that it's from debian |
| 22:34.33 | johnx | no modifications. I thought i needed to hack it, but that turned out to be wrong |
| 22:35.39 | Stskeeps | k - there wa a tslib at http://nchipin.kos.to/deblet/ so |
| 22:36.09 | johnx | yes, same source package |
| 22:36.26 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:36.30 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 22:36.36 | johnx | wait, hang on, let me check something |
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| 22:37.03 | johnx | ah, his is better. hal support |
| 22:37.22 | Stskeeps | there's a TODO for that part though? |
| 22:37.46 | johnx | the debian changelog says "Add hal support" |
| 22:37.55 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:38.24 | Stskeeps | i'm recompiling osso-gnomevfs atm towards getting it to work with libgtkhtml from ubuntu |
| 22:38.35 | Stskeeps | with the new version |
| 22:38.45 | Stskeeps | without that we can't get hildon-help, so |
| 22:40.36 | Stskeeps | why on earth does it end up depending on selinux though, i dunno |
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| 22:40.45 | johnx | ahaha |
| 22:40.48 | johnx | that is pretty weird |
| 22:41.24 | Stskeeps | most secure mobile os, ever, unintentionally |
| 22:41.25 | Stskeeps | or something |
| 22:41.44 | Stskeeps | seriously though, i've seen several packages build itself with selinux for no good reason |
| 22:42.06 | Stskeeps | and it doesn't make it better selinux is NSA's work |
| 22:42.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:42.31 | johnx | don't like the NSA? have something to hide? :D |
| 22:43.05 | Stskeeps | though i do admit increased security may be more relevant on a mobile device in the futre |
| 22:44.54 | johnx | I'd really like to see sandboxing become popular on linux |
| 22:45.05 | Stskeeps | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7720049.stm - woohoo, denmark now has nuclear weapons! |
| 22:45.06 | johnx | in a really user accessible way |
| 22:45.30 | rwhitby | denmark has user accessible nuclear weapons? |
| 22:45.39 | rwhitby | ;-) |
| 22:46.31 | johnx | actually...looks like it |
| 22:48.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: regarding image creation, should we go with the deblet installer? |
| 22:48.33 | Stskeeps | and a repo |
| 22:49.16 | johnx | that seems reasonable |
| 22:49.19 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 23:00.55 | Stskeeps | "Mobile Virtualization Platform," |
| 23:00.57 | Stskeeps | oh my. |
| 23:01.29 | Stskeeps | sells his vmware stock (if he had any) |
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| 23:03.18 | johnx | hmm? because they're working on an ARM emulator? |
| 23:03.24 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, can I run Windows on my cellphone now? |
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| 23:04.31 | Stskeeps | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39547412,00.htm |
| 23:06.29 | johnx | uhm, are they seriously going to run a fully virtualized system on a handheld? |
| 23:06.50 | Stskeeps | i think they'd be a lot better off running L4 + linux on top really |
| 23:07.27 | Stskeeps | and then seperate out some sandboxed services (DRM, billing, etc) and provide a communication to them |
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| 23:15.49 | johnx | well personally, I think keeping users out of their own phones is a losing cause |
| 23:16.02 | johnx | but there's a lot of money to be made while people think it can be done :) |
| 23:16.19 | Stskeeps | yeah.. its a interesting balance though |
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| 23:21.15 | Stskeeps | sighs over licenses |
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| 23:25.25 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, but can I run Windows on my phone? |
| 23:25.47 | lcuk | yeah! vista as well |
| 23:26.04 | lcuk | isn't the oqo about small enough for that |
| 23:26.32 | Stskeeps | GAN800: windows 3.11 already runs on your tablet |
| 23:26.51 | Stskeeps | okay. is apt braindamaged or something? |
| 23:26.57 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.09 | Stskeeps | installed version is 2:2.16.3-1osso39mr0 |
| 23:27.19 | Stskeeps | and it failed without the 2: too |
| 23:28.29 | Stskeeps | and i know 2.8.4 is lexically larger than 2.16 |
| 23:29.05 | johnx | no idea here |
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| 23:29.16 | johnx | is there a matching < clause somewhere? |
| 23:30.22 | Stskeeps | not sure.. i'm clashing with libgnomeui-dev basically |
| 23:32.15 | Stskeeps | gives up and builds maemo gtkhtml |
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| 23:33.19 | johnx | alright, you try that and I'll give it a shot |
| 23:34.42 | Stskeeps | behaviour might be because libosso gnomevfs2-dev replaces/provides/conflicts libgnomevfs2-dev |
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| 23:39.32 | Stskeeps | gtkhtml is rolling, i'm off to bed |
| 23:39.37 | johnx | 'night |
| 23:40.37 | Stskeeps | would be delightful if you can find the issue, coexistence is definately a major thing in this stuff :P |
| 23:41.26 | johnx | I'm grabbing all your .debs now |
| 23:41.30 | johnx | I'll see what I can do |
| 23:41.45 | johnx | wonders if it co-exists in an API way |
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| 23:53.22 | dmsuperman | I have an n800. I don't like those silicone cases. Are there any other options that you guys know of? |
| 23:53.24 | dmsuperman | I can't find any |
| 23:53.45 | johnx | no case at all has worked well for me :) |
| 23:53.58 | dmsuperman | Well I just dropped mine |
| 23:54.07 | johnx | me too. on blacktop |
| 23:54.09 | johnx | like 3 times |
| 23:54.14 | dmsuperman | On cement for me |
| 23:54.19 | johnx | s/blacktop/concrete/ |
| 23:54.25 | dmsuperman | I hate it though |
| 23:54.34 | dmsuperman | I have these deep gashes on the corner |
| 23:54.41 | dmsuperman | I want to prevent any more |
| 23:54.44 | johnx | heh...same here actually :) |
| 23:55.37 | johnx | I have some kind of case for a game system I think, might be nintendo DS or a PSP case, but I only use it when throwing my n800 on a backpack |
| 23:56.05 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, sorry, forgot the smilies. :P |
| 23:56.29 | dmsuperman | This is saddening |
| 23:56.34 | dmsuperman | Those silicone ones suck though |
| 23:56.59 | johnx | so you're looking for a case that lets you use it while it while inside the case? |
| 23:57.01 | lcuk | dmsuperman, i keep my 810 in a wooden case |
| 23:57.09 | johnx | I think there was some leather one that folded |
| 23:57.11 | lcuk | get yourself a router and measure up |
| 23:57.30 | dmsuperman | It needs to be only slightly larger than the n800 so it can still fit in my pocket |
| 23:57.43 | dmsuperman | Even that sock thing that comes with it |
| 23:57.56 | dmsuperman | I'd like something like that |
| 23:58.01 | dmsuperman | But the n800 slides out too easily |
| 23:58.14 | lcuk | i have an old pda case that i keep in my pocket |
| 23:58.51 | lcuk | the 810 fits nice n snug :) |
| 23:58.59 | dmsuperman | :'( |
| 23:59.08 | dmsuperman | Anybody have one of those silicone cases? |
| 23:59.14 | dmsuperman | Perhaps if it's easy to slip out of |
| 23:59.17 | dmsuperman | Then it'd be fine |
| 23:59.24 | dmsuperman | I don't use the speakers all that often |
| 23:59.42 | johnx | wait, so you want something you can just store it in? or a case that lets you use the device while it's in the case? |
