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| 00:17.37 | lcuk | Stskeeps, still awake? |
| 00:29.01 | lcuk | 5 seconds full frame :) time to optimize needs to be realtime ;) http://liqbase.net/liq.20081109_002443.gary.scr.png |
| 00:29.24 | Stskeeps | *looks* |
| 00:30.01 | Stskeeps | *ponders why his hd is suddenly spinning* |
| 00:30.03 | lcuk | is breaking algo down into line spans and making it recursively drop tile sizes and stuff |
| 00:30.06 | hellwolf | how to let the mediaplayer support mp3 |
| 00:30.13 | lcuk | it does doesnt it? |
| 00:31.06 | Stskeeps | lcuk: ah, fractals :) |
| 00:31.23 | Stskeeps | i recall typing in a full commodore 128 program for mandelbrot |
| 00:31.26 | Stskeeps | and let it run over the summer |
| 00:31.31 | Stskeeps | killed the poor machine, too |
| 00:31.52 | lcuk | i did one on my spectrum, in black and white that same image took 23 hours 35 minutes |
| 00:32.13 | lcuk | i marvelled at it and wanted to zoom in but the generation time was way out of reach |
| 00:32.17 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 00:32.20 | lcuk | i can do it now in the palm of my hand |
| 00:32.26 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:32.34 | Stskeeps | amazing how things change |
| 00:33.07 | lcuk | yes, im looking at an image of about the same resolution (256*224) rendering 2fps |
| 00:33.17 | lcuk | (the 5seconds was for 800*480) |
| 00:34.07 | lcuk | its going to take cunning to get this working nicely, but i know it can be done: ive seen it done on the amiga |
| 00:34.39 | lcuk | and its something that if we do right will NOT be toppable by the iphone, its down to raw cpu hence its a straight fight |
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| 00:45.12 | Stskeeps | http://www.kartoen.be/wp/2008/05/18/the-happysad-guide-to-drinks-for-women/ |
| 00:45.14 | Stskeeps | this is so true.. |
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| 03:13.01 | srf21c | anybody familiar with a way to control the volume on an N800 via an ssh session? |
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| 04:16.37 | halley | Anyone put cvs ON their nokia? apt-cache doesn't see it but maybe I don't have the right repo. |
| 04:17.02 | halley | Googling for it is a bit tough, given how much 'cvs' appears on everything. |
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| 05:47.28 | zakkm | anyone here know a good cbr(comicbook reader format) reader? |
| 05:47.55 | LinuxCode | there is one in extras |
| 05:48.05 | zakkm | i tried cbrpages but it takes like 30 seconds to load the next page -.- |
| 05:48.10 | LinuxCode | dunno if its good |
| 05:48.36 | johnx | cbrpager was pretty quick for me |
| 05:48.44 | zakkm | for me it takes ages |
| 05:49.08 | johnx | how big are the scans? |
| 05:49.10 | zakkm | 11mb cbr, 28 "pages" |
| 05:49.19 | zakkm | 396kb jpeg's |
| 05:50.04 | johnx | huh. doesn't sound unreasonable |
| 05:50.18 | johnx | why not ask the guy who ported it? there's a thread on itt |
| 05:50.19 | zakkm | thats what i thought |
| 05:51.10 | zakkm | who ported it, do you happen to know off memory? |
| 05:51.27 | johnx | "bge" on itt |
| 05:52.15 | zakkm | is there no other cbr reader? |
| 05:52.19 | zakkm | can evince play cbr's ? |
| 05:52.47 | zakkm | is there Comix ? |
| 05:52.49 | johnx | comix is there, but it's a lot slower than cbrpager |
| 05:52.58 | zakkm | oh |
| 05:53.57 | Navi | evince |
| 05:54.16 | halley | evince is nice for pdf, but does cbr have more to it? |
| 05:55.05 | zakkm | cbr = rar file with pics in it |
| 05:55.15 | zakkm | Evince has an optional package that adds Comic book support. <--- ? |
| 05:55.20 | zakkm | according to wikipedia |
| 05:55.31 | Navi | built-in support |
| 05:55.44 | zakkm | Evince is a document viewer for multiple document formats. It currently supports pdf, postscript, djvu, cb, cbr, cbz, tiff and dvi. |
| 05:55.47 | zakkm | according to maemo evince page |
| 06:06.31 | halley | Anyone know what apt repo would have 'cvs'? |
| 06:06.41 | zakkm | extras-devel my guess. |
| 06:08.53 | halley | If I wanted to turn euro and yen symbols into { } symbols, what's the file that drives that stuff? |
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| 06:17.20 | camel_liu | hi, everyone |
| 06:18.21 | camel_liu | I'm installing gstreamer in X86 target, but encounter a problem. |
| 06:19.45 | camel_liu | I installed newest Gstreamer, and try to install gst-plugins-base, but configure still says: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.20.1' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.13 |
| 06:20.27 | camel_liu | I installed Gstreamer 0.10.21 just now. |
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| 06:21.37 | camel_liu | Any suggestion? |
| 06:24.44 | camel_liu | How can I check which version of Gstreamer is working in my target? |
| 06:25.05 | johnx | apt-cache policy package-name |
| 06:25.19 | johnx | that only works for packages you installed with apt-get or from a .deb |
| 06:27.31 | camel_liu | I just download source, and configure, make and make install |
| 06:28.03 | johnx | getting the package with apt-get should be easier |
| 06:29.29 | camel_liu | johnx, I installed gstreamer-0.10.21, but when I configure gst-plugins-base-0.10.20, it returns error: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.20.1' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.13 |
| 06:30.37 | camel_liu | Why it is still old version? |
| 06:31.09 | camel_liu | does maemo repo have gstreamer? |
| 06:31.13 | johnx | which packages did you install from source and which package did you install from apt-get |
| 06:31.15 | johnx | ? |
| 06:31.37 | camel_liu | all from source. |
| 06:32.00 | johnx | yes, I think all are available from a maemo repo |
| 06:32.34 | johnx | if you installed .13 first then .21 you might have some left over parts of .13 still installed |
| 06:34.10 | camel_liu | .13 is installed by maemo sdk, I think |
| 06:34.18 | johnx | that seems right |
| 06:34.33 | camel_liu | I installed .21 from source just now. |
| 06:35.14 | camel_liu | For I need do some ogg theora and vorbis development |
| 06:35.20 | johnx | .21 is probably installed to /usr/local/lib and .13 is probably installed to /usr/lib |
| 06:35.54 | camel_liu | when I configured .13, I used --prefix=/usr |
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| 06:36.01 | camel_liu | .21 |
| 06:36.15 | johnx | then parts of both are probably installed on top of each other |
| 06:36.33 | johnx | do you need .21 for some reason? |
| 06:37.20 | camel_liu | when I install newest gst-plugins-base-0.10.21, it needs gstreamer > 0.10.20 |
| 06:37.35 | camel_liu | oog is in gst-plugins-base |
| 06:38.13 | camel_liu | what do you mean 'on top of each other'? |
| 06:38.52 | camel_liu | ogg vorbis asnd theora is in gst-plugins-base |
| 06:38.52 | johnx | I mean, since you didn't remove .13 before installing .21 there are probably leftover parts of .13 still installed |
| 06:39.14 | camel_liu | then I try remove .13? |
| 06:39.56 | johnx | you could do that I guess |
| 06:39.57 | camel_liu | how do I remove it without disturb others? |
| 06:40.22 | johnx | how do you remove .13 without removing .12? |
| 06:40.27 | johnx | well you can't really |
| 06:41.14 | camel_liu | remove .13 and install .21 again? |
| 06:41.30 | camel_liu | remove both and install .21 again? |
| 06:41.40 | johnx | first run make uninstall in the gstreamer .21 source directory |
| 06:41.49 | johnx | then use apt-get remove to remove .13 |
| 06:41.52 | johnx | then install .21 |
| 06:42.44 | camel_liu | ok, let me try. |
| 06:45.27 | camel_liu | I always met '302 Found' problem when use 'apt-get update' with maemo repo. So I try to do everything from source manually. |
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| 06:50.21 | johnx | that will make things very difficult for you |
| 06:51.30 | johnx | qwerty12, aha! I have a good test for aufs |
| 06:51.48 | qwerty12 | johnx, sounds good *grin* :) |
| 06:52.02 | johnx | I'm going to be expanding /tmp online |
| 06:53.04 | qwerty12 | God knows why they use the /tmp from initfs... |
| 06:53.24 | johnx | we're stuck with it even in deblet it seems. |
| 06:53.29 | johnx | the sooner we're on ohm the better |
| 06:54.07 | qwerty12 | yeah |
| 06:59.11 | johnx | I think that just saved me a couple hours at least. :D thanks! |
| 07:00.20 | qwerty12 | It worked? /me asks with a hopeful smile :) |
| 07:01.19 | johnx | yup |
| 07:01.33 | johnx | mount -t aufs -o br:/tmp.new/:/tmp none /tmp |
| 07:01.45 | qwerty12 | Hah, brilliant, thanks! |
| 07:01.57 | johnx | I don't know if that was sane but it certainly served the purpose of giving me more than 1MB of /tmp for a couple of seconds |
| 07:02.16 | johnx | and /tmp.new had a 62MB tmpfs on it |
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| 07:27.22 | qwerty12 | Hrm, xchat 2.8.6 is running nicely on the tablet, just need to fix the settings dialog. |
| 07:30.31 | hahlobit | helo, when i boot sdcard got permission problem with screen, only root can use screen? but when boot flashdisk user can use screen. does sdcard booting need to useradf -g somegroup? |
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| 07:34.11 | camel_liu | johnx, I configured gst-plugins-base successfully, but it says at last: configure: *** Plug-ins with dependencies that will NOT be built: ogg, theora, vorbis. |
| 07:34.31 | camel_liu | which are needed by me. |
| 07:34.53 | camel_liu | how can I let these be built? |
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| 07:36.37 | johnx | you need to use apt-get to install libogg-dev, etc |
| 07:37.32 | camel_liu | thanks |
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| 07:53.47 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
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| 08:10.31 | liri | hey Khertan |
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| 08:43.42 | Mikho | I have a C++ question: I'm planning on creating a string object, resizing it to a certain size, taking the C-pointer with c_str() call, const_cast:ing away the constness and using the pointer to read the actual contents of the string from a socket with recv(). Is this safe? |
| 08:44.29 | Mikho | the point is that I don't need to create extra copies of the string, which might save some time if the string is huge |
| 08:44.43 | Mek | 'const_casting away the constness' -> not safe |
| 08:45.49 | Mek | what might be safer is just using &str[0]; than you don't have to do ugly const castss |
| 08:45.50 | Mikho | why? |
| 08:46.41 | Mikho | I'd like to know if there's some internal mechanic in the string class that prevents this kind of trick |
| 08:47.35 | Mek | why? because the c++ standard says so... |
| 08:47.45 | Mikho | hmm, &str[0] might work too, but isn't the result exactly the same? |
| 08:47.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: eh, deblet should do /boot/tmp, not /tmp |
| 08:48.02 | Mek | in 99% of the cases it will probably work just fine, but it is explicitly forbidden to modify the contents returned by c_str() |
| 08:48.21 | Mikho | I wouldn't want some standard telling me what'S safe an what not, if I think I have a better idea what'S going on |
| 08:48.25 | RST38h | Mikho: The rule of thumb: The more crap you use the less safe it is |
| 08:49.40 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-booting.tar.gz - M-R image that boots on tablet |
| 08:49.44 | Mikho | well, I guess I might run into problems if the string implementation changes |
| 08:50.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: (has deblet rescue menu to turn on console, splash doesnt work) |
| 08:50.14 | Mikho | but, why would &str[0] be better then? |
| 09:01.03 | RST38h | Mikho: Just use char str[whatever-max-size-you-have] |
| 09:02.35 | Mikho | by using gtk with C seems to slowly erode and twist various programming principles... |
| 09:02.50 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i'll download that too ;) What does it have already installed? |
| 09:03.53 | RST38h | Avoid using gtk. |
| 09:03.57 | Mikho | RST38h, I don't want to hardcode an upper limit for the string. I think it's a bigger evil than const_casting |
| 09:04.24 | RST38h | Will your string realistically have an upper limit? |
| 09:04.31 | Mikho | then, if I use just char *, I don't get to use the neat C++ string class |
| 09:04.52 | Mikho | the string might be a employer name, or a picture file |
| 09:04.57 | Mikho | or video |
| 09:05.37 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it's my pimped image from last night + x11-utils and xorg omap driver -but it crashes on my tablet- |
| 09:06.05 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/107mb.txt |
| 09:06.11 | RST38h | "neat C++ string class" -- hehe |
| 09:06.23 | RST38h | another lazy stl user |
| 09:06.37 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and requires same type of bootmenu item as deblet |
| 09:06.52 | RST38h | Mikho: There is a macro that sets the maximal path length. Define a plain C string of that size |
| 09:06.53 | Meizirkki | ok, i have. |
| 09:07.27 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and hold down "home" button to activate usbnet when you've selected it in boot menu and press enter |
| 09:07.36 | Stskeeps | and console and such |
| 09:07.37 | RST38h | Mikho: Getting a const pointer from a library of whose internal operation you have no idea about, casting that pointer to non-const, and modifying its contents is NOT safe by any measure |
| 09:07.40 | Mikho | maximal path length? |
| 09:07.41 | Meizirkki | ok |
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| 09:08.20 | Mikho | I understand the principle, but... |
| 09:09.24 | RST38h | Mikho: "I am afraid but I would really like to"? |
| 09:09.40 | RST38h | Well, the answer is "Do as you like but be afraid" :) |
| 09:10.01 | Mikho | there doesn't seem to be a good practical reason to follow the principle |
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| 09:10.34 | Mikho | principles are notorious for not being 100% correct |
| 09:11.25 | Mikho | I wonder what's the reason c_str() pointer cannot be modified... |
| 09:11.32 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: you on jaiku? |
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| 09:11.53 | jagernot | hello how do i obtain a graphics context for a window to draw on? |
| 09:12.59 | Mikho | maybe it's because deleting or new:ing the pointer or sth might destroy everything |
| 09:13.19 | Meizirkki | no, no one invited me and request takes forever :( |
| 09:14.30 | Mikho | ok, I'll see if I get troublems with this solution, and be happy but afraid if I don't |
| 09:14.53 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: msg me an email and i'll invite |
| 09:15.06 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 09:15.07 | Meizirkki | sec |
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| 09:23.33 | johnx | hey Stskeeps :) |
| 09:23.41 | johnx | I'll install that as soon as gtk is done compiling |
| 09:23.54 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 09:24.24 | johnx | thankfully I was able to do the gtk compile on the n800 so things should go a lot quicker vs zaurus |
| 09:24.36 | RST38h | Mikho: It cannot be modified because you cannot tell what it is |
| 09:24.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: on jaiku? setting up #reconstructedPOC as a experiment in development, where achievements/proposal changes/experiences/etc are documented |
| 09:24.55 | RST38h | Mikho: It is a point that the completely opaque string class implementation gives to you |
| 09:25.14 | RST38h | Once you modify it, your program may work of fail depending on how string class is implemented |
| 09:25.18 | johnx | sighs and makes a jaiku account |
| 09:25.40 | Stskeeps | hehe, want an invite cos it seems their main adding system doesn't work? |
| 09:26.10 | Mikho | I understand that, but the thing is that the opaque class in this case happens to have a function for exposing some of it's internale mechanics |
| 09:26.12 | johnx | eek, really? |
| 09:26.27 | Stskeeps | yeah, i stood in queue for a day or so, invite works fine though |
| 09:26.27 | Mikho | that is, the C string interface |
| 09:26.43 | johnx | thanks |
| 09:27.05 | Mikho | so it's not that opaque |
| 09:27.35 | Stskeeps | wonders why wiki.maemo.org is dead again |
| 09:27.53 | johnx | I heard there was another hardware move |
| 09:27.59 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:28.01 | johnx | though try s/http/https/ |
| 09:28.19 | Mikho | I think I can be pretty sure the returned pointer contains the string in question, and is null-terminated |
| 09:28.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: same result though |
| 09:28.59 | johnx | ah, ok. then it's the hardware move |
| 09:29.07 | Mikho | it's not possible that the returned char* would contain just half of the string, while the other end lies in some other part of memory |
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| 09:31.40 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw i managed to squeeze http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/107mb.txt into 107mb flash? |
| 09:32.07 | Stskeeps | tracker, pulseaudio, dash,bash, etc |
| 09:32.16 | johnx | yup, just now. catching up with the backlog :) |
| 09:32.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:32.25 | johnx | and bluez too |
| 09:33.53 | RST38h | Mikho: [yawning widely] The reason why it exposes that string to you as c_str() is for compatibility with C. You see, most normal people do not use STL, they use char strings |
| 09:34.14 | RST38h | And somehow STL had to satisfy normal people |
| 09:34.33 | RST38h | So, they made a function to return you a const char *. |
| 09:35.17 | RST38h | But do not treat it as an invitation to screw with it. |
| 09:35.32 | Mikho | yes, that's exactly the reason I can't see why it wouldn't work, compabitility with C |
| 09:36.04 | RST38h | Mikho: Example why it wouldn't work: c_str() may return a pointer to a temporary buffer |
| 09:36.25 | RST38h | so whatever changes you make to it do not get reflected in the STL string |
| 09:36.51 | Mikho | I wonder if there's such an implementation |
| 09:38.10 | Mikho | if there is, I'll quit the idea immediately |
| 09:38.12 | RST38h | Well, cast it to char *, modify it, and continue wondering |
| 09:38.42 | RST38h | I mean, it's not my job to persuade random people on IRC to do things correctly |
| 09:38.50 | jagernot | im struggling to change the color of my pen when i draw into a GtkWidget... |
| 09:39.18 | jagernot | i want to get a GC, then change color via colormap...how to get a GC on a GtkWidget? thanks. |
| 09:39.57 | Mikho | oh, looks like it's not possible for the function to return a copy if I use at() instead |
| 09:40.03 | jagernot | i tried widget->style->fg_gc, black_gc etc but they dont let me change the color.. |
| 09:40.10 | Mikho | since at() returns a reference |
| 09:40.50 | Mikho | but, it doesn't make any assumptions on the character order either... hmm |
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| 09:44.48 | johnx | grrr...jaiku wants to be able to send an sms to me :/ |
| 09:44.51 | johnx | not gonna happen |
| 09:45.47 | Meizirkki | Why? |
| 09:46.07 | johnx | no SMS support on this carrier |
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| 09:47.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: you can just skip that part afaik |
| 09:47.18 | johnx | ah cool |
| 09:47.55 | qwerty12 | Heh, webmin runs slow on the N800 :P |
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| 09:48.30 | Meizirkki | Xchat crashed :/ |
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| 09:52.44 | Mikho | RST38h, just noticed you recommended avoiding gtk. Is there really a choice if you program for N810? |
| 09:54.11 | lcuk | rubs his eyes |
| 09:54.25 | lcuk | yawns n stretches |
| 09:54.58 | lcuk | is maemo.org down? |
| 09:55.09 | Stskeeps | think so |
| 09:55.12 | qwerty12 | yeah |
| 09:55.19 | Stskeeps | Mikho: qt will come eventually |
| 09:56.32 | hahlobit | hey any guess why /var/run/screen gives permission denied on sdcard boot? but works flash-disk boot? as user in both cases. |
| 09:56.55 | lcuk | sdcard does not have execute permissions |
| 09:57.08 | hahlobit | ah |
| 09:57.22 | johnx | errr...not quite |
| 09:57.37 | qwerty12 | ownership I'd guess |
| 09:57.45 | johnx | it actually fails for me when booting from flash |
| 09:58.02 | hahlobit | strange then |
| 09:58.25 | hahlobit | johnx: do you have diaablo too? |
| 09:58.36 | lcuk | missed the word boot out |
| 10:00.16 | hahlobit | can i fix it somehow? not nice to run screen irssi as a root. |
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| 10:01.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC as well then :) |
| 10:01.45 | johnx | hahlobit, just make the directory |
| 10:02.20 | hahlobit | ok |
| 10:02.46 | johnx | no wonder my zaurus was having so much trouble building docs |
| 10:02.57 | johnx | just that part alone is taking 70% of 128MB... |
| 10:03.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 10:04.12 | johnx | so anyways, gtk should finish in a couple hours |
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| 10:05.19 | Stskeeps | sounds good, then we can get hacking on hildon and such |
| 10:05.26 | Stskeeps | i guess we're using the SVN packages? |
| 10:05.37 | johnx | yeah, I'm following trunk |
| 10:05.38 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.39 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:05.51 | johnx | ah...well...hmm |
| 10:06.10 | johnx | i wonder how different they are at this point |
| 10:06.22 | Stskeeps | well, trunk=fremantle |
| 10:06.30 | johnx | ah, well that's good news |
| 10:06.35 | Stskeeps | i doubt it's tagged yet |
| 10:07.34 | johnx | i guess the only thing tagged is some hildon stuff? |
| 10:07.43 | hahlobit | ls -l gives /var/run/screen ls -l /var/run/screen |
| 10:07.47 | hahlobit | drwx------ 2 root root |
| 10:08.14 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: there's a bit of weirdness about /var/run when the system boots afaik |
| 10:08.27 | hahlobit | ah |
| 10:08.59 | johnx | I think /var/run/screen needs to be remade and chmod 666 every boot |
| 10:09.33 | hahlobit | strange |
| 10:11.08 | hahlobit | hope uptime is good then :) |
| 10:13.05 | johnx | mmm...changelogs for fremantle look nice :) |
| 10:15.52 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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| 10:16.01 | johnx | "Replaced scrolled window with pannable area." from hildon-fm fremantle branch Changelog |
| 10:16.42 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:17.18 | RST38h | johnx: Are they finally building a decent file manager? |
| 10:17.42 | johnx | hmm, dunno |
| 10:17.58 | johnx | this is just the gtk file open dialog I think |
| 10:18.24 | Meizirkki | Can i boot directly into m-r? |
| 10:18.58 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, the tar.gz i gave is bootable |
| 10:19.20 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 10:19.22 | RST38h | johnx: it is the same as their file manager |
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| 10:20.17 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: tar -zxf it on a ext3 fs or something, and it should be bootable without issue, but you should activate console mode / usb in rescue menu |
| 10:20.34 | Stskeeps | it doesn't have wifi yet |
| 10:21.12 | Meizirkki | i have unpacked it, but how can i activate console mode? |
| 10:22.14 | Meizirkki | i have deblet-bootmenu |
| 10:22.56 | Stskeeps | start it up like you would deblet and hold down the home key after you've selected it in bootmenu and pressed enter |
| 10:23.08 | Meizirkki | ookay |
| 10:23.23 | Stskeeps | then a menu like on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE will come up |
| 10:23.42 | Stskeeps | where you can select usbnet (will activate console too), or just pure console, etc |
| 10:23.51 | Stskeeps | serial doesn't work and splash doesnt either |
| 10:24.08 | Meizirkki | i'm now on rescue menu |
| 10:24.17 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 10:24.24 | Stskeeps | just select ethernet gadget one |
| 10:24.39 | Meizirkki | There is only start deblet normally option |
| 10:25.06 | Meizirkki | nothing happens, when i press laft of right |
| 10:25.36 | Stskeeps | try a little harder |
| 10:25.42 | Stskeeps | it picks up once a second or so :P |
| 10:26.05 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 10:26.19 | Meizirkki | it lagged first time |
| 10:26.24 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:26.27 | Meizirkki | rebooted and works now |
| 10:26.50 | Stskeeps | on a n800 or n810? |
| 10:26.55 | Meizirkki | n810 |
| 10:27.09 | Stskeeps | ah, lucky bastard |
| 10:27.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:27.22 | Meizirkki | :) |
| 10:27.48 | Meizirkki | so i dont need computer when i got keyboard |
| 10:27.49 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 10:28.10 | Meizirkki | do i select activate console |
| 10:29.27 | Meizirkki | should wlan work if i install nokias wlan firmware .deb? |
| 10:30.17 | Stskeeps | firmware is already referred to, you just need to ln -s to umac.ko to initfs and grab my cx3110x.ko from deblet |
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| 10:31.05 | Meizirkki | what about usb-networking? |
| 10:31.44 | Meizirkki | ah, Fn does not work :( |
| 10:33.22 | Meizirkki | What can i do? :) i'm on root prompt |
| 10:37.28 | Stskeeps | usb networking should work when you select usb networking in rescue menu |
| 10:37.50 | Stskeeps | and then plug it into a usbnet capable machine, nokia sets ip 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 10:52.05 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you up for a lazy day today or bat out of hell? |
| 10:52.05 | Stskeeps | heh, wikipedia "Due in part to the free and open source nature of Linux and Maemo, porting applications to Maemo is a straightforward procedure." |
| 10:52.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk: breakfast, coffee and reading for classes |
| 10:52.20 | qwerty12 | I say bollocks! |
| 10:53.00 | johnx | to which part? |
| 10:53.02 | lcuk | porting applications is simple, you just have to crack your own framebuffer, construct a graphics library, incorporate support for widget frameworks and then write the applications |
| 10:53.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: "straightforward" |
| 10:53.15 | qwerty12 | ^ |
| 10:53.22 | Stskeeps | maybe compared to porting from windows CE to maemo |
| 10:53.39 | johnx | ah, I figured bollocks to "reading for classes" :) |
| 10:53.47 | johnx | or possibly coffee |
| 10:53.58 | qwerty12 | Heh, I don't drink tea or coffee anyway :P |
| 10:54.06 | lcuk | neat vodka |
| 10:54.29 | lcuk | or do you have vodka shandy still? |
| 10:55.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: you don't drink tea or coffee and yet you have energy for all the neck-breaking stuff you do? scary |
| 10:55.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:55.51 | lcuk | Stskeeps, hes young |
| 10:56.00 | lcuk | give him a few years |
| 10:56.17 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 10:56.32 | Stskeeps | started at 15 |
| 10:56.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:56.42 | lcuk | once he hits 19 or 20 he will be over the hill and begin to show us that he ported backgammon or something |
| 10:57.29 | lcuk | hmmm virus checker is goin bonkers |
| 10:57.45 | johnx | that's what they do |
| 10:58.07 | qwerty12 | The joys of windows... |
| 10:58.24 | lcuk | heh, it scanned 1.5million objects before i noticed it had gone nutes though |
| 10:58.29 | lcuk | mustv just hit a noisey drive |
| 10:58.49 | hahlobit | is there clamavv for maemo? |
| 10:58.55 | Meizirkki | Trying to get usbinternet to my n810 |
| 10:59.23 | Meizirkki | i can ping my tablet... but bridging does not work yet |
| 10:59.29 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/main/tablet-network-setup/interfaces.deblet |
| 10:59.33 | Stskeeps | may come in usefu |
| 10:59.34 | Stskeeps | l |
| 10:59.46 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 10:59.48 | lcuk | johnx, did you join jaiku so you could cheerleader sts, or for some other reason? :D |
| 11:00.04 | Stskeeps | lcuk: experiment i'm doing.. collaboration over microblogging |
| 11:00.20 | Stskeeps | or keeping eachother up to date since we are timezones apart |
| 11:00.22 | johnx | ah, so should I post build updates to jaiku instead of IRC then? |
| 11:00.25 | lcuk | sts, as ive said i really like what you are doing :) |
| 11:00.29 | Stskeeps | johnx: either is good |
| 11:00.44 | lcuk | heh johnx, i pondered posting all my irc directly to jaiku as well |
| 11:00.49 | lcuk | but figured i'd blow their servers |
| 11:01.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: i've put some of the packages and such already as links on the #reconstructedPOC channel |
| 11:01.24 | Mek | hmm, is maemo.org down or is it just me? |
| 11:01.32 | johnx | Stskeeps, I need to follow that too then |
| 11:02.34 | Stskeeps | Mek: not just you |
| 11:02.47 | Mek | okay |
| 11:03.04 | Stskeeps | johnx: it also serves as a kind of backlog we can look back and people who join in can quickly get updated on difficulties/progress/where we are etc |
| 11:03.30 | johnx | good. I think this is a good compromise format between wiki and irc |
| 11:03.31 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i already get those items dont i |
| 11:03.57 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm not sure if you see it just cos of me posting to #reconstructedPOC cos you're following me |
| 11:04.20 | lcuk | only thing i dont like is the webpage "add your jaiku here" i keep pressing return to do a second line and it posts it |
| 11:04.30 | lcuk | yeah sts, i havent missed any of them |
| 11:05.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: ~/public_html on trac.* is now accessible on trac.tspre.org/johnx btw |
| 11:05.29 | Stskeeps | for packages and such |
| 11:05.53 | johnx | sounds good, I'll start uploading to there and following with a jaiku post |
| 11:05.55 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:06.42 | hahlobit | xandros got clamav for eeepc maybe nokia should have it in maemo too :) |
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| 11:07.35 | lcuk | hahlobit, go for it, see how well it works |
| 11:07.35 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: i've yet to see a virus and since we don't run everything as root or allow people to type in "reboot" or "wget http://somewhere/something; chmod +x; ./something" on people's keyboards, we're fairly safe |
| 11:07.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:07.41 | qwerty12 | hahlobit, there's nothing stopping you from compiling it :). Personally I think it's a waste of time having an av on Linux, forget about a ARM device |
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| 11:08.10 | lcuk | qwerty, you forget malicious code does not just come in binary form |
| 11:08.28 | lcuk | aren't there plenty of scriptable nasties around? |
| 11:08.51 | qwerty12 | Common sense says to check scripts though |
| 11:09.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: there seems to be a small bunch of nokia people on jaiku as well so they might follow / join if it gets some more attention |
| 11:09.25 | johnx | the more the merrier |
| 11:09.44 | johnx | is jaiku a nokia project? |
| 11:09.51 | johnx | or is it just more popular in Europe? |
| 11:09.55 | hahlobit | qwerty12: i heard fsecure is doing testing on maemo, some of their devs looked bonobo for maemo. |
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| 11:10.38 | qwerty12 | Interesting :). Well, it seems one av company doesn't agree with me :) |
| 11:10.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: nah, google thing i think, but it's finnish.. |
| 11:11.17 | hahlobit | is there gsm phone coming on maemo platform? |
| 11:11.27 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: nah, data only HSDPA/3g |
| 11:11.39 | Stskeeps | would you really want earmarks on your tablet? :P |
| 11:11.41 | hahlobit | ok |
| 11:12.14 | hahlobit | is that 3g model out already? |
| 11:12.24 | Stskeeps | nop, coming .. at some point |
| 11:12.26 | Veggen | qwerty12: AV companies have an interest in keeping the myth that Linux virues will come in masses similar to Windows when it gets as popular. |
| 11:12.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: think we'll use jaiku icons to seperate the different issues, - so we can go back and see what things we need nokia to fix/problems etc |
| 11:12.53 | lcuk | virus writers would like to make that come true |
| 11:13.23 | meiz_2 | is the jaiku client "mauku" worth of trying? |
| 11:13.31 | Veggen | lcuk: Linux isn't immune to viruses, but there's inherent differences making them not as likely to spreak. |
| 11:13.34 | Veggen | eh, spread. |
| 11:13.42 | Stskeeps | meiz_2: it's alright |
| 11:14.05 | qwerty12 | hahlobit, everytime you think of a tablet with a phone, look at this first : http://www.cheatcc.com/images/news/oldngage.jpg :P |
| 11:14.05 | hahlobit | wonder why no linux virus? |
| 11:14.16 | johnx | it's not worth the time of virus writers |
| 11:14.35 | lcuk | didnt viruses and rootkits exist here before windows? |
| 11:15.02 | Veggen | johnx: Wrong. Linux computers tend to be on much more continuously than windows machines, and can therefore be much more useful once you get at them. |
| 11:15.11 | johnx | hahlobit, why target a small technologically knowledgeable group instead of a big, diverse (but mostly not very knowledgeable) group? |
| 11:15.12 | lcuk | having a blanket trust of any system is worrying in itself |
| 11:15.36 | Stskeeps | i think tablets may be useful in terms of bluetooth headsets and such though |
| 11:15.38 | Stskeeps | for phoning |
| 11:15.44 | lcuk | johnx, you dont target the people, you target the hardware - and that same hardware is running most of the internet |
| 11:15.52 | johnx | lcuk, agreed. package signing needs to become ubiquitous |
| 11:16.11 | lcuk | but we just abandoned signed packages for maemo.org repo |
| 11:16.18 | Veggen | lcuk: Noone does, and that's why it's *always* (well, at least as far back as since I started paying attention) been a habit to for example drop into "nobody"-user for apache... |
| 11:16.21 | johnx | the other thing is that the software you need to infect is so massively diverse |
| 11:16.22 | qwerty12 | Veggen, Heh :/. For i386 probably, I still don't believe we will see a "horde" of linux viruses on the tablet :). Especially with the tablets being so easy to reflash. Then again, a virus that destroys mtd0 *shudders* |
| 11:17.01 | lcuk | destructive viruses are rare nowadays |
| 11:17.14 | Veggen | qwerty12: I don't believe we'll see a mass of badly written programs that require ordinary users to run as root or have such rights all over the file system. |
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| 11:17.20 | lcuk | you still occasionally here about people firing up their amigas and inserting old disks |
| 11:17.38 | lcuk | its like ebola outbreaks |
| 11:17.47 | Veggen | qwerty: Windows' virus-problems these days largely are due to that very old habit. |
| 11:18.20 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i still wonder how much damage is possible to do with extras upload.. you could potentially override some base packages |
| 11:18.28 | lcuk | agreed |
| 11:18.48 | lcuk | so if one extras uploaded was compromised it could be a problem |
| 11:18.53 | lcuk | uploader ^ |
| 11:19.10 | lcuk | i quite liked the signing process |
| 11:19.25 | lcuk | it was a pain in the arse, but gave it that offical stamp |
| 11:19.56 | johnx | Veggen, but any program installed can have a postinst run as root |
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| 11:20.20 | hahlobit | have you seen rootkits on maemo? |
| 11:20.39 | lcuk | no, but why do that - the entire kernel can be replaced |
| 11:21.00 | qwerty12 | hahlobit, http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/pool/rkhunter_1.3.2-5_all.deb - rootkit hunter, knock yourself out :P |
| 11:21.32 | lcuk | heh - in a discussion about viruses i dont think anyone will install a random deb |
| 11:21.41 | lcuk | even from you qwerty |
| 11:21.44 | hahlobit | that for maemo cool |
| 11:21.44 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 11:21.50 | lcuk | especially from you actually :P |
| 11:22.03 | qwerty12 | Nah, it's from itT user free, who's been around for a long time :P |
| 11:22.33 | qwerty12 | lcuk, :P. Fine, I'll scrutenize liqbase closely when I upgrade it :P |
| 11:22.52 | lcuk | great, please do qwerty, i removed the root requirement for just this reason discussed now |
| 11:23.06 | meiz_2 | maemo.org still down :( |
| 11:23.11 | lcuk | the cpu adjustments now are the only things run with sudo |
| 11:23.19 | johnx | eh, viruses that run as root are totally unnecessary |
| 11:23.34 | lcuk | agreed johnx, still a lot of valuable stuff in there without |
| 11:23.40 | hahlobit | wonder is there many webservers on maemo |
| 11:23.49 | johnx | opening ports, reading browser cache, running as a daemon |
| 11:23.56 | johnx | hahlobit, plenty |
| 11:24.13 | qwerty12 | lcuk, it was kinda dodgy running liqbase as root as you once did because that messed up ownership of files :P |
| 11:24.39 | lcuk | yeah i know - its fine now though :) |
| 11:25.10 | proto | meiz_2, maemo is up now :) |
| 11:25.17 | meiz_2 | ok |
| 11:25.22 | lcuk | do you think we will have nice fast maemo.org after this service break? |
| 11:25.39 | lcuk | "The operation timed out when attempting to contact maemo.org." |
| 11:25.40 | proto | lcuk: Impressive job with liqbase |
| 11:25.49 | lcuk | thank you proto :) |
| 11:26.04 | qwerty12 | lcuk, same here |
| 11:26.30 | lcuk | thank you qwerty :p |
| 11:26.33 | qwerty12 | slaps himself for even thinking about switching to KDE from GNOME |
| 11:26.38 | proto | well, I dont know shit about programmin but still seem 9cool |
| 11:27.04 | qwerty12 | lcuk, timing out that is :P. You've heard my complements towards liqbase before :P |
| 11:27.43 | proto | lcuk, I leaved a message on the maemo forum |
| 11:28.31 | lcuk | recently or a couple of months ago? |
| 11:28.45 | proto | about helping you out with graphics in case |
| 11:28.56 | proto | mh, a couple of hours ago I think |
| 11:29.01 | proto | seem pretty recent to me |
| 11:29.42 | lcuk | mmmm find the post cos theres nothin on the thread and my mail hasnt binged |
| 11:30.13 | lcuk | has neglected slashdot this year |
| 11:30.21 | hahlobit | apt-cache search apache didn't find any? |
| 11:30.29 | lcuk | ive dropped my stats on seenonslash :( |
| 11:30.44 | johnx | hahlobit, try lighthttpd (sp?) |
| 11:30.55 | hahlobit | ok |
| 11:30.55 | qwerty12 | lcuk, for you: |
| 11:30.58 | qwerty12 | ~slashdot |
| 11:31.32 | lcuk | nice |
| 11:32.47 | hahlobit | nokia got port of apache for symbian (raccoon) i thought they port it maemo too |
| 11:33.46 | johnx | it's available somewhere I'm sure |
| 11:33.51 | johnx | but why do you need apache? |
| 11:34.03 | johnx | it doesn't need to be "ported" just recompiled and repackaged |
| 11:34.14 | lcuk | because its backend surely it doesnt need "porting" it should just be a case of building it ? |
| 11:34.19 | lcuk | mainly |
| 11:34.22 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:34.38 | qwerty12 | hahlobit, lighttpd (which would run a hell of a lot better on the tablets) is available at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=235084&postcount=19 |
| 11:34.40 | johnx | but "porting" is kind of an amorphous word |
| 11:34.47 | qwerty12 | apache2 is in extras and on garage afaik |
| 11:34.55 | hahlobit | but with symbian it was port |
| 11:35.12 | qwerty12 | symbian ain't linux |
| 11:35.43 | hahlobit | nice to have apache on phone too |
| 11:36.50 | johnx | I'm still trying to figure out why you want apache over something faster and smaller? |
| 11:37.18 | hahlobit | no reason just know it |
| 11:37.29 | proto | httpd on maemo sound amazing to me |
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| 11:40.22 | lcuk | Proto, this is amazing https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4816/wp_nokia1.jpg ive seen the swirly nokia logo before (i went to the website they have lots of nice things) but the background somehow feels like escher mixed up with xkcd |
| 11:41.37 | lcuk | loves pencil drawings |
| 11:41.38 | Stskeeps | is that bacon in one of the bubbles? |
| 11:41.58 | proto | lol, thanks, I just grabbed a screenshot from the nokia marketing clip |
| 11:42.44 | proto | oh, uhm, no |
| 11:43.00 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i think so |
| 11:43.04 | lcuk | don't believe proto :P |
| 11:43.13 | proto | I was refering to then new wallpaper |
| 11:43.20 | proto | you are right |
| 11:43.33 | proto | damn it, I didnt think I uploaded that |
| 11:43.55 | proto | I guess I should remove it from there |
| 11:44.21 | lcuk | thats a shame |
| 11:44.25 | lcuk | i really like it |
| 11:44.52 | lcuk | adds a monitor for that thingy |
| 11:45.03 | proto | well, I didnt make it, I just paste the nokia logo on a probably copyrighted pic |
| 11:45.03 | proto | take it |
| 11:45.05 | proto | ill probably remove it in a couple of days |
| 11:45.13 | proto | :) |
| 11:45.40 | proto | well, Im nearly bored with that stupid theme |
| 11:46.22 | lcuk | heh, your new desktop https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4819/085sshot_home_black.jpg looks cool as well |
| 11:46.32 | lcuk | im reminded of the flash version of portal for some reason |
| 11:47.54 | proto | yes, that is the nokia clip screenshot |
| 11:48.00 | proto | dman it really late |
| 11:48.08 | proto | father wait me for lunch |
| 11:48.20 | proto | see you soon guy |
| 11:48.30 | proto | happy sunday |
| 11:48.33 | johnx | 'later |
| 11:48.37 | lcuk | cya proto |
| 11:48.44 | johnx | heh...end of sunday here :/ |
| 11:49.01 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:49.05 | lcuk | has a happy sunday |
| 11:49.10 | lcuk | jumps for joy o/ |
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| 12:00.57 | mlpug | is maemo.org website up-and-running properly? I cant access it while other sites tend to work ok |
| 12:01.16 | mlpug | "The server at maemo.org is taking too long to respond." |
| 12:01.41 | johnx | looks down from here |
| 12:03.41 | Meizirkki2 | There are many "icy" packages available at http://repository.handhelds.org/ |
| 12:04.06 | johnx | yeah, saw that, but I think it's still pretty slim compared to hasty |
| 12:04.16 | johnx | still, more are showing up every day |
| 12:04.25 | johnx | is jealous of mojo's build farm |
| 12:04.50 | Meizirkki2 | yep, waiting for armv6el-vfp release.. |
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| 12:06.13 | johnx | well an armv5el release would be interesting too :) |
| 12:08.27 | Meizirkki2 | thinking about the time, its only week when interpid came offical... |
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| 12:11.58 | eichi | hello |
| 12:12.12 | eichi | is there somewhere a maemo sdk qemu image? |
| 12:12.55 | Stskeeps | think there's a vmware one.. |
| 12:13.35 | GNUton | is planet.maemo.org down? |
| 12:13.45 | Mek | everything.maemo.org is down I think |
| 12:13.56 | GNUton | Mek: that's great |
| 12:14.01 | qwerty12_N800 | 'cept garage + the repos |
| 12:15.44 | lcuk | uuuurg http://dailycostume.com/archive/reallydamnscary/ she would have no problem coding everything, got plenty of hands |
| 12:20.19 | mlpug | can I introspect what dbus services in n810 are available for my application to use? for example, does gpsd offer geolocation coordinates for my application to use? |
| 12:23.16 | camel_liu | Does anybody have a sample about how to play ogg video in maemo? |
| 12:23.54 | camel_liu | I can play a .ogg file's audio, but cannot play its video. |
| 12:24.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: glib in the .tar.gz is your package btw |
| 12:24.30 | johnx | :D |
| 12:24.44 | johnx | libosso is up, I *think* gtk must be close to finished |
| 12:25.20 | johnx | any request for the next build? for now I'm running separate builds on both machines. after gtk finishes I'll switch to distcc |
| 12:26.30 | camel_liu | The window is flashing in different color when play a .ogg, but I can hear its audio. |
| 12:27.49 | Stskeeps | johnx: sec, might have one |
| 12:28.25 | bergie | there is a new database server coming for maemo.org, so this might be the downtime for that. not sure |
| 12:28.40 | Stskeeps | johnx: hildon-1 i guess is next logical step |
| 12:28.48 | johnx | depends on gtk, right? |
| 12:29.06 | johnx | <- duh of course it does john |
| 12:29.11 | lcuk | bergie, finally upgrading maemo.org to a new n810 then |
| 12:29.29 | bergie | lcuk: I'm more waiting for friday when we upgrade midgard there :-) |
| 12:29.37 | Stskeeps | yeah, and on that only of the stuff we're messing about with |
| 12:29.45 | lcuk | excellent bergie, hope it goes smoothly |
| 12:30.40 | johnx | hopefully gtk will finish before I go to bed and hildon-1 can compile overnight to give distcc a good test |
| 12:31.19 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:31.43 | Stskeeps | should be done with --with-maemo-gtk=yes i guess (if it's not default on) |
| 12:31.54 | johnx | check |
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| 12:33.07 | Stskeeps | MAEMO_CHANGES or something |
| 12:35.01 | johnx | looks like it defaults to enabled |
| 12:35.19 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 12:35.26 | johnx | think it's reasonable to build without docs for now? |
| 12:35.28 | Stskeeps | verify when configure runs i guess |
| 12:35.33 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:35.40 | Stskeeps | proof of concept, not final system |
| 12:35.41 | johnx | the time spent on docs is kind of ridiculous |
| 12:35.52 | Stskeeps | i forsake scrollkeeper and all it's evil as well |
| 12:35.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:37.05 | johnx | alright, no more builds with docs |
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| 12:49.06 | johnx | I don't even know if xsltproc is still working or if it just fell into a loop :/ |
| 12:49.17 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 12:49.38 | camel_liu | Does anyone know how to program to play .ogv or .swf using gstreamer? |
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| 13:10.51 | Meizirkki2 | now installing qemu... |
| 13:13.17 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i am right in thinking i can use qemu and your image from windows aren't i |
| 13:13.41 | Stskeeps | lcuk: the .tar.gz? right now it's a thing that boot on the tablet |
| 13:13.53 | Stskeeps | jffs2 images are bootable on qemu but i havent released those yet |
| 13:14.23 | lcuk | is it possible to just grab the standard maemo one and boot with that |
| 13:14.25 | lcuk | or wont it work |
| 13:14.27 | Stskeeps | yeah, it is |
| 13:14.32 | Stskeeps | read hrw's postings on it |
| 13:14.50 | Stskeeps | but you need to do some tricky stuff to get it to boot properly i guess |
| 13:14.53 | lcuk | cool, cos obviously windows install will appeal to some users |
| 13:15.19 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/install-MR-sdk where i get my qemu from |
| 13:15.28 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 13:15.28 | Stskeeps | and toolchains and sb2 |
| 13:15.31 | Meizirkki2 | yhanks |
| 13:15.35 | Meizirkki2 | t* |
| 13:15.38 | Stskeeps | (requires a lot of stuff. git, svn, etc.) |
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| 13:21.48 | Meizirkki2 | what was that command to debootstrap minimum system? |
| 13:21.58 | Meizirkki2 | *rootfs |
| 13:23.34 | Stskeeps | debootstrap --arch=arm --variant=minbase hasty /target mirror |
| 13:23.35 | Stskeeps | i think |
| 13:23.51 | johnx | sounds right. and remember that mirror is required |
| 13:27.50 | amrileria | does anyone have a good pointer to doc where I can see how to implement xmlhttprequest from my rich client in python. I couldn't find any. |
| 13:34.32 | johnx | interesting. running ifconfig in ubuntu on the n800 has a non-zero chance of causing the machine to hang and reboot |
| 13:34.46 | Stskeeps | my booted image? |
| 13:34.54 | johnx | mine actually |
| 13:34.57 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:35.00 | johnx | think it's related to wireless |
| 13:35.20 | johnx | I might as well install yours at this point though and work up from it |
| 13:35.55 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 13:51.51 | Meizirkki2 | i an willing to try run armv6 release in qemu |
| 13:54.07 | Stskeeps | mm - make a ttyS2 in etc/event.d in same manner as tty1, add ttyS2 to /etc/securetty |
| 13:54.31 | Stskeeps | passwd root |
| 13:55.14 | Stskeeps | get poky-nokia800-flashutil |
| 13:55.53 | Stskeeps | mkfs.jffs2 -o file.jffs2 -e 128KiB -n -v -r /where/your/sys/is |
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| 13:56.36 | Stskeeps | poky-nokia800-flashutil file.jffs2 n800.flash rootfs |
| 13:57.15 | Stskeeps | flasher-3.0 -u -F a nokia firmware image, and grab zImage from it |
| 13:58.06 | Stskeeps | and then qemu-system-arm -M n800 -cpu arm1136-rw -kernel zImage -mtdblock n800.flash -m 130M --append="root=/dev/mtdblock4 rootfstype=jffs2 console=ttyS2" -serial vc -serial vc -serial stdio |
| 13:58.16 | Stskeeps | .. and then it should start booting, may wait a while at initial mount |
| 13:59.11 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 13:59.36 | Stskeeps | good luck :P |
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| 14:00.36 | Stskeeps | and beware, if you want to replace the jffs2 image in it, rm the old one first, or you get funkeh errors |
| 14:01.34 | Stskeeps | as in, the n800.flash one |
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| 14:05.16 | lopz | hola |
| 14:05.42 | johnx | I never used rescue menu until now. It's definitely very cool :) |
| 14:05.46 | johnx | hi lopz |
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| 14:10.30 | Stskeeps | johnx: very useful indeed |
| 14:11.46 | Stskeeps | much can be said about XP's F8-on-boot, but it is actually bloody useful |
| 14:11.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:12.01 | johnx | except when it isn't |
| 14:12.16 | johnx | whereas init=/bin/sh will almost always get you *somewhere* |
| 14:12.52 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:13.07 | johnx | the main reason I use linux is I got fed up with things going wrong in windows and having no way to fix them |
| 14:14.40 | johnx | really quiet news day O_o |
| 14:16.36 | Meizirkki2 | maybe is't best if i just let that qemu thing go... |
| 14:16.36 | Stskeeps | indeed |
| 14:17.07 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: hehe, it will emulate a little faster than n800 but not much more |
| 14:17.51 | Meizirkki2 | I have n o idea how can i make it work, so i'll just play littlebit more with my n810. |
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| 14:19.20 | Meizirkki2 | your 123mb flash thing looks great |
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| 14:21.09 | camel_liu | how can I play a video using gstreamer in scratchbox? |
| 14:21.11 | camel_liu | gst-launch filesrc location=Ballun2008.ogg ! oggdemux ! theoradec ! xvimagesink |
| 14:21.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, but i would ideally like to have base user experience around 100mb-110mb |
| 14:21.14 | johnx|n800 | my desktop just shut off and won't turn on. might take me a bit longer to finish builds :/ |
| 14:21.34 | Stskeeps | hate when that happens, johnx|n800 :P |
| 14:21.46 | Stskeeps | i'll get a maemo gtk build going then |
| 14:21.57 | camel_liu | It returns: Could not open display |
| 14:22.06 | Stskeeps | camel_liu: export DISPLAY=:0 or something |
| 14:22.16 | johnx|n800 | yeah. don't really have another x86 box right now :| |
| 14:22.40 | camel_liu | I use: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x24 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite |
| 14:22.52 | camel_liu | and export DISPLAY=:2 |
| 14:23.28 | camel_liu | xvimagesink.c(1348): gst_xvimagesink_get_xv_support (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstXvImageSink:xvimagesink0: |
| 14:23.28 | camel_liu | No port available |
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| 14:24.01 | lcuk | xephyr cannot do xv |
| 14:24.24 | camel_liu | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 14:24.25 | lcuk | hrw couldnt get mplayer nor liqbase running in emulated environment for the same reason |
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| 14:24.41 | camel_liu | that is when export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 14:25.50 | Stskeeps | camel_liu: you're better off testing on tablet for this |
| 14:26.12 | johnx|n800 | it lives! |
| 14:26.24 | camel_liu | video cannot test in scratchbox? |
| 14:26.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: woo! |
| 14:27.48 | derf | camel_liu: What's wrong with just using playbin? |
| 14:28.42 | camel_liu | derf, how to just use playbin? |
| 14:29.03 | derf | gst-launch playbin uri=file:///path/to/file |
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| 14:29.31 | johnx | well that put me pretty close to panic for a while O_o |
| 14:29.31 | camel_liu | let me try |
| 14:30.00 | Meizirkki2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.08 | Meizirkki2 | sorry :) |
| 14:30.10 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: you're not on an android phone |
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| 14:30.19 | Meizirkki2 | no |
| 14:30.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: i have that with my work stuff.. even though i'm insured up the wazoo, i would -hate- to break something |
| 14:30.49 | camel_liu | return: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 14:31.07 | johnx | normally, I'd just be frustrated but if this box dies it might be a while before I can replace it |
| 14:31.22 | derf | Set your DISPLAY to point back to :2 |
| 14:31.22 | camel_liu | what should I set export DISPLAY? |
| 14:31.52 | camel_liu | DONE! |
| 14:32.02 | camel_liu | derf, it's DONE! |
| 14:32.17 | camel_liu | thanks |
| 14:32.33 | derf | Yer welcome. |
| 14:32.37 | Meizirkki2 | sorry about my english skills, stskeeps, what did you mean with that android phone? |
| 14:33.04 | derf | camel_liu: Out of curiosity, what are you planning to do with Theora? |
| 14:33.15 | johnx | there's a bug on the new android phones that cause anything typed on them to be executed as a command by root |
| 14:33.17 | camel_liu | then, what's the sink should be in program? |
| 14:33.52 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
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| 14:35.58 | camel_liu | I have a plan with maemo and N800. I'm trying to figure out a bussiness plan about an especial application of a handheld like N800 in China. |
| 14:36.23 | camel_liu | I think it's a big bussiness. |
| 14:37.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: you remember to dpkg -i your own packages when compiling the next step btw? |
| 14:37.09 | johnx | yes, of course |
| 14:37.12 | Stskeeps | oki |
| 14:37.20 | johnx | heh...I only got one step in though |
| 14:38.19 | johnx | so did you start a maemo-gtk build? |
| 14:38.33 | Stskeeps | not yet, setting up my environment for it |
| 14:39.02 | camel_liu | derf, what should I use in sink element? |
| 14:40.13 | Meizirkki2 | For m-r ui, Is the hildon good choise? |
| 14:40.36 | Meizirkki2 | i mean is it going to be with hildon and matchbox |
| 14:40.51 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: that's initial goal -but- the goal is that it should be a versatile platform |
| 14:41.00 | Stskeeps | if people want to run u-m interface, lxde, etc, they can |
| 14:41.12 | Meizirkki2 | oks |
| 14:41.16 | Stskeeps | and there won't be a "hack" feeling about it |
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| 14:41.54 | Meizirkki2 | but with 250 mb flash it won't be possible to install another desktop environment into nit |
| 14:42.03 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: aufs, clone to SD |
| 14:42.11 | Stskeeps | plenty of possibilities. |
| 14:42.11 | Meizirkki2 | yep |
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| 14:43.23 | Meizirkki2 | i cannot kick myself... |
| 14:43.38 | Stskeeps | it's just about supporting it sanely in the system so it isnt a hack |
| 14:43.51 | lcuk | Stskeeps, its usable :D http://liqbase.net/liq.20081109_143957.gary.scr.png |
| 14:44.02 | Meizirkki2 | i mean that i tried to kick myself from this channel :) |
| 14:45.31 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: /part :P |
| 14:45.36 | Stskeeps | you cannot kick yourself :> |
| 14:47.57 | Meizirkki2 | is there a repository or a place where on the internet where you have those .debs like kerner-diablo-modules? |
| 14:48.12 | Meizirkki2 | *place in the internet |
| 14:48.13 | Stskeeps | packages.tspre.org |
| 14:48.16 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 14:48.18 | Stskeeps | in pool/ |
| 14:48.27 | Meizirkki2 | are there arm packages too |
| 14:48.32 | Stskeeps | not yet :P |
| 14:48.34 | Meizirkki2 | or armel |
| 14:48.36 | Stskeeps | armel |
| 14:48.37 | hahlobit | Stskeeps: could you make sdcard debians for nokia phones too :) |
| 14:48.52 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: with a very large hammer and a useless result.. |
| 14:48.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:49.13 | Meizirkki2 | :D |
| 14:49.20 | hahlobit | pity |
| 14:49.46 | hahlobit | i would like debian in n95 too |
| 14:50.16 | Stskeeps | it's slightly easier getting other linux types on n8x0's than on n95s, which afaik has signed firmware |
| 14:50.18 | hahlobit | iphone got linux |
| 14:50.32 | johnx | iphone has more people working on it |
| 14:50.49 | hahlobit | ok |
| 14:50.49 | johnx | you could be do your part in getting linux on the n95 though :) |
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| 14:51.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, signing was cracked a long time ago |
| 14:52.46 | Meizirkki2 | debian would be nice on my 5500 with 208x208 screen |
| 14:53.23 | hahlobit | hackndev guys spoke booting communicator from sdcard but didn't see it |
| 14:56.10 | Meizirkki2 | what packages i have to install for bootable hasty? |
| 14:56.39 | johnx | why not just start with Stskeeps' minbase .tgz? |
| 14:56.46 | Stskeeps | he's trying with armv6 |
| 14:57.10 | Stskeeps | oh, hasty? |
| 14:57.15 | Stskeeps | then use my tar.gz? :P |
| 14:57.17 | Meizirkki2 | yep |
| 14:57.30 | johnx | debootstrap an image, install boot basics, |
| 14:57.36 | Meizirkki2 | is there armv6 .tar.gz |
| 14:57.39 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 14:58.21 | Stskeeps | to get to my result you need to install boot basics, copy /etc/init.d/deblet-boot-basics from armv5 .tar.gz, install udev, cp in fb0, fb1, fb2, etc :P |
| 14:58.33 | Meizirkki2 | only boot-basics is enough? |
| 14:58.36 | Meizirkki2 | thanks |
| 14:58.42 | Stskeeps | .. and the fbcon stuff |
| 14:58.44 | Stskeeps | it's not a easy feat :) |
| 14:58.53 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 14:59.01 | Stskeeps | you may be easier off simply replacing each package in armv5 one with their armv6 counterpa |
| 14:59.04 | Stskeeps | r |
| 14:59.06 | Stskeeps | t |
| 14:59.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: isn't n95 and n800 same base board? |
| 14:59.26 | johnx | aaactually, couldn't you switch repos and pin the armv6 repo higher to force a reinstall? |
| 15:00.02 | Stskeeps | possible |
| 15:00.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, both bb5, both use same processor |
| 15:00.18 | Stskeeps | johnx: but may fail cos i did docpurge |
| 15:00.31 | johnx | it shouldn't, should be a straight upgrade |
| 15:00.44 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 15:01.14 | johnx | either way, it's a faster result than manually hacking around building a bootable system |
| 15:01.25 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
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| 15:02.22 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: if you're bored you can attempt with getting X running and such on armv5, xserver from deblet should work just fine |
| 15:02.35 | Stskeeps | we can move to armv6 when we've gotten the various packages built and such |
| 15:03.20 | johnx | I'll be able to start building gtk with distcc in a couple minutes, if you haven't started yet |
| 15:03.20 | Stskeeps | and make an installer that puts stuff on top, like deblet does it |
| 15:04.14 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: you're also welcome to take source packages from deblet such as deblet-boot-basics, update it with the tar.gz version of the script, and dpkg-buildpackage it :) |
| 15:04.18 | Stskeeps | so we have it |
| 15:04.36 | Stskeeps | johnx: think mine will take atleast 10 mins before it's easy |
| 15:04.45 | Stskeeps | my attempt is qemu chroot of it with distcc somewhere else |
| 15:04.52 | Stskeeps | easy=able |
| 15:07.40 | Stskeeps | so just go ahead with yours.. im wondering if mine will be okay, two different gcc versions it seems |
| 15:07.52 | johnx | it *should* be |
| 15:08.10 | johnx | maybe we should both try unless you have other things to work on |
| 15:08.18 | Stskeeps | yeah.. it's just running right now |
| 15:08.22 | Stskeeps | and reading for classes |
| 15:08.37 | Stskeeps | better to have two attempts going if one fails ;) |
| 15:09.10 | johnx | and if both fail, we'll learn twice as much :) |
| 15:18.33 | Stskeeps | packages that don't respect CC= are fail. |
| 15:18.40 | Meizirkki2 | o |
| 15:18.57 | Meizirkki2 | k |
| 15:19.14 | johnx | well, there goes both of our plans |
| 15:19.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:19.38 | Stskeeps | ah, lovely, it did repsect it |
| 15:19.43 | Stskeeps | that's funky |
| 15:21.00 | Meizirkki2 | i was doing my homework :X |
| 15:21.53 | Meizirkki2 | i almost have booting armv6 now :) |
| 15:23.03 | Stskeeps | i'm watching gtk compile |
| 15:23.13 | Meizirkki2 | well anyway i am just a kid, so i might just think i am smart enough to do that :P |
| 15:23.32 | Meizirkki2 | to make it bootable |
| 15:23.46 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:23.47 | johnx | you should be able to. it's tricky, but totally doable |
| 15:23.57 | Stskeeps | linuxrc makes things a -lot- easie |
| 15:23.57 | Stskeeps | r |
| 15:24.03 | Meizirkki2 | yep |
| 15:24.05 | Stskeeps | less initfs crap to deal with |
| 15:24.17 | johnx | as soon as you can get a shell of some sort, it gets a lot easier |
| 15:25.25 | Meizirkki2 | i debootstrapped armv6 on top os Stskeeps unpacked armv5. |
| 15:25.32 | Stskeeps | that works? :P |
| 15:25.35 | Meizirkki2 | and i know that was not smart |
| 15:25.49 | Stskeeps | i'm not confident it isn't directly impossible either |
| 15:25.55 | Meizirkki2 | i have'nt tride yet |
| 15:26.00 | Meizirkki2 | *tried |
| 15:26.07 | Stskeeps | you may have some inconsistent package state but files stay |
| 15:26.09 | Meizirkki2 | (or whatever |
| 15:26.13 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
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| 15:27.09 | Stskeeps | wanders down to get some more coffee |
| 15:27.55 | Meizirkki2 | i think it would boot now, but i'll try to install needed packages.... |
| 15:29.27 | Stskeeps | if you sense any kind of speedup, i'm all ears |
| 15:30.15 | Meizirkki2 | one of my first tries with mojo: i accidentally debootstrapped it on top of deblet, and many things worked better, like locales, and it did not nagg about missing kernel modules... |
| 15:30.42 | Stskeeps | hehe. progress often happens by accident |
| 15:30.42 | Stskeeps | "hmm, that's funny" |
| 15:31.15 | Meizirkki2 | Is there anything i can test the speed of hasty? |
| 15:31.24 | johnx | gtkperf maybe? |
| 15:32.14 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
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| 15:33.46 | Meizirkki2 | i can install and generate locales, but how can i set the default locale? |
| 15:34.06 | Jaffa | af'noon all |
| 15:34.28 | lcuk | hey there jaffa |
| 15:40.03 | Meizirkki2 | wohoo! i made it |
| 15:40.30 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 15:40.43 | Meizirkki2 | bootable armv6, |
| 15:41.01 | Stskeeps | with console? :) |
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| 15:41.35 | Meizirkki2 | yep |
| 15:41.46 | Meizirkki2 | every time i install mojo, i have to flash bootmenu |
| 15:41.48 | Meizirkki2 | weird |
| 15:41.53 | Stskeeps | weird |
| 15:42.01 | Meizirkki2 | otherways, linuxrc wont work |
| 15:42.03 | Stskeeps | feel free to micro-document the achievement on #reconstructedPOC |
| 15:42.10 | Stskeeps | on what you did to get there |
| 15:42.54 | Meizirkki2 | Maybe it boots because i debootstrapped on top of your rootfs :P |
| 15:42.59 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:43.02 | Stskeeps | possible |
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| 15:48.36 | Stskeeps | damn, gtk is still compiling |
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| 16:04.20 | Meizirkki2 | it takes sooooooo long |
| 16:04.32 | Jaffa | p.m.o down? |
| 16:04.46 | Meizirkki2 | yep |
| 16:05.11 | Jaffa | bah |
| 16:05.18 | Meizirkki2 | maemo.org has been down whole day |
| 16:05.34 | Meizirkki2 | GMT +2 :p |
| 16:06.04 | Jaffa | is in the mood for some Valable hacking, but is at parents' unexpectedly |
| 16:06.13 | GAN800 | Servers are moving. :/ |
| 16:06.13 | Meizirkki2 | should i try go make x work? |
| 16:06.37 | johnx | I wonder why they didn't just plug in wireless cards and big UPS devices... |
| 16:07.14 | Jaffa | GAN800: hadn't that already happened? Or is this a physical move of the new h/w? |
| 16:07.25 | Meizirkki2 | Stskeeps: i'll install hildon an try if it works? |
| 16:07.43 | Jaffa | Doing things "out-of-hours" makes *least* sense when it's a hobbyist community, IMHO |
| 16:07.46 | nemo | Jaffa: p.m.o WFM |
| 16:08.17 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: get xserver working first, get xserver-xomap from deblet and look at /etc/default/x-server.defs |
| 16:08.27 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 16:08.38 | Stskeeps | and use the last part as parameters for X |
| 16:08.55 | Stskeeps | you may need to fb_update_mode manual |
| 16:09.06 | Stskeeps | and then see if you can get u-m running i guess |
| 16:09.51 | Meizirkki2 | u-m = ubuntu-mobile? |
| 16:09.55 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:09.58 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
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| 16:10.11 | Stskeeps | that itself is kinda a neat showoff :P |
| 16:10.18 | Meizirkki2 | yep |
| 16:10.29 | Meizirkki2 | it is gonna take some time with ky |
| 16:10.39 | Meizirkki2 | * my skills and my internet speed |
| 16:10.44 | Stskeeps | hehe. |
| 16:11.02 | Stskeeps | i had a open source project going when it was 57.6kbps and i was 15, stop complaining ;) |
| 16:11.41 | Meizirkki2 | i have 54kb/s and i am 14! :D |
| 16:11.57 | nemo | Stskeeps: hah. you kids and your fast modems |
| 16:11.58 | Meizirkki2 | so i WILL complain |
| 16:11.59 | Stskeeps | oh, now qwerty12 isn't the youngest anymore, neat |
| 16:12.07 | Meizirkki2 | hehe |
| 16:12.07 | Stskeeps | nemo: i -did- use a 14.4kbps in the beginning :P |
| 16:12.10 | nemo | we counted ourselves lucky if our BBS had 2400bps :D |
| 16:12.42 | Meizirkki2 | i should download everyhing at school, 9800kb/s |
| 16:12.42 | nemo | Stskeeps: I reiterate :-p |
| 16:12.48 | hahlobit | Stskeeps: were you involved linux 0.1 then :) |
| 16:12.57 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: i'm 24 now :P |
| 16:13.11 | hahlobit | oh |
| 16:13.26 | Stskeeps | so no, but i did try debian back in 95 or so |
| 16:14.05 | johnx | when you were 10?! |
| 16:14.14 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:14.22 | Stskeeps | i coded pascal somewhat sanely at 9, so |
| 16:14.25 | johnx | ahaha...I got into the game late |
| 16:14.29 | nemo | Stskeeps: hey! me too! |
| 16:14.33 | johnx | I could barely type until I was 13 |
| 16:14.34 | Stskeeps | and c64 basic at 6-7 |
| 16:14.38 | nemo | Stskeeps: my mom sent me to local community college to learn pascal :) |
| 16:14.46 | nemo | Stskeeps: it was *the language* back then |
| 16:14.51 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:14.55 | Stskeeps | was mostly self-taught |
| 16:14.56 | johnx | hey, at least it wasn't COBOL |
| 16:15.03 | GAN800 | Jaffa, servers are being moved to a new physical location. |
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| 16:15.03 | Stskeeps | my parents had a cobol book |
| 16:15.07 | Stskeeps | i read it for a while and then gave up |
| 16:15.16 | nemo | Stskeeps: but, I'm surprised you were still learning pascal at 9, it was already descendant at the time |
| 16:15.26 | GAN800 | I don't think there are any real upgrades going on, though. :\ |
| 16:15.38 | Stskeeps | nemo: poor family. old equipment, used polypascal and turbo pascal |
| 16:15.43 | Stskeeps | on a 80286 |
| 16:15.57 | Jaffa | GAN800: Ta for the info. BTW, seen the -devel thread about CLI apps in AM? |
| 16:16.09 | Stskeeps | so learnt how to use a computer to the fullest and appreciate the equipment that's working |
| 16:16.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:16.51 | nemo | Stskeeps: '86 personally (Turbo Pascal) |
| 16:16.54 | GAN800 | Jaffa, yeah, I may wade into that one when I'm back home |
| 16:17.22 | nemo | Stskeeps: I infer from you giving your age you learned TP in '95 |
| 16:17.38 | GAN800 | Jaffa, personally, I don't have an issue with commandline tools like wget, nano and ssh being in user/utilities |
| 16:17.49 | nemo | er. |
| 16:17.51 | nemo | '87 |
| 16:18.07 | Stskeeps | nemo: nah, this was tp 5-6-7 or something |
| 16:18.10 | nemo | and actually might have been '88 - if mom signs on, I'll ask her |
| 16:18.11 | Stskeeps | i was 3 years old in 84 |
| 16:18.14 | Stskeeps | er |
| 16:18.16 | Stskeeps | 87 |
| 16:18.19 | GAN800 | tz sort of muddied the discussion with more of his Red Pill nonsense. |
| 16:18.22 | zakkm | i was 1 year old in 1992 ;p |
| 16:18.24 | Meizirkki2 | I have been playing with linux almost my whole age because my family have used linux since it was 1998 |
| 16:18.40 | nemo | kiiiids! |
| 16:18.41 | nemo | ahhh |
| 16:18.49 | qwerty12 | zakkm, same :P |
| 16:18.50 | Jaffa | GAN800: True. They seem different to filesystems etc, though. Perhaps it's not CLI/non-CLI, but root/non-root? |
| 16:18.53 | nemo | kidding. I'm still a kid. yes. |
| 16:18.56 | Meizirkki2 | you hate kids? |
| 16:19.01 | Meizirkki2 | a |
| 16:19.03 | nemo | no. just feeling old :( |
| 16:19.05 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 16:19.13 | Meizirkki2 | :P |
| 16:19.14 | Jaffa | Ditto |
| 16:19.16 | nemo | but then, one of my coworkers is in his 60s |
| 16:19.22 | Stskeeps | i feel old when my nephew starts learning python & php |
| 16:19.26 | nemo | and he is as much a hacker as ever |
| 16:19.28 | zakkm | oh qwerty12: i saw you came out with the android release (kernel v2 or something), is it worth trying? |
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| 16:19.41 | GAN800 | Jaffa, that makes sense to me |
| 16:19.43 | Jaffa | was programming BBC BASIC when he was 8 in 1985 - so not /that/old now |
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| 16:19.54 | qwerty12 | zakkm, that's pretty old now. I haven't touched android in a long time |
| 16:19.58 | nemo | Jaffa: hey, I found some of my old basic programs from back then |
| 16:20.02 | zakkm | o. |
| 16:20.05 | nemo | Jaffa: they are pretty crappy - wanna laugh at 'em? :) |
| 16:20.13 | Jaffa | nemo: heh |
| 16:20.20 | GAN800 | Jaffa, I don't think Red Pill or SDK repos are at all relevant to the discussion. |
| 16:20.36 | Jaffa | GAN800: Agreed |
| 16:20.45 | Jaffa | goes to wake up the boy |
| 16:21.18 | nemo | Actually, I was still coding in qbasic at 13 *sigh* - I didn't learn proper languages 'till later |
| 16:21.22 | nemo | so you guys are all ahead of me |
| 16:21.28 | nemo | the pascal I never used outside the community college |
| 16:21.44 | Stskeeps | moved on to C from there |
| 16:21.49 | nemo | yep |
| 16:22.01 | Meizirkki2 | but i have never been good with coding... |
| 16:22.04 | johnx | I started TI-Basic at 14, then jumped into an intermediate class on C and miraculously didn't fail |
| 16:22.06 | nemo | C was a joy after pascal, frankly. Never understood what the instructor saw in pascal |
| 16:22.07 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: plenty of time to learn |
| 16:22.09 | nemo | annoying freakin' language |
| 16:22.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: i -think- my gtk is finishing up |
| 16:22.29 | zakkm | learned something called Turing, in beginner programming in grade 10. |
| 16:22.42 | johnx | I forgot to give make -j4 |
| 16:22.46 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:22.52 | Stskeeps | i didn't do that either |
| 16:22.58 | Stskeeps | did c64 basic, then poly/turbo pascal, c, then c++, then java at uni and now at python |
| 16:22.58 | johnx | which is fine, it's all happening on my desktop |
| 16:23.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:23.06 | Stskeeps | (of preferred languages) |
| 16:23.24 | nemo | Stskeeps: I think Javascript is ascendant in the interpreted languages :) |
| 16:23.31 | zakkm | Anyone know if a ipod touch screen protector will fit my nokia n800 perfectly? |
| 16:23.32 | nemo | but Python is definitely ahead of Ruby |
| 16:23.35 | Stskeeps | yeah, but python is just delicious :P |
| 16:23.48 | Stskeeps | it allows me to prototype what i want and do it in a manner that fits with my education |
| 16:23.49 | johnx | I always liked scheme, just never had a chance to use it |
| 16:23.52 | nemo | Stskeeps: I'm stick with Perl until python gets a set of libs as large as CPAN :-p |
| 16:24.05 | Meizirkki2 | where can i get libts0 for mojo? |
| 16:24.09 | nemo | oh. and I despise their use of whitespace |
| 16:24.21 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: it's in universe/multiverse |
| 16:24.28 | Stskeeps | just add the sources.list from the dist page |
| 16:24.31 | nemo | so, I suppose I'll have to write a shell script that autotransforms a more C-like python into standard |
| 16:24.34 | nemo | after writing it |
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| 16:24.47 | Meizirkki2 | thanks, i haven't updated my sources.list yet, so there is only main |
| 16:24.55 | GAN800 | zakkm, the iPhone screen is a half-inch smaller. . . . |
| 16:25.10 | Stskeeps | zakkm: get a boxwave one. i love them. |
| 16:25.25 | Stskeeps | which reminds me its soon time to replace or clean mine |
| 16:25.32 | GAN800 | I wish all of maemo.org worked as well as Bugzilla |
| 16:26.03 | zakkm | ah no, i have alot of uhh bootleg malls in my city ( Toronto, Canada) and they sell cheap ipod touch screen protectors |
| 16:26.05 | zakkm | for like $3-5 |
| 16:26.08 | zakkm | so i was just wondering :p |
| 16:26.24 | zakkm | Mine is so scratched up ( havent removed the one it came with, yet ) |
| 16:26.42 | nemo | you guys are so careless |
| 16:26.49 | nemo | my SO's iphone screen is still flawless |
| 16:26.56 | nemo | and I bought it for her 1½y ago |
| 16:27.00 | nemo | her battery still works great too |
| 16:27.06 | zakkm | nemo: i bought my nokia used - it came already scratched |
| 16:27.12 | johnx | your SO's battery? |
| 16:27.14 | nemo | oh. nokia |
| 16:27.19 | zakkm | n800 - $145. |
| 16:27.20 | nemo | johnx: heh |
| 16:27.24 | nemo | johnx: that too :-p |
| 16:27.32 | nemo | zakkm: thought you were talking about your ipod touch |
| 16:27.35 | zakkm | no |
| 16:27.36 | Stskeeps | nemo: she has it stored in the safe? :P |
| 16:27.42 | nemo | does the n800 have less hard of plastic? |
| 16:27.55 | nemo | Stskeeps: she takes it everywhere, she's just more careful :-p |
| 16:27.57 | zakkm | alot of places sell ipod touch screen protectors cheap.. so i was just wondering if i could buy that for my nokia |
| 16:28.03 | nemo | leaves it docked when at home to not stress battery |
| 16:28.33 | Stskeeps | johnx: woo, all done |
| 16:28.43 | johnx | nice. you beat me to it by a long shot |
| 16:28.58 | johnx | but my distcc env is at least setup |
| 16:29.00 | Stskeeps | hehe, well you had a computer temporarily dying too ;) |
| 16:29.18 | johnx | yeah, and the ensuing near heart attack O_o |
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| 16:31.49 | Meizirkki2 | okay, where can i get libhall? |
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| 16:32.33 | Meizirkki2 | xserver-xomap deps on it |
| 16:33.43 | johnx | probably from the deblet package repo |
| 16:33.58 | Meizirkki2 | it is not there |
| 16:34.09 | Meizirkki2 | trying to find it from debian repos next. |
| 16:34.20 | Stskeeps | libhal should be in ubuntu really |
| 16:34.38 | johnx | libhal1 maybe instead of libhall ? |
| 16:34.52 | Meizirkki2 | that might be it |
| 16:35.23 | Meizirkki2 | yep, thanks |
| 16:36.08 | zakkm | how goes the ubuntu on NIT? |
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| 16:36.15 | johnx | it goes, it goes :) |
| 16:36.16 | Meizirkki2 | great! |
| 16:36.45 | johnx | Stskeeps, what cross gcc are you using on your desktop? |
| 16:37.43 | Stskeeps | codesourcery |
| 16:37.51 | Stskeeps | gcc-4.3 something |
| 16:37.51 | johnx | 2008q3? |
| 16:37.55 | Stskeeps | think so |
| 16:38.07 | johnx | ok, I'm getting some slightly worrying messages from it |
| 16:38.13 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 16:38.17 | Stskeeps | the rdlo, stuff? |
| 16:38.26 | johnx | such as: arm-linux-gnu-gcc: unrecognized option '-pthread' |
| 16:38.34 | Stskeeps | odd |
| 16:38.41 | johnx | and alsom some fairly cryptic stuff about enum |
| 16:38.50 | Stskeeps | i do have a fairly odd distcc setup so |
| 16:39.50 | Stskeeps | uploads maemo-gtk packages |
| 16:40.54 | Stskeeps | i don't understand my connection - earlier i was scping to my uni with about 5mb/s |
| 16:41.00 | Stskeeps | scping back again, 150kb/s |
| 16:41.16 | zakkm | does kde4 kill the nokia's battery and cpu ? |
| 16:41.24 | Meizirkki2 | yes it does |
| 16:41.27 | johnx | Stskeeps, complain to the sys admin :D |
| 16:41.52 | zakkm | i love going through show your screenshots .. threads |
| 16:42.38 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw meiz's gallery? http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810# |
| 16:43.16 | Stskeeps | most of the last scrshots are very itneresting |
| 16:43.24 | Meizirkki2 | wow, i am getting some respect xD |
| 16:43.43 | Stskeeps | for a guy who claimed he never compiled a package, you're doing alright |
| 16:43.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:44.10 | johnx | yes, whatever you did, keep doing it :D |
| 16:44.10 | Meizirkki2 | i am just overblown betatester |
| 16:44.21 | johnx | everyone starts out that way |
| 16:44.22 | Meizirkki2 | :) |
| 16:44.40 | zakkm | Meizirkki2: hows lxde on the tablet? ( know it from my old desktop ) |
| 16:45.37 | Meizirkki2 | It is good |
| 16:46.21 | zakkm | my friend wants to use it for his future linux desktop (hes waiting for a new pc purchase) and i want to be able to show him it first |
| 16:46.37 | Meizirkki2 | i like Deblet with LXDE a lot. |
| 16:46.45 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 16:48.11 | Stskeeps | maemo gtk package on jaiku |
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| 16:49.58 | Stskeeps | hmm.. gtk20-l10n |
| 16:52.01 | Meizirkki2 | *STUPID GUESTION ALERT* |
| 16:52.05 | Meizirkki2 | What are these packages for? |
| 16:52.17 | Stskeeps | maemo gtk? |
| 16:52.31 | Meizirkki2 | YEP |
| 16:52.33 | johnx | Meizirkki, ah, they're the "maemo version" of gtk |
| 16:52.34 | Meizirkki2 | sorry |
| 16:52.39 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 16:52.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: any objections against using https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/l10n/gtk20-l10n_4.2.tar.gz for gtk20-l10n? |
| 16:52.51 | johnx | nokia makes slight changes to their version of gtk compared to ubuntu or debian |
| 16:52.59 | Stskeeps | seems to be the fremantle one (4.2 and all) |
| 16:53.19 | johnx | so a .tar.gz instead of a .deb? |
| 16:53.27 | Stskeeps | it's a source package |
| 16:53.35 | johnx | ah, well then no problem |
| 16:53.56 | johnx | I assumed we'd use most of the maemo-customized packages |
| 16:54.08 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:54.15 | Stskeeps | this one doesnt exist in normal gtk so |
| 16:54.20 | Meizirkki2 | what was that file i need to edit alter installing xserver-xomap? |
| 16:54.29 | Stskeeps | see /etc/default/x-server.defs |
| 16:54.35 | Meizirkki2 | thanks |
| 16:54.36 | johnx | so you're moving up to hildon? if so, I'll start cairo |
| 16:54.36 | Stskeeps | for the parameters to give to X |
| 16:54.51 | Stskeeps | alright, - gtk isn't terribly optimized though |
| 16:55.08 | Stskeeps | not sure which one gcc targeted |
| 16:55.19 | johnx | heh...actually that's kinda scary |
| 16:55.34 | Stskeeps | i'll recompile if it becomes an issue :P |
| 16:55.46 | johnx | the mojo gcc should target whatever sub arch it came from: armv5el or armv6el, etc |
| 16:55.53 | Stskeeps | yeah, but distcc |
| 16:55.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:55.56 | Meizirkki2 | i have to change something? everything looks good here... |
| 16:56.05 | johnx | but the code sourcery one probably targets armv4t |
| 16:56.05 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: well there's no script to actually start X |
| 16:56.14 | Stskeeps | so just X <the parameters from there> |
| 16:56.23 | Stskeeps | so something like X :1 -nolisten tcp -wr etc etc |
| 16:56.33 | johnx | but don't do that unless you have another way to get into the tablet, such as ssh or telnet :) |
| 16:56.49 | Stskeeps | oh, and do Xomap instead or X |
| 16:56.52 | Stskeeps | X may use the xorg driver which dies |
| 16:57.06 | Stskeeps | instead of |
| 16:57.40 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 16:58.23 | zakkm | wow lol |
| 17:00.29 | Meizirkki2 | is this good enough to work: Xomap :0 -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr -nolisten tcp |
| 17:00.44 | johnx | yeah, should work |
| 17:00.49 | zakkm | anyone know why theres a vertical "line" on left of "home" |
| 17:00.54 | zakkm | right*** |
| 17:00.59 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: for U-m you want :1 instead probably |
| 17:01.05 | zakkm | it doesnt go all the way down though |
| 17:01.14 | zakkm | 96 dpi? |
| 17:01.16 | zakkm | seems small :P |
| 17:01.21 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: you might have tslib calibration problems |
| 17:01.24 | zakkm | thought the nokia has 225 ? |
| 17:01.28 | Meizirkki2 | I can change start-hildon script to use :1 |
| 17:01.33 | Meizirkki2 | *:0 |
| 17:01.36 | johnx | zakkm, this line: is it a software thing or a hardware thing? |
| 17:01.36 | Stskeeps | true |
| 17:02.07 | zakkm | software |
| 17:02.10 | Meizirkki2 | i should remove -mouse tslib? |
| 17:02.29 | zakkm | nuvoclear2 theme |
| 17:02.33 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: does /etc/pointercal exist? |
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| 17:02.49 | Stskeeps | and /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare or something like that |
| 17:02.54 | zakkm | oh no its not theme specific |
| 17:03.05 | Meizirkki2 | no |
| 17:03.14 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:03.34 | Stskeeps | then remove -mouse tslib for now, you won't be able to use touchscreen but you can still see if anything comes up on scren :p |
| 17:03.50 | Meizirkki2 | x-server-prepare exists |
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| 17:03.52 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:03.56 | zakkm | what are you guys trying to attempt? |
| 17:04.06 | Stskeeps | run it, x-server-prepare start |
| 17:04.32 | Stskeeps | zakkm: well if wiki was up i could show you.. but we're trying to see what happens if we reconstruct maemo from bottom up |
| 17:05.02 | Meizirkki2 | i am now chrooted... |
| 17:05.05 | zakkm | your trying to "opensource" maemo? |
| 17:05.05 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:05.17 | Stskeeps | zakkm: not really.. proof of concept |
| 17:05.24 | zakkm | uh huh, at first? :P |
| 17:05.36 | Stskeeps | we're not from nokia :P |
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| 17:05.45 | zakkm | but i mean thats what your trying to do ? be able to "edit" it? |
| 17:06.11 | zakkm | be able to edit every little thing? |
| 17:06.11 | Meizirkki2 | shoult i add /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare to /etc/default/x-server.defs? |
| 17:06.18 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: no, it's a script that sets pointer calibrations for you :) |
| 17:06.24 | Stskeeps | (the first one) |
| 17:06.25 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 17:06.42 | johnx | zakkm, the goal is to integrate Nokia's maemo GUI into the ubuntu distribution |
| 17:06.43 | Meizirkki2 | BTW trying to boot now :) |
| 17:06.52 | Stskeeps | we're trying to see if it's plausible to make a OS like maemo that fits in 250m flash, but is as easy to port to as hildonizing an app |
| 17:07.02 | Stskeeps | instead of fighting with platform oddities |
| 17:07.09 | zakkm | use maemo on a desktop? isnt that what the sdk is for? |
| 17:07.21 | johnx | quite the opposite, in fact |
| 17:07.21 | Stskeeps | zakkm: this thing runs on tablet |
| 17:07.32 | zakkm | you want to boot ubuntu and use maemo ? |
| 17:07.44 | johnx | close enough :) |
| 17:07.48 | zakkm | use ubuntu with like maemo "DE" on the nokia ? |
| 17:08.03 | Stskeeps | we are trying to see if we can make a maemo OS with a ubuntu base system |
| 17:08.14 | Stskeeps | with some changes to make it more mobile friendly |
| 17:08.40 | zakkm | ah huh! changes :P |
| 17:08.43 | zakkm | you just said proof of concept |
| 17:08.47 | johnx | zakkm, exactly. and with maemo just being the "DE" we'd be able to swap in other DEs, such as lxde or kde, or windowmaker |
| 17:09.03 | zakkm | ah cool |
| 17:09.05 | zakkm | how's it coming? |
| 17:09.17 | Meizirkki2 | every time i chroot into ubuntu i have to flash bootmenu again to make linuxrc work :( |
| 17:09.26 | zakkm | why would you want to use windowmaker XD |
| 17:09.34 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: that's -really- weird O-o |
| 17:09.47 | Meizirkki2 | yep |
| 17:09.51 | Stskeeps | zakkm: no idea if you can view this, http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC |
| 17:09.55 | Meizirkki2 | now running fsck |
| 17:10.09 | johnx | zakkm, you probably don't want to get into a discussion with me about windowmaker. not that I'll be angry, just that it would be long and boring for you :) |
| 17:10.15 | GAN800 | Jaiku is horrible |
| 17:10.30 | Stskeeps | write something better |
| 17:10.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:10.42 | zakkm | im sorry but the only reason windowmaker exists is cause its built into xorg XD |
| 17:10.55 | johnx | zakkm, you're very confused :) |
| 17:11.18 | Jaffa | very *very* confused |
| 17:11.23 | qwerty12 | gets to hildonising transmission. *sigh* |
| 17:11.34 | zakkm | how: ? |
| 17:12.42 | johnx | well, windowmaker isn't "built in" to xorg, and the concept that a window manager can be built in doesn't make sense really |
| 17:12.50 | Jaffa | qwerty12: didn't someone already do that? |
| 17:13.07 | zakkm | i meant bundled |
| 17:13.07 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I hate having to follow it for updates. |
| 17:13.08 | zakkm | with it |
| 17:13.24 | johnx | zakkm, ok, that makes more sense, but it's not bundled with it |
| 17:13.24 | GAN800 | Jaffa, no |
| 17:13.29 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i have it on mauku on my tablet as a small tv |
| 17:13.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:13.38 | GAN800 | Jaffa, it's a half-assed job |
| 17:13.44 | zakkm | then how come everytime i install xorg, windowmaker seems to come with it? |
| 17:13.46 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, It's not hildonised :/. Pipeline adjusted the size of some gtk stuff to make it fix better. I took it, added an option to make it fullscreen and packaged it for extras. Seeing as now I'm the maintainer, I may as well try and improve it. |
| 17:14.05 | zakkm | theres not even a -nowindowmaker flag :P |
| 17:14.35 | qwerty12 | s/fix/fit |
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| 17:14.50 | Jaffa | qwerty12: ah, heh |
| 17:14.52 | johnx | zakkm, why not pop over here and do some reading? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System |
| 17:14.52 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i have it open on mauku as well :) |
| 17:15.31 | zakkm | i do know what X is |
| 17:16.14 | johnx | ah, just read your other message. windowmaker is totally unrelated to the x server project. It's just a window manager that satisfies the general requirement "window manager" of Xorg |
| 17:16.25 | zakkm | yes but it comes with it |
| 17:16.32 | johnx | no. it. doesn't. |
| 17:16.44 | Stskeeps | zakkm: it's a sideeffect of your packaging system |
| 17:16.46 | Meizirkki2 | Xomap does not start :( |
| 17:16.52 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: what error? |
| 17:17.24 | zakkm | everytime, no matter what distro.. i installed xorg on, windowmaker seems to come with it |
| 17:17.29 | Meizirkki2 | i don't know, there is only white dot in top corner |
| 17:17.37 | johnx | because it's the best window manager |
| 17:17.40 | zakkm | even in gentoo |
| 17:18.00 | qwerty12 | johnx, I'm in fear of choking myself here :P |
| 17:18.02 | johnx | the people who put your distro together *know* it's the best window manager and almost everyone will want it |
| 17:18.02 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: well Xomap doesn't start anything |
| 17:18.04 | Meizirkki2 | I get into rescue menu and tried to start console |
| 17:18.16 | Stskeeps | you need to start some app afterwards |
| 17:18.25 | johnx | qwerty12, ah, just join in. :) |
| 17:18.27 | zakkm | johnx: your a ratpoison fan arent you? |
| 17:18.41 | qwerty12 | johnx, :) |
| 17:18.43 | johnx | no, because that's a bad window manager |
| 17:18.47 | johnx | I like good window managers :) |
| 17:18.57 | ShadowJK_ | windowmaker doesn't come by default in fedora... |
| 17:19.02 | ShadowJK_ | nor in debian |
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| 17:19.19 | zakkm | its not a choice for login window's |
| 17:19.30 | zakkm | but i still say its there |
| 17:19.31 | qwerty12 | ratpoison looks worse than even twm |
| 17:19.37 | ShadowJK_ | zakkm, nope |
| 17:19.42 | Stskeeps | zakkm: the windowmanager conspiracy, eh |
| 17:19.59 | Meizirkki2 | Stskeeps: When i do not go into rescue menu display stays showing me linuxrc messages |
| 17:20.00 | zakkm | doesnt like anything thats not metacity or fluxbox ;p |
| 17:20.08 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: yeah, there's no splash |
| 17:20.09 | johnx | it turns out that people can say a lot of things that aren't true :) |
| 17:20.13 | lcuk | keeps pondering sliding xv rendering behind a windowmanager |
| 17:20.23 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: so console is only way to get some output and then run X later |
| 17:20.34 | Meizirkki2 | But Xomap is still running? |
| 17:20.43 | Stskeeps | Xomap isn't started automatically |
| 17:20.44 | Stskeeps | system is |
| 17:21.28 | Meizirkki2 | when i go to rescue menu and select console there is only white cursor in top corner |
| 17:21.47 | Meizirkki2 | so if i add something in rc.local it should start? |
| 17:21.55 | Stskeeps | you have usbnet? |
| 17:21.56 | Meizirkki2 | after xomap |
| 17:22.05 | Meizirkki2 | yes |
| 17:22.30 | Meizirkki2 | what kind of usb net? |
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| 17:22.41 | lcuk | jaffa, whats an AST |
| 17:22.46 | Stskeeps | as in able to telnet in from your machine ;) |
| 17:22.55 | Meizirkki2 | yes |
| 17:23.26 | Stskeeps | apt-get install x11-utils, boot with usbnet, telnet in, Xomap :1 -andsoon &, export DISPLAY=:0; xmessage hi |
| 17:23.32 | Stskeeps | and see if anything comes up |
| 17:23.40 | Meizirkki2 | ok |
| 17:24.19 | Jaffa | lcuk: Abstract Source Tree. In-memory model of all the classes, namespaces, methods, variable etc. |
| 17:24.31 | Stskeeps | johnx: why cairo btw? |
| 17:24.42 | Stskeeps | specific patches from nokia? |
| 17:24.47 | johnx | er, I thought it would be nokia optimized, but it's actually not |
| 17:24.55 | Jaffa | lcuk: Needed to do proper code complete and (ultimately) refactoring and in-IDE navigation |
| 17:24.56 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 17:25.02 | johnx | also, trying to find things that don't require gtk |
| 17:25.14 | johnx | suggestions welcome :) |
| 17:25.20 | lcuk | cool, the sort of thing you can use to get database code generation and dynamic object creation of use from |
| 17:25.34 | lcuk | nice jaffa, its things like this that come for free in vb :) |
| 17:25.47 | lcuk | has coded them up himself in the past as well |
| 17:26.36 | lcuk | i gather the vala compiler wont throw this kind of stuff out for you then |
| 17:26.44 | lcuk | vala --dump_obj_tree |
| 17:26.47 | lcuk | ;) |
| 17:26.57 | johnx | i wonder if sapwood is depending on any maemo specific parts of gtk |
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| 17:27.18 | qwerty12 | ~burn pkg-config |
| 17:27.18 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over pkg-config, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 17:27.40 | zs | hi, enyone knows what's wrong with maemo.org? |
| 17:27.41 | johnx | huh. pkg-config is usually the one I don't hate :) |
| 17:27.50 | lcuk | zs, yeah - its not working |
| 17:27.52 | johnx | zs, the servers are being moved |
| 17:28.19 | zs | ok thanks |
| 17:28.25 | qwerty12 | johnx, I hate it with a vengance :P. Time to go back to the old fashioned way and hardcode header paths :P |
| 17:28.30 | lcuk | physically moved as well, quim had to go in work on a sunday, pick up the 770 take it in his car to the new location.. |
| 17:28.52 | johnx | qwerty12, actually pkg-config in a makefile seems fairly sane compared to autoconf, etc |
| 17:29.35 | Jaffa | lcuk: libvala does expose one, but need to access that in Java, and also create appropriate indices for quick and efficient features people (I) want in an IDE |
| 17:30.35 | lcuk | im using an ide which does it differently without trying to build up a full mega list, it simply builds up a token tree of everything encountered (plus the stuff from pre-compiled library definitions) and then just offers those |
| 17:31.28 | lcuk | works for 99% and would probably be simpler to implement, at least in the short term |
| 17:31.36 | johnx | ok dbus should be a safe target |
| 17:33.13 | lcuk | had forgotten how pretty mandelbrot was |
| 17:34.12 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, im wondering what dbus things nokia did, seems like there's a bunch of patches that's definately not in upstream.. |
| 17:34.34 | johnx | and it doesn't depend on gtk, so I figure it's a good candidate |
| 17:34.59 | Jaffa | lcuk: similar to whatI've done already in Valable. Doesn't do the built-in library stuff, which is what I want to learn new APIs without having to Google. Once I do it for libs, it should work for everything as a side-effect (I think) |
| 17:35.37 | lcuk | are you creating this ide on the device or desktop? |
| 17:36.57 | zakkm | is rotation easily added to my nokia n800 ? |
| 17:37.32 | Jaffa | lcuk: Desktop; Eclipse plugin |
| 17:38.33 | GAN800 | outpo.st/rotate |
| 17:39.15 | lcuk | jaffa, Val(a)IDE says it supports a symbols browser, have you looked at how it gets it (its vala built isnt it?) |
| 17:39.58 | zakkm | should i do the kernel with rotation and 48MHz patch? |
| 17:39.59 | disco_stu | zakkm: rotation is very simple to install in Diablo |
| 17:40.21 | zakkm | http://outpo.st/rotate/rotation-support-n800.install <-- is a deb possible.. i dont have wifi atm ? |
| 17:40.33 | lcuk | 48mhz patch MAY cause your inserted mmc card to stop working |
| 17:40.40 | Stskeeps | libhildon1 depends on osso-sounds-ui |
| 17:40.41 | lcuk | (until you reflash back) |
| 17:40.42 | Stskeeps | wtf. |
| 17:40.46 | zakkm | i use 4gb SDHC? |
| 17:40.48 | Jaffa | lcuk: It uses ctags, which is part of what I already use. Started hacking on Valable as it was only Vala IDE I could get running ;-) |
| 17:41.03 | johnx | Stskeeps, is that circular? |
| 17:41.09 | lcuk | heh i know that feeling jaffa |
| 17:41.16 | zakkm | lcuk: i use a 4gb SDHC |
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| 17:41.29 | zakkm | stage 6 SDHC.. 22mb read.. 10mb write |
| 17:41.38 | lcuk | zakkm, dunno, mine failed, yours might work |
| 17:41.48 | zakkm | whats the patched xserver? |
| 17:41.54 | zakkm | on outpo.st/rotate |
| 17:41.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: removing from depends, not needed for libhildon build atleast |
| 17:42.01 | johnx | zakkm, it adds rotation support |
| 17:42.07 | zakkm | oh thats what i want |
| 17:42.08 | zakkm | :P |
| 17:42.15 | johnx | zakkm, you need the kernel too |
| 17:42.15 | zakkm | thats all i have to do is install that and i get rotation? |
| 17:42.18 | zakkm | oh |
| 17:42.18 | johnx | no |
| 17:42.25 | johnx | you need everything |
| 17:42.38 | johnx | you have a choice of kernels though |
| 17:42.50 | zakkm | describe fail ? |
| 17:43.00 | johnx | not be accessible |
| 17:43.03 | zakkm | does it break the SD? ( i boot from SD ) |
| 17:43.14 | zakkm | corrupt it ? or just maemo cant read it? |
| 17:43.24 | johnx | possibly corrupt the filesystem, yes |
| 17:43.30 | johnx | just use the normal kernel on that site |
| 17:43.40 | zakkm | ok |
| 17:44.21 | zakkm | if i boot from SD, is there a way to connect to pc without having to reboot in flash? |
| 17:44.36 | johnx | wifi or usb networking |
| 17:44.49 | zakkm | damn |
| 17:45.01 | zakkm | im on mac so usb networking doesnt work.. and dont have a wireless router |
| 17:45.52 | johnx | does your mac have a wireless card? |
| 17:45.58 | zakkm | no |
| 17:46.03 | johnx | really? |
| 17:46.04 | zakkm | hackintosh. |
| 17:46.09 | johnx | ahaha |
| 17:46.10 | johnx | I see |
| 17:46.28 | zakkm | 100% hackintosh, costed me $82 on a motherboard -.- |
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| 17:46.56 | johnx | good for you, but any other OS and you'd have working usb ethernet :) |
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| 17:47.13 | zakkm | yeah i was going to install windows in virtualbox, i was told it would work that way |
| 17:47.25 | zakkm | it works in linux? |
| 17:47.26 | Stskeeps | lo lbt |
| 17:47.33 | johnx | zakkm, yeah, really easy in linux |
| 17:47.34 | lbt | phew |
| 17:47.39 | Meizirkki2 | Stskeeps: as you said: xomap works! |
| 17:47.41 | zakkm | I install kernel, then xserver? |
| 17:47.52 | lbt | just upgraded from a 32bit CPU to 64 bit - new mobo etc |
| 17:48.02 | Meizirkki2 | now trying to get u-m working :P |
| 17:48.07 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: hehe, good luck |
| 17:48.10 | lbt | clean install, clone debian, reconnect all my ldap.... |
| 17:48.19 | lbt | and it looks like it's working |
| 17:48.25 | lbt | so "hello again" |
| 17:48.35 | johnx | lbt, 32bit OS or 64bit? |
| 17:48.49 | lbt | 64bit kernel, 32 bit OS (Debian) |
| 17:49.18 | johnx | good plan :) |
| 17:49.20 | lbt | I can live with a tiny performance hit for the ease-of use :) |
| 17:49.26 | zakkm | if i boot from SD, where should i put my files? |
| 17:49.41 | zakkm | should i chmod 777 /home ? |
| 17:49.46 | lbt | and I have a phenon x3 now - so VMs should be better |
| 17:49.46 | zakkm | and put in home directory? |
| 17:50.08 | zakkm | bought a E2180 pentinum .. the other day :P |
| 17:50.28 | johnx | sure, just put them in your /home/user/MyDocs |
| 17:50.35 | lbt | and during all this I've been upgrading my egroupware to 1.6 and getting caldav working.. and pulling the code for gpe-calendar |
| 17:51.21 | lbt | so of course my current gpe-cal went nuts and now shows a gazillion repeats of a todo task and essentially freezes nut |
| 17:52.00 | lcuk | lbt, what todo is it repeating? |
| 17:52.02 | zakkm | unable to install kernel-diablo-flasher. incompatible application package. |
| 17:52.13 | lcuk | "more cheese" |
| 17:52.13 | lbt | "buy Cheese!" |
| 17:52.16 | lcuk | :D |
| 17:52.29 | johnx | misses cheese :| |
| 17:52.41 | Stskeeps | japanese doesn't have cheese? :P |
| 17:52.53 | lbt | johnx: you need Shopper V2.2 with international shipping |
| 17:52.57 | johnx | not too popular, so it's expensive and ultrapasteurized |
| 17:53.09 | johnx | tastses funny :/ |
| 17:53.15 | Jaffa | Mmmm, cheese & bacon |
| 17:53.46 | lcuk | but what kind of cheese realistically goes with bacon? |
| 17:53.53 | johnx | cheddar |
| 17:54.08 | lbt | bacon, mushrooms and Kraft cheese slices |
| 17:54.22 | lcuk | i suppose the real answer is anything - bacon makes any meal nice |
| 17:54.42 | lcuk | "dull, bland pot roast? cover it with bacon" |
| 17:54.46 | Stskeeps | except youghurt |
| 17:55.02 | lcuk | baconnaise is almost yogurt |
| 17:55.52 | lcuk | mmmmmmmm http://www.baconnaise.com/ |
| 17:56.34 | lcuk | my god im hungry now, i was gonna have fish n chips tonight, but now im not so sure |
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| 17:57.18 | johnx | could go for some fish and chips at the nice little British pub downtown :) |
| 17:57.32 | lbt | OK - how do I kill this window thingy... |
| 17:57.45 | lbt | you know, the ones on the desktop |
| 17:57.59 | lbt | can't remember their name... |
| 17:58.10 | johnx | desktop applets? |
| 17:58.15 | lbt | applets |
| 17:58.25 | johnx | menu at the top, select applets |
| 17:58.28 | lbt | ah |
| 17:58.30 | lbt | yes |
| 17:58.38 | lbt | that assumes the tablet is responsive |
| 17:58.40 | lbt | :( |
| 17:58.44 | lbt | I have ssh though |
| 17:58.50 | lbt | but I have to be quick |
| 17:58.53 | johnx | ssh in and restart hildon desktop |
| 17:58.58 | lbt | it's at 99% cpu |
| 17:59.07 | lbt | done that |
| 17:59.13 | johnx | huh |
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| 17:59.24 | lbt | and the cpu is using the battery faster than the charger is putting it back |
| 17:59.31 | johnx | reboot it |
| 17:59.37 | johnx | reboot from a root shell |
| 17:59.44 | lbt | each time I login/reboot the hildon restarts the applet :( |
| 18:00.03 | lbt | and it goes to 100% cpu before I can disable the applet |
| 18:00.15 | johnx | rename the .so for the applet |
| 18:00.17 | lbt | ssh is still responsive - just not the gui |
| 18:00.17 | Stskeeps | it's in .osso somehwere probably |
| 18:00.52 | lbt | what dir? I'm afraid I've been away for too long... |
| 18:01.21 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.24 | Stskeeps | the conf for it |
| 18:01.45 | johnx | ~/.osso/hildon-desktop |
| 18:01.52 | johnx | grep for your troublesome applet there |
| 18:02.01 | johnx | or just apt-get remove it |
| 18:02.29 | Meizirkki | is this about ubuntu mobile? |
| 18:02.46 | johnx | nope, just normal os2008 :) |
| 18:02.53 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 18:03.03 | lbt | ees gone! |
| 18:03.17 | lbt | Thanks guys :) |
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| 18:04.17 | johnx | good deal |
| 18:04.50 | Stskeeps | re-runs libhildon compile for the third time after forgetting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
| 18:04.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:04.58 | zakkm | are you almost successful in maemo reconstruct? |
| 18:05.21 | Stskeeps | some successes but we're still far off |
| 18:05.51 | zakkm | any chance longer battery, faster speeds is part of this project? :P |
| 18:06.04 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps talked about new nobile-basic-flash last night, Is it impossible for me to compile the new one? That way we should have working ubuntu-mobile-desktop... |
| 18:06.35 | Meizirkki | *could |
| 18:06.42 | Meizirkki | (whatever) |
| 18:07.02 | Stskeeps | not impossible |
| 18:07.14 | Meizirkki | ookay |
| 18:07.17 | Stskeeps | just get adobe-flashplayer, then dpkg-buildpackage deblet-flashplayer |
| 18:07.55 | Meizirkki | What about the new one that is based on python and GTK |
| 18:10.14 | Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ |
| 18:10.17 | RST38h | moos |
| 18:10.17 | Stskeeps | er |
| 18:10.20 | Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ |
| 18:10.34 | RST38h | Somebody is already running Ubuntu Mobile on the N8x0? |
| 18:10.52 | Stskeeps | RST38h: Meiz had it in a chroot |
| 18:11.01 | Stskeeps | but not 100% working |
| 18:11.54 | RST38h | ! |
| 18:12.18 | Stskeeps | http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810# |
| 18:12.20 | Meizirkki | there is no mobile-basic-flash on that page... |
| 18:12.30 | Meizirkki | *the launchpad page |
| 18:12.38 | Stskeeps | yeah, cos they stopped using it :P |
| 18:13.04 | Meizirkki | It is kourou |
| 18:13.20 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:13.24 | Meizirkki | is it? |
| 18:13.27 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 18:13.29 | Stskeeps | and you need a new hildon-desktop for that too |
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| 18:14.30 | zakkm | so much work :P |
| 18:14.56 | Meizirkki | kourou source is only 16 kb! |
| 18:15.12 | Stskeeps | python, yeah |
| 18:15.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:16.42 | Meizirkki | so, what do i need, if i want to compile it with my ubuntu box (interpid) |
| 18:16.43 | johnx | well, it's python. you don't need to compile it :) |
| 18:16.43 | Meizirkki | Is it best to compile on tablet? |
| 18:16.45 | zakkm | slower :P |
| 18:16.49 | Meizirkki | when it is so small |
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| 18:17.51 | johnx | at this point compiling on your desktop will probably be somewhat difficult |
| 18:18.04 | Meizirkki | yep, i have tried |
| 18:18.09 | johnx | so yes, might as well try on your tablet |
| 18:19.48 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM ........ "crap.." |
| 18:20.05 | johnx | ahaha |
| 18:20.28 | johnx | yeah, servers on the moooove |
| 18:20.59 | lbt | ah - that's OK then... |
| 18:21.17 | lbt | goes back to checking out his new toys... |
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| 18:23.42 | Meizirkki | will kourou have depency problems if i try to install it in hasty |
| 18:23.57 | johnx | probably a couple |
| 18:24.04 | Meizirkki | **** |
| 18:24.19 | johnx | you'll likely need to get some packages from intrepid, compile from source, rinse, repeat |
| 18:24.25 | johnx | but after that it should be ok |
| 18:24.39 | johnx | I tried this before and it didn't work, but things might have changed since then |
| 18:24.45 | Meizirkki | maybe i should leave u-m alone until mojo releases their version of interpid :( |
| 18:25.16 | johnx | well, that's what I decided, but you should give it a shot if you want to |
| 18:25.44 | Meizirkki | i'll wait, i have played enough with u-m |
| 18:26.06 | Meizirkki | but hildon-desktop should be usable anyway |
| 18:26.40 | Stskeeps | libhildon up |
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| 18:27.09 | johnx | dbus compiling :) |
| 18:28.16 | Meizirkki | okay, i will try kourou, but if it has lot of depency problems i'll leavy it for now |
| 18:28.36 | Meizirkki | *leave |
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| 18:29.32 | Stskeeps | uhoh. |
| 18:29.40 | Stskeeps | ponders if he just maimed his maemo |
| 18:29.48 | johnx | eep |
| 18:30.06 | Stskeeps | or got cool fremantle features.. |
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| 18:30.14 | Stskeeps | i'll go for maimed |
| 18:30.26 | johnx | what happened? |
| 18:30.36 | johnx | which one did you pull from the wrong place? |
| 18:31.06 | Stskeeps | think it just overwrote the l10ns and the -common package of gtk |
| 18:31.31 | Stskeeps | if arm was armel it would be a lot worse ;) |
| 18:32.00 | Stskeeps | ok, can't be that bad |
| 18:32.07 | Stskeeps | locales and themes maemo doesnt use |
| 18:32.19 | tekojo | Hi all, maemo.org is back online. |
| 18:32.25 | Stskeeps | wee |
| 18:33.01 | Stskeeps | lbt, saw http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed btw? that's what we're trying to work on atm |
| 18:33.10 | Stskeeps | (a proof of concept of it |
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| 18:38.40 | tekojo | Stskeeps: sounds like it, but shouldn't you know better |
| 18:39.03 | tekojo | Stskeeps: you're the one working on it :_) |
| 18:39.21 | lbt | Stskeeps: it's on one of my 'permanently open' tabs... |
| 18:40.15 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 18:43.51 | Stskeeps | ponders what to have for dinner |
| 18:45.13 | johnx | uhm, so where should I drop packages again? I've been putting them in public_html/packages |
| 18:45.32 | Stskeeps | just drop them there and we'll put them in a repo eventually |
| 18:45.38 | zakkm | Stskeeps: Junk food always works well :) |
| 18:46.09 | Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah but after a week of it you get tired of it.. |
| 18:46.28 | qwerty12_N800 | agrees with zakkm with a bag of chips from the local takeaway in me hand :p |
| 18:46.48 | zakkm | qwerty12: what chips? |
| 18:47.14 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, large fries |
| 18:47.22 | zakkm | oh |
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| 18:50.17 | lcuk | oooer Jaffa - you are the second person to follow me on twitter! but ive not made a single tweet there |
| 18:52.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: best way to check packages is doing a file on the binaries |
| 18:52.11 | Stskeeps | i've had my distcc make x86 binaries for me at some poine :P |
| 18:52.15 | johnx | O_o |
| 18:52.28 | johnx | I know it's not doing that, because I have a native ARM machine involved too |
| 18:52.33 | Stskeeps | but then again the package building didn't finish |
| 18:52.34 | Stskeeps | true |
| 18:52.53 | johnx | anyways, I just ran the binary :) |
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| 18:53.13 | Stskeeps | and we discover the secret x86 mode of arm chips.. |
| 18:53.14 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 18:53.36 | johnx | well the pxa270 *was* an intel chip :) |
| 18:53.42 | johnx | and it certainly runs hot enough |
| 18:54.09 | Meizirkki | to get kourou working, i should compile python-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader |
| 18:54.30 | Stskeeps | okay, for some strange reason after adding maemo gtk and libhildon, we're now at 113mb flash |
| 18:54.41 | Stskeeps | compared to 123 before |
| 18:54.44 | johnx | huh |
| 18:54.53 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 18:54.59 | johnx | did you possibly replace an installed gtk with maemo gtk? |
| 18:55.06 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 18:55.23 | johnx | well, I guess Nokia *was* doing something right after all :D |
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| 18:56.28 | Stskeeps | i guess so too |
| 18:57.14 | lcuk | bangs his head against a wall |
| 18:57.31 | Stskeeps | no bacon in the fridge, lcuk? |
| 18:57.32 | GAN800 | pads lcuk's wall. |
| 18:58.07 | lcuk | heh, had fish n chips, but its a horrible miserable rainy sunday night |
| 18:58.40 | lcuk | i dont normally get bored, but i feel so meh! tonight |
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| 19:07.12 | johnx | dbus-glib is building. getting some sleep for now |
| 19:07.43 | Stskeeps | gnite |
| 19:09.26 | johnx | 'night :) |
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| 19:18.20 | Jaffa | lcuk: heh |
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| 19:21.51 | lcuk | jaffa, i even managed to create a bog standard mandelbrot browser for my tablet (something ive wanted to do forever) but i cant get excited |
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| 19:25.46 | Stskeeps | mm, i usualy go stale in my excitement once the "cool new thing" factor wears off as well |
| 19:27.10 | lcuk | Stskeeps, its just tonight though, normally im enthusiastic about lots of things |
| 19:27.34 | lcuk | i *do* have lots of things i want to do, but no energy or motivation tonight |
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| 19:30.10 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:39.03 | Meizirkki | Now, i am debootstrapping again |
| 19:39.23 | Meizirkki | this time i want to keep it small and clean |
| 19:39.40 | Meizirkki | now i am not trying to install anything unneeded |
| 19:39.57 | Meizirkki | but still want to use armv6 |
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| 19:41.06 | Stskeeps | alright |
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| 20:12.53 | lcuk | has anyone ever written a spreadsheet viewer before? |
| 20:15.04 | GAN800 | Yes |
| 20:18.00 | lcuk | GAN800, have you ? :D which format did you read? o |
| 20:18.01 | lcuk | -o |
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| 20:32.38 | RST38h | lcuk: Use csv |
| 20:32.57 | RST38h | You really do not want to read Excel formats |
| 20:33.26 | lcuk | heh RST38h, im just curious really, not about a specific format (its not even for a spreadsheet) im interested in the cell based lookups and specific backend optimizations for such |
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| 20:33.40 | RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/watching-them-squirm-fox-news-abandons-the-mob-it-created |
| 20:33.55 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 20:34.20 | lcuk | ie, is it enough to have a database and for each cell as rendered do a lookup for items in the area, or do you need specific optimizations |
| 20:34.28 | RST38h | lcuk: Could you explain (for the idiot in me) what exactly you want to do? |
| 20:34.32 | lcuk | i suppose ill look into maptile algorithms |
| 20:34.40 | RST38h | Ok, I see |
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| 20:35.18 | RST38h | The data type you are dealing with is known as a sparse array (see Google) |
| 20:35.45 | lcuk | :) thanks rst |
| 20:35.48 | RST38h | When rendering it, you basically want to get all elements in a rectangular range corresponding to the displayed area |
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| 20:36.19 | RST38h | If I were doing it, I would probably use some kind of a tree, a quadtree most likely |
| 20:36.21 | lcuk | yeah - i do that for other projects |
| 20:36.30 | lcuk | but the granuality is a bit lower for what im trying to do |
| 20:36.43 | lcuk | loading and preparing that will be a killer time wise |
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| 20:36.50 | RST38h | The quadtree will handle the granularoity just fine |
| 20:37.44 | RST38h | "My friend, wait until 11 or 12 Eastern time before drawing any conclusions, by then you will see the Palin landslide!!" (on mushrooms, no doubt) |
| 20:38.24 | RST38h | lcuk: Take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R*_tree |
| 20:38.55 | RST38h | R*Trees are somewhat of black magic (i.e. no optimal algorithms for building them exist to my knowledge( but they will do the job |
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| 20:40.55 | lcuk | yeah, ill just read from database as im used to, but i might keep granuality at a week level |
| 20:40.59 | lcuk | instead of the planned day |
| 20:46.47 | lcuk | RST38h, is a 14mb video too much, ill show you what i want it for |
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| 20:58.38 | blackdeath | hello |
| 20:59.12 | blackdeath | has anyone been able to port any bluetooth hacking tools for the n810? |
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| 21:05.40 | Meizirkki-n810 | what is depmod? |
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| 21:06.46 | citylights | hello |
| 21:07.33 | RST38h | lcuk: it will take a while to transfer 14mb |
| 21:07.39 | qwerty12_N800 | generates a modules.dep so modprobe <module> can be used instead of insmoding repeatdly a module & it's dependencices |
| 21:07.44 | RST38h | lcuk: so, just tell in plain old fashioned english =) |
| 21:09.20 | citylights | how to fix this: i cant change the programs order in th application men |
| 21:09.24 | citylights | gue |
| 21:09.45 | citylights | guess .desktop is lost |
| 21:13.14 | citylights | can i generate this to fix |
| 21:13.49 | citylights | .. good my gf is asleep |
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| 21:50.13 | Stskeeps | hm, is https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/email/osso-email/trunk/?root=maemo the chinook mail app? |
| 21:50.21 | Stskeeps | who's forward porting it? :P |
| 21:51.16 | GAN800 | Nobody? |
| 21:51.21 | Stskeeps | aw :P |
| 21:51.24 | Stskeeps | liked the old one better |
| 21:51.55 | GAN800 | File bugs and/or patch Modest. |
| 21:51.58 | Proteous | me took the old one out behind the barn and shot it |
| 21:52.22 | GAN800 | You mean "I". :P |
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| 21:55.49 | Navi | or /me |
| 21:56.46 | citylights | 8 |
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| 22:20.03 | Anon6022 | :dito: |
| 22:20.07 | Anon6022 | :inca: |
| 22:20.14 | Anon6022 | :ciao::( |
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| 22:20.27 | Stskeeps | aand that was a drive by wtf |
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| 22:20.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:21.33 | `0660 | :) |
| 22:21.53 | lopz | #openwrt |
| 22:22.41 | lopz | hola |
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| 22:55.25 | lardman | evening |
| 22:55.36 | lardman | who's clobbered this page? http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM |
| 22:56.25 | Jaffa | Broken cos of the server move? |
| 22:56.42 | Jaffa | Ah. Perhaps not. |
| 22:57.32 | lcuk | i was the last to modify it on 2nd nov |
| 22:57.43 | lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task:PIM&oldid=8389 is apparently the latest version |
| 22:57.44 | lcuk | (diff) (hist) . . Task:PIMâ; 19:47 . . (-33) . . lcuk (Talk | contribs) (âGeneral/shared features: ) |
| 22:57.45 | lardman | strange |
| 22:57.56 | lcuk | but all modifications are showing like this |
| 22:58.01 | lcuk | its just that page as well |
| 22:58.12 | lcuk | i wasnt aware there was a way to remove a template from a page |
| 22:58.23 | lardman | yeah, I was wondering about that |
| 22:58.24 | lcuk | perhaps this is a slip from outside our control |
| 22:58.49 | proto | yo people |
| 22:58.50 | lardman | well let's just blame lcuk as he did the last edit hey? ;) |
| 22:58.53 | lcuk | someone looking in the database from the backend and screwed something up and this is the wiki software failure mode |
| 22:58.58 | lcuk | "this error should not be seen" |
| 22:59.42 | lcuk | hey - you really think i would admit i was last editor if i'd goosed it :P ( i looked here btw http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=500 ) |
| 22:59.54 | lcuk | its right at the bottom |
| 23:00.19 | lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task:PIM&action=history |
| 23:01.38 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task:PIM&curid=1310&diff=8389&oldid=8388 |
| 23:01.49 | lcuk | diffs are showing |
| 23:02.11 | lcuk | it feels like this is the wikisoftare complaining about a missing node? |
| 23:02.18 | lardman | yea |
| 23:02.28 | lcuk | do we have the source? |
| 23:02.34 | lcuk | is this midgard? |
| 23:02.42 | lardman | pass |
| 23:04.11 | lcuk | ahhh, its MediaWiki 1.12.0 |
| 23:04.22 | lcuk | 2008-10-02: 1.13.2, 1.12.1 released ;) |
| 23:04.55 | lcuk | oooer, that was for a security update as well |
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| 23:23.06 | GAN800 | smokey from Tremulous? |
| 23:31.50 | lardman | GAN800: you see the stuff earlier about the PIM page? Any thoughts? |
| 23:55.07 | GAN800 | lardman, where? |
| 23:55.24 | lardman | exactly an hour ago |
| 23:55.58 | GAN800 | where != when. :P |
| 23:56.35 | lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM |
| 23:56.42 | lardman | sorry, thought you meant where in the logs |
| 23:57.08 | GAN800 | An hour ago here in IRC? |
| 23:57.34 | lardman | yes, I asked why its sole contents are now "crap..." |
| 23:57.49 | GAN800 | They're not |
| 23:57.56 | GAN800 | That's Squid crapping out |
| 23:58.05 | GAN800 | Works ok now |
| 23:58.29 | lardman | ah ok, still crap for me ;) |
| 23:59.08 | lardman | not the most useful of error messages I've got to say |
