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| 00:21.54 | lcuk | oh ballsack! |
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| 00:22.18 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you know before when i said it took 3 minutes to build |
| 00:25.23 | ryoohki | anyone have video skype working on the n810 wimax? |
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| 00:26.48 | ryoohki | in fact, it works without effort on my n800 and here's a video of it working on a n810 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8XExv3goeAIc |
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| 00:36.45 | bef0rd | invalid url ryoohki |
| 00:38.35 | andre___ | remove the c at the end and it works |
| 00:40.36 | bef0rd | I see, but that's not skype video, that's the built in chat client |
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| 01:07.53 | Mousey | discovers a new lcars theme (okuda), decides it's time to switch back to LCARS for a while |
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| 01:21.24 | lcuk | i use slashdot as my blog, can i get it linked somehow to come onto planet? |
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| 01:36.48 | Mousey | is reflexively underwhelmed |
| 01:45.38 | GAN800 | lcuk, the /. journal? |
| 01:45.46 | GAN800 | If it has an rss feed. |
| 01:46.25 | lcuk | i dunno lol |
| 01:46.37 | lcuk | ive never configured or needed one |
| 01:46.56 | lcuk | but i have posted a few things there, it seems where i am most comfortable |
| 01:47.12 | lcuk | things get lost in the forum |
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| 01:53.52 | lcuk | GAN800, right, now what |
| 01:53.55 | lcuk | i have rss |
| 01:54.03 | lcuk | feels like a ninja for some reason |
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| 01:59.52 | GAN800 | lcuk, submit it to planet. |
| 01:59.59 | GAN800 | There's a link somewhere |
| 02:00.10 | GAN800 | or poke X-Fade about it. |
| 02:00.25 | lcuk | ive just submitted my mail in application |
| 02:01.17 | lcuk | X-Fade, wakey wakey, sent a mail to planet at maemo, ive got an rss feed to my slashdot journal ( http://slashdot.org/~liquidcoooled/journal/rss ) |
| 02:01.27 | lcuk | please add it to planet :$ |
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| 02:39.48 | johnx | rm_you, hey :D |
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| 03:05.18 | zakkm | Anyone know why i get continuous Call disconnected, while trying to internet call a friend? |
| 03:05.23 | zakkm | latest Diablo. |
| 03:05.26 | zakkm | N800 |
| 03:06.09 | tulkastaldo | nope... |
| 03:09.00 | l7 | has anyone else noticed that mplayer doesn't seek through ogg video properly? |
| 03:09.26 | l7 | mp4 works fine though |
| 03:09.47 | derf | Seeking in Ogg in mplayer is completely broken. |
| 03:09.54 | derf | They don't accept patches. |
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| 03:11.54 | l7 | oh that's too bad. have you noticed issues with youtube flvs too? |
| 03:12.27 | l7 | they play fine, but also seek badly |
| 03:12.46 | derf | No. I volunteer for Xiph.Org. |
| 03:12.56 | derf | I don't care about patent-encumbered formats. |
| 03:13.16 | johnx | I think the version of mplayer for the NITs might not support seeking in FLVs. I thought I heard it was fixed in the latest upstream version, but don't quote me :) |
| 03:14.43 | derf | Really, if you told me "X is broken in mplayer", I would not doubt you, for any value of X. |
| 03:15.18 | l7 | so it's j |
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| 03:15.49 | l7 | ust full of bugs i take it |
| 03:16.13 | derf | For your own sanity, I would suggest never looking at the code. |
| 03:16.36 | johnx | I have heard that before :) |
| 03:16.45 | l7 | why's |
| 03:16.48 | derf | I've looked at the code. I won't make that mistake again. |
| 03:16.53 | l7 | it so bad? |
| 03:17.04 | johnx | the only problem is it's just about the best working video player on ARM :/ |
| 03:17.21 | l7 | yup |
| 03:19.16 | l7 | osso media works well at times, not so well at others |
| 03:22.15 | l7 | i wonder which one is more energy effiient during playback though |
| 03:23.47 | GAN800 | This hard drive has been dying for a year now. |
| 03:24.20 | GAN800 | I should probably replace it before PATA drives under 120GB start getting expensive. |
| 03:28.16 | l7 | how can you tell it's dying? |
| 03:29.35 | l7 | also why do you want such a small drive? is it for a tivo? |
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| 03:31.57 | zakkm | isnt vlc better for playback than mplayer? cpu-wise ? |
| 03:33.05 | l7 | i havent seen a maemo version |
| 03:33.35 | zakkm | i saw a port on the forum |
| 03:33.38 | zakkm | like last week |
| 03:34.30 | l7 | oh cool |
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| 03:35.33 | l7 | i'm still picking gradually through the exxtras repo |
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| 03:55.37 | bradd | Hi, does anyone develop in scratchbox using Xephyr on a remote host? Any tips on setting this up? |
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| 03:59.09 | GAN800 | l7, file randomly disappear, stuff gies read-only, SMART status is "FAILING". ;) |
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| 04:10.07 | GAN800 | lol, the wiki just says 'crap..' |
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| 08:17.10 | jagernot | hello i am using the raw mode to read touchscreen data. can somebody tell me the mapping of x,y from raw data to 800/480 of touchscreen? |
| 08:29.25 | GNUton | jagernot: Why you are not using XInput instead? |
| 08:32.33 | jagernot | hi GNU can i get pressure info there? |
| 08:34.27 | GNUton | jagernot: of course |
| 08:36.48 | jagernot | cool i was using xsp code on the wiki and playing with it |
| 08:36.59 | jagernot | do you know of any example code ..im new to X programming. |
| 08:38.41 | GNUton | jagernot: apt-get souce XInput |
| 08:39.23 | GNUton | I think that it's a good example application |
| 08:39.35 | GNUton | It's quite easy to understand. |
| 08:39.57 | GNUton | jagernot: are you using Qt or GTK? |
| 08:40.33 | GNUton | both are able to get those kind of information without using so low level API |
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| 08:41.06 | jagernot | actually i started out with a console application...im trying to do a synth.. |
| 08:41.14 | jagernot | got a tone going |
| 08:41.20 | jagernot | with esd |
| 08:41.31 | jagernot | now i want to control volume with pressure |
| 08:41.50 | jagernot | so i used that example on the wiki to read pressure info |
| 08:41.57 | johnx | I know maemopad+ reads pressure data |
| 08:42.00 | GNUton | It's quite old |
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| 08:42.54 | jagernot | i found this example here: |
| 08:42.55 | jagernot | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/examples/scribble-xinput/scribble-xinput.c |
| 08:43.02 | jagernot | maybe suitable..what do u think? |
| 08:43.04 | jagernot | thanks |
| 08:43.39 | Stskeeps | stretches |
| 08:44.01 | GNUton | jagernot: anyway I suggest to you to compile XInput for armel in order to understand how it works. |
| 08:44.53 | GNUton | jagernot: you can test everything with that application and it print the value (coordinates and pressure value) on the screen |
| 08:44.54 | jagernot | is it possible to read pressure info in gtk? |
| 08:45.02 | GNUton | jagernot: of cource |
| 08:45.10 | GNUton | course |
| 08:45.35 | jagernot | hmm can you please take a look at that scribble-xinput example and let me know if that is the way |
| 08:48.59 | GNUton | jagernot: in that code this is the line that get the pressure data gdk_event_get_axis ((GdkEvent *)event, GDK_AXIS_PRESSURE, &pressure); |
| 08:49.02 | GNUton | :D |
| 08:49.19 | jagernot | yes it is and it compiles and works woo hoo |
| 08:49.29 | GNUton | That's great! |
| 08:49.38 | jagernot | thanks for your help |
| 08:49.44 | jagernot | back to work now! |
| 08:49.49 | GNUton | have a fun! |
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| 09:02.55 | Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 |
| 09:03.31 | qwerty12 | hey Stskeeps |
| 09:04.16 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-X.png <- woo :P though seems like xorg omapfb driver doesn't work on the emulator just yet, just good old Xomap |
| 09:04.38 | Stskeeps | (i know it says debian armel but that's just the hostname. it's a ubuntu base jffs2 image booting in qemu-n800) |
| 09:05.09 | qwerty12 | Haha, brilliant :). How much space is it currently taking? |
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| 09:05.18 | Stskeeps | that's with X, 67m flash |
| 09:05.24 | Stskeeps | and a lot of libraries |
| 09:05.34 | qwerty12 | Very impressive :) |
| 09:05.45 | Stskeeps | we'll see.. still need to prod a hildon desktop on top |
| 09:05.56 | Stskeeps | johnx's compiling maemo gtk which would be first step |
| 09:06.47 | johnx | yeah, taking another stab at it :) |
| 09:07.26 | Stskeeps | i guess the goal / attempt will be trying to take applications that are notoriously difficult to get working on Maemo, and show how easy it works with this one ;) |
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| 09:07.38 | Stskeeps | working/compiling/slammed into existance |
| 09:08.08 | johnx | and taking apps that work well in maemo and *hopefully* just tweaking some packaging details to make them work here |
| 09:08.13 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:09.08 | Stskeeps | and ofcourse showing there's practically no difference in boot time and such |
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| 09:15.13 | Stskeeps | but we'll see at what point we get there |
| 09:16.42 | hahlobit | helo, can i copy rootfs to memory card and boot from there? |
| 09:17.16 | johnx | ~boot-from-sd |
| 09:17.26 | hahlobit | yes |
| 09:17.38 | johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 09:17.50 | johnx | infobot, boot-from-sd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 09:17.50 | infobot | okay, johnx |
| 09:18.02 | johnx | ah, umh |
| 09:18.07 | johnx | hmm, hang on a sec |
| 09:18.34 | hahlobit | thanks this flash chipdisk seems so small |
| 09:18.36 | johnx | something up with the wiki or did I just pick the wrong link? |
| 09:19.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: blank page syndrome? |
| 09:19.12 | johnx | it seems that way, but it's not too bad if you don't install every app available |
| 09:19.20 | johnx | the page said "crap..." on it |
| 09:19.22 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 09:19.24 | johnx | I kid you not |
| 09:19.41 | Stskeeps | without layout? |
| 09:20.01 | Stskeeps | i had blank white page syndrome earlier, which proves it's 770s running maemo.org |
| 09:20.05 | johnx | yeah, just the word "crap.." |
| 09:20.15 | Stskeeps | but yeah, now i get the word "crap.." too |
| 09:20.31 | johnx | I used to run a wiki on an old zaurus, much more reliable than this but it was also a little smaller... |
| 09:21.01 | hahlobit | can i use as big sdcard i can buy? any size limit like symbian has |
| 09:21.09 | johnx | no size limit |
| 09:21.20 | johnx | anything that physically fits is fair game |
| 09:21.20 | hahlobit | good |
| 09:22.51 | johnx | in the mean time while the wiki gets fixed, there's a google cache here: http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:YvxvI73-5zgJ:wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card+boot+from+memory+card+site:wiki.maemo.org&hl=en&client=firefox-a&strip=1 |
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| 09:26.26 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: 770, n800 or n810? |
| 09:35.10 | Stskeeps | builds fifth jffs2 image.. |
| 09:36.18 | Stskeeps | qemu n800 really needs a simple network card or something like on versatilepb |
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| 09:37.03 | johnx | virtual wireless isn't working? |
| 09:37.12 | Stskeeps | there's virtual wireless? :P |
| 09:37.21 | johnx | i dunno. I just liked the idea |
| 09:37.24 | Stskeeps | that's kinda frightening but cool |
| 09:37.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:37.41 | johnx | I should have added a <sarcastic> at the beginning |
| 09:38.04 | Stskeeps | i actually think hrw worked on something alike that |
| 09:40.12 | Stskeeps | i mean, when he emulates menelaus and such, there is probably other wacky things :P |
| 09:48.12 | Stskeeps | ah. usb ethernet |
| 09:48.14 | Stskeeps | ofcourse. |
| 09:54.02 | Stskeeps | notes docpurge isn't that clever |
| 09:54.23 | Stskeeps | dpkg-divert acts horridly when docpurge is in place |
| 10:01.00 | hahlobit | Stskeeps: n800 |
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| 10:02.05 | Stskeeps | hahlobit: k |
| 10:02.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=240294&postcount=45 ? |
| 10:04.14 | johnx | hmmm |
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| 10:06.44 | Stskeeps | i think that's vnc into a chroot though |
| 10:07.33 | johnx | I tried to piece it together once with chunks of ibex source compiled on hasty |
| 10:07.42 | johnx | didn't quite get as far as him though |
| 10:08.13 | Stskeeps | decent for a guy who claimed he never compiled something before |
| 10:08.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:09.34 | johnx | ahaha |
| 10:09.40 | johnx | I must be losing it these days |
| 10:10.05 | Stskeeps | i question my own sanity at times |
| 10:10.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:11.27 | aspiers | hi all, anyone know how to use maemo-pan? |
| 10:12.06 | hahlobit | i copied my mmc cards to pc before i do partitions and noticed that mmc2 was last used 1.1.1970 wonder why system wrote epoch time there.. |
| 10:12.35 | johnx | maybe because noatime was enabled all the time |
| 10:12.36 | aspiers | I have it installed and have paired with my desktop, but nothing obvious has changed in either the connection manager or the phone control module |
| 10:14.06 | hahlobit | ah ok. |
| 10:15.19 | Stskeeps | mm. my dorm gateway is getting beat heavily. 350ms latency |
| 10:15.45 | Stskeeps | sighs and hates laggy mp3s |
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| 10:23.26 | hahlobit | something makes sd card busy, umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy |
| 10:24.11 | johnx | grab a copy of lsof and try running it |
| 10:24.41 | hahlobit | ok |
| 10:25.10 | Stskeeps | or there was another one.. fuser -m /media/mmc2 |
| 10:25.44 | johnx | or another one: ls -l /proc/*/fd/ | less |
| 10:25.50 | johnx | then search in less for mmc2 |
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| 10:33.29 | Stskeeps | "It turns out the bug in Android I wrote about yesterday was worse than we thought. When the phone booted it started up a command shell as root and sent every keystroke you ever typed on the keyboard from then on to that shell. Thus every word you typed, in addition to going to the foreground application would be silently and invisibly interpreted as a command and executed with superuser privileges. Wow!" |
| 10:33.35 | Stskeeps | oh boy. |
| 10:34.04 | johnx | uhm wow |
| 10:34.06 | johnx | and |
| 10:34.07 | johnx | wow |
| 10:34.16 | johnx | from where? |
| 10:34.28 | Stskeeps | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680 |
| 10:34.50 | Stskeeps | http://android.jim.sh/index.php/ConsoleShell as well |
| 10:35.16 | Stskeeps | but yes, that's possibly the worst bug, -ever- |
| 10:35.41 | qwerty12_N800 | F*** android if it's going in the same s***ty way as the iphone |
| 10:35.41 | Stskeeps | i would be thrilled to send rm -rf / to someone |
| 10:35.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: atleast it seems like it starts out just as open as maemo |
| 10:36.10 | Stskeeps | just type on your keyboard and you've jailbreaked it! |
| 10:36.18 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, heh :P |
| 10:36.26 | johnx | open software, closed devices is kind of the polar opposite to maemo |
| 10:37.07 | hahlobit | johnx: found cover switch |
| 10:37.32 | hahlobit | cover_switch |
| 10:37.38 | aspiers | Stskeeps: that is just HILARIOUS |
| 10:38.11 | Stskeeps | yeah, i got a good laugh out of it too :) |
| 10:38.41 | Stskeeps | but i must admit i wonder something |
| 10:39.05 | Stskeeps | .. nm |
| 10:39.09 | Stskeeps | wouldn't happen on deblet |
| 10:40.14 | aspiers | whichever developer left that in must be feeling pretty embarrassed right now |
| 10:40.21 | aspiers | also wondering if they still have a job |
| 10:40.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Here's my latest apt prefs file : http://tinyurl.com/5cmwsw :p |
| 10:41.47 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 10:44.16 | vincenzo88 | Hello all! |
| 10:44.40 | johnx | hi |
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| 10:45.42 | GNUton | ciao vincenzo88 |
| 10:46.33 | GNUton | Do somebody of you know why the package builder is so slow? |
| 10:47.05 | Stskeeps | oh, -that's- what texrats name was |
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| 11:10.29 | Stskeeps | johnx: how's maemo gtk going then? just taking ages to compile? |
| 11:11.04 | johnx | it failed and I'm actually giving stage's glib a try first, then I'll install it and try gtk again |
| 11:11.24 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:11.26 | johnx | still fighting with getting ubuntu working on the n800 :/ |
| 11:11.45 | Stskeeps | you using sdk or chroot for compilation? |
| 11:12.10 | Stskeeps | (i had difficultiies with sdk for now myself) |
| 11:12.14 | johnx | native on the zaurus |
| 11:12.16 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:12.56 | johnx | i googled the error but didn't pick up much. I suspected that a certain version of gtk+ might want to be compiled against a certain version of glib |
| 11:13.47 | Stskeeps | not impossible i guess |
| 11:14.05 | Stskeeps | i guess i can work on m-r on tablet and getting it bootin |
| 11:14.05 | Stskeeps | g |
| 11:15.07 | Stskeeps | emulator has to come later cos xserver-xorg-video-omapfb doesn't work on it |
| 11:15.19 | Stskeeps | or atleast what i managed to compile |
| 11:15.24 | johnx | well, that's a pain |
| 11:15.35 | johnx | maybe the plain xfbdev server would be an ok fit? |
| 11:15.50 | johnx | s/xfbdev/xorg's fbdev/ |
| 11:16.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: didn't work in emulator, something about blanking |
| 11:16.27 | johnx | hmm |
| 11:16.27 | johnx | odd |
| 11:16.35 | Stskeeps | xomap did work though |
| 11:17.36 | Stskeeps | glances at the beagleboard next to him |
| 11:17.51 | johnx | you know you want to compile native :) |
| 11:17.56 | suihkulokki | emulator? as in qemu? |
| 11:18.02 | Stskeeps | yeah, qemu's n800 emulation |
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| 11:18.46 | suihkulokki | well if it doesn't work omapfb (if that works on the device), fixing qemu shouldn't be that hard |
| 11:19.24 | Stskeeps | *nod* i'll try to check that out |
| 11:19.33 | johnx | well glib is happily compiling at least |
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| 11:26.06 | tekojo | hi all |
| 11:26.20 | tekojo | maemo.org just came back on-line |
| 11:26.39 | Stskeeps | after saying "crap.." when trying to access pages? ;) |
| 11:26.58 | johnx | the wiki is still "crap..."ed out |
| 11:27.05 | tekojo | yes, that's the squid on wiki |
| 11:27.33 | tekojo | use https, (I don't have root to restart squid) |
| 11:27.50 | johnx | good deal |
| 11:27.55 | johnx | thanks for the update :) |
| 11:28.39 | tekojo | I know, we need to get rid of squid on wiki, but everything else taking up time, and crap is occational. |
| 11:28.58 | tekojo | hopefully during december |
| 11:29.49 | tekojo | johnx: no problem, now there's about 26 hours till the next down |
| 11:31.35 | johnx | projects underway? |
| 11:32.38 | hahlobit | is this error? home/user/bin/tar: .: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 02:00:00 |
| 11:32.44 | tekojo | johnx: what? |
| 11:33.16 | johnx | I mean is it a planned outage necessary for some ongoing upgrade? or what? |
| 11:33.46 | johnx | hahlobit, if the command didn't fail that means it's a warning |
| 11:34.48 | tekojo | The ISP is moving to a new location, so every machine is unplugged and carried to a new server room |
| 11:35.02 | tekojo | they ran out of power and cooling |
| 11:38.04 | hahlobit | johnx: ok thanx |
| 11:38.57 | hahlobit | now when i'm booting from sdcard, can i format and mount flashdisk? |
| 11:40.21 | johnx | format the internal flash where the OS is installed? |
| 11:40.29 | hahlobit | yes |
| 11:40.35 | johnx | no, that's not really recommended |
| 11:41.02 | Stskeeps | unless you're as insane as me and johnx |
| 11:41.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:41.12 | hahlobit | :D |
| 11:41.13 | johnx | I'm not that insane yet |
| 11:41.20 | johnx | and that's saying something |
| 11:41.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:41.38 | hahlobit | could use it as swap |
| 11:41.55 | hahlobit | if possible |
| 11:42.53 | Stskeeps | ick |
| 11:42.53 | johnx | again, not really recommended |
| 11:43.25 | johnx | it's like 256MB of space. just think of it as your emergency backup system and don't worry about it |
| 11:43.35 | hahlobit | ok |
| 11:44.18 | hahlobit | can i make swap from control panel like before? |
| 11:45.09 | hahlobit | or should i use mkswap /dev/something now? |
| 11:46.52 | johnx | mkswap is probably the best bet |
| 11:57.46 | Stskeeps | jffs2 take 10.. *yawns' |
| 12:01.22 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24830 <- heh, that's amazing |
| 12:03.13 | johnx | the solar panel charging could probably be improved a lot with a higher efficiency voltage converter |
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| 12:56.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: should i work on ubuntu minbase + omapfb xorg + usbnet booting on n800? |
| 12:56.37 | Stskeeps | since i can't get the non-kdrive driver working on emu |
| 12:56.49 | johnx | yeah, somehow I'm having a mental block on getting mine booting |
| 12:56.54 | johnx | oh irony of ironies :/ |
| 12:58.12 | Stskeeps | using deblet boot basics package? |
| 12:58.32 | johnx | nah, I just did it by hand...I guess I should just use boot-basis huh? |
| 12:58.51 | Stskeeps | yeah, it helps a lot of things, especially the linuxrc part :P |
| 12:59.00 | johnx | well, that I disabled... |
| 12:59.08 | Stskeeps | ah, then you're in for a world of trouble ;) |
| 12:59.34 | johnx | I was being dumb, wasn't I? |
| 12:59.40 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 12:59.43 | johnx | yes, yes you were john :) |
| 13:01.10 | Stskeeps | btw the 12 second boot i did initially, think that was with bash instead of dash |
| 13:01.24 | johnx | very impressive |
| 13:01.31 | Stskeeps | but then again. |
| 13:01.34 | Stskeeps | not much to boot |
| 13:01.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:02.00 | johnx | w00! glib finished compiling. just waiting for it to package up the docs |
| 13:02.24 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 13:02.32 | Stskeeps | which ironically takes the longest |
| 13:02.38 | johnx | gah |
| 13:02.46 | johnx | it's been going for more than an hour now O_o |
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| 13:03.57 | Stskeeps | i'll whoop up a simple on-tablet debootstrap for this i guess |
| 13:04.04 | johnx | can't seem to reach trac.tspre.org right now ... |
| 13:04.40 | Stskeeps | ick, thanks for the notice |
| 13:04.49 | Stskeeps | i'm using the machine as a ssh tunnel for some work stuff too |
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| 13:05.02 | johnx | eep |
| 13:05.16 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 13:05.23 | johnx | hallo |
| 13:05.38 | Khertan_n810 | wie geht's ? |
| 13:06.00 | johnx | sorry, that was just a mispronounced hello :) |
| 13:06.23 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 13:06.30 | woglinde | hi |
| 13:06.38 | Khertan_n810 | so ... how do you do ? |
| 13:06.56 | johnx | I do pretty good, when I'm not waiting for glib to compile |
| 13:07.38 | Stskeeps | rebootin' |
| 13:08.16 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 13:08.35 | Khertan_n810 | waiting my wife doing scrapbooking |
| 13:09.02 | woglinde | johnx hm glib is really fast |
| 13:09.10 | woglinde | waiting for qt is another story |
| 13:09.31 | johnx | I'm compiling on a pxa270 with 64MB of RAM |
| 13:11.42 | woglinde | johnx hahah okay |
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| 13:12.28 | johnx | and distcc won't speed up documentation generation / packaging |
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| 13:14.40 | Khertan_n810 | re |
| 13:14.57 | Khertan_n810 | sorry doing stupid thing resulting in kp |
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| 13:16.13 | Khertan_n810 | someone have try the new homeip |
| 13:16.14 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
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| 13:17.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: should work now |
| 13:17.18 | johnx | yup. already grabbed a bunch from it |
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| 13:17.30 | Stskeeps | k |
| 13:17.45 | Khertan_n810 | bunch ? |
| 13:18.07 | johnx | s/bunch/small number of things/ |
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| 13:20.29 | aspiers | I've almost got my bluetooth PAN working now, but struggling with networking |
| 13:20.36 | Stskeeps | johnx: boot basics script would probably have to be edited to insist it's linuxrc it's booted fro |
| 13:20.39 | Stskeeps | m |
| 13:20.45 | Stskeeps | as the env variables from linuxrc disappear |
| 13:20.46 | Stskeeps | s |
| 13:20.59 | aspiers | my N810 can ping the pan0 bridge on my desktop, and it's getting an IP address via DHCP |
| 13:21.07 | aspiers | but I can't get masquerading working |
| 13:21.32 | johnx | did you look at the really simple masq script from the ip masq howto? |
| 13:22.33 | aspiers | johnx: I just used the Fedora system-config-firewall which gives: |
| 13:22.37 | aspiers | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.43 | aspiers | in the POSTROUTING table |
| 13:22.59 | johnx | I know nothing about fedora's firewall setup |
| 13:23.01 | aspiers | ip_forward is enabled |
| 13:24.22 | Stskeeps | ponders a small experiment |
| 13:24.23 | aspiers | if I sniff traffic on the pan0 bridge, I see arp requests from N810 for the MAC of the gateway going unanswered |
| 13:25.06 | johnx | what dhcp server is it getting an address from? your desktop or your router? |
| 13:25.15 | aspiers | my desktop |
| 13:25.21 | aspiers | I configured dhcpd to listen only on pan0 |
| 13:25.26 | johnx | ok good, just checking :) |
| 13:25.27 | aspiers | and give out addresses in a private range |
| 13:25.29 | aspiers | that bit works fine |
| 13:25.55 | aspiers | but like I said, the N810 can't ping the router because the router doesn't respond to its ARP requests |
| 13:26.01 | aspiers | maybe it never sees them |
| 13:26.11 | aspiers | I added eth0 to the pan0 bridge though |
| 13:26.39 | johnx | if you're just going to bridge, then why are you using masquerading? |
| 13:26.59 | aspiers | I'm using the bridge to support multiple bnep interfaces |
| 13:27.27 | aspiers | so bnep0 is still on a private PAN network of 192.168.111.0/24 |
| 13:27.38 | aspiers | whereas my home network is 10.x.x.x |
| 13:27.57 | johnx | my instinct is usually to get the basics working first, but that aside, why is eth0 on the bridge as well? |
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| 13:28.24 | aspiers | because http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN said to put it on there |
| 13:29.09 | aspiers | oh, I see what I've done wrong |
| 13:29.14 | aspiers | the N810 has the wrong gateway! |
| 13:29.19 | aspiers | it should have the desktop as gateway |
| 13:29.20 | aspiers | duh |
| 13:30.09 | aspiers | not my home router |
| 13:30.12 | johnx | well that's a start :) |
| 13:31.19 | lcuk | johnx, thats a good instinct to have |
| 13:31.25 | woglinde | morning lcuk |
| 13:31.32 | lcuk | hiya woglinde |
| 13:31.37 | lcuk | did you get your assignment in |
| 13:31.55 | woglinde | yes yes |
| 13:32.03 | johnx | lcuk, a couple years of being a sys admin will cultivate that instinct, right quick :) |
| 13:32.10 | Khertan_n810 | hi lcuk |
| 13:32.56 | lcuk | johnx, 100% agree, users/customers do stuff in strange ways |
| 13:33.04 | lcuk | hi there Khertan_n810 are you at home |
| 13:33.14 | Khertan_n810 | nope |
| 13:33.26 | lcuk | heh, out on a shopping trip and hiding in internet cafe? |
| 13:33.40 | Khertan_n810 | i m waiting my wife in something like a art decoration summit |
| 13:33.41 | johnx | I've heard it's also a good strategy for car repair...but that with that strategy I never ended up getting past the basics |
| 13:33.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: insane experiment of the day.. starting hildon-desktop (ubuntu) in qemu |
| 13:34.08 | johnx | madness :) |
| 13:34.11 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 13:34.43 | woglinde | hm |
| 13:34.52 | woglinde | no my fight with apache2 should be over |
| 13:34.53 | Khertan_n810 | is there a way to capture screen easily |
| 13:34.57 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, sneaky! is she taking part or just spectator? |
| 13:35.16 | Khertan_n810 | nope spectators :) |
| 13:35.34 | woglinde | Khertan_n810 install gpe-scap |
| 13:35.40 | lcuk | johnx, i use the learn to walk principle - cover the base features first and grow from good stable components |
| 13:36.03 | lcuk | doesnt that power mon thing have screenshot capability? |
| 13:36.03 | Khertan_n810 | woglinde > i mean in a programming way |
| 13:36.17 | Khertan_n810 | but looking at source will usefull :) |
| 13:36.20 | Stskeeps | uses his mental model of computers from high level (language) to low level (assembly/microcode) :P |
| 13:36.22 | woglinde | Khertan_n810 gpe-scap is opensource you know |
| 13:36.23 | woglinde | hehe |
| 13:36.25 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, in liqbase i have EVERY screen configured to allow [FULLSCREEN] to take a screenshot |
| 13:36.32 | johnx | xwd might be the simplest example |
| 13:36.42 | Khertan_n810 | xwd ? |
| 13:37.11 | johnx | yes, from any standard distro |
| 13:37.13 | lcuk | Stskeeps, task oriented |
| 13:37.38 | Khertan_n810 | so not maemo |
| 13:37.39 | johnx | debian package name is x11-apps |
| 13:37.57 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 13:37.59 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, http://liqbase.net/husband_creche.jpg |
| 13:38.28 | lcuk | a friend sent me this yesterday, its outside a pub |
| 13:39.33 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 13:40.27 | aspiers | johnx: ugh, I must still be doing something braindead |
| 13:40.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_n810, there are a few ways in maemo. i use load-applet but it can be done remotely via vnc/rdesktop, via the command line (osso-screenshot-tool) or via the framebuffer (fb_update_mode & fbgrab) |
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| 13:41.57 | Khertan_n810 | via the framebuffer ... |
| 13:42.05 | Khertan_n810 | should be fast ... |
| 13:42.19 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, it's how I got : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/bootup.png :) |
| 13:42.37 | qwerty12_N800 | load-applet can also grab from the framebuffer too |
| 13:42.46 | lcuk | grabbing a bitmap isn't slow, its compressing it and turning it into a png or bmp thats slow - what do you need em for from code? |
| 13:42.59 | lcuk | jpeg^ |
| 13:43.17 | Khertan_n810 | i need raw bitmap |
| 13:43.23 | Khertan_n810 | maybe some compress |
| 13:43.30 | Khertan_n810 | will depends on result |
| 13:43.34 | lcuk | in gtk python on a pixbuf? |
| 13:43.50 | Khertan_n810 | not in python |
| 13:43.55 | Khertan_n810 | will be too slo |
| 13:44.09 | Khertan_n810 | slow for what i m trying to do |
| 13:44.15 | lcuk | depends, the pixbuf functions are native arent they? |
| 13:44.27 | Khertan_n810 | it should |
| 13:44.59 | lcuk | then what language/library do you need them in |
| 13:45.13 | lcuk | ie gtk pixbuf or ximage or something |
| 13:45.22 | aspiers | johnx: sniffing eth0 (on home network) I see 192.168.111.60 -> 10.70.61.108 ICMP Echo (ping) request |
| 13:45.38 | Khertan_n810 | at this time there isn t any lib or anything code |
| 13:45.43 | aspiers | johnx: but .108 doesn't reply |
| 13:45.52 | Khertan_n810 | just thinking of something to export video |
| 13:46.27 | lcuk | video? -> you mean record a screencast from your machine as a video |
| 13:46.35 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 13:46.52 | lcuk | x11vnc -> vnctoswf or something |
| 13:46.53 | Khertan_n810 | but not record it ... just transfert it by usb |
| 13:47.02 | johnx | aspiers, my only thought is to double check all of your masquerading setup. |
| 13:47.24 | lcuk | push raw rframes into gstreamer and use the video stream things there |
| 13:47.42 | Khertan_n810 | and do the electronique things to handle it and convert it to rgb rca |
| 13:48.06 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... know how to do ? |
| 13:48.11 | lcuk | for the usb video out? |
| 13:48.29 | Khertan_n810 | for the screen <-> gstreamer |
| 13:48.39 | Khertan_n810 | -> video |
| 13:48.41 | Khertan_n810 | :k |
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| 13:49.31 | lcuk | no unfortunately, i know its possible though, look around debian as a whole for examples and see if they build on maemo |
| 13:49.58 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... |
| 13:50.11 | Khertan_n810 | i ll look at home |
| 13:50.26 | lcuk | gstreamer has sources and sinks - ive only used the sink to grab frames from the camera, but it can be reversed and anything can be a source and then use the gstreamer stuff for making it a video |
| 13:50.30 | Khertan_n810 | search web with a slow connection is a real pain |
| 13:50.34 | lcuk | agreed |
| 13:51.05 | Khertan_n810 | yep i ve try some thing with cam at this time |
| 13:51.10 | lcuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts/GStreamer |
| 13:51.14 | lcuk | read that khertan |
| 13:51.26 | lcuk | gstreamer has a plugin which can capture the contents of the currently running desktop. The capture results can be passed through pipelines which can process, encode and write the results out to video files. |
| 13:52.08 | lcuk | not sure of performance level or even if its feasible on this machine, but its worth a go |
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| 13:52.31 | Khertan_n810 | ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "ximagesrc". |
| 13:52.48 | aspiers | johnx: if my masq setup was correct, the src IP in the ping request seen on eth0 should be the IP of the masquerader (desktop), not the N810, right? |
| 13:53.08 | johnx | yes |
| 13:53.22 | aspiers | since the N810 is not routable from 10.10.10.x |
| 13:53.27 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, you might have to install the extra gstreamer plugins, or even build some additional ones |
| 13:53.48 | Khertan_n810 | build is the answer |
| 13:53.48 | aspiers | so the masquerader should rewrite the outgoing source IP and rewrite the incoming dest IP of the reply? |
| 13:53.55 | Khertan_n810 | i have already install all |
| 13:53.56 | aspiers | looks like that's not happening |
| 13:53.59 | johnx | my theory is that your packets are getting routed by your desktop, but the packets aren't being modifying and your ping target can't find a route back so it drops the requests |
| 13:54.59 | aspiers | johnx: I agree |
| 13:55.27 | aspiers | johnx: in fact my home router will presumably ignore the requests since they are from an unknown 192.168 network |
| 13:56.01 | johnx | drop, ignore, whatever. :) I remember the concepts, not the terminology :P |
| 13:58.07 | Khertan_n810 | hum xvimagesink exist but not the src one |
| 13:58.16 | Khertan_n810 | i ll see at home |
| 13:58.18 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 13:58.31 | Khertan_n810 | thx for tips lcuk |
| 13:58.45 | lcuk | np khertan :) |
| 13:59.39 | aspiers | johnx: I think it might be due to the fact that I gave both the bridge and pan0 192.168 IPs |
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| 14:09.16 | lardman | afternoon |
| 14:09.19 | woglinde | hi lardmann |
| 14:09.29 | lardman | hey woglinde |
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| 14:21.04 | lardman | ~lart uni wifi connection problems |
| 14:21.04 | infobot | takes out a cattle prod and gives uni wifi connection problems a good jolt |
| 14:27.10 | lcuk | hi there lardman |
| 14:27.28 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 14:27.47 | lcuk | are you having a lazy afternoon, or runnin around like a headless chicken? |
| 14:27.53 | lardman | at work |
| 14:27.56 | lardman | unfortunately |
| 14:28.01 | lcuk | oooer |
| 14:28.58 | qwerty12_N800 | It's Saturday, what are you doing working!?! :) |
| 14:29.17 | lardman | got work that needs to be done for next week |
| 14:30.16 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, you too may have to work on saturdays one day :P |
| 14:30.32 | lcuk | bleugh, working weekends is tiring (i should know ive done enough of them) |
| 14:30.36 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, noooooo!!!!! :P |
| 14:30.59 | lardman | yeah, feels like I'm doing my PhD again |
| 14:31.04 | lcuk | heh johnx its worse, imagine the shock when he realises hes gotta work on weekdays as well |
| 14:31.10 | lardman | lol |
| 14:31.16 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, Are you purposively trying to get me depressed? :P |
| 14:31.41 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, that's what us old people do. we just hang around and make younger people miserable. :D |
| 14:31.57 | lcuk | should really get scrum ui builder coded up today |
| 14:32.00 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
| 14:32.04 | johnx | that's the only thing you'll find fun eventually |
| 14:32.20 | lcuk | nahhh johnx, theres other things to do when you get old |
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| 14:32.36 | lardman | driving |
| 14:32.44 | lcuk | pick at the fluff on your cardigan |
| 14:32.45 | johnx | ssshh. don't tell him all the secrets |
| 14:32.47 | lcuk | feed the ducks |
| 14:33.03 | johnx | ...feed young hooligans to the ducks |
| 14:33.06 | lcuk | has an open sourcem ind |
| 14:33.31 | lcuk | waves his walking stick menacingly at the young rebels |
| 14:33.41 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot, make lcuk's brain |
| 14:33.41 | infobot | make: *** No rule to make target `lcuk's brain'. Stop. |
| 14:33.42 | johnx | ...and cut your hair! |
| 14:33.50 | lardman | finally, managed to get some images off my camera, via N810 + crappy wifi connection + sftp |
| 14:34.00 | lardman | s/camera/camera phone |
| 14:34.07 | lcuk | your camera lardman? you mean the 810 one? |
| 14:34.09 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 14:34.42 | lardman | no way, that's even worse than the one on my camera ;) |
| 14:34.43 | johnx | ha... my phone has IR. I used that to get exactly one picture off of it. never. again. |
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| 14:35.19 | Stskeeps | used to use his old nokia for data connectivity |
| 14:35.21 | Stskeeps | that really sucked |
| 14:35.28 | Stskeeps | then i started to appreciate bluetooth |
| 14:35.34 | Stskeeps | +ir |
| 14:35.54 | lcuk | the amount of data im creating in liqbase is growing quickly, can i utilise the RAM inside my casio to store more? |
| 14:36.03 | ShadowJK_ | joikuspot is king :) |
| 14:36.43 | lardman | lcuk: yeah should be enough bytes to store M-O-R-E, don;t use unicode though |
| 14:37.58 | lcuk | no hassles there |
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| 14:59.14 | aspiers | w00t! |
| 14:59.32 | aspiers | finally got his N810 connected to a masqueraded BT PAN |
| 15:00.06 | aspiers | man that was not easy :-/ |
| 15:00.14 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:00.38 | johnx | I think involving bridging and masq made it more difficult than it needed to be |
| 15:00.45 | aspiers | now I can watch streaming TV shows from bed ;-) |
| 15:00.58 | aspiers | johnx: I had to masq |
| 15:01.10 | aspiers | I could have avoided a bridge, yes |
| 15:01.11 | GAN800 | Why not wifi? |
| 15:01.24 | aspiers | GAN800: too unreliable at this distance |
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| 15:01.34 | johnx | I guess my and was ambiguous :) |
| 15:01.38 | GAN800 | Buy another AP |
| 15:01.39 | aspiers | GAN800: since I have ~70 wifi networks in my neighbourhood |
| 15:01.50 | aspiers | GAN800: I already bought several |
| 15:01.56 | GAN800 | Then go AP smashing |
| 15:01.59 | aspiers | GAN800: they all suck when there are that many networks around |
| 15:02.14 | aspiers | 802.11 basically sucks |
| 15:02.29 | GAN800 | Or hack everybody else and move them to channel 1. ;) |
| 15:02.34 | johnx | does bt cope better? |
| 15:02.41 | johnx | that would be kind of interesting |
| 15:02.44 | aspiers | it's so bad that I have to use ethernet over power in my 2-bed flat |
| 15:02.53 | aspiers | wireless is ok within the lounge |
| 15:02.56 | aspiers | and that's about it |
| 15:03.14 | aspiers | (AP is in the lounge) |
| 15:03.15 | aspiers | johnx: BT seems good so far |
| 15:04.04 | johnx | that's strange. I wonder if they use different parts of the 2.4GHz band |
| 15:04.38 | jaska | bt is a frequency hopper, 802.11b and later are direct-spread-spectrum |
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| 15:04.47 | jaska | (iirc) |
| 15:05.18 | johnx | I assume you've already tried to find a wifi channel that no one else was using? |
| 15:06.02 | Stskeeps | mm. one thing hildon really needs to do, seperate hildon-desktop and the /etc/hildon files |
| 15:06.05 | Stskeeps | they are like hildon themes |
| 15:06.59 | johnx | actually most of hildon desktop seems kind of crazy to me |
| 15:07.23 | johnx | well at least the layout and theming |
| 15:09.13 | Stskeeps | well my biggest complaint is that hildon-desktop for ubuntu has to have u-m specific layout, while there's a perfectly sane theme system |
| 15:09.40 | johnx | my biggest issue is resolution dependence |
| 15:10.04 | RST38h | johnx: it is S90 |
| 15:10.18 | johnx | did S60 have issues too? |
| 15:10.54 | RST38h | Yes, it is also resolution-dependent |
| 15:11.10 | RST38h | That was the reason why they jumped from 208x176 to 416x352 |
| 15:11.30 | RST38h | See here for details on S90: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Series_90 |
| 15:11.58 | qwerty12_N800 | I thought it was 176x208? (on 6630/6680 etc anyway) |
| 15:12.10 | RST38h | The funny part is that the current Hildon is no longer resolution-dependent (see how it reacts to rotation) |
| 15:12.24 | RST38h | qwerty: either way |
| 15:12.31 | johnx | well the apps aren't, but the task panels are |
| 15:12.41 | RST38h | qwerty: My E70 is rotatable, so to me it makes no difference |
| 15:13.02 | RST38h | johnx: easy to fix and is probably being fixed as we speak |
| 15:13.44 | johnx | yeah, I have a feeling hildon desktop's current implementation will be taking a long walk off the proverbial short pier |
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| 15:15.32 | jaska | mass driver-assisted long walk |
| 15:16.04 | johnx | that's a nice thought :) |
| 15:17.37 | RST38h | there is nothing wrong with the current implementation in general |
| 15:17.50 | RST38h | it does what it is supposed to do |
| 15:19.39 | aspiers | johnx: you assumed correct, believe me I tried EVERYTHING before resorting to ethernet over power |
| 15:19.51 | aspiers | I even bought a WiSPY |
| 15:20.37 | johnx | RST38h, doesn't do what I want = broken, end of story :D |
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| 15:20.48 | RST38h | johnx: and what do you want it to do? |
| 15:21.12 | johnx | do something reasonable on screens of different resolutions -or- failing that be relatively easy to modify |
| 15:21.34 | johnx | aspiers, I think the next few years will pretty interesting in terms of the unlicensed bands getting saturated |
| 15:21.51 | GAN800 | Maemo is moving to resolution independence, so I'm sure that'll be improved. |
| 15:22.14 | RST38h | johnx: reasonable on screen of different resolutions => really easy to do with the current desktop, just requires some minor fixes |
| 15:22.32 | GAN800 | johnx, I'm wondering if cellular broadband is going to become cheaper and more ubiquitous first. |
| 15:22.44 | RST38h | cheaper? never |
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| 15:22.48 | johnx | GAN800, that's just a different problem :) |
| 15:23.01 | RST38h | All those AT&T execs have to have their caviar sandwiches |
| 15:23.06 | ShadowJK_ | heh, I have no other wifi networks in range, yet I find usable range to, at most, extend into neighbouring room from AP... |
| 15:23.06 | johnx | actually I should say, the same problem wearing a different shirt |
| 15:23.47 | RST38h | And they continue making sure that no independent WiFi providers will ever rise up |
| 15:23.50 | johnx | maybe you guys just have neighbors with crappy cordless phones or poorly shielded microwaves |
| 15:24.17 | pupnik810 | hi guys |
| 15:24.17 | pupnik810 | hmf, can i recover a wep key from os2008? |
| 15:24.19 | pupnik810 | spose its crypt'd |
| 15:24.19 | johnx | well, boingo is starting to look better in the states |
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| 15:24.46 | RST38h | johnx: Dunno, the only access points I have seen while in the States were Sprint and TMobile |
| 15:25.03 | RST38h | [and of course unsecured residential APs =)] |
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| 15:25.43 | johnx | at&t bought out t-mobile's starbucks contract. wayport has APs in mcdonalds, and I believe a boingo subscription gets you access to both |
| 15:25.57 | johnx | or maybe I'm horribly confused |
| 15:27.30 | derf | pupnik810: Not crypted. Stored in plaintext in gconf. |
| 15:27.50 | RST38h | yes, boingo says it supports at&t hotspots |
| 15:28.00 | RST38h | But it is $10/mo for patchy internet access |
| 15:28.45 | RST38h | And after 3 months, it is $22/mo for the same patchy access |
| 15:29.00 | RST38h | I.e. more than I pay for 100Mbd wired residential access |
| 15:29.15 | derf | That's actually fairly cheap compared to most public WiFi access. |
| 15:29.24 | derf | It's _all_ a total ripoff. |
| 15:29.29 | RST38h | Yep |
| 15:29.47 | RST38h | But the prices above are still a total ripoff, given how rarely you will use it |
| 15:30.03 | johnx | it does depend on your usage patterns |
| 15:30.19 | RST38h | johnx: It depends on how ubiqitous it is, and it is not |
| 15:30.36 | johnx | it depends on if you're at or near a starbucks everyday |
| 15:30.42 | johnx | or *gag* a mcdonalds |
| 15:30.47 | RST38h | I use GPRS on daily basis, it works everywhere (slowly) and costs me less than above quotes |
| 15:31.05 | johnx | that's nice. are you in the country we're talking about? |
| 15:31.06 | RST38h | johnx: I am near corporate network every day =) |
| 15:31.12 | RST38h | johnx: No =) |
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| 15:31.33 | johnx | neither am I. you don't hear me talking about ubiquitous 3G and opera on every phone :P |
| 15:31.53 | RST38h | johnx: Well, GPRS is also ubiquitous in the US |
| 15:32.04 | johnx | but not for less than $20/month |
| 15:32.05 | RST38h | johnx: And I heard 3G is there as well. |
| 15:35.40 | RST38h | johnx: Well, back to my original point: cheap mobile internet access is not gonna happen in the US any time soon |
| 15:36.01 | johnx | yeah, compromises to be had everywhere |
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| 15:36.52 | johnx | it will still be interesting to see what the government does as the narrow bands available for wireless networking fill up |
| 15:37.27 | RST38h | auction another band or two |
| 15:38.59 | GAN800 | Politics and itT just don't mix. |
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| 15:43.19 | disco_stu | hi |
| 15:43.37 | Stskeeps | GAN800: fight to the death with 770s? |
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| 15:48.29 | RST38h | johnx: I don't think anything will fill up any time soon |
| 15:49.12 | RST38h | johnx: you have got overpriced service, soft initial demand and an economic crisis to boot |
| 15:49.32 | johnx | it'll happen pretty quick when people take their youtube habbit on the road |
| 15:50.01 | johnx | it might not happen soon, but when it takes off I think it's going to cause some problems in the short term |
| 15:50.02 | RST38h | + the size and characters of current licensees makes me believe they will not let anyone else use that spectrum at reasonable terms |
| 15:51.19 | RST38h | so those bands will become an "asset" :) |
| 15:51.59 | RST38h | ass-set =) |
| 15:52.09 | johnx | it'll just be interesting to see how they cope, that's all. :) |
| 15:52.27 | RST38h | johnx: you want to know hoe they cope, you look at current broadband |
| 15:52.39 | johnx | bandwidth caps, sure |
| 15:52.47 | johnx | s/bandwidth/transfer/ |
| 15:52.48 | RST38h | johnx: Bandwidth caps, filters for certain services, possible pay-per-bandwidth |
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| 15:53.52 | lardman | damn media meta crawler thingy |
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| 15:54.08 | lardman | It's found qwerty's lethal bizzle |
| 15:54.12 | johnx | but broadband ISPs can add more bandwidth on the backend relatively easily compared to trying to buy new spectrum, build out towers, sell handsets, etc |
| 15:54.14 | lardman | I'm bleeding from the ears |
| 15:54.21 | pupnik | bizzie? |
| 15:54.43 | lardman | pupnik: some garage (?) group or something |
| 15:54.50 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, lol, you still have that? I'm starting to suspect you like it ;P |
| 15:55.11 | lardman | I had a few copies of it on the device, obviously left one behind! :) |
| 15:55.32 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 15:55.48 | RST38h | johnx: the measures will still be the same |
| 15:56.10 | johnx | but it's gonna be a lot rougher for them I think |
| 15:56.21 | johnx | and, well, I look forward to seeing them squirm |
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| 15:58.19 | pupnik | i nwant a low-cpu, low-bandwidth connection quality indicator on the statusbar |
| 15:58.51 | lardman | connection strength in the icon would be good |
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| 16:02.25 | pupnik | good lord the connection is ssslllow |
| 16:03.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: Mem: 126796k total, 19516k used, 107280k free, 0k buffers |
| 16:03.45 | Stskeeps | Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 6892k cached |
| 16:03.51 | Stskeeps | on minimal ubuntu bootup btw |
| 16:04.06 | Stskeeps | and this is with tty1-9 open |
| 16:04.50 | johnx | nice |
| 16:05.26 | Stskeeps | .. and bash, which takes up 1.7% mem :P |
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| 16:06.35 | Stskeeps | upstart/init, 1.3%, udev 0.5%, and that's it of processes running.. so the busybox argument is definately not about memory |
| 16:06.51 | pupnik | wow |
| 16:07.21 | Stskeeps | (there's gettys and login, but they arent relevant in our end use case) |
| 16:09.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: .. so looking forward to maemo-gtk,hildon packages. the ubuntu ones are a nightmare to get to work sanely in this one |
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| 16:10.32 | johnx | issues with ARM or something else? |
| 16:10.45 | emma_goldstein | where can i find a telepathy-silc plugin or purple with silc for pidgin? |
| 16:11.05 | emma_goldstein | .deb preferred |
| 16:11.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: when moving to UM they wrecked plankton theme totally |
| 16:11.43 | johnx | yay for burnt bridges! |
| 16:11.57 | Stskeeps | and the hasty version requires flash and doesn't work well when moblin-media isn't existing (so ubuntu-mobile metapackage isn't installable) |
| 16:12.06 | Stskeeps | i should ask meiz wtf he did |
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| 16:12.28 | emma_goldstein | burning down the house - dumdidumm.. yes ;) |
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| 16:14.07 | qwerty12 | must have the most fucked up intrepid install ever. But at least my internet is working :) |
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| 16:14.39 | johnx | actually it kept deleting my wired ethernet connection at first, but seems ok now |
| 16:15.13 | johnx | makes mental note to throw away his useless usb-a -> mini-b cable |
| 16:17.22 | pupnik | qwerty12, what is intrepid? |
| 16:17.35 | lcuk | new ubuntu i believe |
| 16:17.38 | lcuk | intrepid ibis or something |
| 16:17.41 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik, latest ubuntu release |
| 16:17.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, ibex :P |
| 16:17.56 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/boink.png |
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| 16:18.19 | pupnik | is the wlan scan in connection manager passive? |
| 16:18.56 | lcuk | Stskeeps, :) you are emerging from the dark - i am loving seeing the progress you are making |
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| 16:19.34 | johnx | Stskeeps, impressive, that looks more mangled than beta2 :) |
| 16:19.37 | RST38h | Sts: Is it gonna be better than plain sb2? =) |
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| 16:22.46 | qwerty12 | w00t! ndiswrapper working with 2.6.27-7-generic kernel :). Just had to stick with hardy's networkmanager and compile ndiswrapper trunk. "*** WARNING: This kernel lacks wireless extensions. Wireless drivers will not work properly." - that alarms me but so far it's working and if not, I can just boot from hardy's kernel :) |
| 16:22.49 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well we're trying to build a new maemo too at the same time |
| 16:22.56 | woglinde | re |
| 16:23.02 | qwerty12 | hi woglinde |
| 16:23.10 | Stskeeps | and this is just craptacular |
| 16:23.22 | woglinde | qwerty12 buy a better wlan card |
| 16:23.23 | woglinde | *g* |
| 16:23.42 | qwerty12 | woglinde, I'm too cheap to do that :P |
| 16:23.59 | w00t | really regrets his nick sometimes.. |
| 16:24.10 | woglinde | qwerty12 sell your old card |
| 16:24.18 | Stskeeps | okay.. more from my dorm network admin experiences: guy emailing about that his torrents are now going at 220kb/s, and in the past it was much higher! and everyone at my dorm has the same problem! |
| 16:24.29 | qwerty12 | woglinde, I'd get £5 for it :P |
| 16:24.36 | Stskeeps | .. because the bloody line specs are 2mbit/1mbit per user. |
| 16:24.42 | emma_goldstein | intrepid is burning beta, network manager is evil now and all bluetooth-services are fucked up |
| 16:25.37 | qwerty12 | emma_goldstein, I *hate* the new network manager. I ended up reformatting hardy last time when I tried network manager svn in it... This time, I did an upgrade while holding back gnome-system-tools & network manager |
| 16:26.13 | emma_goldstein | don't even try 64bit - maemo crosscompile won't work :-X |
| 16:26.31 | lardman | even with 32bit libs? |
| 16:27.38 | woglinde | qwerty12 really try if/updown with guessnet ifplug and wpa_supplicant |
| 16:27.43 | woglinde | your life will be easier |
| 16:28.04 | emma_goldstein | qwerty12: network-manager is for laptop-babies, crippling down used behaviour - no network-aliases and dbus-renewed announce of networks - so coming home after work is realizint network-manager has cut all connections 15 minutes after i left |
| 16:28.29 | qwerty12 | woglinde, all I have to do is remove and reinsert my wifi dongle and ndiswrapper module automatically gets inserted :) |
| 16:28.31 | Stskeeps | there are times when i deal with NM, that i absolutely love nokia's stuff |
| 16:28.38 | Stskeeps | even though it is broken in some places. |
| 16:28.51 | woglinde | qwerty12 that has nothing to do with network manager |
| 16:28.55 | woglinde | thats udev magic |
| 16:29.10 | woglinde | qwerty12 networkmanager can't do what guessnet can to |
| 16:29.11 | qwerty12 | emma_goldstein, yeah... Stupid network-manager in intrepid cuts off my connections after a while... |
| 16:29.22 | pupnik | like 2 minutes lag here |
| 16:29.38 | pupnik | chat coming through in 20-line chunks |
| 16:29.45 | emma_goldstein | turn it off and forget it for a while - maybe it will grow up the next five years |
| 16:29.54 | qwerty12 | woglinde, I don't think it's udev... I ran ndiswrapper -m, ndiswrapper -ma, ndiswrapper -mi last time which adds config to /etc/modprobe.d |
| 16:30.07 | qwerty12 | woglinde, atm, I'm glad it's working like this, I don't want to add another factor :) |
| 16:30.21 | woglinde | qwerty12 yeah but how should modprobe work when udev isnt notice |
| 16:30.24 | emma_goldstein | no, it's definitely not udev |
| 16:30.31 | woglinde | ????? |
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| 16:30.40 | woglinde | I said udev is for inserting the ndis modules |
| 16:30.53 | woglinde | I didnt say udev cuts your network connection |
| 16:30.59 | emma_goldstein | network-manager ties 1 (!) IP to 1 hardware-interface, everything else is forbidden |
| 16:32.00 | Stskeeps | http://www.ieor.iitb.ac.in/~jayendran/comics/calvin-on-scientific-progress.gif |
| 16:32.11 | Stskeeps | i think this comic strip defines me. |
| 16:32.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:32.29 | emma_goldstein | anyone knows anything about silc on maemo? |
| 16:34.30 | johnx | does that make you Calvin or Hobbes? |
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| 16:34.40 | Stskeeps | think calvin |
| 16:34.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:34.52 | Stskeeps | but a bit of personality split, both |
| 16:34.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:36.20 | emma_goldstein | even where i can get a compiled version of this svn-tree? |
| 16:36.22 | emma_goldstein | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=324 |
| 16:36.40 | jagernot | hello i have a synth test ...its the very beginning but if anyone would like to run it and play with it |
| 16:36.47 | jagernot | will be happy to post a link |
| 16:37.03 | emma_goldstein | post it |
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| 16:37.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: still building? |
| 16:37.31 | jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/h |
| 16:37.36 | qwerty12_N800 | emma_goldstein, I'd offer but formatting ubuntu means i'm scratchbox less :(. if noone else offers, i'll see if i can compile it when i reinstall sbox |
| 16:37.53 | johnx | Stskeeps, yes O_o |
| 16:37.55 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw when we compile hildon i presume we will enable maemo gtk extensions? |
| 16:38.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: doc part took about half a night for me |
| 16:38.04 | johnx | definitely |
| 16:38.11 | johnx | half a night! O_o |
| 16:38.22 | Stskeeps | .. on qemu |
| 16:38.27 | johnx | if you have a faster way to do this, and this is blocking you, then go ahead if you want |
| 16:38.27 | emma_goldstein | i'm just downloading the maemo-sdk-vmware |
| 16:39.23 | emma_goldstein | intrepid and scratchbox2 is well prepared for maemo-sdk, but not fot 64bit |
| 16:39.26 | jagernot | synth test: left of the screen low pitch, right high pitch..no volume control yet ..hoping to make it pressure sensitive; link: http://www.poojyum.com/h |
| 16:39.39 | jagernot | its called 'h' easy to type from xterm. |
| 16:40.02 | jagernot | use stylus or fingers |
| 16:40.17 | pupnik | jagernot cool! |
| 16:40.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm not sure i do O_o |
| 16:40.45 | Stskeeps | well |
| 16:40.50 | Stskeeps | except getting the beagle up and running.. |
| 16:41.06 | Stskeeps | think i'll do that past dinner |
| 16:41.23 | jagernot | pupnik: it runs? |
| 16:42.48 | emma_goldstein | jagenot: "syntax error" |
| 16:42.54 | johnx | I'm just hoping glib finishes before I go to sleep so I can start gtk and leave it all night |
| 16:42.56 | qwerty12_N800 | jagernot, runs here, it's good, but effin loud! :D |
| 16:43.12 | jagernot | yeah u may want to reduce ur volume :) |
| 16:43.50 | jagernot | its all integers so i had kept the short int to max ie 32767 so yeah loud! |
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| 16:45.16 | emma_goldstein | h: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting *)*) |
| 16:45.27 | Stskeeps | chmod +x? :P |
| 16:45.32 | Stskeeps | on tablet |
| 16:45.41 | qwerty12_N800 | emma_goldstein, are you running it on tablet? |
| 16:45.59 | emma_goldstein | yes |
| 16:47.41 | pupnik | yes jagernot |
| 16:47.42 | pupnik | works |
| 16:47.55 | pupnik | ok too tired gtg cheers! |
| 16:48.17 | gnutonZZ | Hey guys, does the builder server work? |
| 16:48.25 | emma_goldstein | diablo-safe? |
| 16:48.27 | jagernot | are you guys able to make music with it :) |
| 16:48.53 | aantn | notices the topic about gold on friday and can't help but think about fight club |
| 16:48.58 | Stskeeps | 3192B/s.. jesus, mojo is slower than maemo.org |
| 16:49.45 | gnutonZZ | I upladed a package at 11 o'clock. and there are no results yet |
| 16:50.02 | gnutonZZ | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/quassel_0.3.0+git20081108-g224e969maemo0/ |
| 16:52.15 | emma_goldstein | jagernot: what dependencies do i need? |
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| 16:52.15 | lcuk | gnutonZZ, its not finished yet, something is up |
| 16:52.24 | lcuk | look atr your results thing and then look at mine |
| 16:52.25 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/liqbase_0.1.5/summary.log |
| 16:52.36 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, something about that kernel you gave me is ... very strange |
| 16:52.53 | jagernot | emma_goldstein: not sure...i use the n810 as i bought it |
| 16:52.55 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, hmm? |
| 16:53.06 | jagernot | emma: chinook 4.0.x sdk |
| 16:53.17 | emma_goldstein | jaggernot: did you update? |
| 16:53.23 | jagernot | emma:no |
| 16:53.24 | johnx | it has some compatibility issues with modules compiled for the normal diablo kernel...or something |
| 16:54.14 | emma_goldstein | i'm running fresh diablo here - with auto-upgrade - welcome to the nokia-update-crashworld |
| 16:54.39 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, it shouldn't do. all the modules i compile against the standard kernel insmod in mine. plus, nokia's modules from initfs insmod fine |
| 16:55.09 | johnx | stuff insmods fine, but I was getting some really weird usb and wlan issues while using it |
| 16:55.19 | emma_goldstein | chmod +x = permission denied |
| 16:55.19 | johnx | flashing back to diablo's kernel seems to have solved it |
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| 16:56.34 | qwerty12_N800 | hrm, sorry to hear that. i'll check it because i know wlan works fine for me. with usb, maybe some patch is conflicting |
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| 16:57.01 | johnx | it's the cx3110x.ko that stskeeps built that seems to have problems |
| 16:57.05 | emma_goldstein | 2.6.21-omap1 |
| 16:57.20 | johnx | anyways, I'm not complaining. :) I just wanted to give you a heads up in case you run into weird problems |
| 16:57.43 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 16:57.59 | emma_goldstein | me too :-D |
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| 17:04.50 | hahlobit | when i boot sdcard version, i got permission problems and example any bookmarks doesn't work i see my bookmarks but browser goes homepage? |
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| 17:08.21 | Stskeeps | johnx: think i'll target having a beagleboard buildbox for now, can't get SB2 to act sanely enough for my taste |
| 17:08.35 | johnx | darn :( |
| 17:08.46 | Stskeeps | or i need to extend the rootstrap with a hell lot of packages |
| 17:08.53 | johnx | I had the same experience months back, but I figured it must be a lot better by now |
| 17:09.00 | Stskeeps | it is, but hmm |
| 17:09.07 | Stskeeps | i don't get why it tries to rm /tmp/.X11-unix for instance, from the root system |
| 17:09.12 | Stskeeps | when in emulated mode |
| 17:09.17 | johnx | O_o |
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| 17:09.22 | johnx | that's not kosher |
| 17:09.36 | Stskeeps | well i wasn't running as root, so |
| 17:09.55 | Stskeeps | i think there would be need for a sb2 expert to look at that point instead really |
| 17:10.03 | emma_goldstein | sure, they emerged devil directly from /dev/null |
| 17:10.17 | qwerty12 | heh, permissions on my /tmp got fcuked once, a pita to sort out... |
| 17:10.20 | johnx | the guys on #scratchbox (?) were pretty helpful last time I talked to them |
| 17:10.30 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 17:10.49 | Stskeeps | ponders idly |
| 17:11.10 | neillie | hi anybody here who knows how to have root permissions through popen without using sudo? |
| 17:11.12 | Stskeeps | think i'll spend some time next week with beagleboard buildboxes that distcc to a crosscompiler |
| 17:11.32 | Stskeeps | neillie: setuid? but maybe receipe for disaser.. |
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| 17:11.51 | neillie | tried them all setuid, setreuid. did not work |
| 17:12.04 | Stskeeps | setuid on the target? :P |
| 17:12.18 | neillie | targets are insmod and rmmod |
| 17:12.23 | qwerty12 | neillie, also, are you calling setuid(0); from your application? |
| 17:12.24 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:12.35 | Stskeeps | neillie: why not use sudo though? |
| 17:12.41 | neillie | (am trying to extend usb-otg-plugin to load and remove modules) |
| 17:12.54 | Stskeeps | and add to sudoers.d with a NOPASSWD |
| 17:13.04 | neillie | I want to have the plugin work without having sudo installed |
| 17:13.09 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:13.16 | Stskeeps | sudo is always installed in maemo though |
| 17:13.32 | neillie | and always setup correctly? |
| 17:13.35 | Stskeeps | aye |
| 17:13.37 | neillie | then I am done |
| 17:13.41 | Stskeeps | the system breaks down horridly without sudo |
| 17:13.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:13.57 | neillie | that is a big relieve. thanks |
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| 17:21.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: found a qemu-arm chroot patch, this will be interesting.. |
| 17:21.40 | Stskeeps | logic dictates binary emulation should be faster than system emulation |
| 17:21.45 | Stskeeps | as it translates to the kernel |
| 17:21.58 | Stskeeps | and if qemu arm binary emulation is more sane now.. |
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| 17:22.15 | Stskeeps | combining that with distcc.. |
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| 17:23.51 | hahlobit | seems that inner sdcard is read-only how can i fix it correctly? chmod ? |
| 17:24.30 | johnx | you should probably fsck it or select repair from file manager |
| 17:24.45 | hahlobit | ok |
| 17:25.14 | johnx | file systems usually get remounted read-only because of errors |
| 17:26.03 | hahlobit | ok |
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| 17:34.55 | disco_stu | ~rotation |
| 17:35.20 | disco_stu | ~rotate |
| 17:35.56 | johnx | infobot, rotation is http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation |
| 17:36.00 | johnx | try it again |
| 17:36.24 | disco_stu | not that page |
| 17:36.37 | disco_stu | i'm looking for one that GeneralAntilles pointed out |
| 17:37.13 | qwerty12 | http://outpo.st/rotate/ |
| 17:37.20 | disco_stu | that one |
| 17:37.22 | disco_stu | :D |
| 17:37.55 | johnx | infobot, no rotation is http://outpo.st/rotate/ |
| 17:37.56 | infobot | okay, johnx |
| 17:38.04 | johnx | you're right, that one looks better |
| 17:39.30 | hahlobit | did fsck still read only, broken card? |
| 17:40.02 | johnx | run "dmesg" and see if there's anything interesting in it |
| 17:40.13 | hahlobit | ok |
| 17:40.58 | qwerty12 | sticks with 2.6.24-21-generic until the tossers at ubuntu can put out an decent intrepid kernel |
| 17:41.36 | GAN800 | johnx, probably leave it on the wiki |
| 17:41.49 | GAN800 | The .install doesn't actually work. |
| 17:42.02 | johnx | ah, really? |
| 17:42.08 | johnx | that's unfortunate |
| 17:42.16 | johnx | infobot, rotation is http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation |
| 17:42.24 | GAN800 | Application manager wont let you replace system packages from a 3rd party repo. |
| 17:42.26 | johnx | infobot, no rotation is http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation |
| 17:42.27 | infobot | johnx: okay |
| 17:42.34 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Hopefully, the sooner the better that a new h-a-m is shipped via SSU. Because with 2.1.20, that install does work :/ |
| 17:42.50 | GAN800 | osv-c is still the best short-term bet. |
| 17:43.09 | GAN800 | qwerty12, really? huh |
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| 17:43.23 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Yep, tried it, it got treated like a proper ssu update |
| 17:43.45 | qwerty12 | Kernel was flashed automatically and everything |
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| 17:49.28 | Proteous | Mmmmm, ham |
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| 17:54.05 | johnx | glib finished! |
| 17:54.21 | Stskeeps | woo! |
| 17:54.30 | johnx | it's armv5el though |
| 17:54.36 | Stskeeps | that's fine |
| 17:54.52 | johnx | I'll see if this allows gtk to build |
| 17:54.53 | qwerty12 | johnx, you really should hack debian/rules next time to not build docs :P |
| 17:55.21 | johnx | qwerty12, next build I'll sleep through :) |
| 17:55.30 | qwerty12 | hehe :) |
| 17:58.17 | Stskeeps | johnx: scp packages somewhere? |
| 17:58.23 | Stskeeps | http |
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| 17:59.00 | johnx | ah...I don't actually have any host right now :/ |
| 17:59.12 | johnx | I can put them on rapid share, or send them directly somewhere |
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| 17:59.39 | Stskeeps | think you have a scp account on trac.. sec |
| 18:01.52 | johnx | glib even built without any hacks to rules or control. I'm quite impressed |
| 18:03.49 | Stskeeps | mm, there's a small quirk to gtk as far as i can recall, it doesn't like debian packages make the libgtk2.0.0-bin package or something |
| 18:03.54 | Stskeeps | or provides or whatever |
| 18:04.49 | johnx | does it just need a quick tweak to the provides so that libgtk2.0-0 provides libgtk2.0-0-bin? |
| 18:05.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, that's possible |
| 18:05.41 | johnx | well is there some case in which we want lib but not bin? |
| 18:07.16 | disco_stu | ~rotation |
| 18:07.33 | disco_stu | is with me the problem, infobot ? |
| 18:07.35 | disco_stu | lol |
| 18:07.49 | disco_stu | i gues i dont have clearance.. |
| 18:09.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: test if there's a libgtk2.0-bin mentioned i guess, but yeah, provides would be it |
| 18:09.17 | Stskeeps | i think some gtk packages in debian depend on it |
| 18:09.55 | Stskeeps | (.. or something)b |
| 18:10.01 | Stskeeps | brb cooking |
| 18:10.04 | johnx | there is :) |
| 18:10.14 | johnx | looks like they cleaned up their packages a lot |
| 18:10.20 | koos | anyone knows who put librsvg in diablo/extras-devel? (it's in there since 27/06) |
| 18:11.59 | GAN800 | koos, check the maintainer field? |
| 18:12.10 | GAN800 | Or did they not change it! |
| 18:12.24 | GAN800 | s/!/?/ |
| 18:13.00 | koos | GAN800:how? (the -dev package doesn't contain a changelog file) |
| 18:13.18 | GAN800 | apt-cache show librsvg2-2 |
| 18:13.20 | qwerty12 | koos, Terje Bergstrom <terje@terje.fi> is the maintainer |
| 18:13.29 | GAN800 | For Tear? |
| 18:13.43 | qwerty12 | shit, should have removed the @ |
| 18:14.42 | GAN800 | pfft |
| 18:14.42 | koos | thanks, I'll send him a mail |
| 18:14.42 | GAN800 | You did it on purpose you evil person. :P |
| 18:14.43 | qwerty12 | Yes, I am in a spamming ring :P. You can find me chilling out in Nigeria sometimes :P :D |
| 18:15.55 | qwerty12 | Time to see if the xchat hildonisation patches will apply to 2.8.6... |
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| 18:21.51 | pupnik810 | idea: irssi built for extras... |
| 18:22.16 | qwerty12 | pupnik810, easily done, just I dunno if it would segfault... |
| 18:22.33 | Stskeeps | cos of the non-standard perl? :P |
| 18:22.38 | pupnik810 | xchat begins to annoy... not remembering network config (channel autojoin) |
| 18:23.06 | derf | But everyone who uses irssi also uses screen. |
| 18:23.10 | disco_stu | pupnik810: it bothers me the same |
| 18:23.17 | pupnik810 | come back, qwerty12! |
| 18:23.20 | derf | And thus there's no real reason to run it on the device. |
| 18:23.20 | disco_stu | i use pidgin now |
| 18:23.25 | Stskeeps | derf: yeah, except it's more responsive locally than over gprs ssh.. |
| 18:23.38 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik810, hmm? xchat remembers my settings here? is ~/.xchat2 owned by user? |
| 18:23.39 | Stskeeps | and on a n800 word prediction isn't a bad thing.. |
| 18:23.46 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik810, qwerty12 v2 :) |
| 18:23.58 | pupnik810 | i check |
| 18:24.01 | derf | Word prediction doesn't work in ssh? |
| 18:24.16 | Stskeeps | in osso-xterm atleast not |
| 18:25.01 | GAN800 | xchat remembers stuff fine here. |
| 18:25.12 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, one liner change to make word prediction work in osso-xterm but it was a bleeding nightmare... |
| 18:25.32 | pupnik810 | qwerty12_N800, yeah it is... comma seperated, the chanlist? |
| 18:25.55 | johnx | ha! finally have my n800 booting and behaving |
| 18:26.51 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik810, i only keep one chan there (guess which... :)) |
| 18:29.20 | pupnik810 | :) |
| 18:29.20 | pupnik810 | i need to spend less time in irc anyway |
| 18:29.21 | pupnik810 | but it is more fun chatting with you than the barmaid |
| 18:29.48 | johnx | and drinking at home is cheaper anyways :D |
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| 18:30.19 | pupnik810 | <- picked up a Thinkpad T42p for the next round of scratchbox hacking |
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| 18:30.56 | Stskeeps | needs to know some sb2 experts |
| 18:30.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:30.59 | disco_stu | someone saw hoy cool looks pidgin with the screen rotated ? |
| 18:31.07 | disco_stu | s/hoy/how/ |
| 18:31.39 | pupnik810 | no kidding - 9 euro in coffee tonight |
| 18:31.42 | pupnik810 | love thinkpads.... cept the price |
| 18:32.04 | pupnik810 | not i disco_stu |
| 18:33.06 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 18:33.19 | RST38h | Sts: So, I am still not getting it: how is your stuff different from the plain sb2? |
| 18:34.03 | disco_stu | pupnik810: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Mg4WF2Oq1Zw/SRXVT4NKqJI/AAAAAAAAAFE/Y31-K2UcuK8/s1600-h/rotation2.JPG |
| 18:34.07 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it's not |
| 18:34.42 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm taking a non maemo sdk+ rootstrap, a rootstrap from ubuntu/mojo instead and trying to make it work sanely |
| 18:34.44 | disco_stu | media player; http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Mg4WF2Oq1Zw/SRXVT35c0_I/AAAAAAAAAE8/K5FsWAkm3iI/s1600-h/rotation1.JPG |
| 18:35.11 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the emu stuff earlier is simply building a system and having a reference emulator/device to scp things to and run on |
| 18:35.16 | crashanddie | disco_stu, the media player looks wrong, pidgin does look slick, agreed |
| 18:35.35 | disco_stu | i like the media player that way.. |
| 18:36.10 | disco_stu | pkg manager: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Mg4WF2Oq1Zw/SRXVT2tGljI/AAAAAAAAAFM/PWXHiVLFybs/s1600-h/rotation3.JPG |
| 18:36.19 | Stskeeps | RST38h: and sb2 is a bit annoying when it comes to dealing with stuff like apt-get for some reason (sb2 -e apt-get bunchofdevpackages), cos of the packages doing things like rm /tmp/.X11-unix or deleting outside-rootstrap stuff.. |
| 18:36.50 | RST38h | Sts: yes, ti just does not work there |
| 18:36.58 | Stskeeps | okay, :P |
| 18:37.10 | Stskeeps | disco_stu: pidgin looks neat, yea |
| 18:37.47 | Stskeeps | RST38h: okay - and that's a bit of a blocker.. also i had weird issues with autoconf and such |
| 18:38.16 | Stskeeps | but that might just be because i don't know enough about sb2 |
| 18:38.47 | pupnik810 | good lord, 5 minute lag |
| 18:39.23 | johnx | is it on your side or freenode's side, pupnik810 ? |
| 18:39.51 | lcuk | johnx, if hes got 5 minute lag we can call him names and manage to run far enough awa y before he notices ;) |
| 18:40.36 | pupnik810 | freenode it seems - pings elsewhere 80ms |
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| 18:41.32 | qwerty12_N800 | liqbase sucks balls! |
| 18:41.35 | qwerty12_N800 | oh shit, it's pupnik with the lag |
| 18:41.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think i'll start on some of the long hanging fruit, like debootstrap + udev + hal etc |
| 18:41.59 | Stskeeps | get the base system running |
| 18:42.02 | Stskeeps | as in the proposal |
| 18:42.07 | Stskeeps | long/low |
| 18:42.28 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, that module hasnt been written yet :P |
| 18:42.31 | johnx | ok, then I'll try and get more stuff built from trunk and see where things blow up |
| 18:42.36 | zakkm | liqbase is awesome :) |
| 18:42.38 | johnx | I think gtk+ will build this time |
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| 18:42.54 | lcuk | heh zakkm flattery will get you far |
| 18:43.00 | johnx | but I'll go to sleep for now and let it do its thing |
| 18:43.03 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :P. i'll check if infobot has that problem |
| 18:43.11 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot, suck balls |
| 18:43.12 | infobot | ACTION sucks balls's lips |
| 18:43.17 | zakkm | no it is, only thing i dont like about it is no pdf reading so i have to convert to txt |
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| 18:44.31 | lcuk | well if you happen to know where there is a basic pdf library ill be happy to get something in - i have the format docs and a parser in visual basic for older type pdfs, but have no time myself to put stuff like that in |
| 18:45.21 | t_s_o | hmm, whos the crazy german in a eeepc gathering with a N800 and a apple keyboard? |
| 18:45.43 | zakkm | no i don't. Its just i use my nokia for pdf reading and i just love the black background white text of liqbase :P |
| 18:45.54 | lcuk | has an apple keyboard and a maemo laptop mode and im in #eeepc |
| 18:46.26 | t_s_o | figures :P |
| 18:46.34 | zakkm | how much was the apple keyboard? |
| 18:46.41 | lcuk | lol tso |
| 18:46.46 | Stskeeps | lcuk: or look into a pdf->text converter? :P |
| 18:46.50 | lcuk | i dunno, ask my missus she bought it for me |
| 18:47.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, problem there isnt so much pdf-> text its the image pdfs people seem to abuse |
| 18:47.09 | t_s_o | i was just watching the video chippy posted here: http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/11/25-mobile-pcs-in-one-coffee-shop |
| 18:47.12 | zakkm | Stskeeps: pdf to text converter app on liqbase? |
| 18:47.28 | t_s_o | poppler? |
| 18:47.36 | zakkm | mine just has text, the pdfs i use |
| 18:47.39 | zakkm | book pdf's . |
| 18:48.01 | lcuk | direct flat pdf documents are technically simple, i might start the ball rolling and put the basic parser in - it might give someone enough to build up from |
| 18:48.35 | lcuk | but i dont want to get bogged down by liqbase becoming known as just a book reader |
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| 18:48.52 | lcuk | uses it to read his books often tho |
| 18:49.54 | zakkm | so add pdf and dont tell anyone but us :D |
| 18:49.56 | zakkm | lol |
| 18:50.15 | lcuk | lol zakkm, thats the same with lots of things |
| 18:50.18 | t_s_o | whats why trying to build this swiss army knife programs? |
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| 18:50.22 | lcuk | theres a lot of code inside liqbase for use later on |
| 18:50.26 | t_s_o | err, with |
| 18:51.02 | lcuk | t_s_o, i think about interfaces a lot and have hundreds of different programs around which are geared towards my thinking about how to use a touch device |
| 18:52.39 | lcuk | t_s_o, are you in windows |
| 18:52.55 | zakkm | anyone know a theme "link" for NITs?? |
| 18:52.57 | t_s_o | for the moment, yes. gaming addiction :P |
| 18:53.21 | lcuk | heh - this is the sort of thing ive built in the past: http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.exe |
| 18:53.48 | t_s_o | ok |
| 18:56.05 | GAN800 | Consoles are useful for breaking the Windows gaming cycle. :P |
| 18:56.41 | Navi | What morons play PC games? |
| 18:56.48 | GAN800 | Navi |
| 18:57.27 | Navi | Incorrect |
| 18:57.41 | pupnik810 | what game(s) t_s_o |
| 18:58.01 | GAN800 | Don't lie, Navi. |
| 18:58.15 | GAN800 | I was there. I SAW you. :P |
| 18:58.24 | Navi | You call that playing? |
| 18:58.34 | Navi | I call that moving my mouse back and forth, clicking every so often. |
| 18:59.01 | GAN800 | Tell yourself whatever lies you need to to get by. :P |
| 18:59.05 | t_s_o | pupnik810: mmo's mostly, altho i had a fallout 3 binge the other day... |
| 18:59.22 | pupnik810 | btw i am confident the powervr sgx can render scorched3d acceptably |
| 18:59.22 | pupnik810 | ick... megalagagain |
| 18:59.43 | Navi | GAN800: they are truths. |
| 18:59.48 | GAN800 | I'm waiting for ioq3 |
| 19:00.07 | GAN800 | Tabler deathmatches should be fun. |
| 19:00.18 | GAN800 | s/Tabler/Tablet/ |
| 19:00.25 | t_s_o | heh, kinda like that networked driving game for C64? ;) |
| 19:00.58 | pupnik810 | ioq3? |
| 19:01.04 | Navi | ioquake3 |
| 19:01.17 | Navi | builds on top of the quake3 source |
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| 19:01.46 | qwerty12_N800 | would also like to see openut |
| 19:01.53 | zakkm | Is there 3d acceleration on the nokia? |
| 19:01.58 | zakkm | hardware. N800 |
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| 19:02.14 | zakkm | like on the gpu itself |
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| 19:05.15 | crashanddie | zakkm, the hardware is there, no support for it though |
| 19:05.35 | zakkm | so its just a matter of time for someone to make a driver? |
| 19:07.15 | pupnik810 | hehe dont hold yer breath for that |
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| 19:07.38 | l7 | heh, tablet deathmatch |
| 19:07.52 | zakkm | but it just sounds like it would help so much |
| 19:09.37 | GAN800 | Eh, not without a lot of work on the drivers |
| 19:10.45 | zakkm | :( |
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| 19:11.08 | t_s_o | not a desktop gpu, less developers, less chance of someone having the knowledge and time to make a driver... |
| 19:12.10 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, the old dreamcast in the attic has the sane gpu :p |
| 19:12.16 | qwerty12_N800 | *same rather |
| 19:12.32 | t_s_o | heh |
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| 19:13.30 | zakkm | really? |
| 19:13.33 | zakkm | the exact same? |
| 19:13.40 | zakkm | or you talking how powerful |
| 19:14.32 | lopz | hola |
| 19:14.34 | qwerty12_N800 | the same, powervr. dunno about *exact* but the n800 + dreamcast both have a powervr |
| 19:15.04 | zakkm | o. |
| 19:15.26 | Navi | :P |
| 19:16.25 | pupnik810 | pfsh. leave something for the next tablet |
| 19:17.29 | qwerty12_N800 | the best work done on it was by pH5 who was at least able to turn it on but it wasn't functional |
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| 19:19.23 | pupnik810 | eh i dont think the dreamcast had shaders |
| 19:20.46 | derf | I didn't think this one did, either. |
| 19:21.16 | Navi | PowerVRs didn't get shaders 'til the series 5 cips |
| 19:21.17 | Navi | chips* |
| 19:21.21 | qwerty12_N800 | no idea... it's been a looong time since i used mine. my dvd burner can't burn to cd-r well enough as my old computer so the dc wont read my burnt games |
| 19:21.44 | lcuk | stop burning them then and just write normal cdrs :P |
| 19:22.33 | qwerty12_N800 | unfortunately I didn't salvage the old cd-r burner or i'd have connected it to my new comp :p |
| 19:23.24 | lcuk | the powervr chip on the dreamcast is a standalone gpu and had its roots in the desktop standard agp card (this is also what the old linux driver is for). afterwards the powervr library was burned into the omap chips, but theres no knowledge of whether its the same or not |
| 19:23.50 | lcuk | (*public knowledge) |
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| 19:25.45 | Stskeeps | lcuk: you went to linuxtag yet or? |
| 19:25.58 | lcuk | i was there earlier this year |
| 19:26.03 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:26.24 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, s/linuxtag/leenuckstag/ :p |
| 19:30.36 | gomiam | XD |
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| 19:31.28 | Stskeeps | 'lo Meizirkki |
| 19:31.36 | Meizirkki | hello! |
| 19:33.02 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: basically we're trying based on the proposal on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed to make a proof of concept on how a future maemo OS could look, - Nokia seems interested in it, and if it doesn't end up being a future maemo, it will be a good alternative mobile platform |
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| 19:34.01 | Stskeeps | where we right now are working on bootable images based on a minimal ubuntu, targeting n800 emulation in qemu, putting fremantle hildon and such on top, - but also making it possible to easily have both xfce/lxde/ubuntu mobile/etc on same device |
| 19:34.31 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 19:35.18 | Meizirkki | if someone builds armv6 kernel, i will surely start playing with qemu |
| 19:35.36 | Stskeeps | you have seen that qemu emulation exists in latest qemu? |
| 19:35.40 | Stskeeps | er |
| 19:35.42 | Stskeeps | n800 emulation |
| 19:35.57 | lcuk | qemu vanishes up its own backside ;) |
| 19:36.14 | Stskeeps | qemu inside qemu can exist :P |
| 19:36.24 | Meizirkki | ok :) |
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| 19:37.06 | Stskeeps | so what you've done is getting UM going inside a chroot or? |
| 19:37.52 | Meizirkki | well, ubuntu mobile starts and at least the top panel works |
| 19:38.17 | Stskeeps | yeah.. in their latest packages from u-m they switched to a python thing instead of flash |
| 19:38.39 | Meizirkki | Will that work better? |
| 19:38.47 | Meizirkki | or wokr anyway |
| 19:38.54 | Meizirkki | *work |
| 19:39.16 | Stskeeps | well, flash on gecko vs python on gtk.. i think python on gtk wins |
| 19:40.01 | Meizirkki | ok, I tried some maemo apps on UM interface, everything seems to work quite well |
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| 19:40.22 | Stskeeps | by re-targeting their DISPLAY or? |
| 19:40.32 | Stskeeps | or like qole's stuff |
| 19:40.54 | Meizirkki | i closed maemos hildon, and started ubuntus one |
| 19:41.00 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:41.17 | Meizirkki | but i had to keep terminal open all the time, because there is no menu to select apps |
| 19:41.21 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:41.29 | Stskeeps | you said you had screenshots from that? |
| 19:41.35 | Meizirkki | it works also in xephyr |
| 19:42.01 | Meizirkki | No screenshots, but ybad quality photos |
| 19:42.08 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:42.21 | Meizirkki | picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810# |
| 19:43.01 | Meizirkki | those screenshots are when running in xephyr |
| 19:43.22 | Stskeeps | very impressive though |
| 19:43.32 | Meizirkki | but even if i set export to display :1 microb starts inside maemo |
| 19:43.50 | Meizirkki | thats why i had to close maemos UI |
| 19:43.55 | Stskeeps | http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810#5266329457143733138 <- neat |
| 19:44.00 | Stskeeps | yeah there's a browserd or something |
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| 19:45.09 | Stskeeps | http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810#5266329457143733138 looks quite neat |
| 19:45.21 | Meizirkki | just playing.. |
| 19:45.34 | Meizirkki | at least i got something to launch apps |
| 19:45.36 | Stskeeps | well that's what is good, i'm doing the same with deblet and this thing |
| 19:45.54 | Stskeeps | and if it actually ends up changing something, then there's a bonus to it |
| 19:46.27 | Meizirkki | Where are the python+gtk UI pckages? |
| 19:47.46 | Stskeeps | think they're in launchpad, sec |
| 19:47.53 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 19:48.34 | Stskeeps | or look for the hildon-desktop in intrepid (packages.ubuntu.com), think they're there |
| 19:48.47 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 19:49.14 | Meizirkki | i'll install UM to my ubuntu box. |
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| 19:50.12 | Meizirkki | i installed tablet-hw-n8x0-nonfree from deblet repos, and installed deblet flashplayer, flash interface still does not work |
| 19:51.08 | Meizirkki | *reasing that maemo page* |
| 19:51.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, did you run the nonfree script too? ;) |
| 19:52.44 | Meizirkki | script? /usr/libexec/something/make-repo? if so: yes |
| 19:53.05 | Stskeeps | k - and is adobe-flashplayer there? |
| 19:53.06 | Stskeeps | package |
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| 19:53.28 | Meizirkki | BTW it downloaded adobe flashplayer and i installed it |
| 19:53.41 | Stskeeps | u-m did that? |
| 19:53.59 | Meizirkki | just --force-architecture |
| 19:54.01 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:54.14 | Stskeeps | of both deblet flashplayer (which is a wrapper) and adobe-flashplayer? |
| 19:54.38 | Meizirkki | then i made symbolic link from /usr/lib/libflashplayer.so to /root/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 19:54.58 | Meizirkki | as the UM page said |
| 19:55.34 | Meizirkki | i installed deblet flashplayer too |
| 19:56.00 | Meizirkki | it was tricky, and firefox still refuses to show flash pages :( |
| 19:56.11 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:56.36 | Stskeeps | yeah, well, deblet flashplayer is the .so you need to ln -s to plugins |
| 19:56.43 | Stskeeps | it won't load normally else |
| 19:56.51 | Stskeeps | it needs maemo GTK things so |
| 19:56.57 | Meizirkki | thats jus what i did |
| 19:57.05 | Stskeeps | hm |
| 19:57.13 | Stskeeps | well i didn't test it under u-m so |
| 19:57.17 | Stskeeps | just in epiphany and such |
| 19:58.10 | Meizirkki | *trying some tricks with it* |
| 19:58.26 | Stskeeps | check if it's in about:plugins atleast |
| 19:59.29 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 20:04.22 | Meizirkki | errors: |
| 20:04.25 | Meizirkki | LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library libXt.so [libXt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] |
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| 20:04.44 | Meizirkki | LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/libflashplayer.so [libcurl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] |
| 20:05.28 | Stskeeps | and libflashplayer is the libdebletflashplayer.so? |
| 20:05.36 | Stskeeps | or whatever the name was again |
| 20:06.18 | Meizirkki | i have libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/ |
| 20:06.58 | Meizirkki | i made symbolic link to /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/ |
| 20:07.08 | Meizirkki | now it does not show error |
| 20:07.19 | Meizirkki | but flash still does not work :( |
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| 20:09.17 | Stskeeps | okay, where is the libdebletflashplayer.so? |
| 20:10.04 | Stskeeps | should be in usr/lib/browser/plugins |
| 20:10.05 | Meizirkki | i don't know |
| 20:10.08 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 20:10.34 | Stskeeps | take that and ln it into plugins instead of libflashplayer (libflashplayer should not be in plugins/ |
| 20:11.07 | Meizirkki | the file is called libflashplayer.so |
| 20:11.14 | Meizirkki | no deblet anywhere |
| 20:11.16 | Stskeeps | eh. |
| 20:11.47 | Stskeeps | well then you didn't install debletflashplayer package :P |
| 20:12.01 | Stskeeps | deblet-flashplayer, that is |
| 20:13.29 | Meizirkki | i did install deblet-flashplayes |
| 20:13.36 | Meizirkki | *r |
| 20:14.05 | Stskeeps | then there should be a libdebletflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/browser/plugins :P dpkg -L deblet-flashplayer? |
| 20:14.19 | Stskeeps | in any case, this is a hack and it's wonderful if it works and if it doesn't it doesn't :P |
| 20:14.34 | Stskeeps | it adds stubs of maemo gtk api extensions so |
| 20:14.45 | Meizirkki | [root@Debian: /usr/lib/browser/plugins]dpkg -L deblet-flashplayer |
| 20:15.15 | Meizirkki | i cant paste it here :( |
| 20:15.28 | Stskeeps | pastebin, rafb.net/paste |
| 20:16.16 | Meizirkki | pastebin, rafb.net/paste |
| 20:16.28 | Meizirkki | damn |
| 20:17.06 | Meizirkki | wait |
| 20:17.23 | Meizirkki | #/. |
| 20:17.33 | Meizirkki | #/usr |
| 20:17.42 | Meizirkki | #/usr/bin |
| 20:17.49 | Stskeeps | just copy-paste it on http://www.rafb.net/paste :) |
| 20:17.59 | Stskeeps | and give the url here it answers with when answered |
| 20:18.05 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 20:18.05 | Stskeeps | if you aren't reading this off a screen.. |
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| 20:19.09 | Meizirkki | there you go |
| 20:19.10 | Meizirkki | http://rafb.net/p/aaxqsI50.html |
| 20:19.45 | Stskeeps | eh. |
| 20:20.06 | Meizirkki | what? :) |
| 20:20.21 | Stskeeps | my fault |
| 20:20.22 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 20:25.56 | lcuk | bb whenever |
| 20:27.45 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/export/6/trunk/nit-base-packages/debian-flashplayer/usr/lib/browser/plugins/libdebianflashplayer.so |
| 20:27.54 | Stskeeps | get that and put it in /usr/lib/browser/plugins |
| 20:28.02 | Meizirkki | ok, thanks! |
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| 20:33.49 | Meizirkki | still wont work :( |
| 20:34.29 | Stskeeps | what errors? |
| 20:34.31 | Stskeeps | libcurl and libxt? |
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| 20:35.43 | Meizirkki | no errors this time, it does not show on plugins |
| 20:35.49 | Stskeeps | hmm |
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| 20:36.39 | Meizirkki | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed -- why you should move hardy to hasty in scripts, since mojos debootstrap .deb gives all needed scripts? |
| 20:36.55 | Stskeeps | it doesn't support minbase |
| 20:37.22 | Stskeeps | which is silly actually, cos minbase actually does run :P |
| 20:37.40 | Meizirkki | what is minbase? |
| 20:37.49 | Stskeeps | minbase is a very minimal subset of ubuntu |
| 20:37.49 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 20:37.57 | Meizirkki | is it needed for booting system |
| 20:38.01 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 20:38.52 | Stskeeps | ok - when you debootstrap you normally get the whole ubuntu base system, minbase is a variant of this |
| 20:39.02 | Stskeeps | where it is "just enough" to get the system running |
| 20:39.06 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 20:39.13 | Stskeeps | our system has to be able to fit in 250m flash, so |
| 20:39.22 | Stskeeps | which a user can then clone or whatever to larger space |
| 20:39.39 | Stskeeps | it may sound small but actually a lot can fit in there |
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| 20:39.48 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/minboot.txt is the packages in minbase (+ apt-utils and wget i think) |
| 20:39.57 | Stskeeps | and some scripts to boot it |
| 20:40.16 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 20:40.35 | Stskeeps | booted in 12 seconds on my n800 |
| 20:40.49 | Stskeeps | counting from when it started to mount (ext3) |
| 20:41.02 | Stskeeps | and would probably be quicker if it wasn't framebuffer console |
| 20:41.18 | Stskeeps | but anyway, does this sound interesting to experiment with? |
| 20:41.31 | Meizirkki | absolutely |
| 20:42.13 | Meizirkki | i love to try out diffrent things on my n810 :) |
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| 20:47.28 | Meizirkki | how can i install minimum rootfs, do i need to mess with the debootstrap scripts |
| 20:47.29 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 20:48.45 | Stskeeps | i basically just took hardy script and copied it to hasty, didn't edit it, debootstrap --arch=arm --variant=minbase hasty /target http://repository.handhelds.org/hasty-something |
| 20:49.42 | Stskeeps | (i debootstrap on my tablet, so) |
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| 20:53.31 | guysoft42 | hey , i am getting a nokia n810 soon, is there a good page you recommend to get started with advanced things? (i am a linux developer, but i would like to tap in to advanced user stuff) |
| 20:54.02 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: sitting in here is a good way to be dragged into dark alleys of the tablet |
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| 20:54.30 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, i can see. i hope to start bugging with questions once i get it.. |
| 20:54.33 | Stskeeps | just ask lcuk, :P |
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| 20:54.52 | Meizirkki | internettablettalk.com |
| 20:54.55 | Meizirkki | :) |
| 20:54.57 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, is there a community news site? i am trying to find an rss feed to replace 1src |
| 20:55.44 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: internettablettalk.com/forums is for better or worse the forums, and there's planet maemo on maemo.org |
| 20:57.19 | GAN800 | itT isn't the hacker's paradise it used to be |
| 20:57.40 | GAN800 | planet.maemo.org is the community news agreggator |
| 20:58.32 | GAN800 | Subscribe to maemo-developers and, maybe, maemo-community (if community stuff interests you). |
| 20:59.43 | Stskeeps | is it just me or is there an insane amount of finnish tablet developers? :P |
| 21:01.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, go on, get more Danish devs to develop for the tablet :p |
| 21:02.12 | Stskeeps | think i only know two.. sec |
| 21:03.35 | Stskeeps | this one might be interesting to some of you: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~bouvin/?p=30 (see the video) |
| 21:03.45 | Stskeeps | quite interesting research project done at my uni |
| 21:05.16 | Stskeeps | (the really interesting part is in the end) |
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| 21:06.49 | Meizirkki | can you give me the address again Stskeeps? |
| 21:07.00 | Meizirkki | i just booted to flash |
| 21:07.12 | Stskeeps | for which again? |
| 21:07.34 | Meizirkki | link to the maemo page |
| 21:09.36 | Stskeeps | ah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed |
| 21:10.05 | Meizirkki | thanks |
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| 21:13.10 | Meizirkki | i think armv6el-vfp release is best choise, since n8x0 cpu is arm v6? |
| 21:13.50 | lcuk | Stskeeps, OI! i don't go down dark alleyways with my tablet |
| 21:15.03 | LiraNuna | anyone here got their hands on an N810 WiMAX yet? |
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| 21:15.17 | lcuk | yeah i held one in may i think |
| 21:15.27 | lcuk | didnt get to keep it though |
| 21:15.47 | LiraNuna | I meant was able to buy one |
| 21:15.51 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, well, i took armv5 for now as armv6 wasn't properly done yet |
| 21:16.05 | Stskeeps | and if we can show nice properties for 770s too .. ;) |
| 21:16.05 | Meizirkki | ok |
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| 21:16.44 | Stskeeps | but that only has 128mb flash so that's more tight than a camel's ass |
| 21:16.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:17.06 | Meizirkki | :D |
| 21:17.22 | Meizirkki | oh, my internet is awfully slow!!! :( |
| 21:17.39 | Meizirkki | dl speed is max 60kb/s |
| 21:18.02 | Meizirkki | i am living in the middle of nowhere... |
| 21:19.50 | lcuk | Meizirkki, i can sell you blocks of my fast internet if you want |
| 21:20.02 | lcuk | if you pay me, ill download them to my computer really quickly for you |
| 21:20.20 | Stskeeps | lcuk: saw the video i linked to? |
| 21:20.29 | Meizirkki | ... |
| 21:20.30 | lcuk | which? |
| 21:20.45 | Stskeeps | lcuk: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~bouvin/?p=30 |
| 21:21.31 | Stskeeps | the interesting part comes in the last 2/3rd |
| 21:23.29 | lcuk | Stskeeps, ouch at the need to offload processing for such simple things |
| 21:23.42 | lcuk | very good principle for larger details |
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| 21:24.18 | lcuk | but simple image processing like this has never been really slow - i remember using my amiga in realtimish |
| 21:24.44 | lcuk | extremely nice app though |
| 21:24.49 | Stskeeps | ye, design is quite good |
| 21:24.53 | Stskeeps | designed in python afaik :P |
| 21:25.03 | lcuk | heh - that explains it |
| 21:25.15 | lcuk | why optimize code wheni can just throw another computer at it ;) |
| 21:25.57 | lcuk | i do realtime alphablending, its not so far off from convulsions and stuff already ;) |
| 21:26.28 | lcuk | surely as the images get bigger the network time will deteriorate as well |
| 21:26.41 | Stskeeps | well it's a interesting thought, why shouldn't my tablet be as powerful as the environment it is in |
| 21:26.57 | Stskeeps | yeah - but there's also interesting things involved with file surrogates and such |
| 21:27.02 | lcuk | yes, network grid processing is a very powerful concept |
| 21:27.33 | lcuk | distcc is one example close to home |
| 21:27.52 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:28.27 | lcuk | optimum grid processing comes with low data transfer overheads and high cpu cost |
| 21:28.57 | lcuk | ie, send fractal formula + coord range and get the big rig to calculate a whole tile of results |
| 21:29.33 | lcuk | should really do mandelbrot on tablet - its a really good system to test pan and zoom |
| 21:29.38 | lcuk | i keep thinking i need it |
| 21:29.55 | lcuk | infact, i will now |
| 21:30.21 | woglinde | hehe |
| 21:30.28 | woglinde | please not with vb |
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| 21:34.39 | lcuk | woglinde, i havent used vb since I refound my first love (c), it will be in native c and should use kinetics and hopefully be as fluid as usual |
| 21:35.58 | Stskeeps | continues pimping his minimal ubuntu. |
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| 21:40.03 | lcuk | Stskeeps, go go go, pimp all you like, minimalistic is logical for this platform |
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| 21:47.18 | Stskeeps | waits for the judgement of mkfs.jffs2 |
| 21:50.20 | Meizirkki | wohoo! finally installed |
| 21:50.36 | Meizirkki | what should i install next ;) |
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| 21:52.10 | Stskeeps | aaand. 107 mb flash: ubuntu minbase, upstart, gnu tools+dash/bash, no man pages&doc, d-bus, hal, GUPnP, some X libs + GTK, udev, gconf2, glib, gstreamer with plugins, pulseaudio, tracker, samba client, python2.5 |
| 21:52.46 | Stskeeps | sqlite as well |
| 21:53.14 | Stskeeps | oh, and perl too |
| 21:53.25 | Stskeeps | and vim-tiny |
| 21:53.35 | Stskeeps | that's impressive, isn't it? |
| 21:54.44 | Meizirkki | yep |
| 21:55.31 | whodat | i get a bunch of prompts when running maemo mapper saying that the sql database is corrupted or missing file.. just started happening today, any ideas? |
| 21:55.33 | lcuk | sqlite3 as well i hope :P thats mroe compatible with my desktop |
| 21:55.50 | Stskeeps | libsqlite3-0 |
| 21:55.56 | lcuk | whodat, you probably corrupted your sql database file |
| 21:56.02 | lcuk | excellent sts |
| 21:56.13 | whodat | lcuk: how do i repair it |
| 21:56.33 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 21:56.41 | lcuk | restore from backup |
| 21:56.42 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/107mb.txt (dpkg -l of the 107mb system.) |
| 21:57.12 | lcuk | heh Stskeeps i notice a distinct lack of liqbase in there :P |
| 21:58.36 | lcuk | thats an impressive list though |
| 21:59.45 | Stskeeps | with this, porting an app from ubuntu or debian is a matter of hildonizing it. |
| 22:00.06 | lcuk | isnt that the same with normal maemo? |
| 22:01.08 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 22:01.20 | Stskeeps | try having an app with a untraditional lib |
| 22:01.23 | Stskeeps | and porting those libs |
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| 22:02.28 | lcuk | kinda like the inverse of me needing xsp |
| 22:02.49 | lcuk | to use it properly on the desktop i would have to find an alternative pressure library |
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| 22:03.32 | Stskeeps | with this platform you can have both the power of a netbook distro in your hand and a power-saving mobile system |
| 22:04.55 | Stskeeps | pft. sleep is overrated |
| 22:05.10 | fale | hi |
| 22:05.46 | fale | I have seen that the next version should be based on qt. is this true? |
| 22:05.58 | lcuk | next version of what? |
| 22:06.11 | qwerty12_N800 | maemo |
| 22:06.45 | lcuk | based on, or will support? |
| 22:06.51 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 22:07.02 | lcuk | cos i thought the platform was based on linux |
| 22:07.21 | Stskeeps | harmattan will support QT afaik |
| 22:07.41 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 22:07.53 | Stskeeps | too much info for that guy.. |
| 22:07.54 | lcuk | fale failed |
| 22:08.08 | qwerty12_N800 | groans :p |
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| 22:11.26 | lcuk | wb fale, you failed |
| 22:12.08 | fale | lcuk: yep, my quassal server failed |
| 22:12.16 | fale | someone have responded to my question while my server was crushed? |
| 22:12.33 | Stskeeps | harmattan will support QT afaik |
| 22:13.32 | fale | Stskeeps: is there a roadmap? |
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| 22:15.06 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle |
| 22:15.52 | GAN800 | fale, support != will be based on. |
| 22:16.09 | Navi | Ew |
| 22:16.21 | RST38h | remoo |
| 22:17.51 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 22:18.11 | suihkulokki | apt-get moo |
| 22:18.13 | fale | GAN800: it will be a step by step thing? |
| 22:20.06 | fale | may have read wrong on wikipedia |
| 22:24.03 | Stskeeps | fale: think it's just providing alternate toolkits that are able to mimic the hildon look |
| 22:24.14 | Stskeeps | and when you have gtk and qt doing that.. |
| 22:24.59 | fale | I see |
| 22:25.41 | fale | I dunno why but I was completed sure that maemo would be translated to qt... maybe because nokia bought trolltech? |
| 22:26.31 | Stskeeps | why change something that works? :P |
| 22:26.45 | Stskeeps | when you can have them both co-existing |
| 22:26.46 | RST38h | "The latest big bug discovered in Android has to be one of the craziest that's shipped with a phone. Basically, Android invisibly interprets every word as a command and executes it with "superuser privileges." If you open up your keyboard and type r-e-b-o-o-t, your G1 will, yep, reboot." |
| 22:26.57 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, saw that earlier |
| 22:27.00 | Stskeeps | that is -hillarious- |
| 22:27.07 | RST38h | And we need some rootshell, becomeroot, and other crap |
| 22:27.52 | qwerty12_N800 | stupid retards, can't even lock down the device properly |
| 22:27.55 | RST38h | Strike of real goonius! |
| 22:27.57 | Stskeeps | talk about keyboard gestures.. |
| 22:28.04 | Stskeeps | "want to reboot your phone? type it!" |
| 22:28.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 22:28.17 | RST38h | wonders what other interesting things can be typed |
| 22:28.22 | Stskeeps | "telnetd" |
| 22:28.26 | Stskeeps | which was how it was found out. |
| 22:28.38 | fale | Stskeeps: that's true too |
| 22:28.40 | RST38h | "It'll do this with any other command too, so stay away from combinations of rm and rf." <== aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! |
| 22:28.49 | disco_stu | what is that ? |
| 22:29.10 | Stskeeps | disco_stu: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680 |
| 22:30.25 | Stskeeps | fale: the versatile nature of the tablets is what makes it -really- interesting |
| 22:30.35 | Stskeeps | you're not locked down to certain toolkits |
| 22:31.15 | RST38h | "Heres a workaround I just discovered: Open the keyboard and type these 5 keystrokes: <return>-c-a-t-<return>." |
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| 22:31.29 | Stskeeps | until you do ctrl-d |
| 22:31.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:31.57 | fale | Stskeeps: that's true, but for what I have seen... qt are often more easy to use and manage...than I thought that nokia would pass the main code to it |
| 22:32.27 | Stskeeps | fale: then some things might be used.. think a lot of things are up in the air right now |
| 22:32.42 | GAN800 | There's a non-trivial amount of code to port for zero benefit. |
| 22:32.57 | disco_stu | thats if for android.. |
| 22:32.58 | Stskeeps | and what GAN said |
| 22:34.48 | fale | someone of you have tried maemo on freerunner? |
| 22:35.00 | Stskeeps | fale: maemo isn't directly easy to port |
| 22:35.12 | Stskeeps | well, hildon maybe but it's not the same as maemo |
| 22:35.12 | fale | why? |
| 22:36.08 | Stskeeps | you want the long technical reason or me telling it's not trivial to get something that feels quite like the tablets? :P |
| 22:36.14 | Stskeeps | and is as well-behaving |
| 22:36.21 | Stskeeps | and supports same apps as the platform |
| 22:36.27 | fale | ah ok, I see |
| 22:36.54 | Stskeeps | but you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed |
| 22:37.45 | Stskeeps | [.. i should really have gotten into advertising instead of computer science. or pushing drugs.] |
| 22:38.59 | fale | Stskeeps: xd |
| 22:39.16 | Stskeeps | that a smiley? :P |
| 22:39.41 | fale | Stskeeps: yep |
| 22:39.49 | fale | Stskeeps: are you a maemo dev? |
| 22:40.48 | Stskeeps | nah. not really. i did deblet (debian for the tablets), i'm just a crazy person who's interested in system architecture and noticed some shortcomings in maemo |
| 22:41.37 | fale | I see |
| 22:41.46 | Stskeeps | and see some potential in the platform |
| 22:42.07 | fale | my question is poiting toward this: how much maemo is free as development? |
| 22:42.57 | Stskeeps | could you rephrase that? |
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| 22:45.15 | Stskeeps | if you're asking how much of a firmware image is open source, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Components_and_packages |
| 22:45.19 | fale | Stskeeps: how much a freelance (not a nokia dev) can do in maemo |
| 22:46.28 | Stskeeps | you can develop quite a bit for the platform, but develop maemo itself is still to be seen, there's some tasks going on regarding that |
| 22:46.40 | fale | I see |
| 22:46.41 | GAN800 | Feel free to start patching |
| 22:46.49 | fale | GAN800: xd |
| 22:46.57 | GAN800 | Some products are more receptive to patches than others. |
| 22:47.19 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, can you hit with the app manager wiki page? :P |
| 22:47.41 | fale | GAN800: nokia how is with patches? |
| 22:48.18 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Open_Source_Proof_Points ? |
| 22:48.27 | Stskeeps | fale: there's a bugtracker and active devs on it |
| 22:48.56 | GAN800 | wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager |
| 22:48.58 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:49.31 | GAN800 | the collaborative infrastructure page is probably useful too. |
| 22:52.01 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Collaboration_infrastructure |
| 22:54.50 | fale | thx guys |
| 23:02.13 | GAN800 | pokes Stsbot. :p |
| 23:03.20 | Stskeeps | <cursor blinking> |
| 23:03.49 | Stskeeps | adds a bit to the collaboration task |
| 23:03.53 | Stskeeps | +talk |
| 23:04.00 | Stskeeps | (Talk:Task:something really looks screwy.) |
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| 23:20.52 | zakkm | Hi, i connected to a wifi on my N800 and it connected but nothing internet works |
| 23:20.54 | zakkm | strong signal |
| 23:21.04 | zakkm | ifconfig says 192.168.10.104 i got assigned |
| 23:21.53 | Stskeeps | is there a gateway and is it pingable? |
| 23:22.10 | Stskeeps | (netstat -rn) |
| 23:22.21 | zakkm | bcast( gateway i believe? ) 192.168.10.255 |
| 23:22.24 | zakkm | oh wait |
| 23:22.35 | Stskeeps | nah, that's broadcast :P |
| 23:22.52 | zakkm | 192.168.10.1 |
| 23:22.57 | Stskeeps | is it pingable? |
| 23:22.59 | zakkm | for gateway |
| 23:23.02 | zakkm | uhh ill try |
| 23:23.06 | zakkm | trying now |
| 23:23.31 | zakkm | yes |
| 23:23.34 | zakkm | its pinging |
| 23:23.41 | zakkm | it used to work like 5 hours ago even ... |
| 23:24.17 | zakkm | no packet loss from pining, round trip min/avg/max = 2.9/19.9/26.4 ms |
| 23:24.55 | Stskeeps | well then it's either a DNS issue or the gw won't let you pass |
| 23:24.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:25.14 | zakkm | i can get into router settings |
| 23:25.18 | zakkm | if i goto the gateway as i site |
| 23:25.25 | zakkm | it works |
| 23:25.41 | zakkm | wait i got disconnected, and now its not a choice -.- |
| 23:26.08 | zakkm | oh nevermind |
| 23:26.09 | zakkm | connected |
| 23:26.16 | zakkm | im in the dynamic DHCP list |
| 23:26.19 | zakkm | in router settings. |
| 23:27.16 | zakkm | Stskeeps: any ideas? |
| 23:28.14 | Stskeeps | ping www.yahoo.com returns what? :P |
| 23:28.40 | zakkm | nothing |
| 23:28.47 | zakkm | it doesnt return anything |
| 23:29.13 | zakkm | in router settings, it doesnt look like anything is blocking my nokia? |
| 23:29.23 | Stskeeps | ping 84.238.11.16? |
| 23:30.04 | zakkm | 56 data bytes |
| 23:30.06 | zakkm | only 1 line |
| 23:30.15 | Stskeeps | mm, then no ip connection through |
| 23:30.19 | Stskeeps | route problem then |
| 23:30.21 | Stskeeps | router |
| 23:30.31 | zakkm | on the nokia though |
| 23:30.34 | zakkm | in router settings, from nokia |
| 23:30.40 | zakkm | it shows i got a ip address |
| 23:30.45 | zakkm | and its the same one from ifconfig |
| 23:31.00 | zakkm | it worked like 5 hours ago, thats what i dont understand |
| 23:31.31 | zakkm | i just got assigned a different ip |
| 23:32.39 | zakkm | Stskeeps: are you saying they're not connected to internet, that its just a router sitting there? |
| 23:32.47 | zakkm | or is it a nokia problem ? |
| 23:32.59 | zakkm | or a router setting i have to change. |
| 23:34.36 | Stskeeps | router problem, you can ping it fine, but no access beyond it |
| 23:34.37 | Stskeeps | brb |
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| 23:41.42 | cyrus__ | Anyoe here experienced with kernel programming? I have a fairly simple question. In one of my files I have an include statement (#include <asm/arch/dsp.h> and when compiling it says it can't be found. Simple solution should be, well that file doesn't exist. However, there is another include #include <asm/arch/mmc.h> which doesn't exist either but when compiling it doesn't complain |
| 23:46.37 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
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