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| 00:04.37 | Stskeeps | okay. maybe a stupid question. what happens if i have a package that as a postinst sets up some symlinks, like /a -> /b (symlinks are -not- in package), and i have a package that comes with /a, does /b get overwritten then, or does dpkg do the sane thing and remove the symlink, and -then- replace? |
| 00:05.01 | Robot101 | neither |
| 00:05.14 | Stskeeps | .. neither? |
| 00:05.15 | Robot101 | wait, no |
| 00:05.17 | Robot101 | it depends |
| 00:05.33 | Robot101 | if a is a directory, no. dpkg doesn't interchange directories and symlinks |
| 00:05.41 | Stskeeps | it's a file in this case |
| 00:05.48 | Robot101 | if a is a file, then it will unlink the symlink and replace it with a file, I believe |
| 00:06.28 | Stskeeps | mmkay |
| 00:08.00 | Robot101 | actually it creates a.dpkg-new, then does link('a', 'a.dpkg-old') then rename('a.dpkg-new', 'a') |
| 00:08.10 | Robot101 | then unlink('a.dpkg-old') |
| 00:08.16 | Robot101 | something like that |
| 00:09.20 | Stskeeps | k |
| 00:09.22 | Stskeeps | thanks |
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| 00:40.39 | timeless | :se noai |
| 00:40.39 | timeless | a:se ai |
| 00:42.21 | timeless | so, no takers? |
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| 02:20.37 | zakkm | Is there any way to get the USB networking from nokia n800, working on Mac OSX? |
| 02:20.47 | zakkm | (It works successfully on schools pc, but thats windows) |
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| 02:52.08 | disco_stu | hi every1 |
| 02:52.47 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: are you around ? |
| 02:52.55 | GeneralAntilles | Watching the Office |
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| 02:53.29 | tank-man | american or british? |
| 02:53.31 | tank-man | :) |
| 02:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | US |
| 02:54.24 | disco_stu | today i flashed with diablo |
| 02:54.30 | disco_stu | after booting |
| 02:54.34 | disco_stu | i removed pre-installed-sounds 1.0.4 [4331kB] |
| 02:54.37 | disco_stu | and images a videos |
| 02:54.54 | disco_stu | now i'm installing wget and it complains that pre-installed-sounds 1.0.4 [4331kB] is missing |
| 02:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | Removing the package is the wrong way to go about it |
| 02:55.27 | GeneralAntilles | osso-software-version-rx34 depends on it |
| 02:55.33 | disco_stu | in chinoook it worket that way |
| 02:55.35 | GeneralAntilles | Just delete the media files out of MyDogs |
| 02:55.41 | disco_stu | ok |
| 02:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, well, Chinook doesn't have automatic system updates. |
| 02:55.52 | disco_stu | i se.. |
| 02:55.57 | disco_stu | s/se/see/ |
| 02:55.58 | GeneralAntilles | System updates are pushed when o-s-v is updated |
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| 02:56.10 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia may be dropping the media dependencies from o-s-v sometime in the future |
| 02:56.15 | GeneralAntilles | So the issue may resolve itself |
| 02:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | but for now. . . . |
| 02:56.21 | disco_stu | im about to try rotation right now |
| 02:56.24 | disco_stu | im so excited |
| 02:56.33 | GeneralAntilles | outpo.st/rotate |
| 02:56.58 | disco_stu | the problems of losing video with rotation are solved, right ? |
| 02:57.33 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: that web says it isnt working |
| 02:57.46 | disco_stu | was going to try with: http://www.sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 02:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't work from the Application Manager like we'd like it to. |
| 02:57.53 | GeneralAntilles | No, use the one I linked |
| 02:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | Just click the .install |
| 02:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | then do an apt-get -f install |
| 02:58.13 | disco_stu | ok |
| 02:58.29 | disco_stu | will it flash ? |
| 02:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it'll work fine. |
| 02:58.53 | disco_stu | today i got my new battery for the n800 |
| 02:58.57 | disco_stu | im very happy |
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| 03:01.27 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: what is the 48Mhz thing about ? |
| 03:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ups the clock on the SD cards |
| 03:01.55 | GeneralAntilles | May increase speed somewhat |
| 03:01.58 | GeneralAntilles | Probably not worth it |
| 03:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't work with some cards |
| 03:02.18 | disco_stu | the link you provided includes it i think |
| 03:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | The default kernel doesn't |
| 03:03.22 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: anyway to get USB networking working on Mac OSX? |
| 03:03.31 | disco_stu | zakkm: hi fellow |
| 03:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, I wasn't successful the last time I tried. |
| 03:03.37 | zakkm | disco_stu: hi |
| 03:03.57 | disco_stu | zakkm: why dont you install ubuntu in your mac |
| 03:04.00 | disco_stu | ;D |
| 03:04.00 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: in school on the skool pc it worked, |
| 03:04.02 | disco_stu | would be nicer |
| 03:04.03 | zakkm | eww |
| 03:04.05 | zakkm | i hate ubuntu |
| 03:04.07 | zakkm | too bloated -.- |
| 03:04.22 | zakkm | i got gentoo on my 250gb |
| 03:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | Or just talk your parents into a router. |
| 03:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | Break the old one. |
| 03:04.51 | zakkm | We used to have, thought we did when i bought the nokia |
| 03:04.57 | zakkm | but my dad said it was broken, and gone |
| 03:05.29 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i clicked the .install |
| 03:05.39 | disco_stu | but now complains about dependencies |
| 03:05.53 | zakkm | disco_stu: all the repositories on?, just a guess |
| 03:05.56 | GeneralAntilles | Just tap through it then run apt-get -f install in xterm |
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| 03:09.57 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i doest install at all |
| 03:10.05 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: Would there be any driver or something to make it work? |
| 03:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get install rotation-support |
| 03:10.18 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, google it. |
| 03:10.25 | GeneralAntilles | I don't remember |
| 03:10.49 | zakkm | brings up nothing. |
| 03:11.03 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=usbnet+os+x |
| 03:11.31 | disco_stu | zakkm: i have a cheap wireless router i dont use, if you lived here i would lend it to you |
| 03:11.41 | zakkm | i live in Toronto, ON |
| 03:11.56 | disco_stu | 10.000km away |
| 03:12.01 | zakkm | sweet |
| 03:12.04 | disco_stu | less |
| 03:12.14 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i doesnt work |
| 03:12.20 | disco_stu | s/i/it/ |
| 03:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | Is there an error? |
| 03:12.42 | disco_stu | cant find pkg rotation-support |
| 03:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hang on |
| 03:13.43 | zakkm | This is an USB driver for MacOS X to connect handheld devices like the Sharp Zaurus, Yopy, iPAQ, Motorola Linux phones, OpenMoko to MacOS X as an IP device via the USB cable. This allows to use telnet, ssh, SMB etc. to access the Zaurus. |
| 03:13.50 | zakkm | would that work, possibly? |
| 03:13.59 | disco_stu | yes |
| 03:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, apt-get install rotation-support-n800 |
| 03:14.37 | disco_stu | now it is downloading, thanks man |
| 03:14.41 | disco_stu | :) |
| 03:15.55 | disco_stu | iou like three or four beers |
| 03:15.55 | disco_stu | now its done |
| 03:15.55 | disco_stu | with the package installation |
| 03:15.56 | disco_stu | whats next ? |
| 03:15.56 | disco_stu | rebooting ? |
| 03:16.01 | disco_stu | i didnt see any flashing ? |
| 03:16.20 | GeneralAntilles | Restart after it's done |
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| 03:17.40 | disco_stu | when i fly to florida i'll invite you some beers |
| 03:17.40 | disco_stu | :D |
| 03:18.01 | disco_stu | wow i've rotation ;D;D;D |
| 03:18.06 | disco_stu | thanks man |
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| 03:19.57 | disco_stu | i rotated while playing a video and everything died |
| 03:19.57 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:20.22 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: one thing |
| 03:20.23 | disco_stu | it seems that the screen lose some clearliness |
| 03:20.48 | GeneralAntilles | Not normally rotated |
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| 03:24.55 | disco_stu | i think yes |
| 03:25.24 | disco_stu | well rotation isnt that cool now that i use it |
| 03:25.26 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:25.36 | disco_stu | browser is great |
| 03:25.40 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I could've told you that. ;) |
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| 03:27.52 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:29.48 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: |
| 03:30.11 | disco_stu | now in the catalog i see os2008 feature upgrade |
| 03:30.21 | disco_stu | 2 of them about 9mb each |
| 03:30.24 | disco_stu | ? |
| 03:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | cause you killed o-s-v |
| 03:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 03:31.36 | disco_stu | so if i get one of these i'll lose rotation and get to stock |
| 03:32.03 | disco_stu | ? |
| 03:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 03:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | That's why you're installing -unlocked |
| 03:33.23 | disco_stu | i mean if i get other but unlocked |
| 03:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | Not unlocked will conflict with rotation |
| 03:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | -unlocked has depends >= |
| 03:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | Not unlocked is depends = |
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| 03:34.11 | disco_stu | but wont brick the distro, right ? |
| 03:34.17 | zakkm | what distro? |
| 03:34.24 | disco_stu | maemo |
| 03:34.27 | zakkm | o. |
| 03:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 03:34.59 | GeneralAntilles | That's why I'm telling you to install it. ;) |
| 03:35.11 | disco_stu | again.. |
| 03:35.27 | zakkm | is there "diablo nightly"? or something |
| 03:35.32 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 03:35.47 | disco_stu | if i fell i dont want rotation anymore.. i can grab the one with no unlocked |
| 03:35.54 | disco_stu | and everything should be fine |
| 03:37.58 | disco_stu | zakkm: did you make the usb net work ? |
| 03:38.07 | zakkm | not in mac |
| 03:38.08 | disco_stu | i tried here and worked like a charm |
| 03:38.14 | zakkm | it works on windows, but i cant stand using windows |
| 03:38.22 | disco_stu | i use ubuntu |
| 03:38.25 | zakkm | I have Mac OSX, and no im not dualbooting |
| 03:38.36 | zakkm | i left linux along time ago ( except of course maemo ) |
| 03:38.43 | disco_stu | zakkm: why dont you use VM |
| 03:38.59 | disco_stu | vmware, or virtualbox |
| 03:39.07 | zakkm | because mac wont detect it, therefore windows in a VM wont |
| 03:39.08 | disco_stu | a silly windows inside |
| 03:39.11 | disco_stu | and voila |
| 03:39.18 | zakkm | i dont have the pc power either |
| 03:39.22 | zakkm | my computer is slow |
| 03:39.41 | disco_stu | windows hosted in a mac can take full control of a usb port |
| 03:39.43 | zakkm | 1gb ram isnt so called ideal for virtual machining |
| 03:40.00 | disco_stu | yeees |
| 03:40.04 | disco_stu | 1gb is a lot |
| 03:40.05 | zakkm | but mac would have to recognize it as something first, wouldn't it? |
| 03:40.08 | disco_stu | no |
| 03:40.09 | zakkm | not have a driver |
| 03:40.10 | zakkm | but recognize it |
| 03:40.19 | disco_stu | mac doesnt have to do anything |
| 03:40.31 | zakkm | and in mac, vmware has full 3d acceleration. |
| 03:40.39 | zakkm | so vmware would beat virtualbox in this case. |
| 03:40.55 | zakkm | im used to vmware and virtualbox, even qemu btw. |
| 03:40.55 | disco_stu | too bad it isnt opersource |
| 03:41.20 | zakkm | i just thought it "shared" it with the virtual machine |
| 03:41.28 | zakkm | not virtual machine takes it over? |
| 03:41.46 | disco_stu | you define the behavior |
| 03:42.01 | zakkm | vmware for mac too? |
| 03:42.21 | disco_stu | guess so, havent tried in mac |
| 03:42.26 | disco_stu | since mac is for girls |
| 03:42.28 | disco_stu | and old people |
| 03:42.30 | zakkm | ? |
| 03:42.37 | zakkm | ubuntu is for lazy ppl XD |
| 03:42.54 | zakkm | that want to try linux but dont want to learn XD |
| 03:42.59 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, watch yourself. ;) |
| 03:43.03 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:43.12 | disco_stu | zakkm: i use linux since 1999 |
| 03:43.16 | zakkm | im not saying you |
| 03:43.16 | disco_stu | so, dont bother |
| 03:43.19 | zakkm | i meant the distro itself |
| 03:43.28 | zakkm | lol |
| 03:43.30 | zakkm | you guys are experts |
| 03:43.43 | zakkm | i just meant ubuntu is suppose to be "easy" its for "newbies" |
| 03:43.54 | zakkm | that was the point of it in my opinion |
| 03:43.56 | disco_stu | ubuntu is good when looking for a distro you can reinstall in 15minutes and everything works out of the box |
| 03:44.02 | zakkm | lies |
| 03:44.08 | zakkm | out of box my ass |
| 03:44.20 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:44.30 | disco_stu | with standard hardware of course.. |
| 03:44.31 | zakkm | my old motherboard, didnt have LAN support in ubuntu till 8.04.1 ... and its onboard LAN |
| 03:44.34 | zakkm | -.- |
| 03:44.50 | zakkm | old = had a 1.6ghz cpu in it , x64 |
| 03:45.10 | zakkm | not only that, it wouldnt boot at all.. even the livecd |
| 03:46.31 | zakkm | ubuntu is far from work out of box -.- |
| 03:46.55 | disco_stu | zakkm: you had a crappy mobo |
| 03:47.12 | zakkm | no i didnt |
| 03:47.22 | zakkm | i had a d945gclf , atom motherboard |
| 03:47.48 | zakkm | ubuntu doesnt even play mp3 does it? |
| 03:47.58 | zakkm | no xvid/divx out of box |
| 03:48.03 | disco_stu | yes it does |
| 03:48.11 | disco_stu | since 7.04 |
| 03:48.11 | zakkm | CUPS sucks, doesnt even recognize any printer ive tried |
| 03:48.21 | disco_stu | cups is awesome |
| 03:48.26 | zakkm | mac uses cups |
| 03:48.26 | disco_stu | is made by apple |
| 03:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | Not having drivers doesn't make a framework sucks |
| 03:48.36 | zakkm | lol |
| 03:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | s/sucks/suck/ |
| 03:48.39 | zakkm | ubuntu isnt out of box XD |
| 03:49.22 | zakkm | SuSe and Fedora are more out of box |
| 03:49.44 | disco_stu | zakkm: far from true |
| 03:49.56 | disco_stu | deployment is harder with those |
| 03:49.56 | zakkm | ok i havent used those in a long time |
| 03:50.01 | zakkm | they're RPM |
| 03:50.05 | zakkm | i dont like rpm |
| 03:50.14 | zakkm | dont like anything binary for that matter. |
| 03:50.24 | gregorovius | I prefer Hz. |
| 03:50.32 | zakkm | Hz? |
| 03:50.38 | zakkm | Hertz? thats all that comes to mind. |
| 03:50.54 | gregorovius | it was a bad pun, yeah |
| 03:51.04 | gregorovius | RPM=revolutions per minute |
| 03:51.08 | zakkm | oo |
| 03:51.11 | gregorovius | sorry, been studying physics all day |
| 03:51.11 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:51.22 | disco_stu | gregorovius: nice :) |
| 03:51.29 | disco_stu | are you in college ? |
| 03:51.41 | gregorovius | yep |
| 03:51.50 | disco_stu | what are you studying ? |
| 03:51.58 | gregorovius | CS, but i have to take some physics |
| 03:52.35 | disco_stu | the same to me as software engineer |
| 03:52.47 | gregorovius | =) |
| 03:52.50 | gregorovius | gotta reboot |
| 03:56.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org.zip <- maemo.org startup screen for interested parties. |
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| 04:07.15 | disco_stu | weird |
| 04:07.42 | disco_stu | zakkm: you seem to be a very smart boy |
| 04:07.54 | zakkm | wow |
| 04:07.56 | zakkm | again |
| 04:07.59 | zakkm | oh, they came back |
| 04:08.09 | zakkm | disco_stu: why thank you :) |
| 04:08.11 | disco_stu | lol |
| 04:08.38 | zakkm | i dont get told that often, especially by people older ;p |
| 04:08.52 | disco_stu | im just 23 |
| 04:11.12 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: what OS is the maemo.org.zip startup screen for? |
| 04:11.21 | l7 | looks interesting so far |
| 04:11.28 | zakkm | disco_stu: im just 17 XD |
| 04:12.57 | disco_stu | installing ettercap :D:D |
| 04:15.58 | GAN800 | l7, Maemo, of course |
| 04:16.15 | GAN800 | Stick 'em in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/ |
| 04:23.38 | l7 | GAN800: oh, it's for Diablo |
| 04:24.25 | l7 | cool tip though, i am getting tired of looking at that weird default startup screen |
| 04:25.02 | disco_stu | GAN800: just dropping the pixs in that path works ? |
| 04:25.19 | GAN800 | Also: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip for the ATHF fans. |
| 04:25.26 | GAN800 | Yed |
| 04:25.45 | GAN800 | gtk-update-icon-cache or two reboots. |
| 04:27.04 | disco_stu | ,,, but you need to be using theme macosx or something ? |
| 04:28.32 | GAN800 | Just ignore the OS X garbage |
| 04:28.41 | GAN800 | I'm too lazy to purge it. |
| 04:30.59 | disco_stu | zakkm: have you tried galculator ? |
| 04:31.12 | zakkm | no |
| 04:31.15 | zakkm | never heard of it? |
| 04:31.21 | disco_stu | its very nice |
| 04:31.31 | disco_stu | i found it, and i love it |
| 04:31.38 | zakkm | ohh |
| 04:31.40 | zakkm | gnome calculator? |
| 04:32.03 | disco_stu | yes |
| 04:32.04 | zakkm | sorry, watching tv.. brb ;p |
| 04:32.07 | zakkm | yeah i liked it |
| 04:32.11 | disco_stu | mathomatic |
| 04:32.12 | zakkm | never tried on nokia though. |
| 04:32.16 | disco_stu | is very nice either |
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| 05:16.19 | errordeveloper | is it ok to change the uid of the 'user' from 29999 to what i need (1001)? |
| 05:17.28 | errordeveloper | so the memory card fs has the same file premissions when connected to my linux pc |
| 05:18.04 | l7 | GAN800: where in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/ do the startup graphics go? |
| 05:18.54 | l7 | wait, is it /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/ ? |
| 05:19.05 | GAN800 | hildon, yeah, sorry |
| 05:19.38 | l7 | ah |
| 05:19.52 | l7 | i guess that means i have to backup and then overwrite |
| 05:20.35 | l7 | hmm, looking at http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD/control_scripts |
| 05:21.41 | l7 | i think the LCARS theme works by temporarily replacing those files too |
| 05:25.11 | GAN800 | It does |
| 05:25.25 | GAN800 | Just copy the originals somewhere safe if you want. |
| 05:26.16 | l7 | yeah |
| 05:26.23 | l7 | man, i really like using maemo now |
| 05:26.40 | disco_stu | lol |
| 05:26.57 | l7 | it's a little mind blowing how the same OS that runs a server farm or a desktop computer can also run a tablet that fits in your pocket |
| 05:27.11 | l7 | when you stop and think about it |
| 05:27.14 | disco_stu | not he same os |
| 05:27.17 | disco_stu | the same kernel |
| 05:27.36 | l7 | well sort of the same distro |
| 05:27.55 | l7 | if you're thinking of debian / ubuntu |
| 05:28.08 | l7 | same distro roots i guess |
| 05:28.24 | l7 | considering ubuntu runs google and wikipedia's servers |
| 05:28.39 | disco_stu | talking about the kernel it expands more |
| 05:28.46 | l7 | how so? |
| 05:28.52 | disco_stu | you have routers, phones, |
| 05:29.05 | disco_stu | wich dont run a distro like debian or so |
| 05:29.17 | l7 | hmm yeah |
| 05:29.30 | l7 | we should just standardize the world on linux |
| 05:29.46 | disco_stu | we will, some day |
| 05:30.01 | l7 | heh some day |
| 05:30.14 | aspect | fuck, I hope not |
| 05:30.24 | l7 | why? |
| 05:30.34 | aspect | that'd be like having one programming language for everything |
| 05:30.52 | aspect | isn't diversity and specialisation interesting? |
| 05:31.07 | Grackle | linux is diverse and special |
| 05:31.22 | l7 | well it seems sort of like having one language that everyone on earth could speak |
| 05:31.45 | Grackle | like esperanto |
| 05:31.46 | l7 | being able to communicate with everyone, or in this case, any device or computer |
| 05:31.48 | l7 | yeah |
| 05:31.49 | aspect | it's not plan9 or qnx or beos |
| 05:32.00 | aspect | different languages are beautiful |
| 05:32.15 | l7 | sure, but that also means you have language barriers |
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| 05:32.35 | aspect | I have language barriers with large segments of the english-speaking population |
| 05:32.37 | l7 | i guess i'm imagining a future where everyone is computer literate |
| 05:33.08 | aspect | if we were all reduced to the lowest common denominator .. having this conversation would be difficult enough -- how would cutting-edge science get done? |
| 05:33.34 | l7 | i don't see it as reducing everyone to an LCD |
| 05:34.06 | aspect | try learning another language sometime |
| 05:34.12 | l7 | suppose you had the option to teach everyone the basics of computer literacy |
| 05:34.37 | l7 | if you have limited resources, doesn't linux seem like the best OS to standardize on? |
| 05:35.08 | GAN800 | kernels have very little to do with computer literacy |
| 05:35.19 | l7 | i mean other people can go off and do specialized research in theory, and there's plenty of diversity within linux as it is anyway |
| 05:35.23 | GAN800 | Nothing at all, really. |
| 05:37.50 | l7 | well anyway, i was just thinking about how interesting it is that by learning about linux, i get the ability to use a tablet, a desktop, a router or phone and even a server, etc. |
| 05:37.55 | l7 | which is pretty neat |
| 05:38.05 | l7 | dreams of world domination aside |
| 05:38.47 | disco_stu | i changed the startup logo |
| 05:38.51 | disco_stu | with the maemo ones |
| 05:38.58 | disco_stu | not that newat |
| 05:39.02 | disco_stu | neat* |
| 05:39.30 | l7 | i changed the background on that logo to black for kicks |
| 05:43.55 | disco_stu | l7: have you got more images for startup logo ? |
| 05:45.16 | l7 | disco_stu: i just tweaked the colors in my image editor |
| 05:45.29 | l7 | i could upload them somewhere if you want to take a look |
| 05:45.40 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: do you have another themes for startup logos ? |
| 05:45.43 | disco_stu | l7: yes please |
| 05:46.03 | l7 | ok, let me test it to make sure it works |
| 05:48.50 | l7 | okay it doesn't quite look right |
| 05:49.12 | l7 | i'll upload it anyway if someone wants to give me some advice on what went wrong |
| 05:50.09 | GAN800 | disco_stu, only maemo.org and Err |
| 05:50.33 | l7 | http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=e565631803e458faab1eab3e9fa335caa3598cdb44fa1324 |
| 05:51.22 | disco_stu | thanks l7 |
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| 05:52.32 | l7 | np |
| 05:52.36 | l7 | remember it looks funny :) |
| 05:53.57 | l7 | maybe it was the resource forks from using a mac |
| 05:57.11 | l7 | hrm, still messed up |
| 05:57.35 | l7 | the maemo logo gets stuck in the middle of the screen |
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| 06:02.07 | l7 | oh i see, you have to make an image that's the size of the screen |
| 06:02.15 | l7 | if it's not a white background |
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| 06:09.15 | timeless | l7: what is that .zip file? |
| 06:09.49 | timeless | the resource forks were odd |
| 06:09.56 | timeless | picasa's image viewer didn't apppreciate them |
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| 06:14.16 | l7 | timeless: i made it with a mac |
| 06:14.23 | l7 | macs suck! |
| 06:15.58 | disco_stu | what pkg do you use in diablo for usb mode switch ? |
| 06:16.09 | disco_stu | in chinook i had one app to do that |
| 06:16.35 | timeless | yeah, but why make the zip file? |
| 06:18.06 | l7 | dunno, GeneralAntilles uploaded his as zips |
| 06:18.16 | l7 | i can upload it as a folder perhaps |
| 06:18.46 | l7 | i think i've got it fixed |
| 06:19.02 | l7 | ah nice |
| 06:21.28 | l7 | hrm, mediafire doesn't let you upload entire folders |
| 06:21.30 | l7 | annoying |
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| 06:22.22 | timeless | um |
| 06:22.28 | timeless | browsers don't let you upload folders |
| 06:22.51 | l7 | yeah |
| 06:22.58 | l7 | anyway, http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=10adf6e800c89f4fab1eab3e9fa335caabcf2b6afea9da18 is the new version |
| 06:23.27 | l7 | maybe i'll tweak it some more tomorrow |
| 06:24.35 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: how do you control otg in diablo ? |
| 06:24.56 | disco_stu | l7: how it looks ? |
| 06:25.08 | l7 | disco_stu: not bad this time |
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| 06:25.52 | l7 | i can't figure out why the green and white maemo logo pops up after the progress bar ends though |
| 06:27.30 | l7 | oh wait, i used qgn_indi_nokia_hands.png when it should have been a jpg |
| 06:34.23 | l7 | i wonder if it's safe to reboot your tablet every five minutes |
| 06:39.40 | l7 | http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=47b1832e0662af10ab1eab3e9fa335caf4377ca4b04cf826 |
| 06:39.46 | l7 | okay it's fixed |
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| 07:00.23 | tekojo | Morning |
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| 07:18.06 | l7 | is it possible to insert text via ssh into maemo's clipboard? |
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| 07:32.44 | usicow | does anyone know if there's a better way to cache the google maps for maemo-mapper rather than downloading them on the device? It seems extremely slow downloading them on the device, and the CPU stays at 100% the whole time. |
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| 07:40.59 | pupnik | moorning |
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| 07:41.20 | pupnik | i had trouble with that usicow - need someone else to answer that |
| 07:45.38 | Stskeeps | usicow: i think i used a winmapper or something thing originally |
| 07:45.51 | Stskeeps | that did the dling |
| 07:46.01 | Stskeeps | not confidently sure it wasn't for my s-e phone though |
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| 07:57.05 | Mikho | anybody using esbox? Would anyone have any idea why it insists on running autogen.sh every single time I select "build project"? |
| 07:57.22 | Stskeeps | debian packages ocassionally have a tendancy to do that atleast |
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| 08:18.29 | RST38h | moo all |
| 08:19.53 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 08:20.15 | Stskeeps | RST38h: does sb2 qualify as cross-compilation where it doesn't get in the way then? |
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| 08:20.21 | vincenzo88 | Hello all! |
| 08:21.44 | vincenzo88 | I build an application with Qt4 for N810 with Maemo Diablo OS but my menu bar doesn't appear. Someone have a solution to show the menu bar ? |
| 08:23.02 | Stskeeps | doesn't it simply slide into the hildon menu bar? |
| 08:23.08 | Stskeeps | if it's properly hildonized |
| 08:24.39 | vincenzo88 | By default the menu bar is in top left on the windows but when i am in full screen this menu disapear |
| 08:25.31 | vincenzo88 | And i don't know how to slide into the hildon menu bar :p |
| 08:26.22 | chenkai | report said nokia doesn't seem to hildonize Qt4, just leaving what Qt looks like. ok, i'm not quite sure :-P |
| 08:27.36 | vincenzo88 | I will do without so :'( |
| 08:32.12 | chenkai | i've got a question for those who know something about the FM transmitter in N810, can the transmitter emit FM signal besides receiving the FM signal?? Pls forgive my igorance :) thanks |
| 08:32.52 | Stskeeps | it's not a transmitter, it's a receiver |
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| 08:33.32 | chenkai | er-oh~~ |
| 08:36.53 | Stskeeps | a fm transmitter might make it more difficult to sell in some parts of the world :P |
| 08:37.10 | guardian | morning |
| 08:39.31 | chenkai | :) some webpages states that N810 contains THE transmitter but no app make use of that to send FM signal. so i wonder the real meaning of THE transmitter:) |
| 08:39.51 | Stskeeps | n810 doesn't have any fm stuff as far as i know |
| 08:39.55 | Stskeeps | not even a fm receiver |
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| 08:45.17 | chenkai | i see. anyway, no fmradio for N810 any more :'( |
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| 10:07.31 | Stskeeps | ponders idly why his n800 is rebooting spuriously. |
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| 10:20.21 | vincenzo88 | Someone know how to create a executable app with maemo ? (whitout write ./app, i want run my App with double clic) |
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| 10:28.15 | RST38h | vincenzo: Have you been to maemo.org Development section? |
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| 10:31.54 | vincenzo88 | RST38H: i have find the solution : place the app in /var/lib/install/usr and create a file .desktop to integrate the app on the desktop |
| 10:32.19 | vincenzo88 | This solution is for 770 but i think it's work on 810 |
| 10:37.54 | RST38h | But have you been to maemo.org Development section? :) |
| 10:38.36 | vincenzo88 | Yes but i have not read all the content |
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| 10:45.19 | RST38h | wait a moment |
| 10:45.41 | RST38h | General, are you alive? |
| 10:45.53 | RST38h | Or anybody else related to Maemo wiki? |
| 10:47.50 | X-Fade | looks at his karma: Karma 666 |
| 10:52.40 | lardman | X-Fade: lol |
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| 10:53.24 | lardman | I'm not even half way to you |
| 10:53.39 | X-Fade | Quim is approaching 2k. |
| 10:54.07 | lardman | wow, blogging is a good earner |
| 10:54.10 | vincenzo88 | Goodbye everybody! |
| 10:54.27 | lcuk | lardman, i think x-fade cheats ;) |
| 10:54.46 | lardman | well the discussion karma still seems low/broken |
| 10:55.20 | X-Fade | lardman: I'm beginning to think it doesn't like your uppercase email. |
| 10:56.06 | lardman | hmm, case shouldn't matter for emails though ;) |
| 10:56.13 | lardman | but yeah, perhaps |
| 10:56.23 | lardman | though I think my return address is always the same |
| 10:56.36 | X-Fade | Yeah, I checked that once. |
| 10:57.07 | lardman | I'll set Outlook to searching my archive to see what they look like |
| 10:57.13 | lardman | might take a loooonnng while |
| 10:57.14 | X-Fade | Hmm no, it isn't. |
| 10:57.36 | Jaffa | Whoa. GeneralAntilles' karma's jumped. |
| 10:57.44 | X-Fade | You sometimes use SG.P**** and have registered S.G.P*** |
| 10:57.52 | lardman | hmm |
| 10:57.57 | Jaffa | Ah. ITT's now counted. |
| 10:58.05 | X-Fade | So perhaps you should add the SG.P address too. |
| 10:58.24 | lardman | that must be a typo on my part then, it's not a real address |
| 10:58.29 | lardman | let me see where that's come from |
| 10:59.33 | Jaffa | needs to switch his ITT account for 'aflegg' to 'Jaffa'. I think the thanks for Jaffa are more than aflegg |
| 11:01.33 | Jaffa | Post count is lower, though. |
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| 11:01.56 | lardman | X-Fade: do you have a date of one of those emails? |
| 11:02.21 | Jaffa | bops reggie for never answering "can I switch my username?" emails, and maemo.org profiles for only allowing me to specify one account (it's a little edge casey, tho ;-)) |
| 11:02.28 | lardman | ah well, I've only sent ~219 emails, perhaps my karma is right |
| 11:03.03 | X-Fade | lardman: No, those should be giving you 219 karma then. |
| 11:03.13 | lardman | hmm |
| 11:03.30 | lardman | I can't see anything with SG.Pickering@ etc. |
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| 11:04.01 | X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, weird. They show up in the site search. |
| 11:04.25 | lardman | you can search for that string and it also returns S.G.Pickering... |
| 11:04.48 | X-Fade | Yes, but it really shows SG.P |
| 11:05.04 | lardman | can you give me a title/date for one and I'll look at it here? |
| 11:05.14 | X-Fade | But searching my own mails, doesn't give me any results. |
| 11:05.22 | lardman | weird |
| 11:05.31 | X-Fade | So I guess that is a google mini searchbox glitch. |
| 11:07.24 | lardman | ah well, not to worry |
| 11:07.51 | X-Fade | lardman: But we still need to fix the forums, and this is where karma count is done. |
| 11:08.01 | X-Fade | So it might get fixed automatically. |
| 11:08.24 | lardman | forums? |
| 11:08.46 | lardman | bbiab |
| 11:08.47 | X-Fade | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ |
| 11:09.13 | X-Fade | But importing is broken for some type of mails. Mime parsing is buggy there. |
| 11:10.35 | Jaffa | Is fixing it committed to a sprint? |
| 11:10.58 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It is a bug for bergie at least. |
| 11:12.21 | X-Fade | And the styling needs to be fixed too, but I'm not going to do that while we haven't upgraded yet. |
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| 11:19.55 | Jaffa | X-Fade: just a bit disappointing that it seems, like a lot of stuff, to be sort of done; but not quite finished enough to be actually useful- so therefore can't be advertised. |
| 11:20.54 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm with you, but the thing is testing this takes sooooo much time on a overloaded server. This needs to be fixed first. |
| 11:21.33 | X-Fade | If the whole server issue was fixed earlier I wouldn't have lost about 3 months of development time :( |
| 11:22.22 | Jaffa | :( |
| 11:22.38 | Jaffa | The server stuff seems to be dragging on too, although this may have been covered in the sprint meeting I couldn't make. |
| 11:22.41 | Jaffa | Hmm, is the log up yet? |
| 11:22.52 | X-Fade | Sure, I always upload logs ;) |
| 11:23.21 | Jaffa | Can we ensure - although admittedly perhaps this should /really/ be done by the chair - that as soon as the logs go up, -community is emailed saying it works? |
| 11:23.51 | X-Fade | What works? |
| 11:24.26 | X-Fade | Logs are always linked here: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ |
| 11:25.15 | Jaffa | OK, but that's not my point. |
| 11:25.56 | Jaffa | My point is that a) they're not going to be up immediately (or are they?); and this location should be communicated at the same time (either with the invite, or when the logs are available) as themeeting. |
| 11:26.55 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, I guess we need a secretary :) |
| 11:27.04 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Volunteering? :) |
| 11:29.12 | RST38h | X-Fade: Looks like Maemo.org development section is now missing lots of howtos |
| 11:29.22 | RST38h | Something happened? |
| 11:29.56 | Jaffa | X-Fade: whomever uploads the logs is, by definition, the secretary - as it's the only secretarial task we've got ;-p |
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| 11:32.28 | camel_liu | Did anybody meet the problem: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 11:33.08 | camel_liu | when I use SDL_mixer and init audio |
| 11:34.42 | camel_liu | I met this problem. Then my ubuntu cannot play audio anymore |
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| 11:48.49 | lelux | Hello, what is user passwd in 2008? Trying to ssh user@n800host which prompt passwd but i don't know it. |
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| 11:49.22 | lardman | try root, password is rootme |
| 11:49.34 | lelux | ok |
| 11:50.13 | RST38h | ehlo lardman |
| 11:50.49 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 11:51.44 | camel_liu | hi lardman, when I use SDL_mixer, I met: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 11:51.59 | camel_liu | Do you have any idea? |
| 11:52.02 | lardman | camel_liu: not my specialty |
| 11:52.23 | camel_liu | oh |
| 11:53.05 | lardman | sorry |
| 11:53.38 | Stskeeps | mm, bacon in pasta sald++ |
| 11:53.40 | Stskeeps | salad |
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| 11:54.03 | lardman | :) |
| 11:54.52 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 11:54.58 | slapin | robtaylor, ping |
| 11:55.38 | robtaylor | slapin: pong? |
| 11:55.54 | slapin | robtaylor, hi, how things are? |
| 11:57.15 | robtaylor | slapin: not too bad! busy busy busy! |
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| 11:58.56 | slapin | robtaylor, could you please answer question sent by private message? |
| 11:59.14 | slapin | robtaylor, sorry for bothering you |
| 12:01.47 | RST38h | Hehe, Google patched Android jailbreak |
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| 12:02.47 | Stskeeps | and that's why i love our maemo. |
| 12:03.09 | RST38h | Sts: ain't you a deblet man? |
| 12:03.37 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well, i'm also a maemo user |
| 12:03.47 | Stskeeps | there are things maemo has done right and some they haven't |
| 12:03.59 | Stskeeps | and ability to fuck everything completely up is there |
| 12:04.05 | Stskeeps | and that's a good thing |
| 12:04.33 | Stskeeps | like, shell access, root access, add ssh if you want, manipulate themes etc |
| 12:04.42 | Stskeeps | a lot of possibilities |
| 12:04.52 | slapin | too bad you can't fuck bootloader up using flasher :( |
| 12:05.18 | RST38h | does /names #maemo and looks at the possibilities |
| 12:05.22 | Stskeeps | it's possible inside mtd anyway as far as i can recall |
| 12:05.35 | Stskeeps | but you could brick it totally |
| 12:05.45 | RST38h | Yea, so many little tablets to break in =)~ |
| 12:05.47 | slapin | by the way, is it possible to cold flash device 'at home' or some high-tech patented technology needed? |
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| 12:05.59 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 12:06.02 | Stskeeps | no clue, never went that far |
| 12:06.29 | Khertan_n810 | Does someone know how to convert a gtk.gdk.Color to a #rrggbb string ? |
| 12:06.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty might know |
| 12:06.36 | Khertan_n810 | pygtk.org is down |
| 12:06.57 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: .to_string() |
| 12:07.05 | Khertan_n810 | and googlecache doesn t help |
| 12:07.08 | Stskeeps | The to_string() method returns a textual specification of color in the hexadecimal form #rrrrggggbbbb, where r, g and b are hex digits representing the red, green and blue components respectively |
| 12:07.14 | Stskeeps | according to "text only version" |
| 12:07.29 | Khertan_n810 | .__str__() return a gdk.Color object |
| 12:08.52 | Khertan_n810 | __str__() is the python to_string() |
| 12:09.42 | Stskeeps | pygtk api says to_string() :P |
| 12:09.46 | Stskeeps | and i know |
| 12:09.51 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 12:10.04 | Stskeeps | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:12oKppV3LE4J:pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkcolor.html+gtk+gdk+color&hl=da&gl=dk&strip=1 |
| 12:10.17 | Khertan_n810 | gdk.Color has now method .to_string() |
| 12:10.22 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:10.30 | Khertan_n810 | s_now_no |
| 12:10.32 | Stskeeps | it may not work cos it's gtk 2.12, i'm not sure maemo has that yet |
| 12:10.34 | Khertan_n810 | s/now/no |
| 12:11.20 | Khertan_n810 | 2.14 |
| 12:11.33 | Khertan_n810 | 2.14.1 to be extact |
| 12:11.38 | Khertan_n810 | exact |
| 12:11.39 | suihkulokki | slapin: http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php |
| 12:11.46 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:12.34 | Khertan_n810 | strange |
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| 12:13.50 | yerga | Khertan_n810, try with gtk.gdk.Color.blue, and the same with red and green |
| 12:14.00 | Stskeeps | heh, talk about a neat hack (the serial console one) |
| 12:14.03 | RST38h | likes the battery thermistor mention at that page |
| 12:14.29 | RST38h | So, basically, as soon as the Li battery goes over some temperature, the device will stop using it |
| 12:14.46 | slapin | suihkulokki, thanks a lot! |
| 12:14.49 | Stskeeps | slapin: could consider a n800 instead to do it on, seems to be easier to reach serial on it |
| 12:14.53 | Khertan_n810 | yerga : this is a way but need convert as is 65535 base |
| 12:17.29 | yerga | ah, yeah, you need the hex number |
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| 12:21.08 | Khertan_n810 | hex(c.blue/255)[2:4] |
| 12:21.51 | Khertan_n810 | but for high level language and api it s not really a good way _) |
| 12:21.53 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 12:22.18 | yerga | Khertan_n810, gtk.color_selection_palette_to_string([gdk.Color[]) returns the complete hex number |
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| 12:22.50 | Khertan_n810 | ah it s better :) |
| 12:23.04 | yerga | yeah, not workarounds |
| 12:23.13 | yerga | I had it in some app for maemo |
| 12:24.03 | Khertan_n810 | héhé |
| 12:24.18 | Khertan_n810 | what this error means : |
| 12:24.19 | Khertan_n810 | GtkWarning: gtk_font_selection_set_font_name: assertion `gtk_widget_has_screen (GTK_WIDGET (fontsel))' failed |
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| 12:24.37 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
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| 12:25.01 | yerga | no idea |
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| 12:26.56 | Khertan_n810 | thx for help |
| 12:27.12 | melmoth | Khertan_n810, something called gtk_font_selection_set_font_name. This function check that the fontsel widget has a screen..And it did not. |
| 12:27.38 | Khertan_n810 | yep that the part i understand |
| 12:27.46 | melmoth | well, it does not mean anything more :) |
| 12:28.06 | Khertan_n810 | but the one i dont is why it don t have a screen |
| 12:29.06 | melmoth | i dont know exactly what "screen" mean in a font context anyway. I guess looking at what gtk_widget_has_sceen mean is the next step |
| 12:29.36 | Khertan_n810 | ok i ll look |
| 12:29.37 | Khertan_n810 | thx |
| 12:29.39 | Khertan_n810 | coming back to office |
| 12:29.41 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
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| 12:32.58 | Jaffa | Oh, how I love ITT: "Problem saving to /usr/local/bin" |
| 12:35.57 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 13:16.26 | lcuk | had chicken today, doesn't taste like bacon |
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| 13:49.57 | RST38h | lcuk: Bacon: http://ars.sdstate.edu/swineext/Photos/ThreePiglets.jpg |
| 13:50.17 | RST38h | lcuk: And judging from its eyes, it *knows* it's bacon =) |
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| 13:55.29 | robtaylor | tasty tasty bacon |
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| 13:55.59 | Stskeeps | there better be bacon on next maemo summit.. |
| 13:56.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 13:58.36 | Stskeeps | ponders what to do today. |
| 13:59.03 | RST38h | Sts: hildonize qalculate |
| 13:59.13 | RST38h | Or the linux dc++ client |
| 13:59.37 | Stskeeps | i'd rather do those after we get a sane base system, would make things a lot easier :P |
| 14:00.55 | Stskeeps | think i'll watch southpark first and then get cracking on my idea of booting your emulator from your sb2 rootstrap |
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| 14:17.05 | Stskeeps | .. think people will not be happy about install script of an SDK setting up a NFS server? |
| 14:18.14 | johnx | why does it need an NFS server? |
| 14:18.30 | ShadowJK_ | RST38h, a Li-ion battery gets warmer by using it, a damaged/low quality Li-Ion battery gets much warmer by using it, a Li-Ion battery much warmer than 90C will explode :) Imagine what happens if you make a cheap generic replacement battery and save a penny on using a resistor instead of thermistor :D |
| 14:18.37 | RST38h | johnx: because it is braindamaged |
| 14:18.54 | RST38h | lives in its own "filesystem" and needs NFS to access host fs |
| 14:19.04 | Stskeeps | oh, i wasn't talking about that |
| 14:19.06 | johnx | why won't a bind mount work? |
| 14:19.18 | Stskeeps | i was talking about a qemu emulator booting off the sb2 rootstrap |
| 14:19.25 | ShadowJK_ | I thought NFS to localhost was racy and prone to deadlock on Linux... |
| 14:19.27 | RST38h | Shadow: Ah, fuck the sensors, add the cameras so that we can watch those batteries explode! |
| 14:19.56 | RST38h | NFS sucks moose balls, but in this case it is not the NFS to blame |
| 14:19.57 | Stskeeps | but as i see this may not be directly sane :) |
| 14:19.58 | ShadowJK_ | RST38h, youtube is full of "Let's overcharge lithium batteries and watch the fireworks" videos |
| 14:20.03 | johnx | maybe something a little more lightweight like sshfs would be better... |
| 14:20.21 | Stskeeps | yeah, but can a linux kernel boot from that? maybe through a initfs :P |
| 14:20.39 | johnx | ah, I see |
| 14:20.47 | RST38h | Sts,johnx: Gentlemen, may I ask why you would need NFS in the SDK (assuming it is what you are talking about) |
| 14:21.15 | johnx | using qemu system for the emulator instead of qemu user mode |
| 14:21.25 | johnx | qemu user mode is the one that only kinda works and you hate it :) |
| 14:21.27 | RST38h | Sts: qemu should have direct access to the restricted part of your host fs |
| 14:21.43 | RST38h | Sts: no nfs, no sshfs, etc |
| 14:21.46 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well, i'm just exploring the option of booting a real system instead of just binaries, from your roots |
| 14:22.05 | Stskeeps | i'm speaking of the system emulator, not the elf binary emulation layer |
| 14:22.06 | RST38h | Ah |
| 14:22.09 | RST38h | Ok |
| 14:22.26 | Stskeeps | but i'm starting to slide towards a jffs2 image or the likes would be more sane.. |
| 14:22.37 | Stskeeps | and some tools to aid this |
| 14:23.01 | johnx | jffs2 image seems a little painful to setup |
| 14:23.09 | johnx | how about a disk img? |
| 14:23.16 | Stskeeps | also possible |
| 14:24.39 | Stskeeps | -mtdblock -sd, etc |
| 14:26.36 | johnx | right, for some reason I keep thinking we'll just emulate a versatile-pb with IDE. I guess it would make sense to just have a loopback jffs2 image then? |
| 14:28.10 | Stskeeps | well IDE + hd image can work too.. the problem about loopback jffs2 means we need to be root to run sdk, - i need to edit proposal a bit since the NFS way isn't exactly sane after some exploring :P |
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| 14:28.25 | Stskeeps | i'm thinking we simply target a versatile-pb with the generic m-r platform at first |
| 14:28.33 | Stskeeps | and then we can do specialized packages to actually boot stuff |
| 14:28.45 | lardman|afk | qalculate, that;s a good idea, does it compile for ARM these days? |
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| 14:29.00 | RST38h | lardman: qwerty says it compiled but crashed on startu |
| 14:29.11 | lardman | RST38h: ok, cool |
| 14:29.12 | RST38h | lardman: unfortunately he had no time/expertise to see why |
| 14:29.22 | lardman | where is the boy hey? |
| 14:29.32 | RST38h | lardman: dc++ client also compiles but crashes when asking for credentials |
| 14:29.36 | lardman | I'll have to ping him later on |
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| 14:30.12 | RST38h | lardman: Either should be worthy addition |
| 14:30.59 | lardman | I had these issues when I tried a long while back: http://www.ginac.de/pipermail/cln-list/2007-February/000267.html |
| 14:31.08 | lardman | dc++ is some M$ file sharing thing? |
| 14:35.26 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 14:35.31 | Stskeeps | direct connect |
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| 14:37.57 | lelux | is there dc++ client for maemo? what about torrent client? |
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| 14:39.55 | johnx | transmission for torrents |
| 14:42.05 | lelux | so it seems thanx |
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| 14:47.55 | RST38h | transmission kinda sucketh |
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| 14:48.58 | woglinde | hi |
| 14:51.06 | RST38h | Lenovo saw its profits take a dive in the last quarter <=== DIES, Lenovo, DIE |
| 14:51.53 | johnx | RST38h, still cranky about your work laptop? |
| 14:52.23 | RST38h | johnx: Absolutely. It's shit. |
| 14:52.41 | RST38h | johnx: Especially considering that people are getting reasonably useful HPs |
| 14:52.59 | johnx | I did actually play with an x200 in a store. Can't seem to find much wrong with it initially |
| 14:53.26 | RST38h | Dunno, I have got a T61 |
| 14:53.45 | johnx | I can't see bothering with their bigger ones |
| 14:54.20 | RST38h | And I sincerely hope that as soon as Lenovo's remaining corporate supply contracts run out, it will die quick and painful death |
| 14:54.38 | johnx | let me get an x200 first :P |
| 14:55.10 | aquatix | x200 is rather nice |
| 14:55.21 | aquatix | but i like the x61 screen better i think |
| 14:55.34 | aquatix | wants a x61 with 1400x1050 screen |
| 14:55.50 | aquatix | but those are only in tablet form, and damn expensive |
| 14:55.56 | RST38h | johnx: screw x200, get a toshiba r-series |
| 14:56.15 | johnx | RST38h, give me a model number |
| 14:56.25 | RST38h | R600, R500 if you are saving money |
| 14:57.07 | woglinde | whats nice on hp you have seperate hw keys for disabling bt and wlan |
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| 14:57.23 | woglinde | most lenovo have only one for both |
| 14:57.42 | RST38h | woglinde: fucked up lenovo disables ethernet when you switch lan on |
| 14:57.47 | RST38h | wlan sorry |
| 14:57.56 | woglinde | RST38h hm |
| 14:57.57 | aquatix | likes the Samsung x360: http://www.engadget.com/photos/samsung-x360-handled-fights-macbook-air-to-the-death/1004432/ and http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/28/samsung-debuts-x360-lighter-than-air-ultraportable/ |
| 14:58.07 | woglinde | RST38h didnt see this with an x61s |
| 14:58.07 | RST38h | it is also impossible to remove it from the dock without losing display configuration |
| 14:58.27 | johnx | sounds a lot like windows problems ... |
| 14:58.32 | RST38h | its system "sooftware" goes absolute nuts |
| 14:58.51 | RST38h | johnx: Not windows, but the crappy software layer that Lenovo supplies |
| 14:59.04 | johnx | just saying it's not something I'd run into |
| 14:59.21 | RST38h | johnx: Well, I am running into it several times a day |
| 14:59.44 | johnx | jeez! an r500 starts at $1500? |
| 15:00.30 | RST38h | Yea, they have got a $1500 model |
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| 15:00.42 | RST38h | No CDROM, AFAIK, but I never cared about CDROM anyway |
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| 15:01.02 | johnx | that's a bit high... |
| 15:01.25 | johnx | at that price I might as well just get a Mac |
| 15:01.31 | RST38h | johnx: I am using R100 as a desktop replacement, it is worth every penny of those $1800 |
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| 15:03.29 | johnx | no trackpoint, slow CPU, no express card, and an ancient intel graphics chip for $1500 does not sound like an awesome deal |
| 15:04.01 | RST38h | Well, get an R600 |
| 15:04.11 | RST38h | In a few months, it will cost the same $1500 |
| 15:04.47 | johnx | ...or an x200 which costs $1100 now |
| 15:06.30 | johnx | anyways, not worth worrying about at this point |
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| 15:07.50 | RST38h | Except that it is twice heavier and runs out of battery 25% faster |
| 15:08.10 | RST38h | And of course looks like it is designed by Soviets and built by Chinese |
| 15:08.31 | johnx | my laptop doesn't need to be a fashion accessory |
| 15:09.02 | RST38h | Neither does mine, but it shouldn't be THAT offensively ugly either |
| 15:09.23 | suihkulokki | RST38h: hey, "Type 56" is excellent, that recipe can work ;) |
| 15:09.32 | johnx | I've always liked the thinkpad design actually |
| 15:09.46 | johnx | maybe, just maybe taste in design might be subjective :P |
| 15:10.06 | RST38h | Here: http://www.notebookreview.com/picture.asp?f=34779 |
| 15:10.21 | RST38h | You can clearly see what happens when you let Chinese manage the design process |
| 15:10.37 | johnx | I've used one quite extensively in a store actually |
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| 15:13.23 | aquatix | RST38h: hm, designed by Soviets and built by Chinese... isn't that the perfect linux machine? ;) |
| 15:13.47 | aquatix | for the people by the people :) |
| 15:14.21 | johnx | heh...or maybe a beagleboard in a workpad z50 case |
| 15:14.27 | RST38h | aquatix: Not really =) |
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| 15:15.13 | aquatix | johnx: :) |
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| 15:19.13 | RST38h | looked at z50: same ugly crap as its bigger brothers |
| 15:19.25 | RST38h | MIPS based with WinCE...umgh |
| 15:19.47 | johnx | mainly for nostalgia |
| 15:19.55 | Stskeeps | heh, docpurge source "Real hackers don't read docs" |
| 15:19.56 | johnx | runs netbsd well enough apparently |
| 15:20.02 | RST38h | yep |
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| 15:22.02 | aquatix | johnx: friend of mine uses one as ssh/irssi terminal |
| 15:22.13 | aquatix | with some bsd on it |
| 15:22.23 | johnx | my zaurus will turn into that at this rate :/ |
| 15:23.30 | RST38h | does it have full qwerty keyboard |
| 15:23.32 | RST38h | ? |
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| 15:23.43 | johnx | both have qwerty |
| 15:24.22 | johnx | the old slide-out zaurus has a 4 row, the convertible tablet ones have a 5 row, but it's JP layout |
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| 15:26.54 | RST38h | has seen that one used by a few Japanese students coming to a conference |
| 15:27.41 | johnx | it's nice enough to type on once you adapt to the keyboard layout |
| 15:28.04 | johnx | sadly, 64MB of RAM just isn't cutting it these days for graphical web browsing |
| 15:28.34 | RST38h | Are Zauri dead now? Now plans to revive the line? |
| 15:28.38 | RST38h | s/Now/No/ |
| 15:28.53 | johnx | Sharp still makes similar handhelds but they don't use Linux |
| 15:29.00 | johnx | s/handhelds/dictionaries/ |
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| 15:55.02 | RST38h | UIQ: As a result, yesterday, its remaining 270 employees were put on notice of dismissal. However Sony Ericsson has agreed to continue funding the company on a by month by month basis in order to allow the company to investigate options for the future. |
| 15:56.29 | RST38h | And people at iTT are basically *mourning* dismissal of some guys from Nokia |
| 15:56.46 | RST38h | Imagine how those 270 UIQ folks must feel =) |
| 15:57.17 | nemo | pity. UIQ seemed like a neat idea |
| 15:57.27 | nemo | 'course, ericsson has been on death watch for a while |
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| 15:58.18 | RST38h | UIQ actually has better, more organized APIs than S60 |
| 15:58.21 | ShadowJK_ | I just can't bring myself the mourn the loss of some symbian perpetrators right now. Although I hope they find a new home somewhere doing something better :) |
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| 15:58.33 | qwerty12 | RST38h, WAY less apps though |
| 15:58.51 | RST38h | Shadow: Ok, let me put it into perspective: It is either Symbian *or* WinMobile. See now? |
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| 15:59.06 | RST38h | qwerty: yes, but UIQ is not to blame for it |
| 15:59.33 | RST38h | Soneric is to blame - they didn't market and they didn't do decent support |
| 15:59.45 | qwerty12 | But the result is still the same in the end. If it dies, I really couldn't care less. |
| 15:59.45 | thopiekar | Could someone please tell me how to work with pluthon on windows ... especialy how to configure copssh... |
| 16:00.12 | RST38h | Eclipse? KILL. |
| 16:00.42 | lardman|afk | qwerty12: just the man, qalculate |
| 16:01.02 | qwerty12 | lardman|afk, I never got it to work :/ |
| 16:01.11 | lardman|afk | what was the problem? |
| 16:01.29 | lardman | your pastebin has expired |
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| 16:01.39 | qwerty12 | It segfaulted as soon as I ran it |
| 16:02.01 | qwerty12 | I got cln compiled and because it took me years, I put up packages to save time: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/cln/ |
| 16:02.20 | thopiekar | is now working on getting pluthon working on andLinux.. |
| 16:02.26 | qwerty12 | That's about it regarding qalculate :/ |
| 16:02.37 | qwerty12 | ~seen penguinbai |
| 16:02.42 | infobot | i haven't seen 'penguinbai', qwerty12 |
| 16:02.42 | qwerty12 | ~seen penguinbait |
| 16:02.43 | infobot | penguinbait <n=smokey@c-68-62-90-22.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 43m 10s ago, saying: 'http://www.kogan.com.au/'. |
| 16:02.51 | RST38h | The U.S. economy shed 240,000 jobs in October and the unemployment rate jumped sharply to 6.5 percent <-- that is 2% of workforce in 1 month |
| 16:03.06 | qwerty12 | grr, it would have been nice if he didn't want to chat while I was sleeping >.< |
| 16:03.06 | lardman | qwerty12: what was the problem with cln? |
| 16:03.19 | RST38h | thopiekar: Better integrate with some decent IDE |
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| 16:03.44 | qwerty12 | lardman, no problems, it compiled fine, just the tests were pisstaking and took way more longer than the actual compile |
| 16:03.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: possible issue though, some pages seem to say versatile fb is 8bit color? |
| 16:03.59 | lardman | qwerty12: ah ok, you tested on device did you? |
| 16:04.33 | johnx | Stskeeps, ahaha...we could still have it display in xephyr I guess |
| 16:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, pong. |
| 16:04.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, i guess that would be the sane solution |
| 16:04.45 | qwerty12 | lardman, hmm, well it installed on device, the program I wanted to test it with segfaulted... But like I said, I've got packages in that folder if you want to test it |
| 16:04.51 | RST38h | Yes, General? |
| 16:04.59 | johnx | Stskeeps, smacks of effort though |
| 16:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, something about the wiki? |
| 16:05.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: hm? |
| 16:05.26 | RST38h | General: Yes, it looks like a bunch of howtos that have previously been in maemo.org development section are no longer there |
| 16:05.28 | thopiekar | hmmm |
| 16:05.36 | RST38h | There is some kind of a short stub but no links |
| 16:05.39 | johnx | Stskeeps, "it seems like it would take effort" |
| 16:05.44 | thopiekar | what system is maemo-garage using? |
| 16:05.50 | thopiekar | svn or cvn? |
| 16:05.51 | lardman | qwerty12: ok, I'll have another go at qalculate this evening, I had problems last time compiling cln |
| 16:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, /development is a Nokia issue, not a wiki issue. |
| 16:06.01 | thopiekar | *cvs |
| 16:06.04 | qwerty12 | thopiekar, svn |
| 16:06.18 | Stskeeps | johnx: .. or we make reference platform n800 :P |
| 16:06.25 | RST38h | General: All the same, some realyl important stuff like writing a hello world app is now missing |
| 16:06.34 | johnx | Stskeeps, that does seem more reasonable, doesn't it? |
| 16:06.37 | RST38h | No idea why |
| 16:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, it doesn't fall under my responsibility. |
| 16:06.45 | GeneralAntilles | File a bug on bugzilla. |
| 16:06.56 | thopiekar | is there a howto to setting up it with eclipse |
| 16:07.09 | Stskeeps | johnx: certainly a way to get things working.. |
| 16:08.18 | RST38h | ok |
| 16:08.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: so reference platform should be a n800 booting off sd as an example i guess |
| 16:09.23 | Stskeeps | (i don't think there's IDE support..) |
| 16:09.33 | qwerty12 | lardman, btw, how's the tube map going? |
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| 16:10.55 | johnx | maybe making a base jffs2 image and having any writes to it happen from inside qemu? |
| 16:11.11 | johnx | maybe run dropbear on it by default for remote access? |
| 16:12.00 | Stskeeps | mm |
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| 16:12.14 | Stskeeps | well, i'm going to try with SD at first, to get things booting, probably easiest right now |
| 16:12.26 | johnx | agreed |
| 16:12.29 | johnx | perfectly reasonable |
| 16:12.53 | johnx | did you package up maemo gtk+ from stage for ubuntu yet? otherwise I'll take a swing and tell you where I run into trouble |
| 16:12.56 | lardman | qwerty12: well I pulled a later version of metromap and it works well |
| 16:13.06 | RST38h | ttg home |
| 16:13.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: not yet, feel free |
| 16:13.06 | lardman | qwerty12: doesn't look like there's much need to do anything |
| 16:13.09 | qwerty12 | cool :) |
| 16:13.46 | lardman | I was meaning to try to contact the dev of the Garage project, I tried emailing him, next step is to ask on the maemo-devel list, and if no reply take ownership of the project |
| 16:13.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: m-r sdk is a bit wonky atm. for some silly reason tcl-dev isn't installable and autoconf looks for tcl.m4... |
| 16:14.03 | lardman | I've been pretty busy though, so was on the backburner |
| 16:14.07 | Stskeeps | (for god knows why, and why is autoconf redirected in sb2?) |
| 16:14.12 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'll just package native for now |
| 16:14.19 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:14.21 | johnx | maybe get some distcc running |
| 16:14.59 | Stskeeps | i'll continue cooking and get a qemu going then |
| 16:16.13 | johnx | heh...that build-dep for libgtk2.0-0 is taking |
| 16:16.16 | johnx | a while... |
| 16:16.56 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, ahaha, I had forgotten about that post. |
| 16:17.56 | sjgadsby | I was reminded of it as I fixed comma usage in a wiki page. |
| 16:20.17 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. |
| 16:23.21 | Stskeeps | notes idly he's blind, didn't see n800/n810 in qemu-system-arm -M ? |
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| 16:23.47 | johnx | it might be in a patch, not upstream? |
| 16:24.10 | qwerty12 | No, the N8x0 emulation stuff got added into QEMU HEAD |
| 16:24.15 | Stskeeps | what qwerty12 said |
| 16:24.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping making fun of the voting theory people will encourage them to contribute. |
| 16:24.40 | Stskeeps | douze points for qgil, that was an amazing comment |
| 16:24.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:24.57 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, tell me how that works for you :P |
| 16:25.22 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I've mostly lost my ability to be civil towards allnameswereout. |
| 16:25.25 | GeneralAntilles | So it better work. |
| 16:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, this is precious: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24768&page=4 |
| 16:28.12 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, WTF?! |
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| 16:28.54 | sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: That's shaping up to be a great thread. I hope it continues. |
| 16:29.26 | Stskeeps | nokia supports the tablet use on phone? scary, didn't know that |
| 16:29.33 | Stskeeps | i must call and ask about DSME. |
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| 16:29.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:29.39 | johnx | don't they still make people take netiquette classes before letting them connect? |
| 16:29.48 | johnx | are we just letting *anyone* on the internet these days? |
| 16:29.55 | Stskeeps | yes, AOL ruined that for everyone |
| 16:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | Andre apparently hates all of the work we've been doing: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=240113&post=#6 |
| 16:30.11 | qwerty12 | Ooh, bad boy. |
| 16:30.27 | Stskeeps | why gronmayer, why not packrat? :P |
| 16:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully ferenc will be done with the package search by the end of the year. <_< |
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| 16:33.29 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, haha |
| 16:33.39 | andre__ | not really. it's more that i described the current state. |
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| 16:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | When people ask about nuclear power, you don't just hand them a sample of U-238. :P |
| 16:34.53 | andre__ | I DO! :-P |
| 16:34.58 | johnx | wants his sample sized U-238 |
| 16:35.26 | andre__ | johnx, just come over here |
| 16:35.36 | andre__ | i can prepare it as a gift for you |
| 16:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | Strangers with uranium |
| 16:36.01 | |rt| | thinks you are all on the no fly list now |
| 16:36.50 | nemo | bah, u-238, not nearly energetic enough to power my laptop |
| 16:36.58 | nemo | I need something with a shorter half-life |
| 16:37.09 | johnx | no way, we're nuclear powers now. :) the no-fly-list only applies to small-timers |
| 16:37.12 | andre__ | having uranium at home falls under the second amendment for me |
| 16:37.27 | nemo | nuclear powered hot water heater! |
| 16:37.32 | nemo | can be just the same size as the old one. |
| 16:37.32 | johnx | wait, which one? freedom of religion? |
| 16:37.37 | |rt| | hehe the right to mutate arms |
| 16:37.54 | nemo | can recirculate excess hot water to the pool |
| 16:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | |rt|, hehe, I was going to say. . . . |
| 16:38.52 | sjgadsby | I blame Lowe's. If I'm not to be a nuclear power, they should stop selling me smoke detectors. |
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| 16:39.16 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, I thought they instituted a monthly limit for you. :P |
| 16:39.29 | sjgadsby | Bah, that's per store. |
| 16:39.50 | |rt| | there's always HomeDepot |
| 16:39.54 | johnx | the sell little tritium glow-in-the-dark zipper pulls on brando (or thanko?). International shipping? no problem! |
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| 16:50.28 | zaltair | could somebody send me to pastebin.com /home/user/.mplayer/config file? i have some troubles with mplayer performance.. thanks.. |
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| 16:53.23 | nemo | |rt|: meh. as long as I hold Lowe's stock I'm sticking with them :) |
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| 17:09.29 | disco_stu | hi |
| 17:09.50 | Mousey | hi |
| 17:10.42 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: are you around ? |
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| 17:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, for a bit |
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| 17:16.51 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is easier asking you than asking Google |
| 17:16.52 | disco_stu | :D:D |
| 17:17.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: got a handy lifeguard mtd around for qemu? |
| 17:17.05 | woglinde | he qwerty12 |
| 17:17.10 | Stskeeps | just wanting to verify stuff actually -works- |
| 17:17.11 | disco_stu | i was wondering if you know how to send sms with the tablet through my phone |
| 17:17.26 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I sent you my mtd1 dumps with lifeguard off last time. |
| 17:17.26 | disco_stu | my phone is s6034d |
| 17:17.28 | qwerty12 | hi woglinde |
| 17:17.31 | disco_stu | s603rd** |
| 17:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | phonelink, don't know any more than that. |
| 17:17.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, didn't know that was it :) ta |
| 17:17.48 | disco_stu | phonelink doesnt work with it |
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| 17:22.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: how's arguing with ubuntu going? |
| 17:23.56 | johnx | disco_stu, why do you need to send it through your phone? |
| 17:24.16 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Not very well. I've pinned down the older network manager but my wifi connection is still bolloxed when connecting after a upgrade to intrepid. I'll copy my /etc/apt/preferences onto my windows partition and pin down ndiswrapper & wpasupplicant when I reformat the ubuntu partition again. |
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| 17:25.01 | woglinde | qwerty12 hm whats wrong with the new network-manager? |
| 17:25.15 | woglinde | it now can even umts and gsm modems |
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| 17:26.43 | qwerty12 | woglinde, it doesn't agree with ndiswrapper at all. It will take ages to connect (fine, I can wait for that) but 10 mins later, the connection will fuck up and everything will timeout and removing and reconnecting will not fix it and I can't even ifdown it because the new network manager won't add entries to /etc/network/interfaces like the old one did. |
| 17:26.44 | mgedmin | in theory |
| 17:28.19 | johnx | qwerty12, why not go around network manager and just manually use /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:28.56 | qwerty12 | johnx, I tried to no avail |
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| 17:29.35 | qwerty12 | I tried network manager from svn in hardy a long time ago and it shitfucked my connection even then. |
| 17:29.45 | johnx | any entry in /etc/network/interfaces should put it under manual control |
| 17:30.33 | woglinde | qwerty12 ndiswrapper suckz |
| 17:30.39 | lardman | mmm, just had a ride in an Aston Martin, very cool |
| 17:30.42 | qwerty12 | woglinde, I know but I have no choice :/ |
| 17:30.56 | woglinde | johnx *g* yes guessnet with ifplugd and wpa_supplicant rockz |
| 17:31.16 | woglinde | qwerty12???? you buyed a fuckuped wlan card? |
| 17:31.24 | qwerty12 | woglinde, yep |
| 17:31.44 | woglinde | apache2 suckz |
| 17:31.45 | woglinde | checking for /dev/zero... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling |
| 17:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, DB9? |
| 17:32.29 | lardman | Vantage |
| 17:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | Nice car |
| 17:32.41 | lardman | yep, very cool, nice noise :) |
| 17:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | A V12 is a wonderful thing. |
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| 17:33.20 | lardman | beggars can't be choosers ;) |
| 17:34.56 | GeneralAntilles | itT frequently suggests otherwise. :P |
| 17:35.02 | lardman | lol |
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| 17:35.24 | johnx | beggars who are choosers often end up starving beggars |
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| 17:42.03 | disco_stu | johnx: my phone is gsm, n800 doesnt |
| 17:42.18 | johnx | why not just send SMS messages via a web site? |
| 17:42.37 | disco_stu | in my country it is not reliable |
| 17:42.49 | disco_stu | and sometimes you are in zones without wifi |
| 17:44.28 | l7 | Pit's funny that the thumbpad is actually easier to use with one thumb and a stylus |
| 17:45.11 | l7 | s/Pit's/it's/ |
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| 17:47.19 | Stskeeps | johnx: woo, progress, jffs2 image booting.. craptacularly |
| 17:47.26 | johnx | hawt! |
| 17:47.48 | Stskeeps | seemingily mkfs.jffs2 can now make hard links in jffs, but diablo kernel can't take it ;) |
| 17:48.27 | johnx | haha...and I'm torturing my zaurus as a build machine while I figure out what's up with my n800 not wanting to play nice with fbcon |
| 17:48.57 | johnx | actually, the control for stage's gtk+ looks like it doesn't need much hacking |
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| 17:57.24 | zaltair | when you play video (800kbps 600x350 resolution, MPEG-4, MP3 audio) with mplayer, how much it takes CPU ? 90% ? |
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| 17:58.14 | johnx | should be a little less I'd expect |
| 18:00.39 | GeneralAntilles | Or more, depending on the amount of movement on screen |
| 18:02.30 | zaltair | ok, i was expecting more less ~ 30%.... hmmm should i convert videos to internet tablet? it is better? |
| 18:03.08 | johnx | 400 pixels across is a nice size |
| 18:05.18 | zaltair | and a performance ? which one of codecs is better? |
| 18:05.26 | johnx | mpeg4 is good |
| 18:06.20 | zaltair | ok i will use http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/tablet-encode/ ... |
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| 18:14.54 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 18:15.15 | Havi | Yo! |
| 18:15.39 | Khertan_n810 | is just uploading is first home applet where font, size, color and background color can be set in preferences ... |
| 18:15.52 | Havi | zomg |
| 18:15.57 | Khertan_n810 | now i need to do it for all my applet |
| 18:16.23 | Havi | yay |
| 18:18.51 | johnx | hey Havi :D |
| 18:19.12 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 18:20.07 | Khertan_n810 | arg first bug found |
| 18:20.31 | GAN800 | Stupid Havi |
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| 18:21.19 | Havi | :< |
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| 18:25.10 | Khertan_n810 | bug found ! |
| 18:26.12 | l7 | what bug? |
| 18:27.02 | Havi | Stupid GAN800 |
| 18:31.55 | Khertan_n810 | in HomeTask 0.9.0 |
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| 18:34.03 | Khertan_n810 | homeip 0.9.1 uploaded to autobuilder queue |
| 18:34.05 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 18:34.33 | Khertan_n810 | if someone use it i think you will like the new version |
| 18:34.44 | Khertan_n810 | you can now customize setting |
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| 18:48.20 | woglinde | hi Khertan |
| 18:53.12 | Khertan_n810 | hi woglinde |
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| 18:54.43 | Khertan_n810 | taking my car ... bye |
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| 19:13.53 | dmz | hey, anyone here connected n810 to a verizon broadband plan? |
| 19:14.04 | dmz | w/out bluetooth tether to cell phone (usb modem)? |
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| 21:06.17 | kup | hi! how can i use an image on a button with pygtk? i have code that works on my desktop pc but not on the nit. there are no errors or warnings |
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| 21:23.01 | rm_you | blah |
| 21:23.33 | rm_you | didn't come home for a week and my computer rebooted itself >_< |
| 21:23.48 | rm_you | is appalled that he wasn't even idling IRC |
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| 21:23.54 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 21:24.10 | rm_you | I miss my old life ... sort of |
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| 21:24.22 | rm_you | programming and chatting in #maemo all day :P |
| 21:24.31 | rm_you | no time these days :( |
| 21:24.51 | rm_you | maybe during thanksgiving or christmas break! ^_^ |
| 21:25.04 | rm_you | time to go be a slave now. |
| 21:25.24 | rm_you | leaves |
| 21:25.50 | qwerty12_N800 | see ya rm_you :( |
| 21:25.51 | rm_you | waves at qwerty12_N800, GeneralAntilles, johnx, lcuk, jott and others |
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| 21:27.17 | RST38h | rm_me |
| 21:27.46 | qwerty12_N800 | rm -rf's RST38h |
| 21:27.52 | RST38h | rm_you: have you got married or what? =) |
| 21:28.09 | RST38h | pulls two keys out of qwerty and makes him German |
| 21:28.13 | RST38h | Hello, azerty12 |
| 21:28.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, azerty, eh? |
| 21:28.56 | qwerty12_N800 | rm -rf's this fake bitch! :P |
| 21:30.47 | lcuk | hiya rm_you \o |
| 21:31.11 | LinuxCode | evening lcuk |
| 21:31.48 | lcuk | bloody hell, hello lc |
| 21:31.59 | qwerty12_N800 | ello lcuk |
| 21:32.41 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 21:32.42 | lcuk | hiya qwerty12_N800, my god [WHIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ] its a noisey friday [BANG] night |
| 21:32.47 | LinuxCode | why the bloody hell bit ? |
| 21:33.21 | LinuxCode | lights a rocket as he types the message |
| 21:33.35 | lcuk | cos rm_you is a bit of a stranger like you |
| 21:33.37 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hehe, we've had our share of fireworks for the past few days :D |
| 21:34.17 | lcuk | yeah qwerty, i just got woke up by a massive one, damn late starters |
| 21:34.27 | LinuxCode | I am strange too mate |
| 21:34.30 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 21:34.31 | LinuxCode | j/k |
| 21:35.01 | lcuk | its ok lc, your actions speak louder than words :) |
| 21:35.27 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 21:35.30 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 21:35.34 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 21:36.00 | lcuk | what are folks upto then tonight |
| 21:36.09 | qwerty12_N800 | ÊsÇÉuÉɹÊs ÇÉ¥Ê É¯ÍµI |
| 21:36.23 | LinuxCode | about to make dinner |
| 21:36.31 | LinuxCode | and helping some fedora peepz |
| 21:36.34 | LinuxCode | self ? |
| 21:36.39 | lcuk | and there ladies and gentlemen is the reason why digital in the home is dangerous |
| 21:37.03 | lcuk | i just woke up after dozing off earlier |
| 21:37.30 | lcuk | i have a few ideas for code i want to try, but will probably just piss the time away havin a laff somewhere |
| 21:38.19 | LinuxCode | lcuk, haha |
| 21:38.24 | LinuxCode | can I join in ? |
| 21:38.34 | LinuxCode | I need a drink |
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| 21:38.41 | lcuk | no, get your own channel :P |
| 21:38.57 | LinuxCode | ok fine |
| 21:38.58 | lcuk | good idea actually, ive finished my toast and yogurt now |
| 21:38.59 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 21:39.49 | lcuk | brb |
| 21:41.10 | lcuk | back now |
| 21:41.18 | lcuk | should i sue my milkman btw |
| 21:41.51 | lcuk | i just did what i always do, opened milk drink from bottle |
| 21:42.02 | lcuk | i wouldv made my missus proud though |
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| 21:42.47 | lcuk | i started to drink from the bottle and thought "that feels wrong" |
| 21:43.18 | lcuk | the entire top of the bottle was missing and i had my gob ontop oof vsharp raw glass :S |
| 21:43.27 | lcuk | suffice to say i brought my milk in a glass |
| 21:43.31 | qwerty12_N800 | :/ |
| 21:43.37 | LinuxCode | lcuk, lool |
| 21:43.53 | LinuxCode | Id spank my partner if they would do that |
| 21:43.54 | RST38h | umgh |
| 21:44.10 | LinuxCode | breed your caries bacteria in drinks |
| 21:44.26 | lcuk | LinuxCode, why wait for a reason, spank your partner every day |
| 21:44.38 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 21:44.41 | lcuk | and LinuxCode my method is best, 1 pint of milk is not a multiuser experience |
| 21:44.47 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 21:44.48 | lcuk | open, drink |
| 21:44.58 | lcuk | saves on glasses normally |
| 21:45.03 | tank-man | want a reason not to drink from the milk carton/bottle? expired milk/chunks |
| 21:45.19 | RST38h | , of all things in this story, is mostly impressed by the fact that lcuk has a milkman |
| 21:45.22 | tank-man | cant see it till its too late |
| 21:45.33 | lcuk | tank-man, ahhh you see, fresh milk every day and clear glass bottles |
| 21:45.39 | qwerty12_N800 | tank-man, stop that! you're making me thirsty |
| 21:45.56 | lcuk | RST38h, local economy is vital |
| 21:46.02 | lcuk | community :) |
| 21:46.10 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, lol, i haven't seen one for years round here :( |
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| 21:46.53 | lcuk | besides, all of are so pissed off with not having milk for cornflakes and we are all so lazy and we all hate the big bottles |
| 21:46.57 | RST38h | qwerty: Same here, but then we live at 16th floor =) |
| 21:47.06 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 21:47.35 | lcuk | RST38h, have you ever poured a drink from that height |
| 21:47.39 | RST38h | And the nearest milk cow probably lives somewhere in Istra |
| 21:47.54 | RST38h | I normally use rotten eggs for that, lcuk |
| 21:48.26 | lcuk | rottten eggs dont do the effect i was thinking off, but would most likely score a few points |
| 21:48.43 | RST38h | depends on what you hit |
| 21:48.55 | lcuk | yeah zombies are good targets |
| 21:49.20 | RST38h | and 5 bicyclists in a row give you +5000 bonus |
| 21:49.35 | lcuk | heh, thats like the hari's in original gta |
| 21:50.00 | lcuk | at 16 floors up, the eggs must reach terminal velocity |
| 21:50.19 | RST38h | again depends on whom you are trying to terminate with them |
| 21:50.56 | lcuk | best thing i ever saw thrown out of a high rise was a paper plane, some geezer recorded it and watched it fly around new york (i think) for ages |
| 21:51.14 | RST38h | does that, every now and then |
| 21:51.29 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:51.43 | lcuk | are you near the top of your block? |
| 21:51.47 | RST38h | When I was a kid, we actually lit them, but I am a good boy now |
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| 21:52.10 | lcuk | heh, but why would you waste a good torch |
| 21:52.13 | RST38h | lcuk: Depends. Most buildings here are 25 stories high now |
| 21:52.35 | lcuk | could you cope with being higher? |
| 21:52.36 | RST38h | But our windows overlook a park |
| 21:52.46 | lcuk | or does it not matter now you are already way up |
| 21:52.59 | RST38h | lcuk: not a problem for me |
| 21:53.11 | RST38h | at least this building does not sway |
| 21:53.12 | lcuk | does your block rock in the wind |
| 21:53.20 | lcuk | hates sleeping in buildings that move |
| 21:53.56 | LinuxCode | lcuk, reminds me of sutton |
| 21:54.03 | LinuxCode | used to live top floor when I was 3 |
| 21:54.04 | RST38h | lcuk: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0+34,+%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.635244,76.113281&ie=UTF8&ll=55.856823,37.493795&spn=0.002668,0.004646&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr |
| 21:54.11 | LinuxCode | anyway time for dinner |
| 21:54.21 | lcuk | alrighty lc, what you havin? |
| 21:54.23 | RST38h | lcuk: there is no way this thing can move |
| 21:55.01 | Stskeeps | 's apartment block would stand after a nuclear blast. |
| 21:55.13 | lcuk | ahhh, its not a tower, its a cornerstone |
| 21:55.36 | RST38h | lcuk: three x25fl towers + 9fl connecting block |
| 21:55.57 | lcuk | the one on the other side of the park looks like its self standing |
| 21:56.40 | RST38h | yes except it is not a park, it's residential area |
| 21:56.49 | RST38h | the park is to the south |
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| 21:58.52 | lcuk | cool, i just zoomed out, i knew moscow was big, but didnt really think about how big |
| 21:59.15 | lcuk | Stskeeps, how far up are you? |
| 21:59.18 | RST38h | lcuk: ~15mil people, ~25mil with the area |
| 22:01.30 | Stskeeps | lcuk: two floor apt |
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| 22:02.47 | lcuk | heh Stskeeps then its not exactly a tower is it - or are your 2 floors 97 stories up? |
| 22:03.19 | RST38h | Sts: A penthouse? =) |
| 22:03.54 | Stskeeps | not a tower :P |
| 22:03.55 | Stskeeps | http://www.filizofia.com/photodiary/DKAarhus/DSC_7742.jpg |
| 22:04.53 | LinuxCode | prison ? |
| 22:05.13 | Stskeeps | nah, student housing, but close. |
| 22:05.45 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:06.24 | kup | hi! how can i use an image on a button with pygtk? i have code that works on my desktop pc but not on the nit. there are no errors or warnings |
| 22:06.38 | Stskeeps | continues getting m-r booting in n800-qemu |
| 22:07.05 | lcuk | kup, what happens |
| 22:07.11 | lcuk | and what desktop were you doing it in |
| 22:07.41 | kup | on ubuntu ... but on maemo there are no images, just the text on the button |
| 22:08.05 | kup | wanna see code? |
| 22:08.14 | lcuk | not really, was just curious |
| 22:08.21 | lcuk | im not a pyman |
| 22:08.39 | lcuk | some folks come and try after using windows stuff |
| 22:09.12 | lcuk | there shoudl eb errors of some kind if its failing to load your assets, but then again can you disable errors (on error resume next) |
| 22:13.30 | kup | man, this is an ubuntu bug!! i didn't set gtk-button-images so the images should be ignored, but ubuntu doesn't do it |
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| 22:14.34 | lcuk | well make sure when you complain to them, if they get stuck looking for a solution tell them the more advanced high tech maemo platform has the answer |
| 22:14.53 | LinuxCode | lcuk, bahahah |
| 22:14.56 | LinuxCode | ouch |
| 22:15.48 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/boot-MR.log.txt |
| 22:15.49 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 22:15.58 | Stskeeps | (minimal ubuntu booting in qemu-arm n800 emulatiom.) |
| 22:16.40 | Stskeeps | from a jffs2 image on 37mb |
| 22:16.52 | lcuk | Stskeeps, how come at [ 1.140624] it says "Help, STS has me locked inside a little machine" |
| 22:17.13 | Stskeeps | lcuk: a midget turns the wheel |
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| 22:18.20 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you replaced the ferret? |
| 22:18.26 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 22:18.56 | lcuk | thats where you got the speed from |
| 22:18.57 | Stskeeps | it's like maemo.org where the 770s are running inside the wheels |
| 22:18.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:19.05 | lcuk | you should speak to hrw |
| 22:19.13 | lcuk | he has done lots of work towards this |
| 22:19.20 | Stskeeps | ofcourse, it's his code i'm using |
| 22:19.21 | Stskeeps | qemu HEAD |
| 22:19.36 | Stskeeps | it's -very- impressive how much he's done |
| 22:20.02 | lcuk | yeah, but not just using, speak to him and discuss how it could be improved |
| 22:20.11 | lcuk | most of all, get xv working in it ;) |
| 22:20.15 | Stskeeps | hehe. |
| 22:20.27 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure it would be such a fancy experience |
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| 22:21.18 | lcuk | yeah i know theres a lot that the emu itself has to do and it could never really be made that slick |
| 22:21.49 | lcuk | but based on the reading of your sdk stuff and knowing you want emu system for it, it would help to do all you can |
| 22:22.07 | lcuk | im really looking forward to the new device |
| 22:22.12 | lcuk | i cant wait to try building in c++ |
| 22:22.28 | Stskeeps | is c++ support really that bad? |
| 22:22.35 | Stskeeps | i admit, i haven't compiled c++ on it |
| 22:22.37 | lcuk | no, it just cant keep up with me |
| 22:22.40 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:22.50 | lcuk | it works perfectly, but takes much longer per compiled file |
| 22:23.22 | lcuk | my frustration threshold is about 5-10 seconds from starting build to havin a running system |
| 22:23.28 | lcuk | its fine for c |
| 22:23.38 | lcuk | and simpler on my mind with it on device |
| 22:23.51 | lcuk | but c++ and vala and other things are just too long |
| 22:23.58 | RST38h | all right, sleep! |
| 22:24.09 | lcuk | ok RST38h nice chattin with you |
| 22:24.16 | RST38h | lcuk: Hey, you can do the opposite crosscompilation! |
| 22:24.32 | Stskeeps | yeah, distcc to a cross compilation toolchain |
| 22:24.34 | Stskeeps | i did that |
| 22:24.34 | RST38h | lcuk: Use your tablet to ssh to a remote server with Maemo SDK installed, compiled there, transfer back and run |
| 22:24.37 | Stskeeps | .. or that |
| 22:24.47 | RST38h | s/compiled/compile |
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| 22:25.33 | lcuk | no, (1) i hate scratchbox, (2) it would be slower scping files around (3) it has its own issues of latency (4) i cant use it when im just randomly out and about (5) i hate scratchbox |
| 22:26.00 | lcuk | the only real solution will come when i get a native linux desktop, but thats not going to happen until i find a way to afford an asus eee top |
| 22:26.09 | Stskeeps | lcuk: tried sb2 yet? |
| 22:26.12 | lcuk | liqbase needs a daddy :) |
| 22:26.14 | Stskeeps | it's actually a lot more saner |
| 22:26.21 | RST38h | lcuk: 1) use sb2, screw sb1 2) no, compilation time will be much shorter 3) dunno 4) use "screen" on the server 5) see 1 |
| 22:26.33 | Stskeeps | and that comes from a firm scratchbox hater |
| 22:26.55 | Stskeeps | (v1) |
| 22:27.03 | RST38h | lcuk: For sb2, you can make use of my makefiles (available from fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/) - they completely skip the autoconf process |
| 22:27.10 | lcuk | RST38h, compilation NOW using device is FASTER than my old method of building in scratchbox inside vmware and scping to device and executing |
| 22:27.25 | RST38h | lcuk: oh, screw vmware |
| 22:27.38 | lcuk | please dont try to change my desktop :) |
| 22:27.44 | RST38h | lcuk: Just get a remote Linux account somewhere, install sb2 there, and ssh |
| 22:27.59 | lcuk | (4) falls down there |
| 22:28.01 | RST38h | you do not really need a linux desktop, an account at any sshable system will suffice |
| 22:29.21 | RST38h | ok, really asleep now. |
| 22:29.28 | lcuk | alright, gnite |
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| 22:36.16 | lcuk | Stskeeps, build time for liqbase has gone up to 3 minutes |
| 22:38.13 | Stskeeps | scary |
| 22:38.35 | Stskeeps | the next firefox in terms of time to build soon? ;) |
| 22:38.42 | lcuk | oi! |
| 22:38.53 | lcuk | added libraries and things to every file which could be altered dramatically |
| 22:39.14 | Stskeeps | okay, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed - does this return a blank page for the rest of you? |
| 22:39.25 | lcuk | i do like the experience of having on device building o matter how inpractical for now, but it at least lets me feel the machine and understand its capabilities |
| 22:39.43 | lcuk | not this time, but randomly it does for any pages |
| 22:39.46 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:41.15 | lcuk | Stskeeps, the mauku comment about deblet from quim, get together with qole and others and strengthen core maemo. "R" is worthwhile and your documenting the process is important and good |
| 22:41.19 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, the wiki fucks up from time to time. in firefox, press ctrl-shift-r to force it to reload w/out using cached stuff |
| 22:41.35 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, that was what i indicated in my answer too |
| 22:41.50 | Stskeeps | i wasn't offended or something, just giving my view :) |
| 22:41.54 | lcuk | yes, and im indicating in my strongest terms that its good |
| 22:42.00 | Stskeeps | i like the attention :P |
| 22:42.20 | lcuk | as you should |
| 22:42.42 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, do you have a paper round? |
| 22:43.00 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, no |
| 22:43.05 | Stskeeps | did when he was 13-18, then got so horridly tired of it |
| 22:43.21 | Stskeeps | after realising i could spend two hours coding and get 250$ for it |
| 22:43.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:43.29 | lcuk | then you need to tell your dad "i dont want any spending money, i swore today on irc and im repaying the debt" |
| 22:43.35 | lcuk | :P |
| 22:43.55 | qwerty12_N800 | don't think anyone gets papers delivered round here, tesco's is nearby :) |
| 22:44.00 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :p |
| 22:44.09 | lcuk | my luke has a paper round |
| 22:44.28 | lcuk | he just uses it as an excuse not to come home and to faff at mcdonalds and stop at grandmas for tea |
| 22:44.45 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i managed to run up 1000 pound in dialup fees when i was 14, so i kinda had to pay it off.. |
| 22:45.08 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, lol :P |
| 22:45.12 | lcuk | £1000 :O thats a lotta money, what might i ask were u dialing up? |
| 22:45.15 | Stskeeps | wait, no, that wasn't dialup |
| 22:45.22 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ooh, bollocks >.< |
| 22:45.25 | Stskeeps | that was me talking locally to a girl friend of mine |
| 22:45.29 | lcuk | naughty nurse hotline |
| 22:45.33 | Stskeeps | hehe, :P |
| 22:45.35 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 22:45.39 | lcuk | 0898 tits-out |
| 22:45.49 | Stskeeps | worst part was it was local area |
| 22:46.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, should have done a reverse call :p |
| 22:46.27 | lcuk | tracy was in hospital once and they had a really expensive bedside phone service, i spoke for hours to her :$ |
| 22:46.33 | lcuk | we got cut off after that i believe |
| 22:46.51 | lcuk | or just got off his lazy ass and gone round there |
| 22:47.00 | lcuk | theres more benefits actually being in the same room as a hot gal |
| 22:47.43 | Stskeeps | indeed |
| 22:47.53 | Stskeeps | runs third mkfs.jffs2 tonight |
| 22:48.19 | Stskeeps | trying if i can make X run on the emulator |
| 22:48.24 | Stskeeps | then next step is getting maemo GTK + hildon going |
| 22:48.32 | Stskeeps | and suddenly we have a interesting proof of concept. |
| 22:49.26 | lcuk | yes should be able to |
| 22:49.36 | lcuk | i think hrw had full thing on |
| 22:49.44 | lcuk | infact, yeah he did cos he installed liqbase into it |
| 22:49.52 | lcuk | and also mplayer - to test the xv stuff |
| 22:51.12 | lcuk | ok, ive got something i need to build |
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| 22:54.13 | Stskeeps | lcuk: and regarding qole, he'd be good to get in on how to integrate non-hildon apps into hildon, or reverse, his new stuff single-handed removed most reasons to boot into deblet ;) |
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| 22:54.59 | lcuk | yes, you and qole have a lot of common ground - if i was running a company i would have you combining skills |
| 22:55.22 | Stskeeps | hehe. think we both have some strong personalities though |
| 22:55.42 | lcuk | yes undeniably - personality is a strength |
| 22:56.06 | lcuk | but thankfully there is a whole atlantic ocean between you two |
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| 22:59.02 | Stskeeps | last project i ran there was a similar seperation, and yet if the guy ever met me he would kick my ass so badly :> |
| 22:59.19 | lcuk | lol |
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| 23:03.11 | lcuk | Stskeeps, forgive me for being thick, were you actually at the summit |
| 23:03.21 | Stskeeps | nop |
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| 23:03.31 | Stskeeps | i had thought about it but then my gf's internship got moved a month |
| 23:03.59 | Stskeeps | maybe next year |
| 23:04.01 | lcuk | ahh |
| 23:04.34 | lcuk | i have memories of talking to so many people and ive just tried to rack my brain to see whether you fit into any of them |
| 23:04.43 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 23:04.46 | Stskeeps | doubt it |
| 23:04.55 | lcuk | maybe next year it wont matter - i hope to have liqbase getting all data in by then :) |
| 23:05.53 | Stskeeps | the market next year will be really interesting, atleas |
| 23:05.53 | Stskeeps | t |
| 23:05.58 | lcuk | any idea on whether i can start a thread, but assign a priority to it, so instead of both threads going hell for leather the main thread continues at ~ 75% cpu but the other just trickles |
| 23:06.09 | Stskeeps | yeah, think pthread api has that |
| 23:06.14 | Stskeeps | lemme just drag out my book |
| 23:06.20 | lcuk | ahhh cool, thx |
| 23:06.23 | woglinde | lol someone wrote an android programm to sart busybox's telnet |
| 23:06.53 | lcuk | heh woglinde i just go to a console, damn closed oses ;) |
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| 23:07.42 | Stskeeps | lcuk: look into pthread_attr_setschedparam |
| 23:07.51 | lcuk | yeah i will thanks |
| 23:07.53 | Stskeeps | oreilly's pthreads programming is a good buy |
| 23:08.05 | Stskeeps | .. or dl |
| 23:08.12 | lcuk | i simply had one running at full belt and it threw out my kinetic |
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| 23:08.22 | lcuk | if i ccan tell it to go slowly then i might return the code |
| 23:08.47 | lcuk | i dont think i would want an entire book on threads, i havent got enough time to do that in every library |
| 23:09.17 | lcuk | thats always my problem actually, i like to see interfaces of all kinds move and work, but i dont want to get bogged down making the final app |
| 23:09.30 | lcuk | (apart from my sketching :)) |
| 23:09.50 | woglinde | he books ruling |
| 23:10.07 | lcuk | pardon? |
| 23:10.35 | woglinde | I meant reading books is good |
| 23:10.56 | lcuk | oh yes i agree |
| 23:10.59 | lcuk | i read a lot of niven :) |
| 23:11.30 | lcuk | and when i havent got a niven im investigating reading up on the doctor who 'verse |
| 23:15.01 | bef0rd | hey Stskeeps, just wondering, what version of libgfs are you using on deblet? |
| 23:15.25 | Stskeeps | libwhatnow? |
| 23:16.01 | bef0rd | libgsf sorry |
| 23:16.09 | Stskeeps | same as debian lenny i gues |
| 23:17.50 | bef0rd | I see, have you got a package for gnumeric? |
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| 23:18.46 | Stskeeps | if it's in debian lenny, we do |
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| 23:19.43 | bef0rd | oh, I'm asking just to see if you've experienced this http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350973 which is supposed to be fixed on SVN |
| 23:20.00 | Stskeeps | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnumeric |
| 23:21.10 | Stskeeps | I'd appreciate it if someone could confirm that the problem as |
| 23:21.10 | Stskeeps | reported by Keith is no longer reproducible after updating libgsf to the svn |
| 23:21.10 | Stskeeps | trunk version. |
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| 23:21.20 | Stskeeps | according to that page |
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| 23:24.24 | bef0rd | yea, but it's not confirmed :P I'll try to install deblet later tonight. thanks |
| 23:26.56 | benno2 | hi, I am looking for the libpq5 .deb for Diablo on repository.maemo.org . any idea where I can find it ? in http://repository.maemo.org/extras ? |
| 23:27.18 | woglinde | wnat to run postgres ? |
| 23:27.35 | woglinde | maybe it is in extras-devel |
| 23:27.53 | benno2 | no i want only to use a postgres client |
| 23:28.34 | benno2 | apt-get does not work because I have installed sliderotate und it causes a package conflict when I try apt-get install libpq5 |
| 23:29.18 | benno2 | this is why I try to install the .deb directly but cannot find it. can I read the exact http location in some file somewhere ? |
| 23:29.36 | woglinde | then you will have conflicts too |
| 23:29.39 | mikkov_ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/p/postgresql-8.3/ |
| 23:30.12 | woglinde | there is no differences, you install with dpkg --force-all |
| 23:30.23 | benno2 | mikkov_: thanks , trying now |
| 23:30.23 | woglinde | but nextttime you use apt you will have problems |
| 23:30.53 | benno2 | woglinde: yes I know this apt-problem . its due sliderrotate (allows 90deg screen rotation) that installed a new kernel |
| 23:31.13 | woglinde | new kernel? |
| 23:31.46 | mikkov_ | could you give the exact error message from apt? |
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| 23:34.07 | benno2 | mikkov_: http://pastebin.ca/1248268 sorry its in german but its basically due to a missing dependency. if I do apt-get install -f it asks me if I want to uninstall lots of packages (probably becaue they depend on the kernel) |
| 23:34.40 | woglinde | rgs |
| 23:34.44 | woglinde | sorry |
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| 23:35.49 | benno2 | woglinde: strange the dpkg cmd works without --force-all : dpkg -i libpq5_8.3.3-0maemo1_armel.deb |
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| 23:36.23 | woglinde | benno2 will look at your pastebin now |
| 23:36.43 | woglinde | but my connection now isnt really fast |
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| 23:37.42 | mikkov_ | it's not about kernel but xserver |
| 23:38.06 | lcuk | question re: liqbase - if i allow sketches to be automatically placed in archive and limit the graffiti wall to most recent month or something is it a problem? |
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| 23:43.19 | mikkov_ | benno2: I think that https://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation is better supported. maemo.org seems to be down, so look from google cache |
| 23:44.02 | mikkov_ | benno2: ok, maemo.org is not down ;) |
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| 23:45.20 | benno2 | mikkov_: thanks for the infos. I began with the nokia 770 , have the n800 and now the n810. nokia and the open source community did really a nice job. now if only the n900 with umts came out :) |
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| 23:48.04 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-X.png <- woo :P |
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| 23:49.51 | Stskeeps | (87m flash though, with all X libs and such, and two-three X serveC[C[C[C[C[C[C)rs.. |
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