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| 00:13.47 | l7 | wow http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg06566.html is quite useful |
| 00:14.05 | l7 | run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/browser --url=$url is great! |
| 00:14.33 | GeneralAntilles | browserd --url should get you the same thing |
| 00:14.45 | GeneralAntilles | That's for OS2006, so I'm not sure how deprecated it is. |
| 00:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at andre__'s South Park avatar. |
| 00:15.29 | l7 | hrm |
| 00:15.47 | andre__ | harhar |
| 00:16.11 | l7 | browserd --url doesn't seem to work |
| 00:16.13 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles: it's quite similar to an original photo i think |
| 00:16.25 | l7 | /media/mmc2/MyDocs $ browserd --url http://192.168.1.4/~l/mp3/foobar.mp3 |
| 00:16.25 | l7 | browserd: invalid option -- - |
| 00:16.25 | l7 | /media/mmc2/MyDocs $ browserd --url=http://192.168.1.4/~l/mp3/foobar.mp3 |
| 00:16.26 | l7 | browserd: invalid option -- - |
| 00:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | Misremembering, I guess. |
| 00:17.42 | l7 | maybe it's been removed it it was deprecated |
| 00:19.54 | l7 | hmm, is it possible to get the osso media player to automatically play when i pass it a url? |
| 00:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | is sad he missed 666 on his maemo.org karma. |
| 00:20.17 | l7 | i'm using osso-media-server http://192.168.1.2/foobar.mp3 to play files from my computer |
| 00:20.28 | l7 | but i still have to walk over and hit play |
| 00:20.47 | GeneralAntilles | Why do you need to use Media Player? |
| 00:20.55 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just use mpd? |
| 00:21.21 | l7 | guess i haven't gotten around to trying it |
| 00:21.27 | l7 | i'll give it a look |
| 00:22.01 | l7 | what do i need on the server side? |
| 00:22.55 | GeneralAntilles | One of about a thousand mpd clients. |
| 00:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | If by "server" you mean "desktop" |
| 00:23.13 | l7 | yeah |
| 00:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | Since the tablet's the server when it's running mpd. |
| 00:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | http://mpd.wikia.com/?page=clients |
| 00:23.39 | l7 | ah i see a mac client |
| 00:23.50 | l7 | i thought it was unix centric |
| 00:24.00 | l7 | well, linux centric |
| 00:25.18 | l7 | hrm, too lazy to find my xcode cd |
| 00:25.27 | pupnik | hmm |
| 00:25.48 | GeneralAntilles | l7, it's available off apple.com |
| 00:25.49 | pupnik | that esd thing on tablet kinda works nice |
| 00:26.04 | pupnik | tries to calculate the net delay when connecting |
| 00:26.31 | pupnik | never holds sync, but what would network audio be without bad sync and echoes around the room... |
| 00:26.43 | pupnik | ... an FM transmitter.... |
| 00:27.01 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: which section? |
| 00:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | rimshot |
| 00:27.08 | l7 | it's not in apple.com/downloads |
| 00:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | l7, somewhere in the developer's corner |
| 00:27.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/ |
| 00:27.18 | l7 | oh yeah mean xcode |
| 00:27.23 | pupnik | hmmm |
| 00:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | First result on Google. :P |
| 00:27.26 | l7 | yeah only xcode 3 |
| 00:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | 2 was still available last time I checked. |
| 00:27.43 | l7 | i'm on 10.4 and i looked everywhere for xcode 2 |
| 00:27.49 | l7 | i'm pretty sure it's gone |
| 00:28.03 | l7 | they want people to work on 10.5 or take a hike now |
| 00:28.26 | l7 | maybe i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure it's gone |
| 00:28.36 | l7 | the xcode 2 manual is gone too |
| 00:29.16 | l7 | xcode 1.5 is long gone i think |
| 00:29.24 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 00:29.35 | l7 | that's the thing about apple, all the old versions of things eventually vanish, which forces you to horde your own little repository of stuff if you want to use it later |
| 00:30.22 | GeneralAntilles | just upgrades. |
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| 00:30.51 | l7 | yeah, that's usually the thing to do |
| 00:31.06 | l7 | though occasionally the old versions are better or less restrictive in some ways |
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| 00:35.49 | l7 | upgrade cycles are also a good time to be forced to upgrade software that works fine in one version of the OS but is broken in the next |
| 00:36.08 | l7 | maybe they'll keep their promise of not breaking stuff in 10.6 though, who knows |
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| 01:51.00 | l7 | activating mplayer through ssh seems to take away your ability to control it via terminal |
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| 01:52.08 | l7 | why is that when i do 'ssh user@192.168.1.3 mplayer $url' to play music, that i cannot control it from the terminal? |
| 01:52.26 | l7 | when i shell in normally and activate mplayer it works fine |
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| 02:07.48 | ryoohki | how can i verify video is working in skype on the new n810? |
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| 02:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, you don't. |
| 02:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | Skype doesn't support video. |
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| 02:27.51 | zakkm | How much battery life should the Nokia N800 have, brand new. |
| 02:27.57 | zakkm | ?* |
| 02:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | 4-6 hours active |
| 02:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | around 6-14 days completely idle |
| 02:28.21 | zakkm | oh okay, i bought it used.. and fully charged it says 7 hours in use, 10 days idle |
| 02:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | 2-4 days idle on wifi. |
| 02:28.35 | zakkm | is that right? |
| 02:28.38 | zakkm | should i get a new battery? |
| 02:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | Those estimates are based on charge percentage. |
| 02:28.50 | zakkm | yeah |
| 02:28.53 | zakkm | should it say more ? |
| 02:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 02:29.03 | zakkm | so i have a good battery? |
| 02:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | Well |
| 02:29.13 | GeneralAntilles | It wont say less for a broken battery |
| 02:29.17 | zakkm | oh |
| 02:29.22 | zakkm | cuase the time really goes fast |
| 02:29.23 | zakkm | -.- |
| 02:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | So, my point was that those numbers are meaningless. |
| 02:29.31 | zakkm | it was like 7 hours, next thing it said under a hour.. in like 1-2 hours |
| 02:29.43 | GeneralAntilles | How old is the tablet? |
| 02:29.47 | zakkm | Dont know, bought it used |
| 02:29.51 | zakkm | never asked how old it is |
| 02:30.00 | zakkm | I bought it half a week ago ? |
| 02:32.05 | zakkm | its not like omg its so bad |
| 02:32.15 | zakkm | but i remember my 770 lasting a lot longer, and i feel like this should last long too |
| 02:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | battery could be shot |
| 02:33.09 | GeneralAntilles | They're not the longest lasting things ever. |
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| 02:39.16 | zakkm | k, thanks |
| 02:39.22 | zakkm | I'll see how much a new one is |
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| 02:47.09 | smackpotato | does the 770 recieve bluetooth audio |
| 02:47.44 | GeneralAntilles | Receive? |
| 02:47.45 | GeneralAntilles | From? |
| 02:48.28 | smackpotato | ya from one of the bluetooth transmiter you can plug into your stereo |
| 02:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | A2DP? No. |
| 02:49.05 | smackpotato | bummer what is the problem |
| 02:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | Um? |
| 02:49.38 | smackpotato | sorry i didnt see the nick |
| 02:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | You want to connect the audio out of your stereo to a Bluetooth transmitter and send it to a 770? |
| 02:49.57 | GeneralAntilles | Why in the world? |
| 02:50.17 | smackpotato | so i can listen to the fm |
| 02:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | Just tune into the internet stream? |
| 02:50.42 | GeneralAntilles | Most stations have one these days. |
| 02:51.06 | smackpotato | ya i know but i live in a remote canadian village |
| 02:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | Or cut out the 770 and just use a pair of wireless headphones directly. |
| 02:51.21 | GeneralAntilles | Or buy an N800 |
| 02:51.32 | smackpotato | i have a 810 |
| 02:52.23 | smackpotato | somone was mentioning using the old 770 as a internet radio |
| 02:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, to plug into your stereo. |
| 02:52.42 | smackpotato | ya |
| 02:53.08 | smackpotato | ok take 2 |
| 02:53.34 | smackpotato | the bluetooth will come from cheep,fm radio |
| 02:54.02 | smackpotato | so i can control the volume from bed |
| 02:55.32 | smackpotato | fm radio via bluetooth via 700 via stereo va sounwaves |
| 02:56.34 | smackpotato | am i any clearer than mud |
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| 03:43.24 | ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: skype supports video just fine on my n800 |
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| 03:43.58 | GeneralAntilles | Um, since when? |
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| 03:50.45 | lopz | night |
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| 04:33.44 | zakkm | videochat works on skype? |
| 04:33.51 | zakkm | I been trying to find some way to videochat with a friend |
| 04:35.50 | GAN800 | No. |
| 04:35.57 | GAN800 | Gizmo. |
| 04:36.26 | zakkm | Is the battery life lower, if i boot from SD? |
| 04:36.42 | zakkm | im wondering if that might be causing my low battery life |
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| 05:08.21 | pupnik | ok, who stole my n810 |
| 05:08.37 | pupnik | serves me right for not doing anything with it |
| 05:08.48 | pupnik | :( |
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| 05:29.13 | zakkm | what ? |
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| 07:00.21 | Khertan_n810 | hi ! |
| 07:00.39 | Khertan_n810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.19 | Khertan_n810 | maybe an error in .desktop |
| 07:01.28 | Khertan_n810 | or service file |
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| 07:01.36 | Khertan_n810 | but i don t see it |
| 07:02.35 | Khertan_n810 | and don t see anything interesting with dbus-monitor |
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| 07:16.03 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 07:54.34 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 07:55.03 | Khertan_n810 | maybe someone can explain me how an app is launch by the menu |
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| 07:55.11 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 07:56.22 | Khertan_n810 | as i do thing the same as every other app but it doesn t seems to work |
| 07:56.53 | Khertan_n810 | 2hours to make application |
| 07:57.16 | Khertan_n810 | 2day to tweak desktop file |
| 07:59.26 | Khertan_n810 | is tired ... bye |
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| 08:12.34 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 08:22.28 | camel_liu | hi, everybody. |
| 08:24.01 | camel_liu | I met error "libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libSDL.la'" after install SDL-ttf and SDL-net. |
| 08:24.55 | camel_liu | autogen.sh and configure is ended successful, but make errors |
| 08:25.42 | camel_liu | there's not libSDL.la in that directory. |
| 08:25.52 | Stskeeps | then you need to install libsdl :P |
| 08:26.36 | camel_liu | But the game program runs well before I try to add ttf font in it. |
| 08:27.33 | Stskeeps | mmkay |
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| 08:28.24 | camel_liu | Do I need to install libsdl again? |
| 08:28.29 | Stskeeps | possibly |
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| 08:30.51 | camel_liu | libsdl1.2-dev is already the newest version. |
| 08:31.26 | camel_liu | libsdl1.2 is already the newest version. |
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| 08:32.45 | Stskeeps | k |
| 08:33.59 | camel_liu | I installed libSDL_ttf and libSDL_net, and there're .la files for them. But ther're not .la files for libSDL, libSDL_mixer and libSDL_image, which are installed by default. |
| 08:34.55 | camel_liu | how can I generate the .la files ? |
| 08:36.52 | camel_liu | When I make my program before I add some ttf support in it, no error found |
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| 08:49.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: heh, the new batch of people trying ubuntu ended with same conclusion as we did about it, even though it seems complete, not all packages are there |
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| 09:17.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:18.02 | X-Fade | Hi.. |
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| 09:24.23 | Stskeeps | morning Jaffa |
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| 10:04.56 | Khertan | Morning all ! |
| 10:05.32 | Khertan | someone can explain me how the application menu launch an application ? |
| 10:06.23 | Khertan | as i ve done thing like my other app |
| 10:06.24 | Khertan | but i'm not able to make mTasks be launched by the application menu |
| 10:06.24 | Khertan | if i understand it use dbus to launch an app |
| 10:06.28 | Khertan | reading the .desktop file |
| 10:06.45 | Khertan | and executing something like : dbus-launch /usr/bin/mtasks |
| 10:07.25 | Khertan | where the bin path is the one which is specified in the .desktop or .service file ... |
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| 10:11.40 | inz | dbus-launch has actually nothing to do with this |
| 10:11.47 | Khertan | ah .... |
| 10:12.00 | Khertan | and how maemo menu launch an app ? |
| 10:12.11 | inz | But if there is X-Osso-Service -field in the .desktop file, then it tries to send a message to the service |
| 10:12.16 | Khertan | ok |
| 10:12.35 | inz | And D-Bus daemon starts up the service, if not running and a .service file is present for the service |
| 10:13.25 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 10:13.38 | Khertan | and dbus try to launch it how ? |
| 10:13.50 | Khertan | can i reproduce the thing under xterm ? |
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| 10:18.34 | DanielW | hi |
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| 10:19.26 | DanielW | when i try to connect to an wpa2 peap network it says "authentification failed" is there something to get a more verbose error mesage |
| 10:19.29 | inz | Khertan, I 'spose the daemon just reads the exec path from the .service file, does fork()/exec() and waits for the program to register the service name |
| 10:20.46 | Stskeeps | DanielW: eduoram or the likes? |
| 10:20.54 | Stskeeps | eduroam, i mean |
| 10:21.18 | DanielW | straind`: yes a similar network in my university |
| 10:21.25 | DanielW | Stskeeps: |
| 10:21.37 | Stskeeps | http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=182 might be a direction then |
| 10:21.39 | X-Fade | DanielW: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=182 |
| 10:21.42 | X-Fade | Ah ;) |
| 10:22.13 | Stskeeps | (jaiku subscriptions do come in handy occasionally :P) |
| 10:22.15 | DanielW | ok thanks. already googled but didn't find anything helpful |
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| 10:26.27 | camel_liu | Does anyone know what this means: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libSDL.la' |
| 10:26.57 | camel_liu | What is .la files? |
| 10:28.14 | DanielW | Stskeeps and X-Fade, thank you, got it to work :-) |
| 10:29.45 | X-Fade | DanielW: That is great news ;) |
| 10:29.54 | Stskeeps | DanielW: ta - i might try that at my uni's eduroam too then |
| 10:30.44 | Khertan | inz: strange ... i still don't understand why my prog isn't launch by menu and work well launching it manually |
| 10:31.01 | Khertan | inz: thx for your help |
| 10:31.07 | lardman | morning |
| 10:31.26 | inz | Khertan, does your program register the d-bus service name (in time)? |
| 10:31.43 | Khertan | it should :) |
| 10:36.56 | camel_liu | How can I get libSDL.la file? |
| 10:37.45 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ping? |
| 10:41.36 | lardman | camel_liu: why are you statically linking? |
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| 10:42.23 | camel_liu | What should I do? I just try following a sample. |
| 10:43.21 | camel_liu | How can I control the link type? |
| 10:46.18 | camel_liu | I'm a freshman in maemo |
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| 10:51.56 | RST38h | reMOO |
| 10:52.02 | lardman | camel_liu: usually you have to explicitly ask to be statically linked |
| 10:52.18 | lardman | just do -lSDL in your flags and see what happens |
| 10:53.53 | camel_liu | ok, let me try |
| 10:54.52 | StsN800 | hmm, any good wiki editors for maemo? editing maemo.org wiki is a nightmare on a n800 |
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| 10:59.55 | joueur_ | hi.... how can i disable serial console and usb-host-mode... i think it is drain my battery... |
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| 11:01.07 | camel_liu | lardman, Could you help me see the configure.ac file? http://pastebin.ca/1244730 |
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| 11:01.22 | RST38h | usb-host-mode can be switched on and off using a settings applet (available from Extras) |
| 11:01.29 | RST38h | but it is off by default |
| 11:01.32 | StsN800 | that sounds kinda unreasonable. well, usb host with device attached without poweredusb hub obviously.. |
| 11:01.45 | camel_liu | I don't know what lead the error. |
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| 11:03.00 | lardman | camel_liu: looks like that should be ok |
| 11:03.46 | lardman | or are you getting an error when you run configure? |
| 11:04.54 | camel_liu | neither autogen.sh nor configure |
| 11:05.05 | camel_liu | echo $? returns 0 |
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| 11:06.39 | lardman | camel_liu: well just try to compile it, it looks like it looks for the SDL libs and will link against them dynamically |
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| 11:09.30 | camel_liu | but make returns error: http://pastebin.ca/1244734 |
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| 11:10.44 | lardman | ah, I see what you mean now |
| 11:11.09 | camel_liu | ? |
| 11:11.10 | lardman | do you have libSDL.so.x.x.x somewhere? |
| 11:12.48 | camel_liu | yes, I have libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 and libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 11:13.12 | camel_liu | in target's /usr/lib/ |
| 11:13.40 | lardman | ok, you either need to change the name it's trying to link against, or symlink that file to the expected name |
| 11:13.45 | lardman | I don't know what the usual way is |
| 11:14.00 | RST38h | first |
| 11:14.05 | lardman | libSDL-1.2.so.0 will be linked by -lSDL-1.2 |
| 11:14.08 | RST38h | symlinking is a hack |
| 11:14.22 | joueur_ | RST38h: and do you know , how can i disable serial console? i am looking google, but i can't find anything... |
| 11:14.25 | RST38h | actually, symlinking to libSDL.so is ok |
| 11:14.26 | lardman | unless it's part of the SDL install procedure, I don't know |
| 11:14.47 | RST38h | joueur: I did not even know Maemo had a serial console |
| 11:15.19 | camel_liu | RST38h, symlinking to libSDL.so, how? |
| 11:15.42 | lardman | cd /usr/lib; ln -s libSDL-1.2.so.0 libSDL.so.0 |
| 11:17.15 | joueur_ | RST38h: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ .... but i don't know how can i that set to disable... |
| 11:17.27 | camel_liu | why this error happen to my program? I tried other programms using libSDL, making them did not launch any error |
| 11:18.15 | lardman | camel_liu: there may be an SDL pkg file which should be used and this one doesn't? |
| 11:18.46 | lardman | perhaps look at the configure.ac files for the ones which compile correctly? |
| 11:19.05 | camel_liu | can I remove libSDL, and then install it again? |
| 11:19.24 | lardman | you can, but it won't make any odds I wouldn't think |
| 11:19.25 | camel_liu | Can this way correct the problem? |
| 11:19.42 | lardman | apparently not, as other code has compiled ok with it installed.... |
| 11:21.25 | camel_liu | lardman, I paste a configure.ac which can make correctly, please have a look: http://pastebin.ca/1244742 |
| 11:21.52 | camel_liu | I cannot find any differences between it and mine. |
| 11:22.26 | lardman | what do these give you?: sdl-config --cflags and sdl-config --libs |
| 11:24.24 | camel_liu | I also have these in my configure.ac. |
| 11:24.36 | lardman | what values do they return when you run them on the command line? |
| 11:25.36 | camel_liu | [sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~/spot5] > sdl-config --cflags |
| 11:25.36 | camel_liu | -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT |
| 11:25.55 | camel_liu | [sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~/spot5] > sdl-config --libs |
| 11:25.55 | camel_liu | -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread |
| 11:26.05 | lardman | hmm |
| 11:26.12 | lardman | so it's got the wrong name |
| 11:26.18 | lardman | odd |
| 11:26.54 | lardman | no idea, unless the other code you're talking about doesn't actually link against libSDL itself? |
| 11:26.54 | camel_liu | what correct name should be? |
| 11:27.05 | lardman | well the file has a different name to that the linker wants |
| 11:27.26 | RST38h | http://electoral-vote.com/ Hohohoho! |
| 11:27.27 | lardman | i.e. libSDL-1.2.x.x.x vs -lSDL (aka libSDL.so.x.x.x) |
| 11:28.08 | RST38h | It is a wonder how much the crisis shrunk Dumbfuckistan's boundaries. |
| 11:28.51 | lardman | is that a running count? |
| 11:28.59 | camel_liu | I have libSDL.so, libSDL-1.2.so.0 and libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1. How can I fix this problem? |
| 11:29.15 | lardman | is libSDL.so a symlink that you just created? |
| 11:29.55 | camel_liu | I do not know how to create a symlink. |
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| 11:30.32 | lardman | camel_liu: I told you a few lines back |
| 11:30.35 | lardman | ln -s |
| 11:30.50 | lardman | anyway, it ought to compile now |
| 11:31.18 | camel_liu | this one?  cd /usr/lib; ln -s libSDL-1.2.so.0 libSDL.so.0 |
| 11:31.43 | camel_liu | Could you kindly tell me what does this mean? |
| 11:31.52 | lardman | yes that one |
| 11:31.56 | lardman | cd changes directory |
| 11:32.06 | lardman | ln -s creates a symlink from the first file to the second |
| 11:32.06 | camel_liu | I know cd |
| 11:32.20 | lardman | did you run that command? |
| 11:32.25 | RST38h | May I suggest getting a reading a beginner's guide to Unix? |
| 11:33.03 | camel_liu | but I do not have the file: libSDL.so.0 |
| 11:33.06 | RST38h | Because explaining what "ln -s" is may be somewhat ridiculous |
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| 11:36.21 | lardman | camel_liu: you appear to have a libSDL.so so the Makefile should now work |
| 11:37.16 | camel_liu | I run ls -s, but make is still error |
| 11:37.25 | lardman | ln -s not ls -s |
| 11:37.38 | camel_liu | yes, ln -s libSDL-1.2.so.0 libSDL.so.0 |
| 11:37.47 | lardman | ok, what's the error now? |
| 11:37.49 | lardman | same one? |
| 11:37.57 | camel_liu | yes, same |
| 11:38.09 | lardman | does the linker link to .so.X or does it require .so alone - anyone else? |
| 11:39.05 | Mek | I think ld only uses .so; the .so.X files are used when running stuff, not when linking |
| 11:39.15 | lardman | ok, thanks |
| 11:39.32 | camel_liu | there's not the second file : libSDL.so.0 |
| 11:39.37 | lardman | camel_liu: you need to create another symlink then: ln -s libSDL.so.0 libSDL.so |
| 11:40.24 | camel_liu | [sbox-DIABLO_X86: /usr/lib] > ln -s libSDL.so.0 libSDL.so |
| 11:40.25 | camel_liu | ln: `libSDL.so': File exists |
| 11:40.39 | lardman | odd |
| 11:40.40 | camel_liu | ? |
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| 11:40.52 | lardman | apparently someone else (like the deb) created it for you |
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| 11:41.14 | lardman | what does "ls -rtl libSDL.so" give you? |
| 11:41.29 | camel_liu | I manually install SDL_ttf and SDL_net. |
| 11:41.52 | BoldenGoy | hello everybody. i am looking for someone who is familiar with maemo mapper's database backend. can anybody please help me? |
| 11:41.57 | camel_liu | libSDL.so -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 |
| 11:42.09 | lardman | does libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 exist? |
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| 11:42.48 | camel_liu | yes |
| 11:43.03 | lardman | ok, in that case the error must be for a different lib |
| 11:43.36 | lardman | or is it still asking for libSDL.la? |
| 11:43.59 | camel_liu | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libSDL.la' |
| 11:44.22 | lardman | I'm out of ideas, sorry |
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| 11:45.41 | camel_liu | Thanks a lot anyway |
| 11:45.58 | lardman | sorry we didn't achieve anything, perhaps someone else will have an ideas |
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| 12:03.29 | camel_liu | lardman, When delete SDL_ttf and SDL_net from configure.ac and my sources, make can ended without error |
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| 12:04.00 | camel_liu | Could you explain this? |
| 12:07.11 | camel_liu | lardman? |
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| 12:21.27 | lardman | no, not really :) |
| 12:22.08 | lardman | some wonder of linkers and libraries |
| 12:22.14 | lardman | anyone else have an idea? |
| 12:22.27 | camel_liu | SDL ttf and net have .la files in /usr/lib |
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| 12:24.11 | lardman | and .so files too? |
| 12:25.55 | camel_liu | yes |
| 12:27.27 | lardman | strange, I wonder if it will work if you remove/rename the .a files |
| 12:27.50 | lardman | and put back the SDL_* stuff you removed from the configure.ac file |
| 12:28.10 | camel_liu | There're libSDL_ttf.la, libSDL_ttf.so, libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0 and libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0.6.3 |
| 12:28.43 | camel_liu | and libSDL_ttf.a |
| 12:28.52 | camel_liu | rename libSDL_ttf.a? |
| 12:29.32 | lardman | yeah, rename the .la files, tack .old or something on the end |
| 12:29.46 | lardman | and rename the .a file too |
| 12:29.54 | lardman | in fact only one of those should have been installed |
| 12:31.25 | johnx | did you install libsdlttf from source or from a .deb? |
| 12:32.54 | camel_liu | no, I use:fakeroot apt-get install libsdl-ttf2.0-dev |
| 12:33.27 | camel_liu | and fakeroot apt-get install libsdl_ttf2.0-0 |
| 12:33.47 | camel_liu | Do they collide? |
| 12:34.03 | lardman | doesn't matter, apt-get will sort that out |
| 12:35.07 | johnx | that seems right. |
| 12:35.55 | camel_liu | Done! make without error! |
| 12:36.01 | lardman | good good |
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| 12:36.15 | camel_liu | just rename .a and .la |
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| 12:36.50 | camel_liu | lardman, could you tell me something under the renaming? |
| 12:37.02 | lardman | sure |
| 12:37.35 | lardman | what do you want to know? |
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| 12:38.35 | camel_liu | just a moment, the program failed to run |
| 12:38.47 | camel_liu | Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
| 12:38.47 | camel_liu | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 12:39.06 | lardman | well that's probably nothing to do with the build process |
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| 12:47.18 | camel_liu | lardman, have any other idea? |
| 12:48.57 | lardman | you'll need to look at the source probably and see what's caused it to fail |
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| 12:50.49 | camel_liu | this is not relation to the build process? just regarding source code? |
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| 13:07.45 | lardman | I don't think so, though using a different version of SDL might get rid of the problem if it's an SDL bug |
| 13:07.48 | camel_liu | How can I use a relative font path instead of absolute one like this: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/Vera.ttf in X86 target? |
| 13:07.59 | lardman | no idea from me |
| 13:10.04 | camel_liu | have a good lunch. It does work. After lunch, please give some knowledge about renaming .a and .la. |
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| 13:24.31 | LoCusF | where is the zImage of the kernel running in N810? |
| 13:24.50 | johnx | where on the tablet or on the internet? |
| 13:26.12 | LoCusF | tablet |
| 13:26.24 | johnx | it's on a partition of the NAND |
| 13:26.33 | johnx | I don't remember which one though |
| 13:26.49 | johnx | /dev/mtdblockN where N is 1-4 |
| 13:27.30 | LoCusF | only 4 is mounted now .. |
| 13:27.38 | LoCusF | I mean mtdblock4 |
| 13:27.47 | johnx | well, then that's the rootfs :) |
| 13:27.55 | johnx | initfs is one of the others |
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| 13:31.23 | LoCusF | hmm I think the internet source is better |
| 13:31.36 | johnx | ~flashing |
| 13:31.36 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:32.05 | johnx | it's part of the downloadable .bin file |
| 13:32.20 | johnx | you can use the linux flasher to separate out the zImage |
| 13:34.09 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, pong. |
| 13:34.23 | LoCusF | flasher -u? |
| 13:36.45 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 13:36.46 | infobot | methinks flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 13:37.07 | GeneralAntilles | LoCusF, flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R |
| 13:37.50 | johnx | LoCusF, yeah, I guess flasher -u looks right |
| 13:38.08 | LoCusF | yep |
| 13:38.13 | LoCusF | it just won't boot in qemu |
| 13:38.20 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: old wiki is dead and redirects are in place. |
| 13:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 13:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, X-Fade! :) |
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| 13:42.30 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ are both redirecting to http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 13:42.39 | lopz | hola |
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| 13:42.55 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, because you put the lowercase urls in the wiki.. |
| 13:43.10 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Which they weren't ;) |
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| 13:43.21 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 13:43.24 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So I had to manually look them up to fix :) |
| 13:43.30 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 13:44.38 | X-Fade | IIRC only the first 3 links were affected? |
| 13:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | Seems to be just the flashing pages. |
| 13:45.22 | X-Fade | Yeah, I think they were imported from mediawiki to midgard ;) |
| 13:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | is groggy and confused. |
| 13:46.42 | aquatix | !coffee GeneralAntilles |
| 13:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | Tea for me, thanks. |
| 13:47.18 | aquatix | ah, works for me :) |
| 13:47.21 | aquatix | !tea GeneralAntilles |
| 13:47.22 | aquatix | ;) |
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| 13:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, OK, do you want to complete http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories ? |
| 13:55.45 | dneary | Hi |
| 13:55.57 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking of publishing about the proposal for policy change and then close phase 1 of this task. |
| 13:56.19 | X-Fade | And after that split the rest off to Fremantle categories? |
| 13:56.19 | dneary | GeneralAntilles, X-Fade: Did redirects get done for the pages in http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Kill_the_old_wiki#Category:Midgard_wiki ? |
| 13:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | We'll pick up http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Packaging_policy_proposed_changes for the next Sprint |
| 13:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, click some. :D |
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| 13:56.36 | dneary | Currently they're all going to [[Main Page]] |
| 13:56.41 | dneary | For me, anyway |
| 13:56.51 | X-Fade | dneary: didn't touch those. |
| 13:57.05 | dneary | Similar for http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ and http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ |
| 13:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, yeah, that list was supposed to get redirects too. |
| 13:57.33 | dneary | Just wondering whether it was a local issue, a bug or some un-added redirects |
| 13:57.49 | X-Fade | dneary: please read scroll back ;) |
| 13:58.03 | dneary | X-Fade: So now I know - not a bug :) |
| 13:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, anyway, yeah, the task for the October sprint is done, methinks. |
| 14:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, why'd you switch the PAN link to an OS2006 page? |
| 14:03.59 | dneary | I switched it to the generic Bluetooth page |
| 14:04.04 | dneary | Which is where PAN should be |
| 14:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | Then somebody needs to update Bluetooth networking first. |
| 14:04.48 | GeneralAntilles | Because, currently, it's useless to anybody using recent software. |
| 14:07.19 | dneary | Yes, I would agree |
| 14:07.20 | dneary | What does PAN mean? |
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| 14:07.25 | dneary | private area network? |
| 14:07.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know, it's a blind acronym to users |
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| 14:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | Personal Area Network |
| 14:07.42 | GeneralAntilles | It's adhoc with Bluetooth, more or less. |
| 14:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather turn the Bluetooth networking page into an index page that points to Bluetooth DUN or PAN |
| 14:08.20 | GeneralAntilles | Since having it all on one page is a bit overwhelming. |
| 14:08.57 | dneary | DUN or PAN don't mean anything to most people |
| 14:09.00 | dneary | Networking does |
| 14:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth networking can be used for x, y, and z. There are several methods for networking. |
| 14:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth DUN can is a and can be used for x and y |
| 14:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth PAN is b and can be used for z |
| 14:10.04 | GeneralAntilles | With links to the main articles. |
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| 14:11.27 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: added some polish to the page, - thanks for the work done so far |
| 14:11.34 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing |
| 14:11.57 | mgedmin | complaint: modest won't let me change my IMAP server hostname |
| 14:12.07 | mgedmin | like, WTF? |
| 14:13.15 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: think i'll comb through it tonight and then shake the beehive a bit about it |
| 14:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna make a second run-through |
| 14:13.41 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not really satisfied with the boot-process description. |
| 14:14.05 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 14:14.35 | johnx | mgedmin, wow....I must admit I didn't even believe you until I checked it myself |
| 14:15.52 | Stskeeps | switched to claws |
| 14:16.03 | johnx | really? what pushed you over? |
| 14:17.46 | Stskeeps | modest locking up, not retrieving mails, etc |
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| 14:18.38 | johnx | ah, right. I guess I do remember you talking about that. |
| 14:20.34 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: I'm trying to refactor this article, but to be honest, I find it very confusing |
| 14:20.52 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, that's why I just skipped it and went with the individual articles. |
| 14:21.20 | dneary | Individual articles that don't have titles which are relevant to most people |
| 14:21.38 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth networking is . . . DUN is . . . (link to Bluetooth DUN) PAN is . . . (link to PAN) |
| 14:21.43 | mgedmin | is surprised not to find a bug about it |
| 14:21.52 | GeneralAntilles | That's why you turn the Bluetooth networking page into a page like Bluetooth |
| 14:21.59 | mgedmin | thinks the sourceforge-inspired user interface at garage.maemo.org sucks big time |
| 14:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Then they land there, figure out what they actually need and go to it. |
| 14:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, why are you using Garage? |
| 14:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | Not for Modest, I hope. |
| 14:22.27 | mgedmin | blinks |
| 14:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | As its bugs are tracked in Bugzilla. |
| 14:22.35 | mgedmin | NOOOOOOOOOO |
| 14:22.37 | mgedmin | *headdesk* |
| 14:22.48 | mgedmin | so I go to modest.garage.maemo.org, which is the project page, right? |
| 14:22.55 | mgedmin | I search for a 'bug tracker' under development |
| 14:23.00 | mgedmin | all I find is a 'garage project page' |
| 14:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, well. |
| 14:23.07 | mgedmin | I go there, I find a working bug tracker |
| 14:23.08 | mgedmin | I submit a bug |
| 14:23.25 | GeneralAntilles | Bug sergio about that. |
| 14:23.29 | mgedmin | which of the steps should've pointed me to bugzilla? |
| 14:23.40 | mgedmin | hm |
| 14:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's bundled software |
| 14:23.51 | GeneralAntilles | and bundled software is either 3rd-party or tracked in Bugzilla. |
| 14:24.03 | mgedmin | maybe I should've though "I want to submit a bug about OS2008" instead of "I want to submit a bug about Modest" |
| 14:24.09 | mgedmin | a little knowledge is a dangerous thing :/ |
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| 14:39.59 | GeneralAntilles | starts working on the package categories PSA. |
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| 14:43.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: PSA? |
| 14:43.23 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, apparently that "report abuse" button doesn't lead to a form. |
| 14:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ignore the abuse I reported on myself if you see it. :P |
| 14:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | Public Service Announcement |
| 14:44.07 | GeneralAntilles | Tell everybody about the new categories and about how the transition will work. |
| 14:44.13 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ah, I was typing up something too. Let's spam them ;) |
| 14:44.23 | X-Fade | Btw, check your karma. |
| 14:44.47 | tekojo | Hi |
| 14:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 14:45.12 | X-Fade | hi tekojo. |
| 14:45.13 | Khertan | lol |
| 14:45.26 | Khertan | hi ! |
| 14:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | claims the title "Package categories and you" |
| 14:45.32 | tekojo | As there seems to be a lot of people around, I'd like to share some details on the weekend break |
| 14:45.43 | tekojo | Just talked to the ISP |
| 14:46.14 | tekojo | And the servers should be up all night (EEST), so the US people should expect a fairly normal weekend |
| 14:46.29 | tekojo | Europe can take a weekend off |
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| 14:47.11 | tekojo | I'll and comments to the announcement |
| 14:48.01 | X-Fade | tekojo: Will you be able to make the meeting? Or at least a part of it? |
| 14:48.40 | X-Fade | It will probably be from 22:00 until 00:00 EEST. |
| 14:48.44 | tekojo | X-Fade: Sorry no, iaido training always Saturday 18-20 UTC |
| 14:49.07 | tekojo | And I can't join in the car :-) |
| 14:49.19 | GeneralAntilles | Saturday? |
| 14:49.26 | tekojo | Might make it around 22:45 EEST |
| 14:49.26 | X-Fade | Meeting is today ;) |
| 14:49.46 | tekojo | GA: what's saturday? |
| 14:49.55 | GeneralAntilles | Iaido training, apparently. |
| 14:50.26 | tekojo | Yes, Saturday too, but that's earlier and I rarely make it on Saturday (family) |
| 14:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | So, s/Saturday/Tuesday/ ? |
| 14:51.29 | tekojo | But anyway, I'll try to make it around 20:45 UTC to the meeting |
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| 14:52.03 | X-Fade | tekojo: Ok, great. |
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| 14:52.19 | tekojo | GA: how did you guess the Saturday? |
| 14:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | [9:48am] <tekojo> X-Fade: Sorry no, iaido training always Saturday 18-20 UTC |
| 14:52.44 | X-Fade | Mind reading :) |
| 14:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | Alternative answer: I've installed a GPS tracker in the back of your skull. :P |
| 14:53.06 | tekojo | Oops :-D |
| 14:53.25 | tekojo | Or you know the dojo site address :-) |
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| 14:54.17 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I guess it would be better to stagger the posting of these announcements so we stay on the front page of Planet for as long as possible. |
| 14:55.04 | X-Fade | tekojo: Probably one of those? http://www.iaido.fi/Iaido/clubs.html :) |
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| 14:55.52 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure. If you talk about the categories and AM then I will talk about changing the policy. |
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| 14:56.06 | tekojo | X-Fade: no, for weird reasons relating to the Japanese loving federations, I practise under the finnish kendo federation |
| 14:56.33 | X-Fade | tekojo: Ah, well it was just a google guess for me ;) |
| 14:57.24 | X-Fade | tekojo: Other guess dojo from Jose Martinez? |
| 14:57.31 | tekojo | X-Fade: but we do talk to the iaido federation people (and they do good iaido too) |
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| 14:58.45 | tekojo | X-Fade: getting closer :-) But I don't think Jose can be considered to be associated to only one dojo, he's the highest ranking iaidoka in Finland |
| 14:58.59 | mimshita | hello! I have a question on compiling gstreamer for arm target...the config file returns a strange error, can anyone help me? |
| 14:59.12 | X-Fade | tekojo: Pretty funny what google can do in terms of social engineering ;) |
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| 15:00.21 | tekojo | X-Fade: yep, it's a funny tool |
| 15:00.56 | tekojo | But I need to cycle home. Bye! |
| 15:00.58 | X-Fade | tekojo: You were in Poule 1 of the European championships? :) |
| 15:01.42 | tekojo | X-Fade: Yes, and l lost my second round match due to a stupid technical mistake, would have otherwise been fourth |
| 15:01.52 | X-Fade | tekojo: Nice! |
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| 15:02.16 | tekojo | X-Fade: well, it's a marginal art :-) |
| 15:02.34 | tekojo | But now I really need to go, bye! |
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| 15:03.02 | X-Fade | Fins and marshall arts :) |
| 15:03.05 | X-Fade | http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/2998952960/ |
| 15:03.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 15:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | So you're saying we shouldn't pick a fight with them at the next Summit? ;) |
| 15:03.42 | X-Fade | Probably not ;) |
| 15:05.03 | mimshita | is anyone able to give me some pointers?:D |
| 15:05.46 | lardman | mimshita: pastebin the error and we'll see |
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| 15:08.49 | mimshita | ./configure |
| 15:08.50 | mimshita | checking nano version... 0 (release) |
| 15:08.50 | mimshita | checking build system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu |
| 15:08.50 | mimshita | checking host system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu |
| 15:08.50 | mimshita | checking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c |
| 15:08.50 | mimshita | checking whether build environment is sane... yes |
| 15:08.52 | mimshita | checking for gawk... gawk |
| 15:08.54 | mimshita | checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes |
| 15:08.56 | mimshita | checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no |
| 15:08.58 | mimshita | checking for style of include used by make... GNU |
| 15:09.00 | mimshita | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 15:09.02 | mimshita | checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out |
| 15:09.03 | mgedmin | !paste |
| 15:09.04 | mimshita | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 15:09.06 | mimshita | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. |
| 15:09.07 | mgedmin | ~paste |
| 15:09.08 | infobot | from memory, paste is http://rafb.net/paste/, or see also pb |
| 15:09.08 | mimshita | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 15:10.10 | lardman | or |
| 15:10.13 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 15:10.14 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 15:11.22 | mimshita | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.56 | mimshita | sorry guys, didn't know, it has been a long time since I use IRC:S |
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| 15:13.52 | lardman | probably just a configure script error/assumption |
| 15:14.01 | RST38h | ehlo all |
| 15:14.08 | lardman | look at the test which is performed to see if the conpiler works |
| 15:14.16 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 15:14.47 | RST38h | moo, lardman |
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| 15:15.39 | lardman | mimshita: what CFLAGS are you trying to use btw? |
| 15:16.10 | mimshita | lardman:not using any flags:P |
| 15:17.27 | mimshita | lardman: but I should use these: '--prefix=/usr --disable-gst-debug --disable-static' the catch is i do not know where to sick them |
| 15:17.35 | lardman | ok, just that if you try to use the arm1136 mcpu flags, qemu can't run the resulting code |
| 15:17.45 | lardman | ah |
| 15:17.52 | lardman | well do something like this: |
| 15:18.03 | lardman | CFLAGS="your flags here" ./configure |
| 15:18.12 | lardman | actually |
| 15:18.16 | lardman | no they are configure flags |
| 15:18.20 | lardman | pass them after configure |
| 15:18.25 | mimshita | ok, I'll try that |
| 15:18.27 | lardman | is half asleep |
| 15:18.56 | lcuk2 | nothin new there :P |
| 15:19.19 | lardman | yeah, bacon sarnie would sort it out ;) |
| 15:19.50 | lcuk2 | yeah, i was tempted today to ask for bacon topping at pizzahut |
| 15:20.14 | lardman | lol |
| 15:20.20 | mimshita | landman |
| 15:20.20 | lardman | how was Bond, am going this evening |
| 15:20.42 | lardman | lcuk2: +? |
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| 15:20.52 | mimshita | lardman: still not working but it gives a different error now http://rafb.net/p/pm1YOR23.html |
| 15:21.02 | lcuk2 | lardman, bond was amazing |
| 15:21.11 | lcuk2 | but make sure you get there early so you get decent seats |
| 15:21.17 | lcuk2 | if you are too close you will get neck ache |
| 15:21.20 | lardman | we've booked |
| 15:21.40 | lcuk2 | i booked as well, but not specific seats or vip box or anything |
| 15:21.41 | lardman | mimshita: again, see what the test is in configure |
| 15:22.00 | lardman | mimshita: presuming that the toolchain does actually work for a basic hello world? |
| 15:22.05 | lcuk2 | we were near the front, its a movie where they use the full scene |
| 15:22.27 | lcuk2 | very expansive - we were so close it was more like imax |
| 15:22.36 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/council/view/1225812124/ |
| 15:22.37 | lardman | lcuk2: ah ok, our cinema does specific seats so that should be ok; hopefully quieter too now it's in the week |
| 15:22.57 | lcuk2 | yeah should be - i think they had it on about 10 screens at weekend |
| 15:23.03 | lcuk2 | i couldnt wait to see it though |
| 15:23.04 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: cool |
| 15:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | You guys book specific seats over there? |
| 15:23.12 | GeneralAntilles | Bizarre |
| 15:23.23 | lardman | lcuk2: I watched the first one yesterday as the next is supposed to follow on |
| 15:23.32 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: depends on the cinema |
| 15:23.39 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure we do, just like an airplane ;) |
| 15:23.41 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: but yes nowadays |
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| 15:23.51 | lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, i couldv booked a VIP box - they have perfect view, big comfy chairs isle service and away from the riff raff |
| 15:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.vat19.com/blog/movie%20theater%20stadium%20seating%20loner.jpg <- open seating |
| 15:24.08 | lardman | X-Fade: you obviously go higher class than I do (Easy-scrummage-for-a-seat-jet) |
| 15:24.27 | lardman | X-Fade: no beer in the cinemas over here though :( |
| 15:24.37 | lcuk2 | lardman! yuou get seats , i have to STAND on the wing |
| 15:24.49 | lcuk2 | lardman, im surei n the vip boxes you can |
| 15:24.50 | X-Fade | lardman: everything other than easjet and ryan air then... ;) |
| 15:25.44 | lcuk2 | bbl |
| 15:28.02 | notcoolbuthot | hi, does someone know why a gui application looks according to the maemo theme when launched from the eclipse, but gives an osso_initialize() failed when launched from the console in scratchbox |
| 15:28.03 | notcoolbuthot | ? |
| 15:28.21 | notcoolbuthot | it still works from the console but with a ugly default theme, not the maemo one |
| 15:28.38 | lcuk2 | lardman: What are Delux screenings? |
| 15:28.38 | lcuk2 | Prices includes comfy chairs (lots of leg room, arm rests lift up, reclining seats) and bar service (normal age restrictions apply). Reserved seating. This is only available at selected Cineworld Cinemas |
| 15:28.41 | lcuk2 | cya later |
| 15:29.12 | lardman | lcuk2: not at my local (don't have to drive to it) one unfortunately |
| 15:29.20 | mimshita | lardman: http://rafb.net/p/ohGXsu57.html |
| 15:29.31 | mimshita | lardman: config.log result |
| 15:30.09 | lardman | lines 3 and 4 are your answer |
| 15:30.54 | lardman | you didn't pass them in CFLAGS did you? |
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| 15:37.31 | mimshita | lardman: no i didn't the flags i passed where: '--prefix=/usr --disable-gst-debug --disable-static' |
| 15:37.58 | mimshita | I followed this howto http://www.linuxrising.org/gstreamer-maemo-howto.html |
| 15:38.47 | mimshita | lardman: I compiled the hello.c and hello.cc from the packages/ dir, and they compiled well |
| 15:39.17 | lardman | cool |
| 15:39.35 | lardman | let me have a quick look at that doc |
| 15:39.44 | mimshita | lardman: the problem comes when i tryed to run them, it returned an error: "mmap: Permission denied" |
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| 15:40.00 | qwerty12 | mimshita, using intrepid ibex by any chance? |
| 15:40.08 | lardman | so what are you building atm? liboil? |
| 15:40.25 | lardman | the --disable-gst-debug --disable-static is only for the gstreamer packages |
| 15:40.53 | mimshita | liboil |
| 15:41.21 | mimshita | qwerty12: yup... a bad choice I presume... |
| 15:42.02 | lardman | mimshita: remove the gstreamer related bits for that build |
| 15:42.42 | lardman | e.g. "./configure --prefix=/usr" is enough for liboil |
| 15:43.09 | qwerty12 | mimshita, reduced the mmap value? Heh, add "vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096" to /etc/sysctl.conf (outside scratchbox) and run "sudo sysctl -p" (outside scratchbox) |
| 15:43.42 | mimshita | lardman and qwerty12: ok, thanks! |
| 15:44.26 | qwerty12 | I have to keep running sudo sysctl -p everytime I reboot so it reads that setting. In hardy, sysctl.conf was read automatically at boot :( |
| 15:46.08 | mimshita | dam...I gess the whole problem has to do with mmap... |
| 15:46.15 | lardman | no |
| 15:46.34 | mimshita | on config.log configure:3186: ./a.out mmap: Permission denied |
| 15:46.43 | lardman | your last error was to do with passing unsuitable args to configure |
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| 15:46.52 | lardman | yeah, that's another error ;) |
| 15:46.53 | mimshita | yes:) |
| 15:47.19 | mimshita | i'm gonna change sysctl.conf now |
| 15:48.43 | mimshita | qwerty12: the sysctl you are refering to is the Intrepid on, rigtht? |
| 15:48.57 | qwerty12 | mimshita, yeah |
| 15:49.14 | qwerty12 | You have to do the same thing for hardy too :/ |
| 15:50.22 | mimshita | aleluia!:D |
| 15:50.55 | qwerty12 | Yeah, I keep forgetting to run sysctl until configure spits that message that I can't run compiled programs :P |
| 15:51.11 | mimshita | lol, thanks a lot guys! it has been a hell of a week just to make a streamer for N800:P |
| 15:52.08 | lardman | you should be able to apt-get the binary you know? |
| 15:52.13 | mimshita | i found info about it on the web, but never clear enought to point: "Oh, this is the problem!" |
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| 15:54.01 | mimshita | i should...but for some reason I can't |
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| 15:54.31 | mimshita | probably because i don't have the correct repository in sources.list |
| 15:54.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=site:repository.maemo.org+nano |
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| 15:59.40 | X-Fade | http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2008/11/packaging-policy-change-proposal.html |
| 16:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, there's no link to a list of Thanks in karma. |
| 16:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/post_thanks.php?do=findthanks&u=$USER_ID will work |
| 16:02.24 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: No, because we don't have a search url? |
| 16:02.41 | X-Fade | Hmm ok, let me try to add that link.. |
| 16:03.29 | qwerty12 | loves ITT thanks integration *grin* |
| 16:04.50 | lardman | oo, my discussion karma has suddenly jumped from 8 to 34 ;) |
| 16:06.26 | GeneralAntilles | wishes there were a link to the user list page on some of the karma pages. |
| 16:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe change the breadcrumb from maemo.org > Profile to maemo.org > Profile > $USER_NAME with Profile linking to the list. |
| 16:12.06 | X-Fade | Thanks link added. |
| 16:12.19 | X-Fade | Now is it ITT? or itT or... |
| 16:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | Reggie says "itT" |
| 16:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | Quim says "ITt" |
| 16:12.32 | X-Fade | ok. |
| 16:12.39 | GeneralAntilles | I'd go with Reggie's, personally. |
| 16:12.59 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia prefers capitalizing Internet Tablet, I guess. |
| 16:14.35 | X-Fade | Links changed, now I need to find out where the headers are specified ;) |
| 16:15.05 | Khertan | Ouch ... |
| 16:15.19 | Khertan | after 6 months of no move |
| 16:15.32 | Khertan | i'm now under murray in karma list |
| 16:15.33 | Khertan | huhu |
| 16:15.52 | X-Fade | Khertan: Blog more ;) |
| 16:16.11 | Khertan | héhé |
| 16:16.12 | Khertan | yep |
| 16:16.21 | Khertan | but if i blog i ll get less karma |
| 16:16.33 | Khertan | with burries ... for my poor english ;) |
| 16:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | Psh |
| 16:16.50 | Khertan | now ... i ll make some other stupid widget home applet ... :) |
| 16:16.55 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | The group-think only buries off-topic or idiotic crap. :P |
| 16:16.58 | Khertan | HomeDoNothing |
| 16:17.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, spam applications to Extras. |
| 16:17.08 | GeneralAntilles | That's a sure-fire way to karma whore. |
| 16:17.15 | Khertan | yep |
| 16:17.17 | Khertan | i see that |
| 16:17.23 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan's new line of Hildon widget home applets. |
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| 16:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | HomeRadioButton |
| 16:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | HomeCheckBox |
| 16:17.38 | GeneralAntilles | HomeOK |
| 16:17.40 | GeneralAntilles | HomeCancel |
| 16:17.41 | Khertan | HomeDontClick |
| 16:17.50 | GeneralAntilles | HomeBigRedButton |
| 16:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | That could actually be kinda fun. :P |
| 16:18.06 | Khertan | hum ... it s depends |
| 16:18.16 | Khertan | can i have my own section for apps manager ? |
| 16:18.21 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:18.24 | GeneralAntilles | user/desktop |
| 16:18.30 | Khertan | user/khertan |
| 16:18.31 | |rt| | needs a HomeFinalAnswer button |
| 16:18.31 | Khertan | ? |
| 16:18.32 | X-Fade | There you go ;) |
| 16:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | user/Khertan is so much cooler than you fools |
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| 16:18.58 | Khertan | HomeFinalAnswer ... what it should do. |
| 16:19.00 | Khertan | ? |
| 16:19.11 | |rt| | it's like yes to all when you go to delete something |
| 16:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | Need a War Games button. |
| 16:19.25 | X-Fade | Hmm I almost drop of the first page. Need to blog more ;) |
| 16:19.54 | Khertan | X-fade ... you could also change calc method :) will be faster :) |
| 16:20.01 | X-Fade | It seems I don't do enough Karm Whoring.. |
| 16:20.06 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, do a promotional campaign with Staples and make some money. ;) |
| 16:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | HomeEasyButton® |
| 16:20.15 | Khertan | Staples ? |
| 16:20.25 | X-Fade | if ($user=='xfade') karma += 10k ;) |
| 16:20.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/marketing/easybutton/index.html |
| 16:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | ∞ |
| 16:21.38 | |rt| | hehe i have one of those buttons...they used to sell them at the store...it says that was easy when you press it....doesn't work like it does in the commercials unfortnatly |
| 16:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | The tasks are looking a lot better this Sprint. |
| 16:21.58 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: i don't understand what is the purpose of this things |
| 16:22.14 | |rt| | Khertan: it was just a marketing gimick |
| 16:22.15 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: color="LightGreen" + DONE :) |
| 16:22.57 | Khertan | from what i understand it s hardware shortcut ... |
| 16:23.01 | Khertan | huhu stupid marketing |
| 16:23.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMPF-XMyN7g |
| 16:23.18 | Khertan | Itt thanks 80 |
| 16:23.20 | Khertan | hu ? |
| 16:23.30 | Khertan | this is really 80 itt thanks ? |
| 16:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | sqrt(thanks) * 8 |
| 16:24.15 | Khertan | sqrt ? |
| 16:24.17 | Khertan | strange |
| 16:24.35 | qwerty12 | square root |
| 16:24.43 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'd say reducing external repositories is probably done for this sprint. |
| 16:24.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I think it is a long-term task. |
| 16:25.01 | Khertan | qwerty12: i understand sqrt ... it s trivial for a dev :) |
| 16:25.05 | |rt| | this commercial with the easy button was better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NojiCsZQSr8 |
| 16:25.10 | Khertan | what i found strange is the calc :) |
| 16:25.15 | qwerty12 | Khertan, ah, sorry :) |
| 16:25.16 | GeneralAntilles | The ball's not really in your court anymore, anyway. |
| 16:25.32 | X-Fade | Khertan: That is to limit mega karma whoring ;) |
| 16:25.51 | GeneralAntilles | The GeneralAntilles Solution ;) |
| 16:25.52 | X-Fade | But still gives a little bit of growth if you get more and more thanks.. |
| 16:25.56 | Khertan | X-Fade: i don't make critics ... |
| 16:26.31 | Khertan | just never think about how to calc something like that with limitations ... |
| 16:27.00 | Khertan | so ... this mean i ve got around 100 Thanks ... on itt |
| 16:27.04 | Khertan | ouch ... |
| 16:27.05 | RST38h | Why sqrt and not log? =) |
| 16:27.10 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:27.27 | Khertan | this is high |
| 16:27.43 | Khertan | i mean for me :) |
| 16:28.05 | RST38h | btw, gentlemen, does it mean that itt karma calc is finally enabled? |
| 16:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | only gets 300 with 1400 Thanks! :( |
| 16:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes. |
| 16:28.26 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: _only_ :) |
| 16:28.27 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/view/generalantilles/ |
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| 16:29.00 | Khertan | Itt thanks 301 |
| 16:29.03 | Khertan | nice |
| 16:29.13 | RST38h | ohshitmykarmawentup |
| 16:29.19 | RST38h | I do not see itt karma though |
| 16:29.29 | qwerty12 | doesn't mind getting 248 karma for 969 thanks. I need the boost, whatever it is :P |
| 16:29.44 | RST38h | no, itt karma is there but now I do not see bug reports karma |
| 16:30.01 | johnx | haha...they removed both from my profile :) |
| 16:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, have you reported any? |
| 16:30.10 | johnx | I guess they don't like the way I vote on bugs :D |
| 16:30.11 | Khertan | be back in 5 min ... in the train |
| 16:30.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
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| 16:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | Right, email differences, maybe? |
| 16:30.20 | RST38h | General: joking? =) |
| 16:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, brain fart. |
| 16:30.30 | X-Fade | I did a recount for itt karma, but not everything is done yet. |
| 16:30.37 | RST38h | general: it was there before |
| 16:30.42 | X-Fade | So it can be that your bugs karma isn't updated. |
| 16:30.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 16:30.57 | RST38h | X-Fade: Can I suggest listing karma components to the right of the total valus in profile/list ? |
| 16:30.59 | X-Fade | And a recalc wiped old info. |
| 16:31.42 | X-Fade | I had to get some fast results, so I could show it in the meeting ;) |
| 16:31.52 | X-Fade | The rest will update over the coming day orso. |
| 16:32.25 | X-Fade | RST38h: They are there? |
| 16:32.55 | RST38h | X-Fade: no, just the total is there |
| 16:32.56 | X-Fade | RST38h: You can sort on it? |
| 16:33.39 | RST38h | yes, it looks like I can sort on it |
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| 16:36.15 | Khertan_n810 | re |
| 16:37.12 | *** mode/#maemo [+o GeneralAntilles] by ChanServ |
| 16:37.16 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> October 08 sprint meeting - Today @ 20:00 UTC | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 16:37.21 | *** mode/#maemo [-t] by GeneralAntilles |
| 16:37.30 | *** mode/#maemo [-o GeneralAntilles] by GeneralAntilles |
| 16:37.31 | Khertan_n810 | so category is finalized for package section ? |
| 16:37.46 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, yes. |
| 16:37.47 | Khertan_n810 | or it s still a draft ? |
| 16:37.54 | Khertan_n810 | great |
| 16:37.57 | X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Yes, but it not official until packaging policy has changed. |
| 16:37.58 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta wait for the Application Manager to be updated before you start changing categories, though. |
| 16:38.12 | Khertan_n810 | yep of course |
| 16:38.30 | X-Fade | Although it really does't hurt to change now ;) |
| 16:38.39 | X-Fade | Because it is already a mess. |
| 16:38.51 | Khertan_n810 | but i think of activated the thing that let you use only official section in py2deb |
| 16:39.15 | Khertan_n810 | prepare it for the next release |
| 16:43.01 | Khertan_n810 | rahhhhh sorry for the topic change |
| 16:43.17 | Khertan_n810 | n810 in the pocket |
| 16:44.54 | Khertan_n810 | someone have an idea to help me to find why my app didn t launch from maemo application menu ? |
| 16:45.10 | Khertan_n810 | i have revised 8 time desktop nd service file |
| 16:46.01 | Khertan_n810 | a debug mode |
| 16:46.10 | Khertan_n810 | or something like that ? |
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| 16:48.35 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, Are you "registering" your app? I ripped this from sonata, this (afaik) is the python equivalent of osso_initialise: http://pastebin.com/m3c1426e6 |
| 16:50.02 | Khertan_n810 | not like that |
| 16:50.12 | Khertan_n810 | but it works for my other apps |
| 16:50.19 | GeneralAntilles | wonders whether mvo has started on the appropriate changes or whether we should put Patch Master yerga on the job. :D |
| 16:52.01 | X-Fade | I think we need a community 'gateway' delegate. |
| 16:52.15 | GeneralAntilles | Gateway? |
| 16:52.28 | X-Fade | With commit access. |
| 16:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | For h-a-m? |
| 16:52.49 | X-Fade | yes. |
| 16:52.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 16:53.23 | X-Fade | So there is not 20 people bombarding mvo ;) |
| 16:53.50 | X-Fade | Although we could create a 'go-crazy' branch for that ;) |
| 16:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | fires another volley. |
| 16:55.23 | Khertan_n810 | mvo ? |
| 16:55.24 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12: i ll try |
| 16:55.29 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12: but it s work for my other app simply by setting osso.context |
| 16:55.42 | qwerty12 | :) |
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| 17:01.26 | RST38h | moo qwerty |
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| 17:01.44 | qwerty12 | arf RST38h |
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| 17:03.45 | Stskeeps | wtf at some people.. i'm stand-in for the network admin on this dorm and because their switch was down and is a bit flakey, some guy talks about moving cos "it's too expensive" (they have flatrate 4/1mbit, no quotas, no traffic shaping, for less than 20$ a month) |
| 17:03.50 | Stskeeps | *shrugs* :P |
| 17:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | Stab him in the eye. |
| 17:04.38 | LinuxCode | flakey is the word |
| 17:04.45 | LinuxCode | nobody likes flakey |
| 17:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | No, the word is love. |
| 17:05.16 | LinuxCode | hehe |
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| 17:05.25 | LinuxCode | btw hi guys ;-} and gals |
| 17:05.29 | Stskeeps | yeah, but, flakey in the sense someone comes and bangs the switch on the side when it breaks down completely, without charging them $$ for service :P |
| 17:06.13 | RST38h | Sts: Tell him that when I was a kid, we had to dial in with 2400bd modems and wait for 15 minutes until a line becomes free |
| 17:06.27 | Stskeeps | i told him when i moved to the dorm and blaster was raging, the net was -useless- |
| 17:06.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:06.34 | RST38h | Sts: And the university dropped connection every three hours just to keep people from abusing it |
| 17:06.39 | Stskeeps | and what they have now is luxury problems |
| 17:06.56 | LinuxCode | tell him about £120 monthly phonebills |
| 17:07.00 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 17:07.02 | LinuxCode | I used to ring up |
| 17:07.08 | johnx | oh how the times change :) |
| 17:07.12 | Stskeeps | mm, good old dialup |
| 17:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | dialup days were the worst |
| 17:07.21 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 17:07.25 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12: doesn t help :( |
| 17:07.37 | johnx | really though, inet access at all used to be a "luxury" but now people rely on it |
| 17:07.37 | RST38h | Sts: Also tell him that ayatollas will switch the internet off and make him wear a burkha, eventually |
| 17:07.44 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: I disagree that Bluetooth PAN does exactly what it says on the tin |
| 17:07.50 | derf | No, the days before there _was_ dialup were the worst. |
| 17:07.55 | RST38h | johnx: I relied on it from the very beginning, never was luxury |
| 17:08.02 | dneary | PAN = Private Area Network |
| 17:08.37 | johnx | RST38h, well, us here are on the bleeding edge for the most part. heh...I'm even getting cut a little bit by it :| |
| 17:08.59 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, on the tin? |
| 17:09.27 | RST38h | johnx: infamous japanese phone UIs? =) |
| 17:10.02 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: UK ad reference |
| 17:10.09 | johnx | RST38h, pandora actually. the phone UIs aren't *that* bad |
| 17:10.16 | *** part/#maemo ptman (n=ptman@puro.fixme.fi) |
| 17:10.21 | dneary | Look up "does exactly what it says on the tin" in googol |
| 17:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_area_network |
| 17:10.56 | dneary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Does_exactly_what_it_says_on_the_tin |
| 17:11.03 | johnx | RST38h, re phones: I'd rather have a crappy UI for AGPS that works, than a slick UI on a phone with no AGPS |
| 17:11.27 | dneary | I don't think we should be using technical acronyms in wiki page names |
| 17:11.54 | dneary | I think that that page should be called "Bluetooth networking" |
| 17:11.56 | GeneralAntilles | Then change it to Bluetooth_Personal_Area_Network |
| 17:11.57 | RST38h | johnx: well, pandora is not out yet =) |
| 17:12.10 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, problem is, then the page is giant covering DUN and PAN. |
| 17:12.13 | dneary | Although if we're being accurate it'd be "Bluetooth networking on Diablo" |
| 17:12.38 | johnx | RST38h, and it *might* not be out until January thanks to delays from their LCD provider |
| 17:13.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: if the maemo reconstructed proposal falls to the ground, wouldn't it be a good roadmap for deblet? (i prefer it being maemo really, less work and more people interested.. :P) |
| 17:13.10 | dneary | I think you can break out DUN under a link "Configuring dial-up networking over Bluetooth" that points to "Bluetooth dial-up networking" |
| 17:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | I would prefer not to put versions in titles. |
| 17:13.36 | dneary | But job #1 is fix the Bluetooth networking page if it's broken, not create other pages |
| 17:14.01 | dneary | I absolutely agree about not putting version names in page names |
| 17:14.03 | johnx | Stskeeps, seems quite reasonable |
| 17:14.27 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, fix it if you want to. |
| 17:14.28 | dneary | But right now, "Bluetooth PAN" doesn't do what it says on the tin because it's Diablo specific |
| 17:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | I'm washing my hands of it. |
| 17:14.46 | dneary | To be better, the page should include instructions for doing PAN on older releases |
| 17:15.13 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: That sounds menacing... |
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| 17:15.22 | dneary | My goal is not to piss you off here. |
| 17:15.26 | GeneralAntilles | DUMMY connections weren't broken in Chinook. |
| 17:15.37 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not pissed off, I just don't care. |
| 17:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have a strong enough opinion either way to fix it myself |
| 17:16.13 | GeneralAntilles | so if somebody else wants to fix it, then I wont tell them how to paint the barn. ;) |
| 17:16.29 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, hehe |
| 17:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | As long as the information is accurate and up-to-date. |
| 17:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, what I mean to say is: I'm arguing over it for absolutely no reason. I actually don't care. Do whatever you think is right. ;) |
| 17:20.32 | Khertan_n810 | is going crazy !!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | gives Khertan_n810 some downers. |
| 17:20.47 | Khertan_n810 | 2 hours to code a soft |
| 17:21.13 | Khertan_n810 | two day to try to understand why it doesn t launch from the menu |
| 17:21.48 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: i've wasted several days on gtk compilation. that was fun :P |
| 17:21.55 | Stskeeps | you learn by those experiences though |
| 17:22.39 | Khertan_n810 | no ... i only change name from the current working file for pygtkeditor,mcalendar and my other app |
| 17:23.13 | Khertan_n810 | but it doesn t work |
| 17:23.17 | Khertan_n810 | i ll learn something if i could have log oor debug trace |
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| 17:23.43 | GeneralAntilles | pokes at Maemo Reconstructed again. |
| 17:24.04 | Khertan_n810 | when u understand why it doesn t work you can learn something |
| 17:24.24 | Khertan_n810 | Reconstructed Again ? |
| 17:24.33 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed |
| 17:24.47 | Stskeeps | that's the name for when the reconstruction fails, nokia goes bankrupt and we're stuck with our n8x0s ;) |
| 17:24.56 | Stskeeps | (reconstructed again) |
| 17:25.37 | Stskeeps | .. I have horrible jokes |
| 17:25.49 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 17:26.10 | Khertan_n810 | and i have horrible connection |
| 17:26.26 | Khertan_n810 | page still loading |
| 17:26.55 | Stskeeps | oh, that's not always your connection's fault |
| 17:26.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:27.26 | Khertan_n810 | think of rewriting the maemo menu itself |
| 17:30.09 | Khertan_n810 | RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!! |
| 17:30.22 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810 is turning into the Incredible Hulk. |
| 17:30.35 | Stskeeps | who wouldn't after developing for a while for maemo? :P |
| 17:30.35 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, when you do that, could you implement lockable desktop applets too? :P |
| 17:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | Fremantle |
| 17:30.52 | Khertan_n810 | will throw is tablet from the train window |
| 17:30.58 | Khertan_n810 | s/is/his |
| 17:31.05 | qwerty12 | Fuck Fremantle, it would be nice to have it now |
| 17:31.16 | johnx | also, I want a pony |
| 17:31.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i would love that feature too :P |
| 17:31.35 | derf | TWO ponies. |
| 17:31.39 | Khertan_n810 | i just want to make my app laucnhable by the menu ! |
| 17:31.44 | qwerty12 | Meh, wanting lockable desktop applets is hardly asking for the world |
| 17:32.25 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Suggestions on my "Using PAN on older devices" paragraph, please? |
| 17:32.27 | dneary | It is possible to use PAN to share internet connections via PAN between two Nokia devices. However, on older devices it is recommended to use dial-up networking, since this is the normal menthod which smartphones use to share internet access over bluetooth. |
| 17:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | dial-up networking involves phone lines |
| 17:33.16 | johnx | Khertan_n810, I'm not all that familiar with the menu, but I remember people having problems that have to do with names of things not matching in different places |
| 17:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth DUN (dial-up networking) |
| 17:33.48 | Khertan_n810 | johnx : name is ok i review it 20 time |
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| 17:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | However, on most cellphones, only Bluetooth DUN (Dial-Up Networking) is supported for tethering. |
| 17:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, can you section-title-ize this: Scripts to ease deployment and debugging built applications inside Scratchbox+rootstrap to emulated and actual devices. ? |
| 17:35.51 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: It looks to me like the whole article is how to do this on the master device (the one sharing internet) not the tablet |
| 17:36.16 | dneary | "activate dund in /etc/default/bluez-utils on Debian"??? |
| 17:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think we need to cover PAN setup on other devices. |
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| 17:36.43 | GeneralAntilles | s/PAN/networking/ |
| 17:37.16 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: Deployment and debugging support scripts maybe |
| 17:37.24 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, for example: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#SDK_.28developer_kit_for_the_platform.29 |
| 17:37.57 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:38.33 | Stskeeps | so section instead of bold |
| 17:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | Makes it a little easier to read. |
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| 17:39.15 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure what i should do ;) making it more of a section title? |
| 17:39.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 17:39.56 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:40.00 | Stskeeps | editing' |
| 17:40.04 | GeneralAntilles | Looks OK to me as it is right now. |
| 17:40.07 | GeneralAntilles | I did two edits. |
| 17:40.15 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:41.28 | Stskeeps | going to comb it a bit through and then post on maemo-developers then. |
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| 17:42.15 | Khertan_n810 | re |
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| 17:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully qgil's gonna get back to me with his meeting outline. |
| 17:44.11 | Stskeeps | sprint tonight or? |
| 17:44.16 | Stskeeps | +meeting |
| 17:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Sprint today. |
| 17:45.10 | GeneralAntilles | 2:15 |
| 17:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | hours |
| 17:45.55 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 17:46.24 | disco_stu | hi |
| 17:46.26 | andre__ | Hmm. So am I expected to add the one new task I plan for November to add to https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/November_08 already? |
| 17:46.43 | disco_stu | anyone knows how to unminimize apps like Links2 ? |
| 17:46.48 | andre__ | is always confused by the amount of wiki pages we have |
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| 17:48.39 | disco_stu | NaN ? |
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| 17:50.17 | johnx | disco_stu, hmm, there was an desktop applet that let you do that |
| 17:50.52 | disco_stu | some CLI command ? |
| 17:50.56 | qwerty12 | disco_stu, try kotczarny's kciconsbox: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18542 |
| 17:51.05 | johnx | qwerty12, nice catch :) |
| 17:51.12 | disco_stu | thanks :) |
| 17:51.13 | Khertan_n810 | hum now i get freeze in gtk.main() |
| 17:51.25 | johnx | disco_stu, if you want to do it from the command line wmctrl should do the trick |
| 17:51.25 | Khertan_n810 | what could do that ? |
| 17:51.56 | disco_stu | is it bundled ? |
| 17:52.06 | disco_stu | or a third party deb ? |
| 17:58.00 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, stick it on the proposals page, I guess. |
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| 17:58.21 | GeneralAntilles | The Sprint instruction page needs to be written. |
| 17:58.31 | andre__ | gnarf :) |
| 17:58.40 | andre__ | i'll just a file a bug against myself. |
| 17:58.52 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_proposals |
| 17:59.25 | GeneralAntilles | I guess I should flesh out the index page: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints |
| 17:59.39 | GeneralAntilles | Quim seems to be the only one who really knows how everything is supposed to work. |
| 17:59.53 | andre__ | same impression here ;-) |
| 18:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | I guess there's kinda this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Sprint_progress |
| 18:00.30 | Khertan_n810 | arg ! i ve found ! |
| 18:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | and: https://wiki.maemo.org/Pushing_a_maemo.org_task |
| 18:00.42 | Khertan_n810 | stupid things ! |
| 18:00.45 | Khertan_n810 | a corrupted png file |
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| 18:02.29 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I think I'm going to miss tonight's meeting - either I will still be working, or I'll be travelling from work home |
| 18:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | Soo, just me and etrunko, then? :P |
| 18:04.08 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://rafb.net/p/SScdHh91.html , anything that needs an injection of executive speak? |
| 18:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Looks fine. |
| 18:05.00 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 18:05.04 | etrunko | GeneralAntilles: I'm attending |
| 18:05.13 | etrunko | (at last) |
| 18:05.15 | etrunko | :P |
| 18:05.50 | GeneralAntilles | (Apparently) I'm running this one. ;) |
| 18:07.00 | etrunko | GeneralAntilles: I know a bit about scrum... Don't know how the process is being adapted to our reality though |
| 18:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, yeah, I figured you would. :D I was considering shoving it off on you, but you haven't had the opportunity to pick up the specifics of the maemo.org sprints. |
| 18:09.01 | etrunko | yup |
| 18:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | Not that anybody but Quim is really all that clear on them anyway. |
| 18:09.13 | etrunko | I can try for the next one |
| 18:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, think I should commit this for this Sprint? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Document_the_maemo.org_Sprint_procedure |
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| 18:22.03 | Stskeeps | posted.. and now where is my pizza. |
| 18:23.44 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: should i cross-post on iTT "Developers" too or will that just attract unwanted cesspool? :P |
| 18:24.16 | Jaffa | I don't think there are any good low-level devs on ITT but not on -developers |
| 18:24.28 | Stskeeps | true |
| 18:24.44 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: One input I'd give to the meeting: we, as a council, haven't done anything with the voting process etc. yet. |
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| 18:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, do you want to pick up a task for this Sprint? |
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| 18:29.35 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, 3844 and 3845 are really high prio? just asking, if you think so, you're probably right :) |
| 18:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, well, they're blockers for implementing the new package categories. |
| 18:30.05 | andre__ | ah, ok |
| 18:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | So they basically have to be out in the next SSU push. |
| 18:30.31 | andre__ | understand |
| 18:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Define_voting_procedure_for_Community_Council_elections ? |
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| 18:45.11 | vincenzo88 | Hello all |
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| 18:54.11 | RST38h | herro, herr pupnik |
| 18:54.24 | vincenzo88 | You are my herro! |
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| 19:01.17 | pupnik810 | hehe |
| 19:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=239338#post239338 |
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| 19:07.49 | Grackle | I like the idea of range voting. |
| 19:13.19 | GeneralAntilles | 45 minutes until -> #maemo-meeting |
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| 19:24.39 | TPC | #maemo-meeting? whats that? |
| 19:25.11 | TPC | whatever it is, sounds like it could be interesting to watch |
| 19:25.59 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/October_08 |
| 19:26.26 | TPC | ok, thanks |
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| 19:29.00 | woglinde | hi |
| 19:29.10 | X-Fade | feels bad whenever he needs to reject a project on garage which has Maemo in the title.. |
| 19:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:29.32 | GeneralAntilles | Just tell them to flip it around to x for Maemo |
| 19:29.33 | X-Fade | I always hope they come back.. |
| 19:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | Can you tell them why? |
| 19:30.13 | X-Fade | Yes, I have a default text for that. |
| 19:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 19:30.34 | X-Fade | But still, rejection feels bad ;) |
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| 19:36.19 | etrunko | Suggest Moema |
| 19:36.19 | etrunko | :) |
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| 19:54.26 | GeneralAntilles | 5 minutes -> #maemo-meeting |
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| 20:00.03 | Stskeeps | ponders idly |
| 20:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | Now -> #maemo-meeting ;) |
| 20:00.32 | Stskeeps | my national tv is just rickrolling an entire tv channel with obama+rickrolling. |
| 20:00.38 | Stskeeps | that's disturbing. |
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| 20:07.04 | Stskeeps | on a sidenote, when was power management a differentiation area for nokia? i thought it was the ui, seamless connectivity and apps :P |
| 20:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | Since they began talking about differentiation. |
| 20:07.47 | Stskeeps | mmkay |
| 20:07.50 | X-Fade | Since the first phone.. |
| 20:08.00 | X-Fade | Power is always a selling point. |
| 20:08.31 | X-Fade | And you don't want to know how many patents they have on that ;) |
| 20:08.33 | Stskeeps | true, but then, libosso should be closed by that logic, as it really aids in making apps sleep and such :P |
| 20:08.44 | Stskeeps | and other components |
| 20:08.57 | GeneralAntilles | Don't give them ideas. |
| 20:09.03 | Stskeeps | sorry :P |
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| 20:11.03 | Stskeeps | what do they mean by "legacy" as a reason of not opening btw? |
| 20:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | Inertia, I guess. |
| 20:17.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's that way mostly because it's already that way |
| 20:17.45 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:18.04 | GeneralAntilles | Newton's first law and all that. ;) |
| 20:18.51 | Stskeeps | i'm glad there was finally an official reason why BME is as it is, though |
| 20:18.56 | Stskeeps | and that's understandable |
| 20:19.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they don't want people blowing themselves up. ;) |
| 20:19.49 | Stskeeps | sucidal maemo hackers, eh. |
| 20:19.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:20.06 | Stskeeps | +i |
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| 20:35.02 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure, I can help push the Nokia guys involved. |
| 20:35.26 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, since you're working on the server, I'll pick up the responsibility. ;) |
| 20:36.39 | X-Fade | Well, there will be times where I need to wait on ISP etc to do something. So I can help. |
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| 20:38.39 | bilaw_live | hallo all! |
| 20:39.22 | bilaw_live | live from a bar -- a new feat for me! |
| 20:39.44 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:39.51 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray, tablets! |
| 20:39.52 | Stskeeps | but definately not a first in this channel ;) |
| 20:40.43 | guardian | long time i didn't use my n800, are there progress with input methods lately ? handwriting recognition ? |
| 20:40.45 | bilaw_live | oh, stskeeps, many, MANY pb trying to install deblet;;;; |
| 20:41.02 | Stskeeps | bilaw_live: did it steal your wife? |
| 20:41.17 | bilaw_live | (Hello, by the way!) |
| 20:42.03 | bilaw_live | not even, it'd have meant i had 1! |
| 20:43.11 | Stskeeps | hehe, because that's the only thing it guarantees it -might- do :P deblet has so far been a good exersise in showing the feasability of open OS's on tablets |
| 20:43.21 | Stskeeps | without it having to be a "hack" |
| 20:44.21 | Stskeeps | and collect research for improving maemo, or pushing it in the right direction |
| 20:45.23 | bilaw_live | my experience with it is that it installed sth "somewhere", for 2 hours, and then... nothing! I must have screwed w/ the partition;;; |
| 20:45.50 | Stskeeps | hehe. many reasons for that to happen :) |
| 20:46.22 | bilaw_live | I Have to go, ill try and locate the logs if yore interestedc... |
| 20:46.28 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 20:56.54 | RST38h | http://www.surveyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ecv-2006.png |
| 20:56.58 | RST38h | hehehe |
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| 21:11.31 | RST38h | qwerties breed! |
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| 21:42.09 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 21:44.12 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.13 | Stskeeps | er |
| 21:44.16 | Stskeeps | bad paste |
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| 21:47.44 | Stskeeps | wb |
| 21:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid client |
| 21:48.19 | GeneralAntilles | Will sometimes stop redrawing windows when you open a new tab. |
| 21:48.24 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 21:48.45 | Stskeeps | ponders playing with debootstrap a bit |
| 21:50.04 | Stskeeps | atleast one person commented on proposal so far ;) |
| 21:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | Obama crazy person #4 today. |
| 21:53.15 | lcuk2 | is the meeting due to start or have i missed it? |
| 21:53.30 | Stskeeps | missed |
| 21:53.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:53.37 | lcuk2 | ahhh phoey |
| 21:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, what, you wanted to commit a task? ;) |
| 21:54.25 | lcuk2 | i wanted to keep myself informed is all :) i thought 22:00 utc was 10pm uk time |
| 21:54.33 | lcuk2 | crap! |
| 21:54.37 | lcuk2 | even worse lol |
| 21:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting |
| 21:54.45 | GeneralAntilles | Should be up tomorrow |
| 21:54.46 | lcuk2 | misread time |
| 21:55.24 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk2, it's when eastenders finishes :p |
| 21:55.51 | lcuk2 | lol, i have had it in my head that it was 10pm - doesnt matter |
| 21:55.55 | lcuk2 | gets in his time machine |
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| 22:02.07 | Jaffa | debates staying up to see the first few results, incl- Florida & Ohio |
| 22:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | So not worth it. |
| 22:05.09 | Stskeeps | heh, is it just me or has the terrorist rhethoric at all been in play? i haven't heard anything about "there are warnings terrorist might bomb polling places" or the other crap :P |
| 22:07.20 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: mostly around the "palling around with terrorists" stuff from Palin AFAICT |
| 22:08.17 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 22:15.08 | Stskeeps | heh, upstart, planned feature: "Events generated at timed intervals or scheduled times" |
| 22:15.11 | Stskeeps | that's where alarmd went |
| 22:16.22 | Veggen | Stskeeks: you mean...somerthing like...cron? |
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| 22:17.36 | Stskeeps | yeah, obviously. but if you've seen how tablets work, cron isn't always the best choice |
| 22:17.45 | Stskeeps | think upstart integrating with retu wakeups and such |
| 22:18.06 | Jaffa | There's no reason a crond couldn't. |
| 22:18.26 | Stskeeps | well have to go in over alarmd i guess |
| 22:19.00 | Stskeeps | .. *ponders sleep* |
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| 22:26.49 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: that feature has been in "planned features" for years :| |
| 22:28.09 | suihkulokki | the retu driver should be rewritten to look more like a regular RTC device |
| 22:31.07 | Veggen | As Jaffa said: I would prefer if someone implemented an alternative cron. cron interface/configuration isn't bad, and it's *well known* since the 70s. |
| 22:31.32 | lcuk2 | why cant u just use the standard one? |
| 22:31.42 | lcuk2 | does it have to be "alternative" |
| 22:32.12 | Veggen | lcuk: One can. But it could be that it needs to be rewritten/modified a bit to be a bit nicer, power-wise etc. |
| 22:32.31 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: yeah, but when did you see people using RTC alarm latest? :P |
| 22:32.40 | lcuk2 | i thought it wasnt cron that was the problem, but the things you dangle from it |
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| 22:36.19 | Jaffa | Mauku's menu seems massivley oversized. Is this a new feature? |
| 22:36.25 | lcuk2 | does anyone have anything quantitive about crons battery use |
| 22:36.33 | lcuk2 | jaffa, i really like that - i was surprised |
| 22:37.03 | Jaffa | I'd rather have consistency since Fremantle's doing something here anyway |
| 22:37.30 | lcuk2 | mouths out "mauku" every time now, i was with hendrik when he gave his summit interview |
| 22:37.48 | Jaffa | More to the point, it's not talking to jaiku at all for me |
| 22:38.28 | lcuk2 | mine works or seems to - im not sure if it live refreshes, but it did when i pressed refresh |
| 22:38.58 | Jaffa | Mine says "unable to refresh" |
| 22:39.07 | lcuk2 | does normal net work>? |
| 22:39.50 | Jaffa | yeah, on SSH and BBC live update site - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7700298.stm |
| 22:39.59 | lcuk2 | jaffa, did u see my big visible from orbit brightness applet |
| 22:40.16 | Jaffa | (which works well on Maemo once you stop the Flash scripts) |
| 22:40.25 | Jaffa | lcuk2: yeah, looked good. |
| 22:40.40 | Jaffa | How you showing current value? |
| 22:40.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, you aren't on o2 internet/be [there |
| 22:40.55 | qwerty12_N800 | are you? |
| 22:41.07 | Jaffa | Yeah, be |
| 22:41.08 | qwerty12_N800 | sorry, h-i-m again :/ |
| 22:41.25 | Jaffa | Known routing issue? |
| 22:41.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, yeah, my jaiku is down too. i think it's an o2/be problem |
| 22:41.40 | Jaffa | FFS |
| 22:41.50 | qwerty12_N800 | most sites aren't coming for me :/ |
| 22:42.17 | lcuk2 | yeah jaffa, you have a problem - you've been rewiring now for 2 weeks ;) |
| 22:42.29 | Stskeeps | mm. following US tv coverage with commercials makes me want to die |
| 22:42.42 | Stskeeps | sickening commercials :P |
| 22:42.59 | Jaffa | lcuk2: heh |
| 22:43.40 | lcuk | im so nervous whenever i have to type that damned /msg nickserv identify 12345 thing |
| 22:44.00 | johnx | set your IRC to do it :P |
| 22:44.00 | Jaffa | :) |
| 22:44.00 | Stskeeps | make it a autoperform instead? :P |
| 22:44.08 | lcuk | it does when i log in |
| 22:44.15 | lcuk | but if the name was in use it doesnt |
| 22:44.21 | Jaffa | lcuk: That's the same code as my luggage! |
| 22:44.25 | lcuk | !!! |
| 22:44.35 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, use IRC-proxy: you paste in URLs and someone will cut+paste it to pastebin :) |
| 22:45.06 | lcuk | if you put goatse into pastebin will the universe collapse? |
| 22:45.06 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 22:45.10 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 22:45.39 | qwerty12_N800 | there is an ascii goatse (i know, not hard to do) |
| 22:46.01 | qwerty12_N800 | favourite goatse has to be goatsemarathon |
| 22:46.47 | johnx | I miss the more innocent internet memes of yore ... |
| 22:47.12 | lcuk | what? like tubgirl? |
| 22:47.27 | johnx | more like "all your base" |
| 22:47.34 | lcuk | or were yoiu meaning hamster dance type |
| 22:47.50 | johnx | gah...nothing innocent about hamster dance O_o |
| 22:47.55 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:48.05 | johnx | a true test of a hu-man's will to live |
| 22:48.09 | qwerty12_N800 | still wants to run http://sam.zoy.org/lmos/ in an internet cafe and duck out |
| 22:49.14 | lcuk | for anyone remotely curious, its the lastmeasure OS, ive heard very evil things and have never been tempted to click |
| 22:49.24 | Veggen | Anyone remember Canter and Siegel? |
| 22:49.27 | Jaffa | What is it? (tablet cr... ah) |
| 22:49.36 | Veggen | (when we're talking history here :) |
| 22:49.55 | qwerty12_N800 | the site's ok (i promise) but linked content and actual os is not :p |
| 22:51.08 | qwerty12_N800 | but i find it funny that the creator of that os keeps his cv on the same site as lmos... |
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| 22:53.00 | l7 | http://sam.zoy.org/lmos/ sounds interesting |
| 22:53.06 | l7 | but not interesting enough to click |
| 22:53.16 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, it's a great os |
| 22:53.59 | l7 | it's an OS? |
| 22:54.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's interesting that people are so vocal about an issue at one point, but then don't seem to want to step up and be constructive on that same issue later. |
| 22:54.17 | l7 | oh, i see |
| 22:54.23 | l7 | i thought it was a shock site |
| 22:54.25 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ? |
| 22:54.39 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it's easier to discuss than act |
| 22:54.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, not one response on the voting system thread on itT. |
| 22:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yet it generated dozens of replies before. |
| 22:55.04 | Jaffa | Pfft |
| 22:55.15 | lcuk | peopel are concentrating on another kind of voting tongiht |
| 22:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, who cares? We're all fucked either way. |
| 22:55.39 | Jaffa | isn't convinced that the approach last time was significantly sub-optimal. |
| 22:55.45 | qwerty12_N800 | didn't find anything wrong with how the voting was conducted. then again, i wasn't looking for problems |
| 22:55.46 | Stskeeps | GA for president! |
| 22:55.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:55.50 | l7 | Goatse Rescue Floppy? wtf? |
| 22:56.18 | GeneralAntilles | "As my first and last act as President I say, 'Fuck you guys.'" |
| 22:56.41 | Jaffa | Hmm. The Auto-reloading AJAXey goodness on the bbc.co.uk URL above doesn't work if you zoom out in microb to 80% |
| 22:57.10 | Jaffa | If I raise a bug, it'll just get marked WFM when they get up tomorrow |
| 22:57.23 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you sound like you really dont like the guy on a personal level |
| 22:57.33 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, which guy? |
| 22:57.43 | GeneralAntilles | I don't like lots of people, so it's hard to keep track. :D |
| 22:58.08 | lcuk | obama |
| 22:58.16 | GeneralAntilles | I don't like either of the bastards. |
| 22:58.44 | lcuk | ok, at least you are balanced |
| 22:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | They're deceitful, evil people out to improve things for only themselves and their cronies. |
| 22:58.58 | woglinde | better obama then mccain or bush |
| 22:59.02 | Jaffa | Unlike the Council? *cough* |
| 22:59.03 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ |
| 22:59.05 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ |
| 22:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | woglinde, giant douche or turd sandwich. |
| 22:59.27 | GeneralAntilles | Neither of them are very appealing. |
| 22:59.46 | lcuk | lol @ jaffa |
| 22:59.51 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hey, I didn't say I wasn't a hypocrite! :P |
| 23:00.29 | Jaffa | Palin's the decider, I think. I didn't mind either (from afar), but slightly preferred Obama. But after the last few weeks... |
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| 23:00.56 | lcuk | obama really has stepped up |
| 23:01.15 | Jaffa | Never thought Bush'd look sensible, well-balanced & intelligent ;-) |
| 23:01.20 | dmsuperman | How can I hide that "tab esc pgup pgdn ctrl" bar in the terminal? |
| 23:01.28 | dmsuperman | I use aa keyboard so I don't need it |
| 23:01.58 | Jaffa | dmsuperman: View > show toolbar > ... |
| 23:02.09 | lcuk | control panel / text input settings / onscreen tab and languages / settings |
| 23:02.17 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, different thing. |
| 23:02.23 | lcuk | untick everything |
| 23:02.28 | dmsuperman | Wow, that was stupid of me |
| 23:02.31 | dmsuperman | :P |
| 23:02.35 | Jaffa | :) |
| 23:02.40 | dmsuperman | I didn't even think that was it |
| 23:03.09 | dmsuperman | Hrm, doubt it for this one but is the scrollbar possible to hide? |
| 23:03.38 | dmsuperman | Just a waste of space for me, screen doesn't relaly make use of it |
| 23:03.51 | Jaffa | Not easily. Wait for Fremantle (hopefully) |
| 23:03.57 | lcuk | sky and virgin have kissed and made up |
| 23:04.09 | LinuxCode | ? |
| 23:04.10 | Jaffa | 'bout time |
| 23:04.10 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:04.19 | LinuxCode | lcuk, elaborate please |
| 23:04.22 | LinuxCode | and hi mate |
| 23:04.23 | dmsuperman | Jaffa: New terminal? |
| 23:04.25 | lcuk | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/3380775/Sky-and-Virgin-end-cable-TV-row.html |
| 23:04.33 | lcuk | hiya lc :) |
| 23:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, new scrolling method. |
| 23:04.47 | LinuxCode | maybe sky noticed that virgin one wasnt a bad channel |
| 23:04.50 | dmsuperman | Ah |
| 23:04.57 | Jaffa | dmsuperman: Will have consistent (and, expectation is scrollbarless) scrolling |
| 23:05.18 | dmsuperman | Sweet |
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| 23:05.33 | lcuk | scrollbarless is tricky, and does need some method to quickly go through |
| 23:05.42 | Jaffa | lo dneary |
| 23:05.52 | dmsuperman | This will be for the window manager / toolkit, or just xterm? |
| 23:05.59 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, have you had the opportunity to try inertial on an iPhone? |
| 23:06.07 | LinuxCode | lol looks like sky is getting more out of it than virgin! |
| 23:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, everything. |
| 23:06.19 | dneary | hi Ja |
| 23:06.19 | Jaffa | dmsuperman: ^^^ |
| 23:06.25 | dneary | hi Jaffa even |
| 23:06.29 | lcuk | LinuxCode, yeah, virgin are being raped |
| 23:06.30 | dmsuperman | Sweet, I'm excited :) |
| 23:06.32 | LinuxCode | 6 channels versus 2 |
| 23:06.46 | LinuxCode | 1 rubbish channel available on freeview anyway! |
| 23:06.47 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad it's in the range of 6-8 months away |
| 23:06.55 | lcuk | those 2 are probably asked for more on virgin helplines than anything |
| 23:07.01 | dmsuperman | Everything good takes time |
| 23:07.07 | LinuxCode | lcuk, yeh |
| 23:07.10 | qwerty12_N800 | dmsuperman, gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xt erm/scrollbar 0 |
| 23:07.24 | dmsuperman | qwerty12_N800: I love you, thanks :) |
| 23:07.30 | Jaffa | oh, cool |
| 23:07.32 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 23:07.37 | LinuxCode | I dont have sky or virgin |
| 23:08.03 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, not really, ive had a quick browse around, do you mean the a-z listing or something else |
| 23:08.11 | LinuxCode | most tv is rubbish |
| 23:08.11 | lcuk | i am a virgin |
| 23:08.18 | lcuk | user |
| 23:08.22 | dmsuperman | ... |
| 23:08.23 | LinuxCode | enough of rubbish on freeview |
| 23:08.44 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, it works pretty well for medium-length pages |
| 23:09.10 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yeah - everything does : ive got it in liqbase remember and my graffiti wall is massive now |
| 23:10.04 | lcuk | but there is a point where your eyes go funny at scrolling at a zillion miles an hour - ive put in a continuous calendar test - it scrolls forever but i go crosseyed if i move more than a month a second |
| 23:10.52 | lcuk | errr forget i said that, i wasnt gonna mention the calendar yet |
| 23:11.13 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody's got a half-baked PIM solution these days. :P |
| 23:11.54 | lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles :) but ive got 8 years experience in database scheduler/tasks/jobs/workflow ;) |
| 23:12.19 | Jaffa | won't hold his breath |
| 23:12.23 | lcuk | heh |
| 23:12.35 | lcuk | i really dont want to though i enjoy throwing graphics around |
| 23:12.58 | GeneralAntilles | What was johnx's quote? "Yep, emacs." |
| 23:13.08 | lcuk | i dont like getting stuck in random apis - i would like to see khertan extend where hes going with mcalendar |
| 23:13.37 | lcuk | heh |
| 23:13.44 | Jaffa | Worrying that khertan's rewriting it from scratch. Easy to do as a developer |
| 23:14.01 | lcuk | yeah jaffa, hes gone off the radar somewhat |
| 23:14.20 | lcuk | but so have others, we know where a few have gone, hopefully the rest are also busy in productive ways |
| 23:14.33 | Jaffa | More fun than properly finishing an app (sometimes it's the right answer, but often not) |
| 23:15.32 | lcuk | yeah - the push i had recently stabilizing and releasing liqbase for general use wasnt the best time - it felt more like work than the relaxing time i normally have |
| 23:15.42 | lcuk | work is for the daytime |
| 23:15.48 | Jaffa | :) |
| 23:16.00 | Jaffa | and the night time for me ATM :( |
| 23:16.07 | GeneralAntilles | Finishing projects is the worst. |
| 23:16.09 | GeneralAntilles | 'night, Jaffa. |
| 23:16.16 | lcuk | no, i enjoy getting projects out there |
| 23:16.32 | lcuk | i work hard and try to give the best experience i can to customers |
| 23:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's fun in the beginning, and it's fun once it's out |
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| 23:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | But that span of time in the middle is no fun. |
| 23:17.00 | lcuk | the only times i dont like releasing is when someone over my head tells me that its time to go |
| 23:17.49 | lcuk | normally ive got goals and targets that i meet (like the summit was one) but if they get radically altered it throws out my mind |
| 23:18.27 | lcuk | jaffa, have you seen the video from tim at cbase |
| 23:18.39 | Jaffa | Not watched it yet |
| 23:18.51 | Jaffa | Was wondering when he had time! |
| 23:19.14 | lcuk | i was with hendrik when he gave his, and ive got one as well - we were told they were internal nokia things when we did them |
| 23:19.21 | Jaffa | Ah |
| 23:19.28 | lcuk | mine will pop up soon aparantly |
| 23:22.07 | dmsuperman | I'm sitting in class. The buil;t in notes utility is a bit lacking, imo |
| 23:22.17 | dmsuperman | Is there something I might use to better take notes? |
| 23:22.34 | lcuk | liqbase :) for reading and reviewing - its stroke based |
| 23:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | liqbase, xournal, maemopad+ |
| 23:22.44 | GeneralAntilles | AbiWord |
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| 23:23.02 | dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles: Do you have a favorite? |
| 23:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | I don't really use any of them very much lately |
| 23:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | liqbase is preferable because it's easy to use on the go. |
| 23:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | But no keyboard entry. |
| 23:23.44 | lcuk | yet |
| 23:23.49 | dmsuperman | Not good then |
| 23:23.58 | dmsuperman | Do any of them support easily categorizing notes? |
| 23:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | xournal or maemopad+ |
| 23:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | Try both |
| 23:24.16 | lcuk | all 3 |
| 23:24.26 | dmsuperman | Alright |
| 23:24.28 | lcuk | why isnt xournal in extras? |
| 23:24.31 | dmsuperman | Thanks for the suggestions :D |
| 23:24.56 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, dunno, email the maintainer. |
| 23:24.58 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it is..infact the -devel version is messed up |
| 23:25.05 | lcuk | dmsuperman, :) if you do try liqbase and have suggestions for improvements or required features put them on the site |
| 23:25.25 | dmsuperman | lcuk: I don't have the time to try to hand write my notes, sorry :(o |
| 23:25.28 | lcuk | its under extensive development at the moment and has many planned directions |
| 23:25.42 | lcuk | tsk tsk, is it really slower to hand write? |
| 23:26.03 | LinuxCode | with my handwriting yes |
| 23:26.06 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:26.12 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:26.25 | lcuk | surely you have your own shorthand though |
| 23:26.29 | LinuxCode | i can barely sign my name these days |
| 23:26.40 | LinuxCode | keyboard cripple |
| 23:26.57 | qwerty12_N800 | LinuxCode, can't be as bad as me :p. mine is *awful* |
| 23:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | Mine surely wins. |
| 23:30.38 | dmsuperman | My handwriting isn't that slow |
| 23:30.42 | dmsuperman | But my typing is very fast |
| 23:30.53 | dmsuperman | I type much faster than the professor can speak |
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| 23:35.41 | lcuk | dmsuperman, the art of taking notes is to not catch every word, but write enough that every word can be recalled |
| 23:35.47 | lcuk | its like jpeg for your memory |
| 23:36.19 | dmsuperman | I know |
| 23:36.23 | dmsuperman | I was only saying |
| 23:36.35 | dmsuperman | My handwriting isn't neat enough though |
| 23:36.41 | dmsuperman | And typing is a lot more comfortable |
| 23:36.53 | lcuk | heh, i sat and took notes from every presentation i sat in at the summit |
| 23:37.21 | lcuk | and i think people on the plane mustv thought i was mad - i was scribbling hundreds of notes |
| 23:37.44 | lcuk | making sure everything i thought of was noted down for later :) |
| 23:39.21 | dmsuperman | Meh, xournal's a cool idea |
| 23:39.30 | dmsuperman | The ability to type anywhere and handwrite at the same time is cool |
| 23:39.46 | dmsuperman | It just seems like it'd be too slow to ever try to move anything around |
| 23:40.29 | TPC | xournal is nice |
| 23:40.29 | TPC | but the N8xx screens are a bit too small for it |
| 23:40.29 | lcuk | dmsuperman, in early versions of liqbase i had the ability to simply type whilst sketching and assign notes to any visible page |
| 23:40.30 | TPC | I tried using it for taking notes during lectures, but it was too slow |
| 23:40.37 | TPC | compared to paper |
| 23:40.43 | TPC | it would be very nice on a table pc or something |
| 23:40.47 | TPC | tablet* |
| 23:41.01 | dmsuperman | If I had a tablet this wouldn't even be a question |
| 23:41.02 | lcuk | tpc :) http://liqbase.net/ |
| 23:41.09 | lcuk | is bein a salesman tonight |
| 23:41.21 | lcuk | principle features. sketching - faster than paper. |
| 23:41.33 | TPC | I'll take a look |
| 23:42.05 | crashanddie | good evening |
| 23:42.12 | lcuk | hey there seb |
| 23:42.18 | lcuk | did you get my mail?> |
| 23:42.19 | crashanddie | how's it going? |
| 23:42.24 | crashanddie | lcuk, didn't I reply? |
| 23:42.43 | lcuk | not according to google |
| 23:42.46 | crashanddie | oh crap |
| 23:42.50 | crashanddie | I thought I had |
| 23:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, crashanddie. |
| 23:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | How's the working life? |
| 23:43.12 | crashanddie | busy |
| 23:43.14 | crashanddie | fucking busy |
| 23:43.30 | crashanddie | I do something like 12-14 hour days |
| 23:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | Worth it? |
| 23:43.39 | crashanddie | Definitely |
| 23:47.37 | dmsuperman | lcuk, GeneralAntilles: NoteCase |
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| 23:47.45 | dmsuperman | It's pretty cool |
| 23:47.59 | dmsuperman | Like maemopad+ but it seems to be a bit more organized |
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