| 00:00.31 | lcuk | quantum of solace is flipping amazing! |
| 00:00.42 | dererk | is it? |
| 00:00.48 | dererk | i wanted to see it |
| 00:01.04 | dererk | it's not on screen on .AR currently tough |
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| 00:06.12 | lcuk | dererk, its way better than many previous bond films - i would have prefered sitting a bit further back than i was (right under the screen, ive got a sore neck) |
| 00:06.37 | dererk | oh |
| 00:06.55 | dererk | i really hated Casino Royale |
| 00:07.14 | dererk | let's see if this guy learned something =) |
| 00:07.26 | lcuk | yeah, he was finding his feet - it felt like a bond movie this time |
| 00:07.43 | lcuk | really impressed with it |
| 00:08.11 | dererk | ok ok, I bought it. Give me two :-P |
| 00:09.31 | lcuk | :P |
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| 00:23.43 | dererk | ok, ok, upgrading to diablo on a n770 hw was not a good idea =) |
| 00:33.14 | LinuxCode | im out |
| 00:33.16 | LinuxCode | bye |
| 00:33.26 | LinuxCode | ohh and hi bye lcuk |
| 00:33.44 | lcuk | hiya lc :) |
| 00:33.48 | lcuk | cya lc |
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| 00:43.41 | GuySoft | hey all, is there a PIM application for mamo? (aka nokia n810?) |
| 00:43.52 | lcuk | there will be |
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| 00:44.23 | GuySoft | lcuk, so the nokia n810 carn't function as an organiser? |
| 00:44.35 | lcuk | GuySoft, we are designing one at present and part of that process nicely groups together all the existing systems |
| 00:44.35 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM |
| 00:44.42 | lcuk | there are existing apps out there |
| 00:45.41 | GuySoft | i am considering buying a N810. and i really need a PIM manager (my palm died). the question is there are functional programs out there at the moment |
| 00:46.10 | lcuk | yes, go and have a look - that page i linked specifies most of the current players |
| 00:46.42 | lcuk | some are more feature complete than others (many being OSS they are available) and many perform perfectly well |
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| 00:46.59 | lcuk | theres just no all in one encapsulated built for maemo pim yet |
| 00:49.10 | GuySoft | lcuk, what i really need is the calendar, to do, and address book.. and make it syncable to some app in linux |
| 00:50.40 | GuySoft | i dont care if its nice and sleek, the question is it it works.. |
| 00:50.50 | GuySoft | i just carn't find any other solution |
| 00:51.54 | lcuk | GuySoft, im not the best person about specifics, i dont have much use for pim on device yet - the others who are writing up the spec know a lot more than me |
| 00:52.30 | lcuk | they know all the deficiences of each through trial and usage of the software, look on that page and you might find something that fits |
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| 00:57.04 | GuySoft | lcuk, from my experience the best way to check this is by locating someone that actually uses it.. otherwise you never know.. no matter how much you read |
| 00:58.01 | lcuk | agreed entirely, but in absence of one of those im afraid thats the best i can offer you |
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| 01:21.39 | GuySoft | lcuk, thanks for helping :-) .. ill try catching someone here later then.. |
| 01:22.20 | GuySoft | i just feel like i lost an extension of myself when i have no organiser that works.. |
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| 01:55.09 | GuySoft | lcuk, btw, does it work well as a recorder? |
| 01:55.26 | lcuk | does what work as a recorder? |
| 01:55.38 | lcuk | and recording what |
| 01:55.49 | GuySoft | lcuk, the nokia devices running mamo |
| 01:56.19 | lcuk | i gathered that much GuySoft, i meant does what program work well, or for recording what data |
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| 01:59.39 | lcuk | bbiab |
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| 02:19.42 | zakkm | How much time should the built-in battery meter say is remaining for idle/inuse.. on a fullcharged Nokia N800 ? |
| 02:25.37 | legind | I feel like inuse would be 8hrs, but not completely sure |
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| 02:49.52 | legind | does anyone have btscanner working on chinook? |
| 02:52.45 | zakkm_ | If i were to copy diablo to SD card.. how much filesize roughly am i looking at.. on the SD card? |
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| 03:19.17 | LiraNuna | anyone got the WiMAX edition yet? |
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| 04:57.16 | zakkm_ | Which is better for "Clone to SD" ... 150x SD , or a class 6 card / |
| 04:57.31 | zakkm_ | and if so, how big of a difference |
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| 05:30.55 | robink | wants his modules.dep |
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| 05:57.51 | ryoohki | i have tried a few different ways to flash the rootfs on my n810 wimax to no avail... last it tried as root was : "./flasher-3.0.amd64 -r rootfs.jffs2 -R" |
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| 08:57.39 | joueur_ | hi people, i am trying N800-s2RAM, but it eats my CPU.... which version is better? or any other solutions to save my battery at night? sry i am newbie... |
| 09:00.51 | joueur_ | pls.. anyone? my nokia i every morning death... and i am sad.. |
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| 09:07.52 | Stslaptop | joueur_: http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/suspend.sh is something i used and seemed to work decently |
| 09:08.00 | Stslaptop | n800-s2ram is closed source |
| 09:08.14 | Stslaptop | best way to save battery at night is make sure your wifi ap has PSM ability |
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| 09:20.52 | joueur_ | Stslaptop: i am turning off wifi && bluetooth at night... i have nokia N800 second day, but every morning is my byttery drained.. |
| 09:21.27 | Stslaptop | did you kill metalayer-crawler yet? |
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| 09:21.58 | joueur_ | meta.. what? wait i will look at google.. |
| 09:22.41 | Stslaptop | there's a search engine that sometimes run a bit amok :) |
| 09:28.46 | joueur_ | Stslaptop: this application is standart installed in Maemo Diablo? uff... exists in maemo something like xkill or htop ? thanks for a response.. |
| 09:31.22 | Stslaptop | htop is certainly installable |
| 09:31.33 | Stslaptop | well -normally- it behaves ok but for many not |
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| 09:31.44 | Stslaptop | there can be other causes to battery drain though |
| 09:33.16 | joueur_ | other causes? like? |
| 09:35.45 | Stslaptop | plenty mentioned on internettablettalk.com |
| 09:44.05 | joueur_ | ok... last question.. is http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu piece of good software? |
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| 09:52.12 | Stslaptop | well a cpu meter will take cpu as well ;) |
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| 10:04.11 | joueur_ | yep... i will use it just to debug... to find which app eat my CPU when i sleep :D |
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| 10:18.14 | Jaffa | Anyone got Pluthon working in Eclipse? The update manager seems fubar |
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| 10:28.21 | GeneralAntilles | O_o @ https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3841 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3840 |
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| 10:29.20 | qwerty12 | Why does maemo attract the retards? :( |
| 10:29.33 | GeneralAntilles | Most platforms get their own share of crazies. |
| 10:29.35 | joueur_ | it is not secure to use rootsh in public network, isn´t it? |
| 10:29.51 | qwerty12 | :) |
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| 10:34.54 | Jaffa | Eh? So Russ has raised a bug, but then closed it WONTFIX himself |
| 10:34.55 | Jaffa | ? |
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| 10:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | I think he closed it out of spite because andre__ edited it. |
| 10:35.57 | Jaffa | Right. |
| 10:36.11 | GeneralAntilles | So that leads me to conclude that he's 12. |
| 10:36.19 | Jaffa | Oh, joy. ESBox doesn't work either. It installs, and looks like it's working, but the preference panels throw exceptions. |
| 10:36.23 | Jaffa | colour me unimpressed. |
| 10:40.15 | RST38h | Still trying to use Eclipse? =) |
| 10:40.36 | Jaffa | isn't going to blame Eclipse for the crapness of external people. |
| 10:40.51 | RST38h | You can always blame both |
| 10:41.01 | RST38h | And it will usually make sense, too |
| 10:41.10 | Jaffa | Not without some mental leaps and a vendetta. |
| 10:41.24 | RST38h | vendetta would be good, yes |
| 10:41.36 | Jaffa | ESBox & Pluthon have bitrotted, aren't supported on the latest versions of Eclipse and seem to have had more time spent on flashy websites than actually working. |
| 10:41.45 | RST38h | although I do not see a good enough reason given that this steaming pile of shit is free to use |
| 10:42.19 | RST38h | Try http://www.geany.org/ - it is nice |
| 10:43.21 | Stslaptop | ponders idly if he's a platform crazie |
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| 10:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | Stslaptop, spitefully delete your wiki pages when somebody else contributes to them and it'll be confirmed. |
| 10:44.52 | Stslaptop | ah |
| 10:45.14 | RST38h | That is actually an interesting tactic |
| 10:45.35 | RST38h | Open a bunch of wiki pages on useful topics, wait for people to contribute, then delete the pages. |
| 10:46.20 | lcuk | thats scary |
| 10:46.30 | RST38h | that's the best thing about it |
| 10:46.31 | qwerty12 | Sounds pointless |
| 10:46.31 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully only admins can delete pages. |
| 10:46.51 | Stslaptop | sometimes when i deal with wpa_supplicant, NM and such, I'm grateful for Nokia's seamless connectivity. |
| 10:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | You could blank them but it's a one-click reversion process. |
| 10:47.10 | RST38h | doesn't make sense then |
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| 10:50.36 | GeneralAntilles | Are we actually confirmed for this Tuesday, or is it still up in the air? |
| 10:50.36 | RST38h | You mean Maemo irc meeting or the elections? =) |
| 10:50.36 | GeneralAntilles | Sprint review |
| 10:50.52 | Stslaptop | sprint review and elections in one night, that'll be exciting ;> |
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| 10:54.02 | lcuk | would any of you lot sign up to follow a twitter user that had never tweeted? |
| 10:54.14 | lcuk | (mornin btw) |
| 10:54.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'm only subscribed to Jaiku |
| 10:54.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints <- we still need an index page. |
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| 10:54.56 | lcuk | jaiku is invite based though - cant get in the club unless they let ya |
| 10:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | Not anymore |
| 10:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | Just register |
| 10:55.11 | lcuk | i did |
| 10:55.14 | lcuk | i havent heard back |
| 10:56.13 | lcuk | Not a member yet? [request an invitation] |
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| 10:56.52 | Stslaptop | lcuk: i used a jaiku invites page |
| 10:56.55 | Stslaptop | seemed to do the trick |
| 10:57.27 | lcuk | "To request an invitation to beta-test the service, please enter your email address in the field below, and we'll let you know when an account becomes available. " |
| 10:57.32 | lcuk | ... |
| 10:57.56 | Stslaptop | http://jaikuinvites.com/ worked for me.. but then again, odd people are signing up for my jaikus |
| 10:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | Stslaptop, Maemo people? |
| 10:58.22 | Stslaptop | GeneralAntilles: i guess that's a subset of odd people |
| 10:58.27 | lcuk | some1 is following me on twitter - ive not wrote a single tweet yet |
| 10:59.08 | GeneralAntilles | stalks Stslaptop. |
| 10:59.30 | lcuk | have any of you got an invitation thingy waiting |
| 10:59.30 | RST38h | makes a voodoo doll in Stslaptop likeness |
| 11:00.06 | lcuk | i would rather get an invite from some1 i know :$ |
| 11:00.14 | Stslaptop | doesn't seem to have any invites |
| 11:00.27 | Stslaptop | oh, there |
| 11:00.32 | Stslaptop | lcuk: mail? |
| 11:00.39 | lcuk | liquid@gmail |
| 11:00.49 | Stslaptop | invited |
| 11:00.53 | lcuk | excellent |
| 11:01.04 | lcuk | thanks |
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| 11:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | Stslaptop, where'd you find them? |
| 11:02.08 | lcuk | ps, quantum of solace is AMAZING |
| 11:02.27 | Stslaptop | GeneralAntilles: People -> Invite friends |
| 11:04.38 | Stslaptop | ~curse wpa-supplicant and my machines for acting crap so i can't access my working wpa_supplicant.conf for this network |
| 11:04.38 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, wpa-supplicant and my machines for acting crap so i can't access my working wpa_supplicant.conf for this network ! |
| 11:05.27 | qwerty12 | Heh, I'm having troubles with the new network manager in intrepid :P. Gonna remove the shit and setup the network config manually :P |
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| 11:06.06 | RST38h | has not even been offered to upgrade to intrepid. Is it right? |
| 11:06.36 | Jaffa | RST38h: Update notifier told me. Upgraded yesterday. |
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| 11:07.39 | fish_ | i'm confused.. which distri should i specify in my sources.list when running a OS07 hacker edition? bora? |
| 11:08.37 | fish_ | at least mplayer dies with a illegal instruction.. |
| 11:09.20 | RST38h | Jaffa: Maybe I have to wait until it runs the check again |
| 11:15.19 | Stslaptop | fish_: maybe you've gotten a VFP version or something? 770's aren't able to run those.. :P |
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| 11:22.49 | lcuk | is the stickman at the back |
| 11:23.09 | lcuk | how do i link jaiku to irc? ie every irc line i make goes to jaiku as well ;) |
| 11:23.23 | Stslaptop | every /me or? :P |
| 11:23.27 | lcuk | hang on, thats not such a bad idea |
| 11:23.32 | Stslaptop | may be |
| 11:23.33 | Stslaptop | .P |
| 11:23.36 | lcuk | have a jaikubot that you can whisper |
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| 11:24.06 | qwerty12 | wonders why the pcspkr module is even included with ubuntu :( |
| 11:24.15 | lcuk | heh Stslaptop i actually think it will get full very quickly |
| 11:24.26 | lcuk | hiya qwerty |
| 11:24.30 | Stslaptop | glances at hildon-desktop in ubuntu mojo and ponders. |
| 11:24.33 | qwerty12 | heh, hi lcuk |
| 11:24.56 | lcuk | i have a mission for you if you are able |
| 11:25.18 | qwerty12 | I can try, if my internet connection manages to stay up in linux that is :P |
| 11:25.39 | Stslaptop | qwerty12: i know the feeling. i gave up on wpa supplicant and now installing network manager and a X desktop on my server :P |
| 11:25.44 | lcuk | lol it should technically be quick, but if you look at it and think it wont be dont worry |
| 11:27.04 | qwerty12 | Stslaptop, I want to achieve the opposite :P. Though actually, my wifi connected straight away with network manager. Either because I stopped the ipv6 module from starting or nm has a 6th sense that I was about to remove it :P |
| 11:27.07 | qwerty12 | lcuk, go on :) |
| 11:28.50 | Stslaptop | okay. repository.handhelds.org must be running on same servers as maemo.org. 15k/s. |
| 11:28.59 | Stslaptop | and this is even with half of the dorm network cut off |
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| 11:50.24 | lcuk | Stslaptop, you are makin some serious headway with your reconstructed page |
| 11:51.18 | lcuk | i need to go for a bit anyway, back later this afternoon sometime |
| 11:51.27 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, cya later, thx |
| 11:54.36 | qwerty12_N800 | kk, bye lcuk for now |
| 11:55.21 | aspiers | qwerty12_N800: have you tried org-mode on maemo emacs? |
| 11:56.00 | qwerty12_N800 | aspiers, I don't have emacs installed anymore |
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| 11:58.40 | aspiers | oh? |
| 11:58.51 | aspiers | I am going to try it with org-mouse |
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| 12:13.05 | lbt | aspiers: have you seen http://orgmode.org/GoogleTech.html |
| 12:13.20 | lbt | it's open in a tab at the moment :) |
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| 12:47.06 | aspiers | lbt: yes, it's a great talk |
| 12:47.20 | aspiers | lbt: I'm a part-time org-mode hacker |
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| 12:55.22 | Stskeeps | lcuk: think i need someone with proper knowledge of things to go through it and weed out weird statements |
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| 13:20.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: interesting fact of the day. apt-get --no-install-recommends install hildon-desktop (that's ubuntu mobile), 110.4M flash. |
| 13:21.03 | qwerty12_N800 | ooh |
| 13:22.05 | Stskeeps | it even includes scary things like libxu |
| 13:22.05 | Stskeeps | l |
| 13:22.30 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/ubuntumobile.txt <- dpkg -l |
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| 13:52.10 | AStorm | ok |
| 13:52.30 | AStorm | does someone around have a bunch of nice vim settings? |
| 13:52.54 | AStorm | oh nvm |
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| 14:21.17 | hellwolf | I installed xchat, and the software is constantly ping time out on some server. It seems that the network delaying a lot when the n810 is in idle mode |
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| 14:27.01 | Stskeeps | hellwolf: possibly an artefact of wifi power saving. the ping class on the irc server should probably try to ping you more often |
| 14:27.58 | hellwolf | Stskeeps, thanks, but how could I turn off the power saving |
| 14:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | ~wifi-psm |
| 14:28.08 | infobot | [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 14:30.24 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: when I've finished the reconstructed wiki page, is there any chance I could recruit you to comb through it a bit for weird sentencing/non-understandable stuff/obvious signs of stream of conciousness? |
| 14:30.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'll copy edit. |
| 14:30.40 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:31.35 | Stskeeps | would definately help to make it a more sane proposal when there's less of my insanity in it ;) |
| 14:34.47 | lcuk | loves havin images in liqbase |
| 14:35.00 | lcuk | a picture is worht a thousand words |
| 14:35.06 | lcuk | and worth as well |
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| 14:38.10 | Stskeeps | i'm really surprised what compression can do at times. i never thought a standard ubuntu mobile would fit in 110m flash |
| 14:38.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:38.55 | lcuk | heh wicked |
| 14:39.32 | Stskeeps | (admitted this is without any useful apps, just the desktop.) |
| 14:39.38 | lcuk | Stskeeps, is it using runtime compression? is it workable on device |
| 14:39.55 | lcuk | how much of a slowdown does it have |
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| 14:40.58 | Stskeeps | lcuk: not sure, it's jffs2 so you're using it right now :P |
| 14:41.26 | lcuk | cool fair enough |
| 14:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | Marginal |
| 14:41.47 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yeah realise that now |
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| 14:41.58 | GeneralAntilles | But the space savings really far outweighs the performance cost when you're talking about 256MB of storage. |
| 14:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | 30-50% |
| 14:42.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, 270m -> 110m |
| 14:42.22 | lcuk | just a minimal quick compression, i understand |
| 14:43.38 | AFBN810 | Hello |
| 14:46.06 | Stskeeps | wello |
| 14:46.25 | lcuk | yello |
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| 15:14.42 | TTilus | performance hit cant be that bad, remembering that runtime compression was commonplace over 15 years ago |
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| 15:23.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's non-trivial |
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| 15:29.04 | RST38h | sorry, but what is the current topic? |
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| 15:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | jffs2 compression |
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| 15:30.33 | RST38h | ah |
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| 15:41.42 | vincenzo88 | Hello all! |
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| 15:43.29 | RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-oIMJMGd1Q |
| 15:43.38 | RST38h | Markets finally explained! |
| 15:43.40 | RST38h | =) |
| 15:46.22 | vincenzo88 | :( |
| 15:46.35 | vincenzo88 | need french subtitles |
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| 15:47.42 | RST38h | you would then lose their british accents! :) |
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| 16:07.10 | woglinde | hi qwerty |
| 16:07.18 | qwerty12 | hi woglinde :) |
| 16:07.20 | RST38h | qwerty13 |
| 16:07.36 | qwerty12 | RST38i |
| 16:09.41 | RST38h | is there some special repo I have to add to Ubuntu so that it lets me update to Intrepid? |
| 16:10.11 | qwerty12 | RST38h, checked that the update repo in "software sources" is ticked? |
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| 16:11.20 | RST38h | checking... |
| 16:11.41 | woglinde | hi qwerty12 |
| 16:12.14 | RST38h | mrotSA |
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| 16:13.51 | woglinde | args |
| 16:14.06 | RST38h | Says "Long Time Support Releases Only" |
| 16:14.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk: what kind of devel did you do before you came to tablets btw? |
| 16:14.52 | RST38h | yea, got it. should I upgrade? |
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| 16:16.12 | lcuk | Stskeeps, started in c on the amiga, jumped to vb in windows in 1999, had head inthe sand building all sorts of systems since then, and now back to c finally |
| 16:16.36 | RST38h | Ah, Amiga... what pleasure it was to program |
| 16:16.42 | Stskeeps | and what was your first impression of the maemo development environment? |
| 16:16.43 | RST38h | No event loops =) |
| 16:17.31 | lcuk | 1st impression was good - but then again that was python, scratchbox scared the shit out of me - i could barely understand linux let alone having emulated linux within normal linux within vmware |
| 16:17.45 | woglinde | hihi |
| 16:18.14 | woglinde | and you needed some help for the package dependencies |
| 16:18.20 | lcuk | hurts my head to think on multiple levels - hence now directly on the omap compilation suits my mind |
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| 16:18.56 | lcuk | woglinde, different levels of abstraction, i still know nothing about linux |
| 16:19.28 | woglinde | lcuk hm oyu have to differ btw. the kernel and the other stuff |
| 16:20.06 | lcuk | no, not even that - theres so many libraries around - information overload |
| 16:20.52 | lcuk | it would be very easy for me to get bogged down in one specific library by looking extensively at one specific area |
| 16:21.29 | Stskeeps | lcuk: if we skip "it's linux" part, how would you like a SDK to be? an IDE, compiler and associated emulator? |
| 16:22.04 | lcuk | look at the visual basic 6 IDE for pretty much bang on |
| 16:22.17 | lcuk | code window / designer window / running code |
| 16:22.26 | lcuk | simple to switch between each |
| 16:22.50 | lcuk | fast and fluid - the editor is tuned to whats needed |
| 16:22.55 | Stskeeps | ever tried to develop for windows mobile per chance? |
| 16:22.58 | lcuk | the help system works exactly as expected |
| 16:22.59 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.07 | lcuk | yes - i hate the .net ide |
| 16:23.19 | lcuk | it "feels" too slow |
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| 16:23.46 | lcuk | the ide is the most important part of my comfort - more specifically the editor |
| 16:24.11 | Stskeeps | how about "deploy to emulator" "debug on emulator", "debug on device" and such? |
| 16:24.13 | lcuk | komodo edit comes very close for c |
| 16:24.28 | Mousey | cries |
| 16:24.33 | Mousey | when will canola crossfade??? |
| 16:24.39 | RST38h | what about geany? |
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| 16:25.10 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, it doesn't have anything to do with Canola. |
| 16:25.17 | lcuk | RST38h, not sure if i tried it, but there is a point where you have to stop looking, komodo ticked enough of my boxes to allow me to jump |
| 16:25.29 | RST38h | Mousey: not before Hadron Collider makes this question pointless |
| 16:25.31 | lcuk | ive not willingly opened up the visual basic editor now since the day i chose |
| 16:25.46 | lcuk | it has become my blank canvas |
| 16:25.54 | RST38h | uses pico |
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| 16:26.33 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i would like on device debugging |
| 16:26.47 | lcuk | for me, there is no "deploy to device" since i compile and run directly from device anyway |
| 16:26.54 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 16:27.09 | Mousey | RST38h: that doomsday machine won't be ready to destroy reality for another couple months.. thank the lord for the rebel scientists who sabotaged it and saved us all |
| 16:27.38 | RST38h | Mousey: Who said it were scientists? <winks? |
| 16:27.45 | lcuk | i used to have it - it operated the same way, my build script used to run make, scp the binary over, execute it, then kill -9 after it finished - it allowed me to CTRL-C from my big desktop keyboard and stop the app on device |
| 16:28.05 | lcuk | that was from within vmware scratchbox ^ |
| 16:28.13 | Stskeeps | hehe, that's one way |
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| 16:28.22 | RST38h | lcuk: That is how I do it, but I use sb2 and scp from Linux directly |
| 16:28.24 | lcuk | it made sure it was controllable and managable |
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| 16:29.02 | lcuk | RST38h, i will not jump from windows until i can get 1 thing: a touchscreen linux desktop - i want the eee monitor replacement but i cant afford one |
| 16:29.26 | lcuk | i have no room here to keep a second machine running, and i hate vmware |
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| 16:29.55 | lcuk | it would take me too long to configure my own linux distro |
| 16:31.33 | RST38h | lcuk: Do you already have touchscreen windows desktop though? |
| 16:31.38 | lcuk | no |
| 16:31.55 | RST38h | then why worry? |
| 16:31.59 | lcuk | but if i am going to linux im taking my code with me and i want to touch the screen |
| 16:32.06 | RST38h | has both XP and Ubuntu on his laptop but primarily uses Windows |
| 16:32.10 | lcuk | i want the big daddy version of liqbase :) |
| 16:32.15 | RST38h | ah |
| 16:32.33 | RST38h | well, you can get a UMPC and run Moblin |
| 16:32.50 | RST38h | or just buy a tablet-convertible laptop |
| 16:33.00 | lcuk | i got the nokia because it was preconfigured - i paid nokia to create and setup the device for me |
| 16:33.46 | lcuk | i do not have the knowledge of will to stop working for days to examine the market and configure it - asus are releasing something which fits, im gonna get one as soon as its feasible |
| 16:33.55 | lcuk | or will ^ |
| 16:34.25 | lcuk | wants to buy his light sabre |
| 16:35.42 | RST38h | mmm, I don't want to say it, but if you do not spend at least some time examining the market, you have got high chance of buying a lemon |
| 16:36.04 | lcuk | i mean the software choices - theres hundreds of different combinations needing testing |
| 16:36.18 | RST38h | not really, only 3-4 at most |
| 16:36.35 | RST38h | it may LOOK like there are hundreds with all the buzz though :) |
| 16:37.53 | lcuk | i want a machine where i unwrap it its got linux on and all its bits work and are pretested and configured. its the OOB experience that counts |
| 16:38.37 | lcuk | asus is offering that - and just like the nokia it might not be perfect, but its a lot better than gettign a windows box and trying to force linux on it and have it account for all the hardware |
| 16:39.44 | AStorm | Acer does that too... :> |
| 16:39.47 | lcuk | its not important for now anyway - ive got my development environment setup and working, thats just the future |
| 16:39.49 | RST38h | and HP |
| 16:39.50 | AStorm | at least did |
| 16:39.51 | RST38h | and MSI |
| 16:40.05 | lcuk | desktop touchscreens preconfigured? |
| 16:40.12 | lcuk | and affordable? |
| 16:40.13 | AStorm | everyone has 2 questions |
| 16:40.19 | RST38h | although you do have to check first if that Linux is hackable |
| 16:40.21 | AStorm | 1) will it run office |
| 16:40.28 | AStorm | 2) will it run games |
| 16:40.31 | AStorm | :> |
| 16:40.40 | RST38h | And the answer is the same to both 1 and 2 :) |
| 16:40.50 | AStorm | so, we die |
| 16:40.57 | RST38h | That is why 3 times more MSI netbooks with Linux are returned than Windows ones |
| 16:41.00 | AStorm | chicken-and-egg problem |
| 16:41.05 | RST38h | AStorm: yes, unfortunately |
| 16:41.21 | AStorm | now, office is good |
| 16:41.29 | AStorm | I mean, openoffice |
| 16:41.38 | RST38h | UNLESS, it does not look like a laptop which is exactly what the tablet doesnt look like |
| 16:41.46 | AStorm | bbut, you can't grab a cd with soft and (ab)use it |
| 16:41.50 | RST38h | AStorm: Not really. They want MS Office |
| 16:41.57 | AStorm | orly? |
| 16:41.59 | RST38h | Open Office still has marginal penetration |
| 16:42.02 | AStorm | I did a test once |
| 16:42.09 | AStorm | replaced silently |
| 16:42.18 | AStorm | they didn't notice |
| 16:42.22 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:42.35 | RST38h | It i small things - once they hit a couple, they will want MS Office |
| 16:42.39 | AStorm | they did notice it later |
| 16:42.47 | AStorm | file format |
| 16:42.49 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:42.52 | RST38h | Format support, integration with other office tools, etc |
| 16:43.00 | AStorm | yup |
| 16:43.11 | AStorm | Macs might change things |
| 16:43.14 | RST38h | At the enf OO still loses :( |
| 16:43.25 | RST38h | Macs have small penetration too |
| 16:43.30 | AStorm | yet |
| 16:43.36 | RST38h | Less than Linux afaik |
| 16:43.45 | lcuk | can you automate open office from outside the app - like you can use activex and .net to control ms office? |
| 16:43.52 | AStorm | lcuk, sure |
| 16:44.01 | AStorm | it has a Java api |
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| 16:44.14 | lcuk | ok, thats reasonable |
| 16:44.25 | lcuk | thx - ill keep that in the back of my mind |
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| 16:44.48 | RST38h | JAVA api is unreasonable |
| 16:44.57 | RST38h | JavaScript would probably do |
| 16:45.57 | lcuk | no rst, java itself would be better - you can make the java scriptable and have control over types etc much better than the script variants |
| 16:46.39 | lcuk | is used to a strong office object model |
| 16:46.57 | RST38h | lcuk: Look at the size of java runtime - you call it scripting language? |
| 16:47.34 | glass | who called it a scripting language.. |
| 16:47.59 | glass | question was to how to automate, i'd rather automate through java than some js doohickery |
| 16:48.09 | lcuk | .nod. |
| 16:48.21 | Stskeeps | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Maemo_.22Reconstructed.22_SDK_.28developer_kit_for_the_platform.29 <- can someone tell me if this sounds sane, and like a proper idea for a SDK -you- as an developer would like to work with? .. and if my statements make sense. |
| 16:49.19 | Stskeeps | (the basic idea is making a proposal for a Maemo platform of the future, if we could tear down Maemo as it is now, and reconstruct it. Hence Maemo "Reconstructured". |
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| 16:51.14 | ShadowJK_ | reconstructed? |
| 16:51.16 | GuySoft | hey all, does anyone here use PIM applications on the nokia n810? |
| 16:51.45 | woglinde | hm popcorn time again |
| 16:51.50 | RST38h | Sts, why do you want to tear down Maemo? |
| 16:52.07 | Stskeeps | RST38h: reform is maybe a better word |
| 16:52.58 | RST38h | Do you think that the result of this reformation will be worth it? |
| 16:53.15 | Stskeeps | tear down as in deconstruct, and put the pieces back together. and if it's worth it, not sure, we'll see |
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| 16:54.05 | RST38h | Sts: the cost of such reconstruction is too high to just "look and see" |
| 16:54.27 | RST38h | So, you would really have to come up with a list of good and undisputable reasons |
| 16:54.55 | Stskeeps | that's why i try to accompany it with actual research and seeing if it's plausible to work on, and find people agreeing with the statements :P |
| 16:55.54 | Stskeeps | it doesn't carry much weight when it's just me spouting out stuff, so |
| 16:57.37 | Stskeeps | and if maemo doesn't want it, it makes a good blueprint for a maemo alternative |
| 16:57.55 | RST38h | YEP |
| 16:58.27 | RST38h | BT KBD STUCK IN UPPER CASE |
| 16:58.42 | Stskeeps | hah |
| 16:58.51 | ShadowJK_ | has been looking for a cheap bt keyboard |
| 16:59.05 | RST38h | ~curse maemo for broken kbd supporT |
| 16:59.05 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo for broken kbd supporT ! |
| 16:59.15 | RST38h | sshadow, apple |
| 16:59.27 | lcuk | there is nothing wrong with examining processes and seeing where can be improved - even if its not all used, its a good exercise and usually results in incorporating the most serious deficiencies into the current workflow. |
| 16:59.29 | ShadowJK_ | I don't consider 100⬠as cheap :) |
| 16:59.36 | RST38h | 80 |
| 17:00.48 | lcuk | very desirable - but remember to turn it off before shoving it into a bag |
| 17:01.03 | lcuk | curses his apple kb for blocking stars at the summit |
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| 17:17.09 | RST38h | Damn upgrade is going to download for 2 hours |
| 17:17.30 | RST38h | ...and then it will surely mess my the system. |
| 17:17.40 | RST38h | s/my/up |
| 17:18.44 | ShadowJK_ | how much diskspace free on internal flash? :) |
| 17:22.26 | RST38h | Shadow: You mean HD? =) |
| 17:23.05 | RST38h | After I keworked Maemo bootstrap, ~1.5GB, Ubuntu requires 1.1 for upgrade |
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| 17:59.17 | zakkm | Hi, I got the N800 and it wont read my SD card, but when i connect it to PC , it works.. |
| 17:59.21 | zakkm | like connecting from the nokia |
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| 18:15.24 | kkrusty | well if A2DP hasnt been released for maemo yet then I dont see the point of looking for a pair of bluetooth headphones |
| 18:16.35 | ShadowJK_ | indeed |
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| 18:16.46 | disco_stu | hi |
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| 18:58.01 | GuySoft | er, ill try again: hey all, does anyone here use PIM applications on the nokia n810? |
| 18:58.54 | LiraNuna | anyone here got their hands on N810 WiMAX? |
| 18:58.58 | Stskeeps | there's a good amount of discussion about that on internettablettalk, GuySoft |
| 19:03.05 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, yes, but i want to hear from someone that it works.. i dont know if i should get a n810 or a palm |
| 19:03.17 | joueur_ | hi ... which google URI is now life for maemo mapper? i can't find anyone... |
| 19:03.26 | Stskeeps | if you go for an awesome and flexible device, get n810, if you want a PDA, get a palm |
| 19:04.05 | lcuk | flexes his n810 and watches as bits of LCD shatter and embed themselves in his eye |
| 19:04.12 | lcuk | thanks very much sts! |
| 19:04.20 | Stskeeps | sorry, awesomeness comes with responsibilities |
| 19:04.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:04.53 | RST38h | Never ever get Palm |
| 19:04.58 | RST38h | Palm is dead. |
| 19:05.06 | Stskeeps | well |
| 19:05.09 | Stskeeps | ok, or a windows mobile |
| 19:05.27 | RST38h | WinMobile...umgh... |
| 19:05.28 | Stskeeps | i managed to get my gf like pocket pc, couldn't show PIM stuff like that on n8x0 |
| 19:05.36 | Stskeeps | i don't like it either but it does what it's supposed |
| 19:05.37 | RST38h | makes choking noises |
| 19:05.47 | lcuk | bbiab |
| 19:06.15 | RST38h | PIM is just an application. When there is need for it, it will be written. |
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| 19:06.45 | RST38h | In fact, given money for it, I would do it myself |
| 19:07.05 | Stskeeps | it can't be that difficult to make, honestly. simple calendar, inbox and sync with various sources |
| 19:07.11 | RST38h | yep |
| 19:07.19 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, but i want both :S |
| 19:07.21 | Stskeeps | and that'd do the trick |
| 19:07.32 | Stskeeps | GuySoft: get cracking and coding then :P |
| 19:07.35 | RST38h | well, UI has to be thought out, but there are examples on the market that can be simulated |
| 19:07.45 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, however i rather it would be easy to sync than have advance PIM stuff |
| 19:08.04 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, id love to.. however i started university today.. and my clie died yesterday... |
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| 19:10.12 | RST38h | that's the problem with the platform not being commercially viable (yet?) |
| 19:10.14 | Stskeeps | GuySoft: consider a manual system like Xournal |
| 19:10.35 | Stskeeps | and apply the principles of getting things done |
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| 19:11.23 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238733&postcount=47 seems interesting |
| 19:12.27 | RST38h | libgringotts? =) |
| 19:12.39 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, i just rather use a pen in that scene |
| 19:13.05 | Stskeeps | RST38h: better than VB3SD5E3.DLL |
| 19:13.31 | RST38h | yea :) |
| 19:13.43 | Stskeeps | GuySoft: hehe.. i stopped taking paper notes, exporting pdfs into onenote instead from xournal |
| 19:13.44 | RST38h | this osmo thing looks cool - when do we see it in extras? =) |
| 19:14.19 | Stskeeps | its hacky packages, and that's why stuff should be pushed along the lines i'm considering :P |
| 19:14.32 | Stskeeps | cos porting is much more difficult than it should |
| 19:15.27 | RST38h | why is it difficult? |
| 19:15.37 | kkrusty | ShadowJK_: "indeed" for no A2DP support? |
| 19:16.05 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well, in instance of debian packages. debconf lacking, debhelper stuff, etc. |
| 19:16.47 | Stskeeps | which is part of a more underlaying problem |
| 19:17.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, but we have fakedebconf! isn't that like the best eva? :p |
| 19:17.07 | RST38h | why not dumb down the build system though? |
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| 19:18.36 | Stskeeps | i'm starting to think that Nokia thinks of the tablets as a embedded system whereas it should be seen as a limited-cpu limited-space limited-ram mobile device. maybe |
| 19:18.46 | Stskeeps | but above typical embedded system |
| 19:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it makes a lot more sense when you factor in the 770. |
| 19:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | and Nokia's background. |
| 19:19.35 | Stskeeps | it does make sense, but the 770 is capable of stuff still |
| 19:19.57 | Stskeeps | and maybe that's the blocker for nokia, that they see it like very embedded systems |
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| 19:20.09 | Stskeeps | whereas open platforms are different creatures |
| 19:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | Some stuff, but not a whole lot. |
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| 19:25.46 | Stskeeps | "The built-in flash contains around 64 MiB of shipped software. This means that about 64 MiB (770) or 192 MiB (N800/N810) is available to be shared between applications" |
| 19:25.49 | Stskeeps | eh. |
| 19:25.54 | Stskeeps | i've only seen 60m free or so at a reflash |
| 19:27.47 | slug | Stskeeps: get a 8GB sd card, and boot from there and you will see more ;) |
| 19:28.03 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know :P |
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| 19:28.20 | Stskeeps | i prefer that method too but i'm putting myself in the place of a device developer atm |
| 19:28.27 | Stskeeps | for consumers |
| 19:28.35 | unixSnob | are there any packages to add support for gsm audio files? |
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| 19:30.39 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, so if i want a pda, there is no solution in linux yet? :( |
| 19:31.02 | Stskeeps | GuySoft: it's getting there. i love my tablet though. |
| 19:31.52 | GeneralAntilles | That sounds like Bora numbers. |
| 19:32.22 | Stskeeps | yeah, mentioned in 4.x info though :P |
| 19:32.57 | Stskeeps | GuySoft: http://clay.ll.pl/osmo/ <- what someone is trying to make work on a tablet factor |
| 19:33.40 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, its frustrating.. after all there are apps for it taking a look |
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| 19:34.13 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, ok cool, he has it on an OLPC.. i can try it on mine :) . |
| 19:34.34 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, does that work on your nokia? |
| 19:35.58 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238733&postcount=47 is a port, didn't test it yet |
| 19:36.06 | Stskeeps | ask the guy for screenshots i guess |
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| 19:37.45 | dmsuperman | So, I use a bluetooth keyboard, but a lot of the time when I turn off the keyboard the onscreen keyboard doesn't enable |
| 19:37.50 | dmsuperman | Is there a way to enable it? |
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| 19:52.33 | RST38h | 4 hours remaining |
| 19:52.38 | RST38h | holy shit |
| 19:54.11 | Stskeeps | for? |
| 19:55.23 | lcuk | its the end of the world |
| 19:55.49 | Stskeeps | already? damnit, i thought i'd have a part of that |
| 19:56.14 | lcuk | it will have a piece of you |
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| 20:04.27 | t_s_o | dmsuperman: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14298&page=2 |
| 20:05.39 | lopz | hola |
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| 20:21.53 | dmsuperman | t_s_o: Ah, thanks |
| 20:23.00 | dmsuperman | Is there a way to create a shortcut somewhere that I can use to execute "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached false" ? |
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| 20:28.55 | t_s_o | http://www.adrants.com/2008/11/renamed-wifi-networks-guilt-freeloaders.php |
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| 20:32.00 | dmsuperman | Is it possible to create custom menu launchers? |
| 20:32.27 | Stskeeps | look at personal menu maybe |
| 20:33.10 | dmsuperman | I have issues where hildon seems to crash when I use bluetooth, so all my desktop applets are lost |
| 20:33.17 | dmsuperman | I'd prefer something that I can launch from the menu |
| 20:36.58 | closet | If you want to make a custom entry in the default menu, you'd just need to create a custom .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 20:38.24 | dmsuperman | closet: That's exactly what I was after, thank you very much :D |
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| 20:42.02 | eathprod | Hello, i am looking for an article on how to flash latest Diablo on my N800 |
| 20:43.29 | GeneralAntilles | finds the "Future of Internet Tablets" discussion entirely too bizarre. |
| 20:45.27 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 20:45.37 | Jaffa | Quick with your [Thanks] this evening. |
| 20:45.38 | vincenzo88 | Hello : http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:46.13 | eathprod | Thank you |
| 20:46.19 | dmsuperman | Is there a reason that bluetooth keyboards seem to crash hildon so often? |
| 20:46.32 | dmsuperman | It seems like every time I reattach my keyboard hildon crashes |
| 20:47.21 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: think people are not realizing tablets is a generic technology that can empower if integrated in your life, home and work, not something that needs 30 gizmos.. |
| 20:47.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:56.49 | vincenzo88 | Goodbye & goodnight all ! |
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| 21:07.45 | Stskeeps | god, i love xournal's marker feature |
| 21:07.55 | Stskeeps | ideal for reading pdfs and printing out later with annotations |
| 21:10.52 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, hey, um, is there a way i can emulate the software on a nokia 810? so i can see how it might look? |
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| 21:11.31 | Stskeeps | i think best you can do is looking at youtube videos really.. there's no proper device emulators where you dont have to own a n810 in advance |
| 21:11.38 | Stskeeps | and screenshots |
| 21:12.55 | Stskeeps | (i had a n800 to play with at work before i went out and got one, especially after seeing people having it on conferences) |
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| 21:14.11 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, is there a way i can look at the software repository? |
| 21:14.47 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ |
| 21:14.50 | GuySoft | thinks its strange there is no emulation |
| 21:14.52 | lcuk | best user friendly way |
| 21:14.54 | Stskeeps | what lcuk said |
| 21:15.15 | Stskeeps | GuySoft: emulators exist though |
| 21:15.38 | Jaffa | Someone got an ITOS image booting in qemu, IIRC |
| 21:15.45 | lcuk | hrw |
| 21:15.47 | Stskeeps | points to hrw |
| 21:16.24 | Stskeeps | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ (bottom screenshots), http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ |
| 21:17.09 | Stskeeps | the devices are really brilliantly flexible but this also means people tend to loose focus of things that are useful ;) |
| 21:21.09 | dmsuperman | Is there a reason that bluetooth keyboards seem to crash hildon so often? |
| 21:21.10 | dmsuperman | It seems like every time I reattach my keyboard hildon crashes |
| 21:21.30 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, i can see.. i just found gpe in my debian repo, ill check it out there |
| 21:22.04 | lcuk | excellent guysoft :) |
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| 21:25.27 | GuySoft | lcuk, looks nice.. the only think i miss is nice pics |
| 21:26.21 | lcuk | heh like i said last night, i dont use them, im just pleased you've found something to compare and test yourself so you will know if its right for you |
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| 21:27.17 | GuySoft | lcuk, er - i can see gpe is still young.. by the shell output: http://pastebin.com/m27be713f |
| 21:27.37 | Stskeeps | GuySoft: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5014 has a lot of screenshots obviously, but nice to wander throug |
| 21:27.40 | Stskeeps | h |
| 21:28.10 | Stskeeps | from back when it was os2006-07 to now |
| 21:28.58 | GuySoft | oh - another question - is there a good recorder on the device? |
| 21:29.10 | Stskeeps | define recorder? |
| 21:29.22 | pupnik | ships with it |
| 21:29.36 | RST38h | moo all |
| 21:29.49 | pupnik | hi RST38h |
| 21:29.52 | GuySoft | from seeing gpe thinks its functional enough for him. |
| 21:30.01 | qwerty12_N800 | arf RST38h |
| 21:30.20 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, that i can take the device, stick it in a class, and record a lecture |
| 21:30.49 | pupnik | yeah maemo recorder has good format for speech. i use it to record ideas/thoughts |
| 21:30.50 | lcuk | foo |
| 21:30.51 | lcuk | bar |
| 21:30.53 | lcuk | foo |
| 21:30.56 | lcuk | :P |
| 21:31.06 | lcuk | you can get past those then :D |
| 21:31.32 | GuySoft | pupnik, and what quality sound file can you get? i recorded music in the clie.. it sucked, but it was better than the average mp3 |
| 21:32.12 | Stskeeps | i guess it depends on the microphone you use :P |
| 21:32.13 | RST38h | is off to watch Fatherland |
| 21:32.31 | pupnik | yeah pretty much - don't know what the hardware will support (bitrate, word size) |
| 21:32.36 | pupnik | enjoy |
| 21:32.51 | GuySoft | Stskeeps, there is a microphone jack? |
| 21:33.19 | Stskeeps | there's a headset jack.. probably seperatable into mic + headphones |
| 21:33.31 | RST38h | nokia's headset jack is tripolar |
| 21:33.36 | RST38h | both in and out |
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| 21:34.07 | qwerty12_N800 | GuySoft, the headphone socket works as one, the included headset has a small microphone on it too |
| 21:34.08 | shapr | Too bad the N800 headset jack doesn't separate in such a way to match the Bose Quiet Comfort 3 jack |
| 21:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | Huh? |
| 21:34.41 | GeneralAntilles | My QC2s work just fine |
| 21:34.58 | Stskeeps | really just would like sane a2dp, so he could use his nice SE bluetooth headset with nice ear friendly earplugs |
| 21:36.04 | desiv | I'm trying to get deblet going on a 770 and I'm having trouble with the usbnet part. I have my 770 connected to my desktop, choose deblet, select recover options (etherent, serial, etc), and I can't get my machine to see a usb0. Multiple distros, modprobe usbnet. I think I'm missing something.. |
| 21:36.39 | desiv | I have one of those usb network cables for connecting two pc's together, and when I plug that into my host, i get a usb0, so it feels like that's working.. |
| 21:37.02 | Stskeeps | desiv: lsusb lists the nokia? |
| 21:38.32 | pupnik | aven't tried usbnet here |
| 21:39.00 | desiv | Not when booted into deblet. (having a thought .. ouch :-) I did a USB host mode mod awhile ago. So my tablet doesn't show up to my desktop in OS2006 unless I reset usb on the 770. Might I have to reflash my 770 to not host mode? |
| 21:39.16 | Stskeeps | oh |
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| 21:39.24 | Stskeeps | yes, set non-host mode :) |
| 21:39.44 | Stskeeps | else it can't act as a gadget obviously |
| 21:39.56 | desiv | Dang it. I should have though of that.. :-( OK, I believe the phrase is.. DUH.. |
| 21:40.03 | Stskeeps | nah |
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| 21:40.57 | Stskeeps | "hmm, that's interesting" is the base of all science, not "eureka" (google for more precise quote of asimov..) |
| 21:41.38 | RST38h | "hm, what does this button do?" |
| 21:41.43 | RST38h | ;) |
| 21:41.46 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:41.59 | Stskeeps | which also adds into the whole science will cause doomsday argument |
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| 21:44.28 | Stskeeps | okay, now, that's a naive quote by gordon brown, about travelling in the oil states of the middle east, and trying to rise money for the IMF, "but i also believe that people in the region will work together with us to become less dependant on oil and therefore getting more stable oil prices" |
| 21:44.57 | RST38h | the Button does normally cause the doomsday so no argument there |
| 21:44.59 | Stskeeps | </odd observation> |
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| 21:45.21 | RST38h | Sts: That is what he wants us (and maybe himself) to believe |
| 21:45.29 | RST38h | Not necessarily the truth |
| 21:46.14 | RST38h | All the keywords are there - "also believe", "work together" |
| 21:47.31 | desiv | OK closer. I did that and now I get a usb0. And I gave it an IP (192.168.2.1), but when I ssh into 192.168.2.1, I ssh into my desktop, not the 770.. |
| 21:48.17 | Stskeeps | 192.168.2.2 is the 770 |
| 21:48.29 | Stskeeps | and telnet in ideally |
| 21:48.35 | Stskeeps | at first |
| 21:48.42 | Stskeeps | then ssh if that works |
| 21:48.48 | desiv | Dammit... I mean.. thanx, that did it... with telnet... |
| 21:49.26 | Stskeeps | welcome to deblet. may your experience be like a LSD trip, may end in a bad trip |
| 21:49.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:49.35 | desiv | :-) |
| 21:50.24 | lcuk | ARE existing applications written for hildon currently just going to stop working? will everything need major surgery to work in the new OS< or are we getting a menu system for the front end as well as a compositing manager? |
| 21:50.44 | Stskeeps | lcuk: all good questions we have absolutely no fucking clue about |
| 21:50.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:50.49 | shapr | GeneralAntilles: qc3s get a bad buzz, I haven't figured out why. |
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| 21:51.30 | Stskeeps | lcuk: but i doubt they'll break standard hildon apps |
| 21:51.34 | Stskeeps | it'd be platform suicide |
| 21:51.41 | lcuk | yes agreed |
| 21:51.48 | lcuk | so it really isnt doubling up on the work |
| 21:51.56 | lcuk | ive just put that on the thread |
| 21:52.07 | Stskeeps | which, the future of tablets one? |
| 21:52.30 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:53.24 | Stskeeps | i have my doubts about those kind of threads.. quim had a good point saying that structured proposals are so much easier to deal with than long threads of discussions |
| 21:53.54 | Stskeeps | an article / proposal about Developer Doubt for instance is much easier to deal with |
| 21:54.02 | Stskeeps | documenting your horrorstory or fear of platform future |
| 21:54.12 | Stskeeps | and what you'd like to see change |
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| 21:55.26 | Stskeeps | but in that respect it's hard to determine if it's what the rest of the community thinks too. On iTT it's easy cos of "thanks", but you'll only get criticism / discussion as answers, not "yes, you're damn right" |
| 21:59.02 | Stskeeps | .. or something. bugtrackers can be used for this but it's not the easiest for community to start voting on (maemo.org login vs bugzilla login, for instance.) |
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| 22:10.06 | desiv | Working now. I still can't get nit-env-lxde without nit-env-x, which needs tablet-x, which I am getting now... :-) |
| 22:17.17 | Stskeeps | mm, i still don't get why there isn't a clear path there |
| 22:18.02 | Stskeeps | i mean, it doesn't make sense that base -> tablet-x -> nit-env-x -> nit-env-lxde works but base -> nit-env-lxde doesn't |
| 22:18.46 | desiv | It rebooted on me. I'm running a dpkg --configure -a now. I'll see where it left off... |
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| 22:19.10 | Stskeeps | oh, right, swapon somewhere :P |
| 22:19.21 | desiv | Dang it.. I forgot that.. :-) |
| 22:20.00 | desiv | I'll try to remember to place that in my /etc/fstab when I get back in.. |
| 22:20.02 | Stskeeps | enable in fstab to make it permanent |
| 22:20.04 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 22:20.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:20.18 | Stskeeps | continues reading articles for the social computing course tomorrow. |
| 22:20.35 | woglinde | social *g* |
| 22:20.59 | Stskeeps | yeah, they kinda conflicts those two words.. |
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| 22:21.53 | lopz | hola |
| 22:22.06 | Stskeeps | ola |
| 22:25.29 | lcuk | is gonna try to put a picture where a thousand words will count |
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| 22:36.14 | Stskeeps | ~seen johnx |
| 22:36.20 | infobot | johnx <n=john@p2172-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 13h 23m 50s ago, saying: 'very nice GeneralAntilles'. |
| 22:36.28 | Stskeeps | hm |
| 22:37.43 | AStorm | hi again |
| 22:37.55 | Stskeeps | evenin' |
| 22:38.03 | GuySoft | found a N810 for 446$ . thinks he might go for it |
| 22:38.22 | AStorm | can hildon input method grab a handle to the textView it's operating on? |
| 22:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | GuySoft, in the US? |
| 22:38.40 | AStorm | like, for selection changes |
| 22:38.48 | aquatix | Stskeeps: this one might be cheaper? http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1225665505&sr=8-1 |
| 22:39.05 | Stskeeps | you mean GuySoft |
| 22:39.42 | GuySoft | i need it shipped to israel :( |
| 22:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 22:39.59 | Stskeeps | glances at amazon |
| 22:40.05 | Stskeeps | "Product Description |
| 22:40.06 | Stskeeps | Nokia N810 Internet Tablet RX-44 - Works with ATandT and T Mobile service only" |
| 22:40.14 | Stskeeps | wtf :P |
| 22:40.15 | AStorm | wtf? |
| 22:40.28 | AStorm | maybe it's n810 wimax? |
| 22:40.44 | AStorm | but these don't have lockins either |
| 22:40.46 | GuySoft | AStorm, thats N830 |
| 22:41.00 | aquatix | Stskeeps: oops, sorry |
| 22:41.35 | ShadowJK_ | maybe not locked in, but the band N810W supports effectively locks it in anyway? |
| 22:41.37 | aquatix | GuySoft: hm :( find someone in the US that's willing to ship it to you? |
| 22:41.53 | aquatix | but $446 still is only 150 euro or something ;) |
| 22:42.21 | ShadowJK_ | 350ish E or something |
| 22:44.08 | GuySoft | aquatix, ill try tomorrow.. its a 76$ difference |
| 22:44.19 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart sub & idx |
| 22:44.19 | infobot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at sub & idx |
| 22:44.43 | aquatix | GuySoft: indeed; mind that you'll have to pay for shipping twice of course |
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| 22:45.03 | GuySoft | aquatix, not if i stick it on board someone |
| 22:45.10 | aquatix | true |
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| 23:15.02 | robink | still wants his modules.dep |
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| 23:40.43 | lcuk | Stskeeps, does this look intuitive enough: http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_233642.gary.scr.png |
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| 23:41.38 | lcuk | (obviously it needs tarting up a bit, but thats the plan anyway |
| 23:47.24 | GuySoft | does anyone know where to get gpe-multisync? |
| 23:47.41 | `0660 | that looks pretty clever |
| 23:51.37 | lcuk | 0660, thats the idea :) i know loads of people who like large granuality, and loads who like fine grained. it also encourages the user to play and interact |
| 23:53.32 | Mousey | liqbase reads pdfs? |
| 23:53.49 | lcuk | not yet it doesnt |
| 23:53.59 | Mousey | rats |
| 23:55.43 | lcuk | this is a bit cleaner: http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_235221.gary.scr.png |
| 23:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | That background has got to go. |
| 23:56.16 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) someone has already sussed that out |
| 23:56.21 | lcuk | its just one file |
| 23:56.26 | lcuk | put anything you like there |
| 23:56.44 | lcuk | i WILL be making an interface very soon for image selection |
| 23:56.58 | lcuk | you will be able to change it |
| 23:57.00 | GeneralAntilles | You said yourself that out of box experience is important. ;) |
| 23:57.03 | lcuk | and set the brightness of it |
| 23:57.06 | lcuk | yes 100% |
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