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| 00:13.36 | mgedmin | doesn't it use gconf? |
| 00:14.55 | l7 | hmm |
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| 00:15.38 | l7 | hmm, there's no ~/.gconf directory |
| 00:15.56 | l7 | there's ~/.gnome2, but it's empty |
| 00:17.09 | l7 | hrm, i don't really like using backup and restore |
| 00:17.25 | l7 | it seems to copy over a lot of obsolete settings |
| 00:18.12 | l7 | seperating the useful system bits like wireless authentication from the useless bits like saved games would be nice |
| 00:20.26 | l7 | is there an easier way to enter podcasts into canola? |
| 00:20.45 | l7 | i'm considering editing it's configuration file directly, though that seems messy |
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| 00:23.17 | l7 | hmm, it's a sqlite db |
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| 00:32.06 | l7 | copy and paste for feedburner urls doesn't seem to work well |
| 00:34.48 | l7 | hrm... i guess copy-paste works |
| 00:34.56 | l7 | though it rather sucks |
| 00:43.56 | bef0rd | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/23/arm-cortex-based-netbooks-said-to-be-coming-soon/ |
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| 00:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | bef0rd, scrollback. :P |
| 00:45.32 | GeneralAntilles | The comments there make me laugh. |
| 00:45.39 | bef0rd | oh |
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| 00:45.43 | bef0rd | sorry hehe |
| 00:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'd be all over a netbook with an OMAP3440 |
| 00:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | Slap a 5800mAh battery in there and it'll get 12 hours active easy. |
| 00:47.40 | bef0rd | yeah, Intel was blaiming the ARM processor on the iphone for the 'low performance', hah |
| 00:47.53 | bef0rd | I've seen some awesome stuff with beagleboards |
| 00:48.01 | GeneralAntilles | Cortex is 2-3x faster than ARM11 |
| 00:49.55 | ds3 | build one |
| 00:50.08 | ds3 | gumstix board as CPU, N810 LCD |
| 00:50.17 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:50.23 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have the time or money. |
| 00:50.30 | ds3 | maybe N800 case |
| 00:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | The overo's got big ports on it. |
| 00:51.20 | ds3 | that's the carrier board, AFAIK |
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| 01:01.09 | ShadowJK_ | Intel's argument that you need an intel processor for "the full web" is kinda flawed... There are websites that don't even work properly on Q6600, full web is impossible goal ;) |
| 01:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | "Full web" means such radically different things to different people that it's hardly a metric worth discussing. |
| 01:09.44 | ShadowJK_ | indeed |
| 01:10.09 | ShadowJK_ | personally I'd want more ram so I could click more than a few links with my "one tab/window per link" browsing style before things grind to a halt :) |
| 01:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 01:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | I'm such a tab whore. |
| 01:11.37 | ShadowJK_ | And this really starts from that I hate waiting for pages to load, so I click a bunch of links so that they load in the background so that I don't have to wait all the time, which is what happens if you do the follow link, back, follow another link, back style... |
| 01:14.54 | GeneralAntilles | I go back to XChat waiting for pages to load |
| 01:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | which doesn't work either, as MicroB's an attention whore and tops itself a hundred thousand times. |
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| 01:17.03 | ShadowJK_ | yes |
| 01:17.11 | ShadowJK_ | firefox does it too to some extent |
| 01:17.32 | ShadowJK_ | Mostly only when it decides to freeze and you've clicked some UI component, it wants to pop back up again once it decides to respond |
| 01:17.38 | ShadowJK_ | But microb does this even worse :) |
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| 01:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | Particularly inexcusable with Matchbox. |
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| 01:20.53 | disco_stu | hi |
| 01:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 01:22.22 | disco_stu | ini |
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| 01:25.33 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: |
| 01:33.08 | bef0rd | hey disco_stu |
| 01:33.20 | disco_stu | bef0rd: suppp man |
| 01:35.35 | disco_stu | someone here with experience with dosbox & maemo |
| 01:35.37 | disco_stu | ? |
| 01:37.22 | bef0rd | I installed it once |
| 01:37.30 | bef0rd | is that enough? :P |
| 01:37.38 | bef0rd | I believe I used pupnik's packge |
| 01:37.41 | bef0rd | package* |
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| 02:04.23 | ShadowJK_ | Can anyone think of any other situation where microb should steal focus, than when you've clicked a link in another app that launches microb? |
| 02:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 02:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I'd rather applications not even pull focus when you open them. |
| 02:05.27 | ShadowJK_ | I think that'd be hard to sneak past nokia people |
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| 02:06.34 | ShadowJK_ | tap-hold a link, "Open Link in New window", microb steals focus, user switches back to original window, microb steals focus, user switches back to original window, microb has now maybe finished the page or atleast rendered it the first time, and steals focus for the third time. Drives me crazy :) |
| 02:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | stabs his eyes out. |
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| 02:08.16 | ShadowJK_ | I guess there's at most an inane bugreport in bugzilla? :p |
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| 02:09.16 | GeneralAntilles | There is |
| 02:09.53 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3557 |
| 02:12.10 | ShadowJK_ | eh, "Reporter, Nokia" |
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| 02:13.01 | ShadowJK_ | "I can see that browserd calls that 3 times when it's asked to open another new page." |
| 02:13.18 | ShadowJK_ | This matches exactly with what I've observed from the behaviour :) |
| 02:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | Eero's a platform guy. |
| 02:15.21 | ShadowJK_ | a platform guy? |
| 02:15.30 | GeneralAntilles | He works on the platform stuff. |
| 02:16.52 | disco_stu | the browser is stupid when you load it, and it shows and hides hildon-input-keyboard |
| 02:17.17 | ShadowJK_ | as I'm clueless about maemo, are all the browser components open? i.e. could we remove the RaiseWindow calls and compile our own.. |
| 02:17.21 | GeneralAntilles | The browser basically has to re-implement text input from scratch. |
| 02:17.38 | ShadowJK_ | Oh yeah, I have focus issues with the location field, but that's another story :) |
| 02:17.47 | GeneralAntilles | The "Mozilla based browser for Maemo" or "tablet-browser" effectively makes up two parts |
| 02:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | First, MicroB the open source browser engine based on Firefox |
| 02:18.15 | l7 | hmm, isn't there some sort of "open new windows in background" option for microb? |
| 02:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | and, second, tablet-browser-ui, the closed-source UI. |
| 02:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | l7, no, but there's an enhancement request |
| 02:18.36 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: oh good |
| 02:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 |
| 02:19.01 | ShadowJK_ | do you really need RaiseWindow in the app for matchbox to be able to command it to front...? |
| 02:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have enough familiarity with X and window managers to have a clue. |
| 02:19.37 | ShadowJK_ | hmm |
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| 02:20.36 | l7 | hmm, timeless really seems to dislike that enhancement request |
| 02:20.59 | disco_stu | well i succesfully ran turbo c within dosbox |
| 02:21.07 | disco_stu | and it compiled a simple c file |
| 02:21.08 | l7 | seems like he turns around towards the end |
| 02:21.23 | disco_stu | is time to try windows 3.11 |
| 02:21.56 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, Boingo support finally gets back to me the day after I talk to one of the managers. |
| 02:22.10 | GeneralAntilles | l7, well, RAM is extremely limited. |
| 02:22.34 | GeneralAntilles | l7, you open more than a few windows and you're getting close to OOM. |
| 02:22.45 | l7 | too bad we can't just pop in some sodimms :) |
| 02:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | Which means something has to give, and that means closing windows |
| 02:23.00 | GeneralAntilles | which is just not very nice. |
| 02:23.03 | l7 | hrm |
| 02:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | So anything that encourages opening more windows is probably not desirable. |
| 02:23.25 | l7 | it is nice to let one window load in the background while you keep reading the main article though |
| 02:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | Rock and a hard place sort of deal. |
| 02:23.50 | l7 | i mean that's like 2, maybe 3 browser windows at most |
| 02:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but you know people wont use it that way |
| 02:24.13 | l7 | it's just about the convenience of being able to keep reading the current page without being interupted |
| 02:24.28 | GeneralAntilles | and what do they say when Flash or JavaScript stops working for seemingly no reason? Or a window closes? |
| 02:24.33 | l7 | well.... they can suffer the consequences :) |
| 02:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | The consequences of opening browser windows? :P |
| 02:24.49 | l7 | put a big red warning box over the option :) |
| 02:24.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a nice situation however you look at it. |
| 02:25.06 | l7 | to open browser windows in the background |
| 02:25.24 | l7 | firefox has an appropriate warning in it's about:config |
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| 02:26.03 | GeneralAntilles | We'll see what happens with Fremantle |
| 02:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | The browser UI is going open there, so it would be something the community could flip a switch for without issue if Nokia didn't implement it. |
| 02:26.47 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately I don't see much hope for improvement with Diablo. |
| 02:28.15 | l7 | oh well |
| 02:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | Soo, go get people to help with coding Tear. :P |
| 02:28.38 | l7 | i hope fremantle comes out soon :) |
| 02:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | Next summer-ish |
| 02:28.59 | l7 | doh |
| 02:29.23 | l7 | well i guess i'm still glad about the rate at which the tablet OS is evolving |
| 02:29.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's a bit of a ways away. :( |
| 02:29.36 | l7 | compared to those other closed devices which just stay the same |
| 02:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | But it's a pretty radical change |
| 02:29.51 | GeneralAntilles | and we've got SSU between now and then. |
| 02:31.08 | l7 | is there a page detailing what's in the works for the next SSU? |
| 02:31.34 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 02:31.56 | GeneralAntilles | You can follow the changelogs for the open source stuff on Garage |
| 02:32.48 | l7 | the closed source stuff is top secret then? |
| 02:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | One sec |
| 02:33.23 | penguinbait | times up |
| 02:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://tinyurl.com/6oe44p |
| 02:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | Bugs that may or may not be fixed in the next release |
| 02:33.58 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia is pretty tight-lipped about what's too be included in future updates. |
| 02:34.39 | l7 | hrm |
| 02:35.00 | l7 | reminds me that company that rhymes with snapple |
| 02:35.43 | l7 | i guess it gives them a little room for more exciting press releases |
| 02:36.11 | ShadowJK_ | heh, I tried to kill XRaiseWindow with some LD_PRELOAD, but it didn't seem to work |
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| 02:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | l7, they're not a company familiar with open source. |
| 02:36.40 | Pavlov | heh |
| 02:37.03 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine the suffering the Maemo Software guys go through |
| 02:37.30 | l7 | they suffer from doing open source? |
| 02:37.52 | GeneralAntilles | No, being open source people working in a closed-source company like Nokia |
| 02:38.04 | l7 | oh, yeah |
| 02:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | Especially they people that put themselves out there in the community and end up taking flack for Nokia's practices. |
| 02:38.28 | GeneralAntilles | s/they/the/ |
| 02:39.11 | l7 | yeah, that can't be fun |
| 02:39.19 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: does nokia pay to you? |
| 02:39.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 02:39.27 | disco_stu | haha |
| 02:39.28 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, no. |
| 02:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I got a t-shirt from timeless for Bugzilla triaging. :P |
| 02:40.25 | disco_stu | hahah |
| 02:40.29 | l7 | heh |
| 02:40.30 | l7 | maybe the linux foundation might sponsor you :) |
| 02:43.38 | l7 | wow, there's a bunch of crazy stuff in /afs |
| 02:43.41 | TokyoDan | The Maemo PC Connectivity explanation isn't clear about what development environment configuration is/isn't necessary when using the Eclipse Pluthon plug-in instead of the ESBox/Scratchbox plugin. |
| 02:43.41 | TokyoDan | ----- |
| 02:43.41 | TokyoDan | Pluthon = develop Maemo apps on PC, run and test on actual Maemo device. |
| 02:43.41 | TokyoDan | ESBox = develop, run & test Maemo apps in scratchbox environment on PC. |
| 02:43.42 | TokyoDan | ----- |
| 02:43.42 | TokyoDan | What's not clear is what needs to be configured when using Pluthon for development: |
| 02:43.44 | TokyoDan | 1. SSH: Configure for ability to establish a connection without need to enter a password. |
| 02:43.46 | TokyoDan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.48 | TokyoDan | 2. SSHFS: Configure for ability to access Maemo device filesystem from a mount on the PC. |
| 02:43.50 | TokyoDan | This may be necessary if using ESBox, but is it also necessary if using Pluthon instead of ESBox? |
| 02:43.52 | TokyoDan | 3. SBRSH: Scratchbox Remote Shell. |
| 02:43.54 | TokyoDan | I don't believe this is necessary since I won't be using ESBox/Scratchbox on the PC to develop Maemo apps. The apps will be run & tested on the Maemo device. |
| 02:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | Whoa |
| 02:44.09 | GeneralAntilles | slexy.org please |
| 02:45.47 | disco_stu | slexy is one of the nicest pastebins i've ever used |
| 02:46.09 | disco_stu | i should make a hildon client for maemo |
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| 02:51.22 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is there any explanation about why sometimes file manager doesnt see CIFS shares ? |
| 02:51.32 | GeneralAntilles | ifs |
| 02:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | Um, dunno. |
| 02:51.49 | GeneralAntilles | Think there's a bug. |
| 02:52.41 | disco_stu | you can manually mount it |
| 02:53.00 | disco_stu | so it works.. but not automatically like expected |
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| 02:55.11 | GeneralAntilles | If there's not a bug, file one. |
| 02:56.41 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i'm not the kind of guy who does that |
| 02:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | Files bugs? |
| 02:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | What's wrong with filing bugs? |
| 02:57.27 | disco_stu | burocracy in general |
| 02:57.38 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly developers wont fix issues if they don't know about them. |
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| 02:57.53 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: the have crystal balls i guess |
| 02:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | What has bugzilla got to do with bureaucracy? |
| 02:58.13 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: burocracy is easier to speel |
| 02:58.21 | disco_stu | s/speel/spell |
| 02:58.31 | disco_stu | i miss the trailing '/' |
| 02:58.34 | disco_stu | damn it |
| 02:58.53 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, if you don't file a bug, then you forfeit you rights to complain about it. :) |
| 02:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | s/you/your/2 |
| 02:59.13 | ShadowJK_ | fails at quickfixing focus stealing with LD_PRELOAD :-( |
| 02:59.17 | disco_stu | mmm.. what is forfeit ? |
| 02:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | Give up your rights |
| 02:59.35 | disco_stu | i see |
| 02:59.39 | disco_stu | :D |
| 02:59.54 | ShadowJK_ | does the file browser still not support password protected smb shares? |
| 03:00.33 | disco_stu | ShadowJK_: i'm with Chinook and it doesnt, dunoo about Diablo |
| 03:00.45 | disco_stu | /s/dunoo/dunno/ |
| 03:00.52 | ShadowJK_ | yeah i know it didn't in diablo |
| 03:00.56 | ShadowJK_ | er, in chinook |
| 03:00.58 | disco_stu | fuck me ! |
| 03:01.19 | ShadowJK_ | ? |
| 03:01.21 | disco_stu | i cant learn how to fix mispellings |
| 03:01.53 | disco_stu | too much work to my brain that is already emulating english speaking |
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| 03:07.30 | bef0rd | :P |
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| 03:28.24 | nemo | Sooo, what do folks here think of the "iKIT |
| 03:28.26 | nemo | "? |
| 03:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | Way underpowered |
| 03:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | Screen's way too small |
| 03:29.00 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe if it were under $100 |
| 03:29.49 | nemo | 312MHz ROM: 128 MB, RAM: 64 MB SDRAM ... ROM? |
| 03:30.07 | GeneralAntilles | NAND, presumably |
| 03:30.26 | disco_stu | i like it :) |
| 03:31.37 | disco_stu | what's the actual size ? |
| 03:31.51 | closet | It definitely looks a bit frightingly like an old clamshell zaurus |
| 03:32.11 | ds3 | same processor |
| 03:32.23 | disco_stu | the size compared to a n800 |
| 03:32.25 | disco_stu | ? |
| 03:34.00 | nemo | looks smaller |
| 03:34.04 | nemo | little bit bigger than a phone |
| 03:34.34 | nemo | 95mm (L) x 65mm (W) x 15.5mm (H) |
| 03:34.37 | nemo | http://www.webitpr.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=10258 |
| 03:35.01 | disco_stu | is nice.. but i dont know about that kb |
| 03:35.52 | closet | yeah, it's a fair bit smaller: http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/19089-Nokia-n810-vs-iKit |
| 03:37.27 | disco_stu | it should be way to smaller |
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| 03:42.53 | disco_stu | the thing with ikit is that it doesnt offer things that a cellphone offers |
| 03:43.08 | disco_stu | my nokia e50 gives me everything ikit does but wifi |
| 03:43.34 | disco_stu | it should be ultra small |
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| 03:57.07 | zackeroo | can I download google maps onto my computer and just move the file to my N810 for maemo-mapper to use? |
| 04:00.17 | disco_stu | zackeroo: i dont think so |
| 04:00.48 | ShadowJK_ | e50 has no wifi? |
| 04:01.14 | ShadowJK_ | i thought ell e series had wifi :/ |
| 04:01.20 | zackeroo | reason I asked was that mapper is really not good with downloading the maps |
| 04:01.56 | disco_stu | is watching sharapova pics, will be back in 10 minutes |
| 04:02.08 | zackeroo | half of the time it freezes during download .... and other times it says it needs to download outragous amounts of data for my selection .... |
| 04:10.34 | zackeroo | disco_stu : turns out it is possible ... ever heard of winmapper? |
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| 04:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | Is it compatible with 2.x? |
| 04:28.53 | zackeroo | GeneralAntilles : asking me? |
| 04:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | Well, last time I checked it wasn't. |
| 04:29.23 | zackeroo | 2.x mapper? |
| 04:29.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 04:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | Moved from folders to a real database. |
| 04:30.04 | zackeroo | oh |
| 04:30.09 | zackeroo | I dunno about that .. |
| 04:30.58 | zackeroo | so its back to square one ... |
| 04:31.03 | zackeroo | :) |
| 04:31.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's largely because Google throttles big map downloads. |
| 04:32.10 | zackeroo | yeah ... which is why I wish people would share the downloads they have done |
| 04:32.47 | zackeroo | like if someone already downloaded an area or city they could share that online .... torrent it or something ... |
| 04:32.51 | zackeroo | no? |
| 04:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | Eh |
| 04:34.15 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a lot of work for little reward |
| 04:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, how do you integrate a database of the northeast with a database of the southwest? |
| 04:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | You have one database per repository. |
| 04:34.59 | zackeroo | but is it even true when maemo mapper says it will need to download 12GB for an area ? |
| 04:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | It can be less depending on the number of duplicate tiles |
| 04:35.52 | GeneralAntilles | which the database method accounts for. |
| 04:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | But, generally speaking, they're raster maps and not particularly small. |
| 04:37.27 | zackeroo | so it could be less than what it says it will need to download |
| 04:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | Usually isn't |
| 04:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | Especially for urban areas |
| 04:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | unless the area you're downloading is mostly water |
| 04:38.34 | zackeroo | how about the option to download "Along Route" ... how does that work? |
| 04:39.21 | GeneralAntilles | Once you have a route, it downloads x number of tiles along it. |
| 04:39.42 | GeneralAntilles | Get a piece of graph paper, draw a squiggly line |
| 04:39.46 | zackeroo | "have a route" please explain |
| 04:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | It downloads the tiles that line intersects |
| 04:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | A navigation route |
| 04:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | A GPX track |
| 04:40.17 | GeneralAntilles | Directions from point a to point b. |
| 04:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's right at the top of the menu. |
| 04:40.33 | zackeroo | I downloaded a route from gnuite .. does that count? |
| 04:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | A route is just a gpx track |
| 04:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | so it can be any gpx track |
| 04:41.07 | GeneralAntilles | Shows up as a green line on the map by default. |
| 04:41.19 | zackeroo | so I now have a route from Melbourne to Sydney ... and there is a green line on my map showing the route |
| 04:42.32 | zackeroo | to download that route ... I should use the "Along Route" option ... right? |
| 04:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | To download tiles along the route. |
| 04:42.47 | zackeroo | but ... what is the number there for ? |
| 04:43.13 | zackeroo | its on number 8 at the moment |
| 04:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | That's how many tiles wide around the route it should download. . . . |
| 04:44.05 | zackeroo | is there a way to see the tile grid so I can know what that means? |
| 04:44.19 | zackeroo | like how far is 8 tiles? |
| 04:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the zoom level. |
| 04:45.17 | zackeroo | zoom levels 6,8 and 10 |
| 04:45.22 | zackeroo | for instance |
| 04:46.27 | zackeroo | I wish google maps showed the grid ... that would be helpful |
| 04:47.00 | zackeroo | oh and by the way ... I never got flite to work .... so no voices ... :( |
| 04:47.59 | zackeroo | is there a way to tell how large a tile is? |
| 04:48.26 | GeneralAntilles | Fullscreen it's about 8 tiles at any particular zoom level. |
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| 04:49.42 | zackeroo | ok... well I did 5 tiles ... at 6,8 and 10 zoom |
| 04:49.55 | zackeroo | says its going to download 185MB |
| 04:50.58 | zackeroo | is there a way to stop that GPS notification popup? |
| 04:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | popup? |
| 04:51.35 | zackeroo | says stuff like "Turn Right at such and such street" |
| 04:51.40 | zackeroo | keeps blinking |
| 04:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's in preferences, I'm sure. |
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| 04:56.07 | zackeroo | so there is no other way to get voice working but through flite |
| 04:56.08 | zackeroo | ? |
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| 05:23.15 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 05:24.28 | Khertan_n810 | someone know an online service which redirect a host/port to an other other one with a different port ? dyndns doesn t able to change port |
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| 05:25.17 | bef0rd | most of that kind of services are for 'name' redirection |
| 05:25.34 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 05:25.40 | bef0rd | and I don't think they'll do 'port redirect' for free |
| 05:25.41 | Khertan_n810 | that my problem |
| 05:26.12 | Khertan_n810 | and the only one i found was 114$ by month |
| 05:26.33 | bef0rd | tehehe |
| 05:27.27 | Khertan_n810 | at this price i prefer to create my own server |
| 05:28.34 | bef0rd | yea, well port redirection requires some kind of software to be installed |
| 05:29.11 | bef0rd | that'll act as a 'proxy', because I don't think its possible to do it in any other way |
| 05:29.18 | bef0rd | what do you need it for? |
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| 05:31.13 | Khertan_n810 | this is for by passing the orange stupid decision to block port 993 (imap ssl) for 'security reason' on data connection |
| 05:31.14 | Khertan_n810 | as well as port 25 ... saying that it s a common port used by spammer |
| 05:31.20 | Khertan_n810 | i suggest they to block also 80 as many forbidden thing can be done on this port too |
| 05:31.24 | Khertan_n810 | ping ? |
| 05:31.36 | Khertan_n810 | reading and sending mail |
| 05:32.01 | Khertan_n810 | gmail |
| 05:32.09 | bef0rd | hah |
| 05:32.34 | Khertan_n810 | yeah orange suck |
| 05:32.55 | bef0rd | so, they block any connection attempt to 993 and 25? |
| 05:33.27 | Khertan_n810 | yem |
| 05:33.29 | bef0rd | is it your own imap server? can't you change the port number? |
| 05:33.31 | Khertan_n810 | yepm |
| 05:33.44 | Khertan_n810 | no it s the gmail one |
| 05:34.01 | Khertan_n810 | and i prefer to not create one at home |
| 05:34.15 | Khertan_n810 | adsl connection is not reliable |
| 05:35.48 | bef0rd | doesn't orange handle iphones in france? |
| 05:35.58 | bef0rd | (you are in france, right?) |
| 05:36.53 | bef0rd | iphone uses imap gmail, I suppose those connect to 993 too |
| 05:37.40 | Khertan_n810 | yep |
| 05:38.05 | Khertan_n810 | but orange sell the data connection for iphone only with an iphone |
| 05:38.27 | Khertan_n810 | other user have this stupid restriction since 10days |
| 05:39.09 | bef0rd | can't you sue them or something |
| 05:39.47 | bef0rd | or make them return your money since they have made it 'useless' for your needs |
| 05:39.55 | Khertan_n810 | yep ... |
| 05:40.01 | Khertan_n810 | they change service |
| 05:40.15 | Khertan_n810 | but other french isp suck too |
| 05:40.32 | Khertan_n810 | bouygue telecom autorize only their pop3 server |
| 05:40.59 | Khertan_n810 | and sfr limit mail to 10Mo ... or you need to use the webmail |
| 05:41.07 | Khertan_n810 | 10Mo by month |
| 05:41.24 | bef0rd | hmm it should be possible to 'tunnel' all your communication through ssh |
| 05:41.32 | bef0rd | (unless they ban 22) |
| 05:41.45 | Khertan_n810 | 22 banned |
| 05:42.11 | Khertan_n810 | but i could set it to 80 on my home computer |
| 05:42.38 | Khertan_n810 | but i prefer to not do that ... as it require a permanent computer running |
| 05:43.19 | qwerty12 | See if you can leave it running on a router or something, I leave http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html running on my netgear |
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| 06:05.25 | zackeroo | does anyone know how to get flite working on a N810 device with mapper? |
| 06:08.18 | zackeroo | does anyone here use mapper and flite together? |
| 06:17.01 | `Mace | hi |
| 06:17.27 | `Mace | blah |
| 06:18.58 | `Mace | hi |
| 06:19.16 | `Mace | i need to see if my httpd vm works on esx |
| 06:19.21 | `Mace | i hope i used scsi to make the drive instead of ide |
| 06:19.26 | `Mace | i guess you can't use ide for esxi |
| 06:19.29 | `Mace | bastards |
| 06:19.42 | `Mace | why even have it then? in case someone is running MS DOS 3? |
| 06:24.43 | zackeroo | ok well ... without voice this is still useless as a GPS device ... :( |
| 06:25.44 | zackeroo | I mean I payed $350 for this thing ... I could have paid $100 for an ordinary GPS device, but i bought this becasue I thought I was getting a GPS device + lots more ... |
| 06:26.14 | zackeroo | turns out I got "lots more" minus the GPS services ... |
| 06:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | "Map" gives you what you're after. |
| 06:27.17 | zackeroo | or i have to fork out another X amount of bucks to get MAP to work ... which, as I am reading reviews, does not get a fantastic score either |
| 06:28.20 | zackeroo | and then this will have cost me about $450 which is a tad bit outragous imo for a GPS device that is ireless as well and has a few other apps and things you can do .... |
| 06:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | You bought it for the wrong reasons |
| 06:28.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's a handheld laptop than can also do some GPS work on the side. |
| 06:28.51 | zackeroo | I bought it for reasons it was advertised |
| 06:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | You did realize that GPS navigation wasn't included in the price of the device, though, right? :\ |
| 06:29.49 | zackeroo | when I came here and read up on it, and on maemo-mapper, people were full of praise about it ... |
| 06:31.06 | zackeroo | then as I am working through getting it to work its practically no fun .... there is no clearly marked out documentation on mapper and its easiness to use and setup .... I am also being told that i can have sound in mapper ... "of course you can" ppl say ... |
| 06:31.30 | zackeroo | but is it working for me? ... no! and that is what is frustrating .... |
| 06:31.43 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper has built-in help. |
| 06:31.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's quite good. |
| 06:32.19 | zackeroo | show me the where I can read about how to setup flite ... |
| 06:32.26 | zackeroo | or audio |
| 06:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | It should just work. |
| 06:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | There's probably something wrong with your particularly setup. |
| 06:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | You could always try mailing maem-users. |
| 06:33.19 | zackeroo | yeah ... and I am a basic user ... I have not fiddled with anything in-depth |
| 06:33.48 | zackeroo | this is where OS looses out ... its too complex for the basic user to figure out ... |
| 06:34.01 | zackeroo | we don't want to have to debug and all that |
| 06:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | Eh |
| 06:34.06 | zackeroo | :) |
| 06:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's simple enough if you use it for what it's intended for |
| 06:34.24 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not a platform for the feint of heart if you want to expand beyond that. |
| 06:34.26 | zackeroo | well.. that is what I am doing .... no? |
| 06:34.55 | zackeroo | I am working onthe very basic level here .... |
| 06:35.12 | zackeroo | like you said "it should just work" |
| 06:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | I suspect you'll have the most fun with the platform if you look at it as a learning experience |
| 06:35.18 | RST38h | moo all |
| 06:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, RST38h. |
| 06:35.40 | zackeroo | do the developers ever ask themselves "so what happens if it doesn't work?" |
| 06:35.51 | zackeroo | a "learning experience"? |
| 06:35.53 | RST38h | ehlo, General |
| 06:36.03 | zackeroo | so what you mean is this thing is not ready for the GP |
| 06:36.12 | zackeroo | at least some of its features |
| 06:36.25 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said earlier, the basic features work fine. |
| 06:36.25 | RST38h | what thing? maemo? |
| 06:36.29 | zackeroo | or some of the apps built for it.... |
| 06:36.43 | zackeroo | is maemo-mapper and audio not basic? |
| 06:36.52 | zackeroo | I think its basic .... |
| 06:37.37 | zackeroo | and, again, where in the mapper help is there any info about getting Audio to work? |
| 06:37.51 | RST38h | as I missed the start of this conversation, could you say exactly what general programming means to you? |
| 06:37.59 | zackeroo | hehe |
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| 06:38.24 | GeneralAntilles | For 99% of people, it's "install flite and turn on voice synthesis" |
| 06:38.41 | zackeroo | I was just talking with GA here about the N810 and its GPS feature |
| 06:38.54 | RST38h | and? |
| 06:39.13 | GeneralAntilles | If you want perfectly end-user ready, pay up and buy a "Map" license. |
| 06:39.23 | zackeroo | I understand that ... but I have to ask where does that leave the 1% (if indeed it is so few) who have probs with it |
| 06:39.24 | zackeroo | ? |
| 06:39.51 | GeneralAntilles | Figuring out their problem? |
| 06:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | Could be a packaging issue |
| 06:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | flite hasn't been uploaded to Diablo Extras |
| 06:40.07 | RST38h | it leaves those people in whatever shit they were before they bought their tablets. |
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| 06:40.37 | zackeroo | so there could be a compatability issue between mapper and flite |
| 06:40.40 | zackeroo | ? |
| 06:40.40 | RST38h | as long as it is 1%, they are insignificant |
| 06:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know |
| 06:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | maemo-users might be a better place to ask |
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| 06:41.29 | zackeroo | and is there any other free alternative to mapper? |
| 06:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | navit |
| 06:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | roadmap |
| 06:41.41 | RST38h | did he try itt already? |
| 06:41.46 | zackeroo | are they in the repos? |
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| 06:44.57 | zackeroo | can Navit use flite? |
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| 06:49.04 | RST38h | Sony said UIQ is dead. Amen. |
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| 06:50.22 | qwerty12 | RST38h: w00t |
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| 07:01.52 | RST38h | ARM says Cortex A8/A9 are coming to netbooks. |
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| 07:02.12 | RST38h | probably figured winxp emulation :) |
| 07:02.18 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 07:03.40 | Stskeeps | is trying to kickstart his brain with a massive sugar rush. |
| 07:04.01 | gomiam | a boot is usually better for kick-starting |
| 07:04.02 | gomiam | :-P |
| 07:04.23 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm so down with an OMAP3440 netbook. |
| 07:04.31 | Stskeeps | would enjoy a laptop on a omap too |
| 07:04.39 | Stskeeps | and then just sd card slots |
| 07:05.02 | RST38h | why? I dont really care either way but doubt it will fly |
| 07:05.05 | zackeroo | what do you use to edit files ? |
| 07:05.13 | zackeroo | like instead of kate or gedit |
| 07:05.18 | RST38h | edlin |
| 07:06.06 | zackeroo | edlin? |
| 07:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | 8-16 hour active battery life out of a ~4400-5800mAh battery would be fun. |
| 07:06.13 | RST38h | more arm-based mids should be nice though, especially startrek-styled ones |
| 07:06.32 | Stskeeps | RST38h: because of non-movable parts |
| 07:06.43 | Stskeeps | completely silent, doesn't get warm.. |
| 07:08.18 | RST38h | and what about slide-out keyboard in tablets or the hinge in netbooks? |
| 07:08.49 | zackeroo | ummm.. anyone know? |
| 07:08.59 | GeneralAntilles | vi? |
| 07:09.10 | melmoth | uses vi |
| 07:09.11 | zackeroo | thanks |
| 07:09.15 | RST38h | nooo, I want Iphone form factor in x8 size - steve jobs |
| 07:09.32 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone. :P |
| 07:09.37 | melmoth | there s pygtkeditor for a gui based editor with fancy syntax highlight |
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| 07:10.22 | zackeroo | ok... something else than vi? |
| 07:10.35 | zackeroo | something more like kate or gedit? |
| 07:11.08 | RST38h | zackeroo: please visit download section at maemo.org and search for editor |
| 07:11.47 | RST38h | do you know where to enter Maemoorg" in your browser and how to use search? |
| 07:12.03 | zackeroo | can you name one I can install from the repos? |
| 07:12.34 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, Jaffa. |
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| 07:15.13 | solmumaha | morning |
| 07:15.44 | zackeroo | is it possible to install apps to other places than the internal memory? |
| 07:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd |
| 07:16.01 | infobot | boot-sd is, like, https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
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| 07:17.10 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 07:17.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, aquatix. |
| 07:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | wonders where jott and guenther are hiding |
| 07:18.58 | zackeroo | ok I looked up text editors in the downloads area of maemo.org and there are only 3 .... |
| 07:19.12 | zackeroo | Leafpad ... installed and does not work from the terminal |
| 07:19.36 | zackeroo | VIM -- too complex for my needs |
| 07:20.02 | zackeroo | Xournal -- not in the repos |
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| 07:22.56 | melmoth | you want a ncurses editor that is more "user friendly" than vi ? I guess the only option left to you is to port joe or something |
| 07:23.10 | Stskeeps | i have a joe deb |
| 07:23.16 | Stskeeps | i use it exclusively :P |
| 07:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps -> Extras |
| 07:23.57 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i will eventually :P should look into mud builder it seems |
| 07:23.58 | smokie | Hi, i have problems installing the 4.1.1 SDK on my X86_64 (Ubuntu). I get http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/libh/libhildon/libhildon1_2.0.6-1_i386.deb Error reading from server and the same for libsmbclient. |
| 07:24.22 | Stskeeps | smokie: get the updated .sh |
| 07:24.38 | smokie | o.k. |
| 07:26.31 | GeneralAntilles | Good ol' unreliable maemo.org |
| 07:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, by the way, I saw the council vid. |
| 07:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | You guys owe me blogs. :P |
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| 07:28.59 | Jaffa | ;-) |
| 07:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | I may have to put etrunko on the job of helping Dave out with INdT. |
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| 07:32.19 | Jaffa | Good idea |
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| 07:33.09 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure he's busy with Canola, but he's gotta put in _some_ council time. |
| 07:34.42 | Stskeeps | really never heard of etrunko before elections |
| 07:35.04 | macoute | how long can it take to change some servers for maemo? |
| 07:35.16 | GeneralAntilles | macoute, I don't know. :\ |
| 07:35.19 | Stskeeps | macoute: a leopard guards the 770s that run it |
| 07:35.23 | macoute | in a good system, it would take about 10 minutes |
| 07:35.24 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo says it's the db server now. |
| 07:35.32 | Stskeeps | and nerds aren't fond of leopards. |
| 07:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | and that they don't yet have a schedule for the upgrade from the ISP |
| 07:35.35 | macoute | but as we can see, maemo is not a good system :) |
| 07:35.59 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: 10 bucks it's just midgard bringing down any system cos of some thedailywtf.com like statements |
| 07:36.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, he's been around since the beginning, but is pretty quiet in community stuff |
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| 07:50.36 | smokie | Stskeeps, worked. Great ... lets move on to hello world :-) |
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| 07:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, there's a thread on -developers you might want to wade into. |
| 07:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, too. |
| 07:54.06 | zackeroo | GeneralAntilles : does the n810 come with Diablo by default? |
| 07:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 07:54.31 | zackeroo | whats it come with? |
| 07:54.49 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe 51-3 at this point? I'm not sure. |
| 07:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook, anyway. |
| 07:55.03 | zackeroo | hmmm |
| 07:55.21 | zackeroo | so would flite be working if was using that? |
| 07:55.58 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: which one? |
| 07:56.16 | zackeroo | chinnok |
| 07:56.20 | zackeroo | chinook |
| 07:56.49 | solmumaha | zackeroo: doesn't flite work with diablo then? |
| 07:57.00 | zackeroo | not with mapper |
| 07:57.10 | solmumaha | installs but doesn't work? |
| 07:57.15 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the recent one about Maemo and upstream from Quim |
| 07:57.29 | zackeroo | yep |
| 07:57.39 | zackeroo | installs... but get nothing through mapper |
| 07:57.45 | solmumaha | does it work from the commandline? |
| 07:57.49 | zackeroo | yes |
| 07:58.16 | zackeroo | tried it with "hello world" and it works |
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| 08:01.30 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it is a difficult discussion though.. i'll think of something for it |
| 08:02.43 | Jaffa | rewatches the coucil video - Mrs Jaffa really did fsck up on my hair the day before travelling |
| 08:03.21 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: maybe a "wet dream maemo" vision could be a possibility to write about |
| 08:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | Quim always has this "we're open, we're not hiding things, why don't you discuss it with us in the open?" vibe about him in discussions that this that doesn't totally jive with the reality of Nokia. |
| 08:05.31 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you had hair in the video? :P |
| 08:05.59 | solmumaha | maybe that was the fsck up |
| 08:06.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 08:06.36 | zackeroo | GeneralAntilles : so ... I think I may have changed to Diablo ... for what reasons i forget .... but if I backtracked to Chinook would I still be able to use mapper and flite? |
| 08:07.13 | Jaffa | Mrs Jaffa started at the back with the clippers - forgetting to put on the plastic bit. |
| 08:07.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 08:08.11 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: my gf is never cutting my hair again either |
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| 08:12.19 | solmumaha | luckily i have a haircut nobody can really mess up |
| 08:12.24 | Stskeeps | bald? |
| 08:12.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:12.38 | solmumaha | yes |
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| 08:13.34 | solmumaha | wife doesn't like if it gets over 1 mm |
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| 08:15.49 | gomiam | . |
| 08:16.15 | gomiam | solmumaha: so she can smack your head better? ;-) |
| 08:17.36 | solmumaha | well it doesn't really look good any longer tbh :) |
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| 08:30.20 | zackeroo | how do I install wget in maemo? |
| 08:32.22 | zackeroo | I am trying to install roadmap ... but it says it needs wget |
| 08:34.09 | Stskeeps | install extras and apt-get install wget |
| 08:34.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:34.22 | solmumaha | or try red pill mode |
| 08:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | ^ no. |
| 08:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | Bad solmumaha. |
| 08:38.26 | solmumaha | sry |
| 08:39.11 | solmumaha | wget doesn't show up in red pill mode? |
| 08:39.31 | aquatix | no, red pill mode is discouraged |
| 08:39.51 | GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is bad juju |
| 08:39.59 | GeneralAntilles | It does bad things that get users in big trouble |
| 08:40.06 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get install wget is a lot lower impact |
| 08:40.30 | RST38h | Once he installs Roadmap, he is going to complain. Badly. Right here. And ask questions. |
| 08:40.55 | RST38h | So I suggest you do not help him install Roadmap. =) |
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| 08:41.59 | zackeroo | ha |
| 08:42.05 | zackeroo | too late.... its done |
| 08:42.42 | zackeroo | the install added a repo though... |
| 08:42.49 | zackeroo | called mg |
| 08:43.31 | zackeroo | should i disable it? |
| 08:45.54 | zackeroo | oh? |
| 08:49.14 | aquatix | zackeroo: well, i guess it's needed for roadmap packages? |
| 08:51.56 | zackeroo | it added as I was installing wget |
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| 08:56.05 | aquatix | oh |
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| 09:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | can't decide between a maemo.org startup splash and Err. |
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| 09:03.57 | smokie | Are there any problems installing esbox in eclipse ganymed ? Instal was fine, but all esbox option (maemo project, preferences, ...) end up in an error popup ? |
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| 09:10.42 | RST38h | maemo.org is going to get a startup splash? =) |
| 09:10.54 | Stskeeps | "Loading.." |
| 09:11.04 | RST38h | wonders whether ignoring latest redesign discussion has been a bad idea |
| 09:11.31 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ |
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| 09:18.24 | GeneralAntilles | Carman's not checking if you've already selected a location during updates. |
| 09:19.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hoo man, that looks nice. |
| 09:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | Did anybody ever figure out where the first Nokia logo resides? |
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| 09:20.52 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: First logo? |
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| 09:21.02 | GeneralAntilles | During startup |
| 09:21.16 | GeneralAntilles | I'm thinking it's on the initfs, but I'm not sure. |
| 09:21.20 | X-Fade | initfs? |
| 09:21.34 | X-Fade | I think so, I don't think it is in NOLO. |
| 09:22.15 | Stskeeps | it's in NOLO |
| 09:22.18 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 09:22.30 | Stskeeps | the very first nokia one |
| 09:22.48 | X-Fade | Isn't there an option in 0xffff to replace it? |
| 09:22.51 | X-Fade | I thought so. |
| 09:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, what a pain. |
| 09:23.40 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, it _is_ Nokia's own branding ;) |
| 09:24.10 | X-Fade | Next thing you want to do is remove the name nokia on your tablet's front? :) |
| 09:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | I paid for the damn device. :P |
| 09:24.22 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, that looks good. |
| 09:25.07 | GeneralAntilles | What do I want to replace the hands with? |
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| 09:31.34 | smokie | ESBox wont start here in ganymede. Even the preference dialog doesn't come because its unable to activate some classes ???? |
| 09:34.21 | Stskeeps | okay, so a optimized glibc -feels- like it helps. |
| 09:34.27 | Stskeeps | very interesting |
| 09:34.34 | Stskeeps | either that or i want it to help |
| 09:35.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: grab http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/glibc-optimized/ , libc6-dev and libc6 and whatever other packages you think might help : |
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| 09:46.56 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 09:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | Replaced the hands image with my current desktop background |
| 09:47.33 | GeneralAntilles | gives the impression of a faster startup. |
| 09:47.57 | RST38h | Make sure you have all the UI images on top of that background as well |
| 09:48.02 | X-Fade | Less flickering :) |
| 09:48.47 | RST38h | This is how iPhone makes application startup "faster" =) |
| 09:48.47 | X-Fade | yes, but don't try to click on something. |
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| 09:49.25 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 09:49.54 | Jaffa | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/03/08/improving_application_start_up_usability#comments |
| 09:50.07 | Jaffa | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/03/08/improving_application_start_up_usability even - and http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/03/09/improving_application_start_up_mockup |
| 09:50.22 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe grab Hildon Desktop's outline |
| 09:50.45 | johnx | then make a greyed-out version of it |
| 09:50.55 | johnx | "It's there, just wait another 3 seconds" :) |
| 09:51.16 | RST38h | just leave it as it is, will'ya? |
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| 09:53.49 | solmumaha | GeneralAntilles: you should test that on a woman |
| 09:54.14 | solmumaha | i know my wife would say it's broken before it's booted |
| 09:54.19 | macoute | btw. does anyone know who maintains maemo.org-widset? |
| 09:56.03 | johnx | Stskeeps, trying the new libc in a bit |
| 09:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | macoute, "wdiset"? |
| 09:56.29 | GeneralAntilles | s/wdi/wid/ |
| 09:57.23 | macoute | GeneralAntilles: its kinda an rss-feed-reader for mobile phones. finnish invention I think. |
| 09:57.36 | macoute | http://www.widsets.com/ |
| 09:58.46 | Jaffa | has never heard of it |
| 10:02.10 | RST38h | It is weird javascript-based stuff that runs inside an S60 browser |
| 10:03.07 | macoute | its kinda handy to have, though most of the widsets are coded like hell |
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| 10:03.30 | macoute | for example the weatherforecast-app has downloaded over 10 megs in some months |
| 10:03.35 | macoute | and i never use it |
| 10:03.49 | macoute | and most of the widset i use frequently only downloaded under a meg |
| 10:03.54 | macoute | in the same time |
| 10:04.12 | macoute | the traffic is not a problem, but the battery is :/ |
| 10:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | Raining like crazy outside |
| 10:04.28 | macoute | it can drain my e51 in about 12h if i leave it open |
| 10:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | made me think I had missed another hurricane. |
| 10:05.04 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, here too. probably a big hurricane :) |
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| 10:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | did that once. |
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| 10:05.58 | GeneralAntilles | "Man, it's raining a lot outside. *pulls up wunderground.com* Oh . . . tropical storm." |
| 10:06.40 | johnx | we just get typhoons. Not enough wind to do damage ... and I live on top of a hill, so flooding isn't really a concern |
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| 10:18.22 | Stskeeps | johnx: k, and just dpkg -i it |
| 10:18.43 | johnx | sounds good |
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| 10:22.48 | johnx | you optimized locales too? :) |
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| 10:23.34 | Stskeeps | i have no clue if they're optimized ;) i dpkg-buildpackage glibc and other scary things come along |
| 10:25.24 | johnx | :) well the package is architecture "all" so ... |
| 10:25.32 | Stskeeps | yeah :P |
| 10:25.42 | johnx | installing |
| 10:26.27 | johnx | I take it this is a necessary step before being able to optimize anything higher up? |
| 10:26.52 | Stskeeps | well |
| 10:26.55 | Stskeeps | it's a step ahead |
| 10:27.05 | Stskeeps | i mean, most apps use libc functions |
| 10:27.07 | Stskeeps | if not every |
| 10:27.11 | Stskeeps | libm is part of this too |
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| 10:27.48 | starkholtz | maemo |
| 10:27.51 | johnx | ncsd seg faults |
| 10:28.04 | Stskeeps | the install or? |
| 10:28.11 | Stskeeps | i just installed libc, seemed to work |
| 10:28.13 | Stskeeps | not the nscd |
| 10:28.16 | johnx | Starting Name Service Cache Daemon: nscdSegmentation fault |
| 10:28.16 | johnx | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.25 | starkholtz | maemo |
| 10:29.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: with the package laying on my repo or without? |
| 10:29.08 | Stskeeps | repo/url |
| 10:29.15 | johnx | with |
| 10:29.19 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:29.22 | Stskeeps | didn't test that honestly |
| 10:29.31 | johnx | I didn't know if I needed it or not |
| 10:29.38 | Stskeeps | i just applied libc6 and -dev |
| 10:29.40 | starkholtz | maemo |
| 10:30.03 | johnx | hmm, actually I think if you enable vfp you might want to declare a subarchitecture |
| 10:30.03 | Stskeeps | and stuff seems to work :P |
| 10:30.25 | johnx | anyways, the rest installed ok, so I'll reboot and enjoy the blinding speed |
| 10:30.34 | Stskeeps | k - revert nscd i guess |
| 10:34.17 | Stskeeps | and why a subarchitecture? |
| 10:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | Bizarre |
| 10:34.50 | GeneralAntilles | That guy's been spamming off and on for months. |
| 10:35.11 | johnx | Stskeeps, because vftp packages won't work on armv5te |
| 10:35.12 | Stskeeps | he's chanting maemo maemo maemo |
| 10:35.41 | Stskeeps | johnx: well, this one was optimized for n8x0 specifically |
| 10:35.58 | Stskeeps | this is -vfp thoug |
| 10:36.00 | Stskeeps | h |
| 10:36.26 | johnx | are there armv6 CPUs without vfp? |
| 10:36.41 | kulve | I think so. And I also think that there are armv5 cpus with vfp |
| 10:36.53 | suihkulokki | is there anything else that uses floats in glibc except libm ? |
| 10:37.44 | Stskeeps | good question, but for the apps that use libm this might be an advantage :P |
| 10:38.57 | RST38h | johnx: yes |
| 10:39.02 | RST38h | VFP is really optional |
| 10:39.17 | Stskeeps | johnx: anyway this package was just an attempt to see if it helps any to optimize specifically, not something that'd go in an "ordinary" install |
| 10:39.42 | johnx | of course, just doing a brain-dump over here :) |
| 10:39.47 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:40.01 | GeneralAntilles | wipes johnx's brains off his shoes. |
| 10:40.11 | zap | RST38h: that should be interesting for you: http://www.lenta.ru/news/2008/10/23/symbian/ |
| 10:42.20 | GeneralAntilles | finds it odd that it's taken so long to start getting real computers in cars. |
| 10:43.09 | RST38h | zap: Old news. They are not going to do it right away though |
| 10:43.40 | RST38h | zap: In related news, Sony just announced they are abandoning UIQ. |
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| 10:44.15 | RST38h | General: It took long enough traffic jams so that the drivers could really make use of in-car PCs |
| 10:45.07 | RST38h | A pity that with oil prices going down, we will not see the rise of mass-transit in the US, would be good for the mobile tech |
| 10:46.44 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: I mean, then you only need to compile a optimized version libm, not the whole shebang |
| 10:47.02 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: possibly, but did you see glibc package recently? :P |
| 10:47.18 | Stskeeps | it even runs test caes |
| 10:47.20 | Stskeeps | cases |
| 10:47.45 | Stskeeps | (which i disabled after it crashed my builder) |
| 10:47.51 | suihkulokki | and that's good, it makes sure you don't get a broken libc when going all gentoo with buildopts ;) |
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| 10:47.57 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 10:48.26 | suihkulokki | I take it that the last test you saw was tst-robust1 ? :) |
| 10:48.40 | Stskeeps | wordexp, scaringily |
| 10:49.54 | suihkulokki | that doesn't sound healthy |
| 10:50.11 | Stskeeps | well it is a qemu armel builder, so |
| 10:50.44 | Stskeeps | didn't expect that much of it :) low mem and all |
| 10:50.57 | Stskeeps | i will engage some beagle boards eventually for it instead |
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| 10:57.33 | Stskeeps | johnx: any noticable difference? |
| 10:59.33 | johnx | running aptitude to install things...it actually does feel a little better |
| 10:59.35 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:59.40 | johnx | not sure if that's confirmation bias :P |
| 10:59.45 | Stskeeps | i have no idea either |
| 10:59.56 | johnx | we'll need to time some stuff I guess |
| 11:01.01 | Stskeeps | i wonder if there's even glibc benchmarks, heh |
| 11:01.22 | johnx | well, we can test stuff higher up that's heavy on libm |
| 11:01.40 | Stskeeps | true |
| 11:02.51 | johnx | apt-* is linked against libm |
| 11:02.59 | johnx | maybe it was actually faster O_o |
| 11:05.29 | Stskeeps | what else is there.. cairo? |
| 11:05.36 | johnx | lots of stuff |
| 11:05.43 | johnx | ldd /usr/bin/* | less |
| 11:05.48 | johnx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.07 | johnx | python :) |
| 11:07.01 | johnx | X |
| 11:07.15 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:07.37 | Stskeeps | glances at prelik |
| 11:07.39 | johnx | and midori |
| 11:07.39 | Stskeeps | prelink |
| 11:10.11 | Stskeeps | i'm going to recompile cairo too and see if that makes a difference |
| 11:10.39 | Stskeeps | (and some of the dependancies that might like it) |
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| 11:14.08 | aquatix | hm: http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=14496 |
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| 11:15.41 | johnx | interesting :) |
| 11:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | Drivers for what? |
| 11:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | Does TI have a wifi chipset? |
| 11:16.24 | johnx | that's a really good question |
| 11:16.27 | suihkulokki | yes |
| 11:16.56 | suihkulokki | google wilink |
| 11:17.16 | Stskeeps | i think i saw it in android source |
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| 11:46.14 | TokyoDan | Hello. Is there some kind of lock on files created with an editor like PyGTKEditor that prevent the permissions from being changed? |
| 11:46.25 | TokyoDan | I created a python file called Hello.py the I open the X Terminal do a ls -l and see that the file is 644 and owned by User. I try chmod 777 on it but it remains 644. Funny thing is if i do chmod 111 the the permissions become ---------. |
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| 11:49.06 | TokyoDan | I can take away priveleges but I can't add priveleges higher than what the file was originally created with. |
| 11:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | Are you root? |
| 11:49.53 | johnx | is the file on your sd card? |
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| 11:50.52 | TokyoDan | Hello GeneralAntilles:& johnx. I tried as both user and root. And the file is on the internal sd card. |
| 11:51.43 | johnx | two things: file systems that are formatted as FAT can't really hold file permissions. Also, the internal card is mounted noexec |
| 11:52.26 | TokyoDan | How can I get around that. Use only internal memory? |
| 11:53.09 | TokyoDan | I'm trying to execute a Python file by just typing the file name at the shell prompt. |
| 11:53.24 | johnx | just use the internal memory |
| 11:53.45 | johnx | that's the easiest way |
| 11:53.57 | johnx | there are other solutions, but I don't think they're necessary |
| 11:54.00 | TokyoDan | Is there a way t change the "noexec" mount of the internal card? |
| 11:54.06 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, EXCUUUUSEEE MEEEE :P |
| 11:54.06 | johnx | of course |
| 11:54.19 | johnx | mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc2 |
| 11:55.07 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, i do, i do. |
| 11:55.13 | TokyoDan | Will that stick even after a power reset? And will it have any adverse effects? |
| 11:55.14 | andre___ | :-D |
| 11:55.14 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, guenther? |
| 11:55.27 | andre___ | no idea at all, shall I call him? |
| 11:55.30 | johnx | TokyoDan, no adverse effects. it won't stick |
| 11:55.38 | johnx | you'll have to go and change some scripts I guess |
| 11:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't he have a quota or something? :P |
| 11:56.13 | TokyoDan | Thanks johnx. I guess I'll take your advice and use the internal memory. |
| 11:56.36 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, no idea, last time i spoke with him was two weeks ago and he was still busy understanding new stuff |
| 11:57.03 | johnx | if you want to be able to type: my-program.py and have it run you should put it in /usr/bin after you're done editing it anyways |
| 11:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | The lynch-pin people on all my pet projects are going missing. :( |
| 11:57.15 | GeneralAntilles | First guenther, now jott. . . . |
| 11:57.15 | TokyoDan | Johnx, is that a comma or a period between remount and exec? |
| 11:57.22 | johnx | comma |
| 11:58.31 | TokyoDan | Thanks again for your help. I've been pissing around for an hour trying to change the permission of that file. |
| 11:58.50 | johnx | blame MS for a backwards filesystem :) |
| 11:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | When are we going to get a compatible filesystem that isn't absolute shit? |
| 12:00.00 | johnx | when MS dies off or is forced to interoperate (as it dies off) |
| 12:01.54 | TokyoDan | Well I've been learning a lot about the N810 and refreshing my long lost knowledge of UNIX thanks to you guys here and on ITT. |
| 12:02.45 | TokyoDan | Just getting back into programming vi Python after a 15 year absence. |
| 12:03.08 | johnx | you were doing python 15 years ago? |
| 12:03.28 | johnx | very early in the game :) |
| 12:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | via, johnx. :P |
| 12:03.59 | johnx | ah |
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| 12:04.38 | TokyoDan | Not Python, other languages. Python is all new to me. |
| 12:05.27 | TokyoDan | various assembly langs, basic, C, smalltalk. |
| 12:07.55 | GeneralAntilles | That just cracks me up that turning on the screen to display that stupid banner about the wallwart wastes more power than would be saved by unplugging it. |
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| 12:15.28 | TokyoDan1 | Back via n810/pidgin |
| 12:17.11 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Are you sure that an idle charger doesn't waste any power? Pretty hard to believe. |
| 12:17.29 | johnx | X-Fade, check out the bug report...let me find the number |
| 12:17.41 | GeneralAntilles | xM5x tested it |
| 12:18.03 | johnx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2285#c10 |
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| 12:20.27 | Jaffa | The final comment asserts that the message uses more power than the 264 & 609 microA measured. Or is the 609 microA for "Adapter #2" when the thing wakes up |
| 12:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | Two different chargers |
| 12:20.59 | GeneralAntilles | Both idle |
| 12:21.03 | TokyoDan1 | Johnx, where did you say i should put python scripts after editing? And why? |
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| 12:22.43 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: So where's the measurement to back up the assertion? It seems odd to carefully measure two idle chargers (with an enormous difference in idle current) but then just *say* the tablet's message uses more energy; without any figure. |
| 12:22.44 | johnx | TokyoDan1, in /usr/bin because that's in your $PATH |
| 12:22.57 | X-Fade | So that is 14 milliamp hours wasted per day? |
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| 12:23.27 | GAN800 | The detailed numbers are on itT. |
| 12:23.58 | Jaffa | GAN800: then a link to the post needs to be added to the bug report ;-) |
| 12:24.10 | Jaffa | For my next trick, I've got some eggs I can show you how to suck |
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| 12:25.53 | GAN800 | Jaffa, what's the point? The message isn't ever going away anyway. |
| 12:26.14 | Jaffa | Then what's the point of the bug? |
| 12:26.21 | TokyoDan1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.48 | GAN800 | Jaffa, I can't just let idiocy like that go down without any objection. |
| 12:26.56 | Jaffa | Either it's a realistic attempt to change the behaviour, especially if the reasoning behind it is empirically provable as faulty, or it's just noise in Bugzilla to act as a rant. |
| 12:27.32 | GAN800 | Well, it's a legislative issue, apparentlt |
| 12:27.45 | Jaffa | Really? In what region? |
| 12:27.45 | GAN800 | So it's out of Nokia's hands. |
| 12:28.18 | X-Fade | Let me guess. California ;) |
| 12:28.44 | GAN800 | I don't know specifics, but so says a Nokia employee. |
| 12:29.00 | GAN800 | EU, apparently. |
| 12:29.05 | Jaffa | Bollocks |
| 12:29.32 | GAN800 | From Europe? I'd expect it. . . . |
| 12:29.44 | Jaffa | My brand new non-Nokia phone doesn't do anything like that, manufactured within the EU; sold by an EU-based company and sold within the EU to an EU citizen. |
| 12:29.56 | Jaffa | GAN800: You read too much of the _Daily Mail_ or the _Daily Express_. |
| 12:30.14 | GAN800 | Could be a more general pro-green sort of deal |
| 12:30.37 | GAN800 | Neither, actually |
| 12:31.14 | GAN800 | But with the baffling sorts of directions politics takes over there |
| 12:31.44 | suihkulokki | heh |
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| 12:31.48 | Jaffa | You're also beginning to sound like Karel with his "all Europeans are bending over to let Islam shaft them" (or somesuch) |
| 12:32.06 | GAN800 | shrugs |
| 12:32.19 | GAN800 | Whatever, the banner's stupid and needs to go away |
| 12:32.54 | GAN800 | I don't care if it draws as much power as my computer, my devices don't get to tell me what to do. |
| 12:32.56 | X-Fade | has other problems to worry about. This is just a stupid waste of time ;) |
| 12:33.13 | Jaffa | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6481969.stm - for example |
| 12:33.54 | suihkulokki | well it's easy to imagine how the banner came to life |
| 12:34.46 | suihkulokki | some green delegation comes to meet $bigcompany, waves furiously hands and complans that $bigcompany isn't doing enough for enviroiment |
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| 12:34.59 | suihkulokki | $bigcompany boss promisest to do more |
| 12:35.25 | suihkulokki | ..and passes the message down "do something to make us look more enviroimental" |
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| 12:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | needs to get moving on killing the old wiki. |
| 12:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can you figure out what you want the redirect pages to look like? |
| 12:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | Then I'll take your template and fill them all out. |
| 12:42.41 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What redirects? |
| 12:43.02 | GeneralAntilles | For the popular pages on the old wiki to the new wiki. |
| 12:43.16 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Kill_the_old_wiki |
| 12:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | Will somebody educate this guy about Red Pill already? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=236302&postcount=91 |
| 12:43.54 | zs | hi is it possible to create fiasco image from n810 after update? |
| 12:43.56 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do you need a page for that? Why not just do an actual redirect? |
| 12:44.21 | GeneralAntilles | That's the plan, but I wasn't sure on the specifics |
| 12:46.27 | X-Fade | I think you can create redirect folders for them. |
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| 12:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, redirection seems to only be to other wiki articles |
| 12:50.38 | X-Fade | You can do it to urls too, I think. |
| 12:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like an http redirect would be cleaner |
| 12:51.12 | X-Fade | It can do that. |
| 12:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | Midgard terrifies me. :( |
| 12:51.43 | X-Fade | Let me see if I can find the option ;) |
| 12:54.54 | X-Fade | Or we can do it via Apache rewrite rules? |
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| 12:56.00 | GAN800 | I dunno, that's why I'm asking you. :P I just know I want page a to point to page b. |
| 12:57.09 | GAN800 | dneary, are you satisfied with the current list of copies and redirects? |
| 12:58.07 | X-Fade | GAN800: Just give me a list with: |
| 12:58.10 | X-Fade | RewriteRule ^/community/wiki/blablablapagehere http://wiki.maemo.org/blablapagehere |
| 12:58.28 | X-Fade | Should be pretty straight forward. |
| 12:59.05 | GAN800 | I need a couple more people to compare the lists and then we can do it. |
| 12:59.29 | X-Fade | Ok, well I can setup the apache server to do the redirects. |
| 13:00.11 | GAN800 | Though I wonder how many pages on the site are linking to the old wiki. |
| 13:00.33 | X-Fade | That doesn't matter as they will get redirected ? |
| 13:00.54 | GAN800 | Well, not every page is getting a redirect |
| 13:01.13 | X-Fade | No, but we can make a catch-all one. |
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| 13:05.18 | dneary | GAN800: The one I added to last week? |
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| 13:07.00 | GAN800 | Yeah |
| 13:10.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cairo/libpixman-1-0_0.10.0-2_armel.deb , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cairo/libcairo2_1.6.4-6_armel.deb |
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| 13:11.06 | johnx | Stskeeps, great! I'll install those and give midori a try |
| 13:12.13 | suihkulokki | johnx: dromaeo.com before and after? |
| 13:13.23 | Stskeeps | is really bad at noticing performance differences himself |
| 13:13.33 | johnx | suihkulokki, to see if cairo will affect js performance much? or should I switch back to a non-vfp glibc first? |
| 13:13.53 | johnx | I'll switch back to non-vfp everything for baseline |
| 13:13.56 | johnx | couple minutes... |
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| 13:24.38 | X-Fade | GAN800: About the usage of wrong sections: I've asked Ed if he can implement a rule to force all "wrong" sections to user/other in the autobuilder. |
| 13:25.14 | X-Fade | GAN800: I'll find out if we can do that easily and after that will write up a proposal for moving forward. |
| 13:25.20 | GeneralAntilles | Graham flipped a shit last time that was suggested. |
| 13:26.15 | X-Fade | Hehe, we talked with him at the summit. |
| 13:27.03 | X-Fade | I think Jaffa and I can talk with him if that is the case. |
| 13:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I'd rather see it implemented either as a simple warning (or maybe a complete built-refusal at the autobuilder level) and handle the section enforcement at the Application manager level. |
| 13:27.38 | X-Fade | Well, the warning will come as soon as we have a list ;) |
| 13:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | Of course. |
| 13:28.19 | Jaffa | Indeed, isn't it the App Mgr's job to ignore sections, rather than making the autobuilder move them? |
| 13:28.35 | X-Fade | So we might want to get a preliminary list over the weekend. |
| 13:28.50 | Jaffa | That just encourages people to get sniffy about the autobuilder. Have it as a warning, but then we make App Mgr only show the standard (and i18nable) sections |
| 13:28.55 | Jaffa | X-Fade: agreed |
| 13:29.22 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But there is my main issue: |
| 13:29.48 | X-Fade | If we are going for the subsections, do we want to create all subsections beforehand. |
| 13:29.53 | Jaffa | Ah. True. |
| 13:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | hates categorization so much. |
| 13:30.09 | X-Fade | Or do we want to allow people to create _sub_sections themselves ;) |
| 13:30.17 | Jaffa | That's a more specific case of the problem I just thought of: changing the sections without redeploying |
| 13:30.52 | GeneralAntilles | I was looking for inspiration on the types of sections that might be useful |
| 13:31.06 | GeneralAntilles | it's interesting to see the sorts of systems other people use |
| 13:31.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/ |
| 13:31.10 | Jaffa | I'm relatively happy with arbitrary subsections, as long as they are named after the package, rather than some arbitrary thing the developer thinks other people should use |
| 13:31.25 | johnx | suihkulokki, ok, that site is just crashing debian's midori... |
| 13:31.27 | X-Fade | about omap3 and better camera: user/imaging ? :) |
| 13:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | or http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.category&PartnerREF=&siteid=1 |
| 13:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | Multimedia? |
| 13:31.54 | Jaffa | Video's multimedia; pics aren't. |
| 13:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | Where would GIMP, or MyPaint go? |
| 13:34.11 | X-Fade | It might be a good thing to write a description for all categorie with what type of applications should be put there. |
| 13:34.23 | Jaffa | finds Ubuntu's menu structure quite close to how I (manually) organise my Windows start menu: |
| 13:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | What about user/system? |
| 13:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia uses it for osso-software-version |
| 13:35.02 | GeneralAntilles | Would something like a rotation-support metapackage go there or Support? |
| 13:35.13 | Jaffa | Accessories, Games, Graphics, Internet(/Networking), Office, Programming, Sound & Video, System(/System Tools). |
| 13:35.30 | Jaffa | "Support" sounds useless to me. But I've not looked at the rationale recently. |
| 13:35.42 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I vote "System" for that |
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| 13:35.59 | Jaffa | rotation-support is user/system - it's something the user installs once and never accesses as an application |
| 13:36.04 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Support can be help documentation, language support etc? |
| 13:36.28 | GNUton | hi |
| 13:36.39 | Mek | http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html has the list of categories for the freedesktop.org menu spec |
| 13:36.44 | GeneralAntilles | Currently, OpenAFS, krb5, and libillumination0 are in user/support |
| 13:37.09 | X-Fade | Mek: Interesting. |
| 13:37.38 | Jaffa | X-Fade: "Documentation" or "Help" would seem better. Language support for the OS, is an interesting question. But for a particular app it should be something like "user/multimedia/Canola", "Package: canola-language-pack-ru" (or something) |
| 13:38.02 | Jaffa | Mek: ta. |
| 13:38.07 | Jaffa | Yeah, I like those :) |
| 13:38.09 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Rule one: Never _ever_ capitalize ;) |
| 13:38.22 | lopz | hola |
| 13:39.57 | Jaffa | X-Fade: If subsections are used to package together all the Canola crap, etc. how can we handle the *display* of the sub-section being possibly different to the key, then? |
| 13:40.17 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Localization. |
| 13:40.54 | X-Fade | Jaffa: So the 'technical english' term is used for the packager. And the AM shows it localized? |
| 13:41.12 | Jaffa | Ye-es. But in the specific Canola example, the system's not going to be able to have l10n for 'canola' before installing some Canola-related package. |
| 13:41.45 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Or are you envisaging sub-sections for *not* grouping together the multi-package app stuff? |
| 13:42.05 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, I'm not sure about that. |
| 13:42.16 | X-Fade | It all depends on how we can transform the AM. |
| 13:42.39 | X-Fade | This whole mess would be better if the AM displayed it better. |
| 13:42.51 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if we'll be able to talk m-vo into tossing in a few minor changes to make the categories view mildly bearable. |
| 13:42.59 | X-Fade | But still. |
| 13:43.08 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ah :) |
| 13:43.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I have talked with mvo about that in the past. |
| 13:43.39 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see at least one of my improved views implemented |
| 13:43.40 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: He was willing to give some people access to the svn as long as they worked in a separate branch. |
| 13:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | But I doubt he has time on that. |
| 13:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | s/on/for/ |
| 13:44.10 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Correct, he doesn't have the time. But does want to patch if a patch is ready. |
| 13:44.12 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I've yet to get anybody to step up for that so far. :\ |
| 13:44.17 | Jaffa | Patches should work, as long as a) they get accepted; b) they don't duplicate work he's already doing |
| 13:44.34 | Jaffa | lardman and I started discussing having time for it. |
| 13:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | Really wish we knew something about what sort of direction Fremantle will be taking. . . . |
| 13:44.52 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm no gtk wizard, I'm afraid ;) |
| 13:44.53 | Jaffa | Last weekend's room rearrangement took about 1.5 days longer than the 1 day I allocated, though |
| 13:44.58 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed. |
| 13:45.13 | Jaffa | The existing UI's hardly a compelling finger experience (mmm, just make the buttons bigger) |
| 13:45.30 | Jaffa | I like the old idea of a tag cloud |
| 13:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | Wish the list rendering were optimized |
| 13:45.56 | Jaffa | If you've just got a device and are going to install something to play with it, what category has the most breadth |
| 13:46.02 | X-Fade | Jaffa: And add a thumb scroll bar ;) |
| 13:46.06 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: s/optimized/in any way sensible/ |
| 13:46.10 | GeneralAntilles | I still don't get why it needs to regenerate the whole damn list. |
| 13:46.11 | Jaffa | X-Fade: :) |
| 13:46.23 | MangoFusion | why even have categories anyway |
| 13:46.30 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well you laugh, but things like that would help a lot ;) |
| 13:46.44 | MangoFusion | usually if i want to install something, i already know what it is called |
| 13:46.47 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Because it's a frontend, and isn't fully integrated into apt. So it doesn't know what packages have been installed when you install package `a'. |
| 13:46.54 | Jaffa | MangoFusion: Effectively - at the moment - we don't. |
| 13:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I like browsing. |
| 13:47.25 | Jaffa | MangoFusion: There's a use case of "I want to install a video player, don't show me bible reading software"; or "I want a new game" |
| 13:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | But the "All" list is starting to get a bit big for that. |
| 13:47.45 | MangoFusion | i guess |
| 13:47.49 | MangoFusion | in any case |
| 13:47.58 | MangoFusion | would be nice if i could quickly see the description of an app |
| 13:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | I want some "New packages" and "Popular packages" buttons hooked into Downloads. |
| 13:48.57 | MangoFusion | most of the time it just lists an ambiguous name (if it does fit on the screen) |
| 13:48.57 | X-Fade | MangoFusion: True, but you won't be able to do that with 'ALL' in a list of 500 entries or more ;) |
| 13:49.11 | MangoFusion | bah, i'll just let you guy's sort it out ;) |
| 13:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | So many ideas, too few people with the time and skills to implement them. |
| 13:51.10 | Jaffa | Or inclination without, as you say, knowing what Nokia's plans are (there must be some) |
| 13:51.17 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I have the solution! |
| 13:51.34 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Make AM a Maemo 5 champion! |
| 13:51.36 | Jaffa | Generally, software (including Maemo) improves over time. Why bother hurting ourselves now when Nokia might do it "for us" over then ext 9 moonths |
| 13:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 13:51.50 | Jaffa | Actually, that's not a bad idea |
| 13:51.50 | X-Fade | The killer app we want Nokia to support! |
| 13:52.01 | Jaffa | In fact, I think it's a reallt *good* idea. |
| 13:52.06 | GeneralAntilles | I was going to say "Tie rm_you to a desk and make him work 24/7 Clockwork Orange style?" |
| 13:53.00 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I'll get on that. I need a supply of Dr. Pepper and ... no that's about it |
| 13:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | chains johnx to the floor behind rm_you |
| 13:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | Now you make sure he doesn't sleep. :P |
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| 13:53.50 | X-Fade | But actually, it would be worth a shot. |
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| 13:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, I actually like that idea. |
| 13:54.09 | RST38h | Umgh |
| 13:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | If only to see Quim's reaction. |
| 13:54.14 | Jaffa | Indeed. As a community we want to explore the available apps and have a nice gateway for it. |
| 13:54.34 | RST38h | AbiWord. Do we have AbiWord already? |
| 13:54.39 | GeneralAntilles | In beta |
| 13:54.41 | Jaffa | Not reliabilty |
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| 14:16.14 | RST38h | BTW, when you say "explore the available apps" what do you mean? |
| 14:16.46 | RST38h | There are basically ~20-30 really usable/useful Maemo apps and pretty much everybody knows what these are |
| 14:17.21 | johnx | new apps do sometimes appear in app manager with little or no announcement |
| 14:17.26 | GAN800 | There are new things coming out |
| 14:17.47 | X-Fade | GAN800, Jaffa: Interesting document: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/mvo/system-model-2.txt |
| 14:18.07 | X-Fade | It seems mvo is working on this too ;) |
| 14:19.36 | Jaffa | X[FA |
| 14:19.39 | Jaffa | Bah. |
| 14:19.45 | Jaffa | X-Fade: some very interesting things in there :) |
| 14:20.01 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, but that seems to be Harmattan stuff. |
| 14:20.06 | Jaffa | indeed |
| 14:20.11 | Jaffa | OS2020 |
| 14:20.25 | X-Fade | Something like that :) |
| 14:22.14 | GAN800 | 'shot on sight' hehe |
| 14:23.08 | X-Fade | At least that will give us something to talk about ;) |
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| 14:24.43 | johnx | suihkulokki, I'm running the sunspider benchmark instead. dromaeo was just crashing the browser |
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| 14:46.48 | yacoob | RST38h, is there a list of those 20-30 apps? :) |
| 14:47.39 | johnx | yeah, on any post where someone asks "What are the best appzzzz?" on itt... |
| 14:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | ~must-haves |
| 14:49.23 | GeneralAntilles | ~musthaves |
| 14:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | ~musthave |
| 14:49.26 | infobot | methinks musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects |
| 14:49.47 | LinuxCode | amsn! |
| 14:50.14 | yacoob | GeneralAntilles, any reason not to create a rudimentary 'Notable apps' page? with a content from the referenced page? |
| 14:50.40 | GAN800 | Because that's already the page? |
| 14:50.52 | GAN800 | No sense duplicating it |
| 14:50.58 | yacoob | (and person that put fennec on 'release quality' list must be out of his/her mind :) |
| 14:51.07 | GAN800 | You could create a redirect if you wanted, though. |
| 14:51.27 | yacoob | GAN800, not really something that a passer-by would find by title. And yeah, redirect I'll make. |
| 14:52.01 | GAN800 | Add it to one of the front page templates, too, if you want. |
| 14:52.24 | yacoob | no anonymomus edits |
| 14:52.29 | yacoob | heh :) |
| 14:52.51 | GAN800 | https |
| 14:55.08 | yacoob | well, tbh, I'd either reformat the page (to remove stuff that might confuse person not familiar with the organizational work behind it), or just create a new one with just a list of apps |
| 14:56.17 | RST38h | yacoob: yes, look at maemo.org in Downloads, under Popular and Stars |
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| 15:04.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: any benefit? |
| 15:05.07 | johnx | I'm doing the test with vfp libs installed right now |
| 15:05.16 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Dunno about wifi mac but bluetooth mac is easy as hell to change on N800 |
| 15:05.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: alright |
| 15:05.31 | johnx | wifi mac is easy enough to change too :) |
| 15:05.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ok, well, using ifconfig yes |
| 15:05.48 | Stskeeps | i was just wondering if MAC comes from CAL |
| 15:06.02 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Hmm, you can do it like that? I just run echo after bt-cal has done its stuff |
| 15:06.24 | qwerty12 | johnx: But does it work properly? I hear people have problems associating with APs? |
| 15:06.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, when we didn't have wlan-cal i ifconfiged |
| 15:06.47 | johnx | qwerty12, in os2008 yes |
| 15:07.06 | qwerty12 | ah, ok. I just remember the "cracking" map application thread... |
| 15:07.24 | johnx | or rather it doesn't work well in os2008 |
| 15:07.31 | johnx | it does work well in a bare debian install |
| 15:07.44 | johnx | it probably doesn't work all that well in deblet with nokia stuff running |
| 15:08.09 | qwerty12 | cal is equivalent to nvram on routers. Does nothing except store information and programs read it and do the dirty work |
| 15:09.55 | qwerty12 | Hmm, what is the codename for N800? |
| 15:09.58 | yacoob | does this osmo thing does a good job at being a pim? |
| 15:10.36 | qwerty12 | Ahh, Nokia Gagarin |
| 15:10.51 | Stskeeps | yacoob: if they fixed some pixel and not variable width/heights, it would be good on tablet |
| 15:12.06 | yacoob | need to give it a try then, once I get my nokia back |
| 15:12.20 | yacoob | unless it doesn't sound the alarms when asleep? |
| 15:12.44 | lbt | 'lo |
| 15:13.52 | Stskeeps | yacoob: patches.. :P |
| 15:15.37 | Stskeeps | lo lbt |
| 15:17.15 | johnx | grrr...re-running in performance mode so that it's actually a valid comparison... |
| 15:18.00 | Stskeeps | im wondering if i should make a daemon listening on charger events to enable performance mode / ondemand |
| 15:18.22 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: get in touch with lcuk |
| 15:18.56 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i know how to do it :P |
| 15:19.10 | solmumaha | Stskeeps: i thought about that too, that feature would be nice for advanced backlight for example |
| 15:19.13 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I don't doubt it but if its already been done... |
| 15:19.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's a dbus listener at most :P |
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| 15:20.09 | solmumaha | slider for different modes and an option to switch to performance when charging |
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| 15:21.26 | GAN800 | Somebody should write an adv battery instead. |
| 15:22.14 | Jaffa | Yes, making advanced-backloght the default "let's make it do everything better" is feeping creaturism. |
| 15:23.06 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i still wonder what austin che will make of his BME crackin' |
| 15:23.20 | GAN800 | An adv-battery shouldn't be all that difficult to implement. |
| 15:23.53 | Stskeeps | GAN800: moontiger was working on a generic HAL battery applet at some point |
| 15:24.40 | MangoFusion | adv-battery... what, does that make the tablet cry if its running low on power? |
| 15:25.05 | MangoFusion | or maybe its a big funky battery image |
| 15:25.36 | Stskeeps | "Keep the charger in, you dumbwit. It's more practical" |
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| 15:25.47 | johnx | maybe adv-power would be a better name |
| 15:26.30 | johnx | Stskeeps, vfp makes midori a little slower at javascript it seems :/ |
| 15:27.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: k |
| 15:27.46 | johnx | let me post results |
| 15:27.59 | Stskeeps | it's kinda hard to argue - was it with or without cache? |
| 15:28.12 | lbt | Stskeeps: work... hi, it's been a while!! |
| 15:28.27 | johnx | Stskeeps, it was rerun 5 times each |
| 15:28.31 | johnx | performance mode both times |
| 15:29.02 | Stskeeps | lbt: indeed |
| 15:29.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: alright |
| 15:30.37 | johnx | http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider-results.html?{%223d-cube%22:[3635,3693,4060,3501,3420],%223d-morph%22:[8314,8433,8570,8936,9002],%223d-raytrace%22:[4526,4229,4177,4306,4466],%22access-binary-trees%22:[1510,1384,1477,1438,1515],%22access-fannkuch%22:[1401,1389,1381,1400,1451],%22access-nbody%22:[6509,6717,6341,6053,5946],%22access-nsieve%22:[955,914,933,881,907],%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:[581,468,553,436,456] |
| 15:30.37 | johnx | ,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:[524,572,596,639,525],%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:[1399,2285,1394,1361,1375],%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:[1921,1845,2079,1801,1812],%22controlflow-recursive%22:[574,589,544,613,544],%22crypto-aes%22:[1377,1420,1432,1452,1395],%22crypto-md5%22:[1669,1824,1833,1762,1832],%22crypto-sha1%22:[1795,1759,1763,1733,1749],%22date-format-tofte%22:[4822,4757,4831,4722,4850],%22date-format-xparb%22:[4401,4526,4468,4427,4493 |
| 15:30.38 | johnx | ],%22math-cordic%22:[3549,3615,3334,3605,3106],%22math-partial-sums%22:[8309,8553,8611,8429,8379],%22math-spectral-norm%22:[2123,2197,2017,2006,2216],%22regexp-dna%22:[3843,3889,3913,3837,3907],%22string-base64%22:[3832,3760,3711,3787,3924],%22string-fasta%22:[4378,4393,4325,4288,4359],%22string-tagcloud%22:[4437,4421,4571,4426,4429],%22string-unpack-code%22:[5942,6057,6178,6181,6080],%22string-validate-input%22:[4433,4471,4482,4514 |
| 15:30.45 | johnx | ,4447]} |
| 15:30.45 | Stskeeps | jesus crist |
| 15:30.47 | johnx | eep |
| 15:30.49 | johnx | sorry O_o |
| 15:30.50 | Stskeeps | tinyurl |
| 15:30.50 | qwerty12 | Pastebin, please! |
| 15:30.51 | MangoFusion | aieeeee! |
| 15:30.54 | qwerty12 | OMG |
| 15:30.55 | qwerty12 | RUN |
| 15:31.13 | johnx | sorry, didn't realize ;-_- |
| 15:31.23 | Stskeeps | i just got assaulted by an url :( |
| 15:31.25 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 15:32.39 | glass | huh |
| 15:32.45 | johnx | this is w/ vfp: http://tinyurl.com/55lhhc |
| 15:32.57 | glass | does the friggin url contain the entire page encoded |
| 15:33.03 | johnx | yes |
| 15:33.09 | johnx | apparently :/ |
| 15:33.26 | johnx | I just did a ctrl+l, ctrl+c, ctrl+p so I never saw the whole thing |
| 15:33.36 | johnx | without vfp: http://tinyurl.com/6d3e9x |
| 15:34.31 | Stskeeps | mm, confidence intervals may indicate they're similar maybe |
| 15:34.57 | johnx | interestingly a zaurus running angstrom completes the tests faster but with only 64MB it's a much worse real-world browsing experience |
| 15:38.05 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 15:42.51 | johnx | back later |
| 15:43.23 | nemo | johnx: what browser is that? |
| 15:43.58 | nemo | johnx: be aware that sunspider has a bug in it which will hurt Gecko performance |
| 15:44.04 | nemo | I don't think it has been fixed yet |
| 15:44.09 | nemo | "bug" |
| 15:44.20 | nemo | "deliberately placed flag that everyone ignores except gecko" :) |
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| 15:44.48 | nemo | granted, that's only in one test |
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| 15:58.18 | l7 | hrm, does anyone know how i can kill a misbehaving desktop widget? |
| 15:58.39 | l7 | i think omweather is causing my n800 to be unable to finish booting |
| 15:59.06 | l7 | where are the startup variables for the widgets? |
| 15:59.26 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i kinda don't disagree with qgil's view on things really, from nokia's pov, so i'm not sure i would be able to argue, - except contribute directions |
| 16:00.01 | qwerty12 | l7: for omweather, put a file called noomweather.txt in your internal memory card and omweather wont start |
| 16:00.04 | Stskeeps | just looking closer at the mails now |
| 16:02.21 | `Mace | wtf is going on with this goddamn key |
| 16:02.38 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: but he's really saying it quite clearly, which may be the death of maemo eventually, "We have 0 plans of moving Maemo into that direction." |
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| 16:03.32 | Stskeeps | which means nokia sees maemo as firmware for their tablets, and they provide a sdk for that device, and that's that |
| 16:03.54 | l7 | hrm, trying that now |
| 16:03.59 | Stskeeps | like a typical hardware/engineering company |
| 16:04.35 | Stskeeps | and try to play nice and support the community around it |
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| 16:24.24 | l7 | qwerty12: does anything need to be in noomweather.txt? |
| 16:24.33 | qwerty12 | l7: no |
| 16:24.56 | l7 | hmm, i put the file in /media/mmc2/ |
| 16:25.03 | l7 | doesn't seem to have changed anything |
| 16:25.11 | qwerty12 | :/ |
| 16:25.29 | l7 | it looks like the UI won't load completely |
| 16:25.44 | l7 | i get the sidebar on the left side, but it's blank |
| 16:29.03 | l7 | i don't suppose there's a safe mode you can boot into that would allow you to uninstall problematic stuff? |
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| 16:32.53 | l7 | bleh, i guess i'll just reflash |
| 16:33.03 | l7 | hrm, where's that wiki article on reflashing? |
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| 16:34.33 | l7 | hrm, is there a mirror of the maemo wiki? |
| 16:34.58 | Pavlov | is there a way to make a full backup of my device so i can flash a different image on it and then restore it? |
| 16:41.52 | l7 | hrm, setting up booting from SD seems like the best solution for that |
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| 17:00.09 | Stskeeps | wtf @ google |
| 17:00.23 | Stskeeps | i search for upstart moblin |
| 17:00.34 | Stskeeps | and it searches for upstart goblin instead without telling me |
| 17:00.56 | qwerty12 | Yu-Gi-Oh! |
| 17:01.19 | qwerty12 | God, I remember my brother watching that shit... |
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| 17:03.04 | disco_stu | qwerty12: lol |
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| 17:04.04 | Stskeeps | yes, your "brother".. |
| 17:04.04 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 17:04.36 | qwerty12 | Erm, oops, I've been caught out |
| 17:04.49 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:04.58 | Stskeeps | ponders idly on a quest |
| 17:06.18 | disco_stu | i have 25 episodes of dragon ball in my tablet |
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| 17:06.50 | disco_stu | that is a nice series |
| 17:07.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: am i insane if im pondering if i can debootstrap based on http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/? |
| 17:07.56 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: And end up with some weird, uncompleted maemo clone? :P |
| 17:08.16 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: well, also to prove a point |
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| 17:08.30 | Stskeeps | that it may not be possible to construct maemo from the stuff they released |
| 17:09.35 | ShadowJK_ | what bits are missing? |
| 17:10.22 | Stskeeps | should really stop caring and code instead |
| 17:11.40 | ShadowJK_ | Let me guess, the community wants maemo to run on other devices too and think it'd make sense and would fight against google's android, but nokia wants it just on their own tablets and still cling desperately to symbian+s60? |
| 17:11.54 | Stskeeps | yes, that's about right |
| 17:12.50 | ShadowJK_ | They should just make their execs use the tablet |
| 17:13.08 | ShadowJK_ | before I had used the nit I thought using Linux on a mobile device was pure insanity |
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| 17:16.39 | Sargun_Screen | I don't care who maemo works with |
| 17:16.52 | Sargun_Screen | just as long as its me |
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| 17:18.10 | l7 | hrm, file manager has a link to backup/restore in it's tools menu |
| 17:18.15 | l7 | doesn't really seem to make sense |
| 17:21.49 | Jaffa | bingles free wifi at Wetherspoons before _Hamlet_ |
| 17:23.13 | Jaffa | David Tennant & Patrick Stewart Shakespearey goodness |
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| 17:29.23 | RST38h | Dr Who and Jean Luke Picard in Hamlet? =) |
| 17:29.40 | RST38h | Do tardis and Enterprise make appearance? |
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| 17:33.55 | smackpotato | is there any way i can make the curser visible at any time other than startup |
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| 17:39.43 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-October/035376.html |
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| 17:41.55 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: and that kinda has made me give up on the maemo platform as anything i'd invest time in developing for |
| 17:42.06 | Stskeeps | tablet hw, principle, sure, but not as worthwhile platform |
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| 17:43.48 | ShadowJK_ | Well, their idea isn't bad per se |
| 17:44.24 | ShadowJK_ | it's just that with their elephant in a porcelain store approach to opensauce they dont exactly attract much goodwill :) |
| 17:44.41 | Stskeeps | indeed - contributing back and such, but keeping the changes hidden until last minute :P |
| 17:45.02 | ShadowJK_ | oh that's not unlike android |
| 17:45.22 | ShadowJK_ | but google had shitloads of karma to blow away when they began |
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| 17:55.46 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
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| 17:57.20 | Stskeeps | hi Khertan_n810 |
| 17:57.34 | Khertan_n810 | hi Stskeeps |
| 17:59.53 | Khertan_n810 | is still finding a way to display nicely a list of alarm .. |
| 18:00.08 | Khertan_n810 | s/finding/searching |
| 18:00.35 | Stskeeps | should vacuum the house |
| 18:01.04 | Stskeeps | gf coming back tonight after 3 weeks gone |
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| 18:01.59 | Khertan_n810 | héhé |
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| 18:10.13 | RST38h | Khertan: What are the requirements? |
| 18:10.29 | RST38h | Khertan: Do you show by day, week, month? What is your granularity? |
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| 18:14.32 | RST38h | Oct 24, 1929: Wall St crash |
| 18:16.20 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 18:16.40 | Stskeeps | now that would be irony |
| 18:17.13 | lcuk | ~lart microsoft outlook |
| 18:17.13 | infobot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps microsoft outlook |
| 18:17.25 | lcuk | feels a bit better |
| 18:17.27 | lcuk | ~lart microsoft outlook |
| 18:17.27 | infobot | whips microsoft outlook with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 18:18.23 | RST38h | why use it? |
| 18:18.45 | lcuk | thats the point i dont |
| 18:19.01 | lcuk | but after windows update it came back |
| 18:19.22 | RST38h | KILL |
| 18:19.58 | lcuk | :) now you see my angst |
| 18:20.27 | lcuk | am i the only one thankful its friday? |
| 18:20.27 | Khertan_n810 | why using window ? |
| 18:20.46 | Khertan_n810 | hi lcuk :) |
| 18:20.51 | RST38h | is ok about other days too |
| 18:20.52 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, 'ell no :p. i get a week off :D |
| 18:20.52 | lcuk | heh evening khertan - for about 3 reasons |
| 18:21.06 | lcuk | you jammy b'strd |
| 18:21.17 | Khertan_n810 | RST38h: for alarm ? |
| 18:21.22 | Khertan_n810 | just datetime |
| 18:22.43 | RST38h | Khertan: what I really want to know is whether you want to show a single alarm only, or all the alarms for some time period |
| 18:22.54 | RST38h | depending on which one it is, the ui will be different |
| 18:23.32 | lcuk | or just the list of all alarms known to the system |
| 18:24.21 | Khertan_n810 | ah all alarms for an events |
| 18:24.36 | RST38h | if it is just one alarm, then use huge letters centered at the screen and simulate those flip-over displays is possible |
| 18:24.59 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk: jammy b'strd ?? |
| 18:25.06 | RST38h | all alarms globally, use a time-sorted vertical list |
| 18:25.34 | RST38h | if it is alarms-by day, use vertical list for days and divide each list item vertically by hour |
| 18:25.38 | lcuk | heh khertan, it was aimed at qwerty12_N800, i dont know how to pronounce it without sounding northen |
| 18:25.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 18:25.56 | lcuk | how many alarms are people expecting? |
| 18:25.57 | Khertan_n810 | in fact in next futur beautifull better calendar ever seen in the universe |
| 18:26.04 | Khertan_n810 | an event can have |
| 18:26.14 | Khertan_n810 | multiple alarms |
| 18:26.25 | RST38h | btw, check how Papyrus does it - you may get some ideas |
| 18:26.30 | Khertan_n810 | on a single event |
| 18:26.31 | RST38h | Papyrus is very popular |
| 18:26.40 | lcuk | and? those are reminders beforehand and shouldnt be part of the typical views? |
| 18:26.41 | Khertan_n810 | papyrus ? |
| 18:26.47 | lcuk | anymore than a dot somewhere at least |
| 18:27.08 | Khertan_n810 | they found how to include alarm in papyrus by a genetic way ? |
| 18:27.13 | lcuk | "in 3 minutes the alarm will go off to remind you that in 5 minutes an alarm will be going off to remind you that a task should have been finished 5 minutes before" |
| 18:27.45 | lcuk | just show the tasks and events - and if those tasks have reminder bings they dont need disyplaying on the generic list |
| 18:27.45 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... i could add this option for you lcuk :) |
| 18:27.50 | lcuk | \o |
| 18:27.55 | lcuk | o/ |
| 18:28.06 | Khertan_n810 | this is for editing it :) |
| 18:28.08 | RST38h | Khertan: http://www.smartphone.net/software_detail.asp?id=1085 |
| 18:28.20 | Khertan_n810 | not displaying it in the generic list |
| 18:28.21 | lcuk | how many reminders do you need? |
| 18:28.45 | Khertan_n810 | sometimes 7 or 8 :) |
| 18:28.56 | lcuk | fix the problem upstream |
| 18:29.18 | Khertan_n810 | it s not a problem |
| 18:29.26 | lcuk | so for 1 event you need 7 reminders? |
| 18:29.56 | Khertan_n810 | yep example ... one event starting monday and finishing friday |
| 18:30.22 | Khertan_n810 | you can need event each day at 9h |
| 18:30.42 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 18:31.03 | lcuk | thats a recurring event with 5 instances though, different to reminders for a single event |
| 18:32.14 | RST38h | Khertan: use colors |
| 18:32.25 | Khertan_n810 | not reccuring ... it a single event wich is 5 day long |
| 18:32.32 | RST38h | lcuk: I think he needs an event that lasts multiple days |
| 18:32.46 | lcuk | i know the problem, outlook does it |
| 18:32.54 | RST38h | Khertan: Ok, let us say you have a vertical list by day. |
| 18:33.07 | Khertan_n810 | no no i just need a way to display thing nicely to edit the reminder list of one event |
| 18:33.23 | RST38h | Khertan: To denote such a long event, you use a certain color to start it on monday and finish it some time on friday |
| 18:33.50 | RST38h | And let the user drag those boundaries with his finger |
| 18:34.02 | Khertan_n810 | hum i ll take my car ... |
| 18:34.08 | Khertan_n810 | see you tomorrow |
| 18:34.13 | Khertan_n810 | and thx for idea |
| 18:34.59 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, have a nice evening |
| 18:36.41 | RST38h | bye |
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| 18:38.36 | lcuk | RST38h, have you ever been just dropping off to sleep and had such cool idea that you knew you had to open eyes again and write it down |
| 18:40.12 | RST38h | lcuk: I have |
| 18:40.20 | RST38h | lcuk: Always went back to sleep though =) |
| 18:40.27 | lcuk | heh, well i had one of the moments last night |
| 18:40.37 | RST38h | did you write it down? |
| 18:40.50 | RST38h | was it about banana being smaller than its skin? |
| 18:40.57 | lcuk | so i reached over for my 810, opened my eyes and slid the keyboard out and almost blinded my fscking self - i almost threw it across the room |
| 18:41.08 | Stskeeps | advanced backlight |
| 18:41.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:41.17 | RST38h | yep. advanced blacklight it is. |
| 18:41.22 | lcuk | normally i leave it on minimum (thx to abl) |
| 18:41.28 | lcuk | and in liqbase cos its dark |
| 18:41.37 | lcuk | but this time it was on max and brightwhite |
| 18:41.59 | Stskeeps | like the flash of a thousand suns |
| 18:42.08 | lcuk | yeah sts |
| 18:42.20 | lcuk | have you seen the flash that liqbase does when you take a photo? |
| 18:42.33 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 18:42.36 | RST38h | Does Nokia use LEDs or the traditional backlight? |
| 18:42.52 | lcuk | heh, its very useful, people know the pic was took and carry on moving again |
| 18:43.17 | lcuk | i dunno rst, it was too bright last night |
| 18:43.29 | lcuk | i want my nokia to know and respect what time it is and the fact i put it to sleep |
| 18:43.36 | lcuk | and it should never wake me up like that again |
| 18:43.47 | RST38h | lcuk: it should also talk back to you! |
| 18:43.48 | ShadowJK_ | if advanced backlight only supported using the light sensor :( |
| 18:44.05 | lcuk | my sensor is covered over all the time |
| 18:44.26 | RST38h | lcuk: More importantly though, do you still remember what that idea was? |
| 18:44.37 | lcuk | yes actually :) |
| 18:44.53 | lcuk | N1 (original) is the lower one with the sticker http://liqbase.net/double_tiny.JPG |
| 18:45.32 | lcuk | rst, yes i needed to make a note of it for that very reason |
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| 18:49.30 | penguinbait | are we having fun yet? |
| 18:49.35 | lcuk | is wd40 safe to clean the screen with? |
| 18:49.42 | lcuk | i am always having fun |
| 18:49.46 | l7 | wd40?? |
| 18:49.48 | lcuk | apart from when im not |
| 18:50.03 | lcuk | yes l7, cleansing and lubricating |
| 18:50.10 | penguinbait | always? |
| 18:50.59 | RST38h | NO |
| 18:51.10 | lcuk | ok pb, not always before this year i spent a couple of years moping about (mainly linked to .net) but now i have my mojo |
| 18:51.31 | penguinbait | its nice to find your mojo :) |
| 18:51.34 | RST38h | you can just as well use olive oil to clean your screen =) |
| 18:51.57 | penguinbait | just give it a good lick |
| 18:52.11 | lcuk | not the base though |
| 18:52.20 | penguinbait | thats what she said! |
| 18:52.32 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:53.30 | l7 | hrm, does the n800 care which distro created a .swap file? |
| 18:53.55 | penguinbait | swap formatting is all the same |
| 18:54.02 | qwerty12_N800 | shouldn't do, a swap file is blank |
| 18:54.06 | l7 | i have a .swap file on my internal SD card from my last install and i wonder if i should erase it and start over |
| 18:54.07 | penguinbait | so no, I would think not |
| 18:54.10 | l7 | oh |
| 18:54.18 | lcuk | pb, this year ive gotten to do what ive been trying to do for years :) |
| 18:54.27 | l7 | well that saves me some trouble |
| 18:54.40 | BULLE_ | l7: i doubt they changed the swap fileformat, and if so, swapon should complain |
| 18:54.53 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, eradicate your northen accent!?! |
| 18:55.00 | qwerty12_N800 | +r |
| 18:55.12 | l7 | BULLE_: yeah, no complaints, it just picks it up and uses it if it's there i guess |
| 18:55.27 | lcuk | that happens everytime i stop talking surprisingly |
| 18:55.27 | penguinbait | Its nice what you can work on things people appreciate |
| 18:56.24 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, lol, i'm just messing around. if i'm too hyped and my speech reflects that, my northern accent comes out too :p |
| 18:56.26 | lcuk | :) |
| 18:56.50 | l7 | hrm, swapspace says "?SWAPSPACE2" when i do head or tail of it |
| 18:56.57 | lcuk | ive sussed things anyway, and when my next video comes out ill be talkin from the kitchen - i can speak without wakin tracy up |
| 18:57.16 | penguinbait | whats up qwerty, do you get your drivers license this year? Now that your 16? |
| 18:57.26 | l7 | is it possible to take a look at what's written in swap? |
| 18:58.10 | qwerty12_N800 | hey pb, I can only get when i'm 17 :( but i can apply for one now |
| 18:58.25 | penguinbait | Is that the law? 17? |
| 18:58.44 | penguinbait | you can get learner permit in US at 15 |
| 18:58.53 | qwerty12_N800 | 95% sure it is :( |
| 19:00.00 | qwerty12_N800 | well, i can apply for a licence to drive a moped at 16 :D |
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| 19:03.20 | penguinbait | I Picture a tricked out moped with n800 mounted in front |
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| 19:15.08 | Mousey | huggles his new working tablet |
| 19:15.48 | Mousey | huggles tablet |
| 19:15.49 | tablet | Mousey, oi, stop touching me |
| 19:15.58 | Mousey | fondles tablet |
| 19:16.05 | Mousey | touches tablet liberally |
| 19:16.09 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 19:16.12 | tablet | lol |
| 19:16.52 | Mousey | upgrading from singtel firmware -> diablo went without a problem, turns out i'm an illiterate dummy, who can't read documentation and missed a VITAL SWITCH |
| 19:17.22 | RST38h | does not understand what Mousey is talking about |
| 19:17.39 | RST38h | Singtel firmware? Vital switches? Have you tried sonic screwdriver? |
| 19:17.49 | Mousey | for those that missed it, here's the wallpaper from the singtel firmware.. (many people weren't impressed).. http://ross154.net/~mprov/singtel_background.png |
| 19:18.24 | qwerty12_N800 | lul, wtf |
| 19:18.51 | Mousey | it was an adventure |
| 19:19.01 | Mousey | i got it back from palco with a singtel firmware |
| 19:19.34 | Mousey | then, because i'm a dumbass, i couldn't upgrade it to diablo |
| 19:19.36 | lcuk | thats classy |
| 19:19.38 | Mousey | thot i had a problem |
| 19:19.42 | lcuk | throws up in his mouth a little |
| 19:19.43 | Mousey | but no, i'm just a tard |
| 19:20.30 | lcuk | are you waiting for someone to disagree? :P |
| 19:20.33 | Mousey | i installed liqbase! |
| 19:20.37 | Mousey | but then i don't get it |
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| 19:20.44 | lcuk | \o/ w000t, you aren't a tard :D |
| 19:20.45 | Mousey | lcuk: no no, i KNOW i'm a dummy =) |
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| 19:21.01 | lcuk | what do you mean you dont get it |
| 19:21.41 | Mousey | well i played with it for all of 3 minutes |
| 19:21.49 | Mousey | oh, i did notice the resolution was different |
| 19:22.00 | Mousey | 640x640. that was neat, i changed it |
| 19:22.08 | Mousey | i guess this means it runs on other things |
| 19:22.20 | penguinbait | anyone got any idea whats happening to this? I have a script that converts some spanish characters and it works in ssh on maemo but not in xterm. If I pass público it will convert to p'ublico in ssh in xterm it comes out as p blico |
| 19:22.24 | lcuk | no, but it shows that resolution doesn't matter :) |
| 19:22.56 | Mousey | that's about as far as i got |
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| 19:23.47 | Mousey | oh, speaking of remapping things, i was messing around in /usr/share/X11/xkb/nokia_vdr/rx-44, tryna remap the sterling to a | but i forgot what the keyword for | is =( |
| 19:23.49 | lcuk | its just an easy way to get info into the device and review it again |
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| 19:24.53 | Mousey | lcuk: like a notebook? like xournal but cooler? |
| 19:25.17 | Mousey | like famous formulas that start out on napkins? |
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| 19:25.35 | lcuk | heh, yes |
| 19:25.44 | Mousey | i thought | was Bar, but my tablet tells me i'm WRONG |
| 19:25.50 | lcuk | i have a very bad memory |
| 19:25.51 | Mousey | Tab is Tab tho |
| 19:26.00 | lcuk | i have to write things down to remember them |
| 19:26.19 | lcuk | but i got so sick of turning the page and they were gone |
| 19:27.08 | lcuk | now they arent :) and i can start to puull them together (carefully of course) and make use of them |
| 19:27.47 | lcuk | if that use expands to taking a picture and writing an instant postcard to someone (with a nice new camera from nokia) then WOW! |
| 19:27.57 | Mousey | lcuk: ok, that's cool, i'll try using it for that, cuz i use xournal like that all the time |
| 19:28.00 | lcuk | if its like writing on the back of a polaroid |
| 19:28.04 | penguinbait | seriuosly, I put "público" in a file, if I am in ssh and cat the file I see "público" if I go to xterm and cat same file I see "p blico" |
| 19:28.09 | penguinbait | wtf? |
| 19:28.38 | lcuk | font? |
| 19:28.48 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, remove the l! |
| 19:28.53 | lcuk | or just extended 8bit |
| 19:29.02 | Mousey | votes font |
| 19:29.15 | Mousey | cd p?blico |
| 19:30.07 | penguinbait | l! ?? |
| 19:30.22 | qwerty12_N800 | yer, púbico |
| 19:31.10 | lcuk | -1 qwerty - thats double minus lame |
| 19:31.27 | lcuk | :P |
| 19:31.42 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it's a southern thing, you wouldn't understand :p |
| 19:31.49 | penguinbait | I am a tad slow today :) |
| 19:32.37 | lcuk | is it cheating by the way if i make a twitter clone but simply post my irc lines? |
| 19:32.56 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, i'm using lucida console as my font in osso-xterm and i see ú fine after running cat |
| 19:33.24 | lcuk | whistles quietly |
| 19:34.02 | penguinbait | I changed mine to lucida console and it still fails |
| 19:34.27 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, kinda my fault for making it go in /usr/share/fonts :p. nice font though, thanks for the pointer via liqbase :p |
| 19:34.28 | lcuk | bbl |
| 19:34.46 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:34.48 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, what's your encoding setting in osso-xterm? |
| 19:34.49 | lcuk | cya later |
| 19:34.57 | qwerty12_N800 | bye lcuk for now |
| 19:35.03 | penguinbait | unicode |
| 19:35.13 | Mousey | none of this multicode stuff! |
| 19:35.21 | Mousey | all characters ONE SINGLE CODE! |
| 19:35.32 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, same here though i'm using bash as my shell |
| 19:35.46 | penguinbait | hmmm? |
| 19:36.26 | qwerty12_N800 | zap put bash3 in extras. dunno if that is a reason i'm seeing the ú though |
| 19:36.37 | penguinbait | if I change my encoding to latin it works? |
| 19:37.03 | GeneralAkbar | IT'S A BUG! |
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| 19:41.48 | penguinbait | FYI qwerty, its not bash |
| 19:42.04 | woglinde | hi |
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| 19:42.46 | penguinbait | hi! |
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| 19:47.48 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, then it's your tablet of course! |
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| 20:00.27 | BugBlue | where to get kismet for maemo? |
| 20:00.33 | BugBlue | it seems that it disappeared |
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| 20:02.17 | RST38h | ...recent expansion of authority claimed by the Border Patrol to stop and search individuals up to 100 miles from any US border... |
| 20:02.29 | RST38h | Wonderful |
| 20:03.17 | woglinde | hehe |
| 20:03.29 | RST38h | This should obviously be extended to the whole territory and they should get rights to confiscate property as well |
| 20:03.31 | woglinde | I know why I wouldnt travel there |
| 20:03.55 | RST38h | is pretty sure .DE has got some amusing laws on its own though |
| 20:04.02 | woglinde | not yet |
| 20:04.20 | woglinde | or be sure you are not islamistic |
| 20:05.26 | woglinde | traveling by airplane is now out of sign too, with the naked scanners |
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| 20:09.42 | RST38h | Air travel has become pretty outlandish now, but I really want to see the whole thing |
| 20:10.40 | Mousey | i need a commodore emulator! |
| 20:10.42 | Mousey | http://www.bardstaleonline.com/BT1/Downloads.asp |
| 20:11.07 | RST38h | Random strip searches at the streets. Equipment confiscations. Incarceration for copyright violations. Cute street advertisements for DHS (as in "Beware: Your Family May Be Harboring A Terrorist Right Now!") |
| 20:12.15 | woglinde | hm yes we had another strange story here |
| 20:12.31 | RST38h | Half the kitchen aisle in department stores should also be fenced off, with all the "sensitive" chemicals (such as baking soda) sold by buyer's ID only |
| 20:12.33 | woglinde | islamistic terrorist are using child porn picture for communication |
| 20:12.40 | BugBlue | time to build a buildmachine |
| 20:12.46 | RST38h | woglinde: + they can wank at it! =) |
| 20:13.01 | BugBlue | is there a virtual machine image I can leech to boot up and just crosscompile applications? |
| 20:13.09 | BugBlue | or do I have to build it myself like everyone else? |
| 20:13.11 | woglinde | bugblue hm yes |
| 20:13.14 | RST38h | It is called Maemo SDK |
| 20:13.16 | woglinde | but dont ask me where |
| 20:13.40 | mariorz | are there any docs on maybe doing some firmware hacking so that the Hildon UI is never loaded and load some custom app instead? |
| 20:13.45 | qwerty12_N800 | BugBlue, http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:13.48 | RST38h | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:14.13 | BugBlue | ha nice! |
| 20:14.15 | BugBlue | thanks! |
| 20:14.27 | RST38h | mariorz: boot manager |
| 20:14.41 | woglinde | firmware hacking *sigh* |
| 20:14.47 | qwerty12_N800 | BugBlue, you'll be glad to know kismet svn has driver for n800 wifi chip. not brilliant by any standards but i was able to run for 24h... |
| 20:15.05 | RST38h | bootmenu.garage.maemo.org |
| 20:15.12 | BugBlue | qwerty12_N800: I know it does have.. I did run kismet on my n810 for a while... until I updated |
| 20:15.23 | mariorz | cool, thanks eveyrone |
| 20:15.27 | woglinde | qwerty12 it will be better in the future with the new opensource driver |
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| 20:15.56 | qwerty12_N800 | BugBlue, same here :D but i got my build of aircrack-ng back :) |
| 20:16.03 | qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, yeah :) |
| 20:16.41 | BugBlue | qwerty12_N800: where did you get it? |
| 20:16.47 | BugBlue | ah you're own build |
| 20:16.48 | woglinde | some one knows how to use a htc blue angel as inet modem with the n810? |
| 20:16.59 | qwerty12_N800 | qwerty12_N800, i uploaded it on itt :) |
| 20:17.00 | woglinde | bluetooth pairing works |
| 20:17.07 | BugBlue | woglinde: bluetooth pan? |
| 20:17.10 | qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, bluetooth-pan |
| 20:17.14 | woglinde | yes |
| 20:17.18 | woglinde | but I tried |
| 20:17.23 | woglinde | but it shows nothing |
| 20:17.33 | BugBlue | argh.. there is no vmware player for mac os X |
| 20:17.34 | woglinde | I installed maemo-pan |
| 20:17.46 | woglinde | but what I have to configure than? |
| 20:17.57 | BugBlue | time for virtualbox |
| 20:18.23 | BugBlue | 1 clic download and I didn't have to sell my soul |
| 20:18.37 | qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, can you add it as a phone with the phone control panel applet? |
| 20:18.44 | MangoFusion | vmware fusion... well worth the money imo |
| 20:18.46 | woglinde | qwerty12 nope |
| 20:18.51 | MangoFusion | virtualbox isn't that bad though |
| 20:18.56 | woglinde | qwerty12 otherwise I would not ask |
| 20:19.40 | BugBlue | virtualbox works on my linux workstation |
| 20:19.50 | BugBlue | if it doesn't work I convert it to xen and run it somewhere on the internet :P |
| 20:19.58 | BugBlue | [I do like linux] |
| 20:20.17 | qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, hmm, brb |
| 20:21.31 | woglinde | hm I will look up how bt-pan is working |
| 20:21.51 | qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191297 |
| 20:22.17 | woglinde | thanks |
| 20:22.31 | BugBlue | bt-pan created some sort of wireless network ... you just join the network and the phone is your router [that's the theory, practice will differ with every implementation ofcourse] |
| 20:23.15 | woglinde | hm qwerty whats this configeditor that is shown there? |
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| 20:23.48 | woglinde | hm ah |
| 20:23.56 | woglinde | problem is pda detection |
| 20:24.02 | qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, gconf-editor. ed bartosh's work but only for chinook so i sent it to diablo extras-devel |
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| 20:24.27 | woglinde | bt suckz |
| 20:24.33 | woglinde | with all this protocols around |
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| 21:45.01 | TokyoDan | Does anybody know what shells are used in the normal and root accounts of N810 running Diablo and where are the environment variables such as $PATH set? |
| 21:49.48 | RST38h | busybox |
| 21:50.32 | woglinde | env |
| 21:50.36 | woglinde | ist your friend |
| 21:50.40 | woglinde | for question2 |
| 21:51.01 | ShadowJK_ | where not what |
| 21:51.24 | ShadowJK_ | grep PATH in all of /etc might be more helpful for figuring out #2 |
| 21:51.50 | qwerty12_N800 | it also depends on the method you are using to get root wrt environment variables |
| 21:51.58 | woglinde | oh sorry |
| 21:52.09 | woglinde | misunderstood the question |
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| 21:56.17 | TokyoDan | Thanks. I'm just trying to run an executable python script in my local directory /home/user/MyDocs/Hello.py. |
| 21:57.00 | TokyoDan | But I get command not found. I added /home/user/MyDocs to /etc/profile $PATH but that had no effect. |
| 21:57.58 | mgedmin | did you reboot? |
| 21:58.11 | mgedmin | could be some other script overrides the PATH setting later |
| 21:58.29 | mgedmin | I set my $PATH in ~/.ashrc |
| 21:58.34 | mgedmin | or was that ~/.profile? |
| 21:58.37 | mgedmin | one of those |
| 21:58.41 | TokyoDan | no, just restarted the terminal window and did a echo $PATH to see if the directory was added and it was. |
| 21:59.08 | mgedmin | good |
| 21:59.19 | TokyoDan | it was in /etc/profile |
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| 22:11.07 | bef0rd | Hi, am I the only one that is annoyed to have to accept twice a file when receiving it through bluetooth? |
| 22:15.35 | mgedmin | didn't notice that |
| 22:15.49 | mgedmin | but I'm annoyed that I have to uncheck the 'open file' checkbox when accepting a file over bluetooth |
| 22:15.57 | mgedmin | and it's tiny and not thumb-friendly |
| 22:16.03 | bef0rd | yeah, that too |
| 22:16.39 | bef0rd | it should probably store/load the latest selected option |
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| 23:36.39 | l7 | ah, sftp is cool |
| 23:36.55 | l7 | being able to sftp in and drop stuff off on my n800 remotely :) |
| 23:37.03 | l7 | let's see an ipod do that! |
| 23:37.52 | Mousey | l7 it can |
| 23:37.57 | Mousey | not that i'd want to |
| 23:38.10 | l7 | with jailbreak? |
| 23:38.25 | Mousey | who doesn't jailbreak a iphone/ipod touch? |
| 23:38.37 | l7 | heh |
| 23:38.40 | Mousey | also, you can't put dual 32gb SDHC cards in a ipod |
| 23:38.46 | l7 | yup |
| 23:38.54 | Mousey | i want an n800 now |
| 23:39.01 | Mousey | for external storage for my n810 ^_^ |
| 23:39.07 | l7 | heh |
| 23:39.19 | Mousey | at least there are 16gb microSD cards now |
| 23:39.30 | l7 | can you still buy an iphone w/o activating it these days? |
| 23:39.49 | l7 | 16gb microsds seem rather pricey |
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| 23:40.27 | Bilaw | Hello, all! |
| 23:40.43 | l7 | hiya |
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| 23:43.32 | hellwolf | In maemo, I want to use some python script, it told me "ImportError: No module named py_compile" |
| 23:43.48 | hellwolf | What am I missing |
| 23:51.44 | hellwolf | Ok, I install python-dev, it's ok now |
| 23:55.56 | Bilaw | Silly question of the day: has anyone tried to install another (distribution) on their tablet, say Ã
ngström, or Ubuntu MID, or anything else? |
