| 00:00.20 | mgedmin | resists from making a plumber joke |
| 00:01.18 | johnx | for the average user a "rescue mode" that consisted of two menu options: press + to dump the internal storage to sd card |
| 00:01.23 | ToyKeeper | GeneralAntilles: Is seems no worse than the reboot loop, and at least offers the possibility of useful information. |
| 00:01.30 | johnx | press - to disable lifeguard reset and reboot |
| 00:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps needs to get crackin' on his cool graphical boot menu. ;) |
| 00:02.03 | ToyKeeper | Those options do sound more useful. |
| 00:02.44 | ToyKeeper | ... detect boot loops, and on, say, the third boot, offer a function like johnx described. |
| 00:09.25 | Mousey | i agree |
| 00:09.33 | Mousey | a cryptic command line is better than no options at all |
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| 00:10.08 | Mousey | i don't know who nokia thinks is buying their tablets, but if i got a command line instead of an infinite boot loop, i'd at least know where to start |
| 00:11.15 | johnx | assume you're not the average customer if you're in IRC |
| 00:11.18 | johnx | :) |
| 00:12.03 | Mousey | hmph. i'm not convinced normal people would own such a useful device |
| 00:12.03 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, but I'd take something which is useful to 1% of the users over something which is useful to 0% |
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| 00:12.44 | Mousey | i've never seen a n810/800/770 in the hands of someone who wasn't capable |
| 00:12.56 | Mousey | i mean, maybe i run in small circles.. but still |
| 00:13.36 | johnx | visit itt for about 10 minutes |
| 00:13.45 | Mousey | touche |
| 00:14.17 | johnx | and that's only the people who know enough and are brave enough to post in that forum |
| 00:14.26 | GeneralAntilles | shudders |
| 00:15.23 | ToyKeeper | I guess I'd just approach it a bit differently... keep things the same as a regular linux system except where there's a good reason not to. |
| 00:15.24 | Mousey | you're cynics |
| 00:15.40 | johnx | ToyKeeper, it's a consumer device |
| 00:15.53 | Mousey | i'm a consumer |
| 00:16.01 | johnx | Mousey, I'm not a cynic. I just know people who aren't geeks |
| 00:16.08 | Mousey | that's why they're on itt |
| 00:16.19 | johnx | Mousey, Don't take this the wrong way: You're a geek :) |
| 00:16.27 | Mousey | that doesn't stop me from reading it |
| 00:16.34 | Mousey | (just posting) |
| 00:16.37 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 00:16.57 | Mousey | besides.. maybe viewing it as (strictly) a consumer device is part of the problem |
| 00:17.10 | ToyKeeper | Yes, it is a consumer device. And the consumer won't know whether their toy is running clean, standards-compliant code or custom spaghetti. Both can have the same visible UI. |
| 00:17.27 | Mousey | nokia could change -nothing-, change maemo around a little bit and sell it as a sub-sub-notebook an do just as well among prosumers |
| 00:17.49 | ToyKeeper | But I've been finding all sorts of stuff in /etc/init.d and elsewhere which makes me cringe. |
| 00:17.49 | mgedmin | it doesn't look like a notebook |
| 00:17.59 | mgedmin | they would have to switch to a clamshell design |
| 00:18.10 | mgedmin | or they could sell it as a sub-tablet-pc... |
| 00:18.15 | Mousey | mgedmin: geeks know a general computing device when they're presented with one |
| 00:18.30 | Mousey | it's a PC, it's got a drive, usb, a keyboard, display, network radios |
| 00:18.39 | Mousey | it's a freakin' pc in a phone chassis |
| 00:18.41 | mgedmin | and they generally ignore marketing |
| 00:18.52 | johnx | I'm thinking the majority of people who bought it aren't actually geeks |
| 00:18.55 | mgedmin | I already describe my n810 as "a laptop replacement" |
| 00:19.06 | Mousey | not true.. look at the netbook. people pay very close attention to marketing, even geeks |
| 00:19.42 | mgedmin | are you saying that geeks who want a sub-sub-notebook and would buy a n810 if labeled so currently don't buy it because of how it's marketed? |
| 00:19.44 | ToyKeeper | Heh, I tell people my n810 is a smaller version of the eeePC. It's not too far from the truth. :) |
| 00:19.59 | glass | geeks pay a lot of attention to geek'coolness', some don't even care about anything else |
| 00:20.07 | Mousey | it would cost money to market the n810 from two different angles, the consumer and the geek angles.. but it would pay off. most people i know who are geeks who DISCOVER the n810 are floored by it.. if nokia had only gotten to them before i did |
| 00:20.32 | ToyKeeper | glass: That's why Apple makes so much money. They sell tech fashion accessories. :) |
| 00:20.35 | Mousey | blah |
| 00:20.39 | glass | ToyKeeper: yes |
| 00:20.43 | Mousey | but what apple makes IS CRAP |
| 00:20.49 | Mousey | ...by geek standards |
| 00:21.03 | Mousey | c'mon, could you honestly compare the iPod touch to a n810?? |
| 00:21.05 | johnx | hmm |
| 00:21.08 | Mousey | no stinkin' way |
| 00:21.10 | ToyKeeper | Mousey: What Apple makes generally isn't tech, it's fashion. |
| 00:21.31 | glass | fashion with bit of tech, that tends to stay the same |
| 00:21.32 | Mousey | right, which is why nokia should consider their marketing angle incomplete if they're not marketing to tech |
| 00:21.39 | johnx | Mousey, for a certain segment of people the touch is much more useful |
| 00:21.57 | Mousey | johnx: hahaha. that segment hasn't heard of the n810 over the hype, that's all |
| 00:21.58 | glass | Mousey: you should consider that nokia isn't actually marketing maemo devices at all, compared to marketing other stuff |
| 00:22.09 | glass | Mousey: it's a concept/trial device still. |
| 00:22.12 | Mousey | glass: i do. they're a celphone company |
| 00:22.26 | johnx | Mousey, no, they don't have the knowledge/time to deal with reboot loops and installing from the command line |
| 00:22.27 | Mousey | glass: well you can still kill a trial device with bad/improper marketing |
| 00:22.51 | glass | Mousey: you can kill more by marketing a concept device too much |
| 00:23.06 | johnx | anyone who completely discounts the touch/iphone is really missing something... |
| 00:23.06 | glass | i guess |
| 00:23.17 | glass | appstore? |
| 00:23.31 | glass | and the simplicity of that |
| 00:23.37 | glass | being limited brings simplicity |
| 00:23.50 | Mousey | that's fine, i'm not saying it should be marketed as a concept device (which it isnt, btw), but i'm saying the marketing should be DIRECTED towards the market which would get the most out of the device AS WELL as whomever else they thing they can reach with the thing |
| 00:24.07 | johnx | glass, exactly. some people are better off with training wheels on their bikes :) |
| 00:24.16 | Mousey | s/some/most |
| 00:24.27 | glass | johnx: which gets us to why maemo isn't primetime ready.. all the os versions and that |
| 00:24.29 | Mousey | but that's not the point.. marketing the n810 to MOST people is the mistake |
| 00:24.39 | glass | johnx: not a good target device for commercial stuff |
| 00:25.17 | glass | anyways, it's moving along |
| 00:25.31 | johnx | yeah, I always hope that the next API break will be the last |
| 00:25.37 | ToyKeeper | D'oh. rsync segfaults |
| 00:25.40 | Mousey | what about QT? |
| 00:25.42 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 00:25.52 | johnx | not an API break :) |
| 00:25.59 | glass | Mousey: it's a yet another change |
| 00:26.19 | ToyKeeper | QT can die for all I care. It's been holding back progress on linux PDAs for almost a decade. |
| 00:26.20 | Mousey | glass: but relevant to the nseries? |
| 00:26.27 | johnx | adding this is fine, changing/removing things is where the problem lies |
| 00:26.32 | Mousey | ToyKeeper: i think there's something to your statement |
| 00:26.34 | johnx | ToyKeeper, hmm? |
| 00:26.51 | ToyKeeper | qtopia, anyway |
| 00:26.58 | johnx | ah, the licensing |
| 00:27.04 | johnx | yeah, I do agree with you there |
| 00:27.14 | ToyKeeper | And the underlying non-standard tech. |
| 00:27.15 | johnx | the great zaurus distro fork |
| 00:27.15 | glass | johnx: well, if the consumer can't tell even by looking what device he has what soft he could buy.. it's not good |
| 00:27.15 | Mousey | well it's gpl now |
| 00:27.18 | glass | so still moving |
| 00:27.37 | ToyKeeper | Without qtopia, I suspect the zaurus would have been much more successful. |
| 00:27.50 | Mousey | blah. zaurus was before its time, imho |
| 00:27.58 | glass | i don't think lack of sw was zauruses problem |
| 00:27.59 | johnx | ToyKeeper, or with an open qtopia |
| 00:28.07 | johnx | glass, yeah, it really was |
| 00:28.11 | Mousey | the japanese zaurii would have been cooler in the US market |
| 00:28.22 | ToyKeeper | Having to rewrite every app specially to run on it is a major problem. |
| 00:28.25 | glass | johnx: well it had enough cool soft, imho |
| 00:29.02 | Mousey | if the zaurus had had 800x480 and cost half as much, it would have been cooler |
| 00:29.04 | johnx | it had cool software on the sharp "ROM" (distro) but that was bitrotting |
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| 00:29.22 | johnx | and it had some neat software on 3 other more modern distros |
| 00:29.39 | ToyKeeper | With maemo, I can run any X11 program. It may not be optimal, but at least it works... and adding support seems to require only small changes. |
| 00:29.43 | johnx | but moving software between distros was so difficult I can only think of a couple apps that were actually cross distro |
| 00:29.45 | Mousey | is sad that palco hasn't gotten his tablet yet |
| 00:29.46 | glass | johnx: i think the early zaurus problem was lacking bt and btphones and 3g to pair with or wifi |
| 00:30.01 | johnx | glass, only kinda. wifi cf cards worked fine |
| 00:30.13 | Mousey | speaking of, has a2dp gotten any easier yet? is it still 50% cpu to run it? |
| 00:30.17 | glass | johnx: it was pretty cool with 6310i and bt card when the first flatrate gprs's hit here |
| 00:30.39 | glass | johnx: my bro had some bt sd card or somesuch.. |
| 00:30.51 | glass | on his zaurus |
| 00:30.57 | glass | much better than ir'ing |
| 00:31.00 | johnx | one day I'll finally have unlimited cell phone based inet |
| 00:31.13 | Mousey | one day i'll own my own wimax router |
| 00:31.18 | glass | i'm ircing through 3g now |
| 00:31.29 | glass | ping is plenty enough for irssi |
| 00:32.12 | ToyKeeper | D'oh. I'd have unlimited 'net via my cell phone if I could remember its dialup password. |
| 00:32.26 | glass | johnx: anyways.. opera on zaurus was amazing by that days standards |
| 00:32.36 | glass | johnx: the 50% zoom |
| 00:32.42 | johnx | it was, and no browser has really filled its shoes |
| 00:32.55 | johnx | that was the problem of great software tied to a DOA platform |
| 00:33.09 | Mousey | likes micro-b |
| 00:33.23 | johnx | microb is good if you have 128MB of RAM |
| 00:33.28 | ds3 | johnx: isn't the PHS stuff unlimited? |
| 00:33.39 | Mousey | so the n900 will need GL-ES |
| 00:33.57 | Mousey | and an accelerometer (instead of a weak GPS chip) |
| 00:34.06 | johnx | ds3, depends on your provider. most stuff here is WCDMA now as well |
| 00:34.09 | Pavlov | the gps is pretty bad |
| 00:34.28 | johnx | heh...my phone's AGPS is way better :) |
| 00:34.39 | Pavlov | i got a signal with the n810 gps once |
| 00:35.05 | glass | the agps update was what really made n95's gps usable |
| 00:35.43 | Mousey | what is agps supposed to do anyway? approximate where to begin trying to aquire or something? |
| 00:36.39 | johnx | the A is for Assisted |
| 00:36.52 | johnx | there's a couple different ways this is accomplished (potentially) |
| 00:37.02 | Mousey | oh |
| 00:37.12 | johnx | but yeah, basically tell it where it generally is so it knows what satellites to look for in this case |
| 00:37.14 | Mousey | well i'd trade it for an accellerometer |
| 00:37.18 | Mousey | or GL-ES video |
| 00:37.31 | jaska | another 128 megs of ram |
| 00:37.40 | johnx | bets against more RAM |
| 00:37.57 | Mousey | they have 16GB MicroSD now.. just make a ramdrive =) |
| 00:37.58 | glass | modularity would bring the cost up, even if it would be cool to pimp out your cyberdeck |
| 00:38.00 | ToyKeeper | More RAM would be pretty useful... as would a faster CPU. |
| 00:38.07 | Mousey | wait, more swap |
| 00:38.09 | johnx | I bet they keep the GPS too. It would be really usable if it could use the 3G connection for AGPS |
| 00:38.22 | Mousey | blah. no 3g!! |
| 00:38.23 | glass | dumping the gps would be weird |
| 00:38.34 | Mousey | i especially enjoy that it's not tied to any specific provider |
| 00:38.45 | Mousey | if i want interwebs i'll tether it |
| 00:38.48 | johnx | they're saying it won't be with the n900 either |
| 00:38.50 | Mousey | or wifi |
| 00:39.08 | Mousey | the n900 is in the rumor mill stirring up already? |
| 00:39.16 | GeneralAntilles | Not rumor |
| 00:39.22 | Mousey | URL!! |
| 00:39.23 | glass | n900's been in rumor mill since n800 |
| 00:39.28 | Mousey | glass: heh |
| 00:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | Have you been hiding under a rock? |
| 00:39.34 | johnx | the rumors are condensing though |
| 00:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/17/dr-ari-jaaksi-on-maemo-5/ |
| 00:40.22 | Mousey | GeneralAntilles: sort of, my n810's been dead since i moved in august.. i just shipped it off. and palco hasn't gotten it yet [accoriding to the check your status page], so i'm kinda worried. |
| 00:42.26 | Mousey | blah, maemo schmamemo, i wanna know the hardware specs on the upcoming tablets.. god what i wouldn't have input on -those- design teams |
| 00:42.33 | Mousey | +give |
| 00:42.36 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 |
| 00:42.38 | Mousey | +to |
| 00:43.12 | GeneralAntilles | Either 128MB RAM/256MB NAND or 256MB RAM/no NAND |
| 00:43.37 | Mousey | wow, that's like super ARM SoC ariffic |
| 00:43.52 | johnx | 3G is also a definite |
| 00:43.57 | Mousey | rats |
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| 00:44.35 | johnx | it will be available unlocked (is the general consensus) |
| 00:44.38 | Mousey | OpenGLES!! w00000t!!!! |
| 00:44.54 | Mousey | hahaha, like american cellular nazis would ever go along with that |
| 00:45.02 | johnx | Mousey, n95 |
| 00:45.03 | glass | Mousey: who says you'll have to buy from them |
| 00:45.12 | glass | Mousey: every nokia 3g phone basically is available unlocked |
| 00:45.24 | Mousey | it means i have to pick a provider! |
| 00:45.32 | johnx | or not use the 3G! |
| 00:45.32 | Mousey | i can't buy my own 3g router |
| 00:45.44 | Mousey | ok, ok, now i just sound like a libertarian crazy, sorry |
| 00:45.47 | glass | Mousey: don't use 3g then |
| 00:45.49 | johnx | they're not gonna drop wifi |
| 00:45.52 | Mousey | yay |
| 00:46.04 | johnx | they'd be idiots to drop wifi |
| 00:46.05 | glass | Mousey: you buy your home internet from someone probably too |
| 00:46.24 | Mousey | glass: only the unfiltered feed with static IPs, and no protocols.. even run my own DNS and mail server |
| 00:46.45 | glass | 3g is very very useful to use |
| 00:46.55 | glass | unless you never leave your house |
| 00:46.56 | Mousey | if you have the $$s and the 3 years to be locked in |
| 00:47.01 | glass | in case.. why buy a mobile device |
| 00:47.17 | johnx | if you already have the device you can just pay by the month |
| 00:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | already has 3g. |
| 00:47.22 | Mousey | the n810 is the single most useful laptop i've ever owned |
| 00:47.24 | glass | johnx: yeah.. |
| 00:47.40 | Mousey | see, that's the thing, if i already own the device, why do i have to keep paying? |
| 00:47.48 | glass | for the data service |
| 00:47.49 | glass | doh |
| 00:47.52 | Mousey | blah |
| 00:47.53 | johnx | Mousey, what are you talking about? |
| 00:47.56 | Mousey | build my own internet |
| 00:48.02 | johnx | ahaha |
| 00:48.02 | Mousey | waves fist |
| 00:48.05 | glass | well have fun in your own internet |
| 00:48.11 | johnx | just pull that DSL line out of the wall :) |
| 00:48.11 | Mousey | ^^ |
| 00:48.17 | GeneralAntilles | Then sell access to other suckers. :P |
| 00:48.20 | Mousey | WDS, FTW! |
| 00:48.20 | glass | i got my own at home. too bad the only warez on it is mine |
| 00:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, somebody needs to sell me about 400 miles of ethernet cable. |
| 00:48.44 | Mousey | ok ok, i get the bit about that i'm crazytalking |
| 00:48.44 | johnx | Mousey, WDS to someone who is willing to pay for inet access? |
| 00:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | Then Il'l be set. |
| 00:49.03 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, and a switch to place every ~100 meters? |
| 00:49.11 | GeneralAntilles | They'll be solar powered. |
| 00:49.20 | Mousey | fine, it'll have 3g, i just wish i could get a model without it so i don't have to pay for the engineering |
| 00:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | Put 'em in little solar hamster balls |
| 00:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | So they'll roll around |
| 00:49.33 | johnx | Mousey, that's what I said :) |
| 00:49.37 | glass | Mousey: ..you'd pay extra for to have it engineered off? |
| 00:49.52 | glass | Mousey: like i said, modularity would be cool but it's expensive |
| 00:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | What about shot off? |
| 00:49.54 | Mousey | glass: i'll be paying extra for a feature i won't use, is what i'm asaying |
| 00:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'd pay extra to see Quim take it off with a 30-06 |
| 00:50.31 | glass | Mousey: besides, you don't even know what the device will be |
| 00:50.37 | glass | Mousey: you could buy a pandora |
| 00:50.42 | Mousey | meh |
| 00:50.46 | johnx | that's what I did :) |
| 00:50.58 | glass | Mousey: which would be more or less n900.. without 3g |
| 00:51.24 | johnx | it was really convenient timing to see the specs and approximate release date of the n900 :) |
| 00:51.36 | Mousey | blah ipod ripoff |
| 00:51.37 | Mousey | no linux |
| 00:51.41 | Mousey | no keyboard? |
| 00:51.43 | glass | Mousey: http://openpandora.org/ you could be pretty happy with it |
| 00:51.50 | lcuk | liqbase 0.1.5 is up on my site, its uploading to extras now, and should end up in extras itself tomorrow if the news is good |
| 00:52.05 | lcuk | extras-devel ^ |
| 00:52.09 | glass | Mousey: pandora has kb, game controls.. opengl es |
| 00:52.16 | Mousey | oh |
| 00:52.18 | Mousey | blah |
| 00:52.22 | Mousey | it's a DS! |
| 00:52.24 | glass | so read your nerd news |
| 00:52.47 | Mousey | nah, nokia is still 10 cuter |
| 00:53.10 | johnx | that's true...the pandora looks like it was designed by some guys in a garage ... oh, wait |
| 00:53.11 | glass | you don't know that yet do you? or are there photos of n900 floating around? |
| 00:53.56 | Mousey | blah clamshell |
| 00:53.59 | GeneralAntilles | glass, yes, but we're not allowed to let you see them. :P |
| 00:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm not a fan of the clamshell. |
| 00:54.26 | glass | GeneralAntilles: i guess i could go check pro forum but then i'd have to shut up :\ |
| 00:54.27 | Mousey | glass: contemptuous much? |
| 00:54.32 | johnx | I wish it was a convertible tablet, but I'll live |
| 00:54.56 | glass | Mousey: you just seem to have the first love phase of owning something cool |
| 00:55.01 | johnx | anyways, I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts the n900 will look slicker than the pandora |
| 00:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, a brick looks slicker than the pandora. |
| 00:55.33 | glass | johnx: yeah but i'm not too trusting on nokia to put a decent pad on it :\ and buttons that would be nice for gaming |
| 00:55.38 | johnx | yes, but a brick doesn't have an omap3 :) |
| 00:55.44 | Mousey | glass: maybe, but i'm retardedly picky. the n810 is literally the best handheld on the market.. until GL-ES was established as a standard. now i have high hopes for nokia's next nit |
| 00:55.46 | Mousey | but we'll see i guess |
| 00:55.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well . . . it _could_. :D |
| 00:55.51 | Mousey | the pandora isn't it |
| 00:56.10 | johnx | glass, oh definitely not. I don't think anyone in nokia has ever even used a decent d-pad in their whole lives |
| 00:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | Somehow a bigger center button is better in their minds. |
| 00:56.40 | glass | johnx: or even had the bright idea of not wiring the pads so that they're 4way only.. |
| 00:56.44 | Mousey | will the n900 be the famous 2 steps forward 1 step back nokia usually does to us? |
| 00:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, no telling until we see it. |
| 00:57.11 | Mousey | i'm patient AND open minded =) |
| 00:57.14 | johnx | glass, I can live with that, but my n800 d-pad is already close to useless...meanwhile my nes d-pads still work great |
| 00:57.22 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of that seems to stem from the "make it appeal to idiots" plan they've got. |
| 00:57.25 | Mousey | yet i still find room in my heart for cynicism |
| 00:57.42 | GeneralAntilles | Which may very well kill the platform's appeal for me. |
| 00:57.58 | Mousey | which goes back to dual-marketing |
| 00:59.02 | Mousey | i donno. i'd buy another n810 in a heartbeat. now i'm excited to know the next generation isn't toooooo far off |
| 00:59.17 | lcuk | is happy with current gen |
| 00:59.23 | johnx | Mousey, summer 2009? not far off? |
| 00:59.26 | Mousey | googles liqbase |
| 00:59.35 | lcuk | liqbase.net |
| 00:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | looks. |
| 00:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | Still lame. . . . :P |
| 01:00.04 | lcuk | im really really sorry if i manage to fill up peoples computers |
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| 01:00.18 | lcuk | its got the photo stuff in |
| 01:00.47 | lcuk | screenshots and camera photos are saved whenever you like |
| 01:01.29 | lcuk | there is only 1 instruction on the user interface for camera: "smile and press [fullscreen]" |
| 01:02.11 | lcuk | gnite anyway :) |
| 01:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | night |
| 01:02.23 | johnx | 'night lcuk. I'll take a look at it a bit later |
| 01:02.24 | Mousey | rats |
| 01:02.27 | Mousey | its not what i thot it was |
| 01:02.28 | Mousey | nite |
| 01:02.44 | Mousey | johnx: not in cosmic terms |
| 01:02.53 | lcuk | waht did u think it was |
| 01:03.10 | Mousey | i didn't know what it was, just what i hoped it was |
| 01:03.15 | Mousey | it actually looks pretty cool tho |
| 01:03.26 | Mousey | i'm looking for xrandr basically |
| 01:03.31 | Mousey | there's been talk about it |
| 01:03.39 | Mousey | but i haven't done enough homework yet |
| 01:03.45 | johnx | http://sse2.net/rotate |
| 01:03.50 | Mousey | (mostly cuz tablet's off to the repair despot) |
| 01:03.55 | Mousey | ty |
| 01:04.00 | johnx | :) |
| 01:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | Up to date: http://outpo.st/rotate |
| 01:04.32 | johnx | ah. didn't know it moved |
| 01:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the .installs aren't quite working |
| 01:05.07 | johnx | define "not quite" |
| 01:05.08 | Mousey | votes on patch |
| 01:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager wont let us replace system packages with ones from another repo. |
| 01:05.15 | johnx | ah |
| 01:05.52 | GeneralAntilles | So, the only way to make rotation "easy" is osv-c. |
| 01:06.05 | GeneralAntilles | Which somebody still needs to get to work on since jott dropped off the face of the planet. |
| 01:06.27 | GeneralAntilles | moved the 360 into the other room to keep the noise down. |
| 01:07.06 | shapr | Fan noise? |
| 01:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | and DVD drive noise. |
| 01:07.15 | Mousey | bbfn |
| 01:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | Now I can play in one room and it can make noise in the other. :D |
| 01:07.27 | shapr | I just got a PS3, it's pretty quiet. It makes a lot of heat though. |
| 01:07.29 | johnx | heh |
| 01:07.43 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't he mean ttfn? |
| 01:07.50 | shapr | Ubuntu 7.10 isn't overwhelming on the PS3... |
| 01:07.56 | shapr | tries Yellow Dog... |
| 01:08.13 | johnx | I had a different problem with my wii: It wants to flash this god-awful bright light on me while I'm trying to sleep |
| 01:08.25 | shapr | Oh yeah, I hate blue LEDs in my bedroom. |
| 01:08.52 | johnx | as long as they're either on or off I can cope...it's when they're flashing in a totally irregular way that it messes with me |
| 01:09.09 | shapr | I don't like 'em on. |
| 01:09.35 | jaska | blue leds.. *shiver* |
| 01:09.44 | jaska | why do they stick em everywhere.. bright as hell too |
| 01:10.21 | johnx | I used to have a super bright green LED on an old case |
| 01:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 01:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | ALIEN INVASION! |
| 01:10.35 | shapr | ei mitään |
| 01:10.35 | johnx | it actually shined like a flashlight beam on the wall across the room from it |
| 01:10.36 | jaska | ive removed several from equipment |
| 01:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, the first time a message came in at night I almost shat myself. |
| 01:10.48 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully, you can turn the flashing message notification off. |
| 01:10.54 | jaska | haha |
| 01:10.56 | johnx | yeah |
| 01:11.02 | johnx | dug through the menus to find it |
| 01:11.03 | jaska | yeah.. throbbing light.. alien attack! |
| 01:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | Since Nintendo's all the way over there in Lala-land, the system updates always come in at 3 in the morning. |
| 01:11.20 | johnx | after the third time an ingame character spammed my real console |
| 01:11.26 | GeneralAntilles | jaska, you don't know the half of it. |
| 01:11.38 | shapr | My computer case has a bright blue light behind a six inch fan.. I keep meaning to take my leatherman to that evil flickering light. |
| 01:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:12.06 | GeneralAntilles | I opened up my G5 to clean out the dust bunnies a few weeks back |
| 01:12.08 | jaska | one of my power supplies has one.. need to remove it someday.. putting bluetack on them works too |
| 01:12.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's got a bright red LED on the mobo that kicks on when the baffling comes off |
| 01:12.31 | jaska | terminator |
| 01:12.35 | GeneralAntilles | Shining on the radiator it looked like the metal was rusted |
| 01:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | I thought I had sprung a leak. |
| 01:13.02 | jaska | next theyll start putting 500mW blue lasers as power indicators on things |
| 01:13.09 | shapr | haha |
| 01:13.14 | shapr | And they'll draw logos on your walls |
| 01:13.20 | jaska | and retinas |
| 01:13.21 | shapr | Ya know, I think that will really happen :-( |
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| 01:13.36 | GeneralAntilles | The light pollution from my equipment is getting worse than the light pollution outside. |
| 01:13.42 | shapr | Yeah, same here. |
| 01:13.47 | jaska | ditto |
| 01:13.55 | johnx | outside is still worse |
| 01:14.02 | johnx | streetlight right outside the window :/ |
| 01:14.25 | shapr | I have five laptops, two internet tablets, three monitors, a desktop, a digital music player, a phone... hmm |
| 01:14.34 | shapr | And I'm not telling you my address... |
| 01:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they just replaced a big floodlight on the side of the building outside my window |
| 01:15.05 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, when will you get a chance to shoot out the new one? |
| 01:15.11 | jaska | bb guns \o/ |
| 01:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I've seriously considered it. |
| 01:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | It illuminates a patch of soil behind a bunch of trees that nobody ever walks through. |
| 01:16.47 | johnx | well duh...because if they walked through it everyone would see them cause of the light |
| 01:16.49 | mgedmin | but think how much you can save on electricity costs! |
| 01:16.54 | mgedmin | you don't need internal lights |
| 01:17.00 | johnx | turn that light off and people will walk through there at all hours of the night! |
| 01:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's blissfully dark out there otherwise. |
| 01:17.39 | johnx | darkness is where terrorists hide...and ninjas :S |
| 01:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | So it'll be my new shooting gallery? :P |
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| 02:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3279545763.html |
| 02:17.27 | johnx | thank. $*$&%ing. god. |
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| 02:18.57 | GeneralAntilles | waits patiently for the Maemo/S60 software to come out. |
| 02:19.30 | johnx | and hopefully they'll keep Qt more mainline compatible than what they did to gtk |
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| 02:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, as Nokia _is_ mainline Qt now. . . . |
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| 02:24.03 | johnx | as long as it's the same on desktop linux and nit/s60 it's fine by me |
| 02:24.19 | johnx | I just hope they don't screw around enough to make people fork it... |
| 02:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | wonders who the first person will be to get acclamations and honors for starting work on osv-c. . . . |
| 02:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | ^ from me. |
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| 02:59.45 | lopz | night |
| 02:59.57 | johnx | 'night lopz |
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| 03:34.31 | moontiger | yah know... if they want us to use garage.maemo.org for hosting and svn they *really* should make sure it actually works |
| 03:34.37 | moontiger | mumbles and curses |
| 03:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it works. |
| 03:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | It just works slowly. |
| 03:37.29 | moontiger | yah ... and it times out and fails to resolve |
| 03:37.33 | moontiger | sighs |
| 03:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna harass tekojo about the server upgrades whenever I see him next. |
| 03:38.50 | johnx | turning off js makes such a huge performance difference O_o |
| 03:39.20 | johnx | somehow I didn't really understand how much of an effect it had on average pages |
| 03:39.41 | moontiger | anyways the phonehome thingy is working nicely |
| 03:39.42 | moontiger | :) |
| 03:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB, johnx? |
| 03:40.32 | johnx | midori actually |
| 03:40.40 | johnx | midori on a zaurus |
| 03:41.13 | summatusmentis | johnx: I keep forgetting you still actively use a zaurus |
| 03:41.24 | summatusmentis | needs to get rid of his |
| 03:41.25 | johnx | actively use might be a little strong |
| 03:41.29 | johnx | I actively tinker |
| 03:41.38 | summatusmentis | well, for me it was the same thing :) |
| 03:41.49 | moontiger | wow the n810 camera *really* gets noisy in low light |
| 03:41.58 | summatusmentis | moontiger: yes it does |
| 03:42.07 | johnx | yeah, i actively used it for a while...but web is a killer app now, so more tinkering and less using :/ |
| 03:42.47 | moontiger | did u guys check out the "phonehome" project ? |
| 03:43.11 | johnx | not yet, but I don't plan on having my n800 stolen... |
| 03:43.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 03:43.47 | moontiger | hehe well it works and its kinda cool ... lots more to do on it ... but if it was stolen u would have nice big mugshots of the thief |
| 03:43.49 | moontiger | thats funny |
| 03:44.09 | summatusmentis | nice big incredibly noisy mugshots |
| 03:44.10 | johnx | they'd have to figure out how to get the camera out first :) |
| 03:44.25 | moontiger | johnx, ?? |
| 03:44.35 | johnx | n800 = pop-out camera |
| 03:44.41 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh really? |
| 03:44.45 | moontiger | i have an n810 |
| 03:44.46 | johnx | yup |
| 03:44.58 | johnx | and mine is probably sealed shut with sand and pocket lint |
| 03:45.02 | moontiger | so it logs gps data and images |
| 03:45.14 | moontiger | so not much use on an n800 really :| |
| 03:45.38 | moontiger | im going to add google maps or osm plotting via the gps data too |
| 03:46.03 | johnx | it would be fun for surveiling yourself actually :) |
| 03:46.37 | moontiger | it is kinda cool ... and it makes a good route tracker (with gps) |
| 03:47.08 | moontiger | im just doing the web stuff but i think i will make the config manageable via the website and send the config updates down to the device when it needs to |
| 03:47.26 | johnx | when I had a macbook for work I had a little script that actually took a webcam pic evertime it opened. it was actually fun seeing what I looked like in the morning before I was really awake |
| 03:47.45 | moontiger | hehe i get that when i brush my teeth |
| 03:48.01 | moontiger | if only the damn camera was better |
| 03:48.31 | johnx | you brush your teeth with the n810? |
| 03:49.34 | moontiger | lol |
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| 03:50.13 | moontiger | yes ... it uses usb host mode and controls my usb toothbrush |
| 03:50.15 | moontiger | :) |
| 03:50.42 | johnx | actually, I kinda like the idea of a roomba for teeth :D |
| 03:50.56 | johnx | it could just crawl in your mouth at random times in the night |
| 03:51.11 | moontiger | hahaha ... a small robot that crawls around in ur mouth while u sleep |
| 03:51.20 | johnx | well, you'd start out sleeping... |
| 03:51.25 | moontiger | right |
| 03:51.31 | moontiger | well i used to have pet rats |
| 03:51.39 | moontiger | and one of them had a thing for licking teeth |
| 03:51.45 | johnx | O_o |
| 03:51.56 | johnx | that's ... quite unfortunate |
| 03:52.05 | moontiger | so some nights i would wake up and find it with my lower lip pulled back in its lil claws and it would be licking my teeth |
| 03:52.21 | johnx | did you not feed it enough? |
| 03:52.23 | moontiger | not the best way to wake up really |
| 03:52.33 | moontiger | oh yah it had food stashed all over |
| 03:52.41 | moontiger | it just liked it |
| 03:52.50 | moontiger | i got used to it and it didnt bother me too much |
| 03:53.01 | GeneralAntilles | That's creepy as hell. |
| 03:53.04 | moontiger | but the first night a gf came to stay it was... unfortunate |
| 03:53.30 | johnx | i can only imagine |
| 03:53.36 | moontiger | no ... no you cant |
| 03:53.39 | moontiger | :| |
| 03:53.55 | johnx | oh |
| 03:54.17 | moontiger | still i figured it was a good test to see if the gf was too germ-phobic or not |
| 03:54.25 | moontiger | she passed ... but only just |
| 03:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | I can only imagine how a rat figures out it likes licking teeth. |
| 03:57.03 | moontiger | yah i wondered about that too |
| 03:57.39 | Grackle | Yikes, I'd be afraid that I would accidentally bite its head off at night. |
| 03:57.54 | moontiger | no they are pretty smart |
| 03:57.56 | Grackle | Also, why does your rat have access to your face at odd hours? |
| 03:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | Or roll over on the poor thing and have it bite your lip off. |
| 03:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:58.11 | moontiger | they live free range in my apt |
| 03:58.21 | moontiger | live = lived |
| 03:58.23 | Grackle | I've got some mice that live free range in my walls. |
| 03:58.26 | Grackle | Uninvited. |
| 03:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | Litter trained? |
| 03:58.28 | moontiger | i dont have rats anymore |
| 03:58.32 | moontiger | very clean |
| 03:58.40 | moontiger | never made a mess anywhere but their lil house |
| 03:58.51 | Grackle | That's cool. |
| 03:58.55 | moontiger | these were so cute ... paris and texas |
| 04:00.20 | moontiger | and they would hunt the roaches at night if there were any |
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| 04:07.32 | moontiger | i was thinking (with phonehome) to allow users to mark certain pictures as public so others could see if they wanted |
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| 04:36.30 | GeneralAntilles | Lot of SDK installs seem to be failing. |
| 04:40.35 | `0660 | tell me about it |
| 04:41.51 | GAN800 | makes a note to harass marcell, too. |
| 04:42.46 | Luria | there is still an up to date vm debian/sdk image? |
| 04:45.55 | `0660 | having to use vmware to avoid cumbersome installation doesn't lower the threshold to start that much |
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| 04:54.46 | michael__ | os tjere amupme jere |
| 04:55.06 | michael__ | is there anyone here |
| 04:56.09 | johnx | I'm here |
| 04:56.11 | johnx | do I count? |
| 04:56.18 | summatusmentis | I'm here, but I'm not of any use |
| 04:56.26 | summatusmentis | Sargun: stop following me :) |
| 04:56.37 | michael__ | is this the chatroom for linux applications |
| 04:57.07 | johnx | it's the channel for talking about nokia internet tablets and their software |
| 04:57.22 | Sargun | summatusmentis, o.O? |
| 04:57.23 | Sargun | huh |
| 04:57.59 | summatusmentis | Sargun: #openafs :-P |
| 04:58.09 | michael__ | then why was dialcentral on the website |
| 04:58.13 | Sargun | Oh... |
| 04:58.15 | summatusmentis | I run into too many of the same people in the same channels |
| 04:58.19 | Sargun | heh... |
| 04:58.52 | summatusmentis | you were asking for help with setting up a cell a few days ago |
| 04:59.00 | michael__ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23357 |
| 04:59.15 | michael__ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/d/dialcentral/ |
| 04:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | michael__, what does that have to do with anything? |
| 04:59.30 | Sargun | summatusmentis, its an issue with our kernel. |
| 04:59.43 | michael__ | i saw those links. trying to find the latest software |
| 05:00.15 | summatusmentis | Sargun: :-/ |
| 05:00.28 | michael__ | i'm confused now |
| 05:00.36 | michael__ | i just saw this as a link to maemo |
| 05:00.41 | michael__ | and the website is maemo |
| 05:01.06 | michael__ | and i only saw the 0.8.1 on the one page but the other page list 0.8.2 but no download |
| 05:01.20 | michael__ | is there someone who can help me |
| 05:02.12 | johnx | michael__, just grab the one from maemo.org . The version in extras-devel is for testing. It's not stable yet |
| 05:02.22 | johnx | When it is considered stable it will be put in extras |
| 05:02.28 | johnx | ~extras |
| 05:02.28 | infobot | methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 05:03.15 | michael__ | that's what i thought but then it lists svs and i don't know where to go for that |
| 05:03.55 | johnx | svs? |
| 05:04.36 | michael__ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23357&page=3 |
| 05:04.42 | michael__ | look at the very bottom post |
| 05:05.04 | johnx | svn? |
| 05:05.15 | michael__ | (I think) svn is fully up to date now. I just pulled the two line change from extras-devel for thumbscrolling. I also fixed an issue with the contacts view. |
| 05:05.24 | johnx | right, that's not released yet |
| 05:05.26 | michael__ | that's a copy and paste from that page |
| 05:05.40 | michael__ | but if svn is updated now where do you go to get it |
| 05:05.50 | johnx | you don't unless you want to compile it yourself |
| 05:05.55 | johnx | it's not released yet |
| 05:06.02 | michael__ | i want to try it but where do i get it |
| 05:06.13 | michael__ | he doesn't list where to get it |
| 05:06.22 | johnx | probably on his garage page? |
| 05:06.32 | michael__ | which is where? |
| 05:06.40 | johnx | maybe ask google? |
| 05:07.22 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gc-dialer/ |
| 05:07.23 | johnx | honestly I don't know where it is. your guess is as good as mine |
| 05:07.58 | johnx | michael__, do you have scratchbox installed to compile it? |
| 05:08.07 | michael__ | ok. i thought someone would know here |
| 05:08.19 | johnx | michael__, GeneralAntilles just gave you a link |
| 05:08.34 | michael__ | i went to that page and it's a real old version 0.5 |
| 05:08.45 | johnx | look at the scm repository link at the bottom |
| 05:08.54 | johnx | michael__, do you know how to compile programs? |
| 05:09.07 | michael__ | oh. i saw on the bottom |
| 05:09.32 | michael__ | clicked and page not found |
| 05:09.48 | johnx | uhm, it works here |
| 05:10.05 | johnx | "scm repository" at the bottom of the page |
| 05:10.40 | michael__ | isn't there a way to automatically compile in linux |
| 05:11.00 | johnx | not really, no |
| 05:11.05 | michael__ | and i don't know anything about the .py files |
| 05:11.09 | johnx | definitely not in this case |
| 05:11.22 | johnx | right, that's my point. Just wait until someone compiles 0.8.2 and releases it |
| 05:12.48 | michael__ | ok i'll wait. |
| 05:13.27 | johnx | if you want to learn how to compile things for maemo, install the SDK (software development kit) |
| 05:13.29 | johnx | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 05:13.51 | johnx | ~sdk |
| 05:13.52 | infobot | Software Development Kit |
| 05:14.11 | johnx | not helpful infobot :P |
| 05:14.27 | summatusmentis | 'night all |
| 05:14.34 | johnx | 'night summatusmentis |
| 05:14.45 | GAN800 | ~skd-41 is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 05:14.46 | infobot | okay, GAN800 |
| 05:14.59 | GAN800 | is so glad we don't have a java client. |
| 05:15.08 | summatusmentis | oh, fyi johnx. I may have mentioned this before, if you need a zaurus 3200, I've got one for sale :-P |
| 05:15.08 | johnx | so many ~'s to remember O_o |
| 05:15.32 | johnx | summatusmentis, I'll think about it, but don't save it for me |
| 05:15.34 | GAN800 | Bind some more so you have bigger targets to hit. ;) |
| 05:15.59 | summatusmentis | johnx: kk, bed for real this time :) |
| 05:16.07 | GAN800 | still misses _Monkey every so often. |
| 05:16.57 | johnx | the SDK install.txt always scares people off ... |
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| 06:39.33 | Stskeeps | johnx: made a neat trick yesterday.. debian armel running in qemu, and distccing to a x86 with a arm cross compiler chain |
| 06:40.01 | johnx | interesting, was it hard to get distcc setup? |
| 06:41.24 | Stskeeps | well took some tinkering, but it ended up being ln -s 'ing all arm-none-linux-gnueabi-X to some_path/X and remembering ln'ing cc to gcc.. and then simply PATH=/some_path:$PATH distccd --daemon -a 0.0.0.0/09 |
| 06:41.28 | Stskeeps | -9 |
| 06:41.39 | Stskeeps | it requires same gcc version on both though |
| 06:41.48 | Stskeeps | as in, 4.3.2 and 4.3.2 |
| 06:42.04 | johnx | well that's pretty awesome |
| 06:42.18 | johnx | was it hard to get dpkg-buildpackage to pickup distcc? |
| 06:42.32 | Stskeeps | CC=distcc dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 06:42.39 | johnx | nice |
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| 06:43.13 | johnx | it's too bad my old 5500 zaurus can't run eabi binaries, otherwise I'd run builds on that distcc'ed to my desktop :/ |
| 06:43.24 | Stskeeps | for "joe" package, dpkg-buildpackage was 4m29s with distcc, 9m21s without |
| 06:43.53 | johnx | for something so small a big part of that was probably configure and linking and packaging as opposed to CC time |
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| 06:44.43 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 06:44.49 | solmumaha | johnx: still finding use for collie? :) |
| 06:44.56 | Stskeeps | configure+linking was done in emu, compiling on distcc |
| 06:44.59 | johnx | solmumaha, not so much lately :/ |
| 06:45.18 | gomiam | I guess this question has been asked time and time again (but I can't find an answer on Google, so...): is there a way to use TKIP on a N800 (OS2008)? |
| 06:45.35 | johnx | gomiam, as in wpa-psk? |
| 06:46.12 | Stskeeps | gomiam: i think that's supported honestly |
| 06:47.12 | gomiam | johnx: no, it's an authenticated network |
| 06:47.42 | gomiam | Stskeeps: I know it seems to be supported on WPA2 |
| 06:47.54 | gomiam | but this network is supposed to be just WPA |
| 06:49.08 | gomiam | on Windows a 802.1x client called SecureW2 is installed, and on Linux it is configured as a WPA-EAP network with CCMP TKIP |
| 06:49.33 | gomiam | oh, and the EAP uses TTLS. |
| 06:50.00 | gomiam | I have found a couple of tutorials on setting up "eduroam" (the interuniversity wifi network) |
| 06:50.26 | Stskeeps | oh, that's a EAP network, that's a different thing than traditional WPA :P |
| 06:50.34 | gomiam | and each one recommends different procedures... which don't work for me |
| 06:50.37 | gomiam | Stskeeps: :P:P |
| 06:50.46 | gomiam | is it WPA2 then? |
| 06:51.22 | gomiam | I'm reading a working Linux configuration file and it has "proto=WPA" instead of "proto=RSN", which would be used on WPA2 |
| 06:51.24 | johnx | when most home and small-office users talk about wpa and wpa2 they're talking about wpa-psk and wpa2-psk |
| 06:51.50 | Stskeeps | gomiam: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/index.php/Eduroam , scroll down to "n810 tablet" |
| 06:51.50 | johnx | and I believe tkip is used as the encryption method behind wpa-psk (not positive) |
| 06:51.52 | gomiam | johnx: ok, ok. I didn't make that clear enough =:-) |
| 06:52.08 | gomiam | Stskeeps: tried that already, failed |
| 06:52.12 | johnx | and we also came into the conversation with our own assumptions :) |
| 06:52.21 | Stskeeps | gomiam: yeah, okay, look into what cert your uni has |
| 06:52.55 | gomiam | mmm... I'll try that angle. Calling network people... XD |
| 06:53.04 | Stskeeps | or look in your securew2 thing |
| 06:53.04 | gomiam | unavailable |
| 06:53.23 | gomiam | Stskeeps: SecureW2 just provides CCMP/TKIP for Windows. |
| 06:53.41 | Stskeeps | mmk |
| 06:54.00 | Stskeeps | and you followed the http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/index.php/Eduroam#Setting_up_Eduroam steps too? |
| 06:54.03 | gomiam | anyway, I guess I'll have to hunt down another operator that supposedly was able to connect his N770 to the network |
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| 06:54.24 | gomiam | Stskeeps: yup, I even tried to do it the "wrong" way just in case, to no avail. |
| 06:54.26 | Stskeeps | mk |
| 06:55.01 | Stskeeps | dunno - we (thank god) have multiple edu networks, eduroam, wifi portal, vpn.. |
| 06:55.40 | gomiam | oh, I have an open university wifi too (well, through a portal, but you get my meaning). But it is too restricted |
| 06:55.58 | gomiam | I can't chat from it, and I'm too lazy to set a VPN over ssh XD |
| 06:56.42 | pyhimys | gomian: screen in another machine |
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| 06:56.59 | Stskeeps | gomiam: ssh -D is a good tool |
| 06:57.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:58.10 | gomiam | mmm... it might work. But I would rather be able to use eduroam. |
| 06:58.20 | gomiam | never mind, I'll keep trying later XD |
| 06:59.29 | jin | hi all , can i use object c in scratchbox? |
| 06:59.50 | jin | i can't install the gunstep |
| 07:01.16 | johnx | jin, I know the debian guys got gobjc running on armel, and they appear to have a gnustep build but it was somewhat flakey on armel last time I tried it |
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| 07:04.56 | jin | hi johnx , do you means that you can install gnustep in scratchbox but it's unstable? |
| 07:05.13 | johnx | I installed it on an n800 running debian |
| 07:05.21 | johnx | I haven't tried to install it in scratchbox |
| 07:06.18 | johnx | the big thing is I don't know if anyone has compiled a cross-compiling version of gobjc |
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| 07:07.55 | CityLights | hi all |
| 07:08.32 | CityLights | can anyone here compile me something for the maemo enviroment? |
| 07:08.51 | CityLights | I need noip2.c to be build for maemo |
| 07:09.18 | mgedmin | which version? |
| 07:09.18 | ptman | CityLights: just download a maemo development virtual machine |
| 07:09.23 | mgedmin | chinook, diablo, or what? |
| 07:09.27 | CityLights | its a dns client and if free at http://www.no-ip.com/support/guides/update_clients/setting_up_linux_update_client.html |
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| 07:09.38 | CityLights | diablo pls |
| 07:10.05 | CityLights | as this is a single .c file |
| 07:10.10 | ptman | CityLights: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 07:10.19 | CityLights | even the makeFile is simple |
| 07:10.57 | CityLights | this allow me to get a dns name to alows point to my nokia |
| 07:11.07 | mgedmin | that could be useful, when your screen breaks... |
| 07:11.11 | mgedmin | unless you're behind NAT |
| 07:11.13 | johnx | Stskeeps, ok, tried out illume: looks nice except the launcher idles at ~90% CPU usage |
| 07:11.43 | melmoth | CityLights: i can give it a try. hold on |
| 07:11.50 | CityLights | thanks |
| 07:13.17 | mgedmin | CityLights: here you are |
| 07:13.23 | CityLights | wii |
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| 07:14.40 | mgedmin | or, if dcc send doesn't work for you, http://mg.pov.lt/noip2-maemo-diablo |
| 07:15.00 | CityLights | mgedmin: thanks |
| 07:15.31 | CityLights | got to go |
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| 07:17.59 | melmoth | heuu, slight problem with my httpd server; hold on |
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| 07:21.22 | Stskeeps | johnx: always a good power saver.. |
| 07:21.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: and i got debian going on my works beagleboard now :) |
| 07:22.02 | johnx | good deal |
| 07:22.52 | Stskeeps | and i might have navigated myself into a position where i get wage if i do changes to deblet (and is able to release it) needed for performance/power saving etc for my work platforms/prototyping :) |
| 07:23.00 | Stskeeps | so there might appear some (C) my uni some places |
| 07:23.19 | Stskeeps | so that was a decent day yesterday |
| 07:23.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:23.26 | johnx | that's great! |
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| 07:23.48 | johnx | it'll still be open source, right? or will your Uni make it shareware? |
| 07:23.54 | Stskeeps | open source |
| 07:24.07 | Stskeeps | they have no interest in it beyond having a platform to build prototypes upon |
| 07:24.49 | Stskeeps | ok, off to work |
| 07:24.54 | johnx | alright |
| 07:24.59 | johnx | congratulations :) |
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| 07:44.05 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9879/screenshot08sj2.png :p |
| 07:44.07 | aquatix | good morning all |
| 07:44.38 | qwerty12_N800 | hey aquatix |
| 07:45.52 | RST38h | qwerty <-- evil |
| 07:46.18 | RST38h | destroying British myths in front of our eyes |
| 07:46.53 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, nokia put the message there, i just used my creative skills on it :p |
| 07:46.59 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, that's pretty awesome |
| 07:47.18 | Sargun | hehe |
| 07:47.33 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: That is one messed up desktop ;) |
| 07:47.45 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: lol |
| 07:47.58 | RST38h | qwerty: Does making screen black save energy though? =) |
| 07:48.15 | qwerty12_N800 | X-Fade, it's usually cleaner but i wanted to get the rss reader in :p |
| 07:48.26 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, easier on my eyes :p |
| 07:48.36 | RST38h | ah 8) |
| 07:49.47 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, yeah :). that's the nice thing about nokia using locales even with closed source stuff |
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| 08:00.53 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, would you do me a favour please :$ could you try to break liqbase for me (0.1.5) if you cant im gonna promote it later |
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| 08:01.20 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, lol, i can try |
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| 08:01.34 | lcuk | and you can find the new easter egg :) |
| 08:02.59 | qwerty12_N800 | yum... easter egg's :) |
| 08:03.10 | aquatix | !coffee |
| 08:03.53 | qwerty12_N800 | povbot's boring compared to infobot |
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| 08:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo, what's the word on the servers? |
| 08:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | Things seem slower than ever lately. |
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| 08:12.55 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, can i ask that you replace "maemo-select-menu-location liqbase.desktop" in the postinst with: http://slexy.org/view/s2qEhC4Xie . that makes it so that when you upgrade, it doesn't ask you where to put it in the menu. if this is a 1st time install, the menu location dialog will show up like normal |
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| 08:13.56 | GAN800 | qwerty12, mind running a patch campaign with that? ;) |
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| 08:16.21 | Stskeeps | yeah, that'd be a killer bug report on bugzilla.. :> |
| 08:16.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, I don't have the time to find packages that do that :p |
| 08:17.35 | qwerty12_N800 | I know yerga asked on iTT for the canola guys to do that but got no response. |
| 08:17.49 | GAN800 | qwerty12, put together a generic patch and I'll slap on an email template we can fire off to maintainers as we note them? |
| 08:20.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Don't know if you can do generic patches (thinking about diff) but the general rule is to replace any "maemo-select-menu-location whatever.desktop" with the stuff on that slexy link |
| 08:20.32 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ in the postinst |
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| 08:21.59 | GAN800 | ponders a 'Stock maintainer harasment emails' wiki page. |
| 08:25.48 | johnx | <3 aptitude |
| 08:26.33 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:26.43 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, +1. shame cwidgets goes all weird in scratchbox/ |
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| 08:34.45 | woglinde | hi |
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| 08:45.27 | rkabir | anyone have any ideas on how to reduce the latency when using a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 08:46.15 | johnx | turn off word prediction |
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| 08:49.06 | Guest9724_102 | hi |
| 08:59.58 | RST38h | moo, johnx, jaffa |
| 09:00.12 | RST38h | rkabir: There is a bug filed for that. Go and confirm it |
| 09:00.39 | RST38h | johnx: word prediction does slow things a bit but keyboards are dead slow even if you turn it off. usb keyboards too |
| 09:00.45 | rkabir | RST38h: thanks, i'll take a look |
| 09:00.53 | rkabir | yeah, i don't see that problem on my nokia phone |
| 09:00.55 | rkabir | just on the tablet |
| 09:01.15 | RST38h | Go raise hell: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3359 |
| 09:01.54 | RST38h | Tell them your kbd model, etc - so that they do not blame it on a particular keyboard make |
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| 09:03.52 | aquatix | ooh |
| 09:04.13 | aquatix | adds his issue with his iGo bt keyboard |
| 09:05.20 | RST38h | Don't be shy, complain |
| 09:05.49 | RST38h | Because right now it looks like this bug is ignored (and it really prevents keyboard usage, at least for me) |
| 09:07.16 | aquatix | hm, except that i have more issues with chars being laggy and repeated |
| 09:07.39 | RST38h | are you losing chars as well? |
| 09:08.18 | RST38h | how about this one: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3358 ? |
| 09:11.25 | aquatix | there |
| 09:11.34 | aquatix | posted my own piece |
| 09:12.52 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, ok will do, thanks |
| 09:13.16 | qwerty12_N800 | cool, thanks |
| 09:13.31 | lcuk | sorry for delayed reactions.. |
| 09:13.56 | lcuk | bet u never found the new egg though |
| 09:14.35 | qwerty12_N800 | nope :p |
| 09:15.08 | qwerty12_N800 | will continue to search :p |
| 09:15.27 | lcuk | well its the most requested thing in liqbase to date :P |
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| 09:16.14 | lcuk | its clunky but it works, anyway im off for a bit |
| 09:16.28 | qwerty12_N800 | better read the thread because i have no idea what it is :p |
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| 09:26.05 | voodoo | anyone in here use twitter and has been able to get teh os2008 rss reader to accept the rss feed from your twitter subscriptions? |
| 09:26.32 | voodoo | i can add individual channels one at a time but thats a major pain |
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| 09:47.25 | RST38h | Ah, the leave-charger-plugged-in wars on iTT! |
| 09:47.38 | RST38h | loves those |
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| 09:54.06 | macoute | a finnish magazine published an article today about fennec |
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| 09:54.25 | macoute | has it improved from the first beta? |
| 09:54.34 | macoute | (or alpha, whatever was it) |
| 09:55.25 | X-Fade | macoute: It was pre-alpha before, alpha now ;) |
| 09:56.22 | X-Fade | It works so you can get the idea, but performance is still something that needs to be worked on. (I'm very kind there ;) |
| 09:57.17 | yacoob | do standard expansions work in fennec? |
| 09:57.28 | yacoob | that would be only thing that would appeal to me - working gears on tablet |
| 09:57.47 | X-Fade | yacoob: They have been turned off for now. |
| 09:57.59 | X-Fade | yacoob: But I think they plan to enable them later. |
| 09:59.44 | yacoob | oh well. And the installation footprint was, what, 25M? |
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| 10:11.12 | macoute | X-Fade: but have they fixed the horrible UI? :) |
| 10:13.35 | Stskeeps | i vote for bundyo's tear :P |
| 10:13.52 | Stskeeps | or what his nick was again |
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| 10:14.07 | qwerty12_N800 | bundyo like you said :p |
| 10:15.06 | qwerty12_N800 | well, it has the advantage of being able to let you use the hildon keyboard :p |
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| 10:17.33 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, btw, in debian, is it recommmended or suggested packages that are now going to be installed by default due to apt changes? |
| 10:17.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: recommended |
| 10:17.44 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 10:17.46 | Stskeeps | i hate that really |
| 10:17.48 | qwerty12_N800 | ok, thanks |
| 10:17.54 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, same here :/ |
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| 10:20.18 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i found out i could distcc from a tablet / qemu armel to a x86 codesourcery crosscompiler |
| 10:20.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and it would actually work |
| 10:20.42 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: speeds up builds by 50-60% without scratchbox insanity |
| 10:20.46 | qwerty12_N800 | hah, wicked |
| 10:21.41 | Stskeeps | and this was just on a small package (joe) |
| 10:22.55 | Stskeeps | it just requires gccs are same version obviously |
| 10:22.59 | qwerty12_N800 | is this how you plan to compile optimised deblet packages? |
| 10:23.34 | Stskeeps | two beagleboards and a distcc, yeah |
| 10:23.53 | qwerty12_N800 | answers that one with a thunk as he realises the obvious answer is yes |
| 10:23.55 | lcuk | Stskeeps, now THAT sounds like an improvement, can you get distcc building packages for you as well/ |
| 10:23.58 | lcuk | and making brews? |
| 10:24.05 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, nice |
| 10:24.25 | Stskeeps | lcuk: CC=distcc dpkg-buildpackage was what i tested |
| 10:24.35 | Stskeeps | (on debian, not maemo.) |
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| 10:24.44 | lcuk | poo! |
| 10:24.56 | Stskeeps | since dpkg-buildpackage is awkward on maemo |
| 10:25.04 | lcuk | need to try in maemo lol |
| 10:25.29 | Stskeeps | if you get gcc and same codesourcery toolchain matching gcc version |
| 10:25.36 | Stskeeps | then you can cc using distcc probably |
| 10:25.37 | lcuk | yeah i know that one, its "simpler" to commit svn move into vmware grab and package and reup ;) |
| 10:26.06 | Stskeeps | so you can code on tablet, test, and instead of gcc run distcc |
| 10:26.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:26.14 | qwerty12_N800 | would say using linux w/out the vm would be simpler :p |
| 10:26.38 | lcuk | well im starting to want to have liqbase available on multiple sources at the same time |
| 10:27.05 | Stskeeps | right, got a meeting coming up |
| 10:27.06 | Stskeeps | bbl |
| 10:27.07 | lcuk | is outgrowing his little tablet egg |
| 10:27.12 | lcuk | cya later |
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| 10:38.22 | lcuk | is anyone considering this eee touchscreen desktop model? i think it would made the perfect compliment to the tablet |
| 10:40.37 | lardman | morning |
| 10:43.44 | lcuk | hey lardman |
| 10:43.50 | lardman | hi lcuk |
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| 10:45.36 | lcuk | lardman, what do you think of these touchy desktops |
| 10:45.48 | lcuk | (eee desktop mainly) |
| 10:45.58 | lardman | never used one |
| 10:46.21 | lcuk | heh, thats cos they arent out yet :P but basically its an all in one monitor+comp |
| 10:46.32 | lardman | url? |
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| 10:46.45 | aquatix | lcuk: the Eee box? |
| 10:46.49 | aquatix | looks very nice |
| 10:46.52 | lcuk | looks quite sweet actually, http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/15/touchscree_eee_advance_orders/ |
| 10:47.03 | aquatix | oh wow |
| 10:47.45 | aquatix | that's quite interesting too |
| 10:47.56 | lardman | looks like QT/E |
| 10:48.04 | lcuk | yeah it is - im thinking a really nice compliment for the tablet |
| 10:48.12 | lardman | the desktop model? |
| 10:48.27 | lcuk | something to get round my hangups about a desktop and also something to run libqase on ;) |
| 10:48.29 | lcuk | yeah |
| 10:48.48 | lardman | I'm confused, you like the hardware or the way the desktop is arranged? |
| 10:48.50 | lardman | :S |
| 10:49.44 | lcuk | heh, the hardware - a nice preconfigured linux desktop machine with touchscreen integrated without having to hack or screw around |
| 10:49.58 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 10:50.04 | lardman | I don't like machines without a keyboard |
| 10:50.18 | lcuk | i could have that replacing my main desktop quite easily - i have a usb keyboard :) |
| 10:50.30 | lcuk | and a mouse ;) |
| 10:50.44 | lardman | lol, I don't think it would replace my dual core with oodles of RAM |
| 10:51.02 | Veggen | hmm. actually could be interesting, those. |
| 10:51.28 | MangoFusion | its not meant to replace your uber pc |
| 10:51.30 | lcuk | heh, i build on my tablet, i think a casio watch with a fresnel lens will have more power :P |
| 10:51.56 | lcuk | anything running native linux has to be better for me than vmware |
| 10:51.58 | melmoth | mais ton petit frere, il a un shell sur la babasse. et lauren, je le connais pas assez pour ca. |
| 10:52.01 | melmoth | oups |
| 10:52.04 | Veggen | I'll be involved in an event that'll have some info-kiosks around, next summer. |
| 10:52.06 | lcuk | and the touchscreen is just the icing really |
| 10:53.16 | lcuk | yeah, i think thats gonna be where liqbase expands into :) i really like the idea of a big daddy master version which does more stuff |
| 10:53.57 | lcuk | lardman, the camera flash works by the way :) its quite a nice effect |
| 10:54.11 | lardman | cool |
| 10:54.26 | lardman | I'll steal that code for maemo-barcode |
| 10:54.28 | lardman | :) |
| 10:54.30 | lcuk | obviously just for show ;) |
| 10:54.51 | lcuk | barcode wont need any flash though will it - that just scans all the time? |
| 10:55.08 | lardman | might be useful to get more light on the barcode |
| 10:55.17 | lcuk | by the way, 320*240*15fps works really nicely - i upped from the older 8fps and its nice and smooth still |
| 10:55.19 | lardman | at least until we get a camera which faces the right way |
| 10:55.25 | lcuk | ahhh no, it wont work that way will it? |
| 10:55.36 | lcuk | certainly not in the way ive made it so far |
| 10:55.59 | lcuk | i have already grabbed the image before the flash appears |
| 10:56.14 | lardman | ok |
| 10:57.04 | lcuk | it could work though actually, the gstreamer code you are working from has no frontend by default, you could simply whiteout the screen anytime |
| 10:57.26 | lardman | how long does the gstreamer pipeline take to startup? |
| 10:57.53 | lcuk | restarts are ~5-10 seconds |
| 10:58.01 | lcuk | or thats how it feels |
| 10:58.40 | lardman | The barcode scanning is only a part of the barcode app, I'd prefer to be able to shut the pipeline down (and save power) while doing database accesses or internet lookups |
| 10:59.56 | lcuk | yeah, thats why i was suggesting just have it as an added extra on the liqbase camera, it can be opened for any purpose and if you happen to show it a barcode it will react |
| 11:01.17 | lardman | well you're welcome to use it, I really want something specifically focused on the barcode data though |
| 11:01.20 | lcuk | i wonder how much battery juice it draws by being activated constantly |
| 11:01.32 | lcuk | yeah i know |
| 11:05.27 | lcuk | lardman, ill do some testing later and see if i can get some metrics on battery life with and without the camera enabled and stuff |
| 11:05.39 | lcuk | and see if just pausing the stream is worthwhile |
| 11:05.55 | lardman | cool |
| 11:06.15 | lcuk | i dunno HOW im gonna test it lol, but i will |
| 11:06.41 | lcuk | infact, yeah i do - leave 2 versions of liqbase running on both machines overnight - logging every minute, one with a live camera, another with a paused camera |
| 11:06.46 | lcuk | ill find out when the machine died |
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| 11:15.54 | Stskeeps | stretches |
| 11:18.24 | yacoob | that would explain your double 'e' |
| 11:18.56 | aquatix | teehee |
| 11:19.10 | yacoob | aquatix, don't overdo it! |
| 11:20.52 | aquatix | sorry |
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| 11:40.41 | |zeus| | morning |
| 11:40.45 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 11:40.59 | |zeus| | which video format should i use to watch video on n810? |
| 11:41.41 | Stskeeps | consider http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/tablet-encode/ maybe |
| 11:41.48 | |zeus| | i just downloaded m4v movie for iphone/htc/.. - it plays too slow Ð( |
| 11:42.14 | lcuk | it shouldnt really ? what res is it |
| 11:43.56 | lcuk | anyone have any idea why some of the wiki pages come up 100% blank and others work |
| 11:44.06 | lcuk | ive got 2 tabs open one works and the other doesnt |
| 11:44.50 | aquatix | nice: http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=14486 |
| 11:45.11 | |zeus| | lcuk: 480x270 |
| 11:46.21 | solmumaha | aquatix: nice, if it worked properly |
| 11:46.35 | aquatix | didn't try it yet |
| 11:46.39 | solmumaha | but i'm sure it gets better |
| 11:46.41 | Stskeeps | it works "decently" |
| 11:46.46 | Stskeeps | not perfect, but decently |
| 11:46.53 | solmumaha | not with mac or ps3 |
| 11:47.12 | |zeus| | hm. maybe problem in qtime/mov file format? |
| 11:47.14 | solmumaha | and the need to connect from the other end is annoying |
| 11:47.14 | Stskeeps | solmumaha: true |
| 11:47.24 | aquatix | ah |
| 11:47.36 | Stskeeps | solmumaha: then again it's a HID device.. |
| 11:47.37 | aquatix | well, i might try it on my linux machine |
| 11:47.38 | lcuk | bluemaemo is a nice idea, its been ported from some other system hasnt it? |
| 11:47.48 | Stskeeps | yeah, from openmoko |
| 11:48.24 | hrw | morning |
| 11:48.24 | lcuk | solmumaha, connecting a remote to any system needs to link from both ends doesnt it |
| 11:48.55 | lcuk | hiya hrw |
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| 11:50.51 | lcuk | i wonder what it would take for the bluemaemo remote to be a 2 way thing - kinda like the optimus maximus keyyboard thing |
| 11:50.58 | lcuk | allow the pc to upload the glyphds and keys |
| 11:51.40 | solmumaha | lcuk: maybe an app on host that connects the host to client |
| 11:51.51 | solmumaha | i find it pretty useless without that feature |
| 11:52.27 | lcuk | well i use a remote control daemon on my desktop - it runs continuously and waits for commands |
| 11:52.51 | lcuk | ive just got a simple thing, but i set it up once and its running all the time - i can set the volume of my mplayer from anywhere in the world |
| 11:52.55 | lcuk | and REALLY annoy tracy |
| 11:53.24 | qwerty12_N800 | is that advertised as a feature? :p |
| 11:53.32 | lcuk | thats not in liqbase :) |
| 11:53.47 | solmumaha | i used to have a way to wake up my wife from upstairs remotely |
| 11:54.04 | lcuk | it was the most required application i had when i got my nokia: my old IR remote died on the computer so i needed something |
| 11:54.11 | solmumaha | it was useful many times, but i managed to scare myself with that too |
| 11:54.18 | lcuk | its wrote in python and connects to a visual basic daemon (yes, shoot me now) |
| 11:54.31 | solmumaha | stop cursing |
| 11:54.40 | aquatix | shoots lcuk |
| 11:54.52 | aquatix | but `daemon' here is apt ;) |
| 11:55.14 | qwerty12_N800 | would say service if talking 'bout windows :p |
| 11:55.31 | aquatix | yeah |
| 11:55.50 | aquatix | but `daemon' in the evil, devil way is quite an apt description for something VB |
| 11:56.24 | lcuk | but a service does not belay its true nature - services in windows encapsulate much more than network connections |
| 11:56.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Nothing can beat how gromit used to wake up wallace in the wrong trousers |
| 11:56.48 | lcuk | wrote a service for windows once |
| 11:59.00 | liri | has anyone experimented video calls through fring/gizmo5? |
| 11:59.22 | lcuk | back later |
| 12:00.50 | qwerty12_N800 | "What people type on a computer keyboard can be easily intercepted remotely, security researchers show." - This is news now? |
| 12:01.23 | Stskeeps | yeah, why bother dealing with setting up bluetooth when you can just power a usb keyboard and intercept it remotely ;) |
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| 12:03.42 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 12:09.14 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: it's news, as it's made easy now |
| 12:10.32 | qwerty12_N800 | didn't find the other methods of doing it so hard :) |
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| 12:27.40 | hrw | someone familiar with buildbot configs? |
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| 12:31.29 | ToyKeeper | Hmm, weird. |
| 12:31.41 | ToyKeeper | With hildon-input-method disabled, the n810 keyboard's Fn key doesn't work. |
| 12:32.02 | ToyKeeper | xmodmap lists no modifier for it, and when I try to add one, nothing seems to happen. |
| 12:32.43 | ToyKeeper | Normally, it shows Mod5 = ISO_Level3_Shift |
| 12:33.15 | ToyKeeper | I guess for now I'll just deal with using ~5% of RAM in order to make a single key work. :) |
| 12:35.20 | ToyKeeper | Hmm, looks more like 8% of RAM... |
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| 12:56.30 | lopz | hi |
| 12:56.54 | smoe | hello again. i have a pc-connectivity question. i followed the howto on http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking but i don't understand why its necessary to umount the mmc-devices... i don't think they are related to usb. at least i could mount my internal memory back using the fstab entry... while connected to the device via ssh |
| 12:57.19 | smoe | device is a nokia n810 |
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| 13:44.32 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: Can you try to upload a package to Extras that has a section like: user/other/test ? |
| 13:44.47 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: So we can see if something breaks in the chain :) |
| 13:45.23 | X-Fade | Or anybody else who can upload to extras-devel of course ;) |
| 13:45.30 | qwerty12_N800 | X-Fade, Sorry, but I probably wont be on my computer today for a long while :( |
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| 13:45.57 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: No worries, I'll see if I can find another tester. |
| 13:46.34 | X-Fade | It would be nice to see if this subcategories thing breaks our repository tools. If it doesn't, then we only need to change the application manager. |
| 13:46.52 | Jaffa | X-Fade: "only" ;-) |
| 13:47.08 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, at least we have a battle at one front then ;) |
| 13:47.50 | lardman | So we're going with subcats are we? |
| 13:47.52 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It seems the discussion died a bit, so we need some more fuel :) |
| 13:48.07 | X-Fade | lardman: Let's call it experimental exploration ;) |
| 13:48.17 | lardman | X-Fade: it's because Jaffa and I put our points across so well ;) |
| 13:48.39 | X-Fade | I still think we should go: Short-term -> add a few sane categories, Fremantle -> aim for subcategories. |
| 13:49.06 | lardman | definitely, and stick non-conformant packages in the "dunces" section or similar |
| 13:49.40 | X-Fade | other ;) |
| 13:49.58 | X-Fade | And let Khertan translate that as 'Poubelle' ;) |
| 13:50.14 | lardman | yes, seems fair |
| 13:50.19 | lardman | :) |
| 13:50.57 | X-Fade | Btw, I hacked on the Extras Assistant today. I added uploading to chinook and diablo in one go. |
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| 13:51.15 | X-Fade | Will blog about it soonish. (I hope) |
| 13:51.20 | qwerty12_N800 | Nice one :) |
| 13:51.37 | X-Fade | And the requirement to sign packages has been dropped. |
| 13:51.43 | lcuk | :O |
| 13:51.56 | X-Fade | So that should make things easier. |
| 13:52.02 | qwerty12_N800 | *wide smile* |
| 13:52.56 | lcuk | x-fade :) makes my process smoother anyway, thumbs up from me |
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| 13:53.44 | X-Fade | Now let's hope I didn't break it ;) |
| 13:53.54 | X-Fade | Worksforme[tm] ;) |
| 13:57.05 | lardman | multitasking my arse |
| 13:57.09 | lardman | bloody WinXP |
| 13:57.44 | lardman | ~lart WinXP for rubbish multitasking |
| 13:57.45 | infobot | gives WinXP a good seeing to for rubbish multitasking |
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| 14:02.24 | lcuk | lardman, windows DOES multitask well, it runs its internal things nicely, a virus checker, a spyware checker, a network checker a keyboard checker and a piracy checker. when its doing all that at once its for the common good that your program has to wait |
| 14:03.01 | lardman | lcuk: it;s the fact that my mouse pointer movements and any task switches have to wait if a program is using lots of cpu that gets me |
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| 14:21.46 | kaie | n810 the internal memory card is fixed, right? (can not be changed) |
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| 14:22.06 | summatusmentis | kaie: yes |
| 14:22.13 | kaie | thanks |
| 14:22.36 | summatusmentis | kaie: sure thing, there is a microsd slot though |
| 14:23.13 | kaie | right, and it appears the limit is 8gb, I haven't seen any larger microsd cards. and minisd seems pretty rare these days |
| 14:23.19 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: hey man, you remember when we talked about the beagle board? |
| 14:23.27 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: and you gave me the name of some kind of other stick |
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| 14:24.52 | johnx | crashanddie, gumstix? overo? |
| 14:29.37 | summatusmentis | kaie: a 16gb is available, or should be shortly, and afaik the limit is not 8gb |
| 14:30.54 | kaie | summatusmentis, the 16 gb microsd cards were announced long ago, but I haven't seen anything for sale |
| 14:33.13 | kaie | summatusmentis, whoops, ebay now has 16 gb for sale, they didn't a couple of weeks ago |
| 14:33.39 | summatusmentis | kaie: I was pretty sure they'd just come out |
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| 14:40.03 | kaie | likes housetier's nick |
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| 14:41.24 | housetier | ^_^ |
| 14:42.37 | housetier | speaking of which: I am famous now, peter schneider mentions my name in an interview |
| 14:42.43 | housetier | lemme find it on youtube |
| 14:42.53 | crashanddie | johnx: thanks :) |
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| 14:44.36 | housetier | kaie, here it is http://www.youtube.com/?v=pR95TYHDJFE (click on the high quality link) |
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| 15:01.08 | t_s_o | ah, the joys of setting up a new phone |
| 15:02.59 | aquatix | t_s_o: new toy? |
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| 15:04.24 | qwerty12 | could do with another phone. It's old now but I'm quite liking the W580 |
| 15:04.40 | RST38h | "creature of terrible earnestness overmatched by the situation hes in" |
| 15:04.44 | RST38h | Guess who? |
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| 15:13.44 | slonopotamus | from someone's cv: hobby - wife... |
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| 15:14.48 | lardman | his own? |
| 15:15.04 | slonopotamus | yep |
| 15:15.10 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hi? |
| 15:15.57 | RST38h | is that specifically stated? |
| 15:16.45 | glass | maybe he's building himself one |
| 15:16.52 | lardman | or pretending to be one |
| 15:17.01 | lardman | training perhaps |
| 15:19.28 | slonopotamus | why deblet unloads initfs wifi module and loads its own? |
| 15:20.00 | johnx | lardman, a wife in his spare time? or maybe apprenticing? |
| 15:20.13 | johnx | slonopotamus, because the deblet wifi module is better |
| 15:20.24 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 15:20.44 | slonopotamus | johnx, that explains a lot |
| 15:20.48 | johnx | deblet's wifi module supports Linux WEXT extensions |
| 15:20.55 | johnx | Nokia's does not |
| 15:20.55 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 15:21.08 | slonopotamus | iwconfig & etc? |
| 15:21.11 | johnx | Nokia uses a proprietary config tool. Deblet uses standard linux tools |
| 15:21.38 | johnx | wlancond vs iwconfig/wpa_supplicant |
| 15:21.44 | slonopotamus | ok |
| 15:24.03 | lardman | ~curse trig |
| 15:24.04 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, trig ! |
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| 15:26.09 | slonopotamus | o_O |
| 15:26.54 | slonopotamus | ~praise johnx |
| 15:26.54 | infobot | All hail johnx! |
| 15:27.07 | slonopotamus | it works |
| 15:27.11 | slonopotamus | ;) |
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| 15:27.27 | slonopotamus | ~blame lardman |
| 15:27.28 | infobot | ACTION blames lardman (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 15:27.39 | slonopotamus | muahaha) |
| 15:27.41 | lardman | blame me for something working?! |
| 15:27.43 | lardman | :) |
| 15:28.55 | johnx | what did I do? |
| 15:29.06 | slonopotamus | who? |
| 15:29.07 | qwerty12 | ~smoke weed |
| 15:29.08 | infobot | ACTION rolls up weed, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 15:30.21 | johnx | ~smoke weed everyday |
| 15:30.21 | infobot | ACTION rolls up weed everyday, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 15:30.48 | slonopotamus | hm |
| 15:31.57 | qwerty12 | ~smoke weed with qwerty12 |
| 15:31.58 | infobot | ACTION rolls up weed with qwerty12, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 15:32.03 | qwerty12 | sick man infobot |
| 15:32.40 | lardman | ~smoke causes cancer |
| 15:32.40 | infobot | ACTION rolls up causes cancer, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 15:32.50 | ||cw | ~smoke qwerty12 |
| 15:32.50 | infobot | ACTION rolls up qwerty12, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 15:33.49 | lcuk | ~smoke the carpet |
| 15:33.50 | infobot | ACTION rolls up the carpet, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 15:34.10 | lardman | infobot: forget smoke |
| 15:34.10 | infobot | i forgot smoke, lardman |
| 15:34.17 | slonopotamus | ~off |
| 15:34.18 | infobot | it has been said that off is the opposite of on |
| 15:34.25 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 15:34.36 | slonopotamus | ~on |
| 15:34.36 | infobot | hmm... on is not off |
| 15:35.08 | qwerty12 | ~bitchslap lardman for making infobot forget how to smoke |
| 15:35.09 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of lardman for making infobot forget how to smoke |
| 15:35.09 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 15:35.35 | slonopotamus | ~die |
| 15:35.35 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 15:35.46 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 15:35.54 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Useless package uploaded to diablo extras-devel for testing subcategories. To see if this works without signing, I used dput options -fu :/ |
| 15:35.54 | lardman | good to see infobot providing useful info hey? |
| 15:35.59 | slonopotamus | game over |
| 15:36.59 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Heh, well let's see what happens :) |
| 15:37.29 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Build succeeded. |
| 15:37.29 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Please delete it after you have finished testing. That package contains *nothing* :) |
| 15:37.31 | qwerty12 | cool |
| 15:38.03 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Let's see if it ends up in extras-devel. I will remove it after that. |
| 15:38.29 | X-Fade | Hmm or maybe we should just leave it, so we can test AM etc ;) |
| 15:38.55 | qwerty12 | If you wish :). The maemo-display-name starts with DO NOT INSTALL :o |
| 15:38.59 | qwerty12 | *:p |
| 15:39.19 | X-Fade | qwerty12: As long as we don't promote it to Extras, it should be ok ;) |
| 15:39.24 | qwerty12 | ~smoke lardman for trying to make you forget how to smoke, muhahaha |
| 15:39.25 | infobot | ACTION rolls up lardman for trying to make you forget how to smoke, muhahaha, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 15:39.29 | qwerty12 | hehe, I certainly wont :p |
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| 15:42.05 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Yes, it works! |
| 15:42.14 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Great news! |
| 15:43.58 | lardman | works in AM? |
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| 15:45.42 | X-Fade | lardman: It says other/test in AM. |
| 15:45.55 | X-Fade | lardman: So it doesn't see the subcat. But it doesn't break. |
| 15:46.01 | lardman | cool |
| 15:46.36 | X-Fade | You now have a nice button with 'other/test' on it ;) |
| 15:46.55 | qwerty12 | is waiting for my packages list to update |
| 15:46.57 | Sargun | This probably isn't the place to ask, but I can't download the maps in wayfinder for the life of me. Does anyone know why I might not be able to? is there an alternate method on how to do this? |
| 15:47.33 | X-Fade | Dinner time, bbl. |
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| 15:54.14 | summatusmentis | android released source today :) |
| 15:54.32 | johnx | hot sauce! |
| 15:54.37 | summatusmentis | http://source.android.com/projects |
| 15:54.51 | summatusmentis | acutally, remove the projects from that |
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| 17:23.01 | slonopotamus | don't like deb packages. too verbose. |
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| 17:24.05 | Sargun_Screen | I wonder if way finder has ever heard of a cdn.. or Nokia for that matter |
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| 17:27.46 | RST38h | Canadian Dairy Network? =) |
| 17:28.01 | lcuk | oow |
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| 17:28.08 | orangey | hey all! |
| 17:28.24 | orangey | I want to install scratchbox (or whatever development environment) in ubuntu intrepid. |
| 17:28.40 | orangey | I see that there are great directions for doing this with 4.0 in older ubuntus |
| 17:28.44 | orangey | is there anything more updated? |
| 17:28.51 | orangey | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 |
| 17:29.53 | woglinde | orangey whats the problem? |
| 17:29.55 | lcuk | orangey, have you just tried it? |
| 17:30.03 | lcuk | hiya woglinde |
| 17:30.09 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 17:30.22 | orangey | woglinde: there's no problem. |
| 17:30.34 | woglinde | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 17:30.37 | woglinde | is yall you need |
| 17:30.44 | qwerty12 | orangey: disabling vdso and lowering the mmap level is a must in hardy at least |
| 17:30.47 | orangey | If there is no more updated version than that, though, then I'll spend a bit more time writing what special things I do. |
| 17:31.11 | qwerty12 | s/lowering/increasing |
| 17:31.31 | orangey | incidentally, the whole reason I'm doing this is to make an updated package of fceu |
| 17:31.37 | orangey | does anybody know if there's an fceu for diablo? |
| 17:31.38 | woglinde | the Install.txt has all solutions for the ceavates |
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| 17:31.45 | woglinde | fceu? |
| 17:31.51 | orangey | the nintendo emulator |
| 17:32.03 | woglinde | hm |
| 17:32.11 | woglinde | should not be hard to cross compile |
| 17:32.13 | orangey | unless there's another nintendo emulator for maemo that works better.. |
| 17:32.13 | niadh | How do I flash my N800 internet tablet with the 4.2008.35.5 image? |
| 17:32.18 | lcuk | http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+fceu |
| 17:32.21 | woglinde | just copy over the debian package |
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| 17:32.29 | woglinde | and cross compile |
| 17:32.30 | orangey | woglinde: believe me, I've been through it. |
| 17:32.48 | lcuk | niadh, are you in windows or linux |
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| 17:32.55 | niadh | Linux |
| 17:33.01 | woglinde | niadh install the latest image for download |
| 17:33.06 | orangey | anyhow, it's just that the packages don't seem to work for diablo. that's why I thought it would be ideal to compile some. |
| 17:33.10 | niadh | How? |
| 17:33.12 | slonopotamus | ~poop |
| 17:33.13 | infobot | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 17:33.13 | woglinde | and then hitt update |
| 17:33.14 | johnx | niadh, then you flash to .23 and do an update in app manager |
| 17:33.32 | johnx | ~flashing |
| 17:33.32 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:33.45 | niadh | Ah, I did wonder why I could only find a .23 image |
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| 17:34.04 | woglinde | niadh hm yes its sometimes a little bit confusing |
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| 17:36.45 | lopz | hi |
| 17:37.09 | woglinde | hi lopz |
| 17:37.21 | lopz | heya woglinde |
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| 17:39.12 | slonopotamus | ~gentoo mind |
| 17:39.12 | infobot | ACTION recompiles mind again |
| 17:39.24 | slonopotamus | ~gentoo his mind |
| 17:39.25 | infobot | ACTION recompiles his mind again |
| 17:40.35 | Stskeeps | android sources came out? |
| 17:40.37 | niadh | also with the wiki moving, my old bookmarks to the page don't work anymore |
| 17:40.41 | qwerty12_N800 | ~hump |
| 17:40.42 | infobot | ACTION humps the channel |
| 17:41.06 | Stskeeps | pokes qwerty12_N800 :P |
| 17:41.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, that they did |
| 17:41.09 | Stskeeps | scary |
| 17:41.15 | Stskeeps | anyone started trying yet? |
| 17:41.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, lol |
| 17:41.21 | johnx | I'm in the process of a massive git pull :) |
| 17:41.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:41.37 | johnx | apparently it's actually the whole damn thing too |
| 17:41.45 | johnx | people are completely shocked :) |
| 17:41.57 | Stskeeps | i wonder how it is with power consumption |
| 17:42.06 | Stskeeps | but yes, i'm shocked too |
| 17:42.07 | suihkulokki | including 3d drivers? :) |
| 17:42.10 | Stskeeps | and wet with excitement |
| 17:42.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:42.15 | johnx | O_o |
| 17:42.16 | Stskeeps | but true |
| 17:42.18 | johnx | T_T |
| 17:42.23 | Stskeeps | (kidding about the wet stuff.) |
| 17:42.30 | Stskeeps | it's raining outside, mmkay. |
| 17:42.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:42.38 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, stop lying :p |
| 17:42.44 | Stskeeps | 3d drivers, i guess that's needed for decent performance or? |
| 17:42.47 | johnx | has already run screaming into the hills... |
| 17:42.55 | johnx | Stskeeps, doesn't seem to be |
| 17:43.07 | johnx | I mean it would *help* of course |
| 17:43.10 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 17:44.23 | johnx | I used the hacked up beta on my zaurus and it works on the tablets too |
| 17:44.24 | johnx | the performance wasn't bad, but hopefully some optimizations will help |
| 17:44.24 | slonopotamus | people sayy android has damn slow browser |
| 17:44.24 | johnx | apparently their davlik interpreter is a terrifyingly optimized beast |
| 17:44.28 | slonopotamus | and no sources yet |
| 17:44.28 | niadh | Where can I get and what flags do I use with the flasher tool for linux? |
| 17:44.37 | slonopotamus | ~flashing |
| 17:44.38 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:44.38 | johnx | slonopotamus, no sources for what? the browser? |
| 17:45.07 | slonopotamus | johnx, for android. but i didn't check |
| 17:45.12 | johnx | check again |
| 17:45.17 | johnx | it just got released |
| 17:45.17 | niadh | it's not loading the page |
| 17:45.18 | slonopotamus | ok ;) |
| 17:45.23 | niadh | will see if google has it in cache |
| 17:45.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: i wonder what this move will cause really |
| 17:45.58 | niadh | yeah google cache works, but I can't get to the page directly |
| 17:46.14 | johnx | niadh, seems to be a constant state with maemo.org :/ |
| 17:46.22 | niadh | Oh, fair enough |
| 17:46.30 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'm looking forward to seeing things get shaken up a little :) |
| 17:46.35 | Stskeeps | indeed |
| 17:46.43 | Stskeeps | i mean, i would possibly actually run this |
| 17:46.48 | Stskeeps | if it is complete as they say |
| 17:47.00 | johnx | it's been run already as binaries |
| 17:47.11 | Stskeeps | yeah, admittedly i didn't use it then as it was more of a hackk |
| 17:47.19 | Stskeeps | but source avail and updates .. |
| 17:47.36 | johnx | this will fly on an omap3 I'm thinking :) |
| 17:47.45 | johnx | especially with openGL ES |
| 17:47.52 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:48.26 | moontiger | does anybody know a good hosting company in europe? |
| 17:48.41 | woglinde | moontiger hm what you mean woth good? |
| 17:48.43 | woglinde | price |
| 17:48.45 | woglinde | traffic? |
| 17:48.51 | moontiger | good price for a dedicated server |
| 17:48.51 | woglinde | customer care? |
| 17:48.54 | florian | moontiger: depends on what you want to host and how you define "good" |
| 17:48.59 | moontiger | customer care matters not |
| 17:49.02 | woglinde | florian *g* |
| 17:49.14 | moontiger | some of my websites ... i want to move them out of america |
| 17:49.24 | moontiger | not pron |
| 17:49.35 | moontiger | and not warez |
| 17:49.43 | qwerty12_N800 | not warez!?! |
| 17:49.50 | moontiger | things like gagfoot.com and a few others |
| 17:50.03 | woglinde | moontiger hm why? |
| 17:50.09 | florian | moontiger: heh... Hetzner and Strato (.de) should be quite cheap and more or less reliable. |
| 17:50.13 | johnx | slonopotamus, pulling down the webkit sources google is using right now :) |
| 17:50.15 | woglinde | in europe the laws are sometimes stronger |
| 17:50.19 | moontiger | 1. im moving to europe 2. i dont trust america |
| 17:50.32 | slonopotamus | huh |
| 17:50.42 | slonopotamus | don't trust anyone |
| 17:50.49 | slonopotamus | even yourself |
| 17:50.56 | slonopotamus | :P |
| 17:51.50 | melmoth | moontiger: there s the dedibox.free.fr , but i am afraid you need to be living in france to be a customer. |
| 17:52.02 | melmoth | may be other european country will have the same pre requisite. |
| 17:52.10 | moontiger | hetzner looks good :) |
| 17:52.18 | moontiger | melmoth, i signed up and its works :) |
| 17:52.23 | moontiger | the phonehome thingy |
| 17:52.30 | moontiger | i added clickable images btw ;) |
| 17:52.30 | melmoth | \o/ |
| 17:52.48 | moontiger | lots of improving and tidying up to do of course |
| 17:53.04 | melmoth | beta test opening sg on itt did not have a huge impact..We were visited by.... well... googlebot :) |
| 17:53.14 | moontiger | i have an eu passport so im european :) |
| 17:53.31 | moontiger | hahaha |
| 17:53.37 | moontiger | did googlebot sign up? |
| 17:53.42 | melmoth | :) |
| 17:53.53 | melmoth | actually, there has been 1 other sign on. |
| 17:54.00 | moontiger | cool :) |
| 17:54.17 | moontiger | i was thinking of a bunch of features we can talk about when im not teaching |
| 17:54.19 | woglinde | moontiger uh what you aredoing with phoneme? |
| 17:54.34 | moontiger | but things like config from web site that gets sent down to the daemon when a connection is made |
| 17:55.18 | melmoth | can be done, just not for the current config option are they are needed to connect (login basically) |
| 17:55.24 | moontiger | right |
| 17:55.40 | moontiger | but after the initial we can ... things like frequency and limits |
| 17:55.46 | moontiger | and downloads of tracks |
| 17:55.47 | moontiger | etc |
| 17:56.05 | melmoth | woglinde: http://phonehome.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:56.49 | melmoth | limits of data and frequency of pic upload sounds doable. |
| 17:56.59 | woglinde | melmoth args |
| 17:57.00 | woglinde | lol |
| 17:57.03 | woglinde | sorry |
| 17:57.12 | woglinde | I read phoneme |
| 17:57.25 | woglinde | which is opened java me engine from sun |
| 17:57.39 | moontiger | doesnt really like java |
| 17:58.07 | melmoth | i dont know phoneme |
| 17:59.17 | Sargun_Screen | java is...interesting |
| 17:59.46 | woglinde | Sargun_Screen you can use cacao with classpath |
| 17:59.54 | woglinde | on the tablets |
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| 18:06.29 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: wasn't the problem of android it needs a newish kernel and hence cx3110x won't work (stlc45xx isnt exactly active yet) |
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| 18:09.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hmm, the version me and pb did? wireless actually worked in that kernel. the problem is that newer android builds use some framebuffer thing which isn't really supported by tablet |
| 18:09.33 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 18:14.38 | qwerty12_N800 | turbo, An English teacher by trade? :p |
| 18:14.49 | zakkm | The guy didn't come!! -.- twice |
| 18:15.08 | zakkm | Is $195(Canadian Dollars) A lot for a nokia N800 .. openbox but unused? |
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| 18:15.08 | qwerty12_N800 | ~kill the guy who didn't cum twice |
| 18:15.09 | infobot | ACTION shoots a charged fluxproton gun at the guy who didn't cum twice |
| 18:15.11 | lcuk | theres drugs that can help that nowadays |
| 18:15.27 | zakkm | lcuk: the guy didnt show again.. |
| 18:15.40 | lcuk | thats a bit piss poor, have you spoken to him since? |
| 18:15.49 | zakkm | no. |
| 18:15.52 | lcuk | but tbh i dont think that matters, go searching for another |
| 18:15.53 | zakkm | I waited and called |
| 18:16.13 | zakkm | I did.. found one that is willing to wait until i get paid ( Thursday ) .. wants $195 for a openbox, unused though |
| 18:16.28 | zakkm | $195 is a lot though isn't it? |
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| 18:16.40 | lcuk | i dunno since i work in £ |
| 18:16.47 | lcuk | and i dont know what kind of $ you mean |
| 18:16.48 | |rt| | well it's cheaper than a new n810 |
| 18:16.52 | lcuk | only you will know that |
| 18:16.57 | zakkm | N800... not N810 |
| 18:17.12 | |rt| | yeah...but it's hard to find a new n800 |
| 18:17.21 | zakkm | lcuk : 95.15 quid... |
| 18:17.31 | zakkm | new n810 = $359.99 |
| 18:17.52 | zakkm | but isn't it a lot of money for one? $195 |
| 18:18.01 | zakkm | person doesnt know about warranty either.. so i figure there is none |
| 18:18.05 | lcuk | thats your decision :) |
| 18:18.26 | moontiger | warranty is everything on devices like these |
| 18:18.28 | moontiger | imo |
| 18:18.33 | zakkm | but you guys are experts at this.. Should i wait to buy from someone else, or should i buy from this guy for $195? |
| 18:18.45 | zakkm | My 770 got WSOD and i hated it cause i didn't have warranty |
| 18:19.07 | lcuk | i purchased direct from nokia, i would personally not recommend getting a second user model of pretty much anything like this |
| 18:19.10 | moontiger | would u like to throw $195 down the toliet? |
| 18:19.21 | zakkm | no not at all |
| 18:19.21 | moontiger | toilet too |
| 18:19.23 | zakkm | i cant afford too |
| 18:19.27 | zakkm | to* |
| 18:19.29 | moontiger | then spend the extra to get new |
| 18:19.37 | lcuk | but new 800 isnt available |
| 18:19.40 | moontiger | im with lcuk on this |
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| 18:19.49 | zakkm | i cant afford it new. |
| 18:19.53 | lcuk | i know |
| 18:19.55 | zakkm | i can hardly even afford $195 |
| 18:20.19 | lcuk | i know theres good sellers and good deals out there, if you are careful - as you looked like you were being - then i dont tihnk you will have problems |
| 18:20.46 | zakkm | so you think i should wait and find a better deal? |
| 18:21.08 | lcuk | i dont think you should rush it :) |
| 18:21.52 | lcuk | i dont even know where you are finding these selleres anyway and what reputation system they have etc |
| 18:21.52 | zakkm | theres one guy selling it on ebay.. from ITT forum.. ships only to US though :( |
| 18:22.01 | zakkm | Craigslist. |
| 18:22.33 | lcuk | never used it, wouldnt know |
| 18:22.45 | zakkm | its okay, when the ppl show up |
| 18:22.52 | zakkm | you know it, right? |
| 18:34.16 | |rt| | nice thing about craigslist is that your not buying a blind item |
| 18:35.01 | zakkm | yeah that too |
| 18:35.05 | zakkm | But sometimes they dont show up -.- |
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| 18:36.07 | |rt| | i've never had that happen but I haven't bought many things off craigslist |
| 18:36.16 | moontiger | craigslist has a lot of flakes |
| 18:36.26 | zakkm | Well, just this one guy in particular |
| 18:36.33 | zakkm | He acts like its my fault -.- |
| 18:36.36 | moontiger | the point is that even tho the seller sells with good faith it may still break the next day |
| 18:36.46 | zakkm | Yeah i know that |
| 18:36.49 | moontiger | and u have a paperweight |
| 18:36.50 | zakkm | but this one guy didnt even show up twice. |
| 18:36.53 | |rt| | most of the stuff I get off craigslist is woodworking related...so never really run into flakes |
| 18:37.13 | moontiger | right ... i use craigslist a lot for stuff that cant really "break" as such |
| 18:37.24 | zakkm | Last i bought was headphones for $10 |
| 18:37.27 | zakkm | I love them ;p |
| 18:37.43 | moontiger | zakkm where u based? |
| 18:37.49 | zakkm | Toronto, Canada |
| 18:37.54 | moontiger | ok |
| 18:38.04 | zakkm | I thought big city, it would be easy to find a seller. |
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| 18:38.25 | moontiger | i got mine new from amazon when they came out last xmas |
| 18:38.32 | zakkm | how much ? |
| 18:38.41 | moontiger | it was $450 then |
| 18:38.49 | zakkm | N800 or N810? |
| 18:38.53 | moontiger | n810 |
| 18:39.00 | zakkm | Tigerdirect sells N810's now for $349.99 |
| 18:39.03 | zakkm | :P |
| 18:39.11 | zakkm | new, warranty .. etc. |
| 18:39.15 | moontiger | yah but $450 == one day of teaching so i didnt mind ;) |
| 18:39.25 | zakkm | one day of teaching? |
| 18:39.31 | zakkm | you get paid $450 in one days wage? |
| 18:39.32 | |rt| | zakkm: that's where I got mine |
| 18:39.37 | moontiger | yes |
| 18:39.43 | melmoth | what are you teaching ? |
| 18:39.46 | melmoth | (finance ? :) ) |
| 18:39.54 | moontiger | php / mysql / apache / ajax / javascript |
| 18:40.13 | zakkm | no flipping way, $450? |
| 18:40.22 | moontiger | why do u think i do it?? :) |
| 18:40.34 | moontiger | i code when im not teaching so i do both |
| 18:40.37 | zakkm | I believe you teaching.. but getting paid $450 a day ? |
| 18:40.41 | woglinde | php / mysql |
| 18:40.43 | woglinde | args |
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| 18:40.50 | zakkm | moontiger: Where are you located? |
| 18:40.55 | moontiger | san fran |
| 18:41.24 | zakkm | that is wayy too much money |
| 18:41.28 | moontiger | hehehe |
| 18:42.02 | moontiger | if i go teach at a company its $600 |
| 18:42.16 | zakkm | no way.. for one day? |
| 18:42.21 | moontiger | nods |
| 18:42.22 | zakkm | What you teach? Im going into it? :P lol |
| 18:42.35 | moontiger | php / mysql / etc etc / ajax / etc etc |
| 18:42.45 | zakkm | web languages? |
| 18:42.54 | moontiger | yup yup ... open source |
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| 18:43.07 | woglinde | zakkm $600 is normal |
| 18:43.11 | moontiger | and i do contract programming as well |
| 18:43.12 | zakkm | Ah man i just dropped computer science. |
| 18:43.51 | zakkm | even $150-200 a day would be hella nice |
| 18:44.03 | woglinde | hehe thats to cheap |
| 18:44.12 | woglinde | and companys think you are bad |
| 18:44.14 | woglinde | or so |
| 18:44.19 | zakkm | nononono |
| 18:44.27 | zakkm | Im thinking thats the point .. for the lifestyle i want. |
| 18:44.34 | moontiger | yah i teach people like ebay and google and others |
| 18:44.44 | moontiger | they pay big bucks ... but u have to know ur stuff |
| 18:45.03 | moontiger | and i travel and work when i want |
| 18:45.10 | moontiger | thats why im off to europe soon |
| 18:45.13 | zakkm | I'm not good at math though :P |
| 18:45.14 | moontiger | change of scene |
| 18:45.34 | moontiger | :) |
| 18:45.39 | zakkm | I was thinking system administration ? |
| 18:45.46 | zakkm | It didn't look too difficult.. no math involved. |
| 18:45.52 | lcuk | plenty |
| 18:45.59 | moontiger | there doesnt have to be math in programming either |
| 18:46.00 | woglinde | you always need math |
| 18:46.09 | |rt| | zakkm: you won't get away from programming in sys admin |
| 18:46.11 | moontiger | unless ur doing grafix |
| 18:46.12 | lcuk | you've got 40 servers, each pulling 240watts - can you cope with a 3kwatt outlet |
| 18:46.17 | zakkm | no i just mean like insane algebra.. |
| 18:46.18 | woglinde | moontiger yes if you are a webslave |
| 18:46.32 | moontiger | i do what pays |
| 18:46.39 | moontiger | i also code in assembler and c/ c++ |
| 18:46.49 | moontiger | but nobody is paying to do that right now |
| 18:46.51 | moontiger | ;) |
| 18:46.52 | woglinde | moontiger I meant the math |
| 18:46.59 | qwerty12_N800 | is shit at maths but i'll be fine as long as i carry a calculator :p |
| 18:47.25 | moontiger | hmmmmmmmmm mostly yes woglinde |
| 18:47.26 | woglinde | qwerty12_N800 the calculator do not solve inductions |
| 18:47.32 | moontiger | but there is of course basic math reqd all the time |
| 18:47.56 | woglinde | or algorithm analysis |
| 18:47.57 | qwerty12_N800 | :/ |
| 18:47.58 | |rt| | i used to be a technical director doing computer animation but just do sys admin stuff now |
| 18:48.14 | |rt| | alot less linear algebra and trig in sys admin |
| 18:48.15 | zakkm | how much does admin stuff pay? |
| 18:48.24 | woglinde | zakkm depends |
| 18:48.37 | zakkm | roughly, starting? |
| 18:48.39 | woglinde | some are not getting more than webslaves |
| 18:48.48 | woglinde | others get 100k or more |
| 18:49.03 | woglinde | depends depends |
| 18:49.09 | zakkm | lets say i graduate.. and i did well.. |
| 18:49.14 | zakkm | semi high marks |
| 18:49.20 | zakkm | i know my stuff.. |
| 18:49.28 | woglinde | depends |
| 18:49.35 | woglinde | on the firm and people you know |
| 18:49.36 | woglinde | sorry |
| 18:49.43 | |rt| | you can make a decent living doing sys admin |
| 18:49.46 | lcuk | zakkm, local markets are roller coasters, you will find your way |
| 18:49.58 | |rt| | one of my friends was one of the first sys admins at google....he's now retired |
| 18:50.04 | moontiger | i like to be able to travel |
| 18:50.20 | |rt| | but I wouldn't count on that sort of thing happening |
| 18:50.36 | lcuk | not in current climate |
| 18:50.38 | zakkm | i would like a nice uhh idkk $50k ? |
| 18:51.08 | zakkm | I'm still 17.. so I dont know how much my future life is going to cost me. |
| 18:51.12 | lcuk | zakkm, look what others around you are earning - check out job offers in your area (or where you want to be) then go for it there |
| 18:51.25 | melmoth | if what you are looking for is the money, i think you should not consider coding or admin. try sales. |
| 18:51.37 | lcuk | one persons millions could (literally) be anothers peanuts |
| 18:51.42 | zakkm | Haha i like computers.. I just cant program |
| 18:51.52 | zakkm | I totallyyy failed computer science.. reason i dropped it |
| 18:51.57 | woglinde | cant program and admin? |
| 18:52.04 | woglinde | thats not good |
| 18:52.04 | zakkm | that and i told this year was C#.. and it wasnt |
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| 18:52.11 | lcuk | its ok, he can join microsoft |
| 18:52.14 | zakkm | admin, i think ill do okay |
| 18:52.31 | woglinde | if you do not know something about sed or awk |
| 18:52.37 | zakkm | microsoft is good? like the people |
| 18:52.39 | woglinde | you will be not a good admin |
| 18:52.43 | zakkm | they just screwed up the plan i think |
| 18:52.55 | |rt| | woglinde: you can replace sed or awk pretty easily with perl or python |
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| 18:53.00 | |rt| | but then again that's still programming |
| 18:53.01 | lcuk | depends whether its ms admin or not |
| 18:53.27 | woglinde | rt sed and awk are faster haha |
| 18:53.37 | woglinde | and smaller |
| 18:54.35 | zakkm | well either way , i wont be graduating for another 4-5 years.. |
| 18:54.36 | |rt| | yes that is true but speed and size normally doesn't really matter too much when it comes to system administration |
| 18:54.47 | zakkm | im graduating highskool next year.. |
| 18:55.12 | woglinde | lcuk you can even programm with cmd and the other ms tools |
| 18:55.13 | moontiger | zakkm, i would enjoy being so young for a while yet :) |
| 18:55.22 | zakkm | lol |
| 18:55.26 | zakkm | Im 17. 18 in march |
| 18:55.34 | moontiger | ooooooooo getting old huh? ;) |
| 18:55.38 | lcuk | you are still in beta |
| 18:55.38 | |rt| | lol |
| 18:55.39 | zakkm | Working for $8.20 a hour, cashiering at a grocery store :P |
| 18:55.44 | zakkm | alpha actually. |
| 18:55.49 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:55.51 | moontiger | lol |
| 18:56.04 | woglinde | hm |
| 18:56.12 | woglinde | better than nothing |
| 18:56.21 | zakkm | at 8.20 a hour.. seeing how $195 is alot of money? :P |
| 18:56.32 | woglinde | I did sys admin at university for 12 euros |
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| 18:56.50 | zakkm | this is Canadian dollars. |
| 18:56.53 | lcuk | bbl |
| 18:57.04 | zakkm | $19 CAD = 12 euro |
| 18:57.31 | zakkm | I am young, but its time to start thinking about a job path |
| 18:57.37 | moontiger | for me its tax deductible too as its all work related |
| 18:57.45 | moontiger | so buying one wasnt a problem |
| 18:57.46 | moontiger | :) |
| 18:57.59 | zakkm | got it free/ almost free? |
| 18:58.06 | moontiger | in effect |
| 18:58.13 | |rt| | I don't think sys admin or programming will make anyone rich, there are exceptions, but both jobs will make a decent living |
| 18:58.16 | zakkm | get me one :P |
| 18:58.17 | zakkm | lol |
| 18:58.30 | zakkm | im a very basic person |
| 18:58.40 | zakkm | dont need fast stuff, dont want a big house or anything |
| 18:58.47 | zakkm | or even a house, apartment life is great in my mind |
| 18:58.55 | moontiger | nods |
| 18:59.09 | zakkm | my pc is an atom 1.6ghz and i think its hella fast :P |
| 18:59.12 | zakkm | for what i need |
| 18:59.22 | woglinde | lol |
| 18:59.57 | zakkm | gma950 ftw! :D |
| 19:00.22 | moontiger | i also live basically |
| 19:00.29 | moontiger | travelling requires that |
| 19:00.55 | zakkm | moontiger: how much you make a day? |
| 19:01.08 | moontiger | teaching .... $450 - $600 |
| 19:01.16 | moontiger | coding ... $100+ per hour |
| 19:01.22 | zakkm | okay lets say $450 ... $450 can be an amazing lifestyle |
| 19:01.52 | zakkm | even $100+ -.- |
| 19:06.07 | hellwolf | Why it shows me a blank page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:06.33 | hellwolf | Sorry, I did Ctrl-F5, it's ok now |
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| 19:39.01 | lardman | very quiet here tonight |
| 19:39.25 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, hi lardman |
| 19:39.31 | lardman | hi qwerty12_N800 |
| 19:39.48 | lardman | I thought you might have done ~silence everyone, or similar |
| 19:40.19 | qwerty12_N800 | :p. btw, infobot agrees wiith smoking :p |
| 19:40.21 | qwerty12_N800 | ~weed |
| 19:40.21 | infobot | weed is probably good |
| 19:40.33 | lardman | hmm |
| 19:40.38 | qwerty12_N800 | grr |
| 19:40.53 | zakkm | loll |
| 19:41.01 | lardman | it'll give you psychosis |
| 19:41.39 | qwerty12_N800 | the bot is all knowing, i take its word over yours :p |
| 19:41.55 | lardman | I'm a doctor |
| 19:42.08 | Stskeeps | lardman: probably just shellshock from android source announcement.. as the reason why it's quiet |
| 19:42.11 | lardman | not a MA, but still a doctor :) |
| 19:42.23 | lardman | Stskeeps: fair enough :) |
| 19:42.27 | qwerty12_N800 | ok, i retract that and take your word lardman :) |
| 19:42.29 | zakkm | your a doctor, wow. |
| 19:42.34 | lardman | s/MA/MD |
| 19:42.36 | zakkm | People here are older than i thought. |
| 19:42.40 | lardman | can't type, as ever |
| 19:42.41 | qwerty12_N800 | ~qwerty12 |
| 19:42.41 | infobot | i guess qwerty12 is the king of e@$T L0ND0N |
| 19:42.49 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah bruv |
| 19:42.58 | qwerty12_N800 | i told you it's all knowing |
| 19:43.24 | Stskeeps | zakkm: phds can be fairly young |
| 19:43.44 | lardman | I'm 30 fwiw |
| 19:44.00 | solmumaha | now that's old |
| 19:44.05 | lardman | oi! |
| 19:44.07 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 19:44.08 | Stskeeps | heh, i'm 24 |
| 19:44.13 | woglinde | hehe |
| 19:44.15 | qwerty12_N800 | <-- 16 |
| 19:44.17 | zakkm | heh, I'm 17 |
| 19:44.21 | woglinde | I am 3 years older than lardman |
| 19:44.22 | yacoob | impossible, lardman. People don't live that long. |
| 19:44.29 | lardman | yacoob: lol |
| 19:44.34 | zakkm | qwerty12, how'd you afford the nokia at 16? |
| 19:44.50 | Stskeeps | he ninjaed his way into nokia |
| 19:44.57 | Stskeeps | with his leet skills |
| 19:45.10 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, saved up money for about a year :) |
| 19:45.28 | woglinde | zakkm some people has rich friends |
| 19:45.34 | woglinde | ups parent |
| 19:45.37 | woglinde | I am mean |
| 19:45.40 | |rt| | hehe at 31 I guess I don't have much longer to live |
| 19:45.51 | woglinde | or doing opensource developement and getting some sponsors |
| 19:46.03 | zakkm | |rt|: may i inherit your nokia? :D |
| 19:46.09 | lcuk | until this year i was dead |
| 19:46.18 | |rt| | zakkm: i think my wife has dibs on it |
| 19:46.19 | woglinde | lcuk lol |
| 19:46.25 | lardman | zakkm: they'll probably need to sell it to pay for a tombstone |
| 19:46.40 | zakkm | |rt|: that may lead to your death ;p |
| 19:46.50 | qwerty12_N800 | i'll donate my n800 to infobot |
| 19:47.02 | zakkm | becomes infobot |
| 19:47.10 | |rt| | hehe purhaps but I'll die happy |
| 19:47.12 | Stskeeps | same with my n800.. my gf is next in line |
| 19:47.16 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: donate it to Nokia to take some load off the maemo.org 770 |
| 19:47.18 | Stskeeps | in the meanwhile she's getting a ipaq 3630 |
| 19:47.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:47.19 | lcuk | woglinde, serious, i had no internet profile - searching for my name brought up a news article saying i had died in an industrial accident |
| 19:47.26 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, lol |
| 19:47.31 | zakkm | maemo.org only has a 770? |
| 19:47.39 | Stskeeps | lcuk's a ghost! |
| 19:47.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:47.50 | qwerty12_N800 | n800 is in bad condition... scratches everywhere |
| 19:47.52 | lardman | zakkm: yeah, sometimes we think it's actually a Zaurus sl-5000D |
| 19:48.12 | lardman | zakkm: hosting that is.... ;) |
| 19:48.13 | zakkm | no idea what that is :P |
| 19:49.00 | solmumaha | only the really old one know |
| 19:49.04 | lcuk | zaurus was the first tiny format device that resembled a real computer |
| 19:49.08 | flo_lap | zakkm: hehe... you are too young ;) |
| 19:49.10 | lcuk | that i remember anyway |
| 19:49.20 | solmumaha | i had sl-5500, i think |
| 19:49.38 | qwerty12_N800 | you oldie :p |
| 19:49.46 | lcuk | hang on, thats not the one i eyed up |
| 19:50.12 | qwerty12_N800 | never was hooked by the zaurus, preferring pocket pc's instead |
| 19:50.14 | lcuk | it was the C3000 that i drooled over |
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| 19:51.17 | lardman | zakkm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_Zaurus, 8MB flash, 32MB RAM |
| 19:51.24 | solmumaha | i found a video clip today that i had filmed with 5500 and its cf camera |
| 19:51.48 | lardman | solmumaha: you had that camera?! |
| 19:51.57 | solmumaha | yes :) |
| 19:52.02 | lardman | cool :) |
| 19:52.08 | zakkm | doesnt look half bad for its age |
| 19:52.09 | qwerty12_N800 | worse than n800's camera? :p |
| 19:52.16 | solmumaha | ordered it from germany, cost only 50 e or so |
| 19:52.21 | solmumaha | not much |
| 19:52.22 | lardman | not bad |
| 19:52.34 | lardman | bring on the n900 5MPix camera is all I can say :) |
| 19:54.23 | lcuk | heh, no matter how well nokia do with this next device (could be gold with 8x CPU, a super battery, mega camera and whatnot) people will still find stuff to complain about ;) |
| 19:54.37 | zakkm | 8x cpu ? |
| 19:54.44 | zakkm | they wouldnt do that would they? |
| 19:54.56 | lcuk | bangs head on wall |
| 19:55.02 | zakkm | haha |
| 19:55.07 | zakkm | not possible, is it? |
| 19:55.16 | lardman | zakkm: 8 cores would kill battery life :) |
| 19:55.27 | lcuk | of course its possible, you would flatten bettery a bit faster |
| 19:55.31 | moontiger | it would boot and die real quick tho :) |
| 19:55.31 | zakkm | what you talking about, said super battery ;p |
| 19:55.39 | qwerty12_N800 | i want the platinum edition so i can wear it on my neck |
| 19:55.46 | lcuk | moontiger, not really - you could get 10-20minutes out of it |
| 19:55.56 | zakkm | is there any news on the nokia n900? |
| 19:55.58 | moontiger | well thats good then |
| 19:55.59 | moontiger | :) |
| 19:56.01 | lcuk | lol |
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| 19:56.07 | lardman | zakkm: increase my home electricity bills, fuel global warming, don't worry I've got the complaints lined up ;) |
| 19:56.17 | lcuk | nokia pocket warmer |
| 19:56.17 | zakkm | lol |
| 19:56.24 | zakkm | electricity is cheap .. just we use alot :P |
| 19:56.37 | zakkm | In ontario, Canada.. it costs the government for electricity more than it costs you ;p |
| 19:57.01 | lcuk | phew, good job we dont pay for the government |
| 19:57.19 | qwerty12_N800 | What is this Canada you talk of? |
| 19:57.20 | zakkm | i meant electricity is cheap ;p |
| 19:57.34 | zakkm | ? |
| 19:57.49 | hellwolf | How could I change user name in maemo, by default it's "user" |
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| 19:59.00 | lcuk | hellwolf, i hink you have to go and fill out a form at the local ton hall, and get signatures from 4 friends |
| 19:59.05 | lcuk | town ^ |
| 19:59.22 | lcuk | +whatever other typo fixup is needed |
| 19:59.40 | zakkm | strangers*** not friends.. |
| 19:59.40 | zakkm | :P |
| 19:59.46 | lcuk | mmmmm i uploaded a version of lb to extras-devel last night |
| 20:00.05 | lcuk | but its not there, i think i left it in the queue |
| 20:00.11 | lcuk | is a plonker |
| 20:00.15 | qwerty12_N800 | check it |
| 20:01.54 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, wheres the list? |
| 20:02.07 | qwerty12_N800 | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/ |
| 20:02.12 | lcuk | ty |
| 20:02.19 | qwerty12_N800 | np |
| 20:02.44 | lcuk | no, i think i mustv closed window after the upload but before pushing it :$ |
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| 20:02.54 | qwerty12_N800 | at least we don't need to sign stuff anymore :) |
| 20:02.57 | qwerty12_N800 | use dput |
| 20:03.08 | lcuk | yeah ill use the assistant for now |
| 20:03.35 | qwerty12_N800 | i was like that but then i saw how much easier dput was |
| 20:04.16 | lcuk | yeah but after building i have to manually get it onto my server so i can test it on the other nokia |
| 20:04.20 | *** part/#maemo sandman (n=s@CPE-24-208-55-92.new.res.rr.com) |
| 20:04.25 | lcuk | before uploading to extras |
| 20:04.33 | qwerty12_N800 | you should be able to do it from the tablet actually |
| 20:04.35 | qwerty12_N800 | k |
| 20:04.48 | lcuk | i should, but i build in scratchbox |
| 20:05.07 | lcuk | its such a long winded process, but at least i know ive updated to svn correctly |
| 20:05.27 | qwerty12_N800 | that doesn't matter, i used to build inside sbox and upload outside sbox :) |
| 20:05.37 | lcuk | 's commits are littered with "ooops forgot xyz" |
| 20:05.54 | woglinde | lcuk *g* |
| 20:06.10 | lcuk | qwerty i mean actually ensuring the svn source is correct and buildable |
| 20:06.18 | lcuk | shurrup woglinde :P |
| 20:06.48 | lcuk | i was rocking for a 0.1.0 release until you came alone :P (and very nicely got me past garage security) |
| 20:06.56 | lcuk | along ^ |
| 20:09.39 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you wont have seen this then will you http://liqbase.net/liq.20081021_131225.gary.scr.png |
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| 20:10.19 | qwerty12_N800 | no, looks cool :) |
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| 20:11.06 | lcuk | ive put the same functionality for all buttons, people can stop asking for custom stuff now |
| 20:11.59 | RST38h | moo again |
| 20:12.14 | woglinde | hi RST38h |
| 20:12.25 | zakkm | lcuk: that looks cool |
| 20:12.54 | hellwolf | I installed avahi-daemon, but every time reboot, it didn't start automatically |
| 20:12.56 | lcuk | zakkm :) its even better runnin it properly :) |
| 20:13.04 | qwerty12_N800 | hey RST38h |
| 20:13.13 | zakkm | lcuk: whats with the thing at the top right of each option though? |
| 20:13.15 | zakkm | PO or something? |
| 20:13.17 | woglinde | avahi is overloaded crap |
| 20:13.28 | hellwolf | but I need that crap |
| 20:13.34 | woglinde | ???? |
| 20:13.35 | lcuk | thats actually the edit button (which i have the code open for right now) |
| 20:13.35 | zakkm | hellwolf: your have to add it to startup :P |
| 20:13.44 | zakkm | debian uses rc.conf doesnt it? |
| 20:13.46 | woglinde | nobody needs it |
| 20:13.52 | woglinde | zakkm nope |
| 20:13.54 | lcuk | edit button displays and lets you select the icon for that button |
| 20:13.57 | woglinde | sysv |
| 20:14.00 | qwerty12_N800 | has avahi for jokes |
| 20:14.01 | hellwolf | zakkm, how could I add it. The question is I used N800 before, and I installed avahi also |
| 20:14.02 | zakkm | ah |
| 20:14.13 | hellwolf | it could start it self |
| 20:14.16 | lcuk | is makin it vanish tonight :) |
| 20:14.21 | zakkm | hellwolf: installing a daemon doesnt mean it starts up right away.. its not windows :P |
| 20:14.34 | zakkm | no it cant |
| 20:14.35 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk the wizard |
| 20:14.43 | woglinde | zakkm hellowolf maybe the package is broken |
| 20:14.44 | zakkm | nothing can call on it to startup by default. |
| 20:15.03 | zakkm | well i guess the install script can add it to config .. but yeah |
| 20:15.04 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800 did you install later version from my site? or have you still got an old one? |
| 20:15.14 | hellwolf | I have this |
| 20:15.14 | hellwolf | # ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S14avahi-daemon |
| 20:15.14 | hellwolf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Oct 21 20:55 /etc/rc2.d/S14avahi-daemon -> ../init.d/avahi-daemon |
| 20:15.26 | zakkm | so that doesnt mean its started up |
| 20:15.32 | woglinde | hellwolf hm looks good |
| 20:15.37 | zakkm | just means you can do /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon start |
| 20:15.42 | zakkm | to start it |
| 20:15.47 | woglinde | is there a /etc/default/avahi? |
| 20:15.52 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, 0.1.5 :) |
| 20:16.01 | hellwolf | hellwolf-n810:~# ls -l /etc/default/avahi-daemon |
| 20:16.01 | hellwolf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 219 Aug 14 21:05 /etc/default/avahi-daemon |
| 20:16.02 | lcuk | so the camera works for you :) |
| 20:16.12 | lcuk | or havent you noticed/tried |
| 20:16.13 | woglinde | hellwolf look whats in there |
| 20:16.19 | hellwolf | AVAHI_DAEMON_DETECT_LOCAL=1 |
| 20:16.25 | woglinde | maybee its turn of by default |
| 20:16.39 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it works great! most stable camera app by far :) |
| 20:16.48 | hellwolf | the question is it didn't start up |
| 20:16.49 | lcuk | heh |
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| 20:16.58 | hellwolf | I can manually start avahi-daemon |
| 20:17.03 | woglinde | hellwolf right |
| 20:17.07 | hellwolf | /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon start |
| 20:17.12 | lcuk | thats cos its not trying to be a super cam :) |
| 20:17.15 | hellwolf | and it's also in /etc/rc2.d |
| 20:17.25 | hellwolf | and why it didn't startup |
| 20:17.28 | qwerty12_N800 | hellwolf, install sysklogd and examine the log to see messages as to why it wont start on startup |
| 20:17.36 | hellwolf | ok |
| 20:17.52 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i love it the way it is ^-^ :p |
| 20:18.16 | lcuk | qwerty :) |
| 20:18.39 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 20:18.55 | lcuk | passes qwerty12 an envelope |
| 20:19.03 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 20:19.26 | lcuk | nahhh, kot was sayin last night i should add param to liqbase specifically for the camera |
| 20:19.47 | lcuk | cos it just works and is quick and stuff :) i tend to agree |
| 20:20.49 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm for leaving it as it is unless you decide to make any changes, the camera is crap anyway, no point in putting a lot of work :p |
| 20:21.38 | lcuk | heh, i agree, but just having it there and giving my nokia to someone for a minute gets me a picture of them and a quick hello in the sketchpad |
| 20:21.49 | lcuk | its all kept together so now i can keep names and faces together :) |
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| 20:22.03 | lcuk | has a terrible memory |
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| 20:22.34 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, i'm good at remembering this i don't need to :/ |
| 20:22.41 | qwerty12_N800 | *things |
| 20:23.30 | lcuk | heh, i just think its cool to let people see the nokia and play with it (word of mouth is excellent this way) and i might as well keep the info once its there |
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| 20:24.52 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, i was showing off my nokia with liqbase and it was to the liking of everyone :) (i was able to present the camera as good!) |
| 20:25.28 | lcuk | so in your photo album and eventually your graffiti wall you know that today you were havin a laugh with friends |
| 20:25.43 | lcuk | cos their photos are there and they squiggled a bit |
| 20:25.44 | zakkm | lcuk: should have a upload feature :P |
| 20:25.44 | zakkm | for the camera :P |
| 20:25.51 | lcuk | zakkm :) |
| 20:26.08 | lcuk | i ask for a users name before using the program. there is a reason for this |
| 20:26.09 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, this was when you just had the blit test :) |
| 20:26.15 | lcuk | heh |
| 20:27.02 | qwerty12_N800 | well, username=`uname_-a`hhjjkkjhy ... |
| 20:27.22 | zakkm | why the _ in uname -a ? |
| 20:27.31 | lcuk | zakkm, what if you could take a picture and write on the back of it (like an old polaroid) and send it to someone |
| 20:27.43 | lcuk | lol |
| 20:27.44 | zakkm | oh that'll be cool |
| 20:27.45 | zakkm | or like uhh |
| 20:27.52 | lcuk | a postcard |
| 20:27.55 | zakkm | Annotate your photo? |
| 20:28.04 | lcuk | i really hope nokia doesnt screw up the camera on the next model |
| 20:28.05 | zakkm | take a photo .. and then like draw on it |
| 20:28.07 | lcuk | yeah |
| 20:28.14 | zakkm | add glasses, block out the eyes.. idunno |
| 20:28.28 | lcuk | .. you are starting to see where i am heading :) |
| 20:28.57 | zakkm | no offense, i mean liqbase sounds really amazing and i would totally install / keep up to date.. but showing ppl the nokia.. wouldn't ppl be liking it more from canola? |
| 20:29.38 | lcuk | canola is a media consumer - liqbase creates and catalogues entirely new data |
| 20:29.52 | zakkm | yeah but isnt that what people generally want. |
| 20:29.57 | zakkm | Maybe its just me being a teenager. |
| 20:30.05 | lcuk | no, ive got canola on mine |
| 20:30.14 | lcuk | people like to play and watch and listen |
| 20:30.37 | lcuk | but they aso like to draw and take pics and write messages and do funky stuff |
| 20:31.17 | lcuk | theres plenty of space on the nokia for all things :) |
| 20:32.14 | zakkm | ahh i want one |
| 20:32.18 | zakkm | damn guy didn't show up |
| 20:32.20 | zakkm | -.- |
| 20:32.23 | lcuk | hah |
| 20:32.25 | hellwolf | qwerty12_N800, on my N800, I also installed avahi-daemon, but I didn't find avahi-daemon startup script in /etc/rc2.d, and it does startup correctly. Contrary, on my N810, avahi-daemon has a script under /etc/rc2.d, but it doesn't startup. So where's the actual place for startup programs |
| 20:32.47 | zakkm | hellwolf just google debian startup config |
| 20:32.55 | zakkm | daemon startup |
| 20:33.03 | zakkm | debian daemon startup config |
| 20:33.17 | qwerty12_N800 | hellwolf, it's actually rc2.d & rc5 (for the charger) :/ |
| 20:34.07 | zakkm | you have a N800 and N810? |
| 20:34.14 | hellwolf | qwerty12_N800, # ls /etc/rc2.d/*avahi* |
| 20:34.14 | hellwolf | ls: /etc/rc2.d/*avahi*: No such file or directory |
| 20:34.20 | hellwolf | qwerty12_N800, on my N800 |
| 20:34.26 | zakkm | ... your not looking for a file called avahi? |
| 20:34.28 | hellwolf | qwerty12_N800, but the avahi starts up |
| 20:34.45 | woglinde | hellwolf both have diablo installed? |
| 20:35.00 | hellwolf | no, one is diablo(n810), one is chinook |
| 20:35.03 | qwerty12_N800 | hellwolf, /etc/rc2.d/S14avahi-daemon /etc/rc2.d/S16avahi-dnsconfd |
| 20:35.11 | qwerty12_N800 | from my n800 |
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| 20:37.39 | hellwolf | that's interesting |
| 20:37.58 | GeneralAntilles | Damn spammers |
| 20:38.00 | hellwolf | qwerty12_N800, I found on my N800(chinook), it's startup by ./network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon |
| 20:38.03 | GeneralAntilles | is way too lazy to read the scrollback. |
| 20:38.22 | hellwolf | in my n810, it changed |
| 20:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | Why does GNUton insist on breaking my wiki? |
| 20:39.24 | qwerty12_N800 | hellwolf, ah |
| 20:41.43 | aazar | hey guys, I just received a N810 and it came with a sticker in the middle of the screen with some sort of 2D barcode. Removing that sticker left a layer of sticker and glue on the screen. Anyone also had this? |
| 20:42.28 | hellwolf | that's sad |
| 20:42.58 | lcuk | are you sure you've not left the clear plastic cover that sticker is stuck to on |
| 20:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | aazar, it's not on the screen. |
| 20:43.14 | GeneralAntilles | There's a factory shipping protector |
| 20:43.17 | GeneralAntilles | ~screen-protector |
| 20:43.25 | aazar | here we go |
| 20:43.27 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Screen_protector |
| 20:43.32 | lcuk | mine had a hard plastic protector which that barcode was stuck onto |
| 20:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | ~screen-protector is https://wiki.maemo.org/Screen_protector |
| 20:43.35 | infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles |
| 20:43.35 | aazar | thanks guys, that protective screen is really invisible! |
| 20:43.47 | zakkm | aazar: how much you pay? |
| 20:43.48 | lcuk | thats the idea |
| 20:44.14 | aazar | zakkm: not sure, from the company |
| 20:44.24 | lcuk | i wonder if one day we will tell someone that and they will actually forcefully pop the lcd out |
| 20:44.25 | zakkm | lucky |
| 20:45.28 | lcuk | zakkm, depends, he might have to run the entire companies webserver on there |
| 20:45.42 | zakkm | is that actually done? |
| 20:45.46 | zakkm | sounds weird. |
| 20:45.55 | lcuk | how do you think maemo.org works? |
| 20:45.57 | zakkm | might as well just get simple pc parts. |
| 20:46.05 | zakkm | actually on a nokia? |
| 20:46.10 | zakkm | sounds odd |
| 20:46.16 | lcuk | silent computing, low heat, high density |
| 20:46.40 | zakkm | so its plugged into like a wall for power 24/7? |
| 20:47.21 | lcuk | just because these machines CAN be carried around doesnt mean they have to be. mines plugged in most of the time |
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| 20:50.32 | zakkm | But they're weak for one |
| 20:50.39 | zakkm | Especially the 770. |
| 20:51.02 | qwerty12_N800 | grrr, i keep on having to rebuild gtk icon cache. i wondered why my n800 is still showing full battery even now |
| 20:51.57 | lcuk | it shows you full battery because its scared of you |
| 20:52.11 | lcuk | you keep plugging all these dangerous chargers into it |
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| 20:53.11 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, i'm surprised it's still survived. i plugged in a dodgy usb cable i spliced together and the port is still working |
| 20:53.12 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, stop being evil. :P |
| 20:53.24 | lcuk | heh |
| 20:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | never got a reply from tekojo this morning. |
| 20:55.03 | lcuk | Thank you for promoting your package to Extras. It can take up to an hour for the package to show up in Extras |
| 20:56.19 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 20:56.21 | Stskeeps | liqbase? |
| 20:56.22 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, it took a day or two for rootsh to show up there and it's not exactly the biggest package. but that was a long while ago |
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| 20:56.31 | lcuk | yes :) |
| 20:57.18 | lcuk | it will do for now, i cant get the package any cleaner and i need more time for larger changes |
| 20:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 20:57.40 | lcuk | sighing? |
| 20:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | My pet projects have all come screeching to a halt because of missing people. |
| 20:57.58 | lcuk | heh |
| 20:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | gets ready to take it out on the council. |
| 20:58.19 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and that is why man invented companies, where you pay people to do it |
| 20:58.21 | qwerty12_N800 | DUCK! |
| 20:58.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:58.35 | Stskeeps | (sad problem in open source projects really) |
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| 20:59.07 | Veggen | actually, it'll happen in commercial projects too. |
| 20:59.13 | Veggen | but you'll just hear about those. |
| 20:59.16 | Veggen | eh, not. |
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| 20:59.29 | nemo | hey folks. has anyone here tried the fennec alpha? |
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| 20:59.53 | Veggen | We have a really cool and really good project at work, that we started some 4 years ago, but it seems never to finish because lack of prioritizing and time to do it. |
| 20:59.56 | nemo | I was wondering if it was less slooooow (as one review described it) if "browserd" was killed off first. |
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| 21:02.32 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, for os-v, is it required that the user has the 0option* of turning off the legal warning? |
| 21:02.38 | qwerty12_N800 | -O |
| 21:02.57 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing in particular is required |
| 21:03.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that's a patch I'd like to bundle with the community application manager, though. |
| 21:03.19 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: bootmenu preference btw - that when package is installed, it has flashed/fixed initfs? |
| 21:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | fires off a "What the hell is with the goddamn servers?!" email to -community. |
| 21:03.48 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: or "install bootmenu" menu item |
| 21:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, my plan was to bundled only the bootmenu-capable initfs with osv-c. |
| 21:04.01 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:04.05 | qwerty12_N800 | My 1st simple patch works but i'm having problems with the one where i give the user the option |
| 21:04.13 | GeneralAntilles | and whether you see it or not would depend on your settings in the control panel. |
| 21:04.17 | Stskeeps | me and fanoush are discussing bootmenu a bit and how to go around making it more mainstream |
| 21:04.38 | GeneralAntilles | I don't really have any opinions on how it should be done for regular osv |
| 21:05.08 | Stskeeps | (probably good i have fanoush to talk a bit to, i'd probably be a bit reckless else..) |
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| 21:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I'll get a Garage page up at some point and we can start collecting them and getting more people involved. |
| 21:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | --other than that I don't think the "Install bootmenu" .desktop is very elegant. |
| 21:06.08 | Stskeeps | probably not, but it's a first step |
| 21:06.17 | Stskeeps | and it would (for diablo) be a mount initfs probably |
| 21:06.20 | Stskeeps | +remount rw |
| 21:06.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Ok, ta, it would be nice. I've got the settings part sorted, just having troubles when it comes to the if statements for the actuall install process |
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| 21:07.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, didn't know Tim has problems with his plumbing :p |
| 21:10.17 | zakkm | why would you need if statements in an install? |
| 21:10.25 | zakkm | you already know the hardware, the configs, etc |
| 21:11.45 | qwerty12_N800 | no no, i'm talking about the application manager like when it comes to install the application, if showlegal; etc if !showlegal; etc |
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| 21:13.21 | mfinkle_ | nemo: it's probably not any faster, but it might take longer to run out of memory |
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| 21:13.51 | lopz | hi |
| 21:13.55 | shapr | y0 |
| 21:14.13 | nemo | mfinkle_: ah. 'cause the fennec dev I was chatting with (are you one?) blamed it on the memory allocation |
| 21:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/nokia-survey-finds-that-many-americans-work-on-the-can-the-defi/ |
| 21:14.36 | nemo | mfinkle_: he said that fennec still, at present, required about 60 megs, and with this whole preloading thing, the N810 only had about 40 free by default |
| 21:14.52 | shapr | I want to try fennec! Where is it? |
| 21:14.59 | nemo | mfinkle_: personally, that seems like a lot of memory, my old laptop running seamonkey only needs like 15 megs for the suite |
| 21:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, still not in Extras-devel. . . . :P |
| 21:15.09 | shapr | bah |
| 21:15.10 | Pavlov | ... |
| 21:15.11 | Pavlov | ;p |
| 21:15.15 | mfinkle_ | 60 megs is way too high |
| 21:15.23 | Pavlov | yeah, 60 doesn't sound right at all |
| 21:15.36 | mfinkle_ | especially for 1 tab open |
| 21:15.37 | qwerty12_N800 | "durfs" with my tablet... |
| 21:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | Is that real MB or top "MB"? |
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| 21:16.23 | mfinkle_ | shapr: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fennec/1.0a1/releasenotes/ - 1 click install |
| 21:16.28 | shapr | yay! |
| 21:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | grumbles about the proliferation of 3rd-party repositories. . . . |
| 21:17.27 | mfinkle_ | life is about 3rd parties |
| 21:17.48 | mfinkle_ | (and we'll get there) |
| 21:17.50 | GeneralAntilles | 3rd party repositories hurt developers and hurt users. |
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| 21:17.59 | shapr | how so? |
| 21:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | (and hurt me :() |
| 21:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | Because it makes it harder for users to find software, and increases the likely hood them damaging their system. |
| 21:23.04 | qwerty12_N800 | wishes numptyphysics guy would upload to diablo extras too - hate having to add chinook extras |
| 21:23.07 | GeneralAntilles | It also makes my job harder, as instead of just saying to a user who wants to install x "Enable Extras and install x", I have to spend 5 minutes telling them how to add x's repository to h-a-m. |
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| 21:25.04 | EgS | GeneralAntilles: I'm pretty new to packing in general: what is needed to build a package of my app and make it available in an offical repo? |
| 21:25.14 | GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras |
| 21:25.15 | infobot | it has been said that uploading-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
| 21:25.40 | woglinde | EgS you have to look at the debian news maintainer guide |
| 21:25.46 | woglinde | with some tweaks for maemo |
| 21:25.57 | EgS | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 21:26.03 | EgS | woglinde: you mean regarding packing itself? |
| 21:26.11 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf |
| 21:26.12 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, wee, now will i be able to find the easter egg? |
| 21:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-packaging is http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf |
| 21:26.21 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 21:26.55 | EgS | GeneralAntilles: thanks again :) |
| 21:27.07 | qwerty12_N800 | (though i've seen what it is but...) |
| 21:27.26 | Stskeeps | god, #android attracts more trolls than a bridge |
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| 21:27.53 | Stskeeps | atleast the troll level in this channel isn't that high |
| 21:28.20 | GeneralAntilles | We only have to deal with Stskeeps. :P |
| 21:28.26 | shapr | snickers |
| 21:28.30 | EgS | GeneralAntilles: is there a separate repo or some keyword for CVS builds? |
| 21:29.24 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but i'm not completely against maemo :P |
| 21:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps is just against the open-source parts. |
| 21:30.20 | EgS | GeneralAntilles: uhm... I think that sounded stupid... I meant CVS-style-builds... some sort of nightly builds |
| 21:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | EgS, Extras-devel is for unstable stuff |
| 21:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 21:30.37 | infobot | from memory, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 21:30.59 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe not quite as unstable as nightlies, but alpha and beta stuff. |
| 21:32.32 | EgS | jeah but if you (the developer) sees that a new feature as reached some level of stability and usability one could build and upload a new package there to, right? |
| 21:32.44 | EgS | *has reached... |
| 21:33.26 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
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| 21:35.01 | EgS | thanks... I think I have to read up some stuff... until now I just upload the binary compiled in scratchbox to my webhost (well that was more a proof of concept that my app runs on maemo) |
| 21:35.25 | Stskeeps | wonders why there hasn't been a maemo vs android flamewar on ITT yet |
| 21:35.32 | Stskeeps | there's so much to grab at |
| 21:35.47 | EgS | :) |
| 21:35.59 | Stskeeps | then again, they do target two different things |
| 21:36.05 | inz | Sts, why don't you go create one? |
| 21:36.19 | Stskeeps | inz: i'm not that bored |
| 21:36.24 | woglinde | Stskeeps hm because its to diffrent |
| 21:36.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, fingers crossed there isn't one. i hear so much shit with those threads |
| 21:36.26 | inz | Sts, ...yet |
| 21:36.34 | woglinde | java vs. gtk |
| 21:36.41 | woglinde | glibc vs. bionic |
| 21:37.02 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 21:37.37 | EgS | java vs gtk? I thought it was Qt vs gtk ;) |
| 21:37.58 | Stskeeps | inz: heated discussions are only interesting if they have something constructive coming out of it :P |
| 21:38.38 | inz | Sts, so heated discussions are never interesting... ;) |
| 21:38.39 | woglinde | EgS android is using a java derivat |
| 21:39.24 | EgS | ooh right... I already left the android topic behind :) |
| 21:39.38 | woglinde | egs today the source code was opened |
| 21:39.49 | woglinde | tomorrow the deliver/selling of g1 begins |
| 21:41.14 | EgS | oh thats the cause for the increased android-noise :) |
| 21:41.22 | zakkm | android looks sick :) |
| 21:41.24 | Stskeeps | what i will give maemo however, it's polished, it has seamless connectivity, a vibrant hacking community, "open" structure of maemo.org , interaction directly with community on forums and such, and quite a lot of flexibility for experimentation |
| 21:41.50 | Mousey | Stskeeps: and nobody's gonna rape your system if they find an application they deem "unworthy" |
| 21:42.11 | Veggen | Stskeeps: google users are more of the kind that are happy to use what google gives them, even if it's just gratis and not free. |
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| 21:43.12 | Veggen | nothing wrong with gratis, but people should be more educated. Some people will gladly do things they are not allowed to do with google property because they think they are allowed since google provides it for free... |
| 21:44.32 | yacoob | why would there be a maemo vs android flame/ |
| 21:44.39 | yacoob | s#/#?# |
| 21:44.46 | yacoob | those are different things |
| 21:44.57 | gomiam | yacoob: because some people like to flame for the hell of it. |
| 21:45.01 | GeneralAntilles | Well, so are the iPhone and the tablets. |
| 21:45.17 | yacoob | gomiam, okay, here's something more challenging: iPhone vs Easter. |
| 21:45.26 | gomiam | XD |
| 21:45.44 | gomiam | that's an easy one: all iPhone users are heathens! |
| 21:45.53 | yacoob | now iphone vs g1 flame would have a grain of sense in that |
| 21:46.08 | yacoob | (if it's g1, not android) |
| 21:46.42 | Stskeeps | okay, my view on android is not so much the stuff itself, but the fact it's possible to adopt android to your device (arm only or x86 too), because the platform is open sourced. i can't easily build a maemo from scratch for another device |
| 21:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | It still cracks me up that all of the G1 pictures on the net show it will a lopsided display. |
| 21:46.49 | Stskeeps | maemo/ITOS |
| 21:46.59 | Stskeeps | and that is a bit of a game changer |
| 21:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | ITOS is deprecated. |
| 21:47.08 | woglinde | Stskeeps you can add other archs too |
| 21:47.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's like the old iMac all over again. |
| 21:47.23 | yacoob | Stskeeps, yeah. At the same time, all android software would have to be written from scratch |
| 21:47.24 | woglinde | I looked at the bionic stuff some minutes ago |
| 21:47.28 | yacoob | which is not that good either |
| 21:47.36 | Stskeeps | yacoob: that's true |
| 21:47.59 | Stskeeps | and that's a force for maemo that it's "backwards compatible" |
| 21:48.01 | Stskeeps | (posix..) |
| 21:48.04 | yacoob | to turn it around yet again, there's nothing worse than desktop app "ported" to tablet without changing the interface... :) |
| 21:48.32 | yacoob | Stskeeps, but users don't care. As in 'majority of users, that are at the same majority of cash flowing in' |
| 21:48.58 | yacoob | users will use things that are a/ flashy, b/ easy to grasp, c/ doing 80% of the good job |
| 21:49.05 | Stskeeps | but the fact they make apps from scratch, - we sortof do that too, we adopt with hildon to get power savings |
| 21:49.32 | yacoob | the % of people that care about posix compability and fact that you can ssh to your device is not important, business-wise |
| 21:49.35 | yacoob | sadly, but eh. |
| 21:50.18 | shapr | I care! |
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| 21:51.47 | Stskeeps | and android is in a position where there would be a shared platform for many different devices, and new apps would work instantly on any of them - a comparison might be pocketpc/windows mobile, which, amazingly, has a lot of apps and users |
| 21:52.00 | Stskeeps | no matter how crappy the OS |
| 21:52.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:52.31 | yacoob | that's very true. Say, have you seen Balmer today, fuming smoke and fire from his nostrils? |
| 21:52.54 | glass | Stskeeps: yeah.. if it gets popular the vm could be ported to whatever |
| 21:53.56 | yacoob | I've bought n810 as a palm replacement - to discover that it's get close, but sometimes not close enough :) I've probably start looking at android-powered something to replace n810 yet again, but that'd probably be end of next year |
| 21:54.07 | Stskeeps | and actually, i'd rather see nokia see the possibility for maemo as well in this field, but they might be too late out now |
| 21:54.15 | yacoob | when we'll have choice, lots of software, and we'll perfectly know limitations |
| 21:54.39 | yacoob | oh, and when they discover infinite batteries. That might take a bit longer than a year though... :) |
| 21:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'd wait for Maemo 5 and the N900 if you're talking late next year. :P |
| 21:56.31 | yacoob | That too :) |
| 21:57.01 | yacoob | (but there's kind of a chance that I'll be getting Android anyway... from my employer) |
| 22:00.39 | Stskeeps | what i'd really love to see nokia do is, realize maemo is a possibility for a general mobile device (non-phone, maybe voip) platform, research ways to easier port "desktop" apps (and not lay in bad hinderances/upstream incompatibilities), get off their high horse of closed source regarding seamless connectivity, ui items and such and live off the hardware and associated services, - so it's possible to make a maemo system from scratch, without in-maemo ... |
| 22:00.46 | Stskeeps | ... special things like wayfinder/map, media players and other differentiators |
| 22:01.11 | Stskeeps | that you can shop for and get from nokia for your own platform if you so desire, but provided along with tablets for free |
| 22:01.26 | Stskeeps | but this is probably not a good thing in terms of business |
| 22:01.29 | Stskeeps | and cost of R&D |
| 22:01.59 | yacoob | arent they doing exactly that for symbian? |
| 22:02.13 | yacoob | (pushing for universal mobile platform) |
| 22:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | I suspect Nokia has plans. |
| 22:02.51 | Stskeeps | yeah, maybe, but symbian is a bit akin to beating yourself with barbwire api wise afaik |
| 22:02.53 | GeneralAntilles | But they're probably too far in the future to really make a difference. |
| 22:03.23 | shapr | I did some Symbian dev when the Nokia 9210 was new, it sucked bad. |
| 22:03.25 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: they could really make a game changer with wimax/3g, agreed |
| 22:04.16 | shapr | Stskeeps: Yes, for once I agree with you. Autoflagellation with barbed wire describes Symbian development. |
| 22:05.01 | yacoob | I have a feeling that maemo is kinf of a pet project at nokia |
| 22:05.11 | yacoob | and they don't treat it very well |
| 22:05.32 | ljp | perhaps a big pet |
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| 22:05.34 | GeneralAntilles | They don't. |
| 22:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | It appears to be a bit of a running joke with the rest of the company. |
| 22:05.57 | ljp | not as big as s40/s60 |
| 22:06.14 | yacoob | corpo environment is perfect place for stuff like that happening :( |
| 22:06.31 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: phone companies are a funny bunch.. |
| 22:06.33 | yacoob | well, gotta go, battery almost empty |
| 22:06.47 | Stskeeps | or heavily engineer controlled ones |
| 22:06.51 | ljp | how does nokia not treat maemo well? |
| 22:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently they've had some internal pilot programs to use the tablets as productivity tools |
| 22:07.02 | GeneralAntilles | which've failed miserably. |
| 22:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | ljp, not enough resource allocation for one. |
| 22:07.55 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: if we skip 3-4 years ahead and pervasive computing has become daily life, nokia would have a ball with tablets and such |
| 22:07.58 | ljp | i think they have more people in maemo than all of qt software |
| 22:08.05 | Stskeeps | .. but that's a bit of a pipe dream |
| 22:08.46 | ljp | coming from the outside, nokia is a beast with a lot of processes and umm.. stuff |
| 22:09.02 | GeneralAntilles | ljp, you work for Qt Software? |
| 22:09.05 | ljp | yes |
| 22:09.15 | ljp | working on qt extended |
| 22:09.45 | GeneralAntilles | Agility is something big companies don't have. |
| 22:09.50 | ljp | i just think mameo and nokia needs to stramline and get better organized |
| 22:09.56 | lardman|tv | night all |
| 22:09.58 | ljp | maemo |
| 22:10.06 | yacoob | if we skip 3-4 years ahead, I'd love to see fully distributed computing |
| 22:10.08 | ljp | streamline |
| 22:10.21 | ljp | needs better thumbs |
| 22:10.29 | yacoob | storage in my backpack/jacket, computing power anywhere I go |
| 22:10.44 | yacoob | that's so not going to happen, but hey, gotta have some dreams, right? |
| 22:10.46 | Stskeeps | yacoob: cyber foraging would certainly be a nice things |
| 22:10.49 | Stskeeps | -s |
| 22:10.59 | Stskeeps | people at my uni research using nokia tablets in that |
| 22:11.37 | yacoob | any links you can give to read about it? |
| 22:12.00 | Stskeeps | yacoob: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rajesh/papers/sigops02.pdf |
| 22:12.20 | Stskeeps | (i think) |
| 22:12.33 | yacoob | thank you |
| 22:13.04 | yacoob | but it's just not going to happen in 3 years, or at least not at the scale I'd like to see it |
| 22:13.11 | yacoob | we don't even have technologies for that |
| 22:13.44 | Stskeeps | it's really getting tehre |
| 22:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | I want a major battery breakthrough between now and then. |
| 22:14.04 | yacoob | hopefully, I'm wishing it the best of luck :) |
| 22:14.05 | Stskeeps | a "cheap" tablet is a good step on the way |
| 22:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | Batteries are the achilles heel of mobile tech right now. |
| 22:14.41 | woglinde | GeneralAntilles right |
| 22:14.46 | Stskeeps | nokia got it right regarding some of the things to save power though |
| 22:14.54 | Stskeeps | i think 10 days idle is amazing, honestly |
| 22:15.04 | woglinde | hm but the fuel battery should be ready in one year |
| 22:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | Or 30, if you're insane like fanoush. :D |
| 22:15.09 | woglinde | then this is solved too |
| 22:15.10 | yacoob | If you haven't read Accelerando by Charles Stross, you might like it. It has gadgets like that ;) http://www.accelerando.org/_static/accelerando.html |
| 22:15.15 | Fatal | what was that 24h laptop HP had in store? |
| 22:15.22 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i think s2ram might have a renaissance when OHM comes in the picture |
| 22:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how fast is it? |
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| 22:15.59 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hm? |
| 22:16.11 | Stskeeps | s2ram and wake? |
| 22:16.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:16.15 | Stskeeps | quite fast, on n800 |
| 22:16.21 | Stskeeps | like 2-3 secs |
| 22:16.34 | Stskeeps | maybe less |
| 22:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming that you don't have any evil processes, does it actually provide a real benefit? |
| 22:16.42 | yacoob | night, people |
| 22:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | night |
| 22:16.59 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: s2ram? very deep sleep certainly helps on battery |
| 22:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I mean, with OMAP3, the CPU is turned off at idle anyway. |
| 22:17.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, but in s2ram system doesn't wake up until user wants it or an alarm is set, so |
| 22:17.42 | Stskeeps | which has advantages |
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| 22:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | Kinda feels like a workaround to badly behaving processes. |
| 22:20.53 | Stskeeps | well a select(), timeout 60 seconds.. is that a badly behaving process? |
| 22:22.05 | Stskeeps | even that timeout will make a difference in battery time |
| 22:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, fair enough. |
| 22:23.07 | Stskeeps | but i dunno :P |
| 22:23.20 | Stskeeps | not an engineer,s o |
| 22:23.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | Integrating it with s2ram might be nice. |
| 22:23.36 | GeneralAntilles | er |
| 22:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | s/s2ram/soft poweroff. |
| 22:24.25 | qwerty12_N800 | Can't do shit w/out code (s2ram is closed too) :/ |
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| 22:24.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: the .sh works |
| 22:24.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, really? never tried it |
| 22:25.05 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i used it in ireland |
| 22:25.22 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, ok, i'll grab it now |
| 22:25.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's just the watchdogs being evil, right? |
| 22:26.51 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but i kinda wonder cos it did manage to stay asleep for several hours at once, without system waking up as far as i could see |
| 22:27.01 | Stskeeps | for kicking watchdog |
| 22:27.07 | GeneralAntilles | File an enhancement request about it? |
| 22:28.07 | Stskeeps | i think the primary s2ram problem was dsp related, so dsptasks should finish running before s2ram or something |
| 22:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | Outline what you can of the issue and file a bug. |
| 22:28.22 | Stskeeps | and stuff like OHM would help this |
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| 22:28.30 | GeneralAntilles | Unlikely to be fixed for Diablo, but maybe Fremantle. |
| 22:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing's going to change, anyway, if they're not aware of the problem. ;) |
| 22:29.12 | Stskeeps | well it's not so much a maemo bug honestly |
| 22:29.20 | Stskeeps | it's an architecture "feature" |
| 22:29.48 | Stskeeps | and when they get upstart+ohm, it will be a matter of signaling to dsp tasks to shut down for suspend to ram |
| 22:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | Outline the requirements for having s2ram work in Fremantle. |
| 22:29.58 | woglinde | nite |
| 22:30.10 | GeneralAntilles | Just do whatever you need to do to make Eero aware. :P |
| 22:30.25 | Stskeeps | "GeneralAntills told me to write this at gun point"? |
| 22:30.28 | Stskeeps | +e |
| 22:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | Exactly. |
| 22:31.48 | Stskeeps | added to my todo :P |
| 22:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure you CC David and Eero. |
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| 22:34.38 | Stskeeps | will you pester them about DSME then? :P i really wonder about nokia is fooling around with these days regarding upstart and ohm though.. and it's a shame their OS work isn't public like HAF |
| 22:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | Quim said it's waiting on David to find the time to finish up. |
| 22:35.41 | qwerty12_N800 | By finishing up, taking stuff out ... |
| 22:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there's been some stuff removed. |
| 22:36.13 | GeneralAntilles | (which Quim doesn't seem to think is a bad thing) |
| 22:36.16 | Stskeeps | oh, right, i should add "document CAL" to my todo |
| 22:36.38 | Stskeeps | think i have all the stuff to read/write now |
| 22:37.02 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, qwerty12_N800: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 |
| 22:37.56 | GeneralAntilles | DSME brightness bullshit: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1261 |
| 22:37.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks |
| 22:38.45 | GeneralAntilles | Now that's gone and made me pissy about Nokia not participating in Bugzilla. |
| 22:38.48 | GeneralAntilles | sighs again. |
| 22:38.59 | Stskeeps | goes write libaltcal or something |
| 22:39.35 | lcuk | ponders |
| 22:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | now has room for two more monitors. |
| 22:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad I'm out of graphics cards. |
| 22:39.59 | lcuk | heh what did u toss |
| 22:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | Rearranged things a bit and moved one (with the Mac mini) to the bedroom. |
| 22:40.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: does any other nokia phones do CAL btw? |
| 22:40.35 | lcuk | for a minute there i read that a s bathroom |
| 22:40.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, nah |
| 22:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if I owned my own home it so totally would be. |
| 22:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | Home theater in the tub |
| 22:41.07 | lcuk | i dont doubt it |
| 22:41.45 | lcuk | is liqbase in extras yet? i cant refresh list on either machine |
| 22:42.27 | GeneralAntilles | Appears so: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/l/liqbase/ |
| 22:42.36 | lcuk | :) |
| 22:43.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Yes, it has appeared in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages |
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| 22:46.51 | lcuk | :) again thx qwerty12_N800 |
| 22:47.44 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, just upgraded :) |
| 22:48.57 | qwerty12_N800 | someone should prod maemo ftp guy to upload to extras |
| 22:49.40 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, wut is http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5854/liq20081021234506unameafh0.png btw? |
| 22:49.52 | lcuk | heh :D |
| 22:50.04 | lcuk | an unfinished experiment |
| 22:50.28 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
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| 22:51.12 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=232068&postcount=122 |
| 22:51.46 | lcuk | and i was meant to replace it last night with something (part of the easter egg) but ran out of time and i had a line drawn :) |
| 22:51.48 | lcuk | it can wait |
| 22:52.02 | qwerty12_N800 | i see, thanks |
| 22:52.08 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 22:52.21 | lcuk | o/ |
| 22:52.39 | lcuk | damn these ascii men |
| 22:52.54 | lcuk | doin that in msn messenger got me an old man waving his cane |
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| 22:53.56 | qwerty12_N800 | wow, didn't know msn could predict futures |
| 22:53.56 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, is the flash working on the camera btw |
| 22:54.02 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:54.12 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, yeah :) |
| 22:54.14 | qwerty12_N800 | :D |
| 22:54.44 | lcuk | is liqbase multimedia |
| 22:54.59 | qwerty12_N800 | ? |
| 22:55.05 | qwerty12_N800 | oh |
| 22:55.08 | lcuk | category for maemo.org listing |
| 22:56.00 | lcuk | how do i make a .install file, or dont i |
| 22:56.07 | qwerty12_N800 | you should set brightness to full before doing the flash :D but would take a lot of time |
| 22:56.12 | zakkm | You guys think the price of the N800 will lower considerably some time soon? |
| 22:56.18 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 22:56.25 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, the maemo catalogue can do it for you iurc |
| 22:56.33 | qwerty12_N800 | *iirc |
| 22:56.35 | GeneralAntilles | Seeing how there's now a fixed supply. |
| 22:56.37 | lcuk | yeah thought so |
| 22:56.59 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what section is the package in? |
| 22:57.09 | qwerty12_N800 | if not, edit another page and steal theirs and just change the package name |
| 22:57.35 | qwerty12_N800 | Section: user/other |
| 22:57.39 | lcuk | user/other |
| 22:57.52 | qwerty12_N800 | (dpkg -s ftw) |
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| 22:58.06 | lcuk | i still had the page up you linked to before |
| 22:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | Still no build numbers in the version string. :P |
| 22:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | Unrelated, why does nobody ever use the updating field when packaging? |
| 22:59.39 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, btw, you dont display text boxes during install right (eg northerners speak funny...)? |
| 22:59.51 | lcuk | no.. |
| 22:59.58 | lcuk | svn rm ... |
| 23:00.08 | lcuk | though the .qwerty ones are there |
| 23:00.18 | qwerty12_N800 | remove the maemo-installer-utils dependecy then |
| 23:00.20 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 23:00.37 | GeneralAntilles | To packagers: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html |
| 23:01.41 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, the "Package maintainer harassment" wiki page sounds like a better and better idea. |
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| 23:01.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Oops, i've been formatting my Maemo-Icon-26 wrong |
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| 23:07.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, maybe emails is the wrong approach |
| 23:09.42 | ljp | yes! send a fax! |
| 23:12.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, I'm thinking a general outline of some Maemo packaging quirks is better than a bunch of emails to sent to packagers who aren't using them correctly. |
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| 23:20.23 | qwerty12_N800 | night |
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| 23:27.01 | lcuk | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ |
| 23:34.01 | GeneralAntilles | Shitty first draft: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Sections |
| 23:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to jump in. |
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| 23:37.15 | fie3 | So how about this one? http://www.semsons.com/ibhiseaublgp.html |
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| 23:38.55 | Macer_ | hi |
| 23:39.04 | GeneralAntilles | fie3, why not get the one I linked? |
| 23:39.21 | `Mace | what a let down.. vmware esx only supports like 3 types of nics |
| 23:39.24 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, That one is high-sensitivity.... so I can use it inside.... hopefully. |
| 23:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | Um |
| 23:39.42 | GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737 works just fine inside. |
| 23:39.43 | `Mace | intel ... braodcomm and some other one.. forget which one |
| 23:40.08 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, oh really? |
| 23:40.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 23:40.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's a great unit. |
| 23:40.20 | fie3 | There's like 8 different 737s |
| 23:40.53 | fie3 | greater time for acquisition? |
| 23:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | There are older ones and newer ones |
| 23:40.58 | fie3 | if you're inside? |
| 23:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | The one on amazon is newer |
| 23:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | a little |
| 23:41.10 | GeneralAntilles | It holds a lock fine once it's got it, though. |
| 23:41.44 | fie3 | I"m just looking at my options... the prices aren't too much different. |
| 23:41.58 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, it's actually from the same store.. |
| 23:42.00 | GeneralAntilles | 5Hz might not be a bad purchase. |
| 23:42.14 | fie3 | 5Hz? What does that relate to? |
| 23:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | It can report 5 times a second |
| 23:42.41 | fie3 | Oooo |
| 23:42.46 | GeneralAntilles | as opposed to just 1Hz with normal units. |
| 23:42.47 | fie3 | Higher refresh rate... that's cool. |
| 23:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | Not any more accurate or faster, per se |
| 23:43.05 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, Have you seen the iphone gps? |
| 23:43.06 | fie3 | It's shit. |
| 23:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | but it'll give you smoother tracks. |
| 23:43.23 | fie3 | It's like maybe one refresh every 2 or 3 seconds. |
| 23:43.47 | Mousey | HOLY CRAPOLA, my n810 was REPAIRED AND IS COMING HOME!! |
| 23:44.10 | Mousey | scurries around, busily setting up homecoming party! |
| 23:44.47 | Mousey | sorry to interrupt.. i just can't think of another channel that would even remotely care |
| 23:45.00 | fie3 | Mousey, what was the issue? |
| 23:45.07 | Mousey | fie3: dead screen |
| 23:45.11 | fie3 | Mousey, ouch |
| 23:45.15 | Mousey | yah, second time |
| 23:45.22 | fie3 | cause? |
| 23:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | Display cable |
| 23:45.32 | GeneralAntilles | Seems to be an issue with N810s. . . . |
| 23:45.37 | Mousey | nah, it was weird, it had weird lines and colors |
| 23:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 23:45.46 | GeneralAntilles | Well, could still be the cable. |
| 23:45.51 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, WOW http://www.semsons.com/i737blgps5hz.html 2.5m |
| 23:45.56 | `Mace | i thought the battery was the cause of such things? |
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| 23:46.27 | Mousey | now i can think about getting that 32GB MicroSD card i've always wanted |
| 23:46.42 | GeneralAntilles | `Mace, what does the battery have to do with the LCD? |
| 23:46.52 | Mousey | well the stylus is the key |
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| 23:47.01 | lopz | hi |
| 23:47.02 | Mousey | because it's between the battery and the lcd, warding off evil spirits |
| 23:47.11 | fie3 | o-O |
| 23:47.12 | fie3 | lol |
| 23:47.36 | fie3 | Anyone else have the power button issue? |
| 23:49.04 | GeneralAntilles | Power button issue? |
| 23:49.13 | Mousey | nope, just you |
| 23:50.09 | ljp | power button issue is when your 1 year old keeps pushing hte power button? |
| 23:50.46 | Mousey | oh, i thought power button issues were soemthing you got a power button shrink for |
| 23:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | These days they just give you a pill for it. |
| 23:51.12 | `Mace | GeneralAntilles: could have sworn there was a known issue with the battery causing the lcd to do that |
| 23:51.22 | `Mace | i have the same problem on my n800 |
| 23:51.26 | Mousey | my lcd was seriously b0rk'd |
| 23:51.31 | `Mace | lines going across the screen |
| 23:51.40 | `Mace | colorful lines |
| 23:51.42 | Mousey | well these lines wen down the screen, and only in one corner |
| 23:51.50 | Mousey | wen=went |
| 23:52.05 | `Mace | have to yank the battery for a bit and put it back in to get it going again |
| 23:52.39 | Mousey | i'm gonna be sad if my tablet breaks again, its almost outta warranty! ;_; |
| 23:53.48 | Mousey | i can't wait to get it back and mess with the randr stuff and this liqbase thing that keeps getting hyped. |
| 23:53.49 | Mousey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.56 | Mousey | now if i could just print! |
| 23:56.12 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, When I first got my n810 the power button wouldn't work. |
| 23:56.23 | fie3 | I'd sit there and press it for about 10 minutes then it would finally work. |
| 23:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, the NOLO issue, maybe? |
| 23:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | That didn't affect many N810s. |
| 23:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | It was primarily an N800 issue |
| 23:56.56 | GeneralAntilles | and it's long be fixed, anyway. |
| 23:57.23 | fie3 | I had the problem initially... the first thing I did after I got it turned on was upgrade the software. |
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| 23:57.27 | fie3 | and still had the problem. |
| 23:57.47 | GeneralAntilles | Not the NOLO issue then. |
| 23:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | Never heard of it. |
| 23:58.46 | lcuk | :D my easter egg was discovered |
| 23:59.41 | fie3 | Apparently the battery had died on it anyway, finally after plugging the power in about 80 times it started charging up then finally when I got it turned on it was corrupted or something.... it would boot and then end up going to a white screen that I remember would like change if you pressed the screen or something like that. I dunno. |
