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| 00:34.51 | nelson | I wonder what triggers the LED to go to PatternPsychedelia |
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| 00:36.32 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think anything does. |
| 00:36.36 | GeneralAntilles | You'd have to trigger it yourself. |
| 00:36.44 | zakkm | The person i was going to buy the nokia 800 didnt show up -.-( was buying off someone from craigslist ) |
| 00:36.53 | zakkm | Does anyone know a way i can buy one? used preferably |
| 00:36.57 | zakkm | live in Toronto, Canada |
| 00:36.57 | |rt| | in ssh how do you press alt? |
| 00:40.13 | nelson | GeneralAntilles: so ti's just an easter egg, I guess. |
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| 00:42.48 | zakkm | Is $180 CAD, a lot for the Nokia 800 used? |
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| 00:48.19 | doc|home | zakkm: yeah |
| 00:49.09 | zakkm | it is? |
| 00:49.13 | zakkm | how much should i be buying it for? |
| 00:50.32 | doc|home | I got mine new for 269 this time last year |
| 00:51.04 | zakkm | Someone is selling used $250 |
| 00:51.06 | zakkm | but i think its too much |
| 00:51.08 | doc|home | heh |
| 00:51.20 | zakkm | i was suppose to buy n 800 today.. for $150 -used |
| 00:51.23 | zakkm | person didnt show up -.- |
| 00:52.14 | doc|home | hmmm, I bought mine, pricematched, at ncix.com. Thought the price would have come down more |
| 00:52.28 | doc|home | can't remember where i got that price from though |
| 00:52.54 | zakkm | they dont sell n800's anymmmroe |
| 00:53.01 | doc|home | nope |
| 00:53.12 | zakkm | they do in brazil but... |
| 00:53.19 | zakkm | more than buying a n810 in store here.. price wise |
| 00:54.34 | doc|home | hmmm, none of the comparison sites have anything useful either |
| 00:55.39 | doc|home | all out of ideas, sorry |
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| 01:00.29 | zakkm | haha its okay, thanks |
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| 01:47.01 | voider | hi guys |
| 01:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hello |
| 01:47.56 | voider | quick dev questions: I'm trying to test getting location from gps (sdk 4.1), and apparently there is no location library on my system |
| 01:48.06 | voider | I can compile, but the linker can't find symbols |
| 01:48.11 | voider | I'm compiling with this: |
| 01:48.20 | voider | g++ main.cc -o main `pkg-config --cflags --libs liblocation` |
| 01:48.43 | voider | Does someone know why I can have the headers, but not the lib? |
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| 01:56.07 | voider | heh |
| 02:11.09 | TokyoDan | How can I see my ip address on my N810? |
| 02:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's in connection manager, appropriately enough. |
| 02:12.07 | TokyoDan | I mean for USB networking |
| 02:12.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's whatever you set it to be. |
| 02:12.30 | TokyoDan | I trying to setup a ssh session for Eclipse-Pluthon. |
| 02:13.02 | TokyoDan | Yeah, But I set it a long time ago and forgot it like an idiot. |
| 02:13.25 | TokyoDan | is there a console commnd like ifconfig? |
| 02:13.43 | GeneralAntilles | ifconfig? |
| 02:14.09 | TokyoDan | I guess that's a windows command. |
| 02:14.21 | TokyoDan | for seeing network settings. |
| 02:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 02:14.48 | GeneralAntilles | What I meant is |
| 02:14.53 | TokyoDan | a maemo Linux command |
| 02:15.01 | GeneralAntilles | Is ifconfig enough like ifconfig for you? . . . . |
| 02:16.00 | TokyoDan | I'm not following you. I get ifconfig not found. |
| 02:16.19 | GeneralAntilles | Works here |
| 02:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.26 | TokyoDan | i started up my Xterm on my N810 and type "ifconfig". But It gives me "ifconfig: not found". |
| 02:17.35 | TokyoDan | Tanks I'll try that. |
| 02:17.37 | GeneralAntilles | Try it as root? |
| 02:18.19 | TokyoDan | That worked. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:19.48 | Gracana | /sbin and /usr/sbin aren't in your path by default, if you add them you can run those commands without being root (and without root privileges, of course) |
| 02:21.57 | TokyoDan | Thanks Gracana. |
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| 02:26.56 | TokyoDan | what file would have the ipaddress. When I installed PCConnectivity I wrote the IP address down somewher but lost track of that. |
| 02:28.25 | Gracana | ifconfig will show you. ifconfig wlan0, I believe. It will output several lines, one of which says inet addr:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 02:29.00 | Gracana | Or you can just run ifconfig and scroll to find the appropriate device/line |
| 02:29.46 | TokyoDan | thanks again |
| 02:30.02 | Gracana | no problem |
| 02:33.09 | TokyoDan | I see an IP address. Is there a file where I can edit it? |
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| 02:39.47 | lcuk | is sad |
| 02:41.11 | GAN800 | There there |
| 02:41.22 | GAN800 | pats lcuk on the shoulder. |
| 02:41.59 | lcuk | im gonna be responsible for more full partitions than anything else :'( |
| 02:42.42 | lcuk | ive linked in the camera and screenshot taking ability directly into liqbase on the fullscreen key |
| 02:42.55 | lcuk | you can view them in the image viewer thingy |
| 02:45.59 | lcuk | i can finally put a face to a name if i simply take a snap whilst meeting them and write down notes as i currently do:) |
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| 02:59.52 | zakkm | lcuk: person went to the mall 2min from my house, i went to a mall that took me a 45min bus each way -.- |
| 03:00.10 | zakkm | lcuk: still dont have it yet :( |
| 03:00.47 | lcuk | gah! |
| 03:01.04 | zakkm | he said maybe tomorrow .. so I dont know yet |
| 03:01.10 | lcuk | heh |
| 03:01.20 | zakkm | hes willing to sell for $150 .. which is all im willing to pay |
| 03:01.58 | zakkm | Does the nokia's webcam work in flash player? on n800? |
| 03:02.12 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 03:02.15 | zakkm | damn :( |
| 03:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | Flash 9 doesn't support v4l2 |
| 03:02.42 | zakkm | thats what the camera is? |
| 03:02.45 | zakkm | v4l2? |
| 03:02.59 | zakkm | ahh only v4l2 recognizes it? |
| 03:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video4Linux |
| 03:03.13 | zakkm | i know what v4l is |
| 03:03.19 | zakkm | didnt know there was a v2 too |
| 03:03.21 | zakkm | though* |
| 03:04.18 | zakkm | is videochat in gizmo smooth? |
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| 03:19.09 | lcuk | GAN800, http://liqbase.net/#images |
| 03:20.24 | zakkm | Is maemo opensource? |
| 03:20.39 | lcuk | some of it |
| 03:22.32 | zakkm | Is diablo the same as OS2008? just "faster" and bug fixes? |
| 03:22.35 | zakkm | like the UI ? |
| 03:22.41 | zakkm | diablo the same as chinook* |
| 03:23.18 | GAN800 | See the wikipedia article. |
| 03:23.58 | GAN800 | lcuk, nice |
| 03:24.05 | zakkm | Also, is scuumvm worth while on it? |
| 03:24.21 | GAN800 | Works fine |
| 03:25.46 | lcuk | GAN800, my head has exploded due to the recursion |
| 03:25.56 | zakkm | When is Freemantle suppose to come out ( looking at maemo wikipedia ) ? |
| 03:26.09 | GAN800 | There isn't a date |
| 03:26.17 | GAN800 | Maybe summer 2009 |
| 03:26.33 | zakkm | oh .. far |
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| 04:26.47 | johnx | Macer, hallo? |
| 04:28.53 | TokyoDan | rying to get PC Connectivity running on my N810. I go into theUSB Networking control panel and click "Setup USB networking". I can see via ifconfig that my ip address is 192.168.1.15. In the /etc/network/interfaces file the settings for usb0 inet static are: address 192.168.1.15; netmask 255.255.255.0; gateway 192.168.1.14. My mac's ipaddress is 192.168.1.5; netmask 255.255.255.0; gateway 192.168.1.1. |
| 04:28.53 | TokyoDan | [1:28pm] TokyoDan: then I connect the USB cable to the two and the N810 says USB Connected followed by USB Disconnected. I think this is correct because the N810's disks aren't mounted on my Mac desktop. But when I try to ping 192.168.1.15 from my mac I get no route to host / host is down. WhaT am I doing wrong? |
| 04:31.01 | johnx | what's the IP address of your Mac's other net connection? is it also on the 192.168.1.0 network? |
| 04:32.14 | TokyoDan | What other connection. My ethernet is 192.168.1.5 |
| 04:32.49 | johnx | alright, so what's the IP of the USB connection on the Mac's side? |
| 04:33.25 | TokyoDan | no USB connection appears on the Mac |
| 04:33.44 | TokyoDan | in network control panel |
| 04:33.59 | johnx | errr...just run ifconfig -a from the Mac command line |
| 04:34.17 | TokyoDan | ok |
| 04:34.52 | TokyoDan | nothing about USB |
| 04:35.31 | johnx | it might not be called "usb" The mac will probably think about it as a normal ethernet adapter attached my USB |
| 04:35.38 | TokyoDan | just en0: 192.168.1.5 |
| 04:36.08 | johnx | I wonder if it needs a driver... |
| 04:36.20 | TokyoDan | there are no other I addresses displayed. |
| 04:36.54 | johnx | it's not showing the tablet's sd cards on the Mac now, right? |
| 04:37.19 | TokyoDan | Once when I plugged the USB cable in my Mac popped up a new interface added dialog which went away before I could do anything with it. but it never appears anymore. |
| 04:37.36 | TokyoDan | no SD cards. |
| 04:37.38 | johnx | interesting |
| 04:38.24 | TokyoDan | Because I clicked the Setup USB Networking in the N810 USB Networking control panel that is installed with the PC Connectivity package. |
| 04:39.20 | johnx | does ifconfig on the tablet still show the usb iface as up? |
| 04:39.23 | TokyoDan | If I restart the N810 and don't click Setup USB Networkng I can get the SD cards mounted on the Mac desktop. |
| 04:39.49 | TokyoDan | yes |
| 04:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it needs a driver. |
| 04:40.39 | TokyoDan | which needs a driver? |
| 04:41.16 | TokyoDan | Funny thing is it was working a month ago. I could ping the N810 from my mac. But now I can't |
| 04:41.29 | TokyoDan | I could also ssh to the n810 |
| 04:42.04 | TokyoDan | the usb IP adderess of the N810 is 192.168.1.15 |
| 04:42.20 | TokyoDan | mac is 192.168.1.5 |
| 04:42.41 | johnx | did they have different IPs a month ago? |
| 04:42.57 | TokyoDan | the gateways are different but I think it doesn't matter cause the mac's gateway in my router, |
| 04:43.56 | TokyoDan | I don't now what the N810's gateway is for. ITs set at 192.168.1.14. tried setting it to the samp IP as my mac and the router too. |
| 04:44.31 | johnx | I'm just a little curious about how your Mac is handling two different devices on the same network...but maybe my IPv4 is rusty |
| 04:46.01 | TokyoDan | Johnx. When I installed PC Connectivity, the IPs were set at 192.9.2.x and I couldn't ping so I edited the interfaces file on the N810 to 192.168.1.x and then could png. But today when I looked at the interfaces file the ips reverted to 192.168.2.x for some reason. But anything I do doesn't work. |
| 04:47.21 | TokyoDan | i think the USB network will be different than the ethernet network. Maybe the Mac should act as a router but I can't get the mac to show / add a new interface. |
| 04:47.43 | johnx | well, GeneralAntilles thinks you need a driver |
| 04:47.58 | johnx | and I think you should leave the n8x0 on the 192.168.2.x net |
| 04:48.26 | TokyoDan | Once a new interface dialog popped up on the Mac when connected the N810 via USB. But the dialog went away just as quick as it appeared. |
| 04:49.27 | TokyoDan | I see. So then the Mac should act as router between the 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x networks. |
| 04:49.45 | johnx | That's my thinking |
| 04:49.53 | johnx | or rather, that's how I'd do it |
| 04:50.14 | TokyoDan | well I set the N810 back to the original IPs and restart everything and see what happens. |
| 04:50.34 | TokyoDan | Thanks for your suggestions. |
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| 05:08.59 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just use wifi ssh? . . . |
| 05:17.12 | ds3 | what's the going price for a dead 770? |
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| 05:18.10 | Luria | how much you willing to pay me to take it? |
| 05:18.18 | ds3 | $0.50 |
| 05:18.25 | Luria | yo johnx |
| 05:18.29 | ds3 | all I want is the plastics |
| 05:18.40 | Luria | thats the future, my boy. |
| 05:18.41 | johnx_ | hey Luria |
| 05:18.45 | ds3 | got this wild idea of sticking in OMAP3 guts with a N810 LCD |
| 05:18.59 | ds3 | but I really really like the 'armouring' on the 770 |
| 05:19.04 | Luria | just dropped $390 ar on a graphics card |
| 05:19.43 | johnx | a little steep |
| 05:19.55 | johnx | for gaming or serious CAD? |
| 05:20.06 | Luria | neither actually |
| 05:20.10 | Luria | gaming, sure |
| 05:20.17 | Luria | but cuda is interesting to me |
| 05:20.21 | johnx | aaah |
| 05:20.33 | Luria | limited me to 2.5 cards |
| 05:20.40 | Luria | and now that cs4 is cuda aware |
| 05:21.00 | ds3 | am I the only one that likes the armouring on the 770? |
| 05:21.07 | Luria | plus a friend of mine had a visualization lab, i want to put it against his quadro |
| 05:21.10 | Luria | ds3 - yes |
| 05:21.16 | johnx | ds3, it's a neat idea, but it's overkill |
| 05:21.33 | johnx | my n800 has held up just fine in pockets and bags for the last year and a half |
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| 05:22.14 | ds3 | johnx: and you are not worry about crushing the screen through the pouch? |
| 05:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | Not at all. |
| 05:22.23 | johnx | what pouch? |
| 05:22.32 | johnx | I never got a pouch |
| 05:22.33 | Luria | have had no probs with either n810 or n800 |
| 05:22.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's not like it's a particularly fragile screen |
| 05:22.35 | ds3 | the leather pouch |
| 05:22.46 | johnx | I just throw it loose in my backpack/bag or pocket |
| 05:22.49 | ds3 | Hmmm |
| 05:22.57 | GeneralAntilles | Kinda looks like this: http://talkaboutnseries.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-pouch.jpg |
| 05:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | They're really fairly durable devices. |
| 05:23.22 | johnx | no visible screen scratches and actually even the plastic looks ok, except where I dropped it on concrete a couple times |
| 05:23.27 | Gracana | A this: http://pocketables.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/06/n800_unbox_case2.jpg |
| 05:23.46 | ds3 | I should take a picture of my Treo 650's hard case... about 2years worth of wear and it looks like someone tossed in a blender for a day |
| 05:23.47 | johnx | you guys with your fancy retail box accessories :P |
| 05:23.52 | Gracana | haha |
| 05:23.58 | Gracana | How come you didn't get that stuff? |
| 05:24.04 | johnx | demo/floor model |
| 05:24.08 | Gracana | ah |
| 05:24.20 | johnx | 30% off in march 2007 was too good to pass up |
| 05:24.28 | ds3 | johnx: in japan? |
| 05:24.39 | johnx | ds3, nope, right before I left for Japan |
| 05:24.46 | ds3 | oh |
| 05:25.07 | Gracana | It's awkward for me to keep electronics in my pockets, I have wallet and ID cards on one side and my keys on the other, there just isn't enough room. |
| 05:25.16 | johnx | you need more pockets :) |
| 05:25.25 | GeneralAntilles | You need what some people like to call "back pockets" |
| 05:25.40 | johnx | back pockets are only a last resort |
| 05:25.45 | Gracana | ehh I don't like putting things in my back pockets |
| 05:25.55 | johnx | you need proper pants with at least 6 pockets |
| 05:25.55 | Gracana | I have a bony butt >.> |
| 05:26.06 | Luria | eh, i forget my n810 in my jeans back pocket, metal frame ftw |
| 05:26.10 | Gracana | provides information; too much of it |
| 05:26.32 | Gracana | I' |
| 05:26.34 | Gracana | blargh |
| 05:26.34 | ds3 | my pockets are about the height of a table top which means I can do a lot of damage if I bump into a table corner |
| 05:27.00 | johnx | ds3, hence cargo pants with pockets at knee height |
| 05:27.02 | Gracana | I'm not a fan of putting things in lower pockets (like on the thighs in cargo pants) because I just end up hitting it when I run or skateboard |
| 05:27.16 | Luria | you know, there should be a #hotdeals |
| 05:27.32 | Luria | im trying to figure out if the gtx 280 sc was worth it |
| 05:27.34 | Gracana | A DX cluster for shopping |
| 05:27.45 | ds3 | johnx: that sounds worse... I crawl around a lot to look at stuff (wiring, etc) |
| 05:28.08 | Luria | i guess i ended up buying the physx card |
| 05:28.13 | johnx | I guess they're more thigh height now that I think of it *shrugs* |
| 05:31.36 | Luria | johnx, any thoughts on cuda? you seemed... not disagreeable |
| 05:32.16 | johnx | it's an interesting concept, but I just threw about the same amount of money at a pandora as you did at a cuda. Priorities I guess :) |
| 05:32.31 | johnx | plus, it doesn't look like anything takes advantage of it under linux yet |
| 05:32.37 | ds3 | when do you expect delivery of the Pandora? |
| 05:32.52 | Luria | uh, dude, weve been hanging out in #openpandora together since the 30th |
| 05:33.12 | johnx | well, I was within the first 15 minutes of orders, so if they end up going by first come, first served...maybe around halfway through november? |
| 05:33.28 | johnx | Luria, ahaha |
| 05:33.32 | johnx | facepalms |
| 05:33.44 | ds3 | that's pretty quick... |
| 05:34.13 | Luria | ah power vr vs gtx 200 |
| 05:34.17 | Luria | heh |
| 05:34.17 | johnx | Luria, sorry. I suck at attaching names to conversations :/ |
| 05:34.22 | Luria | np |
| 05:34.45 | Luria | speaking of powervr |
| 05:34.53 | Luria | anyone remember the matrox m3d |
| 05:35.03 | Luria | i just found mine |
| 05:35.56 | johnx | I'm surprised that tile based rendering didn't really catch on widely...but also didn't die off |
| 05:36.04 | johnx | must be patents I guess? |
| 05:36.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.woot.com/ |
| 05:37.02 | johnx | nice and cheap |
| 05:37.13 | Luria | not bad |
| 05:37.23 | Luria | but i never use my bluespoon |
| 05:37.24 | GeneralAntilles | Plantronics seems to make decent stuff. |
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| 05:37.38 | Luria | yeah i like my plantronics usb headset |
| 05:37.39 | johnx | I already have combo bt headphones/headset, otherwise...I might be tempted |
| 05:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | continues waiting on the logo svgs. . . . |
| 05:38.57 | Gracana | I'm waiting on my 2 power squids from woot a couple tuesdays ago. |
| 05:39.09 | Luria | mmmm sushi |
| 05:39.32 | johnx | waits on a build of illume |
| 05:39.35 | Gracana | I've got 2 outlets by my computers here, it'll be really nice to have them. |
| 05:39.40 | johnx | mmm sashimi |
| 05:39.49 | Luria | toro ftw |
| 05:40.10 | Gracana | has two computers, speakers, two monitors, a laptop, a ps3, a fan, a lamp, a network switch, :| |
| 05:40.21 | Luria | 20amps ftw |
| 05:40.38 | johnx | heh...I keep tripping the 30amp breaker in my apartment |
| 05:40.40 | Luria | just got $25 newegg gb 8-port |
| 05:40.51 | Luria | use a penny |
| 05:40.55 | Gracana | :X |
| 05:40.57 | Luria | nothing will break |
| 05:41.48 | johnx | will a one yen piece work? |
| 05:41.48 | johnx | dunno if I have any pennies at hand... |
| 05:42.04 | Luria | pennys have better thermal conductivity, surface relative to mass |
| 05:42.20 | Luria | oh shit, i need a new psu for my "new" 8 core box |
| 05:42.58 | ds3 | johnx: what do you plan to use the pandora for? games ? |
| 05:43.01 | Luria | sad that fire promoting electrical plans made me think of that |
| 05:43.09 | Luria | chronotrigger |
| 05:43.13 | Luria | and sf2 |
| 05:43.22 | Luria | thats what my pandora will do |
| 05:43.26 | Gracana | I would advise against using a penny for a circuit breaker. |
| 05:43.30 | Luria | packet injection, if it can |
| 05:43.34 | johnx | ds3, games, web browsing, dictionary, video |
| 05:43.37 | johnx | probably not music |
| 05:43.46 | ds3 | so differnent things then the N800 |
| 05:44.06 | Gracana | If anything /does/ go wrong, you've got your entire 200A service (maybe 100A if you're lucky) to dump through your house wiring. |
| 05:44.12 | johnx | Gracana, yeah. one of those little aluminum one yen pieces will work much better :) |
| 05:44.12 | Gracana | And that would be a tough insurance claim to make. |
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| 05:44.23 | Gracana | :| |
| 05:44.33 | Luria | live dangerously |
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| 05:44.47 | ds3 | Gracana: maybe his house is wired with 1/2" dia solid copper bars ;) |
| 05:44.58 | Gracana | I hope so. |
| 05:45.00 | |thunder | mine seems to be |
| 05:45.16 | Luria | 28 awg |
| 05:45.17 | |thunder | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.31 | Luria | thats called at&t |
| 05:45.37 | GeneralAntilles | Gracana, I've got at least double that. :P |
| 05:45.48 | johnx | heh...I don't even have ground pins on my outlets :) |
| 05:45.50 | Gracana | :P |
| 05:46.08 | ds3 | johnx: aren't there parts of japan on DC? |
| 05:46.24 | johnx | ds3, maybe in the middle of nowhere? |
| 05:46.36 | johnx | but I was in the town next to the middle of nowhere and the still had 100v AC |
| 05:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | Top-of-the-line APC UPS (consumer grade), and two more 8-port strips. |
| 05:46.45 | ds3 | I heard Japan has 2 different power systems |
| 05:46.49 | johnx | half of the country is on 50Hz and half on 60Hz though |
| 05:46.59 | ds3 | Oh just the freq difference |
| 05:47.01 | |thunder | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.19 | johnx | ds3, yeah. screwed me up though. I brought an alarm clock over |
| 05:47.25 | ds3 | oh ahahha |
| 05:47.41 | johnx | plugged my US 110-120v 60Hz clock into a 100v 50Hz outlet |
| 05:47.44 | johnx | guess what happened? |
| 05:47.49 | bef0rd | boom? |
| 05:47.50 | johnx | it ran 5/6 as fast |
| 05:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ran slow |
| 05:47.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 05:47.55 | johnx | not even kidding |
| 05:47.56 | ds3 | honest boss, it is the power system's fault for me being late ;) |
| 05:48.00 | Luria | hah |
| 05:48.11 | |thunder | any idea when the new canola beta will be released ? |
| 05:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | |thunder, soon. |
| 05:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's available in Extras-devel if you're impatient. |
| 05:48.50 | Luria | so thats how the 50 minute hour was born |
| 05:49.12 | |thunder | GeneralAntilles; thanks. im hopeful it will fix the randon freeze bug |
| 05:49.19 | GeneralAntilles | considers working on some cool trademark guidelines for maemo.org |
| 05:58.18 | Stskeeps | tries desperately to wake up |
| 05:58.28 | johnx | new laptops and desktops really stopped being interesting to me |
| 05:58.55 | qwerty12 | pours water on Stskeeps |
| 05:59.08 | johnx | pours coffee on Stskeeps |
| 05:59.11 | Luria | huh? |
| 05:59.12 | Stskeeps | mm. coffee. |
| 05:59.47 | johnx | Luria, I dunno. It seems like it's just more of the same. Meanwhile embedded stuff improves by leaps and bounds |
| 06:00.26 | Luria | re my gtx thing? |
| 06:00.36 | johnx | not really re anything |
| 06:00.43 | johnx | digging throu engadget and gizmodo rss feeds |
| 06:00.47 | Luria | idk, soc is neat, but still |
| 06:00.50 | johnx | just a non-sequitor :) |
| 06:00.57 | Luria | not so far from my 5600 |
| 06:01.13 | Luria | i want more battery life |
| 06:01.22 | Luria | like rtg life |
| 06:01.34 | johnx | :) I've had the same thoughts |
| 06:01.57 | Luria | doesnt every geek want a nuclear computer? |
| 06:02.10 | Luria | tho, rtg is pretty inefficient |
| 06:02.22 | johnx | and either heavy or lethal :) |
| 06:02.23 | Stskeeps | Luria: making you sterile, eh? |
| 06:02.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:02.25 | johnx | choose one |
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| 06:03.06 | johnx | Luria, want me to pick you up a spare one from an abandoned automated light house in Russia? |
| 06:03.10 | Luria | give me a rtg powered artificial heart, kids become pointless |
| 06:03.18 | melmoth | Anybody already compiled valgrind for the tablet ? |
| 06:03.30 | Stskeeps | would like to see fuel cells, personally |
| 06:03.30 | Luria | sure, send it over on a spare icbm |
| 06:03.43 | Luria | direct one mirv to midtown manhattan |
| 06:03.46 | Luria | ill catch it |
| 06:04.41 | johnx | fuel cells are about 20-40% better than li-ion right? |
| 06:04.55 | johnx | I don't know how I feel about having to go to the store for refills |
| 06:05.35 | Luria | need some way to capitalize on human radiated energy |
| 06:06.02 | Stskeeps | feeding off 2.4ghz band |
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| 06:06.21 | johnx | borrowing wasted kinetic energy seems more worthwhile |
| 06:07.10 | GeneralAntilles | I want little jet engines in my devices. |
| 06:07.36 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, that would make for a real nasty DoS if they were in your pocket |
| 06:07.37 | Gracana | It's a logical step. Some devices already have rockets. |
| 06:07.55 | Gracana | 's laptop bursts into flames |
| 06:08.05 | Stskeeps | dear god.. interview with rick astley in newspaper today |
| 06:08.18 | Stskeeps | the internet has started to cross way too much into reality |
| 06:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't you hear? The internet is reality now. :P |
| 06:08.48 | johnx | Stskeeps, you don't know the half of it O_o |
| 06:08.58 | johnx | apparently some countries let the 4chan guys leave their houses... |
| 06:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:09.44 | Luria | ill grow a vein just to turn a dynamo |
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| 06:10.39 | Gracana | wikiality |
| 06:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | Unless there's a really significant breakthrough in power storage technology, I don't think we're likely to venture out of the 3-14 hour range. |
| 06:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | As storage gets better, we just get more performance and more stuff |
| 06:12.04 | johnx | efficient device idling is the current frontier |
| 06:12.20 | johnx | it'll confuse the hell out of some people though |
| 06:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | 30 days with an N800 idling is scary |
| 06:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | I bet you a well-managed OMAP3 could double that. |
| 06:12.42 | GeneralAntilles | It _already_ confuses the hell out of some people. |
| 06:12.49 | johnx | heh |
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| 06:13.17 | johnx | just imagine on laptops "I installed norton and now I can't stay away from power for more than 15 minutes! my laptop is b0rken!" |
| 06:13.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just look at all the people turning their tablets off everytime they put them away to "save battery". |
| 06:13.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:13.40 | GeneralAntilles | The pitfalls of ridiculously aggressive powersaving. |
| 06:13.58 | ds3 | heh... rebooting takes out huge chunks of battery life! |
| 06:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | 2 days idle |
| 06:14.19 | |thunder | ds3; it comes back. |
| 06:14.26 | johnx | I still think part of that is an artifact of battery life measurement being reset or something on reboot |
| 06:14.33 | GeneralAntilles | |thunder, no, it doesn't. |
| 06:14.48 | johnx | I think most of it was never there |
| 06:14.49 | |thunder | i just bought 2 new nokia batts on ebay for 11$ free shipping from hong kong |
| 06:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, personally, I trust igor's word on it. ;) |
| 06:15.08 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's intensive, but it's not as intensive as some people are thinking |
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| 06:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
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| 06:15.54 | |thunder | mine does, it will say 3 hours and spontaniously reboot, then say less than an hour, then go up to 1 hours. but then say 1 hr for 2 hrs, then say less than 1 hr for an hour. thats 3 hours |
| 06:16.04 | GeneralAntilles | The guy that does power management stuff for Nokia says so, sooo. :P |
| 06:16.39 | johnx | and I still think there's something else at play in *some cases* |
| 06:16.45 | johnx | 's a skeptic |
| 06:16.45 | |thunder | but then again, I get those results with the screen locked listening to mp3 via canola and bt earpiece |
| 06:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | The battery applet isn't known for accuracy. |
| 06:16.58 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/intel-unveils-worlds-first-working-moorestown-mid/ |
| 06:17.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not talking about 2 days off the idle time reported in the applet. |
| 06:17.08 | |thunder | i drain my n800 daily. since march |
| 06:17.27 | |thunder | still lasts me all day unless the screen is on constantly and wifi buzzing |
| 06:17.53 | Luria | fuck i hate left wing nutsos |
| 06:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:18.10 | Luria | cell phones are really dangerous |
| 06:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | I hate stupid people. :D |
| 06:18.20 | Luria | thats why cancer is so high |
| 06:18.23 | Luria | wtd |
| 06:18.25 | Luria | wtf |
| 06:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, x86 just doesn't do it for me. |
| 06:18.45 | Luria | no, cancer is high because dumb people live too long |
| 06:18.47 | |thunder | that and people dont eat cabbage |
| 06:19.15 | Proteous | Mmmm, cabbage |
| 06:19.19 | johnx | Luria, or live near toxic dumping grounds |
| 06:19.43 | Luria | half life or highly radioactive |
| 06:19.56 | Luria | pick one or discover free energy |
| 06:20.16 | johnx | just thinking heavy metals and industrial solvents |
| 06:20.38 | Luria | mmmm yummy alpha particles |
| 06:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | People live a lot longer than they used to. |
| 06:20.51 | GeneralAntilles | Way more time to get cancer |
| 06:20.53 | johnx | anyways, I'm pro-fission :) |
| 06:21.01 | johnx | better than strip mining coal |
| 06:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | Amen |
| 06:21.18 | GeneralAntilles | Though nuclear energy isn't an answer |
| 06:21.26 | |thunder | geo thermal is the way to go, free power from hell |
| 06:21.32 | Luria | yes it is |
| 06:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | Since there's no way we enough enough fuel. |
| 06:21.37 | johnx | |thunder, everyone should move to greenland? |
| 06:21.41 | Luria | but whats the question? |
| 06:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | Complete and total replacement of all fossil fuels with nuclear. |
| 06:22.14 | |thunder | yellowstone can power the whole country. worlds largest caldrea |
| 06:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | I want to see the solar power beaming satellites from Sim City. |
| 06:22.22 | johnx | the question: How do we convince people to use less energy |
| 06:22.24 | |thunder | is it yellowstone ? i think so |
| 06:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, penalty of death. |
| 06:22.34 | Luria | uh those were microwave plants |
| 06:22.41 | Luria | and they miss |
| 06:22.46 | |thunder | carbon emission tax coming to a neighborhood near you soon |
| 06:22.50 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, good! More dead stupid people. ;) |
| 06:22.52 | Luria | right when i send in godzilla |
| 06:22.52 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, starting up your enforcement posse? |
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| 06:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, I'm hitting your house first. :P |
| 06:23.39 | Luria | i actually met someone working for a start up modeling energy use and pollution |
| 06:23.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, lulz. throw the first stone indeed... |
| 06:23.50 | Luria | just got a uk gov contract |
| 06:23.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:24.12 | Luria | my gtx will do wonders for the environment |
| 06:24.14 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, it's everybody _else's_ fault, remember? ;) |
| 06:24.23 | GeneralAntilles | We should force everybody to switch to ARM. |
| 06:24.37 | johnx | and force them to stop driving cars :) |
| 06:24.38 | Luria | and dumb "environmentalists" have done wonders in stopping nuclear proliferation |
| 06:24.44 | Luria | great, coal ftw |
| 06:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:25.00 | Luria | a beagle box on every desktop |
| 06:25.14 | johnx | and an n800 on every bicycle :) |
| 06:25.44 | Luria | my mother was once complaining about "radiation" and was going on with this long diatribe |
| 06:25.46 | |thunder | too bad they are out of production |
| 06:25.48 | GeneralAntilles | People need to drive more and bigger cars |
| 06:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | run out the oil supply faster. |
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| 06:26.08 | |thunder | i agree, necessity is the mother of invention |
| 06:26.12 | Luria | i got sick of listening, so i turned off all the lights in the house to show my support |
| 06:26.17 | GeneralAntilles | is going to invent a way for one person to drive two or three cars at once. |
| 06:26.24 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I like my "plastics for medical use" thank you very much |
| 06:26.37 | GeneralAntilles | Switching to old newpapers. |
| 06:26.45 | GeneralAntilles | s/new/news/ |
| 06:26.54 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, as long as you drive them into each other I think I can get people onboard with that |
| 06:27.12 | Luria | do any of the linux vms support 3d acceleration? |
| 06:27.15 | Luria | (well) |
| 06:27.22 | Luria | oss preferred |
| 06:27.27 | johnx | I'm thinking: not really |
| 06:28.37 | GeneralAntilles | I wish I could take a train around the state here. |
| 06:28.59 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, for long distance or commuting? |
| 06:29.05 | GeneralAntilles | Long distance |
| 06:29.11 | Luria | huh. need a good vm for my 8core barcelona box |
| 06:29.11 | johnx | it's expensive |
| 06:29.19 | johnx | it'd be more expensive in a more rural area |
| 06:29.33 | GeneralAntilles | There's no way it's more expensive than me driving my car. |
| 06:29.58 | johnx | it'd be close I think |
| 06:30.11 | johnx | 30mpg freeway? |
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| 06:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | Closer to 34 |
| 06:31.15 | johnx | your gas would have to cost $12 a gallon |
| 06:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | I pay about $50-$70 round trip depending on the price of gas at the time. |
| 06:31.31 | Luria | no thoughts? |
| 06:31.43 | johnx | Luria, vmware is nice and polished |
| 06:31.54 | johnx | and free as in beer |
| 06:31.59 | Luria | yeah i know |
| 06:32.13 | Luria | wouldnt mind bare metal |
| 06:32.36 | Luria | oh shit, lefty is now lecturing on quantum physics |
| 06:32.52 | johnx | might want to research xen. I don't know if it can play nice with 3D |
| 06:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=234976 bizarre |
| 06:33.09 | Luria | i need to look into vmgl |
| 06:33.15 | Luria | speaking of, was any one at defcon |
| 06:33.27 | qwerty12 | finds it desperate |
| 06:34.04 | Luria | i never thought id see a quantum crypto implementation |
| 06:34.45 | Luria | thats... sad |
| 06:35.16 | johnx | poor guy :/ |
| 06:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, an Amtrak ticket from Tampa to Jacksonville is $30 one-way. |
| 06:35.40 | Luria | fwiw |
| 06:35.42 | Luria | http://www.physorg.com/news137253732.html |
| 06:36.03 | Luria | 'twas facking orsome. |
| 06:37.11 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, cheaper than trains here |
| 06:38.27 | johnx | trains would raise their prices if they didn't have to compete with cars |
| 06:41.30 | Luria | uh, johnx killed the conversation |
| 06:41.38 | Luria | or entangled monologues |
| 06:41.52 | johnx | guess I left and took it with me |
| 06:42.00 | johnx | working on building illume in angstrom |
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| 06:43.22 | Luria | does angstrom still work on sl-5?00s? |
| 06:43.35 | johnx | someone's doing work on it actually |
| 06:43.44 | johnx | touch screen is still iffy last time I checked |
| 06:43.55 | Luria | sounds very opensource |
| 06:43.55 | johnx | no sound or usb or apm, but it basically functions |
| 06:44.05 | johnx | ~lart sharp |
| 06:44.05 | infobot | installs a bad bootloader on sharp and turns sharp into a brick |
| 06:44.08 | Luria | yup, thats def gpl'ed |
| 06:44.38 | johnx | the strongarm doesn't get much love these days |
| 06:45.01 | Luria | strongarm gone limp, eh |
| 06:45.05 | johnx | :P |
| 06:45.23 | Luria | god that pxa speed/bug was a mess |
| 06:45.25 | johnx | it's hard to justify the time input when newer, faster, better supported boards/devices are so cheap |
| 06:45.43 | Luria | technologic |
| 06:45.48 | johnx | I missed that, on purpose :) |
| 06:45.59 | johnx | the pxa speed bug that is. I was on strongarm, then pxa270 |
| 06:46.06 | Luria | what the pxa debacle |
| 06:46.12 | Luria | good choice |
| 06:46.25 | Luria | i didnt know when i got my sl5600 |
| 06:46.37 | Luria | but it worked well enough for a while |
| 06:47.06 | Luria | maemo in a -3200 format would be nice |
| 06:47.16 | Luria | or pandora |
| 06:47.25 | johnx | well, that's the idea |
| 06:47.31 | johnx | but there's lots of road blocks |
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| 06:47.54 | Luria | twisty spines are hard to do cheaply id wager |
| 06:48.17 | johnx | yeah, and patented |
| 06:48.25 | Luria | o rly |
| 06:48.32 | johnx | or so they say |
| 06:48.53 | Luria | thats nuts |
| 06:49.10 | johnx | probably not enforceable...unless you wanted to enforce it against a startup with no liquid capital |
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| 06:49.27 | johnx | ...just to set a precedent |
| 06:49.46 | Luria | damn submarines |
| 06:49.59 | johnx | sink your battleship again? |
| 06:50.25 | Luria | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent |
| 06:50.31 | johnx | I know :) |
| 06:50.35 | Luria | ah, ok |
| 06:50.45 | Luria | sink my uber-pandora |
| 06:51.00 | johnx | probably also difficult to make strong |
| 06:51.03 | GeneralAntilles | TI's doing some badass stuff |
| 06:51.08 | Luria | i better sell my nokias now |
| 06:51.31 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, well ARM is feeding them :) |
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| 06:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, but the whole OMAP35x thing. |
| 06:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | The Pandora wouldn't really exist without TI. |
| 06:52.05 | johnx | ah, that. Yes I completely agree |
| 06:52.22 | johnx | It's nice to see a company that's been around a long time seeing a new angle |
| 06:52.44 | Luria | is anyone really competing with them in the soc world? |
| 06:52.49 | Luria | ti seems to 0wn |
| 06:53.01 | johnx | marvell? samsung? |
| 06:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Samsung's got stuff, Freescale has stuff |
| 06:53.29 | GeneralAntilles | Qualcomm I guess |
| 06:53.54 | Luria | but for the higher powered smartphones |
| 06:54.04 | johnx | w00! my build continues! only a couple thousand tasks left to go! |
| 06:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | TI just gets way more play in the Linux circles. |
| 06:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Samsung is powering the iPhone. |
| 06:54.26 | GeneralAntilles | Qualcomm's got the Touch HD |
| 06:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's smartphones are TI |
| 06:54.40 | johnx | and I say good for them for figuring out a way to get good PR :) |
| 06:54.42 | GeneralAntilles | Except the N96, which is something weird. |
| 06:55.13 | Luria | really? i thought the iphone was omap |
| 06:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | No way |
| 06:55.39 | GeneralAntilles | TI doesn't ship anything ARM11 that fast. |
| 06:56.35 | ds3 | how fast of a ARM11? |
| 06:57.03 | GeneralAntilles | ~600MHz max clock? |
| 06:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | Somewhere in the 500 and change range at the moment |
| 06:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | Started in the 400 range |
| 06:57.23 | GeneralAntilles | they keep adding more as the powersaving improves. |
| 06:57.26 | johnx | really? they bumped it already? |
| 06:57.37 | ds3 | thought they did |
| 06:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | So I heard |
| 06:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | I don't really pay very much attention, though. |
| 06:58.23 | ds3 | it is probally from their I-don't-talk-to-anyone-who-can't-promise-52349808320914819480948094809234809238 chips/year group |
| 06:58.27 | GeneralAntilles | Engadget says Samsung S3C6400 |
| 06:59.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, maybe I'm lying |
| 06:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | may it's still 412 |
| 07:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, don't really know, don't really care. |
| 07:01.53 | RST38h | is somewhat back (gprs) |
| 07:02.21 | RST38h | so, what are we comparing now? clock rates? |
| 07:02.50 | GeneralAntilles | Just generally discussing mobile SoCs |
| 07:03.34 | RST38h | they are all the same, why bother? |
| 07:03.51 | Luria | 'night |
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| 07:04.08 | RST38h | even arm9 vs arm11 matters less than your cache size and memory bus speed |
| 07:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | We weren't comparing. :P |
| 07:04.51 | RST38h | ah =) |
| 07:05.36 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, bedtime. |
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| 07:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | 'night all. |
| 07:05.55 | RST38h | gnight |
| 07:07.04 | johnx | 'night GeneralAntilles |
| 07:07.30 | johnx | RST38h, arm11 to cortexA8 is a difference though :) |
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| 07:08.25 | RST38h | johnx: I hope so but we will see |
| 07:08.54 | johnx | I've watched a couple demos that make me pretty hopeful |
| 07:09.20 | johnx | RST38h, you heard the pandora sold out, right? |
| 07:09.43 | RST38h | now seriously wonders what Atom will end up bwing, after looking at what they advertise for moorestown |
| 07:10.02 | RST38h | johnx: yeah, all 3k units? |
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| 07:10.26 | johnx | 4k |
| 07:10.47 | johnx | they ended up increasing the size of the first batch, since they had all the money up front anyways |
| 07:11.22 | RST38h | incredible for a niche platfrom...now they only need to deliver on time |
| 07:12.43 | johnx | Well, even if they're a little late I think people will cut them slack in general |
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| 07:13.15 | RST38h | for a while, yes |
| 07:13.33 | RST38h | not for a long while though |
| 07:14.12 | johnx | yeah, there will be less positive attitudes now that they have people's money |
| 07:14.21 | johnx | anyways, I have my fingers crossed |
| 07:16.18 | RST38h | btw, people leaving in china report that factories are closing in scores |
| 07:16.28 | RST38h | s/leaving/living |
| 07:16.45 | johnx | eep |
| 07:17.04 | RST38h | looks like the shit is finally hitting the chinese fan as well |
| 07:17.11 | johnx | I think we might be living in interesting times... |
| 07:17.36 | RST38h | will probably become worse towards/after christmas |
| 07:18.00 | RST38h | well, beginning of a century , whaddayawant? =) |
| 07:18.23 | johnx | least I don't have a house to worry about :) |
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| 07:19.14 | RST38h | neither do I but should probably buy one now |
| 07:19.47 | johnx | gonna buy it with cash? |
| 07:20.01 | RST38h | a few months like that and I will not need a loan :) |
| 07:20.53 | RST38h | + there will be plenty of people willing to renovate it for food |
| 07:21.24 | johnx | lots of people to rent rooms to as well :) |
| 07:22.08 | RST38h | that is already happening. read that story in exile? |
| 07:24.43 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 07:49.35 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 08:03.34 | hena | hi |
| 08:04.38 | Stskeeps | hmm, is there any way to detect SDK version when building packages? |
| 08:05.05 | hena | i was wondering what are the closed source components in maemo? |
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| 08:06.16 | murrayc | hena: Most of the applications. |
| 08:06.44 | hena | oh :( |
| 08:07.04 | hena | there's no hacks in linux, are there? |
| 08:07.16 | Stskeeps | hena: how come you ask? |
| 08:07.52 | Stskeeps | hena: http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/how-maemo-approaches-open-source-presentation see slide 4 for what nokia normally doesn't open source |
| 08:07.53 | hena | cause i'm wondering if i should buy nokia N810, but i need to use my own software in it and i don't wanna fight with closed stuff |
| 08:08.05 | Stskeeps | hena: use Deblet or the likes then |
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| 08:08.27 | Stskeeps | but honestly, the tablet is very open for development and APIs documented and such for most things |
| 08:08.36 | Stskeeps | but some things are just closed as mentioned on the slide |
| 08:16.34 | melmoth | most of the application as closed source is not actually true. |
| 08:16.51 | Stskeeps | 80-20 wasn't it? |
| 08:16.53 | melmoth | Some kernel driver i think (dont know wich) are not open source |
| 08:17.02 | hena | oh :( |
| 08:17.14 | Stskeeps | melmoth: yeah, but there is a open source driver now |
| 08:17.15 | hena | gives the impression on that slide that linux is free |
| 08:17.25 | melmoth | most application are open source, with available svn as well as source package |
| 08:17.40 | hena | tho, power management is being handled by closed source? |
| 08:17.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, but it's moving towards OHM |
| 08:18.06 | Stskeeps | which is open source, but may have properitary modules |
| 08:18.09 | Stskeeps | (which makes sense) |
| 08:18.14 | hena | ok |
| 08:18.19 | Stskeeps | and dsme is being published too |
| 08:18.58 | johnx | melmoth, some apps are open source. a lot aren't |
| 08:19.37 | melmoth | johnx: names ? |
| 08:20.27 | johnx | image viewer, media player, browser ui, notes |
| 08:20.31 | johnx | others I'm sure |
| 08:20.38 | johnx | there's a big spreadsheet available |
| 08:21.04 | hena | ok, deblet looks nice, tho i can't seem to find what's done and what's not |
| 08:21.35 | hena | considering 810, that is |
| 08:22.30 | melmoth | power management is not done ;) |
| 08:22.40 | hena | hehe |
| 08:23.13 | Stskeeps | melmoth: well, there's some wifi power management |
| 08:23.21 | hena | sorry, found the known issues :/ |
| 08:23.24 | Stskeeps | such as power saving when connection active and stuff like that |
| 08:23.25 | johnx | well from what I understand , power management is there, but there are a lot of things in debian keeping the CPU awake |
| 08:23.36 | Stskeeps | and we use DSME so there's a degree of power managemetn |
| 08:23.44 | Stskeeps | but ofcourse it's not brilliant (yet) |
| 08:23.56 | Stskeeps | i'm hoping to shoehorn my work into spending time on that though |
| 08:25.13 | hena | sorry, a dumb question, but what's a chr button? ;) |
| 08:25.32 | Stskeeps | n810 thing |
| 08:25.47 | Stskeeps | it's simply i haven't added the proper keymap just yet |
| 08:26.09 | hena | that's what i thought |
| 08:26.27 | Stskeeps | .. we gladly take patches |
| 08:26.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:26.32 | hena | hehe |
| 08:26.39 | hena | well, need to get the device first ;) |
| 08:28.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: i wonder if we should attempt to use ohm or that it's probably going to get a boatload of updates once fremantle updates |
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| 08:28.34 | Stskeeps | OLPC seems to use it though |
| 08:28.48 | johnx | does it have modules to deal with n8x0 hardware? |
| 08:28.54 | johnx | does it just drop in? |
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| 08:29.12 | Stskeeps | that's a good question really |
| 08:29.35 | johnx | if yes && yes ; then yes ; fi |
| 08:30.19 | RST38h | Yes is no and no is yes. Format drive C:? [Y/n] |
| 08:30.41 | Stskeeps | well it obviously don't have specific, but they seem reasonably easy to do since we know how dsme works and such |
| 08:30.50 | Stskeeps | but then again, OHM -should- be a dsme replacmenet |
| 08:31.28 | t_s_o | hmm, bothersome, the home applets found on the chinook repos have a higher version number then the ones on diablo equivalent, yet at least one apparently dont want to work with diablo (homeip) |
| 08:31.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://ohm.freedesktop.org/wiki/FrontPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ohm-pres-fosdem.pdf |
| 08:32.03 | RST38h | t_s_o: Khertan has been having problems with autobuilder |
| 08:32.38 | RST38h | t_s_o: And Chinook repo does not require you to use autobuilder. I guess that is the reason for what you see. |
| 08:32.39 | t_s_o | thanks for the headsup RST38h |
| 08:32.52 | TokyoDan | has anyone ever added the n810 as a USB network device to Leopard? |
| 08:33.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: i wonder if i should just wait some months till fremantle starts being more public and relax and do nothing, since fremantle obviously brings interesting changes |
| 08:33.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:33.32 | johnx | Stskeeps, that's my plan with regards to maemo apps on other platforms |
| 08:33.47 | johnx | in the mean time I'm about to try illume :) |
| 08:33.51 | Stskeeps | illume? |
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| 08:34.06 | t_s_o | hrmf, had a strange one last night. a reboot made the free space on the internal storage go from about 7MB to 20MB... |
| 08:34.16 | johnx | Stskeeps, http://www.rasterman.com/ |
| 08:34.31 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:35.02 | johnx | t_s_o, something about jffs2 only freeing space on mount in some situations |
| 08:35.13 | RST38h | johnx <-- feeling adventurous or something |
| 08:35.39 | t_s_o | thanks johnx, so i take it that if i seem to be running out of space, give the device a quick reboot and see if it helps? |
| 08:36.02 | johnx | t_s_o, well it couldn't hurt *shrugs* |
| 08:36.16 | johnx | I'm just repeating something I heard a long time ago, though |
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| 08:37.21 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw do you see any better network behaviour? i upgraded dsme-tools with a network-manager aware wifi power savings daemon |
| 08:37.43 | johnx | when was that? |
| 08:38.16 | Stskeeps | recently i guess |
| 08:38.27 | johnx | I probably haven't tried it yet then |
| 08:38.29 | Stskeeps | lemme see timeline |
| 08:38.54 | johnx | I'll reboot into debian and transfer a whole bunch of stuff though just to test :) |
| 08:39.10 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:39.20 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/main/dsme-tools/usr/sbin/wifi_powersave.py |
| 08:39.25 | Stskeeps | pretty little dbus power saver |
| 08:42.55 | hena | sigh, i guess i'll order it, then... |
| 08:43.07 | Stskeeps | you can't go wrong with a tablet anyway |
| 08:43.11 | hena | hope the wife doesn't murder me :D |
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| 08:43.22 | Stskeeps | you learn to love it more than your wife. it's like your lover on the side |
| 08:43.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:43.31 | RST38h | "The build quality of the N96 I admit it is now a lot more solid looking then my old N95 but seriously.. it makes no difference. The top part of the phone (the part with the screen) moves about 1mm up and down when its not slided out" |
| 08:43.36 | RST38h | Familiar, right? ;) |
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| 08:43.46 | lcuk | Stskeeps, can you recommend a good dentist |
| 08:43.50 | lcuk | ;) |
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| 08:44.05 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i have a polish woman for dentist. it's interesting. |
| 08:44.13 | lcuk | could be worse |
| 08:44.27 | lcuk | did u see the next thing i did |
| 08:44.43 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/#images |
| 08:45.05 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 08:45.19 | Stskeeps | pdf? ;> |
| 08:45.20 | lcuk | enywhere, anytime |
| 08:45.25 | lcuk | png |
| 08:45.34 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 08:45.45 | hena | i guess that's the issue, the "lover" part ;) |
| 08:46.08 | lcuk | crap |
| 08:46.09 | RST38h | lcuk: You really need flashier UI |
| 08:46.18 | RST38h | lcuk: More icon, dude, more icons! =) |
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| 08:46.40 | RST38h | Catch tigert here and try interesting him in making some icons |
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| 08:52.25 | hena | oh, one more thing, i hope the gps works fine, and in deblet also? |
| 08:53.09 | Stskeeps | hena: no clue, don't have a n810, and gps isn't exactly perfect under maemo either |
| 08:53.26 | Stskeeps | it should be possible since it connects "internally" over bluetooth |
| 08:53.29 | Stskeeps | loopback |
| 08:53.34 | Stskeeps | and acts as any other gps |
| 08:55.20 | hena | oh :/ |
| 08:55.31 | hena | sounds like a hack |
| 08:55.43 | hena | that's the main feature i need :/ |
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| 08:56.07 | Stskeeps | hena: well it's not a vendor supported OS so obviously you need to look into the drivers :) |
| 08:56.38 | hena | any knowledge on what chip it has? |
| 08:57.09 | Stskeeps | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4663&navigationId=12607&templateId=6123 |
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| 08:57.48 | slonopotamus | rocks |
| 08:57.54 | Stskeeps | how's the gentoo doing? |
| 08:58.15 | slonopotamus | now i know kung-fu^W how to cross-compile gcc |
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| 08:58.47 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:59.00 | Stskeeps | why not use codesourcery's toolchain? |
| 08:59.09 | Stskeeps | oh, nm |
| 09:00.20 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hi man. i've killed 2 days trying to cross-build gcc. until today, when i've discovered http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-embedded@lists.gentoo.org/msg01881.html the thing is that you must not add arch-dependent gcc opts to cross-build environment |
| 09:00.48 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i want to use gentoo-provided tools (crossdev, portage & etc) |
| 09:01.06 | slonopotamus | yeeeah! it's building! |
| 09:01.08 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:01.29 | Stskeeps | i've killed up to several days compiling ubuntu mobile packages |
| 09:01.50 | slonopotamus | gcc builds something that must run on CBUILD machine (stage1 compiler possibly) |
| 09:02.19 | slonopotamus | and i had -march=armv6j in make.conf. but my main gcc doesn't know what's armv6j |
| 09:05.18 | slonopotamus | crazy thing |
| 09:06.06 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what's the problem with ubuntu mobile packages? |
| 09:06.52 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: various differences in behaviour from debian -> ubuntu and odd APIs supported by pygtk debian doesn't support, and that it takes -ages- to compile gtk on a emulator. |
| 09:06.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:07.07 | slonopotamus | huh |
| 09:07.17 | slonopotamus | and they are telling me that compiling on device is slow |
| 09:07.33 | slonopotamus | not so slow compared to qemu |
| 09:08.13 | Stskeeps | well it does have 2-3x bogomips |
| 09:08.32 | Stskeeps | i'm planning on making the beagleboards we have here build machines possibily |
| 09:09.09 | slonopotamus | bogomips is a strange thing |
| 09:09.25 | slonopotamus | better benchmark is a build time of some known package |
| 09:10.24 | RST38h | A beagle is only making 3MIPS? |
| 09:10.40 | RST38h | Ah, 3x MIPS |
| 09:11.05 | slonopotamus | as far as i understand you cannot directly compare arm to x86 because of lots differences in architecture. |
| 09:11.14 | slonopotamus | only by tests |
| 09:11.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: qemu armel compared to a nokia |
| 09:13.00 | lardman | if you want benchmarks, try some of these (you'll want to recompile against an up-to-date version of the Nokia binaries though): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/ |
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| 09:13.31 | slonopotamus | i'll want to recompile against _my_ version of the _gentoo_ binaries :) |
| 09:13.52 | RST38h | Sts: yea, I got it |
| 09:14.28 | slonopotamus | what CHOST does IT OS have? |
| 09:14.30 | RST38h | still does not quite understand what are the exact problems with cross-compilation environment. Why do you need native environment to compile? |
| 09:14.56 | RST38h | I have heard that there are some intermediate binaries that have to be run natively, but how exactly this situation occurs? |
| 09:14.59 | lardman | seconds RST38h's thought |
| 09:15.13 | slonopotamus | hmm... it's easier to say 'xmerge system' then manual downloading/configuring/making of packages |
| 09:15.21 | lardman | RST38h: the makefile can be patches to remove such things, but it's a pita |
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| 09:16.15 | RST38h | lardman: Can the patched makefile be later reused universally? (i.e. is it a patch or a fix?0 |
| 09:16.42 | lardman | RST38h: depends how you patch really |
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| 09:16.49 | lardman | but possibly |
| 09:17.10 | RST38h | I would say, if it is *fixing*, then just fix the damn makefiles |
| 09:17.20 | Stskeeps | the problem exists when some things make binaries in makefiles that it then uses to pre-preocess other stuff |
| 09:17.29 | lardman | the one sticking point (but this also holds for emulated environments) is where the binary attempts to gain information about the underlying hardware - speed optimisations, etc. |
| 09:17.31 | Stskeeps | which can't happen obviously |
| 09:17.46 | RST38h | Yes, but if it is a command line binary, it will run just as well on a PC |
| 09:17.47 | lardman | Stskeeps: those can often be patched to use the native gcc |
| 09:18.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, but sometimes there's a bit of a conflict, let's say, building python |
| 09:18.08 | RST38h | Of course you will need two CCs - HOSTCC and CC |
| 09:18.10 | lardman | RST38h: the binary is made as part of the build process |
| 09:18.22 | RST38h | lardman: Make it with HOSTCC |
| 09:18.37 | slonopotamus | wheee-haaa! i've got armv6j gcc-4.1.2! |
| 09:18.38 | RST38h | And when building natively set HOSTCC = CC |
| 09:18.45 | lardman | in R, the actual R executable is used to create the R script binaries, which means you need to do a complete native build, pita |
| 09:18.54 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.04 | lardman | RST38h: yes, i.e. patch the Makefile |
| 09:19.11 | slonopotamus | built by gentoo of course :) |
| 09:19.14 | RST38h | lardman: not patch, fix =) |
| 09:19.33 | lardman | yeah, depends on the maintainers though |
| 09:19.36 | Stskeeps | lardman: which is what scratchbox tries to fix with the whole cpu transparency thing |
| 09:19.42 | lardman | slonopotamus: madness :) |
| 09:19.43 | RST38h | i.e. once you fix it, it will stay fixed |
| 09:19.47 | Stskeeps | but fails miserably when using qemu |
| 09:20.05 | slonopotamus | lardman, complete :) |
| 09:20.07 | Stskeeps | sbrsh is much better in that case |
| 09:20.10 | RST38h | ~curse "cpu transparency" thing for being bogus |
| 09:20.11 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, "cpu transparency" thing for being bogus ! |
| 09:20.26 | lardman | slonopotamus: it will just take far too long |
| 09:20.56 | slonopotamus | lardman, qemu isn't much faster than device processor |
| 09:21.03 | RST38h | slonopotamus: you and lcuk, two proud, two crazy gentlemen |
| 09:21.25 | slonopotamus | RST38h, what's bad with lcuk? |
| 09:21.33 | lardman | slonopotamus: but much of the time it runs native x86 code |
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| 09:21.52 | RST38h | slonopotamus: He is compiling natively on a tablet |
| 09:21.55 | RST38h | and editing two |
| 09:22.00 | RST38h | s/two/too |
| 09:22.08 | slonopotamus | RST38h, me too. |
| 09:22.14 | slonopotamus | RST38h, what's wrong with that? |
| 09:22.31 | RST38h | slono: Slow and causes chronic capral tunnel syndrome |
| 09:22.44 | slonopotamus | RST38h, are you in a hurry? :) |
| 09:22.49 | RST38h | nothign wrong otherwise :) |
| 09:23.02 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ah, i was wondering why that started happening when i started compiling packages.. |
| 09:23.03 | RST38h | slono: I always am |
| 09:23.22 | RST38h | Sts: Slow or capral tunnel? |
| 09:23.28 | Stskeeps | last |
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| 09:24.21 | slonopotamus | RST38h, you just don't understand the magic of build log running through screen |
| 09:24.50 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 09:25.00 | RST38h | slono: I do - I have started with MSX :) |
| 09:25.28 | RST38h | Sts: BT keyboard fixes that. But it is also damn slow on Maemo =) |
| 09:25.35 | lardman | slonopotamus: yes, do it on the PC where there's more space, more memory and a larger screen to see the build log ;) |
| 09:25.49 | RST38h | slono: The problem is, my build logs take a while even on PC |
| 09:26.39 | slonopotamus | don't touch my precious source-based gentoo :) it's USE flags rock. |
| 09:26.50 | aquatix | *its |
| 09:26.51 | aquatix | ;) |
| 09:26.57 | slonopotamus | ok, its |
| 09:27.03 | aquatix | </nitpicking> |
| 09:27.21 | lcuk | slonopotamus, can you get your cpu to run in effective performance mode whilst building - if so it should be about 4x faster |
| 09:27.23 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i'm really interested to see what effect it has on power consumption really |
| 09:27.24 | aquatix | outsources building of binaries to debian's buildd |
| 09:27.55 | aquatix | lcuk: instead of on-demand, use performance? |
| 09:27.56 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, n800 runs out of full battery in 3 hours of 100% cpu load |
| 09:28.04 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i meant the resulting base system |
| 09:28.10 | minti | i am running mp3 using playbin and filesrc as : gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/Audio/test.mp3 and gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/media/mmc1/Audio/test.mp3 ! dspmp3sink the same song is able to play with first command (playbin) but not with filesrc giving error : ERROR: from element /pipeline0/dspmp3sink0: Could not determine type of stream. can anyone help me to run same song with filesrc and dspmp3sink |
| 09:28.35 | slonopotamus | lcuk, uh? cpu governor on device? |
| 09:28.38 | lcuk | aquatix, in my meagre scrollback i saw building gentoo or something, i thought that bootstrapped itself then built from within its own roomy atrium |
| 09:28.45 | lcuk | yes slonopotamus |
| 09:29.01 | slonopotamus | lcuk, will try |
| 09:29.06 | lardman | minti: you may need to manually construct the pipe |
| 09:29.14 | lardman | s/pipe/pipeline |
| 09:29.16 | aquatix | hmmm, roomy atria... |
| 09:29.21 | lcuk | lardman, have oyu become a qualified dentist yet? |
| 09:29.25 | aquatix | wants to go home |
| 09:29.47 | lardman | minti: Do the sinks need to be able to parse the stream and say if they can decode it? If so, the dspsink one may not support that |
| 09:29.53 | lardman | lcuk: still got a sore tooth? |
| 09:30.02 | minti | lardman: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/media/mmc1/Audio/test.mp3 ! dspmp3sink |
| 09:30.26 | lcuk | yes, on friday he gave one last chance but that did diddly squat and i drove to work in agony this mornin |
| 09:30.36 | lardman | lcuk: afraid my doctorate is for engineering, I could always use a pair of pliers ;) |
| 09:30.50 | lcuk | hides |
| 09:30.58 | lardman | minti: ah sorry, missed that |
| 09:31.03 | minti | lardman: gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=/media/mmc1/Audio/test.mp3 is able to run |
| 09:31.26 | lardman | minti: in which case ignore me, best see if there are any gstreamer experts about |
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| 09:32.38 | minti | gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/Audio/test.mp3 is able to run but gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/media/mmc1/Audio/test.mp3 ! dspmp3sink is not able |
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| 09:33.22 | lardman | weird, I always thought the latter ran |
| 09:33.32 | minti | exit with ERROR: from element /pipeline0/dspmp3sink0: Could not determine type of stream |
| 09:34.13 | lardman | I understand, I just don't know why, sorry |
| 09:34.45 | lcuk | lardman, how was your weekend anyway |
| 09:34.52 | minti | lardman: :) |
| 09:35.58 | lardman | lcuk: not bad, busy, no coding, but I did crack on a bit with writing up some detailed DSP instructions from the Linux Summit presentation |
| 09:36.44 | lcuk | nice, now take what you have written and condense it to only 8 pages :P |
| 09:37.01 | lardman | lol |
| 09:37.13 | lardman | should have done that for the presentation itself :) |
| 09:37.24 | lcuk | heh its always the way |
| 09:37.39 | lcuk | i tried to have a go at filming video spot #4 |
| 09:38.15 | lcuk | but i kept bringing up the wrong sketch - i'd aim for something really cool and profound and end up grabbing one of jakes trains or something |
| 09:38.22 | RST38h | MAKE FONT SMALLER. |
| 09:38.25 | lardman | :) |
| 09:38.26 | RST38h | ;) |
| 09:38.44 | lcuk | RST38h, i suggested that first time lardman mentioned it |
| 09:38.53 | slonopotamus | btw. is it possible to add ALT key to osso-xterm? |
| 09:39.25 | lcuk | how much space is available by default in ~ ? |
| 09:39.34 | lcuk | on a "normal" system - 8x0 |
| 09:39.47 | RST38h | and less spacing between lines |
| 09:40.03 | RST38h | lcuk: ~57MB when I first got it, I think |
| 09:40.05 | lcuk | and get rid of those silly headers and footers |
| 09:40.08 | RST38h | most likely less now |
| 09:40.09 | lcuk | print RIGHT to the margins |
| 09:40.14 | lcuk | gulp! |
| 09:40.29 | lcuk | whitespace smitespace |
| 09:40.46 | lcuk | replace(doc," ","") |
| 09:40.49 | RST38h | lcuk: Have you considered replacing all liqbase "buttons" with simple b/w icons? |
| 09:40.59 | lardman | for the paper the dimensions and font were specified, for the presentation would have needed to give binoculars to the audience ;) |
| 09:41.56 | RST38h | lcuk: imho, it will make things *way* more attractive |
| 09:41.56 | lcuk | RST38h, look in video 3, its been in my mind for a LONG time to replace everything with colored hand drawn sketches - i keep procrastinating |
| 09:41.56 | lcuk | theres a reason though |
| 09:41.56 | lcuk | one of the sketches i highlight and click past says "add icons..." |
| 09:41.56 | lcuk | and i drew a few |
| 09:42.02 | lcuk | the very first ever batch of sketches i drew were icons |
| 09:42.14 | RST38h | lcuk: Ah, forget the colored part, I would use something like this: http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5859/iconset1bluesmallfx8.jpg |
| 09:42.22 | lcuk | right at the bottom of the graffiti wall even now are things like close and edit and stuff |
| 09:43.29 | RST38h | lcuk: Yes, you have got the buttons with labels all right, but imho if you remove labels and those rectangular frames and just keep a few simple white icons, it will rock |
| 09:43.41 | lcuk | RST38h, dont rush me to icons :) :P the wait will be worth it and it really doesnt stop it from being usable |
| 09:44.32 | lcuk | i have other priorities though, but you will get your wish |
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| 09:45.08 | lcuk | to use icons i need proper file selection.. |
| 09:45.31 | lcuk | lardman, RST38h did you see this by the wya: http://liqbase.net/#images |
| 09:46.07 | lardman | cool |
| 09:46.16 | lardman | +1 to the request for a camera pointing the other way too! |
| 09:46.21 | lcuk | (ihence me asking about amount of space) |
| 09:46.43 | lcuk | well i asked the same thing at the summit, ive coded the reason why now |
| 09:46.53 | lcuk | lardman, i can make my heads have fights in the image physics view :D |
| 09:47.05 | lcuk | im gonna give device to everyone who i need to remember |
| 09:47.20 | lcuk | a quick snap and they will be in the river with all sketches (including name and notes) |
| 09:47.32 | lardman | lcuk: lol @ fights |
| 09:47.45 | lcuk | will have "my life" documented :) |
| 09:48.05 | lardman | lcuk: can you add a photo to a sketch? photo of head then add arms, legs, swords, etc. for the fights :) |
| 09:48.12 | RST38h | lcuk: ok, ok =) |
| 09:48.13 | lcuk | ive also never been a fractal before :) notice the infinite recursion |
| 09:48.30 | lcuk | heh lardman, im hoping to do all that kind of stuff |
| 09:48.59 | lardman | lcuk: for your physics, are the sketches bounded, or is the physics performed on the actual lines of the sketch (does that make sense?) |
| 09:48.59 | lcuk | just drawing mustaches on pictures will be a good enough start :) |
| 09:49.02 | RST38h | can be faked with two mirrors =) |
| 09:49.18 | lcuk | RST38h, try the stamp tool in liqbase :) |
| 09:49.24 | lcuk | you dont need no stinking mirrors |
| 09:49.35 | RST38h | that would be manual. mirrors are automatic! |
| 09:49.36 | lardman | lcuk: i.e. If I drew a line, would that tumble about, or would it be bounded in a box which would move about? |
| 09:50.05 | lcuk | its only within the frame lardman, but ive got overlapping/hittest code down to the stroke somewhere |
| 09:50.24 | lcuk | i dont normally needit, last time i used it was for the HWR test i was playing with |
| 09:50.24 | lardman | cool |
| 09:50.31 | lardman | I was thinking about a dart board too then ;) |
| 09:50.34 | lcuk | (to determine if 2 strokes had intersected |
| 09:50.49 | lardman | add basic aerodynamics/drag |
| 09:50.55 | lcuk | remember, its not real physics :P i wonder who gave it that name |
| 09:51.04 | RST38h | Yahoo! is axing jobs as part of a major cost-cutting exercise - it is expected to get rid of at least 1,000 people, the same number that went in January. |
| 09:51.08 | RST38h | Yahooooooo! |
| 09:51.13 | lardman | as long as it behaves vaguely sensibly that's enough |
| 09:51.25 | lcuk | lardman, have you seen this callingallinnovators competition :) |
| 09:51.32 | lcuk | yeah it does kindof |
| 09:51.42 | lcuk | i nearly wrote a game yesterday ;) |
| 09:51.44 | RST38h | [whisper] add google maps integration ;) |
| 09:52.24 | lcuk | not important, but gps should be another breadcrumb in the graffiti river |
| 09:52.30 | lcuk | anyway, back later |
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| 10:52.01 | slonopotamus | so. |
| 10:52.59 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 10:58.10 | slonopotamus | no perl. no python. but gcc, openssh, bash, baselayout and some minor utils. that's the best i got from crosscompiling. next step is boot & hack & boot again |
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| 10:59.39 | slonopotamus | as people say, there are no problems with building perl later, natively |
| 10:59.46 | slonopotamus | what worries me is python |
| 11:00.50 | TokyoDan | I installed PC Connectivity/USB Networking on my N810 Diablo. I click on Setup USB Networking in the control panel and I get and IP address on the USB port. I then connect the N810 to my Mac Leopard. But I can't ping that IP address from the Mac. I wonder what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 11:01.17 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 11:01.55 | Khertan_n810 | is it my conf or modest is worst in the last ssu update ? i doesn t refresh my imap folder |
| 11:02.09 | aquatix | modest is slow :/ |
| 11:02.20 | aquatix | Khertan_n810: and if you choose another, then come back to the first? |
| 11:02.25 | aquatix | that seemed to work here |
| 11:02.55 | Khertan_n810 | same thing changing folder ... no refresh |
| 11:03.06 | aquatix | odd |
| 11:03.11 | aquatix | that worked here |
| 11:03.19 | Khertan_n810 | also after a killall modest |
| 11:03.39 | aquatix | maybe restart its deamon? |
| 11:03.55 | Khertan_n810 | which resolv freeze downloading in background in the previous version |
| 11:03.55 | aquatix | shrugs |
| 11:03.55 | TokyoDan | connecting the N810 to the Mac vis USB networking and setting up a SSH session in Eclipse is hopeless. |
| 11:04.16 | Khertan_n810 | is daemon is nammed modest too |
| 11:04.26 | Khertan_n810 | so this is not a daemon problem |
| 11:05.00 | Khertan_n810 | and the refresh button do nothing |
| 11:05.32 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: i hate modest. please write a better replacement ;) |
| 11:05.45 | Khertan_n810 | TokyoDan : eclipse on osx is hopeless |
| 11:06.06 | Khertan_n810 | stskeep : i like it |
| 11:06.14 | Khertan_n810 | when it work |
| 11:06.27 | Khertan_n810 | my client don t work on ssl |
| 11:06.45 | Khertan_n810 | and work only on pop |
| 11:06.48 | Khertan_n810 | no imap |
| 11:06.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, i would like it too if it actually -worked- |
| 11:07.00 | Khertan_n810 | it s a real pain to implement |
| 11:07.06 | Stskeeps | but it's acting like a schizophrenic HAL |
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| 11:08.50 | Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: with mcalendar i ven t the time to write an other python app at this time |
| 11:09.00 | Khertan_n810 | i must finish it before |
| 11:09.10 | lardman | gletelli__: do you work for ARM? |
| 11:09.43 | gletelli__ | yes |
| 11:10.09 | lardman | do you know anything about Jazelle? |
| 11:10.28 | gletelli__ | a little :) |
| 11:10.51 | lardman | what are the chances of ARM releasing enough information that we might be able to use it? |
| 11:11.18 | lardman | or is it seen as some sort of extra revenue generator, licensing the runtime, etc.? |
| 11:11.26 | gletelli__ | I'm afraid I think the API is not public because of some legal issues |
| 11:11.42 | aquatix | Stskeeps: s/replacement/patch it till it's working right |
| 11:11.49 | lardman | gletelli__: with Sun? |
| 11:11.55 | gletelli__ | no comment |
| 11:11.59 | lardman | :) |
| 11:12.16 | gletelli__ | so not sure how I can help you here |
| 11:12.20 | gletelli__ | :( |
| 11:12.27 | lardman | information on the Jazelle coprocessors |
| 11:12.40 | gletelli__ | :( |
| 11:12.45 | lardman | and the secret incantation (or rather numbers) which need to be fed to it to enable it |
| 11:13.07 | gletelli__ | Are you working on Java? |
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| 11:13.20 | lardman | no, just working on non-working hardware components ;) |
| 11:13.59 | gletelli__ | my best bet would be to work on JIT |
| 11:14.08 | gletelli__ | like Mozilla on Tamarin |
| 11:14.15 | lardman | as in it's faster so no point in Jazelle? |
| 11:14.27 | Khertan_n810 | someone know module python-dateutil ? |
| 11:14.39 | gletelli__ | no - as in public and community working on it |
| 11:15.01 | lardman | gletelli__: well yeah, but then the jazelle stuff is just sat there waiting to be used of course ;) |
| 11:15.18 | gletelli__ | I know.... |
| 11:16.07 | gletelli__ | I'll see if there is more news about Jazelle from colleages |
| 11:16.14 | lardman | thanks :) |
| 11:17.12 | Khertan_n810 | do u know a free file host which work well with n810 like box.net ? |
| 11:17.19 | Stskeeps | lardman: loooked into ThumbEE? |
| 11:17.26 | Stskeeps | some claim it's easier to find info on |
| 11:17.40 | lardman | Stskeeps: which processor is that on? |
| 11:17.56 | Stskeeps | cortex a8 i found stuff about atleast |
| 11:18.22 | lardman | ok, still wondering about the arm1136 until I get some cortex hardware :) |
| 11:18.23 | Stskeeps | and thumbee has a linux patch too |
| 11:20.20 | Stskeeps | http://vbering.vitusbering.dk/graphics/VitusBering-Library/it-ingenior/Personale/HSO/Alexandra/RTJ/Aktiviteter/JazelleFraSoren_15_11_04.zip has a .pps telling soem about register structure atleast.. |
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| 11:22.26 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 11:30.29 | Stskeeps | lardman: http://www.arm.com/miscPDFs/14128.pdf pages a2-52 and forward.. isn't that something? how to get into jazelle mode, execution and so on |
| 11:32.10 | lcuk | Stskeeps, its not just executing a string of java from asm thats needed, theres the framework around to get it to the right place when java requires executing (so i believe) |
| 11:32.36 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 11:33.32 | lcuk | ok, let me put it another way, given a .jar file (or whatever it comes in) how would you prepare and execute it.. |
| 11:35.00 | Stskeeps | mm, i'd say it should be from a class file instead - translate those bytecodes to jazelle bytecode, set up the environment of jazelle to work, BXJ to the bytecode and it exits into normal mode at some point |
| 11:35.45 | Stskeeps | i guess jazelle is a bit of a way to switch the processor into a different instruction set |
| 11:35.55 | Stskeeps | so the bytecodes run "native" |
| 11:36.22 | lcuk | the instructionset is javabytecode (so i believe) and so compiled java should work as long as you setup the stack and heap frames correctly |
| 11:36.57 | Stskeeps | then it's a matter of setting up registers correctly (see .pps i pointed to earlier), and then branching into the code i guess |
| 11:37.03 | TokyoDan | Is there an alternative to Eclipse/Pydev/Pluthon for developing Maemo/N810 apps on the Mac? |
| 11:37.11 | lcuk | having the hardware instructions simply removes one step from the whole java bytecode runtime compiler jobbie whatsit and exectures the java bytecode faster |
| 11:37.30 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:37.37 | lcuk | Stskeeps, much more unfortunately, speak to sun about a hardware accelerated java vm |
| 11:38.45 | Stskeeps | what i see points to "simply" setting the J-bit in CPSR, processor state set and use java byte code + some extra to support jazelle |
| 11:39.00 | Stskeeps | atleast when people lecture about it |
| 11:39.11 | lcuk | what about the libraries java uses? |
| 11:39.32 | lcuk | i dont think ive ever seen a "naked" java file with no deps |
| 11:39.50 | Stskeeps | they're bytecode too, and if there's a need for native, there's instructions to kick out of jazelle mode |
| 11:40.20 | lcuk | no, but how do you tell the CPU where the libraries are and how to access them? |
| 11:40.33 | Stskeeps | memory map them? :P |
| 11:40.49 | Stskeeps | the cpu doesn't do all the stuff, it's not a jvm |
| 11:40.51 | lcuk | (something that usually the CPU state should hold on the stack or heap or somesuch object pointer |
| 11:41.01 | lcuk | no, thats what i was saying |
| 11:41.11 | lcuk | the svm must be available.. |
| 11:41.16 | lcuk | jvm |
| 11:41.27 | Stskeeps | yeah, and use jazelle as a kind of JIT really |
| 11:42.12 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/jazelle.jpg |
| 11:42.21 | Stskeeps | look at registers |
| 11:42.23 | Robot101 | JVM bytecode instructions which aren't implemented in jazelle trap back into the JVM to deal with |
| 11:43.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, why not simply user self modifying code :D |
| 11:43.31 | lcuk | anyway, i must vanish, bbl |
| 11:43.53 | Stskeeps | wait, i was talking to lcuk all the time? thought it was lardman |
| 11:43.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:44.06 | Stskeeps | goes smoke |
| 11:44.19 | Stskeeps | but anyway, i don't see why it should be so difficult to get jazelle going. |
| 11:44.30 | Stskeeps | it's a pretty simple thing if you know of how jvm's work and machine architectures |
| 11:44.35 | solmumaha | TokyoDan: there is a vmware image of scratchbox |
| 11:45.05 | Robot101 | eh? |
| 11:45.58 | Robot101 | the jvm has to be able to lay out its state in a way compatible with the hardware jazelle instructions, deal with traps back into jvm-required stuff, know which parts of the code can be run on jazelle, etc |
| 11:46.22 | Robot101 | it's quite a lot of architectural mangling for a JIT |
| 11:47.02 | Robot101 | it means some instructions should be passed through unmodified, and the other ones it generates have to understand the register/stack representation used by the jazelle instructions |
| 11:47.54 | Robot101 | jazelle always struck me as a bit odd, because jvm is quite a "heavy" bytecode where the jvm is responsible for all sorts of exciting object/allocation/type stuff which the cpu won't be able to do for you |
| 11:48.01 | lardman | sorry, was doing some work, reading backlog now |
| 11:48.22 | Robot101 | so you go in and out of jazelle instructions all the time, and probably spend more time in the jvm trapping and doing its usual work than in jazelle mode anyway |
| 11:48.40 | Robot101 | and in fact, if you just had a decent jit and didn't bother, it'd probably go just as fast |
| 11:48.52 | Stskeeps | Robot101: that's possible, but what if the switch is just a processor bit? |
| 11:49.02 | Stskeeps | and fast at it |
| 11:49.14 | Stskeeps | then it's not much worse than a branch |
| 11:49.19 | lardman | Stskeeps: you can't write to cpsr |
| 11:49.24 | Stskeeps | ah. |
| 11:49.40 | Robot101 | doesn't really matter, you still need to architect your jvm so that it uses the same representation for the stack as the jazelle instructions, which is probably going to be significant reworking |
| 11:49.57 | lardman | there are a couple of points, bxj should branch to some java bytecode, but in fact it just acts like a bx |
| 11:50.04 | Stskeeps | lardman: BXJ sets J bit in CPSR |
| 11:50.09 | lardman | no |
| 11:50.24 | lardman | there is a check performed |
| 11:50.34 | lardman | and if this check is failed, the bit is not set and it doesn't work |
| 11:50.54 | lardman | so you need to enable the jazelle hardware, via a couple of undocumented coprocessors |
| 11:51.00 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 11:51.17 | lardman | then, you need to setup the bytecode handler table, not sure how |
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| 11:51.29 | lardman | also not sure which registers are used for which parts of the vm |
| 11:51.41 | suihkulokki | cacao-oj6 in debian/armel is already blazingly fast JIT, how much faster do you expect jazelle based jvm to be? |
| 11:51.52 | lardman | I'll find the thread from the old days, it will be easier than my trying to remember off the top of my head |
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| 11:52.08 | lardman | suihkulokki: I'm not bothered actually, it's there, I'd like to see it working :) |
| 11:52.20 | Stskeeps | lardman: nevermind anyway, - the coprocessor thing is kinda a showstopper |
| 11:52.33 | suihkulokki | ah, the "because it's there" reason :) |
| 11:52.42 | lardman | :) |
| 11:52.55 | lardman | Stskeeps: the processor needs some secret incantation sent to it to start up |
| 11:52.59 | lardman | co- |
| 11:53.06 | lardman | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-July/thread.html are some of the posts |
| 11:53.32 | zackeroo | I have Canola installed on my N800 and I have been using it to play videos mostly ... videos that I have converted into a format for this device ... now for some reason the Canola player seems to be having difficulty and often crashes -- leaving me to have to turn the device off and back on again. Would anyone have any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 11:54.54 | MoRpHeUz | zackeroo: run canola from the command line with "-vvv" in order to get some info from log |
| 11:55.28 | zackeroo | ok .. I will try that |
| 11:55.35 | lardman | also August, December |
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| 11:55.47 | zackeroo | although it happens sometimes and then works other time just fine ... |
| 11:56.03 | lardman | Stskeeps: my final post on the subject: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-December/031016.html |
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| 12:09.34 | zapppp | I have icon in the menu but clicking it does nothing |
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| 12:16.22 | RST38h | zappp: you are not implementing dbus service functions |
| 12:16.37 | RST38h | [that is most likely explanation, anyway] |
| 12:22.07 | robtaylor | sup. does anyone know how to make avahi-daemon start automatically on diablo? it seems rc.d is insufficient :/ |
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| 12:25.53 | slonopotamus | can anyone recommend usb keyboard for n800? |
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| 12:29.38 | slonopotamus | say something bad about Cherry Mini Keyboard :) |
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| 12:30.27 | johnx | it doesn't really taste like cherries? |
| 12:30.32 | slonopotamus | http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/image/acsessories/cherry-usb-kb/pic7.jpg |
| 12:30.35 | slonopotamus | http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/image/acsessories/cherry-usb-kb/pic7.jpg |
| 12:30.47 | slonopotamus | woops |
| 12:30.52 | slonopotamus | i did something nasty |
| 12:31.02 | slonopotamus | ctrl+l clears history |
| 12:31.09 | Stskeeps | heh |
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| 12:33.25 | aquatix | slonopotamus: the cherry isn't wireless! ;) |
| 12:33.31 | aquatix | has an iGo bt keyboard |
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| 12:34.20 | slonopotamus | aquatix, i don't want wireless at the moment. because in order to use it i'll have to setup bluetooth in my gentoo port. |
| 12:34.29 | aquatix | ah :P |
| 12:34.37 | aquatix | well, that cherry kb looks nice |
| 12:35.27 | slonopotamus | doesn't have a thing to place tablet on it (don't know how it is called) |
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| 12:35.42 | aquatix | myeah, no holder indeed |
| 12:35.54 | slonopotamus | yep, holder |
| 12:35.55 | aquatix | that's bad? |
| 12:36.01 | slonopotamus | don't know :) |
| 12:36.02 | aquatix | it's generally flaky anyway |
| 12:36.11 | aquatix | and the n800 has a stand of itslef |
| 12:36.13 | aquatix | *itself |
| 12:36.18 | aquatix | bashes his keyboard |
| 12:36.25 | slonopotamus | i hope it will work without any configuration. |
| 12:36.35 | aquatix | let us know ;) |
| 12:36.39 | slonopotamus | huh |
| 12:37.04 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you should look into qwerty12's g_serial |
| 12:37.06 | Stskeeps | might help some things |
| 12:37.17 | Stskeeps | or utelnetd |
| 12:37.23 | Stskeeps | over usbnet |
| 12:37.30 | Stskeeps | that was the best tools when i did porting |
| 12:37.39 | slonopotamus | then i need network |
| 12:37.52 | Stskeeps | usb cable? :P |
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| 12:38.02 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:38.03 | Stskeeps | true. |
| 12:38.04 | Stskeeps | network. |
| 12:38.07 | Stskeeps | do it in chroot? |
| 12:38.07 | slonopotamus | i couldn't configure usbnet even with working device :) |
| 12:38.22 | slonopotamus | drivers magic in chroot? |
| 12:38.22 | Stskeeps | and do the bootstrapping in there |
| 12:38.25 | Stskeeps | well |
| 12:38.36 | Stskeeps | getting to a stage where you can get things going |
| 12:39.07 | slonopotamus | i think it will be easier to configure usb + screen than network. |
| 12:39.38 | Stskeeps | mm, g_serial + shell should be possible maybe |
| 12:39.49 | Stskeeps | doesn't require a lot of fancy |
| 12:40.30 | slonopotamus | :( this thing isn't sold here |
| 12:40.39 | slonopotamus | googling for g_serial |
| 12:41.01 | slonopotamus | "shell over usb". omg. |
| 12:41.39 | slonopotamus | it will give readonly access? |
| 12:41.57 | slonopotamus | oh, looks like read-write |
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| 13:03.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: might start popping in (C) my university on some things, - seems like i've navigated myself into a position where improvements i do reasoned by my uni pervasive platform to deblet will be paid over my wage .. :) |
| 13:03.34 | Stskeeps | (open source licensed still obviously) |
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| 13:05.20 | hrw | morning |
| 13:05.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: and power saving stuff and such may be that.. |
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| 13:09.27 | RST38h | moorning, hrw, AStorm |
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| 13:16.25 | notcoolbuthot | hi, does anyone have a gtk or gtkmm documentation in a more friendly form than the online documentation ? for example a help-like form, with tree view, search and tabs and inner links ? |
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| 13:21.58 | _berto_ | notcoolbuthot: install devhelp and libgtk2.0-doc |
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| 13:29.55 | notcoolbuthot | _berto_: thanks! this is exactly what I needed :p |
| 13:30.38 | _berto_ | :) |
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| 13:40.22 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, here? |
| 13:42.03 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 13:42.04 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, did you use standard Xorg or repackaged Xomap? |
| 13:42.29 | Stskeeps | repackaged xomap. xf86-video-omapfb is in progress at http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=tree |
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| 13:42.50 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, do i understand correctly, Xomap = Xorg + hackish patches? |
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| 13:43.11 | Stskeeps | xomap = xorg kdrive fbdev based with omap fb accel |
| 13:43.12 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 13:43.23 | Stskeeps | xorg in newer versions doesn't have kdrive |
| 13:44.08 | slonopotamus | new smart words... |
| 13:44.43 | slonopotamus | googling |
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| 13:45.23 | slonopotamus | hm |
| 13:45.36 | slonopotamus | kdrive is a tiny xserver |
| 13:45.46 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:45.57 | Stskeeps | maemo is moving to xorg + driver too so |
| 13:46.31 | slonopotamus | fix: kdrive WAS a tiny xserver |
| 13:46.51 | slonopotamus | so you can't have both kdrive and xorg |
| 13:47.08 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:47.09 | Stskeeps | well |
| 13:47.14 | Stskeeps | you can easily use the xorg infrastructure |
| 13:47.19 | Stskeeps | and then have kdrive as the X server |
| 13:47.41 | slonopotamus | ok. but real reason is video driver? |
| 13:47.49 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:47.59 | Stskeeps | xv accel is always nice to have. |
| 13:48.47 | slonopotamus | i see. |
| 13:51.01 | lcuk | agrees |
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| 13:52.27 | slonopotamus | i thought the worst programming thing is openssl. nope. crosscompiling is worse. |
| 13:52.47 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:53.04 | Veggen | slonopotamus: openssl is easy. but try serving SSL to cell phones. |
| 13:53.33 | slonopotamus | openssl has ugliest error messages in the world |
| 13:53.40 | slonopotamus | the? |
| 13:54.05 | slonopotamus | aquatix, correct me ;) |
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| 13:54.40 | aquatix | slonopotamus: yeah, +the :) |
| 13:55.08 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: the documentation is worse |
| 13:55.18 | Stskeeps | atleast it used t obe |
| 13:56.07 | slonopotamus | can't google omapfb driver sources... :( |
| 13:56.15 | slonopotamus | google up? |
| 13:57.28 | lcuk | slonopotamus, theres about 6 variations ;) have fun |
| 13:57.47 | slonopotamus | omg |
| 13:58.07 | lcuk | at least that i could find when i was looking and tryingto check things out |
| 13:58.28 | lcuk | probably from all different times and places but people have taken to including their own omapfb header and stuff |
| 13:59.04 | lcuk | does anyone wanna swap afternoons with me? |
| 13:59.31 | slonopotamus | what does 'swap afternoons' mean? |
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| 14:00.09 | lcuk | you can go into the dentists for me and ill try n recompile stuff for you |
| 14:00.17 | lcuk | on second thoughts, ill stick with the dentist |
| 14:00.57 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 14:02.10 | danielvaz | anybody know why the entrycompletion isn't accessible when it's inside a dialog? the completion strings are displayed but the user can't select anyone with touchscreen |
| 14:02.11 | lcuk | have you given up ondevice compilation then |
| 14:02.38 | danielvaz | i do test with entrycompletion outside of a dialog and it works fine. |
| 14:03.22 | slonopotamus | qemu can't compile with gcc-4*. great. |
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| 14:05.33 | RST38h | you are compiling qemu on a tablet? ;) |
| 14:06.21 | slonopotamus | hmm... you may think i'm crazy. but not THAT much |
| 14:07.39 | slonopotamus | however someone used dosbox on tablet (running win95). why not qemu? |
| 14:08.35 | slonopotamus | lcuk, you are right. several different sources. |
| 14:08.44 | jaska | win95... on tablet? *shivers* |
| 14:09.02 | slonopotamus | jaska, yep ;) |
| 14:09.24 | slonopotamus | jaska, it even works |
| 14:10.22 | jaska | slowly i imagine |
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| 14:10.47 | slonopotamus | jaska, yep ;) |
| 14:11.40 | lopz | hola |
| 14:12.06 | slonopotamus | lopz, lcuk... strange nicks |
| 14:12.34 | lopz | slonopotamus, hehe |
| 14:12.53 | lopz | slonopotamus, mi name is Jorge López :p |
| 14:13.02 | lopz | López == lopz |
| 14:13.13 | slonopotamus | ы |
| 14:13.18 | aquatix | just remove some characters from your name, done ;) |
| 14:13.20 | slonopotamus | oh. unicode. |
| 14:13.26 | aquatix | slonopotamus: perfectly fine here |
| 14:13.35 | aquatix | not that i can decypher it |
| 14:13.56 | lopz | xD |
| 14:14.01 | slnp | better? |
| 14:14.08 | aquatix | it's nice and short :) |
| 14:14.12 | RST38h | Meanwhile: The "quality" of New Zealand chaps' ejaculate has halved since 1987, with testicular output crashing from 110m sperm per millilitre to 50m, The Australian reports. |
| 14:14.16 | aquatix | but slonopotamus is fine for me |
| 14:14.26 | lopz | large :\ |
| 14:14.27 | aquatix | it's what tab-completion is for |
| 14:14.28 | RST38h | slnp isn't meaningful |
| 14:14.46 | aquatix | RST38h: ... |
| 14:14.54 | slonopotamus | huh |
| 14:15.02 | aquatix | RST38h: or they masturbate too much, or cellphones are evil ;) |
| 14:15.22 | RST38h | In NZ and AU, cellphones are your least problem |
| 14:15.34 | lcuk | thinks of snuffalufficus (google image search is your friend) |
| 14:15.34 | aquatix | wonders what kind of researchers perform such research |
| 14:15.39 | RST38h | Locals get 50% chance of skin cancer just from being in the sun |
| 14:15.40 | aquatix | RST38h: ghehe |
| 14:15.55 | aquatix | lcuk: sfw? |
| 14:16.05 | RST38h | aquatix: Bespectacled nerdy men in white coats! |
| 14:16.28 | lcuk | its from sesame street, it better had be! |
| 14:16.33 | aquatix | lcuk: ah |
| 14:16.55 | aquatix | some kind of platypus? |
| 14:16.59 | RST38h | lcuk: slonopotam is Heffalump in Russian translation |
| 14:17.00 | aquatix | sounds like it |
| 14:17.22 | lcuk | wooly mammoth |
| 14:17.25 | lcuk | type thing |
| 14:17.30 | lcuk | friend of big bird |
| 14:17.48 | RST38h | Disney presents it as an elephant, no wool |
| 14:18.04 | RST38h | But I guess they just did CFLAGS += -llibdumbo |
| 14:18.11 | aquatix | lcuk: ah |
| 14:18.15 | lcuk | http://www.pepperspollywogs.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/WindowsLiveWriter/SesameWorkshopPartyworks_E70F/watchplay%5B1%5D%5B3%5D.jpg |
| 14:18.35 | aquatix | right |
| 14:18.49 | aquatix | oh well, we have our own sesame street characters here anyway |
| 14:18.52 | aquatix | with a blue bird |
| 14:18.55 | aquatix | and such |
| 14:19.05 | aquatix | but i haven't watched it in, like 20 years ;) |
| 14:19.09 | slonopotamus | and they say i'm crazy |
| 14:19.09 | RST38h | lcuk: The thing on the left in that image is Cthulhu. |
| 14:19.19 | lcuk | heh |
| 14:19.20 | aquatix | RST38h: *g* |
| 14:19.33 | aquatix | in a thin disguise! |
| 14:19.33 | RST38h | lcuk: SEE His Tentacles? |
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| 14:19.42 | slonopotamus | slonnopotam is a creature from whinnie the pooh |
| 14:19.45 | lcuk | FAMILY CHANNEL |
| 14:19.54 | RST38h | yea, a baseball cap won't disguise Him this much |
| 14:19.58 | qwerty12 | lcuk: cut the shit :P |
| 14:20.04 | RST38h | slonopotamus: Heffalump |
| 14:20.04 | lcuk | i would hope his tentacles are covered up |
| 14:20.14 | RST38h | slono: That is what it is called in the original |
| 14:20.33 | RST38h | lcuk: Only with his prey. |
| 14:20.45 | slonopotamus | RST38h, ok) |
| 14:24.04 | qwerty12 | lcuk: Thanks for changing the key from Chr! |
| 14:25.06 | aquatix | oh, didn't know there was an elephant in Winnie the Pooh |
| 14:26.45 | jaska | hmm.. i wonder if remapping the other shift key is feasible |
| 14:28.16 | RST38h | aquaaquatix: It is never called by its name in there, but quite apparent |
| 14:28.16 | RST38h | aquatix: Same goes for Tolkien's Ring Trilogy |
| 14:29.21 | aquatix | there's an elephant in LotR? |
| 14:29.23 | aquatix | :P |
| 14:29.30 | slonopotamus | :-D |
| 14:29.34 | aquatix | quite big ones even |
| 14:29.39 | jaska | oliphants |
| 14:29.43 | slonopotamus | oh my. EspeonEefi has funky keyboard i guess |
| 14:29.58 | RST38h | yep |
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| 14:33.33 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 14:33.55 | slonopotamus | someone told me about cpu governor on tablet |
| 14:34.06 | slonopotamus | i don't see /proc/acpi |
| 14:34.20 | slonopotamus | or it's somewhere else? |
| 14:34.36 | RST38h | it is elsewhere |
| 14:34.58 | slonopotamus | where? |
| 14:34.59 | ShadowJK_ | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 14:36.18 | slonopotamus | ahha |
| 14:36.27 | slonopotamus | full governor list |
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| 14:38.32 | slonopotamus | it madly switches between 400 and 165 mhz |
| 14:39.41 | RST38h | while(1) { for(J=0;J<1000000;++J);sleep(1); } ??? |
| 14:41.13 | slonopotamus | ? |
| 14:41.37 | RST38h | that will madly switch between 400 and 165 MHz or something along these lines |
| 14:42.00 | derf | I certainly hope not. |
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| 15:14.39 | nelson | In the LED patterns file, does anybody know what the "trigger" means? |
| 15:16.16 | nelson | also, what happens when you ask for two patterns of equal priority? Do they run in sequence? |
| 15:17.13 | qwerty12 | I'll give you the same answer I gave last time when a question similar to this rose... |
| 15:17.19 | nelson | that would be kinda nice to be able to hand out multiple alerts. |
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| 15:18.52 | lcuk | WARNING: dental injection detected, please ensure all SQL parameters are correctly quoted |
| 15:21.44 | Stskeeps | poor lcuk |
| 15:22.43 | lcuk | Stskeeps, this has gone on for too long :'( |
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| 15:35.29 | RST38h | lcuk: Don't let them do a JOIN! |
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| 15:43.39 | ToyKeeper | Is there any way to type a Tab from the n810 hardware keyboard? |
| 15:43.50 | derf | ^I |
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| 15:44.34 | ToyKeeper | That may work in xterm, but fails in GUIs. |
| 15:45.29 | ToyKeeper | I could swear that Sh-Space or Fn-Space did it once, but it doesn't now. |
| 15:47.01 | lcuk | RST38h, its the global deletion i was afraid of, but its worse: he got root |
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| 15:48.16 | lcuk | ToyKeeper, if you bought your device second hand someone could have added it - the combo you specify has been written about in numerous places |
| 15:48.20 | lcuk | it can be done |
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| 15:51.45 | ToyKeeper | Ah, regular xmodmap stuff. That should make it easy. :) |
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| 15:53.19 | ToyKeeper | Except, of course, for the lack of an xmodmap binary. :( |
| 15:53.40 | qwerty12 | http://mg.pov.lt/770/ |
| 15:54.02 | qwerty12 | If you dislike adding repos: http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/xmodmap_1.0.2-0ubuntu1mg1_armel.deb |
| 15:54.20 | ToyKeeper | Thanks. :) |
| 15:54.36 | qwerty12 | np |
| 15:54.45 | ToyKeeper | I don't mind adding repos, but I find it very odd that core utilities aren't in the primary feeds. |
| 15:54.58 | qwerty12 | gets on with making transmission look better on tablet |
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| 15:55.23 | qwerty12 | ToyKeeper: If someone wished to, it could be uploaded to extras[-devel] :) |
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| 15:56.42 | qwerty12 | Grr, something tells me deleting .svn folders from transmission was a bad idea |
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| 16:08.57 | qwerty12 | A question, what size is the icon that comes up when you press the home button and the programs running are there? |
| 16:09.06 | zakkm | Hi, I was wondering if there was any N800's .. some defect that Wifi didnt work or SD cards? |
| 16:09.37 | Stskeeps | zakkm: i haven't heard of direct wifi problems really |
| 16:09.40 | Stskeeps | or sd card problems |
| 16:09.50 | Stskeeps | .. except for the slot getting wet, but that's a different story |
| 16:10.10 | zakkm | k im suppose to buy one used off someone for $150 .. and i dont really have a sd card to check .. and theres no wifi where we're meeting i dont think |
| 16:10.26 | zakkm | in like 2 hours. |
| 16:10.35 | Stskeeps | look for scratches, that it boots, - there's supposed to be a 64m flash along i believe? |
| 16:10.48 | zakkm | Also, Is $195 alot for a Nokia n800 still in box ( Canadian dollars ) |
| 16:10.54 | Stskeeps | no, it's a decent price |
| 16:11.03 | Stskeeps | just verify it's not a rock, that the stand is okay |
| 16:11.08 | Stskeeps | and stylus is there |
| 16:11.10 | Stskeeps | and battery |
| 16:11.12 | zakkm | person put it up for $250 .. im like ill give $170.. hes like best i can sell to you is $195 |
| 16:11.15 | Stskeeps | that it boots |
| 16:11.31 | zakkm | i have stylus's from my old nokia 770 ? |
| 16:11.37 | Stskeeps | yeah, but they won't fit probably |
| 16:11.39 | Stskeeps | in the casing |
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| 16:11.41 | zakkm | oh really? |
| 16:11.44 | zakkm | weird ;p |
| 16:11.54 | zakkm | battery? isnt that cheap to replace anyways? |
| 16:11.56 | zakkm | like $20 ? |
| 16:11.57 | Stskeeps | possibly |
| 16:12.06 | Stskeeps | but im just trying to keep you defrauded :P |
| 16:12.13 | zakkm | its a nokia BP-5 right? |
| 16:12.15 | zakkm | ah |
| 16:12.22 | zakkm | well lol if it doesnt turn on. . i wont buy ;p |
| 16:12.26 | Stskeeps | look at the external and internal sd ports |
| 16:12.27 | Stskeeps | so |
| 16:12.53 | Stskeeps | (pop under stand and under battery cover) |
| 16:12.53 | zakkm | i have no SD's to check .. |
| 16:12.56 | zakkm | is there another way ? |
| 16:12.58 | Stskeeps | just check the ports look o |
| 16:13.00 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 16:13.37 | zakkm | you know what.. therre should be some "check" program on it :P |
| 16:13.41 | zakkm | for stuff like this |
| 16:13.41 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 16:13.58 | zakkm | just my opinion :P |
| 16:14.02 | Stskeeps | is it fresh from box? |
| 16:14.07 | zakkm | no |
| 16:14.09 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:14.20 | Stskeeps | scratches on screen, definately check |
| 16:14.23 | zakkm | this other guy is willing to give me a brand new in box. .for $195.. |
| 16:14.29 | zakkm | the used one im buying in a few hours = $150 |
| 16:14.31 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:14.36 | Stskeeps | see how it works i guess |
| 16:14.41 | Stskeeps | there's wifi in odd places |
| 16:14.51 | zakkm | im in Toronto :P |
| 16:14.54 | zakkm | there is but locked.. |
| 16:15.32 | Stskeeps | that's fine |
| 16:15.43 | Stskeeps | if it detects it, it most likely will connect |
| 16:15.45 | zakkm | that would be mean it works? |
| 16:15.49 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:15.52 | zakkm | most likely.. |
| 16:16.06 | Stskeeps | if it can send out a probe and receive answers, yes, it works :P |
| 16:16.30 | zakkm | k |
| 16:16.39 | zakkm | sorry i didnt take gr12 computer engineer.. ( networking.. ) |
| 16:16.49 | Stskeeps | me neither, really |
| 16:16.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:16.58 | Stskeeps | i just a comp.sci course about networks |
| 16:17.07 | Stskeeps | and general knowledge about the stuff |
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| 16:17.19 | Stskeeps | goes try to boot his beagleboard |
| 16:17.28 | zakkm | beagleboard? |
| 16:17.36 | Stskeeps | www.beagleboard.org |
| 16:18.02 | zakkm | wtf? |
| 16:18.07 | zakkm | so its a laptop ? |
| 16:18.09 | zakkm | i dont get it |
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| 16:18.49 | Stskeeps | it's a very tiny tiny 600-700mhz ARM computer, with 256mb internal flash, s-video, dvi/hdmi out, sound out/in |
| 16:18.53 | Stskeeps | and 128mb ram |
| 16:19.00 | Stskeeps | usb, serial |
| 16:19.06 | zakkm | whats the purpose? |
| 16:19.16 | zakkm | ARM? why ARM? |
| 16:19.20 | zakkm | that makes it so limited? |
| 16:19.22 | Stskeeps | it also takes 1-2W. |
| 16:19.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:19.28 | zakkm | on full load? |
| 16:19.31 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 16:19.38 | Stskeeps | can run from usb power |
| 16:19.40 | zakkm | can you install maemo on it? |
| 16:19.48 | zakkm | wait what? |
| 16:19.49 | Stskeeps | some have done that, but it's not very portable |
| 16:19.53 | zakkm | so you plug it into your normal pc? |
| 16:19.56 | Stskeeps | you can |
| 16:19.59 | Stskeeps | or power from wall |
| 16:20.15 | zakkm | i dont see the purpose :P |
| 16:20.20 | zakkm | waste of $149 |
| 16:20.23 | Proteous | you just lack imagination |
| 16:20.26 | Proteous | don't blame us |
| 16:20.28 | Stskeeps | yes, what Proteous said |
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| 16:20.39 | Stskeeps | zakkm: also, the new nokia tablets are the same architecture as this board |
| 16:20.44 | zakkm | i know |
| 16:20.50 | ToyKeeper | I don't suppose there's any way to make Fn/Shift/Chr/Ctrl sticky, is there? (So, 'G' would be: press shift, release, press g, release) |
| 16:20.50 | zakkm | OMAP2 though isnt it? |
| 16:20.52 | zakkm | not OMAP3? |
| 16:20.52 | Stskeeps | OMAP3 |
| 16:20.56 | zakkm | ohh |
| 16:20.58 | zakkm | the next one? |
| 16:21.01 | zakkm | next nokia? |
| 16:21.01 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:21.16 | Stskeeps | zakkm: and it's a full computer for 149$ really |
| 16:21.16 | Stskeeps | add sd card and you got a linux computer |
| 16:21.21 | zakkm | but ARM .. :P |
| 16:21.23 | Stskeeps | pft. |
| 16:21.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:21.29 | Stskeeps | it's good for the environment. |
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| 16:21.32 | Stskeeps | think of the children. |
| 16:21.39 | Stskeeps | zakkm: and your tablet is ARM too |
| 16:21.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:21.42 | zakkm | theres barely any binaries for ARM .. and compiling on a 600mhz arm ? |
| 16:21.43 | zakkm | ;p |
| 16:21.46 | zakkm | no its not |
| 16:21.49 | zakkm | i dont have one yet |
| 16:21.49 | zakkm | :P |
| 16:21.51 | Stskeeps | zakkm: entire debian exists for armel |
| 16:21.53 | Stskeeps | well, 99% |
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| 16:21.55 | zakkm | my 770 got WSOD... |
| 16:21.56 | Proteous | ToyKeeper: on my n810 everything is stickey except control |
| 16:22.04 | Stskeeps | ubuntu exists too |
| 16:22.05 | Stskeeps | fedora |
| 16:22.23 | zakkm | ;pp sounds good |
| 16:22.27 | zakkm | its all coming to me now |
| 16:22.41 | zakkm | external power supply, SD card, that.. and thats it? :P |
| 16:22.47 | zakkm | monitor, keyboard, mouse? |
| 16:23.06 | ToyKeeper | Well, none of the modifiers are sticky on mine. I have no idea why. |
| 16:23.27 | zakkm | Is there like "distros" of maemo .. ppl make? |
| 16:23.31 | AngieQ | mine are sticky also |
| 16:23.32 | Stskeeps | not yet |
| 16:23.48 | zakkm | damn, that'll be cool |
| 16:24.00 | Stskeeps | zakkm: a computer to power by a usb charger or a power supply, add sd on 8gb, add dvi/hdmi or TV, usb hub and keyboard & mouse |
| 16:24.03 | Stskeeps | and you're set |
| 16:24.17 | zakkm | on a 600mhz ARM.. on a TV res .. :P |
| 16:24.26 | Stskeeps | or on a flatscreen |
| 16:24.34 | Stskeeps | it can handle 720p |
| 16:24.37 | Stskeeps | don't underestimate it |
| 16:24.41 | zakkm | lol |
| 16:24.44 | zakkm | 720p sucks |
| 16:24.48 | zakkm | my 17" does 1280x1024. . :P |
| 16:24.56 | Proteous | yeah, 109292834885899393p is where it's at |
| 16:25.03 | zakkm | wtf? |
| 16:25.04 | AngieQ | lolo |
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| 16:25.11 | zakkm | squareroot it :P |
| 16:25.12 | Stskeeps | zakkm: you suck, i'm going to go boot my debian on this thing :P |
| 16:25.18 | zakkm | lol |
| 16:25.22 | zakkm | $149 is alot :P |
| 16:25.23 | Proteous | zakkm is a wet blanket |
| 16:25.34 | zakkm | My D945gclf ( Mini-ITX , Atom CPU ) costed me $74 |
| 16:25.43 | zakkm | i added ram, powersupply, harddrive |
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| 16:26.33 | Proteous | I have a via eden cl-6000 miniITX board that I installed into a tape drive |
| 16:26.34 | zakkm | tiny isnt always better ;p |
| 16:26.40 | zakkm | lol |
| 16:26.42 | zakkm | where you get a tape drive? |
| 16:26.46 | zakkm | those things are expensniveeee |
| 16:26.47 | Proteous | er, tape deck |
| 16:27.03 | zakkm | yeah but mine runs mac osx :) |
| 16:27.12 | zakkm | im on it now.p its my main pc |
| 16:27.20 | ShadowJK_ | zakkm, haha you suck, I have D945GCLF2 ! |
| 16:27.25 | Proteous | http://mike.ogaz.org/files/closedfront.jpg |
| 16:27.26 | zakkm | those are crap |
| 16:27.31 | zakkm | bad osx x86 support |
| 16:27.44 | zakkm | ShadowJK: i bought it like a week before 2 came out |
| 16:27.58 | bapt | is there a way to have alternative modern images for N770 os2006 is quite old now |
| 16:28.00 | zakkm | ShadowJK_ * |
| 16:28.20 | zakkm | Hey is there a way to have OS2005 skin on Diablo? I really like it :P |
| 16:28.27 | Proteous | bapt, sorta |
| 16:28.37 | Proteous | there are the hacker edition OS images |
| 16:28.51 | ShadowJK_ | I pre-ordered the -2 before it came out |
| 16:28.54 | Proteous | they aren't amazingly stable |
| 16:29.14 | zakkm | noo |
| 16:29.15 | bapt | :( |
| 16:29.24 | bapt | I'll try it anyway thanks |
| 16:29.24 | zakkm | Im talking about .. im about to buy a n800.. and install diablo |
| 16:29.28 | zakkm | but i like the OS2005 look .... |
| 16:29.38 | Proteous | ... |
| 16:29.56 | zakkm | what? i had a nokia 770 and i really liked the look better -.- |
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| 16:30.28 | zakkm | hacker editions are slow --.- yeah i know theres ram and low cpu to blame but yeah |
| 16:30.48 | zakkm | ShadowJK_ : ahh.. my old pc failed on me.. so i had to buy something quick |
| 16:31.03 | zakkm | ShadowJK_ : my first D945gclf.. caught into smoke :P |
| 16:31.12 | zakkm | they gave me a full exchange ;p |
| 16:31.28 | zakkm | they said refund or exchagne.. im like ill take exchange ;p |
| 16:31.45 | bapt | Proteous: thanks I didn't know about it before, I'll test that asap |
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| 16:33.11 | ShadowJK_ | did you remove the fan or something? |
| 16:33.19 | zakkm | no |
| 16:33.56 | zakkm | a capacitor failed i guess.. and one part of the motherboard went reallyyy hot.. one of the chips. and smoke cant out from it |
| 16:34.02 | zakkm | relally hot = really red.. |
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| 16:34.17 | zakkm | I forget what they're called. |
| 16:34.23 | zakkm | the black thing. with legs.. |
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| 16:35.51 | Proteous | transistors |
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| 16:36.09 | Proteous | well |
| 16:36.18 | Proteous | the tube shaped things are capacitors |
| 16:36.27 | Proteous | and only have 2 lets |
| 16:36.42 | Proteous | the black square things with 3 legs are transistors |
| 16:36.45 | zakkm | i know capacitors |
| 16:36.50 | zakkm | ah yes |
| 16:36.52 | zakkm | trnasistors |
| 16:36.59 | ShadowJK_ | there are no transistors on the board... |
| 16:37.07 | zakkm | there fucking is |
| 16:37.10 | zakkm | omg |
| 16:37.12 | ShadowJK_ | But there are a few flat multilegged things |
| 16:37.16 | zakkm | yeah |
| 16:37.18 | zakkm | those |
| 16:37.24 | zakkm | switches are they? |
| 16:37.44 | zakkm | whatever, i failed computer engineer.... one went red.. and huge smoke came out |
| 16:37.45 | ShadowJK_ | One of the realtek chips on mine runs a bit hot, I think it's a clock generator |
| 16:38.01 | zakkm | anyways.. it was a defect anyways |
| 16:38.07 | zakkm | power off.. fan still span |
| 16:38.13 | zakkm | etc. |
| 16:38.28 | Proteous | no transistors on the board.... |
| 16:38.28 | zakkm | wasnt my fault. |
| 16:38.34 | Proteous | what do you think computers are made of? |
| 16:38.35 | zakkm | whatever lol |
| 16:38.48 | zakkm | i dont know what they're called!!! |
| 16:38.50 | zakkm | i just said that |
| 16:39.00 | zakkm | someone else said transistors |
| 16:39.01 | Proteous | was talking to ShadowJK_ |
| 16:39.09 | zakkm | w.e |
| 16:39.14 | Proteous | :P |
| 16:39.15 | zakkm | it was a defect.. so i got a new one :P |
| 16:39.26 | zakkm | I have to go head for skool ( on lunch break ) and call the guy about the nokia . |
| 16:39.28 | Proteous | w00t |
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| 16:39.38 | Proteous | talk to a man about a horse |
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| 16:51.11 | ToyKeeper | Well, great. After some minor changes, rebooting causes a shutdown. |
| 16:51.45 | ToyKeeper | Or, a reboot loop, anyway. |
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| 17:09.54 | qwerty12 | ~lart effin power cuts |
| 17:09.54 | infobot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at effin power cuts |
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| 17:11.27 | ToyKeeper | So, after getting stuck in a reboot loop in diablo, is there any way to get a copy of the mtd contents or access a recovery mode? |
| 17:11.50 | Stskeeps | got bootmenu with usb recovery? :P |
| 17:11.55 | ToyKeeper | Nope. |
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| 17:12.28 | qwerty12 | has to ponder why every person who asks that question doesn't have bootmenu |
| 17:12.42 | Stskeeps | because they wouldn't ask if they did :) |
| 17:12.52 | qwerty12 | True, true :) |
| 17:12.59 | Stskeeps | continues fighting with the beagleboard |
| 17:13.21 | ToyKeeper | It'd be nice if the default wasn't so fragile. |
| 17:13.42 | Stskeeps | ToyKeeper: we're hoping to include some good things in community edition :P |
| 17:13.44 | Stskeeps | or whatever its name is |
| 17:13.56 | slonopotamus | btw |
| 17:14.24 | slonopotamus | restart loop was because of disc space? |
| 17:14.31 | Stskeeps | it can be a lot of things really |
| 17:14.32 | ToyKeeper | Nope, plenty of space. |
| 17:15.18 | ToyKeeper | My guess is it didn't like a setting in /etc/osso-af-init/ |
| 17:15.26 | slonopotamus | i didn't have it. even with coreutils installed on flash clone |
| 17:16.08 | jagernot | hello i have compiled the maemo_hello app. how do i copy it out of scratch box into my home dir to copy then to n810? thanks. |
| 17:17.40 | melmoth | i use scp |
| 17:17.43 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what the hell is http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/contrib/deblet-flashplayer/fakehildon.c ? :) |
| 17:17.46 | ToyKeeper | I changed the matchbox dialog mode from 'static' to 'free', and tried to restart to check if it worked. |
| 17:18.25 | ToyKeeper | So, no way to recover data or edit files or the device without reflashing over everything? |
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| 17:19.03 | slonopotamus | rule #1: do not use internal flash |
| 17:19.22 | AngieQ | ToyKeeper: well... thi internal card on a n810 seems to survive flashing, although i never trust it for critical stuff |
| 17:19.29 | jagernot | slo: is that for me? i was thinking of copying to internal flash |
| 17:20.05 | slonopotamus | jagernot, to ToyKeeper |
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| 17:20.42 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: a trick not enough people have noticed |
| 17:20.58 | slonopotamus | sd clone is good because inn case of error you'll be able to extract data using card-reader |
| 17:21.12 | slonopotamus | s/inn/in |
| 17:22.36 | jagernot | is it possible to copy mameo_hello from inside scratchbox to n810? |
| 17:22.47 | jagernot | i thought of copying to the internal flash card |
| 17:22.55 | jagernot | and running it via the xterm |
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| 17:23.41 | Veggen | jagernot: think the cards are mounted no-exec. |
| 17:23.57 | Stskeeps | jagernot: dpkg-buildpackage it i guess and put deb on |
| 17:24.00 | qwerty12 | + formatted with fat by default |
| 17:24.16 | ToyKeeper | If rule #1 is not to use the internal flash, it seems awfully ignorant of axiom #1: 99% of the population uses defaults 99% of the time. |
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| 17:25.58 | jagernot | Stskeeps: i type dpkg-buildpackage maemo_hello? |
| 17:26.23 | t_s_o | hmm, that aigo/gigabyte mid seems to have a comparable batterylife to the N800... |
| 17:26.44 | ToyKeeper | I'd expect this sort of failure mode on a preview 770 unit in 2005, but it seems rather out of place 3 years later. |
| 17:27.20 | Stskeeps | ToyKeeper: internal sd card, flash is differennt |
| 17:28.17 | Stskeeps | jagernot: scp it over ? |
| 17:29.31 | ccooke | Heh. anyone seen the iKit? |
| 17:31.32 | ccooke | It looks like someone shrunk a Zaurus slightly, gave it a horribly ugly keyboard and a QVGA screen and internal wifi. |
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| 17:32.23 | t_s_o | hmm, doing some file renaming seems to have confused the hell out of liqbase... |
| 17:32.48 | lcuk | well what did you try to do? |
| 17:33.31 | t_s_o | i had two text files with the same name, one of wich i have opened in liqbase earlier. then i deleted that one, and renamed the other to match... |
| 17:33.52 | ToyKeeper | If I try to boot, I get the white nokia screen, then the progress bar goes gradually across the screen (all the way), and then it reboots. |
| 17:33.53 | lcuk | i nthe same folder |
| 17:33.55 | t_s_o | now i cant open the renamed file... |
| 17:33.59 | t_s_o | yep |
| 17:34.22 | t_s_o | in the book selecter i see a 0 next to the file name... |
| 17:34.24 | lcuk | what does it do when you try opening it |
| 17:34.41 | t_s_o | not just ignores it from what i can tell |
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| 17:35.07 | t_s_o | oh wait, there it responded. but im not sure if its the new or old file, as the layout seems strange... |
| 17:35.12 | lcuk | any chance you could send me the log |
| 17:35.26 | lcuk | ill get to the bottom of it |
| 17:35.34 | lcuk | its probably the history list thats not worked |
| 17:36.02 | lcuk | and since im in lb at the moment now might be the best time :) :P |
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| 17:36.28 | zs | hi i can't flash my n810, i got a message "Suitable USB device not found, waiting", what should i do now? |
| 17:36.33 | jagernot | hi Stskeeps: thanks, i have got it into n810 on the internal card but cant run it :( |
| 17:36.45 | Stskeeps | jagernot: chmod a+rx it |
| 17:36.47 | jagernot | permission denied..cant chmod +x it |
| 17:36.51 | Stskeeps | copy it to /root |
| 17:36.54 | Stskeeps | or somewhere |
| 17:37.03 | jagernot | oh ok |
| 17:37.54 | t_s_o | meh, seems it was showing the new file, and i was simply not reading the book selection interface correctly |
| 17:38.39 | t_s_o | that and the layout was correct, i had just fiddled with it in fbreader for so long that i had compensated for it there |
| 17:39.39 | t_s_o | trying to convert pdf to text while attempting to keep things somewhat similar in layout, but allowing for reflows of the text can be a pain... |
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| 17:41.38 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:42.38 | lcuk | sbut its basically ok for now, as in lb isnt "that" confused (obviously the fileselect could do with some normalization and changes in near future) |
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| 17:42.49 | ToyKeeper | Can I perhaps put a bootable image on a SD card and get it to boot that instead? (then use it to recover data from the internal flash) |
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| 17:44.17 | Stskeeps | ToyKeeper: i sadly don't have a n810 else you could get a usbnet enabled initfs |
| 17:44.46 | ToyKeeper | I take it the initfs can be flashed without overwriting the root partition? |
| 17:45.06 | qwerty12_N800 | initfs images are generic |
| 17:45.22 | Stskeeps | ToyKeeper: yeah |
| 17:45.43 | ToyKeeper | Okay, this sounds promising. I've found these... http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs |
| 17:45.54 | Stskeeps | yeah, but they're installers, not initfs images |
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| 17:46.15 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. |
| 17:46.25 | bef0rd | um |
| 17:46.26 | Stskeeps | if you're really into hack foo, grab a fiasco image, extract initfs, mount its jffs2 on mtdram, patch |
| 17:46.40 | qwerty12_N800 | ToyKeeper, if you have some time and knowledge about mtd stuff, you can generate a usbnet image with bootmenu |
| 17:47.59 | t_s_o | i find it interesting how, if i hold the N800 so that the camera stalk extends towards the celing, the image on screen shows me upside down. at least thats the camera app. in liqbase, im shown the correct way however :P |
| 17:48.35 | lcuk | lol t_s_o ive not got an 800, but ive heard people can get upside down images |
| 17:48.48 | lcuk | i should really fix it :$ |
| 17:49.00 | ToyKeeper | Okay, I have some ideas to get me started. Thanks! :) |
| 17:49.08 | lcuk | but no1s ever give me a bug report |
| 17:49.14 | qwerty12_N800 | image rotation with camera is a gstreamer function which nokia camera apps are known to use |
| 17:49.21 | t_s_o | well, it shows it the correct way, if i just let it sit on the table using the stand. but if i rotate it 90 degrees to left or right, the image just becomes weird... |
| 17:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | s/gstreamer/v4l iirc |
| 17:49.50 | t_s_o | note however, im not talking about rotating the stalk |
| 17:50.16 | lcuk | yeah qwerty, never experienced the issue so cant cure it - no doubt with the camera saving being so easy in this version it will come to the fore |
| 17:50.16 | t_s_o | ugh, the amount of noice that camera produces... |
| 17:50.43 | lcuk | oh, you mean tearing like a bad cameraphone ;) |
| 17:50.55 | lcuk | and year, its VERY noisy in bad light |
| 17:51.19 | lcuk | i already half the saturation to try to at least give reasonable images (UV channels are most susceptable) |
| 17:51.40 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :). i'm not really so bothered, i hardly turn mine :p |
| 17:53.11 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, btw can i get version from inside liqbase or do i have to dpkg -s liqbase? |
| 17:53.12 | jagernot | wow my hello world runs! |
| 17:53.17 | jagernot | im so happy thanks guys |
| 17:53.44 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, ~/.liqbase/liqbase.run.log contains everything you need to know :) look at the top line |
| 17:53.58 | lcuk | or just run liqbase-run from the console |
| 17:54.06 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, ok, thanks! |
| 17:54.10 | lcuk | thanks for the reminder anyway |
| 17:54.17 | lcuk | i knew i wanted to do something |
| 17:54.22 | lcuk | im adding version to the front |
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| 18:03.54 | orangey | hey all! |
| 18:04.10 | orangey | I'm having some serious issues here with SIP calling - I can almost always hear the other side, but they can't hear me. |
| 18:04.17 | orangey | any ideas where I can look for that? |
| 18:04.35 | orangey | I also have it so that the nokia is the DMZ |
| 18:04.40 | orangey | but that doesn't seem to help. |
| 18:04.41 | qwerty12_N800 | have ogg support installed? |
| 18:04.47 | RST38h | moo again |
| 18:04.50 | orangey | I don't believe so. |
| 18:04.57 | orangey | should I install or uninstall it? |
| 18:05.19 | qwerty12_N800 | uninstall it if you do :) |
| 18:05.30 | qwerty12_N800 | (or delete speex codec) |
| 18:06.14 | orangey | "no matches" for OGG |
| 18:06.20 | orangey | and where is the speex codec? |
| 18:06.31 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, where are 11 previous qwerties? |
| 18:07.14 | qwerty12_N800 | orangey, it is only installed if you have ogg support. i don't think that is your problem. |
| 18:07.35 | qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus, no idea, this was a random nick :p |
| 18:07.40 | orangey | what's the package for ogg support? |
| 18:08.14 | orangey | ok. ogg-support |
| 18:08.19 | orangey | I certainly don't have that. |
| 18:08.25 | orangey | so, moving on.. any other ideas? |
| 18:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | wonders where dneary's hiding. |
| 18:11.54 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: debian on beagle just now :) |
| 18:12.10 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how's it feel? |
| 18:12.22 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: good :P |
| 18:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | Just, fyi, most of the precompiled stuff runs at 500MHz. |
| 18:12.34 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:12.37 | Stskeeps | no ui though, just bare debian |
| 18:13.30 | GeneralAntilles | and by "stuff" I mean "kernels" |
| 18:13.40 | rm_you | runs by |
| 18:13.41 | rm_you | hi |
| 18:13.41 | rm_you | bye |
| 18:13.44 | rm_you | leaves |
| 18:13.53 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ah |
| 18:13.54 | GeneralAntilles | impales rm_you and sticks him to the wall. |
| 18:14.07 | GeneralAntilles | u-boot may also be involved |
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| 18:17.00 | GeneralAntilles | Damn sjgadsby and his karma whoring |
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| 18:19.05 | Stskeeps | where do you see maemo karma these days? |
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| 18:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | Posting that damn bugjar everywhere he can find. :P |
| 18:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ |
| 18:20.45 | GeneralAntilles | Though it seems to be stuck . . . again. |
| 18:20.47 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. |
| 18:21.38 | Stskeeps | profile name "test" with karma 203, heh |
| 18:22.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 18:22.43 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, karma's been broken for a while. |
| 18:23.07 | GeneralAntilles | and does anybody have an opinion on http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2784 ? |
| 18:23.41 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, I'll talk to bergie about it. It seems to stop somewhere. |
| 18:27.09 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I don't have the behavior explained in the bug. No weird touch screen clicks for me. |
| 18:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, good enough for me. RESOLVING |
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| 18:36.30 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: I suggest to merge all tablet-* and nit-env* packages into one source package with many binary packages |
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| 18:37.17 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: possible, - they do share many of the same characteristichs |
| 18:37.20 | Stskeeps | (sp) |
| 18:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | Nice |
| 18:37.44 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i'll take that into consideration and look at it when i have time |
| 18:38.24 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: any justification for it though? |
| 18:40.22 | Stskeeps | .. or than they're small often meta packages :) |
| 18:41.00 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well it's just unneccesary duplication to have same template makefile, debian/rules for each of the packages :) |
| 18:41.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, true |
| 18:41.38 | suihkulokki | ..and it's approximately 1/20:th of the work to get one package instead of 20 packages to debian ;) |
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| 18:43.23 | suihkulokki | and it's fairly common idiom in debian packaging - see meta-gnome2, meta-kde, etc |
| 18:44.01 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i'm not sure if i discussed this before, but since debian armel is armv4t, and there would be a performance gain to taking some base packages and recompiling for let's say armv6el-vfp.. is it then just a matter of prioritizing repos in apt to get the optimized ones? |
| 18:45.04 | Stskeeps | (and maybe a custom repo to debootstrap from) |
| 18:46.31 | Stskeeps | while still being able to get unoptimized debian armel packages from the traditional repos |
| 18:46.32 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: that's a good start, atleast to figure out which packages/libs actually make any sort performance difference when compliled with armv6vfp |
| 18:46.55 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 18:47.25 | Stskeeps | since we deal with mobile devices it might make a difference as well for power consumption, but i'm not an engineer :) |
| 18:47.59 | suihkulokki | packages such as ffmpeg/mplayer which are known to be able to take advantage are already typically installed from a different repo (debian-multimedia.org) |
| 18:48.35 | Stskeeps | they differ on priority or versions? |
| 18:48.43 | suihkulokki | version |
| 18:49.20 | Stskeeps | and that's "good form"?, changelog item being "override version because of optimized compilation" |
| 18:49.22 | suihkulokki | although you can set apt priority to prefer the alternative archive |
| 18:49.26 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 18:50.15 | Stskeeps | think i'll put the two beagleboards at work to work on some builds eventually i guess :) |
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| 18:53.42 | suihkulokki | to get into debian, currently the way is to create a libfoo-<subarch> binary package, such as libc-i686 on x86 |
| 18:54.22 | Stskeeps | yeah.. and that gets messy after a bit i guess |
| 18:54.26 | suihkulokki | or even better, runtime detection |
| 18:54.42 | suihkulokki | yeah, the -arch doesn't really scale |
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| 18:56.35 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: you happen to know how "complete" debian-experimental's upstart is? i mean, obviously it might only do the sysv init stuff |
| 18:56.40 | suihkulokki | however, despite of what the gentoo fans claim, very few apps/libs manage to get significantly faster when compiled specifically for your cpu ;) |
| 18:56.58 | Stskeeps | i suspect gtk might like it, and maybe dash/bash :P |
| 18:57.12 | GeneralAntilles | Still, power is precious on the tablets |
| 18:57.17 | suihkulokki | not gtk, but cairo :) |
| 18:57.21 | Stskeeps | true |
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| 19:00.04 | zs | hi, i can't upgrade firmware on my n810, can anyone help me? |
| 19:00.05 | RST38h | the difference in performance between arm versions is not that great |
| 19:00.19 | Stskeeps | well, vfp must do a difference |
| 19:00.24 | RST38h | so, don't bother, although you may gain something from arm/thumb alternation |
| 19:00.26 | Stskeeps | for fp-intensive apps |
| 19:00.28 | RST38h | vfp will |
| 19:00.32 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it's already thumb though |
| 19:00.38 | RST38h | but fp intensive apps are few |
| 19:00.46 | Stskeeps | just means less packages to build ;) |
| 19:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | zs, just say what's wrong. |
| 19:02.35 | zs | GeneralAntilles: i am holding this swap button and there is no usb logo :/ |
| 19:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | Is usb plugged in? |
| 19:02.52 | zs | yes |
| 19:02.55 | GeneralAntilles | Did you power up while holding swap? |
| 19:03.04 | zs | yes |
| 19:03.09 | GeneralAntilles | Are you sure you have the right button (two overlapping rectangles)? |
| 19:03.20 | zs | yes |
| 19:03.39 | zs | there is a video on youtube, i am doing exaclty the same |
| 19:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | Try changing USB ports? |
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| 19:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have the charger plugged in? |
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| 19:05.46 | Stskeeps | usually just turns off tablet without charger on, plug in usb, start flasher, plug in charger |
| 19:06.24 | zs | charger? |
| 19:06.52 | Stskeeps | you know, the one that breathes life into your tablet |
| 19:07.01 | zs | yes i know |
| 19:07.10 | zs | but is it necessary? |
| 19:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | No, it shouldn't be plugged in. |
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| 19:08.23 | zs | doesn't work |
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| 19:10.34 | woglinde | hi |
| 19:10.45 | zs | how long should i hold those buttons down? |
| 19:10.53 | GeneralAntilles | It should pop up instantly |
| 19:11.00 | GeneralAntilles | Walk us through exactly the steps you're taking. |
| 19:11.11 | zs | ok |
| 19:11.24 | mgedmin | idly remarks that he never ever held any buttons down while flashing his three tablets |
| 19:11.31 | woglinde | *g* |
| 19:11.45 | woglinde | hm yes this description is annoying |
| 19:11.57 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, eh, if it's not going into flashing mode, then there are bigger problems. |
| 19:12.21 | woglinde | mgedmin is your powercord still inserted? |
| 19:12.28 | mgedmin | no |
| 19:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | zs, are you using Linux? |
| 19:12.33 | mgedmin | you can't flash while it's charging |
| 19:12.50 | zs | i connect my miniusb cable, i hold down this upper button, i hold power button down for 1 sec, device switch on and there is no usb connection logo |
| 19:12.57 | qwerty12_N80O | mgedmin, i've flashed it with the charger in |
| 19:13.08 | zs | GeneralAntilles: yes, and i tried on windows as well |
| 19:13.10 | lcuk | zs, double check the other end of the usb is plugged in ;) |
| 19:13.29 | lcuk | has forgotten that :$ |
| 19:13.30 | zs | lcuk: it is |
| 19:13.36 | mgedmin | zs: upper button? 'home' is the lower button |
| 19:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | http://blog.fon.com/en/archive/n810_02_web_low.jpg |
| 19:14.01 | mgedmin | qwerty12_N800: afaics you can charge while you're flashing, but you can't flash while you're charging |
| 19:14.02 | GeneralAntilles | Not on N810 |
| 19:14.22 | mgedmin | oh, darn |
| 19:14.22 | mgedmin | right |
| 19:14.26 | zs | mgedmin: swap button |
| 19:14.29 | mgedmin | hides head in a paper bag |
| 19:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | zs, start the Linux flasher |
| 19:14.43 | lcuk | hmmmmm quick q: for now, camera refresh 15fps but picks up less light at night, but smoother view. or 8fps more jerky but less grainy |
| 19:14.54 | zs | GeneralAntilles: done |
| 19:14.55 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 19:15.01 | lcuk | hiya woglinde :) |
| 19:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure USB is plugged in and power up the tablet with just the power button |
| 19:15.26 | qwerty12_N80O | mgedmin, sure, with the charger in, the tablet boots up but you have a time where nolo is there and if the usb is in, it starts flashing |
| 19:15.40 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 19:15.41 | woglinde | hm did he start falsher? |
| 19:15.45 | woglinde | ups flasher |
| 19:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, stop playing the technicalities game. :P |
| 19:16.10 | qwerty12_N80O | Grr, it's all true though :p |
| 19:16.14 | zs | GeneralAntilles: done |
| 19:16.40 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, 0.00000001s is not normally something an unoptimised human can achieve. yes we know data managed it, but hes not here any more |
| 19:17.30 | lcuk | by the way, has jott ascended? |
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| 19:17.56 | mgedmin | the tricky part is that people plug in the charger and then assume they can reboot the tabled by pressing the power button, which appears to work, but actually doesn't reboot |
| 19:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | zs, did it flash? |
| 19:18.15 | zs | no |
| 19:18.22 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the flasher just has to be started. |
| 19:18.25 | lcuk | mgedmin, :) i would liek a real power button |
| 19:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | zs, well, then it's the port at either end or the USB cable. |
| 19:18.39 | mgedmin | lcuk: it's called "pull the battery" |
| 19:18.40 | qwerty12_N80O | lcuk, exaggerate much? honestly, sometimes when my battery is dead and i need to reflash, i just put the usb cable in, leave the flasher searching for devices and plug in the pow cable |
| 19:18.51 | qwerty12_N80O | s/pow/power |
| 19:18.55 | mgedmin | qwerty likes living dangerously |
| 19:19.03 | qwerty12_N80O | lol |
| 19:19.08 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 19:19.19 | GeneralAntilles | Zombies! |
| 19:19.23 | lcuk | especially with his other nick |
| 19:19.58 | qwerty12_N80O | i cant believe that one was 2% lamer than qwerty12 :p |
| 19:20.10 | qwerty12_N80O | ^ more |
| 19:20.24 | lcuk | i cant believe your sum total lameness comes to over 100% |
| 19:20.39 | GeneralAntilles | can. |
| 19:20.57 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:20.59 | qwerty12_N80O | ~nickometer infobot |
| 19:21.10 | qwerty12_N80O | infobot, you fucker |
| 19:21.41 | qwerty12_N80O | GeneralAntilles, You're deluding yourself. :P |
| 19:22.03 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody's gotta keep that big head of yours in check. :P |
| 19:22.12 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, did anyone put up a flashing wiki which included big pictures of related models and arrows showing just which key it was meant to press |
| 19:22.24 | woglinde | lcuk nope |
| 19:22.25 | qwerty12_N80O | lol |
| 19:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I never managed to talk anybody into making me some nice pictograms. |
| 19:22.31 | woglinde | even the flash site now is blank |
| 19:23.05 | zs | GeneralAntilles: how long should i hold this swap button down? |
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| 19:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | zs, it should come up immediately. |
| 19:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | I'm blaming hardware at this point. |
| 19:23.20 | woglinde | hi moontiger |
| 19:23.29 | GeneralAntilles | Has it ever been successfully flashed before? |
| 19:23.35 | moontiger | waves :) |
| 19:24.11 | zs | GeneralAntilles: don't know i bought it today |
| 19:24.13 | aquatix | moontiger!1!1~eleven |
| 19:24.16 | aquatix | *cough* |
| 19:24.17 | qwerty12_N80O | zs, what's the battery level like on your tablet? does it hang at the nokia screen and then go off? |
| 19:24.53 | zs | qwerty12_N80O: it is fully charged |
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| 19:25.09 | moontiger | looks puzzled |
| 19:25.20 | Stskeeps | dbus-monitor --moontiger |
| 19:25.22 | moontiger | <--- eating lunch |
| 19:25.25 | lcuk | hiya moontiger good mornin and all that |
| 19:25.26 | GeneralAntilles | zs, if it's retail, I'd go exchange it. |
| 19:25.29 | moontiger | hahaha |
| 19:25.37 | aquatix | moontiger: enjoy :) |
| 19:25.47 | zs | GeneralAntilles: it is second handed |
| 19:26.05 | moontiger | i am ... i made it myself |
| 19:26.12 | zs | this device isn't available in my country |
| 19:26.41 | lcuk | could it be an actual problem just with the usb itself and how can you check.. |
| 19:27.54 | zs | lcuk: usb port works i can upload files on nokia |
| 19:28.32 | lcuk | ok, well firstly - you arent the first to have this trouble, i think everyones banged head about it |
| 19:28.52 | BugBlue | 21:28 -!- Irssi: Doing this is not a good idea. Add -YES option to command if you really mean it |
| 19:28.54 | lcuk | its an 810 |
| 19:28.56 | lcuk | is it/ |
| 19:28.57 | BugBlue | EPASTA |
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| 19:29.20 | mgedmin | ~nickometer |
| 19:29.26 | mgedmin | ~nickometer qwerty12_n80o |
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| 19:29.36 | qwerty12_N80O | lol |
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| 19:29.52 | qwerty12_N80O | ~nickometer mgedmin |
| 19:29.58 | mgedmin | haha |
| 19:29.59 | qwerty12_N80O | haha |
| 19:30.09 | qwerty12_N80O | the logic is flawed I tell you! |
| 19:30.23 | woglinde | *g* |
| 19:30.38 | qwerty12_N80O | grr, i'm the only lame one here :p |
| 19:30.56 | zs | lcuk: yes it is n810 |
| 19:31.54 | lcuk | it took me about 20 minutes the first time and i thought it was knackered |
| 19:32.35 | qwerty12_N80O | lol, i had my device flashed in 10 mins after taking it out the box ;P |
| 19:33.00 | qwerty12_N80O | though i was reading up before the n800 arrived at my doorstep |
| 19:33.39 | Stskeeps | same here |
| 19:33.53 | Stskeeps | but mostly cos i had a n800 at work :P |
| 19:36.14 | zs | another problem is with gps, it searching and searching and nothing :/ |
| 19:37.26 | lcuk | wait and see how it is after reflashing |
| 19:37.38 | lcuk | hmm "Press and hold the swap key and switch on the device" |
| 19:37.50 | lcuk | i thought you turned on, then pressed the swap key thing |
| 19:38.12 | woglinde | zs go outside |
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| 19:38.23 | woglinde | zs inside you do not get a good signal |
| 19:38.46 | RST38h | lcuk: Ok. Now, what about animals and microwave owens? =) |
| 19:39.24 | lcuk | ? |
| 19:39.34 | mgedmin | also, be prepared to wait 20 minutes to get your first gps fix |
| 19:39.43 | mgedmin | it's a bit faster after that |
| 19:39.53 | zs | lcuk: i hold the swap key and after i turned it on |
| 19:39.58 | mgedmin | otoh if you install agps-ui, the first fix may be quicker too |
| 19:40.31 | mgedmin | zs: with the charger disconnected before you turned off, and with the USB cable plugged in when you turned it on, and the flasher waiting on the other end? |
| 19:40.36 | lcuk | mgedmin, my gps seems to have worn in now, it gets a lock quickly - and i flatten the battery totally often |
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| 19:43.21 | zs | mgedmin: yes |
| 19:43.43 | zs | there is a video on youtube how to do that, i did it the same |
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| 19:44.23 | zs | i tried on gentoo, windows, it doesn't work :/ |
| 19:44.38 | mgedmin | weird :/ |
| 19:44.57 | mgedmin | no usb hubs in sight? |
| 19:47.39 | zs | how long should i hold down those buttons? |
| 19:48.08 | aquatix | and if you don't hold any buttons? |
| 19:48.36 | zs | it turns on |
| 19:48.57 | lcuk | http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html |
| 19:49.07 | lcuk | yes!!! why dont we ever give this site out? |
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| 19:49.39 | lcuk | it shows you for n800 and n810 |
| 19:50.17 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, why dont we give people this link? |
| 19:50.24 | zs | lcuk: i am doing like on those videos |
| 19:50.25 | lcuk | can you add it to the thingy |
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| 19:50.49 | Grackle | The topique? |
| 19:51.20 | lcuk | flashing! |
| 19:52.18 | lcuk | zs, disconnect power, pop the battery out for a few seconds and start cleanly |
| 19:52.55 | lcuk | if for whatever reason you are not in true power off mode and its not even getting to start, lets force the issue and be sure |
| 19:54.26 | zs | lcuk: for what is that blue led? |
| 19:54.56 | mgedmin | it shows you that you pressed the power button |
| 19:54.56 | lcuk | the poweron light in the corner? |
| 19:55.07 | lcuk | and if you release power too early it shuts off again |
| 19:55.10 | lcuk | its like a car starting |
| 19:55.13 | mgedmin | otherwise people would give up after a brief push |
| 19:55.23 | mgedmin | and think their tablet is broken |
| 19:55.35 | mgedmin | had big problems getting his first 770 to turn on, sometimes |
| 19:55.35 | lcuk | well i dont see why it needs a long push |
| 19:55.53 | lcuk | heh mgedmin do you have one of those crank starters :D |
| 19:55.57 | mgedmin | cellphone mentality? "let's design this thing so it doesn't turn on accidentally in your pocket" |
| 19:56.13 | lcuk | lets design this so it never turns off more like |
| 19:56.55 | lcuk | ok im vanishin anyway |
| 19:56.57 | lcuk | bbl |
| 19:57.21 | woglinde | nit lcuk |
| 19:57.43 | lcuk | isnt sleeping ;) |
| 19:57.53 | lcuk | theres code in them thar hills! |
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| 20:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk: |
| 20:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 20:01.31 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | Because I don't have control over krisse's content. :P |
| 20:02.24 | lcuk | wave ya gavel, that link up there has videos |
| 20:02.59 | lcuk | and maemo aint workgin |
| 20:03.35 | GeneralAntilles | Do the videos cover flasher and 770Flasher? |
| 20:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | If not, then it's a bit Windows-centric to link. |
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| 20:04.36 | RST38h | [in a sad, pleading voice] Anyone with embedded MIPS experience out there? ANYBODY? |
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| 20:04.41 | qwerty12_N80O | In all honesty, the windows sections of that wiki page are a bit vague :/ but it's a wiki. I should get off my ass and get editing. |
| 20:04.53 | qwerty12_N80O | s/are/is |
| 20:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N80O, it's vague because the Windows wizard walks you through everything. |
| 20:06.07 | Grackle | I used the windows flasher the first time I did it, just because it's brainless. |
| 20:06.23 | qwerty12_N80O | True :) |
| 20:07.02 | zs | i tried on laptop it works |
| 20:07.11 | zs | amazing :) |
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| 20:08.17 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:11.23 | Stskeeps | oh finally, a working scratch for diablo |
| 20:11.37 | Stskeeps | added apt-get -d install to the script. |
| 20:11.41 | Stskeeps | scratchbox, that is |
| 20:14.21 | RST38h | ~curse GCC compiler for not adhering to MIPS ABI |
| 20:14.22 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, GCC compiler for not adhering to MIPS ABI ! |
| 20:14.42 | woglinde | RST38h ??? |
| 20:15.15 | RST38h | woglinde: m@#$%king thing for some reason thinks it does not have to save $s0..$s7 |
| 20:15.31 | qwerty12_N80O | RST38h, burn this mips based product and use the money to get a nice arm based product |
| 20:15.45 | RST38h | qwerty: Not mine. Client insists on this one. |
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| 20:15.54 | qwerty12_N80O | Heh :/ |
| 20:16.06 | RST38h | It is not bad, really, runs real Linux on a 640x480 touch screen with XFCE |
| 20:16.25 | woglinde | RST38h hm which gcc version? |
| 20:16.27 | RST38h | It is just that nobody uses MIPS any more, so information is hard to come by |
| 20:16.39 | woglinde | RST38h wrong |
| 20:16.45 | woglinde | there a lot of peoples using mips |
| 20:16.52 | woglinde | ups people |
| 20:16.54 | RST38h | woglinde: mipsel-linux-gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 |
| 20:17.09 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:17.13 | woglinde | try a newer one? |
| 20:17.35 | woglinde | maybee binutils are broken too |
| 20:17.41 | RST38h | that is what I have got and I do not think the new one will suddenly start abiding by 20-years old MIPS ABI |
| 20:18.01 | RST38h | No, I did gcc -S and it does not look like it saves stuff |
| 20:23.13 | woglinde | hm n32 is not 20 years old |
| 20:27.01 | RST38h | 1981 John Hennessy |
| 20:27.15 | RST38h | Also see Hw Architecture textbooks by him |
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| 20:27.35 | RST38h | R3000 is 1988 |
| 20:27.56 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:27.57 | woglinde | okay |
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| 20:37.25 | hvelarde|stealth | anybody here uses VPNC with Diablo? |
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| 20:53.02 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 20:53.03 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | -users fails at quoting |
| 20:53.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, crashanddie. |
| 20:53.54 | crashanddie | Hey GA |
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| 20:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, andre___. |
| 20:59.49 | andre___ | w00t w00t! |
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| 21:22.13 | hellwolf | I was trying fakeroot apt-get install hildon-desktop-dev in my diablo scratchbox, but I got "subprocess dpkg-split killed by signal (Segmentation fault)," |
| 21:22.24 | hellwolf | I don't know what happened |
| 21:22.44 | Stskeeps | on ubuntu or? |
| 21:23.09 | hellwolf | maemo's scratchbox |
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| 21:31.03 | Stskeeps | hellwolf: well that obviously runs on something.. |
| 21:31.22 | hellwolf | I use fedora, but is it relevant |
| 21:32.44 | Stskeeps | well there's always the VDSO problem |
| 21:33.13 | Stskeeps | brb |
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| 21:34.06 | hellwolf | $ cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled |
| 21:34.06 | hellwolf | 0 |
| 21:36.01 | Stskeeps | mkay |
| 21:36.06 | Stskeeps | well not that then :) |
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| 21:41.11 | Bilaw | Hello all... |
| 21:44.17 | Bilaw | ... Help, please? I use Ubuntu, and have just bought a N810. I can't understand how on earth I can install a given app from the maemo platform (sorry for being so dumb). Can anyone tell me how to? |
| 21:47.45 | lardman | Bilaw: open the application manager |
| 21:48.35 | lardman | under the Settings menu |
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| 21:50.10 | Bilaw | OK, I have opened the app manager, lardman (hum, did I mention that I had no wifi connection around?).. |
| 21:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | Get a wifi connection |
| 21:51.06 | Bilaw | (oh. No way to install say, via an SD card, or the USB connection?) |
| 21:51.19 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, change the name of maemo-barcode and push it for Fremantle. |
| 21:51.25 | lardman | yes it's possible, but not ideal |
| 21:51.35 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: change name to what? |
| 21:51.45 | GeneralAntilles | Something that's compliant with the trademark. |
| 21:51.51 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'm going to do some work on it now actually |
| 21:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | barcode-for-maemo or something. |
| 21:52.01 | lardman | lower case "m" then? ;) |
| 21:52.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's lowercase for the unix name |
| 21:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | The issue is the ordering |
| 21:52.49 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo x is a violation |
| 21:52.55 | lardman | ok, do we have a wiki page about the trademark stuff? |
| 21:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper has an exemption because it was named before the trademark guidelines were put in place. |
| 21:53.07 | lardman | apologies for his ignorance |
| 21:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, or just see the maemo.org trademark page. :P |
| 21:53.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's only been that way since, like, 2006. :P |
| 21:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | ~branding |
| 21:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | ~brand |
| 21:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-brad |
| 21:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-brand |
| 21:53.50 | infobot | somebody said maemo-brand was https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand |
| 21:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/ |
| 21:54.14 | lardman | yeah, I ignore stuff like that usually, same with packaging ;) |
| 21:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I don't care much personally |
| 21:55.39 | lardman | no, thanks for the pointer |
| 21:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | it's just that I really want to see it in the Fremantle Stars deal. ;) |
| 21:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Get some direct support from Nokia. |
| 21:56.21 | lardman | I'll have to dig out my GTK+ docs and get coding some GUI stuff :) |
| 21:56.30 | lardman | yuck, GUIs ;) |
| 21:59.59 | GeneralAntilles | Get Nokia to do the GUI part. |
| 22:00.04 | derf | I would argue that they're not _that_ bad, but then you might want me to work on one. |
| 22:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | How are the UPC lookups handled? |
| 22:00.27 | lardman | at the moment they're not |
| 22:00.48 | GeneralAntilles | Get Nokia on that, too. ;) |
| 22:01.01 | lardman | 1d stuff works fine for decoding, getting that useable would be good - where useable is lookups + saving stuff, etc. |
| 22:01.19 | lardman | then the next step is to expand and add in derf's QR code |
| 22:01.49 | lardman | get the datamatrix working sufficiently fast and stick that in, and for me to add some frontend logic to the pdf417 code and stick that in too |
| 22:02.17 | lardman | 1D is probably the most useful for most people, qr and datamatrix cool, but less often seen (unless you're in Japan of course ;)) |
| 22:02.36 | Stskeeps | neat, i got qemu armel -> x86 with distcc using codesourcery cross compilers working :) |
| 22:02.46 | Stskeeps | that's such a prettier solution than scratchbox |
| 22:03.22 | lardman | hmm, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Proposals_for_Fremantle_Stars is waiting.......... |
| 22:03.33 | lardman | or rather my browser is waiting for it |
| 22:03.51 | GeneralAntilles | Where are those goddamn servers? |
| 22:03.56 | Stskeeps | a wiki should have very quick response time, honestly |
| 22:04.02 | GeneralAntilles | I thought we were supposed to be done with this nonsense by now. <_< |
| 22:04.09 | lardman | 770's dsp has caused another reset I guess ;) |
| 22:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | is gonna harass tekojo next time he's in. |
| 22:04.58 | lardman | what are the recommendations for databases? |
| 22:05.08 | lardman | which one to use for pretty basic stuff? |
| 22:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | The status reporting on the changeover has been disturbingly nonexistent or confusing. |
| 22:05.44 | Stskeeps | they're probably waiting for the midst of the next SSU |
| 22:05.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:05.59 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly we got new servers, and seemingly at least something was moved to them, yet absolutely nothing is any faster. |
| 22:06.08 | GeneralAntilles | In fact, things seem to be SLOWER if that's actually possible. |
| 22:06.11 | hellwolf | Is there any simple directory based music player with a gui |
| 22:06.19 | hellwolf | I don't want any music database |
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| 22:06.57 | lardman | mplayer has a gui iirc |
| 22:07.18 | qwerty12_N800 | doesn't show mp3s |
| 22:07.31 | GeneralAntilles | Canola does directories |
| 22:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't have it index anything. |
| 22:08.35 | Stskeeps | i'm sure maemo.org runs a 770.. with metalayer-crawler going rampant |
| 22:08.44 | hellwolf | For example, I organize my music as author/album, and I constantly change my external sd card for different music, I just want a software don't do any extra index/database for me |
| 22:09.03 | derf | lardman: Maemo Mapper seems to use http://www.sqlite.org/ with some success. |
| 22:09.06 | GAN800 | hellwolf, like I said, Canola. |
| 22:09.20 | hellwolf | Ok, thanks, let me try |
| 22:09.35 | lardman | derf: I've heard people saying that it's heavy in some way and that I should use something else |
| 22:09.46 | derf | Well, then ask them what else :). |
| 22:09.49 | lardman | ah, perhaps sqlite is better |
| 22:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | Massive text file! |
| 22:10.09 | lardman | I was probably thinking mysql |
| 22:10.10 | derf | Yeah, I wouldn't use that. |
| 22:10.16 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'll put it on the list ;) |
| 22:10.40 | derf | The important point of sqlite, I think, is the "zero configuration" part. |
| 22:11.34 | lardman | sounds good |
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| 22:18.11 | lardman | is fennec worth trying? |
| 22:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | Probably worth trying |
| 22:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | Not worth keeping |
| 22:23.30 | lardman | right |
| 22:23.35 | lardman | did Bilaw quit? |
| 22:24.03 | lardman | I was going to suggest lots of devious strategies for routing over usb |
| 22:24.15 | derf | 17:54:55 -!- Bilaw [n=jul@mon75-8-82-230-81-163.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] |
| 22:24.35 | lardman | ah, my client must filter those, (or my eyes do) |
| 22:24.51 | derf | It _was_ half an hour ago. |
| 22:25.05 | lardman | yeah well, I'm laggy :) |
| 22:25.36 | lardman | how's the dsp code coming anyway? |
| 22:26.20 | ryoohki | is the new n810 wimax version out now? |
| 22:26.40 | lardman | sees sunshine for tomorrow |
| 22:26.59 | lardman | derf: that was aimed at you btw |
| 22:27.18 | derf | I haven't had any more time to play with it. |
| 22:27.28 | lardman | same here |
| 22:27.33 | derf | I did talk to the guy who did the original C55x port. |
| 22:27.55 | derf | Apparently Code Composer Studio has a much more recent version of c55x.h in it, which includes those missing compiler intrinsics. |
| 22:28.08 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 22:28.17 | derf | Presumably its compiler also actually expands them into something. |
| 22:28.18 | lardman | good excuse anyway :D |
| 22:28.46 | derf | The toolchain TI's website that you pointed to is from 2004. |
| 22:28.53 | derf | *toolchain on |
| 22:28.56 | lardman | yep |
| 22:29.04 | derf | His header was from 2006. |
| 22:29.11 | lardman | I've got a copy of CCS, I should install it and see what it's got in there |
| 22:29.18 | derf | Doesn't it require Windows? |
| 22:29.48 | lardman | yes, I'm using Windows atm (which is why I'm aimlessly talking rather than coding) :) |
| 22:29.57 | derf | Ah, all is made clear. |
| 22:30.35 | lardman | anyway, enough aimlessness, time to hit the sack |
| 22:30.41 | lardman | night chaps |
| 22:39.52 | GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, yes. |
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| 23:01.46 | TokyoDan | I installed PC Connectivity/USB Networking on my N810 Diablo. I click on Setup USB Networking in the control panel and I get and IP address on the USB port. I then connect the N810 to my Mac Leopard. But I can't ping that IP address from the Mac. I wonder what I'm doing wrong |
| 23:02.08 | GeneralAntilles | Why not use wifi ssh? |
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| 23:05.14 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 23:05.36 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles, it's so slow... |
| 23:05.49 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 23:05.56 | GeneralAntilles | I get ~700-900KB/sec |
| 23:06.07 | GeneralAntilles | Only slow when you're shuffling giant movies around. |
| 23:06.07 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles, wifi ssh has a very low ping.... specially if wifi is power saving in some moments |
| 23:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | Make your tablet idle on XChat in a semi-active channel. |
| 23:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | No more wifi psm issues. |
| 23:06.46 | Andy80 | :) |
| 23:06.59 | Andy80 | I'll try... now I'm writing from my eeepc ;) |
| 23:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
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| 23:09.56 | TokyoDan | wifi ssh? is there more info about that anywhere? |
| 23:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | Um? |
| 23:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | ssh <tablet's IP on your wifi network> |
| 23:11.00 | johnx | doesn't mac os x have a builtin sftp browser in finder? |
| 23:11.05 | GeneralAntilles | It does. |
| 23:11.40 | johnx | TokyoDan, I would recommend you try that for transferring files :) |
| 23:12.23 | TokyoDan | Thanks, I'll try that. But why isn't this mentioned in any of the Eclipse/Pydev/Pluthon docs? They only mention USB Networking to connect to the N810 when xferring/testing/running programs on the N810. |
| 23:13.21 | johnx | I really don't know |
| 23:13.37 | TokyoDan | johnx. builtin sftp browser? How do I use access that? |
| 23:13.53 | johnx | makes a raid on longterm memory |
| 23:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | Go -> Connect to server |
| 23:14.08 | TokyoDan | I mean I'll try ssh via my wifi. |
| 23:14.11 | GeneralAntilles | sftp://<tablet IP> |
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| 23:14.22 | johnx | errr...connect to server, sftp://user@192.168.1.5 |
| 23:14.26 | fie3 | I'm thinking about getting this bluetooth GPS... any objections? http://www.teletype.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=2558&Category_Code=100 |
| 23:14.30 | johnx | where that IP is the wireless IP of your tablet |
| 23:14.47 | johnx | anyways, usb networking is probably targetted at linux desktop users anyways, as usb networking is really simple over here |
| 23:15.05 | TokyoDan | ok but I don't want to JUST transfer file. I need the ability to run the files as with ssh. |
| 23:15.14 | GeneralAntilles | fie3, SiRF III kinda sucks |
| 23:15.24 | GeneralAntilles | Esepcially at that outrageous price. |
| 23:15.27 | johnx | TokyoDan, you can have both open |
| 23:15.37 | johnx | ssh in a terminal, and sftp for dragging files around |
| 23:15.47 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, what does it suck at? |
| 23:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | Being a GPS chip compared to other, better chips |
| 23:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4 |
| 23:16.04 | GeneralAntilles | Like the MTK in that one. |
| 23:16.13 | johnx | holy craps! $170? |
| 23:16.19 | TokyoDan | Great info you guys. Thanks. Sorry for asking such basic questions. |
| 23:16.27 | ryoohki | anyone know the cheapest way to get the n810 wimax edition? |
| 23:16.30 | johnx | no problem TokyoDan |
| 23:16.38 | johnx | ryoohki, steal it? |
| 23:16.44 | fie3 | The one I linked to has 55 hours of battery life. |
| 23:16.48 | TokyoDan | id ssh is used in a terminal, where is sftp used? |
| 23:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | fie3, with SiRF III? |
| 23:17.08 | johnx | TokyoDan, through finder like we said, or in a terminal if you want |
| 23:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's gotta have an absolutely massive battery for a GPS |
| 23:17.19 | GeneralAntilles | or that's idle time. |
| 23:17.28 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, that price is an insane ripoff. |
| 23:17.36 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, well there's the regular power version which is 10 hours and the "ultra low power" |
| 23:17.37 | TokyoDan | is sftp in a finder menu? |
| 23:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | fie3, just get the i-blue 737 |
| 23:17.50 | fie3 | TokyoDan, sftp is a CLI app |
| 23:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | TokyoDan, scrollback. |
| 23:18.08 | johnx | TokyoDan, or go -> connect to server -> sftp://tablet-ip |
| 23:18.08 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, what is the battery life on it? |
| 23:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | Go menu in Finder |
| 23:18.17 | TokyoDan | OK |
| 23:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | fie3, 20-26 hours in-use |
| 23:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | It'll idle for a week. |
| 23:18.29 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, ok that's cool. |
| 23:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | and it uses that Nokia battery that's in everything |
| 23:18.36 | johnx | TokyoDan, sftp is a protocol that many clients can use. |
| 23:18.39 | ryoohki | fie3: 55 hours of battery life?! |
| 23:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | So batteries are really easy to get ahold of. |
| 23:18.56 | fie3 | ryoohki, that's what it says. |
| 23:19.12 | fie3 | ryoohki, that's why it costs so much... I'm sure you could buy it for cheaper than that though. |
| 23:19.19 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, 5V 2400mAH battery in that $170 thing |
| 23:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | That'd explain it. |
| 23:19.39 | johnx | though I don't know any way you can get 5V out of li-ions... |
| 23:19.56 | fie3 | o-O |
| 23:20.03 | fie3 | why wouldn't you be able to get 5v out of liion? |
| 23:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | The i-blue uses a 800-1100mAH range battery. |
| 23:20.24 | johnx | well,you can get 3.7V with one cell or 7.4V with two cells |
| 23:20.31 | johnx | what do you do? cut a cell in half? |
| 23:21.01 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, we put johnx on a little generator bike to boost the voltage. :P |
| 23:21.17 | johnx | rides away on the bike |
| 23:21.19 | fie3 | 5v is kinda standard... that's what USB uses. |
| 23:21.34 | fie3 | Probably a proprietary sized. |
| 23:21.40 | fie3 | I dunno anyway |
| 23:21.46 | johnx | I guess so...but it just strikes me as odd |
| 23:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | spams wiki categories. |
| 23:21.51 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, Thanks for the tip. I might pick that up. |
| 23:22.08 | GeneralAntilles | fie3, it's a really nice GPS unit. |
| 23:22.22 | fie3 | GeneralAntilles, What software do you use? |
| 23:22.25 | fie3 | for GPS |
| 23:22.28 | GeneralAntilles | Get the 747 if you want built-in tracks. |
| 23:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper |
| 23:22.43 | fie3 | ok |
| 23:23.04 | fie3 | Maemo Mapper is the only app I could get working |
| 23:23.13 | mgedmin | it rules |
| 23:23.16 | fie3 | The maps one that came with it didn't work... I think I tried something else |
| 23:23.21 | fie3 | Maemo mapper seems kinda clunky. |
| 23:23.30 | fie3 | Getting the propper maps and all.. I dunno... |
| 23:23.47 | fie3 | Using google maps as the repo helped a lot though |
| 23:23.57 | fie3 | Anyway, heading out. Thx later. |
| 23:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, categories spammed. |
| 23:32.59 | TokyoDan | that worked, I ssh'ed to the N810 as root but I can only see a few directories: .; ..; .ash_history; .bashrc; .gnome2; .profile |
| 23:33.18 | TokyoDan | I can't see the usual UNIX file system |
| 23:33.56 | TokyoDan | got it. I was is "/root" |
| 23:34.20 | TokyoDan | now I can see everything. Thanks you guys. You cured my problems. |
| 23:35.26 | TokyoDan | now I can get on with Python/PyDec in Eclipse. |
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| 23:37.59 | johnx | TokyoDan, great! now make us some awesome apps :D |
| 23:40.06 | TokyoDan | I'll try. Got an old game that I want to port. Ran on Apple II. Sold 10 copies at a small Apple shop here in Tokyo back in 1984. |
| 23:49.58 | ToyKeeper | Well, that's interesting... after doing "flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset", my n810 isn't stuck in a reboot loop any more. It boots and works. |
| 23:50.47 | ToyKeeper | rsyncs / to another machine before the n810 has a chance to break again |
| 23:51.12 | johnx | heh...that means whatever is failing isn't crucial |
| 23:51.39 | ToyKeeper | Yeah. I'm not sure exactly which change broke it, but it wasn't anything important. |
| 23:52.34 | ToyKeeper | I added a /home/user/.Xmodmap file, changed a matchbox config option, and turned off hildon-input-method. |
| 23:53.24 | johnx | huh...turned off hildon-input-method? how? |
| 23:53.50 | ToyKeeper | I'm using SCIM instead. |
| 23:54.02 | ToyKeeper | As for how, insert 'exit 0' at the top of /etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.sh |
| 23:54.29 | johnx | well, yeah. that's probably it |
| 23:55.39 | johnx | nokia needs some kind of way to break reboot loops. some kind of "i rebooted automatically 3 times, I should try to make some best effort to start up so user can recover files then reflash." |
| 23:56.11 | ToyKeeper | Really, a lot of things should probably be re-thought from a different perspective. |
| 23:56.33 | ToyKeeper | It seems the design assumption is that it'd never fail, so no effort was spent on giving it a useful failure mode. |
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| 23:56.57 | johnx | heh...except that the "failure mode prevention" is what causes reboot loops |
| 23:57.21 | ToyKeeper | However, I haven't yet met a NIT user who hasn't gotten into a reboot loop, so the "won't fail" assumption is apparently bunk. |
| 23:58.14 | ToyKeeper | Every NIT has a physical Escape key... it should load console drivers and keyboard drivers early on, and allow Escape to drop into a text mode. |
| 23:58.26 | ToyKeeper | Even if text input isn't available (770 and n800), at least it'd show what's happening. |
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| 23:59.35 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that sounds incredibly useful for the average joe. |
