| 00:00.09 | qole | hm, like I said, it isn't showing |
| 00:00.29 | lcuk | its showing on n2 |
| 00:00.37 | qole | apt-get update; apt-cache policy liqbase shows nothing yet |
| 00:02.22 | qole | what's n2? |
| 00:02.59 | lcuk | second nokia |
| 00:04.01 | qole | I don't know about that |
| 00:04.05 | lcuk | clean test machine |
| 00:04.32 | lcuk | heh, sorry nicknames thread |
| 00:04.54 | qole | w00t, there it is! Another refresh did the trick |
| 00:05.11 | lcuk | damn no |
| 00:05.13 | lcuk | hold on |
| 00:05.25 | lcuk | 0.1.2 is goin up |
| 00:05.41 | lcuk | a qwertyism managed to creep back in |
| 00:05.48 | lcuk | ~lart qwerty12_N800 |
| 00:05.48 | infobot | runs at qwerty12_N800 with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 00:06.00 | qole | iqbase: |
| 00:06.06 | qole | oops |
| 00:07.20 | qole | I'm not going to install it till you say, I just wanted to see it appear |
| 00:07.25 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:07.54 | lcuk | right at the start qwerty put a message in the preinst |
| 00:08.13 | lcuk | i thought it had gone for good, but it came back |
| 00:09.00 | lcuk | at least now thanks to woglinde's help i can upload whenever i need to :) |
| 00:09.34 | qole | shakes woglinde's hand, vigourously |
| 00:09.58 | lcuk | [2008-10-19 03:13:18] liqbase 0.1.2 has been queued for loading into diablo extras-devel repository |
| 00:10.21 | GAN800 | lcuk, might be worth adding build number to your versioning for package changes. |
| 00:10.35 | GAN800 | 0.1.1-2 |
| 00:11.16 | woglinde | ah right |
| 00:11.23 | woglinde | if you change in code |
| 00:11.36 | woglinde | update the rev there |
| 00:11.44 | woglinde | if you change the packaging stuff |
| 00:11.56 | woglinde | add -x |
| 00:12.19 | woglinde | only in changelog |
| 00:13.34 | lcuk | i have automatic build number incrementing |
| 00:14.30 | lcuk | 21:08:21 Welcome to liqbase ver 0.0.8 build 2492 date 20081018 192933 |
| 00:14.35 | lcuk | i get things like that in the logs |
| 00:14.53 | woglinde | hm |
| 00:15.02 | woglinde | no thats onky on the builder |
| 00:15.54 | lcuk | ill just inc by 1 in the main package when i make a new one |
| 00:15.56 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager says "0.1.1" |
| 00:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | Add a hyphen and a build number on the end. |
| 00:16.06 | lcuk | iyeah cos its not there yet |
| 00:16.10 | GeneralAntilles | "0.1.1-3" |
| 00:16.58 | lcuk | why didnt u lot tell me this before :P |
| 00:17.10 | lcuk | im not uploadin another fluffin package |
| 00:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | Wait until your next update |
| 00:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | It'll make things easier for versioning. |
| 00:18.48 | qole | going outside for the last of the daylight... |
| 00:18.57 | lcuk | so the build number on the end isnt really important as long as its incrementing |
| 00:19.08 | lcuk | alright qole, speak to you later or somethin |
| 00:19.15 | lcuk | have fun |
| 00:21.22 | lcuk | whoa fuck |
| 00:25.26 | ds3 | is it just me or is diablo worse then chinook? |
| 00:25.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's just you. |
| 00:25.49 | ds3 | Okay |
| 00:26.20 | ShadowJK_ | the browser seems less stable to me :-) |
| 00:26.27 | ds3 | so far I have modest misbehaving twice in 24 hours; the old osso-mail was better then this; then there is the static addressing issue |
| 00:26.53 | ShadowJK_ | and the watchdog is stabbing me more often.. :( |
| 00:27.22 | ds3 | and it seems like a lot more packages fail to install but I can't blame that on diablo... that's progress |
| 00:28.08 | GeneralAntilles | The browser is significantly faster and more stable for me, much better mail client, much better package manager, tap-to-hide info banners |
| 00:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | etc, etc, etc. |
| 00:28.33 | moontiger | hates the email client |
| 00:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK_, are you using stupid browser ad-ons? |
| 00:28.38 | moontiger | but thats just me |
| 00:28.44 | ds3 | in 24hours of usage, I wouldn't say the mail client is better... it just has a different set of bugs |
| 00:28.54 | ShadowJK_ | GeneralAntilles, no I disabled flash and the media playing stuff |
| 00:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | Modest has been very solid for me. |
| 00:29.21 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know why people are having trouble. |
| 00:29.25 | moontiger | strokes for folks :) |
| 00:29.27 | ShadowJK_ | oh and focus issues with the address bar :) |
| 00:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, no, more like "what's triggering these bugs". |
| 00:30.13 | ds3 | problems so far - The client GUI has refused to open til I reboot the tablet; the inbox vanishing (account is shown but inbox is not there; client stuck forever 'retreiving'; the GUI just sitting there (slow? sorting?) |
| 00:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, you are running 36-5, right? |
| 00:30.55 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, oic ... i dont use it as it is unusable for me in terms of functionality and ui |
| 00:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | When you know what triggers bugs it's much easier to fix them. |
| 00:31.19 | moontiger | but i see ur point ... we all have the same code in rom |
| 00:31.24 | ds3 | RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 00:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, did you install either of the SSU updates? |
| 00:31.39 | ds3 | + the OS updates automatically installed |
| 00:31.51 | ds3 | only update not installed is the update for "Map" (not used) |
| 00:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | killall modest in xterm should fix it if it stalls on you, though. |
| 00:32.34 | ds3 | that's what I had to do to stop it after it got stuck in the "Retreiving..." state |
| 00:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly at least one of the Modest crasher bugs is fixed in the week 38 build. |
| 00:34.03 | ds3 | but the updater is suppose to be able to pull that in, right? |
| 00:34.34 | ds3 | My theory is - they are cutting corner on QA'ing the packages and since i am using a less common config, I just get all tbe bugs |
| 00:34.58 | ds3 | that's the only way I can explain the networking problem |
| 00:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's "cutting corners", they're just not very good at it. |
| 00:35.16 | GeneralAntilles | They, apparently, don't test on N800s anymore. |
| 00:35.18 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, i think modest is being used in extreme situations and was never really tested with those things |
| 00:35.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's also a relatively young application. |
| 00:35.35 | moontiger | right |
| 00:35.53 | moontiger | i mean people are saying "i have 196000 emails and when i use imap modest crashes" |
| 00:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 00:36.08 | moontiger | i mean really ... 196000 emails in one folder??!! |
| 00:36.19 | moontiger | its a freaking tablet for god sake |
| 00:36.42 | GeneralAntilles | There's a conflict between people wanting to use it for 30GB inboxes and 17 accounts when it was designed to run on devices with hardware equivalent to desktops from 7-8 years ago. |
| 00:36.56 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: You are right about the browser being a bit better in diablo though... the 15-30 second rendering stuff seems to be gone |
| 00:37.07 | moontiger | right ... i have 3 accounts but only keep 200 - 500 emails on my tablet |
| 00:37.14 | ds3 | I just need to run it longer to see if the battery drain issues are still there |
| 00:37.37 | ShadowJK_ | I think I have about 50000 emails, but not all in one folder.. |
| 00:37.58 | moontiger | if i had that many emails i would totally use folders to organise |
| 00:38.07 | ds3 | it should crash with that much mail... taking forever or refusing to retrieve would be a more appropriate behavior |
| 00:38.11 | ShadowJK_ | I haven't thought of a clever way to automatically sort a subset for viewing through tablet or cellphone.. |
| 00:38.29 | moontiger | ShadowJK_, yah on my cellphone i am very careful |
| 00:38.53 | moontiger | i find that gmail with the "recent"..." thing and limit to the last 3 days email works for me on my fone |
| 00:39.04 | ShadowJK_ | but you know, with imap I wouldn't want the client to load all the emails anyway... |
| 00:39.24 | ds3 | having these tablets do as well as the crummy mail client that ships with the Palm Treo 650 is not unreasonable |
| 00:39.56 | moontiger | ds3, again i would say modest is a very young app ... claws copes much better imho |
| 00:40.31 | ds3 | moontiger: what's the linage of modest? is it a direct descendant of osso-mail? |
| 00:40.47 | moontiger | no ... afaik it is based on tiny-mail backend |
| 00:40.52 | moontiger | with a custom front end |
| 00:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | Camel |
| 00:40.58 | moontiger | right GeneralAntilles ? |
| 00:40.58 | ds3 | ah |
| 00:41.04 | moontiger | thnx :) |
| 00:41.24 | GeneralAntilles | tinymail is based on Camel |
| 00:41.30 | moontiger | ah ok |
| 00:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | tinymail is Modest's backend |
| 00:41.47 | ds3 | what's osso-mail based on? |
| 00:41.56 | moontiger | horse crap? |
| 00:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing |
| 00:42.07 | lcuk | should i promote it? or wait a few days |
| 00:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | It's Nokia's crappy proprietary client. |
| 00:42.14 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, wait. |
| 00:42.15 | ds3 | Hmmm |
| 00:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modest_(e-mail_client) |
| 00:42.34 | GeneralAntilles | I with djcb had actually given me material for that article. |
| 00:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's not very heartening that most of the development team seems to have moved on from the project after it shipped |
| 00:43.07 | GeneralAntilles | especially while it's still in such a beta state. :\ |
| 00:43.32 | ds3 | it has improved from the beta version; the beta didn't work at all for me (POP3S setup) |
| 00:43.59 | ds3 | okay back to finding where all the old utilies are... |
| 00:44.41 | moontiger | would love to have time to write a new email client |
| 00:44.47 | ds3 | before I dig through all the old ITT postings, anyone know what is the name of that status bar applet that displays load, memory usage, and can have a clock overlayed on there? |
| 00:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | Patch Modest! |
| 00:45.14 | ds3 | think it also provides a way of launching command line stuff |
| 00:45.23 | lcuk | loadapplet or something |
| 00:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | osso-statusbar-cpu |
| 00:45.53 | ds3 | there were two related ones listed in the repos |
| 00:46.20 | ds3 | Yes, that's it. Thanks |
| 00:49.33 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, i would love to but imo the ui is a complete mess |
| 00:50.05 | ds3 | one more item to find... nokia used to have a beta package to add "native" support for AIM.. is that still available for diablo? I notice it has SIP support built in now |
| 00:50.09 | moontiger | is the current source available? |
| 00:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | Of course! |
| 00:50.50 | GeneralAntilles | They have a Garage project and everything. |
| 00:50.58 | moontiger | hmmmmmm |
| 00:51.03 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, rtcomm beta. |
| 00:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's moving (slowly) to Extras-devel. |
| 00:51.15 | moontiger | ok when i finish the phonehome thing i'll have a look |
| 00:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 00:51.37 | ds3 | GA: thanks again. Having the name makes looking for updates so much easier |
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| 01:26.59 | GeneralAntilles | wonders who broke iTab. |
| 01:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | The guy's been fed the directions to flash his tablet in a dozen different threads on at least 3 forums and he still can't figure it out. |
| 01:27.58 | ds3 | is there something else that needs to be installed in addition to account-haze? accounts shows AIM as an option but creating an account fails; it never creates anything on the list |
| 01:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | telepathy-plugin-haze |
| 01:29.26 | ds3 | what repo is that in? |
| 01:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | The Collabora repo |
| 01:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | It'll probably be listed on gronmayer.com/it |
| 01:31.01 | ds3 | I have that repo added but no telepathy-plugin-haze |
| 01:31.30 | ds3 | account-plugin-haze is the exact name I have installed |
| 01:31.59 | GeneralAntilles | Anything telepathy-haze-something? |
| 01:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | How about telepathy-haze? |
| 01:32.16 | ds3 | nope. just telephaty-idle and telepathy-salut |
| 01:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | Is telepathy-haze already installed? |
| 01:33.01 | ds3 | nopr, checked that... unless I need redpill mode for this? |
| 01:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't |
| 01:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get is better than Red Pill, anyway. |
| 01:34.11 | ds3 | let see what manual browsing of the repo turns up |
| 01:35.26 | ds3 | it shows it but not in the app mgr |
| 01:38.04 | ds3 | it shows it in red pill mode :/ |
| 01:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is bad |
| 01:39.27 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get install telepathy-haze instead. |
| 01:39.27 | GeneralAntilles | Could be conflicting with the package in Extras-devel. |
| 01:39.28 | GeneralAntilles | They're kind of in a state of transition right now |
| 01:39.28 | GeneralAntilles | for some reason it's taking a really long time to get all of the packages into Extras-devel. |
| 01:39.38 | lcuk | gnite GeneralAntilles, ds3, rest of chan |
| 01:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Don't let the bed bugs bite. |
| 01:39.52 | lcuk | gan, thanks for earlier, i broke your html though :$ so reverted |
| 01:39.57 | ds3 | nite lcuk |
| 01:40.03 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 01:40.08 | lcuk | is a htmlrapist :( |
| 01:40.26 | lcuk | but liqbase is in extras-devel \o/ |
| 01:40.50 | lcuk | gnite |
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| 01:46.35 | moontiger | nite lcuk |
| 01:47.13 | moontiger | goes off to kill aliens |
| 01:47.18 | moontiger | bye all |
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| 02:17.33 | t_s_o | hmm, i just noticed that maemo seems to put the focus wrong when one have multiple windows of the same type open and wants to switch between them. the focus is allways on the top most, even if thats not the window your currently looking at... |
| 02:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | What application? |
| 02:20.56 | t_s_o | i noticed it with browser, by it may be a general issue |
| 02:21.52 | t_s_o | right now i have 3 different browser window open, and the focus indicator is alway at the top most of the 3 when i open the small menu by tapping the browser window "button" on the left side |
| 02:23.02 | t_s_o | as in, you cant use that indicator to tell what window you where looking at last, and i have found myself using the corner window list instead as there the focus follows the open window |
| 02:23.39 | t_s_o | if i dont, i may end up opening the same window over and over while trying to jump to a different one of the same type |
| 02:27.45 | ds3 | might crummy code from the brower's ancestry as FF/Mozilla does not always behave right in a point to focus environment |
| 02:29.53 | t_s_o | well its not internal to the browser itself, but window swapping. i just noticed it on the browser as its the one i mostly have more then one window of open at the same time... |
| 02:30.31 | ds3 | the FF/Mozilla stuff has all sorts of stuff to grab focus at when it should so... |
| 02:31.36 | t_s_o | ok, let me try to explain again as i see it was a mess earlier |
| 02:32.41 | t_s_o | when one open more then one window of the same app, the icon on the left side gets a small number in the corner, and when the icon is tapped a menu appears. the focus indicator on that menu will not follow what window you had open last, but instead be on the top of the list, allways |
| 02:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 02:33.39 | t_s_o | this is independent of the workload of the different app windows, as i currently have 3 browser windows open showing 3 different local text files, something that should not trigger a focus steal at all |
| 02:33.42 | GeneralAntilles | Probably more of a UI spec bug than a real code bug. |
| 02:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | Go file a bug, anyway. |
| 02:33.55 | t_s_o | will do |
| 02:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | At the very least, the behavior is confusing. |
| 02:34.21 | t_s_o | highly |
| 02:36.33 | peteblack | hey, anyone know where to find a good runlevel editor like sysv-rc-conf? |
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| 03:50.48 | Macer | well |
| 03:50.57 | Macer | ldap = fail |
| 03:51.17 | johnx | heh, I was there once too. |
| 03:51.34 | johnx | I remember thinking "And this is the *lightweight* DAP?" |
| 03:51.43 | Macer | i gave up on it |
| 03:51.44 | Macer | :) |
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| 03:51.52 | Macer | then again.. i couldn't get nis working either |
| 03:51.57 | Macer | so i guess i just fail in general |
| 03:52.08 | johnx | NIS is easier, but old and crufty |
| 03:52.12 | Macer | now nis... that should have just worked |
| 03:52.18 | Macer | i know |
| 03:52.22 | Macer | then i tried kerberos |
| 03:52.28 | Macer | yes.. fail again |
| 03:52.32 | johnx | what are you trying to do? |
| 03:52.40 | Macer | make an auth server |
| 03:52.47 | Macer | so i can add users to just 1 machine |
| 03:52.48 | johnx | for work? home network? |
| 03:52.52 | Macer | and the rest auth from it |
| 03:52.55 | Macer | home |
| 03:53.16 | Macer | was going to use my n800 w/deblet as my httpd :-D |
| 03:53.23 | Macer | (just kidding) |
| 03:53.36 | Macer | although it probably would make for a good dns |
| 03:53.40 | johnx | heh...I ran an inet accessible wiki on my zaurus for a while |
| 03:54.08 | Macer | but yeah... I = fail for all the methods i tried |
| 03:54.18 | Macer | i fucked up one box with nis so bad i had to re-install fbsd on it :) |
| 03:54.47 | Macer | don't ask me how but root seemed to have disappeared when i added the +:*::::: stuff to the passwd/grp files |
| 03:55.10 | Macer | and i couldn't even get the client to auth off of the server |
| 03:55.13 | Macer | how lame |
| 03:55.32 | Macer | and kerberos... i simply don't understand the concept of how it is supposed to be an auth server |
| 03:55.52 | Macer | it seems like encryption encapsulation for other services |
| 03:56.37 | Macer | but ldap is a joke.. there is no fucking way that was meant to be easy.. i think it was designed with IT job security in mind |
| 03:57.28 | Macer | like ... why are all the auth servers so old? nis ... ldap... and kerberos are dusty.. why hasn't anybody made something newer that runs a simple static daemon for such things? |
| 03:57.51 | Macer | i mean.. cmon.. ldap came from x.500... which was used for phone services in the 80s :) |
| 03:58.27 | Macer | ok ... that's my rant for the day.. i have to get back to fixing this fbsd box |
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| 04:14.49 | johnx | Macer, maybe you want Windows Domain Service (or whatever the hell they call it these days) |
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| 05:27.31 | qwerty12 | lcuk: So you're telling me that the Northerner message actually got put in the source package and was uploaded to extras? |
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| 05:48.16 | lcuk | qwerty12, yesh |
| 05:48.39 | qwerty12 | shit, I thought you removed that? :P |
| 05:49.01 | qwerty12 | grins widely at people accepting northerns are dodgy |
| 05:49.03 | RST38h | http://lj.karlson.ru/Canada/Richmond/elevator.jpg |
| 05:49.08 | RST38h | And ehlo to you all, too |
| 05:49.14 | qwerty12 | hi RST38h |
| 05:49.18 | johnx | m00f RST38h |
| 05:50.01 | johnx | RST38h, heh...I can actually explain the elevator thing if you don't know :) |
| 05:50.52 | RST38h | johnx: I do know, but they skipped 3 (three) floors because of that! |
| 05:50.59 | lcuk | i did |
| 05:52.02 | qwerty12 | It was you who left preinst.qwerty12 there :P |
| 05:52.29 | johnx | RST38h, they're either just misnumbered or "service/storage" floors :P |
| 05:53.12 | lcuk | yes and thats still there |
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| 05:53.19 | RST38h | johnx: nah, it appears that 14 also does not sound very nice in Chinese |
| 05:53.27 | GAN800 | needs to get qwerty12 svn access to more places. :P |
| 05:53.57 | RST38h | johnx: and 13 is a problem with those ...mmm...how they call them?... white caucasians! =) |
| 05:54.07 | qwerty12 | Heh, I suck at svn anyway :P. I did some dodgy import for dannym with 3g modem |
| 05:54.39 | lcuk | qwerty12, woglinde got me over the hump, but in doing so reconfigured the existing preinst stuff (which existed for some reason when he grabbed from svn) |
| 05:55.08 | lcuk | and postinst.. |
| 05:55.15 | lcuk | prerm? |
| 05:55.20 | qwerty12 | The preinst was the best |
| 05:55.20 | lcuk | anyway, its gone now |
| 05:55.27 | qwerty12 | there was a prerm, but that was harmless |
| 05:55.29 | lcuk | extras-devel contains 0.1.3 |
| 05:55.36 | lcuk | the prerm wasnt harmless |
| 05:55.40 | lcuk | it wanted to delete stuff |
| 05:55.46 | GAN800 | prerminstposterr |
| 05:55.48 | qwerty12 | But it asked :P |
| 05:55.57 | lcuk | in a EULA box |
| 05:56.23 | lcuk | its done anyway and gone |
| 05:56.29 | qwerty12 | Those boxes are actually used for messages as well. I put them in as examples if you wanted to use them |
| 05:56.37 | lcuk | ive now uploaded to extras so often now i can do it with my eyes shut |
| 05:57.14 | qwerty12 | uploading to chinook sucks |
| 05:57.17 | lcuk | qwerty12, not your fault at all, as ive said in the past you managed to get me a baseline deb |
| 05:57.43 | qwerty12 | Heh :), I should have done better. I failed you master! |
| 05:57.51 | lcuk | lol |
| 05:58.43 | qwerty12 | eww, I'm tempted to try out an linux-omap kernel with the opensource wireless driver just to see if it gets my torrent speeds higher than 10 Kb/s |
| 05:58.58 | GAN800 | umgh |
| 05:59.07 | GAN800 | That'll be interesting |
| 05:59.47 | RST38h | that's weird...I get higher torrent speeds |
| 06:00.03 | GAN800 | So do I |
| 06:00.05 | johnx | qwerty12, you sure the problem isn't router-side? |
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| 06:00.31 | qwerty12 | johnx: yep, ports are open and everything |
| 06:00.44 | qwerty12 | It could be a shit torrent |
| 06:01.08 | johnx | qwerty12, err...but QoS or full NAT table or similar. Also, how many concurrent connections are you allowing on the tablet? |
| 06:01.43 | RST38h | BTW, would anyone be willing to port LinuxDC++ to the tablet? |
| 06:02.27 | qwerty12 | johnx: I know QoS is disabled on the router (via checking with its funky telnet interface) and Transmission is set to 50 peers per torrent. I've also got some sysctl.conf changes on here too. |
| 06:02.28 | RST38h | I know this thing is not as popular as torrents, but the client looks nice (and, more importantly, DC++ is used in our community network) |
| 06:02.54 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Someone's compiled a command line DC++ client |
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| 06:03.32 | RST38h | qwerty: isn't much useful for searching etc., especially with n810 keyboard :( |
| 06:03.52 | qwerty12 | I used to use DC++ time ago until the hub op's went overboard with how much you have to share |
| 06:03.55 | qwerty12 | ah :( |
| 06:04.01 | RST38h | kind of hopes to make movie watching tablet-only experience =) |
| 06:04.24 | RST38h | click on the movie -> wait -> watch -> discard |
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| 06:04.35 | lcuk | was a regular dc user (original client) |
| 06:04.45 | qwerty12 | the original client sucked |
| 06:04.55 | RST38h | the original .NET client still sucks |
| 06:05.11 | lcuk | wasnt the client, it was the scene - obviously the hubs you connect to mattered |
| 06:05.34 | lcuk | hasnt spoken to a load of mates in ages now |
| 06:05.36 | lcuk | hmm |
| 06:06.11 | RST38h | Yea, but this part is no problem here: most guys inside ultranet.ru do not mind leechers :) |
| 06:06.39 | RST38h | It is 100Mbd inside the network, after all |
| 06:06.53 | lcuk | emma has been bouncing in and out for hours now |
| 06:06.57 | qwerty12 | I think I used it a few times for some old ass dreamcast games |
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| 06:07.07 | lcuk | emma has been bouncing in and out for hours now |
| 06:07.12 | RST38h | bouncy dead emma |
| 06:07.44 | RST38h | wonders if she is any relative of Eliza |
| 06:10.49 | RST38h | Dumbest comment ever: .text #enables text input / output, kind of like String.h in C++ |
| 06:11.39 | lcuk | gnite again |
| 06:12.28 | qwerty12 | see ya lcuk |
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| 06:14.27 | RST38h | bye, lcuk |
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| 06:52.26 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Did a straight compile, segfaults when entering nick :P |
| 06:53.12 | fiekia | is there a games initiative for n8x0? |
| 06:53.20 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 06:54.01 | RST38h | qwerty: Ehh... |
| 06:54.08 | fiekia | ehhh |
| 06:54.17 | RST38h | qwerty: But definitely thanks =) |
| 06:54.28 | RST38h | what games initiative? |
| 06:54.32 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 06:54.57 | qwerty12 | woot, /dev/sda5 34G 32G 253M 100% / |
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| 06:58.43 | RST38h | The End |
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| 08:06.10 | RST38h | seems to have tamed the MIPS |
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| 09:23.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: bored? could you do me a favour and see if bootmenu svn builds in scratchbox with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 09:23.24 | qwerty12 | k |
| 09:23.39 | Stskeeps | (the one on garage) |
| 09:23.52 | qwerty12 | I know. |
| 09:24.31 | Stskeeps | i think you'd actually do a better job at being a buildbot than extras builder ;> |
| 09:25.29 | qwerty12 | Builds fine |
| 09:25.33 | Stskeeps | good |
| 09:25.48 | Stskeeps | then i'll post on bootmenu list asking fanoush what his opinion would be on moving it to extras |
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| 09:27.00 | Stskeeps | (-devel) |
| 09:31.43 | qwerty12 | debates about putting rott in there. It works fine, just that using touchscreen is a little weird |
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| 09:34.49 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ta, wheels starting to move regarding bootmenu then :P |
| 09:34.57 | qwerty12 | cool :) |
| 09:35.22 | johnx | Stskeeps, have you tried to build many hildonized apps against upstream gtk? |
| 09:35.43 | Stskeeps | johnx: not that many, but the usual suspect is stuff like hildon_im_ |
| 09:36.14 | johnx | got osso_application_set_exit_cb :/ |
| 09:36.14 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw beware, i took out u-m packages from repo (i have them in a directory still though) |
| 09:36.17 | johnx | maemopad+ |
| 09:36.29 | Stskeeps | isn't that a -losso? |
| 09:36.43 | johnx | errr...maybe? |
| 09:36.46 | Stskeeps | johnx: because i can easily make a nit-env-hildon with debian packages, which i think we should bases on instead |
| 09:37.04 | johnx | I'm building on OE right now cause it's faster |
| 09:37.05 | Stskeeps | as we have a little closer cooperation with pkg-maemo and u-m just seems.. broken atm |
| 09:37.12 | Stskeeps | k |
| 09:37.37 | Stskeeps | osso_application_set_exit_cb is deprecated |
| 09:37.55 | Stskeeps | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/028187.html |
| 09:38.01 | johnx | ah, and I'm on new versions of hildon :/ |
| 09:39.30 | johnx | gah...maybe your chroot-maemo idea is a better direction |
| 09:40.14 | Stskeeps | so far i haven't managed to get it going though |
| 09:40.14 | johnx | or the LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 09:40.20 | Stskeeps | i'd incline towards LD_LIBRARY_PATH but i have no clue how to make it work without nasty deb packaging hacks |
| 09:40.25 | johnx | I might look at it later...I really wanted this more universal/source-based to help the 770/zaurus guys without vfp |
| 09:40.36 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:40.47 | Stskeeps | LD_LIBRARY_PATH would make it more source based though |
| 09:41.16 | johnx | a little bit, the we could just recompile the app without -mvfp |
| 09:41.29 | johnx | s/the/then/ |
| 09:42.43 | Stskeeps | *nod* but would probably also need a CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/maemo-gtk or something |
| 09:43.34 | johnx | that's easy enough to add though |
| 09:44.05 | Stskeeps | i wonder if we just need to put maemo gtk libs and includes in a different dir and just do -L/usr/lib/otherdir really |
| 09:44.11 | Stskeeps | in LDFLAGS |
| 09:44.53 | Stskeeps | so a custom maemo gtk package |
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| 10:18.49 | setuid0 | hello, has anyone here already compiled and flashed a home-made kernel to their nokia tablet? |
| 10:19.03 | fnordianslip | yep |
| 10:19.04 | qwerty12 | lots of people :) |
| 10:19.09 | qwerty12 | included |
| 10:19.11 | setuid0 | good :-) |
| 10:20.05 | setuid0 | before i go, i wanted to make sure about the precautionary steps in case the device doesn't even start. how would I then go about restoring a nokia-certified kernel? |
| 10:20.49 | qwerty12 | Oh, the linux flasher can reflash a kernel without reflashing the entire device. Actually getting the nokia kernel image is a little tricky... |
| 10:20.54 | qwerty12 | I'll get it for you, wait a min |
| 10:21.17 | qwerty12 | What version is your tablet? |
| 10:21.22 | setuid0 | is the so-called "feature upgrade" package not a full kernel? |
| 10:21.38 | qwerty12 | It comes with an kernel upgrade |
| 10:22.19 | qwerty12 | what version is your tablet? |
| 10:22.19 | setuid0 | N810 OS2008 4.2008.36-5 |
| 10:22.24 | qwerty12 | K, thanks |
| 10:23.08 | setuid0 | but my concern is than I couldn't even install that package if the device doesn't boot anymore. i'de have to have a working flashable kernel |
| 10:23.46 | qwerty12 | Here's the original kernel : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200829maemo1_all.deb |
| 10:24.14 | qwerty12 | You can extract it with dpkg -x on the computer and flash the zImage via usb |
| 10:24.58 | setuid0 | cool |
| 10:25.09 | setuid0 | thanks a lot! |
| 10:25.12 | qwerty12 | Np |
| 10:25.24 | setuid0 | is this the latest "feature upgrade" kernel? |
| 10:25.27 | qwerty12 | Yep :) |
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| 10:26.10 | setuid0 | should i have any concern about the different versions of the kernel modules (nokia kernel vs. own kernel)? |
| 10:27.34 | qwerty12 | Nope, tablet boots fine with nokia modules and any modules you make should insmod on a nokia kernel. (I once ran a preempt kernel and I had to trick the versioning on the kernel to get it to accept nokia modules but after that, they insmodded fine.) |
| 10:28.25 | setuid0 | nice! |
| 10:29.32 | setuid0 | so you mean the flashing will not destroy any modules (which reside under /lib?) in the modules directory. but it will not add mine either: i'll have to copy them myself to the very same directory. Is that it? |
| 10:30.29 | qwerty12 | yep. Though some libs reside in /mnt/initfs which you will have to remount read-write if you want to replace any there. |
| 10:30.51 | qwerty12 | Though I've never replaced the modules, except for one time I was using the preempt kernel |
| 10:31.28 | setuid0 | nope, i'm not thinking about replacing any existing module, justing adding some capabilities to my kernel |
| 10:31.54 | setuid0 | possibly in the form of modules |
| 10:32.31 | setuid0 | that sounds pretty straightforward |
| 10:32.39 | qwerty12 | If all you are doing is just adding modules, the kernel doesn't even need to be flashed with a new one. You'll have to insmod them yourself manually or write an init script to do it for you |
| 10:33.16 | setuid0 | no, i need to change the kernel conf to make these modules compile, that's for sure |
| 10:33.28 | qwerty12 | ah, ok |
| 10:33.46 | setuid0 | or build the thing inside the kernel, monolithically |
| 10:34.13 | setuid0 | that really sounds great |
| 10:34.51 | setuid0 | i don't even need to backup my files either in system memory or on the mmc |
| 10:35.29 | setuid0 | just as on anydesktop machine |
| 10:36.23 | qwerty12 | shouldn't do. flashing a kernel doesn't erase any files. Unless the kernel is dodgy and mutilates every file it comes in contact with :) |
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| 10:36.40 | setuid0 | gotcha |
| 10:37.54 | setuid0 | many thanks for this: good, structured info about these low-level things is hard to come by on the net |
| 10:38.51 | qwerty12 | No problems :). I assume you have read the maemo kernel guide? |
| 10:39.16 | woglinde | morning |
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| 10:39.25 | qwerty12 | morning |
| 10:40.50 | setuid0 | i actually already have configured my kernel with config_n800 and have made the necessary modifications to .config. i was just terrified at the idea of screwing up this wonderful little machine by forgetting something or typing the wrong flasher command |
| 10:42.11 | lcuk | mornin again \o |
| 10:42.34 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 10:42.55 | lcuk | hiya woglinde :D 0.1.3 did the trick |
| 10:43.50 | woglinde | lcuk hehe is in extra-devel now? |
| 10:43.58 | lcuk | yes |
| 10:44.11 | lcuk | well it was lastnight, they mightv rejected it since |
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| 10:47.07 | qwerty12 | ~bitchslap gtk-gnutella's spam_sha1.txt |
| 10:47.10 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of gtk-gnutella's spam_sha1.txt |
| 10:47.13 | lcuk | can now finally draw his own avatar |
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| 10:48.22 | qwerty12 | lcuk: you should make an .install file for liqbase and place a link to it where it says it's in extras-devel :) |
| 10:48.51 | lcuk | i thought .install files to extras-devel was wrong |
| 10:49.08 | qwerty12 | How? |
| 10:49.22 | lcuk | because normal users shouldnt add -devel by default |
| 10:49.29 | qwerty12 | I'm not talking about the maemo catalogue |
| 10:49.29 | qwerty12 | meh |
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| 10:49.56 | lcuk | once it gets into extras it will be fine |
| 10:50.19 | lcuk | im just happy ive finally got image export working :) |
| 10:50.44 | lcuk | theres a backlog of things i want to do which needed that functionality :) |
| 10:50.49 | qwerty12 | I'm not so happy about that because you binded it to a button us N800 users don't have ;) |
| 10:51.04 | lcuk | thats cos its just a test |
| 10:51.30 | lcuk | i'll find a nice way to do it |
| 10:51.38 | qwerty12 | cool, thanks :) |
| 10:52.10 | lcuk | perhaps with a movable overlay tile "enable snapshot mode" which shows over the top of every screen with a take photo button |
| 10:52.24 | lcuk | when pressed it vanishes and takes the picture :) |
| 10:53.03 | lcuk | but thats secondary to real usage |
| 10:53.09 | lcuk | i needed a way to get camera images out |
| 10:53.19 | woglinde | lcuk hehe |
| 10:53.23 | lcuk | and to save sketches in a usable format |
| 10:53.28 | woglinde | I thought this is solved |
| 10:53.40 | woglinde | and you only need to took the code and run away |
| 10:54.56 | lcuk | woglinde, the entire interface is YUV, i havent been able to take anything for granted - its all pretty much from scratch :) which has suited me because ive not been bogged down with legacy |
| 10:55.44 | woglinde | uh |
| 10:55.55 | woglinde | the hw keyboard on the n810 is slow |
| 10:55.59 | woglinde | just testing it now |
| 10:56.05 | macoute_ | slow? |
| 10:56.07 | woglinde | yes |
| 10:56.10 | macoute_ | so hard to write-slow? |
| 10:56.14 | woglinde | I have to wait 2 seconds |
| 10:56.15 | macoute_ | how can keyboard be slow |
| 10:56.23 | woglinde | if a charackter is shown |
| 10:56.27 | macoute_ | hmm, mine isnt |
| 10:56.36 | woglinde | macout in libqbase |
| 10:56.38 | macoute_ | maybe its your network connection |
| 10:56.40 | macoute_ | ah, ok |
| 10:56.59 | lcuk | mmmm that doesnt sound right |
| 10:57.02 | woglinde | lcuk why is it so slow? |
| 10:57.08 | lcuk | you on the name keyboard screen |
| 10:57.18 | woglinde | yes |
| 10:57.37 | lcuk | its live for me here |
| 10:58.08 | lcuk | even at 800*480_powersave.. |
| 10:58.11 | lcuk | no delay |
| 10:58.40 | lcuk | though on n2 i have glitches reproduction |
| 10:59.21 | lcuk | perhaps you have something else running in background |
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| 11:00.37 | woglinde | hm liqbase runs with nearly 100% cpu |
| 11:01.14 | woglinde | seems you have to learn the nice way of profiling |
| 11:01.47 | lcuk | it depends on what you are doing |
| 11:02.05 | lcuk | if its an active screen it runs as fast as required, if you are on a static screen it does nothing |
| 11:02.13 | woglinde | hm strange |
| 11:02.19 | woglinde | now it is not |
| 11:02.23 | lcuk | ie when sitting on a menu it falls back to baseline |
| 11:02.51 | lcuk | but if you are showing starfield its way up (for obvious reasons) |
| 11:03.06 | woglinde | hm even the name screen has 80% |
| 11:03.11 | lcuk | worked extremely hard to try to ensure it didnt drain battery |
| 11:03.13 | woglinde | that seems wrong |
| 11:03.27 | woglinde | xorg is going up to 20% |
| 11:03.28 | woglinde | hm |
| 11:03.37 | woglinde | maybee you are polling to much |
| 11:04.10 | lcuk | lemme check the keyboard screen - it might actually be left in runfast |
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| 11:04.13 | woglinde | hm I will have a quick look into the source |
| 11:04.16 | lcuk | it was a brand new one |
| 11:04.39 | lcuk | go onto a normal menu and it should be idle |
| 11:05.28 | lcuk | was against adding a keyboard at all ;) |
| 11:07.28 | lcuk | heh, yeah on the keyboard its busypolling |
| 11:07.42 | lcuk | its a 25fps keyboard ;) |
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| 11:14.52 | lcuk | int rf=0;// 1; woglinde noticed it was running fast |
| 11:16.45 | lcuk | but im not pushin a whole other version through to extras just for that :P its one screen viewed once normally |
| 11:18.14 | woglinde | hehe |
| 11:18.17 | woglinde | yes |
| 11:18.20 | woglinde | no prob |
| 11:18.23 | woglinde | but fix it |
| 11:18.25 | woglinde | *g* |
| 11:19.57 | lcuk | fixed :) |
| 11:20.08 | lcuk | next build will include it |
| 11:20.19 | woglinde | hm where was it? |
| 11:20.25 | lcuk | that line i posted |
| 11:20.46 | woglinde | in liqkeyboard.c? |
| 11:21.11 | lcuk | the rf variable is shorthand for "runfast" if that is set to 1 then the handler will not idle for events and instead attempt to run fast |
| 11:21.12 | lcuk | yes |
| 11:21.42 | lcuk | line 499 |
| 11:22.06 | woglinde | *g* |
| 11:22.09 | woglinde | okay |
| 11:23.18 | lcuk | if you notice anything else likethat please let me know :) |
| 11:23.49 | woglinde | sure |
| 11:23.53 | woglinde | If I have the time |
| 11:26.46 | lcuk | woglinde, i know that feeling |
| 11:26.51 | lcuk | time runs away with everything |
| 11:27.30 | lcuk | what do i do now its in extras-devel, how does it get to real extras? |
| 11:27.59 | woglinde | sorry do not kno |
| 11:27.59 | woglinde | w |
| 11:28.09 | qwerty12_N800 | the promoter |
| 11:29.08 | qwerty12_N800 | https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/diablo |
| 11:29.30 | lcuk | didnt you and gan tell me to wait |
| 11:29.52 | qwerty12_N800 | you asked how does it get there. |
| 11:30.02 | qwerty12_N800 | i didn't say you should do it now. |
| 11:30.09 | lcuk | :P |
| 11:30.29 | woglinde | *g* |
| 11:30.41 | woglinde | hm qtnx and the othet nx stuff now runs nice |
| 11:30.54 | lcuk | excellent woglinde |
| 11:30.58 | woglinde | this rocks really on the n810 |
| 11:31.01 | woglinde | full desktop |
| 11:31.15 | lcuk | and now you know all about gettin it into extras ;) |
| 11:31.16 | *** join/#maemo mazzen (n=mortel@u30-237.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 11:31.25 | woglinde | *g* |
| 11:32.57 | woglinde | suspend resums work nice too |
| 11:33.04 | woglinde | for the remote sessions |
| 11:33.20 | *** join/#maemo andre___ (n=andre@f053155100.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:35.09 | qwerty12_N800 | needs too clean out the interface of gtk-gnutella. *way* too cluttered on the tablet |
| 11:42.59 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: doesn't that drain the battery really fast? |
| 11:43.06 | aquatix | using torrent and gnutella? |
| 11:43.27 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm always on charger anyway :p |
| 11:44.01 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:44.04 | aquatix | just wondering |
| 11:44.54 | qwerty12_N800 | it might do but tbh, a lot of things can drain the battery so i'm past caring :) |
| 11:46.04 | lcuk | mmmmmmmmm cupcakes http://flickr.com/photos/tonibduguid/2836161961/ |
| 11:46.28 | lcuk | damn wanted that link http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/calling-all-innovators/ (same pic) |
| 11:48.02 | aquatix | hmmmmm, cupcakes... |
| 11:49.47 | qwerty12_N800 | only wants hash brownies |
| 11:50.22 | lcuk | you would |
| 11:50.31 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 11:50.41 | *** join/#maemo emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) |
| 11:50.52 | lcuk | wow emma, are you still bouncing in and out? |
| 11:50.57 | lcuk | doesnt it get tiring |
| 11:51.13 | qwerty12_N800 | remember jones? :p |
| 11:51.29 | qwerty12_N800 | man, that *was* annoying |
| 11:51.57 | lcuk | no |
| 11:52.04 | lcuk | has no shortterm memory |
| 11:52.46 | lcuk | i must be gettin old |
| 11:52.57 | qwerty12_N800 | the guy had a misconfigured irc client and it would keep reconnecting leaving a loong trail of join/part messages on screen |
| 11:53.06 | *** join/#maemo pvanhoof (n=pvanhoof@d54C0C0BA.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:53.43 | lcuk | excellent |
| 11:53.51 | lcuk | good job i didnt bring liqbase_bot into here |
| 11:54.52 | macoute_ | this is the first and only channel where the use of /me and infobot is not strongly discouraged |
| 11:55.13 | qwerty12_N800 | is glad |
| 11:55.20 | lcuk | is confused |
| 11:55.38 | macoute_ | sees no benefits of /me |
| 11:55.46 | aquatix | likes to use /me |
| 11:55.54 | emma | lcuk: No. |
| 11:55.59 | qwerty12_N800 | is the shit |
| 11:56.06 | emma | lcuk: I just woke up. I don't know why I was bouncing so much while I was sleeping. |
| 11:56.22 | emma | lcuk: This last restart was the only intentional one, to make sure I don't have two irssi processes competing. |
| 11:56.26 | lcuk | heh, you didnt leave you nokia on your bed did you :D |
| 11:56.29 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: true |
| 11:56.42 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 11:56.49 | qwerty12_N800 | says :p |
| 11:56.52 | qwerty12_N800 | rather |
| 11:57.02 | lcuk | ive been awake myself for a lot of the night and ive seen you with loads of join/parts |
| 11:57.10 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: nah, that's talking about yourself in 3rd person, that's stupid ;) |
| 11:57.26 | qwerty12_N800 | says is not! |
| 11:57.34 | aquatix | says it is! |
| 11:57.38 | qwerty12_N800 | says is not! |
| 11:57.43 | me | gets cofused |
| 11:57.48 | macoute_ | starts using only me |
| 11:57.52 | me | cant type |
| 11:57.52 | qwerty12_N800 | /me |
| 11:58.06 | aquatix | tries the new liqbase |
| 11:58.29 | qwerty12_N800 | still is using 0.0.9 |
| 11:58.36 | lcuk | mmmm so i can impersonate someone for a few lines |
| 11:58.54 | lcuk | aquatix, if you have an n810 can you test something for me |
| 11:58.59 | lcuk | if not, it doesnt matter |
| 11:59.03 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, btw, do you use the fullscreen key for anything in liqbase? |
| 11:59.05 | aquatix | has an n810 |
| 11:59.09 | aquatix | lcuk: please tell :) |
| 12:00.10 | woglinde | 0,01 |
| 12:00.33 | lcuk | about 80% of the screens within liqbase now allow you to take a screenshot and save as .png, i have a list of which i know wont, but the main menus, keyboard, drawing and graffiti and book file selector should all work - could you check nad see if you can break it |
| 12:00.51 | lcuk | if you press [Chr] on the keyboard it will take a screenshot (as liqbase.net now makes use of) |
| 12:00.56 | aquatix | how do i screenshot? |
| 12:01.00 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 12:01.41 | lcuk | its been on my todo list for a while :) it was basically the only thing holding back from pushing |
| 12:02.09 | aquatix | where does it put the png's? |
| 12:02.26 | lcuk | ~/.liqbase with a stamp |
| 12:02.39 | lcuk | liqbase.pic.20081018_191410.png |
| 12:02.43 | lcuk | somethin like that |
| 12:02.47 | aquatix | takes a look |
| 12:03.31 | aquatix | i have a bunch of screenshots indeed |
| 12:03.34 | lcuk | gets on with introductions and postcards |
| 12:03.46 | lcuk | actually no i wont |
| 12:03.48 | lcuk | its sunday |
| 12:03.51 | qwerty12_N800 | ~nickometer qwerty12_n800 |
| 12:04.00 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot, your mom |
| 12:04.01 | infobot | i guess your mom is spelt your mum |
| 12:04.08 | lcuk | it adds to your lameness if you search yourself |
| 12:04.34 | qwerty12_N800 | i needed confirmation :p |
| 12:04.44 | macoute_ | and away-nicks and nicks comparable to that should add your lameness by at least 40% :) |
| 12:04.49 | macoute_ | qwerty12_N800: no offence :) |
| 12:05.04 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, none taken |
| 12:05.07 | macoute_using_no | damn nicks :) |
| 12:05.53 | aquatix | wonders how lame he is |
| 12:06.22 | macoute | ~nickometere aquatix |
| 12:06.27 | macoute | ~nickometer aquatix |
| 12:06.32 | aquatix | whoa |
| 12:06.35 | macoute | aquatix: that lame :) |
| 12:06.35 | Stskeeps | ~nickometer Stskeeps |
| 12:06.38 | qwerty12_N800 | woah |
| 12:06.49 | lcuk | ~nickometer lcuk |
| 12:06.52 | aquatix | thought himself a lot more lame |
| 12:07.05 | lcuk | heh qwerty - its just you |
| 12:07.11 | ak-47 | >.< |
| 12:07.20 | ak-47 | ~nickometer ak-47 |
| 12:07.26 | ak-47 | hmm |
| 12:07.38 | aquatix | oh |
| 12:07.46 | aquatix | does it look at your current nick? |
| 12:07.50 | lcuk | LOL |
| 12:07.53 | aquatix | i thought it was some reputation thing |
| 12:07.58 | lcuk | ~nickometer qwerty12 |
| 12:08.05 | qwerty12_N800 | grr |
| 12:08.05 | lcuk | PMSL |
| 12:08.12 | aquatix | ~nickometer lcuk |
| 12:08.20 | lcuk | if you add up all your lameness you are off the scale |
| 12:08.21 | aquatix | aight |
| 12:08.40 | lcuk | is laughin heartily |
| 12:08.42 | andre___ | ak-47 is still my email address |
| 12:08.51 | lcuk | no it isnt |
| 12:09.02 | fcukinfobot | ~nickometer fcukinfobot |
| 12:09.04 | lcuk | i thought it was lamer@lamedomain.com |
| 12:09.56 | aquatix | l@me.com |
| 12:10.10 | aquatix | hm, that's actually quite a nice address |
| 12:10.53 | fcukinfobot | ÊsÇÊ |
| 12:10.55 | andre___ | pah. 12 years ago this wasn't as lame. |
| 12:11.02 | lcuk | ok, serious question. every time i want to put my nokia in its pouch i lock the keyboard, i want to disconnect the wifi when i do this |
| 12:11.49 | fcukinfobot | hmm, i could steal code and whip up something in python for that if you wish? |
| 12:11.54 | lcuk | im thinking about doign the acmonitor type thing but gathering a whole state diagram and allowing profiles for different states |
| 12:12.21 | lcuk | ie inuse:charging/battery locked:charging/battery |
| 12:12.51 | aquatix | lcuk: so only disconnect wifi on locking and on battery |
| 12:12.54 | lcuk | qwerty12_n800, it would have to be configurable though |
| 12:12.58 | aquatix | and in pouch? |
| 12:13.03 | qwerty12_n800 | ah, k |
| 12:13.12 | lcuk | well the pouch part isnt important, its using the lock key |
| 12:13.21 | aquatix | lcuk: might even take the light sensor into account :) |
| 12:13.25 | aquatix | ah |
| 12:13.41 | lcuk | no aquatix, my hand covers that all the time (infact, N1 has a sticker over it) |
| 12:14.01 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:14.02 | qwerty12_n800 | you know it can be disabled? |
| 12:14.03 | aquatix | kk |
| 12:14.06 | lcuk | i just realised that sticked is not visible |
| 12:14.15 | lcuk | qwerty12_n800, really? |
| 12:14.38 | qwerty12_n800 | yeah, just remove the als module from /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 12:14.39 | lcuk | i just put a happy smily face "well done" sticker from jakes collection |
| 12:14.54 | lcuk | oh screw that, my patch survives reflashing |
| 12:14.59 | lcuk | and lets me tell my nokias apart |
| 12:15.02 | aquatix | actually likes the screen dimming |
| 12:15.13 | aquatix | lcuk: :) |
| 12:15.20 | lcuk | im left handed and when drawing if ytou see on the videos my hand sits at top left |
| 12:15.51 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.53 | aquatix | yeah, when i hold it, i accidentially cover it too |
| 12:16.03 | lcuk | and it goes dim a few seconds later |
| 12:16.04 | woglinde | I really wonder a lot of open source programmer are lefthanded |
| 12:16.07 | lcuk | its annoying as feck |
| 12:16.08 | woglinde | and often the better one |
| 12:16.31 | lcuk | well im not a good coder, simply prolific - i find it hard NOT to code or think about it |
| 12:16.56 | woglinde | lcuk your code is not that bad as a first glance |
| 12:17.07 | lcuk | i was thinking the other night about why only now have i decided to go public with my code |
| 12:17.24 | lcuk | and i realised the world just wasnt ready for the awesomeness of visual basic |
| 12:17.53 | aquatix | ghehehe |
| 12:18.01 | qwerty12_n800 | *sigh* once a windows programmer, always a windows programmer... :p |
| 12:18.16 | aquatix | lcuk: that's a big oxymoron ;) |
| 12:18.44 | lcuk | not really aquatix :) everything ive now got in liqbase was born in visual basic first :) |
| 12:19.03 | lcuk | the language is not important, but you can bet your ass i had to work hard to make it run fast |
| 12:19.45 | woglinde | lcuk to make it public is okay so other can look at it |
| 12:19.52 | woglinde | and give some clues |
| 12:20.15 | lcuk | now yes, then i felt ashemed of my code |
| 12:20.36 | aquatix | lcuk: myeah, i thought the language was pretty confusing actually; not a clear syntactical difference between function calls and arrays and lots more of little gripes i had with it |
| 12:20.46 | aquatix | oh well :) |
| 12:20.52 | lcuk | because the small modules i wrote were never whole units, they were small elements - in liqbase i have brought them together as i always planned |
| 12:20.54 | aquatix | lcuk: but liqbase is awesome :) |
| 12:21.22 | aquatix | lcuk: and it seems screenshotting in mentioned screens works |
| 12:21.26 | lcuk | aquatix, :) all i have wanted for years was a touchscreen |
| 12:21.45 | lcuk | just check the bookreader file select - i noticed a bug last night |
| 12:22.00 | lcuk | ive lost my memory stick |
| 12:22.05 | aquatix | hm, i have a screenshot of it here |
| 12:22.55 | lcuk | liquid@gmail.com |
| 12:23.01 | lcuk | should i put back the upload function ;) |
| 12:25.04 | lcuk | who hwho has windows? |
| 12:25.12 | lcuk | -the stutter |
| 12:25.17 | macoute | i does atm |
| 12:25.25 | macoute | i do, atm that is :) |
| 12:25.29 | macoute | a vista even |
| 12:25.52 | qwerty12_n800 | is a good boy. i at least have ubuntu with my vista :p |
| 12:25.53 | lcuk | just as a random test, could you see if this tiny app works? |
| 12:25.55 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/RectDraw.exe |
| 12:26.15 | aquatix | lcuk: you want the screenshot of my book selection? |
| 12:26.21 | lcuk | yeah please aquatix |
| 12:26.23 | aquatix | kk |
| 12:26.25 | aquatix | hang on |
| 12:27.12 | lcuk | that rectdraw program handles collisions how i want to end up with on physics view |
| 12:27.18 | lcuk | i still havent quite got the code right |
| 12:29.04 | lcuk | will have to get one of these touchscreen eee pcs for home |
| 12:29.26 | lcuk | combining awesomeness on the run with awesomness in the house will be awesome |
| 12:29.37 | macoute | lcuk: it does work |
| 12:29.42 | lcuk | excellent thanks |
| 12:29.43 | macoute | though the speed is too much :) |
| 12:29.45 | lcuk | mustv just been me |
| 12:29.54 | lcuk | heh well ;) |
| 12:30.01 | lcuk | i coded it first back in 2000 |
| 12:30.13 | aquatix | lcuk: mail |
| 12:30.34 | lcuk | :O does that look like it looks on screen to you? |
| 12:30.49 | aquatix | lcuk: yes |
| 12:30.59 | lcuk | with green backgrounds on the books? |
| 12:31.11 | aquatix | er, no |
| 12:31.23 | aquatix | it has black bg in real life |
| 12:31.36 | lcuk | then the bug is real and reproduced :) |
| 12:31.40 | lcuk | ill fix it later |
| 12:31.49 | lcuk | thanks |
| 12:31.51 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:31.53 | aquatix | sure thing |
| 12:31.56 | woglinde | lcuk hm yes bookreader the text do not fit in the boxes |
| 12:32.02 | woglinde | for open and back |
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| 12:32.54 | *** join/#maemo Free_maN (n=Free_maN@unaffiliated/freeman) |
| 12:32.59 | lcuk | open and back? which screen |
| 12:33.35 | lcuk | though im not changing that now woglinde the small buttons which contain text will be replaced with glyphs as i get round to it |
| 12:33.44 | lcuk | says that every day |
| 12:33.49 | lcuk | perhaps i should do somethin about it now |
| 12:33.57 | lcuk | but its sunday |
| 12:34.52 | lcuk | also noted: im putting the version number on the main startup |
| 12:37.48 | RST38h | thanks the Green One for helping him to conquer MIPS |
| 12:39.42 | macoute | btw. who broke widset for planet.maemo.org? |
| 12:39.59 | macoute | who even made it... |
| 12:40.43 | woglinde | bye for now |
| 12:41.15 | lcuk | cya |
| 12:41.27 | lcuk | who knoews what some EMEA conference is? |
| 12:42.05 | Mek | europe, middle east and africa |
| 12:42.26 | RST38h | The only thing left is to figure out what makes it crash on return from the functi |
| 12:42.30 | RST38h | on |
| 12:42.46 | RST38h | EMEA - europe, middle east, africa |
| 12:43.25 | lcuk | on here http://callingallinnovators.com/home.asp |
| 12:44.05 | lcuk | it says if submitted by nov 21st "eligable to participate in a big nokia event in EMEA in December" but i cant find any more info on this |
| 12:44.39 | RST38h | lcuk: So, according to this image, is Russia EMEA or whatever China belongs to? |
| 12:45.37 | lcuk | i dunno, the map has a bit over eastern europe doesnt it |
| 12:45.40 | lcuk | it overlaps |
| 12:46.11 | RST38h | lcuk: Going to submit liqubase? ;) |
| 12:48.08 | lcuk | did yesterday :) |
| 12:48.35 | RST38h | crosses fingers wishing lcuk luck |
| 12:49.03 | lcuk | :) thx |
| 12:49.45 | lcuk | tracy just found out its in rome |
| 12:50.19 | RST38h | Rome is good, especially in winter |
| 12:50.29 | RST38h | +8oC, sunny |
| 12:50.32 | lcuk | anywhere is better than manchester in winter |
| 12:50.44 | RST38h | lcuk: Oh, you just haven't been to places ;) |
| 12:50.55 | lcuk | no |
| 12:51.45 | RST38h | Although Manchester should probably be pretty dismal too |
| 12:52.20 | qwerty12_N800 | The North of the UK is dismal as a whole. |
| 12:53.06 | lcuk | no its not :) |
| 12:53.23 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :p |
| 12:53.44 | qwerty12_N800 | does get cold easily though :\ |
| 12:54.03 | lcuk | we have sweaters :) and long johns |
| 12:54.14 | lcuk | giggles |
| 12:54.45 | qwerty12_N800 | gee, all we have down here is vests + boxers :p |
| 12:54.49 | RST38h | somehow, the latter should be a disadvantage in cold winter, right? |
| 12:56.30 | RST38h | btw, what our kid has for winter can best be described as a space suit, so do be careful when you say "cold" =) |
| 12:57.04 | lcuk | heh |
| 12:57.22 | lcuk | how old is he |
| 12:57.30 | lcuk | she? |
| 12:58.29 | *** join/#maemo feiifas (n=Lehtinen@62-142-248-43.pp.saunalahti.fi) |
| 12:59.08 | feiifas | hello, is it possible to play smooth native 800x480 video on n810? |
| 12:59.30 | lcuk | no |
| 12:59.38 | lcuk | its possible to update the screen fast enough |
| 12:59.56 | lcuk | but its gonna be hard to find a codec to decode and include audio as well |
| 13:00.21 | feiifas | that's shame :( |
| 13:00.31 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/ not really, most videos arent that res anyway |
| 13:00.31 | feiifas | 800x480 resolution for videos would be perfect |
| 13:00.36 | lcuk | look at that page :) |
| 13:01.04 | lcuk | it shows what CAN be done at that resolution :) |
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| 13:02.30 | feiifas | that looks awesome |
| 13:02.34 | feiifas | very nice |
| 13:03.14 | RST38h | lcuk: 7, its he |
| 13:03.38 | lcuk | my jake is 6 and we have enough trouble gettin a coat on him (apart from doing superman impressions) |
| 13:03.49 | RST38h | and "she" is 9 months old now |
| 13:03.50 | feiifas | is there any "screen candy" addons for nokia tablets already? iphonish effects and so on |
| 13:04.11 | lcuk | feiifas, what better screen candy than what you draw yourself :) |
| 13:04.58 | RST38h | lcuk: well, it takes a while for him to get dressed but mostly because he cant keep on doing it |
| 13:05.21 | aquatix | feiifas: try canola2 |
| 13:05.25 | lcuk | yeah, i bet it looks funny near the school, do most dress the same |
| 13:05.27 | aquatix | really nice media player |
| 13:05.30 | aquatix | with nice effects |
| 13:05.41 | aquatix | feiifas: and liqbase of course ;) |
| 13:06.24 | RST38h | lcuk: not any more as the colors are different |
| 13:06.45 | RST38h | lcuk: back when I was a kid everybody looked the same |
| 13:06.48 | lcuk | RST38h, ? multicolored lego space men? |
| 13:07.00 | RST38h | lcuk: more or less |
| 13:07.03 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 13:08.04 | lcuk | right, time for me to vanish for a while |
| 13:08.12 | RST38h | same here |
| 13:08.16 | lcuk | still cant decide whether to code or not |
| 13:08.42 | aquatix | hmmmm, lego |
| 13:08.48 | aquatix | lcuk: cya |
| 13:09.06 | lcuk | someone told me i can do a select() statement and wait for multiple events from files and sockets and events |
| 13:09.07 | lopz | hola |
| 13:09.20 | aquatix | oh, thought you where leaving :) |
| 13:09.23 | lcuk | any idea how i might go about doing this |
| 13:09.26 | lcuk | lol i was |
| 13:09.33 | lcuk | just mentioning code made it pop into head |
| 13:09.37 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 13:09.46 | aquatix | you codeaholic ;) |
| 13:09.50 | lcuk | yeah :) |
| 13:10.02 | aquatix | well, maybe in some event loop? |
| 13:10.03 | lcuk | i might sync my 2 nokias |
| 13:10.36 | lcuk | get a combined 800*960 display or somethin |
| 13:10.46 | aquatix | :) |
| 13:11.10 | lcuk | heh, nintendo ds :D |
| 13:11.46 | lcuk | right ill go and ponder it while i make a brew |
| 13:11.49 | lcuk | back later |
| 13:14.02 | aquatix | lcuk: heh, right after you said that, i ran across http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2008/10/16/running-illume-everywhere/ |
| 13:14.10 | aquatix | not the same, but still a nice pic :) |
| 13:18.48 | aquatix | hm |
| 13:19.03 | aquatix | anybody ported speedcrunch calculator or similar to maemo yet? |
| 13:20.33 | aquatix | ah, speedcrunch is qt |
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| 13:55.33 | zakkm | Hi, I am about to buy the Nokia N800 used off someone. I was wondering what i should look for besides of course it turns on. |
| 13:56.34 | aquatix | no scratches on the screen |
| 13:56.42 | aquatix | no cracks of course ;) |
| 13:57.19 | zakkm | yeah i meant besides physical |
| 13:57.25 | zakkm | sshould i test wifi works? cause some dont? |
| 13:57.38 | aquatix | sounds sane indeed |
| 13:58.03 | zakkm | should i run a few apps to make sure it doesnt suffer from crashes? |
| 13:58.10 | qwerty12_N800 | check the camera, both memory card slots + covers |
| 13:58.10 | zakkm | though im going to reflash |
| 13:58.19 | zakkm | so i should bring a sd card. |
| 13:58.24 | zakkm | covers? |
| 13:58.39 | zakkm | what covers? |
| 13:59.00 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, the covers to close the memory card slots |
| 13:59.05 | zakkm | oh |
| 14:00.37 | zakkm | so scratches, cracks, it looks okay from looking at it, camera, memory card slots, covers ? |
| 14:04.18 | lcuk | zakkm, check the camera pops out cleanly, and if you get a chance to use it beforehand, go into a drawing program and check the screen responds to stylus evenly |
| 14:04.35 | zakkm | the guy said i can test it. |
| 14:04.46 | lcuk | then i dont think you have anything to worry about |
| 14:04.48 | zakkm | Im meeting him in about 2 hours. |
| 14:05.01 | zakkm | is there some cases of 800's with wifi not working? |
| 14:05.08 | lcuk | obviously if he was nervous about its condition it would be sale quick with no test |
| 14:05.10 | zakkm | They might be a open hotspot |
| 14:05.16 | aquatix | run liqbase on it |
| 14:05.22 | aquatix | if it doesn't melt, it's ok ;) |
| 14:05.26 | lcuk | heh |
| 14:05.34 | zakkm | evantually yeah app looked sick |
| 14:05.47 | zakkm | but i dont think i can test that long. I would have to add repo .. etc. |
| 14:05.49 | lcuk | feels better to use :) |
| 14:05.57 | lcuk | has just been drawing trains with jake again |
| 14:06.05 | aquatix | lcuk: :) |
| 14:06.13 | aquatix | zakkm: actually, liqbase is in extras now :) |
| 14:06.27 | lcuk | no repos - simplest is jump to liqbase.net and grab the deb |
| 14:06.38 | lcuk | theres no deps other than whats on the tablet by default |
| 14:06.40 | aquatix | true |
| 14:06.40 | zakkm | how am i suppose to do that ? ;p |
| 14:06.50 | aquatix | but anyways, that was more of a joke :) |
| 14:07.02 | zakkm | i dont think ill be able to test forever lol ;p |
| 14:07.04 | zakkm | lcuk: thats good :P |
| 14:07.11 | aquatix | there already is a drawing app on it, so rather use that to test |
| 14:07.12 | zakkm | no insane extra deps |
| 14:07.33 | lcuk | zakkm, i prefer to use what ive got to hand than go searching out strange things :) |
| 14:07.54 | zakkm | ??? |
| 14:08.01 | lcuk | obscure complicated libraries make for obscure complicated bugs |
| 14:08.37 | zakkm | oo |
| 14:08.43 | zakkm | was talking about dependencies |
| 14:08.52 | lcuk | so was i :) |
| 14:09.07 | zakkm | nah i meant you were.. im thinking what you talking about??? |
| 14:09.10 | derf | lcuk: There's something to be said for well defined, well tested libraries, however. |
| 14:09.38 | zakkm | derf: if it was good .. it would be default already in most likely.. ;p |
| 14:09.41 | lcuk | 100% agree derf, but i dont know enough about each of them to use them effectively enough |
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| 14:10.27 | derf | zakkm: On a standard Linux distro, yes. On a space-constrained tablet, no, not really. |
| 14:10.43 | zakkm | i know im just saying :P |
| 14:11.20 | zakkm | python and libpurple is probably the only ones id get. |
| 14:11.36 | zakkm | dang i have to find a SD card |
| 14:12.26 | zakkm | I told the guy i was an expert and it and he seemed to want to sell it to me more like i wouldnt back down at the last minute cause it doesnt have something i wanted. |
| 14:13.47 | qwerty12_N800 | ~lart diablo extras-devel for not having subversion |
| 14:13.47 | infobot | calls diablo extras-devel on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for not having subversion |
| 14:14.58 | zakkm | lol |
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| 14:15.24 | zakkm | why would it be included? do you really compile on the nokia? |
| 14:16.07 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't but it's useful to get files from a svn repo being away from a computer :) |
| 14:16.21 | qwerty12_N800 | I'll send it to the autobuilder later |
| 14:16.22 | zakkm | for what purpose? |
| 14:16.38 | zakkm | why not just get the pc to do it as a cron script? |
| 14:16.47 | zakkm | every night or something |
| 14:17.38 | qwerty12_N800 | My computer isn't always on. The reason i want svn now is to grab some python apps |
| 14:18.57 | zakkm | so make a cron script and run it whenever it is on :P |
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| 14:19.18 | zakkm | desktop icon. :P though i guess that may make it a bash script. |
| 14:19.27 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm not always in Linux :p |
| 14:19.35 | zakkm | mac? |
| 14:19.53 | qwerty12_N800 | vista/ubuntu dual-boot |
| 14:19.59 | zakkm | ubuntu? eww |
| 14:20.16 | zakkm | more bloated than vista ;p |
| 14:20.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Lies! :p |
| 14:21.20 | zakkm | vista isnt bloated, it just has a whole bunch of stuff nobody wants. |
| 14:22.10 | zakkm | why not virtual machine ubuntu? |
| 14:22.18 | zakkm | you have virtualization, dont you? |
| 14:22.24 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, vmware |
| 14:22.36 | zakkm | it should run at native speed |
| 14:22.38 | qwerty12_N800 | but I hate using it |
| 14:22.49 | zakkm | so use qemu // virtualbox ? |
| 14:23.10 | zakkm | ooo you like compiz? :P |
| 14:23.30 | zakkm | though its really slow in ubuntu -.- |
| 14:23.34 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm just averse to virtual machines in general, they're useful but awkward for me to use |
| 14:23.42 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, compiz user :p |
| 14:23.51 | zakkm | you use compiz.. or ubuntu's compiz ? |
| 14:24.04 | qwerty12_N800 | ubuntu's compiz |
| 14:24.09 | zakkm | ew |
| 14:24.10 | zakkm | its so slow |
| 14:24.17 | zakkm | and old |
| 14:24.21 | zakkm | theres like no plugins -.- |
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| 14:24.52 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, they're easy to get hold for ubuntu |
| 14:25.14 | zakkm | lol |
| 14:25.19 | zakkm | even easier in suse -.- |
| 14:25.26 | zakkm | and gentoo |
| 14:25.52 | zakkm | gentoo is the easiest.. it doesnt ask you are you sure -.- if you dont want it to |
| 14:26.00 | zakkm | yeah theres -y or -f .. but -.- |
| 14:26.25 | qwerty12_N800 | compiling 24/7 doesn't tickle my fancy and it's a long time since i used a rpm based distro |
| 14:26.42 | zakkm | what do you mean 24/7 ? |
| 14:26.44 | zakkm | thats a myth |
| 14:27.01 | zakkm | and its well worth it -.- ubuntu is bloated as hell |
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| 14:27.19 | zakkm | my geforce2 16mb .. went faster than my 256mb geforce 6200 in ubuntu -.- |
| 14:27.32 | zakkm | geforce2 16mb in gentoo |
| 14:27.36 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 14:27.44 | zakkm | no joke -.- |
| 14:27.55 | zakkm | and you dont compile 24/7 |
| 14:28.21 | qwerty12_N800 | if i really want to compile with optimisations, then i just apt-get source |
| 14:28.24 | zakkm | a simple alright 3000+ / 3ghz p4 .. can start off a nice gnome/kde4 desktop with everything your want .. blahblah.. in like 5 hours? |
| 14:28.43 | zakkm | there already are built ones with optimizations -.- |
| 14:28.47 | zakkm | and thats not what gentoo is about |
| 14:29.01 | zakkm | its about only having what you need.. only services are what you wanttt |
| 14:29.08 | zakkm | no extra daemons or anything -.- |
| 14:29.25 | zakkm | you want gnome with fluxbox WM .. you dont need metacity -.- |
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| 14:31.08 | zakkm | sorry, im aganist ppl saying good things about ubuntu ;p |
| 14:31.28 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, i'm not really into linux desktop customisations. i only use compiz because it's automatically enabled when i install ati drivers |
| 14:31.34 | derf | Ubuntu is made for end users. Gentoo is made for developers. |
| 14:31.56 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, i don't mind ubuntu but i don't have much experience with other distros |
| 14:32.03 | zakkm | derf: yes but clearly qwerty12_n800 is a developer, shouldn't be using ubuntu |
| 14:32.17 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, end user :) |
| 14:32.29 | derf | People should use whatever is comfortable to them. |
| 14:32.36 | zakkm | werent you the one complaining that subversion should be in something extras? |
| 14:32.53 | derf | Ubuntu has a lot of issues, it's true. But a whole lot of people will find them less troublesome than Gentoo's issues. |
| 14:32.53 | Veggen | why not Ubuntu? |
| 14:33.10 | Veggen | derf: I don't see much issues with ubuntu, even for power-users. |
| 14:33.21 | zakkm | its slow |
| 14:33.22 | derf | Veggen: Thank you for proving my point. |
| 14:33.29 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, true, but i'm more of a casual modder. i do simple stuff with code, that's about it :) |
| 14:33.52 | Veggen | zakka: uh? In what ways is it slow? This will be a function on how you set it up :) |
| 14:34.02 | zakkm | qwerty12_n800: i see your name all over forums about things you done/are doing |
| 14:34.19 | Veggen | s/zakka/zakkm/ |
| 14:34.29 | derf | The nice thing about Gentoo is that I can compiling everything without omiting the frame pointer. I can keep it from stripping debug symbols. All of the headers for all of the libraries on my system are already installed. |
| 14:34.32 | zakkm | Veggen: exactly, it needs changing.. it sucks :P |
| 14:34.49 | zakkm | portage is awesome :) |
| 14:35.00 | thp | zakkm: you could also argue that gentoo is slower than ubuntu, because before you can use apps, you have to compile them.. (arguing about distros is really pointless.. hehe) |
| 14:35.00 | derf | None of that has anything to do with speed. |
| 14:35.38 | derf | thp: Honestly, you spend very little time compiling. |
| 14:35.57 | zakkm | what you do compile is done like at night or something |
| 14:35.59 | zakkm | when your not on |
| 14:36.07 | zakkm | and you put in low priority |
| 14:36.26 | thp | yep. but think energy costs. think compiling OOo.. |
| 14:36.28 | zakkm | most packages dont even get compiled |
| 14:36.30 | derf | Or, really, since most of the time you're just installing one or two packages, it takes an extra 30 seconds or so. |
| 14:36.40 | zakkm | you dont compile oOo -.- |
| 14:36.44 | zakkm | theres ooo-bin |
| 14:36.52 | zakkm | or openoffice-bin i think its called |
| 14:37.15 | derf | Really, I think it takes less time to install pacakges on Gentoo than on, say, Fedora. |
| 14:37.19 | thp | it's just a matter or preference.. the USE flags are surely a nice thing.. getting things that you don't get with all binary distros.. (but you can apt-get source in debian, too..) |
| 14:37.36 | zakkm | never tried apt-source .. ;p |
| 14:37.41 | derf | Which insists on updating its yum repository every time you so much as run a query, much less actually do something. |
| 14:38.01 | thp | but saying gentoo is faster than ubuntu just because you can compile stuff the way you want is incorrect ;) |
| 14:38.03 | johnx | tried gentoo, doesn't have the patience for it |
| 14:38.07 | zakkm | no i didnt say that |
| 14:38.13 | zakkm | i said its faster cause you dont have any bloat |
| 14:38.19 | thp | http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 14:38.29 | zakkm | oh yes |
| 14:38.30 | zakkm | ive read that |
| 14:38.32 | zakkm | XD |
| 14:38.43 | zakkm | good article |
| 14:38.48 | zakkm | read it about a year ago |
| 14:38.55 | thp | :) |
| 14:39.09 | qwerty12_N800 | lol :) |
| 14:39.30 | zakkm | i read alot before i use something. |
| 14:39.34 | Veggen | Actually one of the very advantages I see with Linux - *any* Linux-distro - is that bloat doesn't slow it down as much as in Windows. You can have as many programs installed as you like, but as long as you run them it won't slow it down. |
| 14:39.48 | zakkm | yeah i like that |
| 14:39.57 | zakkm | i used to put in fedora disc.. select everything to install lol |
| 14:40.09 | Veggen | of course this is also *sort* of true with windows, but observations seem to contradict it. |
| 14:40.14 | zakkm | but it fills up your "applications" area |
| 14:40.40 | zakkm | Mac FTW ( mac fanboy here ) |
| 14:40.59 | Veggen | I've been a Linux-user since I got my first own machines mid-90s, was mostly Unix-user before that, and I prefer Ubuntu for desktop nowadays. |
| 14:42.10 | Veggen | Because the ubuntu developers make a good effort to make sure things should just work. I can do it myself, but I'm more interested in having a good basis distro, not having to do too much with it before being productive with other things. |
| 14:42.27 | johnx | ^what he said^ |
| 14:42.42 | johnx | I do my hacking on embedded linux, my desktop is a tool to accomplish that goal |
| 14:42.43 | zakkm | lol |
| 14:42.49 | Veggen | and imho, Ubuntu doesn't hide the gory details as much as some others do. |
| 14:43.18 | Veggen | you can always find them where they should be, below the wizards. |
| 14:43.30 | Veggen | but having wizards and guis can also be good. |
| 14:43.38 | derf | The problems with Ubuntu stem more from the fact that they are not behaving like good community members. |
| 14:43.42 | zakkm | Well .. uhh.. If i leave i guess the debate ends.. I have to get ready.. I'm suppose to meet the guy in just over a hour to buy the used n800.. ( $150 CAD ) so wish me luck :P ( taking bus, will take awhile ) |
| 14:43.42 | Veggen | it shouldn't replace the good old config files, though. |
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| 14:43.56 | derf | They look more like a distro from five, ten years ago than a modern one (in their behavior). |
| 14:44.01 | Veggen | derf: That, I can sort of agree with. |
| 14:44.14 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, heh. *fingers crossed* |
| 14:44.21 | Veggen | derf: They should do more to feed changes upstream. |
| 14:44.43 | zakkm | if sale goes okay, ill be back on the nokia, xchat is good still right? |
| 14:44.44 | derf | Redhat, Debian, etc., all learned that this was really a good idea in the long run. |
| 14:44.55 | derf | Ubuntu will learn, too, but it appears to be taking them a while. |
| 14:45.02 | johnx | zakkm, yup, it's in extras |
| 14:45.10 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, yup, using xchat right now from an n800 |
| 14:45.26 | zakkm | n800, really? how do you type so fast |
| 14:45.52 | derf | Gentoos problems stem mostly from the fact that they make it very difficult for their community to contribute. |
| 14:45.54 | aquatix | external keyboard? |
| 14:46.02 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, i'm pretty slow :p, i'm just using the stylus keyboard |
| 14:46.12 | derf | I mean, a whole lot of their users are competent developers. |
| 14:46.34 | derf | They should be light-years ahead in getting current packages integrated and working, and they're not. |
| 14:47.03 | derf | In fact, they've slowed down in this regard, and started dropping things out of the tree instead of adding them. |
| 14:47.46 | derf | And, unfortunately, as much as I like Gentoo, that's something I'm not sure they're going to be able to fix. |
| 14:48.01 | derf | At least not without changes in leadership. |
| 14:50.17 | zakkm | Is there a way to make sure SD works, without having SD ? |
| 14:50.22 | zakkm | i cant seem to find my sd card |
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| 14:52.13 | zakkm | Also, is android usable on the n800 ? |
| 14:52.18 | zakkm | like is it worth playing aroundon |
| 14:52.56 | johnx | the version of android available is pretty out of date |
| 14:52.57 | aquatix | i don't think it's all that usable (yet?) |
| 14:53.11 | johnx | I'm waiting for google to release some source before looking at it again |
| 14:53.49 | zakkm | Ah, |
| 14:54.20 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.47 | derf | Android (from my rough, mostly uninformed opinion), seems more like an iPhone-wannabe than a maemo-wannabe. |
| 14:55.34 | johnx | yes, it's definitely a limited-privileges environment |
| 14:55.35 | derf | Or, in short, "Who cares?" |
| 14:55.51 | johnx | cool apps = interest from me |
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| 14:57.18 | suihkulokki | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/android-g1-review.ars |
| 14:58.47 | aquatix | hm, nice article |
| 14:58.48 | aquatix | reads |
| 14:59.08 | qwerty12 | "T-Mobile's 3G service is now live...A total of 28 markets is expected in 2008.". Being in Europe, that's a little bit of a shock to me :/. |
| 14:59.42 | johnx | qwerty12, they bought spectrum at auction from the US gov't but the military didn't vacate the spectrum until a year (more?) after t-mo bought it |
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| 14:59.57 | aquatix | will get a non-branded android phone if he goes with that platform |
| 15:00.18 | qwerty12 | johnx: I see :) |
| 15:00.23 | aquatix | so i can use it with my current sim and 3G subscription |
| 15:00.35 | aquatix | johnx: but still :) |
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| 15:00.57 | johnx | aquatix, yeah, they're late to the game, but for the most part it's not their fault |
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| 15:08.53 | woglinde | re |
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| 15:44.18 | RST38h | "On Tuesday, the USPTO awarded Microsoft a patent for the Automatic Censorship of Audio Data for Broadcast, an invention that addresses 'producing censored speech that has been altered so that undesired words or phrases are either unintelligible or inaudible.'" |
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| 15:46.00 | johnx | I kinda hope this has a chilling effect on censorship :) |
| 15:46.33 | RST38h | given that they have patented beeps... |
| 15:46.36 | RST38h | hehe |
| 15:47.18 | RST38h | btw, whoever is in UK, does UK now require passports when purchasing *phones* or *sim cards*? |
| 15:47.32 | qwerty12 | no. |
| 15:47.36 | RST38h | (i.e. do they tie you to IMEI or IMSI?) |
| 15:47.42 | qwerty12 | You need proof of who you are when you buy a phone on contract |
| 15:47.52 | qwerty12 | a passport is accepted as proof |
| 15:48.25 | johnx | what about prepaid? |
| 15:48.27 | qwerty12 | no passport is needed for simcards. hell, i got some for free recently straight from t-mobile over the internet |
| 15:48.34 | qwerty12 | johnx: not for prepaid |
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| 15:51.31 | RST38h | ok |
| 15:51.44 | RST38h | so, SIM cards are not identifiable but phones are? |
| 15:52.05 | RST38h | sounds like opposite to .RU where they identify you by SIM card now |
| 15:52.11 | qwerty12 | Only phones on contract, you don't need any forms of proof for prepaid phones |
| 15:52.19 | RST38h | ah |
| 15:52.33 | qwerty12 | With contract phones, they don't want you doing a runner with the phone. |
| 15:52.36 | ShadowJK_ | hm |
| 15:52.37 | RST38h | the news sites say UK wants to require ID when buying a phone |
| 15:52.47 | ShadowJK_ | microb kinda sucks for downloading stuff, it seems to timeout downloads too |
| 15:52.53 | RST38h | ah, the contract stuff is completely logical, yes |
| 15:53.04 | RST38h | Shadow: It is not microb but the server |
| 15:53.32 | ShadowJK_ | RST38h, I just tcpdump'd a download (I'm root on the server), and microb closed the connection |
| 15:53.32 | RST38h | I wonder about the "id when buying a phone" stuff though |
| 15:53.35 | suihkulokki | qwerty12: i presume they used some way to ID you (credit card?) |
| 15:54.01 | suihkulokki | a prepaid without id is something that dissapeared when criminals started using them |
| 15:54.28 | johnx | pretty sure you can still by a prepaid with cash in the US |
| 15:54.30 | ShadowJK_ | it also seems to delete the download file, so you can't resume.. |
| 15:54.58 | qwerty12 | suihkulokki: nah, I've never had to register a prepaid phone. Network operators want you to register in exchange for £1 free credit (w00t!) but it's optional. |
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| 15:58.58 | suihkulokki | there was a big news some years ago that switzerland was still allowing anonymous pre-paid sims and they were getting used internationally by terrorists |
| 15:59.18 | qwerty12 | Woot, thanks mikkov, uploading straight from scratchbox is lot faster |
| 15:59.19 | suihkulokki | so they stopped doing it in switzerland |
| 15:59.24 | ShadowJK_ | I guess the dropping the connection if no data has been seen for a few seconds is usual braindead coding, but resume failure with "Target location not available. Save to local memory." is just strange. What the hell is it trying to say... |
| 16:00.56 | jaska | anyoen else had weird stuff installing 4.1.1 sdk? |
| 16:00.58 | jaska | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/libh/libhildon/libhildon1_2.0.6-1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 195.215.37.63 80] |
| 16:01.02 | jaska | and |
| 16:01.07 | jaska | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/s/samba/libsmbclient-dev_3.0.23c-1osso11_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 195.215.37.63 80] |
| 16:01.20 | jaska | tried a couple times already |
| 16:02.02 | lcuk | jaska, go find this peer guy and beat him up |
| 16:02.33 | jaska | doubt itd help much |
| 16:02.49 | lcuk | well hes the one that keeps resetting your connection |
| 16:02.52 | jaska | wgetting the debs separately works tho |
| 16:03.20 | qwerty12 | edit the script and keep making wget retry :P |
| 16:03.51 | Stskeeps | jaska: i have same problems |
| 16:04.00 | jaska | well.. its apt-get who fails :).. lets see if i toss it in where-ever it has the debs and try then |
| 16:04.25 | qwerty12 | ah :). I misread that for wget errors >.< |
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| 16:04.51 | jaska | just need to hack a newer scrollbar-less osso-xterm for diablo :| |
| 16:05.14 | qwerty12 | I've readded the option for that in a quick hack I done :) |
| 16:05.22 | summatusmentis | has anyone tried fennec? |
| 16:05.26 | qwerty12 | jaska: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=219621 |
| 16:05.47 | qwerty12 | DUDE, WHERE'S MY STYLUS |
| 16:06.04 | jaska | also need to make the esc/pgup/pgdn touch bar thingy smaller |
| 16:07.18 | jaska | loots qwertys libvte |
| 16:07.48 | qwerty12 | Heh, it's the one from svn with a patch by fanoush to remove the borders :) |
| 16:08.04 | summatusmentis | what're you doing with x-terms? |
| 16:08.10 | jaska | yeah.. xterm is the most important application for me :) |
| 16:08.22 | jaska | using other machines over ssh? |
| 16:08.33 | summatusmentis | well, why the hacking? |
| 16:09.03 | qwerty12 | me? I wanted the reset and clear option |
| 16:09.08 | qwerty12 | can't live w/out that |
| 16:09.09 | jaska | maximizing the usable text area so i can use as big font as i can |
| 16:11.10 | jaska | ty. now i have less wheels to reinvent :) |
| 16:12.10 | qwerty12 | I should reupload that diff, stupid pastebin seems to have cut parts off :) |
| 16:15.50 | Proteous | hmm |
| 16:16.11 | jaska | cut at 226 lines? |
| 16:17.46 | qwerty12 | grr, it's stupid diff cutting it off. Take the source folder: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/mod-osso-xterm-0.14.mh12.tar.bz2 :) |
| 16:22.11 | aquatix | hm, is that nethack? |
| 16:23.03 | jaska | adom i think |
| 16:23.46 | aquatix | qwerty12: that .deb in that post is the latest? |
| 16:24.01 | qwerty12 | aquatix: yeah, the 1st post? |
| 16:24.13 | aquatix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.25 | aquatix | http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb |
| 16:24.53 | aquatix | ah wait |
| 16:24.58 | aquatix | the first post has a later version |
| 16:25.18 | qwerty12 | what do you want? that libvte is only needed if you want to be able to see the difference between grey and black in the terminal and want to remove the border between fonts (something like that) |
| 16:25.28 | qwerty12 | the first post has the actual osso-xterm mod |
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| 16:25.50 | aquatix | qwerty12: yeah, i want the first post ;) |
| 16:28.39 | qwerty12 | ~curse dpkg-depcheck |
| 16:28.40 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg-depcheck ! |
| 16:30.56 | aquatix | ok, this is awesome :) |
| 16:31.03 | aquatix | qwerty12: thanks for that patched xterm |
| 16:31.12 | qwerty12 | heh, np :) |
| 16:31.24 | aquatix | hm |
| 16:31.43 | aquatix | i attached screen on it, then attached it again on my pc, detaching it remotely |
| 16:31.50 | aquatix | but it still shows (frozen) on my tablet |
| 16:32.01 | aquatix | ah, now it updated |
| 16:32.04 | aquatix | weird |
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| 17:02.27 | lcuk | burps |
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| 17:11.46 | talus46 | greetings |
| 17:12.11 | talus46 | anyone here ever tried to use the webcam with a flash client? |
| 17:13.18 | lcuk | no, but ive heard there was a bounty for it, so i think it doesnt work |
| 17:13.24 | GeneralAntilles | Who wants to bet Quim's thumb is for the picture? http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 17:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | People are baffling. |
| 17:13.34 | qwerty12 | it worked but only for the flash that comes with chinook |
| 17:14.09 | talus46 | does the maemo has v4l drivers? |
| 17:14.31 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i want more more more of the clone girl. have you been onto the flickr page and seen the video nearby in the stream? |
| 17:14.44 | talus46 | so with diablo i can't access the webcam with a flash client |
| 17:14.44 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 17:14.47 | lcuk | shes wearing an amazing dress that flairs out when she twirls, its breathtaking |
| 17:14.56 | lcuk | finds it |
| 17:15.18 | lcuk | http://flickr.com/photos/tonibduguid/2833375494/in/photostream/ |
| 17:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 17:15.49 | lcuk | its also very very short which adds to the appeal |
| 17:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid Flash |
| 17:16.28 | GeneralAntilles | fire |
| 17:16.30 | GeneralAntilles | er |
| 17:16.36 | talus46 | hehe |
| 17:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | Crashed Quicksilver, too, for some reason. |
| 17:16.39 | lcuk | she doesnt flash does she? :O |
| 17:16.53 | peteblack | hey guys, i've been searching in vain for a runlevel editor like sysv-rc-conf, any know of something similar? |
| 17:17.11 | talus46 | well my problem is i'm build a thing like videoblog and would like very much to be able to support n810 |
| 17:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently I can't play it, lcuk. |
| 17:17.50 | lcuk | shame |
| 17:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | "Playback of this video failed. Please try again later on." |
| 17:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe moontiger had it deleted. <_< |
| 17:18.10 | lcuk | tell you what, ill watch it for you |
| 17:18.15 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 17:20.11 | talus46 | ok just another question then |
| 17:20.22 | jaska | was the "bright black" thing in libvte? |
| 17:20.39 | talus46 | is the flash plugin the full version or the mobile version? |
| 17:20.45 | lcuk | talus46, it does support v4l - in gstreamer at least |
| 17:21.01 | GeneralAntilles | Full version |
| 17:21.04 | lcuk | i just think its the retarded binary blob that doesnt recognise the awesomeness that is maemo |
| 17:21.38 | talus46 | and its the v4l version 1 or 2? |
| 17:21.55 | GeneralAntilles | Flash 9 doesn't support v4l2 |
| 17:21.59 | GeneralAntilles | Wait for Flash 10. |
| 17:22.05 | talus46 | yes it doesn't |
| 17:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, blobs usually refer to drivers. :P |
| 17:22.18 | talus46 | so if the maemo version is 2 |
| 17:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | It is. |
| 17:22.24 | lcuk | v4l2src |
| 17:22.27 | talus46 | ok |
| 17:22.35 | talus46 | that's the problem then |
| 17:22.38 | talus46 | :-D |
| 17:22.40 | lcuk | and the flash blob is exactly that, we cannot improve on it, so its a black box |
| 17:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not a kernel driver. |
| 17:23.02 | talus46 | yes i know |
| 17:23.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a binary-only browser plugin. :P |
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| 17:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | I know _you_ know, talus46, but lcuk's mixing terminology. :P |
| 17:23.26 | talus46 | hehe |
| 17:23.26 | lcuk | no im not |
| 17:23.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob |
| 17:23.31 | talus46 | :-D |
| 17:23.55 | GeneralAntilles | Kernel drivers do not include browser plugins. |
| 17:24.46 | talus46 | going to check if is there a wrapper for v4l2 to masq it as v4l |
| 17:28.07 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: started initial movements towards having bootmenu.d bootmenu in extras(-devel) |
| 17:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome! |
| 17:29.05 | Stskeeps | waiting for fanoush's opinion but made the bootmenu dpkg-buildpackage'able |
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| 17:30.15 | jaska | aah, found the vte black patch \o/ |
| 17:31.47 | GeneralAntilles | Did anybody submit that to bugzilla? |
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| 17:32.46 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, but it's been in osso-xterm svn for time now |
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| 17:39.30 | Stslaptop | GeneralAntilles: any possibility of escalating the problem of repository.maemo.org shifting between 401(sp) forbidden and peering package downloads? is a real bitch when trying to set up the maemo sdk it stops completely when apt-getting the packages for sdk - seems i'm not the only one experiencing it |
| 17:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 17:40.52 | GeneralAntilles | Hadn't noticed. |
| 17:40.52 | GeneralAntilles | Is there a bug? |
| 17:41.48 | Stslaptop | well, i'm not sure it's a bug or it's akamai complaining over making a lot of http requests.. i guess it's a bug since it doesn't ask to re-try downloads in the script, (apt-get -d install first until working, then apt-get install) |
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| 17:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | Has somebody filed a bug in bugzilla? |
| 17:42.48 | GeneralAntilles | If not, do so, then bug _marcell_ |
| 17:42.53 | Stslaptop | *nod* k |
| 17:43.10 | Stslaptop | didn't know infrastructure bugs went there too ;) |
| 17:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | There's a whole section for maemo.org. ;) |
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| 17:44.44 | Stslaptop | ponders if someone is doing p2p in this train since the wifi is so bloody slow |
| 17:45.09 | GeneralAntilles | I hate it when you install software over ssh only to realize the tablet is all the way across the room. |
| 17:45.13 | GeneralAntilles | sighs and gets up. |
| 17:45.29 | talus46 | great! looks like flash 10 is out |
| 17:45.31 | talus46 | http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about/ |
| 17:45.56 | talus46 | so how long will it take to maemo? |
| 17:45.58 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see Linux/armel on that list. ;) |
| 17:46.00 | johnx | never |
| 17:46.06 | GeneralAntilles | Whenever Nokia pays Adobe to do it. |
| 17:46.09 | talus46 | damn |
| 17:46.12 | talus46 | :-P |
| 17:47.23 | talus46 | so i guess probably when n900 hit the market |
| 17:48.05 | johnx | right, the n900 will get it. I'll bet dollars to donuts the no one ever releases an official flash 10 for the n8x0 hardware |
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| 17:48.42 | woglinde | hm wasn theire a rumor adobe will release the source of flash |
| 17:48.51 | talus46 | ?? |
| 17:48.53 | talus46 | where? |
| 17:48.56 | johnx | just parts of it, kind of a glue layer, IIRC |
| 17:49.04 | woglinde | johny jepp |
| 17:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | bangs head on desk waiting for maemo.org to load. |
| 17:49.44 | johnx | deletes 30GB of tmp |
| 17:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | I just want the goddamn trademark page so I can link the BlueMaemo guy to the correct logo |
| 17:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | Is that too much to ask? |
| 17:50.52 | woglinde | *g* |
| 17:50.56 | johnx | ponders whether fremantle will involve API breaks or not |
| 17:51.20 | woglinde | generalantilles I heard some say maemo.org has the best opensource cms |
| 17:51.21 | Stslaptop | if the ubuntu conspiracy holds true, probably |
| 17:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 17:51.45 | GeneralAntilles | woglinde, midgard terrifies me. |
| 17:52.01 | johnx | Stslaptop, really? is it actually substantiated by something? |
| 17:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | Certain statements from Nokia and Ubuntu people seem to suggest so. |
| 17:52.35 | johnx | huh...well I'll be damned |
| 17:52.39 | johnx | didn't see that coming |
| 17:52.59 | Stslaptop | johnx: sec, conductor coming |
| 17:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | THIS GUY DOESN"T HAVE A TICKET! |
| 17:53.46 | suihkulokki | fremantle is doomed to break abi if they update gtk |
| 17:54.06 | johnx | I wonder if they'll finally go with an upstream gtk |
| 17:54.17 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I figure that there'll be enough UI changes that API breaks will be the least of people's worries. ;) |
| 17:54.20 | johnx | I'd almost hold off mucking with current stuff if that was the case |
| 17:54.21 | suihkulokki | since the patched maemo gtk will eventually conflict with something upstream cooks up |
| 17:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, want to put something on the questions for Nokia page to that effect? |
| 17:55.03 | johnx | sure |
| 17:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | Knowing is relevant to developer's interests right now. |
| 17:55.12 | suihkulokki | new ui doesn't neccessary break api/abi in itself - it will just provide new libraries |
| 17:55.41 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, and very relevant to what I spend time on, even if I don't develop so much as hack/compile |
| 17:56.16 | johnx | actually, there's already a fremantle branch, IIRC |
| 17:56.22 | johnx | I suppose I should look there first |
| 17:56.32 | Stslaptop | johnx: a funny comment from qqil about ubuntu mobile and not being able to go into details, moblin (ubuntu mobile upstream) switching to fedora, canonical guy saying he had a boatload of NDAs about the new tablets "watch this space in 6 months" |
| 17:57.20 | johnx | Stslaptop, well that's hopeful |
| 17:57.40 | johnx | actually, god that would be incredible |
| 17:57.51 | Stslaptop | also, upstart |
| 17:57.55 | johnx | meh |
| 17:58.13 | Stslaptop | oh, and mojo.handhelds.org |
| 17:58.16 | johnx | I just want to see a unified front for mobile linux |
| 17:58.19 | Stslaptop | why would nokia sponsor that? |
| 17:58.33 | johnx | Stslaptop, well they sponsor a lot of things, like carman |
| 17:58.44 | Stslaptop | true |
| 17:58.49 | Stslaptop | but mojo is very targeted |
| 17:58.53 | johnx | I pegged it as a research project |
| 17:59.21 | johnx | but I didn't think it would be necessarily tied to any future project |
| 17:59.33 | Stslaptop | also i kinda pondered the inexistence of hildon and such in their builds |
| 17:59.39 | johnx | isn't mamona sponsered too? |
| 18:00.06 | johnx | Stslaptop, think they're building hildon in-house to use on top of mojo? |
| 18:00.11 | Stslaptop | well that's a project from indt sortof isn't there |
| 18:00.19 | Stslaptop | johnx: maybe |
| 18:01.01 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 18:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | Why weren't all of the logos gathered in one place in svg after the contest? |
| 18:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | shouldn't be having to dig for them now. |
| 18:01.25 | Stslaptop | someone should bait on iTT or something |
| 18:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know glaubert's email? |
| 18:01.31 | Stslaptop | "A conspiracy theory?" |
| 18:01.31 | Stslaptop | :P |
| 18:01.57 | johnx | Stskeeps, bleh! :P I want to increase the signal/noise ratio, not put it through the floor |
| 18:02.11 | Stslaptop | if we get a "Heh-heh-heh!" from texrat |
| 18:02.17 | Stslaptop | ;P |
| 18:02.28 | johnx | then we know he's a tease, nothing more |
| 18:02.32 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how godawful that thread would be. |
| 18:02.39 | GeneralAntilles | We already know _that_. |
| 18:02.43 | Stslaptop | hehe |
| 18:03.25 | Stslaptop | i would really welcome the ubuntu maemo conspiracy though |
| 18:03.25 | Stslaptop | :P |
| 18:03.36 | Stslaptop | that'd solve so bloody many things |
| 18:03.41 | johnx | yes |
| 18:03.43 | johnx | so much yes |
| 18:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | CCs handful instead, since glaubert, apparently, doesn't use email. |
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| 18:06.47 | johnx | huh...well they certainly have their own gtk+ 2.12.12 in trunk |
| 18:06.52 | Stslaptop | yeah |
| 18:06.55 | Stslaptop | that was what i built |
| 18:07.39 | johnx | I wonder if they're planning some kind of legacy support? |
| 18:11.48 | Stslaptop | i think they slowly deprecate stuff |
| 18:13.39 | BULLE_ | Stslaptop: what is this ubuntu maemo conspiracy thing ? that they will base next os on ubuntu ? |
| 18:14.17 | Stslaptop | BULLE_: yeah, well, their arm port of it |
| 18:14.41 | johnx | huh...guess pandora has gone ubuntu as well |
| 18:14.59 | Stslaptop | BULLE_: Just speculation though |
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| 18:15.05 | BULLE_ | Stslaptop: aye |
| 18:15.32 | Stslaptop | i mean, it would make sense to scrap the underlying old debian base |
| 18:16.29 | johnx | well, that just simplified things for me quite a bit *shrugs* |
| 18:16.33 | johnx | off to sleep |
| 18:16.36 | johnx | 'night all |
| 18:16.48 | lcuk | nite johnx |
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| 19:02.50 | lcuk810 | does nobody have anything to say tonight |
| 19:03.00 | shapr | not me |
| 19:03.02 | Stslap | nop |
| 19:03.03 | shapr | Oh wait! |
| 19:03.07 | lcuk810 | lol |
| 19:03.41 | BULLE_ | i have nothing! |
| 19:04.04 | qwerty12_N800 | wishes police broadcasted on frequencies below 85 |
| 19:04.34 | Stslap | itt is boring these days so i ponder to stirr conversation with a good old fashioned conspiracy theory / wishful thinking about fremantle |
| 19:04.35 | Stslap | :P |
| 19:04.35 | summatusmentis | you're following police scanners? |
| 19:05.11 | lcuk810 | lol sts, i think a good flame war helps |
| 19:05.40 | qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, well my tablet is running a kernel that can let the radio chip use japanese frequencies and i hoped police were broadcasting on them :p |
| 19:05.42 | shapr | Is there any decent way to run Linux on Cell cpu? I bought a PS3, but it has only 256mb of memory. I tried to buy a Mercury Computing box for home use, and the salesman laughed at me. They cost about $15k |
| 19:06.08 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: :-D |
| 19:06.11 | lcuk810 | n900 is just gonna be a rebadged pandora should set them burning |
| 19:06.15 | BULLE_ | Stslap: freemantle is the name of the next tablet os ? |
| 19:06.22 | Stslap | BULLE_: yeah |
| 19:06.23 | yacoob | shapr, iirc, linux is officially supported on ps3 |
| 19:06.30 | lcuk810 | shapr, ps3 has linux doesnt it |
| 19:06.40 | yacoob | yellow dog linux, I think they've also made special version of ubuntu (or debian?) for it |
| 19:06.40 | summatusmentis | shapr: http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/19/fedora-linux-up-and-running-on-playstation-3-with-video/ |
| 19:06.49 | shapr | Yeah sure, but I really want a decent desktop box that use one or more Cell cpus... |
| 19:07.02 | lcuk810 | not that i would buy a games console just for lnux |
| 19:07.06 | yacoob | you need to repartition your hard drive, then boot it. Linux doesn't have access to some of the features, but it's kind of working. |
| 19:07.07 | shapr | My dual core amd box has 4gb of ram.. my ps3 has 256mb of ram. |
| 19:07.11 | derf | No cell processor is used in a desktop machine. |
| 19:07.15 | Stslap | shapr: the more cell cpus won't help on standard apps though |
| 19:07.25 | shapr | derf: Well, they are... it's just that $15k is too much for me to pay. |
| 19:07.31 | yacoob | Stslap, why? if the apps are multithreaded? |
| 19:07.38 | shapr | Stslap: Sure, but I want to write highly parallel apps. |
| 19:07.40 | derf | The Mercury boxes are not for desktop machines. |
| 19:07.48 | shapr | Stslap: Are you skeeps? |
| 19:07.54 | derf | There's a reason they're $15k. |
| 19:08.00 | shapr | derf: And that is? |
| 19:08.07 | Stslap | shapr: cell are vector processors.. |
| 19:08.12 | shapr | Stslap: Sure, I know that. |
| 19:08.17 | shapr | I'm very familiar with the Cell. |
| 19:08.17 | lcuk810 | It helps in windows, you can run app, windows, virus checker, spyware checker, monkey thing and 7 trojans all at the same time |
| 19:08.22 | derf | They're for making custom hardware (e.g., military systems). |
| 19:08.27 | shapr | derf: What?? |
| 19:08.34 | Stslap | alright then |
| 19:08.37 | shapr | derf: Dude, it's just a CPU. |
| 19:08.40 | lcuk810 | ps3 are military! |
| 19:08.56 | derf | Anything where you need a large amount of processing power with a (relatively) small size/weight/power footprint. |
| 19:08.56 | shapr | Admittedly, it's technically nine CPUs per die, but for some value of CPU. |
| 19:09.05 | shapr | Like... my desktop! |
| 19:09.19 | shapr | Thus my urge to get a decent desktop system that has one or more Cell cpus... |
| 19:09.29 | derf | Your desktop does not need that much processing power. |
| 19:09.38 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk810, lol, when ps2 was released in japan, they wouldn't let them export it due to fears the cpu could be used to control a nuclear bomb |
| 19:10.04 | Stslap | technically n8x0 dsp probably could too.. |
| 19:10.05 | Stslap | :P |
| 19:10.05 | shapr | Be that as it may, I have about $5k hanging around, and the urge to build a Cell desktop with at least two Cell cores. |
| 19:10.10 | lcuk810 | propoganda |
| 19:10.20 | lcuk810 | just get a ps3 |
| 19:10.30 | shapr | I have a PS3, I got it yesterday. |
| 19:10.42 | lcuk810 | then you have it |
| 19:10.53 | derf | shapr: Anyway, I work for a defense contractor. We do a lot of business with Mercury. |
| 19:10.56 | shapr | 256MB of ram is not overwhelming. |
| 19:10.59 | yacoob | what are you doing here then? Go play $some_good_game :) |
| 19:11.09 | shapr | derf: I work for a defense contractor too, and I live near Mercury... |
| 19:11.22 | Stslap | "dad?" |
| 19:11.23 | Stslap | :P |
| 19:11.26 | Gracana | I have a PS3. I got it cheap because it has a dead bluray drive. I installed linux on it, and it's neat to play around with. It's pretty slow for most tasks, but if you use the SPUs properly you can get some interesting results. |
| 19:11.30 | derf | "Mom?" |
| 19:11.31 | shapr | derf: But I still want a dual Cell desktop for at or around $5k |
| 19:11.32 | lcuk810 | shapr its better than a kick in the teeth, man has gotten to the moon using computers with less ram |
| 19:11.52 | BULLE_ | såså |
| 19:12.02 | shapr | vad? |
| 19:12.11 | Stslap | jävla svenskara |
| 19:12.23 | shapr | step off dude, svensk r0xx |
| 19:12.29 | lcuk810 | oh shit, my babelfish came loose |
| 19:12.34 | shapr | Stslap: You're that skeeps guy aren't you? |
| 19:12.43 | Stslap | shapr: obviously |
| 19:12.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, now we need a person to speak norwegian :p |
| 19:12.47 | shapr | I knew it. |
| 19:12.52 | Gracana | lcuk810, not enough brain waves to sustain it? :) |
| 19:12.53 | Stslap | the rudeness gave it off? ;) |
| 19:12.57 | shapr | you got it! |
| 19:12.59 | shapr | danks! |
| 19:13.02 | lcuk810 | lol |
| 19:13.03 | shapr | er, whatever... |
| 19:13.06 | derf | The PS3 is good enough to learn to develop for the cell. I don't know why anyone would buy one for a general desktop system. |
| 19:13.17 | shapr | derf: Are there better options for desktop Cell systems? |
| 19:13.25 | lcuk810 | no |
| 19:13.25 | shapr | This is my original question :-) |
| 19:13.39 | lcuk810 | and you get frwe game and movie with it |
| 19:13.40 | GeneralAntilles | Why not buy some equipment to solder some more RAM onto the PS3? :P |
| 19:13.47 | lcuk810 | wha more could you ask for |
| 19:13.53 | Gracana | I saw some article about Sis developing a cell gpu card with GPGPU applications in mind. That may be of interest. |
| 19:13.55 | shapr | A decent desktop with Cell cores! |
| 19:14.14 | shapr | Gracana: Yeah, Mercury sells one, but even that is $5k, and it has *huge* power requirements. |
| 19:14.26 | Gracana | The Sis one looks a lot saner. |
| 19:14.36 | shapr | Oh, I didn't know about that one, thanks! |
| 19:14.42 | lcuk810 | gracana, all the gpu makers are aiming towards massively multicore designs, its gonna be great |
| 19:14.49 | yacoob | cell-based tablet! |
| 19:15.00 | lcuk810 | 3 minute battery life |
| 19:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk810 is gonna watch 4x the giraffe porn! |
| 19:15.07 | Gracana | Sorry, S3: http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/17/via-owned-s3-graphics-crashes-the-gpgpu-party/ |
| 19:15.07 | shapr | but while the battery works, WOW! |
| 19:15.13 | yacoob | but what a life it would be, lcuk810! |
| 19:15.34 | lcuk810 | gen i dont watch giraffeporn any more |
| 19:15.40 | shapr | Gracana: That's not a Cell? |
| 19:15.43 | lcuk810 | not after the deepthroat i saw |
| 19:15.44 | Gracana | lcuk810, yeah, my laptop has intel graphics, thank god. |
| 19:15.45 | shapr | Or is it, and I'm confused? |
| 19:16.08 | Gracana | shapr, er, you're right. Now I'm all confused. |
| 19:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk810, moving on to harder stuff? :P |
| 19:16.17 | shapr | Gracana: Even so, good suggestion :-) |
| 19:16.18 | Gracana | wonders where that article was |
| 19:16.44 | lcuk810 | heh |
| 19:16.58 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, spend $5k on 30 Beagle Boards then cluster them. |
| 19:19.55 | lcuk810 | speakin of clustering i was ponderin earlier about merging desktop and having an 800*960 resolution |
| 19:22.26 | lcuk810 | am gonna go read niven for a bit anyway |
| 19:22.44 | lcuk810 | cyas later |
| 19:26.15 | yacoob | lcuk, which book? |
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| 19:33.55 | lcuk | juggler of worlds |
| 19:34.01 | lcuk | new dead tree one |
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| 19:34.53 | lcuk | you do realise i just had to powerup 810 connect to network get vnc running just to stop my stupid desktop flashing :p |
| 19:35.28 | qwerty12_N800 | waits for lcuk to go again. MUHAHAHA |
| 19:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk |
| 19:35.36 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:35.58 | lcuk | ys im warm and comfy lay in bed |
| 19:36.52 | lcuk | qwerty now im connected its not as much fun |
| 19:37.09 | lcuk | yeah gen? |
| 19:37.14 | qwerty12_N800 | i'll be waiting... |
| 19:37.34 | qwerty12_N800 | tries to make that sound not so pervy |
| 19:37.44 | moontiger | was wondering |
| 19:37.48 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk |
| 19:38.28 | lcuk | its my fault for not closin desktop, i could just see it flashin in corner of my eye |
| 19:38.36 | lcuk | yer gan |
| 19:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hi. :P |
| 19:38.48 | lcuk | hiya lol |
| 19:39.15 | moontiger | :) |
| 19:39.24 | lcuk | eee channel is a bit dull, its all very technology based |
| 19:40.12 | moontiger | lcuk, u could try the cooking channel |
| 19:40.15 | lcuk | heheheheh |
| 19:40.25 | moontiger | might find those clone chics in there baking cookies |
| 19:40.34 | GeneralAntilles | :rolleyes: |
| 19:40.41 | lcuk | apart from one person asking how to connect a vagina to a digitl interface |
| 19:40.59 | moontiger | hmmmmmmmmm they make digital vibrators now? |
| 19:41.01 | lcuk | i think hes as bored as me lol |
| 19:41.09 | lcuk | iRabbit |
| 19:41.19 | moontiger | rofl |
| 19:41.47 | qwerty12_N800 | moontiger, well, there is programs for phones that give it a vibrator function.... |
| 19:41.55 | moontiger | hehehe i know |
| 19:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'm so glad it's finally cold enough to turn off the AC |
| 19:42.37 | qwerty12_N800 | Florida? Cold? :O |
| 19:42.59 | GeneralAntilles | Well, relatively speaking. |
| 19:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | Mid 70s |
| 19:43.16 | lcuk | wasnt there a console game which when you did well the ermmmmm feedback got greater |
| 19:43.23 | qwerty12_N800 | Cool (no pun intended) :) |
| 19:43.33 | lcuk | and that wiimote has connotations |
| 19:43.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 19:44.05 | lcuk | its got a speaker - you can make god speak |
| 19:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | I like the Wii game where they make you hold the Wiimote up to your ear to answer your cellphone. |
| 19:45.31 | lcuk | theres loads of things like that gan, warioworld has a bunch |
| 19:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know. |
| 19:45.47 | GeneralAntilles | But that felt particularly original. |
| 19:47.01 | lcuk | heh, signal processing algo in wiimote has gotten better erecently |
| 19:47.38 | qwerty12_N800 | Anyone tried a wii controler with the tablet? I'm tempted to buy one for the sole purpose of using on a tablet with either cwiid or wiicontrol. |
| 19:47.41 | lcuk | things like sports bowling and boxing werent quite right initially and easy to be doing the right thing but have it not respond properly |
| 19:48.11 | lcuk | duct tape it to the back and i bet i can find 50 uses for it |
| 19:48.14 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice once they get the new motion controllers |
| 19:48.23 | lcuk | i cant wait for hardware with accel |
| 19:48.27 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, Navi uses one to play emulators on the bus. |
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| 19:48.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Cool, thanks |
| 19:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | The new ones will have gyroscopic rotation |
| 19:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | Instead of just x,y,z |
| 19:49.28 | lcuk | you mean motion plus for wii? |
| 19:49.44 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 19:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly Nintendo will be integrating it into the Wiimote proper at some point. |
| 19:50.00 | lcuk | cos thats onl-y cos you then have a pair of xyz to get a vector in space instead of just point |
| 19:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, build yourself a sensor bar, too. |
| 19:50.21 | lcuk | sensor bar is easiest aspect |
| 19:50.33 | qwerty12_N800 | ok |
| 19:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | We don't get points in space from the accelerometers |
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| 19:50.42 | GeneralAntilles | You get a point from the sensor bar. :P |
| 19:51.50 | lcuk | we get an acceleration from previous point |
| 19:52.06 | GeneralAntilles | The accelerometers report acceleration in gravities |
| 19:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | There's no points involved. |
| 19:52.40 | lcuk | does a wiimote work near a wormhole? |
| 19:53.04 | lcuk | is havin 2 really odd convos.. |
| 19:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno how you think the Wiimote works, but I don't think it has anything to do with how it actually does. :P |
| 19:53.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerometer |
| 19:54.36 | lcuk | gan i know its got the camera to help orient it |
| 19:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | The camera is unrelated to the accelerometers. |
| 19:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hook up a Wiimote to your computer and look at the output. |
| 19:55.17 | lcuk | the camera gives frame of reference |
| 19:55.34 | GeneralAntilles | No it doesn't. |
| 19:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | Put your hand over the camera and see what the motion control does. |
| 19:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | They're entirely unrelated. |
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| 19:56.37 | lcuk | alternatively, put ssensor bar on its side and see what happens |
| 19:56.48 | lcuk | its related |
| 19:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | Absolutely nothing to the motion control, that's for sure. |
| 19:57.15 | lcuk | orientation and framing |
| 19:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | The cursor position on screen doesn't have a damn thing to do with the accelerometers. |
| 19:58.04 | glass | the game can do whatever it wants |
| 19:58.16 | glass | use the ir camera data and the accel data |
| 19:58.28 | glass | i'm pretty sure some games use them to compensate each other |
| 19:58.48 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, but the functionality of each is unrelated to the other. |
| 19:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | and Nintendo certainly doesn't use accelerometer data to position the cursor at the home screen. |
| 19:59.28 | glass | yeah, it's just a pointer device by using two 2 ir spots then |
| 19:59.36 | glass | candles work fine.. |
| 20:05.35 | lcuk | goes back to reading |
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| 20:23.12 | sandman | Is it possible to compile software on the N810? |
| 20:23.35 | sandman | Like to install something using your standard ./configure && make && checkinstall? |
| 20:23.55 | lcuk | its possible to compile |
| 20:23.59 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 20:24.01 | qwerty12_N800 | add sdk repo ; apt install build-essential. |
| 20:24.10 | lcuk | but configure has dependencies which ruin the tablet without extreme foo |
| 20:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to write up a wiki page already. :P |
| 20:24.16 | qwerty12_N800 | s/apt/apt-get |
| 20:24.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and wreck your SSU? ;> |
| 20:24.35 | sandman | That's unfortunate, I think. |
| 20:24.44 | sandman | So the N810 cannot really be a desktop replacement yet, then? |
| 20:24.46 | lcuk | sandman, i develop on my 810 |
| 20:24.52 | Stskeeps | sandman: it's not meant as one |
| 20:25.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, only if some stupid tosser dist-upgrades |
| 20:25.04 | lcuk | i can at least make on it :) |
| 20:25.20 | Stskeeps | sandman: but if you want to compile packages on maemo, it's going to be a uphill battle.. if you want a desktop, go for easy debian or deblet |
| 20:25.37 | lcuk | a desktop on your tablet * |
| 20:25.50 | sandman | Deblet? Never heard of that before. |
| 20:25.51 | Stskeeps | yeah, that's deblet is short for |
| 20:25.59 | Stskeeps | "a DEsktop on your taBLET" |
| 20:26.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:26.05 | lcuk | Stskeeps, tonight when i was using vnc for the first time i thought i could use a full desktop based wm :) |
| 20:26.15 | Stskeeps | sandman: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 20:26.28 | sandman | Ah. |
| 20:26.29 | Stskeeps | it is however not polished |
| 20:26.33 | sandman | Yes. I think I'd probably want that. |
| 20:26.46 | sandman | Sorta reminds me of installing Debian-ARM on the OpenMoko FreeRunner |
| 20:26.58 | sandman | A more or less fully functional computer on your phone =) |
| 20:27.24 | Stskeeps | battery life goes down but if you're hacker, you're welcome to help out |
| 20:27.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:28.03 | RST38h | moo, sts |
| 20:28.07 | Stskeeps | moo, RST38h |
| 20:28.11 | Stskeeps | how's the MIPS? |
| 20:28.58 | RST38h | sts: Something is still broken. Works when stepping through GBA program using debugger, but core dumps during normal execution |
| 20:29.07 | Stskeeps | heisenbugs, yay |
| 20:29.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:31.01 | Stskeeps | ah. Vorführeffekt. bugs happening when demonstrating the software |
| 20:31.08 | RST38h | yep |
| 20:31.32 | RST38h | But those Germans have got even better word that stands for "Broken through improvement" |
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| 20:42.52 | bef0rd | heisenbug |
| 20:46.06 | aouedhtns | do you think the flasher is compatible (at some level) with other nokia phones? |
| 20:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 20:46.54 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, use phoenix |
| 20:47.06 | aouedhtns | Ok. |
| 20:47.12 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, -- n95 does use nolo |
| 20:47.18 | Stskeeps | so on some bizarre level maybe |
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| 20:48.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, lots of phone components are shared with tablet. *cough* bb5 platform *cough* |
| 20:48.23 | Stskeeps | yeah, initfs kinda gives that away |
| 20:48.45 | qwerty12_N800 | i realised that before looking there :) |
| 20:49.01 | lardman | hmm, initfs shared? |
| 20:49.09 | lardman | dsp code is shared |
| 20:49.10 | Stskeeps | n95 uses x-loader too |
| 20:49.19 | Stskeeps | lardman: not linux though |
| 20:49.37 | lardman | Stskeeps: so it uses an initfs, but not linux? |
| 20:50.07 | lardman | I should say DSP code was inherited, not sure how many changes needed to be made |
| 20:50.38 | Stskeeps | lardman: nolo is not initfs |
| 20:50.50 | Stskeeps | they share NOLO and X-Loader, but rest, probably not |
| 20:50.55 | lardman | I know, you said the inirfs "gave it away" |
| 20:51.16 | Stskeeps | lardman: yeah, there's a bb5 something file in OS2008 initfs |
| 20:51.25 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 20:51.25 | Stskeeps | so hence n8x0 is on the bb5 platform |
| 20:52.00 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, initfs has bb5 programs that are used with the high security feature of the processor in the n810w to generate /dev/urandom |
| 20:52.13 | lardman | ah |
| 20:52.33 | lardman | goes back to sleep now ;) |
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| 20:52.48 | qwerty12_N800 | + retu can even be found in an n7= |
| 20:52.52 | qwerty12_N800 | *n70 |
| 20:52.59 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, night lardman |
| 20:53.12 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: yeah, that's common knowledge though isn't it? |
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| 20:53.29 | lardman | will be back |
| 20:53.43 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, indeed, but that just enforces the fact of it being bb5 |
| 20:53.45 | Stskeeps | i wonder if bb5 has some things that can be abused by tablet.. |
| 20:55.07 | qwerty12_N800 | a recent version of phoenix can connect to n800 via usb cable but cant do shit. you need the hardware mentioned in the l3 + l4 service manual |
| 20:56.08 | qwerty12_N800 | that reminds me. i need to get updated flash files for phoenix to reflect the ssu updates |
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| 21:23.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/archive/kexec-arm-r1.patch |
| 21:23.58 | Stskeeps | or http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/kexec/2008-February/001272.html |
| 21:24.06 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 21:24.36 | qwerty12_N800 | go on, apply it and test it out :p |
| 21:24.42 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:24.58 | kristian_paul | ca in install maemo on symbian based phones? |
| 21:25.12 | qwerty12_N800 | no |
| 21:25.20 | kristian_paul | why? |
| 21:25.30 | Stskeeps | kristian_paul: with a lot of pain and tears and illegit activity, and lack of hardware support, maybe |
| 21:25.41 | kristian_paul | i see |
| 21:25.44 | kristian_paul | thanks |
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| 21:26.51 | Stskeeps | then again |
| 21:27.00 | Stskeeps | anything can be accomplished with a lot of pain and tears |
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| 21:28.20 | GeneralAntilles | Hardware support is really the issue. |
| 21:28.27 | GeneralAntilles | Cellular is guaranteed not to work. |
| 21:32.32 | Stskeeps | where is dsme, btw? |
| 21:33.32 | qwerty12_N800 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm |
| 21:33.48 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know |
| 21:33.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:34.14 | qwerty12_N800 | where as what sense then? |
| 21:35.13 | Stskeeps | well they were supposed to open it |
| 21:35.24 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, skeen |
| 21:35.25 | Stskeeps | btw this is an interesting screenshot for my whole conspiracy |
| 21:35.26 | Stskeeps | http://codethink.co.uk/~robtaylor/newhal.png |
| 21:35.47 | Stskeeps | (robtaylor, OHM) |
| 21:36.10 | Stskeeps | .. or not |
| 21:36.14 | Stskeeps | continues chasing ghosts |
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| 21:37.15 | Stskeeps | i kinda wonder why nokia chose OHM of all things though - the thing hasn't been developed since sep 07 |
| 21:37.17 | robtaylor | Stskeeps: hello? =) |
| 21:37.35 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 21:37.36 | Stskeeps | hi |
| 21:37.47 | robtaylor | Stskeeps: what would you like to know exactly? ;) |
| 21:37.55 | Stskeeps | robtaylor: well how finished OHM really is |
| 21:38.12 | Stskeeps | i'm just chasing some speculation about nokia's use of various tech for the new OS, so :P |
| 21:38.44 | Stskeeps | (and while i meanwhile curse that irssi doesn't have a channel membership list on the sidebar) |
| 21:39.16 | robtaylor | Stskeeps: I'm afraid you'll have to wait a while, but I will say, keep an eye on the OHM mailing list .. |
| 21:39.23 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 21:39.35 | qwerty12_N800 | has been looking for http://lekernel.net/scrapbook/fbbmenu770.html for a long time |
| 21:39.45 | Stskeeps | ohm+upstart seems like the right thing(TM) for power management on tablet though |
| 21:39.53 | robtaylor | Stskeeps: yes, I'd agree |
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| 21:40.42 | robtaylor | though i think upstard needs some caching of its init files for fast loading |
| 21:41.24 | Stskeeps | yeah.. does ubuntu even have proper service descriptions of traditional services or does nokia have to end up writing themselves? didn't look too much at adaptation |
| 21:41.38 | Stskeeps | i know debian doesn't have it beyond lsb init headers |
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| 22:17.36 | lardman|tv | night all |
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| 22:29.38 | Macer | Stskeeps , johnx ? you guys around? |
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| 23:13.44 | lopz | hola |
| 23:23.19 | whodat | where are all the themes for OS2008 on maemo.org? all i can find are two. |
| 23:23.49 | woglinde | themes are overrated |
| 23:24.52 | whodat | hheh |
| 23:25.11 | GeneralAntilles | There really aren't that many themes. |
| 23:26.45 | whodat | apparently there are 2. other than the ones installed. ;) |
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| 23:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | LCARS is fun |
| 23:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | Plankton is OK |
| 23:30.04 | jaska | if i ever install a theme itll probably be lcars :d |
| 23:31.44 | whodat | plankton isnt on maemo.org |
| 23:33.40 | GeneralAntilles | I didn't say they would be. |
| 23:33.41 | GeneralAntilles | Google. |
| 23:39.56 | woglinde | nite |
| 23:39.57 | ljp | I feel too nerdy when I tried the lcars theme |
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| 23:48.02 | GeneralAntilles | It is just a bit obscene, isn't it, ljp? ;0 |
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