| 00:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | Stick it by the couch as a remote? |
| 00:01.55 | Stskeeps | possible. but i don't have a tv :> |
| 00:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | Buy one! |
| 00:03.50 | Stskeeps | you can say much about old machines and stuff.. but familiar actually runs bloody fast O_o, same with wince :P |
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| 00:08.28 | johnx | Stskeeps, which interface? gpe or opie? |
| 00:08.31 | glass | news etc photoframe? |
| 00:09.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: gpe |
| 00:10.09 | Stskeeps | opie better or? |
| 00:10.46 | johnx | opie's faster, but less useful to me on a 640x480 |
| 00:10.56 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 00:12.26 | Stskeeps | i got like 2x ipaq 3630 for like, what, 21$, with a stoaway kbd, charger + usb charger cable, and one CF jacket |
| 00:12.30 | Stskeeps | (21 in total) |
| 00:12.35 | Stskeeps | think that was a pretty decent buy |
| 00:12.49 | Stskeeps | one of the ipaq has a shot battery, the other one functions fine and my gf will get that :P |
| 00:13.17 | woglinde | Stskeeps yes |
| 00:13.24 | johnx | Stskeeps, rss ticker? |
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| 00:14.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: possibly |
| 00:14.13 | woglinde | ah nice |
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| 00:14.26 | woglinde | uclibc now compiles with --hash-style |
| 00:14.28 | Stskeeps | probably need another usb cable though |
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| 01:08.44 | mdg | Hello! |
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| 01:09.43 | johnx | hi |
| 01:10.07 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.48 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:19.13 | mgedmin | my 770 is far far away |
| 01:19.27 | johnx | so is mdg, it appears |
| 01:19.48 | mgedmin | nooo! don't touch my 770, mdg! |
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| 01:49.57 | orangey | hey all! |
| 01:50.07 | orangey | when I plug in the maemo, it gives me a removable drive. |
| 01:50.15 | orangey | but I can't access that drive from the file manager. |
| 01:50.20 | orangey | how can I see it? |
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| 01:52.11 | johnx | you say "when I plug in the maemo." Do you mean plug the tablet into a computer? or plug a usb hard drive or flash drive into the tablet? |
| 01:53.25 | orangey | plug the n810 into a computer |
| 01:53.49 | johnx | what you see is the contents of "Internal Memory Card" or whatever it's called |
| 01:53.59 | johnx | you should be able to see it in file manager |
| 01:54.11 | moontiger | what operating system ? |
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| 01:54.34 | orangey | ubuntu or XP (I'm using a virtualized XP to play with Garnet VM) |
| 01:54.58 | orangey | I guess one question is why the file manager refuses to show me / |
| 01:55.08 | moontiger | in ubuntu it *might* not be mounting as read / write |
| 01:55.09 | johnx | to protect you from yourself :) |
| 01:55.19 | johnx | you can see "Internal Card" in the file manager, right? |
| 01:55.34 | moontiger | heh he wants to see / |
| 01:55.53 | moontiger | u can with sshfs |
| 01:56.00 | johnx | moontiger, I'm still responding to his earlier question |
| 01:56.05 | moontiger | oh sorry |
| 01:56.08 | moontiger | :| |
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| 01:56.20 | johnx | it's fine :) |
| 01:56.35 | moontiger | :) |
| 01:56.45 | orangey | aha! |
| 01:56.51 | orangey | I wasn't seeing the internal memory card |
| 01:57.01 | orangey | but I did see it once I unmounted and unplugged |
| 01:57.14 | johnx | yeah, it's not there while the device is plugged in |
| 01:57.36 | johnx | can't have the same fs mounted by two devices |
| 01:58.57 | johnx | well you could, as long as it was read-only in both places |
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| 02:01.21 | moontiger | johnx, can u mount it read only in more than one place? |
| 02:02.04 | johnx | as long as both places mount it read-only I don't see why it would be a problem, but I'm not sure if linux lets you do that |
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| 02:05.38 | moontiger | goes back to php |
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| 02:09.09 | derf | johnx: Linux lets you do that. |
| 02:09.22 | johnx | ah, ok. neat :D |
| 02:09.29 | derf | Linux lets you mount it two places rw, if you really want to. |
| 02:10.06 | johnx | huh |
| 02:10.24 | johnx | I guess if it lets you fsck a mounted an fs it might as well let you do that... |
| 02:10.48 | derf | Linux figures you're a big boy. If you want to hose your data, who is it to argue? |
| 02:11.32 | johnx | "...and here's enough rope to hang yourself." |
| 02:13.21 | mgedmin | you have to convince the fsck to give you the rope, though |
| 02:13.29 | derf | Not exactly the same situation, but for example vmware opens all of the partitions on your drive rw, and then uses software controls to determine which ones to make available to the guest OS. |
| 02:13.47 | derf | I don't know why it _needs_ to do this, but it can. |
| 02:14.15 | johnx | heh...I wonder what the comment in their code looks like for that section |
| 02:14.27 | johnx | / IT WOULD BE BAD IF WE MESS UP HERE |
| 02:14.28 | derf | And then it's up to you to make sure you don't configure it to expose a drive you've got mounted rw in the host. |
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| 03:19.30 | smackpotato | why is minigpsd so much better than gpsd |
| 03:20.22 | GeneralAntilles | Because anecdotal evidence is really super useful? |
| 03:21.28 | smackpotato | im sure it is ive noticed |
| 03:21.46 | smackpotato | anecdotal evidence that is |
| 03:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | What's your criteria for "so much better" |
| 03:23.11 | smackpotato | i just thought it might be |
| 03:23.48 | smackpotato | its verry rigorious |
| 03:24.50 | smackpotato | whats your opinion GA |
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| 03:26.28 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have one, I haven't tried minigpsd. |
| 03:26.50 | smackpotato | have you read the thread |
| 03:27.54 | GeneralAntilles | No, tz has already caused me enough irritating on bugzilla. |
| 03:28.14 | smackpotato | hmmm |
| 03:28.46 | GeneralAntilles | s/irritating/irritation/ |
| 03:29.05 | smackpotato | in maemo maper with gpsd you have to set it to bluetooth for some reason |
| 03:29.20 | smackpotato | in the settings |
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| 03:29.58 | smackpotato | im cool with that |
| 03:30.01 | mgedmin | reason being: it uses the maemo bt library which interprets "" as "internal device" and starts up gpsd |
| 03:30.14 | mgedmin | if you specify gpsd, it tries to connect to a daemon that is not running |
| 03:30.28 | mgedmin | without asking the maemo bt library to bring it up |
| 03:31.56 | smackpotato | cool |
| 03:32.45 | arquebus | is maemo totally open in that it could be ported to other handheld devices? |
| 03:33.17 | age | like pandora? |
| 03:33.42 | johnx | arquebus, it depends on how people define "maemo" but if you mean the whole OS2008 distribution: no |
| 03:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | arquebus, no. |
| 03:33.54 | arquebus | age- I dont know, it just appears to me that maemo is the only linux distro that supports commercial apps |
| 03:34.15 | GeneralAntilles | You can certainly run Maemo on Pandora/Beagle without too much hassle. |
| 03:35.05 | johnx | arquebus, there isn't any "support" needed for commercial apps. Companies either decide it's worth their time to make commercial apps for a certain OS/distro/device or not |
| 03:35.10 | arquebus | dont know anything about pandora |
| 03:35.28 | age | I've seen your Beagle setup GA |
| 03:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the important point about Pandora is that the hardware is similar enough where it counts that it's not a huge issue. |
| 03:35.50 | arquebus | johnx- thats the whole problem, commercial apps have to be ported to certain distros, there is no common installation system |
| 03:36.14 | johnx | arquebus, in this case the bigger problem is the CPU architecture |
| 03:36.46 | johnx | I wouldn't say "ported" though, just packaged |
| 03:36.57 | arquebus | johnx- I dont think that is a big problem, its just a matter of compiling to a cpu architecture |
| 03:37.21 | johnx | as long as the app doesn't make assumptions about the CPU... |
| 03:37.43 | johnx | but packaging can be done with only binaries available. there are no invasive changes to the source required |
| 03:39.28 | peteblack | hi, anyone here have a RX-48? |
| 03:39.49 | arquebus | johnx- thats true, I guess that maemo just has another package managing system, I guess I was assuming that it was something more than that considering Nokia is more commercial oriented |
| 03:40.15 | johnx | arquebus, nope, just need to make a .deb with the right dependencies |
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| 03:40.38 | johnx | if you're only going to do it once, it's easy to do by hand, too |
| 03:40.41 | arquebus | wow, didnt know that maemo was another debian offshoot |
| 03:43.21 | arquebus | still its too bad Nokia doesnt make a more serious installation system, I think that Nokia has potential to market Linux apps big time for commercial companies, no one has tapped into the potential for selling Linux apps commercially until Android, and Android is playing it too safe by being Java only |
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| 03:44.08 | johnx | arquebus, I don't understand why you think Nokia needs to make yet another package system to entice commercial apps? |
| 03:45.24 | johnx | they convinced skype, gizmo, adobe, boingo-mobile, access (garnetVM) to make .deb packages. |
| 03:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | is really bored with Red Pill idiocy. |
| 03:46.22 | johnx | found a way to confuse sizeeasy |
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| 03:46.33 | arquebus | because as youve already mentioned, there is no common installation standard between distros, I think that Nokia could create a common standard for commercial software companys to develop for, and Nokia could sell these apps also |
| 03:46.42 | arquebus | well there has to be a better way than .deb packages because each packaging system puts stuff in different places |
| 03:47.27 | johnx | that's what LSB is for. And how would Nokia making yet-another-package format convince redhat/debian to follow up? |
| 03:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 03:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | avoids using positive terminology in describing Red Pill. |
| 03:49.25 | arquebus | johnx- right now I dont think there is any avenue for either commercial or private developers to sell software without direct contracts with Nokia, but if people could sell software on their own, I think software companys would flock to cash in on the mobile Linux market |
| 03:49.49 | johnx | arquebus, well they can do that now and they obviously haven't |
| 03:50.13 | GeneralAntilles | There needs to be a market first. |
| 03:50.17 | GeneralAntilles | and there isn't much of one yet. |
| 03:50.23 | johnx | there are like a couple hundred thousand tablet owners at most. That's just not a market worth developing big commercial apps for |
| 03:50.38 | johnx | unless they're ports or highly specialized (read: expensive) |
| 03:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's likely over 750k by now. |
| 03:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | The last numbers were in the 300k-500k range from Summer 2007. |
| 03:51.07 | arquebus | johnx- I see what youre saying, but I think what is holding back developers and software companys is they know they would only be selling for one isolated mobile Linux distro |
| 03:51.29 | johnx | arquebus, right, and packaging isn't the problem |
| 03:52.11 | arquebus | johnx- well that goes back to my original point about how well maemo can be ported to other architectures |
| 03:52.35 | johnx | Nokia doesn't want it to be ported. It's the same situation as MacOSX |
| 03:52.43 | johnx | they produce software to sell hardware |
| 03:53.25 | johnx | or at best, they're apathetic about it being ported |
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| 03:55.44 | arquebus | johnx- I can understand that, Nokia has been making big money selling enterprise apps |
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| 03:57.25 | johnx | anyways, the parts of maemo that are required to make maemo apps are available on debian and ubuntu and fedora, IIRC |
| 04:00.09 | arquebus | well Nokia embraced open source by opening source on Symbian and it cost them like 40 million dollars to buy/give away Symbian, I would think they would be more open to porting out maemo |
| 04:01.13 | arquebus | whoops, $400 million, not $40 million |
| 04:01.36 | johnx | their symbian section is pretty separate from their tablet/maemo section |
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| 04:02.45 | johnx | huh...didn't know sizeasy could do rotation... |
| 04:02.56 | arquebus | Ive heard that the gui SDK for Symbian is pretty bad, but the whole idea of opening source on Symbian is for all the industry to work together to make one united SDK and not a bunch of seperate ones |
| 04:02.58 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a list of all the safety locks that Red Pill disables? |
| 04:05.02 | arquebus | this Pandora thing looks interesting, I guess this is like openmoko or something, I want to buy something like that, I had the touch screen input for openmoko |
| 04:05.48 | johnx | it's a little smaller scale than openmoko in terms of the company involved |
| 04:07.39 | arquebus | as long as it works, I'll buy one, Ive been wanting a mobile data clamshell for a long time, the only option being Nokia e90 which sucks due to its long narrow screen which is only suitable for text work |
| 04:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | Pandora isn't a cellphone. |
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| 04:08.16 | freelikegnu | Pandora is what the 810 shoulda been |
| 04:09.02 | arquebus | freelikegnu: DAMN STRAIGHT!! |
| 04:09.06 | johnx | freelikegnu, two years late? |
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| 04:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't care for clamshells. |
| 04:09.36 | GeneralAntilles | Pandora is also a lot bigger. |
| 04:09.40 | freelikegnu | the n800 is still serving me well, but it has not been Pandora that I've thought about a new device |
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| 04:09.44 | johnx | likes clamshells well enough but really wants a nice convertible tablet-thing |
| 04:10.23 | freelikegnu | johnx: that would be nice, like the zaurus? |
| 04:10.44 | johnx | yeah, like the cxx00 form factor, with the n810's screen and an omap3 |
| 04:10.46 | johnx | drools |
| 04:11.03 | johnx | and the c1000 keyboard instead of gaming controls |
| 04:11.04 | arquebus | GeneralAntilles: I dont understand why everyone wants exposed screens, how would you carry stuff like that around without one of those stupid screen protector condoms? |
| 04:11.16 | freelikegnu | well, the Pandora team seems really open to design suggestions |
| 04:11.22 | johnx | arquebus, just shove it in your pocket and don't worry about it |
| 04:11.39 | johnx | freelikegnu, not any more. :P They're in final production |
| 04:11.58 | freelikegnu | I mean they were and prolly would be for the next gen device |
| 04:12.02 | johnx | anyways, the convetible tablet design is 1) hard to pull of right and 2) patented |
| 04:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | arquebus, because my pockets aren't filled with metal shavings? |
| 04:12.22 | arquebus | GeneralAntilles: not even keys or change? |
| 04:12.25 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, where do you keep your metal shavings? |
| 04:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | arquebus, I have two pockets. |
| 04:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | One for things likely to cause damage to other things, one for things likely to be damaged by other things. |
| 04:12.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's not hard to keep them separate. |
| 04:12.58 | slonopotamus | hm |
| 04:12.59 | arquebus | oh, I keep my wallet in my other front pocket, that explains it |
| 04:13.01 | slonopotamus | hi |
| 04:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | Wallets go in back pockets. |
| 04:13.11 | johnx | arquebus, you need more pockets :) |
| 04:13.22 | johnx | hi slonopotamus |
| 04:13.25 | arquebus | johnx- ture |
| 04:13.29 | arquebus | *true |
| 04:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | The Pandora team is, sadly, not very open on the software front. |
| 04:13.43 | freelikegnu | hey johnx I can't seem to find out if there is wpa_supplicant and driver for Diablo like there is for Chinook |
| 04:13.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, they're not writing much software :) |
| 04:13.58 | slonopotamus | johnx, i still can't understand why mamona recommends -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp |
| 04:14.03 | freelikegnu | also curious about a2dp use in Diablo |
| 04:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, still, a curious behavior for a project called "OpenPandora". |
| 04:14.32 | GeneralAntilles | kernel, stuff, OE recipes, etc. |
| 04:14.37 | GeneralAntilles | s/,// |
| 04:14.40 | freelikegnu | It seems from the forum it is possible to do a2dp, but I could not find instructions |
| 04:14.54 | freelikegnu | a2dp in diablo I mean |
| 04:14.57 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, the kernel is out there. I already linked it. :P The OE recipes...are probably really boring |
| 04:15.10 | johnx | slonopotamus, what don't you understand. that looks right |
| 04:15.27 | arquebus | but does the Pandora have celular connectivity? I dont see that listed |
| 04:15.33 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said, no. |
| 04:15.36 | freelikegnu | arquebus: its not a phone |
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| 04:15.54 | freelikegnu | unless you use a usb cell modem |
| 04:16.04 | johnx | freelikegnu, cx3110x w/ wext patches is in deblet, wpa_supplicant should work from chinook. I haven't worked on a2dp lately, but the chinook stuff should work in diablo, lardman has been hacking on sbc-dsp |
| 04:16.05 | arquebus | freelikegnu: damn damn, why do they always screw it up, how can it not have a phone, I thought only Nokia was that dumb |
| 04:16.20 | GeneralAntilles | lol? |
| 04:16.23 | freelikegnu | hehe |
| 04:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | You realize how much trouble putting a cellular modem in there would be? |
| 04:16.50 | johnx | ...especially selling it *internationally* |
| 04:17.00 | freelikegnu | johnx: thats heartening, one of the things keeping me from upgrading yet |
| 04:17.18 | arquebus | GeneralAntilles: No I dont, they can fit cellphones in watches if they want to, and there is such thing as unlocked phones |
| 04:17.40 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, if they don't get their source out around release you'll know because I'll be screaming about it on every forum in the world :) |
| 04:18.07 | johnx | arquebus, it's a regulations thing |
| 04:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's not about the hardware |
| 04:18.21 | johnx | arquebus, FCC testing for a licensed band radio transmitter |
| 04:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | There are hundreds of regulatory agencies you have to comply with. |
| 04:18.38 | GeneralAntilles | Compliance costs time and money |
| 04:18.52 | johnx | and I get the feeling that GSM/HSPA chipsets aren't really that cheap |
| 04:19.09 | johnx | otherwise I think we'd see more 3rd party data cards |
| 04:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | It wouldn't sell for $350 with only 3000 units in the first run if it had a cellular modem, that's for sure. |
| 04:19.43 | johnx | also...I can totally imagine talking into the pandora |
| 04:20.02 | johnx | it'd be waaay better than the whole n-gage "side-talkin" thing |
| 04:22.33 | arquebus | johnx- its just the convenience of connecting to a celular network, Im thinking of buying a unlimited airtime contract, but I need a serious handset that can handle everything I want |
| 04:22.50 | arquebus | johnx- I would never talk into the thing |
| 04:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like you'll want to get an N900. |
| 04:23.07 | johnx | then what you want is a pandora+usb HSPA stick |
| 04:23.33 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, heh. hope I don't get kneecapped for selling on rival turf :) |
| 04:24.01 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine carting around a Pandora with a 3g dongle. |
| 04:24.05 | GeneralAntilles | That sounds like hell. |
| 04:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | Even if it has the juice to power it without relying on a powered hub. |
| 04:25.03 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it does have the juice, and it shouldn't be bad sticking out of the top |
| 04:25.12 | Luria | wait - a pandora discussion? |
| 04:25.18 | Luria | are they shipping yet? |
| 04:25.22 | Luria | (j/k) |
| 04:25.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know it has the juice. |
| 04:25.26 | johnx | I've been found out /me runs |
| 04:25.37 | arquebus | oh, I see the n900 is just another n810 with the slide out keyboard |
| 04:25.58 | GeneralAntilles | arquebus, the N900 isn't anything more than "OMAP3430, HSPA, HD camera" yet. |
| 04:26.08 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody claiming otherwise is spouting rumors. |
| 04:26.25 | johnx | nah, the n900 is the hypothetical device coming out sometime in the middle of next year that will have HSPA of some type |
| 04:27.10 | arquebus | all Nokia would have to do is make it a clamshell and I would buy it, but everyone is stuck on exposed screens now |
| 04:27.43 | Luria | um, that *does* sound like a pandora |
| 04:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | Clamshell sucks for walking around. |
| 04:28.28 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, how many have you walked around with? |
| 04:28.38 | johnx | to be honest I was worried about messing up my n800's screen, but it's been wedged in my pocket almost everyday for 1.5 years now |
| 04:28.54 | freelikegnu | as long as it fits in my shirt pocket I'm happy |
| 04:29.00 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, alternatively: you're doing it wrong :) |
| 04:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, are you seriously telling me that trying to two-hand finger a clamshell walking around is gonna work? |
| 04:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | With the case dangling in the air? |
| 04:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think so. |
| 04:29.15 | Luria | that sounds very dirty |
| 04:29.39 | lopz | night |
| 04:29.54 | Luria | i dont know what you meant by that, but if my pandora lets me do that, i might get arrested. |
| 04:30.10 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I seem to use the stylus more on my C1000 i guess. I think left hand holding the base and right hand poking the screen would be fine as long as the hinge is strong |
| 04:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I never use the stylus. |
| 04:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | Thumbs |
| 04:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | period. |
| 04:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | Clamshell doesn't work for that. |
| 04:30.41 | freelikegnu | I like that I can use the n800 mostly onehanded |
| 04:30.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, a lot of touchscreen actions will be obviated by using the thumbsticks for scrolling, etc |
| 04:31.14 | GeneralAntilles | I don't want that. |
| 04:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | I want a slab |
| 04:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | 'course, it'd be great if Nokia would ship both |
| 04:31.45 | GeneralAntilles | then everybody would be satisfied. |
| 04:31.57 | johnx | failing that it would be nice if most of the same software worked on both |
| 04:32.02 | johnx | hacks |
| 04:32.26 | GeneralAntilles | The tablet line is ready for some hardware choice. |
| 04:32.56 | johnx | opensourced maemo apps need to get ready to be on more than one device |
| 04:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps and I were discussing that the other day. |
| 04:33.33 | GeneralAntilles | One of the possible goals with osv-c should be to focus on portability. |
| 04:33.39 | johnx | UIs on mobile linux are such a fuster cluck |
| 04:33.44 | Luria | what's the interface on the pandora? |
| 04:33.57 | johnx | Luria, gmenu2x. just a basic launcher |
| 04:34.06 | johnx | pandora is a BYOC (bring your own code) type of deal |
| 04:34.12 | GeneralAntilles | They're shipping Ã
ngstrom now. |
| 04:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | E17, presumably. |
| 04:34.24 | johnx | yup, angstrom+kdrive+gmenu2x |
| 04:34.28 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 04:34.29 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, that would be a negative |
| 04:34.31 | Luria | nice, actually |
| 04:34.34 | mgedmin | why kdrive rather than xorg? |
| 04:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | Lighter |
| 04:34.48 | johnx | mgedmin, why ride a motorcycle when you can drive a tank?! |
| 04:34.49 | mgedmin | people on xorg@ claim it's no longer true |
| 04:34.58 | freelikegnu | johnx: I though Sugar might be a nice GUI for n8X |
| 04:35.07 | freelikegnu | n8xx |
| 04:35.08 | mgedmin | kdrive is unmaintained and maemo is switching to xorg in the next release |
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| 04:35.31 | johnx | I think the pandora guys are actually going to head that way too, but for now the drivers are ready for kdrive |
| 04:35.49 | johnx | and one X server is as good as another to me as long as it works |
| 04:36.08 | johnx | is soooo $%*&ing glad X11 is standardized |
| 04:36.21 | freelikegnu | hah |
| 04:36.45 | Luria | shame, i like enlightenment |
| 04:36.49 | freelikegnu | but yeah being as "standard" as it is is certainly impressive |
| 04:37.04 | johnx | Luria, compiling it should be really, really easy |
| 04:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hell |
| 04:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | it's already compiled. |
| 04:37.26 | johnx | well, that's true too :) |
| 04:37.51 | johnx | actually, I could spit out an up to the minute build now if anyone wants it :) |
| 04:38.06 | Luria | johnx, soon, soon |
| 04:38.31 | Luria | sigh, i need to rebuild this network |
| 04:39.05 | Luria | my crosscompiling machine was a recent casualty of reformatting |
| 04:39.41 | johnx | sadness. i run my cross compiles on other peoples' servers |
| 04:40.14 | Luria | actually, that xcompiler was set up for someone else's benefit |
| 04:40.31 | Luria | but i have all these odd machines to set up |
| 04:41.06 | Luria | in some way that makes sense |
| 04:41.56 | freelikegnu | I wonder if anyone uses their n800 as a router |
| 04:42.20 | Luria | for the bt/hdspa connection? |
| 04:42.21 | johnx | I'm pretty sure some people do |
| 04:42.23 | Luria | been done |
| 04:42.25 | freelikegnu | with a usb hub and usb ethnet adapters |
| 04:42.26 | johnx | it gets asked all the time |
| 04:42.31 | johnx | ahaha |
| 04:42.32 | freelikegnu | heh |
| 04:42.35 | johnx | that would be way better |
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| 04:42.52 | Luria | thats dumb, but sure |
| 04:44.17 | Luria | sigh, there should be a website where you could post a list of your accumulated hardware and people could suggest topologies and/or interesting things to do |
| 04:45.06 | johnx | don't look at me, I'm still working on a use for my zaurus 5500 |
| 04:45.10 | Luria | and someone just promised me a rs/6000 too |
| 04:45.16 | johnx | though rss ticker, weather applet seems like a good idea |
| 04:45.40 | Luria | after they heard i have a 1997 as/400 in the (ebay) mail |
| 04:46.06 | Luria | sigh, i see the remains of my 5600 over there |
| 04:46.20 | Luria | with a dead charging circuit |
| 04:46.41 | Luria | hmmm.... maybe ill try and fix it |
| 04:47.03 | johnx | I need a purpose for an O2...but other than that I try to stay in the embedded world. I have tons of stuff, but it's small stuff :) |
| 04:47.15 | Luria | an sgi o2? |
| 04:47.19 | johnx | yeah |
| 04:47.23 | freelikegnu | hah I have one sitting around too |
| 04:47.24 | freelikegnu | hehe |
| 04:47.35 | Luria | im still kicking myself for not buying one for $60 at defcon this year |
| 04:47.36 | freelikegnu | I thought about debian, but no acceleration |
| 04:47.41 | Luria | worse yet |
| 04:47.52 | freelikegnu | it has the video capture too |
| 04:47.58 | johnx | lucky |
| 04:48.05 | johnx | I have the audio capture only :/ |
| 04:48.11 | Luria | i have a sgi 1600sw here on my floor |
| 04:48.19 | freelikegnu | but cant use it with bsd |
| 04:48.27 | johnx | last time I tried linux X didn't work, and I (obviously) don't have an sgi support contract so I can't get a recent version of irix |
| 04:48.39 | Luria | cant or wont :-) |
| 04:49.06 | freelikegnu | does bsd have drivers for the vid pature and accelerated graphics? |
| 04:49.11 | johnx | can't justify selling everything I own to pay for a dying OS :P |
| 04:49.13 | freelikegnu | *capture |
| 04:52.09 | Luria | sigh, i need to go shop for a power supply for the cheapy 8 core machine i "accidentally" built last night |
| 04:52.42 | johnx | wow...the netbsd guys got graphics accel working for the o2 |
| 04:52.47 | johnx | falls out of his chair |
| 04:53.08 | Luria | good for them |
| 04:53.38 | Luria | i need to get netbsd on my qube |
| 04:53.51 | freelikegnu | whoa! |
| 04:53.54 | Luria | maybe on my sparc5 |
| 04:54.33 | Luria | though 1998 solaris has kitsch value... cde ftw |
| 04:56.48 | freelikegnu | wow support for lots of PCI devices including vid and sound cards ^^ |
| 04:58.31 | Luria | on netbsd/sgimips? |
| 04:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | bugs HAVA about getting HAVAPlayer into Extras or Tableteer. |
| 05:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | The Beagle pico projector is droolworthy. |
| 05:01.28 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, that would be pretty awesome |
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| 05:02.21 | Proteous | http://www.woot.com/ |
| 05:02.23 | RST38h | moo, all |
| 05:02.33 | Proteous | 4gb micro SD for 11.99 shipped |
| 05:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | Google Groups stripped the image |
| 05:02.47 | solmumaha | morning |
| 05:02.47 | RST38h | too small! |
| 05:02.51 | Proteous | heh |
| 05:03.49 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/beaglepico1.jpg http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/beaglepico2.jpg http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/beaglepico3.jpg |
| 05:04.30 | freelikegnu | http://my.opera.com/Macallan/blog/index.dml/tag/O2 |
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| 05:05.46 | Luria | i want one |
| 05:05.49 | freelikegnu | v.cool GeneralAntilles |
| 05:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | I need to duct tape one to my enviro-friendly-Beagle-case⢠http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835092325/ |
| 05:07.54 | Luria | ok, ill sound like an idiot, but what's deblet? |
| 05:08.06 | Luria | ah never mind |
| 05:08.16 | Luria | found the project page |
| 05:08.44 | freelikegnu | is there a better option than xvkbd as non-maemo kb |
| 05:09.20 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I keep looking at the beagle board and thinking how cool it would be to have have a laptop in a leather bound day-planner |
| 05:09.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 05:14.07 | RST38h | Luria: debian for tsblets |
| 05:14.18 | Luria | yeah i see that |
| 05:14.43 | Luria | looks promising |
| 05:14.43 | RST38h | Luria: Can't be called "debian" because debian people are morons |
| 05:15.38 | Luria | thats what i was wondering about... is there a debian /armel branch? |
| 05:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 05:17.34 | johnx | RST38h, for the record, the debian guys never said anything. mostly people getting cranky on their behalf :) |
| 05:18.13 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, then let us correct it: "because debian is surrounded by morons" |
| 05:18.44 | RST38h | [and I still do not understand WHY something like this would happen] |
| 05:18.46 | johnx | RST38h, "because everyone wants to tell you what color to paint the shed, but no one wants to help you paint." |
| 05:19.11 | johnx | RST38h, to keep people from forking debian for a commercial product, including a whole bunch of proprietary crud and calling it debian |
| 05:19.19 | johnx | RST38h, hence maemo not debian :) |
| 05:19.26 | mgedmin | hm... do I want 4 GB microSD cards? |
| 05:21.15 | mgedmin | why n810 didn't come with a microsd slot :( |
| 05:21.30 | bef0rd | microsd -> minisd adapter |
| 05:21.59 | mgedmin | yes, but that would work even better with a 16 GB microSD card, don't you think? |
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| 05:22.50 | RST38h | johnx: This only happens because you are not suggesting people to go screw themselves often enough =) |
| 05:22.56 | bef0rd | I'm doing it with a 8gb card :P http://beford.org/cosas/DSC01799.JPG |
| 05:23.21 | RST38h | mgedmin: get a 16GB card in 2-3 months |
| 05:23.31 | RST38h | will be in $40..$60 range at that time |
| 05:24.17 | RST38h | johnx: considering that deblet is by no measure a commercial product, this is what its mantainers should have done in the first place |
| 05:25.14 | johnx | RST38h, the thinking was: better a simple rename now then pain later. also deblet is more googleable than debian internet tablet nokia n800 |
| 05:26.01 | RST38h | heh =) |
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| 05:50.08 | cyrus__ | I am trying to install a program in scratchbox called pyxdg. The install programs trys to create a file in /scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/ |
| 05:50.25 | cyrus__ | but I get permission denied because I am not root. How do I get around this other than changing permissions on that directory |
| 05:51.02 | melmoth | run-standalone.sh fakeroot pyxdg |
| 05:51.19 | cyrus__ | k..let me try that |
| 05:52.49 | cyrus__ | melmoth - no. same thing. What does run-standalone.sh do |
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| 05:53.03 | melmoth | prepare your environment so dbus thingy works |
| 05:53.19 | melmoth | hey, pyxdg is a lib of some sort. |
| 05:53.38 | cyrus__ | yes, pyxdg is a python library |
| 05:54.06 | johnx | should it really be trying to install itself in that directory? Isn't there another python directory in sb as well? |
| 05:54.33 | melmoth | python lib should be compiled against python2.5 |
| 05:55.00 | melmoth | the defautl python comes with nothing. The python2.5 comes with hildon support as well as lots of other things |
| 05:55.30 | melmoth | now, you may want to check how/where it choose wich python to use. |
| 05:56.44 | qwerty12 | scratchbox's internal python is pretty crappy. but it's there because things like the scratchbox shell is python etc. Dunno why it tries to make you use it for compiling though |
| 05:56.52 | qwerty12 | well, "compiling" |
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| 06:27.06 | Mikho | would anybody know how to find out which package provides a certain file on my drive? |
| 06:27.15 | Mikho | on ubuntu/linux |
| 06:27.40 | johnx | dpkg -S /path/file |
| 06:27.40 | johnx | or just dpkg -S file |
| 06:27.58 | johnx | only works if it's installed, if it's not installed you should hit packages.ubuntu.com to find a package that provides that file |
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| 06:28.29 | Mikho | thanks for the speedy answer, got the result I wanted :) |
| 06:29.03 | johnx | sure, no problem |
| 06:29.35 | Mikho | nice, the pc file is gthread-2.0, the library name libgthread-2.0 and the package is libgthread-2.0-dev |
| 06:29.35 | johnx | this gives me an idea for a nautilus script... |
| 06:29.51 | Mikho | it's so confusing sometimes |
| 06:30.16 | johnx | in this case the naming is usually similar for everything |
| 06:30.28 | johnx | but sometimes .pc files pick weird names and confuse me too :/ |
| 06:31.27 | Mikho | no, it's actually libglib2.0-dev that provides the .pc file |
| 06:31.56 | johnx | well that makes sense: .pc files are only for compiling things, so they go in the -dev package |
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| 06:32.21 | Mikho | right |
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| 06:33.20 | johnx | oh, libglib. that is confusing :S |
| 06:33.30 | Mikho | sometimes the pc files have a "lib" suffix and sometimes they dont. Sometimes they have "-2.0" or something, and sometimes not |
| 06:34.37 | johnx | well ubuntu/debian force standard names on package. so even if I make a lib and call it foo, debian will rename it to libfoo.deb but if they change the name of the .pc configure scripts looking for foo.pc would break on debian...so |
| 06:35.13 | Mikho | I mean, "lib" prefix of course |
| 06:35.33 | Mikho | so the lib prefix is recommended practice |
| 06:35.59 | johnx | right, so random people writing software name the .pc whatever they want. and distros can't do anything about it :) |
| 06:36.41 | Mikho | and changing the .pc filename between versions is evil |
| 06:36.48 | johnx | definitely |
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| 06:43.36 | LiraNuna | what about symlinks? |
| 06:43.57 | LiraNuna | you can always add old symlinks for "compatibility" |
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| 07:04.24 | zhaozhou | Too many packages disagree with that standard. There are too many packages and too many packagers to keep track of everything. |
| 07:04.48 | zhaozhou | And ubuntu want to simplify everything aswell, so they make all these meta-packages, which just make everything more annoying. |
| 07:06.59 | ptman | what's the problem with meta-packages? |
| 07:10.07 | zhaozhou | Metapackages is not really an issue, but when there is many of them it get's annoying |
| 07:10.17 | zhaozhou | I wish they could use there tags a bit more |
| 07:10.37 | zhaozhou | right now you don't really know what a package might give you if you simply look at it's name |
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| 07:24.40 | pupnik810 | moo-mo :) |
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| 07:26.54 | solmumaha | morning pupnik810 |
| 07:26.58 | solmumaha | moved there? |
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| 07:33.56 | L0cutus | re |
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| 07:34.13 | L0cutus | is possible to have a swap file > 128mb ? |
| 07:34.32 | johnx | yes, of course. but you can't make it with the GUI |
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| 08:06.27 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: shadowwarrior is in extras-devel, but without level downloading |
| 08:06.57 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:07.28 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: ja2 licence is pretty problematic |
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| 08:21.32 | solmumaha | mikkov_: prevents from downloading/extracting them? |
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| 08:29.36 | johnx | ~lart hildon-fm for depending on private parts of the gtk+ API |
| 08:29.36 | infobot | makes a balloon animal out of hildon-fm for depending on private parts of the gtk+ API |
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| 08:44.39 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: ja2 source licence is not exactly what I would call open source |
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| 08:55.43 | Stskeeps | johnx: morn |
| 08:57.37 | lcuk | johnx, i thought gtk+ was open? |
| 08:57.54 | lcuk | but mmmnm i agree if its not |
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| 08:58.04 | Stskeeps | it is |
| 08:58.09 | lcuk | mornin folks o/ |
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| 08:58.25 | Stskeeps | but maemo gtk+ is interesting, it breaks quite a lot of stuff when it's not used under maemo |
| 08:58.48 | lcuk | ahhh :D its been microsfted |
| 08:58.52 | ntsourak | morning. I have a problem installing ESbox with eclipse. No targets appear. Can I compare my setting with somebody? |
| 08:59.03 | lcuk | damn, bbl |
| 08:59.10 | lcuk | cant get five minutes anymore |
| 08:59.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: crazy idea: shortcut library loading paths to point to a path where maemo gtk is laying, for maemo apps? |
| 08:59.16 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: It seems that fremantle will be more aligned with upstream. |
| 08:59.23 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i hope so |
| 08:59.33 | Stskeeps | johnx: like a maemo-launcher thing :P |
| 08:59.40 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: If I look at the commits, it looks like it. |
| 08:59.47 | johnx | Stskeeps, that almost seems reasonable |
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| 09:00.03 | Stskeeps | then we can coexist GTK apps |
| 09:00.11 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: maemo-launcher is just a 'cache' right? |
| 09:00.15 | johnx | lcuk, gtk is open, but it has some "volatile" internal APIs that change often and hildon-fm loves to use them |
| 09:00.32 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, but we might as well add some functionality since we don't want to break system GTK with maemo GTK |
| 09:00.47 | Stskeeps | and maemo apps get launched with it anyway |
| 09:00.53 | johnx | Stskeeps, most normal maemo apps would need to be hacked to work with normal GTK, right? |
| 09:00.58 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:01.04 | Stskeeps | well |
| 09:01.12 | Stskeeps | those who use nokia extensions |
| 09:01.25 | johnx | I wonder how prevalent that is among the open source apps |
| 09:01.26 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes they do that so they don't have to load gtk over and over again. It forks with gtk already loaded. |
| 09:01.44 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That is purely a performance thing. |
| 09:02.05 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, and i think it's a good idea - we're just trying to find a reasonable way to including maemo gtk on a non-maemo system |
| 09:02.35 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: iirc it supports plug-ins. |
| 09:02.45 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: So perhaps... |
| 09:03.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: but making a seperate lib path for gtk should be a trivial package patch |
| 09:03.24 | Stskeeps | (i guess) |
| 09:03.32 | johnx | yeah, since we would need to launch hildon apps with a script anyways |
| 09:03.36 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 09:03.44 | Stskeeps | well worth pondering |
| 09:03.50 | Stskeeps | god, i need coffee |
| 09:03.54 | johnx | heh |
| 09:04.09 | johnx | and I need to keep cleaning |
| 09:04.11 | johnx | back later |
| 09:04.14 | Stskeeps | cya |
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| 09:07.55 | RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/tips-for-new-paupers/#more-1455 |
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| 09:21.52 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:45.50 | RST38h | moo, lardman, pupnik |
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| 09:46.24 | Stskeeps | moo, RST38h |
| 09:47.05 | RST38h | ehlo, sts |
| 09:54.18 | pupnik810 | hi RST38h |
| 09:54.40 | pupnik810 | what is a nice midsize workhorse thinkpad |
| 09:54.50 | RST38h | AVOID. |
| 09:55.14 | pupnik810 | security issue? |
| 09:55.28 | RST38h | is writing this from a Lenovo T61 and it sucks moose balls |
| 09:55.35 | pupnik810 | :( |
| 09:55.52 | pupnik810 | what is bad? |
| 09:56.00 | RST38h | The original IBM models at least had the nice plastic and sturdy build |
| 09:56.09 | pupnik810 | yes i want that |
| 09:56.17 | RST38h | Ne Lenovo ones have "Made in China" all over 'em |
| 09:56.22 | RST38h | s/Ne/The/ |
| 09:56.25 | pupnik810 | :( |
| 09:56.51 | pupnik810 | my A30 is built ok |
| 09:57.23 | pupnik810 | except for a 1-pixel wide red line in the display |
| 09:57.36 | RST38h | And, also, it is thick, heavy, designed like a piece of Soviet machinery, comes with system software that acts up, has now got 16:9 screen (very uncomfortable unless you are watching movies), and the screen backlight (LEDs?) is somewhat bleak |
| 09:57.48 | pupnik810 | matybe T40,42,43 |
| 09:57.52 | pupnik810 | (P) |
| 09:58.08 | RST38h | T43 was probably the best, if you compare it with other ThinkPads |
| 09:58.14 | pupnik810 | WANT usb 2.0 |
| 09:58.25 | RST38h | Why not consider Toshiba R500 or R600? |
| 09:58.59 | pupnik810 | they have nipple mouse controller? (trackpoint) |
| 09:59.19 | pupnik810 | checking.. |
| 09:59.21 | RST38h | not really, they do not have the Masturbator (tm) |
| 09:59.32 | RST38h | But they do weight 2.4lb |
| 09:59.54 | Veggen | My Lenovo T61 sits firmly at my desk unless I really need it somewhere else. |
| 10:00.22 | pupnik810 | i don't need another life crisis (notebook w/o trackpoint) atm |
| 10:00.40 | RST38h | you can buy an external one :) |
| 10:00.42 | pupnik810 | but maybe somewhat smaller is goodder |
| 10:01.09 | Veggen | I'm getting used to the trackpad at my EEE 901. |
| 10:01.11 | RST38h | those things are going away sooner or later anyway, so better get used now |
| 10:01.34 | pupnik810 | gets a panicked look |
| 10:02.07 | solmumaha | pupnik810: new macbook looks nice ;) |
| 10:02.16 | pupnik810 | heyas sol |
| 10:02.23 | RST38h | btw, for real comfortable feeling you can get yourself a real external trackball - beats the masturbator |
| 10:03.11 | pupnik810 | maybe a business dell w tpoint |
| 10:03.26 | RST38h | Dells are heavy too |
| 10:03.42 | pupnik810 | and am i the only one here who hates this glare screen trend? |
| 10:03.47 | pupnik810 | hmm |
| 10:03.50 | RST38h | Why do you insist on the trackpoint so much? |
| 10:04.04 | johnx | trackpoint++ |
| 10:04.19 | pupnik810 | i can mouse and type from home position |
| 10:04.22 | johnx | 'cause it's better, and if you disagree you're wrong :P |
| 10:04.53 | RST38h | johnx: I have worn off half of my finger while using this abomination on Portege 720CT |
| 10:05.07 | johnx | you're doin' it wrong |
| 10:05.20 | pupnik810 | RST38h, |
| 10:05.25 | pupnik810 | !)"9 |
| 10:05.25 | RST38h | Not "are". "Have been". Not expecting a repeat, too |
| 10:05.37 | johnx | toughen up your fingers maybe? sandpaper works well |
| 10:05.38 | pupnik810 | also product liability - |
| 10:05.49 | solmumaha | or guitar playing |
| 10:06.03 | RST38h | johnx: Or screw a handle onto it, Atari style =) |
| 10:06.23 | solmumaha | pupnik810: when are you heading home? |
| 10:07.18 | pupnik810 | saturday |
| 10:07.58 | pupnik810 | getting rid of my power-munching desktops |
| 10:10.26 | pupnik810 | going to a used laptop shop to check out the thinkpads |
| 10:10.42 | RST38h | T43 is not so bad |
| 10:10.42 | solmumaha | check the macbooks too |
| 10:11.00 | RST38h | Apple products cause brain damage in people. AVOID. |
| 10:11.48 | solmumaha | RST38h: the damage is already done so they work for me |
| 10:12.05 | pupnik810 | best c2d lappy i saw was a dell so far |
| 10:12.10 | pupnik810 | heh |
| 10:12.15 | lcuk | apple products keep the doctor away |
| 10:12.17 | johnx | RST38h, you have to admit they have some interesting ideas |
| 10:12.27 | aquatix | lcuk: because he's too scared? |
| 10:13.13 | pupnik810 | i prefer to hang a severed goat's head on the front door |
| 10:14.15 | lcuk | cos norton wont install on macs :D (or does it ..) |
| 10:14.27 | aquatix | lcuk: i hope not |
| 10:14.35 | aquatix | but maybe in wine ;) |
| 10:15.47 | lcuk | mmmmm wine |
| 10:15.54 | aquatix | would like some |
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| 10:15.57 | aquatix | gotta work though :( |
| 10:16.16 | lcuk | virtual wine |
| 10:17.58 | Stskeeps | would enjoy getting completely hammered |
| 10:18.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw the first contributions from deblet to debian has started occouring? :) (0xffff in this instance |
| 10:19.08 | johnx | Stskeeps, awesome! |
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| 10:22.41 | napsy_ | Hello. I want to profile a program that I portet no N800. Is there a profiler for OS2008? |
| 10:22.47 | napsy_ | *ported |
| 10:24.30 | macoute_ | what do you mean by profiler? |
| 10:25.19 | Stskeeps | napsy_: oprofile.. but not sure if it actually works |
| 10:25.50 | napsy_ | ok |
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| 10:29.56 | suihkulokki | oprofile does work |
| 10:31.18 | Stskeeps | i had issues getting it working under deblet, no clue why |
| 10:31.25 | Stskeeps | didn't get any samples out |
| 10:31.44 | Stskeeps | (yes, i do have a nokia oprofile kernel |
| 10:33.06 | Mek | couldn't even get it to work in maemo, but I didn't try very long |
| 10:44.19 | RST38h | johnx: They do, indeed. But what happens to their recent converts can only be called disturbing. |
| 10:45.12 | johnx | RST38h, meh. you just never hear from *normal* mac users |
| 10:45.31 | RST38h | johnx: THAT is the disturbing part |
| 10:45.53 | johnx | heh...and they were never heard from again? |
| 10:46.14 | RST38h | johnx: They either do not exist or somethign happens to them |
| 10:46.17 | johnx | I think it's just that they're satisfied customers that don't really make a bother of themselves |
| 10:46.51 | RST38h | johnx: can hardly believe it - there will ALWAYS be a few unsatsified |
| 10:47.11 | johnx | definitely. and *those* are hunted down and brainwashed |
| 10:47.21 | RST38h | Eaten! |
| 10:47.26 | johnx | but really, if someone asks me "What kind of computer should I get?" I usually just tell them to get a Mac |
| 10:47.42 | RST38h | Fried in a aluminium desktop case and ritually eaten |
| 10:48.06 | RST38h | has managed to crash some poor Indian tech support guy once |
| 10:48.06 | aquatix | RST38h: with apple sauce! |
| 10:48.19 | aquatix | ah? |
| 10:48.31 | RST38h | Called Verizon about dead DSL, got routed to Bombay (or whatever), and there was the preprogrammed Indian guy |
| 10:49.28 | RST38h | Do you have Windows? -- No. -- Do you have a Mac? -- No. -- Do you have a Linux (with suspicion now)? -- No. -- <clicking, sounds of shuffled paper> What do you have then? |
| 10:49.53 | aquatix | :) |
| 10:49.59 | L0cutus | <johnx> yes, of course. but you can't make it with the GUI |
| 10:50.00 | RST38h | -- A DLink router. -- <his program terminates with a crash, I get transferred to the next tech support level> |
| 10:50.04 | L0cutus | any guide out there ? |
| 10:50.33 | aquatix | RST38h: ? |
| 10:50.47 | RST38h | ? |
| 10:50.56 | aquatix | RST38h: that's no OS, that's a router ;) |
| 10:51.15 | RST38h | aquatix: Yes, but I have been inquiring about DSL connection problems and it is the router that is connected |
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| 10:52.03 | johnx | L0cutus, uhm...good question |
| 10:52.32 | aquatix | RST38h: heh, k :) |
| 10:52.37 | L0cutus | i try to google first :) |
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| 10:52.44 | pupnik810 | anyone laid hands on a thinkpad "R"-series? |
| 10:52.53 | zhaozhou | johnx, Hmm, to increse the size of the swap you would have to increse the size of the partition, right? |
| 10:53.11 | johnx | zhaozhou, it's easier to just make a swap file instead of a swap partition |
| 10:53.48 | pupnik810 | some of the component choices make better sense - i dont think the nvidia quadros are really optimal for gaming |
| 10:53.58 | zhaozhou | johnx, can't say i've ever seen a swap file in linux, let alone debian. |
| 10:54.14 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, I have an r61 |
| 10:54.19 | johnx | dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc1/some.swap bs=1024 count=9600 ; mkswap /media/mmc1/some.swap ; swapon /media/mmc1/some.swap |
| 10:54.34 | johnx | change 9600 to some other value for a different size |
| 10:54.46 | zhaozhou | johnx, aaaah! |
| 10:54.49 | zhaozhou | johnx, way to simple. |
| 10:55.08 | pupnik810 | zhaozhou, interesting! can you say how it feels compared to older t-series? |
| 10:55.29 | pupnik810 | or make other pro/con comments? |
| 10:55.36 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, Shamely enought this is my first thinkpad |
| 10:55.54 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, But i can't say nothing else then i love it with all my heart |
| 10:55.57 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, it's wonderful |
| 10:56.07 | pupnik810 | :) |
| 10:56.21 | pupnik810 | what do you like about it? |
| 10:56.27 | L0cutus | johnx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6589&postcount=5 |
| 10:56.28 | L0cutus | :) |
| 10:56.30 | L0cutus | thanks |
| 10:57.18 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, It's as it was made for linux. IBM has lots and lots of tutorials about r-series is specific |
| 10:57.46 | johnx | L0cutus, that should work fine :) |
| 10:57.54 | pupnik810 | intel gma gpu? |
| 10:58.23 | pupnik810 | 950... |
| 10:58.30 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, Well. The processor is not really bad, actually performs way better then my 2 year old desktop. Graphic is OK, i can't play eve in linux since cedega does not support intel ): but i've been playing hl2 and team fortress 2 in windows |
| 10:58.35 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, actually its a x3100 |
| 10:58.50 | pupnik810 | oki |
| 10:58.58 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, but the best of all, imo, is the networkcard, wireless card and the HDAPI |
| 10:59.09 | pupnik810 | hdapi=? |
| 10:59.30 | pupnik810 | wifi performance good? |
| 10:59.38 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, network card support jumbo frames which are gigantic, i had to buy new PCI cards for all my desktops to perform as good. :-D |
| 10:59.53 | pupnik810 | nice |
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| 11:00.20 | pupnik810 | ponders |
| 11:00.51 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, Indeed! Quick as hell. My school have 40 or 50 APs around, this computer just switches between them as if they were nothing. My HP can't keep track of them, and the HP is using the 43xx which every vendor seems to love so much |
| 11:01.01 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, However, the hdaps... well, youtube it. ;-) |
| 11:01.42 | pupnik810 | oki |
| 11:01.43 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, It's an accelerometer which you can use as a joystick. Gotta love the different scripts you can get. |
| 11:01.58 | pupnik810 | hah |
| 11:02.32 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, I.e. smack the computer, and it switches song. :-D Tilt to change desktop, perhaps thiefprotection, or just play a game by tilting the laptop. |
| 11:02.38 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, I've had lots and lots of fun with that. |
| 11:02.49 | Stskeeps | and a computer just loves when you smack it |
| 11:02.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:03.28 | zhaozhou | haha |
| 11:03.49 | zhaozhou | Well, thinkpads are well known to be tough, as you probably know. |
| 11:04.21 | robtaylor | hey all, anyone know where I can find libnss-mdns for diablo? |
| 11:05.01 | pupnik810 | haha HDAPS on T60 controlling Beryl.. |
| 11:05.56 | pupnik810 | i am really eyeing this nice dell D830 for 499 euro |
| 11:06.47 | zhaozhou | specs? |
| 11:06.55 | pupnik810 | matte screen 16??x10?? and trackpoint |
| 11:07.16 | pupnik810 | 2007-2008 model |
| 11:07.56 | pupnik810 | T7300 Core2D i think |
| 11:08.15 | pupnik810 | 2gb ram 80GB HDD |
| 11:08.58 | pupnik810 | intel gma 950 gpu |
| 11:09.52 | pupnik810 | could get one with quadro nvs 140 |
| 11:10.46 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, what's the price difference between the r61 and the d830? |
| 11:11.06 | pupnik810 | dunno |
| 11:11.11 | pupnik810 | chkng |
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| 11:11.24 | wiza | I want new macbook |
| 11:11.55 | wiza | I wins, just make a script that creates webalizer.confs automatically to over 500+ hosts |
| 11:11.58 | zhaozhou | ugh, the new macbook, the aluminium one, it's so ugly. |
| 11:12.01 | wiza | s/make/made/ |
| 11:12.14 | wiza | nice bot |
| 11:12.24 | zhaozhou | whoa |
| 11:12.32 | zhaozhou | infobot++ |
| 11:12.47 | zhaozhou | Hmm... let me just tryes this out |
| 11:12.51 | zhaozhou | s:tryes:try: |
| 11:12.59 | zhaozhou | ): |
| 11:14.54 | pupnik810 | 300 euro |
| 11:15.16 | zhaozhou | is the r61 300 euro more? |
| 11:15.21 | pupnik810 | forward slash |
| 11:15.23 | zhaozhou | s/is/test/ |
| 11:15.25 | pupnik810 | yes sir |
| 11:15.27 | zhaozhou | s/test/is/ |
| 11:15.39 | zhaozhou | whoa |
| 11:15.57 | pupnik810 | is your nick registered? |
| 11:16.01 | zhaozhou | yes it is |
| 11:17.34 | pupnik810 | ah it doesnt store its substituted output in its input buffer |
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| 11:19.58 | zhaozhou | Are you the author of the bot? |
| 11:20.06 | zetheroo | what is the best GPS program for Maemo that is free |
| 11:20.08 | zetheroo | ? |
| 11:20.24 | zhaozhou | I'm using maemo mapper |
| 11:20.37 | zetheroo | does that work well? |
| 11:21.05 | zhaozhou | Indeed it does. The GPS device does not, it cant find me. But the application is sweet. |
| 11:21.33 | zetheroo | like I have seen how TomTom works and its pretty awesome |
| 11:21.43 | zetheroo | so you don't use it for GPS? |
| 11:21.52 | zhaozhou | WHat feature are you looking for? |
| 11:21.57 | zhaozhou | Nah, not really. |
| 11:22.13 | zhaozhou | Well, come to think of it, i'm going to try search for my location now. |
| 11:22.23 | zhaozhou | I'll start a search and lay the device by the window for awhile. |
| 11:23.41 | zetheroo | I tried installing maemo-mapper on my N810 a week ago and it did not want to install |
| 11:24.39 | zhaozhou | zetheroo, really? which OS do you have? |
| 11:24.50 | zetheroo | I flashed it to the right one |
| 11:25.08 | zetheroo | I was told here that there was a bug and that it was being fixed |
| 11:25.40 | zetheroo | I'll try it again now .. |
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| 11:31.06 | zetheroo | it installed |
| 11:31.20 | zetheroo | and says Searching for GPS Receiver ... |
| 11:32.07 | zhaozhou | mine is still in the window searching for satellites |
| 11:32.08 | bematic | zetheroo: is your gps working with satellite ? |
| 11:32.22 | zetheroo | what else would it work with? |
| 11:32.45 | bematic | i have the same problem |
| 11:33.11 | bematic | my n810 cannot fix satellites |
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| 11:33.32 | zetheroo | yeah ... mine takes forever |
| 11:33.33 | zetheroo | :( |
| 11:33.43 | zetheroo | and then looses the lock very easily |
| 11:33.44 | zhaozhou | Oh, i'm not the only one. |
| 11:33.47 | zhaozhou | I thought mine were defect. |
| 11:34.34 | pupnik810 | zhaozhou, how is the r61's fan noise? |
| 11:35.33 | MangoFusion | my n800 suddenly crashed and glowed blue. weird. |
| 11:35.52 | pupnik810 | it are belong |
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| 11:36.14 | zhaozhou | pupnik810, the only time i can hear the fan is when i hold my hand in front of the fan so no air is blowing out, and it has to be a very warm day, lots of compiling and gaming going on on the computer, and i hold my hand there for about 20 seconds |
| 11:36.23 | pupnik810 | nice |
| 11:36.36 | pupnik810 | looks real good actually |
| 11:36.54 | pupnik810 | ty for the info |
| 11:39.20 | zetheroo | what specs is your R61? (Thinkpad right?) |
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| 11:40.51 | zetheroo | seems like a whole lot of ppl are having problems with the N810 and GPS |
| 11:41.02 | zhaozhou | zetheroo, Hold on, i'll pastebin some output. |
| 11:41.17 | zetheroo | wish I knew this before I wasted my money on this thing :( |
| 11:43.03 | pupnik810 | that nv 140 would be frustrating |
| 11:43.09 | zetheroo | I think Nokia should do a recall once they sort this out ... |
| 11:43.19 | mavhc | you didn't check the internet before buying? |
| 11:43.25 | zetheroo | its useless as a GPS unit |
| 11:43.54 | pupnik810 | works for me usually |
| 11:44.03 | mavhc | not useless, depends where you mount it etc |
| 11:44.05 | zhaozhou | zetheroo, Ugh, seems ubuntu has'nt got wgetpaste in its sources. |
| 11:44.10 | X-Fade | zetheroo: did you install agps-ui? |
| 11:44.22 | zhaozhou | I got it to work once |
| 11:44.26 | zhaozhou | The GPS that is |
| 11:44.30 | mavhc | but it's not half as good as a real modern gps device |
| 11:44.38 | zhaozhou | But now it's been in the window for quite awhile, nothing found. |
| 11:44.49 | zetheroo | I did check online ... but I did not google things like "N810 GPS Problems" or "N810 GPS sucks" .... I thought a Nokia product was something you could trust ... and GPS is not exactly a brand new technology either .. |
| 11:44.50 | mavhc | sometimes it gets stuck |
| 11:45.12 | mavhc | have to kill the gpsd I think, can't recall |
| 11:45.27 | X-Fade | With agps things have improved a lot. |
| 11:45.48 | zetheroo | I installed agps ... but how is that usefull when your on the road? |
| 11:45.58 | mavhc | where's the agps last location file stored? |
| 11:46.12 | zetheroo | and actually it has not helped even when I am connected to the wireless network ... |
| 11:46.13 | X-Fade | zetheroo: use gsm data? |
| 11:46.23 | zhaozhou | agps? gpsd? |
| 11:46.26 | zetheroo | whats that? |
| 11:46.29 | mavhc | you only need to use agps if you've moved 200km since last using gps |
| 11:46.34 | zhaozhou | Have i been missing something? |
| 11:46.50 | zetheroo | ha |
| 11:46.52 | zetheroo | :) |
| 11:46.54 | zhaozhou | I thought for intance maemo mapper is using the device directly from /dev/somethinggps |
| 11:46.57 | zetheroo | look at this : http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ |
| 11:47.04 | zhaozhou | s/intance/instance/ |
| 11:47.08 | zhaozhou | i love you, infobot. |
| 11:47.09 | lardman | mavhc: time is also a factor |
| 11:47.22 | zhaozhou | s/love/LOVE/ |
| 11:47.42 | zetheroo | ha |
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| 11:49.37 | mavhc | that's so retarded |
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| 11:50.14 | zetheroo | what is? |
| 11:50.28 | mavhc | the s/ stuff, anyway, /var/lib/gsp/nvd_data |
| 11:50.31 | lardman | Jaffa: ping |
| 11:51.14 | mavhc | that's gps, not gsp |
| 11:51.51 | zetheroo | seems like there is a coding bug in the software ... is that right? |
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| 11:55.42 | mavhc | noone really knows, or if they do aren't telling |
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| 11:58.04 | zetheroo | how do you get Maemo-mapper to find the GPS hardware? |
| 11:58.08 | Jaffa | lardman: lunchtime pong |
| 11:58.34 | zhaozhou | I think my gpsdevice gave up |
| 11:58.48 | zhaozhou | now it just sais 'updated 35 days ago' |
| 12:00.14 | pupnik810 | hmm found an r61i for 499... |
| 12:01.09 | zetheroo | I have an R61 ... |
| 12:01.20 | zetheroo | :) |
| 12:01.34 | zetheroo | might be selling it though .. |
| 12:02.36 | lardman | Jaffa: I'm about to go grab some lunch too, was just going to ask if you're interested in pushing other app manager tweaks too; I'd also like to see error reporting implemented |
| 12:03.03 | Jaffa | lardman: your comment about not rebuilding the whole list for every single minor change reminded me how much that annoys me. |
| 12:03.20 | zetheroo | Core2Duo T9300 2.5 GHZ 6MB cache/3GB RAM/100GB 7200RPM HDD/DVD-DL-RW/15.4" high resolution LCD/Wifi/BT |
| 12:03.29 | Jaffa | Given the App Mgr is the gateway to the community for most users, seems we should give it some focus; I'm sure GeneralAntilles will agree :) |
| 12:03.31 | lardman | yeah, we should sit down and do some patching, assuming the code base will survive |
| 12:04.33 | Jaffa | yeah |
| 12:04.47 | Jaffa | could do it on Sunday, after rewiring and moving rooms in his house tomorrow |
| 12:05.11 | Jaffa | Demoting study to make way for Jr#1 so that Jr#2 can have the small room |
| 12:05.24 | Jaffa | Anyway, too nice to be inside - going for a wander. |
| 12:06.06 | lardman | ok, I might take a look at the code this arvo if I finish my other work |
| 12:07.32 | zetheroo | anyone know how to get maemo-mapper to see the gps hardware on an N810? |
| 12:07.46 | lardman | zetheroo: select bluetooth and no mac |
| 12:07.57 | zetheroo | bluetooth? |
| 12:08.01 | zetheroo | but its internal |
| 12:08.05 | lardman | I know |
| 12:08.16 | lardman | and make sure you've set it up correctly in the control panel applet too |
| 12:08.46 | zetheroo | setup? |
| 12:08.49 | zetheroo | what setup? |
| 12:08.58 | zetheroo | GPS setup ... or BT? |
| 12:09.26 | lardman | :) |
| 12:09.35 | lardman | gps setup, there should be a control panel item |
| 12:09.43 | lardman | make sure you select the internal GPs there |
| 12:09.56 | lardman | then, in maemo mapper, seelct the BT GP and leave out the mac |
| 12:10.03 | lardman | s/GP/GPS |
| 12:10.26 | lardman | does that make sense? |
| 12:10.35 | lardman | looks for his n810 to give the actual names |
| 12:11.13 | lardman | control panel > gps location for the first bit |
| 12:11.30 | zetheroo | yes I went there and enabled GPS |
| 12:12.04 | lardman | and in maemo-mapper, in the settings menu, on the first tab named "GPS" select bluetooth for the method and leave the MAC field blank |
| 12:12.42 | zetheroo | did that too .... maemo-mapper still says Searching for GPS reciever ... and now says Establishing GPS Fix |
| 12:12.53 | zetheroo | I am going outside to see if it works :) |
| 12:12.58 | lardman | fine, sounds like it's found it then |
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| 12:35.00 | zetheroo | I might be ready to except this device as a good GPS device |
| 12:35.02 | zetheroo | :) |
| 12:35.21 | zetheroo | I am in the house now and still fixed |
| 12:35.56 | zetheroo | how do I get all the GPS features working? ... |
| 12:36.06 | zetheroo | like ... I suppose I need maps!? |
| 12:37.06 | zetheroo | is there a way to download a particular route? |
| 12:37.09 | melmoth | i dont think you ll get a fix indoors |
| 12:37.19 | Jaffa | unwalks |
| 12:37.32 | melmoth | zetheroo: try clicking on the help button in maemo mapper it is rather well documented |
| 12:37.54 | zetheroo | I found it a bit drawn out ...:) |
| 12:38.18 | zetheroo | is there a way to download routes? |
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| 12:39.06 | lardman | heads for some lunch |
| 12:39.28 | melmoth | yes there is, but i do not remmeber exactly how, did it once or twice. You have to be connected to the internet for it to wokr |
| 12:39.51 | zetheroo | well I am ... its downloading maps automatically as I view them ... |
| 12:42.44 | mavhc | menu>route>download? |
| 12:43.01 | zetheroo | I tried that just now ... |
| 12:43.17 | zetheroo | but dunno about the options |
| 12:43.37 | zetheroo | I can't just get a GPS map of the country? |
| 12:44.31 | mavhc | it downloads bitmap tiles from googlemaps etc |
| 12:44.36 | zetheroo | and what about voices? |
| 12:44.47 | mavhc | there's also the incomplete openmap stuff, I assume that's vectory |
| 12:45.29 | mavhc | it uses flite if installed apparently |
| 12:45.46 | zetheroo | flite |
| 12:45.51 | zetheroo | from the repos? |
| 12:46.02 | mavhc | yes |
| 12:46.41 | zetheroo | so there are no maps in the repos for download ... I got to view everything I want downloaded ... |
| 12:47.15 | mavhc | well, you can tell it to get data for x tiles around a route |
| 12:47.28 | mavhc | or get data in a rectangle I think |
| 12:48.01 | zetheroo | so say I want to travel from city A to city B ... how would I get the maps for that? |
| 12:48.25 | mavhc | create a route first |
| 12:49.29 | zetheroo | flite is not in my repos |
| 12:50.04 | mavhc | oh, did you click download sample repositories in the maps menu? |
| 12:50.15 | zetheroo | yes |
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| 12:51.18 | mavhc | do you have the extras repo? |
| 12:51.34 | zetheroo | in Download Route what is the Auto-Update option for? |
| 12:51.37 | zetheroo | yes I do |
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| 12:53.40 | mavhc | don't know, mostly I use the built in map program |
| 12:54.03 | zetheroo | which you had to buy ... right? |
| 12:54.47 | mavhc | no, you have to pay for routing and turn by turn instructions |
| 12:55.15 | zetheroo | ok |
| 12:55.26 | zetheroo | well I need to get some voices working ... |
| 12:57.28 | lcuk | make a playlist with all the voice samples and rock out to such soothing tracks as "turn right in 50 metres" or that old classic "please turn around" |
| 12:58.32 | zetheroo | how do I install flite? |
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| 13:03.14 | zetheroo | is flite supposed to be in the repos? |
| 13:05.53 | melmoth | should be in the extras repo |
| 13:06.08 | zetheroo | hmm |
| 13:06.18 | melmoth | in the application manager, select the "extras repo", and then, if you dont see it, use "apt-get install flite" from a terminal as root |
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| 13:07.30 | zetheroo | how do I get into root? |
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| 13:08.24 | melmoth | there is more than one way to do this. Taht should be documented 'somewhere' in the wiki . I usually just install openssh to put my own password and be able to ssh as root |
| 13:08.46 | zetheroo | huh? |
| 13:08.56 | zetheroo | what about something like sudo ? |
| 13:09.19 | melmoth | well, you have to be able to edit the sudoer file first :) |
| 13:10.01 | zetheroo | hmmm |
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| 13:12.38 | mavhc | install the get root package |
| 13:13.04 | zetheroo | its called "get root"? |
| 13:13.12 | Stskeeps | or rootsh |
| 13:13.20 | mavhc | how can I tell why hildon-desktop has a load of 30% according to loadapp thingy? |
| 13:13.31 | mavhc | rootsh sounds right |
| 13:13.35 | Jaffa | ~root |
| 13:13.36 | infobot | methinks root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 13:13.42 | Jaffa | ~becomeroot |
| 13:13.43 | infobot | it has been said that becomeroot is on Maemo to get root run "sudo gainroot" or dig in maemo.org wiki for proper howto |
| 13:13.51 | Jaffa | Oh FFS |
| 13:14.26 | Jaffa | melmoth/zetheroo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 13:14.37 | Jaffa | infobot: becomeroot is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 13:14.37 | infobot | ...but becomeroot is already something else... |
| 13:14.43 | Jaffa | infobot: forget becomeroot |
| 13:14.44 | infobot | Jaffa: i forgot becomeroot |
| 13:15.36 | zhaozhou | Man, that bot is sweet. |
| 13:16.28 | zetheroo | ok I installed rootsh |
| 13:16.38 | zetheroo | now what? |
| 13:17.15 | Jaffa | What do you want to do? The wiki says that to get a root prompt, you can type `sudo gainroot' or `root' for short. |
| 13:17.29 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 13:18.34 | zetheroo | package flite has no installation candidate |
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| 13:19.27 | zetheroo | ? |
| 13:20.14 | Jaffa | zetheroo: flite presumably isn't in Extras. |
| 13:20.46 | zetheroo | ok... now what? |
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| 13:22.03 | melmoth | try a binary of another repo (it used to be there)...or recompile it for diablo if it s not working |
| 13:22.22 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:38.42 | lcuk | apt-get remove tooth: apt-get error,will not remove tooth |
| 13:39.34 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 13:39.52 | lcuk | hiya andy |
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| 13:55.50 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Thanks for the push on jalimo-info ;) |
| 13:56.46 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I wonder if we can use mudbuilder to create a proper 'source' package? |
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| 14:10.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: interesting question. Don't know :-/ |
| 14:10.20 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Plugin ;) |
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| 14:18.22 | penguinbait_214 | is maemo.org down again |
| 14:18.43 | X-Fade | penguinbait: No? |
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| 14:19.05 | penguinbait | it is for me |
| 14:19.14 | penguinbait | I can get everywhere but there? |
| 14:19.19 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps, johnx, which is the recommended nit-env ? |
| 14:19.27 | X-Fade | penguinbait: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 14:19.31 | X-Fade | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org |
| 14:21.17 | penguinbait | you can open maemo.org in a browser? and it loads? |
| 14:21.26 | X-Fade | penguinbait: Yes. |
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| 14:21.54 | penguinbait | I opened it in IE and it never opens, I fired up firefox and it loads |
| 14:21.59 | penguinbait | nvrming |
| 14:22.05 | penguinbait | nevermind |
| 14:22.29 | penguinbait | Are they boycotting windows or is it just me? |
| 14:23.20 | X-Fade | penguinbait: It really is just you. Loads fine in my IE6. |
| 14:23.32 | penguinbait | I am running IE7 |
| 14:23.43 | X-Fade | penguinbait: IE7 too. |
| 14:23.49 | penguinbait | oh well, firefox is working |
| 14:23.58 | penguinbait | weird |
| 14:24.12 | X-Fade | penguinbait: Spyware? :) |
| 14:24.26 | penguinbait | no thanks :) |
| 14:24.37 | penguinbait | was that an offer ? |
| 14:24.42 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: -lxde is the most developed |
| 14:25.00 | X-Fade | That is always my firts thought when a site doesn't work in IE. Hijacked browser;) |
| 14:26.12 | penguinbait | No hijackers here, more than likely some new vista feature to keep me from Linux related sites :) |
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| 14:44.08 | lopz | hi |
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| 15:07.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: bored? |
| 15:07.57 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Lol, yeah :) |
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| 15:08.25 | Stskeeps | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/dctrl-tools <- anything you feel like building? |
| 15:08.32 | Stskeeps | it's for debtree |
| 15:08.52 | Stskeeps | going to try to make a tool for people to realize what closed source things they depend on in their open apps |
| 15:09.16 | qwerty12 | You have a sbox don't you? (Though, I can put out an compile if you wish) |
| 15:09.24 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 15:09.27 | Stskeeps | no, i don't :P it broke constantly while building |
| 15:09.37 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 15:09.44 | Stskeeps | er, while dling i mean |
| 15:11.09 | Stskeeps | else i would have done it myself :P |
| 15:12.48 | qwerty12 | I just kicked my stylus and have no idea where it went :P |
| 15:12.51 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/dctrl-tools_2.13.0_armel.deb |
| 15:13.00 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 15:13.11 | Stskeeps | i've lost a stylus somewhere in my gfs car i thin |
| 15:13.12 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:15.27 | qwerty12 | hehe, I lost one in Slough so if anyone needs a new stylus and is hating nokia for not providing an easy way to get one... |
| 15:16.58 | slonopotamus | tie it to tablet with a rope |
| 15:17.41 | X-Fade | qwerty12: It seems some shops sell them: http://www.mobilesupplies.nl/nokia-n810-stylus-3pcs-p-7409.html |
| 15:18.14 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Cool. I wonder if they sell N800 ones :) |
| 15:18.29 | qwerty12 | http://www.mobilesupplies.nl/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-stylus-p-7386.html |
| 15:19.01 | X-Fade | A bit expensive, but still ;) |
| 15:20.08 | slonopotamus | ondemand governor rocks? |
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| 15:20.41 | RST38h | Ah, they sell n810 styluses! (stylii?) |
| 15:22.06 | slonopotamus | http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/main/deblet-boot-basics/etc/init.d/boot-basics |
| 15:22.16 | slonopotamus | what the hell is that magic? |
| 15:22.33 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: similar stuff maemo does |
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| 15:23.01 | Stskeeps | the last part is to avoid udev fuckiness. for some reason udev locks the mmc block devices |
| 15:23.06 | Stskeeps | so fsck can't happen |
| 15:23.28 | slonopotamus | why you don't want fsck? |
| 15:24.05 | Stskeeps | i do want it, which is why it's in boot-basics, as past udev where normal fsck happens, it fails horridly |
| 15:24.09 | Stskeeps | it's a really weird bug |
| 15:24.30 | Stskeeps | basically after udev runs, fsck can't access the block device exclusively |
| 15:24.55 | Stskeeps | to fix any errors |
| 15:25.20 | slonopotamus | oh. misread. |
| 15:25.29 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: the _LINUXRC stuff is because there's people who doesn't use my bootmenu patches supporting linuxrc :P |
| 15:25.38 | Stskeeps | and hence the environment is .. abnormal |
| 15:25.40 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, and where is display initializaton? |
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| 15:26.08 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: omap-fb-console and omap-fb-tools |
| 15:26.34 | Stskeeps | (boottype stuff in omap-fb-console is because of our rescue menu thing) |
| 15:28.17 | slonopotamus | thx, exploring |
| 15:28.17 | slonopotamus | and kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon? |
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| 15:29.49 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: modules built for the diablo kernel containing framebuffer modules |
| 15:29.54 | Stskeeps | just extract the from the deb |
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| 15:32.38 | slonopotamus | # ugly hacks follow |
| 15:32.39 | slonopotamus | ;) |
| 15:32.39 | slonopotamus | who writes /tmp/.bootmode? |
| 15:32.49 | slonopotamus | ahha, ahha... i have to confiscate your svn ;) many useful tricks are there |
| 15:33.41 | slonopotamus | kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon is a very smart packagge ;) |
| 15:33.53 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: deblet-rescue-menu |
| 15:34.16 | Stskeeps | ( see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE ) |
| 15:34.20 | slonopotamus | isn't that module available in initfs? |
| 15:34.41 | Stskeeps | which? |
| 15:34.47 | Stskeeps | fbcon? no, not afai |
| 15:34.48 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:34.53 | slonopotamus | no. |
| 15:35.17 | slonopotamus | can't watch now, i'm on gprs |
| 15:35.20 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: |
| 15:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh |
| 15:35.40 | infobot | it has been said that rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 15:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | ~root-access |
| 15:35.42 | infobot | hmm... root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 15:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|gone, Jaffa: Hell yes at patching h-a-m! . . . and "finally!" ;) |
| 15:36.21 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Fennec alpha has been released. Can you ping them again? |
| 15:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | There's a bug |
| 15:36.37 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And they only provide a chinook version.. blergh ;) |
| 15:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | I can only assume they're working on it. |
| 15:37.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'll harass dougt whenever he pops in. |
| 15:37.10 | mfinkle | X-Fade: we test on diablo as well |
| 15:37.44 | X-Fade | mfinkle: We try to get you guys to upload to extras(-devel) ;) |
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| 15:38.28 | mfinkle | X-Fade: I think we're waiting until we get closer to beta |
| 15:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457307 |
| 15:38.58 | GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel is perfect for alpha releases. |
| 15:39.13 | slonopotamus | strange, strange... |
| 15:39.36 | X-Fade | mfinkle: I guess it won't build on the first go, so we might need some time to get things working ;) |
| 15:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, thanks for the PuTTY write up! |
| 15:39.54 | X-Fade | mfinkle: So the sooner, the better.. |
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| 15:40.03 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: how's it going with base compilation? |
| 15:41.14 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, troubles with python, didn't solve yet. not going to crosscompile perl, will build natively after booting |
| 15:41.49 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 15:41.59 | Stskeeps | python isn't very crosscompile-friendly |
| 15:42.54 | slonopotamus | yep. but no python = no portage |
| 15:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | bangs head on desk at people adding random shit to the wiki because they broke their install in some convoluted way. |
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| 15:43.31 | Stskeeps | "Red Pill as a way of life" articles, or? |
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| 15:43.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:43.45 | GeneralAntilles | Some oddness somebody just added to |
| 15:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 15:43.47 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:43.53 | slonopotamus | ;) |
| 15:44.02 | GeneralAntilles | hates having to clean this shit up. |
| 15:44.41 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, deblet-omap-fb-splash - funky boot image? |
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| 15:46.19 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: No problems :). I think it may need some cleaning but I'm a wiki noob :) |
| 15:46.43 | qwerty12 | That will be my excuse :P |
| 15:47.30 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: that change to ~flashing came about from a thread I spotted on ITT earlier |
| 15:47.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know. |
| 15:47.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24205&page=5 |
| 15:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to set him straight? |
| 15:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of trying. |
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| 15:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | If you've got packages that conflict with osv, and you try to reinstall osv with apt-get, it'll tell you which packages need to be downgraded/removed, right? |
| 15:52.20 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: funky splash cos console is boring |
| 15:52.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:52.28 | Stskeeps | also it gives a better reflection of time passed |
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| 15:53.05 | qwerty12 | keeps console enabled on my computer. It reminds me that I'm booting into Linux, not windows :P |
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| 15:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | Does emjayes' rotation still conflict with osv? |
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| 15:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-wave-of-mozilla-coming-fennec.html should probably specify that the Mac version is only for x86. . . . |
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| 16:06.51 | slono | slonopotamus, bye |
| 16:07.10 | qwerty12 | qwerty12: qwerty12 hi |
| 16:08.45 | slono | slonopotamus, disconnect! |
| 16:08.55 | slono | :( |
| 16:11.10 | slono | wheee |
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| 16:14.54 | slonopotamus | http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/main/xsession-gtkstylus/Makefile |
| 16:15.03 | Stskeeps | semi-stupid package |
| 16:15.13 | slonopotamus | why not just mkdir -p ${DESTDIR}/./etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 16:15.14 | slonopotamus | ? |
| 16:15.20 | Stskeeps | because i wrote it using a half-baked shell script |
| 16:15.31 | Stskeeps | i did 60+ raw debian packages to real buildable packages |
| 16:15.36 | Stskeeps | i wasn't going to do it in hand |
| 16:15.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:15.55 | slonopotamus | ;) |
| 16:15.59 | slonopotamus | cheater |
| 16:16.12 | Stskeeps | computer scientist |
| 16:16.20 | Stskeeps | do it three times, and then write a tool for it |
| 16:16.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:17.29 | slonopotamus | so... how many tools you wrote? ;) |
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| 16:18.02 | slonopotamus | you can't write fourth ;) |
| 16:18.13 | mikhailz | Robot101: ping |
| 16:18.24 | Stskeeps | i have a bunch of silly tools laying about |
| 16:18.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:18.34 | Robot101 | mikhailz: hey, it's whodat who was having problems, but I just suggested extra-auth-{user,password} to him in /msg |
| 16:18.45 | mikhailz | right |
| 16:19.41 | mikhailz | whodat: I think extra-auth-password still maps to that password field in the advanced account settings for SIP |
| 16:22.07 | mikhailz | but the whole concept of passing auth credentials in CM parameters is bonghits |
| 16:25.00 | Robot101 | mikhailz: agreed |
| 16:29.10 | cyrus__ | anyone know of a partition program for maemo |
| 16:29.16 | Stskeeps | cfdisk :P |
| 16:29.44 | qwerty12 | sfdisk *grin* |
| 16:29.52 | cyrus__ | Stskeeps - I looked for that..and sfdisk, can't find a package to install |
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| 16:33.54 | pupnik810 | hi! |
| 16:34.15 | qwerty12 | Hrm, would cfdisk have value being in extras? |
| 16:34.21 | qwerty12 | hi pupnik |
| 16:34.23 | summatusmentis | yes! |
| 16:34.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, probably, but it's a bitch compili' |
| 16:35.11 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I've done it before :) |
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| 16:36.14 | pupnik810 | hi qwerty12 |
| 16:36.30 | pupnik810 | the ibm x300 looks nice |
| 16:36.55 | summatusmentis | lappy? |
| 16:37.50 | summatusmentis | thinkpads aren't technically ibm, that's why I ask :) |
| 16:38.37 | cyrus__ | qwerty12 - where can I find cfdisk? A search on google hasn't turned up anything |
| 16:39.29 | qwerty12 | cyrus__: stskeeps has a deb somewhere. If not, I have a deb somewhere... |
| 16:39.53 | cyrus__ | can you point me to a link please and thank you |
| 16:40.19 | qwerty12 | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/export/201/dependancies/cfdisk.deb |
| 16:40.25 | cyrus__ | ty |
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| 16:46.58 | Guest8922_197 | hi |
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| 16:48.04 | adrenal_245 | hi all |
| 16:48.20 | adrenal_245 | so i've been an XP user forever |
| 16:48.24 | adrenal_245 | and just got this tablet |
| 16:48.32 | adrenal_245 | don't know much about linux |
| 16:48.35 | Stskeeps | no, you can't run windows mobile on it ;p |
| 16:48.50 | adrenal_245 | but i've been trying to install KDE |
| 16:49.04 | adrenal_245 | don't want XP on it, lol |
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| 16:49.58 | adrenal_809 | seems to be more than one way to install |
| 16:50.12 | Stskeeps | yup, penguinbait's KDE, deblet, debian chroot |
| 16:50.28 | adrenal_809 | so, for a complete noob, a lot of this stff is greek |
| 16:50.44 | adrenal_809 | i was wanting to try KDE out |
| 16:50.52 | adrenal_809 | but keep maemo the way it is |
| 16:51.02 | adrenal_809 | i have a 4 GB card |
| 16:51.09 | adrenal_809 | and the N810 |
| 16:51.14 | Stskeeps | well, you can always reflash maemo back |
| 16:51.23 | Stskeeps | when you've messed it up with penguinbait's KDE |
| 16:51.49 | lardman | might be best to dual boot a normal pc to get the hang on kde |
| 16:51.54 | adrenal_809 | and just a backup to restore it? |
| 16:51.55 | lardman | s/on/of |
| 16:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't understand how anybody can use KDE on the tablets. |
| 16:52.17 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: agreed |
| 16:52.18 | woglinde | generalantilles me either |
| 16:52.20 | adrenal_809 | thought about doing the duel boot with my old lappy |
| 16:52.42 | adrenal_809 | is KDE not good for the tablet, then? |
| 16:52.51 | lardman | no |
| 16:52.55 | adrenal_809 | oh |
| 16:53.05 | summatusmentis | it's... usable, with the stylus |
| 16:53.06 | lardman | it's resource intensive, designed for PCs |
| 16:53.13 | summatusmentis | prefers fingers |
| 16:53.21 | lardman | designed for larger screens for the most part, etc. |
| 16:53.23 | adrenal_809 | so, like anybody that gets a new toy, i'm trying to see what it can do |
| 16:53.32 | adrenal_809 | oh, ok |
| 16:53.35 | qwerty12 | likes a desktop environment that doesn't drive watchdog crazy :) |
| 16:53.53 | zap | I have seen one guy using KDE4 on his UMC |
| 16:54.11 | zap | looks fine, esp. counting that he managed to get 3D running in Ubuntu (via 3D accelerator) |
| 16:54.57 | adrenal_809 | so do most people just use maemo on the tablet? |
| 16:55.25 | zap | maemo is great |
| 16:55.43 | zap | conventional desktops aren't designed for such small screens |
| 16:56.02 | zap | the concept of overlapping windows is horrible |
| 16:56.07 | lardman | adrenal_809: yes, but don't let that disuade you from testing other things; however get a feel for KDE on a desktop machine first so you can see if you want to try it |
| 16:56.23 | adrenal_809 | i see |
| 16:56.29 | lardman | adrenal_809: you could get one of those CDs which boots to Linux, what are they called? |
| 16:56.36 | qwerty12 | live cd |
| 16:56.50 | lardman | thanks qwerty12, been a long week |
| 16:57.01 | adrenal_809 | i was thinking of puttin ubuntu on my old lappy |
| 16:57.04 | lcuk | evening lardman \o |
| 16:57.04 | qwerty12 | knoppix, the kubuntu install cd afaik can run in a live cd |
| 16:57.12 | lcuk | whos on jaiku |
| 16:57.14 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 16:57.19 | qwerty12 | lardman: heh, for me, it's been fast :) |
| 16:57.24 | aquatix | installs liqbase 0.0.8 |
| 16:57.29 | lcuk | \o/ |
| 16:57.43 | lardman | qwerty12: for me long and busy (but productive), brain is tired now |
| 16:57.47 | aquatix | for a cup of awesomeness :) |
| 16:58.02 | lcuk | 0.0.9 should include bugfixes, 0.1 *should* include the icons |
| 16:58.08 | lcuk | and be in extras |
| 16:58.08 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 16:58.12 | aquatix | nice |
| 16:58.21 | aquatix | so it'll even be automagically updated? |
| 16:58.24 | qwerty12 | lardman: I'll pretend to say the same about my week... :P :) |
| 16:58.41 | lcuk | aquatix, give it a chance, its gotta go through devel and promotion |
| 16:58.46 | lcuk | i dont even know how to use pgp yet |
| 16:58.48 | aquatix | lcuk: great :) |
| 16:58.50 | qwerty12 | sees how parted runs on the tablet |
| 16:59.19 | lcuk | might change the license to "shout it from the rooftops if its good" |
| 16:59.33 | lcuk | ooops, mashin potatoes, brb |
| 16:59.50 | aquatix | should get some supper too |
| 17:00.31 | adrenal_809 | well, thanks for the info on KDE. i'm not going to dork around with trying to put it on m n810 |
| 17:01.22 | adrenal_809 | thanks all |
| 17:01.23 | adrenal_809 | bye |
| 17:02.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: command line is okay, gparted not so much |
| 17:03.00 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah, just tried parted on my elcheapo 1gb, worked nicely |
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| 17:06.03 | Stskeeps | commits more sane wifi powersave |
| 17:06.18 | Stskeeps | based on when the wifi is connected or not, using dbus |
| 17:06.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:34.10 | lcuk | tosses a coin, heads i code, tails i lounge around, get drunk, then code. |
| 17:35.45 | qwerty12 | now knows how screen corruption bug creeped in... :P |
| 17:36.08 | lcuk | heh, thats not a bug of my doing though |
| 17:36.15 | lcuk | N1 does not experience it |
| 17:36.21 | lcuk | i have no way of reproducing on it |
| 17:36.43 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm in. i have beer |
| 17:36.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:36.44 | lcuk | but on N2 i get it like you after a reboot |
| 17:37.38 | lcuk | excellent Stskeeps |
| 17:37.38 | qwerty12 | Heh, I'm not so bothered about the screen corruption :). I can only get it to show once and the loading times are so fast, it's no bother for me to quit and load it again |
| 17:37.38 | lcuk | exactly - its how applications should be |
| 17:37.38 | Stskeeps | ponders how he could shoehorn suspend to ram into deblet |
| 17:37.54 | lcuk | thats why i never bothered to hildonize it - the ONLY time it was ever an issue was if you had drawn a mona lisa type sketch and the screen blanked |
| 17:38.07 | qwerty12 | grr, how can uuid-dev NOT be in the chinook sdk repo |
| 17:38.35 | woglinde | chinook is old |
| 17:38.55 | lcuk | its not *that* old though, its still os2008 |
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| 17:39.15 | qwerty12 | I know, I use diablo here. But I'm sending parted to the autobuilder. I think it makes sense if people using a cloned os or something can use parted in chinook or diablo |
| 17:39.48 | woglinde | *g* |
| 17:39.50 | woglinde | okay |
| 17:40.41 | lcuk | can't stop smiling at maemo.org |
| 17:41.04 | woglinde | lcuk hm why? |
| 17:41.10 | lcuk | go and see :) |
| 17:41.16 | woglinde | it's so fast now? |
| 17:41.36 | woglinde | liqbase? |
| 17:41.37 | lcuk | its not the speed, its the content |
| 17:41.39 | lcuk | yeah |
| 17:41.50 | woglinde | ah right |
| 17:41.57 | woglinde | there is your name |
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| 17:42.26 | Stskeeps | what on -earth- is /sys/devices/platform/dsp/state? |
| 17:42.36 | pupnik810 | maybe the best thing about .nl is all the opem wlans |
| 17:42.51 | woglinde | lcuk ah this cool app |
| 17:42.56 | woglinde | I saw it before |
| 17:43.11 | lcuk | but its installable now :) |
| 17:43.14 | woglinde | but only the text stuff |
| 17:43.33 | lcuk | no, everything is there - more than the old original video shows |
| 17:44.02 | pupnik810 | i dreamt about a fast psx emu last night :/ |
| 17:44.11 | lcuk | sketching graffiti camera maps physics books stars all wrapped up in a touch friendly ui with nice fast kinetics and stuff :) |
| 17:44.42 | lcuk | lol pupnik810 ive still got your screen resolutions in there |
| 17:44.48 | lcuk | where are you now |
| 17:45.18 | woglinde | lcuk hm did you use any widget/grafic libraries like qt or gtk? |
| 17:45.28 | pupnik810 | in a carribean bar ;) |
| 17:45.37 | lcuk | pupnik810, still in amsterdam? |
| 17:46.05 | lcuk | woglinde, no - its all hand crafted to run smoothly and show the n8x0 in its best light :) |
| 17:46.21 | woglinde | lcuk all in assembler then? |
| 17:46.27 | lcuk | heh, not quite - its c |
| 17:46.33 | woglinde | *g* okay |
| 17:46.37 | Stskeeps | zap: google tells me you know something about /sys/devices/platform/dsp/state? |
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| 17:46.45 | lcuk | though im not afraid of arm asm :) its like 68k so i feel at home |
| 17:47.02 | pupnik810 | yeah |
| 17:47.07 | pupnik810 | cool |
| 17:47.27 | lcuk | heh pupnik810 then i know the kind of bar you are in :D |
| 17:47.36 | lcuk | but i cant see you cos its cloudy |
| 17:48.07 | qwerty12 | now knows I am destined to go to Amsterdam |
| 17:48.11 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:48.12 | woglinde | lcuk are the source available? |
| 17:48.15 | Stskeeps | red light district, qwerty12? |
| 17:48.25 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yer, but to get high |
| 17:48.38 | lcuk | qwerty12, when i went to leeenuxtag i was stuck in amsterdam airport for 2 hours - i had face pressed against window drooling |
| 17:48.55 | pupnik810 | if you like biking, do a few days on bike |
| 17:49.04 | lcuk | woglinde, in the maemo garage :) l |
| 17:49.07 | qwerty12 | lcuk: lol |
| 17:49.11 | woglinde | lcuk okay thanks |
| 17:49.24 | lcuk | project name: liqbase |
| 17:49.28 | lcuk | project coolness: high |
| 17:49.59 | qwerty12 | WOAH. My exaggeration meter just blew up |
| 17:50.01 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 17:50.01 | pupnik810 | is not convinced :0 |
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| 17:50.36 | lcuk | :O pupnik, you above all others should know how far ive come with this |
| 17:52.12 | woglinde | lcuk hm uh I wonder why you checked in the debian generated files too |
| 17:52.20 | lcuk | which? |
| 17:52.35 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.37 | pupnik810 | no i have been avoiding liqbase, dunno what's good about it. |
| 17:53.14 | pupnik810 | but i will read soon when you have nice webpage :) |
| 17:54.18 | lcuk | woglinde, does it matter? but its accidental anyway - ive never used svn or anything |
| 17:54.27 | lcuk | liqbase.net |
| 17:54.32 | lcuk | its nice enough and gives features |
| 17:54.52 | pupnik810 | the n810 is the best thing next to a camera to pocket while bikihng |
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| 17:55.13 | pupnik810 | but in germany it nsux cause no open wlans |
| 17:55.27 | woglinde | lcuk its not this bad |
| 17:55.51 | woglinde | okay I have to go |
| 17:55.52 | woglinde | bye |
| 17:55.54 | lcuk | cya |
| 17:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | What? |
| 17:58.17 | GeneralAntilles | Still unstyled? |
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| 17:59.01 | pupnik810 | ? |
| 17:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | liqbase.net |
| 17:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk's not using the pretty design I put together for him. :( |
| 18:00.51 | lcuk | i only just got copy a couple of days ago GeneralAntilles :'( |
| 18:00.55 | lcuk | ill rectify right away |
| 18:01.11 | lcuk | bows down before lord general emporer antilles and begs mercy |
| 18:01.18 | pupnik810 | heh |
| 18:01.26 | GeneralAntilles | Kiss the ring! |
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| 18:01.32 | lcuk | wipe your ass first |
| 18:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | Nasty bastard. . . . |
| 18:01.53 | pupnik810 | i must bike ... darkness falls |
| 18:01.57 | lcuk | can hear the collective groan around the world |
| 18:02.06 | pupnik810 | wish y'all a spiffy evening... |
| 18:02.06 | lcuk | k pupnik810 have fun |
| 18:02.14 | pupnik810 | :) |
| 18:02.29 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik810, have a good journey :) |
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| 18:02.39 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, a grin here :p |
| 18:02.41 | GeneralAntilles | Bye, pupnik810. |
| 18:02.41 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, now ive got a few sections it makes sense to do it |
| 18:02.51 | lcuk | ie actual content |
| 18:03.06 | lcuk | before yesterday it just had a youtube link and a .deb link |
| 18:05.04 | AStorm | ok guys |
| 18:05.14 | AStorm | do you have some nice planning app, like GNOME's planner? |
| 18:05.21 | AStorm | but w/o GNOME :) |
| 18:05.29 | lardman | Stskeeps: dsp state? |
| 18:05.43 | lardman | Stskeeps: says "run" when the dsp is running |
| 18:06.29 | Stskeeps | lardman: mmk, says "0" for me and i've seen multimedia echo 2 to it as well |
| 18:06.49 | lardman | hmm |
| 18:07.27 | lardman | I'd guess a powersaving state, but I don't know |
| 18:07.45 | Stskeeps | i'm just curious cos i'm trying to find sources of power consumption, - and ways to detect if dsp is running so we can do safe suspend to ram :P |
| 18:08.05 | lardman | Stskeeps: it will be in the kernel source though |
| 18:08.11 | Stskeeps | mm, should look i guess |
| 18:08.23 | AStorm | need, <P>IM, quick! |
| 18:08.24 | lardman | yeah, or remind me later on and I'll take a look for you |
| 18:08.32 | AStorm | working one |
| 18:08.47 | AStorm | where P doesn't mean personal |
| 18:08.57 | AStorm | and certainly does mean easy to sync |
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| 18:11.56 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, clearly these questions can only be answered by you. :P http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=234348 |
| 18:14.00 | Stskeeps | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330884 <- and you thought maemo bugzilla bugs were bad |
| 18:15.09 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: .. i need a PR guy |
| 18:15.20 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ever seen 472370 on the gnome bugzilla? |
| 18:15.54 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 18:16.47 | qwerty12_N800 | the gnome wankers removed but it was about this guy reporting a crash with porn movies with some really fucked up names |
| 18:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently deleted. |
| 18:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 18:19.04 | GeneralAntilles | is out of mayonnaise. :( |
| 18:19.24 | lcuk | i hope you have a backup supply of baconnaise though |
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| 18:20.51 | GeneralAntilles | Out of bacon, too. :( |
| 18:21.17 | Stskeeps | was planning to make burgers but seemingily had moldy bread |
| 18:21.18 | Stskeeps | :( |
| 18:21.19 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: No BLT? :) |
| 18:21.20 | lcuk | :( tis a sad sad day indeed |
| 18:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that's the worst! |
| 18:21.37 | lcuk | i made burgers last night |
| 18:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | Fresh bread is so much better, but it just doesn't last. |
| 18:22.12 | lcuk | hiya X-Fade :P you never answered about the multitouch thing |
| 18:22.40 | X-Fade | lcuk: Well, no you know how it goes. Got distracted. |
| 18:22.49 | X-Fade | lcuk: But did read your new website :) |
| 18:22.58 | lcuk | yeah i know that one, ohlook a butterfly |
| 18:23.09 | lcuk | \o/ |
| 18:23.10 | X-Fade | lcuk: And I think you get the idea :) |
| 18:23.47 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: bless you for the comment on tools repository |
| 18:24.15 | GeneralAntilles | I'd actually like to see some more of the stuff from the SDK repo moved into Extras |
| 18:24.19 | GeneralAntilles | build-essentials etc |
| 18:24.21 | lcuk | should be in extras-devel soon :) |
| 18:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe they could just remove coreutils from the SDK repo so it doesn't nuke the tablet. |
| 18:24.42 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: stable/unstable (extras, extras-devel) would be so much better :P |
| 18:24.45 | Stskeeps | like debian |
| 18:25.06 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Juha is kaltsi here, I think ;) |
| 18:25.06 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, scratchbox uses coreutills :/ |
| 18:25.19 | Sargun_Screen | hi |
| 18:25.31 | X-Fade | But then again, there are a lot of Juhas in Finland. |
| 18:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 18:25.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: could always Provides: coreutils for busybox.. but dunnio |
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| 18:25.49 | |rt| | hey guys I got a n810 earlier this week and I'm concerned that the directional pad doesn't work...which apps use the directional pad so that I can test it? |
| 18:26.09 | lcuk | |rt|, anything with a text box |
| 18:26.10 | lcuk | notes app |
| 18:26.18 | GeneralAntilles | The discussion on Tools is taking place on -developers if anybody wants to jump in. |
| 18:26.30 | |rt| | lcuk: ok it should scroll the text boxes? |
| 18:26.32 | X-Fade | Juha, Tero, Eero, I know multiples of those names ;) |
| 18:26.45 | lcuk | rt - it should do what cursor keys do in a normal desktop ap |
| 18:26.47 | lcuk | p |
| 18:26.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, eww, busybox in sbox. Actually, busybox does provide coreutills but also conflicts with it |
| 18:27.02 | lcuk | ahhhhh - mental note: add cursor key support to the one textbox in liqbase |
| 18:27.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: then again, if sb is supposed to be SDK for tablet, why shouldn't it be /bin/sh? |
| 18:27.34 | |rt| | lcuk: yeah it's not moving the cursor |
| 18:27.53 | X-Fade | Ok, fennec looks cool. But performance is way, way, way off. |
| 18:27.59 | qwerty12_N800 | parted is in diablo extras-devel, sfdisk haters rejoice |
| 18:28.10 | |rt| | lcuk: can i cat the device in the xterm to see if it's doing anything |
| 18:28.10 | Stskeeps | now for gparted, qwerty12_N800 |
| 18:28.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:28.26 | lcuk | |rt|, you oculd find and download xev and see whats goin on |
| 18:28.35 | lcuk | if you have diddled with your keymap you couldv screwed it up |
| 18:28.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, nah, i aint a developer :p |
| 18:29.06 | lcuk | X-Fade, lots of alpha browsers at the moment, all waiting for a performance boost |
| 18:29.12 | |rt| | lcuk: I haven't done anything at a low level with it yet other than ssh into it and install vim and look around |
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| 18:29.37 | X-Fade | lcuk: Well, this one needs it the most ;) |
| 18:29.46 | X-Fade | lcuk: Really, slideshow. |
| 18:29.48 | jeward | Hi, how can I read .lit files on maemo? |
| 18:29.50 | lcuk | |rt|, im really not the best person to talk to about internals |
| 18:29.56 | lcuk | X-Fade, awww boo |
| 18:29.57 | X-Fade | lcuk: But it has some cool concepts. |
| 18:30.08 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, grab convertlit and use fbreader |
| 18:30.09 | |rt| | lcuk: well I appreciate your help |
| 18:30.48 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, convertlit is available for tablet somewhere + a quick gui |
| 18:30.55 | lcuk | |rt|, xev should however tell you if the low level system is detecting keypresses, hope its not entirely broke for you |
| 18:31.11 | GeneralAntilles | At least MicroB is getting performance boosts with each update. |
| 18:31.43 | lcuk | yeah GeneralAntilles its much nicer now |
| 18:32.07 | |rt| | lcuk: well if it is i can rma it at TigerDirect where I bought it |
| 18:32.08 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: apt-get able? |
| 18:32.19 | qwerty12_N800 | needs to set up hosts + usercontent.css |
| 18:32.24 | lcuk | fair enough rt |
| 18:32.32 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, don't think so |
| 18:32.40 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, thanks, qwerty12_N800, that reminds me. |
| 18:32.44 | GeneralAntilles | needs to too. |
| 18:32.44 | |rt| | lcuk: if you ssh in as root can run cat /dev/input/mice and then use the directional does it spit out anything at you? |
| 18:32.50 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, make a .deb for that yet? :P |
| 18:33.12 | |rt| | lcuk: or does that show up as the up, down, left, right arrow on the keyboard...in which case I'll need to use xev |
| 18:33.44 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, No :p. i suck at packaging :p. though it does sound like an interesting idea... |
| 18:33.49 | lcuk | god knows i havent got the system runnin |
| 18:33.52 | lcuk | and im on downtime |
| 18:34.00 | GeneralAntilles | Make css-adblocking and hosts-adblocking |
| 18:34.03 | GeneralAntilles | CSS should be easy |
| 18:34.03 | lcuk | is officially havin a rest |
| 18:34.12 | GeneralAntilles | just add or remove one text file. |
| 18:34.42 | lcuk | i tihnk thats the first time ive said stuff like that |
| 18:35.07 | GeneralAntilles | throws TODOs at lcuk. |
| 18:35.25 | |rt| | lcuk: thanks for you help...I'll contact nokia's support and work with them to see if it's indeed a problem with the directional |
| 18:35.27 | lcuk | throws WORKSFORME back at you |
| 18:36.47 | GeneralAntilles | spams REOPENEDs at lcuk. |
| 18:38.02 | lcuk | locks out GeneralAntilles, takes away his hammer, deletes his acocunts, and signs him up for the nokia knitting club |
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| 18:39.02 | jeward | converlit is apt-get able, by the way. |
| 18:40.02 | Stskeeps | ponders to take a crack at getting fedora arm on tablet |
| 18:40.22 | lcuk | you would be better gettin fedora hat to sit on the tablet |
| 18:40.32 | lcuk | especially if you use the stand |
| 18:40.34 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, to what end? |
| 18:40.43 | jeward | How do I enter a '|' in an xterm again? I forget. |
| 18:40.46 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm bored and i have a lot of beer. |
| 18:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | Focus on making Deblet more awesome instead. :P |
| 18:40.55 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm |
| 18:45.25 | Stskeeps | is just unsure what direction to go in really |
| 18:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | I still want a Hildon DE. |
| 18:47.16 | Stskeeps | the difficulity is however what hildon is, is it hildon with the GTK extensions or not :) |
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| 18:48.09 | lcuk | Stskeeps, how large is your project |
| 18:48.21 | Stskeeps | lcuk: not big at all |
| 18:48.39 | Stskeeps | if you mean in terms of people |
| 18:48.43 | lcuk | and the barrier of entry, could i build it on my device or do i need a full devkit |
| 18:48.59 | lcuk | i meant MB capacity |
| 18:49.34 | Stskeeps | oh, you can either build packages inside deblet like you would on a debian machine (apt-get install build-essentials) or on a qemu arm emulator |
| 18:50.11 | Stskeeps | we don't have a SDK, and if we were to have one, it would probably be a trick to distcc from tablet/emulator to a local toolchain on a desktop |
| 18:50.18 | lcuk | how large is deblet install version? |
| 18:50.30 | Stskeeps | 661m is my nit-env-lxde atm |
| 18:50.39 | lcuk | coughs |
| 18:50.56 | Stskeeps | but that's with iceweasel, midori, synaptic |
| 18:50.56 | Stskeeps | etc |
| 18:51.20 | Stskeeps | lemme see what docpurge and localepurge does |
| 18:51.35 | lcuk | is it possible to make a really minimal version that people could sit a selection of WM ontop of? |
| 18:51.38 | |rt| | lcuk: I feel dumb now...i just realized that i wasn't pressing on the directional button hard enough |
| 18:51.42 | |rt| | :) |
| 18:51.48 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:51.55 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, nit-env-x and build a package on top |
| 18:52.05 | Stskeeps | we have different levels |
| 18:52.22 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, remove the midgard_article template from the top of the NFS article whenever you feel like it doesn't suck. |
| 18:52.30 | lcuk | Stskeeps, im thinking cos theres plenty of x11 window managers around and would want core minimal system |
| 18:52.57 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, - and lxde is actually lightweight in comparison to what you get :P |
| 18:53.03 | Stskeeps | a hildon env would be smaller, obviously |
| 18:53.06 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, sure, i'll try and clean it some more sometime, thanks |
| 18:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | No, thank you! :D |
| 18:53.46 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
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| 19:02.09 | |rt| | what screen protectors does everyone recommend for the n810? |
| 19:02.38 | lcuk | big thick ones |
| 19:02.40 | flo_lap | |rt|: none? |
| 19:03.00 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 19:03.03 | |rt| | flo_lap: you don't scratch your screen with the stylus? |
| 19:03.06 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: I have convertlit, but I don't understand how to make something FBReader will understand with it. |
| 19:04.25 | lcuk | |rt|, you only scratch your screen with stylus if you have grit or dirt on the screen or stylus to scratch it with |
| 19:04.33 | lcuk | dont let grubby fingers touch it if you are scared |
| 19:04.44 | qwerty12_N800 | is convinced I don't need one after my n800 came out fine after being smacked by a wall and hitting the concrete floor |
| 19:04.46 | lcuk | and cleanse occasionally with wd40 or something ;) |
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| 19:04.59 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, hmm, give me a sec |
| 19:05.03 | lcuk | note: dont take my advice as gospel |
| 19:05.19 | lcuk | has worn his screen out |
| 19:05.21 | flo_lap | |rt|: no, i prefer to keep my screens clean and therefore i do not scratch these. |
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| 19:05.31 | lcuk | hiya flo_lap |
| 19:05.46 | flo_lap | lcuk: your screen doesn't count ;) |
| 19:05.54 | |rt| | heh |
| 19:05.58 | lcuk | heh, i use mine a bit more than most |
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| 19:06.22 | jagernot | got my n810 today |
| 19:06.45 | lcuk | flo_lap, i saw someone on the U in berlin - she got out an old dell pda - it had specific scratches in the palces she used it - she mustv played solitaire every day on the train for years |
| 19:06.47 | jagernot | i have heard the screen is pressure sensitive...how can i read the pressure of the stylus in a c program? |
| 19:06.55 | lcuk | libXSP |
| 19:07.05 | flo_lap | lcuk: hehe |
| 19:07.29 | lcuk | jagernot, XSPSetTSRawMode(dpy, True); |
| 19:07.37 | lcuk | follow that keyword and find all you need |
| 19:07.44 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: I run it on a .lit file and specify output, but FBReader shows it as empty. |
| 19:07.50 | lcuk | its uncalibrated raw pressure info |
| 19:07.54 | jeward | I must be doing something wrong. |
| 19:07.56 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, I used this frontend for clit (yes, convertlit is called that too...) : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137831&postcount=18 . then i pointed fbreader to the new zip |
| 19:08.36 | lcuk | :O qwerty, you said a bad word |
| 19:08.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, surprise! :p |
| 19:08.53 | lcuk | you have made this guy go and find the clit |
| 19:09.02 | lcuk | i wonder if he will ever find it |
| 19:09.16 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 19:09.24 | jagernot | lcuk thanks! |
| 19:10.11 | jagernot | maemo.org is down? |
| 19:10.14 | jagernot | cant connect to it |
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| 19:11.00 | lcuk | seems to be, give it a few minutes and try again? |
| 19:11.04 | lcuk | ello JamieBennett1 |
| 19:11.14 | JamieBennett1 | Hi Gary :) |
| 19:12.04 | lcuk | JamieBennett1, the projector thing we used, was it something you took over or from nokia? |
| 19:12.12 | lcuk | or did c-base find it? |
| 19:12.23 | JamieBennett1 | Project was from c-base |
| 19:12.29 | lcuk | the overhead one? |
| 19:12.33 | JamieBennett1 | Yes |
| 19:12.40 | lcuk | wicked then |
| 19:13.40 | JamieBennett1 | why? |
| 19:13.50 | lcuk | jagernot, maemo is workin again now apparantly |
| 19:13.53 | JamieBennett1 | (you broke it ;)) |
| 19:14.32 | lcuk | heh no - the last i heard before we arrived was one might be rigged up - they didnt know before whether one could be found |
| 19:14.49 | lcuk | has an image of all the c-base crew flying around the world hunting |
| 19:15.16 | JamieBennett1 | I tried to get a camcorder and a stand to do screen caps but it failed. They 'found' that somewhere apparently. |
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| 19:16.15 | lcuk | yeah, worked wonders - now we just have to make sure we get one for every summit |
| 19:16.49 | lcuk | brb anyway |
| 19:17.28 | Stskeeps | someone should hack libgtkstylus to use libxsp |
| 19:17.45 | GeneralAntilles | |rt|, Boxwave anti-glare. |
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| 19:18.54 | JamieBennett1 | lcuk: Indeed. If I have the oportunity to attend the next summit I want to organise the talks well before we get there (presentations on USB keys beforehand, equipment available and setup e.t.c) |
| 19:18.54 | Stskeeps | so that a hard press means right click or something |
| 19:18.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:19.34 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That is called tap-and-hold ;) |
| 19:19.43 | Stskeeps | yeah, but without the maemo gtk :P |
| 19:19.59 | Stskeeps | isnt satisfied with libgtkstylus so |
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| 19:20.11 | |rt| | GeneralAntilles: thanks I'm looking at their stuff now....need to get a case for it as well |
| 19:20.24 | |rt| | I don't really care much for the one it comes with from nokia |
| 19:20.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a shipping protector. |
| 19:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | Not meant to be left on |
| 19:20.45 | GeneralAntilles | (though I left mine on my N800 for 6 months before I got the Boxwave) |
| 19:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | I have a guide on applying the Boxwave somewhere on itT if you do end up getting it. |
| 19:21.14 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Gave some nice scratches in the scrollbar area for me ;) |
| 19:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | I used my 770 without a screen protector |
| 19:21.32 | X-Fade | On the shipping protector one. |
| 19:21.37 | GeneralAntilles | I had scratches from Maemodrac |
| 19:21.54 | Stskeeps | loves his boxwave screen protector |
| 19:22.10 | Stskeeps | after scratching the work one without a screen protector :P |
| 19:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | can't remember whether he was using plural or singular for wikpages. |
| 19:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to update: https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Hot_Topics ? |
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| 19:27.52 | X-Fade | Later guys, have a good weekend. |
| 19:27.57 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: My n810 won't install the lit2zip*.deb file. :-( |
| 19:28.38 | jagernot | hello...what should i do to connect to n810 from my linux machine...ie i would like to telnet to it. thanks |
| 19:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | Bye, X-Fade. |
| 19:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | openssh |
| 19:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 19:28.57 | infobot | i heard extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 19:29.13 | jagernot | openssh is there on extras u mean? |
| 19:29.21 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, use dpkg -i lit2zip.deb as root |
| 19:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 19:29.58 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: It complains of no python, is there an argument that tells it to also install pre-requisites? |
| 19:30.37 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, hmm, apt-get install whatever it's asking for |
| 19:30.45 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: K. |
| 19:33.57 | jeward | Ah, much better! |
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| 19:37.10 | Stskeeps | anyone who's good with gtk.gdk.Color? |
| 19:37.22 | Stskeeps | (python or otherwise) |
| 19:37.49 | Stskeeps | i just found some code where they use "#rrggbb" notation for constructor of it, which doesn't fit in any apis i can find |
| 19:38.14 | jagernot | hmm i cant find openssh on extras.. |
| 19:41.26 | GeneralAntilles | Is it enabled? |
| 19:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's in there, anyway. |
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| 19:42.55 | ShadowJK_ | fails at tap-and-hold too often |
| 19:44.30 | jagernot | is it not possible to telnet over usb? |
| 19:44.48 | jagernot | i have connected n810 to my linux mc via usb |
| 19:45.43 | qwerty12_N800 | jagernot, compile utelnetd :p |
| 19:46.16 | qwerty12_N800 | would highly recommend openssh instead like GeneralAntilles said |
| 19:47.35 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Screen_protector |
| 19:47.44 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody wants to add their favorite brand. |
| 19:47.45 | jagernot | i download openssh for n810 and install it and run it? but i dont have wifi internet access here |
| 19:48.06 | jagernot | i want to do a hello world app to start with. |
| 19:48.34 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: Well, I got it running, but I don't really see the advantage of FBReader over just loading the .htm file into the web browser? |
| 19:48.50 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: Unless I'm missing something significant. |
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| 19:49.48 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, bookmarks :) + it's a dedicated book reader. but I didn't recommend fbreader, it was you asking how to load an lit into fbreader |
| 19:49.53 | sp3000 | hmm, how much free space does / have on a flashed device now? |
| 19:50.14 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: Ah, what do you recommend? :-) |
| 19:50.52 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, fbreader :). It's the only book reader we have afaik. |
| 19:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, ~128MB |
| 19:51.17 | sp3000 | tx |
| 19:51.21 | GeneralAntilles | jeward, formatting, hotkeys, library support, bookmarks. |
| 19:51.22 | jeward | qwerty12_N800: Thanks for all your help! |
| 19:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's a lot better than the browser for reading. |
| 19:51.37 | qwerty12_N800 | jeward, np |
| 19:51.44 | jeward | Yeah, bookmarks would be very useful. |
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| 19:55.42 | qwerty12_N800 | jagernot, openssh debs are here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/o/openssh/ but it's a little more long than installing from extras. If all you need is a shell over usb, maybe using the g_serial module would be easier |
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| 20:10.46 | mavhc | rotation in fbreader too, and I assume lower ram usage |
| 20:13.45 | sp3000 | download openssh packages, put on mmc over usb, umount and disconnect, install on tablet, reconnect, umount on pc, on device as root rmmod g_file_storage, insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/*/g_ether.ko, ifconfig usb0 alocaladdress, on pc ifconfig usb0 anappropriatenearbylocaladdress |
| 20:14.12 | sp3000 | 2. ? |
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| 20:15.34 | Stskeeps | 3. PROFIT! |
| 20:16.12 | mavhc | 2. invent the iphone, it's simpler |
| 20:16.13 | qwerty12_N800 | 4. Armed robbery where i steal Stskeeps's profit |
| 20:17.19 | mavhc | also you forgot step 0 |
| 20:20.08 | Stskeeps | 0. Coffee. |
| 20:20.51 | Stskeeps | god, it feels good when one of your file server hds actually do fail, and your data is safe with zfs, and backup |
| 20:21.42 | |rt| | has anyone played with fennec yet? |
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| 20:30.16 | Stskeeps | hrm, plan 9 exists for arm.. |
| 20:30.19 | Stskeeps | glances at tablet |
| 20:30.26 | zap | Anybody knows, how/when the NIT synchronizes time with some external server? |
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| 20:30.36 | zap | for some reason, the time on NIT is ~20 minutes off |
| 20:30.41 | Stskeeps | don't think it does |
| 20:30.46 | Stskeeps | get ntpdate or the likes |
| 20:31.00 | zap | well, I can't remember me to set the date/time |
| 20:31.03 | Stskeeps | zap: google tells me you know something about /sys/devices/platform/dsp/state and what it does? :P |
| 20:31.08 | zap | looks like he did it itself :) |
| 20:31.19 | zap | me? |
| 20:31.27 | Stskeeps | well, irc logs of this channel said something :P |
| 20:31.31 | zap | maybe I asked what's that? :) |
| 20:31.34 | Stskeeps | hehe, okay |
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| 20:44.44 | RST38h | zap: if it does sync time, it has to do it via NTP |
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| 20:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | Helloooo, andre___. |
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| 22:05.58 | Stskeeps | plays a little more with hildon on deblet |
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| 22:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, ping. |
| 22:11.54 | t_s_o | mornin GeneralAntilles |
| 22:12.19 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, basically we need to experiment with packaging. |
| 22:12.54 | GeneralAntilles | Right now it's all talk, so we need people to play with the packaging and people to be guinea pigs once there's something concrete. |
| 22:12.56 | t_s_o | in other words, who has a IT to act as a lab rat? |
| 22:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | More or less |
| 22:13.47 | GeneralAntilles | but that's still dependent on somebody stepping up to actually put together some packages. ;) |
| 22:14.07 | |rt| | what's an IT? |
| 22:14.14 | Stskeeps | ow |
| 22:14.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:14.15 | |rt| | internet tablet? |
| 22:15.02 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 22:18.33 | lardman | night chaps |
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| 22:23.41 | Stskeeps | are there any hildon themes where the fonts are not so bloody oversized? |
| 22:25.01 | zakkm | in terms of web surfing, general usage.. how much better is the newest diablo - Nokia N800 .. vs the Nokia 770 ( OS2006/07 ) |
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| 22:25.33 | Stskeeps | it has improvements obviously |
| 22:25.57 | Stskeeps | 770 to 800 is a good step up :P |
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| 22:27.06 | zakkm | I'm buying a N800 off someone on craigslist this sunday. |
| 22:27.11 | zakkm | I used to own the 770. |
| 22:27.18 | zakkm | But it was hella slow for browsing and stuff |
| 22:27.33 | Stskeeps | then n800 probably helps |
| 22:27.43 | zakkm | my 770 got wsod many months ago. |
| 22:27.55 | zakkm | N800 for $150 ? you think thats good? ( Canadian Dollars ) |
| 22:28.05 | zakkm | used - comes with everything |
| 22:28.12 | Stskeeps | that's decent, think i paid like 200-250$ for mine |
| 22:28.14 | Stskeeps | from fresh |
| 22:28.22 | zakkm | yeah but you get warranty :P |
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| 22:29.06 | Stskeeps | not when you have to import from the US when the company importing in .dk screwed you over to the extent of almost filing a police report for fraud towards them |
| 22:29.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:29.21 | zakkm | loll |
| 22:29.36 | zakkm | you live in denmark ? |
| 22:29.39 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 22:30.01 | n810 | does anyone knows about maemo app to control xbmc? |
| 22:30.18 | zakkm | there is one? |
| 22:30.40 | n810 | i remember some "dev" talked about it in this channel |
| 22:30.51 | n810 | january this year or so.. |
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| 22:33.17 | n810 | i'm not sure to start writing it myself in python+gtk bindings; send/get data via built-in xbmc web server |
| 22:33.18 | zakkm | How good is android on N800 ? |
| 22:33.38 | zakkm | xbmc = xbox media center, right? |
| 22:33.48 | n810 | sorry.. yeah |
| 22:34.03 | Stskeeps | zakkm: it's a proof of concept really |
| 22:34.13 | zakkm | not usable? |
| 22:34.21 | zakkm | like a good alternative? |
| 22:34.22 | Stskeeps | it's usable to some extent but it's an old version |
| 22:34.50 | n810 | name? source? |
| 22:35.38 | zakkm | By the looks of it i will just be using Canola and microb. |
| 22:35.50 | zakkm | How good is iNES? and those emulators? |
| 22:36.22 | n810 | using canola? that would be quite nice |
| 22:36.41 | zakkm | looks so good.. didn't work on my old 770 |
| 22:37.18 | Stskeeps | is torn between liking hildon and not liking it |
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| 22:38.04 | t_s_o | unless one have a keyboard (or own a N810) game emulators on the tablet makes no sense |
| 22:38.16 | zakkm | lol |
| 22:38.18 | zakkm | scuumvm ? |
| 22:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, why not try them and see? |
| 22:38.30 | zakkm | I dont have the tablet yet. |
| 22:38.33 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, have you tried them with an N800? |
| 22:38.38 | mgedmin | can play tic tac toe without a keyboard, so there! |
| 22:38.38 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: I'm buying on sunday. |
| 22:39.01 | GeneralAntilles | VGBA and VGB work great for me on my N800 |
| 22:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | You can hook up a Wiimote if the controls really bother you. |
| 22:39.16 | zakkm | GenerealAntilles: Diablo? |
| 22:39.22 | zakkm | Wiimotes work on n800 ? |
| 22:39.26 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 22:39.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a Bluetooth device. |
| 22:39.41 | zakkm | any bluetooth device works? |
| 22:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | As long as there are drivers for it. |
| 22:40.03 | t_s_o | and try to hold two devices? meh. if one have to put the device on a table to play, one could just go for a desktop emulator anyways... |
| 22:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, the Wiimote is one-handed, the tablet is one-handed . |
| 22:40.33 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine. |
| 22:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | Just ask Navi. ;) |
| 22:40.56 | t_s_o | heh, i envisioned using it in the classical nes hold... |
| 22:41.02 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: would i just have to go through nokia builtin settings to get wiimote to work and function ? |
| 22:41.20 | t_s_o | if one was to use the sensorsystem instead, i guess it could work, somewhat... |
| 22:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, Wiicontrol |
| 22:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I don't have any trouble using VGBA with just the N800. |
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| 22:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, anyway, yes, RST38h's emulators are very high quality. |
| 22:47.32 | zakkm | Which did RST38h do? |
| 22:47.47 | zakkm | Ya sorry, my Linkinus trial ended so i had to download another irc client |
| 22:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | Colloquy |
| 22:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | Linkinus sucks |
| 22:48.02 | GeneralAntilles | http://fms.komkon.net/ |
| 22:48.09 | zakkm | yeah im on colloquy now |
| 22:48.18 | zakkm | only other i know |
| 22:48.28 | Stskeeps | wonders how powerlaunch works on deblet |
| 22:48.32 | GeneralAntilles | There are a few from the Classic days, but those suck worse. |
| 22:48.33 | Stskeeps | doesn't seem that maemo-depedannt |
| 22:48.54 | zakkm | lol |
| 22:49.07 | zakkm | i know irssi and stuff.. but i meant like fully gui mac ones. |
| 22:49.22 | zakkm | and mirc and stuff for windows.. |
| 22:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | Snak, Ircle, etc. |
| 22:49.35 | zakkm | is the VGBA playable? like high framerate |
| 22:49.40 | zakkm | oh those suck :P so ugly |
| 22:50.09 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: if i get a decent hildon environment up for deblet, is it something you'd like to either work or on try and see what can be done for it? |
| 22:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 22:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe |
| 22:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | More likely I might push it community-side. |
| 22:52.34 | zakkm | GeneralAntiles:In your opinion, is $150 good for a used Nokia N800 with all the stuff it came with? |
| 22:52.38 | zakkm | Canadian dollars. |
| 22:52.51 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a good deal. |
| 22:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming it's not scratched to hell. |
| 22:53.09 | zakkm | yeah i wouldnt buy it if it is |
| 22:53.10 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, It's something I'd definitely be interested in seeing, but it's not something I see myself putting a lot my own time into. |
| 22:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly because I have a tendency to pick up lots of projects then never really invest much time in any of them. |
| 22:53.52 | Stskeeps | *nod* so far i've isolated problems like, maemo-gtk and gtk isn't all that synced just yet, extras come from rest of X obviously, the fact people depend on closed source libraries for their apps, .. and much other stuff |
| 22:53.57 | zakkm | One question, sorry, Does canola work on diablo ? |
| 22:54.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it works just fine. |
| 22:54.19 | Stskeeps | nokia has without thinking about it caused platform lock in, imho |
| 22:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | 99% of stuff is compatible between Chinook and Diablo. |
| 22:54.59 | zakkm | Is the VGBA smooth playback ? |
| 22:55.02 | zakkm | gaming* |
| 22:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | Very |
| 22:55.10 | zakkm | awesome :) |
| 22:55.16 | zakkm | going to one nice purchase. |
| 22:55.31 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, now, pushing Nokia for changes along the lines of https://wiki.maemo.org/Objective:Maemo_variants is something I can definitely do. |
| 22:56.02 | Stskeeps | yeah, need to be people to push the political agenda too i guess :P |
| 22:56.09 | Stskeeps | *waits for wiki to load..* |
| 22:56.21 | zakkm | yeah taking long for me too |
| 22:56.49 | GeneralAntilles | That objective fits perfectly with my community council hat. ;) |
| 22:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the Fremantle alpha SDK is an especially good time to start pushing the upstream compatibility. |
| 22:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | They seem to be heading in that directly anyway, but pointing out specific failure points will help. |
| 22:59.16 | zakkm | When i get nokia, is it safe to update to the newest diablo ? |
| 22:59.23 | zakkm | I been reading forum post and it seems risky |
| 22:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 23:00.30 | Stskeeps | zakkm: just do it from fresh before installing anything and you should be fine |
| 23:00.52 | zakkm | im buying it used so it might already have apps on it |
| 23:00.54 | GeneralAntilles | Not doing stupid things prevents you from having trouble. |
| 23:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 23:00.58 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 23:01.02 | zakkm | I was thinking of reflashing it and then updating |
| 23:01.25 | zakkm | Is flashing in Mac okay? |
| 23:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 23:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | 770Flasher.app works fine. |
| 23:01.35 | Stskeeps | .. still waiting for wiki |
| 23:01.40 | zakkm | yeah me too |
| 23:01.44 | zakkm | wiki is like broken :P |
| 23:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 23:01.57 | GeneralAntilles | When are those servers coming? . . . |
| 23:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's got them all playing Quake 2 against each other. |
| 23:02.46 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: in any case, a proof of concept powerlaunch + hildon env should be enough for people to start hacking eventually.. then people can pick up from there i guess |
| 23:03.21 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, just gotta find the tipping point where people are interested enough to start investing their own time. |
| 23:03.23 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 23:03.52 | GeneralAntilles | My biggest issue with Deblet is the UI. |
| 23:04.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's awkward using a desktop DE, the keys don't work like I expect them, virtual input sucks, etc, etc. |
| 23:04.27 | Stskeeps | i prefer hildon myself, or maybe something along the lines of http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2888/two.jpg |
| 23:04.33 | zakkm | would WM's work well ? |
| 23:04.44 | zakkm | *box's ? |
| 23:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | Once you get to the point where you've pretty well replicated Maemo's Ui, and most things work as you'd expect (or better!), then it starts to look like a more viable alternative. |
| 23:06.15 | zakkm | is hildon closed source? |
| 23:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon |
| 23:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's open source. |
| 23:06.45 | zakkm | stskeeps: nice screenshot ( reading the show off your screenshots thread) |
| 23:06.56 | zakkm | so why not just edit hildon ? |
| 23:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody changed that screenshot to an ugly one of Ubuntu Mobile for some reason. |
| 23:07.13 | GeneralAntilles | I'm half tempted to change it back |
| 23:07.27 | GeneralAntilles | since the OS2008 shot looked much nicer (and better demonstrated exactly what Hildon is) |
| 23:07.43 | zakkm | stskeeps: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png <--- deblet ? |
| 23:07.48 | zakkm | looks like maemo |
| 23:08.04 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: the current low-resolution screenshot on that wikipedia page sucks, go do it |
| 23:08.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Itos_2008_desktop.jpg |
| 23:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | That's what I was using. |
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| 23:09.01 | zakkm | default? |
| 23:09.22 | Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah, that's deblet+hildon |
| 23:09.32 | zetheroo | is there a free GPS software which is complete with voices and all? |
| 23:09.47 | Stskeeps | maemo mapper maybe |
| 23:09.52 | zakkm | deblet+ hildon ? |
| 23:10.02 | zakkm | so its not maemo . but it looks and acts like it? lol |
| 23:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, Ubuntu fanboys are a bit weird on Wikipedia. |
| 23:10.15 | Stskeeps | it's not maemo, it's deblet and hildon :P |
| 23:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper |
| 23:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | Using flite |
| 23:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | Not great, but it fits the bill. |
| 23:10.29 | Stskeeps | which is not entirely like maemo |
| 23:10.33 | mgedmin | so, put both screenshots on the page |
| 23:10.47 | zakkm | Stskeeps: i like your skin in it and was wondering if its a maemo skin, but i guess not |
| 23:10.56 | GeneralAntilles | They stick Ubuntu references in the strangest places. |
| 23:10.58 | Stskeeps | zakkm: it's "plankton".. think it's in sdk |
| 23:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, sounds like a plan! |
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| 23:11.11 | Stskeeps | .. but anyway, it's one of the open source themes |
| 23:11.13 | zakkm | Was wondering if i could have it. But i would like to use maemo for awhile before i start deblet and stuff |
| 23:11.26 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, like Stskeeps says, it's Plankton, the free theme they use for the SDK, it's also available for the tablets. |
| 23:11.27 | Stskeeps | hildon-theme-plankton, google it |
| 23:11.46 | zakkm | oh sweet :) |
| 23:11.47 | zakkm | thanks |
| 23:11.48 | zakkm | bookmarking |
| 23:12.06 | zakkm | wait this is 2007 ? |
| 23:12.08 | zakkm | OS2007 ? |
| 23:12.12 | zakkm | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/12pt-hildon-theme-plankton/ |
| 23:12.41 | zakkm | ah ill figure it out |
| 23:13.41 | zakkm | I have a question |
| 23:13.44 | Stskeeps | interesting url though |
| 23:14.04 | zakkm | How do i backup everything . so if flash fails.. It will still work from a backup? |
| 23:14.31 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: frightening, powerlaunch compiled with only 1-2 changes. first maemo app doing that |
| 23:14.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, OK, added both. Thanks! |
| 23:15.39 | Stskeeps | .. besides advanced-backlight |
| 23:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 23:16.21 | AStorm | hello again |
| 23:16.36 | AStorm | do you know of any nice PIM tool for both my PC and n810? :) |
| 23:16.37 | zakkm | For everything deblet, apps etc.. what size SD should i be looking at? |
| 23:16.45 | zakkm | not including music,video etc.. |
| 23:16.56 | GeneralAntilles | 8GB-16GB is the sweet spot for price |
| 23:17.03 | zakkm | haha cant afford that much |
| 23:17.09 | GeneralAntilles | $30? |
| 23:17.17 | zakkm | 2GB = $7.99 XD |
| 23:17.26 | zakkm | im about to pay $150 for nokia. It will make me broke. |
| 23:17.36 | AStorm | :> |
| 23:17.43 | zakkm | Im a 17 year old high school student. |
| 23:17.49 | AStorm | well, for n800? |
| 23:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | Get a job! |
| 23:17.53 | zakkm | i have a job |
| 23:17.56 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: :> |
| 23:17.56 | zakkm | i work 28 hours this coming week |
| 23:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | Get another job! |
| 23:18.07 | AStorm | if it were that simple |
| 23:18.07 | zakkm | + classes.. |
| 23:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | What are the labor laws up there like? |
| 23:18.21 | zakkm | Astorm: doesnt GarnetVM work ? |
| 23:18.27 | AStorm | I feel the whole PIM section is being ignored with n's |
| 23:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | was doing 40 hours a week at work during his senior year. |
| 23:18.31 | zakkm | GeneralAntiles: perfect? idkk |
| 23:18.34 | AStorm | zakkm: it sucks, it's not integrated etc. |
| 23:18.37 | AStorm | it's PALM! |
| 23:18.43 | zakkm | so? |
| 23:18.43 | AStorm | it wastes n's UI |
| 23:18.47 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, GPE? |
| 23:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | Pimlico? |
| 23:18.52 | AStorm | and it's slower than native |
| 23:18.55 | zakkm | Astorm: .. add KDE and use KDE PIM ? :) |
| 23:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan's stuff? |
| 23:18.58 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: close, but no cigar |
| 23:19.02 | AStorm | anything better? |
| 23:19.13 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: Pimlico... haven't tried |
| 23:19.16 | AStorm | webpages please? |
| 23:19.22 | AStorm | :) |
| 23:19.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.pimlico-project.org/dates.html |
| 23:19.45 | AStorm | zakkm: I don't want KDE, thank you |
| 23:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | There are a finite number of PIM packages on Maemo |
| 23:19.53 | AStorm | it is too all-inclusive, can't just take a part of it |
| 23:19.59 | GeneralAntilles | Sooo, either one of the few will do it for you or it wont. ;) |
| 23:20.00 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: ah, that one |
| 23:20.04 | AStorm | with non-integrated apps? |
| 23:20.10 | AStorm | something more integrated please? |
| 23:20.10 | zakkm | AStorm: can use easy debian and install kde-pim? |
| 23:20.15 | zakkm | that way its integrated into maemo ? |
| 23:20.17 | AStorm | zakkm: ... |
| 23:20.28 | AStorm | it's too integrated in its own! |
| 23:20.37 | AStorm | I mean, if I pull a bit of KDE, I have to eat it whole |
| 23:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | Pimlico is integrated. . . . |
| 23:20.43 | AStorm | or I'll have problems |
| 23:20.50 | zakkm | just size wise |
| 23:20.52 | zakkm | not UI . |
| 23:20.57 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: really? it has 3 apps for the same PIM |
| 23:20.59 | AStorm | :) |
| 23:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's Hildonized |
| 23:21.23 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: yes, that's a plus |
| 23:21.28 | GeneralAntilles | isn't quite sure what you mean by "integrated". |
| 23:21.33 | zakkm | Is there any alternatives besides Deblet ? |
| 23:21.38 | zakkm | reasonable ones. |
| 23:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming that means ". . . with Maemo", which means "Hildonized" |
| 23:21.45 | Stskeeps | i'm not even sure deblet is reasonable |
| 23:21.52 | zakkm | lol |
| 23:22.01 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: might be, might not as long as UI is usable enough on n |
| 23:22.04 | zakkm | i mean ones worth looking into |
| 23:22.10 | AStorm | syncing with main machine is important |
| 23:22.17 | AStorm | and that it's buildable here |
| 23:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, truth be told, Maemo is really more than adequate. |
| 23:22.38 | GeneralAntilles | It has its quirks, but it works. |
| 23:22.44 | Stskeeps | that it does |
| 23:22.47 | zakkm | I know but i like how you say .. looking around, trying new software.. |
| 23:22.47 | GeneralAntilles | Which can't entirely be said of most of the alternatives (yet). |
| 23:23.03 | GeneralAntilles | Then you'll want some SD cards. ;) |
| 23:23.14 | AStorm | uhm... I think... Pimlico's Todo is a failure |
| 23:23.17 | AStorm | it has no categorizing |
| 23:23.21 | AStorm | no nesting |
| 23:23.23 | AStorm | no nothing |
| 23:23.26 | zakkm | When i had my 770 .. i downloaded every app in application manager :P |
| 23:23.30 | zakkm | and added repos and all too |
| 23:23.40 | zakkm | likes trying new software |
| 23:23.45 | AStorm | wrong, it has 1-level nesting, not enough |
| 23:24.12 | AStorm | I just dropped chandler because it has no nesting |
| 23:24.19 | AStorm | (on main machine) |
| 23:25.02 | AStorm | See, I need a way to categorize all these todos |
| 23:25.15 | zakkm | google calendar :) |
| 23:25.22 | AStorm | zakkm: no offline mode, pity |
| 23:25.29 | AStorm | offline is required |
| 23:25.35 | zakkm | none have google gears? |
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| 23:27.08 | AStorm | sorry, I can't see untimed stuff in Google Calendar |
| 23:27.12 | AStorm | it fails on start :) |
| 23:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad alterego's todo never came out. |
| 23:27.37 | AStorm | I need timed and untimed stuff |
| 23:27.46 | AStorm | with simple nesting |
| 23:28.36 | zakkm | what about that "Dates" that GeneralAntiles sent ? |
| 23:28.40 | zakkm | that looked nice |
| 23:29.12 | AStorm | it doesn't support undated stuff either |
| 23:29.16 | AStorm | and has no nesting |
| 23:29.31 | AStorm | heck, why does Todo have to be a flat list? |
| 23:29.37 | AStorm | this is so wrong |
| 23:30.08 | AStorm | it was supposed to be Personal Information *Management* |
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| 23:34.56 | AStorm | hmm |
| 23:35.01 | AStorm | just found something called NoteCase |
| 23:35.28 | AStorm | but I suspect it doesn't take dates at all :-( |
| 23:36.30 | AStorm | something like that, but with dates, priorities and maybe completion count for categories |
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| 23:40.12 | AStorm | http://www.taskcoach.org/ - GOLD! |
| 23:40.26 | AStorm | ok, now, someone please port it and hildonize |
| 23:41.50 | AStorm | for reference, it uses wxPython |
| 23:42.06 | AStorm | with PyOpenGL |
| 23:42.26 | AStorm | hmm, no, opengl part is not required |
| 23:42.37 | AStorm | just wxPython. Do we have it already? |
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| 23:48.44 | mikkov_ | no wxwigets for maemo so far |
| 23:48.48 | AStorm | argh |
| 23:48.58 | AStorm | dammit, porting that is much too hard |
| 23:49.05 | AStorm | debian armel has it? |
| 23:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | I thought wx had been ported? |
| 23:49.29 | mikkov_ | but i hear that wxwidgets is hildonized in svn |
| 23:49.59 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: :) |
| 23:50.22 | mikkov_ | maybe there is deb somewhere but it doesn't help if nobody knows where it is |
| 23:51.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:51.39 | AStorm | hmmm :-( |
| 23:52.05 | mikkov_ | actually hildozed wx is great, because you get hildonized apps without changing any code |
| 23:52.27 | AStorm | at least somewhat hildonized |
| 23:52.34 | AStorm | so, can I have it? |
| 23:52.38 | AStorm | with wxPython as well |
| 23:52.44 | AStorm | (which should be easy) |
| 23:53.12 | mikkov_ | Grab sources from svn and try? |
| 23:53.30 | mikkov_ | haven't tried myself |
| 23:54.07 | AStorm | I mean, from wx svn? |
| 23:57.09 | AStorm | because "from svn" is not specific enough |
| 23:57.33 | mikkov_ | wx svn, yes |
| 23:58.05 | mikkov_ | here's some early work about wx and hildon http://wxwidgets.blogspot.com/2007/11/hildonizing-wxgtk.html |
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| 23:58.56 | mikkov_ | there's somewhere better pictures |
