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| 00:23.21 | Pavlov | anyone heard anything about beagle boards with more memory? |
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| 00:23.27 | Pavlov | coming out? ever? |
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| 00:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, the Beagle guys are interested in shipping a 256MB RAM PoP with no NAND. |
| 00:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | They haven't actually shipped one yet, though. |
| 00:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | If it's likely to happen, it seems likely that it'll be sometime in the next 3-4 months. |
| 00:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | #beagle is really the better place for Beagle Board-related questions, though. ;) |
| 00:35.55 | Pavlov | tries that out |
| 00:35.56 | Pavlov | ;) |
| 00:36.03 | Pavlov | oh i'm there too |
| 00:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | Though they tend to be active mostly during business hours. |
| 00:36.41 | Pavlov | k cool |
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| 00:42.00 | Paulius | Hey guys, small question. I have a 770 and bluetooth compatible cellphone. I want to do so that I could send SMS messages through my 770 (that is, compose on there and have my phone send it). I've searched forums and saw a few ways of doing it. |
| 00:42.14 | Paulius | What's the most recommended and possible simplest/foolproof way to achieve this? |
| 00:43.43 | mgedmin | your question assumes there is one |
| 00:43.52 | mgedmin | tried PhoneLink, but had no luck with it |
| 00:44.03 | Paulius | Yeah PhoneLink was one of the first choices there. |
| 00:44.18 | Paulius | I just wanted to get your opinions because it doesn't seem like they're actively distributing it for OS2006. |
| 00:44.41 | Paulius | Certain phones aren't compatible with the SMS sending. But I've just tried it out with my Mac and this software and it worked. |
| 00:44.54 | Paulius | Meaning that now I just need to find software on the 770-end of the equation. |
| 00:50.02 | Paulius | Speaking of which... |
| 00:50.10 | Paulius | Do you think that OS2008 is viable on the 770? |
| 00:50.29 | mgedmin | there's a hacker's edition |
| 00:50.33 | mgedmin | personally I wouldn't risk it |
| 00:50.35 | Paulius | yes I know. |
| 00:50.41 | Paulius | I used to run it but it was terribly slow. |
| 00:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine for me. |
| 00:50.46 | mgedmin | but then I'm rather conservative when it comes to software |
| 00:50.50 | Paulius | Now I'm reading some forum threads and people say that it works "fine" |
| 00:50.55 | Paulius | GeneralAntilles: What about the speed? |
| 00:51.10 | Paulius | mgedmin: I can't stand the stability in OS2006 and I want access to newer software. |
| 00:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, I cut my teeth on OS2005. ;) |
| 00:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | With MMC booting, a 48MHz kernel and swap it wasn't too bad. |
| 00:51.47 | Paulius | Would you recommend upgrading the OS? |
| 00:51.52 | Paulius | What's your performance like. |
| 00:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | Admittedly, I don't use my OS2008HE 770 as a primary device. |
| 00:52.08 | Paulius | Do you have any tutorial links for the 48MHz kernel? |
| 00:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on itT by bunanson |
| 00:52.22 | GeneralAntilles | Should be easy to find. |
| 00:52.25 | Paulius | So should I assume that it's still terribly slow? |
| 00:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | Eh |
| 00:52.44 | GeneralAntilles | It really depends on your threshold for slow. |
| 00:52.49 | GeneralAntilles | I find it to be acceptable |
| 00:52.51 | GeneralAntilles | others may not |
| 00:53.01 | Paulius | Is it similar to browsing on OS2006, though? |
| 00:53.07 | Paulius | OS2006 loads a page in about 5 seconds. |
| 00:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | OS2007HE is a reasonable compromise between OS2008HE and OS2006. |
| 00:53.28 | Paulius | When I tried out 2008 and even 2007 some time ago (unoptimized, though) it took me about 15 seconds to load a page. |
| 00:56.37 | Paulius | I don't understand the MMC thing. |
| 00:56.46 | Paulius | So the flash card is supposedly faster than the built-in flash? |
| 00:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | At the very least, it isn't running a compressed filesystem. |
| 00:57.16 | Paulius | oh, and it normally is? |
| 00:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | jffs2 is compressed. |
| 00:57.34 | Paulius | But I'm presuming that the default 64MB card isn't enough then. |
| 00:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 00:57.53 | Paulius | How much do I need/want? |
| 00:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | 1GB is about right |
| 00:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | or 2GB if you can find one cheap enough |
| 00:58.10 | Paulius | wow that much? |
| 00:58.26 | Paulius | and most importantly... where do I find MMC memory... |
| 00:58.34 | GeneralAntilles | The internet |
| 00:58.54 | Paulius | yeah but shipping costs = teh fail |
| 00:59.03 | GeneralAntilles | Eh |
| 00:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | Buy yourself a couple new harddrives off newegg while you're getting the card or something |
| 00:59.20 | Paulius | I'm in Canada. |
| 00:59.26 | Paulius | We don't have good retailers such as newegg. |
| 00:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | newegg ships to Canad. ;) |
| 00:59.35 | Paulius | Yes but pricing is terrible. |
| 00:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | s/Canad/Canada/ |
| 00:59.39 | Paulius | Way more expensive than retailers here. |
| 00:59.52 | Paulius | because they charge for customs and stuff |
| 01:00.46 | GeneralAntilles | If the card is too expensive, you might just as well try to find yourself a used N800. |
| 01:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 is lightyears ahead of the 770. |
| 01:01.17 | Pavlov | sd cards are like $30 for 8gb |
| 01:01.26 | Paulius | Pavlov: Not SD. MMC. |
| 01:01.30 | Pavlov | oh |
| 01:01.32 | Paulius | I got tons of SD cards in my house. |
| 01:01.41 | Pavlov | yeah |
| 01:02.01 | Paulius | 1GB DV RS MMC MEMORY |
| 01:02.07 | Paulius | The heck does DV and RS stand for. |
| 01:02.12 | GeneralAntilles | Reduced Size |
| 01:02.18 | Paulius | Is that what I want? |
| 01:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Probably dual voltage |
| 01:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 01:05.56 | mgedmin | a n8x0 is worth it |
| 01:06.02 | Proteous | yes |
| 01:06.03 | Proteous | I mean no |
| 01:06.04 | Proteous | wait |
| 01:06.06 | mgedmin | heh |
| 01:06.07 | Proteous | worth it for what? |
| 01:06.15 | Proteous | mine was worth it |
| 01:06.21 | Proteous | but yours might not be |
| 01:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | Worth it over the 770. |
| 01:06.43 | mgedmin | tired and not comprehensible |
| 01:07.03 | mgedmin | cpu and ram size alone are worth the switch |
| 01:07.55 | Paulius | Yeah but I got better places for my money to go at the moment. |
| 01:08.00 | Paulius | And the 770 works for what it does. |
| 01:08.04 | Paulius | Minus the small annoyances. |
| 01:08.31 | Proteous | one word "KEYBOARD" |
| 01:08.33 | Proteous | !!! |
| 01:08.33 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
| 01:08.41 | Proteous | !!ERROR |
| 01:08.41 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "!ERROR" is not a valid command. |
| 01:08.53 | Proteous | !ERROR not a valid command |
| 01:08.53 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "ERROR" is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.13 | Proteous | !ERROR" |
| 01:09.13 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "ERROR"" is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.20 | Paulius | I was thinking of getting an iPod touch... but the app store is terrible. |
| 01:09.23 | Proteous | !/" |
| 01:09.23 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "/"" is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.33 | Paulius | No useful free apps, and don't feel like paying for an app that a teen did when he was bored. |
| 01:09.46 | Proteous | just say no to bored teen apps |
| 01:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, any chance you could switch povbot's trigger? |
| 01:09.54 | Paulius | Just saying, I prefer OSS. |
| 01:10.03 | mgedmin | povbot, do you want me to switch your trigger? |
| 01:10.03 | povbot | mgedmin: Error: "do" is not a valid command. |
| 01:10.04 | Paulius | My plan is to wait for the N810 prices to go down. |
| 01:10.09 | Paulius | It's about 370$ right now. |
| 01:10.26 | mgedmin | $360 in amazon; someone said he saw it for $340 somewhere else |
| 01:10.28 | Proteous | I got mine open box from amazon for $325 |
| 01:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | Why wait for N810? |
| 01:10.41 | Paulius | 370 at Tigerdirect.ca |
| 01:10.42 | Proteous | besides missing the USB cable it was perfect |
| 01:10.43 | GeneralAntilles | N800 is cheap now. |
| 01:10.54 | Proteous | no KEYBOARD!!!! |
| 01:10.54 | Paulius | GeneralAntilles: yeah but N810 has some nice features |
| 01:10.59 | Proteous | KEYBOARDDDDDDDD |
| 01:11.03 | Paulius | like the keyboard, outside screen, GPS, etc. |
| 01:11.12 | mgedmin | GPS sucks |
| 01:11.13 | Paulius | And I hate how the N800 looks. |
| 01:11.14 | mgedmin | keyboard rules |
| 01:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | N800 actually has storage |
| 01:11.18 | mgedmin | n810 is pretty, that's true |
| 01:11.20 | Paulius | mgedmin: Better than no GPS. |
| 01:11.28 | whodat | are there any articles on disassembling an n810 |
| 01:11.29 | mgedmin | Paulius: agreed |
| 01:11.37 | mgedmin | you don't have to use it |
| 01:11.38 | mgedmin | (but you have to pay for it) |
| 01:11.45 | mgedmin | whodat: I assume a large hammer would suffice |
| 01:11.47 | Paulius | There are times when I wish I had a GPS. |
| 01:11.50 | Paulius | Even if it's crappy. |
| 01:12.00 | GeneralAntilles | That's what Bluetooth GPS units are for. |
| 01:12.03 | whodat | mgedmin: word |
| 01:12.08 | mgedmin | the GPS is so bad I'm manually tracking my position in the maemo mapper |
| 01:12.15 | Paulius | GeneralAntilles: Well that's an extra cost. |
| 01:12.16 | mgedmin | from the airport/bus station/whatever |
| 01:12.16 | GeneralAntilles | Way, way better than the N810's built-in chip. |
| 01:12.23 | GeneralAntilles | Paulius, yeah, so's an N810. :\ |
| 01:12.29 | Paulius | I'm not an american, I don't buy shit just because it's cheap or that I might need in the future. |
| 01:12.42 | GeneralAntilles | :rolleyes: |
| 01:12.42 | mgedmin | I'm not an american |
| 01:12.49 | mgedmin | I buy shit because it's awesome and I have spare cash |
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| 01:16.49 | whodat | lol, very nice n810 docking station: http://bu3sch.de/n810.php |
| 01:18.20 | whodat | and didn't know the n810 had a serial port |
| 01:18.48 | mgedmin | !!! |
| 01:18.48 | povbot | mgedmin: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
| 01:18.51 | mgedmin | darn |
| 01:19.04 | mgedmin | hates supybot sometimes |
| 01:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | whodat, they all do. |
| 01:20.40 | Proteous | !"'`/` |
| 01:20.41 | povbot | Proteous: Error: No closing quotation |
| 01:21.01 | Proteous | !/" |
| 01:21.01 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "/"" is not a valid command. |
| 01:21.16 | Proteous | !"/" |
| 01:21.16 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "/" is not a valid command. |
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| 01:23.57 | mgedmin | ! so there |
| 01:24.01 | Proteous | heh |
| 01:24.02 | Proteous | !! |
| 01:24.08 | Proteous | povbot !!!! |
| 01:24.14 | povbot | Proteous: Error: "!!!!" is not a valid command. |
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| 03:24.35 | cyrus___ | This may be a more complicated answer then what I am expecting but if someone has a chance, can they look at http://pastebin.com/m2c130674. My question is, this code compiles just fine on my Gentoo system but not within scratchbox. It is complaining about _gtk_image_set_from_file_scaled which is defined in the file misc.c (not on some external library). So why would it compile just fine on Gentoo but not maemo |
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| 03:30.08 | whodat | getting 'proxy authentication error' when trying to use the internet call, any ideas on this? |
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| 04:50.08 | Proteous | probably some sort of proxy auth error |
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| 05:50.29 | RST38h | YouTube has rejected John McCain's request for special treatment when his campaign videos are hit with DMCA takedown notices |
| 05:50.34 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 06:05.14 | doc|home | how long before he introduces some sort of tax on being involved or using google? |
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| 06:06.41 | RST38h | long enough - I hope he loses the elections |
| 06:07.16 | RST38h | although the guy does have long memory. |
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| 06:14.46 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 06:14.55 | Khertan_n810 | maybe someone can help me |
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| 06:15.31 | Khertan_n810 | i ve a problem with mmc1 on my n810 swithching constantly in read only |
| 06:15.38 | Khertan_n810 | and i don t why |
| 06:15.41 | Khertan_n810 | nor i see why |
| 06:15.51 | qwerty12 | Check if the card is corrupted |
| 06:16.07 | Khertan_n810 | to understand if a log is made somewhere |
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| 06:16.23 | johnx | there's a kernel log available with dmesg |
| 06:16.37 | Khertan_n810 | the problem seems related after a heavy metalayer crawler scan |
| 06:16.58 | johnx | probably a corrupted card with errors being triggered by lots of I/O |
| 06:17.16 | Khertan_n810 | i don t see anything in dmesg log |
| 06:17.28 | Khertan_n810 | anything suspect about io |
| 06:17.30 | johnx | nothing about remounting? |
| 06:17.46 | johnx | You should still try fsck'ing it |
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| 06:18.03 | Khertan_n810 | remounting by unloading card |
| 06:18.08 | Khertan_n810 | and reinsert it |
| 06:19.13 | johnx | but dmesg doesn't say "remounting" anywhere? |
| 06:20.32 | Khertan_n810 | give me right to write for 5 minutes |
| 06:20.32 | Khertan_n810 | no fsck on n810 |
| 06:20.35 | Khertan_n810 | ping ? |
| 06:20.51 | johnx | pong |
| 06:20.51 | bef0rd | pong |
| 06:21.12 | johnx | heh, broadcast ping? |
| 06:21.22 | bef0rd | do you have a computer near? plug it in, and fsck it from there |
| 06:21.31 | johnx | ^what he said^ |
| 06:21.37 | johnx | or find e2fsprogs from somewhere |
| 06:21.54 | qwerty12 | ~curse C++ |
| 06:21.55 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, C++ ! |
| 06:22.23 | bef0rd | ~curse infobot |
| 06:22.24 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! |
| 06:22.35 | qwerty12 | ~curse bef0rd for cursing infobot! |
| 06:22.36 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, bef0rd for cursing infobot! ! |
| 06:22.58 | bef0rd | :p limited cursing |
| 06:23.14 | qwerty12 | yeah :P. I prefer lart |
| 06:25.27 | Khertan_n810 | sorry the network connection is lagging |
| 06:25.27 | Khertan_n810 | (phone data connection in train) |
| 06:26.02 | johnx | Khertan_n810, e2fsprogs is in extras |
| 06:26.17 | johnx | err...but your card is FAT I bet |
| 06:26.19 | johnx | let's see |
| 06:26.51 | johnx | you want dosfstools in that case |
| 06:27.02 | Khertan_n810 | yet FFat |
| 06:27.02 | Khertan_n810 | Fucking FAT |
| 06:28.06 | qwerty12 | Nokia in their infinite wisdom already included dosfstools with the tablet :) |
| 06:28.17 | qwerty12 | fsck.vfat etc is already present on the tablets |
| 06:29.11 | qwerty12 | oh shit, remove legal warning patch v2 actually works |
| 06:30.06 | Khertan_n810 | dosfstools is already here |
| 06:30.06 | Khertan_n810 | but i don t found commands |
| 06:30.16 | qwerty12 | become root |
| 06:31.21 | Khertan_n810 | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 06:31.33 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12: yep :) |
| 06:31.44 | Khertan_n810 | i see that by myself |
| 06:31.45 | Khertan_n810 | is a noob |
| 06:32.01 | Khertan_n810 | Reclaimed 163 unused clusters (667648 bytes). |
| 06:32.03 | Khertan_n810 | ouch |
| 06:32.13 | Khertan_n810 | i will make a backup before |
| 06:32.18 | johnx | yes, corrupted was the right guess :) |
| 06:32.29 | qwerty12 | had to run fsck recently too :). Untarring dd-wrt sources on mmc2 with N800 wasn't good idea |
| 06:33.06 | Khertan_n810 | yep but this is strange that dmesg doesn t show anything about mounting it in read only |
| 06:36.42 | Khertan_n810 | i still don t understand also why everything and everybody and so many products use vfat fs for sdcard as it corrupt itself frequently |
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| 06:37.01 | qwerty12 | it's all about windows :) |
| 06:37.49 | Khertan_n810 | window can read other fs |
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| 06:38.21 | Khertan_n810 | is it easier to implement ? |
| 06:38.46 | qwerty12 | Not by default and I don't think support want to spend many hours in the end explaining how to get ext2 support for example on windows |
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| 06:39.15 | Khertan_n810 | not by default ? |
| 06:39.39 | Khertan_n810 | hum maybe it s the network administartor which enable it at work |
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| 06:39.55 | Khertan_n810 | sorry i m not a windows expert |
| 06:40.03 | Khertan_n810 | use it only at work |
| 06:41.03 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 06:42.04 | Khertan_n810 | is there any reason to not use ext3 on maemo for the sd card ? |
| 06:42.40 | benh | Khertan_n810: other than not mounting it on a !linux machine ? |
| 06:42.41 | Khertan_n810 | i mean for advanced user not using windows |
| 06:42.44 | benh | :-) |
| 06:43.09 | Khertan_n810 | benh: not a problem ffor me |
| 06:43.16 | benh | I guessed |
| 06:43.27 | qwerty12 | You usually use ext3 for sd card boots. For some odd reason, if the first partition on the memory card is ext3, it gets classified as corrupt as the app manager :/ |
| 06:43.37 | qwerty12 | s/app manager/file manager/ |
| 06:43.38 | Khertan_n810 | what i mean is with maemo can it made any problem |
| 06:44.11 | Khertan_n810 | so file manager doesn t read it |
| 06:44.27 | Khertan_n810 | any other app have problem with it ? |
| 06:45.31 | Khertan_n810 | pictures viewer for examples ? |
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| 06:47.29 | mrp | mrp: |
| 06:48.11 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: probably. it does use hildon file selector. |
| 06:48.45 | qwerty12 | You could make another ext2/3 partition, leaving the 1st one as FAT and store important data on there |
| 06:50.39 | Khertan_n810 | yep but i use important data many times a day with hildon file selector |
| 06:51.04 | Khertan_n810 | so if hildon file selector don t see the card it ll be a problem |
| 06:51.43 | Khertan_n810 | is there a bug in bugzilla |
| 06:51.44 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 06:52.32 | Khertan_n810 | anyway thx for help |
| 06:52.35 | mrp | anybody managed to get deblet port to 770 work? |
| 06:52.40 | Khertan_n810 | i ll keep vfat |
| 06:53.25 | Khertan_n810 | but i ll backup it and reformat it :) |
| 06:53.50 | Khertan_n810 | thx |
| 06:54.20 | bef0rd | I don't like hildon file selector :/ |
| 06:54.45 | Khertan_n810 | yep me too |
| 06:55.00 | Khertan_n810 | but gtk one on maemo is difficult to use |
| 06:55.05 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 06:55.10 | bef0rd | true that. |
| 06:55.18 | Khertan_n810 | i m arriving at office |
| 06:55.23 | bef0rd | bye Khertan_n810. |
| 06:55.26 | Khertan_n810 | have a good day |
| 06:55.33 | Khertan_n810 | and again thx for help |
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| 07:05.56 | baaba | erf, where do i get theoradec for gstreamer again? |
| 07:10.25 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 07:10.53 | baaba | i was pretty sure it came with some dep for ogg-support but apparently not :( |
| 07:18.08 | kulve | it did in the past |
| 07:18.48 | kulve | I dropped all extra from the latest release because I had troubles to get even that working |
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| 07:30.18 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:31.46 | solmumaha | morning |
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| 07:48.25 | RST38h | moo, Jaffa |
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| 10:17.22 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: duke cd version and shareware levels are now in extras-devel |
| 10:20.01 | solmumaha | great, i'll test them today |
| 10:21.05 | solmumaha | i wonder if shadowwarrior is good enough for extras |
| 10:21.10 | mikkov_ | I haven't tested cd version at all |
| 10:22.46 | solmumaha | you own duke3d? |
| 10:22.55 | mikkov_ | no |
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| 11:14.00 | lcuk | apt-get uninstall tooth |
| 11:14.37 | lardman | apt-cache search dentist |
| 11:14.50 | lardman | apt-cache search pliers |
| 11:19.41 | MangoFusion | shutdown -h now |
| 11:24.40 | Jaffa | also undentists. Still got all my teeth, but concern over "small ulcers" on gums in my otherwise good mouth. |
| 11:25.38 | lardman | Jaffa: not enough alcohol to kill any bacteria in the mouth ;) |
| 11:25.40 | lcuk | [ESCAPE] [ESCAPE] [CTRL+f4] [poserkey] |
| 11:25.47 | lcuk | powerkey^ |
| 11:25.55 | Jaffa | lardman: I like that idea :) |
| 11:25.58 | johnx | ah, the poserkey? |
| 11:26.04 | Jaffa | is migrained up at the moment, so probably won't help |
| 11:26.10 | lcuk | :( |
| 11:26.23 | johnx | presses the poserkey, is suddenly dressed like a boyband member |
| 11:29.13 | aquatix | lets some of his female friends scream hyterically at johnx |
| 11:30.06 | johnx | presses the button again, disables PoserLock |
| 11:30.26 | aquatix | ah, not interested in groupies? |
| 11:30.43 | johnx | just leads to awkwardness, and VD O_o |
| 11:34.07 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:35.14 | lcuk | johnx, tsk tsk groupies are fine as long as you install a firewall andrun a virus scan occasionally |
| 11:35.30 | aquatix | indeed |
| 11:35.49 | aquatix | might grow boring after a while, but it sure is fun for a while ;) |
| 11:35.57 | johnx | even the best firewalls will get 0wned by a sufficiently skeery virus |
| 11:36.06 | lcuk | only boring if you stick to the same groupie |
| 11:36.29 | macoute_ | johnx: ... though I havent seen a real-life example of that happening to iptables :P |
| 11:36.38 | lcuk | like fine wines, you should take a sip from lots of glasses |
| 11:36.59 | johnx | lcuk, aren't you supposed to spit afterwards? |
| 11:37.15 | lcuk | no, but she can |
| 11:37.17 | lcuk | :O |
| 11:37.28 | aquatix | *g* |
| 11:38.03 | johnx | pictures lcuk's female partner spitting on him :P |
| 11:38.20 | macoute_ | johnx: have you, btw? |
| 11:38.23 | lcuk | hey - i marked that album as private! |
| 11:38.54 | aquatix | lcuk: indeed you did |
| 11:39.39 | lcuk | i actually dont understand that mentality you know: having an online photo album but setting it as private. if you dont want people seeing your pictures, dont upload them in the first place |
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| 11:39.56 | macoute_ | lcuk: :) thats kinda true |
| 11:40.26 | macoute_ | and you shouldnt upload yor private pictures to a place with such an EULA as those places usually have |
| 11:40.46 | johnx | eh, I just set pics of other people as private in my flickr album |
| 11:41.17 | johnx | I don't see it as 100% security so much as avoiding being the low hanging fruit |
| 11:41.39 | lcuk | johnx, but havent most of these photo sharing websites had hacking incidents where their albums become public |
| 11:41.40 | johnx | macoute_, no btw, due more to luck in my younger days than anything else |
| 11:41.41 | aquatix | lcuk: why not? maybe such software has login functionality, so you can share pics with family/friends and such? |
| 11:41.53 | aquatix | lcuk: fair enough |
| 11:42.09 | lcuk | heh aquatix, its not just a silly thing |
| 11:42.16 | johnx | lcuk, sure, but and if that happens I'll shrug. I don't expect 100% privacy, just reasonable measures |
| 11:42.20 | johnx | <- pragmatist |
| 11:42.22 | RST38h | ehlo, lcuk, johnx, aquatix |
| 11:42.23 | lcuk | there was a huge archive of myspace photos recently wasnt there |
| 11:43.23 | aquatix | hey RST38h |
| 11:43.32 | lcuk | johnx, i think you use it not for privacy, but for common courtesy - its people that upload actually private images of people in compromising situations |
| 11:43.34 | lcuk | hiya RST38h |
| 11:43.35 | johnx | RST38h, ohai |
| 11:43.47 | aquatix | if i want to share private pics, i show them on one of my devices, or burn a dvd-r |
| 11:43.48 | johnx | lcuk, essentially yes |
| 11:43.52 | aquatix | or cdrom |
| 11:44.02 | johnx | "privacy" is a big grey area |
| 11:44.26 | aquatix | lcuk: yeah, they could better sell those pics to those `amateur nude' sites |
| 11:44.46 | lcuk | i just encode pics as base64 and push to random irc channels |
| 11:45.34 | aquatix | oh, so that's that random line noise you're spewing |
| 11:45.43 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:45.49 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 11:45.56 | lcuk | thats why my word count is so high |
| 11:45.57 | aquatix | thought it was english |
| 11:46.09 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 11:46.31 | johnx | aquatix, I think english is largely indistinguishable from line noise for the most part... |
| 11:46.42 | lcuk | yeah, well i use ascenography :) |
| 11:46.46 | aquatix | johnx: so true |
| 11:48.41 | lcuk | so whats happenin scene wise then, anything new and exciting to look at? |
| 11:49.05 | lcuk | quite likes the idea of this video streaming thingy |
| 11:49.43 | RST38h | wonders whether he should debug the remote play feature to liven things up |
| 11:50.42 | lcuk | remote play - of the movie thing, or your games? |
| 11:50.59 | RST38h | games |
| 11:51.36 | lcuk | wicked, by remote play do you mean ip to ip |
| 11:51.42 | RST38h | yes |
| 11:51.47 | RST38h | it is already implemented too |
| 11:51.51 | RST38h | just needs debugging |
| 11:52.04 | lcuk | yeah, but dont firewalls and general NAT type problems get in the way |
| 11:52.21 | RST38h | they do: at least one side has to have a valid open ip address |
| 11:52.24 | johnx | lcuk, that's what she said |
| 11:53.05 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:54.28 | RST38h | OIL $68.50 hehe |
| 11:54.41 | johnx | isn't that down a bit from a while ago? |
| 11:55.22 | RST38h | Yea, like 50% down |
| 11:55.29 | johnx | heh |
| 11:55.40 | RST38h | expects cheap airline tickets now |
| 11:55.41 | johnx | ah the wonders of supply and demand |
| 11:55.49 | johnx | gah. I already bought mine :/ |
| 11:56.15 | RST38h | Delta owes me a free ticket from Europe to US and back |
| 11:56.28 | johnx | just googled for a handy oil prices chart and got linked to an article from 2000 about oil prices soaring to $30 |
| 11:56.37 | Sts|office | johnx: my beagleboard finally works \o/ |
| 11:56.43 | Sts|office | (now to put deblet on it..) |
| 11:56.49 | johnx | Sts|office, w00t! |
| 11:56.57 | johnx | I'm looking at gpe/matchbox |
| 11:57.04 | Sts|office | turns out it was a cable problem |
| 11:57.05 | johnx | it flies on my n800 since it frees up so much RAM |
| 11:57.14 | johnx | ah the best kind of problem |
| 11:57.34 | Sts|office | seems like my old mobo connector was miswired, so |
| 11:58.17 | ShadowJK_ | miswired how? |
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| 11:59.21 | Sts|office | ShadowJK_: up/down switched or something |
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| 12:01.48 | RST38h | johnx: ah, that was the time... |
| 12:02.21 | johnx | RST38h, I drove so. damn. much. in the summer of 2000 |
| 12:03.38 | johnx | Sts|office, up/down switched? did you have it upside down? :P |
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| 12:04.58 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 12:05.14 | johnx | hi Andy80 |
| 12:05.34 | RST38h | johnx: so, it was YOU who caused the spike in demand for the oil? =) |
| 12:05.58 | Sts|office | johnx: well the electronics workshop here rewired my connector, it seems |
| 12:06.00 | Sts|office | not sure what they did |
| 12:06.09 | Andy80 | since os upgrade is totally broken (flash plugin, maemo documentation ecc...), I've to re-flash the device. The latest available firmware is this: RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, isn't there any newer firmware? |
| 12:06.24 | Sts|office | RX-44? |
| 12:06.25 | Andy80 | do I have to install that and then use the OTA upgrade? |
| 12:06.28 | Sts|office | oh, right, nm |
| 12:06.29 | ShadowJK_ | does beagleboard have reverse polarity protection? |
| 12:06.31 | johnx | RST38h, nah. I was driving an 82 honda accord(ian). I was getting 30 miles/gallon :P |
| 12:06.42 | Andy80 | Sts|office: I've N810 |
| 12:06.59 | Sts|office | Andy80: windows updater may have more recent one |
| 12:07.03 | RST38h | weeps remembering '82 Accord |
| 12:07.08 | RST38h | [never drove it though] |
| 12:07.12 | Sts|office | ShadowJK_: no clue, it i didn't break it |
| 12:07.22 | johnx | RST38h, fond rememberance? or utter hate? |
| 12:07.35 | Andy80 | Sts|office: if I don't want or I cannot use windows, can I install 2008.23 and then use the OTA upgrade? |
| 12:07.37 | ShadowJK_ | beagleboard looks cute, I want one, but I don't know what I'd use it for :) |
| 12:07.57 | johnx | Andy80, yes. normally the upgrade process works fine. |
| 12:08.17 | ShadowJK_ | are there any gl drivers for linux for beagle... |
| 12:08.22 | RST38h | johnx: rather fond rememberance: it was produced *before* all those idiots decided that all 90s cars should look like Ford Taurus |
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| 12:08.44 | RST38h | So, '82 Accord still looked like a car, not like a mobile sofa |
| 12:09.27 | NeoWatch | morning guys... my n800 seems it has a hardware issue... it keeps scrolling down by it self so i guess i have to send it to the waranty right? |
| 12:09.50 | RST38h | Sounds like the directional pad is broken |
| 12:09.55 | johnx | ShadowJK_, I believe so, opengl es2 |
| 12:10.08 | gomiam | NeoWatch: ? that has happened sometimes. Have you tried clicking all the arrows repeatedly ;-) |
| 12:10.08 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, I loved that thing. it never died either... |
| 12:10.08 | NeoWatch | RST38h talking to me bud? |
| 12:10.22 | NeoWatch | which arrows gomiam ? |
| 12:10.29 | Andy80 | johnx: can you load this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ? it's empty for me :( |
| 12:10.35 | RST38h | johnx: neither Hondas nor Toyotas die. They wear out like slippers. |
| 12:10.51 | solmumaha | Andy80: refresh it |
| 12:11.01 | RST38h | Although you can probably kill a Honda if its timing belt breaks... |
| 12:11.02 | johnx | empty here too |
| 12:11.12 | johnx | RST38h, ek1 wasn't interference, IIRC |
| 12:11.16 | aquatix | RST38h: slippers wear out pretty fast here ;) |
| 12:11.34 | Andy80 | solmumaha: I'm trying but it doesn't load, it's a blank page |
| 12:11.50 | gomiam | NeoWatch: well, the buttons that you use to move around. |
| 12:11.53 | RST38h | johnx: they added this (mis)feature later? |
| 12:12.11 | solmumaha | Andy80: worked for me |
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| 12:18.32 | NeoWatch | gomiam hold on let me try |
| 12:18.48 | gomiam | NeoWatch: ok |
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| 12:21.32 | NeoWatch | what pisses me off is that i just bought it 2 month a go and i got to the point that i depend on it so much that i feel like a drug addict now without it |
| 12:21.43 | NeoWatch | hmmm weird... i turned it on and looks fine now |
| 12:21.45 | NeoWatch | !!!! |
| 12:23.17 | gomiam | XD |
| 12:24.04 | gomiam | Murphy's law corollary: some random person who is just passing by will find the solution to the problem after everybody else has spent hours thinking about it ;-) |
| 12:24.17 | NeoWatch | i think the repositories are very limitted and the device too... hopefully someday it will develop more features |
| 12:24.36 | gomiam | are the repositories limited? How so, NeoWatch? |
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| 12:25.09 | Sts|office | NeoWatch: maybe your screen protector is applied in the wrong way |
| 12:25.14 | Sts|office | i had similar issue |
| 12:30.26 | Sts|office | johnx: btw i found methods we may use to determine how bad deblet is at keeping battery, - ondemand cpufreq keeps statistics over how long time it spends in each cpu freq, and also using iostat and such |
| 12:30.34 | Sts|office | i have some stats waiting to be analyzed |
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| 12:32.50 | Sts|office | and vmstat, since it counts idle cycles |
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| 12:52.06 | lopz | hola |
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| 12:52.39 | sampo | hello |
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| 12:53.13 | sampo | is it possible somehow to change font size inside gtk combobox ? if is, how ? |
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| 13:07.27 | inz | sampo, static void _smaller_text(gpointer cell, gpointer user_data) { g_object_set(cell, "scale", (gdouble)0.75, "scale-set", TRUE, NULL); } ... GList *cells = gtk_cell_layout_get_cells(GTK_CELL_LAYOUT(combo)); g_list_foreach(cells, _smaller_text, NULL); g_list_free(cells); |
| 13:07.33 | inz | sampo, or something similar might work |
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| 13:33.13 | Jaffa | BTW, anyone who was sponsored for the summit: have you been reimbursed yet? |
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| 13:36.57 | X-Fade | http://vimeo.com/1981468 |
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| 14:47.23 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, ping. |
| 14:49.49 | whodat | getting 'proxy authentication error' when trying to use the internet call, any ideas? |
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| 14:57.20 | Jaffa | whodat: Silly question - are you behind an authenticated proxy? |
| 14:58.33 | whodat | yeah, but i entered the proxy user/pass |
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| 14:59.23 | Jaffa | And browser works? |
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| 14:59.37 | Jaffa | Could be a bug in the Internet Call app not handling proxy auth properly |
| 15:00.04 | Robot101 | I didn't even realise that was an error |
| 15:00.11 | Robot101 | whodat: when does it happen specifically? |
| 15:00.17 | Robot101 | whodat: are you using SIP or GTalk? |
| 15:01.08 | whodat | SIP |
| 15:01.27 | whodat | yeah i think its a bug, doesnt like this proxy server or something |
| 15:01.53 | whodat | i use the same user/pass on another SIP client, it works |
| 15:03.00 | whodat | robot: i saw the error after you told me how to turn logging on a few days ago |
| 15:04.25 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: the irony is that the flash thing is so horridly horridly easy I don't understand why noone has done it yet. |
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| 15:05.00 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: (it works under deblet, enough said?) |
| 15:05.59 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: :) |
| 15:06.56 | qwerty12 | Hrm, anyone want to fix a dodgy patch? |
| 15:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | I wish we could have just one more line in the application menu. |
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| 15:19.22 | qwerty12 | Here's what I've got so far. http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/nokia_suck_dick_with_their_legal_bullshit.png . I can save and load the value successfully, but my problem comes in with the way I'm integrating that value when it comes to the actual install part. But I can't program anyway so if I cant figure it out, I don't give a shit :) |
| 15:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | Ha. . . . |
| 15:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | What about Red Pill and the settings dialog? |
| 15:20.19 | Jaffa | Isn't that the Red Pill settings dialogue? |
| 15:20.40 | qwerty12 | That is the red pill settings dialog. I figure it would go in nokia's favour if a person has to do a "hack" to disable it |
| 15:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | The settings dialog doesn't appear under Blue Pill anymore in Diablo. |
| 15:20.46 | Jaffa | If so, using Red Pill mode to hide the setting is going to encourage *more* Red Pill use, when we're trying to minimise it ;-) |
| 15:21.13 | qwerty12 | Shouldn't be hard to bring it back, I figure even me (who isn't a programmer) can bring it back :) |
| 15:21.30 | GeneralAntilles | The Red Pill check needs to be moved from the dialog to the individual settings. |
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| 15:30.47 | GeneralAntilles | More nonsense from tz. . . . |
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| 15:32.44 | Sts|office | GeneralAntilles: you basically put in a uimage + linux kernel on fat partition and did standard linux boot when you did deblet on beagle i assume? |
| 15:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 15:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | I was using TI's reference kernel |
| 15:33.15 | GeneralAntilles | since it's the only one that works reliably with OTG at the moment. |
| 15:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | Just yanked Ångstrom's bootargs and changed the partition. |
| 15:33.42 | GeneralAntilles | Worked fine. |
| 15:34.00 | GeneralAntilles | You'll also need to put the appropriate MLO on the card. |
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| 15:35.09 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 15:35.20 | Stskeeps | glances over at the beagleboard |
| 15:35.24 | Stskeeps | -finally- got a serial conn |
| 15:35.43 | Stskeeps | turns out those yanking from mobo about connector doesn't always work :P |
| 15:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you can just move pins around on the DB9 port. |
| 15:37.20 | Stskeeps | yeah, the electronics shop at uni patched it up (had someone else do the initial work stuff to get cables and such :P) |
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| 15:40.42 | Stskeeps | i saw earlier that atom boards are cheaper than beagles.. that was kinda frightening |
| 15:40.57 | Stskeeps | (with cpu |
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| 15:44.11 | Stskeeps | ok. play with two very cheap ipaq 3630 i got, beagleboard, or 770 port problems. |
| 15:44.34 | Stskeeps | .. or deblet |
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| 15:48.06 | NeoWatch | guys where can i get more repositories for my n800 ? |
| 15:49.32 | Stskeeps | extras and maybe extras-devel (and tools) are all you should optimally need |
| 15:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 15:49.47 | infobot | it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 15:49.51 | qwerty12 | Having more repositories will not make your n800 more pimped. The question you should be asking is where can I find a package if it's not in extras or extras-devel |
| 15:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, economies of scale and all that. ;) |
| 15:50.10 | GeneralAntilles | Atom is essentially a really shitty x86, while OMAP3 is a top-of-the-line ARM. ;) |
| 15:51.06 | Stskeeps | true |
| 15:52.11 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, an Atom doesn't have any awesome factor. |
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| 15:53.25 | Stskeeps | we might switch on work to that (sadly) as we hoped to be able to do wifi ap using usb or the likes.. powered usb didn't matter, but current support in linux is .. shite, SDIO was also an option |
| 15:53.42 | Stskeeps | there's libertas but can't find any actual sdio with it on |
| 15:54.32 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 15:55.11 | Stskeeps | we're basically trying to create a low cost infrastructure for pervasive computing in the home, for healthcare purpose |
| 15:55.14 | Stskeeps | s |
| 15:55.39 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just an off-the-shelf router? |
| 15:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta be cheaper than rolling your own. |
| 15:55.50 | NeoWatch | qwerty12 i see... the thing is i find the N800 like too simple... like when u have a some food and its missing salt and pepper... the food is in there but its missing that nice extra taste |
| 15:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | Thus: |
| 15:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 15:56.04 | infobot | extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 15:56.23 | NeoWatch | i am about to throw this damn itouch trought the windows... it connect online everywhere except home |
| 15:56.33 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but we're hoping to include stuff like s-video for training videos and such too.. |
| 15:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | or http://downloads.maemo.org if you want screenshots |
| 15:56.38 | Stskeeps | and that's better in same box |
| 15:56.47 | Stskeeps | and we did start out with off the shelf routers |
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| 16:02.21 | johnx | NeoWatch, for excitement look up extras and extras-devel and then start lurking on ITT in the apps section |
| 16:02.41 | whodat | Robot101? |
| 16:02.58 | johnx | Stskeeps, rolling your own router-ish thing? it just needs wifi AP and s-video out, right? |
| 16:03.02 | Robot101 | whodat: hm? |
| 16:03.17 | Robot101 | whodat: can you save the whole tp-sofiasip log into a file and put it somewhere? |
| 16:03.37 | Robot101 | whodat: mikhailz on #telepathy might be able to help you with it (he's the tp-sofiasip lead dev) |
| 16:03.42 | tiagoOM | Does anyone know how to browse available services of a bluetooth connection on maemo? I want to do the same as 'sdptool browse $MAC' does on Ubuntu. Is there sdptool for Maemo? If yes, in which package? |
| 16:03.43 | Robot101 | (oh he's offline atm) |
| 16:03.52 | whodat | robot101: yaeh.. i have it on pastebin already but i forget what the url is lol... cant seem to find a way to search for it |
| 16:03.52 | johnx | Stskeeps, I assume you've heard of the neuros OSD? |
| 16:04.47 | whodat | robot: okay I will try to hit him up tonight after work. |
| 16:04.49 | qwerty12 | tiagoOM: sdptest is in bluez-utils-test |
| 16:05.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: wifi AP, s-video and .. maybe usb |
| 16:05.14 | Stskeeps | usb important |
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| 16:05.46 | whodat | thx robot |
| 16:05.55 | johnx | Stskeeps, and have you found an acceptable wifi adapter that can be plugged into usb? |
| 16:06.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: not that works with wifi ap mode :P |
| 16:06.12 | johnx | sad |
| 16:06.12 | Stskeeps | the usb is for 3g really |
| 16:06.22 | Stskeeps | well it exists but the drivers are shady |
| 16:06.27 | johnx | completely by accident my wifi cf card has host ability |
| 16:06.41 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, find a way to get the company to pay for developing some real drivers? :P |
| 16:07.07 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm |
| 16:07.38 | Stskeeps | johnx: looks interesting though |
| 16:08.01 | johnx | just one more community to follow, and one more gadget to learn about :P |
| 16:08.13 | Stskeeps | hey, i'm already in many boats :P |
| 16:08.22 | whodat | does anyone make a usb adapter for the n810 with the female end.. without having to use a long cable.. |
| 16:09.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: fully hackable box? |
| 16:09.44 | johnx | http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/Neuros_OSD |
| 16:09.48 | johnx | pretty hackable, yeah |
| 16:09.55 | johnx | I think there might be a closed driver or two? |
| 16:10.12 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 16:21.58 | tiagoOM | thanks qwerty12 |
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| 16:47.01 | smoe | hello! |
| 16:47.16 | johnx | hi |
| 16:47.36 | smoe | i'm a new user of the N810 and i have problems installing openssh via deb-files |
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| 16:47.51 | qwerty12 | It's in a repo :) |
| 16:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | Just grab it from Extras. |
| 16:47.55 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 16:47.56 | infobot | hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 16:49.42 | smoe | here i have no wlan, so i downloaded the deb-files and copied them via usb on the nokia. when i doubleclick the file openssh-common... it says "application incompatible.." or so |
| 16:50.05 | qwerty12 | dpkg -i them. you'll need root |
| 16:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | dpkg -i <path to .deb> |
| 16:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh |
| 16:50.12 | infobot | rumour has it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 16:50.30 | smoe | rootsh ... ok i try |
| 16:50.31 | qwerty12 | also, I think they depend on each other so install the debs at the same time with the one dpkg line |
| 16:50.58 | smoe | no, when i try openssh-client is explicitly says 'depends on openssh-common' |
| 16:51.24 | qwerty12 | exactly. install openssh-common and openssh-client at the same time |
| 16:52.11 | smoe | i cant without root privileges and i need internet for installing rootsh (?) and i need openssh for internet via usb :-/ |
| 16:52.42 | qwerty12 | lol... save this one to a memory card: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb . Install via application manager |
| 16:53.05 | smoe | ok, thanks :) i 'll try.. |
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| 16:54.34 | johnx | are you sure you need openssh for usb networking? |
| 16:55.29 | smoe | so the howto says |
| 16:55.47 | johnx | this one? http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 16:56.17 | qwerty12 | nay, no ssh mention there |
| 16:56.22 | smoe | oh, an new one... |
| 16:56.23 | GeneralAntilles | nominates qwerty12 to clean up that article. |
| 16:56.56 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: I honestly would offer but I don't even use USB Networking as I can't get it to work. I'm a g_serial fan |
| 16:57.15 | smoe | what the... |
| 16:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks for the other cleanup, by the way. :) |
| 16:57.46 | slonopotamus | so. i've built svn with deps on my n800. in right world that would be enough. however. for various reasons packages fail to build on autobuilder. so i need to continue hacking. this is ugly. main package goal is to work on device, not to build in broken emulator. |
| 16:58.40 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: No problems, thanks :). I'll try and add appropriate things where needed, though I don't know much (read: any) wiki syntax and my grammar can be dodgy :/ |
| 16:58.44 | slonopotamus | good emulator - emulator that is indistinguishable from original device |
| 16:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, bookmark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet |
| 16:59.46 | slonopotamus | this makes me sad |
| 17:00.03 | GeneralAntilles | I still think they should get some Beagles or overos for the autobuilder. |
| 17:00.07 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Ah! A quick look tells me this will be very useful indeed, thanks! |
| 17:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | still mixes up internal and external link syntax. |
| 17:01.05 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, heh...that's what debian does |
| 17:01.26 | GeneralAntilles | For their builder? |
| 17:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | What Mojo does. |
| 17:01.50 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, yup, all debian autobuilders are real machines |
| 17:02.03 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, they have the m68k port built on millions of little m68ks |
| 17:02.29 | slonopotamus | one day i'll port gentoo on n8x0 and sdk hell will end. |
| 17:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 17:03.17 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's halfway between funny and insane. The poor little m68ks have real issues keeping up with people uploading new source |
| 17:03.54 | johnx | slonopotamus, or you could just use debian ... and not have to worry about things constantly needing to be compiled |
| 17:05.27 | slonopotamus | i'm ok using gentoo on desktop and servers. maybe using it on tablet is not-so-bad idea? :) |
| 17:05.55 | johnx | slonopotamus, sure, depends on how much time you have on your hands and whether you want to use your tablet or watch it compile things |
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| 17:07.53 | ShadowJK_ | maybe it could compile in a background xterm |
| 17:08.06 | ShadowJK_ | and suspend compiling if not on external power |
| 17:08.50 | johnx | which doesn't solve one of my core requirements: instant gratification. :) |
| 17:09.35 | slonopotamus | i spend much time away from desktop, but with tablet. so destop sdk is a poor choice |
| 17:09.59 | johnx | then debian on the tablet is a perfect choice :) |
| 17:10.20 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://nosocomia.com:8099/blog/index.html <- person who tried gentoo on tablet :P |
| 17:11.09 | slonopotamus | maemo xchat sucks. no copy/paste |
| 17:11.18 | GeneralAntilles | Copy/paste works fine here. . . . |
| 17:11.38 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 17:11.48 | slonopotamus | it copies on selection |
| 17:11.54 | slonopotamus | sorry then |
| 17:12.26 | ShadowJK_ | can anyone else copy from the address line in microb? I can't, I can select it, but when I lift stylus, selection goes away :) |
| 17:12.35 | ShadowJK_ | It used to pop up with the address selected :/ |
| 17:13.53 | johnx | Stskeeps, interesting. I didn't know anyone got that far |
| 17:14.01 | slonopotamus | selecting is enough. it's in clipboard. |
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| 17:14.41 | ShadowJK_ | slonopotamus, not with microb |
| 17:14.51 | Stskeeps | johnx: think he went slowly mad if you read it closer |
| 17:14.58 | Stskeeps | but it's still interesting |
| 17:15.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, it is. "There but for the grace of god..." and all that |
| 17:15.51 | qwerty12 | Gentoo drives you to the point of madness. That's why there is debian. :) |
| 17:16.32 | slonopotamus | hey |
| 17:16.35 | bematic1 | ehlo |
| 17:16.38 | slonopotamus | i'm not mad |
| 17:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | itt |
| 17:17.01 | bematic1 | i'm currently trying to chat using irc protocol with my n810 |
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| 17:17.26 | bematic1 | i'm currently using rtcom beta |
| 17:17.39 | GeneralAntilles | XChat from Extras-devel is better. |
| 17:17.45 | johnx | qwerty12, I didn't hear of it until after debian, hence my current allegiances |
| 17:17.47 | bematic1 | i'm connected to freenode |
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| 17:17.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: then again, he would have a fully optimized dist :P |
| 17:17.55 | sp3000 | clearly |
| 17:17.57 | bematic1 | but i can't configure a contact to chat with |
| 17:18.08 | bematic1 | do you know an issue for ? |
| 17:18.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, gentoo is madness. check out angstrom before that |
| 17:18.29 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, that man is strange. why does he need scratchbox at all? |
| 17:18.30 | johnx | Stskeeps, or poky |
| 17:18.31 | Stskeeps | johnx: i have seen gentoo completely and utterly wreck a server, so, not again |
| 17:18.45 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: cos building on your qemu emu is not fast |
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| 17:19.05 | Stskeeps | i really should try with a matching gcc distcc + qemu |
| 17:19.08 | Stskeeps | and see how sane it is |
| 17:19.28 | qwerty12 | cross compiling the "normal" way drives me mad :) |
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| 17:20.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: capn_fish or someone came up with the idea of taking a qemu armel box, and DISTCC'ing to a codesourcery chain in PATH on a desktop machine |
| 17:20.38 | Stskeeps | acheiving faster compiling but true emulation too |
| 17:20.45 | Stskeeps | so no scratchbox insanities |
| 17:20.56 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why qemu at all? crosscompile base system, boot and build everything on tablet directly |
| 17:21.17 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus: compiling on tablet is slow. sometimes, watchdog jumps in tood |
| 17:21.18 | johnx | ha! then you could renice qemu to make it behave :) |
| 17:21.22 | qwerty12 | s/tood/too/ |
| 17:21.48 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: what qwerty12 said |
| 17:21.54 | johnx | qwerty12, with enough swap, you'll never see watchdog, but yes, terrifyingly slow |
| 17:22.03 | Stskeeps | i prefer a qemu cos it's like 50% faster than my tablet |
| 17:22.10 | johnx | slonopotamus, I think you vastly underestimate how slow we're talking about |
| 17:22.23 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: though, if you distcc, you -could- do it on tablet |
| 17:22.27 | Stskeeps | admittedly |
| 17:22.39 | Stskeeps | so it takes the hard cc jobs other place |
| 17:22.46 | johnx | configure, linking, installing would still take a long time |
| 17:22.47 | slonopotamus | man, i saw your qemu running 200x slower then my n800 on libdb build |
| 17:22.47 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: but then there's the whole "sdk packages don't belong on tablet" |
| 17:22.56 | GeneralAntilles | "your" |
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| 17:23.03 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, we're not maemo.org :) |
| 17:23.19 | bematic | yes it's working |
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| 17:23.44 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i'm not speaking of scratchbox qemu insanity |
| 17:23.55 | Stskeeps | i'm speaking fully emulated qemu |
| 17:24.03 | Stskeeps | not running apps, but a whole os |
| 17:24.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:24.03 | slonopotamus | i _don't_ have much time at desktop. wife, children, etc. so slow is better than nothing. |
| 17:24.29 | slonopotamus | and slow is better than broken emylation |
| 17:24.30 | johnx | slonopotamus, if you had a choice would you take fast over slow? |
| 17:25.05 | slonopotamus | fast or compatible but slow ;) |
| 17:25.11 | Stskeeps | while on the fly you could always unset your DISTCC variables |
| 17:25.21 | slonopotamus | i prefer compatibility |
| 17:25.23 | bematic | /list |
| 17:25.40 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i'm not sure what your argument is |
| 17:25.59 | johnx | slonopotamus, debian is faster and more compatible :) |
| 17:26.23 | johnx | especially if you have to start with an armv4l distro |
| 17:26.50 | johnx | (in gentoo I mean) |
| 17:27.17 | slonopotamus | building and running in one env is more stable than having two envs, one for building and one for running |
| 17:27.37 | qwerty12 | lcuk: btw, if I could get screenshots of liqbase, would you be interested? |
| 17:27.48 | slonopotamus | i'm building fresh cross-system |
| 17:27.55 | johnx | slonopotamus, I'm booted into debian on my n800 *right now.* I totally agree with you |
| 17:28.12 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: if you find a good way to optimize base debian system i'm all ears |
| 17:28.55 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what optimizations you need? size? |
| 17:29.09 | slonopotamus | johnx, deblet? |
| 17:29.13 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: armv5/v6 optimization, not armv4t |
| 17:29.16 | johnx | slonopotamus, yup |
| 17:29.23 | Stskeeps | so see if it works better |
| 17:29.33 | slonopotamus | johnx, can it build? |
| 17:29.37 | johnx | slonopotamus, oh yes |
| 17:29.40 | johnx | very much so |
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| 17:30.36 | johnx | having done several days worth of compiles I am in a unique position to imagine how long it will take to bootstrap gentoo on one of these things |
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| 17:31.32 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, forget about armv4t. i'm going to do fresh crosscompile. |
| 17:31.40 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:31.53 | Stskeeps | i'll be interested to see if it really have any benefits |
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| 17:32.06 | slonopotamus | maybe i'll fail. but i have a right and will to try ;) |
| 17:32.11 | johnx | slonopotamus, if you'd turn on VFP at the same time, that would be interesting too :) |
| 17:32.14 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:32.19 | Stskeeps | (ignoring 770s for now..) |
| 17:32.23 | johnx | I think that's where the biggest speed-up is to be had |
| 17:32.33 | johnx | Stskeeps, 770s are well served by debian eabi |
| 17:32.55 | slonopotamus | jonhx, what option enables it? |
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| 17:33.18 | orangey | hey all! |
| 17:33.21 | johnx | hmm... |
| 17:33.23 | johnx | hi orangey |
| 17:33.35 | orangey | I'm having significant trouble getting SIP to work on an n810. Any help pages on configuring various services? |
| 17:33.38 | slonopotamus | jonhx, i'm thinking of arm-none-linux-gnueabi target. |
| 17:33.47 | orangey | for example, neither callcentric nor wengo are working out for me. |
| 17:34.06 | trickie | slonopotamus: you gonna build a stage1 on the tablet? |
| 17:34.50 | trickie | slonopotamus: if you do, can i have one? :) |
| 17:35.15 | slonopotamus | trickie, first goal is to crosscompile bootable stage. if i do that, everything will be possible on tablet |
| 17:36.26 | qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus, -mfpu=vfp as a cflag |
| 17:36.27 | trickie | slonopotamus: have you got very far? a toolchain? |
| 17:36.28 | johnx | slonopotamus, this seems relevant: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/ |
| 17:36.28 | trickie | i tried with a toolchain i built with crossdev, and didn't get very far |
| 17:36.32 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: feel free to steal any tricks from deblet to get stuff showing (.. credited obviously), all source is at http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/ |
| 17:37.02 | Stskeeps | if you succeed in compiling :P |
| 17:37.29 | slonopotamus | trickie, i have almost complete 'system' (without perl). gonna try to boot on this weekend. |
| 17:37.36 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: if it's gentoo you're going for.. debian optimized is still interesting though |
| 17:37.46 | trickie | slonopotamus: nice |
| 17:37.54 | slonopotamus | johnx, thanks for link |
| 17:38.43 | slonopotamus | trickie, anyway, if i'll have any progress, will post on itt |
| 17:39.55 | NeoWatch | guys where i can get a good radio application for my n800? |
| 17:40.01 | Stskeeps | "fm radio"? :P |
| 17:40.09 | Stskeeps | (which is decent, imho) |
| 17:40.12 | slonopotamus | ;) |
| 17:40.50 | qwerty12_N800 | prefers mediabox. fmradio has more features but at least connecting a bluetooth headset still works |
| 17:41.08 | NeoWatch | is it only mine or the n800 use the headphones as antenna? cuz i cant get any reception |
| 17:41.27 | trickie | slonopotamus: ok, cool... good luck! |
| 17:41.34 | GeneralAntilles | Headphones are antenna. |
| 17:41.41 | NeoWatch | ohh ok |
| 17:41.54 | NeoWatch | i need to get me a small keyboard and a bluetooth headset for it |
| 17:41.57 | slonopotamus | qwerty, 'Looks like the default for -mfpu is vfp and the default for -mfloat-abi is soft.' |
| 17:42.09 | slonopotamus | qwerty, so defaults are ok? |
| 17:43.15 | qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus, yep. they seem to be used by everyone & maemo policy manual mentions them |
| 17:43.38 | GeneralAntilles | NeoWatch, the Apple keyboard is nice if you don't need folding. |
| 17:43.53 | GeneralAntilles | NeoWatch, and I like the Plantronics headsets. |
| 17:43.59 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw 770 port is progressing nicely, seems like the steps are correct somewhat |
| 17:44.17 | orangey | anybody have maemo running successfully with callcentric? |
| 17:44.49 | slonopotamus | qwerty, then i'm building with vfp enabled |
| 17:45.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, sounds great! I bet gpe/matchbox would be nice and light for it |
| 17:46.27 | orangey | what's RTCOMM? |
| 17:46.34 | orangey | is that the stock SIP software with Maemo? |
| 17:46.40 | slonopotamus | btw |
| 17:47.05 | slonopotamus | i think i'll be able to use restriicted packages |
| 17:47.23 | GeneralAntilles | orangey, the communication framework. |
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| 17:47.49 | slonopotamus | because gentoo doesn't bundle them into ebuilds, so they will be downloaded from nokia repo |
| 17:47.57 | slonopotamus | ;) |
| 17:48.00 | orangey | GeneralAntilles: I'm trying to figure out where to get some help with regards to my sip accounts. |
| 17:48.15 | orangey | what should I be searching for? rtcomm? sofia? |
| 17:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | orangey, did you try the rtcomm beta? |
| 17:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | It adds a lot more account presets. |
| 17:50.35 | orangey | OK, I'd like to do that. Let me look around to see how to install the beta. brb |
| 17:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | The meta-package should be in Extras-devel. |
| 17:51.51 | orangey | what's red-pill mode, btw? |
| 17:51.53 | NeoWatch | hmm i installed the extra-devel and all my repositories dissapeared |
| 17:52.18 | johnx | orangey, it removes some restrictions on installing packages |
| 17:52.55 | johnx | orangey, so it sounds like "expert mode" but it can cause the app manager to choose the wrong packages if you leave it on while doing a system upgrade |
| 17:54.20 | orangey | ok. so I hve to be judicious, it sounds like |
| 17:54.23 | GeneralAntilles | Guess not everything is in Extras-devel yet. |
| 17:56.24 | slonopotamus | anyone wants svn & deps almost-buildable-in-scratchbox source packages? :) |
| 17:56.51 | orangey | so, does rtcomm support ICQ and so on, then? |
| 17:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 17:58.03 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, how? |
| 17:58.22 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, n800 emulation |
| 17:58.35 | orangey | GeneralAntilles: cool. |
| 17:58.50 | orangey | GeneralAntilles: a last question, then. is this sufficient: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:58.54 | orangey | or must I really do the beta? |
| 17:59.00 | lcuk | i was talkin to hrw at the summit and the emulator was not a total emulation and did not support xv |
| 17:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | Grabbing haze from the Collabora repo should do you. |
| 17:59.23 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, shit :(, my bad |
| 17:59.38 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I managed to get a bunch of repos removed from gronmayer btw. And more to come. |
| 17:59.42 | lcuk | dont worry, ill just have to write the png export, its required anyway |
| 17:59.47 | qole_ | so how do I take stuff out of the repos? What's the opposite of dput? |
| 18:00.16 | X-Fade | qole_: Ehm that is: "Mail the maintainer" :) |
| 18:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, keep on fighting the good fight. ;) |
| 18:00.35 | X-Fade | qole_: Or tell me to do it ;) |
| 18:01.11 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what did you mean by 'to get stuff showing'? |
| 18:01.22 | lcuk | evenin qole_ X-Fade btw |
| 18:01.27 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I really need some help on the categories battle. Can the council help me please? :) |
| 18:01.28 | lcuk | and gen+qwerty lol |
| 18:01.34 | X-Fade | hi lcuk. |
| 18:01.44 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, hi lcuk |
| 18:01.47 | qole_ | Well, it's my package. I can upload stuff with dput, but what if I want to erase a package? |
| 18:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'll rally the troops and make a blog post. |
| 18:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | See if that gets anything rolling. |
| 18:02.09 | slonopotamus | qole_, then you lost :) |
| 18:02.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: > |
| 18:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | qole_, don't upload it in the first place. ;) |
| 18:02.43 | X-Fade | https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories |
| 18:03.10 | X-Fade | qole_: Removing packages must be seen as a last resort. |
| 18:03.26 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: console, .. i can strongly recommend using my linuxrc bootmenu |
| 18:03.27 | qole_ | GeneralAntlles: helpful as always |
| 18:03.34 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: it makes things a lot easier :P |
| 18:03.39 | X-Fade | qole_: And only to be done for broken packages or things that violate someting. |
| 18:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | qole_, well that's the truth. |
| 18:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | :shrug: |
| 18:04.06 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what's the problem with console? |
| 18:04.23 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well on tablets console doesn't appear immediately but i think it's documented in that blog |
| 18:04.31 | Stskeeps | like, you have to load fbcon and such :P |
| 18:04.36 | Stskeeps | and set fb update modes |
| 18:04.52 | Stskeeps | then there's some tricks with avoiding some initfs crap |
| 18:04.58 | Stskeeps | (i recommend looking at deblet-boot-basics) |
| 18:05.02 | qole_ | X-Fade: so the repos just accumulate every version of every app ever uploaded? |
| 18:05.11 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ok, will look |
| 18:05.17 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, thanks a lot |
| 18:06.08 | X-Fade | qole_: Currently, yes. But normally there would be some automatic cleanup too. |
| 18:06.43 | X-Fade | qole_: The idea is to have a few versions (2 or 3) in the repo and remove the older ones. |
| 18:07.56 | lcuk | qole_, what did u upload? |
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| 18:08.20 | qole_ | I broke extras-devel for a few hours last week with a broken package, it would have been nice to be able to delete my package |
| 18:08.52 | lcuk | heh :D |
| 18:09.03 | lcuk | that was when you told it to install the world wasnt it |
| 18:09.11 | trickie | Stskeeps: or you can just build a kernel with the fb turned on and manual updates off |
| 18:09.19 | X-Fade | qole_: Well, it shouldn't have ended up in the repo. |
| 18:09.31 | X-Fade | qole_: We plan to do more tests and checks. |
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| 18:09.33 | qole_ | I found I could fix it by re-uploading a fixed pkg with the same version |
| 18:09.54 | X-Fade | qole_: No, that breaks it too. But in a different way. |
| 18:10.17 | GeneralAntilles | Always, always, always increment your version number. |
| 18:10.25 | X-Fade | That can cause the 'Size mismatch' errors. |
| 18:11.31 | qole_ | Long story, but I'm uploading my .deb to non-free because I have binary bits and some vala code from bundyo |
| 18:12.27 | X-Fade | 3v1l non-free |
| 18:12.42 | qole_ | I needed to fix my mistake; extras-devel was unusable; re-uploading fixed the repo |
| 18:13.15 | X-Fade | qole_: Yeah, for non-free there are other scripts as you bypass the autobuilder. |
| 18:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | qole_, talk to X-Fade if you break things. |
| 18:14.16 | X-Fade | But good that you started with extras-devel as that one is expected to break sometimes. |
| 18:14.24 | qole_ | since then, I've been incrementing the version, and my package is a good citizen :) |
| 18:15.33 | qole_ | of course I started with extras-devel; I'm ignorant enough that I was sure to break something! |
| 18:16.24 | X-Fade | That is the problem we have with non-free. If we offer it things can break more easily, if we don't: people go elsewhere. |
| 18:16.59 | X-Fade | So we must hope that people care enough to not break things all the time. |
| 18:17.19 | GeneralAntilles | konttori still needs to be harassed about UKMP |
| 18:17.28 | qole_ | so the official position on removing a package by myself is, "you can't"? |
| 18:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | He seems to have missed my email. |
| 18:17.36 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, that guy's main problem is that he started from an ancient stage i think. |
| 18:17.52 | X-Fade | qole_: Yes. For now. |
| 18:18.12 | johnx | slonopotamus, I think he was under the impression there wasn't a more recent one |
| 18:18.58 | qole_ | X-Fade: I suspect you'll be hearing from me, then :D |
| 18:19.23 | Stskeeps | trickie: yeah, but that breaks horridly occasionally :P |
| 18:19.36 | X-Fade | qole_: You know where to find me. |
| 18:19.43 | qole_ | how do I fix my nick w/ maemo xchat? |
| 18:19.52 | X-Fade | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.53 | slonopotamus | johnx, where i can find a list of all gcc-supported cpus? all these arm, armeb, armv4t, armv5t? |
| 18:19.53 | qole_ | stupid _ |
| 18:20.11 | johnx | slonopotamus, that's a good question :) |
| 18:20.14 | qole | better |
| 18:20.51 | slonopotamus | johnx, maybe there's even armv6t? |
| 18:21.26 | slonopotamus | johnx, and what's that 't' at all... |
| 18:21.38 | johnx | "thumb" I believe |
| 18:21.41 | johnx | don't quote me |
| 18:21.53 | slonopotamus | ;) |
| 18:22.53 | slonopotamus | i can't google the list :( |
| 18:23.33 | johnx | maybe I can find something |
| 18:23.35 | johnx | I saw a list once |
| 18:23.50 | johnx | (and I'm waiting for builds anyways) |
| 18:24.55 | lcuk | bangs head on wall @ crashing nokias - why dont same devices all act the same |
| 18:24.55 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/ondemand_stats.pdf - ondemand stats on how much time spent in each state (y), x (time in minutes) |
| 18:25.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: kinda interesting cos 266mhz/333mhz is hardly used |
| 18:25.48 | Stskeeps | (i should really do that graph with deltas |
| 18:25.54 | lcuk | Stskeeps, not really, at 166 it realises it needs more oooomph so ramps right up |
| 18:26.08 | lcuk | or at least a log scale |
| 18:26.32 | johnx | lcuk, in your experiment with leaving it in performance mode, it didn't make much difference in idle power usage, right? |
| 18:26.53 | lcuk | its not an experiment, its a way of life |
| 18:26.57 | lcuk | i barely ever change down |
| 18:27.00 | Stskeeps | living in the fast lane? |
| 18:27.04 | Stskeeps | how's your battery performance? |
| 18:27.36 | lcuk | no problems - it still very rarely dies overnight, but it has done that from day 1 and i think thats related to network chip more than anythin |
| 18:27.46 | lcuk | and it lasts perfectly long enough |
| 18:27.50 | johnx | Stskeeps, in idle mode the cpufreq mode doesn't really matter I believe |
| 18:27.53 | lcuk | for my usage anyway |
| 18:28.09 | lcuk | johnx, even at 400 the cpu sleeps |
| 18:28.30 | lcuk | its only if its stuck in a 400 loop it will drain faster than if it was stuck in a 166 loop |
| 18:29.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: so i guess the problem isn't cpu usage |
| 18:29.09 | johnx | well, it's a different sleep then most of us are used to thinking about |
| 18:29.13 | Stskeeps | i guess |
| 18:29.16 | trickie | Stskeeps: not really i use it in my mamona kernel |
| 18:29.23 | Stskeeps | maybe the idle vs cpu cycles will be more interesting |
| 18:29.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, debian is probably full of timers |
| 18:29.57 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 18:29.57 | trickie | Stskeeps: you disable CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE and enable CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE |
| 18:30.19 | Stskeeps | trickie: i know, though, but manual is needed to have a speedy X :P |
| 18:30.55 | slonopotamus | Permissible names are: `arm2', `arm250', `arm3', `arm6', `arm60', `arm600', `arm610', `arm620', `arm7', `arm7m', `arm7d', `arm7dm', `arm7di', `arm7dmi', `arm70', `arm700', `arm700i', `arm710', `arm710c', `arm7100', `arm7500', `arm7500fe', `arm7tdmi', `arm7tdmi-s', `arm8', `strongarm', `strongarm110', `strongarm1100', `arm8', `arm810', `arm9', `arm9e', `arm920', `arm920t', `arm922t', `arm946e-s', `arm966e-s', `arm968e-s', `arm926ej-s', `arm940t', `arm9 |
| 18:30.57 | slonopotamus | tdmi', `arm10tdmi', `arm1020t', `arm1026ej-s', `arm10e', `arm1020e', `arm1022e', `arm1136j-s', `arm1136jf-s', `mpcore', `mpcorenovfp', `arm1176jz-s', `arm1176jzf-s', `xscale', `iwmmxt', `ep9312'. |
| 18:31.11 | slonopotamus | arm cpu vendors are crazy |
| 18:31.29 | solmumaha | mikkov_: dukes seem fine, only the config in sw version differs a little |
| 18:31.46 | slonopotamus | which one n8x0s have? |
| 18:32.03 | johnx | slonopotamus, one of the arm11 |
| 18:32.09 | solmumaha | mi maybe you should also change the startup script so that it tells the controls if config is not yet copied |
| 18:32.37 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: should I put same config to sw than in cd version? |
| 18:32.46 | trickie | Stskeeps: yeah true, but if you are trying to bootstrap gentoo, i would rather not be stuffing around and lose some X performance while i do it |
| 18:32.47 | slonopotamus | johnx, i thought armv6 |
| 18:32.51 | solmumaha | mikkov_: yes |
| 18:32.54 | trickie | Stskeeps: then enable it again |
| 18:32.55 | johnx | slonopotamus, armv6 = arm11 |
| 18:32.57 | Stskeeps | trickie: true |
| 18:33.04 | johnx | slonopotamus, don't think about it too hard |
| 18:33.10 | slonopotamus | johnx, o_O |
| 18:33.15 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: ok I make the changes and then promote |
| 18:33.25 | johnx | slonopotamus, well v is the roman numeral for five |
| 18:33.29 | solmumaha | controls can be hard to figure out without the readme |
| 18:33.42 | slonopotamus | johnx, you broke my mind |
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| 18:33.46 | johnx | slonopotamus, heh...it has to do with the difference between an instruction set and a physical CPU core I believe |
| 18:33.51 | solmumaha | so can you make it come up before the config is copied? |
| 18:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | armv6 is the instructionset, ARM11 is the hardware. |
| 18:35.02 | johnx | I think technically the arm11 is a family of CPU designs |
| 18:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores |
| 18:35.19 | slonopotamus | johnx, i think arm-none-linux-gnueabi will be ok for the first try :) |
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| 18:37.27 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:37.51 | slonopotamus | ahha... |
| 18:38.06 | slonopotamus | ARM1136J(F)-S |
| 18:38.56 | slonopotamus | to `arm1176jz-s' or to `arm1176jzf-s'... that is the question :) |
| 18:39.09 | slonopotamus | jz = jazelle? |
| 18:39.41 | GeneralAntilles | Wow, that didn't take tim long. |
| 18:39.43 | slonopotamus | it is disabled? |
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| 18:40.05 | solmumaha | mikkov_: great, must remember to tell pupnik to update the itt post too, you could bump it with the extras info |
| 18:40.21 | slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, that was a joke? |
| 18:40.34 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus? |
| 18:40.42 | slonopotamus | yep? |
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| 18:40.54 | johnx | slonopotamus, is your name tim? |
| 18:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | I sent an email to -community about the package categories, I was saying it didn't take timsamoff long to get crackin'. |
| 18:41.27 | slonopotamus | hmm... i thougth it is a typo for 'him' |
| 18:41.39 | slonopotamus | sorry |
| 18:41.45 | johnx | I read it that way at first too :) |
| 18:41.58 | johnx | I was just curious if GeneralAntilles had guessed your name |
| 18:42.13 | slonopotamus | nope, he didn't |
| 18:42.47 | johnx | and yes, jz probably stands for jazelle, but you can never be sure... |
| 18:43.19 | slonopotamus | :) gcc opts are a great mystery |
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| 18:46.02 | trickie | slonopotamus: did you see http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/InternetTablets |
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| 18:49.20 | Stskeeps | trickie: but indeed, mamona has many interesting things |
| 18:49.29 | Stskeeps | you develop on it or what did you say? |
| 18:50.28 | trickie | Stskeeps: yep, prefer OE to scratchbox |
| 18:51.00 | Stskeeps | oh, i meant, you work on it/develop Mamona? |
| 18:51.14 | trickie | a little bit yes |
| 18:51.21 | Stskeeps | okay - how's the power usage? |
| 18:51.27 | trickie | made some kernel recipes and a few other small things |
| 18:51.38 | Stskeeps | (on tablets) |
| 18:52.07 | birunko | trickie don't be shy... you are a mamona developer! ;) |
| 18:52.52 | trickie | birunko: he he well ok |
| 18:53.03 | birunko | =) |
| 18:53.03 | macoute_ | btw. which would be the best pdf-reader for maemo? |
| 18:54.00 | qole | lcuk: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 18:54.21 | trickie | Stskeeps: well I do not use it as a 'day to day user' and i do not use wifi as I have a different kernel, but with some tweaks i can leave it idle for at least a few days |
| 18:54.39 | GAN800 | macoute, Evince or the built-in one. |
| 18:55.26 | macoute_ | the built-in one is terribly slow with pdf-ebooks |
| 18:55.34 | macoute_ | that is, bigger pdf:s |
| 18:55.47 | trickie | Stskeeps: I would say it is not any worse than maemo, as it has a smaller footprint, but thats based on absolutely no research :) |
| 18:55.51 | macoute_ | evince would be something to test |
| 18:56.03 | Stskeeps | trickie: *nod* |
| 18:56.29 | Stskeeps | trickie: i'm seeing 12 hour when idle running debian (no x, no wifi, no bluetooth), so it's curious :P |
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| 18:56.39 | Stskeeps | but then again there might be ways to fix that |
| 18:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | macoute_, I didn't have any trouble with it with Harry Potter VII |
| 18:56.59 | GeneralAntilles | Admittedly that was text-only, though. |
| 18:57.00 | trickie | Stskeeps: do you have a idle timeout to dim/blank display? |
| 18:57.04 | Stskeeps | trickie: ofcourse |
| 18:57.07 | trickie | that will suck you dry |
| 18:57.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, if you don't have it obviously |
| 18:57.22 | Stskeeps | we communicate with DSME to handle it for us |
| 18:57.32 | macoute_ | GeneralAntilles: mine are too, but they are slow... maybe a problem then with the files or something. |
| 18:57.43 | trickie | Stskeeps: i don't use dsme |
| 18:57.47 | macoute_ | changing a page takes 3-4 seconds |
| 18:57.58 | trickie | Stskeeps: but sometimes i run my own initfs also |
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| 18:58.11 | Stskeeps | trickie: ah, - i like dsme cos it does do some useful things once in a while :P |
| 18:58.11 | trickie | Stskeeps: or boot straight to sdcard |
| 18:58.21 | qole | macoute_, evince is very nice for ebooks |
| 18:58.23 | Stskeeps | on tablets? how do you do that anyway? |
| 18:58.31 | Stskeeps | (i heard rumour it's possible) |
| 18:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | macoute_, honestly, I'd try to convert the pdfs to something FBReader can use. |
| 18:58.42 | Stskeeps | so loading kernel from sd as well? |
| 18:59.03 | macoute_ | GeneralAntilles: is there tools for that? |
| 18:59.22 | macoute_ | fbreader seemed ok when i tested it |
| 18:59.25 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall what I used in the past. |
| 18:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | But if you can get them to HTML. . . . |
| 18:59.32 | trickie | Stskeeps: nup |
| 18:59.40 | Stskeeps | ah, ok |
| 18:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | FBReader will be a lot faster, better formatted and easier to navigate than any PDF reader. |
| 18:59.54 | trickie | Stskeeps: nup hardcoding it in the kernel .config |
| 19:00.30 | trickie | Stskeeps: gotta run, but see http://muru.com/linux/n8x0/ for more info, he is booting linux-omap, but you can do the same otherwise |
| 19:01.04 | cyrus___ | In scratchbox, I am trying to install pyxdg which seems to require root privleges. How do I accomplish that in scratchbox? |
| 19:01.23 | johnx | cyrus___, fakeroot |
| 19:01.35 | johnx | err...hmmm |
| 19:01.46 | qole | Well, formatting is PDF's strong point, it can be hard work converting to good HTML for fbreader |
| 19:01.48 | johnx | try fakeroot and see if that fixes it |
| 19:01.50 | Stskeeps | trickie: yeah, i know all of that :P |
| 19:01.55 | cyrus___ | johnx - ok..thanks |
| 19:02.15 | ShadowJK_ | what's /sys/class/leds/cover ? |
| 19:02.52 | cyrus___ | johnx - still got error: could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/xdg': Permission denied |
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| 19:04.04 | cyrus___ | johnx - i ran fakeroot and id says my uid is root, but I still can't write to that folder |
| 19:04.19 | lcuk | will get round to implementing pdf decoding one day |
| 19:05.38 | lcuk | qole, :D heh |
| 19:05.52 | johnx | cyrus___, well, it only solves the problem if you didn't really need root. |
| 19:05.57 | lcuk | watches you type |
| 19:06.55 | RST38h | Hehehehehe |
| 19:07.08 | RST38h | You know what, gentlemen? Bug #3641 is back! |
| 19:07.18 | orangey | (and ladies) |
| 19:07.29 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, really? drinks on me! |
| 19:07.35 | RST38h | and ladies too, if I can interest any ladies at all in Modest bugs |
| 19:08.18 | RST38h | qwerty: Save 'em for Modest maintainers, until they finally fix the @#$%ing bug |
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| 19:09.40 | qole | lcuk: hope it is ok... |
| 19:10.34 | qole | pleads for pdf in liqbase |
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| 19:14.11 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 19:14.22 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/maemo.mapper.pdf <- APT dependancy graph for maemo mapper |
| 19:14.39 | Stskeeps | (zoom in.) |
| 19:14.55 | Stskeeps | and that ladies and gentlemen, is how the maemo platform looks like :P |
| 19:15.24 | ShadowJK_ | can't zoom in more than 400% :) |
| 19:15.29 | lcuk | qole, advertise for me like that every day and ill add it :P |
| 19:15.37 | RST38h | Sts: This looks like an open N810, when looking from the side |
| 19:15.53 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:16.05 | RST38h | but yes, once you zoom in it looks like...mhmmm...maemo platform |
| 19:16.34 | johnx | Stskeeps, I think I saw one of those clogging the drain once O_o |
| 19:17.38 | RST38h | http://vs.fotography.ru/tmp/bla.jpg <=== Photoshop? |
| 19:18.22 | johnx | RST38h, zombie |
| 19:18.46 | zap | hehe, was watching same pic now |
| 19:19.05 | zap | RST38h: its not photoshop, it's real |
| 19:19.42 | zap | RST38h: http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/1054/mctongue.jpg |
| 19:19.53 | |rt| | I just got a n810 and was curious if anyone has sucessfully tethered it to a blackberry device via bluetooth |
| 19:20.55 | zap | when it becomes oboious you're a loser, all you can do is to pretend you're a clown |
| 19:22.02 | johnx | |rt|, I believe so. check on http://internettablettalk.com/forums for people who have |
| 19:22.15 | johnx | zap, nah, he's just a zombie |
| 19:22.29 | zap | he has to die first :) |
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| 19:23.14 | johnx | zap, I think he must have. if he was alive he'd be like a million years old, right? |
| 19:23.59 | zap | perhaps he was killed in the Vietnam prison, and now he's a K.G.B zombie |
| 19:24.11 | |rt| | johnx: thanks for the link |
| 19:24.35 | |rt| | is there a pptp vpn client out there anywhere? |
| 19:25.17 | |rt| | I see there's a cisco ipsec client....which I suppose I could use but we typically only use ipsec at work for perminate vpn tunnels |
| 19:27.12 | RST38h | why is he sticking his tongue out so much ? =) |
| 19:27.42 | RST38h | there is an alien inside, yessss, my precioussss... |
| 19:27.46 | |rt| | RST38h: for the same reason that Palin can't help but say the word Maverick |
| 19:28.12 | |rt| | and McCain has to start every sentence with My friend |
| 19:30.21 | RST38h | Palin probably has one of those huge alien birds inside her |
| 19:30.55 | RST38h | rt: Yes but only when he is angered |
| 19:31.00 | lcuk | she IS one of those huge alien birds |
| 19:31.12 | RST38h | looks American to me. |
| 19:31.29 | lcuk | my point exactly :) from this perspective anyway |
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| 19:32.26 | RST38h | lcuk: Ah come on, you just have to have a local equivalent! Is there one? |
| 19:33.05 | lcuk | well, now you mention it we DO have a local breed of cow that reminds me of her |
| 19:33.39 | lcuk | tbh thou she reminds me kyles mum |
| 19:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | Too thin. |
| 19:35.09 | lcuk | yeah i suppose, but if you imagined kyles mum with more weight then it would work |
| 19:36.39 | GeneralAntilles | _Kyle's_ mom with more weight? :\ |
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| 19:58.53 | lcuk | why does sjgadsby's picture on planet look like hes shirtless ? *shudder* |
| 19:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 19:59.15 | qwerty12_N800 | i thought the same thing 30 mins ago :p |
| 19:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | I had the exact same thought when I first saw it. |
| 19:59.39 | lcuk | i got to the bottom of the page and was scared |
| 19:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's probably one of these, though: http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf8&q=red%20dirt%20shirt&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 19:59.58 | lcuk | the worst part is maemo crapped out and i cant click older |
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| 20:01.44 | lcuk | do you think i should be worried about these odd random glitches that are experienced with liqbase? |
| 20:02.42 | lcuk | cos currently i feel pretty low about it - ive crashed it myself a few times, but thats just the same with big pcs and stuff |
| 20:03.30 | RST38h | lcuk: you should |
| 20:03.44 | RST38h | if it crashes, users will notice it and will not use it |
| 20:04.05 | RST38h | you don't really want to be compared to Modest =) |
| 20:04.12 | lcuk | yeah, but users crash things all the time |
| 20:04.17 | lcuk | heh, im not |
| 20:04.34 | lcuk | my machine crashes if i play half life for too long |
| 20:05.17 | lcuk | i agree though RST38h and ive worked around or removed everything i can now - the silly coding mistakes that segfault are one thing |
| 20:05.48 | lcuk | but its when x itself craps out and locks up - when im simply rendering bitmaps |
| 20:06.07 | GeneralAntilles | Then go file a bug report. :P |
| 20:06.14 | lcuk | nothin i can do in code, nothin i can do to continue |
| 20:06.18 | lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles i agree |
| 20:06.50 | lcuk | and on that score GeneralAntilles once i am as certain as possible its not my code i will be filing |
| 20:06.53 | melmoth | regular app should not be allowed to kill X, shouldn they ? |
| 20:06.59 | lcuk | its like xv when rotated has a bug |
| 20:07.07 | lcuk | melmoth, no but it can do |
| 20:07.38 | melmoth | ideally, building a small test case before filing a bug |
| 20:07.55 | lcuk | heh, if i can reproduce it i can do something |
| 20:08.19 | lcuk | but when i run the exact same code tohusands (millions) of times over the last few months and nothing has reproduced itself how can i do that |
| 20:08.26 | melmoth | talking about crash and stuff.. i am afraid there is no way to use gdb and stuff on the scratchbox sdk in armel. |
| 20:08.39 | bef0rd | yep, I've noticed that latest liqbase is a bit unstable compared with the previous version |
| 20:08.40 | melmoth | are you able to catche core on the tablet ? and use them ? |
| 20:09.24 | lcuk | bef0rd, agreed - its not crapping out on first unknown error anymore and is trying to be more of a hildon app, if you can be more specific i should be able to cure it |
| 20:10.21 | lcuk | that is something brand new and known to be not 100% yet |
| 20:10.40 | RST38h | lcuk: If you manage to fuck up X11, then you are doing something wrong =) |
| 20:11.04 | melmoth | no, that s spotting a X bug, that s good news. |
| 20:11.39 | melmoth | that is..if somebody can do something about it :) |
| 20:11.40 | lcuk | RST38h, im not - and its not reproducable, but very rarely i get an error and it freezes, in a few weeks if i reproduce it ill save you the error |
| 20:11.46 | bef0rd | lcuk, i've got two crash at least, the screen went black and got no response |
| 20:12.13 | lcuk | and since x shouts on stderr it wont be in the log |
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| 20:14.19 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps ? |
| 20:14.23 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: mm? |
| 20:14.53 | suihkulokki | I'm cleaning 0xffff for debian inclusion |
| 20:15.16 | lcuk | RST38h, this is the type of error it raises when it completely locks (this is not the specific one i just did a google on the keywords) |
| 20:15.16 | lcuk | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 20:15.16 | lcuk | Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XVideo) |
| 20:15.16 | lcuk | Minor opcode of failed request: 17 () |
| 20:15.20 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: alright, sounds good |
| 20:15.33 | suihkulokki | as the first package in main dir :P |
| 20:15.49 | lcuk | yet it has been running happily for hours prior to this and continues to run happily afterwards |
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| 20:16.51 | RST38h | Is 2008.38 available for update? |
| 20:17.14 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: so the question remains how to manage the process |
| 20:18.08 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i have no particular interest in 0xffff, atleast - if we make interesting packages, clean up, mention deblet somewhere, retain copyright of package with your copyright notice addition, then i'm fine with it |
| 20:18.29 | RST38h | lcuk: Oh I know what it is |
| 20:18.33 | Stskeeps | (i'm a bsd license person, so as long as i'm credited, i'm fine) |
| 20:18.51 | lcuk | enlighten me then |
| 20:18.54 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well, 0xffff is just a example packaging in this case |
| 20:18.55 | lcuk | please :$ |
| 20:18.58 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: yep |
| 20:19.00 | suihkulokki | just needed to start somewhere ;) |
| 20:19.15 | suihkulokki | so eventually we want everything in debian |
| 20:19.24 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 20:19.31 | Stskeeps | we'll see - some of the packages are direct hacks |
| 20:19.37 | Stskeeps | but this is fun working with anyway |
| 20:19.47 | Stskeeps | you having it in sid/lenny just lessens our bw load ;) |
| 20:20.00 | RST38h | lcuk: You are making some XVideo API call and provide bad image attributes |
| 20:20.14 | RST38h | lcuk: Should I look up those numbers? |
| 20:20.22 | lcuk | but i dont ever change the attributes and it works for MANY thousands of millions of calls |
| 20:20.25 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: just as long as i don't get into any discussions with debian-legal, had enough of those :P |
| 20:20.28 | lcuk | no, thats NOT the actual error |
| 20:20.42 | lcuk | ill store it when it happens again - like i said , its happened just a couple of times |
| 20:21.21 | lcuk | that was the type of error and i just remembered seeing the major and minor opcode bits |
| 20:22.08 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well d-l should be irrelevant for all the main/contrib packages |
| 20:22.14 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 20:22.26 | Stskeeps | i've tried to put them into main/contrib after guidelines atleast |
| 20:22.37 | lcuk | i would understand if i changed the way i called it and got a reproducable failure - (like i get if i try to only update part of the xv plane) - but this just fails on the spot - i never worried about it cos i remember reading something about it from the original "sdl tearing mplayer" thread thingy |
| 20:22.42 | RST38h | lcuk: this means that the context of that call execution somehow changes |
| 20:22.49 | RST38h | lcuk: And you have to check for it somehow |
| 20:23.01 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i'm just happy developing and making interesting things - so just pull upstream whatever you find interesting :) |
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| 20:23.52 | Stskeeps | then when the package is availiable in unstable or the likes, we pull from our repo, and so on (i prefer to stay on lenny base for now as .. unstable did funny things while we developed) |
| 20:24.12 | lcuk | RST38h, all i can do is check the result of the 1 call made to XvShmPutImage, which i do, but the error has occured and locked |
| 20:24.16 | lcuk | before that returns |
| 20:24.19 | lcuk | so i can never check it |
| 20:24.34 | lcuk | brb |
| 20:24.57 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well I'd prefer you guys would still keep maintaining them in after they get into debian |
| 20:25.08 | suihkulokki | I have to mentor but not so much to maintain |
| 20:25.11 | RST38h | lcuk: Ok, so you are doing ShmPutImage |
| 20:25.11 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 20:25.17 | Stskeeps | alright, then deblet repo would serve as development ground i guess :P |
| 20:25.21 | RST38h | and that call fails? |
| 20:25.29 | suihkulokki | yeah, that's fine |
| 20:25.32 | Stskeeps | i will take patches gladly (and if you want svn commit, you're more than welcome) |
| 20:25.56 | suihkulokki | do you have a mailing list? |
| 20:26.10 | lcuk | RST38h, no, somewhere within that call it outputs that message and locks |
| 20:26.24 | lcuk | but only once in a bluemoon |
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| 20:26.43 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: for commits? no, just trac's timeline / rss, - most discussions happen here on irc or on ITT |
| 20:26.46 | lcuk | and i call it the same every time |
| 20:26.47 | RST38h | lcuk: X11 receives that call (remember, it is client server architecture) and fails to execute it |
| 20:26.57 | RST38h | lcuk: Because it has been doing something else at that moment |
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| 20:27.26 | moontiger | wonders where she can send a SQL Scripting For Dummies book so the maemo.org guys can learn how to do databases |
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| 20:27.36 | moontiger | so slow ... always so slow |
| 20:27.46 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well something to drop as the maintainer address |
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| 20:28.48 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: set deblet@tspre.org |
| 20:29.20 | lcuk | RST38h, thats all well and good, but any idea how to prevent it? |
| 20:29.28 | lcuk | do i need to obtain a lock around it or something? |
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| 20:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, the server move is still in progress. . . . |
| 20:39.44 | Stskeeps | wasn't this supposed to be done months ago? :P |
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| 20:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the Finnish summer vacation pushed things back a lot. |
| 20:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | More like weeks ago realistically. |
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| 20:47.34 | cyrus___ | when connecting my n810 to desktop computer through USB, only the internal memory card shows up. Anyone know why? |
| 20:48.07 | Stskeeps | cyrus___: maybe external card is in use |
| 20:48.13 | macoute_ | cloned os? |
| 20:48.18 | Stskeeps | or that |
| 20:48.27 | cyrus___ | Stskeeps - no..I just rebooted it |
| 20:48.37 | macoute_ | and no cloned os? |
| 20:48.43 | Stskeeps | metacrawler crawling in places it shouldnt? :P |
| 20:48.50 | macoute_ | can you use it normally? |
| 20:49.01 | cyrus___ | cloned os? - not sure what you mean by that |
| 20:49.07 | cyrus___ | yes I can |
| 20:50.04 | macoute_ | cyrus___: then you prolly dont have it :) |
| 20:53.19 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, really?? it takes me an hour to set up a web server from start to end |
| 20:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, yeah, one server. |
| 20:53.50 | moontiger | they have more than one? |
| 20:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | Lots more |
| 20:54.01 | moontiger | a cluster of n770's?? wow! ;) |
| 20:54.02 | GeneralAntilles | They also have lots and lots of heavy applications |
| 20:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla, the wiki, Garage, Midgard, Downloads, the mailing lists, the repositories, etc, etc. |
| 20:54.35 | moontiger | why dont they just have the web server running on its own as a web server? |
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| 20:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, think whatever you want, it's not a simple thing. :) |
| 20:55.52 | moontiger | im not saying it is but i have written and maintained a few large websites and they were a lot faster with a lot less hardware |
| 20:55.52 | moontiger | just puzzling is all |
| 20:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | As large as maemo.org? and with as many services? |
| 20:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | I somehow doubt it. |
| 20:56.25 | moontiger | well 2 load balanced apache servers talking to a video server and a db server |
| 20:56.43 | moontiger | serving over 1tb of video each month to close on 500k uniques |
| 20:57.13 | moontiger | and an average of 15million page views per month |
| 20:57.18 | moontiger | so not trivial |
| 20:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | The stuff running maemo.org _is_ open source, I'm sure they'd be happy to have additional help. :) |
| 21:00.42 | moontiger | i would be happy to help :) |
| 21:01.02 | moontiger | im not saying im some big expert or anything ... just i have built and run sites bigger than mycat.com |
| 21:07.28 | Stskeeps | mycat.. pornsite or cat site, .. good question |
| 21:09.23 | macoute_ | lets test |
| 21:09.38 | macoute_ | Access Forbidden - pornsite |
| 21:10.10 | lcuk | heh, firefox saying "waiting for mycat.com" - i wait for mycat as well and the lazy fecker just sits outside the front door meowing |
| 21:10.26 | macoute_ | GeneralAntilles: is maemo large? |
| 21:10.41 | macoute_ | how many page loads you have a day? |
| 21:11.30 | lcuk | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mycat.com |
| 21:11.36 | Pavlov | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.02 | macoute_ | lcuk: not in archive? |
| 21:12.10 | lcuk | macoute_, its not the page loads, its the underlying CMS thats simply outgrown its design spec and is running lots of things it really shouldnt have to but has ended up doing |
| 21:12.11 | macoute_ | oh, found |
| 21:13.06 | macoute_ | lcuk: well, even the worst CMS should manage some pageloads a day, so it surely is about the page loads :) |
| 21:13.14 | lcuk | throws more iron at the problem |
| 21:13.36 | lcuk | macoute_, yes, it handles its core audience of 3 perfectly |
| 21:13.43 | lcuk | it just doesnt scale very well beyond that |
| 21:14.05 | macoute_ | lcuk: you are talking about midgard? |
| 21:14.27 | lcuk | yes, maemo.org runs midguard on an n770 according to legend |
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| 21:15.31 | macoute_ | midgard should scale ok |
| 21:15.50 | macoute_ | as i think that maemo.org is not that big site after all |
| 21:16.03 | macoute_ | tablets never were a box office hit :) |
| 21:16.19 | lcuk | its all in progress anyway, i think this discussion occured last year something |
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| 21:21.40 | mgedmin | so, is liqbase in extras-devel yet? |
| 21:22.31 | lcuk_inshed | no mgedmin, i only just added support for osso and handling events properly, they need a bit of ironing out first. it is available from liqbase.net though |
| 21:22.59 | lcuk_inshed | or is that the point of -devel? |
| 21:23.03 | lcuk_inshed | :D |
| 21:23.28 | mgedmin | that's my interpretation of -devel: beta stuff |
| 21:24.09 | RST38h | devel should be ok for it already |
| 21:26.06 | lcuk_inshed | RST38h, i really want to sort out the x11 event handling first and get the first run experience nice and smooth. as soon as thats done it will be in -devel |
| 21:27.24 | lcuk_inshed | but i will trust your judgement on one condition ;) install and run it yourself and tell me then if you think i should |
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| 21:37.18 | GAN800 | lcuk_inshed, does it cause massive data loss? |
| 21:38.05 | lcuk_inshed | the most ive ever lost is an inprogress hyper detailed rendition of a human being. or to put it bluntly, it crashed when i was drawin a stick man |
| 21:38.28 | lcuk_inshed | no GAN800 it doesnt |
| 21:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | Then it's ready for Extras-devel. |
| 21:40.54 | mgedmin | so, no uploading yourself into the tablet for the time being |
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| 21:41.43 | lcuk_inshed | heh mgedmin im not afraid of uploading into the tablet, its when i escape and run amokck on the wider internet |
| 21:41.43 | lcuk_inshed | http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php |
| 21:41.44 | GK^LKA | ave |
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| 21:43.19 | GK^LKA | can i ask some lame questions about installing and setting up the maemo 4.1.1 sdk? |
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| 21:43.59 | GK^LKA | the documentation mentions some rootstraps |
| 21:44.13 | GK^LKA | but I can't find any for diablo |
| 21:44.28 | GK^LKA | where can i find them? |
| 21:45.47 | mgedmin | have you looked on maemo.org? |
| 21:45.55 | lcuk_inshed | have you tried following the instructions |
| 21:45.57 | mgedmin | ... which is still unbelievably slow :( |
| 21:46.08 | GK^LKA | of course, but there aren't any links in the sdk's page |
| 21:46.19 | mgedmin | didn't it get a new more powerful server recently? |
| 21:46.28 | lcuk_inshed | which instructions are you reading |
| 21:46.40 | GK^LKA | yes, i'm following what's written in the maemo diablo reference man 4.1 pdf |
| 21:46.44 | lcuk_inshed | mgedmin, not yet live |
| 21:46.52 | lcuk_inshed | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html so you arent following this one |
| 21:46.59 | mgedmin | maemo.org is down again, according to http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org |
| 21:47.01 | lcuk_inshed | or is that a different thing |
| 21:47.10 | mgedmin | maemo-sdk is an experimental half-working thing |
| 21:47.13 | mgedmin | it's not the official sdk |
| 21:47.22 | mgedmin | shame about the name similarity |
| 21:47.23 | GK^LKA | then what's the offical sdk? |
| 21:47.50 | GK^LKA | to tell you the truth i need only a working php+webserver combo for my n810 |
| 21:47.52 | mgedmin | GK^LKA: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 21:48.08 | GK^LKA | so the sdk is for compiling some php+lighttpd |
| 21:48.25 | lcuk_inshed | mgedmin, ahhh i just noticed that, SDK+... |
| 21:48.28 | mgedmin | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/#sdk_releases has a broken link to the release notes |
| 21:48.31 | mgedmin | boo, nokia webmasters, boo! |
| 21:48.35 | GK^LKA | mgedmin: yes, this guide is the other thing i've seen |
| 21:48.47 | GK^LKA | i've installed the sdk with the given shell script |
| 21:48.50 | mgedmin | GK^LKA: the official SDK is a pain to install, but it works |
| 21:49.03 | mgedmin | the SDK+ is easy to install (if you've got debian/ubuntu), but it's not fully functional |
| 21:49.16 | mgedmin | e.g. last time I checked you could not apt-get install additional -dev packages inside the scratchbox |
| 21:49.16 | GK^LKA | then which one is which? |
| 21:49.24 | mgedmin | the official SDK is on tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 21:49.40 | mgedmin | the unofficial new one based on scratchbox 2 is maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org |
| 21:49.51 | GK^LKA | hm, i've not realized that there are two different sdks until you told :) |
| 21:50.00 | mgedmin | you were looking for the 4.1 rootstrap, right? |
| 21:50.02 | RST38h | still cant afaik |
| 21:50.05 | mgedmin | according to my notes it's at http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.1_armel.tgz |
| 21:50.05 | GK^LKA | then I've got the offical one |
| 21:50.15 | GK^LKA | thanks |
| 21:50.15 | mgedmin | although I suppose the INSTALL.txt has that url |
| 21:50.35 | mgedmin | I like this shorter set of instructions for installing the sdk: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ |
| 21:50.47 | GK^LKA | hm, sure |
| 21:50.49 | mgedmin | lets you have multiple maemo SDK versions in a single scratchbox |
| 21:50.54 | GK^LKA | sorry, i didn't see it |
| 21:50.55 | GK^LKA | :) |
| 21:52.03 | GK^LKA | then i'm following this txt further, and after compiling some test files I'll be back for asking help to compile lighttpd :) |
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| 22:41.36 | AStorm | hmm |
| 22:41.46 | AStorm | where I can get a log of maemo-mapper's updates? |
| 22:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | .deb? |
| 22:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | Or the garage project. |
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