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01:28.13gregoroviushas the easy debian image a static size? if so, can I enlarge it/shrink it?
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02:14.42whodatanyone here that has done streaming with canola?
02:15.00handful_opa
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02:15.16handful_hello
02:16.24GAN800From EyeConnect
02:16.34handful_about canola: what was the question? :)
02:17.05whodattrying to figure out how to do streaming with it
02:17.26handful_unm We test with some upnp servers like : Tversity
02:17.30GAN800UPn
02:17.32GAN800p
02:18.11whodatif i click on a video link in the browser it still launches the built-in player
02:18.18whodatso cant stream
02:18.29handful_unm
02:18.30handful_yeah
02:18.30GAN800mediaserv?
02:18.42handful_Canola is not registering itself as the player, because the backend is indeed the same (maemo media player)
02:19.23whodatoh, i thought it used mplayer
02:19.31k-swhodat: it uses both
02:19.41whodat?! lol
02:20.04k-swhodat: as for your question, not possible as canola is not able to execute from commands, things like ¨canola --play=uri¨ does not exist
02:20.16k-swhodat: you can, however, write a canola plugin to make it work
02:20.46whodatcanola seems to support more media formats
02:20.46k-swhodat: register yourself as a canola-remote-play dbus service and when you get some play message you start playback
02:21.02handful_whodat: yes because it uses both Mplayer and Maemo media engine :)
02:21.20k-swhodat: it have a priority list, if some media has a priority to play with mplayer, it uses it, otherwise it plays using osso...
02:21.24k-sosso = media server
02:21.40k-sit´s handled by atabake media engine (part of canola)
02:21.47whodathand: okay. yeah thats why i want it to launch instead of getting 'unsupported media format' from the original player when launching from the browser
02:22.08GAN800just copy the url into gmplayer
02:22.41whodatmplayer takes a url parm, so could i register that to the browser?
02:25.59gregoroviuswhodat: check http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17757
02:26.03gregoroviusmight be useful
02:26.46gregoroviusoo, new canola beta10 in extras-devel... what's new?
02:27.06handful_gregorovius: testing : /
02:27.11handful_we are testing like crazy
02:27.39handful_is our release candidate :) now I am "crushing it" with my crazy test routines to see if it's ok
02:27.40gregoroviusdoesn't sound like much fun
02:27.54lcukdoes that actually mean you run around with n810s screaming and pullin funny faces?
02:28.01GAN800had fun with b10 and podcasts on a long trip today.
02:28.05gregoroviusI just installed it, trying the tuning plugin now
02:28.15handful_lcuk: yeah :) the tuning plugin still drives me mad
02:28.22whodatgreg: thanks
02:28.28gregoroviusnp
02:28.53handful_and my crazy routines are some unexpected podcast -> song -> youtube -> tuning -> thumbnails - upnp multitask
02:28.56gregoroviusI ended up writing a script to copy my album art from amarok to the structure canola expects
02:29.05gregoroviushopefully I can dump that soon
02:29.14k-sgregorovius: that´s awesome!
02:29.25handful_gregorovius: yeah, I don't know what is really happening : when only last.fm or amazon is selected as source..
02:29.38gregoroviusk-s: want a copy? it's lame bash
02:29.46k-sgregorovius: push to amarok as a plugin
02:29.53handful_still takes to much time to get covers, and is not getting everyone... then I use the 3 album view.. and it gets them.. damn it
02:30.04k-swonders why amarok does sync with ipod and iriver but not canola!
02:30.09gregoroviusit's a bash script, it doesn't actually run withing amarok
02:30.17k-sit´s the right path to go
02:30.26k-scanola should have its ¨itunes¨ counterpart
02:30.47k-sdoing this kind of media management on such devices is not the best thing to do
02:30.51gregoroviusI'd love amarok to have some support for copying cover art to random locations
02:31.04k-sit should be possible and like, but it´s not the best place
02:31.15k-sgregorovius: shouldn´t be that difficult
02:31.20k-snow going to sleep!
02:32.12lcukhandful_, the page cycling issue, what happens and is it "imply" a memory leak or something in the multitasking itself
02:32.22lcuk"simply"
02:32.50handful_page cycling issue? which?
02:32.59lcukpodcast -> song -> youtube -> tuning -> thumbnails
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02:33.06lcukswitching through all the pages
02:33.09handful_ah
02:33.24handful_I do that because the loading / unload of models and the now playing was getting crazy
02:33.38handful_now playing returning to podcast instead to the current playing song..
02:33.49handful_and the others are just to check leaks and so on as you said
02:34.20handful_the thing is : we tend to test in simpler ways :).. users always find complicated ways to use the software that we didn't test enough :)
02:34.41lcukheh, my heel appears to be file handling ;)
02:35.09handful_it's everyone's I think ehehe
02:35.10gregoroviusspeaking of that, lcuk, did you managed to check that text encoding issue? I sent you an example the other day
02:35.16GAN800demands wmv handling from lcuk.
02:35.30lcukso you reursively open new menus for each page the user clicks into, or after entering one is the previous closed
02:35.55handful_lcuk: the previous one is closed, but we do keep some information about it's state
02:36.05handful_to be able to re-construct when the user hit's back
02:36.05lcukgregorovius, i havent got a text file, send it again - it couldv been lost
02:36.10lcukyeah
02:36.26handful_but as you can generate "paths" in multiple "apps" inside...
02:36.33handful_we need to make sure nothign is leaking :)
02:36.57lcukyeah, its always a minefield
02:37.09gregoroviuslcuk: mail or xdcc?
02:37.13lcukmail
02:37.16lcukthis irc is crap
02:37.22gregorovius=)
02:37.51lcukanyway, v late for me :)
02:38.00lcukill check that tomorrow gregorovius
02:38.25lcukgnite handful_, gregorovius  and GAN800 if you are about
02:38.33gregoroviusthanks
02:38.42handful_good night lcuk !
02:43.24gregoroviushandful_: same here, album art shows up in 3-album-view, but not in the main view
02:44.07handful_yeah
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03:40.19cars__hi lopz
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03:41.58lopzheya cars__
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03:43.37cars__How's it going?
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03:54.08qoleheheh, everyone's sleeping
03:55.23qoleexcept west coast america :)
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04:01.22lopznight
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04:40.22peteblackhey, does anyone have a N810 WiMAX here?
04:46.13RST38hmoos
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04:48.50eliagphello
04:48.56eliagpfirst time here
04:49.21rcytoo
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05:03.56Proteousdon't feed the goats
05:08.33Proteouswhat kind of tablet do you both have?
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05:27.27summatusmentishas a n810
05:32.44peteblackno one with a n810w (rx-48)?
05:33.48summatusmentisI don't htink they're out yet
05:34.03peteblackthey are, read that one guy in chicago got his today from nokia
05:34.35summatusmentisoh, I've not heard of anyone who has one
05:34.59peteblackyeah, i might be out asking a bit early
05:40.43atulI am facing this erro why so "sbox-arm-linux-gcc: -linotifytools: linker input file unused because linking not done
05:40.43atulsbox-arm-linux-gcc: -lcurl: linker input file unused because linking not done
05:40.45atulsbox-arm-linux-gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple languages
05:40.47atul"
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05:44.42angel_hey i am bulding an application for the nokia n810.. using the scratchbox environment.. the hildon module does not seem to have a grid attribute?  can someone tel me wat replaces tat?
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06:23.45rcyis anyone using an n810 as a voip phone?  a friend just got one, and i want to help him get it working with my asterisk server.  looking ideally for an iax2 client that works with it
06:23.54rcysip would work too, i guess, but is less ideal
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06:26.59macoute_skype and gizmo(?) are officially supported afaik
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06:29.14BugBluesip does work with the intergrated chatclient (sofia stuff)
06:29.37BugBlueand it does work nicely with asterisk, even video does work if you have asterisk 1.6 (but video does have some glitches)
06:37.31moontigergizmo does sip and asterix
06:44.23BugBluetoo on the n810 but no video with asterisk
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06:52.57moontigerafaik gizmo is the only video solution right now ... as in gizmo -> gizmo
06:53.06moontigeramsn apparently can do it too
06:53.13moontigerbut i think its a complete pain to set up
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06:54.33mavhcor the built in chat client
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06:59.07cars__I thought the built-in chat client could only do audio?
06:59.51moontigerno i use gizmo for video calls all the time
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07:00.31cars__Oh, I know gizmo can. I
07:01.08moontigerskype is only audio
07:01.23moontigerand the built in thing (even with rscomm update thing) is only audio
07:01.32cars__...was thinking of the chat client.
07:01.37moontigerright sorry
07:01.42moontigerdidnt read that bit properly
07:01.52cars__no problem
07:03.03cars__Sorry responses are slow; not used to the on-screen keyboard yet.
07:04.55bef0rdThe built in chat app supports video too, the problem is that there are no 'desktop' apps with jabber and video afaik
07:06.01cars__That's right. I remember reading that now.
07:07.07bef0rdN8X0 <-> N8X0 should be able to handle audio and video with rtcomm
07:07.38moontigerhmmmmm i never managed to get rtcomm doing video
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07:08.54cars__I can't seem to get the finger on-screen keyboard to display w/any regularity.  Any suggestions?  I know the app needs to be full screen (for some reason)
07:09.50aquatixmorning all
07:10.00cars__Also, I can't install usbcontrol; it says it is incompatibile.  Is there an alternate program available that would work with diablo so I can connect a usb keyboard?
07:10.35cars__morning aquatix
07:10.54aquatixhey cars__
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07:12.50bef0rdmoontiger, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XExv3goeAI
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07:17.20X-FadeMorning.
07:18.21skiburAnybody know who painted this picture????  --->  http://jasgordo.googlepages.com/an_fallen_angel_2.jpg/an_fallen_angel_2-custom;size:1999,1999.jpg
07:18.30skiburbeen trying to find out who did it
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07:23.24moontigerwow what is it??
07:23.38aquatixlooks like a fallen angel
07:23.49moontigeroh yah i got it
07:23.55moontigerzoomed in and saw it better
07:23.59RST38hit's a phot.
07:24.00moontigerangel on a rock
07:24.02RST38hphoto
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07:43.56Pavlovanyone know of any good hard cases (that protect the screen) for the n810?
07:44.30aquatixmaybe boxwave has one?
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07:46.57Pavlovhrm, they have one -- hard to tell how well it protects the screen
07:47.18Pavlovafter i cracked the screen on my last n810, trying to find somtehing to protect this one
07:49.00aquatixhow did you crack it?
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07:49.41Pavlovdunno ;/
07:49.52aquatixah :)
07:49.55Pavlovthe glass is fine but big crack down the lcd
07:50.01aquatixouch
07:50.05Pavlovyeah
07:50.20Pavlovwant to avoid breaking my new one ;p
07:50.44MangoFusionthe screen is glass?
07:50.56Pavlov*shrug*
07:51.54RST38hGlass will not work
07:52.38RST38hTouchscreen requires either direct contact or a very thin pressure sensitive layer
07:52.57RST38hSo, I would suggest either a padded case or at least a leather case
07:53.06Pavlovgiven how bad the touchscreen on the n810 is, maybe it is glass
07:54.02RST38hit's plastic
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08:15.10JaffaMorning, all
08:15.40moontigerwaves and yawns
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08:16.06moontiger<--- getting ready for bed
08:18.49solmumahamorning
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08:27.18moontigerxkcd is funny today :)
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09:20.38hrwmorning
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09:24.08Stskeepsbeagleboard connection works \o/
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09:33.56RST38hScientists believe the UK ranges of two aggressive alien crustaceans - the North American signal crayfish and the Chinese mitten crab - are beginning to overlap, offering the prospect of an epic battle for supremacy over Britain's waterways.
09:34.02RST38hand good morning all
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09:51.19lcukRST38h, what about the russian factor: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/holiday_type/food_and_travel/article783553.ece
09:51.45lcuki love the tagline: "Monster crabs are invading Europe. Armed with a jar of mayonnaise, Stephen Bleach steps into battle"
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09:59.52solmumaha_berto_: thanks
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10:08.20_berto_solmumaha: yr welcome
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11:18.50mikkov_solmumaha: duke is in extras-devel. Still thinking about best way to distribute sw levels
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11:23.05solmumahamikkov_: thanks a lot, did you create a similar package?
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11:24.39mikkov_solmumaha: It should be almost exactly the same
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11:25.48mikkov_I only changed duke3d.cfg copying from postinst to start script
11:25.58solmumahagreat job, must test it when i get home. you made full or sw version?
11:26.20mikkov_it's only sw version for now
11:27.35mikkov_CFLAGS are not the same, it looked like it is using more CPU now. I probably tweak them back
11:28.25solmumahawell i'm not sure they are correct, don't remember where i grabbed them
11:28.38solmumahabut it works with 770 without sound with those
11:29.29mikkov_I had to change them because they were only for ARM and autobuilder builds also for i386
11:30.16solmumahaah, so you need to add some checks to makefile?
11:30.20mikkov_would it be goof idea if sw levels were optionally downloaded in postinst script?
11:30.40solmumahayes
11:30.49mikkov_CFLAGS are minor issue for now
11:32.04mikkov_levels can be redistributed but licence requires that all files (exe, etc) are distributed together
11:32.51solmumahacan you extract the .grp and distribute it with the rest?
11:33.16mikkov_so if ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/3dduke13.zip is downloaded and extracted and unnecessary file are deleted it is ok
11:34.11solmumahaah, .SHR is just a zip file
11:34.15solmumahaso it can be done easily
11:34.27solmumahawant me to write it? we'd need to depend on zip and wget i guess
11:34.46solmumaha*unzip
11:35.07mikkov_if you want to ;)
11:36.12mikkov_there is maemo-confirm-text which can be used for dialogs
11:36.23solmumahayes, i've used it a lot
11:37.36mikkov_so first question would be if user wants to downloads levels and second question which mmc?
11:37.37solmumahacheck if there's no /media/mmc[1-2]/share/duke3dsw, ask if user wants to dl them, then ask which mmc to use
11:37.41solmumahayes :)
11:38.03solmumahacan you start xterm so that it runs wget?
11:39.14mikkov_i think you have to do it in background or hidden
11:39.32mikkov_if [ `gconftool-2 --get /system/osso/af/internal-mmc-device-present` == 'false' ] ; then (for checking mmc)
11:41.13solmumahai guess you'd need to check space too
11:41.18solmumahayou do it! :p
11:41.23hrwsomeone know mpd build for os2006?
11:42.16solmumahahrw: tried sonata?
11:42.27hrwsolmumaha: url?
11:42.35solmumahaisn't it in extras?
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11:50.55solmumahasonata would probably work with 2008he
11:50.55hrwsolmumaha: I ignore hacker editions
11:50.56hrwthis 770 has 64mb ram and 64mb card so swap is not an option and 2007/2008 on 64ram is pain
11:50.56solmumahagxmms2 would probably compile out of box if you have gregale sdk
11:50.56solmumahabut that would require some xmms2 packages too
11:50.56solmumahayou could setup xmms2 and some web frontend and use it with a browser
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11:54.01GeneralAntilleslardman, ping.
11:54.39GeneralAntillesjott, ping.
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12:07.02Jaffap.m.o broken?
12:08.19GAN800Semi-working here
12:09.04GAN800I wish there were a way to disallow all application topping.
12:09.31GAN800There's only one case where I want to see an application, and that's when I ask for it.
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12:10.04GAN800That case does not include times when the application thinks I want to see it.
12:10.30solmumahamikkov_: can't you just bundle the duke3d zip and extract and delete it in postinst?
12:10.34solmumahait's not that big
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12:11.59mikkov_maybe that's simpler
12:12.12tekojoJaffa: p.m.o?
12:12.38Jaffatekojo: planet.maemo.orrg
12:13.09JaffaGAN800: yeah, just seems to be the header
12:13.46mikkov_solmumaha: I'll make a separate duke3dsw-data package
12:14.14GeneralAntillesAre there any matchbox or Xomap hacks to say "ignore all top requests"?
12:14.19solmumahathat sounds good
12:14.36solmumahaand do build the full version too, it's almost identical to sw
12:14.38GeneralAntillesWith a single-window wm like Matchbox, shit topping itself left and right is about the most irritating thing I can imagine.
12:15.12JaffaGeneralAntilles: It's been pissing me off more & more. Wouldn't be too bad if the processor was quick enough that I didn't have time to go off and do something else for half an hour whilst the browser loaded.
12:15.21GeneralAntillesYeah. :\
12:15.22mikkov_solmumaha: yes, I will make full build too when I update the package
12:15.34GeneralAntillesI love trying to load a page in MicroB, switching to XChat
12:15.39GeneralAntilleshaving it switch me back to MicroB
12:15.44GeneralAntillesswitching back to XChat
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12:16.03GeneralAntillesMakes me want to stab my eyes out.
12:17.00GeneralAntillesI don't even want applications to top themselves when they open.
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12:30.10GeneralAntillesNice, tablet now refuses to boot.
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12:34.57johnxGeneralAntilles, the window manager should just tell them no
12:35.10GeneralAntillesjohnx, can we patch matchbox to make it so?
12:35.18johnxlikely
12:35.25johnxother window managers can do it
12:35.34johnxI don't have a patch for you :)
12:35.49johnxheh...maybe just remove support for windows raising themselves?
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12:39.51lcuk_webwaves
12:40.46GeneralAntillesjohnx, fsck.ext3 is now segfaulting trying to fix an partition on my 8GB AData card. :\
12:40.59johnxO_o
12:41.02johnxdmesg?
12:41.12johnxoh, adata
12:42.36GeneralAntillessighs.
12:43.01johnxanyone else have experience with adata cards?
12:43.03johnxis curious
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12:44.07lcuk_webGeneralAntilles: its not the 48mhz patch is it
12:47.29GeneralAntillesNo
12:47.44GeneralAntillesIt wouldn't see the card if it were a 48MHz issue.
12:48.10lcuk_webjust pondering, arent these things borderline occasionally
12:49.05johnxlcuk_web, I often get that feeling about sd cards as a rule
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12:49.45henriquehi, does anyone knows how to grab focus to a gtk widget and makes the virtual keyboard to appear?
12:49.47lcuk_webheh johnx, GeneralAntilles when jott first installed 48mhz patch my card was visible
12:49.53lcuk_webthen it burnt in flames
12:50.04lcuk_weband was lost forever as you say
12:50.13henriquein such way the user can start typing as soon as the dialog is drawed in the screen?
12:51.53lcuk_webbbl
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12:53.44MangoFusionspeaking of focus, does anyone notice that when you disable the address bar in fullscreen mode in the browser, the virtual keyboard vanishes when you press backspace?
12:55.16henriqueMangoFusion, do you know if what I'm asking is possible?
12:55.41MangoFusionsorry, no.
12:56.20johnxGeneralAntilles, does dmesg say something exciting?
12:56.33GeneralAntillesNo, nothing interesting as far as I can see.
12:57.28johnxthat's actually pretty interesting
12:57.49johnxwhere does fsck segfault?
12:58.26GeneralAntillesi_fsize for inode 78397 (...) is 140, should be zero.   Clear<y>? yes   Segmentation fault
12:59.18johnxheh
12:59.27johnxdo you have something else to fsck it with?
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12:59.37GeneralAntillesNo. :\
13:00.46johnxdo you have a usb cable and a computer with fsck on it?
13:00.55johnxhint: a mac would work...
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13:01.03GeneralAntillesext3 support on OS X has never worked right for me
13:01.06GeneralAntillesUSBF:7495.153AppleUSBEHCI[0x4733800]::Found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 0x4b, timing out! (Addr: 14, EP: 2)
13:01.09GeneralAntillesSays dmesg on my G5.
13:01.27johnxyou're not going to use that driver, just let fsck have access to the block device
13:02.19johnxthough that looks more low level...
13:02.29johnxI don't think that's an fs thing so much as a device level thing
13:03.27GeneralAntillesYeah, I don't think it's listing a device.
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13:04.58johnxI don't have a mac here to work along with you and my memory isn't good enough of how *bsd names its devices...
13:05.44GeneralAntillesNormally they show up in /dev/disk*
13:07.00johnxcan you mount the card r/o and recover your stuff, then format?
13:07.39GeneralAntillesYeah, I can get the stuff off the FAT partition.
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13:08.53johnxbut the ext2 part won't even mount?
13:09.06GeneralAntillesNope
13:09.11GeneralAntillesNothing really important on there anyway.
13:09.27johnxick
13:09.49pupnik810hi GeneralAntilles johnx et al
13:09.54johnxhey pupnik810
13:09.55GeneralAntillesHey, pupnik810.
13:10.04johnxGeneralAntilles, when you reformat, use mkfs.ext3 -cc /dev/foo1
13:10.08johnxor whatever
13:10.16johnxthat way it'll run a badblocks check
13:10.23johnxmight help in the future
13:10.32GeneralAntillesI'm switching to my 4GB Transcend
13:10.57johnxgonna junk this card?
13:11.08johnxhave you had good luck with transcend?
13:12.28GeneralAntillesHaven't had any issues
13:12.44GeneralAntillesHadn't had any issues with AData until today
13:12.46GeneralAntillessooo
13:12.52GeneralAntillesThe 8GB Transcend is just gonna be FAT mass storage.
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13:20.09herwoodhi
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13:21.07herwoodis there still some way of recognizing when user is using tablet's touch screen with fingers or stylus?
13:21.47herwoodI remember that there was this feature in N800's menu, but N810's menu doesn't anymore work in the same way
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13:29.10johnxherwood, do you have the latest version of OS2008?
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13:37.18GeneralAntillesandre___, ping.
13:38.01andre___GeneralAntilles, pong
13:38.38herwoodjohnx: yea, and I'm using N810
13:38.39pupnik810anybody mention / release any playable games / emus lately?
13:38.56pupnik810i've not kept up
13:39.06herwoodjohnx: I would be interested in using that kind of feature in my own app
13:39.11herwoodif its possible
13:39.30GeneralAntillespupnik810, there's a bunch in Extras and Extra-devel.
13:39.42johnxherwood, libxsp (I believe) provides pressure data. From that I guess you can try and guess what's touching the screen
13:40.22herwoodthat sounds good, thanks for the tip!
13:40.31SavagoGood morning.
13:40.35pupnik810what section?
13:40.45pupnik810GeneralAntilles..
13:40.49GeneralAntillesGames
13:40.52SavagoI got one question: is there a ca-certificates package for maemo?
13:41.37SavagoStandard Debian one has dependencies (openssl that depends on libc and so on) making it a tough choice.
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13:43.13SavagoSo I imagined that a so basic package (ca-certificates) would be already available for maemo... anyone have a clue?
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13:45.53johnxherwood, and if you haven't already found this, this might be helpful, though I don't know if the API has changed since then: https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data
13:49.18lcukherwood, its not just based on pressure, but also on "wiggle".  when a finger or thumb pad touches the surface the cursor wiggles quickly in a small area keeping the centrepoint as the centre of gravity for the push
13:49.36lcukit should be possible to use standard mouse events to identify this
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13:49.47lcukpressure  is only one small part of the equation
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13:58.40herwoodlcuk: so did you mean that it is possible detect the pressing object (either finger or stylus) simply by using standard mouse events?
13:58.49herwoodor did I get it wrong?
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14:03.53pupnik810x does get mouse events
14:08.04pupnik810btw 'mornin' lcuk :)
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14:09.56pupnik810does the tablet recognize finger press by the noise/wiggle in the x/y coordinates?
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14:11.10X-Fadepupnik810: Open the sketch app and press two finders on the screen at the same time with a few cm distance between them.
14:11.22X-FadeAnd see the dot appear in the middle of your fingers.
14:11.38X-Fade*between
14:11.59pupnik810.
14:12.40X-FadeIt somehow calculates the average of press.
14:13.08pupnik810or this is a property of the detector
14:15.01pupnik810anybody working on maemo 4 pandora?
14:15.32johnxpupnik810, you mean getting maemo apps into angstrom or trying to drag os2008 kicking and screaming?
14:16.06pupnik810dunno how
14:16.35pupnik810want maemo / itos to become more mainstream
14:16.52GeneralAntillesITOS is deprecated. ;)
14:16.56johnxpupnik810, OS2008 is mostly closed in terms of userfacing stuff
14:18.05pupnik810ya well there should be a build for pandora too
14:18.17pupnik810call it cheap advertising
14:18.27GeneralAntillesBetter off getting the Hildon desktop environment going on Debian or Ubuntu
14:18.34johnxpupnik810, Nokia loses money on software to sell hardware
14:18.39pupnik810ah ok
14:18.42johnxGeneralAntilles, that is no small task
14:18.55GeneralAntillesjohnx, did you see qgil's post?
14:19.02johnxafter mine?
14:19.05johnxno
14:19.20GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24254
14:19.28johnxthanks
14:19.35GeneralAntillespupnik810, a few people already have Maemo running on the Beagle, anyway.
14:19.42GeneralAntillesJust need to get the specifics from them.
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14:24.26pupnik810yah
14:24.40pupnik810ty for link GeneralAntilles
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14:32.35qwerty12sighs @ #2710 and goes to upload a patch
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14:45.59qwerty12loves it when a person puts a youtube of a nice application but then nicely uploads it to their svn too :)
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14:47.52aquatixqwerty12: as in `commits the whole fracking movie to svn'? :)
14:48.35qwerty12aquatix: Not quite :P . God, when did my English go so bad >.<
14:51.21GeneralAntillesIt's the drugs, man. :P
14:52.25qwerty12Hehe, me goodbye drugs say :p
14:52.33johnxGeneralAntilles, the licensing catch-22 is depressing :/
14:52.56lopzhola
14:53.08johnxhackers: "Nokia, open-source stuff!" Nokia: "Hackers, show us a reason!"
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14:53.24GeneralAntillesjohn, yeah. :\
14:53.33GeneralAntillesMaybe we should just threaten them more.
14:53.39johnxwith what?
14:53.47GeneralAntillesFrozen trout wallopings.
14:54.26GeneralAntillesSet up in front of Nokia HQ with catapults and Linux hackers equipped with frozen trouts. ;)
14:54.39johnx"to retrieve your pandora, please return the enclosed frozen trout with the impression of a Nokia lawyer's face on the side"
14:55.06johnxI mean they waited like 2 years for this thing. assault and battery will pale in comparison
14:55.10qwerty12I hear the Finns like fish so I guess fish is the way to go.
14:56.21timelesslicense catch-22?
14:56.52GeneralAntillesjohnx, not enough guarantees, we should require them to return with the source for at least one package before they get their Pandoras. ;)
14:57.13johnxqgil wants us to ignore the EULA and experiment running OS2008 on other hardware. hackers want to see an open license before putting time into a project
14:58.55johnxactually, I guess that's the answer: take the path of least resistance to get OS2008 mostly running on the pandora, then come back to Nokia and ask for some source
15:00.29timelessoops, wrong window
15:00.31timelessoops, wrong window
15:00.34timelesswhat is pandora?
15:00.39aquatixgaming handheld
15:00.47GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)
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15:00.50GeneralAntillesBeagle Board in a case.
15:01.09johnxbeagleboard in a case, with a nice screen, a little keyboard and some gaming controls
15:01.50qwerty12I can't see Nokia budging. They provide a retarded environment for their SDK, I can't see them going for the pandora.
15:01.52aquatixand pre-installed emulators
15:02.37johnxqwerty12, every time I see a post from qgil I get hopeful, then I remember that he's not on the legal team :/
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15:03.56GeneralAntillesjohnx, sadly, the people who are on our side are already on our side, and those that aren't we can't get to. . . .
15:04.01qwerty12johnx: I see Nokia's Internet Tablet division and maemo.org (apologies in advance if capitalisation etc is wrong...) as two separate entities. And I have to say, I think of Nokia with the upper hand by far
15:04.24GeneralAntillesqwerty12, Maemo Software or the hardware division?
15:04.27johnxwell, gqil is definitely "Nokia"
15:04.39GeneralAntillesURLS aren't capitalized.
15:04.47X-Fadejohnx: No, qgil is Maemo Software.
15:04.58timelessMaemo Software: Marketing
15:05.02timelessor something like that
15:05.07X-Fadetimeless: yep
15:05.09johnxah, ok, thanks
15:05.29GeneralAntillesmarketing manager, open source
15:05.29GeneralAntillesMaemo Software @ Nokia
15:05.32GeneralAntillesAccording to the signature.
15:05.45qwerty12GeneralAntilles: I don't really see any deviation any more. You have people who put closed source apps in catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com (which is an odd link back to repository.maemo.org/catalogue (or something like that))
15:09.45GeneralAntillesqwerty12, deviation between?
15:12.39qwerty12Hmm, I have no idea what I just said, sorry. I see the hardware division (and it includes software too as shown by agps-ui & icd2 dummy module uploaded without any source) and Maemo Software as two separate entities.
15:13.12GeneralAntillesYes, that's correct.
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15:13.23qwerty12just saw Maemo Software and read it as Maemo Software instead of the literal meaning. *bangs face on desk*
15:13.44qwerty12s/literal meaning/qwerty's idea of literal meaning
15:13.53MangoFusionpandora is a beagle board in a case? interesting
15:14.32johnxhttp://openpandora.org
15:14.32MangoFusionguess it makes perfect sense
15:14.44johnxnot literally a beagleboard
15:15.06johnxbut the same OMAP3, with 128MB RAM/256MB NAND
15:15.10MangoFusionof course, i'm just thinking conceptually
15:15.30johnxI just didn't want to spread misinformation :)
15:15.54MangoFusionhahaha
15:17.13GeneralAntillesMostly all it shares with the Beagle is the SoC and PoP
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15:28.01sumantahello
15:28.14sumantaanybody can help me with osso-wlancond
15:28.50sumantacan anyone help me out with osso-wlancond?
15:29.10johnxwhat's the problem?
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15:29.29sumantai am a complete newbie and want to programmetically control wlan interface
15:30.47sumantai have downloaded osso-wlan, osso-wlan-dev and studied the code there
15:31.06sumantathere seem to be some functions to control the state but I am not very sure how to use it
15:31.23StsN800look at libconic
15:31.44sumantai think with libconic i can scan and do those kind of things
15:31.56sumantabut can i control the state of wlan interface with libconic?
15:32.07StsN800think so
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15:32.28StsN800dunno though
15:32.42sumantai dont think so
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15:33.22sumantalibconic api has conicconnection, conicevent, conicconnectionevent and conicstatistics
15:33.35sumantathey only help with connecting and scanning
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15:34.46sumantahas anyone programmed with osso-wlancond before?
15:34.50qwerty12dbus can control icd too. On -developers, I posted dbus-send lines to switch the tablet from offline mode to online and vice versa and matan posted some dbus-send lines to specify which network you want to connect to (that is already saved) and something else.
15:35.24sumantaok
15:35.36sumantawhere can I get those lines, can u direct me?
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15:36.01qwerty12http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/41806
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15:37.10sumantaoh, so its a script to be run
15:38.35sumantabut can it be used to put the interface in a powersave mode, or to change its power usage in db?
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15:50.58gregoroviusHey... I was thinking of having erminig auto update. I see it can be scripted, but I'm wondering if there's a way to run something upon internet connection instead of just dumb cron
15:51.10qwerty12dbus-scripts
15:51.57GAN800feels like qwerty12
15:52.11qwerty12Steady :P
15:52.12GAN800So many hacks to rehack after a clean flash. :/
15:52.46qwerty12Community edition ftw
15:52.51GAN800Yeah
15:52.57gregoroviusI don't see the dbus executable on the tablet, so I guess bash is out of the question
15:53.15GAN800qwerty12, now that you have a charger. . . .
15:53.38GAN800and since jott seems to be otherwise occupied.
15:54.20qwerty12But I'm not jott :/ and I don't know a quarter of the stuff that he knows :/
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15:54.44GeneralAntillesYeah, but you _are_ qwerty12, and a start's a start. ;)
15:56.16qwerty12:/
15:56.42GeneralAntillesGetting something concrete going will hopefully encourage others to pitch in.
15:56.50GeneralAntillesRight now, we're just uselessly treading wate.r
15:57.49sumantaas always, all discussions end, when we come to the topic of using osso-dbuscond
15:58.22GeneralAntilles:/
15:58.33sumanta:(
15:58.48qwerty12GeneralAntilles: True, but I really don't see me kick-starting this. I'm not a programmer (just little hacks here and there)
15:59.10GAN800It's all packaging for the time being.
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16:00.46sumantaqwrety12: where can i get those status/device mode strings that I need to enclose in "" after the d-bus call?
16:01.09qwerty12sumanta: erm, what dbus call?
16:01.26sumantaqwrety12: the link you directed me to
16:01.54sumantausr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=signal /com/nokia/mce/signal com.nokia.mce.signal.sig_device_mode_ind string:"flight"
16:02.24sumantaqwrety12: here you used string "flight", how can i get a list of this type of strings that I can use
16:02.36qwerty12Oh, those. I just sniffed that out with dbus-monitor --system and setting the tablet to offline while dbus-monitor was running
16:02.45sumantaoh ok
16:03.13sumantaisnt there any doc or manual?
16:03.49qwerty12solmumaha: ping
16:04.15sumantasorry?
16:04.59melmothsumanta: libconic header file
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16:06.25melmothor maybe in mce-dev
16:06.34sumantamelmoth: can libconic control the interface? i think it can only help us with connectin and scanning
16:06.49melmothyep  /usr/include/mce/mode-names.h
16:07.00sumantaoh thanks
16:07.14solmumahaqwerty12: pong
16:07.30GAN800wants and advanced-connectivity.
16:07.35GAN800s/and/an/
16:09.14qwerty12solmumaha: knots doesn't happen to keep a log file anywhere? I'm trying to stream Don't mess with the zohan as a test (being the only thing on the linux partition) and knots on the tablet goes back to the file list after 10 seconds after choosing it (and I don't get no video). vlc on the desktop is playing it fine
16:10.37solmumaha~./config/knots/knots.log or just stop it and run with ./knots stick
16:10.58solmumahais it 0.9.x vlc?
16:11.24qwerty12Yep, 0.9.4 compiled from ubuntu intrepid sources y/day :)
16:12.20qwerty12Hmm, can't make heads nor tails of it: http://slexy.org/view/s2ldFx7kMu
16:12.27solmumahaah, did you grab it today?
16:12.32qwerty12Yep
16:13.01solmumahatry running ./scripts/update again
16:13.52qwerty12Ah, I see I now have knots_0.2.9.deb in cli, let me update the client :)
16:14.26solmumahai made a little oops today
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16:15.46qwerty12Arrgh, still doing it :/. Let me check if I'm running another copy in the background :/
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16:58.34lcukX-Fade, did you see the multitouch thing i left you
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17:39.15GeneralAntillesjohnx, Eero says disabling the topping at the wm level will totally break everything.
17:39.39johnxI wonder why some WMs can get away with it
17:40.11GeneralAntilleshttp://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3557#c13
17:40.17GeneralAntillesYeah, I dunno. :\
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17:51.33johnxGeneralAntilles, he's probably right. the focus stealing prevention in other WMs probably relies on guessing whether the raise request was related to something the user did or whether it was generated by the app :/
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18:04.59GeneralAntillesyerga, any chance you could support Midgard with Maemo WordPy? ;)
18:05.31GeneralAntillesWhich, just as a heads up, is a trademark violation for Nokia.
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18:19.04X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I think midgard also supports the weblog api.
18:19.34X-FadeGeneralAntilles: And Wordpy for Maemo would be better, I guess.
18:21.28GeneralAntillesYeah, WordPy for Maemo would be compliant.
18:21.46Sargun_Screenquick ui question: why dont we just put the osk button next to the ctrl button?
18:22.43GeneralAntillesX-Fade, that was a mostly facetious question, good to hear that it might actually be workable.
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18:25.19X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I know, but you might be surprised ;)
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18:30.51cyrus___How do I modify the icons on the left portion of the screen (web, contacts, applications)?
18:32.07johnxreplace them with something else? or edit the menus?
18:35.02cyrus___johnx - that is what I am wondering, it seems the theme controls what icons to use, but I checked all the theme images and non of them were what was displayed
18:35.30johnxah, just the actual picture
18:37.44cyrus___yes
18:39.04johnxI'm sure it must be the theme that controls it
18:39.35johnxhave you tried dissecting a theme that changes the icon?
18:39.45qwerty12_N800it's separate to the theme. i can't remember file names tho. i'll dig it up
18:40.53johnxah, right, I remember all those .debs that change it for you and then don't really change it back
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18:44.05qwerty12_N800ofc, more than 3 files that begin with that but should be easy to figure what is what :)
18:45.29lcukqwerty12_N800, :) thanks, im investigating and following up now its reproducable
18:46.46johnxsleeps
18:47.04qwerty12_N800lcuk, no problems :). just out of question, have you tried it on a tablet without 36-5 update?
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18:49.41summatusmentisanyone using their n8x0 for a media player? What's the battery life like?
18:49.45cyrus___qwerty12_N800 - how does the theme.xml file reference what files to use?
18:50.00cyrus___nvm, got it
18:50.33lcukqwerty12_N800, no, but ive got a lead im following
18:50.54qwerty12_N800ok, cool
18:50.56mgedmindoes, and dunno
18:51.02mgedminenough to walk to work and back while listening to music
18:51.28mgedminnot enough for 2-hour plane flight followed by 1 hour in the airport followed by a 11-hour plane flight
18:52.00mgedminwould guess somewhere around 5 hours
18:52.11summatusmentisso... 5 hours?
18:52.24summatusmentishaha, beat me
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18:52.41mgedminwell, now we have two estimates
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18:52.51mgedminwhich are surprisingly close
18:53.05summatusmentis:-/ that's kinda low
18:53.27mgedminyes
18:54.01mgedminreading ebooks with fbreader: 7 hours
18:54.09mgedminwalking around with gps on: 3 hours
18:54.13mgedminif not less
18:54.29summatusmentisI might just have to get an ipod touch, and keep my n810 for hacking
18:54.45GeneralAntillesI've been in the 10-hour range with mp3s and screen off.
18:54.54mgedminalso, I tend to recharge as soon as the battery indicator stops showing 100%
18:55.12mgedminso my estimates are rather conservative
18:55.30MekI've even been in the 4/5 hours range with gps and screen on...
18:55.33mgedminwould like to get an ipod shuffle for music, but Apple doesn't want to give one to him
18:56.04summatusmentisshuffle isn't big enough for me
18:56.30mgedminheh, smallness is its selling point
18:56.40mgedminalthough I suppose you mean the capacity rather than physical size
18:56.57summatusmentisright, capacity
18:59.44summatusmentisI like the openness of maemo, and I'd love to use it for everything... Battery life makes it not terribly feasible :-(
19:01.48mgedminat least it's better than a laptop's battery life
19:02.08mgedminsighs and wishes for magical new battery tech
19:02.59summatusmentistrue. Maybe I can justify keeping it as a mini computer :)
19:03.35melmothmgedmin: what about an olpc crank ? :)
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19:20.07lcukliqbase: first run flickering is reproducable at 800*480 only, at 640*480 i get no flickering at all.  i can switch between 640*480 no flicker and 800*480 flicker within the app and show difference, however this is ONLY on first run
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19:20.26lcukdoes anyone have any 800*480 movies?
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19:21.15zaplcuk: look here http://www.blender.org/
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19:22.45zapthere's a 854x480 sized variant of "big buck bunny" :)
19:22.59qwerty12_N800zap, out of question, did you ever try a g_ether.ko from 2.6.18 in 2.6.21?
19:26.49zapqwerty12_N800: yes
19:27.02zapthe problem is not in g_ether, but in the OMAP OTG driver
19:27.05lcukzap, thanks
19:27.10qwerty12_N800ah, ok, thanks zap
19:27.27zapqwerty12_N800: the OTG driver from 2.6.18 is uncompilable on 2.6.21
19:27.51qwerty12_N800yeah, i saw that when i tried :/
19:28.55zapthe UDC driver for OTG is quite huge :-\
19:29.04zaperr... for OMAP
19:29.48qwerty12_N800i've used g_serial in windows, but g_ether would be nice
19:29.59zaplcuk: embedding a video player into your app? :)
19:30.59lcukno zap
19:31.12lcuki want to test if mplayer suffers from the same glitch at 800*480 first run
19:31.16lcukit could be a longterm bug
19:31.45lcukbut by default mplayer opens at res required and i cant find or know of any actual fullscreen video files
19:32.46qwerty12_N800if i can get time, i'll dump my mtdblock4 and try  liqbase on a pre 36-5 tablet
19:33.29lcukqwerty12_N800, doesnt matter for now i dont think - its a problem with people now
19:44.19lcukmade his own movie at 800*480
19:44.40qwerty12_N800~lart bugzilla.gnome.org
19:44.40infobotwhips out a sword and chops bugzilla.gnome.org in half
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20:21.58yergaGeneralAntilles, I think would be easy to do
20:22.18yergaMidgard supports the metaweblog api
20:22.57yergaand wordpress is using metaweblog with steroids
20:23.28yergaso wordpy practically has the infrastructure to post to midgard
20:23.35yergajust some fixes
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20:54.45melmothping moontiger
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20:55.24moontigermelmoth :)
20:55.26moontigerhi
20:55.28melmothhola
20:55.37melmothI just received your mail.
20:55.37moontigeri just emailed u
20:55.39moontigerhe
20:55.47melmothCommit as much as you want in the server direcrtory
20:55.50melmothit s yours :)
20:55.56moontigerok coolio thnx :)
20:56.04melmothif you feel like changin stuff elsewhere, please do that in a separate branch
20:56.05moontigeri should have somrething to play with very soon
20:56.14melmothhttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch04s07.html
20:56.16moontigerwont touch anything else until we talk about it
20:56.32melmothi ll do the same (commit in a separate branch) if i feel like changing stuf fin the server dir
20:56.42melmothso then it will be up to the "owner" of a dir to merge stuff or not
20:57.02moontigerok cool ... im not 100% with svn branches and stuff but i guess i should learn
20:57.07StskeepsGeneralAntilles: maybe the whole discussion should be "is it possible to rebuild maemo from scratch without the nokia pieces, so it's functional enough to start supporting your own platform"?
20:57.19Stskeepsnokia closed pieces, that is
20:57.35moontigersticks the nokia logo back on
20:57.49melmothsvn branches are really easy to create. Merging may be more tricky if other changes occured in the source
20:57.55moontigerright
20:58.05moontigeri will just focus on the server for now until thats good to go
20:58.14moontigerthen we can look at everything and see whats next
20:58.23melmothyop.
20:58.26moontiger:)
20:58.44moontigerand i *really* want to learn more dbus stuff when i get time
20:58.45melmothI think next things will be not to record every sinigle gps fix, i m not sure how fast will it eat memory.
20:58.51moontigerright
20:58.55moontigeri thought about that
20:59.00mgedminrecommends http://mg.pov.lt/eazysvn/ for less finger-wearing svn branch merging
20:59.06moontigeri can make the server only keep the last 10 or 20
20:59.18melmothi am afraid there is a leak somewhere, but i was not able to find where exactly. I think it s related to the device status change
20:59.23GeneralAntillesStskeeps, well, what've you got by then?
20:59.29GeneralAntillesA desktop environment and a few applications?
20:59.50StskeepsGeneralAntilles: indeed
20:59.51moontigermelmoth, dont keep anything on the device
20:59.56moontigersend it all to the server
20:59.59StskeepsGeneralAntilles: because most maemo apps.. depends on nokia pieces
21:00.07Stskeepswhich means maemo and nokia aren't seperable :P
21:00.15melmothmhh, i think we can store quite a lot on the server, i was afraid of the limit on the tablet :) I think on the server this should be changeable by the server owner.
21:00.24moontigerright
21:00.25melmothand data about to be removed should be send to the user by mail
21:00.37moontiger10 or 20 can be a default but any limit within reason is ok
21:00.44melmothnothing is ketp on the device. It is stored, untill a connexion is up, then it is send
21:00.51moontigerok i see
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21:01.02melmothbut if there are 4 hours of gps, 2 days in a row, without connexion, i wonder what will happen
21:01.17moontigermaybe only keep 10 or 20 data points for each
21:01.22moontigeruntil u can upload
21:01.23melmothwhen the device states that the aplication must save its data , it is saved in /tmp/positions.txt
21:01.36moontigerright
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21:01.46moontigerof course ... shutdown notifications etc
21:02.30GeneralAntillesWell, then should our focus be on pushing people away from Nokia-specific dependencies and towards more compatible practices?
21:03.08moontigermelmoth, also maybe look at the timestamp of the last update and limit to only so many per hour or whatever?
21:03.17Stskeepsthat was my thought, but that may also hinder platform development cos there's not many alternatives to stuff like libconic, gps libs, etc.. not sure how open they are
21:03.32melmothyep, i think that s what i ll do.
21:03.41melmothi first have to see how fast does it fill.
21:03.43moontigerStskeeps, surely once we know the chip used in the gps we can get a driver for it?
21:03.48moontigerright
21:03.56Stskeepsmoontiger: oh, problem isn't the driver, it's the libs people use to access with
21:04.07StskeepsGeneralAntilles: maybe simply making a statistics on how dependant the apps are on properitary pieces
21:04.08moontigeri thought it was gpsd?
21:04.20GeneralAntillesgpsd is pretty damn open. ;)
21:04.24moontigerright
21:04.24Stskeepsalright, my bad
21:04.28moontiger:)
21:05.04GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I think the osv-c effort would help expose some of these failure points.
21:05.08Stskeeps*nod*
21:05.18Stskeepsbut taking a apt dependancy tree and mark "tainted" packages
21:05.23Stskeepscould be interesting
21:05.28GeneralAntillesYeah
21:06.07Stskeeps"your app depends 15% closed source packages"
21:06.55moontigeru know ive been in the hal channel for the last few days and nobody talks
21:07.11moontiger\its like they have all achieved a state of zen esp or something
21:07.13mgedmin'cause dave pulled out all the memory modules
21:07.17moontigerand communicate without words
21:07.19Stskeepsascended, eh?
21:07.27melmoththey r waiting for a callback.
21:07.31moontigerhahaha
21:07.38moontigeri didnt register an event handler
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21:09.58Stskeepstry writing to them in HAL API
21:10.44moontigerhahaha
21:10.54moontigeruse dbus-send
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21:12.03melmothtime to sleep over here. good night maemo !
21:12.39moontigernight melmoth
21:12.40moontiger:)
21:14.35moontigeri tried dbus-send --dest=channel
21:14.39moontigerand it worked :)
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21:15.42Stskeepshehe
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21:19.09RST38h~curse MIPS again just because it is never enough
21:19.10infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, MIPS again just because it is never enough !
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21:53.48roueoops
21:53.50roue:)
21:54.08mikkov_it takes every five minutes ONE package for building
21:54.28mgedminare the autobuilder scripts public?
21:54.31mgedmini.e. can we submit patches?
21:54.41GeneralAntillesmgedmin, of course.
21:54.52GeneralAntilleshttp://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/
21:54.58GeneralAntillesBugzilla is a good route for patches.
21:55.05mikkov_there are 3 builders, but when one package takes 1 minute to build, builders are idling and queue get longer..
21:55.14GeneralAntillesOr just harass X-Fade.
21:55.40mgedminwhat was the name of that package that checked for packages used for building a deb?
21:56.00mikkov_dpkg-checkbuilddeps
21:56.13mikkov_but it doesn't work for me though
21:56.14RST38hif he gets harassed any more, he may commit harakiri
21:56.22mgedminI got it to work once, somehow
21:56.49qwerty12_N80Omikkov_, do you have devscripts installed?
21:57.00RST38hsleep.
21:57.01mikkov_for me it doesn't work because strace segfaults on my machine
21:57.18mikkov_qwerty12_N80O: yep
21:57.19qwerty12_N80Oah, for me, i was missing devscripts
21:57.38mgedminno, that's not the one I meant
21:57.53mikkov_something else?
21:57.53mgedmindpkg-depcheck, that's what
21:57.59mgedmindpkg-depcheck -m dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
21:58.19mgedminwill install a LD_PRELOAD hook and track all the files opened during the build process, then prints out the package names
21:58.32mgedminhelps you construct the build-depends line in debian/control
21:58.42mgedmina bit faster than playing ping-pong with the autobuilder
21:58.46mikkov_actually I meant to say dpkg-genbuilddeps...
21:59.07mgedmincool
21:59.22mgedminit's a wrapper around dpkg-depcheck
21:59.54mikkov_yeah, just remembered
22:00.34mikkov_I get "resume: ptrace(PTRACE_SYSCALL, ...): No such process" with it
22:01.03mikkov_and some more crap and then it hangs
22:02.12GeneralAntillesI wish we had a way to change background programmatically.
22:09.46mikkov_change background image path at /home/user/.osso/hildon-desktop/home-background.conf and restart hildon-desktop ;)
22:10.54GeneralAntillesmikkov_, need something better.
22:11.04GeneralAntillesI want to have it cycle the image every 24 hours.
22:11.10GeneralAntillesCleanly
22:12.53qwerty12_N80OAn external program would be needed, it doesn't have an dbus interface. The nice thing is that code for hildon background manager is in hildon-desktop
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22:16.15qwerty12_N80Ok, i lied, it does use dbus, can't see how it sets an image though
22:20.06GeneralAntilleshttp://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3030
22:32.22derfWith an X pixmap ID, of course.
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22:39.32yacoobuhhh. New parser. 'With an X pimpmap ID, of course'.
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22:46.14derfBut yeah, it looks like you'd have to have a daemon running to intercept that DBUS call, log the pixmap ID, and then draw directly to the pixmap and force a window repaint somehow, and then hope hildon desktop doesn't invoke one of its 18 ways to reload what _it_ thinks the background image is.
22:46.52derfBecause there appears to be no way to change that value externally short of restarting hildon-desktop.
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23:09.37LiraNuna;
23:14.09smackpotatohow come minigpsd seems to work better than gpds,
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