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| 00:06.15 | whodat | how do i get google roads on maemo maps? |
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| 00:30.40 | whodat | 5B |
| 00:30.43 | lopz | hola |
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| 00:55.18 | mgedmin | google roads? |
| 00:55.25 | mgedmin | you mean the street map? |
| 00:55.39 | mgedmin | you should be able to download repositories from the menu |
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| 01:13.28 | lewing | is XSPSetTSRawMode still used? |
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| 01:33.30 | bef0rd | http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg282/rizzy811/iphonevsstone.jpg |
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| 01:36.11 | mgedmin | reminds me of http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajaxed/2212112946/ |
| 01:38.02 | moontiger | thats hilarious |
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| 02:32.56 | dick-richardson | where's the setting to have the mail app check for new messages? |
| 02:33.12 | dick-richardson | the time interval... |
| 02:33.36 | lopz | night |
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| 03:48.49 | whodat | largest capacity mini sd for n810 is 8gb? |
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| 04:06.35 | tank-man | i hear there are 16gb microsd, could use that with micro-mini adapter |
| 04:06.42 | tank-man | adaptor? |
| 04:07.08 | tank-man | adapter |
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| 04:39.40 | closet_ | tank-man: yup http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24245 :) |
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| 04:53.03 | orifice | does canola support Daap ? |
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| 05:16.48 | RST38h | "The boom in women pretending to be lesbians to attract attention is leaving a trail of emotional destruction, according to a social commentator... Several high-profile relationships involving "real lesbians" and women more often linked to men -- such as MTV's Ruby Rose and Jess Origliasso, and Samantha Ronson and Lindsay Lohan -- have reportedly encouraged a wave of fauxmosexuals on the real life party circuit." |
| 05:18.08 | Proteous | fauxmosexual |
| 05:18.10 | Proteous | hmm |
| 05:18.53 | Proteous | I hate blogs where every comment is a fricking trackback |
| 05:18.55 | RST38h | "queerer an queerer" (c)Alice |
| 05:19.59 | closet_ | orifice: don't think so, just upnp. |
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| 05:32.40 | moontiger | RST38h, yah that stuff pisses me off |
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| 05:33.50 | RST38h | just finds it weird |
| 05:34.17 | moontiger | which bit? |
| 05:34.55 | RST38h | And, as our muslim friend Ahmadinejad would say "a sign of the social and moral collapse of the Western civilization" =) |
| 05:36.02 | moontiger | what ... gay people? |
| 05:36.06 | moontiger | or faux gay people? |
| 05:36.15 | RST38h | faux gay people |
| 05:36.46 | RST38h | gay people are not specific to any time or location |
| 05:36.49 | moontiger | heh good ... me too |
| 05:37.03 | moontiger | some of my best friends are gay |
| 05:37.51 | summatusmentis | why do faux gay people anger you? |
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| 05:38.12 | moontiger | they dont anger me ... they are just pathetic |
| 05:38.26 | summatusmentis | pathetic how? |
| 05:38.31 | RST38h | they don't anger me, why would they? |
| 05:38.41 | RST38h | I just find the trend weird |
| 05:38.55 | summatusmentis | I agree that it's sort of odd |
| 05:39.28 | RST38h | same as metrosexuals really, but those I can still classify as narcisstic |
| 05:39.33 | moontiger | pathetic that they pretend to be something |
| 05:40.36 | summatusmentis | I don't ever really understand people who pretend to be things regardless of orientation |
| 05:40.41 | RST38h | lots of people pretend to be something but why the hell would you pretend to be a lesbian? =) |
| 05:41.18 | RST38h | [with politically correct rage] summa, lesbians are not "things", they are people |
| 05:41.28 | moontiger | thank you |
| 05:41.36 | summatusmentis | RST38h: no, I'm aware, by thing, I meant something they're not |
| 05:41.39 | summatusmentis | or someone they're not |
| 05:41.44 | summatusmentis | or w/e |
| 05:42.06 | RST38h | All of us do every now and then, I am pretty sure you have as well |
| 05:42.08 | summatusmentis | that wasn't intended as objectification |
| 05:42.18 | summatusmentis | I really, really, try not to |
| 05:42.31 | RST38h | ideally, yes... |
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| 05:42.58 | RST38h | oh well, time to go to work. |
| 05:43.09 | summatusmentis | I make choices in my life, as consicously as possible, to not fall into being someone I'm not |
| 05:43.30 | RST38h | it is not very comfortable for a long period of time, yes |
| 05:45.46 | moontiger | agreed |
| 05:46.36 | fluenis | g'moin @all |
| 05:46.45 | fluenis | back from a reflash... |
| 05:47.11 | moontiger | you must have the text color wrong cos i cant see what ur typing |
| 05:47.11 | fluenis | had some problems with last maemo update |
| 05:47.55 | moontiger | ooooops i didnt mean him to get upset |
| 05:47.57 | moontiger | :( |
| 05:48.33 | summatusmentis | stop being so insensitive :P |
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| 05:49.30 | fluenis | hope it'" +35534 <92 |
| 05:49.47 | fluenis | hope it's better now |
| 05:50.13 | moontiger | fluenis, i was joking ... im sorry if u took me seriously |
| 05:50.15 | moontiger | :| |
| 05:50.39 | fluenis | stupid mistakes at the mornin time... hadn't got my coffee now |
| 05:51.06 | moontiger | forgive me :) |
| 05:51.28 | fluenis | anyway - had some probs with the update |
| 05:51.45 | fluenis | hildon desk took about 20% load all the time |
| 05:52.25 | moontiger | i get that on mine too ... 10% - 20% |
| 05:53.12 | fluenis | and after two days without staying a single day with a charge my n810 came to a rebooting circle on power on time |
| 05:53.24 | fluenis | i had to reflash... |
| 05:55.35 | fluenis | but it' interesting how it happened... my system is cloned on to intern 2gigs |
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| 05:57.28 | moontiger | why clone it? |
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| 06:22.35 | orifice | hmm |
| 06:22.44 | orifice | what can I do if I've corrupted my /etc/sudeors file |
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| 06:23.11 | orifice | so that I can't edit it because I need root privleges, but can't because sudo cannot read /etc/sudoers |
| 06:23.28 | moontiger | on n810? |
| 06:23.37 | orifice | yews |
| 06:23.45 | moontiger | install ssh and login to localhost as root |
| 06:23.47 | moontiger | then edit it |
| 06:24.23 | orifice | great |
| 06:24.26 | moontiger | ;) |
| 06:24.27 | orifice | thx |
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| 07:17.07 | gnuite | Anyone else unable to access ITT? |
| 07:17.16 | gnuite | Or have I been banned? :) |
| 07:18.42 | Pavlov | mm |
| 07:18.47 | Pavlov | i can |
| 07:19.37 | gnuite | And just like that, it's back. |
| 07:19.40 | inz | I won't |
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| 07:24.45 | Proteous | damnit, reban him |
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| 07:26.44 | X-Fade | Moning. |
| 07:26.57 | X-Fade | lol, Morning. |
| 07:29.20 | dneary | hi |
| 07:30.13 | moontiger | is fighting with dbus |
| 07:30.17 | moontiger | *sigh* |
| 07:30.45 | inz | Why? |
| 07:30.50 | inz | Work with it, don't fight it |
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| 07:32.57 | moontiger | hehe well im trying to understand it |
| 07:33.04 | moontiger | and code it using glib |
| 07:38.13 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 08:09.05 | RST38h | Enjoy: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/13/AR2008101302701.html?nav=rss_email/components |
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| 08:22.26 | melmoth | is looking for someone who likes to write php :) |
| 08:22.52 | melmoth | I have a "phonehome" daemon nearly ready, that send gps info and some pic on a remote xmlrcp server |
| 08:23.37 | melmoth | i will definitively make something just ofr my own, but it could be fun (for somebody enjoying php, wich i dont) to have a sort of community site around |
| 08:24.01 | melmoth | like, with logins and pass, and some nice display of where your stoled tablet has been the last couple of days on googlemaps |
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| 08:30.59 | inz | Anyone willing to test my ai pack for blobby volley 2: http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/b/blobby-ai/blobby-ai_0.1_all.deb |
| 08:31.46 | moontiger | melmoth i do php |
| 08:32.11 | moontiger | tell me what u need and i'll code it for you |
| 08:32.19 | moontiger | lauren at gagfoot dot com |
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| 08:32.39 | moontiger | have to go to bed now ... its real late |
| 08:32.57 | melmoth | ok |
| 08:33.05 | melmoth | moontiger: is moontiger your itt nick ? |
| 08:33.13 | moontiger | itt? |
| 08:33.24 | melmoth | internettablet talk |
| 08:33.29 | moontiger | not a member |
| 08:33.41 | moontiger | lauren is my garage.maemo name |
| 08:33.46 | moontiger | and my name ;) |
| 08:33.46 | melmoth | ok. |
| 08:33.53 | moontiger | email me and i will build it for you |
| 08:33.55 | moontiger | :) |
| 08:34.02 | melmoth | cool. thanks. |
| 08:34.07 | moontiger | nite nite |
| 08:34.19 | melmoth | good night |
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| 08:43.45 | mikkov_ | inz: Can I include your AI to blobby package? |
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| 09:01.38 | mikkov_ | inz: hmm, licence of AIs isn't very clear. Maybe better to keep them separated. Anyway 2fast4uvo2 beat me 15-0 ;) |
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| 09:21.29 | hellwolf | how could I pre-download maps for specific places in maemo-mapper |
| 09:21.45 | crashanddie | hellwolf, view the area |
| 09:22.00 | crashanddie | hellwolf, then go into map configuration or something, and there's a part called "Download" |
| 09:22.12 | crashanddie | you can select which increments to download |
| 09:22.37 | hellwolf | okok, thanks, then another question is, which disk it downloads to |
| 09:22.45 | hellwolf | 256M or 2G |
| 09:23.13 | crashanddie | IMC, IIRC |
| 09:24.01 | hellwolf | thanks :) |
| 09:25.24 | hellwolf | it told me "Invalid orgin or query" |
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| 09:25.39 | hellwolf | I chose "Use GPS location, Category: Transportation" |
| 09:31.45 | lardman | that's pois |
| 09:32.18 | lardman | you can change the download location too in the map settings dialog |
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| 09:34.34 | hellwolf | thanks a lot. Then, is there any shortcut keys for maemo-mapper |
| 09:34.47 | hellwolf | for example, I want to zoom in/out with keys |
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| 09:37.10 | lardman | use the +/- on the top |
| 09:38.23 | hellwolf | :) ah, I almost forgot that keys |
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| 10:00.23 | lcuk | sneaks in |
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| 10:09.52 | hrw | o lcuk |
| 10:11.18 | lcuk | hiya hrw :D |
| 10:13.14 | lcuk | hrw, do you remember me saying something about multitouch "simulation" last time we met? |
| 10:13.33 | hrw | somtehing |
| 10:13.54 | lcuk | heh, well i get my thoughts into code |
| 10:14.03 | hrw | cool |
| 10:14.06 | lcuk | and it appears to work as well as i expected |
| 10:14.30 | lcuk | obviously its not full multitouch, but it allows for a thumb press and then finger adjustments |
| 10:14.49 | lcuk | liqbase.net has a bit of info and a deb to have a looksie at |
| 10:15.39 | lcuk | was hoping to have stuff in extras this week, but some users have been reporting a graphical glitch on first run - its annoying as feck |
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| 10:22.37 | lcuk | crap, bbsoon |
| 10:28.36 | Stskeeps | god, gtk takes -ages- to build |
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| 10:29.58 | johnx | Stskeeps, you need to get that beagleboard working for you |
| 10:30.14 | Stskeeps | johnx: oh, it works, it's just my rs232 connector that sucks |
| 10:30.15 | Stskeeps | :p |
| 10:30.32 | Stskeeps | which makes initial boot difficult |
| 10:30.36 | johnx | ah |
| 10:30.47 | Stskeeps | i tested glib-maemo yesterday, that worked |
| 10:31.41 | Stskeeps | but anyway, it could be interesting if maemo-gtk is compatible with normal gtk, even if it's not the other way |
| 10:32.10 | Stskeeps | could make porting maemo apps a .. lot easier |
| 10:32.19 | suihkulokki | thats bit of a dead end |
| 10:32.34 | suihkulokki | maemos gtk changes need to be merged into mainline gtk |
| 10:32.47 | Stskeeps | yeah, and i would really prefer that |
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| 10:35.20 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: just working on some proof of concepts to see how dependant on maemo typical maemo apps are |
| 10:39.36 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: how active is the whole pkg-maemo part of debian though? |
| 10:39.55 | Stskeeps | from what i can tell most activity goes on in ubuntu mobile these days :P |
| 10:42.07 | lardman | andre___: sorry I've not got round to installing the new scratchbox yet |
| 10:42.19 | lardman | andre___: but I imagine it should be assuming we move to GCC 4.x.x |
| 10:42.37 | lardman | andre___: re bug #1623 |
| 10:42.53 | andre___ | ah, take your time :) if you don't answer i'll close after a few months :-P |
| 10:43.07 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: it's pining for the fjords :P |
| 10:43.23 | lardman | andre___: lol |
| 10:45.20 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: at the moment things are indeed a bit silent in debian-maemo, I think most people are waiting for lenny before going back to active development |
| 10:46.03 | Stskeeps | i've managed to compile most of u-m's packages for deblet.. sortof works (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/deblet-mobile.png) |
| 10:46.53 | Stskeeps | or debian maemo packages: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png |
| 10:49.56 | suihkulokki | iirc when I was last active, the main problems with mainline <-> maemo gtk were |
| 10:50.07 | suihkulokki | 1) input methods glue in maemo-gtk |
| 10:50.28 | suihkulokki | 2) the hacky tap-and-hold support injected in maemo-gtk |
| 10:50.57 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 10:53.23 | Stskeeps | jesus. i need to clean my desk. several serial cables, nokia n800, infrared node, dect telephone, cellphone, pocket loox 420, beagleboard, USRP.. |
| 10:53.26 | Stskeeps | O_o |
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| 11:07.27 | inz | mikkov, I agree on the licenses |
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| 11:21.23 | johnx | Stskeeps, I guarantee my desk is smaller and more crammed with stuff :P |
| 11:21.31 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:21.40 | aquatix | looks at his awefully empty desk at work |
| 11:21.44 | aquatix | need more stuff |
| 11:21.54 | aquatix | at home it's comfortably cluttery |
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| 11:43.34 | melmoth | what shoudl be the correct format to print a pid_t on armel ? |
| 11:43.58 | melmoth | nor %d nor %i seems to work (nothing in the output). Works on scatchbox x86 though |
| 11:44.25 | melmoth | Actually, it s printed on g_printf, but not on fprintf |
| 11:46.00 | solmumaha | anyone want to debianize duke3d and push it to extras? |
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| 12:00.41 | Khertan | Hello everyone ! |
| 12:01.34 | Khertan | a small little question ... have you already see this small crypting module ... : http://jclement.ca/software/pyrijndael/ |
| 12:01.54 | Khertan | i'm not a specialist but for me it s look like using a 32bit key ... |
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| 12:10.04 | pupnik810 | we need an easier, more user-friendly way to reconfigure menus -- are maemo menus getting big changes down the road? |
| 12:10.40 | pupnik810 | hi btw |
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| 12:10.58 | solmumaha | hi arnim |
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| 12:14.10 | Khertan | we need an easier : it could not be so easier as actually ... |
| 12:14.18 | Khertan | it s pretty simple to use |
| 12:14.31 | Khertan | or maybe are you talking about a programmatic way |
| 12:16.42 | pupnik810 | hi |
| 12:17.05 | pupnik810 | try deleting entries |
| 12:17.36 | pupnik810 | i.e. left over grot from some crap install |
| 12:18.05 | pupnik810 | or is that violating some tablet ui convention ni'm unaware os? |
| 12:18.44 | pupnik810 | obviously packages should clean these things up |
| 12:19.28 | Khertan | deleting entries ? are you fool ? |
| 12:19.45 | Khertan | there is no need to delete it |
| 12:19.59 | Khertan | it should provide access to all applications available |
| 12:20.39 | Khertan | if something aren't deleted when removing the application by the application manager, blame the developper / or package maintainer |
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| 12:20.57 | pupnik810 | yes i see that view |
| 12:21.24 | lcuk | menus should be liqable ;) |
| 12:21.24 | Khertan | so why do want to delete entries ? |
| 12:21.29 | Khertan | lol lcuk |
| 12:21.44 | pupnik810 | nice verb |
| 12:22.06 | Khertan | and calendar event should appear too in the menu to not forget it ! |
| 12:22.21 | Khertan | ;p |
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| 12:22.50 | pupnik810 | yes i see |
| 12:23.14 | lcuk | khertan, a simplified grand overview screen would be fantastic, putting events and emails and notifications and info together, :) |
| 12:23.40 | pupnik810 | desktop or what |
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| 12:24.08 | lcuk | the desktop lets you do that, but theres no way to simply say i want a main today desktop which adds all 5 applets required" or a business desktop or something |
| 12:24.35 | pupnik810 | ah ok |
| 12:24.55 | lcuk | grand schemes of preconfiguged sets of applets would let people either configure individual ones as they do now, or be able to grab the already setup ones people keep flashing on the "show us your screenshots thread |
| 12:25.38 | lcuk | instead of having to hunt each one down and configure its location have a way to persist current applet positions and settings and send to a friend |
| 12:26.20 | lcuk | ie take the themes a bit further ;) |
| 12:26.40 | pupnik810 | hmm |
| 12:27.29 | lcuk | well thats the simplest less destructive way to both make use of what we have and also expand a little |
| 12:29.16 | pupnik810 | your project liqbase is ambitious, but what i see is a nice set of ideas |
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| 12:30.44 | lcuk | pupnik810, yeah, its only ambitious because you havent seen how much code ive got back here ;) ive been so pent up the last few years waiting to get a device like this its all startin to come out now :) |
| 12:31.36 | lcuk | ive gotta mould it into a clearly defined set of principles and align my mind with the differences of what I thought would work, and now i have the device what actually works |
| 12:31.57 | lcuk | like the multitouch thing, ive thought it would go in place as I have and its looking promising for now |
| 12:32.00 | pupnik810 | yes |
| 12:32.34 | pupnik810 | iterative learning and prototyping -- it is always |
| 12:32.39 | lcuk | nighttime isnt the best time for that moulding though |
| 12:33.37 | lcuk | because there im focused specifically on what i need/want for things - like the packaging - it really doesnt bother me and i could quite easily go back to just runnin on my own machine |
| 12:37.18 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:38.44 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: is there free levels for duke3d? |
| 12:39.58 | pupnik810 | user-created / third party? |
| 12:41.08 | mikkov_ | I mean levels which could be distributed from extras |
| 12:41.31 | lcuk | right, i have to vanish |
| 12:41.36 | lcuk | ill bbl |
| 12:41.36 | pupnik810 | cu! |
| 12:41.44 | lcuk | pupnik810, have fun in the bar |
| 12:41.48 | solmumaha | mikkov_: maybe shareware version? |
| 12:42.37 | mikkov_ | could be, though licence needs to be checked |
| 12:42.44 | pupnik810 | orange juice is good here |
| 12:43.03 | solmumaha | doesn't doom have shareware data too? |
| 12:43.17 | pupnik810 | yes |
| 12:43.42 | mikkov_ | I would be interested to push duke3d to extras if levels are free |
| 12:43.50 | pupnik810 | what is extras policy on shareware? |
| 12:43.51 | solmumaha | different builds are required for shareware/full so maybe 2 packages would be nice? |
| 12:44.24 | solmumaha | full version has an information dialog if the datafiles are missing |
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| 12:45.10 | pupnik810 | yes |
| 12:45.20 | mikkov_ | non-free can be also used, but it's the licence of the data files which matters |
| 12:45.21 | Jaffa | unfoods. |
| 12:45.27 | solmumaha | mikkov_: same goes for ja2, that would be a nice addition too |
| 12:45.31 | pupnik810 | hahaha |
| 12:46.15 | mikkov_ | ja2 data is not free by any means? |
| 12:46.38 | pupnik810 | yes |
| 12:46.58 | pupnik810 | not full |
| 12:47.41 | melmoth | crap, looks like my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list is full of garbage characters |
| 12:47.48 | melmoth | anybody has some vanilla one ? |
| 12:48.34 | solmumaha | mikkov_: same thing, it has a demo available, maybe it could be included |
| 12:49.32 | solmumaha | ja2 is pretty excellent on tablet imo |
| 12:50.38 | pupnik810 | dcc melmoth ? |
| 12:51.19 | mikkov_ | I could take a look for ja2 or duke. Is there some maemo specific changes for them? |
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| 12:53.41 | pupnik810 | sol knows that best |
| 12:54.16 | pupnik810 | but just try them and also post problems in the thread |
| 12:54.58 | mikkov_ | if put them to extras, I need the full source |
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| 12:55.54 | Stskeeps | ponders idly |
| 12:55.57 | pupnik810 | i dont have sources avail atm |
| 12:56.17 | Stskeeps | i think if maemo-gtk actually works on debian and such, flash player + skype would be trivial to binarily run on other devices.. |
| 12:56.20 | Stskeeps | not legal, obviously |
| 12:56.51 | melmoth | pupnik810: i m not sure dcc would work here (firewall+i never used dcc so i dont even knwo where to look). looks like i found some template on itt |
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| 12:57.11 | melmoth | apt-get works now again.. the gui is still borked...Well, i ll use apt-get |
| 12:57.51 | melmoth | at a certain stage, i will have to reinstall from scracth anyway. |
| 12:58.42 | pupnik810 | pastebin? |
| 12:58.53 | solmumaha | mikkov_: want the duke3d sources? |
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| 12:59.58 | mikkov_ | solmumaha: link would be nice |
| 13:01.00 | melmoth | pastebin would do fine ! |
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| 13:03.14 | melmoth | pupnik810: my current one is http://pastebin.ca/1226809 |
| 13:03.19 | melmoth | i wonder if i miss some |
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| 13:05.57 | RST38h | moo all |
| 13:06.15 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 13:06.43 | pupnik810 | moo |
| 13:06.52 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.54 | melmoth | < Mooo > |
| 13:06.54 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.54 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.54 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.56 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.58 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.01 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.51 | lopz | hola |
| 13:12.09 | pupnik810 | hi |
| 13:13.27 | pupnik810 | my applist is lingr |
| 13:13.35 | solmumaha | pupnik810: mikkov_ tries to push duke to extras |
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| 13:16.02 | pupnik810 | ah |
| 13:16.48 | pupnik810 | in 'select file' dialog i miss ability to paste location |
| 13:17.05 | pupnik810 | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
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| 13:32.24 | pupnik810 | ok gotta get some sunlight :) |
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| 13:44.28 | whodat | anyone alive? :) |
| 13:45.32 | Stskeeps | sortof |
| 13:45.46 | aquatix | should we be? |
| 13:46.13 | whodat | lol |
| 13:47.46 | whodat | testing out DUN connection from n810 using my treo |
| 13:48.25 | whodat | for some reason it likes to drop connection after a couple minutes :( |
| 13:48.35 | Khertan | treo ... this thing is not yet dead ? |
| 13:48.36 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:48.45 | whodat | heck no! |
| 13:49.28 | Khertan | which one ? as some have problem with DUN connection ... (in fact there is no problem, just not fully implemented) |
| 13:49.48 | whodat | 755p |
| 13:50.09 | whodat | using the USBModem prc |
| 13:51.09 | Khertan | never try the 755p |
| 13:52.57 | whodat | i am just wondering if its just sprint not liking to keep a connection going for a long period (does this happen with other phones when tethering)? |
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| 14:30.47 | Khertan | whodat: on my 6630 i can keep connection until the battery died |
| 14:31.07 | Khertan | there is three possibility : |
| 14:31.43 | Khertan | 1) maemo close connection due to inactivity for a certain amount of time. (a prefs settings) |
| 14:31.51 | Khertan | 2) Sprint sucks :) |
| 14:32.11 | Stskeeps | yeah, there's a setting for idle isnt there? |
| 14:32.54 | Khertan | 3) Your treo kill connection due to inactivity, or the software use to do modem over bluetooth, or as it s a third party application, maybe a result of the treo going to sleep |
| 14:33.40 | whodat | where is that setting on the n810 |
| 14:34.31 | Stskeeps | under connection sttings or something in the applet |
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| 14:35.23 | GAN800 | The applet == connection settings |
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| 14:51.34 | Khertan | if there is a cryptographic expert ... could you say me if this py module use a 128 key or if it s only a 32bit |
| 14:51.35 | Khertan | http://jclement.ca/software/pyrijndael/ |
| 14:51.38 | Khertan | ? |
| 14:51.50 | Khertan | as for me it s look like a 32bit key |
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| 14:54.24 | Stskeeps | heh, okay, maemo-gtk definately does not play nice with anything else than hildon |
| 14:55.05 | Stskeeps | it runs, but when a dialog box comes up |
| 14:55.09 | Stskeeps | stuck ;) |
| 14:56.20 | Khertan | Stskeeps: ? |
| 14:56.33 | Stskeeps | Khertan: i'm trying to shoehorn Maemo GTK into Deblet |
| 14:56.47 | Khertan | HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! I VEN'T SEE THE NEWWWWS PYTHON 2.6 IS OFFICIAL !!!! |
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| 14:59.37 | Khertan | db_connection = DatabaseConnection() with db_connection as cursor: cursor.execute('insert into ...') cursor.execute('delete from ...') # ... more operations ... |
| 14:59.43 | Khertan | ;) dsl |
| 14:59.45 | Khertan | sorry |
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| 15:00.43 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:02.29 | Khertan | PEP 3110 |
| 15:02.34 | Khertan | good idea |
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| 15:03.54 | fluenis | hio |
| 15:04.10 | derf | Khertan: Read the source code. It doesn't take a cryptographic expert to figure out if you're handing something 128 bits of data or 32. |
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| 15:05.03 | Khertan | derf: i see a [0:32] on the key ... |
| 15:05.08 | Khertan | so ... |
| 15:05.35 | Stskeeps | Khertan: what's 8*32? :P |
| 15:06.00 | derf | You don't need a cryptographic expert. You need someone who actually knows Python. |
| 15:06.11 | derf | Which would not be me. |
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| 15:06.24 | Mek | even the comments in the source code tell it uses a 256bit key |
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| 15:07.23 | Khertan | eh ho ! |
| 15:07.46 | Khertan | i prefer reading the notes of python 2.6 changes :) |
| 15:08.03 | Khertan | yep .. ok ... i ll read the source again ... without reading 1 line on 10 |
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| 15:09.04 | Khertan | Uses 256 bit Rijndael |
| 15:09.04 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:09.49 | Khertan | i'm near ;) a 32 caracteres keys :) |
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| 15:10.38 | Khertan | thx |
| 15:10.52 | Khertan | is a bit tired |
| 15:11.40 | Khertan | py2.6:The smtplib module now supports SMTP over SSL |
| 15:11.43 | Khertan | great |
| 15:18.45 | whodat | zzz |
| 15:21.07 | Khertan | :) |
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| 15:25.38 | qwerty12 | johnx: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/modules_libs/aufs.ko - Got a working module. I changed it to use atomic_cmpxchg instead of cmpxchg because to compile with cmpxchg means kernel modifications. Using atomic_cmpxchg means it can insmod on any variation (rotation etc) of the 2.6.21-omap1 kernel. |
| 15:25.41 | riot | lol.. the default notes-app is useless. |
| 15:26.10 | Stskeeps | riot: it's okay for browsing text files and sending bluetooth notes i guess :P |
| 15:26.13 | Stskeeps | but yeah |
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| 15:26.15 | riot | not even multiple documents!? |
| 15:26.16 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: sounds good :) |
| 15:26.25 | Stskeeps | riot: look at maemopad+ maybe |
| 15:26.45 | riot | i was reading a book using it (a txt file actually) and then had to open another note.. my book just disappeared.. pfft |
| 15:26.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: does cmpxchg even exist on arm? .. |
| 15:27.01 | riot | Stskeeps: ok, i'm gonna check that out. Thx :) |
| 15:27.06 | X-Fade | riot: fbreader |
| 15:27.18 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: :). I have yet to actually "branch" a folder :P. sysfs interface shows up though |
| 15:27.27 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: You can patch kernel to include it |
| 15:27.30 | X-Fade | riot: That is a lot better reader. |
| 15:27.40 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: But that puts me in same situation as unionfs |
| 15:27.42 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, but cmpxchg is a x86 asm instruction :P |
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| 15:27.55 | Stskeeps | so im just wondering |
| 15:28.13 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: maemo gtk really rapes a system, it's kinda impressive |
| 15:28.27 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Ouch :/ |
| 15:28.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: so i would probably have a "meblet" repo or something people can add if they want a hildon interface :P |
| 15:29.11 | Stskeeps | and give up on all other envs :> |
| 15:29.25 | Stskeeps | the good news is normal apps work with it |
| 15:29.40 | qwerty12 | hehe, I like having other envs though :/ |
| 15:30.08 | Stskeeps | indeed, but i think this idea might have benefits |
| 15:31.27 | Stskeeps | like, building maemo-like OS'es easily |
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| 15:35.27 | derf | Stskeeps: ARM6 and above have ldrex and strexeq, but they're not exactly the same semantics as cmpxchg. |
| 15:35.36 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 16:04.47 | Khertan | bye |
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| 16:20.14 | Stskeeps | gives up |
| 16:20.20 | Stskeeps | maemo gtk on debian, not worth it |
| 16:20.51 | johnx | good effort. I'm glad we came to the same conclusion at least |
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| 16:21.19 | Stskeeps | well, i think it might be better for maemo apps to adjust to mainline GTK |
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| 16:26.54 | bef0rd | maemo gtk as in hildon? |
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| 16:31.47 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 16:31.56 | Stskeeps | hildon is a framework, maemo also has gtk extensions |
| 16:32.28 | johnx | or gtk has specific modifications for maemo |
| 16:33.41 | bef0rd | oh I see |
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| 16:35.04 | qwerty12 | ~curse ubuntu for not putting vlc 0.9.4 in 8.04 repos. now i have to build the shit myself >.< |
| 16:35.04 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ubuntu for not putting vlc 0.9.4 in 8.04 repos. now i have to build the shit myself >.< ! |
| 16:35.21 | johnx | qwerty12, why not pull from ibex? the beta is out |
| 16:36.10 | qwerty12 | johnx: I can use the version from the intrepid repo directly? I have some bad memories when I tried to do something similar :/ |
| 16:36.22 | qwerty12 | Or you mean use 8.10 beta I guess |
| 16:36.46 | johnx | either one, I would try just grabbing the .deb from ibex and seeing if it has other deps |
| 16:37.42 | qwerty12 | Worth a try, thanks :) |
| 16:38.31 | johnx | I take it back |
| 16:38.49 | johnx | it's split into a whole bunch of sub-packages :/ |
| 16:38.54 | johnx | so it'd be a pain |
| 16:39.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: maybe people need to start wondering if they're coding for hildon, for maemo gtk, or for maemo :P |
| 16:39.03 | johnx | maybe I should upgrade to ibex beta |
| 16:39.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, it's bad enough to tell them they're coding for gtk...but not really, cause it's hildon, but gtk is different too, and it's like debian, but not exactly |
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| 16:40.48 | qwerty12 | johnx: http://pastebin.com/d7237d7 :p |
| 16:40.49 | Stskeeps | johnx: i should do an opinion article or something about this |
| 16:40.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:41.34 | johnx | qwerty12, yeah, I was wrong. :) |
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| 16:42.28 | qwerty12 | johnx: I was joking :). I was looking at the amount of stuff I'm going to have to compile :p |
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| 16:51.59 | RST38h | boo, johnx,qwerty,sts |
| 16:52.06 | johnx | m00f! |
| 16:52.22 | qwerty12 | wag1 RST38h |
| 16:52.25 | Stskeeps | moo, RST38h |
| 16:53.15 | RST38h | what's new and exciting?=) |
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| 16:53.48 | Stskeeps | maemo gtk is evil under non-hildon environments |
| 16:53.59 | inz | s/under.*$// |
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| 16:56.23 | bef0rd | heh |
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| 17:21.29 | lcuk | baaa |
| 17:21.42 | qwerty12 | mooo |
| 17:22.12 | lcuk | :D is this a farm |
| 17:22.26 | qwerty12 | *cluck* yes *cluck* |
| 17:24.57 | rm_you | waves at Mek and lcuk and qwerty12 |
| 17:25.08 | qwerty12 | heh, hey rm_you |
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| 17:25.39 | qwerty12 | Well, it looks like at the cost of a broken apt, I'm getting my vlc 0.9.4 :P |
| 17:25.42 | Mek | waves back at rm_you |
| 17:26.17 | penguinbait | what did you break now :) |
| 17:27.01 | qwerty12 | I replaced some libs with ones I compiled from ubuntu intrepid and it's not liking it :p. but I want vlc so I'll edit the status file later :P |
| 17:27.29 | qwerty12 | wants to try knots :) |
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| 17:28.07 | penguinbait | can't you just place the libs somewhere else and call vlc with LD path poing to other libs? |
| 17:28.19 | penguinbait | pointing that is |
| 17:28.29 | rm_you | jott: why did you change from unstable to intrepid (in the ABL changelog)? |
| 17:28.44 | rm_you | I copied you, but I'm not really sure why |
| 17:29.13 | penguinbait | ust export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/lib in script file that launches vlc? |
| 17:29.14 | qwerty12 | penguinbait: I can't be bothered in all honesty :). All I want is an vlc that I run like normal :). I blame ubuntu people for not compiling vlc 0.94 for 8.04 |
| 17:30.10 | lcuk | hiya rm_you |
| 17:30.17 | lcuk | my missus would like to throttle you btw |
| 17:30.22 | rm_you | lol? |
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| 17:30.37 | lcuk | tshirt blue ink and white other clothing... |
| 17:30.47 | rm_you | ROFL |
| 17:30.50 | rm_you | notmyfault |
| 17:30.52 | johnx | qwerty12, for not shipping new stuff into a distro about to be replaced? :P |
| 17:30.59 | lcuk | (but thank you, its the design i really wanted and even if it ran a bit i thank you |
| 17:31.18 | rm_you | i didn't have any issues washing mine |
| 17:31.20 | lcuk | will prop you up in mcdonalds anytime |
| 17:31.22 | rm_you | i wonder wtf she did :P |
| 17:31.25 | rm_you | rofl |
| 17:31.39 | lcuk | she washed it, like everything else gets washed |
| 17:31.42 | qwerty12 | johnx: yeah, exactly! :P |
| 17:31.43 | rm_you | I was thinking about that... i really don't remember anything after that :P |
| 17:31.53 | lcuk | the high quality maemo.org originals have not run :P |
| 17:31.57 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:32.50 | rm_you | well the three I washed worked fine |
| 17:32.50 | lcuk | (thank you quim etc) |
| 17:32.50 | Stskeeps | how many of you depend on libconic0, and then icd? |
| 17:32.50 | lcuk | holy crap, i just got shouted at for giggling at this: http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/condom-truck-tips-spills-load/ |
| 17:32.50 | rm_you | did it dye ITSELF? |
| 17:32.50 | rm_you | if so, that's bizzorken |
| 17:32.50 | lcuk | as well as other things |
| 17:33.03 | lcuk | not seriously, but theres a blue hue on stuff now |
| 17:33.08 | Stskeeps | rm_you: please do call me Sts or Stskeeps next time ;) |
| 17:33.11 | lcuk | not as bad as the red sock incident of '99 |
| 17:33.19 | rm_you | lol did I mess up the caps? |
| 17:33.23 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:33.31 | rm_you | sorry |
| 17:33.34 | rm_you | I'll fix it before release |
| 17:33.36 | Stskeeps | hehe, don't apologize |
| 17:33.48 | lcuk | rm_you, are you busy right now? |
| 17:33.58 | rm_you | lcuk: kinda >_> |
| 17:34.02 | rm_you | i wish i had more time |
| 17:34.21 | lcuk | damn! and theres me wanting you to see the new improved liqbase - now with added glitches :| |
| 17:34.22 | rm_you | OH |
| 17:34.27 | rm_you | Stskeep's |
| 17:34.31 | rm_you | needs to be Stskeeps' |
| 17:34.37 | Stskeeps | johnx: worst problem about maemo apps is the fact most depend on some of the properitary libs (libconic0, -> icd), and there's no way in hell nokia starts allowing redistributing some of their binaries |
| 17:34.55 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:35.04 | rm_you | lcuk: you can send it on over, i might have time to look |
| 17:35.06 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah. I hit that in beta2 |
| 17:35.11 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/ |
| 17:35.14 | rm_you | i need to take a shower and head back over to campus <_< |
| 17:35.16 | rm_you | ooo neat |
| 17:35.23 | lcuk | yeah :) i thought so as well |
| 17:35.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: for the sake of the platform sanity for maemo, when people's n8x0s get fucked over by nokia no more providing updates, they're at a dead end |
| 17:35.56 | Stskeeps | .. or something |
| 17:36.02 | Stskeeps | now i'm just enraged, i'll go buy cis |
| 17:36.04 | Stskeeps | cigs |
| 17:36.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:36.24 | lcuk | looks at libxsp and cries |
| 17:36.31 | rm_you | Stskeeps: is that right? Stskeep's -> Stskeeps' ? |
| 17:36.39 | Stskeeps | Stskeeps' |
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| 17:36.43 | rm_you | yeah |
| 17:36.53 | rm_you | grammar failure on my part :P |
| 17:36.56 | penguinbait | If your gonna smoke, at least find something worth smoking! |
| 17:37.03 | lcuk | hiya pb |
| 17:37.14 | Stskeeps | penguinbait: did cuban cigars while in dublin |
| 17:37.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:37.17 | penguinbait | hey! |
| 17:37.24 | johnx | Stskeeps, I always wondered how icd would affect people's licensing choices |
| 17:37.35 | lcuk | Stskeeps, wouldnt that be Irish cigars? |
| 17:38.09 | Stskeeps | johnx: then again libconic0 is open |
| 17:38.46 | Stskeeps | so it would technically be possible to adapt to NM and such |
| 17:38.47 | johnx | well, a wrapper that does nothing could be possible I guess then |
| 17:39.02 | johnx | nm doesn't let apps control it, only listen for its events |
| 17:39.06 | johnx | AFAIK |
| 17:39.22 | mgedmin | nm-applet controls nm over dbus |
| 17:39.28 | Stskeeps | mamona did a -cli network manager, so i guess it's possible |
| 17:39.40 | lcuk | can't we just replace the nokia network thing with libcomic0 and laugh our way onto the net (i read it as comic every single time) |
| 17:39.50 | johnx | ah, ok. I guess I was imagining something controlling nm-applet |
| 17:39.53 | mgedmin | don't know if there's api for "get me online by asking the user to pick the desired wifi name", probably not |
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| 17:40.43 | lcuk | theres an api for get me online using this connection id (used to be name) |
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| 17:40.56 | lcuk | and i assume theres a complimentary api for list all the connections |
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| 17:41.27 | lcuk | digs out the email |
| 17:42.17 | lcuk | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/41806 |
| 17:42.30 | lcuk | knew he replied to that thread for a reason :) |
| 17:43.10 | rm_you | johnx: when are you coming back exactly for xmas? |
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| 17:43.42 | rm_you | you have tickets already right? |
| 17:44.23 | lcuk | rm_you, this year johnx will mainly be playing santa, he will fly over your house at exactly 1:36am and if you have been a good boy will come down your black hole errrr chimney |
| 17:44.42 | rm_you | O_o |
| 17:44.47 | melmoth | mgedmin: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libconic-0.16/conicconnection_8h.html |
| 17:45.47 | lcuk | hmmm |
| 17:45.51 | crashanddie | and johnx will be singing "Dashing through the sand, with a bomb strapped to my back, I have a nasty plan, for christmas in Iraq" |
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| 17:46.03 | johnx | O_o |
| 17:46.08 | rm_you | O_o |
| 17:46.16 | RST38h | that should be some camel singing |
| 17:46.21 | lcuk | oi! stop eying each other up |
| 17:46.24 | penguinbait | ( o ) ( o ) |
| 17:46.36 | RST38h | btw, johnx, if you have not seen it yet: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/13/AR2008101302701.html |
| 17:46.40 | crashanddie | "ooooh, Jingle Bombs, Jingle Bombs, Mine blew up you see... Where are all these virgins that Bin Laden promised me???" |
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| 17:47.35 | skibur | lol |
| 17:47.46 | skibur | penguinbait, are you a slacker? |
| 17:48.26 | penguinbait | yes, why yes I am, how can I not help you :) |
| 17:49.04 | penguinbait | why slacker? |
| 17:49.07 | skibur | Ever got the Text-to-Speech to work? |
| 17:49.16 | skibur | Slackware |
| 17:49.38 | penguinbait | yes the text to speech is working |
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| 17:49.49 | skibur | using flite? |
| 17:49.51 | penguinbait | uh, I am a redhat biggot by trade |
| 17:50.11 | lcuk | shame its stuck speaking in a strange swedish/liverpudlian combination accent |
| 17:50.14 | penguinbait | I compiled full festival and even had spanish voices |
| 17:50.22 | skibur | o ok nice |
| 17:50.23 | skibur | thanks |
| 17:50.39 | penguinbait | does not work with maemo mapper though, |
| 17:50.59 | penguinbait | well I have not tested the latest version, Gnuite was supposed to fix it |
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| 17:52.14 | skibur | nice |
| 17:53.37 | rm_you | damnit lcuk |
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| 17:53.57 | rm_you | there's no shift on your keyboard |
| 17:54.02 | rm_you | I can't enter my name |
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| 17:55.01 | rm_you | wheee graphics corruption |
| 17:55.15 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, vi ~/.liqbase/liqbase.prefs |
| 17:55.29 | lcuk | rm_you, !! you have corruption? |
| 17:55.35 | lcuk | seriously? |
| 17:55.38 | lcuk | dont close it |
| 17:55.38 | rm_you | yeah, want the log? |
| 17:55.43 | rm_you | too late >_> |
| 17:55.45 | lcuk | damn |
| 17:55.49 | lcuk | run it again, see if it does it |
| 17:55.53 | lcuk | no1 can reproduce it |
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| 17:55.58 | rm_you | should i move the log first? |
| 17:56.09 | lcuk | no, it expands |
| 17:56.14 | Stskeeps | lcuk: isn't rm -rf ~/.liqbase able to reproduce it? |
| 17:56.17 | lcuk | you can send it me in a min |
| 17:56.31 | cars__ | I can't install usbcontrol; it says it is incompatibile. Is there an alternate program available that would work with diablo so I can connect a usb keyboard? |
| 17:56.39 | lcuk | Stskeeps, its not the files thats the problem: its reproducable if you uninstall and reinstall even with those files there |
| 17:56.59 | rm_you | lcuk: hrm |
| 17:57.01 | lcuk | but i cant reproduce it anyway - i really think its something outside |
| 17:57.01 | rm_you | lcuk: nope |
| 17:57.09 | lcuk | have u still got corruptions? |
| 17:57.09 | rm_you | lcuk: ok, interesting fact |
| 17:57.13 | rm_you | no |
| 17:57.17 | rm_you | but interesting fact |
| 17:57.40 | lcuk | holds breath |
| 17:57.47 | rm_you | so it loaded fine, i clicked on physics sim, it went corrupt, i hit the esc key (the little hardware button above home) once, and it EXITED |
| 17:58.11 | rm_you | vs, this time, i ran it, hit physics sim, it worked, hit esc key once, back to main menu |
| 17:58.46 | lcuk | now, thats probably to do with folders and no contents and stuff and should be reproducable and fixable |
| 17:58.51 | lcuk | ill look at that this evening |
| 17:59.07 | rm_you | btw, what is this little thing in the corner of each button? |
| 17:59.07 | lcuk | crashes are sortable, this strange corruption isnt |
| 17:59.19 | Stskeeps | hm, what was Sardine supposed to be again? |
| 17:59.33 | RST38h | a development release afaik |
| 17:59.42 | RST38h | old story now |
| 17:59.54 | Stskeeps | which had what purpose? |
| 17:59.54 | rm_you | looks like almost the letters 'eq' |
| 18:00.19 | rm_you | or eo |
| 18:00.22 | RST38h | didn't have to have a purpose it was just another Maemo OS release |
| 18:00.39 | rm_you | or something |
| 18:01.07 | lcuk | its gonna forward through to sketch editor in a short while to allow editing individual buttons to your spec |
| 18:01.07 | lcuk | its "ed"! |
| 18:01.08 | lcuk | but i dont yet have the folders and methods ready to allow you to do this, ive just completed moving all the styles together |
| 18:01.09 | rm_you | ok |
| 18:01.09 | lcuk | i want you to be able to pimp your own liqbase :) |
| 18:01.09 | rm_you | well, just FYI, the box is way too small, can't actually read it |
| 18:01.09 | lcuk | no i know, i changed the font on it v recently |
| 18:01.09 | rm_you | k |
| 18:01.20 | lcuk | will remove it tonight for standard package ;) |
| 18:01.32 | lcuk | brb tea ready |
| 18:01.39 | rm_you | wait |
| 18:01.42 | lcuk | thanks rm, and make sure you try the multitouch test |
| 18:01.46 | rm_you | lcuk: two more comments and then i have to run too |
| 18:01.53 | lcuk | then post and ill see in a minute |
| 18:02.01 | rm_you | lcuk: in the test area, the images are squished vertically |
| 18:02.10 | rm_you | 2, where is the multitouch test? |
| 18:02.28 | RST38h | there is multitouch in n8x0? =) |
| 18:02.57 | lcuk | rm options/multitouch test |
| 18:03.00 | lcuk | read the notes on liqbase.net |
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| 18:03.06 | penguinbait | who | grep -i blonde; date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; head; mount; gasp; yes; unmount; sleep 3600 |
| 18:03.49 | rm_you | lcuk: ah it works alright when i use one hand |
| 18:03.56 | rm_you | when i try actually using thumb and other finger, it breaks |
| 18:04.08 | rm_you | like, i'm holding down hard on the thumb, and it still forgets about it |
| 18:04.17 | cars__ | sounds painful |
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| 18:04.30 | RST38h | heh |
| 18:05.23 | crashanddie | rm_you, try using your nails |
| 18:05.27 | lcuk | rm_you, the device is not goatse, you dont have to spread the screen |
| 18:05.32 | rm_you | rofl |
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| 18:05.50 | lcuk | renames rm_you moses |
| 18:05.51 | rm_you | yeah works a lot better with nails |
| 18:06.06 | lcuk | its a test, works with pads on my little fingers |
| 18:06.07 | RST38h | May I make a suggestion about multitouch? |
| 18:06.09 | crashanddie | rm_you, I noticed that it has a hard time tracking fingers (big blobs, rather than small points) |
| 18:06.09 | qwerty12_N800 | prefers goatsemarathon over goatse |
| 18:06.12 | lcuk | you fat gingered fecker ;) |
| 18:06.17 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:06.21 | sinak | hello. I am at maemo.org and when I push the Click to install button, it doesn't start the download. It shows me just a page |
| 18:06.25 | rm_you | also, have to fight the urge to move the thumb |
| 18:06.45 | rm_you | sinak: are you on your tablet or a pc? |
| 18:06.46 | crashanddie | rm_you, that's open to discussion :) |
| 18:06.50 | sinak | on N800 |
| 18:06.52 | lcuk | rm_you, partial is one step up from 0 :) |
| 18:07.04 | rm_you | lcuk: no, i am very happy with how this works :P |
| 18:07.13 | rm_you | lcuk: needs a test with actual image scaling / rotation |
| 18:07.21 | penguinbait | sinak, try holding the stylus on the link until menu pops up, the select save target as |
| 18:07.22 | lcuk | yeah i know |
| 18:07.29 | lcuk | but i havent got bitmap rotation code yet ;) |
| 18:07.33 | rm_you | lcuk: well gotta run <_< |
| 18:07.37 | RST38h | Why not avoid simulating multitouch and make user CIRCLE the area of interest instead? |
| 18:07.38 | rm_you | lcuk: looks very nice tho |
| 18:07.40 | lcuk | alright rm, thanks for testing |
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| 18:07.56 | crashanddie | RST38h, I've been making a few mockups |
| 18:08.11 | crashanddie | RST38h, and ideas like that have been popping up |
| 18:08.16 | Stskeeps | am i retarded or is the svn/tar.gz for libconic 0.16 impossible to find? |
| 18:08.52 | crashanddie | RST38h, basically, I've been stealing ideas from Anand |
| 18:09.13 | crashanddie | RST38h, I'm hoping to implement a few of his ideas/techniques in liqbase at some point in the future |
| 18:09.24 | sinak | penguinbait I saved it, and run it, but it didn't work |
| 18:09.39 | crashanddie | !doesntwork |
| 18:09.39 | povbot | crashanddie: Error: "doesntwork" is not a valid command. |
| 18:09.45 | penguinbait | what are you saving? |
| 18:09.46 | crashanddie | oh you useless bot |
| 18:09.50 | RST38h | !tet |
| 18:09.51 | povbot | RST38h: Error: "tet" is not a valid command. |
| 18:09.53 | RST38h | !test |
| 18:09.54 | povbot | RST38h: Error: "test" is not a valid command. |
| 18:09.57 | RST38h | !quit |
| 18:09.57 | povbot | RST38h: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 18:10.11 | crashanddie | !whoami |
| 18:10.11 | povbot | crashanddie: I don't recognize you. |
| 18:10.12 | sinak | penguinbait get_installfile |
| 18:10.25 | penguinbait | what are you trying to download? |
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| 18:10.43 | crashanddie | !that'snotwhatIasked,IwantedtoknowwhoIwas |
| 18:10.44 | povbot | crashanddie: Error: "that'snotwhatIasked,IwantedtoknowwhoIwas" is not a valid command. |
| 18:10.47 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, why 0.16 :p |
| 18:10.52 | sinak | penguinbait the easy-deb-chroot |
| 18:11.11 | crashanddie | !say donut |
| 18:11.11 | povbot | crashanddie: Error: "say" is not a valid command. |
| 18:11.18 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot, sort out povbot |
| 18:11.19 | crashanddie | !help |
| 18:11.19 | povbot | crashanddie: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 18:11.36 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: cos i found it on mxr.* but not anywhere else |
| 18:11.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i can get you 0.18 |
| 18:11.57 | Stskeeps | nm. |
| 18:12.00 | Stskeeps | yeah. |
| 18:12.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:12.04 | Stskeeps | just saw that too |
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| 18:12.42 | penguinbait | http://qole.maemobox.org/easy-deb-chroot.install |
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| 18:13.19 | penguinbait | are you opening application manager and installing from file? |
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| 18:13.46 | sinak | penguinbait yes |
| 18:13.52 | sinak | and it give me an error |
| 18:14.15 | crashanddie | sinak, WHAT ERROR? |
| 18:14.33 | sinak | unable to refresh application list |
| 18:14.54 | penguinbait | oh |
| 18:14.56 | sinak | unable to access catalogues |
| 18:15.05 | sinak | i have internet connection |
| 18:15.25 | lcuk | main power turn on |
| 18:16.31 | penguinbait | Its usually a repo not responding, I usually go to xterm as root and run "apt-get update" and it will tell you what repo is failing |
| 18:16.55 | sinak | ok i 'll try it |
| 18:17.41 | lcuk | crashanddie, not everyone has root |
| 18:17.47 | lcuk | penguinbait, i mean |
| 18:18.01 | sinak | lcuk i have root :-) |
| 18:18.09 | lcuk | then you are all set :D |
| 18:18.11 | penguinbait | you can also go into your repos on the tablet, and try disabling all but extras |
| 18:18.27 | penguinbait | what, who does not have root? |
| 18:18.33 | penguinbait | got root? |
| 18:21.02 | penguinbait | I like this shirt :) http://shop.cafepress.com/design/9957611 |
| 18:23.03 | lcuk | amazing, cafepress is borkened |
| 18:23.26 | lcuk | i have set minimum font to be a tiny bit larger than microscopic.. |
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| 18:23.47 | lcuk | the damned menu wraps and wont let me select mens tshirts |
| 18:24.32 | johnx | lcuk, same here. They're a rip-off anyways, so no loss |
| 18:24.52 | lcuk | lol johnx, i know that i just wanted to check em out |
| 18:25.10 | lcuk | i can anyway, the menu doesnt go away if i use scroll wheel |
| 18:25.25 | lcuk | so careful positioning of mouse and wheeling made it work ;) |
| 18:25.31 | bef0rd | hey lcuk I am not sure if you have already noticed this, but if liqbase is open, and the screen goes 'off', when you tap the screen again, liqbase has been closed |
| 18:25.37 | RST38h | penguinebait: I had to quote this at least twice today, at work |
| 18:25.52 | sinak | penguinbait i did the root thing, and it worked. Now when i'm trying to install from file, it says "Unable to download easy-deb-chroot. Application package not found" |
| 18:26.04 | lcuk | bef0rd, yes, intentional since i know feck all about hildonization (seriously feck all im at a loss how to handle each event) |
| 18:26.39 | lcuk | so id rather bail out then than leave liqbase hidden in background eating all stylus events and flattening battery with no way to recover |
| 18:26.42 | penguinbait | I have not really looked through it, but you might want to look out here |
| 18:26.43 | penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24272 |
| 18:27.14 | bef0rd | oh, I see, maybe you can make it save the current drawing (if the user is at the drawing section) |
| 18:28.04 | lcuk | bef0rd, yes, thats happened to me only once or twice, i do understand and will at the very least be moving the bailout onto the module level to give each a chance to do something about it |
| 18:28.08 | lcuk | :$ sorry |
| 18:29.29 | lcuk | will resolve this this evening :) |
| 18:30.01 | bef0rd | heh cool |
| 18:30.10 | bef0rd | gotta go |
| 18:30.15 | lcuk | alright, thanks for the nudge |
| 18:30.22 | bef0rd | bye, college time |
| 18:31.19 | sinak | what is chinook? |
| 18:31.33 | lcuk | earlier version of os2008 |
| 18:31.40 | lcuk | replaced since by diablo |
| 18:31.49 | sinak | ah ok |
| 18:31.51 | sinak | thanks |
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| 18:33.49 | penguinbait | chinook = A moist warm wind blowing from the sea in coastal regions of the Pacific Northwest. |
| 18:34.58 | lcuk | or a helicopter |
| 18:35.16 | lcuk | bbl |
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| 19:06.32 | Pavlov | ok, so, how do i build a recent mercurial in scratchbox? |
| 19:06.42 | Pavlov | 0.9.1 is not cutting it |
| 19:06.55 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm pondering if maemo chroot really is such a bad idea. |
| 19:07.49 | johnx | Stskeeps, the one reason *I* personally don't like it is that it only solves the problem for the n8x0 with the current software |
| 19:08.53 | johnx | I've been playing with matchbox/gpe on deblet. I'll poke at it more tomorrow |
| 19:08.59 | johnx | but for now...sleep |
| 19:09.08 | Stskeeps | nini |
| 19:10.56 | melmoth | moontiger: you here ? |
| 19:15.14 | moontiger | oh hey :) |
| 19:15.16 | moontiger | yes |
| 19:15.21 | moontiger | got to pop out in aminute tho |
| 19:15.32 | moontiger | so i built the db |
| 19:15.44 | moontiger | and i can get the plumbing code in place today and tomorrow |
| 19:16.01 | Stskeeps | what are you two building, out of curiousity? |
| 19:16.56 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=233546&postcount=24 <- oh that one is definately interesting |
| 19:17.13 | Stskeeps | 10 bucks nokia lawyers will be all over qqil like ants on a picnic |
| 19:17.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:18.29 | moontiger | melmoth, i have to go out for an hour |
| 19:18.30 | moontiger | :) |
| 19:18.31 | Pavlov | no one knows how to build new mercurial in scratchbox? |
| 19:18.39 | moontiger | brb |
| 19:19.25 | melmoth | ok. |
| 19:19.47 | qwerty12_N800 | Pavlov, get the source for the one in extras and look in debian folder and see how he/she compiled that one. |
| 19:19.50 | melmoth | Stskeeps: a "phone home" daemon in case the tablet i stolen |
| 19:20.15 | Stskeeps | melmoth: ah |
| 19:20.17 | Pavlov | qwerty12_N800: its part of the maemo3-tools stuff |
| 19:20.22 | Stskeeps | melmoth: sounds cool |
| 19:20.44 | l7 | hey, has anyone tried those 32GB SDHC cards yet? |
| 19:21.17 | l7 | i'm still waiting for their prices to come down to 80-100, but they seem really handy |
| 19:21.35 | l7 | 64GB of storage in a n800.... |
| 19:22.29 | Stskeeps | that's a lot of mobile porn. |
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| 19:22.59 | l7 | yeah |
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| 19:23.13 | l7 | or mp3s |
| 19:23.18 | l7 | or movies |
| 19:23.31 | Stskeeps | definately want to put sd cards in other pockets when going through customs.. |
| 19:23.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 19:29.54 | yacoob | saaay. |
| 19:30.03 | yacoob | http://qole.blogspot.com/2008/10/easy-debian-moves-to-extras-devel.html |
| 19:30.10 | yacoob | is that true? |
| 19:32.04 | Stskeeps | what's true? |
| 19:32.04 | Stskeeps | that's what qole does |
| 19:32.35 | Stskeeps | quite amazing feat really |
| 19:32.43 | Stskeeps | (hi qole!) |
| 19:32.56 | yacoob | that it works. "big" applications running fine on tablet? |
| 19:33.23 | yacoob | I mean, that's probably true, but it's hard for me to believe in. And I don't have my tablet handy to actually test it. |
| 19:33.26 | Stskeeps | well depends what you mean, it works quite decently but there's always tradeoffs |
| 19:33.39 | Stskeeps | a 400mhz box isn't completely bad you know |
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| 19:34.17 | Stskeeps | these tablets are quite capable |
| 19:34.33 | yacoob | I need to test it, hm. |
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| 19:35.10 | Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sBwHgktpg <- old video before speedups |
| 19:36.12 | summatusmentis | is contemplating getting rid of his n810 |
| 19:36.35 | Stskeeps | i take donations O:) |
| 19:36.38 | yacoob | in favour of? |
| 19:38.16 | qwerty12_N800 | xchat is blinking at me for no reason :/ |
| 19:38.31 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, usuk |
| 19:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | Now it's blinking for a reason. :P |
| 19:38.44 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 19:38.49 | summatusmentis | yacoob: in favor of a single device (iPod Touch) |
| 19:38.54 | yacoob | btw, is this debian chroot installer changing anything in the boot sequence of the tablet? How invasive is it? |
| 19:39.00 | Stskeeps | yacoob: no, not at all |
| 19:39.07 | Stskeeps | it is very little invasive |
| 19:39.24 | Stskeeps | summatusmentis: but if you were to just "get rid" of your n810, give it to qwerty12_N800 ;) who knows what kind of stuff he could pull off with it |
| 19:39.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, probably not much :p. n800 4 lyf :p |
| 19:39.55 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: well, 'get rid' needs to help fund my next device :) |
| 19:39.59 | yacoob | summatusmentis, well, if it works for you better... I'm looking at my wife's ipod touch and I'm comparing the devices from time to time |
| 19:40.19 | Stskeeps | summatusmentis: hehe |
| 19:40.21 | yacoob | lack of bt or gps pretty much kills it for me |
| 19:40.31 | summatusmentis | yacoob: I like the specs on the n810 much better, but there's not enough batter life for media |
| 19:40.55 | summatusmentis | I don't use the gps enough, none of the UIs I've found make it usable |
| 19:40.57 | yacoob | also, I have this uneasy feeling that ipod touch/iphone is palmish, in some sense. No filesystem that user can access... |
| 19:41.13 | summatusmentis | I would be jailbreaking it, most definitely |
| 19:41.16 | yacoob | summatusmentis, ah, media. Then sure, it would probably be better :) |
| 19:41.59 | yacoob | my main uses for tablet are fbreader, maemo mapper, gpxviewer and notecase |
| 19:42.30 | yacoob | after last update the browser got good enough to start using tiddly too |
| 19:42.39 | yacoob | (which iphone funnily isn't able to render 8) |
| 19:42.51 | summatusmentis | my main uses are 'internet' (messaging, web), and I'd like media |
| 19:43.00 | qwerty12_N800 | jott, grr, you don't keep xrandr in your rotation repo :) |
| 19:43.04 | summatusmentis | currently I'm using my iPod for media, but it's dying |
| 19:43.25 | summatusmentis | the browser is really slow |
| 19:43.55 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, xrandr is bundled |
| 19:44.04 | yacoob | well, it's gecko :) |
| 19:44.15 | yacoob | webkit is just simply faster |
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| 19:44.36 | summatusmentis | http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ <- this tiddly? |
| 19:44.41 | yacoob | yup |
| 19:44.42 | GeneralAntilles | But wasn't anywhere near usable when Nokia decided to ship an open-source browser. |
| 19:45.12 | summatusmentis | if I can get rid of my Zaurus, I might be able to justify a Touch and keep my n8100 |
| 19:45.12 | yacoob | I've tested it with ipod touch and it was taking ages for the page to actually render (or probably for the js to execute) |
| 19:45.17 | summatusmentis | n810* |
| 19:45.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: saw qqil's surprising attitude on the pandora thread? |
| 19:45.27 | Stskeeps | about experimentation |
| 19:45.34 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, the xrandr command line app, i don't have it installed here or see it available for install :) |
| 19:45.35 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, surprising? |
| 19:45.48 | GAN800 | qwerty, ah, right |
| 19:45.53 | GAN800 | dumbass |
| 19:46.07 | Stskeeps | well i wouldn't have expected nokia to have the attitude experimentation is alright for taking closed source components to other platforms |
| 19:46.10 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, that was perfectly in character for qgil. |
| 19:46.22 | Stskeeps | true |
| 19:47.13 | GAN800 | I might've been surprised by it 8 months ago |
| 19:47.14 | Stskeeps | but i suspect when flash starts popping up on pandora and other armel devices.. :P |
| 19:47.19 | GAN800 | But not lately |
| 19:48.12 | Stskeeps | (which is entirely possible, btw.) |
| 19:48.55 | yacoob | browser-wise, there's simply a shortage of webkit based browsers. Good ones, that is. |
| 19:49.03 | Stskeeps | yacoob: you should try midori |
| 19:49.06 | Stskeeps | speeday. |
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| 19:49.23 | Stskeeps | i was really impressed with it under deblet |
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| 19:49.53 | yacoob | what's deblet? |
| 19:50.16 | Stskeeps | where easy debian is a chroot running inside maemo, deblet is debian flying on it's own |
| 19:50.29 | RST38h | moo, General |
| 19:50.30 | Stskeeps | it's comparable with an elephant trying to fly, at the moment |
| 19:51.16 | yacoob | throw elephant at ground, checked |
| 19:51.19 | yacoob | miss, checked |
| 19:51.32 | suihkulokki | webkit, atleast the gtk flavour, is simply too crashy atm |
| 19:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, RST38h. |
| 19:52.12 | yacoob | I wonder whether chrome lite will be... usable for anything else than android |
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| 20:15.53 | melmoth | if you throw it fast enough, even an elephant can fly. |
| 20:16.48 | qwerty12_N800 | why fly when you can smoke weed and get high |
| 20:17.31 | GeneralAntilles | ^ poser druggy. :P |
| 20:17.54 | Stskeeps | hm, are there other options than ondemand and performance? |
| 20:18.12 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, i hate you :p |
| 20:18.17 | GeneralAntilles | battery |
| 20:18.25 | GeneralAntilles | Or whatever they call the slow mode. |
| 20:18.26 | Stskeeps | battery? |
| 20:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 <3 |
| 20:18.37 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
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| 20:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | I assume you have a working charger now? |
| 20:19.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, grab the kernel source. iirc, more modes can be added via modules (i think) |
| 20:19.29 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, yep |
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| 20:29.06 | RST38h | ~curse MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff |
| 20:29.06 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff ! |
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| 20:31.15 | macoute_ | RST38h: do you really think that using infobot is kinda cool? |
| 20:31.26 | macoute_ | no offence, though |
| 20:32.02 | macoute_ | im just kinda surprised about the current, pretty heavy usage of infobot which doesnt do anything which would add to our information |
| 20:32.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, http://slexy.org/view/s20LayA5VH |
| 20:32.35 | macoute_ | RST38h: you could just as well say yourself that you dont like MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff |
| 20:32.45 | macoute_ | theres no need to use any bot what so ever |
| 20:33.17 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot, you don't have to listen to this |
| 20:33.20 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
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| 20:34.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state is interesting |
| 20:34.44 | Stskeeps | that can definately be used to detect bad behaviour |
| 20:35.11 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 20:35.49 | moontiger | back |
| 20:35.52 | qwerty12_N800 | grr, i just went through mxr, when i could have done cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 20:35.57 | moontiger | hel melmoth |
| 20:36.08 | moontiger | sorry bot=ut that ... neighbour wanted to go for lunch |
| 20:40.39 | melmoth | dont be sorry lunch are importants part of life. |
| 20:41.10 | moontiger | hehe |
| 20:41.22 | melmoth | the svn is ready |
| 20:41.25 | moontiger | so i set up a sub-domain on one of my servers to host the test service |
| 20:41.29 | moontiger | i called etmaemo |
| 20:41.36 | moontiger | cos it phones home :) |
| 20:41.50 | moontiger | and it kinda makes sense in french too |
| 20:42.02 | melmoth | we call E.T. E.T too |
| 20:42.23 | Stskeeps | not T.E? :P |
| 20:42.26 | moontiger | so i have a db set up and i can start coding the basics |
| 20:42.45 | moontiger | one thing tho ... you will have to make the server configurable eventually |
| 20:43.14 | melmoth | i was wondering if i put the server in a gconf key or not |
| 20:43.45 | melmoth | i think i will add a gonf key, and put a default one, so it wont be mandatory for people using the "community" server |
| 20:43.51 | moontiger | right |
| 20:43.53 | moontiger | good idea |
| 20:44.09 | moontiger | we can build a simple front end too when we have time |
| 20:44.41 | moontiger | so does garage have svn available for storage? |
| 20:44.47 | melmoth | yes it does |
| 20:45.10 | moontiger | ok so we can host the code there and i can build some automated check out scripts from the web server cms back end |
| 20:45.10 | melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=798 |
| 20:45.56 | moontiger | oyu probably sent me all this already but can you send me usernames and pw for svn and anything else i need? |
| 20:46.18 | melmoth | i dont know your svn password, it s the same as your garage account |
| 20:46.20 | moontiger | and and question ... do you know anything about dbus? |
| 20:46.22 | moontiger | :) |
| 20:46.36 | melmoth | a little bit. i have been reading quite a bit about it this week end |
| 20:46.39 | moontiger | oh i can access your repo from username? |
| 20:46.46 | melmoth | i still dont get the details, but i have the big picture |
| 20:46.50 | moontiger | <--- also been learning dbus |
| 20:47.03 | moontiger | likewise the details are still a little confusing for me too |
| 20:47.06 | melmoth | everybody can access the repo in read only. You should have write access to it. |
| 20:47.15 | moontiger | with my username? |
| 20:47.19 | melmoth | yes |
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| 20:47.27 | moontiger | so it isnt your repo? |
| 20:47.32 | moontiger | <--- confused |
| 20:47.53 | melmoth | it s the garage project repo. The project has been accepted 2 hours ago |
| 20:48.07 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh so anybody with a garage account has write access? |
| 20:48.10 | melmoth | everyb member of the project has wirte access to the svn repo, i added you to the project |
| 20:48.19 | moontiger | ohhhhhhhhhhh cool i get it now |
| 20:48.20 | moontiger | heh |
| 20:48.41 | melmoth | nope, only https://garage.maemo.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=798 |
| 20:48.49 | moontiger | right i got it now |
| 20:48.50 | moontiger | ;) |
| 20:49.09 | moontiger | so let me get some code up and running here ... you add the gconf thing for server address and we can get going |
| 20:49.37 | melmoth | ok. i think i may do that before going to sleep :) |
| 20:49.49 | moontiger | its midday here so i have plenty of time |
| 20:49.58 | moontiger | you are in france? |
| 20:50.04 | melmoth | Yep |
| 20:50.10 | moontiger | where abouts? |
| 20:50.13 | melmoth | Paris |
| 20:50.20 | melmoth | The worst place in france to be in. |
| 20:50.25 | moontiger | nice! im in san fran right now but moving to madrid in december |
| 20:50.28 | macoute_ | ~curse infobot |
| 20:50.29 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! |
| 20:50.55 | macoute_ | one line of code would make you look smarter, infobot :) |
| 20:51.03 | moontiger | lol |
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| 21:11.27 | whodat | are the files in /media/mmc2/map for maemos mapper? |
| 21:12.25 | moontiger | fukin crooks on wall street and in the whitehouse make me want to puke |
| 21:12.46 | GeneralAntilles | Just the whitehouse? |
| 21:13.28 | moontiger | those fukers are setting up the dems for total failure financially |
| 21:13.35 | moontiger | so they can come back in 4yrs |
| 21:13.37 | moontiger | bastards |
| 21:13.41 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 21:13.52 | GeneralAntilles | Like either side of the aisle is any less guilty. |
| 21:13.57 | moontiger | just makes me sick is all |
| 21:14.01 | woglinde | moontiger jupp |
| 21:14.03 | moontiger | oh come on |
| 21:14.18 | moontiger | the dems are hobbled by the repubs in what they can do |
| 21:14.20 | woglinde | this time the manipulation of the vote machine will be not enough |
| 21:14.26 | moontiger | and the damn repubs got us into this mess |
| 21:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody who things either the Republicans or the Democrats are less to blame for the way things are is either willfully ignoring the facts or just straight up stupid. |
| 21:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | s/things/thinks/ |
| 21:15.05 | moontiger | im not going to carry on discussing this GeneralAntilles as i will get so angry and upset at what these bastards have done to this country |
| 21:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | We couldn't get where we are without the cooperation of both sides. |
| 21:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | If either side was actually innocent, we wouldn't be here. |
| 21:15.39 | moontiger | shuts up |
| 21:15.46 | moontiger | really trust me ... lets leave it here |
| 21:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | Partisan politics are so much fun. |
| 21:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | Play one side against the other and dupe everybody into getting screwed. |
| 21:16.18 | moontiger | i cannot wait to leave this fukd up country is all i can say |
| 21:16.33 | woglinde | hehe I liked the comment from morales "bush is now doing communism" |
| 21:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | Because Europe is clearly the land of milk and honey. |
| 21:16.44 | towo | Yes, indeed. |
| 21:16.45 | woglinde | GeneralAntilles bah |
| 21:16.49 | towo | drinks his warm milk with honey. |
| 21:16.51 | moontiger | at keast its not so corrupt and run by the corps |
| 21:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | Haaaa |
| 21:17.13 | woglinde | here in germany were are doing more and more the same things as in usa |
| 21:17.19 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, would u be a repblican by any chance? |
| 21:17.19 | qwerty12_N800 | East London iz da shitzors |
| 21:17.21 | towo | I say, chaps, we should consider culling the experiments with the Western colonies. |
| 21:17.29 | melmoth | here in france, we are worry "they" are killing the bees. |
| 21:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I'd say it's pretty clearly from my statements that I don't subscribe to party politics. |
| 21:17.42 | melmoth | last liter of honey in view. |
| 21:17.43 | moontiger | ok cool |
| 21:17.52 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, because all the parties do is dupe otherwise rational intelligent people into behaving like idiots. |
| 21:18.11 | moontiger | i know ... so we check out of the process and look what happens |
| 21:18.17 | moontiger | fukin idiots run the place |
| 21:18.47 | moontiger | kid rock: "america cant have a problem with a black president cos they've already had a retard as president" |
| 21:18.50 | moontiger | i like that |
| 21:19.07 | GeneralAntilles | Because race has everything to do with someone's ability to run a country. |
| 21:19.19 | moontiger | apparently it makes you a terrorist |
| 21:19.26 | moontiger | if ur not whiter than white |
| 21:20.57 | `0660 | i heard that obama is related to osama |
| 21:21.06 | `0660 | do you think it's true? |
| 21:21.20 | `0660 | ;) |
| 21:21.40 | moontiger | yes he is his brother ... and trained in camps in afganistan |
| 21:21.43 | moontiger | didnt you know that? |
| 21:22.14 | `0660 | well that's what my cousin keeps telling me |
| 21:22.20 | whodat | http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Michelle_Obama_not_actually_all_that_tall.html?showall |
| 21:22.39 | moontiger | politico ---> very balanced == fox news |
| 21:23.27 | moontiger | criminals run the place here |
| 21:23.41 | moontiger | its shocking to somebody who grew up in europe |
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| 21:24.11 | Stskeeps | passes the popcorn to lcuk |
| 21:24.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that's true of all modern industrialized nations. |
| 21:24.39 | moontiger | i think in europe we have a little more regulation to keep things in check |
| 21:24.55 | moontiger | here the corporations run the place |
| 21:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | and your state masters are somehow better? |
| 21:25.10 | lcuk | excellent Stskeeps, thanks |
| 21:25.12 | moontiger | swift boat veterans for the truth??? wtf was that?? |
| 21:25.48 | moontiger | yes GeneralAntilles believe it or not but some other places in the world do some things better than america |
| 21:25.51 | moontiger | shocking i know |
| 21:25.56 | GeneralAntilles | :rolleyes: |
| 21:26.14 | moontiger | anyways im done with america |
| 21:26.15 | melmoth | We do better food ! |
| 21:26.18 | moontiger | cant wait to leave |
| 21:26.36 | moontiger | and i wont let the door hit me on the way out |
| 21:26.42 | lcuk | moontiger, didnt you say you wouldnt return to the UK as well - you are runnin out of places to go |
| 21:26.42 | moontiger | ;) |
| 21:26.53 | moontiger | england sucks just cos it sucks |
| 21:26.57 | moontiger | america is criminal |
| 21:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | Arguing the relative merits of one sort of slavery to another isn't a useful use of my time. |
| 21:27.08 | moontiger | europe != england |
| 21:27.20 | melmoth | england is not that bad. (think about the steak and kidney pie) |
| 21:27.28 | moontiger | grimaces |
| 21:27.39 | moontiger | spain and africa i think for me |
| 21:27.47 | qwerty12_N800 | England = Fish & Chips |
| 21:27.57 | lcuk | spain AND africa? has living in america for so long made you THAT fat? |
| 21:28.08 | moontiger | hahaha .... not fat |
| 21:28.13 | moontiger | just love those places |
| 21:28.29 | moontiger | i run 5 miles every other day |
| 21:28.42 | lcuk | i kinda agree with spain, never set foot on africa but would like to one day |
| 21:28.50 | moontiger | i lived in cape town for 6yrs |
| 21:29.01 | lcuk | the missus has been to egypt and all around there and i wanna do it as well :) |
| 21:29.06 | moontiger | me too |
| 21:29.14 | moontiger | and japan ... i want to go there too |
| 21:29.25 | moontiger | and of course berlin |
| 21:29.28 | Stskeeps | mm, japan or africa, one of those - went to hong kong in feb |
| 21:29.43 | moontiger | i'll be going to all of them |
| 21:29.59 | moontiger | laptop + internet = happy moontiger |
| 21:30.06 | qwerty12_N800 | would like to go sweden, japan + germany. they've always appealed to me for some reason :) |
| 21:30.22 | moontiger | travelling is my thing |
| 21:30.25 | moontiger | i love it |
| 21:30.27 | whodat | earth in general is getting too boring. we need to colonize mars. |
| 21:30.54 | xorAxAx | hmm |
| 21:31.09 | xorAxAx | are there some python apps often run on maemo devices which do not use a gui? |
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| 21:31.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: meh @ sweden |
| 21:31.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, danish rivalry? :p |
| 21:31.33 | Stskeeps | just because they're blonde doesn't mean they're interesting |
| 21:31.46 | moontiger | hahaha |
| 21:31.51 | solmumaha | yes, sweden is a nono |
| 21:32.00 | moontiger | ive been to stockholm |
| 21:32.02 | moontiger | for 2 weeks |
| 21:32.05 | moontiger | liked it ok |
| 21:32.05 | melmoth | xorAxAx not that i know of, but it could be done |
| 21:32.55 | qwerty12_N800 | So I've got people on either side of sweden saying no :) |
| 21:32.55 | moontiger | has to do some php coding ... brb |
| 21:33.03 | cars__ | I would have no problem with the UK if they would stop turning their country into a surveillance state. |
| 21:33.05 | xorAxAx | melmoth: hmm, and which are the most often used gui ones? |
| 21:33.12 | xorAxAx | i think there is this mediathingie, right? |
| 21:33.15 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: could always go to finland.. and risk being kidnapped and be a nokia slave |
| 21:33.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:33.30 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:33.52 | melmoth | xorAxAx: i think canola is the most popular one |
| 21:33.57 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :p, or I could go Lund and let Sony Ericsson kidnap me :p |
| 21:34.03 | xorAxAx | melmoth: yeah |
| 21:34.14 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: thought that partnership was breaking up |
| 21:34.52 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hmm, i just thought they axed jobs. but I guess that's enough :/ |
| 21:35.25 | solmumaha | i recommend slovenia |
| 21:35.33 | mavhc | I misplaced my n810, so I ssh'd in and ran mplayer, the non phone version of phoning your phone |
| 21:35.35 | Stskeeps | romania wasn't that bad |
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| 21:36.35 | moontiger | mavhc, how did u wake up the wifi? |
| 21:36.52 | mavhc | I have it always connected |
| 21:37.04 | melmoth | Grumble, why is not python mentionned on the programming language cloud ? https://garage.maemo.org/softwaremap/trove_cloud.php?form_cat=160 |
| 21:37.06 | lcuk | gently, with a cup of coffee |
| 21:37.16 | mavhc | probably why it runs out of battery before the day's end |
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| 21:39.32 | LiraNuna | hi, anyone tried installing deblet on the N810 WiMAX edition? |
| 21:39.42 | Stskeeps | admittedly no, you got one? |
| 21:40.13 | qwerty12_N800 | LiraNuna, you'd probably encounter problems installing the inifs |
| 21:40.20 | qwerty12_N800 | *initfs |
| 21:40.29 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: you're welcome to help with providing information for the initfs's and such :P |
| 21:40.39 | Stskeeps | cos i haven't seen how the wimax edition looks like in initfs :P |
| 21:40.41 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I'm planning on buying one soon |
| 21:40.47 | LiraNuna | and I'm REALLY REALLY fond of deblet |
| 21:40.49 | qwerty12_N800 | actually, probably not,version string is the same |
| 21:40.59 | LiraNuna | I'll give as much help as needed! |
| 21:41.02 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: probably the first who's extremely fond of it :P |
| 21:41.13 | LiraNuna | is that a good thing or abad thing |
| 21:41.16 | LiraNuna | *a bad |
| 21:41.19 | Stskeeps | that's a good thing i guess ;) |
| 21:41.30 | Stskeeps | develops it, so he has a bit of a love-hate relationship with it |
| 21:41.38 | LiraNuna | :D |
| 21:41.50 | LiraNuna | any idea if the wimax will work? |
| 21:41.56 | Stskeeps | absolutely no clue |
| 21:42.10 | LiraNuna | I can always revert to maemo |
| 21:42.25 | LiraNuna | that's all I needed to hear |
| 21:42.29 | LiraNuna | orders |
| 21:42.29 | Stskeeps | i don't know if it appears as a wifi device or what happens, so |
| 21:42.45 | Stskeeps | but if you know your tech and maybe can code a bit, you're always welcome to help support it better |
| 21:42.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:43.01 | LiraNuna | can do both, sir |
| 21:43.32 | LiraNuna | found an N810 WiMAX at buy.com for only 395$ |
| 21:43.50 | LiraNuna | +free shipping and no tax |
| 21:46.26 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 21:48.26 | macoute_ | btw. anyone interested in harware-hacking a n810 without any risks? |
| 21:48.51 | macoute_ | i have a n810 with a insurance which covers anythin |
| 21:48.51 | macoute_ | g |
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| 21:52.39 | `0660 | could you this little test for me? |
| 21:53.26 | Stskeeps | macoute_: there's always repeating the underwater tablet still playing music experiment.. |
| 21:53.27 | `0660 | find a hammer and try to hit the n810 in the middle of the screen with relatively high force |
| 21:53.33 | `0660 | and tell me what happens |
| 21:53.47 | `0660 | :) |
| 21:53.52 | LiraNuna | hehe |
| 21:53.55 | lcuk | i can tell you XSP raw touch will return -1,"ouch" |
| 21:54.10 | macoute_ | `0660: but actually, my insurance covers the "possible" damages :P |
| 21:54.32 | LiraNuna | remembers reading "anything" |
| 21:54.47 | macoute_ | of course it costed about the same as the device itself :S |
| 21:55.42 | lcuk | "anything" is "a hammer fell from the sky" |
| 21:55.50 | lcuk | "possible" ^ even |
| 21:55.53 | macoute_ | but i was more thinking about some project which would require more than basic knowledge of the device itself |
| 21:56.40 | lcuk | ok, there is a set of screws on the back, if you remove these and carefully lift off the slide out keyboard, there should be a ribbon cable, please cut it up and tie it into a bow |
| 21:57.06 | Stskeeps | maybe investigating that weird plastic thing? |
| 21:57.09 | macoute_ | so it seems that theres no projects of that kind going on. thanks :) |
| 21:57.11 | lcuk | then send it to your insurance company and tell them is it "possible" to send you a new one |
| 21:57.21 | lcuk | Stskeeps, yeah that was odd |
| 21:57.21 | LiraNuna | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=207929561&loc=101 // damnit out of stock |
| 21:57.22 | Stskeeps | macoute_: i'm not sure there's much, as it's kinda deep down board stuff |
| 21:57.27 | lcuk | but i would pull it :$ |
| 21:57.38 | GeneralAntilles | Solder on a new eMMC chip. |
| 21:57.39 | lcuk | im a sucker for things like that |
| 21:57.39 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: you use deblet on n800/n810 though? |
| 21:57.41 | macoute_ | Stskeeps: what is weird plastic thing? |
| 21:57.50 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i had screen corruption but i had to quit to tell you that :p |
| 21:57.50 | qwerty12_N800 | is on a very slow connection btw :/ |
| 21:57.54 | lcuk | i once added a big red button to my app just to see whether ppl could resist |
| 21:57.55 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I don't own N800 nor N810 yet |
| 21:58.10 | lcuk | predicably, it was the most clicked button in the app \@/ |
| 21:58.10 | macoute_ | lcuk: noone could? |
| 21:58.13 | macoute_ | hehe |
| 21:58.28 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: okay |
| 21:59.19 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: .. so why do you like deblet? thought or? :P |
| 22:00.13 | LiraNuna | debian on a miniature tablet... makes me wet |
| 22:00.31 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:00.43 | LiraNuna | and those screenshots on the deblet page are just sexy |
| 22:00.59 | Stskeeps | our problems are power consumption right now but so it goes |
| 22:01.08 | LiraNuna | I'll be glad to help |
| 22:01.37 | Stskeeps | sounds good |
| 22:01.42 | Stskeeps | any experience in the area? |
| 22:02.02 | LiraNuna | amateur Linux programmer for several years |
| 22:03.36 | Stskeeps | alright |
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| 22:05.05 | cars__ | What is the battery life like with deblet? |
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| 22:05.15 | Stskeeps | cars__: 12 hours idle.. working on solutions |
| 22:05.36 | lcuk | Stskeeps, does cpufreq stuff work with it? |
| 22:05.48 | Stskeeps | lcuk: that's what im investigating is the problem.. |
| 22:05.59 | macoute_ | does your deblet-clock stay on time? |
| 22:06.08 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 22:06.10 | macoute_ | so have you already tuned the ticker? |
| 22:06.11 | macoute_ | ok |
| 22:06.11 | lcuk | cos qole uses in his chroot, or is that because hes setting it in original system |
| 22:06.25 | Stskeeps | lcuk: -performance is a battery killer |
| 22:06.25 | macoute_ | Stskeeps: thats a good thing, regarding the battery at least :) |
| 22:06.40 | lcuk | Stskeeps, :) not really its not - i stay in it all day |
| 22:06.43 | Stskeeps | macoute_: but i think that deals with not dealing with retu properly yet |
| 22:06.57 | macoute_ | Stskeeps: the clock problem? |
| 22:07.03 | lcuk | its better that its becoming a user option though |
| 22:07.10 | Stskeeps | macoute_: well i think we might have to set it when shutting down and stuff so |
| 22:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | I still want to know what armv6 would do for Deblet. |
| 22:07.15 | lcuk | so they can choose and say "well i want powersave |
| 22:07.21 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah.. i still wonder what to do about it |
| 22:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | Need to find some ARM gurus. |
| 22:07.53 | lcuk | wax on, wax off |
| 22:08.07 | LiraNuna | <GeneralAntilles> Need to find some ARM gurus. |
| 22:08.12 | LiraNuna | ask away |
| 22:08.16 | LiraNuna | I'm not a guru |
| 22:08.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i think compiling stuff like bash/dash/python and Xserver properly might help |
| 22:08.24 | lcuk | then he wont ask :P |
| 22:08.28 | GeneralAntilles | Well, how much would armv5 impact performance versus armv6? |
| 22:08.33 | Stskeeps | and hal, too |
| 22:08.35 | macoute_ | i'm an ARMED guru, thats okay? :) |
| 22:08.38 | LiraNuna | but I know quite some info |
| 22:08.41 | GeneralAntilles | and thus battery life. |
| 22:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | macoute_, .45 or .357? ;) |
| 22:09.51 | macoute_ | GeneralAntilles: a 9mm of course :) |
| 22:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | popgun. :P |
| 22:10.07 | macoute_ | :P |
| 22:10.14 | LiraNuna | hmm, I worked with ARM7 vs. arm5tve |
| 22:10.15 | lcuk | "you call that a gun?" |
| 22:10.20 | LiraNuna | (ARM9) |
| 22:10.54 | LiraNuna | I never played around with the ARMv6, |
| 22:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | Debian ARM EABI is compiled for armv5, and the tablets are armv6. |
| 22:11.21 | macoute_ | but arent there good specs on arm.com? |
| 22:11.24 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: nop, armv4t |
| 22:11.35 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I swear it was armv5. |
| 22:11.41 | Stskeeps | they went for a catch all afaik |
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| 22:12.07 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 22:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | Even worse. |
| 22:12.15 | Stskeeps | which obviously doesn't help |
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| 22:12.51 | LiraNuna | arm-eabi-elf target is usually targeted arm7tdmi if no flags are set |
| 22:13.13 | LiraNuna | afaik at least |
| 22:13.20 | derf | The biggest improvement with armv6 is the mmu, which you don't need to recompile to take advantage of. |
| 22:13.21 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: any good ideas on how to make a still-using-debian repos but supplementing with optimized packages then? |
| 22:13.37 | LiraNuna | -march=armv6 |
| 22:13.41 | Stskeeps | without changing version numbers ideally |
| 22:13.56 | LiraNuna | mirror... |
| 22:14.11 | LiraNuna | you'd have to recompile if you want specific optimizations |
| 22:14.38 | bmidgley_ | can the kickstand be tightened up so it doesn't slide wide open so easily on n810? |
| 22:15.17 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: obviously |
| 22:16.31 | Stskeeps | i saw apt-build but it seems .. unreliable |
| 22:17.29 | LiraNuna | I've never used apt-build |
| 22:17.32 | derf | There's the new SIMD instructions... but unless you're using gcc's autovectorizer, I doubt it will use them. |
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| 22:17.48 | derf | And even if you are, gcc's autovectorizer really doesn't work all that well yet. |
| 22:21.36 | qole | I'm just going to hang out here more often... by that, I mean fire up xchat and wait for my tablet to flash at me when someone needs to ask a question... |
| 22:21.52 | GeneralAntilles | qole, good plan. |
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| 22:23.03 | qole | time zones seem to be a problem, though; it is mid-afternoon here |
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| 22:23.23 | macoute_ | its 1.30 am here |
| 22:23.28 | macoute_ | i should be sleeping |
| 22:23.55 | qole | I'll try to be on in my morning, which is Euro evening... |
| 22:23.57 | LiraNuna | qole, CA? |
| 22:24.06 | macoute_ | i have a meeting about googleads tomorrow morning at 0930 |
| 22:24.13 | macoute_ | so its about 8 hours still |
| 22:24.23 | qole | Vancouver, BC |
| 22:24.31 | macoute_ | its meeting on, i think? |
| 22:24.35 | LiraNuna | so most deblet devs are europeans? |
| 22:24.52 | macoute_ | qole: you are a native speaker, is it meeting on something? |
| 22:25.02 | macoute_ | or meeting about somethign? |
| 22:25.16 | qole | about |
| 22:25.19 | macoute_ | ok, thanks |
| 22:25.29 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: nah, all around |
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| 22:25.35 | Stskeeps | johnx's in japan and i'm in denmark |
| 22:25.50 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I've heard your nickname before outside of the deblet project |
| 22:25.58 | LiraNuna | have you ever touched dslinux? |
| 22:26.10 | Stskeeps | no, but if you think of ircds.. |
| 22:26.22 | LiraNuna | bingo! |
| 22:26.26 | LiraNuna | DS scene |
| 22:27.02 | macoute_ | DS as in Nintendo DS? ;) |
| 22:27.12 | LiraNuna | yep |
| 22:27.18 | macoute_ | whoo, a linux on it |
| 22:27.21 | LiraNuna | yep |
| 22:27.24 | macoute_ | sounds pretty cool |
| 22:27.28 | LiraNuna | not what you expect though |
| 22:27.34 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: wrote one of the most popular ircds, but not so much anymore |
| 22:27.35 | macoute_ | i was actually buing one a week ago |
| 22:27.47 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, you don't recognize my nick name? |
| 22:27.50 | macoute_ | LiraNuna: as a fan of linux, im only expecting to see pinging localhost working ;) |
| 22:28.02 | LiraNuna | macoute_, hehe, much more than that will work |
| 22:28.22 | LiraNuna | wifi works and microX barely |
| 22:28.25 | macoute_ | LiraNuna: so its basically an out-of-the-box solution on my standards :P |
| 22:29.08 | macoute_ | and what else do you need from a working, production computer than ping localhost? |
| 22:29.56 | macoute_ | and if ping google.com is working, its must be more than enough for every user. you remember, 64k of memory is enough (or how much was it?) to anyone :9 |
| 22:30.59 | LiraNuna | they even ported irssi and lynx |
| 22:31.56 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: nop. |
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| 22:33.00 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I'm one of the "old school" ds developers around - http://www.liranuna.com/nds-projects/tales-of-dagur/ |
| 22:33.36 | LiraNuna | it's a small world after all :D |
| 22:34.45 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: hehe.. never did anything in the world of ds really, except nicking arm support for python stackless i think |
| 22:34.59 | LiraNuna | YEAH! THAT'S where I know you from! |
| 22:35.06 | LiraNuna | stackless python ! |
| 22:36.03 | Stskeeps | .. that port was never published though |
| 22:36.10 | LiraNuna | http://disinterest.org/NDS/Python25.html |
| 22:36.12 | LiraNuna | not yours? |
| 22:36.31 | Stskeeps | nop, i did use the code to make a stackless port for uni though |
| 22:36.35 | Stskeeps | for the tablets |
| 22:36.44 | Stskeeps | you probably know me from UnrealIRCd or some /info you saw |
| 22:37.23 | LiraNuna | hmm |
| 22:37.30 | Stskeeps | but a quick google of your nick does reflect some good background. demo parties are always a neat trick |
| 22:37.35 | Stskeeps | either that or The Party in .dk |
| 22:37.39 | Stskeeps | was a irc admin in 2002 |
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| 22:38.42 | Stskeeps | other than that i have no idea :P |
| 22:39.01 | LiraNuna | oh well ;( |
| 22:39.54 | Stskeeps | else you probably just saw my nick related to deblet |
| 22:39.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:41.58 | woglinde | nite |
| 22:42.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, sleep time for me too |
| 22:42.16 | Stskeeps | bbl |
| 22:47.42 | LiraNuna | does skype works on deblet? |
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| 22:56.14 | gregorovius | could anyone explain briefly what freemantle refers to? an os release? a new hardware platform? |
| 22:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | wikipedia is your friend |
| 22:57.03 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Fremantle |
| 22:58.44 | LiraNuna | "The new release will come with new hardware" |
| 22:58.45 | LiraNuna | :O |
| 22:58.48 | LiraNuna | N900? |
| 22:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:59.05 | GeneralAntilles | Semi-announced at the Maemo Summit. |
| 23:01.53 | gregorovius | I searched on the maemo.org wiki =/ that information should be there |
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| 23:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 23:04.16 | gregorovius | GeneralAntilles: basically my question is: will what's known as fremantle run on n800-810 or only on the n900? |
| 23:04.26 | GeneralAntilles | That's not known yet. |
| 23:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | Likely it'll only run on the N900 |
| 23:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | as the N900 is a MASSIVE jump in hardware over the N8x0 |
| 23:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | but Nokia doesn't know the answer to that question yet. |
| 23:05.21 | mgedmin | hm |
| 23:05.27 | mgedmin | fremantle will have clutter |
| 23:05.41 | mgedmin | that won't work well without hardware 3d accel |
| 23:05.55 | mgedmin | and somehow I doubt we're getting a powervr driver for n810 |
| 23:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows. |
| 23:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | Let's wait until something definitive and official comes out. |
| 23:07.43 | qole | I wish someone at Nokia would at least say, "we're still working on the powervr thing"... |
| 23:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | What, and get everybody's hopes up only to have them dashed? :P |
| 23:08.11 | GeneralAntilles | qole, not a marketing guy, eh? ;) |
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| 23:08.37 | LiraNuna | N810 has PowerVR ? |
| 23:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAP2420 does, yes. |
| 23:09.22 | qole | Complete silence for several months suggests the project has been sent to a distant back -burner |
| 23:09.30 | LiraNuna | and no hacking had been done? |
| 23:09.59 | gregorovius | i'm guessing it's probable the n900 will be in the price range of the n800 or 810 when they first came out... ~400 u$s |
| 23:10.13 | qole | link to the wiki page? |
| 23:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | qole, what wiki page? |
| 23:10.55 | qole | the powervr discussion page |
| 23:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification |
| 23:11.35 | qole | yeah, bottom of that page's discussion page |
| 23:13.57 | LiraNuna | I read that Symbian uses it |
| 23:14.06 | LiraNuna | didn't Symbian went open source lately? |
| 23:14.38 | glass | announced that they eventually will is saying it better |
| 23:14.54 | glass | the powervr thing has been beaten to death |
| 23:15.14 | glass | and even then 'eventually' i really doubt them making the drivers os |
| 23:15.28 | qole | 'We are having discussions with TI if we could find reasonable terms to get driver released to developers.' |
| 23:15.36 | qole | July 08 |
| 23:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, what does an open source operating system have to do with open source drivers? |
| 23:17.57 | lcuk | waves @ qole |
| 23:18.59 | lcuk | heard very drunken talk about powervr and decision re getting it |
| 23:19.42 | lcuk | and the noise coming out of my beerglass was that it was still infeasible |
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| 23:20.10 | lcuk | financially and stability wise, technically |
| 23:20.11 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 23:21.14 | lcuk | i even think i have o give up hope of the iva, since noone even knows where abouts the docs are for it |
| 23:21.51 | lcuk | qole, pm |
| 23:22.53 | matan | qole: Why does easy debian require gnutar? |
| 23:24.01 | qole | matan: downloading and decompressing the tar.bz2 |
| 23:25.15 | matan | why not use something like "bzcat file.tar.bz2 | tar xf -" ? This saves on a problematic dependency. |
| 23:25.45 | qole | lcuk: don't understand 'pm' in this context |
| 23:26.01 | lcuk | heh, well its not night time |
| 23:26.22 | lcuk | private message |
| 23:27.11 | qole | matan: as usual, I know very little about the options available; your way sounds good, tho |
| 23:27.42 | qole | lcuk: how does one do pms in IRC? |
| 23:28.25 | qole | bzcat sounds useful; in the maemo repos? |
| 23:28.26 | lcuk | geta sex change op, dont worry if your client cant do it by default, i just have to click your nick |
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| 23:28.57 | gregorovius | pre menstrual sindrome in irc? no idea |
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| 23:38.07 | moontiger | rofl |
| 23:39.58 | matan | bzcat is in bzip2 package |
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