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| 00:05.37 | bef0rd | new personal menu configuration dialog looks nicer |
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| 00:13.06 | cyrus__ | Stskeeps - looks good. Installation completed without error |
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| 00:20.31 | cyrus__ | Stskeeps - success. Deblet is booting. Thanks for the help |
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| 00:54.30 | cyrus__ | Stskeeps - everything is good but I find that deblet runs very very slow. |
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| 02:47.14 | lopz | night |
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| 03:36.43 | cactaur | Where can I find the kernel sources on the N800? |
| 03:39.25 | cactaur | Or... are they even on the N800? |
| 03:39.57 | whodat | i only see "openstreet" in maemo mapper, how do i get the google maps? |
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| 03:46.57 | moontiger | has anybody else been having "issues" with maemo.org? |
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| 03:58.28 | `0660 | yeah |
| 03:58.37 | `0660 | seemed to be down |
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| 04:32.51 | moontiger | how come its so hard for them to get a working web site??!!?? |
| 04:32.55 | moontiger | sheesh |
| 04:40.10 | RST38h | http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article847365.ece |
| 04:40.12 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 04:40.37 | RST38h | moontiger: I have got a theory on that but nobody is listening |
| 04:41.13 | RST38h | moontiger: My guess is that their publishing system (Midgard) issues SQL queries that bring down the MySQL |
| 04:41.39 | RST38h | Either due to lack of proper indices or just because the queries are too complex. |
| 04:42.34 | doc|home | RST38h: that's just dumb |
| 04:43.45 | RST38h | Why? It is really easy to get into this situation, especially if you are not watching MySQL logs |
| 04:44.18 | RST38h | But the fun part is that if I am right, no amount of extra hardware will save their ass =) |
| 04:47.19 | `0660 | :) |
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| 05:46.08 | slonopotamus | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 303 |
| 05:46.08 | slonopotamus | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 299 |
| 05:46.08 | slonopotamus | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 300 |
| 05:46.11 | slonopotamus | is it good? |
| 05:46.30 | moontiger | sorry was away |
| 05:46.40 | moontiger | RST38h, yah something is def screwy |
| 05:46.55 | moontiger | i write high perf websites for a living and this makes no sense |
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| 05:47.35 | moontiger | if the queries are that complex to be slowing things down that much it means the db design isnt very good |
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| 07:02.47 | RST38h | slonopotamus: it is normal. qemu sucks. debug on the real tablet. |
| 07:03.10 | slonopotamus | RST38h, tell that to autobuilder :) |
| 07:03.21 | RST38h | ah |
| 07:03.24 | slonopotamus | aha |
| 07:03.34 | RST38h | autobuilder. |
| 07:04.03 | RST38h | what part of the build process caused these? |
| 07:04.33 | slonopotamus | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/fakeroot_1.9.5/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 07:05.11 | slonopotamus | maybe autobuilder should pass "nocheck" option for armel target... because it often has troubles. |
| 07:05.12 | RST38h | using cell phone. cant open links. |
| 07:05.16 | slonopotamus | oh |
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| 07:05.33 | slonopotamus | error happens during tests |
| 07:05.45 | RST38h | well, your best bet would be asking x-fade for help |
| 07:06.05 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, gimme som help, please :) |
| 07:06.12 | slonopotamus | s/som/some |
| 07:07.04 | RST38h | sdk qemu does not support all maemo features (file dialog will kill it for example) so using it to test is not very fruitful |
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| 07:25.07 | hrw | morning |
| 07:25.49 | johnx | hey hrw. you tried to update the hildon packages in OE a while back, didn't you? |
| 07:26.01 | hrw | RST38h: it is not qemu fault but scratchbox fault - they use old qemu |
| 07:26.20 | hrw | johnx: Poky has them |
| 07:26.37 | johnx | w00t! |
| 07:26.56 | hrw | in one of experimental branches |
| 07:27.10 | johnx | I'll look :) |
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| 07:32.11 | RST38h | hrw: Oh |
| 07:40.54 | Jaffa | morning, all |
| 07:41.32 | johnx | mornin' Jaffa |
| 07:44.22 | RST38h | hrw: May it be possible to upgrade qemu at least inside the autobuilder installation? |
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| 07:47.15 | hrw | RST38h: I am not familiar with sbox and have no idea which patches they apply to qemu |
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| 07:49.04 | RST38h | better wait for X-Fade and talk him into it then =) |
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| 08:53.27 | RST38h | moo, johnx |
| 08:54.27 | RST38h | ~curse maemo.org in general and Midgard in particular for 2+ minute page load times |
| 08:54.27 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo.org in general and Midgard in particular for 2+ minute page load times ! |
| 08:55.03 | aquatix | soooo, servers not entirely migrated yet? |
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| 08:56.27 | RST38h | no idea. |
| 08:56.39 | RST38h | as I said, I doubt migration will help |
| 08:56.51 | tekojo | RST38h, aquatix: the web servers yes, but the database server is slow and buggy |
| 08:57.05 | tekojo | Looking at hardware and MySQL |
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| 08:57.31 | RST38h | tekojo: Have you looked at MySQL execution logs? |
| 08:57.40 | tekojo | Personally no |
| 08:57.52 | tekojo | I'm not too good with MySQL |
| 08:57.57 | RST38h | tekojo: Does MySQL have commands like EXPLAIN to show what each query ends up doing and how long each operation takes? |
| 08:58.23 | tekojo | Hope so, but don't know, if it were Oracle I would know :-) |
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| 08:59.00 | tekojo | But the OS level statistics also show something fishy going on |
| 08:59.03 | RST38h | tekojo: I do not think it is that much different nowadays |
| 08:59.35 | RST38h | tekojo: My strong suspicion is you are missing a few important indices (easy to fix - CREATE INDEX ON) *or* issuing queries that are too complex |
| 09:00.13 | tekojo | That could be one thing that is wrong, but I fear that it is that plus something else. |
| 09:00.30 | tekojo | Or worse the hardware is broken |
| 09:01.08 | RST38h | not likely |
| 09:01.27 | RST38h | usually trusts the hardware: it either dies completely or it works |
| 09:02.02 | tekojo | Well, the stats look pretty strange |
| 09:03.24 | tekojo | I am having everything checked just to be sure |
| 09:03.54 | tekojo | And I am a pretty frustrated with this ongoing problem too |
| 09:06.19 | RST38h | I would be ok with some delays but 2+ minutes is unrealistic |
| 09:06.35 | RST38h | A bit more, and we will have to send HTTP requests by email |
| 09:08.55 | RST38h | Just updated ColEm and MasterGear for Maemo. Whoever is interested, either install/update from Extras or use the homepages |
| 09:09.00 | tekojo | It's not sending the http, it's getting the answer (just need to send us your home address and a self addressed stamped envelope...) |
| 09:13.49 | aquatix | might indeed be missing some indices |
| 09:14.01 | aquatix | and yes, mysql has explain functionality :) |
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| 09:58.01 | lardman | morning all |
| 10:01.21 | lcuk | lobs a tumbleweed @ lardman |
| 10:01.24 | lcuk | mornin simon |
| 10:02.09 | lcuk | but im not actually here, so cya later |
| 10:05.24 | RST38h | ehlo, lardman, lcuk |
| 10:06.07 | lardman | lol lcuk, hi anyway |
| 10:06.09 | lardman | hi RST38h |
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| 10:20.33 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! Where can I get a maemo.org logo SVG? |
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| 10:23.22 | L0cutus | hello |
| 10:23.50 | L0cutus | seems we need the new kernel on n8** it :) |
| 10:24.09 | L0cutus | the new FS seems very useful |
| 10:24.24 | L0cutus | UBFIS (Unsorted Block Images File System) |
| 10:24.39 | L0cutus | born for ssd/flash cards |
| 10:32.31 | lcuk | lardman, just to let you know i put that fakey multitouch idea into code and its in the latest deb for liqbase. it seems to work quite well and stays with the second moving finger |
| 10:33.14 | lcuk | the itT thread should have a link |
| 10:33.24 | lardman | cool, will give it a go when I get a chance |
| 10:33.28 | lcuk | runs off again, POA screens to do |
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| 10:50.43 | trickie|work | L0cutus: not for sdcards |
| 10:50.50 | trickie|work | for raw flash |
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| 10:58.41 | L0cutus | trickie|work, are you sure ? |
| 10:58.48 | L0cutus | why not sd ? |
| 10:59.24 | trickie|work | yes im sure |
| 10:59.25 | trickie|work | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html |
| 10:59.29 | trickie|work | read the big note at the top |
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| 11:09.51 | crashanddie | trickie|work, the n810 runs mtdblock, right? |
| 11:09.57 | crashanddie | (well, Diablo as a whole) |
| 11:11.54 | trickie|work | yep, which i think emulates block devices from raw flash |
| 11:12.03 | trickie|work | so to access the raw flash as a block device |
| 11:12.09 | crashanddie | yeah, but isn't that like crap? |
| 11:12.17 | trickie|work | sdcards usually have block device emulation in hardware |
| 11:12.59 | crashanddie | using mtdblock is a very bad idea because what it basically does if you change any sector of you mtdblockX device, it reads the whole corresponding eraseblock into the memory, erases the eraseblock, changes the sector in RAM, and writes the whole eraseblock back. This is very straightforward. If you have a power failure when the eraseblock is being erased, you lose all the block device sectors in it. The flash will likely decay soon |
| 11:12.59 | crashanddie | because you will wear few eraseblocks out - most probably those ones which contain FAT/bitmap/inode table/etc. |
| 11:13.05 | trickie|work | crashanddie: not sure of the pro's or con's but i guess it makes it easier to make raw flash behave similar to other storage devices |
| 11:13.41 | trickie|work | i thought the fs did the wear-levelling |
| 11:13.46 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: aren't you thinking about jffs and not mtd? |
| 11:14.09 | Stskeeps | jffs has the whole eraseblock stuff |
| 11:14.14 | crashanddie | hey, that's just a copy paste from linux-mtd.infradead.org :P |
| 11:14.16 | crashanddie | link given above |
| 11:15.30 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: if mtdblock is so bad, why does UBIFS run on top of it? :P |
| 11:15.42 | crashanddie | dunno |
| 11:15.57 | Stskeeps | fat on top of mtdblock, sure, bad :P |
| 11:16.27 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, ubi doesn't run atop mtdblock |
| 11:17.31 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: ubi subsystem runs on top of mtd subsystem, and ubifs runs on top of ubi subsystem |
| 11:17.35 | Stskeeps | look at your own link |
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| 11:19.19 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, eh? |
| 11:19.53 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, mtdblock != mtd subsystem |
| 11:20.57 | trickie|work | i guess ubi is a next generation mtdblock |
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| 11:21.14 | trickie|work | and iguess they use mtdblock now cause there are not many alternatives |
| 11:21.50 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, mtdblock translates an MTD to conform to a regular block device. UBI accesses the raw flash, and thus uses it as a regular MTD device |
| 11:22.20 | crashanddie | mtdblock gives you access to sectors, which are mapped into a single eraseblock. UBI uses eraseblocks directly |
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| 11:30.15 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: ah |
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| 11:40.32 | blafasel_ | Stupid question: I installed the deb that clones my installation to the SD card, and after that I always have to listen to that retarded "I pronounce linux linux" sample. Funny, but please, please tell me where this thing hides so that I can kill it. |
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| 11:48.19 | napsy_ | Hello. I ported my gtk+ program to nokia n800 with os2008. Now I'm interested to put the program to fullscreen. How could I do that? |
| 11:49.08 | aquatix | press the fullscreen button? |
| 11:49.16 | napsy_ | It doesn't work |
| 11:49.20 | aquatix | or by default? |
| 11:49.21 | aquatix | oh |
| 11:49.32 | Mek | damn, that default media player application in maemo really sucks... the text "Playing: foobar" shows another song than it is actually playing :) |
| 11:49.45 | aquatix | oh? |
| 11:49.54 | aquatix | i haven't encountered that |
| 11:50.02 | aquatix | i even use it as default music player |
| 11:50.07 | aquatix | works for me |
| 11:50.33 | melmoth | napsy_: add a callback that launch fullscreen() whenever the f6 key is pressed |
| 11:50.39 | Mek | probably some race condition or somethin I guess |
| 11:50.54 | aquatix | Mek: i guess indeed |
| 11:51.10 | napsy_ | melmoth, can I force fulscreen without pressing the key? |
| 11:51.26 | RST38h | Mek: it is probablydesyncing because of dbus |
| 11:51.27 | melmoth | add a call to fullscreen() directly |
| 11:51.40 | napsy_ | ok I'll try, tnx |
| 11:51.56 | solmumaha | i think you need to toggle fullscreen/unfullscreen |
| 11:52.41 | napsy_ | hmm |
| 11:52.51 | napsy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.13 | melmoth | should be recognise by any top window (gtk or hildon) |
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| 11:54.41 | napsy_ | ok |
| 11:55.19 | luogni | napsy_, gtk_window_fullscreen (....) and gtk_window_unfullscreen (...) look at the gtk reference guide! |
| 11:55.41 | napsy_ | ok tnx |
| 11:55.53 | luogni | np |
| 11:56.17 | crashanddie | aquatix, same here, default media player works fine :) |
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| 12:01.54 | lopz | hola |
| 12:03.53 | napsy_ | hm strange I get a segfault if I try to fullscreen the window |
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| 12:04.59 | melmoth | random idea: try to fullscreen it later on (just in case it was not exisiting or displayed where you try) |
| 12:05.14 | napsy_ | ok |
| 12:05.36 | RST38h | napsy: it means that something in your window is broken |
| 12:06.14 | napsy_ | well it works fine if I don't call _fullscreen() |
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| 12:11.02 | napsy_ | ok it works now |
| 12:11.05 | RST38h | napsy: try disabling all the widgets and see if it starts working |
| 12:11.10 | RST38h | what was it? |
| 12:11.40 | napsy_ | when I was commenting out hildon code I forgot that Hildon Program wasn't allocated |
| 12:12.10 | solmumaha | napsy_: what does your app do? |
| 12:12.23 | RST38h | urgh |
| 12:12.30 | RST38h | that will do it for you. |
| 12:13.17 | napsy_ | solmumaha, it simmulates something .. sry I can't go into details :-) |
| 12:13.44 | melmoth | it sure stimulate our curiosity |
| 12:15.56 | napsy_ | :) |
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| 12:17.45 | lcuk | it simulates seg faults |
| 12:17.56 | lcuk | very good at it as well |
| 12:18.05 | lcuk | faster and more accurate than anything |
| 12:18.18 | lcuk | even in fullscreen now |
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| 12:21.23 | RST38h | Hey, gentlemen, I have got a strange question |
| 12:22.06 | RST38h | When you have your tablet laying somewhere and an email comes, it will start flashing that little envelope icon at the left bottom corner of the screen right? |
| 12:22.28 | hrw | RST38h: I had that way |
| 12:22.32 | RST38h | What happens with the battery in this case? Will it drain the battery faster while flashing the icon? |
| 12:23.05 | RST38h | I know for sure that enabling scroll in the RSS reader applet drains the battery really fast. What about the email notification? |
| 12:23.50 | luogni | RST38h, i think (hope) the flashing will be disabled when the screen go black |
| 12:23.57 | lcuk | if you are sending data to the lcd on a regular basis then yeah it will be active and will drain faster (thats common sense, not surei f its true) |
| 12:25.03 | RST38h | but the real question is: DOES IT flash the icon when the screen is off? |
| 12:25.33 | solmumaha | and does it stop flashing after a while? |
| 12:26.21 | lcuk | RST38h, same can be said for things like titlebar clock or the flashing cursor on searchbox |
| 12:26.44 | RST38h | lcuk: Title bar clock is harmless - it updates once a minute |
| 12:26.52 | Stskeeps | i still wonder if X refreshes the screen while screen off honestly |
| 12:26.58 | RST38h | Flashing searchbox cursor I have been suspecting for a long time |
| 12:27.05 | luogni | it doesn't stop after a while, i receive some time mails during the night and in the morning it's still flashing. i just think that it doesn't flash when the screen is off because i never have low battery in the morning.. |
| 12:27.10 | Stskeeps | that would be a simple hack/improvement |
| 12:27.12 | RST38h | But it is not usually activated |
| 12:27.13 | lcuk | are you sure... if its out of sync timing wise, it could display the same minute number for nearly 2 minutes |
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| 12:27.54 | RST38h | well, rss reader with scrolling brings it down for sure, even with the screen off |
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| 12:28.08 | RST38h | So, I guess it is still refreshing unless application tells it not to |
| 12:28.16 | Stskeeps | maybe a simple screensaver that goes blank would help on things? |
| 12:28.26 | Stskeeps | then it doesn't get asked to redraw |
| 12:28.42 | RST38h | but these things initiate redraws themselves |
| 12:28.47 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 12:29.07 | lcuk | Stskeeps, then you have dual problem of one element attempting to refresh its part of the screen then being overdrawn by the blank overlapping window |
| 12:29.22 | GAN800 | Things stop update when the screen in blank. |
| 12:29.30 | GAN800 | s/update/updating/ |
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| 12:29.49 | Stskeeps | GAN800: cos of a hildon/gtk trick or? |
| 12:30.14 | lcuk | GAN800, dont be so certain. the app has to specifically listen for the correct events and handle accordingly |
| 12:30.20 | GAN800 | Dunno the specifics, but they do. |
| 12:30.32 | GAN800 | lcuk, and Nokia stuff does. |
| 12:30.50 | GAN800 | As they'd be out of spec if they didn't. |
| 12:31.20 | lcuk | what about the known problem of rss reader drainage |
| 12:31.38 | GAN800 | Random 3rd party shit, sure, there's uncertainty there, but we're not talking random 3rd party shit. |
| 12:31.40 | lcuk | apparantly still scrolling in the dark |
| 12:32.00 | GAN800 | That should've been fixed a while ago. |
| 12:32.24 | GAN800 | If it's not stopping, then that's a bug and should be reported |
| 12:32.35 | GAN800 | but the spec says they stop. |
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| 12:33.23 | lcuk | yes, and as with everything, sometimes variations and exclusions from the spec occur and you rightly say they are bugs |
| 12:33.24 | RST38h | but the key is that this stoppage has to happen in response to a gtk event? |
| 12:33.55 | GAN800 | I believe it's a dbus event. |
| 12:34.03 | solmumaha | i'd suspect that too |
| 12:34.18 | lcuk | RST38h, yes, theres events which occur centrally to tell you to essentially hibernate because you arent topdog anymore and blank unblank lock type events |
| 12:35.04 | lcuk | however, im not sure how many of these events things like desktop applets are expected to listen to |
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| 12:36.28 | lcuk | its these events that i bail of out liqbase on, i havent got 100% info on how to handle them, so i close app as soon as they occur - better that than sit there draining battery or stuck in background |
| 12:38.20 | GAN800 | I know for sure home applets are expected to stop when they're in the background or the screen is blanked. |
| 12:39.45 | lcuk | but things like rss run concurrently with other applets, what do you mean by background? |
| 12:39.59 | lcuk | as in when a fullapp is coveruing? |
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| 12:43.16 | RST38h | is not handling those events right now |
| 12:43.23 | RST38h | Probably should go to sleep or something |
| 12:43.53 | GAN800 | There can only be one window on top, when the desktop isn't it, they shouldn't be doing things. |
| 12:44.47 | Stskeeps | why does people want dsme for light sensor alterations? that's mce? :P |
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| 12:45.06 | lcuk | plugin base example here http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo |
| 12:45.25 | GAN800 | I just want to be able to play with Nokia's broken sensor logic, whereever it is. |
| 12:45.39 | lcuk | shows the api entries called by hildon for foreground/background/statesave - but the example doesnt use them |
| 12:45.42 | RST38h | On the other hand, I sleep on focus-out |
| 12:45.47 | RST38h | Is that sufficient? |
| 12:45.55 | Stskeeps | GAN800: ..get a 770 and get mce.tar.gz :P |
| 12:46.03 | Stskeeps | from HE |
| 12:46.17 | lcuk | RST38h, is yours a desktop applet |
| 12:46.26 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, Firefox can't find the server at mce.tar.gz. |
| 12:46.46 | Fatal | machine check exception? |
| 12:46.49 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: pft |
| 12:46.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:47.20 | _|Nix|_ | Gods below! maemo.org is /still/ horribly slow ... |
| 12:47.35 | RST38h | lcuk: No, normal app |
| 12:47.44 | GAN800 | Nix, server move still isn't done, apparentlt. |
| 12:47.47 | _|Nix|_ | I've literally been waiting 5 minutes for http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ |
| 12:47.49 | inz | lcuk, that's for the old ugly API |
| 12:47.52 | RST38h | lcuk: But the matter still applies |
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| 12:48.13 | GAN800 | Fatal, machine control entity. |
| 12:48.17 | RST38h | Nix: The common conclusion reached this morning is that you should use email to send http requests to maemo.org from now on |
| 12:48.30 | _|Nix|_ | LOL :o) |
| 12:48.48 | RST38h | But at least these guys started figuring out that something fishy is going on with their MySQL server |
| 12:48.56 | Fatal | GAN800: ok, I've only run into MCE as part of kernel output, and there it's machine check exception, I hate TLAs :) |
| 12:49.15 | _|Nix|_ | "Hi!, Could you guys please attach http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ to your reply to this email? TIA, and Best regards!" |
| 12:49.53 | _|Nix|_ | At least the buildbot is decent. |
| 12:52.26 | RST38h | Just this morning there were complainta about the buildbot |
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| 12:52.53 | RST38h | Apparently it tries to test an application using QEmu and SB1 version of QEmu is unreliable |
| 12:53.19 | _|Nix|_ | BTW: I've uploaded a debhelper-like add-package-icon-to-package util to extras-devel: debhelper-maemo-package-icons. You simply add debian/package-name.png and put dh_maemo_package_icons to the top of the binary-arch target and dh_maemo_package_icons --remove to the bottom of binary-arch, and all packages that have package-name.png files in debian/ will have that as their package icon. |
| 12:53.33 | _|Nix|_ | Whaddya think? Disastrous? |
| 12:54.27 | RST38h | Pure evil. |
| 12:54.38 | _|Nix|_ | Egads! Why? |
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| 12:56.14 | Stskeeps | _|Nix|_: sounds good |
| 12:56.23 | _|Nix|_ | Stskeeps: Sweetness ... |
| 12:56.39 | RST38h | What is wrong with running uuencode -m and pasting the result into control file? |
| 12:57.01 | Jaffa | assumes RST38h is being sarcastic. |
| 12:57.08 | _|Nix|_ | RST38h: You have to keep your control file up-to-date. |
| 12:57.11 | RST38h | is always like that |
| 12:57.31 | RST38h | Nix: My icons change very rarely, isn't much of a problem... |
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| 13:07.30 | fijal | hello |
| 13:07.35 | fijal | my scratchbox just stopped working |
| 13:07.42 | fijal | when I try to run anything just compiled it says |
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| 13:07.52 | fijal | mmap: Permission denied |
| 13:08.05 | fijal | exact strace: |
| 13:08.07 | fijal | [pid 13086] mmap2(0x8000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 4, 0) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 13:08.17 | fijal | where 4 is a fd of executable file |
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| 13:18.57 | Stskeeps | "Finally, libcalmodule.so will be dropped. " |
| 13:18.59 | Stskeeps | no shit |
| 13:19.03 | Stskeeps | knew that was coming |
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| 13:19.58 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: what does/did it do? |
| 13:20.39 | Stskeeps | Robot101: CAL is the area that nokia doesn't think people have the know how to get access to, with wlan mac, calibration data, and other stuff, and then keeps hiding away |
| 13:21.28 | Robot101 | right, I know this because the flasher misidentified a prototype and destroyed the CAL block, resulting in both devices having WLAN mac address ending c0:ff:ee :P |
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| 13:23.19 | Stskeeps | should really document his findings so this whole charade can stop |
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| 13:26.57 | MangoFusion | is that cal or hal? ;) |
| 13:27.39 | Stskeeps | cal |
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| 13:28.02 | aquatix | anyone also using telepathy-haze and having a failing MSN connection? |
| 13:28.18 | Robot101 | aquatix: I think it'll be the SSL certificate |
| 13:28.22 | aquatix | it even seems to segfault in the background (as i get coredumps) |
| 13:28.29 | aquatix | Robot101: ah |
| 13:28.39 | aquatix | Robot101: any idea why it worked before the latest diablo update? |
| 13:28.46 | aquatix | or rather, why it stopped since? :) |
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| 13:29.07 | Robot101 | aquatix: verisign or Microsoft's certificate expired, and they issued a new one, i think |
| 13:29.16 | aquatix | ah, right |
| 13:29.20 | Robot101 | aquatix: so you need newer SSL certificates in order to connect |
| 13:29.32 | Robot101 | wjt: aquatix is seeing core dumps, so maybe it's not the SSL thing at all? |
| 13:29.32 | aquatix | so, erm, how to install those? |
| 13:29.44 | wjt | aquatix: you're using a 0.1.x haze, right? |
| 13:29.55 | aquatix | wjt: let me check the exact version |
| 13:30.04 | wjt | older hazes segv with probability 1/2 if there's an error connecting :P |
| 13:30.14 | aquatix | :) |
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| 13:30.47 | aquatix | filled up my card quite quickly btw ;) |
| 13:30.47 | Robot101 | aquatix: will you be around in like 1 hour? we're about to go for lunch. :) |
| 13:30.47 | wjt | aquatix: you could see which certificates are in Debian's latest ca-certificates package but not in maemo's |
| 13:30.58 | aquatix | i have account-plugin-haze version 0.1-1 |
| 13:31.03 | Robot101 | wjt: maemo has libcst and magical certificate store with GUI |
| 13:31.04 | aquatix | Robot101: sure |
| 13:31.07 | wjt | oh does it really |
| 13:31.08 | Robot101 | wjt: so you have to look in that gui |
| 13:31.12 | wjt | le sigh. |
| 13:31.32 | aquatix | Robot101: enjoy your lunch first :) |
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| 13:31.33 | wjt | aquatix: i'll be back in a bit |
| 13:31.40 | aquatix | wjt: and you too of course |
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| 13:31.45 | wjt | :) |
| 13:31.53 | Robot101 | aquatix: it was a certificate added between ca-certificates 20070303-0.1 and 20080809 in Debian |
| 13:32.02 | aquatix | Robot101: ah :) |
| 13:32.09 | wjt | i wonder if i could include it in the new haze packages i was working on yesterday |
| 13:32.15 | Robot101 | and I think it was a verisign cert or something |
| 13:32.19 | Robot101 | wjt: yeah that might make it work |
| 13:32.19 | Robot101 | :P |
| 13:32.27 | Robot101 | wjt: or make the postinst poke the cert into libcst or somethibng |
| 13:32.30 | Robot101 | *something |
| 13:32.31 | wjt | Robot101: right |
| 13:32.33 | aquatix | installed from the collabora haze repository btw |
| 13:32.35 | wjt | that's what i was thinking |
| 13:32.35 | Robot101 | a job for... after lunch man! |
| 13:32.37 | asys3 | lcuk: just installed liqbase 005 - great work!!! |
| 13:32.50 | aquatix | Robot101, wjt: get to lunch dammit ;) |
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| 14:13.30 | ctooley | I can't find the instructions for using the flasher utility for Linux. |
| 14:13.46 | ctooley | I'm trying to flash my N800 with Diablo |
| 14:15.33 | aquatix | http://fosswire.com/2007/12/30/n800-users-flash-to-os2008/ <- first hit on google |
| 14:15.33 | johnx | ~flashing |
| 14:15.34 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:15.37 | aquatix | looks for the wiki |
| 14:15.38 | aquatix | ah |
| 14:15.44 | aquatix | ^ see that one ;) |
| 14:15.54 | johnx | practices his quick-draw |
| 14:16.07 | lcuk | draws a stickman |
| 14:16.31 | ctooley | all thanks |
| 14:16.41 | aquatix | :) |
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| 14:31.21 | whodat | is there a way to get rid of the scrollbar in terminal |
| 14:32.07 | crashanddie | wants to register isaid.no |
| 14:35.41 | lcuk | register said.no and then sell off subdomains |
| 14:38.02 | jaska | your.mom.should.have.said.no? |
| 14:38.11 | aquatix | ghehehe |
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| 14:39.39 | aquatix | Robot101: back yet? :) |
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| 14:40.24 | wjt | he's still out, but i'm back |
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| 14:41.15 | RST38h | the.answer.is.no\ |
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| 14:41.26 | sp3000 | hrm, .eh is reserved |
| 14:41.34 | sp3000 | (no it's not an alias for .ca) |
| 14:41.45 | RST38h | who is .eh? |
| 14:41.49 | sp3000 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.eh |
| 14:42.03 | RST38h | ah shit |
| 14:42.14 | sp3000 | annoying.eh |
| 14:42.48 | GAN800 | canadian.eh |
| 14:43.30 | RST38h | you evil canadian haters |
| 14:44.05 | RST38h | can't forget them getting n810s before the us, eh? ;) |
| 14:44.05 | aquatix | wjt: hey :) |
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| 14:54.00 | aquatix | wjt: so, erm, interested in wrapping up a new package for telepathy haze with new certs and such? :) |
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| 14:56.51 | wjt | aquatix: yes |
| 14:56.53 | Stskeeps | lcuk: what's the essense of /sys/devices/platform/dsp/state |
| 14:56.54 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 14:57.00 | wjt | aquatix: did you figure out what certs are needed? |
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| 14:57.12 | aquatix | wjt: hm, not yet |
| 14:57.17 | wjt | aquatix: hopefully i'll have time one of the next few evenings to finish the new packages |
| 14:57.27 | wjt | aquatix: so if you don't locate the cert i will do so :) |
| 14:57.30 | aquatix | didn't Robot101 know which to use? |
| 14:57.40 | aquatix | i can look at one of my debian machine |
| 14:57.42 | aquatix | +s |
| 14:58.34 | qwerty12 | lcuk: btw, I get screen corruption in 0.0.4 too. It may be because I'm using rotation kernel or due to changes in xserver and kernel in 36-5 |
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| 15:04.05 | aquatix | wjt: hm, frankly, i don't have a clue :) |
| 15:04.27 | wjt | aquatix: well, i'll get on the case asap |
| 15:04.52 | aquatix | the list is a bit too large too see which one is relevant for mickeysoft |
| 15:04.59 | wjt | sure |
| 15:05.03 | aquatix | some verisign one i guess |
| 15:05.06 | aquatix | great :) |
| 15:05.36 | aquatix | no hurries |
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| 15:25.04 | aquatix | wjt: fyi, i'm going home now; will be back in a few hours |
| 15:25.21 | wjt | k |
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| 15:49.37 | slonopotamus | qemu is totally broken :( |
| 15:50.29 | Stskeeps | for per-binary running? probably |
| 15:50.34 | Stskeeps | use a sbrsh to a qemu instead |
| 15:50.52 | RST38h | he cant |
| 15:50.59 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 15:51.17 | slonopotamus | you knew ;) |
| 15:51.54 | RST38h | hrw says that sb1 qemu version is outdated |
| 15:52.16 | RST38h | and autobuilder uses sb1 |
| 15:52.28 | slonopotamus | i don't have any package with tests that successfully built in qemu |
| 15:52.34 | slonopotamus | that's bad |
| 15:53.10 | RST38h | it is probably some really small detail |
| 15:53.45 | RST38h | for me it was the open file dialog - made me switch to the real device |
| 15:54.03 | slonopotamus | let's put some n8x0 as armel builders? |
| 15:54.50 | RST38h | or just make a realistic submission procedure |
| 15:54.53 | Stskeeps | or just beagleboards. they'd fit in nicely together with the 770s running maemo.org |
| 15:55.06 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 15:55.08 | Stskeeps | (major improvement |
| 15:55.09 | RST38h | that takes into account stuff that is broken |
| 15:55.29 | RST38h | ok, off to the subway |
| 15:55.34 | Stskeeps | goes compile maemo-gtk for debian to see how badly it breaks. |
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| 15:56.02 | GAN800 | I talked with tekojo a bit about Beagles |
| 15:56.08 | slonopotamus | what's the point in having fast but incompatible builder? |
| 15:56.12 | GAN800 | that'd be quite cool. |
| 15:57.34 | Stskeeps | maemo on beagles or? |
| 15:58.02 | GAN800 | For the builder |
| 15:58.05 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:58.57 | slonopotamus | is it possible to use debian repos directly from deblet? |
| 16:00.31 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: we use debian repos as main source |
| 16:00.34 | Stskeeps | then we put stuff on top |
| 16:02.55 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 16:03.17 | slonopotamus | that's good. are you based in lenny? |
| 16:03.20 | slonopotamus | on |
| 16:03.42 | Stskeeps | it's up to what you select in installer |
| 16:03.43 | Stskeeps | sid or lenny |
| 16:03.47 | Stskeeps | etch doesn't exist for armel properly so |
| 16:03.57 | slonopotamus | hmm... |
| 16:04.24 | slonopotamus | sid and lenny have different versions of libc, right? |
| 16:04.37 | Stskeeps | no clue, i guess lenny is based on current sid isn't it? |
| 16:04.41 | Stskeeps | lenny is next stable release |
| 16:05.05 | slonopotamus | visa versa |
| 16:05.26 | slonopotamus | hmm... |
| 16:05.34 | slonopotamus | or maybe i'm wrong |
| 16:06.13 | slonopotamus | anyway. i don't think you can use same binaries in lenny _and_ in sid |
| 16:06.13 | Stskeeps | well, they obviously branched lenny at some point :P |
| 16:06.45 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: libc is mostly backwards compatible though. |
| 16:06.49 | Stskeeps | ABI wise |
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| 16:08.11 | slonopotamus | libdb's debiaan/rules has pretty variable VERY_BROKEN_ARCHES :) i love it |
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| 16:08.50 | slonopotamus | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/fakeroot_1.9.5maemo1/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 16:08.53 | slonopotamus | is it ok? |
| 16:09.09 | slonopotamus | it built perfectly for armel |
| 16:09.51 | slonopotamus | (after disabling tests) |
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| 16:11.36 | Khertan_n810 | Hi everyone ! |
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| 16:12.13 | Mousey | hi |
| 16:12.34 | qwerty12 | Hello Khertan_n810, haven't seen you in a while :) |
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| 16:12.56 | qwerty12 | I need to do your theme border hack again, the borders are fugly >.< |
| 16:13.25 | Khertan_n810 | There is something that i don t understand with python thread what exactly gtk.gdk.threads_enter() do ? |
| 16:13.38 | Khertan_n810 | hi qwerty12, yep i was ill |
| 16:13.48 | slonopotamus | so. instead of building package for one environment, i need to build it for three: qemu, x86 and armel. all of them have different packages and tools. this drives me crazy. |
| 16:14.17 | inz | Khertan, locks the "gdk core" |
| 16:14.50 | inz | Khertan, you should only do anything gdk (and most of gtk too) if you have the lock |
| 16:15.00 | Stskeeps | shakes his head |
| 16:15.23 | Stskeeps | how can gdk compiling fail with.. gdk include file error |
| 16:15.30 | slonopotamus | why do we sign upload packages if 'dpkg-source: warning: could not verify signature on ./fakeroot_1.9.5maemo1.dsc since gpg isn't installed' |
| 16:15.40 | slonopotamus | ? |
| 16:15.43 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: that's a neat question |
| 16:16.13 | slonopotamus | :) this world is broken somehow |
| 16:16.21 | Khertan_n810 | because a tool need it |
| 16:16.52 | Khertan_n810 | i create a process in which i get event and update the StoreList |
| 16:17.30 | Khertan_n810 | each time user click on a button to see an other date i create an other process |
| 16:18.13 | Khertan_n810 | it s result in a storelist with wrong result in it if previous process wasn t ended |
| 16:18.37 | Khertan_n810 | so before creating process i create a new storelist |
| 16:19.03 | Khertan_n810 | but it seems old process still insert value in the new one |
| 16:19.18 | Khertan_n810 | is there some cache in treeview ? |
| 16:20.31 | Khertan_n810 | queue isn t an option it ll really slow navigation when switching month |
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| 16:22.49 | Khertan_n810 | hum my problem doen st seems to interest someone |
| 16:22.52 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 16:23.08 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 16:23.15 | slonopotamus | that's normal |
| 16:24.59 | Khertan_n810 | a simple way will be to kill process but it s not possible in python |
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| 16:34.17 | Khertan_n810 | ping |
| 16:35.23 | Stskeeps | pong |
| 16:35.30 | Mousey | RST |
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| 16:38.39 | qwerty12 | decides between aufs and unionfs 2.x |
| 16:39.42 | qwerty12 | just realised how exciting that sounds |
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| 16:40.02 | johnx | qwerty12, having a choice? |
| 16:40.22 | ccooke | qwerty12: well, which one? :-) |
| 16:40.54 | qwerty12 | johnx: deciding between aufs and unionfs :P. I compiled unionfs modules for the tablet last time so I'll go with aufs :) |
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| 16:41.26 | qwerty12 | ccooke: aufs :). Their page says unionfs 2.x copies stuff from aufs so I go with the authentic stuff :) |
| 16:41.27 | johnx | qwerty12, you'll have to tell me how it goes. I'm somewhat curious :) |
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| 16:42.12 | ccooke | qwerty12: Thought so :-) |
| 16:42.30 | ccooke | (it looks the more vibrant project) |
| 16:42.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what was the problem last time with unionfs? |
| 16:42.46 | Stskeeps | kernel needed recompile too? |
| 16:42.54 | qwerty12 | johnx: sure, I just got to wait for this diablo kernel to compile. I keep having a 37.5kb patch which I have to keep updating when new ssu is out :) |
| 16:43.05 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yep, I had to make the kernel export an extra symbol |
| 16:43.13 | johnx | qwerty12, gotta push those changes upstream :P |
| 16:43.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: is that such a problem to push a unionfs+rotated+etc kernel? |
| 16:44.07 | qwerty12 | johnx: It's just patches mainly by others. I think the only thing I've done is remove the EAC: play enabled, rec disabled messages because they were so annoying to me |
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| 16:44.22 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: No idea :P |
| 16:44.31 | johnx | ahaha |
| 16:44.55 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm going to try to compile maemo-gtk. |
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| 16:45.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, hmm... |
| 16:45.49 | cyrus__ | What is VDSO support? I am tyring to install the maemo SDK and it complains that I have to disable this |
| 16:46.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: well it is gtk2.12 based so |
| 16:46.16 | Stskeeps | it's usually gtkmm people complain about afaik |
| 16:46.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:49.57 | l7 | hello |
| 16:50.10 | l7 | anyone have opinions on who makes the best 16gb SDHC card? |
| 16:50.20 | l7 | trascend vs patriot vs adata? |
| 16:50.31 | GAN800 | Usually the answer is 'SanDisk' |
| 16:50.38 | l7 | i've heard adata cards are a little flimsy compared to patriot |
| 16:50.39 | l7 | hmm |
| 16:50.40 | cyrus__ | VDSO support in the kernel, anyone know what this is? |
| 16:50.57 | GAN800 | But they're also usually several orders of magnitude more expensive. |
| 16:50.59 | Stskeeps | cyrus__: there's a notice about it regarding ubuntu i thin |
| 16:50.59 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:51.26 | l7 | GAN800: yeah the sandisk 16gb is 65 bucks on newegg |
| 16:51.28 | GAN800 | I have Transcend cards and AData cards, I've never had an issue with either. |
| 16:51.33 | l7 | their compeititors are 30-40 |
| 16:51.35 | johnx | cyrus__, if you google VDSO maemo sdk you'll get a faster answer than here I think |
| 16:51.52 | GAN800 | I know other people who have had nothing but issues with both. |
| 16:51.56 | l7 | hmm |
| 16:51.59 | l7 | why is adata priced as the cheapest one at 30? |
| 16:52.03 | johnx | l7, my adata cards are not holding up so well |
| 16:52.07 | l7 | i have an adata and haven't had a problem with |
| 16:52.12 | l7 | johnx: what is wrong with them? |
| 16:52.15 | GAN800 | I'd just go with the newegg reviews for any particular card. |
| 16:52.25 | johnx | getting I/O errors when using them with ext2/3 |
| 16:52.33 | johnx | under normal use they're fine |
| 16:52.48 | johnx | normal = digital camera or music storage, formatted vfat |
| 16:53.01 | l7 | yeah, the newegg reviews for the adata transcend and patriot are all good, though there are a few dissenting voices |
| 16:53.19 | l7 | hmm |
| 16:54.21 | l7 | vfat = fat32? |
| 16:54.26 | johnx | yeah |
| 16:55.49 | l7 | i guess the n800 format function format SD media then |
| 16:56.07 | summatusmentis | hmm... is there still a market for n810s? |
| 16:56.34 | l7 | i guess the n800 format function format SD media as vfat then |
| 16:56.37 | l7 | bleh, editing |
| 16:57.08 | johnx | l7, correct. probably fat16 for <=2GB cards and fat32 for >=4GB cards |
| 16:57.57 | l7 | any idea why the adata cards have issues with ext2/3? |
| 16:58.20 | Stskeeps | summatusmentis: probably |
| 16:59.04 | l7 | i like the idea of using an SD card as a USB boot device |
| 16:59.08 | johnx | l7, I'm not sure if it has to do with the fs, or that they tend to have badblocks that only show up under heavier write usage |
| 16:59.45 | johnx | the fs thing could be a red herring when in fact they might not have many spare blocks reserved to cover failing blocks |
| 16:59.54 | johnx | ^conjecture^ |
| 17:00.07 | l7 | hmm there's some specs on the adata at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 it says it has the card has "Enhanced DSC function" |
| 17:01.03 | Stskeeps | Die Soon as i Can? |
| 17:01.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:01.12 | l7 | have you been able to use ext2/3 file systems on cards not made by adata? |
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| 17:01.35 | johnx | yeah, strangely the other offbrand I use "ALL-WAYS" seems to be fine |
| 17:01.48 | johnx | but I've had bad luck with PQI as well as an older lexar card |
| 17:01.52 | l7 | heh, which brand is it? |
| 17:02.06 | l7 | i suppose i'll do some tests on my old adata 8gb card later |
| 17:02.46 | johnx | I've also been swapping to my cards, I'm sure that's no good for them either |
| 17:03.03 | johnx | next time, maybe I'll try transcend |
| 17:04.07 | smackpotato | any hints on installing minigpsd. my gps-utils-tools is to high version |
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| 17:05.11 | Khertan_n810 | hi again |
| 17:05.13 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:05.29 | Khertan_n810 | still about threading in python ... |
| 17:05.58 | Khertan_n810 | creating 10 thread seems to freeze all the maemo ui |
| 17:05.59 | Khertan_n810 | is it normal ? |
| 17:06.47 | *** part/#maemo avs (n=avs@80-186-77-71.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 17:07.04 | Khertan_n810 | as i think there are some priorities set for maemo ui |
| 17:08.12 | Khertan_n810 | anyway i don t see anyway to set priority on python thread |
| 17:09.59 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... |
| 17:12.08 | l7 | johnx: have you tried patriot for ext2/3 yet? |
| 17:12.22 | johnx | l7, I haven't. only cheap cards :D |
| 17:12.32 | l7 | heh |
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| 17:12.35 | johnx | well, even cheaper than patriot I should say |
| 17:12.48 | l7 | patriot and trascend 16gbs are both about 40 |
| 17:13.09 | l7 | though i did see a deal last august where the patriot 16gb was $30 after rebates |
| 17:13.15 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: I ask because I'm not using mine enough, and I need a new iPod |
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| 17:13.36 | johnx | l7, prices depend on one's location :) |
| 17:13.46 | l7 | heh |
| 17:13.50 | l7 | fatwallet is a good source |
| 17:14.07 | johnx | summatusmentis, it looks like they're selling for reasonable rates still |
| 17:14.10 | l7 | though i guess if you are outside the US, it might be more expensive to pay for intl shipping on some deals |
| 17:14.34 | johnx | l7, exactly. shipping can quickly end up more expensive than the product shipped |
| 17:14.58 | summatusmentis | johnx: cool |
| 17:15.07 | Khertan_n810 | l7 > this is so high in france due to tax that it s still a good deal with high shipping price |
| 17:15.34 | Khertan_n810 | tax here is higher than the product itself |
| 17:15.47 | l7 | wow, VAT must be a killer |
| 17:16.04 | Khertan_n810 | (tax for piracy on all storage product) |
| 17:16.06 | l7 | though maybe when the euro was stronger vs the dollar, it might have been a sweeter deal |
| 17:16.14 | l7 | ouch |
| 17:16.18 | Khertan_n810 | (indexed for hard drive on Go capacity) |
| 17:16.32 | lcuk | afternoone Khertan_n810 |
| 17:16.35 | l7 | ah, that's a really stupid tax |
| 17:16.40 | Khertan_n810 | (but in Mo for sdcard as law haven t be updated) |
| 17:16.49 | l7 | nice way to hinder innovation |
| 17:16.52 | Khertan_n810 | hi lcuk |
| 17:17.23 | lcuk | tried threading in liqbase |
| 17:17.36 | Khertan_n810 | l7 : france / innovation ... do you not see the problem ? :) |
| 17:17.37 | lcuk | i took it out again almost instantly and found a better alternative |
| 17:17.42 | Khertan_n810 | lol lcuk |
| 17:17.51 | Khertan_n810 | i m threading mCalendar |
| 17:17.53 | l7 | Khertan_n810: :) |
| 17:18.00 | lcuk | good luck with that one Khertan_n810 |
| 17:18.17 | lcuk | where do you need threads for though? |
| 17:18.17 | qwerty12 | johnx: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/temp.png - Any ideas :D? I'm tempted to go with last option... |
| 17:18.23 | Khertan_n810 | and the pain at this time is founding way to prioritize thread |
| 17:18.23 | l7 | Khertan_n810: do other EU countries have lower taxes as far as VAT and media piracy tax? |
| 17:18.37 | Khertan_n810 | as python don t bother of priority in thread |
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| 17:19.02 | Khertan_n810 | l7 : yep, don t say it but many here bought media in germany :) |
| 17:19.10 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, what are you actually threading though, is it network connections or loading and rendering etc |
| 17:19.12 | johnx | qwerty12, well it is a higher number... What's the option about? branches of what? |
| 17:19.50 | Khertan_n810 | networking was already threaded |
| 17:19.57 | l7 | Khertan_n810: heh sweet |
| 17:20.02 | Khertan_n810 | but no i m threading all the other thing |
| 17:20.30 | Khertan_n810 | and separating ui and event management |
| 17:20.34 | Khertan_n810 | into a framework |
| 17:20.49 | qwerty12 | johnx: I think branches are unions in aufs - how much folders it will branch together maximum. I want to go with maximum but at the same time, I keep wondering why it's an option. Maybe allowing for more branches uses more memory? |
| 17:20.52 | Khertan_n810 | to be able to access data from other applications easily |
| 17:21.01 | lcuk | when i am loading sketches, i chose initially to load a sketch, render a frame, load a sketch, render frame. when i put the loading into its own thread it killed everything |
| 17:21.12 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 17:21.25 | lcuk | so i reverted to the old way and it works better |
| 17:21.38 | lcuk | and i can stop loading if i am busy :) just find something which works for you |
| 17:21.53 | Khertan_n810 | yep ... i freeze the maemo ui when around ten thread are running |
| 17:22.09 | johnx | qwerty12, yeah, it would be strange to make it a compile time option unless it affected performance. or maybe it's a safety feature to prevent users from using it for some kind of DoS attack on your server? |
| 17:22.15 | lcuk | it depends what the 10 threads are there for, it does sound like an awful lot |
| 17:23.00 | Khertan_n810 | 10 thread retrieving and parsing events in the sqlite database |
| 17:23.07 | l7 | hmm, has anyone had problems with the plastic on their SD card breaking or cracking? |
| 17:23.11 | l7 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=20-211-245&SortField=1&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=100&SelectedRating=-1&PurchaseMark=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&Page=1&Keywords=plastic&=1&=100 |
| 17:23.18 | lcuk | ahhh, all trying to access the main database |
| 17:23.31 | lcuk | all having their own concurrency and locking issues |
| 17:23.41 | Khertan_n810 | yep but in a read only way |
| 17:23.42 | lcuk | i dont think sqlite is thread safe either (I might be totally wrong) |
| 17:23.50 | Khertan_n810 | so no concurrency |
| 17:23.53 | lcuk | i remember something tohugh |
| 17:23.54 | qwerty12 | johnx: Hmm, I never thought of the second idea. I can't seem to find anything in it's README. I'll go with 32767 and see if I notice any adverse effects later :) |
| 17:24.00 | qwerty12 | s/it's/its |
| 17:24.05 | Khertan_n810 | not thread safe |
| 17:24.23 | Stskeeps | l7: no, but people have had their sd slot gooey and wet |
| 17:24.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:24.24 | Khertan_n810 | but openning and closing in a thread is sae |
| 17:25.00 | lcuk | but how do you know if one thread has not already opened it |
| 17:25.18 | l7 | Stskeeps: that makes no sense :p |
| 17:25.42 | Khertan_n810 | don t know ... but you can open several instance in read only |
| 17:26.08 | qwerty12 | l7: Not an sd card, but my cousin once had a fake 1gb memory stick pro duo in his psp and the card melted. He was *pissed* :p |
| 17:26.11 | Stskeeps | l7: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23001 |
| 17:26.18 | lcuk | khertan, you open and close the database lots? owuld you be better with a single gatekeeper process running which talks directly to the database, the other actors in your scene all talk to this one main DB connection |
| 17:26.55 | Stskeeps | l7: (best thread ever) |
| 17:27.23 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk ... yep but require a lot of coding |
| 17:27.54 | lcuk | heh yeah i know, have you tried it totally without threading initially |
| 17:28.12 | lcuk | l7, that thread is so good the only thing which could make it better is bacon |
| 17:28.50 | Khertan_n810 | nope ... a beer could do it also ... |
| 17:28.53 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:28.59 | l7 | haha |
| 17:29.03 | lcuk | only if its washing the bacon down |
| 17:29.12 | l7 | well i wonder if it's a blow capacitor or battery leak |
| 17:29.21 | Stskeeps | read it through for a surprise |
| 17:29.22 | lcuk | no, he left it in a damp place |
| 17:29.24 | l7 | still on page 2 |
| 17:29.30 | lcuk | we diagnosed it with him i believe |
| 17:29.39 | l7 | condensation? |
| 17:29.49 | lcuk | there was something (a banana i think) in a pocket and it went mouldy |
| 17:29.55 | l7 | i mean how wet was it? |
| 17:30.02 | l7 | oh gross |
| 17:30.07 | Stskeeps | a wet slot, how wet could it be? :P |
| 17:30.12 | l7 | haha |
| 17:30.19 | lcuk | I just found a rotting banana in the bottom of the big pocket of my backpack where I keep the tablet. It must have been there for days, maybe a week. What a ****ing tool I am! |
| 17:30.57 | l7 | well, it's good to know the n800 doesn't have too many capacitor or battery leaks |
| 17:30.57 | lcuk | it has bugs |
| 17:30.57 | l7 | ugh |
| 17:31.08 | lcuk | so that explains the moisture and the creatures |
| 17:31.08 | johnx | yeah, the n800 physical construction is terrifyingly solid |
| 17:31.11 | lcuk | compact and functional |
| 17:32.11 | l7 | hmm, i'm glad i got my n800 for like $200 before they went out of stock |
| 17:32.41 | l7 | the n810 is still priced at like $380? crazy |
| 17:33.48 | johnx | it was down to $300 for a while, but I think it's coming back up? |
| 17:34.21 | lcuk | probably the wimax thing |
| 17:34.32 | l7 | is wimax really worth it? |
| 17:34.44 | lcuk | wifi internet with cellphone coverage |
| 17:34.46 | johnx | l7, do you live in a city with wimax? |
| 17:35.31 | lcuk | depending upon usage and location it can be amazing, no more need to tether to a phone, simply use it |
| 17:35.34 | l7 | is there a list of cities that have wimax? |
| 17:35.42 | johnx | l7, not really |
| 17:35.50 | lcuk | l7, just keep your eye out locally |
| 17:36.00 | lcuk | ive got it here in manchester i believe |
| 17:36.07 | l7 | looks like pakistan has it |
| 17:36.14 | johnx | if yu live in a city with wimax i would say: definitely worth it. no wimax near you = not worth it |
| 17:36.53 | lcuk | lol johnx, you speak like a highly paid consultant |
| 17:37.08 | l7 | i don't really want to pay for wimax though :) |
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| 17:37.29 | lcuk | then dont get a wimax device :) some people value what it offers |
| 17:37.33 | johnx | l7, well, you answered your own question then :P |
| 17:37.42 | l7 | hmm it looks like sprint is rolling out wimax in the us |
| 17:38.36 | l7 | open access sounds nice though, $55 a month is rather pricey |
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| 17:39.05 | lcuk | wants devices charged up |
| 17:39.21 | lcuk | johnx, both were flat as a pancake this morning, and both were charged last night |
| 17:39.40 | johnx | lcuk, charge. them. overnight. :P |
| 17:39.49 | johnx | you sleep, they sleep, everyone wins |
| 17:40.12 | lcuk | only 1 charger lol, but i dont leave it charging overnight - the charger is near the computer and i dont trust the kids not to drop shit on em if i leave em out |
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| 17:40.50 | johnx | yeah, I end up pulling my charger and carrying it from computer to near bed when I want to read/surf in bed |
| 17:40.55 | qwerty12 | lcuk: 1 charger? what's your secret? |
| 17:41.17 | johnx | where's my bedside stand with contactless charger? and my flying car? |
| 17:41.26 | l7 | hmm, speaking of batteries, how do you guys get the n800 battery out? |
| 17:41.38 | qwerty12 | used a knife at the start |
| 17:41.39 | l7 | it seems to be jammed in there really tight |
| 17:41.48 | johnx | l7, at first I just stuck a credit card in there |
| 17:41.58 | johnx | now I can just smack the other side of the device and it comes out |
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| 17:42.43 | lcuk | johnx you rebel |
| 17:42.46 | l7 | eh, i'm rather afraid to smack the device |
| 17:42.49 | Stskeeps | l7: i use a flat screwdriver and pop at the bottom (away from the connector) |
| 17:42.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:43.08 | Stskeeps | .. at first i used stylus but it didn't work that well |
| 17:43.08 | l7 | i tried the screwdriver method near the connector |
| 17:43.13 | l7 | that was a mistake |
| 17:43.15 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:43.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:43.25 | l7 | it caused a sort of spark the battery went dead |
| 17:43.28 | lcuk | no1's screwing around with my device |
| 17:43.35 | l7 | but it recharged okay after a day |
| 17:43.39 | l7 | very strange |
| 17:43.44 | lcuk | on the 810 if you so much as touch the back panel it falls off and the battery follows it |
| 17:43.58 | l7 | sounds like a good thing |
| 17:44.08 | l7 | if the back panel stays on |
| 17:44.33 | l7 | you know, nokia should include one of those ribbons like those old AA battery powered devices |
| 17:44.40 | l7 | to make it easier to pull the battery out |
| 17:44.56 | johnx | you can make one with tape |
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| 17:45.01 | l7 | yeah |
| 17:45.09 | l7 | once you get the damned thing out ;) |
| 17:45.18 | l7 | i was thinking of dental floss |
| 17:45.36 | johnx | credit card you don't need, side opposite from the contact |
| 17:45.36 | RST38h | then you would miss the opportunity to pop the battery out with your tongue |
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| 17:45.47 | RST38h | and that would be a shame. too easy. |
| 17:45.50 | Stskeeps | mm. oral love with your tablet. |
| 17:45.58 | Stskeeps | we've already established it's female :P |
| 17:46.02 | lcuk | has an old nokia phone, the battery wont come out cos i superglued the fecker in there along with wires for my laser |
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| 17:47.12 | lcuk | hmmm |
| 17:47.51 | lcuk | hahah the laser still works - its had one charge and used to run out of its button batteries really quickly |
| 17:48.08 | lcuk | blinds everyone in the room |
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| 18:14.48 | RST38h | Greetings. |
| 18:14.48 | RST38h | Young sausage - Delicious Woman. |
| 18:14.54 | RST38h | Sincerely, Kathy Alexander. |
| 18:15.06 | RST38h | What the hell are they advertizing again? |
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| 18:15.14 | RST38h | qwerty |
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| 18:15.35 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h |
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| 18:15.47 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, hey, did you know someone is going around called qwerty15 on the pandora forums? |
| 18:16.16 | lardman | an imposter! |
| 18:16.31 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, lol, i know a qwerty123 :D. + i have qwerty12.exe... |
| 18:16.36 | qwerty12_N800 | hi lardman :) |
| 18:16.44 | lardman | hey qwerty12_N800 |
| 18:17.05 | aquatix | wjt: re |
| 18:17.32 | aquatix | and hi everybody else of course ;) |
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| 18:18.37 | qwerty12_N800 | quite likes the give statusbar bluetooth thing |
| 18:18.43 | qwerty12_N800 | hi aquatix |
| 18:18.53 | aquatix | hey qwerty12_N800 :) |
| 18:18.59 | Sargun_Screen | he lo |
| 18:19.03 | aquatix | ooh, there's a statusbar bluetooth thing? |
| 18:19.08 | Sargun_Screen | han dw r |
| 18:19.37 | Sargun_Screen | nmph |
| 18:19.56 | lcuk | i guess they havent fixed handwriting recognition yet |
| 18:20.13 | aquatix | obviously |
| 18:20.17 | Sargun_Screen | 7. |
| 18:20.22 | lcuk | has an algo for that in liqbase |
| 18:20.29 | Sargun_Screen | ? |
| 18:20.37 | lcuk | will develop it further soon |
| 18:20.57 | aquatix | handwriting recognition? neat |
| 18:21.11 | Sargun_Screen | Ve ry |
| 18:21.29 | aquatix | *g* |
| 18:22.10 | Sargun_Screen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.43 | derf | Online gesture recognition, or offline character matching? |
| 18:22.58 | aquatix | or catting of /dev/urandom |
| 18:23.02 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, http://www.matetelki.com/give/ - plays havoc with hildon-desktop though... it messes up text labels. i grabbed the source this morning and removed the locale code and now it works fine |
| 18:23.18 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: interesting |
| 18:24.03 | aquatix | hm, i like the theme in those screenshots |
| 18:24.51 | RST38h | qwerty: extras? =) |
| 18:25.56 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, it's not mine to shift :), plus it messes up hildon-desktop when you disable it :/ |
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| 18:27.12 | RST38h | umgh |
| 18:28.30 | lcuk | derf - was that directed at me |
| 18:28.39 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, btw, why upload emutools in non-free when you release source? :) |
| 18:29.04 | RST38h | qwerty: you should ask slonopotamus about that |
| 18:29.26 | qwerty12_N800 | qemu problems? :/ |
| 18:29.32 | RST38h | besides, they are not GPLed so not free in Richard Stallman definition :) |
| 18:29.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: that's an interesting app |
| 18:29.40 | RST38h | qwerty: yep |
| 18:30.03 | Stskeeps | ten bucks the guy ends up hired by nokia and we never see a open version again ;) |
| 18:30.14 | derf | lcuk: Yes. |
| 18:30.19 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, ahh :). it was more out of curiosity that i asked |
| 18:30.41 | lcuk | just stroke recognition at present, but it will grow with time |
| 18:31.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, lol, if u wanna try it, grab this deb: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=233128#post233128 |
| 18:31.06 | derf | So I assume you mean the former, then. |
| 18:31.16 | lcuk | im hoping to use the collection of sketches built in liqbase as customised personal dictionary :) |
| 18:31.23 | RST38h | Sts: Why do you need an open version if you do not intend to modify it? |
| 18:31.25 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:32.20 | derf | I do research in this field also, you see. |
| 18:32.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: for when developer gets run over by a bus and software underneath/API changes? |
| 18:32.36 | RST38h | ts: but you are till not modifying the code! |
| 18:33.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, you seem to have a fantasy of people getting run over by buses :p |
| 18:33.28 | lardman | derf: I've just checked out your qrcode, what's the status? |
| 18:33.35 | Stskeeps | *chant* information should be free! .. or something, really - i don't have a proper view on properitary vs open honestly |
| 18:33.40 | derf | lardman: It should build and run and decode things. |
| 18:33.55 | lardman | cool :) |
| 18:33.55 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, standard IT thing. always consider the "run over by bus scenario" |
| 18:33.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, like, when nokia gets run over by a bus |
| 18:34.01 | derf | The binarization part needs some work (it is slow and tends to over-thin dark regions). |
| 18:34.22 | Sargun_Screen | nokia getting run over by a bus would be bad |
| 18:34.42 | lardman | derf: does it run from the reader.c program? From a png? |
| 18:34.47 | derf | lardman: Yes. |
| 18:34.59 | derf | There should be a Makefile in the unix directory. |
| 18:35.20 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I see :), never come across it before. btw, i have an aufs.ko sitting on my computer. i'll upload it tommorow :) |
| 18:35.21 | lardman | derf: have you implemented the code to accept non-optimally aligned images? |
| 18:35.23 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, lol |
| 18:35.28 | derf | Aligned? |
| 18:35.41 | lardman | well the corners not being at right angles, etc. |
| 18:36.07 | derf | Yes... that would be most of the 4000 lines in qrdec.c. |
| 18:36.15 | lcuk | heh, cool derf :) in liqbase after every stroke is drawn it outputs the identified stroke code, its only normalized stroke laid over a simple grid but it appears to give consistent results for now |
| 18:36.35 | derf | lcuk: Ultimately you want to use a Hidden Markov Model. |
| 18:36.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: sounds good, "Would you like to use your SD as extended space for your Maemo" |
| 18:36.49 | lardman | derf: :) ok, just asking as I thought I'd borrow code to align images for the pdf417 code |
| 18:36.54 | derf | Because you're doing things online, you have a well-defined path for the 1-D optimization of an HMM to follow. |
| 18:37.18 | derf | lardman: It's very dependent on the finder patterns and other details of the QR code. |
| 18:37.27 | lardman | derf: ok |
| 18:37.51 | lcuk | derf, thanks for the tip :) then i dive back into it and am scratchin my head about it ill look more :) |
| 18:37.55 | derf | You can certainly pull out the code that actually does the projections, and there's some other geometry stuff that might be reusable. |
| 18:38.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, the nice thing is that i don't need to run a modified kernel with it. they do have a speed patch for aufs that is used with a patched kernel that can raise performance though |
| 18:38.22 | derf | But the part that actually estimates the transforms relies on being able to identify those patterns. |
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| 18:40.12 | derf | I assume for PDF417 you'd be trying to identify the quiet zone/start pattern and fit lines to the edges of the pattern. |
| 18:41.32 | lardman | basically yes that's my thought |
| 18:42.09 | derf | Not too difficult, but a lot harder to pick out the pattern with a lot of background clutter. |
| 18:42.38 | lardman | I thought a number of horizontal lines to establish if the pattern exists, then to establish the positioning of the ends, then work up those to the tops and work out the top & bottom |
| 18:44.21 | derf | Yeah, certainly a lot easier than the datamatrix one. |
| 18:44.47 | derf | I would want to handle a pattern in general position, not just approximately horizontal, but that's just me. |
| 18:44.48 | lardman | the wonders of 1.5D ;) |
| 18:45.12 | lardman | you mean for the initial search? |
| 18:45.22 | derf | It's not that datamatrix is 2D, it's that it has no equivalent for the start codes/finder patterns that you can search for in the image. |
| 18:45.25 | derf | lardman: Yes. |
| 18:46.11 | lardman | derf: Ideally one would perform arbitrary searches for the start bars, however quick is better than perfect, the user can just make sure he aligns it approximately |
| 18:47.29 | derf | Well, the ratios between segment lengths in the start codes should be somewhat insensitive to rotation. |
| 18:47.42 | derf | You just need to consider more than horizontal lines by themselves. |
| 18:48.17 | derf | qrdec starts with just horizontal+vertical, though I think it would be more robust with diagonal as well. |
| 18:48.27 | lardman | to the first point, exactly; the second - yes, but horizontal lines will establish the gradient of the end bars from which to work out the angle, etc. |
| 18:48.40 | lardman | ah I see |
| 18:48.59 | lardman | yes, certainly worth adding in as it shouldn't add much more overhead (he says) ;) |
| 18:49.06 | derf | lardman: Right... you'd probably be interested in the line fitting code in qrdec. |
| 18:49.25 | lardman | cool, will take a look |
| 18:49.55 | derf | Particularly the ransac bit, though you'll probably have to adapt that a bit, as its dependent on some internal data structures for convenience. |
| 18:50.45 | derf | And a lot of the stuff from the initial finder pattern search should carry over for your start code search, though I don't know if it's worth making fully general search code, or just keeping two similar but distinct routines. |
| 18:51.35 | lardman | probably worth keeping them separate, the extra code will be small and at least they can then be optimised for a given barcode type if needed |
| 18:51.52 | derf | Right. That's only a hundred lines or so, anyway. |
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| 19:07.06 | pupnik810 | hi! |
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| 19:07.16 | pupnik810 | :) |
| 19:07.41 | qwerty12_N800 | hi pupnik810 |
| 19:09.22 | pupnik810 | huhu! |
| 19:09.43 | pupnik810 | who here was from amsterdam? |
| 19:10.44 | solmumaha | evening pupnik810 |
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| 19:11.02 | pupnik810 | hi! |
| 19:11.41 | solmumaha | what are you doing there? |
| 19:11.50 | crashanddie_ | chatting, I guess |
| 19:12.14 | solmumaha | that much i understood |
| 19:12.23 | pupnik810 | hehe |
| 19:12.29 | pupnik810 | bike tour |
| 19:12.37 | pupnik810 | beautiful day |
| 19:13.14 | pupnik810 | hey i gotta dl maps for default navi prog |
| 19:13.23 | pupnik810 | where i do this? |
| 19:13.39 | zap | Interesting, I can see a driver called tlv320aic33, and it's built into the kernel |
| 19:13.53 | zap | but the mixer controls present inside it aren't visible via ALSA |
| 19:13.57 | zap | anybody knows why? |
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| 19:15.18 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, how are you checking from alsa? i think i know this one |
| 19:15.19 | zap | however, alsa sees a card called "OMAP24xx EAC with codec TLV320AIC33" but it has neither pcm or ctl devices on it |
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| 19:15.44 | zap | qwerty12_N800: sound/arm/omap/tlv320aic33.c |
| 19:16.20 | zakkm | Just curious, does maemo use ALSA for volume? |
| 19:16.53 | zap | maemo uses userland ALSA plugins |
| 19:17.00 | zap | which work through /dev/dsp/pcm3 |
| 19:17.45 | zap | the array aic33_controls has a lot of interesting mixer controls... never seen 'em in alsamixer... |
| 19:18.39 | zakkm | I was on this channel a few days ago and someone asked to change volume and alsamixer didnt work for them, so i was wondering if ALSA was really used. |
| 19:18.52 | zakkm | amixer didn't work either. |
| 19:19.09 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, k, i think i got it. n800 and n810 have a different touchscreen and TLV320AIC33 is in the n800 but not in n810 |
| 19:19.23 | zap | alsamixer -Ddefault will show a single 'master volume' slider |
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| 19:19.45 | zakkm | alsamixer didnt exist for the person. |
| 19:19.50 | zap | qwerty12_N800: seriously? Why the driver works on 810 then? |
| 19:20.05 | zakkm | Anyone know where i might be able to find a cheap used N800 for $150-170 ? |
| 19:20.09 | zap | zakkm: that does not matter, the 'default' ALSA device should be used, not hw:0 |
| 19:20.10 | zakkm | Toronto, Canada |
| 19:20.19 | zap | ebay? |
| 19:20.25 | zakkm | besides ebay |
| 19:20.31 | zakkm | store/ anyone selling? |
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| 19:20.59 | zakkm | zap: no like alsamixer didnt exist in /usr/bin ... |
| 19:21.09 | zakkm | "command not found" or w.e it says |
| 19:21.46 | zap | qwerty12_N800: arch/arm/mach-omap2/n800-audio.c |
| 19:21.53 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, i don't remember exactly but i remember seeing differences when i was porting n810 android touchscreen fix to n800 |
| 19:21.57 | zap | qwerty12_N800: but no n810-audio.c, so I presume audio is the same |
| 19:22.09 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, let me find the thread... |
| 19:23.12 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:wC3yU4zwHUEJ:www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D21719%26page%3D5+TLV320AIC33+qwerty12&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk |
| 19:24.48 | zap | hmm pretty neat, that mixer shot shows all those hidden controls |
| 19:24.54 | zap | I wonder why alsamixer does not see them... |
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| 19:28.22 | zap | hmm, TSC2301 mixer is implemented in drivers/spi/tsc2301-mixer.c |
| 19:30.38 | zap | board-n800-audio covers both TSC2301 and TLV320AIC33 chips... |
| 19:30.44 | moontiger | is getting *really* bored with the crappy response times of maemo.org |
| 19:31.57 | Stskeeps | moontiger: i've thought about making a service that brings up google cache instead from *.maemo.org :P |
| 19:33.42 | aalonso | Hi, do you now an alternative site to download the latest Diablo bin image... |
| 19:34.07 | Stskeeps | aalonso: if you got a windows machine the windows flasher gets it from somewhere else |
| 19:34.23 | aalonso | from nokia site the image download every time stops at 64% |
| 19:34.38 | moontiger | Stskeeps, hahaha that would be so much faster |
| 19:34.58 | moontiger | seriously tho ... it doesnt inspire much when a company like nokia cant even get a damn website working properly |
| 19:35.01 | aalonso | Im on a debian based machine |
| 19:35.21 | moontiger | aalonso, what image you trying to get? |
| 19:35.49 | aalonso | latest diablo release 4.2008.23-14 |
| 19:36.25 | moontiger | i prolly have it somewhere if you would like me to host it somewhere? |
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| 19:37.30 | aalonso | that would be great since I have a broken n810 :( that I need to re-flash |
| 19:37.43 | moontiger | give me 5 mins and i'll see what i can do ;) |
| 19:37.55 | aalonso | thanks... |
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| 19:38.06 | zakkm | cant you DCC send over irc? |
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| 19:38.35 | moontiger | let me see if i can find it |
| 19:38.45 | zakkm | whats the difference between diablo and chinook ? |
| 19:38.57 | kpel | diablo is a newer release |
| 19:39.28 | zakkm | is it new UI , builtin software or anything or is it just the seamless updater? |
| 19:39.42 | kpel | iirc chinook was less polished |
| 19:41.15 | kpel | (and less finger friendly) |
| 19:41.35 | zakkm | Also, sorry lol, is there any way to do Tablet to PC .. videochat besides aMSN and gizmo ? |
| 19:41.47 | kpel | skype |
| 19:42.06 | kpel | well no, i tell a lie |
| 19:42.24 | kpel | last time i tried skype video was not supported for my n800 |
| 19:42.29 | pupnik810 | where do i ger benelux maps for navi? |
| 19:42.38 | pupnik810 | running out of batt |
| 19:42.46 | pupnik810 | s/ger/get |
| 19:42.48 | zakkm | I was told you couldnt in skype the other day? |
| 19:42.58 | zakkm | i wouldnt mind using a older version of skype though? |
| 19:43.41 | kpel | zakkm: voice works. barely. i tried skype witha friend who had an eee pc. the tablet was struggling to cope with the load |
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| 19:44.12 | zakkm | My nokia 770 did voice chat in google talk thingy just fine, never tried skype though |
| 19:44.22 | zakkm | like many months ago |
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| 19:44.36 | zakkm | ... Moontiger .. it wasnt me who wanted |
| 19:44.49 | moontiger_ | crap |
| 19:44.50 | moontiger_ | sorry |
| 19:44.50 | zakkm | aalonso <-- wanted |
| 19:44.53 | moontiger_ | who was it |
| 19:44.56 | moontiger_ | oooops |
| 19:44.57 | moontiger_ | :) |
| 19:45.01 | zakkm | its okay, i'm just saying. |
| 19:45.34 | zakkm | I was just suggesting that DCC might be better than uploading/ downloading |
| 19:46.12 | moontiger_ | dunno depends on the upload spped i get thru my comcastic link |
| 19:46.22 | moontiger_ | aalonso, *tap tap tap* |
| 19:46.24 | kpel | thee problem is that dcc is a pain to support out-of-the-box if you are a router manufacturer |
| 19:46.42 | moontiger_ | if it sucks i can host on one of my servers |
| 19:46.50 | zakkm | Does Canola work well in diablo on n800? |
| 19:46.57 | zakkm | going through forum it looks like it doesnt work |
| 19:47.01 | aalonso | ?? |
| 19:47.04 | Stskeeps | rm_you: ta |
| 19:47.05 | moontiger_ | dcc |
| 19:47.10 | moontiger_ | diablo image |
| 19:47.12 | kpel | i tried to use it, it was slow, i gave up months ago |
| 19:47.13 | moontiger_ | accept :) |
| 19:47.30 | aalonso | how do I do it |
| 19:47.46 | moontiger_ | ummm click ok when it prompts you? |
| 19:48.12 | zakkm | aalonso: what irc client? |
| 19:48.48 | aalonso | I see the file transfer 0% |
| 19:48.52 | aalonso | X-chat |
| 19:49.10 | zakkm | dcc not working? ;p |
| 19:49.32 | moontiger_ | aalonso, im uploading it to my server ... give it a few mins and i'll give you the link ;) |
| 19:49.47 | zakkm | moontiger_: personal server or remote? |
| 19:50.06 | moontiger_ | its hosted out there on the intertubes ;) |
| 19:50.15 | aalonso | i just set ddc auto accept... thanks |
| 19:50.20 | zakkm | yeah but is it in your house or something? |
| 19:50.22 | zakkm | home connection? |
| 19:50.30 | moontiger_ | no its a commercial hosted server |
| 19:50.34 | zakkm | oh thats cool :) |
| 19:50.35 | moontiger_ | big fat pipe |
| 19:50.49 | moontiger_ | upload will take 8 mins more |
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| 19:51.28 | moontiger_ | zakkm, i do web stuff for a living mostly so i know what you were getting at |
| 19:51.50 | zakkm | really? cool. |
| 19:52.10 | moontiger_ | yah ... php / mysql / apache ... all that good stuff ... and i teach it part time |
| 19:52.19 | zakkm | tutoring? |
| 19:52.33 | moontiger_ | theres a college in downtown sf that i teach at |
| 19:52.42 | zakkm | cool :) |
| 19:53.00 | zakkm | i gave up on programming of all sorts. |
| 19:53.05 | moontiger_ | how come? |
| 19:53.14 | zakkm | dont have the math skills. |
| 19:53.27 | moontiger | doesnt always need math skills |
| 19:53.28 | zakkm | mysql is okay cause it doesnt confuse you too much |
| 19:53.35 | zakkm | its more basic in a sense. |
| 19:53.39 | moontiger | most people have trouble with databases |
| 19:53.48 | zakkm | but my school teaches like JAVA and stuff.. |
| 19:53.50 | zakkm | highschool |
| 19:53.52 | moontiger | designing them and implementing indexes and good queries |
| 19:54.12 | moontiger | you're at high school? |
| 19:54.22 | zakkm | yeah 12th grade. |
| 19:54.28 | moontiger | holy crap! |
| 19:54.30 | zakkm | surprised? |
| 19:54.31 | moontiger | feels old |
| 19:54.40 | zakkm | It's okay, i do it to alot of people. |
| 19:54.45 | moontiger | hehe |
| 19:55.05 | moontiger | whats 12th grade? im english so i dont get the grade stuff |
| 19:55.06 | zakkm | computer hobbyist.. but dont like programming/ no good at it. |
| 19:55.12 | zakkm | uhh |
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| 19:55.19 | zakkm | end of sixth form. |
| 19:55.25 | zakkm | last year of sixth form . i believe |
| 19:55.27 | moontiger | i mean how old are you in 12th grade |
| 19:55.40 | click170 | Is there a way to tell which repository a package upgrade is from? |
| 19:55.45 | zakkm | year 13.. i know it doesnt go up that high but thats how many years |
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| 19:55.50 | zakkm | 17/18/19 |
| 19:56.04 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh so not like 12 or something |
| 19:56.08 | zakkm | oh pfft |
| 19:56.10 | zakkm | of course not |
| 19:56.10 | moontiger | feels slightly less old now |
| 19:56.16 | zakkm | im 18 in march. |
| 19:56.22 | moontiger | heh cool |
| 19:56.32 | moontiger | what a great fukd up world you are coming into |
| 19:56.39 | zakkm | haha. |
| 19:56.53 | Stskeeps | the challenge is knowing how bad it is, before you turn 18, so you can prepare :P |
| 19:56.56 | zakkm | A friend of mine says to skip college, life wont last that long. |
| 19:57.08 | zakkm | lol |
| 19:57.09 | moontiger | that might not be so leftfield |
| 19:57.15 | moontiger | but i wouldnt skip college |
| 19:57.26 | moontiger | its great fun |
| 19:57.29 | moontiger | :) |
| 19:57.33 | zakkm | no, with the whole global warming, financial state of many countries currently.. |
| 19:57.38 | zakkm | etc etc |
| 19:57.49 | moontiger | yah i hear you |
| 19:57.58 | Stskeeps | definately prefers uni over highschool |
| 19:57.59 | moontiger | im leaving here soon ... heading back to europe and africa |
| 19:58.07 | kpel | uni ftw |
| 19:58.12 | zakkm | moontiger: where in the uk ? |
| 19:58.22 | moontiger | right now im in san francisco |
| 19:58.23 | pupnik810 | hehe mises.org called the crisis1 |
| 19:58.25 | moontiger | not uk |
| 19:58.27 | zakkm | uni, too expensive |
| 19:58.33 | zakkm | ah, said your english? so i figured uk |
| 19:58.38 | Stskeeps | uni, free tution in this country :> |
| 19:58.45 | Stskeeps | high taxes and student support, woop. :P |
| 19:58.45 | zakkm | ;o what country |
| 19:58.50 | moontiger | i was born in london and lived there for a while so im english |
| 19:58.51 | Stskeeps | .dk |
| 19:58.52 | kpel | zakkm: depends where you live. some countries offer free education |
| 19:59.05 | zakkm | yeah, damn countries |
| 19:59.08 | moontiger | i travel ... thats my thing |
| 19:59.13 | zakkm | most of them are third-world too.. i don't get it. |
| 19:59.22 | moontiger | laptop + internet connection = happy moontiger |
| 19:59.25 | zakkm | moontiger: ever been to toronto? |
| 19:59.28 | zakkm | canada that is. |
| 19:59.29 | click170 | Canada is not third world, and they offer free education :P |
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| 19:59.34 | zakkm | no they dont? |
| 19:59.40 | moontiger | zakkm, i know where it is but no i havent been there |
| 19:59.41 | zakkm | not uni / college level. |
| 19:59.47 | click170 | Ah, nm |
| 19:59.52 | zakkm | I live in Toronto, Canada |
| 19:59.56 | click170 | Vancouver |
| 19:59.58 | moontiger | gets cold there |
| 20:00.03 | click170 | We should start a petition for free uni and college |
| 20:00.07 | moontiger | i will be going to vancouver next year |
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| 20:00.15 | zakkm | I KNOW its not free.. thats why im worrying about next year when im supposed to start college/uni |
| 20:00.17 | moontiger | i spend a lot of time in seattle too |
| 20:00.27 | zakkm | click170: good luck with that :) |
| 20:00.41 | kpel | Greece is not third world either and uni is free |
| 20:00.44 | moontiger | brb need to make a cup of tea |
| 20:01.00 | zakkm | Nah well, Ontario does you money for college/uni .. ( nondebt. free money ) |
| 20:01.02 | click170 | I'm moving to Greece now that I know they have free uni |
| 20:01.05 | zakkm | so it helps.. but its no where near fully paid |
| 20:01.19 | zakkm | click170: the degree you get wont matter though :) |
| 20:01.21 | zakkm | if you move :P |
| 20:01.30 | kpel | zakkm: depends. |
| 20:01.44 | zakkm | i just mean you cant pick a country cause it has free uni :) |
| 20:01.56 | zakkm | just go there for uni cause its free. |
| 20:02.02 | click170 | Am I supposed to look for free uni and free healthcare? |
| 20:02.03 | click170 | lol |
| 20:02.15 | zakkm | does any country do both? |
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| 20:02.21 | Stskeeps | .dk :P atleast mostly |
| 20:02.24 | Stskeeps | dental not covered |
| 20:02.28 | zakkm | .dk = ? |
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| 20:02.31 | Stskeeps | denmark |
| 20:02.34 | zakkm | ah, cool. |
| 20:02.35 | moontiger | zakkm, uk does |
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| 20:02.42 | zakkm | uk doesnt have free uni ? does it? |
| 20:02.43 | click170 | uk has free schooling? |
| 20:02.46 | Stskeeps | flag usually seen burnt by muslims |
| 20:02.49 | moontiger | afaik |
| 20:02.54 | kpel | also greece, france, and of course cuba |
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| 20:03.02 | kpel | really good doctors there |
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| 20:03.13 | zakkm | I know theres free health care ( family frm england.. ) but yeah im not that sure uni is free.. |
| 20:03.20 | moontiger | aalonso, a couple minutes more then i give u the link ;) |
| 20:03.21 | zakkm | France sucks to live. :P |
| 20:03.30 | kpel | zakkm: why? |
| 20:03.40 | zakkm | I'm told its a terrible place to live. |
| 20:03.48 | aalonso | moontiger: thanks |
| 20:03.57 | zakkm | good for visiting.. terrible for living |
| 20:03.58 | kpel | were you told about france or about paris? |
| 20:04.02 | zakkm | France. |
| 20:04.22 | RST38h | free university and free healthcare? Cuba. Or North Korea. |
| 20:04.24 | kpel | the south of france(blue coast) is quite nice. |
| 20:04.34 | click170 | I wouldn't say France sucks to live there unless you've travelled there |
| 20:04.39 | zakkm | A country you can't visit .. doesn't count. lol |
| 20:04.43 | click170 | Theres a lot of negative hype that I think is unjustified |
| 20:05.14 | zakkm | north korea -.- |
| 20:05.25 | moontiger_ | aalonso, you ready? |
| 20:05.31 | zakkm | The Lost City of Atlantis :O |
| 20:05.39 | aalonso | yep |
| 20:06.04 | zakkm | Just curious, Is ITT funded somehow? |
| 20:06.18 | lcuk | could I ask people to install the latest liqbase .deb and see whether they encounter graphical glitches, it appears a few people are getting them on first run, but then not able to reproduce. http://liqbase.net/ |
| 20:06.23 | moontiger_ | http://gagfoot.com/RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PRCOMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:06.27 | moontiger_ | i think i got that right |
| 20:06.33 | moontiger_ | save as and you're good to go |
| 20:06.58 | zakkm | Lcuk: unforunately dont have a tablet at the moment ( looking to buy another ) so i can't. |
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| 20:07.05 | moontiger_ | http://gagfoot.com/RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:07.09 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i'll test, i was getting purple glitches :) |
| 20:07.10 | Stskeeps | zakkm: well they have ads so |
| 20:07.12 | moontiger_ | fuk i missed an underscore sorry |
| 20:07.22 | Stskeeps | zakkm: it must run around somehow |
| 20:07.22 | lcuk | lol zakkm, you still looking :P |
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| 20:07.47 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, i can has glitches as well :D were they reproducable - ie can you start the app and get them again now? |
| 20:08.11 | moontiger_ | aalonso, 2nd link yes? |
| 20:08.14 | aalonso | moontiger: I start downloading |
| 20:08.18 | moontiger_ | awesome |
| 20:08.20 | moontiger_ | :) |
| 20:08.39 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, lol, i still have 0.0.4 if you want me to test with that or should i get 0.0.6 1st? |
| 20:08.54 | lcuk | try the one you have - ive not changed anything related to glitches |
| 20:09.23 | zakkm | sorry, left |
| 20:09.24 | lcuk | because its not reproducable by even the people that report them beyond first run its a bit odd |
| 20:09.35 | zakkm | Of course im still looking.. i emailed this guy off craigslist, wanted $170 |
| 20:09.38 | moontiger | sips tea |
| 20:09.41 | zakkm | i'm like ill buy it.. person said sold out -.- |
| 20:09.53 | zakkm | (yesterday) |
| 20:09.59 | lcuk | im starting to think its something like the "updating" list thing from application manager - or something along those lines |
| 20:10.03 | Stskeeps | prices may drop now n810w is out though :P |
| 20:10.05 | moontiger | zakkm, what u trying to buy? |
| 20:10.12 | zakkm | lcuk: if it doesnt reproduce, does it relaly matter? |
| 20:10.17 | zakkm | moontiger: N800 |
| 20:10.22 | moontiger | from craigslist? |
| 20:10.23 | zakkm | used. |
| 20:10.24 | lcuk | zakkm, yeah it does actually |
| 20:10.24 | zakkm | yes |
| 20:10.31 | lcuk | i wanna know how many people are effected |
| 20:10.33 | zakkm | moontiger: im in toronto,on .. theres many postings |
| 20:10.36 | moontiger | craigslist is full of flakes |
| 20:10.51 | lcuk | it upsets the karma - liqbase is smooth and cool and it fecks up for people and ruins their experience |
| 20:10.53 | zakkm | I use craigslist all the time. |
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| 20:11.02 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, can't reproduce it :/ |
| 20:11.06 | zakkm | My Headphones - $10 .. nice big headphones.. works wonders |
| 20:11.06 | moontiger | i do too but the flakes are getting worse and *really* annoying |
| 20:11.08 | lcuk | heh, didnt think so |
| 20:11.17 | zakkm | what is liqbase ? |
| 20:11.18 | lcuk | would you grab the latest 0.0.6 from liqbase.net and see |
| 20:11.32 | lcuk | zakkm, look on liqbase.net for a youtube vid |
| 20:11.37 | zakkm | never heard of liqbase package |
| 20:11.55 | zakkm | haha its you? |
| 20:11.55 | lcuk | thats cos its not been packaged before about 2 weeks ago |
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| 20:12.28 | zakkm | lcukmaemo <-- youtube = you? |
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| 20:12.32 | lcuk | yes |
| 20:12.40 | zakkm | british accent? |
| 20:12.43 | lcuk | since i am lcuk and i am a part of maemo.. |
| 20:12.44 | moontiger | hehe |
| 20:12.53 | lcuk | northern accent more lik |
| 20:13.02 | zakkm | so its for document reading? |
| 20:14.00 | lcuk | no, its for a lot of things :) |
| 20:14.07 | lcuk | its my short term meory |
| 20:14.22 | lcuk | and longer term meory - and designer and plaything |
| 20:14.35 | zakkm | hah thats so cool |
| 20:14.40 | lcuk | and i want to build a full designable ui one day :) |
| 20:14.41 | zakkm | Would it work on n800 well ? |
| 20:14.46 | moontiger | aalonso, you getting it ok? |
| 20:14.52 | lcuk | well you might have glitches on first run, but yeah |
| 20:15.00 | zakkm | haha i dont mind. |
| 20:15.06 | zakkm | I'm a nightly kind of person. |
| 20:15.07 | aalonso | moontiger, yes I about to re-flash |
| 20:15.10 | zakkm | I'm used to many bugs |
| 20:15.10 | lcuk | gets sick of drawing the screens he then has to code - so im gonna make them live |
| 20:15.13 | moontiger | ok cool |
| 20:15.26 | lcuk | moontiger, would you test it please :$ |
| 20:15.30 | moontiger | interesting idea lcuk |
| 20:15.42 | moontiger | i did ... is there a new version? |
| 20:15.50 | lcuk | did you encounter glitches? |
| 20:16.02 | moontiger | not that i noticed no ... flawless afaik |
| 20:16.13 | lcuk | errr not really tonnes of new stuff, ive been doing mainly background work and seeing if i can get some sort of multitouch thing working |
| 20:16.25 | moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhh i can try the new version for sure |
| 20:16.32 | lcuk | the new stuff will come back once ive finished ironing out this bug and actually start work again |
| 20:16.38 | zakkm | ooo will a flashdrive work on the nokia ? |
| 20:16.46 | moontiger | dont you need hardware support for multi-touch? |
| 20:16.52 | lcuk | yes if its under 100ma - or if you use a powered hub |
| 20:16.55 | pupnik810 | i am idiot -- in wayfinder click 'maps' :) benelux installed |
| 20:17.01 | zakkm | sick :P |
| 20:17.01 | lcuk | moontiger, see for yourself |
| 20:17.08 | moontiger | smiles |
| 20:17.17 | zakkm | I dont know the n800 but is all i need is the n800 and the flashdrive.. or is some small connector required? |
| 20:17.18 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=233054&postcount=144 |
| 20:17.22 | zakkm | if its under 100ma that is |
| 20:17.32 | Stskeeps | zakkm: you're off better with a sd often |
| 20:17.48 | lcuk | zakkm, if you have decided to get 800 just use normal cards |
| 20:17.51 | zakkm | yes but i know many ppl in school with flash drives because of the work itself. |
| 20:18.03 | zakkm | So for me being able to put it in.. and view documents/ videos on the nokia would be nice |
| 20:18.06 | Stskeeps | lcuk: instant graphical glitchh |
| 20:18.10 | lcuk | moontiger, the link i just posted explains my thinking about multitouch |
| 20:18.17 | zakkm | yes i would use SD for myself, but for other people i mean. |
| 20:18.18 | pupnik810 | hi lcuk! |
| 20:18.28 | lcuk | hiya pupnik810 ! :D hows it hanging |
| 20:18.35 | lcuk | Stskeeps, oh no, come out and go back in |
| 20:18.46 | Stskeeps | lcuk: happens already in username :P |
| 20:18.46 | lcuk | is formulating a plan: start liqbase and make it restart itself ;) |
| 20:18.49 | zakkm | This might sound weird, but how well does GIMP perform on n800 ? |
| 20:19.00 | Stskeeps | lcuk: didn't use liqbase on maemo before |
| 20:19.09 | lcuk | ahhh what did you try it on |
| 20:19.11 | Stskeeps | lcuk: works after restart |
| 20:19.12 | zakkm | lcuk: can't you just remove all the temp files.. and make it reproduce the glitch? |
| 20:19.13 | Stskeeps | deblet initially |
| 20:19.16 | Stskeeps | then maemo now |
| 20:19.18 | zakkm | so its like starting it for first time? |
| 20:19.23 | Stskeeps | where first install messed up |
| 20:19.24 | lcuk | zakkm i just tried that multiple times |
| 20:19.29 | zakkm | oh |
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| 20:19.59 | lcuk | zakkm, i have reproduced this once on my own device on firstrun |
| 20:20.11 | lcuk | i have had graphical glitches very very occasionally a long time ago |
| 20:20.19 | lcuk | but i think those were different to this |
| 20:20.33 | Stskeeps | lcuk: mine was firstrun as well |
| 20:20.49 | lcuk | Stskeeps, so is it fine now/ |
| 20:20.51 | aalonso | my n810 is working again :) |
| 20:21.07 | zakkm | lcuk: did you create liqbase or are you porting it? |
| 20:21.17 | lcuk | 100% native on the device (even compiling on it) |
| 20:21.18 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah |
| 20:21.30 | lcuk | hmmm then |
| 20:22.03 | zakkm | ah, wish i could afford a n810 |
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| 20:22.08 | lcuk | zakkm, actually i tell a lie, i started in vmware scratchbox but got annoyed, so i installed gcc on device and have used it ever since |
| 20:22.21 | zakkm | haha |
| 20:22.23 | lcuk | i dont code most of the time with it lol - i use ssh |
| 20:22.48 | zakkm | what is it coded in? |
| 20:22.55 | lcuk | though the graffiti wall is a child of the dev centre at linuxtag :) |
| 20:22.56 | lcuk | c |
| 20:24.46 | zakkm | i know this sounds really weird and probably very stupid but you know like clustering right? to give instructions to another PC.. |
| 20:24.53 | Stskeeps | lcuk: your multitouch stuff might actually work |
| 20:24.54 | zakkm | i think its called clustering |
| 20:24.58 | zakkm | in mac its xgrid ? |
| 20:25.07 | zakkm | Would that technically work on the N800? |
| 20:26.19 | lcuk | should do yeah |
| 20:26.28 | lcuk | Stskeeps, :) it works well enough as proof of concept |
| 20:26.40 | moontiger | zakkm, if you wrote a client that took work loads and shared them out it would work for sure |
| 20:26.59 | zakkm | like use an pc/server.. to make your n800 faster. |
| 20:27.08 | moontiger | lcuk, can u actually detect multiple touches o the screen? |
| 20:27.16 | moontiger | i didnt think the hardware reported them |
| 20:27.18 | Stskeeps | it's a neat approximation |
| 20:28.18 | Stskeeps | lcuk: what kind of algo do you use for it? |
| 20:28.24 | lcuk | no moontiger, i fake it - if you press and hold with your thumb, then touch with your finger the cursor jumps to centre midpoint between thumb and finger. oh, just read the notes i put a minute ago |
| 20:28.45 | lcuk | Stskeeps, just a simple one, but its been rolling around my head for a while |
| 20:29.03 | moontiger | i did read them |
| 20:29.08 | pupnik810 | hahaha wayfinder doesnt check free space when sling map |
| 20:29.11 | pupnik810 | dling |
| 20:29.23 | pupnik810 | owch |
| 20:29.37 | lcuk | pupnik810, least of troubles, if you are on 810 and it fills the mmc2 then you are screwed unless you have repaired it previously |
| 20:29.39 | moontiger | lcuk, so thats a "glitch" in the hardware that you're taking advantage of? |
| 20:29.45 | Stskeeps | lcuk: why do i think of on screen keyboard? |
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| 20:29.52 | Stskeeps | hold down shift, press other buttons |
| 20:29.53 | lcuk | no, the hardware simply returns the average |
| 20:30.12 | moontiger | and the average in this case is the mid-point |
| 20:30.15 | lcuk | if you know there is a single fixed point you can then take the average into account and use your other finger |
| 20:30.26 | pupnik810 | lcuk, oooops! |
| 20:30.27 | moontiger | wow thats a neat trick!! |
| 20:30.51 | lcuk | yes it is - pupnik810 remember the multitouch thing i tried to explain at linuxtag |
| 20:31.01 | lcuk | well ^^^ i implemented it and it seems to work ;0 |
| 20:31.10 | pupnik810 | coolll |
| 20:31.15 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i think you might be able to expand on this, maybe filter probabilities of thumb moving and stuff :P |
| 20:31.27 | zakkm | you all went to linuxtag? |
| 20:31.35 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, you've made darius jack happy |
| 20:31.52 | lcuk | yes, and sts i need to make sure i dont try to JUMP! when i have already detected a single moving finger |
| 20:31.53 | moontiger | Stskeeps, or maybe note the original (thumb) position and lock it and only look for the other touch changing? |
| 20:32.02 | Stskeeps | perhaps |
| 20:32.08 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, feck off lol - i tried to explain these things to him but he didnt listen |
| 20:32.18 | Stskeeps | there's definately some algorithmic possibilities |
| 20:32.23 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, lol :p |
| 20:32.30 | Stskeeps | lcuk: better make a patent ;P |
| 20:32.47 | lcuk | moontiger, it does that, once it detects the cursor has jumped beyond a certain radius, it moves into flickermode - this has thumb and finger positions and tries to keep them working |
| 20:32.59 | lcuk | sod the patent :) i just want some security |
| 20:33.05 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, no software patents in europe!!! |
| 20:33.13 | qwerty12_N800 | oops, stskeeps |
| 20:33.17 | lcuk | its open source and i want all this to be used |
| 20:33.17 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 20:33.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: if it has to do with hardware interfacing.. |
| 20:33.28 | derf | qwerty12_N800: You don't actually believe that fantasy, do you? |
| 20:33.32 | lcuk | the more this device is used and the more we can do with it the better it will become |
| 20:33.40 | lcuk | this is why im so flucked off with the glitches |
| 20:33.46 | Stskeeps | lcuk: there's possibilities for maybe using a bayesian model for calculating probabilities this value is useful |
| 20:33.49 | qwerty12_N800 | derf, nope, just felt like saying it :p |
| 20:34.06 | lcuk | Stskeeps, keep thinking please :) i have only just started an idea |
| 20:34.41 | lcuk | derf! you would be an ideal person to examine what ive started |
| 20:34.52 | lcuk | would you install liqbase and try to be amazed at the multitouch thing |
| 20:35.16 | lcuk | see here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=233054&postcount=144 |
| 20:35.21 | derf | I would if my tablet was not plugged into a wall 25 miles away. |
| 20:35.22 | lcuk | and liqbase.net for the package :) |
| 20:35.36 | lcuk | damn technicalities! |
| 20:36.14 | lcuk | (and if people like what im doing, please thank me up in the forum ;) im a bit of a karma whore) |
| 20:36.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 20:36.55 | qwerty12_N800 | points @ Stskeeps :p |
| 20:36.57 | GAN800 | lcuk iz newb whore. |
| 20:37.05 | lcuk | of course gan :D |
| 20:37.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it's mainly because that's how i work. if people appreciate my work, i know which directions to go in and it strokes my ego enough to keep working on it |
| 20:37.34 | lcuk | im feelin a bit down about the glitches and need cheerin up ;) |
| 20:37.37 | Stskeeps | else i get bored |
| 20:37.37 | GAN800 | I could give you about 200 of mine and still be out in fron of Benson. |
| 20:37.47 | lcuk | lol |
| 20:37.57 | Stskeeps | lcuk: my screen protector is full of fingerprints now :P |
| 20:38.03 | lcuk | look theres the proper karma whore - knowing whos behind him in the race ;) |
| 20:38.12 | moontiger | goes to install the latest |
| 20:38.22 | lcuk | awwww Stskeeps i use liqbase so much ive knackered the screen - it doesnt work with fingers any more |
| 20:38.23 | GAN800 | iz pro |
| 20:38.28 | lcuk | N2 has to be used for that testing |
| 20:38.49 | pupnik810 | so heh |
| 20:39.14 | pupnik810 | lcuk eager for faster tablet now? |
| 20:39.35 | GAN800 | I'm so happy soft poweroff is finally working again. |
| 20:39.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i know, i'm joking. i like being thanked, it makes me feel happy that someone appricated something i done. plus, i'm not a prick when it comes to pressing the thanks button :) |
| 20:39.41 | lcuk | pupnik810, not really, it does what i want as fast as i want it - the only thing i see changing when i get the new one is being able to code in c++ |
| 20:39.46 | pupnik810 | best nickname seen in weeks - dholbert :) |
| 20:39.58 | pupnik810 | hmm re-write? |
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| 20:40.27 | lcuk | expansion - i get frustrated with all the boilerplate i need for basic operations (mainly string handling) |
| 20:40.37 | pupnik810 | mhm |
| 20:40.50 | moontiger | lcuk how do i play with the multi-touch? |
| 20:40.52 | lcuk | so its either write my own compiler (not the first time..) or wait until i get c++ working fast enough |
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| 20:41.00 | lcuk | options/multitouch test |
| 20:41.12 | lcuk | its really nothing special, just indicating what its detected |
| 20:41.23 | GAN800 | By the way, pupnik, who do you want me to convince to package up all of your awesome for Extras? |
| 20:41.44 | moontiger | holy crap thats cool :) |
| 20:41.49 | Stskeeps | lcuk: maybe using dsp / modelling multitouch as a optimization problem? |
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| 20:42.03 | moontiger | is memo 5 going to support c++ natively? |
| 20:42.14 | moontiger | maemo 5 too |
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| 20:42.20 | Stskeeps | maemo already supports c++? :P |
| 20:42.22 | pupnik810 | GAN800, dunno - ill push out a new batch of releases now |
| 20:42.33 | moontiger | yah i know it does but with a huge assed bunch of libs |
| 20:42.42 | lcuk | Stskeeps, theres plenty of grunt in the cpu to model it correctly, all i am doing is selecting a breakpoint for the stroke - the first N points are the starting thumb, then everything after is halfway to the finger, it is then filtered |
| 20:42.44 | Stskeeps | true |
| 20:43.00 | lcuk | Stskeeps, yeah it does, its just slow to compile |
| 20:43.00 | Stskeeps | lcuk: just putting ideas out there |
| 20:43.08 | lcuk | its beyond my frustration threshhold |
| 20:43.32 | Stskeeps | consider distcc'ing to a desktop with same gcc version, from codesourcery? |
| 20:43.39 | moontiger | i think im going to have to go out to the park for a bit ... the weather here is gorgeous and sunny and warm :) |
| 20:44.15 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i do main coding from a desktop already, but its windows - ive got vmware available to do the grunt but i hate actually editing within vmware |
| 20:44.22 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:44.30 | lcuk | so i edit using komodo edit directly in windows and winscp for file transfer |
| 20:44.32 | moontiger | lcuk, why dont you install linux? |
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| 20:44.43 | lcuk | partly cos its slow |
| 20:44.54 | moontiger | errrrrrrrrrr linux is slow? |
| 20:45.00 | lcuk | partly because things dont quite work as i want them to |
| 20:45.26 | Stskeeps | btw, lcuk: any idea what echo 2 > /sys/devices/platform/dsp/state does? |
| 20:45.31 | Stskeeps | (saw multimediad do it |
| 20:45.46 | lcuk | yes moontiger ive got a VERY optimized system here - linux appears to give me lots of very small but annoying glitches, ive never spent enough time sorting them - windows works for me, dont try to change me |
| 20:46.03 | moontiger | wow ... windows xp i assume? |
| 20:46.10 | lcuk | yeah |
| 20:46.15 | Stskeeps | uses xp as well |
| 20:46.21 | Stskeeps | linux when i have to |
| 20:46.24 | moontiger | hmmmmmmmm i find my linux runs faster than even xp |
| 20:46.33 | Stskeeps | different tools for different jobs |
| 20:46.36 | moontiger | right |
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| 20:46.38 | glass_ | depends what you run |
| 20:46.44 | moontiger | i only use windows for windows dev work |
| 20:46.45 | zakkm | Mac is the best :) ( Runs on Mac ) |
| 20:46.46 | lcuk | xp with all the funky crap is slow as well - i keep ontop of whats needed and it runs wel |
| 20:46.57 | qwerty12_N800 | uses vista (upgraded from xp) + linux |
| 20:46.59 | lcuk | dev work in windows - .net? |
| 20:47.16 | moontiger | mfc / atl / some .net ... desktop and mobile |
| 20:47.17 | lcuk | eugh qwerty12_N800 thats worse than a livecd version of linux on a 128mb computer |
| 20:47.33 | lcuk | visual studio editor is sluggish as hell |
| 20:47.35 | zakkm | livecd on any system is bad :P |
| 20:47.38 | moontiger | i have a vista dual boot machine |
| 20:47.38 | lcuk | i refused to work in it |
| 20:47.45 | moontiger | it really is bad |
| 20:47.51 | moontiger | even if you try to like it |
| 20:48.01 | zakkm | anyone here like Mac OSX? |
| 20:48.06 | glass_ | zakkm: i hate it |
| 20:48.08 | moontiger | not really zakkm |
| 20:48.21 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it was, but then i got to optimising it and then pimping my desktop aka making it slower and it's ok for me :p |
| 20:48.22 | moontiger | nice hardware ... not so nice os |
| 20:48.26 | lcuk | zakkm, dont dislike it, but also dont know enough to have a real impression |
| 20:48.29 | glass_ | zakkm: also apples hw quality is crap and they market it with lies so.. |
| 20:48.40 | zakkm | with lies? |
| 20:48.52 | zakkm | glass_: with lies? |
| 20:48.59 | moontiger | i have an ipod nano 3g ... works great with linux |
| 20:49.12 | zakkm | Ipodlinux? |
| 20:49.13 | moontiger | thats the only apple stuff i will own and that was a gift |
| 20:49.13 | glass_ | they always overpuff the performances. like sayinga a radeon 9200 is a fast card(it never was, not even as new) |
| 20:49.15 | zakkm | they still work on that? |
| 20:49.18 | glass_ | i got an ipod |
| 20:49.23 | glass_ | 160gb |
| 20:49.24 | moontiger | libgpod + gtkpod |
| 20:49.31 | glass_ | the user interface is crap for 80gb of music |
| 20:49.38 | glass_ | also it locks up randomly |
| 20:49.42 | moontiger | what does? |
| 20:49.47 | zakkm | rockbox is a nice alternative firmware. |
| 20:49.59 | glass_ | also apple is very closed garden, which i dislike to the max |
| 20:50.14 | zakkm | microsoft is worse :P |
| 20:50.17 | glass_ | no it isn't |
| 20:50.18 | moontiger | thats my issue too glass ... plus steve jobs makes me want to vomit |
| 20:50.22 | zakkm | yes it is |
| 20:50.29 | glass_ | zakkm: i don't need to sign an nda with ms to develope for windows mobile |
| 20:50.43 | moontiger | and winmo is open for any apps to be installed |
| 20:50.54 | glass_ | zakkm: etc etc.. apple is the closed garden king, have fun buying your 'certified' software in couple of years from itunes |
| 20:51.04 | zakkm | haha |
| 20:51.07 | zakkm | i run mac x86. |
| 20:51.25 | zakkm | got the sick atom motherboard :P |
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| 20:52.07 | glass_ | almost everyone i know with a macbook has had it sent back at least once |
| 20:52.31 | moontiger | its funny seeing so many macbook pros at the ms campus |
| 20:52.37 | moontiger | and iphones / ipods |
| 20:52.46 | moontiger | thats the only time i appreciate apple |
| 20:52.47 | yacoob | i'd say ipod's interface is pretty good, but oh well. To each his own. |
| 20:52.59 | glass_ | yacoob: it's ok, for couple of gigs of music |
| 20:53.07 | glass_ | yacoob: but for 80+.. |
| 20:53.12 | yacoob | glass_, ok, what's wrong with it? |
| 20:53.21 | glass_ | yacoob: finding specific songs |
| 20:53.27 | yacoob | (I'm dealing with ~30GB) |
| 20:53.27 | moontiger | glass_, i have never understood keeping that much music on a portable device |
| 20:53.34 | moontiger | you cant possibly listen to it all |
| 20:53.42 | moontiger | you would die of old age first |
| 20:53.43 | glass_ | moontiger: it's the entire music collection that i listen to |
| 20:53.44 | yacoob | moontiger, one word: extra backup :) |
| 20:53.50 | glass_ | moontiger: i keep it on shuffle most of the time |
| 20:53.53 | zakkm | is buying nokia n800 to use as a music device too . .on a 2GB sd card. |
| 20:54.08 | glass_ | moontiger: and i have every friggin song i got at home on the move too, if at some party or whatever |
| 20:54.26 | glass_ | moontiger: of course the extra free space helps with sneaker-warezing |
| 20:54.26 | Stskeeps | would really prefer a sync that took last.fm information, combined with my mp3 collection, and sync likely listening music before i head to work |
| 20:54.46 | moontiger | glass_, ok i get it .... for me an 8gb nano is heaps |
| 20:54.53 | moontiger | 2 oe 3 days of music |
| 20:55.01 | moontiger | oe = or |
| 20:55.16 | yacoob | moontiger, I, for one, am too lazy to change the contents :) |
| 20:55.23 | moontiger | hahaha |
| 20:55.23 | glass_ | moontiger: yeah but what if you get the feeling to listen to beatles |
| 20:55.25 | pupnik810 | yeah but random play needs a minsize to feel properly random |
| 20:55.34 | moontiger | <--- has the beatles on the nano |
| 20:55.50 | moontiger | i have 1400 songs on my nano |
| 20:55.50 | pupnik810 | goes power-outlet seeking |
| 20:55.57 | zakkm | beatles.. you guys truly are old :P |
| 20:55.58 | moontiger | thats enough for on the move for me |
| 20:56.01 | moontiger | hahaha |
| 20:56.06 | moontiger | or i just appreciate them |
| 20:56.08 | moontiger | ;) |
| 20:56.12 | moontiger | not that old |
| 20:56.16 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, +1 :p |
| 20:56.30 | yacoob | people don't live that long, to be still listening to beatles! |
| 20:56.32 | pupnik810 | a few gb is ok.... a couple hundred MB too littled |
| 20:56.48 | moontiger | hey musicians appreciate real music |
| 20:56.50 | moontiger | its timeless |
| 20:56.52 | moontiger | :)~ |
| 20:56.55 | zakkm | it was a joke. |
| 20:57.17 | moontiger | np zakkm i took it as a joke |
| 20:57.18 | moontiger | :) |
| 20:57.23 | qwerty12_N800 | oops.. I was joking too :p :) |
| 20:57.34 | moontiger | hahaha no you werent |
| 20:57.35 | zakkm | my 17 year old friend has beatles on his ipod and keeps listening to them .. |
| 20:57.49 | qwerty12_N800 | moontiger, true :p |
| 20:57.57 | moontiger | laughs |
| 20:58.08 | glass_ | zakkm: the point is.. i listen to a wide variety of music.. '90s goth electro to '50s stuff to classical pieces to 'fuck the world' punk |
| 20:58.24 | zakkm | i love those songs:P " fuck the world " :P |
| 20:58.25 | glass_ | so.. i don't want to keep just few albums with me |
| 20:58.29 | moontiger | wouldnt that be "fuk the world" porn? |
| 20:58.43 | glass_ | of course i keep couple of porno vids on the ipod too |
| 20:58.49 | glass_ | why not.. |
| 20:58.51 | moontiger | haha |
| 20:58.57 | whodat | grr |
| 20:59.01 | moontiger | <-- has hot gf |
| 20:59.02 | qwerty12_N800 | wank on the move? |
| 20:59.10 | whodat | why is miniSD so hard to get ahold of |
| 20:59.20 | moontiger | whodat, amazon? |
| 20:59.23 | glass_ | qwerty12_N800: well, if on some business trip or whatever |
| 20:59.33 | glass_ | qwerty12_N800: better than hotel payperview anyways |
| 20:59.41 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 20:59.57 | whodat | moon: i meant locally lol, microcenter only had 2gb minisd |
| 21:00.06 | lcuk | ok, sorry for vanishing. those people who have just seen liqbase for the first time, was it worth seeing and do you want moar? |
| 21:00.19 | whodat | microsd and standard sd, no minisd |
| 21:00.25 | mgedmin | minisd is a dumb format |
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| 21:00.46 | moontiger | no lcuk it sucks so you should stop developing it right now |
| 21:00.49 | mgedmin | more common than rs-mmc, at least |
| 21:00.51 | lcuk | ok |
| 21:00.55 | moontiger | :) |
| 21:01.48 | mgedmin | lcuk: port fbreader on top of liqbase and I'll love you forever |
| 21:01.51 | yacoob | keeping porn is orthogonal to having a SO :) |
| 21:02.19 | melmoth | Who am i suppose to nag to get the libsoup debug symbol ? |
| 21:02.55 | moontiger | yacoob, thats deep... and i dont get it |
| 21:02.56 | moontiger | :) |
| 21:03.08 | moontiger | mgedmin, you dont like fbreader as is? |
| 21:03.20 | mgedmin | I want smooth finger scrolling |
| 21:03.24 | lcuk | mgedmin, read this bug and check all responses http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=98 |
| 21:03.28 | moontiger | hmmmmmmmmmm i like it as it is |
| 21:03.44 | mgedmin | not "tap to flip to next page", but smoothly drag it along, with inertia, JesusPhone-like |
| 21:03.48 | yacoob | moontiger, nah, it's just the comment you made seemed off. |
| 21:03.59 | lcuk | mgedmin, liqbase like :| |
| 21:04.04 | yacoob | but it might be just me :) |
| 21:04.12 | zakkm | This might sound stupid but Diablo / Maemo .. gets faster overtime right ? |
| 21:04.30 | lcuk | yer as new hardware comes out |
| 21:04.33 | mgedmin | lcuk: the fruit company has better marketing :/ |
| 21:04.35 | yacoob | discovers that Carmina Burana is from 20th century. Who'd have thought? |
| 21:04.36 | zakkm | lol |
| 21:04.46 | mgedmin | likes Carmina Burana |
| 21:04.53 | lcuk | mgedmin, heh |
| 21:04.53 | zakkm | i meant if i were to keep the n800.. would i see things get faster/smoother every update? |
| 21:05.08 | melmoth | carmina burana is not from 20th century. Karl orf is. |
| 21:05.20 | lcuk | zakkm, the os2008 update was special because it unlocked some cpu setting and effectively overclocked everyone |
| 21:05.32 | lcuk | mgedmin, have you read that post on fbreader |
| 21:05.36 | yacoob | music is contemporary, isn't it? |
| 21:05.51 | melmoth | he got inspired by some old school tunes. |
| 21:05.52 | yacoob | it's the lyrics that were medieval |
| 21:05.54 | zakkm | yeah but like from 3 months ago diablo/chinook to todays diablo/chinook .. which is faster? |
| 21:06.00 | mgedmin | lcuk: not yet, multitasking... |
| 21:06.05 | melmoth | not only the lyrics, music too. |
| 21:06.08 | zakkm | i know 2007 to 2008 .. but what about 2008 release.. to now |
| 21:06.15 | lcuk | multitask faster or i will release your secret :P |
| 21:06.16 | moontiger | lcuk, you have a liverpool accent!! |
| 21:06.18 | yacoob | zakkm, microb got speed boost in recent update |
| 21:06.24 | melmoth | though they do not rock as much as good ol cantigas da santa maria |
| 21:06.26 | lcuk | i bloody well don't you cheeky bastard |
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| 21:06.30 | moontiger | haha |
| 21:06.34 | moontiger | sounds like it |
| 21:06.38 | moontiger | manchester? |
| 21:06.43 | lcuk | better :P lol |
| 21:06.51 | zakkm | like before i heard youtube cant play smooth in bult in browser.. but evantually, could it? |
| 21:06.51 | moontiger | from here its all the same |
| 21:06.53 | moontiger | ;) |
| 21:06.57 | lcuk | and its my nighttime accent |
| 21:07.00 | moontiger | hahaha |
| 21:07.23 | yacoob | and for those who are interested, nokia support has "almost" fixed my tablet today. It went to QA, and they've found yet another way to bomb it up. |
| 21:07.26 | zakkm | Manchester, England? great city :) |
| 21:07.40 | lcuk | even worse was video3 - i couldnt speak quietly cos throat was bad, but then when i spoke loud i woke missus up |
| 21:07.44 | lcuk | zakkm, indeed |
| 21:07.47 | mgedmin | read it |
| 21:07.48 | zakkm | yacoob: what problem ? |
| 21:07.57 | zakkm | lcuk : do you live in manchester? |
| 21:08.01 | moontiger | "in the carner" |
| 21:08.05 | moontiger | so funny |
| 21:08.15 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:08.32 | lcuk | is surprised moontiger hasnt ripped the piss out of how i saw linuxtag yet |
| 21:08.33 | zakkm | cool :) |
| 21:08.42 | yacoob | zakkm, turns off at random (well, after applying some external force, like keyboard slide, or extending the stand) |
| 21:08.46 | zakkm | actual manchester or like bury? |
| 21:08.56 | lcuk | no, chadderton |
| 21:09.16 | moontiger | i just laughed my ass off when i heard it |
| 21:09.33 | moontiger | sounds like someone off emmerdale farm |
| 21:09.35 | moontiger | :) |
| 21:09.42 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.45 | moontiger | hahaha |
| 21:10.01 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.11 | moontiger | <--- crying with laughter |
| 21:10.37 | lcuk | you will be cryin when i get hold of you \@/ cheeky sob |
| 21:10.46 | moontiger | "eyyy up... lets go to lyenuxtag!" |
| 21:10.59 | lcuk | at least i dont wear a shell suit |
| 21:11.05 | moontiger | thank god for that |
| 21:11.11 | lcuk | yeah, small mercies |
| 21:11.16 | mgedmin | googles shell suit |
| 21:11.22 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:11.24 | moontiger | mgedmin, dont! |
| 21:11.34 | lcuk | mgedmin, might as well search for perms as well |
| 21:11.41 | moontiger | cracks up |
| 21:11.58 | mgedmin | OH MY EYES! |
| 21:12.26 | lcuk | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W7VspOs3Qt0 |
| 21:12.54 | Stskeeps | reminds me a bit of dublin - people who go out in the evenings in pjs really |
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| 21:13.31 | moontiger | fuk lcuk that stuff isnt still like that is it?? |
| 21:13.54 | moontiger | there arent people like that in england still are there?? |
| 21:13.58 | moontiger | tell me it aint so |
| 21:14.28 | lcuk | lol im not sure - we actually visited liverpool recently (went to a comedy night with holly and hilly) and were laughin all the way round |
| 21:16.02 | moontiger | i will never live in england again |
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| 21:16.06 | moontiger | i just couldnt |
| 21:16.58 | mavhc | warrant? |
| 21:17.05 | Stskeeps | hah :P |
| 21:17.19 | Stskeeps | i really wonder where i'll end up, so far poland, germany/berlin or new zealand seems like a possibility |
| 21:17.26 | moontiger | mavhc, noooooooooooooooo |
| 21:17.37 | lcuk | berlin has amazed me more than any place ive visited |
| 21:17.38 | moontiger | i just dont want tolive there again ... had enough |
| 21:17.52 | moontiger | im moving to madrid soon ... berlin always appealed to me too |
| 21:17.56 | moontiger | might go there for a bit too |
| 21:18.04 | lcuk | speaking of moving, im goin gettin food, bbl |
| 21:18.15 | andre___ | pardon, but where is my gconf user data physically stored on the n810? |
| 21:18.19 | moontiger | has to shower and get out of the house |
| 21:18.23 | andre___ | after that i can also announce moving to keep the topic ;-) |
| 21:18.30 | moontiger | hehe |
| 21:18.37 | moontiger | laterz ;) |
| 21:18.58 | Stskeeps | andre___: .gconf* in /home/user? |
| 21:18.59 | mavhc | well, I'm limited in moving to being really picky about the temp, language, and food, so I'll just have to stay here and build an internet enabled mini blimp with a video camera on to travel round the world |
| 21:20.08 | andre___ | Stskeeps, doesn't exist |
| 21:20.14 | Stskeeps | eh |
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| 21:21.24 | Stskeeps | andre___: that's true, it's not there |
| 21:21.35 | andre___ | i'm confused |
| 21:22.47 | Stskeeps | andre___: /etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/ |
| 21:22.49 | Stskeeps | maybe |
| 21:23.15 | andre___ | ah. the schemes are in /usr/share/gconf :) |
| 21:23.21 | hellwolf | how to use gps in n810 |
| 21:23.21 | Stskeeps | look at /etc/gconf/2/path why i take those :P |
| 21:24.05 | andre___ | oh cool, yupp |
| 21:24.07 | andre___ | thanks |
| 21:24.09 | lardman | night all |
| 21:24.31 | pupnik810 | boo |
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| 21:28.35 | pupnik810 | The nokia n810 is the PERFECT (almost) road companion ... esp for linux geeks |
| 21:28.57 | Stskeeps | which reminds me i need to install iodine.. |
| 21:31.23 | pupnik810 | btw does nokia DC-4 car adapter with 5.4 volts work with N810? Plug fits but N8x0 not listed on box |
| 21:31.51 | Raytray | Only one way to find out. :D |
| 21:31.58 | MangoFusion | *kaboom*! |
| 21:32.11 | Jaffa | Plug it in, does it say "Charging"... |
| 21:32.13 | pupnik810 | i googling |
| 21:32.28 | pupnik810 | i bought the Hama charger |
| 21:32.40 | Jaffa | 5.4V should be fine |
| 21:32.43 | pupnik810 | it says 'charging' but never charges |
| 21:33.19 | pupnik810 | just runs the device - power regulated LED keeps blinking betgween red and green |
| 21:33.40 | mgedmin | DC-4 should work |
| 21:33.50 | pupnik810 | cool |
| 21:33.51 | mgedmin | it was listed among the compatible adapters on the N810 page at nokia |
| 21:33.52 | mgedmin | iirc |
| 21:33.56 | pupnik810 | ty |
| 21:33.58 | mgedmin | AC-4 and DC-4 are the ones |
| 21:34.04 | mgedmin | AC-3 also has the same plug |
| 21:34.07 | mgedmin | but produces a lower current |
| 21:34.14 | pupnik810 | cool cool |
| 21:34.18 | mgedmin | not sure what that means in practical terms |
| 21:34.43 | pupnik810 | available at retail ntoo (n90 and other nokia phones) |
| 21:35.13 | pupnik810 | the hama adapter lists N800 but i suspect it puts out too low voltage |
| 21:35.44 | pupnik810 | i just typinhg this for future google searches by others :) |
| 21:39.09 | whodat | anyone know where to get good screen protectors for the n810 |
| 21:39.37 | Stskeeps | i like boxwave for my n800 |
| 21:39.59 | pupnik810 | dunno - screen is very resilient |
| 21:40.19 | pupnik810 | survived my pockets daily now 1 month |
| 21:43.42 | GAN800 | Boxwave anti-glare |
| 21:43.50 | whodat | pup: absolutely no scratches? |
| 21:44.14 | pupnik810 | cant see any |
| 21:44.24 | pupnik810 | i put keys in other pocket |
| 21:44.39 | Stskeeps | wonders if he'll go to hell for building Maemo-GTK+ for deblet. |
| 21:45.13 | pupnik810 | hehe |
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| 21:45.35 | Stskeeps | i mean, what's the worst that could happen - easy porting of maemo apps :P |
| 21:46.39 | pupnik810 | yes |
| 21:46.42 | pupnik810 | good stuff |
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| 22:02.02 | hellwolf | I opened maemo-mapper, it kept searching for GPS receiver for a while. At last it told me "Error connecting GPSD Server Retry?". How could I fix this |
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| 22:11.03 | mgedmin | hellwolf: n810 or n800 (or 770)? |
| 22:11.08 | hellwolf | N810 |
| 22:11.48 | hellwolf | I changed to choose bluetooth GPS, and leave the field blank. It's now telling me "Establishing GPS fix" |
| 22:11.49 | mgedmin | to use the internal gps, select "bluetooth" in maemo mapper and keep the bluetooth address field blank |
| 22:11.57 | hellwolf | ok:) |
| 22:12.01 | hellwolf | I'm waiting |
| 22:12.02 | mgedmin | yes, it is retarded, there's a bug in maemo mapper's bug tracker for a better user interface |
| 22:13.50 | hellwolf | one more question, how to use phonelink with maemo integrated contacts info support. Or is there other better software to dial/sms via bluetooth phone |
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| 22:29.39 | cyrus__ | after you compile a package within scratchbox, how do you package it up into a .deb file to installation |
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