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| 00:29.28 | lcuk | perfect! if the screen is busy scrolling then no sketches are loaded and the list remains where it is upto. as soon as scrolling stops it loads items in bunches of 5 |
| 00:29.43 | lcuk | heh, wrong chan |
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| 00:30.29 | koyote | hrm |
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| 00:30.45 | lcuk | lol koyote :) it was meant for elsewhere |
| 00:30.54 | koyote | i imagine |
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| 02:12.10 | AStorm | hm |
| 02:12.25 | AStorm | could someone finally fix xournal in diablo extras/extras-devel? |
| 02:12.43 | AStorm | the version in there doesn't have any working tools and is missing many options (as compared to chinook one) |
| 02:12.51 | AStorm | and crashes too :P |
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| 05:13.45 | r2s1 | in nokia n800 ---canola |
| 05:14.03 | r2s1 | where can I save local cover art so I can assign them in some songs?? |
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| 05:15.10 | febb | hi |
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| 05:15.46 | febb | any one here familiar with maemo-mapper ? I am having troubles dowloading map repositories ...do you know if they are down ? |
| 05:15.51 | febb | or something changed? |
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| 06:25.24 | vegai | booted up his N810 first time in half a year :P |
| 06:25.56 | vegai | new OS2008 looks fine. |
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| 06:36.40 | vegai | not many programs in the repos, though... |
| 06:37.18 | vegai | ah, maemo extras is disabled by default |
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| 08:29.41 | Stskeeps | gah @ Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/libh/libhildon/libhildon1_2.0.6-1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) |
| 08:29.46 | Stskeeps | (various packages) |
| 08:30.19 | qwerty12 | Lol, you have a dodgy internet connection :p. I just wgetted it from windows (!) fine :P |
| 08:33.24 | Stskeeps | yeah, it works again when i restart the process all over |
| 08:33.33 | Stskeeps | but it just connects badly occasionally |
| 08:33.42 | Stskeeps | and that's on a high-speed reliable uni line :P |
| 08:35.00 | johnx | change mirrors |
| 08:35.09 | johnx | doesn't your school have a local debian mirror? |
| 08:35.22 | johnx | er, sorry, didn't read |
| 08:35.23 | johnx | heh |
| 08:35.38 | johnx | convince your school to put up a local maemo mirror :) |
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| 08:36.47 | Stskeeps | i'm trying to hard to steer them onto deblet, so i doubt that'll happen :P |
| 08:37.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: i made xscreensaver conflict in latest nit-env-lxde btw (i don't really see a need for a screen saver when the screen already goes blank.. |
| 08:37.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: you know anything about oprofile? it has me stumped :P |
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| 08:38.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: oh, and add <your username> ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 08:38.15 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, No, sorry, never used it. Are you trying to compile your own kernel with it in or something? |
| 08:38.18 | Stskeeps | to /etc/sudoers with visudo, .. gksudo gets more sane |
| 08:38.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: nop, nokia provides oprofile kernels |
| 08:38.33 | qwerty12 | k |
| 08:38.37 | johnx | Stskeeps, good deal. I think that makes sense |
| 08:38.51 | Stskeeps | i've made tablet-user do this automatically but "old users" need to do it manually :P |
| 08:39.08 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I done that as soon as I saw the first gksudo prompt :p |
| 08:39.33 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:40.01 | Stskeeps | i like that solution cos it tells you it executed something with higher privileges |
| 08:40.57 | Stskeeps | (admittedly that isn't secure, but still |
| 08:41.48 | johnx | if someone physically is holding your tablet, they can do anything. this just streamlines the process :) |
| 08:42.02 | Stskeeps | true |
| 08:42.27 | Stskeeps | or sshing in :P but that's another thing |
| 08:46.53 | johnx | I'm sure there's a good privilege elevation trick or two available from ssh |
| 08:47.05 | johnx | (on maemo I mean) |
| 08:47.53 | Stskeeps | did you do any kind of screen locking on beta3 btw? |
| 08:48.01 | johnx | nope |
| 08:48.04 | Stskeeps | k |
| 08:48.06 | johnx | no keyboard :P |
| 08:48.25 | Stskeeps | well i was talking about maemo-like screen locking, turning off touchscreen input |
| 08:48.33 | johnx | aaah...nah |
| 08:48.38 | Stskeeps | cos deblet isn't very pocket friendly atm |
| 08:49.20 | |thunder | hey all, is anything on maemo affected by this nokia mini-map exploit ? http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/6726 |
| 08:49.47 | johnx | |thunder, totally unrelated |
| 08:50.00 | qwerty12 | Lol, if only we had proper webkit... |
| 08:50.26 | johnx | qwerty12, yeah, touch to scroll is the only thing missing in a webkit browser |
| 08:50.34 | johnx | or drag to scroll, whatever it is |
| 08:51.06 | qwerty12 | johnx, I don't think we have any recent builds of webkit (although the QT one is probably more newer) |
| 08:51.21 | johnx | qwerty12, for maemo, no I guess not |
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| 08:51.24 | |thunder | i highly doubt that would be difficult to implement to a knowledgeable prog'r |
| 08:51.35 | johnx | qwerty12, it shouldn't be a problem to build though |
| 08:52.22 | qwerty12 | johnx, probably. last time I tried, it failed at linking and seeing as it took a long time to get to that stage, I sure am not trying again |
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| 08:56.39 | lcuk | Stskeeps, the touchscreen isnt technically disabled :$ at least not fully, when i was messing with liqbase and removed its bailout on background code it was still running and working when locked. it was only when i pressed a key i found out it was locked |
| 08:57.20 | Stskeeps | hm, interesting |
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| 08:57.56 | johnx | lcuk, how were you gathering input? reading the device? or with x11 events? |
| 08:58.16 | lcuk | ahm xsp touchscreen input |
| 08:58.42 | johnx | hmm |
| 08:59.11 | lcuk | i think "locked" in the sense of normal programs is simply "x11 wont send events" |
| 08:59.16 | Stskeeps | sets out to build nit-env-hildon |
| 09:00.44 | |thunder | is there an official place to report canola bugs ? |
| 09:01.26 | johnx | |thunder, they seem to have a bug tracker on their garage page |
| 09:01.38 | |thunder | ok, thanks johnx |
| 09:01.40 | johnx | (searched: canola bug tracker) |
| 09:02.22 | qwerty12 | ~curse Thomson firmware |
| 09:02.26 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Thomson firmware ! |
| 09:03.44 | RST38h | KILL KILL |
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| 09:05.05 | johnx | stabs busybox |
| 09:06.33 | qwerty12 | johnx, the irony, I want to find an exploit to be able to start busybox on this router... |
| 09:06.43 | qwerty12 | And I know it exists in /bin |
| 09:06.47 | johnx | I only hate it sometimes |
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| 09:07.15 | qwerty12 | Though my sister will stab me if I mess up this router... |
| 09:07.21 | johnx | usually I don't mind it. I've been using it for years now, on different devices, but every so often I forget its cute little quirks |
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| 09:08.17 | |thunder | bought 2 new batterirs for n800 for 10$ with free shipping on eBay, YES ! |
| 09:08.29 | |thunder | real nokia ones too.... sweet |
| 09:08.36 | |thunder | *batteries |
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| 09:09.25 | johnx | I keep looking at that mugen 3.6Ah battery and figuring out if I need it |
| 09:10.00 | |thunder | is that special or somn' ? |
| 09:10.05 | |thunder | er, different ? |
| 09:10.28 | qwerty12 | ~lart every forum that isn't IPB or vBulletin |
| 09:10.28 | infobot | runs at every forum that isn't IPB or vBulletin with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 09:10.33 | johnx | 2+ times more runtime than a nokia battery and a lot thicker |
| 09:11.07 | |thunder | if its too much thicker I wont be able to get my case closed, lol |
| 09:11.15 | johnx | that's true |
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| 09:11.28 | johnx | the normal back cover won't work with it |
| 09:11.57 | qwerty12 | You'll have to use your own magnet or modify ke-recv... |
| 09:12.39 | johnx | qwerty12, I figure some duct tape, a snoopy fridge magnet, and maybe room for a usb wimax/3g adapter, :) |
| 09:12.50 | johnx | maybe add a bottle opener and a flashlight while I'm at it |
| 09:13.07 | qwerty12 | lol, N800 - Swiss Army Knife edition :P |
| 09:13.10 | johnx | just the bare necessities |
| 09:13.43 | johnx | huh...I could pull the useless camera and put something in that space... |
| 09:14.50 | |thunder | an IR transmitter would be nice |
| 09:15.01 | |thunder | id trade that for this shitty camera in a heartbeat |
| 09:15.13 | johnx | i dunno |
| 09:15.18 | johnx | IRDA is painfully slow |
| 09:15.44 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/fingerfriendly.png <- talk about finger friendly hildon.. |
| 09:15.48 | Stskeeps | (set dpi of X to 225.) |
| 09:15.58 | |thunder | i meant ir for using as a remote control , lo |
| 09:16.18 | johnx | yay...hildon is broken when the x server tells the truth! awesome design! |
| 09:16.40 | johnx | |thunder, ah, I suppose in bars it would be nice |
| 09:16.48 | johnx | stares over at TV gathering dust... |
| 09:16.55 | |thunder | lol |
| 09:17.20 | qwerty12 | Dunno, it's fun to mess up people's games when they are using a slimline ps2... I was once in toys r rus messing up a game with my psp... |
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| 09:17.55 | johnx | qwerty12, aaah, they have the IR builtin, huh? |
| 09:18.09 | qwerty12 | johnx, yep *grin* |
| 09:20.34 | johnx | maybe a detachable WRT-style wifi antenna, connected out the camera port? |
| 09:20.38 | Stskeeps | hm, hildon is still usable at 72dpi |
| 09:20.39 | Stskeeps | interesting |
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| 09:21.48 | johnx | my big pet peeve is apps that assume all screens are 96dpi and need to be lied to when that's not true |
| 09:22.37 | qwerty12 | sighs at the shitload of GPL violations by Thomson |
| 09:22.48 | johnx | qwerty12, no source? |
| 09:22.53 | Mek | my big pet peeve is hildon/X on maemo not reporting the real DPI... |
| 09:23.09 | johnx | Mek, well you now know the reason it doesn't :) |
| 09:23.48 | Mek | yeah, but still it makes writing software that should also work well on non-broken X installs quite hard |
| 09:24.45 | qwerty12 | johnx, *everything* is shut off on this router. When I telnet in, I get some weird interface that is not a shell etc, when I ftp, I can only go into /dl. I know it's using the linux kernel, it's using the open source p910nd print server, it's using busybox, it's using samba and a whole load of other stuff :/ |
| 09:24.47 | johnx | definitely, it's a huge, stupid broken cycle that Nokia should have *stopped* since they decided to basically make their own widget set anyways... |
| 09:25.28 | johnx | qwerty12, if they provide source, they're not violating the GPL, even if they don't let you get root on it |
| 09:25.35 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/64dpi-hildon.png |
| 09:25.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: check if openwrt exists for it? |
| 09:26.56 | qwerty12 | johnx, no source at all. If there was source, it wouldn't take me long at all to add utelnetd into it. Thomson were also using dropbear on it but seem to have removed it |
| 09:26.56 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no openwrt for it :( |
| 09:27.42 | Stskeeps | got a model number? |
| 09:27.58 | qwerty12 | TG785 v7 |
| 09:28.29 | johnx | that is a seriously unpopular router |
| 09:28.36 | qwerty12 | I'm currently a "root" user on the router after a bit of hacking but I still cannot get into / |
| 09:28.43 | qwerty12 | TG585 sorry |
| 09:28.52 | qwerty12 | johnx, yeah but it's what I got :/ |
| 09:29.17 | johnx | ah, lots more popular now that you gave me the right name :) |
| 09:29.27 | qwerty12 | At any rate, it functions faster than my DG834GT (which is GPL compliant) |
| 09:29.33 | qwerty12 | heh :) |
| 09:31.03 | johnx | qwerty12, so you have root, but can't trick it into running an arbitrary command? |
| 09:31.16 | qwerty12 | johnx, yep |
| 09:31.30 | qwerty12 | Well, root in the Thomson sense |
| 09:31.39 | johnx | anyplace where it will list the contents of /dl ? |
| 09:32.25 | johnx | if so maybe you can put a file up there that has an escape sequence in the name |
| 09:32.32 | qwerty12 | johnx, only via ftp |
| 09:32.56 | qwerty12 | though I can do an ls when I'm connected via ftp and it does mention /bin/ls |
| 09:34.07 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: could always try the serial port :P |
| 09:34.15 | qwerty12 | Somehow, someone managed to dump their filesystem from another router. I'm currently waiting on my computer to crack the /etc/passwd and seeing if the telnet daemon will accept those user names |
| 09:34.25 | Stskeeps | why crackw hen you can add? |
| 09:34.35 | Stskeeps | just add another :0 user :P |
| 09:34.35 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah, I don't have a jtag cable currently |
| 09:34.46 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I can't, I don't have access to the file system myself :P |
| 09:34.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: some only need a rs232 from old mobo :P |
| 09:34.49 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 09:36.22 | johnx | qwerty12, does it have some functionality for installing firmware updates? |
| 09:36.42 | qwerty12 | johnx, yes, but only via a windows program |
| 09:37.24 | johnx | qwerty12, well, sniff it :) |
| 09:37.38 | johnx | maybe it does something really dumb, like upload a *special* filename to /dl via ftp |
| 09:38.14 | qwerty12 | That's a nice idea, thanks! I'll have to find the o2 firmware first though :) |
| 09:38.38 | johnx | just think "If I was being forced to make a half-assed linux-based router, what easy shortcuts would I take?" |
| 09:39.51 | lcuk | Stskeeps, with deblet, how does it handle hildonized apps? do they run |
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| 09:41.04 | qwerty12 | johnx, interesting, running :config save filename=whatever, produces a file called /dl/whatever. I'll see if I can do that from the web interface and try some url injection or something |
| 09:42.01 | johnx | qwerty12, be careful not to brick it if it isn't yours :P |
| 09:43.46 | qwerty12 | johnx, yeah :D. O2 will screw at my sister and my sister will throw bricks at me :P. Though so far, with the web interface and their shell, I can't do much. I have to admit though, I am liking the features on this router. I'm tempted to buy an high end Speedtouch sometime and JTAG it |
| 09:44.14 | johnx | what features specifically? |
| 09:44.36 | johnx | just that it's fast? |
| 09:44.50 | qwerty12 | I like that it comes with SNMP :). For my DG834GT, I had to compile net-snmp manually and add snmpd into my "custom" firmware and code a dirty and quick cgi in C++ to link snmp settings to nvram |
| 09:45.07 | qwerty12 | It's also reliable and has stuff like ipqos which isn't bad for a home router |
| 09:45.19 | johnx | ah, that's why I stick to really well supported routers, like WRTs |
| 09:45.24 | Stskeeps | lcuk: really depends if they use GTK extensions or not.. |
| 09:45.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hidlet-battery.png |
| 09:45.35 | Stskeeps | (.. stolen, obviously) |
| 09:45.41 | lcuk | heh |
| 09:53.32 | johnx | for some reason rc.local isn't getting run I think in deblet |
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| 09:54.58 | Stskeeps | hm |
| 09:54.59 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 09:55.43 | johnx | I added a couple lines to rc.local, but I think they aren't being run |
| 09:56.08 | johnx | if I run /etc/rc.local it appears to work fine |
| 09:56.23 | Stskeeps | that's odd |
| 09:56.35 | johnx | I'll confirm in a sec |
| 10:00.52 | Stskeeps | compiles advanced-backlight |
| 10:03.45 | johnx | Stskeeps, ha! got it. don't install mpd :) |
| 10:04.24 | johnx | that's my lesson of the day |
| 10:04.33 | qwerty12 | Aww :(. Looks like I may have to switch to xmms2 instead in deblet :P |
| 10:04.51 | johnx | qwerty12, I just need to figure out why it won't fork |
| 10:05.37 | johnx | it stalled and nothing after it in rc2.d/ got run... |
| 10:06.14 | qwerty12 | The debian maintainer got a little excited on the init script... I made a version for the latest mpd that uses a more relaxed init script but still has the same checks and features. I'd give it you but it was on my tablet before I reflashed :( |
| 10:07.07 | johnx | no worries, I think it's cause mpd isn't configured and is probably trying to open some sound output that isn't there |
| 10:07.17 | johnx | ^guesses^ |
| 10:07.38 | Stskeeps | we have custom mpd in repo |
| 10:07.40 | Stskeeps | so just fix it |
| 10:07.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:07.50 | johnx | custome mpd? eh? |
| 10:08.09 | johnx | is the source hacked, or just the config? |
| 10:09.18 | Stskeeps | mm, debian package wrappings i think |
| 10:09.20 | Stskeeps | http://packages.tspre.org/pool/main/m/mpd/ |
| 10:09.32 | Stskeeps | i dunno, think it's a deb level hack he did |
| 10:09.53 | Stskeeps | (i added all of fatalsaint's packages when starting the repo) |
| 10:10.03 | johnx | ah, ok |
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| 11:05.23 | Stskeeps | nokia oddity of the day - requiring building their packages in .. scratchbox |
| 11:05.51 | johnx | they won't build outside sb? |
| 11:05.54 | johnx | that's pretty ... special |
| 11:06.07 | Stskeeps | it referred to /targets. |
| 11:06.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:06.14 | johnx | ugh |
| 11:06.32 | Stskeeps | i'm starting to realize why hildon adaptation in distros isn't that high |
| 11:07.21 | AStorm | yeah, I tried to build a package somewhere else, only to fail :> |
| 11:07.27 | AStorm | (lfs-way) |
| 11:07.30 | johnx | sighs |
| 11:08.59 | Stskeeps | i for one welcome our AI overlords to solve these bloody things once and for all. |
| 11:09.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:09.02 | johnx | Nokia, why you always gotta make me hit you? |
| 11:13.02 | johnx | of all my devices, the n800 wins hands down for easiest and most fun to reset when it hangs |
| 11:15.19 | Stskeeps | n810 rocks for popping battery :P |
| 11:15.23 | Stskeeps | .. when you get the cover off |
| 11:15.49 | johnx | cover comes right off on the n800, then I just smack it to get the battery out |
| 11:16.21 | johnx | I really enjoy it when I can *hit* a device for failing me (hanging) |
| 11:20.04 | Stskeeps | johnx: what's the usual reason for things not embedding into hildon space? not hildonized or? :P |
| 11:20.13 | Stskeeps | like, putting itself nicely in |
| 11:20.24 | johnx | ah, you mean like the right border? |
| 11:20.48 | Stskeeps | well like that it doesn't embed itself nicely into the work areas :P |
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| 11:21.00 | johnx | how non-hildon apps tend to extend all the way to the edge? |
| 11:21.13 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:22.12 | johnx | yeah, 90% sure that's cause they're not hildonized |
| 11:22.24 | Stskeeps | mmk |
| 11:22.35 | Stskeeps | wonders htf he made xterm put in the right place before then |
| 11:22.40 | johnx | but different hildon themes have different sized borders, so if you select your theme properly it might be possible to just workaround, ie have everything extend that far |
| 11:23.00 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:23.06 | AStorm | why would we need such extensive work on it anyway? |
| 11:23.23 | AStorm | smells of design failure |
| 11:23.33 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 11:23.43 | johnx | AStorm, hildon? yes. I'm starting to miss qtopia |
| 11:23.48 | johnx | and that's a bad sign |
| 11:23.49 | AStorm | well, gtk should properly size window to fit |
| 11:24.10 | johnx | and if the wm wants a window in a certain place it should override it |
| 11:24.11 | AStorm | menus should be automatically converted |
| 11:24.20 | AStorm | johnx: yes, exactly |
| 11:24.23 | AStorm | it can do that |
| 11:25.00 | AStorm | then, the only things would be modding interfaces to conform to 700x350 resolution |
| 11:25.22 | johnx | but now we have a lot of nice hildon apps, and it's a shame to just dump them and try and convince people to use "bob's new mobile desktop toolkit" |
| 11:25.28 | AStorm | working with input method more low-level should be easier too |
| 11:25.47 | johnx | AStorm, as a gtk input method? or as X11 events? |
| 11:25.50 | johnx | heck, either one |
| 11:25.53 | AStorm | e.g. have some "show it" message |
| 11:25.57 | AStorm | X events are more generic |
| 11:26.26 | AStorm | actually, two messages, one "show it and resize main window" (default) and "show it overlapping" |
| 11:26.47 | AStorm | next should be "hide it" |
| 11:27.27 | AStorm | it's currently fairly impossible to use it from anything else than gtk (even in qt it's broken - I'm sure it's being worked on) |
| 11:27.39 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm definately having an uphill battle with hildon |
| 11:27.55 | Stskeeps | wonders how many maemo apps that could run easily on normal gtk. |
| 11:28.01 | johnx | Stskeeps, well, that's the *other* reason I changed course from beta2 to beta3 |
| 11:28.07 | AStorm | the "context" stuff is far too precise |
| 11:28.15 | johnx | Stskeeps, de-hildonizing :D |
| 11:28.17 | AStorm | why the hell we need this context? let the toolkit manage it |
| 11:28.55 | Stskeeps | johnx: well, noone says they can't use hildon, but i wonder how libhildon acts when outside hildon.. |
| 11:29.03 | AStorm | it works |
| 11:29.15 | AStorm | but isn't any different from gtk, so nobody sane uses it ;P |
| 11:29.36 | AStorm | it's more work for the same result |
| 11:29.45 | AStorm | btw, do we have Python hildon bindings? |
| 11:30.13 | johnx | Stskeeps, also, some apps behave strangely when they have a normal window manager |
| 11:30.15 | Stskeeps | easy to get |
| 11:30.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: examples? |
| 11:30.30 | johnx | modest |
| 11:30.34 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:30.40 | AStorm | broken I guess ;P |
| 11:30.46 | AStorm | it tries to outsmart the WM? |
| 11:31.06 | johnx | nah, it just relies on the wm to pick a window size |
| 11:31.12 | AStorm | this should be ok |
| 11:31.17 | johnx | so you get this little 60x30 (or whatever) pixel window |
| 11:31.24 | AStorm | that's a WM bug |
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| 11:31.34 | AStorm | or maybe it should provide a better size hint |
| 11:31.51 | johnx | AStorm, then it's a consistent wm bug in like 5 mainstream wms |
| 11:32.05 | AStorm | ok, then it's probably modest providing bad size hints ;P |
| 11:32.28 | AStorm | it should either give 0,0 (means: WM's default) or something meaningful |
| 11:33.33 | AStorm | maybe someone ate two trailing zeros ;P |
| 11:33.41 | AStorm | and it was supposed to be 600x300 |
| 11:34.17 | johnx | it's something small, I'd have to see exactly what it is again if you're interested |
| 11:34.28 | AStorm | nah, not interested enough |
| 11:34.37 | AStorm | I have another app to write myself |
| 11:34.49 | AStorm | and a hildon-im provider too |
| 11:36.45 | AStorm | also, I noticed that fn+space bound to tab produces a weird character |
| 11:36.55 | AStorm | I mean, a tab with some weird modifier |
| 11:37.00 | AStorm | (noticed by Qt) |
| 11:37.57 | johnx | on the one hand, Nokia really did put together a good user experience. on the other, sometimes it makes me crazy... |
| 11:38.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: seems like ubuntu is really the foremost on hildon packages cos they actually use them :P |
| 11:38.16 | johnx | ...and now I rendered my deblet install unbootable |
| 11:38.25 | Stskeeps | usbnet still off? |
| 11:38.44 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, cause I decided I needed a physical keyboard |
| 11:38.48 | johnx | heh...jokes on me :) |
| 11:39.24 | Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE <- i should really get around to implementing this |
| 11:40.13 | johnx | your own flash video site, with long buffering times and patchy playback? :P |
| 11:40.26 | AStorm | I'm actually rewriting epitext, which drove me mad a bit ;P |
| 11:40.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: nah, deblet rescue menu |
| 11:42.04 | johnx | yeah, that'd be pretty neat. |
| 11:42.12 | Stskeeps | wonder where i put the code.. |
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| 11:45.31 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/menu.sh.txt <- the code is actually really simple |
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| 11:59.04 | johnx | gives up, sleeps |
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| 12:39.39 | lopz | hola |
| 13:00.36 | konttori__ | Hey, why cannot I download the diablo image with my very valid id number? |
| 13:00.55 | konttori__ | (if anyone knows alternative dl location than nokia official, that would be appreciated |
| 13:00.56 | konttori__ | ) |
| 13:01.10 | konttori__ | Official being: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
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| 13:04.31 | konttori__ | hmmm no-one around. |
| 13:05.23 | aquatix | konttori__: does it reject your number? |
| 13:05.30 | konttori__ | yeah |
| 13:05.36 | konttori__ | Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code. |
| 13:06.24 | konttori__ | and this is my home n810 that is really an official n810 and not some weird proto |
| 13:07.16 | aquatix | hm |
| 13:09.40 | Stskeeps | konttori__: could always try the windows flasher one (thread on ITT i think) |
| 13:11.17 | konttori__ | True. Perhaps I'll boot to windows today |
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| 13:49.02 | thopiekar | hi @ all... could someone please tell me howto edit the garage.maemo.org homepage? |
| 13:49.14 | thopiekar | ... the html files not the adress.. |
| 13:49.52 | whodat | whats the difference between internal memory and internal card as far as where things get installed to when using the application manager? |
| 13:50.21 | Mek | thopiekar: editing the foo.garage.maemo.org page for your project? |
| 13:50.24 | Mek | thopiekar: commit to www in your svn repository for the project |
| 13:51.37 | thopiekar | thanks |
| 13:51.59 | thopiekar | svn? isn't garage using cvs? |
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| 14:22.45 | Stskeeps | GAN800: when booting deblet on beagle back then, did you see splash/console btw? |
| 14:22.48 | Stskeeps | just curious |
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| 15:53.29 | RST38h | What is it with those job opportunity scams nowadays? |
| 15:53.49 | RST38h | I am now getting 5-10 different ones in a row |
| 16:02.35 | lcuk | RST38h, consider yourself lucky |
| 16:03.43 | qwerty12 | has never found receiving scam posts to be a sign of luck :) |
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| 16:17.25 | Stskeeps | ponders pros and cons of buying pizza tonight |
| 16:17.54 | qwerty12 | There's cons?!? |
| 16:18.06 | ShadowJK_ | lost time and money? |
| 16:18.29 | MangoFusion | by the time you figure that all out, you might as well have just got the pizza |
| 16:18.47 | lcuk | get a bacon topping and make it a double plus good |
| 16:18.58 | Stskeeps | well i either have to defrost stuff or wait an hour.. hmm :P |
| 16:19.02 | qwerty12 | was a greedy shit last night... chicken burger, chicken wings and 2 bags of chips >.<. In my defense, I'd only asked for one bag of chips |
| 16:20.42 | lcuk | my mate once got in trouble after a night of heavy drinking (we were practically chased out of the chippy). he ordered *a* sausage, she heard it as *8* sausages and she dutyfully wrapped them for him (who was leaning heavily on the counter watching it all) when she put em on the counter and asked for money he almost fell over |
| 16:21.21 | qwerty12 | lmao |
| 16:21.52 | lcuk | he never went in there again |
| 16:22.25 | Stskeeps | mm, sausages |
| 16:25.27 | whodat | does the package manager install packages to internal memory, internal card, or external card? |
| 16:26.29 | qwerty12 | internal memory. If you want to install to an external/internal card, clone the os to a card |
| 16:26.34 | qwerty12 | ~clone-sd |
| 16:26.40 | qwerty12 | ~boot-sd |
| 16:26.41 | infobot | it has been said that boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 16:29.24 | whodat | so .. the cards have way more memory, but you cant install stuff to them without cloning the entire os? |
| 16:30.16 | Stskeeps | went for the pizza. |
| 16:30.42 | qwerty12 | Congrats? :P |
| 16:30.54 | Stskeeps | yup. :> |
| 16:31.12 | lcuk | Stskeeps, which pizza distro did you choose? |
| 16:32.15 | Stskeeps | for tomorrow, olives, artiskok (?), tomato, cheese, chicken and onion, and today, a calzone with mushrooms, cheese, ham, shrimps and tomato :P |
| 16:32.38 | RST38h | #define M_MULFLAGS(R,D) \ |
| 16:32.38 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.38 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.38 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.44 | RST38h | Oh shit, wrong window |
| 16:33.05 | lcuk | heh RST38h |
| 16:33.08 | qwerty12 | if I was in US, I'd be tempted to compile : http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ and try ordering from my N800 :P |
| 16:33.11 | lcuk | did that last night |
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| 16:53.04 | qwerty12 | lcuk: with your acmonitor cpu speed mod, did you have to do any tricks to get it to change the speed or does acmonitor run as root automatically? I just did a very quick mod to acmonitor to achieve the same as what you did with yours |
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| 16:54.15 | lcuk | nothing odd, just inserted the cpufreq code i used to use in liqbase (now replaced by 3 simple scripts which are called with sudo ..) |
| 16:54.37 | lcuk | i thought it was some kind of kernal module anyway |
| 16:55.10 | qwerty12 | Thanks :), I just added in a quick system(... to where it detects if the charger is connected or not |
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| 16:55.20 | qwerty12 | Nah, you have to be root to write to the sysfs entry |
| 16:56.52 | lcuk | yer and if its a kernel mod thats assumed |
| 16:57.18 | lcuk | i never gave it a second thought tbh lol - it talks to the system and works with it, its gotta have access already |
| 16:57.47 | qwerty12 | True :). I have a feeling it runs as root anyway as it's started by init |
| 16:58.10 | qwerty12 | make compiled it fine anyway, I'll package it when I buy yet another charger |
| 16:58.22 | qwerty12 | s/make/gcc I guess |
| 16:58.39 | lcuk | heh you arent having much luck with chargers |
| 16:59.09 | qwerty12 | I know! I swear, if my next one is messed, I'm just gonna swap it with my brothers... |
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| 17:11.54 | cyrus__ | Stskeeps r u there |
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| 17:13.32 | Stskeeps | cyrus__: mm? |
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| 17:15.20 | cyrus__ | got a question about deblet.does italychange anything about the base os. Like kernel or startup scripts. Or is it pretty segregated if u install on internal flash |
| 17:16.15 | Stskeeps | cyrus__: if it changes anything in maemo, you mean? no, don't change any kernel stuff or startup scripts, except for bootmenu which alters initfs |
| 17:16.23 | Stskeeps | deblet isn't suited for internal flash however just right now |
| 17:16.42 | Stskeeps | deblet does ofcourse alter debian base OS on it's own installation, but yeah |
| 17:17.11 | cyrus__ | Why isnt it good for internal flash |
| 17:17.33 | Stskeeps | because we don't really fit in 256m :) i don't mean internal memory card, i mean internal flash |
| 17:17.48 | cyrus__ | K |
| 17:17.56 | cyrus__ | thank you. |
| 17:18.16 | Stskeeps | why'd you ask, - just curious? |
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| 17:19.26 | cyrus__ | Just wondering. I tried to install xfce which i thought just installed on the sd card but when i rebooted maemo would not start |
| 17:20.54 | cyrus__ | So deblet just modifies initfs to provide the boot option and then it boots of wherever u installed it, right |
| 17:21.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, with liqbase have you noticed this corruption thing |
| 17:22.58 | Stskeeps | cyrus__: yeah, and allowing to boot other things too |
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| 17:24.27 | cyrus__ | Thanks for the info |
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| 17:26.05 | kkrusty | is it theoretically possible for the n8x0 to as a bluetooth headset? |
| 17:26.18 | Stskeeps | cyrus__: so you tried to install xfce inside maemo? |
| 17:26.43 | cyrus__ | ya. Did not work |
| 17:27.20 | cyrus__ | When i ran it nothing happened |
| 17:27.32 | Stskeeps | yeah.. it's not a trivial thing to do |
| 17:27.42 | cyrus__ | And when i rebooted half the screen came up with half the splash still showing |
| 17:27.50 | Stskeeps | which is why there's a need for stuff like deblet |
| 17:28.09 | cyrus__ | How is the speed of deblet |
| 17:28.35 | cyrus__ | Is there an app like canola and a gps app |
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| 17:29.20 | Stskeeps | hehe.. i don't own a n810 but you're welcome to work on getting gpsdriver going on deblet :) |
| 17:29.37 | Stskeeps | we have the advantage of a lot of debian applications |
| 17:29.43 | cyrus__ | k |
| 17:29.47 | Stskeeps | so what exists on debian on normal desktop machines, we have |
| 17:29.51 | cyrus__ | K |
| 17:29.54 | Stskeeps | what exists on maemo we don't always have |
| 17:29.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:33.08 | cyrus__ | how do u port to deblet. Is there a doc out there or an sdk |
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| 17:33.36 | Stskeeps | it's basically a normal debian linux |
| 17:34.06 | Stskeeps | so you can do two things, compile on tablet yourself, or compile in a qemu |
| 17:34.12 | Stskeeps | i use http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ myself as a qemu image |
| 17:34.22 | Stskeeps | all the development tools are availiable in both |
| 17:34.25 | cyrus__ | K |
| 17:34.44 | Stskeeps | we don't have a scratchbox (yet) sadly, even though it could be useful occasionally |
| 17:36.23 | cyrus__ | alright. I think the info i got so far will keep me busy for a few days. Later |
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| 17:37.34 | Stskeeps | mm. calzone <3 |
| 17:38.36 | Stskeeps | wtf |
| 17:39.06 | ShadowJK_ | the evil twins? |
| 17:39.08 | Stskeeps | @ itt: "i installed android on my 770 and it fucked up and i sent it to nokia. nokia, man yourself up and answer these basic things!" |
| 17:39.20 | ShadowJK_ | wtf? |
| 17:41.49 | kpel | indeed |
| 17:44.23 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24240 |
| 17:46.27 | kpel | lol |
| 17:46.41 | dick-richardson | as in the Google OS? |
| 17:47.14 | kpel | i don't know what's the name of whatever these people smoke but i'd like to know where can i find it and how much does it cost. |
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| 17:50.48 | GNUton | hi there |
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| 18:00.07 | RST38h | Moo, gnuton |
| 18:00.28 | RST38h | GNUton: Your latest maemo mapper .deb installs .desktop and .service files into / |
| 18:01.30 | ShadowJK_ | heh |
| 18:01.35 | ShadowJK_ | damn |
| 18:01.40 | ShadowJK_ | I just updated that today :P |
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| 18:10.58 | GNUton | RST38h: I'm not a developer of maemo mapper! :P |
| 18:14.09 | Stskeeps | gnuton vs gnuite, heh |
| 18:14.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:24.50 | RST38h | Ah |
| 18:24.52 | RST38h | Sorry |
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| 18:34.11 | RST38h | http://th96.deviantart.com/fs14/300W/f/2007/101/0/7/Big_Bad_Bunny_Eater_by_imaginism.jpg |
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| 19:00.11 | GNUton | Stskeeps: :D I'm more strong than him! Thus I win! |
| 19:01.01 | lcuk | could this be the next in a long line of linux grudge matchs? |
| 19:02.56 | lcuk | in the red corner, bringing to the arena the whole world in his hands, gnuite. in the blue corner, bringing the world+kitchensinkwidget+severalgigs of ui, gnuton. the question is, which takes up more server space ... google earth or qt dev folder :P |
| 19:05.50 | GNUton | :D |
| 19:06.55 | GNUton | are eating a chocolate cake... MmMMMm |
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| 19:13.49 | RST38h | KILL, my little penguins, KILL |
| 19:14.18 | Stskeeps | okay, bluetooth PAN is bloody easy |
| 19:14.48 | Stskeeps | hcitool scan, pand --connect <mac> --service nap, dhclient bnep0 |
| 19:18.13 | lcuk | Stskeeps, really easy if you like remembing long little text lines, but people want big shiney buttons |
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| 19:18.25 | lcuk | i could never remember somethin like that |
| 19:18.34 | lcuk | its hard enough to recall the path to my dev folder |
| 19:19.57 | Stskeeps | lcuk: .. yeah, i'm starting to realize that after http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24242 |
| 19:20.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:20.23 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:21.00 | lcuk | would be nice if you had a quick front end for all these kind of little scripts and commands ;) |
| 19:21.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, that's where i hoped other people would come in and help out :P |
| 19:21.25 | lcuk | is there any way to get sound workin by the way, or is it just unloved and in need of similar script magic tlc |
| 19:22.21 | lcuk | the desktop manager you are using, it has a menu structure doesnt it |
| 19:22.23 | Stskeeps | i think it's a typo in a script to be honest |
| 19:22.34 | lcuk | just like hildon menus |
| 19:22.40 | Stskeeps | yeah, start menu |
| 19:22.41 | lcuk | mmmm actually |
| 19:22.43 | lcuk | i could do it here |
| 19:22.59 | lcuk | i wonder what would happen if i put the hildon app menu into liqbase ;) |
| 19:23.02 | Stskeeps | i did 60+ conversions of .deb -> debian source packages so something was bound to fuck up :) |
| 19:23.08 | lcuk | ie used their contents but my frontend |
| 19:23.15 | Stskeeps | not difficult |
| 19:23.27 | lcuk | no, not really at all, its just a thought anyway |
| 19:24.25 | lcuk | so you need to find an audiophile deblet loving hacker to see what magic you spilt on the worktop whilst converting |
| 19:24.46 | lcuk | and a bluetooth guru |
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| 19:28.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:28.42 | Stskeeps | okay, pand --search is a funny command |
| 19:28.48 | Stskeeps | search all PAN devices and ask if it can connect |
| 19:28.49 | Stskeeps | .P |
| 19:29.36 | Stskeeps | ponders if that could be fun at a railway station.. |
| 19:29.43 | lcuk | click icon, run pand, parse results, show dialog, profit |
| 19:30.02 | lcuk | lol Stskeeps i have considered making a bluetooth radar |
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| 19:30.23 | lcuk | now ive got multiple devices and a network connection it might actually be practical |
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| 19:31.22 | lcuk | have both machines doing scans and get them to compare results, the scans return approx signal strength so location can be determined (with 2 roots of course, but your fixed location can ensure you select the correct one) |
| 19:32.07 | lcuk | full ping scan takes about 10seconds per cycle, so not great resolution, but fun all the same |
| 19:34.34 | Stskeeps | hehe. i worked with positioning for 2 years in a research project and got a research article in the belt |
| 19:34.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 19:35.34 | Stskeeps | (http://doi.ieeecomputersociety.org/10.1109/PERCOM.2008.75) |
| 19:37.30 | lcuk | tips hat to you :) |
| 19:37.56 | Stskeeps | but yeah, i've considered some home positioning too |
| 19:38.19 | Stskeeps | my signal strength on my tablet seems to vary enough to give results |
| 19:38.56 | lcuk | yer, and for added "fun" we make it look like an aliens scanner or a tricorder ;) |
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| 19:45.19 | RST38h | did some positioning work too |
| 19:45.27 | RST38h | Does not work very well, in a general case |
| 19:48.06 | Stskeeps | well, depends on the method, equipment, if you use heterogenous devices or not.. etc |
| 19:48.26 | Stskeeps | there's some impressive stuff out there but the technology needs improving |
| 19:50.45 | lcuk | heh, its still gonna be good enough for playing "find my phone" |
| 19:50.53 | RST38h | we tried triangulation and fingerprinting |
| 19:50.56 | lcuk | "beep beep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep" |
| 19:51.19 | lcuk | youngest is always leavin his in odd palces |
| 19:51.37 | RST38h | triangulation worked badly, especially considering that Prism "signal strength" readout is actually an SNR value computed by a weird scheme |
| 19:51.59 | RST38h | fingerprinting worked better but required labor-intensive mapping process |
| 19:52.22 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i spent most of those 2 hours collecting fingerprints. |
| 19:52.31 | Stskeeps | er |
| 19:52.33 | Stskeeps | years |
| 19:52.37 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:52.38 | Stskeeps | rest of the time coding |
| 19:52.40 | RST38h | urgh |
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| 19:56.48 | t_s_o | on the topic of pand and scanning, iirc there was something that went the round when bluetooth devices where less common, something about sending small messages or similar to random devices within range |
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| 20:00.36 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: i've had strangers send me jpg (didn't accept) too :P in busses |
| 20:02.40 | t_s_o | yep, thats the kind of stuff |
| 20:03.57 | t_s_o | iirc, if you send the phones vcard the name field would show up on most screens independent of the owner accepting or not. so if you wrote something other then your own name... ;) |
| 20:04.14 | Stskeeps | yeah :P |
| 20:06.47 | RST38h | cybiko? |
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| 20:22.10 | Stskeeps | wow, midori is speedy |
| 20:22.51 | derf | Is it also green? |
| 20:23.43 | Stskeeps | .. green? |
| 20:23.57 | derf | "Midori" means "green" in Japanese. |
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| 20:25.36 | RST38h | does it crash? |
| 20:26.04 | Stskeeps | i'm running google maps on it so far, and no yet |
| 20:26.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:26.25 | Stskeeps | (this is midori on deblet, though) |
| 20:27.47 | RST38h | oh |
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| 20:36.07 | Mace` | sanctuary is an awesome show |
| 20:36.28 | Mace` | they'll probably cancel it like firefly |
| 20:36.29 | Mace` | bastards |
| 20:36.43 | Mace` | how the hell could they cancel firefly when it was such an awesome show :) |
| 20:37.02 | RST38h | what is it about? |
| 20:37.20 | Stskeeps | Mace`: did you have bluetooth DUN/PAN problems btw? |
| 20:38.23 | lcuk | Mace`, santuary started as a webshow didnt it |
| 20:38.43 | lcuk | less chance it will be cancelled because i dont tihnk its at the behest of a large studio for financing |
| 20:39.07 | RST38h | found it. The description does not sound all that exciting |
| 20:39.24 | RST38h | Will try and download a few episodes though |
| 20:39.48 | Mace` | lcuk - yes it did |
| 20:39.56 | Mace` | the webisodes were better than the tv version ;) |
| 20:40.06 | Mace` | but the tv version obviously has backing.. the cg is better |
| 20:40.25 | Mace` | Stskeeps - i really haven't worked on it much to tell you the truth |
| 20:40.54 | Stskeeps | Mace`: hehe, okay, see my deblet hack challenges post about PAN at some point.. i hope that solves some people's problems :P |
| 20:40.54 | lcuk | if done carefully, the backing can go to improving aspects without those aspects effecting the day to day running costs |
| 20:40.56 | Mace` | i was about to get pand working but i haven't had time to get it going .. have been busy this week moving my money around |
| 20:41.09 | Mace` | yeah? where is it? |
| 20:41.12 | Stskeeps | MangoFusion: well PAN to cellphone, i can do it atleast |
| 20:41.25 | Mace` | 3G uses pand i'm guessing? |
| 20:41.42 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=232780&postcount=52 |
| 20:41.50 | Stskeeps | well, my sony ericsson k610i does it :P |
| 20:42.57 | Mace` | Stskeeps - that almost seems too easty to work ;) |
| 20:42.58 | Mace` | haha |
| 20:43.03 | Mace` | easty/easy |
| 20:43.04 | Stskeeps | Mace`: yes, i was surprised too |
| 20:43.12 | Mace` | i'll try it out today or tomorrow though |
| 20:43.15 | Mace` | with my n95 and att |
| 20:43.38 | Mace` | the problem i would have though.. woudl be how it picks up the access point |
| 20:43.58 | Mace` | att has 2 types off connections.. 1 is if you pay for the "tethering/laptop" plan and the other one is media net |
| 20:44.05 | Mace` | media net is proxied and throttled |
| 20:44.36 | Mace` | if you use it to connect to something other than what they want you to see (ie. places to buy things from people that pay att to put ads) |
| 20:44.51 | Mace` | then it stops at around 5MB and completely disconnects |
| 20:46.16 | Mace` | but i'll try it out when i get the chance and tell you how it goes ... i love deblet because the iceweasel stuff works with my zimbra server in ajax mode ;) |
| 20:48.05 | Stskeeps | true |
| 20:48.10 | Stskeeps | did you try midlet? |
| 20:48.13 | Stskeeps | that thing is amazing :P |
| 20:48.14 | Stskeeps | er |
| 20:48.15 | Stskeeps | midori.. |
| 20:48.20 | Stskeeps | .. enough with the -let names, sts.. |
| 20:48.27 | Mace` | no |
| 20:48.34 | Mace` | johnx said to try it out but i haven't yet |
| 20:48.39 | Mace` | since iceweasel worked right off the bat |
| 20:48.40 | Stskeeps | webkit browser, it's faster than microb |
| 20:48.54 | Mace` | microb didn't render zimbra correctly |
| 20:49.04 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 20:49.06 | Mace` | they have midori for maemo? |
| 20:49.35 | Mace` | i'm thinking it's a webkit problem because safari on my mac doesn't render certain things correctly either |
| 20:49.46 | Mace` | and i'm pretty sure safari is webkit based |
| 20:50.08 | Mace` | audacious sigfaults in deblet ;) |
| 20:51.17 | Mace` | getting rid of the iceweasel smartbar shit was good too |
| 20:51.41 | Mace` | that is incredibly annoying on an n800.. i'm sure it's not as annoying on an n810 since you get a qwerty :) i think i'm going to buy one this week or next week |
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| 20:52.06 | Mace` | i'll give my n800 to my father so he can hook it up to his krzr and use the yahoo fantasy football crap while he's at work |
| 20:52.27 | Mace` | they blocked yahoo fantasy football at his job because some jackass got caught 3 times making trades instead of doing his job :) |
| 20:52.55 | Stskeeps | midori for maemo is broken afaik |
| 20:53.07 | BULLE_ | Mace`: perhaps a hint that your father should take, eg, do work not play games, at worktime, atleast if he likes his job and want to keep it ? |
| 20:53.17 | Mace` | uhm |
| 20:53.32 | Mace` | yeah. he's been there for over 35 years and is already vested |
| 20:53.59 | Stskeeps | Mace`: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/zimbra.png |
| 20:54.00 | BULLE_ | 35 years is quite some time |
| 20:54.21 | Mace` | yes it is... he could probably beat a supervisor half to death and they would fire the supervisor |
| 20:54.49 | Mace` | if he were to lose his job.. it would have to be for something far more than checking on his fantasy football :) |
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| 20:55.34 | Mace` | it would be like apple getting rid of jobs right after he decided to come up with the ipod |
| 20:56.33 | Mace` | the other guy who got caught was there for less than a year |
| 20:56.53 | Mace` | and did not understand the need to establish one's self in a company |
| 20:57.56 | Mace` | so since he messed it up for others that are in the same league... i want to get myself an n810 and give my father the n800 so he can still do stuff to his team while at work.. it would be a good advantage |
| 21:00.05 | Mace` | but ANYWAYS...sts.. i'll try it soon and let you know how it goes.. none of the pand front ends work in deblet though i'm guessing ? |
| 21:00.18 | Stskeeps | Mace`: .. there's frontends? |
| 21:00.21 | kkrusty | I wonder if you could use the n810/n800 as a bluetooth headset |
| 21:00.28 | Mace` | i figured something should work with it :) |
| 21:00.30 | Stskeeps | kkrusty: i guess it would be technically possible |
| 21:00.33 | Mace` | can't you just rip the maemo one? |
| 21:00.42 | Stskeeps | Mace`: possibly |
| 21:00.48 | Mace` | heh |
| 21:01.10 | Mace` | what do you mean as a bluetooth headset? |
| 21:01.24 | Mace` | i've used my earpiece to make skype calls if that's what you mean? |
| 21:01.46 | Mace` | ah well.. i'm off to watch yesterday's sanctuary |
| 21:01.59 | Mace` | i still think the webisodes were better.. at least the first episode was |
| 21:02.18 | kkrusty | I mean that you could use it with your computer to recieve your audio over it like as if its an actual bluetooth headset |
| 21:02.20 | Mace` | the story was better.. kind of like tenchi muyo universe and the oav box set |
| 21:02.41 | Mace` | kkrusty - oh.. never tried that... i would just use the filesystem to do that |
| 21:03.02 | Mace` | and i'm sure the range wouldn't be all that great |
| 21:03.19 | Mace` | better to just stick with wifi ... bt is crap for speed |
| 21:03.23 | Mace` | later |
| 21:03.29 | kkrusty | Mace: It would mean that I wont have to buy an actual headset |
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| 21:06.18 | Mace` | waiting on this damn vista box to finish encoding something so i can rip the video card out of it |
| 21:06.39 | Mace` | i didn't know they changed agp a long time ago when they upped the voltage |
| 21:07.22 | kkrusty | Stskeeps: I think it depends on the set of profiles the bluetooth module supports. |
| 21:12.23 | cars__ | kkrusty, stupid question, but why doesn't every device support every applicable BT profile? |
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| 21:16.08 | kkrusty | cars__: I dont know whether thats the case but I could imagine the usual marketing reasons or to make it cheaper |
| 21:17.53 | kkrusty | does anyone remember the video of a n800 being used to hear audio from another device? |
| 21:19.46 | cars__ | kkrusty, also, I would imagine BT is completely proprietary, right? So that's why this community and others can't just add or enable support of various profiles ourselves. |
| 21:20.12 | kkrusty | yeah hence one of the marketing reasons |
| 21:20.43 | kkrusty | I hate it when we're locked out of our own devices. |
| 21:21.51 | Stskeeps | kkrusty: i would say it depends on the software stack, not so much the dongle, afaik |
| 21:21.57 | Stskeeps | i mean, i can randomly set up a PAN service.. |
| 21:22.45 | cars__ | gah, I hate corporate greed. Something that is technologically possible shouldn't be restricted just because the company is just to lazy or cheap to impliment it. |
| 21:24.56 | kkrusty | Stskeeps: well the capabilities of the hardware are the absolute upper cap of what can be done. Then of course it depends on how forthcoming the company actually is. |
| 21:25.19 | kkrusty | The obviously wont want people using the n8x0 as a bluetooth headset and be a competition to normal headsets |
| 21:25.24 | kkrusty | *they |
| 21:25.34 | Stskeeps | kkrusty: ear marks on display, eh ; |
| 21:26.02 | cars__ | More companies should add features in a "Let's see where they go with this" sort of approach. |
| 21:28.05 | Stskeeps | kkrusty: it's honestly a matter of implementing a HSP profile for bluez, really. |
| 21:28.58 | kkrusty | Stskeeps: well... heres something from the past that might prove its possible. http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/12/eavesdropping_on_bluetooth_hea.html |
| 21:29.31 | Stskeeps | it is possible, just not done yet |
| 21:29.44 | kkrusty | Im essentially interested in the fact that you can hear the audio on your n770 from another device, not the eavesdropping |
| 21:31.39 | kkrusty | viewing the video it seems that its a slightly different concept |
| 21:32.18 | cars__ | The BT hardware on the n8x0 (or, say, my laptop or phone) is theoretically able to support the applicable profiles, right? Is it simply that they are not implimented or enabled? |
| 21:32.29 | Stskeeps | bluez hasn't implemented it afaik |
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| 21:33.00 | arj_ | hi |
| 21:33.30 | Stskeeps | oh, a fellow dane |
| 21:33.38 | arj_ | :) |
| 21:33.53 | arj_ | I'm a little confused. After upgrading my n810, the map software seems to ask for a key. From googling, it appears I have to buy a wayfinder license, but I thought one was included? |
| 21:35.21 | cars__ | A trial license is included for navigation/directions, but position and maps are free. |
| 21:35.43 | arj_ | ok, I see |
| 21:35.53 | arj_ | thanks |
| 21:36.34 | cars__ | otherwise, you need to subscribe to the nav functions |
| 21:36.55 | cars__ | there are alternative programs available |
| 21:37.50 | arj_ | yeah like maemo mapper? |
| 21:38.14 | cars__ | arj_, Yes, like maemo mapper, which can have better functionality. |
| 21:40.22 | cars__ | There are a couple others, but I don't know how often they are updated. |
| 21:40.58 | arj_ | does maemo mapper provide driving instructions? |
| 21:42.03 | cars__ | It does, but it requires an internet connection. If you have it tethered to your phone it's not a bad solution. |
| 21:42.34 | arj_ | can't I just download all the maps beforehand if I know where I'm going? |
| 21:42.55 | cars__ | Or you could just get them before you leave and along the way at hotspots as you get lost. |
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| 21:43.31 | arj_ | cool |
| 21:43.36 | arj_ | and it uses openstreetmap? |
| 21:43.43 | Stskeeps | can use google maps too |
| 21:43.48 | Stskeeps | cached whole of dublin when he went there |
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| 21:44.07 | arj_ | I have been uploading and helping with improve openstreetmap, so it would be nice if I could use it as well :) |
| 21:46.04 | cars__ | I don't know if it does, or not. I'm fairly certain the maps are raster based, which is why it needs the net connection for directions. |
| 21:46.30 | arj_ | but if I used google maps I could download everything before I went? |
| 21:46.38 | Stskeeps | could with any of them i think |
| 21:46.55 | cars__ | there is osm2go, which apparently is an editor for openstreetmaps |
| 21:49.17 | cars__ | Is there a setting for a mic boost on the n810/diablo? Maemo recorder has very faint recordings. |
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| 21:58.43 | kpel | hi |
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| 22:14.32 | mavhc | google maps does use vectors in hybrid mode though, seems like noone's worked out how to steal (err, cache) them yet though |
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