| 00:00.09 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: does that tell you anything? |
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| 00:13.55 | EruditeHermit | hm |
| 00:14.06 | EruditeHermit | I think I have managed to recover it |
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| 00:21.40 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: is there a way to get rid of the pdfs without removing osso-software-version? |
| 00:22.03 | GAN800 | Just delete them out of their folder. |
| 00:22.42 | GAN800 | Alternatively, just remove the package and osv and not worry about it until the next update. |
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| 00:30.58 | EruditeHermit | is screen rotate supported with the latest Diablo update? |
| 00:31.54 | GAN800 | outpo.st/rotate |
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| 00:34.18 | EruditeHermit | GAN800: is that better than http://sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 00:34.34 | GAN800 | Up to date, yes. |
| 00:34.46 | GAN800 | They're bith by the same person. |
| 00:35.34 | EruditeHermit | he should take down the old one |
| 00:35.47 | EruditeHermit | or atleast link to it from the new one and say old version |
| 00:36.07 | GAN800 | Well, the new one is still in testing. |
| 00:36.20 | GAN800 | The packaging isn't quite there yet. |
| 00:37.13 | EruditeHermit | GAN800: the 1 click install doesn't work |
| 00:37.25 | EruditeHermit | I don't mind doing it manually |
| 00:37.44 | EruditeHermit | what is the 48MHz patch, and do I want it? |
| 00:37.57 | GAN800 | Right, we need to figure out why Application manager is being uncooperative. |
| 00:37.58 | lcuk | says no |
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| 00:38.13 | GAN800 | lcuk, buy a less shitty sd card. |
| 00:38.25 | GAN800 | Speeds up the SD slots |
| 00:38.38 | GAN800 | May have incompatibility with some cards. |
| 00:38.51 | lcuk | this shitty sd card is core host for liqbase :) its not shitty |
| 00:39.00 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 00:39.03 | EruditeHermit | is it reversible? |
| 00:39.16 | GAN800 | Just flash another kernel. |
| 00:39.29 | EruditeHermit | by clicking on the other package? |
| 00:39.34 | GAN800 | lcuk, well, it doesn't work with 48MHz soooooo |
| 00:39.39 | lcuk | yes, jott installed it on my machien and blocked out the card - he then removed the 44khz patch somehow *hand waving* ;) |
| 00:39.54 | lcuk | 48^ |
| 00:40.00 | GAN800 | MHz |
| 00:40.21 | lcuk | i dont care, it works for me, i still prefer default kernels |
| 00:40.44 | lcuk | then i dont get used to features which arent there and that go missing after upgrade |
| 00:40.51 | GAN800 | shrugs |
| 00:41.11 | EruditeHermit | unable to install xserver-xomap, incompatible application package |
| 00:41.40 | GAN800 | apt-get -f install |
| 00:42.11 | lcuk | GAN800, :) hopefully soon that will be cured by the community distro though |
| 00:42.11 | EruditeHermit | nothing is broken |
| 00:42.29 | EruditeHermit | GAN800: does it require apt-get to install? I was using app man |
| 00:42.57 | GAN800 | Yes, that's why the packaging still needs work. |
| 00:43.18 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 00:44.07 | EruditeHermit | GAN800: does the kernel package automatically flash the kernel? |
| 00:44.14 | EruditeHermit | or do I have to manually flash with fiasco |
| 00:44.28 | GAN800 | It flashes itself |
| 00:44.43 | GAN800 | The goal is to make it as easy as possible. ;) |
| 00:44.54 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 00:45.03 | EruditeHermit | so I just need those 2 things? |
| 00:45.31 | EruditeHermit | if it was click and install it would be cool yes |
| 00:52.42 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
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| 00:52.49 | EruditeHermit | my tablet thinks it is charging |
| 00:52.55 | EruditeHermit | even when it is not connected to the charger |
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| 01:02.09 | dystopia | EruditeHermit: did you feed your tablet alcoholic beverage? |
| 01:02.18 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 01:02.18 | EruditeHermit | no |
| 01:02.37 | dystopia | well, maybe show it who's in charge ;-) |
| 01:06.34 | yacoob | This is interesting. |
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| 01:07.00 | yacoob | Tablet seemed to be dead. Plugged the charger, still dead. Popped the battery, replaced - ok, it's charging. |
| 01:07.11 | yacoob | Closed the battery cover - boom, dead. |
| 01:07.28 | yacoob | Something seems to be happening when I close the cover, it dies instantly. |
| 01:10.07 | yacoob | anyone meet this failure mode before? |
| 01:12.22 | yacoob | ...yes, I also find this silence very disturbing. |
| 01:14.54 | derf | Sounds like a short of some kind. Hope it's still under warranty. |
| 01:16.03 | yacoob | ebay 8) |
| 01:16.29 | yacoob | but yeah, we'll see what will local nokia support say |
| 01:17.09 | lcuk | yacoob, check around the case and where the cover sits and check for any obvious signs of error |
| 01:17.11 | lcuk | is it an 810 |
| 01:17.42 | derf | One of my friends sold his old T20 on e-Bay, listing it as broken (with a similar kind of short), and some Russian still bought it for $300. He was like, "You know this is broken, right?" and the guy writes back, "Da. Will fix." |
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| 01:18.42 | yacoob | yeah, n810 |
| 01:19.53 | lcuk | the metal pins are easily bent out of position and can end up on the wrong side of the structure, try to find online picture of the inside of your battery case and confirm its correct |
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| 01:24.11 | dystopia | derf: :D |
| 01:25.19 | yacoob | tried removing battery and assembling it back with full on-off cycle twice now, still works. I guess it will start spewing yellow frogs at me in the morning |
| 01:25.52 | yacoob | (and, if I test the cover few more times, I'll break something, that's for sure... :) |
| 01:26.38 | dystopia | derf: a T20 isn't that a bit much for 300$ |
| 01:26.56 | derf | dystopia: It was a number of years ago. |
| 01:29.34 | dystopia | actually on ebay you can buy some broken apples, merge them, sell the spare parts, sell the fixed one, and you made a few hunderd bucks |
| 01:30.53 | yacoob | aha, just killed it. |
| 01:30.59 | dystopia | even some nice RISCs |
| 01:31.00 | dystopia | G5 |
| 01:31.49 | dystopia | In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti. |
| 01:32.16 | dystopia | One moment silence, please, our of respect for a dead N810... |
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| 01:40.34 | yacoob | ok, definitely a short |
| 01:41.02 | yacoob | happens when I move the cover down (it's a bit loose) |
| 01:41.27 | yacoob | I was hoping that's the battery being loose, but looks like it's not the case |
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| 01:47.53 | dystopia | so its still alive |
| 01:48.16 | dystopia | when smoke signals start? :0) |
| 01:49.00 | yacoob | thankfully the magic smoke is still in |
| 01:49.19 | dystopia | :-) |
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| 01:50.54 | dystopia | what if you put isolation on the place of the covr, or push the battery? |
| 01:51.16 | dystopia | or put isolation and then the cover |
| 01:51.59 | yacoob | I'm looking at it right now, but tbh I don't see any places where it might actually shortcircuit |
| 01:52.20 | yacoob | or rather - I believe it's in the middle part of the bottom, near the latching mechanism |
| 01:53.30 | dystopia | hm what if you put the cover on, but that part not?:> |
| 01:53.57 | yacoob | expn :) |
| 01:58.51 | dystopia | nn |
| 01:59.01 | dystopia | (good luck, yacoob) |
| 02:02.23 | timeless | anyone seen andre recently? |
| 02:03.19 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, this morning. |
| 02:03.38 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: when I set lifeguard reset on, I still have a reboot loop |
| 02:03.57 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: I resolved all dependencies through ssh |
| 02:04.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 02:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | Was it booting to a desktop or booting to a white screen? |
| 02:04.51 | EruditeHermit | and the tablet works for a while when I disable lifeguard reset but it randomly resets itself |
| 02:05.04 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: it booted to the nokia white screen |
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| 02:05.17 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: it now boots fine when I disable lifeguard reset |
| 02:05.25 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: just that it randomly resets |
| 02:05.33 | EruditeHermit | after varying times |
| 02:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | One of the important processes lifeguard is monitoring isn't starting properly. |
| 02:05.43 | EruditeHermit | 4mins 10mins |
| 02:06.52 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: how do I find out which one? |
| 02:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe installing syslogd |
| 02:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | Did you try an apt-get -f install? |
| 02:08.17 | EruditeHermit | yes |
| 02:08.23 | EruditeHermit | apt-get -f install is all resolved |
| 02:10.19 | EruditeHermit | there is no syslogd package |
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| 02:22.50 | yacoob | hm, might have fixed it. |
| 02:24.43 | yacoob | there are three 'hooks'on the cover - the middle one contacts in two places, near the lock and slightly above. This other place is recessed, so there's a small latch that should contact it |
| 02:25.02 | yacoob | I've bent it slightly, to make sure it does contact. |
| 02:25.30 | yacoob | boots up, survives closing the cover, keyboard slides, whatnot |
| 02:25.35 | yacoob | (or so it seems) |
| 02:25.54 | yacoob | if that's really that small contact, it'd be trivally patchable |
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| 02:26.46 | yacoob | my question is, what does it tries to detect (closing the cover? for what?) and why it was dying when this contact was latching later than the rest |
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| 02:28.00 | yacoob | (from the looks of it, tablet was dying when I pressed the cover down in the area of that small latch, so my guess is that it wasn't contacting in first place, and I made it connect while sliding the keyboard or adjusting the cover) |
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| 02:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | Did the server changeover happen? |
| 02:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | I'm getting 503 on some pages and blistering fast on others. |
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| 02:49.04 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: which package or system is related to power management/battery charging |
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| 02:59.46 | GAN800 | bme/mce/dsme |
| 03:03.20 | andre____ | timeless, andre is around, but will go to sleep very soon |
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| 03:06.11 | andre____ | EruditeHermit, dsme/mce |
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| 03:07.23 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 03:07.29 | EruditeHermit | thanks andre__, GAN800 |
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| 03:18.08 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 03:18.25 | EruditeHermit | I think reinstalling all those packages stopped the constant resetting with lifeguard on |
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| 05:10.05 | mgedmin | waah, the screen of my n810 died :( |
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| 05:16.01 | bef0rd | :( |
| 05:16.05 | bef0rd | what happened? |
| 05:18.49 | EruditeHermit | bef0rd: btw my tablet is working again, the problem was the cable |
| 05:19.07 | EruditeHermit | bef0rd: thanks for your help the other day |
| 05:19.26 | bef0rd | cool, no problem EruditeHermit |
| 05:20.08 | mgedmin | the lcd appears to be cracked, under the topmost plastic layer (which is fine) |
| 05:20.24 | mgedmin | no idea how it happened, it was in my shirt pocket at the time |
| 05:21.05 | mgedmin | without the protective leather case |
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| 05:22.42 | EruditeHermit | mgedmin: can you get a replacement from nokia? |
| 05:22.49 | mgedmin | don't know |
| 05:22.54 | EruditeHermit | mgedmin: call their customer support |
| 05:22.54 | mgedmin | I'm assuming the worst, of course |
| 05:23.09 | mgedmin | *hates* phone calls |
| 05:23.48 | EruditeHermit | they have an online form somewhere too |
| 05:23.56 | mgedmin | I'm currently in the US, but I'm going home to Lithuania in ~10 days |
| 05:24.12 | mgedmin | the device was originally bought in the US |
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| 05:27.32 | EruditeHermit | mgedmin: do you have relatives or someone you know in the US? |
| 05:27.41 | mgedmin | someone I know, yes |
| 05:27.52 | EruditeHermit | mgedmin: I would just have it sent to them and have them mail a repair/replacement part to you |
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| 05:36.52 | mgedmin | orders a new tablet from amazon, just in case |
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| 05:38.02 | fluentis | moin @all |
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| 05:51.41 | solmumaha | morning |
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| 06:31.38 | thux | Stskeeps: what you think is best nit-env for deblet? basic-gnome keyboard unlock keyring window problems |
| 06:32.21 | johnx | lxde is nice |
| 06:32.27 | StsN800 | thux, im not sure yet |
| 06:32.40 | StsN800 | johnx, saw my hildlet post? |
| 06:32.50 | johnx | looks |
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| 06:33.07 | StsN800 | under hack challenges |
| 06:34.47 | thopiekar | hi |
| 06:35.42 | StsN800 | thux, i think adding yourself to sudoers might help for n800 users |
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| 06:36.28 | qwerty12 | StsN800, There's a gconf option where gksu attempts not to be anal retentive by taking over the entire screen |
| 06:36.42 | StsN800 | or that |
| 06:38.15 | thux | ok i try |
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| 06:40.38 | moontiger | whats up with maemo.org |
| 06:40.40 | moontiger | ?? |
| 06:42.26 | StsN800 | hamster in wheel died |
| 06:42.56 | qwerty12 | I suspect StsN800 murdered it. With a bus. |
| 06:43.11 | moontiger | ahhhhh the n770 getting a flash update is it? |
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| 06:45.43 | solmumaha | well at least the error message comes up fast |
| 06:50.49 | moontiger | oh well bedtime for me then :) |
| 06:52.29 | GAN800 | Uknown at the moment. |
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| 07:23.38 | RST38h | good mourning, gentlemen |
| 07:23.49 | RST38h | anything new and exciting? |
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| 07:51.35 | notcoolbuthot | . |
| 07:52.35 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 07:54.51 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:57.52 | RST38h | Mourning, jaffa |
| 07:58.43 | Stskeeps | looks at the pocket loox 720 pda looking lonely at his office and ponders how hildon would work on it |
| 07:59.41 | RST38h | would work less - it is XScale based afaik |
| 08:00.09 | Stskeeps | mm, that good or bad? i guess it would work cos it's arm still? |
| 08:01.03 | RST38h | yep |
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| 08:01.11 | Stskeeps | wb johnx |
| 08:01.26 | RST38h | But the CPU isn't as good as OMAP in terms of power efficiency and (as johnx will probably confirm) performance |
| 08:01.30 | johnx | thanks. my computer's been crashy lately |
| 08:01.33 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 08:01.38 | johnx | RST38h, which one? |
| 08:01.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: got a pocket loox 720 with xscale 400mhz or something laying about in my office doing nothing |
| 08:01.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:01.59 | RST38h | johnx: Pocket Boobs 720 |
| 08:02.43 | johnx | yeah, the armv5 -> armv6 must have been a huge change |
| 08:06.07 | baddu | any DSP guys around? |
| 08:06.47 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:06.52 | Jaffa | Oh, I did that. |
| 08:07.11 | Stskeeps | passes Jaffa the coffee |
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| 08:09.58 | thopiekar | loves Pulseaudio^^ |
| 08:11.25 | Stskeeps | mmcmobile cards are only way to get 2gb storage on 770s? |
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| 08:18.25 | RST38h | Your normal non-HC SD card will hold up to 2GB |
| 08:19.02 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 08:19.18 | Stskeeps | is trying to find the right memory card for a friend with a 770 so |
| 08:19.39 | RST38h | avoid mmcs, try finding a 2GB SD |
| 08:19.55 | Stskeeps | the 770 actually takes SD or? |
| 08:20.00 | Stskeeps | (with optional flash of kernel) |
| 08:20.26 | johnx | Stskeeps, there's a way to wedge them in but it requires modification of the card or the 770 |
| 08:20.48 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:20.56 | Stskeeps | i'd like to avoid that :P |
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| 08:24.10 | johnx | there should be rs-mmc cards as big as 2GB |
| 08:24.26 | Stskeeps | yeah, though they're difficult to find |
| 08:24.33 | RST38h | Oh, 770 takes *RS-MMC* |
| 08:24.38 | RST38h | Sad. |
| 08:25.24 | johnx | I searched for 2GB rs-mmc and found quite a few |
| 08:25.29 | johnx | the prices are lame though |
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| 08:27.35 | lishevita | good morning |
| 08:28.12 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:59.59 | xorAxAx | hmm, does the n810 need arm6 or arm7 |
| 09:00.04 | xorAxAx | (scratchbox toolchain) |
| 09:00.12 | johnx | armv6 |
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| 09:01.49 | xorAxAx | thanks |
| 09:02.45 | johnx | but note that armv7 and arm7 are actually different things |
| 09:02.49 | xorAxAx | ah |
| 09:02.54 | xorAxAx | what is arm7? |
| 09:03.05 | xorAxAx | which one of them do i need? :-P |
| 09:03.05 | johnx | an older ARM |
| 09:03.11 | johnx | what exactly is it asking? |
| 09:03.17 | xorAxAx | well |
| 09:03.26 | xorAxAx | i can choose to install scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm6 and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 |
| 09:03.33 | xorAxAx | (debian package) |
| 09:03.45 | GeneralAntilles | arm6 |
| 09:03.48 | xorAxAx | ok |
| 09:03.55 | GeneralAntilles | It should actually read "armv6" |
| 09:04.10 | GeneralAntilles | arm7 would be for OMAP3 |
| 09:04.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you ever have luck making a debian armel scratchbox (contrary to a maemo scratchbox) |
| 09:04.20 | johnx | I figured that was the case, but I didn't want to lead him astray |
| 09:04.38 | johnx | Stskeeps, never. I gave up essentially. |
| 09:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, yes, I know _you_ know. ;) |
| 09:04.56 | RST38h | armv* and arm* are two different things |
| 09:05.03 | RST38h | armv* is an architecture, arm* is a basic part name |
| 09:05.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, i have a armel qemu myself building stuff :P |
| 09:05.23 | johnx | Stskeeps, I should try sb2 again, actually |
| 09:05.38 | mikkov_ | Downloads have gone up for almost all applications. Failed SSUs at play ;) |
| 09:05.46 | johnx | but yeah, I'm also working on getting qemu working on "my" build box (really my friend's spare server) |
| 09:06.23 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ works every time for me.. and when apt-get dist-upgrade, copy out /boot/initrd* and vmlinuz and use those too |
| 09:07.09 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, that's what I'm using...but my friend's box is gentoo and I'm having trouble building gcc3 so I can build qemu, so I can give it a try on his machine |
| 09:07.13 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:07.20 | johnx | stabs gentoo |
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| 09:08.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: i was kinda shocked how neat mb-keyboard integrated into hildon when running.. has to be able to make some funny tricks based on that |
| 09:08.15 | Stskeeps | made normal x apps a lot more usable |
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| 09:08.28 | RST38h | moo, zap |
| 09:08.43 | RST38h | johnx: install ubuntu |
| 09:08.46 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Well, it is just the weekly stats update ;) |
| 09:08.47 | johnx | Stskeeps, well hildon is just matchbox+status bar |
| 09:08.51 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 09:09.02 | Stskeeps | what's the real DPI of the screen anyhow? |
| 09:09.05 | johnx | RST38h, that could be somewhat problematic on technical and social levels... |
| 09:09.07 | Stskeeps | since the font sizes are .. insane |
| 09:09.11 | johnx | 225 dpi |
| 09:09.15 | Stskeeps | k |
| 09:09.20 | RST38h | johnx: you mean, Japanese *care*? |
| 09:09.42 | johnx | RST38h, the build box is in Canada. that's the technical issue |
| 09:09.44 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: but look at the graphs |
| 09:09.59 | RST38h | knows he doesn't, as long as damn OS does not require constant tinkering |
| 09:10.11 | RST38h | johnx: oh |
| 09:10.21 | mikkov_ | download count per week has gone slightly up |
| 09:10.37 | RST38h | download counts are bogus |
| 09:10.55 | RST38h | depend on when somebody at the mothership manually imports repo download data |
| 09:11.02 | X-Fade | RST38h: These ones aren't. I get the actual stats from the caching network. |
| 09:11.23 | RST38h | X-Fade; Ah! You mean this now works for everybody at Garage? =) |
| 09:11.41 | johnx | Stskeeps, if you give the real dpi to Xomap things start making more sense |
| 09:11.43 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, you should have your stuff in Extras ;) |
| 09:11.55 | RST38h | does |
| 09:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can you fix this: http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ ? |
| 09:12.04 | RST38h | so theoretically it should work |
| 09:12.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well, then your stats should be available :) |
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| 09:12.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What needs fixing? |
| 09:13.12 | RST38h | images do not show up |
| 09:13.14 | RST38h | neither of two logos |
| 09:13.30 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787 add the SVG and a reasonably sized PNG there. |
| 09:13.32 | X-Fade | Hmm I see them. |
| 09:13.38 | Stskeeps | johnx: apt-get install locales, install en_GB UTF-8 is the trick to get proper titles on things btw |
| 09:13.56 | GeneralAntilles | We should also add the favicon and some other variants, but those need to be gathered. |
| 09:14.01 | RST38h | Weird: they show up in FireFox but not IE |
| 09:14.05 | johnx | Stskeeps, sounds familiar. good to know |
| 09:14.10 | RST38h | I may have proxies misconfigured... |
| 09:15.02 | X-Fade | RST38h: It doesn't work for me in IE too. |
| 09:15.09 | X-Fade | Very weird. |
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| 09:15.41 | RST38h | BTW, in spite of hardware upgrade, maemo.org is still dead slow whenever a db operation is involved |
| 09:15.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It links to https. |
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| 09:16.07 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Don't do that ;) |
| 09:16.16 | RST38h | Has anyone considered looking at incoming SQL quesrioes and how db executes them instead of simply adding more power? |
| 09:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I didn't do anything. |
| 09:16.25 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Who did that page? |
| 09:16.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: know of other open source themes btw? i'm kinda wondering what licenses/deriatives/dependancies some of the tablet themes people do have |
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| 09:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | That's all Peter's fault. I'm just playing fire fighter (as usual :P). ;) |
| 09:16.49 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'm not sure anyone knows O_o |
| 09:17.07 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You are admin. Fix it :D |
| 09:17.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: LCARS should be first priority.. ;> |
| 09:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | If Bugzilla would just accept this damn png. . . . |
| 09:18.12 | X-Fade | RST38h: Mysql with 250 connections. You know what happens ;) |
| 09:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, put the last two attachments from http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787 wherever images should go on the server. |
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| 09:18.32 | RST38h | XFade: Urgh |
| 09:18.37 | X-Fade | RST38h: A reasonable amount of cpus is needed for that. |
| 09:18.47 | X-Fade | RST38h: And at the moment, it isn't reasonable. |
| 09:19.00 | RST38h | Still, I would at least look at the queries and how MySQL executes them |
| 09:19.19 | RST38h | Because otherwise, you may be fighting an uphill battle |
| 09:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 09:20.22 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, true. But they don't seem to be that complex. |
| 09:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | wishes dneary had gathered all this up around the time of the end of the logo contest. :P |
| 09:20.39 | RST38h | XFade: They don't have to be, that is the "beauty" of RDBMS |
| 09:21.05 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well, I wouldn't call mysql that advanced ;) |
| 09:21.05 | RST38h | XFade: A simple join, when executed without proper caution, will bring your RDBMS down |
| 09:21.45 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: ? |
| 09:21.45 | RST38h | MySQL is relatively good nowadays, but do not trust it to optimize stuff for you beyond simple query rewrites |
| 09:21.47 | dneary | gathered all what? |
| 09:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, hunting down logo stuff for http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ |
| 09:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | Do we have an svg of the favicon? |
| 09:22.35 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: I have a bunch of stuff on trademark policies |
| 09:22.38 | RST38h | So, I would log all the queries + information on how MySQL executes it (something similar to EXPLAIN operator in Postgress) |
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| 09:22.44 | dneary | But I had understood it was a Nokia thing |
| 09:22.54 | dneary | I'm involved in that discussion |
| 09:23.03 | RST38h | + timing data of course, to see just what exactly is worth optimizing |
| 09:24.01 | X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, but I'd like to see some modern power first. I can do micro optimizations, but the base should be ok. |
| 09:24.23 | RST38h | XFade: Oh, I would not raise it if it were a micro optimization |
| 09:24.59 | RST38h | XFade: What I am talking about is stuff like join of unindexed values - no amount of extra hardware will help you fix these |
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| 09:25.18 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, I just want the various logo files, not any policy stuff. |
| 09:25.30 | X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, but that is pretty much covered already. This is being used in quite a few production environments. |
| 09:25.41 | RST38h | mm...ok |
| 09:25.51 | dneary | ah |
| 09:25.58 | dneary | I got all that stuff piecemeal |
| 09:26.17 | X-Fade | RST38h: Same stuff: http://www.tkk.fi/en/index.html |
| 09:26.17 | RST38h | The way it (Midgard) works makes it kinda hard to believe that this thing is used in production, but if you say so... |
| 09:26.24 | X-Fade | RST38h: And they are fast. |
| 09:26.27 | dneary | and with some of the revisions I'm still not sure if I have the proper versions (there was the small R version, the big R version, etc) |
| 09:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can I just attach images through the Asgard interface for that page? |
| 09:26.46 | RST38h | XFade: TKK does not appear to have that much of dynamic data |
| 09:27.03 | X-Fade | RST38h: Try a static page on maemo.org ;) |
| 09:27.09 | RST38h | Most of its pages can be stored statically |
| 09:27.23 | RST38h | XFade: Yes, but maemo.org has got a shitload of dynamic stuff now =) |
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| 09:27.40 | RST38h | Static stuff at maemo.org is of no concern |
| 09:27.43 | X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, but it has object caches for that. |
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| 09:27.55 | crashanddie | anyone had hands on with the Nokia 5800 ? |
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| 09:28.19 | RST38h | XFade: I kinda doubt they work on maemo.org for typical usage cases (i.e. browsing dynamically created pages why logged in) |
| 09:28.31 | Robot101 | X-Fade: you pinged me yesterday? |
| 09:28.34 | RST38h | crash: Still no demo samples at local Nokia stor |
| 09:28.47 | RST38h | s/why/when/ |
| 09:29.14 | X-Fade | Robot101: Yes, I wanted to know who was running the Collabora repository ;) |
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| 09:29.35 | RST38h | would also like to know that |
| 09:29.52 | RST38h | To figure out what the status of Collabora Pidgin packages is |
| 09:30.23 | Robot101 | one of jonnylamb, wjt or smcv on #telepathy |
| 09:30.25 | X-Fade | Robot101: And wanted to ask if those packages could be moved to Extras. |
| 09:30.42 | Robot101 | I think one of the Nokians was already doing that |
| 09:31.05 | crashanddie | the interface seems a bit sluggish |
| 09:31.08 | X-Fade | Robot101: And after that, if the repository could be closed ofcourse. |
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| 09:34.57 | deadlyllama | wonders if anyone here knows how the big black "Charging" screen on the 770 works |
| 09:35.21 | deadlyllama | and more importantly, how to turn it off (want my 770 to boot normally when I apply power to the charging port) |
| 09:37.50 | johnx | if it's the same as the n8x0 it starts an x server and displays that animation |
| 09:38.27 | johnx | I don't know what's reponsible for choosing what it does at boot though |
| 09:39.03 | deadlyllama | initfs/linuxrc decides if it will display the splash screen based on /proc/bootreason (which can have the value "charger") plus if it was booted in "ACTDEAD" mode |
| 09:39.37 | deadlyllama | but then the X session comes up and the charging screen appears and I can't work out how to make networking come up then so it's a bit difficult to ssh in and poke around and see what's happening :-( |
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| 09:41.44 | deadlyllama | and I see no obviously named binaries that look obviously like a "display charging screen" app |
| 09:47.30 | deadlyllama | if there was some way to hack something to change /proc/bootreason that would probably also do the trick... |
| 09:47.40 | RST38h | crash: 5800 interface? |
| 09:48.10 | xorAxAx | when i am using the debian etch devkit, apt-get update doesnt find the package lists ... should i choose lenny? |
| 09:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | Can anybody make sense of the sidebar on this page? http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ |
| 09:50.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'm entirely at a lot. |
| 09:50.05 | GeneralAntilles | s/lot/loss/ |
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| 09:50.55 | RST38h | GAN: What is the problem? |
| 09:51.17 | RST38h | It is a tree, the active item is at the second level |
| 09:51.26 | RST38h | The whole path in the tree is highlighted |
| 09:51.32 | xorAxAx | hmm, and when selecting lenny, any package installation will upgrade your libc |
| 09:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, try clicking the "active" item. |
| 09:51.57 | RST38h | xor: because just about any package compiled from C code will depend on a particular libc |
| 09:52.03 | xorAxAx | RST38h: yes |
| 09:52.06 | xorAxAx | sure |
| 09:52.09 | RST38h | GAN: hehe |
| 09:52.16 | xorAxAx | but i wonder what the sanest choice of a devkit is |
| 09:53.42 | RST38h | GAN: You know what it may be? There may be an extra menu item Logos which does not show up for some reason. Lemme check the source code |
| 09:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the hierarchy in the administrative interface makes sense. |
| 09:54.14 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't have a clue how to use Asgard. |
| 09:54.35 | RST38h | The HTML code looks pretty sane, so it has to be a problem in the Midgard |
| 09:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | "<p>\n</p>" classy |
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| 09:56.30 | xorAxAx | RST38h: i just need python2.5 in my arm6 scracthbox |
| 09:56.52 | RST38h | xor: You do not need scratchbox for python |
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| 09:59.28 | RST38h | xor: Just write python stuff wherever you want, scp it to the tablet, and run it there. |
| 10:01.25 | xorAxAx | RST38h: yeah, probably. how do i get a working sources.list? the debian/maemo3 devkits give me a sources.list that is 404 |
| 10:01.58 | xorAxAx | (its using armel/sarge which doesnt seem to work) |
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| 10:04.15 | RST38h | I do not know but what you are saying indicates that your SDK installation is messedup |
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| 10:12.17 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, ping. |
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| 11:47.47 | RST38h | moo, johnx |
| 11:48.21 | lcuk | :D i saw cows playin king of the hill last night |
| 11:48.22 | johnx | m00f |
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| 11:49.37 | johnx | it's been overheating |
| 11:49.42 | johnx | and crashing my computer |
| 11:49.48 | johnx | just like a second ago |
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| 11:50.04 | lcuk | oooer, have you checked it for dust bunnies n stuff |
| 11:50.07 | lcuk | or just winging it |
| 11:50.47 | johnx | as long as I don't do anything graphically intensive it's fine |
| 11:50.58 | johnx | but yeah, the problem is it's one of those fanless ones |
| 11:51.04 | johnx | worked fine for a year but now it's screwing up |
| 11:51.07 | johnx | back in a sec |
| 11:51.38 | RST38h | lcuk: were there bovine casualties? |
| 11:51.58 | RST38h | johnx: It seems to be a reason enough to ask for a new one |
| 11:52.09 | RST38h | or buy a new one if it is in home computer |
| 11:53.04 | johnx | yeah, I'd have to buy a new one. it's out of warranty (and out of the country I bought it in anyways...) |
| 11:53.21 | johnx | or I could buy a new, cheap fan to blow on it and try and get another 6 months of use out of it |
| 11:53.38 | Stskeeps | should really learn how to solder.. |
| 11:54.20 | lcuk | RST38h, there werent any casualties that i saw - but there was a small grassy knoll about 15foot high and about 6 cows jossling up to get onto the top - people all around were laughin :D we missed the traffic lights changing cos of it :$ |
| 11:58.21 | RST38h | wonders what they found there. Was that some holy ground? Or an altar of some bovine god? |
| 11:58.48 | RST38h | Or maybe just a patch of magic grass they use to get high?> |
| 11:58.53 | lcuk | i dunno, but its the same with anything, once one starts the rest dont wanna miss out |
| 11:59.16 | RST38h | just like stock brokers, ain't they? |
| 11:59.34 | lcuk | yer, except most stock brokers dont have udders |
| 12:00.04 | RST38h | too bad for them, last opportunity for employment is slipping away =) |
| 12:00.09 | crashanddie | they will have udders in a few days |
| 12:00.15 | crashanddie | being milked as much as they are now |
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| 13:44.15 | mrgreaper | hi i need a bit of help with deblet and found this irc channel on there forum can anyone lend a hand please? |
| 13:44.59 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: indeed, what's up? |
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| 13:45.42 | mrgreaper | ah cool, well i got it installed all perfectly fine (for a linux newb like me thats no mean feat lol) but i cant see how to teather it to my mobile |
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| 13:46.27 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: ah, that's a bit of a complicated issue :P usually it is a bit easier on linux but there's one of the programs people usually use that doesn't work for some reason. |
| 13:46.38 | mrgreaper | at home the wifi works fine but for work i need to teather it via bluetooth to use my mobile phone |
| 13:46.54 | Stskeeps | have you managed to make it pair yet or? |
| 13:47.05 | mrgreaper | i have no idea how lol |
| 13:47.20 | mrgreaper | the old n800 os did it all automaticly |
| 13:47.32 | Stskeeps | yeah, - we're still a work in progress :) |
| 13:48.03 | mrgreaper | so no bluetooth mobile support? |
| 13:48.31 | Stskeeps | well, i discovered this but it's not really newbie friendly, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221269&postcount=16 |
| 13:48.40 | Stskeeps | but you can install this package.. sec |
| 13:50.22 | smyows | i have pidgin for msn, but is very slowly... have another msn (more faster) for os2008? |
| 13:50.49 | aquatix | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 13:50.54 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: apt-get install bluez-gnome |
| 13:50.58 | aquatix | integrates into the default IM thing |
| 13:51.30 | mrgreaper | i cant seem to find the software instalation browser |
| 13:51.39 | aquatix | smyows: hm, i installed it slightly differently than on that page though |
| 13:51.40 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: but, just to put things in perspective, we've been working on this since june : |
| 13:51.55 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: so nothing is polished.. and we're hoping to make things a little more shiny and easier to work with |
| 13:52.00 | thux | tried keblet and choosed kdm didn't do autologin, and no keyboard on login window... |
| 13:52.10 | Stskeeps | thux: apt-get install tablet-kdm-autologin |
| 13:52.19 | thux | ah |
| 13:52.33 | mrgreaper | ah dont get me wrong i like the look of it (though bluetooth teathering on a mobile tablet should be an essentiallol) |
| 13:52.36 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: open a x terminal and su with your root password, and apt-get insatll bluez-gnome |
| 13:52.43 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.17 | mrgreaper | ok one sec |
| 13:53.19 | johnx | mrgreaper, many of the people working on and using deblet tend to just use the command line... |
| 13:53.21 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: and yeah, that's one reason why i don't use deblet constantly myself yet :P |
| 13:55.05 | Stskeeps | thux, mrgreaper: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23371&page=6 <- (look at screenshots), anything you might be interested in? |
| 13:56.22 | mrgreaper | looks more familier :) |
| 13:56.46 | mrgreaper | a smaller onscreen keyboard would be nice :) |
| 13:56.59 | mrgreaper | (i use a n800) |
| 13:57.07 | Stskeeps | yeah, well, that one was just cos hildon-input-method isn't that friendly towards non-hildon apps |
| 13:57.18 | Stskeeps | wonders how difficult it would be to make hildon-input-method go for active window instead.. |
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| 13:57.39 | L0cutus | http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00666 |
| 13:57.44 | L0cutus | really small ;-) |
| 13:57.55 | L0cutus | but pretty usable with some training |
| 13:57.57 | mrgreaper | ok the x-terminal is done but i see no new apps? |
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| 13:58.54 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: write bluetooth-applet |
| 13:58.58 | mrgreaper | l0cutus i get awway with my n800 at work as it looks like a phone :) add a keyboard and when i get supervisor visit they may get suss nice though |
| 13:58.58 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: write bluetooth-applet & |
| 14:00.10 | mrgreaper | i get an error .. |
| 14:00.20 | L0cutus | hehehe |
| 14:00.32 | mrgreaper | cant get session bus: did not recieve reply |
| 14:00.58 | mrgreaper | restart the tablet ? or is that a wndows nly fix lol |
| 14:01.42 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: /etc/init.d/bluetooth start and try again |
| 14:01.46 | Stskeeps | wel |
| 14:01.54 | mrgreaper | rebooting lol |
| 14:01.57 | Stskeeps | do that and "exit", and the bluetooth-applet & |
| 14:01.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:02.08 | thux | Stskeeps: tablet-kdm-autologin is installed |
| 14:02.59 | thux | but still doesn't do autologin |
| 14:02.59 | Stskeeps | thux: hm, and that doesnt work? |
| 14:03.16 | mrgreaper | one other feedback while its booting the keyboard really needs a click or little noise when you tap a go ...just feels wierd with out it lol |
| 14:03.18 | Stskeeps | admittedly i haven't tested keblet after the whole reconfiguration |
| 14:03.31 | thux | ok |
| 14:03.40 | Stskeeps | thux: is it kde3 or kde4? |
| 14:04.31 | Stskeeps | thux: feel free to track down why it doesn't work |
| 14:05.49 | Stskeeps | thux: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/main/tablet-kdm-autologin is source of package |
| 14:07.05 | X-Fade | lcuk: Invitation sent... |
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| 14:07.29 | mrgreaper | bluetooth manager has loaded up |
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| 14:07.50 | mrgreaper | tell me i dont have to do that every tie lol |
| 14:08.03 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: nah, just once, afaik :P |
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| 14:08.47 | mrgreaper | clicking bluetiith manager seems to do nawt though |
| 14:09.17 | mrgreaper | having a bad keyboard day lol |
| 14:09.43 | mrgreaper | found how to get preferences up |
| 14:09.57 | Stskeeps | hehe.. it's not easy sadly |
| 14:10.09 | Stskeeps | you start to appreciate all the work nokia has done for os2008 at times |
| 14:11.51 | crashanddie | iGo stopped making keyboards? |
| 14:12.07 | Stskeeps | tries to compile advanced backlight for deblet. |
| 14:12.35 | crashanddie | mrgreaper, naught |
| 14:12.58 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I can't fathom why. |
| 14:13.05 | mrgreaper | ok i can connect to th n800 from my phone but i dont see how to connect the n800 to the internet thrugh the phone? |
| 14:13.14 | mrgreaper | crashanddie ? |
| 14:13.17 | GeneralAntilles | They bought ThinkOutside and killed the keyboards a year later. |
| 14:13.29 | crashanddie | mrgreaper, "seems to do nawt" |
| 14:13.32 | crashanddie | it's naught, or nought |
| 14:13.33 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: did you hold down the cursor on the icon? |
| 14:13.44 | mrgreaper | ah im dyslexic :) |
| 14:13.54 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, And absolutely no reference on the website or nothing, quite frustrating, really |
| 14:14.14 | mrgreaper | i have preferences about and sendfile |
| 14:14.29 | mrgreaper | preferences i set it to visable found it and paired |
| 14:14.41 | mrgreaper | but nothing referencing dun |
| 14:14.44 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, and it would seem, from Google, that the only product they were known for was the keyboard... |
| 14:15.03 | mrgreaper | my phone is now in bonded devices though |
| 14:15.08 | crashanddie | mrgreaper, dyslexic != lazy |
| 14:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yeah, bizarre. |
| 14:15.23 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: try my instructions in the post earlier then |
| 14:15.38 | mrgreaper | nope crashand die dyslexic means learning disabled :) |
| 14:16.21 | mrgreaper | which one? the scary forum link you posted? |
| 14:16.25 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:16.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:16.33 | mrgreaper | *gulp* |
| 14:16.43 | Stskeeps | i'm not going to lie to you, this isn't the easiest thing in the world |
| 14:16.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:17.32 | mrgreaper | really ought to put in knownissues "hard to connect to the internet through a phone" lol |
| 14:17.34 | RST38h | Hurrah! New Pidgin is in! |
| 14:17.55 | mrgreaper | i think tonight i will use joikuspot |
| 14:18.47 | crashanddie | mrgreaper, my definition is closer to the brain having problems with processing graphic symbols, but whatever bloats your goat I guess |
| 14:18.56 | mrgreaper | one last question before i go to have quite sob, where is the software installer ? do i have to call it up from the terminal |
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| 14:19.09 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: you may be able to install synaptic or alike |
| 14:19.29 | mrgreaper | ah i think my ubuntu server uses that |
| 14:19.32 | Stskeeps | apt-get is the basic software installer |
| 14:19.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:19.40 | mrgreaper | but it was pre insalled |
| 14:19.58 | mrgreaper | lol so how do i browse with apt-get? |
| 14:20.11 | johnx | try aptitude for browsing |
| 14:20.11 | crashanddie | mrgreaper, apt-cache search [PKGNAME] |
| 14:20.17 | Stskeeps | http://packages.debian.org/testing/ is good as well |
| 14:20.27 | Stskeeps | we dont have one for deblet itself just yet, but yeah, aptitude |
| 14:21.06 | mrgreaper | ummmm ok.... how do i install synaptic...im guessing its not as ssimple as apt-get install synaptic |
| 14:21.12 | Stskeeps | sure it is |
| 14:21.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:21.16 | Stskeeps | why wouldn't it be? :P |
| 14:21.25 | mrgreaper | O_o ah ok |
| 14:22.18 | mrgreaper | oh and incase you didnt know what joikuspot is http://www.joikuspot.com/ (not ideal but will allow me to use the net at work tonight as im close to a plug socket lol) |
| 14:22.22 | Stskeeps | wonders why advanced-backlight depends on hildon-control-panel-dev |
| 14:23.45 | mrgreaper | wishes the keyboard would beep when he tapped the screen |
| 14:23.56 | Stskeeps | it would in hildon :P |
| 14:24.11 | Stskeeps | i hate that cos i use my tablet in lectures so |
| 14:24.41 | mrgreaper | misses hildon and curses the guy that told him this has print support (whole reason for changing) |
| 14:24.54 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 14:25.04 | mrgreaper | synaptic apears to be installing |
| 14:25.23 | mrgreaper | i couldnt print from the default diablo os |
| 14:25.53 | mrgreaper | somone posted in my thread that deblet has print support so i thought what the hell lets try it lol |
| 14:26.16 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, lol, you have a pocket loox 720 as well? |
| 14:26.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: at my work, yeah |
| 14:26.39 | Stskeeps | we have tonnes of gadgets |
| 14:26.50 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: well it has as much print support as any other linux os.. |
| 14:27.14 | qwerty12 | Lol, I blew the backlight on mine & it gets *really* hot in 10 mins >.<. I remember using some form of linux on it |
| 14:27.17 | mrgreaper | problem with synaptic |
| 14:27.53 | mrgreaper | i loaded it its asking me for a pssword and the rest of the screen is inactive including onscreen keyboard |
| 14:29.24 | mrgreaper | think i might just have to reformat the card and go back to os2008 :( |
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| 14:30.03 | qwerty12 | For that lol? install gconf-editor, and look around in /apps/gksu. I found a gconf value that stopped it from taking over the entire screen |
| 14:30.12 | RST38h | "A.I.G. executives threw a $440,000 party for themselves a week after the government bailed them out to the tune of $85 billion." |
| 14:30.15 | RST38h | Hehehehe |
| 14:30.24 | qwerty12 | in the end I set that and i made it use sudo as backend and set myself as ALL: NOPASSWD |
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| 14:30.35 | mrgreaper | tis a shame, it looks nice too i mean the browser seems much nicer then the inbuilt one i prefer the gui looks really nice |
| 14:31.01 | Stskeeps | mrgreaper: write "synaptic" under su in x-terminal |
| 14:31.13 | mrgreaper | one sec |
| 14:31.48 | mrgreaper | your a genuis |
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| 14:32.46 | mrgreaper | i assume anything in there will work for the tablet (with in reason) |
| 14:32.48 | Stskeeps | no, just insane |
| 14:32.53 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:33.30 | mrgreaper | cool ill play around with it tonight (for as long as i can) no batterie meter makes life interesting lol |
| 14:35.39 | mrgreaper | right thankyou for your help (i have bookmarked that weblink with all the gibberish ...errr ...i mean script lol) |
| 14:36.09 | mrgreaper | when is the next version of deblet due and do you have to reflash each time like with the nokia one? |
| 14:36.28 | johnx | just a note mrgreaper, stuff you find in synaptic is not guaranteed to work very well. most of it will work to some degree, but you might have to launch it from the terminal in some cases |
| 14:36.50 | mrgreaper | i hate that terminal :( |
| 14:36.59 | Stskeeps | it's powerful and painful |
| 14:36.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:37.19 | mrgreaper | if i said i wish nokia had gone the windows way would you all end up hating me ? |
| 14:37.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 14:37.36 | johnx | nah, we just wouldn't be here working on this |
| 14:37.36 | mrgreaper | i shant say it then lol |
| 14:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's a non sensical thing to say. |
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| 14:37.57 | johnx | mrgreaper, you might want to look for something running windows mobile in that case |
| 14:38.03 | mrgreaper | im sure ill get the hang of it eventualy |
| 14:38.41 | mrgreaper | to be fair the n800 does exactly ehat i need it to its when i want to do more then i need it starts to let me down |
| 14:39.04 | johnx | it's when you want it to do more that you need to put in a bit of your own time/effort. :) |
| 14:39.18 | Stskeeps | johnx: windows mobile tends to make people want to hack their devices with linux though |
| 14:39.21 | Stskeeps | .. i'm not sure why though |
| 14:39.33 | lardman | where in the case of windows you could hope someone had already done so and pay them for their code? |
| 14:39.36 | johnx | Stskeeps, because the grass is always greener... |
| 14:40.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: i guess the nokia is kinda interesting cos it's people hacking linux on to a .. linux device |
| 14:40.08 | lardman | johnx: can't be much less green than Windows CE/Mobile/whatever it's called though ;) |
| 14:40.10 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nah, on my ppc, linux sucked more than wm2003se |
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| 14:40.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: you had a pocket loox too or? :P |
| 14:40.26 | mrgreaper | im pretty confident diablet will be better once its more polished (dont get me wrong i like it specialy how easy it is to read the browser and looks like i can add firefox extensions to it (not tried yet) |
| 14:40.27 | lardman | qwerty12: pm stuff? |
| 14:40.27 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yep |
| 14:40.33 | manyoso | is opera even available for N810 anymore? |
| 14:40.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i was thinking to port deblet ;> |
| 14:40.41 | qwerty12 | lardman, ? |
| 14:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | manyoso, it never was. |
| 14:40.48 | lardman | power management |
| 14:41.06 | Stskeeps | diablet? oh, burn |
| 14:41.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:41.34 | mrgreaper | sorry deblet |
| 14:41.40 | manyoso | GeneralAntilles: does the browser still have the ability to switch engines then? |
| 14:41.41 | mrgreaper | damn dyslexia |
| 14:41.44 | qwerty12 | lardman, the interface etc was much more harder to use + it was booted from windows rather than being flashed so after a hard reset, i'd return to a wiped wm2003se |
| 14:41.58 | manyoso | or was that generic feature removed when opera stopped supporting |
| 14:42.17 | GeneralAntilles | manyoso, sure. |
| 14:42.24 | mrgreaper | right im off to kill things before work (in a game of course) |
| 14:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's not gonna be fun setting up WebKit to work with EAL, though. |
| 14:42.41 | mrgreaper | thnx again for the help even if i have gone cross eyed on some of it |
| 14:42.44 | lardman | qwerty12: alright |
| 14:42.50 | mrgreaper | bye |
| 14:43.00 | manyoso | GeneralAntilles: i've compiled a dummy eal, but the browser app is not seeing this engine |
| 14:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | manyoso, I don't know the specifics. I'd try maemo-developers for details. |
| 14:44.13 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe poke timeless if he's around in here. |
| 14:44.14 | qwerty12 | manyoso, play around with the settings. I think the menu to switch engines is hidden in a config file in ~ somewhere and also in gconf. I must add though, that I've never gotten the menu to show up. |
| 14:44.32 | lcuk | x-fade, thanks :) not quite ready for it yet but should be in extras-devel soon enough |
| 14:45.31 | lcuk | kicks crashanddie for screwing with his locations and scripts for packaging :P |
| 14:46.03 | crashanddie | did I? :-° |
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| 14:46.40 | manyoso | qwerty12: ok |
| 14:47.35 | Stskeeps | advanced-backlight people, you have a bashism in your postinst: if [ "$VERSION" == "18" ] |
| 14:47.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:50.35 | zwnj | hi there |
| 14:50.43 | zwnj | is 4.2008.23-14 the latest diablo for n800? |
| 14:51.05 | qwerty12 | 4.2008.36-5 is |
| 14:51.21 | qwerty12 | Update an tablet already running diablo with the application manager |
| 14:51.31 | qwerty12 | or use the windows flasher to flash directly to that version |
| 14:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, go file a bug about 36-5 and tablets-dev. |
| 14:53.48 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, It's nothing major to me. Though NOLS is :> |
| 14:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | Dooooo iiiiiit. |
| 14:54.36 | qwerty12 | Bruv, make me yeh |
| 14:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | equips Banhammer of Coercion +6 :P |
| 14:56.31 | qwerty12 | runs, aiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:56.48 | Sargun_Screen | media player is being evil |
| 14:57.12 | qwerty12 | I have an aversion to bugzilla, I've only ever filed one bug in my life (on anything) :P |
| 14:57.40 | Sargun_Screen | qwerty12: filing bugs is for pansies. |
| 14:57.51 | Sargun_Screen | real men hack the code |
| 14:58.11 | johnx | Sargun_Screen, good luck with media player (in terms of hacking the code) |
| 14:58.37 | Sargun_Screen | hehe. its playing all the music I hate |
| 14:58.37 | zwnj | qwerty12: i couldn't find it on tablets-dev.nokia.com . should i look for it in n810 section? |
| 14:58.50 | Sargun_Screen | well, qwerty12 can do it |
| 14:59.10 | qwerty12 | zwnj, alas, it's only available to people using the windows flasher :( |
| 14:59.23 | qwerty12 | Sargun_Screen, if only... I'm having trouble reading x86 asm |
| 14:59.53 | qwerty12 | I gave up on armasm long before I got a tablet :P |
| 15:00.10 | Sargun_Screen | its ok, you can hack at the machine code ;-P |
| 15:00.27 | Sargun_Screen | we have C, you know? |
| 15:00.50 | Sargun_Screen | wonders what audio decoder maemo uses |
| 15:01.40 | zwnj | qwerty12: thanks. so i'm going to get SSU with 4.2008.23-14, and try to upgrade it later. |
| 15:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | jott, ping. |
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| 15:07.17 | slonopotamus | hi everybody |
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| 15:11.10 | Stskeeps | curses hildon packaging |
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| 15:11.44 | slonopotamus | any ideas where to get libxml2-dev 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4? |
| 15:12.15 | qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libx/libxml2/ |
| 15:12.38 | johnx | Stskeeps, I did that a while ago |
| 15:12.39 | lopz | hola |
| 15:14.19 | slonopotamus | somehow google could not find that... thanks, qwerty |
| 15:14.37 | qwerty12 | np |
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| 15:18.04 | slonopotamus | ))) |
| 15:18.05 | slonopotamus | funny quit message |
| 15:18.06 | slonopotamus | 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 is greater than 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4? |
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| 15:20.49 | slonopotamus | is it possible to apt-get specific package version (not latest)? |
| 15:20.49 | slonopotamus | let's vote for _removing_ 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 from extras-devel. it doesn't make any sence because conflicts with osso-software-version |
| 15:21.19 | qwerty12 | apt-get install something=some.version afaik |
| 15:21.37 | slonopotamus | =? |
| 15:21.42 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: It actually does make sense. |
| 15:21.57 | X-Fade | You use a package from the sdk repo, which is not to be used on the device. |
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| 15:22.33 | X-Fade | You should be using a package which is available for the tablet. In this case the one from extras-devel ;) |
| 15:22.47 | slonopotamus | i can't |
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| 15:23.09 | slonopotamus | bla-bla-maemo1 conflicts with osso-software-version |
| 15:23.21 | slonopotamus | and it is in extras-devel |
| 15:23.40 | slonopotamus | but diablo has bla-bla-osso4 |
| 15:23.52 | slonopotamus | which is in diablo/sdk repo |
| 15:24.28 | X-Fade | Yeah, but that is a build depend. Not an install depend. |
| 15:25.04 | slonopotamus | and so what? how i am supposed to install libxml2-dev on tablet? |
| 15:26.02 | X-Fade | Are you building something _on_ the device? |
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| 15:27.33 | qwerty12 | The windows flasher is a sly mofo. Instead of downloading to %TEMP%, it downloads to IE's cache folder |
| 15:28.28 | lcuk | X-Fade, dont make it sound like its a bad thing, on device development lets you get a better grasp of your intended target |
| 15:28.31 | lcuk | :P |
| 15:29.01 | mikkov_ | if you install libxml2 in scratchbox with "apt-get install libxml2-dev" it will install newer version than in sdk, and resulting binaries will also depend on newer libxml than from official repo? |
| 15:29.03 | X-Fade | lcuk: I was only going to suggest that in that case he'd better go with osso-software-version-unlocked. |
| 15:29.04 | lcuk | and it saves you having to install scratchbox and stuff |
| 15:29.44 | lcuk | agreed on that score x |
| 15:29.53 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Well, that is something we as a community haven't really had a discussion on. |
| 15:29.53 | lcuk | runs back to work anyway |
| 15:30.07 | X-Fade | mikkov_: We might want to setup some ground rules for that ;) |
| 15:31.20 | mikkov_ | when some other packages have been "replaced" they have used different name |
| 15:31.52 | Stskeeps | ~curse maemo-gtk |
| 15:31.53 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo-gtk ! |
| 15:34.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: what could possibly go wrong if i made stock deblet gtk be maemo gtk? |
| 15:34.56 | johnx | hmmm |
| 15:35.47 | johnx | Stskeeps, a lot of breakage ... potentially? |
| 15:36.07 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 15:37.22 | Stskeeps | really wonders why they didn't do something along the lines of a wrapper for gtk |
| 15:38.10 | johnx | actually, they could have made most of the changes in a gtk theme I think |
| 15:38.47 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 15:38.52 | X-Fade | johnx: But where would one put the tap-and-hold stuff etc ;) |
| 15:39.02 | johnx | X-Fade, as a gtk input module |
| 15:39.09 | johnx | like everyone else in the whole world does |
| 15:39.15 | johnx | google: gtk-stylus |
| 15:39.27 | Stskeeps | http://live.gnome.org/Maemo/Gtk26Rationales |
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| 15:44.54 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png <- please to fear.. (not that it works, i wonder why though.) |
| 15:45.25 | johnx | good deal |
| 15:48.38 | jott | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 15:48.50 | jott | Stskeeps: it needs libdsme |
| 15:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | jott, so it's the repository making Application manager not install the xserver and kernel. |
| 15:48.57 | Stskeeps | jott: ah. |
| 15:49.04 | Stskeeps | forgot to wedge that one in |
| 15:49.08 | jott | GeneralAntilles: aaah ok |
| 15:49.22 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think there's any way around it. :\ |
| 15:50.02 | jott | Stskeeps: its dlopened and apparently does not warn you ;) |
| 15:50.15 | jott | GeneralAntilles: any details? |
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| 15:50.48 | Stskeeps | someone should make a open source libdsme.. it's trivial really |
| 15:51.02 | jott | GeneralAntilles: install patched h-a-m first? ;p |
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| 15:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you can switch the repository compartmentalizing with Red Pill. . . . |
| 15:51.52 | jott | Stskeeps: meh, better push the release of the official one and see what can be used ;) |
| 15:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | Truth be told, it's actually a reasonable idea. |
| 15:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | jott, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-October/022791.html |
| 15:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | Details it. |
| 15:52.52 | jott | ah thx |
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| 15:53.16 | Stskeeps | jott: that did the trick, ta |
| 15:53.41 | Stskeeps | rotation works too, but probably better on a rotation enabled kernel |
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| 15:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | jott, yet more incentive to get the community edition going, anyway. ;) |
| 15:55.24 | Stskeeps | jott: does adv-backlight take non-maemo patches? ;) |
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| 15:58.51 | slonopotamus | woops |
| 15:58.57 | slonopotamus | i'm back |
| 15:59.00 | jott | Stskeeps: sure. |
| 15:59.19 | jott | GeneralAntilles: heh yeah. |
| 15:59.35 | slonopotamus | so. i think that bla-bla-maemo1 should be removed from extras. |
| 16:00.48 | slonopotamus | is there any formal procedure for package removal? |
| 16:01.09 | crashanddie | [Off-Topic] Anyone ever bought a car with AutoQuake? |
| 16:01.10 | slonopotamus | voting on -dev or smth? |
| 16:01.46 | jott | slonopotamus: which package? |
| 16:02.22 | johnx | crashanddie, you're planning to buy a user car, without seeing it, over the internet? what could possibly go wrong? |
| 16:02.56 | slonopotamus | everybody ignores me :( |
| 16:03.08 | johnx | slonopotamus, or nobody knows the answer |
| 16:03.19 | johnx | slonopotamus, want me to lie to you? |
| 16:03.25 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 16:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, what jott said. |
| 16:03.42 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus, send me some ganja and I'll do it for you |
| 16:03.49 | crashanddie | johnx, that's exactly why I'm asking |
| 16:03.53 | crashanddie | johnx, I want input :) |
| 16:04.12 | crashanddie | johnx, cuz the prices are quite attractive |
| 16:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I wouldn't. |
| 16:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | Usually you get what you pay for. |
| 16:04.23 | johnx | crashanddie, buying a used car over the internet is a horrible idea. Buy it in person and take a mechanic friend with you or take it to a mechanic you trust |
| 16:04.44 | crashanddie | I'm enough of a mechanic to understand how to advise if a car is worth the money |
| 16:04.46 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, no. usually you get reamed. |
| 16:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, exactly. ;) |
| 16:04.58 | crashanddie | I wonder if a viewing/test drive is possible |
| 16:06.06 | johnx | crashanddie, if you're any kind of a mechanic at all you must realize everything that can be wrong with a car that can be hidden with pictures and descriptions, that only looking at it and driving it yourself can find |
| 16:06.46 | crashanddie | that's why I ask for input ! |
| 16:06.50 | crashanddie | (crashanddie) I wonder if a viewing/test drive is possibl |
| 16:07.23 | johnx | if you can get them to agree to a test drive, then there's no problem |
| 16:07.45 | johnx | if not, then treat it as a car that doesn't drive |
| 16:07.45 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, You're asking if people have bought a car from a UK company and in all honesty, I don't see a lot of us from the UK on here |
| 16:07.49 | slonopotamus | jott, libxml2-dev version 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 is in extras and extras-devel. however it can't be installed on tablet because of conflict with osso-software-version. however, 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4 can be installed (it matches diablo's libxml2 package) but it is only available in diablo/sdk repo which is not supposed to be used on tablet. this all looks messed up. |
| 16:09.00 | slonopotamus | i wonder why 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 exists at all |
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| 16:09.54 | jott | slonopotamus: because you can install osso-software-version-rxXX-unlocked |
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| 16:10.47 | slonopotamus | so i'm not supposed to have libxml2-dev without breaking the lock? |
| 16:11.25 | jott | slonopotamus: -dev packages are not really meant to be installed on the tablet. |
| 16:11.36 | jott | if you want to do so, you should actually know what you are doing. |
| 16:12.29 | jott | (and that is either install the matching package from the sdk repo or install the -unlocked package and get a more recent version) |
| 16:13.11 | slonopotamus | ok. technically you answered 'yes' :) |
| 16:14.09 | jott | slonopotamus: to which question? :/ |
| 16:14.16 | slonopotamus | too many repos... |
| 16:14.38 | jott | huh? no. i just said -dev package are not meant for end-users. |
| 16:14.47 | jott | and developers are supposed to know what they are doing... |
| 16:14.52 | slonopotamus | jott, i'm doing something unsupported :) |
| 16:15.04 | jott | yes. :) |
| 16:16.14 | slonopotamus | jott, you won't tell anyone that i've replaced busybox with coreutils, uh? |
| 16:16.32 | slonopotamus | :) |
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| 16:16.41 | jott | i don't care. just don't complain when you get stucked in a reboot loop ;) |
| 16:17.07 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus, I've done it by modifying dpkg status file manually. Kinda sucked when ls -la would segfault :) |
| 16:19.04 | jott | qwerty12: who needs "ls" when one can use readdir :P |
| 16:19.28 | qwerty12 | me :P |
| 16:19.50 | qwerty12 | I've never come across readdir before :P, only dir and ls from this noob :P |
| 16:20.10 | crashanddie | johnx, actually, I can view and test drive a vehicle if I want to :P |
| 16:20.10 | jott | qwerty12: it's readdir(3) :> |
| 16:20.21 | johnx | crashanddie, then go for it! |
| 16:20.30 | crashanddie | let's first wait for a job :P |
| 16:21.08 | crashanddie | but hell, a mx-5 with only 7000m for 8g |
| 16:21.22 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, Ask if they take IOU's? |
| 16:21.41 | crashanddie | I don't do IOU's |
| 16:21.53 | GeneralAntilles | I hear chick cars are good for picking up chicks. :P |
| 16:23.18 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, for girls who want to "convert" you.. |
| 16:23.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:23.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 16:23.36 | johnx | gotta go with crashanddie on the mx5 being a darn nice little car |
| 16:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, an angle's an angle. ;) |
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| 16:23.52 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, oh, sure, it's a Z3 without all the fail. |
| 16:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | Still a chick car, though. ;) |
| 16:24.03 | crashanddie | johnx, http://www.autoquake.com/vehicle/inspid=5508 |
| 16:24.29 | johnx | rolls his eyes at GeneralAntilles |
| 16:24.55 | GeneralAntilles | I don't make the rules. :D |
| 16:25.11 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, you just buy into them? |
| 16:25.28 | johnx | I guess that's what I should have expected from a Mac user :P :D |
| 16:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | rolls his eyes at johnx. |
| 16:25.54 | qwerty12 | FAIL. You included a full stop |
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| 16:29.15 | Stskeeps | mmm. steak, fries and bernaise sauce. <3 loving being home alone once in a while |
| 16:30.51 | johnx | stop making me hungry. there's no snacks around here :P |
| 16:31.18 | qwerty12 | johnx, but you have all that rice :P |
| 16:31.25 | summatusmentis | speaking of food, I need to go grocery shopping sometime |
| 16:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | Nice, the power steering failed on my mom's 2 year old Camry Hybrid. |
| 16:32.14 | johnx | qwerty12, takes like 20min to cook. I'm hungry now |
| 16:32.39 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, power steering is for old people driving sedans... oh wait |
| 16:32.58 | johnx | just get her a bigger steering wheel! problem solved |
| 16:33.02 | qwerty12 | johnx, No takeaway outlets? I could get kebab roll, chicken wings from at least 20 places near to where I live :P |
| 16:33.03 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, not on modern cars. :P |
| 16:33.09 | GeneralAntilles | Wide tires, heavy weight. . . . |
| 16:33.16 | johnx | qwerty12, at 1:30AM? |
| 16:33.33 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it builds character |
| 16:33.50 | qwerty12 | johnx, Well, I know the supermarket is open 24 hours, I could probably get something from there and put it in the microwave :P |
| 16:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, and upper arm muscles, but I'll pass. :P |
| 16:34.20 | johnx | it sucks at parking lot speeds, admittedly |
| 16:34.29 | johnx | qwerty12, I think I'm out of luck :/ |
| 16:35.30 | qwerty12 | johnx, No putting your hand inside tv food adverts yet? |
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| 16:36.48 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, what car do you have? |
| 16:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | '04 Camry 2.4L 5-speed |
| 16:37.09 | johnx | qwerty12, I think the newer phones have that, but mine's a year old... |
| 16:37.16 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:37.36 | crashanddie | Ok |
| 16:37.41 | crashanddie | And you have a beard, right? |
| 16:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 16:38.04 | crashanddie | Thank you very much, being beardy and owning a toyota, you are not allowed to call any other car "a girl's car" |
| 16:38.14 | crashanddie | :D |
| 16:38.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure how that's relevant. |
| 16:39.37 | GeneralAntilles | I figure sensible-car driving lumberjacks should be able to call girl's cars girl's cars anyway. :P |
| 16:40.24 | johnx | crashanddie, don't mind him. he's in denial |
| 16:40.41 | johnx | wishes toyota would do something exciting again... |
| 16:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | For serious |
| 16:41.21 | GeneralAntilles | I want that RWD Corolla I keep hearing about. |
| 16:41.26 | johnx | ha |
| 16:41.35 | johnx | people wanted that for 18 years |
| 16:41.56 | johnx | the writing was on the wall when they dropped even the celica |
| 16:42.39 | johnx | it's funny that honda is taking sporty cars seriously and toyota is being boring these days |
| 16:42.54 | GeneralAntilles | They only thing sporty Toyota ships is the Tacoma. <_< |
| 16:43.23 | GeneralAntilles | I want the MR2 back with less suck. |
| 16:43.37 | johnx | I'd actually go for a 1st gen MR-2 |
| 16:43.51 | johnx | good gas mileage and lots of fun, or so I hear |
| 16:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | Crazy weight distribution. |
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| 16:45.31 | johnx | looks ok to me |
| 16:45.46 | johnx | only a problem for people who are used to nose-heavy sedans |
| 16:47.19 | GeneralAntilles | My goal is to get an E30 M3 at some point. |
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| 16:47.32 | johnx | wouldn't be bad |
| 16:47.47 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, it would be friggin' fantastic. |
| 16:47.48 | johnx | I really like the second gen supras 82-85 |
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| 16:48.18 | glass_ | i want a pristine gtv6 |
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| 16:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm, Italian, I'd have to take a Lancia Delta Integrale. |
| 16:51.33 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, hmm...I'd rather have an I6 than a four banger. otherwise the e30 m3 looks nice |
| 16:51.57 | GeneralAntilles | The E30 is a little more purebred than the E36. |
| 16:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's sad how totally BMW has killed the M3. |
| 16:53.38 | johnx | yeah, e36 looks way too heavy :/ |
| 16:53.39 | lardman | cars get bigger, c'est la vie |
| 16:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | E90 is straight up horrifying |
| 16:54.00 | johnx | cars get bigger and I don't have to buy them or like them :) |
| 16:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 16:54.15 | GeneralAntilles | I'd also like to go old and big |
| 16:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | 1966 Dodge Charger |
| 16:54.21 | lardman | of course :) |
| 16:54.31 | GeneralAntilles | Giant blue electric razor |
| 16:54.43 | johnx | could never drive a car much over 3,000lbs |
| 16:54.57 | johnx | well, I can, but I wouldn't do it on purpose |
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| 16:55.29 | lardman | hmm, so most stuff is out then? |
| 16:55.37 | lardman | modern stuff that is |
| 16:55.40 | johnx | most mdern stuff, sadly yes |
| 16:55.51 | johnx | doesn't bother me much though |
| 16:55.54 | GeneralAntilles | You can always drive a Lotus. ;) |
| 16:56.07 | johnx | well, it's not all bad then :) |
| 16:56.28 | johnx | or a honda fit, or any of the "yellow tag" cars from Japan |
| 16:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | My uncle has a nice Elise |
| 16:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | unreal car |
| 16:57.30 | johnx | another thing I hate about modern cars: ridiculous plastic engine covers |
| 16:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 16:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | "No, you can't touch this." |
| 16:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | Bizarre |
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| 16:58.05 | johnx | it's like, I opened the hood for a reason and it wasn't to see a crap-ton of plastic staring at me |
| 16:58.10 | Stskeeps | oh, neat, videos from sessions at maemo summit |
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| 16:58.13 | Stskeeps | watches debian chroot one |
| 16:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, swap it for carbon fiber. ;) |
| 16:58.50 | johnx | hmm...I don't think that solves the problem |
| 16:59.01 | GeneralAntilles | Looks cool, though! |
| 17:00.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://linuxuk.org/node/68 <- entertainment :) |
| 17:01.04 | johnx | I'll watch it later when there's no one to wake up :) |
| 17:01.40 | Stskeeps | qole really needs to learn how to present though |
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| 17:08.32 | johnx | sleeps |
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| 17:22.01 | lardman | qwerty12: re comment about showing off, well that's exactly right :) |
| 17:22.32 | qwerty12 | lardman, :P |
| 17:23.12 | lardman | wide screen and stereo sound for the whole 10s of the average mobile phone mp4 file |
| 17:23.12 | lardman | :) |
| 17:24.20 | qwerty12 | Heh, yeah, I remember watching transformers off the 176x220 screen... |
| 17:25.23 | lcuk | lobs bacon at lardman |
| 17:26.34 | Sargun_Screen | I need more RAM |
| 17:26.45 | Sargun_Screen | like 768mb at least |
| 17:32.03 | lardman | lcuk: mmmmm |
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| 17:37.10 | lcuk | i had a problem the other day, the frying pan was too small for the quantity of bacon which needed cooking |
| 17:41.55 | GeneralAntilles | Time for a big cast iron griddle. |
| 17:42.06 | Stskeeps | mm, bacon |
| 17:43.14 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i was thinking more along the lines of a pig sized conveyor oven, or alternatively one of them kebab meat sookers but with bacon aorund it. |
| 17:43.19 | lcuk | cookers ^ |
| 17:43.26 | lcuk | - other typos |
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| 17:44.06 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: how does extras policy look like if there's in-source compiled binaries? like, kernel modules compiled into .ko's and such |
| 17:44.35 | Stskeeps | somewhat that's counterproductive to the whole "being able to recompile the package for new versions if needed" |
| 17:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, dunno. |
| 17:45.01 | lardman | oi you lot, no work being done here due to the bacon talk! |
| 17:45.22 | GeneralAntilles | We could talk about steak instead |
| 17:45.24 | lcuk | is hungry and waiting for luke to come back form the chippy :) |
| 17:45.27 | GeneralAntilles | or maybe cake. |
| 17:45.33 | Stskeeps | had a delicious pepper steak, mm. |
| 17:45.33 | lcuk | the cake is a lie |
| 17:46.39 | lcuk | im also planning to implement proper styling in liqbase tonight :) i intend to remove the dull boxen and replace with a hand drawn theme :) |
| 17:46.59 | GeneralAntilles | Hire Khertan! |
| 17:47.13 | lcuk | heh! |
| 17:47.57 | lcuk | i was hoping to hold off until i had got png saving down to a fine art, but it looks like that will take a backburner |
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| 17:55.57 | lcuk | bbl |
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| 18:00.43 | Stskeeps | 'lo moontiger |
| 18:01.13 | moontiger | hey Stskeeps i was meaning to ask you ... is using dbus ok for the batt mon? |
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| 18:01.28 | Stskeeps | for asking HAL? |
| 18:01.34 | moontiger | yes |
| 18:01.36 | Stskeeps | yeah, i think that's how most people do it |
| 18:02.05 | Stskeeps | moontiger: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png <- we now have backlight applet too ;) |
| 18:02.07 | moontiger | right ... so im writing a dbus client that registers with the battery hal thing and gets updates .... prolly on a timer with sleep() in the loop |
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| 18:02.48 | moontiger | this might take me a little while as im new to this level of system coding on linux but its kinda fun |
| 18:02.52 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:03.03 | |maddler| | hey all |
| 18:03.05 | GAN800 | Nice backlight. ;) |
| 18:03.05 | moontiger | im off work next week and up in seattle so i can focus more on it there |
| 18:03.05 | Stskeeps | it sure is, but you want to beat your head against a wall once in a while |
| 18:03.10 | pupnik810 | moemo |
| 18:03.14 | pupnik810 | mooemo |
| 18:03.28 | moontiger | got to get back to my class now ... brb |
| 18:03.31 | Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah, it was easy to port actually.. just had to ignore some dependancies you don't use anyway and remove a maemogtkism |
| 18:03.43 | GAN800 | pupnik |
| 18:03.51 | pupnik810 | sup ga |
| 18:04.21 | pupnik810 | <- sick, cold, headache |
| 18:04.24 | GAN800 | Sleepy Thursday afternoon. |
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| 18:07.20 | solmumaha | evening pupnik810 |
| 18:08.05 | pupnik810 | hui solarion |
| 18:08.10 | pupnik810 | solmumaha, |
| 18:08.30 | pupnik810 | was a nice sol-y day here |
| 18:09.23 | Mace` | is there a maemo pkg for ff or epiphany? |
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| 18:09.32 | Mace` | iceweasel |
| 18:09.46 | Mace` | anything other than microb? |
| 18:09.53 | solmumaha | boss wanted to send me to berlin but i refused after i saw the conference price |
| 18:10.02 | pupnik810 | heh |
| 18:10.16 | pupnik810 | mace - links |
| 18:10.19 | Mace` | cheaper now that the $ is up |
| 18:10.35 | Mace` | i need java .. for ajax zimbra |
| 18:11.06 | jaska | normal jre on n8x0? ouch |
| 18:11.29 | pupnik810 | gtg |
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| 18:16.18 | Mace` | works in deblet ;) |
| 18:16.31 | Stskeeps | Mace`: are you Macer btw? i just wonder :P |
| 18:16.46 | Mace` | yes |
| 18:16.48 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 18:17.55 | Mace` | Stskeeps- cant you rip the bt phone stuff from maemo? |
| 18:18.06 | Mace` | to set it up for deblet |
| 18:18.08 | Mace` | ? |
| 18:18.11 | Stskeeps | Mace`: i try to avoid ripping stuff honestly |
| 18:18.15 | Mace` | ;) |
| 18:18.34 | Mace` | but it's so easy in maemo |
| 18:18.47 | Mace` | and such a pain in deblet |
| 18:19.02 | Stskeeps | Mace`: i'm building new network-manager atm |
| 18:19.03 | Stskeeps | the svn |
| 18:19.05 | Stskeeps | it has PPP |
| 18:19.07 | Stskeeps | so that helps |
| 18:19.12 | GAN800 | Maemo is far and away the easiest OS I've ever tethered with. |
| 18:19.25 | Stskeeps | and i agree, that is one thing they got really right |
| 18:19.41 | GAN800 | Easier than OS X |
| 18:19.43 | crashanddie | not easier than say... Debian |
| 18:20.07 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: trust me, maemo is easier :P |
| 18:20.27 | crashanddie | optimised != easy |
| 18:20.44 | GAN800 | Um |
| 18:20.54 | GAN800 | How is it not easy? |
| 18:21.01 | crashanddie | I didn't say it wasn't easy |
| 18:21.02 | crashanddie | djeezus |
| 18:21.06 | crashanddie | I'm just saying |
| 18:21.13 | GAN800 | You tell it your provider and connect. |
| 18:21.26 | GAN800 | Saying what? |
| 18:21.41 | GAN800 | isn't clear on that. |
| 18:22.06 | crashanddie | Saying Maemo is easy, well, that's a bit stating the obvious |
| 18:22.18 | Stskeeps | i was a bit disappointed roaming data didn't work while i was in ireland though, but that might be because of vodafone craziness |
| 18:22.37 | crashanddie | But it's no different in easiness than say, Debian |
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| 18:30.23 | Stskeeps | 'lo qole |
| 18:30.52 | Stskeeps | qole: sorry for asking you to come by, the thread would become way too long :) |
| 18:35.14 | qole | I have the folder... |
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| 18:36.07 | Stskeeps | alright, mv away the debian folder for now (we'll use it in a minute), and rename the root folder to easy-debian-<version> |
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| 18:37.13 | lardman | hi qole |
| 18:38.07 | qole | lardman: hi! |
| 18:38.26 | Stskeeps | qole: and make sure you have apt-get'ed dpkg-dev dh-make |
| 18:38.44 | Stskeeps | (assuming you're doing this in a debian chroot :P) |
| 18:40.46 | qole | just for everyone else: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24161 |
| 18:43.31 | qole | looks like I just needed dh-make |
| 18:45.52 | Stskeeps | alright, now in your easy-debian-<version>, touch Makefile (we'll edit this later), dh_make -c gpl -l your@mail -n -s |
| 18:46.30 | qole | I've deleted the debian folder ... renamed root fldr to easy-debian-0.9-10 |
| 18:46.34 | Stskeeps | (see -c options in dh_make --help). the flags select which license to refer to in it, that it's a debian native package (we don't have upstream source), and a single binary (not sure about differences) |
| 18:47.15 | Stskeeps | -e your@mail, sorry |
| 18:47.43 | Stskeeps | that makes a skeleton debian/ folder for you after you confirm |
| 18:49.23 | Stskeeps | then, edit debian/control, first part is for source package - what is needed to build this package, what section should the packages end up in, etc, second part is info about the built package |
| 18:49.58 | qole | dhmake: 'Extra parameters on command line' |
| 18:50.09 | Stskeeps | yeah, dh_make -c gpl -e your@mail -n -s |
| 18:50.11 | Stskeeps | made a typo |
| 18:50.46 | lardman | looks at building a DSP kernel |
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| 18:51.18 | Stskeeps | qole: and you can probably pull most of this info from your old control, but do note you shouldn't put in Version: for instance |
| 18:52.20 | qole | one weirdness: "Maintainer name : root" |
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| 18:52.51 | Stskeeps | yeah, it gets your gecos i guess |
| 18:53.07 | qole | why no version? |
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| 18:53.27 | Stskeeps | because it gets generated automatically by the build system, based on latest entry in debian/changelog |
| 18:54.04 | Stskeeps | (which is another chapter, but the 'dch' script is nice there) |
| 18:54.34 | qole | what's with all the .ex files? |
| 18:54.52 | Stskeeps | example files, we'll rm *.ex *.EX in the end |
| 18:55.09 | Stskeeps | you can do export DEBFULLNAME="Full Name" seemingily (root question) |
| 18:55.40 | qole | so I can dump my preinst etc back into debian/ now? |
| 18:55.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, dump in preinst, postrm, postinst, prerm again |
| 18:56.09 | Stskeeps | make sure they're +x obviously |
| 18:58.56 | Stskeeps | verify debian/copyright is to your liking as well |
| 19:01.33 | Stskeeps | then this: http://rafb.net/p/daDiLH76.html should suffice as a Makefile |
| 19:02.09 | Stskeeps | (the indentation -must- be a tab) |
| 19:03.09 | qole | hacking away at debian/control... merging my one with the autogenerated one... |
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| 19:08.04 | mikkov_ | are you making binary only debs for extras? |
| 19:08.38 | qole | I have a big binary blob in my control, 'Maemo-Icon-26:' |
| 19:09.30 | mikkov_ | yeah, but binary only programs? |
| 19:09.44 | mikkov_ | which are opensource |
| 19:09.56 | qole | mikkov_: yes, although most is shell scripts, etc, there is no source for binary bits |
| 19:10.29 | mikkov_ | point of the buildable source packages is that you can actually build them. |
| 19:10.45 | qole | (not my code, but donated to the project) |
| 19:10.47 | mikkov_ | and you are required to provide source code according to gpl |
| 19:11.05 | rm_you | pokes qole |
| 19:11.13 | rm_you | good to see you on IRC |
| 19:11.15 | rm_you | now to run off |
| 19:11.16 | rm_you | runs off |
| 19:11.25 | mikkov_ | shell scripts of cource are the code themselves |
| 19:12.14 | lardman | is impressed that building a DSP kernel just works (TM) |
| 19:12.43 | derf | I still haven't gotten it to "Just Work (TM)". |
| 19:13.10 | qole | the support binaries are either tiny bits of donated code (Bundyo's hostwin app)... |
| 19:13.36 | derf | Though I still haven't spent much time with it... but my LCA talk was accepted, so the motivation is there now. |
| 19:14.55 | qole | ...or bits of other OSS packages that I intend to make into 'depends' once I successfully get this to upload. |
| 19:16.25 | qole | but I should see if Bundyo will give me the source for his app... which opens a window then runs a shell script... |
| 19:17.08 | mikkov_ | I would get clarification of the license and the source if it's open source. Even if it is very simple program |
| 19:17.20 | qole | waves at rm_you |
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| 19:17.44 | rm_you | waves as he goes flying by in the other direction, off to work |
| 19:23.11 | milhouse | maemo.org offline or just dog-arse slow? |
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| 19:26.42 | lardman | derf: what are you trying to get to work? The DSP code? |
| 19:27.05 | lardman | yes, from reading your next comment |
| 19:27.09 | derf | Yeah. |
| 19:28.12 | lardman | goes to pull the latest version |
| 19:29.20 | lardman | derf: any error in particular? |
| 19:29.35 | derf | No, still just sorting through what to do with the toolchain. |
| 19:29.41 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 19:30.06 | lardman | you stick it in /opt/ti_dsptools/ ? |
| 19:30.11 | derf | Yeah. |
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| 19:30.32 | lardman | should just work then if you use the Makefile I posted |
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| 19:34.15 | ssvb | hi lardman, any progress with DSP crusade? |
| 19:35.16 | lardman | ssvb: yes, I was just going to email you :) |
| 19:35.35 | lardman | I've just compiled the kernel, was grabbing info to write hw codec driver for the 770 |
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| 19:36.22 | lardman | not sure if that would be of use in your quest to make the 770 a decent multimedia machine, but thought it might be interesting/useful |
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| 19:38.08 | derf | lardman: Err, I can't seem to find that Makefile. |
| 19:38.22 | lardman | derf: hang on a tick, let me find an url |
| 19:38.41 | lardman | ah, I didn't post it, sorry |
| 19:38.54 | derf | Heh, that would be why. |
| 19:38.59 | derf | Also, you mentioned having to make some code mods? |
| 19:39.52 | Stskeeps | qole: how's it going? |
| 19:40.27 | lardman | yeah, I think the only thing I altered was testcelt.c |
| 19:40.31 | ssvb | lardman: still running audio driver on ARM side is probably the best solution from the technical point of view, and it is much more realistic to achieve |
| 19:40.31 | lardman | trying to remember myself |
| 19:40.32 | henrique | the .desktop file spec has changed in diablo? |
| 19:40.41 | henrique | os is it the same as in previous version of maemo? |
| 19:40.44 | derf | Okay. |
| 19:41.05 | derf | Because I know there are some fixes that need to go into the real meat of the codec. |
| 19:41.11 | lardman | ssvb: yes, certainly, I just thought I'd take a look - especially as there are nearly complete drivers available anyway for the aic23 |
| 19:41.44 | lardman | derf: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/dsp/ |
| 19:45.17 | lardman | I get a failure in float_cast.h, #warning is unknown (l97 & 98) |
| 19:45.43 | lardman | I am slightly concerned with using floats on the DSP too, not sure how fast it will be |
| 19:46.33 | Stskeeps | lardman: so, just curious, what's your goals with this and the 770? open source dsp codecs or? |
| 19:46.57 | lardman | Stskeeps: always open source codecs, but just something interesting to do too |
| 19:47.25 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 19:47.34 | lardman | derf: entdec.c has multiple "shift count is too large" warnings |
| 19:48.01 | lardman | derf: cwrs.c : truncation warnings from integer conversion |
| 19:48.03 | derf | Lines? |
| 19:48.19 | whodat | is it common the on n810 for the screen to wobble on its track a bit when the keyboard is in open position? kind of annoying to me. |
| 19:48.19 | Stskeeps | lardman: it's interesting for sure.. especially with nokia seemingily trying their hardest to forget they existed in terms of software ;) |
| 19:48.30 | lardman | entdec.c: 32,40,41,69,77,78 |
| 19:48.52 | derf | 16 should really not be too large for a 32-bit type. |
| 19:48.53 | lardman | Stskeeps: they inherited the code, not much they could do about it |
| 19:49.51 | lardman | derf: that casts the output, or the array type? |
| 19:50.43 | derf | Array indexing has higher precedence than casts. |
| 19:51.11 | lardman | I'm just looking for the definition of the structure |
| 19:51.12 | derf | ((ec_uint32)(_b->ptr[2]))<<16 is the equivalent fully-parenthesized version. |
| 19:51.53 | lardman | ah, well this is an odd compiler... :) |
| 19:52.15 | derf | Operator precedence is a pretty fundamental thing for a compiler to get wrong. |
| 19:52.44 | lardman | yeah well, didn't fix it anyway |
| 19:52.54 | derf | I'm more worried that celt_uint32_t is not being defined correctly. |
| 19:53.08 | lardman | yep, that's my next to-look-at |
| 19:53.53 | troyh | ls |
| 19:54.20 | troyh | doah, wrong window... |
| 19:55.35 | derf | lardman: Did you define HAVE_CONFIG_H ? |
| 19:55.48 | lardman | no |
| 19:55.54 | lardman | just CONFIG_H |
| 19:55.58 | derf | Yeah, that could be part of the problem. |
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| 19:56.10 | lardman | ok, will try again |
| 19:56.26 | derf | I mean, you define CONFIG_H _in_ config.h |
| 19:56.34 | lardman | yes |
| 19:56.36 | cyrus__ | anyone here install deblet on n810. i have a quick question regarding the partitioning of the memory card. Do I just need to make one primary partition? Does it need to be set bootable and what filesystem should I put on it? |
| 19:56.37 | derf | But without HAVE_CONFIG_H, it won't even include config.h |
| 19:56.42 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 19:56.54 | lardman | where shall I define that then? |
| 19:56.58 | lardman | testcelt.c? |
| 19:57.09 | lardman | Makefile |
| 19:57.12 | derf | Makefile |
| 19:57.16 | derf | It's needed for every .c file. |
| 19:59.12 | lardman | hmm |
| 19:59.28 | lardman | so shall I pass it as a -D flag to the compiler? |
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| 20:00.39 | lardman | ah, yes |
| 20:01.17 | woglinde | hi |
| 20:01.36 | derf | Yeah. |
| 20:03.55 | lardman | "fixed_c5x.h", line 38: fatal error: could not open source file "dsplib.h" |
| 20:04.02 | lardman | Heroes beckons, will take a look afterwards |
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| 20:24.07 | derf | lardman|tv: I assume that is referring to http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru422i/spru422i.pdf |
| 20:30.01 | crashanddie | Was House last night or the night before? |
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| 20:44.39 | Stskeeps | cyndis: make a tiny fat partition (16m?), one ext2/3 and one for swap (128mb-192m) |
| 20:44.45 | Stskeeps | cyndis: is how i usually do it |
| 20:45.17 | Stskeeps | and no, bootable has no meaning on tablet |
| 20:57.00 | lardman | derf: does your code use dsplib fns? |
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| 20:57.47 | GNUton | hi there |
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| 20:58.04 | derf | lardman: Yes. |
| 20:58.13 | lardman | right-ho |
| 20:58.41 | derf | At least, it certainly does if you #define ENABLE_TI_DSPLIB, which you do. |
| 20:58.48 | lardman | yep |
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| 20:59.53 | lardman | hmm, rubbish Windows, file is named Dsplib.h |
| 21:00.39 | derf | Hah, so it is. |
| 21:01.08 | derf | But anyway, it's probably a good idea to use the hand-optimized assembly FFT, since TI went through the trouble of writing one for us. |
| 21:01.09 | lardman | I symlinked it |
| 21:01.27 | lardman | also need to symlink TMS320.h to its lowercase counterpart |
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| 21:04.11 | lardman | ~lart bloody Gnome filemanager for locking up the desktop, then giving me some crap about backend not supported when copying from one dir to another! |
| 21:04.11 | infobot | beats bloody Gnome filemanager severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for locking up the desktop, then giving me some crap about backend not supported when copying from one dir to another! |
| 21:05.11 | lardman | I was going to upload the new Makefile |
| 21:05.39 | lardman | but anyway, just add "-i$(TOOLS_DIR)/ccs221_content/c5500/dsplib/include" to the "INCD = blah" lines |
| 21:06.53 | derf | Oh, I went and had to track down a separate copy. Because find . -name dsplib.h didn't find it, of course. |
| 21:07.28 | derf | Mine's newer, anyway :). |
| 21:08.21 | derf | But I did enjoy how the spru didn't bother to tell you where to _get_ the library. |
| 21:08.43 | derf | And the archive filename it suggested produced no useful Google results. |
| 21:09.49 | lardman | archive is a win exe :( |
| 21:09.57 | derf | It's just a zip file. |
| 21:10.30 | derf | unzip is perfectly happy extracting from self-extracting executables. |
| 21:10.32 | lardman | hmm, I thought inside was an exe |
| 21:10.36 | lardman | ah ok |
| 21:11.30 | derf | Okay, so now I need to get dspgw stuff setup. |
| 21:12.10 | derf | Since I don't have gen_dummy_kernel nor coff_unresolve. |
| 21:12.34 | lardman | hmm, should all be in the "extras" tarball I sent you |
| 21:12.44 | lardman | hang on a tick, brb |
| 21:13.02 | derf | Oh, there is one. |
| 21:13.11 | derf | I wonder why I couldn't find it before. |
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| 21:24.27 | lardman | re |
| 21:25.15 | lardman | the Makefile + linuxdsptools_env.bash should even have the right paths setup |
| 21:25.37 | lardman | ;) |
| 21:26.16 | lardman | right, that's working now, on to the next error |
| 21:26.26 | lardman | mdct.c |
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| 21:26.43 | derf | Yeah, it's forcing the double-precision FFT there. |
| 21:27.04 | lardman | l156? |
| 21:27.05 | derf | You'll have to #define DOUBLE_PRECISION to get kiss_fft_scalar typedef'd correctly. |
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| 21:27.18 | derf | Right. |
| 21:27.24 | lardman | where should that be, config.h? |
| 21:27.34 | crashanddie_ | Good to know, my neighboor uses the Google Toolbar |
| 21:27.55 | lardman | crashanddie_: ? |
| 21:28.06 | lardman | you peeking at their wifi traffic? |
| 21:28.16 | crashanddie_ | me? |
| 21:28.24 | lardman | :D |
| 21:28.29 | crashanddie_ | I'm just breathing the air.... waves |
| 21:33.54 | lardman | derf: updated the config.h, Makefile and testcelt.c files and uploaded them |
| 21:34.17 | lardman | Makefile looks like it needs a further tweak, getting a linker error |
| 21:35.08 | lardman | dump_modes.c contains a main() fn, is this for testing? |
| 21:35.30 | derf | Yeah. |
| 21:35.42 | lardman | whole file can be removed? |
| 21:35.46 | derf | Correct. |
| 21:36.09 | lardman | cool, done, compiled and linked ok |
| 21:36.28 | derf | How'd you handle the lrint stuff? |
| 21:36.56 | lardman | Your float precision stuff got rid of the error |
| 21:37.03 | lardman | lots of warnings in the code still though probably |
| 21:37.05 | derf | Really? Not for me. |
| 21:37.12 | lardman | hmm |
| 21:37.15 | derf | And that wasn't float precision. |
| 21:37.15 | lardman | which file is this? |
| 21:37.23 | lardman | ah ok, my assumption |
| 21:37.24 | derf | celt.c, including float_cast.h |
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| 21:38.10 | derf | It's really only used for converting between the float API and the fixed point API, which should be eliminated by #defining DISABLE_FLOAT_API, but even with that #define, it still includes the offending header. |
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| 21:38.34 | lardman | am just recompiling to see |
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| 21:39.10 | baddu | hi lardman. can i ask a dsp related question? |
| 21:39.15 | lardman | hmm, well I have no complier errors or warnings, just a linker error about error: symbol _kiss_fft_celt_double is defined multiple times |
| 21:39.18 | lardman | baddu: of course |
| 21:40.06 | baddu | lardman: i want to reserve a relative large junk of memory for my dsp task. how can i know which address should i use with dspctl exmap ? |
| 21:40.10 | lardman | derf: celt.c certainly complies for me, no problems |
| 21:40.29 | derf | Huh. |
| 21:40.30 | lardman | baddu: don't use dspctl |
| 21:41.09 | lardman | baddu: you should specify the address in the DSP task, then you use mmap() on the ARM side to get a pointer to that memory |
| 21:42.06 | baddu | lardman: ok, i have kind of done that but i still tougth i had to export the memory... |
| 21:42.19 | derf | lardman: kiss_fft_single.c should not be in the compilation, I don't think. |
| 21:43.25 | lardman | baddu: you've used the mmap_info struct on the DSP side? This is what sorts out the memory sharing |
| 21:43.42 | lardman | derf: ok, I'll scrub it |
| 21:44.05 | derf | I got all the way to 'error: can't open file 'dummy.cmd' for input' |
| 21:44.23 | lardman | ah ok, you'll need one of those, I'll upload it |
| 21:44.45 | lardman | done |
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| 21:45.46 | baddu | lardman: yes, i'm using large static arrays and mmap them to the arm side. i tought that i need to give some address when they are loaded to the dsp in the linker command file |
| 21:46.42 | lardman | baddu: you need to specify where the shared memory will be placed, in either your linker command file or one of the existing memory sections |
| 21:46.59 | lardman | baddu: you're passing data from ARM to DSP, the static data? |
| 21:47.40 | lardman | or are you just wondering about where variables which are declared as static are placed? |
| 21:47.56 | baddu | lardman: no from dsp to arm |
| 21:48.21 | lardman | oh, what does you code do then (so I have some background)? |
| 21:48.44 | baddu | lardman: and i have static array of 2M or at least i would like to have that :) |
| 21:49.09 | baddu | lardman: its the opengl es stuff, i mailed you about that some time ago... |
| 21:49.18 | baddu | :) |
| 21:49.34 | lardman | ok, static data are placed in SARAM iirc (look in the avs_kernelcfg.cmd file to check the location), there's not enough space there |
| 21:49.47 | derf | lardman: Okay, now I've got to 'error: linking files for incompatible targets' |
| 21:50.05 | derf | With a bunch of .obj files inside 55xdsp.lib |
| 21:50.06 | derf | lw |
| 21:50.06 | lardman | baddu: so you'll need to place them in SDRAM |
| 21:50.49 | baddu | lardman: ok, but there is no room for 2M strucutres I suppose |
| 21:50.53 | lardman | derf: what libs are you trying to link against in the Makefile, is it my one? |
| 21:50.57 | derf | Huh, you aren't even linking against 55xdsp.lib |
| 21:51.08 | derf | How does that possibly work? |
| 21:51.15 | lardman | baddu: you could #PRAGMA() the variable you create and place it in SDRAM |
| 21:51.32 | lardman | baddu: does it need to be shared with the ARM-side, or do you just need more memory to store the data? |
| 21:52.40 | lardman | derf: you don't actually need to link against the dsplib as it's already in the dsp kernel |
| 21:52.44 | baddu | lardman: well, i need to send them to the arm when i draw the stuff with X, i guess sending it othervise than mmap would be slow |
| 21:52.50 | derf | Oh, okay. |
| 21:53.01 | lardman | baddu: but they are static values? |
| 21:53.02 | crashanddie_ | lol... he actually stores isohunt on google bookmarks |
| 21:53.37 | baddu | no, sorry. not static. i meant static in that sense that not dynamically allocated |
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| 21:53.54 | lardman | baddu: ah, I see, so it's what, the framebuffer data? |
| 21:53.56 | baddu | static so that always the same size |
| 21:53.59 | lardman | ok |
| 21:54.44 | baddu | lardman: yes, 800x480x5 values |
| 21:54.55 | lardman | ok |
| 21:55.14 | lardman | on the dsp-side use the mmap structure to define a variable which will point to your data and the size of the data |
| 21:55.40 | lardman | you need to #PRAGMA the location of said variable (i.e. the array) to place it somewhere in a shared memory region |
| 21:55.43 | baddu | about 2M, if i want that to be visible to the arm side i guess i have to have it in the same pointer |
| 21:56.11 | lardman | only one region of shared memory can be shared, so everything you want shared will have to be in the same buffer |
| 21:56.12 | baddu | or the same array variable, i think i can share only one array with mmap? |
| 21:56.18 | baddu | yes |
| 21:56.19 | lardman | yes |
| 21:56.53 | woglinde | yes |
| 21:56.55 | woglinde | *g* |
| 21:57.28 | baddu | ok, and besides the #PRAGMA think do i need to declare the address of that variable? |
| 21:57.33 | baddu | yes yes :) |
| 21:58.30 | lardman | baddu: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m6fe351d4 |
| 21:59.20 | lardman | or look at this, which I think is up to date: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/shared_memory_test/ |
| 22:00.14 | lardman | so no, you don't need to declare the address of the variable on the DSP side, that's handled for automatically (i.e. the DSP says where, then that is shared on the ARM) |
| 22:00.56 | lardman | otoh, you can explicitly use a given address on the DSP side, for example if you had a FRAMEBUFFER memory section (which is special and has the framebuffer mapped to it automatically) |
| 22:01.08 | derf | lardman: Anyway, it compiles now. Thanks for all your help. |
| 22:01.12 | lardman | you might then create a pointer, and set its address manually |
| 22:01.16 | lardman | derf: np |
| 22:01.19 | baddu | ok, thats very nice. i haven't actually tested it with the actual program. i just couldn't get the mmap test program to work before exmapping the memory |
| 22:01.23 | lardman | derf: do you know how to install it? |
| 22:01.31 | derf | I've got your slides. |
| 22:01.44 | lardman | derf: cool, let me know how you get on |
| 22:01.58 | lardman | must finish writing up the slides |
| 22:02.39 | lardman | baddu: is that the one that comes with dsp gateway, or my one? |
| 22:03.20 | baddu | lardman: dspgateways one, although i modified it to compile as a module |
| 22:03.36 | lardman | baddu: hmm, I'd skip that one and try mine |
| 22:03.55 | lardman | or at least look at how the structure differs |
| 22:04.37 | baddu | lardman: ok, i have that also, i had some problems loading all the programs to the dsp today (good old ABORTADR) and suddenly everything started to work again |
| 22:05.24 | lardman | run "dsp_dld -p" in a other term to see what's causing the ABORTADR; as often as not it's because the dSP is being awkward and after a reset it works |
| 22:05.42 | baddu | ok, thanks |
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| 22:56.18 | lardman | night all |
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| 23:14.46 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, FOOT |
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