| 00:17.58 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 00:18.15 | TokyoDan | hello |
| 00:29.41 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 00:37.16 | *** join/#maemo Robot101 (i=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk) |
| 00:48.36 | *** join/#maemo dick-richardson (n=joshua@host-118-206-220-24.midco.net) |
| 00:49.03 | dick-richardson | I have never had a much trouble with any peice of software on any platform as I do with Amarok |
| 00:49.53 | dick-richardson | Even so far as to run a complete mysql database for it, but it's still no good |
| 00:50.04 | arachnist | i have never seen any good music players, on any platform, aside from amarok-1.4.x (2.x is rubbish) and xmms2 |
| 00:50.26 | arachnist | and using amarok with mysql doesn't improve things |
| 00:50.47 | dick-richardson | I'm using 1.4.9 but in kde 4 - which is what I think the problem is |
| 00:51.06 | arachnist | using it with postgres *might* improve speed if you have a >=100GB music collection |
| 00:51.36 | dick-richardson | I'm not even touching 20GB |
| 00:52.00 | arachnist | so there's no point in using anything but sqlite in your case |
| 00:53.16 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 00:53.59 | GeneralAntilles | What in the world is up with the guy on -developers stealing the community edition idea? :\ |
| 00:55.42 | *** join/#maemo n800m (n=n800@adsl-75-2-252-191.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:21.06 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@58.213.195.51) |
| 01:23.31 | whodat | having trouble getting sip working on n810, anyone else use it? |
| 01:23.39 | bef0rd | nop |
| 01:23.43 | *** join/#maemo gregorovius (n=diego@host52.190-139-62.telecom.net.ar) |
| 01:26.16 | bef0rd | There are some additional profiles available with rtcomm beta, but, what service are you using? |
| 01:39.39 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan_ (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 01:40.42 | |thunder | i think by using it it breaks other protocols though |
| 01:45.58 | *** join/#maemo dougt_ (n=dougt@c-69-181-65-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:52.04 | *** join/#maemo nn800n (n=n800@adsl-75-2-252-191.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:02.49 | *** join/#maemo Grackle (n=Alex@frenchad3-1.umeres.maine.edu) |
| 02:04.19 | *** join/#maemo jacques (n=jacques@nslu2-linux/jacques) |
| 02:04.41 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 02:08.04 | TokyoDan | hello |
| 02:18.56 | *** join/#maemo Luria (n=Metatron@70.23.222.5) |
| 02:21.25 | *** join/#maemo skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.137) |
| 02:26.54 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan_ (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 02:27.20 | TokyoDan_ | hello |
| 02:30.58 | *** part/#maemo TokyoDan_ (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 02:31.31 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan_ (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 02:34.51 | *** join/#maemo dick-richardson (n=user@host-72-202-220-24.midco.net) |
| 02:36.14 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 02:37.09 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 02:37.37 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 02:53.13 | *** join/#maemo herzi (n=herzi@p578EBC6F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:07.56 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 03:09.32 | lopz | nigtht |
| 03:10.14 | lopz | nigth* |
| 03:10.37 | nn800n | nhigt |
| 03:10.58 | lopz | night* |
| 03:34.10 | *** join/#maemo herz1 (n=herzi@p578EBB45.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:39.02 | *** join/#maemo acydlord_aao (n=acydlord@ip72-201-170-53.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 03:47.26 | *** join/#maemo dougt (n=dougt@c-69-181-65-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:09.08 | *** join/#maemo mbuf (n=user@61.16.248.242) |
| 04:10.07 | *** join/#maemo oilinki3 (n=oil@ppp-124-120-8-113.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 04:17.21 | *** join/#maemo gregorovius_ (n=diego@host142.190-30-144.telecom.net.ar) |
| 04:20.15 | *** join/#maemo lcuk (i=lcuk@cpc1-oldh7-0-0-cust232.manc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 04:20.16 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@62.237.32.82) |
| 04:21.21 | *** join/#maemo chmac (n=chmac@203-58-24-146.tpgi.com.au) |
| 04:26.05 | *** join/#maemo moontiger (n=lauren@c-24-5-78-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:27.03 | *** join/#maemo harryl (n=kcome@121.229.69.165) |
| 04:30.01 | *** join/#maemo rsalveti (n=salveti@189.70.254.7) |
| 04:40.24 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@62.237.32.82) |
| 04:51.28 | *** join/#maemo cyrus__ (n=cyrus@c-24-20-125-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:51.43 | cyrus__ | Is it possible to uninstall an application like wayfinder (since I Just plan on using Maemo mapper)? |
| 04:54.54 | *** join/#maemo Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 04:56.38 | *** join/#maemo tekojo (n=tekojo@dasasob.nokia.com) |
| 04:57.42 | *** join/#maemo ab (n=ab@pdpc/supporter/professional/ab) |
| 05:03.51 | *** join/#maemo CptLaptop (n=none@unaffiliated/cptnodegard) |
| 05:06.29 | RST38h | yes. |
| 05:37.19 | *** join/#maemo mazzen (n=mortel@u30-237.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 05:37.49 | *** join/#maemo moontiger (n=lauren@c-24-5-78-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:39.58 | *** join/#maemo juergbi (n=juerg@84-73-142-233.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:41.28 | *** join/#maemo dougt (n=dougt@c-69-181-65-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:43.14 | *** join/#maemo oilinki (n=oil@ppp-124-120-16-47.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 05:43.23 | *** join/#maemo nn800n (n=n800@75.2.252.191) |
| 05:48.29 | *** join/#maemo z72ka (n=72ka@mail.vzlu.cz) |
| 05:51.44 | *** join/#maemo minti (n=qvantel@61.16.248.242) |
| 06:04.46 | *** join/#maemo borism (n=boris@195-50-205-119-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) |
| 06:05.06 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 06:10.07 | *** join/#maemo oilinki (n=oil@ppp-124-120-23-100.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 06:17.52 | *** join/#maemo _marcell_ (n=malengye@a88-115-13-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 06:19.12 | *** join/#maemo eocanha (n=eocanha@cm227063.red91-117.mundo-r.com) |
| 06:23.34 | *** join/#maemo murrayc (n=murrayc@p54BD43C5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:28.55 | *** join/#maemo simon_ (n=simon@w208.wist.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 06:32.27 | *** join/#maemo zap (n=zap@28.169.249.ozerki.net) |
| 06:33.48 | *** join/#maemo Wikier (n=wikier@cme-staticIP-212-89-8-169.telecable.es) |
| 06:38.16 | *** join/#maemo tobmaster (n=tobmaste@gw.sinnerschrader.com) |
| 06:38.42 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@62.237.32.82) |
| 06:40.00 | *** join/#maemo rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 06:43.22 | *** join/#maemo rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 06:43.49 | *** join/#maemo rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 06:54.51 | *** join/#maemo pvanhoof (n=pvanhoof@d54C0C0BA.access.telenet.be) |
| 06:59.22 | *** join/#maemo L0cutus (n=kki@host-84-223-127-159.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 07:10.15 | *** join/#maemo tekojo (n=tekojo@dasasob.nokia.com) |
| 07:15.37 | *** join/#maemo tekojo (n=tekojo@dasasob.nokia.com) |
| 07:19.51 | *** join/#maemo BabelO (n=Fabrice@lun34-2-82-238-28-28.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:27.01 | *** join/#maemo _julian_ (n=julian@dslc-082-082-132-012.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:29.34 | *** join/#maemo StsN800 (n=user@gprs-sonofon-6-nat.mobil.telenor.no) |
| 07:31.31 | *** join/#maemo lbt (n=david@78.32.229.233) |
| 07:34.19 | *** join/#maemo yigal_ (n=yigal@pool-71-118-45-152.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 07:34.26 | *** join/#maemo MangoFusion (n=jamesu@host86-145-164-176.range86-145.btcentralplus.com) |
| 07:35.18 | *** join/#maemo yigal (i=yigalwei@shasta.dreamhost.com) |
| 07:37.26 | yigal | I am trying to remove tetex-base but am getting this error "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: No such file or directory" in fact there are no scripts at all in /var/lib/dpkg/info for this package can anyone help? |
| 07:38.22 | yigal | maybe I can just "touch filename"? |
| 07:40.14 | yigal | no this is not a solution |
| 07:40.25 | *** join/#maemo mk8 (n=kvirc@ip-212-138.sn1.eutelia.it) |
| 07:47.32 | yigal | any hint would be nice |
| 07:49.41 | *** join/#maemo tbf (n=mathias@p54BD43C5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:50.44 | thux | Stskeeps: can i mount another sd card to deblet? what about flash disk? |
| 07:51.39 | yigal | ok, so a little lower level dpkg work was all it takes, "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --remove tetex-base" |
| 07:55.47 | *** join/#maemo fab (n=bellet@monkey.creatis.insa-lyon.fr) |
| 07:57.25 | *** join/#maemo nemo_ (i=nemo@c-76-21-160-106.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 08:00.13 | Stskeeps | thux: yes |
| 08:00.39 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:05.54 | crashanddie | 'ello |
| 08:06.25 | *** join/#maemo ldrn (n=ldrn@h-68-164-169-152.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 08:08.22 | thux | Stskeeps: is there any howtos or docs about mounting and usb-networking etc on deblet? |
| 08:08.57 | Stskeeps | thux: usb networking is simple, usbnet is already set up with ip 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:09.07 | thux | ok |
| 08:09.20 | Stskeeps | so add your default gateway and resolv configuration, - better yet, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:09.34 | Stskeeps | mounting is mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk<whatever>p<whatever> /where/you/want/it :P |
| 08:09.44 | Stskeeps | it is the same as on every other debian |
| 08:09.57 | thux | Stskeeps: and flash disk? |
| 08:10.06 | Stskeeps | usb or? |
| 08:10.18 | thux | deblet |
| 08:10.30 | *** join/#maemo Free_maN (n=Free_maN@217.174.199.201) |
| 08:10.31 | Stskeeps | you can't obviously do usb host and networking at same time :) if that's what you're asking |
| 08:11.01 | thux | no howto mount flash disk where is diablo to deblet |
| 08:11.04 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:11.08 | Stskeeps | look in /mnt/rootfs |
| 08:11.15 | Stskeeps | it's already mounted |
| 08:11.16 | thux | ok |
| 08:11.25 | Stskeeps | next time say internal flash :) |
| 08:11.32 | thux | one more question |
| 08:11.35 | Stskeeps | there's no moving parts, so |
| 08:12.04 | thux | how to change nit-envs if want gnome-basic instead lxde? |
| 08:12.22 | thux | both are installed |
| 08:12.57 | *** part/#maemo lcuk (i=lcuk@cpc1-oldh7-0-0-cust232.manc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 08:13.55 | thux | is it update-alternatives thing? |
| 08:13.57 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@147.17.168.202-static.velocitynet.com.au) |
| 08:14.55 | Stskeeps | think you can apt-get remove nit-env-lxde then |
| 08:14.57 | Stskeeps | well |
| 08:15.01 | Stskeeps | not sure honestly |
| 08:15.14 | Stskeeps | but i would assume it's update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 08:15.16 | Stskeeps | or something |
| 08:15.27 | Stskeeps | i haven't done it recently and it should probably be easier to do :P |
| 08:15.45 | *** join/#maemo TudorGoia (n=tgo@86.122.8.46) |
| 08:17.20 | thux | ok |
| 08:17.24 | thux | thanks |
| 08:19.34 | *** join/#maemo bilboed-pi (n=bilboed@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:20.36 | *** join/#maemo broken_ladder (n=cvs@c-67-188-42-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 08:20.52 | broken_ladder | i noticed that your communit council elections use plurality voting, more or less. |
| 08:21.25 | broken_ladder | i'm with a group headed by a princeton math ph.d., which studies voting methods, and could help you get dramatically better results by using a better voting method. |
| 08:21.36 | broken_ladder | does anyone know who i could talk to about this, within the maemo community? |
| 08:23.03 | *** join/#maemo bilboed-pi (n=bilboed@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:23.26 | broken_ladder | for instance, fedora uses score voting. |
| 08:23.30 | *** join/#maemo fiekia (i=fie@c-71-62-72-104.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 08:23.36 | broken_ladder | wb |
| 08:23.43 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 08:26.43 | crashanddie | broken_ladder, Probably starting a thread on maemo-community (mailing-list) should be able to get you going |
| 08:28.41 | crashanddie | broken_ladder, this post leaked quite some ink: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-August/000658.html |
| 08:29.39 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 08:30.34 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm off for a job interview in Cambridge, 'later all ! |
| 08:31.27 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:33.10 | Jaffa | crashanddie: the council has a task to suggest a new voting method and voter eligibility criteria and put it to a referndum. A thread on maemo-community with some suggestions would be very useful |
| 08:33.19 | Jaffa | s/crashanddie/broken_ladder/ |
| 08:35.44 | Stskeeps | my god, beagleboards are tiny |
| 08:37.37 | *** join/#maemo trickie|work (n=trickie@a5061.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 08:47.02 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (n=geaaru@host171-212-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 08:47.31 | lardman | morning |
| 08:47.54 | trickie|work | lardman: morning |
| 08:48.02 | lardman | hi trickie|work |
| 08:48.32 | lardman | were you at the summit? If so, my apologies for not getting a chance to say hello |
| 08:49.04 | trickie|work | lardman: no unfortunately, i have been out of the maemo loop for a month or two |
| 08:49.12 | lardman | ah, right |
| 08:49.17 | trickie|work | some good things seem to be coming out though |
| 08:49.30 | *** join/#maemo croppa_ (n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 08:49.47 | trickie|work | lardman: you enjoy it? the summit i mean |
| 08:50.32 | lardman | yeah it was really good, not enough time to talk to everyone I wanted to though :( |
| 08:51.04 | trickie|work | i bet :) |
| 08:51.48 | trickie|work | was just looking through the fremantle details/presentations - looks exciting |
| 08:52.03 | lardman | yes, looks really cool :) |
| 08:52.12 | X-Fade | trickie|work: We missed you at the summit ;) |
| 08:52.49 | trickie|work | X-Fade: awe shucks... yeah i really wanted to come, but i had already organised some holidays before it was even announced at linuxtag |
| 08:52.55 | trickie|work | next time for sure though |
| 08:54.24 | trickie|work | i saw some talk about maybe a miniconf around fosdem |
| 08:54.38 | trickie|work | which would be cool for us (close by :) |
| 08:55.03 | X-Fade | Yes, that would be pretty close ;) |
| 08:56.12 | trickie|work | X-Fade: so was there any running races? im sure dneary would like his title back :) |
| 08:56.13 | trickie|work | ha ha |
| 08:56.31 | *** join/#maemo bilboed-tp (n=bilboed@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:56.36 | dneary | trickie|work: Not this time |
| 08:56.40 | lardman | running to the next bar? |
| 08:56.41 | RST38h | moo, lardman,X-Fade,all |
| 08:56.48 | lardman | hey RST38h |
| 08:56.55 | X-Fade | trickie|work: Well, dneary did some running again ;) |
| 08:56.55 | trickie|work | howdy |
| 08:57.02 | dneary | I came prepared on the Saturday wearing runners, and got to jog quite quickly back from the Berlin wall to give my presentation ;) |
| 08:57.20 | trickie|work | dneary: nice to see you are still in form :) |
| 08:57.27 | lardman | ah, I thought you had the sweats 'cos you were nervous ;) |
| 08:58.10 | dneary | trickie|work: http://88.191.81.118/Results.aspx?RaceId=164 <- I had to go back to Lyon on Saturday night to run this race |
| 08:58.17 | dneary | 1:30:28 |
| 08:58.33 | dneary | bit disappointed not to get under 1:30 |
| 08:59.11 | trickie|work | dneary: not bad though, well done |
| 08:59.19 | dneary | thanks :) |
| 08:59.27 | dneary | I did injure myself though |
| 08:59.43 | trickie|work | i have just started to run again, although amsterdam weather has made that quite a challenge recently |
| 08:59.44 | trickie|work | oh no |
| 09:00.35 | trickie|work | i wished i could have seen the mamona presentations, and met some of the indt guys |
| 09:00.37 | dneary | If they'd take that "specimen" text off the photos, you can see me pretty well in these 4: |
| 09:00.39 | dneary | http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=2723 |
| 09:00.45 | X-Fade | trickie|work: Well, I sat 2 days in the rain and 6 Bft wind while watching the A1GP in Zandvoort :) |
| 09:00.46 | dneary | http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=2724 |
| 09:01.03 | dneary | http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=6692 (in the background) |
| 09:01.14 | *** join/#maemo napsy_ (n=luka@193.2.66.101) |
| 09:01.19 | dneary | http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=6693 (and again) |
| 09:01.28 | Stskeeps | mm, <3 someone just dropped a beagleboard in my lap |
| 09:01.36 | trickie|work | X-Fade: ha, sucker for punishment aye :) |
| 09:01.48 | trickie|work | Stskeeps: lucky duck |
| 09:01.58 | crashanddie | Jaffa, murderer ! |
| 09:02.03 | dneary | They were super lazy |
| 09:02.07 | crashanddie | off, bye |
| 09:02.37 | trickie|work | dneary: nice actions shots |
| 09:02.50 | thux | Stskeeps: does deblet read fstab? (cause diablo doesn't) |
| 09:02.53 | dneary | Rather than having professional photographers who toop thousands of good photos, they set up 2 cameras that started taking pictures one a second at an intermediary slot and at the finish line |
| 09:03.00 | lardman | Regarding the maemo.org re-design, might it be worth having a "Pearl"-like feature for the developer page showing a random Garage project (and not just a pearl, all of them)? There are lots of cool things in there that people don't see |
| 09:03.20 | dneary | Then they use your split times from the chip to get the 3/4 seconds during which you're going through the checkpoint |
| 09:03.24 | dneary | And hoping that you're in there |
| 09:04.58 | trickie|work | lardman: yeah there is a lot of hidden treasure, i find a lot everytime i bother to look through the listings at garage |
| 09:05.03 | RST38h | lardman: Probably not. I would remove the pearl as well. |
| 09:05.19 | RST38h | lardman: unless somebody updates it by hand regularly, it is useless |
| 09:05.47 | lardman | RST38h: How so, just have a new one every day or two, go through the list from project #1, then wrap around |
| 09:06.10 | lardman | actually might need to have 5 displayed at a time, otherwise we'll never make it though |
| 09:07.38 | napsy_ | Hello. I have a gtk+ application for n800 that I need to rotate for 90 degrees. Is there a command to do that? |
| 09:08.34 | Stskeeps | thux: yeah |
| 09:08.45 | thux | good |
| 09:10.18 | *** join/#maemo zap (n=zap@mail.cobra.ru) |
| 09:18.45 | RST38h | lardman: Yea but it is a pearl |
| 09:19.10 | RST38h | lardman: I am sorry to say it, but not every one of 200+ projects on garage deserves to be considered a pearl |
| 09:19.20 | RST38h | napsy: No. |
| 09:19.34 | lardman | I know, I meant to simply have a "Garage Project" sort of list, which updates |
| 09:19.47 | RST38h | lardman: There are already most popular apps (by download), most highly rated apps, and the latest apps |
| 09:19.58 | lardman | I know, I already know about them though :) |
| 09:20.12 | RST38h | lardman: That is because nobody is rotyating them |
| 09:20.14 | lardman | I want to see the cool apps that are either not finished, not working, etc, |
| 09:20.34 | RST38h | lardman: i.e. tje "correct" behaviour would be to select top 25 in each category and rotate through them, 5 at a time |
| 09:20.47 | RST38h | Ah, you want work-in-progress ones! |
| 09:21.20 | RST38h | If there is CVS being hosted for an app at garage, you can also have a list of 5 last-updated-source-code apps |
| 09:21.21 | lardman | I don't care about the top 25 though, I want to see the stuff I don't see |
| 09:21.52 | lardman | that might be interesting, but some projects are small/low update/already stagnating |
| 09:21.52 | RST38h | lardman: tracking CVS updates or a general level of forum discussion should do the trick for you |
| 09:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, terrifying, isn't it? |
| 09:22.26 | lardman | RST38h: hmm, I assume others also suffer from my problem, so if a project isn't well known that won't help |
| 09:22.26 | RST38h | lardman: To hunt for something like this you would really need a human to do the job =( |
| 09:22.28 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes indeed. i'm still astonished with 2gb on a microsd really |
| 09:22.53 | Stskeeps | or whatever smaller ones exist |
| 09:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think there's finally a patch to make OTG work correctly with reasonably recent kernels. |
| 09:23.23 | RST38h | lardman: In other words, we need some pain-in-the-ass guy who scavenges through garage, finds interesting apps, presents them via The Planet and bugs their owners too |
| 09:23.38 | RST38h | lardman: ...and you have just volunteered! =) |
| 09:23.44 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: sounds interesting.. i've yet to have mine booting just yet, just got it 20 mins ago :P |
| 09:23.53 | Stskeeps | will start experiments after exams |
| 09:24.18 | lardman | RST38h: lol |
| 09:25.06 | Stskeeps | btw, wasn't manona's goal to be a open source alternative that acts like maemo? why the .. bloody hell does all the screenshots show enlightenment then? |
| 09:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, haaa. |
| 09:25.55 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder that too. |
| 09:26.33 | Stskeeps | will start compiling up-to-date from hildon application framework packages tonight probably and see if he can get something pretty to run |
| 09:27.29 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet1.png :P |
| 09:27.35 | johnx | Stskeeps, I just built kourou for zaurus zaurus :) |
| 09:27.41 | Stskeeps | johnx: how does it work? |
| 09:27.55 | trickie|work | Stskeeps: well it aims to be an alternative, but it is not aiming to act like maemo |
| 09:28.04 | johnx | Stskeeps, haven't even tried it yet, I just got home and saw the buld finished |
| 09:28.24 | Stskeeps | johnx: it's python so it can't build that hard ;) |
| 09:28.35 | johnx | Stskeeps, dependencies, dependencies, dependencies |
| 09:28.39 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:29.13 | Stskeeps | right, lunchtime.. |
| 09:29.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:29.23 | johnx | dinnertime :P |
| 09:29.38 | RST38h | Stskeeps: mamona is akin to an ancient kraken |
| 09:29.50 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: mmm, network manager - shiny |
| 09:29.58 | RST38h | Stskeeps: from time to time you hear about it in somebody's blog but nobody has seen it, used it, or cares about it |
| 09:30.16 | johnx | RST38h, until it rises from the deep to devour sailors whole? |
| 09:30.33 | RST38h | johnx: that will definitely make my day =) |
| 09:30.41 | trickie|work | RST38h: i beg to differ, i use it exclusively ATM on my n800 |
| 09:30.51 | RST38h | trickie: really? How is it? |
| 09:30.54 | johnx | trickie, how's the battery life compared to os2008? |
| 09:31.08 | *** join/#maemo simon_ (n=simon@w208.wist.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 09:31.09 | RST38h | btw, pretty much the same kind be said about jalimo |
| 09:31.17 | RST38h | s/kind/can/ |
| 09:31.18 | trickie|work | IMHO a better development environment as you have full control of the toolchain |
| 09:31.29 | RST38h | trickie: yes but what about the users? |
| 09:31.34 | trickie|work | the battery life is ok, if you do some tweaks |
| 09:31.41 | johnx | yeah, OE rocks pretty hard for building |
| 09:31.51 | johnx | gets his OE env put back together |
| 09:31.57 | trickie|work | :) |
| 09:32.14 | trickie|work | RST38h: but for a normal user i could see why mamona would not appeal over maemo |
| 09:32.23 | trickie|work | but to hack on it it is great :) |
| 09:33.12 | trickie|work | i really want to try out this new wifi driver |
| 09:33.21 | trickie|work | and the latest omap kernel with mamona |
| 09:34.11 | trickie|work | bbl, ciao |
| 09:41.01 | *** join/#maemo trickie|work (n=trickie@a5061.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 09:41.29 | GAN800 | Welcome back |
| 09:42.00 | trickie|work | ta :) |
| 09:42.57 | *** join/#maemo z72ka (n=72ka@mail.vzlu.cz) |
| 09:48.22 | mikkov_ | is maemo.org/downloads broken for everybody or just for me? |
| 09:48.23 | *** join/#maemo lpotter (n=ljp@CPE-124-191-144-181.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 09:50.07 | *** join/#maemo oilinki (n=oil@ppp-124-121-250-70.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 09:50.51 | *** join/#maemo guardian (n=guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 09:54.29 | solmumaha | mikkov_: slow, but works |
| 09:59.56 | *** join/#maemo straind (n=stupidpe@n080s062.bbr1.shentel.net) |
| 10:00.55 | *** join/#maemo Dar (n=Dar_K@nat/sun/x-fa0d99362a6f3f8f) |
| 10:04.00 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (n=EHS1@kde/hein) |
| 10:04.22 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@62.237.32.82) |
| 10:04.39 | *** join/#maemo hellwolf (n=hellwolf@212.13.37.17) |
| 10:10.36 | *** join/#maemo croppa (n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 10:17.45 | mikkov_ | i get "Fatal error: Class 'midcom_core_temporary_object' not found in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on line 203" error message and partially loaded page |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo z72ka (n=72ka@mail.vzlu.cz) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo ldrn (n=ldrn@h-68-164-169-152.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo yigal (i=yigalwei@shasta.dreamhost.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo dougt (n=dougt@c-69-181-65-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo Grackle (n=Alex@frenchad3-1.umeres.maine.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo DHR (n=hugh@99.226.182.224) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo SDuensin (n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-207.revip2.asianet.co.th) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo booiiing (n=[booiiin@e180012105.adsl.alicedsl.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo gpd (n=gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo ijon_ (n=ijon@dhcp218-262.yandex.ru) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.19 | *** join/#maemo fredix (n=fred@fredix.nodecast.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo dforsyth (n=dforsyth@72.83.249.61) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo ShadowJK (i=jk@terminus.enivax.net) |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo _freelikegnu (n=francisc@freelikegnu.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo acydlord (n=acydlord@ip72-201-170-53.ph.ph.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo flatface (n=flatface@chaoticevil.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo Dar_LAB (n=Dar_K@nat/sun/x-3c99daa543157785) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo timelyx (n=timeless@a88-115-13-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo huehner (n=huehner@india510.server4you.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo disq (n=hede@last.fm/user/disqk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo teprrr (i=tpr@kde/developer/rytilahti) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.20 | *** join/#maemo mortti (i=mortti@norsu.tontut.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:18.21 | *** join/#maemo akiniemi (n=apniemi@dev-126.openlaboratory.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:28.54 | blafasel | Stupid OT question: I have to translate something to english and stumble upon a term here: Some mobile carriers offer a second sim card for a reduced price, for your gf/kid/wife whatever. Any ideas how that might be called in english marketing speech? |
| 10:29.43 | blafasel | German would translate (word by word) to "partner card", but that sounds stupid in german already ;) |
| 10:30.28 | GAN800 | They call those 'family plans' over here. |
| 10:30.38 | johnx | yeah, but it's not exactly the same thing |
| 10:31.38 | blafasel | Nope, we have those as well. |
| 10:31.47 | blafasel | It's more a second sim card on your own contract |
| 10:32.21 | johnx | They don't actually have that in the US as far as I know |
| 10:33.58 | blafasel | Hmm. Aren't most mobile's without sim over there anyway? |
| 10:34.13 | GAN800 | No. |
| 10:34.15 | blafasel | Don't even know the target here, probably UK though (since we have a branch there) |
| 10:34.19 | johnx | half are, half aren't |
| 10:34.44 | blafasel | Interesting, thanks |
| 10:34.50 | johnx | but most carriers want to sell you phone+plan |
| 10:40.46 | *** join/#maemo woglinde (n=heinold@omsk.mi.fu-berlin.de) |
| 10:45.25 | *** join/#maemo z72ka_ (n=72ka@mail.vzlu.cz) |
| 10:46.10 | *** join/#maemo SDuensin (n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com) |
| 10:46.14 | *** join/#maemo disq (n=hede@84.16.227.90) |
| 10:46.23 | *** join/#maemo dforsyth (n=dforsyth@pool-72-83-249-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 10:46.52 | *** join/#maemo flatface_ (n=flatface@chaoticevil.ca) |
| 10:48.27 | Jaffa | blafasel: Probably just "Extra SIM" or - maybe - "Family Plan". The latter wouldn't be self-explanatory. |
| 10:48.30 | *** join/#maemo dougt_ (n=dougt@c-69-181-65-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 10:48.59 | *** join/#maemo gomiam (n=magao@157.88.94.233) |
| 10:50.02 | *** join/#maemo mortti_ (i=mortti@norsu.tontut.fi) |
| 10:50.08 | *** join/#maemo ShadowJK_ (i=jk@terminus.enivax.net) |
| 10:50.23 | *** join/#maemo lcuk (i=lcuk@cpc1-oldh7-0-0-cust232.manc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 10:50.40 | *** join/#maemo fredix_ (n=fred@fredix.nodecast.org) |
| 10:52.29 | *** join/#maemo z72ka_ (n=72ka@mail.vzlu.cz) |
| 10:53.33 | *** join/#maemo x-demon (i=xdemon@dev.null.gs) |
| 10:53.41 | x-demon | hi |
| 10:53.48 | x-demon | anyone using conala? |
| 10:53.52 | x-demon | canola, sorry |
| 10:54.11 | johnx | yup, all the time |
| 10:54.57 | *** join/#maemo timely (n=timeless@a88-115-13-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 10:55.36 | x-demon | i have a problem with tags |
| 10:55.44 | x-demon | i embed a <LYRICS> tag into mp3 |
| 10:55.50 | x-demon | where lyrics stored |
| 10:56.08 | x-demon | after that, canola not reading tags for those songs |
| 11:02.02 | *** join/#maemo booiiing_ (n=[booiiin@e180012105.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:02.22 | *** join/#maemo ijon_1 (n=ijon@dhcp218-262.yandex.ru) |
| 11:03.09 | *** join/#maemo ldrn (n=ldrn@h-68-164-169-152.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 11:03.38 | *** join/#maemo borism_ (n=boris@195-50-207-63-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) |
| 11:04.08 | *** join/#maemo akiniemi (n=apniemi@dev-126.openlaboratory.net) |
| 11:04.45 | *** join/#maemo z72ka (n=72ka@mail.vzlu.cz) |
| 11:05.08 | *** join/#maemo Cwiiis (n=cwiiis@host90-152-48-188.ipv4.regusnet.com) |
| 11:05.45 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:05.51 | *** join/#maemo teprrr (i=tpr@stetson.frozenhat.fi) |
| 11:06.38 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:07.44 | *** join/#maemo Khertan_n810 (n=khertan@193.253.141.89) |
| 11:08.10 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie_ (n=crashand@SecuraBit/listener/crashanddie) |
| 11:08.14 | x-demon | ijon_1>> ÑоÑÑÑдник ÑндекÑа? =) |
| 11:08.56 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@62.237.32.82) |
| 11:09.03 | ijon_1 | x-demon: ÐÐ°Ñ ÑÑо ÑдивлÑеÑ? )) |
| 11:09.11 | x-demon | немного =) |
| 11:09.16 | crashanddie_ | Oy! |
| 11:10.00 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 11:10.20 | crashanddie_ | is on the train o/ |
| 11:10.38 | x-demon | hi |
| 11:11.43 | crashanddie_ | ~ping |
| 11:11.44 | infobot | ~pong |
| 11:12.46 | GeneralAntilles | Nice, crashanddie_. :P |
| 11:13.05 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 11:13.05 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.05 | *** join/#maemo teprrr (i=tpr@kde/developer/rytilahti) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.05 | *** join/#maemo flatface_ (n=flatface@chaoticevil.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.05 | *** join/#maemo yigal (i=yigalwei@shasta.dreamhost.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.06 | *** join/#maemo Grackle (n=Alex@frenchad3-1.umeres.maine.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.06 | *** join/#maemo DHR (n=hugh@99.226.182.224) |
| 11:13.06 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-207.revip2.asianet.co.th) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.06 | *** join/#maemo gpd (n=gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.06 | *** join/#maemo _freelikegnu (n=francisc@freelikegnu.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.06 | *** join/#maemo acydlord (n=acydlord@ip72-201-170-53.ph.ph.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.06 | *** join/#maemo Dar_LAB (n=Dar_K@nat/sun/x-3c99daa543157785) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:13.23 | crashanddie_ | I was in the station, waiting for the train to leave |
| 11:13.26 | Khertan_n810 | rah it thread can t be killed in python |
| 11:13.48 | *** join/#maemo zap (n=zap@mail.cobra.ru) |
| 11:13.49 | crashanddie_ | I was quite surprised when the connection kept going while travelling |
| 11:15.22 | *** join/#maemo MangoFusion (n=jamesu@host86-145-164-176.range86-145.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:25.16 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:28.39 | *** join/#maemo AstralSt (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
| 11:29.30 | *** join/#maemo VDVsx (n=valerio@router-citi.uevora.pt) |
| 11:31.20 | *** join/#maemo huehner (n=huehner@india510.server4you.de) |
| 11:31.25 | *** join/#maemo GAN800 (n=ryan@pdpc/supporter/active/generalantilles) |
| 11:33.09 | *** join/#maemo MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@200.184.118.132) |
| 11:34.32 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 11:36.41 | *** join/#maemo alextreme (n=alex@82-171-161-1.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 11:36.43 | *** join/#maemo teprrr (i=tpr@stetson.frozenhat.fi) |
| 11:42.33 | *** join/#maemo Dar_ (n=Dar_K@nat/sun/x-4ba30cb8565f4693) |
| 11:44.05 | crashanddie_ | Train arrived, I'm off, later |
| 11:44.06 | *** join/#maemo flatface (n=flatface@chaoticevil.ca) |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo flatface_ (n=flatface@chaoticevil.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo yigal (i=yigalwei@shasta.dreamhost.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo Grackle (n=Alex@frenchad3-1.umeres.maine.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo DHR (n=hugh@99.226.182.224) |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-207.revip2.asianet.co.th) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo gpd (n=gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo _freelikegnu (n=francisc@freelikegnu.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo acydlord (n=acydlord@ip72-201-170-53.ph.ph.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:45.34 | *** join/#maemo Dar_LAB (n=Dar_K@nat/sun/x-3c99daa543157785) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:51.01 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (n=EHS1@kde/hein) |
| 11:51.57 | *** join/#maemo k-s (n=gustavo@201.82.39.16) |
| 11:53.40 | *** join/#maemo konttori_ (n=konttori@a88-113-140-60.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 12:03.17 | *** join/#maemo etrunko (n=edulima@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:04.26 | *** join/#maemo birunko (n=birunko@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#maemo yigal (i=yigalwei@shasta.dreamhost.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#maemo Grackle (n=Alex@frenchad3-1.umeres.maine.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#maemo DHR (n=hugh@99.226.182.224) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-207.revip2.asianet.co.th) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#maemo gpd (n=gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#maemo _freelikegnu (n=francisc@freelikegnu.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#maemo acydlord (n=acydlord@ip72-201-170-53.ph.ph.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:10.36 | *** join/#maemo tbf (n=mathias@p54BD7EFE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:10.47 | *** join/#maemo caio1982 (i=caio1982@CAcert-br/caio1982) |
| 12:10.49 | *** join/#maemo rsalveti (n=salveti@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:10.58 | *** join/#maemo murrayc (n=murrayc@p54BD7EFE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:11.14 | *** join/#maemo Dar__ (n=Dar_K@nat/sun/x-8ab9cdda6e4798c3) |
| 12:11.47 | *** join/#maemo skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.137) |
| 12:16.19 | *** join/#maemo aloisiojr (n=aloisio@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:19.04 | *** join/#maemo sp3000 (n=tt@hoasnet-fe21dd00-183.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:21.56 | *** join/#maemo z72ka_ (n=72ka@mail.vzlu.cz) |
| 12:23.59 | *** join/#maemo blade_runner (n=arezende@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.137) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo yigal (i=yigalwei@shasta.dreamhost.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo Grackle (n=Alex@frenchad3-1.umeres.maine.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo DHR (n=hugh@99.226.182.224) |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-207.revip2.asianet.co.th) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo gpd (n=gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo _freelikegnu (n=francisc@freelikegnu.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#maemo acydlord (n=acydlord@ip72-201-170-53.ph.ph.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:25.01 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) |
| 12:27.18 | *** join/#maemo huehner (n=huehner@india510.server4you.de) |
| 12:28.08 | *** join/#maemo chenca (n=chenca@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:30.13 | *** join/#maemo gpd (n=gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:30.14 | *** join/#maemo yigal_ (i=yigalwei@shasta.dreamhost.com) |
| 12:30.14 | *** join/#maemo _freelikegnu (n=francisc@freelikegnu.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:30.14 | *** join/#maemo Grackle (n=Alex@frenchad3-1.umeres.maine.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:30.14 | *** join/#maemo acydlord (n=acydlord@ip72-201-170-53.ph.ph.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:30.30 | *** join/#maemo skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.137) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:30.30 | *** join/#maemo DHR (n=hugh@CPE00606767ed59-CM000f9fa81660.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:30.30 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-207.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 12:32.12 | *** join/#maemo rsalveti (n=salveti@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:32.29 | *** join/#maemo behdad (n=behdad@CPE001217b19226-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 12:33.22 | *** join/#maemo setanta (n=setanta@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:37.06 | *** join/#maemo vivijim (n=vivijim@unaffiliated/vivijim) |
| 12:42.11 | *** join/#maemo harryl (n=kcome@121.229.69.165) |
| 12:46.01 | *** join/#maemo andre____ (n=andre@f053152217.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:49.28 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@78-20-14-109.access.telenet.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 12:50.32 | *** join/#maemo huehner (n=huehner@india510.server4you.de) |
| 12:50.52 | *** join/#maemo jpuderer (n=jpuderer@76-10-162-210.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 12:53.23 | *** join/#maemo matan (n=matan@80.74.115.203) |
| 12:56.05 | Mek | okay, disconnecting a bluetooth keyboard from my n810 while it had caps-lock on is quite annoying :) |
| 13:01.12 | *** join/#maemo Stskeeps (n=chobits@84.238.11.16) |
| 13:06.00 | RST38h | hehe |
| 13:06.25 | RST38h | you mean, CapsLock status is really kept in the host not in the keyboard? |
| 13:09.19 | Mek | apparently... |
| 13:10.01 | X-Fade | Which is true for a PC too. |
| 13:10.38 | X-Fade | Whenever you have a hard hang, you can check it by hitting numlock or caps lock. |
| 13:10.38 | Kegetys | with caps lock bound as additional ctrl that would not have happened :) |
| 13:11.29 | Mek | it is not true at least for mac os x... I can have a different caps lock state on th einternal keyboard and my bluetooth one... |
| 13:11.44 | RST38h | Yep |
| 13:11.54 | X-Fade | Mek: Yes, but it is still kept at the host. |
| 13:11.58 | RST38h | Scancodes have no case although there is a separate scancode for CpasLock |
| 13:11.59 | Kegetys | the OS propably just keeps track of it |
| 13:12.20 | RST38h | Having different states for different keyboards in the host is normal though |
| 13:15.15 | Jaffa | Damnit. Fremantle SDK now in December: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle - not exactly clearly communicated in the spirit of openness. |
| 13:15.33 | *** join/#maemo jpereiran (i=c8c71779@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-64dba8244fa4799a) |
| 13:15.49 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It always has been December. With November as 'good to have'. |
| 13:17.22 | X-Fade | At least, that was what I understand. |
| 13:17.26 | Jaffa | X-Fade: The comment at the summit was "November unless something goes wrong" IIRC |
| 13:17.45 | Jaffa | Or phrased like "we're very hopeful for November" or something. |
| 13:17.46 | Jaffa | ICBW. |
| 13:19.00 | johnx | I'm very hopeful that I'll win the lottery |
| 13:19.02 | Stskeeps | fights with beagleboard serial port |
| 13:19.13 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, straight-through adaptor? |
| 13:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, etc? |
| 13:19.56 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: grabbed a db-19 -> rs232 from some old motherboard |
| 13:19.57 | Stskeeps | s |
| 13:20.06 | Stskeeps | db9, that is |
| 13:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | You mean IDC10 to DB9? |
| 13:20.40 | Stskeeps | yeah, sorry |
| 13:20.45 | Stskeeps | http://www.pccables.com/07120.htm |
| 13:20.49 | RST38h | X-Fade: Wasn't it announced as May? |
| 13:21.08 | RST38h | X-Fade: And if SDK is due in December, does it mean that we can expect a new DEVICE in May? |
| 13:21.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: We're talking about the alpha. |
| 13:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | The red wire should be on the SD end. |
| 13:21.12 | RST38h | Ah |
| 13:21.18 | RST38h | So, May is for the Beta? |
| 13:21.19 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hmm, okay |
| 13:21.28 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, then you'll need a nullmodem cable. |
| 13:21.32 | Stskeeps | got one |
| 13:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929160/ |
| 13:22.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, looks similar to my setup |
| 13:23.08 | Stskeeps | when the red is down to sd all three lamps doesn't light up though |
| 13:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | Serial port should be: 115200 8N1 with no hardware or software flow control. |
| 13:24.19 | Jaffa | RST38h: March-May for the beta; but with weekly updates from alpha->beta. Some suggestion of developer loan devices during the beta timeframe. |
| 13:27.12 | RST38h | Jaffa: Those would most likely have to be devboards though... |
| 13:27.33 | RST38h | Still cool. |
| 13:28.13 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: atleast i'm sure board isn't dead, it makes the beep at boot :P |
| 13:29.00 | *** join/#maemo andrunko (n=andrunko@200.184.118.132) |
| 13:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the two LEDs next to the SD card light when u-boot starts. |
| 13:29.31 | Stskeeps | *nod* that doesn't happen when i have the red down to sd though, and no beep either |
| 13:29.34 | Stskeeps | which is kinda weird |
| 13:30.02 | Stskeeps | i'm powering from usb btw |
| 13:30.39 | Mace` | i'm going to go watch the sanctuary webisodes |
| 13:30.48 | Mace` | the pilot was actually pretty good |
| 13:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | Red down to SD? |
| 13:32.18 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:32.24 | Stskeeps | then the lights don't come on |
| 13:32.31 | Stskeeps | as in, one light, but not the near-sd ones :P |
| 13:32.32 | GeneralAntilles | What is a red down to SD? :P |
| 13:32.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ooooh |
| 13:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | The wire |
| 13:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 13:32.41 | Stskeeps | yes, like you said :P |
| 13:32.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 13:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 13:33.13 | Stskeeps | yeah.. gonna try with power supply now and see if that helps |
| 13:33.19 | GeneralAntilles | You're not holding down USER or anything? |
| 13:33.22 | Stskeeps | nada |
| 13:35.13 | lopz | hola |
| 13:36.02 | Stskeeps | oh that's funky, behaviour changes when on power supply.. |
| 13:36.30 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 13:36.57 | Stskeeps | no terminal stuff but it puts on lights when the plug's red wire is nearby sd :P |
| 13:37.07 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, we have an svg of the logo anywhere? |
| 13:37.37 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Yup |
| 13:37.46 | dneary | It was sent to the mailing list |
| 13:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | Can you poke at http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787? |
| 13:38.58 | *** part/#maemo TudorGoia (n=tgo@86.122.8.46) |
| 13:39.33 | *** join/#maemo rollover (n=tgo@86.122.8.46) |
| 13:44.15 | rollover | hi, does someone knows if a keylogger could be installed on the N810? could it log virtual keyboard entries too? I'm not interested in installing one, I just fear that someone I share the tablet with might have done it! |
| 13:44.49 | Mek | anything is possible with physical access to the device... |
| 13:44.59 | johnx | but I don't know any that exist |
| 13:45.16 | johnx | how experienced is this person with linux? |
| 13:45.45 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@62.237.32.82) |
| 13:45.46 | *** join/#maemo SDuensin (n=Scott@67.sub-75-207-40.myvzw.com) |
| 13:45.51 | rollover | well he has some experience, but he's not a guru :) |
| 13:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know what the logic is behind the soft poweroff interface. |
| 13:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | You can enable it with one method, but you can disable it with the same method. |
| 13:46.25 | *** join/#maemo nn800n (n=n800@2907.artic.edu) |
| 13:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully it finally works again after 10 months. |
| 13:47.17 | RST38h | Ah, forget the soft poweroff |
| 13:47.27 | RST38h | The really cool thing is that Modest finally works! |
| 13:47.29 | johnx | rollover, then I'd say possible but not likely. If it's your tablet, then backup your stuff and reflash. That's one way to be pretty sure |
| 13:47.37 | RST38h | Only took two SSUs |
| 13:47.53 | *** join/#maemo n800m (n=n800@2907.artic.edu) |
| 13:47.53 | RST38h | johnx: He probably means a software keylogger |
| 13:48.41 | johnx | RST38h, yes, I understood. |
| 13:48.51 | johnx | that's why I suggested reflashing... |
| 13:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 13:50.09 | rollover | i know that everything is possible is you begin to program the tablet, I'm just wondering if there is a keylogger for normal linux that can work on maemo, the keyboard being different and maybe virtual and all... |
| 13:50.15 | rollover | if* |
| 13:50.44 | johnx | hmm...tough call actually |
| 13:50.58 | johnx | the virtual keyboard doesn't generate x events I believe |
| 13:51.12 | rollover | programming is out of the question yet, we are just starting to set up the environment |
| 13:51.14 | rollover | and flashing |
| 13:51.39 | RST38h | rollover: No. |
| 13:51.55 | RST38h | rollover: If you want to spy after people, you would have to code your own spy tools. |
| 13:52.00 | RST38h | Next question. |
| 13:52.28 | elekt | haha |
| 13:52.29 | Stskeeps | RST38h: there would be reasonable things for this though - in one project we should do semi-logging to determine user usage of the prototype and stuff though |
| 13:52.38 | johnx | if I were a betting man, I'd say that there aren't any publicly available keyloggers that would log the virtual keyboard. The real question is: Do you think this person has a reason to spy on you? |
| 13:52.51 | RST38h | johnx: I am pretty sure you can create some kind of a transparent window that receives all events, records them, and passes them down X11 (or GTK) window stack |
| 13:53.10 | johnx | RST38h, but the virtual keyboard is pretty different |
| 13:53.21 | RST38h | Stskeeps: yes, but I am not interested unless paid. |
| 13:53.38 | RST38h | johnx: Actually, it should still generate *at least* gtk events, right? |
| 13:53.48 | rollover | won't help much because in the case he installed a keylogger he already has my desktop system's password with allot other passwords stored in the mozilla firefox... and then if he installs another keylogger that can send online info :D... it's a vicious circle |
| 13:53.50 | johnx | RST38h, it's a gtk plugin, so the key press event should never leave the app. You'd need to code it specially just for spying on gtk input methods |
| 13:54.08 | Jaffa | Faked/wrapper around libgtk |
| 13:54.21 | elekt | flash it |
| 13:54.37 | RST38h | johnx: ah |
| 13:54.44 | johnx | rollover, do you really think he would try something like that? why let him use the tablet in the first place? |
| 13:55.19 | johnx | Jaffa, or just replace the hildon-input-method with one that copies out keys to a file :) |
| 13:56.48 | Jaffa | johnx: :) |
| 13:57.16 | RST38h | ah, you evil blackhats! |
| 13:57.31 | RST38h | may the Tentacled One feast on your dirty brain matter! |
| 13:59.02 | rollover | we are coworkers and we are doing learning-work on maemo, we only have one tablet:D |
| 13:59.57 | Stskeeps | rollover: tablet emulator exists |
| 14:00.26 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@135.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 14:00.46 | *** join/#maemo vtx (n=kvirc@headoffice.ukr.net) |
| 14:01.28 | rollover | anyway, if you guys don't know of such a thing, it means nobody shared this publicly, so there's no reason for me to worry, he didn't write any program by himself, that's for sure..., i'll just be carfull what I enter on the device next time... maybe not installing pidgin will help |
| 14:01.35 | rollover | thank you for answers |
| 14:02.35 | *** join/#maemo borism (n=boris@195-50-211-101-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) |
| 14:04.55 | *** join/#maemo vivijim (n=vivijim@unaffiliated/vivijim) |
| 14:05.03 | *** join/#maemo Guilt (n=Karthik@allegro/user/Guilt) |
| 14:05.11 | Guilt | >_> |
| 14:05.19 | *** part/#maemo Guilt (n=Karthik@allegro/user/Guilt) |
| 14:05.23 | *** join/#maemo booiiing_ (n=[booiiin@e180050112.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 14:06.25 | lardman | likes the sound of 2009 events, wonders about costs |
| 14:08.53 | Jaffa | lardman: choose one of: summit or device discount ;-) |
| 14:09.23 | RST38h | "Was performed to add another cpu to the SQL server, which was task switching like crazy." |
| 14:09.27 | RST38h | Jaffa: Device discount. |
| 14:09.36 | lardman | Jaffa: lol |
| 14:09.47 | RST38h | feels like a fortune teller |
| 14:10.22 | RST38h | And if they really LOOK at what that SQL server is doing, they will probably find lots of unoptimized queries not using indices |
| 14:10.49 | Jaffa | RST38h: agreed - though I'd like to have both :) |
| 14:11.18 | RST38h | Jaffa: Meeting is nice but it ends and everybody is back to work |
| 14:11.36 | RST38h | A subsidized device will let me actually do some cool programming |
| 14:12.09 | *** join/#maemo rollover (n=tgo@86.122.8.46) |
| 14:12.24 | lardman | RST38h: meetings are good to talk to people and collaborate, etc, |
| 14:13.22 | RST38h | lardman: talk - yes, collaborate - irc/email is better for that, leaves permanent record |
| 14:14.08 | lardman | RST38h: brainstorming and chatting about ideas are better in person, but make sure you write up the notes afterwards for the record :) |
| 14:14.44 | *** join/#maemo Ryback_ (n=ulisses@enlightenment/developer/ryback) |
| 14:16.59 | RST38h | lardman: complete with beer bottle prints? ;) |
| 14:19.12 | *** join/#maemo harryl (n=kcome@222.94.60.217) |
| 14:19.12 | lardman | of course, alcohol helps the brainstorming, just not the remembering ;) |
| 14:19.16 | *** join/#maemo gomiam (n=Administ@84.79.25.26) |
| 14:20.24 | *** join/#maemo lmoura (n=lmoura@200.184.118.132) |
| 14:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. |
| 14:21.29 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 14:21.31 | *** join/#maemo GAN800 (n=ryan@pdpc/supporter/active/generalantilles) |
| 14:22.08 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, how feasible is it to rename a Garage project after it's created? |
| 14:22.25 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It isn't. |
| 14:22.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, wishful thinking. . . . |
| 14:22.53 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, you can change the name which is displayed. But the unix name isn't possible. |
| 14:23.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, well, I'm just going for it then. |
| 14:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | OK, maybe not. |
| 14:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe just go with Maemo CE and simultaneously collide with Nokia and Microsoft. |
| 14:30.09 | Jaffa | What about Fedora's "spin" term? |
| 14:30.18 | arachnist | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html |
| 14:30.49 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Or, just "Community Distro"? community-distro.garage.maemo.org |
| 14:30.54 | Jaffa | Not very marketingey |
| 14:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | 15 characters == community-distr |
| 14:31.43 | Jaffa | Bah |
| 14:31.58 | GeneralAntilles | Council Edition _would_ be easier in this case. ;) |
| 14:32.10 | Jaffa | heh |
| 14:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | freeporn.garage.maemo.org |
| 14:32.39 | GeneralAntilles | lcuksporn.garage.maemo.org |
| 14:33.00 | lardman | is that porn or sporn? |
| 14:33.12 | lardman | sporn sounds a bit like spawn |
| 14:33.23 | GeneralAntilles | I say let the reader decide. ;) |
| 14:34.07 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Interesting suggestion from Marius on keeping red pill mode but disabling its overuse. |
| 14:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, about turning show all packages and show magic packages off by default? |
| 14:37.47 | GeneralAntilles | osvc.garage.maemo.org |
| 14:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | Short and nonsensical. |
| 14:38.41 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: no, making red-pill a one-time operation for rescue situations rather than leaving it on between runs |
| 14:39.08 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 14:39.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm |
| 14:39.10 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 14:39.24 | *** join/#maemo rollover (n=callller@86.122.8.46) |
| 14:42.41 | whodat | so what is this red pill thing? i thought it was just a joke because the howto tells you to enter the url and then just turn around and hit cancel to abort your entry. lol |
| 14:43.51 | lcuk | oh gawd *facepalm* did I accidentally commit my porn folder to svn again? |
| 14:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | whodat, a special broken mode you don't need to worry about. |
| 14:45.14 | EgS | hrhrhr |
| 14:45.22 | nemo | lcuk: you can erase the most recent version of svn :) |
| 14:45.31 | nemo | lcuk: after backing up the repo ;) |
| 14:45.34 | lcuk | general, without doing a mega scrollback with vnc why is my irc flashing telling me about my porn |
| 14:45.45 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 14:45.53 | lcuk | lol nemo, it *did* take a while to upload |
| 14:46.16 | qwerty12 | finally got a new charger! Go on, drinks on me :P |
| 14:46.31 | nemo | lcuk: why on earth don't you have an svn exclude on your porn folder? |
| 14:46.40 | Mek | qwerty12: credit card number? :P |
| 14:47.04 | lardman | and why is "porn" one of your keywords? |
| 14:47.13 | qwerty12 | Mek, If only... But I'll be happy to take your credit card number and pay you back next time :P |
| 14:47.19 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, we were deciding on what we were gonna call the community edition garage site. |
| 14:47.22 | Mek | :) |
| 14:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | lcuksporn.garage.maemo.org was one of my suggestions. :P |
| 14:47.41 | qwerty12 | 404?! WTF |
| 14:47.50 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, figure out http://outpo.st/rotate/ |
| 14:48.03 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, And do what with it? :P |
| 14:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, make it play nice with Application manager. |
| 14:48.31 | qwerty12 | Meh, I'm a sucky packager (lcuk will be testament to that :P) |
| 14:48.48 | *** join/#maemo mbuf (n=user@61.16.248.242) |
| 14:49.20 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I should be able to update my tablet to the latest SSU (finally!), I can try soon(ish) :) |
| 14:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering if it's 3rd party repo thing |
| 14:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | Says xserver and kernel are missing, but they're clearly available. |
| 14:50.57 | lcuk | qwerty12, you aren't that sucky, you managed it the first time when no1 else did :) i thank you eternally for that. just that it didnt work once I had arranged the data structures wasnt your fault |
| 14:50.58 | *** join/#maemo rollover (n=callller@86.122.8.46) |
| 14:51.47 | qwerty12 | lcuk, :), I can't wait to try out your latest work though :) |
| 14:52.17 | lcuk | theres a package somewhere now, i would dig up the url but vnc is bein a bitch |
| 14:52.27 | lcuk | it should be goin through extras in the next few days as well.. |
| 14:52.33 | qwerty12 | No problems, I remember it was on itt :) |
| 14:52.46 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up/liqbase_0.0.3_armel.deb |
| 14:52.54 | qwerty12 | Ahh, thanks! |
| 14:52.58 | lcuk | loves google at this end |
| 14:53.08 | qwerty12 | is hyped after drinking an entire bottle of boost again |
| 14:53.12 | lcuk | ewwww sideways rain |
| 14:53.29 | lardman | well you do live in the North ;) |
| 14:53.42 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 14:53.44 | qwerty12 | lardman, in the south, it's not much better :( |
| 14:54.23 | lardman | qwerty12: yeah, rain's at about 10 degrees to the horizonal here :) |
| 14:54.34 | lcuk | checks mails and gets back to work |
| 14:55.49 | qwerty12 | lardman, lol, I just walked in the rain back home and it was going in my mouth >.< |
| 14:56.02 | qwerty12 | ~lart the UK for crappy weather |
| 14:56.02 | infobot | takes a big bite out of the UK's jugular vein for crappy weather |
| 14:57.56 | lardman | had to close the window to avoid getting wet behind his computer monitor |
| 14:58.24 | *** join/#maemo E78C8EE4BABA (n=E78C8EE4@office-gw.icgroup.com) |
| 14:59.01 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com) |
| 14:59.25 | *** join/#maemo Zic (n=zic@ubuntu/member/zic) |
| 15:00.16 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: just wait for snow |
| 15:00.34 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, snow's fun because then you can smack people in da face with it |
| 15:00.48 | lardman | Stskeeps: we don't get that in the South much |
| 15:01.27 | qwerty12 | In London, we got an decent amount but nothing like what I remember (from photos anyway) in Halifax |
| 15:04.51 | Stskeeps | your country shuts down when there's 2cm of snow. |
| 15:04.53 | Jaffa | Global warming! We're dooooomed. |
| 15:04.59 | Stskeeps | our busses stop going when there |
| 15:05.04 | Stskeeps | 's atleast a meter |
| 15:05.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:05.34 | lardman | 2cm is optimistic, more like 2mm |
| 15:10.12 | *** join/#maemo fab (n=bellet@bellet.info) |
| 15:13.55 | *** join/#maemo MangoFusion (n=jamesu@host86-145-164-176.range86-145.btcentralplus.com) |
| 15:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | The world would end if it snowed down here. |
| 15:17.52 | qwerty12 | Lol, you lucky bastards with the continual sunniness |
| 15:17.54 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 15:18.17 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 15:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see a beach vacation quite like most people. ;) |
| 15:19.16 | qwerty12 | Gah, my envy meter is rising :P |
| 15:19.23 | lardman | hmm, still not feeling too sorry for you ;) |
| 15:19.54 | GeneralAntilles | Speaking honestly, I hate the beach. |
| 15:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | The water here is like bath water during the summer |
| 15:20.32 | GeneralAntilles | ~80-90°F water temperature |
| 15:20.48 | lardman | enough, you're making me feel sick with envy |
| 15:20.55 | lardman | :) |
| 15:21.04 | qwerty12 | swims to Florida |
| 15:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you don't need to deal with hurricanes. |
| 15:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | and 102°F and 200% humidity isn't as fun as it sounds |
| 15:21.29 | lardman | true |
| 15:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, the insects and huge and plentiful. |
| 15:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | s/and/are/ |
| 15:22.20 | qwerty12 | That's good. It means I have more chance of living out my fantasy of making an insect rest in pieces. |
| 15:22.41 | qwerty12 | prefers scissors to fly swats when I'm hyped |
| 15:23.27 | lardman | katana next step? |
| 15:24.00 | qwerty12 | was thinking about a katana today oddly enough |
| 15:24.37 | lardman | hmmmmm |
| 15:25.06 | lardman | speaking of which, /me wonders where to get ice hockey gloves |
| 15:26.23 | GAN800 | No generic sporting goods chains over there? |
| 15:26.26 | Pavlov | knows several places near sf, but bets that doesn't help |
| 15:26.40 | lardman | GAN800: Ice hockey's not big over here |
| 15:26.58 | Pavlov | i just got some new nike baur ones that are pretty nice |
| 15:27.07 | GAN800 | Hell, I could tell you three places to get ice hokey equipment here. :P |
| 15:27.34 | qwerty12 | I can tell you where to get ice nookie. |
| 15:27.46 | qwerty12 | JD don't seem to have anything for hockey |
| 15:29.27 | Pavlov | huh, nike bauer does custom sticks |
| 15:29.32 | *** join/#maemo NickPitlosh (n=nick@sappy.liquidweb.com) |
| 15:29.33 | Pavlov | on the internets |
| 15:36.43 | lardman | needs gloves for bokken fighting, ice hokey ones seem to stop fingers from getting broken |
| 15:36.54 | lardman | s/fighting/practise ;) |
| 15:37.35 | Pavlov | heh |
| 15:37.47 | qwerty12 | Now that I know lardman's still is working on it, I can insult him for now and not get in a fight later |
| 15:38.18 | lardman | just make sure you've got some gloves when I see you! ;) |
| 15:39.09 | qwerty12 | lardman, who needs the gloves when you got kitchen devils© :P |
| 15:39.44 | *** join/#maemo qnr-lt (n=terry@sourcemage/guru/pdpc.sustaining.qnr) |
| 15:41.11 | lardman | is wondering if he means knives or some sort of oven gloves? |
| 15:41.57 | qwerty12 | makes a file in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/~sfil_li_folder_user_guides/ to combat against shitty post(/pre?)inst scripts |
| 15:42.10 | qwerty12 | lardman, knives but I'm only joking (as unfunny as the joke is) |
| 15:42.29 | lardman | in that case I'll throw my gloves at you and run away ;) |
| 15:42.37 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 15:49.45 | qwerty12 | TF, the update won't let me update because of xserver-xomap. Oh, how I want to strangle the shit that is apt... |
| 15:50.05 | qwerty12 | Looks like xserver-xomap will be getting updated first ;) |
| 15:53.28 | *** join/#maemo Khertan_n810 (n=khertan@193.253.141.73) |
| 15:53.53 | *** join/#maemo manyoso (n=manyoso@pool-71-162-110-42.bstnma.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:54.07 | *** join/#maemo moontiger (n=lauren@adsl-69-232-212-72.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 15:54.08 | manyoso | jott: ping |
| 15:54.29 | moontiger | * Ping reply from manyoso: 0.45 second(s) |
| 15:54.36 | moontiger | not jott but i like pings :) |
| 15:54.52 | manyoso | ooohhk |
| 15:55.03 | moontiger | hehe |
| 15:56.22 | Khertan_n810 | ping |
| 15:56.49 | Khertan_n810 | surprized ... xchat autoreconnect |
| 15:58.13 | jott | manyoso: hello. |
| 15:58.25 | manyoso | hi jott! |
| 15:58.40 | manyoso | i was wondering about the status of the qt4.5 debs |
| 15:58.50 | manyoso | are you building them yet for maemo? |
| 15:59.13 | jott | manyoso: i just did a manual build until now without hildon patches. |
| 15:59.46 | manyoso | any chances you have debs and/or will be making a version with hildon patches? |
| 16:00.31 | jott | manyoso: yes. i think we may have to look how "stable" the current snapshots are to avoid backporting upstream changes. |
| 16:01.24 | manyoso | it is in feature freeze |
| 16:01.35 | manyoso | so stable feature wise at least |
| 16:01.40 | *** join/#maemo rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 16:02.36 | jott | manyoso: yeah i guess we'll try to have something ready in the not too far future. |
| 16:02.45 | manyoso | but if you have 4.5 debs if you could throw them up somewhere, i'd really like to test... with or without hildon integration |
| 16:03.38 | jott | manyoso: no debs. i can give you a tar.gz to be placed in /usr/local/Trolltech (they did not change that :) |
| 16:03.45 | lardman | cu chaps |
| 16:03.57 | manyoso | jott, nah, i'll wait for debs |
| 16:04.02 | manyoso | doing a manual build for now |
| 16:04.55 | jott | manyoso: actually not a big difference for testing. it's all contained in the local dir and you can just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 16:05.27 | manyoso | what's the url? |
| 16:05.39 | jott | hold on i'll put it on a server. |
| 16:06.40 | manyoso | thanks |
| 16:07.31 | jott | it's 148mb extracted. you may want to dump the examples/demos/include dir ;) |
| 16:07.58 | manyoso | cool |
| 16:09.31 | manyoso | bbiab |
| 16:10.45 | jott | yeah only 1 mbit upstream, takes a few minutes :/ |
| 16:15.53 | *** join/#maemo bef0rd (n=befr0d@190.68.1.245) |
| 16:16.23 | *** join/#maemo Pio (n=sean@207.181.14.102) |
| 16:16.54 | jott | manyoso: http://outpo.st/qt45maemo.tar.bz2 (52M) |
| 16:19.01 | *** join/#maemo krutt (n=mk@p5B04795B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:22.03 | *** join/#maemo GNUton (n=antonio@kde/developer/aloisio) |
| 16:22.27 | GNUton | hello people |
| 16:24.09 | *** join/#maemo VDVsx (n=valerio@bl4-236-238.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 16:26.10 | *** join/#maemo cyrus__ (n=cyrus@c-24-20-125-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 16:26.23 | cyrus__ | How can i uninstall the wayfinder application (plan on using maemo mapper)? |
| 16:27.30 | qwerty12 | would like to know what cock packaged pre-installed-documentation-rx34 |
| 16:29.14 | solmumaha | cyrus__: remove the maps app? |
| 16:30.15 | qwerty12 | Since the half done upgrade fucked up my wifi and usb and my card reader sucks balls, I now have to resort to transferring that deb via bluetooth to satisfy osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 16:34.42 | cyrus__ | i ran apt-get autoremove and it listed kernel-diablo-flaster and flash-and-reboot as packages no longer needed |
| 16:34.52 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: the shit debian can pull at times is nothing like what diablo can ;) |
| 16:34.58 | cyrus__ | sorry - kernel-diablo-flasher and flash-and-reboot |
| 16:35.14 | cyrus__ | those seem like needed packages or is it okay to go ahead and remove them? |
| 16:35.37 | Stskeeps | they're kinda needed for initfs and kernel upgrades |
| 16:35.39 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 16:38.55 | cyrus__ | k...i will just leave them on then |
| 16:40.29 | *** join/#maemo _pcfe_ (n=pcfe@a83-245-167-179.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:53.06 | *** join/#maemo henrique_ (n=henrique@189.7.87.38) |
| 16:54.05 | henrique_ | hello, is there some page explaining how to setup a repository so I can distribute my .deb package through a .install file? |
| 16:56.31 | *** join/#maemo ssvb (n=ssvb___@192.194.84.98) |
| 16:56.49 | henrique_ | is it just a debian repo? |
| 16:56.54 | *** join/#maemo zap (n=zap@28.169.249.ozerki.net) |
| 16:57.05 | qwerty12 | W00t, the update fucked up but the windows flasher will automatically flash me to that version with the latest ssu |
| 16:58.36 | melmoth | henrique_: you may host your .install file and use the extras repos |
| 16:58.42 | *** join/#maemo Khertan_n810 (n=khertan@193.253.141.73) |
| 16:58.43 | melmoth | and yes, it is just a debian repo |
| 16:58.57 | Khertan_n810 | <Khertan_n810> i need some advise |
| 16:59.26 | henrique_ | melmoth: the extras repo in maemo.org? |
| 16:59.34 | melmoth | yes. |
| 16:59.49 | melmoth | put your install on your own apache if you want. You will have to add a "AddType application/x-install-instructions .install |
| 16:59.57 | melmoth | " directive of some sort though |
| 17:00.27 | melmoth | the .insall file tells where is the repo located, so it can be on another box |
| 17:00.31 | Khertan_n810 | i on the current development version of mCalendar i create a thread each time user click on the next or previous button which retrieve the event for the month |
| 17:00.33 | henrique_ | melmoth: unfortunately, we must to use a "private" repository, so I just need instruction to create one from scratch |
| 17:00.58 | Khertan_n810 | the thread append event to a gtk.ListStore |
| 17:01.25 | Khertan_n810 | if user don t wait the event list finish to load |
| 17:02.14 | Khertan_n810 | clicking an other time on next or previous button will result in mixing event list for the previous/next month and the current |
| 17:02.27 | Khertan_n810 | i see two way of fixing that |
| 17:02.44 | melmoth | henrique_: regular debian repo (theres doc about it. the main command is dpkg-scanpackages |
| 17:02.50 | Khertan_n810 | try to kill thread (which isn t possible in python) |
| 17:03.15 | Khertan_n810 | so i need to interface threading.Thread |
| 17:03.18 | melmoth | henrique_: braindead simple expl (most probably bad habit though) http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/rapier/refresh.sh |
| 17:03.31 | Khertan_n810 | in my own class |
| 17:03.46 | henrique_ | melmoth: and I just need to follow the structure right? no need to store all the packages as in maemo.org? |
| 17:04.03 | melmoth | henrique_: i think so |
| 17:04.10 | Khertan_n810 | or maybe made a queue list |
| 17:04.20 | Khertan_n810 | someone have other idea ? |
| 17:04.36 | henrique_ | the deps can be retrieved from another repo or I have to put them at the same repo? |
| 17:04.42 | henrique_ | sorry about the off topic, btw |
| 17:04.47 | melmoth | another repo can do |
| 17:04.59 | henrique_ | melmoth: fine, thanks a lot |
| 17:05.20 | melmoth | Khertan_n810: i would disable the possibility to request a new thread while the first one did not finish |
| 17:05.31 | melmoth | or i would use a pool of thread |
| 17:05.44 | melmoth | and disable the possibility of request when the pool is full :) |
| 17:06.20 | Khertan_n810 | melmoth : the problem of pool is that it will slow down you when you want to move fast to the 5th month |
| 17:07.00 | Khertan_n810 | waiting that previous month have finished loading |
| 17:07.37 | melmoth | can you cache several list store, and have them fill when needed, but switch wich one is the model for the widget when the click occurs ? |
| 17:07.49 | melmoth | and send the listore to use as an arg to the thread ? |
| 17:08.41 | Khertan_n810 | melmoth ... hum yep it could be an idea |
| 17:09.00 | melmoth | i dont know if it s a good idea , never did it :) |
| 17:09.16 | Khertan_n810 | i ll look :) |
| 17:10.02 | Khertan_n810 | i still don t understand why python writer don t want to let the programmer killing thread |
| 17:10.26 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com) |
| 17:12.38 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:17.08 | *** join/#maemo Barnabas (n=Barnabas@p54BB4B93.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:17.27 | Barnabas | hey |
| 17:17.37 | Khertan_n810 | melmoth: doesn t seems to work |
| 17:17.48 | Khertan_n810 | i create different object ... |
| 17:17.52 | Barnabas | kann hier jemand deutsch?:) |
| 17:18.19 | inz | Barnabas, nur Englisch |
| 17:18.34 | *** join/#maemo Pebby (n=PebbyWeb@c-24-5-47-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:18.39 | Barnabas | arg..ok i try:) |
| 17:18.45 | Khertan_n810 | and i get an other problem 'too many thread open' |
| 17:18.58 | Khertan_n810 | so i ll try to implement my own thread |
| 17:19.07 | Khertan_n810 | :( |
| 17:19.56 | *** join/#maemo Vudentz (n=luiz@200.184.118.132) |
| 17:19.56 | Barnabas | can someone explain me how i get e2fsprogs on my n770(hacked edition) so i can use MKE2FS |
| 17:22.44 | Barnabas | hello? |
| 17:22.56 | derf | You can just run it from a PC via USB. |
| 17:23.29 | Barnabas | i? |
| 17:23.40 | qwerty12 | Barnabas: What hackers edition you are actually using would be nice. |
| 17:23.43 | whodat | has anyone played with that mythtv port to nokia n810? |
| 17:24.22 | Barnabas | SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 17:24.28 | derf | Connect the 770 to a PC via USB. It's a mass storage device, so the mmc card becomes a set of block devices. |
| 17:24.47 | derf | Run mke2fs on one like normal. |
| 17:25.54 | *** join/#maemo jurop88 (n=jure@213-140-6-99.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 17:25.59 | *** part/#maemo jurop88 (n=jure@213-140-6-99.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 17:26.00 | whodat | so meamo has no /var/log ? :( |
| 17:27.09 | whodat | I am trying to figure out why SIP won't connect to my VOIP provider, it fails and I can't find logs anywhere |
| 17:28.13 | Barnabas | like normal? sry i dont know how i can run mke2fs on a windows |
| 17:28.45 | Khertan_n810 | melmoth: event() should be the solution |
| 17:28.45 | derf | Oh, using Windows is a problem. |
| 17:29.40 | Barnabas | :-/ i know |
| 17:29.41 | Barnabas | :) |
| 17:30.38 | Barnabas | isnt there a catalogue where i can install it? |
| 17:30.56 | qwerty12 | Barnabas: I assume that hackers edition is a form of chinook. Get your armel.deb from here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/e/e2fsprogs/ |
| 17:32.38 | Veggen | barnabas: Or, download a vmware image of scratchbox, run it, and compile the package yourself. |
| 17:34.08 | *** join/#maemo broken_ladder (n=cvs@c-67-188-42-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:34.25 | Barnabas | i try it |
| 17:35.51 | Barnabas | qwerty12: i try to install the e2fsprogs 1.37-2sarge1 i386.deb but it is incopatible |
| 17:35.57 | Barnabas | +m |
| 17:36.12 | qwerty12 | I said get the armel ones. |
| 17:36.25 | qwerty12 | (Though not clearly I must admit) |
| 17:36.28 | Barnabas | sry:-[ |
| 17:38.01 | Barnabas | the same |
| 17:38.40 | qwerty12 | Use dpkg then. You'll need to be root to use dpkg but then again, you'll need to be root to be able to use e2fsprogs properly ;) |
| 17:40.42 | *** join/#maemo VimS (n=vims@dslb-084-061-083-241.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:40.52 | *** join/#maemo rm_you (n=rm_you@66-90-183-243.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 17:43.37 | *** join/#maemo richieeee72 (n=richard@host86-153-227-218.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:43.48 | Stskeeps | gives up on the beagleboard for today and assumes his null modem cable is fucked |
| 17:44.21 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Give the beagleboard to me and I'll check if it's the beagleboard that is not at fault |
| 17:44.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:44.26 | Barnabas | pre-dependency problem: e2fsprogs pre-depends on e2fsprogs (= 1.37-2sarge1) |
| 17:44.34 | Stskeeps | eh. |
| 17:44.37 | Stskeeps | wtf. |
| 17:44.53 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: (sadly?) it's my works |
| 17:45.10 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I wont tell :P :) |
| 17:45.43 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:46.00 | qwerty12 | I don't even have any serial ports on my computers anymore. The last computer that did have one, I stripped it apart and used it to chip my xbox via hotswap. |
| 17:46.16 | *** part/#maemo richieeee72 (n=richard@host86-153-227-218.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:52.42 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 17:54.09 | *** join/#maemo secureendpoints (i=chatzill@61.sub-75-222-86.myvzw.com) |
| 18:02.30 | *** part/#maemo henrique_ (n=henrique@189.7.87.38) |
| 18:08.34 | MangoFusion | no serial ports are great... until you come across a device that *needs* a serial connection |
| 18:09.39 | *** part/#maemo joshin (n=joshin@unaffiliated/joshin) |
| 18:11.47 | *** join/#maemo bilboed (n=bilboed@pdpc/supporter/active/bilboed) |
| 18:12.39 | *** join/#maemo housetier (n=housetie@unaffiliated/housetier) |
| 18:14.47 | *** join/#maemo jeez_ (n=jeez@200.184.118.132) |
| 18:18.03 | *** join/#maemo mgedmin (n=mg@adsl-99-136-97-121.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:19.07 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie_ (n=crashand@SecuraBit/listener/crashanddie) |
| 18:19.48 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie_ (n=crashand@SecuraBit/listener/crashanddie) |
| 18:20.11 | *** join/#maemo svu_ (n=svu@89.100.3.93) |
| 18:21.47 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie__ (n=crashand@nsabfw1.nsab.se) |
| 18:22.49 | *** join/#maemo pupnik810 (n=pupnik@pD9E64455.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:22.53 | pupnik810 | moohoo |
| 18:25.31 | *** join/#maemo woglinde (i=woglinde@78.52.64.146) |
| 18:28.55 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie__ (n=crashand@nsabfw1.nsab.se) |
| 18:29.02 | *** part/#maemo Barnabas (n=Barnabas@p54BB4B93.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:29.03 | solmumaha | evening pupnik810 |
| 18:29.28 | crashanddie__ | ~ping |
| 18:29.28 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:29.38 | crashanddie__ | \o/ |
| 18:32.38 | melmoth | oh, un groslion |
| 18:32.39 | melmoth | oups |
| 18:32.53 | crashanddie__ | stoi le gros lion |
| 18:32.59 | melmoth | ahaha |
| 18:33.18 | *** join/#maemo fr00d (n=andi@unaffiliated/fr00d) |
| 18:33.21 | fr00d | Hello! |
| 18:33.46 | fr00d | How can I add a user in maemo 2.2 on a N770? |
| 18:33.55 | crashanddie__ | you can't |
| 18:34.11 | crashanddie__ | single user interface |
| 18:34.14 | fr00d | *sigh* |
| 18:34.26 | crashanddie__ | and it's 770, not n770 |
| 18:34.39 | woglinde | *g* I wonder how you want to login the other user |
| 18:34.44 | fr00d | How can I set a password for the one user I have? |
| 18:34.48 | woglinde | or only via ssh? |
| 18:34.55 | fr00d | woglinde: Yeah. |
| 18:34.59 | woglinde | passwd |
| 18:35.03 | woglinde | as usal |
| 18:35.34 | fr00d | Tried: The password for user cannot be changed. |
| 18:35.45 | woglinde | sudo gainroot |
| 18:35.49 | woglinde | passwd user |
| 18:36.02 | woglinde | when you are in r&d mode |
| 18:36.23 | Veggen | do you even need r&d mode any more? |
| 18:36.36 | woglinde | veggen dont know |
| 18:36.44 | fr00d | Uih, works.. |
| 18:36.47 | fr00d | fine, thx. |
| 18:36.49 | crashanddie__ | only to be one of the cool kids in the block |
| 18:37.03 | woglinde | frood no prob |
| 18:37.05 | woglinde | its unix |
| 18:37.08 | woglinde | in the end |
| 18:37.21 | crashanddie__ | linux != unix |
| 18:37.24 | crashanddie__ | :P |
| 18:37.29 | woglinde | muahahahaaa |
| 18:37.37 | fr00d | I know but it's 2 years ago I touched this thingy the last time. |
| 18:37.40 | Veggen | crashanddie: for most practical purposes, it is. |
| 18:39.09 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@147.17.168.202-static.velocitynet.com.au) |
| 18:39.40 | crashanddie__ | the disks aren't laid out the same, the network interfaces don't use the same denomination style, one is written by a swedish guy, other is based off some universitarian's PhD project |
| 18:39.47 | crashanddie__ | != |
| 18:39.47 | povbot | crashanddie__: Error: "=" is not a valid command. |
| 18:39.55 | crashanddie__ | oh shut up |
| 18:40.09 | woglinde | *g* |
| 18:40.30 | woglinde | linux isnt even posix certified, windows nt is |
| 18:41.07 | crashanddie__ | who gives a damn about either? (nt and posix) |
| 18:41.15 | Veggen | woglinde: well. That's a truth with modifications. You can make Windows NT posix compliant, you just can't use it for anything in that mode :) |
| 18:41.33 | woglinde | Veggen yeah but it is certifed |
| 18:41.34 | woglinde | *g* |
| 18:41.39 | derf | Veggen: Sure you can. You can use it for procuring government contracts. |
| 18:44.04 | whodat | cras: linux > unix |
| 18:44.19 | crashanddie__ | that's your PoV |
| 18:44.39 | whodat | lol just trying to start something. ;) |
| 18:45.05 | Veggen | whodat: some unix versions have definitely fallen behind, also compared to Linux. |
| 18:45.31 | crashanddie__ | If only FOSS fanboys could stop being so whiny about everything |
| 18:45.41 | Veggen | Others are alive and well and are more than just maintained, but improved continuously. |
| 18:46.47 | whodat | veggen: i just wish we could standardize more. even within linux there are dozens of distros, almost like learning a new OS just to figure out a new distro. |
| 18:46.51 | Veggen | HP-UX is more or less dead. And I haven't heard about many buying AIX for other than to run IBM software that runs best on it. |
| 18:47.11 | manyoso | jott: what date is that qt4.5 snapshot and did you compile it with webkit in? |
| 18:47.27 | whodat | veggen: for instance, maemo linux has no /var/log so I have no idea where logs are kept. ;) |
| 18:47.28 | manyoso | jott: thanks for throwing it up there on the server btw :) |
| 18:48.12 | *** part/#maemo MangoFusion (n=jamesu@host86-145-164-176.range86-145.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:49.40 | whodat | some things about unix in general make no sense. for instances... /usr/bin , /usr/local/bin, /usr/sbin, /sbin, etc etc. with no concrete guidelines as to what path is for what kind of executables. |
| 18:50.25 | crashanddie__ | actually, there are |
| 18:50.53 | whodat | bin:Commands needed during bootup that might be needed by normal users |
| 18:50.55 | whodat | sbin:Like bin but commands are not intended for normal users. Commands run by LINUX. |
| 18:51.02 | whodat | i dont think those rules are followed though |
| 18:51.36 | crashanddie__ | Depends where you look |
| 18:52.45 | crashanddie__ | Any good project/corp will install their daemons to /sbin, any good admin will know he can nfs share /usr/bin, and that local packages should go to /usr/local/bin |
| 18:53.21 | crashanddie__ | local meaning "locally installed and not to be shared with anyone else" |
| 18:53.46 | crashanddie__ | but yeah, no one cares eh ;) |
| 18:54.22 | *** join/#maemo andrunko (n=andrunko@200.184.118.132) |
| 18:54.53 | crashanddie__ | anyway, I'm arriving at London, talk to you when I get back home |
| 18:56.45 | whodat | london, lol.. cool |
| 18:58.13 | crashanddie__ | why lol? |
| 19:00.02 | whodat | would like to go there sometime is all |
| 19:08.48 | *** join/#maemo lukegee (n=lukegee@g228143016.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:08.50 | lukegee | hi, |
| 19:08.59 | lukegee | where can i download x-chat for os2008? |
| 19:09.08 | lukegee | i can only find a version for ps2007 |
| 19:12.55 | lcuk | has 2/10 digits out of action |
| 19:13.44 | woglinde | hm I would try the debian package and compile it in scratchbox |
| 19:14.51 | *** join/#maemo Ensign (n=Ensign@92-236-76-117.cable.ubr14.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:15.48 | X-Fade | Robot101: ping? |
| 19:20.24 | *** join/#maemo JamieBennett (n=jamie@5ac884e1.bb.sky.com) |
| 19:21.42 | lcuk | god damn it, now its 3 and a sore knee |
| 19:21.58 | RST38h | lcuk |
| 19:22.25 | lcuk | tumble dryer in pieces on the kitchen floor... |
| 19:27.38 | *** join/#maemo Ivan_Chelubeev (n=ijon@ppp85-140-189-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 19:27.55 | *** part/#maemo Ivan_Chelubeev (n=ijon@ppp85-140-189-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 19:30.16 | *** join/#maemo andrunko (n=andrunko@200.184.118.132) |
| 19:34.34 | *** join/#maemo kpel (n=mcu@pdpc/supporter/active/kpel) |
| 19:35.34 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:37.03 | *** join/#maemo Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 19:38.07 | *** join/#maemo Mousey (n=welcomem@dsl231-036-060.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 19:38.13 | *** join/#maemo mk8 (n=kvirc@151.16.202.72) |
| 19:43.12 | *** join/#maemo setanta (n=setanta@200.184.118.132) |
| 19:47.37 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie (n=crashand@SecuraBit/listener/crashanddie) |
| 19:50.37 | *** join/#maemo BabelO (n=Fabrice@lun34-2-82-238-28-28.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:51.30 | *** join/#maemo JussiP (n=jpakkane@xdsl-83-145-207-155.nebulazone.fi) |
| 19:57.21 | *** join/#maemo Raytray (n=raytray@unaffiliated/raytray) |
| 20:06.07 | *** join/#maemo ssvb (n=ssvb___@192.194.84.98) |
| 20:08.39 | *** join/#maemo rsalveti (n=salveti@200.184.118.132) |
| 20:10.13 | *** part/#maemo Notrev (i=bd02c1b2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2a796ba3a0ac2e38) |
| 20:11.24 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@135.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:11.54 | *** join/#maemo LowRadio (n=LowRadio@modemcable207.236-57-74.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:12.43 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@135.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:14.07 | *** join/#maemo vivijim (n=vivijim@unaffiliated/vivijim) |
| 20:15.21 | *** join/#maemo tbf (n=mathias@86.56.69.25) |
| 20:15.58 | Stskeeps | yawn |
| 20:16.36 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Are you running this 'debfarm' repo? |
| 20:17.30 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: nop, not me |
| 20:17.48 | yigal_ | is it possible to ssh into my n800 via usb as I've some how bricked the wifi on a failed update, and need to use dpkg/apt to straighten things out? |
| 20:18.01 | Stskeeps | yigal_: got bootmenu? |
| 20:18.28 | Stskeeps | hm, sec |
| 20:18.31 | yigal_ | Stskeeps: on the n800?, I don't think so :( |
| 20:18.42 | Stskeeps | yigal_: got g_ether.ko somewhere in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules? |
| 20:19.21 | yigal_ | Stskeeps: ye |
| 20:19.26 | yigal_ | s/ye/yes |
| 20:19.52 | Stskeeps | yigal_: you might be able to rmmod g_storage and insmod g_ether, and ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 20:20.14 | Stskeeps | and then ssh (if you had this installed already as server on tablet) in from your linux machine :P |
| 20:20.32 | yigal_ | I will try |
| 20:20.34 | Stskeeps | (hin, modprobe usbnet on your linux machine |
| 20:21.02 | woglinde | there is a script for this in the maemo wiki |
| 20:21.14 | yigal_ | good, must look harder |
| 20:21.55 | yigal_ | I have a working os2008 in the flash which I'm using right now, I'll test it on this, and then try it on the borked sd os2008 |
| 20:22.10 | yigal_ | working == wifi works |
| 20:23.40 | yigal_ | woglinde: this it? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ |
| 20:25.44 | yigal_ | ah, but I'm using Debian so I may use http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ |
| 20:26.46 | woglinde | yigal yes it is |
| 20:26.58 | woglinde | debian loads all atutomagicly |
| 20:27.22 | woglinde | if you uses ifplugd and entires in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:29.10 | yigal_ | woglinde: ah, funny I manually modprobed usbnet, but that's good to know |
| 20:29.50 | *** join/#maemo krau (n=cktakaha@200.184.118.132) |
| 20:31.38 | *** join/#maemo danilocesar (n=danilo@200.184.118.132) |
| 20:37.08 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/10/depression.jpg |
| 20:41.33 | *** join/#maemo unique311 (n=chatzill@ool-18be66e9.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:47.58 | *** join/#maemo p| (n=pi@94.161.50.58) |
| 20:49.50 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@135.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:49.54 | *** join/#maemo secureendpoints (n=chatzill@cpe-24-193-47-99.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 20:52.48 | *** join/#maemo hfwilke (n=hwilke_@41.sub-97-25-157.myvzw.com) |
| 20:53.29 | *** join/#maemo behdad (n=behdad@CPE001217b19226-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:53.56 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@135.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:57.52 | crashanddie | on ##c++: (lazertek) so html and c++ are different tho right? |
| 20:59.17 | glass_ | ugh |
| 21:01.13 | *** join/#maemo croppa (n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 21:02.38 | *** join/#maemo hs (n=hugo@189.81.6.36) |
| 21:02.58 | *** join/#maemo housetier (n=housetie@unaffiliated/housetier) |
| 21:10.00 | *** join/#maemo setanta (n=setanta@200.184.118.132) |
| 21:17.09 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@135.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:17.16 | RST38h | crashanddie: Have you applied obligatory torture to the poor thing? |
| 21:17.43 | RST38h | as in persuading him that c++ is actually a subset of html made for embedded devices? |
| 21:17.50 | crashanddie | when did I post it? |
| 21:17.55 | crashanddie | 21:57 |
| 21:17.57 | crashanddie | [22:15] (NthDegree) lazertek: in PHP you have all your strings auto-assigned and don't need char arrays.. all functions work on strings |
| 21:18.05 | crashanddie | My base is doing it for me |
| 21:18.49 | RST38h | do all php functions work on strings? =) |
| 21:20.42 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N800 (n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:20.51 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet2.png <- progress, yay |
| 21:21.36 | crashanddie | RST38h, no |
| 21:22.18 | whodat | can someone explain this red pill thing too me, i dont get it |
| 21:22.45 | crashanddie | whodat, you don't need it, forget about it |
| 21:23.10 | whodat | how do you know i dont need it? ;) |
| 21:23.27 | qwerty12_N800 | because you are asking what it is. |
| 21:23.30 | RST38h | whodat: You know you do not need it when you don't know what it is |
| 21:23.38 | RST38h | If you know what it is you need it |
| 21:23.41 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm not crashanddie and even i can see that. |
| 21:23.53 | RST38h | Is it clear enough> |
| 21:24.21 | crashanddie | "So run back to your mum, your computer and your crack-pipe" |
| 21:24.24 | crashanddie | sorry, off topic |
| 21:24.24 | whodat | lol |
| 21:24.43 | whodat | its step #5 in this tutorial. |
| 21:25.02 | crashanddie | whodat, ok, I'll try to be quick and painless |
| 21:26.16 | crashanddie | whodat, red pill mode will effectively enhance the app manager with features no end user should need. If you find a tutorial that says you need red pill mode, they're probably wrong and it's probably outdated. |
| 21:26.18 | whodat | for installing the beta of voip internet connectionn |
| 21:26.43 | crashanddie | whodat, it will enhance the app manager so much, that it will effectively BREAK your installation |
| 21:26.50 | crashanddie | and in 99% of cases, force you to reflash |
| 21:27.01 | *** join/#maemo MangoFusion (n=jamesu@host86-145-164-176.range86-145.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:27.06 | qwerty12_N800 | btw, anyone know Nokia Chat is about? |
| 21:27.15 | qwerty12_N800 | what^ |
| 21:27.39 | crashanddie | whodat, It is always said clearly "only activate red pill if you know what you are doing", which obviously you don't, hell, even I don't. It's funny, I love it for the matrix reference, but please, unless you want an excuse to reflash, don't use it |
| 21:27.43 | whodat | cras: it just shows more options(buttons) in the app manager? |
| 21:28.26 | crashanddie | whodat, no, it is going to remove filters about which packages to install, it will show all the packages (even libraries, and shit no one cares about), and remove most of the compatibility checks or sumthin |
| 21:29.06 | whodat | oh, so it adds more repositories. |
| 21:29.07 | crashanddie | no |
| 21:29.07 | *** join/#maemo BabelO (n=Fabrice@lun34-2-82-238-28-28.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:29.07 | crashanddie | don't try to outsmart this one, it won't work |
| 21:29.34 | crashanddie | whodat, the repositories contain a whole lot of libraries, specifically, packages which are listed as belonging to something else than user/* categories |
| 21:30.03 | crashanddie | these, by default, or not shown by the package manager (and when trying to install such a .deb, it will yell that the package is incompatible) |
| 21:30.29 | whodat | yeah i know what repositories are, i am only new to maemo, not linux |
| 21:30.37 | *** join/#maemo dick-richardson (n=joshua@host-118-206-220-24.midco.net) |
| 21:30.57 | crashanddie | obviously, you're not that much of a guru |
| 21:30.59 | crashanddie | no offence |
| 21:31.10 | whodat | how do you figure? ;) |
| 21:31.28 | mikkov_ | use apt&dpkg instead of red pill |
| 21:31.44 | crashanddie | indeed |
| 21:31.59 | whodat | mikk: yes, thats what i did. |
| 21:32.19 | crashanddie | whodat, most operations can be carried out with root access, using apt-get (which is the best approach), or using dpkg (though apt will start getting fuzzy after a while) |
| 21:32.49 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, you still owe me a beer |
| 21:33.00 | crashanddie | wait, no, I haven't met you yet, have I, |
| 21:33.01 | crashanddie | ? |
| 21:33.04 | whodat | cras: i know that too, just learning the maemos UI. |
| 21:33.05 | lcuk | you will be waiting a while, the shop wont serve him |
| 21:33.24 | crashanddie | sure they will |
| 21:33.30 | RST38h | http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm |
| 21:33.46 | crashanddie | qwerty12 wouldn't be the first under age youth I'd help get to a beer :P |
| 21:33.46 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, nope :) |
| 21:33.53 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 21:33.53 | RST38h | Wonderful, exactly what we need, yes |
| 21:33.56 | crashanddie | FUCK, why did I just say that on a publicly logged channel |
| 21:34.13 | qwerty12_N800 | /whois crashanddie |
| 21:34.23 | dick-richardson | lol! |
| 21:34.24 | crashanddie | oh well, neighbour's network anyway :P |
| 21:34.42 | crashanddie | I think I'm just going to stfu now |
| 21:34.44 | mikkov_ | now they know that too |
| 21:34.47 | crashanddie | before I confess to murder |
| 21:34.49 | whodat | crash: so where does /var/log/messages i am used to live on maemos |
| 21:34.53 | qwerty12_N800 | good enough to pinpoint yoour location :p |
| 21:35.13 | crashanddie | whodat, doesn't exist |
| 21:35.15 | mikkov_ | whodat: nowhere |
| 21:35.20 | Mousey | whodat, apt-get install sysklogd |
| 21:35.37 | whodat | so all I have is dmesg? |
| 21:35.50 | crashanddie | or install sysklogd |
| 21:35.53 | crashanddie | '-_- |
| 21:35.54 | Mousey | until you install syslog, yah |
| 21:36.21 | Mousey | while true ; do tail dmest ; sleep 2 ; clear ; done |
| 21:36.27 | whodat | mousey: i read a tutorial on getting ssysklogd working, it seemed to be more involved than just installing the package |
| 21:36.27 | Mousey | s/dmest/dmesg/ |
| 21:36.28 | mikkov_ | logging on battery powered embedded device isn't that wise |
| 21:36.44 | RST38h | depends on how many entries you are making per minute |
| 21:37.02 | mikkov_ | you never know when you start logging ;) |
| 21:37.04 | RST38h | flight recorders are embedded and battery powered too |
| 21:37.31 | mikkov_ | but they are made for logging ;) |
| 21:37.31 | crashanddie | RST38h, but the battery is a few tonnes of kerosene |
| 21:37.58 | RST38h | crashanddie: no, it has got its own batteries, same as an airbag in your car |
| 21:38.02 | qwerty12_N800 | whodat, yer, you have to add sdk repo which can be in the list of what not to do with application manager. instead grab the debs and install with dpkg |
| 21:38.39 | qwerty12_N800 | can't figure why i say yer. i blame lcuk :p |
| 21:39.25 | whodat | qwerty: i am trying to get some logging out of the voip client. all it says in the UI is 'cant connect' |
| 21:40.35 | crashanddie | whodat, what voip client? |
| 21:40.44 | Mousey | well there's always the while loop |
| 21:42.35 | *** join/#maemo thux_ (n=thux@bb-81-175-159-78.dsl.phnet.fi) |
| 21:42.45 | whodat | cras: the one that comes with OS2008 |
| 21:42.59 | crashanddie | whodat, would you mind typing my full nickname? |
| 21:43.15 | whodat | lol but its so long ;) |
| 21:43.32 | crashanddie | whodat, cra[TAB] |
| 21:45.59 | whodat | crashanddie: with tab i have to backspace because it adds an extra space. but I will do it just for you <g> |
| 21:48.43 | whodat | hmm is there a 3rd party voip client for maemos |
| 21:49.42 | *** join/#maemo __t (n=t@port-92-195-211-239.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 21:50.39 | *** join/#maemo denny (i=denny@freenode/staff/denny) |
| 21:50.43 | *** part/#maemo dick-richardson (n=joshua@host-118-206-220-24.midco.net) |
| 22:00.15 | *** join/#maemo wom (n=wom@surffer.net) |
| 22:00.21 | *** join/#maemo gregorovius (n=diego@host221.190-139-154.telecom.net.ar) |
| 22:09.15 | *** join/#maemo Raytray (n=raytray@unaffiliated/raytray) |
| 22:11.54 | *** part/#maemo vivijim (n=vivijim@unaffiliated/vivijim) |
| 22:18.21 | Stskeeps | swears at him not being able to make the locales work in hildon on other OS'es |
| 22:19.51 | gregorovius | etrunko: I just posted on the canola beta 10 thread; I installed it from extras-devel, but it refuses to start up |
| 22:20.11 | *** join/#maemo housetier (n=housetie@unaffiliated/housetier) |
| 22:21.59 | Stskeeps | \o/ |
| 22:23.02 | *** join/#maemo mardi__ (n=mardi_@host81-146-3-127.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net) |
| 22:23.04 | etrunko | gregorovius: can you please try the cleanup script ant then install it again? |
| 22:23.47 | gregorovius | etrunko: I don't see it for installation anywhere, should it be in extras? extras-devel? |
| 22:24.02 | *** join/#maemo bef0rd (n=befr0d@190.68.1.245) |
| 22:24.10 | etrunko | gregorovius: under tools extras-devel |
| 22:26.10 | etrunko | gregorovius: found it? |
| 22:26.35 | etrunko | if you haven't installed it yet, please run it like canola -vv |
| 22:27.01 | gregorovius | etrunko: found it, i'm trying to figure out how to use it :) |
| 22:27.14 | gregorovius | Usage: canola-cleanup <executable> |
| 22:27.40 | *** join/#maemo uncorq (n=MI5@70.195.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 22:28.27 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet3.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet4.png |
| 22:28.30 | Stskeeps | goes to bed |
| 22:29.34 | etrunko | gregorovius: there is an icon in the menu |
| 22:29.38 | etrunko | under extras |
| 22:30.14 | etrunko | Stskeeps: nm? r000000cks! |
| 22:30.22 | etrunko | oh my |
| 22:30.28 | etrunko | a dream come true! |
| 22:30.33 | gregorovius | etrunko: it's not showing up for me :S |
| 22:31.12 | etrunko | gregorovius: weird |
| 22:31.14 | etrunko | so |
| 22:31.28 | *** join/#maemo hellwolf (n=hellwolf@a83-132-28-51.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:31.29 | etrunko | gregorovius: canola-cleanup /usr/share/canola-celanup/cleanup.sh |
| 22:31.30 | Stskeeps | etrunko: deblet + hildon + networkmanager + some cx3110x fixes |
| 22:32.08 | etrunko | Stskeeps: does it work on the device? |
| 22:32.56 | Stskeeps | etrunko: i'm sitting with it in my lap :P |
| 22:33.11 | Stskeeps | so yeah |
| 22:33.26 | etrunko | now that's cool |
| 22:36.35 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet5.png as well |
| 22:37.36 | gregorovius | etrunko: it started up fine after canola-cleanup, thanks |
| 22:39.39 | gregorovius | I can only select ~, mmc1 or mmc2 as watch folders, not subfolders of those... is that on purpose? |
| 22:40.29 | *** join/#maemo andrunko (n=andrunko@200.184.118.132) |
| 22:40.40 | etrunko | gregorovius: the subfolders are available only if you have not checked the parent folder |
| 22:41.42 | gregorovius | etrunko: I haven't checked the parent folder, and clicking on 'internal card' or any other doesn't show me the subfolders |
| 22:41.44 | etrunko | just click on the list item |
| 22:41.51 | etrunko | hmm |
| 22:42.37 | etrunko | is there a grey icon on the left? that indicates there are subfolders there |
| 22:42.54 | gregorovius | nope |
| 22:43.39 | gregorovius | gah, nevermind |
| 22:43.54 | gregorovius | file manager isn't seeing the mmc card either, it's not canola-related |
| 22:44.03 | etrunko | in this case there are no subfolders there |
| 22:44.08 | etrunko | :) |
| 22:45.34 | *** part/#maemo LowRadio (n=LowRadio@modemcable207.236-57-74.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:45.47 | *** join/#maemo mazzen (n=mortel@u30-237.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 22:46.16 | *** join/#maemo SDuensin (n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:51.43 | gregorovius | etrunko: is ogg vorbis supposed to work out of the box now? |
| 22:51.53 | *** part/#maemo __t (n=t@port-92-195-211-239.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 22:52.58 | *** join/#maemo rsalveti (n=salveti@189.70.254.7) |
| 22:53.52 | *** join/#maemo eton_ (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-207.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 22:54.26 | *** join/#maemo jpereiran (n=jorge@189.81.185.23) |
| 22:56.35 | etrunko | gregorovius: you only need ogg-support-lightmediascanner installed |
| 22:56.51 | etrunko | which is available from kulve's repo |
| 22:58.25 | gregorovius | oh, that's had a missing dependency since diablo! it works now, thanks |
| 23:01.03 | etrunko | gregorovius: yup |
| 23:03.42 | *** join/#maemo jvai (n=jvai@nmd.sbx07877.washidc.wayport.net) |
| 23:11.57 | *** join/#maemo dick-richardson (n=joshua@host-118-206-220-24.midco.net) |
| 23:22.32 | *** join/#maemo TokyoDan (n=TokyoDan@q014060.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 23:26.22 | Robot101 | X-Fade: pong |
| 23:33.33 | *** join/#maemo EruditeHermit (n=EH3@unaffiliated/eruditehermit) |
| 23:34.00 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: it was the cable |
| 23:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, weird. |
| 23:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | I have a couple of those myself and I'm at a total loss to explain what's different about them. |
| 23:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | You get it working? |
| 23:34.33 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 23:34.37 | EruditeHermit | I haven't flashed yet |
| 23:34.45 | EruditeHermit | but it is loading stuff from flasher |
| 23:34.52 | EruditeHermit | I loaded a backup kernel onto it |
| 23:35.01 | EruditeHermit | but it still reboot looped |
| 23:35.14 | EruditeHermit | how do I disable lifeguard reset |
| 23:35.22 | EruditeHermit | or whatever is causing the reboot loop |
| 23:35.34 | EruditeHermit | I want to try everything to recover this before reflashing |
| 23:35.37 | EruditeHermit | if possible |
| 23:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 23:36.02 | EruditeHermit | I do have a backup if I need to reflash, but a reflash takes a while to get back |
| 23:36.47 | EruditeHermit | is it possible to boot it with the flash image from my computer and repair it? |
| 23:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 23:37.23 | GeneralAntilles | See what lifeguard does |
| 23:37.34 | GeneralAntilles | It'll either boot to a white screen or boot to a desktop |
| 23:37.57 | GeneralAntilles | If wifi is set to automatically connect and you have ssh installed you can get in that way. |
| 23:38.09 | EruditeHermit | yep |
| 23:38.16 | EruditeHermit | I have both setup |
| 23:41.31 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 23:41.44 | EruditeHermit | what is the default user for the tablets? |
| 23:41.46 | EruditeHermit | user? |
| 23:41.52 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 23:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | But it has no password |
| 23:42.26 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 23:42.29 | EruditeHermit | I am logged in |
| 23:44.19 | EruditeHermit | doing a dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:46.30 | EruditeHermit | osso-software-version-rx34 depends on pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (= 5.4); |
| 23:46.38 | EruditeHermit | Version of pre-installed-documentation-rx34 on system is 5.3 |
| 23:46.42 | EruditeHermit | dependency problems |
| 23:47.58 | *** join/#maemo croppa (n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:51.53 | EruditeHermit | dpkg: error processing mce (--configure): |
| 23:51.53 | EruditeHermit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.00 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: any ideas? |
| 23:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | What's /home/user/MyDocs/.documents look like? |
| 23:53.55 | EruditeHermit | http://rafb.net/p/20EotQ43.html |
| 23:53.59 | *** join/#maemo AStorm (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
