IRC log for #maemo on 20081006

00:04.09|thunderlcuk_afk; is that available to install now on my n800 ?
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00:10.17hung_andrewhello all. on N810 DIABLO after running kismet wlan0 remains in monitor mode. so, wlan is broken. Any idea? help, pls.
00:13.09hung_andrew<PROTECTED>
00:14.09|thunderi think you need wireless-tools iwconfig to chagne it back, which is not compiled for armel to my knowledge. does it not reset when you reset the device ?
00:16.44hung_andrewthat is the most interesting, that after reboot all remains the same
00:17.13hung_andrewi have wireless-tools on N810
00:17.23|thunderhmm...  have a look in /etc/network/interfaces   does the word 'monitor' appear there ?
00:17.40hung_andrewiwconfig wlan0 mode ...
00:17.59|thunderother wise it should reset, maybe even try powering down and popping the battery out for a few mins
00:18.44|thunderiwconfig man :  interface mode {managed|ad-hoc|master|...}
00:19.37|thunderManaged
00:19.51|thunderiwconfig wlan0 mode Managed
00:20.02|thunderi'd look in /etc/network/interfaces
00:20.15|thunderotherwise it should dsefauilt to managed on restart
00:20.52hung_andrewno word 'monitor' in /etc
00:21.35|thunderno.
00:21.59|thundercat /etc/network/interfaces
00:22.45hung_andrewnow trying pulling out battery
00:24.00|thundermy /etc/network/interfaces dosnt even have a reference to wlan0, which means it is handled by something else
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00:25.06hung_andrewno 'monitor' in interfaces.. . even rmmod cx3110x, and then insmod cx3110x didnt fix this..
00:25.52hung_andrewoh, i can say the same about mine
00:26.31mouser-|thunder: lcuk has left for the evening, so you know.
00:31.35hung_andrewit DOES work! thanks you
00:31.56hung_andrewthunder
00:32.00|thunderyep
00:32.20|thundernp  :)
00:32.30|thundern8x0 never really powers down all the way
00:32.34|thunderunless batt removed
00:32.44hung_andrewenglish is your native?
00:34.08|thunderyess
00:34.10|thunder;p
00:34.49|thunderif your smart, go take out as much as you can from you ATM tonight
00:34.58|thunderbetter safe than sorry
00:35.25hung_andrewmy n810 was shipped from amazon to russia, so i use russian layout. dont U know, which hotkey changes the layouts?
00:35.38|thunderi have n800
00:35.45|thunderno idea
00:36.20|thunderyou mean on on screen kb ?
00:36.24|thunderto change to russian ?
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00:37.17hung_andrewrussian letters on hardware keyboard, i mean
00:37.36|thunderohh, no idea about that , i have no hard kb
00:37.47|thundern800 here. i wanted 2 SD slots
00:38.46hung_andrewi can do that in control panel, but every time open control panel is not very good idea.
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00:40.08|thunderi gotta get going, glad its back up and running hung_andrew
00:41.01|thunderalso, not all americans are stupid, some of us know that georgia attacked YOU with US CIA aid. were not all ignorant puppets, just so you (a russian) know.
00:41.08hung_andrewok. thank you for help
00:41.11|thunder:)
00:41.57hung_andrewyou are SOO RIGHT
00:42.27|thunderi know, its just that its impossible to convince anyone of it. i watched putin lay out the entire timeline
00:43.08|thunderjump on ##infowars and maybe we can talk about it when i get back in an hour or two if your interested. (thats 2 ##'s)  not 1
00:43.52|thunderbe back later
00:43.56hung_andrewinterested, let's talk
00:44.14|thunderthats warms my heart,     seriously
00:44.19|thunderill be in ##infowars
00:44.25|thunderon this server
00:44.55hung_andrewin 1 or 2 hours?
00:45.28|thundermaybe sooner,   just join now, ill be back in a while, i have to go drop off some baby shower invitations,  ;p
00:46.22hung_andrewok.
00:46.34|thunder:)   afk, be back later
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01:14.29EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: are you about?
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02:02.21EruditeHermitif I do, ./flasher-3.0 -l -k kernel, should that try to boot my tablet with the kernel specified?
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02:04.40EruditeHermitand if I have a reboot loop, is there any way to recover without flashing?
02:06.30dick-richardsonthat's a good question. don't suppose there's a key combo you can press to get to single-user mode on boot...?
02:06.57EruditeHermitdick-richardson: are you asking me?
02:07.05dick-richardsonno, the room in general
02:07.25EruditeHermitdick-richardson: what tablet do you have?
02:07.53dick-richardsonn810, though the hardware keys on a n800 could still be used
02:08.09EruditeHermitI know you can load the tablet running a kernel from an image stored on a computer
02:08.12dick-richardsonin fact...doing so would be forward compatible with the n810
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02:14.26EruditeHermitis maemo.org down?
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02:14.50dick-richardsonhttp://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
02:15.07dick-richardsonI can get to it
02:16.12EruditeHermitdick-richardson: try wiki.maemo.org
02:16.37EruditeHermitdick-richardson: the main maemo site works for me
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02:18.09dick-richardsonIt resolves, but is blank
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02:18.22EruditeHermitok me too
02:18.54EruditeHermityou wouldn't happen to know the command to reflash using Linux would you?
02:19.12dick-richardsonhang on a sec...lemme see if I can find it
02:20.30EruditeHermit./flasher-3.0, -F Desktop/RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f
02:20.34EruditeHermitis what i have
02:20.35dick-richardsonyep
02:20.41EruditeHermitits not working
02:20.50dick-richardsonhow so?
02:20.50EruditeHermitI might have bricked it
02:20.57EruditeHermitIt is still stuck in reboot loop
02:21.07dick-richardsontake the battery out
02:21.10EruditeHermitam I supposed to have the power cord in?
02:21.24EruditeHermityeah I take the battery out and power on and try to flash but it doesn't work
02:21.25dick-richardsonthat's how I start the process...not until everything else is done
02:21.33EruditeHermityes
02:21.35EruditeHermitI did that
02:21.38dick-richardsonso, take the battery out
02:21.43dick-richardsonput it in and leave it off
02:22.03EruditeHermityes
02:22.04dick-richardsonconnect the usb cable and run the command...should get an output saying that it's waiting fora  suitable usb device
02:22.09EruditeHermityes yes
02:22.12dick-richardsonthen plug in the power cord
02:22.13EruditeHermitthats what I am doing
02:22.20dick-richardsonand then wait a while
02:22.57dick-richardsonhmm...any sd cards in the device?
02:23.01EruditeHermityes
02:23.07dick-richardsontry it with them removed
02:23.18dick-richardsonyou've verified the name of the utility and the firmware?
02:23.19EruditeHermithmm
02:23.28EruditeHermityes, I used them before
02:23.30EruditeHermitto flash
02:23.39dick-richardsoncheck the md5sum for the firmware, just for grins
02:23.46EruditeHermitok
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02:23.59EruditeHermitwhen I plugged in, it went bezerk
02:24.15|thunderhung_andrew; you still here ?
02:24.20EruditeHermitit flashed the boot screen repeatedly about 10 times really quickly and then turned off
02:24.33dick-richardsononly thing I can think of is bad sd card, bad firmware, or bad hardware
02:24.42dick-richardsonyou going through a usb hub?
02:25.57EruditeHermitno
02:26.17dick-richardsonmaybe try a different usb port, too...other than that I got nothin'
02:28.05EruditeHermitah crap
02:28.09EruditeHermitI think it is bricked
02:29.51dick-richardson:(
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02:34.25dick-richardsonanyone have a stardict dictionary? I um unable to get one from their site.
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02:43.52GeneralAntillesSounds like low battery.
02:44.15dick-richardsonnot being able to download a dictionary...that's an odd symptom
02:45.14EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: hey, can you help me get my tablet working again?
02:45.20dick-richardsonare you just being sanctimonious again? ;)
02:45.35GeneralAntillesI'm always sanctimonious.
02:45.50GeneralAntillesI always figured it for a quality aspect of my personality than a flaw. :P
02:46.12dick-richardsonhehe
02:46.42EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: I am stuck in the reboot loop even when I try to flash my device
02:46.46GeneralAntillesEruditeHermit, it may not have enough power to start up properly.
02:46.52EruditeHermitoh
02:47.05dick-richardsonor download dictionaries
02:47.23GeneralAntillesI'm not sure how much juice will actually make it into to battery if you leave it connected looping.
02:47.58dick-richardsonyank the battery, put it back and leave it off, and charge it overnight
02:48.29dick-richardsonand DON'T download dictionaries
02:48.30EruditeHermitits not getting to the charging screen
02:48.34GeneralAntillesIf there's enough power to set an RD flag, you could turn the appropriate watchdog off.
02:48.38GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R
02:48.49GeneralAntillesThat will stop it from being killed
02:49.07GeneralAntillesIt should at least be able to charge that way.
02:49.48EruditeHermithmm
02:49.51EruditeHermitnope
02:50.02EruditeHermitthere is no connectivity between the tablet and the device
02:50.12EruditeHermitthe USB icon appears briefly and then disappears
02:50.23EruditeHermitand the console output doesn't indicate that it even finds the device
02:50.39GeneralAntillesOh
02:50.40GeneralAntilleshmm
02:50.44GeneralAntillesWhat USB cable are you using?
02:51.07EruditeHermitI am using a USB cable from an external hard drive that I found
02:51.15EruditeHermitit works with the external hard drive
02:51.19GeneralAntillesEruditeHermit, you mean, you plug in the USB cable, hold down the Home key and power it up, and the USB symbol appears, disappears and it tries to boot?
02:51.29EruditeHermityes
02:51.47GeneralAntillesand you are holding down the Home key?
02:52.12EruditeHermithmm
02:52.30EruditeHermitI guess I wasn't doing that
02:52.31EruditeHermitnow that I did
02:52.41EruditeHermitit is stuck at the screen with the USB icon
02:52.46EruditeHermitand the blue LED is on
02:52.47GeneralAntillesOK, good!
02:52.55GeneralAntillesSend the flashing command.
02:53.14EruditeHermitSuitable USB device not found, waiting
02:53.43GeneralAntillesHrm
02:53.54dick-richardsonplug it in
02:54.05EruditeHermitok
02:54.06EruditeHermitno change
02:54.17EruditeHermitshould I repeat the whole process with it plugged in?
02:54.30GeneralAntillesNo
02:54.40GeneralAntillesNow why wouldn't the computer be seeing the tablet.
02:54.52GeneralAntillesThe tablet knows its plugged in, since it went into flashing mode.
02:55.12dick-richardsonI'd run the command on the desktop...then put the tablet into flashing mode
02:55.23EruditeHermitthats what I did first
02:55.36EruditeHermit^^ @ dick-richardson
02:56.05EruditeHermit<PROTECTED>
02:56.09GeneralAntillesShouldn't matter the order.
02:56.25EruditeHermitalso tried sudo ./flasher-3.0, --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R
02:56.54EruditeHermitwhy does flasher-3.0, have a , after it btw?
02:56.54GeneralAntillesCan you check dmesg or somesuch to see if it enumerates the device?
02:57.17GeneralAntillesWeird proxying on the server.
02:57.30GeneralAntillesIt's downloads as "flasher-3.0, attachment" on Safari.
02:57.58EruditeHermithmm
02:58.05EruditeHermitwhat am i looking for?
02:58.12EruditeHermitgive me something to grep for
02:59.05GeneralAntillesdoesn't use proper Linux machines regularly.
02:59.08bef0rdunplug the devicen then tail -f /var/log/messages, then plug it again and check what appears
02:59.14bef0rds/devicen/device/
03:02.23EruditeHermithmm
03:02.25EruditeHermitI am confused
03:02.32EruditeHermitI plugged in my USB HD in before this
03:02.38EruditeHermitso some of the output may be from that
03:02.41EruditeHermitbut here it is
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03:04.00EruditeHermitactually
03:04.15EruditeHermitnothing new is being added to /var/log/messages
03:05.44EruditeHermitthe last event is the disconnect of the external hard drive
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03:06.28EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles, bef0rd: now what?
03:06.49GeneralAntillesWell, I'd leave it on the charger for a bit.
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03:06.59bef0rdthat must be why the flasher is unable to detect it
03:07.15EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: its not even getting to the charching screen
03:07.24GeneralAntillesI don't think we can entirely rule out the USB cable, as I've had 3 USB cables from external hard drives and card readers that simply do not work with my tablet.
03:07.42GeneralAntillesI can't explain it, I'd expect USB cables to be created equal, but there it was.
03:07.44EruditeHermitbef0rd: is that a problem with the device or the laptop?
03:08.10EruditeHermithmm
03:08.14EruditeHermitcould be the cable yes
03:09.15lopznight
03:09.47bef0rdyea, I get two messages when plugging it with the home key down
03:09.48bef0rdOct  5 22:08:21 pwnzi kernel: [40211.894236] usb 4-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
03:09.49bef0rdOct  5 22:08:21 pwnzi kernel: [40212.091381] usb 4-5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
03:12.06EruditeHermitso is it possible that the device is not behaving properly to generate that kernel event or is it the cable that is not allowing it to work?
03:12.31EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: did you ever try a camera cable?
03:12.46GeneralAntillesProbably
03:12.49GeneralAntillesI think it worked
03:14.26EruditeHermithmm
03:14.36EruditeHermitis there any way to test the cable?
03:14.48EruditeHermitas I don't have access to the real cable for a few more days
03:15.01GeneralAntillesPlug it in and try flashing.
03:16.40EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: nope it didn't work
03:19.34EruditeHermitdamn SSU
03:19.54EruditeHermitruining my tablet
03:23.52bef0rdit seems like there are some cables with 4 pins, and others with 5 pins, could you check if yours has 5?
03:24.43EruditeHermityes it has 5 pins
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03:26.34EruditeHermitbef0rd: actually, does your cable have 5 pins that stick out?
03:27.09EruditeHermitbef0rd: my cable only has 5 pins that are attached to some plastic enclosing the top part of the plug
03:27.33EruditeHermitthey aren't actual pins like you would see in a VGA cable
03:27.59EruditeHermitmore like contacts in a standard USB type A
03:28.38dick-richardsonthat's what the mini usb cable should look like
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03:30.48EruditeHermithow long is the warranty on a tablet?
03:31.07GeneralAntilles1 year.
03:31.14EruditeHermithmm
03:31.25EruditeHermitmaybe I can get a replacement if this doesn't work
03:31.25dick-richardsonI've had no problems with nokia support, give 'em a call
03:32.04bef0rdhttp://images.shopping.msn.com/img/1/2948/28/3074917.jpg
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03:32.47EruditeHermithmm
03:32.55EruditeHermitit looks like the one on the left
03:33.41GeneralAntillesThat's Micro
03:33.58dick-richardsonand only works with the n810
03:34.07GeneralAntillesEruditeHermit, personally, I don't think there's anything wrong that you can't fix.
03:34.40EruditeHermithmm
03:35.04EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: any other ideas for resolving it or do you think its the cable?
03:35.13EruditeHermitbtw thanks guys for helping me
03:35.37GeneralAntillesCable or the low battery.
03:35.41EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: if you are out of ideas, I will wait till I get home 2 days from now
03:35.42GeneralAntillesI'd try leaving it plugged in for a while.
03:35.45GeneralAntilleseven if it's looping.
03:35.49bef0rdoh I thought it was a n810
03:35.54EruditeHermitn800
03:36.15EruditeHermitsorry if I didn't make it clear
03:37.02EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: if it is not charging, the looping may drain battery and stop me from ever solving it right?
03:37.33GeneralAntillesI wouldn't think so, but I can't guarantee it.
03:37.45EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: it was a full battery before all this, and I haven't allowed it to loop for long
03:38.00EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: I keep taking the battery out soon after I see it is looping
03:38.28EruditeHermitI think it is more likely the cable than the battery
03:39.57EruditeHermitits annoying that it partially boots the tablet to charge it
03:40.24GeneralAntillesTrue of just about all consumer electronics.
03:42.04EruditeHermitlaptops don't
03:42.20dick-richardsonbecause the circuitry is separate
03:44.35GeneralAntillesI want some DIP switches for the RD flags for the retro factor.
03:46.02EruditeHermitDIP switches?
03:46.31ricko73EruditeHermit: you've never heard of a DIP switch?
03:46.37EruditeHermitnope
03:46.57ricko73http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIP_switch
03:47.02dick-richardsonhere comes the "back in my day" stories
03:47.03ricko73old skool
03:47.36dick-richardsonI had to punch cards and put telephones on rubber recepticles.
03:48.05ricko73your music probably came on 4-track
03:48.15dick-richardsonI remember blowing the glass for my first monochrome crt
03:48.25EruditeHermitlol
03:49.12ricko73my dad has a reel to reel with a built in 4 track recorder
03:49.41dick-richardsonand we liked it that way
03:50.11ricko73was that before or after you walked to school up hill both ways through 3 feet of snow in the middle of July?
03:50.30dick-richardsonwrapping barbed wire around our bare feet for traction
03:50.30ricko73(with cardboard on your feet because you couldn't afford shoes)
03:50.43EruditeHermitdefinitely after
03:50.47GeneralAntillesOh! Oh! Tell us about the foxes!
03:51.03ricko73anyway, time for bed
03:51.22ricko73I did show off my n810 at BarcampMilwaukee
03:51.36ricko73toted it around all weekend
03:51.57EruditeHermitwhat is a cold flash?
03:52.58ricko73toted means carried it around.
03:53.31GeneralAntillesEruditeHermit, it's a lower-level recovery mode.
03:53.49GeneralAntillesLet's you flash stuff when the bootloader is trashed.
03:53.52GeneralAntillesbut your bootloader is just fine.
03:54.36EruditeHermithmm
03:54.55EruditeHermitI really think its the cable then
03:57.06EruditeHermitmust never forget his cable again
03:57.50GeneralAntillesEruditeHermit, also, install fanoush's bootmenu next time.
03:58.08GeneralAntillesEven if you don't dual-boot, it's still useful for giving you a usbnet console to fix stuff with.
03:58.25GeneralAntillesAlternatively, you could clone a small install to one of your SD cards as a recovery partition.
04:00.49EruditeHermitI just hope that I can fix this and that I don't have to call nokia
04:01.13GeneralAntillesExtremely unlikely.
04:02.30dick-richardsoncan I get audible notification for new mail?
04:02.53GeneralAntillesHrm
04:02.58GeneralAntillesYou can get a visual notification.
04:03.05dick-richardsongot that
04:03.17dick-richardsonand audible+visual for new chats
04:03.32GeneralAntillesI don't know of a configuration for an audible notification for email.
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04:03.42GeneralAntillesYou could hook into dbus to trigger your own
04:03.51GeneralAntillesThen go file an enhancement request.
04:05.07dick-richardsonNot really worth either...just an idle consideration
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04:27.04Macerhm... does xfce use a composite wm?
04:29.17RST38hafaik not
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04:44.01Luriahi, does anyone use ubuntu eee?
04:44.09Luriaoops
04:44.15Luriasorry wrong channel
04:45.49GAN800RST38h, what's the default scaling in windowed mode for VGBA?
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06:34.37tekojoMorning!
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07:04.37tigerto/
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07:15.35RST38hmoo tigert
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07:48.14tigertmoin
07:48.32nomistigert: \o/
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07:48.51nomishi dave.
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07:51.37tigerthi simon
07:54.08nomistigert: remember our discussion at the summit? This is the Game I was talking about: http://members.chello.at/theodor.lauppert/games/ishido.htm
07:55.08tigertnomis: ok
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07:57.31nomisMhm, I at some point had a site with lots of screenshots and different themes. I don't find it anymore.
07:57.57tigertlooks like mahjong
07:58.48nomishttp://www.rawgamer.com/img/magnifier/?fn=dos_pc/i/ishido-the-way-of-stones/screen/ishido-the-way-of-stones-0002.jpg  is a nice theme as well.
07:59.34nomisit is kind of inverse-mahjong. You have to place down stones in matching positions.
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08:01.15nomisI have the game logic in place in a working mockup, but it needs some maemo-porting and tuning-for-touch.
08:01.58nomis(as well as score keeping and stuff)
08:07.50tigertyea
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08:19.25lishevitagood morning, world...
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08:32.50mouser-good morning lishevita
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08:58.17johnxarachnist, likely in gconf
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09:07.37RST38hmoo, johnx
09:07.42johnxm00f!
09:08.59GeneralAntillesClarus!
09:09.29RST38hGAN: iTT has got another "Diablo sucks" thread - I am sure you will be delighted =)
09:09.43GeneralAntillesHe's not much of a troll.
09:09.50RST38hBeats "5 second boot" one hands down
09:10.08RST38hWell, he is not clinically insane like Darius, if you meant that
09:11.31GeneralAntillesThat thread is basically a clone of 2 or 3 others.
09:11.40GeneralAntillesBeen there, done that.
09:11.47GeneralAntillesBored with the "ur just a bunch of stoopid geeks" routine.
09:11.50johnxGeneralAntilles, http://www.avernus.com/~allon/clarus.jpeg
09:12.06GeneralAntillesjohnx, <3
09:13.00johnxRST38h, i smiled at that one til he said "I've been a windows admin for xx years" then I just broke out laughing
09:13.27JaffaYay. Did we have real concrete confirmation of A2DP and AVRCP being out-of-the-box working in fremantle before?
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09:13.53GeneralAntillesJaffa, it was mentioned during the summit.
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09:18.39RST38hjohnx: He is either joking or he is an MSSP
09:19.16johnxor MCSE or another one of the bazillion 4 letter acronyms
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09:20.19RST38hIsn't it like a really BAD thing to boast about on an interview?
09:20.42GeneralAntillesThey usually seem to be Microsoft something or others when they come out of the gate ranting and raving like that.
09:21.25johnxit's a frustrating experience for them to learn that all those years figuring out windows' little quirks didn't actually teach them about what goes on behind the scenes in a computer
09:22.39GeneralAntillesI wonder how many of them are actually certified and not just bringing it up because they thing it'll impress people.
09:22.42RST38hWell, he can always buy an HTC WinMo device. Has anyone suggested him that?
09:23.07RST38hGAN: Oh they are all certified, it does not take much
09:23.28johnxRST38h, he just wants to rant and make personal attacks on his perceived tormenters
09:23.29GeneralAntillesHehe
09:23.45RST38hjohnx: torment him more!!!
09:23.55GeneralAntillesWell, my point was not that it's a difficult thing to attain, only that some of them seem more like dumb children who thing it's an impressive thing to have.
09:24.09johnxheh
09:24.25GeneralAntilless/thing/think/
09:24.30johnxthey do. they're the guy everyone goes to for advice on their own little island
09:24.38GeneralAntilles<- dumb children who doesn't know how to type.
09:24.42johnxthey're king of their backyard
09:27.15GeneralAntillesis king of johnx's backyard.
09:27.20johnxO_o
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09:37.25Stskeepsjohnx: brilliant post on "diablo blows" :P
09:37.59johnxyeah, that might catch a lot of flack from windows users, but I'm ready to back it up
09:38.08AstralSthmmh?
09:38.26johnxAStorm, ITT drama. It was funny so I jumped in
09:38.35AStormlinky?
09:38.48AStormbecause, diablo indeed is unpolished
09:38.50johnxhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24089
09:39.00AStormbut not all that bad
09:39.23johnxAStorm, and if he said "diablo is unpolished" instead of making personal attacks on anyone who posted, it would have gone better for him
09:40.33AStormbtw, I'm getting a message about pidgin 2.5.1 being broken
09:40.39AStormI mean, broken .deb
09:40.54AStormmaemo-extras, diablo
09:40.57StskeepsAStorm: size mismatch?
09:41.02AStormprobably yes
09:41.09Stskeeps3rd person in two days then
09:41.22Stskeepsi wonder if maemo-extras has FS corruption or something :)
09:41.30AStormheh
09:41.38AStormor just broken network connection
09:42.10RST38hAStorm: Well, it is not unpolished enough to grant such a reaction
09:42.35arachnistwhat are the chances of browser not working after latest diablo update?
09:42.39AStormsome people are overly emotional about such imperfect things as OSes
09:42.50AStormarachnist: here it works
09:43.02AStormas in, works better than earlier
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09:43.35arachnisthere it hangs at startup with the "updating" thingny in the upper-right corner
09:43.48arachnistoh
09:43.49AStormalso, modest finally no longer crashes in the background check
09:44.07arachnistand i have to start /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server by hand
09:44.17AStormweird, that shouldn't be needed
09:44.25AStormhow did you upgrade? full reflash?
09:44.41AStormalso, n800 or n810?
09:44.46arachnistn800
09:44.59arachnistand i just ran apt-get dist-upgrade
09:45.04AStormwrong! :)
09:45.04johnxaaah
09:45.07AStormthis might break stuff
09:45.13arachnistreflash?
09:45.14RST38hAStorm: OSes are just large, yellow, striped flies.
09:45.32AStormRST38h: no, those are wasps ;P
09:45.42arachnistAStorm: ssu didn't work the way it was intended to work? ;>
09:45.44AStormor bees ;)
09:45.49Stskeepsarachnist: seamless my ass
09:45.49Stskeeps:P
09:45.55AStormarachnist: ssu works *since diablo*
09:46.09AStorm:)
09:46.21AStormyou get to update manually to diablo itself
09:46.24GeneralAntillesarachnist, SSU works just fine the way it was INTENDED.
09:46.34RST38hAStorm: Osa (russian) - wasp
09:46.34GeneralAntillesarachnist, apt-get dist-upgrade is not how it was intended.
09:46.42AStormRST38h: same in Polish, yup ;)
09:47.11arachnistGeneralAntilles: it was intended to be upgraded with that app manager?
09:47.12AStormarachnist: so, flash diablo, then just use that application manager - this is SSU
09:47.19GeneralAntillesarachnist, yes.
09:47.24arachnisthrm
09:47.36GeneralAntillesIt'll likely be up to speed for a clean dist-upgrade without issue soon enough
09:47.42GeneralAntillesbut Nokia management isn't exactly agile.
09:47.48AStormheh heh
09:48.05RST38hNokia is said to be one of the most bureaucratic companies in Europe
09:48.15AStormdefinitely wrong :)
09:48.25AStormmost likely less bureaucratic than most others
09:48.45AStorme.g. simple TP s.a. AKA Orange Poland ;)
09:49.16RST38hCellular providers cannot participate in the competition
09:49.28RST38hThey are SO FAR ahead of all of us in this aspect...
09:49.34AStormhehe
09:49.58AStormcan academic institutions participate?
09:50.06AStormbecause then, we win
09:50.15RST38hNot really - most of them are pretty good once you puncture the surface
09:50.18AStormI had to enter 3 forms today :>
09:50.46RST38hit's normal, I have lost count of forms circa 1993
09:50.54AStormthen, we get labs where we actually write project bureaucracy^Wdocumentation
09:51.05AStormaccording to some expensive IEEE norm
09:51.24RST38hBut any place that has pieces of paper in the halls saying "Please, do not leave packages with radioactive materials in the hallway" is mighty good
09:51.41AStormheh
09:51.54AStormhere, you have to check them in *with a form*
09:52.32AStormgood we don't have to fill one just to enter the lab
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09:53.22AStormmind you, this isn't any plutonium or uranium
09:53.35AStormjust simple cesium and cobalt isotopes
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10:01.47GeneralAntillesHa. No wonder the tablet was refusing to charge. Left HAVA on.
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10:03.07ShadowJKhm, advanced backlight doesn't play nice with the "normal" backlight stuff.. Like, I switch it entirely off with advanced applet, then shine light at the light sensor, and it comes back on :P
10:03.33johnxShadowJK, buy rm_you an n810 so he can work on it :)
10:03.40GeneralAntillesSwitch what off?
10:03.50GeneralAntillesjohnx, more like find the dsme/mce sourcecode.
10:04.33ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, the backlight, off
10:04.39johnxGeneralAntilles, it's not that interesting really. the problem is that nokia's stuff depends on it
10:05.23ShadowJKThere's probably a daemon or bit in the kernel that reads the ambient light level and adjust backlight strength based on the settings in the "normal" backlight applet or control panel setting...
10:05.52ShadowJKSo whatever setting I make with the advanced backlight applet stays in effect only as long as ambient light level stays the same
10:06.00GeneralAntillesjohnx, well, that code will let us play with light sensor logic for the backlight without having to either A. re-implement or B. step all over Nokia's code.
10:06.22StskeepsDSME is just a framework though..
10:06.34Stskeepsthe modules that it loads are the things that makes it tick
10:06.41johnxI guess if it's open source we can just take it out and replace it with a neutered one that receives the same signals but doesn't do anything
10:06.51GeneralAntillesStskeeps, there are more details on the wiki about what's being released with DSME.
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10:07.04Stskeepsurl?
10:07.14GeneralAntillesStskeeps, wiki.maemo.org
10:07.18GeneralAntillescheck the recent changes
10:07.25GeneralAntillesjohnx, or slap a configuration front-end on it so everybody's happy.
10:07.28AStormShadowJK: yes, advanced backlight doesn't override that daemon
10:07.41AStormShadowJK: set original backlight to zero
10:08.03AStormsomeone should extend adv. backlight with light sensor support
10:08.11AStormmaybe I'll do it later, it's a tiny hack
10:08.24ShadowJKyou can't set original to 0 though?
10:08.30GeneralAntillesAStorm, problem isn't implementing the support, but dealing with Nokia's code.
10:08.34AStormisn't it dme that's setting original backlight?
10:08.40AStormGeneralAntilles: well, you can poll proc
10:08.46AStormthat's enough
10:09.08ShadowJKpoll it and override whenever nokia's software has changed it? heh
10:09.10GeneralAntillesIf adv-backlight is acting on the light sensor input, and Nokia's code is acting on the light sensor input, then they'll just fight eachother.
10:09.13AStormand disable the internal backlight by setting it to lowest level (in control panel)
10:09.13GeneralAntillesWhich doesn't work.
10:09.14ShadowJKI guess inotify doesn't work for /sys...
10:09.19AStormShadowJK: no, you don't have to
10:09.30AStormbecause if you set it to lowest level, autocontrol is disabled
10:09.35ShadowJKah
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10:13.19StskeepsGeneralAntilles: thats a boring oss release
10:13.32GeneralAntillesStskeeps, token open sourcing.
10:13.36GeneralAntillesI'm gonna complain about it.
10:13.56StskeepsGeneralAntilles: most of that is already reverse engineered
10:14.01Stskeepsbut
10:14.47GeneralAntillesWell, we can ship patches with the community edition that'll play nice with the rest of the Nokia stuff without having to play cat and mouse, I guess.
10:14.59Stskeepsif they document all dsme protocol, that would be good
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10:16.21Stskeepsthen oss dsme would be good and some closed modules is fait
10:16.25Stskeepsfair
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10:24.45GAN800andre___, any word on the templates for garage tracking? :(
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10:27.20dfauremany instructions mention "deb http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ diablo extras" for getting qt4, but this repo doesn't seem to exist anymore
10:27.49GAN800It's all in Extras/Extras-devek
10:27.59GAN800~extras
10:28.00infobotmethinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
10:28.49dfaureI got it from repository.maemo.org but qmake --version segfaults  (this is in scratchbox, using target DIABLO_ARMEL)
10:29.37dfaureit's an ARM binary though...
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10:30.10andre___GAN800, uhm, not really... guenther was working on that :-/
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10:31.42GAN800Be cool to have it in time for Canola's open source launch.
10:32.47macoute_is Canola going to be open sourced?
10:32.55macoute_sounds nice
10:33.06macoute_THEN I'd start using it ;)
10:33.54dfaureremoves the ~marijn repo and reinstalls qt4
10:33.55GAN800macoute_, like it really matters? INdT is probably one of the biggest single open source contributors to the platform.
10:34.31macoute_GAN800: I never use closed source alternatives if I have a chance
10:34.40macoute_so to me, it really matters
10:35.27GAN800Meh, it's not like they're some giant proprietary software company.
10:35.57GAN800if it weren't for the Canola guys, we wouldn't have Python, soooo. . . .
10:36.39macoute_I'm not saying that Canola guys are like MS, but I want to support open source alternatives every time i have a chance. Now I do with Canola as well :)
10:38.12GeneralAntillesandre___, when's guenther gonna be active again?
10:38.54andre___he was in Helsinki last week, I hope to find out this week, too
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10:52.38thopiekarhi @ all^^
10:53.24thopiekarcould someone please tell me how to connect a rtcomm(2) with the osso_xterm?
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10:55.11Mekdfaure: the qt packages require a newer qemu than is by default enabled in scratchbox; although I thought the qt packages post-install script nowadays automatically enabled the cvs-m version of qemu in scratchbox
10:58.19Mekdfaure: having said that, the cvs-m version of qemu that comes with scratchbox is not fully capable of running cmake :)
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11:09.20lcukcrashanddie, you idling?
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11:09.20crashanddielcuk, nerd drumming and working out, why?
11:09.42GAN800<_<
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11:11.11crashanddielcuk2, ?
11:11.25lcuk2hiya, internets a bit choppy today
11:12.19crashanddielcuk2, I abandoned Virgin :P
11:12.26crashanddieI'm with BT now :)
11:12.50crashanddieMuch better service, plus, it's free :) My neighbour is such a kind man (even though he doesn't really know this)
11:14.03aquatixrefrains from the virgin jokes
11:14.12aquatixcrashanddie: ah, neighbour service, nice :)
11:14.41crashanddieaquatix, Yeah, not a virgin anymore since a few days \o/
11:14.42macoute_but BT from neighbour?
11:14.58aquatixcrashanddie: grats ;)
11:15.01crashanddie:D
11:15.02macoute_I usually use WLAN from neighbours?
11:15.24crashanddiehang on
11:15.31lcuk2lol crashanddie you might not be virgin anymore, but you are still inexperienced :P
11:15.45crashanddielcuk2, I have more experience that you in certain domains :P
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11:15.53GAN800lol
11:16.01crashanddiethat's the neighbour
11:16.24lcukcrashand1ie, yes, experienced in quick escapes :D
11:17.05lcukchecks his mail
11:17.16lcukchecks his mail
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11:18.28crashand2ieand that's my house :)
11:18.51lcukhang on - that says ntl :P
11:19.00crashanddiewell yeah
11:19.05lcukyou are still a virgin
11:19.17crashanddieThe flatmates in my house still have their virgin account
11:19.25crashanddieBut I use the neighbour's BT :)
11:19.43lcuklaffs heartily and gets in trouble for havin fun
11:20.05macoute_but what is BT? Bluetooth?
11:20.10macoute_British Telecom :)
11:20.12macoute_ah. damn me
11:20.43crashanddiebtw, big lol: "sebastian, you have to pay your internet for this month" "erhm, no I don't use the wifi anymore" "but... but... you're on GTalk right now" "let me rephrase that, I'm not on your wifi anymore" "oh..."
11:21.15aquatixlcuk: don't drink coffee while laughing, it'll only spill the good stuff
11:21.20crashanddiethey "changed the password", I love it how people change the passphrase for their wifi network, but don't change the password for the router setup...
11:21.39aquatixhaha
11:21.44GAN800Haaa
11:22.01GAN800You need to install some fun scripts. :P
11:22.14aquatixhad a neighbour's open wifi network bridged for a while when his adsl wasn't connected yet
11:22.18aquatixgotta love my wrt :)
11:22.20lcukaquatix, ive wasted the black oil on numerous keyboards in the past - as long as you strain it out with your teeth you can just pour it out of the corner of the kb
11:22.25crashanddieI mean, I'm in the same house as them... Do they really believe I'm that ethical I won't connect my laptop in ethernet on the router? Djeezus
11:22.46aquatix:)
11:23.05crashanddieBtw, I just realised something
11:23.14crashanddieYou know the cliché there always is in american movies?
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11:23.25macoute_aquatix: thats a good way to get a weak signal to work better :)
11:23.31aquatixmacoute_: indeed :)
11:23.32crashanddieAbout the French villain who has a week-old beard, and smokes?
11:23.37aquatixmacoute_: even put a key on it ;)
11:23.39macoute_done that too :)
11:23.42macoute_aquatix: :D
11:23.55crashanddiewell sadly, that cliché is exactly me
11:23.59aquatixcrashanddie: you realised it's you?
11:24.00aquatixlol
11:24.07GAN800crashanddie, I'm not familiar with that one. :P
11:24.16GAN800Ha
11:26.25crashanddieGAN800, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vDo2jDTOE
11:26.42dfaureMek: sigh, this is all a lot more complex than it should be :(
11:27.24dfaurewhen I got the 2007 version of the toolchain that was too recent for the maemo sdk...
11:27.39lcukcrashand1ie, i would put up with hot grits down my pants to be that close to natalie portman
11:27.57GeneralAntillescrashanddie, but that's not an American movie. :P
11:28.10GeneralAntilleslcuk, don't be a creeper.
11:28.28crashanddieGeneralAntilles, how could you blame him?
11:28.33lcukok, maybe not in *that* movie, but natalie portman in herself is hot hot hot
11:28.34crashanddieGeneralAntilles, she's a cutiepie
11:28.55crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I'd doggystyle her earrings off if I was given the chance
11:29.26GeneralAntillescrashanddie, yes, it was mostly the context of that movie that made it so wrong. :P
11:29.42lcukgawd crashanddie go n have a hot shower, while you are at it, have a shave
11:29.46crashanddiewith her perfect lips, her impossible hips, and her star wars background
11:29.49crashanddieshe's a nerd wet dream
11:30.32GeneralAntillesSmart, too.
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11:33.16dfaureso, back to maemo, how does one get a working qt4?
11:33.51Mekdfaure: do you want it just for qmake based projects, or will you also be using cmake? :)
11:34.03dfaureMek: I'll be using cmake, obviously
11:34.36Mekdfaure: than you're best chance currently is to build your own qemu from http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/
11:34.50dfaureand if I wait a week do you think things will be better? ;-)
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11:36.35dfaurethis isn't my most pressing task right now, I just thought I could let kde compile while working, seems it's not that simple.
11:36.53Mekdfaure: I doubt it... I believe someone at nokia is working on/will be working on getting cmake and the various qt development tools natively in scratchbox without using emulation for them, but I don't know how long that will take to be done...
11:37.12lcuk_remotehttp://qt4.garage.maemo.org/
11:37.21lcuk_remoteprobably find more info there..
11:38.08aquatixlcuk: hot shower? i think crashanddie needs some cold water to cool down ;)
11:38.24Meklcuk_remote: the problem currently is is that there is no qemu version that can run both the (vfp enabled) qt binaries and cmake...
11:38.28lcuk_remotebut its cold in the uk
11:39.11lcuk_remotemek, ewww why do you need to run emulated? do we not have devices to test these things on?
11:39.34lcuk_remotecannot see the point of designing software for a device but not eating own dogfood
11:39.35dfaurewell to compile the stuff...
11:39.42Meklcuk_remote: you don't want to build kde on the device itself...
11:39.56Mek(well, I don't want to :P)
11:39.59lcuk_remoteHow can I port a Qt application in maemo?
11:40.00GAN800Might be done sometime next year.
11:40.06lcuk_remoteYou need only to compile it in the SDK env.
11:40.12lcuk_remotethats fine, it says its possible
11:40.14dfaurehttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3672 confirms what Mek says
11:40.21dfaurelol, obviously.
11:40.28Mek:)
11:40.55dfauresounds like I'll just wait for the next qemu release then
11:41.53lcuk_remotealas, poor lcuk, i knew him...
11:41.56Mekor the next scratchbox release...
11:42.27dfaureMek: so if you're the one behind the ~marijn repository; why have duplicated qt4 packages there if they're on maemo extras now? that was a bit confusing too
11:42.48lcuk_remotei thought people have been  building and testing and running and porting and doing stuff in qt already, was i wrong?
11:43.11Mekdfaure: ah, I guess I should remove them; they are just a leftover from the time when the official qt4 packages were too old for kde
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11:44.08crashanddieGAN800, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w1MkjmbdHUM
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11:44.27crashanddieGAN800, american movie, french actor poorly shaven and smoking
11:44.32Mekdfaure: okay, no more qt packages in my own repository :)
11:44.52GAN800crashanddie, :P
11:45.07GAN800South Park is also a fair example.
11:45.30lcuk_remotecrashanddie: did you just spend 20 minutes searching youtube for "unshaven french actors"?
11:45.31crashanddieFrench characters are always depicted like this: either very slick, charming, and thus, utterly gay, or very rough, rude, insulting, smoking and unshaven
11:45.44crashanddielcuk_remote, nha, I took a shower too
11:45.54dfaureis a mix of both kinds though
11:46.19dfaureslick and unshaven :-)
11:46.26Mekrude insulting and utterly gay?
11:46.53aquatix:)
11:47.01dfaureah! your repo has what I'm looking for, in fact. korganizer on the n810, here it comes.
11:47.34aquatixmight even be slightly interesting to have jpilot on the n8x0
11:47.34lcuk_remoteback later
11:47.42Mekit is a bit old revision though I think (also there are lots of sreenshots on kde.garage.maemo.org)
11:48.08dfaurea working calendar is better than screenshots  ;)
11:48.21Mektrue
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11:50.44RST38hAnything new and exciting? Floods? Mass executions? Plague epidemic?
11:51.12aquatixonly some overheated crashanddie
11:51.41crashanddieeh?
11:52.24aquatixsomething to do with a cute actress ;)
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13:41.33dfauremilhouse: ping
13:43.44dfaureah I see. internal doesn't mean what I thought it means ;)
13:45.54dfaureMek: is that what you did, to reformat /dev/mmcblk0p1 as ext2?
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13:52.50Stskeepzdfaure: there's a bug where mmcblk0 != internal and mmcblk1 != external always
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13:53.30dfaureheh, why could it ever be simple ;-)  Well there's no external sd card here, this is an off-the-shelf N810.
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14:32.34dfauresuccess! reformatted p1, booted on it, finished install, korg runs.
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14:33.04dfaurecreating the event dialog takes a very long time though.
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15:04.47RST38hUmgh
15:10.12crashanddiehahahahahahaha http://www.koreus.com/video/mariage-premiere-danse.html
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15:11.38GeneralAntillesDid anybody catch that "Show all packages" and "Show magic packages" will be disabled by default in Red Pill?
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15:44.00johnxhuh...the feature upgrade showed up again :/
15:44.58RST38hmaybe it is a new one?
15:45.35qwerty12Nah, no diablo-3 :P
15:46.14qwerty12I think it's due to them actally putting someting in the diablo-3 folder and we all know how much apt gets boners over something of the same version but from a different repo
15:47.57RST38hheh
15:49.35johnxqwerty12, ah, good call
15:49.41crashanddieadded bonus from being on the neighbour's network, your internet doesn't go down when workers cut the power in your house !
15:49.41johnxyup, same version
15:49.55qwerty12:)
15:50.46RST38ha drawback is the opportunity of being arrested in a few overly civilized countries
15:51.06qwerty12crashanddie, I think my neighbours realised after a week I cracked their wifi. I think they changed the ssid, keys and made it hidden. And that AP was *always* on
15:51.40crashanddieqwerty12, I'm very subtle, I don't download, I don't do crazy shit
15:51.49crashanddieI mean, IRC/SMN and surfing is hardly noticeable
15:51.50johnxcrashanddie, just upload?
15:52.31qwerty12crashanddie, Ah, now see, that's where I fail...
15:52.41qwerty12Though I refrained from loading up Utorrent
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15:56.24jiivMorning all.
15:56.33qwerty12afternoon
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16:10.22nemoqwerty12: well. I'm sure their router, if they ever visit it, reports computers on their network
16:10.29nemoqwerty12: I imagine seeing yours on there freaked 'em out
16:11.34RST38hif they know what a router is
16:12.27qwerty12nemo, I have the same router as well and by default, it has no password set so I was able to go into it and delete records of me being there. I don't know if they checked it often because all the settings was at the default. The wireless operation light on the router is pretty shit too. My old netgear flashed depending on the activity, this router just flashes the led once at normal speed to show operation.
16:12.56nemoqwerty12: yeah, but unless you altered the router to not report you on the web page
16:13.05nemoqwerty12: all it'd take is someone signing on at any time
16:13.11nemoqwerty12: and your computer being active
16:13.28nemobut. maybe someone came by and secured their router.
16:13.39nemounrelated to you
16:13.51qwerty12Like I said, it's evident they hardly checked it. For me, them discovering it after a week was fine to me as I only needed it for about 4 days while my broadband was getting changed to another provider.
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16:19.24nemoqwerty12: most of my neighbours use WEP-64
16:19.41nemo'cept for one that is just open.
16:19.52nemoso. can pretty much pick n choose
16:21.50qwerty12Heh, a few years ago, most networks here were open (except for mine of course) but now, it's a different story. Mainly due to the router manufacturers setting default keys rather than the owners of the router setting them...
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16:29.24thopiekarplease check this thread out:
16:29.24thopiekarhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24106
16:29.25thopiekarthanks!
16:30.09Kegetysnp
16:30.14Mekperhaps if you actually mentioned why someone should check that thread out/what it is about someone might actually do that...
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16:31.54thopiekarits about an missing serial module of "python for maemo"
16:32.03yonkeltronis it true that the nokia 810 only supports up to 8gb?
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16:33.00yonkeltronof storage, sorry
16:33.11thopiekardon't know it but has got 8gb on his n95^^
16:33.42Stskeepzyonkeltron: i've heard of 32gb sdhc though
16:33.42Mek8gb + the 2gb that is built in, so at least 10gb in total :P
16:34.12Kegetysyou could plug in an external 1TB USB drive if you want :)
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16:34.23yonkeltronhehe
16:34.50yonkeltroni am just debating the purchase of one but i'd like to use it as an mp3 player
16:35.21yonkeltronwell, ogg really
16:35.25yonkeltronbut still
16:36.10Stskeepzyonkeltron: think most people can say they love their tablets here :P
16:36.50summatusmentisyonkeltron: the battery life isn't good enough to be used as a media player really
16:36.58qwerty12MY TABLET IS A POS! I HATE IT, I'M GONNA BURN THE FUCKER
16:37.01Stskeepzhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23205 mentions stuff about 32gb stuff
16:37.04Stskeepzqwerty12: no charger yet?
16:37.13qwerty12Stskeepz, lol, not yet :P
16:37.50Stskeepzi suspect i might have broken mine in last tablet-cable-my leg on table collision
16:37.54Stskeepzthe charger plug, that is
16:38.18Stskeepzthe nokia is damn robust, imho :P
16:38.30qwerty12Thankfully, the tablets use a standard nokia charger so I ain't in shit trying to get a new one like I was for my pocket pc :)
16:38.35qwerty12For sure! :)
16:38.36Stskeepzyeah
16:39.05EgShttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2368&d=1219863599  <-- what's that dockish-thing at the bottom of the screen?
16:39.35StskeepzEgS: personal launcher maybe?
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16:41.46EgSStskeepz: fancy... didn't knew it could do this
16:42.21Stskeepzdrag at it
16:42.56jiivstskeeps: finally have a bit of free time again, managed to get deblet booting. I really like the gui boot stuff, it's pretty.
16:43.40Stskeepzjiiv: the splash? :P
16:43.51jiivindeed.
16:43.54Stskeepzhehe
16:44.09jiivwell, prettier than watching services start ;)
16:44.32Stskeepzjiiv: was it the EXT_ / INT_ problem?
16:44.34jiiv...and much prettier than a lockup or reboot :)
16:44.56yonkeltronStskeepz: i heard 10 hours with the wifi off!
16:45.20jiivi don't think so initially; i tried s/INT/EXT and also just mmcblk0p1/mmcblk1p1..i ended up just reinstalling over the weekend, then changing to EXT.
16:45.24Stskeepzah
16:45.58yonkeltronStskeepz: is the battery user replaceable?
16:46.04Stskeepzyonkeltron: yeah
16:46.41Stskeepzyonkeltron: it's a bp-5l
16:47.12yonkeltronStskeepz: i'm not familiar with the term
16:47.16yonkeltronoh
16:47.32johnxstandard nokia phone battery :)
16:47.40jiivyonkeltron: fyi, there's also a 'double capacity' aftermarket battery, but it changes the form factor a bit.
16:47.41qwerty12bp-5l is the name we give to the rocket launcher inside the tablets
16:47.57Stskeepzyonkeltron: google
16:47.57Stskeepz:P
16:48.31yonkeltronqwerty12: good codename
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16:48.56qwerty12:P
16:49.36yonkeltronmeh, i'm still paying through the nose for storage
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16:54.20Stskeepzneat, those batteries aren't that expensive :P
16:54.35Stskeepzif i manage to burn mine out
16:54.45johnxeconomics of scale are nice, huh?
16:54.58johnxbut you need a bp-4l for an n810 I think
16:55.03johnxbp-5l is for the n800
16:55.11yonkeltroni meant data storage
16:55.14yonkeltronminsd and whatno
16:55.23johnxhope I didn't get that backwards...
16:55.43Stskeepzjohnx: yeah, bp-5l looks like mine in my tablet
16:56.02jiivjohnx: believe you're correct.
16:56.04Stskeepzjohnx: cheaper than a new tablet :P
17:00.27Stskeepzjohnx: koruou (?) looks interesting, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/kourou/ubuntu/annotate/6?file_id=kourou.py-20080922064852-7n22e6fl6neukt55-6
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17:01.33lcuk2crashanddie,
17:01.50johnxStskeepz, it does. that's why I'm in the process of torturing my zaurus with ubuntu :)
17:03.12Stskeepzhehe
17:04.21thuxthere came upgrade to install deblet, should i reinstall working deblet?
17:04.40Stskeepzthux: dpkg -l | grep tablet-hw?
17:07.54thuxStskeepz: i'm in diablo now have to reboot
17:11.54Stskeepzthux: well, dpkg -l deblet-installer then
17:11.55Stskeepz:P
17:12.04Stskeepz(in diablo)
17:12.32Stskeepzif it's a 2.*, don't bother reinstalling unless you want to install deblet in a file :)
17:12.39Stskeepzyou can just apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
17:12.41Stskeepzin deblet
17:12.50Stskeepzto upgrade to more recent versions
17:12.51qwerty12Stskeepz, now if that was me, by the time you had said that, I'd have already rebooted :P
17:13.36Stskeepzqwerty12: he has two options :P checking deblet-installer and then rebooting to apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, or rebooting into deblet, and dpkg -l | grep tablet-hw and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
17:13.41StskeepzP
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17:15.57Stskeepzboots up his buildbox
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17:18.57thuxStskeeps: tablet-hw-n8x0-nonfree          1.4
17:21.39Stskeepsthux: good, you're running a sane deblet then :) you can as with any sane debian system just do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade to follow upgrades
17:21.53Stskeepsno need to reinstall
17:22.07thux0k
17:22.08Stskeepsunless you're running deblet in a file and want a speedup, but that's avoidable too
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17:23.06Stskeepsanyone know of a good apt repository frontend?
17:23.13Stskeepslike packages.debian.org/packages.ubuntu.com
17:23.22thuxno i have partition
17:23.35Stskeepsgood :
17:23.37Stskeeps:)
17:24.02bef0rdhttp://packages.debian.org/about/
17:25.56Stskeepsmm, wouldn't want to fight with mod_perl
17:27.20bef0rdperl is fun :P
17:27.46Mouseywhat about apt-proxy
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17:28.32Stskeepsjust starting to loose overview what is in deblet repo already :P
17:28.35Stskeepswhich is kinda shamefu
17:28.36Stskeepsl
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17:33.04inzAs much as I hate repeating questions on irc, I'll do it (just this once, I promise): is there any nice way to use maemo device to push data to OSM?
17:36.30Stskeepswhat's OSM again?
17:37.12Stskeepshttp://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openstreetmap.org/msg03355.html
17:37.14Stskeepsmaybe
17:38.44johnxopen street map?
17:41.39inzSts, yes, seems that mosmed was renamed to OSM2Go, but found it thanks to your link
17:42.34Veggeninz: give me a report on it :)
17:43.25VeggenI have a n810 and do OSM a lot, but am still on the traditional Garmin->track->josm road...some way to push data in a simpler way while out in the field could be nice.
17:43.43inzVeggen, sure, might take a while to get to try it though
17:44.03Veggenno problem.
17:44.30inzVeggen, at least the web site says: "not ready for the end user"
17:47.06inzVeggen, there seems to also be Qt based opencitymap -project
17:47.11inzVeggen, gotta try both, I guess
17:47.34Stskeepshildon-theme-layout-4 (>= 0.8.2-1ubuntu3), hildon-theme-layout-4 (< 0.9.0), - weird dependancy of the day
17:47.55Stskeepsnm
17:48.45johnxthat should be a conflict I think
17:49.04johnxconflicts: hildon-theme-layout-4 (> 0.9.0)
17:51.24Stskeepsmm
17:57.54jottinz: i played a bit with markaartor. works quite ok.
17:58.33jottinz: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png
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18:00.32inzjott, did you compile it yourself for maemo?
18:00.52jottinz: yes.
18:01.07jottprobably worth to build a newer version.
18:03.13inzjott, there's a 23M tar.gz in a launchpad ppa :o
18:04.27jottinz: http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/merkaartor
18:04.36jottjust started a build of this one :)
18:04.51inzjott, yeah, the debian source is 1612+15 kB
18:05.26jottthe launchpad version probably contains webkit as the project used it before 4.4 came out.
18:07.37jotterm bundled it..
18:16.56inzjott, debs available yet?
18:17.15Stskeepsjohnx: who was the pkg-maemo debian person in here again?
18:18.14johnxStskeeps, <suihkulokki> is here sometimes
18:19.22Stskeepsjohnx: alright, he should be poked hildon-theme-plankton is now cc 3.0 as they wished for :P
18:19.41johnxw00!
18:20.01johnxI thought that had already happened. Did it just change recently?
18:20.50Stskeepsaug 08
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18:21.46Stskeepsit was cc 2.5 before, which debian didn't like :P
18:22.12johnxif it happened in august I think they know about it
18:22.26johnxI heard them talking about it right about then over in #debian-maemo on the debian IRC net
18:22.31Stskeepsk
18:22.40johnxgood to know though
18:22.43Stskeepstheir bzrs/repos aren't updated though :P
18:22.48Stskeepsso far from notice to action
18:23.11johnxsome people are busy with real life or other projects :P
18:23.19johnx<- some people are lazy
18:23.44jottinz: ah, yes. http://outpo.st/merkaartor_0.12~svn10948-1_armel.deb
18:24.21inzjott, is it application manager installable?
18:24.38jottinz: the default layout is a bit unsuitable. but when closing most of the dock widgets it should be more or less usable.
18:24.50jottinz: no. just plain build from upstream debian package.
18:24.55inzk
18:25.14inzthus I choose "save"
18:25.28jott(so not in user/* or anything, and you need qt4 libs installed - or at least extras-devel active and then apt-get -f install)
18:25.50inz...and ssh to the wrong device
18:26.43jotthehe
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18:29.41jotthello GNUton
18:31.09jottinz: http://outpo.st/merkaartor_0.12~svn11061_armel.deb <- that's the trunk version.
18:31.33jott(not sure what changed between 10948 and 11061 :)
18:31.42inzjott, just finished compiling that myself
18:31.59jottaye ;)
18:32.00inzOh, I actually compiled 11021, not 61
18:33.12jottinz: it's also worth to check the desktop version to get a bit of a feel for the app (as it's obviously not really made for embedded devices)
18:33.56RST38hjott: screenshots? =)
18:34.09jottRST38h: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png
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18:34.21lcuk2jott
18:34.29lcuk2you have much experience with rotation...
18:34.33jottlcuk2: hey!
18:34.39jottlcuk2: only when i'm drunk.
18:34.43lcuk2have oyu managed to view a rotated video at fullscreen
18:34.45lcuk2lol
18:35.05inzjott, how do I configure the gps?
18:35.09jottafair there where some issues :)
18:35.14jottinz: not really tried it with gps yet.
18:35.24RST38hjott: needs qt?
18:35.32jottRST38h: yes ;)
18:35.53jottlcuk2: ^^ at the issues :)
18:36.21lcuk2jott, so you have noticed them as well
18:36.38RST38hjott: naaah then
18:36.41lcuk2i ask because ive got liqbase sprawled out on the desk infront of me and im seeing what would need to be altered..
18:36.41inzHmm, tried to use /dev/pgps as device name, the whole app got stuck
18:38.10jottlcuk2: well mainly aspect ratio.
18:38.24jottlcuk2: probably fixable with some mplayer arguments.
18:38.48lcuk2jott, ive just tried using the noaspect which correctly fills the screen for movies in normal mode
18:39.00lcuk2but it wont go over an imaginary 480*480 boundary in rotated
18:39.24jottmaybe something hardcoded in mplayer? mmh
18:39.38lcuk2i think its lower down
18:39.46lcuk2im noticing same effects when im doing similar in liqbase
18:39.53lcuk2it fecks up if i try anything over the 480
18:40.25johnxlcuk2, you might want to see what xrandr -q says
18:41.15lcuk2ok thanks
18:41.46johnxthat should give you some ideas about what X thinks are the maximums
18:41.48lcuk2Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/liqbase_www_jpeg# xrandr -q
18:41.48lcuk2-sh: xrandr: not found
18:41.51lcuk2lol
18:41.55jottjohnx: it's more likely a problem with the yuv overlay..
18:42.13lcuk2yer i gathered as much, nm ill look again another day
18:42.18lcuk2was just a curiosity
18:43.41johnxjott, that does seem more likely. Still, always a good idea to check the easy stuff first. Zaurus kdrive had issues with reporting the wrong info that caused similar problems
18:44.21jottyeah but rotation is not *that* broken ;)
18:44.43johnxall it takes is a silly bug in the x server
18:45.00jottyer
18:45.17jottnot saying that there is no bug in the yuv code ;)
18:45.17lcuk2yer johnx, and since xv isnt in the default flow it is left in the dark
18:45.48jottbut as mplayer should use omapfb directly...
18:46.00johnxjott, though you're right: xomap handles rotation far better than the zaurus' x server (and the zaurus was designed to be rotated...)
18:46.21johnxah, so really low level
18:50.57jottlcuk2: what does exactly fail actually?
18:53.04lcuk2calling XvShmPutImage with values which exceed 480*480
18:53.07lcuk2when rotated
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18:53.42lcuk2normally i call it with 800,480 and 800,480.
18:54.19lcuk2when i rotate i init memory to 480*800 which correctly allocates, then whichever variation i try for the dest size if its over 480*480 it crashes
18:54.37Mouseycries
18:54.56Mouseyi expect rotation to be working by the time my NIT gets back from the repair shop
18:55.02Mouseystomps foot spoiledly
18:55.16jottMousey: rotation actually works :)
18:55.31lcuk2mousey, which bits need rotating - you are aware liqbase can correctly load and allocate a set of font glyphs rotated 90 degrees arent u
18:55.37jottit's just an issue with videos (and liqbase) that it can't use the full screen as it seems.
18:55.48lcuk2never used the code though, i was hoping to use xrandr
18:55.48Mouseyno idea
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18:56.08Mouseyi was hoping when i put the keyb away it'd rotate portrait
18:56.08lcuk2yer jott, i might end up following it down the tree and see where i get upto
18:56.19Mouseyxrandr would be nice =)
18:57.32jotti can't even start liqbase with a rotate screen :P
18:57.48jottX Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
18:57.51jott<PROTECTED>
18:57.54lcuk2no, because it tries to push values over 480*480
18:58.10lcuk2i can adjust one line of code and get liqbase rendering in 480*480
18:58.36lcuk2which is why i shouted you earlier :P
18:59.13lcuk2it *should* simply render as an out of shape block - the scaling on the lcd should say "oh look you gave me a bitmap of odd dimensions, ill just make em fullscreen
19:03.54lcuk2http://liqbase.net/liqbase_rotate_480x480.jpg
19:04.28lcuk2knows a sketch is worth a thousand words
19:06.38Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet1.png <- so going to hell..
19:08.33johnxStskeeps, if you set your locale to to british english the strings will show up right
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19:08.58Stskeepsjohnx: funny thing is, it is
19:09.07Stskeeps.UTF-8 though
19:09.12johnxhmm
19:09.17johnxI had to fiddle with it a bunch
19:10.34Stskeepsgives up for now
19:10.41Stskeepsplenty of interesting things that can be done though
19:10.54Stskeepsbut one thing, those bloody hildon packages laying about needs a severe upgrade
19:11.28lcuk2Stskeeps, :) ive just about given up on rotate for this evening as well
19:11.30johnxyeah, maybe I'll go back on everything I said and just get ubuntu working :/
19:11.35lcuk2is tonight not the night for winning
19:11.54Stskeepsjohnx: mojo ubuntu-mobile metapackage isn't working atleast
19:11.59Stskeepsaccording to build log
19:12.03Stskeepsbut the hildon packages may
19:12.06johnxsad :(
19:12.14johnxI just got ubuntu booted and happy on my zaurus
19:12.24johnxI was running apt-cache search looking for it as you said that
19:12.41Stskeepsdoes it find it? :P
19:12.49Stskeeps(check for hildon-desktop as well
19:13.07johnxno hildon desktop
19:13.10johnxno ubuntu mobile
19:13.11Stskeepssucks
19:13.25Stskeepsright, it's back to square one evening it seems
19:13.25Stskeeps:P
19:13.37johnxsighs
19:13.37Stskeepsgoes get a cig
19:13.47johnxgoes to sleep
19:17.06bef0rdlxde rotated looks nice on deblet
19:17.20Mouseywants GL-ES in his next tablet
19:17.23Mousey^_^
19:18.44GNUtonHi jott.
19:18.45Mouseyoo, lxde has a live USB image
19:18.50Mouseycan i boot from USB on my n810?
19:19.23bef0rdwith bootmenu probably
19:19.35bef0rdhttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-rotated.png
19:23.02lcuk2bef0rd, git, that looks nice
19:26.21lcuk2bef0rd, but can you rotate movies and stuff
19:27.59bef0rddon't know, that screenshot comes from Stskeeps :P I have not tried it by myself yet
19:28.16lcuk2ahhh
19:28.35lcuk2never saw the big fat stskeeps in the middle ;)
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20:51.03whodatdoes the "internet talk" selection on the n810 use skype behind the scenes? trying to get voip working
20:52.13Mouseyif you ever wanna have some fail, try skype + bt headset
20:52.25Mouseyi cried all night into my pillow over that
20:52.32RST38hl.c.u.k
20:52.41legindMousey, just tried it the other day
20:52.42legindheh
20:52.45legindyeah no fun
20:52.48RST38hlcuk: How long until liqbase .deb in the extras?
20:53.15Mousey...and what does one acctually get to accomplish with liq*?
20:53.54RST38hMousey: enlightenment
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20:54.04Mouseywoah
20:54.10RST38hsome use it to get erection though
20:54.46Mouseyoh, another libED, eh
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20:55.48lcuk2RST38h, just lookin at a few things and makin a few tweaks but on the whole its ready
20:56.12lcuk2a bit of a cleanout to do
20:56.38lcuk2then once i know its bedded in i can start to build on what ive started
20:56.52lcuk2you can grab just the .deb if you want it
20:57.14RST38hwill
20:57.48RST38hso, anybody buying a 5800? =)
20:58.06GNUtonI don't like the new 5800...
20:58.14GNUtonI RST38h!
20:58.18GNUtonHi RST38h
20:58.19Jaffajust received his "free" (upgrade) Sony Ericsson W890i today
20:58.22RST38hheya
20:58.46RST38hactually likes it but will wait and see
20:58.54lcuk2jaffa, does it "work"
20:59.05RST38hprolly getting e72
20:59.16JaffaYeah, works well. HSDPA so faster connections with tablet, too.
20:59.31lcuk2thats always a bonus
20:59.43RST38hisn't getting 3G until Christmas, most likely
20:59.43JaffaAlso, nice and small - so when an HSPA tablet becomes available it's not compromised on size
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21:04.30nelsonhmmm....  is Nokia not making the n800 anymore?
21:05.17nelsoncan't find anybody selling it anymore.
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21:06.21rdorschHello, does diablo have built-in support for ext3, i.e. when I format my sdcard with ext3 will diablo recognize the card?
21:07.24jiivrdorsch: i'm not positive; you may have to install extfs-tools or something.
21:07.55jiivi _believe_ you can mount ext3 by default (but not create filesystems), but i could be mistaken.
21:08.30GeneralAntillesYes, the ext3 modules are on the initfs.
21:08.42GeneralAntillesYou'll need to be sure they're loaded, though.
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21:09.07GNUtonnelson: I guess you can buy N800 from the italian nokia shop
21:09.52GNUtonnelson: but obviously you need to stay in italy to buy them...
21:09.54GNUton:P
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21:13.17rdorschSeems that https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_mmc_ext2 is gone.
21:13.42GeneralAntilles~boot-sd
21:13.43infobotboot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
21:13.45rdorschGoogle still has the data though: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:4XXdiBE_xakJ:https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_mmc_ext2+ext2+maemo+mmc&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=de
21:13.53GeneralAntillesThe data moved.
21:15.07GeneralAntillesJaffa, did you see Mariu's posting to -users?
21:15.48arachnistis it just me, or is maemo.org down?
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21:16.12GeneralAntillesWiki and bugzilla seemed to be working a few minutes ago.
21:20.18hrwsomeone here uses rpm based distro?
21:20.24hrw"rpm --install pacakge-1.2.3-r0.i586.rpm" says "package pacakge-1.2.3-r0.i586.rpm is intended for a linux operating system" but not install it - why?
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21:21.42crashanddie/usr/include/libpng12/pngconf.h:310:2: #error png.h already includes setjmp.h with some additional fixup.
21:21.46crashanddieAnyone know about this?
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21:30.15cobaltocrashanddie, when you have this error?
21:30.45crashanddiecobalto, when I do #include <png.h>
21:31.24crashanddiecobalto, I think I fixed it
21:31.29cobaltook
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22:14.34rm_you|jott, on that debian usb thing i was messing with, did you set up the xsession / xinit stuff?
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22:26.29crashanddieX-Fade, around?
22:26.37crashanddiewho here is good with svn? :-°
22:26.52rm_you|what you need to know?
22:27.00crashanddieI'm trying to fix the liqbase repo
22:27.05rm_you|<_<
22:27.07GeneralAntilleslardman, we need to work on our wiki page.
22:27.08rm_you|what is broken about it
22:27.17crashanddiehttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=liqbase
22:27.36lardmanGeneralAntilles: how so?
22:27.38crashanddierm_you, everything is in the root, we can't create branches
22:27.58rm_you|oh.
22:28.05GeneralAntilleslardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council
22:28.10rm_you|just make a directory called trunk
22:28.15rm_you|and svn mv everything in there
22:28.23rm_you|and commit <_<
22:28.24GeneralAntillesMission, roadmap, and figuring out the election stuff.
22:28.26rm_you|well
22:28.30crashanddierm_you, it yells
22:28.32rm_you|make trunk/ first, add it, commit
22:28.34GeneralAntillesHehe
22:28.36GeneralAntillesPoor lcuk.
22:28.37rm_you|then mv, then commit
22:28.44crashanddiehmm
22:28.44crashanddieok
22:28.46crashanddiewill try
22:28.51rm_you|yeah it would yell
22:28.58rm_you|we had the same issue with ABL
22:29.01rm_you|it was kind of bleh
22:29.31lardmanGeneralAntilles: yes, fair enough
22:29.41GeneralAntilleslardman, you guys need to blog, too. :P
22:30.16lardmanGeneralAntilles: I've been away, or at least not near a computer
22:30.19crashanddierm_you|, how do i commit to the svn repo? :-°
22:30.30crashanddiehates svn
22:30.31rm_you|svn ci -m "fixing the repo"
22:30.32crashanddie<3 git
22:30.37crashanddieci?
22:30.43rm_you|yes
22:30.46rm_you|short for checkin
22:30.47crashanddieok
22:30.51GeneralAntilleslol
22:31.02GeneralAntillesDon't hate what you don't understand. :D
22:31.08lardmanI also hate blogging
22:31.15derfGeneralAntilles: Blogging takes away from actually being productive.
22:31.37GeneralAntillesderf, blogging is part of being productive for the council. :)
22:32.43lardmanI, for one, would be happy with the chairman issuing progress blogs ;)
22:33.09rm_you|crashanddie: http://slexy.org/view/s21OwXcFWu ?
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22:33.41crashanddierm_you|, trying... I managed to commit the trunk/
22:33.54crashanddiebut with svn mv * trunk/ I get: svn: Client error in parsing arguments
22:34.05rm_you|....
22:34.19rm_you|try moving the files one at a time
22:34.23rm_you|you might need to <_<
22:34.27crashanddiecock
22:34.35rm_you|i think SVN may be kind of borken in that way
22:34.38rm_you|bleh
22:34.46crashanddiereiterates: he hates svn
22:34.54derffor i in * ; do svn mv "$i" trunk/ ; done
22:34.58rm_you|that annoyed me a bit
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22:36.58lardmanGeneralAntilles: just kidding really, not sure there's much to blog about atm though - there's the ongoing talk about maemo.org design, I throw in my 2p's worth, but it's not my field really
22:37.30GeneralAntillesHehe, well, tim or Jaffa should hit on that one. But speaking generally. ;)
22:38.14lardmanI know, but as I am usually around here, I hope people are getting their money's worth at least
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22:39.03derfJust dump lardman's IRC logs onto a web page and call it a blog.
22:39.28lardmangive that man a cigar!
22:39.31lardman:)
22:40.22GeneralAntillesExpect thumbs. :D
22:40.39GeneralAntillesAlso note, blog karma hasn't been patched yet. :P
22:42.21lardmanyeah, well I would really prefer to do or talk to people rather than write about stuff, not to bothered about the karam (though /me wonders if he still has 8 discussion karma points :) )
22:43.07lardmanyes, still up there in the top league :D
22:45.07GeneralAntilleslardman, just be glad you're not zeenix. ;)
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22:46.08lardmanwaits for maemo.org to load zeenix's page
22:46.18lardmanand continues waiting....
22:46.31lardmanand goes to get a drink lest he dies of dehydration during the wait
22:47.24GeneralAntilleslardman, more fun: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3767
22:47.55crashanddierm_you|, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=liqbase <-- does this look okay?
22:48.16lardmanowch, poor zeenix's blog karma
22:48.41lardmanre my comment about limiting the nagative karma from a given group
22:49.03GeneralAntilleslardman, it's what he gets for blogging about Finnish summer cottages. ;)
22:49.04rm_you|yep
22:49.27lardmanGeneralAntilles: yes, I quite agree with that; off topic should get thumbs down
22:49.41GeneralAntillesdneary's got a patch, anyway.
22:49.49GeneralAntillesIt just needs to be pushed with the next update.
22:50.21lardmanhowever crap blogging shouldn't take away from good bugzilla/project/(dare I say) mailing list posts (not that they apparently count much these days ;))
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22:53.50dick-richardsonyou know that little willie won't go home song?
22:55.58lardmanno
22:56.16lardmanputs on his council hat and walks amongst the electorate
22:56.21lardman:)
22:57.41lardmanwhere do I find the value of NET_NEMEIN_DISCUSSION_NEW ?
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22:58.36derfIt's 4.
22:59.09lardmanhmm, so what does a status of 4 mean?
22:59.15derfGekk if I know.
22:59.19lardmanhttp://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/calculator.php for the lurkers
22:59.23derfThat was just in the first Google result.
22:59.31lardmanah ok :)
22:59.48derfdefine('NET_NEMEIN_DISCUSSION_NEW', 4);
23:00.55lardman$this->_config->get('karma_discussion_badpost_modifier') is the other interesting value (from my point of view anyway)
23:03.59lardman'karma_discussion_badpost_modifier' => -1, from http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/config/config.inc
23:05.17lardmanah, so from http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nemein.discussion/midcom/interfaces.php we can see what the NEW business is all about
23:05.35lardmannow, where do I find out if my old posts have been rated as <4 ?
23:09.20bef0rd<3
23:09.56lardman<3?
23:10.29derfHaha.
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23:12.44crashanddiedholbert, SATAN!
23:13.35dholbert??
23:14.07dick-richardsonhe's right, dholbert
23:14.14dholbert:(
23:14.19dick-richardsonI didn't want to say anything, but we've all known
23:14.49GAN800Welcome to insanity later.
23:15.21lardmanGAN800: do we transition from the drunk Eurpoeans to the drunk Americans at some point? :)
23:15.43lardmanprobably still sober Americans at this point
23:15.50lardman:)
23:15.50GAN800Not unless you're buying.
23:15.54lardmanlol
23:15.55dholbertd'oh... /me tried to change nick to SANTA, but it's already in use
23:16.01dick-richardsonstarts...er, continues drinking heavily
23:16.12lardmanyeah, pop over, should be a few bars open at just after midnight :)
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23:16.46GAN800Sadly the stopped flying the Concorde. :(
23:17.01lardmanwould make for an expensive beer!
23:18.36derfThey've got one in a hangar over at Dulles.
23:18.43derfYou could always go steal it.
23:18.52crashanddiehow come the nightly svn tarballs don't work?
23:19.08lardmancrashanddie: not implemented
23:19.15crashanddiehmm
23:19.23derfThough it's in the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy Annex to the National Air and Space Museum, so it might not be in flyable condition.
23:19.58crashanddiewell, even "good" concordes tend to crash a bit :P
23:20.14derfJust don't drop pieces of landing gear on the runway before takeoff.
23:20.36derfThough, if you could find the fuel for it, I'd take the SR-71 that's there instead.
23:21.15derfBut they had to be refueld in the air immediately after takeoff, so probably not practical.
23:21.50lardmandepends on the take off run I thought, should still be doable
23:21.58GAN800Hehe
23:22.16lardmanjust remember keas around 350knots all the way
23:22.47derfWell, they a) leak fuel like a sieve when not flying at supersonic speeds and b) they had stability problems when taking off with a full tank.
23:23.08lardmanah, might be troublesome then :)
23:24.24lardmanright, on the assumption that the General won't be turning up in a couple of hours, I'm going to hit the sack
23:24.30lardmannight all
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