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| 00:46.43 | lcuk2 | if i have an app installed and i reclick on the deb, what happens - does it upgrade it if the deb was rebuilt |
| 00:47.36 | GeneralAntilles | Make sure you're incrementing your version numbers. |
| 00:48.02 | lcuk2 | gulp, internal app versions or from withi nthe debian folder |
| 00:48.17 | lcuk2 | normally sets such things to autoincrement in windows world |
| 00:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | package version. |
| 00:49.27 | lcuk2 | so i cant stay on 0.0.1 for a while |
| 00:49.39 | lcuk2 | 0.0.1.astronomicalbuildnumber ;) |
| 00:50.02 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
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| 00:51.03 | lcuk2 | it will do as it stands for now, once its out there people can show me proper way :) |
| 00:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | Don't be evil about packaging |
| 00:51.49 | lcuk2 | im not |
| 00:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | Just a general recommendation. :P |
| 00:52.53 | GeneralAntilles | Always better to do it the right way asap |
| 00:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | then you don't get into the habit of doing it the wrong way and have to break it later. |
| 00:53.18 | timeless | ping |
| 00:53.39 | GeneralAntilles | pong |
| 00:53.50 | timeless | when you create a backup w@ backup, does it change "no backups created"? |
| 00:54.52 | timeless | is evil |
| 00:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | In the list of backups? |
| 00:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | Um |
| 00:55.34 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno, I've got a bunch of backups sitting around all over the place. |
| 00:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | I just created a new backup and it added it to my existing list. |
| 00:56.48 | timeless | can you guess what happened when i tried, and why? :) |
| 00:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | It failed horribly? |
| 00:57.31 | timeless | nah, just amusingly |
| 00:57.45 | timeless | more like error: success |
| 00:58.04 | timeless | it created a backup, which i presume is valid |
| 00:58.33 | timeless | but as there's no space on /... It couldn't record the backup creation |
| 00:58.44 | timeless | short term memory loss |
| 00:58.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:59.38 | GeneralAntilles | I really hope they do away with the stupid NAND setup for the N900. |
| 00:59.39 | timeless | i'm open to suggestions about other apps likely to fail :) |
| 01:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | Since low memory seems to be responsible for a very large number of problems on the platform. |
| 01:00.50 | timeless | oh sure, make it harder for me to find bugs. Where's the fun in that? |
| 01:01.29 | timeless | btw, lest you think symbian is better. It killed my gmail app and my web browser, forcing me to try my n800 |
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| 01:01.47 | timeless | killed because it really ran out of memopry |
| 01:01.55 | timeless | s/pry/ry/ |
| 01:03.21 | GeneralAntilles | Micron's got a 256MB RAM PoP with no NAND that they should use. |
| 01:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | Just drop the OS on a bigger version of the N810's internal storage. |
| 01:04.26 | mikkov_ | lcuk2: you can keep the version number when testing by yourself. Increment version when you release the package somehow |
| 01:05.38 | lcuk2 | mikkov_, is there some nice automatic way to ensure this occurs? |
| 01:06.00 | lcuk2 | i dont mind inc on every package build |
| 01:06.26 | mikkov_ | ihavenoidea |
| 01:06.45 | mikkov_ | or are you releasing every build? |
| 01:07.06 | lcuk2 | no, but i dont want a different procedure for insternal and external, theres no point |
| 01:07.35 | lcuk2 | if i build a package and its fine and stable i dont wanna have to rebuild it |
| 01:07.35 | lcuk2 | for the sake of a number |
| 01:08.07 | lcuk2 | (binary contains fixed in palce binary build date stamp anyway and reports this date as part of its logging procedures |
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| 01:09.31 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Extras-devel kinda solves the issue for you. |
| 01:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | Since it forces you to increment the version. |
| 01:10.42 | lcuk2 | cool :) |
| 01:10.50 | lcuk2 | since ive never had one in there it wont get me yet ;) |
| 01:11.01 | mikkov_ | but it doesn't increment version number automatically |
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| 01:13.54 | dystopia | N810 has microUSB A, correct? |
| 01:15.14 | dystopia | err wait i mean B actually |
| 01:15.16 | dystopia | pff :-) |
| 01:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | Micro AB |
| 01:17.28 | moontiger | GeneralAntilles, do u know anyone who could use those adapters for the n800? i have 3 |
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| 01:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, did you get that Motorola Micro to Mini adaptor? |
| 01:18.24 | GeneralAntilles | That'll let you use the N800 adaptors with the N810. |
| 01:18.25 | ShadowJK | As a heavy user of both N810 and a Symbian based nokia, I have to say the N810 wins... |
| 01:18.29 | moontiger | naaaaaaa i'll wait til they make the usb -> micro |
| 01:18.48 | timeless | i needed one here in bordeaux on friday, i ended up buying a memory card reader that came w/ the cable |
| 01:18.48 | moontiger | just wondered if you knew anyone could use these that i have |
| 01:18.51 | GeneralAntilles | Symbian's for cellphones. |
| 01:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | so it fails automatically. |
| 01:19.01 | smackpotato | does bash2 come with maemo or was it something i added |
| 01:19.07 | GeneralAntilles | moontiger, not off-hand, no. |
| 01:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | smackpotato, something you added. |
| 01:19.14 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, cellphones and PDA :-) |
| 01:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras. |
| 01:19.24 | ShadowJK | there are non-phone things with symbian, iirc.. |
| 01:19.40 | timeless | shadowjk: sorry to hear that |
| 01:19.48 | ShadowJK | indeed |
| 01:19.58 | smackpotato | so im the only one that has bashrc what it the maemo eqivelent |
| 01:20.10 | ShadowJK | just upgraded to diablo :s |
| 01:20.27 | dystopia | there is microA -> USB and microB -> USB |
| 01:21.03 | GeneralAntilles | MicroA is for host mode. |
| 01:21.44 | moontiger | well i have 3 if anyone wants them for the price of mailing :) |
| 01:23.51 | dystopia | so if i want to have my N810 to connect to USB keyboard, i'd need a microA -> USB female right? |
| 01:24.10 | GeneralAntilles | dystopia, then you'd need to switch it software side. |
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| 01:24.52 | dystopia | but else to connect it to hub it'd be microB -> USB male |
| 01:24.53 | moontiger | dystopia, i tried that and it just was a huge pain ... better get a bluetooth keyboard |
| 01:25.13 | GeneralAntilles | dystopia, um, no. |
| 01:25.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_67&products_id=2043 |
| 01:26.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_67&products_id=2004 |
| 01:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | That'll get you USB host in hardware on the N810. |
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| 01:31.58 | timeless | gan: so any other apps you can think of that are likely to fail? |
| 01:34.49 | dystopia | GeneralAntilles: ok, thank you!! |
| 01:35.16 | GeneralAntilles | dystopia, be aware that a lot of keyboard actually require more than 100mA. |
| 01:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | So you may need to use a USB hub. |
| 01:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, not really. |
| 01:37.19 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, though SSU is one of them in a couple of specific situations. |
| 01:40.45 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, what is "diablo pre"? |
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| 03:18.32 | lopz | night |
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| 03:45.39 | moontiger | Stskeeps, you around? |
| 03:45.50 | moontiger | nn lophyte |
| 03:45.53 | moontiger | lopz |
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| 03:55.29 | EruditeHermit | hi, the SSU update bricked my device. Is there anything I can do to repair it without a reflash? I don't have access to the USB cable for it right now. |
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| 03:57.28 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have bootmenu installed? |
| 04:02.44 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: nope |
| 04:03.08 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: I do have SD cards and an SD card reader available |
| 04:03.29 | EruditeHermit | I will have access to the USB cable in a week, but not till my trip is over |
| 04:03.40 | EruditeHermit | and I would like to get it working before then if possible |
| 04:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if you can get an initfs image with usbnet and ssh/telnet you can get in and fix it. |
| 04:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | But you'll need a USB cable. |
| 04:04.14 | EruditeHermit | darn |
| 04:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, any reasonable solution requires a USB cable. |
| 04:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | Out of interest, did you do anything to ~/MyDocs/.documents? |
| 04:05.01 | EruditeHermit | I may have had fanoush initfs stuff in there |
| 04:05.27 | EruditeHermit | just the zipped files in there |
| 04:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | How about the user manual pdfs in there? |
| 04:06.00 | EruditeHermit | I didn't touch them |
| 04:07.01 | EruditeHermit | has the failed upgrade happened to anyone else? |
| 04:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the likely story is that one of the postinstalls failed, which left something unconfigured |
| 04:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | and one of the important system services isn't starting |
| 04:07.22 | GeneralAntilles | so the watchdog is killing it during boot. |
| 04:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | People who symlinked ~/MyDocs/.documents had some troubles. |
| 04:08.37 | EruditeHermit | well, I hadn't messed with anything on this install |
| 04:09.00 | EruditeHermit | I did install a bunch of 3rd party apps, but nothing that isn't in extras and at worst extras-devel |
| 04:09.30 | EruditeHermit | and maybe fennec though I might not have, I can't remember |
| 04:09.45 | EruditeHermit | it sucks that the upgrade would fail like this |
| 04:09.56 | GeneralAntilles | Fenec might've done it. |
| 04:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | if xulrunner was screwed up |
| 04:10.04 | GeneralAntilles | though it shouldn't have. |
| 04:10.16 | EruditeHermit | but fennec is self contained |
| 04:10.19 | EruditeHermit | I think |
| 04:10.19 | GeneralAntilles | Or just the fact that it's huge. |
| 04:10.28 | EruditeHermit | I was low on space |
| 04:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | Low free space can cause it to fail. |
| 04:10.32 | EruditeHermit | maybe |
| 04:10.42 | EruditeHermit | probably that is what did it |
| 04:10.47 | GeneralAntilles | If the estimated install size requirement is wrong |
| 04:10.50 | EruditeHermit | because it was a pretty standard install |
| 04:10.56 | GeneralAntilles | which it can be depending on what you messed with. |
| 04:11.21 | EruditeHermit | I'm surprised only because it was a pretty standard install |
| 04:11.42 | EruditeHermit | the only thing I can really think of is that it might have run out of disk space |
| 04:11.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's the stupid 14MB of PDFs that gets refreshed with every upgrade. |
| 04:12.01 | EruditeHermit | there is a 10mb video |
| 04:12.05 | EruditeHermit | too |
| 04:12.47 | EruditeHermit | oh, I had canola installed too |
| 04:12.53 | EruditeHermit | it might have its own repository |
| 04:12.55 | ShadowJK | how much would you want free before update? |
| 04:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | Ideally the package should know whether or not there's enough space. |
| 04:15.25 | GeneralAntilles | But some really easy to delete user files can throw a wrench into that estimate |
| 04:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | which means it'll run out of space during the install. |
| 04:22.14 | EruditeHermit | blah |
| 04:22.18 | EruditeHermit | I'll have to wait to fix it |
| 04:22.21 | EruditeHermit | until then its a brick |
| 04:22.29 | EruditeHermit | I hope it is repairable |
| 04:22.37 | EruditeHermit | its just in a reboot cycle |
| 04:22.51 | EruditeHermit | I have to pull the battery to even turn it off |
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| 04:56.49 | lcuk2 | final one of the night http://liqbase.net/up/liqbase_0.0.3_armel.deb |
| 04:56.58 | lcuk2 | damn! :) ahhh well |
| 04:57.16 | lcuk2 | this isnt so stable, but it works, any feedback would be appreciated |
| 04:57.24 | lcuk2 | im goin to bed |
| 04:58.06 | ShadowJK | holy crap, gps acquired lock in just a few seconds |
| 04:58.08 | ShadowJK | hugs a-gps |
| 05:00.59 | bef0rd | installs liqbase |
| 05:02.47 | lcuk2 | :O |
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| 05:11.16 | bef0rd | nice text scrolling |
| 05:11.40 | bef0rd | I had seen some videos of liqbase but never installed it heh |
| 05:12.01 | lcuk2 | thats because the .deb was only created over the last couple of days ;) |
| 05:12.34 | lcuk2 | anyway, as longas your computer hasnt blown up i think im safe to go to bed |
| 05:12.41 | lcuk2 | gnite and have fun |
| 05:13.45 | bef0rd | nite lcuk2 |
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| 06:06.20 | thux | hi, if tablet is on and running how can i tell if rd mode enabled? |
| 06:07.12 | qwerty12 | become root |
| 06:07.14 | qwerty12 | /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --get-rd-mode |
| 06:07.54 | thux | thanks |
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| 07:06.30 | ds3 | ~. |
| 07:06.30 | infobot | . |
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| 07:16.51 | LiraNuna | congrads on deblet beta4 \o/ |
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| 07:37.43 | ldrn | I don't think anyone is up or can help me, but... I've been spending all day trying to get my tablet to work. The seamless update makes it not boot, but not right away. I've been trying to identify what I am installing that does this without success. If I manage to install fanoush's initfs first, I can boot to an old backup copy of SD, but still not the main partition. As far as I can tell, it just... randomly decides to brick itse |
| 07:37.43 | ldrn | lf. |
| 07:38.39 | ldrn | No, wrong word. I can still reflash. Just not work. Is there any way to tell what the tablet is hanging on when it boots? Some sort of log files? I didn't find them in /var/log. |
| 07:39.38 | qwerty12 | You can get ksyslogd to get a syslog in /var/log. But you'll have to chroot or something to install it in your flash |
| 07:40.29 | ldrn | Thanks! I can do that, I think. I can mount the flash while in the older copy. |
| 07:42.00 | qwerty12 | Here are debs for syslog: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/s/sysklogd/klogd_1.4.1-18osso2_armel.deb & http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/s/sysklogd/sysklogd_1.4.1-18osso2_armel.deb . They have a circular dependency so install them at the same time |
| 07:43.21 | ldrn | Thank you very much... now I feel really foolish for not asking for help earlier. |
| 07:43.31 | qwerty12 | I think it's something like mounting /dev/mtdblock4 somewhere, putting those two debs in the flash, then binding /tmp, /dev, /proc and just using dpkg -i and rebooting |
| 07:44.07 | qwerty12 | Also, fanoush's stuff here is very helpful: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137088&postcount=2 |
| 07:44.31 | qwerty12 | If you add that then while starting up, you can see which init script it is executing before it reboots |
| 07:44.38 | ldrn | ... nice! :D |
| 07:44.43 | ldrn | That's perfect |
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| 08:27.02 | zap | Interesting, SDK will work faster on a BeagleBoard than on x86? |
| 08:27.16 | qwerty12 | No emulation I guess |
| 08:27.30 | zap | yep, but 1.2Ghz instead |
| 08:27.42 | zap | so the question is still open :) |
| 08:28.07 | zap | on the other hand, you can get full emulation (no need for x86 target to debug) |
| 08:28.39 | qwerty12 | True, but when it comes to arm compiling, I'm more biased towards no emulation rather than speed because ultimatly, emulation is slow anyway :) |
| 08:31.23 | zap | thats because you haven't compile XXL projects :) |
| 08:31.25 | zap | *d |
| 08:32.01 | qwerty12 | You sure about that :P |
| 08:32.13 | qwerty12 | was trying webkit but gave up when linking failed |
| 08:32.35 | qwerty12 | also can't be arsed to try and fix the problem after waiting years for it to get to that stage |
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| 08:37.30 | zap | you compiled it on NIT? :) |
| 08:38.03 | qwerty12 | Ah, my bad, I thought you meant compiling with emulation. no I did it on computer :) |
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| 10:40.23 | GeneralAntilles | zap, an emulated ARM is gonna be faster than the Beagle's 600MHz |
| 10:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | but it wont draw way less than 2W. :P |
| 10:43.51 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Where is the best place to discuss the community version of maemo? |
| 10:44.07 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, there's a thread on -developers |
| 10:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | but here is good too. :P |
| 10:44.31 | qwerty12 | Ok :P :) |
| 10:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, but, yes, we so totally want your help. :D |
| 10:45.09 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 10:45.32 | qwerty12 | "the recovery mode should offer the option to make backup images" - Regarding that, that's only possible if the user keeps the tablet in rd-mode :( |
| 10:45.55 | Stskeeps | how come? |
| 10:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 10:46.25 | qwerty12 | dsme reboots the tablet if it's in production mode after 4 mins, and trust me, backing up mtdblock4 takes more than 4 mins |
| 10:46.37 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: trick it with --root-mounted.. |
| 10:47.04 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hmm, haven't come across that one before, sounds interesting |
| 10:48.03 | qwerty12 | If that can be solved (and it seems like it can be), http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/mtd-utils-1.0.0-initfs.tar.bz2 - I've got a set of mtd-utils in there that will run in initfs to backup /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 10:49.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what was the issue about backup over gadget LUN btw? should be possible on both win and linux to image in the stuff :P |
| 10:50.20 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I couldn't get Linux on my desktop to mount the exported mtdblock4/mtd4 and I had a lot of modules loaded on the desktop to emulate block devices etc |
| 10:50.31 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no chance, win will never support jffs2 :P |
| 10:50.40 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: didn't say read, just copy |
| 10:50.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:50.51 | Stskeeps | windows can access the raw LUNs, ofcourse |
| 10:51.23 | qwerty12 | Probably, but I only backup using mkfs.jffs2 which requires the filesystem to be mounted. Maybe a raw nanddump will work |
| 10:51.29 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 10:52.51 | qwerty12 | Regarding, "# Disable the legal warning.", I could patch application manager but I'd be removing the message outright. Maybe a proper programmer could add it as a option to the settings? |
| 10:53.05 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, that sounds like a plan. |
| 10:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 10:53.23 | GeneralAntilles | I should open a Garage project |
| 10:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if "Maemo Community Edition" is acceptable. |
| 10:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | "MCE" :P |
| 10:53.42 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 10:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | Damn Sexy Maemo Edition |
| 10:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | or maybe just "Community Edition" would work. |
| 10:54.58 | GeneralAntilles | I guess I'll have to ask the list. |
| 10:55.29 | qwerty12 | I guess if the option to remove the legal message was added as an option, the settings dialog would need to be brought back in blue pill mode. In chinook, the settings dialog would display 1 option (can't remember what though) but in diablo, they removed it entirely. |
| 10:55.50 | qwerty12 | s/entirely/ in blue pill mode/ |
| 10:56.02 | qwerty12 | infobot, nice job. |
| 10:56.02 | infobot | ACTION lowers job.'s priority |
| 10:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | Refresh time period. |
| 10:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, start gathering your patches, anyway. |
| 10:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | We can probably just drop the Red Pill check off the settings dialog. |
| 10:57.42 | qwerty12 | Will do |
| 10:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | But some of the individual options will need to be moved. |
| 10:59.54 | Stskeeps | someone needs to give that boy a shell account with irssi on it so he stays online :P |
| 11:00.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:03.11 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: did you notice we've managed to lock up CAL btw? |
| 11:03.21 | Stskeeps | or atleast get a huge leap towards it |
| 11:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | Oh really? |
| 11:03.32 | Stskeeps | DSME in initfs has debug symbols |
| 11:03.44 | Stskeeps | that means definitions of types, structs, functions, etc |
| 11:03.45 | jott | hey folks. |
| 11:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, jott. |
| 11:04.31 | jott | hey Stskeeps anything done with your finding? :) |
| 11:04.45 | Stskeeps | jott: tried to prod austin che with it but no luck.. didn't experiment further myself yet |
| 11:04.58 | Stskeeps | having proper battery info will be a good thing at some point though |
| 11:05.05 | jott | indeed. |
| 11:05.48 | jott | actually would like to have this in /sys not just in hal :/ |
| 11:06.34 | Stskeeps | btw advanced backlight is brilliant :P i love being able to read on my tablet in bed without dying of too many photons |
| 11:07.21 | Stskeeps | (at night) |
| 11:08.19 | jott | hehe the could actually make nice slogan like "advanced backlight - prevents excessive photon attacks" :> |
| 11:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:09.02 | Stskeeps | advanced backlight should definately be in a community edition :P |
| 11:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | I'm so glad rm_you did that. |
| 11:09.31 | GeneralAntilles | That idea has been bouncing around my head since the early 770 days. |
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| 11:09.51 | GeneralAntilles | Now he needs to come back so I can coerce him into implementing more of my stuff. :P |
| 11:10.39 | jott | hehe.. and in the end i have to make it proper then :P |
| 11:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 11:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray for Team Advanced Backlight. :D |
| 11:11.26 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i know the CE discussion is on -developers, but considered asking on iTT what people would want (of existing software) and patches to be in a community edition? even though there's risk of it becoming a hellhole |
| 11:11.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:11.37 | jott | we should prepare a new version to increase the download count :) |
| 11:11.43 | zap | What daemon mounts/unmounts mmc cards? dsme? |
| 11:11.48 | GeneralAntilles | jott, just bump the version number. |
| 11:11.53 | jott | heh |
| 11:11.55 | Stskeeps | zap: ke-recv i believe |
| 11:12.03 | Stskeeps | (hulda?) |
| 11:12.05 | zap | Stskeeps: thanks, will look |
| 11:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | and take generally of some unreproducible bugs being fixed. |
| 11:12.14 | Stskeeps | it's OSS, too :P |
| 11:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | jott, if you want to get started on the control panel, applet. . . . |
| 11:12.42 | GeneralAntilles | Or just provide the appropriate .desktop, really. |
| 11:12.43 | jott | not atm. to much other stuff to do.. |
| 11:13.09 | GeneralAntilles | Time |
| 11:13.14 | GeneralAntilles | If only everybody had more of it. |
| 11:13.25 | Stskeeps | time, the number one reason for cloning and brain transfer technology |
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| 11:14.07 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to use my army of clones to coerce your army of clones to code my ideas. :P |
| 11:14.16 | jott | time, the number one reason why we need code monkeys which we can exploit. |
| 11:15.40 | zap | oh cool, Control Panel -> about displays "Version: <unknown>" :-) |
| 11:15.48 | zap | why this could be... |
| 11:16.08 | Stskeeps | zap: initfs flashing tends to do that according to qwerty12 or something |
| 11:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | zap, check the o-s-v postinst for the fix. |
| 11:17.22 | zap | osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION=RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_MR0 |
| 11:17.24 | zap | this one? |
| 11:17.45 | zap | did not help :) |
| 11:18.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 11:18.51 | GeneralAntilles | There's another one, too. |
| 11:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | I don't remember it, though. |
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| 11:35.45 | Stskeeps | does any of you have power consumption problems with Diablo? my battery drain is way too much than in chinook, and yes, i've disabled metacrawler :P |
| 11:36.04 | Stskeeps | no wifi connected, yet it drains totally overnight |
| 11:36.17 | yacoob | no wifi connected, or wifi disabled? |
| 11:36.35 | Stskeeps | no wifi connected and no searching (disabled) |
| 11:36.39 | yacoob | if it's the former, it might be desperately trying to get to one, and drain battery in process |
| 11:36.42 | yacoob | aha |
| 11:38.15 | ShadowJK | seems to eat about the same as in chinook for me.. |
| 11:41.00 | yacoob | it's clobbering time. Where's the frigging localepurge... |
| 11:46.41 | yacoob | ...there's no localepurge. That would explain few things. |
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| 12:18.15 | lishevita | hi all... |
| 12:19.14 | lishevita | I followed all the instructions at http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1.1/INSTALL.txt but when I try to run af-sb-init.sh start it says that it's not found |
| 12:19.22 | lishevita | anyone know what's gone wrong? |
| 12:22.49 | lishevita | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > export DISPLAY=:2 |
| 12:22.49 | lishevita | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start |
| 12:22.49 | lishevita | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found |
| 12:23.18 | lishevita | any ideas? Anyone? I've gone searching the maemo forums and haven't found this problem there yet |
| 12:39.10 | RST38h | command not found |
| 12:39.23 | RST38h | is it somehow unclear? |
| 12:40.06 | RST38h | you probably forgot installing something |
| 12:41.17 | lishevita | i just told you, I installed everything exactly like it says in the instructions. Using the scripts, not the manual installs |
| 12:41.41 | lishevita | So, maybe there's something wrong with one of the scripts? 4.1.1 is new-ish, isn't it? |
| 12:41.55 | RST38h | have you installed diablo bootstrap? |
| 12:42.21 | lishevita | yes |
| 12:42.49 | RST38h | have you installed binary only packages? |
| 12:42.56 | lishevita | the maemo-sdk-install_4.1.1 sh script does that |
| 12:43.19 | RST38h | have you selected a target? |
| 12:43.22 | lishevita | I selected Runtime Environment + All Dev Packages |
| 12:43.41 | RST38h | that is not the target |
| 12:43.43 | lishevita | Target = DIABLo_ARMEL |
| 12:43.47 | RST38h | ok |
| 12:43.56 | lishevita | you should see that in the pasted error, right? |
| 12:44.06 | RST38h | have you typed rehash just in case? |
| 12:44.30 | RST38h | I am here from a smartphone |
| 12:44.37 | RST38h | dont see much sorry |
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| 12:46.10 | RST38h | ok, use dpkg to see where maemo sdk deb places that script then verify that the script is there |
| 12:46.27 | lishevita | trying to re-install the maemo-sdk-install script now |
| 12:46.38 | RST38h | also try running the script from outside sb |
| 12:46.40 | lishevita | oh, I should have thought of that. |
| 12:46.57 | lishevita | Yeah, i tried running the script from outside sb before pestering the channel. ;) |
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| 13:02.12 | Stskeeps | begins to compile all of ubuntu mobile hildon stuff for deblet/armel |
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| 13:17.29 | CptLaptop | weeeee |
| 13:17.33 | CptLaptop | ordered aspire one |
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| 13:27.58 | Anunakin | Nice day! |
| 13:28.16 | Anunakin | any here has tried Maemo on ATOM machines? |
| 13:29.40 | Stskeeps | think you might want to look at ubuntu mobile instead |
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| 13:36.06 | lishevita | Sooo... I think I know what the problem was. (I should have read the install errors earlier. Blah!) |
| 13:36.08 | lishevita | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/s/samba/libsmbclient-dev_3.0.23c-1osso11_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 212.143.162.151 80] |
| 13:36.08 | lishevita | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 13:40.21 | lishevita | *head desk* I am so not having a good day. |
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| 14:03.10 | JasonWoof | what happened to maemo-mapper? |
| 14:03.32 | Stskeeps | uhm, what? :P |
| 14:03.38 | GAN800 | Nothing, it just hasn't been uploaded to Diablo Extras yet. |
| 14:04.03 | ShadowJK | seems to work if you install it straight |
| 14:04.22 | JasonWoof | but but... that was the most useful program I had |
| 14:04.38 | aquatix | it's still there |
| 14:04.46 | zap | the most useful program is Aisleriot |
| 14:04.52 | Stskeeps | xournal is quite useful too |
| 14:05.07 | zap | btw latest xournal is very buggy, unusable I'd say |
| 14:05.14 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:05.17 | Stskeeps | i use chinook version |
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| 14:05.20 | ShadowJK | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3549/maemo-mapper_2.4.1-os2008_armel.deb |
| 14:05.32 | JasonWoof | yay :) |
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| 14:05.44 | thopiekar | hi @ all |
| 14:05.58 | ShadowJK | You know, it's pretty damn confusing and hard for a new user to get a grip of all these repos and stuff :-) |
| 14:06.16 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: yeah, which is why people are trying to push extras |
| 14:06.21 | Stskeeps | but new things take time |
| 14:06.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:06.35 | GAN800 | ShadowJK, go convince everybody to put their stuff into Extras. Problem solved. |
| 14:06.38 | thopiekar | could someone please tell me howto connect my n95's pys60 bluetooth with my n800? |
| 14:06.48 | thopiekar | http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_Bluetooth_console |
| 14:06.52 | aquatix | meh, wget borks on garage's https |
| 14:07.07 | GAN800 | --no-check-certificate |
| 14:07.24 | ShadowJK | like, it only ocurred to my yesterday to try tap in repository.maemo.org into a browser, and I was surprised to see that I shouldn't have been using the repo that gives me gcc :) |
| 14:07.25 | aquatix | ah yeah, thanks |
| 14:07.26 | thopiekar | the howto works fine but theres no "cu" shell termal |
| 14:07.30 | aquatix | lol: Cannot write to `maemo-mapper_2.4.1-os2008_armel.deb' (Success). |
| 14:07.36 | aquatix | `success'? :P |
| 14:07.59 | aquatix | seems i already filled up my microsd again |
| 14:08.00 | Stskeeps | 1. Install. 2. ??? 3. Success. |
| 14:08.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:08.04 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:08.29 | ShadowJK | (do you think gcc will be pushed to Extras :) |
| 14:08.30 | Stskeeps | ponders idly how a sane debian environment with hildon would be like. |
| 14:08.33 | mavhc | is there an easy way to install things to mmc1? |
| 14:08.42 | Stskeeps | mavhc: look into clone-to-SD |
| 14:08.56 | GAN800 | ShadowJK, SDK repo will drop you into a reboot loop with an apt-get upgrade. |
| 14:09.14 | GAN800 | ~clone-sd |
| 14:09.38 | ShadowJK | GAN800, I think you need dist-upgrade for that, and to type in "Yes, do as I say!" first? |
| 14:09.48 | GAN800 | Somebody could probably uploade build-essentials to Extras. |
| 14:10.05 | GAN800 | ShadowJK, no, apt-get upgrade. |
| 14:10.20 | GAN800 | Boom. Hello coreutils. |
| 14:10.25 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 14:10.34 | ShadowJK | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 14:10.34 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.34 | ShadowJK | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 14:10.34 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.56 | GAN800 | Somebody might try talking Nokia into moving the build stuff into Tools. |
| 14:11.10 | ShadowJK | bzip2 and netcat doesn't look too dangerous? |
| 14:11.49 | mavhc | Stskeeps: ok, I'll ignore it for now |
| 14:12.20 | ShadowJK | with dist-upgrade it wants to remove a whole bunch of osso-* things, wants to install coreutils... |
| 14:12.43 | Stskeeps | busybox should really Provides: coreutils |
| 14:12.45 | Stskeeps | end of problems |
| 14:12.58 | Stskeeps | .. admittedly also a can of worms |
| 14:12.59 | Stskeeps | but still |
| 14:13.03 | ShadowJK | well |
| 14:13.40 | lopz | hola |
| 14:13.58 | ShadowJK | it'd be great to have them packaged for maemo, say with a prefix. core-ls core-tail or something |
| 14:14.30 | ShadowJK | some things would probably not work or make sense, like coreutils us |
| 14:14.31 | ShadowJK | su* |
| 14:14.31 | JasonWoof | shadowjk: thanks again |
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| 14:15.08 | slonopotamus | busybox sucks |
| 14:15.12 | ShadowJK | and procps, I miss the procps utilities :) |
| 14:15.33 | Stskeeps | pokes ShadowJK with the deblet stick and memories of unreal3.1 |
| 14:15.44 | GAN800 | busybox is a lot lighter weight, though. |
| 14:15.57 | slonopotamus | if you need normal utils, simply compile them by hand into /usr/local |
| 14:15.59 | Stskeeps | what's really mostly used though? the sh part or? |
| 14:16.02 | *** part/#maemo thopiekar (n=thopieka@p57A15A63.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:16.05 | GAN800 | bash would add significantly to boot times. |
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| 14:16.11 | Stskeeps | there's always dash |
| 14:16.31 | slonopotamus | busybox's sh is ok |
| 14:16.40 | ShadowJK | yah, I have no issues with bb sh |
| 14:16.50 | slonopotamus | find/ps/xargs is not ok |
| 14:17.02 | ShadowJK | is miss tail -F |
| 14:17.23 | slonopotamus | anyway |
| 14:17.56 | slonopotamus | i built coreutils/findutils to /usr/local and absolutely happy now |
| 14:18.01 | ShadowJK | and top, ps.. |
| 14:18.01 | ShadowJK | vmstat |
| 14:18.04 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 14:18.08 | slonopotamus | and grep |
| 14:18.34 | slonopotamus | it 'doesn't handle long lines and -e switch' |
| 14:18.39 | Stskeeps | tar .. |
| 14:18.51 | ShadowJK | gnutar is in extras? |
| 14:18.55 | Stskeeps | yes, it is |
| 14:19.35 | slonopotamus | nokia should provide a way to switch between busybox/*utils |
| 14:20.05 | GAN800 | They likely will with Fremantle. |
| 14:20.41 | slonopotamus | butt fremantle won't be on n8x0? |
| 14:20.48 | slonopotamus | *but |
| 14:20.54 | GAN800 | if somebody wanted to fix the initscripts, or play with the packaging, it'd be a reasonable thing to include for the community edition. |
| 14:21.06 | GAN800 | slonopotamus, uknown. |
| 14:21.14 | GAN800 | s/uknown/unknown/ |
| 14:21.20 | Stskeeps | ponders on 21_multiple_resolution_support.patch in ubuntu hildon-desktop |
| 14:21.32 | slonopotamus | if you're unsure, prepare for worst |
| 14:21.45 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: hence deblet, maemo community edition, etc efforts |
| 14:21.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:21.46 | GAN800 | Nokia isn't even sure. |
| 14:21.56 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, are you implying you'll resume your old codename scheme for deblet releases? |
| 14:22.09 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i don't get to switch between girls these days |
| 14:22.23 | GAN800 | But it's not a 'because we don't want to' but a 'because the hardware simply may not be up to it'. |
| 14:25.52 | Stskeeps | anyone have experience with making a Debian ARMEL setup in scratchbox? |
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| 14:34.23 | Macer | hm |
| 14:34.31 | Macer | why does imdb have sanctuary listed as being on season 2? |
| 14:34.31 | Stskeeps | lo macer |
| 14:34.37 | Macer | hi Stskeeps |
| 14:34.55 | Macer | i'm trying to find this missing season of sanctuary that eludes me |
| 14:35.01 | Macer | maybe they called it something else |
| 14:35.45 | Stskeeps | perhaps planned |
| 14:36.11 | Macer | ? |
| 14:36.25 | Macer | imdb has them listed as being aired in 2007 |
| 14:36.32 | mavhc | web show |
| 14:36.33 | Stskeeps | webepisodes? i dunno :P |
| 14:36.35 | Macer | so i'm guessing that maybe it was euro or something |
| 14:36.51 | mavhc | the tv series is a remake of the web series |
| 14:37.15 | Macer | ah.. i see |
| 14:37.44 | Macer | is it a total remake? like there would be no reason to get season 1? :) |
| 14:38.28 | mavhc | correct |
| 14:38.47 | baaba | you get street cred if you watch the originals first |
| 14:39.02 | mavhc | tv series is better |
| 14:39.04 | baaba | i bought them back when they first became available |
| 14:45.43 | Macer | street cred |
| 14:45.43 | Macer | haha |
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| 14:49.48 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, :) did you see the package |
| 14:50.27 | GAN800 | lcuks-bundle-o-porn_all.deb |
| 14:50.36 | lcuk2 | :D |
| 14:51.14 | lcuk2 | ERROR, package not installed, incorrect application category "midgets on horseback" |
| 14:51.31 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: yeah |
| 14:51.47 | lcuk2 | good, at least im not making machines go BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 14:52.44 | gpd | Is it possible to setup the N800 as a control device for UPnP to control a server and play the audio on the server rather than the N800? |
| 14:52.45 | Macer | hm... there were 8 episodes of the web version? |
| 14:53.14 | gpd | Should I just abandon UPnP and use MPD? |
| 14:53.16 | lcuk2 | GAN800, :) using changleog properly now, ill just add to it as well as internal changelog |
| 14:53.20 | GeneralAntilles | gpd, mpd/mmpc |
| 14:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, one request. Please change that horrifying background. |
| 14:53.55 | lcuk2 | which one? the CC attributed wonder menu |
| 14:53.59 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: thanks -- how about BRisa for maemo - tried that? |
| 14:54.23 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, he sells curtains for a living, I think he knows what to choose as background |
| 14:54.31 | GAN800 | The marble looking thing that looks like it belonds on Win95 software. |
| 14:54.33 | lcuk2 | should i bring up an image select and let you try yourself gen? ;) |
| 14:54.44 | GAN800 | or that |
| 14:55.05 | GAN800 | but having the default one suck doesn't make for a good first impression. |
| 14:55.09 | lcuk2 | i just found something that wasnt too bright |
| 14:55.36 | GAN800 | You could just go with black |
| 14:55.40 | crashanddie | black usually isn't all that bright |
| 14:55.43 | GAN800 | Fits the style ofzt |
| 14:55.43 | crashanddie | xD |
| 14:55.47 | crashanddie | GAN800, I hate you |
| 14:55.49 | GAN800 | of the app |
| 14:56.05 | GAN800 | Rather than being out of place and arbitrary. |
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| 14:56.24 | rm_you | GAN800: eventually :P |
| 14:56.25 | lcuk2 | it does the job of breaking up the sameness of everything |
| 14:56.27 | rm_you | bbl again |
| 14:56.30 | GAN800 | crashanddie, you just got thumbboarded boy. :P |
| 14:56.50 | GAN800 | lcuk2, uniform style is desirable. |
| 14:57.13 | GAN800 | I'd improbe the look by styling the buttons more excitingly. |
| 14:57.26 | crashanddie | GAN800, working on that |
| 14:57.29 | GAN800 | s/improbe/improve/ |
| 14:57.30 | lcuk | uniform style is 100% desirable, but when im building and rebuilding and making the walls and fittings as i enter rooms its been a bit of an evolution at present |
| 14:57.47 | gpd | Is it possible to set the N8x0 to 'auto connect to these networks when I require network'? it keeps asking... annoying. |
| 14:57.58 | lcuk | mornin crashanddie btw :) |
| 14:58.11 | GAN800 | lcuk, when's it gonna be themeable? :P |
| 14:58.14 | crashanddie | lcuk, afternoon :) |
| 14:58.17 | Stskeeps | gah.. the 5 second boot people |
| 14:58.32 | Stskeeps | they don't seem to realize how amazing it is the tablet even boots in 30 seconds |
| 14:58.37 | lcuk | GAN800, if you have it installed do you see the teeeny tiny "ed" buttons ? |
| 14:58.40 | Jaffa | gpd: yes, any network you've got saved will be auto-connected to before showing the search box |
| 14:58.46 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, MAKE IT BOOT IN 5 SECONDS OR ELSE!!!! |
| 14:59.01 | Stskeeps | GAN800: define boot="start up X and show a pretty picture" |
| 14:59.02 | Stskeeps | done |
| 14:59.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:59.04 | GAN800 | lcuk, yeah, didn't manage to click on one yet. |
| 14:59.21 | lcuk | thats cos they arent wired in, they are there in preperation for something :) |
| 14:59.21 | crashanddie | gpd, click network icon, "Connectivity Settings", and make sure "Connect Automatically" says "WLAN", and Search interval is set to Never |
| 14:59.26 | gpd | Jaffa: doesn't seem to be for me --- it always asks me which one... unless I set the 'auto connect' - but then it stays connected and runs the battery down. |
| 14:59.39 | GAN800 | Some people are just so terrifyingly clueless. |
| 14:59.44 | lcuk | i needed the username to be able to identify people, but i want every button to be a customizable unique sketch |
| 15:00.11 | GAN800 | gpd, fix your router. |
| 15:00.23 | Stskeeps | gpd: there's timeouts too |
| 15:00.25 | Jaffa | gpd: it also shouldn't run the battery down when sat connected to wifi - unless your access point is hideously broken |
| 15:00.35 | GAN800 | Staying connected shouldn't affect battery life overly much. |
| 15:00.36 | Stskeeps | or simply WMM/WMI isn't enabled. |
| 15:00.47 | lcuk | so someone with 133t skills should be able to design nice ones without bugging me ;) |
| 15:00.50 | GAN800 | ~psm |
| 15:00.51 | infobot | psm is, like, Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm |
| 15:01.01 | GAN800 | ~wifi-psm |
| 15:01.01 | infobot | i guess wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 15:01.05 | lcuk | ive kept the ui elements 100% simple because it WILL change and im not messing with that for now |
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| 15:01.25 | GAN800 | lcuk, get Khertan to make a theme! |
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| 15:06.49 | gpd | ok getting somewhere -- mpd.conf s/localhost/any/ --> sonata on N800 now works :) |
| 15:07.43 | qwerty12 | still prefers mmpc to sonata. Sonata being python has a long ass time to start even with python-launcher |
| 15:08.30 | gpd | hmm.. i should try mmpc then... [i seem to like mocp via ssh until now] |
| 15:10.01 | qwerty12 | lcuk, btw, liqbase builds on the desktop right? I want to try it while I'm waiting for a charger :) |
| 15:10.06 | gpd | i take it that none of the 'pretty' media players support MPD? I need to compete with iPod WiFi fancy control of a laptop running iTunes. |
| 15:15.37 | gpd | qwerty12: mmpc seems to be tricky to edit the playlist (not intuitive?) |
| 15:16.48 | macoute_ | i sent even a message to the author about that |
| 15:16.51 | macoute_ | but its ok now |
| 15:17.11 | qwerty12 | gpd, Hmm, a fair point, I forgot mmpc has sucky music managment (I just have all my tracks in one folder and add them to one playlist :)). You probably could grab an client that supports mpd and compile it. I did a quick compile of gimmix once |
| 15:18.25 | gpd | sonata seems good - will have a look to see if canola2 / ukmp support mpd (no recollection that they do) |
| 15:20.10 | GAN800 | Somebody should make a plugin for Canola2. |
| 15:20.47 | gpd | canola supports upnp only at the moment it seems. shame. |
| 15:21.54 | gpd | nothing for UKMP either |
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| 15:23.41 | lcuk | qwerty12, theres a _USE_MAEMO maekfile flag and you also need to remove libxsp, but on the hwole yer |
| 15:23.58 | lcuk | is dyslexic today |
| 15:24.07 | qwerty12 | lcuk, hehe, thanks! |
| 15:24.08 | JasonWoof | what do I install to get the real gnu "find" program? |
| 15:25.08 | JasonWoof | don't care if it's gnu, but I want the full program. this failed: find . -iname '*foo*' |
| 15:25.25 | crashanddie | JasonWoof, findutils |
| 15:25.30 | JasonWoof | thanks! |
| 15:26.28 | JasonWoof | apt-get install findutils |
| 15:26.37 | JasonWoof | note, selecting bulsybox instead of findutils |
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| 15:26.47 | JasonWoof | busybox is already the newest version |
| 15:26.53 | qwerty12 | busybox provides findutils and findutils is not in a repo |
| 15:27.03 | JasonWoof | hmm |
| 15:27.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm dpkg-buildpackage'ing ubuntu mobile hildon packages for your pleasure later |
| 15:27.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: they seem a little more sane than debians for now |
| 15:27.14 | JasonWoof | whatever, I'll live |
| 15:27.53 | johnx | Stskeeps, more "sane"? hmm? |
| 15:28.19 | Stskeeps | johnx: updated towards upstream better and more suited in a debian environment |
| 15:28.47 | Stskeeps | in 95% of cases, atleast |
| 15:28.59 | johnx | Stskeeps, hmm, I should look then. I've been following debian's and the extra ones at http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-maemo/ |
| 15:29.43 | Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ is what i use |
| 15:31.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: funny fact, nm-applet works in mb+hildon |
| 15:31.18 | johnx | oh, they switched from the flash launcher... |
| 15:31.37 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah of course. The status bar in hildon supports sys tray applets |
| 15:31.44 | Stskeeps | that's going to help a lot :P |
| 15:32.22 | GAN800 | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3778 awesome |
| 15:32.39 | johnx | Stskeeps, the one in OS2008's hildon-desktop does too. That's why the Pidgin and Xchat icons are no problem |
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| 15:34.33 | Stskeeps | johnx: i kinda ponder how interesting a maemo-like desktop that's less hard to port modern debian apps to, could be.. |
| 15:35.45 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i keep wondering how hard it would be to adjust hildon to pick up properties from default x11 apps would be |
| 15:36.20 | johnx | lcuk, you just set different environment variables for hildon apps vs normal apps at launch |
| 15:36.23 | lcuk | liqbase is not hildonized and could benefit from hildon simply saying "ahhh you have an x11 window, ill just get all the info i can |
| 15:36.49 | johnx | lcuk, what info, particularly? |
| 15:36.54 | gpd | I wish I could fix my iBlue 2 from continually disconnecting... :( |
| 15:37.13 | lcuk | app name and listing it in the home menu when running mainly |
| 15:37.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, that was my idea at first, but no one else seemed interested. When I did beta2 it was hildon-desktop on a debian base... |
| 15:37.19 | lcuk | so it doesnt get lost when you press menu ;) |
| 15:37.21 | Macer | wonder what an nvidia chipset nic uses on the cpu |
| 15:37.36 | johnx | lcuk, that you can do without hildon :P |
| 15:38.07 | lcuk | johnx, install liqbase and please try to make it work, its a bugbear at present and i cannot seem to do it :$ |
| 15:39.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: got any scrshots from back then? |
| 15:39.13 | johnx | lcuk, I mean, that's not hildon's problem. It's just setting a one-liner in your app, I think |
| 15:39.16 | GAN800 | lcuk, maemo.org/development :P |
| 15:39.18 | Stskeeps | i only saw b3 so |
| 15:39.18 | Macer | i need to get a fanless video card for my server |
| 15:39.26 | Macer | i should have just gotten the server mboard with the onboard video |
| 15:39.37 | lcuk | lol gan maybe i will have more time in future to play :) |
| 15:39.41 | johnx | Stskeeps, sure, let me find 'em |
| 15:40.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: thing is, i don't really mind the hildon interface, but i'm disturbed by some system things |
| 15:40.40 | GAN800 | johnx, I liked the Hildon/Debian approach, but without proper keybinds, that godawful matchbox keyboard and without Nokia's 'differentiation' stuff it wasn't very usable. |
| 15:40.52 | johnx | Stskeeps, that was exactly my situation, but I released beta2 and everyone said "How about a normal window manager?" so I did that for beta3 |
| 15:40.55 | Stskeeps | GAN800: well, h-i-m exists now |
| 15:41.16 | Stskeeps | as oss |
| 15:41.39 | Stskeeps | that probably helps a little bit on it |
| 15:42.09 | johnx | Stskeeps, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/debianepiphany-webkit.png |
| 15:42.38 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 15:42.44 | Stskeeps | could probably be shined up with new themes ;) |
| 15:42.57 | johnx | Stskeeps, any that are considered free software :P |
| 15:43.11 | johnx | There's a lot more hildon stuff in debian/ubuntu now than there was in february |
| 15:43.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: that's a good question, there's a lot of themes distributed around on iTT and such |
| 15:43.32 | Stskeeps | is the foundational theme OSS? |
| 15:43.40 | GAN800 | Plankton |
| 15:43.51 | GAN800 | None of the bundled ones are free. |
| 15:43.55 | johnx | Stskeeps, plankton is...finally. the other's aren't |
| 15:43.58 | Jaffa | That's Plankton shown there (with 280px of browser viewport goodness) |
| 15:44.00 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 15:44.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: ubuntu mobile also has one it seems |
| 15:44.42 | GAN800 | I miss the OS2007 Plankton |
| 15:44.45 | johnx | I need to see if I like ubuntu's launcher better. I bet I will... |
| 15:44.50 | Jaffa | Try to use more of Ubuntu Mobile - getting rid of the left-hand Task Navigator without having to go full screen's a good idea IMHO |
| 15:44.57 | johnx | Jaffa++ |
| 15:45.25 | johnx | what I'd really like is to get rid of the top bar and shrink the left bar...but I'll take what I can get |
| 15:45.33 | johnx | going for the 80% solution here... |
| 15:45.36 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw the scrshot jaffa pasted earlier? |
| 15:45.45 | GAN800 | I don't know what whoever thought OS2007's default theme was anything but horrifying was on. |
| 15:45.49 | johnx | nah, I've been AFK |
| 15:45.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2888/two.jpg |
| 15:46.08 | johnx | nice |
| 15:46.17 | Stskeeps | (netbook remix) |
| 15:48.41 | johnx | it kind of kills me to use up any of the limited vertical pixels wee have, but I sadly wasn't on Maemo's original design team... |
| 15:49.05 | johnx | though matchbox would have less trouble living without a titlebar than any other window manager |
| 15:50.27 | GAN800 | I'm more concerned about horizontal. |
| 15:50.53 | johnx | GAN800, strictly for browsing? |
| 15:51.23 | GAN800 | That's one of my bigger usecases |
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| 15:52.39 | johnx | mine too, but a top title bar and a bottom toolbar eats up a huge chunk of our very limited vertical space, and a sidebar doesn't have to be as thick as the OS2008 taskbar |
| 15:53.12 | Stskeeps | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/ <- neat screenshots |
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| 15:54.07 | dick-richardson | Is it possible to get the gps coordinates from the command line? |
| 15:54.31 | GAN800 | Find one of about a dozen gpsd clients |
| 15:54.57 | dick-richardson | thank you :) |
| 15:55.50 | mavhc | then spend 5 hours working out which is best |
| 15:55.52 | johnx | Stskeeps, ok, sold |
| 15:56.22 | Stskeeps | johnx: excepting the osk, it looks decent |
| 15:56.37 | dick-richardson | mavhc: do you have a recommendation? |
| 15:56.37 | johnx | Stskeeps, I wonder if they're using matchbox or something else |
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| 15:56.56 | mavhc | no |
| 15:57.21 | GAN800 | I like all the cut off titles in the taskbar. |
| 15:57.24 | GAN800 | fail. |
| 15:58.09 | johnx | GAN800, having just icons would be ok, as would sideways titles |
| 15:58.38 | dick-richardson | I have my n810 automatically ssh into my desktop on wifi connection (and run through my squid proxy), and also set up a reverse tunnel back to the device |
| 15:59.06 | dick-richardson | if it's stolen, I just want it the gps to fire up, get the coordinates, and then I can just output them to a file |
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| 16:09.27 | Mace` | damn firefox |
| 16:09.38 | Mace` | when did it start to suck so bad? |
| 16:09.51 | johnx | Mace`, when you added that last extension |
| 16:10.21 | Mace` | well. i don't know what i added to it but it makes X crash every time i run it :) |
| 16:10.38 | johnx | if X crashes, it's a bug in X. period. |
| 16:10.44 | Mace` | heh |
| 16:10.45 | Mace` | maybe |
| 16:10.50 | sp3000 | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/143/ ! |
| 16:10.51 | johnx | by definition |
| 16:10.53 | sp3000 | ;) |
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| 16:11.06 | Mace` | it was just working...i rm'd .mozilla from my home dir |
| 16:11.16 | Mace` | now when ff starts... it just makes X quit |
| 16:11.24 | aquatix | maybe something with direct rendering and flash? |
| 16:11.28 | Mace` | well... i wouldn't say quit.. more of a crash and kick me back to a console |
| 16:11.41 | aquatix | sounds like an X issue indeed |
| 16:11.45 | sp3000 | crazy fonts of oversize image foo are some things that have been problematic iirc |
| 16:12.17 | Mace` | could be blackbox |
| 16:12.18 | Mace` | :) |
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| 16:12.40 | Mace` | maybe i can try it in safe mode or something |
| 16:13.24 | johnx | if your window manager crashes it might by difficult for you to tell apart from X11 crashes |
| 16:13.38 | johnx | either way, not firefox's fault :) |
| 16:13.49 | sp3000 | well, right, if the session dies and X decides you're done |
| 16:14.14 | sp3000 | someone's log may be useful |
| 16:15.55 | gpd | ok - I'm trying to debug this iBlue 2 - N800 problem of lost connection here is the syslog from boot to when it starts dropping the connection to the iBlue: |
| 16:15.58 | gpd | http://pastebin.com/m6d02990a |
| 16:16.16 | gpd | where would I file a bug report for this do you think? |
| 16:17.10 | Mace` | the last errors are blackbox errors |
| 16:17.54 | Mace` | M -- assumed: (203, -2147483632), real: (203, 16) |
| 16:17.54 | Mace` | blackbox: Window.cc:2248: void BlackboxWindow::show(): Assertion `client.rect.left() == real_x && client.rect.top() == real_y' failed. |
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| 16:19.40 | gpd | Supervision timeout to 00:0B:0D:85:58:4F. Device out of rage? <-- genius |
| 16:23.17 | Stskeeps | johnx: you used start-hildon and stuff back then? my sapwood seems to go insane and refuse to load anything :P |
| 16:23.28 | GAN800 | wants to stab something evertytime MicroB tops itself. |
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| 16:23.44 | gpd | sdp-query 00:0B:0D:85:58:4F: |
| 16:23.48 | gpd | r|SPP|1|0|SPP slave |
| 16:24.06 | gpd | I am lost on where to start with fixing this :( |
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| 16:26.48 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: any pointers? |
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| 16:41.02 | lcuk | having some time off, hopefully ill be offline for a while ;) |
| 16:41.23 | gpd | ok - trying hcidump after installing bluez-utils |
| 16:41.32 | gpd | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21257&highlight=sudoers+mapper <-- similar problem but not quite |
| 16:42.05 | gpd | also removed mac address from maemo-mapper settings but kept on bluetooth -- as suggested. |
| 16:45.03 | robink | Blargh lightmediascanner0-ogg |
| 16:45.57 | gpd | bah -- thought it was stable there - but dropped again... balls. |
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| 16:57.50 | qwerty12 | liqbase + windows = fail. http://pastebin.com/m2e9989f4 :P |
| 16:58.46 | MangoFusion | shit, does this mean i can't run this on my windows mobile device? |
| 16:58.48 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 16:59.04 | qwerty12 | I can't be arsed to reboot to ubuntu to try it out :P |
| 16:59.33 | johnx | qwerty12, need a better x server :P |
| 16:59.45 | qwerty12 | johnx, yeah :D |
| 17:00.02 | qwerty12 | I spent ages apt-getting and switching gcc versions as well... :P |
| 17:00.46 | johnx | using windows is too difficult for me. that's why I had to give up. Maybe when the new version comes out I'll install it and play around to see if it's gotten easier :( |
| 17:01.28 | qwerty12 | Used vista by any chance? I'm not allowed access to C:\Documents And Settings to anymore, having to work with C:\Users |
| 17:02.30 | johnx | I'd try vista but I don't think it supports all my hardware out of the box, and I'm not enough of a geek to go and track down drivers for all my hardware |
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| 17:03.28 | qwerty12 | Heh, ati drivers suck as much in windows as they do in maemo. This vista is haxed to let me use dreamscene (videos playing as your background) and the driver keeps needing to be reset every 10 seconds |
| 17:03.51 | qwerty12 | s/maemo/linux/ |
| 17:04.04 | qwerty12 | has got maemo on the mind >.< |
| 17:04.18 | johnx | ahaha...you totally missed it 10 years ago when ATi drivers used to be worse |
| 17:05.28 | sp3000 | Setting up pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (5.4) ... |
| 17:05.30 | sp3000 | mv: cannot rename '/usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/*': No such file or directory |
| 17:05.34 | sp3000 | dpkg: error processing pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (--configure): |
| 17:05.34 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.39 | sp3000 | oh yeah, symlinks ftw, but this is old news, right |
| 17:05.58 | qwerty12 | That's pretty shitty scripting. At least shove an || true in that postinst... |
| 17:09.02 | sp3000 | why don't I see that bug reported |
| 17:10.10 | GAN800 | sp3000 it's reported. |
| 17:10.23 | GAN800 | sp3000, SSU is in the summary. |
| 17:10.50 | sp3000 | guess I need to scroll down |
| 17:10.59 | sp3000 | who's reporting all these bugs! |
| 17:11.44 | qwerty12 | I can only find: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3750 |
| 17:11.58 | sp3000 | yeah, that'd be it |
| 17:13.42 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: btw where did your 60 second boot up on s2ram statement come from? |
| 17:13.56 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I made one? |
| 17:14.00 | Stskeeps | .. i think so |
| 17:14.11 | Stskeeps | when i used s2ram it was pretty much 1-2 sec restore time |
| 17:14.18 | Stskeeps | (the .sh, not the closed binary) |
| 17:14.36 | qwerty12 | I can't have done as I've never used that script once in my life |
| 17:14.43 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:14.56 | Stskeeps | well my memory fails me. senility is a normal thing for uni students ;) |
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| 17:16.16 | Stskeeps | but s2ram did help a lot on battery life, but as soon as it got near a wifi without PSM .. boom |
| 17:16.25 | Stskeeps | dunno why :P |
| 17:16.27 | sp3000 | goes into bugzilla prefs to change the silly "show random bug after submit" default |
| 17:17.35 | sp3000 | grumbles at the lack of a dpkg.log |
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| 17:17.47 | sp3000 | would have liked to apt-get install --reinstall things |
| 17:18.12 | sp3000 | oh, thank you dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii |
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| 17:20.17 | GAN800 | Dropping the giant media/docs packages from o-s-v would make the whole process 100x more stable. |
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| 17:20.42 | sp3000 | iU fennec 0.8 Mozilla's mob |
| 17:20.44 | sp3000 | iU osso-software-version-rx44 1:4.2008.36-5 |
| 17:20.46 | sp3000 | iF pre-installed-documentation-rx44 5.4 Pre-installed |
| 17:20.47 | sp3000 | iF xulrunner 1.9.1b1pre-20080923171103 Project aimin |
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| 17:25.56 | sp3000 | heh |
| 17:25.58 | sp3000 | Setting up xulrunner (1.9.1b1pre-20080923171103) ... |
| 17:26.00 | sp3000 | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 17:26.02 | sp3000 | dpkg: error processing xulrunner (--configure): |
| 17:26.04 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.07 | sp3000 | that's promising :P |
| 17:26.29 | sp3000 | oh, it does that on remove, too. clever :D |
| 17:26.37 | GAN800 | Same here |
| 17:26.49 | GAN800 | I killed it with fire. |
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| 17:31.07 | sp3000 | gently edits /var/lib/dpkg/info/xulrunner.prerm |
| 17:31.24 | woglinde | hi |
| 17:32.03 | GAN800 | I think it fails trying to remove /usr/local/bin |
| 17:32.33 | sp3000 | nah, it warns about "`/usr/local' not empty so not removed", that's pretty common |
| 17:32.48 | sp3000 | hah, next error: |
| 17:32.51 | sp3000 | Setting up pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (5.4) ... |
| 17:32.53 | sp3000 | chown: /home/user/MyDocs/.images: Operation not permitted |
| 17:32.55 | sp3000 | dpkg: error processing pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (--configure): |
| 17:32.57 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.14 | sp3000 | Nokia-N810-23-14:~# ls -lahd /home/user/MyDocs/.images |
| 17:33.16 | sp3000 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 user users 17 Jul 15 00:53 /home/user/MyDocs/.images -> /media/mmc2/Kuvat |
| 17:33.21 | sp3000 | so more of the same |
| 17:33.42 | GAN800 | Better to just forget MyDocs exists. |
| 17:33.47 | GAN800 | or |
| 17:33.55 | GAN800 | ~boot-sd |
| 17:33.56 | infobot | boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 17:34.17 | woglinde | sp3000 fakeroot apt-get upgrade |
| 17:34.41 | johnx | yeah, breaking the "everything under $HOME belongs to the user...only!" rule has obvious consequences... |
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| 17:35.36 | johnx | nokia really should have know better... |
| 17:35.42 | GAN800 | Haaa |
| 17:36.23 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia knowing better . . . you're a funny man, johnx. :P |
| 17:36.29 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 17:36.38 | johnx | "Those who don't learn from Unix are doomed to reimplement it poorly." |
| 17:36.40 | BULLE | m00 |
| 17:36.44 | johnx | m00f |
| 17:36.45 | RST38h | there are companies that know worse than nokia though |
| 17:36.56 | johnx | at least they don't have us running as root... |
| 17:37.04 | RST38h | johnx: no, "Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to invent it again and again. Poorly." |
| 17:37.35 | RST38h | johnx: Which is exactly what we see from Microsoft |
| 17:37.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's amazing the people who swarm out of the woodwork to defend off-topic spam. |
| 17:38.27 | RST38h | GAN: Heh, you remind me... |
| 17:39.07 | RST38h | thanks Cthulhu who kept him from installing latest Pidgin "updates" |
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| 17:39.33 | johnx | RST38h, I've hard it both ways. so has google |
| 17:39.38 | rm_you | jott: we need to fix that mute bug i showed you |
| 17:39.44 | rm_you | jott: then increment and release :P |
| 17:40.08 | GAN800 | On bug per release. |
| 17:40.35 | rm_you | it's the only bug that I know of at present that is actually fixable on our side |
| 17:40.42 | rm_you | we still need dsme |
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| 17:41.31 | rm_you | prods lcuk |
| 17:41.56 | lcuk | hi rm, im not meant to be here |
| 17:42.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:42.06 | lcuk | have you tried my package yet ? :D |
| 17:42.12 | rm_you | no <_< |
| 17:42.15 | rm_you | i've been |
| 17:42.18 | rm_you | ... gone |
| 17:42.33 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up/liqbase_0.0.3_armel.deb |
| 17:42.37 | lcuk | ahhh, welcome back |
| 17:42.59 | rm_you | yeah will be disappearing shortly again this next week :P |
| 17:43.17 | lcuk | ooh, anywhere exciting? |
| 17:43.41 | rm_you | not really for you :P |
| 17:45.09 | lcuk | heh |
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| 17:49.26 | sp3000 | what the heck? |
| 17:49.31 | sp3000 | chown -R $USERID:$USERGID $USERHOME/MyDocs |
| 17:49.46 | sp3000 | suspects that second thing is some busybox bug |
| 17:50.22 | Stskeeps | upgrade script does that? |
| 17:50.28 | johnx | heh |
| 17:50.34 | johnx | that's far from kosher |
| 17:50.41 | johnx | and if it fails, dies? |
| 17:50.44 | rm_you | isn't the problem that tyou're trying to move a symlink to a fat32 partition? >_> |
| 17:51.01 | Stskeeps | i'd like to start a petition for lynching the person writing upgrade scripts for maemo |
| 17:51.03 | rm_you | <sp3000> lrwxrwxrwx 1 user users 17 Jul 15 00:53 /home/user/MyDocs/.images -> /media/mmc2/Kuvat |
| 17:51.19 | johnx | rm_you, that's allowed |
| 17:51.20 | sp3000 | rm_you: yeah, but surely chown -R shouldn't fail on that |
| 17:51.26 | johnx | a symlink can *point* anywhere |
| 17:51.29 | rm_you | srsly? what does it do? |
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| 17:51.34 | rm_you | just copy the file? |
| 17:51.44 | rm_you | yeah but fat32 doesn't support symlinks? |
| 17:51.52 | rm_you | so... does it just make another copy of the file there? |
| 17:51.55 | johnx | rm_you, but the symlink is on jffs2 |
| 17:52.05 | johnx | the *target* is on the fat fs |
| 17:52.05 | rm_you | and isn't it MOVING it to the fat32? |
| 17:52.11 | sp3000 | a symlink is just a ponter to a path, it makes no difference what fs type the target is on |
| 17:52.16 | sp3000 | pointer even |
| 17:52.27 | rm_you | ah no |
| 17:52.35 | rm_you | right i know |
| 17:52.43 | rm_you | i thought it was moving the link to a fat32 system |
| 17:52.50 | rm_you | misread |
| 17:52.54 | johnx | ah |
| 17:53.07 | sp3000 | anyhow, wtf is bb chown managing to fail there? |
| 17:53.22 | rm_you | btw, what does happen if you move a symlink to a fat32? |
| 17:53.24 | sp3000 | it's like it's trying to traverse a symlink on -R, which I think would be ...bad? |
| 17:53.24 | Stskeeps | sp3000: cos it recurses into .images and cannot chown on a fat32.. |
| 17:53.27 | rm_you | does it copy the file? |
| 17:54.30 | sp3000 | Stskeeps: $USER@random-ubuntu-box:~$ mkdir test; ln -s /root test/root && chown -R $USER test && echo $? => 0 |
| 17:54.48 | Stskeeps | sp3000: so chown behaviour differs in busybox and in normal chown? |
| 17:54.56 | rm_you | anyway, bbiab |
| 17:55.17 | sp3000 | ~ $ mkdir test; ln -s /root test/root && chown -R $USER test && echo $? |
| 17:55.18 | Stskeeps | sp3000: check for busybox bug report, the busybox on tablet is .. old |
| 17:55.18 | sp3000 | chown: test/root: Operation not permitted |
| 17:55.20 | sp3000 | oh ffs |
| 17:55.30 | sp3000 | yeah, that's clearly insane :) |
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| 17:57.28 | Stskeeps | sp3000: http://bugs.busybox.net/view.php?id=310 |
| 17:57.58 | melmoth | GRmblblblb |
| 17:58.12 | melmoth | it is a real pain to use the autobuilder with a long chain if dependencies... |
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| 18:00.00 | sp3000 | Stskeeps: probably not it |
| 18:00.06 | sp3000 | http://www.busybox.net/lists/busybox/2006-August/023783.html is later |
| 18:00.30 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 18:00.44 | sp3000 | hahaha |
| 18:00.56 | sp3000 | ~ $ mkdir test; ln -s /root test/root && chown -P $USER test && echo $? |
| 18:00.58 | sp3000 | chown: invalid option -- P |
| 18:01.00 | sp3000 | Usage: chown [-RhLHP]... OWNER[<.|:>[GROUP]] FILE... |
| 18:01.25 | johnx | win! |
| 18:01.30 | johnx | a winner is you! |
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| 18:05.43 | RST38h | [6~ |
| 18:05.48 | woglinde | moo |
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| 18:08.24 | lcuk2 | waves at qole |
| 18:09.20 | qole | plays with liqbase |
| 18:09.59 | lcuk2 | :O |
| 18:10.04 | lcuk2 | i blew his machine up |
| 18:12.05 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=230689&postcount=17 <- FINALLY, some sanity |
| 18:14.49 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, its nice to hear things like that |
| 18:15.45 | Stskeeps | we can get it down to maybe 15 seconds, but that's about it and all of the OS won't be loaded at that point |
| 18:15.51 | melmoth | despair with the autobuilder. |
| 18:16.12 | melmoth | anybody knows why apt-get source only see old version of pakcages ? |
| 18:16.25 | melmoth | and why is there no apt-get source available for the non devel extra repo ? |
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| 18:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, isn't it great how igor always brings the awesome? |
| 18:20.20 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: authoriative statements are always good |
| 18:21.12 | Stskeeps | or atleast someone who's actually been working with it |
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| 18:23.20 | dick-richardson | What consumer electronics device boots in 5s? None of my cell phones have. My palm pda didn't (though it was probably closest). Just leave the thing run. |
| 18:23.36 | lcuk2 | my video does |
| 18:23.47 | dick-richardson | mine doesn't :( |
| 18:23.47 | lcuk2 | and the wii does |
| 18:23.53 | GeneralAntilles | My calculator does. :P |
| 18:23.56 | GeneralAntilles | The Wii so does not. |
| 18:24.03 | lcuk2 | im sure it does |
| 18:24.05 | lcuk2 | rechecks |
| 18:24.05 | Stskeeps | dick-richardson: i think it would be possible if you did proper dependancy booting and goal-oriented such as start bluetooth services when needed and stuff |
| 18:24.10 | Stskeeps | and that's the goal with OHM/Upstart |
| 18:24.17 | Stskeeps | but it's a lot of tedious work |
| 18:24.37 | dick-richardson | pointless...improve power management so it doesn't have to |
| 18:25.02 | dick-richardson | then you have "instant on" and a host of other benefits |
| 18:25.07 | GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, yeah, that's what Nokia is actually doing. ;) |
| 18:25.14 | Stskeeps | suspend to sd could be interesting |
| 18:25.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:25.24 | lcuk2 | and wasteful and bugfidden |
| 18:25.32 | lcuk2 | my phone takes about 30sec to boot up and thats a simple thing |
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| 18:27.17 | Stskeeps | i think a soft reboot might be a good thing for maemo |
| 18:27.22 | Stskeeps | kill X, restart services |
| 18:27.32 | Stskeeps | that's 99% of my non-deblet related reboots |
| 18:27.36 | dick-richardson | easy enough...i do it all the time |
| 18:27.46 | dick-richardson | just need an icon for 'sudo init 6' |
| 18:28.03 | dick-richardson | which I also have |
| 18:28.14 | johnx | lcuk2, booting the wii from cold power off? or the usual "suspend" it does? |
| 18:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, /etc/systemui/systemui.xml |
| 18:28.37 | lcuk2 | i dunno, i just know ive never had an extended wait period |
| 18:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's not really a slow boot either way |
| 18:29.06 | GeneralAntilles | But when you count the game startup time. :P |
| 18:29.07 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: my gripe isn't really the slow boot |
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| 18:29.14 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it's how much it rapes the battery when not on charger |
| 18:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | I want one of those little jet engines for the tablet. |
| 18:29.51 | Stskeeps | i'd be happy with a fuel cell |
| 18:29.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:30.41 | dick-richardson | nuclear |
| 18:31.04 | Stskeeps | warming your pocket with sweet radiation.. |
| 18:31.05 | dick-richardson | or hand-crank |
| 18:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | 5 or 6 german cockroaches on treadmills. |
| 18:31.30 | johnx | radio-isotope FTW! |
| 18:31.54 | ShadowJK | mine went 83.6% -> 82.8% in 30 minutes, screen off, xchat online via wlan, and a shell to it to tail -f the battery.log battery-status is updating every 10 minutes... |
| 18:32.27 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i imported my settings from chinook.. i suspect that's what is fucking with it |
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| 18:32.35 | ShadowJK | I did that too |
| 18:32.41 | ShadowJK | except apps, I reinstalled manually |
| 18:32.44 | Stskeeps | same |
| 18:32.53 | ShadowJK | odd :) |
| 18:33.09 | ShadowJK | the battery.log is even being written to sd :) |
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| 18:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | Why random announcements about new MIDs are relevant and on-topic for maemo-users: http://pastebin.com/d332eef95 |
| 18:34.05 | dick-richardson | that systemui.xml...I uncommented reboot - where will I see it? |
| 18:34.14 | johnx | ShadowJK, though those numbers are far from accurate, even though they have lots of digits |
| 18:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, powerkey menu. |
| 18:34.33 | dick-richardson | must have to reboot to have it reload... |
| 18:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, yes. |
| 18:34.45 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ~50000 backlog? |
| 18:34.53 | ShadowJK | johnx, yeah I noticed they decrement in steps of .4 |
| 18:35.00 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hmm? |
| 18:35.08 | dick-richardson | GeneralAntilles: hell of a lot cleaner than my previous solution |
| 18:35.40 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm not sure if you are sarcastic or not, but the number of order backlog is actually bloody impressive :P |
| 18:35.53 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, who cares? why argue about it and spam the list even more? |
| 18:36.03 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm not. |
| 18:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, perhaps, but it's still entirely irrelevant to that list. :P |
| 18:36.25 | Stskeeps | that's probably true, yes |
| 18:36.29 | ShadowJK | atom probably still eats power when idle, and the chipsets totally suck at the moment :-( |
| 18:36.33 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, sorry, jumped to conclusions |
| 18:36.38 | ShadowJK | that said, i have a Atom330 board arriving next week |
| 18:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | I heard 24W at idle for one particular Atom board. |
| 18:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | No "probably" about it. |
| 18:37.18 | ShadowJK | the chipset eats 22W :) |
| 18:37.19 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP2 sucks next to nothing at idle, and OMAP3 basically sucks nothing. |
| 18:37.21 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: when i get beagleboard at work i'll start hw-support packages for them btw, if that has any interest :P |
| 18:37.35 | ShadowJK | if they'd atleast put a laptop chipset with atom.. |
| 18:37.41 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, well, the whole Beagle eats just under 2W at complete full-blast. |
| 18:37.54 | johnx | ShadowJK, the fact that it still has to be anchored to another chipset to boot tells you how useful it will be in real embedded systems |
| 18:38.02 | johnx | Stskeeps, how are the builds going? |
| 18:38.23 | Stskeeps | johnx: hildon-desktop lacks some dependancies, but libosso1-dev, libhildonhelp, libhildon are there |
| 18:38.37 | johnx | Stskeeps, why not use hildon-desktop from debian? |
| 18:39.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: later version and hope(?) that it didn't screw up as bad as debian hildon-desktop did for me |
| 18:39.11 | johnx | ah, what happened with it? |
| 18:39.43 | Stskeeps | loads of icons not being able to load, even if hildon-icons and themes etc were installed |
| 18:39.46 | Stskeeps | not sure why |
| 18:39.58 | ShadowJK | Do you think there'll be support in linux for the 3D cores in arms in the future? |
| 18:40.01 | Stskeeps | it did start sapwood and everything |
| 18:40.18 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, the drivers for the SGX are shipping early next year. |
| 18:40.39 | ShadowJK | sgx? |
| 18:40.41 | johnx | ah, I think hildon-icons isn't very complete. it's just the open source subset. so yeah, I guess the ubuntu packages are a more complete starting point |
| 18:40.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: well it didn't get remotely close to being usable |
| 18:40.54 | johnx | should poke at mojo-ubuntu again :/ |
| 18:40.56 | Stskeeps | no edges and stuff |
| 18:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powervr#Series_5_.28SGX.29 |
| 18:41.06 | johnx | Stskeeps, no side panels? |
| 18:41.13 | Stskeeps | dark goo, to be precise |
| 18:41.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:41.20 | Stskeeps | but clickable left bar |
| 18:41.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: ublet is pretty easy to make work on tablet |
| 18:42.14 | Stskeeps | it's an alternate debootstrap script but the whole init script tricks and stuff are the same |
| 18:42.53 | Stskeeps | so it would probably be just replacing debootstrap and release name to get it rolling |
| 18:43.03 | johnx | is the ubuntu mobile stuff in their main repo or is it outside? |
| 18:43.14 | Stskeeps | think it's main repo |
| 18:43.22 | Stskeeps | found several in main repo so |
| 18:43.31 | johnx | well, the core stuff would be |
| 18:45.49 | johnx | ha! I know what to try it on. I'll slap it on my zaurus :) |
| 18:45.58 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:46.05 | rm_you | roflcaekz |
| 18:46.14 | Stskeeps | trying mojo or? |
| 18:46.18 | johnx | mojo |
| 18:46.19 | Stskeeps | or getting deblet on zaurus :P |
| 18:46.21 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:46.33 | rm_you | I kind of wish I had a Cxx00 periodically >_> |
| 18:46.37 | johnx | Stskeeps, debian works on zaurus in plain vanilla form |
| 18:46.43 | johnx | rm_you, nah, they're too slow |
| 18:46.50 | rm_you | but neat |
| 18:46.51 | johnx | painfully slow vs an n800 |
| 18:47.01 | rm_you | did they ever fix video? |
| 18:47.11 | rm_you | lack of proper fb support? |
| 18:47.14 | johnx | can't really be fixed |
| 18:47.16 | rm_you | <_< |
| 18:47.19 | johnx | the fb is rotated in software |
| 18:47.25 | rm_you | thought it was a driver issue or summat |
| 18:47.27 | johnx | nothing to be done about it |
| 18:47.29 | rm_you | bleh |
| 18:47.42 | johnx | they could optimize it more, but no one seems interested |
| 18:47.46 | rm_you | but |
| 18:47.53 | rm_you | why does the rotation matter again? |
| 18:48.07 | Stskeeps | wonders how expensive a beagleboard laptop would be |
| 18:48.14 | Stskeeps | (to construct) |
| 18:48.24 | johnx | because to make it transparent to software you have to do it in the kernel for everything |
| 18:48.58 | johnx | Stskeeps, I've had the same idea. repeatedly. the psions look like a great shell to start with... |
| 18:49.27 | johnx | rm_you, the cxx00 really is closer to 5500 performance than n800 performance |
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| 18:49.37 | johnx | ~lart Intel for long pipelines |
| 18:49.37 | infobot | decapitates Intel conan the destroyer style for long pipelines |
| 18:49.37 | rm_you | the 5500 played good video >_< |
| 18:49.47 | johnx | rm_you, on a screen with 1/4 the pixels |
| 18:49.50 | johnx | not rotated |
| 18:49.52 | rm_you | bleh |
| 18:49.58 | rm_you | the rotation shouldnt matter |
| 18:50.06 | rm_you | mplayer will do software rotation at almost no cost |
| 18:50.13 | RST38h | johnx: Hey that was offensive! |
| 18:50.17 | rm_you | i'm still not understanding why it matters |
| 18:50.41 | johnx | RST38h, tell me how the pxa ARMs and P4s weren't a horrible mistake |
| 18:51.07 | RST38h | johnx: P4s were, I can't say much about XScale as it is no longer with us |
| 18:51.07 | johnx | rm_you, well, if it gets more optimized that would definitely help |
| 18:51.23 | rm_you | eh whatever. gotta go back to being gone :P |
| 18:51.30 | rm_you | bbl |
| 18:51.39 | RST38h | johnx: but the real problem in P4, according to independent sources, was speculative execution |
| 18:51.50 | johnx | RST38h, a 400MHz xscale is a lot slower than a 400MHz OMAP2 |
| 18:52.08 | RST38h | johnx: yea, I know that... |
| 18:52.20 | johnx | and it wasn't a great advance on the strongarm either |
| 18:52.28 | lcuk810 | damn this xchat, how do i make it let me enter a chan, its not lettin me type on the initial dialog |
| 18:52.35 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, well, sourcing a dislay that'll work with the dvi is gonna be painful. |
| 18:52.44 | RST38h | Oh well, poor XScale has been sold to the Chinese slave owners and will surely die horrible death of starwation |
| 18:52.51 | RST38h | starvation, sorry |
| 18:52.57 | johnx | hopefully |
| 18:52.57 | Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah, true |
| 18:53.06 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, you can probably put one of those Xenarc touchscreens in a smaller frame. |
| 18:53.18 | GAN800 | But that's $500 |
| 18:53.24 | RST38h | johnx: Ideally, I would like to it to take all the remaining PocketPCs with it |
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| 18:53.50 | johnx | RST38h, I don't care about those as long as no one points one at me |
| 18:54.10 | johnx | (and as long as I don't have to work in any IT dept ever again where we support WinMo phones) |
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| 18:55.44 | RST38h | johnx: Well, those are far from dead yet |
| 18:55.51 | johnx | sadly |
| 18:55.59 | RST38h | and the market for them grows |
| 18:56.23 | RST38h | btw, geeks absolutely love 'em here: those WinMo phones have got all the bells and whistles and they are cheap |
| 18:56.24 | johnx | I think I'd probably rather support iphones |
| 18:56.34 | melmoth | I m going mad... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/sword_1.5.10-8/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 18:56.43 | RST38h | real wonder of chinese manufacturing |
| 18:56.48 | melmoth | can somebody tell me waht "size mismatch" in the autobuidler may mean ? |
| 18:57.02 | RST38h | melmoth: It doesn't like you? |
| 18:57.08 | melmoth | I spent the whole afternoon struggling with the builder instead of coding :-( |
| 18:57.20 | melmoth | i really dont like it neither. |
| 18:58.05 | RST38h | looks like it has not found a package |
| 18:58.20 | melmoth | The package is ther,e i just had to re re re re re push it again |
| 18:58.39 | RST38h | is clucene your package? |
| 18:58.42 | melmoth | i dotn have any src deb for stuf fi put in extras. |
| 18:59.12 | melmoth | yes, i have a long chain of dependencies to re build from scratch. clucene core/sword/python-sword/rapier |
| 18:59.24 | GAN800 | lol . . . there's a weightwatchers app in Extras. |
| 18:59.34 | RST38h | size mismatch usually means that the repo scripts have fucked up |
| 18:59.47 | RST38h | melmoth: So I suggest you catch X-Fade and tell him about it |
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| 19:00.50 | RST38h | autobuilder appears to be a permanent disaster though =( |
| 19:01.24 | lcuk810 | it built itself |
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| 19:02.58 | RST38h | yes but then there was a problem putting it into extras-devel |
| 19:03.04 | yerga | melmoth, if you upload the same version of a package twice to the repo could happen the size mismatch error |
| 19:03.17 | melmoth | i did not |
| 19:03.28 | melmoth | i use dch each time to increment it |
| 19:03.44 | lcuk810 | dch |
| 19:03.47 | lcuk810 | mmm nice |
| 19:03.53 | lcuk810 | does it work |
| 19:03.59 | melmoth | and as the autobuilder eat the change sword src package , each time, i have to remake all the change |
| 19:04.08 | melmoth | has the waste of time blues |
| 19:04.08 | yerga | mmm, i received two mails from the autobuilder mailing list with clucene-core 0.9.20-4 |
| 19:04.24 | Komzpa | hi everybody. how can I add cyrillic letters Ñ and Ñ, to the screen keyboard and handwriting recognition? |
| 19:04.36 | yerga | 30 min ago and 15 min ago |
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| 19:04.54 | RST38h | Kompza: why is it a problem? |
| 19:05.07 | RST38h | Kompza: Cyrillic keyboard has C |
| 19:07.11 | Komzpa | RST38h: those letters are used in belarusian language, and they're absent on both keyboard and handwriting. |
| 19:07.44 | RST38h | Kompza: the letters you typed look like C? and C? (i.e. normal Cs with question marks) |
| 19:08.09 | RST38h | Kompza: But if you want to add a few letters to the standard layout, look here: http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ |
| 19:08.18 | RST38h | And here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/26609 |
| 19:08.36 | Komzpa | RST38h: probably encodings are different, they look like i and y with tilde. |
| 19:09.14 | RST38h | Found them on Wiki |
| 19:09.15 | RST38h | yea |
| 19:09.47 | RST38h | You should be able to add them using scripts from the second URL |
| 19:12.04 | Macer | hm... something is wrong with either qt or kde |
| 19:12.26 | Macer | seems like fonts aren't redrawing correctly.. when i scroll a window they get all screwed |
| 19:12.33 | melmoth | gies up |
| 19:12.40 | melmoth | personal repository it will be |
| 19:14.39 | Komzpa | RST38h: thanks. |
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| 19:26.12 | RST38h | melmoth: you know there is one more way to do it |
| 19:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | non-free is not a valid answer. |
| 19:37.07 | mikkov_ | melmoth: clucene-core was uploaded twice to extras-devel without changing version number. |
| 19:38.08 | mikkov_ | if there were any changes between uploads, it wont work at all |
| 19:38.26 | melmoth | nothing changes except version number. |
| 19:38.50 | mikkov_ | I would try to change version number anyway |
| 19:39.02 | RST38h | melmoth: increment version number, resubmit, see what happens |
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| 19:39.44 | melmoth | too many problems...just too many |
| 19:39.54 | RST38h | if it still screws up, make a sacrifice to the Green One and ask him to visit XFade in his dreams |
| 19:40.51 | RST38h | but yes, in the worst case non-free it is. |
| 19:40.58 | melmoth | i m building my own repo. once i have something working where i can change and fix things fast, without having to wait an hour to see the package, without wondering where the src may be, then i may take a break, and focus on coding. |
| 19:41.08 | melmoth | then, i may re try to push it on extras |
| 19:41.30 | RST38h | own repo definitely isn't a good idea |
| 19:41.46 | GAN800 | RST38h, free things in non-free will be deleted. |
| 19:42.02 | RST38h | GAN: non-free means "source not available" |
| 19:42.14 | RST38h | the stuff there is actually free :) |
| 19:42.31 | lcuk2 | melmoth, get it working first using your own, but 100% agree with general that you shouldnt use it. of course its best to learn about it but dont add to the fragmentation longterm |
| 19:42.41 | GAN800 | RST38h, um, your point? |
| 19:43.03 | GAN800 | open source packages don't belong in non-free. |
| 19:43.14 | RST38h | GAN: as long as melmoth does not make source available, it is non-free =) |
| 19:43.45 | lcuk2 | i know what you mean about losing coding time, i held off on packaging and svn and releases for such an age, and when i did do first svn upload, i lost almost a months worth of coding time getting it up and talking to people about it and stuff |
| 19:44.23 | melmoth | RST38h: all i uploaded was uploaded with sources. |
| 19:45.05 | mikkov_ | clucene-core and -dev installs for me... |
| 19:45.06 | melmoth | not my code anyway in this chain, except for the final package (rapier), who is free (it s python..hard to do hide sources even i wanted to, wich i do not) |
| 19:45.25 | melmoth | they installed for me too, it s just the build of sword that needs them that failed |
| 19:46.46 | RST38h | umgh |
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| 19:47.02 | lcuk2 | melmoth, open source and free are two different issues :) |
| 19:47.12 | RST38h | ok, try this: 1. increment version number on clucene and upload it |
| 19:47.21 | lcuk2 | hi dneary |
| 19:47.42 | RST38h | 2. make sure your main package requires the "new" clucene or better (i.e. >=) |
| 19:47.47 | RST38h | 3. Retry build |
| 19:49.09 | mikkov_ | for me only problem with autobuilder is that it is too slow and you can't make batch jobs |
| 19:50.56 | Mek | btw, there are both a clucene-core/-dev and libclucene-core/-dev that are mutually exclusive in extras-devel... |
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| 19:56.49 | RST38h | sega is getting back into console business...hehehe |
| 19:57.38 | woglinde | RST38h hehe |
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| 20:02.31 | crashanddie | what format does the webcam use on the n8x0? V4L2? |
| 20:03.23 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 20:03.52 | lcuk | crashanddie, yes |
| 20:04.02 | lcuk | v4l2src |
| 20:04.22 | crashanddie | apparently there's a hack for the eee, which uses that format too |
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| 20:04.29 | crashanddie | in order to be able to use the webcam with flash |
| 20:05.10 | lcuk | http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1096/2137a9950nf3.jpg |
| 20:05.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, qole mentioned it |
| 20:05.27 | lcuk | giggles at that picture |
| 20:05.30 | RST38h | lcuk: scary |
| 20:08.35 | GAN800 | and I was thinking igor's post might actually end that stupid thread. |
| 20:08.47 | crashanddie | link? |
| 20:08.58 | crashanddie | god I love this song: http://www.deezer.com/track/11243 |
| 20:09.27 | GAN800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24049 |
| 20:11.37 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i hoped so too.. |
| 20:11.47 | RST38h | unsubscribe and forget |
| 20:12.04 | crashanddie | god I hate the itT forum |
| 20:12.29 | GAN800 | It's a bad drug. |
| 20:12.32 | RST38h | unsubscribe and forget |
| 20:12.48 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: i don't mind some parts of it that i enjoy, but a lot of the rest.. :P |
| 20:12.50 | GAN800 | I don't subscribe. |
| 20:13.08 | crashanddie | I'm not talking about the content |
| 20:13.13 | crashanddie | just the forum software |
| 20:13.31 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:13.53 | GAN800 | I just need andre to kill the bug |
| 20:13.58 | Stskeeps | GAN800: "Council Edition"? |
| 20:13.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:14.39 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, hopefull we wont be doing all the work. ;) |
| 20:15.35 | Stskeeps | no, but could be a interesting way to control the edition and push more towards features of it being pushed into os2008 :P |
| 20:16.01 | crashanddie | "HAI Nokia, this is a bug so that I can play World of Warcraft on the n810" |
| 20:16.11 | Stskeeps | is there corruption on extras devel or something? |
| 20:16.39 | Stskeeps | two people saying size mismatch errors today |
| 20:16.43 | GAN800 | I hear X-Fade is taking kick-backs. |
| 20:16.59 | crashanddie | Btw, is git in extras? |
| 20:17.09 | crashanddie | I saw it in builder, but can't find it with apt-cache |
| 20:17.09 | lcuk | can i play Diablo 3 on my n810, someone said it had been released |
| 20:17.12 | RST38h | Railroad Porn: http://englishrussia.com/?p=2081 (no those steam engines are not natural) |
| 20:17.21 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, no, I think it's just packager failures. |
| 20:18.12 | mikkov_ | git is in extras-devel |
| 20:20.08 | lcuk | RST38h, my youngest loves trains, ive saved the link and will get him to tell me what each of them pics is ;) |
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| 20:20.40 | lcuk | had to draw James the otherday :| i'm crap at drawing |
| 20:20.46 | GAN800 | had a wooden train whistle as a kid. |
| 20:21.20 | lcuk | heh, jake has so much train stuff its unreal sometimes :) |
| 20:21.50 | RST38h | at least it is not 1:20 tonka trucks... |
| 20:22.25 | lcuk | indestructable :) |
| 20:23.04 | RST38h | which can't be said about the stuff they crash into |
| 20:23.33 | lcuk | i actually think tonka trucks will be the only thing left in the next great age. when future historians and archeologists dig up our fossils, they will think we were under 12 inches high and drove yellow trucks all day |
| 20:24.40 | lcuk | omg we are the friggin doozers |
| 20:25.53 | crashanddie | "I have found proof our ancestors lived with leprechauns and gnomes on a daily basis, our palaeontologist is pretty sure they even left a special room for them" |
| 20:26.39 | RST38h | I wonder what they will tell of iPods... |
| 20:27.24 | lcuk | "sir, this polished rock responds to touch. they must stroke them every day to ward of evil spirits." |
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| 20:28.08 | crashanddie | "It would appear that in this highly individualistic culture, people were so afraid to actually bond with unknown people, or even have a link with them, they would completely seal themselves off from the outside world. Xenophobia at its most extreme point" |
| 20:28.11 | lcuk | "john, thats a fozzilized turd" |
| 20:28.39 | crashanddie | "gary, that's a fossilised apple" |
| 20:29.10 | crashanddie | btw, any reason why flash 10 doesn't work on the NIT? |
| 20:29.22 | lcuk | probably same reason why svg doesnt |
| 20:29.22 | GAN800 | um |
| 20:29.34 | GAN800 | It hasn't been compiled for armel? |
| 20:29.43 | GAN800 | lcuk, no. |
| 20:30.01 | GAN800 | svg doesn't work because support wasn't included with MicroB |
| 20:30.18 | GAN800 | Save time, space, and effort. |
| 20:31.11 | lcuk | yes,yes,yes - i know - im the master of minimalistic approaches. |
| 20:31.31 | lcuk | (apart form having to code my way through the jungle and basically start from scratch that it) |
| 20:45.41 | RST38h | GAN: The actual explanation has probably been "ah, fuck it all" |
| 20:47.24 | GAN800 | RST38h, 'not enough time' and 'ah, fuck it all' aren't too different. |
| 20:47.51 | RST38h | well with flash 10 there could be a different explanation |
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| 20:48.06 | RST38h | as in "Adobe did not provide source code and/or support on time" |
| 20:48.35 | GAN800 | Not worth the effort for a platform that makes up only a very small portion of a percent of your userbase. |
| 20:48.56 | GAN800 | The Flash 10 code still sucks anyway. |
| 20:49.27 | GAN800 | Adobe provides the Flash plugin on the tablets. |
| 20:49.33 | GAN800 | Not Nokia |
| 20:49.53 | ldrn | Did Nokia pay adobe to do it? |
| 20:50.25 | GAN800 | Yes, same situation as Opera. |
| 20:51.27 | ldrn | Maybe Adobe is just taking their time. :) |
| 20:51.54 | GAN800 | The code's not in a state for shipping anyway. |
| 20:52.20 | GAN800 | and there's no point wasting the time to include such a small platform in your testing. |
| 20:52.28 | crashanddie | indeed |
| 20:53.00 | crashanddie | would just add a shitload of features, considering the flash version shipped with diablo completely killed all the audio/video input capabilities (which were already fairly non-existent) |
| 20:53.05 | ldrn | Not until after you get the bugs ironed out in all the big platforms anyway. |
| 20:57.55 | RST38h | Adobe is supposed to give Flash code for free to developers |
| 20:58.21 | RST38h | It has been proclaimed to be "open source" some time ago but I do not think that anybody has got it since then |
| 20:58.34 | MangoFusion | i thought that was flex? |
| 20:59.06 | RST38h | don't remember the exact details, just remember that flash player has been "open sourced" whatever adobe meant by that |
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| 22:13.04 | ldrn | Huh. It suddenly became impossible to turn bluetooth on. I can't connect to my phone or turn it on manually... anyone ever had this happen to them before? :( |
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| 22:17.57 | pupnik810 | hi ho! |
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| 22:19.20 | pupnik810 | wish the wlan icon would show signal |
| 22:19.24 | pupnik810 | strength |
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| 22:22.32 | pupnik810 | hi lcuk! |
| 22:22.52 | lcuk | hi there pupnik |
| 22:23.08 | lcuk | hows it goin |
| 22:23.10 | pupnik810 | i just drove 1.5 hours w.o. gps lock :| |
| 22:23.39 | pupnik810 | how u? |
| 22:23.44 | lcuk | well thats what you get for driving into a mining tunnel |
| 22:23.55 | lcuk | they are good i think |
| 22:24.10 | lcuk | just watched latest terminator and looking forward to reading new nive nbook |
| 22:24.21 | pupnik810 | hope n9x0 has much better gps |
| 22:24.36 | pupnik810 | niven who wrote ringworld? |
| 22:24.42 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:24.55 | lcuk | and about 10zillion other stories :) |
| 22:25.45 | lcuk | latest book is about the homeworlds of the piersons puppeteers |
| 22:26.28 | pupnik810 | did you see how much vgba sped-up with fb0? |
| 22:26.58 | lcuk | no, but i think i need to have a looksie - ive had my head up my arse about liqbase for a while ;) |
| 22:28.20 | pupnik810 | ah - it changes fps from painful nto happy |
| 22:28.46 | lcuk | excellent, performance is key to a happy experience |
| 22:29.13 | pupnik810 | yes! |
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| 22:29.36 | lcuk | can you give my 810 a link |
| 22:29.49 | pupnik810 | <- just pre-ordered a pandora |
| 22:30.04 | pupnik810 | it should be in extras afaik |
| 22:30.06 | lcuk | nice |
| 22:31.04 | lcuk | do i need game files or are there some there |
| 22:31.26 | pupnik810 | files |
| 22:32.33 | lcuk | pffft, cant we force a GBA game into the memory slot ;) |
| 22:41.45 | mouser- | Is there a way to increase the size of the top panel/notification area in Diablo to fit more icons? |
| 22:42.31 | mavhc | or make the icons thinner? |
| 22:42.56 | mavhc | lcuk: probably build an adapter |
| 22:44.14 | lcuk | mavhc, wouldnt be practical and would get nintendo lawyers on your arse |
| 22:44.20 | mouser- | mavhc: That would work too. |
| 22:44.58 | lcuk | mouser-, i dont think theres a perfect way, but tell me what icons you actually have - somethings can be combined or replacements found |
| 22:45.21 | lcuk | ie advanced brightness is a single icon that deals with brightness and volume |
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| 22:52.30 | mouser- | lcuk: Pidgin, loadapplet, statusbarclock, connection, BT, GPS, Alarm, Presence, PC Connection, Last.fm. |
| 22:52.58 | lcuk | heh, would they even fit if you had the entire space? |
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| 22:53.24 | lcuk | contact nokia and ask them to add an extension on the side - make the first 80 pixels 4096 pixels wide |
| 22:54.16 | mouser- | lcuk: Probably not. Taking out the lesser used ones, leaves me with advanced brightness, pidgin, loadapplet, statusbarclock, connection, BT, Presence. |
| 22:55.39 | lcuk | i see your problem..just stay offline and dont have bt enabled and you wont need most :P |
| 22:59.05 | mouser- | lcuk: Have they fixed the built-in chat to use AIM/ICQ, Yahoo, MSN yet for Diablo? I tried it in Chinook but I couldn't see any online contacts (there were some). I'd prefer not going through Jabber as a proxy to use the rest, as it simply does not seem secure. |
| 22:59.31 | lcuk | im ashamed to say i dont use my NIT for internet things very often |
| 22:59.44 | mouser- | lcuk: What do you use it for? |
| 22:59.49 | lcuk | ive certainly never configured any of the IM or email services |
| 22:59.59 | lcuk | making pretty things that i like to touch :) |
| 23:01.02 | lcuk | mouser-, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuY_fglmD8 |
| 23:01.23 | lcuk | not the best video, but it will give you an idea |
| 23:01.52 | robink | Both my browsers like to crash. |
| 23:03.47 | mouser- | lcuk: I was wondering what program that was when I was looking at the Summit pictures. I'll give it a try...though I really need to get this running in dual-boot so I don't keep running out of space for programs and things. |
| 23:04.16 | lcuk | mouser-, yeah - which pictures have you seen by the way, and have you managed to find any videos of it yet |
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| 23:06.16 | mouser- | lcuk: Just browsing the flickr public pool. Do you need a link? |
| 23:06.59 | lcuk | no, ive seen the flickr set :) its great tim put a load up - ive been able to recognise people, but theres a load of faces i cannot remember |
| 23:07.18 | lcuk | is upgrading liqbase so this never happens again |
| 23:12.43 | mouser- | lcuk: Libqbase looks great! Once it's a little more stable, It will probably replace Maemopad+ for note taking for me. |
| 23:13.08 | lcuk | its never been unstable for note taking, as you see i have months worth of data stored |
| 23:13.40 | lcuk | its even starting to escape my little tablet |
| 23:13.40 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php |
| 23:13.48 | mouser- | lcuk: Does it support text input as well? |
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| 23:14.09 | mouser- | Stupid question, probably. |
| 23:14.54 | lcuk | not at present - it used to allow me to specify a typed keyword, but that was removed as part of an upgrade. i expect it to fully support notes attached to every sketch (or standalone) in the near future |
| 23:15.07 | lcuk | and displayed inline with sketches to keep context where necessary |
| 23:31.48 | lcuk_afk | gnite chan |
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