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| 00:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | When are all the awesome new battery technologies people keep talking about actually gonna hit the market. . . . |
| 00:02.31 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, when consumers start buying things based on battery life |
| 00:02.51 | KotCzarny | or when electricity starts costing x10 |
| 00:02.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:02.56 | derf | johnx_: That will never happen. |
| 00:03.08 | GeneralAntilles | You don't think a 10-hour Core 2 Duo laptop wouldn't sell like hotcakes? |
| 00:03.12 | derf | It's impossible for consumers to have any real idea what something's battery life is without having already bought it. |
| 00:03.18 | KotCzarny | derf, btw. have you seen that 16gb microsd? :P |
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| 00:03.24 | derf | Because everyone lies. |
| 00:03.28 | derf | KotCzarny: No. |
| 00:03.32 | KotCzarny | it was real |
| 00:03.38 | KotCzarny | sandisk announced it few days ago |
| 00:03.46 | KotCzarny | available through few stores only |
| 00:03.52 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, I think a cheaper 3 hour one will sell more |
| 00:03.52 | KotCzarny | bestbuy and something |
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| 00:04.09 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, because one already exists. it's called a lenovo x200 w/ 9cell |
| 00:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | New battery tech, no bigger batteries. :P |
| 00:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | s/no/not/ |
| 00:04.42 | derf | The fact that Li-ion batteries degrade substantially within a year doesn't help sell things by battery life, either. |
| 00:04.55 | KotCzarny | no they don't if you store them right |
| 00:05.01 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, and it will be more expensive...just like bigger batteries, and people will buy cheap crap instead |
| 00:05.07 | johnx_ | actually I think it has something to do with most people not imagining their own use cases very well |
| 00:05.09 | derf | KotCzarny: You mean, no they don't if you don't _use_ them. |
| 00:05.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:05.16 | derf | Which kind of defeats the point. |
| 00:05.21 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:05.22 | KotCzarny | well, yeah |
| 00:05.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:05.34 | KotCzarny | nimh don't degrade |
| 00:05.35 | GeneralAntilles | The statusbar packages seem to be following two naming schemes |
| 00:05.37 | derf | I don't care what the life of my battery is while it's in a box. |
| 00:05.46 | GeneralAntilles | osso-statusbar-blah or hildon-status-bar-blah |
| 00:11.04 | derf | KotCzarny: Sure they do. But at least it takes a thousand discharge cycles or so. |
| 00:11.23 | derf | But they're energy density sucks. |
| 00:11.25 | derf | *their |
| 00:11.39 | KotCzarny | well, i though you were talking about 100% charge storage |
| 00:11.51 | KotCzarny | which would affect 5-30% of battery capacity yearly |
| 00:11.56 | KotCzarny | in li-ion |
| 00:12.21 | KotCzarny | and sitting in idle device also counts as (nearly) idle storage |
| 00:12.33 | derf | No, I'm talking about the fact that after a year, a battery that used to last 6 hours fully charged lasts 2. |
| 00:13.09 | KotCzarny | at least we have rechargeables |
| 00:13.28 | derf | Yeah, I'll grant you it's better than trying to use alkaline for everything. |
| 00:13.50 | KotCzarny | or lithium cells |
| 00:13.59 | derf | But Li-ion is just a tad more expensive, too. |
| 00:13.59 | KotCzarny | which also seems to be popular |
| 00:14.14 | KotCzarny | in their lifetime? |
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| 02:21.37 | malikul | hey guys I have a program that is being run by init.d at run level 2. the program is being called by su users -c "program". When the program is run the power button no longer works. Any idea why. btw the program is calling dbus |
| 02:25.11 | malikul | could it be possible that the dbus entry is entering at too low of a level and the device is locking? cause the daemon for the power button is running correctly and the dbus msg's are being passed |
| 02:35.51 | malikul | no one? |
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| 03:59.12 | Komzpa | how could I compress my GPRS traffic? |
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| 05:13.35 | Tann | Hey. Anyone there? |
| 05:13.40 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 05:14.30 | Tann | I'm trying to find an Instant Messneger like pidgin, but more light weight for my n800. Anyone know of one thats abailable? (And If it could be closed to the system tray, that would be great) |
| 05:14.46 | GeneralAntilles | Just use the built-in one? |
| 05:15.14 | KotCzarny | instant messengor to what network? |
| 05:15.21 | KotCzarny | *which |
| 05:15.30 | KotCzarny | because there are a few |
| 05:15.33 | Tann | AIM MSN Yahoo and IRC |
| 05:15.37 | Tann | preferably |
| 05:15.52 | KotCzarny | how do you like ncurses clients? |
| 05:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | Tann, just install the rtcomm beta. |
| 05:17.35 | Tann | ok. I'll look at it |
| 05:17.36 | Tann | thanks |
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| 05:36.27 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 05:49.24 | Tann | GeneralAntilles: I can't install it because It can't find a new enough version of libpurple0 and telepathy. Any help? |
| 05:50.07 | acydlord_aao | i havent had any luck with rtcomm beta, i just installed all the telepathy packages |
| 05:54.05 | GeneralAntilles | Grab the Collabora repo. |
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| 05:57.52 | Macer | hm |
| 05:58.02 | Macer | i got the bt keyboard working... stil have to get the bt dun to work :) |
| 05:58.39 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 05:58.58 | Macer | Stskeeps |
| 05:59.08 | Macer | for the bt keyboard... do i have to set up a cron for it or smethign? |
| 05:59.16 | Macer | doesn't seem to reconnect when i turn it off and back on by itself |
| 05:59.21 | Stskeeps | no clue, what do you have to do for it? |
| 05:59.32 | Macer | had to manually edit the bluez config files |
| 05:59.43 | Macer | add the keyboard mac and run hidd --search to initialize it |
| 05:59.57 | Macer | i just followed the debian howto .. but it doesn't say anything about making it automatically reconnecting |
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| 06:00.02 | Macer | it says it should just with what i did |
| 06:00.08 | Stskeeps | you're welcome to find a good way for it, this is new territory ;) |
| 06:00.12 | Macer | heh |
| 06:00.17 | Macer | well.. i have to get the dun working first |
| 06:00.28 | Macer | for now i'll just manually start it up until i get the dun working |
| 06:00.40 | Macer | keyboard is low priority as long as it works ;) |
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| 06:01.29 | Macer | i'm pretty sure the dun should just work with the script you have.. i just had to set up bluez to allow the dun and i already bonded the n800 and the phone |
| 06:01.48 | Macer | i guess the kb doesn't automatically request a connection from the n800 |
| 06:02.15 | Macer | i'm sure it's just a bluez option i have to change :) like maybe set up the kb as the master instead of the n800? |
| 06:02.20 | Macer | blah. i'll figure it out later |
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| 06:27.22 | Macer | well |
| 06:27.27 | Macer | going to try out this dun now |
| 06:28.00 | Macer | well.. never mind |
| 06:28.04 | Macer | i think i have to do more bt setup for it |
| 06:28.07 | Macer | wow this is a pain :) |
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| 06:31.00 | Macer | ah well... i need to go do stuff anyways.. i'll work on it more tomorrow.. Stskeeps ... i'll set up the vhost tomorrow to. I have like 3TB left on it so that should be enough. |
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| 07:11.19 | aquatix | morning all |
| 07:11.31 | solmumaha | morning |
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| 09:06.54 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:07.14 | Stskeeps | morn' |
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| 09:39.17 | thux | hi, what are maemo runlevels? |
| 09:39.43 | KotCzarny | off, idle, crashing |
| 09:40.17 | thux | reboot loop also |
| 09:40.43 | KotCzarny | yeah, but it's subnode of crashing |
| 09:40.59 | thux | hehe |
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| 09:51.30 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
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| 10:18.16 | MangoFusion | hmm, if i disable the watchguard reset, my tablet shouldn't restart by itself, right? |
| 10:19.26 | johnx_ | right |
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| 10:19.59 | MangoFusion | oddly enough it is |
| 10:20.04 | MangoFusion | maybe i missed something |
| 10:20.20 | johnx_ | does it show the r&d screen when you boot up? |
| 10:20.40 | MangoFusion | i should note i am trying to compile some code on it (which compiled before) |
| 10:20.52 | johnx_ | could be the OOM killer? |
| 10:20.54 | MangoFusion | its got the funny tablet with a spanner icon |
| 10:21.29 | MangoFusion | maybe i should turn h |
| 10:21.31 | MangoFusion | the swap on |
| 10:21.36 | johnx_ | that might help |
| 10:23.39 | MangoFusion | ok, attempt #102 |
| 10:23.51 | MangoFusion | :D |
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| 10:40.58 | lishevita | hi guys... I'm trying to install scratchbox, but it looks like scratchbox.org is down. |
| 10:41.54 | lishevita | There's no response on ping, and when trying to run the maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.1.sh it gets stopped in its tracks when it starts trying to get the packages from scratchbox.org |
| 10:42.35 | lishevita | Is this a known thing? Is there another place to get the diablo scratchbox? Or is someone fixing the scratchbox.org server problem? |
| 10:43.41 | X-Fade | lishevita: It works for me? |
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| 10:44.21 | lishevita | ok... NOW it works. |
| 10:44.33 | lishevita | All I had to do was come to irc, apparently. :-p |
| 10:45.20 | lishevita | thanks, X-Fade |
| 10:45.28 | ToyKeeper | That's just how it works. It won't work until you complain in public. :) |
| 10:45.34 | X-Fade | lishevita: Well, I did nothing. :) |
| 10:45.50 | lishevita | Yeah, but, you know, you checked and didn't ignore my sorry bee-hind. |
| 10:46.39 | X-Fade | lishevita: Well, I could actually get it fixed if it were broken. So it is in my interest field ;) |
| 10:48.31 | lishevita | ToyKeeper: yeah, my bleeding ego wants to paste the 100% packet loss response from my terminal window to show I'm not a ditz, but my netiquette is better than that. :) |
| 10:48.48 | lishevita | All is well that ends well, I've got it loading now. |
| 10:49.14 | ToyKeeper | Oh, I have the same problem all the time. I just have to ask in public and then either I figure out an answer, or whatever was broken starts working. |
| 10:51.34 | lishevita | X-Fade: eeks! It's giving me the error again all of a sudden: Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo4-sdk/main/binary-i386/scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc_1.0.8_i386.deb Could not connect to scratchbox.org:80 (62.61.85.37). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 10:53.34 | X-Fade | lishevita: Works for me too? |
| 10:54.31 | liri | does canola automatically downloads cover arts? |
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| 10:57.31 | X-Fade | lishevita: It seems that work is going on on that server, so that can explain it. |
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| 11:09.38 | lishevita | X-Fade ah-ha. i'll chill a bit, then |
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| 11:18.14 | ToyKeeper | There... finally remembered to send in a fitaly layout. |
| 11:27.08 | MangoFusion | woo, finally compiled |
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| 11:35.25 | GAN800 | _marcell_, ping. |
| 11:35.37 | _marcell_ | GAN800: pong |
| 11:36.02 | GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, can you ponder a bit on the possibility of having a non-free section in the tableteer update repo? |
| 11:36.54 | _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: do you mean like separating the updates to free and non-free? |
| 11:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I think we can leave the primary part that SSU uses alone (leave all packages in there), but a separate section with just non-free stuff would be useful. |
| 11:39.05 | _marcell_ | ok, so it should contain a subset of the updates section, right? |
| 11:39.10 | GeneralAntilles | Exactly |
| 11:39.25 | GeneralAntilles | diablo-2/non-free sort of deal |
| 11:39.42 | GeneralAntilles | (or whatever scheme is appropriate and convenient) |
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| 11:40.47 | _marcell_ | ok, I personally do not see any problems with that. But I will have to push through the idea. Could you tell me a bit more on the why part? |
| 11:41.39 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: seems like a good reaction from qqil |
| 11:41.49 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_Community_distribution |
| 11:42.22 | GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, the free stuff we'll be able to redistribute separately, but the non-free stuff we (of course) can't. |
| 11:42.54 | GeneralAntilles | We could just fetch it from the regular update repo, but that means users will be exposed to the Nokia updates before the community has time to react to a new push. |
| 11:43.14 | GeneralAntilles | So users in Red Pill or using apt-get could end up in a bad situation. |
| 11:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | So it'd be preferable to use a tableteer repo which only has non-free components, so users aren't exposed to so many potentially problem-causing packages when an update is first pushed. |
| 11:44.24 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, he of all people is the type to be positive about that sort of stuff. ;) |
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| 11:45.51 | _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: ok, I got it. I will spread the message and I will use the discussion on the wiki page if I will have something to say |
| 11:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, thanks! |
| 11:49.28 | Stskeeps | "I'm using iodine in an airport, so I won't include a link," |
| 11:49.32 | Stskeeps | tablet users in a nutshell |
| 11:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:49.43 | Stskeeps | i should really install that though |
| 11:51.33 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/non-free/stlc45xx-cal/debian/postinst <- i'm definately going to hell |
| 11:51.44 | Stskeeps | (i would honestly say that's a fair way to include stlc45xx-cal in a dist.) |
| 11:52.25 | TudorGoia | hi! does someone have any idea about a certain - Unable to find include file: "keybindings.rc" - error when trying to run applications like pdf-viewer or marbles in the emulator? |
| 11:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 12:00.07 | cuse | Hi! I need the cups clien on the Nokia. Is there probably an unofficial APT repository where i can download cups packages for diablo? |
| 12:00.42 | MaceN800 | hm |
| 12:01.04 | Mace` | someone gave me an older amd64 box |
| 12:01.12 | Mace` | it's like a socket 754 :) |
| 12:02.02 | woglinde | cuse set uop sratchbox and try to compile the debian package |
| 12:02.06 | woglinde | or ubuntu |
| 12:02.29 | Mace` | cuse |
| 12:02.37 | cuse | woglinde: ah you mean to grab the cups source package from the official debian APT repo? |
| 12:02.38 | Mace` | they have cups for an n800 out there already |
| 12:03.02 | Mace` | but most maemo apps don't support it. penguinbait has made a kde install which also has cups |
| 12:03.12 | Mace` | i have used it with open office in kde and printed fine on my brother laser |
| 12:03.41 | Mace` | i am sorry i dont have a link for it... i am working on making my n800 web site but it probably won't be up for a while |
| 12:04.22 | Mace` | but i know for an absolute fact there is a cups distro out there.. it takes up a lot of space though so you should boot off an sd to install it... i was only able to install it on the flash with the bare minimum on it |
| 12:04.55 | Mace` | distro wouldn't be the right word for it but you know what i'm talkinga bout.. it is a deb |
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| 12:15.55 | woglinde | Mace the tcp/ip client shouldn't waste so much space |
| 12:16.08 | woglinde | for cups working you do not need a working local server |
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| 12:28.46 | jott | cuse: i pushed cups into extras-devel |
| 12:29.56 | cuse | jott: ah, what would the source.list line be? |
| 12:29.58 | woglinde | jott hehe |
| 12:30.13 | woglinde | jott with tcp/ip client in own package? |
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| 12:30.38 | jott | woglinde: just the debian split build |
| 12:30.41 | jott | cuse: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ diablo free non-free |
| 12:30.45 | jott | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/c/cups/ |
| 12:30.48 | cuse | jott: thanks! |
| 12:30.53 | woglinde | jott ah yes thats okay |
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| 12:50.30 | fijal | hello |
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| 12:50.41 | fijal | I want to build python-sdk and it breaks |
| 12:51.01 | fijal | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/86817/ |
| 12:51.04 | fijal | this is a traceback |
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| 12:53.14 | johnx_ | does the file get downloaded correctly? |
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| 12:54.05 | fijal | no, I get 404 |
| 12:54.47 | fijal | (this .tar.gz file contains HTML document with 404 in it) |
| 12:55.25 | johnx_ | well, that's a start |
| 12:55.42 | fijal | yes, fixing URL sounds like a scenario... |
| 12:55.59 | fijal | it moved to subdirectory old/ |
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| 13:00.08 | fijal | it should check HTTP response code anyway... |
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| 13:04.46 | johnx_ | probably, but error checking everything you do in a script will easily double the size... |
| 13:04.59 | fijal | well, good |
| 13:05.20 | Stskeeps | johnx_: saw my postinst from hell? |
| 13:05.57 | johnx_ | not yet, looking at hildon-desktop in debian again though :) |
| 13:06.02 | Stskeeps | hehe, alright |
| 13:06.08 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/non-free/stlc45xx-cal/debian/postinst ;) |
| 13:06.39 | ccooke | johnx_: Nah, you just wrap all your calls in generic functions that do the error checking for you... or in a wrapper class... |
| 13:07.06 | johnx_ | ccooke, then have your script for downloading and extracting files depend on 20MB worth of libaries? |
| 13:07.07 | fijal | I get /usr/bin/fakeroot: 166: debian/rules: Permission denied |
| 13:07.09 | fijal | what's that? |
| 13:07.36 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, that's some skeery stuff |
| 13:08.01 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, I'm sure the postinst that installs Microsoft's webfonts is just as bad though... |
| 13:08.23 | Stskeeps | johnx_: yup, but it works and is honestly a fair way to get the stlc45xx-cal binary, with license agreement and all :P |
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| 13:09.11 | ccooke | johnx_: um. If it takes you more than a couple of K to write a wrapper script, you really should step back for a second and think about what sort of drugs you're on ;-) |
| 13:10.29 | johnx_ | ccooke, I guess I misunderstood you... |
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| 13:12.06 | fijal | johnx_: any idea? |
| 13:12.26 | cuse | jott: seems that cups-client package depends on "adduser", but there is no such package |
| 13:12.28 | johnx_ | fijal, ls -l debian/rules |
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| 13:13.01 | fijal | -rw-r--r-- 1 fijal fijal 6987 2008-10-02 15:03 python2.5-2.5.2/debian/rules |
| 13:13.03 | fijal | looks good |
| 13:13.22 | johnx_ | should it be executable? |
| 13:13.33 | fijal | no idea |
| 13:13.48 | fijal | probably |
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| 13:13.55 | fijal | but hey, it's the way it was in .tar.gz |
| 13:13.57 | johnx_ | I remember being able to ./debian/rules in the past |
| 13:14.03 | johnx_ | shrugs |
| 13:14.17 | xorAxAx | no, it shouldnt |
| 13:14.25 | fijal | helps |
| 13:14.35 | jott | cuse: eek. |
| 13:14.43 | Mek | I have an adduser package in my own repo.... |
| 13:14.54 | jott | Mek: push it in extras-devel :P |
| 13:15.33 | Mek | hmm... yeah... I should probably do that... no idea why I didn't... |
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| 13:16.48 | cuse | Mek: hmmm ... when would that package be available? |
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| 13:17.39 | Mek | cuse: you can either get it from http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo/binary/adduser_3.102maemo1_all.deb or wait for it to be in extras-devel |
| 13:19.45 | cuse | Mek: i pulled your deb file already, thanks! :) |
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| 13:22.22 | Stskeeps | johnx_: debian/rules is a Makefile script (look at header) |
| 13:22.30 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:22.36 | Stskeeps | i do that in my fancy new installer |
| 13:23.10 | johnx_ | right, that's what I thought |
| 13:23.38 | fijal | johnx_: I'm confused. you need to run this build (create_tree.py etc.) actually inside scratchbox to get things working? |
| 13:24.20 | johnx_ | fijal, I'm still not sure exactly what you're doing... Are you following some guide? |
| 13:24.34 | fijal | this one |
| 13:24.36 | fijal | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Building PyMaemo SDK&id=40&type=g |
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| 13:26.17 | cuse | jott: got the next one: cups-bsd: Depends: update-inetd but it is not installable |
| 13:26.22 | Stskeeps | ponders idly the consequences of dmsetup and dm-*.o on tablets |
| 13:27.13 | Stskeeps | dm-snapshot looks interesting.. :P |
| 13:28.31 | cuse | actually i only need the classical simple lpr, not the whole cups stuff, is there no lpr package for meamo? which doesnt depend on thousand other packages that dont exist ;) |
| 13:29.53 | jott | cuse: yeah well just used/tested the "libs" part :P |
| 13:30.17 | cuse | jott: mmm great :) |
| 13:30.34 | jott | cuse: feel free to improve it :) |
| 13:30.38 | Stskeeps | johnx_: think stuff like LVM snapshots pre apt-get dist-upgrade could be interesting if things fuck up? |
| 13:30.49 | Stskeeps | that would rock for SD-installs of maemo, as well |
| 13:30.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:31.10 | johnx_ | I suppose so. I always got by with rsync, but go for it. :D |
| 13:31.32 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:32.15 | Stskeeps | http://linuxgazette.net/114/kapil.html <- seems like you can do a lot of funky stuff |
| 13:32.18 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, we need an application to create a backup image of the current install and either send it to a computer or one of the cards. |
| 13:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | Then have a "Recover backup image" option in the graphical recovery bootmenu. |
| 13:32.43 | hrw | does yours n8x0 with 36-5 diablo show samba shares in filemanager? |
| 13:32.59 | X-Fade | hrw: Yes. |
| 13:33.01 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: do it like norton ghost.. set a flag in initfs, reboot into initfs, initfs notices a command to backup the system, dumps to mtd |
| 13:33.12 | hrw | X-Fade: thx. mine does not ;( |
| 13:33.15 | johnx_ | fijal, I would say yes, inside scratchbox...but why do you need to build the SDK from scratch? |
| 13:33.23 | fijal | johnx_: for fun |
| 13:33.42 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: dumps mtd to sd i mean |
| 13:34.03 | fijal | johnx_: to learn how to invoke cross compilation |
| 13:34.25 | Stskeeps | fijal: i tried sb+pypy atleast..it was a nightmare |
| 13:34.33 | Stskeeps | i ended up cc'ing part of it on sbrsh |
| 13:34.35 | Stskeeps | more stable |
| 13:34.51 | johnx_ | fijal, the whole point of scratchbox is to make cross compiling transparent...not the best place to learn about vanilla cross compiles |
| 13:35.08 | fijal | Stskeeps: what do you mean exactly? |
| 13:35.16 | fijal | running pypy inside scratchbox, compiling it or what? |
| 13:35.31 | fijal | johnx_: right |
| 13:35.35 | Stskeeps | using scratchbox, but instead of using qemu-arm, use a tablet for some of the emulation stuff |
| 13:35.45 | Stskeeps | using sbrsh |
| 13:35.50 | fijal | Stskeeps: did you use --platform=maemo as a compilation option? |
| 13:36.02 | fijal | (or how recent you tried it) |
| 13:36.16 | Stskeeps | fijal: this was back in may before you even thought about maemo stuff :) |
| 13:36.30 | fijal | johnx_: I need to be very very careful with paths then |
| 13:36.35 | fijal | Stskeeps: ok :-) |
| 13:36.35 | Stskeeps | (i have an interest in pypy-stackless, so) |
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| 13:36.57 | fijal | Stskeeps: kind of works now (using scratchbox). There are still issues to solve though |
| 13:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | ~seen twaelti |
| 13:36.59 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: i haven't seen 'twaelti' |
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| 14:04.51 | RST38h | The Vesta, described by Northrop as "a laser weapon that utilizes push-buttons for easy operation", has been delivered to the air force research laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate (DED) raygun shop. |
| 14:05.05 | RST38h | push-buttons..yeaaahh! |
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| 14:07.20 | lopz | hola |
| 14:08.57 | fijal | hola |
| 14:09.38 | aquatix | RST38h: /me imagines a joypad attached to a big laser |
| 14:11.38 | RST38h | aquatix: an atari joystick |
| 14:11.50 | aquatix | yeah :) |
| 14:11.58 | aquatix | exactly what i was thinking |
| 14:14.13 | RST38h | and 15kW is hardly enough |
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| 14:15.48 | aquatix | feh, my adjusted laser pointer does that already |
| 14:16.53 | liri | those sandisk 8gb micro sdhc should work on the n810 right? |
| 14:17.32 | aquatix | has one here yeah |
| 14:17.39 | RST38h | yes but use the micro-to-mini adapter from a plain micro sd card |
| 14:17.43 | aquatix | you need an adapter though |
| 14:17.58 | RST38h | just buy a 1GB sandisk microsd and use its adapter |
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| 14:18.22 | liri | I've got a micro to mini adapter already, it's a general one I picked off of dealextreme.com |
| 14:18.50 | aquatix | ah, just wanted to post a dealextreme link here :) |
| 14:18.55 | aquatix | has those too |
| 14:18.57 | aquatix | work fine |
| 14:19.55 | liri | cool |
| 14:19.57 | liri | that's nice to know |
| 14:20.07 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:20.15 | aquatix | wants a 16 or 32GB microsd |
| 14:20.21 | aquatix | all in due time though |
| 14:20.38 | liri | yep |
| 14:21.19 | liri | I'm running an update to the cover arts in canola 2 beta but for some reason I don't see a music album updated... I'm guessing there's something I'm missing |
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| 14:30.04 | RST38h | wanrs a raygun |
| 14:30.20 | woglinde | we only have needle gun |
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| 14:30.27 | RST38h | [but all he is gonna get will be a shitty 32GB microSD] |
| 14:30.42 | aquatix | has a Nerf gun |
| 14:32.01 | liri | ahhh... an Os2008 feature upgrade of 33mb in size, nice. Will that screw my boot loader again? (I'm booting from internal 1gb sd card) |
| 14:32.25 | qwerty12 | yes. |
| 14:32.27 | woglinde | RST38h why a32gb? |
| 14:33.48 | liri | qwerty12: ough, I don't remember how I recovered last time |
| 14:33.58 | RST38h | what? |
| 14:34.14 | qwerty12 | liri: reinstalling bootmenu after you have upgraded both flash and sd :P |
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| 14:34.22 | RST38h | ah, 'cause it has been on the list |
| 14:35.03 | liri | I think I use some tool to write the boot loader or something |
| 14:35.55 | liri | oh yeah, I used install-tools |
| 14:36.05 | lishevita | ok... 'night everyone! And good weekend! (Mine starts now. :) ) |
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| 14:37.00 | RST38h | qwerty: You were the one compiling EMUTools for the tablet? |
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| 14:40.32 | liri | there was a guide on the use of install-tools, does anyone still have the url for that? |
| 14:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Just install fanoush's bootmenu. |
| 14:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd |
| 14:40.58 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 14:42.15 | qwerty12 | RST38h: I will be soon |
| 14:42.31 | qwerty12 | read: trying to |
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| 14:44.53 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, just, fyi, there have been more than a few nokia.com bugs handled through bugzilla. . . . |
| 14:45.17 | RST38h | qwerty: Should I just compile 'em and place them into extras? |
| 14:45.40 | RST38h | I mean, probably not all of them, but at least bdiff, behead, verifiers, and disassemblers? |
| 14:45.42 | qwerty12 | RST38h: That would be appreciated :) |
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| 14:45.57 | qwerty12 | The tool to fix checksums would be nice |
| 14:46.00 | RST38h | all righty, shouldn't be too difficult |
| 14:46.08 | RST38h | verifiers will do it for you |
| 14:46.37 | GeneralAntilles | andre___, take http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3067 and http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3066 for instance. |
| 14:46.57 | RST38h | has been trying to emulate 65816 lately |
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| 14:58.33 | hrw | 65816... nice cpu it was |
| 14:59.26 | RST38h | really evil abomination |
| 14:59.37 | RST38h | but will probably run fast enough, faster than arm anyway |
| 14:59.58 | RST38h | Ok, where do command line utils go in terms of App Manager categories? user/tools? |
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| 15:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say tools |
| 15:02.44 | ||cw | I'd say depends on what it does... if it's a text based console game, it goes under games :) |
| 15:03.11 | ||cw | lynx would go under internet |
| 15:04.20 | qwerty12 | I'd say go with tools as it seems to be an assortment of tools. disassembler, game rom checksum verification etc |
| 15:04.33 | RST38h | 'aok |
| 15:04.44 | RST38h | to the tools it goes then |
| 15:06.56 | qwerty12 | goes and makes a nutella sandwich while he waits for webkit svn revision 37184 to compile. and yes, I do realise I could have had the entire tub of nutella by the time it finishes compiling. |
| 15:07.35 | woglinde | qwerty haha be lucky that you do not compile a complete qt4 |
| 15:07.44 | matrx | i'd expect lynx under internet myself, for those times when a full browser is too much too slow |
| 15:07.53 | RST38h | what is it about every Maemo addict compiling WebKit nowadays? |
| 15:08.13 | woglinde | RST38h hm its cool O guess |
| 15:08.16 | woglinde | ups I |
| 15:08.23 | qwerty12 | woglinde: lol, yeah, i saw webkit is part of the qt4 in extras now :D |
| 15:09.24 | woglinde | RST38h maybee the qt4 version is too old for someone |
| 15:10.24 | johnx_ | RST38h, it changes quickly |
| 15:11.19 | qwerty12 | RST38h: I'm doing it because I want to see how far Bundyo's Tear browser goes. The webkit in extras now is about 7000 svn revisions out of date. |
| 15:13.47 | RST38h | qwerty: Ah I knew it :)) |
| 15:14.01 | RST38h | johnx: It is all because of Bundyo :) |
| 15:14.23 | johnx_ | RST38h, I'm interested in his browser too :) |
| 15:14.31 | johnx_ | I still like midori though |
| 15:15.32 | GAN800 | Apparently the Midori guy is gonna work on a mobile version. |
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| 15:18.29 | johnx_ | not really required I would say |
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| 15:22.33 | jott | does it support finger scroll in the mean time? |
| 15:23.18 | johnx_ | ok, that would be nice :) |
| 15:25.59 | qwerty12 | sighs as he sees a rickroll adblock blacklist |
| 15:27.35 | qwerty12 | now knows why it exists. Fucking javascript >.< |
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| 15:40.15 | GAN800 | emjayes is really good at breaking shit. :/ |
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| 15:48.46 | andre___ | GeneralAntilles, ah, thanks. i'll ping quim to delegate that |
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| 16:07.17 | melmoth | heu... |
| 16:07.18 | melmoth | oups |
| 16:07.56 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, alright, time for me to check some stuff in at long last :) |
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| 16:09.00 | qwerty12 | 's hate of CDBS is increased when I'm compiling with -Os and -O2 >.< |
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| 16:22.56 | Stskeeps | johnx_: woo, like? |
| 16:23.21 | johnx_ | sawfish hacks to make hildon-input-method do mostly the right thing |
| 16:23.34 | Stskeeps | oki |
| 16:23.38 | johnx_ | it won't resize windows yet, but it will at least sit on top of them |
| 16:23.42 | Stskeeps | in dpkg-buildpackage'able format or? |
| 16:23.59 | johnx_ | errr...ok, maybe not quite uploadable yet :/ |
| 16:24.03 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:24.17 | Stskeeps | i loathe the things myself :P but it has showed to be a benefit when doing this stuff |
| 16:24.33 | johnx_ | yeah, it's definitely helpful in the long run |
| 16:24.54 | johnx_ | I was just using OE again and remembering how much I like it |
| 16:26.22 | Stskeeps | cos of building firmware imgs or? |
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| 16:26.56 | johnx_ | just for packaging |
| 16:26.57 | tuukkah | pity the nokia touchscreen phone doesn't run maemo ;-) |
| 16:28.23 | tuukkah | "best colour screen on the phone market" - easy to believe |
| 16:28.54 | Stskeeps | johnx_: dh_make and dch is good tools at least |
| 16:29.24 | johnx_ | I need to get comfortable with those... |
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| 16:30.49 | GAN800 | tuukah, I can't imagine the horrors carriers would commit against Maemo. |
| 16:31.22 | X-Fade | "No voip" :) |
| 16:31.50 | johnx_ | "no changes to core OS components" |
| 16:32.02 | johnx_ | "signed updates only...when we feel like it" |
| 16:32.28 | X-Fade | johnx_: Nah, it is just that carriers won't allow certain services on their network. |
| 16:32.28 | qwerty12 | can't help feeling that we'd get more hackers though. |
| 16:32.32 | tuukkah | you buy it unlocked without a contract of course |
| 16:33.07 | johnx_ | X-Fade, I'm just thinking about all those people with WinMo phones who are just now getting 6.1 :) |
| 16:33.22 | X-Fade | Hmm interesting to see all the new jobs @ maemo.org. |
| 16:33.52 | X-Fade | It seems Nokia is going to support java too. |
| 16:34.10 | X-Fade | https://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/1222954866.html |
| 16:34.13 | bef0rd | :o jobs? |
| 16:34.18 | johnx_ | I hope they can integrate it nicely... |
| 16:34.26 | X-Fade | Or shall that be for web services ;) |
| 16:34.45 | X-Fade | bef0rd: https://maemo.org/news/jobs/ and https://maemo.org/news/jobs/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_blog_index_page=2 |
| 16:35.00 | X-Fade | Or without the https ofcourse ;) |
| 16:35.45 | GAN800 | Somebody needs to inform them of the new branding. |
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| 16:36.52 | Stskeeps | johnx_: i usually just mkdir -p <package>-<version>, write a Makefile with all: clean: and install: into ${DESTDIR}, dh_make -c bsd -s -e your@email, rm debian/*.ex debian/*.EX, make sure to edit Section in debian/control, copy in my copyright file and at new updates, dch -i -m to make sure it has right new version and release :P |
| 16:37.25 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: why on earth does jobs/ require a maemo login? :P |
| 16:37.28 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, w00! thanks for the short version |
| 16:37.38 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, s/https/http/ |
| 16:37.41 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: It doesn't I was pasting the https. |
| 16:37.54 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i got a login page.. |
| 16:37.56 | Stskeeps | with ttps |
| 16:38.13 | Stskeeps | happened on some other docs before |
| 16:38.25 | GAN800 | lern2read |
| 16:39.07 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:39.38 | johnx_ | always good to see more UI designers being hired along with programmers |
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| 17:02.25 | melmoth | anybody fluent with glib timeout ? |
| 17:02.51 | melmoth | I do not underestand what happen when i try to add element to a GSList within a timeout: |
| 17:02.56 | melmoth | http://pastebin.com/m19695978 |
| 17:03.19 | melmoth | append works on non empty list. Prepend alwasy fail. Like if it was erasing the current head. |
| 17:05.04 | thux | johnx_: i did run aptitude dist-upgrade on your beta3 and it doesn't boot anymore? |
| 17:05.39 | johnx_ | thux, yeah...that probably replaced a lot of the custom packages I had setup with newer ones |
| 17:06.03 | johnx_ | thux, that's the reason that Stskeeps' deblet is better :) |
| 17:08.27 | thux | johnx_: but that doesn't install tried couple of times |
| 17:08.52 | thux | installer always quits after few hours |
| 17:09.05 | johnx_ | thux, you're better of working through the problems with installing deblet than investing more time in beta3 |
| 17:09.10 | johnx_ | what do you mean "quits"? |
| 17:09.16 | johnx_ | does it give an error message? |
| 17:09.32 | johnx_ | Does it lose its internet connection? |
| 17:09.53 | thux | no it leaves few packages unconfigured |
| 17:10.23 | johnx_ | if you can paste the message we can help you debug it...but it's difficult without knowing more |
| 17:10.40 | Stskeeps | thux: get the 2.3 installer, that works for sure these days :P |
| 17:10.48 | Stskeeps | the old installer which used the old system doesnt work anymore |
| 17:11.09 | thux | Stskeeps: where i can get it? |
| 17:11.38 | Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 17:11.44 | Stskeeps | make sure it installs a 2.* version |
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| 17:13.34 | thux | Stskeeps: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/deblet-diablo.install that one i have used |
| 17:15.29 | lcuk2 | winds up his internet |
| 17:15.40 | jott | melmoth: how is this supposed to be working? you just always pass a null pointer.... |
| 17:16.03 | qwerty12 | throws lcuk2 a router, I've got 3 now :P |
| 17:16.17 | jott | tightens lcuk2 sails |
| 17:16.18 | lcuk2 | excellent |
| 17:17.13 | lcuk2 | my sails are tight, and i felt a wind blowing today :) |
| 17:17.22 | lcuk2 | no, not because of curry |
| 17:19.17 | jott | the wind of change? :) |
| 17:19.46 | lcuk2 | :) |
| 17:21.55 | Sargun_Screen | how do you A) minimize the keyboard in osso-xterm B) how do you get the giant keyboard in xterm? |
| 17:22.34 | johnx_ | Sargun_Screen, there's a button on the keyboard to make it go away |
| 17:22.37 | johnx_ | button right corner |
| 17:22.59 | johnx_ | to get the giant keyboard, give a short, sharp jab with the flat of your thumb |
| 17:23.36 | qwerty12 | Or if non Diablo & on a N800, the button in the middle of the arrows |
| 17:23.41 | qwerty12 | s/arrows/dpad |
| 17:23.43 | Sargun_Screen | you want me to jab my tablet? |
| 17:23.57 | johnx_ | well, just press quickly with the flat of your thumb |
| 17:24.00 | Sargun_Screen | where do I jab it? |
| 17:24.08 | Stskeeps | thux: and make sure to use nit-env-lxde, that one i know works |
| 17:25.33 | Sargun_Screen | 'm dabbing my screen |
| 17:25.39 | Sargun_Screen | no keyboard |
| 17:25.40 | thux | Stskeeps: ok i tried your env |
| 17:26.04 | johnx_ | Sargun_Screen, you're doin' it wrong :) |
| 17:26.22 | johnx_ | Sargun_Screen, you're on the latest release, right? |
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| 17:26.31 | Sargun_Screen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.49 | Sargun_Screen | yes, I've made it show up a number of times by accident |
| 17:27.16 | johnx_ | Sargun_Screen, basically a hard, short press with the flat of your thumb makes it show up |
| 17:27.32 | johnx_ | parts of the screen can be less senstive than others so sometimes its difficult |
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| 17:27.45 | lcuk2 | has a tablet with no finger sensitivity at all |
| 17:27.50 | lcuk2 | it works with stylus though |
| 17:28.07 | johnx_ | lcuk2, you just have to be a little rough with it :P |
| 17:28.23 | Sargun_Screen | where do I jab it johnx_? |
| 17:28.33 | Sargun_Screen | I see my screen |
| 17:28.36 | lcuk2 | no johnx_ its dead in the whole central area - ive overstimulated it |
| 17:29.02 | lcuk2 | sargun, dont overjab but press firmly and normally on the actual text entry box |
| 17:29.05 | johnx_ | Sargun_Screen, I don't know. it's different for each screen |
| 17:29.22 | Sargun_Screen | you mean in the terminal area'? |
| 17:29.27 | johnx_ | yes |
| 17:29.43 | Sargun_Screen | it just highlights text then |
| 17:30.25 | johnx_ | press a little harder and a little faster |
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| 17:31.00 | Stskeeps | thux: and if you use clone-to-SD please read the http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23051 thread |
| 17:31.09 | Sargun_Screen | no matter how fast I hnit, it highlights |
| 17:31.12 | Sargun_Screen | :-( |
| 17:31.26 | johnx_ | Sargun_Screen, did you mess with the settings in control panel? |
| 17:31.36 | Sargun_Screen | johnx_: no |
| 17:31.54 | Sargun_Screen | As I said, I accidentally did it 5 minutes ago |
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| 17:32.13 | johnx_ | keep trying different areas of the screen |
| 17:32.19 | johnx_ | it takes a while to figure out what works |
| 17:33.28 | Sargun_Screen | also, how do I do handwriting? |
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| 17:35.03 | dick-richardson | with the maemo-control pkg and usb networking.. how does that work? usb to ethernet adapter? |
| 17:36.02 | johnx_ | usb networking usually means "emulating a network connection over a usb connection" |
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| 17:36.33 | dick-richardson | gotcha |
| 17:36.33 | johnx_ | so instead of it showing up to your desktop as a card reader, it shows up as another computer on the network |
| 17:37.17 | qwerty12 | is a fan of g_serial now. much less hassle. Though not as powerful as g_ether for sure |
| 17:37.31 | rm_you | jott: ping |
| 17:37.39 | johnx_ | hey rm_you :P |
| 17:37.44 | rm_you | hey johnx_ :) |
| 17:37.48 | jott | rm_you: pong! :) |
| 17:37.51 | rm_you | jott: :) |
| 17:38.08 | rm_you | jott: so do you think you'll be able to ship those posters? |
| 17:38.28 | Sargun_Screen | this is why I hate UIs |
| 17:38.45 | rm_you | I guess I would need to give you an address or something... |
| 17:38.52 | jott | rm_you: aah. sure. forgot about those. |
| 17:38.56 | rm_you | i did too |
| 17:38.59 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:39.10 | rm_you | been busy / away |
| 17:39.17 | jott | rm_you: please just write me a mail with postal address etc. |
| 17:39.31 | rm_you | k, will do :) |
| 17:40.03 | Sargun_Screen | bah, I had the kbd for a while |
| 17:40.26 | rm_you | gotta run tho, will do that in a bit |
| 17:40.37 | rm_you | hits EOF |
| 17:40.43 | johnx_ | 'later rm_you |
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| 17:42.34 | Sargun_Screen | bah |
| 17:43.21 | johnx_ | also, I've found that in my case my touchscreen gets less sensitive when the device is warm |
| 17:44.39 | X-Fade | johnx_: There(/that) must be a reason why there is a temp sensor in the touch screen. |
| 17:44.45 | rm_you | X-Fade: ping |
| 17:45.26 | johnx_ | X-Fade, it doesn't seem to be calibrated perfectly. in fact I think this is an ongoing battle to figure out one set of calibrations that will work across everyone's tablet |
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| 17:45.58 | X-Fade | rm_you: pong |
| 17:46.26 | slonopotamus | oh my |
| 17:46.44 | johnx_ | slonopotamus, hi :) |
| 17:47.01 | slonopotamus | launched xchat on tablet. looks working. |
| 17:47.02 | rm_you | X-Fade: anyway, just let me know |
| 17:47.15 | rm_you | X-Fade: err, you are getting my notices, yes? :P |
| 17:47.17 | slonopotamus | hi |
| 17:47.20 | johnx_ | slonopotamus, it appears so |
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| 17:47.41 | X-Fade | rm_you: Packetloss 100% |
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| 17:48.00 | slonopotamus | woops |
| 17:48.01 | rm_you | X-Fade: look on other tabs, they might show up random places |
| 17:48.06 | X-Fade | rm_you: Ah, yeah found them ;) |
| 17:48.14 | slonopotamus | accidentally closed channel tab |
| 17:48.33 | Stskeeps | thux: nit-env-stskeeps -will fail- to install |
| 17:48.35 | lcuk2 | johnx_, the resistance changes with temp |
| 17:48.36 | slonopotamus | thought that button will close tabs list |
| 17:48.40 | Stskeeps | didnt get it removed from the alpha yet |
| 17:48.41 | X-Fade | rm_you: Nah, thanks for asking. But that isn't needed. I'm sure I will get some one day ;) |
| 17:48.50 | X-Fade | rm_you: *offering |
| 17:49.02 | slonopotamus | woooow! it minimises to tray |
| 17:49.07 | thux | Stskeeps: ok thats i tried |
| 17:49.23 | johnx_ | lcuk2, for your situation running the poor thing at 100% utilization probably isn't helping sensitivity :P |
| 17:49.38 | thux | tried in 1gb cards and 2gb card |
| 17:50.05 | lcuk2 | johnx_, :) whats the point in a touchscreen if you cant use it. and another thing - it sits inside a wooden crate all day long so has no backside cooling |
| 17:50.15 | lcuk2 | i once left it charging with a book ontop |
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| 17:50.28 | rm_you | lcuk2: still need pics of your wooden thing :P |
| 17:51.04 | lcuk2 | http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg |
| 17:51.26 | lcuk2 | old one actually, its been upgraded since with high tech elasticband |
| 17:51.31 | MangoFusion | i think you should go into full production with it |
| 17:51.33 | lcuk2 | and space for power |
| 17:51.36 | rm_you | X-Fade: heh, srsly, it's just going to sit here, and i'll pay for the shipping :) you've helped me out enough that it's the least I can do |
| 17:52.20 | X-Fade | rm_you: You'd better spread the word on your side of the pond :) |
| 17:52.21 | lcuk2 | MangoFusion, my dads garage wouldnt cope and his patience with my craptastic skills would mean id be buried in the garden |
| 17:52.45 | X-Fade | rm_you: I'm pretty sure I will be at more Maemo events. ;) |
| 17:53.07 | slonopotamus | how would you compare pidgin to builtin client as jabber messenger? |
| 17:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I've got more plans for you. :P |
| 17:53.30 | rm_you | I may not be though, depending on where they are :P |
| 17:53.32 | rm_you | lol ok GA |
| 17:53.39 | X-Fade | Does anybody have an idea what blogger did to their feeds? It seems or planet doesn't pick those up anymore. |
| 17:53.40 | rm_you | I'll look forward to that :P |
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| 17:55.28 | rm_you | gotta run deposit rent checks, then go to class |
| 17:55.30 | rm_you | TTYL |
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| 17:56.24 | Sargun_Screen | bgahdhdejd |
| 17:56.27 | Sargun_Screen | stupid ui |
| 17:56.59 | johnx_ | Sargun_Screen, it's just a crappy, miscalibrated touchscreen. you can set it to always pop up the big keyboard if you want |
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| 17:57.33 | slonopotamus | Sargun, that was your password? :) |
| 17:57.52 | Sargun_Screen | no |
| 17:57.59 | Sargun_Screen | I recalibrated |
| 17:58.04 | Sargun_Screen | slonopotamus: oh noes |
| 17:58.14 | slonopotamus | ;) |
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| 17:58.30 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Ping ;) |
| 17:58.45 | mgedmin | pong |
| 17:59.31 | X-Fade | mgedmin: I see you have a repository listed in: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Reducing_number_of_external_repositories |
| 17:59.41 | mgedmin | nods |
| 17:59.49 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Can I convince you to move that stuff into extras and close it ;) |
| 17:59.54 | Sargun_Screen | what reminds me - I need to update |
| 18:00.03 | woglinde | *g* |
| 18:00.07 | woglinde | good luck |
| 18:00.31 | mgedmin | X-Fade: there's no need for convincing; that stuff should be moved into extras |
| 18:00.55 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, you are extremely polite :) |
| 18:00.58 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Somehow that is the answer I get a lot: http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2008/10/reducing-number-of-external.html |
| 18:01.02 | mgedmin | okay, there's a need to convince me to do this now rather than "whenever I find a spare minute" |
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| 18:01.36 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Public humiliation at the end of this month? :) |
| 18:01.49 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 18:01.52 | mgedmin | note that there are source packages for all of those |
| 18:01.56 | X-Fade | I guess GeneralAntilles can provide the ammo for that ;) |
| 18:02.02 | mgedmin | can I mass-upload them with a simple shell command line? |
| 18:02.06 | mgedmin | dput *.dsc or something? |
| 18:02.12 | mgedmin | guesses not |
| 18:02.14 | X-Fade | mgedmin: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/external-rebuild/gronmayer-rebuild.php :) |
| 18:02.37 | X-Fade | mgedmin: As you see, most of them build on the autobuilder just fine. |
| 18:02.59 | mgedmin | actually, some of them shouldn't be in extras |
| 18:03.14 | mgedmin | jaffa (I believe) produced a better vim package |
| 18:03.15 | GeneralAntilles | There will be blood. |
| 18:03.31 | mgedmin | and fbreader in my repo is an old fork-let |
| 18:03.41 | X-Fade | mgedmin: fbreader is now in extras. |
| 18:03.46 | mgedmin | right |
| 18:03.53 | X-Fade | mgedmin: And the fbreader team is closing their repo too. |
| 18:04.03 | k-s | guys, if you had 4 hours to present a simple Python-Maemo example/tutorial |
| 18:04.09 | k-s | what would you show? |
| 18:04.15 | k-s | ie: application ideas? |
| 18:04.16 | mgedmin | some of my packages are really from maemo SDK repository, with the Section changed to user/something |
| 18:04.21 | mgedmin | I'm not comfortable just uploading them to extras |
| 18:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | k-s, wow them with EFL? |
| 18:05.44 | k-s | GeneralAntilles: no, gtk/hildon or pygame |
| 18:05.55 | k-s | (not that I wouldn't like to show, but it's out of scope) |
| 18:06.21 | RST38h | Latest sb2 update has broken it =( |
| 18:06.43 | RST38h | makes a mental note to never ever let it update the sb2 |
| 18:06.56 | lcuk2 | k-s i wrote a remote control program in python :) it shows a very simple gui with big buttons and talks to a preconfigured daemon |
| 18:07.21 | k-s | lcuk2: interesting idea |
| 18:07.28 | lcuk2 | its also quick and simple |
| 18:07.29 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Yeah, what to do with those. |
| 18:07.52 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Put them in extras-devel only? |
| 18:08.44 | GeneralAntilles | What are the packages? |
| 18:08.45 | X-Fade | mgedmin: or just remove the user/ . Somebody needing xev would know how to use apt-get ;) |
| 18:09.24 | MangoFusion | write a program that writes a program that writes a program that... |
| 18:09.30 | MangoFusion | :) |
| 18:09.43 | yacoob | Hmm. I need to check whether it would be feasible to just change ~user to somewhere on /media/mmc |
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| 18:10.30 | mgedmin | X-Fade: you need root to use apt-get |
| 18:10.44 | X-Fade | mgedmin: rootsh! :) |
| 18:10.52 | yacoob | Anyone tried something like t hat? |
| 18:10.53 | mgedmin | ah, okay, but still |
| 18:11.15 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody and their brother has root access already |
| 18:11.16 | yacoob | just realised that it probably won't survive an update, if /etc/passwd gets overwritten. |
| 18:11.18 | GeneralAntilles | Not an issue. |
| 18:11.18 | mgedmin | root is easier these days, but I maintain it shouldn't be necessary for someone who just wants to use a couple of tools |
| 18:11.18 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Think of regular users ;) |
| 18:11.30 | mgedmin | I'm thinking about medium-power users |
| 18:11.32 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: are you going to include packages which are only in old extras (chinook, bora) but not in diablo to your campaign? |
| 18:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know what the Nokia 5800 is using? |
| 18:12.09 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, everybody and their brother has root. |
| 18:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | rootsh is in Extras. |
| 18:12.35 | X-Fade | mikkov_: I'm targetting external repositories for chinook and diablo. |
| 18:12.39 | johnx_ | yacoob, the user logs in before mmc is mounted... |
| 18:13.23 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Please feel free to add repositories to the list that have stuff missing from Extras. |
| 18:14.12 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: I just know many packages which have never made from chinook or bora to diablo |
| 18:14.40 | johnx_ | well bora->chinook was an API break |
| 18:14.55 | mikkov_ | not for all apis |
| 18:14.58 | X-Fade | mikkov_: GeneralAntilles can you point mikkov_ to the Missing packages in the wiki? Maybe we can revice that? |
| 18:15.01 | mikkov_ | like sdl |
| 18:15.10 | X-Fade | I have to step out for now. |
| 18:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Missing_packages_from_Diablo_Extras |
| 18:16.45 | RST38h | ~curse sb2 developers for pushing unstable updates onto users |
| 18:16.45 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sb2 developers for pushing unstable updates onto users ! |
| 18:17.19 | RST38h | GAN: 5800 uses S60e5 on top of Symbian 9.5 and a resistive touch screen |
| 18:17.33 | RST38h | GAN: Are you looking for something else on it? |
| 18:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | CPU |
| 18:18.35 | johnx_ | my spider sense says omap2 |
| 18:18.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming OMAP2430 clocked at something or other. |
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| 18:18.53 | RST38h | OMAP2 most likely |
| 18:18.57 | johnx_ | too early to see an omap3 from nokia |
| 18:18.59 | RST38h | but let us check |
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| 18:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly interested on the clock of the OMAP2 |
| 18:19.53 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 doesn't have production silicon yet (except for that crazy Archos) sooo. . . . |
| 18:20.23 | RST38h | 400MHz no higher |
| 18:20.37 | RST38h | that is the top speed for omap2 |
| 18:21.20 | yacoob | johnx_, that's not good then :o |
| 18:21.29 | yacoob | I'll end up with lotsa symlinksa. |
| 18:21.54 | RST38h | no info on the cpu yet |
| 18:23.43 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if an Android phone will come with tethering anytime soon. |
| 18:24.57 | johnx_ | I think phone companies are trying to get away from tethering |
| 18:25.18 | jott | yeah just sell an extra usb 3g stick with extra contract. |
| 18:25.30 | Sargun_Screen | GeneralAntilles: what about pandora? |
| 18:25.38 | mgedmin | phone companies are evil |
| 18:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | Sargun_Screen, does that sound like a cellphone to you? |
| 18:27.14 | glass_ | johnx_: easier to sell unlimited data if you don't allow tethering |
| 18:27.20 | glass_ | for the seller part |
| 18:27.24 | johnx_ | glass_, bingo :) |
| 18:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | It probably wont matter by the time the N900 comes out. |
| 18:27.58 | johnx_ | meanwhile, a usb HSPA modem might be in my future |
| 18:28.04 | Sargun_Screen | aren't the first nova phones omap3 |
| 18:28.28 | GeneralAntilles | As I'll probably have upgraded my phone and it probably wont be able to tether so I'll probably just have to deal with the extra money for a data plan for the tablet. |
| 18:28.35 | Sargun_Screen | when is nova coming out anyways? |
| 18:29.26 | Sargun_Screen | GeneralAntilles: Do you know anything about NOVA? |
| 18:29.26 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, unofficial tethering on android should be straightforward |
| 18:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | johnx_, "should be". ;) |
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| 18:29.47 | johnx_ | google won't give me a straight answer on nova... |
| 18:30.33 | summatusmentis | nova? isn't nova palm? |
| 18:30.33 | Sargun_Screen | nova = some palm nokia collabortation on a linux based os |
| 18:30.47 | glass_ | what |
| 18:30.53 | Sargun_Screen | and a few other companies |
| 18:30.59 | glass_ | info? |
| 18:31.01 | Sargun_Screen | htc, and stuff |
| 18:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, really, what? |
| 18:31.20 | glass_ | too many companies to be real, so ... info please? url? |
| 18:31.23 | johnx_ | is this related to access? |
| 18:31.24 | summatusmentis | I've never heard anything about anyone else working on it |
| 18:31.30 | summatusmentis | access is old |
| 18:31.38 | glass_ | johnx_: thats a different os alltogether |
| 18:31.43 | glass_ | than what palm is supposedly working on now |
| 18:31.53 | summatusmentis | glass_: supposedly that's nova |
| 18:31.53 | glass_ | but wtf have nokia and htc to do with palm |
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| 18:31.55 | johnx_ | it never even saw the light of day... |
| 18:32.00 | summatusmentis | but I hadn't heard anything about nokia and htc |
| 18:32.17 | glass_ | sounds pretty vaporish anyways |
| 18:32.18 | Sargun_Screen | HTC basically does everything for palm... you know that right? |
| 18:32.22 | summatusmentis | johnx_: access was supposed to be a linux layer undeath palm os, but was scrapped |
| 18:32.23 | glass_ | like anything palm |
| 18:32.33 | summatusmentis | Sargun_Screen: proof? |
| 18:32.36 | Sargun_Screen | glass_: I heard about it a year or so ago |
| 18:32.47 | glass_ | Sargun_Screen: where? |
| 18:33.08 | glass_ | i'm just not seeing this htc-palm-nokia connection as real? |
| 18:33.20 | Sargun_Screen | I cannot remember |
| 18:33.22 | johnx_ | well, htc will do whatever you ask |
| 18:33.23 | glass_ | htc-palm sure(winmos and palm needs a manufacturer) |
| 18:33.29 | Sargun_Screen | I'm just wondering if it fizzled |
| 18:33.31 | johnx_ | but I'm not seeing palm+nokia |
| 18:33.36 | Sargun_Screen | or it was BS |
| 18:33.46 | glass_ | johnx_: yeah, so thats not that strange. but palm+nokia is strange and htc+nokia even stranger |
| 18:33.51 | Sargun_Screen | palm and nokia have collaborated before |
| 18:33.56 | glass_ | when |
| 18:34.00 | glass_ | and on what? |
| 18:34.10 | Sargun_Screen | I mean palm ported their emulator to symban |
| 18:34.14 | Sargun_Screen | symbian |
| 18:34.15 | glass_ | what emu |
| 18:34.25 | mgedmin | garnet |
| 18:34.28 | johnx_ | "hey htc, make a phone that runs linux ... and java ... and make it shaped like a banana!" |
| 18:34.29 | mgedmin | ? |
| 18:34.34 | glass_ | mgedmin: is it ported to symbian? |
| 18:34.39 | glass_ | i thought just for maemo |
| 18:34.41 | RST38h | johnx: We already had a banana |
| 18:34.42 | Sargun_Screen | or was that access |
| 18:34.46 | mgedmin | that's why the question mark |
| 18:34.48 | mgedmin | I don't know |
| 18:34.52 | RST38h | johnx: that was the original Moto Z8 selling point |
| 18:34.54 | glass_ | Sargun_Screen: it's not port to symbian |
| 18:35.35 | glass_ | and it's a different company than palmo |
| 18:37.20 | johnx_ | always gets confused with which "palm" is doing which linux-based OS... |
| 18:37.57 | summatusmentis | johnx_: they're on and the same, afaik |
| 18:38.02 | glass_ | johnx_: palm doesn't know themselfs every 6 month |
| 18:38.18 | glass_ | that foleo linux got scrapped |
| 18:38.46 | glass_ | foleo.. and now we have 300$ laptops that do the same and more |
| 18:39.03 | johnx_ | summatusmentis, well, there's palm and palmsource, right? |
| 18:39.19 | glass_ | johnx_: and the old os that was sold off |
| 18:39.31 | glass_ | it's so complicated, yet nothing of interest has happened in palm land in years |
| 18:39.45 | johnx_ | so palm is doing "Palm OS 2" now and palmsource is pushing access, right? |
| 18:40.07 | summatusmentis | johnx_: I think palmsource was bought by palm |
| 18:40.16 | RST38h | palm bought back the palmsource |
| 18:40.22 | johnx_ | O_o |
| 18:40.24 | summatusmentis | afaik, palm spun off palmsource, and then bought them again |
| 18:40.33 | RST38h | it is now desperately trying to release something ANYTHING that people will buy |
| 18:40.38 | johnx_ | that's got to be a huge face-palm |
| 18:40.48 | summatusmentis | haha, I see what you did there |
| 18:40.49 | johnx_ | RST38h, well they're buying the centro for now |
| 18:40.58 | summatusmentis | the centro is a nice phone |
| 18:41.01 | johnx_ | summatusmentis, didn't mean to actually... |
| 18:41.03 | RST38h | johnx: that is 10-year-old tech |
| 18:41.05 | summatusmentis | the battery sucks, but it's a nice phone |
| 18:41.15 | johnx_ | RST38h, and the wheel is older...people still buy them |
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| 18:41.36 | RST38h | johnx: for the year 2008 they have got some weird unseen by anybody Linux-based PalmOS2 |
| 18:41.49 | johnx_ | s/2008/2009/ |
| 18:41.56 | RST38h | johnx: if they are reasonable, they will take old PalmOS UI APIs and move them to Linux |
| 18:42.15 | summatusmentis | the old PalmOS is a clusterfuck right now, afaik |
| 18:42.24 | johnx_ | hence why they want palmsource/access |
| 18:42.38 | RST38h | johnx: But, given that they have not released it in 5 (?) years and their propensity to suck on the old bone, they are not reasonable |
| 18:42.42 | johnx_ | ever since they switched to ARM palmOS seemed like a clusterfuck |
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| 18:42.51 | RST38h | summa: UI is ok. The rest has been clusterfuck from the beginning |
| 18:43.06 | RST38h | johnx: they DID NOT switch. you do not know the story? |
| 18:43.07 | summatusmentis | RST38h: UI is outdated and annoying, one of my biggest issues |
| 18:43.17 | RST38h | summa: People are buying centro for the ui |
| 18:43.27 | johnx_ | RST38h, well, they physically switched |
| 18:43.36 | RST38h | johnx: hehe, not exactly ;) |
| 18:43.55 | summatusmentis | that's why I bought it, because I wanted a cheap smartphone, but I don't really like PalmOS without a launcher and some other apps to change functionality |
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| 18:44.02 | RST38h | johnx: See, ARM-based PalmOS devices still run 680x0 code, but they do it with an emulator |
| 18:44.07 | johnx_ | RST38h, I thought they just ran old software under emulation. is there a physical m68k in the centro? |
| 18:44.16 | johnx_ | right, hence "physically" |
| 18:44.19 | johnx_ | I know all this |
| 18:44.26 | RST38h | johnx: The only way to run native ARM code is through an obscure system call that lets you have a native dll with a single entry point |
| 18:44.39 | RST38h | no, there is no physical m68k |
| 18:44.54 | RST38h | but as an app developer, you can't easily access ARM either |
| 18:45.16 | RST38h | you still have to develop for 68k, with a limit of 64000 bytes per code segment |
| 18:45.22 | johnx_ | ahaha |
| 18:45.24 | RST38h | without a file system |
| 18:45.26 | johnx_ | awesome |
| 18:45.31 | johnx_ | knew that |
| 18:45.34 | RST38h | johnx: I tried porting my stuff to it |
| 18:45.42 | RST38h | johnx: It felt like ass-fucking a pidgeon |
| 18:46.03 | summatusmentis | so, arousing and enjoyable? |
| 18:46.05 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 18:48.43 | Mousey | <_< |
| 18:49.27 | johnx_ | it's amazing how long palm *hasn't done anything* and is still selling millions of phones |
| 18:50.04 | Mousey | still <3s palmos, hasn't found a better phone than his treo 750 |
| 18:50.47 | summatusmentis | there are a _lot_ of people who still really like palmos |
| 18:51.06 | johnx_ | remembers when palm bought handspring |
| 18:51.17 | hrw | palmos is nice and simple |
| 18:51.24 | summatusmentis | johnx_: I do too, vaguely |
| 18:51.26 | hrw | but it is also 3 years old now |
| 18:51.37 | summatusmentis | hrw: nice and simple, but you can't do anything with it |
| 18:51.43 | johnx_ | definitely. it's a nice UI, it's fast as hell and the apps are well integrated |
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| 18:51.56 | hrw | summatusmentis: depends what your needs are |
| 18:52.10 | hrw | I liked palmos 4.1 on my hires sony clie |
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| 18:52.19 | hrw | but it was limiting me and my use of device |
| 18:52.22 | summatusmentis | hrw: I suppose, I just want more granularity with settings/etc. |
| 18:52.38 | summatusmentis | yeah, it is limiting |
| 18:52.40 | johnx_ | for me, the deal breaker is web browsing |
| 18:52.58 | RST38h | summa: queer and unsatisfying |
| 18:53.15 | summatusmentis | johnx_: that's one of my biggest issues |
| 18:53.19 | summatusmentis | RST38h: meaning what? |
| 18:53.28 | johnx_ | summatusmentis, about the pigeon |
| 18:53.31 | RST38h | johnx: PalmOS UI has actually been *designed* by UI people who had target groups and counted clicks for each basic task |
| 18:53.31 | summatusmentis | oh, right, pigeon |
| 18:53.37 | RST38h | johnx: no wonder it still sells |
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| 18:55.51 | slonopotamus | where i should specify DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
| 18:56.27 | slonopotamus | i need to disable parallel building for a package |
| 18:57.40 | slonopotamus | anybody? |
| 18:57.57 | johnx_ | dont you just export it in a shell before building? |
| 18:58.07 | slonopotamus | on auutobuilder? |
| 18:58.12 | johnx_ | ah |
| 18:58.15 | johnx_ | well that's different |
| 18:59.21 | slonopotamus | Ы |
| 19:00.07 | slonopotamus | that's the problem. I don't understand where to put it |
| 19:00.26 | slonopotamus | export at the beginning of debian/rules? |
| 19:00.39 | hrw | yes |
| 19:00.57 | hrw | I would just look at debian packages |
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| 19:01.28 | slonopotamus | maemo policy says nothing about it :( |
| 19:02.11 | jott | slonopotamus: DEB_BULD_OPTIONS are specified by the builder |
| 19:02.24 | jott | you have to "parse" them in your rules file.. |
| 19:02.52 | jott | (like enable vfp support if DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS contains "vfp") |
| 19:03.30 | lcuk2 | jott, did you manage to see if theres any difference in performance mode? |
| 19:03.48 | slonopotamus | do dh_* scripts do that by default? |
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| 19:04.41 | etrunko | X-Fade: is the builder machine up? |
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| 19:05.20 | Mousey | hi |
| 19:05.24 | Mousey | oops, wrong channel |
| 19:05.48 | etrunko | hi Mousey |
| 19:05.50 | etrunko | :P |
| 19:06.01 | jott | lcuk2: not very big ones. |
| 19:06.12 | jott | but i did not run extensive benchmarks |
| 19:06.17 | lcuk2 | ok, was worth it just for completeness |
| 19:06.24 | Mousey | =) |
| 19:06.35 | jott | woo just started qt extended on n810 :) |
| 19:06.41 | lcuk2 | i thought it would already be kicking up, but you never know with these things |
| 19:06.53 | lcuk2 | qt extended? have you got enough space for standard :P |
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| 19:07.17 | jott | yer still plenty of space free :) |
| 19:07.29 | jott | qt extended is former qtopia platform/phone edition |
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| 19:08.04 | RST38h | Error loading /tmp/sb2-fms-20081002-230430.J14685/lua_scripts/main.lua |
| 19:08.04 | RST38h | Error loading /tmp/sb2-fms-20081002-230426.R14598/lua_scripts/main.lua |
| 19:08.12 | RST38h | Any ideas what the problem is? |
| 19:08.22 | etrunko | X-Fade: it is |
| 19:08.34 | etrunko | a bit slow but it's running |
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| 19:11.56 | slonopotamus | do we have libdb4.2-dev for diablo-included libdb4.2? |
| 19:12.40 | slonopotamus | and if no, do we have sources for diablo libdb4.2 so we could buld one? |
| 19:15.21 | slonopotamus | and if no again, i'll be angry at nokia |
| 19:15.49 | t_s_o | ugh, sometimes i wish app manager could show more info without having to bump the whole thing into red pill... |
| 19:15.54 | slonopotamus | same question about libxml-dev |
| 19:17.12 | t_s_o | hmm, battery-status no longer give a output in terminal, it only triggers the battery icon in the statusbar... |
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| 19:21.35 | slonopotamus | :( |
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| 19:22.30 | johnx_ | reads a review of the original treo 180 |
| 19:23.45 | slonopotamus | nobody likes hard-to-answer questions, uh? :) |
| 19:24.52 | johnx_ | try: apt-cache policy libdb4.2 |
| 19:25.02 | johnx_ | are you just missing the -dev package? |
| 19:25.45 | summatusmentis | johnx_: is that the one with the flip cover? |
| 19:25.53 | johnx_ | slonopotamus, anyways, it's here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/d/db4.2/ |
| 19:26.06 | johnx_ | summatusmentis, yup. with b/w screen and 1 hour of talk time |
| 19:26.22 | AStorm | hello :) |
| 19:26.28 | slonopotamus | i need -dev package, yes |
| 19:26.53 | toti_ | Hey, I'm trying to do some stuff that needs root privilegs from a program. Because I don't want the whole program to run as root I thought about doing these things requiring root privilegs from some scripts. So is there a way to run these Scripts with an graphical authentification like kdesu or gksu und maemo? Or how would you try to do something like that |
| 19:27.13 | AStorm | It seems I'll undertake a project related to maemo in the course of studies :> |
| 19:27.43 | AStorm | either better handwriting recognizer, or map vectorizer (guess) |
| 19:29.17 | johnx_ | toti_, maybe have your program depend on rootsh? or have one program with root privileges and one without? |
| 19:30.09 | johnx_ | slonopotamus, so did you find it? |
| 19:30.20 | slonopotamus | nope |
| 19:30.29 | johnx_ | <johnx_> slonopotamus, anyways, it's here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/d/db4.2/ |
| 19:30.34 | johnx_ | :) |
| 19:30.34 | AStorm | to do the first properly, I'll need some nice docs about hildon-input-method |
| 19:30.37 | slonopotamus | i see. |
| 19:31.25 | AStorm | (of course, I can always borrow code from dasher) |
| 19:32.02 | toti_ | I'll have a look at rootsh seems like sudo this would might work but I don't really know how to let the program type the password ?! |
| 19:32.22 | johnx_ | toti_, it's like sudo with no password |
| 19:32.48 | johnx_ | AStorm, there's an example hildon-input-method plugin from nokia as well |
| 19:32.51 | AStorm | oh fsck, mapper's rotation code is so naive :) |
| 19:33.04 | AStorm | johnx_: url or search query? :> |
| 19:33.44 | Komzpa | is there a port of wwwoffle for maemo? |
| 19:33.56 | toti_ | without? And if I changed my password before? |
| 19:34.24 | AStorm | Komzpa: I don't think so, but shouldn't be hard |
| 19:34.42 | AStorm | I suggest you use polipo instead (and its offline mode toggle) |
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| 19:35.01 | johnx_ | toti_, one of the parts of rootsh will just get your a root shell no matter what the passwords are |
| 19:36.00 | AStorm | wwwoffle has an ancient and buggy network transport |
| 19:36.08 | AStorm | e.g. HTTP 1.0 only |
| 19:36.12 | toti_ | lol, semms good on one hand and a bit dangerous on the other |
| 19:36.17 | johnx_ | AStorm, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/h/hildon-input-method-plugins-example/ :P |
| 19:36.30 | AStorm | so it's in the repo? thanks |
| 19:37.11 | johnx_ | toti_, suppose so. splitting your program and having one half setuid root might be safer |
| 19:37.35 | AStorm | mapper's rotation code is naive... |
| 19:37.45 | Komzpa | AStorm: thanks :) |
| 19:37.48 | AStorm | this needs fixing |
| 19:39.34 | Stskeeps | half a year with tablet and first today i discover you can copy-paste by dragging .. |
| 19:40.24 | toti_ | I also thought about that but it's a java programm running on jalimo and I think it won't work if I only give the .class files by setuid |
| 19:40.25 | johnx_ | Stskeeps, though sadly, not between apps :/ |
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| 19:43.36 | slonopotamus | toti_, really? |
| 19:44.05 | slonopotamus | toti_, oh my. you're not kidding |
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| 19:44.44 | toti_ | I think it only works if jalimo has root privilegs |
| 19:45.08 | slonopotamus | woops, i meant Stskeeps |
| 19:45.34 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, :P |
| 19:45.39 | toti_ | lol, maybe I should give it a second try then xD |
| 19:45.46 | slonopotamus | now i know kung-fu! |
| 19:45.51 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 19:46.12 | slonopotamus | is building dependency og dependency of svn... |
| 19:46.19 | slonopotamus | *of |
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| 19:56.06 | cyrus__ | when uninstalling a package, is there a way to remove all the installed required packages taht are no longer needed |
| 19:57.38 | lcuk2 | cyrus, rm -rf / seemed to work well last time, it removed everything not in use |
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| 19:57.51 | lcuk2 | (and for some reason a few things that were..) |
| 19:58.10 | cyrus__ | thanks....haha |
| 19:58.33 | lcuk2 | :D you are welcome |
| 19:58.51 | johnx_ | cyrus__, apt-get autoremove |
| 19:59.04 | johnx_ | I don't remember if the tablet's apt-get has that |
| 19:59.11 | johnx_ | and *be careful* with it |
| 19:59.11 | cyrus__ | also, if I try to organize the panels, I can't ever change anything. If I try to remove for instance the Gizmo icon, the delete button is greyed out |
| 19:59.24 | solmumaha | don't think it has |
| 19:59.48 | johnx_ | cyrus__, known issue. I made a new menu folder called "useless" and moved most stuff there |
| 20:00.09 | johnx_ | and with that, I'm off to bed |
| 20:00.14 | johnx_ | 'night all |
| 20:00.46 | solmumaha | correction, it does have it |
| 20:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | johnx_, you can remove the .desktops. . . . |
| 20:00.53 | solmumaha | wonder when they added it |
| 20:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | cyrus__, /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 20:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | rhapsody.desktop gizmo.desktop skype.desktop etc |
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| 20:11.33 | RST38h | given a file in linux file system (let us say in /bin) how do I find what package may have installed it? |
| 20:11.57 | johnx_ | RST38h, what distro? |
| 20:12.14 | RST38h | ubuntu |
| 20:12.20 | johnx_ | dpkg -S /path/file |
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| 20:16.29 | RST38h | ah |
| 20:16.32 | RST38h | perfect, thanks |
| 20:16.37 | johnx_ | sure :) |
| 20:16.40 | johnx_ | really sleeps |
| 20:16.44 | RST38h | now I only need to find an sb2 developer and strangle him |
| 20:17.12 | RST38h | because it looks like they have just pushed an update that makes sb2 fail when called from inside sb2 |
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| 20:29.40 | toti_ | Hey, is there a special way required to set SUID Bits on Maemo? I tried chmod u+s to run a simple c program which calls system("whoami"); and it prints user if I start it as a normal user |
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| 20:31.58 | mikkov_ | is user owner of the program? |
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| 20:32.36 | toti_ | wait..... I thing the right answer is Upps |
| 20:36.47 | RST38h | Followup from the story a few days ago, on the man who was tasered and fell to his death. The lieutenant who ordered the tazing was found dead of an "apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound." |
| 20:36.49 | RST38h | 1:1 |
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| 20:40.40 | toti_ | if I user chmod a+s [file] every user should be able to run the program as owner? |
| 20:41.45 | maddler | hi all! |
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| 20:43.19 | RST38h | toti: no |
| 20:44.10 | toti_ | ok, if I use chmod +s |
| 20:44.23 | RST38h | +s has nothing to do with execution rights by users |
| 20:44.52 | toti_ | ok, but it let the programm run as owner down't it? |
| 20:45.06 | RST38h | yes |
| 20:45.16 | RST38h | setuid+setgid+sticky |
| 20:46.00 | toti_ | but it doesn't work in my case. Owner of the programm is root but if set the sticky bit the programm still runs s user |
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| 20:46.29 | woglinde | hi gnuton |
| 20:46.41 | RST38h | do ls -l program |
| 20:46.47 | RST38h | show what it says |
| 20:46.56 | toti_ | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root |
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| 20:47.10 | RST38h | ok |
| 20:47.19 | gnuton | Hi woglinde :) |
| 20:47.29 | RST38h | looks ok but your os may prevent setuid/setgid programs from executing |
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| 20:48.04 | toti_ | But I am able to execute it it only doesn't execute as root |
| 20:49.51 | RST38h | well, the system lets it execute but does not set ids unless this executable is in a special list |
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| 20:49.59 | RST38h | at least this is what I think happens |
| 20:51.15 | toti_ | But this isn't usual isn't it? |
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| 20:53.37 | RST38h | no it is fairly usual: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Secure-Programs-HOWTO/avoid-setuid.html |
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| 20:55.17 | toti_ | But this is about scripts, I'm running a c programm |
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| 21:39.27 | cyrus__ | installed gainroot and add the following to my sudoers files: cyrus ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot |
| 21:39.46 | cyrus__ | cyrus is a local user I made, however when I type sudoers gainroot it asks for the root passwd, which I supply correctly, but it says invalid |
| 21:41.48 | mgedmin | it doesn't ask for the root pwd |
| 21:41.52 | mgedmin | it asks for the cyrus pwd |
| 21:42.05 | mgedmin | because you put the 'PASSWD:' in your /etc/sudoers |
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| 21:45.41 | cyrus__ | mgedmin - oh...i am stupid...is there a way to have it ask for the root passwd? |
| 21:46.18 | mgedmin | no |
| 21:46.30 | mgedmin | that's the point of sudo: it never asks for the root pw |
| 21:46.41 | mgedmin | sounds like you want su |
| 21:46.46 | cyrus__ | mgedmin - ok. What if I want to implement something similiar to logging on and doing su - |
| 21:46.48 | cyrus__ | exactly |
| 21:46.50 | cyrus__ | but if I run su - |
| 21:46.57 | cyrus__ | ti says something about applet requires root privileges |
| 21:47.25 | mgedmin | ah, right |
| 21:47.30 | mgedmin | because it's the busybox su |
| 21:47.35 | mgedmin | and busybox is not suid-root on maemo |
| 21:48.21 | cyrus__ | mgedmin - k. is there a package out there that supplies su |
| 21:48.36 | mgedmin | no idea |
| 21:48.40 | mgedmin | why do you need it? |
| 21:49.48 | cyrus__ | well I am just trying to setup some additional security. I have SSH enabled with norootlogins |
| 21:50.02 | cyrus__ | however, if someone figures out my regular user password |
| 21:50.10 | cyrus__ | they basically have root, since they just run sudo gainroot |
| 21:50.15 | cyrus__ | and don't have to supply the root passwd |
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| 21:52.05 | mgedmin | yes |
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| 22:15.16 | Prez00 | hello.. |
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| 22:15.41 | Prez00 | I see latest firmware is out, but cannot find it at regular download site, any other place? the online update did not work for me... |
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| 22:16.56 | mavhc | I like the way the windows updater says: remove the power cable, now wait 30 mins for the update to download |
| 22:17.26 | gomiam | mavhc: unless you tell it to get it from somewhere in the harddisk |
| 22:18.09 | mavhc | but at least switch those 2 things around |
| 22:23.26 | Prez00 | so, any ideas where I can get latest firmware for manual flash? |
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| 22:28.41 | gomiam | mmm.. there used to be a site...http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php |
| 22:28.53 | gomiam | you'll just need your WiFi card MAC |
| 22:29.13 | gomiam | (available underneath the battery, for example) |
| 22:31.30 | mavhc | is there a reason serial numbers are often under the battery? |
| 22:31.52 | mgedmin | control panel -> device -> about |
| 22:32.03 | Prez00 | gomiam: yep, i went there, the update is not there.. |
| 22:32.06 | mgedmin | no need for battery pulling |
| 22:32.26 | Prez00 | and i tried installing directly using app manager, now have the update with exclamation mark |
| 22:32.32 | gomiam | mgedmin: oh XD I forgot. I usually just /sbin/ifconfig -a wlan0 XD |
| 22:44.44 | Prez00 | ok, anyone got the flash image for 4.2008.36-5 on them? |
| 22:49.09 | gomiam | not me |
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| 22:57.38 | Prez00 | this is weird, now the wiki for how to flash using linux is gone.. |
| 23:06.04 | mgedmin | merged somewhere probably |
| 23:06.50 | liri | any expert on postgresql around? |
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