| 00:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | Deblet really isn't meant for media. |
| 00:02.40 | Stargazers^ | Well, at least it seems so. Well, that is not a problem, but it would be nice feature. |
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| 00:04.35 | Stargazers^ | But, now food and then sleep. |
| 00:04.39 | Stargazers^ | Good night! |
| 00:04.41 | Stargazers^ | o/ -> |
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| 00:44.28 | KotCzarny | http://freakymartin.com/nitro/fishki01/47a0b4445477618_comp.jpg :> |
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| 01:28.02 | vdepizzol | #nokia-n810 |
| 01:28.06 | vdepizzol | ops |
| 01:32.02 | vdepizzol | Hello. I tried to execute a dist-upgrade in my nokia n810 (now I know, I shouldn't do that), and during the installing, the screen got blank.. and now I can't power it on anymore. It shows up the nokia logo for some seconds and than turn off. How can I reflash it? |
| 01:32.27 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 01:32.28 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 01:44.35 | vdepizzol | KotCzarny: thank you |
| 01:44.48 | KotCzarny | thank the author of the page |
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| 02:33.26 | dick-richardson | I'm using grandcentral and can't press 1 to accept the call on my n810...any suggestions? |
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| 03:17.00 | vdepizzol | :) |
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| 03:35.54 | prak | i've noticed that there is a map application written by Wayfinder Systems on os2008 on nokia n810. however, the license for it has expired. What would you recommend in terms of map application to get it working with the built-in gps on the n810? |
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| 03:36.47 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper |
| 03:37.07 | prak | thanks |
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| 04:11.49 | nikosapi | hey can someone take a look at this: http://slexy.org/view/s21kyQEyAb |
| 04:12.30 | nikosapi | I'm getting a bunch of "FAT: Directory bread(block 3972991) failed ... attempt to access beyond end of device" in my dmesg |
| 04:12.58 | nikosapi | here's my dmesg: http://slexy.org/view/s2kx96QYVE |
| 04:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | Um, is your partition table screwed? |
| 04:13.11 | nikosapi | it looks like it |
| 04:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | Reformat? |
| 04:13.30 | KotCzarny | repartition first |
| 04:13.39 | nikosapi | can I safely do that on the n810 itself? |
| 04:13.55 | KotCzarny | sure, backup what's left first |
| 04:14.05 | nikosapi | heh, ok :) |
| 04:14.09 | KotCzarny | although it's easier via usb |
| 04:14.21 | nikosapi | oh, ok. I'll that then |
| 04:14.27 | nikosapi | I'll do* |
| 04:14.40 | KotCzarny | any lin/win partition program will do |
| 04:14.59 | KotCzarny | mac too |
| 04:15.28 | nikosapi | I'll just use good old cfdisk :) |
| 04:16.59 | nikosapi | huh, "Cannot find a partition table on the disk" |
| 04:17.06 | KotCzarny | start with zero partition |
| 04:17.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:17.51 | nikosapi | oh, I have /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1, sdc1 has a partition table... is that right? O_o |
| 04:18.08 | KotCzarny | probably not |
| 04:18.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:18.26 | nikosapi | how the hell did this happen? :P |
| 04:18.44 | KotCzarny | maybe some kind of sectors hiding? |
| 04:19.03 | KotCzarny | and how come you have sdc1 |
| 04:19.11 | KotCzarny | if sdc doesn't have partition table? |
| 04:19.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:19.17 | nikosapi | no idea |
| 04:22.42 | nikosapi | crap, now it won't boot :P |
| 04:22.51 | Navi | WOO |
| 04:22.54 | nikosapi | hehe |
| 04:22.56 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 04:23.14 | nikosapi | I don't really care I had just reflashed it anyway |
| 04:23.33 | KotCzarny | what have you done to it? |
| 04:23.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:23.54 | nikosapi | blames KotCzarny ;D |
| 04:24.54 | KotCzarny | sure, but what have you done :) |
| 04:25.16 | nikosapi | I just repartitioned and reformted |
| 04:25.29 | nikosapi | although, I am quite sleepy |
| 04:25.33 | KotCzarny | unless you had it setup to boot from sd |
| 04:25.38 | KotCzarny | it shouldn't matter :) |
| 04:28.30 | nikosapi | admits defeat and reflashes... |
| 04:28.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:31.55 | nikosapi | hey, how come on the n810 the internal memory gets mounted on /media/mmc2? |
| 04:32.05 | nikosapi | instead of mmc1 |
| 04:32.16 | Getkeys | mmc1 is the minisd slot |
| 04:33.31 | nikosapi | /dev/mmcblk0 is the internal memory... |
| 04:33.51 | nikosapi | /dev/mmcblk1 is the minisd |
| 04:33.55 | nikosapi | no? |
| 04:33.56 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 04:34.05 | KotCzarny | but mount on mmc2 and mmc1 |
| 04:34.10 | Kegetys | there's two internal memories |
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| 04:34.45 | KotCzarny | don't ask me why internal memory (internal slot on n800) mount on mmc2 |
| 04:34.57 | KotCzarny | *mounts |
| 04:35.03 | nikosapi | So why mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 on mmc2 and /dev/mmcblk1p1 on mmc1? It seems ... backwards :P |
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| 04:35.26 | prak | is maemo based on deb or rpm? |
| 04:35.30 | KotCzarny | deb |
| 04:35.31 | nikosapi | deb |
| 04:35.34 | prak | ic |
| 04:35.36 | prak | thanks |
| 04:35.38 | KotCzarny | first! |
| 04:35.44 | nikosapi | hehe |
| 04:36.12 | Kegetys | could be just an engineering thing, maybe they wired one of the mmc connectors to the now-soldered memory without paying attention to how it is mapped in software side |
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| 04:36.45 | KotCzarny | more likely they started with mmc2 being used for something |
| 04:37.02 | KotCzarny | and then there was no going back to normal |
| 04:37.18 | nikosapi | mkay |
| 04:41.42 | prak | i'm having some trouble installing maemo mapper due to the dependencies; would the easiest way involve adding the repo to the application manager? |
| 04:41.56 | KotCzarny | clicking install on maemo.org |
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| 04:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | nikosapi, because of the 770. |
| 04:43.30 | GeneralAntilles | Kegetys, no, that makes no sense. :P |
| 04:43.43 | nikosapi | GeneralAntilles: heh, how? |
| 04:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | It only had one slot, the external slot and it was mmc1. |
| 04:44.39 | nikosapi | ah, that makes sense! |
| 04:46.28 | GeneralAntilles | Not the most logical thing in the world, but such is the way with legacy issues. ;) |
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| 04:50.50 | nikosapi | huh, now check this out: http://slexy.org/view/s20JfsrqwT |
| 04:51.13 | KotCzarny | and? |
| 04:51.19 | nikosapi | is it just me or are the sizes switched? |
| 04:51.29 | nikosapi | I have a 4GB sd card in there |
| 04:51.37 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 04:51.39 | KotCzarny | still |
| 04:51.44 | KotCzarny | internal at mmc2 |
| 04:51.51 | KotCzarny | everything as expected |
| 04:52.18 | nikosapi | look: 254 0 3996160 mmcblk0, which corresponds to: /dev/mmcblk0p1 1956056 |
| 04:52.33 | KotCzarny | see above |
| 04:53.38 | nikosapi | right, but why does /proc/partitions list mmcblk0p1 as having 3992064 blocks? |
| 04:53.54 | nikosapi | isn't that the internal card? |
| 04:54.20 | KotCzarny | don't know, as long internal is at mmc2, right? |
| 04:54.35 | prak | would the easiest way of installing maemo mapper be going on maemo's website and download the .install file? |
| 04:54.41 | nikosapi | yes |
| 04:55.07 | KotCzarny | another easy way is enabling extras and installing via app-man |
| 04:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | prak, just pull it from Chinook Extras. |
| 04:55.15 | nikosapi | KotCzarny: hmm, lemme try something... |
| 04:55.20 | prak | Chinook Extras? |
| 04:55.24 | prak | how would i set that up? |
| 04:55.30 | KotCzarny | niko: eject card and reboot? |
| 04:55.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:55.43 | prak | my package manager isn't set up properly to install from chinook extra |
| 04:55.45 | prak | *extras |
| 04:55.55 | KotCzarny | prak: it's already set up probably, you need to uncheck the 'disable' box |
| 04:56.23 | prak | i've opened the .install file now and chinook extras is added to the repo |
| 04:57.23 | nikosapi | I'm gunna see what happens when I fill up the internal storage |
| 04:57.41 | KotCzarny | if you repartitioned/reformatted it right |
| 04:57.42 | KotCzarny | nothing |
| 04:57.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:57.51 | nikosapi | I hope so |
| 05:00.29 | nikosapi | jeez, the internal flash is slow |
| 05:00.45 | KotCzarny | n800 > n810 |
| 05:00.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:00.57 | nikosapi | nah, keyboards ftw! |
| 05:01.21 | KotCzarny | has bt kb |
| 05:01.32 | nikosapi | mhmm |
| 05:02.00 | nikosapi | gps is fun too, although I find the camera useless |
| 05:02.21 | KotCzarny | at least on n800 you can turn it to the other side |
| 05:02.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:02.27 | nikosapi | right |
| 05:02.34 | KotCzarny | but i agree, a little useless |
| 05:03.05 | nikosapi | meh, I'm lucky I even got an n810, these things are hard to come by |
| 05:03.20 | nikosapi | I had to wait a month before it shipped |
| 05:03.32 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 05:04.09 | nikosapi | yeah... |
| 05:04.18 | KotCzarny | isn't your ip from nj ? |
| 05:04.32 | nikosapi | hehe, no that's my server |
| 05:04.35 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 05:04.44 | nikosapi | I live in Quebec |
| 05:05.02 | KotCzarny | you could have get it from ebay.com |
| 05:05.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:05.14 | nikosapi | nah, I wanted a new one |
| 05:05.20 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 05:05.47 | nikosapi | call me crazy but I like new things :P |
| 05:06.14 | nikosapi | also, I don't really trust ebay for expensive stuff |
| 05:06.38 | KotCzarny | oh well |
| 05:06.58 | nikosapi | the important thing is that I'm quite happy with what I've got |
| 05:07.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:07.11 | KotCzarny | yeah, they are likeable |
| 05:07.57 | nikosapi | hey, any mobile device with python on it is awesome by me :D |
| 05:08.31 | KotCzarny | for me rule is having sshd |
| 05:08.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:09.15 | nikosapi | my archos has sshd on it and I haven't used it in months... |
| 05:13.06 | nikosapi | 600MB to go! |
| 05:18.33 | nikosapi | cool, it worked, no errors |
| 05:18.45 | KotCzarny | another happy customer |
| 05:19.07 | KotCzarny | anyone knows if nokia know about that partition problem? |
| 05:19.17 | KotCzarny | and if they are going to do anything about it? |
| 05:19.23 | KotCzarny | *knows |
| 05:19.50 | nikosapi | I read a bug report about a similar problem |
| 05:20.23 | nikosapi | the funny thing is that I didn't have any issues for the 3-4 months that I've had it |
| 05:20.49 | nikosapi | but I think it's because I accidentally filled the disk with podcasts |
| 05:21.00 | GeneralAntilles | Is this the built-in 2GB? |
| 05:21.07 | GeneralAntilles | wasn't paying attention. |
| 05:21.12 | nikosapi | that must of triggered the error. GeneralAntilles: yep |
| 05:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, yeah. |
| 05:21.22 | GeneralAntilles | It was a factory error |
| 05:21.26 | GeneralAntilles | Fixed long ago. |
| 05:21.28 | nikosapi | hah |
| 05:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | Like, back in January. |
| 05:21.45 | nikosapi | then I got an oldie :P |
| 05:21.45 | KotCzarny | but he got his n810 NEW |
| 05:21.47 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:22.11 | nikosapi | hey it takes a while to ship from Finland :P |
| 05:22.18 | KotCzarny | 8 months? |
| 05:22.22 | nikosapi | yes |
| 05:22.25 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 05:22.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | Stock usually doesn't move instantly. |
| 05:22.30 | nikosapi | hehe |
| 05:25.38 | Navi | They would if they used my magic. |
| 05:26.43 | GeneralAntilles | That shit's expensive, though. |
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| 05:32.05 | nikosapi | thanks a lot for the the help guys |
| 05:32.09 | nikosapi | goes to sleep |
| 05:32.18 | KotCzarny | go go |
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| 05:35.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, RST38h. |
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| 07:36.11 | zap | ahem... anybody knows what I must do to make pygtk work in scratchbox? |
| 07:36.27 | KotCzarny | what is the error? |
| 07:36.31 | zap | I see that python2.5-gtk2 is installed by default, but "import gtk" will throw an exception |
| 07:36.43 | zap | says "no module named gtk" |
| 07:36.52 | KotCzarny | try import gtk2 ? |
| 07:36.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:37.00 | zap | same ass |
| 07:37.05 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 07:37.09 | zap | import gtk works on tablet |
| 07:37.10 | KotCzarny | check paths? |
| 07:37.13 | zap | but not on scratchbox |
| 07:37.26 | zap | well, it's the same package both on tablet and in scratchbox |
| 07:37.28 | KotCzarny | can python list what it finds and where? |
| 07:37.39 | zap | no idea :) |
| 07:37.47 | KotCzarny | run via strace ? |
| 07:37.50 | zap | usually it finds its guts automagically |
| 07:37.57 | zap | aha, good idea |
| 07:38.17 | melmoth | import gtk should work on scratchbox |
| 07:39.00 | zap | shame |
| 07:39.01 | melmoth | zap: up to date diablo sdk ? |
| 07:39.10 | zap | it looks for its guts under /scratchbox/tools/ |
| 07:39.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:39.17 | zap | melmoth: well, its diablo SDK |
| 07:39.23 | zap | dunno how to check if it's up to date |
| 07:39.25 | KotCzarny | symlink? |
| 07:39.33 | KotCzarny | zap: apt-get upgrade ? |
| 07:39.34 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:39.35 | zap | I'll have to, but its strange |
| 07:39.37 | KotCzarny | or update |
| 07:39.58 | zap | 58Mb to download |
| 07:40.01 | zap | oh my :) |
| 07:40.09 | KotCzarny | backup first |
| 07:40.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:40.13 | zap | ahaha |
| 07:40.27 | zap | I'm an adventurous person, and lazy |
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| 07:40.40 | KotCzarny | me too |
| 07:40.42 | zap | I'll fix it manually, if anything goes wrong ;) |
| 07:40.49 | KotCzarny | i'm still using chinook on nit and sb |
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| 07:48.40 | zap | hehe, after upgrade same thing |
| 07:49.34 | KotCzarny | does python allow for include paths? |
| 07:50.21 | zap | aha, found whats the problem |
| 07:50.35 | zap | looks like I have a old maemo-tools tarball unpacked in my rootfs |
| 07:50.45 | zap | it contains python2.3 |
| 07:50.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:53.42 | zap | scratchbox-devkit-maemo3-1.0.3 |
| 07:53.45 | zap | strange |
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| 07:56.55 | liri | I'll be in Berlin at the 5th through the 7th of October |
| 07:56.59 | liri | any interesting events? |
| 07:57.08 | KotCzarny | octoberfest? |
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| 07:58.16 | zap | aha, it should be related to PYTHONPATH not including /usr/lib/python2.3 |
| 07:58.17 | liri | I mean like interesting linux confs :) |
| 07:58.26 | liri | actually I'll be at work all day so that only leaves the evening... |
| 07:58.44 | prak | what calendar software would you recommend to sync with google calendar? |
| 08:00.18 | zap | finally got it... 'python' is a i386 app, and my env is ARM... looks like python development must be done under i386 |
| 08:00.35 | KotCzarny | must? |
| 08:00.41 | liri | prak: there's mcalendar though it needs some more work |
| 08:00.41 | KotCzarny | just install armel one? |
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| 08:01.53 | KotCzarny | isn't the idea behind sb + qemu that you run armel binaries? |
| 08:01.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:02.36 | zap | nope |
| 08:02.46 | zap | i386 env is recommended everywhere |
| 08:02.55 | KotCzarny | bah. |
| 08:03.02 | zap | arm emulation is incomplete, alas (arm kernel has some syscalls missing on x86) |
| 08:03.03 | KotCzarny | naver saw any of those recommendations |
| 08:03.13 | KotCzarny | zap, get newer qemu |
| 08:03.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:03.16 | zap | I remember reading this somewhere |
| 08:03.26 | zap | its not about qemu, it's about arm and x86 kernel differences |
| 08:03.34 | KotCzarny | it's all about qemu |
| 08:03.38 | zap | nope |
| 08:03.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:03.54 | zap | qemu just redirects kernel syscalls to host kernel |
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| 08:04.05 | zap | and host kernel is x86, but tries to mimic an arm kernel |
| 08:04.19 | KotCzarny | well |
| 08:04.34 | KotCzarny | for me upgrading qemu helped to get rid of some of those missing syscalls |
| 08:05.07 | zap | um |
| 08:05.12 | zap | the qemu from scratchbox? |
| 08:05.19 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 08:05.29 | KotCzarny | sb1 to be exact |
| 08:06.19 | prak | anything else other than mcalendar? |
| 08:06.43 | zap | KotCzarny: have you tried to run some more or less complex gtk app under newer qemu? They usually work, but tend to crash unexpectedly |
| 08:07.04 | KotCzarny | zap: nothing graphical, because i test my bins on n800 (via sshfs) |
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| 08:07.47 | matahari | morning |
| 08:07.55 | KotCzarny | mourning |
| 08:08.23 | matahari | yesterday i cloned my n810 to my SD card, using the howto i got here.... |
| 08:08.42 | KotCzarny | congrats |
| 08:09.01 | matahari | BUT there are some issues: my SD Card is 4GB. I partitioned it to use 500 MB as FAT, 500MB as swap and the rest should be ext2 |
| 08:09.14 | KotCzarny | and? |
| 08:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | 500MB swap? :\ |
| 08:09.51 | matahari | but when i boot from sd, and i enter "df -h" 1) it shows me that /dev/mmcblk1p2 is only 4MB in size |
| 08:10.08 | matahari | and strangely it uses the internal card to boot |
| 08:10.13 | matahari | (seems so) |
| 08:10.17 | zap | 500Mb looks like a bit of overkill :) |
| 08:10.18 | KotCzarny | then you did something wrong |
| 08:10.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:10.22 | zap | greedy you :) |
| 08:10.25 | matahari | really strange |
| 08:10.45 | matahari | i did everything like in the howto, i just exchanged mmcblk0 with mmcblk1 |
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| 08:10.52 | GeneralAntilles | zap, 62.5MB? :P |
| 08:11.07 | GeneralAntilles | matahari, you entered the wrong numbers in sfdisk. |
| 08:11.08 | zap | GeneralAntilles: 256 max should be usable |
| 08:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | zap, Mb == megabit, MB == megabyte |
| 08:11.43 | matahari | GeneralAntilles: but why is booting from SD possible? |
| 08:11.51 | KotCzarny | why not? |
| 08:12.05 | matahari | it is not booting from internal sd, but it says it's booting from internal sd |
| 08:12.09 | zap | GeneralAntilles: in this case, mibibytes |
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| 08:12.25 | zap | sorry, Mebibyte %-O |
| 08:12.37 | matahari | okay, so i should clone again? |
| 08:12.41 | KotCzarny | chibibyte? |
| 08:12.47 | GeneralAntilles | Most retarded name ever. |
| 08:12.50 | KotCzarny | matahari: check partitions layout first |
| 08:12.58 | GeneralAntilles | Whoever thought that bit of nonsense up needs to be slaughtered. |
| 08:13.02 | matahari | sfdisk -l says the following: |
| 08:13.10 | KotCzarny | pastebin.com |
| 08:13.32 | zap | 1MiB = 2^10KiB = 2^20 bytes :0-] |
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| 08:14.47 | matahari | patebin.com/m50714737 |
| 08:14.54 | matahari | pastebin.com/m50714737 |
| 08:15.34 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 08:15.51 | KotCzarny | sidenote: fix your internal partition layout |
| 08:15.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:16.03 | KotCzarny | or expect vfat corruption |
| 08:16.05 | KotCzarny | sooner or later |
| 08:16.12 | KotCzarny | 100% guaranteed |
| 08:16.25 | matahari | KotCzarny: there are errors in the internal layout? |
| 08:16.28 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 08:16.31 | KotCzarny | check the numbers |
| 08:16.37 | KotCzarny | Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 61440 cylinders |
| 08:16.43 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.49 | matahari | oh! |
| 08:16.55 | KotCzarny | factory error |
| 08:17.10 | matahari | so, repartitioning should work? |
| 08:17.21 | KotCzarny | as for the other card, remove that fourth partition |
| 08:17.25 | KotCzarny | to remove confusion |
| 08:17.59 | matahari | how can i remove it with sfdisk? |
| 08:18.14 | KotCzarny | sfdisk --help ? |
| 08:18.29 | KotCzarny | i'm not that intimate with sfdisk |
| 08:18.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:18.58 | qwerty12_N800 | sfdisk is retarded. parted in extras would be nice. |
| 08:19.13 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: sfdisk is the tool included in busybox |
| 08:19.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:19.23 | matahari | or cfdisk would be nice |
| 08:19.27 | KotCzarny | does it's work |
| 08:19.37 | KotCzarny | and can be scripted |
| 08:19.40 | qwerty12_N800 | meh, makes no difference to me, still is an odd pos |
| 08:19.54 | qwerty12_N800 | matahari: Stskeeps has cfdisk |
| 08:20.52 | matahari | cool |
| 08:20.59 | matahari | okay, back to my sd problem |
| 08:21.10 | matahari | i will repartition and clone it again |
| 08:21.21 | matahari | how big shall the swap partition be max? |
| 08:21.24 | KotCzarny | nah, try just rebooting |
| 08:21.35 | qwerty12_N800 | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/dependancies/cfdisk.deb |
| 08:21.42 | matahari | thx |
| 08:21.49 | KotCzarny | shouldn't it be 'dependencies' ? |
| 08:21.49 | matahari | just rebooting? |
| 08:22.15 | KotCzarny | yup 'e' |
| 08:22.28 | KotCzarny | matahari: yup |
| 08:22.39 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: maybe, but i don't think he would be keen on rewriting every link and his scripts ;) |
| 08:22.54 | KotCzarny | qwerty: lazy! |
| 08:23.10 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 08:23.18 | KotCzarny | apparently it's brit version |
| 08:23.23 | KotCzarny | us version uses 'a' |
| 08:23.52 | KotCzarny | stupid americans |
| 08:23.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:24.01 | KotCzarny | hides |
| 08:24.25 | matahari | okay, rebooted |
| 08:24.34 | KotCzarny | how's the df? |
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| 08:26.53 | matahari | http://pastebin.com/m48e82d6d |
| 08:27.38 | KotCzarny | i think you can ignore that first line |
| 08:27.44 | KotCzarny | it's initfs |
| 08:27.49 | matahari | ok |
| 08:28.00 | KotCzarny | and your / is on # |
| 08:28.05 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.26 | matahari | that means my / is on the internal storage card? |
| 08:28.30 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 08:28.43 | matahari | why that???? i didn't want that |
| 08:28.58 | matahari | i wanted that everything runs from the external card, and is not touching the internal card... |
| 08:29.03 | matahari | i think i missed something.... |
| 08:29.38 | KotCzarny | unless it's just lying |
| 08:30.36 | KotCzarny | but numbers are consistent with your earlier partition table i think |
| 08:31.13 | matahari | the funny thing is that there is no partition mmcblk0p2! |
| 08:31.24 | matahari | mmcblk0 has only one partition |
| 08:32.44 | KotCzarny | my question is where did it found that 600+mb partition |
| 08:32.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:33.15 | matahari | my question too.... |
| 08:33.20 | matahari | it's all extremely strange |
| 08:33.31 | KotCzarny | some defaults in the cloning script? |
| 08:33.33 | matahari | but i did it exactly using the howto.... |
| 08:33.44 | KotCzarny | you didn't adapted to your partition layout? |
| 08:33.55 | KotCzarny | ie. creating big partition |
| 08:34.03 | KotCzarny | but small filesystem on it |
| 08:34.33 | KotCzarny | it should be 3+ gigs, right? |
| 08:35.09 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 08:35.22 | matahari | i adapted it |
| 08:35.32 | KotCzarny | another idea is that you cloned to internal partition |
| 08:35.33 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:35.43 | KotCzarny | somehow |
| 08:35.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:35.55 | matahari | i used for p1: 1,15000,6 p2: 15001, 100000,82 p3: 115001, ,83 |
| 08:36.43 | KotCzarny | i assume you don't have any useful data on sd int/ext, right? |
| 08:37.09 | KotCzarny | try deleting internal partitions, and using only blk1 ones when cloning |
| 08:37.37 | matahari | sorry, i don't understand. how do you mean? |
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| 08:37.48 | KotCzarny | do over |
| 08:37.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:38.12 | KotCzarny | checking what and where |
| 08:38.40 | KotCzarny | and you don't need p3 |
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| 08:39.22 | matahari | okay |
| 08:39.56 | matahari | so you mean i shall delete all partitions on int and ext? |
| 08:40.01 | matahari | and then make a new part table? |
| 08:40.06 | KotCzarny | to be free of confusion |
| 08:40.19 | matahari | okay |
| 08:40.23 | KotCzarny | because apparently at some point you messed blk0 and blk1 |
| 08:40.27 | matahari | ok |
| 08:40.27 | KotCzarny | but it's just my guess |
| 08:40.47 | matahari | and i shall not create a swap parititon? |
| 08:41.00 | KotCzarny | you can create it later |
| 08:41.26 | KotCzarny | or just use swapfile |
| 08:41.40 | matahari | OK |
| 08:41.47 | matahari | will take some time |
| 08:41.49 | matahari | thanks |
| 08:41.54 | RST38h | The US Army will have to pay $25,000 for each weapon, plus $25 for each programmable 25mm round. |
| 08:42.01 | RST38h | This is for a MACHINE GUN. |
| 08:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | Assault rifle. :P |
| 08:42.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:42.18 | RST38h | Ok, assault rifle. |
| 08:42.19 | GeneralAntilles | But they're so awesome. |
| 08:42.37 | KotCzarny | deficit? what deficit |
| 08:42.39 | RST38h | Not when they are paid off from my taxes |
| 08:42.44 | KotCzarny | we've got guns |
| 08:42.44 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:43.15 | qwerty12_N800 | would ask for a weapon from them but when they saw me, i'd be the target :p |
| 08:43.19 | KotCzarny | what can you do? |
| 08:43.27 | RST38h | Not pay taxes? |
| 08:43.42 | KotCzarny | they say irs is worse than army |
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| 08:45.18 | KotCzarny | not to mention there's no use in keeping money |
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| 08:49.45 | prak | does anyone know if gpecalendar has been made to sync to google calendar on a n810? |
| 08:49.59 | qwerty12_N800 | erming |
| 08:50.12 | qwerty12_N800 | smthing like that anyway |
| 08:50.54 | prak | is erming another software? |
| 08:51.07 | qwerty12_N800 | yes. it's in extras. |
| 08:52.03 | prak | thanks |
| 08:59.37 | qwerty12_N800 | makes a note to remember to delete userport driver before installing vista |
| 08:59.59 | KotCzarny | better delete whole vista |
| 09:00.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:00.41 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, i don't have an xp mce disk that will accept my hp oem key |
| 09:00.53 | KotCzarny | download one? |
| 09:01.18 | melmoth | seen ajf |
| 09:01.31 | qwerty12_N800 | can't be arsed in all honesty to do so |
| 09:01.33 | melmoth | how does the 'seen' bot command works again ? |
| 09:01.36 | qwerty12_N800 | ~seen ajf |
| 09:01.37 | infobot | i haven't seen 'ajf', qwerty12_N800 |
| 09:01.49 | melmoth | grumble |
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| 09:28.37 | matahari | KotCzarny: i think i messed everything up again |
| 09:28.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:28.48 | matahari | mmcblk0 = mmc2 and mmcblk1 = mmc1? |
| 09:28.53 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 09:29.05 | matahari | now it won't boot from sd anymore |
| 09:29.17 | matahari | maybe some bootmenu setting is wrong... |
| 09:29.21 | KotCzarny | well, maybe |
| 09:29.29 | KotCzarny | try doing as i suggested |
| 09:29.37 | KotCzarny | to remove all partitions on internal sd |
| 09:29.37 | matahari | but the default file should be fine as i read |
| 09:29.47 | KotCzarny | and trying all boot options |
| 09:30.01 | matahari | i removed all partitions on int an ext and created new partitions |
| 09:30.41 | KotCzarny | and it didn't boot no matter what mmc you choose? |
| 09:30.55 | matahari | well, didn't tried the internal |
| 09:30.56 | matahari | one sec |
| 09:32.32 | matahari | internal doesn't work too |
| 09:32.50 | KotCzarny | hum |
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| 09:34.39 | matahari | the strange thing is that in bootmenu external = mmc2 and internal = immc2 |
| 09:34.55 | KotCzarny | bootmenu is configurable |
| 09:35.01 | lukegee | hi there, question: I'm going to buy a nokia n810. my question is what irc client do you advise me |
| 09:35.25 | KotCzarny | lukegee: x-chat, pidgin, epic, irsii, whatever you like |
| 09:36.04 | qwerty12 | lukegee, what client are you using now? |
| 09:36.09 | lukegee | hm I would prefer xchat, but how does ist look on the 800x400 display? isn't it overkill? |
| 09:36.16 | lukegee | qwerty12, xchat |
| 09:36.24 | matahari | KotCzarny: i will configure bootmenu again and try again |
| 09:36.25 | qwerty12 | lukegee, works perfectly on N800 even |
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| 09:36.47 | KotCzarny | lukegee, make your window 800x480 then and see |
| 09:36.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:37.11 | KotCzarny | more like 700x400 though |
| 09:37.31 | qwerty12 | lukegee, http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.media/xchat.png & http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemoirc.jpg |
| 09:37.56 | KotCzarny | qwerty, isn't it some old version? |
| 09:38.13 | lukegee | hm ok I think that would be ok |
| 09:38.15 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, xchat for chinook/diablo is the same in all honesty |
| 09:38.19 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 09:39.04 | lukegee | and how does software downloads work? afaik maemo uses apt-get, not? |
| 09:39.12 | lukegee | (sry, for my probably bad english ;) ) |
| 09:39.19 | KotCzarny | there is graphical app man |
| 09:39.21 | qwerty12 | lukegee, yep, apt-get & dpkg with a front end |
| 09:39.30 | lukegee | ok, nice |
| 09:39.31 | lukegee | thanks |
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| 09:55.10 | KotCzarny | qwerty: having fun? |
| 09:55.36 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, of course :P |
| 09:55.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 10:01.19 | liri | my country isn't exactly in a square shape and I wanted to get all of it but there are many dead areas (ocean) so I'm downloading maps in chunks of longs' and latit', maemo mapper would be able to manage that, right? |
| 10:01.36 | KotCzarny | manage what? |
| 10:03.01 | liri | the navigation |
| 10:03.14 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 10:03.29 | liri | I mean, it's just pictures so I'm hoping it wouldn't have a problem |
| 10:03.43 | KotCzarny | you are talking about maps or navigation now? |
| 10:03.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:03.56 | liri | uhh.. didn't realize it's not the same |
| 10:03.59 | liri | well, maps I think |
| 10:04.05 | KotCzarny | maps are bitmaps usually |
| 10:04.15 | KotCzarny | navigation uses vectorized paths |
| 10:04.17 | liri | I'm doing the download with winmapper, it's easier for me because there are many "squares" |
| 10:04.36 | KotCzarny | unless i'm missing something |
| 10:04.56 | liri | so to do navigation I also need to download "route" for the same long/lat? |
| 10:05.16 | KotCzarny | probably.. unless it's included |
| 10:05.33 | liri | yickes |
| 10:05.47 | KotCzarny | you may try testing it on something small |
| 10:05.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:07.53 | liri | yeah that's what I'm going to do |
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| 10:16.44 | lcuk | smiles |
| 10:18.18 | KotCzarny | rst38h: http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/09/23/bailout-paulson-congress-biz-beltway-cx_jz_bw_0923bailout.html |
| 10:18.19 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 10:32.37 | matan | liri: Are you talking about Israel? |
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| 10:33.11 | liri | matan: hey matan, yeah. |
| 10:33.26 | liri | matan: did you just get all of israel in one chunk of long/lat? |
| 10:34.43 | matan | liri: Please try freemap-il. I added it to extras-devel repo yesterday. |
| 10:36.01 | liri | matan: is that the roadmap_editor version of freemap.co.il? |
| 10:36.14 | matan | Yes. |
| 10:36.39 | liri | matan: we already got that working with your binaries |
| 10:37.07 | matan | liri: Then what advantage does maemo mapper have? |
| 10:37.20 | liri | matan: I think using maemo mapper in this case is better though cause google got everything mapped out already and the maps are MUCH cleaner to understand |
| 10:38.43 | liri | matan: did you trying using maemo mapper with Israeli maps for navigation? |
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| 10:45.32 | matan | I don't think it will work. maemo mapper routing uses a script on gnuite's site. This will need to be changed. |
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| 11:37.39 | matahari | i messed things up with my n810 again. I cloned using the howto provided in the wiki (adapting them to the external SD). i documented all steps here: http://pastebin.com/m1446f235 . Now my n810 hangs on booting from SD showing only the NOKIA screen with the progress bar.... |
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| 11:48.16 | matahari | KotCzarny: could you please take a look? |
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| 12:32.21 | AStorm | seems like modest from diablo can't read utf8 subjects |
| 12:33.56 | AStorm | that means, I get ?utf-8?... |
| 12:34.13 | AStorm | and undecoded quoted printable |
| 12:35.45 | AStorm | or maybe linux bugzilla is sending these wrong... |
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| 12:51.53 | nikosapi | Is there a way to access the root parition of an n810 that doesn't boot all the way? |
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| 12:58.18 | AStorm | nikosapi: yes, by modifying initfs |
| 12:58.34 | AStorm | or changing startup scripts |
| 12:59.15 | nikosapi | can I do that without having to reflash? |
| 12:59.54 | AStorm | you can flash partially, e.g. just initfs |
| 13:00.08 | nikosapi | oh really? :D |
| 13:00.19 | AStorm | yarly |
| 13:01.21 | AStorm | what's the recommended way of getting root on diablo? |
| 13:01.44 | nikosapi | I think it's to install the rootsh package available in the extras repo |
| 13:01.59 | nikosapi | (you have to enable it first) |
| 13:02.17 | nikosapi | then you can run rootsh or su gainroot |
| 13:04.32 | AStorm | ok, worked well |
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| 13:20.42 | mavhc | has anyone run any of the google mobile apps on an n810? |
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| 13:22.08 | johnx | mavhc, you mean with palmOS emulation? |
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| 13:24.17 | StsN800 | lo johnx |
| 13:24.20 | AStorm | hmm, is there a way to display alt/title tag with maemo-browser? |
| 13:24.30 | johnx | lo StsN800. how goes your adventure? |
| 13:25.22 | StsN800 | was quite good, was nice to get away to recharge a bit |
| 13:25.52 | StsN800 | stepped off plane 20 min ago |
| 13:25.53 | mavhc | johnx: suppose it's either that or java if that works |
| 13:26.26 | johnx | StsN800, well, I have a setup that I'm willing to call "good enough" for matchbox-keyboard |
| 13:27.06 | StsN800 | sawfish + lxde? |
| 13:27.11 | johnx | Yup |
| 13:27.20 | johnx | sawfish+anything would be fine I'm sure |
| 13:27.32 | StsN800 | what quirks then? |
| 13:28.16 | johnx | you have to move or remaximize windows after you pull up the keyboard |
| 13:28.32 | StsN800 | ah |
| 13:28.57 | johnx | I want to get something out now that's an improvement on the current situation, then I'll look at scripting movement of the windows and remaximizing |
| 13:29.20 | johnx | I *know* that I can do what I'm thinking of with sawfish...it's just a matter of figuring it out |
| 13:29.21 | StsN800 | *nod* |
| 13:30.17 | AStorm | johnx, mine will be better.. I'll try to get awesome-3 to work |
| 13:30.35 | johnx | AStorm, what are you working on? |
| 13:30.54 | AStorm | do we have xcb-enabled packages? |
| 13:31.20 | AStorm | (cairo to be exact) |
| 13:31.21 | StsN800 | seems that my apt installer got received well so i'll push out a new installer soon |
| 13:32.07 | johnx | AStorm, if debian has them, we do :) |
| 13:32.17 | johnx | AStorm, coding a new keyboard or what? |
| 13:32.31 | StsN800 | and my friend got his 770 so we'll make a minimal one for it |
| 13:33.02 | AStorm | johnx, problem, debian doesn't have them |
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| 13:33.15 | AStorm | it's a compile option and few added deps away |
| 13:33.39 | johnx | AStorm, well, we can make a new package and put it in Stskeeps repo I guess |
| 13:33.44 | AStorm | johnx, awesome is a wm :> not sure if its mouse support is good enough |
| 13:33.52 | johnx | AStorm, aaah |
| 13:34.45 | johnx | AStorm, well, this is debian, we have room for lots of desktops...but I'll keep going with my project too :) |
| 13:34.46 | AStorm | otoh, I can finish mine wm... which uses pure gtk... but is in python, not too tablet-friendly |
| 13:35.12 | AStorm | *my even |
| 13:35.22 | StsN800 | my next steps is apt repo mirroring, signing and uploading packages from maintainers |
| 13:39.43 | StsN800 | .. and look at qoles dm-loop for deblet-in-a-file, and b-mans cdeb2 |
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| 13:53.47 | RST38h | ~curse MIPS instruction set for not providing in-opcode shifts, 32bit immediates, register+register addressation, stack operations, and just being plain stupid |
| 13:53.48 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, MIPS instruction set for not providing in-opcode shifts, 32bit immediates, register+register addressation, stack operations, and just being plain stupid ! |
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| 13:54.14 | johnx | RST38h, too RISCy? |
| 13:55.02 | johnx | RST38h, actually, you've worked with ARM, MIPS and x86 right?...which is your favorite (or least hated)? |
| 13:58.52 | RST38h | johnx: PDP11 |
| 13:59.15 | johnx | RST38h, really, so when's the VGBA port to PDP11 gonna be finished? :P |
| 13:59.20 | RST38h | Seriously, ARM is the most reasonable one, out of the three listed |
| 13:59.48 | RST38h | johnx: When you provide me with a 2GHz 32bit PDP11 =) |
| 13:59.58 | johnx | heh |
| 14:00.00 | RST38h | Have I mentioned superscalar? =) |
| 14:00.47 | johnx | hey, if it can run Unix I don't see why it couldn't play video games. Just optimize more! *cracks the whip* |
| 14:01.01 | RST38h | Z80 can run Unix. |
| 14:01.13 | RST38h | Does not mean a thing =) |
| 14:01.27 | johnx | yeah, forgot the </sarcasm> |
| 14:01.34 | johnx | I assumed it was implied :P |
| 14:01.40 | RST38h | Canon G10 high-ISO images are in - not as bad as expected |
| 14:02.46 | johnx | anyways, I tried vgba today. Metroid is playable now, but not quite full speed. I'll probably be perfectly happy playing turn based RPGs though, so I'm happy |
| 14:03.16 | RST38h | I suggest avoiding Nintendo's own games - they use too many features, too actively |
| 14:03.26 | johnx | aaah, darn |
| 14:03.35 | RST38h | F-Zero should be ok though |
| 14:03.49 | johnx | *sniff* but I want metroid...*sniff* |
| 14:05.18 | RST38h | Get the real thing or suffer =) |
| 14:05.43 | RST38h | NES or GB version will also work, pretty well on appropriate emulators |
| 14:05.45 | johnx | I'll get a pandora :) |
| 14:06.18 | johnx | why settle for finesse when you can use brute force? :D |
| 14:06.35 | RST38h | my guess is, you will not see Pandora |
| 14:06.42 | RST38h | or, if you do, not for long |
| 14:06.48 | johnx | not for long? |
| 14:06.53 | johnx | think it'll break? |
| 14:07.41 | johnx | anyways, I'm going to bet on it come the 30th, so we'll see I guess :) |
| 14:08.50 | RST38h | No, I think it is a small garage-based operation, very specialized device that has to be made in small batches, limited customer base, no funds to match Nokia or HTC in advertising |
| 14:09.11 | johnx | yeah, well no shit |
| 14:09.26 | RST38h | So they either fail to release it, or they release a lemon (see their prototype), or they release it, 100 people buy it, and they go out of business |
| 14:09.37 | RST38h | The possibilities for disaster boggle the mind |
| 14:10.13 | RST38h | Somehow I have higher hopes for Nokia's devices =) |
| 14:10.14 | johnx | I don't make long shot bets very often. I don't play the lottery. So I'll take one long shot and see if it pays off |
| 14:10.41 | johnx | and if it doesn't you can laugh at me :) |
| 14:10.45 | RST38h | It's not too long a shot - they are promising to release Pandora before Christmas, right? |
| 14:10.51 | johnx | yup |
| 14:10.54 | johnx | preorders on the 30th |
| 14:11.12 | johnx | I've been watching the videos and browsing their svn as it comes together |
| 14:11.52 | johnx | if the only *software* that ever comes out of it is only what I've already seen demoed then I'll still be happy |
| 14:12.05 | RST38h | Then it is only 3 months for scenario #1 (no-release) and about 15 months for scenario #2 (no-sell) |
| 14:12.27 | RST38h | pretty short bets |
| 14:12.38 | johnx | they're doing it in made-to-order batches to avoid going bankrupt I believe |
| 14:12.57 | johnx | so the first will be 3000 then they'll look at demand and do a second batch of some number |
| 14:13.22 | RST38h | 3000 is pretty large batch |
| 14:13.32 | RST38h | Actually, just large enough to get Chinese interested |
| 14:13.43 | johnx | well, TI is involved too |
| 14:14.02 | RST38h | TI isn't making or selling these |
| 14:14.12 | johnx | right of course |
| 14:14.16 | johnx | their mailing list for when preorders start had 10,000 people signed up a couple weeks ago |
| 14:14.18 | RST38h | It is providing development support, "enabling" (C)Intel |
| 14:14.37 | RST38h | 10k actual preorders? cool |
| 14:14.43 | johnx | heh |
| 14:14.52 | johnx | not preorders, people waiting for the preorder info |
| 14:15.05 | RST38h | but if they are making 3k, I think the actual number of preorders is 2-3k |
| 14:15.08 | RST38h | ah |
| 14:15.59 | johnx | like, I said. we'll see preorder demand by how quickly 3000 preorders are sold out |
| 14:17.01 | johnx | then it will be a more interesting discussion |
| 14:17.45 | RST38h | yep |
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| 14:17.58 | RST38h | Also depends on how they build their developer community |
| 14:18.14 | RST38h | *If* they reach the same success with developers as GamePark, they have got a chance |
| 14:18.32 | johnx | many of the gamepark devs are coming over to the pandora |
| 14:18.38 | johnx | tons of stuff has already been shown running |
| 14:18.55 | RST38h | well it is a rather generic arm |
| 14:18.59 | RST38h | not difficult to port |
| 14:19.14 | johnx | of course |
| 14:19.18 | MangoFusion | panora vs NIT. i need to see a stress test |
| 14:19.27 | MangoFusion | is it released yet? ;) |
| 14:19.43 | johnx | Stress test? speed or physical design? |
| 14:19.47 | RST38h | screams BLEZ! BGTZ! and flaming monkeys fly out of his ears |
| 14:19.52 | MangoFusion | the works |
| 14:21.12 | MangoFusion | from whether or not the PIM is good, to whether or not it can survive being driven over by a tank |
| 14:21.32 | johnx | heh...don't count on any PIM software that didn't come from somewhere else |
| 14:21.37 | johnx | this is a hacker's toy |
| 14:21.55 | johnx | bring your own software :) |
| 14:23.03 | johnx | emulators will be there. some type of launcher for the emulators will be there. a port of some media player will be there. other than that you get a kernel and some drivers. have fun! |
| 14:25.43 | AStorm | Ehh.. need real task manager for n810 |
| 14:25.53 | johnx | ps? |
| 14:25.54 | AStorm | (as in PIM with alarms) |
| 14:26.08 | AStorm | not that kind :P |
| 14:26.12 | johnx | ah |
| 14:26.21 | RST38h | mo#$^&*#ing MIPS uses register #0 to permanently hold 0 constant |
| 14:26.37 | AStorm | so what? |
| 14:26.40 | AStorm | it does |
| 14:26.43 | RST38h | That is what you get for letting academicians design an instruction set |
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| 14:27.09 | AStorm | well, many insns don't take consts |
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| 14:27.21 | RST38h | and many do =) |
| 14:27.31 | AStorm | yes, so #0 is nice to have |
| 14:27.51 | AStorm | gbe happy that it has 4x the registers of x86 |
| 14:27.55 | RST38h | I would prefer to have an arbitrary constant as an argument |
| 14:28.04 | RST38h | I can't make use of these registers |
| 14:28.23 | RST38h | Because register-indexed-by-register addressation is not there |
| 14:28.40 | AStorm | load/store architecture |
| 14:29.12 | RST38h | load/store architecture does not mean you have to maim your in-processor operations this much |
| 14:29.13 | AStorm | you can have load with offset |
| 14:29.20 | RST38h | ARM is also load/store architecture |
| 14:29.27 | RST38h | with a *constant* offset :) |
| 14:29.33 | AStorm | they went for orthogonal 32-bit insns |
| 14:29.40 | AStorm | so what? |
| 14:29.48 | RST38h | so freaking orthogonal... |
| 14:29.52 | AStorm | can't use add? |
| 14:29.56 | AStorm | :P |
| 14:30.12 | AStorm | ARM is not a true risc :> |
| 14:30.14 | RST38h | Extras add means extra 32bits to read from ram |
| 14:30.25 | RST38h | AStorm: Thanks Cthulhu for that |
| 14:30.38 | AStorm | still faster than 1 bit on everything |
| 14:30.44 | RST38h | I have got a 2MB (!) MIPS binary |
| 14:30.53 | RST38h | Where ARM goes by with 500kB |
| 14:31.03 | AStorm | because it's cisc |
| 14:31.05 | RST38h | AStorm: It is not faster. |
| 14:31.31 | RST38h | AStorm: Because the RAM in embedded devices is so slow and the caches are virtually non-existant, this thing is SLOW |
| 14:31.32 | AStorm | x86 is almost as small than standard arm (not thumb) |
| 14:31.45 | AStorm | so what? |
| 14:31.45 | RST38h | x86 is a different animal |
| 14:32.03 | RST38h | x86 is definitely NOT RISC. ARM is more of a RISC |
| 14:32.13 | AStorm | there's risc and cisc |
| 14:32.22 | RST38h | AStorm: 400MHz MIPS runs VGBA at 10fps |
| 14:32.22 | AStorm | here's no "more risc" |
| 14:32.31 | AStorm | yup |
| 14:32.34 | johnx | RST38h, well, MHz doesn't mean much |
| 14:32.38 | AStorm | because :) |
| 14:32.42 | RST38h | AStorm: Compare with 400MHz ARM in N8x0 and you will know why I am pissed. |
| 14:32.45 | johnx | think armv5 vs armv6 |
| 14:32.54 | RST38h | johnx: Does not matter, really |
| 14:33.02 | AStorm | mips has poor simd |
| 14:33.04 | RST38h | johnx: What matters is clocks-per-read |
| 14:33.10 | RST38h | mips has no simd |
| 14:33.21 | AStorm | there have been extensions |
| 14:33.23 | RST38h | but so does arm, as far as my stuff is concerned |
| 14:33.42 | RST38h | AStorm: Apparently, *these* Chinese copied MIPS arch before extensions :) |
| 14:34.08 | AStorm | they probably have their own propietary simd |
| 14:34.22 | johnx | RST38h, what device is this? |
| 14:34.27 | RST38h | Not likely, although I am still awaiting a decent datasheet from them |
| 14:34.31 | RST38h | johnx: ICNexus |
| 14:34.43 | AStorm | loongsun cpu? |
| 14:34.59 | RST38h | How do I save/load from stack in MIPS? |
| 14:35.03 | RST38h | Is there a pseudoop? |
| 14:35.03 | johnx | ah, right. I was thinking about the linux MIPS-based laptop-thing that I saw |
| 14:35.35 | RST38h | johnx: avoid like plague. |
| 14:35.56 | AStorm | there is |
| 14:36.12 | johnx | RST38h, I'll try and find one on at a street vendor, next time I'm on a certain street... |
| 14:36.19 | johnx | ...just to play with |
| 14:36.29 | RST38h | johnx: avoid like plague. |
| 14:36.41 | RST38h | get an arm-based thingie. |
| 14:37.02 | johnx | RST38h, I don't want to *buy* it. I want them to *think* I'm buying it so they let me play |
| 14:37.27 | johnx | I'm hopeful, not dumb |
| 14:37.44 | AStorm | RST38h, wrong, there's no real one |
| 14:37.51 | AStorm | some assemblers have it |
| 14:39.31 | AStorm | use addi and sw on $sp |
| 14:39.53 | AStorm | some assemblers have a push pseudoop |
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| 14:44.13 | RST38h | johnx: Ah |
| 14:44.22 | RST38h | AStorm: made a macro |
| 14:44.52 | AStorm | better do it by hand if storing a lot of stuff at once |
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| 14:55.33 | RST38h | AStorm: not replacing ldmia with it |
| 14:57.13 | AStorm | except you'd be incrementing only once |
| 14:58.02 | AStorm | mips indeed needs more and faster memory to shine |
| 14:58.14 | AStorm | it wasn't designed for embedded applications |
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| 15:00.19 | RST38h | the only use it is still finding though |
| 15:00.46 | AStorm | except consoles? |
| 15:01.33 | RST38h | consoles are embedded devices too |
| 15:01.42 | AStorm | it's popular because it's cheap |
| 15:01.46 | RST38h | and it is no longer in consoles... |
| 15:01.58 | RST38h | about as cheap as arm |
| 15:02.07 | AStorm | no, cheaper |
| 15:02.10 | RST38h | mips is open architecture though |
| 15:02.21 | RST38h | no need to pay for copying it |
| 15:02.22 | AStorm | you can buy a licence with synthesis software |
| 15:02.27 | AStorm | exactly |
| 15:02.38 | AStorm | and it's cheap in transistors |
| 15:02.50 | AStorm | (though arm is cheap too) |
| 15:02.52 | RST38h | no shit, with braindamaged instruction set like that... |
| 15:03.09 | RST38h | in any case, you mostly pay for cache in these chips |
| 15:03.16 | AStorm | yes |
| 15:03.25 | RST38h | the cpu circuitry itself is smaller than caches |
| 15:05.01 | johnx | which is probably why higher performance devices are using ARMs these days... |
| 15:05.26 | johnx | also, is MIPS continuing to evolve as much as ARM, recently? |
| 15:05.31 | AStorm | because arm uses cache more efficiently |
| 15:05.54 | AStorm | no, MIPS is mostly stalled |
| 15:05.55 | AStorm | who votes for m64k? |
| 15:05.57 | AStorm | :P |
| 15:07.51 | AStorm | heck, I had to code for 8051 - now that is weird arch |
| 15:11.07 | matan | 5 years ago I used dual core 2x1GHz 64bit MIPS (broadcom 1250), which ran fanless at 2x600MHz, so could not have used too much power. I guess arm still have some catch up to do. |
| 15:12.16 | XTL | Mmm 8051 |
| 15:12.28 | johnx | matan, well the cortex a8 is a start :) |
| 15:14.04 | RST38h | m68k you wanted to ask? |
| 15:14.34 | RST38h | throws up at the mention of 80x51 |
| 15:15.22 | AStorm | RST38h, yes, braino ;) |
| 15:16.16 | AStorm | anyway, that arch has more cowbell |
| 15:16.37 | ShadowJK | was that dual core or dual cpu? :) |
| 15:17.48 | ville_ | is anyone by any chance using "fremantle"? |
| 15:18.08 | AStorm | no, it's not out yet |
| 15:18.11 | RST38h | AStorm: 68k is said to be designed after PDP11 =) |
| 15:18.17 | RST38h | so I guess it has to be good |
| 15:18.19 | ville_ | ok, I figured as much ;-) |
| 15:18.29 | RST38h | ville: was it a trick question? =) |
| 15:18.59 | ville_ | er, actually not. I was just hoping that someone might be using the private stuff |
| 15:19.20 | ville_ | (but that's a bit out of scope for public irc anyway) |
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| 15:20.05 | NickPitlosh | hello |
| 15:21.38 | AStorm | i suspect it'll be out with the next device, which is supposed to use omap3 and have hspa modem |
| 15:22.02 | ShadowJK | I wonder if the hspa modem will have "legacy" gprs/edge support |
| 15:22.20 | AStorm | why not? it's just one chip |
| 15:22.27 | johnx | ShadowJK, are there any HSPA modems without that capability? |
| 15:22.41 | AStorm | and I'll guess nokia will just reuse their latest one |
| 15:23.03 | AStorm | I know no such crippled modems |
| 15:24.55 | ShadowJK | cool |
| 15:25.08 | ShadowJK | so with the sip client you'd effectively have a phone then ;) |
| 15:25.10 | Jaredu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuY_fglmD8&sdig=1 |
| 15:25.12 | Jaredu | new liqbase :D |
| 15:25.21 | ShadowJK | although a bit lagged one if only gprs is available |
| 15:25.47 | AStorm | uhm... it will be standard modem... with sim card |
| 15:26.02 | AStorm | so, you should be able to call as usual |
| 15:26.14 | AStorm | (assuming driver support) |
| 15:26.30 | ShadowJK | i dont htink you can call with those external modems attached to laptops though? |
| 15:26.45 | AStorm | you can with some :> |
| 15:28.52 | AStorm | it's just gsm-compressed audio data tbh |
| 15:29.44 | ShadowJK | just signed up with this cool VoIP service with a local telco. You can have as many VoIP clients attached as you want. Like, the old landline phone through ata adapter hooked up to broadband, my cellphone's VoIP client over WLAN or edge/3g, etc, and they all ring at the same time :) |
| 15:30.35 | AStorm | well, you have call waiting service in gsm too :P |
| 15:30.59 | AStorm | i can't see the point though |
| 15:32.34 | AStorm | unless it's some true conference |
| 15:32.52 | AStorm | then it's cool (but expensive :P) |
| 15:32.55 | Jaredu | is it sad that my tablet can do google maps better than mah pc? |
| 15:33.00 | Jaredu | silly vista.. |
| 15:33.15 | AStorm | usee Firefox :> |
| 15:33.17 | Jaredu | even with quad core 8gb ram and 9800gtx a nokia tablet > in os software xD |
| 15:33.18 | Jaredu | i do |
| 15:33.23 | Jaredu | <3 firefox |
| 15:33.30 | Jaredu | im going through a huge headache of getting fennec on the n810 |
| 15:33.37 | Jaredu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.42 | Jaredu | but i get a segmentation fault |
| 15:33.44 | Jaredu | so i cant install |
| 15:33.53 | qwerty12 | segfault? where? |
| 15:33.59 | Jaredu | during install |
| 15:34.04 | Jaredu | leaves xulrunner unconfigured |
| 15:34.08 | Jaredu | and bricks my installs |
| 15:34.15 | qwerty12 | Hmm, can you pastebin a lot? |
| 15:34.17 | qwerty12 | *log |
| 15:34.17 | Jaredu | then fennec looks weird |
| 15:34.26 | Jaredu | i did on pastebin.mozilla.org |
| 15:34.30 | Jaredu | but its been like a day |
| 15:34.33 | Jaredu | i dunno if it's still there |
| 15:34.35 | Jaredu | it probably is |
| 15:34.51 | Jaredu | can i search for posts there? |
| 15:34.52 | Jaredu | o.O |
| 15:35.14 | qwerty12 | checks maemo irc logs |
| 15:35.23 | Jaredu | i was on mozilla irc |
| 15:35.30 | Jaredu | irc.mozilla.org |
| 15:35.37 | Jaredu | talked with blassey and such |
| 15:35.51 | Jaredu | it appears the error only happens on some people and they dont know what causes it |
| 15:36.07 | Jaredu | ive tried installing from .debs, ive tried with wget, and ive tried with both app manager and apt-get |
| 15:36.10 | Jaredu | it always gives seg fault |
| 15:36.18 | Jaredu | theres a bug report on it |
| 15:36.29 | qwerty12 | Does the error always occur with xulrunner? If so, mind pointing me to the location of the deb? |
| 15:36.47 | Jaredu | one moment |
| 15:36.49 | Jaredu | ill get a link |
| 15:37.23 | Jaredu | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Releases |
| 15:37.24 | Jaredu | its in there |
| 15:37.31 | Jaredu | ftpftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/ |
| 15:37.33 | Jaredu | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/ |
| 15:37.42 | qwerty12 | k, thanks |
| 15:38.00 | Jaredu | np |
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| 15:38.19 | johnx | oh man. the latest liqbase looks really hot |
| 15:38.27 | Jaredu | i know dude! |
| 15:38.30 | Jaredu | it looks awesome :D |
| 15:38.36 | Jaredu | i got a youtube email from subscription heh |
| 15:39.03 | johnx | I wonder about webkit with a liqbase backend... |
| 15:39.09 | Jaredu | o.O |
| 15:39.16 | Jaredu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.24 | Jaredu | *runs to get his tablet |
| 15:39.58 | qwerty12 | Jaredu, What happens if you run "/usr/local/xulrunner/xulrunner --register-global" as root? |
| 15:41.10 | qwerty12 | ~curse realtek download area |
| 15:41.11 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, realtek download area ! |
| 15:42.23 | Jaredu | it starts fennec |
| 15:42.26 | Jaredu | the package is broken |
| 15:42.39 | Jaredu | lemme try though |
| 15:42.45 | Jaredu | want a screenshot of what my fennec looks like? |
| 15:42.50 | Jaredu | even blassey thought it was screwed :D |
| 15:42.52 | Jaredu | one sec |
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| 15:46.20 | Jaredu | http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d163/xx_ty_xx/fennec.png |
| 15:46.25 | Jaredu | from default install my fennec looks like that |
| 15:46.31 | johnx | yes. that's broken |
| 15:46.40 | qwerty12 | Ouch, can it even be used to browse a site? :P |
| 15:46.45 | Jaredu | not at all |
| 15:47.02 | Jaredu | the refresh and plus and option buttons are clickable but they do nothign |
| 15:47.04 | Jaredu | nothing |
| 15:47.08 | Jaredu | i got an idea though |
| 15:47.13 | Jaredu | >:] |
| 15:47.40 | Jaredu | gah |
| 15:47.45 | Jaredu | i hate my menus not being organized anymore |
| 15:47.54 | Jaredu | i had to flash my tablet to get xulrunner off the first time |
| 15:48.03 | Jaredu | i now have some handy code to get rid of it for me :D |
| 15:48.10 | Jaredu | but i lost all my menus and stuff |
| 15:48.12 | Jaredu | :'( |
| 15:48.35 | Jaredu | i found the organize button and made custom menus :D |
| 15:51.27 | Stskeeps | lcuk: insanely cool new liqbase indeed - you're really exploring some new interaction methods |
| 15:51.56 | Jaredu | it looks awesome |
| 15:51.56 | Jaredu | :D |
| 15:52.26 | qwerty12 | Who wants to come with me up North to steal lcuk's computer and his binary for latest liqbase? |
| 15:54.12 | Stskeeps | can i bring beer? |
| 15:54.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 15:54.41 | qwerty12 | Sure, we must make the target drunk as to make him unaware to what is going on :P |
| 15:55.51 | Jaredu | i say it'd save on gas to just ssh into his comp :D |
| 16:01.52 | Jaredu | anyone know how to install a downloaded .deb package with wget -i ? |
| 16:02.01 | Jaredu | like /user/local/~ or something |
| 16:02.05 | Jaredu | i dont know the default dir |
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| 16:05.26 | Stskeeps | dpkg -i? :P |
| 16:05.33 | Jaredu | ah |
| 16:05.33 | Jaredu | yes |
| 16:05.34 | Jaredu | dpkg |
| 16:05.44 | Jaredu | dpkg -i something |
| 16:05.45 | Jaredu | for install |
| 16:06.41 | Jaredu | nvm |
| 16:06.43 | Jaredu | got it :D |
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| 16:21.51 | Jaffa | Evening, all |
| 16:22.18 | woglinde | hi jaffa |
| 16:33.10 | RST38h | moo. |
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| 16:36.11 | Silicium | hi there |
| 16:36.30 | Silicium | where i can find the flash script for n800? |
| 16:38.42 | woglinde | ???? |
| 16:38.45 | woglinde | script? |
| 16:38.54 | Silicium | yea |
| 16:38.58 | Silicium | flash.sh |
| 16:39.05 | woglinde | you dont need a script for flasher |
| 16:39.09 | Silicium | hmm |
| 16:39.15 | Silicium | or how is named? |
| 16:39.20 | woglinde | ~flashing |
| 16:39.20 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:39.26 | Silicium | thanks |
| 16:40.22 | script | who's calling *look up*? |
| 16:41.42 | woglinde | look up? |
| 16:42.01 | woglinde | is n't that a movie with sylvester stallone? |
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| 17:27.46 | Jaredu | 17Jareduhmm12:17Jaredui downloaded way too many packages for xulrunner12:17Jaredui used all my memory12:17Jareduany way to do rm /usr/local/ without bricking the system or is that area just for downloads |
| 17:28.03 | Jaredu | sorry for the copypaste, but i didnt feel like retyping it all lol |
| 17:28.37 | lcuk | Stskeeps, there is a beta signup on itT if you wanna get along it will be cool |
| 17:29.15 | lcuk | i should have everything needed in place in a couple of days :) i spent yesterday cleaning up the codebase and rebuilding the essentials for a package (as well as some other things) |
| 17:30.32 | lcuk | Jaredu, i just saw your comment :) |
| 17:30.47 | Stskeeps | you can include me in there i guess, - the Re: liqbase playtest available call for beta or? |
| 17:30.52 | lcuk | yer |
| 17:31.03 | lcuk | call for assistance |
| 17:31.06 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:31.49 | lcuk | i hoped for more codey types, but that was fine as it stands, beta will be good for binaries |
| 17:31.57 | lcuk | though most things pass my extensive tests |
| 17:32.10 | lcuk | theres only some fringes and seeing how it copes on users machines to do :) |
| 17:32.16 | melmoth | Hola |
| 17:32.16 | Stskeeps | i can review C atleast.. you should hire a bunch of people with aspergers, a bit of autism is good for testing ; |
| 17:32.19 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 17:32.42 | lcuk | yer, i sometimes think thats how i copy |
| 17:32.43 | lcuk | e |
| 17:32.56 | Stskeeps | same here.. if it's managable tedious work i can do it |
| 17:33.02 | melmoth | lcuk: do you plan to make liqbase runnable on scratchbox ? |
| 17:33.12 | lcuk | melmoth, why scratchbox? |
| 17:33.15 | melmoth | all the pressure and idontknowwhatyuvisabout thingy fails |
| 17:33.16 | RST38h | boo, lcuk |
| 17:33.25 | melmoth | because i only have 1 tablet. |
| 17:33.30 | melmoth | i call it "production" |
| 17:33.33 | Stskeeps | lcuk: just want me to post on that thread to indicate i'm interested or just follow the SVN checkout stuff and see what holes i can find? :P |
| 17:34.03 | lcuk | svn is ancient now, just post and subscribe to the thread ill post and mail as many as i can find once its released |
| 17:34.20 | melmoth | "svn is ancient" ts ts ts |
| 17:34.20 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 17:34.27 | lcuk | has nightlies |
| 17:34.38 | melmoth | push lcuk to use garage svn as his working repository. |
| 17:35.43 | lcuk | last time i did that i had "issues" sorting everything out - i spent almost a month of lost dev time just because of a single update :) |
| 17:36.11 | melmoth | hmm. |
| 17:36.28 | melmoth | last time i did that, i just svn diff the previous version, and recommited. Ugly, but it work |
| 17:36.30 | Stskeeps | melmoth: i decided not to use garage svn for my stuff after the whole ErrorDocument debacle and wrong scm paths and such.. |
| 17:37.11 | melmoth | there is a wrong link to the nightly tarball on the garage page for each projetc, but this is the only issue i am aware of. |
| 17:37.23 | lcuk | this codebase is quite extensive and contains modules to do an awful lot of stuff and viable options for a number of things, and i got sidetracked discussing those and making arrangements and stuff |
| 17:37.25 | melmoth | is there another problem with garage svn ? |
| 17:37.25 | Stskeeps | yes, this was back in june, but it kinda put me off garage svn :P |
| 17:37.40 | Stskeeps | then again i'm a grumpy open source developer who was way too spoiled with people throwing hosting at me like candies at schoolchildren |
| 17:38.38 | Stskeeps | lcuk: posted and just prod anytime if you want something reviewed |
| 17:38.52 | lcuk | excellent sts :) |
| 17:39.21 | lcuk | well things have fallen into place quite nicely and just a few bits of garnish to help the beta testers |
| 17:39.32 | lcuk | wants beta testers to enjoy filing bugs |
| 17:40.08 | melmoth | lcuk: please please use the garage stuff, public svn and bugzillalike thing available there. |
| 17:40.29 | RST38h | lcuk, you still need a killer app for the liqbase =) |
| 17:40.34 | lcuk | i have already changed my mind about the closed beta and stuff, yes it will be on garage as far as i know |
| 17:40.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: replace "Home"? :P |
| 17:40.49 | melmoth | \o/ |
| 17:40.52 | lcuk | RST38h, :) |
| 17:41.20 | lcuk | thank god i havent got an iphone, i stopped finger painting a long time ago |
| 17:41.40 | Stskeeps | i would actually love something like liqbase for Home/desktop on maemo |
| 17:41.56 | Stskeeps | abusing zooming and such maybe oto |
| 17:41.58 | lcuk | Stskeeps, :) technically builds on x86 linux :) |
| 17:42.10 | RST38h | Sts: or replace canola engines |
| 17:42.38 | lcuk | as soon as i get dev time i will be rectifying the remaining bugs and then it can be kept in sync |
| 17:43.10 | RST38h | maybe replace the whole bunch of testing stuff you have there with something unified? |
| 17:43.14 | lcuk | i was speaking to one of the edje or other rendering guys recently |
| 17:43.26 | Stskeeps | lcuk: if it was me i'd take stuff like this to researchers within pervasive computing.. could be interesting to see a mix |
| 17:43.30 | RST38h | some kind of finger ui breakthrough like spreadsheets were once? |
| 17:43.50 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i'll demo liqbase to some of the researchers i work with and see if they maybe have some input |
| 17:44.02 | lcuk | yes RST38h :) there is a plan to move liqbase from being my playground to bein a proper app, but somehow having all the different aspects to just play with adds to its appeal |
| 17:44.12 | melmoth | lcuk: do you plan to make it workable for "regular" non touch screen (machine without canvas XSP raw mouse thnigy)? |
| 17:44.20 | lcuk | even if you flick in and out of a module for 10 seconds - thats 10 more seconds of face time which makes you smile :) |
| 17:44.22 | Stskeeps | they're insane for mobile devices and the population of n8x0 tablets on campus is high :P |
| 17:44.25 | melmoth | is still thinking about scratchbox |
| 17:45.00 | lcuk | melmoth, the new build includes a USE_MAEMO switch which if disabled runs on normal mouse driver with no touch sensitivity |
| 17:45.15 | melmoth | excellent. |
| 17:45.19 | lcuk | but tbh having 9 buttons visible from orbit on a 24 inch monitor doesnt work too well |
| 17:45.24 | RST38h | lcuk: My suspicion is, you can *retain* having all the different aspects while adding unified ui |
| 17:45.28 | lcuk | the paradigm is wrong |
| 17:45.40 | lcuk | its the same reason why desktop apps dont work too well on hildon |
| 17:45.58 | RST38h | lcuk: you can think of the thumbnail view as a "universe" of documents |
| 17:46.07 | RST38h | which you navigate with your finger |
| 17:46.10 | lcuk | the graffiti wall is one thing, i meant the menuing |
| 17:46.20 | melmoth | but, one could play on scratchibox with that, and not take the risk to....have to remove the battery of his tablet because bad things may happen. |
| 17:46.25 | lcuk | graffiti is configurable to various scales |
| 17:46.31 | RST38h | every document can have its own type - text, drawing, physics sim, even web browser |
| 17:46.35 | lcuk | i only removed the adjustable size recently with new ui backend |
| 17:46.57 | RST38h | So basically, in addition to that graffiti navigator, you want to have a menu NEW DOCUMENT by type |
| 17:47.03 | lcuk | theres certainly lots of options and im very confident i can add to the experience for users :) |
| 17:47.06 | RST38h | And this will be it |
| 17:47.34 | lcuk | is making a bugtracker as we speak |
| 17:48.30 | lcuk | just increased his word count by a few hundred |
| 17:48.30 | Jaredu | sweet :D |
| 17:50.41 | lcuk | my 6 year old was using it the other day, made me so proud to watch him browsing around and drawin stuff and playin :) |
| 17:51.04 | Jaredu | heh |
| 17:51.14 | Jaredu | lcuk: how do you deal with scratches on the tablet? |
| 17:51.28 | Stskeeps | assuming people have a good screen protector? :P |
| 17:51.40 | lcuk | heh - well ive worn out a tablet, its not sensitive to touch with finger any more - most noticable in a single area |
| 17:51.59 | Jaredu | i just ordered invisibleshield for my tablet (full armor+screen) |
| 17:52.05 | Jaredu | im parinoid of scratches |
| 17:52.21 | lcuk | if you watch the videos there is a midle left area that just doesnt know about my finger any more |
| 17:52.28 | Jaredu | i love the touch... but it worries me |
| 17:52.28 | Jaredu | lol |
| 17:52.28 | Jaredu | ah |
| 17:52.34 | lcuk | ive given up, im the first i know who has worn it out :) |
| 17:52.40 | Jaredu | heh |
| 17:52.47 | Jaredu | send it back to nokia for repair? |
| 17:52.49 | lcuk | but, there was a woman on the metro in berlin |
| 17:52.58 | lcuk | she sat down and pulled out an old dell |
| 17:53.31 | lcuk | she started playin something, but from the angle i couldnt see properly |
| 17:53.42 | lcuk | but then i noticed her screen had scratches in very specific places |
| 17:53.50 | Jaredu | yeah |
| 17:53.51 | Jaredu | lol |
| 17:53.52 | lcuk | and realised she must play solitaire on the train every day |
| 17:53.55 | Jaredu | heh |
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| 17:54.07 | Jaredu | i cant stand that |
| 17:54.10 | Jaredu | even a tiny scratch |
| 17:54.14 | Jaredu | makes the device lose interest |
| 17:54.16 | Jaredu | i hate it |
| 17:54.19 | Jaredu | especially for movies |
| 17:54.24 | Jaredu | drives me ballistic |
| 17:54.25 | Jaredu | so |
| 17:54.29 | Jaredu | invisible armor :D |
| 17:54.36 | Jaredu | i like using it for sketc |
| 17:54.38 | Jaredu | sketch |
| 17:54.41 | Jaredu | but crosshatching |
| 17:54.42 | lcuk | yer, screen protectors or a better harder screen would be good |
| 17:54.47 | Jaredu | i notice it'll destroy it fast |
| 17:54.56 | lcuk | its grit thats the killer |
| 17:55.09 | lcuk | i am constantly feeling for the slightest resistence |
| 17:55.15 | Jaredu | i kind of wish it had a screen like the iphone, supposedly it can go in with change and crap and not get scratches |
| 17:55.21 | lcuk | running stylus through a fingerprint is a bad one |
| 17:55.51 | Jaredu | yeah |
| 17:55.57 | lcuk | a sapphire screen would be best :) |
| 17:55.59 | Jaredu | and the tiny grains of dirt that get on the screen |
| 17:56.04 | Jaredu | sapphire eh? |
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| 17:56.29 | lcuk | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AAdku9YhSCI |
| 17:56.52 | lcuk | its technically the screens used at shopping centres for scanning over at the till |
| 17:56.58 | lcuk | they have to be mega durable |
| 17:57.04 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 17:57.16 | lcuk | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/25/2125218 |
| 17:57.37 | lcuk | thats the slash discussion that tells you a bit more about it |
| 17:57.43 | Jaredu | ....holy shit |
| 17:57.44 | Jaredu | i want it |
| 17:58.19 | lcuk | keys are childsplay :) |
| 17:58.25 | lcuk | is that a crossbow in your pocket? |
| 17:58.30 | Jaredu | lol |
| 17:58.33 | Jaredu | good god |
| 17:58.37 | Jaredu | I WANT |
| 17:58.44 | Jaredu | is there any way to mod the n810 screen? |
| 17:58.47 | Jaredu | seriously |
| 17:58.50 | Jaredu | that is flipping amazing |
| 17:59.30 | lcuk | crystalised sapphire coating is pretty much amazing stuff, no im not sure its possible - certianly not without losing the touch - but it would be good |
| 17:59.59 | Jaredu | well |
| 18:00.02 | Jaredu | those are touch monitors |
| 18:00.09 | Jaredu | probably a diff type of touchscreen though |
| 18:00.36 | lcuk | im not sure i would like to have to use a crossbow just to click "buy now" on an ebay auiction |
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| 18:02.05 | lcuk | right, offski for a bit, nice chatting with you lot as usual |
| 18:02.22 | Jaredu | lmao |
| 18:02.23 | Jaredu | nice |
| 18:02.24 | Jaredu | well |
| 18:02.26 | Jaredu | caio dude |
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| 18:16.00 | aladds | anyone here ever repaired an over-voltage damaged 770? |
| 18:16.34 | Stskeeps | 'lo aladds, and sorry to hear your tablet died in the name of progress :P |
| 18:16.40 | aladds | mm :( |
| 18:17.03 | Stskeeps | atleast it seems like it has sparked some more interest :) |
| 18:17.05 | aladds | 9v to the UB port... |
| 18:17.09 | aladds | this is true :0 |
| 18:17.11 | aladds | *:) |
| 18:17.18 | Stskeeps | sure it's not just the battery that burnt out? |
| 18:17.28 | aladds | battery's showing a good voltage |
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| 18:17.48 | aladds | but if it is burnt out, can i run it without? |
| 18:18.06 | aladds | i imagine i need to short a couple of pins on the battery connector? |
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| 18:31.26 | JasonWoof | how do I get the contents of the selection? |
| 18:31.32 | JasonWoof | eg something like xclip |
| 18:31.44 | JasonWoof | I want something that will spit it to stdout |
| 18:32.56 | johnx | I think I built an xclip .deb a while ago |
| 18:33.00 | johnx | let's see if I can track it down |
| 18:33.13 | JasonWoof | ahh, found something on gronmayer |
| 18:33.20 | JasonWoof | xclip that is |
| 18:33.29 | JasonWoof | thought I'd ask if there was already something installed that would do it |
| 18:33.47 | johnx | I don't think |
| 18:33.48 | johnx | so |
| 18:33.57 | johnx | or at least I didn't know when I compiled xclip... |
| 18:34.24 | JasonWoof | heh heh |
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| 18:34.55 | _julian_ | hi |
| 18:35.06 | _julian_ | any ideas where to get this keyboard app for n800? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrWpUBTDDr0 |
| 18:35.49 | johnx | _julian_, from my understanding it's just a demo |
| 18:39.46 | johnx | JasonWoof, if that doesn't work for you this one should: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=130897&postcount=16 |
| 18:45.09 | JasonWoof | ahh, got it. took me a little while to find libxmu6 |
| 18:45.19 | JasonWoof | somehow I had maemo-extra but not maemo |
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| 18:45.59 | johnx | I should reinstall my text2speech hack again... :) |
| 18:46.13 | aladds | anyone know if/where i can get iT spare parts? (specifically the 770 motherboard :P) |
| 18:46.41 | johnx | aladds, you think that the whole thing is cooked? |
| 18:46.53 | aladds | nah, just a custom chip |
| 18:46.59 | aladds | which i obviously can't replace |
| 18:47.18 | lcuk | used to replace smt chips |
| 18:47.20 | aladds | (because it's custom, thus not readily available) |
| 18:47.48 | aladds | oh i could probably get access to smt desoldering/soldering kit |
| 18:47.59 | aladds | but getting the parts will probably be impossible |
| 18:48.14 | johnx | aladds, post an ad on internettablettalk.com/forums and ask for a 770 with WSOD |
| 18:48.34 | johnx | you might get one rather cheap |
| 18:48.37 | _julian_ | trying to install canola2 I get an error that python2.5-terra >= 0.1.8-maemo1 is needed, but ony 0.1.7 is available |
| 18:48.41 | _julian_ | any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 18:48.56 | johnx | _julian_, caonola2 beta10 is half uploaded to the repository |
| 18:49.06 | johnx | wait a day or two |
| 18:49.08 | _julian_ | johnx: ah ok, so just wait until tomorrow? |
| 18:49.11 | _julian_ | ok, cool (c: |
| 18:49.29 | johnx | _julian_, also, do you have extras-devel enabled? I didn't think it was in extras yet... |
| 18:50.04 | JasonWoof | yay :) now I have a one-liner that speaks the selection to me |
| 18:50.05 | aladds | johnx: is the problem with those just th LCD? |
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| 18:51.16 | johnx | aladds, hmmm...I want to say it's a bad inverter...but I might be making that up |
| 18:51.32 | aladds | hmm |
| 18:51.46 | aladds | but surely if the screen's white the inveters powering the backlight/ |
| 18:51.47 | aladds | ? |
| 18:52.05 | aladds | or is it using too much power? |
| 18:52.07 | johnx | like I said, I might have made that up |
| 18:52.15 | _julian_ | johnx: yep |
| 18:52.19 | aladds | well you could be right |
| 18:52.31 | aladds | if the inverter uses too much power the screen might not power up |
| 18:52.32 | _julian_ | for qedje and stuff... |
| 18:52.45 | johnx | _julian_, try disabling it, installing canola2, then turning it back on :) |
| 18:52.55 | johnx | aladds, nah...it's something else |
| 18:53.02 | aladds | ah ok |
| 18:53.06 | johnx | is tired and mixing up his terminology |
| 18:53.25 | johnx | I'll find the thread where the people who know what they're talking about mention the real cause |
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| 18:53.38 | JasonWoof | now how do I map that useless button on the front of my n810 to run my shell script? |
| 18:53.39 | _julian_ | johnx: I can wait for 1-2 days if I'll get a bleeding version then... just interested in how canola looks now (c: |
| 18:53.45 | JasonWoof | (the one with the circular arrow on it) |
| 18:53.54 | _julian_ | canola2 is using edje/evas, right? |
| 18:54.13 | johnx | JasonWoof, your escape key aka the browser "back" button? |
| 18:54.57 | JasonWoof | johnx: I don't know what it's supposed to do |
| 18:55.03 | ds3 | is there a command line way of generating a list of installed packages in chinook? |
| 18:55.18 | ds3 | dpkg -somemagicincantation prehaps? |
| 18:55.21 | JasonWoof | johnx: there's two buttons on the frunt of the device when it's closed. the bottom one seems pretty useless |
| 18:55.43 | JasonWoof | ds3: dpkg -l |
| 18:55.44 | JasonWoof | I think |
| 18:56.01 | johnx | JasonWoof, if it's a curved arrow pointing left that key sends "esc" and is used in the browser and other apps for "back" |
| 18:56.30 | JasonWoof | backspace works fine for browser-back |
| 18:57.15 | johnx | JasonWoof, if you have the keyboard out. anyways, you can map it to something like F13 with xmodmap and then have something listen for it and launch a script |
| 18:58.15 | JasonWoof | johnx: ok, I think I know how to do most of that, except the "have something listen" |
| 18:58.31 | JasonWoof | are there settings in the wm? |
| 18:58.33 | johnx | JasonWoof, something like keylaunch |
| 18:58.41 | JasonWoof | ahh hah! |
| 19:00.31 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw, mount --bind /sys /mnt/initfs/sys, chroot /mnt/initfs prolly gives us wlan-cal settings in any compiled driver.. i'll include that fix sometime |
| 19:00.38 | Stskeeps | so deblet is more FCC-friendly |
| 19:00.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:00.46 | JasonWoof | I'll have to start fiddling with xmodmap more. the default keybindings suck |
| 19:01.40 | JasonWoof | there's five slots where they didn't bother putting a symbol, and some really useful symbols they left off, mainly | and esc |
| 19:01.51 | JasonWoof | well, guess esc is on the front of the case |
| 19:01.55 | JasonWoof | and tab |
| 19:02.09 | JasonWoof | ^i is a pain to type |
| 19:02.42 | johnx | aladds, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15599&highlight=WSOD |
| 19:02.52 | ds3 | JasonWoof: thanks |
| 19:03.34 | johnx | aladds, that thread has the info on the cause of the WSOD. but it seems to be isolated to a daughterboard as the 770 still boots after getting a WSOD |
| 19:10.34 | Jaredu | ok |
| 19:10.35 | Jaredu | so |
| 19:10.38 | Jaredu | i just flashed my tablet |
| 19:10.50 | Jaredu | and it says on my internal mem that i have 130mb used |
| 19:10.55 | Jaredu | and 118 available |
| 19:11.04 | johnx | sounds about right |
| 19:11.08 | Jaredu | i just flashed it and it already used all of the memory |
| 19:11.15 | Jaredu | i expanded it via the internal card |
| 19:11.20 | Jaredu | so.... |
| 19:11.21 | Jaredu | wtf |
| 19:11.30 | johnx | "expanded it via the internal card" |
| 19:11.33 | Jaredu | yes |
| 19:11.34 | johnx | what does that mean? |
| 19:11.37 | Jaredu | for applications |
| 19:11.40 | Jaredu | i setup virtual swap |
| 19:11.45 | johnx | you enabled virtual memory or swap? |
| 19:11.47 | Jaredu | yes |
| 19:11.54 | johnx | yeah, that's for expanding RAM |
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| 19:12.01 | Jaredu | i know |
| 19:12.04 | Jaredu | but under data |
| 19:12.23 | Jaredu | it says 4.31 mb images 4.22mb audio clips 15.0mb documents and 13.1mb installed apps |
| 19:12.26 | Jaredu | thats not 130mb |
| 19:12.27 | johnx | yes |
| 19:12.32 | johnx | that's not talking about RAM |
| 19:12.39 | johnx | that's talking about the onboard flash storage |
| 19:12.43 | Jaredu | yes |
| 19:12.45 | Jaredu | i know |
| 19:12.59 | johnx | the expanding has nothing to do with that |
| 19:13.02 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 19:13.06 | Jaredu | why is half the memory gone |
| 19:13.09 | Jaredu | if i have used none of it |
| 19:13.10 | johnx | the OS |
| 19:13.13 | Jaredu | before i flashed it |
| 19:13.21 | Jaredu | i had downloaded files via wget |
| 19:13.32 | Jaredu | i believe they ended up in /usr/local |
| 19:13.39 | Jaredu | how would i get rid of them? |
| 19:13.44 | Jaredu | or find out where it put them |
| 19:13.44 | johnx | they're gone |
| 19:13.47 | johnx | if you flashed |
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| 19:14.03 | Jaredu | so 117mb is what i got to work with for apps |
| 19:14.08 | johnx | yup |
| 19:14.12 | Jaredu | crap :( |
| 19:14.30 | johnx | well, start by deleting the included pictures, and video and PDF user manual |
| 19:14.34 | johnx | or moving them to an SD card |
| 19:14.39 | Jaredu | right |
| 19:15.07 | johnx | if you use internal storage only for apps, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 19:15.34 | Jaredu | >.< |
| 19:15.37 | Jaredu | i like lots of apps ;) |
| 19:16.00 | johnx | then you might want to boot from SD |
| 19:16.17 | Jaredu | heh |
| 19:16.23 | Jaredu | that wears out the card? :P |
| 19:16.29 | johnx | yup |
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| 19:16.36 | johnx | there's no such thing as a free lunch |
| 19:16.37 | Jaredu | i got a 4gb sd card :) |
| 19:16.41 | Jaredu | it'd do nicely |
| 19:17.08 | Jaredu | of course there is :) |
| 19:17.25 | johnx | well you don't get one :) |
| 19:17.34 | Jaredu | heh |
| 19:17.37 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 19:17.37 | Jaredu | i wonder |
| 19:17.45 | Jaredu | could i boot from usb hdd? |
| 19:18.03 | Jaredu | i know it has support for usb hdd |
| 19:18.04 | johnx | it's less than straighforward, but yes |
| 19:18.10 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 19:18.13 | Jaredu | that'd be interesting |
| 19:18.24 | Jaredu | could get a 64gb ssd |
| 19:18.26 | Jaredu | heh ;) |
| 19:19.07 | johnx | you have to weigh how much your sd card will cost to replace (in a year or two), multiply by it's chance of failing (low), and then figure out if having lots of convenient storage is worth it |
| 19:19.27 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 19:19.30 | Jaredu | chance of failing? |
| 19:19.48 | Jaredu | i got my 4gb for like 12$ |
| 19:19.52 | Jaredu | minisd |
| 19:20.09 | Jaredu | preeeety much desposable |
| 19:20.17 | Jaredu | though; data is important |
| 19:20.20 | johnx | yeah, there's not a 100% chance you'll kill it by booting off of it, so you might as well get your money's worth |
| 19:20.35 | johnx | lol, so boot from sd and save your data to the internal flash :) |
| 19:20.45 | Jaredu | lol the flash will fail eventually |
| 19:21.07 | Jaredu | kinda worries meh :P |
| 19:21.12 | gomiam | erm... what are the usual prices you find for a 8GB SD card? |
| 19:21.15 | derf | There was a guy who filled up his SD card except for one block, and then wrote to it until it failed. |
| 19:21.19 | johnx | by the time internal flash failure is your problem you'll be thinking about upgrading the memory diamond in your implanted computer |
| 19:21.28 | derf | Took 90,000 writes, and he could still read all his data afterwards. |
| 19:21.55 | johnx | yeah, the most likely cause of failure is probably physical damager during insertion or storage |
| 19:22.06 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 19:22.07 | Jaredu | well |
| 19:22.15 | Jaredu | i do quite a few writes a day |
| 19:22.20 | Jaredu | dunno about single blocks |
| 19:22.27 | Jaredu | but i can use this thing 7 hours straight |
| 19:22.31 | Jaredu | every day |
| 19:22.51 | johnx | I swapped to my 1GB card for several years |
| 19:22.57 | derf | Yeah, but presumably you have more than one block free. |
| 19:23.06 | derf | That's basically the worst case for wear-leveling. |
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| 19:23.10 | Jaredu | ah |
| 19:23.23 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 19:23.26 | Jaredu | well |
| 19:23.30 | Jaredu | i suppose worst case |
| 19:23.34 | Jaredu | i can send it to nokia and make them fix it |
| 19:23.37 | Jaredu | :) |
| 19:24.15 | johnx | and you can still use a card with damaged blocks, BTW |
| 19:24.16 | Jaredu | does dpkg -i get rid of the .deb from wget ? |
| 19:24.22 | johnx | no |
| 19:24.23 | gomiam | nope |
| 19:24.26 | Jaredu | ok |
| 19:24.34 | Jaredu | so if i do wget ftp://ftp.xxxxxxxx |
| 19:24.38 | Jaredu | where does it go |
| 19:24.43 | gomiam | current directory |
| 19:24.47 | johnx | the current directory |
| 19:24.47 | johnx | pwd |
| 19:24.50 | Jaredu | terminal |
| 19:25.17 | Jaredu | so like |
| 19:25.20 | Jaredu | if im in terminal |
| 19:25.25 | Jaredu | where would it download it? |
| 19:25.32 | Jaredu | say im under sudo gainroot |
| 19:25.36 | gomiam | wherever you currently are |
| 19:25.36 | johnx | type pwd |
| 19:25.40 | Jaredu | pwd? |
| 19:25.43 | johnx | yes |
| 19:25.44 | johnx | pwd |
| 19:25.46 | johnx | then hit enter |
| 19:25.52 | johnx | that will tell you your current directory |
| 19:26.01 | Jaredu | ah |
| 19:26.15 | Jaredu | so i should do cd /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ |
| 19:26.18 | Jaredu | and then dpkg -i |
| 19:26.22 | gomiam | for example |
| 19:26.29 | johnx | if that's where you downloaded it to |
| 19:26.32 | gomiam | I'm more partial to /media/mmc1/deb |
| 19:26.41 | johnx | or you can just click on it in file manager |
| 19:26.45 | gomiam | (I created that directory on a memory card) |
| 19:26.49 | Jaredu | ah |
| 19:26.51 | Jaredu | nice :D |
| 19:26.59 | Jaredu | how do i create dir? |
| 19:27.02 | Jaredu | that sounds nice actually |
| 19:27.04 | Jaredu | :P |
| 19:27.07 | johnx | Jaredu, yeah, if you download everything to /home/user/foo then you're wasting space on the flash storage |
| 19:27.09 | gomiam | Jaredu: mkdir path |
| 19:27.12 | johnx | mkdir foo |
| 19:27.19 | johnx | for example mkdir /media/mmc2/foo |
| 19:27.21 | gomiam | as in mkdir /media/mmc1/deb for example |
| 19:27.55 | Jaredu | mmk |
| 19:27.59 | Jaredu | this should be nice then :D |
| 19:28.55 | ds3 | anyone here use POP with diablo? |
| 19:29.02 | gomiam | ds3 me |
| 19:29.10 | gomiam | with the standard client |
| 19:29.14 | Jaredu | im imap w/ gmail :) |
| 19:29.16 | ds3 | gomiam: any problems? |
| 19:29.30 | ds3 | the modest beta was broken for POP when I tried it |
| 19:29.30 | gomiam | ds3: none whatsoever, even when using POP3S |
| 19:29.36 | ds3 | cool |
| 19:29.49 | ds3 | I'm just going through a checklist before reflashing to diablo |
| 19:30.09 | gomiam | well, the mail client eats up all my CPU whenever I connect to WiFi, but that's to be expected XD |
| 19:30.29 | gomiam | if it was really a problem I would set it up so it doesn't get mail automatically |
| 19:31.11 | gomiam | is $28 too much for a Kingston 8GB SDHC Class 4 memory card? |
| 19:31.19 | Jaredu | thats damn nice |
| 19:31.31 | Jaredu | i got my 4gb for 12 |
| 19:31.35 | Jaredu | but damn |
| 19:31.37 | Jaredu | 8gb for 30? |
| 19:31.39 | gomiam | Jaredu: (even better when translated to Euros;-) |
| 19:31.45 | Jaredu | hehheh |
| 19:32.15 | gomiam | EUR19,30 |
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| 19:32.28 | gomiam | I think I should go find some dinner.... |
| 19:32.44 | gomiam | I may be afk for a bit. Have fun. |
| 19:32.51 | Jaredu | k lol |
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| 19:37.36 | eero | ghello |
| 19:38.03 | Jaredu | yo |
| 19:39.11 | eero | I don't get it how to create a package from python software for extras-dev repo .. |
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| 19:40.44 | johnx | eero, I've heard about py2deb but documentation is scarce: http://www.khertan.net/py2deb.php |
| 19:40.59 | eero | autobuilder doesn't seem to have python2.5 installed |
| 19:41.20 | eero | and in Makefile python2.5 is used .. |
| 19:41.30 | johnx | your package needs to depend on it I would assume |
| 19:42.03 | eero | autobuilder returns an error that it doesn't have python2.5 |
| 19:42.26 | eero | I have tried everything..sigh .. |
| 19:43.17 | melmoth | add python2.5 in the package control depencies. so the autobuilder will install it before compiling |
| 19:43.57 | eero | I had python2.5-dev ... |
| 19:44.04 | melmoth | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5),python2.5-runtime,python2.5-dev |
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| 19:44.24 | eero | oh..i didn't have python2.5-runtime |
| 19:44.40 | eero | that was not mentioned in the documents |
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| 19:44.55 | eero | i'll try that..thanks |
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| 19:51.06 | pupnik810 | moohoo |
| 19:51.32 | johnx | m00f! |
| 19:51.34 | jott | hey pupnik810 |
| 19:51.56 | pupnik810 | i am going to get a umts contract |
| 19:52.16 | pupnik810 | looking at O2 atm |
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| 19:52.59 | jott | pupnik810: fyi: http://www.flat-umts.de/ gives a short overview |
| 19:53.21 | pupnik810 | the huawei E169 usb stick seems to have good linux support |
| 19:53.27 | pupnik810 | ty jott |
| 19:54.18 | pupnik810 | but i might get a real umts phone if i can also datalink to laptop over usb |
| 19:54.28 | johnx | that new skypephone s2 looks like a great deal if it had quad-band gsm... |
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| 19:57.23 | pupnik810 | any open-source phones with umts worth a look? |
| 19:57.31 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 19:57.38 | Jaredu | not many |
| 19:57.39 | Jaredu | :P |
| 19:57.52 | glass_ | no |
| 19:58.05 | johnx | pupnik810, t-mobile g1? |
| 19:58.39 | pupnik810 | what os, johnx? |
| 19:58.55 | penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/cdburn.png |
| 19:58.55 | johnx | pupnik810, linux, google's android software stack |
| 19:59.00 | johnx | out in a couple months though |
| 19:59.01 | penguinbait | what do you think? |
| 19:59.11 | Jaredu | http://www.t-mobileg1.com |
| 19:59.23 | Jaredu | i work for tmob. indirect dealer, the g1 is nice :D |
| 19:59.27 | Jaredu | its gsm though, not utms |
| 19:59.49 | johnx | Jaredu, you need to brush up on your jargon then :) |
| 19:59.59 | Jaredu | hmmm? |
| 20:00.01 | pupnik810 | hmm |
| 20:00.07 | johnx | Jaredu, it's very much umts :) |
| 20:00.14 | Jaredu | O'rly? |
| 20:00.16 | Jaredu | oh |
| 20:00.17 | Jaredu | my bad |
| 20:00.18 | Jaredu | rofl |
| 20:00.27 | johnx | ya |
| 20:00.28 | johnx | yarly |
| 20:00.34 | Jaredu | wrong term |
| 20:00.37 | johnx | :D |
| 20:00.49 | Jaredu | was thinking utms == crap that sprint/verizon use |
| 20:00.50 | Jaredu | :P |
| 20:00.55 | Jaredu | network |
| 20:01.06 | Jaredu | CDMA =\= utms |
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| 20:01.13 | johnx | no problem, just had to pick on you a bit :D |
| 20:01.15 | Jaredu | xD |
| 20:01.20 | johnx | is just a snarky jackass like that |
| 20:01.24 | Jaredu | dually noted, i fell like an idiot now haha |
| 20:01.37 | Jaredu | feel* |
| 20:02.10 | johnx | Jaredu, so have you had a chance to play with it? |
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| 20:02.21 | Jaredu | not yet |
| 20:02.25 | Jaredu | but ive played with android |
| 20:02.28 | Jaredu | its a fun os |
| 20:02.42 | johnx | yeah, it'll be great to have the source to that |
| 20:02.45 | pupnik810 | looks neato |
| 20:02.58 | Jaredu | you can download the pc sdk from the site |
| 20:03.06 | johnx | pupnik810, unfortunately you'll have to wait for EU 3G |
| 20:04.01 | johnx | Jaredu, yup. saw it. It'll still be nice to have source though, to use it on the n8x0 or zaurus |
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| 20:04.10 | Jaredu | :P |
| 20:04.38 | johnx | penguinbait, ok, what has a capacity of 9.1MB? |
| 20:04.46 | jott | and an "opensource os" without sources is not so much "opensource" after all :) |
| 20:05.05 | pupnik810 | johnx what u mean wait for eu 3G --- umtg == 3G, no? |
| 20:05.05 | penguinbait | it was my first dvd, I burned from my 810 |
| 20:05.15 | penguinbait | I wanted to start small |
| 20:05.24 | johnx | pupnik810, t-mobile US runs their UMTS network on different frequencies |
| 20:05.27 | pupnik810 | s/umtg/umts/ |
| 20:05.33 | jott | pupnik810: the g1 will be out "in 2009" in europe |
| 20:05.37 | pupnik810 | ohh nm |
| 20:05.51 | pupnik810 | need umts next week |
| 20:06.02 | johnx | US just needs to be special... |
| 20:06.14 | jott | a friend just got the nokia e71. seems quite nice. |
| 20:06.56 | pupnik810 | i just need a solid fone to pair with N810 |
| 20:07.05 | pupnik810 | will look at e71 |
| 20:07.28 | pupnik810 | "droppable" would be nice |
| 20:08.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, pupnik810. |
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| 20:09.22 | pupnik810 | hey .. jott got any preferences for provider? o2, telekom, base, vodaphone? |
| 20:09.26 | pupnik810 | hi ga |
| 20:09.51 | Jaredu | whats the command for opening a .tar into a .deb? |
| 20:10.12 | jott | pupnik810: not really. tbh all suck :P |
| 20:10.23 | Jaredu | the dir and file are /media/mmc1/deb/xulrunner1.9b5pre.en-US.linux-armel.tar |
| 20:10.30 | Jaredu | or something like that |
| 20:10.33 | Jaredu | how do i get that to a .deb |
| 20:10.43 | jott | pupnik810: base just got simple 3g no hsdpa otherwise it seems fair. |
| 20:11.01 | pupnik810 | O2 will allow irc at least. want hsdpa and hsupa |
| 20:11.07 | johnx | Jaredu, a .tar is like a .zip . It's just a generic container |
| 20:11.17 | jott | all other providers cap at 5-10gb |
| 20:11.18 | Jaredu | so how do i untar it to .deb? |
| 20:11.23 | johnx | Jaredu, you don't |
| 20:11.25 | Jaredu | it was a tar.bz2 |
| 20:12.00 | jott | and o2 have not rolled out 7.2mbit hsdpa.. :/ |
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| 20:12.09 | johnx | Jaredu, I think you downloaded source code instead of binaries |
| 20:12.39 | johnx | Jaredu, or maybe you downloaded xulrunner binaries for desktop linux? What are you trying to do? |
| 20:12.51 | Jaredu | ah |
| 20:12.52 | Jaredu | nvm |
| 20:12.54 | Jaredu | its -xf |
| 20:12.56 | Jaredu | :D |
| 20:13.17 | johnx | goodluckwiththat |
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| 20:34.27 | pupnik810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.43 | Jaredu | its nice |
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| 20:35.13 | pupnik810 | stamps foot and pouts |
| 20:37.42 | lcuk | buys pupnik a beer n a kebab n hopes it will placate him |
| 20:37.51 | lcuk | bollocks |
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| 20:59.40 | Jaffa | points -community at http://bleb.org/software/maemo/maemo-org_mockup.png and waits for people who can actually draw/design (or not) to moan :) |
| 20:59.58 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 21:00.01 | zap | hmm, fakeroot does not work in scratchbox x86 |
| 21:00.02 | Jaredu | not too bad |
| 21:00.10 | Jaredu | could be a bit better |
| 21:00.17 | zap | somebody can try to invoke "fakeroot id -u" from x86 scratchbox? |
| 21:00.43 | Jaffa | Jaredu: Yes, Inkscape isn't the best tool for this kind of thing. See my mail for more details on what I think are the biggest problems at the moment with it. |
| 21:00.54 | zap | screenshot looks k00l |
| 21:01.03 | Jaredu | it has good concept though |
| 21:01.03 | woglinde | jaffa ALFA sound driver? |
| 21:01.14 | Jaredu | the only thing i could biff with it is the placement of the buttons on the top right |
| 21:01.16 | zap | :) |
| 21:01.17 | Jaffa | Oops. Hang on :-) |
| 21:01.18 | Jaredu | the rest is nice |
| 21:01.24 | zap | ALFA quality ALSA driver :) |
| 21:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Ubuntu + OpenSUSE? :P |
| 21:01.45 | Jaffa | ALFA is the name of my employer's product :) |
| 21:02.04 | RST38h | Jaffa: this is not something I would use on daily basis |
| 21:02.15 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: when in doubt... |
| 21:02.22 | RST38h | Jaffa: instead, it looks like a copycat of SUSE page. |
| 21:02.37 | GeneralAntilles | Way too much whitespace at the top. |
| 21:03.32 | RST38h | Jaffa: Maybe if you line up those garish top buttons into a single line and make them just a little bit smaller... |
| 21:03.34 | zap | but this is only the titlepage |
| 21:03.40 | Jaffa | would disagree on "way" |
| 21:04.04 | RST38h | Jaffa: And drop sections that are irrelevant to 99% users... |
| 21:04.24 | Jaffa | And which sections are irrelevant to 99% of users? |
| 21:04.32 | zap | Get software :) |
| 21:04.59 | RST38h | Jaffa: Community Activity (nobody to do it by hand and automatic generation impossible) |
| 21:05.03 | Jaffa | isn't happy with the left of the buttons and the positioning of "About maemo.org" |
| 21:05.07 | RST38h | Jaffa: Bugs Activity (same thing) |
| 21:05.21 | RST38h | Jaffa: Developers Activity (same thing) |
| 21:05.22 | mavhc | if you're choosing 4 colours for different sections then colour those sections accordingly |
| 21:05.25 | Jaffa | RST38h: No, it's not impossible to do either. I've outlined algorithms which could do both and could implement them in a day |
| 21:05.44 | RST38h | Jaffa: About (too short for a newbie, useless for a regular) |
| 21:05.47 | Jaffa | mavhc: in terms of the portlets, or the themes for the pages in those sections? |
| 21:05.53 | mavhc | both |
| 21:06.31 | RST38h | Jaffa: Well, if you demonstrate a working algorithm that will create USEFUL summary of bugzilla and itt activity, I will be the first to support inclusing of these sections onto the main page |
| 21:06.34 | Jaffa | The portlets do have colouration which matches, but it may be too subtle at the moment. I'm not sure the pages themselves are technically feasible. The current background orange is basically the logo orange. |
| 21:06.37 | mavhc | also where the "I'm a noob" section, what repositaries should I add, what does chinook mean, etc |
| 21:07.11 | RST38h | Jaffa: But please, do start by making those ugly colorful buttons smaller and lining them up |
| 21:07.15 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, maemo.nokia.com |
| 21:07.19 | Jaffa | mavhc: a) That's under "Add-ons"; b) Nokia are going to push maemo.nokia.com as the primary end-user site, and so maemo.org is only for more adventurous end-users etc. |
| 21:07.28 | RST38h | btw, does your page resize? |
| 21:07.33 | mavhc | I suppose the news section being non coloured confused the issue |
| 21:07.46 | Jaffa | RST38h: yes, a fluid layout is essential for any website |
| 21:08.03 | mavhc | should be a link to that then, as this'll be higher in google pagerank |
| 21:08.39 | RST38h | ok |
| 21:08.49 | Jaffa | mavhc: Probably something to put in the about box, or have mini-ads like the current maemo.org does. |
| 21:09.15 | Jaffa | Anyway, I'm going to bed. I wanted to shape the discussion and last night the only conclusion was "provide mockups". |
| 21:09.44 | Jaffa | I'm confident that the algorithms I describe in -community are implementable. If you disagree, take it there and we'll hammer out the detail of the algorithm in a more permanent form :-) |
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| 21:10.35 | RST38h | Jaffa: Please do provide a reference implementation |
| 21:10.52 | RST38h | Because saying they are implementable and implementing them are two different things =( |
| 21:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, see -community. |
| 21:11.04 | Jaffa | I already outlined the algorithm on -community |
| 21:11.20 | RST38h | no, outline won't do |
| 21:11.50 | RST38h | I want to see that generating a USEFUL summary of itt, mailing lists, or bugzilla is possible |
| 21:11.52 | Jaffa | RST38h: specific comments as to why the algorithm won't work are, of course, welcome. |
| 21:12.13 | RST38h | No, you do not get it |
| 21:12.22 | Jaffa | It's a basic rolling average, to weight stuff which is more active higher than just newest. |
| 21:12.26 | Jaffa | does. You don't believe me. |
| 21:12.26 | RST38h | It is like the perpetual motion patent submission process |
| 21:12.32 | Jaffa | <sigh /> |
| 21:12.40 | RST38h | Patent is only accepted when you provide a working sample |
| 21:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, see -community. |
| 21:13.07 | Jaffa | I'm happy I could code it. I'm not *going* to code it until there's consensus that it's useful. I'm not going to discuss it on IRC because a) it's transient, b) I'm tired; c) it's what -community is for. |
| 21:13.40 | Jaffa | I'm not suggesting it's a spec I could give to one of my junior developers, but - then - it doesn't need to be (yet). |
| 21:13.42 | RST38h | it IS useful. If it works. |
| 21:13.52 | mavhc | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-September/000955.html btw |
| 21:14.06 | Jaffa | mavhc: ta |
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| 21:17.18 | Jaffa | G'night, all. |
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| 21:57.19 | AStorm | how can I make modest display multiple imap accounts? |
| 21:57.30 | AStorm | (it shows only one at a time) |
| 21:57.39 | jott | patch it? |
| 21:58.01 | AStorm | hmmm... |
| 21:58.20 | jott | i guess there is already a bug opened somewhere. |
| 21:58.45 | jott | you can switch them with the nice nested menu :P |
| 21:59.39 | doc|home | AStorm: modest sucks, claws is much better |
| 21:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | Bullshit |
| 21:59.59 | GeneralAntilles | Claws sucks for finger use |
| 22:00.01 | doc|home | shrugs |
| 22:00.17 | doc|home | I'll take multiple accounts + not crashing over finger use |
| 22:00.29 | doc|home | although it's been a while since I tried modest |
| 22:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | Point being, statements like "It sucks" aren't really very useful.:P |
| 22:01.24 | jott | it just aggregates a long list of flaws :P |
| 22:01.29 | doc|home | it does |
| 22:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine for me. |
| 22:01.50 | doc|home | even the pre-modest mail client was better than modest |
| 22:02.03 | doc|home | from a user point of view |
| 22:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | That thing never worked for me. |
| 22:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | So I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 22:02.46 | doc|home | worked for me |
| 22:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | Really, though, if you haven't tried Modest in a while, you probably shouldn't talk. :P |
| 22:03.04 | doc|home | does it support multiple imap accounts? |
| 22:03.16 | GeneralAntilles | Just fine. |
| 22:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just not in one pane. |
| 22:03.25 | AStorm | yes, but shows one at a time |
| 22:03.26 | doc|home | meh |
| 22:04.00 | jott | maybe someone is bored or annoyed enough to patch it. |
| 22:04.09 | jott | hopefully it shouldn't be that hard. |
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| 22:06.35 | jott | hah the svn log of modest does not seem that helpful. |
| 22:07.05 | jott | "* fixes all around " "* many fixes" "* new & improved modest" " * update" " *many changes" hilarious :) |
| 22:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | I bitched at the about that. |
| 22:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | Thread on -developers |
| 22:08.22 | jott | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.59 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 22:09.08 | GeneralAntilles | Check the thread |
| 22:09.09 | GeneralAntilles | you decide. |
| 22:09.18 | jott | as "* updates" is 2 weeks old |
| 22:09.23 | jott | kk :) |
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| 22:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/39748?search_string=changelogs;#39748 |
| 22:11.49 | jott | thanks. it's not just the changelog but also the commit messages :/ |
| 22:12.09 | jott | equally funny. |
| 22:12.22 | GeneralAntilles | Add another reply about those. |
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