| 00:00.01 | Navi | Damn that Wikipedia |
| 00:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | I tried another round the other night |
| 00:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | without success |
| 00:00.14 | Navi | I murdered GeneralAntilles's beagle's mother |
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| 00:00.30 | Jaffa | must start working through a Clutter tutorial this weekend to see if his grand plan of a killer Maemo 5 app will be doable |
| 00:00.31 | lcuk | balls, thats really unfortunate |
| 00:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | I need help from somebody who knows better what they're doing |
| 00:00.32 | Navi | It's so shocked that it ceases to function |
| 00:00.34 | GeneralAntilles | but they don't want to help. |
| 00:00.48 | Navi | Jaffa: woo, killer apps |
| 00:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | Imma try with a different card next week. |
| 00:01.00 | lcuk | hopes he has a killer app :) |
| 00:01.38 | Jaffa | Navi: well, handy more than killer. Hopefully pretty, too |
| 00:01.40 | Navi | Jaffa: personally, I'm not all too fond of the GObject stuff |
| 00:02.10 | lcuk | ticks boxes for useful and speedy and fun and creating data and technology :) |
| 00:02.21 | Navi | lcuk: lies |
| 00:02.26 | lcuk | :O |
| 00:02.38 | lcuk | slaps navi with a kinetic hand |
| 00:02.55 | Navi | Jaffa: but at least they have python bindings. I'm much too lazy to do anything else \o/ |
| 00:03.03 | Jaffa | Navi: indeed; my playing with Vala, and discussions on #vala shows you can quite rapidly reach the point where you realise it's not *real* OO |
| 00:03.21 | Navi | Hehe |
| 00:03.43 | Jaffa | may well do this app in Python, even though it's not my "preferred" language. |
| 00:03.48 | Jaffa | Will see when the SDK gets out |
| 00:03.50 | lcuk | jaffa, the author of vala was at the summit you know |
| 00:04.09 | Jaffa | lcuk: was he? interesting |
| 00:04.17 | Navi | A lot of people were there, apparently |
| 00:04.18 | lcuk | or at least i was introduced to him the day after :) i think i saw him floating around before |
| 00:04.25 | Jaffa | :) |
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| 00:05.16 | Jaffa | It's an interesting idea and shows promise; tooling needs a lot of work, but Valable's shaping up a bit. Some of the design decisions aren't ones I entirely agree with - but they're valuing C interoperability higher than I would. |
| 00:05.18 | jott | well he idles here in the channel :) |
| 00:05.30 | Jaffa | indeed |
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| 00:06.24 | jott | is it easier nowadays to run c code in vala? (like without big binding mess)? |
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| 00:06.44 | lcuk | hi qole |
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| 00:06.48 | lcuk | waves binary |
| 00:06.51 | Jaffa | jott: dunno |
| 00:07.38 | jott | being restricted to gobject and some selected libs is a bit unfortunate ... |
| 00:07.45 | Navi | nods |
| 00:08.01 | Navi | Jaffa: what are you planning on, anyways? |
| 00:08.01 | lcuk | but cant you construct bindings for anything? |
| 00:08.17 | Jaffa | lcuk: you can |
| 00:08.20 | jott | lcuk: well if you put 2-10 extra hours of work in it.. |
| 00:08.40 | lcuk | then its not restricted, merely immature. the tooling will come with age |
| 00:08.51 | Jaffa | Navi: nothing that exciting; still wishing for a variation of EPOC's Jotter |
| 00:08.52 | lcuk | it shows promise |
| 00:09.14 | jott | well, as an application developer you are restricted... |
| 00:09.32 | Jaffa | lcuk: indeed (on both counts). I added code complete, incremental building and some other tooling necessetities to Valable |
| 00:09.36 | lcuk | you mentioned this before jaffa :) |
| 00:09.48 | Jaffa | aye |
| 00:09.51 | Jaffa | sleep now |
| 00:09.57 | lcuk | gnite dude |
| 00:10.05 | jott | silently injects caffeine into jaffa |
| 00:10.05 | Navi | Jaffa: night |
| 00:10.08 | jott | good night :) |
| 00:10.10 | Navi | Ha |
| 00:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 00:11.07 | *** topic/#maemo by GeneralAntilles -> maemo.org improvement meeting in #maemo-meeting 9/27 @ 19:00 UTC | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 00:11.16 | lcuk | ponders threading for loading sketches |
| 00:12.05 | jott | deadlocks lcuk with a broken semaphore |
| 00:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | dneary wants an agenda |
| 00:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have any good plans. |
| 00:12.52 | Navi | GeneralAntilles: I can make one for you. |
| 00:13.00 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe we can take tim's new Community pages live, though. |
| 00:13.05 | lcuk | lol jott - i tweaked the algo yesterday and it lazy loads sketches one per frame until complete - so now when i go kinetic i catch up with the cat faster |
| 00:13.28 | lcuk | it used to load 4 per frame so was faster but kinetic was more sluggish while loading |
| 00:16.46 | jott | but yes threading is the way to go for loading many objects in a gui app. |
| 00:17.01 | lcuk | yes indeed |
| 00:17.19 | lcuk | for now it will suffice, but i know i will have to soon |
| 00:17.45 | lcuk | tosses a coin |
| 00:17.46 | jott | heh. you should integrate a todo list in liqbase :) |
| 00:17.58 | jott | would be funny to thread sketches as todos |
| 00:18.19 | KotCzarny | and online server to post 'feature requests/bugs' as sketches too |
| 00:18.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:18.25 | lcuk | todo items will simply be tagged as such, no specific need - i write on everything i think about then browse and review often |
| 00:18.58 | jott | lcuk: yeah that's what i thought, just add some progress slider to it ;) |
| 00:19.17 | lcuk | progress? as in progress where loading is upto? |
| 00:19.26 | jott | no for todo sketches :) |
| 00:19.33 | lcuk | KotCzarny, :) online server will come |
| 00:19.38 | qole | lcuk: am I going to get to try your beta? |
| 00:19.40 | lcuk | ahh lol - yeah |
| 00:20.10 | lcuk | yes qole, im considering how to let you all get access without getting sidetracked |
| 00:20.29 | KotCzarny | 'you have successfully activated you copy of Windows.' |
| 00:20.31 | lcuk | and im scared to update to svn i dont wanna break it |
| 00:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | Make a new branch. |
| 00:21.01 | qole | yikes, just saw the time, gotta get my bike togs on and go home... |
| 00:21.06 | lcuk | well thats not really feasible is it |
| 00:21.20 | lcuk | cos of the folder structure i chose initially - i have no trunk or anything |
| 00:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | Just move everything 1 level down. |
| 00:22.50 | lcuk | tomorrow night when im not in pain ill try and get svn back on the machine |
| 00:23.07 | lcuk | ./kcup.sh has survived reinstallation :) |
| 00:23.14 | KotCzarny | why shouldn't it |
| 00:23.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:23.43 | lcuk | exactly - it survived when other lesser apps didnt ;) |
| 00:24.13 | GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3596691272.html |
| 00:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | What an odd number |
| 00:24.20 | GeneralAntilles | "42% by 2013" |
| 00:26.01 | Navi | probably based the number on the exponential netbook adoption rate |
| 00:26.05 | Jaredu | ok |
| 00:26.09 | Jaredu | i need to format my n810 |
| 00:26.17 | Jaredu | because xulrunner screwed the os up |
| 00:26.20 | lcuk | unfortunate |
| 00:26.23 | Jaredu | how would i go about doing that |
| 00:26.26 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 00:26.26 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:26.41 | Jaredu | this will fix all errors? |
| 00:26.44 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 00:26.59 | lcuk | just backup your important data |
| 00:27.00 | KotCzarny | it will make your n810 virgin |
| 00:27.05 | Jaredu | excellent |
| 00:27.53 | Navi | GeneralAntilles: that article is full of fail |
| 00:28.10 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, feel free to make it "better". |
| 00:28.11 | Jaredu | hmm? |
| 00:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | It _is_ a wiki. |
| 00:28.45 | lcuk | but first, navi - whats wrong with it? |
| 00:29.00 | lcuk | and discussion is just as important as changing at first whim |
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| 00:31.20 | Navi | I wasn't talking about the wiki page |
| 00:31.38 | Navi | I was talking about the linuxdevices.com article |
| 00:32.25 | jott | GeneralAntilles: with the adoption rate -> old statistics trick - don't use round numbers to sound more precise :) |
| 00:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:32.43 | Jaredu | also |
| 00:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, well, duh. :P |
| 00:32.50 | lcuk | yer navi it was a bit bleugh |
| 00:32.56 | Jaredu | is it bad that sometimes my tablet goes to 38 degrees celcius? :P |
| 00:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | I had to correct them about the N900 using OMAP35x |
| 00:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | they still haven't fixed it. |
| 00:33.06 | KotCzarny | jaredu: normal |
| 00:33.06 | Jaredu | its hotter than my quad cores O_O |
| 00:33.10 | Jaredu | mmk |
| 00:33.17 | lcuk | Jaredu, :) it is a quad core |
| 00:33.18 | KotCzarny | mine goes to ~45 sometimes |
| 00:33.27 | Jaredu | ah |
| 00:33.29 | lcuk | shame we only ever use at most 2 of them |
| 00:33.30 | KotCzarny | usually under full load + wifi |
| 00:33.38 | Jaredu | heh |
| 00:33.53 | KotCzarny | jaredu: your quad cored have fan and radiator on themj |
| 00:33.53 | Jaredu | my quad core runs at 32 degrees c :( |
| 00:33.56 | Jaredu | true |
| 00:34.18 | lcuk | what is it? |
| 00:34.28 | KotCzarny | is what? |
| 00:34.29 | lcuk | and are you sure the temp sensor is fitted correctly :D |
| 00:34.37 | Jaredu | heh |
| 00:35.01 | KotCzarny | although my pentium-m runs at ~35C without fan |
| 00:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | Psh |
| 00:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | is at 65°C at the moment. |
| 00:35.32 | KotCzarny | 39C now when browsing web and listening to music |
| 00:36.22 | Jaredu | GeneralAntilles: im at the tablet dev site |
| 00:36.31 | Jaredu | i just download the diablo version to flash or how do i do it o.O |
| 00:37.01 | lcuk | i nearly fried my 810 one night recently - i left it in my cradle charging with a book ontop :S it worried me cos it was v hot |
| 00:37.10 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 00:37.13 | KotCzarny | it shouldn't |
| 00:37.14 | lcuk | Jaredu, are you using linux |
| 00:37.23 | Jaredu | unfortunately at the moment no |
| 00:37.27 | Jaredu | am on vista 64bit |
| 00:37.29 | Jaredu | >.< |
| 00:37.33 | lcuk | KotCzarny, my wooden crate has no airholes - and the book ontop |
| 00:37.39 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 00:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, read the article I linked. |
| 00:37.47 | KotCzarny | drill then? |
| 00:37.48 | lcuk | its ok, im on 32bit xp ;) |
| 00:37.53 | lcuk | thinking so |
| 00:37.53 | Jaredu | my wifi doesnt work on linux @tm due to nonsupported wifi drivers for my wifi N usb |
| 00:38.01 | lcuk | but i dont normally leave it covered |
| 00:38.10 | KotCzarny | just take nit out beforehand |
| 00:38.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:38.16 | Jaredu | ah ok |
| 00:38.19 | Jaredu | i just use the wizard then |
| 00:38.21 | Jaredu | ive done this before :D |
| 00:38.39 | Jaredu | now to find the stupid usb cable.. |
| 00:38.42 | KotCzarny | jaredu: get usb wifi as a backup? |
| 00:38.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:38.43 | lcuk | heh - i needed it left charging and available in the daytime, but i never leave it out on the surface cos knowing my luck something would drop on it |
| 00:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I doubt very much that it would've fried it. |
| 00:39.21 | KotCzarny | but battery would die faster |
| 00:39.24 | lcuk | yer gen i would hope so, but it felt wrong anyways |
| 00:39.25 | Jaredu | i got usb wifi |
| 00:39.26 | KotCzarny | because of temp |
| 00:39.31 | Jaredu | and i do 3d modelling alot along with photoshop |
| 00:39.36 | Jaredu | unfortunately 3ds max doesnt support linux |
| 00:39.37 | KotCzarny | li-ion doesn't like hihj temps |
| 00:39.40 | Jaredu | and i have to use it for college :( |
| 00:39.41 | KotCzarny | *high |
| 00:39.48 | KotCzarny | jaredu: wine ? |
| 00:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | 3ds max sucks |
| 00:39.52 | Jaredu | too laggy |
| 00:39.58 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 00:39.58 | Navi | 3ds max doesn't run very well under wine |
| 00:40.02 | KotCzarny | *shrugs* |
| 00:40.07 | lcuk | mmmm wine |
| 00:40.31 | Jaredu | ah crap |
| 00:40.34 | lcuk | where was the rest of eletrunko logged into? were his legs in one chan? |
| 00:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Haaar |
| 00:41.06 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:41.37 | lcuk | ok, back to bed for me |
| 00:41.41 | KotCzarny | go go |
| 00:41.43 | lcuk | gnite chaps |
| 00:41.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:42.03 | Jaredu | 123 mb O_O |
| 00:42.43 | GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, same size it was last time. |
| 00:42.44 | Jaredu | any clue as to when the n900s will be coming out/cost? |
| 00:42.46 | Jaredu | i know |
| 00:42.50 | Jaredu | but it was a pain xD |
| 00:42.57 | lcuk | :D i am tagged on flickr |
| 00:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | Q2-Q3 2009 |
| 00:43.05 | Jaredu | had to do it twice cause the battery was barely charged lol |
| 00:43.10 | Jaredu | ah |
| 00:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | ~$400-$600 |
| 00:43.16 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 00:43.21 | Jaredu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.29 | Jaredu | i still need to sell my sony mylo 2 |
| 00:43.30 | Jaredu | heh |
| 00:43.33 | jott | lcuk: http://flickr.com/photos/funkygeek/1465307245/ ? :P |
| 00:43.47 | lcuk | :D hahahaha |
| 00:43.57 | Jaredu | any pics of the n900? |
| 00:44.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:44.15 | Jaredu | likes that car. |
| 00:44.24 | GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, there aren't even prototypes yet. |
| 00:44.31 | jott | lcuk: hmm http://flickr.com/photos/16523930@N00/378601193/ :P |
| 00:44.31 | Jaredu | ah ok |
| 00:44.41 | GeneralAntilles | Haaa |
| 00:44.53 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's a nice blouse you've got there. |
| 00:45.13 | Jaredu | wow wtf |
| 00:45.23 | Jaredu | ready to update your device software from: |
| 00:45.31 | lcuk | lol |
| 00:45.32 | Jaredu | diablo_4.2008.30-2 |
| 00:45.33 | Jaredu | to |
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| 00:45.44 | Jaredu | Diablo_4.2008.23-14(latest) |
| 00:45.49 | Jaredu | do i have a beta or something? O_O |
| 00:45.58 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't a FIASCO image out for the first SSU release. |
| 00:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | ~ssu |
| 00:46.00 | infobot | ssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 00:46.05 | Jaredu | note: you are downgrading to an older version |
| 00:46.05 | Jaredu | wtf |
| 00:46.18 | Jaredu | how did i get a newer version |
| 00:46.24 | Jaredu | than the latest |
| 00:46.36 | KotCzarny | just old flash image |
| 00:46.47 | KotCzarny | and no later upgrades in flash image format |
| 00:46.49 | lcuk | nothe full flash image was released -23.14 - then after that you have had SSU updates |
| 00:46.51 | KotCzarny | only .debs |
| 00:46.56 | Jaredu | ah ok |
| 00:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, read the link. |
| 00:47.08 | Jaredu | ah drat :( |
| 00:47.16 | Jaredu | doesnt give the option to download and then use the file |
| 00:47.20 | Jaredu | its all auto w/ updater :( |
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| 00:47.32 | lcuk | it would ease users confusions if ssu was rolled into the full flash |
| 00:47.33 | Jaredu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what do you mean? |
| 00:48.00 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., SSU updates would also be provided with a FIASCO image? |
| 00:48.03 | lcuk | well like now, this guy thinks hes downgradin |
| 00:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, that's the plan. |
| 00:48.17 | Jaredu | :( |
| 00:48.23 | lcuk | :) didnt think otherwise |
| 00:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia just pushed 30-2 out early to fix the Modest battery life issue. |
| 00:48.26 | Jaredu | heh |
| 00:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | So it didn't get the full treatment. |
| 00:48.41 | jott | yeah having fiasco images in sync with ssu would make sense :) |
| 00:48.41 | Jaredu | i had 9 hours of continious battery life my first day |
| 00:48.50 | Jaredu | full day of web/installing/etc |
| 00:48.51 | lcuk | cool, thanks for the info immortal leader of the community \o/ |
| 00:48.55 | Jaredu | 9 solid hours |
| 00:49.02 | KotCzarny | immoral? |
| 00:49.03 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:49.03 | Jaredu | it lasts at least 7.5 a day now |
| 00:49.10 | Jaredu | continious use xD |
| 00:49.32 | lcuk | Jaredu, alter your screen brightness and you could get more |
| 00:49.39 | Jaredu | i know |
| 00:49.43 | Jaredu | it was at 3/5 |
| 00:49.53 | Jaredu | though i must say im impressed |
| 00:49.58 | lcuk | thats my normal - 4 and 5 really kill life |
| 00:49.58 | Jaredu | due to the fact that the box states 4hrs |
| 00:50.10 | Jaredu | :D |
| 00:50.21 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Advanced Backlight |
| 00:50.47 | lcuk | ahem, i must collar rm and jott soon on that score actually |
| 00:50.51 | lcuk | theres a bug somewhere |
| 00:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | Bug? |
| 00:51.10 | lcuk | yer |
| 00:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | Care to file a report? :P |
| 00:51.29 | KotCzarny | he prefers personal reporting |
| 00:51.34 | KotCzarny | via threatening |
| 00:51.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:51.44 | Jaredu | advanced backlighting was nice :P |
| 00:51.56 | lcuk | after a period (i think its reboot) i notice the screen is too dark, so i open adv back light and it says "brightness 100" but only when i click it does the brightness actually increase |
| 00:51.59 | Jaredu | i had almost everything on my tablet that was useful lol |
| 00:52.00 | Jaredu | :P |
| 00:52.17 | GeneralAntilles | Probably reboot |
| 00:52.21 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 00:52.22 | Jaredu | ill bbiab |
| 00:52.25 | GeneralAntilles | It was supposedly fixed a few versions ago |
| 00:52.26 | KotCzarny | lcuk, probably dimming is brighter than full bright |
| 00:52.27 | Jaredu | 23 mins till dl is finished |
| 00:52.57 | lcuk | yer, its a bit strange - ive noticed it a few times now |
| 00:53.06 | GeneralAntilles | ~dimming is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/moredimmingoptions/ |
| 00:53.07 | infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay |
| 00:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Install that. |
| 00:53.13 | lcuk | never anything concrete and ive had other things on mind |
| 00:53.19 | KotCzarny | i think there is an option to go directly to off |
| 00:53.24 | KotCzarny | instead of 'dimming' |
| 00:53.27 | bef0rd | lcuk, I think its related with the 'built in' bright applet setting, try checking what is the current value in that, I'm pretty sure it will be the lowest level |
| 00:53.43 | lcuk | yer, if dim and off are both same it goes directly off immediately |
| 00:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | dsme is going open |
| 00:54.02 | GeneralAntilles | so it'll be a lot easier for us to hook into some of the lame dimming logic and such |
| 00:54.06 | lcuk | bef0rd, ahhh, thats a possibility ill have a look, thanks |
| 00:54.21 | jott | GeneralAntilles: unfortunately the brightness stuff will be moved into mce :p |
| 00:54.25 | jott | (which stays closed) |
| 00:54.41 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:54.51 | lcuk | bef0rd, you are right. brightness from control panel/display is marked as notch 1/5 |
| 00:55.03 | jott | and the leaked mce version probably imply some legal trouble... |
| 00:55.03 | lcuk | abl is on 100 |
| 00:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | jott, dsme is just gonna be a bunch of calls to mce's closed code. |
| 00:55.15 | jott | GeneralAntilles: yep. |
| 00:55.26 | lcuk | jott, wheres bugtrack thing for your abl? |
| 00:55.35 | lcuk | ill make a proper note of the observations |
| 00:55.37 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, we're gonna be using b.m.o soon. |
| 00:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | But, uh, guenther is being really lazy about the templates. |
| 00:55.47 | jott | but brightness handling will be moved to mce :/ |
| 00:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | jott, dsme may actually include mce. |
| 00:56.06 | jott | so not much to patch in dsme :/ |
| 00:56.09 | jott | no |
| 00:56.13 | KotCzarny | so what gets open in effect? |
| 00:56.21 | lcuk | would be nice to get userspace access to cpufreq as well ;) |
| 00:56.28 | jott | mce stays separate. gets more functions and remains closed. |
| 00:56.47 | jott | (that's the info i got from the dsme/mce devs at least :) |
| 00:56.49 | GeneralAntilles | jott, sarcasm or for truths you got from the Summit? :P |
| 00:56.56 | GeneralAntilles | lol, for serious? |
| 00:57.00 | jott | yes :( |
| 00:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | That's such fucking bullshit. |
| 00:57.14 | GeneralAntilles | may have to do a write-up on that one. |
| 00:57.26 | GeneralAntilles | Token open sourcing |
| 00:57.28 | GeneralAntilles | that's really awesome. |
| 00:57.54 | GeneralAntilles | So, basically, Nokia shouldn't get any credit at all for open sourcing dsme? |
| 00:58.39 | jott | well more of the hardware related abstraction goes to mce.. |
| 00:58.51 | jott | maybe some mce stuff makes it into dsme.. |
| 00:58.58 | jott | still f*cked up.. |
| 00:59.18 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna pitch a fit whenever the code hits Garage and turns out to be nothing. |
| 00:59.35 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what the logic behind that could possibly be. |
| 00:59.39 | jott | and the devs already had to fight for dsme being opened... |
| 00:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | But if it's just for earning brownie points with the community with some token open sourcing then everybody needs to know. |
| 01:00.00 | GeneralAntilles | Man |
| 01:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | What a let down. |
| 01:00.24 | jott | yeah. you can imagine rm_you and my disappointment when we talked to the dev... |
| 01:00.42 | jott | i mean he was open for suggestions and adding some stuff to mce. |
| 01:00.51 | jott | but in the end i doubt it will get into any release.. |
| 01:01.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 01:01.09 | GeneralAntilles | Soft poweroff still hasn't been fixed. |
| 01:01.16 | GeneralAntilles | 10 months later. |
| 01:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | Man, they are gonna have another thing coming if they think they can pull shit like that and get kudos for it. |
| 01:04.30 | GeneralAntilles | This differentiation nonsense is really killing us. |
| 01:04.41 | jott | i mean design-wise it makes sense to move the stuff to mce but it's still a big let down |
| 01:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to go eviscerate all the retarded MBAs over at Nokia. |
| 01:05.13 | jott | yeah well and mce is not even remotely a gui part.. :/ |
| 01:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | What was the other thing on the slide? |
| 01:05.33 | GeneralAntilles | "power management" |
| 01:05.48 | jott | yer bme .. |
| 01:06.03 | GeneralAntilles | Man |
| 01:06.07 | GeneralAntilles | is pissed off now. |
| 01:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | Tick tock, Nokia. |
| 01:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | Release the code so we can destroy you. |
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| 01:11.50 | jott | GeneralAntilles: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff/2884900465/ :P |
| 01:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should caption Quim |
| 01:12.18 | GeneralAntilles | "Onwards! To adventure!" |
| 01:14.38 | lcuk | someone should photoshop FSM on the projection |
| 01:15.23 | KotCzarny | in place of the shadow? |
| 01:15.33 | Jaredu | ok |
| 01:15.34 | Jaredu | back |
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| 01:19.38 | Jaredu | wow |
| 01:19.39 | Jaredu | yay |
| 01:19.43 | Jaredu | DUN works now |
| 01:19.44 | Jaredu | sweet |
| 01:21.07 | Jaredu | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 01:21.09 | Jaredu | oops |
| 01:21.11 | KotCzarny | fail. |
| 01:21.11 | Jaredu | sorry |
| 01:21.21 | Jaredu | was laying on keyboard setting up clock on tablet lol |
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| 01:31.26 | lcuk | heh, thats not fail its full of plus |
| 01:31.36 | KotCzarny | full of prius |
| 01:31.48 | Jaredu | lol |
| 01:32.35 | lcuk | ouchy |
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| 01:33.02 | Jaredu | what is the recommended root application other than ssh |
| 01:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | ~root-access |
| 01:33.13 | infobot | root-access is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 01:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh |
| 01:33.17 | infobot | methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 01:34.05 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 01:34.11 | Jaredu | all my repositories are gone O_O |
| 01:35.05 | Jaredu | www.gronmayer.com/it/ good? |
| 01:35.25 | KotCzarny | i just use extras |
| 01:35.52 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer == evil |
| 01:36.09 | Jaredu | why o.O? |
| 01:36.13 | KotCzarny | mess |
| 01:36.19 | Jaredu | >.< |
| 01:36.21 | KotCzarny | unchecked mess |
| 01:36.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:36.28 | Jaredu | useful though? |
| 01:36.31 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 01:36.33 | lcuk | cos if you use the maemo extras repo - you know the apps you install will be there forever :) |
| 01:36.38 | Jaredu | herh |
| 01:36.39 | Jaredu | heh |
| 01:36.39 | KotCzarny | if you seek one particular package |
| 01:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer == broken device |
| 01:36.58 | Jaredu | O_O |
| 01:37.03 | Jaredu | crap |
| 01:37.03 | Jaredu | lol |
| 01:37.27 | lcuk | gronmayer, solution to something which is no longer required for 2008 :) |
| 01:37.35 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 01:37.36 | Jaredu | crap lol |
| 01:37.39 | lcuk | i would gather its still useful for the older oses |
| 01:37.46 | Jaredu | heh |
| 01:37.52 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 01:37.59 | Jaredu | anyway to reset to default repositories then |
| 01:38.03 | Jaredu | cause i just installed them all lol |
| 01:38.03 | lcuk | you have a kittery keyboard |
| 01:38.16 | Jaredu | kittery? |
| 01:38.17 | lcuk | nice |
| 01:38.24 | lcuk | jittery |
| 01:38.29 | Jaredu | heh |
| 01:38.40 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:39.51 | LiraNuna | lo there |
| 01:39.59 | Jaredu | yo |
| 01:40.08 | Jaredu | lcuk: any way i can restore default repo's |
| 01:40.09 | Jaredu | ? |
| 01:40.14 | LiraNuna | is there a way to run GNOME on N810? |
| 01:40.26 | Jaredu | yes, kinda |
| 01:40.28 | LiraNuna | I saw XFCE on it |
| 01:40.39 | LiraNuna | I'd love nautilus/gedit on it though |
| 01:40.50 | KotCzarny | you have only 128mb of ram |
| 01:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | ~deblet |
| 01:40.56 | infobot | deblet is, like, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 01:40.57 | lcuk | Jaredu, im not the best to ask, but i would gather you can do a bulk cleanup by editing /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 01:41.02 | KotCzarny | most of which is already taken by few hogs |
| 01:41.03 | lcuk | KotCzarny, is that right ^ ? |
| 01:41.13 | LiraNuna | I know deblet |
| 01:41.22 | KotCzarny | well, he can simply uncheck them |
| 01:41.29 | lcuk | one by one |
| 01:41.43 | lcuk | wants em gone |
| 01:41.50 | LiraNuna | oh my, I missed that one -> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/nit-env-gnome-basic.png |
| 01:41.53 | jott | yeah "uncheck" by "dd" :) |
| 01:42.08 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:42.27 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 01:42.31 | Jaredu | shroot isnt on my list |
| 01:42.32 | Jaredu | odd |
| 01:42.42 | Jaredu | wait |
| 01:42.46 | Jaredu | it was rootsh |
| 01:42.46 | Jaredu | lol |
| 01:42.46 | Jaredu | sec |
| 01:42.50 | Jaredu | haha |
| 01:42.51 | Jaredu | ./retarded |
| 01:44.08 | LiraNuna | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/scrF1.jpg |
| 01:44.12 | LiraNuna | is that epiphany? |
| 01:44.28 | Jaredu | xfce |
| 01:44.30 | Jaredu | actually |
| 01:44.31 | Jaredu | :P |
| 01:44.38 | LiraNuna | the browser. |
| 01:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | Epiphany is a web browser. . . . |
| 01:44.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's Epiphany. |
| 01:44.48 | Jaredu | ah lol |
| 01:45.03 | LiraNuna | I'd love to give webkit epiphany a try |
| 01:45.10 | LiraNuna | especially on the n810 |
| 01:45.21 | evaryont | Is there a program that'll display slides from a .ppt file? |
| 01:45.36 | LiraNuna | OpenOffice? :D |
| 01:45.48 | evaryont | LiraNuna: does that run smoothly on a n800 :) |
| 01:45.57 | LiraNuna | no idea :D |
| 01:46.04 | Jaredu | openoffice is slow O_O |
| 01:46.10 | evaryont | heh |
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| 01:46.19 | Jaredu | takes forever to load lol |
| 01:46.21 | Jaredu | but it can work |
| 01:46.33 | evaryont | Jaredu: any alts? I don't need editing - just viewing |
| 01:46.41 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 01:46.46 | Jaredu | maybe google docs? |
| 01:46.50 | Jaredu | i dunno if they do ppt |
| 01:47.14 | evaryont | they do. but it's google :S |
| 01:47.21 | Mek | kpresenter :P also a bit slot though (and uses quite some disk space), and I'm not sure how well the ppt import filter is |
| 01:47.24 | Jaredu | lol |
| 01:47.39 | evaryont | plus, I'm not allowed to put these ppts online (crazy rules...) |
| 01:47.56 | jott | convert them to pdf? :) |
| 01:47.58 | KotCzarny | fireup ppt and save slides as jpgs ? |
| 01:48.00 | jott | on the desktop... |
| 01:48.08 | jott | yeah or pngs. |
| 01:48.15 | evaryont | pngs > jpgs imo :P |
| 01:48.21 | KotCzarny | depends on content |
| 01:48.21 | evaryont | anw, that seems like the best way. |
| 01:48.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:49.24 | evaryont | on the linux desktop, is there a ppt->txt converter? |
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| 01:49.39 | KotCzarny | i think i saw one |
| 01:49.55 | evaryont | KotCzarny: perhaps you remember it's name? :) |
| 01:50.02 | KotCzarny | looking |
| 01:50.08 | evaryont | thanks :) |
| 01:50.10 | jott | there is ppthtml |
| 01:50.26 | KotCzarny | catdoc ? |
| 01:50.37 | Jaredu | anyone know an ssh client for windows so i can view my desktop on tablet or how to setup putty to do so? :) |
| 01:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | Wow |
| 01:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | The new VGBA is way faster. |
| 01:50.50 | KotCzarny | jaredu: vnc |
| 01:50.53 | Jaredu | 80% isnt playable imo |
| 01:50.55 | evaryont | Jaredu: look into vnc |
| 01:51.00 | Jaredu | vnc eh? |
| 01:51.04 | Jaredu | pay or no? |
| 01:51.05 | jott | GeneralAntilles: thanks to direct framebuffer rendering :) |
| 01:51.07 | KotCzarny | evaryont: http://ftp.wagner.pp.ru/~vitus/software/catdoc/ |
| 01:51.16 | evaryont | KotCzarny: arch has a pkg for it :) |
| 01:51.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | Upscaling got a lot uglier, though. |
| 01:51.27 | KotCzarny | then you should get catppt command |
| 01:51.41 | evaryont | time to set up a quick shell script... |
| 01:51.56 | evaryont | convert each ppt to a series of pngs + a big ol' text file :D |
| 01:52.39 | jott | hm does catdoc support ppt?! |
| 01:52.50 | KotCzarny | jott: it has few subcommands |
| 01:53.03 | jott | ah |
| 01:53.08 | KotCzarny | xls2csv for example |
| 01:53.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:53.13 | evaryont | :) |
| 01:53.22 | evaryont | catdoc++ \o/ |
| 01:53.39 | evaryont | though I haven't found a pkg for Arch that does ppt-><img format of choice> |
| 01:53.59 | jott | evaryont: openoffice? :) |
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| 01:54.33 | evaryont | jott: I don't really want to load it just to convert a file. Also, I don't know if it's scriptable |
| 01:54.41 | jott | it is |
| 01:54.53 | jott | even without launching the main gui |
| 01:54.59 | LiraNuna | can deblet do skype? |
| 01:55.01 | evaryont | hmm |
| 01:55.09 | evaryont | jott: I'll look into it. Thanks :) |
| 01:55.17 | Jaredu | wtf! |
| 01:55.19 | LiraNuna | I see the .install file is just text |
| 01:55.29 | Jaredu | i ssh'ed into my tablet as root@localhost and /home is still no permissions |
| 01:55.31 | Jaredu | what the heck |
| 01:56.02 | Jaredu | wtf.. |
| 01:58.22 | jott | evaryont: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=7796 |
| 01:58.57 | jott | something like this |
| 02:01.13 | evaryont | jott: thanks! |
| 02:01.59 | jott | i guess it's some sort of OOo faq judging from the google results :) |
| 02:02.40 | evaryont | :) |
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| 02:16.14 | evaryont | jott: do you mind being tech support? Given file "a_presentation.ppt", how would I run that script? I know I'd have to pass -headless, but that's about it :S |
| 02:16.52 | jott | http://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/batch-command-line-file-conversion-with.html maybe this will help? |
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| 02:18.36 | evaryont | jott: it just might :) |
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| 02:28.40 | evaryont | jott: he he, links to links, found 'unoconv'...and there's a pkg for that! :) |
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| 02:40.43 | gregorovius | evaryont: arch is great |
| 02:40.49 | gregorovius | there's always a package |
| 02:48.12 | Jaredu | alright |
| 02:48.15 | Jaredu | i got it to untar and crap |
| 02:48.20 | Jaredu | now i need to try installing fennec again |
| 02:55.45 | evaryont | gregorovius: heh |
| 02:56.03 | evaryont | Jaredu: hope it goes well. |
| 02:56.17 | Jaredu | hasnt so far |
| 02:56.26 | Jaredu | stupid stupid stupid >.< |
| 02:56.31 | Jaredu | same freakin' think |
| 02:57.45 | Jaredu | thing |
| 02:58.47 | Jaredu | HAH |
| 02:58.51 | Jaredu | i made it work xD |
| 02:59.26 | Jaredu | it looks um |
| 02:59.27 | Jaredu | strange |
| 02:59.27 | Jaredu | lol |
| 03:00.11 | Jaredu | that took alot of tinkering |
| 03:00.12 | Jaredu | heh |
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| 03:05.43 | Jaredu | ugh |
| 03:05.53 | KotCzarny | didn't take long? |
| 03:05.53 | Jaredu | GeneralAntilles: how did you get fennec working at all? |
| 03:05.54 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | Just install it |
| 03:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | but, seriously, it's not worth the trouble right now. |
| 03:06.28 | Jaredu | it wont run |
| 03:06.34 | Jaredu | xulrunner is broken >.< |
| 03:07.02 | Jaredu | i can do fennec in terminal and it'll run |
| 03:07.05 | Jaredu | but its screwey |
| 03:07.18 | Jaredu | the tabs form an L shape in the top left |
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| 03:18.00 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 03:18.03 | Jaredu | how do i use openssh xD |
| 03:18.15 | KotCzarny | ... |
| 03:18.28 | KotCzarny | ssh user@host |
| 03:18.35 | Jaredu | mmk |
| 03:18.43 | Jaredu | host = ip user=? |
| 03:18.49 | KotCzarny | ip or domain |
| 03:18.57 | KotCzarny | user is a user you want to log as |
| 03:19.02 | KotCzarny | root, user, jaredu |
| 03:19.13 | KotCzarny | whatever is in /etc/passwd and enabled to login |
| 03:21.29 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 03:21.31 | Jaredu | connection refused |
| 03:21.32 | Jaredu | heh |
| 03:21.54 | KotCzarny | have you installed openssh after reflash? |
| 03:22.15 | Jaredu | yes |
| 03:22.23 | KotCzarny | ps ax|grep sshd |
| 03:22.31 | Jaredu | though; xulrunner is on here again after trying to install fennec x..x |
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| 03:22.36 | Jaredu | sec |
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| 03:24.06 | Jaredu | i cant find the stupid | key on the tablet O_O |
| 03:24.20 | KotCzarny | chr ? |
| 03:24.34 | Jaredu | yu |
| 03:24.37 | Jaredu | ty |
| 03:24.57 | Jaredu | ok |
| 03:25.25 | Jaredu | 1933 root 3180 swn /usr/sbin/sshd 2577 user 1888 RTW grep sshd |
| 03:25.30 | Jaredu | RW* |
| 03:25.32 | KotCzarny | then it's running |
| 03:25.42 | KotCzarny | check the ip |
| 03:25.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:26.09 | Jaredu | problem is my windows machine lol |
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| 03:29.50 | Jaredu | ughh |
| 03:29.56 | Jaredu | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.05 | KotCzarny | get what? |
| 03:30.21 | Jaredu | vnc server properties |
| 03:30.26 | Jaredu | or anything on this windows crap |
| 03:30.31 | KotCzarny | well |
| 03:30.34 | Jaredu | on linux it's so freaking easy |
| 03:30.43 | KotCzarny | just leave on defaults |
| 03:30.44 | KotCzarny | then |
| 03:30.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:30.50 | Jaredu | i have to set a port and crap |
| 03:30.56 | Jaredu | its over wifi so i have a specific ip |
| 03:31.05 | Jaredu | like 127.0.0.11 or something |
| 03:31.17 | KotCzarny | 127.0.0.1 is localhost |
| 03:31.20 | KotCzarny | virtual network |
| 03:31.34 | Jaredu | ok |
| 03:31.43 | Jaredu | so say im trying to login to that from my tablet or viceversa |
| 03:32.14 | KotCzarny | use normal ip |
| 03:32.20 | KotCzarny | that is on the interface |
| 03:32.27 | KotCzarny | usually 192.168.something |
| 03:32.28 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 03:32.30 | Jaredu | connection refused |
| 03:32.34 | Jaredu | may be router settings |
| 03:32.36 | Jaredu | sec |
| 03:32.42 | KotCzarny | unlikely |
| 03:32.48 | KotCzarny | most probably wrong machine |
| 03:32.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | Connection refused means there's no sshd running on whatever machine you're trying to connect to. |
| 03:33.53 | Jaredu | ok |
| 03:33.57 | Jaredu | so how do i do that o.O |
| 03:34.07 | KotCzarny | in windows: ipconfig |
| 03:34.12 | KotCzarny | should print your ip |
| 03:34.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:34.22 | KotCzarny | in linux: ifconfig |
| 03:35.29 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.57 | Jaredu | i have my ip |
| 03:35.59 | Jaredu | 70.113.61.211 |
| 03:36.04 | KotCzarny | that's public ip |
| 03:36.07 | Jaredu | yes |
| 03:36.14 | KotCzarny | probably router's one |
| 03:36.19 | Jaredu | nope |
| 03:36.22 | Jaredu | www.whatismyip.com |
| 03:36.25 | KotCzarny | ... |
| 03:36.29 | Jaredu | heh |
| 03:36.29 | KotCzarny | trust me |
| 03:36.35 | Jaredu | im going to have to be able to do this from school as well |
| 03:36.39 | KotCzarny | it's ip that will router respond |
| 03:36.41 | Jaredu | so i need the public setup |
| 03:36.47 | KotCzarny | ah, well |
| 03:36.52 | KotCzarny | so you need port forwrding then |
| 03:37.33 | Jaredu | i have that |
| 03:37.44 | Jaredu | it's setup for my torrents so i know the port as well |
| 03:38.02 | KotCzarny | yes, but do you also forward vnc/ssh/whatever you want? |
| 03:38.12 | Jaredu | hmm? |
| 03:38.22 | Jaredu | i simply set the vnc ports to the same forwarded ports im already using |
| 03:38.26 | Jaredu | 32xxxx |
| 03:38.31 | KotCzarny | k |
| 03:39.41 | Jaredu | http://darisa.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/guillotine-toilet.jpg |
| 03:39.47 | Jaredu | windows makes me want to go there. |
| 03:39.54 | KotCzarny | won't work |
| 03:40.04 | KotCzarny | too high |
| 03:40.12 | Jaredu | you'd be suprised ;) |
| 03:40.13 | KotCzarny | and too close to the wall |
| 03:40.25 | Jaredu | anyway |
| 03:40.31 | KotCzarny | anyway, breakfast time |
| 03:40.31 | Jaredu | back to vnc crap |
| 03:42.45 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 03:43.06 | Jaredu | i tried the ip and then the port number like xx.xxx.xx.xx:32xxx |
| 03:43.07 | Jaredu | didnt work >.< |
| 03:43.21 | KotCzarny | you can't try it from inside your network |
| 03:43.32 | Jaredu | ah |
| 03:43.40 | KotCzarny | what port it is? |
| 03:43.40 | Jaredu | would i have to do local then? |
| 03:43.43 | Jaredu | 32459 |
| 03:43.53 | KotCzarny | what password? |
| 03:43.58 | Jaredu | sec |
| 03:44.10 | Jaredu | testalpha |
| 03:44.12 | Jaredu | ==pass |
| 03:44.18 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 03:44.19 | KotCzarny | works |
| 03:44.31 | Jaredu | hmm? |
| 03:44.39 | Jaredu | how so o.O |
| 03:44.42 | KotCzarny | i just logged to your vnc |
| 03:44.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:44.46 | Jaredu | heh |
| 03:44.47 | KotCzarny | change the pass |
| 03:44.51 | Jaredu | see the desktop? |
| 03:44.56 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 03:44.58 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 03:45.01 | KotCzarny | but closed it already |
| 03:45.07 | KotCzarny | also it's slow |
| 03:45.10 | Jaredu | odd, linux prompts me :P |
| 03:45.14 | KotCzarny | remove the wallpaper |
| 03:45.18 | Jaredu | heh |
| 03:45.52 | KotCzarny | and try tightvnc |
| 03:46.00 | Jaredu | ah |
| 03:46.00 | Jaredu | sec |
| 03:46.01 | KotCzarny | should give jpeg compression |
| 03:46.16 | KotCzarny | which looks ugly, but is very good for slow links |
| 03:46.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:46.37 | KotCzarny | and yes, locally you have to use local ips |
| 03:46.49 | Jaredu | :P |
| 03:47.01 | Jaredu | mmk then... lesee.. |
| 03:47.08 | Jaredu | on the tablet, how would i start the server? |
| 03:47.14 | Jaredu | so i can view it on my desktop |
| 03:47.17 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 03:47.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:47.24 | Jaredu | ah |
| 03:47.34 | KotCzarny | i think there is only client for nit |
| 03:47.45 | Jaredu | nope |
| 03:47.48 | KotCzarny | it might have changed since i last checked |
| 03:47.53 | Jaredu | openssh openssh client openssh server |
| 03:47.57 | Jaredu | i got all installed :D |
| 03:48.00 | KotCzarny | vnc != ssh |
| 03:48.06 | Jaredu | gah |
| 03:48.11 | Jaredu | difference being? |
| 03:48.18 | KotCzarny | ssh is text based |
| 03:48.23 | Jaredu | ah crap |
| 03:48.27 | Jaredu | any vnc's for nit? |
| 03:48.32 | KotCzarny | but more powerfull |
| 03:48.58 | Jaredu | this could be why it wasnt working |
| 03:48.59 | Jaredu | heh |
| 03:49.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:49.24 | Jaredu | rdesktop eh? |
| 03:49.28 | Jaredu | lesee.. |
| 03:49.30 | KotCzarny | windowsissh |
| 03:49.35 | KotCzarny | and also only client |
| 03:49.36 | bef0rd | rdesktop is just a client |
| 03:49.36 | Jaredu | ? |
| 03:49.45 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 03:49.46 | Jaredu | meaning |
| 03:50.00 | KotCzarny | meaning you can view m$ desktop on nit |
| 03:50.03 | KotCzarny | but not other way |
| 03:50.06 | Jaredu | ah |
| 03:50.08 | Jaredu | can i edit? |
| 03:50.12 | KotCzarny | edit what? |
| 03:50.14 | Jaredu | like drag file etc |
| 03:50.19 | Jaredu | upload to site or w/e |
| 03:50.23 | Jaredu | basic things |
| 03:50.31 | KotCzarny | same as in vnc |
| 03:50.34 | Jaredu | kk |
| 03:50.37 | KotCzarny | ie. virtual monitor |
| 03:50.42 | Jaredu | k |
| 03:50.46 | KotCzarny | you can do anything you can on usual one |
| 03:50.54 | Jaredu | so long as the tablet can see the pc, i dont care about viceversa |
| 03:51.02 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:51.09 | KotCzarny | then just run vnc client on nit |
| 03:51.17 | KotCzarny | and give it windoze ip |
| 03:51.30 | KotCzarny | local when in home |
| 03:51.36 | KotCzarny | and public when in school |
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| 04:18.39 | RST38h | boo. |
| 04:18.44 | KotCzarny | bliny. |
| 04:18.48 | KotCzarny | mmm |
| 04:19.45 | malikul | hey kotCzarny or RST38h are you good with python by anychance? |
| 04:19.54 | KotCzarny | not |
| 04:20.17 | KotCzarny | i prefer cats to reptilians |
| 04:20.57 | RST38h | nope |
| 04:21.27 | solmumaha | morning |
| 04:23.18 | RST38h | "...urgent warnings from the president and pleas from a Treasury secretary who knelt before the House speaker and appealed for her support." |
| 04:23.47 | RST38h | He *knelt*. That's how you know things are fucked up in the XXI century |
| 04:25.07 | RST38h | If money isnt loosened up, this sucker could go down, President Bush declared Thursday as he watched the $700 billion bailout package fall apart before his eyes, according to one person in the room. |
| 04:30.01 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 04:30.07 | KotCzarny | rst38h: link? |
| 04:32.40 | KotCzarny | nvm, googled it |
| 04:32.53 | gregorovius | anybody has any idea when/if lightmediascanner with ogg support will be out? it's been 2 months since I got my n800 and still no dice =/ |
| 04:33.22 | KotCzarny | greg, recompile/hack yourself? |
| 04:33.31 | KotCzarny | then submit a patch :) |
| 04:33.50 | gregorovius | it'd love to, but it's out of my league atm |
| 04:33.56 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 04:34.01 | KotCzarny | copypaste mp3 sections? |
| 04:34.25 | gregorovius | I think somebody would've already done it if it were so easy |
| 04:35.21 | KotCzarny | i think all are just being lazy |
| 04:35.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:38.27 | gregorovius | I hope canola beta 10 includes ogg support |
| 04:38.38 | KotCzarny | i just use mplayer |
| 04:38.38 | gregorovius | I don't think anyone's being lazy, to be honest |
| 04:38.48 | KotCzarny | and my playfilelist ncurses ui |
| 04:38.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:39.10 | gregorovius | ncurses? too hacky for me :) |
| 04:39.25 | KotCzarny | but more versatile |
| 04:39.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:41.45 | malikul | ncurse has its roll but I usually feel it is a dev being lazy if they use it |
| 04:41.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:42.05 | KotCzarny | i like ncurses because then i can use app over ssh |
| 04:42.08 | KotCzarny | and on screen |
| 04:42.24 | KotCzarny | it's not so trivial with graphical uis |
| 04:42.32 | KotCzarny | that are more shiny, but less usefull |
| 04:42.49 | KotCzarny | so don't underestimate text mode |
| 04:43.19 | malikul | haha |
| 04:43.21 | RST38h | KotCzarny: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/business/26bailout.html?ref=politics |
| 04:44.24 | malikul | ahh I cannot get os.execvp to work |
| 04:56.33 | malikul | hey guys I need your help with a python script I am running. have a background python script running from init.d. The script takes in parameters and then executes a commandline program. System is debian based. I would like the program to launch the second program in its own environment. As it a completely seperate process. I am using os.execvp but i keep getting errors. command is as follows... os.execvp( 'sudo', 'sudo', 'program', |
| 04:56.33 | malikul | '-s', '-f', 'config.file') is that the correct format? I am getting all sorts of errors...also would you recommend using a different api instead of os.execvp? I have read the doc's and call popen don't seem to fit the bill. |
| 04:57.45 | KotCzarny | is not python proficient |
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| 05:03.50 | malikul | aww raspberries trolling the doc's so more it is |
| 05:03.55 | malikul | fuck deadlines! |
| 05:04.15 | KotCzarny | raspberries? |
| 05:06.29 | malikul | from the simpsons...like cussing but no so much |
| 05:06.42 | malikul | :-) |
| 05:06.49 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 05:06.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 05:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, VGBA feels much snappier |
| 05:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | but the upscaling is kinda ugly. |
| 05:14.19 | Jaredu | when did they update it? |
| 05:14.29 | GeneralAntilles | A few hours ago. |
| 05:14.31 | Jaredu | ah |
| 05:14.32 | Jaredu | nice |
| 05:14.35 | Jaredu | i will have to try |
| 05:14.40 | Jaredu | it was terrible a few days ago O_O |
| 05:14.48 | Jaredu | sound was super choppy :P |
| 05:16.11 | KotCzarny | maybe your nokia is slower than other? :P |
| 05:16.17 | KotCzarny | *others |
| 05:16.30 | Jaredu | heh |
| 05:16.35 | KotCzarny | just kidding |
| 05:16.37 | Jaredu | :P |
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| 05:19.21 | bef0rd | updates vgba |
| 05:20.08 | Jaredu | wow |
| 05:20.11 | Jaredu | im super impressed |
| 05:20.23 | Jaredu | like 93% speed |
| 05:23.46 | malikul | night all |
| 05:24.08 | Jaredu | i love the creator of vgba now :D |
| 05:30.17 | Jaredu | anyone know of any snes emus that work decently for n810? |
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| 06:26.15 | GAN800 | tekojo, how close are we to the new servers? |
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| 06:31.26 | tekojo | The pages are served from there |
| 06:31.36 | tekojo | But not downloads, planet and wiki :-( |
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| 06:34.33 | tekojo | Actually when I compare the load speeds, ssl seems to be the biggest factor slowing the system |
| 06:39.35 | gomiam | tekojo: SSL is a slowdown factor? How so? What processor are you using? |
| 06:39.49 | gomiam | oh, sorry |
| 06:39.56 | gomiam | I thought this was another channel O:-) |
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| 06:40.41 | tekojo | No problem |
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| 07:32.53 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 07:38.34 | samppa | hello |
| 07:39.00 | samppa | how can i develop gps program inside scratchbox, i mean how can i get some fake gps signal? |
| 07:42.01 | hrw | morning |
| 07:42.16 | hrw | samppa: connect gps to you box? |
| 07:42.45 | samppa | is it easily done? |
| 07:43.30 | hrw | samppa: remember one simple thing - scratchbox is NOT emulator |
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| 07:43.51 | hrw | it is just sick tool to build software in crazy way |
| 07:43.58 | samppa | indeed :) |
| 07:45.18 | samppa | but if i dont have gps, but i still want to do gps software, is there some fakegps to provide gps data ? |
| 07:46.17 | hrw | no idea |
| 07:47.02 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:47.26 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 07:47.53 | samppa | morning |
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| 07:56.14 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 08:09.20 | AStorm | blah, it seems that there's no maemo-mapper for Diablo... |
| 08:09.31 | RST38h | mm? |
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| 08:09.37 | johnx | AStorm, isn't it in extras or extras-devel? |
| 08:09.44 | AStorm | in neither |
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| 08:10.07 | RST38h | did install it from somewhere |
| 08:10.09 | AStorm | and to be extra sure, I did a search in redpill |
| 08:10.19 | johnx | and the chinook version doesn't work? |
| 08:10.22 | AStorm | yeah, I guess chinook install file will work |
| 08:10.30 | AStorm | but then, PEOPLE, fix the repos! |
| 08:10.49 | RST38h | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=maemo-mapper&Section=&Repo=0 |
| 08:10.53 | X-Fade | gnuite made a mistake with the diablo upload. It will be fixed soon, I guess. |
| 08:11.08 | AStorm | gah |
| 08:11.11 | AStorm | bugs ;P |
| 08:11.16 | AStorm | what a release |
| 08:11.28 | AStorm | and I thought I waited long enough |
| 08:12.12 | AStorm | funny part is that topomaps are in |
| 08:12.17 | AStorm | but not mapper |
| 08:13.44 | RST38h | there are topographic maps for the mapper? |
| 08:14.42 | AStorm | finland, yes |
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| 08:14.52 | AStorm | not important for me, obviously |
| 08:15.08 | AStorm | "unable to download, package not found" |
| 08:15.12 | AStorm | screams blood |
| 08:15.24 | AStorm | you *tricked* me into installing broken diablo |
| 08:15.44 | AStorm | I'd probably have to add chinook repos |
| 08:15.59 | AStorm | but that will most likely break the system |
| 08:16.37 | johnx | AStorm, it shouldn't |
| 08:16.44 | johnx | and for maemo mapper just grab the .debs for now |
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| 08:17.03 | AStorm | from where? gnuiite's site? |
| 08:17.11 | AStorm | another q: maemopad+ |
| 08:17.22 | johnx | first result for maemo mapper is the garage page |
| 08:17.54 | AStorm | which has .install files and older versions? :P |
| 08:18.19 | johnx | it'll work for now to tide you over :P |
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| 08:19.26 | AStorm | hmm, is there already that nice hacked version available? (with more efficient map storage) |
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| 08:32.38 | bongo | will start a new money box for the next tablet :D |
| 08:33.13 | keesj | simply will try not to buy a iphone |
| 08:34.01 | bongo | i don't like the iphone ;) |
| 08:34.25 | AStorm | hmm, it seems that my new Samsung U700 looks over USB like a standard AT modem in one mode |
| 08:34.38 | AStorm | but then, I couldn't connect to it with gnokii over BT |
| 08:34.46 | AStorm | because it doesn't recognize it |
| 08:34.48 | AStorm | blah |
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| 08:47.09 | hrw | AStorm: you have u700? |
| 08:47.34 | hrw | gnokii.... no comments |
| 08:47.44 | AStorm | hrw: sure, I do |
| 08:47.55 | AStorm | phonelink uses gnokii, so, yes comments |
| 08:47.58 | hrw | AStorm: satisfied? |
| 08:48.07 | AStorm | no idea yet, too new |
| 08:48.17 | bongo | there are pyqt4 packeges now. do pyqt4 apps work with internal input methods? |
| 08:48.31 | AStorm | battery seems fairly ok, but I can't test with HSDPA yet, due to lack of plan |
| 08:48.44 | hrw | AStorm: gnokii does not support nearly nothing other then nokias. gammu has wider support for phones but phonelink would need to be changed |
| 08:48.47 | AStorm | connects fine though over DUN |
| 08:49.05 | hrw | AStorm: does screen on standby works as a mirror? |
| 08:49.19 | AStorm | yes |
| 08:49.23 | hrw | cool |
| 08:49.36 | AStorm | not cool, because it kind of works as mirror not in standby |
| 08:49.38 | AStorm | ;P |
| 08:49.44 | hrw | so I will probably suggest u700 instead of lg shine for my wife |
| 08:49.49 | AStorm | reflects clouds |
| 08:49.58 | AStorm | this is actually horrible IMO ;P |
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| 08:50.52 | AStorm | ah, also, it does data transfer using camera protocol |
| 08:51.07 | AStorm | I'll check if it knows obex too |
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| 08:51.40 | hrw | AStorm: can you send java app to it over obex? |
| 08:51.48 | hrw | to get it installed |
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| 08:53.00 | AStorm | no idea, though I've heard its java is slightly crippled |
| 08:53.05 | AStorm | e.g. doesn't have bluetooth libs |
| 08:53.45 | AStorm | and I can see no files with n810 and obex, and there are quite a few |
| 08:53.50 | AStorm | (just dirs) |
| 08:53.51 | hrw | AStorm: I use j2me for games and simple apps |
| 08:54.36 | AStorm | so something is broken with obex either on n810 or that samsung ;P |
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| 08:57.53 | AStorm | after having problems with transfers to a f... macbook, I suspect it's obex in n810 that is flaky |
| 08:58.50 | RST38h | 23694 files, 922MB |
| 08:59.05 | RST38h | AStorm: Works like a charm with other Nokias, Windows, and Ubuntu |
| 09:00.33 | RST38h | Early Samsungs had problems with OBEX to an S60 phone but I hope it is not the case any more. |
| 09:03.51 | AStorm | it didn't work vs Mac |
| 09:04.02 | AStorm | at least, I had to bind 3 times |
| 09:04.16 | AStorm | and it broke connection semi randomly ;P |
| 09:04.37 | AStorm | it seems that obex is working, but doesn't show any actual *files* |
| 09:04.39 | AStorm | only dirs |
| 09:04.43 | AStorm | ehh... |
| 09:05.36 | AStorm | oh well, file manager crashed *again* |
| 09:05.54 | AStorm | drag'n'drop is crashy |
| 09:08.25 | AStorm | seems to be copying |
| 09:09.41 | AStorm | well, this is *slow* |
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| 09:13.37 | thux | Stskeeps: deblet installer cfdisk complaints my every sdcard primary partition and quits? but i can run fdisk on them in pc |
| 09:16.13 | AStorm | eh, sending these few MB over obex from n810/sdhc to this samsung is really slow |
| 09:16.35 | johnx | thux, hmm? complains how? |
| 09:16.50 | AStorm | what was the speed again? 300 kbps? |
| 09:17.09 | thux | johnx: bad primary partition ends0 |
| 09:17.31 | johnx | thux, ah. it did that for my stuff too. I would use another tool to blank it |
| 09:17.59 | johnx | I think it's some vaguely questionable partitioning from the factory |
| 09:18.44 | thux | johnx: is one ext3 partiton enough if i make them in pc? or do i need swap? |
| 09:19.03 | johnx | you don't *need* swap but it's nice to have |
| 09:19.15 | thux | ok |
| 09:19.24 | johnx | I would just delete all the partitions on something else then use cfdisk to make them again |
| 09:19.29 | johnx | not that it matters either way |
| 09:19.40 | thux | ok |
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| 09:20.03 | aquatix | is it possible to set swap to use the external card on a n810? |
| 09:20.12 | aquatix | i don't want to wear out the internal flash |
| 09:20.34 | Jaffa | Yes - definitely if you don't mind not using the GUI. |
| 09:20.54 | aquatix | i don't mind :) |
| 09:20.59 | Jaffa | Although I don't think worrying about the internal flashing wearing out is very realistic. |
| 09:21.03 | Finx | any tips on establishing an ssh tunnel to N800 through usbnet? |
| 09:21.14 | Jaffa | aquatix: just setup your own swap file and include it in /etc/fstab |
| 09:21.15 | aquatix | i thought i remembered an article on it indeed |
| 09:21.17 | aquatix | ah |
| 09:21.22 | aquatix | Jaffa: sounds logical :) |
| 09:21.42 | Jaffa | You could probably carry on using the GUI with a symlink to the /media/mmc2 one, but YMMV |
| 09:22.06 | aquatix | i don't really trust the internal flash; the FS already failed once, but that was the factory formatted one; i since formatted it myself |
| 09:22.28 | aquatix | Jaffa: atm, i don't use swap at all |
| 09:22.35 | Jaffa | fairy nuff |
| 09:22.44 | RST38h | well it wasn't a hw failure, just a logical format problem |
| 09:22.52 | Jaffa | had to reformat his internal flash for the second time after some FAT-related corruption |
| 09:23.08 | aquatix | Jaffa: yeah |
| 09:23.16 | aquatix | Jaffa: i'm thinking of formatting it ext2 or 3 |
| 09:23.28 | aquatix | and maybe adding a swap partition when i'm at it |
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| 09:23.51 | aquatix | would also make subversion work better i think |
| 09:24.05 | aquatix | it gave some errors on checking out to fat |
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| 09:27.27 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 09:28.13 | bongo | good morning :) |
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| 09:29.04 | Khertan | someone have see that ovi.com is now open ... |
| 09:29.06 | Khertan | ? |
| 09:29.30 | Jaffa | Are they relaunching ovi then? |
| 09:29.38 | Jaffa | N900 must be just around the corner! *cough* |
| 09:29.48 | thux | johnx: thanks, now cfdisk works |
| 09:30.03 | johnx | thux, good deal. :) |
| 09:30.22 | RST38h | Is ovi.com an Apple site? |
| 09:30.31 | RST38h | It has got the same design =) |
| 09:30.42 | johnx | RST38h, yes, it's apple's attempt to sell Nokia phones |
| 09:30.52 | Khertan | RST38h: not possible ... i still get no error ... so i couldn't be me.com |
| 09:30.53 | RST38h | Ah, the Horror! |
| 09:31.02 | Khertan | not really nice design |
| 09:31.06 | johnx | Khertan, heh. I was just about to say the same thing... |
| 09:31.55 | Khertan | i've already contact the support to know if there is api to sync from external apps |
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| 09:32.03 | Khertan | like mCalendar ;) |
| 09:32.43 | aquatix | just created an ovi.com account |
| 09:33.19 | RST38h | promises to create ovi.com account as soon as Nokia updates E70 firmware adding NGage support |
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| 09:42.31 | Andy80 | hi Khertan :) |
| 09:42.59 | Khertan | Hi andy |
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| 09:43.33 | aquatix | meh, ovi.com really wants to have a nokia |
| 09:43.49 | aquatix | settings for similar nokia's don't seem to work on my sony ericsson m600i |
| 09:44.40 | Andy80 | Khertan: I was lookig at your python packager... there's something I don't understand.... a Maemo installer is available, to install it on the device.... but... I did think it was a tool to install inside Scratchbox anda package python application in .deb files... am I wrong? |
| 09:45.37 | Khertan | yep ... your wrong (not really ...) |
| 09:45.48 | Khertan | It s a tools to create packages on device |
| 09:45.58 | Andy80 | oh :\ |
| 09:46.05 | Andy80 | not what I need then.. :( |
| 09:46.18 | Khertan | as you can do it with dpkg on scratchbox |
| 09:46.29 | Khertan | anyway ... there is also py2deb |
| 09:46.30 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:46.48 | Khertan | which can create source package to upload it to extras builder |
| 09:46.55 | Khertan | and works too on scratchbox |
| 09:47.13 | Andy80 | you mean this one: http://manatlan.infogami.com/py2deb ? |
| 09:47.31 | Khertan | but you can also launch PyPackage on scratchbox using ./run-standalone pypackager |
| 09:47.37 | Khertan | Andy80: not this version ... |
| 09:48.01 | Khertan | i ve made a more recent one that can sign file too, and add maemo icon on packages |
| 09:48.10 | Khertan | it s available in maemo repository |
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| 09:48.33 | Khertan | at least i should send my patch to manatlan ... as the last one i ve send wasn't complet |
| 09:48.36 | Khertan | complete |
| 09:48.56 | Khertan | http://khertan.net/py2deb.php |
| 09:49.10 | Andy80 | Khertan: where can I find your py2deb version to be able to use it on my Scratchbox? |
| 09:49.13 | Andy80 | thanks! |
| 09:49.23 | Andy80 | uhm.... |
| 09:49.26 | Andy80 | but... |
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| 09:49.31 | Andy80 | there's .install |
| 09:49.56 | Andy80 | no wait... |
| 09:50.03 | Andy80 | The requested URL /downloads/product/raw/OS2008/py2deb/ could not be found on this server. |
| 09:50.10 | Andy80 | it doesn't exist on server :) |
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| 09:51.43 | atul | Hi all, How to login to Scrach-box without password is there any way ? |
| 09:53.24 | Andy80 | atul: you don't need a password |
| 09:53.35 | Khertan | Andy80: it seems there is some problem with .install location ... it s seems the location change ... i ll look. thx. Anyway it s available in repository ... so you can install it by the app manager on the device, or apt-get install py2deb on scratchbox |
| 09:54.14 | atul | Andy80:=> We login to scratch-box by typing command over command prompt /scrachbox/login |
| 09:54.35 | Andy80 | atul: yes, but it doesn0t ask you for a password |
| 09:55.13 | Andy80 | Khertan: whic repository do I have to use? if I write: fakeroot apt-get install py2deb, it cannot find it... |
| 09:55.22 | atul | Andy80:=> I have install scratch-box on almost 5 system and in all it is asking me for password. ok is there any way to remotelly login to scratch-box wihtout aksing apsswork. |
| 09:55.27 | atul | password |
| 09:55.53 | Khertan | andy http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ |
| 09:56.06 | Andy80 | atul: I installed Scratchbox and all Maemo SDK lot of times, and it never asked me for a password :) are you sure you've installed it correctly? |
| 09:56.30 | Andy80 | Khertan: I've that repository on my Scratchbox... very strange! I'll check again... |
| 09:56.40 | atul | Andy80:=> Yes. |
| 09:57.17 | Andy80 | atul: cannot help you then... |
| 09:57.31 | atul | Andy80:=> ok thanks for your kind reply. |
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| 09:57.37 | Andy80 | atul: I'm almost sure you didn't add your user to Scratchbox.... |
| 09:57.51 | atul | Andy80:=> yes your right. |
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| 09:58.15 | atul | Andy80:=> I need to create user account and then it wont ask me for password it seems. |
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| 09:59.27 | Andy80 | atul: you didn't follow installation instructions then. Instructions tell you to add your user to Scratchbox, to have permissions to login and install all the stuff |
| 10:00.07 | atul | Andy80:=> I add one user in to the scratch-box. |
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| 10:00.37 | Andy80 | atul: "Specify users to be added to scratchbox users with '-u USER' " -->http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 10:01.21 | atul | Andy80:=> ok thanq i will try and let you inform thanks for helpl. |
| 10:01.32 | Andy80 | you're wellcome |
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| 10:03.20 | Andy80 | Khertan: I'm browsing http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ from firefox... I can see all packages, but not py2deb... |
| 10:05.24 | Andy80 | Khertan: solved :) the package name is python2.5-py2deb not py2deb |
| 10:05.41 | Khertan | sorry ... i m at work and chief was here :) |
| 10:05.50 | Khertan | so a yep ... python2.5-py2deb |
| 10:05.51 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:06.05 | Khertan | apt-cache search is always usefull :) |
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| 10:07.34 | Andy80 | Khertan: oh sorry, then I won't disturb you :) |
| 10:07.39 | woglinde | crofton what does file say when you ran it on cursor-bad.png |
| 10:08.45 | woglinde | args |
| 10:09.00 | woglinde | sorry |
| 10:09.03 | woglinde | wrong channel |
| 10:11.53 | Khertan | Does syncml is the used protocol to sync device from ovi ? |
| 10:19.58 | lcuk | peeks in |
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| 10:28.35 | Jaffa | Khertan: I'd guess so |
| 10:30.03 | Jaffa | Khertan: according to http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/7993_Nokia_demonstrates_Ovi_updates.php - yes, it's SyncML based |
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| 10:37.27 | lardman | Jaffa: meeting 8pm sat? |
| 10:37.44 | Jaffa | lardman: aye |
| 10:37.53 | lardman | right |
| 10:38.03 | Jaffa | ...unless I forget. |
| 10:39.08 | lardman | likewise :) |
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| 10:40.13 | lardman | melmoth: I tried the suggestion, and in the end found a configure switch to disable python binding generation |
| 10:40.31 | lardman | melmoth: mainly as the suggestion didn't seem to work for me, user error I imagine |
| 10:41.46 | Khertan | configure switch to disable python binding generation ... gggrrrrrr not a good idea |
| 10:42.06 | lardman | why not? |
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| 10:42.29 | Khertan | thx jaffa |
| 10:42.42 | lardman | I'd be happy to reenable it but scratchbox gets hung up |
| 10:42.58 | Khertan | lardman: i don't know ... as i don't know what your are talking about :) |
| 10:43.10 | lardman | building Navit |
| 10:43.45 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 10:44.03 | Khertan | yep ... but it can be usefull for python dev to create the binding too :) |
| 10:44.23 | lardman | true, I'll post the error output and a python dev can track down the source ;) |
| 10:47.53 | Khertan | bye ... going to eat |
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| 10:48.12 | lcuk | ahhh food, something i cannot have :( |
| 10:48.21 | lcuk | dreams of bacon |
| 10:51.03 | robtaylor | lcuk: how so? |
| 10:51.25 | lcuk | tooth is still throbbin like a bitch and my throat feels like its on fire |
| 10:51.37 | robtaylor | lcuk: urgh! |
| 10:52.01 | lcuk | when are you plannin on comin over my way - we will have to take youngest to the pub if its before 3pm ;) |
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| 10:52.29 | robtaylor | lcuk: well, dunno yet, I'm waiting for the people selling the piano to let me know when they're free |
| 10:52.45 | melmoth | lardman: so you got navit compiled then ? |
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| 10:53.19 | lcuk | fair enough, ill ask the missus where a decent pub is then (for obvious reasons im not normally a drinker) |
| 10:54.03 | robtaylor | lcuk: obvious reasons == small children? :) |
| 10:55.16 | lcuk | heh, thats part of it yer, anyway give me a shout later, im goin for lunch |
| 10:55.45 | robtaylor | lardman: enjoy |
| 10:55.51 | robtaylor | * lcuk |
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| 10:58.07 | sneakret | obvious reasons == muslim/mormon? |
| 10:58.09 | sneakret | ;) |
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| 11:04.35 | lardman | melmoth: not quite, missing hildon libs, need to update pkg-config |
| 11:09.48 | lardman | melmoth: what I could do with is some debianisation stuff, tried to copy in from elsewhere and it killed the build |
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| 11:20.27 | Khertan | Hi again ... |
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| 11:31.41 | lcuk | hi mgedmin |
| 11:31.53 | mgedmin | gaargh |
| 11:31.54 | mgedmin | hi |
| 11:32.18 | lcuk | im sorry i dont have highlights for gaargh |
| 11:32.21 | lcuk | :D |
| 11:32.26 | lcuk | everythin ok? |
| 11:36.09 | mgedmin | shrugs |
| 11:36.11 | mgedmin | headache again |
| 11:36.44 | mgedmin | and bloody apple with their bloody proprietary lock-in policies |
| 11:37.02 | mgedmin | I wanted to get an iPod shuffle, but they don't like to work with ubuntu |
| 11:37.24 | Khertan | haha ... the proprietary lock-in policies help me to take the decision to not use anymore their products |
| 11:38.26 | sneakret | Apple. Harumph. |
| 11:39.53 | lcuk | booo mgedmin i finally had my tooth sorted yesterday and ive been in mega pain since |
| 11:40.09 | lcuk | wouldnt mind an apple laptop |
| 11:40.15 | Veggen | Apple and MS are equally evil when it comes to lock-in. But Apple doesn't even try to hide it. But Apples stuff often plain works, that's the reason they are popular... |
| 11:40.20 | lcuk | but i have no use for an ipod yet |
| 11:40.20 | mgedmin | apple is more insidious |
| 11:40.25 | mgedmin | they actually make stuff that I want |
| 11:40.28 | mgedmin | crave, evenb |
| 11:40.30 | sneakret | Haha. |
| 11:40.32 | lcuk | lol |
| 11:40.38 | mgedmin | b**tards |
| 11:40.48 | lcuk | crashanddie, i wanna talk to you later if you are around |
| 11:40.53 | sneakret | What. You don't want a Zune?!? ;) |
| 11:41.11 | lcuk | a polished turd is still shit |
| 11:41.45 | jott | lurks |
| 11:41.50 | sneakret | lurks harder. |
| 11:41.59 | lcuk | oi, stop lurking! |
| 11:42.38 | mgedmin | throws a paper airplane at the lurkers |
| 11:42.40 | lcuk | reprograms jott's cat to become a ferocious attack kitty and sends it to menace you while you lurk |
| 11:42.46 | jott | OUCH! |
| 11:43.18 | jott | heh the cat sits on my chest and sleeps :) |
| 11:43.22 | sneakret | Speaking of ubuntu, I've heard good things about mint. Is it hype? |
| 11:43.31 | jott | ah now he is awake lcuk. you woke him :/ |
| 11:43.38 | lcuk | well soon it will extend its claws and not release until it removes a rib |
| 11:43.49 | lcuk | damn, the code was meant to mask that |
| 11:43.54 | mgedmin | what's mint? |
| 11:44.06 | jott | yaf - yet another fork :p |
| 11:44.58 | sneakret | :) |
| 11:45.24 | pusling | I was about to forget my n810 today, so I thought ...is there any "phone home" software that basically every 5 minutes checks for gps and wifi and if available then posts that info somewhere ? |
| 11:45.43 | jott | and no i have not tried it and i can't tell if it's any good :) |
| 11:45.56 | sneakret | Fine. I'll try it now. |
| 11:46.06 | lcuk | pusling, there was a security threda on itT fairly recently talking about this kindof stuff |
| 11:46.07 | melmoth | pusling: i think there is such a script mentionned on internet tanlet talk |
| 11:46.49 | sneakret | When I got my N810, that was one of the first applications of the GPS that I thought of. |
| 11:46.58 | sneakret | but I never followed through. I guess I oughta. |
| 11:47.16 | lardman | pusling: there was a thread on itt iirc about phoning home after being stolen |
| 11:47.25 | jott | yeah, like if the n810 would get a gps fix in critical situations :) |
| 11:47.30 | lardman | lol |
| 11:47.33 | sneakret | :( |
| 11:48.01 | mgedmin | "dear thief, please go into a large area and stand very still for 5 minutes" |
| 11:48.02 | pusling | jott: it usually gets fix when I don't really need it, but not when I do. |
| 11:48.09 | mgedmin | large open area |
| 11:48.18 | jott | pusling: exactly my point :) |
| 11:48.24 | sneakret | I have a phone that supposedly has really great GPS, but it's through Verizon and their firmware blocks GPS access unless you buy some stupid navigator service. |
| 11:48.31 | sneakret | $7/month or something |
| 11:48.32 | sneakret | grr |
| 11:48.40 | sneakret | android yesterday please |
| 11:48.57 | mgedmin | ha |
| 11:49.09 | mgedmin | the first android phone was announced 3 days ago |
| 11:49.14 | mgedmin | it is sim-locked and has no tethering |
| 11:49.29 | mgedmin | bloody phone operators |
| 11:49.31 | jott | any gps phone-home application has to cache the data anyway as it's even more unlikely that there is a active wifi connection the same time you got a gps fix. |
| 11:49.44 | sneakret | Yeah. Hooray for freedom. :/ |
| 11:50.38 | sneakret | jott: That's a valid point, but at some point you'd think whoever found/stole it would get it on wifi (hopefully prior to wiping it) |
| 11:51.12 | jott | sneakret: yeah that's why you have to cache/store the track and then submit it :) |
| 11:51.39 | sneakret | Uh... yeah. Maybe I should read the WHOLE sentence. |
| 11:51.47 | mgedmin | my phone operator is selling the iphone 3g starting today |
| 11:51.51 | mgedmin | must resist evil apple lockin |
| 11:51.56 | jott | best have some security penetration software running that exploits the local network and tries to get personal data :P |
| 11:52.06 | sneakret | Haha. |
| 11:52.08 | AStorm | wrrr |
| 11:52.13 | mgedmin | will nokia ever make an android phone? |
| 11:52.14 | AStorm | no maemopad+ for Diablo |
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| 11:52.27 | AStorm | I will *kill* the person that suggested flashing it. |
| 11:52.30 | sneakret | Andrade? |
| 11:52.34 | jaska | i hope they toss symbian soon |
| 11:52.39 | AStorm | or at least do something horrible to the one |
| 11:52.49 | jott | mgedmin: quite unlikely for now... |
| 11:52.49 | AStorm | let me check the logs... |
| 11:52.54 | Andrade | hi |
| 11:53.07 | sneakret | Is that your last name? |
| 11:53.12 | Andrade | im' new here... |
| 11:53.24 | Andrade | Felipe Andrade is my real name :) |
| 11:53.55 | sneakret | Cool. I know an Andrade. :) |
| 11:54.04 | sneakret | Not Felipe though. |
| 11:54.04 | Andrade | from Brazil? |
| 11:54.14 | Andrade | cool |
| 11:54.16 | sneakret | He's in Texas, US. |
| 11:54.27 | sneakret | but maybe his ancestors are from Brazil. |
| 11:54.37 | Andrade | I'm in Recife, BR |
| 11:54.53 | sneakret | My brother spent a couple years in Brazil. |
| 11:55.09 | sneakret | Oops. I lied. Portugal. I have a friend who spent a couple years in Brazil though. :) |
| 11:55.15 | sneakret | Same language at least! ;) |
| 11:55.20 | Andrade | sure |
| 11:55.58 | sneakret | My favorite restaurant is brazillian though! |
| 11:56.16 | sneakret | Glad I could be so helpful. |
| 11:56.32 | Andrade | :) |
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| 11:56.49 | sneakret | Oh, and I work with a guy from Brazil! |
| 11:57.03 | sneakret | I'm just full of useful information! |
| 11:57.32 | Andrade | where do you work? |
| 11:57.35 | Andrade | Nokia? |
| 11:57.38 | sneakret | I can't say. I'd be murdered. |
| 11:57.58 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:58.03 | sneakret | (Microsoft) |
| 11:58.07 | Andrade | hahahaha |
| 11:58.10 | AStorm | ok, hrw, you're getting the stick |
| 11:58.10 | sneakret | (Shh!) |
| 11:58.26 | AStorm | because it was probably either you or GeneralAntilles |
| 11:58.27 | AStorm | ;P |
| 11:58.55 | AStorm | ok, who has another maemopad+-like application? |
| 11:59.22 | sneakret | Xournal? |
| 12:00.09 | sneakret | 5 minutes left on my mint download... |
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| 12:01.15 | hrw | AStorm: ? |
| 12:01.20 | Khertan | don't like syncml protocol ! |
| 12:01.56 | hrw | sneakret: Portugese and Portugese-Brazil are not quite same language |
| 12:02.21 | sneakret | Are they more different than US and UK English? |
| 12:02.47 | Andrade | yes |
| 12:03.11 | sneakret | I didn't realize that. Cool. |
| 12:04.53 | AStorm | well, that app has to be local |
| 12:05.08 | RST38h | MacBook Pro Automatically Self-Destructs in Time for Next Version |
| 12:05.22 | sneakret | Haha. |
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| 15:31.01 | Italodance | hi again dear friends |
| 15:31.12 | Italodance | plz tell me who has iphone 3g? |
| 15:31.25 | Jaredu | not me, but what's the question |
| 15:31.34 | Jaredu | my uncle has one and my aunt has the normal |
| 15:32.07 | Italodance | Jaredu tell me can it read ebooks like pdf files>? |
| 15:32.16 | Italodance | i want to buy one |
| 15:32.25 | Jaredu | i dont believe it can do pdf's/ |
| 15:32.25 | Italodance | and hope be the same IT :( |
| 15:32.34 | Italodance | :( |
| 15:32.37 | Italodance | sure? |
| 15:32.44 | Jaredu | sec |
| 15:32.47 | Jaredu | ill double check |
| 15:32.49 | Jaredu | but im pretty sure |
| 15:33.09 | Jaredu | while you're waiting, www.t-mobileg1.com ;) |
| 15:34.18 | Italodance | tnx |
| 15:34.27 | Italodance | i'll see you |
| 15:34.32 | Jaredu | http://www.talkiphone.com/forums/iphone-articles/223-101-most-commonly-asked-iphone-questions.html#faq59 |
| 15:34.42 | Jaredu | aww |
| 15:34.54 | Jaredu | :'( |
| 15:35.14 | Jaredu | i paused my torrent to get that link grrr >.< |
| 15:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, just pull whatever you need from Chinook Extras. . . . |
| 15:35.27 | Jaffa | Jaredu: not entirely useful FAQ - given it doesn't mention 3G |
| 15:35.48 | Jaredu | 3g is the same phone w/ 3g support and front facing camera pretty much |
| 15:36.11 | Jaffa | ...and a new software version. |
| 15:36.20 | Jaredu | yeah |
| 15:36.36 | Jaredu | firmware can be updated lol |
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| 15:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to beat Quim up for using camel case. |
| 15:48.09 | Jaffa | where/ |
| 15:48.10 | Jaffa | ? |
| 15:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | On the Wiki |
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| 15:59.08 | nomis | Bwaaaahaaahaa! Mark complains about the "your concerns and use cases are irrelevant" attitude!! :) |
| 15:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | Oh the irony! |
| 16:07.17 | RST38h | back |
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| 16:17.07 | lcuk | generalAntilles, whatIsWrongWithCamelCase? itWorksWhenYouHaven'tGotASpaceBar |
| 16:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if you haven't got a spacebar then you shouldn't be editing the wiki. |
| 16:17.39 | Jaredu | heh |
| 16:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | There's nothing wrong with camel case if it's what you're using. |
| 16:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | But we're not using camel case on the wiki. |
| 16:17.51 | lcuk | thatsj ust bein spacist :P not all keyboards were brought up the same |
| 16:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | Using it breaks consistency. |
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| 16:18.22 | lcuk | nokia could afterall have decided not to include a spacebar (hell, its one step away from tab:P) and then where would you be? huh! huh! :D |
| 16:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | With a lot of dumbass N810 users not editing a wiki. |
| 16:18.58 | lcuk | or your blood pressure boiling when they do :D |
| 16:19.24 | lcuk | yes, thats how we will describe the bug report to nokia "please insert extra keys so GeneralAntilles doesn't explode" |
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| 16:20.47 | lcuk | on a slightly lighter note: tracy decided to smash the car up today |
| 16:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome |
| 16:20.58 | lcuk | she rung me and told me she had picked up all the pieces :S |
| 16:20.59 | GeneralAntilles | She ok? |
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| 16:21.11 | lcuk | perfectly, it was her vs a trolley park |
| 16:21.18 | lcuk | and she lost |
| 16:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly |
| 16:21.55 | lcuk | i could barely listen to her for laughin :D it was awesome, i really hope the store got cctv footage :D |
| 16:22.24 | johnx | will it be covered by insurance? |
| 16:22.39 | Jaffa | lcuk: Data Protection Act means they *have* to turn it over, too ;-) |
| 16:22.39 | johnx | hears some people actually have more than minimum coverage on their vehicles |
| 16:23.35 | lcuk | i obviously dont care - cars need bumps and dents and you cannot worry about it - but it was her descriptions of how everytime she moved the scrapin nooise got worse |
| 16:23.43 | lcuk | :D excellent jaffa |
| 16:23.59 | lcuk | johnx, nahhh not worth it, its just a bit of a panel bashin needed |
| 16:24.10 | lcuk | im not givin up my mega no claims for this |
| 16:24.11 | johnx | ah, that doesn't even count then |
| 16:24.33 | johnx | reminisces about the car before his present one |
| 16:24.51 | lcuk | heh,. right off again, bblater |
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| 16:25.06 | Jaredu | i am totally loving the creator of vgba right now :D |
| 16:25.11 | Jaredu | the optimizations are excellenntttt |
| 16:30.51 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: the others seem to have been Sprint'n', though. Why isn't the next one Sprint6/ |
| 16:30.51 | Jaffa | ? |
| 16:31.01 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
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| 16:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | 'cause the 100 days are over |
| 16:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | but I'm not sure why we can't continue on with that naming scheme. |
| 16:31.28 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe poke Quim on -community. |
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| 16:35.38 | jott | Jaredu: he is in the channel, thank RST38h directly :) |
| 16:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, is there a readme on the .items somewhere? |
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| 16:38.45 | johnx | lcuk, if you're curious, I'm quite familiar with the concept of "cars that have character" http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/793c0a17.jpg |
| 16:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 16:41.58 | moontiger | johnx: thaqt looks like seattle |
| 16:42.16 | Jaredu | RST38h, you are amazing. |
| 16:42.31 | johnx | moontiger, why do you say that? |
| 16:43.05 | Jaredu | i do wonder if there's a way to change the button layout |
| 16:43.09 | johnx | moontiger, though you're correct :) |
| 16:43.31 | moontiger | hehe i spend a lot of time in redmond and thsat looks very familiar |
| 16:45.11 | Jaredu | lol, i cans play pokemon on nit while waiting for torrents xD |
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| 16:45.23 | Jaredu | games look awesome fullscreen now... |
| 16:45.33 | johnx | downloads new vgba |
| 16:45.37 | Jaredu | :D |
| 16:45.41 | Jaredu | its playable now :P |
| 16:45.55 | Jaredu | goes down to 8fps sometimes and the sound is somewhat choppy |
| 16:46.01 | Jaredu | but the good old gba feel is there |
| 16:47.39 | johnx | now if only the d-pad on my n800 hadn't degenerated into a mushy, unusable mess |
| 16:47.48 | Jaredu | ah |
| 16:47.58 | Jaredu | im hoping theres a way to hack the button layout :P |
| 16:48.20 | Jaredu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:49.18 | Jaredu | qwe asd zxc = directionals fn = L ^ = R l = a + =b |
| 16:49.19 | Jaredu | :P |
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| 16:49.23 | Jaredu | that'd be great |
| 16:49.24 | Jaredu | heh |
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| 16:54.30 | GeneralAntilles | switches back to fanoush initfs. |
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| 16:59.46 | Jaffa | tries to work out what he's done apart from "help people" this week |
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| 17:31.57 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to push svn to Diablo Extras? |
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| 17:37.17 | GNUton | Hi there |
| 17:38.28 | Andy80 | GNUton: Hi :) |
| 17:39.06 | GNUton | Hey Andy80! :) |
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| 17:39.26 | Andy80 | GNUton: you remember me? :) (andrea grandi) ;) |
| 17:39.31 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I'd like a git package too :) |
| 17:39.41 | GNUton | Andy80: of course! :) How are you Andrea |
| 17:39.42 | Andy80 | GNUton: I'm so happy for the PyQt4 release :D |
| 17:39.42 | GNUton | ? |
| 17:39.51 | GNUton | Andy80: me too! :D |
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| 17:39.58 | Andy80 | I'm fine, and you? How is the life in the north :P ?? |
| 17:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, I'm playing around with on-device building without much success here. |
| 17:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | The busybox grep sucks too much to compile subversion, apparently. |
| 17:40.30 | AStorm | it does |
| 17:40.36 | AStorm | you need coreutils and others |
| 17:40.46 | AStorm | I had to hack things a bit to install all the real tools |
| 17:40.53 | AStorm | not much loss of disk space |
| 17:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid busybox |
| 17:41.09 | AStorm | busybox is not meant for a full system like the one on Maemo |
| 17:41.18 | GNUton | Andy80: it's quite good.. in these days it's sunny... |
| 17:41.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Fremantle will make it easier to replace |
| 17:41.33 | AStorm | coreutils built with uclibc are small enough |
| 17:41.44 | Andy80 | GNUton: good :) |
| 17:41.48 | AStorm | but then, the device *is slow* |
| 17:41.59 | AStorm | building perl took quite long, some 20 minutes |
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| 17:42.27 | AStorm | or not exactly perl, but some package from perl I required |
| 17:42.45 | AStorm | tons of stuff from CPAN |
| 17:42.50 | AStorm | it's all slow (due to tests) |
| 17:43.46 | AStorm | should use a cross compiler instead somewhere else |
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| 17:43.58 | Andy80 | GNUton: have you published/linked your slides in the wiki? :) |
| 17:44.03 | AStorm | but unfortunately Debian doesn't like cross |
| 17:44.13 | AStorm | there's no way to build a package w/o a full system |
| 17:44.19 | AStorm | :> |
| 17:44.30 | GNUton | Andy80: not yet.. |
| 17:44.45 | AStorm | so, it boils down to T2 SDE and Gentoo |
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| 17:46.15 | Andy80 | GNUton: in wich city are you? is it funny or just cold and boring? |
| 17:48.08 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: if I could somehow rig distcc to only build on a remote machine, now that would be better, but not good enough still |
| 17:50.39 | johnx | linking would still have to happen on the device, and so would autotools |
| 17:50.39 | GNUton | Andy80: I'm in Helsinki.. it guess it's quite funny if you have a beautiful girl and a couple of friends.. if you spend all your time behind a pc.. It's not very fun.. |
| 17:50.39 | ion_cu_vaca | so, I made a test app in eclipse using maemo sdk wmware. compiles and runs fine in soapbox. what do I change now to compile for the tablet? |
| 17:51.49 | johnx | ion_cu_vaca, compile for the armel target in scratchbox |
| 17:52.57 | ion_cu_vaca | I know that I have to do that, I don't know how to do it |
| 17:53.22 | GNUton | ion_cu_vaca: ok, It's a good starting point :P |
| 17:55.21 | Andy80 | GNUton: well... then I hope you have a beautiful girl and a couple of friends :) (if you don't have one, there should be enough girls there!! :D) |
| 17:56.36 | GNUton | Andy80: I've got a wonderful girl, but unfortunately she's in Italy.. :( |
| 17:56.57 | Andy80 | GNUton: doh! :( |
| 17:57.02 | Jaredu | heh |
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| 18:08.42 | lardman | jott: you still about? |
| 18:08.53 | lardman | jott: I did svn update and still the same error! |
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| 18:14.06 | jott | lardman: hmmm strange. let me do a clean checkout. |
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| 18:21.13 | RST38h | Maybe if you tell me the exact problem I will locate you the missing function that you can paste in? |
| 18:22.17 | jott | lardman: still compiles fine. http://slexy.org/raw/s21DCIwnGw <- these are the only changes i made to svn |
| 18:22.35 | jott | (r1419 obviously) |
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| 18:23.11 | jott | and then ./autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-hildon && make |
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| 18:23.50 | RST38h | Maybe you have different Maemo SDKs? |
| 18:23.53 | jott | maybe you miss some strange dependency that i have installed and the configure script isn't looking for? |
| 18:23.54 | RST38h | BTW http://exiledonline.com/daily-inquisition-bugs-bunny-as-role-model/#more-1212 |
| 18:25.00 | lardman | hmm |
| 18:25.00 | ion_cu_vaca | woo hoo! works! compiled for armel, transfered with scp and works from first try! |
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| 18:25.10 | lardman | I wonder if I'm checking out from the right place then? |
| 18:26.14 | jott | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.35 | lardman | yeah, I thought that's what I used |
| 18:26.39 | lardman | I'll go again |
| 18:26.42 | Navi | Damn you all and your navi highlighting ways |
| 18:27.17 | GeneralAntilles | Navi |
| 18:27.23 | johnx | ion_cu_vaca, great. glad it worked. did you have to change something in eclipse? |
| 18:27.24 | jott | Navi: check for navi[\s:,] ;) |
| 18:27.33 | lardman | :D |
| 18:27.54 | Navi | You got my hopes up |
| 18:28.07 | Navi | I thought someone actually wanted to talk to me ._. |
| 18:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, sorry. |
| 18:28.25 | Navi | QQ |
| 18:28.50 | jott | Navi: just compile navit it will make you feel better :P |
| 18:29.00 | Navi | Doubt it |
| 18:29.17 | jott | you haven't even tried :P |
| 18:29.18 | lardman | :) so true |
| 18:29.19 | Navi | Unless they've modeled Navit after Navi |
| 18:29.37 | Navi | Hey! Turn left in five seconds! |
| 18:29.54 | Navi | Listen! A stop sign is five meters away! |
| 18:30.00 | johnx | if you miss a turn a flashing little faerie flies all over the screen obscuring your map |
| 18:30.04 | Navi | Look! Turn left... NOW! |
| 18:30.18 | jott | Navi: sure, your nit glows in the dark and i bet you can make it even use flite to make it talk to you ;) |
| 18:30.27 | Navi | :( |
| 18:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:30.44 | Navi | It's not the same |
| 18:30.45 | lardman | hmm, looks like I pulled from somewhere else, certainly didn't have a trunk |
| 18:30.50 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should put together a Navi voice for flite. |
| 18:31.01 | jott | lardman: ah does it work now? |
| 18:31.24 | lardman | not sure yet, waiting for it to pull "trunk/navit/navit/script/osm2navit_sea/data" |
| 18:31.30 | ion_cu_vaca | johnx, yes. menu Project->Propreties->ESBox build target->DIABLO_ARMEL |
| 18:31.57 | johnx | ion_cu_vaca, cool. now I'll be able to answer the next person using eclipse :) |
| 18:37.07 | lardman | twiddles his thumbs waiting for svn |
| 18:37.17 | lardman | and decides to go and have a drink |
| 18:41.24 | RST38h | read it as "go and have a trunk" |
| 18:41.48 | moontiger | laughs |
| 18:41.49 | RST38h | svn to blame. |
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| 18:44.14 | Jaffa | gets outbid on an old 770 with Navicore on eBay. May have to look at some reverse engineering fun on the Wayfinder format |
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| 18:44.58 | RST38h | it's encrypted afaik |
| 18:45.03 | RST38h | so happy hacking |
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| 18:45.12 | Jaffa | Hopefully, the market conditions next summer'll mean navigaation has to be bundled; given phones are including built-in mavigation. |
| 18:45.15 | Jaffa | Bah. |
| 18:46.00 | johnx | don't nokia's own phones already include navigation? |
| 18:46.15 | RST38h | yes, but you have to pay |
| 18:46.25 | keesj | hopes that this includes software from a known navigation thingy company |
| 18:46.32 | RST38h | and you pay for the "service" i.e. on constant basis |
| 18:47.12 | RST38h | bets on Google improving Mobile Gmaps to have decent navigation and pushing all these greedy motherfuckers out of the market |
| 18:47.17 | johnx | keesj, I think Nokia owns the makers of wayfinder now. I doubt they'll go with someone else |
| 18:48.17 | GeneralAntilles | How's OSM navigation? |
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| 18:48.34 | GeneralAntilles | Think they'll ever get to the point where offline turn-by-turn would be workable? |
| 18:48.37 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it depends on if anyone has made maps of your area I suppose |
| 18:50.06 | RST38h | OSM is useless pretty much anywhere but US |
| 18:50.20 | keesj | what is OSM? |
| 18:50.22 | GeneralAntilles | Fine by me. :P |
| 18:50.26 | RST38h | Where it uses TIGER data afaik |
| 18:50.29 | johnx | openstreetmap |
| 18:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Street_Map |
| 18:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | ~osm is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Street_Map |
| 18:50.38 | infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles |
| 18:50.42 | keesj | oke... |
| 18:50.50 | RST38h | General: TIGER isn't very precise to begin with - it has not been collected for navigation |
| 18:52.01 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=5139 |
| 18:52.02 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 18:52.44 | jott | osm data for berlin is really good. |
| 18:52.58 | jott | GeneralAntilles: navit supports turn-by-turn with osm data :) |
| 18:53.06 | jott | (not sure how good though) |
| 18:53.39 | RST38h | Kot: I am currently suspecting Ubuntu of killing my HD |
| 18:53.55 | KotCzarny | killbuntu |
| 18:53.55 | RST38h | The way it starts and stops it every few seconds can't be good |
| 18:54.00 | johnx | yeah, osm is pretty bare around here...which means 100 times better than the coverage of wayfinder |
| 18:54.14 | RST38h | ah, screw the wayfinder... |
| 18:54.19 | KotCzarny | rst38h: that's i think is the problem of any distro |
| 18:54.21 | KotCzarny | even windows |
| 18:54.31 | RST38h | Windows does not appear to do it too often |
| 18:54.32 | KotCzarny | stupid parkeverysecond idea |
| 18:54.44 | RST38h | I set it to ~5 minutes and this is how it does it |
| 18:54.45 | jott | RST38h: there was a bug in an older ubuntu version... afair. |
| 18:54.46 | KotCzarny | because windows accesses disk all the time |
| 18:55.07 | KotCzarny | i think you can try using ftool if it's a hitachi |
| 18:55.07 | RST38h | jott: Any references or fixes? I keep mine up to date though... |
| 18:55.16 | KotCzarny | or firmware flash |
| 18:55.16 | RST38h | Toshiba |
| 18:55.22 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 18:55.27 | jott | RST38h: i think this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHahler/Bug59695 |
| 18:55.31 | RST38h | aha |
| 18:55.33 | KotCzarny | then you have hdparm -S |
| 18:55.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:55.44 | RST38h | Tried that, looks ok so far |
| 18:56.36 | KotCzarny | and power management too |
| 18:56.44 | KotCzarny | -B |
| 18:59.15 | RST38h | read the page. Evil stuff |
| 18:59.23 | jott | indeed. |
| 18:59.23 | KotCzarny | http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/09/26/o.improve.your.marriage/index.html |
| 18:59.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 19:00.22 | lardman | Jaffa: will join you with the rev eng effort |
| 19:01.06 | lardman | then again with 3G connection, may as well just use Google routing for free on the next device! |
| 19:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | You can already do that. :P |
| 19:02.48 | lardman | yeah, expensive as it is though |
| 19:02.57 | jott | does it really work? like when you drive the wrong way it instantly corrects the directions? |
| 19:03.47 | RST38h | if you mean maemo-mapper, it does not work very well on directions |
| 19:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | No, it's not as fast as a real navigator. |
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| 19:05.46 | lardman | RST38h: that's the google backend though |
| 19:06.16 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: really, most of the ones I've seen need a few seconds at least to think about it |
| 19:06.53 | lardman | jott: aargh, same error |
| 19:07.06 | lardman | jott: In function `navit_window_items_open':navit.c:(.text+0x36c0): undefined reference to `map_get_filename' |
| 19:08.53 | jott | lardman: hmmm well only thing i see now is that you miss some dependencies.. :/ |
| 19:09.23 | lardman | hmm, that's in map.c though, in the main program |
| 19:09.41 | jott | http://slexy.org/raw/s20GbczSeP <- fwiw |
| 19:09.44 | lardman | or rather it's in map.h, not in map.c |
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| 19:10.54 | jott | still strange that you get a linker error.. |
| 19:11.18 | lardman | do you have the fn in question declared in map.h and implemented in map.c? |
| 19:11.44 | jott | mmh no :O |
| 19:11.54 | lardman | hmm |
| 19:12.14 | lardman | I checked out from the url you have above - was different to my first checkout |
| 19:12.31 | lardman | so you have nothing in map.h? |
| 19:12.38 | lardman | nothing related anyway |
| 19:12.56 | jott | just the char *map_get_filename(struct map *this_); in map.h |
| 19:13.26 | lardman | hmm, I wonder how you got it to link then? |
| 19:13.36 | jott | heh. it just did. |
| 19:14.14 | jott | maybe you could just comment out the line in navit/navit.c ... it seems to be just a dbg message anyway |
| 19:14.25 | lardman | yeah, still weird though |
| 19:15.08 | nemo | so. did you guys catch that Fennec installs nicely on a Nokia N8x0 now? |
| 19:15.23 | lardman | oh right, and does it run nicely? |
| 19:15.28 | jott | lardman: indeed. esp. that it compiles and runs here... |
| 19:15.36 | jott | yeah looks quite ok to me. |
| 19:15.43 | lardman | jott: if I comment that line it compiles ok |
| 19:16.01 | jott | hm still mysterious.. |
| 19:16.14 | GeneralAntilles | nemo, that's been the case for a while. |
| 19:16.27 | nemo | GeneralAntilles: reallly. |
| 19:16.36 | jott | maybe dbg is a macro? |
| 19:16.41 | nemo | GeneralAntilles: hrm. so I guess apart from this Milestone 8, nothing else is new |
| 19:16.49 | lardman | jott: yeah, I was wondering that |
| 19:16.51 | nemo | GeneralAntilles: I thought it was still in crashy alpha territory before. |
| 19:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | nemo, the N8x0 is the original Fennec demo device. |
| 19:17.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, running doesn't have a lot to do with installing. :P |
| 19:17.09 | lardman | jott: anyway, will try it a bit later on |
| 19:17.17 | nemo | GeneralAntilles: oh. oops. "runs nicely" :-p |
| 19:17.41 | johnx | runs nicely? /me jumps to try it |
| 19:17.43 | nemo | http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/09/fennec-m8/ - I was just reading this thingy is all |
| 19:17.57 | nemo | oh. no plugins though :( |
| 19:18.10 | johnx | plugins will come later I'm sure |
| 19:18.16 | johnx | it's what makes firefox, firefox :) |
| 19:18.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:18.30 | KotCzarny | yeah |
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| 19:18.36 | jott | lardman: yeah as long as it compiles now you can finally go and mess with it :) |
| 19:18.52 | GeneralAntilles | xul is really heavy. |
| 19:18.55 | KotCzarny | although i'll be happy with properly rendering every page |
| 19:18.57 | KotCzarny | and fast |
| 19:18.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:20.22 | nemo | johnx: um. not addons. plugins |
| 19:20.27 | nemo | johnx: flash vs, say, firebug. |
| 19:20.40 | johnx | ah, then I care even less. woo! |
| 19:20.55 | johnx | saves me disabling flash on my own |
| 19:21.00 | nemo | johnx: flash is number one source of firefox crashes :) |
| 19:21.31 | johnx | and general slowness and focus stealing and johnx annoyance |
| 19:21.43 | GeneralAntilles | Top |
| 19:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | top |
| 19:21.48 | jott | flash is number of source of all linux based browser crashes :) |
| 19:21.50 | GeneralAntilles | ^ MicroB |
| 19:21.55 | jott | one |
| 19:21.57 | nemo | jott: blows up windows a lot too |
| 19:22.19 | johnx | mac os x users have no love for it either |
| 19:22.21 | jott | actually i really hope html5 will make flash disappear forever :) |
| 19:22.29 | johnx | ahaha |
| 19:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it doesn't crash my browser. |
| 19:22.45 | johnx | it survived the dotcom crash...I don't think it will ever go away |
| 19:22.52 | GeneralAntilles | Just brings it to a screeching halt for about 30 seconds with certain applets. |
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| 19:23.11 | jott | google has the power of youtube. and 95% of the end-users use flash just because of youtube :) |
| 19:23.36 | jott | so if google offers html5 video rendering... :) |
| 19:23.38 | KotCzarny | youtube can be used with js + mplayer |
| 19:23.43 | jott | KotCzarny: bleh. |
| 19:23.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:23.56 | jott | KotCzarny: it can be used with wget too |
| 19:23.59 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 19:24.02 | jott | and telnet |
| 19:24.05 | jott | and what ever |
| 19:24.10 | KotCzarny | + mplayer |
| 19:24.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:24.16 | jott | still this is well below 0.0001% of users :) |
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| 19:24.46 | KotCzarny | that's only because they have it easy |
| 19:24.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:25.03 | KotCzarny | the majority |
| 19:25.08 | johnx | "Why back in my day..." *shakes cane* |
| 19:25.22 | KotCzarny | sugar cane daddy? |
| 19:25.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:25.29 | jott | yeah, that's why html5 at least brings chances to destroy flash hegemony. |
| 19:25.51 | GeneralAntilles | :) |
| 19:25.56 | KotCzarny | if someone invents on-the-fly swf2html5 converter.. |
| 19:26.09 | KotCzarny | then it could work |
| 19:26.16 | jott | GeneralAntilles: try to get some KotCzarny style extra lines? ;> |
| 19:26.36 | KotCzarny | jott, don't use smileys, or you will be next ;) |
| 19:26.55 | jott | KotCzarny: i use many smileys but not on a separate line ;) |
| 19:27.08 | KotCzarny | jott: like it does matter :) |
| 19:27.15 | KotCzarny | smiley is a smiley |
| 19:27.29 | jott | KotCzarny: http://outpo.st/irc/ :P |
| 19:27.32 | lardman | so we reckon Fennec works? |
| 19:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, it's still slow. |
| 19:27.46 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 19:27.50 | KotCzarny | seriosusly? |
| 19:27.53 | KotCzarny | i'm first? |
| 19:27.55 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 19:28.02 | lardman | yeah, was in the other room sorry, multitasking! |
| 19:28.04 | jott | still, not even counted your "comeback" :) |
| 19:28.07 | KotCzarny | and i wasn't even active in the last few months |
| 19:28.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:28.29 | qwerty12_N800 | jott: rig the fucking stats so that I get cursing award please :p |
| 19:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | Spam |
| 19:28.42 | jott | yeah but lcuk beats the shit out of your word count ;) |
| 19:28.57 | KotCzarny | jott: btw. pisg allows sorting by wordcount too |
| 19:28.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:28.59 | johnx | lulz...my bt headphones crashed |
| 19:29.08 | jott | KotCzarny: yeah. |
| 19:29.28 | jott | maybe add support to sort by smiley count :P |
| 19:29.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:29.53 | KotCzarny | i think it's there already |
| 19:30.02 | KotCzarny | 'is happy/unhappy' |
| 19:30.05 | jott | maybe smileys are counted at least |
| 19:30.08 | GeneralAntilles | Smiley-only lines count negative. |
| 19:30.14 | jott | hah |
| 19:30.20 | KotCzarny | chelli brings happiness to the world. 49.2% lines contained smiling faces. :) |
| 19:30.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:31.26 | KotCzarny | anyway, it doesn't matter |
| 19:31.37 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody likes spammers anyway. |
| 19:31.46 | jott | qwerty12_N800: have to poke mgedmin again. |
| 19:32.07 | jott | GeneralAntilles: says the #2 ;) |
| 19:32.13 | qwerty12_N800 | k |
| 19:32.14 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:32.15 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 19:32.49 | KotCzarny | ga will be very bad husband |
| 19:32.55 | KotCzarny | according to the article i posted |
| 19:33.07 | KotCzarny | with all his stuckness to being stiff |
| 19:33.20 | KotCzarny | and hatred to nonverbal communication |
| 19:33.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:33.25 | qwerty12_N800 | misread stiff part. sorry. |
| 19:33.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:34.15 | johnx | I like the idea of non-verbal communications over IRC |
| 19:34.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:34.24 | johnx | we can just sit here and make faces at our computers |
| 19:34.42 | johnx | or...no verbs? just nouns and adjectives? |
| 19:34.49 | KotCzarny | urls |
| 19:35.08 | Fatal | although, the effect of a good *headdesk* is lost over irc :/ |
| 19:35.49 | KotCzarny | *headkb* could get through |
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| 19:37.55 | johnx | oh man, I like the look of fennec on epaper :) |
| 19:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not into the non-native UI. |
| 19:39.02 | jott | johnx: scrolling is probably not so funny.. |
| 19:39.07 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 19:39.13 | GeneralAntilles | The end result seems to be bloat (xul) and poor integration. |
| 19:39.32 | KotCzarny | isn't epaper limited to some cycle count? |
| 19:39.33 | jott | just tried to start it. |
| 19:39.36 | jott | still at 100% cpu |
| 19:39.48 | johnx | jott, I assume they have some kind of intelligent trick to deal with scrolling on epaper |
| 19:39.53 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, tried it yet? |
| 19:40.48 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, try it first. then you have much more authority to bash it later. |
| 19:41.00 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:41.39 | jott | it's slow. this i can tell for running it a few seconds :) |
| 19:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, tried the last version. |
| 19:41.49 | jott | but the interface seems nice. |
| 19:42.08 | jott | (of course not integrated) |
| 19:42.40 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, well apparently they improved lots of things. Anyways, I'll give you the analysis vs midori .21 in a sec |
| 19:42.57 | jott | and it's buggy :D |
| 19:43.13 | jott | the url bar floats like 50 pixel blow the top |
| 19:43.35 | johnx | and it's a 9.5MB download O_o |
| 19:43.42 | johnx | ok, that's skeery |
| 19:43.53 | GeneralAntilles | xul |
| 19:44.11 | johnx | probably debug symbols too |
| 19:44.16 | jott | yeah they should just dump xul :) |
| 19:44.34 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it wouldn't work then. |
| 19:44.37 | jott | it was a bad idea in the first place ;) |
| 19:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | The interface is xul. |
| 19:44.41 | johnx | yeah, considering how they're moving towards desktop integration everywhere |
| 19:44.52 | jott | yeah, that's why it's so sluggish :) |
| 19:44.57 | GeneralAntilles | "integration" |
| 19:45.19 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, that's their stated goal, and xul won't help them with it |
| 19:45.21 | GeneralAntilles | More like "xul still sucks at pretending it's native". :P |
| 19:45.41 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think we're agreeing :) |
| 19:45.45 | jott | bleh not even +/- keys work |
| 19:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, sorry. |
| 19:45.58 | GeneralAntilles | I just really hate Firefox's non-native widgets. |
| 19:46.30 | jott | waves fennec "goodbye" |
| 19:47.10 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, jott tried it, can I use his experience to justify my bashing? :D |
| 19:47.22 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, you can use mine in a sec |
| 19:47.29 | johnx | unless I love it |
| 19:47.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | Weee neeeed neeeew seeeerveeeers |
| 19:48.38 | johnx | a recent version of opera might be nice to have around... |
| 19:48.42 | jott | johnx: you love it for about 2 secs, as the default theme looks quite nice. when you start using it your opinion will change quite rapidly :) |
| 19:48.50 | jott | yeah a recent opera would be great. |
| 19:49.03 | GeneralAntilles | I want an updated MicroB. |
| 19:49.12 | johnx | jott, you have an n810, right? |
| 19:49.16 | jott | yes |
| 19:49.25 | johnx | you'll like it more than me I think |
| 19:49.30 | johnx | no onscreen keyboard on the n800 |
| 19:49.32 | jott | hah no keyboard? |
| 19:49.35 | johnx | and...fail |
| 19:49.39 | jott | haha |
| 19:49.58 | jott | just surf the mozilla.org startpage :D |
| 19:50.06 | KotCzarny | or start xvkbd |
| 19:50.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | dougt, can you guys just use Extras-devel? |
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| 19:50.19 | jott | na, that would be too much appreciation. |
| 19:50.29 | dougt | GeneralAntilles: for fennec? |
| 19:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 19:50.54 | jott | yeah would make sense. |
| 19:51.03 | dougt | mind commenting on a bug, if I open one? |
| 19:51.09 | GeneralAntilles | dougt, sure. |
| 19:51.15 | lardman | I get an error about not being able to find a compatible GRE |
| 19:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | I think a lot of people will want xulrunner even if they don't use Fennec, anyway. |
| 19:51.33 | johnx | gah, I really like the idea behind it...it's such a neat idea. I guess I'll wait until things get a little more polished in a later milestone |
| 19:51.34 | dougt | right. |
| 19:51.45 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Fennec isn't even actually an alpha yet is it? |
| 19:51.49 | dougt | no |
| 19:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, there you go. ;) |
| 19:52.17 | dougt | and there is a lot of stuff between alpha and release. |
| 19:52.20 | jott | yeah well it needs to get atleast 3-4 times as fast to be usable .. |
| 19:52.53 | jott | not sure how much potential is there with the current code base.. |
| 19:53.08 | dougt | jott: there was a significant problem discovered w/ sites with flash. |
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| 19:53.22 | dougt | the flash that ships w/ the device is pretty busted. |
| 19:53.24 | jott | yeah well i don't care for flash :) |
| 19:53.36 | dougt | jott: nor do i, but is found and used. |
| 19:53.39 | jott | but the ui itself, like the tabs and url bar. |
| 19:53.41 | johnx | ah, there goes the keyboard! w00! |
| 19:54.02 | jott | and bookmarks. all is very very sluggish at the moment. |
| 19:54.15 | dougt | GeneralAntilles: http://tinyurl.com/3escd3 |
| 19:54.24 | dougt | ^ bugzilla prefilled for you. |
| 19:54.34 | dougt | jott: yup. |
| 19:54.35 | GeneralAntilles | registers an account. |
| 19:54.36 | dougt | it is. |
| 19:54.51 | dougt | GeneralAntilles: please cc' me. |
| 19:56.08 | jott | how many people work on fennec? |
| 19:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | Guided is somewhat less than appropriate for this bug. |
| 19:59.30 | dougt | jott: 6 or so |
| 19:59.30 | johnx | well, it's definitely great progress from earlier milestones |
| 20:00.18 | dougt | jott: on the shoulders of the firefox giants. |
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| 20:02.54 | jott | hm what's also quite annoying is that you always get to the left/right menus when not scrolling 100% vertical. |
| 20:03.48 | jott | well let's wait for 1.0 ;) |
| 20:03.51 | AStorm | hmm |
| 20:04.01 | AStorm | could someone refresh that pidgin with newer libgadu? |
| 20:04.13 | AStorm | or at least newer pidgin |
| 20:04.25 | AStorm | this version (2.4.3) fails to download contacts :> |
| 20:04.27 | jott | why don't you do it AStorm ? |
| 20:05.07 | AStorm | because I have no scratchbox ready |
| 20:05.29 | AStorm | and there are probably no source debs for 2.5.1 to just upload to the builder |
| 20:05.36 | jott | poor excuse :d |
| 20:05.40 | KotCzarny | hi astorm |
| 20:05.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:05.45 | AStorm | KotCzarny: hello |
| 20:06.01 | AStorm | build me newer pidgin (vs diablo), please |
| 20:06.12 | AStorm | or help me find one |
| 20:06.13 | KotCzarny | no diablo on my sb/n800 |
| 20:06.26 | AStorm | anyway, the one for chinook works |
| 20:06.32 | AStorm | so you can build against that too |
| 20:06.53 | KotCzarny | btw. you are still without sbox? |
| 20:07.06 | AStorm | I have one, but not prepared for building |
| 20:07.11 | AStorm | just unpacked etc. |
| 20:07.16 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 20:07.33 | KotCzarny | but it's just a matter of running one script |
| 20:07.34 | AStorm | step-by-step guide to sbox would be very appreciated |
| 20:07.38 | AStorm | which? |
| 20:07.45 | KotCzarny | let's try.. |
| 20:07.47 | KotCzarny | ~sbox |
| 20:07.55 | KotCzarny | ~scratchbox |
| 20:07.56 | infobot | [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 20:08.00 | AStorm | wrong |
| 20:08.00 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 20:08.04 | KotCzarny | ~sdk |
| 20:08.05 | infobot | Software Development Kit |
| 20:08.08 | KotCzarny | bah. |
| 20:08.09 | AStorm | ~howto scratchbox |
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| 20:08.16 | AStorm | nah |
| 20:08.20 | qwerty12_N800 | ~open sesame |
| 20:08.21 | infobot | IMHO, you should get down with the genie. |
| 20:08.22 | jott | AStorm for installing or using it? |
| 20:08.29 | AStorm | both |
| 20:08.35 | AStorm | installing less, as I already have it |
| 20:08.37 | jott | i mean the sdk install instructions are fine. |
| 20:08.50 | jott | and the maemo 4.1 documentation is not that bad. |
| 20:09.05 | jott | or "reference manual" |
| 20:09.08 | KotCzarny | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 20:09.47 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ |
| 20:09.47 | KotCzarny | there is a script |
| 20:09.47 | jott | actually there is not much about using scratchbox for most cases. |
| 20:09.47 | KotCzarny | and in install you have a line to start installed sbox |
| 20:09.48 | AStorm | yeah, new sdk |
| 20:09.58 | RST38h | MOSH is spamming me with surveys |
| 20:10.04 | AStorm | jott: well, I need that, I haven't packed a .deb in some 10 years |
| 20:10.05 | RST38h | How low have the fallen! |
| 20:10.12 | KotCzarny | rst38h: crosspost them |
| 20:10.22 | RST38h | Urgh |
| 20:10.30 | RST38h | Kot: And they are spamming in Russian, too. |
| 20:10.38 | jott | AStorm: but that's more about debian packaging than scratchbox. |
| 20:10.57 | AStorm | well |
| 20:11.04 | AStorm | that is what scratchbox is used for |
| 20:11.05 | AStorm | :P |
| 20:11.11 | AStorm | maemo is debian ;P |
| 20:11.23 | RST38h | sighs and restarts the NXC2600 board |
| 20:11.40 | KotCzarny | no it's not |
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| 20:11.51 | KotCzarny | it uses dpkg and stuff |
| 20:11.55 | KotCzarny | but it's not a debian |
| 20:12.02 | KotCzarny | debian can't use closed stuff |
| 20:12.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:12.14 | AStorm | blah blah |
| 20:12.18 | AStorm | ok, say, debian-based |
| 20:12.22 | KotCzarny | better |
| 20:12.24 | AStorm | or debian offshoot |
| 20:12.31 | KotCzarny | debian spawn? |
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| 20:12.32 | AStorm | anyway, it looks like debian to me |
| 20:12.44 | johnx | KotCzarny, what is debian non-free? |
| 20:13.02 | KotCzarny | johnx: but it's not provided by default? |
| 20:13.10 | AStorm | who cares about defaults ;P |
| 20:13.11 | KotCzarny | only because users need them |
| 20:13.11 | RST38h | AStorm: Debian maintainers would tear you apart for saying such things |
| 20:13.13 | johnx | KotCzarny, nope. but it's provided by the debian people |
| 20:13.24 | AStorm | RST38h: I know, because they're friggin zealots |
| 20:13.30 | johnx | AStorm, and maemo isn't debian just because of the non-free stuff. It's not debian because it's not compatible in naming or packaging |
| 20:13.31 | RST38h | yep |
| 20:13.37 | AStorm | johnx: yes |
| 20:13.45 | AStorm | but it's definitely debian-based |
| 20:13.56 | johnx | definitely |
| 20:14.20 | johnx | or it was at one point. :) Now it's diverged painfully |
| 20:14.27 | AStorm | anyway, I need that pidgin quick (as in, in about 4 hours) |
| 20:14.40 | KotCzarny | you should make it |
| 20:14.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:14.48 | AStorm | yes, but.... how? :) |
| 20:14.55 | KotCzarny | first |
| 20:14.59 | KotCzarny | get to sbox |
| 20:15.22 | RST38h | Fucking shit |
| 20:15.23 | KotCzarny | then dpkg -x or something on pidgin-src.deb |
| 20:15.25 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 20:15.29 | RST38h | Unbelievable |
| 20:15.43 | KotCzarny | then fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:15.45 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 20:15.52 | RST38h | It is running!!! |
| 20:15.59 | KotCzarny | rst38h: who? |
| 20:16.07 | johnx | RST38h, why? |
| 20:16.09 | AStorm | KotCzarny: is there source deb for pidgin 2.5.1? |
| 20:16.17 | AStorm | AKA latest release? |
| 20:16.23 | johnx | AStorm, debian probably has one |
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| 20:16.45 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:16.47 | KotCzarny | 2.5.0-1 |
| 20:16.53 | KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=pidgin |
| 20:17.05 | AStorm | 2.5.0 is ok too I think |
| 20:17.17 | AStorm | assuming it has that fixed gadugadu |
| 20:17.18 | KotCzarny | but prepare for dependency hell |
| 20:17.32 | KotCzarny | dependancy? |
| 20:17.32 | AStorm | eh, I can fix those... maybe |
| 20:17.34 | RST38h | Kot: VGBA. On the NXC2600 board. 6" screen. |
| 20:17.36 | johnx | AStorm, I would backport just what you need, if I were you |
| 20:17.40 | AStorm | dependency is correct spelling |
| 20:17.42 | RST38h | johnx: Because I ported it |
| 20:17.51 | AStorm | johnx: impossible, architectural changes |
| 20:18.01 | johnx | AStorm, ick |
| 20:18.06 | johnx | AStorm, good luck O_o |
| 20:18.08 | AStorm | guess why I need 2.5 |
| 20:18.11 | RST38h | johnx: More or less recompiled it, really |
| 20:18.20 | RST38h | + added SDL glue layer |
| 20:18.21 | AStorm | someone did hildonize 2.4.3 somewhat |
| 20:18.29 | AStorm | hmmh |
| 20:18.41 | AStorm | well, a backport of that gg fixes would be great |
| 20:18.56 | johnx | RST38h, pretty cool. BTW, I'll try out your new VGBA on the train tomorrow :) |
| 20:19.10 | AStorm | but finding the actual fix will be hard |
| 20:19.59 | AStorm | I see no svn there |
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| 20:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | dougt__, @gmail.com ? |
| 20:21.17 | dougt__ | doug.turner@gmail.com |
| 20:21.24 | GeneralAntilles | OK, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457307 |
| 20:22.17 | AStorm | KotCzarny: do you have a solution for using GG from the device? |
| 20:22.24 | KotCzarny | ekg |
| 20:22.34 | KotCzarny | wanna binary? |
| 20:22.36 | AStorm | unworkable, not responsive to touchscreen |
| 20:22.48 | AStorm | we need clicky thing there |
| 20:22.51 | AStorm | :) |
| 20:22.52 | KotCzarny | 'we' ? |
| 20:22.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:23.00 | AStorm | teh users ;P |
| 20:23.07 | KotCzarny | fsck the users :P |
| 20:23.11 | AStorm | that was royal we |
| 20:23.11 | KotCzarny | let them learn :P |
| 20:23.14 | dougt__ | GeneralAntilles: ty |
| 20:23.15 | AStorm | yeah learn |
| 20:23.20 | AStorm | and abuse the keyboard |
| 20:23.33 | KotCzarny | gg is about typing messages, right? |
| 20:23.37 | KotCzarny | and reading them |
| 20:23.39 | AStorm | it's much faster to use the screen |
| 20:23.48 | AStorm | instead of abusing that small n810 keyboard |
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| 20:24.19 | RST38h | johnx: =) |
| 20:24.29 | AStorm | ekg especially sucks with many contacts |
| 20:24.37 | AStorm | :> |
| 20:24.37 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 20:24.40 | KotCzarny | scrub them |
| 20:24.44 | AStorm | yeah sure |
| 20:24.45 | KotCzarny | go quality |
| 20:24.48 | KotCzarny | over quantity |
| 20:24.49 | AStorm | I can't scrub them |
| 20:24.54 | AStorm | these are the core |
| 20:25.03 | AStorm | which are a bit over 50 |
| 20:25.03 | KotCzarny | but are they hard core? |
| 20:25.06 | AStorm | yes |
| 20:25.14 | AStorm | I could maybe drop 2 of them |
| 20:26.24 | KotCzarny | i'm a console freak |
| 20:26.41 | AStorm | console is not comfortable ein such a device |
| 20:26.41 | KotCzarny | i use pidging only because i have yet to find nice ncurses aim client |
| 20:26.46 | AStorm | *enough in |
| 20:26.53 | KotCzarny | for me it is |
| 20:26.57 | AStorm | centericq? |
| 20:27.05 | AStorm | (yes, it supports AIM) |
| 20:27.09 | KotCzarny | is it big? |
| 20:27.13 | AStorm | no |
| 20:27.23 | KotCzarny | thx, i'll check it later |
| 20:27.27 | AStorm | but touchscreen is so much better than most of those "portable" input devices |
| 20:27.44 | AStorm | and it's even sometimes better than the real keyboard |
| 20:27.55 | KotCzarny | well |
| 20:28.01 | AStorm | definitely better than mouse |
| 20:28.03 | KotCzarny | that's only if app isn't broken |
| 20:28.15 | KotCzarny | and tuned for mouse or kb |
| 20:28.27 | AStorm | how do you tune for mouse? :P |
| 20:28.31 | KotCzarny | rmb |
| 20:28.33 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 20:28.36 | AStorm | abuse right and middle click? |
| 20:28.37 | AStorm | :P |
| 20:28.40 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:29.06 | AStorm | yes, next-gen nokia device should have doublesided pen :> |
| 20:29.22 | KotCzarny | or mind reader, perhaps? |
| 20:29.29 | AStorm | mind reader is too hard just yet |
| 20:29.42 | KotCzarny | there were some successfull attepmpts |
| 20:29.53 | AStorm | but reading front and back of the stylus differently is easier |
| 20:30.06 | KotCzarny | not that much |
| 20:30.10 | AStorm | although it would actually need a multitouch |
| 20:30.17 | KotCzarny | it's not magnetic |
| 20:30.18 | AStorm | hmmmh |
| 20:30.24 | KotCzarny | so it can't distinguish |
| 20:30.28 | KotCzarny | like it can in wacoms |
| 20:30.29 | AStorm | no need for magnetic, shape is different |
| 20:30.34 | AStorm | even resistance is |
| 20:30.57 | johnx | ah, it distinguishes finger from stylus so well already... </sarcasm> |
| 20:31.03 | AStorm | ;P |
| 20:31.06 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:31.09 | AStorm | not too well |
| 20:31.23 | johnx | yeah, only kinda |
| 20:31.25 | AStorm | it could, but isn't precise enough |
| 20:31.35 | johnx | I can get it about 70% of the time |
| 20:31.39 | KotCzarny | headtouch |
| 20:31.42 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:31.43 | AStorm | hehe |
| 20:31.53 | KotCzarny | well, more like headbang |
| 20:31.54 | AStorm | but then, you could use two different materials in stylus |
| 20:32.01 | AStorm | with huge resistance difference |
| 20:32.28 | KotCzarny | don't know, i know only from my experience with current implementation |
| 20:32.40 | KotCzarny | it can definitely get size |
| 20:32.44 | KotCzarny | and fake multitouch |
| 20:32.47 | johnx | AStorm, so switch to a capacitive screen? |
| 20:32.47 | AStorm | yup |
| 20:32.51 | AStorm | so it can fake eraser |
| 20:32.57 | AStorm | not necessarily |
| 20:33.20 | AStorm | but that would make it easier, yes |
| 20:33.32 | KotCzarny | it would be nice to tune rmb-delay on press |
| 20:33.38 | AStorm | yup |
| 20:33.50 | keesj | i fake multi-touch using buttons and it works great |
| 20:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:34.07 | KotCzarny | keesj: but can you rock? |
| 20:34.07 | AStorm | using buttons? nah |
| 20:34.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:34.18 | KotCzarny | and roll.. |
| 20:34.22 | AStorm | buttons aren't good enough |
| 20:34.30 | lardman | well navit is apparently working (displays maps at least), time to see if its coord system is offset like the last time |
| 20:34.47 | lardman | must reboot, gf wants ipod to have some songs loaded, bbl |
| 20:34.56 | AStorm | reminds me I should check if mapper finished downloading |
| 20:34.59 | GeneralAntilles | Poor lardman. . . . |
| 20:39.14 | AStorm | huh what? he has to reboot to upload to ipod? |
| 20:39.38 | qwerty12_N800 | reboot to win xp i guess |
| 20:39.45 | AStorm | what for? |
| 20:39.58 | KotCzarny | for syncing |
| 20:40.01 | qwerty12_N800 | itunes fan? |
| 20:40.11 | AStorm | available for Linux too? :P |
| 20:40.16 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 20:40.19 | jott | works fine.. |
| 20:40.25 | KotCzarny | but then windowsish one would get out of sync |
| 20:40.34 | KotCzarny | b0rken design |
| 20:40.38 | jott | even better as you don't have to import you collection into itunes first. |
| 20:40.44 | AStorm | oh well |
| 20:40.55 | AStorm | broken design with worm-ridden apple logo |
| 20:41.23 | KotCzarny | it would scream about missing tunes |
| 20:41.47 | KotCzarny | media libraries are evil |
| 20:41.52 | jott | yeah i could imagine it would even delete the song locally :) |
| 20:41.59 | jott | if you set itunes to "manage my songs" |
| 20:42.47 | jott | well media libraries are good if not borked by some stupid design decisions ... |
| 20:42.59 | AStorm | yeah, media libraries are spawns of hell |
| 20:43.06 | AStorm | I like my filesystem |
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| 20:43.16 | jott | media libraries fail only for people who are not able to tag their stuff properly :P |
| 20:43.19 | AStorm | esp. compulsory media libraries |
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| 20:43.31 | sneakret | grr |
| 20:43.31 | AStorm | no, I have the tracks tagged properly too |
| 20:43.38 | KotCzarny | jott, i like my tunes tagged by folders/names, thank you :P |
| 20:43.39 | AStorm | but, adding these to media lib is waste of time |
| 20:43.44 | jott | like "madona" "MadONNA" "MaDDona from KAZZA1" |
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| 20:43.48 | sneakret | ^W in xchat is not backward-word-delete. It closes the window. |
| 20:43.54 | KotCzarny | not some redundant centralized junk |
| 20:44.08 | AStorm | sneakret: well, that's the default GTK shortcut for "close tab" |
| 20:44.10 | sneakret | File systems need to be better indexed. |
| 20:44.19 | AStorm | sneakret: you mean like beagle? ;P |
| 20:44.23 | sneakret | AStorm: Yeah. It's the default in Windows. |
| 20:44.28 | sneakret | too |
| 20:44.31 | KotCzarny | in linux too |
| 20:44.33 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 20:44.36 | KotCzarny | at least in firefox |
| 20:44.39 | RST38h | jott: Fortunately I have no such dilemma |
| 20:44.41 | sneakret | Yeah. :( |
| 20:44.42 | lcuk | hey! stop trying to catch me up |
| 20:44.48 | KotCzarny | hi lcuk |
| 20:44.56 | RST38h | jott: No Madonna in my mp3 library, however you speel it =) |
| 20:44.57 | sneakret | unfortunately if you switch between shell and GUI, that ^W is pretty nasty |
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| 20:45.02 | KotCzarny | i have stopped trying to catch up with a backlog |
| 20:45.06 | sneakret | s/shell/console/ |
| 20:45.16 | sneakret | Thanks, infobot. |
| 20:45.19 | AStorm | jott: most broken apps are those that can't even play files w/o adding them to media lib |
| 20:45.25 | jott | RST38h: hah you just try to hide it :) |
| 20:45.27 | AStorm | this is brain damage |
| 20:45.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:45.33 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:45.46 | lcuk | evening |
| 20:45.49 | jott | well works for me. :) |
| 20:45.51 | sneakret | anyway... I'm not familiar with beagle. |
| 20:45.55 | AStorm | I want to try a few tracks out before I remove them... so then I get to delete them twice |
| 20:45.56 | lcuk | thanks to booze my tooth no longer hurts \o/ |
| 20:45.59 | jott | hey lcuk. |
| 20:46.06 | jott | more booze! |
| 20:46.13 | KotCzarny | lcuk, i told you need disinfection |
| 20:46.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:46.15 | lcuk | will NOT be coding this evening |
| 20:46.19 | AStorm | sneakret: it's the indexing engine, fairly well integrated with Gnome and KDE |
| 20:46.26 | AStorm | uses inotify |
| 20:46.32 | sneakret | Cool. |
| 20:46.34 | RST38h | Alcogolics Anonymous againt the Dental Industry |
| 20:46.53 | lcuk | yer, good job the dentist wasnt drunk |
| 20:46.55 | AStorm | ah, they use alcohol as a disinfectant? |
| 20:46.57 | sneakret | This beagle was pretty well indexed. It showed up in a google search for beagle: http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/nature/wallpapers/beagle-puppy.jpg |
| 20:46.57 | AStorm | hehehehe |
| 20:47.08 | lcuk | thou im sure in a past job he was a tunnel engineer |
| 20:47.12 | AStorm | sneakret: google for beagle search engine |
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| 20:47.26 | GAN800 | lcuk, remember to floss. : |
| 20:47.32 | KotCzarny | lcuk: a dwarf? |
| 20:47.34 | AStorm | sneakret: http://beagle-project.org/ |
| 20:47.42 | lcuk | the size of hole i couldv flossed with cat56 |
| 20:47.46 | lcuk | -6 |
| 20:47.48 | AStorm | GAN800: flossing is overrated |
| 20:47.59 | AStorm | just brush teeth after every meal as recommended |
| 20:47.59 | sneakret | Actually, beagle search engine is the top hit on google. |
| 20:48.02 | GAN800 | AStorm, not if you like your teeth. |
| 20:48.09 | AStorm | sneakret: lol |
| 20:48.16 | GAN800 | Brushing misses a lot |
| 20:48.21 | sneakret | I just wanted to share the picture of the beagle. :) |
| 20:48.22 | AStorm | not if done properly |
| 20:48.24 | sneakret | It was cute! |
| 20:48.30 | GAN800 | and brushing after every meal is bad for your enamel. |
| 20:48.43 | AStorm | hmmm... [citation needed] |
| 20:48.44 | KotCzarny | snoopy is a beagle too |
| 20:48.50 | AStorm | yup |
| 20:48.57 | lcuk | astorm, its an abrasive |
| 20:48.59 | sneakret | snoopy isn't as cute as that one though. |
| 20:48.59 | GAN800 | AStorm, there's no 'proper' way that'll get between teeth. |
| 20:49.11 | KotCzarny | flushing |
| 20:49.19 | sneakret | "Beagle is a search tool that ransacks your personal information space to find whatever you're looking for." |
| 20:49.20 | GAN800 | AStorm, acid in food softens your teeth |
| 20:49.31 | sneakret | ransack has some negative connotations to me. It implies that things are left in disarray. |
| 20:49.37 | GAN800 | Takes at least 30 minutes to harden back up. |
| 20:49.37 | AStorm | obviously, but then, fluoride hardens them |
| 20:49.39 | AStorm | yup |
| 20:49.40 | sneakret | but it's funny |
| 20:49.47 | AStorm | so you shouldn't use full power etc. |
| 20:49.51 | KotCzarny | our civilization is going to end soon anyway |
| 20:49.54 | KotCzarny | so what's the point |
| 20:49.59 | sneakret | Haha. |
| 20:50.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:50.14 | AStorm | anyway, modern toothbrush does get between teeth if used correctly |
| 20:50.21 | GAN800 | No they don't. |
| 20:50.22 | lcuk | if im gonna become a savage im gonna at least have fresh minty breath |
| 20:50.31 | AStorm | GAN800: again, [citation needed] |
| 20:50.36 | GAN800 | Not unless you have giant gaps between your teeth. |
| 20:50.39 | AStorm | you contradict my dentist's advice |
| 20:50.51 | sneakret | If you eat enough altoids, you can have fresh minty pee, too. |
| 20:50.52 | GAN800 | AStorm, cite your own 'facts'. |
| 20:51.02 | KotCzarny | dentists are part of white mafia |
| 20:51.09 | sneakret | I dare someone to ask me to prove that one. ;) |
| 20:51.09 | lcuk | nothin worse than linux folks startin a flamewar between flossing and brushing |
| 20:51.13 | KotCzarny | they are going to make you buy products |
| 20:51.19 | GAN800 | AStorm, well, this is from my own dentist and a hygenist. |
| 20:51.42 | GAN800 | sneakret, Altoids are bad for your teeth, sadly. |
| 20:51.44 | AStorm | hmmh |
| 20:51.51 | AStorm | yes, they are sugar |
| 20:51.56 | sneakret | "nothin worse than linux folks startin a flamewar between flossing and brushing" <- that was worthy of being quoted. |
| 20:52.21 | KotCzarny | how about linux folks trying to sing? |
| 20:52.27 | KotCzarny | together |
| 20:52.28 | lcuk | sneakret, im sure ive made many more quotable lines :) |
| 20:52.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:52.36 | sneakret | can't be as bad as RMS singing. |
| 20:52.44 | KotCzarny | pms singing |
| 20:52.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:53.03 | qwerty12_N800 | singing with pms |
| 20:53.12 | jott | sneakret: it could be rms times "number of people singing" |
| 20:53.20 | AStorm | GAN800: obviously, soft fibers are recommended |
| 20:53.22 | jott | so it can get worse :) |
| 20:53.43 | AStorm | and yes, proper technique does remove most of the material from tooth gaps |
| 20:54.01 | AStorm | you could floss, but this can't replace brushing teeth |
| 20:54.02 | GeneralAntilles | That's highly dependent on the person. |
| 20:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, who argued that flossing replaces brushing? <_< |
| 20:54.15 | lcuk | hey qwerty12_N800 :) dont see you around much |
| 20:54.58 | jott | and every free software fan should support "floss" :P |
| 20:55.06 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I've yet to see a person who flosses after brushing teeth ;P |
| 20:55.09 | lcuk | lol jott |
| 20:55.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:55.19 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: hey :), i'm lurking more now :) |
| 20:55.23 | AStorm | or before |
| 20:55.26 | KotCzarny | but m$ says oss is bad |
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| 20:55.29 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, must hang out with a lot of people with stinky breath, then. ;) |
| 20:55.30 | KotCzarny | for humankind |
| 20:55.36 | lcuk | thats perfectly ok, just hope you are still doin ok |
| 20:56.01 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800's been failing @ teh schoolz. :P |
| 20:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | Now his parent's've got him grounded. ;) |
| 20:56.14 | lcuk | he got caught hazz0ring |
| 20:56.17 | lcuk | xx even |
| 20:56.21 | lcuk | cant type again |
| 20:56.22 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: yeh, i'm doing good thanks :D |
| 20:56.29 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: so true >.< |
| 20:56.31 | lcuk | excellent |
| 20:56.36 | sneakret | RMS singing the free software song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BH7poMtPVU&feature=related |
| 20:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | Haaaa |
| 20:56.51 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: xx eh? |
| 20:56.56 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, remember, your education is important for your future. :P |
| 20:57.00 | jott | joooin us noooow and shaaaare the soooooftware |
| 20:57.01 | AStorm | don't open that unless you want your head to explode |
| 20:57.19 | AStorm | or are deaf |
| 20:57.24 | lcuk | haxx0r |
| 20:57.29 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, horrible lies :P |
| 20:57.31 | jott | yeah rickrolling is out, rmsing is better :) |
| 20:57.49 | jott | it's more in the spirit of floss :D |
| 20:58.03 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, i'm trying to curb my habit of leaving things till last minute lol. rushed my coursework this morning >.< |
| 20:58.13 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 20:58.16 | sneakret | Haha. People applauded at the end of that song! |
| 20:58.18 | GeneralAntilles | But procrastination is fun! |
| 20:58.22 | AStorm | jott: floss = Free Losing Open Source Software? |
| 20:58.24 | AStorm | ;) |
| 20:58.30 | jott | AStorm: exactly :) |
| 20:58.33 | jott | well |
| 20:58.37 | jott | not really :) |
| 20:58.48 | AStorm | or was that Free Licenced Open Source Software or whatever? |
| 20:58.50 | jott | l = libre |
| 20:58.59 | AStorm | Free Free? ;P |
| 20:59.00 | KotCzarny | lucid ? |
| 20:59.07 | KotCzarny | lurking? |
| 20:59.12 | AStorm | We know which licence is really free |
| 20:59.12 | KotCzarny | lunatic? |
| 20:59.21 | AStorm | awaits the licence flame war |
| 20:59.22 | RST38h | Freaking Lunatic |
| 20:59.26 | sneakret | Hey, this is kinda cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-xb1miTjoE&feature=related |
| 20:59.35 | AStorm | what we need is for software patents to be short |
| 20:59.47 | AStorm | that would probably be enough |
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| 21:00.08 | RST38h | As in "Violation punishable by death" |
| 21:00.22 | sneakret | (a 70s funk version of the free software song) |
| 21:01.04 | RST38h | wonders if cutting down screen size, scaling, and the number of drawn frames will make vgba faster on the nxc2600 |
| 21:01.11 | RST38h | only one way to know... |
| 21:01.20 | KotCzarny | cut the bastard! |
| 21:01.22 | AStorm | blah, tongue cleaners are overrated |
| 21:01.36 | KotCzarny | astorm: candida alibins? |
| 21:01.37 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:01.40 | KotCzarny | albinis |
| 21:01.49 | AStorm | albicans if you mean that |
| 21:01.57 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 21:02.10 | KotCzarny | i usually see only first part of the name |
| 21:02.12 | AStorm | actually, there was a nice scientific efficacy test |
| 21:02.23 | AStorm | a proper mouthwash was more effective ;P |
| 21:02.33 | KotCzarny | yes, just spit in the glass of water |
| 21:02.47 | KotCzarny | if it's glue-jello like |
| 21:02.50 | KotCzarny | you have it |
| 21:02.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:04.03 | AStorm | not necessarily that one |
| 21:04.14 | AStorm | other germs produce biofilms too |
| 21:04.37 | KotCzarny | still, you have something infecting your oral cavities |
| 21:04.49 | AStorm | definitely, as has everyone ;P |
| 21:04.59 | AStorm | but then, you have a lot of it |
| 21:05.07 | KotCzarny | oral cavities? |
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| 21:06.55 | AStorm | no, germs... obviously, there's one oral cavity |
| 21:07.16 | KotCzarny | more with genetic failures |
| 21:07.25 | sneakret | I think patents (and intellectual property laws in general) need reform. They were intended to reward innovation and creativity rather than stifle it. |
| 21:07.57 | GeneralAntilles | No shit? :P |
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| 21:08.10 | KotCzarny | sneakret: that would be nice, if the lawmakers weren't close friends with bussiness |
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| 21:08.56 | sneakret | GA: I realize I'm stating the obvious, but it's not so obvious that it's happening. |
| 21:09.31 | sneakret | I sure hope society can eventually repay Walt Disney for inventing Mickey Mouse! |
| 21:09.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:09.43 | KotCzarny | he's dead |
| 21:09.48 | sneakret | Exactly. |
| 21:09.59 | sneakret | and his copyright lives on |
| 21:10.02 | KotCzarny | hitting the clone isn't the same |
| 21:10.04 | sneakret | er...trademark |
| 21:10.05 | sneakret | whatever |
| 21:10.20 | johnx | it's the mickey mouse rule |
| 21:10.39 | johnx | every time mickey mouse is in danger of going into the public domain, copyrights must be extended |
| 21:10.51 | sneakret | Yeah. That's why I chose Mickey. :) |
| 21:11.51 | AStorm | trademark is ok |
| 21:12.06 | AStorm | patents are definitely another issue |
| 21:12.12 | sneakret | how bout copyright? |
| 21:12.15 | AStorm | Mickey is not patented, but trademarked |
| 21:12.17 | sneakret | and what makes trademarks okay? |
| 21:12.20 | AStorm | copyright is... well :) |
| 21:12.27 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:12.35 | AStorm | the problem is not copyright, but patent |
| 21:12.38 | KotCzarny | isn't it that they hunt down mm clones? |
| 21:12.40 | sneakret | Oh? |
| 21:13.00 | sneakret | Copyright is a problem too, in my opinion. |
| 21:13.02 | AStorm | yeah, e.g. MP3 was patented, it only began to spread because of leaked illegal copies of encoders ;P |
| 21:13.18 | AStorm | then reimplementation (still patented) spread |
| 21:13.30 | sneakret | Sure... LZW, too. |
| 21:13.51 | AStorm | sneakret: it really is not, because copyright can't harm others :> |
| 21:13.53 | sneakret | I agree that patents are a problem. I think copyright is also a problem. |
| 21:14.01 | KotCzarny | m$ windows/dos to |
| 21:14.01 | AStorm | what can harm is underdescribed protocols |
| 21:14.02 | KotCzarny | too |
| 21:14.15 | KotCzarny | and x86 pcs too |
| 21:14.33 | KotCzarny | although that was intended i think |
| 21:14.33 | johnx | patents are the worst problem, copyright's are an unfortunate limitation and trademarks are just annoying sometimes |
| 21:14.36 | AStorm | trick is, copyright should not amount to protocols |
| 21:14.47 | AStorm | and deciphering protocols should not be considered reverse engineering |
| 21:14.50 | sneakret | I can go along with johnx |
| 21:15.02 | sneakret | That's how I'd rank them too. |
| 21:15.17 | lcuk | cannot find svn for tablet anymore - has anyone seen it anywhere? |
| 21:15.26 | AStorm | deciphering algorithms... meh, shouldn't be too |
| 21:15.31 | KotCzarny | how about hw access protocols? |
| 21:15.38 | AStorm | this clause should die |
| 21:15.41 | jott | that does not stop the copyright mafia :) |
| 21:15.44 | jott | oops |
| 21:15.48 | jott | backscroll :D |
| 21:16.00 | sneakret | AStorm: Yeah, now you're starting to talk about why I say copyright is a problem. |
| 21:16.21 | AStorm | reverse engineering costs money and time anyway :) and you can actually patent your UI solutions |
| 21:16.23 | AStorm | and algorithms |
| 21:16.26 | sneakret | There are clauses and surrounding laws that make copyright suck. |
| 21:16.51 | sneakret | I'm sure the ipod touch wheel is patented |
| 21:16.52 | AStorm | trick is, how does the company profit if a competitor rev-engs their product |
| 21:17.08 | AStorm | actually, reverse engineering is... a slow method |
| 21:17.12 | sneakret | Yep. |
| 21:17.30 | sneakret | Intellectual property isn't simple to resolve. :) |
| 21:17.31 | AStorm | and you can patent the algorithms anyway (somewhere) |
| 21:17.41 | sneakret | somewhere? |
| 21:17.48 | AStorm | in some parts of the world |
| 21:17.53 | sneakret | Ah. Yeah, in the US. |
| 21:17.59 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Chinook Extras. |
| 21:17.59 | AStorm | EU too |
| 21:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody has packaged it up for Diablo Extras. |
| 21:18.16 | jott | you can also register them in eu but you can't really enforce them in the eu. |
| 21:18.21 | AStorm | but, the patent clause is idiotic, it is far too long |
| 21:18.32 | jott | "provisional" |
| 21:18.38 | AStorm | so, that's where the reverse engineering clause steps in |
| 21:18.45 | KotCzarny | it's because no one expected the progress |
| 21:19.06 | AStorm | to make everyone unable to produce a similar product |
| 21:19.17 | AStorm | copyright actually has nothing to do with reverse engineering |
| 21:19.21 | lcuk | thanks GeneralAntilles :) |
| 21:19.24 | AStorm | while IP on protocols should be banned |
| 21:19.43 | KotCzarny | i wonder when someone patents bliny, or pancakes |
| 21:19.46 | AStorm | Intellectual Property is a lie |
| 21:19.49 | sneakret | "IP on protocols"... haha |
| 21:19.52 | AStorm | software patents are not |
| 21:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | jott, package svn up for Diablo Extras. |
| 21:20.00 | sneakret | Just IPv4, or are you including IPv6 in that? |
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| 21:20.22 | jott | GeneralAntilles: 1.5 or is 1.4 enough? :) |
| 21:20.24 | AStorm | there's no intellectual property, while you can patent algorithms already (e.g. chemicals) |
| 21:20.35 | GeneralAntilles | jott, whatever's handy. |
| 21:20.52 | AStorm | medical companies do it all the time (and too long time also) |
| 21:21.14 | sneakret | I wanna copyright my DNA, then design a virus that splices it into other people, and sue them. |
| 21:21.14 | AStorm | patents should automatically expire on failure to produce in a set time |
| 21:21.42 | sneakret | It'd also be nice if patents expired if they went unenforced for too long. |
| 21:21.44 | AStorm | sneakret: pity, you actually can't patent life just yet |
| 21:21.45 | jott | patents are much more effective than copyright :) |
| 21:21.46 | sneakret | similar to trademark |
| 21:21.52 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:21.53 | AStorm | some guys tried to do that |
| 21:22.03 | KotCzarny | aren't some folks patenting dna? |
| 21:22.09 | KotCzarny | or something related to it |
| 21:22.15 | AStorm | read up on Mycobacterium laboratoriae (or sth) JVCI-1.0 |
| 21:22.19 | sneakret | Yeah. The mapping of DNA. |
| 21:22.22 | AStorm | or whatever |
| 21:22.25 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 21:22.25 | sneakret | of the human genome, specifically |
| 21:22.27 | KotCzarny | that's it |
| 21:22.35 | sneakret | so I was just taking it to another ludicrous level. |
| 21:22.45 | AStorm | trick is, that can't be patented as it's not an invention |
| 21:22.51 | AStorm | you can't patent your own DNA ;P |
| 21:22.56 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 21:23.05 | KotCzarny | if i am special |
| 21:23.12 | KotCzarny | and it can be used for something? |
| 21:23.20 | AStorm | that bacterium is synthetic... so the whole organism could theoretically be patented... if patent system allowed that |
| 21:23.20 | KotCzarny | and no one else has it? |
| 21:23.33 | AStorm | as organisms are not considered inventions, even if synthetic |
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| 21:23.51 | sneakret | somehow though, math IS an invention |
| 21:23.53 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it's not an invention, it's prior work |
| 21:23.56 | sneakret | That's bizarre. |
| 21:23.59 | AStorm | sneakret: prior work again |
| 21:24.11 | KotCzarny | well |
| 21:24.15 | sneakret | AStorm: Hmm? |
| 21:24.38 | KotCzarny | you can patent algos |
| 21:24.38 | KotCzarny | right? |
| 21:24.38 | KotCzarny | math is all algosw |
| 21:24.39 | AStorm | math as a whole was described long before patent system was in place |
| 21:24.39 | KotCzarny | algos |
| 21:24.41 | AStorm | some algorithms |
| 21:24.47 | AStorm | you can't patent long division for example |
| 21:24.48 | AStorm | :> |
| 21:25.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:25.16 | KotCzarny | but you can patent physical application |
| 21:25.17 | sneakret | AStorm: Ah. I meant specific mathematic discoveries can be patented as if they're inventions. |
| 21:25.18 | AStorm | but if you find a new way to do that operation, be sure to patent it |
| 21:25.25 | sneakret | when in fact they're inherent laws |
| 21:25.26 | AStorm | discoveries? |
| 21:25.33 | AStorm | like which? |
| 21:25.50 | KotCzarny | methods to solve misc things? |
| 21:26.00 | AStorm | == algorithms |
| 21:26.10 | AStorm | you can't patent the law these are based on |
| 21:26.18 | sneakret | http://righttocreate.blogspot.com/2005/12/ridiculous-patent-patenting-math.html |
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| 21:26.32 | KotCzarny | what if there is only one way to solve something? |
| 21:26.53 | sneakret | or one "best" way |
| 21:27.02 | sneakret | where everything else is just an approximation or obfuscation |
| 21:27.03 | AStorm | that one is previous work |
| 21:27.11 | AStorm | they can patent the circuit, but not algorithm |
| 21:27.22 | AStorm | that algorithm was long known and described in literature |
| 21:27.33 | AStorm | enforcing this will fail in court |
| 21:27.47 | KotCzarny | sure. |
| 21:27.57 | sneakret | It's still patented. |
| 21:28.02 | KotCzarny | just obfuscate it with weird words |
| 21:28.05 | sneakret | and it is still a nuisance to be sued |
| 21:28.10 | KotCzarny | and people at patent office allow it |
| 21:28.21 | AStorm | sneakret: yes, so what? |
| 21:28.34 | AStorm | they will pay the costs, not even the best lawyer would get them out of it |
| 21:28.38 | sneakret | http://www.amazon.com/Math-You-Cant-Use-Copyright/dp/0815749422 |
| 21:28.59 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yes, so what? a court will reject it |
| 21:29.11 | KotCzarny | what if they bribe the court? |
| 21:29.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:29.13 | AStorm | patent can be contested in court as most other things |
| 21:29.15 | sneakret | If you the party suing you has enough money, and you have little enough, it doesn't really matter if they win the suit. They can still put you out of business. |
| 21:29.21 | KotCzarny | law is a law |
| 21:29.22 | AStorm | then they break the law already by bribery |
| 21:29.25 | KotCzarny | no matter how stupid |
| 21:29.25 | AStorm | ;P |
| 21:29.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:29.38 | AStorm | sneakret: they can stop your business |
| 21:29.55 | AStorm | which is horrible in case of patents |
| 21:30.11 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:30.16 | AStorm | the clause should be revised to disallow such stupid actions and instead require a full recall if a violation is found |
| 21:30.17 | KotCzarny | someone tried to patent @ also |
| 21:30.20 | sneakret | Yeah. So when you say math can't be patented, it seems like that's only a technicality. |
| 21:30.25 | KotCzarny | and doubleclick |
| 21:30.26 | crashanddie | X-Fade, when the fuck are we gonna get git as an RCS on the garage? |
| 21:30.32 | AStorm | sneakret: laws can't be |
| 21:30.33 | KotCzarny | (or was it tripleclick) |
| 21:30.39 | AStorm | algorithms based on the laws can |
| 21:30.39 | sneakret | laws can't be what? |
| 21:30.44 | AStorm | patented |
| 21:30.52 | sneakret | Oh. Mathematic laws. Gotcha. |
| 21:31.18 | AStorm | so, if they manage to compute small cosines another way, then they win |
| 21:31.23 | sneakret | Still, if someone patented the provably most efficient way of calculating pi, that would suck. |
| 21:31.42 | AStorm | well, that patent should be impossible to extend |
| 21:31.51 | AStorm | patent extension is the most horrible thing ever |
| 21:31.53 | AStorm | it should die |
| 21:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you don't remember the answer to that one from before? :P |
| 21:32.12 | AStorm | and it should be short enough in case of software |
| 21:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's a very non-trivial task to integrate it into gforge. |
| 21:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, feel free to provide patches, though. ;) |
| 21:32.25 | AStorm | at most a few years (as in, <=5) |
| 21:32.28 | crashanddie | bleh |
| 21:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you could always talk a semi-integrated solution, though. |
| 21:32.56 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I might have had a few beers, my memory doesn't serve me well |
| 21:32.57 | AStorm | patents are meant to provide a headstart to the developer of technology |
| 21:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., account sharing, but no website-integration. |
| 21:33.04 | sneakret | Extension of copyright is also something I'd like to see killed. |
| 21:33.08 | KotCzarny | were meant |
| 21:33.25 | AStorm | well, copyright is not timed |
| 21:33.25 | KotCzarny | now it's a lock on competition |
| 21:33.36 | AStorm | actually, it is, but it's specifically a very long time |
| 21:33.47 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I just want to have a RCS that allows a circular development, and that tracks contents, not files |
| 21:33.48 | sneakret | Yeah. And you can file for extensions. |
| 21:33.52 | AStorm | as copyright was meant to work for life of an artist |
| 21:34.14 | AStorm | copyright should never have been extended to corporations... or in that case, should've been impossible to extend |
| 21:34.37 | sneakret | AStorm: You keep saying you disagree, but then you agree. |
| 21:34.50 | AStorm | well, I do agree |
| 21:34.59 | AStorm | but copyright can be longer, much longer than patent |
| 21:35.18 | AStorm | it's nowhere as important as patents |
| 21:35.21 | sneakret | Hmm... you're talking as if you know more about this than everyone else here. |
| 21:35.24 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, well, poke -community. |
| 21:35.38 | AStorm | sneakret: see, copyright is on this exact product |
| 21:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, and get with ferenc |
| 21:35.47 | AStorm | not on a whole family of products |
| 21:35.50 | sneakret | AStorm: I know about copyright. |
| 21:35.57 | sneakret | I know about patent. |
| 21:36.04 | AStorm | good for you :) |
| 21:36.09 | lcuk | burps |
| 21:36.10 | sneakret | Dude. |
| 21:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | No, I know about copyright!!!! >:| |
| 21:36.16 | sneakret | You're being pretty obnoxious. |
| 21:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry, what? |
| 21:36.25 | sneakret | You're lecturing on stuff. |
| 21:36.30 | AStorm | Yeah |
| 21:36.40 | AStorm | I have to stop being a preacher |
| 21:36.51 | KotCzarny | who? |
| 21:36.52 | sneakret | I say something, then you disagree, then you explain it as if I don't know about it, then you agree. |
| 21:37.00 | sneakret | Sorry. Talking to AStorm. |
| 21:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | Haaa |
| 21:37.09 | KotCzarny | well |
| 21:37.14 | KotCzarny | it's a matter of dictionaries |
| 21:37.16 | AStorm | sneakret: well, in case of copyrights, you're right |
| 21:37.23 | KotCzarny | and explaining thoughts |
| 21:37.24 | AStorm | but in case of patents vs math, you were wrong :) |
| 21:37.34 | sneakret | I said "math can be copyrighted" |
| 21:37.36 | sneakret | er... patented |
| 21:37.37 | KotCzarny | it's usually the cause of misunderstandngs |
| 21:37.42 | AStorm | math can't |
| 21:37.45 | sneakret | Haha. |
| 21:37.46 | AStorm | algorithms can |
| 21:37.48 | AStorm | :) |
| 21:37.52 | sneakret | Algorithms are math. |
| 21:37.57 | AStorm | algorithms ) math |
| 21:37.58 | sneakret | They fall within that space. |
| 21:38.09 | sneakret | I wasn't saying "all math can be patented" |
| 21:38.30 | AStorm | well, it sounded like that, you didn't qualify which part of math ;P |
| 21:38.36 | sneakret | No, I didn't. |
| 21:38.41 | AStorm | the default quantifier is "any" |
| 21:38.47 | sneakret | To you, maybe. |
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| 21:38.52 | AStorm | no, in math |
| 21:38.59 | lcuk | pisses higher than KotCzarny |
| 21:39.00 | AStorm | or even, every |
| 21:39.01 | sneakret | It might make sense for the default qualifier to be the one that makes sense. |
| 21:39.03 | sneakret | ;) |
| 21:39.09 | KotCzarny | math is more than algos |
| 21:39.15 | sneakret | Yep. |
| 21:39.30 | KotCzarny | lcuk: but i piss more freely |
| 21:39.34 | AStorm | sneakret: well, math is about generalization |
| 21:39.47 | KotCzarny | math is about modelling |
| 21:39.54 | lcuk | drinks more and hits the ceiling of the chatroom |
| 21:40.01 | AStorm | so there the default quantifier is "for every possible value of variables" |
| 21:40.08 | sneakret | AStorm: If I use "math" in a sentence, it doesn't mean |
| 21:40.11 | AStorm | I think language should follow that rule too |
| 21:40.12 | AStorm | ;P |
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| 21:40.30 | AStorm | (unless context suggest something else) |
| 21:40.31 | sneakret | ... it doesn't mean my language is suddenly bound by mathematic conventions |
| 21:40.34 | AStorm | (and it didn't) |
| 21:41.24 | AStorm | so, again, we're at miscommunication ;P |
| 21:41.26 | sneakret | Yeah. |
| 21:42.00 | lcuk | welcome to the internet. |
| 21:42.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:42.12 | AStorm | heh... are there some free vector maps I could abuse? |
| 21:42.17 | lcuk | osm |
| 21:42.28 | AStorm | these are vector? excellent |
| 21:42.34 | lcuk | i believe so yes |
| 21:42.34 | sneakret | so, regarding miscommunication... I've found that rather than looking for a way in which someone is wrong, it's more effective to look for a way to interpret what someone says so that it makes sense, then restate it for clarification. |
| 21:42.34 | AStorm | I know they're missing much |
| 21:42.44 | KotCzarny | http://3d2f.com/tags/trace/map/ |
| 21:42.44 | sneakret | People don't go "Dude. You're being obnoxious." |
| 21:42.45 | sneakret | :) |
| 21:42.54 | AStorm | sneakret: except sense is relative |
| 21:42.56 | lcuk | but advertising for them and using where practical makes for a better experience as others join in |
| 21:43.01 | AStorm | there's no "common" sense |
| 21:43.05 | sneakret | AStorm: Sure. That's why you restate it. |
| 21:43.23 | sneakret | I'm just saying... look for a way to agree rather than disagree. |
| 21:43.32 | AStorm | hmmh |
| 21:43.34 | sneakret | You can reach the same conclusion. |
| 21:43.37 | KotCzarny | math isn't relative |
| 21:44.01 | KotCzarny | i think it's the only thing in universe (other than God) that isn't |
| 21:44.03 | AStorm | if you remove notation from it, then definitely it's not :) |
| 21:44.26 | lcuk | my mother in law isnt relative either (or i wish) |
| 21:44.30 | AStorm | KotCzarny: hard science isn't relative, hehe |
| 21:44.30 | KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_notation |
| 21:44.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:44.46 | KotCzarny | hard science works on perceived world |
| 21:44.55 | KotCzarny | and our ways to perceive are flunky |
| 21:44.59 | KotCzarny | => relative |
| 21:46.01 | mavhc | has anyone tried to steal the vector maps from google maps instead of the tiles? |
| 21:46.16 | lcuk | feels funky - mouth startin to throb agian |
| 21:46.37 | KotCzarny | lcuk, apply more anasthesia |
| 21:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | Jeez, lcuk. |
| 21:46.42 | lcuk | mavhc, i guess yo uare gonna try soon |
| 21:46.48 | lcuk | im out of beer |
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| 21:46.52 | AStorm | KotCzarny: well, hard is the non-relative part |
| 21:46.56 | KotCzarny | any other anasthesia? |
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| 21:47.05 | KotCzarny | astorm: still, you work on flunky data |
| 21:47.09 | AStorm | or that relativity is very precisely described by laws (guess, physics) |
| 21:47.19 | lcuk | only hard coding |
| 21:47.28 | KotCzarny | lcuk: bats? |
| 21:47.43 | AStorm | KotCzarny: flunky data is described by error laws |
| 21:47.44 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you know they sell stuff at the drug store for oral pain, right? |
| 21:48.05 | AStorm | which is part of statistics, which is a branch of math |
| 21:48.10 | KotCzarny | drugs + alco == bad things happen |
| 21:48.10 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | Local anesthetic. |
| 21:48.24 | AStorm | some drugs, yes, NSAIDs and antibiotics |
| 21:48.25 | KotCzarny | astorm: applied math |
| 21:48.38 | AStorm | KotCzarny: pure too |
| 21:48.50 | KotCzarny | if it involves statistical DATA, then not |
| 21:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | Something like Orajel |
| 21:49.04 | KotCzarny | algos in statistics are pure |
| 21:49.05 | AStorm | yes, then it's math applied to data |
| 21:49.26 | AStorm | you can say that something is true with a confidence interval of... |
| 21:49.30 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yer but im a man - i have a god given right to moan and complain and not do anything about it :D |
| 21:49.45 | AStorm | (or in other words, with probability of...) |
| 21:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, suit yourself. :P |
| 21:50.03 | lcuk | besides it only hurts when i yawn for now |
| 21:50.12 | KotCzarny | or eat? |
| 21:50.13 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:50.30 | lcuk | havin 3 hands a drill and a hoover in my mouth tents to strain it somewhat |
| 21:50.36 | lcuk | i had spag bol |
| 21:50.58 | KotCzarny | spag bol? |
| 21:51.36 | lcuk | spaghetti bolognese |
| 21:51.48 | KotCzarny | mmm |
| 21:51.50 | KotCzarny | yummy |
| 21:51.56 | AStorm | have a soup ;P |
| 21:52.02 | KotCzarny | i haven't eaten spaghetti for a long time |
| 21:52.30 | lcuk | im good at sucking |
| 21:52.55 | lcuk | (thats another quote people will take out of context) it only hurts when i have to open my mouth wide |
| 21:53.00 | Jaffa | fnarr |
| 21:53.31 | lcuk | lol jaffa - why have you got "sucking" as a highlight thing. you only stopped lurkin when i mentioned it :P |
| 21:53.33 | AStorm | lcuk: fearing double entendre? |
| 21:53.45 | lcuk | wouldnt be the first time in here |
| 21:54.25 | Jaffa | lcuk: coincidence, I brought back up my screen session to set something downloading with wget |
| 21:54.36 | sneakret | lcuk: I thought "it only hurts when I yawn" was a pretty funny followup to your comment about having the right to complain and do nothing about it. It was kinda the ultimate expression of apathy. |
| 21:54.49 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:54.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:55.23 | lcuk | it should settle down soon, at least i can talk now |
| 21:55.33 | sneakret | I can't hear you! |
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| 21:55.59 | lcuk | put your ear closer to the monitor then |
| 21:56.02 | KotCzarny | joinusnowandsharethesoftwaareyouwillbefreehackerssyoullbefreee |
| 21:56.10 | sneakret | Haha. That's stuck in my head too. |
| 21:56.32 | KotCzarny | we will kick out those dirty licences |
| 21:56.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:56.46 | sneakret | It's so bad it's catchy! |
| 21:56.50 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:56.56 | tlacuache | looking for advice for the best lightweight http server for n800/os2008/diablo. had apache, but it's really overkill for what i need. i've read about thttpd, but can't seem to find it for os2008 |
| 21:57.14 | Jaffa | had to do a quick Google after reading a couple of bits from Russell T. Davies' book which the Times printed last week whilst we were in Berlin; including some stuff about the Christmas Special (Doctor Who) |
| 21:57.30 | lcuk | cool jaffa |
| 21:57.38 | KotCzarny | thttpd ? |
| 21:57.39 | lcuk | that reminds me, i got nivens latest book |
| 21:57.53 | lcuk | it was meant to come in time for the summit, but arrived a couple of hours after i setoff |
| 21:57.54 | KotCzarny | lighttpd could work too |
| 21:59.28 | lcuk | jaffa - did they print extracts or could you get the book itself? |
| 21:59.37 | lcuk | mind you, it was the times, it probably had the hardback included |
| 21:59.47 | lcuk | rememebers those hefty bastards from bein a paperboy |
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| 22:01.58 | sneakret | As far as I can tell, there aren't any downloadable builds of lighttpd or thttpd for os2008 |
| 22:02.08 | KotCzarny | wanna bin? |
| 22:02.14 | KotCzarny | i think it compiles cleanly |
| 22:02.24 | sneakret | I think tlacuache would appreciate it. |
| 22:02.56 | tlacuache | yeah, that's what i found |
| 22:03.09 | tlacuache | couldn't find a build for 2008 |
| 22:03.15 | sneakret | tlacuache: Sounds like KotCzarny is volunteering to provide you with one. |
| 22:03.20 | tlacuache | that'd be sweet |
| 22:03.31 | KotCzarny | but compiling will be good for you |
| 22:03.34 | sneakret | Haha. |
| 22:03.36 | KotCzarny | as it's a trivial task |
| 22:03.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:03.47 | sneakret | Oh? |
| 22:03.55 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:03.59 | tlacuache | i've not cross-compiled for my tablet yet, i'm afraid. |
| 22:04.10 | KotCzarny | unpack, ./configure, make |
| 22:04.21 | sneakret | Ah. Once you have a build enviromnent. |
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| 22:04.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:04.33 | sneakret | Getting the build environment set up isn't trivial. |
| 22:04.41 | KotCzarny | that one is a matter of running one script |
| 22:04.50 | KotCzarny | at least was for me |
| 22:04.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:04.52 | sneakret | Oh yeah? |
| 22:05.01 | sneakret | Enlighten me. |
| 22:05.05 | KotCzarny | downloads and installs everything |
| 22:05.09 | sneakret | Awesome. |
| 22:05.34 | KotCzarny | that was around april though |
| 22:05.46 | KotCzarny | don't know if the complicated things in diablo sdk |
| 22:05.48 | jott | you could even use the vmware image if you don't have linux running :) |
| 22:05.56 | Jaffa | lcuk: two extracts; book's supposed to be good. Lots of interesting behind-the-scenes stuff: it a series of emails between RTD and the co-writer |
| 22:06.02 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ |
| 22:06.06 | Jaffa | Almost blog-like |
| 22:06.08 | KotCzarny | there is a script |
| 22:06.10 | jott | na, it's always trivial. at least if you use the right distribution :) |
| 22:06.23 | KotCzarny | jott: worked in slackware :) |
| 22:06.27 | lcuk | jaffa, cool i may have to check it out |
| 22:06.35 | sneakret | Seems like it wasn't trivial in ubuntu when I did it. |
| 22:06.45 | sneakret | It wasn't extremely painful though. |
| 22:06.49 | jott | ubuntu/debian couldn't be easier. |
| 22:06.52 | sneakret | Oh? |
| 22:07.01 | sneakret | Hook me up! |
| 22:07.02 | jott | it was made for ubuntu/debian. :/ |
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| 22:07.12 | jott | just read the 3 step manual :) |
| 22:07.15 | sneakret | Maybe the doc I found was overcomplicated. |
| 22:07.22 | sneakret | Maybe I WILL! |
| 22:07.24 | KotCzarny | that's what you get for giving clicky-shiny ui for the people! |
| 22:07.38 | jott | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 22:07.42 | sneakret | I think maybe the doc I found was trying to set up too much other crap. |
| 22:07.59 | KotCzarny | maybe you just tried to follow manual install chapter |
| 22:08.03 | mavhc | my n810 diablo just asked me to update canola, but then said it can't find python2.5-terra, am I missing a repo? |
| 22:08.04 | sneakret | Could be. |
| 22:08.04 | KotCzarny | instead of 'automatic install' one |
| 22:08.35 | KotCzarny | manual install is indeed longer |
| 22:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, ignore it or disable Extra-devel. |
| 22:08.38 | jott | i mean it boils down to run "maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh" as root and "maemo-sdk-install_4.1.sh" as user |
| 22:08.41 | KotCzarny | good to know how it works |
| 22:08.42 | handful_ | mahvc do you have extras-devel |
| 22:09.02 | KotCzarny | but then automatic script is just doing all those steps in a script |
| 22:09.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:09.07 | jott | even the vsdo stuff should show up in the script.... |
| 22:09.21 | jott | so you won't have to look it up |
| 22:09.27 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha. The Canola flickr plugin is _awesome_. |
| 22:09.39 | sneakret | GA: Oh yeah? |
| 22:09.40 | handful_ | GeneralAntilles: I was so happy about that :) |
| 22:09.46 | sneakret | Good to hear! |
| 22:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | browses handful_'s Summit photos. |
| 22:10.39 | mavhc | handful_: yes, should I not? |
| 22:10.46 | sneakret | Oh. I know what was wrong with the installation instructions. It didn't define the components. |
| 22:11.38 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, just ignore it. |
| 22:11.42 | GeneralAntilles | It's a false alarm. ;) |
| 22:11.43 | handful_ | mavhc: yes.. you shouldnt.. because cabnoola beta10 is bening uploaded |
| 22:11.47 | handful_ | yeah |
| 22:11.50 | handful_ | we are fighting |
| 22:11.53 | sneakret | it just assumes you know what scratchbox is, etc. |
| 22:11.56 | handful_ | against segfaults :) |
| 22:11.57 | GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel is fine in general, though. |
| 22:12.23 | KotCzarny | well |
| 22:12.34 | jott | those are install instructions. read it up elsewhere if you want to know :/ |
| 22:12.34 | KotCzarny | there is a script for scratchbox install too |
| 22:12.38 | mavhc | so just ignore the errors if I have it enabled? |
| 22:12.57 | sneakret | jott: I understand that the information is available. :) |
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| 22:13.25 | sneakret | but a summary sentence would also be cool |
| 22:13.38 | jott | file a bug. |
| 22:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | handful_, what are you shooting with? The close up of that wooden motorcycle model looks really nice. |
| 22:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, yes, just ignore it for now. |
| 22:14.04 | handful_ | what? |
| 22:14.04 | jott | but still. those are installation instructions. you should know what you want to install ;) |
| 22:14.21 | sneakret | I haven't actually done any NIT development yet, and I'm not familiar with the tools. Where should I start? |
| 22:14.23 | handful_ | ah the pictures? |
| 22:14.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:14.31 | jott | sneakret: maemo reference manual? |
| 22:14.32 | sneakret | How to I learn what I want to install? :) |
| 22:14.34 | handful_ | it's the cheapest canon |
| 22:14.37 | handful_ | the rebel xti |
| 22:14.38 | handful_ | :) |
| 22:14.41 | mavhc | thanks |
| 22:14.41 | handful_ | I am a noob :)O |
| 22:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | also has an XTi. |
| 22:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | Just got on the DSLR train a few months ago. |
| 22:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's a wonderful thing. :D |
| 22:15.46 | crashanddie | X-Fade, HALP |
| 22:15.58 | handful_ | I need to learn, then I will buy some lenses |
| 22:16.40 | lcuk | does anyone know how i can recover my "Project admin" position on liqbase. ermmmm at some point in time i appear to have demoted myself :S |
| 22:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | 50mm f/1.4 and a 50-250mm IS (or the 70-300mm if you want to splurge). |
| 22:16.45 | sneakret | jott: Thanks for pointing me at the maemo reference manual. That was seriously the piece of information I was missing. |
| 22:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | The bundled 18-55mm really sucks. |
| 22:16.59 | lcuk | <<<< fail |
| 22:17.09 | crashanddie | Word, meet lcuk: http://www.knitemare.org/cats/halp_orange.jpg |
| 22:17.12 | crashanddie | world** |
| 22:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, did you ever upgrade me? :P |
| 22:17.28 | lcuk | lol you are listed higher than me \@/ |
| 22:17.43 | Jaffa | sleeps |
| 22:17.44 | lcuk | wonders when you are releasing the new version :P |
| 22:18.18 | sneakret | The 50mm f/1.4 is pretty pricey. I settled for the f/1.8 |
| 22:18.22 | sneakret | Less than a third as much money |
| 22:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | sneakret, yeah, a _lot_ cheaper |
| 22:18.38 | GeneralAntilles | But you do pay for it. ;) |
| 22:18.45 | lcuk | crashanddie, its no hassle for now - at least now the issue is known i can wait until monday and have a go and cleanup the package myself |
| 22:18.46 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you'll probably need X-Fade or ferenc to fix it for you. |
| 22:18.51 | lcuk | yer i know |
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| 22:19.05 | crashanddie | more x-fade than ferenc |
| 22:19.06 | sneakret | Well, I also got the 70-300mm |
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| 22:19.47 | sneakret | or something close to that. Now I have to check. |
| 22:19.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:19.59 | Luria | hi |
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| 22:21.30 | GeneralAntilles | sneakret, worst thing about the 1.8 is the 5-blade aperture. |
| 22:21.36 | sneakret | I lied. I got a 28-75mm |
| 22:21.50 | sneakret | The 70-300 is on my wish list though! |
| 22:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | Lenses are the worst |
| 22:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | You'd think the camera would be the real investment |
| 22:22.34 | sneakret | Not sure what 5-blade aperture is. |
| 22:22.40 | GeneralAntilles | but, nooo, it's all the damn lenses you have to buy. |
| 22:22.48 | sneakret | Yeah, the camera ends up being cheap in the long run. :) |
| 22:23.07 | sneakret | I assume it means the shutter only has 5 blades |
| 22:23.10 | GeneralAntilles | sneakret, look at the images here: http://photo.net/equipment/canon/ef50/ |
| 22:23.13 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 22:23.18 | GeneralAntilles | Ruins the bokeh. |
| 22:23.24 | sneakret | but I don't know how that translates to photos |
| 22:23.27 | sneakret | bokeh? |
| 22:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | Blurred lights in the background. |
| 22:23.57 | sneakret | I see. |
| 22:24.46 | sneakret | For me, it was the f/1.8 or no 50mm. |
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| 22:25.05 | sneakret | Of course, I have the 28-75mm, so maybe no 50mm would've been okay. |
| 22:25.19 | sneakret | :/ |
| 22:25.28 | sneakret | I didn't know what I was doing when I chose my lenses. |
| 22:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, 50mm is a fantastic lens |
| 22:25.56 | sneakret | It's been nice. |
| 22:25.56 | GeneralAntilles | the type of lens you can take into a dark party and shoot without a flash. |
| 22:25.58 | GeneralAntilles | Very fast |
| 22:26.02 | sneakret | Yeah. |
| 22:26.17 | sneakret | I refer to it as my Christmas Morning lens. |
| 22:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:26.36 | sneakret | (Great for taking pictures on Christmas morning.) |
| 22:26.48 | sneakret | I haven't had it on a Christmas morning yet though. |
| 22:27.50 | GeneralAntilles | I really want to get a macro lens |
| 22:28.00 | sneakret | I've been loving mine. |
| 22:29.07 | lcuk | wonders if hes ok to drink n code |
| 22:29.15 | lcuk | backs up first |
| 22:29.44 | Kegetys | I just got extension tubes, works ok for macro and very cheap :) |
| 22:29.55 | KotCzarny | lcuk, yeah, backup |
| 22:30.24 | lcuk | lol - i had an "experience" recently kot whilst you were afk and I somehow managed to add a bug somewhere |
| 22:30.25 | KotCzarny | coding while intoxicated is very damaging to the code |
| 22:30.52 | sneakret | That's for sure. |
| 22:31.02 | lcuk | but theres a ballmer threshhold |
| 22:31.07 | lcuk | peak |
| 22:31.24 | KotCzarny | but it's only for pros |
| 22:32.07 | lcuk | :D http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 22:32.12 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 22:32.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:32.29 | lcuk | is mostly amateur and writes sloppy code |
| 22:32.39 | Luria | mmmm nikon 105/2 ftw |
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| 22:49.30 | oys | did anyone record video of the varioes Maemo Summit talks? |
| 22:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, a few people |
| 22:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ari's talk and the dev session are already up. |
| 22:50.51 | oys | GeneralAntilles: I saw a few of them.. but I was wondering if someone had collected links to everything |
| 22:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | Most of them have been mentioned on Planet. |
| 22:52.01 | oys | I found a great list of torrents from the CCC and it's nice for us students that don't have time/money to travel |
| 22:52.37 | oys | GeneralAntilles: I'll have another read-through and keep my eyes open |
| 22:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | They'll probably be aggregated on the wiki at some point. |
| 22:54.31 | oys | GeneralAntilles: that would be nice.. it was what I was looking for |
| 22:55.01 | GAN800 | Feel free to bug maemo-community about it. |
| 22:56.19 | oys | wiki.maemo.org is down, if not, I'd start it myself.. maybe later |
| 22:56.56 | GAN800 | It's up |
| 22:56.59 | GAN800 | reload |
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| 23:14.24 | oys | GAN800: I still can't get http://wiki.maemo.org to load. I can connect, send my request, and then recieve no response |
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| 23:22.02 | Andy80 | oys: it often happens to me too |
| 23:23.07 | AStorm | ok, does anyone have that fork of maemo-mapper available for diablo, or anything new? |
| 23:23.14 | AStorm | because gdbm is horrible |
| 23:23.28 | AStorm | esp. the fact that mapper has to copy the whole db to compact it |
| 23:23.44 | Andy80 | AStorm: why a fork? I'm not updated about this news... sorry.. |
| 23:23.58 | KotCzarny | htm, isn't mm using sqlite? |
| 23:24.01 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 23:24.06 | AStorm | Andy80: ITT one |
| 23:24.11 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it's using gdbm |
| 23:24.20 | AStorm | I found something by chance |
| 23:24.21 | Andy80 | AStorm: what are the main differences? |
| 23:25.41 | AStorm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16838 |
| 23:25.50 | AStorm | it's more efficient and easier to manage |
| 23:26.03 | AStorm | and doesn't kill mmc as fast |
| 23:26.36 | AStorm | 2.2.mod.1 :> |
| 23:27.22 | AStorm | for some reason, no one even tried to include these mods to mainline |
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| 23:28.43 | KotCzarny | astorm, nice find |
| 23:28.57 | AStorm | forward port should be fairly easy |
| 23:29.12 | AStorm | because changes between 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 were mostly cosmetic |
| 23:29.14 | KotCzarny | why not contacting author directly? |
| 23:29.49 | KotCzarny | removing memory cache is nice too |
| 23:30.07 | KotCzarny | as it's slowing down everything and even crashing the app |
| 23:30.17 | KotCzarny | (system needed to close blabla) |
| 23:31.26 | AStorm | oh, gnuite not liky |
| 23:31.53 | AStorm | they had a talk long time ago and mapper is still worse than this modded 2.2 |
| 23:31.55 | AStorm | so... |
| 23:32.02 | KotCzarny | The MM2.2 Mod 1 includes all the features up to official MM2.3.1 release, |
| 23:33.33 | AStorm | yes, why not :) |
| 23:33.54 | AStorm | trick is, that for some reason mapper is friggin slow after I downloaded 0,6 GB of maps |
| 23:34.08 | AStorm | it takes a long time to find them, which means gdbm is to blame |
| 23:34.32 | AStorm | pure ext3+htrees is faster |
| 23:35.03 | AStorm | (and that is not stellar as far as dbs are concerned) |
| 23:36.20 | AStorm | ext2+htrees should be faster still |
| 23:36.37 | AStorm | for some reason, I'm probably overflowing gdbm's hash tables |
| 23:36.53 | AStorm | or at least they're not cached in memory and have to be read in every time |
| 23:37.02 | AStorm | I put the maps on immc |
| 23:37.23 | AStorm | so it's entirely uncompressed |
| 23:38.19 | AStorm | I'll contact the author later and see if we can devise a solution |
| 23:39.17 | KotCzarny | damn dhl. |
| 23:39.36 | AStorm | seems there is some cache |
| 23:39.48 | AStorm | but it might be just pure filesystem cache of the kernel |
| 23:40.04 | AStorm | (closest zoom levels of a location are cached) |
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| 23:55.36 | Andy80 | AStorm: is this version "maemo-mapper_2.2.mod.1-os2008_armel.deb" valid for os2008 DIABLO? |
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