| 00:00.25 | lcuk | they should make a screensaver with that |
| 00:00.33 | lcuk | replaces bacon.png |
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| 01:11.12 | sneakret | has Nokia announced a new maemo device¥' |
| 01:11.15 | sneakret | ? |
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| 01:15.51 | GAN800 | No. |
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| 01:21.28 | TokyoDan | There seem to be many utilities that switch between USB Peripheral/Host (Networking) modes. The 3 I've tried are: |
| 01:21.28 | TokyoDan | USB Control |
| 01:21.28 | TokyoDan | USB Host/Otg |
| 01:21.28 | TokyoDan | maemo-control-usb |
| 01:21.28 | TokyoDan | And then the Maemo PC Connectivity package installs maemo-control-usb among other things. But I read somewhere that maemo-control-usb requires USB Control (Which requires Python). |
| 01:21.38 | TokyoDan | What I'm trying to do is set up a LAN connection over USB between my N810 Diable and my Mac OSX Leopard. The reason I want this LAN connection is I'm trying to use Eclipse Pluthon to develop Python apps that can be run/debugged directly on the N810 without the need for the sandbox environment on my PC. |
| 01:21.39 | TokyoDan | My questions are: |
| 01:21.40 | TokyoDan | 1. Do all three of these little utilities do the same thing? |
| 01:21.40 | TokyoDan | 2. Is Host mode the same as LAN/Networking mode? |
| 01:21.51 | TokyoDan | 3. What USB/PC Connectivity packages need to be installed to accomplish this. |
| 01:21.52 | TokyoDan | P.S. I've read all the incomplete documentation and am completely confused because of the similar utilities having dependencies/conflicts, and not enough info about if they are good-to-go on Diablo or just Chinook. |
| 01:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, why do you need USBnet for that? |
| 01:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | Just copy the files over sftp or something. . . . |
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| 01:26.37 | TokyoDan | The Eclipse documentation say that PC Networking is necessary. PC Networking installs maemo-control-usb. |
| 01:27.01 | TokyoDan | maemo-control-usb needs USB Control I believe. |
| 01:27.12 | sneakret | Necessary how? |
| 01:27.38 | TokyoDan | That's just what I've read. |
| 01:28.17 | TokyoDan | Do I need te PC Networking package to use Eclipse-Pluthon? |
| 01:29.18 | TokyoDan | I'm pretty confused but I've read that the N810 has to be in host/Lan mode to use ssh from the PC to the N810. |
| 01:29.28 | GeneralAntilles | Forget USB |
| 01:29.34 | GeneralAntilles | What do you think WiFi is for? |
| 01:31.17 | sneakret | sounds like there's some incorrect documentation leading you astray. |
| 01:31.25 | TokyoDan | Maybe I'm using the wrong terms. PC Networking = Maemo PC Connectivity package that is required by Eclipse/Pluthon to debug directly on the N810. |
| 01:39.44 | TokyoDan | I just want to know the easiest way to enable the N810 Diable USB for LAN connection to my Mac so that I can use Eclipse-Pluthon. |
| 01:52.33 | sneakret | tokyodan: I guess nobody here knows that. |
| 01:53.28 | sneakret | no one here at the moment, anyway |
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| 02:13.48 | TokyoDan | I guess you're right sneakernet. |
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| 02:38.23 | Pinger | Anyone figure out how to get USB networking to work via WINXP on N810? |
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| 02:39.00 | Pinger | Anyone figure out how to get USB networking to work via WINXP on N810? |
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| 03:00.15 | Dsnye | night! |
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| 03:07.58 | Viny | Olaa |
| 03:08.59 | mouser-_ | Hello |
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| 04:29.06 | summatusmentis | yes |
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| 04:35.48 | TokyoDan|away | heading out for some exercise. |
| 04:38.40 | RST38h | moos woefully |
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| 05:04.30 | Pinger | Anyone figure out how to get USB networking to work via WINXP on N810? |
| 05:05.05 | RST38h | Hehehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/22/dziuba_anti_revolution/ |
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| 05:09.11 | RST38h | "Don't you think it's just a little scary that people who spend their programming careers in Javascript and PHP are now allowed to think about concurrent execution?" <== priceles |
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| 05:35.53 | Italodance | what are file managers for IT? |
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| 05:38.12 | rm_you | hrm |
| 05:38.14 | rm_you | dodgy connection |
| 05:41.03 | Italodance | ? |
| 05:41.12 | Italodance | what are file managers for IT? |
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| 05:51.00 | tigert | ? |
| 05:51.12 | tigert | morgen |
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| 06:09.27 | bef0rd | mc |
| 06:09.32 | bef0rd | built in file manager |
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| 06:13.56 | pupnik810 | woohoooo |
| 06:14.15 | derf | Welcome to the party. |
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| 06:14.38 | pupnik810 | happy |
| 06:14.46 | pupnik810 | how was summit? |
| 06:15.46 | derf | I wouldn't know. |
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| 06:19.55 | timelyx | good |
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| 06:24.24 | summatusmentis | the n810 doesn't have an fm radio, correct? |
| 06:24.32 | solmumaha | pupnik810: morning |
| 06:24.34 | timelyx | correct |
| 06:24.52 | summatusmentis | :-/ bummer |
| 06:25.00 | solmumaha | morning all actually |
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| 07:51.18 | jsmanrique | morning! |
| 07:53.36 | robink | jsmanrique: Morning. |
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| 08:17.09 | RST38h | moo, zap |
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| 08:25.50 | X-Fade | morning |
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| 08:27.01 | crashanddie | hey X-Fade |
| 08:27.13 | crashanddie | Now, that was exceptionally fun |
| 08:27.22 | X-Fade | It sure was ;) |
| 08:27.24 | crashanddie | Having my n810's alarm clock going off |
| 08:27.37 | crashanddie | With the broken screen |
| 08:27.43 | crashanddie | so... unable to turn it off |
| 08:28.13 | cuse | Hi! I'm using Maemo Diablo on Debian Sid and got the following problem: when trying to install any package with "fakeroot apt-get install something" I get "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded" and so it fails to install or upgrade any package. What can I do? |
| 08:28.16 | X-Fade | Remove battery ;) |
| 08:28.49 | crashanddie | X-Fade, when you're waking up from I drunk night, it's a bit hard to think logically... |
| 08:29.00 | crashanddie | X-Fade, I stood up, left it outside my room |
| 08:29.11 | crashanddie | from a drunk night** |
| 08:29.15 | X-Fade | crashanddie: heh ;) |
| 08:30.02 | crashanddie | anyway, monday morning gotta get ready to run my weekly marathon |
| 08:30.14 | zap | RST38h: moo |
| 08:30.24 | crashanddie | X-Fade, you enjoyed the Summit? |
| 08:30.44 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Oh, yes.. I sure did. It was amazing. |
| 08:31.02 | crashanddie | Good. Lucky you ! |
| 08:31.15 | crashanddie | http://www.mobymemory.com/micro-SD.asp |
| 08:31.26 | crashanddie | Apparently they ship tomorrow for the 16Gig micro-sd |
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| 08:34.11 | Stskeeps | cuse: you mean the SDK? |
| 08:34.26 | cuse | Stskeeps: yes |
| 08:35.37 | Stskeeps | scratchbox 1 i guess? |
| 08:36.19 | cuse | yes |
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| 08:37.58 | cuse | I tried "sb-conf install --fakeroot", but "fakeroot apt-get ..." still fails |
| 08:38.03 | cuse | with the same error |
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| 09:06.20 | thux | hi, what shoud put flasher --set-root-device <here> to get booting back to diskchip? |
| 09:18.48 | thux | apparently <flash> works |
| 09:20.33 | univac | does someone know about charging on diablo? i cant charge my empty battery becouse its everytime reboots from chargeing mode to Nokia bootsplash logo |
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| 09:37.01 | taplax | univac: i think that was some firmware issue which has been fixed. you might try to find it from itt thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12863 |
| 09:38.29 | univac | ok thanks. |
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| 09:44.57 | lardman | morning |
| 09:45.03 | lardman | ~lart TalkTalk broadband |
| 09:45.03 | infobot | executes killall -HUP TalkTalk broadband |
| 09:46.02 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: apologies for dropping out yesterday, see above |
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| 09:48.05 | lardman | hi johnx |
| 09:48.33 | johnx | hey |
| 09:48.40 | johnx | how goes it? |
| 09:49.03 | lardman | not bad, summit was good :) |
| 09:50.45 | lardman | whoa, trying to edit this page to add a link to my presentation (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008), does the preview not work correctly? |
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| 09:54.57 | X-Fade | lardman: Sometimes tables in previews have 'issues'. |
| 09:57.45 | lardman | X-Fade: I was loath to save it, didn't look too good |
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| 10:09.07 | NeoWatch | hey guys... my n800's screen keep scrolling down and shaking anyone has an idea what would cause that? even reflashing didnt fix it |
| 10:10.05 | johnx | "scrolling down"? is it reacting like the d-pad down button is held? |
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| 10:11.38 | NeoWatch | see like when a movie finishes and u see the credits? the same but i keep seeing the same screen one and again |
| 10:12.15 | X-Fade | NeoWatch: Looks like a display cable problem or something. Hardware related at least. |
| 10:12.41 | NeoWatch | hmm i bought in in compusa hopefully they still have warranty |
| 10:13.07 | X-Fade | NeoWatch: Just to be sure. You even see the bootup Nokia logo scroll? |
| 10:13.22 | NeoWatch | yeah |
| 10:13.36 | X-Fade | Yep, hardware problem. |
| 10:13.37 | NeoWatch | right now i have it on USB mode and its scrolling |
| 10:14.09 | X-Fade | It can be something as simple as your flatcable a bit loose. But try warranty first ;) |
| 10:16.03 | NeoWatch | okey thanks. |
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| 10:20.07 | Talus46_n810 | greetings |
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| 10:29.17 | bongo | hello :) |
| 10:33.51 | RST38h | Hello, X-Fade |
| 10:34.10 | RST38h | X-Fade: Any news on Speccy 1.6.3 promotion to Extras? |
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| 10:40.35 | lcuk | X-Fade, :) hi - did you wake up the next day with "wii-elbow"? |
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| 10:42.00 | lcuk | hi everyone else btw \o |
| 10:42.00 | X-Fade | lcuk: No, upper arm hurt :) |
| 10:42.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: I'll check.. |
| 10:42.26 | lcuk | :D did you do anything other than tennis? i found the baseball and boxing was hardest |
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| 10:42.50 | X-Fade | Well, did some Mario cart too. |
| 10:43.18 | RST38h | Do they have Castlevania for Wii at all? |
| 10:43.23 | lcuk | thats easy (apart from throwing stuff at your mates |
| 10:43.45 | lcuk | lego star wars is wicked - waving light sabre around is good fun |
| 10:44.28 | Fatal | :) |
| 10:44.48 | RST38h | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/21/AR2008092102529.html?nav=rss_email/components <=== second degree gender discrimination |
| 10:44.49 | Fatal | or plopping the arms off stormtroopers |
| 10:45.58 | RST38h | (although I do believe they are computing two variables that depend on a third rather than on each other) |
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| 10:51.42 | lcuk | goes for dinner |
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| 11:05.33 | StsN800 | lo aladds |
| 11:05.56 | aladds | hi |
| 11:07.35 | X-Fade | RST38h: Non-free? |
| 11:08.10 | StsN800 | aladds, you have something called bme-dbus-proxy in 2006? |
| 11:08.29 | aladds | StsN800: no idea, but i can find out |
| 11:08.49 | aladds | boots his 770 into OS2006 |
| 11:09.41 | X-Fade | RST38h: You need to remind me of the problem. It looks good to me? |
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| 11:12.37 | aladds | StsN800: yes, yes i do |
| 11:12.48 | StsN800 | aladds, good:) |
| 11:12.57 | StsN800 | path? |
| 11:13.51 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 11:14.16 | lcuk | hi simon :) |
| 11:14.28 | lardman | do some sightseeing? |
| 11:14.28 | aladds | StsN800: gimmie a sec :P |
| 11:14.30 | lcuk | had a really good time, hope you had fun too |
| 11:14.54 | lardman | definitely, shame I had to leave so early, was having a good chat about mapper backends |
| 11:14.59 | lcuk | yer, i spent the afternoon around the zoo and the transport system - it was amazing to just stand around and listen to the bustle |
| 11:15.14 | lardman | did you see the aquarium? |
| 11:15.22 | lcuk | i am even starting to understand both language and the way things work - i was amazed with everything :) |
| 11:15.30 | lardman | all good :) |
| 11:15.42 | lcuk | no, i didnt go in anywhere - lack of funds - but it wasnt as important to me |
| 11:16.17 | lcuk | next time im bringing tracy and the kids with us (if things progress) and then we can spend some proper time doin stuff |
| 11:16.34 | lardman | cool |
| 11:16.38 | lcuk | loves berlin :) |
| 11:17.00 | lcuk | how was your return trip - everything smooth |
| 11:17.14 | lardman | yeah, delayed of course, but Holly picked me up |
| 11:17.25 | lardman | wonders how Jamie got on |
| 11:18.35 | aladds | StsN800: does this help? http://pastebin.com/d4e12baff |
| 11:18.51 | lcuk | i had a slight delay between tegal and frankfurt - i was told to run through and legged it top whack - i arrived and the very nice german security staff were nicand found out which way and clarified i had enough time n stuff |
| 11:19.03 | lcuk | was knackered |
| 11:19.50 | lardman | got home full of ideas for stuff to hack at, and bloody broadband was still broken |
| 11:20.38 | lcuk | ouch - i tried to connect my nokia(s) to my phone whilst in berlin and it failed miserably, i cant wait for the new stuff - all in one will make my life easier |
| 11:20.47 | lcuk | which stuff are you looking towards? |
| 11:22.01 | lardman | I thought I'd take a stab at the usb2vga stuff, take a look at why usb is slow |
| 11:22.14 | lardman | and also tile/routing server backend for OSM data for Maemo mapper |
| 11:22.24 | lcuk | yer, it did seem a bit "wrong" - hopefully its something tweakable |
| 11:23.24 | lcuk | yer, that was a very interesting track :) i wonder if a similar server could be built to interface with the already onboard vector maps we have on device |
| 11:23.36 | lcuk | it would save doubling up on the space requirements for 810 owners |
| 11:24.11 | lardman | well yes that would be possible, using the same code in mm assuming someone works out the format and creates a server to render the data and do routing |
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| 11:24.25 | lardman | I imagine Garmin maps would be the second target as the format is known |
| 11:24.54 | lcuk | yer, if the framework gets started it can be moulded into something usable by the vogue of the day |
| 11:25.29 | lcuk | has 5 hours till tracy comes home |
| 11:25.34 | lardman | there's not even much framework needed, just need to act as a web server and serve mm with whatever it currently uses |
| 11:25.37 | lcuk | well, till she picks me up |
| 11:25.48 | lardman | where are you now then? |
| 11:26.06 | lcuk | @desk |
| 11:26.11 | lcuk | knows where he would rather be |
| 11:27.18 | lardman | would rather be home programming, but with internet that's not going to be all that convenient |
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| 11:27.22 | lcuk | i was sat around making notes about all the areas which need tweaking and imporvoing and how to do the next phase |
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| 11:27.28 | lardman | s/with/with no |
| 11:27.57 | lcuk | thanksfully most of my stuff is happy without internet - for now - :) |
| 11:28.13 | lardman | I need to grab svn code, look at how things work, etc. |
| 11:28.22 | lcuk | but ive gotta re-evaluate how to dev since my family got a bit bigger |
| 11:28.41 | Stsn800 | aladds, yeah -ta |
| 11:28.50 | aladds | :) |
| 11:28.52 | lcuk | good /me has a whole set of new ideas which can be tested now :) |
| 11:29.13 | lcuk | hmmm -good (but thats not bad) |
| 11:29.45 | lardman | has to reduce a 20pg paper to 8pg, madness |
| 11:29.48 | lcuk | so what time did you land back yesterday and how late were you? |
| 11:30.04 | lardman | lcuk: I got back on Sat night, about 11pm |
| 11:30.15 | lcuk | Ctrl A, Font Size 6. Done |
| 11:30.33 | lardman | lol, yeah I'm tempted |
| 11:31.14 | lcuk | i hate boiling things down, but its still easier than not having enough and having to pad things out |
| 11:33.22 | lcuk | does anyone know if theres a bluetooth wristwatch with a customisable display? |
| 11:33.29 | lcuk | ie one i can send a bitmap to |
| 11:33.55 | lcuk | is sick of writing reminders on side of thumbs |
| 11:34.12 | crashanddie | 16Gig microSD in stock: http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC/SanDisk/SanDisk-16GB-Micro-SD-(SDHC)-Card---Class-4-(Excluding-Adaptor) |
| 11:35.01 | crashanddie | mobymemory starts delivering tomorrow |
| 11:35.04 | lcuk | not good if you cant see the data |
| 11:35.19 | crashanddie | lcuk, why wouldn't you be able to see the data? |
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| 11:36.01 | lcuk | you can't i mean |
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| 11:36.11 | crashanddie | ? |
| 11:36.17 | crashanddie | oh because of the screen? |
| 11:36.24 | lcuk | yeah |
| 11:36.29 | crashanddie | .|.. |
| 11:36.29 | lcuk | mariuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus |
| 11:36.36 | lcuk | did you get food? |
| 11:36.46 | crashanddie | anyway, off to CarePhone Warehouse |
| 11:36.48 | crashanddie | cheers |
| 11:37.00 | karbas | btw. is there any book or document about maemo platform |
| 11:37.08 | crashanddie | and if they won't fix it, I'll go directly to Nokia UK HQ |
| 11:37.15 | karbas | should do my thesis and write some pages about maemo in general |
| 11:37.18 | lcuk | yes do |
| 11:37.24 | Stsn800 | oh, this is interesting |
| 11:37.36 | crashanddie | lcuk, I'll drop my CV off at the same time :D |
| 11:37.52 | lcuk | good idea |
| 11:37.59 | crashanddie | lcuk, got a call from another company, they'd like to interview me for a "nicely paid job in the south east" |
| 11:37.59 | Stsn800 | austin che started reverse engineering bme protocol |
| 11:38.03 | lcuk | let them know you are involved in the community |
| 11:38.20 | crashanddie | lcuk, usually that means crappy pay for a fortune5billion company |
| 11:39.24 | lcuk | hmmm this would work for what i want http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/04/20/is-that-windows-mobile-on-your-wristwatch |
| 11:39.34 | lcuk | crashanddie, thats the case everywhere |
| 11:44.24 | mgedmin | lcuk: hi |
| 11:44.39 | mgedmin | 'mariuuuu*s' is not in my notify words list |
| 11:44.54 | lcuk | hahaha but it worked |
| 11:45.15 | mgedmin | found a coctail bar that had sushi |
| 11:45.21 | lcuk | how was the return journey for you? |
| 11:45.27 | mgedmin | it was nice |
| 11:45.31 | mgedmin | the next day was not so nice |
| 11:45.40 | mgedmin | had no time to get breakfast before my flight |
| 11:45.45 | mgedmin | arrived home with a headache |
| 11:45.50 | mgedmin | crashed and lost the rest of the day |
| 11:46.13 | lcuk | :( i hate those kind of days |
| 11:46.54 | lcuk | all fine now and back on track i gather |
| 11:50.34 | lcuk | im goin smokin, ill b back after work |
| 11:50.48 | mgedmin | filthy habit |
| 11:52.45 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:59.43 | Stsn800 | hm, who runs that mrrau dyndns site? |
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| 12:11.56 | Stskeeps | ~seen KotCzarny |
| 12:11.59 | infobot | kotczarny <n=ariel@68.162.32.101> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 97d 13h 17m 37s ago, saying: 'no point in using 2007'. |
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| 12:12.12 | aladds | Stskeeps: pidgin is sloooow |
| 12:12.16 | RST38h | Something happened to him |
| 12:12.28 | RST38h | Car accident? Murder? Marriage? |
| 12:12.31 | solmumaha | ~seen Alterego |
| 12:12.32 | infobot | alterego <n=alterego@cpc3-cmbg11-0-0-cust590.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 207d 19h 54m 53s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get maemo.rubyx.co.uk back up.'. |
| 12:13.06 | solmumaha | heavy rest indeed |
| 12:14.00 | solmumaha | i miss him :( |
| 12:14.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: that person had some interesting insight into implementing OSS solutions of nokia things |
| 12:14.46 | Stskeeps | kinda like austin che |
| 12:15.05 | RST38h | Sts: Too late now. |
| 12:15.19 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 12:15.25 | RST38h | "He is dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and I will take his purse." |
| 12:15.37 | Stskeeps | his site is still up so there's hope ;) |
| 12:15.53 | Stskeeps | hm. he's actually on freenode |
| 12:16.27 | solmumaha | so is alterego! |
| 12:17.08 | RST38h | -> *KotCzarny* Hey, how come we do not see you at #maemo any more? =) |
| 12:17.22 | Stskeeps | i asked some more specific question :P |
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| 12:18.21 | mgedmin | wants pulseaudio on his n810 |
| 12:18.48 | Stskeeps | osso-esd is OSS these days |
| 12:18.50 | Stskeeps | implement it? |
| 12:18.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:19.08 | Stskeeps | (yes, dsp headers too) |
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| 12:26.26 | RST38h | mgedmin: what is the advantage over esd? |
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| 12:27.56 | mgedmin | RST38h: you can switch streams in mid-play to a different networked output |
| 12:28.02 | mgedmin | which is my killer use-case for pulseaudio |
| 12:28.11 | mgedmin | plus zeroconf discoverability, yum |
| 12:28.21 | mgedmin | (shame it all works better in theory than in practice) |
| 12:29.03 | mgedmin | IIRC pulseaudio is going to be builtin in freemantle |
| 12:29.19 | RST38h | mgdemin: cool, too bad it does not help my usage case =( |
| 12:30.32 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: the osso-esd stuff is pretty simple, so go ahead and make a pulseaudio output plugin :P |
| 12:30.38 | RST38h | Which is synthesizing audio on the fly and playing it with reasonble latency/jitter |
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| 12:31.12 | blafasel | Whoa. Call me ignorant, but I never thought someone would actually use the sword/rapier stuff. Interesting. |
| 12:31.51 | RST38h | BTW anyone knows if esd *ever* stalls when you output samples? It seems to be buffering whatever I output |
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| 12:34.17 | ShadowJK | considering pulseaudio sometimes uses 25% cpu on my sempron3100 just outputting sound, it will certainly be "interesting" to see how pulseaudio will fit into a tiny ARM cpu... :) |
| 12:35.00 | RST38h | "Interesting" as in "will it use 100% CPU or just 25%"? =) |
| 12:35.50 | ShadowJK | You can forget low latency and low jitter if you're up to 25% cpu just to stream nice big chunks of audio :) |
| 12:36.08 | RST38h | Prolly |
| 12:36.42 | RST38h | asks The Great Green One to make Nokia provide a standard /dev/dsp device |
| 12:36.55 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.22 | ShadowJK | It's certainly sad that Linux has no decent audio interface right now |
| 12:37.28 | suihkulokki | RST38h: well, it's certainly fortunate that you are not doing architectural decisions :) |
| 12:37.35 | RST38h | Shadow: Who said it does not? |
| 12:37.49 | RST38h | suihkulokki: Fortune is in the eye of a beholder |
| 12:38.09 | blafasel | RST38h: The linuxhater blog did. |
| 12:38.10 | blafasel | ;-p |
| 12:38.18 | RST38h | Shadow: Any of the above listed interfaces will work just fine |
| 12:38.45 | RST38h | blafasel: They also called to the Great Green One? Have they sacrificed a tux or two? |
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| 12:39.38 | RST38h | Shadow: Ok, I agree that OSS ioctl()s implemented in /dev/dsp are SoundBlaster centric and should be mostly dropped. But the base API is exactly what is needed and not a whistle more |
| 12:40.09 | ShadowJK | yeah, the OSS stuff is probably the most sane |
| 12:40.29 | RST38h | Well, there is also Sun's /dev/audio - very similar to /dev/dsp but simpler |
| 12:40.47 | RST38h | And there is FreeBSD's /dev/pcm - a simplified straightened out version of /dev/dsp |
| 12:40.48 | ShadowJK | And if you use the out of tree OSS drivers you can even play multiple sounds at once! |
| 12:41.01 | ShadowJK | sunaudio is nice |
| 12:41.09 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: what's debian policy on things that's reverse engineered btw? i'm allowed to from my law atleast to open things up and stuff |
| 12:41.23 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: if for instance we start making OSS replacements for nokia daemons |
| 12:41.25 | RST38h | Shadow: Multiple streams issue has been solved long time ago - you normally have 4 or so audio device nodes |
| 12:41.54 | ShadowJK | has one |
| 12:42.04 | RST38h | No dsp0 through dsp3? |
| 12:42.20 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps, there is no debian policy, but you'll want to keep keep the documentation and implementing phases atleast separate |
| 12:42.22 | RST38h | Well, try opening the one you have multiple times |
| 12:42.33 | ShadowJK | can only open it once |
| 12:42.37 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: *nod* |
| 12:42.46 | RST38h | Then your version does not support multiple streams |
| 12:43.10 | suihkulokki | and the rest of you guys should read the Linux plumbers conf audio miniconf notes from lwn.new |
| 12:43.12 | ShadowJK | need the OSS that isn't in Linux :P |
| 12:43.30 | suihkulokki | ..before makinf more ill-informed comments based on anecdoctal evidence :P |
| 12:45.44 | ShadowJK | link? |
| 12:46.17 | mgedmin | http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/299211/80bd386c71bab66f/ |
| 12:47.40 | ShadowJK | "the software that currently breaks your audio." |
| 12:47.41 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 12:49.08 | RST38h | suihkulokki: this stuff should have never been in the userland |
| 12:49.28 | RST38h | It should have been a device with a clean ioctl() based API |
| 12:50.11 | mgedmin | kernel hackers disagree :( |
| 12:50.32 | RST38h | feels to urge to suggest FreeBSD instead |
| 12:50.35 | mgedmin | they don't want audio resampling & mixing in kernel-space |
| 12:50.37 | RST38h | [sorry][ |
| 12:50.59 | mgedmin | freebsd on a tablet? |
| 12:51.07 | RST38h | mgedmin: why not? |
| 12:51.13 | mgedmin | could be a nice lightning talk topic for the next summit |
| 12:51.14 | aquatix | wants minix3 dammit |
| 12:51.16 | RST38h | It runs on the iPhone :) |
| 12:51.21 | mgedmin | we'll be expecting you ;) |
| 12:51.52 | suihkulokki | using freebsd would allow N to keep more components closed |
| 12:51.54 | RST38h | Not likely. If I get a chance to attend, the talk will most likely be centered on performance optimization for ARMs |
| 12:52.06 | mgedmin | shush, don't give them any ideas! |
| 12:52.29 | RST38h | suihkulokki: however they wish. |
| 12:53.11 | RST38h | btw, mixing they will have to have implement in the kernel but resampling can be done in a helper library |
| 12:53.30 | ShadowJK | It's like, you have a problem with Applications X and soundsystem/daemon Y, the Y devs say it's the fault of X, the X people are clueless because Y wont tell them what to change or what they're doing wrong, enough different Xs eventually emerge and they write another sound system/daemon, and the cycle repeats :( |
| 12:53.42 | RST38h | And decent hardware will do mixing by itself of course. |
| 12:53.59 | ShadowJK | There will be no decent hardware :) |
| 12:55.09 | RST38h | Shadow: AC97 supports multiple streams |
| 12:55.19 | RST38h | And that is *97*, mind you :) |
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| 12:55.56 | aquatix | yeah, i still hate how i can't even listen music and play a flash movie with sound at the same time on my brandnew workstation |
| 12:56.08 | aquatix | somehow works on my laptop though |
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| 12:56.40 | ShadowJK | I can as long as I don't mind pulseaudio eating 25% CPU, and/or flash having 4 second latency :-) |
| 12:57.12 | RST38h | Shadow: You do not have AC97 or maybe you need a proper audio deriver? |
| 12:57.17 | RST38h | s/deriver/driver/ |
| 12:57.25 | jsmanrique | time for lunch |
| 12:57.29 | blafasel | pa works for me, it's not even lagging behind. Except when I close epiphany/flash, I have to listen to some 3-4 seconds of youporn before it dies. |
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| 12:58.15 | Stskeeps | glances at his tablet and pondering what it is doing |
| 12:58.15 | blafasel | (and wine sucks with pa. Same for some voip apps) |
| 12:58.43 | ShadowJK | blafasel, yeah that's what I meant with latency |
| 12:59.17 | ShadowJK | RST38h, lspci says AC'97 :P |
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| 12:59.36 | ShadowJK | it's not like anything except ac97 exists on desktop in real life anymore.. |
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| 13:00.42 | RST38h | Shadow: There is some way to see audio device stats that also shows you hiw many streams are supported |
| 13:01.22 | mgedmin | I bet AC97 *allows* multiple streams, but doesn't *require* them |
| 13:01.37 | mgedmin | so everyone goes for the cheap solution and implement mixing in software |
| 13:01.46 | ShadowJK | yep |
| 13:02.21 | ShadowJK | /proc/asound/pcm lists one playback one record stream |
| 13:02.36 | ShadowJK | hm no, seems like 2 capture and 1 playback :) |
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| 13:07.15 | RST38h | 2 capture is for stereo =) |
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| 13:08.35 | RST38h | Shadow: The Net says ALSA contains a software mixing plugin |
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| 13:09.09 | johnx | RST38h, that's dmix |
| 13:09.17 | RST38h | yep |
| 13:09.25 | johnx | it works great too |
| 13:09.30 | johnx | not network transparent though |
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| 13:10.06 | RST38h | oh, who needs network transparency really... |
| 13:10.11 | mgedmin | I do |
| 13:10.28 | RST38h | what is the usage case? a thin client? |
| 13:10.29 | johnx | RST38h, some people :) |
| 13:10.51 | johnx | playing sound from my tablet to my computer's speakers? |
| 13:11.03 | mgedmin | yep |
| 13:11.04 | johnx | from laptop to speakers hoooked to a set-top box |
| 13:11.07 | RST38h | johnx: mount it as a device |
| 13:11.26 | RST38h | I mean, as a storage device |
| 13:11.40 | johnx | that is one possibility |
| 13:11.55 | RST38h | and a wiser one two, with respect to the amount of data transferred |
| 13:12.56 | johnx | but it can be kind of a PITA sometimes |
| 13:13.10 | johnx | I'm just playing the devil's advocate anyways... |
| 13:13.42 | RST38h | works for me most of the time...even over bluetooth =) |
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| 13:27.07 | Mek | hmm.. how do I figure out in what repository a package is? Because currently I have a package I need that is available in my scratchbox install, but not on my actual device... |
| 13:27.23 | johnx | apt-cache policy package |
| 13:28.39 | Mek | ah, it is diablo/sdk. does it hurt to enable that on an actual device? |
| 13:29.15 | Stskeeps | we enable it as part of deblet install :P |
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| 13:32.24 | Mek | anyway, why are many perl modules only available in sdk, ant not in some 'normal' repository :) |
| 13:33.13 | Stskeeps | maemo madness |
| 13:33.19 | Stskeeps | it's kinda like mad cow, only with operating systems |
| 13:33.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:33.29 | X-Fade | Because they are used by certain debian tools? |
| 13:33.33 | johnx | sounds like a game show on daytime TV... |
| 13:33.38 | X-Fade | Which are not needed on the device. |
| 13:33.58 | X-Fade | And enabling the sdk repository on your device is a bad thing to do. |
| 13:34.25 | Stskeeps | so binutils on tablet is considered harmful? |
| 13:34.32 | Mek | but they are not only used by debian tools, someone may also wright a real application in perl for example... :P |
| 13:34.45 | X-Fade | No, but if you need them: Upload to extras? |
| 13:35.04 | X-Fade | Mek: Sure, put perl in extras ;) |
| 13:35.08 | Stskeeps | i'd love binutils in extras really :P |
| 13:35.35 | Stskeeps | (which other do we use from diablo/sdk, johnx?) |
| 13:35.52 | Mek | I guess I'll upload all the perl modules I need to extras-devel than... |
| 13:36.03 | johnx | Stskeeps, do you still grab bash from someplace random? |
| 13:36.04 | timeless | x-fade: err |
| 13:36.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: we don't need bash anymore |
| 13:36.12 | Stskeeps | sh is just fine |
| 13:36.20 | X-Fade | Mek: That would be the best option as others can use it too. |
| 13:39.47 | X-Fade | binutils is in the sdk/tools repo. Which you can use on the device. |
| 13:40.18 | X-Fade | But no perl, I'm affraid. |
| 13:41.28 | johnx | Stskeeps, ncurses-base is from sdk or tools |
| 13:41.31 | Mek | well.. perl must be somewhere, because I already have that installed on my device... justmany perl modules are missing... |
| 13:41.48 | Stskeeps | ah yes |
| 13:42.18 | X-Fade | Ehm, right. It is on the device. |
| 13:42.32 | X-Fade | But probably pretty slimmed down./ |
| 13:43.04 | johnx | diablo/tools/free is ok to have enabled on the device, right? |
| 13:43.12 | johnx | or is that related to sdk? |
| 13:43.21 | X-Fade | The tools part is ok. |
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| 13:44.42 | johnx | Stskeeps, looks like we can get everything from non-sdk repos |
| 13:46.06 | Stskeeps | good |
| 13:46.17 | Stskeeps | what about binutils? :P |
| 13:46.20 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 13:46.21 | Stskeeps | sdk/tools |
| 13:46.40 | Stskeeps | that's good to know |
| 13:46.51 | Stskeeps | *add to todo* |
| 13:47.17 | johnx | for n in $(apt-cache show deblet-installer | grep Depends | cut -f2 -d:) ; do apt-cache policy $(echo $n | cut -d, -f1) ; done |
| 13:47.32 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:47.48 | johnx | it doesn't cope well with |'s but just ignore those |
| 13:48.15 | GeneralAntilles | ohgod. Please, no, RST38h. <_< |
| 13:48.16 | Stskeeps | [15:45] <johnx> for n in $(apt-cache show deblet-installer | grep Depends | cut -f2 -d:) ; do apt-cache policy $(echo $n | cut -d, -f1) ; done |
| 13:48.19 | Stskeeps | er |
| 13:48.29 | Stskeeps | wrong paste |
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| 13:49.12 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://trac.tspre.org/newinstaller.deb is the new apt-using installer if you are interested - repo URL isn't final yet but it works, going to prod some people with it to test how it works with the new package infrastructure |
| 13:49.31 | Stskeeps | (no upgrade path from normal deblet yet sadly) |
| 13:49.45 | johnx | that's fine, I'll backup my $HOME and give it a shot |
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| 13:50.54 | Stskeeps | minor things like hal-gpio-switch aren't working, atleast |
| 13:52.17 | Stskeeps | cos for some reason apt doesnt choose -my- hal version |
| 13:52.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:52.43 | johnx | we can pin your repo at a higher priority |
| 13:52.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, true |
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| 13:53.01 | Stskeeps | it's weird though since it was like a ~version compared to the - version |
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| 13:54.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: Any luck on that Speccy package? |
| 13:54.33 | X-Fade | RST38h: What is the problem with it? :) |
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| 13:54.41 | Stskeeps | spams the usual suspects with "could you try this out" pm's |
| 13:54.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:54.58 | X-Fade | RST38h: I checked it, installed it, uninstalled it. Worked for me? |
| 13:55.11 | RST38h | General: What did your request relate to? =) |
| 13:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | Not trying to get KotCzarny back in here if he's still around. |
| 13:55.29 | RST38h | X-Fade: I uploaded 1.6.3 last night, but the Packages file still says 1.6.2 |
| 13:55.40 | X-Fade | RST38h: No it doesn't? |
| 13:55.45 | RST38h | General: Has he been naughty? |
| 13:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | I am not a fan. |
| 13:56.06 | X-Fade | RST38h: I installed 1.6.3 from Application Manager? |
| 13:56.12 | RST38h | X-Fade: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/4.1/non-free/binary-armel/Packages <-- definitely says 1.6.2. Weird. |
| 13:56.25 | RST38h | seems to be a victim of some web cache |
| 13:56.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ah, wait. I might have -devel enabled :) |
| 13:56.53 | RST38h | submitted it to plain extras |
| 13:57.39 | X-Fade | RST38h: It is in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/non-free/binary-armel/Packages too btw. |
| 13:57.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: Are you sure you are not looking at a cached copy? |
| 13:57.58 | X-Fade | Version: 1.6.3-1 |
| 13:58.06 | X-Fade | Version: 1.6.3-1 |
| 13:58.09 | X-Fade | MD5sum: 6a3c695ee815fd3cf175fd264cf65da5 |
| 13:58.12 | RST38h | Weird |
| 13:58.17 | RST38h | Ok, lemme wget it from Komkon |
| 13:58.38 | X-Fade | RST38h: Why are you using 4.1 and not diablo btw? |
| 13:59.13 | RST38h | dunno...a habit...it's a link, right? |
| 13:59.31 | X-Fade | Yes, but still ;) |
| 13:59.35 | RST38h | It is there, but so is 1.6.2. Ok, off to update Downloads page |
| 13:59.53 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, we don't do cleanup at the moment. |
| 13:59.56 | RST38h | uses PICO to write code. What do you expect from him? =) |
| 14:00.43 | RST38h | BTW, as 1.6.3 is available, check it out in full screen mode - it should use /dev/fb0 device now, much faster |
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| 14:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, any progress with Freenode? |
| 14:05.04 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: On what? |
| 14:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | The contact info and cloaks. |
| 14:05.21 | X-Fade | Ah, no. |
| 14:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | is feeling really vain. |
| 14:05.36 | X-Fade | Of course not ;) |
| 14:06.01 | X-Fade | But I guess you council guys should be able to arrange this? :D |
| 14:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | The council's job is delegation, not doing. :P |
| 14:06.43 | X-Fade | Tsk. |
| 14:07.02 | GeneralAntilles | I could poke a staffer or two, though. |
| 14:07.31 | X-Fade | I at least know that the web form is useless. |
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| 14:17.27 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie said the turnaround for them was 2 weeks. |
| 14:17.49 | X-Fade | Hmm, then mine was probably lost ;) |
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| 14:20.01 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, how long ago did you file the form? |
| 14:20.21 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: 2 months ago at least? |
| 14:21.13 | X-Fade | The contact form for a channel. |
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| 14:21.42 | GeneralAntilles | I'm poking #freenode. |
| 14:26.38 | Palintheus | fwiw I've seen people in there asking when their form was 6+ mos old |
| 14:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | Then whose palm did crashanddie grease. . . . |
| 14:29.11 | Palintheus | I think it's a matter of constantly asking/bugging which ever staffer you can get |
| 14:30.16 | StsN800 | what form? (i know a staffer) |
| 14:30.39 | GeneralAntilles | The group contact form. (as do I) |
| 14:30.48 | StsN800 | ah |
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| 14:46.16 | andrewfblack | I found a new Web Based strategy game I can't quit playing. Its designed for the iphone |
| 14:46.33 | RST38h | X-Fade: btw, Slide Rule for some reason does not show in the list of my apps in the Profile |
| 14:46.58 | RST38h | X-Fade: First thought that it was a matter of time, but it does look stuck now |
| 14:47.10 | andrewfblack | RST38h: I don't think profiles are updating garage projects right now |
| 14:47.16 | X-Fade | RST38h: There is a limit on items in the box. I still need to remove that. |
| 14:47.28 | RST38h | oh |
| 14:47.55 | RST38h | But I looked at the HTML and it is not there either |
| 14:48.35 | RST38h | And the project page (https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/sliderule/) does not show the author name too |
| 14:49.06 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ah, that is an other problem. Page -> edit metadata.. |
| 14:49.15 | X-Fade | Add yourself as author there. |
| 14:49.16 | RST38h | ok... |
| 14:49.19 | RST38h | heh |
| 14:50.40 | RST38h | says "no results" |
| 14:51.46 | X-Fade | enter your full last name or full nick |
| 14:52.05 | RST38h | Yea, last name only - worked |
| 14:52.11 | X-Fade | It doesn't do part search. |
| 14:52.19 | RST38h | neither full name nor nick worked though |
| 14:53.17 | lardman | How fast is Python compared to C? |
| 14:53.26 | mgedmin | not very |
| 14:53.34 | lardman | :) |
| 14:53.37 | lardman | thought so |
| 14:53.39 | mgedmin | unless you're measuring develpoment speed, as opposed to runtime speed |
| 14:53.49 | lardman | yeah, always a trade-off |
| 14:54.04 | lardman | just looking at OSM data rendering and routing, seems to be lots of Python projects around |
| 14:54.16 | mgedmin | python is a very nice language |
| 14:54.46 | mgedmin | but I wouldn't advise writing massively parallel physics simulations in it |
| 14:55.25 | lardman | no, I can understand that |
| 14:55.39 | RST38h | audio decoders also apply |
| 14:55.58 | lardman | I suppose that access times to MySQL databases are pretty slow, so Python may not be a large hinderance |
| 14:56.12 | RST38h | for database stuff it is fine |
| 14:56.12 | lardman | RST38h: Damn, I was hoping to move over ;) |
| 14:56.25 | RST38h | figured that much =) |
| 14:56.39 | lardman | slow compared to Python vs C execution time I meant |
| 14:57.17 | lardman | though that's not really valid thinking |
| 14:57.55 | mgedmin | one guy wrote a VoIP implementation in Python |
| 14:58.10 | lardman | with some hw assist/external C libs I presume? |
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| 14:58.20 | RST38h | There are people who wrote Spectrum and NES emulators in Java |
| 14:58.30 | mgedmin | there was a subroutine for audio mixing in the standard library, apparently |
| 14:58.47 | Mek | there are people who wrote x86 dos emulators in Java :) |
| 14:58.57 | lardman | ok, well I may have a crack at pulling something together from the Python code, should be reasonably quick to code at least |
| 15:00.34 | RST38h | mgdemin: btw, how did he do the encoding? surely there is no audio codec stuff in pythonstandard libs? |
| 15:00.48 | RST38h | Mek: eek. |
| 15:01.23 | lardman | Mek: I guess that's a way of stopping DOS programs from running too quickly on our otherwise fast processors ;) |
| 15:01.49 | Mek | :) |
| 15:02.14 | mgedmin | RST38h: don't remember; check out http://divmod.org/trac/wiki/ShtoomProject |
| 15:02.24 | RST38h | ! |
| 15:03.14 | lardman | native PortAudio |
| 15:04.47 | RST38h | Uses the G711 ULAW codec by default, or GSM 06.10 (with additional pygsm module installed). |
| 15:05.17 | RST38h | At the moment G711 ULAW (aka PCMU) is supported with the standard Python audioop module. If you install Itamar Shtull-Trauring's pygsm module (available from shtoom CVS as module 'pygsm', or from the 'Files' section of the shtoom website), it will also handle GSM 06.10. |
| 15:07.43 | lardman | pygsm wraps libgsm |
| 15:08.00 | lardman | so anyway, yep eventually the heavy lifting is done in C (or asm ;) |
| 15:08.16 | RST38h | G711 may still be written in python though... |
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| 15:10.28 | derf | lardman: Is there a basic library for just doing an FFT on the DSP already? |
| 15:10.34 | lardman | derf: yes |
| 15:10.43 | derf | Link? |
| 15:10.55 | lardman | hang on a tick |
| 15:11.31 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/linux_summit.odp |
| 15:11.35 | lardman | should give you the spru number |
| 15:11.41 | derf | Thanks. |
| 15:12.29 | lardman | probably this one (I can't read OO files in the office): http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru422i/spru422i.pdf |
| 15:13.17 | Italodance | hi johnx |
| 15:13.34 | johnx | hi Italodance. did you get it fixed? |
| 15:14.27 | lardman | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru037c/spru037c.pdf is also worth a look |
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| 15:16.13 | derf | Actually this is for audio. |
| 15:16.49 | derf | Looking at a CELT port... if I can offload the FFT used for the pitch search, encode+decode should fit comfortably in real time (they're just barely real time now). |
| 15:20.00 | GeneralAntilles | How'd the website redesign discussion go at the Summit, btw? |
| 15:22.04 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: 30 mins was way to short ;) |
| 15:22.17 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 15:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | I like Bundyo's general design. |
| 15:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | If we drop most of the js garbage. |
| 15:22.34 | X-Fade | I do too, although I dislike green ;) |
| 15:23.05 | X-Fade | But Quim has asked the indt designers to make a design too. |
| 15:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 15:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | was trying to get some sort of traction on that a month ago. . . . |
| 15:24.32 | X-Fade | Although I think that reorg of the pages is more important than redesign of the style. |
| 15:24.45 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 15:24.48 | X-Fade | Restructuring vs redesign. |
| 15:25.20 | crashanddie | Ok |
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| 15:25.31 | crashanddie | so without any proof of purchase, I can't send my NIT into repair |
| 15:25.37 | X-Fade | Hmm lame, my blog post didn't get posted yesterday. Well, better late then never ;) |
| 15:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | wtf? |
| 15:25.45 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Well, that is no news? |
| 15:26.08 | X-Fade | crashanddie: You always need to provide that. |
| 15:26.29 | lardman | derf: I'm happy to help |
| 15:26.37 | crashanddie | Nokia told me to contact a company, which I did, 20 quid initial costs, and then they will advise me of what's happening next. But it'll probably be around a hundred quid total |
| 15:27.33 | crashanddie | I went into a phone repair shop, and they told me just opening it up and seeing what's wrong was 15 quid, and then extra on what they'll have to do |
| 15:27.36 | lardman | X-Fade: same here (30min too short), though everyone may have fallen asleep if my slot had been longer - Florian for example ;) |
| 15:27.43 | derf | lardman: Just looking for now. |
| 15:27.49 | crashanddie | So I just asked them to get me a screwdriver set for the NIT, and I'll do it myself |
| 15:27.56 | X-Fade | lardman: Check my blog post on planet ;) |
| 15:28.05 | Italodance | johnx |
| 15:28.12 | derf | I also assume you haven't looked at any of the QR code stuff yet. |
| 15:28.12 | Italodance | not yet i show u now |
| 15:28.26 | johnx | Italodance, ok. show me |
| 15:28.32 | florian | lardman: heh, well... noone blames you for the free beer the evening before ;) |
| 15:28.32 | crashanddie | X-Fade, yeah, but it's still bollocks |
| 15:28.49 | lardman | florian: :) |
| 15:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | I don't get the proof of purchase requirement. |
| 15:29.02 | X-Fade | crashanddie: No? Warranty isn't transferable? |
| 15:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | ^ retarded |
| 15:29.13 | crashanddie | still bollocks anyway |
| 15:29.55 | X-Fade | Well, I don't think storing a receipt is a big deal, really. |
| 15:30.02 | Italodance | johnx http://i34.tinypic.com/dz8j03.png |
| 15:30.13 | Italodance | johnx it just added others??? |
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| 15:30.24 | lardman | X-Fade: lol, thanks; am expanding it into a decent document to fill in the gaps and replace the current wiki page |
| 15:30.24 | Italodance | without overwrite |
| 15:30.52 | X-Fade | lardman: I was sitting there with Quim and we were just blown away ;) |
| 15:31.08 | Italodance | johnx maybe i need to active obe of these news |
| 15:31.13 | Italodance | one... |
| 15:32.03 | lardman | derf: what code base are you working from? Git, or 0.4.0? |
| 15:33.03 | johnx | Italodance, I really don't know what's wrong. sorry. |
| 15:33.26 | Italodance | :( |
| 15:33.57 | derf | lardman: Git. |
| 15:35.59 | lardman | derf: I;'ve got to go now, but have grabbed the 0.4.0 tarball, you're talking about the pitch.c file? |
| 15:37.07 | derf | Yeah. |
| 15:37.17 | crashanddie | X-Fade, I still have the receipt, everything |
| 15:37.26 | crashanddie | X-Fade, it's just about 1500km away |
| 15:37.35 | lardman | ok, I'll take a look - broadband probably not working at home so I'll catch you tomorrow |
| 15:37.35 | derf | Basically the real16_fft_inplace call. |
| 15:37.40 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Aw :( |
| 15:37.42 | crashanddie | X-Fade, and I'm not about to go and take a plane/train to get to my storage room |
| 15:38.03 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Where did you buy it? nokia online shop? |
| 15:38.09 | lardman | derf: and the inverse? What data lengths are we talking about here? |
| 15:38.10 | derf | (and real16_iffft) |
| 15:38.11 | crashanddie | Nha, eBay |
| 15:38.17 | derf | lardman: 1024 or so. |
| 15:38.25 | lardman | ok, so worthwhile then |
| 15:38.27 | derf | Gah, that's a lot of f's. |
| 15:38.32 | lardman | :) |
| 15:38.48 | derf | lardman: I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to just break that out, or to move the whole thing to the DSP. |
| 15:39.03 | lardman | derf: yep |
| 15:39.24 | derf | It should compile and run on a C55x. |
| 15:39.26 | lardman | derf: probably easiest to move a little bit at time (/me thinks of Tremor :S ) |
| 15:39.40 | lardman | derf: no 8bit data accesses? |
| 15:39.44 | derf | Well, in theory someone has already ported it. |
| 15:39.47 | derf | lardman: I know! |
| 15:40.12 | crashanddie | X-Fade, ebay, sadly |
| 15:40.16 | lardman | who's ported it? |
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