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| 00:06.41 | lcuk | rm |
| 00:06.46 | lcuk | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 00:07.44 | lcuk | rm_you |
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| 00:21.54 | rm_you | lcuk: |
| 00:22.22 | rm_you | just got back, had to pack |
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| 00:28.25 | lcuk | rm_you did khertan return and did jott shke his hand for me |
| 00:28.41 | lcuk | i was really upset i could not find him |
| 00:29.06 | lcuk | reads emails |
| 00:29.12 | timeless | hi lcuk :( |
| 00:30.14 | ccooke | wonders: Was there any suggestion they're going to remove the keyboard from the next model? Or are they not even releasing that sort of detail yet? |
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| 00:31.13 | rm_you | timeless: :) |
| 00:31.21 | rm_you | lcuk: no idea |
| 00:32.31 | lcuk | hi timeless i think i just replied to yours |
| 00:32.38 | timeless | i think there was a suggestion that we don't release such info as it'd only help our competitors |
| 00:32.43 | lcuk | ups his word count |
| 00:33.23 | lcuk | why remove kb? |
| 00:34.04 | timeless | thinks we should remove the battery, it's heavy :) |
| 00:34.16 | lcuk | crashanddie - jott ddi stats on his logs and i have a wordcount of 250000 since january |
| 00:34.18 | ccooke | timeless: Was that in reply to me? (sorry, it's been a long day here!) |
| 00:34.29 | timeless | yes |
| 00:34.36 | ccooke | ah, right. Thanks, then :-) |
| 00:34.37 | lcuk | i am the blabbermouth |
| 00:34.48 | crashanddie | lcuk, you should be endorsed by IBM |
| 00:34.54 | rm_you | http://outpo.st/irc/ |
| 00:35.07 | timeless | lcuk: i don't understand. I installed libXv |
| 00:35.57 | lcuk | after we left the party i was speaking to marius about getting irc stats support proper with his bot |
| 00:37.07 | lcuk | timeless, im not sure, but if its saying no adapters i tend to believe it, i cant look now, but it could simply be not having the specific format required |
| 00:37.11 | crashanddie | lcuk, there's this awesome song, one of the few french songs I really like |
| 00:37.16 | lcuk | i will find out for you |
| 00:37.23 | timeless | aliasing is a feature to consider. The irc.mozilla.org stats include it. Although perhaps losing the distinction between timelyx and timeless would be a bad thing... |
| 00:37.29 | crashanddie | lcuk, artist: "La rue kétanou", title: "tu parles trop" |
| 00:37.36 | crashanddie | translation: "you talk too much" :D |
| 00:37.45 | lcuk | i cant check now, send me mp3 |
| 00:37.52 | lcuk | hehe |
| 00:37.54 | crashanddie | I don't do mp3 |
| 00:38.02 | crashanddie | I'll send you a deezer link |
| 00:38.06 | timeless | wav! |
| 00:38.19 | lcuk | 1/4 of a million words! |
| 00:38.23 | crashanddie | The only .wav stuff I have I'm not allowed to give away |
| 00:38.32 | crashanddie | (about 20gig) |
| 00:39.04 | lcuk | im not a joe on the street though :P |
| 00:39.13 | lcuk | stream it |
| 00:39.24 | lcuk | ill borrow it lol |
| 00:39.33 | crashanddie | Sorry |
| 00:39.44 | gregorovius | are there videos of the summit available? |
| 00:39.58 | timeless | vaguely wonders what an adapter is |
| 00:40.05 | lcuk | timeless, did my liqbase demo work then - did i do the right thingsÃ
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| 00:40.11 | crashanddie | I'm not bitchy about a lot of things, but music piracy is one of the very few topics that really tickles the wrong spot :P |
| 00:40.20 | timeless | fwiw, i had to install libXv myself w/ apt-get.. |
| 00:40.52 | crashanddie | s/I'm not/I know I'm extremely/ |
| 00:40.54 | lcuk | lol when i get back inffront of my real system i will check for you |
| 00:41.20 | lcuk | crash, but an advert is a good thing |
| 00:42.01 | lcuk | carries on reading emails |
| 00:42.11 | n800m | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TpVD7sZUbY |
| 00:42.19 | elekt | funny song |
| 00:46.28 | crashanddie | lcuk, oh, and btw, while we're on the good news topic |
| 00:47.18 | crashanddie | lcuk, I was told I was the preferred candidate (even after the internal candidates), they're doing a background check on me and my CV, and I have an 80-90% chance of getting the job |
| 00:47.36 | lcuk | nice |
| 00:47.47 | lcuk | thats the spirit |
| 00:48.24 | lcuk | bullshit my nokia craps out with flaxh |
| 00:49.17 | crashanddie | ouch |
| 00:49.54 | lcuk | its working ok now, im surprised by how well my demo looks |
| 00:50.04 | lcuk | but how dated it is as well |
| 00:50.16 | lcuk | and the focus is not right |
| 00:51.11 | lcuk | the 6 browesr windows ive got open are not doing much but theyoutube tab is killing i |
| 00:51.21 | ccooke | Hmm. Is there any place where a list of necessary work exists in maemo (or the community at large)? I'm looking for a useful timesink for the next few evenings. |
| 00:51.59 | ccooke | lcuk: I have a vague feeling from my own use that six windows hits some resource limitations |
| 00:52.42 | lcuk | nahh its fine - at least it was until i started viewing live youtube |
| 00:53.02 | elekt | 6 windows? |
| 00:53.03 | lcuk | but its fine again and i have now 8 tabs |
| 00:53.11 | elekt | whoa, tabs? |
| 00:53.15 | ccooke | lcuk: swap space enabled? |
| 00:53.19 | lcuk | yer |
| 00:53.23 | lcuk | must be |
| 00:53.34 | ccooke | lcuk: so, you probably just swapped a load of stuff out. |
| 00:53.42 | ccooke | swapping is *slow* on the flash :-) |
| 00:53.44 | lcuk | it wasnt my tasblet until recently,... |
| 00:54.13 | ccooke | lcuk: oh? |
| 00:54.19 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:54.48 | lcuk | heh, it could be a custom one, im fecked if i know |
| 00:55.01 | ccooke | lcuk: how come? |
| 00:55.07 | lcuk | how do i find out the specs/revision |
| 00:55.25 | ccooke | There's an about dialog... |
| 00:55.35 | lcuk | cos i have worn out my current touchscreen |
| 00:55.41 | lcuk | wherw |
| 00:55.54 | lcuk | -w e |
| 00:56.08 | ccooke | In the control panel, top left. About Product. |
| 00:56.25 | lcuk | k |
| 00:56.32 | ccooke | of course, that's only model name and firmware release |
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| 00:56.56 | lcuk | heh |
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| 00:57.10 | lcuk | i think its a standard model |
| 00:57.54 | ccooke | What made you think it might not be? |
| 00:58.23 | lcuk | cos it was commondeered from a nokia guy this afternoon :) |
| 00:59.11 | ccooke | *laugh* |
| 00:59.13 | ccooke | nice! |
| 00:59.27 | lcuk | crash did you see the latest version of liqbase i sent you |
| 00:59.51 | lcuk | ccooke, yes i worked hard for ti :) |
| 00:59.57 | ccooke | lcuk: I take it you were presenting something? (sorry, I'm pretty tangential in this community!) |
| 00:59.59 | rm_you | gah sleep... waking in 2.5 hours .... |
| 01:00.51 | lcuk | rm_you, have a safe trip home, i really enjoyed meeting you and i will see you again soon i hope |
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| 01:01.01 | rm_you | :P |
| 01:01.24 | rm_you | yeah, same :) ttyl |
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| 01:02.28 | lcuk | ccooke, we have just finished the 1st maemo summit and we have met about 200 of the best minds in the world |
| 01:03.19 | ccooke | lcuk: Yeah, heard about it on Thursday. I was very tempted to jump on a plane Friday morning :-) |
| 01:03.25 | lcuk | i am rather drunk in a berlin hotel room feeling quite good |
| 01:03.37 | ccooke | grins |
| 01:03.39 | lcuk | you shouldv |
| 01:04.03 | lcuk | there was so much happening |
| 01:04.10 | ccooke | it sounds like a lot of fun |
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| 01:05.05 | ccooke | Maybe next time I'll have actually contributed something, so I'll feel justified in going ;-) |
| 01:05.18 | lcuk | it was based in a place called c-base which is an alienspaceship from the future or something, thehosts gave us such a warm welcome adn made the experience really pleasant |
| 01:05.52 | ccooke | Nice... |
| 01:05.59 | ccooke | 200 people, you say? |
| 01:06.05 | ccooke | not bad for a first year! |
| 01:06.16 | lcuk | yer it was an amazing time |
| 01:06.49 | lcuk | maemo has been alive since 2005 or 6 i think |
| 01:06.56 | lcuk | the 770 (8%(3@ 85 9## |
| 01:07.30 | ccooke | yeah. I remember it coming out. The n810 is the first device that fit for me, though. I can't work without a keyboard |
| 01:08.05 | ccooke | The n810 is, however, the most successful PDA-style device I've owned, going back a decade. |
| 01:08.46 | ccooke | (successful in a personal sense: I spend more time using it and use its capabilities to a greater extent than any previous device) |
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| 01:37.15 | Jaredu | hey guys wassap |
| 01:38.23 | evaryont | Jaredu: don't think you know of an app for n8x0 for flickr? |
| 01:38.52 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 01:38.52 | Jaredu | good question |
| 01:38.55 | Jaredu | have you tried maemo.org? |
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| 01:41.21 | Jaredu | ehh? |
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| 01:48.44 | evaryont | ah. sorry |
| 01:48.57 | evaryont | Jaredu: I have, but nothing turned up (it seemed) |
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| 02:06.03 | crashanddie | ~help |
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| 06:14.28 | summatusmentis | I have not been paying attention, have there been more announcements wrt n900 and maemo 5? |
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| 06:19.38 | Stskeeps | has not really heard anything interesting since friday |
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| 06:20.54 | summatusmentis | and friday was minor spec announcments, and maemo 5 announcement? |
| 06:22.19 | lcuk | i dont think anything conrete redally got announced, was mainly about user apps and dev and community from the stuff i saw |
| 06:22.37 | lcuk | really * |
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| 06:23.23 | lcuk | mightv just missed it by smokin tho |
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| 06:26.52 | lcuk | hmm how do i gainroot, whats the package name |
| 06:27.20 | summatusmentis | lcuk: I thought they announced base specs for the next tablet revision |
| 06:27.43 | lcuk | yer that was before friday tho wasnt it |
| 06:28.04 | lcuk | at osim |
| 06:28.27 | lcuk | is nursing a sore head |
| 06:28.39 | lcuk | and increasing his word count |
| 06:28.52 | Stskeeps | lcuk: rootsh? |
| 06:29.09 | lcuk | ill look |
| 06:29.41 | summatusmentis | so I downloaded the Android SDK, I'm kind of excited |
| 06:31.05 | lcuk | sts excellent thanks, im sat eating breakfast and internet searchin on this device is not simple |
| 06:48.53 | lcuk | needs irc in liqbase |
| 06:49.49 | summatusmentis | is there new functionality in liqbase? |
| 06:50.08 | lcuk | i dunno what you considr new |
| 06:50.28 | lcuk | there should be a package in a week or so |
| 06:50.33 | summatusmentis | ooh |
| 06:50.37 | lcuk | the sketching has tools |
| 06:50.49 | summatusmentis | newest thing I've got a is a playtest |
| 06:50.51 | lcuk | theres a camera module play thing |
| 06:51.15 | lcuk | a berlin metro map :D |
| 06:51.30 | summatusmentis | berlin metro map doesn't help me in rural MN :) |
| 06:51.31 | lcuk | graffiti now allows reediting |
| 06:51.39 | summatusmentis | oh, that's cool |
| 06:51.39 | lcuk | move to berlin |
| 06:51.45 | summatusmentis | you've been busy |
| 06:51.48 | summatusmentis | that'd be hard to do |
| 06:52.01 | lcuk | whats hard? |
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| 06:52.10 | summatusmentis | moving to berlin |
| 06:52.25 | lcuk | now really, build a maemo spaceship |
| 06:52.36 | summatusmentis | I'll get on that :) |
| 06:52.43 | lcuk | if you need plans cntact c-base |
| 06:53.25 | lcuk | should i have a controvercial 4th cup of coffee for breakfast? |
| 06:53.35 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 06:53.43 | lcuk | excellent |
| 06:53.47 | summatusmentis | L) |
| 06:53.51 | summatusmentis | :) ** |
| 06:54.58 | lcuk | damn the woman infrnt has broken the machine |
| 06:55.06 | summatusmentis | oh lame |
| 06:55.12 | lcuk | very |
| 06:55.56 | lcuk | the hotel woman will sortit, the user interface makes it easy for user to crash it |
| 06:56.15 | jaska | microsoft coffee |
| 06:56.17 | lcuk | she pressed everybtton multiple times |
| 06:56.20 | lcuk | lol |
| 06:56.31 | summatusmentis | haha |
| 06:57.25 | lcuk | she got half a cup of hot water out of the opposite spout |
| 06:57.36 | jaska | press button, receive fail |
| 06:57.50 | lcuk | i prefer bacon |
| 06:57.55 | jaska | me too |
| 06:58.04 | lcuk | liqbase includes bacon |
| 06:58.28 | jaska | slightly offtopic but someone should make a real bacon vending machine |
| 06:58.57 | lcuk | the bast bacon thing i know is the bacon alarmclock |
| 06:59.10 | lcuk | you wake p to cooked rasher and smell |
| 06:59.27 | lcuk | (serious product) |
| 06:59.53 | lcuk | tries for more coffee |
| 07:05.30 | RST38h | lcuk |
| 07:05.44 | lcuk | does anyone have a link to jotts stats, yer rst |
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| 07:06.24 | RST38h | moo qwerty |
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| 07:06.38 | qwerty12 | hey RST38h |
| 07:06.42 | lcuk | ive not tried doin irc on the move before |
| 07:06.52 | lcuk | hi qwerty |
| 07:06.57 | qwerty12 | Didn't realise I was connected lol, ndiswrapper pissing me around |
| 07:07.00 | RST38h | lcuk: Just think of how many little pink piglets you have devoured by now! |
| 07:07.01 | qwerty12 | hi lcuk |
| 07:07.08 | lcuk | heh |
| 07:07.15 | RST38h | lcuk: May their horrified oinking haunt your dreams! =) |
| 07:07.41 | lcuk | just think of how many cows you have left voiceless by stealing their mooo |
| 07:07.49 | RST38h | moo. |
| 07:08.36 | lcuk | adds an icon to liqbase on new 810 |
| 07:09.27 | lcuk | i was sat on the metro last night wapping memory cardd |
| 07:09.33 | summatusmentis | new n810? |
| 07:09.37 | lcuk | ppl gave me funny looks |
| 07:09.40 | lcuk | yer |
| 07:10.09 | lcuk | ive worn the screen out on old one |
| 07:10.15 | RST38h | wow |
| 07:10.30 | RST38h | that's what development on the tablet does to it =) |
| 07:10.45 | lcuk | yer its responsiveness was going in the area i stoke too much |
| 07:10.55 | lcuk | i couldnt use finger |
| 07:11.03 | lcuk | this one is much better |
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| 07:11.40 | lcuk | it still worked with stylus, but was deffo not as sensitive |
| 07:12.06 | lcuk | ive just realised how my workcount is so high |
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| 07:14.30 | lcuk | can someone check scrollback and find jotts irc stats page please |
| 07:16.46 | acydlord | i dont have that far back sadly |
| 07:17.02 | jaska | hmm? |
| 07:17.17 | acydlord | which reminds me my logs arent on |
| 07:17.21 | qwerty12 | lcuk: http://outpo.st/irc/ |
| 07:17.31 | lcuk | nice thx qwerty |
| 07:18.02 | qwerty12 | np |
| 07:18.11 | qwerty12 | (anything to get my |
| 07:18.15 | qwerty12 | line count up) :P |
| 07:18.32 | Proteous | lol |
| 07:18.44 | lcuk | i was speaking to marius lastnight and pushed him to add live versions of these for povbot |
| 07:18.48 | Proteous | or should I say |
| 07:18.49 | Proteous | l |
| 07:18.50 | Proteous | o |
| 07:18.50 | Proteous | l |
| 07:18.53 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 07:19.03 | qwerty12 | lcuk: that would be cool |
| 07:19.11 | lcuk | the scariest part is my wordcount |
| 07:19.21 | Proteous | you are a wordy fuck |
| 07:19.31 | lcuk | yes it would be, it should be included in karma |
| 07:19.48 | Proteous | never use one word where 3 words would be just as good |
| 07:19.50 | lcuk | yer but i didnt know it was that much |
| 07:20.08 | lcuk | and i still managed to code up liqbase |
| 07:20.09 | qwerty12 | "Is gribouille stupid or just asking too many questions? 53.3% lines contained a question! " lol |
| 07:20.31 | Proteous | or should I say never use only one word in a short phrase when you could extend the phrase out to multiple words, maybe even three or more |
| 07:20.45 | qwerty12 | WHAT! |
| 07:20.47 | qwerty12 | "jason__ has quite a potty mouth. 1.7% words were foul language. " |
| 07:20.52 | qwerty12 | That title should have gone to me |
| 07:20.55 | Proteous | heh |
| 07:20.57 | lcuk | lol |
| 07:21.10 | lcuk | battery low, brb gonna switch |
| 07:21.23 | lcuk | crap its upstairs |
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| 07:21.40 | lcuk | i left ireless on lastnight |
| 07:21.42 | lcuk | w |
| 07:21.59 | qwerty12 | I swear I get headaches when I leave the wireless on and go to sleep >.< |
| 07:22.12 | ccooke | lcuk: that shouldn't drain the power much... |
| 07:22.48 | lcuk | it waws not fully charged any way |
| 07:23.00 | lcuk | and thats normal from my home experience |
| 07:23.35 | Proteous | I get a headache when I drink too much, but I don't let that stop me |
| 07:24.13 | qwerty12 | Hehe, but I have no reason to leave it on though as well |
| 07:24.26 | lcuk | well i drunk lastnight and collapsed on bed :) ive had a great few days |
| 07:25.19 | qwerty12 | For educational purposes, how is Germany on their drug laws? |
| 07:25.22 | lcuk | if i have charger in i should be able to switch battery without powering down |
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| 07:25.29 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 07:25.47 | qwerty12 | I'll go there someday and find out :P |
| 07:26.07 | lcuk | when your mum lets you |
| 07:26.26 | Proteous | don't bring his mum into this |
| 07:26.50 | ccooke | finally gets around to googling liqbase. Looks wonderful... |
| 07:26.55 | qwerty12 | For now I have to resist the urge of strangling fprobe and libpcap |
| 07:27.52 | RST38h | please do |
| 07:27.55 | RST38h | and make a video! |
| 07:28.11 | lcuk | ccooke you are not the only one to think that |
| 07:28.14 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 07:28.31 | ccooke | lcuk: *grin* |
| 07:28.40 | qwerty12 | lcuk: I'm still waiting for the version that does the washing up |
| 07:28.40 | lcuk | i best get packed up im leaving berlin today and im sad to go |
| 07:28.56 | lcuk | heh this one has bacon |
| 07:29.02 | ccooke | lcuk: by the way, are you from Bradford? |
| 07:29.12 | lcuk | no |
| 07:29.27 | lcuk | shit ive got so much to pack |
| 07:29.28 | ccooke | heh. Your accennt is pretty close :-) |
| 07:29.32 | lcuk | i need a maid |
| 07:29.50 | qwerty12 | is proud to say my Yorkshire accent has dropped dramatically due to living in London |
| 07:30.38 | lcuk | proximity to southerners does that |
| 07:30.38 | RST38h | btw gentlemen, I found what browserd is doing while hanging |
| 07:30.45 | lcuk | hanging tough? |
| 07:31.02 | RST38h | gettimeofday(). lots of it. |
| 07:31.26 | lcuk | im gonna go, bbl |
| 07:31.43 | ccooke | qwerty12: heh. Mine was never very strong, and moving about the South the last ten years has pretty much got buried it |
| 07:32.45 | ccooke | RST38h: gah. |
| 07:33.06 | ccooke | RST38h: gettimeofday() is the current bane of my existance |
| 07:33.51 | qwerty12 | ccooke: heh, for me, people can tell that I'm not from London but I don't speak with a London accent either so I'm pretty confused :P |
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| 07:34.36 | qwerty12 | waits for https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm to open |
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| 07:35.44 | ccooke | qwerty12: I just confuse people. My mum was Welsh, my Dad from Derbyshire, Both of them lost their accents mostly and I grew up near Bradford. Strange mix, but I'm told it's still a bit Northern :-) |
| 07:36.24 | qwerty12 | lol :) |
| 07:38.25 | ccooke | by the way, would anyone (else) here be interested in an entirely offline RSS reader? |
| 07:39.01 | Proteous | only if it can download my feeds without needing a connection |
| 07:39.07 | Proteous | magicly |
| 07:39.13 | ccooke | Proteous: heh. |
| 07:39.39 | ccooke | Proteous: mine is server based. The server updates the tablet via rsync. |
| 07:39.52 | StsN800 | i would, atleast one that doesn't require me to click DEFAULT connection all the time |
| 07:40.25 | liri | ccooke: definitely would but it would have to be able to handle non-standard rss feeds as well as hebrew :) |
| 07:40.40 | StsN800 | ccooke, i had problems with that due to power saving in wifi conn |
| 07:40.58 | ccooke | liri: my wife is from Israel, and she also has an n810 and RSS habit :-) |
| 07:41.03 | liri | ccooke: I can say that I tried both the default rss reader and liferea and none of them can handle hebrew or the rss feeds I give it (because they are probably not 100% compliant with the standards) |
| 07:41.11 | liri | ccooke: lol, small world eh? :) |
| 07:41.16 | ccooke | *grin* |
| 07:41.29 | liri | ccooke: well then, all the more reasons to have a proper rss reade |
| 07:41.30 | liri | *reader |
| 07:41.37 | StsN800 | so even if tablet is associated it is not always connectable from outside |
| 07:42.16 | ccooke | what I'm actually doing is fetching the rss on a server, parsing the links, then downloading everhthing necessary to view the page |
| 07:43.21 | ccooke | every link is rewritten to go via a CGI script, which checks for a cached copy of the page. if it doesn't find a cache, it redirects to the real website |
| 07:43.31 | liri | ccooke: so you'd require a server for that? |
| 07:43.54 | ccooke | so, you rsync the cache onto the tablet, which runs a tiny httpd |
| 07:43.59 | ccooke | yep |
| 07:44.20 | ccooke | the cache generator builds index pages for each day |
| 07:45.48 | ccooke | thttpd takes upjust under 2 meg of RAM, which is usually swapped out. |
| 07:46.11 | qwerty12 | I like that idea very much, I get annoyed when I see the headline and a bit of text underneath but no internet connection for me to access the site. |
| 07:46.15 | ccooke | the CGI is in shell script, for maximum speed without having anything resident |
| 07:46.33 | liri | uhmm, I don't know, sound a bit of an overkill |
| 07:46.36 | ccooke | qwerty12: that's what always irritates me about rss |
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| 07:46.58 | qwerty12 | Yeah :) |
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| 07:47.25 | ccooke | liri: the basic thing is, you view the rss links exactly as they're supposed to be viewed - on the original site |
| 07:47.30 | qwerty12 | I'm already running an httpd for gstmpjg so I'm not bothered on that front |
| 07:48.15 | ccooke | lirc: as long as you have swap, you'll never see any performance hit with using the server - and even without it'd be tiny |
| 07:48.18 | RST38h | ccooke: do you also call it in a tight loop? =) |
| 07:49.22 | ccooke | you call it from the standard web browser... I mean, it *is* the best tool for html on the device... |
| 07:50.21 | liri | umm |
| 07:51.05 | liri | so you would need to process these links using a program on a desktop linux or something, and then transfer the web pages to the tablet? |
| 07:51.14 | ccooke | yes. |
| 07:52.12 | ccooke | what I need to do is write a pull-style transfer instead of push. |
| 07:52.34 | ccooke | say, have the server make tarballs of the day-to-day changes |
| 07:52.45 | liri | how about this - let's make it a web service rather than a tool? |
| 07:53.22 | ccooke | liri: explain...? |
| 07:53.43 | StsN800 | aren't we a bit over in offline google reader then? |
| 07:54.15 | ccooke | StsN800: I've yet to see that working on a nokia |
| 07:54.44 | ccooke | spent two days trawling every offline reader I could find |
| 07:55.03 | liri | ccooke: I mean let's not make this software oriented but rather web (2.0?) oriented. let's put up a domain (tabletrss.com) where users can register and create their own offline contents from websites/rss's and it would create for them a daily/weekly tar file which is then configured on the tablet to auto-sync with |
| 07:55.09 | ccooke | and none of them actually do what this does anyway, as far as I can tell |
| 07:55.17 | StsN800 | i've seen tools for building rss feed+referred pages atleast |
| 07:55.43 | ccooke | liri: apoh, that. Yes, that was where I'm aiming asking in here. |
| 07:55.53 | StsN800 | the problem is downloading on a schedule from tablets |
| 07:56.10 | ccooke | liri: that's also why I need to get rid of rsync as the update mechanism. |
| 07:56.44 | ccooke | StsN800: cron plus a shell script will do it :-) |
| 07:56.49 | liri | ccooke: I mean, I think a service for these kind of things is more "friendly" than having a person run some scripts on a linux server then worry about rsyncing it.. ahh, that doesn't sound like something I'm going to do daily/weekly just to read news on the tablet |
| 07:57.11 | liri | ccooke: the rsync is not the problem, the work here would be to create such website |
| 07:57.19 | ccooke | not really |
| 07:57.37 | liri | StsN800: I don't think scheduling is an issue, this can be an on-demand retrieval thing |
| 07:58.02 | ccooke | I'm not a frontend coder, but I've built a good few servers and sites... and I have reliable web servers |
| 07:58.14 | liri | ccooke: well I'm no guru at all these web technologies so... to make something professional I'm guessing would take some effort |
| 07:58.29 | liri | ccooke: well then, I'm all up for it, shall we get going then? :) |
| 07:58.43 | ccooke | liri: *grin* |
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| 07:59.54 | liri | ccooke: this idea actually relates very much to my wish to have an update-able recipe manager for the kitchen :) |
| 08:00.11 | ccooke | okay, so. People would be interested in something like this. Good. |
| 08:00.27 | ccooke | liri: that makes sense, yes |
| 08:01.16 | liri | ccooke: well I don't know about "People"... we're just 3 guys here discussing this. I say, summarize this talk and put it on ITT and let's see what others have to say. Let's see if everyone think it's a good idea to have "subscriptions" to rss feeds which are synced for offline viewing |
| 08:01.32 | liri | ccooke: well it makes alot of sense because then the wife can't say "I don't have any idea what to cook!" hehe |
| 08:01.43 | ccooke | I can probably get something that's ugly but functional up and working in the next day or so, actually. Probably manual sync initially, though |
| 08:02.26 | ccooke | by 'people', I really mean 'more than me'. |
| 08:02.42 | liri | heh |
| 08:02.47 | ccooke | I'm bored and looking for something to code |
| 08:03.04 | ccooke | anything will do, so long as it's not wasted effort |
| 08:03.51 | ccooke | and, since I'm a sysadmin, most of what I code is plumbing. Not something you can get people too interested in :-) |
| 08:04.11 | liri | I hear ya pal |
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| 08:05.07 | ccooke | Right. That's a minor challenge set for me - a functional website before I go to the pub this evening :-) |
| 08:05.41 | qwerty12 | has to stifle a laugh seeing the latest spam on itt |
| 08:06.53 | liri | ccooke: if you have the time, put it on ITT, it's interesting to see if other users would have more ideas |
| 08:09.09 | qwerty12 | installed bash-completion on my tablet yesterday. I swear I'm loving not using busybox's ash by the minute |
| 08:09.40 | ccooke | liri: can do. |
| 08:10.13 | ccooke | don't ghink I've ever posted there yet. |
| 08:10.55 | liri | well there's always a first time |
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| 08:11.58 | liri | ccooke: thinking about it more, it could probably be extended to more than just "rss", just like the recipe content... so I think we're onto something here |
| 08:12.38 | ccooke | hmm. what were you thinking of? |
| 08:14.29 | liri | ccooke: well the recipe thing is one idea but I think there is more content than just that that people would want. I can't put my finger on it just yet but I'm sure others would enlighten us |
| 08:16.53 | ccooke | Ah, that's better. Switched from my Nokia to the laptop with a (more) full-sized keyboard! |
| 08:17.24 | qwerty12 | ccooke: Have an N800? :p |
| 08:17.43 | ccooke | n810. |
| 08:17.57 | ccooke | I don't buy devices without a hardware keyboard. |
| 08:18.16 | qwerty12 | Ah, I'm irc'ing with the vkb, I've got pretty used to it |
| 08:18.24 | liri | yeah, the keyboard is not ALL that comfortable on the n810. I replied an email on it a few days ago... it hurt my fingers :) |
| 08:18.55 | qwerty12 | fingers crossed, that nokia release a better keyboard in the N900 (i'm not a fan of the N810 keyboard) |
| 08:19.11 | qwerty12 | Though I can't deny my only "experience" was in the N810 emulator |
| 08:20.37 | ccooke | I've been using the n810 to take notes in work meetings since December |
| 08:20.47 | ccooke | I've ended up surprisingly fast on it. |
| 08:20.59 | RST38h | qwerty: I have already asked Cthulhu to make Nokia built a better directional pad into N9x0 ! =) |
| 08:21.10 | ccooke | RST38h: That would be *good* |
| 08:21.22 | Proteous | a good Dpad and some video accell and we are set |
| 08:21.30 | ccooke | indeed |
| 08:21.31 | RST38h | qwerty: I mean, The Great Green One has heard me about E70 replacement so this request has really good chances too =) |
| 08:21.43 | ccooke | I'm really hoping they don't remove the keyboard :-/ |
| 08:22.02 | Proteous | me tooo |
| 08:22.10 | RST38h | they will remove keyboard, make device of gray plastic and round the corners mylo-style! |
| 08:22.11 | ccooke | That's the only thing that would prevent me from buying the new tablet |
| 08:22.16 | ccooke | RST38h: Nooooo! |
| 08:22.22 | qwerty12 | RST38h: That's great :) |
| 08:23.18 | RST38h | qwerty: There weren't any Applet nutballs around to make a proper sacrifice though |
| 08:23.24 | RST38h | s/Applet/Apple/ |
| 08:23.27 | qwerty12 | But yeah, if the keyboard is gone, then I'm not buying the N900. The rest seems *really* good, I hope they don't let it down with no keyboard. |
| 08:23.28 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 08:24.14 | Proteous | even though the n810 keyboard isn't amazing, it's way better then the OSK of my old 770 |
| 08:24.27 | liri | if the gps takes more than 30 seconds to get a lock, ANYWHERE, then I'm not buying the N800 either :) |
| 08:24.55 | qwerty12 | N800 has a gps?!? :P |
| 08:24.59 | Proteous | no |
| 08:25.04 | liri | is talking about N810 |
| 08:25.12 | StsN800 | ccooke, cron is unreliable due to it not using retu alarm wakeup |
| 08:25.53 | Proteous | not to be confused with crom, who is unreliable because he is a god from the movie conan the barbaian |
| 08:26.26 | ccooke | StsN800: Right. So we use the alarm, then. |
| 08:26.59 | StsN800 | ccooke, just warning about pitfalls:) |
| 08:27.07 | ccooke | StsN800: yep. Thanks :-) |
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| 08:28.43 | ccooke | considering the keyboard on the 810, I'm amazed how much I jse it |
| 08:29.12 | ccooke | although I do still make some mistakes *grin* |
| 08:33.34 | RST38h | does not use n810 kbd much |
| 08:33.49 | RST38h | still mostly using on-screen keyboard |
| 08:34.29 | Stslaptop | i would just love a keyboard where the q is actually a little to the left :P |
| 08:34.36 | Stslaptop | as it's closer to how i normally write |
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| 08:40.34 | ccooke | yes, that would be good |
| 08:40.53 | ccooke | hell, what I *want* is a PDA with a keyboard to match the Psion 5. But I won't *get* it :-) |
| 08:41.58 | Stslaptop | i would be happy with that shapewriter or wtf it was called really |
| 08:42.27 | Stslaptop | for on screen keyboard |
| 08:42.48 | Stslaptop | someone should really make an input method that acts like that (yes, i'm aware of patent problems) |
| 08:43.03 | Stslaptop | but then again that would be a software patent :P |
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| 08:57.31 | Stslap | wonders why this train sounds like one of the wheels is cracked |
| 09:08.53 | t_s_o | i could have sworn there are previous systems that work like shapewiter, and therefor it cant be patented, or something like that... |
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| 09:15.15 | liri | I wish there would've been a suite of google apps synchronization (contacts, calendar, notebooks, docs, etc) |
| 09:19.55 | Stslap | t_s_o: i've seen it before too somewhere though, but that might have been IBM too |
| 09:20.06 | Stslap | but it's definately not a T9 idea |
| 09:21.48 | t_s_o | http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/09/swype-demos-at.html <- seems there is more then one implementation of the same idea floating around. hard to tell what came first tho |
| 09:22.06 | Stslap | shapewriter was first afaik |
| 09:23.07 | t_s_o | under the name of shark by the looks of it? |
| 09:23.12 | Stslap | yeah |
| 09:24.27 | t_s_o | no wonder i hate sortware patents... |
| 09:26.23 | aspect | http://www.henricodolfing.com/2008/09/gesture-based-data-entry-war.html |
| 09:26.23 | Stslap | there's probably some way around it |
| 09:26.34 | aspect | apparently all three have patents |
| 09:26.40 | Stslap | neat |
| 09:26.59 | aspect | yeah the USPTO is crazy clever |
| 09:26.59 | t_s_o | may we live in interesting times... |
| 09:27.00 | Stslap | and it just harms innovation really |
| 09:27.30 | Stslap | i'd rather see the tablet use get increased, giving strength to hw producers |
| 09:27.31 | aspect | if I were patient enough I'd read all their claims just to point out how similar they are |
| 09:27.41 | Stslap | and cheaper prices |
| 09:27.41 | Stslap | than a bloody patent war |
| 09:28.15 | aspect | oh, there's an easy way to avoid seeing a patent war |
| 09:28.19 | aspect | stick your head in the sand |
| 09:28.42 | t_s_o | the way i see its (and i have a similar issue with copyright) is that the timeframe for a patent is set based on the development time of a physical system. software on the other hand, can come into existence and vanish again in just a year, but a software patent will outlast that at least x10... |
| 09:28.46 | Stslap | i think i could personally in .dk avoid the US patent obviously, but distributing to US people .debs would be problematic |
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| 09:31.56 | Stslap | i would actually pay for shapewriter as a HIM |
| 09:32.13 | Stslap | (it exists for android, linux, mac already) |
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| 09:44.43 | Stslap | http://pokristensson.com/pubs/KristenssonZhaiUIST2004.pdf <- kinda odd it doesn't say patent pending or anything |
| 09:44.48 | Stslap | so i guess it would be okay implementing from |
| 10:04.14 | blafasel | Morning |
| 10:04.29 | jott | hey folks |
| 10:04.57 | jott | Stslap: just because it's not mentioned it does not mean there isn't a bunch of us patents.. |
| 10:05.40 | jott | Stslap: http://tinyurl.com/3khr95 |
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| 10:07.52 | jott | Stslap: http://tinyurl.com/3pnb3g |
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| 10:08.07 | jott | wooo cat attack? |
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| 10:08.50 | towo | Arr, this is one of those channels where I don't have channel operator right.s |
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| 10:08.53 | jott | qQQQzAZ: move your cat :) |
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| 10:15.25 | t_s_o | jott: i dont recall ever seeing a cat make such uniform inputs... |
| 10:15.47 | yacoob | he just needed to lie down on the keyboard |
| 10:15.52 | woglinde | hi |
| 10:16.06 | t_s_o | yacoob: maybe so, but i would have expected more keys to be pressed then... |
| 10:16.07 | jott | hello |
| 10:16.13 | woglinde | hi jott |
| 10:16.21 | woglinde | jott the keymap trick worked |
| 10:16.22 | jott | t_s_o: na, cats like to type "z" |
| 10:16.26 | woglinde | for nxagent |
| 10:16.27 | jott | ah nice. |
| 10:16.27 | aspect | funny; this cat only needs to lie on the keyboard while I'm using it |
| 10:16.34 | towo | lolcatz. |
| 10:16.58 | t_s_o | ok, now i want a cheeseburger... |
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| 10:19.06 | qQQQzAZ | ermmm |
| 10:19.07 | jott | the patent lawyer already must have taken stslap :D |
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| 10:19.46 | jott | lpotter: so was it a cat, child or what? :) |
| 10:19.51 | t_s_o | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/17/funny-pictures-srry-but/ <- nokia bug fixer at work? |
| 10:19.54 | jott | solve the mystery |
| 10:23.43 | lpotter | cat.. and kid :) sorry |
| 10:24.15 | t_s_o | heh, must have been one hell of a sight |
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| 10:45.37 | Stskeeps | jott: nah, train disconnect :> |
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| 10:46.21 | Stskeeps | 'lo aladds_ |
| 10:46.25 | aladds_ | hey |
| 10:46.30 | aladds_ | ah crap |
| 10:46.59 | Stskeeps | aladds: could you ls -lR /lib/dsp for me at some point? (from os2006) |
| 10:47.08 | aladds | yeah 'course |
| 10:47.23 | Stskeeps | need to make osso-dsp-modules-su-18 so :P |
| 10:47.34 | aladds | ah |
| 10:47.40 | aladds | fair enough |
| 10:48.26 | Stskeeps | if you for some reason know how to squeeze out /usr/bin/Xomap from a OS2008 fiasco image you're also welcome (so we can make xserver :P) |
| 10:48.44 | Stskeeps | also i made udev-nokernelcheck for 770 purposes |
| 10:48.54 | Stskeeps | (it adds something to udev.conf that disables kernel check) |
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| 10:49.34 | aladds | http://pastebin.com/d222d59a8 |
| 10:49.45 | aladds | cool |
| 10:50.06 | aladds | hmm |
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| 10:50.22 | aladds | i don't know how easy it would be to get the file from OS2008 |
| 10:50.31 | aladds | i can give it to you from OS2006 |
| 10:50.39 | aladds | i'd prefer not to reflash though |
| 10:50.56 | Stskeeps | yeah.. i prefer from OS2008 and i dont want you to reflash either :P |
| 10:50.59 | aladds | then i'd have to reload stuff and redo the bootloader |
| 10:51.21 | aladds | what's the bin file? |
| 10:51.28 | aladds | is it just a jffs2 image? |
| 10:51.34 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 10:51.40 | aladds | cos i've got it here |
| 10:53.12 | Stskeeps | try apt-get install 0xffff from deblet, 0xFFFF -e /root/imgdump |
| 10:53.18 | Stskeeps | (mkdir -p /root/imgdump first) |
| 10:53.51 | aladds | let me reboot |
| 10:53.54 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:53.56 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 10:53.57 | Stskeeps | nm |
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| 10:54.01 | Stskeeps | that's from OS2006 obviously. |
| 10:54.05 | aladds | oh |
| 10:54.06 | Stskeeps | so don't do that :P |
| 10:54.11 | aladds | ok :P |
| 10:54.35 | jott | Stskeeps: why not compile the xserver instead of extracting it from the image?! |
| 10:54.46 | Stskeeps | jott: i can't find exact sources for OS2008HE |
| 10:54.58 | jott | aren't they the same? |
| 10:54.58 | Stskeeps | but yes, that's a possibility |
| 10:55.07 | Stskeeps | no, there's a fix for xorg that isn't in patches |
| 10:55.09 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 10:55.14 | Stskeeps | the binary is easier to get anyhow :P |
| 10:55.20 | Stskeeps | aladds: flasher-3.0 has an --unpack option |
| 10:55.37 | aladds | hmm |
| 10:56.03 | jott | Stskeeps: hmm only for 770 or what? |
| 10:56.08 | Stskeeps | jott: yeah |
| 10:57.57 | aladds | there's no flasher-3.0 for osx |
| 10:57.59 | aladds | :( |
| 10:58.30 | aladds | only up to 2.0 |
| 10:58.44 | aladds | ah well |
| 10:58.51 | aladds | downloads an ubuntu iso :P |
| 10:59.02 | Stskeeps | aladds: it doesnt have -u? |
| 10:59.46 | jott | ah btw, dsme will come in 1-2 weeks |
| 10:59.53 | aladds | doesn't look like it |
| 11:00.02 | jott | talked to one of the devs yesterday |
| 11:00.05 | Stskeeps | jott: sounds good |
| 11:00.47 | Stskeeps | aladds: can you grab the sources thing for me from OS2008HE maybe? |
| 11:00.50 | Stskeeps | i don't have a MAC handy :P |
| 11:01.00 | Stskeeps | then i can maybe compile it on my own |
| 11:05.51 | aladds | Stskeeps: would it make more sense for me to run debian lenny on the desktop? |
| 11:07.43 | Stskeeps | aladds: mm, maybe - but it isn't needed |
| 11:08.34 | aladds | well, it'll be virtualised, so :P |
| 11:08.50 | aladds | and i just got REALLY odd deja-vu |
| 11:08.53 | aladds | which is odd |
| 11:08.59 | aladds | :P |
| 11:09.05 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:10.01 | aladds | although i didn't see the flapjack... |
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| 11:26.18 | Stskeeps | i had bacon for breakfast.. mm. |
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| 11:34.39 | Stskeeps | jott: found xorg sources :P |
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| 11:51.16 | RST38h | Speccy-Maemo 1.6.3 is now in Extras |
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| 12:03.10 | ccooke | liri: You still around? |
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| 12:14.13 | RST38h | any suggestions on what to use for serial line terminal in linux? |
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| 12:14.47 | thux | hi, didn't find telepathy-idle anymore, is it ended? |
| 12:15.15 | woglinde | RST38h minicom or cutecom |
| 12:15.21 | fnordianslip | RST38h: i've used screen before |
| 12:15.32 | woglinde | cutecom is nicer, but you can run vi in sane way |
| 12:15.35 | woglinde | can not |
| 12:15.37 | RST38h | thanks |
| 12:16.02 | woglinde | and no scripting support if I remeber correctly |
| 12:19.03 | Stskeeps | aladds: apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xomap-770 |
| 12:19.28 | aladds | Stskeeps: in deblet, yes? |
| 12:19.38 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 12:19.50 | aladds | boots it up |
| 12:20.58 | aladds | updating |
| 12:23.51 | Stskeeps | and then try to /usr/bin/Xomap after doing fb_update_mode manual |
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| 12:26.32 | thux | can i get irc and msn support to telepathy or is it osso-chat-ui chavo these dayz? |
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| 12:41.13 | aladds | ok it's installed |
| 12:41.29 | Stskeeps | does /usr/bin/Xomap run? |
| 12:41.41 | aladds | Fatal server error: |
| 12:41.41 | aladds | LinuxInit: Server must be suid root |
| 12:41.51 | aladds | evidently now |
| 12:41.57 | aladds | *not |
| 12:42.20 | Stskeeps | that's fine, chown root:root /usr/bin/Xomap |
| 12:42.24 | Stskeeps | chmod a+s /usr/bin/Xomap |
| 12:42.37 | Stskeeps | i did a mistake in packaging which im submitting to packages atm |
| 12:43.48 | aladds | it's not too happy |
| 12:43.49 | aladds | http://pastebin.com/d4220ae0c |
| 12:44.31 | aladds | screen went black, then gave me a single underscore caret in the top left |
| 12:46.25 | Stskeeps | that's fine |
| 12:46.54 | aladds | it does sit there at that point though |
| 12:47.02 | aladds | doesn't quit |
| 12:47.06 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's fine |
| 12:47.10 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 12:57.04 | Stskeeps | can you apt-get install equivs? |
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| 12:59.05 | Stskeeps | (this will pull in a bit of stuff :/) |
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| 13:00.37 | Stskeeps | well, or don't.. sec |
| 13:01.36 | Stskeeps | apt-get update; apt-get install nit-env-basic hal tablet-x x-session |
| 13:02.24 | Stskeeps | verify it doesn't try to download xserver-xomap (xserver-xomap-770 is okay) |
| 13:05.28 | aladds | shall try |
| 13:05.32 | aladds | updating |
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| 13:07.20 | johnx | hmm...there's new svn updates to matchbox-keyboard. maybe one of them has fixes... |
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| 13:08.30 | Stskeeps | Benny1967: sufficient answer to the initfs stuff? |
| 13:09.12 | Benny1967 | omg, didnt return to itt since i posted it ;) |
| 13:09.18 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:10.36 | Benny1967 | so in fact the current way is better? |
| 13:10.53 | Stskeeps | well it depends on how they're going to do it. |
| 13:11.07 | Stskeeps | if they allow people to make a grub like bootmenu - it's fantastic |
| 13:11.14 | Benny1967 | no drawbacks with initfs/rootfs? |
| 13:11.28 | Stskeeps | there's some, obviously, but i don't mind having a "rescue mode" |
| 13:11.34 | Stskeeps | since rootfs's tend to get corrupted |
| 13:11.45 | aladds | Stskeeps: i don't see xserver-xomap in there |
| 13:11.58 | aladds | go? |
| 13:12.33 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 13:12.49 | Stskeeps | you might have to apt-get upgrade xserver-xomap-770 afterwards |
| 13:12.53 | Stskeeps | for good measure |
| 13:13.47 | aladds | righto |
| 13:13.57 | Benny1967 | but to make it short: "no more initfs" is not the big thing everyone has been waiting for, right? |
| 13:14.14 | Stskeeps | Benny1967: if they don't make a fucked up solution where it can only boot from internal flash, yes |
| 13:14.32 | Benny1967 | thx ;) |
| 13:14.41 | Stskeeps | it might make other OS'es on tablet easier, but it may also just make it more difficult |
| 13:14.54 | Stskeeps | there was a bugzilla thing on this.. |
| 13:15.03 | aladds | configuring console-data |
| 13:15.08 | aladds | don't touch keymap? |
| 13:16.14 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 13:29.31 | aladds | doing xomap-zz0 upgrade |
| 13:29.36 | aladds | 7770 |
| 13:29.39 | aladds | 770 |
| 13:29.40 | aladds | :P |
| 13:30.53 | Stskeeps | hehe, Nokia Zz0, the optimized 770 ;) |
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| 13:31.23 | johnx | Zz0 with new optimized sleep mode? |
| 13:31.31 | aladds | :P |
| 13:31.46 | aladds | with any sleep mode would be nice... |
| 13:31.57 | johnx | put the cover on it? boom! |
| 13:32.07 | aladds | not asleep though |
| 13:32.08 | Stskeeps | it has a cover sensor? :P |
| 13:32.14 | johnx | ...as Jobs would say |
| 13:32.15 | johnx | the 770? |
| 13:32.22 | johnx | yeah it had cool stuff |
| 13:32.27 | johnx | had a better d-pad too |
| 13:32.33 | aladds | it even knows if the battery cover is open |
| 13:32.35 | aladds | :P |
| 13:32.42 | aladds | it's got a lottle reed switch |
| 13:32.45 | aladds | little |
| 13:33.32 | johnx | the n800 can tell if its battery cover is open and even the other sd card slot, but it never came with a plastic shel/case/thing |
| 13:34.18 | Benny1967 | dont you guys talk about the 770. mine died only a few weeks ago :( |
| 13:34.50 | johnx | sadness :( |
| 13:34.54 | aladds | :( |
| 13:34.54 | Stskeeps | WSOD? |
| 13:35.22 | Benny1967 | apart from being a bit slower it was so much cooler than the N8x0 |
| 13:35.38 | aladds | Stskeeps: all installed |
| 13:35.39 | Benny1967 | wsod. how do you know? |
| 13:35.49 | Stskeeps | aladds: reboot and see if xterm comes up :) |
| 13:36.06 | aladds | types reboot |
| 13:36.08 | johnx | Benny1967, most die that way if they're not physically abused |
| 13:36.25 | Stskeeps | it's like natural death for 770s, like with humans |
| 13:36.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:37.39 | Benny1967 | mhm... i wonder if they'll ever sell a *mobile* device like the 770 again :( |
| 13:37.54 | johnx | probably not |
| 13:38.06 | johnx | they'll stick with physical keyboards I bet |
| 13:38.15 | aladds | is looking at console messages, which seem static |
| 13:38.17 | ccooke | I hope so... |
| 13:38.21 | johnx | and I don't see a cover or true sleep mode coming back |
| 13:38.29 | aladds | wonders if he should apt-get remove gpm |
| 13:38.40 | ccooke | A hard cover would be nice. |
| 13:38.51 | Benny1967 | i can live with a keyboard but not without a cover |
| 13:39.00 | ccooke | true sleep mode... I actually think that what the n8x0 do is much better |
| 13:39.25 | ccooke | Benny1967: I bought a third-party hard shell for my n810 |
| 13:39.29 | Benny1967 | no cover = not mobile |
| 13:39.30 | johnx | ccooke, it is for a lot of people a lot of the time |
| 13:39.50 | johnx | Benny1967, cell phone seem to get by ok |
| 13:40.08 | ccooke | johnx: it's certainly *impressive*. It's one place where the Nokias are a length ahead of any competitor |
| 13:40.18 | Benny1967 | me too, my N800 now lives within an ugly leather case.... |
| 13:40.32 | Stskeeps | "true sleep mode"? |
| 13:40.47 | johnx | Stskeeps, uhm, suspend to RAM |
| 13:40.58 | Benny1967 | ... but it has no way of knowing if the cover is closed so that it can sleep. |
| 13:41.01 | ccooke | Benny1967: ah. the aluminium cover for the n810 is actually really nice. It leaves the external buttons accessible |
| 13:41.05 | aladds | noices the screen has gone black |
| 13:41.09 | aladds | notices |
| 13:41.15 | Stskeeps | any xterm popping up yet? :P |
| 13:41.36 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm planning to play a little with n800-s2ram at some point and deblet |
| 13:41.39 | aladds | not yet |
| 13:41.44 | ccooke | Benny1967: on the n810, there's autolock - lock the screen whenever it goes dark. Now *that* should be installed as a standard option! |
| 13:41.46 | johnx | with the n810 you can do clever things about locking/sleeping when the light sensor detects inactivity and complete darkness |
| 13:41.48 | aladds | i just have black atm |
| 13:41.59 | Stskeeps | aladds: could you give me a ps aux? |
| 13:42.15 | aladds | already done |
| 13:42.27 | aladds | http://pastebin.com/d433b3c0b |
| 13:42.29 | aladds | and a top |
| 13:43.00 | Stskeeps | eh, is that ps aux complete? |
| 13:43.07 | aladds | mm |
| 13:43.13 | Benny1967 | i dont trust all these intelligent modes... the 770s magnetic switch was it. ;) |
| 13:43.26 | Stskeeps | there seem to be missing udev and all that jazz |
| 13:43.35 | aladds | http://pastebin.com/d6efc5290 |
| 13:43.37 | aladds | oops |
| 13:43.37 | qwerty12_N800 | quick question, for mount.cifs to work, does cifs.ko need to be insmodded? |
| 13:43.37 | aladds | :P |
| 13:43.57 | Stskeeps | okay, so no X running |
| 13:43.58 | ccooke | Benny1967: heh. The thing is, going to sleep is actually against what the device is billed as, though |
| 13:44.02 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.20 | ccooke | Benny1967: it's supposed to be always on - so IM stays connected, it can update stuff... |
| 13:44.28 | aladds | Fatal server error: |
| 13:44.28 | aladds | omapCardInit: couldn't open dispc gfx plane |
| 13:44.45 | aladds | waiting for X server to begin accepting connections |
| 13:44.45 | aladds | giving up. |
| 13:44.46 | aladds | xinit: Connection reset by peer (errno 104): unable to connect to X server |
| 13:44.46 | aladds | xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. |
| 13:44.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Benny1967: closing the cover would put it in softpoweroff which can still be used on the n8x0 but with nowhere near the easiness |
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| 13:45.00 | Stskeeps | aladds: think i've been here before.. |
| 13:45.07 | aladds | oh? |
| 13:45.12 | Benny1967 | ;) i know what nokia wants it to do. i just prefer my devices to do what I want them to. |
| 13:45.28 | Benny1967 | else i'd buy apple |
| 13:45.44 | ccooke | heh |
| 13:45.59 | aladds | buys apple anyway, most of what they do is what i want |
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| 13:46.15 | aladds | and for what they don't, i'm learning objective-c :P |
| 13:46.27 | johnx | keeps getting torn between mac os x and linux, but is on a linux kick right now |
| 13:46.36 | Stskeeps | aladds: apt-get remove x-session, apt-get install gdm lxde tablet-gdm-autologin xsession-gtkstylus matchbox-keyboard |
| 13:46.42 | Stskeeps | and dpkg --purge x-session |
| 13:46.56 | Benny1967 | apple really frightens me to death |
| 13:47.14 | johnx | Benny1967, "our way or the highway"? |
| 13:47.27 | johnx | or something else? the zealots? the koolaid? |
| 13:48.06 | ccooke | I *like* apple... but they have, as yet, failed to make a single product I would ever buy |
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| 13:48.20 | aladds | not even the 12" powerbook? |
| 13:48.31 | aladds | it was so cute |
| 13:48.35 | aladds | :P |
| 13:48.49 | ccooke | Actually, I tell a lie - I've thought about buying an ipod nano, but I already had a solution for music I was happy with |
| 13:48.57 | Stskeeps | aladds: running out of SD space yet? :P |
| 13:48.58 | ccooke | aladds: I bought one for my wife. She still uses it. |
| 13:49.02 | ccooke | and yes, it's cute! |
| 13:49.04 | johnx | my next laptop is either macbook or a lenovo x200 |
| 13:49.19 | aladds | Stskeeps: nah, only 31% used |
| 13:49.57 | ccooke | But it takes me several hours (including searches and downloads) to get OSX to a point where I don't *mind* using it. Wheras I can configure an Ubuntu box the way I like it in about 20 minutes. |
| 13:50.02 | derf | My next laptop I want one of those ultra-light 1kg ones. |
| 13:50.21 | aladds | has a black macbook |
| 13:50.24 | aladds | it's awsome |
| 13:50.37 | aladds | and i can run other OSs inside it anyway |
| 13:50.47 | aladds | Sun's xVM is free :-) |
| 13:51.33 | ccooke | aladds: yes, but if you're buying a macbook in order to rip away OSX, then that *has* to be a negative. For a start, every *other* os uses a second mouse button... |
| 13:51.34 | aladds | Stskeeps: now it wants to use 199MB of space :P |
| 13:51.37 | johnx | in my case, the macbook is a pretty big size/price/weight premium for the privilege of running osx |
| 13:51.44 | Stskeeps | aladds: aye |
| 13:51.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:52.11 | aladds | ccooke: i use osx all the time, it's the best OS I've ever used |
| 13:52.25 | aladds | Linux comes close |
| 13:52.29 | ccooke | The closest I've come to buying an Apple machine was the last time I bought a laptop, two years ago. But at the time, their 17" macbook pros were... well, pretty pathetic, actually |
| 13:52.43 | ccooke | aladds: It's very nice, but it doesn't think the way I think. |
| 13:52.44 | aladds | the older MacBook Pros were |
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| 13:53.08 | aladds | ccooke: I came from Mac OS 9 land, so OSX was a very welcome change |
| 13:53.24 | ccooke | aladds: yeah. I had a nice conversation with an Apple guy on the plane home from Tokyo a couple of years back, asking for higher resolution screens and better graphics :-) |
| 13:53.36 | Benny1967 | hehe ... "but it doesn't think the way I think." |
| 13:53.46 | Benny1967 | that's it |
| 13:53.48 | ccooke | Benny1967: you understand me, yes? |
| 13:54.05 | johnx | ccooke, I know what you mean. :) |
| 13:54.07 | Benny1967 | 2 friends of mine run osx |
| 13:54.15 | aladds | many of mine do |
| 13:54.18 | Benny1967 | i cant use these computers |
| 13:54.20 | ccooke | Benny1967: It's based on some fundamental assumptions of how you will work. Those assumptions are *better* than the ones Windows uses, for instance |
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| 13:54.40 | ccooke | but I have been using unix - in text mode, mainly - for more than 15 years. |
| 13:54.42 | johnx | if linux doesn't work the way you want it to, you tell it to do something different. but with osx it's really counterproductive to try and make it do something differently |
| 13:54.49 | ccooke | I do *not* think that way :-) |
| 13:55.04 | johnx | ccooke, exactly |
| 13:55.06 | Benny1967 | each time i want to resize a window i go mad |
| 13:55.26 | aladds | I agree with the stupid zoom button |
| 13:55.33 | johnx | for some people osx works really well. for a lot of things I needed to do at the time it worked really well. but I always came back to linux in the end |
| 13:55.35 | aladds | some applications work, some don't |
| 13:55.48 | Benny1967 | or: it took me ages to find out where minimized applications go |
| 13:56.07 | johnx | aladds, actually in the zoom vs maximize debate I fall on the osx side :D |
| 13:56.14 | aladds | really? |
| 13:56.24 | johnx | I never maximize apps anyways |
| 13:56.29 | aladds | fair enough |
| 13:56.39 | aladds | with laptop screens it's better when you do |
| 13:56.41 | Benny1967 | it's just like it's from another planet |
| 13:56.42 | aladds | :P |
| 13:56.57 | johnx | it's a waste of screen real estate. so what I really want an app to do is "resize until all the contents fit" |
| 13:57.07 | johnx | saves me doing that by hand since that's what I want 90% of the time |
| 13:57.10 | aladds | what annoys me about the zoom buttons though is how it's not consistant |
| 13:57.11 | derf | Is there really no way to mark a bug as a duplicate on garage? |
| 13:57.12 | Stskeeps | johnx: isn't it possible to tell openbox to take a window with a class/name and make it appear like a taskbar? |
| 13:57.20 | johnx | but I can't deal with click to focus on a laptop/desktop |
| 13:57.22 | Stskeeps | johnx: because that'd give us h-i-m in openbox |
| 13:57.36 | Stskeeps | (you know, docking) |
| 13:57.51 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'll see if the h-i-m window is gives us the right info |
| 13:58.06 | ccooke | johnx: ugh, I hate having to click on things to focus. And I can't work without multiple desktops. |
| 13:58.06 | Stskeeps | it might have to resize it and stuff |
| 13:58.25 | johnx | resize is doable I think |
| 13:58.29 | johnx | Stskeeps, what's the package again? |
| 13:58.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: for h-i-m? |
| 13:58.39 | johnx | yeah |
| 13:58.43 | aladds | ccooke: osx has multiple desktops now |
| 13:58.56 | Stskeeps | http://packages.linuxniche.net/deblet/pool/main/h/ |
| 13:59.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you see qole's hillarious h-i-m screenshot in easy debian? |
| 13:59.30 | ccooke | aladds: yes. That's one application of the dozen or so I wouldn't have to find in order to not get *too* badly frustrated ;-) |
| 13:59.34 | johnx | Stskeeps, not yet |
| 13:59.39 | Stskeeps | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2853096131/ |
| 13:59.45 | ccooke | aladds: maybe in another decade or so, I'll buy an OSX machine... |
| 13:59.49 | johnx | ccooke, it's integrated now |
| 14:00.15 | aladds | I am loving Time Machine though |
| 14:00.22 | aladds | backup you can forget about :P |
| 14:00.26 | ccooke | yeah, that's a nice piece of software |
| 14:00.29 | Benny1967 | ah, flickr.... rrainisto? r u here or anyone who knows him? |
| 14:00.47 | aladds | i only have to remember to plug my big drive into it every now and again |
| 14:00.51 | johnx | aladds, a nice wrapper around lvm2+rdiff snapshots essentially |
| 14:01.15 | aladds | yeah, but it has a nice interface :P |
| 14:01.21 | aladds | everything in OSX has polish |
| 14:01.25 | aladds | and i like that |
| 14:01.31 | aladds | it's all finished |
| 14:01.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: instructions at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221728&postcount=19 |
| 14:01.36 | aladds | it all works |
| 14:01.56 | johnx | aladds, well it's all finished...and if you find anything that's not finished you have to wait for someone else to fix it or do without |
| 14:02.01 | Stskeeps | aladds: still downloading? :P |
| 14:02.13 | aladds | Stskeeps: as you said that it finished downloading |
| 14:02.17 | aladds | :P |
| 14:02.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:02.32 | Benny1967 | aladds, but it doesn't work the way i want it to. |
| 14:02.44 | ccooke | aladds: Yeah, it's a really nice system. |
| 14:03.03 | aladds | granted, perhaps not how you want it to |
| 14:03.08 | aladds | brb phone |
| 14:03.17 | Benny1967 | and being pretty isn't enough for a long time relationship |
| 14:03.18 | johnx | I loved osx about 80% of the time, tolerated it 10% and was in a screaming rage at it the other 10% |
| 14:03.21 | aladds | back perhaps not |
| 14:03.42 | ccooke | johnx: I'm around 50/20/30, unfortunately. |
| 14:03.44 | Stskeeps | i wonder what the % is for maemo :P |
| 14:04.00 | Stskeeps | i'm a 60% 20% 20% or something |
| 14:04.12 | aladds | my linux experience isn't amazing i have to say |
| 14:04.15 | ccooke | Stskeeps: maemo is... not polished. But it's actually *functional*, which makes up for a lot. |
| 14:04.20 | aladds | i used to run ubuntu on a vaio |
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| 14:04.30 | aladds | the hardware was so poor... |
| 14:04.33 | Benny1967 | but i'm probably applecally challenged or so.... i couldn't use an iphone either. |
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| 14:04.50 | aladds | i would *never* buy sony computers |
| 14:05.02 | aladds | (it was free) |
| 14:05.02 | Benny1967 | just couldn't type, couldn't surf, couldn't do anything |
| 14:05.31 | Stskeeps | aladds: nice newton pics btw on flickr :P |
| 14:05.31 | aladds | oh the iPhone is awsome |
| 14:05.42 | aladds | oh i forgot about those |
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| 14:05.46 | aladds | yeah |
| 14:05.52 | aladds | i also has a 130 |
| 14:05.56 | aladds | *have |
| 14:05.58 | Benny1967 | aladds, not if you want to type a mail |
| 14:06.17 | ccooke | heh. iphone is, again, a really great device I have no temptation to buy |
| 14:06.24 | aladds | the on screen keyboard on the iPhone is the best of any device so far |
| 14:06.41 | ccooke | for the things I want to do, it can't compare at all to the n810 |
| 14:06.50 | johnx | aladds, you should try the n800's onscreen thumb keyboard |
| 14:07.01 | Benny1967 | aladds, in terms of what? i cannot type on that thing |
| 14:07.02 | ccooke | johnx: yeah, that's surprisingly good |
| 14:07.05 | aladds | i've used it on OS2008HE |
| 14:07.15 | aladds | it's ok, but you can't see anything else |
| 14:07.46 | Benny1967 | in landscape mode i could, very slowly, but else... no way |
| 14:07.46 | johnx | aladds, but you can type faster with it... |
| 14:08.06 | aladds | i've only used it in the shop though |
| 14:08.07 | ccooke | aladds: the iphone one is fine as long as you have small fingers. Unfortunately, while I *do* have small fingers... they're small for a 6'8" guy with huge bones :-) |
| 14:08.09 | johnx | but yeah, the iphone is another great product as long as it does everything you want already |
| 14:08.16 | aladds | and i was comparing it to my current phone, which sucks |
| 14:08.45 | aladds | johnx: agreed |
| 14:09.04 | Benny1967 | johnx, it's the other way round: as long as you want what it allows |
| 14:09.13 | aladds | as a mobile phone, i think it's the best you can buy |
| 14:09.29 | aladds | comparing it to SE or Nokia S60 |
| 14:09.39 | ccooke | aladds: please qualify that... it's the best *you* can buy :-) |
| 14:09.45 | johnx | Benny1967, either way, don't get it with the thought of bending it to your will. it's quite the other way around |
| 14:10.01 | ccooke | The iphone is actually pretty shit in several categories... |
| 14:10.06 | Benny1967 | aladds, except that as a phone it's really bad and drops calls. |
| 14:10.12 | aladds | ccooke: it's too expesive though :( |
| 14:10.24 | aladds | Benny1967: that depends on service mainly |
| 14:10.27 | ccooke | aladds: that's one of them. Another is if you're after a camera phone. |
| 14:10.49 | johnx | aladds, except that it's worse than other phones on the same service all over the world |
| 14:11.00 | johnx | though that has been improved, IIRC |
| 14:11.24 | Benny1967 | also, you might want a phone that you can type on. with real keys. |
| 14:11.26 | aladds | i think for apple's second phone it's fucking incredible |
| 14:11.26 | ccooke | johnx: that's bad, but it *will* get sorted out. It's poor QA, though. |
| 14:11.55 | ccooke | aladds: see, there's the problem - you're giving them the benefit of the doubt automatically. |
| 14:12.10 | aladds | Benny1967: but are there any phones with real keys which have *good* keyboards? :P |
| 14:12.33 | darklajid | HTC |
| 14:12.36 | aladds | Palms have teensey keys |
| 14:12.40 | ccooke | aladds: wheras... Apple are a vast, multibillion dollar enterprise. They have more than enough money to get things very well tested; that they didn't is *a mistake* that they should have known better for. |
| 14:12.42 | Benny1967 | ccooke, people do so because it's "pretty". nothing else counts. |
| 14:13.09 | ccooke | It's not a mistake that's too *huge*, mind - they'll improve on it and I do believe they'll learn. However, it's still a big error! |
| 14:13.30 | johnx | aladds, all it matters is how fast you can type. blackberry and treo users will be able to type faster than iphone users |
| 14:13.43 | Benny1967 | aladds, any normal phone with numeric keys and t9 is better for typing (for me) |
| 14:13.43 | ccooke | (um. I mean: It's not something to flay them alive for, but it *is* something to point to and say "I expected better") |
| 14:13.58 | johnx | is disappointed with the trend of reduced tactile feedback in devices :/ |
| 14:14.08 | aladds | i agree with that actually |
| 14:14.26 | ccooke | johnx: the n810 is better than I expected... especially with the key click sounds on. |
| 14:14.27 | aladds | someone needs to develop some sort of haptic feedback which doesn't involve a vibrator |
| 14:14.27 | darklajid | Yeah, but an IBM M-Series keyboard on an N810 might look like shit.. |
| 14:14.49 | ccooke | but I'd love something like the Zaurus had (shame that wouldn't slide so well) |
| 14:14.54 | johnx | the n810 is actually pleasently the other direction from my complaint |
| 14:14.59 | RST38h | moo all |
| 14:15.06 | johnx | m00 RST38h |
| 14:15.10 | RST38h | johnx: there was any tactile feedback in devices before? |
| 14:15.31 | RST38h | Or do you mean non-flat buttons by this? |
| 14:15.38 | johnx | RST38h, volume dials instead of unmoving buttons, dpads instead of touchpads |
| 14:15.51 | RST38h | oh that |
| 14:15.56 | johnx | things that you could feel instead of having to look at |
| 14:16.00 | aladds | I'd love to know when Access/Palm are releasing something with Access Linux on it |
| 14:16.02 | RST38h | I can tell you a few horror stories about this stuff ;) |
| 14:16.12 | aladds | if that'll ever happen |
| 14:16.13 | Benny1967 | i agree with johnx |
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| 14:16.23 | RST38h | Like BBK (known as Oppo in US) making a PMP without any real buttons |
| 14:16.51 | Stskeeps | johnx: how stable is debian midori btw? |
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| 14:17.01 | RST38h | It was a nice looking PMP, slim metal case buttons at the edge |
| 14:17.05 | johnx | yah, and can people hit the "skip track" button on their ipod (or equivalent) while it's in their pocket? |
| 14:17.20 | RST38h | Unfortunately, poor thing was so sensitive that it could not figure out what you were pressing |
| 14:17.23 | johnx | Stskeeps, pretty stable. |
| 14:17.23 | RST38h | (if at all) |
| 14:17.29 | aladds | johnx: they have a remote now |
| 14:17.42 | aladds | but you're right |
| 14:17.45 | Benny1967 | mhm, lunchtime.... |
| 14:17.45 | johnx | Stskeeps, playing with new matcgbox-keyboard right now. seeing if it can be made to behave |
| 14:17.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: sounds good |
| 14:17.57 | Stskeeps | aladds: installation still going on? |
| 14:18.05 | aladds | Stskeeps: gdm at the moment |
| 14:18.08 | aladds | unpacking |
| 14:18.09 | aladds | :P |
| 14:18.10 | Benny1967 | see you later |
| 14:19.59 | RST38h | johnx: afaik, iPods are a bit different |
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| 14:20.31 | johnx | RST38h, when I said equivalent I meant any mp3 player these days |
| 14:20.34 | RST38h | johnx: they rely on triggering multiple sensors in a certain order |
| 14:20.55 | johnx | most fail the the "change tracks without looking at it test" |
| 14:21.20 | RST38h | johnx: well, it is RIGHT dpad direction on my E70 :) |
| 14:21.36 | RST38h | And no, I have no idea why people buy those players at the first place |
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| 14:22.20 | johnx | heh...same reason they buy heavy laptops with poor battery life: failure to critically think about their own use case |
| 14:22.22 | aladds | my Sony K750i uses the volume buttons to change tracks |
| 14:22.29 | aladds | if you hold them down |
| 14:22.34 | aladds | but the media player is awful |
| 14:22.46 | aladds | can't browse by artist |
| 14:22.48 | derf | I buy heavy laptops with poor battery life to do tech demos at conferences. |
| 14:23.06 | RST38h | johnx: But bigger is better! =) |
| 14:23.12 | johnx | derf, you don't count :P |
| 14:23.24 | ccooke | derf: Heh. I buy huge laptops because I can't use small ones :-) |
| 14:23.34 | RST38h | derf: Real people use IBM RS6000 with a 2048x2048 indutrial monitor for tech demos |
| 14:23.49 | RST38h | derf: (the monitor is 80+kg) |
| 14:24.00 | qwerty12_N800 | aladds: flash with w800 firmware. i used to have a k750, i used to patch and mod it and loved it. joystick broke and i mod w810 now |
| 14:24.02 | derf | RST38h: I don't want to have to ship it out there. I want to carry it on a plane. |
| 14:24.24 | RST38h | derf: what a terrorist! |
| 14:24.28 | aladds | qwerty12_N800: I've looked into it before, my phone has brown firmware |
| 14:24.32 | aladds | :( |
| 14:24.36 | derf | Hey, I have a TSA-approved laptop bag! |
| 14:24.52 | aladds | my joystick's pretty much broken too... |
| 14:24.54 | RST38h | wraps his laptop in clothing |
| 14:25.06 | aladds | needs a new phone |
| 14:25.12 | RST38h | It is too small for a separate bag - most bags are heavier than the laptop itself |
| 14:25.15 | qwerty12_N800 | aladds: you can flash a red erom or buy a £15 service cable and use cracked setool |
| 14:25.28 | aladds | it's not worth it |
| 14:25.34 | aladds | this phone's no fun |
| 14:25.39 | aladds | my J70 was way cooler |
| 14:25.48 | ccooke | derf: the problem with big laptops on planes is you often can't recharge them - this beast uses a 130W charger, for instance... |
| 14:25.59 | qwerty12_N800 | aladds: google elfpack |
| 14:26.01 | aladds | I had NiMar's firmware & loads of custom apps |
| 14:26.01 | derf | ccooke: I don't care about actually using it on the plane. |
| 14:26.13 | ccooke | derf: just carrying it? Okay, that makes sense. |
| 14:26.18 | derf | I usually don't have internet on the plane, so what's the point? |
| 14:26.27 | RST38h | ccooke: recharging the laptop is the last thing I think about when on a plane |
| 14:26.46 | derf | And if I do, I've got an N810. |
| 14:26.53 | aladds | qwerty12_N800: looks cool |
| 14:27.13 | RST38h | but if I really need to use it on a plane, a new R100 with two batteries runs for about 7-8 hours |
| 14:27.27 | ccooke | RST38h: Not bad... |
| 14:27.44 | RST38h | Mine runs for 40 minutes though - both batteries are close to dead |
| 14:28.11 | qwerty12_N800 | aladds: yeah, i have it on my w810. but if you have a brown phone, it must be cid36. if you end up getting a new one;flash a red erom using sefp :) |
| 14:28.16 | derf | Some day they will make batteries that last longer than a year. |
| 14:28.24 | aladds | qwerty12_N800: CID49 :( |
| 14:28.52 | aladds | it's Ex-Vodafone |
| 14:28.55 | aladds | :P |
| 14:29.07 | RST38h | derf: and run on the souls of dead hamsters |
| 14:29.07 | aladds | (they gave me an unlock code after a year) |
| 14:29.20 | derf | I'm okay with that. They're not using them anymore. |
| 14:29.40 | RST38h | whom? the hamsters? and what did "they" use them for before? |
| 14:29.41 | aladds | Stskeeps: i notice it's installing iceweasel, do you really think it'll run? :P |
| 14:29.48 | Stskeeps | aladds: hey, why not |
| 14:29.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:29.56 | aladds | lol true |
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| 14:30.01 | Stskeeps | aladds: think it's just a silly dependancy in lxde.. |
| 14:30.06 | aladds | ah |
| 14:30.08 | Stskeeps | midori is prolly a better choice |
| 14:30.14 | qwerty12_N800 | aladds: ouch, a brown cid49. dunno if the mod to use sefp works well with erom flashing. heh, i bought a service cable with my 810, got unlock codes for me and my sisters k750 there and then :p |
| 14:30.33 | aladds | heh |
| 14:30.42 | johnx | yes, midori is a much better choice, especially with 64MB RAM |
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| 14:32.03 | Stskeeps | is midori better than microb? :P |
| 14:32.10 | johnx | hmmm |
| 14:32.13 | johnx | that's a loaded question |
| 14:32.25 | johnx | it's better at google maps for sure |
| 14:32.28 | RST38h | Sts: no. |
| 14:32.38 | johnx | it's faster in a lot of cases and slower in a couple |
| 14:32.46 | johnx | but it's not as finger friendly |
| 14:32.50 | RST38h | Less stable |
| 14:33.00 | johnx | RST38h, debatable |
| 14:33.02 | aladds | what about dillo? |
| 14:33.09 | aladds | might be crap at rendering many sites |
| 14:33.11 | johnx | dillo is kind of useless a lot of the time |
| 14:33.15 | aladds | but it's really fast |
| 14:33.23 | RST38h | johnx: well, it crashes =) |
| 14:33.29 | johnx | RST38h, well so does microb |
| 14:33.51 | johnx | RST38h, so it depends on which one *doesn't* crash on the sites I use |
| 14:33.54 | RST38h | johnx: Much less often. BTW, I have traced that browserd hangup bug down |
| 14:34.03 | johnx | RST38h, gettimeofday() ? |
| 14:34.08 | RST38h | johnx: Yep |
| 14:34.19 | Stskeeps | eh. :P |
| 14:34.21 | RST38h | It does look like this may come from flash applets (i.e. youtube player) |
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| 14:35.07 | RST38h | But, shit, the "programmer" who decided to time his code by calling gettimeofday() in a tight loop has to be fired at the spot |
| 14:35.30 | johnx | oh, here's why midori wins for me: being able to set the font size without doing seven kinds of arcane ... stuff |
| 14:36.20 | RST38h | Ah |
| 14:36.36 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't get the obsession with the 770's hard cover. |
| 14:36.55 | RST38h | Never had a 770 but hard voer sounds useful |
| 14:37.01 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, different use cases |
| 14:37.02 | RST38h | 810 is so easily scratchable... |
| 14:37.16 | sp3000 | ...if you keep sandpaper in your pockets |
| 14:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 14:37.32 | GeneralAntilles | I used my N800 exactly the same as I used my 770. |
| 14:37.35 | aladds | keeps sandpaper in his pockets, doesn't everyone? :P |
| 14:37.36 | RST38h | sp3000: miraculously bread crumbs do the job |
| 14:37.37 | johnx | even small rocks and shards of metal are a problem :( |
| 14:37.38 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., it goes with me practically everywhere. |
| 14:37.51 | johnx | RST38h, O_o what kind of *bread* do you eat? |
| 14:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | You know what's in better shape after a little over a year of use? |
| 14:37.55 | GeneralAntilles | The N800. |
| 14:37.57 | sp3000 | RST38h: mmm, breadcrumbs are great for clogging up keyboards |
| 14:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | Why? Screen protector. |
| 14:38.07 | GeneralAntilles | Not the stupid hardcover, a $12 screen protector. |
| 14:38.12 | sp3000 | I seem to have avoided getting bread in my pockets though ;) |
| 14:38.12 | RST38h | looks like the metal casing of N810 is covered with something |
| 14:38.18 | RST38h | this stuff is really easy to scratch |
| 14:38.42 | johnx | ...if you make your bread from stone dust instead of flour... |
| 14:39.04 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to beat up the people making me move articles they decided to stupidly name in camelCase. |
| 14:39.07 | sp3000 | using millstone - ur doin it wrong |
| 14:39.27 | Stskeeps | loves his screen protector as well |
| 14:39.34 | Stskeeps | (not the nokia one) |
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| 14:44.48 | RST38h | hey even a touch with the stylus scratches 810 front panel |
| 14:44.57 | aladds | Stskeeps: setting up :) |
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| 14:45.43 | Stskeeps | aladds: woo :P |
| 14:45.48 | aladds | lol |
| 14:45.53 | aladds | sooooo sloooow :P |
| 14:45.55 | Stskeeps | aladds: have you had it keel over yet like it did with our initial attempt? |
| 14:46.02 | Stskeeps | with killing apt-get with signal 11 |
| 14:46.02 | aladds | not yet |
| 14:46.05 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:46.15 | aladds | but there's still time :p |
| 14:46.47 | aladds | wonders why he sees this message: Updating OpenOffice.org's dictionary list... done. |
| 14:46.49 | aladds | :S |
| 14:47.07 | Stskeeps | hehe.. stupid package dependancies |
| 14:47.10 | aladds | i hope it hasn't installed oo.org |
| 14:47.11 | aladds | :P |
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| 14:51.00 | Blooper | Oh hi, I'm a bot :) |
| 14:51.14 | aladds | has cold feet |
| 14:51.33 | aladds | i think i'm going to get some socks |
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| 14:57.58 | aladds | it's almost done |
| 15:01.57 | aladds | Stskeeps: done, reboot? |
| 15:04.11 | aladds | rebooted |
| 15:04.16 | aladds | WE HAVE X :D |
| 15:04.16 | Stskeeps | aladds: did dpkg --purge x-session? |
| 15:04.22 | aladds | i did |
| 15:04.24 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:04.30 | Stskeeps | is it booting? :P |
| 15:04.37 | aladds | it is |
| 15:04.46 | aladds | :D |
| 15:04.50 | aladds | picture time methinks |
| 15:04.51 | Stskeeps | feel free to show photo :P |
| 15:04.54 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:05.23 | johnx | woo! |
| 15:05.25 | Stskeeps | does touchscreen work? |
| 15:05.33 | aladds | yes |
| 15:05.35 | aladds | :D |
| 15:05.35 | johnx | 770 owners, welcome to the ... uhm...present! |
| 15:05.58 | Stskeeps | celebrates with a beer |
| 15:06.41 | johnx | congrats, aladds and Stskeeps :D |
| 15:07.03 | aladds | hah, it's even picture number 700 on my camera |
| 15:09.08 | aladds | http://flickr.com/photos/10211714@N03/2875802734/ |
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| 15:09.28 | Stskeeps | aladds: how is performance? |
| 15:09.31 | aladds | good |
| 15:09.33 | johnx | hawt! |
| 15:09.41 | aladds | but ideweasel isn't doing much |
| 15:09.47 | johnx | ahaha |
| 15:09.50 | Stskeeps | (tap and hold on taskbar and remove cpu measurement) |
| 15:09.51 | aladds | iceweasel |
| 15:10.05 | aladds | that's useful actually |
| 15:10.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, but takes cpu like a bitch :P |
| 15:10.17 | johnx | actually, watch cpu applet to see if iceweasel is actually launching |
| 15:10.21 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:10.23 | aladds | it's telling me that iceweasel is using up all the cpu and doing nothing |
| 15:10.32 | Stskeeps | try apt-get install midori (johnx?) |
| 15:10.34 | johnx | it'll come up in a couple minutes |
| 15:10.43 | johnx | yes, install midori |
| 15:10.47 | johnx | do you have some swap turned on? |
| 15:11.10 | Stskeeps | ah, it's only in sid |
| 15:11.51 | aladds | i have swap yes |
| 15:11.54 | aladds | i think so anyway |
| 15:11.55 | aladds | :P |
| 15:12.23 | aladds | ok i do now |
| 15:12.24 | aladds | :P |
| 15:12.31 | Stskeeps | it ran without swap? :P |
| 15:12.36 | aladds | yeah... |
| 15:12.38 | johnx | iceweasel might actually run eventually in that case :) |
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| 15:12.38 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 15:12.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:12.45 | aladds | :) |
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| 15:13.01 | Stskeeps | aladds: obligatory Deblet on 770 post and Show your screenshots i think ;) |
| 15:13.15 | aladds | haha of course |
| 15:13.45 | Stskeeps | aladds: if we are getting really fancy.. replicate my "booting deblet" video, apt-get install deblet-omap-fb-splash, dpkg --remove omap-fb-console |
| 15:13.57 | Stskeeps | and --purge omap-fb-console |
| 15:14.04 | treestone | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.11 | Stskeeps | treestone: insane person |
| 15:14.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:14.20 | treestone | :) |
| 15:14.23 | aladds | E: Couldn't find package midori |
| 15:14.23 | aladds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.32 | Stskeeps | aladds: yeah, it's in sid |
| 15:14.35 | aladds | oh |
| 15:14.46 | treestone | Interesting stuff there |
| 15:14.48 | Stskeeps | so you need to edit your sources.list |
| 15:15.13 | Stskeeps | treestone: no tablet left behind, now with 770 :> |
| 15:15.36 | treestone | This deblet story, you're running a Debian alternative installation? |
| 15:16.02 | Stskeeps | treestone: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 15:16.28 | johnx | custom installer that gets you vanilla debian plus a couple tablet specific packages to add functionality |
| 15:16.42 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'm beating matchbox-keyboard into place, as we speak :) |
| 15:16.48 | treestone | Nice. I used to hang out mostly in #debian earlier. Debian person. |
| 15:16.58 | Stskeeps | treestone: still a lot to go regarding power consumption and stripdown, but it works |
| 15:17.05 | aladds | Stskeeps: so apt-get install deblet-omap-fb-splash first? |
| 15:17.08 | Stskeeps | aladds: yes |
| 15:17.12 | treestone | is reading up |
| 15:17.18 | Stskeeps | it probably removes omap-fb-console by itself, but needs purge |
| 15:17.21 | aladds | then do remove && purge? |
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| 15:22.02 | Stskeeps | heh, xchat? ;P |
| 15:22.13 | aladds | ircii |
| 15:22.15 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:22.22 | aladds | which i'm still trying to figure out :P |
| 15:22.40 | Stskeeps | irssi is prolly more useful |
| 15:22.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:23.00 | aladds | yes |
| 15:23.01 | aladds | :P |
| 15:23.02 | aladds | lol |
| 15:23.15 | aladds | anyway |
| 15:23.19 | aladds | splashscreen thing |
| 15:24.04 | aladds | is there any way to make the keyboard smaller? |
| 15:24.09 | Stskeeps | matchbox? |
| 15:24.13 | Stskeeps | we're working on it :P |
| 15:24.14 | aladds | mm |
| 15:24.17 | Stskeeps | or johnx may know better layouts |
| 15:24.20 | aladds | cool cool |
| 15:24.28 | johnx | I know a *bigger* layout that I prefer :) |
| 15:24.37 | aladds | hah |
| 15:24.53 | aladds | but it takes up half the screen :P |
| 15:25.03 | johnx | uhm, yes |
| 15:25.12 | aladds | i do like how i can drag it out of the way though |
| 15:25.38 | Stskeeps | aladds: we've done work to make hildon input method work .. but so far there's problems with beating it into submission with other wms |
| 15:26.06 | aladds | ah |
| 15:27.23 | Stskeeps | how's the install coming? |
| 15:27.45 | aladds | purging |
| 15:27.59 | aladds | purged |
| 15:28.02 | aladds | reboot time |
| 15:28.04 | Stskeeps | reboot yeah |
| 15:28.21 | Stskeeps | (tell me if it shows a splash screen :P) |
| 15:28.35 | aladds | it does |
| 15:28.40 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 15:29.12 | Stskeeps | video time ;) if it finishes booting up :> |
| 15:31.11 | aladds | i just filmed that |
| 15:31.11 | Stskeeps | hehe, okay |
| 15:31.11 | aladds | first boot with splash :) |
| 15:31.46 | Stskeeps | it's going to take some time to make the packages do this automatically, probably need to make some more support packages for 770 |
| 15:31.53 | Stskeeps | and the whole installer thing |
| 15:32.33 | johnx | I'll give h-i-m a swing right now since I'm having *no luck* making matchbox-keyboard report it's real location |
| 15:33.21 | aladds | ah |
| 15:33.36 | aladds | what happened to xkbd? |
| 15:33.43 | aladds | i know it's been abandoned |
| 15:33.51 | aladds | but it was pretty good when i used it |
| 15:34.10 | aladds | also, has anyone tried xstroke on deblet? |
| 15:34.20 | johnx | you can be the first :) |
| 15:34.25 | aladds | :D |
| 15:34.42 | johnx | welcome to the frontier :) |
| 15:34.48 | aladds | woo! |
| 15:36.31 | aladds | oo |
| 15:36.38 | aladds | can we use ipk packages from handhelds.org? |
| 15:36.55 | aladds | because they're already compiled for arm |
| 15:37.07 | aladds | is thinking perhaps alien could convert then to debs? |
| 15:37.10 | johnx | probably not |
| 15:37.28 | johnx | hmm...it depends on how optimized their are I guess |
| 15:37.49 | aladds | isn't familiar debian based anyway? |
| 15:38.01 | johnx | so is maemo |
| 15:38.05 | aladds | exactly |
| 15:38.06 | johnx | both started from debian a long time ago |
| 15:38.24 | aladds | so ipk probably isn't much different from deb |
| 15:38.29 | johnx | I mean a monkey is basically a human, so it makes sense to have a gorilla for a CEO |
| 15:38.34 | aladds | :P |
| 15:38.45 | aladds | that's been done |
| 15:38.59 | aladds | how else would any company ship vista? |
| 15:39.01 | johnx | but the way things are linked, what CPU they're optimized for, what the packages are named, can all be problems |
| 15:39.26 | johnx | because they know they can ship anything and people will still buy it? |
| 15:39.51 | aladds | hmm perhaps |
| 15:40.03 | aladds | people are trying not to though |
| 15:40.03 | johnx | so try it |
| 15:40.07 | johnx | and tell us how it works :P |
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| 15:40.13 | aladds | lol ok |
| 15:40.23 | aladds | or i could just compile it |
| 15:40.31 | aladds | the sources aren't very big |
| 15:40.37 | johnx | that would be best I think :) |
| 15:41.22 | johnx | you could also just grab the binary from the ipk and run it without installing it |
| 15:43.35 | BugBlue | mmm isn't therer a flasher for mac os X intel? |
| 15:43.46 | aladds | BugBlue: nope |
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| 15:43.58 | aladds | BugBlue: there is a GUI flasher though |
| 15:44.08 | aladds | called 770Flasher.app |
| 15:44.22 | aladds | uses a ppc binary though |
| 15:44.40 | BugBlue | ah yeah oke |
| 15:44.47 | BugBlue | can I use it to flash the N810? |
| 15:45.00 | aladds | dunno |
| 15:45.07 | aladds | it uses the flasher-2.0 |
| 15:45.42 | aladds | dillo is crazy fast |
| 15:45.51 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 15:45.52 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 15:45.58 | aladds | even though its rendering is AWFUL :P |
| 15:47.50 | aladds | and it wont stay logged into ITT :( |
| 15:49.18 | aladds | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRF-fBrGEM |
| 15:49.33 | aladds | in the video it shuts down, then boots up |
| 15:49.40 | aladds | to X11 :D |
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| 15:54.06 | johnx | w00! h-i-m sets its WM_CLASS |
| 15:54.09 | johnx | 1 point for Nokia |
| 15:54.40 | aladds | easiest way to take a screenshot? |
| 15:54.54 | johnx | xwd -root -out foo.xwd |
| 15:54.57 | aladds | cat /dev/fb0 > flle gives what i assume is a raw image? |
| 15:55.02 | aladds | oh cool |
| 15:55.37 | aladds | didn't like that |
| 15:55.45 | aladds | does it have to be run within x11? |
| 15:55.58 | Stskeeps | install imagemagick instead |
| 15:56.01 | Stskeeps | and import -window root |
| 15:56.07 | Stskeeps | and import -window root filename.png or something |
| 15:56.12 | aladds | ok |
| 15:56.19 | qwerty12 | aladds: I use fbgrab when taking screenshots using framebuffer (worked for me to take a screenshot of maemo booting) |
| 15:56.32 | aladds | oh ok |
| 15:56.33 | johnx | yeah xwd is for inside x11 |
| 15:57.41 | ssvb | Stskeeps: what about sound on 770 in deblet, does it use aic23 codec and alsa? |
| 16:02.43 | ssvb | I'm just interested in using sound and DSP without proprietary binary blobs, never tried deblet myself |
| 16:03.18 | aladds | yeah there isn't any sound atm |
| 16:03.38 | mavhc | if you want a decent fast browser without javascript try netsurf |
| 16:03.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, did you already try to use openbox's window matching against h-i-m? |
| 16:04.17 | aladds | netsurf! |
| 16:04.26 | aladds | has used netsurf on RISC OS :D |
| 16:04.34 | mavhc | see #netsurf also |
| 16:05.02 | mavhc | aladds: me too |
| 16:05.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: nop |
| 16:05.19 | aladds | has a Risc PC 700 w/StrongARM |
| 16:05.27 | Stskeeps | ssvb: it's not possible to use without properitary binary blobs.. i think, unless someone implements them |
| 16:05.39 | Stskeeps | we work around it with building .deb packages that are availiable in a local repo |
| 16:05.50 | Stskeeps | local as in on tablet |
| 16:05.55 | Stskeeps | we don't distribute them |
| 16:06.23 | Stskeeps | just give the source packages to build them on tablet and use as part of your ownership of your device |
| 16:06.58 | Stskeeps | it's not the best but i don't want to sacrifice usability over arguing legally over something that's basically a copy on the device just like a clone-to-SD |
| 16:07.41 | ssvb | Stskeeps: I'm experimenting with enabling aic23 alsa driver in the kernel at the moment, I suspect that it might work quite fine, at least I get some sounds from it |
| 16:08.19 | Stskeeps | ssvb: i'm always open for kernel module deb packages |
| 16:08.39 | johnx | ssvb, that would be awesome for many reasons |
| 16:08.41 | Stskeeps | and contributions |
| 16:08.55 | ssvb | does deblet on N8x0 use nokia alsa dsp plugin, or it uses alsa driver in the kernel? |
| 16:09.08 | johnx | alsa dsp plugin |
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| 16:14.24 | ssvb | johnx: ok, I see, I'm mostly continuing what was discussed here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-June/022231.html |
| 16:15.05 | Stskeeps | ssvb: goal is ofcourse a completely OSS system, but i'd rather go from properitary pieces to OSS stuff, than start with OSS stuff and never reach level of properitary :P |
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| 16:15.16 | ssvb | it is possible to output sound from ARM side, unfortunately this does not seem to work fine with DSP codecs also trying to output sounds |
| 16:15.43 | ssvb | so this requires to scrap all the nokia codecs and start developing new ones |
| 16:16.08 | Robot101 | mmm.... debian on a tablet... :) |
| 16:16.20 | johnx | Robot101, terrifying, isn't it? |
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| 16:16.40 | Robot101 | did the ubuntu hildon debs make it into debian? |
| 16:17.03 | johnx | there's a semi-connected project for debian |
| 16:17.15 | johnx | but yes, the base hildon libs are in |
| 16:17.20 | Robot101 | the status area in recent hildons is a real notification area, so network mangler and battery monitor stuff should just work there too |
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| 16:17.57 | qwerty12 | lol @ network mangler. so true... |
| 16:18.28 | johnx | yup, I used hildon-desktop in debian a while ago...but without most of the plugins it's pretty bare |
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| 16:19.12 | Robot101 | oh nice, hildon-desktop is there, and dates and tasks versions |
| 16:19.27 | Stskeeps | aladds: any luck with video? |
| 16:19.28 | johnx | the package for modest is waiting to be built |
| 16:25.19 | aladds | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRF-fBrGEM |
| 16:26.37 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 16:27.36 | aladds | what would i do with an Imakefile? |
| 16:27.45 | aladds | rather than a normal makefile |
| 16:27.50 | Stskeeps | no clue, ipkg specific thing? |
| 16:27.53 | johnx | xmkmf -a |
| 16:27.56 | johnx | IIRC |
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| 16:28.22 | aladds | uh, more packages to install |
| 16:28.23 | Fatal | falls off chair. |
| 16:28.42 | Fatal | Imakefiles, haven't seen those in ages :) |
| 16:29.10 | aladds | :P |
| 16:29.10 | johnx | me neither |
| 16:29.10 | johnx | that took a real raid on long term memory |
| 16:29.31 | Stskeeps | aladds: think you should post a post in Nokia 770 forum to attract some people :) |
| 16:30.22 | Stskeeps | aladds: btw did you do dpkg-reconfigure dash? |
| 16:30.47 | aladds | i did yeah |
| 16:30.51 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:36.04 | aladds | notices that the backlight turns off when he closes the lid ) |
| 16:36.08 | aladds | :-) |
| 16:36.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, we use dsme so |
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| 16:38.02 | Italodance | guys |
| 16:38.05 | Italodance | i need u |
| 16:38.51 | Italodance | where can i find application catalogue in xterm? |
| 16:38.57 | johnx | Stskeeps, using devilspie now. h-i-m shows up the right size and place now |
| 16:39.03 | aladds | apt-cache search <name> |
| 16:39.05 | Italodance | infact where is it>? |
| 16:39.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: screenshot! |
| 16:39.10 | aladds | apt-get install <name> |
| 16:39.16 | aladds | as root |
| 16:42.42 | Italodance | hi johnx |
| 16:42.51 | Italodance | please can help me?? |
| 16:43.09 | johnx | Italodance, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:43.26 | Italodance | wait i will show u a screenshot |
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| 16:44.59 | johnx | Stskeeps, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/today-screenie.png |
| 16:45.22 | johnx | Stskeeps, note that I had to resize the window manually :/ |
| 16:48.23 | Stskeeps | johnx: a good step in the right direction atleast |
| 16:48.26 | aladds | johnx: that looks really neat |
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| 16:48.27 | Stskeeps | what WM is it? |
| 16:48.32 | johnx | openbox |
| 16:48.36 | Stskeeps | good |
| 16:48.38 | johnx | yeah |
| 16:48.49 | Italodance | http://i36.tinypic.com/2sbn2oy.png |
| 16:48.59 | Italodance | johnx how can i delete it? |
| 16:49.05 | Stskeeps | is that hildon-icons? |
| 16:49.08 | Italodance | it can't delete |
| 16:49.10 | Stskeeps | (i dont have those icons) |
| 16:49.55 | johnx | Stskeeps, yup. |
| 16:49.55 | johnx | Italodance, hmmm |
| 16:50.20 | Italodance | is possible other way without application catalogue? |
| 16:50.36 | Stskeeps | johnx: define resize manually though? |
| 16:50.43 | johnx | Italodance, do you know how to edit text files in xterm? |
| 16:51.00 | johnx | Stskeeps, I needed to resize leafpad so it doesn't overlap (underlap?) the keyboard |
| 16:51.05 | Italodance | johnx no? |
| 16:51.23 | johnx | Italodance, then there is no way for you to fix it. Just ignore it. |
| 16:51.44 | Italodance | johnx ok explain please |
| 16:51.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: ah, maybe a on top thing would be useful |
| 16:52.01 | Stskeeps | but yeah |
| 16:52.11 | Stskeeps | there's a WORKAREA setting you can set i think |
| 16:52.35 | johnx | Italodance, if it's not a problem, don't worry about it |
| 16:53.20 | Italodance | johnx i think my maemo repo and extra devel repo don't work fot that! |
| 16:53.41 | johnx | Italodance, alright then. Do you have root access? |
| 16:53.56 | Italodance | root yes |
| 16:54.04 | Italodance | type root in xterm and? |
| 16:54.21 | johnx | yes |
| 16:54.55 | johnx | do you have nano installed? |
| 16:55.12 | Italodance | no wait |
| 16:55.22 | Italodance | where can i find it? |
| 16:55.37 | johnx | one sec |
| 16:56.48 | johnx | on the bottom of this page: http://nitapps.com/ |
| 16:57.31 | Italodance | yes 1 sec |
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| 16:59.32 | johnx | Stskeeps, hmm?, WORKAREA setting? |
| 16:59.50 | RST38h | why isn't all this stuff (nitapps) in extras anyway? |
| 17:00.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: there's a way to tell the WM to minimize the work area of active windows, for example like taskbars do it |
| 17:00.34 | Stskeeps | http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/ maybe useful |
| 17:01.02 | johnx | right, the WM shouldn't let windows with a certain type set (like dock) be overlapped |
| 17:01.38 | Stskeeps | we can always patch h-i-m if needed |
| 17:01.46 | Italodance | johnx yes ready |
| 17:02.38 | johnx | Italodance, nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 17:04.22 | Italodance | johnx tnx 1000000 |
| 17:04.34 | johnx | Italodance, sure. no problem :) |
| 17:04.39 | johnx | tell me if it works :D |
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| 17:09.42 | Italodance | johnx i found it and want to delete it but the page can't save why? |
| 17:09.51 | Italodance | i used emelfm2 |
| 17:10.39 | johnx | you need to be root to save over that file |
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| 17:11.04 | Italodance | use root in xterm? |
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| 17:11.45 | johnx | yeah, like I told you |
| 17:11.49 | johnx | root in xterm |
| 17:11.58 | Italodance | and? |
| 17:11.59 | thux | debian seems to boot from sd-card, first try didn't work with initfs but flasher did set root device right |
| 17:12.04 | johnx | then nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 17:12.10 | johnx | then edit the file |
| 17:12.17 | johnx | then save with ctrl-x |
| 17:12.47 | aladds | xstroke is complaning about missing files in /usr/include/X11 |
| 17:12.58 | aladds | but i installed xserver-xorg-dev |
| 17:13.12 | aladds | well |
| 17:13.20 | aladds | the xstrike Imakefile |
| 17:13.21 | johnx | aladds, maybe the files are someplace else? |
| 17:13.24 | aladds | hmm |
| 17:13.45 | johnx | use dpkg -S filename to see if they've moved |
| 17:13.46 | Stskeeps | build from source http://davesource.com/Projects/xstroke/? |
| 17:13.46 | johnx | xstroke is pretty old |
| 17:14.08 | aladds | i'm using the source from handhelds.org |
| 17:14.14 | Stskeeps | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=69476 |
| 17:14.18 | Stskeeps | has .deb package |
| 17:14.19 | aladds | it's a bit newer and support full-screen writing |
| 17:14.27 | Stskeeps | (tar.bz2) |
| 17:14.27 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 17:14.42 | aladds | but the deb will be i386 |
| 17:15.01 | Stskeeps | nah, it's the source package |
| 17:15.04 | aladds | actually i have 0.5.12 |
| 17:15.07 | aladds | oh |
| 17:15.10 | aladds | a source deb? |
| 17:15.18 | Italodance | johnx i typed this line in root: nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list but said error opening terminal: xterm. |
| 17:15.27 | Stskeeps | arh, requires login to dl attachments |
| 17:15.29 | Stskeeps | silly ubuntu |
| 17:15.33 | aladds | :( |
| 17:16.00 | Stskeeps | packages.debian.org for searching for include files |
| 17:16.07 | Stskeeps | (bottom form) |
| 17:16.22 | aladds | i'll make an ubuntu account |
| 17:16.26 | aladds | won't take long |
| 17:17.24 | johnx | Italodance, sorry. I don't know :( |
| 17:18.18 | aladds | hmm |
| 17:18.23 | aladds | the package name is xstroke_0.6.cvs20040921-2_i386.deb |
| 17:18.34 | Italodance | i installed nano but maybe need ncurses-base_5.4-3.osso1_all.deb ? |
| 17:18.51 | johnx | Italodance, ah, yes. please install that too. |
| 17:19.02 | johnx | I thought you installed it |
| 17:19.05 | Italodance | ok |
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| 17:25.06 | Italodance | johnx i am there! |
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| 17:25.17 | Italodance | find delete and save it yes? |
| 17:25.23 | Italodance | manually? |
| 17:25.33 | johnx | yes, delete the line |
| 17:25.37 | johnx | then save the file |
| 17:25.49 | johnx | it should be at the bottom |
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| 17:32.06 | Italodance | how can i save? |
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| 17:34.39 | johnx | Italodance, hit ctrl on the keyboard, then hit x |
| 17:38.39 | Italodance | then? |
| 17:38.45 | Italodance | it want y or no |
| 17:38.53 | johnx | yes |
| 17:38.59 | Italodance | when i click on ctrl and |
| 17:39.02 | Italodance | y |
| 17:39.07 | Italodance | the page can't close |
| 17:39.11 | Italodance | it's normal? |
| 17:40.08 | johnx | what does it say? |
| 17:40.39 | Italodance | after ctrl and x: |
| 17:41.08 | johnx | after ctrl and x, hit y |
| 17:41.21 | johnx | then enter |
| 17:41.32 | Italodance | save modified buffer (answering "No" will destroy changes) |
| 17:41.36 | Italodance | Y YES |
| 17:41.40 | Italodance | N NO |
| 17:41.41 | johnx | hit "y" |
| 17:41.50 | Italodance | ^C Cancel |
| 17:42.26 | Italodance | yes i hit it by ctrl but page is still on and without close |
| 17:42.38 | johnx | hit enter |
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| 17:51.18 | Italodance | johnx enter? |
| 17:51.28 | Stslaptop | wonders if it's all the uni students going back to the uni town today since the train is absolutely full |
| 17:51.28 | Italodance | first ctrl and x |
| 17:51.35 | Italodance | second ctrl and y |
| 17:51.40 | Italodance | but no change |
| 17:51.45 | Italodance | ? |
| 17:51.53 | johnx | ctrl x |
| 17:51.53 | johnx | y |
| 17:51.55 | johnx | enter |
| 17:55.33 | Italodance | no changed |
| 17:55.42 | Italodance | one more time |
| 17:55.47 | Stslaptop | ctrl-q? :P |
| 17:55.50 | Italodance | ctrl and hit x |
| 17:56.01 | johnx | correct |
| 17:56.03 | Stslaptop | (unsuspend term) |
| 17:56.17 | Italodance | then ask me: save modified buffer (answering "No" will destroy changes) |
| 17:56.21 | Italodance | Y YES |
| 17:56.24 | Italodance | N NO |
| 17:56.28 | Italodance | again |
| 17:56.32 | Italodance | ctrl |
| 17:56.35 | johnx | no |
| 17:56.37 | johnx | not control |
| 17:56.37 | Italodance | and enter y |
| 17:56.38 | johnx | just hit y |
| 17:56.42 | Italodance | but no changed |
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| 17:58.11 | Stslaptop | johnx: so there's a fair possibility we can make h-i-m work for a nit-env-lxde (for gtk and maybe qt) apps? |
| 17:58.29 | johnx | it works, it's just not ideal |
| 17:58.51 | Stslaptop | it's basically you want to make the otherwise windows respect the newly sized work area? |
| 17:59.23 | johnx | its window type gets set to dock *after* the window is mapped, so I think openbox is ignoring it |
| 17:59.31 | Stslaptop | ah |
| 17:59.38 | Stslaptop | that's probably hackable |
| 17:59.44 | Stslaptop | the code that does it is pretty simple |
| 17:59.45 | johnx | I don't tihnk it has provisions for windows chaning types, which is the case when I use devilspie on it |
| 18:00.06 | johnx | yeah, if it became a dock from the beginning I would imagine it would work |
| 18:01.43 | johnx | probably the same with matchbox-keyboard |
| 18:02.13 | Stslaptop | i'll take a look at it later, this sideways driving in train is making me feel wobbly :/ |
| 18:02.13 | Stslaptop | bbl |
| 18:02.28 | johnx | alright, I'm going to sleep |
| 18:02.36 | johnx | Italodance, good luck |
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| 18:07.50 | Italodance | johnx |
| 18:07.53 | Italodance | no :( |
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| 18:08.05 | Italodance | my n800 hasn't a keyboard |
| 18:08.24 | Italodance | if i press enter then can see large keyboard |
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| 18:08.46 | Italodance | :") |
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| 19:40.58 | aladds | how do you make a deb? |
| 19:41.07 | aladds | i've got ./debian-binary ./data.tar.gz and ./control.tar.gz |
| 19:41.15 | aladds | apparently i need to use ar |
| 19:41.23 | aladds | but i don't know the syntax |
| 19:41.48 | inz | You normally make a deb with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ;) |
| 19:41.55 | aladds | well |
| 19:41.59 | aladds | i have an ipkg |
| 19:42.08 | aladds | which apparently can be converted from debs |
| 19:42.16 | aladds | and i can find loads of places detailing that |
| 19:42.22 | aladds | but the other way? not so many |
| 19:43.34 | inz | I would guess the ar syntax is something like ar q foo.deb file1 file2 file3 |
| 19:43.54 | aladds | aha! |
| 19:43.58 | aladds | i was trying to use m |
| 19:44.00 | aladds | :P |
| 19:44.03 | crashanddie_ | :P |
| 19:44.25 | aladds | ugh |
| 19:44.25 | inz | aladds, m is move |
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| 19:44.38 | aladds | well i thought "move into archive... |
| 19:44.39 | aladds | " |
| 19:44.40 | aladds | :P |
| 19:44.51 | inz | aladds, it's move _in_ an archive |
| 19:44.55 | aladds | it's now complaining that arm isn't the same as armel |
| 19:45.08 | inz | And it's right |
| 19:45.14 | aladds | :( |
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| 19:49.07 | aladds | so now i need to compile it for armel |
| 19:49.16 | aladds | does anyone have cross-compile set up? |
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| 19:51.10 | aladds | ah no wait a min |
| 19:51.30 | aladds | familiar (from where i got this package) is little endian |
| 19:51.54 | aladds | so surely, arm packages which are little endian should work on deblet? |
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| 20:01.19 | Robot101 | aladds: arm and armel have different calling conventions, thats why they're different |
| 20:01.34 | Robot101 | it's the arm new ABI, and also a new syscall convention too I think |
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| 20:02.19 | aladds | ah |
| 20:02.23 | aladds | sham |
| 20:02.26 | aladds | shame* |
| 20:03.19 | aladds | back to trying to compile it then |
| 20:03.44 | aladds | will xserver-xorg-dev install all the xlib headers? |
| 20:03.53 | Robot101 | unless the familiar binary is for "armel" rather than "arm" |
| 20:04.14 | Robot101 | (assuming they follow the debian naming, which I think they did) |
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| 20:04.44 | crashanddie | ~nick TaskBot |
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| 20:04.49 | TaskBot | crashanddie: Okay |
| 20:04.53 | crashanddie | ~part |
| 20:04.54 | infobot | /part |
| 20:04.58 | crashanddie | ~part #maemo |
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| 20:10.07 | aladds | has xlibs-dev been replaced? |
| 20:10.15 | aladds | and if so, what by? |
| 20:11.15 | crashanddie | ~help |
| 20:11.32 | blafasel | crashanddie: It left. ;) |
| 20:12.14 | crashanddie | blafasel, no it didn't, I wanted to query infobot |
| 20:12.19 | crashanddie | ~lart blafasel |
| 20:12.19 | infobot | raises middle finger to blafasel |
| 20:12.25 | crashanddie | ~lart infobot |
| 20:12.25 | infobot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats crashanddie until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 20:13.09 | crashanddie | blafasel, I'm just demoing the bots to a friend |
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| 20:13.42 | blafasel | I'm not offended easily ;) |
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| 20:22.56 | GAN800 | ~murder crashanddie |
| 20:22.57 | infobot | ACTION shoots crashanddie in his sleep |
| 20:23.45 | GAN800 | ~eat crashanddie |
| 20:23.45 | infobot | That's too disgusting. |
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| 20:28.17 | Stskeeps | aladds: i'll have a dedicated deblet qemu-armel at some point |
| 20:28.32 | aladds | cool |
| 20:28.44 | Stskeeps | http://newpeople.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ is a good qemu image |
| 20:28.44 | aladds | i'm currently installing xorg-dev |
| 20:28.45 | aladds | :P |
| 20:28.52 | Stskeeps | may need to be apt-get dist-upgraded though |
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| 20:29.46 | lardman | evening all |
| 20:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | 'lo, lardman. |
| 20:32.19 | lardman | hey GeneralAntilles, how's things? |
| 20:32.25 | lardman | did you see the presentation :) |
| 20:32.32 | lardman | ducks |
| 20:32.41 | GAN800 | Nope |
| 20:32.50 | GAN800 | Did anybody record it? |
| 20:32.58 | lardman | ah well, I have your wrath to look forward to then :) |
| 20:33.21 | GAN800 | sjgasdy meantioned something about my expense on jaiku. . . . |
| 20:33.52 | lardman | well, you know, pick on the easy (not present) target, to deflect attention and all that ;) |
| 20:34.05 | timeless | returns home |
| 20:35.03 | aladds | Stskeeps: xstroke is looking for freetype headers, any idea which package might give me those? neither freetype or freetype-dev seem available |
| 20:35.09 | GAN800 | No presentation, just a 30 minute roast of Ryan? ;) |
| 20:35.15 | Stskeeps | aladds: libfreetype-dev?:P |
| 20:35.20 | aladds | oh |
| 20:35.41 | aladds | nope :( |
| 20:35.45 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.47 | lardman | GAN800: not far off, all sorts of troubles with the presentation equipment, about 1/2 the presentations were ad-libed for the first few minutes while those were sorted |
| 20:36.05 | aladds | hm |
| 20:36.13 | aladds | apparently it'a installed |
| 20:36.17 | aquatix | always troubles with presentation equipment |
| 20:36.39 | aquatix | can only be amused about the amount of troubles even geeks have with beamers and such :) |
| 20:36.49 | lardman | yeah, for next time we should try to organise some laptops to be kept in the rooms and always working, etc. |
| 20:36.58 | aquatix | reminds me to check whether vga works correctly on my laptop ;) |
| 20:37.09 | lardman | aquatix: true, 200-odd technical people and still troubles! :) |
| 20:39.43 | aladds | anyone know which package might give me the 'bold' command |
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| 20:39.47 | aladds | ? |
| 20:41.46 | aladds | nevermind |
| 20:42.23 | lardman | dpkg -S "bold" |
| 20:42.39 | lardman | had to Google to remember |
| 20:43.34 | aladds | yeah got it |
| 20:43.37 | aladds | thanks though |
| 20:44.42 | lardman | np |
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| 20:45.39 | lardman | where should I look to work out how the xserver interacts with the screen, whatever that might be? |
| 20:45.57 | lardman | and specifically to look at how updates which are not full screen are handled |
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| 20:47.45 | GAN800 | vga adaptor time, eh? |
| 20:47.56 | lardman | yeah, thought I'd take a look at least |
| 20:48.18 | lardman | From talking to some Nokians, they thought the USB otg host was slow anyway |
| 20:48.37 | lardman | How's your one working? |
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| 20:48.48 | GAN800 | it works |
| 20:48.52 | GAN800 | but slowly |
| 20:49.05 | GAN800 | Interesting that the usb host is slow |
| 20:49.05 | lardman | has anyone benchmarked the usb bandwidth at all? |
| 20:49.13 | GAN800 | Not that I've seen. |
| 20:49.38 | GAN800 | Might bug -developers about it. |
| 20:49.57 | lardman | yeah, thought I'd try some tests first though just to see |
| 20:50.33 | lardman | have seen a usb2vga adaptor for £35, which is not bad and I'd get that even before working out if the usb thing is a show stopper |
| 20:50.45 | lardman | just need to find out the chipset so that it will at least work |
| 20:51.04 | GAN800 | Startech |
| 20:51.11 | GAN800 | usb2vga2 |
| 20:51.20 | GAN800 | Anything sis based |
| 20:51.36 | lardman | no, this is allegedly and oem product for scan.co.uk |
| 20:51.47 | lardman | but I presume it must use one of the two chipsets |
| 20:52.21 | lardman | but as they say with presumption being the mother of all, somethingorothers |
| 20:52.48 | GAN800 | I'd just get the startech and not have the worry of it being wrong. |
| 20:53.02 | lardman | expensive though ~£60 |
| 20:53.24 | lardman | and I hope the next device has built-in tv output |
| 20:53.46 | GAN800 | Wow, was only $60 |
| 20:54.04 | lardman | yeah well we pay the same in £ as you do in $ |
| 20:54.04 | GAN800 | It really ought to |
| 20:54.06 | lardman | :S |
| 20:54.12 | GAN800 | OMAP3 can handle it. |
| 20:54.37 | GAN800 | 640x480 framebuffer just for TV |
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| 22:16.38 | qwerty12_N800 | Hi, anyone know of a hex editor for the tablet? |
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| 22:22.49 | solmumaha | anyone know where pupnik is? |
| 22:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | No :( |
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| 22:27.36 | solmumaha | was he at the summit? |
| 22:27.56 | jott | no |
| 22:28.14 | yacoob | qwerty12_N800, if you don't find anything useful, vim+xxd could be the answer |
| 22:28.39 | jott | or use mc :) |
| 22:28.54 | qwerty12_N800 | yacoob: thanks, will remember that |
| 22:29.09 | qwerty12_N800 | jott: thanks, i've got mc on here... |
| 22:30.14 | jott | qwerty12_N800: just f3 and then f4 |
| 22:30.23 | Mek | hmm.. I didn't package kdeutils yet, else you could also use okteta :P |
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| 22:30.57 | jott | text-tools still rule the world :) |
| 22:31.02 | jott | hte is also very nice |
| 22:33.02 | jott | hte unfortunately only supports x86 disasm :/ |
| 22:33.24 | Mek | hmm... ony thin gI was wondering while on the train back, does anyone know if there are any plans to get a newer gcc than the old 3.4 one in scratchbox? :) |
| 22:33.38 | jott | oh |
| 22:33.43 | jott | it does arm now? ..hmm |
| 22:33.47 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, thanks! mc ftw. i'm doing a quick hack to load another model's fw |
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| 22:34.18 | crashanddie | bad news |
| 22:34.22 | jott | Mek: you can install a newer version - but that will break binary compatibility :) |
| 22:34.29 | crashanddie | I broke my n810 |
| 22:34.35 | jott | :( |
| 22:34.45 | crashanddie | screen is kaput |
| 22:35.10 | Mek | jott: yeah... I guess that would indeed be the problem... perhaps freemantle will use a newer gcc? :) |
| 22:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, warranty? |
| 22:35.26 | crashanddie | maybe, but all the paperwork is back in France |
| 22:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | Screen is kaput or touch panel is kaput? |
| 22:35.59 | jott | Mek: yes afair it will. would be pathetic if not anyway... |
| 22:36.00 | crashanddie | screen is disconnected, methinks |
| 22:36.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'd buy that. |
| 22:36.26 | jott | crashanddie: maybe you can just bring it to a nokia store without paper stuff. |
| 22:36.26 | GeneralAntilles | Not the first N810 I've heard of going dead by the screen disconnecting. |
| 22:36.28 | crashanddie | Keyboard still lights up, and I can still hear the sound |
| 22:36.39 | crashanddie | when I type on the keyboard |
| 22:36.42 | jott | it can't be older than 2 years anyway. |
| 22:36.57 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: you know what i suggest reading ;) |
| 22:37.00 | crashanddie | but no clicks when I tap the keyboard, no LED, and slider has a hard time opening/closing |
| 22:37.10 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, yeah, but I don't have the tools, I'm already looking at it |
| 22:37.28 | qwerty12_N800 | :( |
| 22:37.28 | crashanddie | I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of reconnecting it (I fell a foot or so) |
| 22:37.36 | crashanddie | it fell** |
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| 22:39.12 | jott | crashanddie: i would just try to go to a nokia store.. maybe they are cooperative... |
| 22:39.20 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 22:39.30 | crashanddie | I just need the tools really, I'm pretty sure I could fix it myself |
| 22:39.41 | crashanddie | it's just the closest nokia store is quite a way away |
| 22:40.03 | jott | yeah well but if you try so, you warranty is invalidated for sure :) |
| 22:40.54 | crashanddie | oh hang on |
| 22:40.58 | crashanddie | there's one in se15 |
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| 22:44.04 | crashanddie | awesome, a new one opened just two bus stops away |
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| 22:50.03 | lcuk | 915 words a day |
| 22:50.28 | lcuk | nine hundred and fifteen words a day |
| 22:50.44 | crashanddie | lcuk, I BROKE MY NIT :'( |
| 22:50.46 | lcuk | hi everyone btw, im still awestruck by how much i typoe |
| 22:50.51 | crashanddie | a little decency, please |
| 22:50.52 | lcuk | what happened? |
| 22:51.02 | crashanddie | it fell off the coffee table |
| 22:51.08 | lcuk | and? |
| 22:51.14 | crashanddie | no screen |
| 22:51.22 | GAN800 | He broke it with his ugly face. |
| 22:51.41 | crashanddie | GAN800, my face compared to yours is about as precious as the Queen's fanny |
| 22:51.49 | lcuk | hello high emporer antilles |
| 22:52.06 | lcuk | crashanddie, does the device come on and make noises, but no outp[ut |
| 22:52.13 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, exact |
| 22:52.15 | crashanddie | ly |
| 22:52.26 | lcuk | do as jott says |
| 22:52.36 | lcuk | he is afterall a superhero :) |
| 22:52.47 | lcuk | jott, did you find khertan after i left |
| 22:52.49 | jott | hey lcuk you chatty follower :) |
| 22:52.50 | crashanddie | keyboard clicks and lights up, but screen is just disconnected, but yeah, tomorrow morning, nokia trip |
| 22:53.11 | lcuk | shitter |
| 22:53.21 | jott | lcuk: i believe not :/ |
| 22:53.35 | GAN800 | Nokia needs to make the display connector less shitty in the next round. |
| 22:53.40 | lcuk | he mustv gone himself then? maybe he fell in the toilet like rm |
| 22:53.46 | jott | hah |
| 22:53.49 | crashanddie | GAN800, is it a recurring problem? |
| 22:54.09 | GAN800 | crashanddie, I've talked to more than a few people. . . . |
| 22:54.24 | crashanddie | yeah, so have I, over the course of my life |
| 22:54.37 | lcuk | i opened my suitcase and found a nice signed statement from customs that they thought all my technology was a bomb |
| 22:54.50 | crashanddie | lcuk, seriously? |
| 22:55.01 | crashanddie | lcuk, oh, you back in the UK? |
| 22:55.08 | jott | having two tablets is very suspicious :D |
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| 22:55.41 | GAN800 | . . . who had the same problem problem. :rolleyes: |
| 22:55.53 | lcuk | yer, "we opened your case and checked its contents because it failed the security screening, however this inspection revealed the true contents (chargers and keyboards and deoderant) and allowed it to continue on its journey unmolested :) |
| 22:56.06 | lcuk | the 2 tablets were in hand luggage |
| 22:56.18 | lcuk | i kept swapping between them - |
| 22:56.27 | lcuk | i had to flip the memory card out each time |
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| 22:57.08 | crashanddie | I think the worst was at TLHOPE, the keynote about camera-backpacks, the guy had a dvr --taped to one of the sides, a battery, a shitload of wire connecting the two, and ever since he installed it, has never had his luggage checked |
| 22:57.13 | jott | hehe you could have used wifi and made the plane crash :p |
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| 23:00.05 | Mek | "bluetooth device detected; do you want to pair with Airbus A380?" :P |
| 23:00.27 | lcuk | jott, no - the code expects some things on mmc1 for now as you know |
| 23:00.51 | crashanddie | Mek, "Please enter 2^128-character passphrase" |
| 23:01.00 | Mek | :) |
| 23:02.17 | jott | crashanddie: 1234 or 0000 will always work with bt devices :P |
| 23:02.30 | lcuk | hey, thats the passphrase i had on my luggage |
| 23:02.38 | crashanddie | the thing is |
| 23:02.47 | crashanddie | most people thing the passcode always is 0000 or 1234 |
| 23:02.51 | crashanddie | but what they don't realise |
| 23:03.00 | crashanddie | is that it's a code both sides have to input |
| 23:03.20 | crashanddie | so whether you input "1", or "6719", it's all the same |
| 23:03.27 | crashanddie | because you have to share the code to the other party |
| 23:03.37 | jott | depending on the device.. |
| 23:03.41 | lcuk | crashanddie, my demo was almost ruined by random act of bluetooth |
| 23:03.57 | crashanddie | lcuk, your demo was almost ruined by presence of yourself :P |
| 23:03.57 | lcuk | i had my apple connected inside my bag and it was randomly pushing buttons |
| 23:04.34 | lcuk | im fine demoing to a single person - once i am connecting with someone i dont care if 1000 people are looking over my shoulder at the big display |
| 23:04.52 | lcuk | but i fall to pieces if i have to talk on my own |
| 23:05.02 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 23:05.33 | lcuk | GAN800, has any video been released yet of the summit |
| 23:05.43 | jott | lcuk: your presentation went fine. |
| 23:05.58 | Mek | it was a lot better than my louzy kde talk :P |
| 23:06.09 | GAN800 | only the qa from Ari's talk at OSiM. |
| 23:06.34 | lcuk | jott :) thanks |
| 23:06.42 | lcuk | :) mek |
| 23:07.01 | lcuk | who are you by the way, your nick rings a bell - were you at summit with us |
| 23:07.20 | Mek | me? I'm Marijn Kruisselbrink |
| 23:08.23 | lcuk | and i ask the same question - cos not a single name jumps out, its been a very exciting blur |
| 23:08.51 | blafasel | lcuk: Which of the dozens of presentations you did to various groups of people are you talking about? ;) |
| 23:08.55 | jott | just look at some pictures lcuk :) |
| 23:09.20 | lcuk | yer good point, are pictures up? |
| 23:09.26 | jott | some are |
| 23:09.38 | jott | http://flickr.com/photos/tags/maemosummit/show/ |
| 23:09.44 | andre___ | summit was too successful - more than 200 people. way too many nicks, names and faces to remember... :-P |
| 23:09.47 | lcuk | i shouldv had a proper camera on my nokia - then i couldv wrote on who ppl were as i took pictures |
| 23:10.09 | lcuk | but thats future :) |
| 23:11.07 | jott | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2873383628/ :) |
| 23:11.29 | jott | there is lcuk pressing space on his bluetooth kb :) |
| 23:11.48 | lcuk | is that th back of neals' head? |
| 23:12.00 | Fatal | lanyardorama! |
| 23:12.17 | lcuk | im gonna collect lanyards :) |
| 23:12.21 | jott | the left one is mek :) |
| 23:12.23 | jott | i think |
| 23:12.49 | Mek | yeah, that is me |
| 23:13.38 | jott | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2872557861/ lol there is mek in the first row looking a bit annoyed/bored :) |
| 23:14.07 | Mek | tired :P |
| 23:14.23 | lcuk | :D ahhhhh a face |
| 23:15.32 | lcuk | did you have far to travel |
| 23:15.44 | Mek | 7 hours by train... |
| 23:16.04 | lcuk | if you were khertan you would have made a new app by now |
| 23:16.24 | crashanddie | I made 3 different apps last night |
| 23:16.30 | crashanddie | and deleted two today |
| 23:17.17 | crashanddie | I'm pissed |
| 23:17.19 | crashanddie | I'm a bit tipsy |
| 23:17.22 | crashanddie | I'm calling it a night |
| 23:17.24 | crashanddie | 'later |
| 23:17.50 | lcuk | gnite crash |
| 23:17.59 | lcuk | go2nokia tomorrow |
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| 23:18.29 | lcuk | my shoulders hurt and arms ache |
| 23:18.37 | lcuk | and feet are tired :) |
| 23:19.02 | lcuk | hey jott, i think i "get" the metro/transport system |
| 23:19.14 | lcuk | i managed to get to tegal by train/bus |
| 23:19.56 | jott | heh it must have been of use putting the "Map" button in liqbase ;) |
| 23:20.52 | lcuk | yer, as a hack it worked, but im not a mapping person :) |
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| 23:22.53 | lcuk | jott, thanks for finding the pictures, i was feeling a bit miffed i didnt sit and capture some myself |
| 23:23.04 | jott | hehe but the map made one aware how bad yuv is for colored text :) |
| 23:23.14 | lcuk | will thank thoughtfix himself when he sees him |
| 23:23.31 | lcuk | not really, that was simply bitmap scaling |
| 23:23.55 | lcuk | at native size its not so bad - ill see if i can get a test in soon |
| 23:25.26 | jott | your eyes are so bad dude :P |
| 23:26.30 | lcuk | indeed they are |
| 23:26.44 | n800m | http://engadget.com |
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| 23:30.13 | jott | qwerty12_N800: i just uploaded ht to extras-devel :) |
| 23:31.32 | qwerty12_N800 | jott: thanks! sounds cool, i'll grab the deb when it uploads :) |
| 23:31.40 | jott | it's up :) |
| 23:31.55 | jott | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/h/ht/ |
| 23:32.51 | lcuk | but what is it |
| 23:33.15 | jott | lcuk: hex-editor with integrated disassembler and elf parser |
| 23:33.22 | jott | (console based) |
| 23:33.37 | lcuk | would it use the pg up/down buttons on the toolbar? |
| 23:33.56 | lcuk | wondered what they were there for because they dont do what they say on the tin with actual console data |
| 23:34.26 | jott | yes you can navigate with pg up/down :) |
| 23:34.36 | lcuk | rm_you had some strange console editor open the other day and i couldn use it ;) |
| 23:34.45 | qwerty12_N800 | jott: installed but it wont respond to my taps :) |
| 23:34.50 | lcuk | good, then its got a gui and it might work for me :D |
| 23:35.15 | jott | qwerty12_N800: ah it does not seem to have mouse support :) |
| 23:35.25 | jott | keyboard only ;> |
| 23:35.35 | qwerty12_N800 | that's me SOL :) |
| 23:36.44 | jott | it reassembles the turbo pascal tui style :) what was it called again.. |
| 23:38.22 | lcuk | didnt dos have a mouse driver though? |
| 23:38.28 | lcuk | with a cursor as big as a yuv pixel ;0 |
| 23:38.55 | derf | Turbo PASCAL's editor was awesome. |
| 23:38.59 | qwerty12_N800 | there was a lot of mouse drivers for dos |
| 23:39.26 | lcuk | just copy one over and run it (virus check it first) it will work out of the box :D |
| 23:42.47 | jott | lcuk: there where some tricks to get a "real" mouse pointer in text mode like playing with the fonts :) |
| 23:42.54 | lcuk | jott, next time i come to berlin, we have to go for a drink in cbase |
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| 23:43.03 | jott | yer sure. |
| 23:44.00 | lcuk | they were havin a hackfest there this afternoon - the guy who looked like vin diesel said they partied real hard on sat night and i dont doubt it :) |
| 23:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if there's been any progress on the contact details for Freenode. . . . |
| 23:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | could really go for a maemo.org cloak. |
| 23:49.28 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, how long you been working on it? |
| 23:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade filed a request a couple months ago. |
| 23:49.44 | crashanddie | lol... |
| 23:50.04 | crashanddie | We got the securabit cloak in two weeks time |
| 23:50.07 | jott | GeneralAntilles hey you are a offical pdpc supporter. so make you donations dance :) |
| 23:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:50.30 | GeneralAntilles | I do have a line in with a couple staffers. |
| 23:50.55 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, seriously though, talk directly to a few opers |
| 23:51.10 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, if you play your cards right, they'll ask for a list of people |
| 23:51.59 | jott | heh GeneralAntilles just wants to show off with a maemo/council/chairman cloak :) |
| 23:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:52.19 | crashanddie | heh |
| 23:52.24 | crashanddie | not possible though :P |
| 23:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | s/talk directly/yell at X-Fade to "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!"/ |
| 23:52.41 | crashanddie | maemo/council/GeneralAntilles is the best you'd get |
| 23:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org/council/GeneralAntilles |
| 23:53.09 | crashanddie | I don't think maemo.org will be possible |
| 23:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | No periods? |
| 23:53.22 | crashanddie | no websites |
| 23:53.23 | GeneralAntilles | I swear I've seen periods. . . . |
| 23:53.35 | crashanddie | periods are fine |
| 23:53.50 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 23:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's an organization |
| 23:53.53 | crashanddie | later |
| 23:53.57 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you have lost x-fade now - he played on a wii for the first time the other night and is adicted |
| 23:53.59 | GeneralAntilles | distinct from Nokia's Maemo. |
| 23:54.02 | lcuk | the servers are goin to hell |
| 23:54.05 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, ahahaha |
| 23:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | First time, eh? |
| 23:54.15 | lcuk | i believe3 so yer |
| 23:54.20 | lcuk | he was surprised when it was on |
| 23:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should mail him a copy of Twilight Princess. |
| 23:54.22 | crashanddie | First time always hurts |
| 23:54.45 | GeneralAntilles | and Wario Ware |
| 23:54.48 | jott | crashanddie: why wouldn't maemo/council/chairman be possible? |
| 23:54.49 | GeneralAntilles | He'll implode. |
| 23:55.04 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, some of the newer games dont come close to the socialability of original sports (which was what was on) |
| 23:55.06 | jott | "Unique identifier" sounds like it can be chairman too .. |
| 23:55.06 | crashanddie | jott, cuz the last part is the nickname |
| 23:55.14 | jott | mo "unique identifier" |
| 23:55.21 | jott | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloakformat |
| 23:55.39 | crashanddie | dunno |
| 23:55.45 | n800m | http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a107_speed.jpg |
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| 23:57.36 | lcuk | wtf @ ballmer http://uk.gizmodo.com/ |
| 23:57.51 | lcuk | hes even more off his trolleyt |
| 23:58.36 | jott | this guy is on cocaine 24/7 |
| 23:58.47 | n800m | dude wtf |
| 23:59.18 | n800m | he really is insane |
| 23:59.35 | n800m | i thought it all stopped at flying chairs |
