| 00:00.14 | robink | is tearing out his hair. |
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| 00:14.39 | robink | just posted to maemo-users. |
| 00:16.59 | bucketj | is there an easy way to kill a fullscreen app that is not responding? |
| 00:17.33 | robink | bucketj: killall or pkill? |
| 00:17.48 | bucketj | how would i call that on the 770 though |
| 00:18.01 | GeneralAntilles | Press the home button |
| 00:18.36 | robink | or the home button :-S |
| 00:18.45 | robink | <-- embarassed |
| 00:21.07 | bucketj | and are there any passable themes for the 2007HE OS? |
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| 00:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | Plankton |
| 00:29.53 | bucketj | weird. maemo site's install link doesn't seem to work |
| 00:31.21 | bucketj | oh i can add the rep ok |
| 00:36.12 | bucketj | yeah plankton is nice |
| 00:37.20 | bucketj | what screen resolution do wallpapers need to be on the 770? |
| 00:37.59 | bucketj | nvm found it. |
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| 00:42.00 | bucketj | are there any decent desktop applets. i have no need for weather on my 770 |
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| 00:46.35 | lcuk | stupid bt kb |
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| 00:56.44 | lcuk | hmmm cani change the defult maemo font in the broserrrrrr without having to dive through the frozen about:config system? |
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| 04:31.41 | dick-richardson | I'm trying to install tiemu from Yann's repo...but I'm getting a 404...any suggestions? |
| 04:33.53 | dick-richardson | just use chinook? |
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| 05:40.42 | rm_you | why am i awake >_< |
| 05:41.10 | rm_you | and how on earth do i not have a hangover?! |
| 05:41.33 | rm_you | goes back to sleep |
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| 05:44.38 | Proteous | heh |
| 05:55.52 | rm_you | something is wrong with the world. |
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| 06:02.23 | Jaredu | yo |
| 06:02.37 | Jaredu | anyone know how to get MaQii working on n810? |
| 06:02.43 | Jaredu | i click launch for single player and it does nothing |
| 06:02.50 | Jaredu | i also have a question about maemo mapper |
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| 06:04.41 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 06:04.51 | Jaredu | thats somewhat depressing |
| 06:04.54 | Jaredu | noone talks D: |
| 06:05.04 | jiiv | sorry about that :) hi there. |
| 06:05.08 | Jaredu | heya |
| 06:05.21 | Jaredu | any clue on how to get maQii Quake ii working on n810? |
| 06:05.25 | Jaredu | or maemo maps |
| 06:05.35 | Jaredu | or both ;) |
| 06:05.47 | jiiv | of those i've only used maemo maps... let me see if i can find the page with prereqs, just a sec. |
| 06:05.58 | Jaredu | mmk |
| 06:08.14 | jiiv | i believe i downloaded flite and sqlite first ...still looking for the page i followed though. what does it do when you try to install? |
| 06:08.30 | Jaredu | i got maemo maps installed |
| 06:08.35 | Jaredu | but the gps i have no clue how to make it lock |
| 06:08.50 | jiiv | oh, gotcha. is this on an n810? |
| 06:08.54 | Jaredu | yes |
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| 06:09.04 | jiiv | and it's never locked so far? |
| 06:09.13 | Jaredu | im not sure how to make it lock |
| 06:09.25 | Jaredu | i deleted the maps folder when i got my n810 a day or two ago |
| 06:09.28 | jiiv | does the little satellite icon appear at the top of the screen when you open maemo-mapper? |
| 06:09.33 | Jaredu | one sec |
| 06:10.02 | Jaredu | nope |
| 06:10.24 | Jaredu | one sec |
| 06:10.25 | Jaredu | brb |
| 06:11.07 | Jaredu | gives me error connecting to gpsd server: retry? |
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| 06:11.19 | jiiv | what shows up under settings on the gps tab? |
| 06:11.47 | rm_you | in the maemo mapper settings window there is a tab about selecting the gps unit to use, and then in the menu there is a checkbox for enable gps |
| 06:11.52 | jiiv | mine has the radio button for bluetooth selected, and nothing in the blank after it. |
| 06:12.16 | rm_you | yes blank bluetooth = internal |
| 06:12.18 | jiiv | i bet yours is set to gpsd host. |
| 06:13.06 | Jaredu | yeah |
| 06:13.10 | Jaredu | its set to gpsd |
| 06:13.37 | Jaredu | i do have agps installed so that should help |
| 06:13.49 | Jaredu | ah |
| 06:13.52 | Jaredu | i see sattellite icon |
| 06:14.00 | Jaredu | establishing fix |
| 06:14.15 | jiiv | it may take a while the first time. seems to help if the tablet is vertical. |
| 06:14.41 | rm_you | also in th menu, under gps there is gpsinfo which is useful |
| 06:14.57 | Jaredu | ah neat |
| 06:15.03 | Jaredu | and maemo maps is free right? |
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| 06:15.11 | rm_you | yes. |
| 06:15.14 | Jaredu | awesome |
| 06:15.26 | Jaredu | would i still need the maps folder that came with wayfinder? |
| 06:15.32 | Jaredu | cause i deleted that and freed 1.5gb |
| 06:15.34 | rm_you | no |
| 06:15.36 | jiiv | maemo-mapper is definitely one of the killer apps for the 810 |
| 06:15.37 | jiiv | nope. |
| 06:15.41 | Jaredu | ah ok |
| 06:15.42 | Jaredu | awesome |
| 06:15.46 | Jaredu | 5.5gb free then :D |
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| 06:17.18 | rm_you | though the only downside is that you have to let the program download tons of map tiles in png format, since it doesn't use vector maps |
| 06:17.28 | Jaredu | :( |
| 06:17.41 | Jaredu | how do i get the maps if its not connected to the internet? |
| 06:17.52 | jiiv | they're not horribly large, though. |
| 06:18.00 | jiiv | jaredu: you can't, have to download ahead of time. |
| 06:18.00 | n800m | yes they are :/ |
| 06:18.10 | jiiv | well, horribly is relative i suppose :) |
| 06:18.13 | Jaredu | ah |
| 06:18.21 | Jaredu | where would i download the maps o.O |
| 06:18.24 | rm_you | either download your city and be done with it, or download along the routes you plan before trips |
| 06:18.31 | rm_you | menu |
| 06:18.32 | Jaredu | heh |
| 06:19.01 | n800m | i hope you live in a small town |
| 06:19.09 | n800m | maybe a village |
| 06:19.22 | rm_you | it can either download based on where you're viewing or along plotted routes automatically |
| 06:19.42 | Jaredu | hmm |
| 06:19.44 | Jaredu | well |
| 06:19.47 | Jaredu | im in texas >.< |
| 06:19.58 | jiiv | really? where at? |
| 06:20.02 | Jaredu | near austin |
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| 06:20.13 | jiiv | ah, neat. i'm up near denton. |
| 06:20.16 | Jaredu | ah |
| 06:20.19 | rm_you | i have all of seattle and san antonio downloaded... not small cities :P |
| 06:20.27 | Jaredu | lol |
| 06:20.31 | rm_you | ah i go to school in SA |
| 06:20.47 | Jaredu | i go to school in austin |
| 06:20.48 | jiiv | apparently it's texan night or something in here. |
| 06:20.52 | rm_you | in berlin for the summit currently though |
| 06:20.52 | Jaredu | 45 miles |
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| 06:20.57 | Jaredu | to and fro |
| 06:21.04 | Jaredu | 90 miles a day for class :( |
| 06:21.20 | rm_you | thats why it is so quiet. everyone is in berlin right now and it is 8am |
| 06:21.21 | jiiv | i wish i'd known about it ahead of time; i love berlin. |
| 06:21.54 | Jaredu | heh |
| 06:22.57 | rm_you | and it was free beer all night last night, tab picked up by nokia :P so only the insane people are currently conscious |
| 06:23.05 | jiiv | heh. |
| 06:23.13 | Jaredu | gps is still working on getting a fix >.< |
| 06:23.19 | rm_you | tries to sleep again |
| 06:23.25 | Jaredu | heh |
| 06:23.54 | jiiv | if you have the opportunity, i highly recommend that you check out http://www.berlinerunterwelten.de/en/001/001.htm while you're there. neat tours. |
| 06:24.15 | Jaredu | salesperson now are we? ;) |
| 06:24.42 | rm_you | very low on time now :( but thanks |
| 06:24.53 | jiiv | no, i just really enjoyed it. they took us on a tour of an underground civil defense bunker and some abandoned subway tunnels that hadn't been used since before the cold war. |
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| 06:27.35 | Jaredu | gps still at 1/5 |
| 06:27.40 | Jaredu | wtf L* |
| 06:28.15 | jiiv | :/ you may be in a place that sucks. can you try moving it near a window or higher or anything? |
| 06:28.31 | t_s_o | hmm, free beer and tech, sounds a bit counterproductive... |
| 06:29.22 | jiiv | yeah, but beer's cheaper than water in berlin :) |
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| 06:29.53 | elekt | and some of it is water |
| 06:31.11 | jott | morning :) |
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| 06:31.55 | jott | t_s_o: always remember the ballmer peak |
| 06:32.18 | t_s_o | jott: developers^1000? |
| 06:37.15 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 06:37.46 | jiiv | hi there. |
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| 06:52.52 | Jaffa | Next device is going to have haptic feedback, according to Peter's just loose tongue... |
| 06:53.48 | jiiv | haptic? like a vibrating alert? |
| 06:54.27 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 06:55.22 | jiiv | that would be a nice feature, though maybe hard on battery life. |
| 06:55.25 | qwerty12 | Cool. Any ideas on how the device will be suited for gaming? |
| 06:55.35 | Jaffa | No hints |
| 06:55.50 | qwerty12 | K, thanks. |
| 06:55.50 | Jaffa | Better hardware (processor & 3D), but in terms of input; nope. |
| 07:00.35 | jott | hki |
| 07:03.25 | qwerty12 | Anyone know if mac80211 was backported to 2.6.21? If not, I guess I'll grab the latest linux-omap tree via git :/ |
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| 07:26.36 | Mek | hmm.. anyone else have the idea that the network at the summit is much slower than yesterday? |
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| 07:32.51 | brontide | Quim Gil session starting |
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| 07:34.31 | qwerty12 | ~curse fucking linux losing my wpa key |
| 07:34.32 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, fucking linux losing my wpa key ! |
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| 07:35.05 | _berto_ | good morning guys |
| 07:36.15 | tigert | morning |
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| 07:54.37 | Mek | hmm... too bad... I get the hildon-input-method bar thingy when running a presentation in kpresenter on my tablet :( |
| 07:54.54 | tigert | turn off text completion |
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| 08:01.17 | jiiv | tigert: how does one turn off text completion? |
| 08:01.41 | Mek | (And how does one do it in a qt application :) ) |
| 08:02.04 | qwerty12 | Go to control panel and it's in the input settings iirc |
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| 08:02.24 | qwerty12 | If not, time to break out gconf-editor ;) |
| 08:03.21 | jiiv | ah, it's under text input settings >languages>settings |
| 08:03.34 | jiiv | thanks much, i've really been wanting to get rid of that :) |
| 08:04.14 | qwerty12 | rejoices as I master the art of writing to nvram using a cgi and a web page |
| 08:05.07 | Mek | ah yeah, that works; thanks |
| 08:05.49 | tigert | yea, in controlpanel, sorry |
| 08:06.11 | Mek | now I only have to actually create my maemo-on-kde lightning-talk presentation :) I can at least run it on my tablet with kpresenter |
| 08:06.35 | qwerty12 | Heh, that's cool. How will you be presenting it? |
| 08:07.00 | Mek | using the camera that is here anyway to show what's on your tablet |
| 08:07.10 | qwerty12 | k :) |
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| 08:10.42 | tigert | we should have the non-present council members live over video-gtalk with the cameera ;) |
| 08:12.30 | RST38h | With THAT camera? Umgh. |
| 08:13.19 | RST38h | wonders if tigert would be willing to do a few icons, for the good of the community =) |
| 08:14.26 | tigert | RST3why not |
| 08:14.34 | tigert | darn network |
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| 08:15.27 | tigert | there is no electricity here right now though |
| 08:15.48 | tigert | and my battery is almost dead on the mbp |
| 08:16.06 | tigert | what kind of icons? |
| 08:16.39 | RST38h | tigert: I have released my emulators for maemo (see fms.komkon.org) |
| 08:17.01 | RST38h | tigert: Maemo versions are free, S60 and Windows versions are actually shareware |
| 08:17.32 | RST38h | tigert: I am missing good icons for the Maemo versions. A really bad at drawing them myself |
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| 08:18.11 | tigert | for the app icon? |
| 08:18.15 | tigert | or ui icons? |
| 08:18.19 | RST38h | tigert: App icons only |
| 08:18.24 | RST38h | There are no UI icons there |
| 08:18.36 | tigert | ok |
| 08:19.15 | RST38h | preferably .svg to avoid drawing them at different scales |
| 08:19.20 | tigert | sure |
| 08:19.24 | tigert | svg is the way |
| 08:19.42 | tigert | but they need to be done for exact size preferably |
| 08:19.50 | RST38h | is more or less confident about fMSX and Speccy icons but the rest look ugly =( |
| 08:19.50 | tigert | to keep them crisp |
| 08:20.40 | tigert | so which ones exactly? |
| 08:20.50 | RST38h | iNES, MasterGear, VGB, VGBA |
| 08:20.58 | RST38h | Oh, and ColEm |
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| 08:25.04 | tigert | k |
| 08:25.30 | tigert | have you checked if tango project has some? |
| 08:25.47 | RST38h | I think I did, among others |
| 08:25.51 | RST38h | a moment |
| 08:25.55 | tigert | they have device icons, but maybe not retro gear |
| 08:26.25 | RST38h | they may have a joypad image that I currently use for some apps |
| 08:26.29 | tigert | yea |
| 08:26.30 | RST38h | NES joypad that is |
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| 08:29.18 | RST38h | There are some here http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/23899.htm# but they are 24x24 pngs |
| 08:29.27 | t_s_o | heh, that pad, in its euro/usa form, is a icon like no other ;) |
| 08:29.46 | RST38h | tso: Actually, Japanese seem to like their version as well |
| 08:30.07 | RST38h | And there are some cleaner ones here: http://stanleysy.tripod.com/skins-icons.htm but still bitmap only |
| 08:30.43 | t_s_o | RST38h: i would say that a scaled up bitmap add a bit to the feel tho ;) |
| 08:30.55 | t_s_o | big pixels, classic :P |
| 08:31.19 | RST38h | t_s_o: but not from 24 to 64 pixels =) |
| 08:31.19 | t_s_o | as for the controller, i think the gray one is better known outside of japan ;) |
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| 08:31.33 | t_s_o | heh, you may be right about that... |
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| 08:31.43 | RST38h | t_s_o: Those in the know, know both! (tm) =) |
| 08:32.14 | t_s_o | indeed, but i got to say, get much more of a toy vibe from the red and gold of the famicom... |
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| 08:32.37 | t_s_o | and the purple and gray of the super dont help either... |
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| 08:35.21 | mgedmin | canola will be open sourced! |
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| 08:36.56 | t_s_o | hmm, not sure if i should be interested or worried... |
| 08:37.05 | mgedmin | you should be happy! |
| 08:37.13 | mgedmin | how can anyone not be incredibly happy about this news? |
| 08:37.36 | qwerty12 | waits for a C port. python is a slow pos |
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| 08:37.53 | t_s_o | because i always found canola to be overkill for my use? |
| 08:37.55 | lbt | mgedmin: I'm happy :) |
| 08:38.06 | lbt | say "thanks" for me!! |
| 08:38.06 | RST38h | mgedmin: why does it matter, again? |
| 08:38.15 | lardman | anyone got a working driftnet? |
| 08:38.16 | mgedmin | seductive eye candy |
| 08:38.36 | lbt | mgedmin: I think the words you want are "STFU you miserable gits; they are doing the right thing" |
| 08:38.55 | lardman | :) |
| 08:39.07 | t_s_o | but then open source is always a good thing, thats why i have mixed emotions ;) |
| 08:40.36 | lbt | for those interested in sync/PIM http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/09/19/2023252.shtml |
| 08:40.58 | mgedmin | sync/PIM is a myth |
| 08:40.59 | mgedmin | it doesn't exist |
| 08:41.04 | t_s_o | thats the server tho, dont help much if the client can do sync in the first place... |
| 08:41.10 | mgedmin | I've never seen working sync/PIM in my life |
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| 08:41.21 | lbt | I have |
| 08:41.31 | lbt | it was glowing white and had a horn |
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| 08:42.44 | qwerty12 | kills whatever it was and drinks the blood |
| 08:42.46 | tigert | i think Filofax is a nicely working pim |
| 08:43.00 | mgedmin | but does it have sync? |
| 08:43.01 | tigert | ;) |
| 08:43.12 | tigert | it doesnt have to sync |
| 08:43.17 | tigert | its mobile ;) |
| 08:43.31 | mgedmin | what about backups? what if you lose it? ;-) |
| 08:43.57 | tigert | then you have nice amounts of free time ;) |
| 08:46.08 | woglinde | hi |
| 08:47.41 | lbt | hi |
| 08:47.50 | lbt | (damn this keyboard is slow) |
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| 08:53.45 | t_s_o | http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/how-maemo-approaches-open-source/ <- the begining of that second slide is not really promising... |
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| 08:56.59 | RST38h | well, it is logical for a business |
| 08:59.07 | t_s_o | true, but just means that they are trying to play both sides of the fence. use oss to save a dollar here, use closed source to lock the customer to the platform there... |
| 08:59.36 | mgedmin | the link to the slides is broken |
| 08:59.50 | mgedmin | (the PDF link, not the flash applet) |
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| 09:02.11 | t_s_o | i really hope the next set of ssu updates include a fix for that silly issue of connecting to saved hotspots out of offline mode... |
| 09:05.02 | RST38h | t_s_o: They are a business. How do you expect them to behave? |
| 09:05.09 | MishaS | t_s_o, you have a bug number? |
| 09:05.19 | t_s_o | MishaS: on what? |
| 09:06.01 | MishaS | t_s_o, on the issue you expect to have a fix? |
| 09:06.15 | t_s_o | RST38h: given that they sell hardware, like a hardware business. that is, after someone have bought hardware from them, they dont care what you do |
| 09:06.37 | MishaS | s/fix/fix for/ |
| 09:07.12 | t_s_o | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 |
| 09:07.29 | RST38h | t_s_o: "hardware" means nails and screws and metal piping |
| 09:07.45 | RST38h | t_s_o: Nokia sells consumer electronic devices, that is hardware+software |
| 09:08.01 | RST38h | Obviously, they want to stay competitive with their products |
| 09:08.17 | t_s_o | so stuff better hardware in their products ;) |
| 09:08.39 | t_s_o | rather then attempt to lock a customer to some service or software only they can provide... |
| 09:09.11 | RST38h | t_s_o: as far as hardware goes, pretty much all phone manufacturers use reference designs from their platform providers |
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| 09:09.39 | RST38h | In other words, there are no "hardware advantages" between companies using the same OMAP2 or OMAP3 from TI |
| 09:09.50 | t_s_o | woopie... |
| 09:10.01 | MishaS | t_s_o, it seems to have minor severity and low priority... i wouldn't have high hopes... |
| 09:10.16 | RST38h | You can of course stick higher-specced components in there (like 800x480 display) but your competitors can do the same |
| 09:10.49 | t_s_o | so they try to not become yet another commodity provider? |
| 09:11.49 | RST38h | correct |
| 09:11.52 | RST38h | not like HTC |
| 09:12.27 | RST38h | actually, HTC is also trying to differentiate itself by putting stuff on top of the horrible WinMobile |
| 09:12.47 | t_s_o | not sure i would call htc a commodity provider given the prices on their winmob phones... |
| 09:15.24 | t_s_o | heh, i guess i simply cant grasp the concept of greed : |
| 09:15.25 | t_s_o | :P |
| 09:15.29 | RST38h | they are comparable with nokia's |
| 09:16.26 | RST38h | or other winmobile based phones |
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| 09:18.08 | thux | hi, some documents tell to enable rd mode, but is there any tasks that endluser cannot do with rootsh (sudo gainroot)? |
| 09:19.00 | t_s_o | hmm, what documents would that be? |
| 09:19.04 | qwerty12 | rootsh works how the rd mode method of enabling root is |
| 09:19.14 | qwerty12 | rd mode root still makes you use sudo gainroot |
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| 09:25.11 | tigert | ssh root@localhost woeks ok too |
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| 09:29.24 | t_s_o | heh, never tried that :P |
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| 09:30.20 | eichi | hello |
| 09:30.44 | curl_e | kia ora (hello) |
| 09:31.05 | eichi | i want to use the n800 cam as webcam |
| 09:31.22 | eichi | maybe with piture uploads or something |
| 09:31.28 | eichi | is there a script? |
| 09:31.52 | eichi | i cant webcam with many people using icq, msn, etc camchat |
| 09:32.04 | eichi | so i could use this instead of |
| 09:32.18 | wnd | ssh-method wastes some precious cpu-time (and thus battery). I doubt the difference is significant, though. |
| 09:33.50 | qwerty12 | eichi: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20309 |
| 09:34.23 | qwerty12 | I find typing my password in to be annoying, hence I only use the ssh method when I am sshing into my N800 from my computer |
| 09:34.35 | sp3000 | it's not like it uses radio, and it's mostly coincident with other activity, so probably notmuch |
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| 09:34.51 | thux | t_s_o: some document how to tune n800, writer apparently didn't now rootsh exist |
| 09:36.05 | sp3000 | qwerty12: ...key? |
| 09:37.15 | qwerty12 | sp3000: can't be bothered to figure out how they work. I'm so lazy in that regard, I just compiled sshpass (supplies password to ssh automatically) |
| 09:37.26 | _berto_ | loves to play ghosts 'n' goblins in an actual arcade machine at c-base |
| 09:38.09 | sp3000 | qwerty12: that sounds complicated, but ok :) |
| 09:38.14 | eichi | qwerty12, hm, i have a problem with NAt, cant forward to my pda |
| 09:38.33 | qwerty12 | sp3000: heh :) |
| 09:38.44 | qwerty12 | eichi: Don't you have NAT Loopback on your router or something? |
| 09:39.16 | eichi | its UMTS. the providers does not allow incomming ports |
| 09:39.57 | qwerty12 | ah |
| 09:40.06 | eichi | but maybe i can use gstmjpg and make a upload script, instead of apache server |
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| 09:40.22 | eichi | i only need a picture for that to upload it frequently |
| 09:44.24 | t_s_o | how the hell did someone get hold of a prototype 770?! |
| 09:44.30 | t_s_o | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23741 |
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| 09:48.32 | mgedmin | aaaaaaaargh maemo.org is impossibly slow :( |
| 09:48.48 | mgedmin | eff this, I'm not going to edit the wiki |
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| 10:08.45 | mgedmin | quiet here all of a sudden... |
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| 10:16.26 | jott | everyone is sleepy i guess ;) |
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| 10:38.09 | woglinde | hi jott |
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| 11:06.24 | Jaffa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.27 | Blafasel | hehe.. evil |
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| 11:20.37 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: did you see the pm test stuff yet? |
| 11:21.42 | Jaffa | Not sure IRC isn't easier and better than this Jaiku thing. It is pretty tho |
| 11:22.25 | Stskeeps | irc was used to report from first iraq war and the russian coup, it's always better than a centralized thing :P |
| 11:22.39 | Jaffa | :) |
| 11:23.13 | Blafasel | i never even heard of jaiku |
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| 11:24.10 | t_s_o | from what i can understand, jaiku is a cross between twitter and irc... |
| 11:24.20 | t_s_o | and all with a basis in a web interface... |
| 11:24.53 | t_s_o | i wonder how many times i have seen irc be recreated, for better or worse, as a web chat system... |
| 11:25.10 | Stskeeps | wonders when the promised dsme comes on garage. |
| 11:25.54 | t_s_o | dsme? |
| 11:26.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, it was on "things put on garage today" along with stlc45xx |
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| 11:29.38 | rm_you | yeah i am wondering about dsme too |
| 11:29.38 | Blafasel | twitter? ehhh.. bah. |
| 11:29.38 | rm_you | who can i poke about it? |
| 11:30.04 | Blafasel | poke quim to tell you whom to poke? or kate? |
| 11:30.29 | Blafasel | quim is on track 1 currently |
| 11:30.38 | Stskeeps | there's been some power management test stuff but that's not dsme :P |
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| 11:31.08 | mgedmin | okay, the package cleanup sprint is massive fail |
| 11:31.33 | mgedmin | spent all the time fighting the projector |
| 11:31.46 | rm_you | lol mostly yes |
| 11:32.15 | Stskeeps | projectors are probably both the most loved and the most -hated- devices on earth |
| 11:32.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:32.35 | mgedmin | the sad thing it was working initially at 1280x800 |
| 11:32.39 | mgedmin | only it didn't look like 1280x800 |
| 11:33.08 | mgedmin | it looked more like 800x600 with lossy scaling from 1280x800 |
| 11:33.19 | mgedmin | but trying to change the resolution to something lower makes the projector go completely catatonic until you power it off, wait 2 minutes, and turn it back on |
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| 12:02.36 | madhav | Hi, im developing an application in gtk run's on maemo, im using gdkpixbuf to put images for widget's which act like a button . any one got comments on which one is faster type of image on X, gdkimage, gdkpixbuf, gtkimage, cairo_surface..? |
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| 12:34.21 | rm_you | which was it that was leaked? dsme or mce? |
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| 12:39.18 | Blafasel | rm_you: did you ask for the dsme release? |
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| 12:39.48 | Stskeeps | rm_you: mce was in HE sources |
| 12:39.50 | Stskeeps | DSME isn't |
| 12:41.41 | rm_you | Blafasel: yes i asked and got an answer: two weeks |
| 12:41.44 | Stskeeps | meh |
| 12:41.52 | Blafasel | hrm |
| 12:41.59 | Stskeeps | ten bucks it's going past legal because of cal.h or something |
| 12:42.05 | Blafasel | anyway, good that they provide it |
| 12:42.14 | rm_you | they don't seem to think it will be useful to anyone |
| 12:42.29 | Stskeeps | they're sortof right though |
| 12:42.39 | Stskeeps | most interfacing things are already reverse engineered |
| 12:42.39 | Blafasel | but that makes the big announcement less interesting |
| 12:42.47 | rm_you | >_< |
| 12:43.02 | Stskeeps | if however they provide API for cal.h.. |
| 12:43.12 | Stskeeps | then i'm on it like wasps on a marmelade sandwich. |
| 12:43.16 | RST38h | finds it disturbing that instead of writing/porting/fixing apps |
| 12:43.37 | rm_you | useful to ABL! though he said the 'dimming up' bug was actually fixed in new mce/dsme |
| 12:43.41 | RST38h | people hack deeper and deeper into stuff only nokia staff should be concerned about |
| 12:44.08 | Stskeeps | RST38h: after dealing with hildon gtkmm i decided it wasn't worth learning maemo API |
| 12:44.24 | Stskeeps | as porting is too much of a chore compared to how it -could- have been |
| 12:44.29 | Stskeeps | (better integration into gtk, etc.) |
| 12:44.46 | RST38h | Sts: well, it is more or less standard gtk |
| 12:45.13 | RST38h | And you could always write compatibility layer any way you want ;) |
| 12:45.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the whole set attribute on widget as set(key,value) instead of set_key(value) is just insane, and they didn't even bother to #define themselves out of it |
| 12:45.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:45.40 | Stskeeps | most things would be straight compiles otherwise |
| 12:45.46 | RST38h | Sts: Well, you can #define those yourself |
| 12:45.55 | RST38h | And include a single extra header file |
| 12:46.03 | Stskeeps | that's true, but that was too much hassle :P |
| 12:46.18 | RST38h | not really |
| 12:46.19 | Stskeeps | i like maemo cos of some of the power management support things though |
| 12:46.26 | RST38h | you can even do it with a script :) |
| 12:46.29 | Stskeeps | besides that, system hacking is much more fun |
| 12:46.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:46.40 | RST38h | Yea, THIS ONE I understand :) |
| 12:47.10 | RST38h | Still, it reminds me of reprogramming car controllers. Fancy but useless in the long run. |
| 12:47.35 | Stskeeps | well, i'm seeing stuff like deblet more and more important though, since Nokia is indicating they might want to leave tablets behind |
| 12:47.48 | Stskeeps | as in, non-N900 ones, in terms of OS upgrades |
| 12:48.31 | Stskeeps | and we might be giving the 770's a renessaince(sp) with supporting it (as we made it boot recently) :P |
| 12:49.06 | t_s_o | to bad mine is a permanent paper weight |
| 12:49.25 | Stskeeps | WSOD? |
| 12:50.11 | t_s_o | yep, and as i bought is at sale from expansys, its a us one, while i live in norway... |
| 12:50.23 | t_s_o | so nokia dont want to fix it :( |
| 12:50.33 | Stskeeps | mm, i will have the same problem if i break my n800 ever |
| 12:50.36 | Stskeeps | (.dk) |
| 12:50.37 | Jaffa | Yay! Beer |
| 12:50.39 | Stskeeps | bought it from us |
| 12:50.59 | Stskeeps | got cheated by a danish company that claimed to have the n800 |
| 12:51.05 | Stskeeps | had to involve the bank and all :P |
| 12:51.11 | t_s_o | ugh |
| 12:51.14 | RST38h | ~curse Clutter for being the source of useless incompa |
| 12:51.15 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Clutter for being the source of useless incompa ! |
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| 12:51.20 | RST38h | tible eyecandy |
| 12:51.32 | t_s_o | well, given the experience its probably the last time i buy anything from expansys... |
| 12:52.05 | MangoFusion | what did you buy? |
| 12:52.09 | RST38h | hehe, gentlemen, you should have tried buying stuff from Nokia's official US distributor |
| 12:52.20 | RST38h | THAT would make you think of Kafka more than once |
| 12:52.27 | t_s_o | MangoFusion: a 770 at sale |
| 12:52.53 | MangoFusion | i grabbed a bluetooth keyboard from them once. worked fine, but it had a few pencil doodles and residue from a peeled off sticker still on |
| 12:54.36 | t_s_o | hmm, didnt intel buy openhanded recently? |
| 12:54.39 | Jaffa | Yup |
| 12:54.52 | Jaffa | Once of the theories why mallum isn't here for his talk... |
| 12:55.54 | tigert | :) |
| 12:56.05 | Jaffa | s/Once/One/ |
| 12:56.06 | tigert | that has crossed my mind too |
| 12:56.14 | Jaffa | infobot: shush |
| 12:56.26 | infobot | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 12:56.27 | t_s_o | funny, given that intel made use of hildon in moblin |
| 12:56.32 | Jaffa | and matchbox |
| 12:56.43 | Jaffa | and clutter ;-) |
| 12:57.32 | RST38h | Not openhanded, OpenedHand |
| 12:57.50 | Jaffa | Indeed, good spot |
| 12:57.50 | t_s_o | heh, was going from memory :=) |
| 12:58.00 | melmoth | if i have 2 packages (a,b where b depends on a) in extras-devel, shall i promote both of them to extras, or only the top of the dependency tree (and the needed one will be automatically promoted too) ? |
| 12:58.21 | RST38h | melmoth: both, starting from the bottom |
| 12:58.28 | RST38h | or your users will have PROBLEMS |
| 12:58.32 | melmoth | ok.thanks |
| 12:59.09 | RST38h | And Moblin2 will be based on RedHat (bleah) |
| 12:59.26 | t_s_o | ... |
| 13:00.01 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well, it's still interesting since Fedora is seemingily ported to armel |
| 13:01.18 | RST38h | Sts: yes but do you really want to have anything to do with redhat? |
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| 13:01.34 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no, not really |
| 13:01.40 | RST38h | Debian I understand. It may be a toy OS but it is packaged semidecently |
| 13:01.55 | Stskeeps | and i don't intend to, people can use my tricks to get it running on tablet, but i'm not going to use it myself :P |
| 13:02.03 | RST38h | RedHat is a bloody mess, last time I checked it was anyway |
| 13:02.17 | melmoth | when was that ? |
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| 13:02.25 | RST38h | A few years ao |
| 13:02.26 | RST38h | ] |
| 13:02.26 | Stskeeps | my interest is trying some more with mojo's Ubuntu for armel (8.04) |
| 13:02.46 | Stskeeps | but for now my goal is getting debian stable, as ubuntu will basically be dropping in the debs |
| 13:03.09 | RST38h | Multiple administration tools with the same functions, hanging NFS ("because RedHat has shipped a beta kernel!"), disappearing icons |
| 13:03.35 | melmoth | Red Hat never ship beta kernel. |
| 13:03.47 | RST38h | melmoth: than whatever they shipped hung. |
| 13:03.53 | melmoth | buggy one, may be :) |
| 13:04.12 | RST38h | melmoth: And the funny thing is, we ran Enterprise edition supported by RedHat itself |
| 13:04.21 | melmoth | that s the only one supported. |
| 13:04.35 | RST38h | So it was *supposed* to work like a well oiled machine |
| 13:04.38 | melmoth | RST38h: use support, that s why it s there for |
| 13:04.58 | melmoth | well, they are always bugs. The more customer report them, the more they are judge critical |
| 13:05.25 | RST38h | melmoth: that is what FreeBSD is here for |
| 13:05.42 | RST38h | melmoth: dumb like a stump, works forever once configured |
| 13:05.56 | melmoth | i do not know bsd, but i wont buy there are no bug there. Wherever you have code, you have bugs. |
| 13:06.05 | RST38h | Oh there are |
| 13:06.23 | RST38h | But a normal user rarely sees them |
| 13:06.36 | melmoth | Bsd looks interesting, what i feel bad about it is the short term life expectancy (i think it s 6 monthes or something). |
| 13:06.40 | kpel | bsd is indeed reliable. and their community responds very quickly to critical bugs (e.g. security) |
| 13:06.55 | RST38h | You have to do something really weird (raid arrays, heavy multimedia, strange networking protocols) to encounter bugs there |
| 13:07.30 | melmoth | RST38h: same with RHEL, seriously, and raid arrays is not weird at all in a "enterprise" context |
| 13:08.01 | RST38h | melmoth: well, what I did was trying to save my phd thesis over nfs |
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| 13:08.13 | derf | RST38h: You fool! |
| 13:08.16 | RST38h | melmoth: if this is too much to ask from RHEL, then I dunno... |
| 13:08.18 | t_s_o | whats this, a distro/os shout-out? |
| 13:08.20 | melmoth | what i would find strange to pick a Red Hat based distro for a mobile stuff, is as was said; arm is not an official supported arch |
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| 13:08.42 | RST38h | tso: no just some bitching about redhat being messed up |
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| 13:08.59 | RST38h | melmoth: Moblin is not an arm-based distro |
| 13:09.05 | t_s_o | heh, im staying well away from all of the "established" distros ;) |
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| 13:09.24 | RST38h | melmoth: It is Intel. And being Intel, it is based on Atom and a few other chips |
| 13:11.52 | t_s_o | hell, outside of the surprising (for intel at least) use of atom in cheap laptops (netbooks) and small desktops, atom was specifically designed to be used in mids |
| 13:11.53 | hrw | elo |
| 13:12.20 | RST38h | t_s_o: What is surprising? |
| 13:12.42 | hrw | t_s_o: Atom is chip for MID and Netbook range of devices |
| 13:12.49 | RST38h | It is ia32. It runs Windows. It isn't really usable for mobile devices due to high power consumption. |
| 13:13.06 | RST38h | So, small notebooks are a logical niche. |
| 13:13.08 | hrw | t_s_o: there will be chipsets for both type of devices (instead of using i945) |
| 13:13.34 | RST38h | Next niche you will see Atom in is going to be set-top boxes and maybe even cheap media PCs |
| 13:14.01 | hrw | I think that Atom will land in lot of places as it use small power compared to other cpus |
| 13:14.22 | RST38h | It will, but not in mobile stuff. Not this generation of Atoms, anyway |
| 13:14.27 | hrw | especially when new chipsets for it will arrive |
| 13:14.43 | Stskeeps | eh. was the framebuffer in 770/n8x0 epson? |
| 13:14.51 | hrw | RST38h: the problem is lack of power efficient chipsets - i945 eats more power then cpu itself |
| 13:14.56 | RST38h | Blueray players seem to be a distinct opportunity for Atom |
| 13:15.41 | RST38h | hrw: Well, there will be an Atom-based SoC sooner or later |
| 13:15.42 | thux | btw has anyone port omap wince to n8x0 devices? what about omap familiar? |
| 13:15.51 | RST38h | hrw: No extra chipset. |
| 13:15.57 | hrw | RST38h: thats too |
| 13:16.09 | Stskeeps | thux: the problem is that you cannot use anything else than linux really for nolo, unless you crack how they boot it :P |
| 13:16.34 | thux | ok |
| 13:16.52 | RST38h | hrw: But again, the power consumption is too high |
| 13:16.53 | hrw | thux: show me wince device running omap2 cpu... |
| 13:17.06 | RST38h | hrw: there was one. a moment. |
| 13:17.23 | hrw | RST38h: power use of chipset yes, but not power use of cpu |
| 13:17.29 | thux | hrw: i got one omap 1510 wince |
| 13:17.56 | hrw | omap1510 omap850 are omap1 not omap2 |
| 13:18.20 | RST38h | Just found this: http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS8386777040.html |
| 13:18.49 | thux | ipaq got lot of omap winces |
| 13:19.05 | t_s_o | hrw: i think the use of atom in netbooks (and especially the market potential for those netbooks) surprised intel, given their lack of fullfilling demand... |
| 13:19.06 | hrw | thux: omap1 ones |
| 13:19.17 | RST38h | hrw: Power use of CPU is still bigger than OMAP2 and can't be throttled down as easily |
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| 13:19.24 | Jaffa | Nearly time for me to leave Berlin :-( |
| 13:19.46 | Blafasel | oh. that early? |
| 13:19.53 | hrw | Jaffa: events like summit have one problem - it is hard to meet each person personally... |
| 13:20.06 | Jaffa | hrw: indeed |
| 13:20.24 | hrw | sits in track2 (down) room |
| 13:20.30 | Jaffa | Blafasel: 1638 train from Hautbahnhof. Takes nearly 6 hours to get back to .nl to meet up with my wife & son |
| 13:20.37 | Jaffa | hrw: ditto, I'm on top-left seat |
| 13:20.46 | Jaffa | drinking beer |
| 13:20.56 | Blafasel | hehe. good |
| 13:21.13 | Blafasel | would love one as well, but need to drive later |
| 13:21.29 | Jaffa | Doh |
| 13:22.34 | hrw | RST38h: that link is a bout omap730 and omap850 which are omap1 cpus and are wide used in wince devices |
| 13:22.35 | Mek | (the train from berlin to the dutch border only takes about 4 hours I think :P) |
| 13:23.41 | RST38h | hrw: yes, I undertood that after your comment of no support for omap2 |
| 13:23.53 | Jaffa | Mek: Going to Appeldoorn on an IC (not ...E) leaves 16:48, gets in at 21:56 |
| 13:24.10 | hrw | RST38h: I do not know does wince supports omap2 or not - I just do not remember any wince devices with omap2 |
| 13:25.03 | hrw | usually companies use XScale 27x/3xx, omap850/730 and qualcomm. |
| 13:27.30 | RST38h | Samsung too |
| 13:27.36 | hrw | ah yes.. I forgot |
| 13:27.41 | RST38h | Samsung makes some ARM SoCs |
| 13:27.48 | hrw | s3c241x or s3c244x |
| 13:28.04 | RST38h | I guess this is what drives iPhone... |
| 13:28.12 | hrw | the problem with samsung chius is that they contain only 64mb ram in cpu package |
| 13:28.17 | hrw | iphone use s3c26xx iirc |
| 13:28.20 | hrw | arm11 |
| 13:28.31 | hrw | 26xx or 62xx - something like that |
| 13:28.37 | RST38h | It is weird that a SoC will contain any SDRAM at all |
| 13:28.45 | hrw | it is cheaper |
| 13:28.51 | RST38h | FlashROMs and SDRAMs are usually external |
| 13:28.56 | hrw | s3c2442 has 256MB flash and 64MB ram |
| 13:29.15 | hrw | thats why wince s3c based devices do not have more ram |
| 13:29.32 | hrw | in openmoko phones they use s3c cpu and external 64MB ram chip to get 128MB ram |
| 13:29.52 | RST38h | heh |
| 13:30.01 | RST38h | so external ram is still possible |
| 13:30.16 | RST38h | no limitation then, as long as access times are nog very high |
| 13:31.11 | hrw | sure, but it adds to the cost |
| 13:31.32 | RST38h | "Endeavour is now in place to act as a rescue vehicle if there are any problems with Atlantis, once they are in space. This is the first time one shuttle has been prepared to act as a rescue vehicle for another." |
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| 13:32.15 | RST38h | Scary stuff. |
| 13:34.23 | GAN800 | How'd the council presentation, go? |
| 13:34.35 | Mek | GAN800: we missed you |
| 13:34.40 | Jaffa | Well. A number of questions about process and stuff. Was good. |
| 13:34.52 | Jaffa | Etrunko had the latest version of the pres and was 10 mins late, though |
| 13:34.59 | Jaffa | disconnects until Monday night |
| 13:35.54 | GAN800 | Mek, got home from a crappy at 2am edt. |
| 13:35.58 | GAN800 | party |
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| 13:37.49 | hrw | bbl |
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| 13:42.28 | brontide | So how are those long walks on the beach? |
| 13:46.05 | rm_you | i think i need to take a nap >_< |
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| 13:49.00 | AFBN810 | Hello |
| 13:49.40 | Blafasel | rm_you: yeah, I'm wasted as well |
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| 14:10.43 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's differentiation bullshit is so laughable. |
| 14:11.18 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, hmm? |
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| 14:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | They're logic for closed-source stuff. |
| 14:11.34 | crashanddie | context? |
| 14:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/how-maemo-approaches-open-source/ |
| 14:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | We need more Advanced Backlights to show them exactly how retarded it really is. |
| 14:12.03 | RST38h | why is it laughable? |
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| 14:13.14 | suihkulokki | if it's so retarded, why is it working so wel for iPhone ? |
| 14:13.47 | RST38h | 'cause Apple does have the differentiation? =) |
| 14:14.37 | crashanddie | I'm starting to get a bit pissy at the non-stop comparison to Apple/iPhone |
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| 14:16.02 | t_s_o | i know, its at best a standard phone, but its hailed as the second coming whenever it shows up in the media or a blog... |
| 14:16.11 | kpel | i suppose it's unavoidable as long as iphone is the gold standard |
| 14:16.26 | t_s_o | and how the hell did it come out of nowhere to become that? |
| 14:16.33 | MangoFusion | as far as ui goes, i haven't seen anything quite like an iphone. except perhaps android |
| 14:16.35 | RST38h | crash: Just assume that it is all done by crazy people and disregard it on this basis |
| 14:16.37 | crashanddie | it's not the gold standard |
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| 14:16.42 | crashanddie | it's a fashion item |
| 14:16.54 | Steve_____ | MangoFusion: agreed |
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| 14:17.06 | RST38h | android UI is pretty generic, sorry |
| 14:17.13 | crashanddie | the iPhone is expensive, it's lickable and sexy like a Mac, android is crap |
| 14:17.22 | kpel | crashanddie: more pragmatically, it's a salesman's wet dream |
| 14:17.23 | RST38h | and the programming model is retarded, as far as I could see |
| 14:17.30 | crashanddie | kpel, agreed |
| 14:17.42 | crashanddie | RST38h, android is just java |
| 14:18.00 | RST38h | crash: It's not just java, although it being java contributes to the overall retardation |
| 14:18.09 | crashanddie | well, it's java reloaded |
| 14:18.19 | fred | win 558 |
| 14:18.20 | RST38h | not really. it is the same java |
| 14:18.21 | fred | oops |
| 14:18.32 | RST38h | + some quite artificial programming frameworks |
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| 14:19.45 | RST38h | On the other hand, iPhone appears to use LLVM for its binaries. A much smarter choice, if it does. |
| 14:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h/crashanddie, the laughable part is that they're depriving themselves of help from the community, while maintaining mostly mediocre UI stuff. |
| 14:19.56 | t_s_o | as as a fashion item, its the medias wet dream... |
| 14:20.05 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, have you heard about lcuk ? |
| 14:20.14 | RST38h | GAN: It is not laughable part, it is their supposed business model |
| 14:20.19 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, what about it? |
| 14:20.48 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, take Advanced Backlight for example, it's better, stronger, faster, and cooler, and was greatly hindered by Nokia's closed source UI stance. |
| 14:21.12 | RST38h | GAN: It is a minor addition though |
| 14:21.16 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, well, I'm not going to be the spoiler/squealer, so I'll stfu about it |
| 14:21.29 | crashanddie | But there's some good news :) |
| 14:21.46 | crashanddie | anyway, gotta run, take care |
| 14:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | If they would just open up stuff like that then we'd already have all sorts of better 3rd party versions. |
| 14:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, sure, because the barrier to entry for improving the stuff is so high since they're all closed. |
| 14:24.41 | RST38h | BTW, I disagree on Hildon UI being crap |
| 14:24.51 | RST38h | In comparison with iPhone - yes |
| 14:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's crap. |
| 14:25.07 | GeneralAntilles | I just think all of Nokia's little "differentiation" UI stuff is mostly crap. |
| 14:25.11 | RST38h | But please, compare it with WinMobile, S60, or any of the existing Linux based PDA UIs |
| 14:25.24 | RST38h | this is all they have to differentiate |
| 14:25.30 | RST38h | crap or not |
| 14:28.32 | t_s_o | while the use of specially compiled java in android makes it harder to work with, i find it interesting that one should potentially be able to swap out just about anything in the ui and apps |
| 14:28.53 | RST38h | tso: not different from Symbian, WinMobile, or Maemo |
| 14:29.04 | t_s_o | in maemo that would be like being able to make pidgin the default im or claw mail the default mail app |
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| 14:29.47 | RST38h | This is possible for all I know |
| 14:29.58 | RST38h | Just need to hack it a little bit |
| 14:30.14 | t_s_o | right, but with android there will be no need for hacks. its right there |
| 14:30.24 | t_s_o | iirc that is |
| 14:30.28 | RST38h | but in Maemo, it is just changing config |
| 14:30.42 | RST38h | and making your new apps supply right dbus interfaces |
| 14:30.51 | RST38h | Do you think Android will be any different? |
| 14:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I don't see it, t_s_o. |
| 14:32.22 | t_s_o | documentation, google is making it all available to anyone to do so without having to dig into the system and look for where they should connect... |
| 14:32.52 | t_s_o | just look at the "hack" needed to get some other player then the internal one to make use of different file types in maemo |
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| 14:33.14 | t_s_o | nokia didnt document for any other player to be used that way |
| 14:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 14:33.30 | t_s_o | at least thats how i understand how android will be |
| 14:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | Stuff like that wont exactly make or break a platform. |
| 14:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I don't care because it's a stupid cellular OS. |
| 14:33.59 | t_s_o | maybe not, but it will allow a user to make a device "his" |
| 14:34.15 | t_s_o | heh, i suspect android is more flexible then that... |
| 14:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | Java is gross, anyway. |
| 14:34.57 | GeneralAntilles | and google's got a lame stranglehold on Android. |
| 14:35.53 | t_s_o | more likely that they let the old android boss keep running the show his way, just like he ran danger and their hiptop. but thats very much imo |
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| 14:42.20 | RST38h | cellular or not, it is an OS |
| 14:42.32 | RST38h | Proven to run on N8x0 too =) |
| 14:43.08 | RST38h | But it seems to be based on several unwise decisions that will severely limit it usefulness. |
| 14:43.32 | RST38h | [see, how diplomatically I can spin the "it's gonna be total shit" idea? =)] |
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| 14:49.02 | t_s_o | what i want to see is a android running device thats not tied to t-mobile, and what price and hardware it will have... |
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| 14:52.46 | RST38h | t_s_o: Same price and hardware as any generic HTC phone |
| 14:53.10 | RST38h | It is pretty obvious, too, given that HTC produces 'em for Google |
| 14:53.18 | t_s_o | if thats the case, i guess ill go for a feature phone with 3G and use my N800 til i can swap to a pandora :P |
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| 14:55.00 | RST38h | which will be a little ugly brick with the old skool keyboard and joystick? =) |
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| 14:56.13 | t_s_o | heh, as long as it can run a amiga emulator at full tilt im happy ;) |
| 14:56.51 | RST38h | =) |
| 14:57.30 | RST38h | Something is telling me any OMAP3 device will be able to do that. |
| 14:58.57 | t_s_o | yep, but the pandora will be better equiped to handle the inputs |
| 14:59.35 | t_s_o | still, playing lemmings using a analog dpad for mouse will be "interesting" |
| 15:02.10 | RST38h | prays to Cthulhu again: "Mighty Deep One! You have heard and answered my prayer for an E70 replacement and made those Finns see the wisdom!" |
| 15:02.32 | RST38h | "Please, hear another one and make 'em add a decent gaming joypad to N9x0!" |
| 15:03.22 | RST38h | [ideally, this is where you slit the throat of a sacrifial iPhone fan] |
| 15:05.12 | Blafasel | I think I remeber someone with notes on his iphone during this summit.. |
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| 15:14.14 | rm_you | yeah |
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| 15:16.24 | Stskeeps | kulve: your fbdev-omap is complete but just not with Xv acceleration? |
| 15:17.37 | kulve | I guess that's not complete in any way. It's mainly stubs for the XV stuff that should be taken from the Xomap.. |
| 15:17.59 | kulve | (I haven't been doing it, just watched from the side) |
| 15:18.43 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 15:23.42 | Stskeeps | anyone with a OS2008HE around? |
| 15:24.55 | melmoth | how long does it should take for an install file to be automatically generated once a package is pushed on extra ? |
| 15:25.25 | RST38h | until xfade actually promotes it? |
| 15:26.02 | RST38h | in either case it is not like you can't create your own .insall file which will be useless unless your package actually appears in extra |
| 15:26.14 | melmoth | it is in extras |
| 15:26.21 | melmoth | the install file has not been created though |
| 15:26.53 | melmoth | but i suppose it s not done on the spot, probably a cron job, but i wonder if it s hourly, daily ? |
| 15:27.04 | RST38h | chech http://fms.komkon.org/EmuMaemo/fmsx.html and change a few fields |
| 15:27.20 | RST38h | sorry, fmsx.install |
| 15:27.54 | melmoth | the problem is not to create or host the install file. |
| 15:28.08 | melmoth | just to know how long it take to have it automatially availble here http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/install/ |
| 15:28.24 | melmoth | used to be automatically done with chinook. |
| 15:28.47 | RST38h | melmoth: is the .deb itself available? |
| 15:29.02 | melmoth | yes. |
| 15:29.10 | melmoth | but it s really recent (an hour or 2) |
| 15:30.20 | melmoth | package has been promoted and is available: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/s/sayhoo/ |
| 15:30.29 | melmoth | installation works with the application manager. |
| 15:30.35 | RST38h | weird |
| 15:30.54 | RST38h | it would be logical to both promote the package and generate .install at the same time |
| 15:31.24 | melmoth | well, lets hope it s just a cronjob that will be launched in a hour or so. |
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| 15:43.46 | RST38h | has his own .install files. Easier this way |
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| 15:52.59 | Stskeeps | 'lo johnx |
| 15:53.03 | johnx | hey |
| 15:53.05 | RST38h | johnx |
| 15:53.18 | johnx | m00 |
| 15:53.31 | RST38h | remembers the moment when all co.jp became ne.jp |
| 15:53.39 | RST38h | what a mess it was =) |
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| 15:54.11 | johnx | RST38h, I'm actually fuzzy on Japanese DNS history |
| 15:54.23 | johnx | but I guess all the ISPs switched from co to ne? |
| 15:54.28 | RST38h | well, at some point, Japanese ISPs used .co. |
| 15:54.44 | johnx | huh |
| 15:54.52 | RST38h | but then several large ISPs (judging from the amount of email addresses on my list) changed to .ne. |
| 15:55.00 | johnx | so odd that it ended up going the opposite in the rest of the world |
| 15:55.35 | RST38h | well, the rest of the world is basically .jp, .uk, .il, and US |
| 15:55.44 | RST38h | forgot somebody? |
| 15:55.59 | johnx | but I mean .net being only for network providers |
| 15:56.10 | johnx | then switching to open registration |
| 15:56.21 | johnx | and .org only for certain classes of organizations |
| 15:56.37 | RST38h | ah, I am not sure they enforced these rules very strictly from the beginning... |
| 15:56.52 | johnx | probably not |
| 15:57.04 | RST38h | .ru does not normally use any of these suffixes. Maybe for .edu. sites only, dunno |
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| 15:57.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw i've made a network-manager-gnome-showinall package |
| 15:57.19 | johnx | and .us isn't normally used by anyone with any sense |
| 15:57.30 | johnx | Stskeeps, showinall ? |
| 15:57.31 | RST38h | If I understand things correctly, most of Europe does not use suffixes either, for some reason |
| 15:57.45 | Stskeeps | yeah, "don't keep nm-applet to yourself, you insenstive pods" package |
| 15:57.50 | RST38h | johnx: still, I would love to have are.us or r.us domain... |
| 15:57.51 | Stskeeps | (it only shows in GNOME normally.) |
| 15:58.11 | RST38h | johnx: it would open POSSIBILITIES, you know =) |
| 15:58.27 | johnx | Stskeeps, ah, does that just add a line to everything's autostart? |
| 15:58.44 | johnx | needs to get his domain hosted again |
| 15:58.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: /etc/xdg/autostart |
| 15:59.13 | johnx | Stskeeps, ah cool. most other things pay attention to that? |
| 15:59.36 | Stskeeps | yeah, if they follow freedesktop standard |
| 16:00.47 | Stskeeps | how's your LXDE doing these days? |
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| 16:02.18 | johnx | Stskeeps, it's fine. I built the latest midori 0.21 and I've been enjoying it quite a lot |
| 16:02.37 | johnx | google maps is not just usable but *enjoyable* |
| 16:03.09 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:03.11 | Stskeeps | sounds good |
| 16:03.24 | Stskeeps | you're welcome to checkout nit-env-lxde and spice it up :) |
| 16:03.30 | johnx | leaving debian running with high CPU utilization for long periods of time (left screensavers on accidentally) seems to heat up the tablet enough to mess with my touchscreen |
| 16:03.39 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'm still finding an optimal setup |
| 16:04.01 | johnx | did you figure out a better way to deal with touchscreen typing? |
| 16:04.30 | Stskeeps | didn't go further with HIM since i can't find a proper way to get it to dock like in matchbox |
| 16:04.40 | Stskeeps | someone with greater X knowledge might be able to |
| 16:04.54 | RST38h | johnx: omap can heat up this much?!? |
| 16:05.27 | johnx | RST38h, my screen is somewhat sensitive I think |
| 16:05.37 | johnx | but 8 hours at 100% CPU usage makes things pretty warm |
| 16:05.58 | johnx | I have a fairly abused N800 :/ |
| 16:06.02 | johnx | it was a floor model for 2 months before I bought it |
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| 16:08.21 | RST38h | oh |
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| 16:10.41 | johnx | is actually really impressed with n800 build quality |
| 16:11.10 | johnx | every time I think about how nice it would be to have a sliding keyboard I also think how nice it is not to have any moving parts... |
| 16:11.49 | GAN800 | ^ |
| 16:11.59 | GAN800 | I'm in love with the stand. |
| 16:12.18 | GAN800 | It seriously has to be the greatest thing ever. |
| 16:12.23 | johnx | well, the stand barely counts |
| 16:12.26 | johnx | as a moving part |
| 16:12.42 | GAN800 | I always laugh at my mother wheb she tries to watch movies on her iPhone. |
| 16:12.55 | johnx | wow...nice of you |
| 16:13.00 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 16:13.32 | GAN800 | She has to hold the damn thing for the whole movie. |
| 16:13.46 | johnx | they make little stands that fold up |
| 16:13.58 | johnx | but yeah, it is one more thing to carry |
| 16:14.18 | Stskeeps | has managed to bend his stand a tiny bit :/ |
| 16:14.23 | Stskeeps | (fell) |
| 16:14.54 | johnx | yeah, mine has chunks eaten out of it from a couple falls to blacktop |
| 16:15.01 | johnx | s/blacktop/tarmac/ |
| 16:15.11 | GAN800 | Hehe, yeah, so does mine. |
| 16:15.25 | GAN800 | My battery latch is finally all copper now. |
| 16:15.39 | johnx | yeah mine too |
| 16:15.44 | johnx | looks better now that it's all one color again |
| 16:15.50 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 16:16.36 | GAN800 | I'm wondering what this thing will look like by the time the damn N900 is out. :/ |
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| 16:17.43 | nickpatton | Hello |
| 16:17.50 | Stskeeps | starts the unforgiving work of compiling mplayer from maemo in deblet. |
| 16:17.51 | johnx | hey nickpatton |
| 16:18.00 | nickpatton | I want to buy an internet tablet |
| 16:18.12 | nickpatton | Should I wait? |
| 16:18.24 | GAN800 | 8 months? |
| 16:18.32 | johnx | GAN800, you think 8 months? |
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| 16:18.43 | johnx | catches up on the forums... |
| 16:18.43 | GAN800 | 6-8 |
| 16:19.08 | GAN800 | Fremantle beta is march-may window. |
| 16:19.13 | nickpatton | GAN800: Are you talking to me? |
| 16:19.25 | GAN800 | Yes |
| 16:19.28 | nickpatton | OK |
| 16:19.46 | nickpatton | GAN800: You think it will take that long |
| 16:20.01 | johnx | so, are you comfortable with waiting up to 8 months for something that will certainly be $450+ at launch |
| 16:20.06 | johnx | ? |
| 16:20.10 | nickpatton | GAN800: no |
| 16:20.19 | mavhc | has there been a price drop recently? |
| 16:20.23 | nickpatton | GAN800: 450+? |
| 16:20.49 | johnx | nickpatton, the N810 started at $480 IIRC |
| 16:20.55 | nickpatton | GAN800: Thats a lot. Will it be a faster processor? |
| 16:20.58 | johnx | also, I'm johnx, not GAN800 |
| 16:21.02 | nickpatton | Ok |
| 16:21.26 | nickpatton | GAN800: Its just you can get an n810 for $350 now |
| 16:21.41 | nickpatton | Ok |
| 16:21.46 | nickpatton | johnx |
| 16:21.47 | johnx | $300 if you know where to look |
| 16:22.04 | nickpatton | Would you recommend waiting |
| 16:22.38 | johnx | it depends on what you want to do |
| 16:22.48 | johnx | right now, IM, web, book reading and email all work pretty nicely on the N810 |
| 16:22.53 | nickpatton | I'm gadget person |
| 16:22.57 | johnx | as does music |
| 16:23.10 | RST38h | GAN: omehow I doubt there will be new hw by march |
| 16:23.19 | johnx | if you want fancy graphics and games, and the ability to play back any kind of video without transcoding you should wait |
| 16:23.23 | nickpatton | I'll be doing music,video and internet, |
| 16:23.28 | nickpatton | Ok |
| 16:23.37 | johnx | do you mind transcoding your video? |
| 16:24.08 | nickpatton | what do you meen |
| 16:24.19 | nickpatton | like re-encoding it? |
| 16:24.22 | johnx | yeah |
| 16:24.28 | nickpatton | O no not all |
| 16:24.40 | johnx | then you'll be happy with an n810 I think |
| 16:24.44 | nickpatton | Ok |
| 16:24.53 | johnx | are you a linux person? |
| 16:24.57 | nickpatton | Yeah |
| 16:25.00 | nickpatton | Bug time |
| 16:25.05 | nickpatton | Big time |
| 16:25.11 | johnx | what are you waiting for, go and buy one! |
| 16:25.18 | nickpatton | ok |
| 16:25.19 | nickpatton | lol |
| 16:25.20 | GAN800 | RST38h, March isn't 8 months away. |
| 16:25.37 | nickpatton | alright thanks for the info |
| 16:25.40 | nickpatton | bye |
| 16:25.51 | johnx | ya'll come back now |
| 16:25.56 | nickpatton | ok bye |
| 16:26.18 | johnx | now, who do I talk to about commission? |
| 16:26.56 | Stskeeps | hehe. if i was to get commision for the people i get to buy tablets or hw, i'd be rich |
| 16:26.59 | RST38h | gan: that is not what I mean |
| 16:26.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:27.17 | RST38h | gan: I mean that if Freemantly is really coming in March, it will have to run on existing hw |
| 16:27.18 | mavhc | most video podcasts will play fine without reencoding |
| 16:27.27 | RST38h | s/Freemantly/Freemantle/ |
| 16:27.40 | Stskeeps | oh, neat - archos 5th gen was hacked with a bootloader |
| 16:27.47 | johnx | RST38h, or dev boards |
| 16:27.49 | GAN800 | RST38h, SDK beta. Not a real OS release. |
| 16:27.59 | RST38h | oh |
| 16:28.04 | johnx | or parts could run on the n8x0 |
| 16:28.13 | GAN800 | Beagle Board |
| 16:28.20 | johnx | for example gtk hildon apps might work, but not clutter based stuff |
| 16:28.22 | GAN800 | Did they demo a Beagle today? |
| 16:29.42 | johnx | ah well, pandora will be my first omap3 device then :) |
| 16:30.40 | Stskeeps | is looking forward to getting his beagleboard at work |
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| 16:48.27 | qole | try the dark czech beer |
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| 16:48.48 | rm_you | ono |
| 16:48.49 | qole | try the dark czech beer |
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| 16:50.26 | johnx | hey rm_you :D |
| 16:50.28 | johnx | how's it going |
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| 16:51.05 | rm_you | conference end |
| 16:51.18 | rm_you | status: success |
| 16:52.12 | johnx | success? Nokia replaced their old and busted light/volume applet with yours and slipped you a couple grand under the table? |
| 16:52.25 | Mek | lol |
| 16:54.55 | qole | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2873128256/ |
| 16:55.00 | rm_you | ok, i like your definition of success better :p |
| 16:55.17 | johnx | every time I decide to quit looking at ITT, there's always an impressive thread that brings me back :| |
| 16:55.53 | johnx | qole, posting links to private photos? what do I need to do to get on your friends list? |
| 16:56.09 | qole | private?!? |
| 16:56.23 | rm_you | it's private? |
| 16:56.28 | johnx | flickr says: This photo is private. |
| 16:56.31 | qole | gps photo makes it private?! |
| 16:56.52 | johnx | your account policy prolly makes it private |
| 16:57.26 | rm_you | hrm |
| 16:57.33 | treestone | It sent me over to yahoo.. |
| 16:58.01 | qole | weird. fixed. |
| 16:58.29 | treestone | confirms |
| 16:58.30 | johnx | so...that's success? |
| 16:58.51 | qole | gpsphoto flickr upload is broken, it seems. |
| 16:59.25 | johnx | also, no gps info :P |
| 17:00.05 | johnx | qole, you might want to check your settings on the flickr web page. it probably affects all new photos, no matter how they get uploaded? |
| 17:00.21 | johnx | s/ed?/ed/ |
| 17:00.32 | Mek | johnx: no gps in an n800 :P |
| 17:00.57 | johnx | I figured gps-photo would use magic or something (or maybe a bt gps...) |
| 17:01.02 | johnx | just poking fun :P |
| 17:05.17 | qole | no gps info on the photo, no... i have to turn on my bt gps |
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| 17:15.58 | Stskeeps | wow, qole here :P |
| 17:16.01 | Stskeeps | waves |
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| 17:16.35 | qole | rm_you got me on |
| 17:17.22 | rm_you | :p |
| 17:17.28 | Stskeeps | hehe, to join in the shared conciousness of people on c-base chattering about summit ;) |
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| 17:25.55 | qole | ...while drinking beer |
| 17:27.52 | Stskeeps | your easy debian demo went well? |
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| 17:31.48 | GAN800 | ehts uh qole |
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| 17:38.53 | johnx | why are "minimalist" themes all unusable? |
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| 17:45.34 | ccooke | johnx: because they generally fall into two categories: "Minimalist = Ugly" and "Taking things away but neglecting to replace basic functionality/essential information" |
| 17:46.38 | johnx | yeah. my big thing is that for some reason all I can find are "minimalist = everything's small and has poor contrast" instead of "minimalist = extraneous stuff is removed" |
| 17:47.20 | ccooke | Right. |
| 17:48.05 | dystopia | any news today? |
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| 17:48.49 | dystopian810 | im bored |
| 17:48.49 | ccooke | how hard is theme making, anyway? |
| 17:49.00 | johnx | depends on what you're theming |
| 17:49.30 | johnx | sometimes it even depends on how good of a job you want to do and if you have prior art to start with |
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| 17:51.06 | ccooke | The advantage of a *proper* minimalist theme is that it's generally pretty light on the artistic detail ;-) |
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| 17:52.22 | ccooke | For instance, what would work for *me* is an entirely black background, stylistic solid-white icons, a simple and clear font... Oh, and I guess a white-on-black analog clock on the desktop. |
| 17:54.40 | zs | hi, i would like to download hello-world-app from maemo.org but there is ssl certificate problem, how can i fix it? |
| 17:54.52 | johnx | i just want clearly distinct buttons that are big and chunky enough so I don't have to daintily tap them with a stylus |
| 17:55.12 | ccooke | johnx: hmm. The font doesn't control the actual button size. |
| 17:55.14 | kpel | ccooke: that would work for me too except from the clock. i prefer it digital like the underlying technology :) |
| 17:55.28 | ccooke | kpel: there's the statusbar clock for that. |
| 17:55.36 | ccooke | I *like* that. |
| 17:55.46 | kpel | actually asus did a nice job with the ui. too bad they don't use a more popular distro. |
| 17:55.46 | johnx | ccooke, this is a general rant actually, not maemo specific |
| 17:55.57 | ccooke | johnx: Ahh |
| 17:56.05 | johnx | zs, what's the exact error you're getting and how are you trying to download |
| 17:56.23 | ccooke | johnx: Hmm. I'm not sure how my preferences work with a touchscreen UI. I've not really examined them |
| 17:56.34 | ccooke | on a normal desktop, I prefer *no* buttons at all. |
| 17:57.01 | johnx | hmm? |
| 17:57.04 | johnx | keyboard for everything? |
| 17:57.21 | ccooke | my standard UI for years was a black screen, a round clock (white on black) in the bottom left and a standard placement of three terminals that appear on login. |
| 17:58.01 | johnx | what did you do for web browsing? |
| 17:58.01 | johnx | links? |
| 17:58.07 | ccooke | alt-Enter for a new terminal, the three standard ones automatically start running screen (so I don't need a new terminal often) and a system menu on alt-F1 |
| 17:58.46 | zs | johnx: can i paste here link to that page? |
| 17:58.49 | ccooke | web browsing... back when I used WindowMaker, I had it set to automatically start firefox on login on desktop 2, maximised and widgetless. |
| 17:59.03 | ccooke | with alt-<number> set to switch to desktop <number> |
| 17:59.09 | johnx | zs, sure, go for it |
| 17:59.24 | zs | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html |
| 17:59.39 | zs | and i am trying to download hello-world-app |
| 18:00.10 | johnx | zs, "add an exception" |
| 18:00.21 | johnx | it's a self signed certificate, right? |
| 18:01.15 | johnx | actually, can't tell why this cert isn't valid |
| 18:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, Reggie's sorta impeding progress on making itT's minimalist theme nice. |
| 18:01.39 | trash | johnx: "The certificate is only valid for maemo.org" That's why. |
| 18:01.59 | johnx | ah, right |
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| 18:02.40 | zs | johnx: add an exception doesn't work for me, i got an error :/ |
| 18:03.23 | trash | zs: Because the file is not there anymore. '404 Not Found' |
| 18:03.47 | zs | trash: so where it is now, is it possible to get is somehow? |
| 18:03.52 | mavhc | linux: for people afraid of mice |
| 18:04.02 | trash | zs: No idea, sorry. |
| 18:05.51 | johnx | zs, out of curiosity, is there a reason you're still using bora? |
| 18:07.44 | zs | johnx: i got nokia 770, what should i use instead? ;) |
| 18:07.54 | johnx | good point |
| 18:08.23 | johnx | some people honestly don't know there are software upgrades for the n800, for example. i was just checking :) |
| 18:09.33 | johnx | zs, try apt-cache search hello world |
| 18:09.33 | johnx | see if it's available that way |
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| 18:10.20 | melmoth | zs may be http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Getting_Started/index.html ? |
| 18:10.39 | melmoth | i do not know if it works for bora too, but it should for the hello world example |
| 18:11.25 | zs | ok thanks i will try :) |
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| 18:33.30 | sin18 | does anyone know where i can get xmame (for nokia n800 - diablo) from .. on maemo site, the file available is 'xmame.install' and cannot be installed |
| 18:35.20 | johnx | sin18, maybe try grabbing the package directly from the chinook extras-devel repository |
| 18:35.36 | johnx | the base of the URL is contained inside the .install file |
| 18:39.09 | sin18 | johnx : thanks |
| 18:40.42 | johnx | Stskeeps, there's the interesting bit. I'm getting a semi-consistent kernel oops from cx3110x |
| 18:42.03 | suihkulokki | johnx: tried the stlc45xx driver yet? |
| 18:42.23 | woglinde | suihkulokki runs only with .27-pre |
| 18:42.34 | woglinde | or you backported it the last days |
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| 19:08.35 | timeless | where is openismus? |
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| 19:12.57 | timeless | ah yes, the wonders of berlin, where 22 can be across from 88 |
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| 19:17.18 | rm_you | is @ openismus party |
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| 19:19.28 | timeless | too |
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| 19:25.06 | RST38h | rm_you: Have all 200+ people shown up? |
| 19:25.20 | timely | Hello world |
| 19:25.41 | rm_you | lol no |
| 19:25.51 | RST38h | good for openismus... |
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| 19:48.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: i made a new compile recently for the new apt based one |
| 19:48.58 | johnx | want me to test it |
| 19:48.59 | johnx | ? |
| 19:49.02 | Stskeeps | sure, find it in trac.tspre.org/deblet |
| 19:49.04 | johnx | I'm about to head to sleep so it will give my tablet something to do :) |
| 19:49.21 | Stskeeps | (cx3110x-module) |
| 19:49.41 | johnx | aaah, I see what you're talking about :) |
| 19:49.54 | johnx | I thought you meant a whole new deblet installer for a sec |
| 19:50.56 | johnx | I'll install it now and give it a thorough beating tomorrow :) |
| 19:51.05 | johnx | 'night |
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| 20:14.25 | sp3000 | timely, https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi "Connectivity: For connectivity problems (phone, bluetooth, wifi)" doesn't say it's where location foo is hidden |
| 20:16.15 | sp3000 | takes it "party" == "fixing bugzilla component descriptions" ...what could be more fun! :) |
| 20:20.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:23.01 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, probably more productive to just file a bug. |
| 20:23.08 | sp3000 | yeah, doing that |
| 20:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's andre/guenther's domain these days, anyway. |
| 20:23.33 | sp3000 | well, filing bugs on irc is very efficient provided someone fixes it live ;) |
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| 20:29.50 | sodabot | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3733 - Connectivity doesn't hint that it's where Location Framework is |
| 20:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | lol? |
| 20:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | jott's got a real bugbot on the way. |
| 20:32.50 | sp3000 | \o/ |
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| 21:58.16 | crashanddie | ~lart me |
| 21:58.16 | infobot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps crashanddie |
| 21:58.56 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:59.07 | Proteous | ~larp me |
| 21:59.14 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:59.21 | Blafasel | Hey. How's the party going? |
| 21:59.27 | Proteous | raging |
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| 23:22.35 | lcuk | hi guys |
| 23:22.46 | Fatal | lo! |
| 23:22.58 | lcuk | its not that funny |
| 23:23.29 | lcuk | loäl i am drunk :L |
| 23:23.58 | lcuk | whos around |
| 23:25.16 | nomis | waves |
| 23:25.26 | lcuk | hi nomis |
| 23:25.32 | lcuk | how is the party |
| 23:25.52 | nomis | ah, no longer at the party actually. |
| 23:26.18 | lcuk | yer i needed more than pizza |
| 23:28.02 | lcuk | its been a great summit |
| 23:28.24 | nomis | indeed. |
| 23:29.09 | lcuk | i wanna wake up in the morning and go to more sessions |
| 23:29.14 | nomis | :) |
| 23:30.11 | lcuk | meeting up with everyone has been amazing |
| 23:30.11 | lcuk | "connecting people" :) |
| 23:30.15 | nomis | heh :) |
| 23:32.00 | lcuk | i was shitscared before yesterday, now i am simply scared - thankfully i didnt screw up 3 presentations |
| 23:36.28 | crashanddie | lcuk, so it's all finished? |
| 23:36.35 | lcuk | yer |
| 23:36.36 | nomis | yeah |
| 23:36.46 | lcuk | :( |
| 23:36.49 | crashanddie | damnit |
| 23:36.59 | crashanddie | it's pretty short when you think of it |
| 23:37.05 | lcuk | but i can test out some networking code this week |
| 23:37.18 | lcuk | all that prep |
| 23:37.19 | crashanddie | you heading back home tomorrow? |
| 23:38.00 | lcuk | in the evening i am siteseeing (and taking notes) tommorow |
| 23:38.27 | crashanddie | nice |
| 23:38.32 | crashanddie | lucky bastard |
| 23:38.43 | lcuk | i was on the train earlier and i had no nokia and i felt naked |
| 23:38.53 | lcuk | i had no pen or tablet |
| 23:39.09 | crashanddie | Your n810 died completely? |
| 23:39.13 | lcuk | they were charging up |
| 23:39.21 | crashanddie | they? |
| 23:39.26 | lcuk | it felt wrong for menot to have it |
| 23:39.31 | lcuk | yes, they |
| 23:39.45 | crashanddie | they as in... my n810s ? |
| 23:39.51 | lcuk | i am on a finnish tablet now :) |
| 23:39.52 | crashanddie | well, your |
| 23:40.06 | crashanddie | you lucky sob |
| 23:40.15 | lcuk | kb is a bit wrong but its great |
| 23:40.20 | lcuk | heh |
| 23:40.25 | crashanddie | wimax edition? |
| 23:40.36 | lcuk | no |
| 23:40.43 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 23:40.44 | crashanddie | ok |
| 23:40.46 | lcuk | i dont have wimax around me |
| 23:40.48 | crashanddie | I forgive you then |
| 23:41.21 | lcuk | and the nokian who it was commondeered from happened to have a standard one |
| 23:41.52 | lcuk | it was fuuny, its been an amazing few days and over too quickly |
| 23:41.56 | crashanddie | wait |
| 23:42.12 | lcuk | so now i am sat in hotel bar |
| 23:42.26 | crashanddie | they went "hey, Lars, gary needs a new n810, give him yours" "but, you mean... what?" "give him your n810" |
| 23:42.33 | crashanddie | ? |
| 23:42.37 | lcuk | yer |
| 23:42.40 | lcuk | :) |
| 23:42.41 | crashanddie | hahahahahaha |
| 23:42.42 | crashanddie | epic |
| 23:42.47 | crashanddie | poor guy |
| 23:42.47 | lcuk | classic |
| 23:43.06 | lcuk | heh its ok he can get a new one tommorow |
| 23:43.23 | lcuk | have a cig with me |
| 23:43.24 | crashanddie | Yeah, but still |
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| 23:43.34 | crashanddie | sure, lemme light up |
| 23:43.55 | Fatal | "your choice, tomorrow, go fetch a new n810 or a job" |
| 23:43.56 | lcuk | ok i am in the street |
| 23:44.06 | lcuk | heh lol |
| 23:44.32 | lcuk | the screen on my original one is really bad comparred to this |
| 23:44.33 | crashanddie | lcuk, dunno if you read your emails |
| 23:44.44 | crashanddie | lcuk, did you see the news about the open source wifi driver? |
| 23:45.00 | lcuk | i put my memory card in and it works |
| 23:45.17 | lcuk | ummmm i know nits open now and thats great news |
| 23:45.23 | lcuk | -n |
| 23:45.34 | crashanddie | yeah, there's still a lot of work to do |
| 23:45.43 | crashanddie | but it appears to be quite terrific |
| 23:45.50 | lcuk | yer loads |
| 23:45.59 | aspect | how does the 770 compare to the n800? if I'm looking to get a cheap one as a secondary tablet what do I need to be aware of in deciding how much to be willing to pay? |
| 23:46.00 | crashanddie | They day injection works |
| 23:46.06 | lcuk | uööö pm me |
| 23:46.52 | crashanddie | They day injection works, is the day I release a deb for jasager, and karmetasploit |
| 23:47.07 | lcuk | hhe |
| 23:47.26 | lcuk | hang on need more cigs |
| 23:49.14 | lcuk | damn gotta go over the road i cant do that now ill wait |
| 23:49.17 | lcuk | pm me |
| 23:49.59 | crashanddie | I did |
| 23:50.16 | crashanddie | ah, no, I forgot to send something... :D I opened the window, but forgot to write xD |